IRC log of #maemo for Monday, 2010-11-22

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NooBmonk3y	night alls :)	00:00
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sjk	lardman\|home, what do you mean?	00:04
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lardman\|home	I mean that you no longer need to create a separate connection, fmms should do it for you behind the scenese	00:05
lardman\|home	this means it won't be available for other apps to use	00:05
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sjk	Hmm	00:05
lardman\|home	so remove the connection, then add the details to the settings in fmms	00:06
lardman\|home	you probably need to use fmms or the fmms helper to remove the connection too	00:06
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newbie007	is there such a program that will record video and upload it to an offsite server instantly ?	00:07
newbie007	also encrypted file on local device	00:07
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sjk	lardman\|home, I cannot seem to delete the MMS connection	00:08
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lardman\|home	yep, see if there's an option in fmms, otherwise iirc there was a program that went with fmms to create and remove connections	00:08
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lardman\|home	fAPN	00:09
lardman\|home	is the name	00:09
DocScrutinizer	frals is he name :-D	00:09
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lardman\|home	well yeah, but no need to bother him yet ;)	00:09
DocScrutinizer	:-)	00:09
* sjk installs fAPN		00:10
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* kerio votes that fAPN is renamed Fap'n		00:12
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DocScrutinizer	fapman	00:15
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DocScrutinizer	hell, how much better whould've been e.g. faster-AM	00:16
DocScrutinizer	or FAM	00:17
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DocScrutinizer	I'd have to see if I can dig out one of those list from marketing, with all the 2 letter, 3 letter, and word blacklists.	00:19
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DocScrutinizer	I'm sure ^fap* is one of the killer regex in there	00:20
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Creteil	hi all	00:27
Creteil	Is there a way to launch osso-xterm without toolbar, in fullscreen and with specified font size ?	00:27
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lardman\|home	sjk: got it sorted?	00:29
alterego	Anyone know of a good desktop linux app that can talk to bluetooth GPS'?	00:29
alterego	By good I mean neat :)	00:29
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lardman\|home	night all	00:31
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Jaffa	Creteil: NAFAIK	00:33
Creteil	Jaffa, :-( bad news	00:34
Creteil	No way to launch a console application with font params and in fullscreen so ...	00:35
Creteil	tsss	00:35
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pupnik	Origin of Kinect revealed: http://www.cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=19567.0 heads up	00:35
DocScrutinizer	ask inz	00:36
DocScrutinizer	http://inz.fi/blog/category/geeky/maemo/maemo-hackers/osso-xterm/	00:36
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DocScrutinizer	Jaffa: Creteil: at least font size is stored somewhere iirc. So you'd think you could change that setting in storage location (probably gconf) prior to osso-xterm startup	00:45
DocScrutinizer	pretty unclean and ugly, but...	00:46
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mc_teo	hey	00:46
mc_teo	my emails are reportable all wrong address?	00:47
mc_teo	what could be the problem?	00:47
Creteil	DocScrutinizer, sure it's ugly, would be better if command line parameters be implemented ...	00:47
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DocScrutinizer	cmdline parameters are supposed to be those of xterm I'd say	00:47
mc_teo	i think is because of captchas or something equally silly	00:47
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DocScrutinizer	mc_teo: sorry, can't parse	00:48
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mc_teo	me?	00:48
mc_teo	when my email accounts try to update	00:48
mc_teo	they all come up a wrong username/password	00:49
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mc_teo	and ask me to edit settings	00:49
mc_teo	they are all right	00:49
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ShadowJK	Ovi feels really international. the first page is in dutch, but offers me english. I log in, and ovi is now in swedish. I click the music store link, and ovi becomes finnish	00:51
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alterego	Oh ...	00:54
alterego	I have to configure baud settings ..	00:54
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alterego	Oh, I shouldn't have to ..	00:55
tugrik	heh ShadowJK, yeah, the site feels a little half finished ;)	00:57
tugrik	any tips on how to set the title of an xterm window on my N900?	00:57
alterego	-t ?	00:57
tugrik	ah, would like to change it while using it, rather than when I start it off	00:58
tugrik	plus I tend to start them from the menu at the top anyway	00:58
DocScrutinizer51	there's an ansi esc sequence to do that	00:59
tugrik	yeah, doesn't seem to be working for me.... wondered if I was doing something wrong	00:59
alterego	DocScrutinizer51: does it work with osso-xterm though? ;)	00:59
DocScrutinizer51	inz mentioned he implemented title support sometime in 2007	01:00
DocScrutinizer51	see link posted above	01:01
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DocScrutinizer51	if it doesn't work with stck osso-xterm then that's a reason to get a better term emu	01:02
DocScrutinizer51	damn, I seem to remember things like --invert	01:04
DocScrutinizer51	did I dream that?	01:04
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* ShadowJK sighs		01:15
ShadowJK	So if you buy an album of music from ovi music	01:15
ShadowJK	you get download links to every individual song	01:15
ShadowJK	their filenames are just "song,mp3", without artist name, album, or track name	01:16
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DocScrutinizer51	ShadowJK: who cares? According to Nokia's philosophy user should"mt bother at all about filenames etc, there's tracker to sort things for you	01:19
DocScrutinizer51	~snack	01:19
* infobot snack? yes yeaaas yeaaaaaaaaaaas pleaaase :P		01:19
DocScrutinizer51	I'd just die of laughter when second download's song1.mp3 overwrites first song1	01:21
tugrik	yeah, i can set the title from the command line, but I'm trying to set up the "echo -e ..." as an alias, and not getting that bit correct	01:21
ShadowJK	tracker shit isn't portable	01:22
DocScrutinizer51	orly?	01:22
alterego	read, -1 bytes, wtf?!	01:22
ShadowJK	I mean the data is hidden in some mysterious format somewhere	01:22
* alterego is confused.		01:23
ShadowJK	alterego, check errno	01:23
DocScrutinizer51	tracker as used in maemo is as idiotic as dos1.1	01:23
ShadowJK	So if I move files to, say, an mp3 player, that has way too little cpu to run any fancy id3 parsing, all stuff is in some random order	01:24
DocScrutinizer51	yes	01:24
ShadowJK	whereas if music is as Artist/Album/number_Songname.mp3, I have a browseable in-order music experience	01:24
DocScrutinizer51	btw, DOES it even HAVE id3?	01:24
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ShadowJK	I'm about to find out	01:25
DocScrutinizer51	loses	01:25
DocScrutinizer51	losers even	01:25
ShadowJK	it even has album picture in id3..	01:25
ShadowJK	I'm going to email them and suggest thet provide configurable naming and directory hierarchy and .rar "imager" ;-)	01:26
alterego	"Invalid or incomplete multibyte or wide character" wtf?! :D	01:27
ShadowJK	are you using threads	01:29
alterego	Nope	01:29
alterego	Why would read do that ..	01:29
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ShadowJK	oh god, now I'm getting dual-language sentences	01:30
DocScrutinizer51	lol	01:31
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Lantizia	Beep!	01:31
DocScrutinizer51	OVI, Nokia's running gag	01:31
Lantizia	Imagine if the "beep" package was ported... you loose your N900... so you SSH to it and force it to make a noise :)	01:32
ShadowJK	Website <title> in dutch, "Hello" in english and finnish	01:32
SpeedEvil	err	01:32
Lantizia	more geeky than simply ringing it lol	01:32
DocScrutinizer51	play-sound /dev/urandom	01:32
SpeedEvil	Nokia-N900-02-8:~# cat /usr/local/bin/beep	01:32
SpeedEvil	#!/bin/sh	01:32
SpeedEvil	play-sound /usr/share/sounds/game-chess_checkmate.wav	01:32
Lantizia	must be downstairs lol	01:33
* ShadowJK wonders where to see a list of things purchased and if things can be redownloaded		01:33
Lantizia	ShadowJK, on Ovi?	01:34
ShadowJK	yes	01:34
Lantizia	it's "My Stuff" and yeah you download as much you want	01:34
ShadowJK	I dont even see a my stuff link	01:34
Lantizia	it's the last item on the top bar of the ovi site when signed in	01:34
ShadowJK	well on Ovi Store yeah, but not on Ovi Music	01:35
Lantizia	aaah never used music sorry	01:35
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ShadowJK	on main ovi site when logged in, top right is Anonymous, Account, Support, sign out	01:35
Lantizia	im on about ovi store though when viewing on the n900 itself	01:36
ShadowJK	urgh, there's some nonfunctional "Oh look we're awesome" void() page when I try opera	01:38
ShadowJK	can't even log in	01:38
* ShadowJK was hoping to get full desktop music.ovi page and finding a "my stuff"-like link		01:39
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joli	oi	01:39
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ShadowJK	I click "Support", and get: "Etsintätulokset: Error: restricted with below filters"	01:42
* ShadowJK thinks: "Huh?"		01:43
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ShadowJK	hah, I tricked it by adding a /pc to the url, and it gave me the full normal uncastrated webpage	01:46
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* DocScrutinizer gasps		01:46
ShadowJK	with promising "Music-account", and "Downloads information" links	01:46
ShadowJK	ah, seems I could redownload from there	01:47
DocScrutinizer	isn't that quite sad?	01:47
ShadowJK	except microb hung when I tapped the download link	01:47
DocScrutinizer	muhahaha	01:47
DocScrutinizer	a really great and convenient user experience	01:48
ShadowJK	Well it didn't hang per se, the download link turned into a spinning circle thing that spun 3 quarter of a circle and then stopped. the entire page stopped working, though browser still responded	01:48
DocScrutinizer	I found just one positive thing about OVI and N900: videos from OVI look better on N900 than they do on my laptop	01:49
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ShadowJK	oh second attempt it popped up (inside the webpage) a fakedialog asking if I want to redownload	01:50
DocScrutinizer	this might be due to my really lazy and poor laptop video codec maintenance though	01:50
DocScrutinizer	joy of ecmascript?	01:51
ShadowJK	the fakedialog insists to self-center, which makes it impossible to zoom in on :D	01:51
DocScrutinizer	ROTFL	01:51
ShadowJK	because when I zoom in on the download button, it centers itself and download button is moved offscreen	01:52
* DocScrutinizer wonders how those web "programmers" always manage to never user their own dogfood on the intended target platform		01:53
Dassu	y	01:53
ShadowJK	to be fair, this is the /pc "platform"	01:54
ShadowJK	the redownload doesn't seem to be available from the default interface offered when visiting music store with n900	01:54
DocScrutinizer	"see, it works like a charm" (when running off cache/local-HDD, on a Mac with a 3GHz quad core)	01:55
DocScrutinizer	ShadowJK: this lil "phone" is much better than my prev laptop ever could get	01:55
DocScrutinizer	I wonder/hope if there's a special hell for those web "programmers"	01:57
ShadowJK	"{Missing display text mapping for 'softkey.options' in language 'fi'}"	01:57
sp3000	timeless_mbp: so, there's a lot of stuff (potentially, at least)	01:57
sp3000	I could use a "purpose of the document" brief, as in, what sort of change it wants to effect	01:58
ShadowJK	great, could you just give me english then?	01:58
DocScrutinizer	tana_fi FTW - MUHAHA	01:58
sp3000	to, you know, guide edits :)	01:58
sp3000	....tana	01:58
sp3000	(it more or less matches mmit_en)	01:59
* alterego yawns		02:00
sp3000	sounds like a plan	02:00
* sp3000 &		02:00
DocScrutinizer	how nuts must be a developer team that makes my N810 diablo display a requester like "[tana_fi_appstarter_load_application]"	02:02
ShadowJK	the "pc" website is also trying to convince me to download adobe flash now and then :)	02:02
DocScrutinizer	hooray for that	02:03
DocScrutinizer	SEVEN hells	02:03
* ShadowJK wonders how to make .ovi. use just english instead of the current mix of 4 languages..		02:03
DocScrutinizer	...for web "programmers" exclusively	02:03
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ShadowJK	lol	02:05
ShadowJK	I found a language setting, and it stuck for, well, only the settings change confirmation page	02:05
DocScrutinizer	the prototype of "oh well, it'll probably mess up and break everything except MSIE-4711.1.23.4.5, but that bouncing dot is just TOO COOL!!"	02:06
ShadowJK	and then reverted back to navigation links in english and content in mostly finnish	02:06
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ShadowJK	positively I haven't seen dutch in awhile, which is good because I don't really understand it :D	02:08
DocScrutinizer	"so please install flash27.3 [link to BS], as this site won't work without that. But then, no other site has such a cool bouncing dot"	02:08
ShadowJK	oh well, in the end I did manage to download a DRM-free music album in 256kbit/s mp3	02:09
DocScrutinizer	great! I prefer to buy the CD, or even the vinyl	02:09
ShadowJK	considering the sophistication of ripping software, that'd probably been easier and faster :)	02:11
ShadowJK	Last cd I bought was in 2000, when it didn't play in my PC's cd playe	02:11
ShadowJK	r	02:11
ShadowJK	due to some drm crap	02:12
DocScrutinizer	yes. This whole crap feel slike controlling your toilet paper dispenser with a mainframe, just to get poor quality paper (good one will not be compatible to the dispenser mechanic)	02:12
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DocScrutinizer	unless it's at least flac, on half the price of the record in CD or vinyl - it can rot unnoticed for me	02:15
DocScrutinizer	and nota bene a coninuous media file, with a proper cut sheet, so I don't get those annoying breaks between songs of e.g. Pink Floyd	02:16
DocScrutinizer	this whole mp3 crap is indigestible fast food by design	02:19
ShadowJK	it was almost exactly half price of cd	02:19
ShadowJK	yeah, .flac with .cue is nice format too	02:19
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DocScrutinizer	n8	02:20
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macmaN	hi gents	02:53
macmaN	if i wanted to patch n900's media player, where is the source tree for it	02:56
macmaN	http://maemo.org/development/sources/ ?	02:58
SpeedEvil	There is no source.	02:59
Robot101	the UI is not open - the backend might be - called mafw	02:59
Robot101	https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/trunk/?root=mafw	02:59
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macmaN	crap, the ui is not open? well thats a big booboo on my plans	03:00
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macmaN	i think the whole thing is a quite well done piece of media player, i'd like to add Love button and add an automatic playlist for those	03:02
macmaN	i've come to like it better than mediabox..	03:03
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BCMM	am i right in saying that all the DSP stuff is implemented in gstreamer plugins, and that any application that plays audio and video using gstreamers gets to use the DSP?	03:13
BCMM	^gstreamer	03:13
Robot101	BCMM: right	03:14
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SpeedEvil	IF the codec is one of the DSP accelerated codecs	03:16
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robbiethe1st	Hey all.	03:36
DocScrutinizer	hi Robot101	03:36
Robot101	DocScrutinizer: hey! :P	03:37
robbiethe1st	Hm... Anyone know how to turn off autocomplete for xchat on Maemo?	03:42
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SpeedEvil	you mean nick autocomplte?	03:44
robbiethe1st	No, text-autocomplete	03:49
robbiethe1st	When I type in the text box, I get all sorts of suggestions, and it's quite annoying.	03:50
BCMM	robbiethe1st: you can turn it off globally in settings	03:51
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robbiethe1st	Ah, thanks.	03:54
robbiethe1st	Problem solved.	03:54
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pupnik	marklar	04:30
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iluminator101	is there app similar to bd remote in driod in maemo?	05:31
iluminator101	is there an app similar to bd remote in driod in maemo?	05:34
pupnik	what?	05:35
pupnik	is there an app similar to fapm in android?	05:35
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iluminator101	has anyone used wireshark in n900 do i have to give it permission to run, is dumpcap available in repos	06:19
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pupnik	1) yes 2) iirc it needs root 3) i don't know	06:24
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jase21	Suppose I messed the N900 (Maemo OS). Does flashing the restore the phone to original state?	06:34
pupnik	if you flash with the original image, basically yes	06:35
psycho_oreos	~flashing	06:36
infobot	i guess flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware	06:36
jase21	Where can I get the original image? (You mean like PR 1.2, PR 1.3)?	06:36
psycho_oreos	read the link infobot gave	06:36
DocScrutinizer51	bot not allowed in jeopardy :-P	06:40
* jase21 is reading that link		06:41
psycho_oreos	what's that supposed to mean? when you need the bot in vain? :)	06:41
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jase21	~hello	06:44
infobot	Howdy Bub	06:44
jase21	~hello	06:44
infobot	Howdy Bub	06:44
jase21	~hi	06:44
infobot	hello, jase21	06:45
jase21	~are you stupid	06:45
infobot	yeah	06:45
jase21	~I know that.	06:45
infobot	You know that.?	06:45
jase21	Is the infobot just matching from the database?	06:45
jase21	The link clarifies it. Now I think I can do play with Maemo without fear	06:46
jase21	When I connect online Maemo pops up an update notification. Its around 80 MB. Is that PR 1.3 update?	06:48
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Jay_BEE	re	06:51
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Termana	good morning	07:38
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Jaffa	Morning, all	09:38
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djszapi	How can I use '~' character (home directory) on my N900	10:13
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johnx	hit the 'fn' key then 'sym/ctrl'	10:14
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djszapi	which is the 'fn' key ?	10:15
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Appiah	'sym'	10:15
Appiah	below the 'sym' :D	10:15
Appiah	blue arrow	10:15
djszapi	does not work for me.	10:16
johnx	does it pop up the list of symbols?	10:16
djszapi	ah okay, it works now, I did something wrong	10:16
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Appiah	:)	10:16
djszapi	so I can choose this character there, koolish.	10:16
johnx	and you have to hit ~ twice before it adds it	10:16
djszapi	yeah, kool	10:17
djszapi	why does not the alias work in 'sudo gainroot' ?	10:17
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djszapi	I have set the /home/user/.profile and /root/.profile and it works as the 'user' user, but not as this 'sudo gainroot' stuff.	10:18
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johnx	djszapi, it might not be a 'login' shell when you gainroot, so .profile may not be read? (might be wrong)	10:19
djszapi	no idea.	10:19
johnx	does it work if you manually source .profile after sudo gainroot?	10:19
djszapi	it opens up /home/user/.profile when I type vim ~/.profile in 'sudo gainroot' mode.	10:19
johnx	yeah, so it's not running a login shell for gainroot	10:20
djszapi	yeah, if I source it 'manually' then it works.	10:20
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djszapi	so how can I alias for the 'root' ?	10:20
johnx	i dunno if ash reads something like a .ashrc. try and google and see if it does	10:20
djszapi	* do an alias	10:21
djszapi	well, profile is what you need there according to the google results.	10:21
djszapi	but we see that it just does not work.	10:21
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johnx	yes. with bash, .profile is read for login shells, and .bashrc is read for other shells	10:21
djszapi	http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=38524	10:21
RST38h	heya johnx	10:22
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johnx	hey RST38h	10:22
johnx	djszapi, google: ash .ashrc	10:22
timeless_mbp	sp3000: hrm, yeah, i suppose a purpose could be a good idea	10:22
johnx	RST38h, how is your side of the planet?	10:23
djszapi	maybe /etc/profile.	10:23
djszapi	johnx: ashrc does not work	10:23
djszapi	nor an ultimate solution though.	10:24
djszapi	'/etc/profile' does not work either :/	10:24
johnx	what about ~/.ashrc, the . is kinda important	10:26
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djszapi	I have already told you more times it does not work.	10:27
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johnx	you told me "ashrc" doesn't work. and you definitely didn't do the google search I suggested	10:28
johnx	so, good luck	10:29
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djszapi	I definitely did hours ago.	10:30
johnx	http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-users/2006-January/000450.html	10:30
johnx	and you found that?	10:30
johnx	and tried it?	10:30
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djszapi	and I have told you million times it did not work ?!	10:31
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djszapi	furthermore the issue is solved what is mentioned there (for simple user...)	10:31
djszapi	but this is what I have also already told you	10:31
johnx	another question then. did you install rootsh?	10:32
djszapi	-	10:32
RST38h	johnx: cold, slightly snowy	10:32
RST38h	johnx: lights are off, probably for the next couple of months	10:33
johnx	RST38h, that outside-light? it's pretty unreliable here in the best of times	10:33
johnx	djszapi, if you just install rootsh and run root, root's .profile is sourced since it uses a login shell	10:34
djszapi	k	10:34
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djszapi	does not work here.	10:35
djszapi	after that package installation.	10:35
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djszapi	http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras_free_armel/rootsh/1.5/	10:35
johnx	so you install rootsh, you run 'root' instead of 'sudo gainroot' and export's put in root's .profile don't work?	10:36
johnx	cause they do work here...	10:36
djszapi	ahh not sudo gainroot, I see.	10:36
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djszapi	it works that way, ty.	10:36
johnx	djszapi, when you're busy criticizing me for not reading what you said, you should at least make sure you read what I said :P	10:36
djszapi	I do not think it is the time to blame anybody.	10:37
djszapi	I just did not know this rootsh package and you enlighted me how to use, everybody is happy.	10:37
johnx	glad it works for you	10:37
djszapi	ty =)	10:38
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RST38h	johnx: yea, inside works fine :)	10:40
johnx	RST38h, well, that's all that really matters. those outside-light things are basically legacy systems as far as I care	10:41
johnx	aren't they up for replacement soon?	10:41
RST38h	johnx: they are, but I am not sure humans are in the new design document	10:42
johnx	RST38h, I should make sure I get myself written in as a requirement then	10:43
kerio	DocScrutinizer: wait, why aren't split files with proper start and end times ok?	10:44
kerio	(re:music bought online)	10:44
RST38h	johnx: the specs have been sent by the upper management and we are not there =)	10:45
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johnx	guess it's time for a little bribe money to grease the wheels and good lobbyist :>	10:45
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RST38h	johnx: Haven't we crucified the last one? =)	10:48
johnx	RST38h, yeah. wonder if that's a sore point	10:49
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Venemo_N900	hi	11:05
Venemo_N900	good morning MohammadAG	11:07
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Venemo_N900	what is the hildon-initscripts package?	11:10
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johnx	Venemo_N900, apt-cache show hildon-initscripts	11:13
johnx	and for specific files: dpkg -L hildon-initscripts	11:13
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Venemo_N900	johnx: thx	11:14
johnx	in this case 'hildon' means 'miscellaneous' and 'initscripts' means 'config files and utilities'	11:14
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Venemo_N900	johnx: yeah	11:15
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Venemo_N900	but why did it get updated?	11:15
johnx	when?	11:16
johnx	with PR1.3?	11:16
Venemo_N900	no, I guess it was in the community ssu repo	11:16
Venemo_N900	just made me curious	11:16
johnx	looks like there's a version in tools	11:16
johnx	probably not a good idea to take that update unless you know it's from the community SSU ..	11:17
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johnx	mornin' crashanddie	11:17
crashanddie	morning	11:17
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Venemo_N900	johnx: maybe it was from the SDK repo? (just added that too)	11:18
johnx	yeah. that's what I meant by 'tools'	11:18
johnx	I would download it, and diff the files against the ones you have	11:18
Venemo_N900	johnx: hmm	11:19
johnx	if I had to guess, I'd bet there's a difference in 'run-standalone.sh'	11:19
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Venemo_N900	johnx: I think it would be best if I just reinstalled the right one	11:22
johnx	that's probably a good idea ;)	11:22
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Venemo_N900	johnx: why is it that (not all, but many of) the Nokia guys are morons when it comes to bugs?	11:31
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crashanddie	The answer was in the question	11:37
crashanddie	"the Nokia guys"	11:38
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Venemo_N900	crashanddie: yeah, but...	11:38
Venemo_N900	they take pride in contributing to different open source communities and everything	11:39
Venemo_N900	so why they suck with their own community then?	11:39
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Surfa	because maintenance is boring and disgusting work	11:44
crashanddie	Why can crackwhores be really nice with customers, but can't treat their own kids well for two damns?	11:44
Surfa	it's more fun to do new things	11:44
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crashanddie	Why does an abusive husband beat his own wife, but make tender love to his mistress?	11:44
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crashanddie	Most probably because he "owns" his own wife, and there's nothing exciting about trying to conquer her. The mistress, however, he's on the edge of losing if he's not careful, so he's very sweet and indulging	11:46
crashanddie	Or I can go for a car analogy if this one wasn't obvious enough...	11:46
Venemo_N900	ah	11:47
Venemo_N900	I get it	11:47
sjk	lardman\|gone, I thitnk I did, yeah. :)	11:47
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D-Iivil_Work	f.u.c.k	11:54
D-Iivil_Work	I'm failing to flash eMMC image.	11:56
D-Iivil_Work	After flashing only the kernel without reboot, I command the flasher to flash Vanilla, it finds the device, says it's gonna boot the device into flash mode, after that I see the "dots" running a while, then it stops and stays there forever and flasher tells "no suitable device found"...	11:57
Venemo_N900	D-Iivil_Work: how is that?	11:57
Venemo_N900	D-Iivil_Work: shut it down and try again	11:58
D-Iivil_Work	After that the device is in non-bootable condition. I can however flash the PR1.3 image and make the device bootable again. But I really want to be able to flash the emmc and wipe the device clean..	11:58
Venemo_N900	~flashing	11:58
infobot	well, flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware	11:58
D-Iivil_Work	Venemo_N900, I've tried like twenty times...	11:58
Venemo_N900	D-Iivil_Work: :(	11:58
Venemo_N900	D-Iivil_Work: are you tring the newest eMMc image?	11:59
D-Iivil_Work	Venemo_N900, the latest that's available at Nokia's server.	11:59
D-Iivil_Work	Just downloaded it this morning before started to trying to flash.	11:59
psycho_oreos	nokia's server?	11:59
D-Iivil_Work	But I'm gonna give Ubuntu a try if it's the old Windows XP that's failing.	11:59
D-Iivil_Work	psycho_oreos, http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N900.php	12:00
psycho_oreos	ahh that	12:00
D-Iivil_Work	Allthough the eMMC is pretty old (10.2010.13-2) compared to PR1.3 image..	12:00
psycho_oreos	I'd normally flash via fiasco image first and then the emmc	12:00
D-Iivil_Work	psycho_oreos, that's what I've been trying to do.	12:01
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D-Iivil_Work	psycho_oreos, first flashing only the kernel from PR1.3 image without reboot option, then flashing the vanilla and no-go.	12:01
psycho_oreos	D-Iivil_Work, though no reboot in between, so its flasher without the -R switch	12:01
psycho_oreos	hmm	12:01
D-Iivil_Work	I also tried to flash the full PR1.3 image with and without reboots in between and still no go with vanilla.	12:01
psycho_oreos	what if you try flashing the emmc image and then the fiasco?	12:01
D-Iivil_Work	The device just hangs when it's supposed to be booted into flashing mode.	12:02
D-Iivil_Work	psycho_oreos, tell me how to get that damn emmc flashed and I will :D	12:02
Venemo_N900	D-Iivil_Work: what is the command you use for flashing?	12:02
D-Iivil_Work	hold on..	12:02
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D-Iivil_Work	-F emmc_image_here.bin -f -R	12:02
psycho_oreos	the device shouldn't reboot iirc if you didn't use -R	12:03
D-Iivil_Work	psycho_oreos, ofcourse it doesn't boot after flashing the fiasco.	12:03
psycho_oreos	well -R will reboot the device, and so I presume you had that emmc command last?	12:03
D-Iivil_Work	psycho_oreos, yes.	12:03
D-Iivil_Work	psycho_oreos, and that's the one I can't get to pass.	12:03
Venemo_N900	D-Iivil_Work: seems ok. with what command did you flash the other image?	12:04
D-Iivil_Work	Venemo_N900, for just the fiasco: -F fiasco_image.bin --flash-only=kernel -f	12:04
D-Iivil_Work	Venemo_N900, and also: -F fiasco_image.bin -f	12:04
psycho_oreos	hmm, what if you flash the emmc first, so it'll be -F emmc_image_here.bin -f && -F fiasco_image.bin -f -R	12:05
D-Iivil_Work	Both of those are going in just nice	12:05
D-Iivil_Work	psycho_oreos, the eMMC WON'T GO IN :D	12:05
D-Iivil_Work	This is the output of the flasher:	12:05
D-Iivil_Work	USB device found found at bus 001, device address 006.	12:05
D-Iivil_Work	Found device RX-51, hardware revision 2101	12:05
D-Iivil_Work	NOLO version 1.4.13	12:05
D-Iivil_Work	Version of 'sw-release': RX-51_2009SE_1.2009.42-11.002_PR_002	12:05
D-Iivil_Work	Booting device into flash mode.	12:05
D-Iivil_Work	Suitable USB device not found, waiting.	12:05
Venemo_N900	D-Iivil_Work: ok	12:05
psycho_oreos	probably not a good idea to flash just the kernel	12:05
D-Iivil_Work	psycho_oreos, also tried to flash the full fiasco and then emmc, but still no go.	12:05
psycho_oreos	D-Iivil_Work, weird :)	12:05
Venemo_N900	D-Iivil_Work: use just -F imagename.bin -f	12:05
Venemo_N900	D-Iivil_Work: is your device bootable right now?	12:06
D-Iivil_Work	Venemo_N900, for the eMMC? It will_not_work. The command is correct.	12:06
D-Iivil_Work	Venemo_N900, yep.	12:06
Venemo_N900	D-Iivil_Work: well then turn it off	12:06
D-Iivil_Work	Venemo_N900, just flashed in the PR1.3 fiasco and I'm on the desktop.	12:06
psycho_oreos	what if you flashed with pr1.2, and then emmc and when it loads up correctly, flash it with pr1.3 fiasco?	12:07
Venemo_N900	psycho_oreos: no need	12:07
D-Iivil_Work	psycho_oreos, will try that. Donwloading the pr1.2 fiasco atm.	12:07
D-Iivil_Work	But the device is now shut down.	12:07
D-Iivil_Work	Will try to flash the emmc one more time...	12:07
Venemo_N900	D-Iivil_Work: shut it down and hold the U key like you did previously and connect it to the computer	12:07
Venemo_N900	D-Iivil_Work: then just flash with the emmc image	12:08
psycho_oreos	Venemo_N900, you have a better solution if neither flashing emmc directly works nor flashing the full fiasco image of pr1.3 and then emmc?	12:08
RobbieThe1st	D-Iivil_Work: Note that all the required files for booting are inside the fiasco image. The emmc just sets up the partitions and potentially some (not required) files.	12:08
D-Iivil_Work	Venemo_N900, no go.	12:08
Venemo_N900	psycho_oreos: well he only tried flashing the emmc after flashing kernel-only	12:09
Venemo_N900	DocScrutinizer: any idea?	12:09
D-Iivil_Work	Venemo_N900, I told I tried to flash the emmc numerous times after flashing ALSO the full fiasco.	12:09
psycho_oreos	Venemo_N900, though he did say the full fiasco flashing didn't work :)	12:09
Venemo_N900	oh, sorry.	12:09
Venemo_N900	well you may wanna try from Linux too. the Windows flasher is just dumb	12:09
D-Iivil_Work	No go, dimmed Nokia logo on the screen after the flasher says "Booting device into flash mode."	12:10
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D-Iivil_Work	Okay.. Ubuntu up and running, trying to flash there.	12:11
psycho_oreos	that's with pr1.2?	12:11
Venemo_N900	D-Iivil_Work: a live cd should be enough for this purpose	12:12
D-Iivil_Work	No go with flasher @ ubuntu enviroment.	12:12
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D-Iivil_Work	Venemo_N900, I have one machine running Ubuntu, it just wasn't powered on.	12:13
hrw	D-Iivil_Work: works for me	12:13
crashanddie	D-Iivil_Work, are you trying to not be helpful or what?	12:13
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crashanddie	D-Iivil_Work, "no go" is about as useful as "abloobliblablubleh"	12:13
Venemo_N900	D-Iivil_Work: ok	12:13
D-Iivil_Work	But same thing, the goddamn device doesn't enter into "flash mode" or what ever it is that emmc is trying to make it go :)	12:13
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D-Iivil_Work	crashanddie, I've provided the detailed info about the state that flasher and the device goes after inputting the command to flash the emmc	12:14
D-Iivil_Work	crashanddie, this is what happens:	12:14
D-Iivil_Work	crashanddie, http://pastebin.com/aa6RQmXT	12:15
D-Iivil_Work	crashanddie, the actual device is on state where I can only see dimmed Nokia logo without the usb-icon on top right.	12:15
D-Iivil_Work	crashanddie, once it managed to show the runnind dots on dimmed backgroudn for a while and then the dots stopped moving and stayed there forever.	12:16
RobbieThe1st	Ok, here's what you do: unplug and turn off the device. use the flasher command, then plug in the device.	12:16
crashanddie	what version of Maemo is it running?	12:16
RobbieThe1st	It will turn on and start flashing	12:16
D-Iivil_Work	crashanddie, currently it's flashed with PR1.3 fiasco	12:16
D-Iivil_Work	RobbieThe1st, the thing is.. it won't.	12:16
D-Iivil_Work	RobbieThe1st, I let it stay there for one hour with no change of the state.	12:17
RobbieThe1st	No... wait.	12:17
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RobbieThe1st	You put the flasher such that it's waiting, "suitable device not found", and with the n900 -off-, plug it in.	12:17
RobbieThe1st	what happens?	12:17
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RobbieThe1st	Take out the battery if you have to, but make sure the n900 is completely off before you plug it in via USB(and that the flasher is "waiting" also)	12:18
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D-Iivil_Work	RobbieThe1st, nothing happens if I disconnect the device on that state.	12:20
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D-Iivil_Work	RobbieThe1st, and re-connect it.	12:20
RobbieThe1st	It doesn't turn on?	12:20
D-Iivil_Work	RobbieThe1st, the device turn on yes, but the flasher wont' find it since it's trying to boot the device into "flash mode"	12:21
crashanddie	Just hold the bloody u key down	12:22
D-Iivil_Work	crashanddie, ofcourse I'm holding it down.	12:22
crashanddie	or whatever button it is you have to hold down in order to tell it to flash	12:22
RobbieThe1st	I think he tried to	12:22
RobbieThe1st	I always have done it This way: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CblPiVd1QOs (8:30+)	12:22
D-Iivil_Work	crashanddie, as I told.. I can successfully flash the fiasco images, but for some bizarre reason the eMMC won't go in.	12:22
D-Iivil_Work	crashanddie, flasher finds the device, it tells it's "Booting device into flash mode" and after that nothing, empty, halted.	12:23
RobbieThe1st	Hm...	12:23
crashanddie	what do you need the emmc for?	12:23
D-Iivil_Work	crashanddie, I want the device cleaned up from my own stuff completely.	12:23
D-Iivil_Work	crashanddie, ofcourse if there's a way to "format" the device without flasher, please share.	12:24
Venemo_N900	D-Iivil_Work: just format the vfat partition	12:24
Venemo_N900	D-Iivil_Work: /opt will be ereased when you flash a PR image	12:25
crashanddie	D-Iivil_Work, your emmc is corrupt to start with	12:25
D-Iivil_Work	Venemo_N900, but all the contacts, sms's and that stuff isn't	12:25
crashanddie	actually, no, not the emmc	12:25
crashanddie	Your rootfs is dead	12:25
crashanddie	or not good, anyway	12:25
D-Iivil_Work	crashanddie, how come? I can flash the rootfs with no problems.	12:25
crashanddie	It should tell you "Version of sw-release': blablabla something like RX-51_2010...	12:25
Venemo_N900	D-Iivil_Work: contacts and stuff should disappear when you reflash with PR 1.3	12:25
D-Iivil_Work	crashanddie, it tells, I just was lazy when typing that stuff into pastebin.	12:26
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crashanddie	meh	12:26
crashanddie	idk	12:26
D-Iivil_Work	crashanddie, (can't copypaste from another machine into this chat window)	12:26
crashanddie	or rather, idc	12:26
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Venemo_N900	D-Iivil_Work: pastebin is for pasting, not typing	12:26
RobbieThe1st	I'm guessing that the rootfs flashes, but that the emmc isn't read/writable so it can't copy the required files on first boot	12:26
D-Iivil_Work	Venemo_N900, :P	12:26
D-Iivil_Work	Venemo_N900, actually I first typed them into Notepad and then pasted into pastebin, so technically what I did was pasting ;-)	12:27
Venemo_N900	lol :P	12:27
Venemo_N900	D-Iivil_Work: afaik your contacts should disappear when you flash with a rootfs image	12:29
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D-Iivil_Work	Venemo_N900, hmm... might be. Can't check right now. Maybe I'll just manually wipe the unwanted stuff (like the sqlite database for sms's etc).	12:30
Venemo_N900	isn't it possible that the files you downloaded are corrupt and this is why they ain't working?	12:32
D-Iivil_Work	Venemo_N900, that's one option, yes.	12:32
D-Iivil_Work	Gonna try to download the emmc image from another machine and try it out :)	12:32
Venemo_N900	check md5 checksum too	12:32
D-Iivil_Work	Venemo_N900, where do I get the original MD5 of the emmc?	12:33
D-Iivil_Work	Venemo_N900, it's not shared on tablet-dev.nokia.com :-(	12:33
Venemo_N900	hmm	12:33
Venemo_N900	well then I dunno	12:34
D-Iivil_Work	Venemo_N900, well.. it cannot corrupt two times in a row with to different computers, can it? :D At least the change for that is very small...	12:34
RST38h	Meanwhile: http://www.reghardware.com/2010/11/22/tablet_vendor_ipad_2_fear/	12:34
Venemo_N900	D-Iivil_Work: yep	12:36
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Venemo_N900	RST38h: ipad is in the "don't care" category for me	12:37
RobbieThe1st	It's in the "absolutely useless" category for me.	12:37
Venemo_N900	RobbieThe1st: agreed	12:38
Venemo_N900	for casual use, the ipad is too large (not pocketable)	12:38
Venemo_N900	for work, it is too small and has no keyboard	12:39
crashanddie	erhm	12:39
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crashanddie	it's meant as a leave-it-in-the-living-room device	12:39
crashanddie	and for that, it serves its purpose excellently	12:39
crashanddie	I don't have to use my laptop in the living room	12:39
crashanddie	I can show pictures and videos to friends and families	12:39
Venemo_N900	yeah, but I don't get what the advantage of that is	12:39
RobbieThe1st	That's what my n900's for	12:39
crashanddie	well, it's not as involved	12:40
Venemo_N900	I mean, versus a laptop or a netbook	12:40
crashanddie	I can just put it down as I would a book, or a newspaper	12:40
crashanddie	a laptop, there's wires, it runs out of battery, it's bulky	12:40
Venemo_N900	well the tablet also runs out of battery	12:40
crashanddie	it's probably not for the people who have wires running in their living room, though	12:40
Venemo_N900	but a netbook for one is already better than an ipad	12:41
crashanddie	well, "better", or "best" is highly relative	12:41
crashanddie	either it suits your needs, or it doesn't	12:41
D-Iivil_Work	Okay, worked now. Didn't re-download the emmc image, but flashed the PR1.2 fiasco first. Weird.	12:41
crashanddie	a netbook has a keyboard too cramped to use it	12:41
Venemo_N900	if I wanna show photos in the living room, I just connect the N900 to the TV	12:42
crashanddie	and the screen, well, it's shite	12:42
crashanddie	again, wires, you have to move from where you sat if you use the n900's tv connection	12:42
crashanddie	everyone has to pay attention, TV needs to be on, huge distraction	12:43
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Venemo_N900	well if not everyone wants to, there is the n900 itself	12:43
RobbieThe1st	That's what I do	12:43
crashanddie	with a shit screen, shit keyboard, and shit browser	12:43
crashanddie	and 12h battery	12:43
Venemo_N900	what?	12:44
crashanddie	You really look cool when you have to hold the screen within 4 inches of your face ^^	12:44
Venemo_N900	oh...	12:44
alterego	Eh?	12:44
Venemo_N900	well I dunno why youre making such a problem of this	12:44
Venemo_N900	ya see? you woke up alterego	12:45
crashanddie	I'm just one supporting the iPad and suddenly I'm making a problem?	12:45
Venemo_N900	crashanddie: anyway, I recommend you this for the iPad: http://fashionablygeek.com/design/i-gots-me-a-big-ass-pocket-for-the-ipad/	12:45
D-Iivil_Work	Okay, then next question, how can I make ext2 partition that default web browser can access to? Partition should be on MMC card.	12:45
alterego	pfft, the iPad would be worth something if it had usb ports ..	12:45
crashanddie	Venemo_N900, it's not about putting it in your pocket, I leave it in the living room	12:46
RST38h	Venemo: This won't work	12:46
Venemo_N900	alterego: crashanddie loves it anyway	12:46
alterego	Meh	12:46
Venemo_N900	RST38h: what?	12:46
alterego	Each to their own.	12:46
crashanddie	alterego, exactly	12:46
RST38h	Venemo: There is normally an Apple-branded toilet plunger sticking out of the spot where they are attaching the pocket	12:46
RST38h	Venemo: So, no, it will not work.	12:46
Venemo_N900	crashanddie: so it's practically useless for me	12:46
Venemo_N900	RST38h: lol. it is funny still	12:47
crashanddie	Venemo_N900, sure, I was just pointing out that other people may have other needs	12:47
Venemo_N900	crashanddie: yep, that's why I said "for me"	12:47
Venemo_N900	crashanddie: but I understand what you meant	12:48
crashanddie	Venemo_N900, this one should make you chuckle though: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MI99t9k4aEE	12:49
RST38h	BTW, I am still not getting the netbook craze	12:49
RST38h	It is a laptop. A shitty laptop. Why not get a real one?	12:49
kerio	because eeepcs are so cute ^_^	12:50
Venemo_N900	RST38h: hehe :)	12:50
Venemo_N900	nah crashanddie, found a real nice one for you: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lAl28d6tbko	12:50
crashanddie	haha, yeah, saw that a while ago	12:51
Venemo_N900	RST38h: some people prefer the size and battery life of netbooks	12:51
Venemo_N900	RST38h: not me.	12:51
Venemo_N900	RST38h: for such purposes, I use the N900	12:51
RST38h	Venemo: You can get a laptop that is the size of a netbook and works for about the same time	12:52
RST38h	Slightly (~2 hours) shorter maybe	12:52
RobbieThe1st	Damn, that's impressive. Take a look at that will it blend video - half way through bashing it over the corner of the blender, and its -still working-	12:53
Venemo_N900	RST38h: yeah, seen something like that, costs lots of money	12:53
RST38h	Venemo: Starts at $800	12:54
RST38h	Venemo: The high end model is $1500	12:54
Venemo_N900	RST38h: yeah... that is a lot for me	12:54
Venemo_N900	RST38h: I prefer regular sized laptops anyway	12:55
Venemo_N900	RST38h: for work, I don't like those too small screens	12:55
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crashanddie	13" laptop is the best	12:56
Venemo_N900	13" is way too small for any work	12:57
crashanddie	small for transport (I travel a whole lot), relatively light, 8+ hours autonomy, docking station for keyboard / mouse / 27" monitor	12:57
RobbieThe1st	15" laptop with 1680x1050 screen = awesome	12:57
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Venemo_N900	I prefer 15", with at least 1366x768	12:58
Corsac	14" at 1400×1050 rocks, and 12" at the same resolution is even better :/	12:58
sougata	Howto stop network-manager in chinook	12:58
Corsac	though nobody produces standard aspect screens anymore	12:58
crashanddie	Corsac, yeah, widescreen is horrible for developers	12:59
nidO	I'm clearly going to get flamed mercilessly but unless it has some massive enormous as-yet-unreported flaw i'm almost certainly grabbing a dell duo when theyre available	12:59
crashanddie	I tried to use my 27" in portrait mode, absolutely horrible	12:59
Venemo_N900	yeah... although it may be good if you have long lines of code	12:59
crashanddie	the fonts look like crap, and angle of view is stupid	12:59
* haltdef wants that convertible tablet from dell		13:00
nidO	haltdef: thats the duo	13:00
inz	Robbie, 15" at 1920x1200 is awesomer.	13:00
haltdef	that's the one	13:00
haltdef	looks delightful	13:00
RobbieThe1st	They -make- them that nice?	13:00
Corsac	nidO: not sure about the duo but don't ever buy a “home” dell	13:00
nidO	obviously	13:00
Corsac	well, not only from dell	13:00
nidO	dell make nice screens and netbooks but I wouldnt touch their desktops	13:01
RobbieThe1st	Well, not sure about other systems, but 1680x1050's the best you can get on a ThinkPad T500, so that's what I got.	13:01
Corsac	well, their soho laptops are crap too	13:01
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Corsac	I don't like their business laptop much either, but it's less crap	13:01
RobbieThe1st	Near-indestructible laptop, decent specs, great screen.	13:02
Corsac	hmhm, duo is inspiron, inspiron is soho, thus it's crap, period :)	13:02
RST38h	Venemo: $800 is only twice the netbook price, and you do not buy it every year	13:02
hrw	crashanddie: as developer I prefer widescreen then 4:3	13:02
RST38h	Venemo: [and yes, I do all my work on a subnotebook that is smaller than some netbooks)	13:02
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hrw	crashanddie: in 1920x1080 or 1680x1050 I can open two code windows vertically	13:03
Venemo_N900	RST38h: what I've seen cost twice that	13:03
crashanddie	hrw, I'd rather have 1920x1140	13:04
crashanddie	hrw, still allows for two code windows vertically, and 100 lines of code for context	13:04
hrw	crashanddie: I hoped for 1920x1200 but 16:10 were hard to find	13:04
RST38h	Venemo: http://www.pcconnectionexpress.com/IPA/Shop/Product/Detail.htm?sku=11907572&cm_mmc=Base-_-11907572-_-New-_-GY175&ci_src=14110944&ci_sku=11907572	13:05
RobbieThe1st	1920x1080 may not be as good as 1920x1200, but it's currently the biggest you can get with 120hz input	13:05
* nidO hugs 1680x1050		13:05
hrw	RobbieThe1st: why not?	13:05
hrw	nidO: this is good resolution for 20"	13:05
haltdef	you have nvidia 3d or something?	13:05
flux	hrw, just bought HP ZR24w, it seems quite nice, it has 1920x1200	13:05
sougata	Can someone please tell me how to stop and start network-manager for Chinook	13:05
hrw	flux: in states?	13:05
RobbieThe1st	um... what?	13:06
flux	hrw, nope, in Finland. I imagined the situation wouldn't be worse there :).	13:06
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RobbieThe1st	Well, I've got all nvidia-3d components aside from the glasses and Windows version. I -love- it as a 2d monitor though; animations seem smoother and (provided you have a good enough video card) fps games too	13:07
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RobbieThe1st	You play a FPS game at 100fps+ on a monitor that can support it... You'll never go back to a 60hz monitor.	13:08
alterego	unles you're an addict and you have to	13:08
RobbieThe1st	True.	13:08
alterego	I have me xbox for games ..	13:08
RobbieThe1st	*never -want- to go back	13:09
haltdef	ah nice	13:09
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hrw	prboom will give >100fps on my desktop/laptop and this is the only fps which I am able to play	13:09
crashanddie	alterego, heh, ps3 here. only game i occasionally (as in, once a month) play on the computer is SC2 at work	13:09
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RobbieThe1st	hrw: But, you don't have a screen capable of handling it.	13:09
haltdef	I'd onoly buy a 120hz monitor for nvidia 3d, it'd cost me a hell of a lot though .. don't have an nvidia card either	13:09
Venemo_N900	lol	13:09
haltdef	and can't find anywhere to try the damn thing before buying, might be crap :P	13:10
Venemo_N900	I don't play that much so I don't want a console	13:10
crashanddie	alterego, I nearly got a console for the fable series	13:10
Venemo_N900	and also, I prefer having a well enough video card in my laptop so I can take my games with me	13:10
crashanddie	s/console/xbox/	13:10
infobot	crashanddie meant: alterego, I nearly got a xbox for the fable series	13:10
Venemo_N900	fable is available for pc isn't it?	13:11
RobbieThe1st	I went from a 1280x1024 monitor @80hz or so to a 1680x1050 monitor at 60hz. It was -acceptable-, but when I upgraded I spent quite a bit and got a nice, high-end Alienware AW2310. I -love- it.	13:11
crashanddie	one thing I never understood about the 360 though... Why call it 360 and not make it have a circular design?	13:11
crashanddie	why square?	13:11
crashanddie	Venemo_N900, my computers really aren't up for gaming	13:12
SpeedEvil	nethack!	13:12
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hrw	RobbieThe1st: 12" green @50 -> 14" mono @58.5 -> 17" @96 -> 17" @96 -> 20" @60 -> 24" @60 + 20" @60	13:12
Venemo_N900	Starcraft 2! :P	13:12
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Venemo_N900	that is just the best	13:13
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crashanddie	if only they'd removed the DRM	13:15
crashanddie	and not banned people from multiplayer because they cheated in single player	13:15
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sougata	Can someone help me	13:25
sougata	I want to stop the network-manager	13:25
sougata	for a n800	13:25
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slonopotamus	meh	14:02
slonopotamus	hello from authorized nokia repair service	14:03
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slonopotamus	'we found no charging issues but replaced power button and resoldered usb connector'	14:04
slonopotamus	and, obviously, i cannot reproduce the problem anymore :)	14:05
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ShadowJK	What charging issues did you have?	14:18
slonopotamus	ShadowJK, it stopped/started again on minimal moves of plugged in charger connector	14:21
ShadowJK	ah	14:21
kerio	did someone port sauerbraten to the n900 yet?	14:21
kerio	also does someone know why Terminal.app leaks memory like an old whore?	14:22
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slonopotamus	kerio, scrollback history?	14:23
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kerio	the first question is related to the fps of fps thing	14:24
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lolloo	hellooo0oo everyone	14:31
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MohammadAG	i need help, lots of it	14:45
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MohammadAG	pulseaudio doesn't start at boot up	14:45
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RobbieThe1st	Ouch	14:46
MohammadAG	i tried start pulseaudio in terminal, got respawning too fast	14:47
MohammadAG	now i'm used to this shit happening, but I had to make a call	14:47
jacekowski	oi	14:47
MohammadAG	so i chmod +x'd /etc/event.d/pulseaudio and used it	14:47
jacekowski	i don't think that will help	14:48
jacekowski	try just	14:48
jacekowski	start pulseaudio	14:48
jacekowski	as root	14:48
jacekowski	and see what happens	14:48
MohammadAG	now my calls go to the loudspeaker and I keep getting Internal error. Application 'Calendar' ... the usual	14:48
MohammadAG	as i said	14:48
MohammadAG	respawning too fast	14:48
jacekowski	~flashing	14:48
infobot	well, flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware	14:48
jacekowski	at least you've got some sound	14:49
jacekowski	once i've lost sound and vibrator	14:49
MohammadAG	i won't reflash, since this isn't the first time it's happened	14:49
MohammadAG	how do I check upstart logs?	14:50
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MohammadAG	nice, no mce too	14:51
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RST38h	Moo, all	14:52
MohammadAG	reboot fixed it, till the next time it happens ...	14:54
MohammadAG	my sim card slot is shit, it keeps losing the sim	14:54
jacekowski	my battery is shit	14:54
MohammadAG	how?	14:55
MohammadAG	are there any apt logs btw?	14:55
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psycho_oreos	MohammadAG, I don't know if there's logging facility for upstart but you might want to have a look at syslog which is available in the tools repo	14:58
jo-erlend	any experience with Python/GTK programming on Maemo? I thought I could just create windows the normal way, but that apparently isn't enough. Where can I learn how to write GTK apps for Maemo using Python?	14:58
MohammadAG	psycho_oreos, I hate it	14:58
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MohammadAG	jo-erlend, it's the same as PyGTK on linux	14:58
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MohammadAG	well, on gnome, whatever	14:59
psycho_oreos	MohammadAG, don't like syslog? heh, don't know if there's other alternatives. I use it personally so that I could at least see what's going on :D	14:59
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MohammadAG	what's exit status 127...	15:01
jo-erlend	MohammadAG, that can't be true? "import gtk; mywindow = gtk.Window(); mywindow.show()" <-- that doesn't appear to do anything on my N900. On Ubuntu, that creates a visible Window.	15:01
MohammadAG	i'm not a pygtk expert, ask frals about it	15:03
MohammadAG	but it should work	15:03
jacekowski	python sucks	15:03
jo-erlend	it doesn't.	15:03
jacekowski	that's a problem	15:03
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jacekowski	jo-erlend: how are you doing it?	15:03
jacekowski	jo-erlend: via ssh?	15:03
jacekowski	jo-erlend: or xterminal on phone?	15:03
jo-erlend	jacekowski, xterm.	15:03
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jacekowski	it should work	15:03
jo-erlend	try it.	15:04
jacekowski	nah	15:04
MohammadAG	try a hildon.StackableWindow()	15:04
jacekowski	i have to go	15:04
jacekowski	i'll be back later	15:04
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MohammadAG	but most gtk apps run unmodified on maemo	15:04
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jo-erlend	MohammadAG, "import gtk; import hildon; mywin = hildon.StackableWindow(); mywin.show()" produced the same nothing.	15:06
jo-erlend	I don't get any error messages with either... The window just doesn't show.	15:07
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zap	X-Fade: any news about that version number bug? unzip is still broken and won't replace with a newer version, I even tried to bump the epoch.	15:20
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X-Fade	zap: Sorry, didn't have time to look at it last week as I was in Dublin for MeeGo.	15:20
zap	ok	15:21
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MohammadAG	X-Fade, ping	15:26
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X-Fade	MohammadAG: here	15:27
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jo-erlend	oh, I'm sorry. I forgot to enter gtk.main() :)	15:48
alterego	I've got a variable in my code named "ibox" I'm expecting to get sued by both Microsoft and Apple simultaneously.	15:50
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DocScrutinizer	javispedro: hi!	16:03
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javispedro	morning	16:04
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RST38h	moorning javispedro	16:04
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javispedro	I think I finally got the accelerometer on the ideapad working =)	16:05
javispedro	only found two coordinates though	16:06
lcuk	javispedro, many harddrives only have 2d	16:06
javispedro	hey lcuk	16:06
javispedro	I published the preliminary driver here http://gitorious.org/iaps/iaps	16:07
javispedro	on my ideapad ranges are 400...720 for the x axis and 420..720 for the y axis	16:07
lcuk	cool, what about orientation changes based on slate/laptop mode	16:08
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javispedro	that's what I'm aiming for :)	16:08
javispedro	but first things first :)	16:08
* lcuk nods		16:08
lcuk	great seeing you in Dublin btw :)	16:08
javispedro	:)	16:09
DocScrutinizer	lcuk: (2D g-meter) hey funny! so they emergency park heads when you hold the laptop like a book? (detecting free fall)	16:09
lcuk	javispedro, did you see the multitouch input visualisation pic I just posted on #meego	16:09
lcuk	holding it like a book is not freefall	16:10
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DocScrutinizer	for a 2D g-meter it is	16:10
lcuk	zeroing each sensor is freefall	16:10
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lcuk	afaik	16:10
javispedro	DocScrutinizer: I am not sure it is the raw output from the accel though, seems that it might be preprocessed	16:10
lcuk	looking at graphs made with liqacceltests anyway	16:10
javispedro	but it is all I could get from the hw...	16:10
javispedro	lcuk: you know how to read the hdaps data? i tried to present it to userspace the same way	16:11
* javispedro would enjoy some graphs :)		16:11
lcuk	javispedro, http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/HDAPS	16:12
lcuk	you should find plenty of examples at the foot of there for the driver	16:12
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javispedro	http://people.ksp.sk/~mic/Projects/Rotate rotate script	16:18
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Jaffa	javispedro: lcuk: Ah, is the lock switch a screen orientation lock?	16:19
javispedro	Jaffa: no, it seems to electrically disable the power button	16:19
javispedro	(I get no events in sw at least :( )	16:20
Jaffa	javispedro: Make that script stopall meego-im-uiserver... scratch that. Confusing orientation with screen position	16:20
Jaffa	javispedro: Talking of which, can the position of the screen show up as an event?	16:20
Jaffa	javispedro: 'k	16:20
javispedro	it seems to do on windows (position of the screen)	16:21
javispedro	need to look that up later	16:21
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lcuk	Jaffa, talk to timeless, I believe he was playing with auto orientation detection in the W7 partition	16:25
lcuk	and it wasnt so happy	16:25
timeless_mbp	yeah	16:26
lcuk	but basing orientation on screen state itself (hinge angle maybe?) would be better?	16:26
timeless_mbp	it's way too sensitive	16:26
* javispedro agrees with timeless		16:26
timeless_mbp	javispedro: are you on windows?	16:26
Jaffa	lcuk: What I was thinking; or rotation point, if detectable	16:26
javispedro	timeless_mbp: I kept it	16:26
timeless_mbp	"kept"?	16:26
timeless_mbp	dual boot or exclusive?	16:27
javispedro	installed	16:27
javispedro	dual	16:27
lcuk	Jaffa, I think the switches themselves know if the screen is in slate mode and fixed down	16:27
javispedro	well, triple already =)	16:27
timeless_mbp	how'd you dual?	16:27
* timeless_mbp wants to do that		16:27
javispedro	timeless_mbp: I installed Gentoo and Grub from it. Before that I used Grub from the meego repos	16:27
lcuk	continuing on #meego anyway	16:27
* javispedro agrees =)		16:27
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comawhite	blah it takes forever to setup scratchbox + sdk	16:34
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comawhite	too much downloading	16:34
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MohammadAG	DocScrutinizer, updated hostmode-gui and i2c-tools	16:46
DocScrutinizer	cool man 8-)	16:46
DocScrutinizer	MohammadAG: now if you could edit http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=866260&postcount=1 to meet that status	16:47
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MohammadAG	DocScrutinizer, edit it with what? It depends on kernel-feature-usbhost now :)	16:50
DocScrutinizer	err??? edit it with phpBB edit-post feature in tmo?	16:51
MohammadAG	lol I know, I mean what should I add?	16:52
MohammadAG	I need to paint my old laptop...	16:54
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MohammadAG	alterego, ping	16:54
* SpeedEvil passes MohammadAG a can of Magnolia one-coat.		16:55
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DocScrutinizer	MohammadAG: just update on install instructions and info	17:02
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alterego	MohammadAG: pong	17:04
DocScrutinizer	add proper detailed explanation what to install, and how to uninstall rsp where to look for info about uninstalling	17:04
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comawhite	is there a way to get flash in scratchbox?	17:10
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pupnik_	comawhite: so you can watch your youtubes while you watch your youtubes	17:23
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comawhite	pupnik_, LOL	17:24
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pupnik_	:)	17:25
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yacc	WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated!	17:28
yacc	libzlibrary fbreader theme-customizer dorian sleepanalyser swappolube	17:28
yacc	Anything I should know about extras-devel today?	17:28
ieatlint	comawhite: have you tried installing it via apt-get?	17:28
comawhite	yeah I did apt-cache search flash but it return some useless app not remotely like flash	17:29
comawhite	also I get /usr/share/hildon-application-manager/defaults: No such file or directory	17:29
comawhite	sorry I'm new to this	17:29
ieatlint	well, i'm a tad confused as to why you want it in scratchbox :P	17:30
comawhite	just to play around with it	17:30
ieatlint	but if somehow that fails, you may be able to simply insert it into "/targets/FREMANTLE_X86/usr/lib/browser/plugins"	17:30
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yacc	Any idea why the packages stopped to verify?	17:31
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gruinelli	MohammadAG: Hi MohammadAG	17:35
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jMCg	Hello happy people.	17:35
jMCg	How do I have more than one Mail for Exchange type account?	17:35
ieatlint	you get a second n900	17:35
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jMCg	That sounds rather inconvinient.	17:36
jMCg	ieatlint: is there any reason behind that?	17:36
MohammadAG	hi gruinelli	17:36
ieatlint	jMCg: you'd have to ask nokia	17:36
Lantizia	lo, has anyone used the google latitude package?	17:37
gruinelli	I got shedskin now working on the server ,also i could compile my module with it	17:37
comawhite	ugh this is being a pita. trying to do the matrix trick but doesn't work	17:37
comawhite	bloody hell	17:37
gruinelli	thank you very much for your great help yesterday!	17:37
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MohammadAG	CaCO3, cool :D	17:40
MohammadAG	CaCO3, you're welcome :)	17:40
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MohammadAG	CaCO3, you might as well announce you got shedskin packaged, I'm sure others might want to use it :)	17:40
alterego	Freakin' hell man	17:40
CaCO3	jup, i will, also i started to create a wiki page for it	17:41
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CaCO3	i was just wondering, if it would not have been wiser to upload shedskin into the sdk repository instead the normal repo, but i guess thats not possible, or now too late	17:41
MohammadAG	nope, it's not possible	17:41
MohammadAG	the builder uses extras, and so do most devs	17:41
CaCO3	ok	17:42
CaCO3	just to to check that I do it the right way; in the Make file for my app, I do an "apt-get install shedskin", then I run the shedskin and make. is there a better way to do it?	17:42
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MohammadAG	yeah, that's not the right way :)	17:43
MohammadAG	add shedskin to Build Depends: in debian/control	17:43
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alterego	Ah, I see what the problem is.	17:44
CaCO3	ah, ok, thanx	17:44
alterego	I'm an idiot ^.^	17:44
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timeless_mbp	so...	17:45
timeless_mbp	bug of the day	17:45
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timeless_mbp	someone told me that i could enter *#0000#	17:45
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alterego	You can, well, works for me :P	17:45
timeless_mbp	into my phone to get the system version	17:45
MohammadAG	it says <unknown>	17:45
nidO	yes, you can	17:46
MohammadAG	you replaced the kernel, it's not a bug :P	17:46
timeless_mbp	alterego: try these more detailed instructions	17:46
CaCO3	And is there a way to get it compiled for armel AND i386? because when I say Architecture: all, it only makes one for i386, so i changed it to armel	17:46
timeless_mbp	press and hold the <blue> key	17:46
alterego	timeless_mbp: are you using a custom kernel?	17:46
CaCO3	but i thin i386 is anyway not needeed	17:46
timeless_mbp	then press the letters ADPPPPD	17:46
timeless_mbp	alterego: try it	17:46
timeless_mbp	then let go of the <blue> key	17:46
timeless_mbp	do not let go of the blue key early	17:46
timeless_mbp	violators will be shot	17:46
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alterego	timeless_mbp: oh yeah, stops working when the ui starts up :/	17:47
yacc	Is it only me, or has something changed with the repository, I'm getting unauthenticated packages in extras-devel.	17:47
timeless_mbp	alterego: can i get you to file this bug for me?	17:47
CaCO3	yacc: I get that too, but i thought I did something wrong	17:48
nidO	I dont get it, wheres the bug? one ui uses one keyboard layout, the other uses another, if you're going to type something involving both of them you need to switch typing accordingly	17:48
yacc	CaCO3, it started just now for me.	17:48
yacc	CaCO3, my setup worked perfectly yesterday (or today morning).	17:48
alterego	timeless_mbp: kinda got my hands tied at the moment ;)	17:48
timeless_mbp	alterego: grr	17:48
timeless_mbp	anyone else believe that it'd work?	17:49
CaCO3	yacc: Its the first time i compile on the server, so I can not compare it	17:49
pupnik	http://dl.dropbox.com/u/14455854/Fun/163.jpeg germany's answer to the HUMMV	17:49
yacc	CaCO3, for me it's on device.	17:49
alterego	Yay, getting a segfault when the app closes ^.^	17:49
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alterego	In g_object_unref, well, that is kind of disconcerting when the app is Qt/C++ :D	17:50
timeless_mbp	alterego: better than getting it earlier :)	17:50
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alterego	Bet it's mobility and liblocation	17:50
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timeless_mbp	pupnik: ...	17:51
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pupnik	better gas mileage was the joke timeless_mbp	17:52
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sivang	timeless_mbp: what's bug of the day?	17:55
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timeless_mbp	sivang: bah	17:56
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* timeless_mbp goes off to file it		17:56
timeless_mbp	alterego: is the keymap for BLUE fixed or does it very locale to locale?	17:56
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alterego	I think it varies	17:57
alterego	I know it varies actually.	17:57
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sivang	timeless_mbp: maybe you can file the two netbook bugs while on the way? :) they are still waiting in my TODO	17:59
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timeless_mbp	alterego: yeah it probably does	17:59
crashanddie	sivang, what OS are we talking about?	18:00
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alterego	sivang: this is maemo :P	18:00
sivang	oops	18:00
sivang	right :)	18:00
sivang	crashanddie: yes, sorry	18:00
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MohammadAG	timeless_mbp, no bug here	18:05
timeless_mbp	MohammadAG: um, what os?	18:05
MohammadAG	maemo	18:05
timeless_mbp	you pressed and held the BLUE key the entire time?	18:05
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timeless_mbp	do you have a sim inserted and active?	18:05
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alterego	Yay :)	18:07
alterego	My plugin system is working well, along with my network service :D	18:07
timeless_mbp	MohammadAG: sorry, what happened when you tried to follow my steps?	18:08
alterego	"network-server-plugin" Constructing service: "nmea+udp://0.0.0.0:9300"	18:08
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Wizzup	SRL Stats Graphing System in action: http://old.villavu.com/merlijn/static/stats_graph.svg	18:17
Wizzup	eh	18:17
Wizzup	Totally in the wrong channel. Sorry for that	18:17
Wizzup	I thought I was in my bitlbee-twitter chan.	18:18
Gh0sty	hmm now I have some other behavior but still not what I am looking for ...	18:18
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Gh0sty	the phone seems to work like it should be but I can't mount my phone filesystem anymore on my linux pc	18:18
Gh0sty	it shows ma a 28GB disk with no file allocation table :p	18:18
timeless_mbp	MohammadAG: so err...	18:20
timeless_mbp	does it really work for you?	18:20
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MohammadAG	timeless_mbp, yes, though I think i got something wrong	18:25
MohammadAG	start phone with kb open, start dialing pad, go to skype mode so typing with blue arrow works, and type *#0000#	18:26
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comawhite	how do I get my scratchbox to look like this? http://static.maemo.org/static/d/dd911174994311dcbce661fbd17ed79bd79b_original_original_original_original_original_xchat-os2007.png	18:30
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lcuk	comawhite, buy an n800 and follow the bora sdk guide :P	18:33
comawhite	no way on the n900?	18:33
nidO	well no, thats not a fremantle scratchbox	18:34
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comawhite	hildon-desktop[27436]: GLIB WARNING ** ClutterX11 - Failed to get XImage of pixmap: c02435, removing	18:43
comawhite	:S	18:43
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RST38h	back	18:52
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timeless_mbp	MohammadAG: no no no no no	18:56
timeless_mbp	you don't open the phone application	18:56
timeless_mbp	you start by typing on the home screen	18:56
timeless_mbp	(bug filed)	18:56
MohammadAG	I still don't get it...	18:57
MohammadAG	so, I type , and I get a	18:58
MohammadAG	I don't get a # since it's set to cellular mode, so I shouldn't use the blue arrow	18:58
timeless_mbp	err	19:01
timeless_mbp	don't THINK	19:01
timeless_mbp	stop THINKING	19:01
timeless_mbp	THINKING IS BAD	19:01
timeless_mbp	the point is that on the home screen to trigger the * which opens the phone you need to hold BLUE	19:01
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timeless_mbp	and normally to trigger a * or a # or a 0 you would hold BLUE	19:01
timeless_mbp	there is no reason to think that the first * should behave differently than the second *	19:02
timeless_mbp	a * is a * is a *	19:02
timeless_mbp	except when it's a duck	19:02
timeless_mbp	(which seems to be the maemo way of thinking)	19:02
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DocScrutinizer	timeless_mbp: there's a GUI design specs flaw. This causes inpit method changing when you open the dialer gui	19:14
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timeless_mbp	DocScrutinizer: ayup	19:14
DocScrutinizer	actually in diealer the keymapping is mindboggling, as bluekey is reversed	19:15
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DocScrutinizer	it's convenient for entering numbers (the most commn usecase), but obviously it has to switch input paradigm when starting the dialer from typing to homescreen	19:17
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DocScrutinizer	otherwise you'd have to specify input method for homescreen to be in 'numlock' mode which is even worse	19:18
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DocScrutinizer	or have two completely opposite input mode modi for dialer, depending on how it's been started	19:18
alterego	timeless_mbp: but if you were more efficient, you'd double tap Fn and then everything would be fine ;)	19:19
DocScrutinizer	or discard the numlock mode in dialer and require user to hold bluekey to enter numbers	19:19
alterego	w00f	19:19
alterego	Bad idea.	19:19
SpeedEvil	Rotary dial on the desktop background	19:19
SpeedEvil	the circular swiping is quite distinctive	19:20
timeless_mbp	generally the right thing to do is to allow numbers with or without BLUE while in Phone mode in the dialer	19:20
DocScrutinizer	it's fuzzy spec'd in GUI design	19:20
timeless_mbp	the current behavior is "discard input i don't like"	19:20
timeless_mbp	which is stupid here	19:20
DocScrutinizer	timeless_mbp: that's bad, as I also want chars in dialer	19:20
timeless_mbp	DocScrutinizer: ENOTSUP	19:20
DocScrutinizer	hahaha	19:20
timeless_mbp	for stupid reasons the n900 phone won't let you enter ABC	19:20
timeless_mbp	you can try to get p and w	19:20
timeless_mbp	but that's about it	19:21
DocScrutinizer	so have fun with dialing me at 'sip:joerg@mysipserver.org'	19:21
timeless_mbp	in the non POTS case	19:21
timeless_mbp	DocScrutinizer: i'm talking about POTS	19:21
timeless_mbp	when you switch to SIP calling that's irrelevant	19:21
timeless_mbp	i'm ONLY talking about POTS	19:21
digitalstimulus	does anyone know of an elegant solution to play an audio file from one computer on another computer?	19:21
DocScrutinizer	dialer isn't POTS-only	19:21
timeless_mbp	DocScrutinizer: sure	19:21
timeless_mbp	but it's only insane in POTS	19:22
timeless_mbp	the path i'm talking about is a POTS path	19:22
timeless_mbp	which is broken	19:22
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timeless_mbp	because of an idiotic behavior for POTS	19:22
DocScrutinizer	hmm, you got a point there	19:22
timeless_mbp	thank you	19:23
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digitalstimulus	I'm trying to get my ubuntu computer to play a file on my n810. I basically am using the program motion to motion detect from a camera source and play a sound, but I would like my n810 to play a sound in another location through the network. Any ideas?	19:23
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DocScrutinizer	ssh N900 play-sound jinglebells.wav	19:24
DocScrutinizer	or learn to use friggin pulseaudio for what it's actually claiming to be superior to ALSA: audio over TCP	19:26
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pupnik	ol	19:26
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digitalstimulus	wouldn't pulse need to be running on maemo?	19:26
DocScrutinizer	sure	19:26
DocScrutinizer	it doesn't?	19:27
MohammadAG	DocScrutinizer, isn't that dead on maemo's PA :P	19:27
DocScrutinizer	that'd be great news	19:27
pupnik	n810 oc	19:27
pupnik	DocScrutinizer:	19:27
DocScrutinizer	s/N900/N810	19:27
DocScrutinizer	ohh, dunno if diablo has PA- I'd guess it does	19:27
digitalstimulus	hmm, I've not used ssh for one-time login, execut, logout...but that would be a great solution	19:28
digitalstimulus	i've only used ssh interactively	19:28
pupnik	digitalstimulus: if you are just sending an alarm signal, you don't need to stream audio	19:28
DocScrutinizer	with proper dsa_keys it should work	19:28
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digitalstimulus	it can play a file located on the n810 too	19:29
digitalstimulus	doesn't necessarily have to be streamed	19:29
digitalstimulus	i'm just trying to make noise in multiple locations	19:30
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pupnik	You can execute commands on remote hosts using the ssh comman	19:32
pupnik	d	19:32
pupnik	http://www.faqs.org/docs/linux_network/x-087-2-appl.remote.html	19:32
pupnik	ssh user@n810 "aplay beep.wav"	19:33
timeless_mbp	digitalstimulus: i discovered that "say" works nicely on OS X :)	19:33
DocScrutinizer	digitalstimulus:	19:34
DocScrutinizer	jr@halley:~> ssh -l root IroN900 play-sound /usr/share/sounds/game-chess_checkmate.wav	19:34
DocScrutinizer	ca_context_play_full (vol -0.000000): Success	19:34
DocScrutinizer	callback called, error 'Success'	19:34
DocScrutinizer	jr@halley:~>	19:34
pupnik	is play-sound a builtin DocScrutinizer ?	19:34
DocScrutinizer	(root for me not having a authorized_key on user)	19:34
DocScrutinizer	yep	19:34
digitalstimulus	for the curious, I am doing something similar to this: http://www.plasma2002.com/blenderdefender/	19:36
SpeedEvil	But with landmines?	19:37
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digitalstimulus	no, I am using just sound right now, but my cat isn't startled with sound playing in the other room	19:37
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Gustavoferreira	hi everyone, when i connect my phone(N900 - maemo) to my pc (ubuntu 10.10) and use the option PC Suit, i can connect to internet on my pc, and when i'm done i have no way to change PC Suit to charge mode only, haven't I? Same thing for mass storage, even after umount it on PC.	19:42
Choom	I believe you can change it by tapping on the clock	19:44
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Appiah	yupp you can change mode	19:45
Appiah	same place as you choose availbility,profile,internetconnection etc	19:45
Appiah	tap the clock as Choom said	19:46
Gustavoferreira	when it is on PC Suit or mass storage you canBt go back in that way :s	19:47
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Gustavoferreira	ok let me see	19:47
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Choom	you're right, it's disabled in PC suit mode	19:48
Gustavoferreira	it just shows the mode i'm, it doesnt let me change it after i'm in mass storage mode or in PC Suit mode	19:49
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Gustavoferreira	so, it isn't any way to do that?	19:49
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Gustavoferreira	is there any command on the terminal to change mode after i'm in one of those modes i refered?	19:51
pupnik	what do you use PC Suite for? I never used that	19:52
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Gustavoferreira	thetering	19:53
Gustavoferreira	i turn on gprs connections	19:53
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DocScrutinizer51	pc suite mode establishes quite a number of connections/services tat mustn't shut down unadvertedly. I guess that's the rationale you can't stop it like that	19:53
Gustavoferreira	and then with PC Suit i make internet connection available to my pc.	19:53
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pupnik	maybe you can do that with a simple command-line	19:54
pupnik	without using 'pc suit'	19:54
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pupnik	you can also tether over ad-hoc wifi	19:54
pupnik	TMTOWTDI	19:55
Gustavoferreira	or bluetooth using and aplication.	19:56
Funnyface	I never got tethering over bluetooth working	19:56
Funnyface	I had it working once.. and it worked like a charm, then I never got it working again :p	19:57
Gustavoferreira	DocScrutinizer51: so is it bad if i simply disconnect usb cable, isn't it? what can i do then?	19:57
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DocScrutinizer51	good question. You'd think there should be sth like 'safely remove' for mass storage, on your PC	19:58
Gustavoferreira	Funntface: from what i hear, tethering over bluetooth is a really big waste of battery.	19:59
Funnyface	well, wifi is even worse	19:59
Appiah	waste? but what if you really need to get a laptop online? :)	19:59
Appiah	(as in the laptop running some application you cant get running on a n900)	20:00
Gustavoferreira	use usb cable then, it makes internet available and it charges from latptop at the same time.	20:01
Appiah	oh noes I forgot the usb cable , but dont use bluetooth , that's a waste	20:01
Funnyface	that works well when stationary, but when I am at my school, I don't feel like leaving my phone widely visible to everyone, so whenever I need to go afk for a short moment, I have to unplug it, which wears out the ever so dodgy USB connector	20:02
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Gustavoferreira	DocScrutinizer51: you never use PC Suite neither?	20:02
Funnyface	and if you use public transport, having a USB cable point out at the side isn't always that convenient	20:02
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DocScrutinizer	Gustavoferreira: nope	20:03
jacekowski	Funnyface: why not?	20:04
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Gustavoferreira	that's why someone 'invented' tethering over bluetooth xD to solve some problems, like that one.	20:04
Funnyface	jacekowski: crowded buses and tight seats :>	20:05
DocScrutinizer	jacekowski: quite obviously if you're concerned about your USB receptacle staying alive	20:05
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Funnyface	well, it's very simple.. you always have your phone with you, so if bluetooth was working as it should, it'd be pretty much the same as having a PC with a built in GSM/UMTS modem	20:06
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Funnyface	which is very nice and convenient.. but with the USB cable, you have to dig up your laptop, the cable, and the phone, and plug it all in.	20:06
* MohammadAG got scared when he disassembled his N900		20:06
jacekowski	why?	20:07
MohammadAG	the USB receptacle just hangs there	20:07
jacekowski	a lot of shit inside?	20:07
MohammadAG	any slight movement might break it	20:07
MohammadAG	no, the other shit's fine :P	20:07
MohammadAG	two weaknesses really, the flex ribbon, but I got used to it	20:07
MohammadAG	and the USB	20:07
Funnyface	why did you disassemble it? :>	20:08
DocScrutinizer	MohammadAG: the usb receptacle is loose?	20:08
Gustavoferreira	MohammadAG you didn't do that, did you? xD	20:08
MohammadAG	disassembly? it's piss easy	20:08
jacekowski	flex ribbon	20:08
MohammadAG	DocScrutinizer, no, my USB is fine, thankfully	20:09
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jacekowski	you mean ribbon connecting screen with base?	20:09
DocScrutinizer	ooh, pffoooh	20:09
MohammadAG	yes	20:09
jacekowski	do you know that was reason why most of 7650 have failed	20:09
MohammadAG	disassembled it for the hell of it	20:09
jacekowski	my father had one	20:09
MohammadAG	ribbons?	20:09
jacekowski	and it was that ribbon that just broke after some time	20:09
jacekowski	yes	20:09
MohammadAG	I hate the one in the N900	20:10
MohammadAG	it's very light	20:10
jacekowski	because you move it up and down and up and down and again	20:10
DocScrutinizer	FPC are generally crap and awful to handle	20:10
jacekowski	well, it lasted for 3-4 years	20:10
jacekowski	so it's not too bad	20:10
jacekowski	btw. i really liked 7650	20:10
jacekowski	if they would make same one with better hardware inside	20:10
DocScrutinizer	the thinner it is the longer it will stand repeated bending but the easier it breaks on "wrong" stress	20:11
DocScrutinizer	on N900 the weak point isn't the FPC but the crappy B2B connector soldered to its end	20:11
MohammadAG	the annoying thing about it is that it's between very small space when assembled back	20:12
MohammadAG	you don't have enough space to put it back in without making weird faces	20:12
DocScrutinizer	YES :-D	20:12
DocScrutinizer	and odds are the B2B breaks while you show that funny face	20:13
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Funnyface	:o?	20:13
MohammadAG	LOL	20:13
MohammadAG	yay	20:13
MohammadAG	DocScrutinizer, version 0.3 of h-e-n has an option to disable filemanager auto opening	20:14
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DocScrutinizer	nice	20:14
MohammadAG	finally got a settings dialog working	20:14
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MohammadAG	effing tracker kicked in	20:15
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RST38h	Mr. Poo managed to hack into FedComp, a data processor for federal credit unions, enabling him to access the data of various federal credit unions. He also hacked into the computer system of a Department of Defense contractor that provides systems management for military transport and other military operations, potentially compromising highly sensitive military logistics information.	20:17
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MohammadAG	and that's the modem gone	20:17
* MohammadAG blames battery going flat without bme running		20:18
MohammadAG	1283 root 20 0 166m 35m 9824 R 81 0.9 18:35.94 Xorg	20:18
MohammadAG	1923 mohammad 20 0 382m 43m 12m S 77 1.1 21:19.36 compiz	20:18
MohammadAG	ffs	20:18
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MohammadAG	DocScrutinizer, http://i51.tinypic.com/pb2bl.jpg	20:19
MohammadAG	I know mounting would be better than mount, but it causes horizontal scrolling to show up in portrait mode	20:20
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Arkenoi	i've got an impression after updating to pr1.3 my battery discharges more quickly	20:22
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DocScrutinizer	MohammadAG: is the sort order HS - FS - LS for a particular reason?	20:34
MohammadAG	HS > FS > LS?	20:34
DocScrutinizer	hmm, you're an Arab, I see	20:35
DocScrutinizer	:-P	20:35
MohammadAG	lol what's that got to do with anything :P	20:36
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DocScrutinizer	reading/sorting right-to-left	20:36
MohammadAG	that's left to right, from highest to lowest speed :D	20:36
RST38h	Arkenoi: BatteryGraph says it is the same	20:36
DocScrutinizer	exactly	20:36
MohammadAG	maybe it's cause I'm used to high being my first selection, f. my second, and l my last :)	20:37
DocScrutinizer	all other sliders in GUI imply right side is + and left side is -	20:37
MohammadAG	also, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=866260#post866260 #1 updated	20:37
DocScrutinizer	\o/	20:37
MohammadAG	it has a pic of what you want, a shorter microUSB cable :)	20:37
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MohammadAG	the Nokia CA-101D	20:38
MohammadAG	it's like the CA-101 you have, with a D	20:39
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DocScrutinizer	MohammadAG: WTF is API-version 20101110? Is it any different to what Paul published as 20101104?	20:46
MohammadAG	no idea, it's what I've got	20:46
DocScrutinizer	or is it just titan should learn to read?	20:46
MohammadAG	and it's what kernel-power provides	20:47
DocScrutinizer	~lart titan	20:47
* infobot follow's titan with a gauntlet and ... scratch ... HUMILIATION		20:47
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MohammadAG	maybe, but it didn't get updated from v44 to v46	20:49
MohammadAG	so, not sure	20:49
* MohammadAG looks at git		20:49
MohammadAG	ah	20:49
MohammadAG	DocScrutinizer, it's the last commit by paul	20:49
MohammadAG	checks if high speed is really high speed etc	20:50
MohammadAG	https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/ggit/browse.php/?p=h-e-n;a=commitdiff;h=e76da6b011b4112a9755593efdcdd57b327492f0	20:50
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DocScrutinizer	aah, ok	20:52
DocScrutinizer	fair enough. This is an API change	20:52
DocScrutinizer	though, as long as your GUI doesn't use this feature, you should check for version >=20101104 anyway	20:53
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djszapi	Could someone manage a working doc reader on N900 ?	20:54
MohammadAG	hmm	20:54
ohwhyme	whats the difference between a fiasco image and a zimage?	20:54
DocScrutinizer	as it's now your new GUI will refuse to work with older API-version kernels, just for the mismatch in version checking	20:54
MohammadAG	DocScrutinizer, I'd do that, if I knew how to :)	20:54
MohammadAG	DocScrutinizer, I'm still new to Qt, just replaced a couple of system()s with their proper Qt code	20:55
DocScrutinizer	just do a compare of the strings	20:56
DocScrutinizer	not for equal but for greater-or-equal	20:56
MohammadAG	yeah, but how would the app know that 20101110 > 20101104?	20:57
MohammadAG	it might be true now, but I hate dates as version numbers	20:57
DocScrutinizer	by ascii sort order	20:57
DocScrutinizer	or you do two compares for the two versions you know you support	20:58
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DocScrutinizer	probably better. When I specified that versioning scheme I thought of augemnts to API that don't break backwards compatibility. As it looks now we need a break though sooner than I expected	21:00
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DocScrutinizer	as paul raped the "F" and thus broke compatibility to former proc/driver/musb_hdrc debugging interface, where F means Force-session, not Enumerate (which would have been "e" in former API). So I tend to go back to formaer API for that which means your GUI will have to echo e instead of echo F then, for enumerate	21:05
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MohammadAG	hmm	21:06
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DocScrutinizer	also I wasn't aware he discarded the whole bunch of other debug cmds in proc interface, except for that abused F	21:07
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DocScrutinizer	As he seems to not feel like including this to his h-e-n kernel patches, I might prepare a patch to join the proc interface as of sarahn with pauls patches, and that will become next API version that's not compatible to 20101104 or 20101110, but instead will keep compatibility to pre-PF h-e-n kernels and their proc debug API	21:10
CaCO3	Does sombody know why the lib Libgc1c2 is only in the SDK repos? http://maemo.org/packages/view/libgc1c2/	21:11
RST38h	Steve Jobs invents mobile printing!!!!	21:11
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CaCO3	and how we can get it into the extra repos one?	21:12
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MohammadAG	just upload it	21:13
DocScrutinizer	MohammadAG: I plan to do extensive tests on that version plus a matching GUI then, base jrbme on this, and we might go for non-beta proper release 0.1 with it	21:13
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CaCO3	Am I allowed to do that? do i have to change the version ?	21:13
MohammadAG	probably not	21:13
CaCO3	will it show up on the same place as the SDK ones, or is there a conflict?	21:14
Arkenoi	RST38h, too bad others forgot it. the latest and lightest mobile printer one can find is citizen pn60i. but it is 15 years old, supplies are hard to obtain and it is irda only so i cannot print from n900 anyways (even if we had cups support ubiquitous)	21:14
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RST38h	Arkenoi: there is plenty of wifi-connected desktop printers	21:15
RST38h	not that I ever had anything to print from the phone...	21:15
Arkenoi	RST38h, and not a single one you can take to an "outdoor" meeting	21:16
RST38h	Arkenoi: depends =)	21:16
Arkenoi	well, nothing like citizen pn60i anyways	21:17
RST38h	wait, other pocket printers do exist	21:17
Arkenoi	and there is no "print" button in maemo software (is it really hard to pipe stuff to lpr?)	21:17
Arkenoi	RST38h, nope, they do not (thermal paper and a6 do not qualify)	21:18
RST38h	http://www.nextag.com/pocket-printers/shop-html	21:18
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DocScrutinizer	Arkenoi: I owned a ink jet printer (Siemens?) that had 5 A cells	21:18
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Arkenoi	DocScrutinizer, how much did it weight?	21:19
DocScrutinizer	muuuch	21:19
Arkenoi	RST38h, as i said -- either thermal or not really portable or both	21:20
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RST38h	why is thermal bad?	21:20
DocScrutinizer	thermal is BS	21:20
Arkenoi	RST38h, requires special paper, it sucks. and the paper itself sucks.	21:21
DocScrutinizer	1985 I had a fax that worked with thermal paper. Was a constant PITA	21:21
RST38h	well, inkjet-printed stuff cannot stand the rain	21:21
DocScrutinizer	in all respects	21:22
RST38h	whichimho sucks more	21:22
Arkenoi	RST38h, actually it sucks less. and thermal paper "documents" look like shit.	21:22
RST38h	well that depends on the paper quality of course	21:23
DocScrutinizer	we should create a printing app	21:23
RST38h	I hope we are not talking the Elekrtonika60 thermal printer?	21:23
korhojoa	hmm	21:23
DocScrutinizer	wait - isn't that app there, called CUPS	21:23
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Arkenoi	RST38h, all of them do.	21:23
Arkenoi	DocScrutinizer, there is cups, but no maemo application have any visible "print" button	21:24
Arkenoi	even Docs2go, pdf reader, web browser and modest	21:24
DocScrutinizer	print button pfffff	21:24
korhojoa	hmm	21:24
korhojoa	openoffice should do printing	21:24
DocScrutinizer	export to pdf, store to: printer	21:24
Arkenoi	you may save pdf and print via command line, but it sucks ;-)	21:25
Arkenoi	yes	21:25
RST38h	N900 version of OpenOffice is a freaking joke =(	21:25
korhojoa	true	21:26
Arkenoi	RST38h, not really, compared how could it work on n9, thanks to capacitive screen fanboys	21:26
korhojoa	takes forever to load and is old as shit	21:26
Choom	<- capacitive fanboy	21:27
RST38h	Arkenoi: N9 does have a keyboard, right?	21:27
Arkenoi	btw for some obscure reason it looks better from easydebian than "standalone" version	21:27
DocScrutinizer	but I agree there's a lack of print menu entries/buttons. Even if there's no printer at all in maemo, the print dialog sahould offer "print to file", so the lack of proper printer interface in maemo is no argument to not have print functions where ever appropriate	21:27
RST38h	standalone version has been...well...adapted	21:27
Choom	though I don't have an N9	21:27
Choom	I'm hoping for the N900 successor to come with a capacitive touchscreen	21:27
Choom	that's the only downside of the N900 for me, other than that I'm a happy customer	21:28
DocScrutinizer	BLAH	21:28
korhojoa	why capacitive?	21:28
korhojoa	i really don't like them	21:28
korhojoa	hitting my fingers on glass	21:28
DocScrutinizer	c-ts is the reason I never will buy a N9	21:28
Arkenoi	what is capacitive screen good for? sexy "touch, don't press" feel? is it really worth something?	21:28
Choom	because it's a lot more sensitive to touch	21:28
korhojoa	fuck capacitive	21:28
WakiMiko	pinch to zoom is nice though	21:28
Choom	there are capacitive styluses too	21:29
WakiMiko	they suck	21:29
korhojoa	yes, and they're huge	21:29
DocScrutinizer	HAHAHA	21:29
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RST38h	Including the pinch-to-zoom stuff	21:29
Arkenoi	and i do not see any advantages of pitch to zoom over zoom button	21:29
DocScrutinizer	that's not stylus, you can eat them	21:29
DocScrutinizer	it's Wieners	21:29
korhojoa	DocScrutinizer, :DD	21:29
RST38h	It is freaking CONFUSING	21:29
WakiMiko	how is it confusing	21:29
Choom	scrolling with the N900's resistive screen with your fingers sucks a bit	21:30
RST38h	The trackpad behaves erratically	21:30
WakiMiko	Choom: i use my fingernails	21:30
RST38h	When you touch it with two fingers, by chance, it starts zooming leftandright	21:30
RST38h	Sometimes it scrolls windowfor no apparentreason (appears to be a zone of the trackpad that does it, but it is not marked)	21:30
digitalstimulus	is there a way to adjust the volume of play-sound on n810? the sound playing the default beep is more quiet than when the default beep plays adjusting the sound level	21:31
lcuk	RST38h, multitouch stroke across the screen http://liqbase.net/liq.20101122_111707.liqtop1.scr.png	21:31
RST38h	lcuk: Nice, but normally,I am not drawing whale carcasses	21:31
lcuk	sure	21:31
RST38h	lcuk: I am browsing, or programming,or something	21:31
lcuk	just testing	21:31
DocScrutinizer	digitalstimulus: none known here	21:31
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digitalstimulus	docscrutinizer thanks, I figured	21:32
DocScrutinizer	digitalstimulus: a big flaw in play-sound	21:32
digitalstimulus	I don't understand why the volume is lower on play-sound than everything else	21:33
DocScrutinizer	here it's not	21:33
MohammadAG	lcuk, that pic's kinda irritating for eyes :P	21:33
DocScrutinizer	on N900 it seems play-sound always using max volume, even when master volume is down to 2%	21:33
lcuk	MohammadAG, its also kinda awesome to draw	21:34
digitalstimulus	hmm, on n810, the default beep sound plays when adjusting the volume. At max volume it plays louder than play-sound outputs	21:34
lcuk	it makes curly loops when you draw it	21:34
lcuk	to write stuff i have to engage chalk board writing mode though	21:35
* lcuk really really wishes this device had a stylus		21:35
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thresh	ohai	21:36
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MohammadAG	lcuk, which device is "this"	21:37
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lcuk	the lenovo ideapad from the meego conf	21:38
lcuk	10" multitouch running meego netbook	21:38
MohammadAG	ah	21:38
lcuk	at present sat between my keyboard and lap trying to replace the a4 pad that used to live there :)	21:38
MohammadAG	replying to spam, to kill boredom, http://i51.tinypic.com/9uyzc0.jpg	21:39
MohammadAG	any ideas why this isn't working? if(!QFile::exists("/proc/driver/musb_hdrc")) {	21:40
MohammadAG	QMessageBox::critical(this, tr("Fatal Error"), tr("h-e-n is running on a device that doesn't have the musb OTG driver!"));	21:40
MohammadAG	QApplication::exit(1);	21:40
MohammadAG	the app doesn't quit	21:40
DocScrutinizer	doesn't quit or doesn't even notify user?	21:41
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lcuk	MohammadAG, potentially threading related? bail out of the function before doing naything else perhaps?	21:43
* lcuk does not know for certain tho		21:43
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MohammadAG	DocScrutinizer, doesn't quit, UI shows up after I click ok	21:45
lcuk	MohammadAG, when are you running this code? which method?	21:46
DocScrutinizer	hmm, so QApplication::exit(1); doesn't do what you think it should, right?	21:46
MohammadAG	lcuk, constructor	21:47
DocScrutinizer	haha	21:47
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lcuk	MohammadAG, the constructor for your class which is subclassed from qapplication?	21:48
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lcuk	ie, making use of methods which (I would expect) to not be ready until the construction was completed..)	21:49
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DocScrutinizer	yep	21:49
MohammadAG	hmm	21:49
lcuk	try flushing a toilet in a half built bathroom	21:49
lcuk	and see if the water goes where you expect	21:50
crashanddie_	lcuk: I'm guessing you're supposed to do that without using it first?	21:50
lcuk	of course :P	21:50
DocScrutinizer	MohammadAG: set a flag so your application will abort immediately, in main loop	21:50
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proycon	Hmm... Can I simply upgrade to pr1.3 with apt-get upgrade? I guess not?	21:51
lcuk	well how do you cancel construction?	21:51
lcuk	proycon, theres many things you could try, but I would recommend using the backup tool, then using ham	21:52
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DocScrutinizer	or simply make constructor throw error, this should suffice for the whole app to terminate, if not caught properly	21:52
crashanddie_	proycon: there are conflicting feedback about that	21:52
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crashanddie_	DocScrutinizer: an exception?	21:52
proycon	hmm.. cause the nokia pc suite thing will wipe and reflash everything right?	21:52
sjk	hmm	21:52
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sjk	There are "magic" tv remotes	21:53
sjk	Like, you hit a button on them and they find out what brand the tv is, somehow	21:53
sjk	And then it knows what to send	21:53
sjk	I want qtirreco to do that too. :)	21:53
sjk	I have a Samsung tv but I have no idea what model etc	21:53
DocScrutinizer51	nope there aren't	21:53
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DocScrutinizer51	those magic remotes work by you pressing a button until TV reacts (usually shutting off) So the remote knows the last time it used the right code	21:55
crashanddie_	proycon: as lcuk said, backup. Then use Hildon Application Manager to try the upgrade. If it says you need to use PC-Suite, either use pc-suite, or flash	21:56
sjk	Hrm. Well, then I'd want Irreco to do that. ;-)	21:56
DocScrutinizer	without feedback of you to tell remote "it worked" there's no way for it to find proper code	21:56
proycon	yeah, that's what I did yeah..and it indeed said to use pc-suite	21:56
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sjk	I don't have a television set myself, but there is a couple at the gym. I'd like to be able to turn up the volume sometimes, but I don't know what model the tv is	21:56
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crashanddie_	sjk: irreco can't, IIRC, there is no infrared receiver	21:56
sjk	I just know it's a Samsung	21:56
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DocScrutinizer	sjk: you could write a script for lirc, to cycle tru a set of definition files, and you hit a button as soon as the script sends a code that does what you want, so the script tells you which definition it used. Then find a matching irreco remote definition	21:59
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sjk	DocScrutinizer, good idea	22:00
DocScrutinizer	sjk: you find the backend definitions in /home/user/MyDocs/irreco/InternalLircDevices/*	22:02
DocScrutinizer	sjk: have a look into /etc/init.d/lirc	22:04
sjk	Hmmm, interesting. I'll see if I can work something out, I'll keep you guys posted. :)	22:04
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DocScrutinizer	you can use netcat or socat to talk to lirc from your script, though I'm sure there are generic lirc cmdline tools to do that as well	22:05
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Aranel	Anybody using kernel-power 46? is it safe?	22:07
DocScrutinizer	safe for waht?	22:08
Aranel	safe to install? from HAM?	22:08
* MohammadAG looks at his device		22:08
DocScrutinizer	I'd hope so	22:08
* MohammadAG looks back at PC		22:08
MohammadAG	nope, looks alive to me	22:08
Aranel	lol ok xD	22:08
DocScrutinizer	:-P	22:08
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Aranel	MohammadAG: DocScrutinizer: do you have multiboot installed?	22:09
DocScrutinizer	just don't feed it after midnight, or get it in touch with water, otherwise....	22:10
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DocScrutinizer	nah, multiboot is EVIL :-D	22:10
Aranel	well, too late , I installed it months ago :\| I wonder if uboot conflicts with it.	22:10
DocScrutinizer	honestly it won't be a happy ending to try and install power kernel on a multiboot system without taking special care	22:10
DocScrutinizer	you bet it does	22:11
Aranel	special care as in apt-get remove multiboot ?	22:11
DocScrutinizer	for example, yes	22:11
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Aranel	it looks easy.	22:11
DocScrutinizer	or like in "check multiboot howto about how to install a new kernel"	22:11
Aranel	lol is there any up-to-date howto for that?	22:12
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DocScrutinizer	dunno, but basically if you got uBoot the why'd you need multiboot anyway	22:13
Aranel	well, b/c I'm scared of removing multiboot.	22:13
DocScrutinizer	multiboot is a clever but really ugly and 'dangerous' hack. AIUI it reflashes kernel on every boot	22:14
DocScrutinizer	so it's pretty obvious why simple flashing of a new kernel won't work on multiboot - no matter if it's powerkernel or anything else	22:15
DocScrutinizer	at best it gets reverted immediately on next multi-boot	22:15
Aranel	do you know if apt-get remove multiboot works or not?	22:16
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DocScrutinizer	usually you end with a bootlooping device and you need to properly reflash fiasco COMBINED	22:16
DocScrutinizer	no idea	22:16
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Aranel	DocScrutinizer: hmm Google says NITdroid autoinstaller removes multiboot.	22:18
Aranel	worth trying it :D	22:19
DocScrutinizer	o.O	22:19
DocScrutinizer	well	22:19
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DocScrutinizer	cya	22:19
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eichi	hello, are there log files in maemo on n800 that uses to much space or other kinds of data, i can delete (caches etc)	22:22
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Aranel	http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=50811&page=51	22:26
Aranel	look at the first post.	22:26
Aranel	how could he/anyone drew a pic that nice on n900? special app or something? I'm just curious.	22:27
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Aranel	eichi: I don't know anything about N800 but common sense says that you should check /var/log if you want to remove log files. And /tmp for temporary files I guess.	22:29
lcuk	Aranel, mypaint is used by many :)	22:29
* lcuk prefers simple sketches		22:29
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Aranel	lcuk: well, then you will fall in love with my last masterpiece: http://www.aranelsurion.org/wp-content/Sketch.sketch-300x127.png	22:30
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eichi	Aranel: kay, good idea, but maybe i have to move boot to sd card again go get "infinity" space again ;)	22:30
alterego	Great, now I'm getting that annoying Qt mobility location services not working.	22:30
Aranel	I hated Art classes when I was high-schooler :\|	22:31
lcuk	alterego, you have scary imagination	22:31
DocScrutinizer	Aranel: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=41807	22:31
alterego	pfft	22:31
lcuk	alterego, one of my latest doodles http://liqbase.net/liq.20101122_111707.liqtop1.scr.png	22:31
alterego	It's annoying, because nothing has really changed to stop it from initializing the GPS and using it, it just doesn't work :/	22:32
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Aranel	DocScrutinizer: looks very cool, hope I can do better on it :)	22:33
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NooBmonk3y	MohammadAG, ping	22:36
MohammadAG	NooBmonk3y, pong	22:38
NooBmonk3y	ooo Mo Mo!	22:38
NooBmonk3y	Qt::WA_Maemo5StackedWindow !!	22:38
* NooBmonk3y needs help		22:38
NooBmonk3y	i have 1 mainwindow....	22:38
NooBmonk3y	i want to press a button and it opens up another mainwindow	22:38
crashanddie_	NooBmonk3y: I thought you understood the drill no	22:38
crashanddie_	now	22:38
crashanddie_	show code, ask question, get answer	22:38
NooBmonk3y	theres a drill?	22:38
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NooBmonk3y	crashanddie, what if i have no code?	22:38
NooBmonk3y	its theoretical code, :P	22:39
crashanddie_	then ask code, on one line	22:39
crashanddie_	not 25	22:39
NooBmonk3y	lol	22:39
MohammadAG	NooBmonk3y, then read mine :)	22:39
NooBmonk3y	read yours? oh psfreedom?	22:39
MohammadAG	NooBmonk3y, I have 3 (or was it 4...) stacked windows in PSFreedom	22:39
NooBmonk3y	can i have the git pleeeeeeeeeease	22:39
MohammadAG	and 2 in hostmode-gui	22:39
MohammadAG	3*	22:39
NooBmonk3y	:P	22:40
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MohammadAG	http://gitorious.org/n900-hostmode/hostmode-gui/trees/master	22:40
MohammadAG	code's shorter :P	22:40
MohammadAG	check mainwindow.cpp and aboutwindow.cpp	22:40
MohammadAG	helpwindow.cpp actually	22:41
NooBmonk3y	thanks Mo :)	22:41
MohammadAG	damn that commit is old...	22:41
MohammadAG	yw :)	22:41
MohammadAG	you need the attribute in both windows afaik, the main one, and the stacked window	22:41
NooBmonk3y	MohammadAG, do both windows have to be MainWindows i assume?	22:41
MohammadAG	just use CTRL + F on the files	22:41
MohammadAG	QMainWindows, yes	22:42
NooBmonk3y	:\|	22:42
MohammadAG	how do you want to have a stacked dialog? lol	22:42
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NooBmonk3y	?	22:44
NooBmonk3y	meh	22:44
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Aranel	is there a known bugs manual for kernel-power 46? or can someone just say what does work and what does not?	22:46
alterego	This is very annoying ..	22:48
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MohammadAG	alterego, what is?	22:50
alterego	It's a pain in the arse that's what it is.	22:50
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alterego	Well, code that has been working fine for ages, now doesn't seem to be working.	22:52
alterego	And there's nothing wrong with it.	22:52
alterego	Oh, nooooow it's working.	22:52
* alterego looks at what changed.		22:53
MohammadAG	alterego, heh, I got about 10 segfaults, just because the device was in portrait mode	22:53
MohammadAG	I have no idea why that happened	22:53
alterego	Noice :D	22:53
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DocScrutinizer51	RST38h: how about a direct way to zoom fontsize in xchat?	22:54
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Aranel	DocScrutinizer: do you have uboot installed now?	22:55
DocScrutinizer51	no	22:56
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Aranel	so it's not required for kernel-power?	22:56
DocScrutinizer51	no	22:56
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Aranel	^^	22:56
DocScrutinizer51	but aiui it comes with powerk by default	22:56
Aranel	and how did you remove it?	22:57
Aranel	(and why? :p)	22:57
DocScrutinizer51	I'm on PR1.2 with patches here	22:57
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DocScrutinizer51	my devel device has h-e-n kernel	22:58
DocScrutinizer51	pre-power	22:58
Aranel	oh, ok	22:59
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johndo	hi	23:01
johndo	does anybody know if either the fcam drivers or frontview is incompatible with 1.3?	23:02
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MohammadAG	no, but they're incompatible with kernel-power	23:02
ShadowJK	frontview seems to work	23:02
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DocScrutinizer51	fcam is conflicting with 1.3	23:03
johndo	i lost my /dev/video? devices after installing frontview	23:03
johndo	but not sure if i lost them before	23:03
johndo	ok, than probably fcam was the problem	23:04
johndo	after removing all fcam stuff and reboot i got the devices back	23:04
johndo	so i'm going to retry fronview, thank you	23:05
NooBmonk3y	Thank you MohammadAG :) :)	23:05
NooBmonk3y	got it working	23:05
NooBmonk3y	now i just need to figure out how to make the new window full screen ;)	23:05
MohammadAG	easily	23:06
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MohammadAG	QMainWindow::showFullScreen() would be one way	23:07
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NooBmonk3y	myscreenColour->showFullScreen();	23:07
NooBmonk3y	hehe	23:07
NooBmonk3y	lol u beat me	23:07
NooBmonk3y	oo shite	23:07
MohammadAG	and, I'm done :D	23:07
NooBmonk3y	destroy ui; doesnt work to close it lol	23:08
* MohammadAG packages up new h-e-n		23:08
NooBmonk3y	w0000t	23:08
MohammadAG	a tip given to me by w00t_	23:08
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MohammadAG	setAttribute(Qt::WA_DeleteOnClose); <-- add it to the constructor	23:08
MohammadAG	to close it, use close()	23:08
w00t_	isn't nooby a python guy?	23:09
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w00t_	i'm not sure you need that for python	23:09
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NooBmonk3y	lol :P	23:10
NooBmonk3y	w00t :) - moving healthcheck to qt / c++	23:10
w00t_	ah	23:10
w00t_	cool	23:10
NooBmonk3y	might as well leanr 2% of another language this year ;)	23:10
NooBmonk3y	about 80% done though, tis on it's way :)	23:10
NooBmonk3y	learn*	23:11
NooBmonk3y	ahaaaaaaaaaa working	23:11
* NooBmonk3y cuddles MohammadAG		23:11
* MohammadAG passes the cuddles to those who helped		23:12
MohammadAG	alterego, w00t_ and Venemo :)	23:12
alterego	fangs :)	23:13
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MohammadAG	btw alterego, I really like coding manually :P	23:14
alterego	It's fun isn't it:)	23:14
MohammadAG	hopefully, won't need to use Qt Designer again	23:14
alterego	Well, I'd still use it occasionally if I needed to knock something up quickly and I knew I didn't need to do anything special.	23:14
alterego	Which is quite rare, as I'm addicted to custom widgets ..	23:15
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johndo	frontview is working and /dev/video is still there, so frontview was innocent	23:15
MohammadAG	nope, no custom widgets here, but I hate setGeometry :)	23:16
johndo	thought it would handle camera directly, what it obviously does not do	23:16
MohammadAG	setGeometry() even	23:16
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w00t_	setGeometry loves you	23:16
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NooBmonk3y	setGeometry wants MohammadAG's babies i hear....	23:17
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MohammadAG	alterego, took some time, but it's done http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=880625&postcount=426	23:19
alterego	Meh, the best things do, I've been working on Columbus for 3 months ^.^	23:19
BCMM	MohammadAG: shiny!	23:20
alterego	MohammadAG: Why don't you remove the lable and use QMaemo5ValueButton(tr("Default File Manager");	23:20
alterego	instead.	23:20
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BCMM	does kernel-power work with fcam?	23:23
johndo	not on 1.3, just run into that	23:23
alterego	MohammadAG: which is what QMaemo5ValueButton is for ;)	23:24
BCMM	johndo: sorry, was that a response to me?	23:24
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johndo	BCMM: oops, yes. forgot the name	23:24
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BCMM	any idea if there are plans to provide fcam support in kernel-power?	23:26
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satmd	hello	23:30
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satmd	I just wanted to tell you that my eap-tls problem vanished with the latest firmware	23:31
satmd	:)	23:31
alterego	Woo :)	23:32
alterego	One satisfied customer then ;)	23:32
thresh	and only	23:33
thresh	;p	23:33
* alterego test network NMEA streaming		23:33
satmd	sadly, the n900 doesn't always autoconnect to wifi	23:33
satmd	;)	23:33
satmd	well at least it wasn't me who messed up the radius :p	23:33
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alterego	Really?	23:37
alterego	Urgh :P	23:37
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alterego	Well, TCP network streaming works, both as server or client.	23:39
MohammadAG	alterego, yeah, theming clearly shows it	23:39
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MohammadAG	night o/	23:40
alterego	You off?	23:41
alterego	Bit early isn't it?!	23:41
MohammadAG	school	23:41
alterego	Oh, haha	23:41
* MohammadAG sobs		23:41
MohammadAG	i need a netbook with Qt Creator	23:41
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alterego	It works alright, when you get it to use all real estate.	23:42
alterego	You should run it as your shell ^.^	23:42
MohammadAG	heh	23:42
BCMM	http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=867665 amused me	23:43
MohammadAG	some periods at school just don't deserve any of my (or others') time	23:43
GAN900	Another iPhone user surprised by the N900s easy learning curve.	23:43
DocScrutinizer51	WTF? Renesas Mobile Corp will buy out Nokia's GSM modem division	23:44
* MohammadAG wants Qt Creator on the N900		23:44
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NooBmonk3y	W00000t	23:44
MohammadAG	that would rock, and probably suck at the same time :P	23:44
NooBmonk3y	MohammadAG, Dead Pixel test now working on the new healthcheck :)	23:44
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MohammadAG	DocScrutinizer51, I thought they already did	23:46
MohammadAG	NooBmonk3y, :D	23:46
BCMM	DocScrutinizer51: why is that a separate division that can be sold off? i would've thought that certain hardware and software would be identical between phones and GSM modems...	23:46
BCMM	(i mean, that doing both would make sense)	23:46
DocScrutinizer51	yes	23:46
BCMM	(i'm trying not to use the word "synergy")	23:47
NooBmonk3y	:) :) - development is moving quite quickly now, got to do things like the screen mousepointer thingy test and things like the keyboard light tests :) - but going well	23:47
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