IRC log of #maemo for Saturday, 2010-11-20

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jacekowskiDocScrutinizer: it's not bsi that bme is looking for before shuting down phone00:05
cehtehgrr power46 gives reboot loop fsck00:06
DocScrutinizeranybody knows how to earn a fortune?00:07
DocScrutinizeror debug cam apps :-P00:08
DocScrutinizer[2010-11-19 22:55:08] <dreamer> anyone know how to debug the camera-apps?00:08
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dreamerwell no idea if it's the apps or the camera, but both the default app as well as bless900 crash immediately00:09
alteregoHrm, mayhbe using a Qt model was a bad idea.00:09
alteregoProbaly the kernel00:10
alterego~probably ..00:10
alteregoFlash stock kernel00:10
RST38hOne lardman. Two lardmans.00:10
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crashanddieRST38h: you russian?00:24
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RST38hcrashanddie: no, I am oodmoortian00:26
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andaxo_O Root filesystem has 0kB available... :/00:46
tremnite all, sweet dreams00:46
andaxnite trem00:47
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DocScrutinizerdreamer: now that's a lil bit more like a question you can hope to receive an answer01:05
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DocScrutinizerdreamer: check if your kernel's cam drivers are compatible. I.E. fcam's drivers known to not work with PR1.3 kernel for quite some time, until updated. I'd bet BlessN900 is even worse01:07
dreamerDocScrutinizer: yeah well, not sure what to do -_-01:07
dreamerthe came worked fine with this kernel up until a week ago or something01:07
DocScrutinizerunistall BlessN900, then reinstall pr1.3 kernel&modules. that'S the abstract description of what to do01:07
dreamerk, I'll see what happens01:08
dreamerbut both bless900 and the regular app worked just fine01:08
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Turskihave you been messing with things?01:09
DocScrutinizerwell, then probably a bit stained01:09
dreamernot anything particularly :P01:09
dreamerbut I'll do what you said DocScrutinizer, didn't really use bless900 anyway01:09
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dreamerthe hdr isn't even full res ;)01:09
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pupniklardman_: definitely for you
pupnik[ Ar.Drone autonomous navigation using image recognition ]01:12
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lardman_pupnik: that does look cool :)01:17
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lardman_anyway night all01:18
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dreamerDocScrutinizer: how do I reinstall a kernel? (btw, using the enhanced kernel)01:18
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BCMMhas anyone worked around the prohibition on using fmtx with an  audio cable plugged in?01:21
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crashanddieI just convinced my mother, a musician who has her name on about 18 different CDs and a few DVDs, that the current copyright and royalty system is broken.01:21
BCMMi'm trying to transmit an externel audio source through the n90001:22
kerio>implying the labels aren't the only ones making money so the artists already know that01:22
test34crashanddie, now tell her to do something about it01:22
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crashanddietest34: don't think it's her fight01:22
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crashanddiekerio: that sentence didn't make sense to me01:23
test34crashanddie, it's everybody's fight;)01:23
jacekowskiBCMM: i did01:23
crashanddietest34: true, but she's a veteran, she's entitled to skip this one01:23
test34is maemo going to get replaced?01:24
crashanddiehasn't it already?01:24
WakiMikodoes anyone know what  the ._ file in the mydocs folder is good for?01:24
test34crashanddie, yeah I was just kidding..01:24
crashanddieWakiMiko: not unless you tell what's in it01:24
BCMMjacekowski: how?01:24
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WakiMikocrashanddie: its binary but i can see the string Mac OS X01:25
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crashanddieWakiMiko: file ._01:25
crashanddieWakiMiko: that's a command01:25
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WakiMikoapple double encoded macintosh file01:26
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test34thanks crashanddie .. meego I forgot01:26
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crashanddieWakiMiko: oh, it's an OSX file fork01:26
andaxcrashanddie: the RIAA lies, people prefered CDs after Vinyl because it has the advantage of digital data and even paid more for an album and now the RIAA complains exactly because of the same advantages01:26
BCMMalso, how do you find out what's plugged into the AV socket, and can you override the detection?01:27
crashanddieandax: way to troll and not be constructive. You're asserting a bunch of things without really providing value or context.01:27
WakiMikowhats it do?01:27
WakiMikocontain icons when pluggin on a mac?01:27
WakiMikoplugged in*01:27
andaxWhy did we pay more then? the production costs are even lower for CDs01:27
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crashanddieWakiMiko: not really, if I understand it correctly, it's used to allow a file to be accessed by multiple processes at the same time01:28
jacekowskiBCMM: dbus01:28
jacekowskiBCMM: and i don't know01:28
crashanddieWakiMiko: if you're not using the mac anymore, you should be free to delete it -- also ensure that you always properly eject the n900 before ripping out the usb cord01:28
WakiMikoim gonna get rid of it :=01:28
jacekowskiBCMM: probably yes01:28
jacekowskiBCMM: well, most likely yes01:28
WakiMikoalright, thanks01:28
jacekowskiBCMM: but i never looked into it01:29
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BCMMsee, i'm trying to plug the n900 into an electric guitar...01:29
BCMMand i'm not sure it will autodetect it properly01:29
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BCMMtalking of dbus, i'm a kde user and used to qdbus. is qdbus packed for maemo?01:30
jacekowskiBCMM: DocScrutinizer may know something about detection of what is plugged in01:31
BCMMjacekowski: is that a different fixed fmtx from the one i'm using already?01:32
DocScrutinizercrashanddie: I just had a lengthy query with gan about DRM and TC. I said you're not one of the proponents - I'm right?01:32
pupnikthere should be a gstreamer anti-shake video plugin01:32
jacekowskiBCMM: i'm not sure what you are using already01:32
BCMMi think MohammadAG gave me the link. it fixes boost, but still doesn't work with headphones01:32
BCMMjacekowski: i need to log better...01:33
DocScrutinizerBCMM: I don't see any 6.3mm receptacle on N900 :-D01:33
crashanddieDocScrutinizer: what part of "I managed to convince her the current copyright and royalty system is broken" puts you in doubt?01:33
DocScrutinizernone, actually01:33
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BCMMDocScrutinizer: ah! but i have slightly nice headphones!01:33
crashanddieI'm fairly opposed to making people pay for digital copies of things01:33
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jacekowskiBCMM: that's not done in fmtxd01:34
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BCMMand all sliightly nice headphones seem to come with  a needlessly gold-plated adaptor01:34
crashanddieheck, I'm working on getting my company to step selling our main product and rely on SAAS and PS revenue models01:34
jacekowskiBCMM: it's PA messing with things01:34
DocScrutinizerI just was wondering once more how stskeeps and other meego zealots can support security framework and ignore what it *really* will get us01:34
jacekowskiBCMM: gold plating is cheap01:34
BCMMjacekowski: what isn't? the power level thing?01:34
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BCMMjacekowski: i know :)01:35
jacekowskiBCMM: fmtxd ignores headphones01:35
BCMMalso, audiophiles don't01:35
jacekowskiBCMM: but pulseaudio still gets info01:35
jacekowskiBCMM: and starts sending signal to headphones instead of fmtxd01:35
BCMMmaplin typically charges the same for gold plated and steel versions of things01:36
BCMMjacekowski: i'm lost now.01:36
jacekowskibecause they overcharge01:36
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jacekowskiit is cheaper to use steel stuff01:36
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jacekowskibut it's like 50p on cable that costs £3-401:36
jacekowskiat most01:36
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BCMMjacekowski: they do a bit, but it demonstrates that it's a small expense01:37
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DocScrutinizermeego + security framework == andoid milestone minus java01:37
dreamerwhich security framework? selinux? ;)01:37
BCMMjacekowski: i got a bit confused back there. the thing i'm using is a modified ko, not a modified daemon01:37
jacekowskiBCMM: you need modified daemon01:38
DocScrutinizerdreamer: selinux would be awesome. No, TPM01:38
DocScrutinizeralias trusted computing01:38
DocScrutinizeraka the hoofed one01:38
BCMMah, i don't log irc, but i do have bash_history01:38
BCMMis what i have01:38
jacekowskithat's unlocked module01:38
jacekowskithat's power stuff01:38
BCMM<3 wget01:39
DocScrutinizerBCMM: is logging irc01:39
infoboti heard paste is or or
dreamerDocScrutinizer: what is that? some kind of drm stuff?01:39
DocScrutinizeralso infobot is logging irc01:39
jacekowskiBCMM: you need
dreamerDocScrutinizer: oh so btw, how do I reinstall the enhanced kernel? ;)01:39
dreamerDocScrutinizer: yeah found it01:39
MohammadAGTPM is so shit01:40
DocScrutinizerask jacekowski about how it's already in place inside OMAP SoC01:40
BCMMjacekowski: anyway, what i was getting at was, "will that work ok with the modified kernel module"01:40
gustavoferreiraxD i was testing infobot, sorry. btw, where can i find a full list of inbot "commands"?01:40
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BCMMand do i still need the modified kernel module?01:40
jacekowskiBCMM: no01:40
jacekowskiBCMM: but you can leave it01:40
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DocScrutinizerand now meego implements the sw framework to put it to full purpose, so your device is owned by Nokia/Ti even while you paid for it01:41
BCMMin future, i'll try not to come on irc when i'm sleepy and appear not to know the difference between a daemon and a kernel01:41
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dreamerDocScrutinizer: :(01:41
BCMMthing is, being fully awake makes plugging a guitar into an n900 seem less fun01:42
dreamerDocScrutinizer: I was hoping meego would be sweet, but I guess I'm stuck to maemo :P01:42
jacekowskiDocScrutinizer: i've read a doc stating that m-shield and all that stuff isn't real01:42
jacekowskiDocScrutinizer: it's all implemented in software01:42
jacekowskiDocScrutinizer: using just firewalls that omap supports01:42
DocScrutinizerdoes it really matter? fact is we can't replace xldr01:43
DocScrutinizerand now they're going to ramp it up01:44
jacekowskiwe can01:44
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jacekowskijust don't know how01:44
BCMMjacekowski: since i'm being stupid right now, i'll ask: that's suppose to replace /usr/sbin/fmtxd, right?01:44
jacekowskiBCMM: yes01:44
jacekowskiDocScrutinizer: but to go out of HS mode all you have to do is disconnect one pad from pcb01:45
DocScrutinizerjacekowski: wasn't that you who told me we can replace it but it won't boot, as we don't have the proper key to sign it01:45
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jacekowskibut there has to be weakness somewhere01:45
jacekowskithere always is01:45
DocScrutinizerand even IF we could replace it, we couldn't fake the 'TPM' into pretending the chain of trust is intact. So no secure mode on a system with your custom kernel, no Nokia media player running on such a system without intact secure mode... etc etc01:47
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jacekowskibut if it's disabled01:48
jacekowskiwe can emulate it01:48
SpeedEvilThere does not have to be an exploitable weakness.01:48
DocScrutinizerno updates from Nokia repositories for such a system. No purchase in OVI store. No phone calls01:48
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DocScrutinizerjacekowski: you can't as you don't have the built-in key01:49
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DocScrutinizerjacekowski: parts of Nokia media player code stored in a crypted format that can be decoded only by the TPM01:50
DocScrutinizeryou lose01:50
jacekowskiif it runs it can be cracked01:50
MohammadAGcrashanddie, played Never gonna say no(?) today01:50
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DocScrutinizerno, as you don't have the tools to crack it01:50
BCMMthanks jacekowski, works.01:50
DocScrutinizerthose tools don't work on a secure system01:51
crashanddieMohammadAG: hmm?01:51
MohammadAGcrashanddie, song by hushpuppies (on GH)01:51
BCMMDocScrutinizer: that sounds pretty ei01:51
jacekowskiDocScrutinizer: well, program has to be decrypted01:51
jacekowskiDocScrutinizer: and stored in memory01:51
SpeedEviljacekowski: If it runs, it can be cracked.01:51
crashanddieMohammadAG: you're gonna say yeah?01:51
BCMMpretty evil, are you talking about the n900?01:51
SpeedEviljacekowski: But it can in principle be locked in on-die RAM01:51
jacekowskiSpeedEvil: i just said thta01:51
MohammadAGcrashanddie, i swear i saw that as never in the title lol01:52
SpeedEviljacekowski: And cracking that is tricky.01:52
MohammadAGcrashanddie, and yes01:52
MohammadAGwas the guitarist01:52
crashanddieMohammadAG: heh, I thought it was only in the french version01:52
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DocScrutinizeryou can't crack anything on a Ipod nano01:52
SpeedEvilEven probing the RAM is fun on a POP01:52
crashanddieDocScrutinizer: you can crack the screen01:52
MohammadAGcrashanddie, smashing hits I think01:53
jacekowskiipod nano?01:53
DocScrutinizeras well you can't crack anything on a N900 with meego in secure mode, as secure mode means you can't run gdb, strace, anything01:53
DocScrutinizerjacekowski: ipod nano as a synonym for a system lacking all tools01:53
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SpeedEvilNo system lacks all tools.01:54
DocScrutinizera secure system does01:54
SpeedEvilElectron microscopes, disencapsulation, ... are tools too.01:54
DocScrutinizeryeah, haha01:55
BCMMDocScrutinizer: isn't that like saying you can't crack iOS?01:55
DocScrutinizernope, not really01:55
SpeedEvilAnd for example, one way to get the key for TPM is to parachute drop a company of mercenries on Nokia HQ.01:55
BCMMcan we donate to that effort somewhere?01:55
DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: actually obe of the more feasible ways, yes01:55
BCMMorder of the british empire01:56
jacekowskiwell, thing is that this key is stored only in one place01:56
jacekowskicomputer where xloader is signed01:57
jacekowskior server01:57
jacekowskior wherever01:57
DocScrutinizerI doubt they have zero backups01:57
jacekowskiso you have backu01:57
jacekowskibut backups are probably encrypted01:58
DocScrutinizergood one01:58
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DocScrutinizeryeah, you bet they should be01:58
BCMMy'know, the original is probably encrypted too01:58
jacekowskiso you have to get key from signing computer01:58
jacekowskiBCMM: nah01:59
jacekowskiti code signing toolkit can't sign with encrypted keys01:59
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DocScrutinizerwe'll have to bribe the sysop :-P02:00
BCMMso does the n900 have a tpm?02:00
DocScrutinizerBCMM: yes02:00
BCMMgah, didn't know that02:00
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pupnikwill some carriers insist on a TPM'd meego?02:00
DocScrutinizeryou bet they will02:01
jacekowskiBCMM: you don't know a lot of things02:01
pupniki hope a full price version will be free02:01
BCMMjacekowski: seems so02:01
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DocScrutinizerpupnik: there's no such thing like a free version02:01
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DocScrutinizera system is either in secure state or in open state02:01
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pupniki mean open02:01
BCMMas an intentional addition, or as part of omap?02:02
jacekowskiDocScrutinizer: it's more complicated than that02:02
DocScrutinizerin open state secured apps will refuse to run02:02
jacekowskiDocScrutinizer: it can run different applications02:02
jacekowskiDocScrutinizer: some in secure mode some in free mode02:02
jacekowskiDocScrutinizer: in "parallel"02:02
jacekowskiDocScrutinizer: and just pass information between zones02:02
jacekowskiDocScrutinizer: that's what trustzone is for02:02
DocScrutinizeryes, as long as the "free" apps have no perms to mess with the "secure" ones02:03
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DocScrutinizerin which trustzone will gdb run? :-P02:03
DocScrutinizeror any app that read from /proc/kmem?02:04
DocScrutinizeror ethereal?02:04
DocScrutinizeror or or02:04
DocScrutinizerjacekowski: It's actually even much more complex02:05
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DocScrutinizerbut doesn't change the basic proposition02:05
DocScrutinizerwhich is: nobody except (C)-owners loves a "secure" system02:06
DocScrutinizeras "security" in this context means the app is secured from you , not you and your apps are secured from the rogue world02:07
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DocScrutinizerthe concept goes like "the virus is gaining root and then does bad things, so we forbid anybody to gain root rights and no virus will do that"02:09
DocScrutinizerthat's a LAME concept02:09
ds3drivers are causing accidents and does bad things, so we forbid anybody to drive and no one will get hurt. ;)02:10
DocScrutinizerthe true purpose is they want to ban things like recording video streams from youtube, playback of DVDs without proper player app that has a valid official key, reverse engineering of any commercial software, whatever02:11
DocScrutinizerTPM and security framework are not for *your* security, they are for security of big business02:12
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ds3now apply the same reasoning to STDs ;)02:13
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tybolltDocScrutinizer: amen to that02:21
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Termanagood morning02:25
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SpeedEvil(on security)02:43
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pupnik  8-motor homebuilt copter with DSLR mount for sale02:53
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SpeedEvilnot really hard to do.03:02
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luke-jrsmackpotat: you mean #NITdroid?03:20
pupnik  very nice very nice new copter from china ~ 300 euro? 400?03:22
pupnik^ SpeedEvil03:22
SpeedEvilyes - I know - there is cool stuff to buy.03:23
SpeedEvilI will review the above if you send me 400 euro.03:23
pupnikthey are starting to not suck03:23
SpeedEvilAnd it annoys me that I've been unable to get my UAV setup.03:24
pupnikneed waypoint navi and i'm set03:24
pupnikyou got one eh03:24
pupniki've been waiting for a chinese factory to learn how to build a decent one03:24
SpeedEvilAble to fly to 4Km alt on a single charge, take a ten gigapixel pan, and land again in 10 min. And redo every 20 min03:25
pupnikhow many / what type of motors does it have?03:26
SpeedEvilone big one.03:26
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SpeedEvilIt's a thrust-vectored, climb-optimised helicopter.03:26
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pupnikdo you have a hacked camera that will take continuous pictures while you pan with servos?03:29
SpeedEvilWhen I hold the button down03:29
pupniki'd like to give people in hospitals first-person headset flights throught the woods and their home towns and stuff03:29
pupniki think that'd be a treat03:30
jogawow, cool03:30
* SpeedEvil sighs.03:30
* SpeedEvil is currently suffering from wanting to get on with doing something, while having no energy whatsoever.03:30
pupnikwell that's just what i was thinking while i was last in the hospital03:31
pupnikwith that horrid tv03:31
pupnikand no 3g reception03:31
ds3surely, some of the stuff that your nick hints at would help with that ;)03:31
pupnikSpeedEvil: what do you think of the X650 hardware?03:32
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jogaI think it would be nice to have a little fly-around while in hospital, it's usually pretty boring and probably helps with pain when you have something else to think about03:32
SpeedEvilpupnik: I have one.03:32
SpeedEvilpupnik: Well - sorta.03:32
SpeedEvilpupnik: Move the 5 over one letter, and turn it upside down.03:32
pupnikwould you say it's in the 'good value' category, and is it hackable?03:32
pupniki don't think i should try DIY03:32
pupniki like those thinkpads03:33
SpeedEvilshould presumably have some opinions.03:33
* SpeedEvil sighs.03:33
SpeedEvilIf I had a billion or two spare, somewhere moderately high on the list of things to do would be to get some nice 4:3 laptops made.03:34
pupnikif you recall kotczarny, the guy who got gp2x uae4all running on n800 - he has a great new visualization program for x86 and arm03:34
SpeedEvilI just heard of a _neat_ technique.03:34
SpeedEvilYou take an image of a person.03:34
pupniki got an x200t on closeout for 800 and am real happy with it03:35
SpeedEvilNow, you chroma filter that image, and run an analysis of red vs green/blue - using the green/blue channel to noise-cancel.03:35
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SpeedEvilYou then run a fft on the red/ (green/blue) ratio.03:35
SpeedEvilAnd out pops heartrate.03:35
pupnikyou are not kidding me?03:36
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pupniki must be imagining the fft wrong03:38
SpeedEvilyou run the FFT on the noise-reduced averaged skin-tone03:38
dreamerDocScrutinizer: yay, removing bless900 and then rebooting fixed it :)03:39
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SpeedEvilPlethysymographic imaging.03:39
SpeedEvilAwesome word.03:39
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DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: awesome03:53
SpeedEvilIt's really simple too - they're not doing anything remotely clever.03:53
SpeedEvilJust FFTing the average colour of a ROI03:53
SpeedEvilThis could be fun.03:54
SpeedEvilImagine running it against politicians.03:54
DocScrutinizerthey should do a bit more clever compensation for moving subjects03:54
SpeedEvilYou get a image of parliament, when someone is making an important speech.03:54
SpeedEvilCorrelate the heartrate with the points to see who it pisses off and is hiding it.03:54
DocScrutinizerI already was with Clinton, sexual intercourse, and lie detection as done by mossad03:55
DocScrutinizeradd this to the somewhat more sophisticated micro gesture detection03:56
DocScrutinizerplus voice stress analysis03:56
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DocScrutinizernow video surveilance of public places becomes a whole new quality :-P03:58
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DocScrutinizerI doubt you could place a backpack with a bomb somewhere with the same coolness you'd put a bag of litter into an arbitrary bin04:02
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DocScrutinizerprobably I'll get shot next time I put a letter to my GF into the postbox :-P04:02
SpeedEvilBeta blockers.04:02
DocScrutinizergood point04:03
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DocScrutinizermeh, out of milk for coffee. Hope my bakery is open now04:07
SpeedEvilI strongly recommend heat-treated milk.04:07
SpeedEvilModern processes have gotten good enough that the taste is barely noticable. (at least to me)04:07
SpeedEvilI buy milk monthly04:08
DocScrutinizertastes like shit04:08
SpeedEvilDepends on the process.04:08
BCMMUHT tastes awful to me04:08
SpeedEvilUHT used to taste awful.04:08
SpeedEvilThe processing - at least in the UK - has gotten lots better.04:08
BCMMhow recently?04:08
SpeedEvillast decade?04:09
DocScrutinizeractually they got better. But - though I'd never expected that - it makes a giant difference, even in coffee. Maybe especially in coffee04:09
SpeedEvilI guess I'm not critical enough, or german milk is different. :)04:09
DocScrutinizernah, a lot of cheap one around here. The expensive one is remarkably better, but still way off from fresh04:10
BCMMwhat exactly is uht anyway? isn't pastuerisation supposed to sterilise the milk?04:10
SpeedEvilBCMM: It's milk that you can store for months in the cupboard.04:11
DocScrutinizerdepends on temperature. Like 70°, 85°, 90°, even 110°04:11
BCMMSpeedEvil: i know that, but i don't know why04:11
SpeedEvilThe temperature profile is the key.04:11
SpeedEvilThe old method was to hold it for a long time at a relatively cool temp04:11
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SpeedEvilnewer methods hold it for a shorter time but hotter04:11
DocScrutinizerif you heat a tank for 2h, you'll get something worth the drain04:12
BCMMSpeedEvil: is germany one of those countries where milk is UHT "by default"?04:12
SpeedEvilThere is pastureised, and UHT, they are different04:12
BCMM(like how "normal" UK milk is pastuerised and homogenised)04:12
SpeedEvilpasturised means that it's killed 99% or so of bacteria - it'll last a week in the fridge.04:12
SpeedEvilUHT will last months.04:13
DocScrutinizerwe got - few - pasteurized, most of it ESL now, and maybe a thrid is UHT04:13
SpeedEvil(well, years, but it seperates)04:13
BCMMah, so the difference is due to stuff surviving pasteurisation04:13
DocScrutinizerESL is like 85° instead of 70° (or similar), and has 3 times the shelf life04:13
DocScrutinizerof fresh04:14
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BCMMso UHT does go off at a normal rate once it's open?04:14
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DocScrutinizerbasically yes04:14
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pupnikooks like the x650 has some stability problems04:23
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cehtehgreat week, laptop hdd died, new ssd died too, n900 bricked ...05:26
pupnik  nice HD video from a quadcopter05:30
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DocScrutinizercehteh: :-/05:46
cehtehhow do i flash the kernel only? .. forgotten the spell05:47
cehtehgot it05:48
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cehtehso .. the question is, why did power45 and power46 brick my device ... some incompatible packages05:52
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cehtehguess i deinstall a lot first before trying again05:52
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cehteheven better --- flashing the kernel only didnt fixed it06:02
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DocScrutinizerthere's a known issue with bq27200 drivers06:04
cehtehcomplete flash? ...06:04
luke-jrthere is?06:04
DocScrutinizerthere was?06:04
DocScrutinizerhas been?06:04
luke-jri thought Nokia just neglected the platform data06:04
DocScrutinizerbq27200 kernel driver occupying the I2C bus, so bme blows chunks06:05
DocScrutinizerpower kernel comes with bq27200 drivers, but aiui they're not loaded by default06:05
DocScrutinizerallegedly matan fixed this, by not throwing error on I2c access when a kernel driver already opened that bus06:07
cehtehok having a brand new n900 now .. well grr06:07
DocScrutinizerdunno if and which powerkernel has that patch06:07
DocScrutinizerthe funny thing: usually nobody is noticing any problems, as bme is opening the I2C bus and hapily lives on forever, even when bq27200 driver is loaded after that. But beware of stopping and restarting bme after that!06:09
DocScrutinizercehteh: you had multiboot?06:10
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DocScrutinizermultiboot, though a smart hack, is a heap of steaming shit regarding later installation of new kernels06:11
DocScrutinizercehteh: so I actually am out of ideas what messed up your system06:12
cehtehsome application, it booted and just before all desktop icons where displayed it shutdown06:12
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DocScrutinizersome hw-related widgets? battery-foo? wifi-eye, something else?06:13
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DocScrutinizerthough I once had same problem, just by trying to pull foreca from one screen to the other06:14
DocScrutinizerr&d mode wasn't that popular back when, so I had to reflash06:15
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cehtehuhm .. damn ..ham06:15
cehtehno fapman yet06:16
cehtehhave to go all the way to reinstall all crap06:16
DocScrutinizeruse backup, fool!06:16
cehtehi do06:16
cehtehbut cough ..06:16
cehtehits on my uSD which is ext4 :P06:17
DocScrutinizernice shot into own foot06:17
cehtehok fapman installed06:18
DocScrutinizerfapman, meh06:18
DocScrutinizerI got more sophisticated and more funny ways to ruin my system, than just fapman. (what a name!)06:19
DocScrutinizertook fapman some 15 minutes to buy his ticket off my system06:20
cehtehwhere is the power kernel extras or testing?06:20
DocScrutinizerprobably 7 versions in extras, 3 in testing, and 13 in devel06:21
cehtehyou are right06:22
DocScrutinizerhonestly, powerkernel isn't exactly the king of pkg I'd install via a graphic installer06:22
cehtehwell ... doesnt matter i have to add the repositories in a economic way now06:23
DocScrutinizerthere's just a few things I insist on my cmdline to do them06:24
DocScrutinizerone of those things is kernel installation and fapping modules. Another few are mass rm and mv, or sed jobs06:26
cehtehno ssh yet .. and the small keyboard isnt that nice either06:26
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DocScrutinizermounting :-P06:26
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DocScrutinizerhmm, so maybe ssh metapkg should be the first (or second, after rootsh) to install?06:27
DocScrutinizernot fapman?06:27
cehtehno /opt .. ext4 ...06:27
cehtehfirst a ext4 kernel06:27
DocScrutinizerseems your recover strategy needs a bit of love to lose some bleeding edges06:28
cehtehwell and i want to install power46 asap to see if it works .. before loosing too much work again06:29
DocScrutinizerevery work done twice is a fool's work06:30
DocScrutinizerI mean that's why I use computers: to get rid of doing same thing repeated times06:31
DocScrutinizerright, luke-jr ? that's why OM recommends using  flash-moko11-2.image :-P06:34
DocScrutinizerluke-jr: figue the smile of resellers updating calypso fw of several dozen devices06:36
DocScrutinizersure, if you want to hurry, you could even use 4 uSD cards concurrently. While you started update on device #4, #1 finished and you can use card #1 in device #506:38
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DocScrutinizerluke-jr: btw I think I recall there's been 'sync' mentioned explicitly, to avoid corruption of flashed uSD, after 'dd'06:43
DocScrutinizerif not then please let me know. I take pride in my belief the procedure and instructions are perfect06:44
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DocScrutinizerI just feel a little embarrassed about mere size of the image06:46
mveplusdoes someone can point on the right direction?06:47
DocScrutinizerbut doing anything about it would have made the whole procedure more complicated06:47
DocScrutinizermveplus: no06:47
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mveplusconnecting usb2Network adapter with h-e-n and kernel power46, dmesg show the device but node is not created?06:49
DocScrutinizer(I love that last sentence :-D )06:49
DocScrutinizerwasn't there somebody who made it work?06:49
mveplusyes but fallowing his steps leads to nowhere06:50
DocScrutinizeryou'd most probably need a proper kernel module to support a usb->ethernet dongle06:50
DocScrutinizersorry I have no such device, so I'm a bit lost on which module is needed06:51
mveplusbecause starting #/sbin/udhcpc gave error06:51
DocScrutinizerthat's really rather late a step in setting up an IP connection06:53
mveplusSIOCGIFINDEX filed: No shuch device06:53
mveplusI needet some time to reproduce it now06:53
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mveplusthe main problem is that in /dev/ is not ctreated any node for that nea attached usb2net06:55
DocScrutinizerfirst thing to happen: kernel detect and enumerates new USB device. step 2: proper driver gets loaded -> some new network device shows up in syslog and in #ifconfig06:55
mveplusone is RTL815006:55
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mveplusthe other adapter is MOSCIP 783006:56
DocScrutinizerusually ethenet-dongles are greedy, and won't run properly from N900's 200mA max VBUS power06:57
mveplusthe fist step is hapening the device is reportet in dmesg but may be proper driver is not loaded and because of that node is not created06:57
DocScrutinizeror device gets enumerated and then VBUS breaks down, so in dmesg some errors showing up later on?06:58
mveplusI measured the power consumation on both RTL= Imax=131mA06:58
mvepluswhen it is active06:58
DocScrutinizerso we need to check if and what module gets loaded, and what it says06:58
mveplusthe other one moscip Imax=185mA06:58
pupniki think i just realized how i can get 4 channels of analog control from a headphone out06:58
DocScrutinizerpupnik: ???06:59
pupnikwell i could build a circuit to split positive and negative voltage on each channel06:59
mveplushow to check which modules are loaded? lsmod?06:59
DocScrutinizeraah, actuator, not sensor06:59
pupnikDocScrutinizer: why not use a n900 to control a generic quadcopter with the audio headphones07:00
DocScrutinizermaybe because hostmode is much cleaner a solution?07:00
pupnikit can handle the stabilization, n900 can do the gps and 3g/ web-based controling07:00
mvepluslsmode, report no modules for 8150 either 7830 or may be they are with different names07:01
pupniki'd like something that can do waypoints and unattended patrols07:01
DocScrutinizermveplus: you need to check dmesg/syslog07:01
DocScrutinizerit should tell you which module is loaded. Also a lsmod prior to and after connecting the dongle should help07:02
DocScrutinizermodinfo xyz.ko also is a nice one07:02
mveplusfor both devices says: new USB device found...idvendor, idproduct , and product are reported corectly07:03
DocScrutinizermveplus: after connecting the dongle, next thing is a lsusb I'd think07:04
mvepluswill check it  now07:04
DocScrutinizerthe also a lsusb -v -d vendor:product07:04
DocScrutinizer(check exact syntax, I might be wrong)07:05
mveplusthis is the righr syntaxis07:08
mvepluslsusb report details about device what to look for?07:08
DocScrutinizerif it's not reporting device-not-found or any errors, then the device is up and steady07:09
DocScrutinizerthat's good07:09
DocScrutinizerdid you notice anything new in lsmod?07:09
DocScrutinizerdo you have a linux PC?07:10
DocScrutinizercould you plug in the dongle to linux PC and check there for name of module?07:10
DocScrutinizer(also if it works at all there, at least)07:10
mveplustI have linux mint/ubuntu based07:10
mveplusit recognise both and they are just working right away07:11
DocScrutinizershould be good enough07:11
DocScrutinizerdo a lsmod >x07:11
DocScrutinizerplug dongle07:11
DocScrutinizerdo a lsmod >y07:11
DocScrutinizerdiff x y07:11
DocScrutinizerwell, now that you already pluged them before, your modules stay loaded :-P07:12
DocScrutinizerno diffs to be found if you do it again now07:13
DocScrutinizermaybe you can spot the right module in lsmod07:13
DocScrutinizera modinfo <modname> will make sure it's the right module07:13
mveplusI get it will start over and come with result after a moment07:13
mveplus equal and07:19
mveplusops that was not for here07:20
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mveplusdiff on the first module MOSCIP 7832 does not report any diff07:27
mvepluson the second one RTL8150 report only ipv607:27
DocScrutinizerplease pastebin lsmod07:28
mveplusso that should mean no suitable module loaded, right?07:28
mvepluspaste output here?07:29
mveplusasking because it's long07:31
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DocScrutinizersorry, disconnected07:32
mveplus<DocScrutinizer> lsmod07:33
mveplusModule                  Size  Used by pn_pep                 13184  0  vfat                    9600  2  fat                    43740  1 vfat sd_mod                 20692  0  scsi_mod               82400  1 sd_mod iphb                    3300  1  rfcomm                 33684  14  panic_info_buff         2820  0  sco                     9544  2  l2cap                  21060  9 rfcomm ext3                   97348  1  omaplfb07:34
DocScrutinizerdon't paste here!07:34
mveplusOps, Sorry07:34
mveplus<DocScrutinizer> Thanks for th ehelp07:36
mveplusI'm writing here for the first time...07:37
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DocScrutinizermveplus: you said your dongle works fine on PC07:40
DocScrutinizeron N900 did you #ifconfig -a ?07:42
DocScrutinizerminus the ?07:42
mveplusreport only these: lo,phonet0,wlan0, wmaster007:44
DocScrutinizermveplus: please also pastebin the dmesg/syslog of h-e-n_RTL815007:44
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DocScrutinizeryes, N900 doesn't load a kernel module. Does your PC load a kernel module?07:53
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DocScrutinizerI.E. what new device shows up on your PC, for #ifconfig -a, after plug in of realtek RTL8150 ?07:54
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mveplussorry was disconected07:58
DocScrutinizeryes, N900 doesn't load a kernel module. Does your PC load a kernel module?07:58
DocScrutinizerI.E. what new device shows up on your PC, for #ifconfig -a, after plug in of realtek RTL8150 ?07:58
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DocScrutinizermveplus: do a #find /sys/devices -name "*$your_device_name*"07:59
DocScrutinizerwhere $your_device_name is the name of new device as shows up in #ifconfig -a after plugin if realtek to your PC07:59
DocScrutinizerlike this:08:01
DocScrutinizerhalley:~ # find /sys/devices -name "*eth0*"08:01
DocScrutinizerhalley:~ # ll /sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:04.0/net/eth0/device/driver08:01
DocScrutinizerlrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 0 Nov 20 06:38 /sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:04.0/net/eth0/device/driver -> ../../../bus/pci/drivers/sis19008:01
DocScrutinizerhalley:~ # modinfo sis19008:01
DocScrutinizerfilename:       /lib/modules/
DocScrutinizerdescription:    SiS sis190/191 Gigabit Ethernet driver08:02
mvepluson a pc load this module >rtl815008:02
DocScrutinizerno surprise08:02
DocScrutinizerso you need this module for N90008:03
mvepluson the PC show eth308:03
DocScrutinizerof course built for maemo, for power kernel08:03
mveplusokey, will try to build it but I do not know if cold do it for N90008:04
DocScrutinizeryou can try a #modprobe rtl815008:04
DocScrutinizerbut I'm rather sure it's missing the rtl8150.ko08:05
DocScrutinizerask MohammadAG or titan to build that module for you08:05
DocScrutinizeralso the other one08:05
mvepluswhen I try that get err: FATAL: Module rtl8150 not found.08:06
DocScrutinizerit nonexistent08:06
mveplusyes, now i'm shure, thanks to you!08:06
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DocScrutinizercheck name of module for MC7832 on your PC, then ask MohammadAG to build rtl8150.ko and mcxyxy.ko for you08:09
mvepluswill do that thnak you - for the other is mcs7830.ko08:12
DocScrutinizermveplus: you should do a 'modinfo rtl8150' and also a modinfo for that other module, on your PC. And add the full output to your request for those modules08:13
mveplusokey that is very helpfull08:13
mvepluswill do it08:13
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trumeeGuys, how do i resolve this .  global name 'QMaemo5ValueButton' is not defined08:15
DocScrutinizerdefine it :-P08:16
trumeei have already done. "apt-get install python2.5 python2.5-qt4-core pytho2.5-qt4-gui"08:16
trumeei suppose it should bring in all the qt libraries.08:17
DocScrutinizertrumee: had to tell what's missing or odd08:17
mveplus<DocScrutinizer> great hepl - Thank you!!!08:17
trumeeDocScrutinizer, crap. dont tell me i need to reflash my phone08:19
DocScrutinizertrumee: QMaemo5ValueButton might be a completely different namespace/domain though. Maybe unrelated to python08:19
trumeeis there any other app which relies on QMaemo5ValueButton?08:20
trumeeDocScrutinizer, i am trying to run cutetube.08:20
DocScrutinizerit's really not easy to tell which lib has a particular symbol, if you have no clue who's asking for that symbol and where it's supposed to be08:20
DocScrutinizertrumee: try google08:21
trumeeDocScrutinizer, the code references PyQt. is python2.5-qt package same as PyQt?08:22
DocScrutinizertrumee: try google08:23
trumeeDocScrutinizer,   from PyQt4.QtMaemo5 import QMaemo5ListPickSelector, QMaemo5AbstractPickSelector, QMaemo5InformationBox, QMaemo5ValueButton08:29
trumeeDocScrutinizer, seems my PyQt is broken08:29
DocScrutinizeror the name has changed08:29
DocScrutinizerhave you asked google?08:30
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trumeeyes i did.08:30
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DocScrutinizermake sure there are no unprintable chars in that line08:30
DocScrutinizerdelete the name and write it again08:31
DocScrutinizerIroN900:~# python08:34
DocScrutinizerPython 2.5.4 (r254:67916, May 17 2010, 21:00:32)08:34
DocScrutinizer[GCC 4.2.1] on linux208:34
DocScrutinizerType "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information.08:34
DocScrutinizer>>> from PyQt4.QtMaemo5 import QMaemo5ListPickSelector08:34
DocScrutinizer>>> from PyQt4.QtMaemo5 import QMaemo5ValueButton08:34
DocScrutinizerthat's still a 1.2 system though08:35
DocScrutinizernfc if that's another present of qt4.7 or whatever that new crap is called08:36
trumeefrom PyQt4.QtMaemo5 import QMaemo5ValueButton08:37
trumeeImportError: No module named QtMaemo508:37
trumeeis what i get!08:38
DocScrutinizerso there you are08:38
trumeemy phone is PR1.3.08:39
trumeeso why dont i have PyQt? i did install all the python-qt4 libraries.08:39
DocScrutinizeryour version of PyQt4 has no QtMaemo5, or you don't even have (access to) PyQt408:40
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trumeefrom PyQt4 import *, works ok.08:42
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trumeeDocScrutinizer, solved!08:44
trumeeapt-get install python2.5-qt4-maemo508:45
trumeeDocScrutinizer, thanks08:45
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tr4skHow can I format completly my N900 ?10:35
keriotr4sk: flash both COMBINED and VANILLA10:36
tr4skWhen I flash it, some settings stay10:36
ieatlintthem's fighting words10:36
RobbieThe1stIf you flash the emmc image, all personal data is gone. Then flash the Fiasco image to bring the OS back10:36
RobbieThe1st(A new copy, that is)10:37
keriothe only things that could stay are the things in cal, such as the "personal code"10:38
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tr4skkerio: thx :) I understand now10:50
tr4skRobbieThe1st: Thx :)10:50
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NooBmonk3ymorning alls :)11:44
NooBmonk3yanyone able to answer a queen bee question? want to know if something is possible ? :)11:44
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lardmanhi chaps11:45
NooBmonk3ymorning lardman :)11:45
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lardmanNooBmonk3y: ask away, see if someone answers11:45
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lardmanI'm doing some tidying up, and namely fixing the Octave package in extras-devel - it has a build-time dep on texinfo, but this is also brought across into a run-time dep, how should I fix this?11:46
NooBmonk3yhehehe ok, well i moved to ubunti last week, and managed to last night successfully ssh from n900 to pc :).... then with a few extra commands that i will never remember of the top of my head, tunnel through using vnc... so a) is there a way to simplify, or b) use queenbee to run a few commands to do it, then launch vnc etc? (Ie put it all on one button?)11:46
infobotNooBmonk3y meant: hehehe ok, well i moved to ubuntu last week, and managed to last night successfully ssh from n900 to pc :).... then with a few extra commands that i will never remember of the top of my head, tunnel through using vnc... so a) is there a way to simplify, o...11:46
NooBmonk3yooo octave? :P no idea what that is11:47
NooBmonk3yor b) use queen bee to run multiple commands11:47
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NooBmonk3ywas the end of that sentence lol11:47
RobbieThe1stOr, stick it all in a shellscript?11:47
NooBmonk3yRobbieThe1st,  or c) lol11:47
lardmanwhat's QueenBee?11:48
psycho_oreosdesktop widget11:48
lardmanand fwiw11:48
infobot. URL:
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NooBmonk3yso basically i need to start the ssh connection, then run ssh -L 5900:localhost:5900 me@puter.ip then run x11vnc -safer -localhost -nopw -once -display :0, then run the vnc client to localhost:590011:49
lardmanthanks, just found that11:49
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RobbieThe1stNooBmonk3y: Make a shellscript with those commands, then use QBCW to launch it, if you need11:50
NooBmonk3ycool thanks RobbieThe1st, i assume that is a .sh script, just with the commands in it?11:50
* NooBmonk3y is slowly learning :)11:51
RobbieThe1stWell, a "proper" shell script has the first line as "#!/bin/sh"11:51
alteregoNooBmonk3y: you can run ssh in the background, so if you've got key auth setup: ssh ... && vnc ...11:51
NooBmonk3ylardman, that website wont load?11:51
lardmanand "#! /bin/sh" as the first line11:51
NooBmonk3yahhh ok, will go wiki shell scripts hehe11:51
lardmaninfobot: Octave is
infobot...but octave is already something else...11:51
RobbieThe1stBut yea, it's just a text file. Heck, you don't even need to use .sh at the end11:51
NooBmonk3yooo wow!11:51
NooBmonk3ylol RobbieThe1st thank you very much :)11:52
RobbieThe1stOne thing to note though: You have to mark it as excecutable, so you can run it. In order to do this, you can't have it on the FAT32 MyDocs partition(inside /home/user is fine, though) To mark a file as excecutable, run "chmod +x ./filename"11:53
RobbieThe1stAnd, feel free to ask me anything about Ubuntu; I'm always willing to help out a fellow Linux user.11:53
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NooBmonk3ythanks RobbieThe1st , creating the script on my ubuntu pc, will then putty it over to the n900 and chmod it :)11:55
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NooBmonk3yhehehe! :) - wooop,11:55
NooBmonk3ymorning kerio11:55
psycho_oreoswtf, using putty under linux?11:55
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lardmanhmm, with live wallpaper I don't seem to be able to enable another desktop11:56
RobbieThe1stOn Linux, all you need to do is type "ssh user@host" from a terminal.11:56
RobbieThe1stIn the case of -my- n900 and usb networking, I'd do "ssh root@"11:56
HRH_H_CrabNooBmonk3y: just scp i over: scp /path/to/file/on/ubuntu <ipofn900>:/path/to/place/script11:56
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NooBmonk3yHRH_H_Crab, ya lost me ;) lol11:57
lardmanMohammadAG: That kernel fix makes a big difference to the use of my N900 as a handwarmer after a night of charging, thanks :)11:57
HRH_H_CrabNooBmonk3y: type "man scp" on your ubuntu machine11:57
HRH_H_Crabwill explain a lot better than i can! ;)11:57
psycho_oreosNooBmonk3y, or you can just get something like filezilla/sshfs11:57
* NooBmonk3y has got filzilla :)11:57
RobbieThe1stThere's many ways of doing things11:58
RobbieThe1stOn linux11:58
steinexor he can use putty11:58
NooBmonk3yi , in most cases prefer the non terminal way as i'm still learning lol11:58
steinexsigh you freaks11:58
RobbieThe1stPutty on -linux-?11:58
NooBmonk3ysteinex, i have putty too, and can use that too :P11:58
psycho_oreosputty is not needed under linux11:58
HRH_H_CrabRobbieThe1st: there is a putty build for linux i believe11:58
NooBmonk3yRobbieThe1st,  putty ssh client it is called11:58
HRH_H_Crabive nver tried it11:58
RobbieThe1st*blink*... why?11:58
NooBmonk3yit works :P11:58
lardmandoh, I think the runtime texinfo dep is my fault11:59
psycho_oreossome people probably want the GUI, mouse feels11:59
NooBmonk3yRobbieThe1st, because.... when a windows user moves to ubuntu, thwey know what it is lol11:59
psycho_oreosi.e. like when running mirc just to chat on irc under linux? ;)11:59
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ieatlintdid pr1.3 bring qt4.7?12:00
RobbieThe1stSpeaking of GUI - Dolphin (file manager) will let you setup SSH "places", and access it just like a (slow) drive/folder12:00
NooBmonk3yRobbieThe1st,  have to admit i tried dolphin, and oddly couldnt get it working :P12:00
HRH_H_CrabRobbieThe1st: or just use standard ubuntu nautilus12:00
NooBmonk3yprefer nautilus12:01
RobbieThe1stI use KDE; I've never tried using nautilus for SSH12:01
lardmanRobbieThe1st: sftpfs always used to crash for me12:01
psycho_oreosif one can get sshfs to work, you can use whatever frontend to manage file transfers/viewing between ssh client and daemon12:01
lardmanor that one, sshfs12:01
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* lardman twiddles thumbs while Octave builds12:02
budfivebuilding octave for n900 or what?12:02
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lardmanI built it in Jan actually, but it's had a runtime dep issue since then12:03
budfivegood to have it12:03
lardmanam I right in thinking that the current SDK builds with vfp etc enabled by default?12:04
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lardmanI'm looking at building this as a ui:
lardmanyacas should also be in extras-devel so that would be good for both12:04
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lardmanhmm, suppose I might need to optify Octave too12:07
HRH_H_Crabdo you lot all have extras-devel permanently enabled? there seems to be a lot of warnings against doing so, but lets face it, thats where all the cool stuff is.12:08
HRH_H_Crabhow dangerous is it?12:08
HRH_H_Crabam i likely to lose the ability to make and receive calls? :P12:09
alteregoHRH_H_Crab: its' as dangerous as the person using it :P12:09
alteregoI'd stick to testing.12:09
alteregoI enable devel when I want something specifically.12:09
HRH_H_Crabso provided i dont go mental with stuff like the kernel i cant break much?12:09
alteregoWell, you can, it's just not as likely.12:09
RobbieThe1stEh, not so much. You can break a lot of things.12:09
HRH_H_Crabthe problem is that if you install something from devel12:10
HRH_H_Craband then disable it12:10
HRH_H_Crabyou wont get updates will you?12:10
alteregoIt's just up to you to be responsible about what you install, understand the risks, maybe do a bit of research like ask on the forums and here about others' experiences with that specific package etc.12:10
HRH_H_Crabim still very new12:10
HRH_H_Crabif i do hose things, i can always re-flash right?12:10
HRH_H_Craband i'll just lose settings?12:10
alteregoUnless your emmc gets corrupt, then you might lose all your data :)12:11
RobbieThe1stPersonally, my advice for extras-devel is that if you're gonna take the risk, at least back things up once in a while. Heck, use BackupMenu and save yourself some effort</shameless plug>12:11
HRH_H_Crabyeah ive been backing up regularly to sd using the applet thingy12:11
lardmanI have it enabled all the time, no problems, ymmv12:11
HRH_H_Crabif its as "dangerous" as debian unstable i think i'll be o.k.12:12
alteregoIt's probably more dangerous :P12:12
HRH_H_Crabthats a bit scary12:12
lardmanany optification gurus about? What's the best plan? use  --prefix=/opt in the Makefile?12:12
alteregolardman: --prefix=/opt/usr12:13
HRH_H_Crabwell if its quite hard for me to do anything that would prevent me from getting back to a fresh out of the box state12:13
HRH_H_Crabim not too worried12:13
lardmanalterego: do I then need to manually create symblinks for my binary?12:13
RobbieThe1stRemember, extras-devel is where all developers upload to. So, things that are slightly-tested or not-tested get uploaded there.12:13
alteregolardman: what kind of application is it? Command line?12:13
lardmanso has executable, some libs, lots of script files12:14
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lardmanyeah command line12:14
HRH_H_Crabi dont think ive got testing enabled either12:14
alteregoWell, just add /opt/usr/bin to your PATH enviornment variable.12:14
HRH_H_Crabi wonder if there is any cool stuff in there i havent seen12:14
lardmanI'm going to be using it from a separate ui though, so it will need to be on the path12:15
alteregoWell, if you're creating a ui, you don't need path just call it as: /opt/usr/bin/Octave12:17
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lardmanI guess it's the done thing to add a package-dependant part to the opt path?12:18
lardmanI will still need a symlink though, some people will no doubt want to run it from the command line, but that's fair enough12:18
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* lardman doesn't look forward to experimenting with creating symlinks for Octave considering how long it takes to build12:30
alteregoHrm, /me wonders what the point in creating a new model for telemetry data was for.12:30
alteregoI think I just did it for the sake of it :/12:31
lardmanyou wanted to learn about model-view, you sadist you12:31
lardmanmasochist actually12:31
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alteregoI know about model-view12:31
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alteregoFor some reason I thought it would make my UI easier12:33
alteregoBut I'm not display tabular data, I'm displaying the most recent record only ..12:33
alteregoOh wait, now I remember why ..12:33
alteregoData Formatting,12:34
* alterego bangs head and continues working on it ^.^12:34
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CutMeOwnThroatsadist and masochist in one?12:36
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lardmanwith your name? ;)12:39
alteregoWell, it kind of works :)12:39
alteregoI wanted a unified place which deals with data formatting, so I didn't have code that loaded the format configuration option from all over the pace.12:40
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lardmanhmm, dpkg-shlibdeps: warning: format of `NEEDED' not recognized12:41
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trumeedoes xchat on N900 eat a lot of bandwidth? I cant stream video and have xchat running at the same time.12:44
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alteregotrumee: shouldn't do, but then, that depends if you're logged into 1k channels or not :P12:46
psycho_oreosalso depends on the type of connection you have used as well12:46
trumeealterego, just 2 channels. Once i close xchat video is smooth.12:47
trumeeusing wifi, pretty good connection12:47
alteregoWhat does 'top' say?12:47
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korhojoatop: off12:48
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trumeealterego, mediaplayer pauses when it looses focus. so will have to ssh from another machine12:49
alteregoWell, I meant top from xchat in background12:49
alteregoWhich is obviously causing you issues :)12:50
trumeealterego, pretty low12:51
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trumee3.5 percent for xchat12:52
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lardmandrat, no ruby qt12:53
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alteregoI can build it for you if you want lardman? :)12:54
lardmanalterego: are you a ruby dev?12:54
alteregoI was the ruby-maemo dev a whiile ago.12:54
alteregoThen I lost interest.12:54
lardmanah ok12:54
alteregoI implemented all the hildon bindings and such.12:54
lardmanDo you reckon it's worth using a UI which uses Ruby as the frontend for Octave?12:55
lardmanor rather the UI is written in Ruby12:55
alteregoWell, personally, I would have thought Qt/C++ using libOctave :P12:55
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lardmanI know12:55
alteregoYou're probably better off using Python as it has all the maemo-isms12:55
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lardmanI'll have to write that myself rather than using someone else's code though12:56
alteregoAh, okay.12:56
alteregoWell, how complicated can it be?12:56
lardmanI was thinking more of the speed and extra stuff that has to be installed12:56
lardmannot complicated, time consuming12:57
alteregoWell, speed isn't a problem, because you're still using the compiled binaries for most of the computation.12:57
alteregoThe only time you'll have speed issues is with python/ruby startup times.12:57
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lardmanhmm, QtOctave looks like it might be a goes13:00
lardmanthanks alterego13:00
lardmanargh, wrong quilt version13:01
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HRH_H_Crabcould someone explain what the "enhanced linux kernel for power users (obsolete)" package actually does?13:06
HRH_H_Crabwhat are the consequences of installing / not installing it?13:06
lardmanah I hate moving packages across from uptodate Debian13:06
RobbieThe1stPower Kernel allows OCing and a few other things13:06
HRH_H_Crabif "installing" is even the right word... :|13:06
HRH_H_CrabRobbieThe1st: i have it installed for ipv613:07
lardmanHRH_H_Crab: it's obsolete, so don't install it13:07
HRH_H_Crabi have no interest in overclocking13:07
RobbieThe1stI'm thinking that particular package is just an older version13:07
lardmanthe updated kernel has overclocking, fix for 500MHz CPU when charging, and iirc more kernel modules13:07
RobbieThe1stIs that V46?13:07
tristan__how do you overclock on the new kernel lardman?13:07
lardmanoh maybe it doesn't then13:07
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lardmanI take it back13:08
tristan__ok so same as the poewr kernel13:08
tristan__lets see13:08
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tristan__not found13:08
HRH_H_Crabnote im not talking about "enhanced power kernel"13:08
RobbieThe1stI think you need kernel-power-settings or something13:08
HRH_H_Crabim talking about "enhanced power kernel (obsolete)"13:08
HRH_H_Crabi understand what the former is for13:09
RobbieThe1stWhat's the -version-?13:09
HRH_H_Crabthe latter just confuses the hell out of me13:09
lardmanhmm, cmake not supported by cdbs13:09
RobbieThe1stIt's just an old version of it, I'm pretty sure13:09
RobbieThe1stProbably because people were complaining about u-boot in the new version13:09
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tristan__kerne-power-settings installs the pwoer kernel as a dependency.13:09
HRH_H_Crabso im prob. safe to leave well alone if all else is working how i want?13:09
lardmanyes, fiddling with kernel flashing is potentially brick-time13:12
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RobbieThe1stYou can find your current kernel with 'uname -a' along with everything else13:12
HRH_H_CrabRobbieThe1st: yeah i know that13:13
tristan__hm how do you upgrade to pr1.313:13
HRH_H_Crabi understand what the power kernel is and i understand how to find my current version13:13
tristan__i assume im not running it, my kernel is from august.13:13
psycho_oreostristan__, either via ota, flashing or using pc-suite13:13
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tristan__ota it hsould appear in uh13:14
tristan__update from the applications thing, yes?13:14
RobbieThe1stHRH: So, what's the problem?13:14
HRH_H_Crabwhat i dont understand is wierdo packages showing up in my list of installable packages the description of which tells me to REMOVE (in caps no less) them.13:14
psycho_oreosHAM, yes, should be appearing as maemo5 iirc13:14
lardmanyou have extras-devel enabled now remember13:14
RobbieThe1stIt just means that they left it for compatibility13:14
tristan__hm maybe i do have it then13:15
RobbieThe1stso people with it installed won't end up with a broken system13:15
HRH_H_Crabive decided im just going to leave things how they are.13:15
psycho_oreostristan__, what do you mean by that?13:15
tristan__i dont see it in update at all13:15
tristan__but it says it was released oct 25th13:15
tristan__yet my kernel is from aug 6.13:15
psycho_oreostristan__, well to check if you have pr1.3 installed, go into about product under settings13:15
tristan__but i cant ota update.13:15
tristan__im in the about product section13:15
tristan__version 20.2010.36.213:15
psycho_oreosyeah that's pr1.313:16
tristan__hm so it is13:16
tristan__but why does it say released oct 25th yet my kernel is older.13:16
tristan__surely thats the date the kernel was installed13:16
psycho_oreoswhere does it say it was released october 25th?13:17
tristan__Maemo 5 PR1.3 was released on October 25, 2010, together with an update of the SDK for developers. The product version is 20.2010.36-2.13:17
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tristan__right version. just the date.13:17
psycho_oreoskernel version (nokia's kernel) should remain the same however if one does OTA update, the version of the kernel included is newer than pr1.2 iirc13:18
tristan__Linux Nokia-N900 2.6.28-omap1 #1 PREEMPT Fri Aug 6 11:50:00 EEST 2010 armv7l unknown13:18
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psycho_oreosyeah that output might also be the same as on pr1.213:19
tristan__so. the kernel and update i am running makes the power-kernel obsolete? and i can overclock without it13:19
psycho_oreosthe kernel you are running right now cannot be overclocked, its nokia's standard kernel13:20
psycho_oreosyou can underclock however, not overclock13:20
tristan__i see. then in what way is the power kernel obsolete. is it still the only overclocking option13:20
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psycho_oreosobsolete? probably you tried to install an older power kernel?13:21
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tristan__well, it was said 5 minutes ago13:21
psycho_oreosand you downloaded the power kernel from extras right?13:22
tristan__ooh. i misread13:22
tugrikare there any issues with using the power kernel if you don't overclock, or might installation brick the device anyway?13:23
tristan__the power kernel messed up my skype on pr2.13:23
psycho_oreostugrik, its noted on the wiki and on the forums, generally not recommended if you don't know what you're doing13:23
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tugrikhow about if you do know what you're doing, as a debian user of a few years - if I follow instructions carefully should I be ok, or might the phase of the moon cause it to brick my device anyway?13:24
RobbieThe1stYou can always reflash13:25
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tristan__i was under the impression its pretty hard to truly brick an n90013:25
psycho_oreoswhat RobbieThe1st I second that, and always carry backups13:25
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psycho_oreosit is annoying however to brick your n900 whilst not having access to a computer with all the right setups to get the device back to normal again13:26
jacekowskiRobbieThe1st: impossible13:27
RobbieThe1stTrue. That's why I wrote BackupMenu. The only thing I haven't gotten setup yet is a way to replace the kernel with it, but I'm not sure how much that's needed13:27
jacekowskiRobbieThe1st: as long as hardware isn't damaged you can recover it with only usb cable13:28
RobbieThe1stUm... what?13:28
psycho_oreosand a computer with the flasher + firmware image13:28
jacekowskii'm just claryfing that it's impossible to brick n90013:28
RobbieThe1stWhile I agree, you need A, a computer, with a specific OS(no x64 W7), firmware image, flasher...13:29
RobbieThe1stAnd that's what we were talking about13:29
jacekowskiand bricked phone13:29
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RobbieThe1stAlso, nothing's impossible - It -is- possible to make it not work even after flashing, but it requires quite a bit of stuff to do.13:30
RobbieThe1stAnd -generally- even then it's recoverable.13:30
tristan__i flashed from 64 bit w713:31
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RobbieThe1stI recall quite a few people on forums complaining about that13:31
tristan__there is a fix13:31
tristan__disabling driver signing or something along those lines.13:31
jacekowskidriver signing cert costs only $500 a year13:32
jacekowskiand nokia is going cheap way13:32
tristan__a partnership with mossad might be in order eh.13:33
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HRH_H_Crabjacekowski: when you make hardware that uses an awesome os, why would you want to pay $500 to a company that calls that OS a "cancer" just so it will work with their (imho) lousy OS?13:34
jacekowskiHRH_H_Crab: you pay that to CA13:34
tristan__thats a bit of a non question13:35
jacekowskiHRH_H_Crab: not to microsoft13:35
HRH_H_Crabjacekowski: the pressure should be on microsoft to pay so that users of their os can work with the phone!13:35
RobbieThe1stMS users have the stupid PC suite13:35
RobbieThe1stThey aren't supposed to have to flash13:36
jacekowskiwell yeah13:36
jacekowskidriver with pcsuite is signed13:36
jacekowskiso nokia can sign drivers13:36
jacekowskisomebody was just to lazy to sign it13:36
HRH_H_Crabgoodness knows what hoops linux developers have to go through to work with hardware designed for microsoft platforms...13:36
RobbieThe1stThat's for sure13:38
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RobbieThe1stIt's amazing how well stuff works though, despite how much reverse-enginering those people have to do13:39
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NooBmonk3yqt creator is playing up again :|13:50
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lolloohi memo fans!14:20
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CorsacI didn't get the memo14:21
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geaaruhi, i have upgrade my n900 with last maemo firmware (without reflashing), and now when i active silent mode pulseaudio go in segfault. It is needed a restart to return on a correct state. Anyone has same issue?14:28
psycho_oreosin other words you did OTA upgrade?14:29
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TermanaThat was really strange... iPod Touch just turned on and started playing music by itself14:56
TermanaApple's horrible coding or Ghost?14:56
GAN900Wrong damn tshirt size from the conf14:57
TermanaGAN900, couldn't you determine that there or did everyone get the same size?14:57
GAN900Termana, didn't look at it until now14:59
GAN900They probably wouldn't have done anything anyway as they were way short on supplies14:59
alteregoGAN900: send it to meh!15:00
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iluminator101how can i install virtualbox in n900 or something similar?15:49
NooBmonk3yhmmm anyone here successfully got qtmobility working on ubuntu?15:49
NooBmonk3y(i mean so qtcreator can see it?)15:49
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jacekowskiiluminator101: there is no virtualisation solution for ARM at the moment15:50
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andaxjacekowski: well, at least there is qemu available15:51
jacekowskithat's emulation15:51
SpeedEvilAny virtualisation would be fairly intensive, generally, as there is no HW suport for it15:52
jacekowskiSpeedEvil: well, there is15:52
jacekowskiSpeedEvil: trustzone is perfect thing for it15:52
SpeedEvilWell - not full virtualisation15:52
SpeedEviloh - yeah - that15:52
andaxjacekowski: depends on how you use it.15:53
jacekowskiandax: on arm it's only emulation15:54
Corsactrustzone is not about virtualization anyway15:55
Corsacit's about isolatiion15:55
jacekowskilike protection rings in x8615:56
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jacekowskiwell virtualisation is about isolation15:56
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ech0Asusmy usb port broke off my n90016:09
ech0Asusyay, waiting on external battery charger and extra battery..16:10
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ech0Asusis it possible to solder a new usb port on my n900?16:11
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BCMMi can't find my phone, but i can ping it over wlan16:15
BCMMit's on silent16:15
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BCMMand, stupidly, ssh is off16:15
lardmanhey chaps16:15
BCMMthere must be a clever solution to this16:15
lardmanmove the wifi router and see the round trip time difference? ;)16:15
BCMMi don't think speed-of-light delays are relevant here16:16
BCMMbut i like that16:16
lardmanwell I didn't say how far to move it :D16:16
BCMMoh, there it is16:16
derfIf you have multiple antennas on the router you don't even have to move it.16:16
lardmanit worked!16:16
BCMMthat's weird, it isn't on silent16:17
BCMMit's stopped making noise again...16:17
BCMMit did this a few days ago16:17
BCMMi had to take the battery and sim out for it to start making noises16:17
BCMManyone else had that?16:18
lardmanhmm, I've got a problem with libblas building, it doesn't generate a plain .so symlink, which afaict from the rules file it should16:18
lardmanif anyone has a spare minute or two "apt-get source blas"16:18
BCMMhas anyone got a way of rigging the n900 to enable SSH automatically when connected to certain wlans?16:19
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lardmanhmm, that is odd, perhaps it is fixed but the version hasn't been changed16:20
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lardmanah, debian packaging issue rather than it not building16:28
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mikki-kuntr4sk: works fine with searching for the mem-chips and frying them...16:54
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alteregoTrack view widget almost finished ^.^16:55
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* infobot mooooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I am cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass17:08
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lardmanmore thumb twiddling waiting for lapack to build17:16
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lardmananyone happen to know where I can get a cmake cdbs file?17:25
lardmanI see that we used to have
lardmanwhich looks like it would provide what I'm after17:25
* ShadowJK wonders if there are any details on N8 power issues anywhere17:26
korhojoaall i've heard is that nokia is being very tight-lipped about it17:27
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korhojoalocal radio said that nokia is having issues with it's flagship model and people are trying to get to know if they will be replaced or repaired or whatever, but apparently nokia has been saying that "everything will be covered according to the warranty, take it in to the centers"17:28
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lardmanwhat sorts of issues are these?17:29
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lardmanAnyone got any thoughts on getting QtOctave to build? It uses cmake, and cdbs and unfortunately I can't seem to see any relevant cmake cdbs packages17:30
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ShadowJKlardman, "power management" issues17:31
ShadowJKthat's about as much detail I've found17:31
nidOwell, main issue is some devices not turning on17:31
lardmanok, so not bursting into flames or the like then :)17:32
DocScrutinizerShadowJK: PEBCAK?17:32
ShadowJKnidO, and you can't remove battery for half a minute like on n900 :)17:33
DocScrutinizeror here PEBCAP17:33
nidOfirst thing they talk about on it17:33
ShadowJKI tried to open one of the links but n900 went into swaphell and stopped responding until I killed the browser17:34
lardmanargh, I hate things that have audio or video links, far quicker to just read17:35
lardmanbut thanks anyway nidO :)17:35
ShadowJKI wonder if it doesn't shut down properly and entirely when user runs the battery down, and ends up killing the battery or discharging it too empty for recharging17:36
nidObasically nokia's saying its a manufacturing defect causing them to power down and not power back up, but theyve corrected the problem17:36
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DocScrutinizerWTF a BS site is THAT?!17:36
ShadowJKor if they kept the safety circuit in the battery, and it doesn't reset after an abnormal situatuion until you unplug it..17:37
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DocScrutinizerhaha, their fault when they don't hire proper review and QA like *me* :-P17:38
DocScrutinizerseems all their testers are all testing the same everyday standard shit all the time17:39
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DocScrutinizerShadowJK: so they kill cells?17:52
DocScrutinizeraka brick phones17:53
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DocScrutinizerShadowJK: I remember a friend of mine baught a 6210 6 month after I did, back in 2000..2001. His device always was empty after max 24h while mine had a standby time of >7 days easily. Nokia had to swap whole device. It's so easy to miss something. A poorly soldered pulldown R keeping a line floating - that's just enough. Quite a number of such bugs aren't even detectable via JTAG17:58
ShadowJKI have nfi what they do because I have found absolutely no information about it17:58
CutMeOwnThroathm, what's  "configuration wizard activation settings"17:59
DocScrutinizera meaningless blob of buzzwords?18:00
CutMeOwnThroatso why's the N900 throwing it at me after switching back on18:00
CutMeOwnThroatagree on the meaningfulness there18:00
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WakiMiko is that an overclocked n900? because mine only says 249.96 BogoMIPS18:02
CutMeOwnThroatWakiMiko, no... the CPU scales down when not busy18:04
CutMeOwnThroatif you hit the touchscreen a couple of times before ... eg on "tab", you'll see 50018:04
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CutMeOwnThroat"NOTE: The default configuration is being used or this window was called with a text message. Please follow this wizard... " and so on - Then "Text message activating configuration wizard" And an editable text-field with the content "to change your password, simply edit this field"18:06
CutMeOwnThroatsigh.. figured out what it is18:07
WakiMikoah cool18:08
CutMeOwnThroatit's "imhere", which I installed out of curiosity what it is, damn me18:08
CutMeOwnThroatwell, turns out it's being more cryptic after installing it18:08
CutMeOwnThroatok, I knew about what it was18:09
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lardmanAnyone know where to find the CDBS source?18:16
lardmannot to worry, found the changelog18:17
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alteregoOkay, so, I've now got a pannable, zoomable and rotating map view :)18:20
alteregoNow, one last view to write and I can start the testing/optimization phase ^.^18:23
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chem|stalterego: columbus?18:27
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lardmancdbs is rather old, am I able to replace it?18:30
lardmanit seems to come from the sdk repo18:31
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fish_sticksmy  n900 turns off every time I make a call using my sim card18:36
fish_sticksfew seconds into the call18:36
fish_sticksrunning the latest firmware18:36
fish_sticksany reason why?18:36
lardmanoff or reboot?18:37
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fish_sticksthis didnt happen once or twice.happened quite a number of times18:37
CutMeOwnThroatsounds pretty annoying18:38
fish_sticksit is18:38
ChoomI'm reading this page: which mentions the availability of two VM images, however, for some reason, I can only find one server image, and the image seems to be older than what's advertised in the previously mentioned page18:38
lardmanfish_sticks: pastebin the following: /proc/bootreason /var/lib/dsme/stats/lifeguard_resets18:38
fish_sticksone sec18:38
lardmanoutput of those two files18:38
Choomwhere can I find the desktop VM image?18:38
fish_sticks/proc/bootreason is sw_rst18:39
JaffaChoom: Email maemo-developers; ISTR danielwilms saying they were taken down to be updated, but I don't remember the updated ones coming.18:39
ChoomJaffa: k, thanks18:39
lardmanok, sw reset, critical app killed by the kernel oom killer apparently18:40
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lardmanand the other file should indicate what was killed18:40
fish_sticksand the 2nd is /usr/bin/Xorg -logfile /tmp/Xorg.0.log -logverboase 1 -n: 518:40
fish_sticksits killing Xorg each time18:40
lardmanhow large is /tmp/Xorg.0.log ?18:41
fish_sticks1 sec18:41
fish_sticksdoes 'll' work?18:41
fish_stickswhat command is it?18:41
fish_sticksto know the size?18:41
lardmandepends whether busybox could be bothered to implement it ;)18:42
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CutMeOwnThroat"ls -h"?18:42
jacekowskithere is no ll command18:42
jacekowskiit's just alias to ls -la in some distributions18:42
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fish_sticksls -h doesnt fetch me the size CutMeOwnThroat18:43
lardmannot sure why Xorg would be killed with oom error18:43
lardmanthough I wonder if that message applies to other things18:43
fish_stickswhat do I do?18:44
CutMeOwnThroathm, indeed... no -h "ls -l" then, sorry18:44
CutMeOwnThroatforgot this is ... busybox or something18:44
lardmanah yes it does, also applies to crashing app18:44
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lardmanso Xorg crashed, next thing to work out is why18:44
lardmanjust explains what I've told you so far18:45
lardmannot your particular problem18:45
fish_sticksthat should solve the problem18:45
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lardmanstopping it from crashing will solve the problem, but first you need to know why it crashed18:46
gustavoferreiraWhen we compile code that uses GTK+ we use the `pkg-config --libs --cflags gtk+-2.0 ` on gcc, and when we use gtkextra, what do we use? `pkg-config --libs --cflags gtkextra-2.0 `?? i tried this one, and it compiles but not as an independent executable, someone here knows what we use on pkg-config for gtkextra??18:46
fish_stickslardman,so get the module?18:47
lardmanwhat does the Xorg log file say?18:47
fish_sticks1 sec18:47
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fish_sticksI'll have to VNC to pastebin this18:48
timeless_mbpanyone know what 'rx-32' might be? :)18:49
lardmanhi timeless_mbp18:49
fish_sticksits some FBDEV thing18:49
fish_stickscant make out18:49
lardmanfish_sticks: I'm afraid that's all I know18:50
lardmancat it to file and pastebin it18:51
fish_stickswill it help if I pastebin the log?18:51
fish_sticksone sec18:51
lardmanI'm off out in a tick, but someone else might have a bright idea18:51
* lardman rejoices at finally getting bloody cmake cdbs to work18:51
fish_stickshmm k18:51
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lardmancu chaps19:03
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LantiziaDoes anyone have access to file "RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.UK-IRELAND_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin" as I can't get it via tablets-dev or via fds19:04
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Lantiziait's basically just the latest vanilla emmc with uk maps included19:06
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chem|stLantizia: please stop asking19:08
chem|stLantizia: why don't you use the vanilla and download those damn 200MB of maps by hand?19:09
LantiziaI'll stop asking when I have the file19:10
chem|stLantizia: you are asking for illegal actions...19:11
chem|stthose files are not to freely redistribute19:12
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Lantiziathe vanilla emmc is... and the maps are... so this isn't... how?19:12
fish_sticksmy Xorg keeps restarting when I make calls using the sim card.can anyone help me out?19:12
chem|stLantizia: as they are not released19:13
fish_stickshere is the Xorg log19:13
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Lantiziachem|st, they are released as they are mentioned in the readme files of the nokia care packages19:14
Lantiziachem|st, they just are not on tablets-dev19:14
chem|stwhat ever... if they aren't at tablets-dev then they are not released for public use19:15
chem|stfish_sticks: have you installed software from the SDK and/or devel?19:16
Lantiziaumm the UK PR 1.3 is not on tablets-dev... neither are the Vodaphone versions of all versions... yet they are freely downloadable from nokia FDS19:16
Lantiziayour reasoning is flawed19:16
fish_sticksyes I have chem|st19:16
chem|stLantizia: if they are freely downloadable why dont you do?19:16
Lantiziachem|st, the emmc is not on there (as far as I can tell)19:17
chem|stfish_sticks: did you do a apt-get dist-upgrade with SDK repo active?19:17
Lantiziabut your rationale of "not on tablets-dev" thus "not released" is nonsense19:17
fish_stickschem|st, dont think so19:17
Lantiziaas tablets-dev has been known to be missing many files in the past19:17
fish_sticksshould I?19:17
chem|stfish_sticks: NO never19:17
Lantiziait's just a linux box ffs and someone has to copy the files to /var/tabletsdev/nokia_N900/downloads/19:17
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fish_sticksso what do you think is the problem?19:18
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chem|stLantizia: if you got no access to download the files from a proper chanel you are not in a legal state!19:18
chem|stLantizia: and megaxxxload is not a proper channel19:19
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Lantiziayou may use megaxxxload... I never even mentioned it - whatever it is19:19
Lantiziaand the idea of it not being available for download = illegal is nonsense19:19
Choomwell, it's not nonsense at all, a collection is as much copyrightable as the information comprising it19:20
Lantizianot available for download is not available for download... insert reason here... it doesn't mean a thing about it's legality19:20
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fish_stickscan you figure something out from the Xorg pastebin?19:20
Choomif it's not available for download it's not being officially distributed19:20
chem|stfish_sticks: I have no idea but I chose to have devel and/or SDK stuff active ONLY when I need an explicit package19:21
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Choomnon-official distributions are strictly forbidden unless the licenses allow otherwise19:21
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fish_sticksso you think I should remove it from my repo?19:21
chem|stdeactivate at least19:21
fish_stickswill try after that19:21
chem|stno that wont fix your problem19:22
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fish_sticksso what do you intend is the problem?19:22
chem|stlooks like your input devices have a hickup and I have no idea what causes it or how to fix that19:23
chem|styou may just reflash19:23
chem|stthe kernel modules might be touched... have you any custom kernel installed?19:24
chem|stmight be an hardware issue in the worst case19:24
fish_sticksbut its fine with skype19:24
fish_sticksdid a few video calls19:24
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fish_sticksand I did manage to do a couple of sim calls without it crashing19:25
chem|stLantizia: please give a link where it is stated that the file is freely redistributable... so you claim19:25
fish_stickschem|st, you think flashing will solve the problem?19:25
chem|stLantizia: just because the legal note of previous releases do state does not include new releases by default19:26
Lantiziachem|st, I have not said I've read it is freely re distributable but dispute your claim that it is not as you have nothing to back that claim either19:26
chem|stfish_sticks: if it doesnt it might be a hardware issue, you may try with a different sim first if it is still hanging after the reflash19:26
fish_sticksi tried that19:27
fish_sticksits restarting on both my sims19:27
Lantiziachem|st, however you can see this file is mentioned as distributable if you get the nokia care file RX-51_Vanilla_10.2010.19.1_v4.0.exe19:27
chem|stLantizia: I do not need to proof that internal and company distributed files are not automatically free to distribute globaly...19:27
Lantiziaor even RX-51_CARE_10.2010.19.1_v7.0.exe which specifically mentions it as it has the PR 1.2 uk release in it too19:29
chem|stthen please explain why it is not available for public?19:29
Lantizianegligence most likely19:29
Lantiziaemmc is always overlooked19:29
chem|stwhere do you get those from?19:29
Lantiziathey're on the nokia fds19:30
RurouniJonesHrmm, my N900 has decided to stop connecting to my home wireless network. Are there any log files I can have a look at that would give some more information about why it cannot connect?19:31
Lantiziai don't see why I'm arguing this with you since you obviously don't have access anyway19:31
LantiziaI imagine you've no official standing with either maemo or nokia19:31
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chem|stLantizia: link please19:32
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frals"nokia fds" = ?19:33
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chem|stLantizia: you are looking at #maemo for official nokians who give you access to those files... good luck!19:34
Lantiziafrals, the server that hosts all the files that pc suite uses and the phone itself uses to self update19:34
chem|stfrals: I was wondering as I cannot find anything on the servers I got access to...19:35
LantiziaFor example the UK PR 1.3 for vodaphone is here...
chem|stLantizia: nokia fds is not a single server19:35
Lantiziaeven though a) the PR 1.3 isn't on tablets-dev for UK and b) vodaphone haven't even released their version of it!19:35
LantiziaUK PR 1.3 is also on there, dispite the tablets-dev not having it - negligence like I said19:35
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Lantiziaand I don't see the harm in the UK emmc for UK users who want to just restore the phone to -"COMPLETE"- defaults including the emmc that has the maps built in!19:36
chem|stLantizia: so we are on nds2 for the start19:36
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crashanddie~seen libra19:37
infobotlibra <> was last seen on IRC in channel #elive, 328d 13m 31s ago, saying: 'so werd mal wieder > bye'.19:38
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* frals slaps NooBmonk3y around a bit with a large trout19:40
NooBmonk3yfrals you alive?19:41
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CutMeOwnThroat... may wish he isn't after the trout19:41
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fish_stickschem|st, think I solved the problem.deleted rotate daemon.think that was causing the problem19:47
Lantiziafile... want... rawr... *RAGE*19:48
Lantiziawill likely ask tomorrow :)19:49
NooBmonk3ylol CutMeOwnThroat19:50
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crashanddiedamn this channel is quiet20:54
* timeless_mbp needs help repartitioning20:55
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GAN900crashanddie, we don't want to talk to you.20:58
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crashanddieGAN900: well, I figured that much, considering how much you've been ignoring me20:59
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* pupnik is still enjoying the orange juice dig on europe21:02
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pupnikfinally i know some food variety that is poor quality here21:02
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* NooBmonk3y prods lcuk 21:09
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GAN900pupnik, need to try real roadside Florida orange juice sometime.21:09
GAN900pupnik, nectar of the gods.21:10
* NooBmonk3y blinks21:10
GAN900pupnik, I'm of the opinion that your sausage has the consistency of soggy bread, too.21:11
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lcukoh hi NooBmonk3y21:11
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NooBmonk3yevening :) :)21:16
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NooBmonk3ylcuk, Finally got qtmobility working, and now healthcheck is on the go!! wohoooooooo21:16
NooBmonk3yit doesnt have everything i need, but its going well :)21:17
pupniksausage would be local to dublin.  orange juice in .eu is probably bottom-drawer because it's not a native food21:18
lcuk\o/ NooBmonk3y21:18
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GAN900pupnik, sausage was just as bad in BCN, so dunno where it falls.21:21
GAN900Their pork was excellent otherwise, though.21:21
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GAN900pupnik, meat has been poor compared to the US.21:22
lcukGAN900, BCN had kangaroo meat21:23
lcukit was delicious21:23
DocScrutinizerpupnik: oranges no native food in Europe?21:24
DocScrutinizerpupnik: even in Spain?21:24
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derfAs long as you pretend places like Spain, Greece, and Italy aren't in Europe.21:25
GAN900A fat, juicy American cheeseburger and a heaping mound of fried21:28
GAN900That was what I was missing.21:28
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DocScrutinizererrr, no McD or BC around where you were?21:30
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GAN900Sure, but that's not American meat21:30
GAN900and not any good21:30
GAN900Local burger joint.21:30
GAN900with quality ground beef.21:31
DocScrutinizerhmm, yep21:31
DocScrutinizerthough Scottish beef is rather top notch21:31
DocScrutinizerIrish as well21:32
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GAN900Dunno if it competes with Texas.21:32
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DocScrutinizerat least it'sa better than Argentinian Angus21:33
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ieatlintbastards are making me hungry21:34
DocScrutinizerme too :-/21:34
ieatlinta good burger isn't cheap either :(21:34
ieatlint~$12 around here21:34
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pupniki keep forgetting spaniards DocScrutinizer ... what is that place, a nature preserve?21:35
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DocScrutinizerGAN900: usually beef you get here in Germany is a side product of milk production: 10 year old cows that never were 'optimized' for meat quality21:40
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DocScrutinizerIrish Galloway OTOH is never seeing a stable and lives on the Irish greens al day and night until you eta them (at least that's what it's supposed to be like)21:43
NooBmonk3yooo btw lcuk .... just about to server up a slow cooked gammon joint, been 13 hours on slow cook! :)21:44
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DocScrutinizerDARN! 5 slices of salami is all I got and can eat now21:46
jacekowskiDocScrutinizer: go to shop21:47
jacekowskior order something from chinese place21:47
jacekowskithese are open almost all the time21:47
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lcukNooBmonk3y, sounds delicious21:51
Choomis there a way to provide a token to the SDK installation GUI or does it really have to generate a new one every time I try to install it?21:52
DocScrutinizerChoom: last time I checked there was no way NOT to supply the token taken from some email or similar, iirc21:53
Choomhmm, it's not asking for an email or anything like that21:54
Choomit just asks me to enter a code and then generates a token21:54
Choomand it goes like that every time I visit that page21:54
ieatlintby code do you mean your imei?21:54
Choomthing is, I believe I underestimated the SDK's storage requirements21:54
Choomand created a VM with 8GB of storage21:54
Choomieatlint: no21:55
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DocScrutinizeryeah, probably too small :-(21:55
ChoomI'm talking about the token generated in this page:
NooBmonk3ylol doc]21:56
NooBmonk3ysorry mail order slow cooked meat, doesnt seem to work too well :P21:56
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NooBmonk3yeeeek chips, brb21:56
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lcukNooBmonk3y, tracy started making Christmas cake21:57
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DocScrutinizerjr@halley:~> du -sh /scratchbox/21:57
DocScrutinizer4,2G    /scratchbox/21:57
Choomjps@ubuntu:~$ df -h21:58
ChoomFilesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on21:58
Choom/dev/sda1 7.5G 6.0G 1.2G 84% /21:58
DocScrutinizerlcuk: yummy, cake21:58
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Choomit just finished installing21:59
derfraam scratchbox # du -hcsx /opt/scratchbox/21:59
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pupniki just found out it's Saturday22:04
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DocScrutinizerI just found out it's meaningless to me, except for shops being closed tomorrow22:07
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NooBmonk3ylcuk, mandy started in january lol!22:11
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NooBmonk3y18 in the cupboard, and 12 in the larder.... meh22:11
NooBmonk3ypity i dont like christmas cake :P22:11
NooBmonk3yand she's now 15 mins late for dinner loL!22:12
NooBmonk3yaghhhh slow cooked food doesnt like heating up :(22:12
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lcukit does22:12
lcukit just never tastes the same again22:12
NooBmonk3ylol true22:12
NooBmonk3yhoney basted slow cooked gammon, home made chips, double yoke eggs, grrrrrrrr22:13
Lantiziahey since you can make the /home partition bigger just by running something like...  sed -i 's/size = 2048;/size = 8192;/' RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin22:13
lcukship it to me22:13
lcukthat sounds nice :P22:13
NooBmonk3yhahaha, will probably be warmer then when she gets back lol22:13
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Lantiziayou could also make the swap partition bigger... any point do you think?22:13
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lcukshould i put on a dress and come round to yours22:13
NooBmonk3yoh baby, its a date22:13
NooBmonk3yand theres home made chocolate she made for pudding22:14
NooBmonk3ypeppermint creams, hazelnut whips, and a whole load of others22:14
NooBmonk3yooo btw, whens the next #meegoconf? may?22:14
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lcuktheres a number of summits in different locations of the world22:16
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lcukNooBmonk3y, you know your meal sounds amazing tonight :) I do not know how she could be late for it :P22:17
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unixSnobNokia needs to come up with a better way to do authentication22:22
unixSnobentering a long password using grafitti sucks22:22
unixSnoband it sucks even more trying to tap it out w/ onscreen keyboard22:22
* timeless_mbp doesn't think we support grafitti22:23
GAN900Hooray hardware keyboard?22:24
unixSnobit needs a fingerprint reader22:24
unixSnobyou mean fat fingering a tiny keyboard?  screw that22:25
kerioGAN900: maybe he just thought the n900 was "bulky"22:25
NooBmonk3ylcuk, just reaalised she text me at 7:50 saying be back at 8:30........22:25
unixSnoba good password looks like this: egrser%G$h6544t34dreg33$54tr3^#%#%%^gfg22:25
NooBmonk3yi better go warm it up :P hehehe22:25
unixSnobtry doing that with the hardware keyboard.. I bet it tedious22:26
kerioʇɐɥʇ ʇɐǝq - pɹoʍssɐd ʎɯ sı sıɥʇ22:27
timeless_mbpunixSnob: for a mobile device...22:27
timeless_mbpa good password is probably your walking pace22:27
timeless_mbpor something similar22:28
timeless_mbpand should just unlock your ssh key22:28
unixSnobkerio: how the heck did you do that?  I didn't know the chars existed22:28
lcukwindows 7 has a security login/facial recognition thing22:28
lcuki managed to login to hopbeats computer with a photo of him taken on my n90022:28
keriounixSnob: unicode is magical!22:28
timeless_mbpunicode is awesome22:28
unixSnobfreenode would not let me use the nick ʇɐɥʇʇɐǝq22:30
unixSnobhmm.. also rejected qouSxıun22:32
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DocScrutinizerlcuk: HAHAHA :-D22:34
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unixSnoba good pic of someones ear will work in the near future, IMO22:36
unixSnobears are better than fingerprints22:36
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* trumee shopping on eats up N900 cpu like a cake.22:39
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lollooare you serious unixSnob22:40
MrSlawekPprzepraszam, a gdzie mowia po polsku ?22:41
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DocScrutinizerdamn, is that Polish or Ferengi or spelled backwards?22:43
jacekowskiit's polish22:43
jacekowskiMrSlawekP: nie, tutaj bija22:44
MrSlawekPto przepraszam, ide szukac dzies inndziej.22:44
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crashanddiekeep alternate languages to a minimum22:44
djszapiis there a doc viewer on fremantle by default ?22:44
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lolloohi HisMajesty22:46
djszapibecause there is a pdf viewer, so what should I install, what do you prefer ?22:46
DocScrutinizerlolloo: who's HisMajesty?22:46
lolloosorry DocScrutinizer , in another channel.22:47
lollooI typed in wrong window hehehe22:47
DocScrutinizeraah, thought it's been addressed to somebody here :-D Would fit as well22:47
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djszapikoffice seems to be fair enough.22:51
trumeewhat about openoffice?22:52
djszapidunno, never tried.22:53
trumeethere is one in easy debian. Beast to start though.22:53
unixSnoblolloo: yes, I was reading about it recently.. ears are more unique than fingerprints, and ear shape doesn't change significantly over time22:54
djszapihow can I get internet connection via the usb network on my N900, to download and install the packages directly on the phone ?22:54
unixSnoband ears are not generally rubbed off if someone has a job working with their hands22:54
djszapiI do not have wi-fi connection here, that is why I am thinking of the usb network.22:54
lolloowow intresting22:55
Mekthere is freoffice in extras-devel, which is a koffice based office viewer/editor22:55
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djszapiwhat is wrong about koffice ?22:56
Mekhmm? nothing; freoffice is just a maemo UI on top of koffice22:56
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trumeeMek, does it work well?22:57
djszapiMek: should the koffice not work alone ?22:57
Mekin some ways it works quite well, in other areas it has shortcomings22:57
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Mekdjszapi: well, the UI doesn't really work that well on such a small screen, but sure22:57
trumeedjszapi, usb networking works a treat.22:58
djszapiyour mean ?22:58
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trumeedjszapi, although i could not work out bluetooth networking.22:59
djszapiI do not use bluetooth network connection22:59
trumeei wanted my laptop internet to feed to N900, wasnt straightforward22:59
djszapiwhat was wrong about that ?22:59
trumeejust couldnt work that out. most of the howtos talk about using N900 as the host. i wanted the reverse.23:00
trumeeeventually, i settled with usb networking23:01
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FIQ|n900quick question: the FTP port; is it 21?23:09
* Lantizia nods23:09
FIQ|n900oh nvm23:10
FIQ|n900got it now23:10
djszapiMek: is freoffice stable enough ?23:12
Mekdjszapi: for what? try it out and judge if it is good enough for your uses...23:14
djszapifor usage...23:14
djszapiwhat else...23:14
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Mekwell, I don't know what kind of usage you'll have...23:15
Mekso really, try it out and judge for your self23:15
djszapihow can you advice anything if you do not know whether it is stable enough....23:15
djszapino, I will not sorry.23:15
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MekI never adviced anything, I merely pointed to it as an option of a maemo office viewer/editor23:16
djszapik, dropped :)23:16
jacekowskiwell, there is OO.o23:16
djszapiI do not find OO.23:18
djszapiin extra-devel at least :)23:18
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Mekand afaik freoffice is basically your only option for an office viewer/editor with an UI that is actually usable on a phone...23:18
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djszapiI am not sure...23:19
djszapimore people mentioned OO and I also found other recommandations with google.23:19
djszapiso the world is not black and white :)23:20
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pupnik   3D Drucker - Sammelbestellung!23:20
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djszapiok, freffice crashes immediately after I try to launch, so -1 ...23:21
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MohammadAGalterego, ping23:45
DocScrutinizerjacekowski: beware to advice anything that you know will have any issues23:45
jacekowskiDocScrutinizer: why?23:46
jacekowskiit's funny to see small lusers struggle with crappy software23:46
MohammadAGalterego, I was thinking of making an alternative phone app23:46
MohammadAGplainly cause the native one sucks balls23:47
DocScrutinizerjacekowski: because here are users that think they hold the whole channel as their busyboys23:47
* NooBmonk3y prods MohammadAG with a large frals shaped trout23:47
DocScrutinizerjacekowski: ... and give "advice" like "there's plenty, just look!" when somebody is asking for a good book about coding, while they think they are entitled to a full usability report on all available office apps when they ask23:49
* MohammadAG stabs NooBmonk3y 23:50
* NooBmonk3y thinks that is rather harsh23:51
MohammadAGi used a plastic knife23:51
NooBmonk3ystill harsh!23:51
NooBmonk3yMohammadAG, healthcheck is back on its way :) qtmobility is working, ish23:52
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