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| trumee | anything interesting from meego conference today? | 00:10 |
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| chupy35 | amd is contributing also | 00:10 |
| trumee | interesting. amd and intel together! | 00:11 |
| chupy35 | kind of | 00:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer | chupy35: compare to my df -h quoted above. You still use 1000MB more than I do. | 00:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | but anyway, with 430MB free you should still be on the green side of the fence | 00:16 |
| chupy35 | yes i have alot of trash DocScrutinizer, also 3 preenv games | 00:16 |
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| chupy35 | i updated kernel power boot and i got a guru meditation, i feel pleased | 00:20 |
| lolloo | hehe | 00:20 |
| lardman | night chaps | 00:21 |
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| NooBmonk3y | MohammadAG, ping | 00:37 |
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| NooBmonk3y | ~seen Venemo | 00:43 |
| infobot | venemo <~Timur@catv-89-132-105-133.catv.broadband.hu> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 19h 53m 54s ago, saying: 'what is FHS?'. | 00:44 |
| NooBmonk3y | Yayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy | 00:44 |
| * NooBmonk3y grins and smiles alot | 00:44 | |
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| NooBmonk3y | whats the best way to connect to the n900 like winscp does in windows, but on ubuntu? (App-wise?) | 00:49 |
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| chupy35 | ssh | 00:51 |
| chupy35 | NooBmonk3y ssh just use ssh | 00:51 |
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| chupy35 | NooBmonk3y also you can use nautilus or dolphin to manage it graphical | 00:52 |
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| chupy35 | yo create a net file and select ssh protocol | 00:52 |
| NooBmonk3y | ooo cool | 00:53 |
| NooBmonk3y | ty chupy | 00:54 |
| chupy35 | np | 00:55 |
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| Termana | good morning | 01:03 |
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| crashanddie_ | "Warning: Your application is using 8 instances at 100%. You may exceed your quota soon." | 01:07 |
| NooBmonk3y | lol crashanddie | 01:08 |
| NooBmonk3y | morning Termana | 01:08 |
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| alterego | Anyone here using Qt Mobility location? | 01:16 |
| NooBmonk3y | will be soon | 01:17 |
| NooBmonk3y | its my next todo page on healthcheck | 01:17 |
| alterego | I just want someone to validate that QGeoPositionInfo reports speed in metres a second because it doesn't seem to scale to miles per hour or kilometers per hour properly. | 01:18 |
| alterego | bbiab | 01:18 |
| NooBmonk3y | lol | 01:19 |
| NooBmonk3y | okies | 01:19 |
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| NooBmonk3y | frals, bored? | 01:23 |
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| NooBmonk3y | damn it's quiet in here | 01:31 |
| NooBmonk3y | no MohammadAG , no Lcuk, No Frals...... | 01:31 |
| NooBmonk3y | bacon ? | 01:31 |
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| SpeedEvil1 | ? | 01:33 |
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| NooBmonk3y | ?! | 01:34 |
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| pupnik | i wonder what osso-xterm is derived from | 01:35 |
| pupnik | xterm itself? | 01:35 |
| pupnik | gnome-terminal maybe | 01:36 |
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| NooBmonk3y | noooooooo idea | 01:39 |
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| pigeon | http://maemo.org/packages/view/osso-xterm/ | 01:43 |
| pigeon | though the link is broken. | 01:43 |
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| pigeon | or http://web.archive.org/web/20071013203734/os-cillation.de/index.php?id=42&L=5 | 01:44 |
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| pigeon | xfce-terminal, looks it. | 01:45 |
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| DocScrutinizer | crashanddie_: uhuh | 01:46 |
| crashanddie_ | hmm? | 01:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | 8 instances at 100% | 01:46 |
| crashanddie_ | yeah | 01:46 |
| crashanddie_ | GAE | 01:46 |
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| crashanddie_ | trying to upload some shit | 01:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | aaah | 01:47 |
| crashanddie_ | (just 350k entries to the datastore) | 01:47 |
| crashanddie_ | burnt through the free quota in about 2 hours | 01:47 |
| crashanddie_ | have to start all over again | 01:47 |
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| djszapi | does anybody use usb networking on maemo5 here ? | 01:52 |
| trumee | alterego, Media IM doesnt respect the offline status. | 01:52 |
| djszapi | ifconfig n900 | 01:53 |
| djszapi | n900: error fetching interface information: Device not found | 01:53 |
| trumee | alterego, i confirmed that today | 01:53 |
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| trumee | alterego, Media IM pushes the device to go online even when the device is offline | 01:54 |
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| ebzzry | Good evening. | 02:01 |
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| ebzzry | Can anyone help me with this: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=874289 | 02:02 |
| NooBmonk3y | evening | 02:03 |
| NooBmonk3y | sorry haven't a clue | 02:03 |
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| alterego | ebzzry: yes, there is a way. | 02:04 |
| ebzzry | alterego: How? | 02:05 |
| NooBmonk3y | lol thats just teasing ;) | 02:06 |
| ebzzry | alterego: I know that's an sqlite3 db, but whenever I try to merge them, they just won't work. | 02:06 |
| alterego | Oh, hang on :P | 02:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | pupnik: xfce-terminal is GPL2, so osso-xterm which says to be beased on xfce-terminal... where is the source? | 02:06 |
| alterego | I thought knowing there was a way would be good enough for you :P | 02:06 |
| ebzzry | alterego: => | 02:07 |
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| pupnik | http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/fremantle-1.3/free/source/ DocScrutinizer - i don't see it | 02:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://maemo.org/packages/view/osso-xterm/ me neither | 02:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | amother instance of Nokia's true notion about FOSS? | 02:13 |
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| pupnik | i recall some complaints about this years ago and it's still closed | 02:15 |
| pupnik | or something | 02:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | :nod: | 02:15 |
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| alterego | ebzzry: hrm, maybe I Was wrong, didn't think the .backup/.restore overwrote, thought it merged. | 02:16 |
| nox- | o_O whats so special about an x terminal app... | 02:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | who knows. As long as we don't have the source... | 02:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | maybe that's where Nokia trojan lives | 02:17 |
| alterego | Ah, there is another way. | 02:17 |
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| alterego | ebzzry: are you about? | 02:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer | funny thing: there are even things like Applications/calculator mentioned, but no *terminal*, in http://stskeeps.subnetmask.net/maemo.org/openness/pr1.1/ | 02:23 |
| Gh0sty | wth why do i get into overflow again? :/ | 02:24 |
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| mc_teo | hey | 02:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | tbh I don't care much about Applications/calculator, I'm pretty sure I can live without that or will code a replacement in 30 min. But Applications/terminal seems rather essential | 02:24 |
| mc_teo | has anyone else noticed something like dead pixels on the top of the screen? | 02:25 |
| mc_teo | on device | 02:25 |
| SpeedEvil | not me | 02:25 |
| alterego | dead pixels are unlikely to be in the same place on two different devices ;) | 02:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | other detail that puzzles me is there's still no alternative to osso-xterm | 02:25 |
| * SpeedEvil sits on a large wooden object. | 02:25 | |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: It's the 'it's not shit' effect. | 02:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | Gh0sty: ##overflow? | 02:26 |
| Gh0sty | SpeedEvil: a barrel? :p | 02:26 |
| mc_teo | like random little black squiggles | 02:26 |
| mc_teo | alterego: but there are not dead | 02:26 |
| SpeedEvil | If you put in a barely good enough solution, many people won't bother fixing it. | 02:26 |
| Gh0sty | yes i was at overflow again | 02:26 |
| Gh0sty | 2nd time in 2 days :/ | 02:26 |
| mc_teo | they work correctly on any other screen | 02:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | sorry, that's join-throttle | 02:26 |
| Gh0sty | it funny that you can still see chatter though :p | 02:27 |
| mc_teo | just the regular status one has it | 02:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | 2 times in 2 days seems quite at the limit. Please ping me if it happens again | 02:27 |
| mc_teo | shall i try get a screenshot? | 02:27 |
| Gh0sty | anyhow | 02:27 |
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| Gh0sty | yesterday I fixed mine again | 02:27 |
| SpeedEvil | mc_teo: yes - see if you can screenshot your bad pixels. | 02:28 |
| Gh0sty | had to take out the battery and put it back in | 02:28 |
| mc_teo | Its not bad | 02:28 |
| Gh0sty | that fixed the led and backlight missing | 02:28 |
| mc_teo | they work for any screen | 02:28 |
| Gh0sty | and a new power kernel fixed most other issues | 02:28 |
| mc_teo | except this one | 02:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | Gh0sty: might be caused by conference, where a lot of users of this chan are on same uplink. If it comes up again after a downtime, then throttling might kick in easily | 02:28 |
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| Gh0sty | previous power kernel showed artifacts on my screen :x | 02:28 |
| Gh0sty | not on the home screens but when you entered a menu | 02:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: ack. But still... osso-xterm seems closed | 02:29 |
| Gh0sty | the power menu didnt even show I had to guess where "switch off" was :p | 02:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: and violating GPL | 02:30 |
| mc_teo | yes | 02:30 |
| mc_teo | they are in the screenshot | 02:30 |
| Gh0sty | is there already a programm which can execute stuff based on cell tower location? :p | 02:30 |
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| nox- | i think ive seen some `alarm when reaching cell' thing | 02:31 |
| Gh0sty | and yesterday the small metal bit from the stand came loose :( | 02:31 |
| nox- | (i guess for ppl sleeping on trains?) | 02:32 |
| Gh0sty | LOL :P | 02:32 |
| Gh0sty | nice feature but not exactly what I wanted :p | 02:32 |
| Gh0sty | in fact rather the opposite | 02:32 |
| Gh0sty | when I'm at the cinema (define that cell once) it should put it in silent mode :p | 02:33 |
| Gh0sty | stuff like that | 02:33 |
| ebzzry | alterego: so, still teasing? | 02:33 |
| mc_teo | http://i56.tinypic.com/28cprpe.png | 02:33 |
| nox- | well i havent installed it, maybe it can be hacked | 02:33 |
| alterego | ebzzry, unfortunately it's not trivial. | 02:33 |
| mc_teo | see? | 02:34 |
| alterego | ebzzry: It's possible, but the backups can't contain duplicates. | 02:34 |
| mc_teo | black squiggles on the status bar | 02:34 |
| Gh0sty | would be fun if it could be combined with alarmed ... so if I am at home and time is 22h put it in offline mode, if I'm not at home leave it on ... | 02:34 |
| mc_teo | cant be dead if shown on a screenshot | 02:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | nox-: Gh0sty: there should be such a thing like "set profile based on location <bool-operator> <arbitrary other sensor or state>" | 02:35 |
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| mc_teo | so have you every seen anything like those marks? | 02:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | there's been DWIW or what it's been called, which aimed at that | 02:36 |
| mc_teo | http://i56.tinypic.com/28cprpe.png | 02:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | dwim? | 02:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | do-what-i-mean? | 02:36 |
| Gh0sty | but anyway need to reinstall the n900 emulator again | 02:37 |
| Gh0sty | reinstalled machine on SSD drive ... its crazy fast now :) | 02:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | #dwimd | 02:37 |
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| DocScrutinizer | „dwimd - the environment sensing gestalt optimizer for the n900 - http://hg.alexanderweb.de/dwimd-main/“. | 02:38 |
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| Gh0sty | lol | 02:40 |
| Gh0sty | even the orientation of the phone :p | 02:40 |
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| ebzzry | alterego: Yes, the backup doesn't contain duplicates | 02:41 |
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| DocScrutinizer | damn, he's gone | 02:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer | alterego: joining contacts? | 02:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | joining contacts is easy: import vcard | 02:44 |
| alterego | DocScrutinizer: im messages :P | 02:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | ooh | 02:44 |
| alterego | Well, basically el-v1.db | 02:45 |
| alterego | Heh, I was about to say I'll reply to his tmo post tomorrow, but I'm going to bed now. | 02:46 |
| alterego | I've gota solution but it'll take a few minutes to put together. | 02:46 |
| alterego | Later folks | 02:46 |
| Gh0sty | hmm actually now that it happens again | 02:49 |
| mc_teo | http://i56.tinypic.com/28cprpe.png | 02:49 |
| mc_teo | so have you every seen anything like those marks? | 02:49 |
| Gh0sty | is there an easy way to prevent my phone checking for updates over gprs? | 02:49 |
| Gh0sty | only do it over wifi | 02:49 |
| Gh0sty | or disable it completely and only trigger it manually | 02:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer | see personalizing-maemo wiki page | 02:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://wiki.maemo.org/Customizing_Maemo#Disabling_Auto_Updates_Check | 02:52 |
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| DocScrutinizer | iirc there's also been a key to define which networks to use for updates | 02:53 |
| ptl | ~pr1.3 | 02:53 |
| infobot | hmm... pr1.3 is the latest (and probably last) software update for Fremantle, available since Monday October 25 2010. More information at http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_5/PR1.3 -- see ~flashing for how to update | 02:53 |
| * panda|x201 looking for qole again ... | 02:54 | |
| panda|x201 | Jaffa, around? | 02:54 |
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| Gh0sty | is there a difference between offline mode and tablet mode? :/ | 02:59 |
| Gh0sty | as far as i can see tablet mode still alows you to connect to wifi while offline does not | 03:00 |
| Gh0sty | but there isn't a way to switch to tablet mode for example with alarmed :/ | 03:00 |
| nox- | Gh0sty, at least you can tell it to ask before connecting to cell ip | 03:01 |
| Gh0sty | yes thats what I have | 03:02 |
| pupnik | “I’ve noticed lately that the paranoid fear of computers becoming intelligent and taking over the world has almost entirely disappeared from the common culture. Near as I can tell, this coincides with the release of MS-DOS.” - Larry DeLuca | 03:02 |
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| nox- | haha pupnik | 03:02 |
| ptl | post hoc ergo propter hoc | 03:02 |
| Gh0sty | but its a bit slow when you only have 2g reception, quickly want to look something up but in the mean time it's also fetching the catalogs i guess ... | 03:02 |
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| Gh0sty | how to see whats behind a menu button? wonder what command that tablet mode button actually executes :p | 03:05 |
| SpeedEvil | strace | 03:06 |
| Gh0sty | lol ok :p | 03:06 |
| FauxFaux | Worst idea ever. :p | 03:06 |
| Gh0sty | thats shooting a fly with a canon as usual :p | 03:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | nuke the fly! | 03:07 |
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| DocScrutinizer | for profile switching: see dbus cmds | 03:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | for tablet mode: see dbus cmds? | 03:09 |
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| DocScrutinizer | http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Jebba/DBUS#dbus-send-switch-profile | 03:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer | http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Jebba/DBUS#dbus-send-switch-to-offline-mode | 03:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Jebba/DBUS#dbus-send-disconnect-net ? | 03:11 |
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| mc_teo | http://i56.tinypic.com/28cprpe.png | 03:15 |
| mc_teo | so have you every seen anything like those marks? | 03:15 |
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| nox- | which marks | 03:16 |
| nox- | ? | 03:16 |
| mc_teo | the black ones | 03:17 |
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| mc_teo | in the titlebar/status bar of the screenshot | 03:17 |
| mc_teo | anyways, im off now | 03:18 |
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| nox- | oh they're difficult to see | 03:20 |
| * nox- no idea anyway | 03:20 | |
| pupnik | “There’s an old story about the person who wished his computer were as easy to use as his telephone. That wish has come true, since I no longer know how to use my telephone.” (Bjarne Stroustrup) | 03:21 |
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| nox- | rofl | 03:24 |
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| toresbe | misquote; it's originally "I have always wished for my computer to be as easy to use as my telephone; my wish has come true because I can no longer figure out how to use my telephone." | 03:25 |
| toresbe | Enter the quote nazi! | 03:25 |
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| Gh0sty | <callback service="com.nokia.phone.SSC" path="/com/nokia/phone/SSC" interface="com.nokia.phone.SSC" method="set_radio" bus="system" autostart="true"> | 03:28 |
| Gh0sty | <argument type="boolean">false</argument> | 03:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | nox-: mc-teo: looks like video ram dropouts | 03:28 |
| Gh0sty | so thats another dbus call | 03:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | SCNR - a typical symptom of OC | 03:28 |
| nox- | oh | 03:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | of course can happen completely unrelated to OC | 03:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | but the class of error is the one you'd expect for chip burnouts caused by OC anyway | 03:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Gh0sty: :nod: | 03:34 |
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| Gh0sty | dbus-send can only be done as root? :/ | 03:37 |
| Gh0sty | dbus-send --system --dest=com.nokia.phone.SSC /com/nokia/phone/SSC com.nokia.phone.SSC.set_radio boolean:false | 03:37 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Gh0sty: for system bus yes | 03:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | I guess | 03:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | nah, nonsense | 03:41 |
| Gh0sty | does not look like it's working | 03:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | that doesn't work | 03:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | incorrect syntax, no? | 03:41 |
| Gh0sty | it was just a guess based on the xml line above which I got from the package ... :p | 03:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | compare arbitrary other cmd: | 03:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | dbus-send --session --dest=com.nokia.HildonDesktop.AppMgr --type=method_call /com/nokia/HildonDesktop/AppMgr com.nokia.HildonDesktop.AppMgr.LaunchApplication string:MyApp | 03:42 |
| Gh0sty | not really familiar with dbus :x | 03:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer | me neither | 03:43 |
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| pupnik | ahh svn checkout https://vcs.maemo.org/svn/osso-xterm | 03:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | but I know it's a PITA to repeat dest, add, and method, for no obvious reason | 03:44 |
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| DocScrutinizer | haha | 03:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | addr* | 03:44 |
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| DocScrutinizer | yeah those svn pages look smart in a html browser | 03:46 |
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| Gh0sty | think i got it :p | 03:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | you *think*? | 03:48 |
| Gh0sty | yes :) | 03:48 |
| Gh0sty | just checking first :p | 03:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | doesn't it clearly show in system area? | 03:48 |
| Gh0sty | dbus-send --system --type=method_call --dest=com.nokia.phone.SSC /com/nokia/phone/SSC com.nokia.phone.SSC.set_radio boolean:false | 03:48 |
| Gh0sty | like this | 03:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | this is offline | 03:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | ? | 03:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | GSM offline | 03:49 |
| Gh0sty | this is tablet mode | 03:49 |
| Gh0sty | not 100% the same as offline :p | 03:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | not really, this is GSM off | 03:49 |
| Gh0sty | it does not ask you to go online when you want to enable wifi | 03:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | if wlan isn't activated, then this call will not do that for you | 03:49 |
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| Gh0sty | ? | 03:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | what's with calls? | 03:50 |
| Gh0sty | I want to put my n900 in tablet mode during the evening/night | 03:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | I know | 03:50 |
| Gh0sty | but might be that I pick it to do some surfing :p | 03:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's not been my question though | 03:51 |
| Gh0sty | i dont quite understand your question then :p | 03:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | can you still make phonecalls? | 03:51 |
| Gh0sty | when you go into phone mode again ... | 03:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | my guess: no | 03:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer | :nod: so this command switches off phone+GPRS | 03:52 |
| Gh0sty | yes | 03:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | but it doesn't change whatever the state of WIFI | 03:52 |
| Gh0sty | ah yes | 03:52 |
| Gh0sty | but for that I got autodisconnect :p | 03:53 |
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| DocScrutinizer | sure, but I like to add it to wiki | 03:53 |
| Gh0sty | for my purpose it's what I want | 03:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | and that should be precise | 03:53 |
| Gh0sty | I want phone disconnected from gsm + gprs but still in tablet mode (wifi) possible | 03:54 |
| Gh0sty | so lets see | 03:54 |
| * Gh0sty turns on wifi | 03:54 | |
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| Gh0sty | run my script | 03:55 |
| Gh0sty | and the wifi is still there | 03:55 |
| Gh0sty | good :) | 03:55 |
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| Gh0sty | anyway time for some sleep | 03:58 |
| Gh0sty | g'nite and thx DocScrutinizer :) | 03:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer | n8 & yw | 03:59 |
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| nox- | stupid q: how do you record video on n900? | 04:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | hehe | 04:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | from main cam? | 04:06 |
| nox- | yeah | 04:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | mode in still cam (usually "A") | 04:07 |
| nox- | ah | 04:07 |
| nox- | std cam app | 04:07 |
| nox- | ? | 04:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep | 04:07 |
| nox- | ok | 04:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | I always found this a really suboptimal UI | 04:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'd prefer two dedicated icons to start up in either still or video mode | 04:08 |
| nox- | *nod* | 04:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer | also, on opening lens slider, video should start immediately (reporter mode). If you don't "start the recording with trigger button, then the recorded video can get deleted on slider close | 04:10 |
| pupnik | nice one | 04:10 |
| nox- | mh | 04:10 |
| nox- | and since you asked, how would you use the front cam? | 04:12 |
| SpeedEvil | Open shutter, pointed down, flashlight goes on. | 04:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | so, on slider open: start audio/video recording, depending on ALS start flashlight, open up a menu with three buttons for "video", "still cam", flashlight to select. | 04:13 |
| pupnik | this osso-xterm is current https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/osso-xterm/?root=osso-xterm 0.14.mh24? | 04:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | err, mirror? | 04:13 |
| Arkenoi | four buttons: mbarcode | 04:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | Arkenoi: ACK!!! | 04:13 |
| nox- | :) | 04:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: good option | 04:14 |
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| Choom | is there a way to capture audio any higher level than ALSA in maemon? | 04:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | of course all this needs a wrench icon to open up a config dialog | 04:15 |
| Choom | hopefully one that could be easily ported to meego in the future | 04:16 |
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| DocScrutinizer | *cough* | 04:16 |
| Choom | s/n// | 04:17 |
| infobot | Choom meant: hopefully oe that could be easily ported to meego in the future | 04:17 |
| Choom | omg | 04:17 |
| Choom | it corrected the wrong line :P | 04:17 |
| Choom | and I was unaware of this feature | 04:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-P | 04:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Choom: I *guess* you should search the wiki and other source of info for keyword 'mafw' | 04:18 |
| Choom | ok, thanks | 04:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | possibly source of recaller also has some inspiration for you | 04:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | or was it recall? | 04:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | "recall means REcord ALL" :-D | 04:21 |
| Choom | great | 04:21 |
| Choom | it's recaller | 04:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer | nocfront cam is video1, main is video0, or other way round | 04:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | nox-: | 04:24 |
| nox- | ah so you need custom code? (ffmpeg?) | 04:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep | 04:25 |
| nox- | i c | 04:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | or you rename the cams :-P | 04:26 |
| nox- | hah | 04:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | nox-: do a ps | 04:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | grep cam | 04:26 |
| * nox- has to symlink his /dev/dvb/adapter{8,9} to 1 and 2 so that vdr would find them... | 04:27 | |
| nox- | (not on maemo tho :) | 04:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-D | 04:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | same idea | 04:27 |
| pupnik | wonder if 'inz' is still around | 04:28 |
| pupnik | good friends we had, good friends we've lost... | 04:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | inz? | 04:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | nox-: main and front cam are muxed, so mutually exclusive | 04:29 |
| pupnik | http://inz.fi/blog/category/geeky/maemo/maemo-hackers/osso-xterm/ | 04:29 |
| pupnik | good grief, 770 was 5 years ago | 04:29 |
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| pupnik | who else remembers tigert | 04:31 |
| nox- | thx DocScrutinizer | 04:32 |
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| nox- | so whats the status of kernel-power now, is 45 ok to use again? will it break fcam? | 05:51 |
| Proteous | do you like fire? | 05:51 |
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| nox- | haha well im not after the oc featueres, more kismet and saner charging | 05:53 |
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| Proteous | heh | 05:56 |
| Proteous | I don't know it's current status | 05:56 |
| nox- | yeah ok | 05:58 |
| fredrin | i wnat a grand-unified-kernel with wifi injection.... | 06:01 |
| fredrin | but that cant be made into reality :( | 06:01 |
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| fredrin | want, want, want | 06:03 |
| fredrin | people are not ready for work yet? | 06:06 |
| fredrin | lol | 06:06 |
| fredrin | or just late from party, heh | 06:06 |
| fredrin | apt-get install girls or in meego 'yum yummy mmmm girls' | 06:07 |
| lolcat | Do meego use yum? :( | 06:14 |
| jpwhiting | lolcat: yes, or zypper | 06:15 |
| jpwhiting | I think they are leaning towards zypper lately | 06:15 |
| lolcat | I like apt-get... | 06:15 |
| jpwhiting | indeed | 06:16 |
| fredrin | when will it be decided? | 06:18 |
| lolcat | Is it based on something else? | 06:18 |
| fredrin | must be an important choice? | 06:18 |
| jpwhiting | fredrin: I think you can use both together just fine | 06:19 |
| jpwhiting | lolcat: is what based on something else? | 06:19 |
| fredrin | good | 06:19 |
| lolcat | jpwhiting: Megoo | 06:23 |
| lolcat | meego | 06:23 |
| jpwhiting | lolcat: meego is based on lots of things, linux, X, rpm, etc. etc. | 06:24 |
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| jpwhiting | Qt | 06:24 |
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| lolcat | I hate rpm | 06:28 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | I hate apt-bla | 06:31 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | dpkg | 06:31 |
| fredrin | jeje, old man, make install ftw | 06:32 |
| fredrin | :P | 06:32 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | not really | 06:32 |
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| fredrin | i like clicking | 06:32 |
| ieatlint | i liked deb until i packaged some debs | 06:32 |
| fredrin | or just touching | 06:32 |
| ieatlint | then i stopped liking it | 06:32 |
| ieatlint | and now it will hold a special place in hell for me | 06:32 |
| fredrin | faster and easier is a pluss | 06:33 |
| fredrin | K.I.S.S. | 06:33 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | of what? fast and simple like HAM? | 06:34 |
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| RobbieThe1st | Hey all. Can anyone send me a copy of the PR1.2+ ARM libc6 deb package? I sort of screwed my system up, but I think I can recover it | 06:36 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | wouldn't even know where to find that | 06:38 |
| RobbieThe1st | Um... "apt-get install --reinstall libc6", then grab it out of /opt/var/cache/apt/ ? | 06:40 |
| luke-jr | that would upgrade it… | 06:41 |
| RobbieThe1st | To what? The current version. | 06:41 |
| RobbieThe1st | Which everyone should already have... | 06:41 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | hah | 06:42 |
| ieatlint | RobbieThe1st: one sec | 06:44 |
| ieatlint | http://tehintereb.com/libc6_2.5.1-1eglibc27+0m5_armel.deb should work | 06:44 |
| ieatlint | err, minus my typo | 06:45 |
| ieatlint | http://tehintereb.com/libc6_2.5.1-1eglibc27+0m5_armel.deb | 06:45 |
| ieatlint | fuck | 06:45 |
| ieatlint | heh | 06:45 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | much too happy with my pr1.2 performance and much too much work done until I got there, to reflash for a PR1.3 that doesn't fix anything for me | 06:45 |
| ieatlint | http://tehinterweb.com/libc6_2.5.1-1eglibc27+0m5_armel.deb | 06:45 |
| RobbieThe1st | Eh, I found that PR1.3 doesn't do much at all - heck, the libc6 versions the same; most everything is | 06:46 |
| ieatlint | pr1.3 fixed stuff for me... it now lets me use qaudioinput to do something that pr1.2 didn't | 06:46 |
| RobbieThe1st | And until yesterday, I was running a PR1.2 kernel, so.. | 06:46 |
| RobbieThe1st | TY ieatlint | 06:46 |
| ieatlint | oh, and for gpl purposes, you are not allowed to download that link :P | 06:46 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | uhuh | 06:47 |
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| RobbieThe1st | *sigh*, Thanks a lot. That makes me so much happier, knowing that I can safely reboot. | 06:50 |
| RobbieThe1st | (I'm pretty sure that it wouldn't have rebooted with half of libc6 missing) | 06:51 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | one thing's for sure. I fixed things in 1.2 that will break again when I upgrade | 06:51 |
| luke-jr | RobbieThe1st: PR1.3 | 06:52 |
| RobbieThe1st | DocScrutinizer51: Why not just upgrade certain packages/package sets, leaving the ones you messed with? It'd probably work, and if you keep a proper OS-image backup, you could always restore | 06:52 |
| djszapi | ifconfig n900 -> n900: error fetching interface information: Device not found | 06:52 |
| djszapi | nay idea ? | 06:53 |
| RobbieThe1st | djszapi: Just type "ifconfig" | 06:53 |
| luke-jr | RobbieThe1st: there is no such thing as a proper OS-image backup for Maemo | 06:53 |
| djszapi | RobbieThe1st: and ? | 06:53 |
| RobbieThe1st | Yup, there is. I wrote it - BackupMenu | 06:53 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | RobbieThe1st: restore is exctly one of the missing options keeping me from messing with 1.3 | 06:54 |
| djszapi | n900 is not there. | 06:54 |
| djszapi | so dunno what the problem is | 06:54 |
| RobbieThe1st | djszapi: wait, what are you trying to do? | 06:54 |
| luke-jr | RobbieThe1st: sorry. I don't trust random people's backup apps | 06:54 |
| djszapi | RobbieThe1st: usb network | 06:54 |
| luke-jr | djszapi: if you're on a PC trying to view the USB net, it's usually called usb0 | 06:54 |
| djszapi | http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_USB_networking | 06:54 |
| djszapi | luke-jr: ofc nope, read the documentation... | 06:55 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | RobbieThe1st: I don't trust in backup menu | 06:55 |
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| luke-jr | djszapi: I've been using usbnet since before there was documentation | 06:55 |
| RobbieThe1st | You can always try it, or read the code and determine yourself if it's acceptable, or just backup via rsync | 06:55 |
| luke-jr | djszapi: before Nokia released 770, even | 06:55 |
| luke-jr | RobbieThe1st: backup via rsync isn't a proper OS image | 06:56 |
| budfive | ~usbhost | 06:56 |
| infobot | [usbhost] http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_USB_Host | 06:56 |
| luke-jr | ~hostmode | 06:56 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | RobbieThe1st: it seems it took 3 months or longer until I shouted loud enough so NAND issue got public notice and action | 06:56 |
| infobot | well, hostmode is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=869527#post869527 | 06:56 |
| luke-jr | ~wiki | 06:57 |
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| luke-jr | ~fxo | 06:57 |
| infobot | [fxo] foreign exchange office - type of port you need to connect a POTS (Plain Old Telephone Service) line from your telco to a pbx. This is the type of port found on phone or fax machine devices. See also: http://www.digium.com/index.php?menu=fxsvfxo | 06:57 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | and fofr the trying ... :-P | 06:57 |
| djszapi|work | sorry, I was frozen | 06:57 |
| djszapi|work | what happened since my last post with 'djszapi'. | 06:57 |
| luke-jr | [23:55:49] <luke-jr> djszapi: I've been using usbnet since before there was documentation | 06:57 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | sure I can try, to find it ruined my system | 06:57 |
| luke-jr | [23:55:59] <luke-jr> djszapi: before Nokia released 770, even | 06:57 |
| luke-jr | ~fxs | 06:58 |
| infobot | [fxs] foreign exchange station - type of port you need to connect an analog device (phone, fax machine) to a pbx. This is the type of port found in your wall jack. | 06:58 |
| djszapi|work | luke-jr: how can I make it work then ? | 06:58 |
| luke-jr | djszapi|work: configure usb0 | 06:58 |
| djszapi|work | I have just followed the instructions in the documentation (official) | 06:58 |
| djszapi|work | configure what ? | 06:58 |
| luke-jr | ifconfig usb0 192.168.0.1 netmask 255.255.255.0 | 06:58 |
| djszapi|work | that is not enough | 06:58 |
| luke-jr | then on the other end: ifconfig usb0 192.168.0.2 netmask 255.255.255.0 | 06:58 |
| RobbieThe1st | DocScrutinizer51: All that means is that the community isn't entirely in one place. I don't watch the mailing list, so I didn't know until I got emailed. Either way though, you can always just sort through the code yourself - I'd love a second opinion and or fixes. | 06:58 |
| djszapi|work | I have already tried it out | 06:59 |
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| luke-jr | djszapi|work: WORKS FOR ME | 06:59 |
| djszapi|work | it does not help for me at all, if you keep saying it... | 07:00 |
| RobbieThe1st | Y'know, I'd use 192.168.2.1 and 192.168.2.2 - some home networks use 192.168.0 or 192.168.1 | 07:00 |
| djszapi|work | root /home/djszapi # ifconfig usb0 192.168.0.2 netmask 255.255.255.0 root /home/djszapi # -> there is no internet connection on the target device. | 07:00 |
| djszapi|work | so I cannot install an ssh server. | 07:00 |
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| RobbieThe1st | djszapi|work: Wait, why not? Download ssh-server .deb package(and dependancies), copy them over via USB mode... | 07:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | using 192.168.2.x for N900 IP for sure was a rather poor decision | 07:01 |
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| luke-jr | djszapi|work: it's a network connection. nothing more. | 07:02 |
| luke-jr | djszapi|work: point A to point B | 07:02 |
| djszapi|work | what do you mean ? | 07:02 |
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| djszapi|work | documentation writes: "You can browse on the internet after this operation" | 07:02 |
| luke-jr | if you want point A to point B to point C, you need point B to do some kind of proxying | 07:02 |
| luke-jr | perhaps throw usb0 into a bridge with your ethernet card | 07:02 |
| luke-jr | brctl addbr lan0 | 07:03 |
| luke-jr | brctl addif lan0 eth0 | 07:03 |
| luke-jr | brctl addif lan0 usb0 | 07:03 |
| luke-jr | (then reconfigure lan0 for your LAN IP and stuff) | 07:03 |
| djszapi|work | nothing like that is written in the documentation. | 07:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | actually 192.168.[0-4,100, 150..200] all seem bad subnet masks for general purpose | 07:03 |
| luke-jr | who cares about the documentation | 07:03 |
| RobbieThe1st | djszapi|work: Documentation is not infalible | 07:03 |
| djszapi|work | I do not care about what you write. | 07:03 |
| RobbieThe1st | Especially around here | 07:03 |
| luke-jr | it exists for printing and slamming on n00b's heads | 07:03 |
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| djszapi|work | ofc I prefer the official documentation. | 07:03 |
| luke-jr | … | 07:04 |
| luke-jr | wiki isn't official anything | 07:04 |
| luke-jr | I could delete that page on a whim | 07:04 |
| RobbieThe1st | djszapi|work: If you won't let people -here- help you, you might as well keep whining. | 07:04 |
| luke-jr | RobbieThe1st: don't encourage teh whining | 07:04 |
| djszapi|work | it is not a help at all. | 07:04 |
| * luke-jr slams a 1 ton box of printed wiki articles on djszapi|work's fingers. | 07:05 | |
| RobbieThe1st | Sorry, that didn't come out how I wanted it, but I'm trying not to insult anyone | 07:05 |
| djszapi|work | he practically did not say anything useful. | 07:05 |
| RobbieThe1st | Yes, he did | 07:05 |
| djszapi|work | where can I find this debian ssh server file ? | 07:07 |
| djszapi|work | there is maemo 5 currently on the n900, but I would like to replace it for meego, I need an ssh connection. | 07:07 |
| RobbieThe1st | First off, it's not ready to be replaced. | 07:08 |
| djszapi|work | try to focus for the question pls. | 07:08 |
| RobbieThe1st | I think you -might- be able to make phone calls, but things aren't ready for even alpha. | 07:08 |
| djszapi|work | ^^^ | 07:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | OFFICIAL docs??? o.O | 07:09 |
| RobbieThe1st | http://maemo.org/packages/view/openssh-server/ | 07:09 |
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| SpeedEvil | People here wrote large slices of the wiki. | 07:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ~tell djszapi|work about question | 07:10 |
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| djszapi|work | http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_armel/openssh-server/5.1p1-6.maemo5/ -> I do not see any download link here. | 07:11 |
| djszapi|work | DocScrutinizer: welcome to my ignore list | 07:11 |
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| RobbieThe1st | Thanks | 07:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | yw | 07:13 |
| ieatlint | take pleasure in the fact that guy is going to be bricking his phone shortly | 07:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | sure | 07:14 |
| RobbieThe1st | Too bad I don't have enough money to pick it up at half-price off Ebay in a couple weeks | 07:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's more of a relief he might not come back whining about it | 07:14 |
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| ieatlint | oh hey, the uboot image to allow dual booting was released for the n900... i clearly haven't been paying enough attention lately | 07:16 |
| * nox- was too lazy to mess with usb networking and setup wifi here just for the n900... :) | 07:17 | |
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| DocScrutinizer | ieatlint: even comes prepackaged with powerkernel now, aiui | 07:17 |
| nox- | oh? | 07:17 |
| ieatlint | exciting... now i just need to find a big enough spare microsd or clear off the one on my device | 07:17 |
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| nox- | bbl | 07:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | o/ | 07:19 |
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| RobbieThe1st | I'm going to be making a short video to stick up on Youtube showing how to flash your n900 using a Ubuntu LiveCD. Any thoughts or suggestions, guys? | 07:25 |
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| SpeedEvil | Put Queen - Flash in the background. | 07:26 |
| * nox- imagines the following `this video is not available in your country, contains content from $foo'... :/ | 07:27 | |
| pupnik | lol | 07:27 |
| pupnik | just typing what nox- wrote | 07:27 |
| nox- | pupnik, you seen the sony ad where they got censored themselves? :) | 07:28 |
| pupnik | no | 07:28 |
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| nox- | http://www.youtube.com/braviainmotionde | 07:29 |
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| nox- | anyway its a nice idea RobbieThe1st, might help the windows addicts | 07:32 |
| RobbieThe1st | Sorta what I was thinking | 07:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer | god gracious, that dude was the betatester of yesterday. Now he's talking with his boss at Nokia about me kicking him. Alas he thinks he has to tell me about in /query | 07:33 |
| nox- | o_O | 07:33 |
| RobbieThe1st | I think we can all agree that you did the right thing | 07:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | lol | 07:34 |
| pupnik | i can assume it | 07:36 |
| nox- | i guess its true tho usb notworking could be more `userfriendly'... | 07:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | sure | 07:36 |
| nox- | i guess thats all he was upset about | 07:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer | nah, read backscroll. He claimed he got no helpful advice here and insisted same time the wiki is right while we (who wrote the wiki) are wrong | 07:37 |
| nox- | mh | 07:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | and he seriously had to rething his expectations | 07:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | rethink | 07:38 |
| Khertan_ | khertan | 07:39 |
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| Khertan_ | oups ... this isn't the search field :) | 07:39 |
| ieatlint | lol, i just had an ubuntu vm in virtualbox eat itself... while doing an apt-get install of the meego sdk, it managed to destroy its partition table | 07:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | haha | 07:39 |
| nox- | whut :) | 07:40 |
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| ieatlint | yeah, no clue | 07:40 |
| Khertan_ | ieatlint: i destroy my ubuntu partition table with an apt-get install too ... but not in a vm, and not with meego sdk | 07:40 |
| Khertan_ | less luck | 07:40 |
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| nox- | Khertan_, also meego sdk? | 07:40 |
| ieatlint | it just suddenly errored mid-download (hadn't started installing, so it wasn't a meego issue) saying readonly fs | 07:41 |
| ieatlint | then froze, and now won't boot, saying it can't find a partition table | 07:41 |
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| nox- | crazy | 07:41 |
| ieatlint | yeah, good thing i don't care... i just set up the vm for this purpose, so whatever | 07:41 |
| ieatlint | i'm thinking it was the vbox guest additions | 07:42 |
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| pupnik | it would be nice if we didn't have to dork around to get a VM-based testbed | 07:42 |
| ieatlint | i see a kernel trace before it fails to find the partition table | 07:42 |
| ieatlint | cuts it off though, can't read it all :( | 07:43 |
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| ieatlint | and yeah, they obfuscated it with the 1.1 sdk. the 1.0 sdk was just a chroot, now it's "you must install through apt, yum or zypper" ... thanks | 07:45 |
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| Khertan_ | and previously (two week before ... i did an apt-get upgrade ... and oh ... a libc update.... grrrrr) | 07:45 |
| Khertan_ | now i use debian and stable debian lenny repository (no more ubuntu) | 07:45 |
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| RobbieThe1st | Oh, gees. If that guy was a Nokia tester, no wonder Nokia's so screwed up | 07:49 |
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| nox-- | anyway im off | 07:50 |
| pupnik | cu nox-- | 07:52 |
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| frals | DocScrutinizer: what should i search backlog for to find yesterdays "betatester"? :P | 07:56 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | I think NDA or his nick would do | 07:56 |
| frals | what was his nick? | 07:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | you got no 50 lines backscroll? | 07:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | <djszapi|work> ^^^ | 07:59 |
| frals | somehow managed to miss it, ty | 08:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer | yw | 08:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | RobbieThe1st: I think I said an almost identical sentence yesterday :-D | 08:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer | funny detail, he tells me I made it on his ignore list (as I dared to ask infobot to tell him about ~question), then he queries me and threatens me he'll talk to his boss about me, just to finally tell me I shouldn't bother to answer anymore, as he now puts me on his ignore list "forever!!" - what a luser | 08:06 |
| RobbieThe1st | Yes. | 08:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | where "finally" is 10 minutes after | 08:06 |
| ieatlint | oh shit, he's going to talk to his boss | 08:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | oh shit, I'm scared to death | 08:06 |
| RobbieThe1st | I'm helping him... Oh, man. He's having trouble with USB Mass Storage mode. | 08:06 |
| ieatlint | i feel sorry for his co-workers and boss | 08:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah | 08:07 |
| frals | at least hes not connecting from a nokia host ;o | 08:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | I reminded him about irclog and he should tell his boss where to find it | 08:08 |
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| lardman | morning | 08:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | morning | 08:08 |
| lardman | hi Doc | 08:08 |
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| Kaadlajk | apparently he works for symbio | 08:08 |
| ieatlint | if a nokia beta testers can't figure out how to install sshd on maemo, then... heh | 08:09 |
| ieatlint | well, i hear nokia is laying off some people | 08:09 |
| Macer | hello | 08:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | guess who's next :-P | 08:09 |
| Macer | so when is pr2.0 due out? :) | 08:09 |
| frals | regardless, if he had trouble setting up usbnetworking hes going to enjoy meego for sure ;o | 08:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | HAHAHA | 08:09 |
| * Macer hides | 08:09 | |
| DocScrutinizer | ~pr2.0 | 08:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | knew it | 08:10 |
| Macer | :) | 08:10 |
| ieatlint | Macer: it's already out | 08:10 |
| ieatlint | and it's AWESOME | 08:10 |
| ieatlint | i wouldn't have put that in caps otherwise | 08:10 |
| RobbieThe1st | :O Wow! | 08:10 |
| Macer | well. n900 vid chats. not too many other phones that do that | 08:10 |
| Macer | the evo does according to the commercials | 08:11 |
| RobbieThe1st | I just installed PR2.0, and they finally fixed things! They magically added an extra 250mb of ram! *gasp* | 08:11 |
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| Macer | RobbieThe1st: didn't they do that to begin with? | 08:11 |
| * lardman just wants a digital compass | 08:11 | |
| RobbieThe1st | ? You mean swap? | 08:12 |
| Macer | with the swap that they were counting as ram | 08:12 |
| Macer | yah | 08:12 |
| RobbieThe1st | Yea, kinda sad actually. True, it is -technically- counted as ram by the OS as in applications can use it... but | 08:12 |
| Macer | you know what tho. DocScrutinizer was right a while back where he says the n900 does everything he needs | 08:12 |
| RobbieThe1st | Give me 512mb of real ram, and I'd be extremely happy | 08:13 |
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| Macer | it really does what i need it to do | 08:13 |
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| Macer | just wish maemo wasnt dumped | 08:13 |
| RobbieThe1st | ^^ | 08:13 |
| RobbieThe1st | Maemo > MeeGo. .deb > .rpm | 08:13 |
| lardman | I see no problem with that, Meego should be similar and at least it will be actively developed | 08:13 |
| Macer | lardman: once they really get it going | 08:14 |
| lardman | as opposed to staying with Maemo in current form | 08:14 |
| lardman | sure, it'll take a little while, and in the meantime we have Maemo | 08:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | Macer: it sucks a bit on preparing cafe latte | 08:14 |
| Macer | and i mean an alpha that supports all the hw | 08:14 |
| Macer | once i see meego fully support all n900 hw it will be something serious :) | 08:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | meego for N900 will never be a real option / alternative | 08:15 |
| Macer | DocScrutinizer: i think i agree with you there | 08:16 |
| lardman | Nah, I reckon it will be | 08:16 |
| SpeedEvil | http://linux.slashdot.org/story/10/11/16/0056234/AMD-Joins-Intels-MeeGo-OS-Effort | 08:16 |
| lardman | perhaps not officially supported, but with the lack of alternative handset hw I can't see it being forgotten | 08:16 |
| SpeedEvil | SHR | 08:16 |
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| DocScrutinizer | too much insider knowledge going into SoC/DSP whatnot, to let meego compete with maemo performance and power saving ever | 08:17 |
| lardman | DSP is reasonably open, most of the necessary drivers are available - the two stumbling blocks were battery and powervr and there's drivers for both | 08:18 |
| * slonopotamus yawns | 08:18 | |
| DocScrutinizer | so we'll end up with a performant maemo without developer support and bit rotting, and a meego-arm with lots of shiny apps on a poor foundation OS | 08:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | lardman: I disagree, and just say SmartReflex | 08:19 |
| BJ_Covert_Action | kinda random, but, does anyone know if there is a way to open a Gpass password list in Password Safe on the N900? | 08:20 |
| lardman | DocScrutinizer: sure, but someone inside Nokia (who are developing the base system) knows how it works presumably | 08:20 |
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| SpeedEvil | lardman: err - no | 08:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | but will they implement that knowledge into mainstream? so it reaches meego eventually? | 08:21 |
| SpeedEvil | lardman: someone at nokia or employed by nokia at one point knew how it worked. | 08:21 |
| SpeedEvil | lardman: This does not mean the meego team inherently knows how it works, or is competent in that area to use the knowledge. | 08:21 |
| lardman | Well it won't be any different to what we currently have then will it? | 08:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: true | 08:22 |
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| johnx | pop quiz: what does google chrome do when it sees: <img src=""> | 08:22 |
| RobbieThe1st | Crash? | 08:22 |
| lardman | as it's disabled anyway, etc | 08:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | meego team not even gets a proper g-meter driver | 08:22 |
| johnx | RobbieThe1st, good guess, but the truth is actually stranger | 08:23 |
| RobbieThe1st | ? | 08:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | lardman: not anymore | 08:23 |
| johnx | no other takers? | 08:23 |
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| lardman | DocScrutinizer: what pr1.3? | 08:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep | 08:23 |
| lardman | johnx: no idea, tell us :) | 08:23 |
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| johnx | it actually goes out and downloads the *current page* as if it was an image | 08:23 |
| lardman | DocScrutinizer: interesting, in which case I guess the Meego devs will inherit the knowledge/setup | 08:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | maybe, maybe not | 08:24 |
| slonopotamus | johnx: kills a kitten? | 08:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer | meego is strictly upstream oriented | 08:24 |
| johnx | so you end up with GET currentpage.php followed immediately by GET currentpage.php | 08:24 |
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| slonopotamus | DocScrutinizer: gmeter? wtf are you talking about? it doesn't have _charging_ working. forget about advanced stuff for a while. | 08:24 |
| slonopotamus | johnx: that thing should load current page _again_, figure out it has non-image content-type and throw it away. | 08:24 |
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| slonopotamus | johnx: that's correct behavior (and if you have browser that doesn't do that, it's broken) | 08:25 |
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| johnx | slonopotamus, yup, bingo. it is "according to spec" | 08:25 |
| slonopotamus | johnx: and what did you expect it to do after all? | 08:26 |
| johnx | slonopotamus, the img src="" was another dev's way of "disabling an icon in the navbar" | 08:26 |
| johnx | so I had no *&$%ing clue what was hitting my page twice | 08:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | johnx: that | 08:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | 's optimization :-P | 08:27 |
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| slonopotamus | johnx: commenting out img tag was too easy? | 08:28 |
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| johnx | slonopotamus, he did it with js ... | 08:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | auto-optimization then | 08:28 |
| sejo | anyone else feels that his n900 is sluggish since updating to PR1.3? | 08:28 |
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| DocScrutinizer | lardman: I'm not absolutely sure about that SR thing in PR1.3 kernel | 08:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | lardman: please check changelog for yourself | 08:30 |
| lardman | No worries, I didn't even know it existed | 08:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | as that "tester" dude accused me to be a liar, I don't want to start with that now :-D | 08:31 |
| lardman | dragly: ping | 08:33 |
| lardman | dragly: just wondering what changes you made to mBarcode 2.4.0 as there's nothing in the repo | 08:33 |
| lardman | 0.2.4 rather | 08:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Hope you fix(ed) the macro overexposure problem. flash is useless for mbarcode | 08:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | just like it was on (pre?)Pr1.1 for normal macro pictures | 08:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | FWIW | 08:36 |
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| lardman | me? | 08:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer | whoever | 08:36 |
| lardman | that's down to the gst pipeline | 08:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | eeeqw | 08:37 |
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| lardman | yeah, it's probably possible to override it, but best to just use more light | 08:37 |
| lardman | I'll add it to my "to look at" list | 08:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep | 08:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-D | 08:37 |
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| lardman | hmm, so my Python script can do things like print, but what I really want is to create windows and other graphical objects | 08:40 |
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| slonopotamus | you'll need to print a lot | 08:41 |
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| lardman | where script means scripting from inside a C++ app | 08:41 |
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| lardman | just wondering why I can't create a QWidget - or rather when I do so the C++ app loses focus, but I see no window | 08:41 |
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| lardman | probably got lots of orphaned windows that don't want to show up in the task switcher :) | 08:42 |
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| slonopotamus | because QWidget isn't a window? or you didn't run eventloop? | 08:42 |
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| lardman | QWidget can be made into a window in normal Python code though | 08:43 |
| lardman | afaiu | 08:43 |
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| lardman | yeah the event loop may be troublesome, as that's running in the C++ code | 08:43 |
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| RobbieThe1st | heh | 08:44 |
| RobbieThe1st | Y'know, I should probably pastebin some of that guy's convo with me. It's kind of funny | 08:45 |
| ieatlint | lardman: take a look at qdialog | 08:46 |
| ieatlint | or qmainwindow, heh | 08:46 |
| lardman | anyone happen to know what happens if you try to create more than one QApplication in Python code? | 08:46 |
| RobbieThe1st | I don't think it works | 08:46 |
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| ieatlint | i don't know... i have a feeling the popular response to whether it does will be "why would you want to?" | 08:47 |
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| lardman | well because I wonder if I should try running that in my Python script | 08:48 |
| lardman | no, so creating a QMainWindow also makes the app lose focus but no window is created as far as I can see | 08:49 |
| lardman | looks like I might need to delve deeper into the Python C code | 08:50 |
| RobbieThe1st | Hm... Can't you just grab a PyQt4 tutorial? | 08:50 |
| lardman | that's what I'm following, but it doesn't work | 08:51 |
| ieatlint | are you testing this on the n900 or on a desktop? | 08:51 |
| lardman | and this is trying to script a C++ app using Python, so not quite the same premise | 08:51 |
| lardman | N900 | 08:51 |
| ieatlint | "script a C++ app using Python" -- that doesn't appear to make sense | 08:52 |
| RobbieThe1st | ^^ | 08:52 |
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| lardman | C++ app, use Python from within the app to allow people to write scripts that do things with the app | 08:53 |
| ieatlint | i would suggest testing to see if it works on a desktop, and if not, then start from there | 08:53 |
| lardman | it won't, it's mBarcode, so it's quite tightly coupled to the N900 setup | 08:54 |
| lardman | I could write a test harness I suppose, more wasted time | 08:54 |
| ieatlint | oooh, i see what you're trying to do | 08:54 |
| ieatlint | uh, it kinda sounds janky, but what you would likely need to do is run off the c++'s qapp | 08:55 |
| lardman | yeah, wrap it and pass across perhaps | 08:55 |
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| ieatlint | like c++ has a qmainwindow, and you have the python script make a qwidget, and setCentralWidget() it in c++ passing the pointer | 08:55 |
| ieatlint | but it sounds pretty janky | 08:55 |
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| lardman | I had hoped that I could just have the plugins (python scripts) create their own window and just do stuff in that | 08:57 |
| lardman | but another possibility is to pass then a QMainWindow that they can create widgets in | 08:58 |
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| lardman | but I still think getting the event loops hooked together might be a pita | 08:58 |
| flux | lardman, at times I've thought that it'd be nice if mbarcode would continuously scan barcodes and show whatever URL my camera is pointed at. would that work with your new plugin architecture? | 08:58 |
| ieatlint | i'm wondering if you could pull something with qdialog | 08:58 |
| flux | (that is, it would do that without me needing to push any buttons, just move the camera towards another object) | 08:59 |
| lardman | flux: it will pull up a results window I'm afraid | 08:59 |
| lardman | flux: but I'm thinking that people might want a default plugin handler, so we should make that possible, then your handler could be called and generate e.g. a banner with the url | 08:59 |
| flux | lardman, I actually patched an older version of mbarcode to not pull up the results window if there's only one result within a certain (small) time period.. | 08:59 |
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| ieatlint | try and run this: QMessageBox::information( 0, "test", "test" ); | 08:59 |
| flux | but it still required interactivity to get a new scan | 09:00 |
| flux | but having only one result might not be realistic, I had to remove some of the modules so that the URL was the only one remaining | 09:00 |
| flux | I'm thinking maybe such an application would possibly be a fully separate program from mBarCode, though | 09:01 |
| flux | (but then again perhaps people would like to derive other kinds of urls from the bar codes and that'd work as well) | 09:01 |
| lardman | ieatlint: will do in a tick | 09:02 |
| flux | lardman, thing is I have a set of boxes with qr codes on and the code points to a web page describing box contents | 09:02 |
| lardman | flux: you could listen for the DBus messages | 09:02 |
| flux | so I'd like to quickly point to a box and see if it's what I want; if not, point it to the next box, etc | 09:03 |
| lardman | though really I think it should be possible, if there's only a single plugin that can handle the barcode payload, to not display the results window and go directly to the plugin | 09:03 |
| lardman | that would do what you wanted | 09:03 |
| flux | lardman, it almost does it, but it doesn't automatically resume scanning in that case | 09:03 |
| RST38h | lardman: remember how we discussed automaticallyopening the web browser when the scanned code is a URL? | 09:03 |
| flux | nor, in the case of loading a web page, does it close the previous result | 09:03 |
| flux | (sequential scans would likely find the same page over and over again) | 09:04 |
| lardman | RST38h: atm there's a button you click to open url, and another to copy the url | 09:04 |
| flux | (I wonder if there's a way to make a current web browser go to another page instead of opening a new one..) | 09:04 |
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| lardman | flux: that can be changed - the page opening stuff, it depends on the DBus call | 09:04 |
| lardman | probably need a settings dialog for the qrcode plugin in that case to switch between open in same window and open new window | 09:05 |
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| lardman | the pipeline is also paused until an event occurs to save power (no point having it run behind the results window) | 09:05 |
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| lardman | but if we had no results window (single plugin, don't want the copy button - add this to min settings dialog) then it would be left running | 09:06 |
| lardman | s/min/main | 09:06 |
| lardman | flux: can you add those thoughts to the TMO thread please? | 09:06 |
| flux | lardman, "the" thread? | 09:06 |
| lardman | once I've finished this Python hell I'll see what I can do about them | 09:07 |
| lardman | the one with mBarcode in the title ;) | 09:07 |
| lardman | ieatlint: so, how does one call that code from Python then? That's C++ you have there | 09:07 |
| ieatlint | uh | 09:08 |
| * ieatlint goes to find pyqt docs | 09:08 | |
| flux | lardman, well, I'll leave the tab open and give some comments at some point :) | 09:08 |
| RST38h | zee bloody thread | 09:08 |
| ieatlint | QMessageBox.information( 0, "test", "test" ); | 09:08 |
| lardman | all good :) | 09:09 |
| ieatlint | http://www.opendocs.net/pyqt/pyqt4/html/qmessagebox.html#details has details | 09:09 |
| ieatlint | although that doesn't look like python to me, heh | 09:09 |
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| lardman | no their docs are just straight copies of the C++ | 09:10 |
| ieatlint | i think just drop the ; and you're set | 09:10 |
| RST38h | lardman: autogenerated documentation? | 09:11 |
| ieatlint | i don't have pyqt installed, so can't test | 09:11 |
| ieatlint | will in a min.. i'm curious enough | 09:11 |
| lardman | hmm, it wants a widget as the first arg | 09:12 |
| ieatlint | does it error? | 09:12 |
| lardman | it generated an error message | 09:12 |
| lardman | yeah, I think I need to add the buttons in, that might be the problem | 09:12 |
| ieatlint | nah, that's not it, the first argument is 0, and it should be an qwidget | 09:12 |
| lardman | drat, as I don't have any QWidgets | 09:13 |
| lardman | unless I just create one for the hell of it | 09:13 |
| ieatlint | heh, doubt it, but possible | 09:13 |
| lardman | exactly :D | 09:13 |
| ieatlint | am waiting for install here | 09:14 |
| lardman | segfault | 09:14 |
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| lardman | I'll push the python plugin to extras devel then if anyone's bored they can see whether they can get some ui showing | 09:14 |
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| lardman | bbiam | 09:17 |
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| ieatlint | apparently when i run 2 VMs and am already installing the meego sdk, it takes longer to install a few packages | 09:18 |
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| lardman | ok so mbarcode-plugin-pythonqtwrapper is built and should soon be in extras-devel | 09:24 |
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| RobbieThe1st | Hm, that's interesting - flashing the three "cmt-" bits resets your time/date/location settings | 09:41 |
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| Macer | uhm... yah | 09:46 |
| Macer | lol | 09:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | flashing what? | 09:53 |
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| pupnik | http://www.internettrafficreport.com/namerica.htm North american internet disruption | 09:55 |
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| DocScrutinizer | hmm, is that unusual? | 09:55 |
| pupnik | yes, but i don't know how much | 09:56 |
| RobbieThe1st | Oh, that explains a lot | 09:56 |
| pupnik | http://www.internettrafficreport.com/rawdata/itr-data.csv happy RobbieThe1st ? | 09:57 |
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| lardman | bbl | 09:58 |
| RobbieThe1st | DocScrutinizer: I flashed the three "cmt-XYZ" bits from the PR1.3 fiasco image | 09:58 |
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| djszapi|work | where should I find my file that I have just copied onto the device after mounting it on my host PC ? I copied it into the 'root'. | 09:58 |
| RobbieThe1st | MyDocs | 09:58 |
| djszapi|work | it is not there. | 09:58 |
| RobbieThe1st | Are you sure you copied it, then? | 09:59 |
| djszapi|work | yes, I remount the device and I can see. | 09:59 |
| djszapi|work | (on the host PC under /media/ for example) | 09:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | where exactly? | 09:59 |
| djszapi|work | where exactly what ? | 09:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer | where exactly do you see it on host PC, as in "which path" | 10:00 |
| djszapi|work | I copied it into the 'root'. ^^^ (in this special case /media/) | 10:01 |
| * DocScrutinizer shrugs | 10:01 | |
| DocScrutinizer | what's got root to do with /media ? | 10:01 |
| djszapi|work | I could not parse this question. | 10:02 |
| aep | i think he meant to say his file is /media/file where /media is the mounted device | 10:02 |
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| djszapi|work | aep++ | 10:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | please check your ignore list! | 10:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | it seems it doesn't work | 10:03 |
| aep | and i suspect you mounted the memory card, not the on device memory | 10:03 |
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| djszapi|work | should I remove the sd card during this operation ? | 10:04 |
| aep | they're exposed as two devices. mount the correct one | 10:05 |
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| djszapi|work | I saw only one device in the output of fdisk -l | 10:05 |
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| djszapi | so there was no other choice | 10:05 |
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| aep | *shrug* works for me | 10:06 |
| Necc | morning | 10:06 |
| Necc | accidently someone has some idea how to power an USB device from another USB port? | 10:06 |
| djszapi | aep: good for you. | 10:06 |
| djszapi | :) | 10:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | Necc: please elaborate | 10:06 |
| aep | Necc: want tethering but notebook doesnt provide enough power? | 10:07 |
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| Necc | uhm... | 10:08 |
| djszapi | this is the only relevant entry in the output of 'fdisk -l': http://pastebin.com/6NiuRsZ3 | 10:08 |
| Necc | i want to build one of these USB OTG ports (female to female port) | 10:08 |
| crashanddie | ~ping | 10:08 |
| infobot | ~pong | 10:08 |
| djszapi | my sd card is 8 gb, this it is probably that. | 10:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | usually when you plug in a usb device like a memstick to a port, then the stick gets powered | 10:09 |
| Necc | but in the other hand, i want to add an external power source to not loost charging ability | 10:09 |
| aep | djszapi: device memory may be in use. it warns you when you plug it in | 10:09 |
| djszapi | should I see two entries there ? | 10:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | Necc: hostmode? | 10:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | on N900? | 10:09 |
| Necc | yes | 10:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~hostmode | 10:09 |
| infobot | rumour has it, hostmode is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=869527#post869527 | 10:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | and charging doesn't work yet, while hostmode | 10:10 |
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| Necc | oh... so in hostmode the N900 will discharge in no-time whatever i do | 10:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | and, if it works next month, you'll need a simple Y-cable with a second A-plug, like they come with external drives frequently | 10:10 |
| ShadowJK | djszapi, heh, how big is your sd card? | 10:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | Necc: you can use a powered hub, to reduce the load on N900 | 10:11 |
| djszapi | 8 gb | 10:11 |
| Necc | and if i want to build this powered hub? | 10:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | those are usually bought for 8 bucks in a store | 10:12 |
| ShadowJK | djszapi, yeah that fdisk output is probably the sd card. Usually mounted at /media/mmc1 on n900 | 10:12 |
| djszapi | y | 10:12 |
| Necc | i actually bought one and it doesn't work (designed and made in china) | 10:12 |
| aep | Necc: some guys on #electronics know usb | 10:12 |
| djszapi | why does it not see the normal device ? | 10:12 |
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| ShadowJK | Probably something on n900 using it | 10:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | aep: I think I know USB too, a bit | 10:13 |
| djszapi | it has just been restarted | 10:13 |
| aep | i wasnt claiming otherwise :P | 10:13 |
| ShadowJK | x-term open and cd'd inisde MyDocs, for example | 10:13 |
| djszapi | and I have removed the sd card. | 10:13 |
| djszapi | so they cannot 'collide' now, but I still do not see the device, lsusb works fine though. | 10:13 |
| djszapi | Bus 001 Device 017: ID 0421:01c7 Nokia Mobile Phones N900 (Storage Mode) | 10:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | Necc: it should work. There's nothing special for a N900 hostmode powered hub | 10:14 |
| ShadowJK | anything in dmesg? | 10:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's a standard device | 10:14 |
| djszapi | no idea | 10:14 |
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| ShadowJK | iirc it doesn't have a partition table so it probably is ignored by fdisk | 10:14 |
| djszapi | how can I mount it then ? | 10:14 |
| Necc | well all i want is to add a 3-rd USB port to the existing 2 one, and all i want to know it is enough to soldier the Vcc and GND from the 3-rd USB port, or i need some else electronic component, like a diode to avoid "backward" powering or such | 10:14 |
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| RobbieThe1st | ShadowJK: Eh; it shows up in -my- fdisk, just without any partitions | 10:15 |
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| ShadowJK | oh :) | 10:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | Necc: I don't exactly get your question | 10:15 |
| djszapi | cannot I use the sd card for this data transfer on the target device though ? | 10:15 |
| ShadowJK | I've never used fdisk for finding devices like that :) | 10:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | power on a standard USB cable is on red and black | 10:15 |
| djszapi | I just would like to install an openssh server debian package. | 10:16 |
| RobbieThe1st | Really? | 10:16 |
| djszapi | to be able to use usb networking. | 10:16 |
| ShadowJK | djszapi, sure | 10:16 |
| RobbieThe1st | djszapi: Just use your SD card to copy onto | 10:16 |
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| RobbieThe1st | if I'd known you had one, I'd have had you use that. | 10:16 |
| ShadowJK | djszapi, usually it's the other way around though. People set up usb networking so that they can use openssh without wifi or cellular.... | 10:17 |
| djszapi | wait, I have copied it onto the sdcard previously as we discussed. | 10:17 |
| djszapi | so how can I access to the sd card on my device ? | 10:17 |
| Necc | i can't translate well things to english what i never did before :D so... 2 USB female port as a "patch cable" is the current hostmode cable. if i add a 3-rd USB port but only the ground and Vcc to power it, then enough if i simply soldier it directly to the existing cable, or i need something else to put there? | 10:17 |
| djszapi | fdisk is not available on the target device :) | 10:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | Necc: no, it's sufficient. see http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Specialized_USB_cables | 10:19 |
| RobbieThe1st | djszapi: It'll be in /media/mmc1 then | 10:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | Necc: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Specialized_USB_cables#Buy_a_USB_Y_cable_for_powering_USB_devices_and_charging_the_Freerunner_while_in_host_mode | 10:20 |
| RobbieThe1st | and fdisk -is- available, you just have to run it as root | 10:20 |
| djszapi | nop | 10:20 |
| RobbieThe1st | Though, it may be part of a tools package... | 10:20 |
| djszapi | it does not work after a sudo gainroot | 10:20 |
| djszapi | - /bin/sh: fdisk: not found | 10:21 |
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| RobbieThe1st | I guess you are right there | 10:21 |
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| RobbieThe1st | Oh, wait. It's "sfdisk -l" | 10:22 |
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| djszapi | /media/mmc1 is empty. | 10:22 |
| RobbieThe1st | Did you unplug the USB connection first? | 10:22 |
| RobbieThe1st | if not, CD out of that directory, then back in before using ls again | 10:22 |
| djszapi | k | 10:23 |
| djszapi | ahh it requires openssh | 10:23 |
| djszapi | I mean the common | 10:23 |
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| RobbieThe1st | Then go download that? | 10:23 |
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| RobbieThe1st | Necc: Oh, by the way, did you ever figure out why Backupmenu wouldn't start on your system? | 10:23 |
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| djszapi | yeah I can go to download | 10:24 |
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| djszapi | but I hope it will not happen repeatedly. | 10:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Necc: http://multi.xeres.cz/elektronika/usb-redukce though you don't need all the electronics and stuff, but you can see how power is connected to a USB adapter | 10:24 |
| RobbieThe1st | Quote: me, from a long time ago: "Download openssh-server and dependencies" | 10:25 |
| RobbieThe1st | Either way | 10:26 |
| djszapi | k, installed. | 10:26 |
| djszapi | let me login via ssh then... | 10:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | RobbieThe1st: sfdisk on maemo5 | 10:26 |
| ieatlint | looks like i missed out on some fun | 10:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | ohh, too late | 10:26 |
| RobbieThe1st | :P, thanks anyways | 10:27 |
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| djszapi | k, works, thank you really :) | 10:27 |
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| Necc | "You have to connect 2 pcs 15k ohm resistors, one from D+ to ground, and one from D- to ground, to comply with USB-spec for hostmode" all what i needed to know :) thx | 10:28 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Necc: forget about that, that's Neo Freerunner specific | 10:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | in fact for N900 hostmode you MUST NOT do this | 10:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | Necc: also the resistor on ID pin is not required for N900, it's another special FreeRunner thing | 10:30 |
| pupnik | the dangers og googling knowledge | 10:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | Necc: something like http://www.lindy.co.uk/1m-usb-2-dual-power-cable-2-x-type-a-50cm-apart-to-mini-b/31782.html is all you need | 10:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer | similar to that at least | 10:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | there' | 10:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | s | 10:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer | no components involved, only wires and plugs | 10:32 |
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| Necc | there's no ID pin on USB-A plugs anyway | 10:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep | 10:34 |
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| sejo | DocScrutinizer: are you a maemo dev? (core) | 10:35 |
| Necc | well i try to just simply soldier Vcc and GND to the existing one and i'll see what will happens :D | 10:35 |
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| kerio | *boom* | 10:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | you'd for example plug the right plug (small with red) of that lindy cable above to your drive, the left huge with read to a wallwart USB charger, them iddle one (large, w/o red) to the F/F adapter like this one http://wiki.openmoko.org/images/thumb/4/4f/Jaykang_usbtyfetotyf.jpg/180px-Jaykang_usbtyfetotyf.jpg , and then your CA-101 cable that came with N900 to that F-F adapter | 10:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | Necc: of course you can solder VCC and GND to an existing one. Take care not to mess with shielding and parallel wires in the data cable though. USB2.0 is critical with that | 10:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | Necc: there are 480MHz on that cable - if that gives you an idea about how to treat the shielding etc | 10:39 |
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| Necc | the 3-rd USB do not (can not) carry data+ and data- just add it's power | 10:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | exactly | 10:40 |
| Necc | i read this part of USB specification | 10:40 |
| RST38h | HELO, maemopunks | 10:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | lo RST38h | 10:41 |
| Necc | but i can not found how these "add another USB port's power ONLY to an existing cable" informations | 10:41 |
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| Necc | i can not disassembly one of these cables ( http://www.lindy.co.uk/1m-usb-2-dual-power-cable-2-x-type-a-50cm-apart-to-mini-b/31782.html ) just to figure out "how it was built" | 10:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes | 10:42 |
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| DocScrutinizer | that's why I told you red=VCC black=GND, no other components involved, just connect power supply | 10:43 |
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| Necc | and that's what i'm asking since from the beggining, that enough if i connect that 2 or i need to do somethwng else? :D | 10:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | on the plug and receptacle these two are the outer ones | 10:44 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Necc: I answered your question 2 times at least now | 10:44 |
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| Necc | >.> | 10:45 |
| Necc | <.< | 10:45 |
| Necc | nvm, thx anyway :) | 10:45 |
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| inz | DocScrutinizer, yes? | 10:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer | sorry, wasn't meant to highlight you, inz | 10:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | [2010-11-16 03:28:17] <pupnik> wonder if 'inz' is still around | 10:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | [2010-11-16 03:28:29] <DocScrutinizer> inz? | 10:51 |
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| crashanddie | "ftp_proxy_module.C rewrite 89% -- 12302 additions, 642 deletions" | 10:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | inz: we were looking for source of recent maemo osso-xterm | 10:52 |
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| ShadowJK | Anything ancient enough to be called dot capital c needs a rewrite | 10:53 |
| crashanddie | ShadowJK, actually, capital C is still accepted for cpp files | 10:53 |
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| ShadowJK | This reminds me of the time in 2001 I found this program for X written in 1993 for SunOS, it still compiled and worked on Linux | 10:54 |
| * ShadowJK was shocked | 10:54 | |
| crashanddie | ShadowJK, also, we use an internal compiler, .cpp is for external (public) files, .C is for internal stuff | 10:54 |
| inz | DocScrutinizer, oh, ok, if you're still looking, I guess the freshest ones are in the apt repo | 10:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | pupnik found some svn link | 10:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | thanks anyway | 10:55 |
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| dlirit | hey guys | 11:04 |
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| n900-space | hey | 11:07 |
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| dlirit | what use do you guys find for the N8x0 (or N900 even) with the flooding of the android based smartphones/tablets? | 11:14 |
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| * ShadowJK finds no use for androids | 11:15 | |
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| hahlo | some say that androids doesn't even have common gnu programs, I dunno never touched android | 11:17 |
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| n900-space | android is only eye candy :) | 11:18 |
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| GAN900 | hahlo, it barely has Linux. | 11:18 |
| hahlo | hehe true | 11:19 |
| * kerio looks at messybox and sighs | 11:19 | |
| kerio | fuckin nokia, how do they work | 11:20 |
| jacekowski | messybox? | 11:20 |
| inz | DocScrutinizer, I checked the svn also, but it seemed to contain quite old versions | 11:20 |
| alterego | android == kernel + davlik | 11:20 |
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| jacekowski | alterego: port it to maemo | 11:20 |
| alterego | It's like Davlik/Linux | 11:20 |
| jacekowski | it's Dalvik | 11:20 |
| jacekowski | not davlik | 11:20 |
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| alterego | Whatever still sounds like some kind olf super darlik | 11:21 |
| kerio | ~messybox | 11:21 |
| infobot | messy... err busybox is meant for lean scripting. Regarding all the missing options and immanent limitations (see su) it's not really the interactive shell of choice. A lot of people hate busybox because a lot of system integrators don't understand the difference between busybox and a decent user interactive shell plus unix utils | 11:21 |
| RST38h | Is /join #meego | 11:22 |
| RST38h | mhm | 11:22 |
| dlirit | I'm not interested in android as anything other than really powerful integration of all of my information | 11:22 |
| dlirit | and that something that was never possible in n8x0 | 11:23 |
| alterego | Anything is possible given time. | 11:23 |
| dlirit | alterego: that's really saying something that means nothing :) | 11:23 |
| n900-space | what do you mean powerful integration of all your information :) ? | 11:23 |
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| alterego | Well, now we're even :P | 11:24 |
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| dlirit | I'm not against the n8x0 or against the community, I'm just saying the truth | 11:24 |
| kerio | the n900 has a unified address book/calendar/im list | 11:24 |
| alterego | n900-space: he means one company to own all his information. :) | 11:24 |
| n900-space | sigh ... he loves clouds then | 11:24 |
| alterego | Buy your own cloud, that's what I say :D | 11:25 |
| crashanddie | botnet cloud | 11:25 |
| n900-space | hehe | 11:25 |
| dlirit | n900-space: with a few clicks - my calendar shows up my office's outlook/contacts as well as my google calendar. all of my contacts are an integration mix of my gtalk accounts, my skype, my original sim contacts. | 11:25 |
| hahlo | does dalvik has network surveilance software? even simpliest port scanners like nmap? | 11:25 |
| jacekowski | hahlo: nope | 11:25 |
| dlirit | say what you want but this makes life easy. | 11:25 |
| dlirit | cloud or not. | 11:25 |
| jacekowski | alterego: it sounds like dalek | 11:25 |
| n900-space | and have you used n900 dlirit? | 11:25 |
| alterego | I think the N900 has just enough integration as far as web services for me right now. | 11:26 |
| dlirit | n900-space: no. I bought the n810 and own it, it cost me quite alot and I wasn't going to upgrade to n900 due to the fact that I was expecting to get the functionality I was looking for in my own n810 | 11:26 |
| alterego | What I'd like to see is more integration between maps and PIM | 11:27 |
| dlirit | alterego: could be, but that's n900 and I own an n810 :) | 11:27 |
| n900-space | it has indeed alterego | 11:27 |
| alterego | first frost of the year today ... | 11:27 |
| dlirit | if you ask me - this is all about the apps market. the nokia tablets simply don't have enough apps and apps are what making the difference, look at iphone or android. | 11:27 |
| alterego | Well, of this winter | 11:27 |
| n900-space | hey can anyone tell me how tab-complete a nick on xchat on n900 | 11:28 |
| kerio | dlirit: apps are what's making the difference *for you* | 11:28 |
| n900-space | i am online from there | 11:28 |
| alterego | dlirit: first you complain about service integration, now you're complaining about apps? :P | 11:28 |
| dlirit | kerio: maybe. I'm only stating my opinion :) | 11:28 |
| dlirit | pff, you guys are way too sensitive | 11:28 |
| kerio | n900-space: edit /usr/X11/xkb/symbols/nokia_vndr/rx-51 to have tab as some key combo | 11:29 |
| Necc | n900-space: shift + space | 11:29 |
| kerio | shift+space is not tab | 11:29 |
| kerio | it only works in xchat | 11:29 |
| alterego | I hope with intel/google deals we get good google service integration in meego, not for me but for people like you :P | 11:29 |
| n900-space | dlirit have your ever browsed the repositories or are you only used to looking for boring ovi store? | 11:29 |
| Necc | 10:27 n900-space • hey can anyone tell me how tab-complete a nick on xchat on n900 | 11:29 |
| Necc | 10:29 Necc • n900-space: shift + space | 11:29 |
| alterego | N8x0's don't have Ovi | 11:29 |
| dlirit | n900-space: ofcourse. I have the n810 for over a year now. I dealt with upgrading it to the latest os2008, enabling the repos and tweaking it to my needs. | 11:30 |
| n900-space | thanks | 11:30 |
| n900-space | n900 repositories are pretty impressive | 11:30 |
| n900-space | ovi contains nothing for me | 11:30 |
| dlirit | unfortunately due to not-so-great performance it can't play flash well which I had hoped would be a use for something I needed | 11:31 |
| Necc | ovi is a collection of junks | 11:31 |
| alterego | Stellerium is cool :P | 11:31 |
| Necc | similar applies to android market and iphone market | 11:31 |
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| Surfa | Necc, so narrowminded | 11:31 |
| alterego | And angry birds, and the facebook service plugin | 11:31 |
| * n900-space node to Necc | 11:31 | |
| alterego | gas balls is cute | 11:31 |
| ShadowJK | My quad core 2.83GHz Q9550 can't play flash well ^_^ | 11:31 |
| alterego | There's a few cool things on there. | 11:31 |
| n900-space | hehe | 11:32 |
| Necc | Surfa: i know it is a sad fact that maemo repos aren't full with farting applications and e-books :( | 11:32 |
| n900-space | my cor i3 runs flash fine :p | 11:32 |
| n900-space | but maybe bcuz i have a huge gpu in there :D | 11:32 |
| dlirit | anyway, I didn't come here to complain about anything but rather I wanted to be updated with any new stuff on the n810 since I was pretty much out of it for the last few months | 11:32 |
| n900-space | hehehehe | 11:32 |
| alterego | Can someone do a sanity check on ground speed in Qt Mobility location for me. | 11:32 |
| Surfa | Necc, narrowminded opinion, as I already said | 11:32 |
| alterego | It's not scaling to miles per hour .. | 11:33 |
| * n900-space nodes againg to Necc | 11:33 | |
| crashanddie | Surfa, has nothing to do with narrowmindedness | 11:33 |
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| n900-space | dlirit, TMO way to go for latest on n900 | 11:33 |
| crashanddie | Surfa, I don't think there are policies against those kind of apps | 11:33 |
| n900-space | there | 11:34 |
| n900-space | arnt | 11:34 |
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| crashanddie | learn2spell | 11:34 |
| n900-space | the devs community of n900 is just really nice and cool | 11:34 |
| crashanddie | andTYPEomfgLMAO | 11:34 |
| n900-space | they dont like producing crapware so far | 11:34 |
| crashanddie | sorry? | 11:34 |
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| crashanddie | I'm not even going to get into this, I promised no trolling today | 11:35 |
| kerio | n900-space: n900fly | 11:35 |
| kerio | apple doesn't approve *that*! | 11:35 |
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| n900-space | so that defends all the crapware that *is* there on appstore kerio ? | 11:36 |
| kerio | heh | 11:36 |
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| crashanddie | "Arizona drivers were warned of the undead roaming a desert highway near Tucson over the weekend, after a suspected prankster tampered with an electronic road sign, police and news media said." | 11:36 |
| n900-space | havent used n900fly however hehe | 11:36 |
| kerio | at least that crapware doesn't prompt you to throw your phone in the air | 11:36 |
| kerio | :3 | 11:36 |
| n900-space | hehe | 11:36 |
| Necc | and doesn't makes you cool | 11:37 |
| Necc | but those fart-apps makes teenagers look cool :< | 11:37 |
| Necc | oh damn i wanna one of those fancy phones now | 11:37 |
| crashanddie | c'mon guys, change the discussion, y'all be sad real soon | 11:37 |
| n900-space | its all a race for teenagers | 11:37 |
| Necc | :D | 11:37 |
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| Necc | ok talk about: the N900? | 11:37 |
| n900-space | these companies dont care about multitasking or anything | 11:37 |
| ieatlint | i wrote a credit card skimming app... that should be popular with teenagers | 11:38 |
| n900-space | they want that teenager using facebook on their device hehe | 11:38 |
| kerio | >implying the n900 is not just for unix nerds | 11:38 |
| Necc | well not exactly | 11:38 |
| RobbieThe1st | Necc: Did you ever get BackupMenu fixed? | 11:38 |
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| jacekowski | ieatlint: how does it work? | 11:38 |
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| Necc | people want to use facebook anywhere, including on their phones | 11:38 |
| ieatlint | it requires a hardware dongle that is given out for free by another company | 11:38 |
| Necc | RobbieThe1st: no, sadly 0.50-3 doesn't launches too, so there's some application incompatibility | 11:39 |
| ieatlint | but it plugs into the audio jack, and when a card is slid, it records it and decodes it to the numbers | 11:39 |
| crashanddie | I have to say, most Maemo geeks are really funny. If they don't hate Microsoft, they hate Apple, if they don't hate Apple, they hate Facebook, rinse, repeat. | 11:39 |
| Necc | as i have more then 100+ application installed (+themes and such) there's no chance to figure out witch one causes the problem in reasonable time | 11:39 |
| ieatlint | (you can also make your own hardware dongle with an old cassette tape head) | 11:39 |
| RobbieThe1st | Hm... Just out of curiosity, do you see a black screen with white text during the boot process? Like "loading /var" etc? | 11:39 |
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| Necc | yes | 11:40 |
| RobbieThe1st | Not the same as the u-boot screen, right? | 11:40 |
| Necc | before white screen i see witch modules were loaded, however they are too fast to read them | 11:40 |
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| Necc | well i never used u-boot, but there's no penguin in the corner :) | 11:40 |
| Necc | i can make a blurry video with my E63 if you wish | 11:41 |
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| RobbieThe1st | Ok, thanks. What this means is that it is -starting-, but not able to chroot into the ramdisk. | 11:41 |
| RobbieThe1st | This gives me a starting point | 11:41 |
| RobbieThe1st | Thanks | 11:41 |
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| GAN900 | crashanddie, I mostly just hate YOU. | 11:44 |
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| crashanddie | :( | 11:44 |
| ShadowJK | (translated) "Sorry. Authentication system for Nokia Account is down." | 11:45 |
| ShadowJK | ah, Ovi... | 11:46 |
| Necc | :D | 11:46 |
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| Termana | crashanddie, you forgot Google | 11:47 |
| crashanddie | true | 11:48 |
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| crashanddie | And Kevin Rudd | 11:49 |
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| Termana | crashanddie, heh :P | 11:52 |
| alterego | I just tripped out and thought, wouldn't it be cool if the "add shortcut to desktop" in microb actually put a shortcut in my laptop :P | 11:52 |
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| RobbieThe1st | Hm, I wonder if you could do something like that with Sync in Fennec...? | 11:53 |
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| alterego | Fennec has a plugin yeah | 11:55 |
| jvesiluoma | hummh, managed to compile s10sh, but my 400D is at home...cannot test it. Has anyone of you guys tested s01sh yet? | 11:56 |
| GAN900 | jvesiluoma, will is work with my 7D. | 11:56 |
| jvesiluoma | GAN900: where did you get the binaries or did you compile it yourself? | 11:57 |
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| GAN900 | jvesiluoma, dunno, I don't have it. | 11:57 |
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| Necc | RobbieThe1st: Firefox 4 has the ability to sync between the desktop and mobile version | 11:57 |
| RobbieThe1st | Exactly | 11:57 |
| Necc | lemme dig out... | 11:58 |
| Necc | http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/mobile/nightly/latest-mozilla-central-maemo5-qt/ | 11:59 |
| Necc | and: https://wiki.mozilla.org/Mobile/Planning/2.0 | 12:00 |
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| jacekowski | Necc: opera had tha for ages | 12:06 |
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| n900-space | does any one know how to install aircrack-ng from command line. i mean is there the apt-get statement for that? | 12:07 |
| alterego | yes, apt-get install aircrack-ng | 12:08 |
| alterego | obviously :P | 12:08 |
| n900-space | this didn't work i tried | 12:08 |
| n900-space | oh | 12:09 |
| n900-space | maybe some repo link missing huh? | 12:09 |
| alterego | you need extras-devel | 12:10 |
| n900-space | dev-testing? | 12:10 |
| alterego | I believe | 12:10 |
| n900-space | yea | 12:10 |
| n900-space | thanks | 12:10 |
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| Khertan__ | Morning | 12:11 |
| alterego | Hey Khertan__ | 12:11 |
| crashanddie | slu Khertan_ | 12:11 |
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| lardman | morning Khertan_ | 12:12 |
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| Mece | Khertan_, hey latest khweeteur depends on a too new version of pyqt | 12:18 |
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| Khertan__ | Mece: not my fault | 12:19 |
| Khertan__ | Mece: i depends on python-qt4 | 12:19 |
| Mece | Khertan_, yeah just noticed | 12:19 |
| Mece | it's mobility | 12:19 |
| Khertan__ | s/i/khweeteur | 12:19 |
| Khertan__ | :) | 12:19 |
| Khertan__ | oh ... mobility ? | 12:20 |
| Khertan__ | it s works for me ? | 12:20 |
| Mece | you forgot trailing slash | 12:20 |
| MohammadAG | morning | 12:20 |
| Khertan__ | but i notice some push wrong package to extras-devel | 12:20 |
| Mece | python2.5-mobility-location: Depends: python2.5-qt4-core (>= 4.7.5) | 12:20 |
| Khertan__ | lol | 12:20 |
| Khertan__ | stupid | 12:21 |
| Khertan__ | strange apt didn't try to update mobility | 12:21 |
| Khertan__ | :) | 12:21 |
| * Khertan__ need to found how to calibrate accelerometer ... since i drop my n900 on the ground value are wrong | 12:22 | |
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| RobbieThe1st | Try pulling the battery for a few minutes | 12:24 |
| Khertan__ | oh really ? | 12:24 |
| RobbieThe1st | Yea; I've heard it works | 12:24 |
| SpeedEvil | The accel can be wedged | 12:25 |
| SpeedEvil | and require a reset | 12:25 |
| Khertan__ | the accel work from as i can read changing value from it ... | 12:25 |
| Khertan__ | yep i ll try that | 12:25 |
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| RobbieThe1st | Ok, shell-scripting question guys | 12:27 |
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| SpeedEvil | { | 12:28 |
| SpeedEvil | Can you hear the sea? | 12:28 |
| RobbieThe1st | I've got a file with commands in it - a bunch of mkdirs and CPs. I want to run each command, then check the output code. I'm thinking a loop like "for f in `cat /tmp/disk/filelist.txt`; do" | 12:28 |
| RobbieThe1st | What's the best way to run each line? Just a $f? | 12:29 |
| RobbieThe1st | (Note, I've changed IFS so I get per-line and not per-space) | 12:29 |
| SpeedEvil | does xargs do what you want? | 12:29 |
| RobbieThe1st | um...? | 12:29 |
| SpeedEvil | check the output, and do what? | 12:30 |
| RobbieThe1st | erm, sorry. The return code | 12:30 |
| RobbieThe1st | so, like $? | 12:30 |
| SpeedEvil | and do what with it | 12:30 |
| RobbieThe1st | if 0, continue, else write an "error with x, code y" to screen. | 12:31 |
| RobbieThe1st | 1 sec | 12:31 |
| SpeedEvil | xargs won't quite do that. | 12:31 |
| RobbieThe1st | http://pastebin.com/pw91mfBE | 12:32 |
| SpeedEvil | Sorry - afk | 12:32 |
| Khertan__ | RobbieThe1st: removing battery works :) THX ! | 12:32 |
| RobbieThe1st | That's what I've got - I'm just not sure about the actual "run command" line. | 12:32 |
| SpeedEvil | shell -c command | 12:34 |
| SpeedEvil | runs command | 12:34 |
| RobbieThe1st | k | 12:35 |
| RobbieThe1st | so ash -c $f or would ash -c "$f" or something be better? | 12:35 |
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| blackthorne | hi | 12:36 |
| blackthorne | I'm about to adquire a n900 | 12:36 |
| RobbieThe1st | Hello | 12:36 |
| lolloo | the best! | 12:36 |
| SpeedEvil | Sorry - I'm typing in my sleep at the moment - I should go to bed. | 12:36 |
| blackthorne | just tell me, is there any drawback on updating the firmware? | 12:36 |
| SpeedEvil | blackthorne: no. | 12:37 |
| RobbieThe1st | Not really, no. | 12:37 |
| blackthorne | ok | 12:37 |
| SpeedEvil | Assuming you mean just to go to teh most recent of the stock firmware | 12:37 |
| blackthorne | what about python? | 12:37 |
| blackthorne | is it the same version for desktops? | 12:37 |
| blackthorne | I mean, the same interpreter or is it something like Stackless python | 12:37 |
| lolloo | same | 12:38 |
| blackthorne | awesome | 12:39 |
| RobbieThe1st | blackthorne: Do you use linux at all? | 12:39 |
| lolloo | N900 is great | 12:39 |
| blackthorne | yes, though my main OS is Mac OS | 12:39 |
| lolloo | geeks dream come true | 12:39 |
| blackthorne | I want to run this on n900: www.web2py.com | 12:39 |
| lolloo | 2011 going to be Linux erra | 12:40 |
| Mece | blackthorne, so run it | 12:40 |
| lolloo | Am using power44 kernal | 12:41 |
| mavhc | year n+1 is the year of linux | 12:42 |
| blackthorne | if N900 is so "raw" can't we just put on it THE linux distro? | 12:42 |
| lolloo | hehehe | 12:43 |
| lolloo | it is | 12:43 |
| RobbieThe1st | Just so you know, a debian or ubuntu chroot is possible; actually replacing the OS is hard due to Maemo having a few proprietary drivers(like the GPU) | 12:43 |
| RobbieThe1st | Though, there are a few projects doing just that, so... | 12:44 |
| blackthorne | well, I don't mind to use VESA in Slackware | 12:44 |
| lolloo | check outube for N900 runing Ubuntu | 12:44 |
| lolloo | also Mac OS | 12:44 |
| lolloo | youtube* | 12:44 |
| lardman | Hmm, anyone know how to get GeePS to go to your current location? I seem to be stuck on the wrong side of the Atlantic | 12:45 |
| ieatlint | trying to run slackware on the n900 would be masochistic :P | 12:45 |
| lolloo | maybe you are wrong side of the Atlantic | 12:45 |
| blackthorne | ieatlint: just like any OS other than Maemo, I guess.. | 12:45 |
| lardman | no, everyone sounds normal here, so I must be in the UK ;) | 12:45 |
| edheldil | lardman: connect to internet, GPS has problems getting a fix if you are not :( | 12:46 |
| lolloo | hehehe | 12:46 |
| ieatlint | blackthorne: slackware is like freebsd... i keep thinking it's dead, and then suddenly they release a new version | 12:46 |
| lardman | edheldil: I am | 12:46 |
| edheldil | at least it used to have them on older firmware version | 12:46 |
| lolloo | I connect using internet for GPS | 12:46 |
| ieatlint | and on that rare occasion, you run into someone who uses it | 12:46 |
| lolloo | it downloads stuff | 12:46 |
| edheldil | fbsd is pretty much alive :) | 12:47 |
| RobbieThe1st | Linux -never- dies. | 12:47 |
| ieatlint | sure it is :) | 12:47 |
| lolloo | maybe you need to locate nearest satellite | 12:47 |
| RobbieThe1st | It may not be "mainstream", but it'll never die. | 12:47 |
| edheldil | fbsd != linux | 12:47 |
| lardman | no, I have a lock, I just don't know how to get the sw to jump to my current location | 12:47 |
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| ieatlint | edheldil: it's based on linux though | 12:48 |
| * ieatlint loves the reactions i can get from bsd peeps from saying that :) | 12:48 | |
| edheldil | rotfl. No, really it's not :) | 12:48 |
| blackthorne | ieatlint: for me, Slackware and OpenSUSE/Ubuntu are the distros that make the most sense. One for geeks/hackers, the other for users | 12:48 |
| Necc | Android is based on linux too, but sill you can't say it is linux | 12:48 |
| edheldil | hehe | 12:48 |
| edheldil | ok | 12:48 |
| edheldil | ieatlint: although I am not a bsd user for some time, I still like it :) | 12:49 |
| ieatlint | blackthorne: cool... but the issue with slackware for this, is that to my knowledge, there is no arm version | 12:50 |
| ieatlint | edheldil: i know enough bsd devs and people involved with the project to hate it | 12:50 |
| ieatlint | err, that was formed wrong | 12:50 |
| blackthorne | ieatlint: there is, not officialy. Not sure about the official releases, though | 12:50 |
| ieatlint | i know too many bsd devs to hate it | 12:51 |
| ieatlint | blackthorne: so that's a big part of why it'd be extra painful to get slackware on it | 12:51 |
| ieatlint | debian, gentoo are best bets... and there are existing instructions on how to set up chroots from maemo to preserve the proprietary parts of maemo | 12:51 |
| blackthorne | www.armedslack.org | 12:52 |
| Khertan__ | and debian is for bearded ? | 12:52 |
| blackthorne | a team just for that | 12:52 |
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| ieatlint | ARMv4t... hrm, i dunno arm compatibility well enough, but i'll note that the n900 is armv6 | 12:52 |
| ieatlint | Khertan_: no, you're thinking of hurd | 12:53 |
| ieatlint | someone go start a n900 hurd project | 12:53 |
| blackthorne | it is official | 12:53 |
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| Khertan__ | http://bugreports.qt.nokia.com/browse/QTBUG-15140?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:all-tabpanel <<< tagged as incomplete ... this doesn't motivate to report and write patch | 12:55 |
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| alterego | maemo is armv6, the N900 is armv7 | 13:00 |
| ieatlint | ah, i was wrong then | 13:01 |
| alterego | Actually, maemo is armv7 too I think .. | 13:01 |
| ieatlint | i'd blindly assume newer versions of arm are backwards compatible, making armv4 stuff work on the n900 then | 13:01 |
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| crashanddie | lol... | 13:39 |
| crashanddie | writing an email in french to my boss | 13:39 |
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| Khertan__ | crashanddie: ? | 13:39 |
| crashanddie | spell check by google: "We were unable to apply spellcheck in Volapuk, however we were able to correct the English words in your email" | 13:39 |
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| SpeedEvil | Probability fail. | 13:42 |
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| sejo | how can I check what application makes my n900 sluggish? | 13:42 |
| sejo | everything stutters and shocks | 13:42 |
| sejo | even after fresh reboot | 13:43 |
| sejo | clean PR1.3 | 13:43 |
| SpeedEvil | top is useful | 13:43 |
| SpeedEvil | especially through ssh | 13:43 |
| sejo | i tried htop | 13:44 |
| sejo | but can't see much | 13:44 |
| SpeedEvil | what do you mean? | 13:45 |
| sejo | htop (a kind of top) | 13:45 |
| SpeedEvil | Are there processes running, when it should be idle? | 13:45 |
| sejo | my load average is 4+ | 13:45 |
| SpeedEvil | Also - load-applet | 13:45 |
| sejo | hildon-desktop seems to take a lot | 13:45 |
| sejo | load applet is running | 13:45 |
| SpeedEvil | http://maemo.org/packages/view/load-applet/ | 13:46 |
| SpeedEvil | ssh in - and run htop there | 13:46 |
| SpeedEvil | what's active | 13:46 |
| SpeedEvil | with the screen locked ideally. | 13:46 |
| SpeedEvil | If nothing is - then you can go from there | 13:46 |
| sejo | hmm no ssh possible here :/ | 13:46 |
| SpeedEvil | install it | 13:47 |
| sejo | no I have no wireless internet here | 13:47 |
| sejo | :p | 13:47 |
| sejo | ssh is installed | 13:47 |
| SpeedEvil | http://maemo.org/packages/view/openssh-common/ | 13:47 |
| SpeedEvil | ah | 13:47 |
| SpeedEvil | you can use usb networking | 13:47 |
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| serpent | hi | 13:48 |
| sejo | SpeedEvil: http://wiki.maemo.org/USB_networking still correct? | 13:49 |
| SpeedEvil | I dunno. | 13:49 |
| SpeedEvil | I'm mostly asleep. | 13:49 |
| sejo | lol | 13:49 |
| serpent | I have a problem with n900 and wpa/pap | 13:49 |
| SpeedEvil | ? | 13:50 |
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| serpent | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1635 resolution=FIXED, but it doesnt seem to work | 13:58 |
| povbot | Bug 1635: Eduroam (EAP-TTLS+PAP) WiFi auth | 13:58 |
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| javispedro | serpent: no gui, but it does work. | 14:01 |
| serpent | with gconftool-2? | 14:02 |
| javispedro | yes. | 14:02 |
| serpent | I have PR 1.3 | 14:02 |
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| javispedro | yes? | 14:02 |
| blackthorne | is there any good software for GPS such as TomTom for N900? | 14:03 |
| serpent | javispedro: this is the fifth time I try, and it doesnt work | 14:04 |
| Necc | sygic? | 14:04 |
| blackthorne | looks cool... wonder how are those maps in my country, Portugal | 14:06 |
| serpent | javispedro: do I need to patch something with pr1.3? | 14:07 |
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| alterego | Really need to optimize a couple of my costum widgets, they're taking 80% CPU again .. | 14:09 |
| SpeedEvil | costume widgets? | 14:10 |
| alterego | Custom .. | 14:10 |
| SpeedEvil | It colour coordinates the wallpaper with your outfit? | 14:10 |
| alterego | christ what a type ;) | 14:10 |
| SpeedEvil | I prefer my answer. | 14:10 |
| alterego | ~typo, freakin' hell man ^.^ | 14:10 |
| * SpeedEvil is annoyed at not being able to sleep. | 14:11 | |
| SpeedEvil | So is annoying others. | 14:11 |
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| ieatlint | SpeedEvil: i encourage you | 14:13 |
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| Crak | hi | 14:27 |
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| Necc | ... hy? | 14:31 |
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| RobbieThe1st | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CblPiVd1QOs <- new video showing how to flash your n900 via LiveCD. Note that it's not finished processing quite yet, but I'm off. | 14:35 |
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| Afteris | who need palm games .deb? | 15:02 |
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| Jaffa | Afteris: Err, I hope you're not pushing pirated s/w | 15:04 |
| Jaffa | Af'noon, all. | 15:04 |
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| Afteris | Jaffa pirated aaarrrrrr | 15:05 |
| Afteris | :D | 15:05 |
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| Afteris | for testing purpose | 15:06 |
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| Afteris | :) | 15:07 |
| Jaffa | Afteris: No. | 15:07 |
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| Afteris | 1ghz is most stable ? | 15:25 |
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| GAN900 | Afteris, no. | 15:26 |
| Afteris | what frequency is ? | 15:26 |
| Afteris | in your opinion | 15:26 |
| GAN900 | 500MHz | 15:26 |
| Afteris | it's to weak | 15:27 |
| Afteris | then | 15:27 |
| Afteris | and really can fry | 15:27 |
| Afteris | :) | 15:27 |
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| Afteris | how we now that temp sensor is somewhere near battery not cpu i have 40 playing nfs or just mediaplayer+10browsers | 15:28 |
| Afteris | with 1ghz | 15:28 |
| Afteris | no problems | 15:28 |
| Afteris | at all 6months | 15:29 |
| Necc | wait until summer | 15:29 |
| Afteris | summer i know ;) | 15:29 |
| Necc | then youi will see 60-70°C again | 15:29 |
| Afteris | not dumb | 15:29 |
| Afteris | also maybe my summertime is on alaska | 15:30 |
| Afteris | :) | 15:30 |
| Afteris | what temperature you think smart harming device? | 15:30 |
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| crashanddie | anything above absolute zero | 15:31 |
| Afteris | huh | 15:31 |
| BCMM | actually i regularly run mine up to about 4 kelvin | 15:31 |
| BCMM | and it still mostly works | 15:31 |
| Afteris | ye i have water cooling on my n900 | 15:32 |
| Necc | you keep your N900 in liquid nitrogen? | 15:32 |
| Afteris | Si | 15:32 |
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| BCMM | seriously though, if you're wondering about how much you can overclock, the answer is that there is not a cut-off | 15:33 |
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| GAN900 | crashanddie, ha | 15:33 |
| chem|st | BCMM: 4K? That is what I get with a 5kWatts cryo-system | 15:33 |
| Afteris | make some tubes | 15:33 |
| BCMM | depends if you want to fry your CPU in a days, weeks, months or years | 15:33 |
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| chem|st | BCMM: and I got one right downstairs | 15:33 |
| BCMM | chem|st: i wasn't especially serious; i do in fact typically run it even hotter | 15:33 |
| Afteris | problem with overclocking is with temp? | 15:34 |
| Afteris | or freq | 15:34 |
| Afteris | becoz such cpu can work 1.15... | 15:35 |
| chem|st | don't know if the device will fit in the vacuum chamber but anyone who wants to try can send me a device, I youtube it | 15:35 |
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| BCMM | if you send me a free n900, i'll send you a badly photoshopped pic of it in low earth orbit | 15:36 |
| Afteris | huh | 15:36 |
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| BCMM | so there | 15:36 |
| chem|st | for liquid N I may have a drychamber handy as well | 15:36 |
| ieatlint | you people are hardcore man | 15:37 |
| Afteris | maybe guys test it with asteroids? | 15:37 |
| chem|st | BCMM: you can stop by for a visit, for sure I will send it back after the test run | 15:37 |
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| Afteris | will screen scrach | 15:37 |
| Afteris | or no | 15:37 |
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| Necc | you mean meteorites? | 15:38 |
| Afteris | asteroids | 15:38 |
| Afteris | man | 15:38 |
| BCMM | anyeone know where you can get a screen protected designed to resist micrometeorites? | 15:38 |
| chem|st | Afteris: meteorites | 15:38 |
| Afteris | asteroids | 15:38 |
| chem|st | Afteris: deep space? | 15:38 |
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| BCMM | no, i think he actually wants to deflect large asteroids | 15:38 |
| Afteris | sure | 15:38 |
| BCMM | before the threaten the earth | 15:38 |
| BCMM | with an n900 | 15:39 |
| BCMM | i'm sure it's possible | 15:39 |
| Afteris | I see her alot nasa guys | 15:39 |
| BCMM | the n900 can do anything | 15:39 |
| Afteris | so why not | 15:39 |
| Afteris | :) | 15:39 |
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| chem|st | Afteris: the n900 does not run reliable enough for nasa needs | 15:39 |
| BCMM | (as demonstrated by the community adding features that don't actually exist in hardware like host mode) | 15:39 |
| BCMM | i'm sure the hardware is really capable of acting like a rocket motor too | 15:39 |
| Afteris | you can give a try | 15:39 |
| chem|st | they still use 486s designs | 15:40 |
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| Afteris | if guys send rocket to moon with 'calculator' | 15:40 |
| Afteris | so n900 | 15:40 |
| Corsac | it's too heavy | 15:41 |
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| Afteris | bahhh | 15:41 |
| ieatlint | i got my new debit card in the mail today... this should remove any doubts of the pedantic geek that i am http://tehinterweb.com/larry.jpg | 15:43 |
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| SpeedEvil | I can't tell how much of a geek you are without seeing the reverse side, and your camera seems to have issues. | 15:46 |
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| * SpeedEvil goes back to sleep | 15:46 | |
| ieatlint | it's an n8, and the reverse side isn't that exciting :P | 15:46 |
| T-Co | They still make cards with magnetstripe only? | 15:48 |
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| Appiah | oh my | 15:49 |
| djszapi | can I turn down the initial song when my device boots (N900) ? | 15:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | BCMM: phone in space? only Freerunner! http://freeyourphone.de/portal_v1/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=1430&p=14569#p14569 | 15:49 |
| ieatlint | djszapi: i do believe the intro is just a video file on the device... presumably, you could alter this video file to solve that | 15:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ieatlint: http://wiki.maemo.org/Customizing_Maemo#Welcome_screen | 15:51 |
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| alterego | Or find out what plays it and modify the player | 15:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | alterego: too late :-D | 15:51 |
| djszapi | ieatlint: where ? | 15:52 |
| ieatlint | djszapi: i believe that asshole that banned you was kind enough to answer your question | 15:52 |
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| DocScrutinizer | banned? | 15:52 |
| ieatlint | earlier today :) | 15:52 |
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| DocScrutinizer | nope | 15:52 |
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| ieatlint | am i confusing people? | 15:52 |
| alterego | Yes | 15:53 |
| ieatlint | my bad, heh | 15:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | no, you're confusing ban and kick | 15:53 |
| ieatlint | ah | 15:53 |
| djszapi | I most likely missed that, can you give more information for me, please ? | 15:53 |
| ieatlint | :P | 15:53 |
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| BCMM | your credit card is awesome | 16:00 |
| Crak | hi | 16:01 |
| Crak | I have a problem connecting to a wireless network with pap | 16:01 |
| BCMM | DocScrutinizer: has anyone made a page collecting links the various alternative boot videos floating around? | 16:01 |
| Crak | I am using pr1.3 | 16:01 |
| ieatlint | thanks :P | 16:01 |
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| BCMM | I've made one in which the words "DON'T PANIC" scroll past in large, friendly letters | 16:02 |
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| Afteris | kernel staring latest | 16:03 |
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| Crak | anyone else with trouble connecting to eduroam? | 16:04 |
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| ZogG | ho | 16:05 |
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| BCMM | Crak: has anyone not had trouble connecting to eduroam? | 16:06 |
| Crak | yes | 16:06 |
| Crak | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1635 | 16:08 |
| povbot | Bug 1635: Eduroam (EAP-TTLS+PAP) WiFi auth | 16:08 |
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| Venemo_N900 | hey | 16:18 |
| Crak | hi | 16:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | so much for Nokia caring about maemo developers: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10353 | 16:18 |
| povbot | Bug 10353: result of USSD query should not be shown to user at all (If he wishes that) | 16:18 |
| Venemo_N900 | ~seen MohammadAG | 16:18 |
| infobot | mohammadag is currently on #maemo (1d 12h 31m 9s) #meego (1d 12h 31m 9s). Has said a total of 53 messages. Is idling for 3h 58m 45s, last said: 'morning'. | 16:19 |
| Venemo_N900 | MohammadAG: ping | 16:19 |
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| djszapi | I have tried to turn down everything in settings/profile, but I still get the initial voice | 16:20 |
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| djszapi | :( | 16:20 |
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| DocScrutinizer | hehe, the joy of "eternal ignore list". It's a bad idea to come here, ask for help, and then tell people [2010-11-16 06:03:51] <djszapi|work> I do not care about what you write. [2010-11-16 06:05:34] <djszapi|work> he practically did not say anything useful. | 16:23 |
| ieatlint | hehe, yeah, i realised after my comment that perhaps he had actually followed through on that ignoring thing | 16:24 |
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| djszapi | so do you have any idea ? | 16:24 |
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| Venemo_N900 | djszapi: what's da problem? | 16:26 |
| djszapi | I would like to mute the initial startup video. | 16:26 |
| djszapi | to not bother others wherever I am. | 16:26 |
| Venemo_N900 | DocScrutinizer: it has been known for a long time that Nokia does not care about Maemo | 16:27 |
| frals | didnt DocScrutinizer already link the wikipage for it | 16:27 |
| Venemo_N900 | djszapi: if you shut down the N900 in silent mode, the initial video will mute on startup | 16:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | frals: I'm on his ignore list, and zhat's just fine | 16:27 |
| frals | ah, right | 16:27 |
| * RST38h yawns | 16:28 | |
| djszapi | Venemo_N900: I just use the switch off. | 16:28 |
| Venemo_N900 | djszapi: it is also possible to remove that video with an app | 16:28 |
| RST38h | Sooooo, what is new and exciting? Is Nokia mistreating you again, Doc? | 16:28 |
| djszapi | Venemo_N900: How can I do that ? | 16:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | me? nah. Still waiting for djszapi 's boss to come here and beat me up, as djszapi threated me | 16:29 |
| ieatlint | haha | 16:29 |
| Venemo_N900 | djszapi: install the bootscreen manager app, or edit the .ini whose name I can't recall atm | 16:30 |
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| Venemo_N900 | djszapi: search for 'bootscreen' on TMO | 16:30 |
| frals | DocScrutinizer: you could probably sending a fyi to his boss and tell him what he does to the company name ;-) | 16:31 |
| Venemo_N900 | DocScrutinizer: what kind of fun did I miss? :P | 16:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | I offered to send the irclog URL to his boss | 16:31 |
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| djszapi | Venemo_N900: tmo ? | 16:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Venemo_N900: I *dared* to ~tell djszapi about question | 16:32 |
| Venemo_N900 | djszapi: yes | 16:32 |
| Venemo_N900 | DocScrutinizer: oh... hehe | 16:32 |
| djszapi | talk.maemo.org ? | 16:32 |
| Venemo_N900 | djszapi: right. | 16:33 |
| Commo | hey... i was wondering, is there any way to sync bookmarks between the maemo browser and chromium on a desktop? | 16:33 |
| Venemo_N900 | Commo: export/import maybe | 16:34 |
| djszapi | Venemo_N900: I do not find anything there. | 16:34 |
| Venemo_N900 | djszapi: enable -devel | 16:35 |
| Venemo_N900 | djszapi: install powatool | 16:35 |
| Venemo_N900 | djszapi: disable "nokia hands" | 16:35 |
| Venemo_N900 | djszapi: or install the bootscreen manager, and remove the nokia hands video | 16:36 |
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| Venemo_N900 | djszapi: or edit the appropriate config file | 16:36 |
| djszapi | which config file ? | 16:37 |
| Venemo_N900 | djszapi: try the first method first. | 16:37 |
| dsg | djszapi: /etc/hildon-welcome.d | 16:37 |
| dsg | You can just delete the one file in there if you don't want a welcome video | 16:37 |
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| djszapi | comment out is a better idea :) | 16:38 |
| djszapi | or backup | 16:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | frals: RST38h: http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/latest.log.html#t2010-11-16T07:03:51 | 16:38 |
| haj_ | uhm .. okay, this might be a bit newbie, but can I apt-get install a specific version of the power kernel? | 16:38 |
| haj_ | I'd like to go back because psfreedom stopped working after I upgraded the kernel without thinking ;) | 16:39 |
| Venemo_N900 | haj_: apt-get install package=version | 16:39 |
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| haj_ | Venemo_N900: nice.. :) | 16:40 |
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| djszapi | Venemo_N900 dsg thank you for your help | 16:42 |
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| Venemo_N900 | djszapi: yw | 16:42 |
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| Venemo_N900 | hey | 17:04 |
| Venemo_N900 | sorry, I got disconnected | 17:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer | you missed exactly 0 | 17:07 |
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| Venemo_N900 | thx DocScrutinizer | 17:15 |
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| pupnik | dwarf fortress client code is opensource if anyone wants to build a maemo client | 17:29 |
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| pupnik | 11M Oct 4 14:40 Dwarf_Fortress << that's almost all game logic :) | 17:30 |
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| Venemo_N900 | pupnik: what is dwarf fortress? | 17:38 |
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| pupnik | Venemo_N900: an independent rpg and simulation/strategy game that is trying to extend the boundaries of procedually-generated gameplay | 17:42 |
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| Venemo_N900 | pupnik: k, thx | 17:42 |
| pupnik | compare to: roguelikes | 17:42 |
| Venemo_N900 | will look into it | 17:42 |
| Venemo_N900 | nah, I have to leave now | 17:43 |
| Venemo_N900 | bb | 17:43 |
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| alterego | In ASCII :) | 17:46 |
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| alienf | hello :) | 17:54 |
| Dassu | hi | 17:55 |
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| Gh0sty | hmz again hit ##overflow :p | 18:02 |
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| chaoflow | kernel-power, mobilehotspot withour WEP, wlan works fine, have an ip, phone masquerading is on, forwarding enabled, but I cannot ping/tracepath past the phone, phone is online and internet works - provider germany o2 - any ideas? | 18:03 |
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| chaoflow | ah - n900 maemo PR1.3 | 18:03 |
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| chem|st | chaoflow: is the gateway set? | 18:04 |
| Schorschl | is 'kernel-power' stable now? my device was in a deadlock kause of this kernel last 6 month :D | 18:05 |
| Schorschl | *cause | 18:05 |
| chaoflow | chem|st: yes, the tracepath ends on the phone | 18:05 |
| chem|st | ah ok | 18:05 |
| chaoflow | but, I only tried 8.8.8.8/53 which also does not work from laptop via umts directly - hmpf | 18:05 |
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| chem|st | well try something like heise.de | 18:06 |
| chaoflow | Schorschl: i have it installed for a while, ideal settings since about 2 hours, phone gets warmer than usual, but stable | 18:06 |
| LukasT | Hello, is there package host-pc-connectivity for Fedora 14 somewhere? | 18:06 |
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| chaoflow | smartreflex results in reboot the moment cpu is needed | 18:06 |
| chem|st | LukasT: what? | 18:06 |
| LukasT | I'm trying to do thethering with N900 and my laptop | 18:06 |
| LukasT | chem|st: http://pc-connectivity.garage.maemo.org/yum/base/11/i386/ | 18:06 |
| LukasT | chem|st: something like that but for fc14 | 18:07 |
| Schorschl | chaoflow: after replacing my orginal kernel i had 20 days uptime, then the battery died and it was in a deadlock... the emergency charge procress doenst work | 18:07 |
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| LukasT | chem|st: did you have some idea? | 18:10 |
| chem|st | LukasT: well no, have you tried the F11 package? | 18:11 |
| LukasT | chem|st: I'm going to do that, let's see if it can break my system :) | 18:11 |
| Schorschl | LukasT: have you tried to use rfcomm on your laptop? | 18:11 |
| Schorschl | this works for me... u just need bluetooth on you laptop | 18:12 |
| LukasT | Schorschl: I tried NetworkManager and it's wizzard but it does not want to work :( | 18:12 |
| LukasT | Schorschl: I want to share internet through USB | 18:12 |
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| Schorschl | uh | 18:12 |
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| Schorschl | LukasT: i tried it with gnome too, but it wouldnt work... then i have configured it manually and it works | 18:13 |
| Schorschl | at home i have a script for that | 18:13 |
| LukasT | Schorschl: can you share it ? | 18:14 |
| LukasT | Schorschl: through pastebin or something? | 18:14 |
| Schorschl | i am out of office at 20:00 | 18:14 |
| chaoflow | Schorschl: how did you get it out of deadlock? | 18:14 |
| chaoflow | chem|st: same with heise | 18:14 |
| Schorschl | chaoflow: just dont charge it :D | 18:14 |
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| Schorschl | LukasT: can you highlight me at 9pm? then i'll be at home | 18:15 |
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| LukasT | Schorschl: I will try if I'm still be online | 18:15 |
| Schorschl | ok | 18:15 |
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| mpoirier | jacekowski: good morning | 18:16 |
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| mpoirier | can anyone give me information on the serial port on the n900 ? | 18:18 |
| alterego | It's under the battery | 18:18 |
| alterego | With the other USB port | 18:19 |
| alterego | Well, contact pads. | 18:19 |
| jacekowski | that other usb port is rapuyama port probably | 18:19 |
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| alterego | I was wondering about that port the other day, how hostmode reports the normal USB port as "port1" does that make the other one "port0"? | 18:20 |
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| jacekowski | that's just UI | 18:20 |
| alterego | Heh, just checking this website that buys old phones, the N95 8G is worth more than the N96 .. | 18:22 |
| * user wonders if there is also a centronics port under the battery for his lexmark 1100 bubblejet | 18:24 | |
| alterego | No | 18:24 |
| alterego | Definitely not. | 18:24 |
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| mpoirier | alterego: I got the contact pad. | 18:27 |
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| mpoirier | alterego: can you help with teh mapping ? | 18:27 |
| alterego | I've never touched it, so no. | 18:27 |
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| mpoirier | alterego: is there any other way to get output aside from the touch screen ? | 18:29 |
| alterego | What? | 18:29 |
| alterego | Now you've completely lost me .. | 18:30 |
| mpoirier | Yes, working with the screen is tedious for kernel work. | 18:30 |
| mpoirier | hence the idea of getting a console output. | 18:30 |
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| alterego | Oh, right | 18:30 |
| alterego | ssh | 18:30 |
| mpoirier | I assume you guys have ways to get a better screen, somehow. | 18:30 |
| alterego | Nope, | 18:30 |
| alterego | But, if I were to do something that required that, I'd probably test in the N900 emulator first. | 18:31 |
| mpoirier | I'm new to the N900, this emulator thing sounds nice... | 18:31 |
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| alterego | You would say that, you've not tried to install & use it yet :P | 18:32 |
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| mpoirier | humm... just as tedious then ? | 18:33 |
| alterego | No, probably not, that's why that's what I'd do. | 18:33 |
| alterego | What operating system do you run on your development system? | 18:33 |
| mpoirier | ubuntu 10.10 | 18:34 |
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| user | mpoirier: probably you could ssh from your ubuntu workstation to n900 to do your kernel stuff | 18:35 |
| alterego | Ang on, I'll try and find the link. | 18:36 |
| mpoirier | user: but what if I want to play with the kernel, i.e add debug messages and stuff... | 18:36 |
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| alterego | Well, there is always dmesg | 18:37 |
| alterego | post boot | 18:37 |
| mpoirier | It's the pre-userspace I'm worried about... | 18:37 |
| alterego | Indeed | 18:37 |
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| mpoirier | my kernel is definitely going to die before. | 18:37 |
| mpoirier | hence the idea of putting a console. | 18:38 |
| alterego | Here you go: http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/Meego_on_Qemu | 18:38 |
| andax | mpoirier: with a ssh connection you can havd the terminal of your n900 in your ubuntu workstation, so you can do anything | 18:38 |
| mpoirier | alterego: thanks. | 18:38 |
| andax | havd -> have | 18:39 |
| alterego | You'll need to compile it yourself ;) | 18:39 |
| mpoirier | andax: yes, but my kernel is going to crash before ssh gets started... | 18:39 |
| mpoirier | alterego: ok, I'll give it a try. | 18:41 |
| andax | mpoirier: well, i am not a kernel hacker but i guess you can keep the default kernel as alternative until your custom kernel is 100% stable | 18:42 |
| mpoirier | andax: the process of getting my custom kernel stable is lies at the heart of the problem. | 18:43 |
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| andax | yes, so, when your custom k. does not get the runlevel for ssh, your default k. does (hopefully). | 18:50 |
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| alterego | Haven't seen Mohammad today, that's odd :) | 19:22 |
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| blackthorne | hi | 19:33 |
| blackthorne | does google maps work fine for gps navigation in the N900? | 19:33 |
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| luke-jr | blackthorne: it doesn't at all | 19:35 |
| luke-jr | there is no GPS integration in the browser AFAIK | 19:36 |
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| blackthorne | damn, thank yo | 19:36 |
| luke-jr | would be trivial to add probably | 19:36 |
| luke-jr | if the GMaps API allows it | 19:36 |
| luke-jr | I usually just open my geocache app and copy coords to GMaps tho | 19:37 |
| luke-jr | it's good enough | 19:37 |
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| frals | google maps gets location from my browser on n900 at least, but dunno if it has navigation or not | 19:43 |
| ioan | can this patch be applied to the maemo kernel: http://linux.slashdot.org/story/10/11/16/1330233/The-200-Line-Linux-Kernel-Patch-That-Does-Wonders?from=rss | 19:44 |
| ioan | ? | 19:44 |
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| ShadowJK | i guess try it | 19:47 |
| ShadowJK | but maemo kernel is likely too old | 19:47 |
| RST38h | Well. Moo. | 19:48 |
| BCMM | how often is the kernel updated? will we get .38 at some point? | 19:48 |
| ioan | I think we already got the last update | 19:49 |
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| pupnik | http://www.euclideanspace.com/threed/games/examples/cars/index.htm << great site for explaining the maths behind computer games | 19:52 |
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| ShadowJK | I don't think there has ever been any plans to ever base it on any other kernel than what it was shipped with | 19:54 |
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| ShadowJK | That patch is about things that want a miniscule amount of cpu simultaneously with large amount of things that want all the cpu they want getting cpu with minimal latency | 19:57 |
| RST38h | Zogg, zap, heya | 19:57 |
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| ShadowJK | interactivity | 19:58 |
| ShadowJK | I doubt its relevance to maemo | 19:58 |
| ShadowJK | on maemo biggest issue causing stutter is I/O not cpu in my experience | 19:58 |
| RST38h | yep | 19:58 |
| RST38h | CPU performance is fine, even memory performance is fine | 19:58 |
| RST38h | Things get broken once it starts swapping | 19:59 |
| RST38h | ShadowJK: BTW, seen WinPhone7 requirements for SD cards? =) | 19:59 |
| ioan | looks like the patch was already tested with maemo: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=58780&highlight=bfs | 19:59 |
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| Arkenoi | ÆÒÂ ÉÁÙ | 20:02 |
| Arkenoi | ah, bfs | 20:02 |
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| Arkenoi | i always wondered if it can improve n900 performance | 20:02 |
| Arkenoi | can it? | 20:02 |
| Schorschl | overclock it | 20:03 |
| RST38h | 20:03 | |
| ShadowJK | RST38h, nope | 20:03 |
| timeless_mbp | help! | 20:03 |
| timeless_mbp | ovi suite doesn't finish starting :( | 20:04 |
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| timeless_mbp | [Window Title] Nokia Ovi Suite 2 | 20:04 |
| timeless_mbp | [Main Instruction] Nokia Ovi Suite 2 is not responding | 20:04 |
| timeless_mbp | [Content] If you close the program, you might lose information. | 20:04 |
| timeless_mbp | [Close the program] [Wait for the program to respond] | 20:04 |
| timeless_mbp | oh, excuse me, ovi suite *2* :) | 20:04 |
| RST38h | ShadowJK:APparently they require special cards with high random access speeds and say that the cards will be unusable in other devices once formatted for wp7 | 20:04 |
| ShadowJK | ioan, surely that's Con Kolivas' BFS, unrelated to group scheduler improvement patch pasted aove? | 20:04 |
| RST38h | ShadowJK: IN other words, they apparently hit the same swap problem as maemo | 20:05 |
| noobmonk3y | ooo freaky deaky, using ubuntu to connect to irc/#maemo is kinda random! (Chat accounts thing) | 20:05 |
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| ioan | ShadowJK idk :-) | 20:05 |
| ShadowJK | RST38h, well if they can actually define a performance metric and make manufacturers spec it, all the better | 20:06 |
| ShadowJK | like they did with "ReadyBoost" | 20:06 |
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| noobmonk3y | anyone else use the ubuntu chat account system for ircing? | 20:06 |
| RST38h | ShadowJK:Yea, I fully expect new, fast random access sd cards to do wonders for n900 =) | 20:07 |
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| ShadowJK | Is this really about sd cards though, or is it about emmc type things | 20:10 |
| ShadowJK | or that new sandisk thing, issd or something (which is basically mmc/sd with a sensible interface) | 20:10 |
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| RST38h | ShadowJK: standard sd cards, wp7 devices have sockets for them, covered with various warranty labels for now | 20:14 |
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| RST38h | ShadowJK: What is the BFS kernel patch by the way? Is it any useful to performance? | 20:16 |
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| timeless_mbp | sp3000: EWTF | 20:20 |
| timeless_mbp | http://www.comms.ovi.com/m/p/ovi/suite/index_en_uk.html | 20:20 |
| timeless_mbp | check out the context menu on the video] | 20:20 |
| timeless_mbp | esc = [enter] fullscreen | 20:20 |
| timeless_mbp | (but it doesn't work ..) | 20:21 |
| trumee | ~seen alterego | 20:21 |
| infobot | alterego <~t.swindel@212.110.185.209> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 58m 50s ago, saying: 'Haven't seen Mohammad today, that's odd :)'. | 20:21 |
| timeless_mbp | Firefox can't find the server at nds1.nokia.com. | 20:21 |
| * timeless_mbp thanks nokia | 20:21 | |
| trumee | alterego: ping | 20:21 |
| RST38h | Nice but no way I am installing Ovi Suite | 20:22 |
| sp3000 | timeless_mbp: what doesn't work | 20:22 |
| RST38h | I *will* install a Maemo app that does the same by running a small web server on the device any day | 20:22 |
| Arkenoi | RST38h, brain fuck scheduler. said to be much better for desktops than vanilla one optimized for server use | 20:22 |
| timeless_mbp | esc doesn't open full screen video | 20:22 |
| sp3000 | I'll presume it's a hint for how to get out of it (for most platforms) | 20:22 |
| RST38h | Arkenoi: Ok, but is it any good for mobiles? =) | 20:23 |
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| Arkenoi | RST38h, some people say yes. i'like to know for sure. | 20:23 |
| RST38h | Arkenoi: Someone is making a patched kernel available | 20:23 |
| Arkenoi | might be worth trying , it is designed to make interactive tasks more responsive | 20:24 |
| noobmonk3y | MohammadAG: ping | 20:24 |
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| timeless_mbp | sp3000: oh. | 20:27 |
| timeless_mbp | the plugin also crashed | 20:27 |
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| noobmonk3y | anyone around with knowledge of #maemo packaging who can help? (qt) | 20:38 |
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| alterego | trumee: yah? | 20:46 |
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| fnordianslip | I want to build a custom kernel configured for AX.25 networking for my N900 and I thought I'd tweak the kernel-power kernel (as I want USB host). Is there a guide somewhere for building the kernel-power kernel from source? | 20:46 |
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| fnordianslip | ah, i seem to have found a source deb for v.45 in extras devel. that's probably a better bet than the git from garage, which seemed pretty spartan | 20:53 |
| alterego | mmMMmm tasty dinner | 20:53 |
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| noobmonk3y | alterego: ! ahaaaaaaa | 20:54 |
| * noobmonk3y screwed something up with packaging :| | 20:54 | |
| alterego | Like what? :) | 20:54 |
| noobmonk3y | it builds and goes into ham fine, but no desktop icon :| | 20:54 |
| noobmonk3y | (menu) | 20:54 |
| noobmonk3y | meh you know what i mean, doesnt appear in the menu afetr installation | 20:55 |
| alterego | Hrm | 20:55 |
| alterego | Is the .desktop file in /usr/share/applications/hildon/ ? | 20:55 |
| noobmonk3y | cant see it on my n900 :| | 20:55 |
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| noobmonk3y | (thats after install) | 20:55 |
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| alterego | m'kay | 20:56 |
| alterego | Do you have a deployment.pri in your package? | 20:56 |
| alterego | Sorry, as part of your project | 20:57 |
| noobmonk3y | ooo erm, no idea, never heard of that file | 20:57 |
| noobmonk3y | lemme go see | 20:57 |
| alterego | Presumably you're doing all of this in Qt creator? | 20:57 |
| noobmonk3y | yeah, and then running mad dpkg-buildpackage etc | 20:57 |
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| noobmonk3y | can't see that file anywhere | 20:58 |
| noobmonk3y | and never heard of it lol | 20:58 |
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| alterego | I'm using an odd version of Qt creator. | 20:58 |
| alterego | Have you written a .desktop file? | 20:58 |
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| alterego | Is this something new that's just started happening or have you just not done it yet? :P | 20:58 |
| noobmonk3y | was working 2 version ago :| | 20:59 |
| * alterego eats some fruit cake he just found in the cuboard he forgot about | 20:59 | |
| noobmonk3y | but MohammadAG did the upload, the last 2 i did, didnt work :| | 20:59 |
| alterego | My mum makes the best cakes :D | 20:59 |
| noobmonk3y | alterego: my missuses are pretty good - she wants to own a cake shop ;) hehe | 20:59 |
| alterego | Tell you what, tar.bz2 your project junk and upload it for me to grab :) | 20:59 |
| noobmonk3y | ooo will do :0 | 21:00 |
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| alterego | I wish my missus was decent at making cakes, she's got quite a bit of learning to do in the kitchen unfortunately ^.^ | 21:02 |
| nidO | mine's great at buying them from a local cake shop, so I dont complain too much | 21:03 |
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| RST38h | Anyone knows how expensive it is (space wise) to have a tine web server with PHP on the N900? | 21:04 |
| nidO | not much | 21:05 |
| SpeedEvil | About this big > < | 21:05 |
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| alterego | RST38h: probably not too bad if there's no traffic ;) | 21:05 |
| noobmonk3y | alterego: www.greg-roberts.com/downloads/maecount-0.8.0.tar.gz | 21:05 |
| SpeedEvil | Anyone built gnucash for it? | 21:05 |
| SpeedEvil | maemo | 21:05 |
| SpeedEvil | I've been trying to avoid it, but all of the other options seem to suck badly in one way or another. | 21:06 |
| alterego | Heh | 21:06 |
| RST38h | alterego: Is there a practical install package? | 21:06 |
| nidO | RST38h: you're prolly looking at 20-30mb for a webserver+php depending on the webserver you use | 21:07 |
| nidO | beyond that, its just logs | 21:07 |
| alterego | RST38h: Not sure, I remember seeing php and lighttpd | 21:07 |
| * RST38h suddenly got agitated thinking of implementing an Ovi Suite replacement as a web page | 21:07 | |
| SpeedEvil | RST38h: Don't worry, keep taking the tablets. | 21:07 |
| * SpeedEvil sighs. | 21:07 | |
| SpeedEvil | People that use the word 'free' to refer to price in any advert in large print should be compelled to give away that item at no extra charge whatsoever. | 21:08 |
| SpeedEvil | 'nokia n8. Free from 25 pounds/month' | 21:08 |
| alterego | Added accuract graph: http://alterego.metapath.org/projects/columbus/Screenshot-20101116-190052.png | 21:09 |
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| alterego | Just gonna fix the speed/heading fonts and I've finished that displap. | 21:09 |
| alterego | ~display | 21:10 |
| infobot | Continuously redisplay output in a terminal window. URL: http://www.ipsmart.com/src/ | 21:10 |
| SpeedEvil | alterego: Does this now to gpx logging? | 21:11 |
| alterego | I've not implemented it yet, but it will, I just have to write the GPX serializer. | 21:11 |
| alterego | It'll stream over bluetooth and network too if you want it to. | 21:12 |
| alterego | Or just save to a file. | 21:12 |
| alterego | (I've only implemented NMEA so faR) | 21:12 |
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| alterego | noobmonk3y: You need to edit your .pro | 21:19 |
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| noobmonk3y | oooo k | 21:19 |
| alterego | Two lines, near the bottom | 21:20 |
| alterego | 2nd and 4th to be exact ;) | 21:20 |
| alterego | s/maemofiles/data/ | 21:20 |
| noobmonk3y | ahhhhhhhhh | 21:20 |
| noobmonk3y | desktop.files += maemofiles/maecount.desktop | 21:20 |
| noobmonk3y | icon48.files += maemofiles/maecounticon.png | 21:20 |
| alterego | ;) | 21:20 |
| noobmonk3y | ty! | 21:21 |
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| alterego | Thank me if it works :P | 21:21 |
| noobmonk3y | will do, thank you v much! | 21:21 |
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| noobmonk3y | ooo one more question | 21:25 |
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| johnsq | Hi | 21:26 |
| noobmonk3y | normalli type mad dpkg... etc in terminal, but to get that working i had to ad mad path, to $path | 21:26 |
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| noobmonk3y | after a reboot it's gone! | 21:26 |
| noobmonk3y | anyway to add it to $path permanently? | 21:26 |
| alterego | Yeha, edit your ~/.profile file | 21:27 |
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| tobis87 | Hi, I noticed that on the N900 the home partition is mounted with data=writeback and commit=1. Would the default ordered not be securer and as fast as writeback with a sync interval of 1 sec? | 21:32 |
| SpeedEvil | order is not guaranteed with mmc | 21:33 |
| SpeedEvil | no write barrier | 21:33 |
| tobis87 | You mean that the files maybe are not written to the mmc before the metadata in the journal is updated? | 21:35 |
| SpeedEvil | yes | 21:36 |
| SpeedEvil | mmc does poorly understood 'stuff' behind the scenes. | 21:36 |
| SpeedEvil | It's in principe possible than nokia asked, and was told what this stuff was, and has picked the optimal mount options. | 21:37 |
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| SpeedEvil | It's also possible that this was copied from somewhere with no understanding. | 21:37 |
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| noobmonk3y | alterego: sent to autobuilder :0 | 21:42 |
| alterego | :) | 21:43 |
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| noobmonk3y | build successfull! (crossing fingers!) | 21:47 |
| tobis87 | Is ordered still not better since it atleast tries to write the data before it updates the journal? | 21:47 |
| tobis87 | As on writeback the data can be commited much later. | 21:47 |
| SpeedEvil | I dunno | 21:48 |
| SpeedEvil | I would like to imagine that nokia has a whole building of people with a clue, who have investigated this. | 21:48 |
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| SpeedEvil | But I would like to imagine that there is no war, and unicorns roam the land too. | 21:49 |
| tobis87 | I hope that too. But how the filesystems are checked for an error is ridiculous: grep -q "/home ext3 ro" /proc/mounts in rcS-late | 21:52 |
| SpeedEvil | :/ | 21:53 |
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| Goliath23 | hi | 21:54 |
| Goliath23 | right at this moment I have an n900 here which is constantly using 13% cpu for its pulseaudio process (draining the battery very fast, obviously) ... I'm a sw devloper, so I could help you in debugging it if you give me some hints.. | 21:55 |
| Goliath23 | the bug seems to be triggered through a widget I programmed, but according to its debug logfile its doing nothing (especially NOT calling any phonon calls which might trigger actions in pulseaudio) | 21:55 |
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| SpeedEvil | Is any sound playing? | 21:57 |
| tugrik | heh, goliath, isn't the problem always just "pulseaudio" with linux ;) | 21:57 |
| Goliath23 | SpeedEvil: nope | 21:58 |
| Goliath23 | tugrik: there was a time I had to disable it on my desktop, yes | 21:58 |
| Goliath23 | I will linger a bit more in the channels and try to | 21:59 |
| tugrik | meanwhile - witter and khweeteur just crash for me, any suggestions on another twitter client, or should I just browse to the website? | 21:59 |
| alterego | What does your widget do? | 21:59 |
| tugrik | can you attach strace to the process Goliath23 ? Not that you won't have thought of that already, just wondering if the n900 can handle it | 21:59 |
| Goliath23 | try NOT to end the process. If someone shows up who knows how to debug this, I'm glad to help (install debug symbols, stepping in with gdb, etc) | 21:59 |
| Goliath23 | alterego: google for buliscores. it shows live soccer results | 22:00 |
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| jacekowski | tugrik: man strace | 22:00 |
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| alterego | Oh, nothing important then :P | 22:02 |
| SpeedEvil | Goliath23: what release ar eyou using? | 22:02 |
| tugrik | i don't expect a reference to the n900 in the man page jacekowski :P | 22:02 |
| Goliath23 | SpeedEvil: pr 1.3 | 22:02 |
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| Goliath23 | SpeedEvil: the bug occured last week again. I usually work on the widget on weekends. maybe it has something to do with the time the widget is runnning. but as I said, I have qDebug() statements in the functions that call QPhonon (audio) related stuff, and those are not beeing called right now | 22:04 |
| Goliath23 | so I really suspenct an error n maemo / pulseaudio here.. | 22:04 |
| jacekowski | tugrik: it's same on all platforms | 22:05 |
| jacekowski | tugrik: or in strace --help | 22:05 |
| SpeedEvil | no clue | 22:05 |
| jacekowski | usage: strace [-dffhiqrtttTvVxx] [-a column] [-e expr] ... [-o file] [-p pid] ... [-s strsize] [-u username] [-E var=val] ... [command [arg ...]] | 22:05 |
| jacekowski | -p pid -- trace process with process id PID, may be repeated | 22:05 |
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| jacekowski | and that is last and first time i spoonfed you | 22:06 |
| tugrik | ah, I see what you mean :) I was wondering if the n900 is fast enough for you to run strace on a process though... | 22:06 |
| trumee | alterego: I can confirm the bug in Media-IM | 22:06 |
| jacekowski | tugrik: it's more than enough | 22:06 |
| jacekowski | tugrik: you can run strace on everything | 22:06 |
| jacekowski | tugrik: unless you want to trace program that only does system calls | 22:07 |
| alterego | trumee: okay, I'll have a look into it, it's about time I made a new release ;) | 22:07 |
| trumee | alterego: that will be great. | 22:07 |
| Goliath23 | jacekowski: will try for a few seconds. at least the manpage states, that it can detach cleanly again | 22:07 |
| trumee | alterego: Problem is that even when device is offline, any song change in media-player kicks in the wifi connection wizard. | 22:08 |
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| trumee | alterego: If you could add album support in Music, that will be cool too. | 22:08 |
| RST38h | ls | 22:08 |
| Goliath23 | Nokia-N900:~# apt-cache search strace | 22:08 |
| Goliath23 | Nokia-N900:~# | 22:08 |
| Goliath23 | uhm, no strace on n900? | 22:08 |
| jacekowski | there is | 22:09 |
| Goliath23 | or is the package named something else? | 22:09 |
| jacekowski | just not in normal repo | 22:09 |
| trumee | Goliath23: there is one in tools repo | 22:09 |
| jacekowski | you need tools repo | 22:09 |
| jacekowski | and extras devel | 22:09 |
| jacekowski | and extras testing | 22:09 |
| Goliath23 | I have extras-devel activated | 22:09 |
| Goliath23 | testing as well | 22:09 |
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| noobmonk3y | darn waiting for a package getting to HAM is like waiting for xmas pressies | 22:10 |
| jacekowski | Goliath23: you need tools | 22:10 |
| jacekowski | noobmonk3y: use fapman | 22:10 |
| noobmonk3y | meh, wanna see what the every day user see's, testing my crappy packaging | 22:10 |
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| tobis87 | How can I check the home partition (mount count over 500) mount -o remount,ro /home; e2fsck -pf /dev/mmcblk0p2; mount -o remount,rw /home ? | 22:12 |
| jacekowski | tobis87: don't remount it to rw after fsck | 22:13 |
| jacekowski | tobis87: you have to reboot after that | 22:13 |
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| tobis87 | jacekowski: Ok, have you done it once? | 22:13 |
| jacekowski | no | 22:14 |
| jacekowski | not on a phone | 22:14 |
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| jacekowski | but thing is that kernel will keep cache of old data structures that may have moved after fsck | 22:14 |
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| tobis87 | good to know, I do this with remount also the first time. | 22:15 |
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| Goliath23 | how can I install debug symbols for the pulseaudio process on the n900 to get proper backtraces? | 22:17 |
| noobmonk3y | alterego: :| not appearing in app menu :| | 22:17 |
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| noobmonk3y | and no desktop file where it should be :| | 22:18 |
| noobmonk3y | oh ffs think i know why | 22:18 |
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| noobmonk3y | should desktop.files += data/maecount.desktop be desktop.files += ./data/maecount.desktop ?? | 22:18 |
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| jacekowski | http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=linux_2637_video | 22:20 |
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| alterego | noobmonk3y: When you've created the .deb file, use dpkg -x package.deb ./tmp | 22:36 |
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| alterego | To unpack the .deb and make sure everything is where it should be. | 22:36 |
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| noobmonk3y | oh alterego didnt know that! | 22:44 |
| noobmonk3y | ok ok | 22:44 |
| noobmonk3y | will do | 22:44 |
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| Termana | good morning | 23:07 |
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| Venemo_N900 | hi | 23:16 |
| Venemo_N900 | hey noobmonk3y :) | 23:16 |
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| Venemo_N900 | noobmonk3y, were you able to solve your packaging issue? | 23:16 |
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| noobmonk3y | hey Venemo_N900!! | 23:22 |
| noobmonk3y | not quite | 23:22 |
| noobmonk3y | it's building now though! | 23:22 |
| noobmonk3y | yay! | 23:22 |
| noobmonk3y | only problem is the icon isn't appearing on the desktop :) - alterego helped me out and showed me some issues, but still not resolved | 23:23 |
| Venemo_N900 | noobmonk3y: okay | 23:23 |
| Venemo_N900 | noobmonk3y: I'll be getting home soon | 23:23 |
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| noobmonk3y | sooo close ;) | 23:23 |
| noobmonk3y | ooo on the train again? ;) | 23:23 |
| Venemo_N900 | noobmonk3y: I may take a look at your stuff if you wish | 23:24 |
| Venemo_N900 | noobmonk3y: no, just metroed home from work | 23:24 |
| noobmonk3y | lol :P | 23:24 |
| Venemo_N900 | noobmonk3y: it is 15 minutes walk from here | 23:24 |
| noobmonk3y | :) | 23:24 |
| Venemo_N900 | I think I found an issue with Modest | 23:25 |
| noobmonk3y | only one? :P | 23:25 |
| Venemo_N900 | my display name is set to Kristóf Timur (last name and firstname separated with a space) | 23:26 |
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| Venemo_N900 | yet it displays as KristófTimur (without space) at the recipients | 23:27 |
| Venemo_N900 | this annoys me. | 23:28 |
| noobmonk3y | lol | 23:28 |
| alterego | noobmonk3y: there's a bug in hildon that stops icons from appearing straight after installation | 23:28 |
| noobmonk3y | maybe it's recommending a new name? | 23:28 |
| noobmonk3y | ahhh aware of that | 23:28 |
| Venemo_N900 | noobmonk3y: what new name? | 23:28 |
| noobmonk3y | but not a bug that stops the actual program from not appearing | 23:28 |
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| noobmonk3y | KristófTimur not Kristof Timur, i assume? | 23:29 |
| noobmonk3y | alterego: for once, i admit user error ;) | 23:29 |
| noobmonk3y | just don't let docscrutinizer hear that lol | 23:29 |
| Venemo_N900 | noobmonk3y: well I'm fine with my name as it is | 23:30 |
| alterego | If you restart your N900 it'll show up, there's also some weird magic with touching certain files and directories in some specific order but I forgot how PP | 23:30 |
| noobmonk3y | hehe | 23:30 |
| noobmonk3y | will test! | 23:30 |
| noobmonk3y | alterego: are you talking about the blue background issue? | 23:30 |
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| alterego | Yessir | 23:31 |
| noobmonk3y | ahhh aware of that one, but in my case, maecount does not appear at all | 23:31 |
| Venemo_N900 | alterego: that bug should have been solved in pr1.2 | 23:31 |
| noobmonk3y | Venemo_N900: as partially | 23:31 |
| alterego | should have :P | 23:31 |
| noobmonk3y | *was | 23:31 |
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| Venemo_N900 | hehe | 23:31 |
| noobmonk3y | you should know, bugs are never fixed just *WONTFIXED ;) hehe | 23:32 |
| Venemo_N900 | lol, yeah | 23:32 |
| Venemo_N900 | for Maemo anyway | 23:32 |
| noobmonk3y | ;) lol | 23:32 |
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| Venemo_N900 | did you notice that all of the won'tfix blahblah on BMO now tells that bug reports on MeeGo are extremely welcome? | 23:34 |
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| noobmonk3y | lol nope :P | 23:34 |
| alterego | Venemo_N900: Almost finished now :) http://stage.rubyx.co.uk/2010-11-16/Screenshot-20101116-190052.png | 23:34 |
| Venemo_N900 | alterego: with your app? | 23:35 |
| noobmonk3y | have to admit, i'm on the fringe tbh, i do really try, but struggling to understand alot that goes on... just simple things like building a package are really complex! | 23:35 |
| alterego | m'hmm | 23:35 |
| Venemo_N900 | :) | 23:35 |
| noobmonk3y | it doesnt put me of using meego/maemo, but really puts me off coding | 23:35 |
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| noobmonk3y | i suppose i'm not a developer by trade though | 23:35 |
| Venemo_N900 | alterego: how about writing an app that makes packaging the right way? | 23:35 |
| noobmonk3y | Venemo_N900: thinking of doing that, but probably a web based one :p | 23:36 |
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| noobmonk3y | got a linux VS, so could do lol | 23:36 |
| crashanddie_ | I decided to cycle to work today | 23:36 |
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| noobmonk3y | ooo crashanddie nice | 23:36 |
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| alterego | noobmonk3y: problem is, they're quite disjoint, and you're using different things all mixed together, so it makes the complexity even more so ;) | 23:36 |
| noobmonk3y | yeah :| | 23:36 |
| crashanddie_ | I mean, I do it more than that, but today was really cold... 100kph winds, all that stuff | 23:36 |
| noobmonk3y | Khertan_: did a great job with py2deb etc | 23:36 |
| noobmonk3y | bu even reading MohammadAG and jabba's packaging guides, there are sooooooooo many variables its tough | 23:37 |
| crashanddie_ | on my way back, the cold really got to me. I have a heart rate monitor, at some point it went haywire | 23:37 |
| alterego | Venemo_N900: still don't know if I want to release it for free or put it on Ovi, I could really do with the cash tbh :/ | 23:37 |
| noobmonk3y | unfortunatley and not an excuse i'm used to windows, ... VS, VB etc... and well, build = build :P | 23:38 |
| crashanddie_ | my skin temperature dipped under 26C | 23:38 |
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| noobmonk3y | lol crash! | 23:38 |
| crashanddie_ | I just spent about 2 hours in a cold bath trying to get my temperature back up, had EMT at the house and everything | 23:38 |
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| crashanddie_ | I know why I | 23:38 |
| noobmonk3y | aGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH | 23:39 |
| noobmonk3y | my best mate just text me "Getting the new HTC Mozart phone, heard any reviews!!!!" | 23:39 |
| crashanddie_ | s/why I/why I'm not a doctor. I would never tell someone who's cold to get in a cold bath/ | 23:39 |
| infobot | crashanddie_ meant: I know why I'm not a doctor. I would never tell someone who's cold to get in a cold bath | 23:39 |
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| noobmonk3y | lol :P | 23:39 |
| noobmonk3y | crash, less cycling, more wine | 23:39 |
| crashanddie_ | noobmonk3y: mythbusters disproved the fact that alcohol helps with cold | 23:40 |
| crashanddie_ | it actually makes it worse, according to them | 23:40 |
| noobmonk3y | crashanddie try and tell my liver that | 23:40 |
| noobmonk3y | I spent 3.5 hours in traffic jam today! yay! - guess what i saw in the last 15 minutes! - http://pi.pe/-9dlpto | 23:41 |
| jacekowski | i found bug in ftop | 23:41 |
| jacekowski | htop* | 23:41 |
| jacekowski | and noticed some stuff about oom_killer | 23:41 |
| jacekowski | jacekowski:~# cat /proc/`pidof a.out`/oom_score | 23:41 |
| jacekowski | 34359305313 | 23:41 |
| noobmonk3y | jacekowski: are you speaking geek? | 23:42 |
| Venemo_N900 | alterego: well just release it to ovi | 23:42 |
| Venemo_N900 | alterego: cash in | 23:42 |
| noobmonk3y | alterego: release what? | 23:42 |
| jacekowski | PID USER PRI NI VIRT RES SHR S CPU% MEM% TIME+ Command | 23:42 |
| jacekowski | 23266 jacekows 20 0 175921860?@????? \ 514M 376 S 0.0 6.4 0:01.04 ./a.out | 23:42 |
| noobmonk3y | ok jacekowski is morphing into infotbot....... | 23:42 |
| Venemo_N900 | noobmonk3y: his app! | 23:42 |
| noobmonk3y | what is it? lol | 23:43 |
| alterego | My Â"Columbus Navigation Tool" basically it's a GPS app in a similar vein to old school handheld GPS devices. | 23:43 |
| noobmonk3y | oo nice :0 | 23:43 |
| jacekowski | noobmonk3y: that's illegal | 23:43 |
| noobmonk3y | i say ovi' it ;) | 23:43 |
| jacekowski | noobmonk3y: playing with your phone while drigin | 23:43 |
| jacekowski | driving | 23:43 |
| noobmonk3y | jacekowski: technically, sitting still | 23:43 |
| noobmonk3y | but yes still illegal :P lol....... but so is doing anything other then singing to the radio, even that should be illegal | 23:44 |
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| jacekowski | noobmonk3y: that's M1 isn't it? | 23:44 |
| noobmonk3y | jacekowski: nope, A27 :P | 23:44 |
| noobmonk3y | but they all blur into one after a while | 23:44 |
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| jacekowski | noobmonk3y: it's bad here as well | 23:46 |
| jacekowski | but not as bad | 23:46 |
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| jacekowski | i have to look around winter tyres | 23:46 |
| tobis87 | I use nmon instead of htop. | 23:47 |
| noobmonk3y | jacekowski: was just one piece of roadworks.... and caused 17 miles of traffic.... was rediculous as there is no other easy way through | 23:47 |
| noobmonk3y | problem is, its the main road on the south coast | 23:47 |
| noobmonk3y | was going from Rye to Worthing | 23:47 |
| jacekowski | stay at home | 23:47 |
| noobmonk3y | jacekowski: i wish, but was doing a presentation to NHS staff of open source IT :) | 23:47 |
| noobmonk3y | i even wore a suit, hehe | 23:48 |
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| jacekowski | pain | 23:51 |
| jacekowski | but what's the point | 23:51 |
| jacekowski | there is only one NHS | 23:51 |
| noobmonk3y | not true, well true but not | 23:51 |
| jacekowski | they don't have software to use | 23:51 |
| jacekowski | and software they make will be useless to others | 23:52 |
| noobmonk3y | i work as an IT advisor for the largest mental health trust in the country, and i don't have to follow the rest of the NHS | 23:52 |
| Venemo_N900 | alterego: does it have tracker featue too? | 23:52 |
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| noobmonk3y | we are starting to create our websites with open source | 23:52 |
| alterego | Venemo_N900: you mean logging? | 23:52 |
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| noobmonk3y | and our clinical patient app is now developed inline with 8 other trusts, using open source basis | 23:52 |
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| noobmonk3y | we are moving some servers to linux, and i'm using open cource video conferencing / jabber apps :P | 23:53 |
| noobmonk3y | so i'm getting there | 23:53 |
| noobmonk3y | but there is only 1 me, hehehe | 23:53 |
| jacekowski | ekhm | 23:53 |
| jacekowski | jabber | 23:53 |
| jacekowski | at work place | 23:53 |
| noobmonk3y | our IT support is outsourced and they hate me, but i'm their lead customer lol | 23:53 |
| noobmonk3y | jacekowski: personalised, and working fine :) | 23:54 |
| Venemo_N900 | alterego: yeah | 23:54 |
| noobmonk3y | and yes slightly limited, but great in a team environment | 23:54 |
| jacekowski | noobmonk3y: so it's open source that software of yours | 23:54 |
| jacekowski | noobmonk3y: can i have copy | 23:54 |
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| noobmonk3y | jace :) - i'd assume so :0 | 23:54 |
| noobmonk3y | <--- not mine, tis the other geeks | 23:55 |
| jacekowski | ok, send it to me | 23:55 |
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| noobmonk3y | but tis open | 23:55 |
| noobmonk3y | i'm the advisor, not the designer lol :p - but i'm sure it's somewhere | 23:55 |
| Venemo_N900 | can the N900 use its cellular connection while it is being tethered? | 23:55 |
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| jacekowski | by advisor you mean, you have no idea how computer work? | 23:56 |
| jacekowski | and you live off somebody else work? | 23:56 |
| noobmonk3y | Venemo_N900: good question, and yes, worked for me | 23:56 |
| noobmonk3y | jacekowski: ? | 23:56 |
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| alterego | Venemo_N900: it can log to file, over bluetooth and via tcp or udp | 23:56 |
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| jacekowski | noobmonk3y: i have very bad experience with, all consultants/managers/advisors | 23:56 |
| noobmonk3y | lol :P | 23:56 |
| noobmonk3y | fair enough | 23:57 |
| noobmonk3y | Ok, should explain where i came from and what i actually do :p | 23:57 |
| jacekowski | noobmonk3y: i mean, these are ussualy non technical people that have way to much influence on everything compared to what they know | 23:57 |
| jacekowski | and i have one of worst cases at work | 23:57 |
| noobmonk3y | i was a techy, and worked in networks, engineers, and db design....... the customer though t they where being fobbed of by their IT department (Out sourced) as where i work, i am the only techy, so i and the advisor, ie, translator | 23:57 |
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| noobmonk3y | i assist them in translating what they want into what the techys think they want lol | 23:58 |
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| noobmonk3y | i've got a degree, blah blah, msce, and some other randoms.... but also about 14 years in It, ok, so not great compared to some :) - but i have a reasonably wide range (barr linux, which i'm getting there slowly with) | 23:58 |
| jacekowski | degree doesn't matter | 23:59 |
| noobmonk3y | true :p | 23:59 |
| BCMM | B-Ark people? | 23:59 |
| noobmonk3y | experience helps though | 23:59 |
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