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| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: it's not bsi that bme is looking for before shuting down phone | 00:05 |
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| cehteh | grr power46 gives reboot loop fsck | 00:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | anybody knows how to earn a fortune? | 00:07 |
| jacekowski | steal | 00:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | or debug cam apps :-P | 00:08 |
| jacekowski | ? | 00:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | [2010-11-19 22:55:08] <dreamer> anyone know how to debug the camera-apps? | 00:08 |
| dreamer | :o | 00:09 |
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| dreamer | well no idea if it's the apps or the camera, but both the default app as well as bless900 crash immediately | 00:09 |
| alterego | Hrm, mayhbe using a Qt model was a bad idea. | 00:09 |
| alterego | Probaly the kernel | 00:10 |
| alterego | ~probably .. | 00:10 |
| alterego | Flash stock kernel | 00:10 |
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| crashanddie | RST38h: you russian? | 00:24 |
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| RST38h | crashanddie: no, I am oodmoortian | 00:26 |
| RST38h | whaddayawant? | 00:26 |
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| andax | o_O Root filesystem has 0kB available... :/ | 00:46 |
| trem | nite all, sweet dreams | 00:46 |
| andax | nite trem | 00:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer | dreamer: now that's a lil bit more like a question you can hope to receive an answer | 01:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer | dreamer: check if your kernel's cam drivers are compatible. I.E. fcam's drivers known to not work with PR1.3 kernel for quite some time, until updated. I'd bet BlessN900 is even worse | 01:07 |
| dreamer | DocScrutinizer: yeah well, not sure what to do -_- | 01:07 |
| dreamer | the came worked fine with this kernel up until a week ago or something | 01:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | unistall BlessN900, then reinstall pr1.3 kernel&modules. that'S the abstract description of what to do | 01:07 |
| dreamer | k, I'll see what happens | 01:08 |
| dreamer | but both bless900 and the regular app worked just fine | 01:08 |
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| Turski | have you been messing with things? | 01:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, then probably a bit stained | 01:09 |
| dreamer | not anything particularly :P | 01:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-P | 01:09 |
| dreamer | but I'll do what you said DocScrutinizer, didn't really use bless900 anyway | 01:09 |
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| dreamer | the hdr isn't even full res ;) | 01:09 |
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| pupnik | lardman_: definitely for you http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=av7geCKSGuc | 01:12 |
| pupnik | [ Ar.Drone autonomous navigation using image recognition ] | 01:12 |
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| lardman_ | pupnik: that does look cool :) | 01:17 |
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| lardman_ | anyway night all | 01:18 |
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| dreamer | DocScrutinizer: how do I reinstall a kernel? (btw, using the enhanced kernel) | 01:18 |
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| BCMM | has anyone worked around the prohibition on using fmtx with an audio cable plugged in? | 01:21 |
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| crashanddie | I just convinced my mother, a musician who has her name on about 18 different CDs and a few DVDs, that the current copyright and royalty system is broken. | 01:21 |
| BCMM | i'm trying to transmit an externel audio source through the n900 | 01:22 |
| kerio | >implying the labels aren't the only ones making money so the artists already know that | 01:22 |
| test34 | crashanddie, now tell her to do something about it | 01:22 |
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| crashanddie | test34: don't think it's her fight | 01:22 |
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| crashanddie | kerio: that sentence didn't make sense to me | 01:23 |
| test34 | crashanddie, it's everybody's fight;) | 01:23 |
| jacekowski | BCMM: i did | 01:23 |
| crashanddie | test34: true, but she's a veteran, she's entitled to skip this one | 01:23 |
| test34 | is maemo going to get replaced? | 01:24 |
| crashanddie | hasn't it already? | 01:24 |
| WakiMiko | does anyone know what the ._ file in the mydocs folder is good for? | 01:24 |
| test34 | crashanddie, yeah I was just kidding.. | 01:24 |
| crashanddie | WakiMiko: not unless you tell what's in it | 01:24 |
| BCMM | jacekowski: how? | 01:24 |
| jacekowski | BCMM: jacekowski.org/Maemo/FMTXD1.3 | 01:25 |
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| WakiMiko | crashanddie: its binary but i can see the string Mac OS X | 01:25 |
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| crashanddie | WakiMiko: file ._ | 01:25 |
| crashanddie | WakiMiko: that's a command | 01:25 |
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| WakiMiko | apple double encoded macintosh file | 01:26 |
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| test34 | thanks crashanddie .. meego I forgot | 01:26 |
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| crashanddie | WakiMiko: oh, it's an OSX file fork | 01:26 |
| andax | crashanddie: the RIAA lies, people prefered CDs after Vinyl because it has the advantage of digital data and even paid more for an album and now the RIAA complains exactly because of the same advantages | 01:26 |
| BCMM | also, how do you find out what's plugged into the AV socket, and can you override the detection? | 01:27 |
| crashanddie | andax: way to troll and not be constructive. You're asserting a bunch of things without really providing value or context. | 01:27 |
| WakiMiko | whats it do? | 01:27 |
| WakiMiko | contain icons when pluggin on a mac? | 01:27 |
| WakiMiko | plugged in* | 01:27 |
| andax | Why did we pay more then? the production costs are even lower for CDs | 01:27 |
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| crashanddie | WakiMiko: not really, if I understand it correctly, it's used to allow a file to be accessed by multiple processes at the same time | 01:28 |
| jacekowski | BCMM: dbus | 01:28 |
| jacekowski | BCMM: and i don't know | 01:28 |
| crashanddie | WakiMiko: if you're not using the mac anymore, you should be free to delete it -- also ensure that you always properly eject the n900 before ripping out the usb cord | 01:28 |
| WakiMiko | im gonna get rid of it := | 01:28 |
| jacekowski | BCMM: probably yes | 01:28 |
| jacekowski | BCMM: well, most likely yes | 01:28 |
| WakiMiko | alright, thanks | 01:28 |
| jacekowski | BCMM: but i never looked into it | 01:29 |
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| BCMM | see, i'm trying to plug the n900 into an electric guitar... | 01:29 |
| BCMM | and i'm not sure it will autodetect it properly | 01:29 |
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| BCMM | talking of dbus, i'm a kde user and used to qdbus. is qdbus packed for maemo? | 01:30 |
| jacekowski | no | 01:31 |
| BCMM | oh | 01:31 |
| jacekowski | BCMM: DocScrutinizer may know something about detection of what is plugged in | 01:31 |
| BCMM | jacekowski: is that a different fixed fmtx from the one i'm using already? | 01:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | crashanddie: I just had a lengthy query with gan about DRM and TC. I said you're not one of the proponents - I'm right? | 01:32 |
| pupnik | there should be a gstreamer anti-shake video plugin | 01:32 |
| jacekowski | BCMM: i'm not sure what you are using already | 01:32 |
| BCMM | i think MohammadAG gave me the link. it fixes boost, but still doesn't work with headphones | 01:32 |
| BCMM | jacekowski: i need to log better... | 01:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | BCMM: I don't see any 6.3mm receptacle on N900 :-D | 01:33 |
| crashanddie | DocScrutinizer: what part of "I managed to convince her the current copyright and royalty system is broken" puts you in doubt? | 01:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | none, actually | 01:33 |
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| BCMM | DocScrutinizer: ah! but i have slightly nice headphones! | 01:33 |
| crashanddie | I'm fairly opposed to making people pay for digital copies of things | 01:33 |
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| jacekowski | BCMM: that's not done in fmtxd | 01:34 |
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| BCMM | and all sliightly nice headphones seem to come with a needlessly gold-plated adaptor | 01:34 |
| crashanddie | heck, I'm working on getting my company to step selling our main product and rely on SAAS and PS revenue models | 01:34 |
| jacekowski | BCMM: it's PA messing with things | 01:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | I just was wondering once more how stskeeps and other meego zealots can support security framework and ignore what it *really* will get us | 01:34 |
| jacekowski | BCMM: gold plating is cheap | 01:34 |
| BCMM | jacekowski: what isn't? the power level thing? | 01:34 |
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| BCMM | jacekowski: i know :) | 01:35 |
| jacekowski | BCMM: fmtxd ignores headphones | 01:35 |
| BCMM | also, audiophiles don't | 01:35 |
| jacekowski | BCMM: but pulseaudio still gets info | 01:35 |
| jacekowski | BCMM: and starts sending signal to headphones instead of fmtxd | 01:35 |
| BCMM | maplin typically charges the same for gold plated and steel versions of things | 01:36 |
| BCMM | jacekowski: i'm lost now. | 01:36 |
| jacekowski | because they overcharge | 01:36 |
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| jacekowski | it is cheaper to use steel stuff | 01:36 |
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| jacekowski | but it's like 50p on cable that costs £3-4 | 01:36 |
| jacekowski | at most | 01:36 |
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| BCMM | jacekowski: they do a bit, but it demonstrates that it's a small expense | 01:37 |
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| DocScrutinizer | meego + security framework == andoid milestone minus java | 01:37 |
| dreamer | which security framework? selinux? ;) | 01:37 |
| BCMM | jacekowski: i got a bit confused back there. the thing i'm using is a modified ko, not a modified daemon | 01:37 |
| jacekowski | BCMM: you need modified daemon | 01:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | dreamer: selinux would be awesome. No, TPM | 01:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | alias trusted computing | 01:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | aka the hoofed one | 01:38 |
| BCMM | ah, i don't log irc, but i do have bash_history | 01:38 |
| BCMM | http://mohammadag.xceleo.org/public/maemo/PR1.3/fmtx-si4713.ko | 01:38 |
| BCMM | is what i have | 01:38 |
| jacekowski | that's unlocked module | 01:38 |
| jacekowski | that's power stuff | 01:38 |
| BCMM | <3 wget | 01:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | BCMM: pov.it is logging irc | 01:39 |
| gustavoferreira | ~paste | 01:39 |
| infobot | i heard paste is http://pastebin.org/ or http://bin.cakephp.org/ or http://pastebin.ca/ | 01:39 |
| dreamer | DocScrutinizer: what is that? some kind of drm stuff? | 01:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | also infobot is logging irc | 01:39 |
| jacekowski | BCMM: you need http://maemo.jacekowski.org/binary/fmtxd1.3 | 01:39 |
| dreamer | DocScrutinizer: oh so btw, how do I reinstall the enhanced kernel? ;) | 01:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trusted_Computing | 01:39 |
| dreamer | DocScrutinizer: yeah found it | 01:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trusted_Platform_Module | 01:39 |
| MohammadAG | TPM is so shit | 01:40 |
| MohammadAG | ty | 01:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | ask jacekowski about how it's already in place inside OMAP SoC | 01:40 |
| BCMM | jacekowski: anyway, what i was getting at was, "will that work ok with the modified kernel module" | 01:40 |
| gustavoferreira | xD i was testing infobot, sorry. btw, where can i find a full list of inbot "commands"? | 01:40 |
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| BCMM | and do i still need the modified kernel module? | 01:40 |
| jacekowski | BCMM: no | 01:40 |
| jacekowski | BCMM: but you can leave it | 01:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer | and now meego implements the sw framework to put it to full purpose, so your device is owned by Nokia/Ti even while you paid for it | 01:41 |
| BCMM | in future, i'll try not to come on irc when i'm sleepy and appear not to know the difference between a daemon and a kernel | 01:41 |
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| dreamer | DocScrutinizer: :( | 01:41 |
| BCMM | thing is, being fully awake makes plugging a guitar into an n900 seem less fun | 01:42 |
| dreamer | DocScrutinizer: I was hoping meego would be sweet, but I guess I'm stuck to maemo :P | 01:42 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: i've read a doc stating that m-shield and all that stuff isn't real | 01:42 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: it's all implemented in software | 01:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | hahaha | 01:42 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: using just firewalls that omap supports | 01:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | does it really matter? fact is we can't replace xldr | 01:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | and now they're going to ramp it up | 01:44 |
| jacekowski | we can | 01:44 |
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| jacekowski | just don't know how | 01:44 |
| BCMM | jacekowski: since i'm being stupid right now, i'll ask: that's suppose to replace /usr/sbin/fmtxd, right? | 01:44 |
| jacekowski | BCMM: yes | 01:44 |
| BCMM | thanks | 01:45 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: but to go out of HS mode all you have to do is disconnect one pad from pcb | 01:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: wasn't that you who told me we can replace it but it won't boot, as we don't have the proper key to sign it | 01:45 |
| jacekowski | yes | 01:45 |
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| jacekowski | but there has to be weakness somewhere | 01:45 |
| jacekowski | there always is | 01:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | and even IF we could replace it, we couldn't fake the 'TPM' into pretending the chain of trust is intact. So no secure mode on a system with your custom kernel, no Nokia media player running on such a system without intact secure mode... etc etc | 01:47 |
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| jacekowski | but if it's disabled | 01:48 |
| jacekowski | we can emulate it | 01:48 |
| SpeedEvil | There does not have to be an exploitable weakness. | 01:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | no updates from Nokia repositories for such a system. No purchase in OVI store. No phone calls | 01:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: you can't as you don't have the built-in key | 01:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: parts of Nokia media player code stored in a crypted format that can be decoded only by the TPM | 01:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | you lose | 01:50 |
| jacekowski | if it runs it can be cracked | 01:50 |
| MohammadAG | crashanddie, played Never gonna say no(?) today | 01:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer | no, as you don't have the tools to crack it | 01:50 |
| BCMM | thanks jacekowski, works. | 01:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | those tools don't work on a secure system | 01:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-P | 01:51 |
| crashanddie | MohammadAG: hmm? | 01:51 |
| MohammadAG | crashanddie, song by hushpuppies (on GH) | 01:51 |
| BCMM | DocScrutinizer: that sounds pretty ei | 01:51 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: well, program has to be decrypted | 01:51 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: and stored in memory | 01:51 |
| BCMM | gah | 01:51 |
| SpeedEvil | jacekowski: If it runs, it can be cracked. | 01:51 |
| crashanddie | MohammadAG: you're gonna say yeah? | 01:51 |
| BCMM | pretty evil, are you talking about the n900? | 01:51 |
| SpeedEvil | jacekowski: But it can in principle be locked in on-die RAM | 01:51 |
| jacekowski | SpeedEvil: i just said thta | 01:51 |
| MohammadAG | crashanddie, i swear i saw that as never in the title lol | 01:52 |
| SpeedEvil | jacekowski: And cracking that is tricky. | 01:52 |
| MohammadAG | crashanddie, and yes | 01:52 |
| MohammadAG | was the guitarist | 01:52 |
| crashanddie | MohammadAG: heh, I thought it was only in the french version | 01:52 |
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| DocScrutinizer | you can't crack anything on a Ipod nano | 01:52 |
| SpeedEvil | Even probing the RAM is fun on a POP | 01:52 |
| crashanddie | DocScrutinizer: you can crack the screen | 01:52 |
| MohammadAG | crashanddie, smashing hits I think | 01:53 |
| jacekowski | ipod nano? | 01:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | as well you can't crack anything on a N900 with meego in secure mode, as secure mode means you can't run gdb, strace, anything | 01:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: ipod nano as a synonym for a system lacking all tools | 01:53 |
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| SpeedEvil | No system lacks all tools. | 01:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | a secure system does | 01:54 |
| SpeedEvil | Electron microscopes, disencapsulation, ... are tools too. | 01:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah, haha | 01:55 |
| BCMM | DocScrutinizer: isn't that like saying you can't crack iOS? | 01:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | nope, not really | 01:55 |
| SpeedEvil | And for example, one way to get the key for TPM is to parachute drop a company of mercenries on Nokia HQ. | 01:55 |
| BCMM | can we donate to that effort somewhere? | 01:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: actually obe of the more feasible ways, yes | 01:55 |
| jacekowski | obe? | 01:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | one | 01:56 |
| BCMM | order of the british empire | 01:56 |
| jacekowski | well, thing is that this key is stored only in one place | 01:56 |
| jacekowski | computer where xloader is signed | 01:57 |
| jacekowski | or server | 01:57 |
| jacekowski | or wherever | 01:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | I doubt they have zero backups | 01:57 |
| jacekowski | so you have backu | 01:57 |
| jacekowski | backup* | 01:57 |
| jacekowski | but backups are probably encrypted | 01:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | LOL | 01:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | good one | 01:58 |
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| DocScrutinizer | yeah, you bet they should be | 01:58 |
| BCMM | y'know, the original is probably encrypted too | 01:58 |
| jacekowski | so you have to get key from signing computer | 01:58 |
| jacekowski | BCMM: nah | 01:59 |
| jacekowski | ti code signing toolkit can't sign with encrypted keys | 01:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer | we'll have to bribe the sysop :-P | 02:00 |
| BCMM | so does the n900 have a tpm? | 02:00 |
| jacekowski | cleaner | 02:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | BCMM: yes | 02:00 |
| BCMM | gah, didn't know that | 02:00 |
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| pupnik | will some carriers insist on a TPM'd meego? | 02:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | you bet they will | 02:01 |
| jacekowski | BCMM: you don't know a lot of things | 02:01 |
| pupnik | i hope a full price version will be free | 02:01 |
| BCMM | jacekowski: seems so | 02:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer | pupnik: there's no such thing like a free version | 02:01 |
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| * pupnik looks guilty | 02:01 | |
| DocScrutinizer | a system is either in secure state or in open state | 02:01 |
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| pupnik | i mean open | 02:01 |
| BCMM | as an intentional addition, or as part of omap? | 02:02 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: it's more complicated than that | 02:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | in open state secured apps will refuse to run | 02:02 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: it can run different applications | 02:02 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: some in secure mode some in free mode | 02:02 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: in "parallel" | 02:02 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: and just pass information between zones | 02:02 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: that's what trustzone is for | 02:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes, as long as the "free" apps have no perms to mess with the "secure" ones | 02:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer | in which trustzone will gdb run? :-P | 02:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | or any app that read from /proc/kmem? | 02:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | or ethereal? | 02:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | or or or | 02:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: It's actually even much more complex | 02:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer | but doesn't change the basic proposition | 02:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | which is: nobody except (C)-owners loves a "secure" system | 02:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | as "security" in this context means the app is secured from you , not you and your apps are secured from the rogue world | 02:07 |
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| DocScrutinizer | the concept goes like "the virus is gaining root and then does bad things, so we forbid anybody to gain root rights and no virus will do that" | 02:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's a LAME concept | 02:09 |
| ds3 | drivers are causing accidents and does bad things, so we forbid anybody to drive and no one will get hurt. ;) | 02:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | the true purpose is they want to ban things like recording video streams from youtube, playback of DVDs without proper player app that has a valid official key, reverse engineering of any commercial software, whatever | 02:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | TPM and security framework are not for *your* security, they are for security of big business | 02:12 |
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| ds3 | now apply the same reasoning to STDs ;) | 02:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5115609628556940516&q=trusted+computing# | 02:16 |
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| tybollt | DocScrutinizer: amen to that | 02:21 |
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| Termana | good morning | 02:25 |
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| SpeedEvil | http://www.boingboing.net/2010/11/11/tsas-new-book-for-ki.html | 02:43 |
| SpeedEvil | (on security) | 02:43 |
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| pupnik | SpeedEvil: | 02:53 |
| pupnik | http://forum.mikrokopter.de/topic-post252729.html#post252729 8-motor homebuilt copter with DSLR mount for sale | 02:53 |
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| SpeedEvil | yeah | 03:02 |
| SpeedEvil | not really hard to do. | 03:02 |
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| smackpotat | #android | 03:18 |
| luke-jr | smackpotat: you mean #NITdroid? | 03:20 |
| smackpotat | right | 03:21 |
| pupnik | http://www.helibest.net/rc/vh-viewarticle.asp?id=694 very nice very nice new copter from china ~ 300 euro? 400? | 03:22 |
| pupnik | ^ SpeedEvil | 03:22 |
| SpeedEvil | yes - I know - there is cool stuff to buy. | 03:23 |
| pupnik | lol | 03:23 |
| SpeedEvil | I will review the above if you send me 400 euro. | 03:23 |
| pupnik | they are starting to not suck | 03:23 |
| SpeedEvil | And it annoys me that I've been unable to get my UAV setup. | 03:24 |
| pupnik | need waypoint navi and i'm set | 03:24 |
| pupnik | you got one eh | 03:24 |
| pupnik | i've been waiting for a chinese factory to learn how to build a decent one | 03:24 |
| SpeedEvil | Able to fly to 4Km alt on a single charge, take a ten gigapixel pan, and land again in 10 min. And redo every 20 min | 03:25 |
| pupnik | dang | 03:25 |
| pupnik | how many / what type of motors does it have? | 03:26 |
| SpeedEvil | one big one. | 03:26 |
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| SpeedEvil | It's a thrust-vectored, climb-optimised helicopter. | 03:26 |
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| pupnik | do you have a hacked camera that will take continuous pictures while you pan with servos? | 03:29 |
| SpeedEvil | When I hold the button down | 03:29 |
| pupnik | i'd like to give people in hospitals first-person headset flights throught the woods and their home towns and stuff | 03:29 |
| pupnik | i think that'd be a treat | 03:30 |
| joga | wow, cool | 03:30 |
| * SpeedEvil sighs. | 03:30 | |
| * SpeedEvil is currently suffering from wanting to get on with doing something, while having no energy whatsoever. | 03:30 | |
| pupnik | well that's just what i was thinking while i was last in the hospital | 03:31 |
| pupnik | with that horrid tv | 03:31 |
| pupnik | and no 3g reception | 03:31 |
| ds3 | surely, some of the stuff that your nick hints at would help with that ;) | 03:31 |
| pupnik | SpeedEvil: what do you think of the X650 hardware? | 03:32 |
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| joga | I think it would be nice to have a little fly-around while in hospital, it's usually pretty boring and probably helps with pain when you have something else to think about | 03:32 |
| SpeedEvil | pupnik: I have one. | 03:32 |
| SpeedEvil | pupnik: Well - sorta. | 03:32 |
| SpeedEvil | pupnik: Move the 5 over one letter, and turn it upside down. | 03:32 |
| pupnik | would you say it's in the 'good value' category, and is it hackable? | 03:32 |
| pupnik | i don't think i should try DIY | 03:32 |
| SpeedEvil | http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Category:X60s | 03:33 |
| SpeedEvil | diydrones.com | 03:33 |
| pupnik | i like those thinkpads | 03:33 |
| SpeedEvil | should presumably have some opinions. | 03:33 |
| * SpeedEvil sighs. | 03:33 | |
| SpeedEvil | If I had a billion or two spare, somewhere moderately high on the list of things to do would be to get some nice 4:3 laptops made. | 03:34 |
| pupnik | if you recall kotczarny, the guy who got gp2x uae4all running on n800 - he has a great new visualization program for x86 and arm | 03:34 |
| SpeedEvil | vaguely | 03:34 |
| SpeedEvil | I just heard of a _neat_ technique. | 03:34 |
| SpeedEvil | You take an image of a person. | 03:34 |
| pupnik | i got an x200t on closeout for 800 and am real happy with it | 03:35 |
| pupnik | yes? | 03:35 |
| SpeedEvil | Now, you chroma filter that image, and run an analysis of red vs green/blue - using the green/blue channel to noise-cancel. | 03:35 |
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| SpeedEvil | You then run a fft on the red/ (green/blue) ratio. | 03:35 |
| SpeedEvil | And out pops heartrate. | 03:35 |
| pupnik | you are not kidding me? | 03:36 |
| SpeedEvil | Nope. | 03:36 |
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| pupnik | i must be imagining the fft wrong | 03:38 |
| SpeedEvil | http://www.filedump.net/dumped/895157eafd9129e23114dee7de030cd31753961290084603.pdf | 03:38 |
| SpeedEvil | you run the FFT on the noise-reduced averaged skin-tone | 03:38 |
| dreamer | DocScrutinizer: yay, removing bless900 and then rebooting fixed it :) | 03:39 |
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| SpeedEvil | Plethysymographic imaging. | 03:39 |
| SpeedEvil | Awesome word. | 03:39 |
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| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: awesome | 03:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | paper | 03:53 |
| SpeedEvil | It's really simple too - they're not doing anything remotely clever. | 03:53 |
| SpeedEvil | Just FFTing the average colour of a ROI | 03:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | hahaha | 03:53 |
| SpeedEvil | This could be fun. | 03:54 |
| SpeedEvil | Imagine running it against politicians. | 03:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | they should do a bit more clever compensation for moving subjects | 03:54 |
| SpeedEvil | You get a image of parliament, when someone is making an important speech. | 03:54 |
| SpeedEvil | Correlate the heartrate with the points to see who it pisses off and is hiding it. | 03:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | I already was with Clinton, sexual intercourse, and lie detection as done by mossad | 03:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | add this to the somewhat more sophisticated micro gesture detection | 03:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | plus voice stress analysis | 03:56 |
| SpeedEvil | Yeah. | 03:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer | now video surveilance of public places becomes a whole new quality :-P | 03:58 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I doubt you could place a backpack with a bomb somewhere with the same coolness you'd put a bag of litter into an arbitrary bin | 04:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer | probably I'll get shot next time I put a letter to my GF into the postbox :-P | 04:02 |
| SpeedEvil | Beta blockers. | 04:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | good point | 04:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer | meh, out of milk for coffee. Hope my bakery is open now | 04:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | bbl | 04:07 |
| SpeedEvil | I strongly recommend heat-treated milk. | 04:07 |
| SpeedEvil | Modern processes have gotten good enough that the taste is barely noticable. (at least to me) | 04:07 |
| SpeedEvil | I buy milk monthly | 04:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | tastes like shit | 04:08 |
| SpeedEvil | Depends on the process. | 04:08 |
| BCMM | UHT tastes awful to me | 04:08 |
| SpeedEvil | UHT used to taste awful. | 04:08 |
| SpeedEvil | The processing - at least in the UK - has gotten lots better. | 04:08 |
| BCMM | how recently? | 04:08 |
| SpeedEvil | last decade? | 04:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | actually they got better. But - though I'd never expected that - it makes a giant difference, even in coffee. Maybe especially in coffee | 04:09 |
| SpeedEvil | I guess I'm not critical enough, or german milk is different. :) | 04:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | nah, a lot of cheap one around here. The expensive one is remarkably better, but still way off from fresh | 04:10 |
| BCMM | what exactly is uht anyway? isn't pastuerisation supposed to sterilise the milk? | 04:10 |
| SpeedEvil | BCMM: It's milk that you can store for months in the cupboard. | 04:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | depends on temperature. Like 70°, 85°, 90°, even 110° | 04:11 |
| BCMM | SpeedEvil: i know that, but i don't know why | 04:11 |
| SpeedEvil | The temperature profile is the key. | 04:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep | 04:11 |
| SpeedEvil | The old method was to hold it for a long time at a relatively cool temp | 04:11 |
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| SpeedEvil | newer methods hold it for a shorter time but hotter | 04:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | if you heat a tank for 2h, you'll get something worth the drain | 04:12 |
| BCMM | SpeedEvil: is germany one of those countries where milk is UHT "by default"? | 04:12 |
| SpeedEvil | There is pastureised, and UHT, they are different | 04:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | nope | 04:12 |
| BCMM | (like how "normal" UK milk is pastuerised and homogenised) | 04:12 |
| SpeedEvil | pasturised means that it's killed 99% or so of bacteria - it'll last a week in the fridge. | 04:12 |
| SpeedEvil | UHT will last months. | 04:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | we got - few - pasteurized, most of it ESL now, and maybe a thrid is UHT | 04:13 |
| SpeedEvil | (well, years, but it seperates) | 04:13 |
| BCMM | ah, so the difference is due to stuff surviving pasteurisation | 04:13 |
| SpeedEvil | yes | 04:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | ESL is like 85° instead of 70° (or similar), and has 3 times the shelf life | 04:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | of fresh | 04:14 |
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| BCMM | so UHT does go off at a normal rate once it's open? | 04:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer | basically yes | 04:14 |
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| pupnik | ooks like the x650 has some stability problems | 04:23 |
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| cehteh | great week, laptop hdd died, new ssd died too, n900 bricked ... | 05:26 |
| pupnik | ow | 05:30 |
| pupnik | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ok6iiXifxPQ nice HD video from a quadcopter | 05:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer | cehteh: :-/ | 05:46 |
| cehteh | how do i flash the kernel only? .. forgotten the spell | 05:47 |
| cehteh | got it | 05:48 |
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| cehteh | so .. the question is, why did power45 and power46 brick my device ... some incompatible packages | 05:52 |
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| cehteh | guess i deinstall a lot first before trying again | 05:52 |
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| cehteh | even better --- flashing the kernel only didnt fixed it | 06:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ummm | 06:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | there's a known issue with bq27200 drivers | 06:04 |
| cehteh | complete flash? ... | 06:04 |
| luke-jr | there is? | 06:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | there was? | 06:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | has been? | 06:04 |
| luke-jr | really? | 06:04 |
| luke-jr | i thought Nokia just neglected the platform data | 06:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | bq27200 kernel driver occupying the I2C bus, so bme blows chunks | 06:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | power kernel comes with bq27200 drivers, but aiui they're not loaded by default | 06:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | allegedly matan fixed this, by not throwing error on I2c access when a kernel driver already opened that bus | 06:07 |
| cehteh | ok having a brand new n900 now .. well grr | 06:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | dunno if and which powerkernel has that patch | 06:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | the funny thing: usually nobody is noticing any problems, as bme is opening the I2C bus and hapily lives on forever, even when bq27200 driver is loaded after that. But beware of stopping and restarting bme after that! | 06:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | cehteh: you had multiboot? | 06:10 |
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| cehteh | nop | 06:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | multiboot, though a smart hack, is a heap of steaming shit regarding later installation of new kernels | 06:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | cehteh: so I actually am out of ideas what messed up your system | 06:12 |
| cehteh | some application, it booted and just before all desktop icons where displayed it shutdown | 06:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer | :nod: | 06:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | some hw-related widgets? battery-foo? wifi-eye, something else? | 06:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer | though I once had same problem, just by trying to pull foreca from one screen to the other | 06:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | r&d mode wasn't that popular back when, so I had to reflash | 06:15 |
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| cehteh | uhm .. damn ..ham | 06:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | eh? | 06:16 |
| cehteh | no fapman yet | 06:16 |
| cehteh | have to go all the way to reinstall all crap | 06:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | lol | 06:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | use backup, fool! | 06:16 |
| cehteh | i do | 06:16 |
| cehteh | but cough .. | 06:16 |
| cehteh | its on my uSD which is ext4 :P | 06:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | MUHAHAHA | 06:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | nice shot into own foot | 06:17 |
| cehteh | ok fapman installed | 06:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | fapman, meh | 06:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | I got more sophisticated and more funny ways to ruin my system, than just fapman. (what a name!) | 06:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | took fapman some 15 minutes to buy his ticket off my system | 06:20 |
| cehteh | where is the power kernel extras or testing? | 06:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | probably 7 versions in extras, 3 in testing, and 13 in devel | 06:21 |
| cehteh | lol | 06:22 |
| cehteh | you are right | 06:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | honestly, powerkernel isn't exactly the king of pkg I'd install via a graphic installer | 06:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | kind* | 06:23 |
| cehteh | well ... doesnt matter i have to add the repositories in a economic way now | 06:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | there's just a few things I insist on my cmdline to do them | 06:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | one of those things is kernel installation and fapping modules. Another few are mass rm and mv, or sed jobs | 06:26 |
| cehteh | no ssh yet .. and the small keyboard isnt that nice either | 06:26 |
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| DocScrutinizer | mounting :-P | 06:26 |
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| DocScrutinizer | hmm, so maybe ssh metapkg should be the first (or second, after rootsh) to install? | 06:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | not fapman? | 06:27 |
| cehteh | no /opt .. ext4 ... | 06:27 |
| cehteh | first a ext4 kernel | 06:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | seems your recover strategy needs a bit of love to lose some bleeding edges | 06:28 |
| cehteh | yeah | 06:28 |
| cehteh | well and i want to install power46 asap to see if it works .. before loosing too much work again | 06:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | every work done twice is a fool's work | 06:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | I mean that's why I use computers: to get rid of doing same thing repeated times | 06:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | right, luke-jr ? that's why OM recommends using flash-moko11-2.image :-P | 06:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: figue the smile of resellers updating calypso fw of several dozen devices | 06:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | sure, if you want to hurry, you could even use 4 uSD cards concurrently. While you started update on device #4, #1 finished and you can use card #1 in device #5 | 06:38 |
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| DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: btw I think I recall there's been 'sync' mentioned explicitly, to avoid corruption of flashed uSD, after 'dd' | 06:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | if not then please let me know. I take pride in my belief the procedure and instructions are perfect | 06:44 |
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| mveplus | hi | 06:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | I just feel a little embarrassed about mere size of the image | 06:46 |
| mveplus | does someone can point on the right direction? | 06:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | but doing anything about it would have made the whole procedure more complicated | 06:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | mveplus: no | 06:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~ask | 06:48 |
| infobot | Questions in the channel should be specific, informative, complete, concise, and on-topic. Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Don't ask if a person is there; just ask what you intended to ask them. Better questions more frequently yield better answers. We are all here voluntarily or against our will. | 06:48 |
| mveplus | connecting usb2Network adapter with h-e-n and kernel power46, dmesg show the device but node is not created? | 06:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | (I love that last sentence :-D ) | 06:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmmm | 06:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | wasn't there somebody who made it work? | 06:49 |
| mveplus | yes but fallowing his steps leads to nowhere | 06:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | you'd most probably need a proper kernel module to support a usb->ethernet dongle | 06:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | sorry I have no such device, so I'm a bit lost on which module is needed | 06:51 |
| mveplus | because starting #/sbin/udhcpc gave error | 06:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | errrr | 06:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's really rather late a step in setting up an IP connection | 06:53 |
| mveplus | SIOCGIFINDEX filed: No shuch device | 06:53 |
| mveplus | I needet some time to reproduce it now | 06:53 |
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| mveplus | the main problem is that in /dev/ is not ctreated any node for that nea attached usb2net | 06:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | first thing to happen: kernel detect and enumerates new USB device. step 2: proper driver gets loaded -> some new network device shows up in syslog and in #ifconfig | 06:55 |
| mveplus | one is RTL8150 | 06:55 |
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| mveplus | the other adapter is MOSCIP 7830 | 06:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | usually ethenet-dongles are greedy, and won't run properly from N900's 200mA max VBUS power | 06:57 |
| mveplus | the fist step is hapening the device is reportet in dmesg but may be proper driver is not loaded and because of that node is not created | 06:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | or device gets enumerated and then VBUS breaks down, so in dmesg some errors showing up later on? | 06:58 |
| mveplus | I measured the power consumation on both RTL= Imax=131mA | 06:58 |
| mveplus | when it is active | 06:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | good | 06:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | so we need to check if and what module gets loaded, and what it says | 06:58 |
| mveplus | the other one moscip Imax=185mA | 06:58 |
| pupnik | i think i just realized how i can get 4 channels of analog control from a headphone out | 06:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | pupnik: ??? | 06:59 |
| pupnik | well i could build a circuit to split positive and negative voltage on each channel | 06:59 |
| mveplus | how to check which modules are loaded? lsmod? | 06:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | aah, actuator, not sensor | 06:59 |
| pupnik | lsmod | 06:59 |
| pupnik | yea | 07:00 |
| pupnik | DocScrutinizer: why not use a n900 to control a generic quadcopter with the audio headphones | 07:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | maybe because hostmode is much cleaner a solution? | 07:00 |
| pupnik | it can handle the stabilization, n900 can do the gps and 3g/ web-based controling | 07:00 |
| pupnik | oh | 07:01 |
| pupnik | nice | 07:01 |
| mveplus | lsmode, report no modules for 8150 either 7830 or may be they are with different names | 07:01 |
| pupnik | i'd like something that can do waypoints and unattended patrols | 07:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | mveplus: you need to check dmesg/syslog | 07:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | it should tell you which module is loaded. Also a lsmod prior to and after connecting the dongle should help | 07:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | modinfo xyz.ko also is a nice one | 07:02 |
| mveplus | for both devices says: new USB device found...idvendor, idproduct , and product are reported corectly | 07:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | mveplus: after connecting the dongle, next thing is a lsusb I'd think | 07:04 |
| mveplus | will check it now | 07:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | the also a lsusb -v -d vendor:product | 07:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | (check exact syntax, I might be wrong) | 07:05 |
| mveplus | this is the righr syntaxis | 07:08 |
| mveplus | lsusb report details about device what to look for? | 07:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | if it's not reporting device-not-found or any errors, then the device is up and steady | 07:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's good | 07:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | did you notice anything new in lsmod? | 07:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | do you have a linux PC? | 07:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | could you plug in the dongle to linux PC and check there for name of module? | 07:10 |
| mveplus | yes | 07:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | (also if it works at all there, at least) | 07:10 |
| mveplus | tI have linux mint/ubuntu based | 07:10 |
| mveplus | it recognise both and they are just working right away | 07:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | should be good enough | 07:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | do a lsmod >x | 07:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | plug dongle | 07:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | do a lsmod >y | 07:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | diff x y | 07:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, now that you already pluged them before, your modules stay loaded :-P | 07:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | no diffs to be found if you do it again now | 07:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | maybe you can spot the right module in lsmod | 07:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | a modinfo <modname> will make sure it's the right module | 07:13 |
| mveplus | I get it will start over and come with result after a moment | 07:13 |
| mveplus | equal and | 07:19 |
| mveplus | ops that was not for here | 07:20 |
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| mveplus | diff on the first module MOSCIP 7832 does not report any diff | 07:27 |
| mveplus | on the second one RTL8150 report only ipv6 | 07:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | please pastebin lsmod | 07:28 |
| mveplus | so that should mean no suitable module loaded, right? | 07:28 |
| mveplus | paste output here? | 07:29 |
| mveplus | asking because it's long | 07:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer | sorry, disconnected | 07:32 |
| mveplus | <DocScrutinizer> lsmod | 07:33 |
| mveplus | Module Size Used by pn_pep 13184 0 vfat 9600 2 fat 43740 1 vfat sd_mod 20692 0 scsi_mod 82400 1 sd_mod iphb 3300 1 rfcomm 33684 14 panic_info_buff 2820 0 sco 9544 2 l2cap 21060 9 rfcomm ext3 97348 1 omaplfb | 07:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | don't paste here! | 07:34 |
| mveplus | Ops, Sorry | 07:34 |
| mveplus | <DocScrutinizer> Thanks for th ehelp | 07:36 |
| mveplus | I'm writing here for the first time... | 07:37 |
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| DocScrutinizer | mveplus: you said your dongle works fine on PC | 07:40 |
| mveplus | yes | 07:41 |
| mveplus | http://dl.dropbox.com/u/12258575/Losgs/x_with_nodevice_conected | 07:42 |
| mveplus | http://dl.dropbox.com/u/12258575/Losgs/y_h-e-n_MC7832 | 07:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | on N900 did you #ifconfig -a ? | 07:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | minus the ? | 07:42 |
| mveplus | http://dl.dropbox.com/u/12258575/Losgs/z_h-e-n_RTL8150 | 07:42 |
| mveplus | report only these: lo,phonet0,wlan0, wmaster0 | 07:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | mveplus: please also pastebin the dmesg/syslog of h-e-n_RTL8150 | 07:44 |
| mveplus | http://dl.dropbox.com/u/12258575/Losgs/rtl8150 | 07:45 |
| mveplus | http://dl.dropbox.com/u/12258575/Losgs/msc7832 | 07:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer | yes, N900 doesn't load a kernel module. Does your PC load a kernel module? | 07:53 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I.E. what new device shows up on your PC, for #ifconfig -a, after plug in of realtek RTL8150 ? | 07:54 |
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| mveplus | sorry was disconected | 07:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes, N900 doesn't load a kernel module. Does your PC load a kernel module? | 07:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | I.E. what new device shows up on your PC, for #ifconfig -a, after plug in of realtek RTL8150 ? | 07:58 |
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| DocScrutinizer | mveplus: do a #find /sys/devices -name "*$your_device_name*" | 07:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | where $your_device_name is the name of new device as shows up in #ifconfig -a after plugin if realtek to your PC | 07:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | like this: | 08:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | halley:~ # find /sys/devices -name "*eth0*" | 08:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | /sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:04.0/net/eth0 | 08:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | halley:~ # ll /sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:04.0/net/eth0/device/driver | 08:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 0 Nov 20 06:38 /sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:04.0/net/eth0/device/driver -> ../../../bus/pci/drivers/sis190 | 08:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | halley:~ # modinfo sis190 | 08:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | filename: /lib/modules/2.6.31.5-0.1-desktop/kernel/drivers/net/sis190.ko | 08:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | description: SiS sis190/191 Gigabit Ethernet driver | 08:02 |
| mveplus | on a pc load this module >rtl8150 | 08:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | :nod: | 08:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | no surprise | 08:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | so you need this module for N900 | 08:03 |
| mveplus | on the PC show eth3 | 08:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | of course built for maemo, for power kernel | 08:03 |
| mveplus | okey, will try to build it but I do not know if cold do it for N900 | 08:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | you can try a #modprobe rtl8150 | 08:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | but I'm rather sure it's missing the rtl8150.ko | 08:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | ask MohammadAG or titan to build that module for you | 08:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | also the other one | 08:05 |
| mveplus | when I try that get err: FATAL: Module rtl8150 not found. | 08:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep | 08:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | it nonexistent | 08:06 |
| mveplus | yes, now i'm shure, thanks to you! | 08:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | yw | 08:07 |
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| DocScrutinizer | check name of module for MC7832 on your PC, then ask MohammadAG to build rtl8150.ko and mcxyxy.ko for you | 08:09 |
| mveplus | will do that thnak you - for the other is mcs7830.ko | 08:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | mveplus: you should do a 'modinfo rtl8150' and also a modinfo for that other module, on your PC. And add the full output to your request for those modules | 08:13 |
| mveplus | okey that is very helpfull | 08:13 |
| mveplus | will do it | 08:13 |
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| trumee | Guys, how do i resolve this . global name 'QMaemo5ValueButton' is not defined | 08:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | define it :-P | 08:16 |
| trumee | i have already done. "apt-get install python2.5 python2.5-qt4-core pytho2.5-qt4-gui" | 08:16 |
| trumee | i suppose it should bring in all the qt libraries. | 08:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | trumee: had to tell what's missing or odd | 08:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | hard* | 08:17 |
| mveplus | <DocScrutinizer> great hepl - Thank you!!! | 08:17 |
| trumee | DocScrutinizer, crap. dont tell me i need to reflash my phone | 08:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | trumee: QMaemo5ValueButton might be a completely different namespace/domain though. Maybe unrelated to python | 08:19 |
| trumee | is there any other app which relies on QMaemo5ValueButton? | 08:20 |
| trumee | DocScrutinizer, i am trying to run cutetube. | 08:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's really not easy to tell which lib has a particular symbol, if you have no clue who's asking for that symbol and where it's supposed to be | 08:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | trumee: try google | 08:21 |
| trumee | DocScrutinizer, the code references PyQt. is python2.5-qt package same as PyQt? | 08:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | nfc | 08:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | trumee: try google | 08:23 |
| trumee | DocScrutinizer, from PyQt4.QtMaemo5 import QMaemo5ListPickSelector, QMaemo5AbstractPickSelector, QMaemo5InformationBox, QMaemo5ValueButton | 08:29 |
| trumee | DocScrutinizer, seems my PyQt is broken | 08:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | or the name has changed | 08:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | have you asked google? | 08:30 |
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| trumee | yes i did. | 08:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer | make sure there are no unprintable chars in that line | 08:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | delete the name and write it again | 08:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | IroN900:~# python | 08:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | Python 2.5.4 (r254:67916, May 17 2010, 21:00:32) | 08:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | [GCC 4.2.1] on linux2 | 08:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information. | 08:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | >>> from PyQt4.QtMaemo5 import QMaemo5ListPickSelector | 08:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | >>> from PyQt4.QtMaemo5 import QMaemo5ValueButton | 08:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | >>> | 08:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's still a 1.2 system though | 08:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | nfc if that's another present of qt4.7 or whatever that new crap is called | 08:36 |
| trumee | from PyQt4.QtMaemo5 import QMaemo5ValueButton | 08:37 |
| trumee | ImportError: No module named QtMaemo5 | 08:37 |
| trumee | is what i get! | 08:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | so there you are | 08:38 |
| trumee | my phone is PR1.3. | 08:39 |
| trumee | so why dont i have PyQt? i did install all the python-qt4 libraries. | 08:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | your version of PyQt4 has no QtMaemo5, or you don't even have (access to) PyQt4 | 08:40 |
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| trumee | from PyQt4 import *, works ok. | 08:42 |
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| DocScrutinizer | //usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/PyQt4 | 08:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | help() | 08:44 |
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| trumee | DocScrutinizer, solved! | 08:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | PyQt4 | 08:44 |
| trumee | apt-get install python2.5-qt4-maemo5 | 08:45 |
| trumee | DocScrutinizer, thanks | 08:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | yw | 08:45 |
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| RobbieThe1st | Hello | 10:00 |
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| tr4sk | Hu | 10:35 |
| tr4sk | hi | 10:35 |
| tr4sk | How can I format completly my N900 ? | 10:35 |
| kerio | tr4sk: flash both COMBINED and VANILLA | 10:36 |
| tr4sk | When I flash it, some settings stay | 10:36 |
| kerio | lies | 10:36 |
| ieatlint | them's fighting words | 10:36 |
| RobbieThe1st | If you flash the emmc image, all personal data is gone. Then flash the Fiasco image to bring the OS back | 10:36 |
| RobbieThe1st | (A new copy, that is) | 10:37 |
| kerio | the only things that could stay are the things in cal, such as the "personal code" | 10:38 |
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| tr4sk | kerio: thx :) I understand now | 10:50 |
| tr4sk | RobbieThe1st: Thx :) | 10:50 |
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| NooBmonk3y | morning alls :) | 11:44 |
| NooBmonk3y | anyone able to answer a queen bee question? want to know if something is possible ? :) | 11:44 |
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| lardman | hi chaps | 11:45 |
| NooBmonk3y | morning lardman :) | 11:45 |
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| lardman | NooBmonk3y: ask away, see if someone answers | 11:45 |
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| lardman | I'm doing some tidying up, and namely fixing the Octave package in extras-devel - it has a build-time dep on texinfo, but this is also brought across into a run-time dep, how should I fix this? | 11:46 |
| NooBmonk3y | hehehe ok, well i moved to ubunti last week, and managed to last night successfully ssh from n900 to pc :).... then with a few extra commands that i will never remember of the top of my head, tunnel through using vnc... so a) is there a way to simplify, or b) use queenbee to run a few commands to do it, then launch vnc etc? (Ie put it all on one button?) | 11:46 |
| NooBmonk3y | s/ubunti/ubuntu/ | 11:46 |
| infobot | NooBmonk3y meant: hehehe ok, well i moved to ubuntu last week, and managed to last night successfully ssh from n900 to pc :).... then with a few extra commands that i will never remember of the top of my head, tunnel through using vnc... so a) is there a way to simplify, o... | 11:46 |
| NooBmonk3y | ooo octave? :P no idea what that is | 11:47 |
| NooBmonk3y | or b) use queen bee to run multiple commands | 11:47 |
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| NooBmonk3y | was the end of that sentence lol | 11:47 |
| RobbieThe1st | Or, stick it all in a shellscript? | 11:47 |
| NooBmonk3y | RobbieThe1st, or c) lol | 11:47 |
| lardman | what's QueenBee? | 11:48 |
| psycho_oreos | desktop widget | 11:48 |
| lardman | and fwiw | 11:48 |
| lardman | ~octave | 11:48 |
| infobot | . URL: http://bevo.che.wisc.edu/octave/ | 11:48 |
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| NooBmonk3y | so basically i need to start the ssh connection, then run ssh -L 5900:localhost:5900 me@puter.ip then run x11vnc -safer -localhost -nopw -once -display :0, then run the vnc client to localhost:5900 | 11:49 |
| NooBmonk3y | lardman, http://wiki.maemo.org/Queen_BeeCon_Widget | 11:49 |
| lardman | thanks, just found that | 11:49 |
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| RobbieThe1st | NooBmonk3y: Make a shellscript with those commands, then use QBCW to launch it, if you need | 11:50 |
| NooBmonk3y | cool thanks RobbieThe1st, i assume that is a .sh script, just with the commands in it? | 11:50 |
| * NooBmonk3y is slowly learning :) | 11:51 | |
| RobbieThe1st | Well, a "proper" shell script has the first line as "#!/bin/sh" | 11:51 |
| alterego | NooBmonk3y: you can run ssh in the background, so if you've got key auth setup: ssh ... && vnc ... | 11:51 |
| NooBmonk3y | lardman, that website wont load? | 11:51 |
| lardman | and "#! /bin/sh" as the first line | 11:51 |
| NooBmonk3y | ahhh ok, will go wiki shell scripts hehe | 11:51 |
| lardman | http://www.gnu.org/software/octave/ | 11:51 |
| lardman | infobot: Octave is http://www.gnu.org/software/octave/ | 11:51 |
| infobot | ...but octave is already something else... | 11:51 |
| lardman | doh! | 11:51 |
| RobbieThe1st | But yea, it's just a text file. Heck, you don't even need to use .sh at the end | 11:51 |
| NooBmonk3y | ooo wow! | 11:51 |
| NooBmonk3y | lol RobbieThe1st thank you very much :) | 11:52 |
| RobbieThe1st | One thing to note though: You have to mark it as excecutable, so you can run it. In order to do this, you can't have it on the FAT32 MyDocs partition(inside /home/user is fine, though) To mark a file as excecutable, run "chmod +x ./filename" | 11:53 |
| RobbieThe1st | And, feel free to ask me anything about Ubuntu; I'm always willing to help out a fellow Linux user. | 11:53 |
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| NooBmonk3y | thanks RobbieThe1st , creating the script on my ubuntu pc, will then putty it over to the n900 and chmod it :) | 11:55 |
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| NooBmonk3y | hehehe! :) - wooop, | 11:55 |
| NooBmonk3y | morning kerio | 11:55 |
| psycho_oreos | wtf, using putty under linux? | 11:55 |
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| RobbieThe1st | ^^ | 11:56 |
| lardman | hmm, with live wallpaper I don't seem to be able to enable another desktop | 11:56 |
| RobbieThe1st | On Linux, all you need to do is type "ssh user@host" from a terminal. | 11:56 |
| RobbieThe1st | In the case of -my- n900 and usb networking, I'd do "ssh root@192.168.2.15" | 11:56 |
| HRH_H_Crab | NooBmonk3y: just scp i over: scp /path/to/file/on/ubuntu <ipofn900>:/path/to/place/script | 11:56 |
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| NooBmonk3y | HRH_H_Crab, ya lost me ;) lol | 11:57 |
| lardman | MohammadAG: That kernel fix makes a big difference to the use of my N900 as a handwarmer after a night of charging, thanks :) | 11:57 |
| HRH_H_Crab | NooBmonk3y: type "man scp" on your ubuntu machine | 11:57 |
| HRH_H_Crab | will explain a lot better than i can! ;) | 11:57 |
| psycho_oreos | NooBmonk3y, or you can just get something like filezilla/sshfs | 11:57 |
| * NooBmonk3y has got filzilla :) | 11:57 | |
| RobbieThe1st | There's many ways of doing things | 11:58 |
| NooBmonk3y | file*zilla | 11:58 |
| RobbieThe1st | On linux | 11:58 |
| steinex | or he can use putty | 11:58 |
| NooBmonk3y | i , in most cases prefer the non terminal way as i'm still learning lol | 11:58 |
| steinex | sigh you freaks | 11:58 |
| RobbieThe1st | Putty on -linux-? | 11:58 |
| NooBmonk3y | steinex, i have putty too, and can use that too :P | 11:58 |
| psycho_oreos | putty is not needed under linux | 11:58 |
| HRH_H_Crab | RobbieThe1st: there is a putty build for linux i believe | 11:58 |
| NooBmonk3y | RobbieThe1st, putty ssh client it is called | 11:58 |
| HRH_H_Crab | ive nver tried it | 11:58 |
| RobbieThe1st | *blink*... why? | 11:58 |
| NooBmonk3y | it works :P | 11:58 |
| lardman | doh, I think the runtime texinfo dep is my fault | 11:59 |
| psycho_oreos | some people probably want the GUI, mouse feels | 11:59 |
| NooBmonk3y | RobbieThe1st, because.... when a windows user moves to ubuntu, thwey know what it is lol | 11:59 |
| psycho_oreos | i.e. like when running mirc just to chat on irc under linux? ;) | 11:59 |
| NooBmonk3y | lol | 11:59 |
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| ieatlint | did pr1.3 bring qt4.7? | 12:00 |
| NooBmonk3y | yup | 12:00 |
| RobbieThe1st | Speaking of GUI - Dolphin (file manager) will let you setup SSH "places", and access it just like a (slow) drive/folder | 12:00 |
| NooBmonk3y | RobbieThe1st, have to admit i tried dolphin, and oddly couldnt get it working :P | 12:00 |
| HRH_H_Crab | RobbieThe1st: or just use standard ubuntu nautilus | 12:00 |
| NooBmonk3y | yeah | 12:00 |
| NooBmonk3y | prefer nautilus | 12:01 |
| RobbieThe1st | I use KDE; I've never tried using nautilus for SSH | 12:01 |
| lardman | RobbieThe1st: sftpfs always used to crash for me | 12:01 |
| RobbieThe1st | Huh | 12:01 |
| psycho_oreos | if one can get sshfs to work, you can use whatever frontend to manage file transfers/viewing between ssh client and daemon | 12:01 |
| lardman | or that one, sshfs | 12:01 |
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| * lardman twiddles thumbs while Octave builds | 12:02 | |
| budfive | building octave for n900 or what? | 12:02 |
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| lardman | yeah | 12:03 |
| lardman | I built it in Jan actually, but it's had a runtime dep issue since then | 12:03 |
| budfive | cool | 12:03 |
| budfive | good to have it | 12:03 |
| lardman | am I right in thinking that the current SDK builds with vfp etc enabled by default? | 12:04 |
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| lardman | I'm looking at building this as a ui: http://cberger.net/Programs/Kalculus.html | 12:04 |
| lardman | yacas should also be in extras-devel so that would be good for both | 12:04 |
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| lardman | hmm, suppose I might need to optify Octave too | 12:07 |
| HRH_H_Crab | do you lot all have extras-devel permanently enabled? there seems to be a lot of warnings against doing so, but lets face it, thats where all the cool stuff is. | 12:08 |
| HRH_H_Crab | how dangerous is it? | 12:08 |
| HRH_H_Crab | am i likely to lose the ability to make and receive calls? :P | 12:09 |
| alterego | HRH_H_Crab: its' as dangerous as the person using it :P | 12:09 |
| alterego | I'd stick to testing. | 12:09 |
| alterego | I enable devel when I want something specifically. | 12:09 |
| HRH_H_Crab | so provided i dont go mental with stuff like the kernel i cant break much? | 12:09 |
| alterego | Well, you can, it's just not as likely. | 12:09 |
| RobbieThe1st | Eh, not so much. You can break a lot of things. | 12:09 |
| HRH_H_Crab | the problem is that if you install something from devel | 12:10 |
| HRH_H_Crab | and then disable it | 12:10 |
| HRH_H_Crab | you wont get updates will you? | 12:10 |
| alterego | It's just up to you to be responsible about what you install, understand the risks, maybe do a bit of research like ask on the forums and here about others' experiences with that specific package etc. | 12:10 |
| HRH_H_Crab | im still very new | 12:10 |
| HRH_H_Crab | if i do hose things, i can always re-flash right? | 12:10 |
| HRH_H_Crab | and i'll just lose settings? | 12:10 |
| alterego | Yeah | 12:11 |
| alterego | Unless your emmc gets corrupt, then you might lose all your data :) | 12:11 |
| RobbieThe1st | Personally, my advice for extras-devel is that if you're gonna take the risk, at least back things up once in a while. Heck, use BackupMenu and save yourself some effort</shameless plug> | 12:11 |
| HRH_H_Crab | yeah ive been backing up regularly to sd using the applet thingy | 12:11 |
| lardman | I have it enabled all the time, no problems, ymmv | 12:11 |
| HRH_H_Crab | if its as "dangerous" as debian unstable i think i'll be o.k. | 12:12 |
| alterego | It's probably more dangerous :P | 12:12 |
| HRH_H_Crab | heh | 12:12 |
| HRH_H_Crab | thats a bit scary | 12:12 |
| lardman | any optification gurus about? What's the best plan? use --prefix=/opt in the Makefile? | 12:12 |
| alterego | lardman: --prefix=/opt/usr | 12:13 |
| HRH_H_Crab | well if its quite hard for me to do anything that would prevent me from getting back to a fresh out of the box state | 12:13 |
| HRH_H_Crab | im not too worried | 12:13 |
| lardman | alterego: do I then need to manually create symblinks for my binary? | 12:13 |
| RobbieThe1st | Remember, extras-devel is where all developers upload to. So, things that are slightly-tested or not-tested get uploaded there. | 12:13 |
| alterego | lardman: what kind of application is it? Command line? | 12:13 |
| lardman | Octave | 12:13 |
| lardman | so has executable, some libs, lots of script files | 12:14 |
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| lardman | yeah command line | 12:14 |
| HRH_H_Crab | i dont think ive got testing enabled either | 12:14 |
| alterego | Well, just add /opt/usr/bin to your PATH enviornment variable. | 12:14 |
| HRH_H_Crab | i wonder if there is any cool stuff in there i havent seen | 12:14 |
| lardman | I'm going to be using it from a separate ui though, so it will need to be on the path | 12:15 |
| alterego | Well, if you're creating a ui, you don't need path just call it as: /opt/usr/bin/Octave | 12:17 |
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| lardman | I guess it's the done thing to add a package-dependant part to the opt path? | 12:18 |
| lardman | /opt/octave-2.3/usr | 12:18 |
| lardman | etc? | 12:18 |
| lardman | I will still need a symlink though, some people will no doubt want to run it from the command line, but that's fair enough | 12:18 |
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| * lardman doesn't look forward to experimenting with creating symlinks for Octave considering how long it takes to build | 12:30 | |
| alterego | Hrm, /me wonders what the point in creating a new model for telemetry data was for. | 12:30 |
| alterego | I think I just did it for the sake of it :/ | 12:31 |
| lardman | you wanted to learn about model-view, you sadist you | 12:31 |
| lardman | masochist actually | 12:31 |
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| alterego | I know about model-view | 12:31 |
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| alterego | For some reason I thought it would make my UI easier | 12:33 |
| alterego | But I'm not display tabular data, I'm displaying the most recent record only .. | 12:33 |
| alterego | Oh wait, now I remember why .. | 12:33 |
| alterego | Data Formatting, | 12:34 |
| * alterego bangs head and continues working on it ^.^ | 12:34 | |
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| CutMeOwnThroat | sadist and masochist in one? | 12:36 |
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| lardman | with your name? ;) | 12:39 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | ha | 12:39 |
| alterego | Well, it kind of works :) | 12:39 |
| alterego | I wanted a unified place which deals with data formatting, so I didn't have code that loaded the format configuration option from all over the pace. | 12:40 |
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| lardman | hmm, dpkg-shlibdeps: warning: format of `NEEDED liboctinterp.so' not recognized | 12:41 |
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| trumee | does xchat on N900 eat a lot of bandwidth? I cant stream video and have xchat running at the same time. | 12:44 |
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| alterego | trumee: shouldn't do, but then, that depends if you're logged into 1k channels or not :P | 12:46 |
| psycho_oreos | also depends on the type of connection you have used as well | 12:46 |
| trumee | alterego, just 2 channels. Once i close xchat video is smooth. | 12:47 |
| trumee | using wifi, pretty good connection | 12:47 |
| alterego | Interesting, | 12:47 |
| alterego | What does 'top' say? | 12:47 |
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| korhojoa | top: off | 12:48 |
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| trumee | alterego, mediaplayer pauses when it looses focus. so will have to ssh from another machine | 12:49 |
| alterego | Well, I meant top from xchat in background | 12:49 |
| alterego | Which is obviously causing you issues :) | 12:50 |
| trumee | alterego, pretty low | 12:51 |
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| trumee | 3.5 percent for xchat | 12:52 |
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| lardman | drat, no ruby qt | 12:53 |
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| alterego | I can build it for you if you want lardman? :) | 12:54 |
| lardman | alterego: are you a ruby dev? | 12:54 |
| alterego | I was the ruby-maemo dev a whiile ago. | 12:54 |
| alterego | Then I lost interest. | 12:54 |
| lardman | ah ok | 12:54 |
| alterego | I implemented all the hildon bindings and such. | 12:54 |
| lardman | Do you reckon it's worth using a UI which uses Ruby as the frontend for Octave? | 12:55 |
| lardman | or rather the UI is written in Ruby | 12:55 |
| alterego | Well, personally, I would have thought Qt/C++ using libOctave :P | 12:55 |
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| lardman | I know | 12:55 |
| alterego | You're probably better off using Python as it has all the maemo-isms | 12:55 |
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| lardman | I'll have to write that myself rather than using someone else's code though | 12:56 |
| alterego | Ah, okay. | 12:56 |
| alterego | Well, how complicated can it be? | 12:56 |
| lardman | I was thinking more of the speed and extra stuff that has to be installed | 12:56 |
| lardman | not complicated, time consuming | 12:57 |
| alterego | Well, speed isn't a problem, because you're still using the compiled binaries for most of the computation. | 12:57 |
| alterego | The only time you'll have speed issues is with python/ruby startup times. | 12:57 |
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| lardman | hmm, QtOctave looks like it might be a goes | 13:00 |
| lardman | thanks alterego | 13:00 |
| lardman | argh, wrong quilt version | 13:01 |
| alterego | :) | 13:03 |
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| HRH_H_Crab | could someone explain what the "enhanced linux kernel for power users (obsolete)" package actually does? | 13:06 |
| HRH_H_Crab | what are the consequences of installing / not installing it? | 13:06 |
| lardman | ah I hate moving packages across from uptodate Debian | 13:06 |
| RobbieThe1st | Power Kernel allows OCing and a few other things | 13:06 |
| HRH_H_Crab | if "installing" is even the right word... :| | 13:06 |
| HRH_H_Crab | RobbieThe1st: i have it installed for ipv6 | 13:07 |
| lardman | HRH_H_Crab: it's obsolete, so don't install it | 13:07 |
| HRH_H_Crab | i have no interest in overclocking | 13:07 |
| RobbieThe1st | I'm thinking that particular package is just an older version | 13:07 |
| lardman | the updated kernel has overclocking, fix for 500MHz CPU when charging, and iirc more kernel modules | 13:07 |
| tristan__ | hm | 13:07 |
| RobbieThe1st | Is that V46? | 13:07 |
| tristan__ | how do you overclock on the new kernel lardman? | 13:07 |
| lardman | oh maybe it doesn't then | 13:07 |
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| RobbieThe1st | "/usr/sbin/kernel-config" | 13:08 |
| lardman | I take it back | 13:08 |
| tristan__ | ok so same as the poewr kernel | 13:08 |
| tristan__ | lets see | 13:08 |
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| tristan__ | not found | 13:08 |
| HRH_H_Crab | note im not talking about "enhanced power kernel" | 13:08 |
| RobbieThe1st | I think you need kernel-power-settings or something | 13:08 |
| HRH_H_Crab | im talking about "enhanced power kernel (obsolete)" | 13:08 |
| HRH_H_Crab | i understand what the former is for | 13:09 |
| RobbieThe1st | What's the -version-? | 13:09 |
| HRH_H_Crab | the latter just confuses the hell out of me | 13:09 |
| lardman | hmm, cmake not supported by cdbs | 13:09 |
| RobbieThe1st | It's just an old version of it, I'm pretty sure | 13:09 |
| HRH_H_Crab | 2.6.28-maemo24 | 13:09 |
| RobbieThe1st | Probably because people were complaining about u-boot in the new version | 13:09 |
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| tristan__ | kerne-power-settings installs the pwoer kernel as a dependency. | 13:09 |
| HRH_H_Crab | so im prob. safe to leave well alone if all else is working how i want? | 13:09 |
| lardman | yes, fiddling with kernel flashing is potentially brick-time | 13:12 |
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| RobbieThe1st | You can find your current kernel with 'uname -a' along with everything else | 13:12 |
| HRH_H_Crab | RobbieThe1st: yeah i know that | 13:13 |
| tristan__ | hm how do you upgrade to pr1.3 | 13:13 |
| HRH_H_Crab | i understand what the power kernel is and i understand how to find my current version | 13:13 |
| tristan__ | i assume im not running it, my kernel is from august. | 13:13 |
| psycho_oreos | tristan__, either via ota, flashing or using pc-suite | 13:13 |
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| tristan__ | ota it hsould appear in uh | 13:14 |
| tristan__ | update from the applications thing, yes? | 13:14 |
| RobbieThe1st | HRH: So, what's the problem? | 13:14 |
| HRH_H_Crab | what i dont understand is wierdo packages showing up in my list of installable packages the description of which tells me to REMOVE (in caps no less) them. | 13:14 |
| psycho_oreos | HAM, yes, should be appearing as maemo5 iirc | 13:14 |
| lardman | you have extras-devel enabled now remember | 13:14 |
| RobbieThe1st | It just means that they left it for compatibility | 13:14 |
| tristan__ | hm maybe i do have it then | 13:15 |
| RobbieThe1st | so people with it installed won't end up with a broken system | 13:15 |
| HRH_H_Crab | ive decided im just going to leave things how they are. | 13:15 |
| HRH_H_Crab | :) | 13:15 |
| psycho_oreos | tristan__, what do you mean by that? | 13:15 |
| tristan__ | i dont see it in update at all | 13:15 |
| tristan__ | but it says it was released oct 25th | 13:15 |
| tristan__ | yet my kernel is from aug 6. | 13:15 |
| psycho_oreos | tristan__, well to check if you have pr1.3 installed, go into about product under settings | 13:15 |
| tristan__ | but i cant ota update. | 13:15 |
| tristan__ | im in the about product section | 13:15 |
| tristan__ | version 20.2010.36.2 | 13:15 |
| psycho_oreos | yeah that's pr1.3 | 13:16 |
| tristan__ | hm so it is | 13:16 |
| tristan__ | but why does it say released oct 25th yet my kernel is older. | 13:16 |
| tristan__ | surely thats the date the kernel was installed | 13:16 |
| psycho_oreos | where does it say it was released october 25th? | 13:17 |
| tristan__ | Maemo 5 PR1.3 was released on October 25, 2010, together with an update of the SDK for developers. The product version is 20.2010.36-2. | 13:17 |
| tristan__ | wiki. | 13:17 |
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| tristan__ | right version. just the date. | 13:17 |
| psycho_oreos | kernel version (nokia's kernel) should remain the same however if one does OTA update, the version of the kernel included is newer than pr1.2 iirc | 13:18 |
| tristan__ | hmm. | 13:18 |
| tristan__ | Linux Nokia-N900 2.6.28-omap1 #1 PREEMPT Fri Aug 6 11:50:00 EEST 2010 armv7l unknown | 13:18 |
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| psycho_oreos | yeah that output might also be the same as on pr1.2 | 13:19 |
| tristan__ | so. the kernel and update i am running makes the power-kernel obsolete? and i can overclock without it | 13:19 |
| psycho_oreos | the kernel you are running right now cannot be overclocked, its nokia's standard kernel | 13:20 |
| RobbieThe1st | No. | 13:20 |
| psycho_oreos | you can underclock however, not overclock | 13:20 |
| tristan__ | i see. then in what way is the power kernel obsolete. is it still the only overclocking option | 13:20 |
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| psycho_oreos | obsolete? probably you tried to install an older power kernel? | 13:21 |
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| tristan__ | well, it was said 5 minutes ago | 13:21 |
| psycho_oreos | and you downloaded the power kernel from extras right? | 13:22 |
| tristan__ | ooh. i misread | 13:22 |
| tugrik | are there any issues with using the power kernel if you don't overclock, or might installation brick the device anyway? | 13:23 |
| tristan__ | the power kernel messed up my skype on pr2. | 13:23 |
| psycho_oreos | tugrik, its noted on the wiki and on the forums, generally not recommended if you don't know what you're doing | 13:23 |
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| tugrik | how about if you do know what you're doing, as a debian user of a few years - if I follow instructions carefully should I be ok, or might the phase of the moon cause it to brick my device anyway? | 13:24 |
| RobbieThe1st | You can always reflash | 13:25 |
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| tristan__ | i was under the impression its pretty hard to truly brick an n900 | 13:25 |
| RobbieThe1st | -extremely- | 13:25 |
| psycho_oreos | what RobbieThe1st I second that, and always carry backups | 13:25 |
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| psycho_oreos | it is annoying however to brick your n900 whilst not having access to a computer with all the right setups to get the device back to normal again | 13:26 |
| jacekowski | RobbieThe1st: impossible | 13:27 |
| RobbieThe1st | True. That's why I wrote BackupMenu. The only thing I haven't gotten setup yet is a way to replace the kernel with it, but I'm not sure how much that's needed | 13:27 |
| jacekowski | RobbieThe1st: as long as hardware isn't damaged you can recover it with only usb cable | 13:28 |
| RobbieThe1st | Um... what? | 13:28 |
| psycho_oreos | and a computer with the flasher + firmware image | 13:28 |
| jacekowski | i'm just claryfing that it's impossible to brick n900 | 13:28 |
| RobbieThe1st | While I agree, you need A, a computer, with a specific OS(no x64 W7), firmware image, flasher... | 13:29 |
| RobbieThe1st | And that's what we were talking about | 13:29 |
| jacekowski | and bricked phone | 13:29 |
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| RobbieThe1st | Also, nothing's impossible - It -is- possible to make it not work even after flashing, but it requires quite a bit of stuff to do. | 13:30 |
| RobbieThe1st | And -generally- even then it's recoverable. | 13:30 |
| tristan__ | wat | 13:31 |
| tristan__ | i flashed from 64 bit w7 | 13:31 |
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| RobbieThe1st | Really? | 13:31 |
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| RobbieThe1st | I recall quite a few people on forums complaining about that | 13:31 |
| tristan__ | there is a fix | 13:31 |
| tristan__ | disabling driver signing or something along those lines. | 13:31 |
| tristan__ | +wiki | 13:31 |
| RobbieThe1st | Ah | 13:31 |
| jacekowski | driver signing cert costs only $500 a year | 13:32 |
| jacekowski | and nokia is going cheap way | 13:32 |
| tristan__ | a partnership with mossad might be in order eh. | 13:33 |
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| HRH_H_Crab | jacekowski: when you make hardware that uses an awesome os, why would you want to pay $500 to a company that calls that OS a "cancer" just so it will work with their (imho) lousy OS? | 13:34 |
| HRH_H_Crab | ;) | 13:34 |
| RobbieThe1st | ^^ | 13:34 |
| jacekowski | HRH_H_Crab: you pay that to CA | 13:34 |
| tristan__ | thats a bit of a non question | 13:35 |
| jacekowski | HRH_H_Crab: not to microsoft | 13:35 |
| HRH_H_Crab | jacekowski: the pressure should be on microsoft to pay so that users of their os can work with the phone! | 13:35 |
| HRH_H_Crab | (imo) | 13:35 |
| RobbieThe1st | MS users have the stupid PC suite | 13:35 |
| RobbieThe1st | They aren't supposed to have to flash | 13:36 |
| jacekowski | well yeah | 13:36 |
| jacekowski | driver with pcsuite is signed | 13:36 |
| jacekowski | so nokia can sign drivers | 13:36 |
| jacekowski | somebody was just to lazy to sign it | 13:36 |
| HRH_H_Crab | goodness knows what hoops linux developers have to go through to work with hardware designed for microsoft platforms... | 13:36 |
| RobbieThe1st | That's for sure | 13:38 |
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| RobbieThe1st | It's amazing how well stuff works though, despite how much reverse-enginering those people have to do | 13:39 |
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| NooBmonk3y | qt creator is playing up again :| | 13:50 |
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| geaaru | hi, i have upgrade my n900 with last maemo firmware (without reflashing), and now when i active silent mode pulseaudio go in segfault. It is needed a restart to return on a correct state. Anyone has same issue? | 14:28 |
| psycho_oreos | in other words you did OTA upgrade? | 14:29 |
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| Termana | That was really strange... iPod Touch just turned on and started playing music by itself | 14:56 |
| Termana | Apple's horrible coding or Ghost? | 14:56 |
| Termana | :p | 14:56 |
| GAN900 | Grr | 14:57 |
| GAN900 | Wrong damn tshirt size from the conf | 14:57 |
| Termana | GAN900, couldn't you determine that there or did everyone get the same size? | 14:57 |
| GAN900 | Termana, didn't look at it until now | 14:59 |
| GAN900 | They probably wouldn't have done anything anyway as they were way short on supplies | 14:59 |
| alterego | GAN900: send it to meh! | 15:00 |
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| iluminator101 | how can i install virtualbox in n900 or something similar? | 15:49 |
| NooBmonk3y | hmmm anyone here successfully got qtmobility working on ubuntu? | 15:49 |
| NooBmonk3y | (i mean so qtcreator can see it?) | 15:49 |
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| jacekowski | iluminator101: there is no virtualisation solution for ARM at the moment | 15:50 |
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| andax | jacekowski: well, at least there is qemu available | 15:51 |
| jacekowski | that's emulation | 15:51 |
| SpeedEvil | Any virtualisation would be fairly intensive, generally, as there is no HW suport for it | 15:52 |
| jacekowski | SpeedEvil: well, there is | 15:52 |
| jacekowski | SpeedEvil: trustzone is perfect thing for it | 15:52 |
| SpeedEvil | Well - not full virtualisation | 15:52 |
| SpeedEvil | oh - yeah - that | 15:52 |
| andax | jacekowski: depends on how you use it. | 15:53 |
| jacekowski | andax: on arm it's only emulation | 15:54 |
| Corsac | trustzone is not about virtualization anyway | 15:55 |
| Corsac | it's about isolatiion | 15:55 |
| Corsac | -i | 15:55 |
| jacekowski | like protection rings in x86 | 15:56 |
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| jacekowski | well virtualisation is about isolation | 15:56 |
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| ech0Asus | my usb port broke off my n900 | 16:09 |
| ech0Asus | yay, waiting on external battery charger and extra battery.. | 16:10 |
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| ech0Asus | is it possible to solder a new usb port on my n900? | 16:11 |
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| GAN900 | Yes. | 16:12 |
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| BCMM | gah | 16:14 |
| BCMM | i can't find my phone, but i can ping it over wlan | 16:15 |
| BCMM | it's on silent | 16:15 |
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| BCMM | and, stupidly, ssh is off | 16:15 |
| lardman | hey chaps | 16:15 |
| BCMM | there must be a clever solution to this | 16:15 |
| lardman | move the wifi router and see the round trip time difference? ;) | 16:15 |
| BCMM | haha | 16:16 |
| BCMM | i don't think speed-of-light delays are relevant here | 16:16 |
| BCMM | but i like that | 16:16 |
| lardman | well I didn't say how far to move it :D | 16:16 |
| BCMM | oh, there it is | 16:16 |
| derf | If you have multiple antennas on the router you don't even have to move it. | 16:16 |
| lardman | it worked! | 16:16 |
| BCMM | that's weird, it isn't on silent | 16:17 |
| BCMM | it's stopped making noise again... | 16:17 |
| BCMM | it did this a few days ago | 16:17 |
| BCMM | i had to take the battery and sim out for it to start making noises | 16:17 |
| BCMM | anyone else had that? | 16:18 |
| lardman | hmm, I've got a problem with libblas building, it doesn't generate a plain .so symlink, which afaict from the rules file it should | 16:18 |
| lardman | if anyone has a spare minute or two "apt-get source blas" | 16:18 |
| BCMM | has anyone got a way of rigging the n900 to enable SSH automatically when connected to certain wlans? | 16:19 |
| lardman | s/blas/libblas3gf | 16:19 |
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| lardman | hmm, that is odd, perhaps it is fixed but the version hasn't been changed | 16:20 |
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| lardman | ah, debian packaging issue rather than it not building | 16:28 |
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| mikki-kun | tr4sk: works fine with searching for the mem-chips and frying them... | 16:54 |
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| alterego | Track view widget almost finished ^.^ | 16:55 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ~moo | 17:08 |
| * infobot mooooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I am cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass | 17:08 | |
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| lardman | more thumb twiddling waiting for lapack to build | 17:16 |
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| lardman | anyone happen to know where I can get a cmake cdbs file? | 17:25 |
| lardman | I see that we used to have http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/diablo_extras-devel_free_armel/libqt4cmake-dev/0.4/ | 17:25 |
| lardman | which looks like it would provide what I'm after | 17:25 |
| * ShadowJK wonders if there are any details on N8 power issues anywhere | 17:26 | |
| korhojoa | all i've heard is that nokia is being very tight-lipped about it | 17:27 |
| ShadowJK | sigh | 17:27 |
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| korhojoa | local radio said that nokia is having issues with it's flagship model and people are trying to get to know if they will be replaced or repaired or whatever, but apparently nokia has been saying that "everything will be covered according to the warranty, take it in to the centers" | 17:28 |
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| lardman | what sorts of issues are these? | 17:29 |
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| lardman | Anyone got any thoughts on getting QtOctave to build? It uses cmake, and cdbs and unfortunately I can't seem to see any relevant cmake cdbs packages | 17:30 |
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| ShadowJK | lardman, "power management" issues | 17:31 |
| ShadowJK | that's about as much detail I've found | 17:31 |
| nidO | well, main issue is some devices not turning on | 17:31 |
| lardman | ok, so not bursting into flames or the like then :) | 17:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: PEBCAK? | 17:32 |
| ShadowJK | nidO, and you can't remove battery for half a minute like on n900 :) | 17:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | or here PEBCAP | 17:33 |
| nidO | lardman: http://conversations.nokia.com/2010/11/19/blogbite-n8-issues-explained-ovi-stores-3-million-daily-downloads-n8-apps-c7-reactions/ | 17:33 |
| nidO | first thing they talk about on it | 17:33 |
| ShadowJK | I tried to open one of the conversations.nokia links but n900 went into swaphell and stopped responding until I killed the browser | 17:34 |
| lardman | argh, I hate things that have audio or video links, far quicker to just read | 17:35 |
| lardman | but thanks anyway nidO :) | 17:35 |
| ShadowJK | I wonder if it doesn't shut down properly and entirely when user runs the battery down, and ends up killing the battery or discharging it too empty for recharging | 17:36 |
| nidO | basically nokia's saying its a manufacturing defect causing them to power down and not power back up, but theyve corrected the problem | 17:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer | WTF a BS site is THAT?! | 17:36 |
| ShadowJK | or if they kept the safety circuit in the battery, and it doesn't reset after an abnormal situatuion until you unplug it.. | 17:37 |
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| DocScrutinizer | haha, their fault when they don't hire proper review and QA like *me* :-P | 17:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | seems all their testers are all testing the same everyday standard shit all the time | 17:39 |
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| * lardman heads out, bbl | 17:48 | |
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| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: so they kill cells? | 17:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | aka brick phones | 17:53 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: I remember a friend of mine baught a 6210 6 month after I did, back in 2000..2001. His device always was empty after max 24h while mine had a standby time of >7 days easily. Nokia had to swap whole device. It's so easy to miss something. A poorly soldered pulldown R keeping a line floating - that's just enough. Quite a number of such bugs aren't even detectable via JTAG | 17:58 |
| ShadowJK | I have nfi what they do because I have found absolutely no information about it | 17:58 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | hm, what's "configuration wizard activation settings" | 17:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | a meaningless blob of buzzwords? | 18:00 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | so why's the N900 throwing it at me after switching back on | 18:00 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | agree on the meaningfulness there | 18:00 |
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| WakiMiko | http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/27/N900_xterm.JPG/1280px-N900_xterm.JPG is that an overclocked n900? because mine only says 249.96 BogoMIPS | 18:02 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | WakiMiko, no... the CPU scales down when not busy | 18:04 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | if you hit the touchscreen a couple of times before ... eg on "tab", you'll see 500 | 18:04 |
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| CutMeOwnThroat | "NOTE: The default configuration is being used or this window was called with a text message. Please follow this wizard... " and so on - Then "Text message activating configuration wizard" And an editable text-field with the content "to change your password, simply edit this field" | 18:06 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | ahh. | 18:07 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | sigh.. figured out what it is | 18:07 |
| WakiMiko | ah cool | 18:08 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | it's "imhere", which I installed out of curiosity what it is, damn me | 18:08 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | well, turns out it's being more cryptic after installing it | 18:08 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | ok, I knew about what it was | 18:09 |
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| chem|st | re | 18:14 |
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| lardman | Anyone know where to find the CDBS source? | 18:16 |
| lardman | not to worry, found the changelog | 18:17 |
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| alterego | Okay, so, I've now got a pannable, zoomable and rotating map view :) | 18:20 |
| alterego | Now, one last view to write and I can start the testing/optimization phase ^.^ | 18:23 |
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| chem|st | alterego: columbus? | 18:27 |
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| lardman | cdbs is rather old, am I able to replace it? | 18:30 |
| lardman | it seems to come from the sdk repo | 18:31 |
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| fish_sticks | my n900 turns off every time I make a call using my sim card | 18:36 |
| fish_sticks | few seconds into the call | 18:36 |
| fish_sticks | running the latest firmware | 18:36 |
| fish_sticks | any reason why? | 18:36 |
| lardman | off or reboot? | 18:37 |
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| fish_sticks | reboot | 18:37 |
| fish_sticks | sorry | 18:37 |
| fish_sticks | this didnt happen once or twice.happened quite a number of times | 18:37 |
| Choom | greetings | 18:37 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | sounds pretty annoying | 18:38 |
| fish_sticks | it is | 18:38 |
| Choom | I'm reading this page: http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Development_Environment/Maemo_SDK_Virtual_Images which mentions the availability of two VM images, however, for some reason, I can only find one server image, and the image seems to be older than what's advertised in the previously mentioned page | 18:38 |
| lardman | fish_sticks: pastebin the following: /proc/bootreason /var/lib/dsme/stats/lifeguard_resets | 18:38 |
| fish_sticks | one sec | 18:38 |
| lardman | output of those two files | 18:38 |
| fish_sticks | k | 18:38 |
| Choom | where can I find the desktop VM image? | 18:38 |
| fish_sticks | /proc/bootreason is sw_rst | 18:39 |
| Jaffa | Choom: Email maemo-developers; ISTR danielwilms saying they were taken down to be updated, but I don't remember the updated ones coming. | 18:39 |
| Choom | Jaffa: k, thanks | 18:39 |
| lardman | ok, sw reset, critical app killed by the kernel oom killer apparently | 18:40 |
| fish_sticks | okay | 18:40 |
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| lardman | and the other file should indicate what was killed | 18:40 |
| fish_sticks | and the 2nd is /usr/bin/Xorg -logfile /tmp/Xorg.0.log -logverboase 1 -n: 5 | 18:40 |
| fish_sticks | its killing Xorg each time | 18:40 |
| fish_sticks | ? | 18:40 |
| lardman | interesting | 18:40 |
| lardman | how large is /tmp/Xorg.0.log ? | 18:41 |
| fish_sticks | 1 sec | 18:41 |
| fish_sticks | does 'll' work? | 18:41 |
| fish_sticks | what command is it? | 18:41 |
| fish_sticks | to know the size? | 18:41 |
| lardman | depends whether busybox could be bothered to implement it ;) | 18:42 |
| fish_sticks | =) | 18:42 |
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| CutMeOwnThroat | "ls -h"? | 18:42 |
| jacekowski | there is no ll command | 18:42 |
| jacekowski | anywhere | 18:42 |
| jacekowski | it's just alias to ls -la in some distributions | 18:42 |
| fish_sticks | k | 18:42 |
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| fish_sticks | ls -h doesnt fetch me the size CutMeOwnThroat | 18:43 |
| lardman | not sure why Xorg would be killed with oom error | 18:43 |
| lardman | though I wonder if that message applies to other things | 18:43 |
| fish_sticks | hmm | 18:44 |
| fish_sticks | what do I do? | 18:44 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | hm, indeed... no -h "ls -l" then, sorry | 18:44 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | forgot this is ... busybox or something | 18:44 |
| lardman | ah yes it does, also applies to crashing app | 18:44 |
| fish_sticks | hmm | 18:44 |
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| lardman | so Xorg crashed, next thing to work out is why | 18:44 |
| lardman | fish_sticks: http://wiki.maemo.org/Troubleshooting_boot_issues | 18:45 |
| fish_sticks | checking | 18:45 |
| lardman | just explains what I've told you so far | 18:45 |
| lardman | not your particular problem | 18:45 |
| fish_sticks | that should solve the problem | 18:45 |
| fish_sticks | ? | 18:45 |
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| lardman | stopping it from crashing will solve the problem, but first you need to know why it crashed | 18:46 |
| gustavoferreira | When we compile code that uses GTK+ we use the `pkg-config --libs --cflags gtk+-2.0 ` on gcc, and when we use gtkextra, what do we use? `pkg-config --libs --cflags gtkextra-2.0 `?? i tried this one, and it compiles but not as an independent executable, someone here knows what we use on pkg-config for gtkextra?? | 18:46 |
| fish_sticks | okay | 18:46 |
| fish_sticks | lardman,so get the module? | 18:47 |
| lardman | what does the Xorg log file say? | 18:47 |
| fish_sticks | 1 sec | 18:47 |
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| fish_sticks | I'll have to VNC to pastebin this | 18:48 |
| timeless_mbp | hey | 18:49 |
| timeless_mbp | anyone know what 'rx-32' might be? :) | 18:49 |
| lardman | hi timeless_mbp | 18:49 |
| timeless_mbp | hi | 18:49 |
| fish_sticks | its some FBDEV thing | 18:49 |
| fish_sticks | cant make out | 18:49 |
| lardman | fish_sticks: I'm afraid that's all I know | 18:50 |
| lardman | cat it to file and pastebin it | 18:51 |
| fish_sticks | will it help if I pastebin the log? | 18:51 |
| fish_sticks | one sec | 18:51 |
| lardman | I'm off out in a tick, but someone else might have a bright idea | 18:51 |
| * lardman rejoices at finally getting bloody cmake cdbs to work | 18:51 | |
| fish_sticks | hmm k | 18:51 |
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| lardman | cu chaps | 19:03 |
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| Lantizia | Does anyone have access to file "RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.UK-IRELAND_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin" as I can't get it via tablets-dev or via fds | 19:04 |
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| Lantizia | it's basically just the latest vanilla emmc with uk maps included | 19:06 |
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| chem|st | Lantizia: please stop asking | 19:08 |
| chem|st | Lantizia: why don't you use the vanilla and download those damn 200MB of maps by hand? | 19:09 |
| Lantizia | I'll stop asking when I have the file | 19:10 |
| chem|st | Lantizia: you are asking for illegal actions... | 19:11 |
| chem|st | those files are not to freely redistribute | 19:12 |
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| Lantizia | the vanilla emmc is... and the maps are... so this isn't... how? | 19:12 |
| fish_sticks | my Xorg keeps restarting when I make calls using the sim card.can anyone help me out? | 19:12 |
| chem|st | Lantizia: as they are not released | 19:13 |
| fish_sticks | here is the Xorg log | 19:13 |
| fish_sticks | http://pastebin.ca/1997219 | 19:13 |
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| Lantizia | chem|st, they are released as they are mentioned in the readme files of the nokia care packages | 19:14 |
| Lantizia | chem|st, they just are not on tablets-dev | 19:14 |
| chem|st | what ever... if they aren't at tablets-dev then they are not released for public use | 19:15 |
| fish_sticks | anybody? | 19:15 |
| chem|st | fish_sticks: have you installed software from the SDK and/or devel? | 19:16 |
| Lantizia | umm the UK PR 1.3 is not on tablets-dev... neither are the Vodaphone versions of all versions... yet they are freely downloadable from nokia FDS | 19:16 |
| Lantizia | your reasoning is flawed | 19:16 |
| fish_sticks | yes I have chem|st | 19:16 |
| chem|st | Lantizia: if they are freely downloadable why dont you do? | 19:16 |
| Lantizia | chem|st, the emmc is not on there (as far as I can tell) | 19:17 |
| chem|st | fish_sticks: did you do a apt-get dist-upgrade with SDK repo active? | 19:17 |
| Lantizia | but your rationale of "not on tablets-dev" thus "not released" is nonsense | 19:17 |
| fish_sticks | chem|st, dont think so | 19:17 |
| Lantizia | as tablets-dev has been known to be missing many files in the past | 19:17 |
| fish_sticks | should I? | 19:17 |
| chem|st | fish_sticks: NO never | 19:17 |
| Lantizia | it's just a linux box ffs and someone has to copy the files to /var/tabletsdev/nokia_N900/downloads/ | 19:17 |
| fish_sticks | okay | 19:18 |
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| fish_sticks | so what do you think is the problem? | 19:18 |
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| chem|st | Lantizia: if you got no access to download the files from a proper chanel you are not in a legal state! | 19:18 |
| chem|st | Lantizia: and megaxxxload is not a proper channel | 19:19 |
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| Lantizia | you may use megaxxxload... I never even mentioned it - whatever it is | 19:19 |
| Lantizia | and the idea of it not being available for download = illegal is nonsense | 19:19 |
| Choom | well, it's not nonsense at all, a collection is as much copyrightable as the information comprising it | 19:20 |
| Lantizia | not available for download is not available for download... insert reason here... it doesn't mean a thing about it's legality | 19:20 |
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| fish_sticks | can you figure something out from the Xorg pastebin? | 19:20 |
| Choom | if it's not available for download it's not being officially distributed | 19:20 |
| chem|st | fish_sticks: I have no idea but I chose to have devel and/or SDK stuff active ONLY when I need an explicit package | 19:21 |
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| Choom | non-official distributions are strictly forbidden unless the licenses allow otherwise | 19:21 |
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| fish_sticks | so you think I should remove it from my repo? | 19:21 |
| chem|st | deactivate at least | 19:21 |
| fish_sticks | oka | 19:21 |
| fish_sticks | *okay | 19:21 |
| fish_sticks | will try after that | 19:21 |
| chem|st | no that wont fix your problem | 19:22 |
| fish_sticks | hmm | 19:22 |
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| fish_sticks | so what do you intend is the problem? | 19:22 |
| chem|st | looks like your input devices have a hickup and I have no idea what causes it or how to fix that | 19:23 |
| chem|st | you may just reflash | 19:23 |
| fish_sticks | hmm | 19:23 |
| chem|st | the kernel modules might be touched... have you any custom kernel installed? | 19:24 |
| fish_sticks | nope | 19:24 |
| chem|st | might be an hardware issue in the worst case | 19:24 |
| fish_sticks | ouch | 19:24 |
| fish_sticks | but its fine with skype | 19:24 |
| fish_sticks | did a few video calls | 19:24 |
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| fish_sticks | and I did manage to do a couple of sim calls without it crashing | 19:25 |
| chem|st | Lantizia: please give a link where it is stated that the file is freely redistributable... so you claim | 19:25 |
| fish_sticks | chem|st, you think flashing will solve the problem? | 19:25 |
| chem|st | Lantizia: just because the legal note of previous releases do state does not include new releases by default | 19:26 |
| Lantizia | chem|st, I have not said I've read it is freely re distributable but dispute your claim that it is not as you have nothing to back that claim either | 19:26 |
| chem|st | fish_sticks: if it doesnt it might be a hardware issue, you may try with a different sim first if it is still hanging after the reflash | 19:26 |
| fish_sticks | i tried that | 19:27 |
| fish_sticks | its restarting on both my sims | 19:27 |
| Lantizia | chem|st, however you can see this file is mentioned as distributable if you get the nokia care file RX-51_Vanilla_10.2010.19.1_v4.0.exe | 19:27 |
| chem|st | Lantizia: I do not need to proof that internal and company distributed files are not automatically free to distribute globaly... | 19:27 |
| Lantizia | or even RX-51_CARE_10.2010.19.1_v7.0.exe which specifically mentions it as it has the PR 1.2 uk release in it too | 19:29 |
| chem|st | then please explain why it is not available for public? | 19:29 |
| Lantizia | negligence most likely | 19:29 |
| Lantizia | emmc is always overlooked | 19:29 |
| chem|st | where do you get those from? | 19:29 |
| Lantizia | they're on the nokia fds | 19:30 |
| RurouniJones | Hrmm, my N900 has decided to stop connecting to my home wireless network. Are there any log files I can have a look at that would give some more information about why it cannot connect? | 19:31 |
| Lantizia | i don't see why I'm arguing this with you since you obviously don't have access anyway | 19:31 |
| Lantizia | I imagine you've no official standing with either maemo or nokia | 19:31 |
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| chem|st | Lantizia: link please | 19:32 |
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| frals | "nokia fds" = ? | 19:33 |
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| chem|st | Lantizia: you are looking at #maemo for official nokians who give you access to those files... good luck! | 19:34 |
| Lantizia | frals, the server that hosts all the files that pc suite uses and the phone itself uses to self update | 19:34 |
| chem|st | frals: I was wondering as I cannot find anything on the servers I got access to... | 19:35 |
| Lantizia | For example the UK PR 1.3 for vodaphone is here... http://nds2.fds-fire.nokia.com/fdp/interface/FiRe/2010/11/--FID--A0A22TMPQDEDM/--LID--FiRe1289563474226/RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2.205.1_PR_COMBINED_205_ARM.bin | 19:35 |
| chem|st | Lantizia: nokia fds is not a single server | 19:35 |
| Lantizia | even though a) the PR 1.3 isn't on tablets-dev for UK and b) vodaphone haven't even released their version of it! | 19:35 |
| Lantizia | UK PR 1.3 is also on there, dispite the tablets-dev not having it - negligence like I said | 19:35 |
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| Lantizia | and I don't see the harm in the UK emmc for UK users who want to just restore the phone to -"COMPLETE"- defaults including the emmc that has the maps built in! | 19:36 |
| chem|st | Lantizia: so we are on nds2 for the start | 19:36 |
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| crashanddie | ~seen libra | 19:37 |
| infobot | libra <n=libra@i59F566B4.versanet.de> was last seen on IRC in channel #elive, 328d 13m 31s ago, saying: 'so werd mal wieder > bye'. | 19:38 |
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| NooBmonk3y | frals you alive? | 19:41 |
| frals | aye | 19:41 |
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| fish_sticks | chem|st, think I solved the problem.deleted rotate daemon.think that was causing the problem | 19:47 |
| Lantizia | file... want... rawr... *RAGE* | 19:48 |
| Lantizia | will likely ask tomorrow :) | 19:49 |
| NooBmonk3y | lol CutMeOwnThroat | 19:50 |
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| crashanddie | damn this channel is quiet | 20:54 |
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| GAN900 | crashanddie, we don't want to talk to you. | 20:58 |
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| crashanddie | GAN900: well, I figured that much, considering how much you've been ignoring me | 20:59 |
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| GAN900 | sucker | 21:00 |
| * pupnik is still enjoying the orange juice dig on europe | 21:02 | |
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| pupnik | finally i know some food variety that is poor quality here | 21:02 |
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| * NooBmonk3y prods lcuk | 21:09 | |
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| GAN900 | pupnik, need to try real roadside Florida orange juice sometime. | 21:09 |
| GAN900 | pupnik, nectar of the gods. | 21:10 |
| * NooBmonk3y blinks | 21:10 | |
| GAN900 | pupnik, I'm of the opinion that your sausage has the consistency of soggy bread, too. | 21:11 |
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| lcuk | oh hi NooBmonk3y | 21:11 |
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| NooBmonk3y | evening :) :) | 21:16 |
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| NooBmonk3y | lcuk, Finally got qtmobility working, and now healthcheck is on the go!! wohoooooooo | 21:16 |
| NooBmonk3y | it doesnt have everything i need, but its going well :) | 21:17 |
| pupnik | sausage would be local to dublin. orange juice in .eu is probably bottom-drawer because it's not a native food | 21:18 |
| lcuk | \o/ NooBmonk3y | 21:18 |
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| GAN900 | pupnik, sausage was just as bad in BCN, so dunno where it falls. | 21:21 |
| GAN900 | Their pork was excellent otherwise, though. | 21:21 |
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| GAN900 | pupnik, meat has been poor compared to the US. | 21:22 |
| lcuk | GAN900, BCN had kangaroo meat | 21:23 |
| lcuk | it was delicious | 21:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | pupnik: oranges no native food in Europe? | 21:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | pupnik: even in Spain? | 21:24 |
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| derf | As long as you pretend places like Spain, Greece, and Italy aren't in Europe. | 21:25 |
| derf | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:2005orange.PNG | 21:26 |
| GAN900 | mmm | 21:28 |
| GAN900 | A fat, juicy American cheeseburger and a heaping mound of fried | 21:28 |
| GAN900 | s/fried/fries | 21:28 |
| GAN900 | That was what I was missing. | 21:28 |
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| DocScrutinizer | errr, no McD or BC around where you were? | 21:30 |
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| GAN900 | Sure, but that's not American meat | 21:30 |
| GAN900 | and not any good | 21:30 |
| GAN900 | Local burger joint. | 21:30 |
| GAN900 | with quality ground beef. | 21:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm, yep | 21:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | though Scottish beef is rather top notch | 21:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | Irish as well | 21:32 |
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| GAN900 | Dunno if it competes with Texas. | 21:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer | at least it'sa better than Argentinian Angus | 21:33 |
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| ieatlint | bastards are making me hungry | 21:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | me too :-/ | 21:34 |
| ieatlint | a good burger isn't cheap either :( | 21:34 |
| ieatlint | ~$12 around here | 21:34 |
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| pupnik | i keep forgetting spaniards DocScrutinizer ... what is that place, a nature preserve? | 21:35 |
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| DocScrutinizer | GAN900: usually beef you get here in Germany is a side product of milk production: 10 year old cows that never were 'optimized' for meat quality | 21:40 |
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| GAN900 | ah | 21:40 |
| b-man` | heh | 21:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Irish Galloway OTOH is never seeing a stable and lives on the Irish greens al day and night until you eta them (at least that's what it's supposed to be like) | 21:43 |
| NooBmonk3y | ooo btw lcuk .... just about to server up a slow cooked gammon joint, been 13 hours on slow cook! :) | 21:44 |
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| DocScrutinizer | DARN! 5 slices of salami is all I got and can eat now | 21:46 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: go to shop | 21:47 |
| jacekowski | or order something from chinese place | 21:47 |
| jacekowski | these are open almost all the time | 21:47 |
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| lcuk | NooBmonk3y, sounds delicious | 21:51 |
| Choom | is there a way to provide a token to the SDK installation GUI or does it really have to generate a new one every time I try to install it? | 21:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | Choom: last time I checked there was no way NOT to supply the token taken from some email or similar, iirc | 21:53 |
| Choom | hmm, it's not asking for an email or anything like that | 21:54 |
| Choom | it just asks me to enter a code and then generates a token | 21:54 |
| Choom | and it goes like that every time I visit that page | 21:54 |
| ieatlint | by code do you mean your imei? | 21:54 |
| Choom | thing is, I believe I underestimated the SDK's storage requirements | 21:54 |
| Choom | and created a VM with 8GB of storage | 21:54 |
| Choom | ieatlint: no | 21:55 |
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| DocScrutinizer | yeah, probably too small :-( | 21:55 |
| Choom | I'm talking about the token generated in this page: http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/eula/index.php | 21:56 |
| NooBmonk3y | lol doc] | 21:56 |
| NooBmonk3y | sorry mail order slow cooked meat, doesnt seem to work too well :P | 21:56 |
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| NooBmonk3y | eeeek chips, brb | 21:56 |
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| lcuk | NooBmonk3y, tracy started making Christmas cake | 21:57 |
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| DocScrutinizer | well... | 21:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | jr@halley:~> du -sh /scratchbox/ | 21:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | 4,2G /scratchbox/ | 21:57 |
| Choom | jps@ubuntu:~$ df -h | 21:58 |
| Choom | Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on | 21:58 |
| Choom | /dev/sda1 7.5G 6.0G 1.2G 84% / | 21:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | lcuk: yummy, cake | 21:58 |
| Choom | LOL | 21:58 |
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| Choom | it just finished installing | 21:59 |
| derf | raam scratchbox # du -hcsx /opt/scratchbox/ | 21:59 |
| derf | 14Gtotal | 21:59 |
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| pupnik | i just found out it's Saturday | 22:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I just found out it's meaningless to me, except for shops being closed tomorrow | 22:07 |
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| NooBmonk3y | lcuk, mandy started in january lol! | 22:11 |
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| NooBmonk3y | 18 in the cupboard, and 12 in the larder.... meh | 22:11 |
| NooBmonk3y | pity i dont like christmas cake :P | 22:11 |
| lcuk | LOL | 22:11 |
| NooBmonk3y | and she's now 15 mins late for dinner loL! | 22:12 |
| NooBmonk3y | aghhhh slow cooked food doesnt like heating up :( | 22:12 |
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| lcuk | it does | 22:12 |
| NooBmonk3y | :( | 22:12 |
| lcuk | it just never tastes the same again | 22:12 |
| NooBmonk3y | lol true | 22:12 |
| NooBmonk3y | honey basted slow cooked gammon, home made chips, double yoke eggs, grrrrrrrr | 22:13 |
| Lantizia | hey since you can make the /home partition bigger just by running something like... sed -i 's/size = 2048;/size = 8192;/' RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin | 22:13 |
| lcuk | ship it to me | 22:13 |
| lcuk | that sounds nice :P | 22:13 |
| NooBmonk3y | hahaha, will probably be warmer then when she gets back lol | 22:13 |
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| Lantizia | you could also make the swap partition bigger... any point do you think? | 22:13 |
| lcuk | haha | 22:13 |
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| lcuk | should i put on a dress and come round to yours | 22:13 |
| NooBmonk3y | oh baby, its a date | 22:13 |
| NooBmonk3y | and theres home made chocolate she made for pudding | 22:14 |
| NooBmonk3y | peppermint creams, hazelnut whips, and a whole load of others | 22:14 |
| NooBmonk3y | ooo btw, whens the next #meegoconf? may? | 22:14 |
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| lcuk | theres a number of summits in different locations of the world | 22:16 |
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| lcuk | NooBmonk3y, you know your meal sounds amazing tonight :) I do not know how she could be late for it :P | 22:17 |
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| unixSnob | Nokia needs to come up with a better way to do authentication | 22:22 |
| unixSnob | entering a long password using grafitti sucks | 22:22 |
| unixSnob | and it sucks even more trying to tap it out w/ onscreen keyboard | 22:22 |
| timeless_mbp | ? | 22:23 |
| * timeless_mbp doesn't think we support grafitti | 22:23 | |
| GAN900 | Hooray hardware keyboard? | 22:24 |
| unixSnob | it needs a fingerprint reader | 22:24 |
| unixSnob | you mean fat fingering a tiny keyboard? screw that | 22:25 |
| kerio | GAN900: maybe he just thought the n900 was "bulky" | 22:25 |
| NooBmonk3y | lcuk, just reaalised she text me at 7:50 saying be back at 8:30........ | 22:25 |
| NooBmonk3y | meh, | 22:25 |
| unixSnob | a good password looks like this: egrser%G$h6544t34dreg33$54tr3^#%#%%^gfg | 22:25 |
| NooBmonk3y | i better go warm it up :P hehehe | 22:25 |
| unixSnob | try doing that with the hardware keyboard.. I bet it tedious | 22:26 |
| kerio | ʇɐɥʇ ʇɐǝq - pɹoʍssɐd ʎɯ sı sıɥʇ | 22:27 |
| timeless_mbp | err | 22:27 |
| timeless_mbp | unixSnob: for a mobile device... | 22:27 |
| timeless_mbp | a good password is probably your walking pace | 22:27 |
| timeless_mbp | or something similar | 22:28 |
| timeless_mbp | and should just unlock your ssh key | 22:28 |
| unixSnob | kerio: how the heck did you do that? I didn't know the chars existed | 22:28 |
| lcuk | windows 7 has a security login/facial recognition thing | 22:28 |
| lcuk | i managed to login to hopbeats computer with a photo of him taken on my n900 | 22:28 |
| kerio | unixSnob: unicode is magical! | 22:28 |
| timeless_mbp | unicode is awesome | 22:28 |
| timeless_mbp | ☃ | 22:29 |
| kerio | ☭☭☭☭☭☭☭☭☭☭☭ | 22:29 |
| unixSnob | freenode would not let me use the nick ʇɐɥʇʇɐǝq | 22:30 |
| unixSnob | hmm.. also rejected qouSxıun | 22:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer | lcuk: HAHAHA :-D | 22:34 |
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| unixSnob | a good pic of someones ear will work in the near future, IMO | 22:36 |
| unixSnob | ears are better than fingerprints | 22:36 |
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| * trumee shopping on tesco.com eats up N900 cpu like a cake. | 22:39 | |
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| lolloo | are you serious unixSnob | 22:40 |
| MrSlawekP | przepraszam, a gdzie mowia po polsku ? | 22:41 |
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| DocScrutinizer | damn, is that Polish or Ferengi or spelled backwards? | 22:43 |
| jacekowski | it's polish | 22:43 |
| jacekowski | MrSlawekP: nie, tutaj bija | 22:44 |
| MrSlawekP | to przepraszam, ide szukac dzies inndziej. | 22:44 |
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| crashanddie | keep alternate languages to a minimum | 22:44 |
| djszapi | is there a doc viewer on fremantle by default ? | 22:44 |
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| jacekowski | no | 22:46 |
| lolloo | hi HisMajesty | 22:46 |
| djszapi | because there is a pdf viewer, so what should I install, what do you prefer ? | 22:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | lolloo: who's HisMajesty? | 22:46 |
| lolloo | sorry DocScrutinizer , in another channel. | 22:47 |
| lolloo | I typed in wrong window hehehe | 22:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | aah, thought it's been addressed to somebody here :-D Would fit as well | 22:47 |
| lolloo | hehehe | 22:47 |
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| djszapi | koffice seems to be fair enough. | 22:51 |
| trumee | what about openoffice? | 22:52 |
| djszapi | dunno, never tried. | 22:53 |
| trumee | there is one in easy debian. Beast to start though. | 22:53 |
| unixSnob | lolloo: yes, I was reading about it recently.. ears are more unique than fingerprints, and ear shape doesn't change significantly over time | 22:54 |
| djszapi | how can I get internet connection via the usb network on my N900, to download and install the packages directly on the phone ? | 22:54 |
| unixSnob | and ears are not generally rubbed off if someone has a job working with their hands | 22:54 |
| djszapi | I do not have wi-fi connection here, that is why I am thinking of the usb network. | 22:54 |
| lolloo | wow intresting | 22:55 |
| Mek | there is freoffice in extras-devel, which is a koffice based office viewer/editor | 22:55 |
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| djszapi | what is wrong about koffice ? | 22:56 |
| Mek | hmm? nothing; freoffice is just a maemo UI on top of koffice | 22:56 |
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| trumee | Mek, does it work well? | 22:57 |
| djszapi | Mek: should the koffice not work alone ? | 22:57 |
| Mek | in some ways it works quite well, in other areas it has shortcomings | 22:57 |
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| Mek | djszapi: well, the UI doesn't really work that well on such a small screen, but sure | 22:57 |
| trumee | djszapi, usb networking works a treat. | 22:58 |
| djszapi | your mean ? | 22:58 |
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| trumee | djszapi, although i could not work out bluetooth networking. | 22:59 |
| djszapi | I do not use bluetooth network connection | 22:59 |
| trumee | i wanted my laptop internet to feed to N900, wasnt straightforward | 22:59 |
| djszapi | what was wrong about that ? | 22:59 |
| trumee | just couldnt work that out. most of the howtos talk about using N900 as the host. i wanted the reverse. | 23:00 |
| trumee | eventually, i settled with usb networking | 23:01 |
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| djszapi | weird | 23:01 |
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| FIQ|n900 | quick question: the FTP port; is it 21? | 23:09 |
| * Lantizia nods | 23:09 | |
| FIQ|n900 | oh nvm | 23:10 |
| FIQ|n900 | got it now | 23:10 |
| djszapi | Mek: is freoffice stable enough ? | 23:12 |
| Mek | djszapi: for what? try it out and judge if it is good enough for your uses... | 23:14 |
| djszapi | for usage... | 23:14 |
| djszapi | what else... | 23:14 |
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| Mek | well, I don't know what kind of usage you'll have... | 23:15 |
| Mek | so really, try it out and judge for your self | 23:15 |
| djszapi | how can you advice anything if you do not know whether it is stable enough.... | 23:15 |
| djszapi | no, I will not sorry. | 23:15 |
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| Mek | I never adviced anything, I merely pointed to it as an option of a maemo office viewer/editor | 23:16 |
| djszapi | k, dropped :) | 23:16 |
| jacekowski | well, there is OO.o | 23:16 |
| djszapi | I do not find OO. | 23:18 |
| djszapi | in extra-devel at least :) | 23:18 |
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| Mek | and afaik freoffice is basically your only option for an office viewer/editor with an UI that is actually usable on a phone... | 23:18 |
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| djszapi | I am not sure... | 23:19 |
| djszapi | more people mentioned OO and I also found other recommandations with google. | 23:19 |
| djszapi | so the world is not black and white :) | 23:20 |
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| pupnik | http://forum.xufo.net/bb/viewtopic.php?t=13005&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0 3D Drucker - Sammelbestellung! | 23:20 |
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| djszapi | ok, freffice crashes immediately after I try to launch, so -1 ... | 23:21 |
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| MohammadAG | alterego, ping | 23:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: beware to advice anything that you know will have any issues | 23:45 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: why? | 23:46 |
| jacekowski | it's funny to see small lusers struggle with crappy software | 23:46 |
| MohammadAG | alterego, I was thinking of making an alternative phone app | 23:46 |
| MohammadAG | plainly cause the native one sucks balls | 23:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: because here are users that think they hold the whole channel as their busyboys | 23:47 |
| * NooBmonk3y prods MohammadAG with a large frals shaped trout | 23:47 | |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: ... and give "advice" like "there's plenty, just look!" when somebody is asking for a good book about coding, while they think they are entitled to a full usability report on all available office apps when they ask | 23:49 |
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| * NooBmonk3y thinks that is rather harsh | 23:51 | |
| MohammadAG | i used a plastic knife | 23:51 |
| NooBmonk3y | still harsh! | 23:51 |
| NooBmonk3y | MohammadAG, healthcheck is back on its way :) qtmobility is working, ish | 23:52 |
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