IRC log of #maemo for Sunday, 2010-11-21

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Jartzaanyone tried that patch on maemo? :)00:01
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ShadowJKIt's a patch for something that extremely few users ever encounter even on desktop00:03
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Jartzaif it decreases latency, I wouldn't say it is a problem encountered by extremely few users?00:06
Jartzaand you haven't experienced high "desktop" latency in n900?00:06
nox-that more bc of swapping that bc of load tho?00:07
Jartzanot necessary00:07
nox-hm ok...00:08
pupniknew chromium extension by J. Wales!
Jartzaanyways, would be interesting to just try that patch00:09
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MohammadAGlol pupnik00:12
DocScrutinizerincredible URL00:13
* MohammadAG sighs of boredom00:14
DocScrutinizerupdate post #1!00:14
MohammadAGgood point00:15
MohammadAGshould also push an update00:15
DocScrutinizeryes, one that copes with post #408 as well00:15
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DocScrutinizerbasically no bloody moron needs a *.h in a basic pkg00:16
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DocScrutinizerI'd guess that's not different for I2C-tools00:17
MohammadAGwhat .h?00:17
crashanddieMohammadAG: it stands for "I don't know Jack D. Johnson for I couldn't identify Face-Book friends Jack, John, Kevin don't know I... I might immolate other lumber Jackers blood people"00:17
DocScrutinizer /var/cache/apt/archives/i2c-tools_3.0.2-1maemo2_armel.deb (--unpack):00:17
DocScrutinizer trying to overwrite `/usr/include/linux/i2c-dev.h', which is also in package linux-kernel-headers00:17
* MohammadAG blames ubuntu/debian packaging00:18
crashanddieI so wouldn't have passed a Turrin test with that previous, sentence, would I?00:18
MohammadAGcrashanddie, nope, you would've failed with an A00:19
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DocScrutinizercrashanddie: you did for sure X-P00:20
tugrikanyone here use wyrd?00:20
MohammadAGcrashanddie, got GH world tour?00:20
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crashanddietugrik: only during office hours, when having to write documentation00:21
tugrikheh, no, wyrd not Word :p00:21
crashanddiepronounced the same00:21
andaxcrashanddie: you are so super ontopic again, my compliments00:21
* andax gets some popcorn00:21
crashanddieandax: yw00:21
* crashanddie bows00:22
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andaxcrashanddie: bows for popcorn?00:23
DocScrutinizerandax: I'm grateful he stopped my similar looking attempts to make some sense of that URL00:23
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crashanddieandax: and I'm the one being offtopic?00:23
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MohammadAGcrashanddie, Scream Aim Fire is an asshole on drums, and no, I'm the one being off topic :P00:24
andaxcrashanddie: i did not say you're offtopic00:25
crashanddiejust drop the subject and be neutral, swiss boy00:25
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DocScrutinizerlet's bash lusers instead00:27
andaxcrashanddie: you always have the last word, huh?00:27
crashanddieI have one rule, if people are asking for an asskicking, I have to let them have it, and andax, you're really bordering that line, so just leave me be, will you?00:29
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* DocScrutinizer cackles00:29
* DocScrutinizer fetches popcorn now00:29
jacekowskiJartza: it only decreases latency if you have high load00:30
andaxcrashanddie: you let no other choice than ignoring you but mention borders... youre never satisfied00:30
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* MohammadAG kicks crashanddie in ze balls00:31
DocScrutinizerthat took long, didn't it?00:31
crashanddieyeah, had to change the kick message at the last second00:32
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pupniki'm ignorant about accelerometers - would n900 accelerometers be 3d? and have precision to balance a quadcopter?00:34
* DocScrutinizer wonders if setting a chanop to /ignore is a worth a /kick by itself00:34
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lcukyes pupnik00:35
jacekowski /ignore crashanddie00:35
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DocScrutinizerpupnik: basically N900 has just one g-meter, but that's a pretty nice one00:35
crashanddieDocScrutinizer: feel free to +o and /invite him00:35
DocScrutinizerpupnik: anyway for copters you usually like to have a gyro as well00:36
crashanddiedoes that even work on freenode?00:36
pupnikcan't just work with those motion deltas00:36
* Arkenoi browses infosyncworld's smartphone reviews.. they are treating n900 as non-existant00:36
jacekowskiDocScrutinizer: how does that gyro work00:36
jacekowskiDocScrutinizer: i mean is it's purpose to stabilise it00:36
DocScrutinizercrashanddie: whom? andtrax? don't care00:36
jacekowskiDocScrutinizer: or provide position00:36
DocScrutinizerjacekowski: stabilize00:37
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jacekowskibut then any angle change will be slower00:37
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pupniki think you do need gyros and altitude for any autonomous flight00:37
jacekowskiground proximity sensor00:37
jacekowskithat's all you need00:38
DocScrutinizerjacekowski: a gyro is much more sensitive to rotation than a g-meter. For some rotations (along axis of earth gravitation) the gyro is the only sensor that gives you signals at all00:38
crashanddiejacekowski: can't a gyro tell you the absolute rotation movement?00:38
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pupnikar.drone uses a cheap camera pointed at the floor for positioning assist00:38
pupnikbut i haven't seen anything that flies without fyros/mems00:39
jacekowskikinect sort of thing would be nice00:39
pupnikgyros... damn now i'm hungry00:39
jacekowskibut it pulls too much power00:39
pupnikthere's a bounty to reverse-engineer the 'Neato' laser distance scanner00:39
pupnikthey claim it could be mfgr'd for $3500:39
DocScrutinizerbtw: RE.... done00:40
DocScrutinizerlaser distance scanner is plain nobrainer00:41
pupnikyes, i'm not exactly sure what they want to hack00:41
pupnikprobably to use the actual device00:42
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jacekowskiit'll be cheaper to make one00:44
pupnikfunny, nobody has published a hack yet00:44
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jacekowskinobody has a vacuum cleaner00:45
ShadowJKA lidar would be cool00:45
ShadowJKFor a mosquito killer thing00:45
jacekowskiit's not precise enough00:45
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jacekowskihow does radar work00:46
DocScrutinizermeh, the bounty is not exactly tempting00:46
jacekowskii mean it sends signal and00:46
jacekowskiand they have to know where it came back from00:46
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ShadowJKWell older radar is this parabolic dish that scans00:46
pupnikit's directional00:47
jacekowskii'm interested in new ones00:47
jacekowskithat are omnidirectional00:47
DocScrutinizerLidar with a laser is dead simple00:47
DocScrutinizerno parabolic needed00:47
ShadowJKnewer radar has phased array. It's still a beam, but it's electronically scanned and not limited by physical antenna movement00:47
crashanddieShadowJK: you saw the mosquito laser gun?00:47
pupnikDocScrutinizer: probably encumbered by patents00:47
ShadowJKcrashanddie, yeah00:47
crashanddiepretty damn cool00:47
ShadowJKcrashanddie, I'd want ot make my own, but instead of just one laser (that sets fire to everything else too), I'd want multiple lasers focusing on the mosquito00:48
DocScrutinizerpupnik: lidar? aka laser distance meter? not at all00:48
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DocScrutinizermy version of mosquito laser gun:
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pupnikLidar - Patent 7067812,  3D multispectral lidar - Patent 6664529,  lidar - Patent 5239352,  SCANNING SYSTEM FOR LIDAR - Patent Application 20100053715,  US Patent 4862257 - Imaging lidar system , US Patent 5343284 - Imaging lidar system employing bistatic operation,   Patent 5255065 - Conically scanned holographic lidar telescope,  Lidar-based air defense system - US Patent 639657700:50
pupnikwell there are some - dunno about the basic one though00:50
crashanddieShadowJK: ambitious00:50
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pupnikthat would be awesome00:51
crashanddieShadowJK: I'm guessing it depends the application -- would you be thinking about multiple underpowered lasers that would add up to one mosquito-deadly heat point?00:51
nox-.oO(wasnt the general advice on patent research to not do it?)00:51
jacekowskiShadowJK: how do you locate mosquito?00:51
pupnikyou're right nox- - apologies00:51
ShadowJKcrashanddie, yes00:52
ShadowJKjacekowski, that's the problem00:52
pupnik"hi, i'm an ass who just had the same idea as 1000 other people.  here is my patent"00:52
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DocScrutinizermy problem is MTHEL is too much for mosquitos, and my other lasers are too weak. 150mW not always kill bugs / flies00:53
jacekowskihow do you locate them00:53
jacekowskithat's a problem00:53
jacekowskithen it's easy00:53
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DocScrutinizerguess I'll need an arctic blue00:53
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Lantiziahey is there anything better than qtirreco?01:13
DocScrutinizeryes, irreco01:13
Lantiziaor an alternative of some kind - a search on for IR only comes up with that... and nothing for infra or infrared01:13
nox-heh same mistake i did :)01:14
LantiziaDocScrutinizer, package irreco-for-n900 ? is that with a front end?01:14
DocScrutinizerthough, tbh, I never tested qtirreco01:14
nox-(tho irreco also didnt help in this case)01:15
Lantiziacool will take a looksie01:15
DocScrutinizerboth are based on lirc, and lirc can do what the N900 CIR hw offers you can do, nothing beyond01:16
DocScrutinizerso if it's about GUI, then test irreco-n900, if it's about range, you got bad cards01:16
* nox- just misses non-irman configs for `that one' remote :)01:16
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* DocScrutinizer considers to replace R1361..R1364 by 50R01:19
nox-those related to the ir transmitter?01:21
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* Arkenoi wishes it had IR laser01:22
DocScrutinizermeh, boring01:23
SpeedEvilDepends. I'd quite like a 50W CO201:24
DocScrutinizerbut not from a 1350mAh LiIon X-P01:24
DocScrutinizernox-: yes01:25
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DocScrutinizernox-: seem dimensioned rather conservative01:25
nox-i c01:25
nox-would that drain the battery much more then?01:25
DocScrutinizernox-: I'd like to know component name of V1360 IR LED01:26
nox-(not that im about to mess with my n900 like that anyway :)01:26
DocScrutinizernox-: (drain) at least 4 times01:26
DocScrutinizerwhich would mean you could operate it only 12h then (CW! == >20h of coninuous sending commands)01:27
nox-ok :)01:28
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DocScrutinizerhonestly, the whole design around the IR TX looks rather uninspired. If you already got a transistor, then why have a series R in collector, rather than do the right thing and build a constant current source of it, by limiting base voltage by 2 diodes and putting the shunt R into emitter01:32
SpeedEviladd to the brain damage of not running it off the nice CIR UART01:33
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DocScrutinizerlets do a bit of stupid silly EE math: given: Vfwd-LED=2V Vbat=4.2V R=220/4=55R01:37
DocScrutinizer~(4.2 - 2) / 5501:37
DocScrutinizerlooks a bit low for even a SMT IR LED01:38
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DocScrutinizernow take into account Vfwd-LED might be higher, and Vbaz usually is a bit lower. And we didn't take into account V(c-e)sat of transitor01:39
* infobot barks, like a rabid dog.01:40
nox-~1 / 001:41
crashanddie~(20 - 18 - 1) / (20 - 18 - 2)01:41
crashanddie~(20 - 18 - 1) / (20 - 18 - 1)01:41
DocScrutinizeraren't you content with the results? :-P01:42
crashanddiewait, what?01:42
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nox-thats xorg01:42
nox-xorg even01:42
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crashanddie~2 pow(31)01:43
DocScrutinizer~2 ** 1601:43
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crashanddie~2 ** 3201:44
crashanddie~2 ** 32 + 101:44
crashanddie~2 ** 64 + 101:44
crashanddie~2 ** 64 ** 64 + 101:44
crashanddie~2 ** 64 ** 2 + 101:44
crashanddie~2 ** 12701:44
infobota number with quite a few digits...01:44
crashanddie~2 ** -101:44
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DocScrutinizerisn't she cute?01:44
crashanddie~solve x ** 2 = -101:45
* infobot grits her teeth while attempting to solve x ** 2 = -101:45
crashanddieI'm still confused at infobot being a she01:46
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sp3000just saying01:50
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DocScrutinizer51what's that xorg noise today?02:03
nox-nothing, just my stupid hardwired fingers...02:03
nox-trying to spell xor02:04
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BCMMyou know what is difficult?02:21
BCMMtyping "linus"02:21
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Termanagood morning02:57
Nomagood evening02:57
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jase21Hello friends, i bought Nokia N900 :D03:05
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lolloocongratulation jase2103:06
jase21I'm loving it.03:06
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lollooyou will soon when you unlock and harness it's geekness power03:07
jase21lolloo thanks.03:07
SpeedEvilAre you a linux user?03:07
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jase21SpeedEvil yes03:08
lolloowow nice03:08
SpeedEvilNow tends to be a bit dead - it's livlier in here about 4 hours ago.03:08
jase21I use ubuntu & backtrack. but still I'm a newbie :P03:08
SpeedEvilSo leap in that time machine.03:08
lollooah the time machine03:09
jase21what does PR mean:03:09
psycho_oreosproduct release03:09
lolloolatest 1.303:09
lollooalso there is custom kernels made by the community03:10
jase21oh. okay. How to know which one I'm running?03:10
lolloolatest power 4603:10
psycho_oreosjase21, go into settings > about product03:10
jase21it shows 1.004?03:11
jase21is there a version like that?03:12
psycho_oreossounds either old or incomplete version string03:12
psycho_oreosPR1.3 has version string of: 20.2010.36-203:13
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jase21OMG the full string is: 10.2010.19-1.00403:14
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jase21is it incompatibe version :worried?03:15
psycho_oreosno its probably older03:16
Termanapsycho_oreos, 36-2?03:16
Termanapsycho_oreos, STOP USING NON-GLOBAL FIRMWARE03:16
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psycho_oreosPR1.2 you have jase21 only one version below03:17
psycho_oreosTermana, apparently that was available over OTA upgrade, not that I have had a choice and I wanted to stick on PR1.2 :) the repo forced me to get PR1.303:17
Termanajase21, you have the india version of PR 1.203:18
jase21but before updating, i would want to do a whole system backup. is backup tp a computer harddisk possible03:18
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Termanajase21, I suggest you flash it to a global firmware 1.2 or global 1.3 firmware - but that's just me.03:19
psycho_oreosTermana, and apparently 36-2 is just the firmware version, not the non-global version :) check here:
psycho_oreosyou could probably tarball the entire sysfs directory into /home/user/MyDocs or install backupmenu v2 which is still under testing the last I recall03:20
Termanapsycho_oreos, hmm, looks like they changed the version numbering system for 1.303:21
jase21does the in buit backup do system wide backup?03:22
psycho_oreosTermana, well in either case there's no easy way for me to find out if I have global release or not. I suspect I would at any rate anyway03:22
Termanajase21, no, it will backup your Documents (IIRC) and the app list and it will reinstall your apps on restore03:22
psycho_oreosdocuments and settings mainly, contacts, IM, etc03:22
jase21oh. so i need to install rootsh to do sys backups03:23
psycho_oreosif you intend to work with n900's keyboard in writing out the tarball creation process03:24
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Termanajase21, installing rootsh isn't such a bad thing anyway. If you're a normal linux user I would expect you want root access on your device anyway03:25
jase21yes. Do you have any guide or recommendation on system backup?03:25
psycho_oreoschances are, if you're not familiar with maemo's rootfs structure you are going to end up with a very large tarball. I reasonably sized tarball of sysfs minus MyDocs is around 1.9GB03:25
psycho_oreosa more clean and intuitive backup than osso-backup would be backupmenu v203:26
jase21oh. I have no idea on maemo OS architecture03:26
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jase21how to enable extras in app manager?03:29
infobotit has been said that extras is
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jase21but the problem is which distribution to select?03:35
psycho_oreosdefine distribution03:35
jase21fremantle version when we add in that repo link in app manager03:36
jase21it depends on the PR version.03:36
psycho_oreosread what I said previously, your PR version was already mentiond03:37
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jase21ok, guys got it. its 1.2 :D03:39
jase21And the repo is already added with the name doh :D03:39
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psycho_oreosscroll down on the same page for more repos03:40
psycho_oreosmore official ones03:40
jase21do you use any irc clients (app) in N900?03:42
jase21other than pidgin03:42
tristan__i just ssh.03:42
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psycho_oreosthere's xchat and irssi03:43
tristan__does the irssi have perl yet, it seemed kind of crippled last time.03:43
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jase21are they native to maemo?03:43
tristan__they're arm builds.03:43
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psycho_oreosI dunno I hardly use irssi on n900 much03:44
jase21then I'll try make an IRC client excusicely for maemo (as part of my learning purpose).03:45
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jase21if 803:45
SpeedEvilxchat works OK03:45
jase21sorry (not used to m)03:46
SpeedEvilA nice backend for ...03:46
SpeedEvilwhat's that client03:46
jase21not used to the new keyboard03:46
jase21so i'm typing out errors03:46
SpeedEvilI've got up to about 30wpm on it (not now) when I used it consistently for a week03:46
jase21yes, will require some time to get faster.03:47
jase21if I get stuck somewhere is this the place to ask about programming? or maemo-dev?03:48
SpeedEvilmaemo-dev is probably sane03:49
SpeedEvilbut here sometimes works too03:49
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jase21okay :)03:49
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BCMM_xchat is nice on the n900, but it really needs kinetic scroll03:53
BCMM_it isn't really scrolable without the stylus03:54
tristan__its abuot the most bearable xchat has ever been honestly.03:54
Funnyface-_- my phone won't boot after a reflash03:55
Funnyfaceit just displays "missing image" on the display03:56
Funnyfacewell I guess I have to start over again then03:56
SpeedEvilBCMM_: I've bound shift-up/down to pgup/down03:57
SpeedEvilyou can also use the volume buttons03:58
SpeedEvilbut I like them for channel up/down03:58
pupnikyou'd think they'd have figured out how to make unbrickable OS upgrades03:59
crashanddieMohammadAG: ping04:00
crashanddieP2P on steroids on the PS3... amazing04:00
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Funnyfacehmm well it booted now..04:01
Funnyfacefirst I flashed the firmware image, then it booted fine.. then I flashed the emmc image, and it didn't work.. then I started over again with the firmware image, and now it works04:01
Funnyfaceso I guess I will just leave it at that then04:01
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BCMM_tomorrow it will explode.04:05
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DocScrutinizerBCMM_: (xchat) I currently ponder mapping up/down to scrolling in xchat, as you rarely ever need it for input box history. I'll use shift-up/down for that04:10
BCMM_good idea actually; i mostly use up arrow to inadvertantly doublepost04:12
DocScrutinizerFunnyface: you MUST flash rootfs *after* eMMC, or/and MUST NOT boot device after flashing eMMC04:12
DocScrutinizererr, ...after flashing rootfs04:13
DocScrutinizerwhatever, NO boot after flashing the first one and prior to flashing the second one04:13
DocScrutinizerexcept if you flash eMMC first, where it will refuse to boot anyway, until you flashed rootfs as well04:14
Funnyfacealright, this place suggested that I did the firmware first, and the OS booted automatically04:17
Funnyfacebut I think it is fixed now anyway04:17
DocScrutinizerthe suggested "mandatory" sequence of rootfs/COMBINED/fiasko first, *then* eMMC/VANILLA as of wiki - is BS for all images up to date (though it *might* be needed any time in the future, for 1.7.3 :-P) Alas my edits to wiki, which were wellthought and backed up by asking others like e.g lcuk (father of optification afaik) got ruthlessly reverted by somebody who thought he knows better04:18
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Funnyfacewell, this is what I did:
DocScrutinizerand how's that interesting to anybody? esp to me?04:20
DocScrutinizerthe wiki is clear about the "DO NOT boot" part. If you follow the wiki exactly, it will work04:21
FunnyfaceI wouldn't have done it if the phone didn't boot by itself after the flash :>04:21
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Funnyfaceeither way, it is all good now :p04:25
DocScrutinizeryeah, the -R is making it reboot04:25
DocScrutinizerso what you suggest there is causing trouble for people04:25
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FunnyfaceI'm not suggesting anything, I'm just merely stating which guide I followed to get the results I did04:27
DocScrutinizer51oh I thought that's your website04:31
Funnyfacehehe nope04:31
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sivangDocScrutinizer51: watched the talk btw?04:33
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DocScrutinizer51nope, audio was too low, got headache04:33
sivangDocScrutinizer51: k, fair enough :)04:34
sivangDocScrutinizer51: I had to increase computer laptop to hear properly.04:34
sivangDocScrutinizer51: *volume04:34
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opdf2I have an update notification for PyQt4 Full Install (PR1.2), but I'm running PR 1.305:05
opdf2should I just ignore this?05:05
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DocScrutinizergood question05:07
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gustavoferreirahi everyone05:10
pupnikoh no, it's gustavoferreira05:10
pupnikjust kidding, hello :)05:10
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gustavoferreiraxD lol05:11
gustavoferreirai've a question05:11
gustavoferreirai want to install octave on my n900, i've reading, and people said that octave has been ported to maemo, but i can't find the deb file, they said it was on extra-devel repo, but i can't manage to get that :s any help?05:12
opdf2I'm gonna ignore it05:13
gustavoferreiraone more question, why doesn't this channel have at least an Ops (whatever that means) here?05:13
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Termanagustavoferreira, why would you ask why the channel doesn't have something that you don't understand anyway?05:14
gustavoferreiraxD lol because i think ops means something like an "admin" on the channel05:14
gustavoferreiraopdf2, fell free to ignore, just don't be rude saying that05:14
TermanaAnd the answer to that question is - it's standard on freenode for chanops to only give themselves op privileges when necessary, other times they just leave them off05:15
Termanagustavoferreira, opdf2 wasn't talking to you :p05:15
opdf2gustavoferreira:  I was talking about ignore a notifcation update05:15
gustavoferreiraoh, ok, in that case, really sorry opdf205:15
gustavoferreiraso, can someone here says to me where can i get that deb file?05:17
gustavoferreiraTermana, many thanks for your help, i'll try that right away!05:18
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gustavoferreirayeahhh xD many many many thanks Termana, really appreciate, when I have a difficulty you guys here always help me figuring it out, Many thanks!05:28
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timeless_mbpsp3000: so, remember microb's save-cancel problems?05:38
timeless_mbpis the ie9 version of it, from msn :)05:38
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SpeedEvilIsn't it nice to see old friends turning up in unexpected places.05:44
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pupnikSpeedEvil: just chatted with this dude
pupnikOpen Source copter qith arm cortex cpus05:47
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GeneralAntillesOK, first round of pictures are online:
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DocScrutinizerjohnsu01: if you found out, please let us know07:20
DocScrutinizer[2010-11-21 04:05:22] <opdf2> I have an update notification for PyQt4 Full Install (PR1.2), but I'm running PR 1.307:20
DocScrutinizer[2010-11-21 04:05:32] <opdf2> should I just ignore this?07:20
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Dhraakellianokay, so a while back, I was using flasher to rescue my n90008:08
Dhraakellianand there was a module I had to rmmod08:08
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Dhraakellianand, as often happens, the JFGI immediately following the ATRP brought it back08:10
Dhraakellianrmmod cdc_phonet08:11
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RobbieThe1stHello all09:11
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Psianyone got any ideas for software i can put on my n900 so i can grab files on n900 from other pcs easily, something web based would be good09:34
Psii could install samba but thats probably overkil09:34
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Psialso, with samba other pc's polling the network for smb shares would keep waking up the cpu and reduce battery life09:35
kerioPsi: ssh09:37
keriowell, any sftp client09:38
Psiim more looking for something i can easy use when im at a clients place to get files from my n900 without having to install stuff on their pc09:38
keriosshfs is overkill09:38
keriouse the ass rage!09:38
ham5that works good09:39
jaskasome sort of webdav server.. dont know if there are any lightweight ones, apache seems overkill :D09:39
RobbieThe1stUSB-Mass-storage mode. Works on -all- systems09:39
kerioRobbieThe1st: that's what i said09:39
RobbieThe1stSorry, I got disconnected and didn't see it09:39
Psithe problem with usb mass storage mode is id need to carry around the cable in my pocket all the time09:39
Psibe nice if i could do everything without even needing to take the phone out of my pocket09:40
Psiso some sort of webdav type thing would be good09:40
RobbieThe1stWhat I do is have a small case with a second pocket. I keep a short $0.99 USB cable, extra battery and pair of earbuds in there. Easy on-the-go pack.09:40
RobbieThe1stthe whole case is slightly larger than the n900; about twice as thick. Fits fine in my front pockets.09:41
Psimaybe ill install webdav or samba inside debian lxde09:42
Psithat would atleast work and not slow doen the phone as i could start/stop LXDE when i need to use it09:43
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xDaReaperx   << any mods to take care of this spammy thread ?10:51
xDaReaperxi've never seen so much spam anywhere else =/10:52
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RST38h"Raul Eamets, professor of macroeconomics at the University of Tartu, proposed today during his TEDx talk that Estonia should stop using cash at all when adopting the Euro as the national currency."10:57
MohammadAGxDaReaperx, good thing he deleted it10:58
RST38hAnd good morning, MohammadAG10:58
MohammadAGxDaReaperx, it was illegal in so many ways10:58
MohammadAGRST38h, morning :)10:58
xDaReaperxyeah i noticed the cached page10:58
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NooBmonk3ygood photos GeneralAntilles :)11:32
alteregoHey NooBmonk3y11:33
NooBmonk3yi need a dual screen, ... will be alot easier i feel..... darn i have a crappy pc11:34
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nakeeeHi, I want to use n900's camera for a computer science course. For that I want to control the different aspect of the camera from a linux computer11:35
alteregonakeee: can you code?11:35
nakeeeis it possible?11:36
nakeeealterego, yes, but I don't have experience with coding for cell phones11:36
alteregonakeee: look into the fcam project11:36
MohammadAGit's coding for linux :P11:36
alteregoMeh, the N900 is coding for Linux :)11:36
pupnik_alterego: does that let you stream the camera to the pc?11:36
alteregopupnik_: he could use it to stream.11:37
pupnik_i was just looking at 'qik' but not what i want11:37
pupnik_sweet, the question i was going to asked was just answered11:37
alteregoErm, well, you'd need to use gstreamer to stream from fcam really ..11:37
* NooBmonk3y was about to say the same thing :)11:37
NooBmonk3ygstreamer works fine :)11:38
MohammadAGfcam is to control lens crap11:38
alteregofcam gives you the raw video frames and full control over lens11:38
alteregoYou can feed those frames over a socket or stick them through gstreamer11:38
pupnik_i don't want frames actually, i need to get an mpeg4 stream from a hardware encoder - not bog the cpu down anymore than needed11:39
nakeeejust to make sure I understand it correctly:) I can ssh the phone and then use fcam to control the camera?11:40
alteregoMohammadAG: almost finished Columbus now :) made it look super pretty, I'd show off some screen shots but I don't want to spoil the launch :P11:40
alteregonakeee: No, fcam is a C++ API11:40
pupnik_nakeee: you would need to write a program that uses the fcam library11:40
MohammadAGalterego, PM then :P11:41
nakeeeyea, I just meant there are no special permission problems of using it from remote11:41
alteregonakeee: how much control are we talking about?11:41
nakeeealterego, controlling zoom light contrast things like that11:41
alteregoMohammadAG: maybe later if I'm feeling generous, but I'm being quite secretive now I'm getting close to release ;)11:41
* MohammadAG calls a fellow terrorist11:42
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alteregoI think you can do that with the cam element in gstreamer.11:42
alteregoI think it does zoom, shame you have to do post processing for the other stuff though.11:43
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nakeeeis there an howto somewhere on how I cross compile on linux for the n900?11:47
nakeeeIt sounds easier than to compile it on the phone:)11:47
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infobotscratchbox is probably a cross-compiling system that uses binfmt_misc, rpc calls, and an nfs mount to make a cross-build appear to be 100% native, and is found at
alteregonakeee: loads on the wiki and in the doc section of maemo.org11:48
alteregoOr madde/Nokia Qt SDK which is what I'd recommend ^.^11:49
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nakeeealterego, thanks for all the help:)12:08
alteregonp :)12:09
nakeeeOne last question, is there also a library for using the camera for motion detection?12:09
nakeeebefore I go to write one:)12:09
alteregoErm, no, but there's probably one you can build.12:09
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pekujado most of you guys use Irssi on Maemo?12:10
pekujaI've been using X-Chat and I just kinda hate it.12:11
Termanapekuja, I think most people use xchat on maemo12:11
alteregoI use irc, in screen on a server I ssh to12:11
pekujaTermana, yeah? I feel like it's kinda annoying to use when you have a lot of channels12:12
Termanaalterego, because you are just that hardcore aren't you?12:12
pekujaalterego, the IRC client called "irc"?12:12
alteregono irssi12:12
pekujaok :-P12:12
pekujabut yeah, I did that too12:12
pekujaright now I have ZNC12:12
pekujamostly because I figured X-Chat would be nicer than Irssi on Maemo12:12
pekujabut turns out I don't really like that either12:12
pekujaI think I'd say Irssi is, or can be made, easier to use than X-Chat on Maemo12:13
NooBmonk3yooo can it? :P12:13
pekujasince it relies more on the keyboard, which is kind of a forté for Maemo12:13
alteregoI've not done any tweaks though12:13
pekujaNooBmonk3y, no clue. I'm just rambling12:13
alteregoInstead of alt switching you have to use ESC then number12:14
sjkirssi is OK on maemo12:14
pekujabut basically for example, it's really annoying to browse through a long list of channels in X-Chat12:14
* dlirit just found mediabox, like a million years too late12:14
TermanaI quite liked xchat - and the ability to scroll channels with the volume rocker12:14
Termanapekuja, how many channels are you normally in on your n90012:14
sjki use ssh and screen irssi on a remote server too12:14
pekujabut since you mostly want to check the windows with new activity, you can do an Esc + A in Irssi12:14
alteregosjk: that's because we're awesome :)12:14
pekujaTermana, I dunno, 20 maybe12:14
dliritI always stuck with canola due to it's extremely easy interface but recently I've been configuring my upnp streamer and it can't find mediatomb so I resulted to mediabox12:15
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sjkalterego, hehe!12:15
pekujaTermana, the thing is, I use a bouncer on my server12:15
pekujaTermana, so I have the same channels open on Maemo that I have on my desktop12:15
Termanapekuja, fair enough I guess.12:15
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pekujaI mean, maybe I could figure out a way to cherrypick the most important channels and have those in Maemo12:16
TermanaFunny story about bouncers, I was trying to set one up the other week, but for some reason I thought it wasn't working. Anyway, somehow I left the process going and I found my nickname kept being unavailable even when I done a ghost and release with nickserv. Turns out the bouncer kept taking my nickname.12:16
pekujabut I don't actually know how I could do that12:16
sjkBy the way, I really miss some kind of keychain for ssh keys on the maemo12:17
sjkanyone using one?12:17
alteregoI use ssh agent12:17
alteregoThere's a nice .profile mod you can do12:18
sjkAh. Care to share?12:19
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sjk(the only downside i can see by using ssh+irssi is that you lose word completion)12:20
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sjkif that is included in xchat then perhaps typing in xchat would be slightly faster12:20
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sjkbut i have never used xchat on maemo so i can't tell :)12:21
steinexyes, it is included12:21
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steinexi use xchat since yesterday, switched from irssi12:21
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steinexi like the notifications on hilight/privmsg12:22
sjkit would be nice if one could activate word completion for the terminal with some hotkey12:22
sjkyhat would be nice for ssh + irssi or talkd12:23
trumeethe default color theme in xchat sucks. there are some good ones on the web.12:23
steinextrumee, agreed12:23
trumeei use the fire theme from here
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trumeeis it possible to set small font for ser list in xchat? They eat too much precious space12:27
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Mecei'm trying to build a package in sdk but it keeps whining about sigc++ eventhough I have libsigc++ dev files installed. what gives.12:39
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alteregoMohammadAG: ping12:44
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MohammadAGalterego, pong12:46
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alteregoNo post processing ;)12:48
alteregoThat's a clean screenshot12:48
alteregoWell, except the 50% scale and drop shadow :D12:48
MohammadAGdamn that takes time on 2.5G :P12:49
NooBmonk3ywow, cool pic!12:49
alteregoGood job it wasn't full scale then ;)12:49
alteregoI'm tidying up the track view at the moment, I'll upload some screenshots later :)12:50
MohammadAGalterego, cool12:50
MohammadAGalterego, when's the release :P12:51
alteregoWell, I've got my Ovi account12:51
alteregoI reckon I should be done by the end of the week.12:51
janembaI can't switch between desktop can you help me ?12:51
MohammadAGyou're releasing it on ovi?12:51
alteregoYeah, need the money :/12:52
MohammadAGgrr, open up an app store of your own12:52
alteregoThat thought has crossed my mind, and it is a possibility.12:52
alteregoThe Ovi T&C says you get 60% of price :/12:53
MohammadAGextras non-free, handle payment in-app12:53
MohammadAGnot only that, but it can easily be pirated from12:53
MohammadAGhandling payments in app would be the best way imo12:53
alterego40% if it's obtained through some carrier thing, but we don't have that on N90012:53
alteregoYeah, a lot of hassle though12:53
alteregoI'd quite like to know the metrics of pirated software on maemo as well tbh ...12:54
MohammadAGjust make a database and push IMEIs to it if the payment was received12:54
MohammadAGpirated software on maemo? it's a lot more than you think12:54
alteregoYeah ..12:54
MohammadAGcheck symbian's forums12:54
alteregoWell, these are things I'll think about more when I've finished, right now it's more getting to that stage for me :)12:55
MohammadAGyou'll find most (if not all) apps on ovi pirated12:55
alteregoSure, but I mean how many peopel are actually using pirated versions.12:55
jacekowskiMohammadAG: there is no commercial software for maemo12:55
jacekowskiMohammadAG: so there is no piracy12:55
MohammadAGcount most symbian to maemo transitions12:55
MohammadAGjacekowski, err?12:55
alteregojacekowski: how can you say that?12:55
mece_well, I guess there is some jacekowski12:55
jacekowskistatistical error12:56
alteregoAngry Birds, Zenbound, blah blah balh12:56
MohammadAGthere isn't any DRM protection on the apps, but they are paid12:56
mece_the preenv games are all pirated...12:56
jacekowskiovi fail is working?12:56
MohammadAGdon't count those though12:56
alteregoWell, actually in my case I've got a few Palm OS games that I paid for :P12:56
alteregoSims and NFSU12:56
MohammadAGpreenv pirating is due to pirating palm pre games12:56
MohammadAGnot maemo related in any way imo12:56
MohammadAGjacekowski, the store gives you a direct link to a deb12:57
alteregoMohammadAG: maybe not, but it is an indication of where peoples ethics are ;)12:57
mece_alterego, well I don't think it's legal to actually extract them from the palm. Haven't read the thing though.12:57
MohammadAGthe link is reusable many times12:57
mece_alterego, it's not evil piracy, but I don't think it's legal either way12:57
alteregomece_: it is in the UK, we have data laws that allow backups and such.12:57
MohammadAGand the deb's downloaded to /var/tmp12:57
alteregoYou buy it it's yours.12:57
mece_alterego, nice.12:57
mece_alterego, either way, most people don't have a possibility to buy pre games12:58
mece_alterego, which is entirely palms fault though.12:58
MohammadAGwe're talking maemo, not pre :P12:58
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jacekowskialterego: you don't buy it12:58
mece_MohammadAG, quite.12:58
jacekowskialterego: you license it12:58
alteregoI think I probably will do my own store12:58
alteregoAnd have registration locks on the software.12:58
jacekowskiand i'll crack them12:59
alteregoAnd I'll hunt you down and kill your first born :P12:59
jacekowskii'm not planing to have first born12:59
jacekowskiit costs too much12:59
MohammadAGthen he'll kill $0 :P12:59
alteregoHowdy D-Iivil13:00
jacekowskii have to go13:00
alteregoMy track view widget is quite nice, got smooth rotation, panning and zoom :)13:00
MohammadAGi can haz screenshot?13:01
alteregoNo not yet, I'm redoing a compass widget for it.13:01
alteregoAnd I can only see a dot in the centre of the screen at the moment because there's nothing to map ;)13:01
MohammadAGalterego, which MSN plugin do you use?13:02
MohammadAGhaze has been disconnecting a lot for me13:02
alteregoGood question ..13:02
alteregoErm ..13:02
* mece_ uses pecan, and it works13:02
alteregoI think it's pecan I use ..13:02
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MohammadAGif it only it supported nicks and display pics...13:03
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mece_okido the problem found. this thing looks for sigc++1.2 but I only have sigc++2.0. I guess it should be backwards compatible, but I don't know where modify the requirement.13:03
NooBmonk3yis it me, or do progress bars no longer work on maemo? (QT4.7)13:04
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NooBmonk3yMohammadAG,  trying, and seems to have no effect13:05
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MohammadAGdon't use one13:05
D-IivilSome weird thing is going on my N900... I can't copy large files (over ~400megs) back and forth. My phone always hangs at some point and reboots. After that I must fsck -a the MyDocs or it'll only be shown as read-only device.13:06
D-IivilAny ideas?13:06
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D-IivilAlready tried with stock kernel and with severall files, but like 9/10 the outcome is as described.13:07
MohammadAGeMMC is slow13:07
MohammadAGload gets high, the phone starts swapping like hell13:08
MohammadAGphone hangs13:08
D-IivilAnd same happens in all these situations: 1) I copy large file from MMC to eMMC, 2) I copy file from eMMC to MMC, 3) I copy from me PC over ssh13:08
D-IivilMohammadAG, any solutions proposials?13:08
D-IivilI can't even extract lmza compressed images on the device... it hangs and reboots.13:09
iDontMohammadAG: This could be the reason haze has been disconnecting a lot lately, I've experienced that as well:
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iDontMohammadAG: Importing the certificates from should fix it, but can't test it as my N900 is gone for repair since yesterday13:10
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alteregoHrm, I should probably do this in scratchbox, the packaging crap is really starting to annoy me ..13:28
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NooBmonk3yalterego, starting to sound like me ;)13:31
alteregoHah, sounds like, but completely different issue ;)13:31
alteregoEverytime I make a modification to my code it compiles/packages/scps to device/unpackages/starts up13:32
alteregoIt's annoying ..13:32
D-IivilMaybe it's time for full sweep and reflash. In the past I was able to copy large files with no problems...13:33
D-IivilIs there a possibility that eMMC has corrupted somehow and that causes problems when writing or reading stuff?13:33
RobbieThe1stUm, FSCK/chkdsk it?13:34
D-IivilRobbieThe1st, I have to run fsck everytime the device reboots itself. I'm running it with -a switch.13:34
DocScrutinizerD-Iivil: known effect, related to kernel swap madness13:35
D-IivilDocScrutinizer, and no solution to fix it?13:35
DocScrutinizerD-Iivil: probably not hw related13:35
DocScrutinizerD-Iivil: allegedly new kernel has some halfassed fixes13:35
luke-jrD-Iivil: corruption is also possible, but unlikely on eMMC since BME shuts the system down before it loses battery13:36
DocScrutinizerD-Iivil: somebody suggested to use rsync with throttling bandwidth to tackle the problem13:36
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DocScrutinizerfor cp of large files13:36
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D-IivilDocScrutinizer, hmmm... sounds too complicated to use rsync just to transfer files from pc to phone :(13:37
D-Iivil(windows machine)13:37
DocScrutinizerD-Iivil: I cp'd 13GB from PC to eMMC in ass rage mode, worked just fine13:38
* D-Iivil thinks if it would help if he sets limit for scp transfer13:39
DocScrutinizertrying to cp from uSD to eMMC created same issue you described13:39
luke-jrD-Iivil: you use Windows⁇13:39
D-IivilDocScrutinizer, ass rage mode? Sounds a bit gay :P13:39
D-Iivilluke-jr, mainly yes.13:39
DocScrutinizerMass STOrage13:39
D-IivilDocScrutinizer, too bad I lost my usb cable and getting new from ebay will take weeks...13:40
D-IivilWould setting speedlimit for scp transfer help?13:40
DocScrutinizerD-Iivil: you may try fiddling with things like swappiness, prio/nice etc. And kill cp when it slows down13:41
DocScrutinizerask ShadowJK13:41
DocScrutinizerkill tracker13:42
D-Iivilkilling tracker sounds like a good idea :)13:43
D-Iiviljust killall tracker-d tracker-indexer13:43
DocScrutinizerdunno, maybe killall --SIGSTOP13:44
DocScrutinizeror stop the init process, whatever13:44
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D-Iivilhmm... would it be enough just disable everything in tracker-cfg?13:45
DocScrutinizermake sure there's no other processes accessing the media concurrently, also make sure you're not already using large amounts of ram for other processes so swapping is less likely13:46
DocScrutinizerd-lthat's what I did )tracker.cfg)13:46
D-IivilDocScrutinizer, okay, will try that :)13:47
D-IivilFresh reboot, kill tracker, trying to transfer...13:47
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DocScrutinizerkeep a second shell open at higher prio and root, to kill processes in htop13:48
D-Iivilhow do I set the priority?13:49
D-IivilI have another ssh session opened for killing the transfer...13:49
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DocScrutinizercheck for general system sanity prior to starting cp enterprise, some apps do nasty things to system: flashlight-extra for example is known to rape CPU by constant respawns etc13:50
DocScrutinizerroot; renice13:50
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DocScrutinizerI guess13:50
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DocScrutinizersorry forgot about messybox meanwhile13:51
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D-IivilI'm not using cp command, I have sftp server running and receiving stuff.13:51
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D-IivilBut so far it seems good. I killed the tracker and set constant 200KiB/s limit for the transfer.13:53
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mece_anyone tried building Advanced Strategic Command for N900?13:55
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mece_(Open source Battle Isle clone)13:55
crashanddiehello Maemo13:55
* alterego contemplates distributing a free version of his app without logging and waypoints. Just the UI ...13:55
crashanddiejolly good Sunday to all of you13:56
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alteregoHello crashanddie13:56
obsidiethia m getting a weird apt error13:56
SpeedEvilHello crashanddie!13:56
obsidiethdpkg: parse error, in file `/var/lib/dpkg/available' near line 13087 package `tar-gnu': newline in field name `DXVW3sT6tbxE6V8XyN4Fnh71T8DmMah13TpzTYt0QqOBrmGzj/KbG8X2hskab'13:56
obsidiethtrying to remove conky, wihch installed incorrectly.13:56
mece_hm I wonder if sigc++-1.2 will conflict with sigc++-2.014:00
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D-Iivil:D Didn't work out :P14:02
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mece_I guess it doesn't :D14:03
mece_yay verily yay14:03
mece_ok, perhaps a bit early to cheer14:03
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mece_but it's still compiling and didn't crash on sigc++ error14:04
D-IivilGuess I'll just wait for that goddamn usb-cable to arrive and do the transfers then...14:04
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mece_D-Iivil, theme customizer is awesome btw. Just sayin.14:05
obsidiethsudo dpkg --clear-avail && sudo apt-get update14:07
obsidiethdoes the trick.14:07
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crashanddieMohammadAG: ping14:09
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crashanddieor are you busy praying your lord Jesus?14:09
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mece_is g++ incredibly slow or why the hell is this build taking so long?14:23
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derfC++ compilers are, in general, incredibly slow.14:25
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mece_ahemm. oh. the source is 445Mb... LOL14:27
ieatlintyes, g++ is slow14:27
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RobbieThe1stBah. If it's slow, it just means you need more processing power! :P14:29
SpeedEvilTwo n900s14:29
RobbieThe1stEmulate a few more, or switch to a desktop(cluster)!14:30
derfApparently Mozilla has dozens of N900's racked and mounted in a data center.14:30
derfWhich I find incredibly amusing, for some reason.14:31
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Funnyfacewhy the N900? :> it doesn't even have an ethernet port14:31
DocScrutinizerlo crashanddie14:32
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DocScrutinizerFunnyface: it's always the interesting part of massive parellel processing to keep the needed grid bandwidth as low as possible14:34
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ieatlintderf, where've you heard that? (that mozilla has n900s on racks)14:42
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ieatlinti know mozilla originally was having a lot of trouble getting ahold of n900s last year, and i got the impression they just wanted a dozen or so test devices14:42
Arkenoiis it possible to make a special cable that allows hostmode and charging in the same time, or are they mutually exclusive?14:42
SpeedEvilthey are unrelated14:43
SpeedEvilin short - yes14:43
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korhojoaso usb ethernet solves the bandwidth issue14:43
korhojoathroughput is just awful14:43
ieatlinterr, i thought that the phone detects a charge by either negotiating with a usb host controller or by the data +/- pins being shorted?14:43
SpeedEvilieatlint: sort-of.14:44
SpeedEvilieatlint: but that's quite irrelevant14:44
ieatlintto hostmode charging?14:44
SpeedEvilieatlint: the battery charger can also be turned on manually14:44
SpeedEvilafter killing BME14:44
ieatlintwell, that's not irrelevant then :P14:44
SpeedEvilIt's irrelevant in a properly designed system.14:45
ieatlintyes, but if you have to stop BME and do something else special to get it to work, it's rather relevant14:45
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SpeedEvilThere is nice software on the way to do this for you.14:50
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dRbiGhmm, 6% - 10% cpu usage for hildon-desktop, while not looking at the desktop, is okey in pr1.3 or is it a bug?14:57
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alteregoMy Qt widgets bring all the boys to the yard, my app is better than yaaars.15:00
lolloowhat is it alterego?15:01
alteregoWhat's what?15:01
lolloothe QT widgets ofcourse15:03
alteregoWell, there's quite a few of them15:03
alteregoHere's one screen:
alteregoI'm keeping everything else kind of under wraps at the moment.15:03
lolloowow looks wonderful15:04
alteregoThanks :)15:04
lolloofits my phone theme too15:04
lolloofuturestic look15:04
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alteregoI was going for a sort of holographic display/HUD look15:05
alteregoIt's more impressive when you use the swipe to change view ports.15:05
alteregoSort of like the home screens.15:05
lollooso Qt brings alot on the table for sure!15:06
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alteregoYeah, it's fun.15:06
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ieatlinthave you tried your app on symbian?15:07
ieatlintor is it maemo specific?15:07
alteregoCurrently it is maemo specific, but I've been coding it with the intention of porting to Symbian for sure.15:07
derfieatlint: See, e.g.,
povbotBug 605907: was not found.15:07
ieatlintderf, that's pretty funny, hehe15:08
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korhojoaderf, haha :D15:08
alteregoThe only thing really is display orientation handling.15:09
alteregoI will be porting it to Symbian though :)15:09
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ieatlintyeah, the orientation thing is an annoying bitch15:09
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lollooI agree15:10
alteregoI suppose there's also file system stuff, and my bluetooth data streaming is Linux specific.15:10
mece_alterego, you're really going all out with the ui :D15:10
alteregoI'm a whore for details :/15:11
alteregoI mean, perfectionist ..15:11
ieatlintif you use QDesktopService::storageLocation, it'll give you valid paths to store data on maemo and symbian15:11
alteregoI'll never be 100% happy though so I've decided that view is final ;)15:11
ieatlinti'll be curious to see your code sometime :P15:12
ieatlintassuming open source, etc, heh15:12
alteregoieatlint: yeah, I know there are things for that, I've just not been using them (yet).15:12
alteregoWell, I'll give out the source for specific things to people that want to play. But the application I want to sell so ...15:12
ieatlintfair enough15:13
alteregoI might do a FOSS edition, basically without data logging and way point support, just the UI.15:13
alteregoBut I'm happy to share source code for my widgets and help people learn to do what I've done.15:13
ieatlintthat more what i'm curious on15:14
ieatlinti generally suck at ui... am much more of a backend guy15:14
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alteregoUI for me is trial and error.15:15
ieatlintyou using something like qt designer?15:15
alteregoall hand crafted, heh.15:16
ieatlinti'm a c guy, who had some fun with gtk, and then about 6months ago was thrown qt to do a project after not touching c++ for 3 years15:16
ieatlintand have been moving along through that somewhat slowly15:16
alteregoSimilar story for me really.15:16
ieatlintand yeah, i'm always confused with qtdesigner... i can do a basic layout in it, and end up with a 600kb program using large amounts of ram, or i can just throw a few widgets in a qvboxlayout and have it for 20kb15:17
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alteregoI just find that I want to do something that can't be done in designer, then I look at the code it generates so I can customise it and the ugliness of generated code is quite off-putting15:18
alteregoI'll still do it for simple form based layouts and such.15:19
ieatlintwell, if/when you share the ui code for that, i'll definitely be curious to take a look :)15:19
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alteregoSure :)15:21
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sivanghey alterego15:30
sivangalterego: how's it been goung?15:31
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alteregosivang: not bad, sorry I mised your PM yesterday, I was out with the lady having dinner :)15:31
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sivangalterego: ah that is nice15:33
sivangalterego: it was a while since I had a lady with me :)15:33
alteregoThey're a pain in the arse, but occasionally fun ^.^15:34
* ieatlint agrees all too much15:34
sivangindeed :)15:34
sivangSince mine left, I've been enjoying myself more than ever :)15:34
sivangand I'm free to relocate wherever I want without hassle and long arguments into the night15:35
alteregoYeah, tell me about it ^.^15:35
alteregoShe wants to go to Canada, I want to go to Finland.15:35
sivangWell, Canada is not bad at all15:35
sivangMontreal is amazing15:36
alteregotbh, I wouldn't mind going to Canada either ;)15:36
ieatlintquebec != canada :P15:36
MohammadAGfinland is cold15:36
alteregoI said we'd discuss it after we know it's an option for her and I've done some research.15:36
sivangMohammadAG: Finland is *love*15:36
MohammadAGk, nvm, canada's cold too15:36
sivangieatlint: so I guess I prefer quebec maybe15:36
sivangFinland has much attraction for someone who has been living most of his life close to harbors and shores15:37
sivangocean, seagulls15:37
ieatlinti need to visit finland sometime15:37
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sivangieatlint: me too :)15:39
MohammadAGi need to visit the bermuda triangle :P15:39
sivangieatlint: I visited it in the summer, I want to experience it in the winter as well.15:39
sivangMohammadAG: why? :)15:39
sivangsounds like "I want to get lost"15:39
ieatlinti'm from a temperate climate, and the codest i've experienced was munich in january15:39
ieatlintdid april in stockholm once, but that wasn't that terrible15:40
lollooMiddle east is still hot.15:41
lollooit's like summer here15:41
lollooI guess we won't see winter this year!15:41
ieatlinthaha, it's 7c here, which with the rare exception is as cold as it ever gets ehre15:41
lolloo35c here still using airconditioner15:42
lollooglobal warming I guess15:42
ieatlintouch... it rarely gets that hot here15:42
ieatlint2 days this summer i think15:42
lolloosummer is like 6 months hehehe15:43
lolloobut this year it's longer!15:43
ieatlintcoldest summer here in 30 years15:43
ieatlinti think the average summer high was ~18c15:44
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lolloomy N900 gets hot quickly15:45
lolloobecause of this weather!15:46
lollooI cant have fun overclocking it!15:46
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lolloois U-boot compatible with power kernel46?15:49
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mece_gaaaaaah OMG how can this take so long??15:52
* mece_ rips hair out15:52
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MohammadAGlolloo, no15:54
mece_I sure hope I can compile only the modified files next time. (trying to adapt some ui bits to 800x48015:54
ieatlintmece_, should be able to15:54
lolloohey, thanks.15:54
mece_ieatlint, yep, but sometimes things don't work.15:54
mece_we'll see.15:54
mece_if I atleast could get this one compiled15:55
ieatlinti'm careful to use the word "should" and never speak in absolutes15:55
MohammadAGlolloo, he removed it cause users didn't like it15:55
mece_omg... I think it's done...15:55
mece_compressing graphics now15:55
mece_interesting. I modified a file while it was building, and it revisited that file at the end and recompiled it :D15:56
mece_I'm a bit impressed by that15:56
MohammadAGlolloo, you can compile a uimage and make your own uboot image :)15:57
lolloowow awesome15:57
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MohammadAG_anyone got quick access (direct links) to service manuals 1 & 2?16:22
MohammadAG_nvm found them16:22
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MohammadAG_DocScrutinizer, ping16:24
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DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: pong16:31
alteregoHrm, the mobility NMEA parsing is a bit crappy.16:34
alteregoOnly handles position information not satellite telemetry.16:34
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DocScrutinizeralterego: :-(16:40
alteregoMight have to implement it myself ...16:41
DocScrutinizeranyway, we got NMEA?16:41
sougatapupnik, hi16:41
pupnikallo allo16:41
alteregoYeah, you can swap in QNmeaPositionInfoSource instead of a QGeoPositionInfoSource to make your application reaed NMEA sentences instead of using position gained from a GPS.16:42
sougataI have googled a bit and installed some softwares to my n80016:42
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sougatathey are running chinook16:42
alteregoWhich I'm using to read in log files and stuff.16:42
alteregoTo render previous track logs.16:42
sougataI want to write some guis for some of them16:42
DocScrutinizeralterego: that's quite obvious as Qt is cross-ülatform. But do we *have* any NMEA to read?16:43
alteregoBut I wanted a "playback" function, which would allow me to run through an old log in real time updating the UI as it would have appeared.16:43
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, disassembled the device16:43
sougatalike ttcp and my own c codes16:43
MohammadAGI'm still not sure how to remove the GPS thingy16:43
alteregoDocScrutinizer: I do, I've got a QGeoPositionInfo -> NMEA sentence converter :P16:43
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sougataI have installed gcc16:43
alteregoI use it for streaming telemetry through bluetooth or UDP/TCP16:44
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: that's annoying16:44
alteregoAnd logging16:44
DocScrutinizeralterego: cool :-)16:44
sougatapupnik, do I have to use gtk to write gui's16:45
DocScrutinizerproper NMEA *from* N900 is what a lot of people are looking for16:45
alteregoDocScrutinizer: yeah :)16:45
alteregoI've implemented the full NMEA sentence set as used by SiRF equipment.16:46
alteregoSo if your software works with a bluetooth or network SiRF device, then it'll work with the N900 & my app16:46
MohammadAGspeaking of real time16:46
MohammadAGalterego, any ideas how to update kernel messages in real time? :)16:46
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alteregoMohammadAG: presumably in your host mode app's kernel output logging text view thingy?16:47
MohammadAGthat would be one of the two apps that need it :P16:47
alteregoLet me think about it for a few minutes.16:47
MohammadAGhaving /proc/driver/musb_hdrc output being updated in real time would be cool16:47
alteregoDo you currently do a system call to execute dmesg and just dump the output?16:48
MohammadAGbut I have no idea how that would be done, other than a QTimer16:48
MohammadAGalterego, yes16:48
alteregoYeah, not ideal ^.^16:48
MohammadAG(with some help of sed to add <br> to end of each line)16:48
MohammadAGto the*16:48
alteregoCrap, accidentally cleared my dmesg buffer ..16:51
MohammadAGhow o_O16:52
alteregodmesg -c16:52
alteregoDon't ask me why I ran it.16:52
alteregoI thought it would be fun.16:52
alteregoWhere's javispedro when you need him :)16:53
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MohammadAGno wonder people end up with broken power buttons :P16:55
alteregoMohammadAG: I think you can read directly from /dev/console16:55
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alteregoI might be wrong though, not sure if output goes to that.16:56
MohammadAGI think I'll have to break a screw :/16:57
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DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: either 'tail -f /var/log/syslog'17:03
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: or poll dmesg output and check if there's been new lines at bottom17:04
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alteregoDocScrutinizer: I'm wondering if he can open a pipe to dmesg and keep it open a bit like tail -f does ..17:04
DocScrutinizerdmesg is sending output to STDOUT. No pipe will make it output more than end of ring buffer17:05
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DocScrutinizerafaik there's simply no -f ption for dmesg17:06
DocScrutinizerwhen it's done it quits17:06
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: I think you have to loose a screw that's covered by some platic that doesn't belong there17:08
DocScrutinizershould be rather simple though17:08
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MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, nope, no screws on the GPS antenna17:09
MohammadAGI removed the mobo and all that stuff17:09
DocScrutinizerbut *under* the gps ant latch17:09
MohammadAGeven removed the antenna assembly17:09
MohammadAG(modem one)17:09
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MohammadAGyep, the screw's stuck there17:10
pupniksougata: sorry i was busy.  the answer is no, unless someone is forcing you17:10
plantttI want to develop an app  and am now trying to figure out to use Hildon or Qt4. I want to use Python, so the bindings don't seem to be a problem.17:10
plantttWhich toolkit would you advise?17:10
keriostarting a new app?17:10
kerioqt4/qt mobility17:10
DocScrutinizerwhen you even removed main PCB, then you should be able to remove GPS asy as well17:11
plantttyes, i want to build an app to track my running, including route, speed, etcetera17:11
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, yeah, but there about 3 latches17:11
plantttkerio, would the qt4 binding for Python (which should be installed separately) not be a problem?17:12
MohammadAGor 417:12
keriono idea17:12
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keriobut using qt will allow you to port your application to meego easily17:12
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plantttkerio, concerning distribution i mean, development looks OK'17:13
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keriomeh, add it as a dependancy17:13
kerioi thought pyqt was already installed17:13
plantttkerio, ah it is that simple (I havent looked into packaging yet)17:13
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MohammadAGand you can't push the ovi store with python apps (for obvious reasons)17:13
alteregoI would shamelessly plug my application for planttt but it's not released yet ^.^17:13
keriothe what?17:13
MohammadAGto the*17:13
plantttkerio, I just had to install it myself to run my little test program17:13
keriowhat's an "ovi store"?17:14
MohammadAGa retarded store17:14
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keriooh, *that* store17:14
MohammadAGthey're synonymous17:14
MohammadAGalso (imo), python is kinda slow :P17:14
plantttalterego, running track as well ?17:14
alteregoplanttt: it might do some stuff you find useful.17:15
kerioMohammadAG: you can run faster than python?17:15
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MohammadAGwhen I wake up I don't need to do imports :P17:15
alteregoplanttt: it logs your journey, has stats on journey average speed calculation etc.17:15
keriono, i mean17:15
keriohe's writing nike+ for maemo17:15
alteregoplanttt: displays trip distance etc.17:16
alteregoplanttt: what specific functionality are you after? I might include it.17:16
kerioif you can run faster than a python application can track you, then wtf are you doing on irc17:16
keriogo win medals17:16
plantttalterego, well pretty much that what you mention now. Oh, and also, it shouldn'y suck ;-)17:16
alteregoplanttt: if my app sucked then I wouldn't expect anyone to buy it.17:17
alteregoSo I am trying hard to not make it suck ;)17:17
MohammadAGkerio, lol17:17
plantttalterego, what would be the price? (mine would be OS, so it is OK to suck)17:17
alteregoplanttt: not decided, probably only a couple of pounds, maybe 3 or 417:18
* MohammadAG takes out knife again17:18
alteregoplanttt: it's basically a GPS app which tries to act a bit more like handheld GPS'17:18
kerioMohammadAG: nooo17:18
keriodon't do it17:18
plantttalterego, when is the planned release date?17:18
MohammadAGI refuse to pay in pounds!!!!11!17:18
MohammadAGeuros ftw17:19
alteregoplanttt: I'm hoping to have finished it in a week, so I guess a little over that and I'll distribute17:19
plantttalterego, name? I'll check it out when its out17:19
alteregoplanttt: At the moment it's called Columbus, but that may change depending on legality ;)17:19
alteregoplanttt: here's a sneak peak at the ui:
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alteregoplanttt: the ui is seperated into 3 views, that view (status), track view and statistics.17:20
plantttalterego, would I be able to import a track into Google Maps?17:20
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alteregoplanttt: possibly, what format does googlemaps take?17:20
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MohammadAG<DocScrutinizer> MohammadAG: or poll dmesg output and check if there's been new lines at bottom <-- how do I do that? :317:21
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alteregoplanttt: my app outputs NMEA and GPX formats to a file, bluetooth and tcp/udp sockets.17:21
plantttalterego, KML I believe, GPSJinni supports it (that's the itch that made me think about developing something myself)17:21
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: sigh17:21
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: wait a minute17:21
alteregoI'll make a note of KML and see if I can add it.17:21
plantttalterego, it's a dead simple format, too simple if you ask me17:22
alteregoWell, there shouldn't be a problem then ^.^17:22
plantttalterego, basically it is just a list of latlong coords, not really sure why it is an XML actually.17:23
plantttanyway, Qt4 is the way to go.17:24
plantttis there any news on if/when MeeGo will be on the N900, as an upgrade?17:24
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alteregoplanttt: well, now, it'll never be an upgrade in the sense I think you mean. Once it gets stable and feature complete people will start to move to it.17:25
alteregoBut there wont suddenly be a magical release and everyone will upgrade to it happily.17:25
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MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, I need a new antenna17:34
MohammadAGit wasn't the screw raising the battery cover17:35
MohammadAGor it might not be the antenna17:36
MohammadAGit seems to be the whole assey17:37
MohammadAGah fuck 32.00 €17:38
DocScrutinizerjr@halley:~/Documents/OpenMoko> echo $last17:38
DocScrutinizerjr@halley:~/Documents/OpenMoko> dmesg|sed -n "/$last/,$ p"|tail +217:38
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DocScrutinizerprints all lines *after* the one with timestamp (actually regex)  5178697.00516817:39
MohammadAGmohammad@mohammad-i5:/dev$ export last=`dmesg | tail -1 | awk '{print $1}' | sed 's/\[//g' | sed 's/\]//g'`17:42
MohammadAGmohammad@mohammad-i5:/dev$ dmesg|sed -n "/$last/,$ p"|tail +217:42
MohammadAGtail: cannot open `+2' for reading: No such file or directory17:42
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crashanddiesometimes, I'm really grateful to be a bit of a techie. Just re-did part of the electrics in the garage. Quoted about around 600-900 euros by electricians, job done myself for about 80euros in parts.17:45
RST38h...and then you bite into the hot wire and die horrible electrocution death!17:46
* RST38h laughs diabolically17:46
MohammadAGyup, need a new B cover17:47
* MohammadAG wonders if he should invest more into the N90017:47
crashanddieactually, I passed some certification where they explained I wasn't supposed to pee on wires that read "High Voltage" and that the diagram showed having little sparkles around, which totally reflects real life. RST38h, never thought they'd tell me something useful in school.17:48
RST38hNo shit!17:49
* RST38h has even been told how to assemble AK-74 in school. Fortunately, has not come useful.17:49
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korhojoaRST38h, hm. well, that's relatively simple17:54
* ShadowJK did it blindfolded, the 47 variety17:54
korhojoai can disassemble and assemble a close relative of it, the rk6217:55
ShadowJKYeah :D17:55
korhojoaeh, if you can't do it in under a minute, you fail17:55
korhojoaalso, it's easy blindfolded too17:55
ShadowJKI was trying to remember if it was a minute or 20s blindfolded :)17:56
RST38h20s is kinda short17:56
korhojoadisassembly should be 10-15 seconds and assembly 30-45 seconds17:56
RST38halthough the ones we had in school fell apart after you hit them on the table17:56
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: (tail: cannot open `+2' for reading: No such file or directory) nuke busybox :-P17:56
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DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: I really can't be bothered to check how messybox tail is taught to cut off first line17:57
alteregoI feel so relaxed when I'm coding.17:58
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, that's coreutils lol17:58
* MohammadAG curses the flex ribbon thingy17:58
DocScrutinizerif messytail is too braindead to do this, I could edit the sed cmd for you so it starts to output after the regex line17:58
alteregoI'm in one of those, this is fun modes/moods17:58
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: MEH, WFM... tested17:59
ShadowJK-n 2 isn't it17:59
DocScrutinizer+n 2 if anything17:59
DocScrutinizeror maybe -n +2?17:59
ShadowJKwhat's +2 supposed to do with tail?18:00
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DocScrutinizer       -n, --lines=N18:00
DocScrutinizer              output the last N lines, instead of the last 10; or use +N to output lines starting with the Nth18:00
DocScrutinizerso try --lines=+218:00
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DocScrutinizerbusybox tail -n +118:04
DocScrutinizerbusybox tail -n +2 actually18:04
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DocScrutinizerjr@halley:~/Documents/OpenMoko> echo $last18:06
DocScrutinizerjr@halley:~/Documents/OpenMoko> dmesg|sed -n "/$last/,$ p"|tail  -n +218:06
krzysz00i have a n800 i just upgraded to diablo. about 3/4 of the way into boot, the blue square blinks 3 times, and the machine reboots. any suggestions?18:06
ShadowJKthat's like as if power button was pressed18:07
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ShadowJKiirc it blinks during shutdown18:07
DocScrutinizercharge batery then?18:07
ShadowJKOh yeah, that too18:07
krzysz00i just need to charge the batery?18:07
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ShadowJKWell it's a start18:08
ShadowJKto make sure it's not empty18:08
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krzysz00its stuck in a loop, it tries to boot, almost finishes, then blinks 3 times, turns off, and turns on again18:11
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gruinelliCan somebody help me with uploading a binary file to autobuilder? I have a precomiled python module (.so), but the autobuilder does not accept it18:17
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MohammadAGwhy is it precompiled?18:19
gruinellibecause I generated it with shedskin to improve the speed of my python app18:20
gruinelliif autobuilder could do that himself, that would be great, but as I understand shedskin is not installed on the build server18:20
krzysz00anyway how can i install emacs directly to the memory card instread of the internal memory?18:20
krzysz00as dpkg --instdir=/media/mmc1/emacs fails18:21
gruinelliI installed shedskin on my phone and compiled the python code into a c module. It gives a 18x speed improvement of that code part18:21
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krzysz00same for symlinking /usr/share/emacs to /media/mmc1/emacs as they both fail with premission errors18:22
MohammadAGgruinelli, then upload shedskin to the repos, and use it in the build process18:22
MohammadAGor in the postinst18:22
gruinellihu, thats possible?18:23
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MohammadAGhow did you install shedskin?18:23
gruinelliI installed gcc on my phone and compile dit there18:23
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MohammadAGwhy not use scratchbox?18:24
gruinelliI know its not the right way, but I could not get it to work on scratchbox as it always complained python is in version 2.3 and thats too old18:24
MohammadAGcan you try something?18:24
MohammadAG(I never had success with scratchbox running python apps FYI)18:25
MohammadAGcompile it in scratchbox, then install the resulting binaries on the N90018:25
MohammadAGif that works, upload a source package to the autobuilder, so apps can use it18:25
gruinellicant to it right now, as i removed scratchbox again (3GB is just too much)18:25
gruinelliI wanted to use the vmware image, but it seems not to be available anymore :(18:26
MohammadAGcan you up the source you used?18:26
gruinelliof shedskin? sure18:27
gruinelliI got it from here:
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gruinellibut I will need a .changes and .dsc file, or not?18:28
gruinelliwell, I could write them myself, as they are only text files18:29
gruinelliso when I upload a package, will it then also get installed on the autobuilder?18:29
MohammadAGgruinelli, no, but you can add it in Builds Depends: and the builder will fetch it18:30
MohammadAGNooBmonk3y, style sheets don't work properly18:31
NooBmonk3ylol they never do18:32
NooBmonk3ybut as i said, those pics aren't about the look18:32
NooBmonk3ybut more about the ... it's getting there!18:32
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alteregoI think for v2 I might have to remove all dependencies on Maemo5 UX (basically application menu)18:33
krzysz00how can i install emacs directly to the memory card instread of the internal memory as dpkg --instdir=/media/mmc1/emacs fails>18:33
krzysz00same for symlinking /usr/share/emacs to /media/mmc1/emacs as they18:33
krzysz00   both fail with premission errors18:33
alteregoSo I can maintain portability, I do love Maemo5ValueButtons though :(18:33
MohammadAGI think alterego's sliding widgets code would be nice in HealthCheck :)18:33
NooBmonk3ysliding widgets?18:34
MohammadAGalterego, ahem *cough*, #ifdef!!18:34
* NooBmonk3y slaps MohammadAG 18:34
alteregoThere's enough of that already.18:34
MohammadAGI know, I said that to annoy you :P18:34
MohammadAGNooBmonk3y, PSFreedom's help window uses it :)18:34
NooBmonk3ythat would involve opening more windows on my already struggling pc18:35
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MohammadAGbasically, you get rid of the arrows18:35
MohammadAGand you swipe between the views instead18:35
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NooBmonk3yoh yeah he sent me code that i couldnt get working ;)18:35
alteregoLoser :P18:36
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alteregoI remember this though, it's when I got confused because I thought MohammadAG was asking me questions about it but it was actually NooBmonk3y ..18:36
* NooBmonk3y grins18:36
MohammadAGalterego, oh, lol18:37
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MohammadAGhmm, I've been having problems with pulseaudio, it doesn't run at startup18:53
MohammadAGhey Jay_BEE18:53
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n900-spaceOla room18:59
NooBmonk3yi really should use alterego's swiping technique18:59
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alteregoNooBmonk3y: I promise I'll help better this time ;)18:59
Jay_BEEhi MohammadAG18:59
NooBmonk3yi'm assuming it shouldnt be that difficult, but then i'm no c++ expert :P19:00
* Jay_BEE asks hisself does he really want to enable extras-devel to get preenv19:00
alteregoNo, really shouldn't be that hard at all ;)19:00
NooBmonk3ythe prob i've got, is do i need to pull everything out of the stackable windows etc that i have?19:01
alteregoAll you need to do is create an instance of either HDraggableViewArea or VDraggableViewArea then call addWidget to add each "view" and you're done.19:01
NooBmonk3yhmm each view?19:01
MohammadAGit has vertical scrolling too?19:01
NooBmonk3yMohammadAG,  it can drag up and down as well as left and right19:01
alteregoEither or19:02
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NooBmonk3yhmmm got the code somewhere?19:02
NooBmonk3ywill try putting it back in again19:02
MohammadAGPSFreedom's source would be one :P19:02
MohammadAGcuteTube is awesome!19:03
NooBmonk3ymeh no idea where that is either lol19:03
MohammadAGnow if only it wasn't in Python xP19:03
Jay_BEEdoes cuteTube convert to other formatz like mp3?19:03
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MohammadAGdoubt it, but you can use mencoder19:03
MohammadAG NooBmonk3y19:04
MohammadAGI should add a copyright Tom S. to it19:05
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alteregoWhy bother? I didn't :P19:06
DocScrutinizerWTF is "formatz"?19:07
MohammadAGcause it's not my code, yet it's in my app :P19:07
NooBmonk3ymeh MohammadAG  your code is a nightmare for my simple brain to understand19:07
NooBmonk3yalterego, what i dont get is the view part......19:07
MohammadAGno, it's inception19:07
NooBmonk3yi already have pages setup in the stackedwidget :|19:07
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alteregoNooBmonk3y: think of the "view" as the "page" ..19:08
alteregoJust add your pages to my draggableviewarea widget19:08
NooBmonk3yso do i need to manually create all widgets etc onto a view?19:08
NooBmonk3yor can i use the already created widgets on each stackablewidget page?19:08
alteregoCan I see your code?19:09
alteregoMake it easier for me to understand what you're doing and how to help you ;)19:09
NooBmonk3ycan tar it up :)19:09
MohammadAGNooBmonk3y, learn to use git while you're at it, pretty much takes the same amount of time :P19:09
alteregoCool, do that and stick it somewhere for me to download.19:09
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NooBmonk3yMohammadAG, no issue with git, but i didnt create one at the start of the project, qt wont let me upload now19:10
DocScrutinizerthe wonders of OO :-P19:10
NooBmonk3yand not using terminal commands, got enuogh to remember19:10
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, can you shut this guy up?
MohammadAG(P.S, he's Matan)19:10
DocScrutinizerhow should I do that?19:10
MohammadAGdid you read it?19:11
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* MohammadAG pokes frals, you lurking trout19:13
* frals slaps MohammadAG around a bit with a large trout19:13
DocScrutinizermatan is an idiot when it comes to OC. So what?19:13
* NooBmonk3y slaps MohammadAG around a bit with frals19:13
MohammadAGlately, he's been an idiot when it comes to *19:13
JaffaMohammadAG: Oh, Matan's getting even more trollish over time. "550 and 600MHz, but not overclocking"?!19:13
DocScrutinizerJaffa: exactly19:14
NooBmonk3yalterego, i apologise, the code is a mess!19:14
* RST38h notices how more and more previously sane tmo users go bonkers monthly19:14
alteregoNooBmonk3y: most code is ;)19:14
RST38hThe Tentacled One is having a feast on tmo...19:14
* MohammadAG wonders what vista's code's like19:14
MohammadAGJaffa, indeed, and it seems users believe him19:15
* RST38h is now ready to install lighthttpd and php19:15
RST38hAnd try the Ovi Suite replacement =)19:15
DocScrutinizerRST38h: contagious19:15
* MohammadAG wonders why NooBmonk3y's source is soooo huge19:16
* frals slaps NooBmonk3y around a bit with a large trout19:16
MohammadAGbinaries lol19:16
RST38hDoc: Rather, caused by Nokia's negligence and lack of consistency treating users19:16
RST38hand developers too19:16
NooBmonk3yMohammadAG,  many many images that i haven't tidied up19:16
RST38hAlways drives people crazy way more effectively than just ignoring them19:16
MohammadAGmany many sources that aren't clean :P19:16
DocScrutinizerRST38h: sure19:17
MohammadAGremove debian/healthcheck and .o files next time :P19:17
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alteregoAh, I see why you found it confusing ;)19:17
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DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: wonders of OO19:18
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: defining an opject class is meant to get reused. Not to do it again for every new instance :-P19:19
NooBmonk3yalterego, there's alot going on in that gui ;)19:19
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: (I'm saying this without having a single look at that particular source)19:19
alteregoYes, that's quite horrible :P19:19
alteregoI'm trying to think of the easiest way for you to do it.19:19
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ik_5today I turned on my n900, and it stopped accepting the power cord connetion (only the usb to micro usb accepted), and the screen does not properly refresh, and the earphones makes a lot of noise, what should i look for in the phone to understand the problem ?19:20
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DocScrutinizerik_5: try overclocking it!19:22
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DocScrutinizer(just kidding / sarcasm)19:22
alteregoNooBmonk3y: this might take a while, I'll look into it a bit later ;)19:22
NooBmonk3ylol not a problem at all19:22
NooBmonk3yi've got to head out anyway19:22
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ShadowJKik_5, sounds properly broken to me19:24
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DocScrutinizerik_5: maybe you better tell what *does* work. Also which firmware/kernel etc you used and what you did last19:25
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DocScrutinizerShadowJK: broken or fried19:25
ik_5DocScrutinizer, wifi, dialing and resciving calls. kernel: 2.6.28-omap119:26
ik_5i think it started after I tried a 3g sim to connect to the net, and when I returned my normal 2g sim it started19:27
ik_5after I placed back the 2g sim, and reacived a call i had a kernel panic, and restarted the phone, but that was on friday ....19:28
DocScrutinizerno hotspot app, no powerkernel?19:28
ik_5no powerkernel or hotspot19:28
DocScrutinizertry reflashing19:28
DocScrutinizerodds are it won't help and you got a hw defect19:29
ik_5I'll look for a guide in the wiki (never done it before)19:29
DocScrutinizerbut it's all you can do anyway19:29
ShadowJKI'd be careful about reflahing if usb is acting up19:29
DocScrutinizergood point19:30
DocScrutinizerbut when even refresh of display is acting up... :-/19:30
DocScrutinizerand earpiece audio19:30
DocScrutinizerik_5: you *could* try a new battery19:31
DocScrutinizera battery going mad can cause *all* kinds of weird effects19:32
kerioi have a fake battery that regularly makes cellmo reset19:33
ik_5the display sometimes does not clean the effects so i see the strips over text etc.. but not all of the time, and after reboot (i hate doing reboot to linux machine) it acts ok until next time19:33
keriothe rest of the system is fine19:33
kerioso i just use it to keep the RTC active while i charge the other battery19:33
ik_5kerio, how do you charge the battery outside the phone ?19:34
kerioa charger19:34
keriobought because i cba to send my n900 to the assistance19:34
kerio(borked usb)19:34
RST38hThis sounds like a powervr problem19:34
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sjkalterego, what .profile hack are you using for ssh-agent? I have found several by googling, but most seem to have downsides19:40
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DocScrutinizermight also be a completely runaway system (forkbomb or sth like that)19:41
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ArkenoiDocScrutinizer, the thing i dislike most in anti-maemo/meego whinings and rants is common android adoration. maybe maemo/meego is not doing as well as expected, but android is definitely not the thing i'd like to see on my next device.19:42
ik_5Arkenoi, same with me19:43
DocScrutinizerArkenoi: mhm. So why is that addressed to me and why now19:43
ArkenoiDocScrutinizer, you provided the link :-)19:43
DocScrutinizerwhich link?19:43
DocScrutinizermeh, how's that related to whining, or adridiot?19:44
ik_5is there a 64 bit flasher for linux ?19:46
Arkenoiand speaking on "difficult tools" used for development, i think it's better to "other" platform zealots to shut up, as actually maemo is the only real "desktop-like" mobile platform that does *not* involve programming in obscure languages, sdks, whatever19:46
infobotArkenoi meant: and speaking on "difficult tools" used for development, i think it's better to "other" platform zealots to shut up, as actually maemo is the only real "desktop-like" mobile platform that does *not* involve programming in obscure languages, apis, whatever19:47
RST38hArkenoi: I do not think there are any people here who advocate using other platforms :)19:48
RST38hSo, you are preaching to the choir19:48
RST38hHaving said that, I would rather see Meego become Maemo than Moblin. Right now, it is mostly Moblin.19:48
DocScrutinizerArkenoi: the article is a generic lineup of how corporate attitude is ruining communities. And just on a few boxes it tries to resume the state of meego as of several months ago, without even giving a judgement about the listed facts19:49
MohammadAGik_5, install the 32 bit one, force architecture19:49
MohammadAGyou might need ia32-libs19:49
MohammadAG(or whatever they're called)19:49
ik_5MohammadAG, actually I'm trying (without success to download the tar.gz, I do not use debian based linux)19:50
MohammadAGwithout success?19:50
DocScrutinizerik_5: or - even better - use a linux live CD. Windows is known to introduce further problems to the ones you already got, esp when trying to use 64bit19:51
ik_5DocScrutinizer, I don't have windows, can't work with that thing19:52
DocScrutinizeraah, oh sorry19:52
ik_5ok now it downloaded it properly ( the tar file)19:53
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DocScrutinizerik_5: fist of all check if you can enter flash mode on N900, by holding 'u' while you plug in wallcharger/host-PC19:54
DocScrutinizerif not even that works, you can largely stop all further effort19:55
DocScrutinizerexcept getting new battery19:55
ik_5i see a big nokia white screen with a usb image on the top right19:56
DocScrutinizerik_5: (of course your N900 has to be *off* when you plug in)19:56
DocScrutinizervery good19:56
ik_5and flasher seems to work (after I installed all of it's dependencies)19:57
DocScrutinizerik_5: I suggest you first try a fiasco / COMBINED flash only, and see if it helps. If it doesn't, then do a full eMMC/VANILLA 1st plus rootfs/fiasco/COMBINED 2nd flash19:59
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DocScrutinizerik_5: general most safe procedure: remove battery, start flasher (without -R), plug in N900, insert battery, wait flashing to finish, remove battery. This applies for both COMBINED and VANILLA flashing20:02
DocScrutinizer(holding 'u' during inserting battery won't hurt)20:03
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ik_5what is the difference between each version of the latest (i mean global, usa, middle east) etc ?20:06
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humehi...I'm trying to use my N900 to connect to MSN, but does not succeed. I use the built in conversations utility, and configure it to connect to my MSN account, but it just doesn't connect. Anone got idas on what to do?20:06
DocScrutinizerik_5: mostly unknown. Global seems fine for everybody20:07
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MohammadAGlocales I think20:08
MohammadAGor emergency numbers20:08
MohammadAGflash global20:08
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BCMMhume: what sort net connection are you on?20:09
humetried both my 3G and LAN20:09
BCMMhmm, so not on something weird that was only letting http through then20:09
BCMMmaybe it's actually down? can you ping the msn servers?20:09
ik_5damm it will take forever to download it (4 hours in 12k speed)20:10
humeI can connect through my computer20:10
humewhen I try using pidgin instead, I get something about certificate being too old20:11
humebut again, no problem using the computer20:11
humeBCMM: any ideas on what to check?20:12
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BCMMwell, i'd still try pinging the server from the n90020:13
BCMMbut tbh i doubt that's relevant20:13
BCMMdoes any non-ms client work for you?20:13
BCMMthey tend to change their protocols and such20:13
humelike which?20:13
humei only use msn, no other IM20:14
BCMMit's possible that all the servers that support older/reverse-engineered clients are down today20:14
BCMMwell, like pidgin...20:14
humeok...gonna try pidgin again20:14
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BCMMhume: - seems it's affecting all pidgin users - maybe they just changed their certs and broke stuff for everyone using an unofficial client?20:17
BCMMi'm speculating wildly; i have no clue how their protocol works20:17
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ik_5BCMM, I just read on twitter from someone that also have issues with pidgin and the certs of msn20:18
humeik_5: got a link to it?20:18
BCMMthere's nothing in the /topic on kopete, so maybe it isn't a general issue20:19
ik_5a sec20:19
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BCMMi'm afraid i can't really check because i've forgotten my MSN password years ago20:20
BCMMthat, or they expire20:20
humeah...seems pidgin COULD connect now, I changed the default setting, and choose that it should connect over http instead20:21
humeik_5: thx20:23
humeBCMM: thx for helping..:) just talking seems to fix a lot20:23
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BCMMhah, microsoft REALLY doesn't want me to use their messenger service20:28
BCMMthe password reset has completely impossible captchas20:28
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ArkenoiBCMM: ha, pidgin just says SSL certificate is invalid, goodbye MS20:28
ChoomI use the account-plugin pecan-based MSN client from extras-devel20:29
gruinelliMohammadAG: I now installed scratchbox, and I also can run python programms, but as said, for some reasons, its only python 2.3 instead 2.520:30
Choomit's never failed on me and integrates nicely with maemo's conversations20:30
BCMMthey all use one real word, and one i don't recognise20:30
BCMMi think they must be made-up words20:30
gruinelliand because of that I can not install shedskin successfully20:30
MohammadAGgruinelli, compile in scratchbox, install on N90020:30
gruinellihmm, the problem is, the shedskin package is not an usuall sourc package, you cant run .configure; make20:32
gruinelliyou only have to run python install20:32
MohammadAGthen that's not actually compilation20:32
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gruinelliI know20:33
MohammadAGrun python bdist_dumb20:33
MohammadAGthen make a debian package with proper sources, upload that to devel and depend on it for the build20:33
pupnik19:33 < Consigliar> jianfei bc life, no matter how ill-prepared, is still precious.20:35
pupnik19:34 < pupnik> Consigliar: i send it back to the chef20:35
gruinelliMohammadAG: that gives me a file dist/shedskin-0.6.linux-i486.tar.gz, but how do I procced with that?20:39
gruinelliI before did the helo example from, but do not understand how to addapt it now20:40
hurbuif i run FM Radio Player from app list20:40
hurbudont work20:41
hurbuif i run phyton FMRadio.py20:41
hurbuwork great20:41
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lardmanAnyone got any suggestions for alternatives to an O2 Joggler?20:46
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lardmanin the house that is20:49
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lardmanin fact what are devices like the Chumby and Joggler even called, so I can do some Google searching?20:52
jacekowskiinteractive photo frame20:53
lardmanit's a start20:53
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jacekowskijoggler looks like a photo frame20:54
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jacekowskichumby not really20:54
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JaffaAnyone got any good links (especially from tmo) to share this week?21:13
JaffaIt's remarkably bare in this week's MWKN21:13
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fralsfmms 1.3.0 has live filter in main view!21:14
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fralsand a link to go with it!/frals/status/6098606620676097 ;)21:15
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gruinelliMohammadAG: also has already a .deb file which is architecture independant (as there is nothing to compile) would it be possible to upload that one somehow? I am struggling with generating the needed file as described in
gruinellithe generated tar.gz file always miss the needed files21:22
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Jaffagruinelli: Generated by what?21:24
gruinelliits a deb file which included all the needed python files for shedskin21:25
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Jaffagruinelli: The deb must have been generated by something; at the point there's a dir with a 'debian/' directory run dpkg-buildpackage -s21:25
gruinelliMohamedAg told me i have to uploade the source code, so I can use shedskin on the autobuilder21:25
gruinellithe deb file contains the usual control.tar.gz and data.tar.gz, but I can not find a debian/ folder21:28
gruinelliIf I douwnload the source as tar.gz, the manual sais, i have to install it with "python install"21:29
gruinelliso I understand I have to make a valid package with makes the same on the server21:29
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MohammadAGgruinelli, generate your own debian/ folder21:32
MohammadAGor better, write it21:32
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MohammadAGgruinelli, follow this
gruinellioh, thank you. That looks lie a very usefull page. Sadly the other wiki pages do not refer to it, so i never found it.21:34
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alteregoTime to test my bluetooth code a bit more :D21:35
krzysz00can i when installing, say emacs, symlink /usr/share/emacs to /media/mmc1/emacs/ before installation. I tried before, but there were premission errors.21:35
Jaffagruinelli: Feel free to move the content to somewhere better. MohammadAG doesn't want to be hoarding useful content under his User:... page21:35
Jaffagruinelli: Does the source tarball for shedskin not contain a debian/ folder?21:35
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Jay_BEE[09:07]<DocScrutinizer>WTF is "formatz"?  <---- lol... I missed this from earlier... just my silly way of saying 'formats' :)21:39
fralsNooBmonk3y: ;)21:40
NooBmonk3yty frals was just figuring out how too :P21:40
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NooBmonk3yhas only started doing it today, which is random21:41
MohammadAGNooBmonk3y, how do you find the users in #qt :P21:41
NooBmonk3yerm, generalising? lol - most are fine, but ubergeekish, so i normally stay clear21:41
* MohammadAG hints at auto away message21:41
NooBmonk3yit's like a room of doc's on a bad day ;)21:42
NooBmonk3yi'm trying, i'm trying!21:42
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MohammadAGwasn't there a parameter to disable styling in Qt?21:43
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NooBmonk3yyay away message is off :)21:44
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gruinelliMohammaAG: I am now going through your example. But there is another "issue": arround 2 hours ago I made my own .changes and .dsc file and uploaded it. How it is still in the builder queue. Is there a way to quit it?21:45
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MohammadAGwithout asking an admin, no21:49
MohammadAGX-Fade, would be one21:49
MohammadAGand how did you make the files?21:49
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gruinelliI wrote them manually, addapting one of my other projects.21:50
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MohammadAGyou shouldn't do that...21:50
gruinelliSo will it time out sometimes or what should i do? :(21:50
gruinelliwell, i expected it just would quit with an error, like on my PC21:51
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pupnikhow laggy has been your best 3g upstream video?21:54
pupnikwhy do our bots still suck so  much21:54
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Proteouswe have to keep them dumb so they don't take over21:57
Proteousdon't they teach you about skynet in school?21:58
gruinelliMohammaAG: on your packaging page, you have the line "Sample install file: ", but you never explain if it is a real file, how it is caled and where it should be22:01
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Jaffagruinelli: It's created automatically when you get to Extras22:04
gruinelliah, ok22:05
gruinellinow, as i do not have to compile anything, do i just have to add one line to the rules file in the install part:  "python install" ?22:05
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gruinelliId did that, then I run "dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -sa -S", but it gives me an error at line 56, where it sais: dh_install22:06
gruinelliThis seems already to be a problem in your example file22:07
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MohammadAGJaffa, no, I think he means debian/install22:13
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MohammadAGgruinelli, a debian/install file is only needed when make install does not install all files where you want it to, it's called by dh_install22:14
MohammadAGgruinelli, and I did, And finally, the parts needed to install the file, e.g $(MAKE) DESTDIR=$(CURDIR)/debian/package_name install. If your make file does not handle file installations, you can use an install file in debian/ and keep dh_install in the rules file, as per below.22:14
gruinelliah, ok. And am i right and can just comment aout the line 56 with dh_install? It makes an error, see above22:14
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ik_5just finished my flashing, lets hope things went well :)22:17
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ik_5the charger still not working, only the usb to computer works :(22:26
pupnik <---  )) awesome (( acrobatic bikeriding set to music.22:27
gruinelliik_5: I had the same issue with all chargers I could get hand on. Then I found the tip in the internet to put a resistor between the 2 data lines on the usb cable, now it works22:28
pupnikbtw - that video is a must-download.22:30
ik_5gruinelli, what kind of resistor it depands on the Um vs current22:31
gruinellihave a look here:
Choomnever had issues with any chargers whatsoever, my phone works just as well from USB as it does from the outlet charger and the adapter for old chargers (N95 and E71 chargers tested on the adapter so far)22:32
gruinelliI tested 3 chargers, none of them worked22:32
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ik_5for me it's just started to stop reacting to the charger, it used to work properly, i can't figure out why22:34
gruinelliI used a charger for months, and then it started to fail, i guess it just got overloaded, as it only can supply 500mA22:35
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gruinelliMohammadAG: I uploaded the package, but it fails for the same reason as on my scratchbox. Somehow it has problems with the supplied file22:37
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gruinelliI already posted it in the forum, but without help:
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gruinelliAs I understand the problem is python2.3. I saw that it should work on newer python versions22:39
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DocScrutinizer51it's supposed to be widespread knowledge by now that fastcharger need a ahort from D+ to D-, according to official USB charger spec supplement22:47
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MohammadAGthe X10's charger doesn't have them shorted22:48
DocScrutinizer51well, USB charger spec is a weird piece of cruft. There are actually several concurrent valid signaling methods22:50
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DocScrutinizer51resistors are involved by signaling via ID pin. See e.g. FreeRunner22:51
DocScrutinizer51this version also used for externally powered hostmode with a special Y-cable22:52
DocScrutinizer51which actually seems to be a parallel development of USB cert and me22:52
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gruinelliWhich python version does the autobuilder have? If I just use the command python, then it uses 2.3, which is too old. And when I use python2.5, it doesn not know it, but it works in scratchbox22:53
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MohammadAGuse "python"22:55
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gruinellithe autobuilder gives me this error: "error: could not create '/scratchbox/tools/lib/python2.3/site-packages/shedskin': Permission denied" :(23:00
gruinelliwhy does it use python 2.3, it will not work with it23:00
piggzlo, can a theme cause an n900 to randomly reboot?  if not, what would...mines been doing it for the last few days...this afternoon i decided to re-flash pr.13, and not install anything from extras-devel/extras-testing to make sure it wasnt that23:00
gruinellii had the same error on my pc, but fixed it with a chmod as root23:00
DocScrutinizer51what has a package build to create any file in that location anyway?23:03
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gruinelliit is a compiler which makes c code out of python code.23:04
gruinelliaccording to teh python doc, this is the folder where it should go!23:05
DocScrutinizer51which makes WHAT?23:05
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gruinelliit can be used to improve the speed of slow  python code23:05
gruinellion my application I could improve the speed by 18x23:05
gruinelliit makes a module which you then can import into python code23:06
DocScrutinizer51sounds thoroughly messed up a concept23:06
gruinelliits much easier than writing the whole program in c23:06
gruinelliand it works23:07
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DocScrutinizer51yeah works.23:07
gruinelliwhats your problem with it?23:07
DocScrutinizer51If you have to ask that...23:08
gruinelliif you want to do the effort to write the module yourself in c, its much more work23:08
gruinellithis way you can focus on your python app und just esport some cpu intensive functions.23:08
gruinellipython itself works this ways, most built in functions are actually writen in c23:08
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DocScrutinizer51yeah. I suggest python does kernel patching as well23:09
gruinelliit works great on my phone, but scratchbox + autobuilde rcan not install it :(23:09
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DocScrutinizer51no wonder23:09
gruinellihä? what has that to do with the kernel?23:10
gruinellinobody would write a kernel module in python, tzz23:10
DocScrutinizer51luckily meamo isn't THAT fucked up with respect to sane permisions23:10
ik_5actually there are kernel modules in perl and python as PoC23:10
gruinellialright, if you can show me how to write a module c and compile and package it, i am willing to do it23:11
gruinellibut there seems not to be much good documentation about it23:11
sjkhm. would it be silly to install gcc on the phone? I dont have a linux computer to use for development23:11
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gruinelliI installed it, and it works, just be aware that your ootfs will get full :)23:12
ik_5sjk, virtualbox can help you :)23:12
gruinelliand dont forget to make a backup before or reflash it again23:12
MohammadAGor make a chroot and install the full SDK23:12
MohammadAGwould be nice if X-Fade could allow me to host an image on tablets-dev23:12
sjkvirtualbox eh?23:12
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ik_5sjk, install debian (or ubuntu if you must) in virtualbox and you have development environmnt based on linux :)23:13
sjkIs that like vmware?23:13
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ik_5yes, although it's Oracle's (after they bought sun) it still should be used in desktop virtualization..23:14
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gruinelliMohammadAG: do you have any tip how I could get shedskin built? Or do I really have to quit and dig hot to build a module in pure c? That would have the disadventage that I have to maintain 2 projects23:15
sjkah, i see23:15
sjki'll check it out :)23:15
MohammadAGgruinelli, where does it error out?23:15
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gruinellierror: could not create '/scratchbox/tools/lib/python2.3/site-packages/shedskin': Permission denied23:15
gruinellii had the same error on my scratchbox, but thought it is just an error from the installer23:16
gruinelliso i fixed it as root with chmod23:16
MohammadAGuse bdist_dumb23:16
MohammadAGand go from there23:16
gruinelliwhere and how do I use that?23:16
MohammadAGunpack the tar into src/23:16
MohammadAGmake a debian dir23:16
gruinelliI have that23:17
MohammadAGcp the folders into their right places23:17
MohammadAGi.e in debian/rules, in install:23:17
MohammadAGdo cp -r src/* debian/shedskin/23:17
ik_5DocScrutinizer51, btw thank you a lot for your help23:17
sjkoh, by the way, is there a way to rank what internet connection to use? As it is now Maemo tries to access the internet through the "MMS" connection23:18
gruinelliwhat will that help?23:18
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gruinellican i not already do that in the tar file? why does the installer have to do that?23:19
HRH_H_Crabthere is a LOT to love about the N900 and Maemo.23:21
HRH_H_Crabthe media player is not one of those things.23:21
lardman|homesjk: that connection should not be visible in the list now23:22
alteregoIf any of you are thinking of writing a bluetooth service and advertise on SDP, don't.23:22
* alterego starts rocking backwards and forwards.23:22
alteregoservice discovery protocol23:23
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alteregoIt's used in bluetooth for devices to know what other devices can do.23:23
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alterego100 lines23:24
alteregoI suppose that's not too bad really .23:24
alteregoBit of tweaking is needed, but it works:
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MohammadAGBluetooth social networking23:24
NooBmonk3yMohammadAG, alterego  YAY! i got swipe working (Ok, not alterego's cool one) but i can swipe to swap stackable windows now :023:24
alteregoNooBmonk3y: oh you're using gestures?23:24
gruinelliMohammadAG: what does it help when the install script copies the files into the debian folder? and what does it have to do with bdist_dumb?23:25
NooBmonk3ygestures dont work on maemo23:25
alteregoSome of them are supposed to ..23:25
NooBmonk3ybut i used this - with alot of extra thinking lol -
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NooBmonk3yalterego, did try them all23:25
NooBmonk3ynone worked, but this guys code worked after an hour of tinkering :)23:25
alteregoOh, heh23:26
NooBmonk3yTime to get rid of my menu and buttons, wohoooooooooO!23:26
MohammadAGgruinelli, copying to debian/sourcepackagenamehere/ means it'll get packed into the deb23:26
MohammadAGNooBmonk3y, use hide()23:26
alteregobluetooth-servier :: ServiceAcceptor: onConnect()23:26
alteregoIt's freakin' working man :D23:26
alteregoOh look, a typo!23:27
* MohammadAG marries it23:27
alteregoWell, this afternoon wasn't a complete waste ^.^23:27
MohammadAGalterego, how do daemons work? :323:27
MohammadAGC++ ones23:27
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gruinelliBut that will not sovle the problem with the missing permission!23:28
alteregoSame as any other daemon23:28
alteregoYou write a program, and get upstart to run it in the background on startup23:28
alterego(If only it was really that simple though ;)23:28
ik_5thank you all for your help, I'll finish my day gn23:28
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crashanddieMohammadAG: it's just a normal C++ binary23:29
crashanddieMohammadAG: the only difference is how it is started23:29
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MohammadAGyes, I mean how does it not rape the CPU/mem23:30
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alteregoMohammadAG: well, most programs don't, as long as they're idle.23:31
alteregoSay you write a daemon using Qt.23:32
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alteregoYou initiate the event loop by calling QApplication::exec().23:32
alteregoMost of the time, if the application is doing something, like waiting for input from a file, or waiting for a client to connect to some socket, it's doing nothing.23:32
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alteregoAnd the Qt event loop (I believe) is like a reactor, it blocks waitinf for events to occur to trigger your application logic, so it's basically waiting for the kernel to signal it that something interesting has happened.23:33
alteregoNow, say you write a daemon, and you're implementing your own main loop or event loop, you just have to make sure you call sleep with a good enough period to not kill the CPU with your dumb code ;)23:34
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MohammadAGand how does it know which part it should repeat?23:34
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alteregoWhich part what should repeat?23:35
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alteregoDaemons are usually monitoring/waiting to react to events23:35
gruinelliMohammadAG: I am actually not sure why it makes sense to make a package of shedskin, as it never will be usefull on the phone without gcc. All I need is that the autobuilder has those files in the /scratchbox/tools/lib/python2.3/site-packages/ folder, so gcc can compile the module.23:35
alteregogruinelli: you need to create a -dev package really :P23:36
Arkenoibtw if n9 has capacitive touchscreen, using easydebian LXDE might be painful not to say almost impossible23:36
gruinellihmm, but that does not solve my problem23:36
MohammadAGit does23:37
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MohammadAGyou use shedskin on the builder, not the device23:37
gruinellilol, thats what I try to do wince 4h :(23:37
MohammadAGwould've packaged it in 5 mins, but I'm in bed23:38
gruinelliIf I understand you right, I have to create a package for shedskin, so it can be installed on the server23:38
crashanddieMohammadAG: a daemon's only purpose is to be quick and reactive, you basically put it to sleep for x seconds23:38
gruinellibut it will not run there, as the server uses python2.3, which is too old23:38
crashanddieMohammadAG: or if you're working with signals, you can put it to sleep indefinitely, and then just wake it up with a signal if something happens23:38
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MohammadAGhow do you know?23:38
MohammadAGthe autobuilder doesn't use scratchbox23:39
MohammadAGcrashanddie, hmm, I see23:39
MohammadAGbut suppose I execute the app23:39
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MohammadAGhow does it know which event it has to repeat?23:40
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MohammadAGnvm, I think I got it23:41
crashanddiethat's coding?23:41
gruinelliMohammadAG: I gte this error: "NameError: name 'set' is not defined" in scratchbox. And here is an explanation:
gruinelli> The "set" class was introduced in Python 2.4.23:41
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MohammadAGhow do you know the builder uses 2.3?23:42
crashanddiewhile (true) { if (signalQueue.received()) handleSignalQueue(); else sleep(2000); }23:42
gruinelliSee 4. last line here:
MohammadAGyou're doing it wrong23:43
gruinelliso my issues are: 1) it sues a too old python version, 2) there are missing access rights for 2 folders, one of them is /scratchbox/tools/lib/python2.3/site-packages23:43
MohammadAGsee noor's source23:43
MohammadAGit was originally a setup.py23:43
MohammadAGmake a source folder, under it make debian/ and src/23:44
MohammadAGrun bdist_dumb somewhere outside it, then extract the tar into src/23:44
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MohammadAGthen in debian/rules do cp -r src/* debian/shedskin/*23:44
MohammadAGthat's it23:45
gruinelliyou mean *python bdist_dumb"?23:45
MohammadAGrun it outside the source package23:45
MohammadAGsource dir, whatever23:45
* alterego now feels the wave of nirvana he gets when he's finished some crazy programming milestone23:45
alterego"bluetooth-server :: ServiceAcceptor: onConnect() - Remote endpoint connected:  00:1F:3A:D6:E4:2B"23:45
gruinellibut there will not be a setup.py23:45
MohammadAGwe don't need it23:46
MohammadAGoff to bed, school day tomorrow23:46
MohammadAGi'm sure others can help, if not, i'll package it tomorrow23:46
gruinellibut i get : python: can't open file ''23:47
gruinelliwell, i will see what I can figure out. Thank you very much for your help!23:47
MohammadAGthen remove it from debian/rules :)23:47
MohammadAGo/ everyone23:47
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alteregoHrm, that's kind of pointless, I setup my bluetooth server to handle multiple connections but it can only actually accept one.23:50
alteregoI thought bluetooth allowed multiple connects to the same service :/23:50
alteregoMeh, oh well.23:50
crashanddieIt allows simulatenous sessions23:51
crashanddieconnections really depends on the chipset23:51
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alteregoI'm debating whether I should do a HCI remote friendly name lookup23:51
alteregoTo replace the BDADDR with the bluetooth device name in my UI ;)23:52
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