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| djszapi | How can I tell to my vim on N900 to read my /etc/vimrc ? | 00:12 |
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| nox- | dunno but you can use a ~/.vimrc | 00:14 |
| djszapi | I know, but my question was different | 00:14 |
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| nox- | ok :) | 00:14 |
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| BCMM | ln -s /etc/vimrc ~/.vimrc? | 00:16 |
| nox- | or that | 00:16 |
| djszapi | after your ~/.vimrc gets broken you will be in a big trouble and spend days with debugging... | 00:17 |
| alterego | Might implement waypoint uploading via bluetooth and TCP in my app for version 2 .. | 00:17 |
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| ieatlint | unless i'm mistaken, /etc/vimrc isn't a standard search path for any system-wide vimrc file | 00:19 |
| djszapi | it is | 00:19 |
| ieatlint | /usr/share/vim/vimrc is the default | 00:19 |
| ieatlint | others i believe are modified by specific distributions | 00:19 |
| djszapi | it is wiser to try out on desktop before saying... | 00:19 |
| ieatlint | before say... ? | 00:20 |
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| djszapi | y | 00:22 |
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| ieatlint | if you run ":version" in vim, it will report "system vimrc file: "path"" | 00:22 |
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| ieatlint | woo... 3min and docs | 00:23 |
| djszapi | I doubt | 00:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer | man vim; /files *cough* | 00:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | took me 8 seconds | 00:52 |
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| pupnik | happy 5 years of 800x480 handheld linux! http://www.gsmarena.com/nokia_770_internet_tablet_with_linux-news-124.php | 00:56 |
| pupnik | well 5.9 years or whatever | 00:57 |
| pupnik | 5.6 | 00:57 |
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| pupnik | we completely missed this Linux handheld - | 01:09 |
| pupnik | 2009 - sharp's palmtop http://www.linuxfordevices.com/c/a/News/Sharp-NetWalker-PCZ1-Mobile-Internet-Tool/ | 01:09 |
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| pupnik | http://www.pulster.de/index.htm?sharp_sharp_netwalker.htm | 01:12 |
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| ds3 | the return of the Z? | 01:14 |
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| crashanddie_ | pupnik: "we" is pretty large. I knew about it. | 01:41 |
| Zushi | good night everyone | 01:41 |
| Zushi | i have a question related to my n900 | 01:42 |
| crashanddie_ | ~ask | 01:42 |
| infobot | Questions in the channel should be specific, informative, complete, concise, and on-topic. Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Don't ask if a person is there; just ask what you intended to ask them. Better questions more frequently yield better answers. We are all here voluntarily or against our will. | 01:42 |
| pupnik | ~answer | 01:43 |
| infobot | 42 | 01:43 |
| pupnik | stupid bot | 01:43 |
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| Zushi | anyone anxious to read about :?) | 01:44 |
| pupnik | ask or frage doch | 01:44 |
| crashanddie_ | Zushi: in case you didn't understand what infobot said: just ask the bloody question already. | 01:45 |
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| * javispedro ponders why he just had to write the equivalent of "if (is_device_shut_down()) dont_fsckingly_try_to_wait_for_it_to_answer();" on the linux radeon driver | 01:47 | |
| pupnik | well this is interesting, there's a revival of the 1906 'pulse jet' to make it go to mach 4 | 01:47 |
| pupnik | javispedro: i was momentarily stunned by if (is_device_shut_down() | 01:48 |
| pupnik | 'how would it execute?' :) | 01:48 |
| pupnik | javispedro: for your personal machine? | 01:48 |
| javispedro | yep | 01:48 |
| javispedro | I just had a stupid moment where the damn machine wouldn't shut down because it was waiting for the secondary video card to answer. a card which was of course off. | 01:49 |
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| javispedro | of course, this eventually caused me to hard shut it down... in front of an audience. dammit. | 01:49 |
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| pupnik | ow | 01:55 |
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| pupnik | i had an ati driver problem in front of an audience, come to think of it | 01:56 |
| pupnik | at linuxtag of all things | 01:56 |
| pupnik | so what happened with you javispedro | 01:56 |
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| javispedro | just had to long press power button while forced-smiling :) | 01:58 |
| Zushi | ... i did the 1.3 (8mb or so) maemo-update a week ago thrugh the program mannager and after or before -iam not entirely shure - a kernel-update ... n900 was running fine and a lot of smoother as bofore -as i was hoping for ...stupid trackerd or related processes - and then there was another kernel update some days later and the programmannager told me it cant be used becaouse dependencis or something and then while it tried to | 01:59 |
| Zushi | go back to the overview of availuable updates wich was taking SOME time i honestly fell asleep and the next time i looked at my n900 i saw the u-boot bootscreen but without backlite and since then a have this magic reboot loop ... i have hundrets of unsaved pictures,videos and textfiles on mydocs(27gb internal) please what should i do :?) | 01:59 |
| javispedro | go to talk.maemo.org and see latests posts | 01:59 |
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| crashanddie_ | Zushi: just reflash | 02:00 |
| crashanddie_ | Zushi: mydocs won't be touched | 02:00 |
| javispedro | there's actually no need to reflash afaik, just either remove the mmc or write run noloboot | 02:01 |
| javispedro | but check tmo because it's all plastered over there. | 02:02 |
| javispedro | s/mmc/sd | 02:02 |
| Zushi | what is tmo | 02:02 |
| javispedro | talk.maemo.org | 02:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Zushi: you had powerkernel and probably multiboot nstalled | 02:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | this second update after 1.3 gave you new powerkernel that comes with uBoot | 02:11 |
| nox- | oh powerkernel comes with uboot now? | 02:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | alas multiboot is rather picky about how to update kernels. Or you had no multiboot installed and powerkernel update simply went bonkers | 02:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer | whatever, reflash COMBINED aka fiasco aka kernel+rotfs is your best chance to fix it | 02:13 |
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| mveplus | can someone check if this working? http://maemo.org/development/ | 02:21 |
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| mveplus | talk.maemo.org is OK but can not open development | 02:22 |
| BugBlue | can't connect | 02:22 |
| mveplus | thanks | 02:22 |
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| APTX | http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/maemo.org :( | 02:23 |
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| SpeedEvil | And of course - http://paypalus500dollarsanditllbedownforeveryone.com/maemo.org | 02:24 |
| SpeedEvil | Though it looks like someones used that. | 02:25 |
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| Zushi | this combined aka fiasco aka kernel+rootfs you mean is it an imagefile -can you tell what filename/briefdiscription ithas? | 02:27 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | ~flashing | 02:28 |
| infobot | well, flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 02:28 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | has details | 02:28 |
| BCMM | is there anything special about the N900's USB cable, or will any USB-A to MicroUSB-B cable do for H-E-N stuff? | 02:29 |
| SpeedEvil | nothing special | 02:29 |
| SpeedEvil | it's just a micro-b to A | 02:29 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | absolutely standard | 02:29 |
| SpeedEvil | Oh - it has 'nokia' printed on it. | 02:29 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | hehe | 02:29 |
| SpeedEvil | And a little clip! | 02:29 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | a cooool clip | 02:29 |
| javispedro | the usb logo! a symbol of the devil! | 02:30 |
| BCMM | and has anyone seen a USB A female to microUSB B male cable? i've only found adaptors online | 02:30 |
| BCMM | (it would be the neatest solution, in terms of not carrying too much stuff about) | 02:30 |
| SpeedEvil | ebay! | 02:30 |
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| SpeedEvil | Though actually -no, not seen one on ebay. | 02:30 |
| SpeedEvil | I've seen one. | 02:30 |
| SpeedEvil | But it had duct tape in the middle. | 02:30 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | check | 02:30 |
| Zushi | javispedro sayd "run noloboot" ... (removing the microsd did nothing ithink) how do i run noloboot? do i enter "run noloboot" ? i am a linux/commandline noob ... | 02:31 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | ~hostmode | 02:31 |
| infobot | i heard hostmode is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=869527#post869527 | 02:31 |
| BCMM | i mean, only found stuff like http://www.overstock.com/Electronics/Eforcity-USB-2.0-A-to-Micro-B-Female-Male-Adaptor/4488837/product.html?cid=133635 which i reckon looks like a nice way to break my port | 02:31 |
| SpeedEvil | yes. | 02:31 |
| SpeedEvil | stick-out-adaptors are insane. | 02:31 |
| BCMM | i mean the weight of a USB stick is probably OK, but it would be a nice lever if anything stupid happened | 02:31 |
| javispedro | Zushi: if you removed the microsd and it did nothing then I guess reflashing the combined image is your only option as DocScrutinizer-8 said | 02:31 |
| BCMM | hmm, i've found micro b male to micro b male cables | 02:32 |
| javispedro | Zushi: you will lose all installed applications, but hopefully not anything extra. | 02:32 |
| BCMM | which, combined with an adaptor, would probably be the second-smallest solution | 02:32 |
| BCMM | oh no wait one end of that is mini... | 02:33 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | BCMM: please check the hostmode threads | 02:33 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | there's a lot of nice adapters linked there | 02:33 |
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| BCMM | DocScrutinizer-8: it's in the two remaining pages i haven't read and i look like an idiot now, right? | 02:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | BCMM: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=877938&postcount=400 | 02:35 |
| BCMM | oh my more pages have happened since i started reading this... | 02:35 |
| BCMM | DocScrutinizer: i'm sorry, you must be really fed up of people asking stuff that's already answered in the thread by now | 02:36 |
| ds3 | hmmm they got power working on hostmode? | 02:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah | 02:36 |
| BCMM | i think i skipped over that one because i feel a bit vague about what OTG is and assumed it was wired differently | 02:36 |
| javispedro | ds3: "they"? DocScrutinizer is on this channel ;) | 02:36 |
| ds3 | they as in the gods | 02:36 |
| BCMM | or something | 02:36 |
| ds3 | was expecting to have to do power injection sort of like on the 770 | 02:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | ds3: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=649339#post649339 | 02:37 |
| mveplus | ds3: I'm waiting to that option for my ext.HDD to come | 02:37 |
| mveplus | in next updat :) | 02:38 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ds3: hostmode team for sure is a bunch cute guys, but at least I myslef don't think I'm a God :-P | 02:41 |
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| ds3 | DocScrutinizer: I would disagree with that comment... at least one of them is not a guy :P | 02:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | ack, Sarah had done a great part on the early pushing | 02:42 |
| BCMM | so are N810 OTG cables "special", or are they just normal cables? | 02:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | BCMM: also normal cables, if you really speak of OTG cables | 02:42 |
| BCMM | DocScrutinizer: well, i speak of ebay, so the description is probably wrong :) | 02:43 |
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| BCMM | http://cgi.ebay.com/Micro-USB-Host-Cable-for-Nokia-N810-OTG-on-the-go-N-810_W0QQitemZ260696657151QQcategoryZ20336QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp4340.m263QQ_trkparmsZalgo=SIC&its=I%252BC&itu=UCI%252BIA%252BUA%252BFICS%252BUFI&otn=10&pmod=260685452815&ps=63&clkid=5143855283775190161 | 02:43 |
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| BCMM | woah, that was more text than i was expecting, sorry | 02:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=878174&postcount=402 | 02:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | or what else are you taling about? | 02:44 |
| BCMM | ok, i fail reading comprehension again, sorry | 02:45 |
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| BCMM | the first time round i didn't quite realise that the n810 can take a and b | 02:45 |
| BCMM | so i thought that thing was mis-described, since that is clearly a B plug | 02:45 |
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| DocScrutinizer | yep, a rather special and nice cable. As mentioned in #402 | 02:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | a proper OTG cable would need a micro-A plug | 02:47 |
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| Zushi | javispedro: HOPEFULLY not anything extra ? do you mean with extra the mydocs(27gb internal) or what (do you know where the dcim folder is located)? and what do you mean with hopefully | 02:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | dcim is on mydocs | 02:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | with hopefully he probably meant we all hope you don't suffer from corruption of that filesystem | 02:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | which is rather unlikely | 02:49 |
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| javispedro | or some application storing data on a place it shouldn't, which is also unlikely so far. | 02:49 |
| * BCMM rages at ebay | 02:49 | |
| BCMM | micro and mini aren't the same thing, bad ebay seller | 02:50 |
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| Zushi | thats nice of you all realy :) | 02:52 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Zushi: as a rule of thumb, a reflash of rootfs only will delete very few very special data that is stored in /etc and the like, and it will delete programs installed to /bin or /local/bin etc. You get all this back later when reinstalling those programs - the particular settings e.g for email, IM accounts, game highscores and whatnot are all stored in your homedir which isn't touched by a normal fiasco flashing | 02:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ok, your desktop settings are also stored in /etc, at least parts of that - afaik | 02:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | restoring using backup app recovers all of that as well | 02:59 |
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| Zushi | wich image should i best use for reflashing (filename/briefdiscription) ? is there a specific way i should do it (a specific order) ? can you tell me what i have to | 03:02 |
| SpeedEvil | ~flashing | 03:03 |
| infobot | from memory, flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 03:03 |
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| Zushi | combined image ... is it the 200174197 PR 1.3 version 20.2010.36-2 Latest Maemo 5 Global release for Nokia N900 or 171005621 PR 1.1.1 version 3.2010.02-8 Third Maemo 5 Global release for Nokia N900 ? ... both are labeld "combined" and "global" ... but only this 1.3 says "latest" ... | 03:11 |
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| satmd | chose the latest for your region | 03:12 |
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| satmd | unless there's a version HIGHER than that | 03:12 |
| satmd | in which case you really should complain | 03:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer-8 | Zucca: admittedly the info on wiki page infobot gave above is a bit confusing. But it really has all the needed info. Also about the right files to download for PR1.3 | 03:23 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | WTF | 03:23 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | is this a +q, a /kick, or just a MEH | 03:24 |
| javispedro | the what? | 03:25 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | away msg | 03:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer-8 | Zucca: | 03:25 |
| BCMM | uh, i can't see anything | 03:26 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | weird | 03:26 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | Zucca: what's that away msg? | 03:26 |
| BCMM | does he send it as a PM? | 03:27 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | [02:23] -Zucca- Sorry. I'm away. Since: 2010/11/23 2:27:14 Reason: "Away - Sleep" | 03:27 |
| BCMM | Zucca: sorry, i'm curious now | 03:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah, PM | 03:28 |
| BCMM | that wasn't a pm | 03:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | so what else was it then? | 03:28 |
| BCMM | well, it started with [Notice] for me, and was formatted like those announcements you see when joining a channel, rather than like a /query | 03:29 |
| BCMM | i don't know what that means in this client | 03:29 |
| BCMM | y'know, assuming he hasn't work out how to send server messages to random people | 03:30 |
| javispedro | I saw nothing | 03:30 |
| BCMM | javispedro: that's because it's only to the person who highlighted him | 03:30 |
| nox- | DocScrutinizer, i gues you meant Zushi not Zucca ? | 03:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | oh yes, ooops. ETAB | 03:31 |
| BCMM | that could be how my client formats a CTCP PM | 03:32 |
| BCMM | someone send me one? | 03:32 |
| BCMM | i maybe be making stuff up, but what i was trying to say was, "was that a rarely-used bit of CTCP?" | 03:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | nox-: thanks :-D | 03:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | BCMM: probably | 03:34 |
| nox- | *nod* | 03:34 |
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| BCMM | ah. turns out i just didn't know the /notice command, largely because i'm not a bot | 03:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | hah | 03:38 |
| BCMM | now i really don't know why both that and /msg need to exist | 03:40 |
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| -javispedro- I think, therefore I am | 03:41 | |
| nox- | :) | 03:41 |
| javispedro | ... potentially abusable stuff. | 03:41 |
| BCMM | ok, why can you do it to a channel? | 03:41 |
| BCMM | well yeah, that's hella abusable | 03:41 |
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| BCMM | since most users will've only received those from services before | 03:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | one thing's for sure: Zucca has a weird irc-client | 03:42 |
| BCMM | (it annoys me that /msg nickserv help doesn't open a new tab, but i guess it's a good thing that just identifying doesn't) | 03:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | (-setup) | 03:43 |
| BCMM | (since most people still insist on identifying by messaging nickserv every time) | 03:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | BCMM: use /query nickserv instead ;-D | 03:43 |
| nox- | DocScrutinizer, he's not the first one ive seen doing it tho | 03:44 |
| BCMM | DocScrutinizer: and cause the useless tab to be openned half a second earlier? | 03:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | <BCMM> (it annoys me that /msg nickserv help doesn't open a new tab | 03:44 |
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| BCMM | indeed | 03:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | /query does | 03:45 |
| BCMM | i mean, when i do it without thinking, not expecting it to mingle with the channel i'm reading | 03:45 |
| BCMM | i need to find a manual of "stuff IRC does" somewhere | 03:46 |
| BCMM | i've been here too long to still be discovering perfectly normal commands | 03:46 |
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| javispedro | too much. we should all have standarized on jabber muc | 03:47 |
| BCMM | but i like netsplits. | 03:47 |
| nox- | hahaha | 03:47 |
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| * DocScrutinizer considers a /wall :-P | 03:48 | |
| BCMM | javispedro: who should've, when? | 03:48 |
| BCMM | DocScrutinizer: does that work a bit like wall(1)? | 03:49 |
| BCMM | javispedro: by which i mean, IRC is much, much older | 03:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | umm, yes. IIRC. On xchat | 03:49 |
| javispedro | BCMM: From my POV there has been a resurgence in later years | 03:49 |
| nox- | yeah irc is much older than http | 03:50 |
| nox- | and before irc, there was its `cousin' on bitnet that i forgot the name of | 03:51 |
| BCMM | we'd all be better off without HTTP | 03:51 |
| * BCMM ducks | 03:51 | |
| BCMM | by which i mean we would still have IRC, but we wouldn't have Facebook | 03:51 |
| BCMM | DocScrutinizer: huh. i can't find any reference to wall online - i find references to building xchat with -Wall first... | 03:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | maybe it's been /amsg | 03:52 |
| nox- | and i agree with BCMM that irc > facebook too :) | 03:52 |
| BCMM | the web as it currently exists is a giant step backwards, in that the content creator rather than the reader has most of the control over the presentation | 03:53 |
| BCMM | also, it has facebook. | 03:53 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | xchat /help >user defined cmds | 03:54 |
| johndo | DocScrutinizer: it's /wall, but I guess you need some oper perms for that ;) | 03:54 |
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| johndo | and if I remember correctly you can configure xchat to send such away PMs | 03:54 |
| BCMM | xchat can probably be configured to execute arbitrary commands when someone highlights you | 03:55 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | it's /amsg | 03:55 |
| * johndo shuts up :) | 03:56 | |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | like /amsg morning %channel | 03:56 |
| johndo | oh, then it's not what I meant, afaik /wall is to send a message to all users on a server ;) | 03:57 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | nice way to make people angry | 03:57 |
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| javispedro | a PM to EVERY user?? | 03:57 |
| johndo | (on all channels) | 03:57 |
| javispedro | uhuh | 03:57 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | javispedro: needs oper | 03:58 |
| johndo | that's why you need to be oper | 03:58 |
| javispedro | and oper > op I guess | 03:58 |
| BCMM | how is that different from a wallop? | 03:58 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | amsg just sends to all channels you're in | 03:58 |
| BCMM | that isn't what i meant to say... | 03:58 |
| psycho_oreos | oper can send wallops, ops can't.. oper are known as network operators, ops are known as channel operators | 03:59 |
| johndo | evil enough :D | 03:59 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | op is chanop | 03:59 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | oper is errrr... frenode admin | 03:59 |
| psycho_oreos | freenode staff in general | 03:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer-8 | that friggin cmd list on xchat /help makes me frown | 04:01 |
| johndo | xchat is a mirc clone :P | 04:01 |
| psycho_oreos | and you're an idiot if you proudly declare that | 04:02 |
| johndo | proudly? | 04:02 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | and the 'help' from menu isn't exactly great nor structured | 04:03 |
| psycho_oreos | xchat is nowhere a clone of mirc, it doesn't even support mirc scripting | 04:03 |
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| lolloo | Does xchat work on meego? | 04:18 |
| pupnik | gtk | 04:20 |
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| pupnik | get it lolloo ? | 04:22 |
| lolloo | no sorry I dont pupnik | 04:22 |
| lolloo | what does it mean? | 04:23 |
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| lolloo | hey pupnik, I found this http://blog.beford.org/ | 04:24 |
| pupnik | ok | 04:24 |
| psycho_oreos | asked the same question in the meego support channel | 04:25 |
| psycho_oreos | didn't exactly find :p | 04:25 |
| pupnik | lolloo: it means xchat isn't integrated into the meego experience at all | 04:26 |
| lolloo | awesome pupnik, thanks. | 04:26 |
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| lolloo | gtk shortcut for? | 04:27 |
| psycho_oreos | gtk is a framework | 04:27 |
| psycho_oreos | iirc | 04:27 |
| lolloo | oh | 04:27 |
| lolloo | I feel noobish. | 04:27 |
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| digitalstimulus | does anyone know if ffmpeg encoder is available for n810 maemo? | 04:28 |
| psycho_oreos | http://www.gtk.org/ | 04:28 |
| pupnik | gtk provides the buttons, scrolling windows and point-and-click functionality | 04:28 |
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| nox- | lolloo, gtk was basically the result of license problems with qt (that are now solved) | 04:30 |
| * GAN900 just got an iOS software job offer. | 04:31 | |
| lolloo | awesome | 04:31 |
| lolloo | touche! | 04:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | Also: more new photos http://www.flickr.com/photos/generalantilles/ | 04:35 |
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| DocScrutinizer-8 | GAN900: just got a java coding offer. From a company hyping Xtreme Progamming | 04:42 |
| SpeedEvil | Wow! | 04:44 |
| SpeedEvil | It must be cool! | 04:44 |
| SpeedEvil | It has an X in the name | 04:44 |
| SpeedEvil | I think they missed a trick not calling it Xtreme!!!!!!! programming. | 04:44 |
| BCMM | clearly, they do X11 programming | 04:46 |
| BCMM | in java. | 04:46 |
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| johnx | DocScrutinizer-8, don't knock it. it takes a programmer with really good concentration while jumping over 3 school buses on fire...wait, that's not what you meant? | 04:48 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | if both applies to that job, java AND XP, then yes that's exactly what they need | 04:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer-8 | xp means extreme discipline to reduce to the bare minimum needed for the task | 04:52 |
| BCMM | nox-: worse: Linux was basically the result of license problems with BSD (that are now solved) | 04:53 |
| BCMM | oh, he's gone | 04:53 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | haha | 04:54 |
| BCMM | it's more-or-less true... | 04:54 |
| BCMM | doesn't matter now | 04:54 |
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| DocScrutinizer-8 | yes | 04:54 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | I started considering unix when bsd became available for some k$ | 04:55 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | then I thought MEH and looked into minix | 04:56 |
| BCMM | "In short, XFree86 is the premier open source X11-based desktop infrastructure." | 04:58 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | which was extremely bare bones and iirc refused to work on the Amiga moto CPU which had no MMU | 04:58 |
| BCMM | i know that's way offtopic (found while looking up what that X licensing thing was all about) | 04:58 |
| BCMM | but it's funny, since that is from the xf86 website, NOW | 04:59 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | they meant "the first" | 05:00 |
| BCMM | hmm | 05:03 |
| BCMM | is that a valid usage in modern english? | 05:03 |
| BCMM | also, pretty sure it wasn't | 05:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer-8 | NFC. I practice pidgin since school | 05:04 |
| BCMM_ | i hear too much french to judge... | 05:08 |
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| pupnik | wish i could read and listen to audio at once without blurring one or the other | 05:11 |
| BCMM_ | "it sucks that i have multiple senses, but only one language center in my brain" | 05:13 |
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| BCMM_ | the problem is that the n900 has both an fm tuner and a web browser | 05:14 |
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| pupnik | wish it had a compass | 05:17 |
| BCMM_ | live somewhere less cloudy. | 05:19 |
| BCMM_ | (during daytime only) | 05:19 |
| Choom | not exactly the same as a compass | 05:19 |
| BCMM_ | yeah, it would be sort of neat | 05:19 |
| BCMM_ | i wonder how big a compass is? | 05:20 |
| Choom | a compass along with the accelerometer would allow people to do pretty neat things with prboom, for example | 05:20 |
| BCMM_ | i'm not sure i follow you | 05:20 |
| Choom | control an FPS by moving your cell phone around | 05:21 |
| BCMM_ | use the compass to work out rotational acceleration? | 05:21 |
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| Choom | yes | 05:21 |
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| BCMM_ | talking of rotation, anyone else got that 3d "earth" app? | 05:22 |
| SpeedEvil | Compass + accelerometer gives you absolute orientation. | 05:23 |
| SpeedEvil | (well - sortof) | 05:23 |
| SpeedEvil | Accel only gives you which direction 'down' is in | 05:23 |
| SpeedEvil | sort-of | 05:24 |
| BCMM_ | has anyone ever used dead reckoning to improve gps? | 05:24 |
| SpeedEvil | Yes. | 05:24 |
| pupnik | there's an iphone game where you look around the game by rotating the device, and you can rotate 360 and arrive at the same view | 05:24 |
| BCMM_ | i mean, in the very short term, it's more accurate | 05:24 |
| BCMM_ | SpeedEvil: is it feasible on the n900, with no real orientation information? | 05:24 |
| SpeedEvil | You basically can't do it with the accel, unless you know something about the environment. | 05:24 |
| SpeedEvil | For example - if you know the n900 is strapped into a car-mount | 05:25 |
| SpeedEvil | That gives you a good idea of what lateral accelleration 'means' | 05:25 |
| SpeedEvil | otherwise, you have no clue, because the orientation of the phone can vary | 05:25 |
| pupnik | amazing miniturization. | 05:25 |
| BCMM_ | you mean, if you know where "forwards" is? | 05:25 |
| SpeedEvil | yes | 05:25 |
| SpeedEvil | sort-of | 05:25 |
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| BCMM_ | yeah, i figured that | 05:26 |
| SpeedEvil | In a car, you also know about the kinematics | 05:26 |
| Choom | can also do it with the camera | 05:26 |
| pupnik | you'll always get drift with just accelometers | 05:26 |
| Choom | by tracking the environment around the player | 05:26 |
| SpeedEvil | For example - that any lateral acceleration is precisely correlated with turning. | 05:26 |
| Choom | but that's a little too complex to implement | 05:26 |
| SpeedEvil | And that gives you course. | 05:26 |
| SpeedEvil | (unless drifting) | 05:27 |
| BCMM_ | does the gps subsystem use some sort of blind dead-reckoning to smooth stuff out? | 05:27 |
| SpeedEvil | No | 05:27 |
| SpeedEvil | Well - sort-of-implicit | 05:27 |
| SpeedEvil | It uses a kalman filter or similar which the psuedoranges to the satellites and the current motion vector is fed to | 05:27 |
| BCMM_ | i'm almost sure i've seen the positoon on the map "overshoot" a turning slightly, then correct itself | 05:27 |
| SpeedEvil | It's not as simple as explicit dead-reckoning. | 05:28 |
| SpeedEvil | It's weighting the current course over the poor signals it's recieving from the antennas. | 05:28 |
| BCMM_ | that is sort-of what i meant | 05:29 |
| SpeedEvil | Once the GPS signal becomes clearly different from the esitmated position, it will correct | 05:29 |
| SpeedEvil | http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Accuracy | 05:29 |
| SpeedEvil | may be of use | 05:29 |
| BCMM_ | i mean, it does, under some circumstances, guess that you're still moving? | 05:29 |
| SpeedEvil | yes | 05:29 |
| SpeedEvil | Well - no. | 05:29 |
| BCMM_ | ? | 05:30 |
| SpeedEvil | It's not as defined typically as a guess - yes or no. | 05:30 |
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| SpeedEvil | It's weighting different inputs to different ways - it's rarely as binary as yes/no | 05:30 |
| BCMM_ | yeah, i didn't mean that | 05:31 |
| SpeedEvil | Sorry - I'm probably overthinking this - it's closing on 4AM | 05:32 |
| SpeedEvil | And I should probably go to sleep. | 05:32 |
| BCMM_ | i am in the same timezone... | 05:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer-8 | lateral acceleration is worthless for detecting turns. you can't distinguish it from slight tilts of the device (plus car) | 05:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer | a compass chip is really small, but not exactly a plug&play add-on for N900 | 05:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | also don't expect too pleasant results from a compass, more often than you might think the magnetic field of earth is massively disturbed by magnets or steel in a few meters distance | 05:47 |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: yes you can - for most roads, they are pretty level. | 05:48 |
| SpeedEvil | There are issues, eys | 05:48 |
| SpeedEvil | It's about the only place where you can meaningfully use the accel for positioning - over a period of several seconds | 05:49 |
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| pupnik | http://www.micron.com/products/flcos_microdisplays/lcos_history/1973_1983_DV.html | 06:04 |
| pupnik | The world's first liquid-crystal-on-silicon (LCOS) device was built in 1973 by a team at Hughes Aircraft. By 1981, teams at Toshiba and at Suwa Seikosha (now known as Seiko Epson) were developing direct-view LCOS televisions. | 06:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ~moo | 07:35 |
| * infobot mooooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I am cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass | 07:35 | |
| johnx | <_< | 07:38 |
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| vivekg | Hi I am having a strange problem with my n900. its in production mode(cleared RD mode). but whenever i m putting the battery in the device, its automatically powered on... i have set the flag force-power-key but still its not working so any help ? | 08:05 |
| lucent | vivekg: not familiar with this. | 08:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer | force-power-key is ENabling this behaviour | 08:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | unset it | 08:08 |
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| vivekg | after clearing this force-power-key also my device is booting as soon as i put the battery | 08:10 |
| ds3 | does the current host mode enablement software catch the case where I plug in a charger with the hostmode enabled? | 08:11 |
| ds3 | or will it happily start a fire? | 08:11 |
| lucent | ds3: I had a charger plugged in when I enabled host mode, no fires and widget mode still works | 08:15 |
| lucent | ds3: hostmode seems to drain power and continue draining power until you reboot though | 08:16 |
| ds3 | oh | 08:16 |
| ds3 | glad I didn't try it when I was away from a charger | 08:16 |
| lucent | additionally, I do not posess the correct connectors to verify whether or not usb host mode is functional here | 08:16 |
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| ds3 | the included cable + a female to female adapter should do it | 08:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | ds3: hostmode is safe | 08:17 |
| ds3 | but what you are describing sounds like my experiences with the 770 | 08:17 |
| lucent | ds3: where to obtain female to female adapter? | 08:17 |
| ds3 | DocScrutinizer: what about less dramatic stuff like do I loose the ability to charge? | 08:18 |
| ds3 | lucent: where are you? | 08:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | you don't | 08:18 |
| lucent | USA located | 08:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | and it would be just dramatic enough if you did | 08:18 |
| lucent | I mail order just about everything | 08:19 |
| ds3 | well, things frying and self destructing a whole different class then losing a "feature" | 08:19 |
| lucent | side note, I'm also looking for USBA-M to USBA-F compact adapter with a switch to tie the data lines for high power charging | 08:19 |
| ds3 | so if I am correct, the biggest risk is leaving the charge pump running and having hostmode drain the batteries? | 08:19 |
| ds3 | lucent: do you have a big lots near you? | 08:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | lucent: actually hostmode uses battery for vbus and musb-core, but this should stop as soon as you close the h-e-n GUI window | 08:19 |
| lucent | hm, no. I mail order everything. I'm in a ski resort town a hundred miles from anything | 08:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | ds3: (risk) exactly | 08:21 |
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| lucent | and Doc, any command line voodoo to verify if it is or not? | 08:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer | what, vbus? | 08:23 |
| ds3 | DocScrutinizer: got it, think I am up to speed on it then. wasn't sure if the way the N900 is setup is electrically safe wrt to Vbus | 08:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | lucent: ? | 08:23 |
| lucent | DocScrutinizer: to verify if H-E-N UI is cleaning up after exit | 08:24 |
| lucent | I'm not sure about the specifics here, it's above what I know about the technical things | 08:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer | check ps|grep vboost I guess, for making sure VBUS got disabled | 08:25 |
| ds3 | lucent: http://www.amazon.com/Emerge-Tech-ETCABLEKIT3-Universal-Cable/dp/B00070IOK6/ref=sr_1_37?ie=UTF8&qid=1290493359&sr=8-37 | 08:25 |
| ds3 | that kit contains a F-F adapter, IIRC | 08:25 |
| lucent | slick | 08:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | ps|grep bme to make sure bme-rx51-foo got started (important for charging) | 08:25 |
| ds3 | does the stock kernel have USB mass storage drivers in place? | 08:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | if you find anything odd there, you can killall vboost (or just kill vboost process), and you can `start bme` | 08:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | ds3: sure | 08:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | passive ones | 08:26 |
| ds3 | nifty | 08:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | otherwise selecting "Mass Storage Mode" on that menu wouldn't really make sense ;-D | 08:27 |
| ds3 | now to find a suitable power user kernel | 08:27 |
| ds3 | actually, do I need a power user kernel for h-e-n? | 08:28 |
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| lucent | DocScrutinizer: no vboost in ps output, when h-e-n is running and I've selected "Low Speed hostmode" ; "VBUS boost on" | 08:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | check the name of that script then, it might be named differently | 08:35 |
| lucent | oh, it's a script, sorry. I think it is now "/opt/h-e-n/hostmod" ? | 08:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | in htop you can spot it easily, as it's a child of h-e-n GUI | 08:36 |
| lucent | my question to you was more about checking the things from a sysfs or proc interface | 08:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer | there are sysnodes called vbus iirc | 08:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | and there's /proc/driver/musb_hdrc which has a lot of info (though not exactly self explanatory) | 08:37 |
| lucent | thanks, perfect | 08:37 |
| lucent | ds3: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000BSN4UY | 08:38 |
| lucent | $5usd- | 08:38 |
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| DocScrutinizer | also a look into tail -n 50 /var/log/syslog is never a bad idea | 08:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | (given you installed syslogd, otherwise you'll need dmesg|tail -n 50) | 08:40 |
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| lucent | interesting, how to emulate 'F5' for Tree view on htop from maemo terminal? | 08:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | click the hotkey | 08:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | though ESC-5 also should work | 08:42 |
| lucent | oh! | 08:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-) | 08:43 |
| lucent | DocScrutinizer: for your reference I think the process name is "/usr/sbin/booston" | 08:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | aah yes | 08:44 |
| lucent | it's a child of /sbin/init | 08:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | o.O | 08:44 |
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| DocScrutinizer | interesting, seems I have to have a look at MohammadAG's source. He's doing a few funny things it seems | 08:45 |
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| pupnik | holy handgrenades, Batman! look how small a gps reciever is now http://www.robotshop.com/eu/sfe-12-micro-gr-10-gps.html | 08:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer | nothing extraordinary | 08:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | the problem is the antenna though | 08:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer | if they were smart they would build a patch antenna with that chip in socket | 08:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | otoh who's using patch antennae nowadays - except openmoko ;-P | 08:50 |
| lucent | an antenna from copper traces on the board it's attached to is more cost effective, no? | 08:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | mhm. Or brass stripes gold plated, like e.g. in N900 | 08:52 |
| * lucent :) | 08:53 | |
| DocScrutinizer | or just printed to plastic parts, like there: http://www.engadget.com/photos/nokias-qwerty-slidin-n9-shows-up-in-the-wilds-of-china/#3277333 | 08:53 |
| lucent | next hunt for me is a data-tie switch for USB-A | 08:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | HAHAHA am I crazy or... look at the screw hole lower right on the N9 photo linked above :-D | 08:55 |
| lucent | at the moment I have hacked apart an USB-A-M to microUSB-M data cable and tied the data lines together forming a charge cable that works always | 08:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | :nod: | 08:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer | upper right hole seems has same funny helix | 08:59 |
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| lucent | ha, yeah | 09:00 |
| lucent | wow, this is resourceful... salvage a 2-port USB connector from an old PC motherboard and wire it into a female-female adapter for host mode | 09:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | err, please reword resourceful | 09:01 |
| ds3 | Now if there was only a source for a 6inch adapter micro B to female A | 09:02 |
| lucent | DocScrutinizer: "using things I have around my tech shop" | 09:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | aah | 09:02 |
| pupnik | the keys on that will be mushy, not clicky like N900 | 09:03 |
| pupnik | oh well | 09:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | lcuk: using one with cable is even a soldering free solution. Just use paperclips to connect the pins of the connector, or jumpers when there's a number of posts on the board | 09:04 |
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| lucent | lcuk: that was for me ;) | 09:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer | oops yeah | 09:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | lcuk: sorry | 09:10 |
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| pupnik | i'd really like an 100x40 ascii terminal in one eye | 09:13 |
| lucent | http://shop.brando.com/mini-usb-to-micro-usb-adapter-w-on-off-switch_p04160c0006d001.html something like that | 09:14 |
| lucent | ...except usbA-F to usbA-M | 09:14 |
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| chx | why does that thing have a switch??????? | 09:16 |
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| lucent | chx: tie the data pins together or not; for fast charge detection | 09:16 |
| chx | OH | 09:17 |
| chx | rly? | 09:17 |
| lucent | my N900 does *NOT* charge when connected by cable to a belkin USB mini car charge adapter | 09:17 |
| chx | I was looking for something like this then for ever. | 09:17 |
| lucent | I had to hack apart a cable and tie the data pins together | 09:17 |
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| chx | lucent: you suer that's what the switch does? | 09:18 |
| lucent | certain, yes | 09:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | I usually fix that inside the charger, with iron + solder | 09:18 |
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| chx | Thank you! Your order has been completed. | 09:18 |
| chx | :) | 09:18 |
| lucent | :) | 09:18 |
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| chx | that will allow me to use standard miniusb cables with all the usb ports i have | 09:19 |
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| chx | i have a small travel outlet with 3 three power and 1 usb | 09:19 |
| chx | and i have the belkin brick with also three power and 2 usb but it does not work on 220v. | 09:20 |
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| chx | and, the n900 does not charge from any of those | 09:20 |
| chx | interestingly enough, it charges from the charger of the nook. | 09:20 |
| lucent | ah, yes that is the exact symptom of what I described | 09:20 |
| chx | i know | 09:20 |
| chx | it's in the wiki | 09:20 |
| korhojoa | hm? | 09:20 |
| lucent | mine does not charge from my nook charger, funny though | 09:20 |
| chx | but since i immigrated i no longer have a multimeter | 09:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | heh, I could offer a software fix. Interested? | 09:20 |
| chx | neither a soldiering post. | 09:21 |
| chx | DocScrutinizer: what???? | 09:21 |
| lucent | DocScrutinizer: what's the command? | 09:21 |
| chx | DocScrutinizer: this can be fixed in *software*? | 09:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes | 09:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | but not with a simple command | 09:21 |
| chx | DocScrutinizer: knowing you :) does it include installing a hacked kernel? | 09:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | no, not that sophisticated | 09:21 |
| chx | phew | 09:21 |
| chx | I am using Linux since before it was 1.0 but i am NOT comfy with installing a custom kernel on a device like this. | 09:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | hehe | 09:22 |
| korhojoa | just something with the charging daemon? | 09:22 |
| chx | it lacks a floppy drive ;) | 09:22 |
| korhojoa | :D | 09:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | korhojoa: exactly | 09:22 |
| korhojoa | it's got a microusb slot | 09:22 |
| korhojoa | usb... sd, i mean. | 09:23 |
| lucent | microusb is the "new" floppy drive | 09:23 |
| korhojoa | :D | 09:23 |
| lucent | wow you got me, microsd is the new floppy drive | 09:23 |
| chx | DocScrutinizer: so ... what do we need to do to the charging daemon and how come i couldnt find this in the forum or the wiki? | 09:23 |
| lucent | microusb on the brain here | 09:23 |
| chx | microsd is the new floppy dirve, wow, that's one small, small floppy :D | 09:23 |
| korhojoa | because it's undocumented and experimental, i guess | 09:23 |
| korhojoa | now i'm just left wondering what a dirve is | 09:24 |
| lucent | I could not find this information about changing N900 charging modes on the wiki or forums | 09:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer | chx: you can't find it because I mentioned it first time 3 minutes ago. And it's not like doing anything to bme, it's about replacing it | 09:24 |
| chx | DocScrutinizer: oh you just figured it out :) ? tell us more :D | 09:24 |
| korhojoa | ah, how is the replacement coming along? | 09:24 |
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| lucent | ...that would be why ; how are the efforts to replace bme? | 09:25 |
| chx | DocScrutinizer: you reverse engineered bme??????? | 09:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | we got bme-free charging since ~6 months now | 09:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | I posted a draft on tmo ages ago | 09:25 |
| chx | wow | 09:26 |
| lucent | good work then :) | 09:26 |
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| korhojoa | does it involve typing a command every time you want to charge your phone? | 09:26 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK hasn't started bme since months afaik | 09:26 |
| chx | is that when his phone last worked :P ? | 09:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | korhojoa: for now yes it does | 09:27 |
| chx | Sorry :) | 09:27 |
| korhojoa | :DD | 09:27 |
| korhojoa | okay | 09:27 |
| chx | DocScrutinizer: so , now you type a command and it charges and D- D+ short be damned? | 09:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | though you know you can "type commands" with a desktop icon | 09:27 |
| korhojoa | no! it requires a cli! don't ruin my illusion! | 09:28 |
| chx | haha | 09:28 |
| korhojoa | what happens when you unplug in the middle of charging? | 09:28 |
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| DocScrutinizer | well, I'll register a paypal account :-D So when I can buy a few donuts for breakfast I'll publish the virtual D+- short X-P | 09:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | korhojoa: It stops | 09:29 |
| chx | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=29051 this is the only thing i found for free-bme | 09:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer | umm | 09:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | jrbme.garage.maemo.org - not much to see there, but that'S where it will be | 09:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | cya | 09:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | me away for breakfast | 09:32 |
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| lucent | thanks DocScrutinizer | 09:33 |
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| chx | is there http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.27230 anything like this for HID profile? | 09:38 |
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| Jay_BEE | does any of the irc clients for maemo (xchat or pidgin or ???) support connecting to irc.freenode.net? | 09:45 |
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| phellarv | Jay_BEE: Use irssi | 09:47 |
| phellarv | The best one there is | 09:47 |
| Jay_BEE | if memory serves me, irssi is console based eh? | 09:47 |
| phellarv | Correct | 09:49 |
| Jay_BEE | my console based irc app of choice is bitchx... wonders if that was ever ported... | 09:50 |
| mveplus | Jay_BEE: Xchat also work well on N900 | 09:51 |
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| jbtest | hmm | 09:56 |
| jbtest | i sit corrected... perhaps it was pidgin that did not work with freenode as xchat seems to be fine | 09:58 |
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| jbtest | thanks | 09:58 |
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| Jay_BEE | good night and good day to all | 10:01 |
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| lolloo | is there a way to make Xchat work change to portiet mode? | 10:06 |
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| psycho_oreos | what use would xchat be if it were to be portrait when the physical keyboard is on the other side of the screen? have virtual keyboard like iphones? | 10:09 |
| lolloo | mmm | 10:10 |
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| lolloo | good point, let me check | 10:10 |
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| cos^ | any ermining devs here? i'd like to whine about it :-) | 10:22 |
| lolloo | what is it cos^ ? | 10:23 |
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| cos^ | lolloo: i have 2 calendars enabled at google. it always selects the wrong one in settings | 10:24 |
| cos^ | if i change it, it always resets to the wrong one | 10:24 |
| lolloo | ok, I will try it on my side. | 10:25 |
| lolloo | it shouldn't change | 10:25 |
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| yacc | psycho_oreos, no insult meant, but xchat is rather useless on the small n900 display anyway, .. | 10:32 |
| Surfa | oh well, as useless as irssi and other irc clients imo | 10:33 |
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| psycho_oreos | yacc, indeed but when you're on the go and with most apps are designed to be mostly to be run in landscape mode.. some things people say makes you ponder the useful-ness of so and so app in portrait mode when the app originally has difficulty squeezing its functionality into landscape mode | 10:34 |
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| gyerot | Surfa: terminal irc clients make more sense, at least you can turn off most of the interface and make font smaller | 10:36 |
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| psycho_oreos | great for people with short sightedness.. you can see who would be squinting at their device trying to make sense of each word as its displayed on the minuscule font.. and probably be laughed at by iphone owners | 10:38 |
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| gyerot | which incidentally has half the screen capacity... | 10:39 |
| psycho_oreos | indeed, space at a premium, lets sacrifice our eyes in the process of saving some screen's `white areas' | 10:39 |
| psycho_oreos | s/areas/spaces/ | 10:40 |
| infobot | psycho_oreos meant: indeed, space at a premium, lets sacrifice our eyes in the process of saving some screen's `white spaces' | 10:40 |
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| gyerot | ok, I connected here on n900 using weechat, and I can see just ine using default font size | 10:42 |
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| jacekowski | weechat isn't the best thing for irc | 10:45 |
| gyerot | what do you suggest then, irssi? | 10:46 |
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| Termana | xchat | 10:47 |
| Termana | That's what jacekowski recommends as well | 10:47 |
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| gyerot | can you use it over ssh so your irc session isn't depenedent on your shitty gprs connection? | 10:48 |
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| Termana | gyerot, i guess you could with X11 forwarding (?) - or you know, set up a bouncer | 10:48 |
| gyerot | and pay triple for X11 data transfer :-) | 10:49 |
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| sjk | irssi is fine on the n900 | 10:54 |
| Termana | gyerot, well then you could set up psybnc on your server | 10:54 |
| Termana | sjk, LIES | 10:54 |
| Termana | :p | 10:54 |
| sjk | I'm using it as we speak :) | 10:54 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | bip or znc FTW | 10:55 |
| sjk | But then again, I've used it for years and cannot really be arsed to try something new. :) | 10:55 |
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| pupnik_ | someone should name their kid 'doctor' | 11:07 |
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| yacc | psycho_oreos, yeah, but for irc I've found that installing the irc modules into pidgin works much better for me. Enough IRC support, NickServ support with some tricks, and overall a better experience on a 800x480 display than xchat. | 11:09 |
| yacc | psycho_oreos, but then pidgin has had a basic workover for the n900/maemo I think ;) | 11:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | hah | 11:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | what's wrong with xchat? | 11:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer | (... at least you can turn off most of the interface and make font smaller) sounds like xchat to me | 11:12 |
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| summel | The website at meego.com contains elements from the site thenokiablog.com, which appears to host malware | 11:32 |
| summel | :o | 11:32 |
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| timeless_mbp | summel: wrong channel | 11:34 |
| summel | yes | 11:34 |
| summel | :D | 11:34 |
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| Venemo_N900 | hi | 11:37 |
| Venemo_N900 | is there an FTP client for Maemo? | 11:38 |
| RobbieThe1st | Google search "ftp maemo" first result: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=55336 | 11:38 |
| Venemo_N900 | RobbieThe1st: thanks! :) | 11:41 |
| RobbieThe1st | np | 11:42 |
| timeless_mbp | RobbieThe1st: you should use lmgtfy | 11:42 |
| timeless_mbp | the n900 supports it :) | 11:42 |
| RobbieThe1st | True, but that takes too long. | 11:43 |
| RobbieThe1st | I have Google in my firefox bar; easier to just google it than to google it, paste it into lmgtfy, then post it in here acting like a smartass | 11:43 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 11:50 |
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| Venemo_N900 | morning Jaffa | 11:51 |
| Venemo_N900 | ~seen MohammadAG | 11:56 |
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| Venemo_N900 | where is infobot? | 11:59 |
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| Venemo_N900 | :( | 12:01 |
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| tybollt | RobbieThe1st> I have Google in my firefox bar; easier to just google it than to google it | 12:18 |
| tybollt | I like that | 12:19 |
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| RobbieThe1st | You know what I meant.. But that -was- a good find | 12:22 |
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| timeless_mbp | teach a man to fish | 12:30 |
| sivang | morning all | 12:31 |
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| lolloo | hahaha timeless_mbp | 12:32 |
| lolloo | the quote from the meego conference | 12:32 |
| timeless_mbp | ? | 12:33 |
| lolloo | teach a man to fish | 12:33 |
| lolloo | they said it on meeGo conference | 12:33 |
| * timeless_mbp decides lolloo isn't a native speaker | 12:33 | |
| lolloo | hehehe | 12:33 |
| timeless_mbp | http://www.quotationspage.com/quote/2279.html | 12:33 |
| lolloo | I know but it reminded me of the conference | 12:34 |
| lolloo | hehehe | 12:34 |
| timeless_mbp | heck, the UK even has a program named after it: www.teachamantofish.org.uk/ | 12:34 |
| lolloo | hehehe | 12:34 |
| lolloo | awesome | 12:34 |
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| crashanddie | timeless_mbp, it's a pretty common saying even in other languages | 12:42 |
| timeless_mbp | crashanddie: to be fair, it's a chinese proverb | 12:42 |
| timeless_mbp | so it probably works better in the original chinese :) | 12:42 |
| crashanddie | damn chinese | 12:42 |
| crashanddie | they export their proverbs by the metric ton | 12:42 |
| timeless_mbp | curses upon ancient civilizations! | 12:43 |
| timeless_mbp | they have an unfair advantage! | 12:43 |
| lolloo | hehehe | 12:43 |
| timeless_mbp | they can say "First Post" first | 12:43 |
| alterego | Weird, two dreams about my N900 in as many nights. | 12:44 |
| alterego | The first one it got snapped in half and last nikght the usb fell out. | 12:44 |
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| chem|st | alterego: no dream... thursday it got splashed with 0.5L wheat-beer-coke mix | 12:46 |
| alterego | Hah :) | 12:47 |
| chem|st | is there some kind of glue or heatsink liquid on top of the omap housing? | 12:47 |
| alterego | Oh dear, is it okay? | 12:47 |
| chem|st | alterego: fine apart of the louder part of the wip | 12:47 |
| chem|st | alterego: and putting the keyboard back in place is a pain! | 12:48 |
| alterego | microbs' auto complete definitely feels quicker in 1.3 I've not had to clear history since I flashed it. | 12:51 |
| sivang | crashanddie: heh | 12:52 |
| timeless_mbp | alterego: glad to hear you finally upgraded | 12:52 |
| sivang | alterego: I had a dream it got sick and died ;-) | 12:52 |
| timeless_mbp | alterego: fwiw, w/ nokia products, i think you're better served by backing up and upgrading early | 12:53 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | chem|st: no heat conducting spread on any part | 12:53 |
| alterego | timeless_mbp: I upgraded the day it was released, I think I was one of the first to get it from tablets-dev :P | 12:53 |
| timeless_mbp | oh | 12:53 |
| timeless_mbp | the way you wrote your sentence made me interpret it differently | 12:53 |
| chem|st | DocScrutinizer-8: glue or kind of? | 12:53 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | chem|st: no | 12:53 |
| alterego | sorry, I get that alot :P | 12:54 |
| sivang | timeless_mbp: I heard fishinig is popular in Finland | 12:54 |
| sivang | ;) | 12:54 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | btw you opened the cans? | 12:54 |
| chem|st | DocScrutinizer-8: ok then it must be wheat-beer remains | 12:54 |
| timeless_mbp | sivang: fishing, maybe. teaching to fish, dunno | 12:54 |
| ieatlint | wheat beer and coke? | 12:54 |
| sivang | DocScrutinizer-8: the NOLO boot threshold featured on the talk ;) | 12:54 |
| chem|st | Ian--: yeas | 12:54 |
| timeless_mbp | if it involves talking, probably not | 12:54 |
| chem|st | Ian--: sry wrong guy | 12:54 |
| sivang | timeless_mbp: heh | 12:54 |
| chem|st | ieatlint: yes | 12:54 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | sivang: eh? | 12:55 |
| ieatlint | chem|st, that actually tastes good? | 12:55 |
| chem|st | DocScrutinizer-8: with "cans" you talked to me? | 12:55 |
| timeless_mbp | DocScrutinizer: excuse his typo :) | 12:55 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | chem|st: yes | 12:55 |
| sivang | oh, right, treshold | 12:55 |
| chem|st | DocScrutinizer-8: no did not open them, but as it was on top I should I guess | 12:55 |
| sivang | err no | 12:55 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | yes | 12:56 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | then rinse thoroughy with tap water, then demineralized water | 12:56 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | then dry for 2 weeks | 12:56 |
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| chem|st | ieatlint: depends on your taste, light wheat beer isnt sweet so banana-juice or coke is favoured with girls (or sissies) | 12:57 |
| sivang | sounds like brewing instructions | 12:57 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | maybe put a patch of scotch on mic prior to rinsing | 12:57 |
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| chem|st | DocScrutinizer-8: there wont be water at my n900, I work in a labratory | 12:57 |
| ieatlint | chem|st, :P | 12:58 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | chem|st: so use demineralized water | 12:58 |
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| DocScrutinizer-8 | no use in things like alcohol to solve things that were solved in water | 12:59 |
| chem|st | DocScrutinizer-8: I used refined propanol | 12:59 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | will it solve sugar? | 12:59 |
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| chem|st | DocScrutinizer-8: polar solves polar | 13:00 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | yep | 13:00 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | ethanol is nonpolar, no? | 13:00 |
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| chem|st | it is polar | 13:00 |
| FIQ|n900 | it is polar | 13:00 |
| * FIQ|n900 is slow as always | 13:00 | |
| chem|st | anything mixing with water is polar | 13:01 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | hmm | 13:01 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | k | 13:01 |
| chem|st | oil petrol and so on is unpolar | 13:01 |
| FIQ|n900 | lol, i've a test about interatomic bindings tomorrow. :D | 13:01 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | anyway, open as many cans as you manage to | 13:01 |
| chem|st | nonpolar sry hanging in german... not used to english in a lab anymore | 13:02 |
| FIQ|n900 | random coincidence that you're talking about it lol | 13:02 |
| chem|st | FIQ|n900: what you study then? | 13:02 |
| chem|st | FIQ|n900: sounds like highschool | 13:02 |
| FIQ|n900 | I'm just 16 atm, so in highschool, nature science | 13:03 |
| FIQ|n900 | yeah | 13:03 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | so is ethanol electrically conductive? | 13:03 |
| FIQ|n900 | anyway, afk lesson | 13:03 |
| chem|st | DocScrutinizer-8: kind of | 13:03 |
| chem|st | DocScrutinizer-8: polar and nonpolar do not give any conclusion about condutivity | 13:04 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | will it decombinate like water? | 13:04 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | (conclusion) tnought as much | 13:04 |
| korhojoa | hm? | 13:04 |
| korhojoa | decombinate? | 13:05 |
| chem|st | not in the same way but yes, decombination of water is one of the natures phenomena, like its density point at 277K | 13:05 |
| korhojoa | i like the smell of methyl benzoate | 13:06 |
| korhojoa | just synthesized some two weeks ago | 13:06 |
| chem|st | I use isopropanol as it is an ingredient in most elect. conductivity sprays | 13:07 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | chem|st: anyway, virtually all PCBA will survive a bath in coke and rinsing, if you do rinse and dry thoroughly, prior to applying any voltage | 13:07 |
| chem|st | korhojoa: we call that after a sweets brand as it smells just like it | 13:07 |
| korhojoa | heh | 13:08 |
| chem|st | DocScrutinizer-8: it is running fine ;) | 13:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer-8 | how long it will depends on proper cleaning and drying though | 13:08 |
| chem|st | korhojoa: that was that icy smell like chewinggum? | 13:08 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | electric corrosion is slow but ongoing | 13:09 |
| korhojoa | chem|st, urr, xylitol or menthol? | 13:09 |
| chem|st | DocScrutinizer-8: will get a replacement anyway, but I will try to clean it up properly | 13:09 |
| korhojoa | chem|st, what happened? | 13:10 |
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| chem|st | korhojoa: it smells like the feeling you get when you chew one of those gums | 13:10 |
| DocScrutinizer-8 | this coke candy even has phosphoric acid and is hygroscopic | 13:11 |
| korhojoa | ookay. i just think it smells good | 13:11 |
| chem|st | korhojoa: a german brand (storck) made a so called ice-bonbon | 13:11 |
| korhojoa | also it annoys my uncle, he works for customs and has a drug-sniffing dog | 13:11 |
| korhojoa | ah bonbons | 13:12 |
| chem|st | korhojoa: everything smells like it for days... | 13:12 |
| korhojoa | true | 13:13 |
| alterego | chem|st: if you get a replacement, can you send the busted one to me? :D | 13:13 |
| korhojoa | also drug-sniffing dogs are trained to detect it as cocaine | 13:13 |
| chem|st | alterego: you wish | 13:14 |
| alterego | :( | 13:14 |
| alterego | rawr | 13:14 |
| korhojoa | he'll send it to me | 13:15 |
| korhojoa | postage to finland is cheaper | 13:15 |
| chem|st | alterego: I will build a wifi NAS-mediacenter if I can keep it | 13:15 |
| alterego | chem|st: well, if you can deal with the tin sound and bubbles fine :P | 13:16 |
| chem|st | tin sound and bubbles? | 13:16 |
| alterego | (The sound of it submerged) :P | 13:17 |
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| chem|st | alterego: I won't put it in an aquatank | 13:24 |
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| jase21 | what webhost is good to have an ssh proxy? | 13:37 |
| jase21 | May told that they use ssh to get into irc. | 13:38 |
| FauxFaux | Nearly any shell provider will do that; pick any of the cheapish ones on google that don't have process time limits. | 13:38 |
| jase21 | But it seems that they have rules which states that using ssh other than maintaining website is against TOS (eg: nearlyfreespeech.net) | 13:40 |
| jase21 | Do you have any suggestions? | 13:40 |
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| jase21 | Do I have to get a media temple account to do that? (I'm a newbie) | 13:43 |
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| jacekowski | is there any map and routing ( just routing ) software that is standalone? | 13:51 |
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| lbt | barisione: here rather than msg please | 13:54 |
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| BCMM | i put someone else's microSD card (from a camera) in my n900 so we could show pictures on a TV, and when the camera was later mounted from windows, i saw that it had a .modest directory next to DCIM | 14:15 |
| BCMM | with a directory structure and no files | 14:15 |
| BCMM | any idea why? | 14:16 |
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| DocScrutinizer | because modest is braindamaged | 14:19 |
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| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: i have to disagree | 14:21 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: it's not so bad since pr1.3 and since i've started using MfE | 14:22 |
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| chem|st | jacekowski: BRAINS | 14:22 |
| chem|st | jacekowski: are you looking for a routing solution or for code? | 14:23 |
| jacekowski | open source stuff | 14:23 |
| jacekowski | or whatever is avaliable | 14:23 |
| chem|st | code then | 14:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: creating a directory on uSD is qualifying modest for the title "braindamaged" | 14:24 |
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| jacekowski | chem|st: well, i'm just looking for what is avaliable | 14:26 |
| jacekowski | chem|st: as i'm thinking about creating some simple voice synthesis engine supporting tomtom voices | 14:26 |
| RST38h | More crazy tmo people: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=66058 | 14:27 |
| derf | jacekowski: The only one I know is Maemo Mapper. | 14:27 |
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| RST38h | MAPPERO from now on, and hello derf | 14:27 |
| derf | It's not "really" stand-alone, as it requires Google Maps to do the routing. | 14:28 |
| derf | RST38h: That is a different program, and one I've never gotten to work. | 14:28 |
| RST38h | Mapper uses Flite for voice | 14:28 |
| RST38h | derf: Same thing. The new maintainer renamed it for some reason. | 14:28 |
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| chem|st | jacekowski: http://linuxappfinder.com/package/routeplanner-gnome | 14:28 |
| derf | Well, the trademark issue with "Maemo *", I assume. | 14:28 |
| chem|st | jacekowski: that sounds like engine | 14:28 |
| RST38h | Quite possible | 14:29 |
| derf | I know it started from the same codebase, but it is not the same thing. | 14:29 |
| derf | One works. The other doesn't. | 14:29 |
| chem|st | derf: that has no on-board routing | 14:29 |
| RST38h | derf: Mappero works for me. | 14:29 |
| RST38h | derf:You must have some unlucky local config issue | 14:29 |
| jacekowski | hmm, | 14:29 |
| jacekowski | so going back to maps | 14:29 |
| jacekowski | i could write my own stuff from scratches | 14:30 |
| jacekowski | but what about search | 14:30 |
| jacekowski | because i want it to be offline | 14:30 |
| jacekowski | and that's where problem starts | 14:30 |
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| CutMeOwnThroat | jacekowski, there's a voice synthesis ... thingy meant for routing in the repo - and I guess there's "navit", but I haven't tried that much - only seen there's also an openstreetmap converter... there seem to be quite a lot of mapping software around but most of them are tile-based(?) | 14:30 |
| jacekowski | yep | 14:31 |
| jacekowski | i want proper working navigation | 14:31 |
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| SpeedEvil | OSM has vector based offline routers. | 14:32 |
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| SpeedEvil | The data quality is regrettably often an issue in many places though | 14:32 |
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| derf | Offline routing would be totally awesome. | 14:33 |
| derf | But getting access to high-quality routing data seems... problematic. | 14:33 |
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| jacekowski | well, problems are | 14:34 |
| jacekowski | offline map | 14:34 |
| jacekowski | solution: copy of osm data for specific country somewhere on phone | 14:34 |
| derf | Yeah, Maemo Mapper already lets you download map tiles. | 14:34 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | SpeedEvil, right, I guess so - the places I was living at were pretty well mapped, though... but I bet if you're outside Europe/US/Canada and some others quality drops dramatically | 14:35 |
| jacekowski | tiles are useless for routing | 14:35 |
| derf | I agree. | 14:35 |
| jacekowski | offline routing: cpu intensive ( but tomtom can do it in seconds ) | 14:35 |
| derf | Routing data != maps. | 14:35 |
| jacekowski | well, routing data == maps | 14:35 |
| jacekowski | if you have streets as vectors | 14:35 |
| jacekowski | then you can generate maps based on it | 14:35 |
| jacekowski | search is a problem | 14:36 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | I've still not tried all map-applications in the repos... one problem is that each downloads their own maps... quite a drain on space | 14:36 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | would be good to write up a comparison, though... I'm also looking for something that is standalone... | 14:37 |
| lcuk | cloudgps is AWESOME. it has the fastest smoothest slickest rendering of all mapping apps I have seen on the n900 | 14:37 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | well, the pre-installed one on the N900 seems to be mostly standalone | 14:37 |
| * lcuk spent a lot of time talking with Damion at the conf :) | 14:37 | |
| jacekowski | lcuk: java? | 14:37 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | but it's still trying to connect to the network every 5 minutes, which is pretty annoying | 14:38 |
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| lcuk | jacekowski, c with intelligent gl handling :) | 14:38 |
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| lcuk | works really well | 14:38 |
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| lcuk | REALLY well | 14:38 |
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| jacekowski | hmm, tile based | 14:39 |
| jacekowski | backend would have to be redone to base it on vectors | 14:39 |
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| lcuk | jacekowski, its also got the slickest landscape/portrait transition I have seen to date :) | 14:41 |
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| jacekowski | well, if you are using opengl hardware for it | 14:42 |
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| jacekowski | then you just move camera and hardware deals with it | 14:42 |
| jacekowski | but i'm looking at osm data | 14:43 |
| jacekowski | and it's still too incomplete for routing purposes | 14:43 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | heh, with camera and gps the N900 wouldn't be too bad a device for steering cars | 14:43 |
| jacekowski | i'm not talking about that camera | 14:44 |
| jacekowski | i'm talking about virtual camera in opengl | 14:44 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | i know... the word just triggered the thought | 14:44 |
| * SpeedEvil wonders if any cars have the power steering on the CAN bus. | 14:46 | |
| chem|st | jacekowski: http://www.luckygps.com/ | 14:46 |
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| jacekowski | SpeedEvil: it's mechanical stuff mostly | 14:47 |
| jacekowski | SpeedEvil: but you can get data out of it | 14:47 |
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| CutMeOwnThroat | jacekowski, "cachetts" was meant to create speech for routing - if you try it, tell me what it does :) | 14:47 |
| SpeedEvil | jacekowski: yeah | 14:47 |
| chem|st | SpeedEvil: newer cars variate the vacuum used to support brakeing and trim the powerstearing | 14:49 |
| SpeedEvil | yeah | 14:49 |
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| jacekowski | MohammadAG: i don't have power steering | 15:02 |
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| luke-jr | how do you drive w/o power steering? :/ | 15:07 |
| Surfa | luke-jr, easily | 15:07 |
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| Surfa | one can drive huge russian off-road truck without one (done that) | 15:07 |
| luke-jr | easier than on a power-steering-vehicle with broken power steering? | 15:07 |
| luke-jr | (which in my experience is fairly difficult) | 15:08 |
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| crashanddie | DocScrutinizer, summon infobot | 15:10 |
| MohammadAG | jacekowski, how old? | 15:11 |
| * alterego is quite pround of his telemetry streaming framework. | 15:12 | |
| alterego | It now handles UDP unicast or broadcast, TCP client or server configurations, and now I'm gonna fix my bluetooth implementation so it can handle bluetooth slave & master roles. | 15:13 |
| alterego | I think that should satisfy everyones need. | 15:13 |
| * MohammadAG wants to use the N900 as a BT headset | 15:14 | |
| alterego | MohammadAG: for what? :P | 15:14 |
| alterego | I wanted to use my laptop as a headset for my N900 .. | 15:14 |
| MohammadAG | stuff that needs a quick BT mic | 15:14 |
| MohammadAG | PS3 would be one | 15:14 |
| alterego | It would be nice. | 15:15 |
| alterego | To have a swiss army knife, oh yes, it would be nice. | 15:16 |
| MohammadAG | nohands - Makes the N900 act as HFP bluetooth | 15:17 |
| MohammadAG | not sure what that is tbh, haven't seen any threads about it | 15:17 |
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| Appiah | MohammadAG: me too | 15:30 |
| Appiah | I tried messing with bluez but dont remeber where I left it | 15:31 |
| * Appiah adds it to the long todo list | 15:31 | |
| chem|st | luke-jr: driving a car without native powerstearing is much easier than a car with broken powerstearing! | 15:32 |
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| RST38h | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/11/23/symbian_history_part_one_dark_star/ | 15:37 |
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| niq | I'm trying and failing to install EasyDebian on maemo | 15:43 |
| niq | Is there a way to get error messages from it? | 15:43 |
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| alterego | Anyone here know what 'vrace' means in wireshark in relation to: 'Dst Port: vrace (9300)' ? | 15:45 |
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| ieatlint | it's port 9300, with a description of "vrace" as the common service that uses that port | 15:49 |
| alterego | Ooo, right :) | 15:50 |
| ieatlint | a search on google says "Virtual Racing Service" ... dunno wtf that is | 15:50 |
| alterego | Maybe I should use a different port ^.^ | 15:50 |
| alterego | Or not, I don't care, it's configurable by the user anyway ^.^ | 15:50 |
| RST38h | It is a special service for racing conditions! | 15:51 |
| alterego | Heh | 15:51 |
| alterego | Perfect for what I have in mind then :D | 15:51 |
| RST38h | You want to create some racing conditions and...eh...race them? | 15:52 |
| alterego | You can use my app in a race, during your journey it'll send GPS telemetry over the network. | 15:52 |
| alterego | ;) | 15:52 |
| RST38h | Ah | 15:52 |
| * RST38h remembers working on a project like that | 15:52 | |
| RST38h | The vehicles have been...a bit unconventional though | 15:52 |
| * niq developed an app like that back in 1988/9 ... | 15:53 | |
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| niq | but it was only for big-budget clients back then ... and we had to get the software into a 128k ROM :) | 16:00 |
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| jacekowski | MohammadAG: 11 years | 16:11 |
| jacekowski | MohammadAG: but you can disable power steering in any modern car | 16:12 |
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| ieatlint | yeah, just go to the top of a hill, put it in neutral, turn off the engine and have fun | 16:24 |
| ieatlint | :P | 16:24 |
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| crashanddie | "put it in neutral" gnarf gnarf gnarf | 17:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ~status | 17:33 |
| infobot | Since Mon Nov 22 23:32:45 2010, there have been 6 modifications, 26 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 37 commands. I have been awake for 16h 56s this session, and currently reference 117490 factoids. I'm using about 20208 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 144.5/3.55 child 0/0 | 17:33 |
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| kerio | infobot: what is foobar | 17:41 |
| infobot | $$%$% | 17:41 |
| kerio | hmm | 17:41 |
| kerio | infobot: what is asdjhajgh | 17:41 |
| infobot | kerio: I think you lost me on that one | 17:41 |
| kerio | ~status | 17:41 |
| infobot | Since Mon Nov 22 23:32:45 2010, there have been 6 modifications, 28 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 39 commands. I have been awake for 16h 8m 38s this session, and currently reference 117490 factoids. I'm using about 20208 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 146.64/3.73 child 0/0 | 17:41 |
| kerio | how's that not a dunno? | 17:41 |
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| johnsq | Hi | 17:47 |
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| mikki-kun | 0 morons? lol :D | 18:14 |
| crashanddie | ~moron mikki-kun | 18:16 |
| mikki-kun | :( | 18:16 |
| mikki-kun | /ignore crashanddie | 18:16 |
| crashanddie | ~nickometer RST38h | 18:16 |
| infobot | 'RST38h' is 52.000% lame, crashanddie | 18:16 |
| crashanddie | ~nickometer w00t_ | 18:16 |
| infobot | 'w00t_' is 37.000% lame, crashanddie | 18:16 |
| X-Fade | Hehe, that bot really does a lot of things :) | 18:18 |
| crashanddie | but some of them are expressly... | 18:18 |
| crashanddie | ~useless | 18:18 |
| * infobot starts crying and hides from crashanddie in the darkest corner of the room. :( | 18:18 | |
| WakiMiko | ~version | 18:19 |
| infobot | [version] Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename>, or lsb_release -d | 18:19 |
| mikki-kun | hey, out of my corner infobot! | 18:19 |
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| crashanddie | I love applications that segfault when you ask them to exit | 18:22 |
| crashanddie | It's like they really take their job at heart, trying to do everything really in depth | 18:22 |
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| septiq | Hello, can i download somewhere old packages "cleaned by repository management" ? actually I need old kernel-power packages as new ones break the camera :( | 18:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | ~uptime | 18:29 |
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| septiq | maybe someone who has not updated still have kernel-power-flasher_2.6.28-maemo40_armel.deb, kernel-power_2.6.28-maemo40_armel.deb and kernel-power-modules_2.6.28-maemo40_armel.deb in his apt cache ? | 18:30 |
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| korhojoa | hey guys | 18:32 |
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| korhojoa | does the n900 require a sim card to be updated? | 18:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | mo | 18:36 |
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| korhojoa | DocScrutinizer51, is that a 'no' ? | 18:37 |
| BCMM | korhojoa: depends if you have wifi :) | 18:37 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | oops, it's not? | 18:37 |
| korhojoa | i don't understand why everyone keeps asking if i have wifi | 18:38 |
| korhojoa | i'm trying to flash it with the NSU | 18:38 |
| korhojoa | but it won't find my damn phone | 18:38 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | haha | 18:38 |
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| korhojoa | the cli flasher doesn't work under 7-x64 | 18:38 |
| korhojoa | and virtual pc is of no help | 18:38 |
| korhojoa | cli flasher works under virtual pc | 18:38 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | general advice: remove sim and uSD before flashing | 18:39 |
| korhojoa | but getting it to do it's thing requires multiple retries of plugging it in and out and waah | 18:39 |
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| korhojoa | okay, well. they're out | 18:39 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | flashing is not updating though | 18:39 |
| korhojoa | i didn't remove my sim last time | 18:39 |
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| korhojoa | i know. i'm doing it because it bricked itself while updating | 18:39 |
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| korhojoa | urgh | 18:40 |
| korhojoa | fuck this, that thing isn't working. virtual pc and bothersome flasher it is | 18:40 |
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| korhojoa | why is that thing so bad? it wouldn't flash my E61 either | 18:40 |
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| cybe | anyone here know where this n900 part belongs? http://dl.dropbox.com/u/838458/Screen%20shot%202010-11-23%20at%2018.24.32%20PM.png I believe it has something to do with the pen holder | 18:41 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | USB access thru virtualzation layer ->trouble | 18:42 |
| korhojoa | DocScrutinizer51, well. what's a user going to do? | 18:42 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | use a live linux CD :-P | 18:42 |
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| ed-eddy | Hi, when I switch my n800 to adhoc mode it only works on 11Mbps speed | 18:43 |
| MOUD | Hello | 18:43 |
| ed-eddy | is there some way to change the speed | 18:43 |
| ed-eddy | like iwconfig wlan0 rate 54M | 18:43 |
| MOUD | Is there a way to install J2ME on nokia n900? | 18:43 |
| ed-eddy | pupnik_: Hi | 18:43 |
| thp | MOUD: http://wiki.maemo.org/Microemulator | 18:44 |
| pupnik_ | i don't know ed-eddy | 18:45 |
| MOUD | thp: thanks, ill check | 18:45 |
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| ed-eddy | pupnik_: sorry had to change my nick, I am sougata | 18:46 |
| pupnik_ | hope you're having a nice day ed-eddy | 18:47 |
| mykhal | i'm still not too clear on how a sim card works. how much do i have to pay for one? will it cost me to use internet/phone/sms on the nokia n900. can anyone explain all of this to me in laymans terms? | 18:49 |
| ed-eddy | pupnik_: thank you, and I wish the same from you. Did you try to play with iwconfig in nx00 maemo devices | 18:49 |
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| pupnik_ | http://www.google.de/search?sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=ad-hoc+mode+limited+to+11mbps | 18:50 |
| pupnik_ | ed-eddy: | 18:50 |
| pupnik_ | normal behavior | 18:50 |
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| ed-eddy | pupnik_: I have installed iwconfig into my n800 tablets and I have connected a couple of them in adhoc mode, but when I see the connection, its 11mbps | 18:52 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | mykhal: nothying is for free. On currency and amount check the website of your favourite SIM provider | 18:53 |
| ed-eddy | pupnik_: that is working in 802.11b specf, but the wifi interface supports 802.11bg , so I am trying to change the rate to 54Mbps | 18:53 |
| korhojoa | hmm, guys, does the n900 accept power over usb while flashing? | 18:53 |
| mykhal | DocScrutinizer51: thank you | 18:53 |
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| pupnik_ | ed-eddy: let us know if you have any success | 18:55 |
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| ed-eddy | pupnik: sure | 18:55 |
| Tscheesy_ | korhojoa: i did once a reflash with a nearly empty akku.. did not feel comfotrable while dooing it.. i guess it doesn't | 18:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | it does not | 18:58 |
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| korhojoa | it does not? | 18:59 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | NOLO does no charging, no matter if in flashing mode or anything else | 18:59 |
| korhojoa | okay | 18:59 |
| korhojoa | so i guess i'll have to wait a while to let it charge up | 19:00 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | yes, on a working system | 19:00 |
| pupnik | http://e2e.ti.com/support/dsp/omap_applications_processors/f/307/p/55300/196610.aspx ed-eddy Texas Instruments omap3 WIFI FAQ | 19:00 |
| korhojoa | you know your phone is a bit messed up when you press the power button and don't get the slide-to-unlock screen | 19:00 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | I.E *flashing* amber LED | 19:00 |
| korhojoa | :D | 19:00 |
| MohammadAG | stuck fixing a windows laptop | 19:01 |
| MohammadAG | does windows log start ups, at all.... | 19:02 |
| korhojoa | 20% should be fine, right? | 19:02 |
| * MohammadAG stabs Windows | 19:02 | |
| korhojoa | doesn't take that long to flash it. | 19:02 |
| * MohammadAG flashed on 2-5% give or take a few | 19:02 | |
| korhojoa | haha | 19:02 |
| Tscheesy_ | korhojoa: the more the better for your nerves | 19:02 |
| korhojoa | so update time! | 19:02 |
| korhojoa | hm | 19:03 |
| korhojoa | i pulled out the battery | 19:03 |
| korhojoa | at a very opportune time? | 19:03 |
| korhojoa | and now the phone is booting | 19:03 |
| korhojoa | without the battery | 19:03 |
| korhojoa | how did this happen | 19:03 |
| korhojoa | over usb, even | 19:03 |
| MohammadAG | broken kernel probably | 19:03 |
| MohammadAG | i've had it before, eventually it'll turn off | 19:04 |
| MohammadAG | the screen pulls more power than the USB cable can provide (or so I've guessed) | 19:04 |
| korhojoa | well, not really | 19:04 |
| korhojoa | it works just fine :D | 19:04 |
| MohammadAG | o_O | 19:04 |
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| korhojoa | my motherboard is funky | 19:04 |
| korhojoa | i've noticed it allowing ~3A over a usb port | 19:04 |
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| korhojoa | will it go bad if i uh, pull the plug? | 19:05 |
| korhojoa | or what's the best option here | 19:05 |
| MohammadAG | do you have children? :P | 19:05 |
| * NooBmonk3y waves | 19:05 | |
| NooBmonk3y | oooo nana's | 19:05 |
| korhojoa | MohammadAG, i sure hope not | 19:06 |
| Tscheesy_ | did anyone try on the n900 kubuntu-mobile ? http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-netbook/ports/releases/10.10/release/ubuntu-netbook-10.10-preinstalled-netbook-armel+omap.img.gz | 19:06 |
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| MohammadAG | nothing to worry about then | 19:06 |
| korhojoa | haha oh wait | 19:06 |
| korhojoa | it wasn't plugged in to the computer | 19:06 |
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| korhojoa | i forgot i switched to the charger | 19:06 |
| korhojoa | so apparently the charger was booting the phone?? | 19:06 |
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| Tscheesy_ | Wrong link - i meant this one: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu-mobile/ports/releases/10.10/release/kubuntu-mobile-10.10-preinstalled-mobile-armel+omap.img.gz | 19:08 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | korhojoa: bloody charge your battery and stop wondering why it booted | 19:08 |
| cybe | sorry guy, asking one more time: anyone here know where this n900 part belongs? http://dl.dropbox.com/u/838458/Screen%20shot%202010-11-23%20at%2018.24.32%20PM.png I believe it has something to do with the pen holder | 19:08 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | korhojoa: I strongly recommend you *completely* charge your battery prior to flashing | 19:09 |
| korhojoa | eh. it flashed fine :> | 19:09 |
| Tscheesy_ | ^^ | 19:09 |
| korhojoa | i forgot it was that quick | 19:09 |
| korhojoa | that was like 1½ minute | 19:09 |
| korhojoa | also, now no more r&d mode, and the booting dots move at a normal pace, not jumping back and forth | 19:10 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | meh, nobody cares | 19:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | even your 'flashed fine' staement is rather... [beeep] as obviously you didn't verify it boots. So how do you know? | 19:12 |
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| korhojoa | DocScrutinizer51, i said that after that it had booted | 19:14 |
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| ed-eddy | pupnik: Thank you, http://processors.wiki.ti.com/index.php/OMAP35x_Wireless_Connectivity_FAQ#How_to_configure_Auto.2FManual_connection_mode_in_tiwlan.ini_file.3F | 19:14 |
| lpjhjdh | trying to run sb2-init and I'm getting an error about bash being of the wrong elf class (64). Seems to execute ok but then when I run sb2 -e I get an error that /bin/sh is not found | 19:14 |
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| ed-eddy | I guess need to figure out tiwlan.ini file | 19:15 |
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| pupnik | ed-eddy: are you sure that 54mbps ad-hoc is possible to achieve? | 19:16 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | korhojoa: and what would you have done if flashing had aborted half way? | 19:16 |
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| korhojoa | taken it to be flashed? | 19:17 |
| ed-eddy | pupnik: no I am not sure, I just that there is a 802.11bg card , and it operates on 54mbps in infrastructure more when connecting with an Acess point , was just curious why its not working in the same for adhoc mode | 19:18 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | yeah. So you understand we're simply not interested on whatever 'flashing succeeded on xy percent low battery' stories | 19:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | there's a reason why everywhere there are warnings you must charge battery prior to flashing | 19:20 |
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| GeneralAntilles | crashanddie, the IRS is going to be contacting me imminently now. :P | 19:22 |
| pupnik | ed-eddy: but the ad-hoc spec only defines 11mbps | 19:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | when MohammadAG says 'flashed on 5%' then he omits he got an external charger to recovr from a failed flash | 19:23 |
| ed-eddy | pupnik: Ahaa, can you please give me the link of the spec. WHY ? :( | 19:23 |
| ed-eddy | pupnik: i am heart broken | 19:24 |
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| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer51, no, i was just on "battery low" | 19:26 |
| MohammadAG | as bme reports | 19:26 |
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| ed-eddy | pupnik: Ya I read in a paper that they only support 11Mbps in adhoc mode, :( . Did you read it from the specks ? | 19:27 |
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| NooBmonk3y | hmmmmmm is it possible to trim an integer? | 19:28 |
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| NooBmonk3y | i'm reading the pointer x and y position and they are being read into an int as " xx " and " yy " | 19:29 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | MohammadAG: eh? how does that chane the fact you got an external battery charger at your disposal? | 19:29 |
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| pupnik | ed-eddy: i don't know if the N900 chip can do 54mbps | 19:30 |
| thp | NooBmonk3y: trim an integer? | 19:30 |
| NooBmonk3y | well it's giving me spaces | 19:30 |
| ed-eddy | pupnik: i think they should, when the hardware supports it | 19:30 |
| thp | NooBmonk3y: which language? | 19:30 |
| NooBmonk3y | a = QString::number(event->globalX()); | 19:30 |
| ed-eddy | pupnik: Thank you for the help gain | 19:30 |
| NooBmonk3y | qt | 19:30 |
| NooBmonk3y | c++ i assume | 19:30 |
| ed-eddy | pupnik: *again | 19:31 |
| pupnik | np | 19:31 |
| NooBmonk3y | a seems to equal " x " | 19:31 |
| NooBmonk3y | rather than "x" | 19:31 |
| NooBmonk3y | oh | 19:31 |
| NooBmonk3y | ffs | 19:31 |
| NooBmonk3y | hang on | 19:31 |
| NooBmonk3y | c = event->globalX(); | 19:31 |
| NooBmonk3y | (ignore the string one) | 19:31 |
| NooBmonk3y | c = " x " rather than "x" | 19:31 |
| thp | what's the return type of globalX ? | 19:31 |
| thp | (and the type of c) | 19:31 |
| NooBmonk3y | void pixelWindow::mouseMoveEvent( QMouseEvent *event) | 19:32 |
| NooBmonk3y | so when you press a co-ordinate i'm trying to read it in to an int :) | 19:32 |
| NooBmonk3y | i then do some maths on the int and want to draw a circle round the pointer position | 19:32 |
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| NooBmonk3y | so eventually it is - painter.drawEllipse(c, d, 40, 40); | 19:33 |
| thp | event->globalX() already returns an int.. there can be no spaces in an int :p | 19:33 |
| NooBmonk3y | but instead of sending (0,0,40,40) it sends ( 0 , 0 , 40,40) | 19:33 |
| NooBmonk3y | hmmmmmm | 19:33 |
| NooBmonk3y | okies, brb | 19:33 |
| NooBmonk3y | will try again | 19:33 |
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| thp | NooBmonk3y: maybe you want x() and y() instead of globalX() and globalY() | 19:35 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | I just can't believe the compiler won't throw warnings on that | 19:35 |
| NooBmonk3y | ahhh ok :) | 19:35 |
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| NooBmonk3y | hmm no member X and Y, hold on will pastebin it | 19:36 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | NooBmonk3y: you can't trim an integer as an integer can't hold any chars you could trim | 19:36 |
| NooBmonk3y | DocScrutinizer, you're behind the times :P | 19:36 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | uhuh | 19:37 |
| NooBmonk3y | ;) | 19:37 |
| NooBmonk3y | but thank you | 19:37 |
| NooBmonk3y | thp http://pastebin.com/HABzVPBy | 19:37 |
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| NooBmonk3y | i'm using global variables to transfer but probably not a sensible way | 19:37 |
| * DocScrutinizer51 bows down for NooBmonk3y and his superior coding skills | 19:37 | |
| NooBmonk3y | DocScrutinizer, when that happens, hell will freeze over i'm sure ;) | 19:38 |
| thp | NooBmonk3y: how do you declare a, b, c and d? (which type) | 19:38 |
| NooBmonk3y | QString a; | 19:38 |
| NooBmonk3y | QString b; | 19:38 |
| NooBmonk3y | int c; | 19:38 |
| NooBmonk3y | int d; | 19:38 |
| CaCO3 | Hi all | 19:38 |
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| NooBmonk3y | hi CaCO3 | 19:38 |
| * DocScrutinizer51 suggests "C for dummies" | 19:39 | |
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| CaCO3 | I have a question to the auto builder. When I use architecture=armel, then my app runs fine, but it will not compile a version for i386 (obviously). But when i use architecture=all, it builds for both architectures, but it will not run on armel | 19:39 |
| NooBmonk3y | CaCO3, use any | 19:40 |
| CaCO3 | :) ok thank | 19:40 |
| NooBmonk3y | :) | 19:40 |
| NooBmonk3y | omg i think i knew something, i can see hell freezing over | 19:40 |
| CaCO3 | i saw that other apps use "all", so i copied that | 19:40 |
| thp | NooBmonk3y: http://pastebin.com/2NKL1XKG | 19:40 |
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| thp | NooBmonk3y: you also might not want to call QWidget::paintEvent() after your drawings (but before), so your drawings do not get overdrawn | 19:41 |
| NooBmonk3y | they need to get over drawn :) | 19:41 |
| NooBmonk3y | thank you very much thp | 19:42 |
| thp | NooBmonk3y: does it work? | 19:42 |
| NooBmonk3y | just testing :) | 19:42 |
| NooBmonk3y | hmmm its drawing the circle but at 0,0 | 19:43 |
| NooBmonk3y | not wher ethe pointer was :| | 19:43 |
| NooBmonk3y | / is | 19:43 |
| thp | NooBmonk3y: is the label filled with the correct coordinates? | 19:43 |
| NooBmonk3y | but the label is working :) | 19:43 |
| NooBmonk3y | yup | 19:44 |
| thp | NooBmonk3y: do qDebug() << c; in the paintEvent and see if the value is still okay there | 19:44 |
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| NooBmonk3y | thp http://img5.imagebanana.com/img/3f2vakel/Selection_005.png | 19:45 |
| NooBmonk3y | c = 459 d=190 | 19:47 |
| NooBmonk3y | looks fine to me, hmmmmmmmmm | 19:47 |
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| NooBmonk3y | (neither have spaces, sorry i put that in) | 19:47 |
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| thp | NooBmonk3y: what you could try is translate the coordinate system using -c and -d and then draw the ellipse at (0,0) | 19:48 |
| NooBmonk3y | hmmmmmm | 19:48 |
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| user____ | does fmms work? | 19:50 |
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| luke-jr | user____: no | 19:50 |
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| user____ | luke-jr: not even a little? | 19:51 |
| luke-jr | maybe if you're lucky | 19:51 |
| luke-jr | and the stars are in alignment | 19:51 |
| user____ | I really want this mms | 19:52 |
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| NooBmonk3y | lol luke | 19:52 |
| NooBmonk3y | works fine for me :) | 19:52 |
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| lolcat- | NooBmonk3y: you can recive mms? | 19:53 |
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| NooBmonk3y | yup | 19:54 |
| NooBmonk3y | automatically too :) | 19:54 |
| luke-jr | lolcat-: MMS is lame | 19:54 |
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| lolcat- | my gf sent me one of herself | 19:55 |
| lolcat- | I miss her and she isn't smart enough to use a real protcoll | 19:55 |
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| NooBmonk3y | thp, cheated a bit and did it a different way, but works :) http://pastebin.com/v6gwMuh0 | 20:05 |
| NooBmonk3y | draw the disc and then technically drag it :P | 20:05 |
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| thp | NooBmonk3y: looking good :) gotta go, have fun | 20:09 |
| NooBmonk3y | thank you | 20:09 |
| NooBmonk3y | have a good evening :) | 20:09 |
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| lpjhjdh | anyone good with scratchbox2? I'm getting a bizarre issue trying to run in emulation mode | 20:14 |
| RST38h | lpjh: what issue? | 20:15 |
| lpjhjdh | sb2 -e bash gives: /bin/bash: No such file or directory \n /bin/bash: Success | 20:15 |
| lpjhjdh | is there some way to get more interesting information? | 20:16 |
| lpjhjdh | looking through a strace log it does find the cross compiled copy of bash | 20:16 |
| alterego | Well, pretty much certain I don't want to use Ovi to distribute my app | 20:17 |
| alterego | And I'm going to put IMEI locking into it .. | 20:17 |
| alterego | Does this make me evil? :D | 20:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer | alterego: I honestly prefer that to whatever security framework based copy protection | 20:21 |
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| alterego | DocScrutinizer: yeah | 20:24 |
| alterego | Might have to account for multiple devices | 20:24 |
| alterego | For those with multiple N900s, do I make them buy it n times or trust them to not be getting free copies for peers :) | 20:25 |
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| SpeedEvil | How do you tell IMEI is from a n900? | 20:25 |
| MohammadAG | damn my N900 is dusty on the inside | 20:27 |
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| MohammadAG | probably compare it against tablets-dev | 20:27 |
| alterego | Doesn't matter, it's not going to run on anything else ;) | 20:27 |
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| MohammadAG | lol | 20:28 |
| SpeedEvil | Also - I'd be somewhat hesitant about giving out my IMEI | 20:28 |
| SpeedEvil | Though I'm not aware of any current attacks that use it. | 20:28 |
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| * MohammadAG has DocScrutinizer's IMEI :P | 20:28 | |
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| alterego | SpeedEvil: I understand that completely, if there was another way .. | 20:29 |
| lolcat- | where do the fmms go? | 20:29 |
| alterego | I could ask for your wlan mac, but that's dodgy :P | 20:30 |
| lolcat- | i recived something:@Push something | 20:30 |
| SpeedEvil | alterego: I forget - what is this app? | 20:30 |
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| MohammadAG | alterego, you know, one could make a dbus faker that sends out a different IMEI | 20:30 |
| MohammadAG | ala qwerty12's fmtx-faker | 20:30 |
| alterego | SpeedEvil: it's a GPS app that has features like handheld GPS', no mapping or routing, just positional information, track log rendering, logging, statistics and data streaming over bluetooth or network. | 20:31 |
| lolcat- | and I can't find my push-something i recived | 20:31 |
| alterego | SpeedEvil: and it's purdy :D | 20:31 |
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| SpeedEvil | ah. | 20:31 |
| SpeedEvil | alterego: Does it do fixing the accuracy of the geotags on photos? | 20:32 |
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| alterego | No, doesn't do anything with geotags :P | 20:34 |
| alterego | Or photos | 20:34 |
| pupnik | oh look, i invented perlin noise in 1987 | 20:38 |
| pupnik | too late again | 20:38 |
| SpeedEvil | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hedy_Lamar#Frequency-hopping_spread-spectrum_invention | 20:39 |
| MohammadAG | alterego, got a beta perhaps? :P | 20:39 |
| MohammadAG | I'll be buying it anyways, kinda like the interface | 20:39 |
| * MohammadAG uploads 21MBs of dusty disassembly photos | 20:40 | |
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| MohammadAG | taken with N8, so feel free to zoom in on the dust.... err, details | 20:40 |
| kerio | you have a n8? | 20:41 |
| kerio | nice | 20:41 |
| kerio | how's it? | 20:41 |
| kerio | is symbian bearable? | 20:41 |
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| RST38h | Mohammad: OMG you got an N8! | 20:41 |
| MohammadAG | (also, why are there scratched parts in my N900?) | 20:41 |
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| RST38h | Mohammad: it is cocroaches, they infiltrate your N900 at night | 20:41 |
| MohammadAG | I've had it for a month... | 20:42 |
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| MohammadAG | or over a month | 20:42 |
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| MohammadAG | kerio, it's bearable | 20:42 |
| MohammadAG | more than Symbian^1 | 20:42 |
| MohammadAG | and the UI's smoother than the iPhone's (weird, isn't it...) | 20:42 |
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| MohammadAG | http://mohammadag.xceleo.org/n900-disassembly/ | 20:43 |
| SpeedEvil | Why're you taking it apart? | 20:44 |
| MohammadAG | was kinda bored, and checked the GPS antenna | 20:44 |
| MohammadAG | I need a new B-cover apparently | 20:45 |
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| SpeedEvil | You saw that link to the spares site? | 20:45 |
| SpeedEvil | I dunno if the 'dummy n900' would work for you | 20:45 |
| SpeedEvil | http://www.ownta.com/compatible-nokia-n900-cell-phone-fullset-housing.html | 20:46 |
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| MohammadAG | nah, doesn't look like a full B cover | 20:48 |
| MohammadAG | SpeedEvil, I might ignore it, save the money for something else, it's nothing serious | 20:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer | dn't see the issue with back-cover. But it seems you got a broken screw there | 20:56 |
| ds3 | p | 20:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | which is especially nasty for the part of the thread still sitting in the slider mech | 20:57 |
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| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, which pic? | 21:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer | err, closed them. It's (barely) visible on all pic anyway | 21:01 |
| MohammadAG | oh, that | 21:02 |
| MohammadAG | I took it out, it wasn't broken, but it doesn't seem to screw in tightly | 21:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | compare closely to the other screws | 21:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | also test what's with the threaded hole in slide mechanism, try to turn in a screw right now when disassembled. unlock latches and remove antenna assembly | 21:06 |
| MohammadAG | I'd say the next disassembly they'd all break | 21:06 |
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| MohammadAG | I removed it when I disassembled it | 21:09 |
| MohammadAG | basically removed everything, except the AV plug and the speakers | 21:09 |
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| Juozapas | hi | 21:32 |
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| Juozapas | how to change stand by clock background picture ? | 21:32 |
| disco_stu | Juozapas, hi | 21:32 |
| Juozapas | any ideas | 21:33 |
| Juozapas | ? | 21:33 |
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| GAN900 | Juozapas, it's a theming thing. | 21:34 |
| GAN900 | Juozapas, not sure where the bitmap is, though. | 21:34 |
| piggz | woo, my phone has been up for >21 hours, its some kind of accomplishment after this weekend! | 21:35 |
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| Juozapas | it will be nice just to put another image file with the same name instead | 21:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://wiki.maemo.org/Customizing_Maemo#Where_are_the_slider_screen_files_located.3F | 21:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | usr/share/themes/alpha/backgrounds/lockslider.png | 21:40 |
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| Juozapas | DocScrutinizer: thx, man | 21:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=491060&postcount=403 :-D | 21:51 |
| Juozapas | ;]] | 21:53 |
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| mece | whoa! Wine in qemu. Mind officially boggled. | 22:29 |
| mece | (Didn't see that thread before) | 22:30 |
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| kerio | yo dawg etc. etc. | 22:31 |
| mece | umm.. | 22:33 |
| mece | kerio, hello to you too :) | 22:33 |
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| kerio | ... | 22:36 |
| kerio | i meant... | 22:36 |
| kerio | nevermind | 22:36 |
| kerio | how's it going, mece? | 22:36 |
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| mece | kerio, it's ok. I'm wondering if I want to try running wine on my n900 | 22:43 |
| mece | seems like a lot of work. | 22:43 |
| kerio | i bet it runs smoothly once you get rid of tracker and pulseaudio | 22:43 |
| mece | hm | 22:44 |
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| mece | I think I'll look into it tomorrow. | 22:44 |
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| trumee | I have this strange problem in Vim. If i select any text, the mode automatically changes to 'Visual' and i lose anyway to copy the text. | 22:46 |
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| trumee | The status bar shows 'Paste' rather than 'Copy'. | 22:46 |
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| trumee | This is not the busybox vi rather the full vim. | 22:47 |
| trumee | anybody come across this? | 22:47 |
| Choom | select the text in visual mode | 22:48 |
| Choom | then press 'y' | 22:48 |
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| Choom | and then 'p' to paste ahead of the cursor or shift+p to paste at the cursor | 22:48 |
| trumee | Choom: yes, but i want to copy text from Vim and paste it into Micro-b | 22:49 |
| trumee | y and p will only work inside Vim. | 22:49 |
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| Choom | ah, I see | 22:50 |
| trumee | Choom: can you replicate that on your device? | 22:51 |
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| Choom | well you can always disabled xterm recognition in .vimrc by disabling ttymouse | 22:52 |
| Choom | *disable | 22:52 |
| Choom | don't know, checking | 22:52 |
| Choom | no | 22:54 |
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| Choom | on my phone vim does not recognize the mouse on xterm | 22:55 |
| Choom | so I can copy/paste stuff normally | 22:55 |
| trumee | hmm. how does your vimrc look like? | 22:55 |
| Choom | you can, however, shift+select stuff on an xterm to disable the xterm mouse functionality | 22:56 |
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| trumee | Choom: thanks. Shift select works fine. | 22:57 |
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| trumee | Choom: how can i disable ttymouse? | 22:59 |
| trumee | Choom: set ttymouse= ? | 22:59 |
| Choom | :set ttym= should do the trick | 23:00 |
| Choom | or ttymouse | 23:00 |
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| Choom | ttym is the abbreviated name | 23:01 |
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| trumee | Choom: if i specity "set ttym=" in .vimrc it doesnt work. However if i do :set ttym= in an open vim session, it works. | 23:02 |
| Choom | works here, don't know, perhaps its being reset later in the script | 23:04 |
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| Choom | it's* | 23:05 |
| trumee | Choom: ah now it works. i had to get rid of set mouse=a | 23:05 |
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| trumee | Choom: thanks for your help | 23:07 |
| Choom | np | 23:07 |
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| johnsq | Hi | 23:18 |
| NooBmonk3y | heya | 23:19 |
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| thp | NooBmonk3y: how's your little app progressing? | 23:38 |
| NooBmonk3y | little? lol :P | 23:39 |
| NooBmonk3y | its a redesign of healthcheck :) | 23:39 |
| alterego | Awwww :) | 23:39 |
| NooBmonk3y | ok little compared to the big boys :p | 23:39 |
| NooBmonk3y | but very well thank you! :) | 23:39 |
| NooBmonk3y | i keep hitting qmobility bugs though :( | 23:39 |
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| thp | like? | 23:39 |
| NooBmonk3y | ie accelerometer etc does not work on maemo yet :( | 23:39 |
| thp | it does, afaik | 23:40 |
| NooBmonk3y | http://bugreports.qt.nokia.com/browse/QTMOBILITY-326 | 23:40 |
| thp | at least one axis | 23:40 |
| NooBmonk3y | ahhh | 23:40 |
| NooBmonk3y | one is better than none :P | 23:40 |
| NooBmonk3y | i'm getting 0 atm | 23:40 |
| MohammadAG | what's a good C IDE? | 23:41 |
| alterego | Sensors API is not in 1.0.0 | 23:41 |
| alterego | MohammadAG: erm .. Qt Creator? ^.^ | 23:41 |
| thp | "Note that Qt Mobility 1.0.1 somewhat alleviates this problem by not setting the data rate or output range by default." | 23:41 |
| MohammadAG | C, not C++/Qt :P | 23:41 |
| steinex | MohammadAG, eclipse with plugin | 23:41 |
| alterego | Same different :P | 23:41 |
| alterego | God no, don't use Eclipse .. | 23:41 |
| Corsac | geany? | 23:42 |
| MohammadAG | alterego, Qt Creator gives me those red/green underlines on C code | 23:42 |
| steinex | ehm... whats wrong with eclipse? | 23:42 |
| alterego | It sucks | 23:42 |
| MohammadAG | lol | 23:42 |
| NooBmonk3y | alterego, using 1.1 | 23:42 |
| alterego | It's slow, stodgy and messy | 23:42 |
| Corsac | and java | 23:42 |
| alterego | NooBmonk3y: it's not available in 1.1? | 23:42 |
| NooBmonk3y | well, not working | 23:42 |
| alterego | eesh | 23:42 |
| NooBmonk3y | but it may be me | 23:43 |
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| MohammadAG | NooBmonk3y, actually, pr1.3 has 1.0.2 | 23:43 |
| alterego | NooBmonk3y: you'll have to use the native sysfs interface then :/ | 23:43 |
| NooBmonk3y | MohammadAG, it may do | 23:43 |
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| * NooBmonk3y is beating the rush so to speak lol | 23:43 | |
| MohammadAG | alterego, so, any other IDEs? | 23:43 |
| alterego | MohammadAG: GNU/Linux right? Or windows IDE? | 23:43 |
| MohammadAG | GNU/Linux | 23:43 |
| MohammadAG | preferably not a K* app :P | 23:44 |
| alterego | tbh, when I'm coding in C, I just use gedit with a crap load of plugins installed ^.^ | 23:44 |
| NooBmonk3y | hehe :P | 23:44 |
| NooBmonk3y | i wish i was that confident | 23:44 |
| steinex | MohammadAG, http://www.eclipse.org/downloads/packages/eclipse-ide-cc-developers/heliossr1 | 23:44 |
| NooBmonk3y | but still learning :P | 23:44 |
| MohammadAG | i use gedit at the moment, but Qt Creator got me thinking of getting an IDE :P | 23:44 |
| steinex | try it. | 23:44 |
| NooBmonk3y | if qtcreator was polished i'd be happier but if i get stuck i move on to the next bit, things allways work after a break :) | 23:44 |
| thp | i just hope FakeVim mode gets extended in Qt Creator.. so that it's more useful | 23:45 |
| NooBmonk3y | lol :P true! :) | 23:45 |
| NooBmonk3y | thp, did you ever see the old healthcheck? (Well current one?) | 23:45 |
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| MohammadAG | don't cat the code, it's safer that way | 23:46 |
| thp | no, why? | 23:46 |
| MohammadAG | :P | 23:46 |
| NooBmonk3y | the new one is actually quick, works, and so far is about 60-70% there, and i started 2 weeks ago, (having never done c++/qt properly) :) - the old one was created in under 1 month, with never having done python :)P | 23:46 |
| MohammadAG | steinex, on N900, will try it tomorrow | 23:46 |
| pupnik | 21:48 < mru> sw always makes hw look more complicated | 23:46 |
| pupnik | 21:48 < mru> I think it's called "abstraction" | 23:46 |
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| NooBmonk3y | allthough much to doc's dismay i use this place to teach me :) | 23:46 |
| NooBmonk3y | its really just a system information display | 23:47 |
| NooBmonk3y | but came from the idea that the average joe, like me just dont understand terminal, so basically printed out all the info | 23:47 |
| alterego | NooBmonk3y: it's what I'd do if I was in a similar situation :) | 23:47 |
| NooBmonk3y | hehehe :) | 23:47 |
| NooBmonk3y | alterego, i have to admit, to credit of this place and tmo.... i learnt ;) - and and i'm impressed | 23:48 |
| thp | i know i have one pixel that is the opposite of a dead pixel, but the rest is working fine, so i didn't really have a use case for it i guess | 23:48 |
| NooBmonk3y | it may be an odd may, but along a full time job, i managed to publish 4 or 5 extras apps lol | 23:48 |
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| thp | NooBmonk3y: you can write quick code in python, too | 23:48 |
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| NooBmonk3y | hehehe thp, the idea is to be a bit more then that, but again, aimed at people who dont know how to do it themselves, like me :P | 23:49 |
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| * MohammadAG hates python, at least on maemo :P | 23:49 | |
| thp | MohammadAG: why? | 23:49 |
| alterego | NooBmonk3y: that's more than me without a job at all ;) | 23:49 |
| NooBmonk3y | thp true, but was very slow getting all the terminal calls, and also, didnt have an easy gui like qtcreator at the time | 23:49 |
| alterego | I have one published maemo app in extras .. | 23:49 |
| MohammadAG | thp, sorta slowish | 23:49 |
| NooBmonk3y | the fx are awfull in the current devel/testing/extras healthcheck | 23:49 |
| NooBmonk3y | lol alterego :P | 23:49 |
| MohammadAG | thp, compare PSFreedom's python and C++ versions | 23:50 |
| MohammadAG | 12s vs 4s startup time | 23:50 |
| thp | i'm already on 3.50 :p | 23:50 |
| NooBmonk3y | the new one has 9 stackedwidgets, and shoots through | 23:50 |
| alterego | And that's if you're lucky ... | 23:50 |
| NooBmonk3y | albeit very messy code ;) | 23:50 |
| Dassu | vitutukseni. | 23:50 |
| NooBmonk3y | darn i need to figure out git so i can show how i'm doing lol | 23:50 |
| korhojoa | Dassu, häh | 23:51 |
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| NooBmonk3y | some sod *cough* pursuaded me to move from win 7 to ubuntu to develop easier, have to admit it helps, but the GF hates me :p | 23:51 |
| thp | once it's up and running, it's quite fast for ui-driven apps. startup speed is a little slow, yes. | 23:51 |
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| NooBmonk3y | yeah good point thp, not great for all the terminal calls :P | 23:51 |
| NooBmonk3y | load up the extras healthcheck and you will see ;) | 23:51 |
| NooBmonk3y | its also uuuuuugleeeeeey :P | 23:52 |
| Arkenoi | NooBmonk3y, why? | 23:52 |
| MohammadAG | thp, i never tested half of my app | 23:52 |
| alterego | NooBmonk3y you could have virtualised ;) | 23:52 |
| MohammadAG | thp, i only jailbroke my PS3 twice or three times | 23:52 |
| Arkenoi | i mean why does she hate you :-) | 23:52 |
| NooBmonk3y | Arkenoi, why to what? | 23:52 |
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| alterego | That's what I do when I develop for windows, have a nice VM ^.^ | 23:52 |
| NooBmonk3y | alterego, pc just couldnt handle it | 23:52 |
| thp | NooBmonk3y: is there a source repo that i can check out directly or do i have to grab the source from the tarball? | 23:52 |
| MohammadAG | PS3 has an uptime of 00:00:00 :P | 23:52 |
| NooBmonk3y | thp, erm, is in extras, testing and devel, no other places (old one) | 23:53 |
| * MohammadAG told NooBmonk3y to get a git repo | 23:53 | |
| jacekowski | thp: apt-get source app-name | 23:53 |
| NooBmonk3y | new one, erm, i need to figur eout igt | 23:53 |
| NooBmonk3y | figure our git* | 23:53 |
| MohammadAG | jacekowski, not yet in devel | 23:53 |
| NooBmonk3y | and drink less wine lol | 23:53 |
| MohammadAG | NooBmonk3y, you're on ubuntu right? | 23:53 |
| NooBmonk3y | MohammadAG, told but didnt walk me through it ;) | 23:53 |
| NooBmonk3y | MohammadAG, darn you! yes | 23:53 |
| MohammadAG | i'm assuming your source is in /home/greg/healthcheck | 23:53 |
| MohammadAG | amiright? | 23:53 |
| NooBmonk3y | nope | 23:54 |
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| MohammadAG | i hate you | 23:54 |
| NooBmonk3y | it's on an external hdd | 23:54 |
| Arkenoi | my GF uses windows, i gave her one notebook with ubuntu and another one with macos, she barely noticed the difference except qip vs pidgin vs audium which she found irrelevant anyways | 23:54 |
| MohammadAG | :P | 23:54 |
| NooBmonk3y | Arkenoi, my missus is blonde....... | 23:54 |
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| alterego | My fg uses ubuntu desktop on a Dell Mini 9 | 23:54 |
| alterego | ~gf .. | 23:54 |
| infobot | .. and gf sitting in a tree k-i-s-s-i-n-g | 23:54 |
| MohammadAG | racist | 23:54 |
| NooBmonk3y | alterego, futureego? fg? | 23:54 |
| MohammadAG | LOL | 23:54 |
| alterego | ;) | 23:54 |
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| MohammadAG | fg, try it in terminal :P | 23:55 |
| NooBmonk3y | lol | 23:55 |
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| GAN900 | Ubuntu irritated me on the Mini 9 | 23:55 |
| korhojoa | :D | 23:55 |
| MohammadAG | NooBmonk3y, anyways | 23:55 |
| GAN900 | Like OS X on it more. | 23:55 |
| NooBmonk3y | thp, the source of the old healthcheck will burn your eyeballs | 23:55 |
| MohammadAG | NooBmonk3y, make a repo on gitorious.org | 23:55 |
| MohammadAG | go to your source dir | 23:55 |
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| NooBmonk3y | MohammadAG, a new one? or just overwrite the old one? | 23:55 |
| RST38h | Moo, GAN. | 23:56 |
| MohammadAG | NooBmonk3y, idk lol, probably a new one inside your old one | 23:56 |
| thp | NooBmonk3y: "os.popen('cat /sys/devices/platform/gpio-switch/cam_shutter/state').read()" -> ... | 23:56 |
| MohammadAG | anyways, follow the instructions | 23:56 |
| MohammadAG | git init | 23:56 |
| NooBmonk3y | lol thp ;) | 23:56 |
| MohammadAG | (instructions from gitorious.org) | 23:56 |
| NooBmonk3y | thp if it works why not ;) | 23:56 |
| MohammadAG | then git commit and git push | 23:56 |
| thp | NooBmonk3y: needs to fork a process, which is slow. you should open and read the file directly, obviously. don't blame python for slowness there :p | 23:57 |
| NooBmonk3y | from the right directory i assume? | 23:57 |
| NooBmonk3y | heheh :P | 23:57 |
| MohammadAG | NooBmonk3y, cause you're spawning a shell each time you do that, thus wasting memory :P | 23:57 |
| NooBmonk3y | that bit wasnt the slow bit ;) | 23:57 |
| NooBmonk3y | but yeah | 23:57 |
| NooBmonk3y | i agree | 23:57 |
| MohammadAG | NooBmonk3y, yep, source directory | 23:57 |
| thp | NooBmonk3y: what was the slow bit? | 23:58 |
| MohammadAG | or just use tools / git in Qt Creator | 23:58 |
| NooBmonk3y | MohammadAG, how do i cd to a directory with a space? :P | 23:58 |
| NooBmonk3y | darn external HDD | 23:58 |
| MohammadAG | cd /this\ is\ a\ dir\ with\ spaces/ | 23:59 |
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| korhojoa | :D | 23:59 |
| thp | or easier: cd "/this is a dir with spaces/" | 23:59 |
| korhojoa | i hate escaping | 23:59 |
| MohammadAG | or use cd "/this is a dir with spaces" | 23:59 |
| MohammadAG | i love escaping :P | 23:59 |
| NooBmonk3y | greg@zingelspc:/media$ cd "/FreeAgent Drive" | 23:59 |
| NooBmonk3y | bash: cd: /FreeAgent Drive: No such file or directory | 23:59 |
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