| * DocScrutinizer grumbles about never having bothered to dl that shit | 00:00 | |
| jacekowski | i think i have pr1.2 emmc image somewhere | 00:00 |
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| MohammadAG51 | DocScrutinizer, oh and it's 250MBs | 00:00 |
| MohammadAG51 | btw, that image is modified to be 3GBs for /home | 00:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | my box has a 1GB backbone | 00:01 |
| MohammadAG51 | used sed on it to reverse changes | 00:01 |
| MohammadAG51 | use* | 00:01 |
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| MohammadAG51 | btw, if Nokia wants to sue me, i'm a minor, and your rules only apply when they're (the rules) are available to read | 00:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | X-P | 00:02 |
| Myrtti | good night folks | 00:02 |
| * DocScrutinizer cackles satanically | 00:02 | |
| MohammadAG51 | night Myrtti | 00:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | Myrtti: o/ | 00:03 |
| MohammadAG51 | btw, *switches on racist mode* | 00:03 |
| MohammadAG51 | 30MB lines are available in IL | 00:03 |
| MohammadAG51 | but they're for jews only | 00:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | sure thing | 00:04 |
| jacekowski | that reminds me of video i saw | 00:04 |
| MohammadAG51 | and they cost a 100 per month | 00:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | fuck | 00:04 |
| MohammadAG51 | $ i think | 00:04 |
| jacekowski | and stupid kids throwing eggs at cars | 00:04 |
| jacekowski | in israel | 00:04 |
| jacekowski | and one of these kids got ran over | 00:04 |
| MohammadAG51 | the guy who ran them over? | 00:04 |
| MohammadAG51 | i thought they were throwing rocks | 00:05 |
| jacekowski | well, something round | 00:05 |
| jacekowski | maybe rocks | 00:05 |
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| MohammadAG51 | extremists exist on both sides | 00:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | I recall eggs being thrown at cars somehwre | 00:06 |
| MohammadAG51 | wipe those out, and you get a happy life | 00:06 |
| ALoGeNo | hey im trying to install sdk but http://repository.maemo.org/unstable/fremantle/i386/maemo-sdk-rootstrap_5.0_i386.tgz isnt there, is there some new link? im following the wiki but that link dont work | 00:06 |
| jacekowski | so what you think about virgins after death? | 00:06 |
| MohammadAG51 | err? | 00:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | /join #defocus ! | 00:06 |
| MohammadAG51 | ALoGeNo, topic | 00:07 |
| jacekowski | nevermind | 00:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | ALoGeNo: /topic ! | 00:07 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ALoGeNo: odds are it gets fixed on tuesday | 00:08 |
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| MohammadAG51 | or tmrw | 00:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | tomorrow is holiday in catholic european countries | 00:09 |
| MohammadAG51 | meh! | 00:09 |
| ALoGeNo | thank you very much DocScrutinizer and MohammadAG51 :) | 00:09 |
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| DocScrutinizer | [2010-10-31 22:44:20] <DocScrutinizer> hey, monday is holiday. So it's pretty clear thy spoiled it on Friday. They always do on long weekends so impact is maximized | 00:10 |
| MohammadAG51 | why isn't maemo run by jews? | 00:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | because angry birds isn't kosher | 00:10 |
| MohammadAG51 | epic reply | 00:11 |
| MohammadAG51 | xD | 00:11 |
| ALoGeNo | that is the problem ( repository down since ~00:00 Oct 31. for unknown cause) no? | 00:11 |
| MohammadAG51 | yep | 00:11 |
| ALoGeNo | thank you guys | 00:11 |
| MohammadAG51 | yw :) | 00:11 |
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| ALoGeNo | :) | 00:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | I seem to remember a similar opportunity where they messes up everything just before evrybody went on holidays for a week | 00:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | maybe last xmas | 00:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | or easter? | 00:13 |
| MohammadAG51 | xmas i think | 00:13 |
| MohammadAG51 | i wasn't here though | 00:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes, was xmas. Now I seem to recall a rant of mine "how COULD they?? All the guys unpacking their devices under the tree, then screwed as repos are down til new year" | 00:14 |
| MohammadAG51 | 25 percent uploaded | 00:14 |
| jacekowski | http://www.metacafe.com/watch/yt-Hd755bbc8uw/wile_e_coyote_fail_vs_epic_fail/ | 00:15 |
| MohammadAG51 | off to bed | 00:16 |
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| MohammadAG51 | i'll keep scp running jacekowski | 00:16 |
| RST38h | * Change theme from Classic | Add stuff » | 00:17 |
| RST38h | Menu | 00:17 |
| RST38h | Home | 00:17 |
| RST38h | Top Stories | 00:17 |
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| MohammadAG51 | night peeps | 00:18 |
| wileybd | night thanks for the help | 00:18 |
| jacekowski | MohammadAG51: just paste md5sum of it | 00:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer | hehehe | 00:26 |
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| DocScrutinizer | http://www.torrentdownloads.net/searches/RX+51+2009SE+1+2009+41+1+VANILLA+PR+EMMC+MR0+ARM | 00:32 |
| wileybd | i tried isohunt and found nothing | 00:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | actually the file sizes are insane | 00:33 |
| wileybd | nice | 00:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin looks a bit different | 00:34 |
| jacekowski | wait for MohammadAG51 to finish with his upload | 00:34 |
| wileybd | one says 1.3 gb | 00:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | might be raw disk images | 00:34 |
| jacekowski | -rw-r--r-- 1 mohammadag users 126697472 Oct 31 23:34 RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin | 00:34 |
| jacekowski | half is already there | 00:34 |
| wileybd | cool | 00:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | just moh more than half gone, regarding md5sum | 00:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'd not bother too much bout md5 | 00:35 |
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| TomaszD | I was trying to debug this weird deauth problem with my n900 | 00:39 |
| dolp | how to find out which exact qt and qtm versions are on device | 00:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | wileybd: make sure you flash VANILLA *first* (no matter what recommendations you read elsewhere), and ommit the -R. Then remove battery, prepare VANILLA flasher, and plug in USB while holding 'u' | 00:40 |
| TomaszD | suddenly WLAN became very unreliable, even with battery saving off | 00:40 |
| TomaszD | I just unplug my WLAN ipcam | 00:40 |
| wileybd | will do | 00:40 |
| TomaszD | and now it works well again.... | 00:40 |
| jacekowski | hmm i'm just thinking | 00:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | s/remove/remove and re-insert/ | 00:41 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer meant: wileybd: make sure you flash VANILLA *first* (no matter what recommendations you read elsewhere), and ommit the -R. Then remove and re-insert battery, prepare VANILLA flasher, and plug in USB while holding 'u' | 00:41 |
| TomaszD | *unplugged | 00:41 |
| jacekowski | that it looks like that white LED | 00:41 |
| jacekowski | when phone is switching on | 00:41 |
| jacekowski | when you press button | 00:41 |
| jacekowski | isn't done by nolo 2nd | 00:41 |
| jacekowski | it's done by 1st stage | 00:41 |
| wileybd | ok | 00:41 |
| nox- | dolp, apt-cache policy? | 00:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | err damn | 00:42 |
| * nox- gets 4.7.0-git20100909... | 00:42 | |
| DocScrutinizer | wileybd: make sure you flash VANILLA *first* (no matter what recommendations you read elsewhere), and omit the -R. Then remove & insert battery, prepare COMBINED flasher, and plug in USB while holding 'u' | 00:42 |
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| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: :-o | 00:43 |
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| wileybd | so i remove and reinsert the battery for each one i image to it | 00:44 |
| wileybd | no prob | 00:44 |
| wileybd | so i really havent had time to keep up with the n900 stuff i know i just wanted one but is the meego stuff better then maemo at all? | 00:45 |
| wileybd | or is it along ways away | 00:45 |
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| SpeedEvil | meego as a polished phone OS - or even a releasable one - is some ways off. | 00:46 |
| SpeedEvil | I would be surpirsed to see it polished before august. | 00:47 |
| wileybd | ok | 00:47 |
| SpeedEvil | Maybe it may be released before then - who knows. | 00:47 |
| * SpeedEvil points to #meego | 00:47 | |
| wileybd | well i need to do the candy thing so when i get back i guess ill try to download the vanilla image | 00:47 |
| jpinx-eeepc | "polished" as maemo was prior to release? | 00:48 |
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| pupnik | Great Depression Cooking: Egg Drop Soup http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yREFkmrrYiw | 00:51 |
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| SpeedEvil | maemo 5 was not publically developed AIUI | 00:52 |
| jacekowski | -rw-r--r-- 1 mohammadag users 190365696 Oct 31 23:53 RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin | 00:53 |
| pupnik | we shoudl work on hacking android drivers to work with linux kernel | 00:53 |
| pupnik | then run linux on popular phones | 00:53 |
| pupnik | and world domination | 00:53 |
| jacekowski | android is linux based | 00:53 |
| pupnik | right | 00:53 |
| jacekowski | andoid is a linux | 00:53 |
| pupnik | so for an android camera driver, expose a v4l interface | 00:54 |
| pupnik | for accelerometer, a joystick interface | 00:54 |
| pupnik | etc | 00:54 |
| pupnik | boot linux, run linux apps, run android apps, run maemo apps | 00:54 |
| pupnik | on hardware that starts at $150 | 00:54 |
| dolp | god i dont like qt mobility :D | 00:55 |
| jacekowski | $150? | 00:55 |
| SpeedEvil | Android is to normal linux as frankenstein is to Michael Jordan. | 00:55 |
| jacekowski | SpeedEvil: not really | 00:55 |
| jacekowski | SpeedEvil: it's almost normal linux kernel | 00:55 |
| jacekowski | SpeedEvil: lot of stuff got merged to mainline | 00:55 |
| SpeedEvil | yeah - I meant normal linux distributions. | 00:55 |
| jacekowski | and stuff that didn't is implemented in mainline in some other way | 00:55 |
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| jacekowski | but there are still some differences | 00:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer | HELP NEEDED! Topic USB: Assume we have a PHY connected via ULPI. Where and how is speed switching done? (LS/HS/FS). Is this a mere PHY thing, or is the "upper end" ULPI controller also involved? All pointers and small bits of info much appreciated. thank you | 00:57 |
| SpeedEvil | asked overr on #edev? Sometimes people with a clue will pop up there | 00:58 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: well, whole usb negotiation is done partialy in software as well | 01:00 |
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| jacekowski | i mean chirping and stuff | 01:00 |
| jacekowski | i would bet it's more than just phy involved | 01:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: we have the problem how to switch to correct speed for hostmode | 01:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | with the friggin musb-core | 01:01 |
| jacekowski | well, it's partialy phy | 01:02 |
| jacekowski | as line states are different | 01:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: I dunno #edev. Maybe I should have a peek | 01:02 |
| jacekowski | for different modes | 01:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes | 01:02 |
| jacekowski | and then it uses chirping to go to FS | 01:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | known | 01:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | also ack | 01:02 |
| jacekowski | HS i mean | 01:02 |
| jacekowski | so you have your high state on one of lines to detect ls/fs | 01:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | is ULPI clock driven by PHY and musb_core just follows, or do we need to make sure musb-core has correct clock and logical protocol? | 01:03 |
| jacekowski | dunno | 01:04 |
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| merlin1991 | damn @ topic, I wanted to install sdk and adjust some widgets to my liking tomorrow :/ | 01:08 |
| nid0 | has anyone ever seen an issue where their device will longer display contact information while the phone's ringing or the call's in progress (and just shows the number the call's from), but then shows the correct info in the call log after the call? | 01:09 |
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| nid0 | will no longer* | 01:09 |
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| jacekowski | ok | 01:16 |
| jacekowski | wileybd: done | 01:16 |
| jacekowski | http://maemo.jacekowski.org/binary/firmware/ | 01:16 |
| merlin1991 | hm is there any mirror of the extras repository anywhere? | 01:17 |
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| jacekowski | that's not bad idea | 01:19 |
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| jacekowski | when it comes back i'll start mirroring it | 01:19 |
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| merlin1991 | I think this was discussed here already, but I missed the conclusion the last time, is it actually ok to mirror extras? | 01:20 |
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| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: please reread http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=685367#post685367 and http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=685914#post685914. They still seem correct to the point, and comprehensive. Paul's method is implementing exactly that, for all I can tell | 01:29 |
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| * DocScrutinizer .oO(what does it tell there's only 6 rsp 15 thanks for useful post on a 95% implementation spec, while BS like "Can't wait to get my hands on it LULZ" get 30 thanks) | 01:31 | |
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| jacekowski | yeah, there is one problem with that | 01:34 |
| merlin1991 | I don't understand a single word in the whole thing :P | 01:34 |
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| jacekowski | it doesn't explain HighSpeed negotiation | 01:35 |
| jacekowski | which is quite important bit | 01:35 |
| jacekowski | i mean negotiation itself is simple | 01:35 |
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| jacekowski | it's how do you implement it in this hardware configuration which isn't really designed to work with hostmode at all | 01:36 |
| jacekowski | i'm going to sleep before midnight today | 01:37 |
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| TPC | hi, my N800 is stuck in a reboot loop and I want to try flashing, but the nokia server where the flasher / firmware is hosted seems to be down, does anyone have a mirror? | 01:39 |
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| pupnik | !flasher | 01:40 |
| merlin1991 | hm if anyone could explain me what the PHY stands for in the host mode discussion I would be glad | 01:40 |
| pupnik | hm | 01:40 |
| nox- | ~flasher | 01:40 |
| infobot | somebody said flasher was http://wiki.maemo.org/Flasher | 01:40 |
| pupnik | i just have a binary for it for ia32 linux | 01:40 |
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| TPC | pupnik, that would work fine | 01:41 |
| nox- | merlin1991, https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/PHY | 01:42 |
| SpeedEvil | PHY = physical USB interface. | 01:42 |
| SpeedEvil | It's the bit that speaks USB and connects to the external connector. It is talked to over the ULPI bus by the CPU | 01:43 |
| merlin1991 | I see, that stuff is way over my head | 01:43 |
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| sivang | anybody know why would a debian paclage, at install time, try to run an init.d script before finishing the installation of other package content that is mandatory for the script to run? | 01:47 |
| * sivang is on the brink of insanity | 01:47 | |
| sivang | so- I have a pkg, that has a script, that imports a package | 01:47 |
| sivang | (python) | 01:47 |
| sivang | on install time, he install breaks sinc ehte pkg is not there yet | 01:47 |
| sivang | on subsequent installs, it works, since the paclkage is already there | 01:47 |
| sivang | I have no pre* scripts | 01:48 |
| sivang | only postint\ | 01:48 |
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| sivang | anyone ran into something similar? | 01:48 |
| TPC | nevermind, I found an old copy of the flasher and firmware I had lying around, these will have to do | 01:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: (it doesn't explain HighSpeed negotiation) that's exactly why I asked for help here :-D I simply have NFC how it works | 01:50 |
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| trip0 | is the build server down? | 02:47 |
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| rtyler | hm, I did an apt-get upgrade from the rootsh, and the update center still complains that I need to update to maemo 5 | 03:00 |
| * rtyler wonders if he'll ever get to PR 1.3 | 03:00 | |
| nox- | istr mention of upgrade via apt being broken... | 03:02 |
| nox- | so just try the program manager way | 03:02 |
| rtyler | I don't have a USB hookup to back up to | 03:02 |
| nox- | or app manager or whatever its called | 03:02 |
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| nox- | you can backup to usd too | 03:02 |
| nox- | microsd | 03:02 |
| rtyler | can I just not backup >_> | 03:04 |
| nox- | if you prefer... :) | 03:04 |
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| nox- | ~pr1.3 | 03:05 |
| infobot | pr1.3 is, like, the latest (and probably last) software update for Fremantle, available since Monday October 25 2010. More information at http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_5/PR1.3 -- see ~flashing for how to update | 03:05 |
| nox- | hm | 03:06 |
| nox- | rtyler, if it tells you to upgrade via pcsuite try again and look at `details' for the cause | 03:06 |
| nox- | for /me it was perl which i just upgraded manually via apt-get install | 03:07 |
| nox- | then it was happy | 03:07 |
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| pupnik | "A federal spending surge of more than $20 billion for roads and bridges in President Barack Obama’s first stimulus has had no effect on local unemployment rates" http://www.thefreemanonline.org/columns/not-so-fast/stimulus-fail/# | 03:14 |
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| dolp | great.. maemo 5 sdk gui installer almost works | 03:22 |
| * GeneralAntilles yawns | 03:23 | |
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| prgmrchris | /wc | 03:35 |
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| rtyler | dun dun dun, rebooting | 03:38 |
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| nox- | rtyler, was you problem also perl? | 03:41 |
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| wileybd | ok jacekowski i just got back so im grabbing it now | 03:48 |
| wileybd | thanks | 03:48 |
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| Termana | morning | 04:09 |
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| wileybd | Morning? holly crap i better go to bed soon | 04:11 |
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| Creteil | zzzZZZ | 04:19 |
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| lolloo | so guys how is PR1.3? | 04:20 |
| lolloo | 3d movement still sluggish to me | 04:21 |
| lolloo | flipping between apps still sluggish | 04:21 |
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| Termana | lolloo, bullet about to be lodge in your head, still slug... gish | 04:26 |
| Termana | lodged* | 04:26 |
| lolloo | hehehe | 04:26 |
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| lolloo | i mean its slow | 04:26 |
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| lolloo | is it ok to update to PR1.3 through App manager? | 04:49 |
| lolloo | or is it better to Flash entirely | 04:50 |
| lolloo | ? | 04:50 |
| lolloo | using Vanilla is it better? | 04:51 |
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| Gorroth | hello | 05:15 |
| pronto | jell-o | 05:16 |
| nox- | lolloo, upgrading via appmanager worked for me at least (after manually upgrading perl) | 05:18 |
| nox- | apt-get install perl | 05:18 |
| nox- | i mean | 05:18 |
| nox- | (it complained about perl when suggesting upgrading via pcsuite initially...) | 05:19 |
| nox- | bbl | 05:19 |
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| lolloo | do you still feel flipping through apps is still jerky? | 05:21 |
| lolloo | and pics too. | 05:21 |
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| Gorroth | does maemo have the squid proxy anywhere? i don't find it in extras/-testing/-devel | 05:29 |
| Gorroth | i just find polipo | 05:29 |
| lolloo | nor meego has one | 05:32 |
| lolloo | hehehe | 05:32 |
| Gorroth | :( | 05:33 |
| lolloo | use tor proxy | 05:33 |
| Gorroth | no, that's not what i'm trying to do | 05:33 |
| Gorroth | i'll just build it myself if i can | 05:33 |
| lolloo | what do you want to do? | 05:34 |
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| Gorroth | install squid | 05:34 |
| lolloo | why? | 05:34 |
| Gorroth | personal reasons | 05:34 |
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| lolloo | personal? | 05:35 |
| the_lord-n900 | any news on the repo? | 05:35 |
| lolloo | do you want to hack someone? | 05:35 |
| Gorroth | that's what i said | 05:35 |
| Gorroth | i said personal | 05:35 |
| lolloo | personal = bad things | 05:36 |
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| Gorroth | if you say so | 05:36 |
| lolloo | keep away from my phone | 05:36 |
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| wileybd | Props to DocScrutinizer, MohammadAG51, jacekowski and everyone else who helped me, now i can have a few a bud lights and get ready for work at 6:00am get my n900 back, ah the power of open source! | 05:56 |
| SpeedEvil | :) | 05:56 |
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| wileybd | Oh SpeedEvil too he had some things to say as well! | 06:02 |
| Gorroth | what about me?! | 06:07 |
| wileybd | dam i forgetting everyone here | 06:08 |
| Gorroth | yeah, i told you about that one thing | 06:08 |
| timoph | wileybd: time zones are fun. irssi shows me that you posted that 'ready for work' comment at 5:56am :) | 06:08 |
| wileybd | and Gorroth man you guys dont play around! | 06:08 |
| Gorroth | i was lying | 06:08 |
| Gorroth | i was never here | 06:08 |
| Gorroth | :) | 06:09 |
| wileybd | nice! | 06:09 |
| wileybd | i was like who ? | 06:09 |
| wileybd | i know i had alot help but man | 06:09 |
| wileybd | oh well Gorroth as well! | 06:10 |
| Gorroth | no, i was never here | 06:10 |
| wileybd | i was trying to figure what the hell did he help me with | 06:10 |
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| wileybd | well anyhow this place is nice! | 06:11 |
| wileybd | timoph yeah work is going to suck tommorow | 06:12 |
| wileybd | get there and open the stupid cm synergy and look at the dam code changes and merges i get to do sounds like fun to me | 06:13 |
| wileybd | all i know is my phone is working and its fast now | 06:13 |
| wileybd | and i just grabbed my last beer | 06:14 |
| timoph | :) | 06:14 |
| Gorroth | "cm synergy"? what is that | 06:15 |
| Gorroth | man, my n900 i still don't consider fast. not next to my nexus one | 06:15 |
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| wileybd | cm synergy is just a complex software repository/configuration management tool that does all that fun stuff | 06:26 |
| wileybd | its a pain in the ass | 06:27 |
| wileybd | actually its called rational synergy now that ibm ownes it | 06:27 |
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| RobbieThe1st | ..Well, that answers my question quite handily | 08:03 |
| trip0 | oh ya? | 08:06 |
| RobbieThe1st | Yea. | 08:06 |
| RobbieThe1st | Quote: "repository down since ~00:00 Oct 31. for unknown cause" | 08:06 |
| trip0 | hrm | 08:06 |
| RobbieThe1st | Ah, well, back to uploading packages to my own site I guess... | 08:07 |
| trip0 | :nod: | 08:07 |
| trip0 | i've been trying to upload for the past few hours as well | 08:07 |
| trip0 | guess i can stop trying | 08:07 |
| trip0 | i need to send my n900 in for repair tomorrow anyway | 08:08 |
| trip0 | probably won't ever see it again :( | 08:08 |
| timeless_mbp | trip0: i need to send mine in a week from today | 08:14 |
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| timeless_mbp | (when i get back to .fi) | 08:14 |
| trip0 | timeless_mbp, what did you do to yours? | 08:17 |
| trip0 | my usb port fell off] | 08:17 |
| trip0 | :P | 08:17 |
| timeless_mbp | it's been on permanent loan to a friend | 08:18 |
| timeless_mbp | he attacked the usb port this time | 08:18 |
| trip0 | ahh | 08:18 |
| timeless_mbp | he's also managed to do in the screen | 08:18 |
| timeless_mbp | his timing sucked though, since he told me about the problem saturday night, and i flew to france sunday | 08:18 |
| timeless_mbp | and he's traveling later in the week | 08:18 |
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| johnx | so, how was everyone's halloween? | 08:26 |
| RST38h | moo johnx, all | 08:27 |
| johnx | m00f RST38h | 08:27 |
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| RobbieThe1st | :D It worked! I now have two scripts: One, which takes a debian source package and makes .deb binary package, and another which uploads that file and the .changes file to my webserver! | 08:35 |
| opdf2 | hmm I was about to upgrade to 1.3. Is the repo still down? | 08:35 |
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| psycho_oreos | looks like it still is down | 08:39 |
| opdf2 | grr | 08:40 |
| psycho_oreos | guess I'm partially lucky to not have migrated to PR1.3 during this time or I'd be stuck in the same boat as you :) | 08:42 |
| psycho_oreos | or at least to those with half setup pr1.3 lol | 08:43 |
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| opdf2 | is the emmc vanilla the same version? | 08:44 |
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| opdf2 | dev nokia is down, I can't download any firmware either | 08:45 |
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| RobbieThe1st | and yea, emmc's the same | 08:45 |
| RobbieThe1st | I'd upload the PR1.3 file for you guys, but I think I'd probably get grumped at for distributing copyrighted files or something like that... | 08:46 |
| opdf2 | yeah i know, it's part of the agreement when dl | 08:46 |
| opdf2 | i guess I gotta wait | 08:46 |
| psycho_oreos | the leaked pr1.3 global firmware is the same as official release | 08:47 |
| RobbieThe1st | hm... checked the torrents? | 08:48 |
| psycho_oreos | same md5sum should I add :) | 08:49 |
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| RobbieThe1st | I have to say, -this- is the one problem I have with frigging eulas and such - it's free to download, but if the site goes down... everyone's out of luck. Contrast to all good old GPL software - mirrored in a dozen places, at least! | 08:53 |
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| RobbieThe1st | </rant> | 08:55 |
| psycho_oreos | this is not the only restraint maemo community and nokia's approach has been facing.. the rolling updates are not available to the public is another held back | 08:55 |
| johnx | mmmm. mirrors.kernel.org is my favorite | 08:56 |
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| RobbieThe1st | Quick question, guys. What's a good cli tool in Busybox for returning info on a PID? Like, if it's still running, what status, etc? | 09:17 |
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| johnx | is this a trick question? is there some reason ps doesn't work? | 09:17 |
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| RobbieThe1st | ty | 09:18 |
| johnx | :) | 09:18 |
| psycho_oreos | isn't there pidof? | 09:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | opdf2: http://maemo.jacekowski.org/binary/firmware/ | 09:18 |
| psycho_oreos | or pgrep? | 09:18 |
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| johnx | psycho_oreos, he asked about returning info on a PID, not returning the pid of a process | 09:19 |
| psycho_oreos | johnx, oh *facepalms self* | 09:19 |
| johnx | I cheated. I reread it :) | 09:19 |
| RobbieThe1st | Yea, I've got the PID... Now, what's the -right- way to go about extracting a line from ps? | 09:19 |
| psycho_oreos | grep? | 09:19 |
| johnx | ps | grep '^$pid' | 09:19 |
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| RobbieThe1st | Bingo | 09:20 |
| johnx | s/'/"/g | 09:20 |
| infobot | johnx meant: ps | grep "^$pid" | 09:20 |
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| johnx | the ^ is for beginning of the line | 09:20 |
| psycho_oreos | $pid as in the variable? | 09:20 |
| RobbieThe1st | Yea, I forgot which character | 09:20 |
| RobbieThe1st | did beginning of line | 09:21 |
| johnx | psycho_oreos, heh. did I just screw that up | 09:21 |
| johnx | ? | 09:21 |
| RobbieThe1st | Aand, it's actuaally "busybox ps | grep "^ $pid" | 09:21 |
| psycho_oreos | johnx, no I don't know.. that command you just typed is completely new to me, normally I'd do ps| grep <pid> | 09:21 |
| RobbieThe1st | Note the space | 09:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer | RobbieThe1st: a line? | 09:22 |
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| johnx | psycho_oreos, yeah, I meant $pid as in a variable | 09:22 |
| psycho_oreos | johnx, again not sure lol | 09:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | meh | 09:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~messybox | 09:22 |
| infobot | messy... err busybox is meant for lean scripting. Regarding all the missing options and immanent limitations (see su) it's not really the interactive shell of choice. A lot of people hate busybox because a lot of system integrators don't understand the difference between busybox and a decent user interactive shell plus unix utils | 09:22 |
| johnx | if you don't match the beginning of the line with ^ there's a good chance that another number somewhere will happen to match your PID | 09:22 |
| RobbieThe1st | Doc busybox ps | grep "^ $pid" does what I want | 09:22 |
| RobbieThe1st | ^^ exactly why I wanted that | 09:23 |
| psycho_oreos | that's true | 09:23 |
| johnx | DocScrutinizer, thanks for causing infobot to spam the channel with things everyone here already knows. very helpful | 09:23 |
| RobbieThe1st | Also, any way to get any more info out of busybox? I get path and user currently | 09:23 |
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| johnx | RobbieThe1st, install a better version of ps :) | 09:24 |
| psycho_oreos | `set' would have lots of environment variables I suppose predefined | 09:24 |
| RobbieThe1st | Yea, I suppose. My problem is that I'm running in a ramdisk, trying to use as few "extra" tools as possible. I have a problem in that, for some users of my software, gnu tar seems to "lock up", and never exit. | 09:25 |
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| Creteil | damn, repositories always down :-( | 09:25 |
| johnx | Creteil, it's only down when you need it | 09:26 |
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| RobbieThe1st | quick Q: I have a "while [ -n "$(ps -e | grep $pid)" ]; do" | 09:29 |
| RobbieThe1st | What's the proper way to change the grep to use "^ $pid" instead of just $pid | 09:29 |
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| johnx | should be able to replace $pid with "^ $pid" directly | 09:31 |
| johnx | also, I think ps and ps -e behave exactly the same on maemo busybox | 09:31 |
| RobbieThe1st | hm... doing something wrong here | 09:31 |
| RobbieThe1st | Yea, I think you are right there - 'ps -e' was part of some example, and it worked, so... | 09:32 |
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| johnx | ah, oops. two sets of "s :) | 09:33 |
| johnx | uhm, take the outside ones off. shouldn't be necessary I think | 09:33 |
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| RobbieThe1st | while [ -n '$(ps | grep "^ $pid")' ]; do echo 'test'; done works right | 09:35 |
| RobbieThe1st | without the ''s, it gives an error | 09:35 |
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| johnx | and there it is, right there in my favorite guide: http://tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/comparison-ops.html | 09:38 |
| johnx | told me I should have used quotes ... | 09:38 |
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| RobbieThe1st | yea | 09:40 |
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| RobbieThe1st | to be honest, I use that guide too - I can't always find what I'm looking for though | 09:40 |
| RobbieThe1st | And, of course, ash/bash differences are a pain | 09:40 |
| johnx | yeah | 09:40 |
| johnx | I think it does an ok job of noting bashisms | 09:41 |
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| johnx | but still a pain | 09:41 |
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| RobbieThe1st | Too bad the py2deb only works on the N900... I'd love to have it running on my Debian main boxc | 09:49 |
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| ieatlint | what's so special about the n900 that py2deb only works on it? | 09:51 |
| RobbieThe1st | Some library | 09:51 |
| RobbieThe1st | It requires python2.5-py2deb, which requires a couple of maemo packages... | 09:52 |
| ieatlint | i want to run the old tie fighter video game on my n900 | 09:52 |
| RobbieThe1st | Do it? You've got dosbox | 09:52 |
| ieatlint | hmmm, true | 09:52 |
| ieatlint | ok, that's awesome... i need to see if i can get it working when i haven't had 3 glasses of wine and 2 beers | 09:53 |
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| ieatlint | (i was verbally abusive drunk neighbour for halloween, but it wasn't planned" | 09:54 |
| RobbieThe1st | But what's the fun in -that-? | 09:54 |
| johnx | doing it sober? no challenge. | 09:54 |
| ieatlint | i wrote a bit of code earlier | 09:55 |
| ieatlint | i already have proven the ballmer peak | 09:55 |
| johnx | and then rapidly degenerated to yelling 'developers' at strangers and throwing chairs? | 09:56 |
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| ieatlint | s/strangers/small children asking for candy/ | 09:57 |
| Myrtti | myyh. my phone hasn't gone forward at all yet | 09:58 |
| johnx | ah. right. you're still partying. Us here in the future are already getting ready for work :P | 09:58 |
| ieatlint | 1am... | 09:58 |
| johnx | may I be the first sysadmin on here to say: Daylight savings is a *(&#$# nightmare | 09:59 |
| johnx | ieatlint, somehow I thought you were in NZ or Oz | 09:59 |
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| RobbieThe1st | ...WTH? Ok, so I made a .deb package. If I look inside it with ark, I see that I've got a data.tar.gz file, and inside it are my files. one of these is /etc/bootmenu.d/backupmenu.item. I install the package on my N900 with dpkg -i as root, and it installs "properly". The file is never created though | 10:00 |
| ieatlint | if i were in nz or oz, it'd be after work | 10:00 |
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| Alecjw | hi there, anyone know why i cant sign in to my server with ssh pubkey auth from my n900? i get authentication failed although the private key's in ~/.ssh | 10:00 |
| RobbieThe1st | the dir's there.. | 10:00 |
| ieatlint | it's 7pm in sydney | 10:00 |
| ieatlint | 9pm in wellington | 10:00 |
| Alecjw | 8am in london | 10:01 |
| Myrtti | it's coffee o'clock in Finland | 10:01 |
| johnx | ieatlint, ok. I might have killed too many braincells saturday | 10:01 |
| RobbieThe1st | http://robbiethe1st.afraid.org/BackupMenu/backupmenu_0.50-1_all.deb is my deb. Can anyone see what's wrong with it? | 10:02 |
| ieatlint | sounds like fun | 10:02 |
| ieatlint | i'm out in california where the bars are still open for another hour | 10:02 |
| flux | alecjw, I recently found out that you might require a dss key, rsa won't do. or then it was something else. but it's worth trying out. | 10:02 |
| flux | (s/require/need/) | 10:02 |
| johnx | Alecjw, check permissions on the keys | 10:02 |
| ieatlint | and the local sports team just won an important game... woo, local sports team! | 10:02 |
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| flux | alecjw, hm, actually, nevermind, this wasn't probably relevant :) | 10:03 |
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| johnx | ieatlint, did they rush more hoops than the other team? awesome | 10:03 |
| ieatlint | no, it's lamer than basketball... it's baseball! | 10:04 |
| Alecjw | flux, so it might work if i generate a different key with ssh-keygen? | 10:04 |
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| johnx | ah. I was going for a generic smattering of sports lingo | 10:04 |
| Alecjw | johnx, should be 600 i assume? | 10:05 |
| ieatlint | "hoops" was too specific i'm afraid | 10:05 |
| johnx | Alecjw, that'd be good | 10:05 |
| johnx | and authorized_keys probably shouldn't be writable by other | 10:05 |
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| Alecjw | hmm, ive lost read access to .ssh | 10:08 |
| ieatlint | authorized_keys is typicallys 600 or 644 | 10:09 |
| ieatlint | .ssh is typically 700 | 10:09 |
| Alecjw | hmm, my permissions are right now... but still cant log in | 10:11 |
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| Alecjw | ah ill have to try it from another computer, see if its a key problem | 10:11 |
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| ieatlint | try on the client enabling as much verbosity as you can | 10:12 |
| ieatlint | it will tell you if it rejects your key | 10:12 |
| ieatlint | if it does, then you need to debug from the server side | 10:12 |
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| RobbieThe1st | Hm... So, erm, I'm building my maemo package(it's a python script, so no actual compiling/arch=all) using "dpkg-buildpackage -B" from an amd64 Debian install. Is this wrong? | 10:14 |
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| RobbieThe1st | I'm using: py2deb to make the source-package, then "dpkg-source -x ./file.dsc", cd into the directory, then run the dpkg-buildpackage command | 10:14 |
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| zokier | argh.. i think i broke my scratcbox again | 10:18 |
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| Alecjw | ieatlint, i'll have to try that tonight when i can get on to the server. thanks | 10:22 |
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| Alecjw | anyway im off now, bye all | 10:24 |
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| zap | Anybody knows where desktop shortcuts are stored? | 10:29 |
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| krayon | zap: I believe in gconf or whatever | 10:31 |
| user_ | hey guys how am i able to install moonlight in firefox | 10:32 |
| tybollt | so | 10:32 |
| tybollt | in kde4 what pkg have you got to add to get 'kate'? | 10:32 |
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| tybollt | (on-topic-r-us) | 10:32 |
| johnx | what distro? | 10:32 |
| zokier | http://packages.ubuntu.com/lucid/kate maybe? | 10:33 |
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| user_ | anyone knows? | 10:34 |
| krayon | zap: You can see references to their locations using: gconftool-2 -R /apps/osso/hildon-desktop/applets | 10:34 |
| krayon | zap: I'm guessing though, just got an N900 recently, still exploring :P | 10:34 |
| johnx | user_, are you sure it's available for ARM? | 10:34 |
| zap | Hmm, it references the .desktop file directly | 10:34 |
| user_ | that idk but firefox linked me to it | 10:35 |
| tybollt | zokier: danke schön! | 10:35 |
| zap | then why I'm getting a normal icon in app menu, and a blue square on the desktop... | 10:35 |
| jacekowski | johnx: somebody did it | 10:35 |
| tybollt | johnx: what zokier said ;) | 10:35 |
| jacekowski | johnx: in ubuntu | 10:35 |
| johnx | tybollt, packages.ubuntu.com is good. so is apt-file search (you'll need to install apt-file first) | 10:36 |
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| tybollt | in this case I was not aware "kate" was its own pacakge | 10:36 |
| user_ | only 32/64 bit | 10:37 |
| user_ | no amr sadly | 10:37 |
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| user_ | this sux no adobe or moonlight | 10:39 |
| user_ | how ever can we keep this device updated | 10:39 |
| Myrtti | user_: but I heard that MS is abandoning Silverlight themselves... | 10:39 |
| user_ | that would be grea so whos the replacement | 10:40 |
| Myrtti | HTML5 apparently | 10:40 |
| user_ | i see | 10:40 |
| RST38h | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/11/01/mac_app_store/ <=== another turn of the toilet plunger | 10:40 |
| user_ | and for a flash player? | 10:40 |
| user_ | the galaxy s of samsung is android 2.1 rite is it updateavle to 2.2? | 10:41 |
| johnx | RST38h, I suppose you're against linux package repositories too? | 10:41 |
| user_ | updateable* | 10:42 |
| timeless_mbp | hey... | 10:42 |
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| timeless_mbp | does nokia not provide -dbg packages for things? | 10:42 |
| * timeless_mbp thought we did | 10:42 | |
| Myrtti | user_: how would we know if it is updateable? | 10:42 |
| user_ | i might go over to android since there is more support forit | 10:43 |
| user_ | just asking | 10:43 |
| Myrtti | user_: good luck | 10:43 |
| RST38h | johnx: no, why? | 10:43 |
| johnx | tybollt, ah, but you can feed apt-file a path like /usr/bin/kate and it will just go out and tell you what provides it. same with packages.ubuntu.com | 10:43 |
| user_ | just asking | 10:43 |
| user_ | someone might have it here | 10:43 |
| johnx | RST38h, the mac app store is pretty darn close to any linux distros software repository, just with different rules about what can and can't be included | 10:43 |
| user_ | or is it possible for n900 to install android 2.2? | 10:44 |
| johnx | user_, google for nitdroid | 10:44 |
| johnx | dunno what version of android it is. what did you need silverlight for though? | 10:44 |
| user_ | silverlight link me automatic to moonlight | 10:45 |
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| Myrtti | I've seen Silverlight used in only one place, Ryanair destination map | 10:45 |
| RST38h | johnx: It is the rules and the exclusivity that I am cackling about | 10:45 |
| user_ | but android have flash 10@support | 10:45 |
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| johnx | user_, ok. then you should go install android | 10:46 |
| alterego | good moaning | 10:46 |
| user_ | so this nitroid is same as android? | 10:46 |
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| johnx | RST38h, heh. I just think it's funny people are making such a big fuss about it when linux distros have been doing the same thing for more than a decade. of course apple gets to set the rules for its own repository. only makes sense | 10:47 |
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| RST38h | johnx: once again, do not mix technologies and policies | 10:49 |
| RST38h | johnx: Yes, Debian official repos have got a lot of funny rules and limitations | 10:49 |
| RST38h | johnx: But there are unofficial repos that do not have these rules, and you can make your own easily | 10:49 |
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| RobbieThe1st | Yea | 10:50 |
| johnx | looks like apple will allow 'unofficial' apps on macs for the time being (through 10.7 at least) | 10:50 |
| RST38h | johnx: Yea, so it seems | 10:50 |
| RobbieThe1st | It's quite common to have the official Debian repos, and then a couple PPAs or other repos for the extra software you want. | 10:50 |
| RST38h | johnx: But my guess is they will close this loophole once their shiuny new "app store" gets off the ground | 10:50 |
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| zap | Strange. A guy here tells me he updated to PR1.3 via App Manager without any "nokia PC suite" and without losing his rootfs. Was the PR1.3 updated in the meantime? | 10:51 |
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| RST38h | zap: I have done the same | 10:51 |
| johnx | zap, that's how I updated ... | 10:51 |
| RST38h | zap: apt-get upgrade and watch the blinkenlights | 10:52 |
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| zap | strange | 10:52 |
| Purti | hi guys, do u know Meego 1.1 Handset UX - Video player is built on top of which multimedia framework/library? | 10:52 |
| johnx | RST38h, time will tell. I'm not going to run around screaming "the sky is falling" over something apple may or may not do 3-4 years from now | 10:52 |
| zap | I had to reflash the device, losing a lot of packages not from reps... | 10:52 |
| RST38h | It does not even appear to reflash anything important | 10:52 |
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| johnx | zap, did app manager tell you to reflash? | 10:52 |
| zap | and having to wait several hours for AppManager to download the old debs from extras & such | 10:52 |
| zap | johnx: app manager told me to launch "Nokia PC suite" on PC | 10:53 |
| zap | but I don't speak windows | 10:53 |
| RST38h | johnx: Well, as I am not using Apple products, I won't either. But hopefulyl you will forgive me for cackling at the events :) | 10:53 |
| johnx | zap, if you looked at the 'problems' or 'installing' tab or whatever it would have told you what packages were conflicting that kept it from updating on the device | 10:53 |
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| RST38h | johnx: And it will be 1-2 years, not 3-4, most likely | 10:54 |
| johnx | I bet if they lock it down, it'll be 10.8 | 10:54 |
| zap | perhaps because I had debs not from repos? | 10:54 |
| johnx | 2-3 years between releases normally | 10:54 |
| johnx | and 10.7 is most of a year out still | 10:54 |
| johnx | zap, in my case I had installed a package that brought in lib-gles-1 which conflicted | 10:54 |
| johnx | after removing that package and its dependencies, it let me install on the device | 10:55 |
| alterego | Hrm, I don't think Apple have enought market share in the "PC" market to be able to pull that off. | 10:55 |
| johnx | alterego, just like they didn't have the market share in the phone market to pull it off? ;) | 10:55 |
| alterego | Unlike phone's I think laptops and desktops are easier for yuppies to move brand. | 10:55 |
| RobbieThe1st | Kinda funny really - I think BootCamp is the -most- used Mac app out there. | 10:55 |
| alterego | Phone is different, it's new shiny. | 10:56 |
| * johnx shrugs | 10:56 | |
| zap | johnx: so, if the update deb finds some conflicting packages, it will propose you to reflash the whole device? | 10:56 |
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| johnx | if apple thinks it will sell more product, they'll keep 3rd party access. if they think it won't sell more product, they'll cut it out. simple as that | 10:56 |
| tybollt | johnx: figures :P | 10:56 |
| johnx | zap, it seems like that | 10:56 |
| tybollt | apt-file | 10:56 |
| tybollt | The program 'apt-file' is currently not installed. To run 'apt-file' please ask your administrator to install the package 'apt-file' | 10:56 |
| tybollt | :D | 10:56 |
| mece | hmpf, is qtwrt still experimental? I thought it would be included in qt4.7 | 10:57 |
| johnx | tybollt, heh :D | 10:57 |
| tybollt | so I'll just install that then | 10:57 |
| tybollt | didn't know about apt-file to be honest | 10:57 |
| johnx | neither did I until maybe half a year ago :) | 10:58 |
| johnx | too many commands to know all of them. just hang out on IRC and people point you at interesting stuff :) | 10:59 |
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| tybollt | shrug | 11:03 |
| Jaffa | Morning, all | 11:04 |
| mece | Jaffa, 'ello | 11:04 |
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| RobbieThe1st | Hey guys, can anyone help me out building a .deb package from a source package? | 11:07 |
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| RobbieThe1st | So, I have py2deb making source-package stuff(.dsc and the .tar.gz) but making that into a .deb... The autobuilder's down, so I need to make it myself | 11:07 |
| mece | RobbieThe1st, I believe pypackager is recommended over py2deb | 11:08 |
| RobbieThe1st | Not sure how to use that... | 11:08 |
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| mece | RobbieThe1st, it's pretty much the same | 11:08 |
| mece | RobbieThe1st, regardless, don't change it now. | 11:08 |
| mece | just unpack the tar | 11:08 |
| mece | somewhere | 11:08 |
| RobbieThe1st | like, say dpkg-source -x ./file.dsc ./tmp | 11:09 |
| RobbieThe1st | ? | 11:09 |
| mece | RobbieThe1st, no, tar -xvf asdfasfd.tar.gz | 11:09 |
| mece | then do fakeroot debian/rules binary and you'll have a deb | 11:09 |
| mece | assuming you have armel sdk running | 11:10 |
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| RobbieThe1st | That's the problem - I'm trying to build a system-independant binary(python script stuff) on an amd64 debian system | 11:10 |
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| mece | RobbieThe1st, well it it's python, and you have architecture: all, you can build it on any system | 11:11 |
| mece | any system that has dpkg | 11:11 |
| mece | buildtools | 11:11 |
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| RobbieThe1st | I (used) "dpkg-buildpackage -B" and it built the package. I use dpkg-i on my n900... it installs | 11:11 |
| RobbieThe1st | But, no new files exist | 11:12 |
| RobbieThe1st | The files are -in- myn package | 11:12 |
| mece | umm..? | 11:12 |
| mece | RobbieThe1st, you make the kind of sense that is not | 11:12 |
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| RobbieThe1st | http://robbiethe1st.afraid.org/BackupMenu/backupmenu_0.50-1_all.deb | 11:12 |
| RobbieThe1st | Sorry. I have that deb package. | 11:12 |
| mece | ok.. | 11:13 |
| RobbieThe1st | I copied it over to my N900, ran "sudo gainroot", "dpkg -i ./backupmenu_0.50-1_all.deb" | 11:13 |
| mece | and it does nothing? | 11:13 |
| RobbieThe1st | It says installing... complete(don't have exact message infront of me) | 11:13 |
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| mece | py2deb is used, this is how you would do it: | 11:14 |
| mece | copy the files to their right place under, for example ./src/ | 11:14 |
| mece | edit the buildscript.py (or whatever you call it) | 11:14 |
| RobbieThe1st | Yea, I have that all working | 11:14 |
| mece | then | 11:14 |
| mece | run the buildscript | 11:14 |
| mece | then unpack the tar file | 11:15 |
| RobbieThe1st | I know that works because I uploaded previous sources to the extras-devel repo | 11:15 |
| mece | then do the buildpackage | 11:15 |
| mece | or debian/rules binary | 11:15 |
| mece | and that deb should work. | 11:15 |
| RobbieThe1st | That's what I did. Can you take a look at that .deb file? It seems to have all the files it should | 11:15 |
| RobbieThe1st | like, all the files in the data.tar.gz file..? | 11:16 |
| mece | ok, and the files are not copied to the places they should or..=? | 11:16 |
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| RobbieThe1st | That's the problem | 11:16 |
| mece | RobbieThe1st, could you send me the tar.gz file? | 11:16 |
| mece | or upload somewhere | 11:16 |
| RobbieThe1st | dpkg says "preparing to replace backupmenu..." "unpacking replacement" "setting up backupmenu.." and sure | 11:16 |
| RobbieThe1st | http://robbiethe1st.afraid.org/BackupMenu/backupmenu_0.50-1.tar.gz | 11:18 |
| RobbieThe1st | dsc file also: http://robbiethe1st.afraid.org/BackupMenu/backupmenu_0.50-1.dsc | 11:18 |
| RobbieThe1st | The file in question - especially - is /etc/bootmenu.d/backupmenu.item | 11:18 |
| RobbieThe1st | It should be a one-line file | 11:19 |
| mece | RobbieThe1st, why is the line #mkdir -p "$(CURDIR)/debian/backupmenu/etc/bootmenu.d/" cpommented? | 11:20 |
| RobbieThe1st | in..? | 11:21 |
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| mece | debian/rules | 11:21 |
| RobbieThe1st | No clue. I haven't touched that. | 11:22 |
| mece | oh.. ok | 11:22 |
| mece | oh well.. | 11:22 |
| RobbieThe1st | But that would explain something | 11:22 |
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| mece | hmm | 11:22 |
| mece | after you do buildpackage, you can check under the debian folder if the files are where they should be. | 11:22 |
| mece | unde debian/backupmenu/ | 11:22 |
| mece | under | 11:23 |
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| RobbieThe1st | Well, I'm not sure where it gets that either - the file should be in /etc/bootmenu.d/ - just like in the data.tar.gz | 11:23 |
| mece | oh my this 3 year old windows machine is really suffering when running a complete linux distro in virtualbox.. | 11:23 |
| mece | well, the whole source is copied to debian/backupmenu/ | 11:24 |
| mece | and there you should find the whole structure | 11:24 |
| mece | with ./usr/share and whatnot | 11:24 |
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| RobbieThe1st | Hm... not there | 11:25 |
| mece | it's only there after you create a package., | 11:25 |
| mece | try running debian/rules binary | 11:25 |
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| RobbieThe1st | Hm. | 11:27 |
| RobbieThe1st | I think I just found the problem - I noticed that that file was marked as a "configuration file" in debian/conffile | 11:27 |
| RobbieThe1st | I did a "apt-get remove --purge backupmenu" then dpkg -i ./backupmenu.deb... worked | 11:28 |
| RobbieThe1st | This brings up another question: how does it decide that something's a config file? | 11:29 |
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| mece | yeah, the tar file looks sound.. | 11:29 |
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| mece | here's some output: | 11:29 |
| mece | http://pastebin.com/LaDE4hGt | 11:29 |
| RobbieThe1st | thanks | 11:30 |
| mece | to check it it worked on the phone, just do ls -l /usr/share/backupmenu/ and see if the dates are current. | 11:31 |
| mece | dates on the files | 11:31 |
| RobbieThe1st | Yea | 11:31 |
| RobbieThe1st | In this case, I know it worked now - I'm guessing the problem was/is that that one file was a "configuration" file - and therefor not removed/overwritten with an install | 11:32 |
| RobbieThe1st | Anyway, it (more or less) works now, so thank | 11:33 |
| RobbieThe1st | *thanks a lot | 11:33 |
| Creteil | Is there a console command line utility to take a screenshot on the N900 ? | 11:34 |
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| Stskeeps | X-Fade: ping | 11:40 |
| RST38h | EHLO Stskeeps | 11:40 |
| Stskeeps | ehlo | 11:40 |
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| X-Fade | Stskeeps: pong | 11:44 |
| Stskeeps | X-Fade: http://pastie.org/1263626 - bottom part is a little weird | 11:44 |
| Stskeeps | heh, that's a new one | 11:45 |
| Stskeeps | "!!!uboot-pr13 breaks the 3rd party package policy" | 11:45 |
| X-Fade | Stskeeps: Yeah, well nobody normally gets messages like that. It is more of a debug for maemo.org people ;) | 11:46 |
| X-Fade | Stskeeps: So I guess the text doesn't match what it used to be pre chinook time or so. | 11:46 |
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| andrewfblack | anyone know a windows text editor that wont add ^m to lines. I need ot work on some stuff at work but when ever I do I have ot go back and remove all the crap windows adds to text files | 11:53 |
| Appiah | http://www.scintilla.org/SciTE.html andrewfblack | 11:54 |
| Appiah | thats what I use | 11:54 |
| RobbieThe1st | Or Geany | 11:55 |
| andrewfblack | thanks | 11:56 |
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| andrewfblack | Appiah: any idea if I open some files already messed up in that then resave will it fix them? I noticed the window end of line code doesn't show in it | 11:57 |
| jacekowski | X-Fade: so, any news on repositories | 11:57 |
| Appiah | no idea andrewfblack | 11:58 |
| X-Fade | jacekowski: ? | 11:58 |
| jacekowski | X-Fade: well, repositories were down yesterday | 11:58 |
| jacekowski | X-Fade: what happened? | 11:59 |
| X-Fade | jacekowski: We're waiting for the ISP to explain what happened. Some servers rebooted at least. | 11:59 |
| jacekowski | X-Fade: do you have rsync or something? | 11:59 |
| jacekowski | so i could easily get full copy of repository | 12:00 |
| X-Fade | jacekowski: No. | 12:00 |
| Termana | andrewfblack, I don't know what the other two recommended look like, but if you're just looking for a plain arse text editor like Notepad, check out Notepad++ in Unix mode. (and if you're working on code it does code highlighting) | 12:00 |
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| X-Fade | jacekowski: Akamai should cache the files, which it did. The problem was that the more dynamic files, didn't seem to get cached. | 12:02 |
| X-Fade | jacekowski: So the debs for instance were available, but not dir listings or Packages files etc. | 12:02 |
| andrewfblack | Termana: thanks | 12:02 |
| lcuk | andrewfblack, "dos2unix" is an app to remove windows infection ;) | 12:02 |
| psycho_oreos | lol | 12:02 |
| psycho_oreos | --strip-unneeded ;) | 12:03 |
| jacekowski | X-Fade: any plans to mirror this stuff in future? | 12:03 |
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| jacekowski | X-Fade: i could mirror it if you can provide some way of syncing it | 12:04 |
| RobbieThe1st | Quick question: I have a ash script with a loop: while [ -n '$(ps | grep "^ $pid")' ]; do <- it works on my debian box with busybox's ash, but when I actually run the script, it doesn't exit the loop when $pid exits | 12:04 |
| X-Fade | jacekowski: No plans atm. Problem is that where the origin is located, I can't setup any sync. | 12:04 |
| thp | anyone knows where the code is that reacts on key presses on the desktop? (it starts the contact search) | 12:05 |
| psycho_oreos | jacekowski, I suppose you could use some hack like apt-mirror :) that's what I've used | 12:05 |
| X-Fade | jacekowski: So it needs quite some reorg/changes to get rsync access from outside. | 12:05 |
| X-Fade | wget mirror is proably also possible ;) | 12:05 |
| psycho_oreos | wget with lots of hacks.. might as well use the pre-made script, would save you heck alot of time trying to wring out every small little bug in custom wget command line | 12:06 |
| X-Fade | hehe, yeah. | 12:06 |
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| summel | are there instructions on how to install meego 1.1 on a pr 1.3 phone? i cant find any that are updated. and yes, i know it is not intended for end users but i dont use the n900 as a phone anymore just for testing my quassel stuff | 12:11 |
| n900-space | \o/ | 12:11 |
| Stskeeps | summel: wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Install/MMC is up to date. | 12:11 |
| summel | thx i try that then :) | 12:12 |
| Jaffa | X-Fade: Presumably Nemein ticket #1546 is now in-progress (since no updates have come through since raising it) | 12:12 |
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| summel | Stskeeps: but with these instructions i need a computer with the flasher to boot meego? | 12:14 |
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| Stskeeps | summel: right, we're working on the dualboot still | 12:14 |
| Stskeeps | i just uploaded first piece of the puzzle | 12:14 |
| summel | i thought 1.3 had support for that | 12:14 |
| summel | :S | 12:14 |
| summel | i hoped it would wrk like nitdroid does atm :/ | 12:14 |
| Stskeeps | summel: newspapers says so much | 12:14 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 12:14 |
| summel | :D | 12:14 |
| andrewfblack | Termana: anyway to convert a file that already has windows crap in it to unix? | 12:15 |
| summel | so 1.3 was basically just a qt4 update? :S | 12:15 |
| summel | with a few small bugfixes | 12:15 |
| summel | none of which i ever noticed... but the important bugs are still there | 12:15 |
| summel | :S | 12:15 |
| Stskeeps | summel: long story short there was a change in kernel related to kexec, but we don't want to use kexec | 12:15 |
| summel | :D | 12:15 |
| summel | great | 12:15 |
| summel | so they added a feature that nobody wants to use | 12:15 |
| summel | yay for that :o | 12:15 |
| Stskeeps | did you see the dual boot video? | 12:15 |
| andrewfblack | lcuk: thanks need it on n900 lol screwed up a bunch of tempalte files at work maybe no one will update from devel lol | 12:16 |
| Stskeeps | summel: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2PQDZypO-5Y | 12:16 |
| summel | Stskeeps: no, i only have dualboot with nitdroid atm | 12:16 |
| summel | where not everything works but the stuff that works works way better then on maemo | 12:17 |
| summel | :S | 12:17 |
| Stskeeps | and | 12:17 |
| Stskeeps | ? | 12:17 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 12:17 |
| summel | thats bad :S | 12:17 |
| jacekowski | 26.4 GiB will be downloaded into archive. | 12:17 |
| jacekowski | that's more than i was expecting | 12:18 |
| Appiah | I'm happy that i can now lookup contacts in exchange that has other letters then a-z in their name | 12:18 |
| psycho_oreos | maemo.org repo? wait.. I think you're referring to fremantle part lol | 12:18 |
| Appiah | that was a anoying bug for me | 12:18 |
| jacekowski | psycho_oreos: full repo | 12:19 |
| jacekowski | psycho_oreos: i mean extras + testing + devel | 12:19 |
| jacekowski | just binary part | 12:19 |
| psycho_oreos | jacekowski, nah the full repo isn't that small, its well beyond 60GB | 12:19 |
| summel | Stskeeps: i want it like they did in that video | 12:19 |
| psycho_oreos | oh but that's still fremantle dist :) I thought you also meant stuff from bora, chinook, etc | 12:20 |
| jacekowski | psycho_oreos: nah it's all | 12:20 |
| psycho_oreos | jacekowski, yeah it shouldn't be that small afaik, its at least 60GB, I'll doublecheck with my old copy | 12:20 |
| summel | Stskeeps: so i just use -f instead of -l and then it would work? | 12:22 |
| summel | :o | 12:22 |
| summel | i dont the maemo anyways :o | 12:22 |
| Stskeeps | summel: i would advise against that | 12:22 |
| summel | hmk | 12:22 |
| jacekowski | 40M/s | 12:22 |
| jacekowski | should be finished in couple minutes | 12:23 |
| jacekowski | ah | 12:23 |
| jacekowski | yeah | 12:23 |
| jacekowski | it's only fremantle part | 12:23 |
| psycho_oreos | I thought so lol | 12:23 |
| summel | hm the link on the video does not have any instructions at all :S | 12:24 |
| Stskeeps | summel: guess what we're working on | 12:24 |
| summel | :D | 12:24 |
| summel | so i just wait a few days then | 12:24 |
| summel | anyone knows if the n900-meego does support WPA2 networks? | 12:25 |
| summel | the netbook version doesnt :S | 12:25 |
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| psycho_oreos | lol 110.4GB sitting on my hard disk for entire maemo deb repo mirrored from: 18/07/10 | 12:25 |
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| nid0 | summel, wpa2 is supported, afaik it just has problems with hidden ssid networks | 12:26 |
| nid0 | which need to die anyway | 12:26 |
| summel | nid0: wpa2 enterprise also? | 12:26 |
| jacekowski | summel: yes | 12:26 |
| summel | yay | 12:26 |
| jacekowski | summel: with bit of trickery | 12:26 |
| summel | i wonder why the netbook version doesnt :S | 12:26 |
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| jacekowski | somebody linked a program yesterday | 12:26 |
| summel | jacekowski: anything to read on that? :D | 12:27 |
| summel | ah ok | 12:27 |
| summel | i read the logs then | 12:27 |
| jacekowski | or two days ago | 12:27 |
| jacekowski | i compiled it for him | 12:27 |
| jacekowski | qt based stuff | 12:27 |
| jacekowski | maemo.jacekowski.org/binary/autoconnect | 12:27 |
| jacekowski | sources are avaliable somewhere on internet | 12:27 |
| summel | thx :) | 12:27 |
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| RST38h | Woodoo: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=64782 | 12:31 |
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| SkyscraperN900 | hello everybody | 13:19 |
| n900-space | hi | 13:19 |
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| Venemo_N900 | hey guys | 13:20 |
| n900-space | hey | 13:21 |
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| SkyscraperN900 | anyone know if theres an app which can perform actions like "activate wlan" based on celltower id? | 13:21 |
| n900-space | i'm havin a hard time updating updating nokia qt sdk :( | 13:21 |
| n900-space | sigh | 13:21 |
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| Venemo_N900 | n900-space: what's the problem? | 13:22 |
| n900-space | well as i googled and found out my usual user on fedora 12 is not in the sudoers list | 13:23 |
| n900-space | was not | 13:23 |
| Venemo_N900 | SkyscraperN900: I dunno of any, but there is an app called AutoDisconnect which may be of help | 13:23 |
| n900-space | and now i added it using one help page | 13:23 |
| Venemo_N900 | n900-space: why do you want it to be? | 13:23 |
| n900-space | and now i have to download the whole ~500 mb again to update the qt creator and madde update that the sdk is showing | 13:23 |
| SkyscraperN900 | venemo_n900 hm i want do disable wlan when not at home automatically because searching for wlans drains battery | 13:24 |
| Venemo_N900 | n900-space: for me, the updater could do the update on F13 | 13:24 |
| n900-space | Venemo_N900: i started the updater right, and after completely downloading it, it asked for my password and informed me that my user is not the in the sudoers list | 13:24 |
| Venemo_N900 | SkyscraperN900: ah. well there is wi-fi switcher, but it is not automatic | 13:25 |
| n900-space | i meant completely download the qt creator and madde update | 13:25 |
| Venemo_N900 | n900-space: well I installed the SDK as a normal user | 13:25 |
| Venemo_N900 | n900-space: and it did not require root permission when I updated it | 13:26 |
| SkyscraperN900 | venemo_n900 yes. maybe i will start a new thread in forum... it should be possible to do it automatic by celltowerid? | 13:26 |
| n900-space | sdk installed for for too Venemo_N900, but the update asked for the password and that after completion, and it discarded all the download :o | 13:27 |
| n900-space | that was not gud | 13:27 |
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| n900-space | all the download again on me slow internet | 13:27 |
| Venemo_N900 | SkyscraperN900: well if you know of an API or call that can detect the cell tower id (or even better, a dbus signal for it), then yes | 13:27 |
| Venemo_N900 | n900-space: huh... :( | 13:27 |
| vdv | never thought, that i would ever look for a pdf2chm converter.. | 13:27 |
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| Venemo_N900 | vdv: why are you looking for one? | 13:28 |
| n900-space | why vdv | 13:28 |
| SkyscraperN900 | venemo_n900 theres an app called celltowerinfo which displays the id of the current "connected" celltower | 13:28 |
| vdv | because i have a lot of pdf's with wide page format | 13:29 |
| zap | btw, does the name "MeeGo" have something with "me ego"? :) | 13:29 |
| vdv | and there's no pdf reader for maemo which supports reflow | 13:29 |
| n900-space | hehe... zap .. i'm sure no | 13:29 |
| Venemo_N900 | SkyscraperN900: well it it is open source, then it should be fairly easy | 13:29 |
| Venemo_N900 | zap: old joke | 13:29 |
| zap | well, I haven't heard it ^_^ | 13:30 |
| Venemo_N900 | vdv: hm, does neither of them support it? hm. | 13:30 |
| vdv | Venemo_N900, no | 13:30 |
| Venemo_N900 | vdv: :( | 13:30 |
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| Venemo_N900 | zap: :D | 13:31 |
| SkyscraperN900 | venemo_n900 dont know if its OS | 13:31 |
| vdv | i've installed fbreader, it's cool, but it doesn't support pdf | 13:31 |
| Venemo_N900 | zap: first appeared when the name was announced | 13:31 |
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| Venemo_N900 | SkyscraperN900: do a google search on the app | 13:32 |
| vdv | so, reading pdf's on my n900 is very painfull at the moment | 13:32 |
| Venemo_N900 | SkyscraperN900: many apps for Maemo are OSS, but many of them don't emphasize this | 13:32 |
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| Venemo_N900 | vdv: well, I rarely read pdfs on mine, so I can't give you an advice | 13:33 |
| zokier | pdfs are not really meant to be reflowed, although it could be sometimes useful | 13:34 |
| Venemo_N900 | zokier: yeah | 13:34 |
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| Venemo_N900 | btw, this was the first weekend when I didn't bother to bring my laptop home with myself | 13:36 |
| Venemo_N900 | the N900 was a very capable computer replacement :) | 13:36 |
| n900-space | thats cool | 13:37 |
| n900-space | are your chatting on n900 right now? | 13:37 |
| Venemo_N900 | yes, that's why my name is postfixed with _N900 | 13:37 |
| n900-space | i c | 13:37 |
| Venemo_N900 | I'm on a train right now | 13:37 |
| n900-space | :) | 13:37 |
| n900-space | cool | 13:37 |
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| Venemo_N900 | heading back to Budapest | 13:38 |
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| psycho_oreos | lol been there done that, I've tethered my n900 :p | 13:38 |
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| SkyscraperN900 | venemo_n900 https://garage.maemo.org/projects/celltowerinfo/ | 13:39 |
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| n900-space | Venemo_N900: my fingers sometimes get tired of chatting on n900's keyboard, i wish i cud replace its tiny keyboard with the one with a bit softer touch | 13:39 |
| Venemo_N900 | SkyscraperN900: :) | 13:39 |
| Venemo_N900 | SkyscraperN900: please remind me once I get home :) | 13:40 |
| Venemo_N900 | n900-space: yeah. I only type with me thumbs on it | 13:40 |
| SkyscraperN900 | venemo_n900 but theres no source ;( or i'm to idiot to find it xD | 13:40 |
| n900-space | me too | 13:40 |
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| n900-space | are your using xchat Venemo_N900? | 13:40 |
| Venemo_N900 | n900-space: it needs some getting used to, but I can type on it almost as fast as on a laptop | 13:41 |
| Venemo_N900 | n900-space: no, I use communi | 13:41 |
| Venemo_N900 | SkyscraperN900: click on the scm tab | 13:41 |
| n900-space | my n900 has been away now for about a month :( .. i came back home after a contract ended, and my friend who has n97 wanted to experience n900, so i gave him for 2 weeks, and he posted gud review on it to my friends, and now another close friend said he wants it for a week too, and now he has it! | 13:42 |
| yacc | n900-space: well, pidgin makes a quite feasible irc client too. | 13:42 |
| n900-space | i'm missing it so much | 13:42 |
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| SkyscraperN900 | i'm using xchat@n900-space | 13:42 |
| n900-space | :o ... i havnt used communi, | 13:42 |
| SkyscraperN900 | venemo_n900 ah ok... need git for n900 lol | 13:42 |
| * n900-space notes down what he has to download next | 13:42 | |
| n900-space | xchat is so cool SkyscraperN900 | 13:43 |
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| SkyscraperN900 | n900-space i hate those colors | 13:43 |
| yacc | I wonder if there is some way to enter Fn-Sym from a x11vnc session? Or somehow fix the keymaps that entering all symbols directly is feasible? | 13:43 |
| n900-space | you can edit them i guess | 13:43 |
| Venemo_N900 | n900-space: well mine was away for 2 weeks (on repair) | 13:43 |
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| Venemo_N900 | n900-space: I was getting by with an N95+N810 combo | 13:44 |
| Venemo_N900 | n900-space: then they said they couldn't repair the N900... | 13:44 |
| n900-space | n95 for phone and n810 as a computer | 13:44 |
| Venemo_N900 | n900-space: so they replaced it with a new one | 13:44 |
| n900-space | awesome :) | 13:45 |
| SkyscraperN900 | yacc can you use return key in x11vnc? | 13:45 |
| Venemo_N900 | n900-space: and the N810 was able to use the N95's data connection | 13:46 |
| Venemo_N900 | n900-space: how cool is that? | 13:46 |
| SkyscraperN900 | venemo_n900 talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=739840&postcount=25 | 13:46 |
| n900-space | i know ! | 13:47 |
| Venemo_N900 | SkyscraperN900: could you paste this again prefixed with http:// ? | 13:47 |
| Venemo_N900 | SkyscraperN900: I can't click on it this way | 13:47 |
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| n900-space | its was a remarkable thing by Nokia that they made these tablet products, turned out to be really gud for them | 13:48 |
| Venemo_N900 | n900-space: yeah | 13:48 |
| SkyscraperN900 | venemo_n900 http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=739840&postcount=25 | 13:48 |
| Venemo_N900 | thx | 13:48 |
| n900-space | and for us | 13:48 |
| yacc | SkyscraperN900: yeah. x11vnc as is quite functional, but all the symbols that are on Fn-Sym are not directly typeable via vnc :( | 13:48 |
| SkyscraperN900 | seems opera cropped http away | 13:48 |
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| SkyscraperN900 | yacc i have to press ctrl-return to type return on n900 | 13:49 |
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| yacc | SkyscraperN900: e.g. I'm currently chatting via my desktops keyboard and display :) | 13:49 |
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| SkyscraperN900 | yacc i have done that those weekend for writing sms | 13:50 |
| Venemo_N900 | SkyscraperN900: so it is basically a D-Bus call... cool! | 13:50 |
| SkyscraperN900 | yacc but if display goes off i have to wake it up by touching hardware touchscreen | 13:50 |
| yacc | Well, for SMS I do need to hit the Send button via the mouse. | 13:51 |
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| Venemo_N900 | SkyscraperN900: you can set it not to go in standby while charging | 13:51 |
| yacc | SkyscraperN900: the only thing that does not work greatly is the browser, it takes the mouse events and switches to mousepointer mode, hence making scrolling hard :( | 13:51 |
| Venemo_N900 | SkyscraperN900: or if you're not charging it, use the brightness applet's setting to keep the screen on | 13:52 |
| mece | is there a particular reason why WSEGL_UseHWSync is 0? | 13:52 |
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| Stskeeps | cos it doesn't work | 13:53 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 13:53 |
| Venemo_N900 | mece: what is that? | 13:53 |
| Stskeeps | simple as that | 13:53 |
| Venemo_N900 | Stskeeps: lol | 13:53 |
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| Skyscraper09 | owned | 13:55 |
| Skyscraper09 | that was my n900 battery | 13:55 |
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| Venemo_N900 | Skyscraper09: heh | 13:55 |
| mece | Stskeeps, does nothing? | 13:55 |
| Skyscraper09 | venemo_n900 what have you written? | 13:55 |
| Stskeeps | mece: the implementation is first in later drivers | 13:55 |
| mece | Stskeeps, do the drivers exist? | 13:56 |
| Stskeeps | sure they do, didn't you see thp's video? | 13:56 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 13:56 |
| Venemo_N900 | Skyscraper09: the brightness applet can make it keep the screen on, so you won't have trouble with it with x11vnc | 13:56 |
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| mece | what video who? | 13:56 |
| Stskeeps | sec.. | 13:56 |
| Skyscraper09 | venemo_n900 i have found a dbus call to hold screen on... so i start a simple "x11vnc.sh" with dbus-call and 15 sec sleep xD works! | 13:57 |
| Stskeeps | mece: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cWtMLs3j09U&feature=player_embedded | 13:57 |
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| n900-space | :( my sdk update completed, reported the hash was not correct, so i clicked on retry, and now again i'm at the download sccreen showing download is 100% complete, but nothing is happening! | 13:58 |
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| mece | Stskeeps, heh I was talking about maemo | 13:58 |
| Skyscraper09 | venemo_n900 can i find out the celltowerid via dbus-send in xterm? | 13:58 |
| * n900-space glares at Qt ! | 13:58 | |
| Stskeeps | mece: oh, out of luck then, too old kernel for this kind of stuff | 13:58 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 13:58 |
| Venemo_N900 | n900-space: well sounds like you'd better off completely uninstalling it | 13:59 |
| mece | Stskeeps, so the driver doesn't support it? | 13:59 |
| Stskeeps | mece: driver doesn't support it and neither does DSS2 in kernel | 13:59 |
| ham5 | whats a url for info on whats in the power user kernel? | 13:59 |
| mece | Stskeeps, so setting it to 1 does nothing | 13:59 |
| ham5 | just overclocking ? | 13:59 |
| Stskeeps | shouldn't, at least when i tried it, i still saw tearing | 13:59 |
| mece | okido | 13:59 |
| Venemo_N900 | Skyscraper09: yes, with some dbus tool using the stuff from that .py code | 13:59 |
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| crashanddie | Stskeeps: looks like meego is what maemo 5 should've been | 14:05 |
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| Stskeeps | mm? | 14:05 |
| crashanddie | it looks good. Shame Nokia missed the mark by approx 2 years | 14:05 |
| crashanddie | re: that video you linked | 14:05 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 14:05 |
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| rokr1 | hello all | 14:05 |
| rokr1 | how can i get the PR1.1 keyboard in PR1.3 | 14:06 |
| Venemo_N900 | crashanddie: yes, but if only someone told me if there's going to be multiple homescreens/homescreen widgets on meego | 14:06 |
| Skyscraper09 | venemo_n900 dbus-send --system --print-reply --dest=com.nokia.phone.net /com/nokia/phone/net get_registration_status --- doesnt work. whats wrong? | 14:06 |
| rokr1 | PR1.2 and PR1.3 virtual keyboard is Aweful | 14:06 |
| Venemo_N900 | crashanddie: noone could answer this question yet | 14:06 |
| Venemo_N900 | Skyscraper09: I dunno, never used the command line dbus tool | 14:07 |
| rokr1 | awful | 14:07 |
| Venemo_N900 | rokr1: hardware kb rocks | 14:07 |
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| rokr1 | i dont want to use hardware keyboard often | 14:07 |
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| Venemo_N900 | rokr1: why not? | 14:08 |
| rokr1 | i just dont like to use it often no reason | 14:08 |
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| Venemo_N900 | rokr1: well I prefer to use it much | 14:09 |
| rokr1 | DocScrutinizer | 14:09 |
| rokr1 | remove this PR1.3 being released slowly but surely. Be patient | 14:09 |
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| rokr1 | venemo r u using telenor ?? | 14:10 |
| rokr1 | Venemo -> sound suppressor on | 14:11 |
| rokr1 | where r u ? | 14:11 |
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| rokr1 | anyone here who uses mugen battery ?? | 14:12 |
| BluesLee | MohammadAG51: ping | 14:12 |
| rokr1 | 2400mAh battery ? | 14:12 |
| Venemo_N900 | rokr1: telenor Hungary | 14:12 |
| rokr1 | wats the Download bandwith | 14:13 |
| rokr1 | bandwidth ? | 14:13 |
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| rokr1 | nice name "Blueslee" | 14:14 |
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| Skyscraper09 | venemo_n900 i think it should be possible. but dont know if any other think its usefull to enable/disable wlan triggered by celltowerid to save batterylife | 14:15 |
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| BluesLee | rokr1: its just a name ... | 14:15 |
| Venemo_N900 | rokr1: 5GB | 14:15 |
| rokr1 | very funny venemo | 14:16 |
| Venemo_N900 | Skyscraper09: well it is a fairly easy thing to implement, since we have both things, we just need to combine them | 14:16 |
| Skyscraper09 | venemo_n900 its to hard for me to develop an app which can do that :/ | 14:16 |
| Venemo_N900 | rokr1: why? | 14:16 |
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| BluesLee | does someone use the modified hildon desktop variants of mohammad, thp, matan ...? | 14:16 |
| rokr1 | i asked the download speed | 14:17 |
| Venemo_N900 | rokr1: ah, sorry | 14:17 |
| Venemo_N900 | rokr1: well I'm in the middle of nowhere right now, but in the city, it can download with 1-1.5 Mbit/s | 14:17 |
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| Venemo_N900 | rokr1: sometimes even more | 14:18 |
| Skyscraper09 | venemo_n900 i think its very easy for an good devloper ;) but not for me | 14:18 |
| Venemo_N900 | Skyscraper09: that's why I said remind me when I got home | 14:18 |
| Skyscraper09 | venemo_n900 i'll do it :D | 14:18 |
| Venemo_N900 | BluesLee: I use the Hildon-Desktop from MohammadAG's repo | 14:18 |
| Skyscraper09 | venemo_n900 when you'll be at home? | 14:19 |
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| Venemo_N900 | Skyscraper09: yeah, eg when the _N900 won't be there :) | 14:19 |
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| Skyscraper09 | hehe | 14:19 |
| Venemo_N900 | Skyscraper09: I'm on a train right now, and I don't have my laptop with me either | 14:20 |
| BluesLee | Venemo_N900: the "kinetic" one ... i use it too but i am also interested in the one from thp | 14:20 |
| Venemo_N900 | BluesLee: well this is not that one | 14:20 |
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| Skyscraper09 | venemo_n900 ok | 14:21 |
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| Venemo_N900 | BluesLee: this is upstream Hildon-desktop with a newer version numer than the one in PR 1.3 | 14:21 |
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| BluesLee | Venemo_N900: okay .. mohammad has included all of the patches in one package unfortunately only for pr 1.2, see http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=838661&postcount=43 | 14:22 |
| Venemo_N900 | ~seen fcrochik | 14:22 |
| rokr1 | the only thing to notice in PR1.3 is battery power management is enhanced | 14:22 |
| infobot | fcrochik <~fcrochik@cpe-174-097-248-002.nc.res.rr.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #meego, 1d 19h 7m ago, saying: 'niala: yes...that is what I am trying to follow. That is what I get when I try to create the target using the handset image: Can not find qt installation in meego-handset-sdk-20101012-1.1.80.20101024.1603-sda-sysroot'. | 14:22 |
| rokr1 | guys any one who uses Mugen battery | 14:23 |
| rokr1 | can anyone tell me if its worth buying ! | 14:23 |
| Venemo_N900 | BluesLee: well I'm using the one from the community SSU repo | 14:24 |
| Skyscraper09 | i have to go offline | 14:24 |
| Skyscraper09 | byebye | 14:24 |
| Venemo_N900 | Skyscraper09: bye | 14:24 |
| rokr1 | chu chu | 14:24 |
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| BluesLee | Venemo_N900: you mean from devel? | 14:26 |
| Venemo_N900 | BluesLee: no, I mean from the community SSU repo | 14:26 |
| Venemo_N900 | BluesLee: see #maemo-ssu if interested | 14:27 |
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| BluesLee | Venemo_N900: you mean http://mohammadag.xceleo.org/repo/ | 14:28 |
| Venemo_N900 | BluesLee: again, no... | 14:28 |
| Venemo_N900 | BluesLee: see the topic of #maemo-ssu | 14:28 |
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| Venemo_N900 | alterego: ping | 14:29 |
| Venemo_N900 | ~seen alterego | 14:30 |
| infobot | alterego <~t.swindel@212.110.185.209> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 3h 34m 47s ago, saying: 'Phone is different, it's new shiny.'. | 14:30 |
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| BluesLee | Venemo_N900: okay, now i got it ... | 14:32 |
| Venemo_N900 | BluesLee: :) | 14:32 |
| BluesLee | Venemo_N900: the community ssu repo was formerly known as http://mohammadag.xceleo.org/repo/ | 14:33 |
| Venemo_N900 | BluesLee: formerly yes :) | 14:34 |
| BluesLee | Venemo_N900: i dont know if i should add it | 14:34 |
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| Venemo_N900 | BluesLee: use the install file if you want it, that should do it | 14:34 |
| BluesLee | Venemo_N900: i am interested in the patch of thp + faster kinetic scrolling | 14:35 |
| Venemo_N900 | BluesLee: well then use that one | 14:35 |
| BluesLee | Venemo_N900: there is no package for both for pr 1.3 yet afaik | 14:35 |
| Venemo_N900 | BluesLee: well then contact MohammadAG :) | 14:36 |
| BluesLee | Venemo_N900: the one you installed from c-ssu has faster kinetic scrolling included? | 14:36 |
| Venemo_N900 | BluesLee: yes, I think so | 14:37 |
| alterego | Venemo_N900: pong | 14:37 |
| BluesLee | ~seen MohammadAG51 | 14:38 |
| infobot | mohammadag51 <~MohammadA@Maemo/community/contributor/MohammadAG> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 14h 19m 35s ago, saying: 'night peeps'. | 14:38 |
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| BluesLee | cu | 14:38 |
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| Venemo_N900 | crap, I got disconnected | 14:39 |
| Venemo_N900 | alterego: do you know of a way to implement a task switcher button for a fulscreen Qt Maemo app? | 14:39 |
| Venemo_N900 | alterego: fullscreen* | 14:40 |
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| alterego | Sure | 14:40 |
| alterego | I believe it's a dbus call | 14:41 |
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| alterego | Look at the source for camkeyd | 14:41 |
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| Kaadlajk | Venemo_N900: http://doc.qt.nokia.com/qt-maemo-4.6/maemo5-windowstates.html | 14:42 |
| Kaadlajk | guess that is still valid | 14:42 |
| alterego | Venemo_N900: http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Architecture/UI_Framework#D-Bus_service_for_moving_from_fullscreen_application_to_Task_switcher | 14:42 |
| Venemo_N900 | thx | 14:42 |
| ilius | http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/readers-choice-awards-2010 | 14:42 |
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| vltR | is it possible to run apps from portablelinuxapps.org on n900? | 14:42 |
| Venemo_N900 | alterego, Kaadlajk: thx | 14:43 |
| Venemo_N900 | vltR: it depends | 14:43 |
| vltR | on? | 14:43 |
| alterego | vltR: not really, because they're all compiled for x86 | 14:44 |
| summel | jacekowski: does that binary also work with the netbook version? | 14:44 |
| alterego | We have VLC, xchat, wireshark and a load of those in the repositories | 14:44 |
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| vltR | do we have XBMC? | 14:44 |
| vltR | :) | 14:44 |
| alterego | I don't know, have a look | 14:45 |
| vltR | we dont | 14:45 |
| vltR | ; [ | 14:45 |
| alterego | Well, port it then | 14:45 |
| vltR | hmm | 14:46 |
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| vltR | teach me =d | 14:46 |
| alterego | Read a book | 14:46 |
| vltR | give me a title =d | 14:46 |
| Creteil | It seem I have finally done it : http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=64854 :-) | 14:46 |
| kerio | the catcher in the rye | 14:46 |
| summel | i cant believe that meego on netbooks still does not support WPA2 networks :O | 14:47 |
| Creteil | summel, is it a joke ? | 14:48 |
| summel | Creteil: i wish it was :S | 14:48 |
| Venemo_N900 | summel: LOL!! | 14:48 |
| summel | thats why i dont know if i like meegon on the n900 | 14:48 |
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| summel | they have so many features missing | 14:48 |
| summel | and so many bugs that dont get fixed | 14:49 |
| Venemo_N900 | why don't you bring this up on #meego | 14:49 |
| ilius | vltR: does not VLC (qvlc, rvlc and cvlc) do what you want? | 14:49 |
| summel | and all they did in the last years was switching to rpm and making a new GUI :S | 14:49 |
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| summel | Venemo_N900: i did. they dont care | 14:49 |
| summel | :S | 14:49 |
| Venemo_N900 | summel: :( | 14:49 |
| Venemo_N900 | summel: it's their loss | 14:49 |
| summel | meego is so useless without wpa2 support | 14:49 |
| Venemo_N900 | anyway, I'll be off | 14:50 |
| summel | the 2 wifis i use most have wpa2 personal and wpa2 enterprise | 14:50 |
| Venemo_N900 | will get back here once I get home | 14:50 |
| Venemo_N900 | bye folks! | 14:50 |
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| PaulFertser | What's the reason for wpa_supplicant to not work on n900? | 14:51 |
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| X-Fade | wpa2 works fine for me on meego on N900. | 14:52 |
| jacekowski | summel: probably now | 14:52 |
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| jacekowski | summel: probably no* | 14:52 |
| summel | :S | 14:53 |
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| jacekowski | 13:52 < Ether_Man> beware, except the overhead in HTTP is on the transfer.. FTP uses UDP for data | 14:54 |
| jacekowski | hmm | 14:54 |
| jacekowski | fail | 14:54 |
| MohammadAG51 | X-Fade, i see you're back | 14:54 |
| * MohammadAG51 gets a stick :P | 14:55 | |
| X-Fade | MohammadAG51: So no use hiding? ;) | 14:55 |
| MohammadAG51 | why have the repos been down | 14:55 |
| jacekowski | not here | 14:55 |
| X-Fade | MohammadAG51: Some servers were down, waiting for full explanation from ISP. | 14:55 |
| PaulFertser | X-Fade: (wpa_supplicant) what about the stock maemo kernel, why's that folks say wpa2 is not available? | 14:56 |
| X-Fade | PaulFertser: wpa2 in maemo 5 works just fine, although it is not using wpa_supplicant. | 14:57 |
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| MohammadAG51 | it uses some icd2 stuff | 14:58 |
| PaulFertser | X-Fade: is the driver crippled or what? I still can't understand why wpa_supplicant is not used. | 14:58 |
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| X-Fade | PaulFertser: Because Nokia uses their own solution. | 14:58 |
| MohammadAG51 | the driver is fully open source | 14:59 |
| MohammadAG51 | wl1251 | 14:59 |
| PaulFertser | X-Fade: ok, sorry for being unclear. Why do not Maemo5 users employ wpa_supplicant on n900 for their wireless connectivity needs? | 14:59 |
| MohammadAG51 | icd2 is used so the device can switch from 3G to wifi seamlessly | 14:59 |
| X-Fade | PaulFertser: No idea. | 14:59 |
| MohammadAG51 | or the opposite | 14:59 |
| MohammadAG51 | anyways, all apps use it, switching to icd2 won't be nice | 15:00 |
| MohammadAG51 | actually, nvm, it should be nice, works in sdk | 15:00 |
| X-Fade | MohammadAG51: I saw the xterm popup now with the updated enabler. | 15:01 |
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| MohammadAG51 | X-Fade, yep, fixed it | 15:01 |
| MohammadAG51 | i call a script which calls a script now | 15:02 |
| X-Fade | MohammadAG51: Ah, very hackish :) | 15:02 |
| MohammadAG51 | X-Fade, i also wanted to push matan's patches into hildon-desktop | 15:02 |
| MohammadAG51 | but the repo was down | 15:02 |
| X-Fade | MohammadAG51: yeah, was fixed early this morning. | 15:03 |
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| X-Fade | achipa: ping? | 15:04 |
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| achipa | pong | 15:05 |
| achipa | X-Fade: ^^ | 15:06 |
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| X-Fade | achipa: Should we fast-track web2sms because it only needed a rebuild for 1.3 (qt modules incompat thingie) | 15:06 |
| MohammadAG51 | and fmradio i think | 15:06 |
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| X-Fade | Every affected app then :) | 15:07 |
| MohammadAG51 | fast track the repo :P | 15:07 |
| X-Fade | Would really want to see the whole repo in OBS. Then all this would have been so easy. | 15:08 |
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| achipa | X-Fade: as far as I'm concerned, we can fasttrack rebuilds | 15:09 |
| tobis87 | jacekowski: Hi, Do you have any idea, how to mirror the nokia binary repo? Debmirror doesn't seem to support https. | 15:09 |
| GAN900 | tobis87, you're not supposed to. | 15:09 |
| FauxFaux | Surely debmirror eventually falls back to curl or wget? | 15:10 |
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| tobis87 | GAN900: Just as a backup. | 15:10 |
| achipa | X-Fade: also, kill that libsdl-ttf thingy, there is no point in keeping it around now that nok does a 'provides' for it | 15:11 |
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| MohammadAG51 | tobis87, you're not supposed to :P | 15:13 |
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| fwix | hello :) | 15:13 |
| mece | hmm could someone point me towards instructions on how to make a chroot under MyDocs that I can mount from /opt/ or something like that? I forget how it was done. my home is a little full. | 15:15 |
| X-Fade | achipa: libsdl-ttf2.0-0, right? | 15:15 |
| MohammadAG51 | X-Fade, while you're handling the repos, i still see psfreedom in non-free, and the description is old | 15:15 |
| tobis87 | MohammadAG51: :-( | 15:15 |
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| achipa | X-Fade: correct | 15:16 |
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| fwix | I've flashed with teh PR1.3 and I'm trying to install SMSCON, python2.5-qt4 is needeed and seems to be avalaible only for PR1.2 | 15:17 |
| fwix | what can I do ? | 15:17 |
| achipa | a) wait | 15:17 |
| MohammadAG51 | b) wait more | 15:17 |
| fwix | :) | 15:18 |
| achipa | indeed | 15:18 |
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| MohammadAG51 | isn't python2.5-qt4 a full package, i.e not to be depended upon? | 15:18 |
| achipa | MohammadAG51: well it used to be | 15:18 |
| achipa | but am not so sure any more | 15:18 |
| achipa | as qt packages have migrated to /opt | 15:19 |
| achipa | and HAM is broken so you can get yourself into an un-updateable position | 15:19 |
| achipa | which could be avoided with python2.5-qt4 | 15:19 |
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| MohammadAG51 | HAM doesn't use dpkg the way it's used to | 15:22 |
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| MohammadAG51 | seems like it uses dpkg --force-all | 15:22 |
| MohammadAG51 | resuling in broken deps | 15:22 |
| fwix | yes, I prefer to wait than to force | 15:22 |
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| MohammadAG51 | you have no other options in HAM :P | 15:23 |
| fwix | =) | 15:23 |
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| lardman | hi chaps | 15:26 |
| RST38h | And hey MohammadAG. Have you got a PR1.3-compatible version of hildon-desktop and friends? | 15:26 |
| RST38h | moo lardman | 15:26 |
| lardman | anyone use Bluemaemo? Does the hw kb work for you? | 15:26 |
| RST38h | worked for me | 15:26 |
| * lardman is teaching this week and the presentation laptop is so far away from the students he needs to shout | 15:26 | |
| lardman | hmm, didn't do anything for me on the N900 | 15:27 |
| MohammadAG51 | lardman, no, the HW kbd doesn't work | 15:27 |
| MohammadAG51 | you have to use the on screen one | 15:27 |
| lardman | oh, drat | 15:27 |
| lardman | thanks for the confirmation MohammadAG51 | 15:27 |
| * lardman wonders if he can fix it while he eats lunch | 15:28 | |
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| lardman | ah, apparently pressing the power button makes it work | 15:31 |
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| lardman | Probably best to port it to use pyQt rather than that e-business anyway | 15:32 |
| MohammadAG51 | X-Fade, should a notice be added to the community enabler? | 15:32 |
| X-Fade | MohammadAG51: I think that would be good. | 15:32 |
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| SouBE | how can I chek which PR version I've got on my N900? | 15:33 |
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| ham5 | soube, settings my nokia | 15:33 |
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| MohammadAG51 | X-Fade, hmm, GUI or terminal? | 15:33 |
| ham5 | settings about product my bad | 15:33 |
| X-Fade | MohammadAG51: The eula thing? | 15:33 |
| RST38h | 6 days uptime, time to reboot... | 15:33 |
| MohammadAG51 | something like that | 15:33 |
| RST38h | (and, by the way, PR1.3 has not fixed the performance problem) | 15:34 |
| MohammadAG51 | maemo-confirm-text is annoying though | 15:34 |
| X-Fade | MohammadAG51: Most people will use HAM, so yeah. | 15:34 |
| mece | hello.. could someone who understands this stuff tell me if this method of loopback mounting is correct: http://pastie.org/1263935 | 15:34 |
| X-Fade | MohammadAG51: Well it is a one time only thing. If everything is ok, this will never update. | 15:34 |
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| SouBE | ham5: is version 10.2010.19-1 the same as PR 1.3? | 15:34 |
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| X-Fade | MohammadAG51: And for testers, it is not a big deal. | 15:34 |
| MohammadAG51 | X-Fade, that would work I suppose :) | 15:34 |
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| ham5 | 19-1 is 1.2 | 15:34 |
| MohammadAG51 | i forgot we're using an install file | 15:35 |
| ham5 | 36-2 is pr 1.3 | 15:35 |
| MohammadAG51 | sent two packages to the repo | 15:35 |
| erani | has anyone else noticed that 3g connection disconnects rather often/easily after the pr 1.3 update? | 15:35 |
| SouBE | ham5: thanks | 15:35 |
| RST38h | Mohammad: One more time: what is the community SSU status with respect to PR1.3? New packages online? | 15:36 |
| SouBE | I wonder when PR1.3 arrives to my handset | 15:36 |
| tobis87 | mece: Do you have patched libhildonfm for pr1.3? | 15:36 |
| mece | tobis87, no, sorry | 15:37 |
| lardman | hey X-Fade, how's things? | 15:37 |
| X-Fade | lardman: hi. Good, I guess ;) | 15:38 |
| lardman | busy then? ;) | 15:38 |
| tobis87 | mece: Do you plan to do so? Or is there still the problem which causes the reboots. | 15:38 |
| X-Fade | lardman: Yeah, enough to do between maemo and meego. | 15:38 |
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| RST38h | X-Fade: Has FBReader 0.12.* been pushed by Nikolay Pultsin? | 15:40 |
| mece | tobis87, I haven't looked at it in a bit. the problems were caused by a memory leak I think. not sure, but that's the thing I figured caused it, because I (needlessly) used a temp variable that I forgot to del. I never got around to try fix it. | 15:44 |
| mece | tobis87, if I can find the thing I could fix it I guess. I'll have to reinstall my sdk and whatnot. I'll have a gander at some point. Not today though. | 15:44 |
| X-Fade | RST38h: By rob1n. | 15:44 |
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| sevard | Any international users here? I'm trying to find the sms email gateway for turkcell | 15:46 |
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| Myrtti | are you sure there is one | 15:46 |
| tobis87 | mece: Ok, that would be nice. | 15:46 |
| sevard | Myrtti: There is one that I've used in the past | 15:47 |
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| RST38h | X-Fade: rob1n broke book list =( | 15:48 |
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| RST38h | And the application menu too, apparently | 15:50 |
| mece | oh man, how long can it take to write 2 billion 0's? | 15:50 |
| sevard | assuming one digit per second 23,148.1481 days | 15:51 |
| MohammadAG | mece, dd on N900? | 15:51 |
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| * MohammadAG would say a day | 15:51 | |
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| ham5 | can I add a waypoint or landmark in maps?? | 15:53 |
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| crashanddie | sevard: "international users?" | 15:56 |
| mece | MohammadAG, we'll see. Yawn | 15:57 |
| sevard | crashanddie: I'm trying to find the sms email gateway for turkcell | 15:57 |
| crashanddie | sevard: yes, I read that. But in what sense? To send an email using an sms or an sms using an email? | 15:58 |
| GAN900 | Did MicroB's tap detection get worse? | 15:58 |
| mece | MohammadAG, fun tiems when writing to vfat causes the whole device to lock up. | 15:58 |
| X-Fade | Hmm Nokia Z500 MeeGo tablet, sounds nice. | 15:58 |
| crashanddie | sevard: most networks deactivated the sms-to-email services. | 15:58 |
| crashanddie | sevard: call the customer service and ask | 15:58 |
| mece | X-Fade, I agree, but just the name doesn't really tell us much now does it. | 15:59 |
| MohammadAG | mece, it's not vfat, it's the retarded MMC ;) | 15:59 |
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| MohammadAG | well, how the device handles writing to the MMC | 15:59 |
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| MohammadAG | connect the device over mass storage and do the same command | 15:59 |
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| Myrtti | MohammadAG: that doesn't necessarily show anything radical | 16:00 |
| MohammadAG | Myrtti, my device crashed when dding 2GBs, and it finished in 3 hours | 16:00 |
| MohammadAG | over mass storage, it was done in less than 5 minutes | 16:01 |
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| Myrtti | MohammadAG: did some file transfers with my N95, hooked the phone with cable, mass storage mode, wrote to the SD card about 80 pictures, 2M each, took about 1.5h | 16:01 |
| Myrtti | took the SD card out the phone, put it into a card reader, hooked it up directly, took about 5 minutes | 16:02 |
| RST38h | Myrtti: Something is wrong. | 16:02 |
| Myrtti | or "similar ridiculously short time" | 16:02 |
| sevard | crashanddie: I don't speak turkish well enough :) | 16:02 |
| MohammadAG | the N95 is slow over USB | 16:02 |
| Myrtti | RST38h: yeah, N95 | 16:02 |
| MohammadAG | very very slow | 16:02 |
| RST38h | Myrtti: Even with N95 it should not take this long | 16:02 |
| MohammadAG | I used to get less than 1MB/s | 16:02 |
| RST38h | Takes several times less time with E70 | 16:02 |
| MohammadAG | RST38h, nope, the N95 is VERY slow | 16:03 |
| tybollt | gehehehe | 16:03 |
| tybollt | syncing gmail mailboxes | 16:03 |
| tybollt | it's been at it for a week consecutive - still got one full year to go ;) | 16:03 |
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| GAN900 | X-Fade, probably Intel. Which mostly makes it silly. | 16:04 |
| X-Fade | GAN900: Yeah probably Atom Z500 ;) | 16:04 |
| GAN900 | I can't take things with idle time counted in hours seriously. | 16:04 |
| tybollt | crAptom. | 16:05 |
| Myrtti | I've lost count on how many times I've wanted to use the N95 as a door stop within past two weeks | 16:05 |
| RST38h | Get an N900 already | 16:05 |
| RST38h | Or that supercheap Android phone ($150?) | 16:06 |
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| tybollt | RST38h: which one? | 16:06 |
| MohammadAG | Myrtti, you don't have an N900? | 16:06 |
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| Myrtti | RST38h: no thanks, I'll just wait until my Nexus One comes from service. It's stuck in their queue now, they're probably checking out have I stolen it or something, since I couldn't produce them a warranty certificate | 16:06 |
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| Myrtti | MohammadAG: couldn't bare to pay so much for it | 16:06 |
| tybollt | the n900 cost nothing these days | 16:07 |
| tobis87 | What I hate the most is that Intel now only supports ECC with Xeon's. | 16:07 |
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| Myrtti | tybollt: it still costs more than my Nexus One did :-P | 16:07 |
| MohammadAG | isn't the N900 350 bucks or sth? | 16:07 |
| RST38h | Myrtti: Well, at least they have taken it in for repair, I gather... | 16:07 |
| * MohammadAG found it for 300 somewhere around here | 16:08 | |
| Creteil | need help, when hellanzb finished downloading, I have an msg to the screen, but I want to keep the message on the screen until I click on a button 'Ok' for example, actually the message appear and disappear when I click on it to see ... | 16:08 |
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| crashanddie | http://fc04.deviantart.net/fs49/f/2009/171/a/b/4chan_fuck_yeah__3_by_desertricker.jpg | 16:27 |
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| RST38h | crash: Yes, yesss, YESSS | 16:41 |
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| * MohammadAG needs one tester, requirements, PR1.3 and N900 | 16:50 | |
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| flexxxv | hy guys. have an unusal question: where can I I get infos about how many mips the ARM1176JZ has? | 17:01 |
| GAN900 | crashanddie, I don't see anything to take issue with there. :P | 17:01 |
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| Juozapas | hi | 17:06 |
| Juozapas | how to enable text-select mode in browser? | 17:06 |
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| GAN900 | Juozapas, swipe from the left bezel onto the screen about one third of the way from the bottom. | 17:12 |
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| ebzzry | Aw, I'm reflashing (both system and emmc) for the fourth time since I tried out PR 1.3. There are some apps I need from -devel, and when I reboot after I install them, the device won't boot. | 17:12 |
| ebzzry | I'll try to shortlist it to find out what among these apps is the culprit. | 17:12 |
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| MohammadAG | why emmc... | 17:13 |
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| Juozapas | GAN900: thx man | 17:14 |
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| ebzzry | MohammadAG: It won't work just by flashing PR 1.3 only. | 17:15 |
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| ebzzry | MohammadAG: I have been insisting on just flashing the system only, when kerios pointed out to me to try to flash the emmc too. | 17:15 |
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| GAN900 | ebzzry, that sounds like a problem. | 17:21 |
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| ebzzry | GAN900: Yes, it is. | 17:21 |
| GAN900 | There's usually no reason to flash the eMMC. | 17:21 |
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| ebzzry | I have discussed this issue with others before. | 17:21 |
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| ebzzry | Usually, there's no need since it is suppose to be separate from the system. | 17:21 |
| ebzzry | The first time I flashed with PR 1.3, I got stuck at the six glowing circles. | 17:22 |
| ebzzry | Then I tried to flash the same image again, with no luck. | 17:22 |
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| ebzzry | I asked help from people, main the ones from this #, and they advised me to flash the eMMC, too. And so I did. | 17:22 |
| ebzzry | It somehow worked. | 17:22 |
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| ebzzry | It could be a case of, post hoc ergo propter hoc, but it made my device boot properly. | 17:23 |
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| ebzzry | I don't mind, except for the humongus restore of MyDocs everytime I do it. | 17:24 |
| ebzzry | I better find out what -devel apps is the culprit, RSN. | 17:25 |
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| crashanddie | ebzzry: stop the fucking monologue, bro. | 17:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer | mo | 17:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | o | 17:31 |
| RST38h | baa. | 17:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | too sleepy to skim backscroll. What's state of things with repos? | 17:32 |
| tybollt | hah! | 17:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | seen X-Fade around | 17:32 |
| MohammadAG | fixed, fix the status | 17:32 |
| MohammadAG | err, topic | 17:32 |
| tybollt | if I had said that you would have flogged me and left me to rot behind the barn | 17:32 |
| *** ChanServ sets mode: +o DocScrutinizer | 17:32 | |
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| *** DocScrutinizer changes topic to "Welcome to #maemo http://maemo.org/intro/ | http://maemo.nokia.com/ | Maemo Community Council http://maemo.org/community/council | http://mxr.maemo.org/ | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | PR1.3 being released slowly but surely. Be patient. DO NOT apt-get -dist-upgrade! See ~pr1.3" | 17:33 | |
| *** ChanServ sets mode: -o DocScrutinizer | 17:33 | |
| RST38h | ~pr1.3 | 17:34 |
| infobot | hmm... pr1.3 is the latest (and probably last) software update for Fremantle, available since Monday October 25 2010. More information at http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_5/PR1.3 -- see ~flashing for how to update | 17:34 |
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| * MohammadAG wonders how to announce the SSU | 17:35 | |
| SpeedEvil | yodeling. | 17:35 |
| X-Fade | MohammadAG: I'd say not yet. | 17:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | [ANNOUNCE] There's a community SSU now | 17:35 |
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| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, kthxbye | 17:36 |
| X-Fade | MohammadAG: Better test it for a while. Try an update etc. | 17:36 |
| MohammadAG | X-Fade, how come? | 17:36 |
| X-Fade | MohammadAG: Onve you are live, you can't mess with it. | 17:36 |
| X-Fade | *once | 17:36 |
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| MohammadAG | X-Fade, well, in order to test you need testers :) | 17:36 |
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| X-Fade | MohammadAG: Oh, yes you do. But I guess a talk topic should work for that? :) Or -devel? | 17:37 |
| RST38h | Mohammad: Just tell us about it right here | 17:37 |
| RST38h | Skip on the rest | 17:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | ack | 17:37 |
| MohammadAG | talk isn't for testers | 17:37 |
| MohammadAG | it's for anyone who gets excited over new posts | 17:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | errm, yes | 17:38 |
| RST38h | <sigh> | 17:38 |
| tybollt | SpeedEvil: no yodeling - this is a family establishment! | 17:39 |
| * tybollt threatens to slap SpeedEvil w/ MohammadAG | 17:40 | |
| * MohammadAG kicks tybollt in his balls | 17:40 | |
| tybollt | :) | 17:40 |
| tybollt | MohammadAG: hello to you too :) | 17:41 |
| MohammadAG | ;) | 17:41 |
| MohammadAG | X-Fade, wouldn't -community be better? | 17:42 |
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| X-Fade | MohammadAG: Well, it might be better to target people with technical knowledge for this one. | 17:43 |
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| MohammadAG | hmm, -developers it is | 17:44 |
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| DocScrutinizer | what's wrong with #maemo for that? | 17:48 |
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| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, mailing lists, not -devel | 17:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes | 17:48 |
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| MohammadAG | X-Fade, message sent, I hope I don't f up the mailing lists | 18:05 |
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| MohammadAG | sigh, wtf :/ | 18:07 |
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| MohammadAG | why did it reply instead of making a new topic | 18:07 |
| X-Fade | MohammadAG: Got it. | 18:07 |
| X-Fade | MohammadAG: Did you hit reply in your mail client and then wrote a new message? | 18:08 |
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| MohammadAG | no, I used gmail.com, and composed a new message | 18:09 |
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| X-Fade | MohammadAG: Headers look ok, I guess that will fix itself once there are more mails. | 18:10 |
| X-Fade | Anyway, have to go for a while. bbl | 18:11 |
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| nid0 | MohammadAG: The first reply to your message isnt exactly promising of some of the people reading -developers :< | 18:21 |
| MohammadAG | indeed, already saw it | 18:22 |
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| sivang | MohammadAG: the enabler package sets up the GPG key so the packages would be trusted? | 18:26 |
| tybollt | nid0: do elabor<te | 18:26 |
| * sivang was wondering what the enabler package does | 18:26 | |
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| nid0 | tybollt: well MohammadAG posted an announcement for the community SSU on -developers to try to avoid the "omg updatezz" crowd on tmo and get some meaningful testing | 18:27 |
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| nid0 | first reply he got on the mailing list asked him what an SSU is and what HAM is. | 18:27 |
| tybollt | meh | 18:27 |
| tybollt | so hide this -developers list better ;) | 18:27 |
| MohammadAG | sivang, yes | 18:28 |
| tybollt | like, by invitation only | 18:28 |
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| MohammadAG | wtf is wrong with HAM | 18:29 |
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| MohammadAG | piece of shit | 18:29 |
| MohammadAG | it says I need to upgrade my device using pc suite | 18:29 |
| pwnguin | heh | 18:29 |
| MohammadAG | I'm the owner of this damn repo | 18:29 |
| pwnguin | quick, uninstall things | 18:29 |
| MohammadAG | well, maintainer | 18:29 |
| tybollt | MohammadAG pwns us all | 18:29 |
| sivang | MohammadAG: bah | 18:30 |
| pwnguin | anyone connecting maemo to zimbra? | 18:30 |
| sivang | MohammadAG: but nice work nonetheless, you wouldn't believe the quirks debian packaging has | 18:30 |
| sivang | MohammadAG: I'd hate to think how that manifests into HAM | 18:30 |
| sivang | MohammadAG: I worked on a python software the last couple of days, the packaging for lenny was the real pain | 18:30 |
| sivang | and I'm a veteran python packager, although been a while since I did a daemon | 18:31 |
| MohammadAG | packaging is easy | 18:31 |
| tybollt | gah | 18:31 |
| sivang | MohammadAG: try to package a setutools project that install a daemon :) | 18:32 |
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| MohammadAG | sivang, copy needed stuff where you need it, copy init.d script to /etc/init.d, use start <name> | 18:32 |
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| sivang | MohammadAG: and demonize properly so you can get exit codes through the shell from the demonized process! | 18:32 |
| sivang | :) | 18:32 |
| sivang | MohammadAG: That's what I thought, but no :-) | 18:33 |
| sivang | MohammadAG: copy, put init script, done | 18:33 |
| sivang | MohammadAG: but dh_installinit has a life of its own! | 18:33 |
| sivang | muahha | 18:33 |
| sivang | MohammadAG: so these days on lenny, you need to make sure you init is called *after* update-python-modules $module has been executed | 18:34 |
| sivang | MohammadAG: because dh auto sequence got it all wrong | 18:34 |
| sivang | :-p | 18:34 |
| sivang | guess how much time to find this out.. | 18:34 |
| sivang | MohammadAG: and one dd says it is a bug, other says "feature, works as expected" :-p | 18:36 |
| MohammadAG | lol | 18:36 |
| MohammadAG | 5 minutes with proper googling | 18:36 |
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| sivang | MohammadAG: r i g h t... | 18:36 |
| MohammadAG | or use man | 18:36 |
| sivang | MohammadAG: HAHAHA | 18:36 |
| sivang | man he says :) | 18:36 |
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| sivang | don't you think I do that? | 18:36 |
| sivang | the right thing, was to read in the readme file of the stupid python-support package :) | 18:37 |
| sivang | but since i had google, I was sure google was bound to have this info! | 18:37 |
| sivang | the internet is dumbing us | 18:37 |
| sivang | and no man page of either of the scripts mention anything about it | 18:37 |
| sivang | only about target overrides | 18:37 |
| sivang | which is , mostly useless given the dh auto sequence is there to relieve you from writing targets. | 18:38 |
| E0x | what is and what do the SmartReflex thing ( /sys/power/sr_vdd1_autocomp , /sys/power/sr_vdd2_autocomp ) ? | 18:38 |
| jacekowski | don't touch it | 18:39 |
| jacekowski | it's not working | 18:39 |
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| E0x | thx , but do ? power consumption better control ? | 18:41 |
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| jacekowski | it's broken automatic voltage controll | 18:46 |
| jacekowski | but it's not fast enough | 18:46 |
| jacekowski | and processor hangs/resets does strange things | 18:46 |
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| GAN900 | Who the hell comes into an independent bookstore looking for a Kindle. . . . | 18:47 |
| sivang | hey jacekowski | 18:47 |
| jacekowski | sivang: hey | 18:47 |
| nid0 | GAN900: someone whos been told "kindles are teh future of bookz!" without understanding its an amazon product | 18:48 |
| sivang | bah, I like paper books. There's no replacement | 18:50 |
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| jacekowski | sivang: esspecialy search in paper books | 18:50 |
| jacekowski | if you want to find some info quickly | 18:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer | E0x: so simple aswer is "yes, better power conservation (not very much). Alas doesn't work, unless that patch in PR1.3 kernel did something about it" | 18:51 |
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| Jaffa | GAN900: It's not unreasonable that Amazon *could* do retailer channels | 18:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: isn't it funny how Nokia justifiably disables SR and same time the "real specialists" decide to "tweak power profiles to ultra-low, for better battery life" :-P | 18:55 |
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| Jaffa | GAN900: My grandparents saw my Kindle at the weekend, and they could - conceivably - go into a shop asking for more info (they wouldn't) | 18:56 |
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| nid0 | seems pretty unlikely a bookstore would ever want to sell kindles, even if amazon offered them | 18:57 |
| nid0 | "hi we're a bookstore, you can buy books from us or this absolutely 100% competing product that means youll never ever buy a book from us again" | 18:57 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: well, smartreflex is there, and IMO nokia should make that work | 18:58 |
| Jaffa | Would depend on profit margin, and they could start moving into assisting with self-publishing of local authors etc. Referrals from Amazon etc. | 18:58 |
| sivang | DocScrutinizer: what's SR? | 18:58 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: or somebody else | 18:58 |
| * Jaffa shrugs. | 18:58 | |
| SpeedEvil1 | The kindle is quite awesome. | 18:58 |
| erani | hi | 18:58 |
| sivang | jacekowski: well, searching through paper books forces you to think a bit more, the interenet is dumbing us :) | 18:58 |
| SpeedEvil1 | But - it's not quite as compelling as it might be. | 18:58 |
| sivang | I'd rather read books on WeTab | 18:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | nid0: why not? Here in Germany the Gas stations sell grocery goods now, as they don't make a living from Gas. Why wouldn't a bookstore sell Kindle and have internet to "fuel" it? | 18:58 |
| SpeedEvil1 | I'm reading on my n900 quite often, in preference to my kindle. | 18:59 |
| sivang | SpeedEvil1: yes, it is nice to have it on N900, but it is very small | 18:59 |
| Jaffa | sivang: Not when your eyes start bleeding and your wrist breaks ;-) | 18:59 |
| nid0 | DocScrutinizer: buying groceries from a gas station doesnt mean you wont ever go there to buy gas ever again, it does the opposite and upsales extra products to you when you go there. | 18:59 |
| GAN900 | Jaffa, oh, yeah, let me sell you this and you'll never buy another thing here again. ;) | 18:59 |
| sivang | Jaffa: well, if you're a med major then no :) | 18:59 |
| MohammadAG51 | how do i request system standby over ssh? | 18:59 |
| sivang | Jaffa: or using Advanced Unix Programming | 18:59 |
| * Jaffa likes his Kindle for the larger screen and the pushing of content to it over whispernet | 19:00 | |
| sivang | MohammadAG: nice | 19:00 |
| Jaffa | sivang: Well, true | 19:00 |
| nid0 | DocScrutinizer: Conversely, you can only buy kindle books from amazon. So, a book store sells you a kindle, you're going to go to amazon for all your books from then on, and never go to the book store again. | 19:00 |
| SpeedEvil1 | Simply as I can set the n900 down all the way in brightness, and with the kindle, I need to arrange some sort of task-light. Oh - and it's too big for me to just watch/read comfortably in bed. | 19:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | nid0: I can see same effect with eBooks and paper copies | 19:00 |
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| GAN900 | I've had people ask if we sell ebooks for the Kindle, too. | 19:00 |
| SpeedEvil | GAN900: you work at a bookshop? | 19:00 |
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| GAN900 | 'course the independent used stores are the only ones going to come out of the ebook revolution in one piece. | 19:01 |
| GAN900 | The chains are putting themselves out of business. | 19:01 |
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| SpeedEvil | GAN900: For now. | 19:01 |
| GAN900 | SpeedEvil, yeah, biggest in the South East US. | 19:01 |
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| SpeedEvil | GAN900: I have 3000 paper books. | 19:02 |
| SpeedEvil | GAN900: If I could easily dump them on amazon, I would. | 19:02 |
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| SpeedEvil | GAN900: Today I went through a box of textbooks, and put out a lot for composting. | 19:02 |
| SpeedEvil | 'Programmers guide to the EGA/VGA card' | 19:02 |
| GAN900 | The correct end for most academic publications. | 19:02 |
| alterego | Heh | 19:03 |
| sivang | lo alterego | 19:03 |
| SpeedEvil | And beginning electronics books. | 19:03 |
| alterego | Hallo :) | 19:03 |
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| SpeedEvil | If I forget what an opamp is, I'm going to have more problems than not having the book in question. | 19:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer | lol | 19:04 |
| KaffeeJunky123 | What navigation software do you use for car navigation, without a network connection? | 19:04 |
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| sivang | KaffeeJunky123: I had a very poor gps back then, today it is mostly Maep | 19:04 |
| SpeedEvil | Mostly off-topic. | 19:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | given you own a car | 19:04 |
| sivang | but yes, off topic | 19:04 |
| SpeedEvil | I've found my garden shredder works really well to shred paper. | 19:05 |
| sivang | (and the car is to be sold since I can't hold it anymore) | 19:05 |
| KaffeeJunky123 | on maemo ^^ | 19:05 |
| SpeedEvil | Soak publication. | 19:05 |
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| sivang | KaffeeJunky123: Maep, uses superb OSMPs | 19:05 |
| KaffeeJunky123 | sivang: I'll have a look at it | 19:05 |
| erani | it might be interesting to try out the new nook color | 19:05 |
| SpeedEvil | Tear off 4mm or so thickness, roll into little tube, treat as a 'branch' | 19:05 |
| sivang | KaffeeJunky123: and I like it that it is not turn by turn, e.g. you still have to think :) | 19:05 |
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| erani | but I also see a lot of good points in Kindle's passive matrix display | 19:05 |
| sivang | KaffeeJunky123: it shows you where you are, but you still need to plan a bit etc | 19:06 |
| SpeedEvil | I'm having real problems understanding why I might want a bookreader that does not do other things. | 19:06 |
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| KaffeeJunky123 | sivang: does it tell you anything? | 19:06 |
| sivang | SpeedEvil: do one thing and do it good? :) | 19:06 |
| SpeedEvil | sivang: Sure. | 19:06 |
| sivang | KaffeeJunky123: where I am, streets names, some POI | 19:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: sounds like a happy experience, with all that ... it's called konfetti here | 19:06 |
| SpeedEvil | sivang: Assuming you can carry around a mp3 player, a camera a phone, a kindle, ... | 19:06 |
| sivang | KaffeeJunky123: there's OVI as well | 19:06 |
| KaffeeJunky123 | sivang: why isn't it listed on the http://wiki.maemo.org/Navigation_Tools page | 19:07 |
| erani | wonder if color passive matrix displays will be available someday... | 19:07 |
| sivang | SpeedEvil: true, it gets too much | 19:07 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | hm, I see holdon-home take up ~35% CPU and pulseaudio 28% CPU resulting in a load of 2.5... media player is open, but paused, what could cause this? It is, obviously, draining the battery more than I'd like | 19:07 |
| KaffeeJunky123 | sivang: ovi requires an internet connection | 19:07 |
| SpeedEvil | A flashlight, a FM radio. | 19:07 |
| sivang | KaffeeJunky123: don't know, never heard of this page :) | 19:07 |
| SpeedEvil | A GPS. | 19:07 |
| sivang | KaffeeJunky123: oh right :) | 19:07 |
| sivang | KaffeeJunky123: maep downloads the maps, you can tell it so | 19:07 |
| KaffeeJunky123 | sivang: that's exactly what I'm looking for | 19:07 |
| SpeedEvil | A camcorder, pencil and paper, envelopes, stamps. a pizza oven. | 19:08 |
| sivang | KaffeeJunky123: try and see, but don't hold me accountable- I'm as blank as can be usually | 19:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | CutMeOwnThroat: Hildon-home probably that nasty bug | 19:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | related to kinetic scrolling of windows too short to scroll | 19:08 |
| SpeedEvil | Though the kindle is much better for textbooks - though still somewhat too low res. | 19:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer | PA is known to always do this kinda shit, so blame Nokia for ever considering to use PA at all | 19:09 |
| sivang | the glitch UI is horrific problem | 19:09 |
| * sivang should get brave and install the communty SSU | 19:09 | |
| KaffeeJunky123 | sivang: is it in the repo? | 19:09 |
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| nid0 | it *is* a repo | 19:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | CutMeOwnThroat: see http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools for a possible fix of the kinetic scrolling problem (install MHD) | 19:10 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | DocScrutinizer, any workaround for that? And what windows are those? Is that bug 8723? | 19:10 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/8723 Items in hildon-home can be non-responsive for several minutes | 19:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | unrelated | 19:11 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | ah, you were faster with the answer than I with making the question preciser | 19:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer | # fix annoying hildon-desktop cpu hog bug in http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools | 19:12 |
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| sivang | KaffeeJunky123: in extras or something no? | 19:12 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | can I test if it's this bug? | 19:12 |
| sivang | KaffeeJunky123: http://maemo.org/downloads/product/Maemo5/maep/ | 19:13 |
| KaffeeJunky123 | sivang: well i've found it =) | 19:13 |
| opdf2 | repo's back up? | 19:13 |
| opdf2 | cool | 19:13 |
| KaffeeJunky123 | I never had that hildon-desktop cpu bug | 19:13 |
| KaffeeJunky123 | how do you get it? | 19:13 |
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| * RST38h moos loudly | 19:14 | |
| CutMeOwnThroat | having many applications open? | 19:14 |
| KaffeeJunky123 | about 18% cpu load on pulse is what i have with the media player playing some mp3 | 19:15 |
| SpeedEvil | KaffeeJunky123: that may be misleading. | 19:16 |
| SpeedEvil | It's 15%@250 | 19:16 |
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| SpeedEvil | 18 | 19:16 |
| KaffeeJunky123 | I'm using top to monitor cpu usage of processes | 19:17 |
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| MohammadAG | it's toggled by catorize | 19:17 |
| MohammadAG | triggered even | 19:17 |
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| SpeedEvil | htop may be better for that. | 19:17 |
| SpeedEvil | htop + screen + ssh | 19:17 |
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| KaffeeJunky123 | 132mb of ram used interresting | 19:19 |
| SpeedEvil | RSS is a lie. | 19:20 |
| SpeedEvil | See http://www.selenic.com/smem/ | 19:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: KaffeeJunky123: no, it's triggered by too short window to scroll | 19:21 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, app menu* | 19:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | catorize just one way to have such window | 19:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes | 19:22 |
| MohammadAG | only catorize has a menu that short | 19:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | nope, apmefo as well | 19:22 |
| MohammadAG | ApMeFo too | 19:22 |
| MohammadAG | nvm then | 19:22 |
| KaffeeJunky123 | so I'll probably never trigger that bug =) | 19:22 |
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| CutMeOwnThroat | then neither should I, I don't have any of those two | 19:24 |
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| CutMeOwnThroat | seems to nearly freeze now | 19:26 |
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| KaffeeJunky123 | hm my gps is about 200meters off | 19:26 |
| KaffeeJunky123 | in Maep | 19:27 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | you get that easily from time to time with buildings around... | 19:27 |
| * DocScrutinizer envisions a >>if !(scroll-area_upper_border < window_upper) then kinetic_bounce-down; if !(scroll-area_lower_border > window_lower) then kinetic_bounce-up;<< | 19:27 | |
| DocScrutinizer | KaffeeJunky123: no "A" in GPS? Then it may take like 15min to dl all the data from sat, rather than pull it in no time from network. Until then GPS may be off by several 100m | 19:30 |
| ShadowJK | Location-test-ui is nice because it actually tells you the estimated accuracy | 19:30 |
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| ShadowJK | .. which is 9800m for me when indoors :) | 19:31 |
| KaffeeJunky123 | DocScrutinizer: looks like it's found me now | 19:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | lol | 19:31 |
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| KaffeeJunky123 | maep doesn't feature any sort of route planning, does it? | 19:31 |
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| RST38h | ShadowJK: still well in range of a large enough "device" | 19:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer | RST38h: well, if "device" is >1Mt | 19:32 |
| RST38h | yea | 19:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | you should know, as that's been the 'eastern approach" to the accuracy problem :-P | 19:33 |
| * DocScrutinizer waiting for Myrtti publishing today's #maemo drug test results | 19:34 | |
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| RST38h | Doc: >1Mt is way easier to achieve than <1Mt, as you probably know too | 19:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer | err ... than <50kt | 19:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer | today's limit seems somewhere next to 1kt | 19:37 |
| * DocScrutinizer prefers MTHEL anyway ;-D | 19:38 | |
| RST38h | You can achieve that with pure chemistry | 19:38 |
| RST38h | Oh yeaa | 19:38 |
| RST38h | Big Fucking DF-based MTHEL | 19:38 |
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| SpeedEvil | Well - that's not really true. 1MT pretty much implies a fusion stage, which is an added complication. | 19:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | ack | 19:41 |
| trumee | is this guy, http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=851115&postcount=28 on about this http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=510749&postcount=1 ? | 19:41 |
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| DocScrutinizer | trumee: you really think I'm going to dig thru TWO friggin disgusting tmo threads to even get what *you* are on about | 19:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | ? | 19:43 |
| trumee | disgusting? | 19:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~tmo | 19:43 |
| infobot | rumour has it, tmo is http://talk.maemo.org, or too much off-topic, or not ~t-mo | 19:43 |
| trumee | Calls over Fm is a feature for some. | 19:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | formerly known as "Trolls, Morons, Offtopic" | 19:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | or sth like that | 19:44 |
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| DocScrutinizer | or, tmo is ' echo "127.0.0.1 talk.maemo.org" >>/etc/hosts' | 19:46 |
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| CutMeOwnThroat | you mean it's worse than ubuntu bugs? | 19:56 |
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| sivang | ~harmattan | 20:03 |
| sivang | ~Harmattan | 20:04 |
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| sivang | DocScrutinizer: haha | 20:06 |
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| sivang | DocScrutinizer: how would you teach her about harmattan? | 20:06 |
| merlin1991 | repository back up? | 20:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ~tell sivang about help | 20:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~tell sivang about query | 20:08 |
| kerio | harmattan is teh suck | 20:08 |
| kerio | no, wait | 20:08 |
| kerio | infobot: harmattan is teh suck | 20:08 |
| infobot | okay, kerio | 20:08 |
| kerio | ~harmattan | 20:08 |
| infobot | [harmattan] teh suck | 20:08 |
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| CutMeOwnThroat | DocScrutinizer, thx, installed it... will see if comes back ... might have been just a widget running wild, too? | 20:17 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | finally just killed the process without anything happening when it was dead | 20:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | err which process? | 20:18 |
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| CutMeOwnThroat | hildon-home | 20:18 |
| * kerio has visions of midgets running wild | 20:18 | |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm, will get restarted I'd guess | 20:18 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | there was nothing else to do before a shutdown | 20:18 |
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| CutMeOwnThroat | oh well, I'll see... | 20:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | you installed the nice ctr-bs type 5 mode? | 20:20 |
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| DocScrutinizer | aka alt-tab emu | 20:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's awesome | 20:21 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | saw the video | 20:21 |
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| CutMeOwnThroat | if it was in the hildon-modified-desktop package, I did | 20:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | it is, but you need the gconftool cmd to set the config to enable it | 20:23 |
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| smooph | hey anybody know how i can make "]" with keyboard? | 20:26 |
| KaffeeJunky123 | fn + strg | 20:26 |
| KaffeeJunky123 | on a n900 | 20:26 |
| KaffeeJunky123 | it'll bring up the symbol dialog | 20:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer | smooph: or what exactly was your question? | 20:27 |
| smooph | thanks KaffeeJunky123 | 20:27 |
| smooph | respect the coffee :D | 20:27 |
| KaffeeJunky123 | I don't have any left ._. | 20:28 |
| smooph | I drink Club-Mate ... for now | 20:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | smooph: there's also http://wiki.maemo.org/Customizing_Maemo#Keyboard_characters | 20:28 |
| smooph | DocScrutinizer the problem is already solved | 20:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | smooph: how should I know? your question was pretty ambiguous | 20:29 |
| KaffeeJunky123 | Club-Mate= mate tea + lots of sugar? | 20:30 |
| smooph | I just didn't know how to type "]" but like KaffeeJunky123 said ... just push fn + strg | 20:30 |
| smooph | KaffeeJunky123: correct | 20:30 |
| MohammadAG51 | DocScrutinizer, matan's mhd is now hd in the ssu ;) | 20:30 |
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| KaffeeJunky123 | smooph: can I get that, but without the sugar? | 20:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | KaffeeJunky123: club mate is THE hacker softdrink in all Europe | 20:30 |
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| KaffeeJunky123 | and please the original mate tea | 20:30 |
| KaffeeJunky123 | with coca leaf | 20:30 |
| smooph | :D | 20:31 |
| jacekowski | uuuu | 20:31 |
| jacekowski | crap | 20:31 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | I see... | 20:31 |
| jacekowski | i forgot that /root is on rootfs | 20:31 |
| MohammadAG51 | lol | 20:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | KaffeeJunky123: it has really not much sugar | 20:31 |
| KaffeeJunky123 | DocScrutinizer: I don't like sugar in drinks | 20:32 |
| KaffeeJunky123 | DocScrutinizer: I get even more thirsty from it | 20:32 |
| alterego | Heh | 20:32 |
| * MohammadAG51 hates chocolate | 20:33 | |
| alterego | Me too | 20:34 |
| MohammadAG51 | makes me wanna wash my throat with a litre of water | 20:34 |
| alterego | Well, I don't hate it, but I don't like it much | 20:34 |
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| smooph | KaffeeJunky123: 5g sugar in 100ml | 20:35 |
| jacekowski | i have loads of chocolate | 20:36 |
| MohammadAG51 | chocolate rain | 20:36 |
| jacekowski | and other sweets | 20:36 |
| smooph | 15kcal per 100ml | 20:36 |
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| smooph | thats half of what cola and orange juice have | 20:37 |
| KaffeeJunky123 | about 1BE per glas! | 20:37 |
| KaffeeJunky123 | it's still a lot of sugar | 20:37 |
| smooph | i agree | 20:37 |
| smooph | whats BE | 20:37 |
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| DocScrutinizer | http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Club_mate | 20:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer | http://events.ccc.de/congress/2009/wiki/Tschunk | 20:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer | smooph: BE is a german unit for diabetic calculations, meaning "bread unit" and aiui equaling one slice of bread | 20:47 |
| KaffeeJunky123 | Where can I find an introduction to hildon gui programming? | 20:47 |
| KaffeeJunky123 | and is there a C++ classlibrary for it :>?= | 20:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation | 20:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | maybe a good startpoint | 20:49 |
| KaffeeJunky123 | already searching around there | 20:50 |
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| KaffeeJunky123 | I've already setup a scratch box for maemo | 20:52 |
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| inz | KaffeeJunky123, see also http://maemomm.garage.maemo.org/ if you want C++ | 20:53 |
| inz | Or has it been updated to Maemo5, dunno really. | 20:53 |
| KaffeeJunky123 | inz: tank you very much, I'll bookmark it right away | 20:53 |
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| kerio | why would anyone want c++ | 20:54 |
| Appiah | eeh | 20:54 |
| KaffeeJunky123 | kerio: dunno, maybe because I'm programming in c++ and not c99? | 20:56 |
| kerio | why would you program in c++ OR c99 | 20:56 |
| ShadowJK | you C89 luddite | 20:56 |
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| KaffeeJunky123 | kerio: what are you programming in then? | 21:00 |
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| kerio | python, of course | 21:06 |
| kerio | :) | 21:06 |
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| KaffeeJunky123 | You aren't serious, are you? | 21:08 |
| KaffeeJunky123 | Python is for quick and dirty scripts only | 21:09 |
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| KaffeeJunky123 | atleast use ruby | 21:09 |
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| * ShadowJK uses busybox sh for quick and dirty scripts | 21:10 | |
| chem|st | KaffeeJunky123: python is so 2010 like marriage, fast screwing with your acounts and leaves a mess after a while | 21:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer | on a sidenode: whole FSO-1 middleware framework on Openmoko FreeRunner was based on python and worked just fine mostly (http://www.freesmartphone.org) | 21:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | and probably it's the developer leaving a mess after a while, not python | 21:19 |
| ieatlint | "FSO is written in Vala, a modern object oriented programming language that compiles to C – thus giving you the maximum performance." :P | 21:20 |
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| ieatlint | and a very common programming model is to write things in python, test for bottlenecks, then replace just the bottlenecks with refactored code, c, or another applicable language | 21:21 |
| ieatlint | which as i recall was the original programming model of FSO's dbus GSM stack | 21:21 |
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| MohammadAG51 | why is Qt on symbian retarded... | 21:24 |
| ieatlint | because it was written as a desktop toolkit, and then smashed into an embedded stack with its widgets reimplemented differently | 21:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | ieatlint: I clearly said "FSO-1". FSO-2 is rewritten in vala | 21:25 |
| ieatlint | ah, indeed | 21:26 |
| ieatlint | which explains why FSO-2 is in vala... | 21:26 |
| ieatlint | from the old openmoko fso page "Once the APIs have been used by application programmers, we can start profiling and possibly reimplement some of the services with daemons written in Vala, if necessary" | 21:26 |
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| internetishard | is using apt-get dist-upgrade the right way to commence if the maemo 5 update says pc-suite is required? | 21:28 |
| Aranel | anyone playing Asphalt V on preenv? | 21:29 |
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| Aranel | internetishard: afaik, no. | 21:33 |
| Noobmonk3y | Aranel: Just fixed my borked n900 so i could install preenv | 21:33 |
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| Venemo | hi guys | 21:34 |
| Venemo | hey Noobmonk3y | 21:34 |
| Noobmonk3y | hey hey! | 21:34 |
| Aranel | Noobmonk3y: It crashes on mine :| | 21:35 |
| Noobmonk3y | :( :| :| | 21:35 |
| Aranel | Noobmonk3y: not the preenv, Asphalt 5. | 21:35 |
| Noobmonk3y | oh? | 21:35 |
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| Aranel | I can play with first cars but nothing more than level 6. | 21:35 |
| Noobmonk3y | thought it ran on the preenv thingy? | 21:35 |
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| Aranel | preenv works good with other games but Asphalt 5 crashes a lot :( | 21:36 |
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| Noobmonk3y | ohhhhhhhh | 21:40 |
| Noobmonk3y | so how are you playing it? | 21:40 |
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| Aranel | Now I find a way to make them work: Making decals on them. | 21:41 |
| Aranel | If they're stock, it crashes. Cars with decals dont crash. | 21:41 |
| Noobmonk3y | meh no idea what it is, just interested in trying new stuff :) | 21:42 |
| Aranel | try NFSU or Sims 3 first, you'll be impressed :) | 21:42 |
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| nidO | nfsu works really well | 21:42 |
| lolloo | I LUV MY N900!!!! | 21:42 |
| internetishard | Aranel: then how? | 21:42 |
| Aranel | and X-Plane ofc, It's a very VERY cool flight simulator. | 21:42 |
| lolloo | DAMN BEST FONE EVEEEER! | 21:42 |
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| Aranel | internetishard: If It asks for PC-Suite, a) you dont have enough rootfs space b) package conflict. | 21:43 |
| lolloo | IT'S LIKE A LAPTOP IN MY POCKET | 21:43 |
| internetishard | so I need the 80megs? | 21:43 |
| internetishard | I have 62megs | 21:43 |
| nidO | no | 21:43 |
| Aranel | internetishard: dist-upgrade is not a good way to deal with it, most likely will brick your device. | 21:43 |
| nidO | 62 is fine | 21:43 |
| Noobmonk3y | lol | 21:43 |
| nidO | you have a conflicting package | 21:43 |
| Aranel | internetishard: dunno, I think It's enough. | 21:43 |
| nidO | read the upgrade details | 21:43 |
| internetishard | why won't it tell me which pkg confliects | 21:43 |
| Noobmonk3y | i needed +73mb | 21:44 |
| nidO | internetishard: it does | 21:44 |
| Aranel | internetishard: try running dist-upgrade WITHOUT pressing Y to start, and see what is conflicting. | 21:44 |
| Aranel | internetishard: in most cases, conflicting packages are games or SDL/OpenGL things. | 21:45 |
| internetishard | says 864 upgraded, 11 newly installed, 581 to remove, and 4 not upgraded - don't see any confliects | 21:45 |
| Aranel | internetishard: :| then try what nidO said already, read the upgrade details. | 21:45 |
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| Aranel | lolloo: who doesn't? :P | 21:46 |
| internetishard | should I just delete logs in /var to free up space on / ? | 21:46 |
| lolloo | I agree Aranel | 21:46 |
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| internetishard | var is 33megs | 21:46 |
| internetishard | the other biggest dir is /usr/lib | 21:46 |
| Aranel | d'oh, It's pretty big. But nope, I think 62 megabytes is enough | 21:46 |
| internetishard | oh okay, it says "82" megs on the maemo 5 upgrade i think | 21:47 |
| nox- | moin | 21:48 |
| Aranel | internetishard: try apt-get remove libgles1 and apt-get remove libgles1-sgx-img | 21:48 |
| Aranel | internetishard: you can find a list of conflicting packages on maemo talk. | 21:49 |
| internetishard | how do I do this upgrade from the cmd line? | 21:49 |
| internetishard | instead of the package manager? | 21:49 |
| nox- | whats the rootpw for the madde pr1.2 image? or how do i install apps? (appmanager doesnt seem to see a network?) | 21:49 |
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| Aranel | internetishard: dist-upgrade is the only way but most ppl here don't recommend this, and I know some of them already bricked their device doing it. | 21:50 |
| internetishard | so just check for updates again with the regular package manager? | 21:50 |
| kerio | yup | 21:50 |
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| Aranel | yup, check for updates, click on it, read the update details | 21:51 |
| * Noobmonk3y is trying the sims w0000p | 21:51 | |
| Aranel | and If you have libgles1 and libgles1-sgx-img, remove them. | 21:51 |
| Noobmonk3y | well, once it copies :P | 21:52 |
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| internetishard | neither of those installed | 21:52 |
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| alterego | Noobmonk3y: w/ preenv? | 21:54 |
| Noobmonk3y | w/ preenv? | 21:54 |
| nidO | he means yes | 21:54 |
| alterego | with, preenv? :) | 21:54 |
| Noobmonk3y | yes :) | 21:54 |
| Noobmonk3y | nido reads my mind :p | 21:54 |
| alterego | It works really well | 21:54 |
| Noobmonk3y | yay! | 21:55 |
| Noobmonk3y | overclocked? | 21:55 |
| nidO | nop | 21:55 |
| Aranel | internetishard: remove Wormux, tuxrace, openarena and brainparty If you do have any of them. | 21:55 |
| alterego | As a team your worth talking to, but on your own you're only half a person .p | 21:55 |
| nidO | default clock the games run really smoothly | 21:55 |
| alterego | Yeah, I don't OC | 21:55 |
| alterego | even tv out is quite fun. | 21:55 |
| alterego | My gf is addicted to it ... | 21:56 |
| Noobmonk3y | yayyyyyyyyyyyy! | 21:56 |
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| Aranel | internetishard: also remove healthcheck and pearl. | 21:56 |
| * Noobmonk3y cries | 21:57 | |
| Noobmonk3y | every time you remove healthcheck a fairy dies | 21:57 |
| Noobmonk3y | (Fuck it, remove em alllllllllll Muhahahahahahaha) | 21:57 |
| Aranel | internetishard: If it's still not upgrading, then I don't know whick package is conflicting on your installation, read the upgrade detalis. | 21:57 |
| nidO | exactly what problem are people having with updating w/healthcheck installed? | 21:57 |
| nidO | my update went fine with it | 21:57 |
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| Aranel | Noobmonk3y: is it finished copying? | 21:58 |
| anger | good evening! | 21:58 |
| anger | Does anyone know the details how the mail for exchange works? | 21:59 |
| nidO | in what respect? | 21:59 |
| anger | I'm having problems with syncing emails, but calendar works fine | 22:00 |
| anger | If I try to sync emails, the app says that the server isn't responding | 22:00 |
| Noobmonk3y | done | 22:00 |
| Noobmonk3y | and loaded! | 22:00 |
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| Noobmonk3y | but not a sims fan! | 22:00 |
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| Noobmonk3y | so wanna game i can play without wasting my life away ;) | 22:00 |
| Noobmonk3y | looks soo cool though! | 22:00 |
| nidO | nfsu | 22:01 |
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| anger | But if I uncheck mail sync option, then the sync will work just fine :) | 22:01 |
| Noobmonk3y | who's back am i patting for the coolness? | 22:01 |
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| anger | Any ideas why is this? | 22:01 |
| anger | Could this have something to do with the lack of provisioning mode? | 22:01 |
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| nidO | does your exchange server require provisioning support? | 22:02 |
| kevloral | Hello all | 22:02 |
| Noobmonk3y | heya | 22:02 |
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| Aranel | Noobmonk3y: lol there's lots of great games. what would you wanna play? Blades of Fury, maybe? | 22:02 |
| Noobmonk3y | Ooo cool! | 22:02 |
| anger | nidO: no idea :) | 22:02 |
| Noobmonk3y | gonna try assasins creed in a mo | 22:02 |
| nidO | Noobmonk3y: a lot of the games work but are reliant on multitouch so dont really work | 22:03 |
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| Noobmonk3y | ahhh | 22:03 |
| Aranel | don't waste your time, It doesn't work b/c of multitouch. You will be stuck in first level. | 22:03 |
| Noobmonk3y | meh meh | 22:03 |
| Aranel | anyone got The Settlers working? | 22:03 |
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| n900-space | whats The Settlers? | 22:06 |
| n900-space | oh | 22:07 |
| n900-space | webos game | 22:07 |
| n900-space | i c | 22:07 |
| Aranel | WebOS game. | 22:07 |
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| Noobmonk3y | coool! | 22:07 |
| Noobmonk3y | love those sorts of games | 22:08 |
| Noobmonk3y | would like to try the golf one too | 22:08 |
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| Aranel | Noobmonk3y: maybe you already know it but here it is: http://wiki.maemo.org/Preenv/Game_Compatibility | 22:08 |
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| Noobmonk3y | yeah reading it now ;) | 22:09 |
| Aranel | Noobmonk3y: you can look here to see which games are working or not. | 22:09 |
| Noobmonk3y | thanks :) | 22:09 |
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| luke-jr | Noobmonk3y: just implement multitouch support | 22:14 |
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| Noobmonk3y | lol luke-jr ;) | 22:14 |
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| n900-space | nokia shud "just implement the multtouch support" for us :) | 22:15 |
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| luke-jr | n900-space: why? | 22:16 |
| nidO | the world's gonna be a wierd place when you can just download a new screen via nanotechnology | 22:16 |
| luke-jr | Nokia should open N900 so we can hack it :P | 22:16 |
| KaffeeJunky123 | is mupen64plus available for X86 maemo, or should I switch my scratchboard to an arm target? | 22:16 |
| KaffeeJunky123 | when I'm trying to install it in scratchboard it'll error about libgles2 not being available, so I tried copying the repos from my phone, because it's available on my phone, but apt-get still doesn't find an installable candidate of libgles2 ^^ | 22:17 |
| n900-space | nokia shud do a lot of things indeed :) | 22:17 |
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| internetishard | yeah thanks, it was qt4-test from ftp and healthcheck | 22:18 |
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| Noobmonk3y | w000p | 22:20 |
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| Aranel | I know It sounds kinda selfish, but please someone with scratchbox skills try and compile this?: http://mynokiablog.com/2010/03/31/video-qt-based-audelicious-app-music-visualizationappreciation-for-the-nokia-n900/ | 22:21 |
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| Aranel | It's an app named Audelicious, Qt-based and It's for N900 but It's not packaged. Looks very interesting but I couldnt compile it because my lack of scratchbox knowledge. :| | 22:22 |
| KaffeeJunky123 | isn't maemo using something like the debian buildsystem? | 22:24 |
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| KaffeeJunky123 | anyways, for just compiling your software you'll normaly have to do ./configure && make && fakeroot make install | 22:25 |
| KaffeeJunky123 | *compiling and installing | 22:25 |
| KaffeeJunky123 | atleast if it's a normal autotools project | 22:25 |
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| Noobmonk3y | oh well, realsoccer doesnt work :P | 22:29 |
| Noobmonk3y | well, half screen lol | 22:29 |
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| E0x | tell with a week using my n900 with pr1.3 i can really see a huge improve in the battery life | 22:53 |
| E0x | a really really nice thing | 22:53 |
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| tripzero | nice! | 22:55 |
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| PhonicUK | shame we still don't have flash 10 though | 23:07 |
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| Turski | shame we still have to use flash | 23:10 |
| KaffeeJunky123 | what about html5? | 23:11 |
| Turski | would be welcome | 23:11 |
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| crashanddie | "Here at Apple, we heard from the first gen iPhone users that people really wanted a hardware keyboard. So for the iPhone 3GS, we added a compass; just to fuck with you" | 23:18 |
| SpeedEvil | :) | 23:18 |
| Turski | :D | 23:18 |
| nox- | KaffeeJunky123, fennec 4 trunk supports html5 and i can enable it in youtube, but the video still is choppy... | 23:19 |
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| nox- | mostly stills with intermittent audio :( | 23:20 |
| KaffeeJunky123 | we should get some webkit based stuff | 23:21 |
| PaulFertser | Why not youtube-dl it and use mplayer? works nicely even on n810. | 23:21 |
| KaffeeJunky123 | how good are the multimedia plugins for maemo? | 23:21 |
| Appiah | well | 23:21 |
| Appiah | they work | 23:21 |
| Appiah | ? :) | 23:22 |
| KaffeeJunky123 | PaulFertser: because with html5 you can use the mplayer plugin to play stuff directly | 23:22 |
| KaffeeJunky123 | PaulFertser: without flash | 23:22 |
| PaulFertser | KaffeeJunky123: but with damn javascript. | 23:22 |
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| PaulFertser | KaffeeJunky123: and yes, i know what html5 is. | 23:22 |
| Aranel | KaffeeJunky123: nope It doesn't compile. qmake & make giving me errors :| | 23:23 |
| PaulFertser | KaffeeJunky123: also you have no choice of codec with html5 on youtube afair. And still no direct link to download etc. With youtube-dl you just use -f 18 or -f 17 and you get nice playable file. | 23:23 |
| KaffeeJunky123 | Aranel: what doesn't compile? | 23:23 |
| Aranel | [22:22:01] <Aranel> It's an app named Audelicious, Qt-based and It's for N900 but It's not packaged. Looks very interesting but I couldnt compile it because my lack of scratchbox knowledge. :| | 23:24 |
| Aranel | [22:24:21] <KaffeeJunky123> isn't maemo using something like the debian buildsystem? | 23:24 |
| KaffeeJunky123 | Aranel: and a paste of the compiler errors would be help full as well :) | 23:24 |
| KaffeeJunky123 | Aranel: or whatever errors you're getting | 23:24 |
| KaffeeJunky123 | I'm familiar with linux build stuff | 23:24 |
| KaffeeJunky123 | should work for maemo too :> | 23:24 |
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| jacekowski | link would be usefull | 23:24 |
| KaffeeJunky123 | Aranel: If you show me what you're trying to compile and what errors you get, I might be able to help you | 23:25 |
| jacekowski | and link to source | 23:25 |
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| KaffeeJunky123 | probably some missing dependencies | 23:26 |
| Aranel | Output: http://paste.org/pastebin/view/24314 | Source: http://mynokiablog.com/2010/03/31/video-qt-based-audelicious-app-music-visualizationappreciation-for-the-nokia-n900/ | 23:27 |
| Aranel | KaffeeJunky123: jacekowski: | 23:27 |
| KaffeeJunky123 | Aranel: I'll have a look at it, later | 23:27 |
| KaffeeJunky123 | in about 30mins | 23:27 |
| Aranel | ok ^^ | 23:27 |
| PaulFertser | Aranel: you should have QtOpenGl installed, but you miss it inside scratchbox. | 23:29 |
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| Aranel | PaulFertser: should I get libqt-opengl or libqt-opengl-dev? | 23:31 |
| PaulFertser | Aranel: the latter, and it will pull the former :) | 23:32 |
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| Macer | ~pr1.3 | 23:36 |
| infobot | i heard pr1.3 is the latest (and probably last) software update for Fremantle, available since Monday October 25 2010. More information at http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_5/PR1.3 -- see ~flashing for how to update | 23:36 |
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| Macer | ~flashing | 23:36 |
| infobot | hmm... flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 23:36 |
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| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: have you made that wiki page? | 23:44 |
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| Aranel | PaulFertser: yay It's compiled! ^^ thank you. | 23:47 |
| PaulFertser | Aranel: welcome | 23:47 |
| PaulFertser | Yesterday my friend showed me his N810 with telescope (sane app-launcher), some other goodies, modified hildon-desktop, cool programs and games and nice "white text, black BG" theme. And i realized that even though i spent quite some time messing with n900's kernel i am completely clueless about how to make the device enjoyable to me :| | 23:49 |
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| Aranel | and It works like a charm. Time for me to package it. | 23:50 |
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| KaffeeJunky123 | Aranel: ah you solved it already | 23:51 |
| KaffeeJunky123 | missing library I guess? | 23:51 |
| Aranel | PaulFertser solved it in fact, yup, missing libqt4-opengl | 23:52 |
| nox- | hm is kexec supposed to work in madde qemu? | 23:52 |
| Aranel | PaulFertser: why do you think N810 is more enjoyable than N900? N900 has got nice apps and games too (webos,ovi,free ones) too? | 23:53 |
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| PaulFertser | Aranel: it's not. I meant he is no programmer but he can enjoy what he has. And i'm kinda programmer (means more capable at tweaking) and i can't enjoy what i have. And btw, N900 is somewhat better but at the same time worse comparing to n810: smaller screen, less keys, smaller, less comfortable keyboard. | 23:54 |
| PaulFertser | Aranel: and no usb host support (though this might change soon). | 23:54 |
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| kerio | but also faster cpu, 3g modem, camera | 23:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: nope. Thought Myrtti will do | 23:55 |
| jacekowski | Myrtti: | 23:55 |
| KaffeeJunky123 | PaulFertser: who cares about the keyboard when developing | 23:56 |
| PaulFertser | kerio: camera worth little to me, i can't see decent usecases in my real life for it. Faster cpu -- slightly faster, yes. 3g -- a considerable advantage but somewhat mitigated if you have a 3g-equipped cellphone in your other pocket with bluetooth connection. | 23:56 |
| Aranel | PaulFertser: yeah but N900 is more like a mobile phone compared to N900, so I think smaller screen, smaller keyboard and overall "small" thing is acceptable. | 23:56 |
| Aranel | compared to N810* | 23:56 |
| KaffeeJunky123 | PaulFertser: also it's better then the iPhones onscreen keyboard XD | 23:56 |
| PaulFertser | Aranel: i'd prefer bigger cellphone, n810 would be just ok for me. | 23:56 |
| jacekowski | btw. why internet browsing on phone is a lot slower than on laptop connected to that phone | 23:56 |
| jacekowski | even though cpu load isn't anywhere close to 100% | 23:57 |
| jacekowski | it's just like it's loading it slowly because it likes to | 23:57 |
| Aranel | PaulFertser: does usb host mode works good on N810? You can use flash drives on N900, and I heard MohammadAG got a CD Writer to work and someone else got a keyboard working. | 23:57 |
| PaulFertser | KaffeeJunky123: some people claim resistive touchscreens are so inferiour comparing to capacitive... But i'd prefer resistive still. And my daily phone is Freerunner which has a much smaller and less comfortable on-screen keyrboard only. | 23:57 |
| jacekowski | PaulFertser: SAW | 23:57 |
| Macer | hm | 23:57 |
| Macer | no ota for 1.3 | 23:58 |
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| jacekowski | if somebody can perfect technology | 23:58 |
| jacekowski | Macer: there is | 23:58 |
| Macer | ? guess i will flash | 23:58 |
| jacekowski | Macer: just not very compatible with extras repos | 23:58 |
| jacekowski | Macer: disable all additional repos | 23:58 |
| jacekowski | Macer: and it should work | 23:58 |
| Macer | oh lol | 23:58 |
| jacekowski | Macer: but i lost sound after doing ssu | 23:58 |
| Macer | screw that... i will just reflash | 23:58 |
| Macer | ;) | 23:58 |
| Macer | i think i need to anyways | 23:59 |
| PaulFertser | Aranel: usb host mode works nicely on n810 (but i guess current is limited to 100mA comparing to 200mA on n900). And hostmode support on n900 is in alpha stage, i'm still to find the proper way to switch between low, full and high speed devices and to solve some other minor glitches. | 23:59 |
| Macer | have random screw ups.. surprised a 1.3 came out | 23:59 |
| Macer | was unexpected | 23:59 |
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| Macer | profilemdesktop?m lol | 23:59 |
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