IRC log of #maemo for Monday, 2010-11-22

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NooBmonk3ynight alls :)00:00
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sjklardman|home, what do you mean?00:04
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lardman|homeI mean that you no longer need to create a separate connection, fmms should do it for you behind the scenese00:05
lardman|homethis means it won't be available for other apps to use00:05
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lardman|homeso remove the connection, then add the details to the settings in fmms00:06
lardman|homeyou probably need to use fmms or the fmms helper to remove the connection too00:06
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newbie007is there such a program that will record video and upload it to an offsite server instantly ?00:07
newbie007also encrypted file on local device00:07
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sjklardman|home, I cannot seem to delete the MMS connection00:08
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lardman|homeyep, see if there's an option in fmms, otherwise iirc there was a program that went with fmms to create and remove connections00:08
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lardman|homeis the name00:09
DocScrutinizerfrals is he name :-D00:09
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lardman|homewell yeah, but no need to bother him yet ;)00:09
* sjk installs fAPN00:10
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* kerio votes that fAPN is renamed Fap'n00:12
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DocScrutinizerhell, how much better whould've been e.g. faster-AM00:16
DocScrutinizeror FAM00:17
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DocScrutinizerI'd have to see if I can dig out one of those list from marketing, with all the 2 letter, 3 letter, and word blacklists.00:19
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DocScrutinizerI'm sure ^fap* is one of the killer regex in there00:20
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Creteilhi all00:27
CreteilIs there a way to launch osso-xterm without toolbar, in fullscreen and with specified font size ?00:27
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lardman|homesjk: got it sorted?00:29
alteregoAnyone know of a good desktop linux app that can talk to bluetooth GPS'?00:29
alteregoBy good I mean neat :)00:29
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lardman|homenight all00:31
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JaffaCreteil: NAFAIK00:33
CreteilJaffa, :-( bad news00:34
CreteilNo way to launch a console application with font params and in fullscreen so ...00:35
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pupnikOrigin of Kinect revealed:   heads up00:35
DocScrutinizerask inz00:36
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DocScrutinizerJaffa: Creteil: at least font size is stored somewhere iirc. So you'd think you could change that setting in storage location (probably gconf) prior to osso-xterm startup00:45
DocScrutinizerpretty unclean and ugly, but...00:46
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mc_teomy emails are reportable all wrong address?00:47
mc_teowhat could be the problem?00:47
CreteilDocScrutinizer, sure it's ugly, would be better if command line parameters be implemented ...00:47
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DocScrutinizercmdline parameters are supposed to be those of xterm I'd say00:47
mc_teoi think is because of captchas or something equally silly00:47
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DocScrutinizermc_teo: sorry, can't parse00:48
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mc_teowhen my email accounts try to update00:48
mc_teothey all come up a wrong username/password00:49
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mc_teoand ask me to edit settings00:49
mc_teothey are all right00:49
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ShadowJKOvi feels really international. the first page is in dutch, but offers me english. I log in, and ovi is now in swedish. I click the music store link, and ovi becomes finnish00:51
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alteregoOh ...00:54
alteregoI have to configure baud settings ..00:54
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alteregoOh, I shouldn't have to ..00:55
tugrikheh ShadowJK, yeah, the site feels a little half finished ;)00:57
tugrikany tips on how to set the title of an xterm window on my N900?00:57
alterego-t ?00:57
tugrikah, would like to change it while using it, rather than when I start it off00:58
tugrikplus I tend to start them from the menu at the top anyway00:58
DocScrutinizer51there's an ansi esc sequence to do that00:59
tugrikyeah, doesn't seem to be working for me.... wondered if I was doing something wrong00:59
alteregoDocScrutinizer51: does it work with osso-xterm though? ;)00:59
DocScrutinizer51inz mentioned he implemented title support sometime in 200701:00
DocScrutinizer51see link posted above01:01
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DocScrutinizer51if it doesn't work with stck osso-xterm then that's a reason to get a better term emu01:02
DocScrutinizer51damn, I seem to remember things like --invert01:04
DocScrutinizer51did I dream that?01:04
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* ShadowJK sighs01:15
ShadowJKSo if you buy an album of music from ovi music01:15
ShadowJKyou get download links to every individual song01:15
ShadowJKtheir filenames are just "song,mp3", without artist name, album, or track name01:16
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DocScrutinizer51ShadowJK: who cares? According to Nokia's philosophy user should"mt bother at all about filenames etc, there's tracker to sort things for you01:19
* infobot snack? yes yeaaas yeaaaaaaaaaaas pleaaase :P01:19
DocScrutinizer51I'd just die of laughter when second download's song1.mp3 overwrites first song101:21
tugrikyeah, i can set the title from the command line, but I'm trying to set up the "echo -e ..." as an alias, and not getting that bit correct01:21
ShadowJKtracker shit isn't portable01:22
alteregoread, -1 bytes, wtf?!01:22
ShadowJKI mean the data is hidden in some mysterious format somewhere01:22
* alterego is confused.01:23
ShadowJKalterego, check errno01:23
DocScrutinizer51tracker as used in maemo is as idiotic as dos1.101:23
ShadowJKSo if I move files to, say, an mp3 player, that has way too little cpu to run any fancy id3 parsing, all stuff is in some random order01:24
ShadowJKwhereas if music is as Artist/Album/number_Songname.mp3, I have a browseable in-order music experience01:24
DocScrutinizer51btw, DOES it even HAVE id3?01:24
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ShadowJKI'm about to find out01:25
DocScrutinizer51losers even01:25
ShadowJKit even has album picture in id3..01:25
ShadowJKI'm going to email them and suggest thet provide configurable naming and directory hierarchy and .rar "imager" ;-)01:26
alterego"Invalid or incomplete multibyte or wide character" wtf?! :D01:27
ShadowJKare you using threads01:29
alteregoWhy would read do that ..01:29
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ShadowJKoh god, now I'm getting dual-language sentences01:30
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DocScrutinizer51OVI, Nokia's running gag01:31
LantiziaImagine if the "beep" package was ported... you loose your N900... so you SSH to it and force it to make a noise :)01:32
ShadowJKWebsite <title> in dutch, "Hello" in english and finnish01:32
Lantiziamore geeky than simply ringing it lol01:32
DocScrutinizer51play-sound /dev/urandom01:32
SpeedEvilNokia-N900-02-8:~# cat /usr/local/bin/beep01:32
SpeedEvilplay-sound /usr/share/sounds/game-chess_checkmate.wav01:32
Lantiziamust be downstairs lol01:33
* ShadowJK wonders where to see a list of things purchased and if things can be redownloaded01:33
LantiziaShadowJK, on Ovi?01:34
Lantiziait's "My Stuff" and yeah you download as much you want01:34
ShadowJKI dont even see a my stuff link01:34
Lantiziait's the last item on the top bar of the ovi site when signed in01:34
ShadowJKwell on Ovi Store yeah, but not on Ovi Music01:35
Lantiziaaaah never used music sorry01:35
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ShadowJKon main ovi site when logged in, top right is Anonymous, Account, Support, sign out01:35
Lantiziaim on about ovi store though when viewing on the n900 itself01:36
ShadowJKurgh, there's some nonfunctional "Oh look we're awesome" void() page when I try opera01:38
ShadowJKcan't even log in01:38
* ShadowJK was hoping to get full desktop music.ovi page and finding a "my stuff"-like link01:39
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ShadowJKI click "Support", and get: "Etsintätulokset: Error: restricted with below filters"01:42
* ShadowJK thinks: "Huh?"01:43
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ShadowJKhah, I tricked it by adding a /pc to the url, and it gave me the full normal uncastrated webpage01:46
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* DocScrutinizer gasps01:46
ShadowJKwith promising "Music-account", and "Downloads information" links01:46
ShadowJKah, seems I could redownload from there01:47
DocScrutinizerisn't that quite sad?01:47
ShadowJKexcept microb hung when I tapped the download link01:47
DocScrutinizera really great and convenient user experience01:48
ShadowJKWell it didn't hang per se, the download link turned into a spinning circle thing that spun 3 quarter of a circle and then stopped. the entire page stopped working, though browser still responded01:48
DocScrutinizerI found just one positive thing about OVI and N900: videos from OVI look better on N900 than they do on my laptop01:49
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ShadowJKoh second attempt it popped up (inside the webpage) a fakedialog asking if I want to redownload01:50
DocScrutinizerthis might be due to my really lazy and poor laptop video codec maintenance though01:50
DocScrutinizerjoy of ecmascript?01:51
ShadowJKthe fakedialog insists to self-center, which makes it impossible to zoom in on :D01:51
ShadowJKbecause when I zoom in on the download button, it centers itself and download button is moved offscreen01:52
* DocScrutinizer wonders how those web "programmers" always manage to never user their own dogfood on the intended target platform01:53
ShadowJKto be fair, this is the /pc "platform"01:54
ShadowJKthe redownload doesn't seem to be available from the default interface offered when visiting music store with n90001:54
DocScrutinizer"see, it works like a charm" (when running off cache/local-HDD, on a Mac with a 3GHz quad core)01:55
DocScrutinizerShadowJK: this lil "phone" is much better than my prev laptop ever could get01:55
DocScrutinizerI wonder/hope if there's a special hell for those web "programmers"01:57
ShadowJK"{Missing display text mapping for 'softkey.options' in language 'fi'}"01:57
sp3000timeless_mbp: so, there's a lot of stuff (potentially, at least)01:57
sp3000I could use a "purpose of the document" brief, as in, what sort of change it wants to effect01:58
ShadowJKgreat, could you just give me english then?01:58
DocScrutinizertana_fi FTW - MUHAHA01:58
sp3000to, you know, guide edits :)01:58
sp3000(it more or less matches mmit_en)01:59
* alterego yawns02:00
sp3000sounds like a plan02:00
* sp3000 &02:00
DocScrutinizerhow nuts must be a developer team that makes my N810 diablo display a requester like "[tana_fi_appstarter_load_application]"02:02
ShadowJKthe "pc" website is also trying to convince me to download adobe flash now and then :)02:02
DocScrutinizerhooray for that02:03
DocScrutinizerSEVEN hells02:03
* ShadowJK wonders how to make *.ovi.* use just english instead of the current mix of 4 languages..02:03
DocScrutinizer...for web "programmers" exclusively02:03
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ShadowJKI found a language setting, and it stuck for, well, only the settings change confirmation page02:05
DocScrutinizerthe prototype of "oh well, it'll probably mess up and break everything except MSIE-4711., but that bouncing dot is just TOO COOL!!"02:06
ShadowJKand then reverted back to navigation links in english and content in mostly finnish02:06
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ShadowJKpositively I haven't seen dutch in awhile, which is good because I don't really understand it :D02:08
DocScrutinizer"so please install flash27.3 [link to BS], as this site won't work without that. But then, no other site has such a cool bouncing dot"02:08
ShadowJKoh well, in the end I did manage to download a DRM-free music album in 256kbit/s mp302:09
DocScrutinizergreat! I prefer to buy the CD, or even the vinyl02:09
ShadowJKconsidering the sophistication of ripping software, that'd probably been easier and faster :)02:11
ShadowJKLast cd I bought was in 2000, when it didn't play in my PC's cd playe02:11
ShadowJKdue to some drm crap02:12
DocScrutinizeryes. This whole crap feel slike controlling your toilet paper dispenser with a mainframe, just to get poor quality paper (good one will not be compatible to the dispenser mechanic)02:12
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DocScrutinizerunless it's at least flac, on half the price of the record in CD or vinyl - it can rot unnoticed for me02:15
DocScrutinizerand nota bene a coninuous media file, with a proper cut sheet, so I don't get those annoying breaks between songs of e.g. Pink Floyd02:16
DocScrutinizerthis whole mp3 crap is indigestible fast food by design02:19
ShadowJKit was almost exactly half price of cd02:19
ShadowJKyeah, .flac with .cue is nice format too02:19
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macmaNhi gents02:53
macmaNif i wanted to patch n900's media player, where is the source tree for it02:56
macmaN ?02:58
SpeedEvilThere is no source.02:59
Robot101the UI is not open - the backend might be - called mafw02:59
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macmaNcrap, the ui is not open? well thats a big booboo on my plans03:00
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macmaNi think the whole thing is a quite well done piece of media player, i'd like to add Love button and add an automatic playlist for those03:02
macmaNi've come to like it better than mediabox..03:03
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BCMMam i right in saying that all the DSP stuff is implemented in gstreamer plugins, and that any application that plays audio and video using gstreamers gets to use the DSP?03:13
Robot101BCMM: right03:14
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SpeedEvilIF the codec is one of the DSP accelerated codecs03:16
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robbiethe1stHey all.03:36
DocScrutinizerhi Robot10103:36
Robot101DocScrutinizer: hey! :P03:37
robbiethe1stHm... Anyone know how to turn off autocomplete for xchat on Maemo?03:42
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SpeedEvilyou mean nick autocomplte?03:44
robbiethe1stNo, text-autocomplete03:49
robbiethe1stWhen I type in the text box, I get all sorts of suggestions, and it's quite annoying.03:50
BCMMrobbiethe1st: you can turn it off globally in settings03:51
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robbiethe1stAh, thanks.03:54
robbiethe1stProblem solved.03:54
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iluminator101is there app similar to bd remote in driod in maemo?05:31
iluminator101is there an app similar to bd remote in driod in maemo?05:34
pupnikis there an app similar to fapm in android?05:35
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iluminator101has anyone used wireshark in n900 do i have to give it permission to run, is dumpcap available in repos06:19
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pupnik1) yes 2) iirc it needs root 3) i don't know06:24
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jase21Suppose I messed the N900 (Maemo OS). Does flashing the restore the phone to original state?06:34
pupnikif you flash with the original image, basically yes06:35
infoboti guess flashing is
jase21Where can I get the original image? (You mean like PR 1.2, PR 1.3)?06:36
psycho_oreosread the link infobot gave06:36
DocScrutinizer51bot not allowed in jeopardy :-P06:40
* jase21 is reading that link06:41
psycho_oreoswhat's that supposed to mean? when you need the bot in vain? :)06:41
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infobotHowdy Bub06:44
infobotHowdy Bub06:44
infobothello, jase2106:45
jase21~are you stupid06:45
jase21~I know that.06:45
infobotYou know that.?06:45
jase21Is the infobot just matching from the database?06:45
jase21The link clarifies it. Now I think I can do play with Maemo without fear06:46
jase21When I connect online Maemo pops up an update notification. Its around 80 MB. Is that PR 1.3 update?06:48
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Termanagood morning07:38
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JaffaMorning, all09:38
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djszapiHow can I use '~' character (home directory) on my N90010:13
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johnxhit the 'fn' key then 'sym/ctrl'10:14
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djszapiwhich is the 'fn' key ?10:15
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Appiahbelow the 'sym' :D10:15
Appiahblue arrow10:15
djszapidoes not work for me.10:16
johnxdoes it pop up the list of symbols?10:16
djszapiah okay, it works now, I did something wrong10:16
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djszapiso I can choose this character there, koolish.10:16
johnxand you have to hit ~ twice before it adds it10:16
djszapiyeah, kool10:17
djszapiwhy does not the alias work in 'sudo gainroot' ?10:17
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djszapiI have set the /home/user/.profile and /root/.profile and it works as the 'user' user, but not as this 'sudo gainroot' stuff.10:18
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johnxdjszapi, it might not be a 'login' shell when you gainroot, so .profile may not be read? (might be wrong)10:19
djszapino idea.10:19
johnxdoes it work if you manually source .profile after sudo gainroot?10:19
djszapiit opens up /home/user/.profile when I type vim ~/.profile in 'sudo gainroot' mode.10:19
johnxyeah, so it's not running a login shell for gainroot10:20
djszapiyeah, if I source it 'manually' then it works.10:20
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djszapiso how can I alias for the 'root' ?10:20
johnxi dunno if ash reads something like a .ashrc. try and google and see if it does10:20
djszapi* do an alias10:21
djszapiwell, profile is what you need there according to the google results.10:21
djszapibut we see that it just does not work.10:21
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johnxyes. with bash, .profile is read for login shells, and .bashrc is read for other shells10:21
RST38hheya johnx10:22
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johnxhey RST38h10:22
johnxdjszapi, google: ash .ashrc10:22
timeless_mbpsp3000: hrm, yeah, i suppose a purpose could be a good idea10:22
johnxRST38h, how is your side of the planet?10:23
djszapimaybe /etc/profile.10:23
djszapijohnx: ashrc does not work10:23
djszapinor an ultimate solution though.10:24
djszapi'/etc/profile' does not work either :/10:24
johnxwhat about ~/.ashrc, the . is kinda important10:26
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djszapiI have already told you more times it does not work.10:27
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johnxyou told me "ashrc" doesn't work. and you definitely didn't do the google search I suggested10:28
johnxso, good luck10:29
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djszapiI definitely did hours ago.10:30
johnxand you found that?10:30
johnxand tried it?10:30
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djszapiand I have told you million times it did not work ?!10:31
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djszapifurthermore the issue is solved what is mentioned there (for simple user...)10:31
djszapibut this is what I have also already told you10:31
johnxanother question then. did you install rootsh?10:32
RST38hjohnx: cold, slightly snowy10:32
RST38hjohnx: lights are off, probably for the next couple of months10:33
johnxRST38h, that outside-light? it's pretty unreliable here in the best of times10:33
johnxdjszapi, if you just install rootsh and run root, root's .profile is sourced since it uses a login shell10:34
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djszapidoes not work here.10:35
djszapiafter that package installation.10:35
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johnxso you install rootsh, you run 'root' instead of 'sudo gainroot' and export's put in root's .profile don't work?10:36
johnxcause they do work here...10:36
djszapiahh not sudo gainroot, I see.10:36
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djszapiit works that way, ty.10:36
johnxdjszapi, when you're busy criticizing me for not reading what you said, you should at least make sure you read what I said :P10:36
djszapiI do not think it is the time to blame anybody.10:37
djszapiI just did not know this rootsh package and you enlighted me how to use, everybody is happy.10:37
johnxglad it works for you10:37
djszapity =)10:38
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RST38hjohnx: yea, inside works fine :)10:40
johnxRST38h, well, that's all that really matters. those outside-light things are basically legacy systems as far as I care10:41
johnxaren't they up for replacement soon?10:41
RST38hjohnx: they are, but I am not sure humans are in the new design document10:42
johnxRST38h, I should make sure I get myself written in as a requirement then10:43
kerioDocScrutinizer: wait, why aren't split files with proper start and end times ok?10:44
kerio(re:music bought online)10:44
RST38hjohnx: the specs have been sent by the upper management and we are not there =)10:45
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johnxguess it's time for a little bribe money to grease the wheels and good lobbyist :>10:45
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RST38hjohnx: Haven't we crucified the last one? =)10:48
johnxRST38h, yeah. wonder if that's a sore point10:49
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Venemo_N900good morning MohammadAG11:07
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Venemo_N900what is the hildon-initscripts package?11:10
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johnxVenemo_N900, apt-cache show hildon-initscripts11:13
johnxand for specific files: dpkg -L hildon-initscripts11:13
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Venemo_N900johnx: thx11:14
johnxin this case 'hildon' means 'miscellaneous' and 'initscripts' means 'config files and utilities'11:14
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Venemo_N900johnx: yeah11:15
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Venemo_N900but why did it get updated?11:15
johnxwith PR1.3?11:16
Venemo_N900no, I guess it was in the community ssu repo11:16
Venemo_N900just made me curious11:16
johnxlooks like there's a version in tools11:16
johnxprobably not a good idea to take that update unless you know it's from the community SSU ..11:17
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johnxmornin' crashanddie11:17
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Venemo_N900johnx: maybe it was from the SDK repo? (just added that too)11:18
johnxyeah. that's what I meant by 'tools'11:18
johnxI would download it, and diff the files against the ones you have11:18
Venemo_N900johnx: hmm11:19
johnxif I had to guess, I'd bet there's a difference in ''11:19
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Venemo_N900johnx: I think it would be best if I just reinstalled the right one11:22
johnxthat's probably a good idea ;)11:22
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Venemo_N900johnx: why is it that (not all, but many of) the Nokia guys are morons when it comes to bugs?11:31
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crashanddieThe answer was in the question11:37
crashanddie"the Nokia guys"11:38
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Venemo_N900crashanddie: yeah, but...11:38
Venemo_N900they take pride in contributing to different open source communities and everything11:39
Venemo_N900so why they suck with their own community then?11:39
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Surfabecause maintenance is boring and disgusting work11:44
crashanddieWhy can crackwhores be really nice with customers, but can't treat their own kids well for two damns?11:44
Surfait's more fun to do new things11:44
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crashanddieWhy does an abusive husband beat his own wife, but make tender love to his mistress?11:44
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crashanddieMost probably because he "owns" his own wife, and there's nothing exciting about trying to conquer her. The mistress, however, he's on the edge of losing if he's not careful, so he's very sweet and indulging11:46
crashanddieOr I can go for a car analogy if this one wasn't obvious enough...11:46
Venemo_N900I get it11:47
sjklardman|gone, I thitnk I did, yeah. :)11:47
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D-Iivil_WorkI'm failing to flash eMMC image.11:56
D-Iivil_WorkAfter flashing only the kernel without reboot, I command the flasher to flash Vanilla, it finds the device, says it's gonna boot the device into flash mode, after that I see the "dots" running a while, then it stops and stays there forever and flasher tells "no suitable device found"...11:57
Venemo_N900D-Iivil_Work: how is that?11:57
Venemo_N900D-Iivil_Work: shut it down and try again11:58
D-Iivil_WorkAfter that the device is in non-bootable condition. I can however flash the PR1.3 image and make the device bootable again. But I really want to be able to flash the emmc and wipe the device clean..11:58
infobotwell, flashing is
D-Iivil_WorkVenemo_N900, I've tried like twenty times...11:58
Venemo_N900D-Iivil_Work: :(11:58
Venemo_N900D-Iivil_Work: are you tring the newest eMMc image?11:59
D-Iivil_WorkVenemo_N900, the latest that's available at Nokia's server.11:59
D-Iivil_WorkJust downloaded it this morning before started to trying to flash.11:59
psycho_oreosnokia's server?11:59
D-Iivil_WorkBut I'm gonna give Ubuntu a try if it's the old Windows XP that's failing.11:59
psycho_oreosahh that12:00
D-Iivil_WorkAllthough the eMMC is pretty old (10.2010.13-2) compared to PR1.3 image..12:00
psycho_oreosI'd normally flash via fiasco image first and then the emmc12:00
D-Iivil_Workpsycho_oreos, that's what I've been trying to do.12:01
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D-Iivil_Workpsycho_oreos, first flashing only the kernel from PR1.3 image without reboot option, then flashing the vanilla and no-go.12:01
psycho_oreosD-Iivil_Work, though no reboot in between, so its flasher without the -R switch12:01
D-Iivil_WorkI also tried to flash the full PR1.3 image with and without reboots in between and still no go with vanilla.12:01
psycho_oreoswhat if you try flashing the emmc image and then the fiasco?12:01
D-Iivil_WorkThe device just hangs when it's supposed to be booted into flashing mode.12:02
D-Iivil_Workpsycho_oreos, tell me how to get that damn emmc flashed and I will :D12:02
Venemo_N900D-Iivil_Work: what is the command you use for flashing?12:02
D-Iivil_Workhold on..12:02
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D-Iivil_Work-F emmc_image_here.bin -f -R12:02
psycho_oreosthe device shouldn't reboot iirc if you didn't use -R12:03
D-Iivil_Workpsycho_oreos, ofcourse it doesn't boot after flashing the fiasco.12:03
psycho_oreoswell -R will reboot the device, and so I presume you had that emmc command last?12:03
D-Iivil_Workpsycho_oreos, yes.12:03
D-Iivil_Workpsycho_oreos, and that's the one I can't get to pass.12:03
Venemo_N900D-Iivil_Work: seems ok. with what command did you flash the other image?12:04
D-Iivil_WorkVenemo_N900, for just the fiasco: -F fiasco_image.bin --flash-only=kernel -f12:04
D-Iivil_WorkVenemo_N900, and also: -F fiasco_image.bin -f12:04
psycho_oreoshmm, what if you flash the emmc first, so it'll be -F emmc_image_here.bin -f &&  -F fiasco_image.bin -f -R12:05
D-Iivil_WorkBoth of those are going in just nice12:05
D-Iivil_Workpsycho_oreos, the eMMC WON'T GO IN :D12:05
D-Iivil_WorkThis is the output of the flasher:12:05
D-Iivil_WorkUSB device found found at bus 001, device address 006.12:05
D-Iivil_WorkFound device RX-51, hardware revision 210112:05
D-Iivil_WorkNOLO version 1.4.1312:05
D-Iivil_WorkVersion of 'sw-release': RX-51_2009SE_1.2009.42-11.002_PR_00212:05
D-Iivil_WorkBooting device into flash mode.12:05
D-Iivil_WorkSuitable USB device not found, waiting.12:05
Venemo_N900D-Iivil_Work: ok12:05
psycho_oreosprobably not a good idea to flash just the kernel12:05
D-Iivil_Workpsycho_oreos, also tried to flash the full fiasco and then emmc, but still no go.12:05
psycho_oreosD-Iivil_Work, weird :)12:05
Venemo_N900D-Iivil_Work: use just -F imagename.bin -f12:05
Venemo_N900D-Iivil_Work: is your device bootable right now?12:06
D-Iivil_WorkVenemo_N900, for the eMMC? It will_not_work. The command is correct.12:06
D-Iivil_WorkVenemo_N900, yep.12:06
Venemo_N900D-Iivil_Work: well then turn it off12:06
D-Iivil_WorkVenemo_N900, just flashed in the PR1.3 fiasco and I'm on the desktop.12:06
psycho_oreoswhat if you flashed with pr1.2, and then emmc and when it loads up correctly, flash it with pr1.3 fiasco?12:07
Venemo_N900psycho_oreos: no need12:07
D-Iivil_Workpsycho_oreos, will try that. Donwloading the pr1.2 fiasco atm.12:07
D-Iivil_WorkBut the device is now shut down.12:07
D-Iivil_WorkWill try to flash the emmc one more time...12:07
Venemo_N900D-Iivil_Work: shut it down and hold the U key like you did previously and connect it to the computer12:07
Venemo_N900D-Iivil_Work: then just flash with the emmc image12:08
psycho_oreosVenemo_N900, you have a better solution if neither flashing emmc directly works nor flashing the full fiasco image of pr1.3 and then emmc?12:08
RobbieThe1stD-Iivil_Work: Note that all the required files for booting are inside the fiasco image. The emmc just sets up the partitions and potentially some (not required) files.12:08
D-Iivil_WorkVenemo_N900, no go.12:08
Venemo_N900psycho_oreos: well he only tried flashing the emmc after flashing kernel-only12:09
Venemo_N900DocScrutinizer: any idea?12:09
D-Iivil_WorkVenemo_N900, I told I tried to flash the emmc numerous times after flashing ALSO the full fiasco.12:09
psycho_oreosVenemo_N900, though he did say the full fiasco flashing didn't work :)12:09
Venemo_N900oh, sorry.12:09
Venemo_N900well you may wanna try from Linux too. the Windows flasher is just dumb12:09
D-Iivil_WorkNo go, dimmed Nokia logo on the screen after the flasher says "Booting device into flash mode."12:10
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D-Iivil_WorkOkay.. Ubuntu up and running, trying to flash there.12:11
psycho_oreosthat's with pr1.2?12:11
Venemo_N900D-Iivil_Work: a live cd should be enough for this purpose12:12
D-Iivil_WorkNo go with flasher @ ubuntu enviroment.12:12
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D-Iivil_WorkVenemo_N900, I have one machine running Ubuntu, it just wasn't powered on.12:13
hrwD-Iivil_Work: works for me12:13
crashanddieD-Iivil_Work, are you trying to not be helpful or what?12:13
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crashanddieD-Iivil_Work, "no go" is about as useful as "abloobliblablubleh"12:13
Venemo_N900D-Iivil_Work: ok12:13
D-Iivil_WorkBut same thing, the goddamn device doesn't enter into "flash mode" or what ever it is that emmc is trying to make it go :)12:13
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D-Iivil_Workcrashanddie, I've provided the detailed info about the state that flasher and the device goes after inputting the command to flash the emmc12:14
D-Iivil_Workcrashanddie, this is what happens:12:14
D-Iivil_Workcrashanddie, the actual device is on state where I can only see dimmed Nokia logo without the usb-icon on top right.12:15
D-Iivil_Workcrashanddie, once it managed to show the runnind dots on dimmed backgroudn for a while and then the dots stopped moving and stayed there forever.12:16
RobbieThe1stOk, here's what you do: unplug and turn off the device. use the flasher command, then plug in the device.12:16
crashanddiewhat version of Maemo is it running?12:16
RobbieThe1stIt will turn on and start flashing12:16
D-Iivil_Workcrashanddie, currently it's flashed with PR1.3 fiasco12:16
D-Iivil_WorkRobbieThe1st, the thing is.. it won't.12:16
D-Iivil_WorkRobbieThe1st, I let it stay there for one hour with no change of the state.12:17
RobbieThe1stNo... wait.12:17
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RobbieThe1stYou put the flasher such that it's waiting, "suitable device not found", and with the n900 -off-, plug it in.12:17
RobbieThe1stwhat happens?12:17
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RobbieThe1stTake out the battery if you have to, but make sure the n900 is completely off before you plug it in via USB(and that the flasher is "waiting" also)12:18
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D-Iivil_WorkRobbieThe1st, nothing happens if I disconnect the device on that state.12:20
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D-Iivil_WorkRobbieThe1st, and re-connect it.12:20
RobbieThe1stIt doesn't turn on?12:20
D-Iivil_WorkRobbieThe1st, the device turn on yes, but the flasher wont' find it since it's trying to boot the device into "flash mode"12:21
crashanddieJust hold the bloody u key down12:22
D-Iivil_Workcrashanddie, ofcourse I'm holding it down.12:22
crashanddieor whatever button it is you have to hold down in order to tell it to flash12:22
RobbieThe1stI think he tried to12:22
RobbieThe1stI always have done it This way: (8:30+)12:22
D-Iivil_Workcrashanddie, as I told.. I can successfully flash the fiasco images, but for some bizarre reason the eMMC won't go in.12:22
D-Iivil_Workcrashanddie, flasher finds the device, it tells it's "Booting device into flash mode" and after that nothing, empty, halted.12:23
crashanddiewhat do you need the emmc for?12:23
D-Iivil_Workcrashanddie, I want the device cleaned up from my own stuff completely.12:23
D-Iivil_Workcrashanddie, ofcourse if there's a way to "format" the device without flasher, please share.12:24
Venemo_N900D-Iivil_Work: just format the vfat partition12:24
Venemo_N900D-Iivil_Work: /opt will be ereased when you flash a PR image12:25
crashanddieD-Iivil_Work, your emmc is corrupt to start with12:25
D-Iivil_WorkVenemo_N900, but all the contacts, sms's and that stuff isn't12:25
crashanddieactually, no, not the emmc12:25
crashanddieYour rootfs is dead12:25
crashanddieor not good, anyway12:25
D-Iivil_Workcrashanddie, how come? I can flash the rootfs with no problems.12:25
crashanddieIt should tell you "Version of sw-release': blablabla something like RX-51_2010...12:25
Venemo_N900D-Iivil_Work: contacts and stuff should disappear when you reflash with PR 1.312:25
D-Iivil_Workcrashanddie, it tells, I just was lazy when typing that stuff into pastebin.12:26
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D-Iivil_Workcrashanddie, (can't copypaste from another machine into this chat window)12:26
crashanddieor rather, idc12:26
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Venemo_N900D-Iivil_Work: pastebin is for pasting, not typing12:26
RobbieThe1stI'm guessing that the rootfs flashes, but that the emmc isn't read/writable so it can't copy the required files on first boot12:26
D-Iivil_WorkVenemo_N900, :P12:26
D-Iivil_WorkVenemo_N900, actually I first typed them into Notepad and then pasted into pastebin, so technically what I did was pasting ;-)12:27
Venemo_N900lol :P12:27
Venemo_N900D-Iivil_Work: afaik your contacts should disappear when you flash with a rootfs image12:29
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D-Iivil_WorkVenemo_N900, hmm... might be. Can't check right now. Maybe I'll just manually wipe the unwanted stuff (like the sqlite database for sms's etc).12:30
Venemo_N900isn't it possible that the files you downloaded are corrupt and this is why they ain't working?12:32
D-Iivil_WorkVenemo_N900, that's one option, yes.12:32
D-Iivil_WorkGonna try to download the emmc image from another machine and try it out :)12:32
Venemo_N900check md5 checksum too12:32
D-Iivil_WorkVenemo_N900, where do I get the original MD5 of the emmc?12:33
D-Iivil_WorkVenemo_N900, it's not shared on :-(12:33
Venemo_N900well then I dunno12:34
D-Iivil_WorkVenemo_N900, well.. it cannot corrupt two times in a row with to different computers, can it? :D At least the change for that is very small...12:34
Venemo_N900D-Iivil_Work: yep12:36
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Venemo_N900RST38h: ipad is in the "don't care" category for me12:37
RobbieThe1stIt's in the "absolutely useless" category for me.12:37
Venemo_N900RobbieThe1st: agreed12:38
Venemo_N900for casual use, the ipad is too large (not pocketable)12:38
Venemo_N900for work, it is too small and has no keyboard12:39
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crashanddieit's meant as a leave-it-in-the-living-room device12:39
crashanddieand for that, it serves its purpose excellently12:39
crashanddieI don't have to use my laptop in the living room12:39
crashanddieI can show pictures and videos to friends and families12:39
Venemo_N900yeah, but I don't get what the advantage of that is12:39
RobbieThe1stThat's what my n900's for12:39
crashanddiewell, it's not as involved12:40
Venemo_N900I mean, versus a laptop or a netbook12:40
crashanddieI can just put it down as I would a book, or a newspaper12:40
crashanddiea laptop, there's wires, it runs out of battery, it's bulky12:40
Venemo_N900well the tablet also runs out of battery12:40
crashanddieit's probably not for the people who have wires running in their living room, though12:40
Venemo_N900but a netbook for one is already better than an ipad12:41
crashanddiewell, "better", or "best" is highly relative12:41
crashanddieeither it suits your needs, or it doesn't12:41
D-Iivil_WorkOkay, worked now. Didn't re-download the emmc image, but flashed the PR1.2 fiasco first. Weird.12:41
crashanddiea netbook has a keyboard too cramped to use it12:41
Venemo_N900if I wanna show photos in the living room, I just connect the N900 to the TV12:42
crashanddieand the screen, well, it's shite12:42
crashanddieagain, wires, you have to move from where you sat if you use the n900's tv connection12:42
crashanddieeveryone has to pay attention, TV needs to be on, huge distraction12:43
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Venemo_N900well if not everyone wants to, there is the n900 itself12:43
RobbieThe1stThat's what I do12:43
crashanddiewith a shit screen, shit keyboard, and shit browser12:43
crashanddieand  12h battery12:43
crashanddieYou really look cool when you have to hold the screen within 4 inches of your face ^^12:44
Venemo_N900well I dunno why youre making such a problem of this12:44
Venemo_N900ya see? you woke up alterego12:45
crashanddieI'm just one supporting the iPad and suddenly I'm making a problem?12:45
Venemo_N900crashanddie: anyway, I recommend you this for the iPad:
D-Iivil_WorkOkay, then next question, how can I make ext2 partition that default web browser can access to? Partition should be on MMC card.12:45
alteregopfft, the iPad would be worth something if it had usb ports ..12:45
crashanddieVenemo_N900, it's not about putting it in your pocket, I leave it in the living room12:46
RST38hVenemo: This won't work12:46
Venemo_N900alterego: crashanddie loves it anyway12:46
Venemo_N900RST38h: what?12:46
alteregoEach to their own.12:46
crashanddiealterego, exactly12:46
RST38hVenemo: There is normally an Apple-branded toilet plunger sticking out of the spot where they are attaching the pocket12:46
RST38hVenemo: So, no, it will not work.12:46
Venemo_N900crashanddie: so it's practically useless for me12:46
Venemo_N900RST38h: lol. it is funny still12:47
crashanddieVenemo_N900, sure, I was just pointing out that other people may have other needs12:47
Venemo_N900crashanddie: yep, that's why I said "for me"12:47
Venemo_N900crashanddie: but I understand what you meant12:48
crashanddieVenemo_N900, this one should make you chuckle though:
RST38hBTW, I am still not getting the netbook craze12:49
RST38hIt is a laptop. A shitty laptop. Why not get a real one?12:49
keriobecause eeepcs are so cute ^_^12:50
Venemo_N900RST38h: hehe :)12:50
Venemo_N900nah crashanddie, found a real nice one for you:
crashanddiehaha, yeah, saw that a while ago12:51
Venemo_N900RST38h: some people prefer the size and battery life of netbooks12:51
Venemo_N900RST38h: not me.12:51
Venemo_N900RST38h: for such purposes, I use the N90012:51
RST38hVenemo: You can get a laptop that is the size of a netbook and works for about the same time12:52
RST38hSlightly (~2 hours) shorter maybe12:52
RobbieThe1stDamn, that's impressive. Take a look at that will it blend video - half way through bashing it over the corner of the blender, and its -still working-12:53
Venemo_N900RST38h: yeah, seen something like that, costs lots of money12:53
RST38hVenemo: Starts at $80012:54
RST38hVenemo: The high end model is $150012:54
Venemo_N900RST38h: yeah... that is a lot for me12:54
Venemo_N900RST38h: I prefer regular sized laptops anyway12:55
Venemo_N900RST38h: for work, I don't like those too small screens12:55
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crashanddie13" laptop is the best12:56
Venemo_N90013" is way too small for any work12:57
crashanddiesmall for transport (I travel a whole lot), relatively light, 8+ hours autonomy, docking station for keyboard / mouse / 27" monitor12:57
RobbieThe1st15" laptop with 1680x1050 screen = awesome12:57
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Venemo_N900I prefer 15", with at least 1366x76812:58
Corsac14" at 1400×1050 rocks, and 12" at the same resolution is even better :/12:58
sougataHowto stop network-manager in chinook12:58
Corsacthough nobody produces standard aspect screens anymore12:58
crashanddieCorsac, yeah, widescreen is horrible for developers12:59
nidOI'm clearly going to get flamed mercilessly but unless it has some massive enormous as-yet-unreported flaw i'm almost certainly grabbing a dell duo when theyre available12:59
crashanddieI tried to use my 27" in portrait mode, absolutely horrible12:59
Venemo_N900yeah... although it may be good if you have long lines of code12:59
crashanddiethe fonts look like crap, and angle of view is stupid12:59
* haltdef wants that convertible tablet from dell13:00
nidOhaltdef: thats the duo13:00
inzRobbie, 15" at 1920x1200 is awesomer.13:00
haltdefthat's the one13:00
haltdeflooks delightful13:00
RobbieThe1stThey -make- them that nice?13:00
CorsacnidO: not sure about the duo but don't ever buy a “home” dell13:00
Corsacwell, not only from dell13:00
nidOdell make nice screens and netbooks but I wouldnt touch their desktops13:01
RobbieThe1stWell, not sure about other systems, but 1680x1050's the best you can get on a ThinkPad T500, so that's what I got.13:01
Corsacwell, their soho laptops are crap too13:01
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CorsacI don't like their business laptop much either, but it's less crap13:01
RobbieThe1stNear-indestructible laptop, decent specs, great screen.13:02
Corsachmhm, duo is inspiron, inspiron is soho, thus it's crap, period :)13:02
RST38hVenemo: $800 is only twice the netbook price, and you do not buy it every year13:02
hrwcrashanddie: as developer I prefer widescreen then 4:313:02
RST38hVenemo: [and yes, I do all my work on a subnotebook that is smaller than some netbooks)13:02
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* kerio has a 17" mbp13:03
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hrwcrashanddie: in 1920x1080 or 1680x1050 I can open two code windows vertically13:03
Venemo_N900RST38h: what I've seen cost twice that13:03
crashanddiehrw, I'd rather have 1920x114013:04
crashanddiehrw, still allows for two code windows vertically, and 100 lines of code for context13:04
hrwcrashanddie: I hoped for 1920x1200 but 16:10 were hard to find13:04
RobbieThe1st1920x1080 may not be as good as 1920x1200, but it's currently the biggest you can get with 120hz input13:05
* nidO hugs 1680x105013:05
hrwRobbieThe1st: why not?13:05
hrwnidO: this is good resolution for 20"13:05
haltdefyou have nvidia 3d or something?13:05
fluxhrw, just bought HP ZR24w, it seems quite nice, it has 1920x120013:05
sougataCan someone please tell me how to stop and start network-manager for Chinook13:05
hrwflux: in states?13:05
RobbieThe1stum... what?13:06
fluxhrw, nope, in Finland. I imagined the situation wouldn't be worse there :).13:06
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RobbieThe1stWell, I've got all nvidia-3d components aside from the glasses and Windows version. I -love- it as a 2d monitor though; animations seem smoother and (provided you have a good enough video card) fps games too13:07
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RobbieThe1stYou play a FPS game at 100fps+ on a monitor that can support it... You'll never go back to a 60hz monitor.13:08
alteregounles you're an addict and you have to13:08
alteregoI have me xbox for games ..13:08
RobbieThe1st*never -want- to go back13:09
haltdefah nice13:09
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hrwprboom will give >100fps on my desktop/laptop and this is the only fps which I am able to play13:09
crashanddiealterego, heh, ps3 here. only game i occasionally (as in, once a month) play on the computer is SC2 at work13:09
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RobbieThe1sthrw: But, you don't have a screen capable of handling it.13:09
haltdefI'd onoly buy a 120hz monitor for nvidia 3d, it'd cost me a hell of a lot though .. don't have an nvidia card either13:09
haltdefand can't find anywhere to try the damn thing before buying, might be crap :P13:10
Venemo_N900I don't play that much so I don't want a console13:10
crashanddiealterego, I nearly got a console for the fable series13:10
Venemo_N900and also, I prefer having a well enough video card in my laptop so I can take my games with me13:10
infobotcrashanddie meant: alterego, I nearly got a xbox for the fable series13:10
Venemo_N900fable is available for pc isn't it?13:11
RobbieThe1stI  went from a 1280x1024 monitor @80hz or so to a 1680x1050 monitor at 60hz. It was -acceptable-, but when I upgraded I spent quite a bit and got a nice, high-end Alienware AW2310. I -love- it.13:11
crashanddieone thing I never understood about the 360 though... Why call it 360 and not make it have a circular design?13:11
crashanddiewhy square?13:11
crashanddieVenemo_N900, my computers really aren't up for gaming13:12
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hrwRobbieThe1st: 12" green @50 -> 14" mono @58.5 -> 17" @96 -> 17" @96 -> 20" @60 -> 24" @60 + 20" @6013:12
Venemo_N900Starcraft 2! :P13:12
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Venemo_N900that is just the best13:13
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crashanddieif only they'd removed the DRM13:15
crashanddieand not banned people from multiplayer because they cheated in single player13:15
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sougataCan someone help me13:25
sougataI want to stop the network-manager13:25
sougatafor a n80013:25
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slonopotamushello from authorized nokia repair service14:03
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slonopotamus'we found no charging issues but replaced power button and resoldered usb connector'14:04
slonopotamusand, obviously, i cannot reproduce the problem anymore :)14:05
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ShadowJKWhat charging issues did you have?14:18
slonopotamusShadowJK, it stopped/started again on minimal moves of plugged in charger connector14:21
keriodid someone port sauerbraten to the n900 yet?14:21
kerioalso does someone know why leaks memory like an old whore?14:22
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slonopotamuskerio, scrollback history?14:23
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keriothe first question is related to the fps of fps thing14:24
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lolloohellooo0oo everyone14:31
* Shapeshifter cues clown music14:31
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MohammadAGi need help, lots of it14:45
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MohammadAGpulseaudio doesn't start at boot up14:45
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MohammadAGi tried start pulseaudio in terminal, got respawning too fast14:47
MohammadAGnow i'm used to this shit happening, but I had to make a call14:47
MohammadAGso i chmod +x'd /etc/event.d/pulseaudio and used it14:47
jacekowskii don't think that will help14:48
jacekowskitry just14:48
jacekowskistart pulseaudio14:48
jacekowskias root14:48
jacekowskiand see what happens14:48
MohammadAGnow my calls go to the loudspeaker and I keep getting Internal error. Application 'Calendar' ... the usual14:48
MohammadAGas i said14:48
MohammadAGrespawning too fast14:48
infobotwell, flashing is
jacekowskiat least you've got some sound14:49
jacekowskionce i've lost sound and vibrator14:49
MohammadAGi won't reflash, since this isn't the first time it's happened14:49
MohammadAGhow do I check upstart logs?14:50
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* MohammadAG reboots14:51
MohammadAGnice, no mce too14:51
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RST38hMoo, all14:52
MohammadAGreboot fixed it, till the next time it happens ...14:54
MohammadAGmy sim card slot is shit, it keeps losing the sim14:54
jacekowskimy battery is shit14:54
MohammadAGare there any apt logs btw?14:55
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psycho_oreosMohammadAG, I don't know if there's logging facility for upstart but you might want to have a look at syslog which is available in the tools repo14:58
jo-erlendany experience with Python/GTK programming on Maemo? I thought I could just create windows the normal way, but that apparently isn't enough. Where can I learn how to write GTK apps for Maemo using Python?14:58
MohammadAGpsycho_oreos, I hate it14:58
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MohammadAGjo-erlend, it's the same as PyGTK on linux14:58
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MohammadAGwell, on gnome, whatever14:59
psycho_oreosMohammadAG, don't like syslog? heh, don't know if there's other alternatives. I use it personally so that I could at least see what's going on :D14:59
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MohammadAGwhat's exit status 127...15:01
jo-erlendMohammadAG, that can't be true? "import gtk; mywindow = gtk.Window();" <-- that doesn't appear to do anything on my N900. On Ubuntu, that creates a visible Window.15:01
MohammadAGi'm not a pygtk expert, ask frals about it15:03
MohammadAGbut it should work15:03
jacekowskipython sucks15:03
jo-erlendit doesn't.15:03
jacekowskithat's a problem15:03
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jacekowskijo-erlend: how are you doing it?15:03
jacekowskijo-erlend: via ssh?15:03
jacekowskijo-erlend: or xterminal on phone?15:03
jo-erlendjacekowski, xterm.15:03
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jacekowskiit should work15:03
jo-erlendtry it.15:04
MohammadAGtry a hildon.StackableWindow()15:04
jacekowskii have to go15:04
jacekowskii'll be back later15:04
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MohammadAGbut most gtk apps run unmodified on maemo15:04
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jo-erlendMohammadAG, "import gtk; import hildon; mywin = hildon.StackableWindow();" produced the same nothing.15:06
jo-erlendI don't get any error messages with either... The window just doesn't show.15:07
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zapX-Fade: any news about that version number bug? unzip is still broken and won't replace with a newer version, I even tried to bump the epoch.15:20
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X-Fadezap: Sorry, didn't have time to look at it last week as I was in Dublin for MeeGo.15:20
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MohammadAGX-Fade, ping15:26
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X-FadeMohammadAG: here15:27
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jo-erlendoh, I'm sorry. I forgot to enter gtk.main() :)15:48
alteregoI've got a variable in my code named "ibox" I'm expecting to get sued by both Microsoft and Apple simultaneously.15:50
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DocScrutinizerjavispedro: hi!16:03
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RST38hmoorning javispedro16:04
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javispedroI think I finally got the accelerometer on the ideapad working =)16:05
javispedroonly found two coordinates though16:06
lcukjavispedro, many harddrives only have 2d16:06
javispedrohey lcuk16:06
javispedroI published the preliminary driver here
javispedroon my ideapad ranges are 400...720  for the x axis and 420..720 for the y axis16:07
lcukcool, what about orientation changes based on slate/laptop mode16:08
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javispedrothat's what I'm aiming for :)16:08
javispedrobut first things first :)16:08
* lcuk nods16:08
lcukgreat seeing you in Dublin btw :)16:08
DocScrutinizerlcuk: (2D g-meter) hey funny! so they emergency park heads when you hold the laptop like a book? (detecting free fall)16:09
lcukjavispedro, did you see the multitouch input visualisation pic I just posted on #meego16:09
lcukholding it like a book is not freefall16:10
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DocScrutinizerfor a 2D g-meter it is16:10
lcukzeroing each sensor is freefall16:10
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javispedroDocScrutinizer: I am not sure it is the raw output from the accel though, seems that it might be preprocessed16:10
lcuklooking at graphs made with liqacceltests anyway16:10
javispedrobut it is all I could get from the hw...16:10
javispedrolcuk: you know how to read the hdaps data? i tried to present it to userspace the same way16:11
* javispedro would enjoy some graphs :)16:11
lcukyou should find plenty of examples at the foot of there for the driver16:12
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javispedro rotate script16:18
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Jaffajavispedro: lcuk: Ah, is the lock switch a screen orientation lock?16:19
javispedroJaffa: no, it seems to electrically disable the power button16:19
javispedro(I get no events in sw at least :( )16:20
Jaffajavispedro: Make that script stopall meego-im-uiserver...  scratch that. Confusing orientation with screen position16:20
Jaffajavispedro: Talking of which, can the position of the screen show up as an event?16:20
Jaffajavispedro: 'k16:20
javispedroit seems to do on windows (position of the screen)16:21
javispedroneed to look that up later16:21
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lcukJaffa, talk to timeless, I believe he was playing with auto orientation detection in the W7 partition16:25
lcukand it wasnt so happy16:25
lcukbut basing orientation on screen state itself (hinge angle maybe?) would be better?16:26
timeless_mbpit's way too sensitive16:26
* javispedro agrees with timeless16:26
timeless_mbpjavispedro: are you on windows?16:26
Jaffalcuk: What I was thinking; or rotation point, if detectable16:26
javispedrotimeless_mbp: I kept it16:26
timeless_mbpdual boot or exclusive?16:27
lcukJaffa, I think the switches themselves know if the screen is in slate mode and fixed down16:27
javispedrowell, triple already =)16:27
timeless_mbphow'd you dual?16:27
* timeless_mbp wants to do that16:27
javispedrotimeless_mbp: I installed Gentoo and Grub from it. Before that I used Grub from the meego repos16:27
lcukcontinuing on #meego anyway16:27
* javispedro agrees =)16:27
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comawhiteblah it takes forever to setup scratchbox + sdk16:34
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comawhitetoo much downloading16:34
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MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, updated hostmode-gui and i2c-tools16:46
DocScrutinizercool man 8-)16:46
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: now if you could edit to meet that status16:47
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MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, edit it with what? It depends on kernel-feature-usbhost now :)16:50
DocScrutinizererr??? edit it with phpBB edit-post feature in tmo?16:51
MohammadAGlol I know, I mean what should I add?16:52
MohammadAGI need to paint my old laptop...16:54
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MohammadAGalterego, ping16:54
* SpeedEvil passes MohammadAG a can of Magnolia one-coat.16:55
* MohammadAG covers LG sign and dips can on laptop16:56
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DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: just update on install instructions and info17:02
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alteregoMohammadAG: pong17:04
DocScrutinizeradd proper detailed explanation what to install, and how to uninstall rsp where to look for info about uninstalling17:04
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comawhiteis there a way to get flash in scratchbox?17:10
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pupnik_comawhite: so you can watch your youtubes while you watch your youtubes17:23
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comawhitepupnik_, LOL17:24
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yaccWARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated!17:28
yacc  libzlibrary fbreader theme-customizer dorian sleepanalyser swappolube17:28
yaccAnything I should know about extras-devel today?17:28
ieatlintcomawhite: have you tried installing it via apt-get?17:28
comawhiteyeah I did apt-cache search flash but it return some useless app not remotely like flash17:29
comawhitealso I get /usr/share/hildon-application-manager/defaults: No such file or directory17:29
comawhitesorry I'm new to this17:29
ieatlintwell, i'm a tad confused as to why you want it in scratchbox :P17:30
comawhitejust to play around with it17:30
ieatlintbut if somehow that fails, you may be able to simply insert it into "/targets/FREMANTLE_X86/usr/lib/browser/plugins"17:30
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yaccAny idea why the packages stopped to verify?17:31
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gruinelliMohammadAG: Hi MohammadAG17:35
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jMCgHello happy people.17:35
jMCgHow do I have more than one Mail for Exchange type account?17:35
ieatlintyou get a second n90017:35
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jMCgThat sounds rather inconvinient.17:36
jMCgieatlint: is there any reason behind that?17:36
MohammadAGhi gruinelli17:36
ieatlintjMCg: you'd have to ask nokia17:36
Lantizialo, has anyone used the google latitude package?17:37
gruinelliI got shedskin now working on the server ,also i could compile my module with it17:37
comawhiteugh this is being a pita. trying to do the matrix trick but doesn't work17:37
comawhitebloody hell17:37
gruinellithank you very much for your great help yesterday!17:37
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MohammadAGCaCO3, cool :D17:40
MohammadAGCaCO3, you're welcome :)17:40
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MohammadAGCaCO3, you might as well announce you got shedskin packaged, I'm sure others might want to use it :)17:40
alteregoFreakin' hell man17:40
CaCO3jup, i will, also i started to create a wiki page for it17:41
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CaCO3i was just wondering, if it would not have been wiser to upload shedskin into the sdk repository instead the normal repo, but i guess thats not possible, or now too late17:41
MohammadAGnope, it's not possible17:41
MohammadAGthe builder uses extras, and so do most devs17:41
CaCO3just to to check that I do it the right way; in the Make file for my app, I do an "apt-get install shedskin", then I run the shedskin and make. is there a better way to do it?17:42
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MohammadAGyeah, that's not the right way :)17:43
MohammadAGadd shedskin to Build Depends: in debian/control17:43
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alteregoAh, I see what the problem is.17:44
CaCO3ah, ok, thanx17:44
alteregoI'm an idiot ^.^17:44
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timeless_mbpbug of the day17:45
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timeless_mbpsomeone told me that i could enter *#0000#17:45
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alteregoYou can, well, works for me :P17:45
timeless_mbpinto my phone to get the system version17:45
MohammadAGit says <unknown>17:45
nidOyes, you can17:46
MohammadAGyou replaced the kernel, it's not a bug :P17:46
timeless_mbpalterego: try these more detailed instructions17:46
CaCO3And is there a way to get it compiled for armel AND i386? because when I say Architecture: all, it only makes one for i386, so i changed it to armel17:46
timeless_mbppress and hold the <blue> key17:46
alteregotimeless_mbp: are you using a custom kernel?17:46
CaCO3but i thin i386 is anyway not needeed17:46
timeless_mbpthen press the letters ADPPPPD17:46
timeless_mbpalterego: try it17:46
timeless_mbpthen let go of the <blue> key17:46
timeless_mbpdo not let go of the blue key early17:46
timeless_mbpviolators will be shot17:46
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alteregotimeless_mbp: oh yeah, stops working when the ui starts up :/17:47
yaccIs it only me, or has something changed with the repository, I'm getting unauthenticated packages in extras-devel.17:47
timeless_mbpalterego: can i get you to file this bug for me?17:47
CaCO3yacc: I get that too, but i thought I did something wrong17:48
nidOI dont get it, wheres the bug? one ui uses one keyboard layout, the other uses another, if you're going to type something involving both of them you need to switch typing accordingly17:48
yaccCaCO3, it started just now for me.17:48
yaccCaCO3, my setup worked perfectly yesterday (or today morning).17:48
alteregotimeless_mbp: kinda got my hands tied at the moment ;)17:48
timeless_mbpalterego: grr17:48
timeless_mbpanyone else believe that it'd work?17:49
CaCO3yacc: Its the first time i compile on the server, so I can not compare it17:49
pupnik  germany's answer to the HUMMV17:49
yaccCaCO3, for me it's on device.17:49
alteregoYay, getting a segfault when the app closes ^.^17:49
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alteregoIn g_object_unref, well, that is kind of disconcerting when the app is Qt/C++ :D17:50
timeless_mbpalterego: better than getting it earlier :)17:50
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alteregoBet it's mobility and liblocation17:50
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timeless_mbppupnik: ...17:51
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pupnikbetter gas mileage was the joke timeless_mbp17:52
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sivangtimeless_mbp: what's bug of the day?17:55
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timeless_mbpsivang: bah17:56
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* timeless_mbp goes off to file it17:56
timeless_mbpalterego: is the keymap for BLUE fixed or does it very locale to locale?17:56
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alteregoI think it varies17:57
alteregoI know it varies actually.17:57
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sivangtimeless_mbp: maybe you can file the two netbook bugs while on the way? :) they are still waiting in my TODO17:59
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timeless_mbpalterego: yeah it probably does17:59
crashanddiesivang, what OS are we talking about?18:00
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alteregosivang: this is maemo :P18:00
sivangright :)18:00
sivangcrashanddie: yes, sorry18:00
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MohammadAGtimeless_mbp, no bug here18:05
timeless_mbpMohammadAG: um, what os?18:05
timeless_mbpyou pressed and held the BLUE key the entire time?18:05
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timeless_mbpdo you have a sim inserted and active?18:05
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alteregoYay :)18:07
alteregoMy plugin system is working well, along with my network service :D18:07
timeless_mbpMohammadAG: sorry, what happened when you tried to follow my steps?18:08
alterego"network-server-plugin" Constructing service: "nmea+udp://"18:08
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WizzupSRL Stats Graphing System in action:
WizzupTotally in the wrong channel. Sorry for that18:17
WizzupI thought I was in my bitlbee-twitter chan.18:18
Gh0styhmm now I have some other behavior but still not what I am looking for ...18:18
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Gh0stythe phone seems to work like it should be but I can't mount my phone filesystem anymore on my linux pc18:18
Gh0styit shows ma a 28GB disk with no file allocation table :p18:18
timeless_mbpMohammadAG: so err...18:20
timeless_mbpdoes it really work for you?18:20
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MohammadAGtimeless_mbp, yes, though I think i got something wrong18:25
MohammadAGstart phone with kb open, start dialing pad, go to skype mode so typing with blue arrow works, and type *#0000#18:26
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comawhitehow do I get my scratchbox to look like this?
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lcukcomawhite, buy an n800 and follow the bora sdk guide :P18:33
comawhiteno way on the n900?18:33
nidOwell no, thats not a fremantle scratchbox18:34
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comawhitehildon-desktop[27436]: GLIB WARNING ** ClutterX11 - Failed to get XImage of pixmap: c02435, removing18:43
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timeless_mbpMohammadAG: no no no no no18:56
timeless_mbpyou don't open the phone application18:56
timeless_mbpyou start by typing on the home screen18:56
timeless_mbp(bug filed)18:56
MohammadAGI still don't get it...18:57
MohammadAGso, I type *, and I get a *18:58
MohammadAGI don't get a # since it's set to cellular mode, so I shouldn't use the blue arrow18:58
timeless_mbpdon't *THINK*19:01
timeless_mbpstop THINKING19:01
timeless_mbpTHINKING IS BAD19:01
timeless_mbpthe point is that on the home screen to trigger the * which opens the phone you need to hold BLUE19:01
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timeless_mbpand normally to trigger a * or a # or a 0 you would hold BLUE19:01
timeless_mbpthere is no reason to think that the first * should behave differently than the second *19:02
timeless_mbpa * is a * is a *19:02
timeless_mbpexcept when it's a duck19:02
timeless_mbp(which seems to be the maemo way of thinking)19:02
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DocScrutinizertimeless_mbp: there's a GUI design specs flaw. This causes inpit method changing when you open the dialer gui19:14
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timeless_mbpDocScrutinizer: ayup19:14
DocScrutinizeractually in diealer the keymapping is mindboggling, as bluekey is reversed19:15
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DocScrutinizerit's convenient for entering numbers (the most commn usecase), but obviously it *has* to switch input paradigm when starting the dialer from typing to homescreen19:17
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DocScrutinizerotherwise you'd have to specify input method for homescreen to be in 'numlock' mode which is even worse19:18
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DocScrutinizeror have two completely opposite input mode modi for dialer, depending on how it's been started19:18
alteregotimeless_mbp: but if you were more efficient, you'd double tap Fn and then everything would be fine ;)19:19
DocScrutinizeror discard the numlock mode in dialer and require user to hold bluekey to enter numbers19:19
alteregoBad idea.19:19
SpeedEvilRotary dial on the desktop background19:19
SpeedEvilthe circular swiping is quite distinctive19:20
timeless_mbpgenerally the right thing to do is to allow numbers with or without BLUE while in Phone mode in the dialer19:20
DocScrutinizerit's fuzzy spec'd in GUI design19:20
timeless_mbpthe current behavior is "discard input i don't like"19:20
timeless_mbpwhich is stupid here19:20
DocScrutinizertimeless_mbp: that's bad, as I also want chars in dialer19:20
timeless_mbpDocScrutinizer: ENOTSUP19:20
timeless_mbpfor stupid reasons the n900 phone won't let you enter ABC19:20
timeless_mbpyou can try to get p and w19:20
timeless_mbpbut that's about it19:21
DocScrutinizerso have fun with dialing me at ''19:21
timeless_mbpin the non POTS case19:21
timeless_mbpDocScrutinizer: i'm talking about POTS19:21
timeless_mbpwhen you switch to SIP calling that's irrelevant19:21
timeless_mbpi'm *ONLY* talking about POTS19:21
digitalstimulusdoes anyone know of an elegant solution to play an audio file from one computer on another computer?19:21
DocScrutinizerdialer isn't POTS-only19:21
timeless_mbpDocScrutinizer: sure19:21
timeless_mbpbut it's only insane in POTS19:22
timeless_mbpthe path i'm talking about is a POTS path19:22
timeless_mbpwhich is broken19:22
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timeless_mbpbecause of an *idiotic* behavior for *POTS*19:22
DocScrutinizerhmm, you got a point there19:22
timeless_mbpthank you19:23
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digitalstimulusI'm trying to get my ubuntu computer to play a file on my n810.  I basically am using the program motion to motion detect from a camera source and play a sound, but I would like my n810 to play a sound in another location through the network.  Any ideas?19:23
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DocScrutinizerssh N900 play-sound jinglebells.wav19:24
DocScrutinizeror learn to use friggin pulseaudio for what it's actually claiming to be superior to ALSA: audio over TCP19:26
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digitalstimuluswouldn't pulse need to be running on maemo?19:26
DocScrutinizerit doesn't?19:27
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, isn't that dead on maemo's PA :P19:27
DocScrutinizerthat'd be great news19:27
pupnikn810 oc19:27
DocScrutinizerohh, dunno if diablo has PA- I'd guess it does19:27
digitalstimulushmm, I've not used ssh for one-time login, execut, logout...but that would be a great solution19:28
digitalstimulusi've only used ssh interactively19:28
pupnikdigitalstimulus: if you are just sending an alarm signal, you don't need to stream audio19:28
DocScrutinizerwith proper dsa_keys it should work19:28
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digitalstimulusit can play a file located on the n810 too19:29
digitalstimulusdoesn't necessarily have to be streamed19:29
digitalstimulusi'm just trying to make noise in multiple locations19:30
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pupnikYou can execute commands on remote hosts using the ssh comman19:32
pupnikssh user@n810 "aplay beep.wav"19:33
timeless_mbpdigitalstimulus: i discovered that "say" works nicely on OS X :)19:33
DocScrutinizerjr@halley:~> ssh -l root IroN900 play-sound /usr/share/sounds/game-chess_checkmate.wav19:34
DocScrutinizerca_context_play_full (vol -0.000000): Success19:34
DocScrutinizercallback called, error 'Success'19:34
pupnikis play-sound a builtin DocScrutinizer ?19:34
DocScrutinizer(root for me not having a authorized_key on user)19:34
digitalstimulusfor the curious, I am doing something similar to this:
SpeedEvilBut with landmines?19:37
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digitalstimulusno, I am using just sound right now, but my cat isn't startled with sound playing in the other room19:37
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Gustavoferreirahi everyone, when i connect my phone(N900 - maemo) to my pc (ubuntu 10.10) and use the option PC Suit, i can connect to internet on my pc, and when i'm done i have no way to change PC Suit to charge mode only, haven't I? Same thing for mass storage, even after umount it on PC.19:42
ChoomI believe you can change it by tapping on the clock19:44
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Appiahyupp you can change mode19:45
Appiahsame place as you choose availbility,profile,internetconnection etc19:45
Appiahtap the clock as Choom said19:46
Gustavoferreirawhen it is on PC Suit or mass storage you canBt go back in that way :s19:47
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Gustavoferreiraok let me see19:47
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Choomyou're right, it's disabled in PC suit mode19:48
Gustavoferreirait just shows the mode i'm, it doesnt let me change it after i'm in mass storage mode or in PC Suit mode19:49
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Gustavoferreiraso, it isn't any way to do that?19:49
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Gustavoferreirais there any command on the terminal to change mode after i'm in one of those modes i refered?19:51
pupnik what do you use PC Suite for?  I never used that19:52
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Gustavoferreirai turn on gprs connections19:53
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DocScrutinizer51pc suite mode establishes quite a number of connections/services tat mustn't shut down unadvertedly. I guess that's the rationale you can't stop it like that19:53
Gustavoferreiraand then with PC Suit i make internet connection available to my pc.19:53
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pupnikmaybe you can do that with a simple command-line19:54
pupnikwithout using 'pc suit'19:54
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pupnikyou can also tether over ad-hoc wifi19:54
Gustavoferreiraor bluetooth using and aplication.19:56
FunnyfaceI never got tethering over bluetooth working19:56
FunnyfaceI had it working once.. and it worked like a charm, then I never got it working again :p19:57
GustavoferreiraDocScrutinizer51: so is it bad if i simply disconnect usb cable, isn't it? what can i do then?19:57
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DocScrutinizer51good question. You'd think there should be sth like 'safely remove' for mass storage, on your PC19:58
GustavoferreiraFunntface: from what i hear, tethering over bluetooth is a really big waste of battery.19:59
Funnyfacewell, wifi is even worse19:59
Appiahwaste? but what if you really need to get a laptop online? :)19:59
Appiah(as in the laptop running some application you cant get running on a n900)20:00
Gustavoferreirause usb cable then, it makes internet available and it charges from latptop at the same time.20:01
Appiahoh noes I forgot the usb cable , but dont use bluetooth , that's a waste20:01
Funnyfacethat works well when stationary, but when I am at my school, I don't feel like leaving my phone widely visible to everyone, so whenever I need to go afk for a short moment, I have to unplug it, which wears out the ever so dodgy USB connector20:02
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GustavoferreiraDocScrutinizer51: you never use PC Suite neither?20:02
Funnyfaceand if you use public transport, having a USB cable point out at the side isn't always that convenient20:02
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DocScrutinizerGustavoferreira: nope20:03
jacekowskiFunnyface: why not?20:04
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Gustavoferreirathat's why someone 'invented' tethering over bluetooth xD to solve some problems, like that one.20:04
Funnyfacejacekowski: crowded buses and tight seats :>20:05
DocScrutinizerjacekowski: quite obviously if you're concerned about your USB receptacle staying alive20:05
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Funnyfacewell, it's very simple.. you always have your phone with you, so if bluetooth was working as it should, it'd be pretty much the same as having a PC with a built in GSM/UMTS modem20:06
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Funnyfacewhich is very nice and convenient.. but with the USB cable, you have to dig up your laptop, the cable, and the phone, and plug it all in.20:06
* MohammadAG got scared when he disassembled his N90020:06
MohammadAGthe USB receptacle just hangs there20:07
jacekowskia lot of shit inside?20:07
MohammadAGany slight movement might break it20:07
MohammadAGno, the other shit's fine :P20:07
MohammadAGtwo weaknesses really, the flex ribbon, but I got used to it20:07
MohammadAGand the USB20:07
Funnyfacewhy did you disassemble it? :>20:08
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: the usb receptacle is loose?20:08
GustavoferreiraMohammadAG you didn't do that, did you? xD20:08
MohammadAGdisassembly? it's piss easy20:08
jacekowskiflex ribbon20:08
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, no, my USB is fine, thankfully20:09
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jacekowskiyou mean ribbon connecting screen with base?20:09
DocScrutinizerooh, pffoooh20:09
jacekowskido you know that was reason why most of 7650 have failed20:09
MohammadAGdisassembled it for the hell of it20:09
jacekowskimy father had one20:09
jacekowskiand it was that ribbon that just broke after some time20:09
MohammadAGI hate the one in the N90020:10
MohammadAGit's very light20:10
jacekowskibecause you move it up and down and up and down and again20:10
DocScrutinizerFPC are generally crap and awful to handle20:10
jacekowskiwell, it lasted for 3-4 years20:10
jacekowskiso it's not too bad20:10
jacekowskibtw. i really liked 765020:10
jacekowskiif they would make same one with better hardware inside20:10
DocScrutinizerthe thinner it is the longer it will stand repeated bending but the easier it breaks on "wrong" stress20:11
DocScrutinizeron N900 the weak point isn't the FPC but the crappy B2B connector soldered to its end20:11
MohammadAGthe annoying thing about it is that it's between very small space when assembled back20:12
MohammadAGyou don't have enough space to put it back in without making weird faces20:12
DocScrutinizerYES :-D20:12
DocScrutinizerand odds are the B2B breaks while you show that funny face20:13
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MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, version 0.3 of h-e-n has an option to disable filemanager auto opening20:14
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MohammadAGfinally got a settings dialog working20:14
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MohammadAGeffing tracker kicked in20:15
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RST38hMr. Poo managed to hack into FedComp, a data processor for federal credit unions, enabling him to access the data of various federal credit unions. He also hacked into the computer system of a Department of Defense contractor that provides systems management for military transport and other military operations, potentially compromising highly sensitive military logistics information.20:17
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MohammadAGand that's the modem gone20:17
* MohammadAG blames battery going flat without bme running20:18
MohammadAG1283 root      20   0  166m  35m 9824 R   81  0.9  18:35.94 Xorg20:18
MohammadAG 1923 mohammad  20   0  382m  43m  12m S   77  1.1  21:19.36 compiz20:18
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MohammadAGI know mounting would be better than mount, but it causes horizontal scrolling to show up in portrait mode20:20
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Arkenoii've got an impression after updating to pr1.3 my battery discharges more quickly20:22
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DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: is the sort order HS - FS - LS for a particular reason?20:34
MohammadAGHS > FS > LS?20:34
DocScrutinizerhmm, you're an Arab, I see20:35
MohammadAGlol what's that got to do with anything :P20:36
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DocScrutinizerreading/sorting right-to-left20:36
MohammadAGthat's left to right, from highest to lowest speed :D20:36
RST38hArkenoi: BatteryGraph says it is the same20:36
MohammadAGmaybe it's cause I'm used to high being my first selection, f. my second, and l my last :)20:37
DocScrutinizerall other sliders in GUI imply right side is + and left side is -20:37
MohammadAGalso, #1 updated20:37
MohammadAGit has a pic of what you want, a shorter microUSB cable :)20:37
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MohammadAGthe Nokia CA-101D20:38
MohammadAGit's like the CA-101 you have, with a D20:39
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DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: WTF is API-version 20101110? Is it any different to what Paul published as 20101104?20:46
MohammadAGno idea, it's what I've got20:46
DocScrutinizeror is it just titan should learn to read?20:46
MohammadAGand it's what kernel-power provides20:47
DocScrutinizer~lart titan20:47
* infobot follow's titan with a gauntlet and ... scratch ... HUMILIATION20:47
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MohammadAGmaybe, but it didn't get updated from v44 to v4620:49
MohammadAGso, not sure20:49
* MohammadAG looks at git20:49
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, it's the last commit by paul20:49
MohammadAGchecks if high speed is really high speed etc20:50
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DocScrutinizeraah, ok20:52
DocScrutinizerfair enough. This *is* an API change20:52
DocScrutinizerthough, as long as your GUI doesn't use this feature, you should check for version >=20101104 anyway20:53
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djszapiCould someone manage a working doc reader on N900 ?20:54
ohwhymewhats the difference between a fiasco image and a zimage?20:54
DocScrutinizeras it's now your new GUI will refuse to work with older API-version kernels, just for the mismatch in version checking20:54
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, I'd do that, if I knew how to :)20:54
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, I'm still new to Qt, just replaced a couple of system()s with their proper Qt code20:55
DocScrutinizerjust do a compare of the strings20:56
DocScrutinizernot for equal but for greater-or-equal20:56
MohammadAGyeah, but how would the app know that 20101110 > 20101104?20:57
MohammadAGit might be true now, but I hate dates as version numbers20:57
DocScrutinizerby ascii sort order20:57
DocScrutinizeror you do two compares for the two versions you know you support20:58
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DocScrutinizerprobably better. When I specified that versioning scheme I thought of augemnts to API that don't break backwards compatibility. As it looks now we need a break though sooner than I expected21:00
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DocScrutinizeras paul raped the "F" and thus broke compatibility to former proc/driver/musb_hdrc debugging interface, where F means Force-session, not Enumerate (which would have been "e" in former API). So I tend to go back to formaer API for that which means your GUI will have to echo e instead of echo F then, for enumerate21:05
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DocScrutinizeralso I wasn't aware he discarded the whole bunch of other debug cmds in proc interface, except for that abused F21:07
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DocScrutinizerAs he seems to not feel like including this to his h-e-n kernel patches, I might prepare a patch to join the proc interface as of sarahn with pauls patches, and that will become next API version that's not compatible to 20101104 or 20101110, but instead will keep compatibility to pre-PF h-e-n kernels and their proc debug API21:10
CaCO3Does sombody know why the lib Libgc1c2 is only in the SDK repos?
RST38hSteve Jobs invents mobile printing!!!!21:11
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CaCO3and how we can get it into the extra repos one?21:12
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MohammadAGjust upload it21:13
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: I plan to do extensive tests on that version plus a matching GUI then, base jrbme on this, and we might go for non-beta proper release 0.1 with it21:13
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CaCO3Am I allowed to do that? do i have to change the version ?21:13
MohammadAGprobably not21:13
CaCO3will it show up on the same place as the SDK ones, or is there a conflict?21:14
ArkenoiRST38h, too bad others forgot it. the latest and lightest mobile printer one can find is citizen pn60i. but it is 15 years old, supplies are hard to obtain and it is irda only so i cannot print from n900 anyways (even if we had cups support ubiquitous)21:14
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RST38hArkenoi: there is plenty of wifi-connected desktop printers21:15
RST38hnot that I ever had anything to print from the phone...21:15
ArkenoiRST38h, and not a single one you can take to an "outdoor" meeting21:16
RST38hArkenoi: depends =)21:16
Arkenoiwell, nothing like citizen pn60i anyways21:17
RST38hwait, other pocket printers do exist21:17
Arkenoiand there is no "print" button in maemo software (is it really hard to pipe stuff to lpr?)21:17
ArkenoiRST38h, nope, they do not (thermal paper and a6 do not qualify)21:18
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DocScrutinizerArkenoi: I owned a ink jet printer (Siemens?) that had 5 A cells21:18
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ArkenoiDocScrutinizer, how much did it weight?21:19
ArkenoiRST38h, as i said -- either thermal or not really portable or both21:20
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RST38hwhy is thermal bad?21:20
DocScrutinizerthermal is BS21:20
ArkenoiRST38h, requires special paper, it sucks. and the paper itself sucks.21:21
DocScrutinizer1985 I had a fax that worked with thermal paper. Was a constant PITA21:21
RST38hwell, inkjet-printed stuff cannot stand the rain21:21
DocScrutinizerin all respects21:22
RST38hwhichimho sucks more21:22
ArkenoiRST38h, actually it sucks less. and thermal paper "documents" look like shit.21:22
RST38hwell that depends on the paper quality of course21:23
DocScrutinizerwe should create a printing app21:23
RST38hI hope we are not talking the Elekrtonika60 thermal printer?21:23
DocScrutinizerwait - isn't that app there, called CUPS21:23
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ArkenoiRST38h, all of them do.21:23
ArkenoiDocScrutinizer, there is cups, but no maemo application have any visible "print" button21:24
Arkenoieven Docs2go, pdf reader, web browser and modest21:24
DocScrutinizerprint button pfffff21:24
korhojoaopenoffice should do printing21:24
DocScrutinizerexport to pdf, store to: printer21:24
Arkenoiyou may save pdf and print via command line, but it sucks ;-)21:25
RST38hN900 version of OpenOffice is a freaking joke =(21:25
ArkenoiRST38h, not really, compared how could it work on n9, thanks to capacitive screen fanboys21:26
korhojoatakes forever to load and is old as shit21:26
Choom<- capacitive fanboy21:27
RST38hArkenoi: N9 does have a keyboard, right?21:27
Arkenoibtw for some obscure reason it looks better from easydebian than "standalone" version21:27
DocScrutinizerbut I agree there's a lack of print menu entries/buttons. Even if there's no printer at all in maemo, the print dialog sahould offer "print to file", so the lack of proper printer interface in maemo is no argument to not have print functions where ever appropriate21:27
RST38hstandalone version has been...well...adapted21:27
Choomthough I don't have an N921:27
ChoomI'm hoping for the N900 successor to come with a capacitive touchscreen21:27
Choomthat's the only downside of the N900 for me, other than that I'm a happy customer21:28
korhojoawhy capacitive?21:28
korhojoai really don't like them21:28
korhojoahitting my fingers on glass21:28
DocScrutinizerc-ts is the reason I never will buy a N921:28
Arkenoiwhat is capacitive screen good for? sexy "touch, don't press" feel? is it really worth something?21:28
Choombecause it's a lot more sensitive to touch21:28
korhojoafuck capacitive21:28
WakiMikopinch to zoom is nice though21:28
Choomthere are capacitive styluses too21:29
WakiMikothey suck21:29
korhojoayes, and they're huge21:29
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RST38hIncluding the pinch-to-zoom stuff21:29
Arkenoiand i do not see any advantages of pitch to zoom over zoom button21:29
DocScrutinizerthat's not stylus, you can eat them21:29
DocScrutinizerit's Wieners21:29
korhojoaDocScrutinizer, :DD21:29
RST38hIt is freaking CONFUSING21:29
WakiMikohow is it confusing21:29
Choomscrolling with the N900's resistive screen with your fingers sucks a bit21:30
RST38hThe trackpad behaves erratically21:30
WakiMikoChoom: i use my fingernails21:30
RST38hWhen you touch it with two fingers, by chance, it starts zooming leftandright21:30
RST38hSometimes it scrolls windowfor no apparentreason (appears to be a zone of the trackpad that does it, but it is not marked)21:30
digitalstimulusis there a way to adjust the volume of play-sound on n810?  the sound playing the default beep is more quiet than when the default beep plays adjusting the sound level21:31
lcukRST38h, multitouch stroke across the screen
RST38hlcuk: Nice, but normally,I am not drawing whale carcasses21:31
RST38hlcuk: I am browsing, or programming,or something21:31
lcukjust testing21:31
DocScrutinizerdigitalstimulus: none known here21:31
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digitalstimulusdocscrutinizer thanks, I figured21:32
DocScrutinizerdigitalstimulus: a big flaw in play-sound21:32
digitalstimulusI don't understand why the volume is lower on play-sound than everything else21:33
DocScrutinizerhere it's not21:33
MohammadAGlcuk, that pic's kinda irritating for eyes :P21:33
DocScrutinizeron N900 it seems play-sound always using max volume, even when master volume is down to 2%21:33
lcukMohammadAG, its also kinda awesome to draw21:34
digitalstimulushmm, on n810, the default beep sound plays when adjusting the volume.  At max volume it plays louder than play-sound outputs21:34
lcukit makes curly loops when you draw it21:34
lcukto write stuff i have to engage chalk board writing mode though21:35
* lcuk really really wishes this device had a stylus21:35
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MohammadAGlcuk, which device is "this"21:37
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lcukthe lenovo ideapad from the meego conf21:38
lcuk10" multitouch running meego netbook21:38
lcukat present sat between my keyboard and lap trying to replace the a4 pad that used to live there :)21:38
MohammadAGreplying to spam, to kill boredom,
MohammadAGany ideas why this isn't working?     if(!QFile::exists("/proc/driver/musb_hdrc")) {21:40
MohammadAG        QMessageBox::critical(this, tr("Fatal Error"), tr("h-e-n is running on a device that doesn't have the musb OTG driver!"));21:40
MohammadAG        QApplication::exit(1);21:40
MohammadAGthe app doesn't quit21:40
DocScrutinizerdoesn't quit or doesn't even notify user?21:41
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lcukMohammadAG, potentially threading related? bail out of the function before doing naything else perhaps?21:43
* lcuk does not know for certain tho21:43
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MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, doesn't quit, UI shows up after I click ok21:45
lcukMohammadAG, when are you running this code? which method?21:46
DocScrutinizerhmm, so QApplication::exit(1); doesn't do what you think it should, right?21:46
MohammadAGlcuk, constructor21:47
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lcukMohammadAG, the constructor for your class which is subclassed from qapplication?21:48
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lcukie, making use of methods which (I would expect) to not be ready until the construction was completed..)21:49
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lcuktry flushing a toilet in a half built bathroom21:49
lcukand see if the water goes where you expect21:50
crashanddie_lcuk: I'm guessing you're supposed to do that without using it first?21:50
lcukof course :P21:50
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: set a flag so your application will abort immediately, in main loop21:50
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proyconHmm... Can I simply upgrade to pr1.3 with apt-get upgrade?  I guess not?21:51
lcukwell how do you cancel construction?21:51
lcukproycon, theres many things you could try, but I would recommend using the backup tool, then using ham21:52
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DocScrutinizeror simply make constructor throw error, this should suffice for the whole app to terminate, if not caught properly21:52
crashanddie_proycon: there are conflicting feedback about that21:52
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crashanddie_DocScrutinizer: an exception?21:52
proyconhmm..  cause the nokia pc suite thing will wipe and reflash everything right?21:52
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sjkThere are "magic" tv remotes21:53
sjkLike, you hit a button on them and they find out what brand the tv is, somehow21:53
sjkAnd then it knows what to send21:53
sjkI want qtirreco to do that too. :)21:53
sjkI have a Samsung tv but I have no idea what model etc21:53
DocScrutinizer51nope there aren't21:53
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DocScrutinizer51those magic remotes work by you pressing a button until TV reacts (usually shutting off) So the remote knows the last time it used the right code21:55
crashanddie_proycon: as lcuk said, backup. Then use Hildon Application Manager to try the upgrade. If it says you need to use PC-Suite, either use pc-suite, or flash21:56
sjkHrm. Well, then I'd want Irreco to do that. ;-)21:56
DocScrutinizerwithout feedback of you to tell remote "it worked" there's no way for it to find proper code21:56
proyconyeah, that's what I did yeah..and it indeed said to use pc-suite21:56
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sjkI don't have a television set myself, but there is a couple at the gym. I'd like to be able to turn up the volume sometimes, but I don't know what model the tv is21:56
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crashanddie_sjk: irreco can't, IIRC, there is no infrared receiver21:56
sjkI just know it's a Samsung21:56
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DocScrutinizersjk: you could write a script for lirc, to cycle tru a set of definition files, and you hit a button as soon as the script sends a code that does what you want, so the script tells you which definition it used. Then find a matching irreco remote definition21:59
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sjkDocScrutinizer, good idea22:00
DocScrutinizersjk: you find the backend definitions in /home/user/MyDocs/irreco/InternalLircDevices/*22:02
DocScrutinizersjk: have a look into /etc/init.d/lirc22:04
sjkHmmm, interesting. I'll see if I can work something out, I'll keep you guys posted. :)22:04
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DocScrutinizeryou can use netcat or socat to talk to lirc from your script, though I'm sure there are generic lirc cmdline tools to do that as well22:05
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AranelAnybody using kernel-power 46? is it safe?22:07
DocScrutinizersafe for waht?22:08
Aranelsafe to install? from HAM?22:08
* MohammadAG looks at his device22:08
DocScrutinizerI'd hope so22:08
* MohammadAG looks back at PC22:08
MohammadAGnope, looks alive to me22:08
Aranellol ok xD22:08
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AranelMohammadAG: DocScrutinizer: do you have multiboot installed?22:09
DocScrutinizerjust don't feed it after midnight, or get it in touch with water, otherwise....22:10
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DocScrutinizernah, multiboot is EVIL :-D22:10
Aranelwell, too late , I installed it months ago :| I wonder if uboot conflicts with it.22:10
DocScrutinizerhonestly it won't be a happy ending to try and install power kernel on a multiboot system without taking special care22:10
DocScrutinizeryou bet it does22:11
Aranelspecial care as in apt-get remove multiboot ?22:11
DocScrutinizerfor example, yes22:11
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Aranelit looks easy.22:11
DocScrutinizeror like in "check multiboot howto about how to install a new kernel"22:11
Aranellol is there any up-to-date howto for that?22:12
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DocScrutinizerdunno, but basically if you got uBoot the why'd you need multiboot anyway22:13
Aranelwell, b/c I'm scared of removing multiboot.22:13
DocScrutinizermultiboot is a clever but really ugly and 'dangerous' hack. AIUI it reflashes kernel on every boot22:14
DocScrutinizerso it's pretty obvious why simple flashing of a new kernel won't work on multiboot - no matter if it's powerkernel or anything else22:15
DocScrutinizerat best it gets reverted immediately on next multi-boot22:15
Araneldo you know if apt-get remove multiboot works or not?22:16
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DocScrutinizerusually you end with a bootlooping device and you need to properly reflash fiasco COMBINED22:16
DocScrutinizerno idea22:16
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AranelDocScrutinizer: hmm Google says NITdroid autoinstaller removes multiboot.22:18
Aranelworth trying it :D22:19
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eichihello, are there log files in maemo on n800 that uses to much space or other kinds of data, i can delete (caches etc)22:22
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Aranellook at the first post.22:26
Aranelhow could he/anyone drew a pic that nice on n900? special app or something? I'm just curious.22:27
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Araneleichi: I don't know anything about N800 but common sense says that you should check /var/log if you want to remove log files. And /tmp for temporary files I guess.22:29
lcukAranel, mypaint is used by many :)22:29
* lcuk prefers simple sketches22:29
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Aranellcuk: well, then you will fall in love with my last masterpiece:
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eichiAranel: kay, good idea, but maybe i have to move boot to sd card again go get "infinity" space again ;)22:30
alteregoGreat, now I'm getting that annoying Qt mobility location services not working.22:30
AranelI hated Art classes when I was high-schooler :|22:31
lcukalterego, you have scary imagination22:31
lcukalterego, one of my latest doodles
alteregoIt's annoying, because nothing has really changed to stop it from initializing the GPS and using it, it just doesn't work :/22:32
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AranelDocScrutinizer: looks very cool, hope I can do better on it :)22:33
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NooBmonk3yMohammadAG,  ping22:36
MohammadAGNooBmonk3y, pong22:38
NooBmonk3yooo Mo Mo!22:38
NooBmonk3yQt::WA_Maemo5StackedWindow !!22:38
* NooBmonk3y needs help22:38
NooBmonk3yi have 1 mainwindow....22:38
NooBmonk3yi want to press a button and it opens up another mainwindow22:38
crashanddie_NooBmonk3y: I thought you understood the drill no22:38
crashanddie_show code, ask question, get answer22:38
NooBmonk3ytheres a drill?22:38
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NooBmonk3ycrashanddie,  what if i have no code?22:38
NooBmonk3yits theoretical code, :P22:39
crashanddie_then ask code, on one line22:39
crashanddie_not 2522:39
MohammadAGNooBmonk3y, then read mine :)22:39
NooBmonk3yread yours? oh psfreedom?22:39
MohammadAGNooBmonk3y, I have 3 (or was it 4...) stacked windows in PSFreedom22:39
NooBmonk3ycan i have the git pleeeeeeeeeease22:39
MohammadAGand 2 in hostmode-gui22:39
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MohammadAGcode's shorter :P22:40
MohammadAGcheck mainwindow.cpp and aboutwindow.cpp22:40
MohammadAGhelpwindow.cpp actually22:41
NooBmonk3ythanks Mo :)22:41
MohammadAGdamn that commit is old...22:41
MohammadAGyw :)22:41
MohammadAGyou need the attribute in both windows afaik, the main one, and the stacked window22:41
NooBmonk3yMohammadAG,  do both windows have to be MainWindows i assume?22:41
MohammadAGjust use CTRL + F on the files22:41
MohammadAGQMainWindows, yes22:42
MohammadAGhow do you want to have a stacked dialog? lol22:42
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Aranelis there a known bugs manual for kernel-power 46? or can someone just say what does work and what does not?22:46
alteregoThis is very annoying ..22:48
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MohammadAGalterego, what is?22:50
alteregoIt's a pain in the arse that's what it is.22:50
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alteregoWell, code that has been working fine for ages, now doesn't seem to be working.22:52
alteregoAnd there's nothing wrong with it.22:52
alteregoOh, nooooow it's working.22:52
* alterego looks at what changed.22:53
MohammadAGalterego, heh, I got about 10 segfaults, just because the device was in portrait mode22:53
MohammadAGI have no idea why that happened22:53
alteregoNoice :D22:53
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DocScrutinizer51RST38h: how about a direct way to zoom fontsize in xchat?22:54
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AranelDocScrutinizer: do you have uboot installed now?22:55
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Aranelso it's not required for kernel-power?22:56
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DocScrutinizer51but aiui it comes with powerk by default22:56
Araneland how did you remove it?22:57
Aranel(and why? :p)22:57
DocScrutinizer51I'm on PR1.2 with patches here22:57
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DocScrutinizer51my devel device has h-e-n kernel22:58
Araneloh, ok22:59
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johndodoes anybody know if either the fcam drivers or frontview is incompatible with 1.3?23:02
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MohammadAGno, but they're incompatible with kernel-power23:02
ShadowJKfrontview seems to work23:02
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DocScrutinizer51fcam is conflicting with 1.323:03
johndoi lost my /dev/video? devices after installing frontview23:03
johndobut not sure if i lost them before23:03
johndook, than probably fcam was the problem23:04
johndoafter removing all fcam stuff and reboot i got the devices back23:04
johndoso i'm going to retry fronview, thank you23:05
NooBmonk3yThank you MohammadAG  :) :)23:05
NooBmonk3ygot it working23:05
NooBmonk3ynow i just need to figure out how to make the new window full screen ;)23:05
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MohammadAGQMainWindow::showFullScreen() would be one way23:07
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NooBmonk3ylol u beat me23:07
NooBmonk3yoo shite23:07
MohammadAGand, I'm done :D23:07
NooBmonk3ydestroy ui; doesnt work to close it lol23:08
* MohammadAG packages up new h-e-n23:08
MohammadAGa tip given to me by w00t_23:08
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MohammadAGsetAttribute(Qt::WA_DeleteOnClose); <-- add it to the constructor23:08
MohammadAGto close it, use close()23:08
w00t_isn't nooby a python guy?23:09
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w00t_i'm not sure you need that for python23:09
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NooBmonk3ylol :P23:10
NooBmonk3yw00t :) - moving healthcheck to qt / c++23:10
NooBmonk3ymight as well leanr 2% of another language this year ;)23:10
NooBmonk3yabout 80% done though, tis on it's way :)23:10
NooBmonk3yahaaaaaaaaaa working23:11
* NooBmonk3y cuddles MohammadAG 23:11
* MohammadAG passes the cuddles to those who helped23:12
MohammadAGalterego, w00t_ and Venemo :)23:12
alteregofangs :)23:13
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MohammadAGbtw alterego, I really like coding manually :P23:14
alteregoIt's fun isn't it:)23:14
MohammadAGhopefully, won't need to use Qt Designer again23:14
alteregoWell, I'd still use it occasionally if I needed to knock something up quickly and I knew I didn't need to do anything special.23:14
alteregoWhich is quite rare, as I'm addicted to custom widgets ..23:15
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johndofrontview is working and /dev/video is still there, so frontview was innocent23:15
MohammadAGnope, no custom widgets here, but I hate setGeometry :)23:16
johndothought it would handle camera directly, what it obviously does not do23:16
MohammadAGsetGeometry() even23:16
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w00t_setGeometry loves you23:16
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NooBmonk3ysetGeometry wants MohammadAG's babies i hear....23:17
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* MohammadAG gets out his knife again23:17
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MohammadAGalterego, took some time, but it's done
alteregoMeh, the best things do, I've been working on Columbus for 3 months ^.^23:19
BCMMMohammadAG: shiny!23:20
alteregoMohammadAG: Why don't you remove the lable and use QMaemo5ValueButton(tr("Default File Manager");23:20
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BCMMdoes kernel-power work with fcam?23:23
johndonot on 1.3, just run into that23:23
alteregoMohammadAG: which is what QMaemo5ValueButton is for ;)23:24
BCMMjohndo: sorry, was that a response to me?23:24
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johndoBCMM: oops, yes. forgot the name23:24
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BCMMany idea if there are plans to provide fcam support in kernel-power?23:26
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satmdI just wanted to tell you that my eap-tls problem vanished with the latest firmware23:31
alteregoWoo :)23:32
alteregoOne satisfied customer then ;)23:32
threshand only23:33
* alterego test network NMEA streaming23:33
satmdsadly, the n900 doesn't always autoconnect to wifi23:33
satmdwell at least it wasn't me who messed up the radius :p23:33
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* MohammadAG wonders why modest's Nokia Messaging plugin uses a gtk box instead of a hildon one23:35
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alteregoUrgh :P23:37
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alteregoWell, TCP network streaming works, both as server or client.23:39
MohammadAGalterego, yeah, theming clearly shows it23:39
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MohammadAGnight o/23:40
alteregoYou off?23:41
alteregoBit early isn't it?!23:41
alteregoOh, haha23:41
* MohammadAG sobs23:41
MohammadAGi need a netbook with Qt Creator23:41
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alteregoIt works alright, when you get it to use all real estate.23:42
alteregoYou should run it as your shell ^.^23:42
BCMM amused me23:43
MohammadAGsome periods at school just don't deserve any of my (or others') time23:43
GAN900Another iPhone user surprised by the N900s easy learning curve.23:43
DocScrutinizer51WTF? Renesas Mobile Corp will buy out Nokia's GSM modem division23:44
* MohammadAG wants Qt Creator on the N90023:44
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MohammadAGthat would rock, and probably suck at the same time :P23:44
NooBmonk3yMohammadAG,  Dead Pixel test now working on the new healthcheck :)23:44
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MohammadAGDocScrutinizer51, I thought they already did23:46
MohammadAGNooBmonk3y, :D23:46
BCMMDocScrutinizer51: why is that a separate division that can be sold off? i would've thought that certain hardware and software would be identical between phones and GSM modems...23:46
BCMM(i mean, that doing both would make sense)23:46
BCMM(i'm trying not to use the word "synergy")23:47
NooBmonk3y:) :) - development is moving quite quickly now, got to do things like the screen mousepointer thingy test and things like the keyboard light tests :) - but going well23:47
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