IRC log of #maemo for Monday, 2010-11-01

* DocScrutinizer grumbles about never having bothered to dl that shit00:00
jacekowskii think i have pr1.2 emmc image somewhere00:00
MohammadAG51DocScrutinizer, oh and it's 250MBs00:00
MohammadAG51btw, that image is modified to be 3GBs for /home00:00
DocScrutinizermy box has a 1GB backbone00:01
MohammadAG51used sed on it to reverse changes00:01
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MohammadAG51btw, if Nokia wants to sue me, i'm a minor, and your rules only apply when they're (the rules) are available to read00:02
Myrttigood night folks00:02
* DocScrutinizer cackles satanically00:02
MohammadAG51night Myrtti00:02
DocScrutinizerMyrtti: o/00:03
MohammadAG51btw, *switches on racist mode*00:03
MohammadAG5130MB lines are available in IL00:03
MohammadAG51but they're for jews only00:03
DocScrutinizersure thing00:04
jacekowskithat reminds me of video i saw00:04
MohammadAG51and they cost a 100 per month00:04
MohammadAG51$ i think00:04
jacekowskiand stupid kids throwing eggs at cars00:04
jacekowskiin israel00:04
jacekowskiand one of these kids got ran over00:04
MohammadAG51the guy who ran them over?00:04
MohammadAG51i thought they were throwing rocks00:05
jacekowskiwell, something round00:05
jacekowskimaybe rocks00:05
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MohammadAG51extremists exist on both sides00:06
DocScrutinizerI recall eggs being thrown at cars somehwre00:06
MohammadAG51wipe those out, and you get a happy life00:06
ALoGeNohey im trying to install sdk but isnt there, is there some new link? im following the wiki but that link dont work00:06
jacekowskiso what you think about virgins after death?00:06
DocScrutinizer/join #defocus !00:06
MohammadAG51ALoGeNo, topic00:07
DocScrutinizerALoGeNo: /topic !00:07
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DocScrutinizerALoGeNo: odds are it gets fixed on tuesday00:08
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MohammadAG51or tmrw00:09
DocScrutinizertomorrow is holiday in catholic european countries00:09
ALoGeNothank you very much DocScrutinizer and MohammadAG51 :)00:09
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DocScrutinizer[2010-10-31 22:44:20] <DocScrutinizer> hey, monday is holiday. So it's pretty clear thy spoiled it on Friday. They always do on long weekends so impact is maximized00:10
MohammadAG51why isn't maemo run by jews?00:10
DocScrutinizerbecause angry birds isn't kosher00:10
MohammadAG51epic reply00:11
ALoGeNothat is the problem ( repository down since ~00:00 Oct 31. for unknown cause) no?00:11
ALoGeNothank you guys00:11
MohammadAG51yw :)00:11
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DocScrutinizerI seem to remember a similar opportunity where they messes up everything just before evrybody went on holidays for a week00:12
DocScrutinizermaybe last xmas00:13
DocScrutinizeror easter?00:13
MohammadAG51xmas i think00:13
MohammadAG51i wasn't here though00:13
DocScrutinizeryes, was xmas. Now I seem to recall a rant of mine "how COULD they?? All the guys unpacking their devices under the tree, then screwed as repos are down til new year"00:14
MohammadAG5125 percent uploaded00:14
MohammadAG51off to bed00:16
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MohammadAG51i'll keep scp running jacekowski00:16
RST38h    * Change theme from Classic | Add stuff »00:17
RST38hTop Stories00:17
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MohammadAG51night peeps00:18
wileybdnight thanks for the help00:18
jacekowskiMohammadAG51: just paste md5sum of it00:19
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wileybdi tried isohunt and found nothing00:33
DocScrutinizeractually the file sizes are insane00:33
wileybd nice00:33
DocScrutinizerRX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin looks a bit different00:34
jacekowskiwait for MohammadAG51 to finish with his upload00:34
wileybdone says 1.3 gb00:34
DocScrutinizermight be raw disk images00:34
jacekowski-rw-r--r--  1 mohammadag users 126697472 Oct 31 23:34 RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin00:34
jacekowskihalf is already there00:34
DocScrutinizerjust moh more than half gone, regarding md5sum00:35
DocScrutinizerI'd not bother too much bout md500:35
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TomaszDI was trying to debug this weird deauth problem with my n90000:39
dolphow to find out which exact qt and qtm versions are on device00:39
DocScrutinizerwileybd: make sure you flash VANILLA *first* (no matter what recommendations you read elsewhere), and ommit the -R. Then remove battery, prepare VANILLA flasher, and plug in USB while holding 'u'00:40
TomaszDsuddenly WLAN became very unreliable, even with battery saving off00:40
TomaszDI just unplug my WLAN ipcam00:40
wileybdwill do00:40
TomaszDand now it works well again....00:40
jacekowskihmm i'm just thinking00:41
DocScrutinizers/remove/remove and re-insert/00:41
infobotDocScrutinizer meant: wileybd: make sure you flash VANILLA *first* (no matter what recommendations you read elsewhere), and ommit the -R. Then remove and re-insert battery, prepare VANILLA flasher, and plug in USB while holding 'u'00:41
jacekowskithat it looks like that white LED00:41
jacekowskiwhen phone is switching on00:41
jacekowskiwhen you press button00:41
jacekowskiisn't done by nolo 2nd00:41
jacekowskiit's done by 1st stage00:41
nox-dolp, apt-cache policy?00:42
DocScrutinizererr damn00:42
* nox- gets 4.7.0-git20100909...00:42
DocScrutinizerwileybd: make sure you flash VANILLA *first* (no matter what recommendations you read elsewhere), and omit the -R. Then remove & insert battery, prepare COMBINED flasher, and plug in USB while holding 'u'00:42
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DocScrutinizerjacekowski: :-o00:43
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wileybdso i remove and reinsert the battery for each one i image to it00:44
wileybdno prob00:44
wileybdso i really havent had time to keep up with the n900 stuff i know i just wanted one but is the meego stuff better then maemo at all?00:45
wileybdor is it along ways away00:45
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SpeedEvilmeego as a polished phone OS - or even a releasable one - is some ways off.00:46
SpeedEvilI would be surpirsed to see it polished before august.00:47
SpeedEvilMaybe it may be released before then - who knows.00:47
* SpeedEvil points to #meego00:47
wileybdwell i need to do the candy thing so when i get back i guess ill try to download the vanilla image00:47
jpinx-eeepc"polished" as maemo was prior to release?00:48
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pupnikGreat Depression Cooking: Egg Drop Soup
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SpeedEvilmaemo 5 was not publically developed AIUI00:52
jacekowski-rw-r--r--  1 mohammadag users 190365696 Oct 31 23:53 RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin00:53
pupnikwe shoudl work on hacking android drivers to work with linux kernel00:53
pupnikthen run linux on popular phones00:53
pupnikand world domination00:53
jacekowskiandroid is linux based00:53
jacekowskiandoid is a linux00:53
pupnikso for an android camera driver, expose a v4l interface00:54
pupnikfor accelerometer, a joystick interface00:54
pupnikboot linux, run linux apps, run android apps, run maemo apps00:54
pupnikon hardware that starts at $15000:54
dolpgod i dont like qt mobility :D00:55
SpeedEvilAndroid is to normal linux as frankenstein is to Michael Jordan.00:55
jacekowskiSpeedEvil: not really00:55
jacekowskiSpeedEvil: it's almost normal linux kernel00:55
jacekowskiSpeedEvil: lot of stuff got merged to mainline00:55
SpeedEvilyeah - I meant normal linux distributions.00:55
jacekowskiand stuff that didn't is implemented in mainline in some other way00:55
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jacekowskibut there are still some differences00:56
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DocScrutinizerHELP NEEDED! Topic USB: Assume we have a PHY connected via ULPI. Where and how is speed switching done? (LS/HS/FS). Is this a mere PHY thing, or is the "upper end" ULPI controller also involved? All pointers and small bits of info much appreciated. thank you00:57
SpeedEvilasked overr on #edev? Sometimes people with a clue will pop up there00:58
jacekowskiDocScrutinizer: well, whole usb negotiation is done partialy in software as well01:00
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jacekowskii mean chirping and stuff01:00
jacekowskii would bet it's more than just phy involved01:01
DocScrutinizerjacekowski: we have the problem how to switch to correct speed for hostmode01:01
DocScrutinizerwith the friggin musb-core01:01
jacekowskiwell, it's partialy phy01:02
jacekowskias line states are different01:02
DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: I dunno #edev. Maybe I should have a peek01:02
jacekowskifor different modes01:02
jacekowskiand then it uses chirping to go to FS01:02
DocScrutinizeralso ack01:02
jacekowskiHS i mean01:02
jacekowskiso you have your high state on one of lines to detect ls/fs01:03
DocScrutinizeris ULPI clock driven by PHY and musb_core just follows, or do we need to make sure musb-core has correct clock and logical protocol?01:03
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merlin1991damn @ topic, I wanted to install sdk and adjust some widgets to my liking tomorrow :/01:08
nid0has anyone ever seen an issue where their device will longer display contact information while the phone's ringing or the call's in progress (and just shows the number the call's from), but then shows the correct info in the call log after the call?01:09
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nid0will no longer*01:09
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jacekowskiwileybd: done01:16
merlin1991hm is there any mirror of the extras repository anywhere?01:17
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jacekowskithat's not bad idea01:19
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jacekowskiwhen it comes back i'll start mirroring it01:19
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merlin1991I think this was discussed here already, but I missed the conclusion the last time, is it actually ok to mirror extras?01:20
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DocScrutinizerjacekowski: please reread and They still seem correct to the point, and comprehensive. Paul's method is implementing exactly that, for all I can tell01:29
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* DocScrutinizer .oO(what does it tell there's only 6 rsp 15 thanks for useful post on a 95% implementation spec, while BS like "Can't wait to get my hands on it LULZ" get 30 thanks)01:31
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jacekowskiyeah, there is one problem with that01:34
merlin1991I don't understand a single word in the whole thing :P01:34
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jacekowskiit doesn't explain HighSpeed negotiation01:35
jacekowskiwhich is quite important bit01:35
jacekowskii mean negotiation itself is simple01:35
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jacekowskiit's how do you implement it in this hardware configuration which isn't really designed to work with hostmode at all01:36
jacekowskii'm going to sleep before midnight today01:37
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TPChi, my N800 is stuck in a reboot loop and I want to try flashing, but the nokia server where the flasher / firmware is hosted seems to be down, does anyone have a mirror?01:39
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merlin1991hm if anyone could explain me what the PHY stands for in the host mode discussion I would be glad01:40
infobotsomebody said flasher was
pupniki just have a binary for it for ia32 linux01:40
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TPCpupnik, that would work fine01:41
SpeedEvilPHY = physical USB interface.01:42
SpeedEvilIt's the bit that speaks USB and connects to the external connector. It is talked to over the ULPI bus by the CPU01:43
merlin1991I see, that stuff is way over my head01:43
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sivanganybody know why would a debian paclage, at install time, try to run an init.d script before finishing the installation of other package content that is mandatory for the script to run?01:47
* sivang is on the brink of insanity01:47
sivangso- I have a pkg, that has a script, that imports a package01:47
sivangon install time, he install breaks sinc ehte pkg is not there yet01:47
sivangon subsequent installs, it works, since the paclkage is already there01:47
sivangI have no pre* scripts01:48
sivangonly postint\01:48
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sivanganyone ran into something similar?01:48
TPCnevermind, I found an old copy of the flasher and firmware I had lying around, these will have to do01:50
DocScrutinizerjacekowski: (it doesn't explain HighSpeed negotiation) that's exactly why I asked for help here :-D I simply have NFC how it works01:50
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trip0is the build server down?02:47
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rtylerhm, I did an apt-get upgrade from the rootsh, and the update center still complains that I need to update to maemo 503:00
* rtyler wonders if he'll ever get to PR 1.3 03:00
nox-istr mention of upgrade via apt being broken...03:02
nox-so just try the program manager way03:02
rtylerI don't have a USB hookup to back up to03:02
nox-or app manager or whatever its called03:02
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nox-you can backup to usd too03:02
rtylercan I just not backup >_>03:04
nox-if you prefer... :)03:04
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infobotpr1.3 is, like, the latest (and probably last) software update for Fremantle, available since Monday October 25 2010. More information at -- see ~flashing for how to update03:05
nox-rtyler, if it tells you to upgrade via pcsuite try again and look at `details' for the cause03:06
nox-for /me it was perl which i just upgraded manually via apt-get install03:07
nox-then it was happy03:07
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pupnik"A federal spending surge of more than $20 billion for roads and bridges in President Barack Obama’s first stimulus has had no effect on local unemployment rates"
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dolpgreat.. maemo 5 sdk gui installer almost works03:22
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prgmrchris /wc03:35
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rtylerdun dun dun, rebooting03:38
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nox-rtyler, was you problem also perl?03:41
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wileybdok jacekowski i just got back so im grabbing it now03:48
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wileybdMorning? holly crap i better go to bed soon04:11
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lollooso guys how is PR1.3?04:20
lolloo3d movement still sluggish to me04:21
lollooflipping between apps still sluggish04:21
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Termanalolloo, bullet about to be lodge in your head, still slug... gish04:26
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lollooi mean its slow04:26
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lolloois it ok to update to PR1.3 through App manager?04:49
lollooor is it better to Flash entirely04:50
lolloousing Vanilla is it better?04:51
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nox-lolloo, upgrading via appmanager worked for me at least (after manually upgrading perl)05:18
nox-apt-get install perl05:18
nox-i mean05:18
nox-(it complained about perl when suggesting upgrading via pcsuite initially...)05:19
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lolloodo you still feel flipping through apps is still jerky?05:21
lollooand pics too.05:21
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Gorrothdoes maemo have the squid proxy anywhere?  i don't find it in extras/-testing/-devel05:29
Gorrothi just find polipo05:29
lolloonor meego has one05:32
lolloouse tor proxy05:33
Gorrothno, that's not what i'm trying to do05:33
Gorrothi'll just build it myself if i can05:33
lolloowhat do you want to do?05:34
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Gorrothinstall squid05:34
Gorrothpersonal reasons05:34
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the_lord-n900any news on the repo?05:35
lolloodo you want to hack someone?05:35
Gorroththat's what i said05:35
Gorrothi said personal05:35
lolloopersonal = bad things05:36
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Gorrothif you say so05:36
lollookeep away from my phone05:36
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wileybdProps to DocScrutinizer, MohammadAG51, jacekowski and everyone else who helped me, now i can have a few a bud lights and get ready for work at 6:00am get my n900 back, ah the power of open source!05:56
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wileybdOh SpeedEvil too he had some things to say as well!06:02
Gorrothwhat about me?!06:07
wileybddam i forgetting everyone here06:08
Gorrothyeah, i told you about that one thing06:08
timophwileybd: time zones are fun. irssi shows me that you posted that 'ready for work' comment at 5:56am :)06:08
wileybdand Gorroth man you guys dont play around!06:08
Gorrothi was lying06:08
Gorrothi was never here06:08
wileybdi was like who ?06:09
wileybdi know i had alot help but man06:09
wileybdoh well Gorroth as well!06:10
Gorrothno, i was never here06:10
wileybdi was trying to figure what the hell did he help me with06:10
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wileybdwell anyhow this place is nice!06:11
wileybdtimoph yeah work is going to suck tommorow06:12
wileybdget there and open the stupid cm synergy and look at the dam code changes and merges i get to do sounds like fun to me06:13
wileybdall i know is my phone is working and its fast now06:13
wileybdand i just grabbed my last beer06:14
Gorroth"cm synergy"?  what is that06:15
Gorrothman, my n900 i still don't consider fast.  not next to my nexus one06:15
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wileybdcm synergy is just a complex software repository/configuration management tool that does all that fun stuff06:26
wileybdits a pain in the ass06:27
wileybdactually its called rational synergy now that ibm ownes it06:27
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RobbieThe1st..Well, that answers my question quite handily08:03
trip0oh ya?08:06
RobbieThe1stQuote: "repository down since ~00:00 Oct 31. for unknown cause"08:06
RobbieThe1stAh, well, back to uploading packages to my own site I guess...08:07
trip0i've been trying to upload for the past few hours as well08:07
trip0guess i can stop trying08:07
trip0i need to send my n900 in for repair tomorrow anyway08:08
trip0probably won't ever see it again :(08:08
timeless_mbptrip0: i need to send mine in a week from today08:14
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timeless_mbp(when i get back to .fi)08:14
trip0timeless_mbp, what did you do to yours?08:17
trip0my usb port fell off]08:17
timeless_mbpit's been on permanent loan to a friend08:18
timeless_mbphe attacked the usb port this time08:18
timeless_mbphe's also managed to do in the screen08:18
timeless_mbphis timing sucked though, since he told me about the problem saturday night, and i flew to france sunday08:18
timeless_mbpand he's traveling later in the week08:18
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johnxso, how was everyone's halloween?08:26
RST38hmoo johnx, all08:27
johnxm00f RST38h08:27
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RobbieThe1st:D It worked! I now have two scripts: One, which takes a debian source package and makes .deb binary package, and another which uploads that file and the .changes file to my webserver!08:35
opdf2hmm I was about to upgrade to 1.3. Is the repo still down?08:35
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psycho_oreoslooks like it still is down08:39
psycho_oreosguess I'm partially lucky to not have migrated to PR1.3 during this time or I'd be stuck in the same boat as you :)08:42
psycho_oreosor at least to those with half setup pr1.3 lol08:43
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opdf2is the emmc vanilla the same version?08:44
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opdf2dev nokia is down, I can't download any firmware either08:45
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RobbieThe1stand yea, emmc's the same08:45
RobbieThe1stI'd upload the PR1.3 file for you guys, but I think I'd probably get grumped at for distributing copyrighted files or something like that...08:46
opdf2yeah i know, it's part of the agreement when dl08:46
opdf2i guess I gotta wait08:46
psycho_oreosthe leaked pr1.3 global firmware is the same as official release08:47
RobbieThe1sthm... checked the torrents?08:48
psycho_oreossame md5sum should I add :)08:49
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RobbieThe1stI have to say, -this- is the one problem I have with frigging eulas and such - it's free to download, but if the site goes down... everyone's out of luck. Contrast to all good old GPL software - mirrored in a dozen places, at least!08:53
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psycho_oreosthis is not the only restraint maemo community and nokia's approach has been facing.. the rolling updates are not available to the public is another held back08:55
johnxmmmm. is my favorite08:56
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RobbieThe1stQuick question, guys. What's a good cli tool in Busybox for returning info on a PID? Like, if it's still running, what status, etc?09:17
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johnxis this a trick question? is there some reason ps doesn't work?09:17
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psycho_oreosisn't there pidof?09:18
psycho_oreosor pgrep?09:18
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johnxpsycho_oreos, he asked about returning info on a PID, not returning the pid of a process09:19
psycho_oreosjohnx, oh *facepalms self*09:19
johnxI cheated. I reread it :)09:19
RobbieThe1stYea, I've got the PID... Now, what's the -right- way to go about extracting a line from ps?09:19
johnxps | grep '^$pid'09:19
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infobotjohnx meant: ps | grep "^$pid"09:20
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johnxthe ^ is for beginning of the line09:20
psycho_oreos$pid as in the variable?09:20
RobbieThe1stYea, I forgot which character09:20
RobbieThe1stdid beginning of line09:21
johnxpsycho_oreos, heh. did I just screw that up09:21
RobbieThe1stAand, it's actuaally "busybox ps | grep "^ $pid"09:21
psycho_oreosjohnx, no I don't know.. that command you just typed is completely new to me, normally I'd do ps| grep <pid>09:21
RobbieThe1stNote the space09:22
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DocScrutinizerRobbieThe1st: a line?09:22
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johnxpsycho_oreos, yeah, I meant $pid as in a variable09:22
psycho_oreosjohnx, again not sure lol09:22
infobotmessy... err busybox is meant for lean scripting. Regarding all the missing options and immanent limitations (see su) it's not really the interactive shell of choice. A lot of people hate busybox because a lot of system integrators don't understand the difference between busybox and a decent user interactive shell plus unix utils09:22
johnxif you don't match the beginning of the line with ^ there's a good chance that another number somewhere will happen to match your PID09:22
RobbieThe1stDoc busybox ps | grep "^ $pid"  does what I want09:22
RobbieThe1st^^ exactly why I wanted that09:23
psycho_oreosthat's true09:23
johnxDocScrutinizer, thanks for causing infobot to spam the channel with things everyone here already knows. very helpful09:23
RobbieThe1stAlso, any way to get any more info out of busybox? I get path and user currently09:23
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johnxRobbieThe1st, install a better version of ps :)09:24
psycho_oreos`set' would have lots of environment variables I suppose predefined09:24
RobbieThe1stYea, I suppose. My problem is that I'm running in a ramdisk, trying to use as few "extra" tools as possible. I have a problem in that, for some users of my software, gnu tar seems to "lock up", and never exit.09:25
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Creteildamn, repositories always down :-(09:25
johnxCreteil, it's only down when you need it09:26
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RobbieThe1stquick Q: I have a "while [ -n "$(ps -e | grep $pid)" ]; do"09:29
RobbieThe1stWhat's the proper way to change the grep to use "^ $pid" instead of just $pid09:29
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johnxshould be able to replace $pid with "^ $pid" directly09:31
johnxalso, I think ps and ps -e behave exactly the same on maemo busybox09:31
RobbieThe1sthm... doing something wrong here09:31
RobbieThe1stYea, I think you are right there - 'ps -e' was part of some example, and it worked, so...09:32
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johnxah, oops. two sets of "s :)09:33
johnxuhm, take the outside ones off. shouldn't be necessary I think09:33
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RobbieThe1stwhile [ -n '$(ps | grep "^ $pid")' ]; do echo 'test'; done works right09:35
RobbieThe1stwithout the ''s, it gives an error09:35
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johnxand there it is, right there in my favorite guide:
johnxtold me I should have used quotes ...09:38
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RobbieThe1stto be honest, I use that guide too - I can't always find what I'm looking for though09:40
RobbieThe1stAnd, of course, ash/bash differences are a pain09:40
johnxI think it does an ok job of noting bashisms09:41
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johnxbut still a pain09:41
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RobbieThe1stToo bad the py2deb only works on the N900... I'd love to have it running on my Debian main boxc09:49
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ieatlintwhat's so special about the n900 that py2deb only works on it?09:51
RobbieThe1stSome library09:51
RobbieThe1stIt requires python2.5-py2deb, which requires a couple of maemo packages...09:52
ieatlinti want to run the old tie fighter video game on my n90009:52
RobbieThe1stDo it? You've got dosbox09:52
ieatlinthmmm, true09:52
ieatlintok, that's awesome... i need to see if i can get it working when i haven't had 3 glasses of wine and 2 beers09:53
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ieatlint(i was verbally abusive drunk neighbour for halloween, but it wasn't planned"09:54
RobbieThe1stBut what's the fun in -that-?09:54
johnxdoing it sober? no challenge.09:54
ieatlinti wrote a bit of code earlier09:55
ieatlinti already have proven the ballmer peak09:55
johnxand then rapidly degenerated to yelling 'developers' at strangers and throwing chairs?09:56
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ieatlints/strangers/small children asking for candy/09:57
Myrttimyyh. my phone hasn't gone forward at all yet09:58
johnxah. right. you're still partying. Us here in the future are already getting ready for work :P09:58
johnxmay I be the first sysadmin on here to say: Daylight savings is a *(&#$# nightmare09:59
johnxieatlint, somehow I thought you were in NZ or Oz09:59
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RobbieThe1st...WTH? Ok, so I made a .deb package. If I look inside it with ark, I see that I've got a data.tar.gz file, and inside it are my files. one of these is /etc/bootmenu.d/backupmenu.item. I install the package on my N900 with dpkg -i as root, and it installs "properly". The file is never created though10:00
ieatlintif i were in nz or oz, it'd be after work10:00
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Alecjwhi there, anyone  know why i cant sign in to my server with ssh pubkey auth from my n900? i get authentication failed although the private key's in ~/.ssh10:00
RobbieThe1stthe dir's there..10:00
ieatlintit's 7pm in sydney10:00
ieatlint9pm in wellington10:00
Alecjw8am in london10:01
Myrttiit's coffee o'clock in Finland10:01
johnxieatlint, ok. I might have killed too many braincells saturday10:01
RobbieThe1st is my deb. Can anyone see what's wrong with it?10:02
ieatlintsounds like fun10:02
ieatlinti'm out in california where the bars are still open for another hour10:02
fluxalecjw, I recently found out that you might require a dss key, rsa won't do. or then it was something else. but it's worth trying out.10:02
johnxAlecjw, check permissions on the keys10:02
ieatlintand the local sports team just won an important game... woo, local sports team!10:02
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fluxalecjw, hm, actually, nevermind, this wasn't probably relevant :)10:03
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johnxieatlint, did they rush more hoops than the other team? awesome10:03
ieatlintno, it's lamer than basketball... it's baseball!10:04
Alecjwflux, so it might work if i generate a different key with ssh-keygen?10:04
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johnxah. I was going for a generic smattering of sports lingo10:04
Alecjwjohnx, should be 600 i assume?10:05
ieatlint"hoops" was too specific i'm afraid10:05
johnxAlecjw, that'd be good10:05
johnxand authorized_keys probably shouldn't be writable by other10:05
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Alecjwhmm, ive lost read access  to .ssh10:08
ieatlintauthorized_keys is typicallys 600 or 64410:09
ieatlint.ssh is typically 70010:09
Alecjwhmm, my permissions are right now... but still cant log in10:11
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Alecjwah ill have to try it from another computer, see if its a key problem10:11
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ieatlinttry on the client enabling as much verbosity as you can10:12
ieatlintit will tell you if it rejects your key10:12
ieatlintif it does, then you need to debug from the server side10:12
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RobbieThe1stHm... So, erm, I'm building my maemo package(it's a python script, so no actual compiling/arch=all) using "dpkg-buildpackage -B" from an amd64 Debian install. Is this wrong?10:14
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RobbieThe1stI'm using: py2deb to make the source-package, then "dpkg-source -x ./file.dsc", cd into the directory, then run the dpkg-buildpackage command10:14
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zokierargh.. i think i broke my scratcbox again10:18
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Alecjwieatlint, i'll have to try that tonight when i can get on to the server. thanks10:22
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Alecjwanyway im off now, bye all10:24
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zapAnybody knows where desktop shortcuts are stored?10:29
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krayonzap: I believe in gconf or whatever10:31
user_hey guys how am i able to  install moonlight in firefox10:32
tybolltin kde4 what pkg have you got to add to get 'kate'?10:32
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johnxwhat distro?10:32
zokier maybe?10:33
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user_anyone knows?10:34
krayonzap: You can see references to their locations using: gconftool-2 -R /apps/osso/hildon-desktop/applets10:34
krayonzap: I'm guessing though, just got an N900 recently, still exploring :P10:34
johnxuser_, are you sure it's available for ARM?10:34
zapHmm, it references the .desktop file directly10:34
user_that idk but firefox linked me to it10:35
tybolltzokier: danke schön!10:35
zapthen why I'm getting a normal icon in app menu, and a blue square on the desktop...10:35
jacekowskijohnx: somebody did it10:35
tybolltjohnx: what zokier said ;)10:35
jacekowskijohnx: in ubuntu10:35
johnxtybollt, is good. so is apt-file search (you'll need to install apt-file first)10:36
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tybolltin this case I was not aware "kate" was its own pacakge10:36
user_only 32/64 bit10:37
user_no amr sadly10:37
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user_this sux no adobe or moonlight10:39
user_how ever can we keep this device updated10:39
Myrttiuser_: but I heard that MS is abandoning Silverlight themselves...10:39
user_that would be grea so whos the replacement10:40
MyrttiHTML5 apparently10:40
user_i see10:40
RST38h  <=== another turn of the toilet plunger10:40
user_and for a flash player?10:40
user_the galaxy s of samsung is android 2.1 rite is it updateavle to 2.2?10:41
johnxRST38h, I suppose you're against linux package repositories too?10:41
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timeless_mbpdoes nokia not provide -dbg packages for things?10:42
* timeless_mbp thought we did10:42
Myrttiuser_: how would we know if it is updateable?10:42
user_i might go over to android since there is more support forit10:43
user_just asking10:43
Myrttiuser_: good luck10:43
RST38hjohnx: no, why?10:43
johnxtybollt, ah, but you can feed apt-file a path like /usr/bin/kate and it will just go out and tell you what provides it. same with packages.ubuntu.com10:43
user_just asking10:43
user_ someone might have it here10:43
johnxRST38h, the mac app store is pretty darn close to any linux distros software repository, just with different rules about what can and can't be included10:43
user_or is it possible for n900 to install android 2.2?10:44
johnxuser_, google for nitdroid10:44
johnxdunno what version of android it is. what did you need silverlight for though?10:44
user_silverlight link me automatic to moonlight10:45
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MyrttiI've seen Silverlight used in only one place, Ryanair destination map10:45
RST38hjohnx: It is the rules and the exclusivity that I am cackling about10:45
user_but android have flash 10@support10:45
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johnxuser_, ok. then you should go install android10:46
alteregogood moaning10:46
user_so this nitroid is same as android?10:46
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johnxRST38h, heh. I just think it's funny people are making such a big fuss about it when linux distros have been doing the same thing for more than a decade. of course apple gets to set the rules for its own repository. only makes sense10:47
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RST38hjohnx: once again, do not mix technologies and policies10:49
RST38hjohnx: Yes, Debian official repos have got a lot of funny rules and limitations10:49
RST38hjohnx: But there are unofficial repos that do not have these rules, and you can make your own easily10:49
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johnxlooks like apple will allow 'unofficial' apps on macs for the time being (through 10.7 at least)10:50
RST38hjohnx: Yea, so it seems10:50
RobbieThe1stIt's quite common to have the official Debian repos, and then a couple PPAs or other repos for the extra software you want.10:50
RST38hjohnx: But my guess is they will close this loophole once their shiuny new "app store" gets off the ground10:50
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zapStrange. A guy here tells me he updated to PR1.3 via App Manager without any "nokia PC suite" and without losing his rootfs. Was the PR1.3 updated in the meantime?10:51
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RST38hzap: I have done the same10:51
johnxzap, that's how I updated ...10:51
RST38hzap: apt-get upgrade and watch the blinkenlights10:52
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Purtihi guys, do u know Meego 1.1 Handset UX - Video player is built on top of which multimedia framework/library?10:52
johnxRST38h, time will tell. I'm not going to run around screaming "the sky is falling" over something apple may or may not do 3-4 years from now10:52
zapI had to reflash the device, losing a lot of packages not from reps...10:52
RST38hIt does not even appear to reflash anything important10:52
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johnxzap, did app manager tell you to reflash?10:52
zapand having to wait several hours for AppManager to download the old debs from extras & such10:52
zapjohnx: app manager told me to launch "Nokia PC suite" on PC10:53
zapbut I don't speak windows10:53
RST38hjohnx: Well, as I am not using Apple products, I won't either. But hopefulyl you will forgive me for cackling at the events :)10:53
johnxzap, if you looked at the 'problems' or 'installing' tab or whatever it would have told you what packages were conflicting that kept it from updating on the device10:53
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RST38hjohnx: And it will be 1-2 years, not 3-4, most likely10:54
johnxI bet if they lock it down, it'll be 10.810:54
zapperhaps because I had debs not from repos?10:54
johnx2-3 years between releases normally10:54
johnxand 10.7 is most of a year out still10:54
johnxzap, in my case I had installed a package that brought in lib-gles-1 which conflicted10:54
johnxafter removing that package and its dependencies, it let me install on the device10:55
alteregoHrm, I don't think Apple have enought market share in the "PC" market to be able to pull that off.10:55
johnxalterego, just like they didn't have the market share in the phone market to pull it off? ;)10:55
alteregoUnlike phone's I think laptops and desktops are easier for yuppies to move brand.10:55
RobbieThe1stKinda funny really - I think BootCamp is the -most- used Mac app out there.10:55
alteregoPhone is different, it's new shiny.10:56
* johnx shrugs10:56
zapjohnx: so, if the update deb finds some conflicting packages, it will propose you to reflash the whole device?10:56
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johnxif apple thinks it will sell more product, they'll keep 3rd party access. if they think it won't sell more product, they'll cut it out. simple as that10:56
tybolltjohnx: figures :P10:56
johnxzap, it seems like that10:56
tybollt apt-file10:56
tybolltThe program 'apt-file' is currently not installed.  To run 'apt-file' please ask your administrator to install the package 'apt-file'10:56
mecehmpf, is qtwrt still experimental? I thought it would be included in qt4.710:57
johnxtybollt, heh :D10:57
tybolltso I'll just install that then10:57
tybolltdidn't know about apt-file to be honest10:57
johnxneither did I until maybe half a year ago :)10:58
johnxtoo many commands to know all of them. just hang out on IRC and people point you at interesting stuff :)10:59
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JaffaMorning, all11:04
meceJaffa, 'ello11:04
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RobbieThe1stHey guys, can anyone help me out building a .deb package from a source package?11:07
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RobbieThe1stSo, I have py2deb making source-package stuff(.dsc and the .tar.gz) but making that into a .deb... The autobuilder's down, so I need to make it myself11:07
meceRobbieThe1st, I believe pypackager is recommended over py2deb11:08
RobbieThe1stNot sure how to use that...11:08
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meceRobbieThe1st, it's pretty much the same11:08
meceRobbieThe1st, regardless, don't change it now.11:08
mecejust unpack the tar11:08
RobbieThe1stlike, say dpkg-source -x ./file.dsc ./tmp11:09
meceRobbieThe1st, no, tar -xvf asdfasfd.tar.gz11:09
mecethen do fakeroot debian/rules binary and you'll have a deb11:09
meceassuming you have armel sdk running11:10
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RobbieThe1stThat's the problem - I'm trying to build a system-independant binary(python script stuff) on an amd64 debian system11:10
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meceRobbieThe1st, well it it's python, and you have architecture: all, you can build it on any system11:11
meceany system that has dpkg11:11
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RobbieThe1stI (used) "dpkg-buildpackage -B" and it built the package. I use dpkg-i on my n900... it installs11:11
RobbieThe1stBut, no new files exist11:12
RobbieThe1stThe files are -in- myn package11:12
meceRobbieThe1st, you make the kind of sense that is not11:12
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RobbieThe1stSorry. I have that deb package.11:12
RobbieThe1stI copied it over to my N900, ran "sudo gainroot", "dpkg -i ./backupmenu_0.50-1_all.deb"11:13
meceand it does nothing?11:13
RobbieThe1stIt says installing... complete(don't have exact message infront of me)11:13
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mecepy2deb is used, this is how you would do it:11:14
mececopy the files to their right place under, for example ./src/11:14
meceedit the (or whatever you call it)11:14
RobbieThe1stYea, I have that all working11:14
mecerun the buildscript11:14
mecethen unpack the tar file11:15
RobbieThe1stI know that works because I uploaded previous sources to the extras-devel repo11:15
mecethen do the buildpackage11:15
meceor debian/rules binary11:15
meceand that deb should work.11:15
RobbieThe1stThat's what I did. Can you take a look at that .deb file? It seems to have all the files it should11:15
RobbieThe1stlike, all the files in the data.tar.gz file..?11:16
meceok, and the files are not copied to the places they should or..=?11:16
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RobbieThe1stThat's the problem11:16
meceRobbieThe1st, could you send me the tar.gz file?11:16
meceor upload somewhere11:16
RobbieThe1stdpkg says "preparing to replace backupmenu..." "unpacking replacement" "setting up backupmenu.." and sure11:16
RobbieThe1stdsc file also:
RobbieThe1stThe file in question - especially - is /etc/bootmenu.d/backupmenu.item11:18
RobbieThe1stIt should be a one-line file11:19
meceRobbieThe1st, why is the line #mkdir -p "$(CURDIR)/debian/backupmenu/etc/bootmenu.d/" cpommented?11:20
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RobbieThe1stNo clue. I haven't touched that.11:22
meceoh.. ok11:22
meceoh well..11:22
RobbieThe1stBut that would explain something11:22
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meceafter you do buildpackage, you can check under the debian folder if the files are where they should be.11:22
meceunde debian/backupmenu/11:22
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RobbieThe1stWell, I'm not sure where it gets that either - the file should be in /etc/bootmenu.d/ - just like in the data.tar.gz11:23
meceoh my this 3 year old windows machine is really suffering when running a complete linux distro in virtualbox..11:23
mecewell, the whole source is copied to debian/backupmenu/11:24
meceand there you should find the whole structure11:24
mecewith ./usr/share and whatnot11:24
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RobbieThe1stHm... not there11:25
meceit's only there after you create a package.,11:25
mecetry running debian/rules binary11:25
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RobbieThe1stI think I just found the problem - I noticed that that file was marked as a "configuration file" in debian/conffile11:27
RobbieThe1stI did a "apt-get remove --purge backupmenu" then dpkg -i ./backupmenu.deb... worked11:28
RobbieThe1stThis brings up another question: how does it decide that something's a config file?11:29
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meceyeah, the tar file looks sound..11:29
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mecehere's some output:11:29
meceto check it it worked on the phone, just do ls -l /usr/share/backupmenu/ and see if the dates are current.11:31
mecedates on the files11:31
RobbieThe1stIn this case, I know it worked now - I'm guessing the problem was/is that that one file was a "configuration" file - and therefor not removed/overwritten with an install11:32
RobbieThe1stAnyway, it (more or less) works now, so thank11:33
RobbieThe1st*thanks a lot11:33
CreteilIs there a console command line utility to take a screenshot on the N900 ?11:34
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StskeepsX-Fade: ping11:40
RST38hEHLO Stskeeps11:40
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X-FadeStskeeps: pong11:44
StskeepsX-Fade: - bottom part is a little weird11:44
Stskeepsheh, that's a new one11:45
Stskeeps"!!!uboot-pr13 breaks the 3rd party package policy"11:45
X-FadeStskeeps: Yeah, well nobody normally gets messages like that. It is more of a debug for people ;)11:46
X-FadeStskeeps: So I guess the text doesn't match what it used to be pre chinook time or so.11:46
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andrewfblackanyone know a windows text editor that wont add ^m to lines.  I need ot work on some stuff at work but when ever I do I have ot go back and remove all the crap windows adds to text files11:53
Appiah andrewfblack11:54
Appiahthats what I use11:54
RobbieThe1stOr Geany11:55
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andrewfblackAppiah: any idea if I open some files already messed up in that then resave will it fix them?  I noticed the window end of line code doesn't show in it11:57
jacekowskiX-Fade: so, any news on repositories11:57
Appiahno idea andrewfblack11:58
X-Fadejacekowski: ?11:58
jacekowskiX-Fade: well, repositories were down yesterday11:58
jacekowskiX-Fade: what happened?11:59
X-Fadejacekowski: We're waiting for the ISP to explain what happened. Some servers rebooted at least.11:59
jacekowskiX-Fade: do you have rsync or something?11:59
jacekowskiso i could easily get full copy of repository12:00
X-Fadejacekowski: No.12:00
Termanaandrewfblack, I don't know what the other two recommended look like, but if you're just looking for a plain arse text editor like Notepad, check out Notepad++ in Unix mode. (and if you're working on code it does code highlighting)12:00
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X-Fadejacekowski: Akamai should cache the files, which it did. The problem was that the more dynamic files, didn't seem to get cached.12:02
X-Fadejacekowski: So the debs for instance were available, but not dir listings or Packages files etc.12:02
andrewfblackTermana: thanks12:02
lcukandrewfblack, "dos2unix" is an app to remove windows infection ;)12:02
psycho_oreos--strip-unneeded ;)12:03
jacekowskiX-Fade: any plans to mirror this stuff in future?12:03
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jacekowskiX-Fade: i could mirror it if you can provide some way of syncing it12:04
RobbieThe1stQuick question: I have a ash script with a loop: while [ -n '$(ps | grep "^ $pid")' ]; do  <- it works on my debian box with busybox's ash, but when I actually run the script, it doesn't exit the loop when $pid exits12:04
X-Fadejacekowski: No plans atm. Problem is that where the origin is located, I can't setup any sync.12:04
thpanyone knows where the code is that reacts on key presses on the desktop? (it starts the contact search)12:05
psycho_oreosjacekowski, I suppose you could use some hack like apt-mirror :) that's what I've used12:05
X-Fadejacekowski: So it needs quite some reorg/changes to get rsync access from outside.12:05
X-Fadewget mirror is proably also possible ;)12:05
psycho_oreoswget with lots of hacks.. might as well use the pre-made script, would save you heck alot of time trying to wring out every small little bug in custom wget command line12:06
X-Fadehehe, yeah.12:06
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summelare there instructions on how to install meego 1.1 on a pr 1.3 phone? i cant find any that are updated. and yes, i know it is not intended for end users but i dont use the n900 as a phone anymore just for testing my quassel stuff12:11
Stskeepssummel: is up to date.12:11
summelthx i try that then :)12:12
JaffaX-Fade: Presumably Nemein ticket #1546 is now in-progress (since no updates have come through since raising it)12:12
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summelStskeeps: but with these instructions i need a computer with the flasher to boot meego?12:14
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Stskeepssummel: right, we're working on the dualboot still12:14
Stskeepsi just uploaded first piece of the puzzle12:14
summeli thought 1.3 had support for that12:14
summeli hoped it would wrk like nitdroid does atm :/12:14
Stskeepssummel: newspapers says so much12:14
andrewfblackTermana: anyway to convert a file that already has windows crap in it to unix?12:15
summelso 1.3 was basically just a qt4 update? :S12:15
summelwith  a few small bugfixes12:15
summelnone of which i ever noticed... but the important bugs are still there12:15
Stskeepssummel: long story short there was a change in kernel related to kexec, but we don't want to use kexec12:15
summelso they added a feature that nobody wants to use12:15
summelyay for that :o12:15
Stskeepsdid you see the dual boot video?12:15
andrewfblacklcuk: thanks need it on n900 lol screwed up a bunch of tempalte files at work maybe no one will update from devel lol12:16
summelStskeeps: no, i only have dualboot with nitdroid atm12:16
summelwhere not everything works but the stuff that works works way better then on maemo12:17
summelthats bad :S12:17
jacekowski26.4 GiB will be downloaded into archive.12:17
jacekowskithat's more than i was expecting12:18
AppiahI'm happy that i can now lookup contacts in exchange that has other letters then a-z in their name12:18 repo? wait.. I think you're referring to fremantle part lol12:18
Appiahthat was a anoying bug for me12:18
jacekowskipsycho_oreos: full repo12:19
jacekowskipsycho_oreos: i mean extras + testing + devel12:19
jacekowskijust binary part12:19
psycho_oreosjacekowski, nah the full repo isn't that small, its well beyond 60GB12:19
summelStskeeps: i want it like they did in that video12:19
psycho_oreosoh but that's still fremantle dist :) I thought you also meant stuff from bora, chinook, etc12:20
jacekowskipsycho_oreos: nah it's all12:20
psycho_oreosjacekowski, yeah it shouldn't be that small afaik, its at least 60GB, I'll doublecheck with my old copy12:20
summelStskeeps: so i just use -f instead of -l and then it would work?12:22
summeli dont the maemo anyways :o12:22
Stskeepssummel: i would advise against that12:22
jacekowskishould be finished in couple minutes12:23
jacekowskiit's only fremantle part12:23
psycho_oreosI thought so lol12:23
summelhm the link on the video does not have any instructions at all :S12:24
Stskeepssummel: guess what we're working on12:24
summelso i just wait a few days then12:24
summelanyone knows if the n900-meego does support WPA2 networks?12:25
summelthe netbook version doesnt :S12:25
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psycho_oreoslol 110.4GB sitting on my hard disk for entire maemo deb repo mirrored from: 18/07/1012:25
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nid0summel, wpa2 is supported, afaik it just has problems with hidden ssid networks12:26
nid0which need to die anyway12:26
summelnid0: wpa2 enterprise also?12:26
jacekowskisummel: yes12:26
jacekowskisummel: with bit of trickery12:26
summeli wonder why the netbook version doesnt :S12:26
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jacekowskisomebody linked a program yesterday12:26
summeljacekowski: anything to read on that? :D12:27
summelah ok12:27
summeli read the logs then12:27
jacekowskior two days ago12:27
jacekowskii compiled it for him12:27
jacekowskiqt based stuff12:27
jacekowskisources are avaliable somewhere on internet12:27
summelthx :)12:27
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SkyscraperN900hello everybody13:19
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Venemo_N900hey guys13:20
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SkyscraperN900anyone know if theres an app which can perform actions like "activate wlan" based on celltower id?13:21
n900-spacei'm havin a hard time updating updating nokia qt sdk :(13:21
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Venemo_N900n900-space: what's the problem?13:22
n900-spacewell as i googled and found out my usual user on fedora 12 is not in the sudoers list13:23
n900-spacewas not13:23
Venemo_N900SkyscraperN900: I dunno of any, but there is an app called AutoDisconnect which may be of help13:23
n900-spaceand now i added it using one help page13:23
Venemo_N900n900-space: why do you want it to be?13:23
n900-spaceand now i have to download the whole ~500 mb again to update the qt creator and madde update that the sdk is showing13:23
SkyscraperN900venemo_n900 hm i want do disable wlan when not at home automatically because searching for wlans drains battery13:24
Venemo_N900n900-space: for me, the updater could do the update on F1313:24
n900-spaceVenemo_N900: i started the updater right, and after completely downloading it, it asked for my password and informed me that my user is not the in the sudoers list13:24
Venemo_N900SkyscraperN900: ah. well there is wi-fi switcher, but it is not automatic13:25
n900-spacei meant completely download the qt creator and madde update13:25
Venemo_N900n900-space: well I installed the SDK as a normal user13:25
Venemo_N900n900-space: and it did not require root permission when I updated it13:26
SkyscraperN900venemo_n900 yes. maybe i will start a new thread in forum... it should be possible to do it automatic by celltowerid?13:26
n900-spacesdk installed for for too Venemo_N900, but the update asked for the password and that after completion, and it discarded all the download :o13:27
n900-spacethat was not gud13:27
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n900-spaceall the download again on me slow internet13:27
Venemo_N900SkyscraperN900: well if you know of an API or call that can detect the cell tower id (or even better, a dbus signal for it), then yes13:27
Venemo_N900n900-space: huh... :(13:27
vdvnever thought, that i would ever look for a pdf2chm converter..13:27
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Venemo_N900vdv: why are you looking for one?13:28
n900-spacewhy vdv13:28
SkyscraperN900venemo_n900 theres an app called celltowerinfo which displays the id of the current "connected" celltower13:28
vdvbecause i have a lot of pdf's with wide page format13:29
zapbtw, does the name "MeeGo" have something with "me ego"? :)13:29
vdvand there's no pdf reader for maemo which supports reflow13:29
n900-spacehehe... zap .. i'm sure no13:29
Venemo_N900SkyscraperN900: well it it is open source, then it should be fairly easy13:29
Venemo_N900zap: old joke13:29
zapwell, I haven't heard it ^_^13:30
Venemo_N900vdv: hm, does neither of them support it? hm.13:30
vdvVenemo_N900, no13:30
Venemo_N900vdv: :(13:30
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Venemo_N900zap: :D13:31
SkyscraperN900venemo_n900 dont know if its OS13:31
vdvi've installed fbreader, it's cool, but it doesn't support pdf13:31
Venemo_N900zap: first appeared when the name was announced13:31
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Venemo_N900SkyscraperN900: do a google search on the app13:32
vdvso, reading pdf's on my n900 is very painfull at the moment13:32
Venemo_N900SkyscraperN900: many apps for Maemo are OSS, but many of them don't emphasize this13:32
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Venemo_N900vdv: well, I rarely read pdfs on mine, so I can't give you an advice13:33
zokierpdfs are not really meant to be reflowed, although it could be sometimes useful13:34
Venemo_N900zokier: yeah13:34
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Venemo_N900btw, this was the first weekend when I didn't bother to bring my laptop home with myself13:36
Venemo_N900the N900 was a very capable computer replacement :)13:36
n900-spacethats cool13:37
n900-spaceare your chatting on n900 right now?13:37
Venemo_N900yes, that's why my name is postfixed with _N90013:37
n900-spacei c13:37
Venemo_N900I'm on a train right now13:37
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Venemo_N900heading back to Budapest13:38
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psycho_oreoslol been there done that, I've tethered my n900 :p13:38
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n900-spaceVenemo_N900: my fingers sometimes get tired of chatting on n900's keyboard, i wish i cud replace its tiny keyboard with the one with a bit softer touch13:39
Venemo_N900SkyscraperN900: :)13:39
Venemo_N900SkyscraperN900: please remind me once I get home :)13:40
Venemo_N900n900-space: yeah. I only type with me thumbs on it13:40
SkyscraperN900venemo_n900 but theres no source ;( or i'm to idiot to find it xD13:40
n900-spaceme too13:40
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n900-spaceare your using xchat Venemo_N900?13:40
Venemo_N900n900-space: it needs some getting used to, but I can type on it almost as fast as on a laptop13:41
Venemo_N900n900-space: no, I use communi13:41
Venemo_N900SkyscraperN900: click on the scm tab13:41
n900-spacemy n900 has been away now for about a month :( .. i came back home after a contract ended, and my friend who has n97 wanted to experience n900, so i gave him for 2 weeks, and he posted gud review on it to my friends, and now another close friend said he wants it for a week too, and now he has it!13:42
yaccn900-space: well, pidgin makes a quite feasible irc client too.13:42
n900-spacei'm missing it so much13:42
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SkyscraperN900i'm using xchat@n900-space13:42
n900-space:o ... i havnt used communi,13:42
SkyscraperN900venemo_n900 ah ok... need git for n900 lol13:42
* n900-space notes down what he has to download next13:42
n900-spacexchat is so cool SkyscraperN90013:43
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SkyscraperN900n900-space i hate those colors13:43
yaccI wonder if there is some way to enter Fn-Sym from a x11vnc session? Or somehow fix the keymaps that entering all symbols directly is feasible?13:43
n900-spaceyou can edit them i guess13:43
Venemo_N900n900-space: well mine was away for 2 weeks (on repair)13:43
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Venemo_N900n900-space: I was getting by with an N95+N810 combo13:44
Venemo_N900n900-space: then they said they couldn't repair the N900...13:44
n900-spacen95 for phone and n810 as a computer13:44
Venemo_N900n900-space: so they replaced it with a new one13:44
n900-spaceawesome :)13:45
SkyscraperN900yacc can you use return key in x11vnc?13:45
Venemo_N900n900-space: and the N810 was able to use the N95's data connection13:46
Venemo_N900n900-space: how cool is that?13:46
n900-spacei know !13:47
Venemo_N900SkyscraperN900: could you paste this again prefixed with http:// ?13:47
Venemo_N900SkyscraperN900: I can't click on it this way13:47
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n900-spaceits was a remarkable thing by Nokia that they made these tablet products, turned out to be really gud for them13:48
Venemo_N900n900-space: yeah13:48
n900-spaceand for us13:48
yaccSkyscraperN900: yeah. x11vnc as is quite functional, but all the symbols that are on Fn-Sym are not directly typeable via vnc :(13:48
SkyscraperN900seems opera cropped http away13:48
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SkyscraperN900yacc i have to press ctrl-return to type return on n90013:49
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yaccSkyscraperN900: e.g. I'm currently chatting via my desktops keyboard and display :)13:49
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SkyscraperN900yacc i have done that those weekend for writing sms13:50
Venemo_N900SkyscraperN900: so it is basically a D-Bus call... cool!13:50
SkyscraperN900yacc but if display goes off i have to wake it up by touching hardware touchscreen13:50
yaccWell, for SMS I do need to hit the Send button via the mouse.13:51
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Venemo_N900SkyscraperN900: you can set it not to go in standby while charging13:51
yaccSkyscraperN900: the only thing that does not work greatly is the browser, it takes the mouse events and switches to mousepointer mode, hence making scrolling hard :(13:51
Venemo_N900SkyscraperN900: or if you're not charging it, use the brightness applet's setting to keep the screen on13:52
meceis there a particular reason why WSEGL_UseHWSync is 0?13:52
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Stskeepscos it doesn't work13:53
Venemo_N900mece: what is that?13:53
Stskeepssimple as that13:53
Venemo_N900Stskeeps: lol13:53
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Skyscraper09that was my n900 battery13:55
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Venemo_N900Skyscraper09: heh13:55
meceStskeeps, does nothing?13:55
Skyscraper09venemo_n900 what have you written?13:55
Stskeepsmece: the implementation is first in later drivers13:55
meceStskeeps, do the drivers exist?13:56
Stskeepssure they do, didn't you see thp's video?13:56
Venemo_N900Skyscraper09: the brightness applet can make it keep the screen on, so you won't have trouble with it with x11vnc13:56
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mecewhat video who?13:56
Skyscraper09venemo_n900 i have found a dbus call to hold screen on... so i start a simple "" with dbus-call and 15 sec sleep xD works!13:57
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n900-space:( my sdk update completed, reported the hash was not correct, so i clicked on retry, and now again i'm at the download sccreen showing download is 100% complete, but nothing is happening!13:58
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meceStskeeps, heh I was talking about maemo13:58
Skyscraper09venemo_n900 can i find out the celltowerid via dbus-send in xterm?13:58
* n900-space glares at Qt !13:58
Stskeepsmece: oh, out of luck then, too old kernel for this kind of stuff13:58
Venemo_N900n900-space: well sounds like you'd better off completely uninstalling it13:59
meceStskeeps, so the driver doesn't support it?13:59
Stskeepsmece: driver doesn't support it and neither does DSS2 in kernel13:59
ham5whats a url for info on whats in the power user kernel?13:59
meceStskeeps, so setting it to 1 does nothing13:59
ham5just overclocking ?13:59
Stskeepsshouldn't, at least when i tried it, i still saw tearing13:59
Venemo_N900Skyscraper09: yes, with some dbus tool using the stuff from that .py code13:59
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crashanddieStskeeps: looks like meego is what maemo 5 should've been14:05
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crashanddieit looks good. Shame Nokia missed the mark by approx 2 years14:05
crashanddiere: that video you linked14:05
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rokr1hello all14:05
rokr1how can i get the PR1.1 keyboard in PR1.314:06
Venemo_N900crashanddie: yes, but if only someone told me if there's going to be multiple homescreens/homescreen widgets on meego14:06
Skyscraper09venemo_n900 dbus-send --system --print-reply /com/nokia/phone/net get_registration_status  --- doesnt work. whats wrong?14:06
rokr1PR1.2 and PR1.3 virtual keyboard is Aweful14:06
Venemo_N900crashanddie: noone could answer this question yet14:06
Venemo_N900Skyscraper09: I dunno, never used the command line dbus tool14:07
Venemo_N900rokr1: hardware kb rocks14:07
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rokr1i dont want to use hardware keyboard often14:07
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Venemo_N900rokr1: why not?14:08
rokr1i just dont like to use it often no reason14:08
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Venemo_N900rokr1: well I prefer to use it much14:09
rokr1remove this PR1.3 being released slowly but surely. Be patient14:09
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rokr1venemo r u using telenor ??14:10
rokr1Venemo -> sound suppressor on14:11
rokr1where r u ?14:11
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rokr1anyone here who uses mugen battery ??14:12
BluesLeeMohammadAG51: ping14:12
rokr12400mAh battery ?14:12
Venemo_N900rokr1: telenor Hungary14:12
rokr1wats the Download bandwith14:13
rokr1bandwidth ?14:13
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rokr1nice name "Blueslee"14:14
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Skyscraper09venemo_n900 i think it should be possible. but dont know if any other think its usefull to enable/disable wlan triggered by celltowerid to save batterylife14:15
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BluesLeerokr1: its just a name ...14:15
Venemo_N900rokr1: 5GB14:15
rokr1very funny venemo14:16
Venemo_N900Skyscraper09: well it is a fairly easy thing to implement, since we have both things, we just need to combine them14:16
Skyscraper09venemo_n900 its to hard for me to develop an app which can do that :/14:16
Venemo_N900rokr1: why?14:16
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BluesLeedoes someone use the modified hildon desktop variants of mohammad, thp, matan ...?14:16
rokr1i asked the download speed14:17
Venemo_N900rokr1: ah, sorry14:17
Venemo_N900rokr1: well I'm in the middle of nowhere right now, but in the city, it can download with 1-1.5 Mbit/s14:17
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Venemo_N900rokr1: sometimes even more14:18
Skyscraper09venemo_n900 i think its very easy for an good devloper ;) but not for me14:18
Venemo_N900Skyscraper09: that's why I said remind me when I got home14:18
Skyscraper09venemo_n900 i'll do it :D14:18
Venemo_N900BluesLee: I use the Hildon-Desktop from MohammadAG's repo14:18
Skyscraper09venemo_n900 when you'll be at home?14:19
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Venemo_N900Skyscraper09: yeah, eg when the _N900 won't be there :)14:19
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Venemo_N900Skyscraper09: I'm on a train right now, and I don't have my laptop with me either14:20
BluesLeeVenemo_N900: the "kinetic" one ... i use it too but i am also interested in the one from thp14:20
Venemo_N900BluesLee: well this is not that one14:20
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Skyscraper09venemo_n900 ok14:21
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Venemo_N900BluesLee: this is upstream Hildon-desktop with a newer version numer than the one in PR 1.314:21
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BluesLeeVenemo_N900: okay .. mohammad has included all of the patches in one package unfortunately only for pr 1.2, see
Venemo_N900~seen fcrochik14:22
rokr1the only thing to notice in PR1.3 is battery power management is enhanced14:22
infobotfcrochik <> was last seen on IRC in channel #meego, 1d 19h 7m ago, saying: 'niala: yes...that is what I am trying to follow. That is what I get when I try to create the target using the handset image: Can not find qt installation in meego-handset-sdk-20101012-'.14:22
rokr1guys any one who uses Mugen battery14:23
rokr1can anyone tell me if its worth buying !14:23
Venemo_N900BluesLee: well I'm using the one from the community SSU repo14:24
Skyscraper09i have to go offline14:24
Venemo_N900Skyscraper09: bye14:24
rokr1chu chu14:24
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BluesLeeVenemo_N900: you mean from devel?14:26
Venemo_N900BluesLee: no, I mean from the community SSU repo14:26
Venemo_N900BluesLee: see #maemo-ssu if interested14:27
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BluesLeeVenemo_N900: you mean
Venemo_N900BluesLee: again, no...14:28
Venemo_N900BluesLee: see the topic of #maemo-ssu14:28
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Venemo_N900alterego: ping14:29
Venemo_N900~seen alterego14:30
infobotalterego <~t.swindel@> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 3h 34m 47s ago, saying: 'Phone is different, it's new shiny.'.14:30
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BluesLeeVenemo_N900: okay, now i got it ...14:32
Venemo_N900BluesLee: :)14:32
BluesLeeVenemo_N900: the community ssu repo was formerly known as
Venemo_N900BluesLee: formerly yes :)14:34
BluesLeeVenemo_N900: i dont know if i should add it14:34
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Venemo_N900BluesLee: use the install file if you want it, that should do it14:34
BluesLeeVenemo_N900: i am interested in the patch of thp + faster kinetic scrolling14:35
Venemo_N900BluesLee: well then use that one14:35
BluesLeeVenemo_N900: there is no package for both for pr 1.3 yet afaik14:35
Venemo_N900BluesLee: well then contact MohammadAG :)14:36
BluesLeeVenemo_N900: the one you installed from c-ssu has faster kinetic scrolling included?14:36
Venemo_N900BluesLee: yes, I think so14:37
alteregoVenemo_N900: pong14:37
BluesLee~seen MohammadAG5114:38
infobotmohammadag51 <~MohammadA@Maemo/community/contributor/MohammadAG> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 14h 19m 35s ago, saying: 'night peeps'.14:38
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Venemo_N900crap, I got disconnected14:39
Venemo_N900alterego: do you know of a way to implement a task switcher button for a fulscreen Qt Maemo app?14:39
Venemo_N900alterego: fullscreen*14:40
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alteregoI believe it's a dbus call14:41
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alteregoLook at the source for camkeyd14:41
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Kaadlajkguess that is still valid14:42
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vltRis it possible to run apps from on n900?14:42
Venemo_N900alterego, Kaadlajk: thx14:43
Venemo_N900vltR: it depends14:43
alteregovltR: not really, because they're all compiled for x8614:44
summeljacekowski: does that binary also work with the netbook version?14:44
alteregoWe have VLC, xchat, wireshark and a load of those in the repositories14:44
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vltRdo we have XBMC?14:44
alteregoI don't know, have a look14:45
vltRwe dont14:45
vltR; [14:45
alteregoWell, port it then14:45
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vltRteach me =d14:46
alteregoRead a book14:46
vltRgive me a title =d14:46
CreteilIt seem I have finally done it : :-)14:46
keriothe catcher in the rye14:46
summeli cant believe that meego on netbooks still does not support WPA2 networks :O14:47
Creteilsummel, is it a joke ?14:48
summelCreteil: i wish it was :S14:48
Venemo_N900summel: LOL!!14:48
summelthats why i dont know if i like meegon on the n90014:48
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summelthey have so many features missing14:48
summeland so many bugs that dont get fixed14:49
Venemo_N900why don't you bring this up on #meego14:49
iliusvltR: does not VLC (qvlc, rvlc and cvlc) do what you want?14:49
summeland all they did in the last years was switching to rpm and making a new GUI :S14:49
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summelVenemo_N900: i did. they dont care14:49
Venemo_N900summel: :(14:49
Venemo_N900summel: it's their loss14:49
summelmeego is so useless without wpa2 support14:49
Venemo_N900anyway, I'll be off14:50
summelthe 2 wifis i use most have wpa2 personal and wpa2 enterprise14:50
Venemo_N900will get back here once I get home14:50
Venemo_N900bye folks!14:50
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PaulFertserWhat's the reason for wpa_supplicant to not work on n900?14:51
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X-Fadewpa2 works fine for me on meego on N900.14:52
jacekowskisummel: probably now14:52
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jacekowskisummel: probably no*14:52
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jacekowski13:52 < Ether_Man> beware, except the overhead in HTTP is on the transfer..  FTP uses UDP for data14:54
MohammadAG51X-Fade, i see you're back14:54
* MohammadAG51 gets a stick :P14:55
X-FadeMohammadAG51: So no use hiding? ;)14:55
MohammadAG51why have the repos been down14:55
jacekowskinot here14:55
X-FadeMohammadAG51: Some servers were down, waiting for full explanation from ISP.14:55
PaulFertserX-Fade: (wpa_supplicant) what about the stock maemo kernel, why's that folks say wpa2 is not available?14:56
X-FadePaulFertser: wpa2 in maemo 5 works just fine, although it is not using wpa_supplicant.14:57
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MohammadAG51it uses some icd2 stuff14:58
PaulFertserX-Fade: is the driver crippled or what? I still can't understand why wpa_supplicant is not used.14:58
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X-FadePaulFertser: Because Nokia uses their own solution.14:58
MohammadAG51the driver is fully open source14:59
PaulFertserX-Fade: ok, sorry for being unclear. Why do not Maemo5 users employ wpa_supplicant on n900 for their wireless connectivity needs?14:59
MohammadAG51icd2 is used so the device can switch from 3G to wifi seamlessly14:59
X-FadePaulFertser: No idea.14:59
MohammadAG51or the opposite14:59
MohammadAG51anyways, all apps use it, switching to icd2 won't be nice15:00
MohammadAG51actually, nvm, it should be nice, works in sdk15:00
X-FadeMohammadAG51: I saw the xterm popup now with the updated enabler.15:01
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MohammadAG51X-Fade, yep, fixed it15:01
MohammadAG51i call a script which calls a script now15:02
X-FadeMohammadAG51: Ah, very hackish :)15:02
MohammadAG51X-Fade, i also wanted to push matan's patches into hildon-desktop15:02
MohammadAG51but the repo was down15:02
X-FadeMohammadAG51: yeah, was fixed early this morning.15:03
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X-Fadeachipa: ping?15:04
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achipaX-Fade: ^^15:06
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X-Fadeachipa: Should we fast-track web2sms because it only needed a rebuild for 1.3 (qt modules incompat thingie)15:06
MohammadAG51and fmradio i think15:06
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X-FadeEvery affected app then :)15:07
MohammadAG51fast track the repo :P15:07
X-FadeWould really want to see the whole repo in OBS. Then all this would have been so easy.15:08
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achipaX-Fade: as far as I'm concerned, we can fasttrack rebuilds15:09
tobis87jacekowski: Hi, Do you have any idea, how to mirror the nokia binary repo? Debmirror doesn't seem to support https.15:09
GAN900tobis87, you're not supposed to.15:09
FauxFauxSurely debmirror eventually falls back to curl or wget?15:10
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tobis87GAN900: Just as a backup.15:10
achipaX-Fade: also, kill that libsdl-ttf thingy, there is no point in keeping it around now that nok does a 'provides' for it15:11
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MohammadAG51tobis87, you're not supposed to :P15:13
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fwixhello :)15:13
mecehmm could someone point me towards instructions on how to make a chroot under MyDocs that I can mount from /opt/ or something like that? I forget how it was done. my home is a little full.15:15
X-Fadeachipa: libsdl-ttf2.0-0, right?15:15
MohammadAG51X-Fade, while you're handling the repos, i still see psfreedom in non-free, and the description is old15:15
tobis87MohammadAG51: :-(15:15
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achipaX-Fade: correct15:16
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fwixI've flashed with teh PR1.3 and I'm trying to install SMSCON, python2.5-qt4 is needeed and seems to be avalaible only for PR1.215:17
fwixwhat can I do ?15:17
achipaa) wait15:17
MohammadAG51b) wait more15:17
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MohammadAG51isn't python2.5-qt4 a full package, i.e not to be depended upon?15:18
achipaMohammadAG51: well it used to be15:18
achipabut am not so sure any more15:18
achipaas qt packages have migrated to /opt15:19
achipaand HAM is broken so you can get yourself into an un-updateable position15:19
achipawhich could be avoided with python2.5-qt415:19
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MohammadAG51HAM doesn't use dpkg the way it's used to15:22
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MohammadAG51seems like it uses dpkg --force-all15:22
MohammadAG51resuling in broken deps15:22
fwixyes, I prefer to wait than to force15:22
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MohammadAG51you have no other options in HAM :P15:23
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lardmanhi chaps15:26
RST38hAnd hey MohammadAG. Have you got a PR1.3-compatible version of hildon-desktop and friends?15:26
RST38hmoo lardman15:26
lardmananyone use Bluemaemo? Does the hw kb work for you?15:26
RST38hworked for me15:26
* lardman is teaching this week and the presentation laptop is so far away from the students he needs to shout15:26
lardmanhmm, didn't do anything for me on the N90015:27
MohammadAG51lardman, no, the HW kbd doesn't work15:27
MohammadAG51you have to use the on screen one15:27
lardmanoh, drat15:27
lardmanthanks for the confirmation MohammadAG5115:27
* lardman wonders if he can fix it while he eats lunch15:28
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lardmanah, apparently pressing the power button makes it work15:31
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lardmanProbably best to port it to use pyQt rather than that e-business anyway15:32
MohammadAG51X-Fade, should a notice be added to the community enabler?15:32
X-FadeMohammadAG51: I think that would be good.15:32
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SouBEhow can I chek which PR version I've got on my N900?15:33
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ham5soube, settings my nokia15:33
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MohammadAG51X-Fade, hmm, GUI or terminal?15:33
ham5settings about product my bad15:33
X-FadeMohammadAG51: The eula thing?15:33
RST38h6 days uptime, time to reboot...15:33
MohammadAG51something like that15:33
RST38h(and, by the way, PR1.3 has not fixed the performance problem)15:34
MohammadAG51maemo-confirm-text is annoying though15:34
X-FadeMohammadAG51: Most people will use HAM, so yeah.15:34
mecehello.. could someone who understands this stuff tell me if this method of loopback mounting is correct:
X-FadeMohammadAG51: Well it is a one time only thing. If everything is ok, this will never update.15:34
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SouBEham5: is version 10.2010.19-1 the same as PR 1.3?15:34
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X-FadeMohammadAG51: And for testers, it is not a big deal.15:34
MohammadAG51X-Fade, that would work I suppose :)15:34
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ham519-1 is 1.215:34
MohammadAG51i forgot we're using an install file15:35
ham536-2 is pr 1.315:35
MohammadAG51sent two packages to the repo15:35
eranihas anyone else noticed that 3g connection disconnects rather often/easily after the pr 1.3 update?15:35
SouBEham5: thanks15:35
RST38hMohammad: One more time: what is the community SSU status with respect to PR1.3? New packages online?15:36
SouBEI wonder when PR1.3 arrives to my handset15:36
tobis87mece: Do you have patched libhildonfm for pr1.3?15:36
mecetobis87, no, sorry15:37
lardmanhey X-Fade, how's things?15:37
X-Fadelardman: hi. Good, I guess ;)15:38
lardmanbusy then? ;)15:38
tobis87mece: Do you plan to do so? Or is there still the problem which causes the reboots.15:38
X-Fadelardman: Yeah, enough to do between maemo and meego.15:38
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RST38hX-Fade: Has FBReader 0.12.* been pushed by Nikolay Pultsin?15:40
mecetobis87, I haven't looked at it in a bit. the problems were caused by a memory leak I think. not sure, but that's the thing I figured caused it, because I (needlessly) used a temp variable that I forgot to del. I never got around to try fix it.15:44
mecetobis87, if I can find the thing I could fix it I guess. I'll have to reinstall my sdk and whatnot. I'll have a gander at some point. Not today though.15:44
X-FadeRST38h: By rob1n.15:44
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sevardAny international users here?  I'm trying to find the sms email gateway for turkcell15:46
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Myrttiare you sure there is one15:46
tobis87mece: Ok, that would be nice.15:46
sevardMyrtti: There is one that I've used in the past15:47
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RST38hX-Fade: rob1n broke book list =(15:48
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RST38hAnd the application menu too, apparently15:50
meceoh man, how long can it take to write 2 billion 0's?15:50
sevardassuming one digit per second 23,148.1481 days15:51
MohammadAGmece, dd on N900?15:51
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* MohammadAG would say a day15:51
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ham5can I add a waypoint or landmark in maps??15:53
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crashanddiesevard: "international users?"15:56
meceMohammadAG, we'll see. Yawn15:57
sevardcrashanddie: I'm trying to find the sms email gateway for turkcell15:57
crashanddiesevard: yes, I read that. But in what sense? To send an email using an sms or an sms using an email?15:58
GAN900Did MicroB's tap detection get worse?15:58
meceMohammadAG, fun tiems when writing to vfat causes the whole device to lock up.15:58
X-FadeHmm Nokia Z500 MeeGo tablet, sounds nice.15:58
crashanddiesevard: most networks deactivated the sms-to-email services.15:58
crashanddiesevard: call the customer service and ask15:58
meceX-Fade, I agree, but just the name doesn't really tell us much now does it.15:59
MohammadAGmece, it's not vfat,  it's the retarded MMC ;)15:59
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MohammadAGwell, how the device handles writing to the MMC15:59
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MohammadAGconnect the device over mass storage and do the same command15:59
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MyrttiMohammadAG: that doesn't necessarily show anything radical16:00
MohammadAGMyrtti, my device crashed when dding 2GBs, and it finished in 3 hours16:00
MohammadAGover mass storage, it was done in less than 5 minutes16:01
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MyrttiMohammadAG: did some file transfers with my N95, hooked the phone with cable, mass storage mode, wrote to the SD card about 80 pictures, 2M each, took about 1.5h16:01
Myrttitook the SD card out the phone, put it into a card reader, hooked it up directly, took about 5 minutes16:02
RST38hMyrtti: Something is wrong.16:02
Myrttior "similar ridiculously short time"16:02
sevardcrashanddie: I don't speak turkish well enough :)16:02
MohammadAGthe N95 is slow over USB16:02
MyrttiRST38h: yeah, N9516:02
MohammadAGvery very slow16:02
RST38hMyrtti: Even with N95 it should not take this long16:02
MohammadAGI used to get less than 1MB/s16:02
RST38hTakes several times less time with E7016:02
MohammadAGRST38h, nope, the N95 is VERY slow16:03
tybolltsyncing gmail mailboxes16:03
tybolltit's been at it for a week consecutive - still got one full year to go ;)16:03
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GAN900X-Fade, probably Intel. Which mostly makes it silly.16:04
X-FadeGAN900: Yeah probably Atom Z500 ;)16:04
GAN900I can't take things with idle time counted in hours seriously.16:04
MyrttiI've lost count on how many times I've wanted to use the N95 as a door stop within past two weeks16:05
RST38hGet an N900 already16:05
RST38hOr that supercheap Android phone ($150?)16:06
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tybolltRST38h: which one?16:06
MohammadAGMyrtti, you don't have an N900?16:06
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MyrttiRST38h: no thanks, I'll just wait until my Nexus One comes from service. It's stuck in their queue now, they're probably checking out have I stolen it or something, since I couldn't produce them a warranty certificate16:06
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MyrttiMohammadAG: couldn't bare to pay so much for it16:06
tybolltthe n900 cost nothing these days16:07
tobis87What I hate the most is that Intel now only supports ECC with Xeon's.16:07
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Myrttitybollt: it still costs more than my Nexus One did :-P16:07
MohammadAGisn't the N900 350 bucks or sth?16:07
RST38hMyrtti: Well, at least they have taken it in for repair, I gather...16:07
* MohammadAG found it for 300 somewhere around here16:08
Creteilneed help, when hellanzb finished downloading, I have an msg to the screen, but I want to keep the message on the screen until I click on a button 'Ok' for example, actually the message appear and disappear when I click on it to see ...16:08
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RST38hcrash: Yes, yesss, YESSS16:41
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* MohammadAG needs one tester, requirements, PR1.3 and N90016:50
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flexxxvhy guys. have an unusal question: where can I I get infos about how many mips the ARM1176JZ has?17:01
GAN900crashanddie, I don't see anything to take issue with there. :P17:01
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Juozapashow to enable text-select mode in browser?17:06
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GAN900Juozapas, swipe from the left bezel onto the screen about one third of the way from the bottom.17:12
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ebzzryAw, I'm reflashing (both system and emmc) for the fourth time since I tried out PR 1.3. There are some apps I need from -devel, and when I reboot after I install them, the device won't boot.17:12
ebzzryI'll try to shortlist it to find out what among these apps is the culprit.17:12
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MohammadAGwhy emmc...17:13
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JuozapasGAN900: thx man17:14
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ebzzryMohammadAG: It won't work just by flashing PR 1.3 only.17:15
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ebzzryMohammadAG: I have been insisting on just flashing the system only, when kerios pointed out to me to try to flash the emmc too.17:15
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GAN900ebzzry, that sounds like a problem.17:21
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ebzzryGAN900: Yes, it is.17:21
GAN900There's usually no reason to flash the eMMC.17:21
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ebzzryI have discussed this issue with others before.17:21
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ebzzryUsually, there's no need since it is suppose to be separate from the system.17:21
ebzzryThe first time I flashed with PR 1.3, I got stuck at the six glowing circles.17:22
ebzzryThen I tried to flash the same image again, with no luck.17:22
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ebzzryI asked help from people, main the ones from this #, and they advised me to flash the eMMC, too. And so I did.17:22
ebzzryIt somehow worked.17:22
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ebzzryIt could be a case of, post hoc ergo propter hoc, but it made my device boot properly.17:23
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ebzzryI don't mind, except for the humongus restore of MyDocs everytime I do it.17:24
ebzzryI better find out what -devel apps is the culprit, RSN.17:25
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crashanddieebzzry: stop the fucking monologue, bro.17:29
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DocScrutinizertoo sleepy to skim backscroll. What's state of things with repos?17:32
DocScrutinizerseen X-Fade around17:32
MohammadAGfixed, fix the status17:32
MohammadAGerr, topic17:32
tybolltif I had said that you would have flogged me and left me to rot behind the barn17:32
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*** DocScrutinizer changes topic to "Welcome to #maemo | | Maemo Community Council | | | PR1.3 being released slowly but surely. Be patient. DO NOT apt-get -dist-upgrade! See ~pr1.3"17:33
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infobothmm... pr1.3 is the latest (and probably last) software update for Fremantle, available since Monday October 25 2010. More information at -- see ~flashing for how to update17:34
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* MohammadAG wonders how to announce the SSU17:35
X-FadeMohammadAG: I'd say not yet.17:35
DocScrutinizer[ANNOUNCE] There's a community SSU now17:35
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MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, kthxbye17:36
X-FadeMohammadAG: Better test it for a while. Try an update etc.17:36
MohammadAGX-Fade, how come?17:36
X-FadeMohammadAG: Onve you are live, you can't mess with it.17:36
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MohammadAGX-Fade, well, in order to test you need testers :)17:36
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X-FadeMohammadAG: Oh, yes you do. But I guess a talk topic should work for that? :) Or -devel?17:37
RST38hMohammad: Just tell us about it right here17:37
RST38hSkip on the rest17:37
MohammadAGtalk isn't for testers17:37
MohammadAGit's for anyone who gets excited over new posts17:38
DocScrutinizererrm, yes17:38
tybolltSpeedEvil: no yodeling - this is a family establishment!17:39
* tybollt threatens to slap SpeedEvil w/ MohammadAG 17:40
* MohammadAG kicks tybollt in his balls17:40
tybolltMohammadAG: hello to you too :)17:41
MohammadAGX-Fade, wouldn't -community be better?17:42
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X-FadeMohammadAG: Well, it might be better to target people with technical knowledge for this one.17:43
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MohammadAGhmm, -developers it is17:44
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DocScrutinizerwhat's wrong with #maemo for that?17:48
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MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, mailing lists, not -devel17:48
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MohammadAGX-Fade, message sent, I hope I don't f up the mailing lists18:05
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MohammadAGsigh, wtf :/18:07
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MohammadAGwhy did it reply instead of making a new topic18:07
X-FadeMohammadAG: Got it.18:07
X-FadeMohammadAG: Did you hit reply in your mail client and then wrote a new message?18:08
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MohammadAGno, I used, and composed a new message18:09
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X-FadeMohammadAG: Headers look ok, I guess that will fix itself once there are more mails.18:10
X-FadeAnyway, have to go for a while. bbl18:11
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nid0MohammadAG: The first reply to your message isnt exactly promising of some of the people reading -developers :<18:21
MohammadAGindeed, already saw it18:22
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sivangMohammadAG: the enabler package sets up the GPG key so the packages would be trusted?18:26
tybolltnid0: do elabor<te18:26
* sivang was wondering what the enabler package does18:26
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nid0tybollt: well MohammadAG posted an announcement for the community SSU on -developers to try to avoid the "omg updatezz" crowd on tmo and get some meaningful testing18:27
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nid0first reply he got on the mailing list asked him what an SSU is and what HAM is.18:27
tybolltso hide this -developers list better ;)18:27
MohammadAGsivang, yes18:28
tybolltlike, by invitation only18:28
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MohammadAGwtf is wrong with HAM18:29
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MohammadAGpiece of shit18:29
MohammadAGit says I need to upgrade my device using pc suite18:29
MohammadAGI'm the owner of this damn repo18:29
pwnguinquick, uninstall things18:29
MohammadAGwell, maintainer18:29
tybolltMohammadAG pwns us all18:29
sivangMohammadAG: bah18:30
pwnguinanyone connecting maemo to zimbra?18:30
sivangMohammadAG: but nice work nonetheless, you wouldn't believe the quirks debian packaging has18:30
sivangMohammadAG: I'd hate to think how that manifests into HAM18:30
sivangMohammadAG: I worked on a python software the last couple of days, the packaging for lenny was the real pain18:30
sivangand I'm a veteran python packager, although been a while since I did a daemon18:31
MohammadAGpackaging is easy18:31
sivangMohammadAG: try to package a setutools project that install a daemon :)18:32
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MohammadAGsivang, copy needed stuff where you need it, copy init.d script to /etc/init.d, use start <name>18:32
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sivangMohammadAG: and demonize properly so you can get exit codes through the shell from the demonized process!18:32
sivangMohammadAG: That's what I thought, but no :-)18:33
sivangMohammadAG: copy, put init script, done18:33
sivangMohammadAG: but dh_installinit has a life of its own!18:33
sivangMohammadAG: so these days on lenny, you need to make sure you init is called *after* update-python-modules $module has been executed18:34
sivangMohammadAG: because dh auto sequence got it all wrong18:34
sivangguess how much time to find this out..18:34
sivangMohammadAG: and one dd says it is a bug, other says "feature, works as expected" :-p18:36
MohammadAG5 minutes with proper googling18:36
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sivangMohammadAG: r i g h t...18:36
MohammadAGor use man18:36
sivangMohammadAG: HAHAHA18:36
sivangman he says :)18:36
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sivangdon't you think I do that?18:36
sivangthe right thing, was to read in the readme file of the stupid python-support package :)18:37
sivangbut since i had google, I was sure google was bound to have this info!18:37
sivangthe internet is dumbing us18:37
sivangand no man page of either of the scripts mention anything about it18:37
sivangonly about target overrides18:37
sivangwhich is , mostly useless given the dh auto sequence is there to relieve you from writing targets.18:38
E0xwhat is and what do the SmartReflex  thing ( /sys/power/sr_vdd1_autocomp , /sys/power/sr_vdd2_autocomp ) ?18:38
jacekowskidon't touch it18:39
jacekowskiit's not working18:39
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E0xthx , but do ? power consumption better control ?18:41
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jacekowskiit's broken automatic voltage controll18:46
jacekowskibut it's not fast enough18:46
jacekowskiand processor hangs/resets does strange things18:46
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GAN900Who the hell comes into an independent bookstore looking for a Kindle. . . .18:47
sivanghey jacekowski18:47
jacekowskisivang: hey18:47
nid0GAN900: someone whos been told "kindles are teh future of bookz!" without understanding its an amazon product18:48
sivangbah, I like paper books. There's no replacement18:50
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jacekowskisivang: esspecialy search in paper books18:50
jacekowskiif you want to find some info quickly18:51
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DocScrutinizerE0x: so simple aswer is "yes, better power conservation (not very much). Alas doesn't work, unless that patch in PR1.3 kernel did something about it"18:51
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JaffaGAN900: It's not unreasonable that Amazon *could* do retailer channels18:55
DocScrutinizerjacekowski: isn't it funny how Nokia justifiably disables SR and same time the "real specialists" decide to "tweak power profiles to ultra-low, for better battery life" :-P18:55
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JaffaGAN900: My grandparents saw my Kindle at the weekend, and they could - conceivably - go into a shop asking for more info (they wouldn't)18:56
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nid0seems pretty unlikely a bookstore would ever want to sell kindles, even if amazon offered them18:57
nid0"hi we're a bookstore, you can buy books from us or this absolutely 100% competing product that means youll never ever buy a book from us again"18:57
jacekowskiDocScrutinizer: well, smartreflex is there, and IMO nokia should make that work18:58
JaffaWould depend on profit margin, and they could start moving into assisting with self-publishing of local authors etc. Referrals from Amazon etc.18:58
sivangDocScrutinizer: what's SR?18:58
jacekowskiDocScrutinizer: or somebody else18:58
* Jaffa shrugs.18:58
SpeedEvil1The kindle is quite awesome.18:58
sivangjacekowski: well, searching through paper books forces you to think a bit more, the interenet is dumbing us :)18:58
SpeedEvil1But - it's not quite as compelling as it might be.18:58
sivangI'd rather read books on WeTab18:58
DocScrutinizernid0: why not? Here in Germany the Gas stations sell grocery goods now, as they don't make a living from Gas. Why wouldn't a bookstore sell Kindle and have internet to "fuel" it?18:58
SpeedEvil1I'm reading on my n900 quite often, in preference to my kindle.18:59
sivangSpeedEvil1: yes, it is nice to have it on N900, but it is very small18:59
Jaffasivang: Not when your eyes start bleeding and your wrist breaks ;-)18:59
nid0DocScrutinizer: buying groceries from a gas station doesnt mean you wont ever go there to buy gas ever again, it does the opposite and upsales extra products to you when you go there.18:59
GAN900Jaffa, oh, yeah, let me sell you this and you'll never buy another thing here again. ;)18:59
sivangJaffa: well, if you're a med major then no :)18:59
MohammadAG51how do i request system standby over ssh?18:59
sivangJaffa: or using Advanced Unix Programming18:59
* Jaffa likes his Kindle for the larger screen and the pushing of content to it over whispernet19:00
sivangMohammadAG: nice19:00
Jaffasivang: Well, true19:00
nid0DocScrutinizer: Conversely, you can only buy kindle books from amazon. So, a book store sells you a kindle, you're going to go to amazon for all your books from then on, and never go to the book store again.19:00
SpeedEvil1Simply as I can set the n900 down all the way in brightness, and with the kindle, I need to arrange some sort of task-light. Oh - and it's too big for me to just watch/read comfortably in bed.19:00
DocScrutinizernid0: I can see same effect with eBooks and paper copies19:00
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GAN900I've had people ask if we sell ebooks for the Kindle, too.19:00
SpeedEvilGAN900: you work at a bookshop?19:00
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GAN900'course the independent used stores are the only ones going to come out of the ebook revolution in one piece.19:01
GAN900The chains are putting themselves out of business.19:01
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SpeedEvilGAN900: For now.19:01
GAN900SpeedEvil, yeah, biggest in the South East US.19:01
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SpeedEvilGAN900: I have 3000 paper books.19:02
SpeedEvilGAN900: If I could easily dump them on amazon, I would.19:02
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SpeedEvilGAN900: Today I went through a box of textbooks, and put out a lot for composting.19:02
SpeedEvil'Programmers guide to the EGA/VGA card'19:02
GAN900The correct end for most academic publications.19:02
sivanglo alterego19:03
SpeedEvilAnd beginning electronics books.19:03
alteregoHallo :)19:03
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SpeedEvilIf I forget what an opamp is, I'm going to have more problems than not having the book in question.19:03
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KaffeeJunky123What navigation software do you use for car navigation, without a network connection?19:04
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sivangKaffeeJunky123: I had a very poor gps back then, today it is mostly Maep19:04
SpeedEvilMostly off-topic.19:04
DocScrutinizergiven you own a car19:04
sivangbut yes, off topic19:04
SpeedEvilI've found my garden shredder works really well to shred paper.19:05
sivang(and the car is to be sold since I can't hold it anymore)19:05
KaffeeJunky123on maemo ^^19:05
SpeedEvilSoak publication.19:05
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sivangKaffeeJunky123: Maep, uses superb OSMPs19:05
KaffeeJunky123sivang: I'll have a look at it19:05
eraniit might be interesting to try out the new nook color19:05
SpeedEvilTear off 4mm or so thickness, roll into little tube, treat as a 'branch'19:05
sivangKaffeeJunky123: and I like it that it is not turn by turn, e.g. you still have to think :)19:05
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eranibut I also see a lot of good points in Kindle's passive matrix display19:05
sivangKaffeeJunky123: it shows you where you are, but you still need to plan a bit etc19:06
SpeedEvilI'm having real problems understanding why I might want a bookreader that does not do other things.19:06
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KaffeeJunky123sivang: does it tell you anything?19:06
sivangSpeedEvil: do one thing and do it good? :)19:06
SpeedEvilsivang: Sure.19:06
sivangKaffeeJunky123: where I am, streets names, some POI19:06
DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: sounds like a happy experience, with all that ... it's called konfetti here19:06
SpeedEvilsivang: Assuming you can carry around a mp3 player, a camera a  phone, a kindle, ...19:06
sivangKaffeeJunky123: there's OVI as well19:06
KaffeeJunky123sivang: why isn't it listed on the page19:07
eraniwonder if color passive matrix displays will be available someday...19:07
sivangSpeedEvil: true, it gets too much19:07
CutMeOwnThroathm, I see holdon-home take up ~35% CPU and pulseaudio 28% CPU resulting in a load of 2.5... media player is open, but paused, what could cause this? It is, obviously, draining the battery more than I'd like19:07
KaffeeJunky123sivang: ovi requires an internet connection19:07
SpeedEvilA flashlight, a FM radio.19:07
sivangKaffeeJunky123: don't know, never heard of this page :)19:07
SpeedEvilA GPS.19:07
sivangKaffeeJunky123: oh right :)19:07
sivangKaffeeJunky123: maep downloads the maps, you can tell it so19:07
KaffeeJunky123sivang: that's exactly what I'm looking for19:07
SpeedEvilA camcorder, pencil and paper, envelopes, stamps. a pizza oven.19:08
sivangKaffeeJunky123: try and see, but don't hold me accountable- I'm as blank as can be usually19:08
DocScrutinizerCutMeOwnThroat: Hildon-home probably that nasty bug19:08
DocScrutinizerrelated to kinetic scrolling of windows too short to scroll19:08
SpeedEvilThough the kindle is much better for textbooks - though still somewhat too low res.19:08
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DocScrutinizerPA is known to always do this kinda shit, so blame Nokia for ever considering to use PA at all19:09
sivangthe glitch UI is horrific problem19:09
* sivang should get brave and install the communty SSU19:09
KaffeeJunky123sivang: is it in the repo?19:09
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nid0it *is* a repo19:10
DocScrutinizerCutMeOwnThroat: see for a possible fix of the kinetic scrolling problem (install MHD)19:10
CutMeOwnThroatDocScrutinizer, any workaround for that? And what windows are those? Is that bug 8723?19:10
povbotBug Items in hildon-home can be non-responsive for several minutes19:10
CutMeOwnThroatah, you were faster with the answer than I with making the question preciser19:11
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DocScrutinizer# fix annoying hildon-desktop cpu hog bug  in
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sivangKaffeeJunky123: in extras or something no?19:12
CutMeOwnThroatcan I test if it's this bug?19:12
KaffeeJunky123sivang: well i've found it =)19:13
opdf2repo's back up?19:13
KaffeeJunky123I never had that hildon-desktop cpu bug19:13
KaffeeJunky123how do you get it?19:13
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* RST38h moos loudly19:14
CutMeOwnThroathaving many applications open?19:14
KaffeeJunky123about 18% cpu load on pulse is what i have with the media player playing some mp319:15
SpeedEvilKaffeeJunky123: that may be misleading.19:16
SpeedEvilIt's 15%@25019:16
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KaffeeJunky123I'm using top to monitor cpu usage of processes19:17
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MohammadAGit's toggled by catorize19:17
MohammadAGtriggered even19:17
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SpeedEvilhtop may be better for that.19:17
SpeedEvilhtop + screen + ssh19:17
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KaffeeJunky123132mb of ram used interresting19:19
SpeedEvilRSS is a lie.19:20
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: KaffeeJunky123: no, it's triggered by too short window to scroll19:21
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, app menu*19:21
DocScrutinizercatorize just one way to have such window19:22
MohammadAGonly catorize has a menu that short19:22
DocScrutinizernope, apmefo as well19:22
MohammadAGApMeFo too19:22
MohammadAGnvm then19:22
KaffeeJunky123so I'll probably never trigger that bug =)19:22
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CutMeOwnThroatthen neither should I, I don't have any of those two19:24
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CutMeOwnThroatseems to nearly freeze now19:26
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KaffeeJunky123hm my gps is about 200meters off19:26
KaffeeJunky123in Maep19:27
CutMeOwnThroatyou get that easily from time to time with buildings around...19:27
* DocScrutinizer envisions a >>if !(scroll-area_upper_border < window_upper) then kinetic_bounce-down; if !(scroll-area_lower_border > window_lower) then kinetic_bounce-up;<<19:27
DocScrutinizerKaffeeJunky123: no "A" in GPS? Then it may take like 15min to dl all the data from sat, rather than pull it in no time from network. Until then GPS may be off by several 100m19:30
ShadowJKLocation-test-ui is nice because it actually tells you the estimated accuracy19:30
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ShadowJK.. which is 9800m for me when indoors :)19:31
KaffeeJunky123DocScrutinizer: looks like it's found me now19:31
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KaffeeJunky123maep doesn't feature any sort of route planning, does it?19:31
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RST38hShadowJK: still well in range of a large enough "device"19:31
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DocScrutinizerRST38h: well, if "device" is >1Mt19:32
DocScrutinizeryou should know, as that's been the 'eastern approach" to the accuracy problem :-P19:33
* DocScrutinizer waiting for Myrtti publishing today's #maemo drug test results19:34
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RST38hDoc: >1Mt is way easier to achieve than <1Mt, as you probably know too19:36
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DocScrutinizererr ... than <50kt19:36
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DocScrutinizertoday's limit seems somewhere next to 1kt19:37
* DocScrutinizer prefers MTHEL anyway ;-D19:38
RST38hYou can achieve that with pure chemistry19:38
RST38hOh yeaa19:38
RST38hBig Fucking DF-based MTHEL19:38
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SpeedEvilWell - that's not really true. 1MT pretty much implies a fusion stage, which is an added complication.19:41
trumeeis this guy, on about this ?19:41
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DocScrutinizertrumee: you really think I'm going to dig thru TWO friggin disgusting tmo threads to even get what *you* are on about19:43
infobotrumour has it, tmo is, or too much off-topic, or not ~t-mo19:43
trumeeCalls over Fm is a feature for some.19:44
DocScrutinizerformerly known as "Trolls, Morons, Offtopic"19:44
DocScrutinizeror sth like that19:44
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DocScrutinizeror, tmo is ' echo "" >>/etc/hosts'19:46
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CutMeOwnThroatyou mean it's worse than ubuntu bugs?19:56
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sivangDocScrutinizer: haha20:06
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sivangDocScrutinizer: how would you teach her about harmattan?20:06
merlin1991repository back up?20:06
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DocScrutinizer~tell sivang about help20:08
DocScrutinizer~tell sivang about query20:08
kerioharmattan is teh suck20:08
keriono, wait20:08
kerioinfobot: harmattan is teh suck20:08
infobotokay, kerio20:08
infobot[harmattan] teh suck20:08
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CutMeOwnThroatDocScrutinizer, thx, installed it... will see if comes back ... might have been just a widget running wild, too?20:17
CutMeOwnThroatfinally just killed the process without anything happening when it was dead20:17
DocScrutinizererr which process?20:18
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DocScrutinizerhmm, will get restarted I'd guess20:18
CutMeOwnThroatthere was nothing else to do before a shutdown20:18
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CutMeOwnThroatoh well, I'll see...20:20
DocScrutinizeryou installed the nice ctr-bs type 5 mode?20:20
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DocScrutinizeraka alt-tab emu20:21
DocScrutinizerit's awesome20:21
CutMeOwnThroatsaw the video20:21
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CutMeOwnThroatif it was in the hildon-modified-desktop package, I did20:23
DocScrutinizerit is, but you need the gconftool cmd to set the config to enable it20:23
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smoophhey anybody know how i can make "]" with keyboard?20:26
KaffeeJunky123fn + strg20:26
KaffeeJunky123on a n90020:26
KaffeeJunky123it'll bring up the symbol dialog20:27
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DocScrutinizersmooph: or what exactly was your question?20:27
smoophthanks KaffeeJunky12320:27
smoophrespect the coffee :D20:27
KaffeeJunky123I don't have any left ._.20:28
smoophI drink Club-Mate ... for now20:28
DocScrutinizersmooph: there's also
smoophDocScrutinizer the problem is already solved20:29
DocScrutinizersmooph: how should I know? your question was pretty ambiguous20:29
KaffeeJunky123Club-Mate= mate tea + lots of sugar?20:30
smoophI just didn't know how to type "]" but like KaffeeJunky123 said ... just push fn + strg20:30
smoophKaffeeJunky123: correct20:30
MohammadAG51DocScrutinizer, matan's mhd is now hd in the ssu ;)20:30
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KaffeeJunky123smooph: can I get that, but without the sugar?20:30
DocScrutinizerKaffeeJunky123: club mate is THE hacker softdrink in all Europe20:30
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KaffeeJunky123and please the original mate tea20:30
KaffeeJunky123with coca leaf20:30
CutMeOwnThroatI see...20:31
jacekowskii forgot that /root is on rootfs20:31
DocScrutinizerKaffeeJunky123: it has really not much sugar20:31
KaffeeJunky123DocScrutinizer: I don't like sugar in drinks20:32
KaffeeJunky123DocScrutinizer: I get even more thirsty from it20:32
* MohammadAG51 hates chocolate20:33
alteregoMe too20:34
MohammadAG51makes me wanna wash my throat with a litre of water20:34
alteregoWell, I don't hate it, but I don't like it much20:34
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* DocScrutinizer hates people talking bout chocolate while he doesn't have any at home20:35
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smoophKaffeeJunky123: 5g sugar in 100ml20:35
jacekowskii have loads of chocolate20:36
MohammadAG51chocolate rain20:36
jacekowskiand other sweets20:36
smooph15kcal per 100ml20:36
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smoophthats half of what cola and orange juice have20:37
KaffeeJunky123about 1BE per glas!20:37
KaffeeJunky123it's still a lot of sugar20:37
smoophi agree20:37
smoophwhats BE20:37
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DocScrutinizersmooph: BE is a german unit for diabetic calculations, meaning "bread unit" and aiui equaling one slice of bread20:47
KaffeeJunky123Where can I find an introduction to hildon gui programming?20:47
KaffeeJunky123and is there a C++ classlibrary for it :>?=20:48
DocScrutinizermaybe a good startpoint20:49
KaffeeJunky123already searching around there20:50
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KaffeeJunky123I've already setup a scratch box for maemo20:52
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inzKaffeeJunky123, see also if you want C++20:53
inzOr has it been updated to Maemo5, dunno really.20:53
KaffeeJunky123inz: tank you very much, I'll bookmark it right away20:53
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keriowhy would anyone want c++20:54
KaffeeJunky123kerio: dunno, maybe because I'm programming in c++ and not c99?20:56
keriowhy would you program in c++ OR c9920:56
ShadowJKyou C89 luddite20:56
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KaffeeJunky123kerio: what are you programming in then?21:00
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keriopython, of course21:06
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KaffeeJunky123You aren't serious, are you?21:08
KaffeeJunky123Python is for quick and dirty scripts only21:09
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KaffeeJunky123atleast use ruby21:09
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* ShadowJK uses busybox sh for quick and dirty scripts21:10
chem|stKaffeeJunky123: python is so 2010 like marriage, fast screwing with your acounts and leaves a mess after a while21:11
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DocScrutinizeron a sidenode: whole FSO-1 middleware framework on Openmoko FreeRunner was based on python and worked just fine mostly (
DocScrutinizerand probably it's the developer leaving a mess after a while, not python21:19
ieatlint"FSO is written in Vala, a modern object oriented programming language that compiles to C – thus giving you the maximum performance." :P21:20
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ieatlintand a very common programming model is to write things in python, test for bottlenecks, then replace just the bottlenecks with refactored code, c, or another applicable language21:21
ieatlintwhich as i recall was the original programming model of FSO's dbus GSM stack21:21
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MohammadAG51why is Qt on symbian retarded...21:24
ieatlintbecause it was written as a desktop toolkit, and then smashed into an embedded stack with its widgets reimplemented differently21:25
DocScrutinizerieatlint: I clearly said "FSO-1". FSO-2 is rewritten in vala21:25
ieatlintah, indeed21:26
ieatlintwhich explains why FSO-2 is in vala...21:26
ieatlintfrom the old openmoko fso page "Once the APIs have been used by application programmers, we can start profiling and possibly reimplement some of the services with daemons written in Vala, if necessary"21:26
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internetishardis using apt-get dist-upgrade the right way to commence if the maemo 5 update says pc-suite is required?21:28
Aranelanyone playing Asphalt V on preenv?21:29
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Aranelinternetishard: afaik, no.21:33
Noobmonk3yAranel: Just fixed my borked n900 so i could install preenv21:33
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Venemohi guys21:34
Venemohey Noobmonk3y21:34
Noobmonk3yhey hey!21:34
AranelNoobmonk3y: It crashes on mine :|21:35
Noobmonk3y:( :| :|21:35
AranelNoobmonk3y: not the preenv, Asphalt 5.21:35
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AranelI can play with first cars but nothing more than level 6.21:35
Noobmonk3ythought it ran on the preenv thingy?21:35
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Aranelpreenv works good with other games but Asphalt 5 crashes a lot :(21:36
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Noobmonk3yso how are you playing it?21:40
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AranelNow I find a way to make them work: Making decals on them.21:41
AranelIf they're stock, it crashes. Cars with decals dont crash.21:41
Noobmonk3ymeh no idea what it is, just interested in trying new stuff :)21:42
Araneltry NFSU or Sims 3 first, you'll be impressed :)21:42
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nidOnfsu works really well21:42
lollooI LUV MY N900!!!!21:42
internetishardAranel: then how?21:42
Araneland X-Plane ofc, It's a very VERY cool flight simulator.21:42
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Aranelinternetishard: If It asks for PC-Suite, a) you dont have enough rootfs space b) package conflict.21:43
internetishardso I need the 80megs?21:43
internetishardI have 62megs21:43
Aranelinternetishard: dist-upgrade is not a good way to deal with it, most likely will brick your device.21:43
nidO62 is fine21:43
nidOyou have a conflicting package21:43
Aranelinternetishard: dunno, I think It's enough.21:43
nidOread the upgrade details21:43
internetishardwhy won't it tell me which pkg confliects21:43
Noobmonk3yi needed +73mb21:44
nidOinternetishard: it does21:44
Aranelinternetishard: try running dist-upgrade WITHOUT  pressing Y to start, and see what is conflicting.21:44
Aranelinternetishard: in most cases, conflicting packages are games or SDL/OpenGL things.21:45
internetishardsays 864 upgraded, 11 newly installed, 581 to remove, and 4 not upgraded - don't see any confliects21:45
Aranelinternetishard: :| then try what nidO said already, read the upgrade details.21:45
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Aranellolloo: who doesn't? :P21:46
internetishardshould I just delete logs in /var to free up space on / ?21:46
lollooI agree Aranel21:46
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internetishardvar is 33megs21:46
internetishardthe other biggest dir is /usr/lib21:46
Araneld'oh, It's pretty big. But nope, I think 62 megabytes is enough21:46
internetishardoh okay, it says "82" megs on the maemo 5 upgrade i think21:47
Aranelinternetishard: try apt-get remove libgles1 and apt-get remove libgles1-sgx-img21:48
Aranelinternetishard: you can find a list of conflicting packages on maemo talk.21:49
internetishardhow do I do this upgrade from the cmd line?21:49
internetishardinstead of the package manager?21:49
nox-whats the rootpw for the madde pr1.2 image?  or how do i install apps?  (appmanager doesnt seem to see a network?)21:49
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Aranelinternetishard: dist-upgrade is the only way but most ppl here don't recommend this, and I know some of them already bricked their device doing it.21:50
internetishardso just check for updates again with the regular package manager?21:50
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Aranelyup, check for updates, click on it, read the update details21:51
* Noobmonk3y is trying the sims w0000p21:51
Araneland If you have libgles1 and libgles1-sgx-img, remove them.21:51
Noobmonk3ywell, once it copies :P21:52
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internetishardneither of those installed21:52
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alteregoNoobmonk3y: w/ preenv?21:54
Noobmonk3yw/ preenv?21:54
nidOhe means yes21:54
alteregowith, preenv? :)21:54
Noobmonk3yyes :)21:54
Noobmonk3ynido reads my mind :p21:54
alteregoIt works really well21:54
Aranelinternetishard: remove Wormux, tuxrace, openarena and brainparty If you do have any of them.21:55
alteregoAs a team your worth talking to, but on your own you're only half a person .p21:55
nidOdefault clock the games run really smoothly21:55
alteregoYeah, I don't OC21:55
alteregoeven tv out is quite fun.21:55
alteregoMy gf is addicted to it ...21:56
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Aranelinternetishard: also remove healthcheck and pearl.21:56
* Noobmonk3y cries21:57
Noobmonk3yevery time you remove healthcheck a fairy dies21:57
Noobmonk3y(Fuck it, remove em alllllllllll Muhahahahahahaha)21:57
Aranelinternetishard: If it's still not upgrading, then I don't know whick package is conflicting on your installation, read the upgrade detalis.21:57
nidOexactly what problem are people having with updating w/healthcheck installed?21:57
nidOmy update went fine with it21:57
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AranelNoobmonk3y: is it finished copying?21:58
angergood evening!21:58
angerDoes anyone know the details how the mail for exchange works?21:59
nidOin what respect?21:59
angerI'm having problems with syncing emails, but calendar works fine22:00
angerIf I try to sync emails, the app says that the server isn't responding22:00
Noobmonk3yand loaded!22:00
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Noobmonk3ybut not a sims fan!22:00
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Noobmonk3yso wanna game i can play without wasting my life away ;)22:00
Noobmonk3ylooks soo cool though!22:00
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angerBut if I uncheck mail sync option, then the sync will work just fine :)22:01
Noobmonk3ywho's back am i patting for the coolness?22:01
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angerAny ideas why is this?22:01
angerCould this have something to do with the lack of provisioning mode?22:01
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nidOdoes your exchange server require provisioning support?22:02
kevloralHello all22:02
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AranelNoobmonk3y: lol there's lots of great games. what would you wanna play? Blades of Fury, maybe?22:02
Noobmonk3yOoo cool!22:02
angernidO: no idea :)22:02
Noobmonk3ygonna try assasins creed in a mo22:02
nidONoobmonk3y: a lot of the games work but are reliant on multitouch so dont really work22:03
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Araneldon't waste your time, It doesn't work b/c of multitouch. You will be stuck in first level.22:03
Noobmonk3ymeh meh22:03
Aranelanyone got The Settlers working?22:03
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n900-spacewhats The Settlers?22:06
n900-spacewebos game22:07
n900-spacei c22:07
AranelWebOS game.22:07
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Noobmonk3ylove those sorts of games22:08
Noobmonk3ywould like to try the golf one too22:08
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AranelNoobmonk3y: maybe you already know it but here it is:
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Noobmonk3yyeah reading it now ;)22:09
AranelNoobmonk3y: you can look here to see which games are working or not.22:09
Noobmonk3ythanks :)22:09
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luke-jrNoobmonk3y: just implement multitouch support22:14
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Noobmonk3ylol luke-jr ;)22:14
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n900-spacenokia shud "just implement the multtouch support" for us :)22:15
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luke-jrn900-space: why?22:16
nidOthe world's gonna be a wierd place when you can just download a new screen via nanotechnology22:16
luke-jrNokia should open N900 so we can hack it :P22:16
KaffeeJunky123is mupen64plus available for X86 maemo, or should I switch my scratchboard to an arm target?22:16
KaffeeJunky123when I'm trying to install it in scratchboard it'll error about libgles2 not being available, so I tried copying the repos from my phone, because it's available on my phone, but apt-get still doesn't find an installable candidate of libgles2 ^^22:17
n900-spacenokia shud do a lot of things indeed :)22:17
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internetishardyeah thanks, it was qt4-test from ftp and healthcheck22:18
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AranelI know It sounds kinda selfish, but please someone with scratchbox skills try and compile this?:
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AranelIt's an app named Audelicious, Qt-based and It's for N900 but It's not packaged. Looks very interesting but I couldnt compile it because my lack of scratchbox knowledge. :|22:22
KaffeeJunky123isn't maemo using something like the debian buildsystem?22:24
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KaffeeJunky123anyways, for just compiling your software you'll normaly have to do ./configure && make && fakeroot make install22:25
KaffeeJunky123*compiling and installing22:25
KaffeeJunky123atleast if it's a normal autotools project22:25
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Noobmonk3yoh well, realsoccer doesnt work :P22:29
Noobmonk3ywell, half screen lol22:29
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E0xtell with a week using my n900 with pr1.3 i can really see a huge improve in the battery life22:53
E0xa really really nice thing22:53
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PhonicUKshame we still don't have flash 10 though23:07
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Turskishame we still have to use flash23:10
KaffeeJunky123what about html5?23:11
Turskiwould be welcome23:11
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crashanddie"Here at Apple, we heard from the first gen iPhone users that people really wanted a hardware keyboard. So for the iPhone 3GS, we added a compass; just to fuck with you"23:18
nox-KaffeeJunky123, fennec 4 trunk supports html5 and i can enable it in youtube, but the video still is choppy...23:19
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nox-mostly stills with intermittent audio :(23:20
KaffeeJunky123we should get some webkit based stuff23:21
PaulFertserWhy not youtube-dl it and use mplayer? works nicely even on n810.23:21
KaffeeJunky123how good are the multimedia plugins for maemo?23:21
Appiahthey work23:21
Appiah? :)23:22
KaffeeJunky123PaulFertser: because with html5 you can use the mplayer plugin to play stuff directly23:22
KaffeeJunky123PaulFertser: without flash23:22
PaulFertserKaffeeJunky123: but with damn javascript.23:22
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PaulFertserKaffeeJunky123: and yes, i know what html5 is.23:22
AranelKaffeeJunky123: nope It doesn't compile. qmake & make giving me errors :|23:23
PaulFertserKaffeeJunky123: also you have no choice of codec with html5 on youtube afair. And still no direct link to download etc. With youtube-dl you just use -f 18 or -f 17 and you get nice playable file.23:23
KaffeeJunky123Aranel: what doesn't compile?23:23
Aranel[22:22:01] <Aranel> It's an app named Audelicious, Qt-based and It's for N900 but It's not packaged. Looks very interesting but I couldnt compile it because my lack of scratchbox knowledge. :|23:24
Aranel[22:24:21] <KaffeeJunky123> isn't maemo using something like the debian buildsystem?23:24
KaffeeJunky123Aranel: and a paste of the compiler errors would be help full as well :)23:24
KaffeeJunky123Aranel: or whatever errors you're getting23:24
KaffeeJunky123I'm familiar with linux build stuff23:24
KaffeeJunky123should work for maemo too :>23:24
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jacekowskilink would be usefull23:24
KaffeeJunky123Aranel: If you show me what you're trying to compile and what errors you get, I might be able to help you23:25
jacekowskiand link to source23:25
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KaffeeJunky123probably some missing dependencies23:26
AranelOutput: | Source:
AranelKaffeeJunky123: jacekowski:23:27
KaffeeJunky123Aranel: I'll have a look at it, later23:27
KaffeeJunky123in about 30mins23:27
Aranelok ^^23:27
PaulFertserAranel: you should have QtOpenGl installed, but you miss it inside scratchbox.23:29
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AranelPaulFertser: should I get libqt-opengl or libqt-opengl-dev?23:31
PaulFertserAranel: the latter, and it will pull the former :)23:32
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infoboti heard pr1.3 is the latest (and probably last) software update for Fremantle, available since Monday October 25 2010. More information at -- see ~flashing for how to update23:36
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infobothmm... flashing is
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jacekowskiDocScrutinizer: have you made that wiki page?23:44
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AranelPaulFertser: yay It's compiled! ^^ thank you.23:47
PaulFertserAranel: welcome23:47
PaulFertserYesterday my friend showed me his N810 with telescope (sane app-launcher), some other goodies, modified hildon-desktop, cool programs and games and nice "white text, black BG" theme. And i realized that even though i spent quite some time messing with n900's kernel i am completely clueless about how to make the device enjoyable to me :|23:49
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Araneland It works like a charm. Time for me to package it.23:50
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KaffeeJunky123Aranel: ah you solved it already23:51
KaffeeJunky123missing library I guess?23:51
AranelPaulFertser solved it in fact, yup, missing libqt4-opengl23:52
nox-hm is kexec supposed to work in madde qemu?23:52
AranelPaulFertser: why do you think N810 is more enjoyable than N900? N900 has got nice apps and games too (webos,ovi,free ones) too?23:53
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PaulFertserAranel: it's not. I meant he is no programmer but he can enjoy what he has. And i'm kinda programmer (means more capable at tweaking) and i can't enjoy what i have. And btw, N900 is somewhat better but at the same time worse comparing to n810: smaller screen, less keys, smaller, less comfortable keyboard.23:54
PaulFertserAranel: and no usb host support (though this might change soon).23:54
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keriobut also faster cpu, 3g modem, camera23:55
DocScrutinizerjacekowski: nope. Thought Myrtti will do23:55
KaffeeJunky123PaulFertser: who cares about the keyboard when developing23:56
PaulFertserkerio: camera worth little to me, i can't see decent usecases in my real life for it. Faster cpu -- slightly faster, yes. 3g -- a considerable advantage but somewhat mitigated if you have a 3g-equipped cellphone in your other pocket with bluetooth connection.23:56
AranelPaulFertser: yeah but N900 is more like a mobile phone compared to N900, so I think smaller screen, smaller keyboard and overall "small" thing is acceptable.23:56
Aranelcompared to N810*23:56
KaffeeJunky123PaulFertser: also it's better then the iPhones onscreen keyboard XD23:56
PaulFertserAranel: i'd prefer bigger cellphone, n810 would be just ok for me.23:56
jacekowskibtw. why internet browsing on phone is a lot slower than on laptop connected to that phone23:56
jacekowskieven though cpu load isn't anywhere close to 100%23:57
jacekowskiit's just like it's loading it slowly because it likes to23:57
AranelPaulFertser: does usb host mode works good on N810? You can use flash drives on N900, and I heard MohammadAG got a CD Writer to work and someone else got a keyboard working.23:57
PaulFertserKaffeeJunky123: some people claim resistive touchscreens are so inferiour comparing to capacitive... But i'd prefer resistive still. And my daily phone is Freerunner which has a much smaller and less comfortable on-screen keyrboard only.23:57
jacekowskiPaulFertser: SAW23:57
Macerno ota for 1.323:58
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jacekowskiif somebody can perfect technology23:58
jacekowskiMacer: there is23:58
Macer? guess i will flash23:58
jacekowskiMacer: just not very compatible with extras repos23:58
jacekowskiMacer: disable all additional repos23:58
jacekowskiMacer: and it should work23:58
Maceroh lol23:58
jacekowskiMacer: but i lost sound after doing ssu23:58
Macerscrew that... i will just reflash23:58
Maceri think i need to anyways23:59
PaulFertserAranel: usb host mode works nicely on n810 (but i guess current is limited to 100mA comparing to 200mA on n900). And hostmode support on n900 is in alpha stage, i'm still to find the proper way to switch between low, full and high speed devices and to solve some other minor glitches.23:59
Macerhave random screw ups.. surprised a 1.3 came out23:59
Macerwas unexpected23:59
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Macerprofilemdesktop?m lol23:59

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