| noobmonk3y | BCMM: hitchikers? | 00:00 |
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| BCMM | of course | 00:00 |
| noobmonk3y | :p | 00:00 |
| alterego | I should really learn how to write Qt API docs | 00:00 |
| noobmonk3y | anyway, job is fun - and enjoyable, kinda a go-between and i get to be creative :) | 00:01 |
| jacekowski | i have to build stuff | 00:02 |
| jacekowski | and play with latest toys | 00:02 |
| noobmonk3y | :p | 00:02 |
| jacekowski | well, make stuff | 00:02 |
| noobmonk3y | hehe have fun | 00:02 |
| jacekowski | and i blew a fuse in my meter today | 00:04 |
| jacekowski | it's almost new meter | 00:04 |
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| jacekowski | and it's first fuse i blew in a meter | 00:05 |
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| jacekowski | and i was doing stuff for many years before that | 00:05 |
| Venemo_N900 | can the N900 use its cellular connection while it is being tethered? | 00:06 |
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| Venemo_N900 | sry | 00:06 |
| jacekowski | yes | 00:06 |
| Venemo_N900 | alterego: nice :) | 00:06 |
| Venemo_N900 | sorry, accidental repeat | 00:06 |
| Venemo_N900 | read it the 1st time | 00:06 |
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| johnsu01 | does Appwatch work? I just get empty results for everything except the repository graph | 00:14 |
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| crashanddie_ | johnsu01: appwatch? | 00:44 |
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| johnsu01 | crashanddie_: yes, the program called AppWatch | 00:46 |
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| crashanddie_ | it really sucks when you have to google the name of something because people won't bother including a small description | 00:47 |
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| johnsu01 | crashanddie_: if you're not already familiar with it then I wouldn't expect you to be able to answer whether it's expected to work | 00:48 |
| crashanddie_ | well piss off then | 00:48 |
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| crashanddie_ | johnsu01: considering the latest version is from january, and there have been major upgrades to the system since then (more specifically, PR1.2 and 1.3), and teling from tmo that the current version didn't handle the Qt version shipped with 1.1, I'm not really surprised it's dead. | 00:51 |
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| crashanddie_ | johnsu01: also, it still looks to be in -devel, so no support can be provided, really. | 00:51 |
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| crashanddie_ | Your best bet is to contact the owner and see what's what. He's in IRC sometimes (achipa), but you should be able to get his email address from the mailing lists. This being said, I haven't seen achipa for quite some time, his twitter feed has been inactive since 26th October... | 00:53 |
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| crashanddie_ | johnsu01: was that enough of an answer or do I really need to ban you from this channel? | 00:53 |
| crashanddie_ | DocScrutinizer: where is infobot and what did you do to him? | 00:54 |
| MohammadAG | her* | 00:55 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | she! serves my private purposes | 00:55 |
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| crashanddie_ | MohammadAG: seen the above? | 00:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | infobot: bark | 00:56 |
| * infobot barks, like a rabid dog. | 00:56 | |
| crashanddie_ | MohammadAG: that's what I call "handsome trolling", I'm currently writing a book about it. | 00:56 |
| johnsu01 | crashanddie_: very thorough, thanks :) a ban though, really? | 00:57 |
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| crashanddie_ | johnsu01: hardly, I'm just a dick, ignore my empty threats | 00:57 |
| crashanddie_ | and I'm ill | 00:57 |
| crashanddie_ | which doesn't help my stupid temper | 00:57 |
| crashanddie_ | ~seen achipa | 00:57 |
| infobot | achipa <~attila@Maemo/community/council/achipa> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 4d 12h 29m 32s ago, saying: 'sip version ?'. | 00:57 |
| johnsu01 | crashanddie_: okay, no worries, and thanks for doing the investigation, way more than I was expecting ;) | 00:57 |
| crashanddie_ | there you go, he was here 4 days ago | 00:58 |
| crashanddie_ | so he just stopped tweeting, MohammadAG, you know if he's in Dublin? | 00:58 |
| crashanddie_ | GAN900: is achipa with you guys? | 00:58 |
| crashanddie_ | 11PM over there, they're probably in a drinking contest with dneary :P | 00:59 |
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| MohammadAG | crashanddie_, yes, he is | 00:59 |
| crashanddie_ | ah, ok | 00:59 |
| crashanddie_ | so there you go, johnsu01, you even know his location. Tomorrow morning he'll be in conference room number... | 01:00 |
| crashanddie_ | 3! | 01:00 |
| MohammadAG | crashanddie, am I a reference to the people who are (not) going? | 01:00 |
| crashanddie_ | pretty much mate | 01:00 |
| MohammadAG | so you're getting me the bike you promised me? | 01:01 |
| crashanddie_ | you've been beating yourself for ages for not going | 01:01 |
| crashanddie_ | I never promised a bike | 01:01 |
| crashanddie_ | I was going for good headphones | 01:01 |
| johnsu01 | crashanddie_: time to get on a plane I guess! | 01:01 |
| MohammadAG | lies, you told me to piss off, which translates to "you got it" | 01:01 |
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| crashanddie_ | I'm pretty sure you have a little notebook with a handdrawn map of the meegoconf facilities on which you project people's locations using a USB-driven projector. | 01:02 |
| MohammadAG | next year i'll get that implanted into my head | 01:02 |
| MohammadAG | maemo 7's times | 01:02 |
| crashanddie_ | MohammadAG: maybe in your third world country the fascist government has pressurised Google to make "piss off" translate to "you got it", but really, I'm sorry I have to break it to you, it doesn't quite mean that. | 01:03 |
| crashanddie_ | How many religions did I just insult by saying that? | 01:03 |
| MohammadAG | budhism | 01:03 |
| MohammadAG | that's about it | 01:04 |
| MohammadAG | maybe judism too | 01:04 |
| crashanddie_ | judaism you racist | 01:04 |
| MohammadAG | anyways, i no longer want a bike | 01:04 |
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| MohammadAG | drumset please :P | 01:04 |
| jacekowski | crashanddie_: so how you would you translate piss off | 01:04 |
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| jacekowski | crashanddie_: and how would that be different to fuck off? | 01:05 |
| crashanddie_ | jacekowski: nope, that's exactly it | 01:05 |
| jacekowski | thing is that it isn't | 01:05 |
| MohammadAG | so you piss when you fuck? | 01:05 |
| MohammadAG | :P | 01:05 |
| crashanddie_ | MohammadAG: yeah, something oozes out of your peepee after a while | 01:05 |
| crashanddie_ | MohammadAG: you'll discover this soon enough | 01:05 |
| MohammadAG | LOL asshole | 01:06 |
| MohammadAG | now about the drumset :p | 01:06 |
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| crashanddie_ | well, I have two in the garage | 01:06 |
| MohammadAG | i can haz one? | 01:06 |
| crashanddie_ | only if you pay the shipping | 01:07 |
| MohammadAG | how much do they weigh :P | 01:07 |
| jacekowski | it will cost fortune from UK to IL | 01:07 |
| crashanddie_ | you said "one" | 01:07 |
| crashanddie_ | jacekowski: I'm in FR | 01:07 |
| crashanddie_ | but yeah, same difference | 01:07 |
| jacekowski | it will still cost fortune | 01:07 |
| MohammadAG | one drum_set_ | 01:07 |
| crashanddie_ | MohammadAG: the set must be about I dunno... 40kg or something? | 01:07 |
| MohammadAG | look, I'll pay for the drums, you pay for the shipping | 01:07 |
| MohammadAG | we have a deal | 01:08 |
| jacekowski | but it's going to be huge | 01:08 |
| MohammadAG | in a logged channel | 01:08 |
| * MohammadAG gets his lawyer | 01:08 | |
| jacekowski | so they will take it by size probably | 01:08 |
| crashanddie_ | MohammadAG: 5 grand, euros. | 01:08 |
| crashanddie_ | for the cheaper one | 01:08 |
| MohammadAG | wtf?! | 01:08 |
| jacekowski | crashanddie_: WTF? | 01:08 |
| jacekowski | 5 grand for bits of steel? | 01:09 |
| MohammadAG | with rubber | 01:09 |
| crashanddie_ | erhm | 01:09 |
| crashanddie_ | steel? | 01:09 |
| crashanddie_ | really guys? | 01:09 |
| jacekowski | bras | 01:09 |
| jacekowski | brass* | 01:09 |
| crashanddie_ | no, wood | 01:09 |
| jacekowski | wood is cheaper than steel | 01:10 |
| * MohammadAG waits for wood jokes | 01:10 | |
| crashanddie_ | I have a DW collectors series from 2004, magenta/black finish | 01:10 |
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| jacekowski | brand new drumkit from tesco | 01:11 |
| jacekowski | £250 | 01:11 |
| * MohammadAG buys a rock band drumset | 01:11 | |
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| crashanddie_ | heh | 01:12 |
| crashanddie_ | my drumheads are more expensive than that :P | 01:12 |
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| * MohammadAG waits for the pro instruments | 01:12 | |
| Gh0sty | http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.33718 | 01:12 |
| jacekowski | most expensive one in shop i found is under 1k | 01:12 |
| Gh0sty | would this work with n900? :/ | 01:12 |
| crashanddie_ | that's not a drumkit | 01:12 |
| MohammadAG | oh and Orange JO is a fucking rip off | 01:12 |
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| jacekowski | it should | 01:13 |
| jacekowski | Gh0sty: it should | 01:13 |
| MohammadAG | they dectivated my internet plan from summer, then raped my credit | 01:13 |
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| Lanta|N900 | hey... don't suppose anyone know where the left/right audio controls are? | 01:14 |
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| Lanta|N900 | or maybe a way to get mono output from the headphone jack? | 01:14 |
| DocAvalanche | Lanta|N900: separate the vol controls | 01:14 |
| Lanta|N900 | i looked at alsamixer but it seems to be missing | 01:14 |
| Lanta|N900 | doc? | 01:15 |
| DocAvalanche | vol is a 2 controls set | 01:15 |
| jacekowski | Lanta|N900: you need one channel or mixed channels? | 01:15 |
| Lanta|N900 | id like the two channels either mixed into left or right ear | 01:15 |
| DocAvalanche | at least it should be | 01:15 |
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| DocAvalanche | hmm, that's a bit more abitious | 01:16 |
| jacekowski | pulse should be able to mix them | 01:16 |
| Lanta|N900 | doc: alsamixer just shows pulse audio as one without left/right | 01:16 |
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| jacekowski | Lanta|N900: ignore alsamixer | 01:16 |
| DocAvalanche | fsck PS | 01:16 |
| jacekowski | Lanta|N900: play with pulse | 01:16 |
| DocAvalanche | use card 0 ALSA | 01:16 |
| DocAvalanche | PA | 01:16 |
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| Lanta|N900 | ok translation to something I can click/type? | 01:16 |
| jacekowski | pulseaudio | 01:17 |
| Lanta|N900 | but pulseaudio is already running | 01:17 |
| jacekowski | then load plugins | 01:17 |
| jacekowski | and configure them | 01:17 |
| Lanta|N900 | what plugin and how | 01:17 |
| jacekowski | google.com | 01:17 |
| DocAvalanche | alsamixer -c 0 | 01:18 |
| Lanta|N900 | yup, you don't know... thanks | 01:18 |
| jacekowski | yeah | 01:18 |
| jacekowski | i know it can do it | 01:18 |
| jacekowski | but i never done it | 01:18 |
| jacekowski | but i remember seeing list of plugins with one of them being what you need | 01:18 |
| corecode | what's up with this boostn900! thread? | 01:19 |
| Lanta|N900 | doc... that looks very promising | 01:19 |
| Lanta|N900 | if only i can remember what key is to lower vol on only one side on alsamixer lol | 01:19 |
| BCMM | z | 01:20 |
| corecode | q | 01:20 |
| BCMM | that raises it | 01:20 |
| corecode | ah | 01:20 |
| MohammadAG | one of you is french :P | 01:20 |
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| corecode | fair | 01:20 |
| jacekowski | Lanta|N900: edit /etc/pulse/daemon.conf | 01:20 |
| BCMM | MohammadAG: heh | 01:20 |
| jacekowski | Lanta|N900: default-sample-channels = 1 | 01:20 |
| jacekowski | Lanta|N900: 60s on google | 01:20 |
| BCMM | someone told me that it is possible to do bad things to the hardware by setting things up weirdly in alsamixer | 01:21 |
| BCMM | was that true? | 01:21 |
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| jacekowski | BCMM: yes | 01:21 |
| jacekowski | BCMM: you can melt speakers | 01:21 |
| BCMM | hmm | 01:21 |
| BCMM | literally? | 01:21 |
| jacekowski | yes | 01:21 |
| jacekowski | BCMM: audio codec has protections, but these are not enabled | 01:21 |
| jacekowski | and they are doing this stuff in pulseaudio | 01:22 |
| jacekowski | wasting cpu resources | 01:22 |
| BCMM | so pulseaudio, rather than the audio driver, is responsible for not frying the speakers? | 01:22 |
| jacekowski | yes | 01:22 |
| Lanta|N900 | jace... tried that on my lappy the other day | 01:22 |
| jacekowski | but audio driver CAN do it | 01:22 |
| DocAvalanche | Q/Z=left chan, E/C=right chan | 01:22 |
| Lanta|N900 | does nlthing | 01:22 |
| DocAvalanche | Y fuer deutsche | 01:22 |
| BCMM | also, do you actually literally mean "melt", or did you assume i was using the new/american usage of literally? | 01:22 |
| DocAvalanche | w/x=both channels | 01:23 |
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| BCMM | jacekowski: you mean the sound driver that is in use could have protection, but it is turned off? | 01:23 |
| jacekowski | BCMM: yes | 01:23 |
| BCMM | facepalm | 01:23 |
| jacekowski | BCMM: because they implemented it in pa | 01:23 |
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| BCMM | why does the device have PA anyway? | 01:23 |
| jacekowski | for lulz | 01:24 |
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| BCMM | yeah, PA is a barrel of lulz. | 01:24 |
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| BCMM | PA is like a dead baby joke. | 01:24 |
| DocAvalanche | BCMM: the speakers' coils might melt | 01:25 |
| BCMM | surely something else would catch fire first? | 01:25 |
| DocAvalanche | or the plastic, whatever happens first | 01:25 |
| DocAvalanche | nope | 01:25 |
| * DocAvalanche still feels a lack of beats and rhythms | 01:26 | |
| lardman | dragly: you about? | 01:26 |
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| lardman | dragly: assuming you read the history, looks like Python scripting is sorted - as simple as making sure the widget variable wasn't decref'd | 01:27 |
| * DocAvalanche fires up floodland from his N900 | 01:27 | |
| lardman | where can one download angrybirds? | 01:28 |
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| jacekowski | lardman: ovi | 01:28 |
| DocAvalanche | ~lard crashanddie_ and his drumset | 01:28 |
| DocAvalanche | meh , she's lazy again | 01:28 |
| lardman | jacekowski: it says it doesn't recognise my device | 01:28 |
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| DocAvalanche | baby, you have to cope with that | 01:29 |
| DocAvalanche | ~useless | 01:29 |
| * infobot starts crying and hides from docavalanche in the darkest corner of the room. :( | 01:29 | |
| * lardman worries about what ~lard'ing is | 01:29 | |
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| crashanddie_ | ~lart DocAvalanche | 01:30 |
| * infobot cuts DocAvalanche into thin stripes | 01:30 | |
| crashanddie_ | lardman: don't worry, minor misspelling | 01:30 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | meh my bad | 01:30 |
| jacekowski | ~dict lart | 01:30 |
| infobot | Dictionary 'lart' (1 of 2): {Luser Attitude Re-adjustment Tool}. | 01:30 |
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| lardman | crashanddie_: I'd sort those thin stripes too, perhaps make them strips | 01:31 |
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| * lardman thinks about writing an mBarcode plugin to turn geo:// barcodes into Ovi Maps DBus commands | 01:32 | |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ~botsnack | 01:32 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer51: :) | 01:32 |
| * lardman also thinks just how craptastic Ovi Maps is, but it't all we;ve got | 01:33 | |
| jacekowski | http://i.imgur.com/fPfzn.jpg | 01:33 |
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| lardman | night chaps | 01:34 |
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| crashanddie_ | i'm out | 01:34 |
| crashanddie_ | night lardman|gone | 01:34 |
| Gh0sty | hmm | 01:34 |
| Gh0sty | dx now sells nokia USB OTG adapters :o | 01:35 |
| Gh0sty | http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.51045 | 01:35 |
| andax | lardman: no, i also have a paper map, more than 10 years uptime, never crashed, no defects when it falls to the ground,... :) | 01:35 |
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| Gh0sty | does that even physically fit on a n900? :/ | 01:35 |
| Gh0sty | connector looks more squared | 01:35 |
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| MohammadAG | no | 01:37 |
| MohammadAG | the N8's adapter does not fit in the N900 | 01:37 |
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| Gh0sty | how do those audio jack adapters work in fact? | 01:38 |
| Gh0sty | 1 extra line enables remote control and things like video out :/ | 01:38 |
| MohammadAG | 4 pins, one's an identifier, if non existent, assume headphones | 01:38 |
| Gh0sty | but that ID how is that done? :/ | 01:39 |
| Gh0sty | it sens some kind of code? | 01:39 |
| Gh0sty | or an impedance? | 01:39 |
| MohammadAG | i think it's just a pulse sent to the headphone | 01:40 |
| MohammadAG | ask DocAvalanche / DocScrutinizer51 | 01:40 |
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| jacekowski | Gh0sty: just high or low | 01:41 |
| jacekowski | Gh0sty: ah that id thing | 01:41 |
| Gh0sty | yes because the original headphones are 4 pins (which has a pickup button and a mic ... | 01:42 |
| Gh0sty | then you have the video out which also has 4 pins | 01:42 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | that 'ID' is the mic pin | 01:42 |
| Gh0sty | and this http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.33718 | 01:42 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ring | 01:42 |
| Gh0sty | yeah ring :p | 01:42 |
| Gh0sty | whatever ;) | 01:42 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | L,R,mic,gnd | 01:43 |
| Gh0sty | but how does it determine to send video? :p | 01:43 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | probing R of mic-gnd | 01:43 |
| Gh0sty | and the above link would also be detected correctly? the buttons ... | 01:44 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | multibutton is still under investigation | 01:45 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | doesn't work ootb with N900 | 01:45 |
| Gh0sty | so that adapter might not work? :/ | 01:45 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | will not | 01:46 |
| Gh0sty | hardware design keeps amazing me :p | 01:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | if 'that adapter' is a multibutton | 01:47 |
| Gh0sty | the idea is pretty neath, similar to how PoE works ... detect some R between some line and determine it needs power :p | 01:47 |
| Crak | about the video, do you know RCA? | 01:48 |
| Gh0sty | who me? | 01:50 |
| Crak | yes | 01:50 |
| Gh0sty | the connectors and I know what they're for and stuff :p | 01:50 |
| Gh0sty | or what do you mean? :) | 01:50 |
| Crak | its the same with the 3 channel jack | 01:51 |
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| Crak | it uses a little serial protocol to retrieve the id on the third channel and acts accordingly | 01:53 |
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| Gh0sty | http://nokiasaga.com/54-handy-tips-and-tricks-for-nokia-n900 | 02:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer | nicely edited | 02:16 |
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| corecode | why would anybody suggest laptop_mode=1 on the n900? | 02:20 |
| luke-jr | gee I wonder | 02:21 |
| SpeedEvil | corecode: They have a very small lap. | 02:22 |
| corecode | i guess so | 02:22 |
| * SpeedEvil ponders the ideal computing platform for leprechauns. | 02:23 | |
| fnordianslip | anything with plenty of BOGompis | 02:23 |
| fnordianslip | BOGomips, even | 02:23 |
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| SpeedEvil | Also - that gives the users freedom to run non-interpreted code. | 02:24 |
| SpeedEvil | C-lover. | 02:24 |
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| b-man` | hmm | 04:52 |
| b-man` | ~Schoentoon | 04:53 |
| infobot | it has been said that schoentoon is the monitor dude | 04:53 |
| b-man` | :D | 04:53 |
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| pupnik | odd | 04:59 |
| pupnik | neer heard o him | 04:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ~factinfo Schoentoon | 05:41 |
| infobot | schoentoon -- created by b-man` <~b-man@pool-70-106-216-16.chi.dsl-w.verizon.net> 49m 22s ago; it has been requested once, last by b-man`, 47m 58s ago. | 05:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-P | 05:42 |
| b-man` | ~factinfo b-man | 05:43 |
| infobot | b-man -- created by MohammadAG <~MohammadA@Maemo/community/contributor/MohammadAG> at Sun Oct 31 19:04:55 2010 (16 days); it has been requested 4 times, last by b-man`, 48m 42s ago. | 05:43 |
| b-man` | ;P | 05:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ~moo | 07:12 |
| * infobot mooooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I am cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass | 07:12 | |
| TermanaDesire | ~bomb DocScrutinizer | 07:14 |
| * infobot drops a humongous exploding nuke on DocScrutinizer | 07:14 | |
| * DocScrutinizer wonders if that's from mad max part 5... | 07:14 | |
| lucent | or uh, A Boy And His Dog | 07:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer | is this about our beloved George DoubleWho? | 07:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | nah, that'd be "A Wino And His Dog" | 07:17 |
| * DocScrutinizer googles for "A Boy And His Dog" | 07:17 | |
| lucent | DocScrutinizer: it's a novel, but I'm referring to the movie adaptation | 07:18 |
| lucent | cult classic | 07:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | novella by Harlan Ellison. A boy communicates telepathically with his dog as they scavenge for food... | 07:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | o.O | 07:18 |
| jaska | the movie version is kinda ghetto | 07:19 |
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| slonopotamus | so, how i remove all private data from n900? | 07:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | flash | 07:57 |
| slonopotamus | with rm -rf ~/MyDocs before that? | 07:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | even then I'm not sure all free blocks in storage are actually erased. maybe first rm -rf ~ | 07:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | then create a file with garbage of maximum possible size on MyDocs | 07:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | same for ~ | 08:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | then flash | 08:00 |
| slonopotamus | well, i don't think repair service will try file recovery :) | 08:00 |
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| slonopotamus | just don't want them to have my cookies/contacts/etc | 08:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer | then a simple full flash is sufficient | 08:01 |
| slonopotamus | okay | 08:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | even a "reset to factory" and "delete private data" is enough I guess | 08:02 |
| slonopotamus | microusb connector. again. | 08:02 |
| slonopotamus | DocScrutinizer: found it (didn't expect settings app has menu | 08:03 |
| slonopotamus | ) | 08:03 |
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| slonopotamus | so, both microusb connectors died after ~6 months | 08:03 |
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| slonopotamus | anyone wants to buy my n900 after it gets mobo replaced again? | 08:06 |
| slonopotamus | :P | 08:06 |
| pronto | is it possibel to use the the n900 as a desktop webcam, so i can use the 5mp cam with a desktop skype client | 08:10 |
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| lucent | pronto: I don't see how. | 08:11 |
| lucent | you'd need to export the camera as a gadget device, etc. etc. | 08:11 |
| pronto | aww | 08:11 |
| lucent | I also don't see a way around this, say via network connection | 08:12 |
| lucent | pronto: if you're into programming, you may want to have a look at www.ws4gl.org | 08:14 |
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| pronto | more of a scripter not a programmer unfortannly | 08:15 |
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| lucent | WS4GL needs some help getting video apps to work with (Linux) Skype | 08:16 |
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| lucent | the side-benefit might be the kind of plumbing needed to take a foreign video source (some gstreamer magic over the network) and feed it to Skype | 08:16 |
| lucent | long way around though. | 08:16 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | skype? wtf is skype? | 08:34 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | you'd think with a few NTFS mounts and symlinks and maybe bindmounts you might be able to use N900 /dev/video on a remote linux box | 08:37 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | otoh dev might not be accessable via remote fs. but gstreamer pipes may be possible | 08:39 |
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| RST38h | ,pp all | 08:45 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ? | 08:46 |
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| RobbieThe1st | Hi, all | 09:02 |
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| guest444 | hi | 09:04 |
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| guest444 | can every one help me to downloading files from d4x ? | 09:05 |
| guest444 | i get error when i start downloading | 09:05 |
| RobbieThe1st | Um, what are you trying to download? | 09:05 |
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| guest444 | when i try to download files . d4x pause downlading whid error could not get normal answer | 09:07 |
| RobbieThe1st | Perhaps it's got a bug? I suggest installing wget instead. You can then simply type "wget http://myurl.com" in the terminal to download | 09:08 |
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| guest444 | wget is download manager? | 09:11 |
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| lucent | wget is a command that fetches information | 09:13 |
| lucent | it's one of the best | 09:13 |
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| RobbieThe1st | It works great for downloading single files | 09:15 |
| guest444 | ]wget http://myurl.com | 09:15 |
| RobbieThe1st | Yea, like that. | 09:16 |
| RobbieThe1st | But, erm, you'll probably have to install it from the repo first | 09:16 |
| guest444 | pffffff error :(( | 09:17 |
| guest444 | wget http://myurl.com --2010-11-16 23:14:28-- http://myurl.com Resolving myurl.com... 208.87.32.68 Connecting to myurl.com 208.87.32.68|:80... failed: Connection timed out. Retrying. --2010-11-16 23:17:43-- (try: 2) http://myurl.com/ Connecting to myurl.com|208.87.32.68|:80.. | 09:17 |
| RobbieThe1st | well, erm.. | 09:18 |
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| RobbieThe1st | of cource | 09:18 |
| RobbieThe1st | http://myurl.com isn't a real site probably | 09:18 |
| RobbieThe1st | Find a -real- link. | 09:18 |
| RobbieThe1st | say... wget http://talk.maemo.org/index.php | 09:18 |
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| RobbieThe1st | Necc? | 09:44 |
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| RobbieThe1st | ~ping | 09:48 |
| infobot | ~pong | 09:48 |
| Dieterbe | anyone ever had something like this? I tried sending an sms but my provider sms's me back saying i don't have enough credits on my prepaid card, but it keeps doing this. i get this same sms every 5-10 seconds. could it be that the n900 continuously tries to resend the sms? | 09:49 |
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| tr4sk | Hi | 09:55 |
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| jacekowski | grrr | 11:15 |
| jacekowski | MfE sux | 11:15 |
| jacekowski | i don't have Inbox in modest | 11:15 |
| RobbieThe1st | It's a Microsoft product. What do you expect? | 11:15 |
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| RobbieThe1st | (well, exchange is anyway) | 11:15 |
| jacekowski | MfE is nokia product | 11:16 |
| jacekowski | and i'm using it with latest zimbra | 11:16 |
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| timeless_mbp | jacekowski: you enabled logging? | 11:19 |
| timeless_mbp | and what ver of zimbra? | 11:20 |
| timeless_mbp | http://www.zimbra.com/forums/mobility/39766-n900-mfe-zimbra-6-0-6-a.html | 11:20 |
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| jacekowski | timeless_mbp: latest | 11:22 |
| jacekowski | timeless_mbp: updates 4 days ago | 11:22 |
| timeless_mbp | http://wiki.maemo.org/Mail_For_Exchange_(MfE)_Heartbeat_and_FAQ#How_can_I_turn_the_logging_ON_or_OFF.3F | 11:23 |
| jacekowski | it syncs | 11:23 |
| jacekowski | everything except inbox | 11:24 |
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| jacekowski | fixed | 11:29 |
| jacekowski | i've deleted mfe account | 11:29 |
| jacekowski | and then created it again | 11:29 |
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| lardman | morning | 11:52 |
| lardman | anyone happen to know the UK Vodafone contract MMS settings? I thought I'd finally try to get fmms working as someone just sent me an MMS | 11:52 |
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| nidO | http://forum.vodafone.co.uk/topic/28518-mms-settings-for-iphone-on-vodafone-uk/ | 11:54 |
| crashanddie | There are so many things wrong with wikipedia | 11:55 |
| crashanddie | http://img196.imageshack.us/img196/4647/20101117105423247x257sc.png | 11:55 |
| crashanddie | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cummingtonite | 11:56 |
| RobbieThe1st | heh | 11:57 |
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| lardman | nidO: thanks. Curiously those are the settings I have, but it doesn't work, so perhaps I ought to ask if anyone else has got it working with a UK Vodafone contract? | 11:59 |
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| lardman | crashanddie: what's wrong with the latter? | 12:01 |
| crashanddie | lardman, the name? | 12:01 |
| lardman | it's real | 12:01 |
| crashanddie | lardman, say it out loud | 12:01 |
| lardman | yeah I know | 12:01 |
| lardman | perhaps it sounds less dodgy with an SA accent or something | 12:02 |
| lardman | oh no, found in America, oh well | 12:02 |
| lardman | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cummington,_Massachusetts is the cause of the problem | 12:02 |
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| lardman | hmm, I thought that perhaps I should add the port number into the fmms settings HTTP Proxy field, but when I do the dialog locks up | 12:07 |
| lardman | once I hit save that is | 12:07 |
| lardman | frals: you about? | 12:07 |
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| pigeon | anyone using truecrypt on the n900? | 12:16 |
| lardman | yay, it worked (I think) | 12:18 |
| lardman | my fault for not realising there was a separate Port field off the bottom of the dialog | 12:19 |
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| MohammadAG | why isn't this thread closed? http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=65571 | 12:37 |
| GAN900 | All the moderators are at the conference? | 12:38 |
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| MohammadAG | GAN900, so are you :P | 12:41 |
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| alterego | GAN900: donh't tell people that, they might get ideas of tactical nuclear warheads targetted at dublin to dispand what little remains of the maemo eco system. | 12:50 |
| * alterego imagines a post war maemo.org rpg game | 12:51 | |
| alterego | MohammadAG: where have you been the past few days? :P | 12:51 |
| RobbieThe1st | MohammadAG: That topic should have been locked several days ago, and the OP banned for life. That guy is just about the most disrespectful frigging idiot I have ever seen. | 12:51 |
| MohammadAG | alterego, holidays | 12:52 |
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| alterego | Ah cool | 12:52 |
| alterego | Just read that thread, I hate it when people talk like that :( | 12:53 |
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| alterego | fMMS is one of the top ten apps imo, I don't have it installed but I've never used it, I know frals put a lot of work and effort into it though. | 12:56 |
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| timeless_mbp | hi qole | 13:00 |
| qole | Hi all | 13:00 |
| timeless_mbp | we're in President's Suite | 13:00 |
| qole | waiting for our netbooks | 13:01 |
| timeless_mbp | there is a belief that the netbooks will arrive "shortly" | 13:01 |
| phellarv | qole: Pick one up for me too then :) | 13:01 |
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| RobbieThe1st | I'm curious - will your netbooks be preloaded with Meego or at least dev tools, or be simply stock netbooks? | 13:02 |
| phellarv | RobbieThe1st: Meego | 13:02 |
| qole | we are all worried that WE won't actually get one | 13:02 |
| RobbieThe1st | Cool | 13:02 |
| * lardman looks at Layar | 13:02 | |
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| RobbieThe1st | Well, I'm off. Cya all, and hopefully you'll get those netbooks! | 13:02 |
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| qole | I think they come with Windows but we aren't allowed to leave the room until we install MeeGo on them! | 13:03 |
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| lardman | hey qole, how's things? | 13:04 |
| qole | this BT keyboard is nice for IRC on the N900 | 13:04 |
| crashanddie | qole, good to see you | 13:04 |
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| qole | crashanddie, You aren't at meegoconf, right? | 13:05 |
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| crashanddie | qole, nope | 13:05 |
| qole | lardman, you are here...? | 13:05 |
| lardman | no afraid not, otherwise I'd have collared you and fiferboy for cheese and cheesy queen songs already :) | 13:06 |
| MohammadAG | hi qole | 13:08 |
| crashanddie | qole, the only reason I wanted to come was to get to see people again, but I couldn't afford half a week off just for that | 13:08 |
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| MohammadAG | crashanddie, you could've at least given me your visa | 13:09 |
| crashanddie | I don't have a visa you twat | 13:09 |
| crashanddie | this is europe, we don't need visas to go visit other countries | 13:10 |
| MohammadAG | passport, whatever | 13:10 |
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| MohammadAG | racists | 13:10 |
| MohammadAG | :P | 13:10 |
| crashanddie | dude, you're a terrorist | 13:10 |
| lardman | my passport is currently with the Indian embassy | 13:10 |
| MohammadAG | crashanddie, and proud | 13:10 |
| crashanddie | lardman, lolwut? | 13:10 |
| lardman | going to India week after next | 13:11 |
| crashanddie | MohammadAG, if you ever blow yourself up somewhere, I'll spray your remains with pigblood. No virgins for yooooooouuuuuuuuuu | 13:11 |
| crashanddie | lardman, whereabouts? How long? | 13:11 |
| lardman | Delhi a week | 13:11 |
| MohammadAG | crashanddie, you know, I wasn't gonna get those drumsets for fun, *plans terrorist bombing with drum set* | 13:11 |
| * MohammadAG drops drumset on crashanddie's house | 13:12 | |
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| * lardman looks to see how to install Android 2.2 on his wife's old Android phone so he can see what Layar is like | 13:15 | |
| MohammadAG | lardman, root it | 13:16 |
| MohammadAG | then flash it | 13:16 |
| MohammadAG | then root it again | 13:16 |
| lardman | yeah will do, just trying to see if everything works | 13:16 |
| MohammadAG | painfully | 13:16 |
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| DocScrutinizer | crashanddie: what makes you think MohammadAG is hoping for virgins *over there*? I'm sure he left over none | 13:18 |
| Dassu | anybody else has had problems with wlan roaming in certain networks? My N900 doesnt automatically connect to my unis network but does automatically connect to my home wlan. | 13:19 |
| lardman | Dassu: does it time out and use gprs instead? | 13:20 |
| Dassu | nope, if I manually choose it, it will work | 13:20 |
| lardman | oh, dunno then | 13:21 |
| lardman | sorry | 13:21 |
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| Dassu | however Im moving a lot so it might time out while in pocket. | 13:21 |
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| Dassu | Im talking about eduroam so this should be familiar to students of other institues, as well | 13:22 |
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| alterego | Anyone expecting to go on a journey today? | 13:25 |
| Dassu | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3399 seems to be this one | 13:25 |
| povbot | Bug 3399: Will not auto connect to WPA-Enterprise | 13:25 |
| alterego | I want someone to run a geo location test for me, to make sure this test app is reporting correct speed. | 13:25 |
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| alterego | MohammadAG: you wanna test this? | 13:34 |
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| MohammadAG | alterego, going out soonish, send it over :) | 13:37 |
| alterego | http://stage.rubyx.co.uk/mobility-location-test/ | 13:37 |
| alterego | I've got the source and .deb for N900 there | 13:37 |
| alterego | It's just a QLabel that reports the speed in miles per hour | 13:37 |
| alterego | Well, it should, but it's reporting really freaky results for me :( | 13:38 |
| ShadowJK | try m/s first to see if it's in converting that you messed up? | 13:39 |
| alterego | m/s is the raw value | 13:39 |
| ShadowJK | yes | 13:39 |
| alterego | 1 metre per second = 2.23693629 miles per hour | 13:39 |
| alterego | It's not rocket science, (unless you can see a bug in my code) ;) | 13:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | velocity is known to be massively off and random, for fist fix and early fixes | 13:40 |
| alterego | These aren't early fixes. | 13:41 |
| ShadowJK | and pretty random in weak signal like indoors or near hills or buildings | 13:41 |
| alterego | This is consistent | 13:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | alterego: there are, until proper meteo is downloaded | 13:41 |
| alterego | Reporting I'm going 180 miles per hour on a bus going down a country road with low horizons :P | 13:41 |
| alterego | This is with a good fix. | 13:42 |
| ShadowJK | hm | 13:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | what's reported precision? | 13:42 |
| alterego | ~20m | 13:43 |
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| alterego | I'll be able to test again tomorrow when I head into town. | 13:43 |
| alterego | But it's one annoying issue :) | 13:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | eps km/h Speed accuracy - fool! :-D | 13:44 |
| alterego | I can understand it not being dead on, but we're talking 3x what I'd expect in some cases .. | 13:44 |
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| * ShadowJK can't read C++.. | 13:47 | |
| * zap can't read brainfuck | 13:47 | |
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| zap | Anybody here who can fix package builder problems? | 13:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer | alterego: also, according to http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Using_Connectivity_Components/Using_Location_API speed is km/h which is m/s * 3.6 | 13:50 |
| ShadowJK | man, why are they doing conversion | 13:50 |
| * ShadowJK remembers Python on symbian doing conversion in Location too | 13:51 | |
| alterego | DocScrutinizer: that's not the Qt Mobility API | 13:51 |
| * DocScrutinizer shrugs | 13:51 | |
| alterego | DocScrutinizer: this is what I'm getting at though, I think there's a bug in the Qt Mobility API and I want someone to confirm it ;) | 13:51 |
| ShadowJK | pointless conversion to local time and back, but with an extra bug that makes time wrong whenever daylight savings changes | 13:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | there's probably a bug in qt docs :-P | 13:51 |
| ShadowJK | if they'd just passed through raw gps time from gps, it'd been fine and correct :-( | 13:52 |
| alterego | DocScrutinizer: no, not at all. They're just probably not converting :P | 13:52 |
| * alterego looks at the source | 13:52 | |
| DocScrutinizer | *sigh* | 13:52 |
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| alterego | It makes sense having metres a second, | 13:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes, SI FTW | 13:53 |
| ShadowJK | that's what NMEA output gives too | 13:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | though old nautical miles / hourglass were fine | 13:54 |
| lardman | hmm, well no need to update my wife's phone | 13:54 |
| lardman | but that Layar app does look quite cool | 13:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | or parsec / strontium90 halflife time | 13:54 |
| alterego | NMEA speed is in knots | 13:55 |
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| DocScrutinizer | civil or marine seafare knots? | 13:56 |
| alterego | Marine | 13:57 |
| alterego | I believe | 13:57 |
| alterego | It would be if anything, considering that was its' intended purpose ;) | 13:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | you know marine gallow knot has 7 winds, civil has 13 | 13:57 |
| alterego | freakin' internet is sloooow. | 13:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | they're hang-happy at marine | 13:58 |
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| * DocScrutinizer curses all those "proprietary" units that kill rockets, annoy coders, make bridges go down, make every US citizen talk like a gashead | 14:01 | |
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| DocScrutinizer | "hit them all with a 5/8" 3 feet water pipe" | 14:03 |
| alterego | Looks like their liblocationwrapper devices reported speed by 3.6 | 14:03 |
| alterego | So they should already be doing the conversion. | 14:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | can't you compare to liblocationtest? | 14:04 |
| frals | lardman: pong | 14:04 |
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| lardman | frals: not to worry, I got fmms working :) | 14:05 |
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| alterego | DocScrutinizer: where's the source for that? | 14:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | for WHAT? | 14:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | seafare knots? | 14:07 |
| alterego | Nevermind .. | 14:07 |
| frals | lardman: great :) | 14:07 |
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| * lardman retrieves his sim from that nasty android phone | 14:09 | |
| lardman | and forgets to stop the Meego boot process, doh! | 14:09 |
| * alterego looks for the source to liblocation | 14:10 | |
| alterego | let me guess ... | 14:10 |
| alterego | It's closed isn't it .. | 14:10 |
| lardman | yes | 14:10 |
| lardman | afair | 14:10 |
| alterego | Just wondering if the change isn't in there ... | 14:11 |
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| lardman | argh missed it again, the uboot timeout needs to be longer | 14:11 |
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| alterego | Hah | 14:11 |
| RST38h | Moo to whoever I have not seen today | 14:12 |
| RST38h | Heya lardman | 14:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | lardman: there's no such thing like uBoot timeout aiui. It's watchdog timeout | 14:12 |
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| lardman | hi RST38h | 14:13 |
| alterego | DocScrutinizer: he's talking about the auto boot timeout | 14:13 |
| * DocScrutinizer too | 14:13 | |
| lardman | docscrutinizer: is it? It looks like a standard grub timeout before it boots the MMC image | 14:14 |
| alterego | The 4 seconds you have to press a key to enter the boot prompt | 14:14 |
| alterego | So you can call run noloboot | 14:14 |
| alterego | To get maemo | 14:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | ooh | 14:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | that one | 14:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes | 14:14 |
| alterego | Yes, that one :P | 14:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | alterego: uBoot-NIT needs to learn about env storage, err remember about it | 14:15 |
| lardman | ah, back to Linuxy goodness :) | 14:15 |
| alterego | Oh, they've screwed up their uboot? | 14:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | I completely understand it's a PITA to write and read CAL in uBoot, but it seems the only proper way | 14:16 |
| alterego | Why aren't they using the meego uboot? | 14:16 |
| chem|st | re | 14:16 |
| alterego | All that is taken care of .. | 14:16 |
| chem|st | uboot tripple boot now? | 14:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | why? does meego uBoot have env? | 14:16 |
| alterego | I believe so | 14:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | nope | 14:16 |
| alterego | Oh well | 14:17 |
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| alterego | Ooo, full spread of 12 sats in view. | 14:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | uBoot env (at least on Neo) is a dedicated partitions, much like CAL | 14:17 |
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| ShadowJK | who are "they"? | 14:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | no idea | 14:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | pluralis majestatais | 14:18 |
| alterego | bbiam | 14:18 |
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| alterego | Okay, something must have broke in qt mobility or liblocation, because ground speed, like you suggested is being reported in kph (it would seem) | 14:22 |
| * alterego writes a bug report | 14:23 | |
| lardman | http://maemo.org/api_refs/5.0/5.0-final/liblocation/LocationGPSDevice.html | 14:24 |
| lardman | says that it will be in kph | 14:24 |
| alterego | Not in qt mobility | 14:24 |
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| lardman | ah I see | 14:24 |
| alterego | Qt mobility is supposed to report ms | 14:24 |
| lardman | the wonders of QtMobility | 14:24 |
| Turski | did you mean: km/h | 14:24 |
| lardman | km/h = kph | 14:24 |
| alterego | kph hm/h yes :P | 14:24 |
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| alterego | In the mobility source, they do a division by 3.6 though | 14:25 |
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| lardman | -> m/s? | 14:25 |
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| alterego | I might try a liblocation test | 14:25 |
| alterego | lardman: yeah | 14:25 |
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| lardman | http://doc.qt.nokia.com/qtmobility-1.0/qgeopositioninfo.html is all in metres | 14:26 |
| lardman | or m/s, etc | 14:26 |
| alterego | lardman: exactly, but it appears to be in kph on maemo for some reason | 14:26 |
| lardman | oh I see, apologies I thought you were saying it should be in knots or something like that | 14:27 |
| alterego | But like I said, looking at the source in git they're doing a conversion from liblocation to m/s | 14:27 |
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| alterego | No, we were talking about nmea being in knots. | 14:27 |
| * lardman goes back to just doing one thing at once :) | 14:28 | |
| alterego | :) | 14:28 |
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| alterego | Now, do I do a maemo platform bug report or a qt mobility bug report :) | 14:30 |
| RST38h | Both =) | 14:30 |
| alterego | I guess that depends on my lib location test. | 14:30 |
| lardman | qt mobility I reckon | 14:32 |
| alterego | Well, it depends, if liblocation is reporting kph then yes, if it's reporting m/s then no. | 14:33 |
| lardman | hmm, I seem to remember a bug about something like that | 14:33 |
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| alterego | I'll do a search then | 14:35 |
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| alterego | can't seem to find anything. | 14:40 |
| alterego | Awww, they killed of that sexy girl from sgu :( | 14:44 |
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| Gustavoferreira | hi everyone, i want to develop a program to maemo plotting some functions. i'm programming in C and using GTK+, i know that exist an GTKextra with functions to plot whatever we want. What i want to know is if the GTKextra is accessible for maemo? i guess it is, can someone confirm that? thank you. | 14:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | alterego: keep your sticky fingers off our sane SI and related European units. I don't mind your mph, but kph is plain nonsense | 14:53 |
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| Gustavoferreira | anyone? | 14:59 |
| ShadowJK | Gustavoferreira, libgtkextra-x11-2.0-1 | 14:59 |
| ShadowJK | in extras | 14:59 |
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| Gustavoferreira | thank you very much! | 15:00 |
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| ShadowJK | fuelpad seems to be the only user of it | 15:00 |
| Gustavoferreira | yes i got that when you told me the lib, thank you | 15:01 |
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| alterego | gr8 my liblocation test doesn't work :/ | 15:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer | *your*? | 15:04 |
| alterego | Yes, mine .. | 15:05 |
| alterego | Something wrong with that?! | 15:05 |
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| alterego | Oh, there's an actual, liblocation-test package :D | 15:06 |
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| alterego | "E: Handler silently failed" :/ | 15:06 |
| alterego | Oh, not connected to the interbuttz | 15:07 |
| pupnik_ | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5vps6lizg0 << _epic_ cosplay: bioshock | 15:07 |
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| DocScrutinizer | http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_sdk-tools_non-free_armel/location-test-gui/0.93-1+0m5/ | 15:08 |
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| pupnik_ | Group Scheduling gets praise from Torvalds: 'I think this is firmly one of those "real improvement" patches. Good job. Group scheduling goes from "useful for some specific server loads" to "that's a killer feature"' - Linus Torvalds http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=linux_2637_video&num=1 | 15:10 |
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| FauxFaux | Quoting phonorix; gj. | 15:10 |
| pupnik_ | quoting torvalds: and your problem is? | 15:11 |
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| RST38h | quoting zoo keeper: another fish, dear? | 15:13 |
| RST38h | Ok, requesting some help from the DBus adepts | 15:13 |
| RST38h | Anyone knows how I can access messaging, address book, and email via DBus? | 15:13 |
| RST38h | Is there a reference of some kind? | 15:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | phone control | 15:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | I guess | 15:14 |
| RST38h | URL? | 15:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | wiki.bla.blub | 15:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | ask MohammadAG | 15:14 |
| RST38h | aha, I see it | 15:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer | http://wiki.maemo.org/Phone_control | 15:15 |
| * RST38h thinks he will have to cooperate with Mohammad on this one | 15:16 | |
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| Reventon | hello | 15:19 |
| Reventon | anyone ? | 15:20 |
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| pupnik_ | hi | 15:23 |
| Reventon | y's this place dead? | 15:25 |
| Reventon | ....except u | 15:25 |
| ShadowJK | I didn't know it was dead | 15:26 |
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| lardman | cheers pupnik_, interesting link | 15:26 |
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| DocScrutinizer | RST38h: afaik there's no sane dbus access method for addrbook | 15:29 |
| crashanddie | Reventon, you're dead | 15:30 |
| NooBmonk3y | alterego, went though the deb file, and things are definitley in the wrong places :| | 15:30 |
| NooBmonk3y | /usr/share/doc/maecount/ (is the only folder in usr/share/) and has the copyright file in it :| | 15:31 |
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| Reventon | lol...came back to life | 15:39 |
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| Reventon | is there an app to unlock the phone using the screen | 15:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | lockscreen, I'd think it's maemo default | 15:40 |
| pupnik_ | http://www.google.com/trends?q=Scheduling&ctab=0&geo=all&date=all global 'scheduling' decreases periodically around christmas | 15:41 |
| Reventon | no..i dnt wish to use the pjysical buttons | 15:41 |
| Reventon | keep usin 'em too often | 15:41 |
| alterego | Just do what I do, press power button and swipe to unlock. | 15:43 |
| Reventon | i knw tht... | 15:43 |
| SpeedEvil | What's wrong with tapping the lock switch? | 15:43 |
| alterego | I find the mechanical movement of using the lock switch more fiddly. | 15:44 |
| Reventon | too frequent use might make them loose | 15:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | sorry I really don't get it | 15:44 |
| alterego | And it's in a kind of awkward position for me, so I tend to always use the power button to lock/unlock. | 15:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | you want to unlock the screen by using the screen? that's rather nonsene | 15:44 |
| alterego | double tap locks automagically. | 15:45 |
| alterego | Your face is nonsense. | 15:46 |
| alterego | But yes, I'm not sure what he wants either. | 15:46 |
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| ShadowJK | I guess he wants a magic gesture on ts to turn on screen and unlock | 15:48 |
| alterego | This isn't a Harry Potter filem maaaan | 15:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer | won't work, as screen lock is meant to keep CPU/system from running all the time on bogus screen input | 15:49 |
| SpeedEvil | If you disambiguate on no-prox, it could work OKish | 15:50 |
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| alterego | I say just deal with it :) | 15:51 |
| ShadowJK | is proximity sensor activated all the time normally? | 15:51 |
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| alterego | I think it is when you read it. | 15:52 |
| lardman | ShadowJK: you mean active all the time? | 15:53 |
| lardman | in which case yes | 15:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: yes | 15:53 |
| lardman | while the screen is on at least, take a look at it through a video camera | 15:54 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I had a very hard time to se those ultrashort quite weak flashes | 15:55 |
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| DocScrutinizer | thru N900 video cam | 15:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | see* | 15:55 |
| RST38h | Doc: What about access to messaging and email? | 15:56 |
| RST38h | Doc: Alternatively, can messaging/email be accessed as plain files? | 15:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | messaging as in SMS sending is known to work. No idea bout the rest | 15:57 |
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| DocScrutinizer | RST38h: there are apps that react on keywords of inbound SMS afaik, so this seems to work as well | 15:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | don't ask me bout modest | 15:58 |
| RST38h | Doc: SMS sending is done through DBus afaik | 15:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | if it's not *completely* brainfart then it is using either maildir or file | 15:59 |
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| RST38h | A lot of data appears to be in some light SQL database | 15:59 |
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| RST38h | So, PHP should be able to query it | 15:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | meh, mails in a SQL db. What an awkward idea | 16:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | sorry, NFC | 16:00 |
| RST38h | Just about any textual information in an SQL db is a bad idea, weirdly | 16:00 |
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| derf | As compared to 1000's of tiny files on a FAT filesystem? | 16:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer | FAT? | 16:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | pff | 16:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | even then | 16:01 |
| derf | Or compared to a single large flat file, given a device that frequently hangs or reboots. | 16:01 |
| RST38h | derf: those are going to be more reliable at the end | 16:01 |
| derf | Also on a FAT filesystem. | 16:01 |
| Reventon | well, getting back to the lock topic, it would have been good if we had a on screen pattern to press and unlock | 16:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | if you got 1000's of mail files on your N900 managing them with modest then for sure you should rethink your habits | 16:02 |
| RST38h | derf: SQL databases in N900 *are* flat files | 16:02 |
| Reventon | ..instead of a simlpe swipe | 16:02 |
| RST38h | derf: SQLite, you know | 16:02 |
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| derf | RST38h: Sure, but sqlite is design with slightly more attention paid to robustness than, say, mbox. | 16:02 |
| derf | *designed | 16:02 |
| RST38h | derf: Nah | 16:02 |
| RST38h | derf: With multiple files, the file system itself takes care of robustness | 16:03 |
| derf | Hahahahaha. | 16:03 |
| Reventon | sorry for bein offtopic | 16:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | Reventon: what are you talking about? Use "lock device" function, to be set up in settings | 16:03 |
| RST38h | derf: With a single SQLite file, you entrust oyour data to some weird open source project that is known to corrupt data, often | 16:03 |
| derf | "I only corrupted some of them!" | 16:03 |
| RST38h | derf: (see Firefox SQLite databases) | 16:03 |
| RST38h | derf: Well, corrupting *some* is better than trashing the whole file | 16:03 |
| derf | Sure. I am not saying sqlite is ideal. | 16:04 |
| derf | I'm just saying I understand the appeal. | 16:04 |
| RST38h | Yea, sure | 16:04 |
| RST38h | If it were reliable, then sure | 16:04 |
| derf | And I only occasionally lose several GB of downloaded maps with Maemo Mapper. | 16:04 |
| RST38h | derf: But, as one .RU prime minister said, "We tried making it better, but ended up with the usual" | 16:05 |
| Reventon | @Doc: Im talkin abt the ability to unlock the screen using a certain swipe/press pattern and with the use of any physical key | 16:05 |
| derf | (usually because the SD card fills up, or runs into the file size limit) | 16:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | derf: so you understand what mistakes devels did, at best | 16:05 |
| Reventon | *without | 16:05 |
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| Reventon | @Doc: Im talkin abt the ability to unlock the screen using a certain swipe/press pattern and without the use of any physical key | 16:06 |
| derf | Anyway, from where I sit, none of the solutions are any good. | 16:06 |
| derf | And I don't use Modest for a reason. | 16:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | Reventon: [2010-11-17 14:49:02] <DocScrutinizer> won't work, as screen lock is meant to keep CPU/system from running all the time on bogus screen input | 16:06 |
| dominik | hej, i'm trying to connect my n900 to a shared connection setup on an ubuntu machine. has anyone succeeded with that? | 16:06 |
| Reventon | aaah....i get the point....thanks for tht info Doc | 16:07 |
| Reventon | nice way to save bettery power | 16:08 |
| Reventon | *battery | 16:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer | afaik not a single phone does that, no matter spyPhone, Nokia, Samsung, HTC, any other | 16:10 |
| Reventon | nice bein here....cya laterz | 16:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer | on each you press a hw button to activate the device, then you may unlock via touchscreen | 16:10 |
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| lardman | well that's good news, mBarcode now reads and adds MECARDs | 16:29 |
| SpeedEvil | MECARD? | 16:29 |
| lardman | http://www.nttdocomo.co.jp/english/service/imode/make/content/barcode/function/application/addressbook/index.html | 16:30 |
| SpeedEvil | Is that like a mandatory barcode on your forehead that you get tattooed on when you install meego? | 16:30 |
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| lardman | :) | 16:30 |
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| lardman | has anyone got a linky to the DBus command to open a lat/lon in Ovi Maps? | 16:38 |
| lardman | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=663590&postcount=5 fwiw | 16:40 |
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| alterego | Didn't even know you could do that ;) | 16:41 |
| alterego | Cool. | 16:41 |
| lardman | not sure how well it works, just adding it to mBarcode before I go for a concerted push to extras proper | 16:41 |
| alterego | Sweet | 16:41 |
| alterego | That might be useful for my app actually, because I'm not implementing mapping, it would be cool to have a "Open in Ovi Maps" feature. | 16:42 |
| lardman | would be cool to be able to change the default map app and have a generic dbus call to "open in the default maps app" too | 16:43 |
| lardman | any Nokians about know what the last parameter to com.nokia.Navigation.MapPlugin.ShowPlaceGeo means? | 16:44 |
| SpeedEvil | lardman: hmm | 16:44 |
| SpeedEvil | lardman: doesn't the maps widget on desktop open maps if you double-tap or something? | 16:44 |
| SpeedEvil | dbus/... | 16:45 |
| chem|st | lardman: lsiten to dbus while you tab a contacts address | 16:45 |
| alterego | lardman: zoom level I'd guess | 16:45 |
| lardman | that's what the op said in that thread, but apparently not | 16:45 |
| alterego | Oh, hrm. | 16:45 |
| alterego | Not sure then. | 16:46 |
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| chem|st | lardman: dbus-send --dest=com.nokia.NokiaMaps --type=method_call /com/nokia/maps/MapPlugin com.nokia.Navigation.MapPlugin.ShowPlaceGeo double:<latitude> double:<longitude> uint32:5 | 16:46 |
| lardman | yeah, so what is the uint32 for? | 16:47 |
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| alterego | Have you tried changing it and seeing what happens ;) | 16:47 |
| lardman | altitude, location uncertainty? | 16:47 |
| lardman | alterego: no, will do in a bit | 16:47 |
| alterego | That post is pretty old tbh :P | 16:48 |
| lardman | sure | 16:48 |
| pupnik_ | lardman: are you already working with phonon? | 16:49 |
| chem|st | alterego: yes but as long as it works... | 16:49 |
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| lardman | pupnik_: nope | 16:49 |
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| chem|st | lardman: dontknwo waht uint32 is |-o-| | 16:50 |
| alterego | chem|st: well, that's not what I meant, I was just wondering if maybe that argument wasn't implemented in PR1.1 | 16:50 |
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| alterego | Weird, it doesn't actually seem to work for me. | 16:54 |
| alterego | Thoguh I can see the maps process in the background. | 16:54 |
| chem|st | alterego: it wasn't it became available with 1.2 | 16:55 |
| alterego | chem|st: oh, still, can't get it to work for me :/ | 16:55 |
| chem|st | lardman: the unsinged int may be the value for what to do with it like routing or something | 16:56 |
| lardman | perhaps, though I'd have thought that would be implemented by a different dbus call | 16:56 |
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| alterego | It's amazing what getting rid of a little bit of floating point math does for the processor usage of an application ^.^ | 17:00 |
| MohammadAG | alterego, apparently, 20kmph = 80 on your app | 17:02 |
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| MohammadAG | which unit was it again? | 17:02 |
| alterego | MohammadAG: yeah, I've pinpointed the problem | 17:02 |
| alterego | miles per hour | 17:02 |
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| lardman | hmm, do I need to cast QStringList elements to QString before I can convert them to something else? | 17:03 |
| alterego | Qt Mobility is reporting kph though the docs say it should report m/s. | 17:03 |
| MohammadAG | alterego, got a new version? :) | 17:03 |
| MohammadAG | lol | 17:03 |
| alterego | Yeah, so there's a but in Qt Mobility location on maemo in PR1.3 | 17:03 |
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| alterego | This bug was in PR1.2 as well, I should havbe investigated it then and it would have been fixed in PR1.3 >:( | 17:04 |
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| chem|st | lardman: I thought for Qt is a special mobility thinx implemented?! Why not use that? | 17:04 |
| lardman | hmm, yeah could do | 17:04 |
| juk_ | scim-ppbopomo where's source code? | 17:05 |
| lardman | actually I can't see any way of opening a map | 17:05 |
| lardman | in QtMobility | 17:05 |
| alterego | There isn't. | 17:06 |
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| alterego | MohammadAG: you can have a play with my Columbus app in a bit. | 17:09 |
| MohammadAG | alterego, Qt Mobility (libqtm-*) is not part of PR1.3 | 17:09 |
| alterego | Is it not? | 17:09 |
| MohammadAG | in fact, all packages are separately upgradeable | 17:09 |
| MohammadAG | (afaik) | 17:09 |
| alterego | Interesting. | 17:09 |
| alterego | I could have sworn PR1.3 came with mobility APIs | 17:10 |
| alterego | Maybe I'm wrong :P | 17:10 |
| MohammadAG | it did, but they're not dependent on the meta package | 17:10 |
| alterego | Hrm | 17:10 |
| MohammadAG | so, filing a bug might actually get it fixed | 17:11 |
| alterego | MohammadAG: yeah, maybe ... | 17:11 |
| juk_ | what's average rate of bloby soft in maemo repos | 17:14 |
| alterego | Well formed question. | 17:14 |
| MohammadAG | ~openness | 17:16 |
| infobot | hmm... openness is http://mer-project.blogspot.com/2010/02/mapping-openness-of-maemo-50-pr11-and.html | 17:16 |
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| juk_ | i better ask from firstfan | 17:19 |
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| lardman | I'm getting a curious error message: symbol lookup error: undefined symbol: _ZN6QrSink7openGeoE7QString | 17:22 |
| lardman | any ideas? | 17:22 |
| lardman | I'd normally think that means some version problem, but other code in the plugin runs | 17:22 |
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| flux | lardman, c++filt is your friend, it means QrSink::openGeo(QString) is missing | 17:22 |
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| flux | (if this helps at all) | 17:23 |
| juk_ | pm'ed him | 17:23 |
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| lardman | yeah, I copied the header declaration in and didn't bother to stick the class name on the front, doh! | 17:23 |
| lardman | thanks | 17:24 |
| juk_ | oh it's lgpled, damnit | 17:25 |
| chem|st | lardman: dbus-send --dest=com.nokia.Navigation.NokiaMapsProvider --type=method_call /Provider com.nokia.Navigation.MapProvider.LocationToAddresses double:<latitude> double:<longitude> boolean:false returns the address from it ... | 17:25 |
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| lardman | that might be quite useful | 17:26 |
| lardman | does it start the maps app up? | 17:26 |
| lardman | the slow ui bit at least? | 17:27 |
| chem|st | lardman: no it jsut returns via dbus the address | 17:27 |
| chem|st | how to start the program I did not get along yet still reverse engineering the damn dbus output for known address | 17:27 |
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| lardman | well that's good as the maps ui takes forever to startup, something to be avoided if possible :) | 17:29 |
| chem|st | lardman: ha I got it | 17:30 |
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| chem|st | !!!1111 | 17:31 |
| lardman | cool | 17:31 |
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| chem|st | lardman: dbus-send --dest=com.nokia.Navigation.NokiaMapsProvider --type=method_call /Provider com.nokia.Navigation.MapProvider.ShowLocationGeo double:<latitude> double:<longitude> uint32:0 | 17:31 |
| chem|st | lardman: try that! | 17:32 |
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| lardman | ok will do | 17:32 |
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| alterego | Still doesn't work for me .. | 17:35 |
| chem|st | alterego: paste your line pls | 17:36 |
| chem|st | alterego: pr1.3_ | 17:36 |
| chem|st | ? | 17:36 |
| chem|st | oh sorry | 17:36 |
| chem|st | dbus-send --dest=com.nokia.Navigation.NokiaMapsProvider --type=method_call /Provider com.nokia.Navigation.MapProvider.ShowPlaceGeo double:<latitude> double:<longitude> uint32:0 | 17:37 |
| chem|st | lardman: ^^ Place!=Location | 17:37 |
| lardman | not me gov'n'r | 17:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | chem|st: you're tmo mod? | 17:38 |
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| alterego | Still nothing. | 17:38 |
| chem|st | DocScrutinizer: si | 17:38 |
| lardman | though I did nearly make that mistake | 17:38 |
| alterego | It starts the process, I can see it with ps | 17:38 |
| alterego | But nothing shows on the screen. | 17:39 |
| alterego | Anyhow, got more interesting things to be doing at the moment ^.^ | 17:39 |
| alterego | brb | 17:39 |
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| lardman | hmm, yeah didn't open it for me either I'm afraid | 17:44 |
| chem|st | lardman: with the second line? the first got ShowLocationGeo and that wont work | 17:46 |
| lardman | ah it should be com.nokia.Navigation.MapProvider.ShowPlaceGeo then? | 17:47 |
| chem|st | yes | 17:47 |
| chem|st | the doubles are std floatP | 17:47 |
| chem|st | so 55.1234 and 1.12432 | 17:47 |
| lardman | I'm calling it from C++ anyway | 17:47 |
| chem|st | sure | 17:48 |
| lardman | looking good, maps is opening | 17:50 |
| lardman | perfect, good stuff | 17:50 |
| alterego | Looks like I might have to do some rather nasty hacks if I want my animations to be smooth and not take 80% CPU | 17:50 |
| chem|st | for doing it with an address I got no time now but it is AddressToLocations with an array of strings dbus is returning AddressToLocationsReply with an array struct with the two doubles | 17:51 |
| lardman | that could be useful :) | 17:52 |
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| alterego | The new mobility APIs have mapping and navigation capabilities | 17:53 |
| alterego | Really cool, hope we get them soon. | 17:53 |
| chem|st | lardman: it is 15 string values | 17:53 |
| chem|st | 5th is "City" and 9th is "Country" afair | 17:53 |
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| chem|st | lardman: just open a contact with all fields for adress filled and watch dbus for the fields | 17:57 |
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| lardman | chem|st: cool will do, but I don't need that atm so will put it on the backburner | 18:00 |
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| alterego | MohammadAG: ping | 18:00 |
| chem|st | lardman: sure jsut to let you know there is api | 18:01 |
| lardman | thanks :) | 18:01 |
| MohammadAG | alterego, pong | 18:02 |
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| alterego | MohammadAG: fancy playing with Columbus? | 18:03 |
| MohammadAG | you know my answer don't you :P | 18:04 |
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| alterego | PMd | 18:06 |
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| alterego | Let me know what you think, it's missing the other two main views, logging and bluetooth/network server at the moment as Ive not integrated them back into my code. | 18:07 |
| alterego | Just want your impression on the UX/UI :) | 18:07 |
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| MohammadAG | alterego, lovely, I love the how the two icons at the top drop | 18:11 |
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| alterego | MohammadAG: the bounce? Yeah, added that yesterday because I thought the normal animation was too boring ^.^ | 18:11 |
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| * MohammadAG loves it xD | 18:12 | |
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| alterego | The line graph is accuracy | 18:12 |
| alterego | And the bottom bar chart is obviously signal strength. | 18:12 |
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| MohammadAG | i'll test it when i'm out, gps doesn't work properly indoors :P | 18:13 |
| alterego | This is why I work near a window :x | 18:13 |
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| MohammadAG | i'm on the balcony, but still | 18:14 |
| alterego | I've just got to redo the heading/speed indicators then I'm done with that view and can reintegrate my track log/navigation view. | 18:14 |
| MohammadAG | you need to be moving in a direction to get the "compass" working properly | 18:14 |
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| alterego | Indeed. | 18:14 |
| pupnik_ | i /etc/hosted most of google and my entire browsing experience just got significantly faster | 18:14 |
| alterego | pupnik_: o/ | 18:14 |
| MohammadAG | you what? | 18:14 |
| alterego | Have you tried the swipe between views? | 18:16 |
| alterego | (even though the other two are just blank) ^.^ | 18:16 |
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| alterego | It's the reason I developed that widget ;) | 18:17 |
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| MohammadAG | alterego, yep :) | 18:20 |
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| * MohammadAG ponders making his app fullscreen and making a fake top bar | 18:20 | |
| pupnik_ | MohammadAG: seems that disabling google analytics halves my browsing lags | 18:20 |
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| pupnik_ | at least some things are popping up that always lagged before | 18:21 |
| alterego | pupnik_: that's believable. | 18:21 |
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| alterego | Post your mods on the wiki :) | 18:21 |
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| alterego | MohammadAG: that's how you write apps in MeeGo .. | 18:21 |
| MohammadAG | alterego, how did you get the options dialog to rearrange nicely? | 18:22 |
| MohammadAG | compare it to fapman's dialog | 18:22 |
| pupnik_ | this is on my laptop alterego - http://pastie.org/1305878 | 18:22 |
| * alterego doesn't have fapman installed. | 18:22 | |
| MohammadAG | install it then :P | 18:22 |
| alterego | Holy cow, | 18:23 |
| alterego | vodafone content control now blocking pastie.org O_O | 18:23 |
| alterego | Or has their traffic filter picked up a keyword, lke "hack" or something,. | 18:23 |
| * alterego enables proxy | 18:23 | |
| pupnik_ | http://pastebin.ca/1994680 | 18:23 |
| alterego | Got it now ;) | 18:24 |
| alterego | Neat, so you redirect everything you hate to localhost | 18:24 |
| alterego | Isn't that a bit sadomasochistic? | 18:24 |
| pupnik_ | it resolves quickest | 18:24 |
| pupnik_ | let me know if you see a difference | 18:25 |
| alterego | MohammadAG: how do you mean anyway? rearrange? switching from landscape->portrait? | 18:25 |
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| pupnik_ | really i need my firewall or something to cache all dns requests and rank by frequency, and give me a tool to block any with a simple click or text message | 18:25 |
| pupnik_ | so whatever new domain the ad-services come up with, it will be grabbed frequently and bubble up the list | 18:26 |
| alterego | Cool | 18:26 |
| derf | 0.0.0.0 is also a great IP. | 18:26 |
| alterego | MohammadAG: oh, I see, that's pretty awful ;) | 18:27 |
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| alterego | My Options dialog isn't as complex. | 18:29 |
| alterego | I'd imagine it's because there are widgets in there that don't resize to < 400px very well. | 18:29 |
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| slonopotamus | hello from n800. meh. | 18:31 |
| alterego | Heh | 18:31 |
| slonopotamus | alterego, crappy n900 usb connector broke. again. | 18:33 |
| alterego | Cripes | 18:33 |
| alterego | How long have you had the device for it to break twice? | 18:33 |
| slonopotamus | 1 year | 18:34 |
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| alterego | :/ | 18:34 |
| alterego | I've not had a problem with mine, had it since late January. | 18:35 |
| slonopotamus | and afaik next breakage will happen after warranty ends | 18:35 |
| alterego | Heh | 18:36 |
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| alterego | Well, why don't you take the device apart this time and super glue it in place ;) | 18:36 |
| slonopotamus | so i either need epoxy or sell it away | 18:36 |
| alterego | Yeah | 18:36 |
| * slonopotamus tries to remember whether warranty is 1 or 2 years | 18:38 | |
| alterego | Are you in Europe? | 18:38 |
| slonopotamus | russia. not sure that counts as yes or no :) | 18:39 |
| alterego | Heh | 18:39 |
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| kerio | hmm, if i don't have a receipt will i get free assistance from nokia now? | 18:39 |
| kerio | when was the n900 officially released? | 18:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: (making a fake top bar) dare! | 18:39 |
| slonopotamus | kerio, ~ autumn 2009 | 18:40 |
| slonopotamus | kerio, maybe late summer | 18:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer | slonopotamus: actually November iirc | 18:43 |
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| slonopotamus | oh great. google reader says it doesn't support diablo microb | 18:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | LOL | 18:44 |
| * slonopotamus tried replacing n800 screen. repair service said 'oh noes, we can't order screens for it from nokia' | 18:45 | |
| Arkenoi | wtf? | 18:46 |
| Arkenoi | you can order new screen for nokia 3210, it is ten years old | 18:46 |
| Arkenoi | and cannot order screen for n800? | 18:47 |
| slonopotamus | Arkenoi, repair service on sretenka, 9. | 18:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | depends on how many devices are out there | 18:47 |
| slonopotamus | and wrt n900 say said 'wut? again?' | 18:48 |
| slonopotamus | s/say/they/ | 18:48 |
| infobot | slonopotamus meant: and wrt n900 they said 'wut? again?' | 18:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer | slonopotamus: answer "That's what I thought as well. So this time fix the crap for good!" | 18:48 |
| * Arkenoi is playing with wimax-wifi router from samsung. those idiots made samsung/ubiquam proprietary usb/charger connector there | 18:49 | |
| slonopotamus | DocScrutinizer, they can't unless nokia changed mobo. | 18:49 |
| Arkenoi | (the router is portable battery-powered one) | 18:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I think Nokia did. At least there are reports about glue under receptacle | 18:50 |
| slonopotamus | Arkenoi, yeah, samsung likes to do that | 18:50 |
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| Arkenoi | i wish n900 had wimax | 18:50 |
| kerio | >more battery drain | 18:51 |
| kerio | sure, why not | 18:51 |
| slonopotamus | DocScrutinizer, dunno, i didn't open its case yet. | 18:51 |
| Arkenoi | you may turn it off while unused | 18:51 |
| Arkenoi | the router is bulky, it is about n900 size. ok for winter time but definitely does not fit for summer when you have no free pockets | 18:52 |
| slonopotamus | Arkenoi, wait, pocket wimax <-> wifi? | 18:53 |
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| slonopotamus | Arkenoi, does it have head-mount? :) | 18:54 |
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| Arkenoi | slonopotamus, yota egg, haven't you ever seen it? | 18:58 |
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| DocScrutinizer | the most proper sturdy design for USB receptacle would be to weld it to a small sheet of metal with a aperture for the plug to fit in and 2 small holes for screws. Then insert the whole receptacle from outside into case and fix with two screws to case plastic. Connect to main board inside with thin short wire jumpers that easily break without destroying the PCB whenever the receptacle gets bent or pulled out | 19:01 |
| slonopotamus | DocScrutinizer, agreed. funnily, desktop usbs work exactly that way (well, except s/jumpers/cord/) | 19:03 |
| * ShadowJK has a eeling they don't want to attach anything to exterior case | 19:03 | |
| slonopotamus | ShadowJK, why? | 19:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | you bet they don't want | 19:03 |
| ShadowJK | those highspeed videos of drop testing makes it looks like anything attached to case is going to get ripped out :) | 19:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer | if Nokia did proper design they could have threads in that sheet of steel and screw fix it from outside to the inside of plasic (god I'm poor at describing things), then you just see 2 screw heads outside | 19:05 |
| slonopotamus | n8x0 has other problem, charger plug has very high chance of breakage if fallen while in. likely, new charger is just $5. | 19:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer | plus N8x0 charger plug is sitting fixed in a 'bay' of plastic case and contacts to board via springs. Another feasible design for micro-USB | 19:07 |
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| DocScrutinizer | s/plug/receptacle/ | 19:08 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer meant: plus N8x0 charger receptacle is sitting fixed in a 'bay' of plastic case and contacts to board via springs. Another feasible design for micro-USB | 19:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer | same design used for all Nxxx headphone receptacles | 19:09 |
| * slonopotamus wonders how n8x0 usb is attached | 19:09 | |
| DocScrutinizer | nobody ever heard of "My N900/N8x0 headset receptacle came out of the case" | 19:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | slonopotamus: same | 19:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | like N900 | 19:10 |
| slonopotamus | meh. | 19:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/N810-disassembly/ | 19:10 |
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| slonopotamus | at least, this time i didn't have to convince repair service that this is a warranty case :) | 19:11 |
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| * Arkenoi wonders if there is a way to change wimax host certificate in n810 wimax edition, to make it possible to use it with russian wimax networks. it is said that certificate validation is the problem.. | 19:12 | |
| DocScrutinizer | ooh I see N810 hs-receptacle was soldered | 19:12 |
| pupnik_ | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tablet_personal_computer shouldn't the nokia 770 get a mention there? | 19:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer | slonopotamus: http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/N810-disassembly/n810_disassembly/snc00298_jpg.jpeg.html | 19:13 |
| pupnik_ | oh there it is nm | 19:13 |
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| slonopotamus | DocScrutinizer, so, same crap. the only thing that saved it is that charger has separate receptable. | 19:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer | slonopotamus: probably. Though I guess my first N900 has its first birthday today (or maybe last week) and it has no problems yet | 19:16 |
| slonopotamus | DocScrutinizer, you always keep it on charger? :) | 19:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | at least once a day | 19:18 |
| alterego | Okay, that's it, gonna do my own freaking speed indicator widget .. | 19:18 |
| Afteris | :) | 19:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer | slonopotamus: but I'm very concerned about me never pulling on charger cable, never placing the device on a soft surface or otherwise make it sit on charger plug, and I insert and unplug charger plug *very* carefully and in line | 19:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | prying it out with nails, while finger knuckles sit on case | 19:22 |
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| slonopotamus | you don't expect everyone to do that, uh? | 19:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I don't care too much about others here | 19:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | Nokia though shouldn't expect everybody is doing it that way | 19:23 |
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| slonopotamus | i thought such things have to be tested for handling N number of plug in/out where N is several times greater than expected average device usage time | 19:25 |
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| slonopotamus | so if n900 requires daily charging (twice, actually), then it should survive, for example, 2*365*(3..5) cycles | 19:27 |
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| slonopotamus | okay. are there any alternatives to n900? :) | 19:28 |
| mgedmin | depends on what you want | 19:29 |
| mgedmin | for me, no | 19:29 |
| NooBmonk3y | alterego got a spare few mins? :) | 19:29 |
| RST38h | slonopotamus: The Pandora! =) | 19:30 |
| slonopotamus | mgedmin, keyboard, 3g, browser, messaging, terminal, pdf reader | 19:31 |
| RST38h | slono: Actually, many Android devices will fit your requirements | 19:31 |
| mgedmin | slonopotamus, laptop | 19:31 |
| slonopotamus | ability to chroot to linux | 19:31 |
| mgedmin | add "fits in a pocket", and it's more difficult | 19:31 |
| RST38h | mgedmin: it is not | 19:32 |
| slonopotamus | mgedmin, usable while standing | 19:32 |
| RST38h | mgedmin: any generic Android device will fit the bill | 19:32 |
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| lardman | not many have a kb though | 19:32 |
| RST38h | lardman: there are some | 19:32 |
| mgedmin | ha! gotcha! | 19:32 |
| RST38h | droid | 19:33 |
| mgedmin | I think my list of requirements includes a linux-like userland, which makes Android not fit very well | 19:33 |
| mgedmin | n900 is a computer first, phone second | 19:33 |
| slonopotamus | RST38h, openpandora you mean? | 19:33 |
| mgedmin | android is a phone first, computer second | 19:33 |
| derf | What mgedmin said. | 19:33 |
| mgedmin | I'd hate to use my n900 for phone calls | 19:34 |
| mgedmin | I tried, that didn't last one day | 19:34 |
| RST38h | slono: yes | 19:34 |
| NooBmonk3y | lol mgedmin phone calls arent that bad, it works, tis all i need :P | 19:34 |
| derf | I have a Droid 2, which has a keyboard, and is smaller than an N900. | 19:34 |
| derf | I don't use it very much, for anything. | 19:34 |
| RST38h | why? | 19:34 |
| slonopotamus | mgedmin, it's weird for calling, yep :) | 19:34 |
| lardman | derf: what version of android does that have? | 19:34 |
| derf | lardman: 2.3? | 19:35 |
| slonopotamus | derf, n8x0 size was best i'd like | 19:35 |
| lardman | latest? 2.2 | 19:35 |
| derf | It said it upgraded to 2.3 of _something_ last week. | 19:35 |
| RST38h | mgedmin: I use N900 for phone calls on daily basis.It is ok. | 19:35 |
| derf | I couldn't actually find a 2.3 devkit, so I honsetly have no idea. | 19:35 |
| mgedmin | different people have different tolerances | 19:35 |
| mgedmin | I can't stand my computers making me wait | 19:35 |
| derf | I am fairly new to Android development. | 19:36 |
| mgedmin | 2 seconds to display "hey, someone is calling"? | 19:36 |
| RST38h | mgedmin: more usable with headphones+mike, but ok alone as well | 19:36 |
| lardman | One of my friends just got an HTC Touch HD running Android, nice big screen, but no kb (and Android which is not ideal as everything has been done for you) | 19:36 |
| mgedmin | if it has more ram and didn't use swap, maybe it'd work better | 19:36 |
| mgedmin | or if I used fewer apps | 19:36 |
| mgedmin | s/has/had/ | 19:36 |
| slonopotamus | hmm, $350? i think i'm buying openpandora :P | 19:37 |
| RST38h | mgedmin: you have not tweaked swappines or installed Mohammad's hildon-desktop? | 19:37 |
| NooBmonk3y | where is MohammadAG when you need him :( | 19:37 |
| mgedmin | RST38h, no | 19:37 |
| mgedmin | I was considering Mohammad's updates | 19:37 |
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| slonopotamus | considering Mohammad's updates slows down n900? | 19:38 |
| NooBmonk3y | really? | 19:38 |
| NooBmonk3y | mine is quit enippy now :) | 19:38 |
| lardman | derf: is that what you're doing these days - Android stuff? | 19:38 |
| RST38h | mgedmin: well, then you only have yourself to blame | 19:38 |
| RST38h | mgedmin: for that 2 sec delay that is | 19:38 |
| slonopotamus | RST38h, have one? | 19:38 |
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| RST38h | slono: What? Pandora? Of course not, I do not buy vaporware | 19:38 |
| derf | lardman: Well, I'm working for Mozilla, and I hear we want to ship a browser for those devices... | 19:39 |
| mgedmin | given my track record, I'm sure I can run it into the ground no matter what sw tweaks you try to push on me | 19:39 |
| lardman | derf: oh right, cool :) | 19:39 |
| derf | Honestly, I got them to buy me one because I kept breaking things on Android because I was only testing on my N900. | 19:39 |
| RST38h | slono: Mohammad's hildon-desktop does not slow anything down | 19:39 |
| derf | And Android apparently works nothing like a normal Linux system. | 19:40 |
| slonopotamus | rst: i didn't say it does | 19:40 |
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| slonopotamus | Vaporware is a word used to describe products, usually computer hardware or software, that were not released on the date announced by their developer, or that were announced months or years before their release. Application of the word usually implies a negative opinion of a product, and pessimistic uncertainty that it will eventually be released. | 19:41 |
| mgedmin | ah, so they handed out free laptops at the meego conference | 19:42 |
| derf | I will say Android's audio API makes PulseAudio on the N900 look good :). | 19:42 |
| slonopotamus | RST38h, but... according to their site, it _was_ released | 19:42 |
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| lardman | derf: Whenever I play with my wife's phone I think how nicely it works - reasonably quick and well integrated and I think that if Maemo were like that we'd have nothing to do | 19:43 |
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| RST38h | slono: Does not matter any more, it is vaporware :) | 19:43 |
| derf | lardman: It's okay. I've got a lot of things to do already. | 19:43 |
| trumee | Robot101: ping | 19:44 |
| crashanddie_ | where's Kathy? | 19:44 |
| crashanddie_ | lardman: nice to see you online so much again. What happened? | 19:44 |
| RST38h | lardman: We still have nothing to do, it is up to Nokia who does no care | 19:44 |
| lardman | derf: I also feel jealous of the Google integration and data backend | 19:44 |
| lardman | crashanddie_: am trying to get some stuff finished off before I head to India, and I made sure I was about to watch the conf online | 19:44 |
| lardman | RST38h: yeah | 19:44 |
| derf | I don't. I don't use most of those services, and I resent having to create a Gmail account just to _look_ at the list of installable applications. | 19:45 |
| RST38h | lardman: Isn't Maemo better integrated with servicesthough? Not just google, unified messaging and address book, etc | 19:45 |
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| lardman | I like the location and data services, though when roaming I think it would be pretty useless | 19:45 |
| derf | I miss having maps that work without an internet connection. | 19:46 |
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| lardman | RST38h: yes in that way, but the provision of data (location data, data about locations and things there) is pretty cool | 19:46 |
| lardman | yeah that would be a major pita | 19:46 |
| derf | (well, I don't miss having them... I carry an N810 around when I'm travelling) | 19:46 |
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| trumee | lardman: India, holiday? | 19:46 |
| lardman | though apparently the HTC phones have a built-in map app that doesn't use a connection, so there must be some available | 19:46 |
| lardman | trumee: work | 19:46 |
| trumee | lardman: whereabouts? | 19:47 |
| lardman | Delhi | 19:47 |
| trumee | lardman: Is that Nokia? | 19:47 |
| lardman | no no, I work at University on thermography | 19:47 |
| derf | I will say, though, that Android's e-mail client actually _works_ with my mailboxes. | 19:47 |
| trumee | lardman: Delhi must be good weather these days. | 19:47 |
| lardman | trumee: probably better than here atm (~6C + rain)! | 19:48 |
| derf | The UI is prett poor, because it still thinks that people only have one Inbox. | 19:48 |
| derf | *pretty | 19:48 |
| mgedmin | derf, does it have threading? | 19:48 |
| derf | But it has a brilliant solution for dealing with folders with 20,000 messages in them. | 19:48 |
| lardman | derf: most phones work better with email than the N900, even the 2 yo Windows Mobile ones | 19:48 |
| mgedmin | (or conversations, given that this is google, after all) | 19:48 |
| derf | It doesn't download them all. | 19:48 |
| trumee | lardman: You can get a 3g sim in Delhi now. | 19:49 |
| derf | mgedmin: If it does, I disabled it. | 19:49 |
| lardman | yes, but it just grows the list doesn't it, I wonder what happens if you keep scrolling down | 19:49 |
| derf | I hate threading. | 19:49 |
| mgedmin | hm | 19:49 |
| lardman | trumee: I'll have wifi anyway but thanks | 19:49 |
| mgedmin | I hate inermixed mailing list coversations on high-volume lists, where I'm interested in just a few threadas | 19:49 |
| derf | I try not to subcribe to high-volume lists. | 19:50 |
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| mgedmin | that's a good idea | 19:50 |
| * mgedmin has terminal curiosity | 19:50 | |
| mgedmin | 4 hours a day reading blogs/lists | 19:51 |
| mgedmin | leaves little time for food + sleep | 19:51 |
| mgedmin | or work, for that matter | 19:51 |
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| trumee | lardman:iit delhi ? | 19:52 |
| RST38h | terrible | 19:52 |
| RST38h | find a different subject:) | 19:52 |
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| lardman | trumee: yeah hotel | 19:53 |
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| derf | mgedmin: Now that I look, there don't seem to be any threading options at all. | 19:53 |
| trumee | Are the videos from meego conference available? | 19:53 |
| lardman | yes | 19:53 |
| mgedmin | thanks for taking the time to look | 19:54 |
| mgedmin | derf++ | 19:54 |
| trumee | lardman: They have a nice campus. I have there a few times. | 19:54 |
| trumee | *been | 19:54 |
| wmarone | hm | 19:54 |
| wmarone | magnet on my kickstand failed | 19:54 |
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| RST38h | derf: This is solved by adding filters to GMail, to place each mailing list into its own tag/folder | 19:57 |
| derf | RST38h: Well, I use procmail. | 19:57 |
| derf | But yes. | 19:57 |
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| RST38h | derf:same shit, minus google | 19:57 |
| derf | See comments above about UIs that still think everyone just has one global Inbox. | 19:57 |
| * RST38h just hates mailing lists. Always reading them online. | 19:58 | |
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| RST38h | Absolutely not interested in getting emails from some completely random people discussing random, uninteresting things | 19:58 |
| merlin1991 | hey I need quick git wizardry, I need to move my current head into a new branch, I failed to branch before commiting :$ | 19:59 |
| derf | Well, that's why I try not to subscribe to high-volume lists. | 19:59 |
| derf | The few lists I'm on, I generally know all of the people involved, and am probably working with them on something specific. | 20:00 |
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| derf | I agree, for everything else there's http archives. | 20:00 |
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| lardman | cu later chaps, have a meeting to get to | 20:06 |
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| SpeedEvil | alterego: pasties | 20:08 |
| SpeedEvil | oops | 20:08 |
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| alterego | SpeedEvil: ? :P | 20:09 |
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| Robot101 | trumee: pong | 20:12 |
| trumee | Robot101: did you get any response from vox corp? | 20:12 |
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| Robot101 | trumee: no :/ | 20:13 |
| trumee | Robot101: Phil was moving location so guess he is quite busy this week. | 20:13 |
| trumee | Robot101: I hope you will get a response soon. | 20:14 |
| NooBmonk3y | alterego, !! :) | 20:16 |
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| alterego | NooBmonk3y: now what?! | 20:17 |
| pupnik_ | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qLL-UqoHiI http://www.fudgie.org/gltrail.html "View real-time relations and activities from any logfile on any server with SSH, in an entertaining way." | 20:17 |
| NooBmonk3y | hehe you can guess :P | 20:18 |
| NooBmonk3y | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=65781 | 20:18 |
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| alterego | Heh, I'll look at it in a second. | 20:18 |
| NooBmonk3y | thankee :) | 20:19 |
| NooBmonk3y | still packaging issues :P | 20:19 |
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| alterego | Yeah noticed, that's what I meant by I'll have a look in a minute ;) | 20:20 |
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| alterego | I'm guessing it's something simple like it's not copying the desktop file. | 20:20 |
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| NooBmonk3y | yup i think so :p | 20:21 |
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| alterego | Wow, your package is well screwed | 20:26 |
| janne123 | hello, i have very big and annoying trouble with my n900 | 20:26 |
| janne123 | i lost almost all apps in menu:) | 20:26 |
| NooBmonk3y | lol alterego :P | 20:26 |
| NooBmonk3y | why thank you | 20:26 |
| janne123 | i just tried change order and now i dont find them | 20:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer | janne123: probably hildon app starter messed up the desktop files on sorting them | 20:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | and now it fails to build the menu when it runs into a borked .desktop | 20:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer | actually there's one file which holds sort order, alas I can't recall the name right now | 20:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | you can access xterm? | 20:33 |
| RST38h | Anyone seen wazd? | 20:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | (try ctrl-shift-x) | 20:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~seen wazd | 20:35 |
| alterego | NooBmonk3y: where did you get your .pro file from btw? | 20:35 |
| NooBmonk3y | qt creator | 20:35 |
| infobot | wazd <~chatzilla@86.43.14.84> was last seen on IRC in channel #meego, 2d 2h 40m 11s ago, saying: 'I even was able to call via skype'. | 20:35 |
| janne123 | DocScrutinizer, crap, i lost x-term too:D | 20:38 |
| janne123 | wait a minute... | 20:38 |
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| janne123 | \o/ | 20:39 |
| janne123 | it works, it was just took little bit time | 20:39 |
| janne123 | and what i write to x-term? | 20:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | cat /etc/xdg/menus/hildon.menu | 20:40 |
| alterego | NooBmonk3y: think I've fixed it. | 20:40 |
| NooBmonk3y | ooo wow! | 20:40 |
| janne123 | should i boot n900 now? | 20:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | nope, that won't have fixed anything yet :-D | 20:42 |
| alterego | Just checking it on my device. | 20:42 |
| NooBmonk3y | double yay! | 20:42 |
| janne123 | what i will do next?:) | 20:42 |
| alterego | NooBmonk3y: worked | 20:43 |
| NooBmonk3y | yayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy! | 20:43 |
| NooBmonk3y | my life is complete lol | 20:43 |
| alterego | Program doesn't launch though | 20:43 |
| alterego | I know why actually. | 20:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | pastebin that file, a ls -l /usr/share/applications/hildon, and maybe a screenshot of your broken menu. Then get some advice | 20:43 |
| alterego | I optified your package .. | 20:44 |
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| NooBmonk3y | ooo, i have the optify file in there? | 20:44 |
| NooBmonk3y | so i assumed the autobuilder optifies it? | 20:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | janne123: also you could try the following cmd: touch /usr/share/applications/hildon/xxx.desktop | 20:44 |
| janne123 | DocScrutinizer, i have to write all because i use irc on pc and not in n900 | 20:44 |
| alterego | Yeah, don't need that anymore, done the proper way. | 20:44 |
| NooBmonk3y | lol | 20:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | I said pastebin, not paste-here | 20:45 |
| mece | NooBmonk3y: what dod you do? | 20:45 |
| janne123 | :D | 20:45 |
| mece | s/dod/did/ | 20:45 |
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| infobot | mece meant: NooBmonk3y: what did you do? | 20:45 |
| NooBmonk3y | mece, probably more, what i didnt do right :P | 20:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | janne123: you're using apmefo? | 20:45 |
| mece | NooBmonk3y, well, you're cheering... | 20:45 |
| NooBmonk3y | oh alterego fixed my packaging issue :p | 20:45 |
| mece | NooBmonk3y, what are you packaging? | 20:46 |
| NooBmonk3y | maecount - a little multiple counter for revdKathy | 20:46 |
| alterego | Okay, 2nd test ;) | 20:46 |
| NooBmonk3y | to help her knitting :p | 20:46 |
| alterego | Hah | 20:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer | lol | 20:46 |
| * NooBmonk3y trouts frals | 20:46 | |
| alterego | Okay, worked that time ;) | 20:46 |
| NooBmonk3y | yay yay! | 20:46 |
| * frals slaps NooBmonk3y around a bit with a large trout | 20:47 | |
| NooBmonk3y | thats better | 20:47 |
| RST38h | Anyone knows the exact path to sqlite database containingtheaddress book? | 20:47 |
| alterego | Now I'm not going to give it to you and see how long it takes you to fix it yourself :P | 20:47 |
| NooBmonk3y | sod! | 20:47 |
| NooBmonk3y | or at least how long it takes for me to break it ;) | 20:48 |
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| alterego | NooBmonk3y: http://stage.rubyx.co.uk/maecount_0.8.0.tar.gz | 20:48 |
| janne123 | DocScrutinizer, i dont use apmefo, i dont know what it is:) | 20:49 |
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| NooBmonk3y | 0.8.0? | 20:49 |
| NooBmonk3y | lol | 20:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | you tried the cmd suggested? | 20:49 |
| alterego | That's the version number you gave me .. | 20:49 |
| BCMM | what impact do live screensavers have on battery life? does it try to do anything clever like do nothing when a window is covering it or the screen is locked? | 20:50 |
| NooBmonk3y | thought i gave you 0.8.3? lol | 20:50 |
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| alterego | BCMM: it does yes | 20:50 |
| BCMM | does it, in fact, do both of those? | 20:50 |
| alterego | Oh wait, that's the version you gave me the otherday .. | 20:50 |
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| alterego | Are there many actual code changes? | 20:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | RST38h: berkeley db | 20:50 |
| janne123 | i wrote this: touch /usr/share/applications/hildon/xxx.desktop and it says just no such file | 20:51 |
| RST38h | Doc: Good | 20:51 |
| NooBmonk3y | alterego, just checked, yup - was 0.8.3 ilinked, random! | 20:51 |
| RST38h | Doc: Remember the path? | 20:51 |
| NooBmonk3y | alterego, naaaa | 20:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | nope, sorry RST38h | 20:51 |
| alterego | NooBmonk3y: yeah, couldn't be bothered to download it again, so I just used the version I downloaded the other day ;) | 20:52 |
| alterego | Sorreh | 20:52 |
| NooBmonk3y | oh lol! | 20:52 |
| NooBmonk3y | np, will go and change it to 0.8.4 to upload lol | 20:52 |
| alterego | Hah | 20:52 |
| alterego | As long as there weren't any source changes that should be fine ;) | 20:52 |
| alterego | You'll need to update the changelog file too. | 20:52 |
| NooBmonk3y | no, but the current packaged version is 0.8.3 in devel | 20:52 |
| NooBmonk3y | if i upload 0.8.0 will it overrite? | 20:53 |
| alterego | Yeah | 20:53 |
| alterego | No, | 20:53 |
| alterego | It wont work :) | 20:53 |
| NooBmonk3y | lol so i need 0.8.4 ;) | 20:53 |
| NooBmonk3y | okies brb! | 20:53 |
| alterego | Indeed, but you'll want to update the debian/changelog file to reflect the changes in the previous version as well as this one. | 20:53 |
| janne123 | im confused, what i can do? i see only, settings, maps, ovi and some other apps but example system and games directory is missing | 20:54 |
| janne123 | and shortcuts doesn't work if app is missing | 20:54 |
| NooBmonk3y | yup will try too lol | 20:55 |
| NooBmonk3y | meh wont build in qt :| | 20:55 |
| alterego | What's the error? | 20:55 |
| NooBmonk3y | :: error: Packaging Error: Could not copy '/media/FreeAgent Drive/Maecount/Project/MaeCount-build-maemo/maecount' to '/media/FreeAgent Drive/Maecount/Project/MaeCount-build-maemo/debian/maecount//usr/local/bin/MaeCount'. | 20:56 |
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| alterego | What the freak are you doing :P | 20:57 |
| NooBmonk3y | just clicking build in QT creator :) | 20:57 |
| NooBmonk3y | then i will test it on my device | 20:58 |
| alterego | Oh, erm, do a clean first. | 20:58 |
| NooBmonk3y | then i will package it lol | 20:58 |
| NooBmonk3y | i did :| | 20:58 |
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| alterego | You've done something wrong, because /usr/local/bin is wrong. | 20:58 |
| janne123 | anyone has something idea to my problem? | 20:59 |
| NooBmonk3y | lol | 20:59 |
| NooBmonk3y | just turned of shadow build | 20:59 |
| NooBmonk3y | worked fine | 20:59 |
| NooBmonk3y | oh no | 20:59 |
| NooBmonk3y | it didnt | 20:59 |
| alterego | Yeah, that'd probably work :) | 20:59 |
| NooBmonk3y | feck | 20:59 |
| NooBmonk3y | Skipping packaging step works though! | 20:59 |
| alterego | Heh | 20:59 |
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| alterego | Weird, wonder why it works for me. | 21:00 |
| alterego | Oh, I'm building it directly with madde, didn't use Qt Creator to build | 21:00 |
| alterego | Ang on | 21:00 |
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| NooBmonk3y | lol | 21:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | janne123: you said the command I told you returned error "no such file". Which command exactly did you use? | 21:01 |
| NooBmonk3y | i must be doing this odd | 21:01 |
| NooBmonk3y | i use qt to build and deploy to device | 21:01 |
| NooBmonk3y | then i actually use madde to package it for autobuilder | 21:01 |
| NooBmonk3y | which is where i probably go wrong | 21:01 |
| frals | dpkg-buildpackage in sb! | 21:01 |
| NooBmonk3y | sb? | 21:01 |
| alterego | scratchbox | 21:01 |
| NooBmonk3y | dont have scratchbox | 21:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | meh, too much idle time | 21:01 |
| alterego | Don't worry about it. | 21:02 |
| NooBmonk3y | :p trying not too | 21:02 |
| alterego | NooBmonk3y: delete the .pro.user file and reopen the project. | 21:02 |
| janne123 | DocScrutinizer, say me again what i have to write | 21:03 |
| alterego | I think the problem is it got confused about our different toolchains. | 21:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | sorry I'm too busy to do this "convo to mars" (RTT >200s) | 21:03 |
| NooBmonk3y | oh meh | 21:03 |
| NooBmonk3y | now it wont even build in madde... rules file error | 21:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | command was : touch /usr/share/applications/hildon/xxx.desktop | 21:04 |
| alterego | Interesting .. | 21:04 |
| alterego | What are you doing :P | 21:04 |
| NooBmonk3y | alterego, now you know why i'm so confused :P | 21:04 |
| NooBmonk3y | mad dpkg-buildpackage | 21:04 |
| NooBmonk3y | ahh i know why | 21:07 |
| NooBmonk3y | Can't exec "debian/rules": Permission denied at /home/greg/NokiaQtSDK/Maemo/4.6.2/madbin/dpkg-buildpackage line 474. | 21:07 |
| alterego | chmod +x :P | 21:07 |
| janne123 | permission denied, i will try with root... | 21:07 |
| alterego | Except, you're buidling everything off of a fat formatted external drive are you not .. | 21:08 |
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| NooBmonk3y | alterego, i move it to my main drive to build | 21:09 |
| janne123 | weird, nothing was happened. i can write now something else but it didnt do anything, i think | 21:09 |
| alterego | Okay, cool. | 21:09 |
| NooBmonk3y | the qt project etc builds there, but i move it away when i mad it | 21:09 |
| alterego | I'd untarr it on your main drive tbh | 21:09 |
| NooBmonk3y | i did :0 | 21:09 |
| alterego | That way it'll keep all your permissions. | 21:09 |
| NooBmonk3y | anyway! | 21:09 |
| NooBmonk3y | tis in autobuilder now! | 21:09 |
| alterego | Oh, m'kay | 21:09 |
| NooBmonk3y | lol! | 21:10 |
| javispedro | alterego: btw, we had a unconference session about meego gtk/hildon -- watch MLs for notes in the near future | 21:10 |
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| NooBmonk3y | https://garage.maemo.org/pipermail/extras-cauldron-builds/2010-November/030492.html - python wtf! | 21:10 |
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| NooBmonk3y | that error message makes no sense to me :| | 21:11 |
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| alterego | NooBmonk3y: auto builder is written in Python | 21:12 |
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| NooBmonk3y | ohhhhhhhh | 21:12 |
| alterego | So it's an error with autobuilder ;) | 21:12 |
| janne123 | DocScrutinizer, something new idea? | 21:13 |
| NooBmonk3y | :| | 21:13 |
| NooBmonk3y | lol | 21:13 |
| NooBmonk3y | error with autobuilder ebcause of maecount? or just an autobuilder error? | 21:13 |
| NooBmonk3y | try again? | 21:13 |
| alterego | Not sure | 21:14 |
| alterego | Probably something with your packge is making it choke. | 21:14 |
| alterego | Out of my league though ;) | 21:14 |
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| alterego | Oh, I see. | 21:14 |
| NooBmonk3y | :| | 21:15 |
| alterego | No rule to make target `/home/greg/NokiaQtSDK/Maemo/4.6.2/sysroots/fremantle-arm-sysroot-20.2010.36-2-slim/usr/share/qt4/mkspecs/linux-g++-maemo5/qmake.conf', needed by `Makefile'. Stop. | 21:15 |
| alterego | Heh | 21:15 |
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| NooBmonk3y | ok this one failed | 21:15 |
| NooBmonk3y | https://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/maecount_0.8.4/armel.build.log.FAILED.txt | 21:15 |
| * Jef91 muters something about the maemo forums sucking | 21:16 | |
| Jef91 | "Fatal error: Allowed memory size of 67108864 bytes exhausted (tried to allocate 35 bytes) in /home/tabtalk/public_html/forums/search.php on line 1160" | 21:16 |
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| alterego | NooBmonk3y: yeah, just pasted the error. | 21:16 |
| NooBmonk3y | ?!?! | 21:16 |
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| alterego | Recognise it? | 21:16 |
| NooBmonk3y | well yeah | 21:16 |
| NooBmonk3y | but no idea what autobuilder is doing with my files structure ;) | 21:16 |
| alterego | ls | 21:17 |
| alterego | Well, it's in your Makefile | 21:17 |
| alterego | Did you upload with the Makefile? | 21:17 |
| NooBmonk3y | yeah i think so | 21:17 |
| NooBmonk3y | should i not? | 21:17 |
| frals | you shouldnt | 21:17 |
| frals | :D | 21:17 |
| alterego | Well, you shouldn't :P | 21:17 |
| NooBmonk3y | lol well, theres no a-z guide on this lol | 21:17 |
| alterego | make distclean | 21:17 |
| alterego | before you generate the source packages. | 21:18 |
| alterego | using dpkg-buildpackage -sa whatever blah blah :) | 21:18 |
| NooBmonk3y | lol! | 21:19 |
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| NooBmonk3y | now it wont build :p | 21:19 |
| NooBmonk3y | dpkg-buildpackage: failure: debian/rules clean gave error exit status 2 | 21:19 |
| * alterego sighs | 21:19 | |
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| NooBmonk3y | erroring with one of these lines i think | 21:21 |
| NooBmonk3y | $(MAKE) clean | 21:21 |
| NooBmonk3y | dh_clean | 21:21 |
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| Macer | hm | 21:22 |
| Macer | this fm trans sucks | 21:22 |
| Macer | and i dont think the booster app does anything | 21:22 |
| BCMM | i've heard it doesn't on 1.3 | 21:22 |
| BCMM | for stupid reasons | 21:22 |
| Macer | it has like a range of like 6" :) | 21:22 |
| Macer | yeah | 21:23 |
| BCMM | but someone has a patch to make boost work again in 1.3 | 21:23 |
| alterego | Hrm, think that one should be commented out. | 21:23 |
| Macer | well. it is now a waste lol | 21:23 |
| BCMM | i'll just check my logs | 21:23 |
| Macer | awesome | 21:23 |
| NooBmonk3y | lol well your rules file was hugely different to mine :| | 21:23 |
| Macer | i need it to be boosted | 21:23 |
| pupnik_ | BCMM: what you doin with libboost | 21:23 |
| Macer | hm... what about a2dp and a bt head unit? | 21:23 |
| BCMM | pupnik_: ? | 21:23 |
| Macer | would that work? | 21:23 |
| pupnik_ | nm | 21:23 |
| alterego | Was it? | 21:24 |
| alterego | Heh | 21:24 |
| Macer | i never tried a2dp stuff on my n900 | 21:24 |
| alterego | uhoh | 21:24 |
| Macer | anybody here use it at all? | 21:24 |
| alterego | This is why I do everything manually. | 21:24 |
| pupnik_ | Macer: in areas with less FM density, i think it is usable | 21:25 |
| BCMM | Macer: MohammadAG linked me to http://mohammadag.xceleo.org/public/maemo/PR1.3/fmtx-si4713.ko | 21:25 |
| Surfa | Macer, yes, many people | 21:25 |
| Macer | alterego: you can boost it manually? :) | 21:25 |
| BCMM | i haven't tested transmission since then | 21:25 |
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| alterego | Macer: no was talking about our Qt packaging problem that NooBmonk3y is suffering. | 21:25 |
| Macer | lol | 21:26 |
| NooBmonk3y | :p | 21:26 |
| NooBmonk3y | you get used to it in here ;) | 21:26 |
| Macer | isnt there always a maemo pkging problem? :) | 21:26 |
| NooBmonk3y | yup! | 21:26 |
| BCMM | Macer: from what mohammed said, it's not just the boost app, the sysfs interface is disable somehow in 1.3 | 21:27 |
| alterego | Interesting. | 21:27 |
| BCMM | i think the link is the driver from 1.2, rebuild with 1.3 kernel headers | 21:27 |
| NooBmonk3y | meh | 21:27 |
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| Macer | BCMM: well. hopefully i can figure out how to get the booster working | 21:27 |
| NooBmonk3y | gone from a packaged app with no menu launcher, to an app that wont package lol | 21:28 |
| Macer | the fm trans is horrible right now in my car | 21:28 |
| BCMM | Macer: did you see the link? | 21:28 |
| Macer | the link was onnly the file | 21:28 |
| Macer | ;) i downloaded it | 21:28 |
| BCMM | oh, sorry | 21:28 |
| BCMM | you replace your existing fmtx-si4713.ko with this one | 21:28 |
| Macer | so does the boost app work with this file ? | 21:29 |
| mece | BCMM, what does it do? | 21:29 |
| Macer | right now it just looks like it crashes heh | 21:29 |
| SpeedEvil | http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_FM_Radio_Transmitter#Typical_Range | 21:29 |
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| BCMM | mece: you're best off asking MohammadAG yourself, but Turski said "it's PR1.2 module build with PR1.3 headers, so it allow use of boost" | 21:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer | paul spotted a nasty lock mechanism in pr1.3 FMTX sysnode/kerneldriver, And somebody removed it, and Mohamad is publishing the .ko that has it removed | 21:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer | or was it shadowjk who spotted it first? can't recall | 21:30 |
| BCMM | apparently the 1.3 fmtx module tries to disable changing tx power | 21:30 |
| mece | wow.. evil. | 21:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | not apparently, and not tries | 21:30 |
| SpeedEvil | Oooh. | 21:30 |
| ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer, or PaulFertser | 21:31 |
| SpeedEvil | One use for the dummy case. | 21:31 |
| BCMM | oh, somebody removed it? i thought it was just a matter of recompiling the module from 1.2 for 1.3's kernel? | 21:31 |
| SpeedEvil | Determine drill-points or other means - to connect an external fmtx ant | 21:31 |
| BCMM | DocScrutinizer: by "tries", i mean it sometimes gets confused and does the wrong thing | 21:31 |
| ShadowJK | One nice side-effect of pr1.3 fmtx powelock: power isn't reduced when i connect carcharger | 21:31 |
| ShadowJK | :) | 21:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | sure, it locks to very first level it's set to | 21:32 |
| Macer | BCMM: ok. i replaced it | 21:32 |
| Macer | does turning on the trans load the module? | 21:32 |
| BCMM | hmm | 21:32 |
| mece | DocScrutinizer, well how does one go and change the first level it's set to then? | 21:32 |
| BCMM | Macer: lsmod | 21:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | BCMM: well reverting the PR1.3 patch or using the pr1.2 version is roundavout the same | 21:32 |
| BCMM | Macer: i guess it's a bit late to do the "you'll have to reflash if you do anything wrong in that dir" thing... | 21:33 |
| BCMM | so pretend i told you taht first | 21:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | mece: not at all, that's the idea | 21:33 |
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| BCMM | Macer: you can see if the fmtx module is loaded with lsmod | 21:33 |
| mece | DocScrutinizer, well when was it first set? | 21:33 |
| BCMM | Macer: you may need to rmmod/modprobe it, to load the new version | 21:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | mece: though you can rmmod+insmod and again set it 'first time' | 21:33 |
| Macer | yeah | 21:33 |
| Macer | i do ;) | 21:33 |
| BCMM | tbh, you could also just reboot | 21:33 |
| Macer | yeah. think that would be easier | 21:34 |
| mece | DocScrutinizer, hmm? So why do we need a patch? | 21:34 |
| Macer | ;) removing it would make me reload like 10 modules heh | 21:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | because we don't like that shit | 21:34 |
| Macer | bbl | 21:34 |
| Afteris | n900 support 32gbmicrosd? | 21:34 |
| BCMM | Macer: i haven't had a chance to test it on mine, i'd be interested to know if it makes a difference to you | 21:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | and it breaks things | 21:35 |
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| BCMM | Macer: i bunch of stuff depends on fmtx? | 21:35 |
| mece | DocScrutinizer, naturally, but if we just get it to "first" set it to maximum, then we're set, aren't we? | 21:35 |
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| DocScrutinizer | maybe, yes | 21:35 |
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| BCMM | any idea why it (used to) break FMTX when you plug in USB? | 21:36 |
| Afteris | n900 support 32gb microsd? | 21:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer | it just leveled down | 21:36 |
| BCMM | Afteris: dunno | 21:36 |
| NooBmonk3y | alterego, use my rules file, think it is working | 21:36 |
| BCMM | DocScrutinizer: why? | 21:36 |
| mece | Afteris, probably | 21:36 |
| NooBmonk3y | no instant fail anyway | 21:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | cable == antenna == boost | 21:36 |
| Afteris | :) | 21:36 |
| NooBmonk3y | although the date/time of package and author name looks fecekd lol | 21:36 |
| NooBmonk3y | oh no, failed | 21:37 |
| Macer | hm | 21:37 |
| mece | where is it that you can see what the value is currently again? | 21:37 |
| Macer | is fm boost supposed to just open and close | 21:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | BCMM: so short answer: to comply with FCC | 21:38 |
| mece | Macer, yes. | 21:38 |
| mece | it just writes a value | 21:38 |
| Macer | how do i know if it is working? | 21:38 |
| mece | cat the value | 21:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | lol | 21:38 |
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| Macer | mece: from where? | 21:38 |
| BCMM | DocScrutinizer: i thought it might be something like that. does it do the same if you plug in headphones? | 21:38 |
| mece | Macer, that's what I asked... | 21:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | if you don't notice a diff it's either not working or you don't need it | 21:38 |
| Macer | mece: lol | 21:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | BCMM: yes | 21:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | BCMM: even worse iirc | 21:39 |
| Macer | BCMM: do you know how to check if the fm booster is working? | 21:39 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I think headset & FMTX are mutually exclusive | 21:39 |
| BCMM | Macer: walk away from radio till it gets a bit crackly | 21:39 |
| BCMM | then boost | 21:39 |
| alterego | Heh | 21:39 |
| Macer | BCMM: lol | 21:39 |
| Macer | does running the boost twice turn it down? | 21:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | Macer: lol | 21:39 |
| Macer | or does it always stay up? | 21:39 |
| Macer | until reboot | 21:40 |
| NooBmonk3y | i think i just need to start again :P | 21:40 |
| SpeedEvil | In a contended environment, with boost, 5m is a _extremely_ optimistic range. | 21:40 |
| BCMM | so if you could trick it into FMTX'ing with a cable in the headphones socket, could you increase your range? | 21:40 |
| alterego | I've actually got an RX sniffer probe for my multimeter | 21:40 |
| BCMM | Macer: well, you could check that by looking at the sysfs interface in xterm | 21:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | BCMM: yes | 21:40 |
| Macer | DocScrutinizer: going to run my pirate station from my n900 | 21:40 |
| SpeedEvil | BCMM: the filters to make the headphones socket an efficient reciever tend to make it an inefficient radiator. | 21:40 |
| Macer | BCMM: i dont know where it keeps the value | 21:40 |
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| SpeedEvil | IME at least | 21:41 |
| Macer | :) | 21:41 |
| BCMM | Macer: me neither, i'm looking it up | 21:41 |
| Macer | lol | 21:41 |
| johnsq | Hi | 21:41 |
| Macer | it would be nice to have a boost widget heh | 21:41 |
| SpeedEvil | alterego: will it do nanowats though. | 21:41 |
| Macer | let me test it on my car | 21:41 |
| alterego | Heh | 21:41 |
| Macer | SpeedEvil: no 20W boost? | 21:41 |
| SpeedEvil | If the car melts, you've turned it up too high. | 21:41 |
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| BCMM | cat /sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-2/2-0063/power_level | 21:42 |
| BCMM | i think | 21:42 |
| BCMM | you can also echo stuff > that to set the power | 21:42 |
| * DocScrutinizer powers up MTHELs to melt Macer's car | 21:42 | |
| Macer | hm | 21:42 |
| Macer | 118 | 21:42 |
| BCMM | (if your kernel isn't breaking it for you) | 21:42 |
| Macer | heh | 21:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | BCMM: there's also a power_max iirc | 21:43 |
| janne123 | DocScrutinizer, hello again and do u have any help with my problem now?:) | 21:43 |
| BCMM | i just ran boost, and it changed it from 113 to 118 | 21:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | sorry, you're too slow, I can't keep that timespan of attention | 21:44 |
| SpeedEvil | 118 is the hardware max. | 21:44 |
| Macer | hm | 21:44 |
| Macer | what is the measurement? | 21:44 |
| Macer | nW? :) | 21:44 |
| Macer | let me test it in the car | 21:44 |
| BCMM | SpeedEvil: what happens if you attempt to set it higher than 118? | 21:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | bogus I guess | 21:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | BCMM: rumour has it it becomes instable | 21:45 |
| Macer | BCMM: martians attack and you screw up the space station | 21:45 |
| * BCMM considers it | 21:45 | |
| Macer | BCMM: let me know what happens lol | 21:45 |
| BCMM | hmm actually these martians are pretty cool | 21:46 |
| Macer | going to the car now to test | 21:46 |
| alterego | Ffs, I'm just gonna do this using QPainter, can't be arsed with freakin' layouts. | 21:46 |
| BCMM | so is there some sort of unofficial 1.3 changelog somewhere? | 21:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | BCMM: on wiki there's a link to h-e-n pr1.3 changelog | 21:47 |
| BCMM | that could've told me that fmtx had been nerfed before i went on a long car journey? | 21:47 |
| janne123 | i need help, i have nokia n900 with maemo 5 1.3, i tried change places of apps in menu and somehow i lost most of apps and i see only browser, ovi etc, what to do? | 21:47 |
| BCMM | DocScrutinizer: where on the wiki? | 21:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | pr1.3? | 21:48 |
| BCMM | DocScrutinizer: do you mean this? https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/ggit/browse.php/?p=h-e-n;a=commitdiff;h=a2abd51199b9e61542a24ae9086ac1c6263106c4#patch9 | 21:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | looks like | 21:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | didn't do a md5sum to verify | 21:49 |
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| BCMM | heh | 21:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's just kernel patches | 21:50 |
| Macer | wow | 21:50 |
| Macer | huge difference | 21:50 |
| mece | Macer, what is? | 21:50 |
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| BCMM | so were kernel patches the bulk of 1.3's changes? | 21:50 |
| Macer | the fm boosting in my car | 21:50 |
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| BCMM | Macer: awesome | 21:51 |
| Macer | lol.. BCMM thanks | 21:51 |
| BCMM | i want to test mine now | 21:51 |
| Macer | that helped a ton | 21:51 |
| Macer | lol | 21:51 |
| BCMM | maybe it will finally work in my girlfriend's car | 21:51 |
| BCMM | it has this stupid radio | 21:51 |
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| BCMM | which will play the n900's channel for a bit | 21:51 |
| BCMM | and then randomly start seeking for another station even though it's load and clear | 21:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | this stupid radio with antenna outside and metal coated windows? :-P | 21:52 |
| BCMM | ^loud | 21:52 |
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| mece | Macer, so you installed the patch first. | 21:52 |
| Macer | well.. my car is working like 10x better now. thanks a ton | 21:52 |
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| Macer | mece: yes | 21:52 |
| Macer | patched and reboot | 21:52 |
| Macer | ran fm boost | 21:53 |
| mece | apparently no write permissions to /sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-2/2-0063/power_level without it. | 21:53 |
| BCMM | i mean presumably car radios have some sort of way of deciding that that transmitter is getting a bit distant and it should try to retune | 21:53 |
| mece | hm | 21:53 |
| Macer | and now it sounds like a cd heh | 21:53 |
| Macer | usr rootsh | 21:53 |
| Macer | use | 21:53 |
| BCMM | but that radio does it when hte n900 is coming through perfectly | 21:53 |
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| BCMM | it needs a "just trust me on this" button | 21:53 |
| mece | Macer, no I meant without the patch | 21:53 |
| Macer | oh | 21:53 |
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| mece | so.. how about unload module, set value, load module. or something.. | 21:54 |
| Macer | dunno. just tried it with the patch and it is a beast now lol | 21:54 |
| Macer | no crackle | 21:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | the wonders of microWatt instead of picoWatt | 21:54 |
| Macer | and i am in the middle of fm traffic jam chicago lol | 21:54 |
| alterego | My new speed indicator widget is looking smart :D | 21:54 |
| Macer | ok. done testing | 21:54 |
| mece | alterego, it indicates speed? | 21:54 |
| Macer | thanks again. gotta go :) | 21:55 |
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| BCMM | alterego: desktop widget showing GPS speed? or network connection speed? | 21:55 |
| BCMM | or something else entirely? | 21:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | electromigration speed :-P | 21:55 |
| chus1 | Hi! | 21:55 |
| chus1 | I have a doubt | 21:55 |
| chus1 | Is there an equivalent function for hildon_mime_open_file in python? Can you help me? | 21:55 |
| janne123 | DocScrutinizer, ls -l /usr/share/applications/hildon worked now and what i say about this? | 21:55 |
| BCMM | DocScrutinizer: surprisingly slow? | 21:55 |
| Macer | fm tans seems to work better with the car charger plugged in | 21:56 |
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| Macer | just throwing that out there | 21:56 |
| alterego | BCMM: no custom widget in my application of custom widgets. | 21:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | janne123: sounds like you use catorize though | 21:56 |
| BCMM | so how does this "reducing power when USB is connected" thing work? | 21:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | as I recall "games dir" | 21:57 |
| BCMM | can you just boost it again? | 21:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | janne123: rerun it | 21:57 |
| NooBmonk3y | alterego, lol.. given up, reverted back to the 0.8.1 files that actually run from qt4 and on the device :| | 21:57 |
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| NooBmonk3y | at least i know that part works, so i need to start again i think, and figure out this build process :| | 21:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | janne123: if that doesn't help, restore a backup (just desktop settings or something might be enough) | 21:57 |
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| DocScrutinizer | janne123: if you want to do it the geek way, you check every file in /usr/share/applications/hildon for proper structure | 21:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | janne123: also the file /etc/xdg/menus/hildon.menu | 21:58 |
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| janne123 | DocScrutinizer, mmm i dont understand well what i do next:), can u say it clearly? | 21:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | if you want to go desparate last means, then delete /etc/xdg/menus/hildon.menu - might help or might require reflash | 21:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | sorry, there are more experienced hildon-desktop hackers around here than me | 22:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer | janne123: as I understand it, your hildon-menu process has messed up one or several of the files (in) /etc/xdg/menus/hildon.menu, /usr/share/applications/hildon/*.desktop | 22:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | there's no way except restore from backup to cope with every possible weirdness that might have sneaked in | 22:02 |
| janne123 | and what i do? i dont understand linux(first almost real linux device, before tha android):) | 22:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | maybe somebody else has better advice for you, I'm out of ideas | 22:03 |
| janne123 | and dont lost your mind if im asking stupid questions... | 22:04 |
| janne123 | loose* | 22:04 |
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| BCMM | maemo is a totally real linux | 22:07 |
| janne123 | okay:) | 22:07 |
| janne123 | android isnt and i use windows in pc | 22:07 |
| BCMM | yeah, android is a bit of a mess | 22:07 |
| BCMM | not technically linux, and very certainly not a traditional "GNU/Linux" | 22:07 |
| janne123 | but im confused and i need help with my problem | 22:08 |
| janne123 | DocScrutinizer, okay i want try anything what u say, say me something things what i should try, plz | 22:11 |
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| crashanddie_ | haha | 22:12 |
| janne123 | what are u laughing?:) | 22:12 |
| crashanddie_ | getting an advert using the windows XP colours, with a "Your computer might be infected with virii" | 22:13 |
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| luke-jr | uh | 22:13 |
| crashanddie_ | WHile I'm browsing using my PS3 | 22:13 |
| luke-jr | Maemo is no more "real Linux" than Android is | 22:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | mv /etc/xdg/menus/hildon.menu /etc/xdg/menus/hildon.menu-hide;killall hildon-desktop; <check>; mv /etc/xdg/menus/hildon.menu-hide /etc/xdg/menus/hildon.menu. killall hildon-desktop; mv /usr/share/applications/hildon/* /usr/share/applications/hildon-hide; <move one by one back to the original dir; see when it breaks> | 22:13 |
| * CutMeOwnThroat wonders what "real Linux" and what "unreal Linux" is | 22:13 | |
| luke-jr | on the other hand, Zaurus predate both by years and were far closer to "real Linux" | 22:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | maybe somebody can janne123 walk thru this advice | 22:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | I have to run | 22:14 |
| luke-jr | CutMeOwnThroat: "real Linux" is something Linus releases, or at least is compatible with it | 22:14 |
| luke-jr | Maemo and Android are neither | 22:14 |
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| luke-jr | they both require custom hacks to the kernel, at least | 22:14 |
| SpeedEvil | Maemo is a lot closer to it than android | 22:14 |
| luke-jr | SpeedEvil: not really | 22:14 |
| SpeedEvil | oh - I thought this was another OS discussion | 22:15 |
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| luke-jr | … | 22:15 |
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| SpeedEvil | If you speak of kernels, then yes, this is different. | 22:17 |
| SpeedEvil | Speaking of kernels. | 22:17 |
| * SpeedEvil leaves to make popcorn. | 22:17 | |
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| CutMeOwnThroat | luke-jr, what do you mean... they just need drivers for the hardware... | 22:17 |
| janne123 | can i restore phone(hildon) somehow? i dont want loose my apps but if its only change then i do it | 22:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | janne123: you got a recent backup? | 22:18 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | luke-jr, and that's not uncommon? see nvidia, ati, ... | 22:18 |
| jacekowski | btw. MfE is working | 22:18 |
| jacekowski | i had to delete account | 22:18 |
| luke-jr | CutMeOwnThroat: no, not just drivers | 22:18 |
| luke-jr | CutMeOwnThroat: and nVidia+Linux is not real Linux | 22:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | janne123: start osso-backup and restore the desktop and menu settings | 22:18 |
| jacekowski | as simply enabling e-mail sync wouldn't work | 22:18 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | looks real enough for me | 22:18 |
| janne123 | DocScrutinizer, i bought this yesterday(my friends old device) and i havent backuped it yet | 22:19 |
| luke-jr | CutMeOwnThroat: it's proprietary | 22:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | hell, so reflash it then | 22:19 |
| luke-jr | anyhow, the key thing here is the userland APIs | 22:19 |
| wmarone | CutMeOwnThroat: luke-jr fits the definition of FOSS zealot ;) | 22:19 |
| luke-jr | Maemo requires custom kernel<->userland APIs that are not supported by Linux | 22:19 |
| jacekowski | luke-jr: transition between user mode and kernel mode takes time | 22:19 |
| luke-jr | … | 22:19 |
| jacekowski | luke-jr: not really | 22:20 |
| luke-jr | yes really | 22:20 |
| jacekowski | there is no need for them | 22:20 |
| janne123 | DocScrutinizer, i have fixed it and its ready now, i have a lot of work if i reflash:) | 22:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~tell janne123 about flash | 22:20 |
| luke-jr | try booting Maemo with a MeeGo kernel (which is vanilla + drivers) | 22:20 |
| jacekowski | luke-jr: it's all just ugly implemented drivers | 22:20 |
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| luke-jr | it's the same problem as Android | 22:21 |
| jacekowski | but really | 22:21 |
| jacekowski | you have bootreason | 22:21 |
| jacekowski | that's not critical | 22:21 |
| jacekowski | and what else | 22:21 |
| luke-jr | it's critical if Maemo won't boot without it | 22:22 |
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| CutMeOwnThroat | wmarone, it kind of became apparent :) | 22:22 |
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| jacekowski | luke-jr: dsme doesn't really need it | 22:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | maemo doesn't really need dsme | 22:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-P | 22:22 |
| kthomas_vh | OT: any way to revert the web interface on Ovi Maps to what it was three months ago? | 22:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | btw are we talking bout maemo-the-kernel or maemo-the-system here? | 22:23 |
| luke-jr | Maemo the system | 22:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | uhuh. And you claim a random system should boot on any random kernel as long as both are linux as you define it? | 22:24 |
| janne123 | can i backup apps before reflash and restore them after it? | 22:24 |
| jacekowski | yes | 22:24 |
| jacekowski | go to backup app | 22:24 |
| janne123 | what it is? | 22:24 |
| jacekowski | and make a backup | 22:24 |
| luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: yes | 22:25 |
| luke-jr | well | 22:25 |
| jacekowski | janne123: there is backup app in menu | 22:25 |
| luke-jr | not necessarily any random kernel | 22:25 |
| luke-jr | but at least one released by Linus ;) | 22:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes, see | 22:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | lol | 22:25 |
| jacekowski | janne123: just backup to SD card not to internal memory if you want to flash it | 22:25 |
| jacekowski | luke-jr: there are no drivers in stock kernel | 22:25 |
| luke-jr | jacekowski: sure. but that's a problem between N900 and Linux | 22:25 |
| luke-jr | not Linux and Maemo | 22:26 |
| janne123 | i dont maybe see backup app because i have lost most of apps:) | 22:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | janne123: use xterm, osso-backup | 22:26 |
| janne123 | thanks | 22:27 |
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| janne123 | are u sure that backup apps in my case? | 22:27 |
| janne123 | because it doesnt see apps in menu... | 22:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | janne123: be aware that a restore of your current broken system might result in same problem again. So make a backup of your fresh clean system before restoring backup you're doing now | 22:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | s/fresh/fresh flashed/ | 22:28 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer meant: janne123: be aware that a restore of your current broken system might result in same problem again. So make a backup of your fresh flashed clean system before restoring backup you're doing now | 22:28 |
| janne123 | 0,1MB, is it too little backup? | 22:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | nope, sounds ok | 22:30 |
| janne123 | now i try if i can... | 22:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's only backing up the settings and a list of apps installed | 22:30 |
| janne123 | and what i do with list of apps? | 22:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | you'll need internet on N900 to restore | 22:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | on restore it installs all apps new | 22:31 |
| janne123 | ok | 22:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | beware it also recreates your friend's mail accounts and whatnot | 22:32 |
| janne123 | ok | 22:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | So I suggest you start from scratch | 22:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | also much more fun | 22:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | than a 'used' tainted system | 22:33 |
| janne123 | okay, i dont restore anything, i have a lot of work with install all apps:) | 22:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | nah, it's easy. You can just restore the apps from backup (you can select what to restore), and you can even select particular apps from restore list. It's no work, it's fun | 22:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | select or unselect apps from the restore list, klick ok, see it install all you want | 22:36 |
| janne123 | aa | 22:37 |
| janne123 | i restore apps then | 22:37 |
| janne123 | i live in finland, do i have to download global version? | 22:37 |
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| jigrap | do you guys know when about the nokia n910 will be released? | 22:43 |
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| janne123 | i doesnt find/install drivers... | 22:44 |
| Mece_ | oooh wait has summer glau been on chuck before? | 22:45 |
| ShadowJK | jigrap, I don't think it exists | 22:45 |
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| ShadowJK | jigrap, though people talk of "N9" too, which also doesn't officially exist | 22:46 |
| jigrap | ShadowJK: oh but I'm sure nokia will continue the n series | 22:46 |
| jigrap | ahh | 22:46 |
| jigrap | I'm hoping it will run maemo | 22:46 |
| ShadowJK | they should call it N>9000 | 22:46 |
| ShadowJK | it'll probably run either harmattan (Maemo/MeeGo hybrid), or MeeGo | 22:47 |
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| jigrap | as long as i can have a terminal and sudo gainroot :) | 22:47 |
| RST38h | They should call it BFG9000 and include the laser | 22:47 |
| jigrap | if the N9 is like the N8 it will have symbian :. | 22:48 |
| Mece_ | RST38h++ | 22:49 |
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| Turski | jigrap: N9 will not have symbian | 22:49 |
| RST38h | "Top officials from the FBI traveled to Silicon Valley on Tuesday to persuade Facebook and Google executives to support a proposal that would make it easier for law enforcement to wiretap the companies' users." | 22:49 |
| Mece_ | RST38h, source? | 22:49 |
| RST38h | Mece: Google! | 22:50 |
| jigrap | Turski: oh thats good to know then | 22:50 |
| Mece_ | RST38h, I don't like google. | 22:50 |
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| Turski | jigrap: Nokia told that N8 is the last symbian device on N-series | 22:50 |
| jigrap | neat | 22:51 |
| Turski | jigrap: and following devices will become with MeeGo | 22:51 |
| RST38h | Mece: Does Google care? | 22:51 |
| RST38h | Turski: Nothing of the sort. | 22:51 |
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| RST38h | Turski: So, don't get your hopes too high | 22:51 |
| jigrap | megoo has terminal access and stuff like maemo? | 22:51 |
| janne123 | now i flashed it:P | 22:51 |
| Mece_ | jigrap, well vanilla meego has | 22:52 |
| Turski | jigrap: i believe it does | 22:52 |
| Turski | RST38h: huh? | 22:52 |
| ShadowJK | Nokia said N8 is last Symbian^3 N-series, didn't they? And ^3 no longer "exists"... | 22:52 |
| janne123 | bye and i will come here tomorrow maybe:) | 22:52 |
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| RST38h | Hehe, they can still port Maemo5 to N8 ;) | 22:53 |
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| Turski | "[The N8] is the last of the N-Series devices that will be running on Symbian, we're migrating our N-Series portfolio to MeeGo now," said Harris. When we asked about whether the N9 would be the first MeeGo handset, the answer we got was clearly in the affirmative, though subsequent communication with Nokia has suggested this might not have been entirely accurate. | 22:53 |
| RST38h | Andcallit RX-71 or something | 22:53 |
| Mece_ | well, if the N9 that we've seen, as photos of a leaked device, is released I'm pretty sure it will have meego or a meegoish system. | 22:53 |
| RST38h | Turski: Does not mean a thing | 22:53 |
| RST38h | Turski: Things change, monthly | 22:54 |
| Turski | why wouldn't it mean? | 22:54 |
| Kaadlajk | just google meego-harmattan | 22:54 |
| Kaadlajk | or just harmattan | 22:54 |
| Turski | Since publishing the information Nokia has asked us to clarify that it has not been confirmed whether the next N-Series handset after the N8 will be called the N9. It is also unconfirmed that this unnamed device will be the first to market with MeeGo | 22:54 |
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| RST38h | Oh man, "Nokia confirms that the next handset after N8 will be N9!" | 22:55 |
| Turski | source: http://www.cnet.com.au/is-symbian-out-for-the-nokia-n-series-339304056.htm | 22:55 |
| RST38h | What a shocker... | 22:55 |
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| Turski | RST38h: huh? | 22:55 |
| Turski | RST38h: it did NOT confirm... | 22:55 |
| Mece_ | RST38h, what Turski said. | 22:55 |
| nidO | Turski: that article is from June. | 22:55 |
| Turski | nidO: well, true... | 22:55 |
| luke-jr | jigrap: Maemo is dead | 22:55 |
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| nidO | in plans-still-being-the-same time, that might as well have dated from the last ice age. | 22:56 |
| RST38h | Ok, nokia has not confirmed that the next handset after N8 will be N9. Is it still a shock to anyone? :) | 22:56 |
| nidO | particularly as half of nokia's management has changed since then. | 22:56 |
| RST38h | Anyways, I suggest you stop [once again] speculating about Nokia's plans. It has got mighty boring over the last 6 months. Sorry folks. | 22:56 |
| RST38h | Turski: If you want to talk about it, go start a thread at talk.maemo.org. | 22:57 |
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| Mece_ | RST38h, I think it's pretty interesting actually | 22:57 |
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| RST38h | Mece: Not when the same old newspaper clippings are cited for the twentieth time | 22:57 |
| Turski | RST38h: we should just shut up and be bored then? | 22:58 |
| nidO | Mece_: tbh the day it's interesting is the day any new information that doesnt just recant the same thing for the past 6 months comes out | 22:58 |
| Mece_ | RST38h, well ok not exactly interesting right now. | 22:58 |
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| Mece_ | nidO, true. When was that n9 proto leaked? nothing interesting has come since then. | 22:59 |
| nidO | exactly, those photos have gotta be at least 3 months old now | 22:59 |
| Turski | but i think they confirmed that first meego device will be published within this year | 22:59 |
| Mece_ | Turski, that has changed though. | 23:00 |
| Turski | Mece_: has it? | 23:00 |
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| Mece_ | Turski, I think so. ok so maybe they will announce it this year, idunno. | 23:01 |
| Turski | Mece_: oh, it really looks like it won't be announced before 2011 | 23:01 |
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| Mece_ | eyup | 23:02 |
| Mece_ | that's what they say. | 23:02 |
| alterego | I really want to disable catorise. | 23:02 |
| Turski | well, i will live with my N900 for long time before i'll switch to a new model ;) | 23:02 |
| alterego | Where are the post install scripts kept? | 23:03 |
| Turski | alterego: it really eat's the battery | 23:03 |
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| alterego | No it doesn't. | 23:03 |
| Turski | at least did for me | 23:03 |
| alterego | I doubt it was catorize .. | 23:03 |
| Turski | and did that heavily | 23:03 |
| Turski | i'm sure it was | 23:03 |
| alterego | catorize doesn't run except when you're installing and removing software .. | 23:04 |
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| alterego | So it must have been something else. | 23:04 |
| Turski | it caused ohmd to eat the battery somehow | 23:05 |
| alterego | And what is ohmd? | 23:05 |
| Turski | not sure if that happens with PR1.3 | 23:05 |
| alterego | And how do you know _it_ caused it? | 23:05 |
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| Turski | alterego: because removing it stopped that, and also lots of people are reporting about that | 23:06 |
| Turski | http://archive.fosdem.org/2007/schedule/events/embedded_open_hardware_manager | 23:07 |
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| alterego | Turski: got a forum topic? | 23:08 |
| alterego | Where are these people? | 23:08 |
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| Turski | http://forums.internettablettalk.com/showthread.php?t=64944&page=2 | 23:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | from recent queries here in this channel we should know N9 currently is planned with harmattan. Also http://www.engadget.com/photos/nokias-qwerty-slidin-n9-shows-up-in-the-wilds-of-china/#3277333 | 23:09 |
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| Turski | This problem is not catorise or mymenu fault... is a bug in hildon desktop triggered by this apps.. | 23:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | s/planned/planned and betatested/ | 23:09 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer meant: from recent queries here in this channel we should know N9 currently is planned and betatested with harmattan. Also http://www.engadget.com/photos/nokias-qwerty-slidin-n9-shows-up-in-the-wilds-of-china/#3277333 | 23:09 |
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| Turski | Qt and dbus - this combination forces application POLL 5 TIMES per SECOND. Instead of having time service it enforces 245msec poll() and effectively kills any battery saving efforts in kernel and anywhere. | 23:10 |
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| alterego | U-huh | 23:11 |
| Mece_ | alterego, did you find the scripts? /var/lib/dpkg/info/ | 23:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | Turski: that's not ohmd, it's kinetic scrolling | 23:11 |
| alterego | Mece_: no, so thank you :) | 23:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | that eats battery on cato and apmefo | 23:11 |
| Turski | DocScrutinizer: well, that was something else then | 23:11 |
| Turski | DocScrutinizer: huh? | 23:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | see http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools # fix annoying hildon-desktop cpu hog bug | 23:12 |
| alterego | Presumably catorize.triggers | 23:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | short app starter menu trigers | 23:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | catoraize and apmefo make short menues | 23:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer | kinetic scrolling will bounce off exactly zero pixels wide from upper and lower border | 23:13 |
| sp3000 | $ag $@ should be $ag "$@" | 23:14 |
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| sp3000 | not that you'll usually call apt-get with arguments containing spaces, but, for the sake of correctness anyhow | 23:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | thanks | 23:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | was a 5 minutes hack | 23:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-D | 23:17 |
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| gustavoferreira | hello everyone, i'm sorry for this question but i have to make it in order to communicate with you. I was using xchat but i don't know why it is always going down so i installed irssi and it is good, but it hasn't (at least i thing a lot of capabilities others GUI irc clients has, so what irc client do you use? Once again, sorry for this question but i want to connect to this channel and i'm always going down, help please. Thank you | 23:19 |
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| Mece_ | hee http://bit.ly/drMzEP | 23:20 |
| kerio | haha what | 23:20 |
| kerio | irssi is way ahead any other IRC client existing | 23:21 |
| kerio | how's xchat going "down"? | 23:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | xchat WAS segfaulting in former times by a bug in hildon autocompletion/spellcheck/someshit - how this didn't resurrect | 23:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | hope* | 23:22 |
| gustavoferreira | ohh, i'm sorry then, for my wrong assuption. Well, i connect to freenode and then when i enter maemo channel it just goes off. | 23:22 |
| SpeedEvil | xchat just works for me. | 23:22 |
| SpeedEvil | 'goes off'? | 23:22 |
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| gustavoferreira | sorry for my bad english, what i mean is, the application goes down | 23:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | xchat works absolutely fine since 8months+ for me | 23:23 |
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| kerio | DocScrutinizer: in a row? :o | 23:23 |
| gustavoferreira | it had worked fine to me too | 23:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | kerio: ? | 23:23 |
| kerio | you opened xchat 8 months ago and never quit it? | 23:23 |
| gustavoferreira | yrecently, i don't know whythe applciation goes down | 23:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, apart from occasional N900 boots... nope, never quit xchat | 23:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer | gustavoferreira: did you update during last 4 days, and did it start then? | 23:24 |
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| Jef91 | "Always flash the FIASCO image first, then the eMMC image immediately after that." What is the FIASCO image? | 23:25 |
| gustavoferreira | sorry, i maybe induced you in error, i was talking about xchat-gnome and i was openning it on ubuntu | 23:25 |
| gustavoferreira | yreally sorry if i made you though that was an error on xchat for maemo | 23:25 |
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| gustavoferreira | thought* | 23:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | Jef91: that's not exactly true, and the better sequence is other way round. Anyway FIASCO is the COMBINED img, and eMMC is the VANILA file | 23:26 |
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| Jef91 | kk | 23:27 |
| Jef91 | flashing vinilla and then going back to PR1.2 | 23:27 |
| Jef91 | where hopefully my headset will work again | 23:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer | hmm | 23:28 |
| pupnik_ | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=geqip_0Vjec High-precision autonomous quadcopter control: U of Pennsylvania. DocScrutinizer SpeedEvil kerio RST38h | 23:28 |
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| Jef91 | can I flash this vanilla "RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin" and then PR 1.2 or think that might break things? | 23:29 |
| kerio | pupnik_: oooold | 23:29 |
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| pupnik_ | oh | 23:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | switch off the red lamps and it's lost. Ask lcuk why that is | 23:30 |
| pupnik_ | lcuk: why is that? | 23:30 |
| pupnik_ | kerio: grow up. video is 9/15/10 | 23:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | there's been a part-I | 23:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | part-II is definitely even cooler. Though I loved the landing on walls and ceiling in part-I | 23:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | those dudes over in Pensilvania know to party :-P | 23:33 |
| SpeedEvil | kerio: yeah - old video is old | 23:33 |
| kerio | thank you | 23:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MvRTALJp8DM&NR=1 | 23:34 |
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| pupnik_ | http://www.grasp.upenn.edu/research/highlights | 23:35 |
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| jacekowski | problem with this stuff is battery life and power and weight and maneuverability | 23:38 |
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| Mece_ | DocScrutinizer, WANT | 23:41 |
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| kerio | mece: www.ardrone.com | 23:41 |
| jacekowski | kerio: WOW | 23:42 |
| kerio | not really the same thing, but it's close | 23:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, maneuverability seems exactly one of the least problems these critters have :-D | 23:42 |
| Mece_ | kerio, not even remotely close. ok it's a quad rotor, but that's where similarities end. | 23:43 |
| Mece_ | kerio, we have one of those at work. | 23:43 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: probably by moving their problem into battery life direction | 23:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | sure | 23:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | you *hear* it | 23:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | micro gas turbine with generator | 23:44 |
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| CaCO3 | Hi all | 23:45 |
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| crashanddie_ | Mece_: look into arduimu | 23:46 |
| CaCO3 | I have a question about the python version in the latest SDK | 23:46 |
| CaCO3 | it seems to be python2.3. Is there a way to upgrade it? | 23:46 |
| jacekowski | that's expensive | 23:47 |
| jacekowski | £299 | 23:47 |
| CaCO3 | I am trying to use shedskin, but it does not work with python2.3 | 23:47 |
| jacekowski | considering that they went cheap way with motors and batteries | 23:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | sure | 23:47 |
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| jacekowski | 2 carbon fiber sticks | 23:48 |
| jacekowski | bits of glue | 23:48 |
| jacekowski | some electronics | 23:48 |
| jacekowski | 4 motors | 23:48 |
| jacekowski | battery pack | 23:48 |
| jacekowski | and propelers | 23:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | plus shitloads of electronics :-P | 23:49 |
| jacekowski | just a gyro and motor controllers | 23:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | haha | 23:49 |
| jacekowski | and it's only pwm based stuff probably | 23:49 |
| Mece_ | it's pretty overpriced for the quality though. toy grade, not hobby grade. | 23:49 |
| jacekowski | single transistor | 23:49 |
| jacekowski | Mece_: exactly | 23:50 |
| Mece_ | but it is pretty cool. | 23:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | oh you're talking bout the ardrone? | 23:50 |
| Mece_ | yes. | 23:50 |
| jacekowski | i don't have iCrap so i can't buy it | 23:50 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: yes | 23:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer | yeah, the iCrapApp is the most expensive part of it :-P | 23:51 |
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| jacekowski | how much does iCrapApp cost? | 23:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | no idea | 23:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | but without it wouldn't sell at all | 23:52 |
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| DocScrutinizer | so clearly a toy for apple nerds | 23:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | and those always were willing to pay more | 23:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | if it has a lower case "i" in front | 23:53 |
| Mece_ | DocScrutinizer, well not nerds. Nerds would want oss to be able to make it autonomous :) | 23:53 |
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| jacekowski | Mece_: nerds reversed app | 23:54 |
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| Mece_ | jacekowski, que? | 23:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | sdren ppa | 23:55 |
| jacekowski | http://www.giantcod.co.uk/epower-3200kv-35amp-brushless-helicopter-outrunner-motor-23mm-p-402335.html | 23:55 |
| jacekowski | take a look at that | 23:56 |
| jacekowski | Max. efficiency current: 8 - 10.5 A (>75%) | 23:56 |
| jacekowski | and that's @10V | 23:56 |
| jacekowski | http://www.giantcod.co.uk/xyh80100a-180kv-brushless-outrunner-7055-p-404968.html | 23:56 |
| jacekowski | that's HUGE | 23:56 |
| Mece_ | :) | 23:57 |
| jacekowski | http://www.giantcod.co.uk/xyh3536-1100kv-brushless-outrunner-p-402742.html | 23:58 |
| jacekowski | 10 quid | 23:58 |
| Macer | uhm | 23:58 |
| jacekowski | 11V | 23:58 |
| Macer | can you fly it with your n900? | 23:58 |
| Macer | lol | 23:58 |
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| Macer | there an ssh app to make ssh shortcuts on your desktop in maemo? | 23:59 |
| jacekowski | carbon fiber stuff is cheap | 23:59 |
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