IRC log of #maemo for Saturday, 2010-10-30

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messertingGreat, PR1.3 installation done. System is up, and seems to work (just as before).00:02
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mgedmin_llll_, no microUSB cables nearby?00:03
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TiagoTiagoany news on that project of making a new equializer for the N900 to make the speakers not be so lame?00:05
kerioMNZ, where art thou00:05
kerioTiagoTiago: MNZ was working on it00:05
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keriousing hw filters to do what the nokia speaker protection does, and more00:06
TiagoTiagoDo you know how far he had got?00:06
TiagoTiagothat would rock00:06
kerioi think he was stuck at writing the ui for the EQ00:06
TiagoTiagoi thought it was just gonna bypass the software limitations potentially reducing the life of the speakers00:06
keriohe'd need to emulate a multiband equalizer with two (or four?) filters00:06
keriohuh? no00:06
kerioof course not00:07
kerio*replacing* the nokia protection was in the works from the beginning ofc00:07
kerioeven more than having just audio directly from the codec to the speakers00:07
kerioalthough i still want that00:07
kerioso pa+mafw doesn't rape my cpu00:08
keriohe said there wouldn't be that much of a battery life gain though00:08
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kevloralHello all00:08
TiagoTiagoDo you know if the loudness would at least get close to what the N73 an do?00:08
jogaheh misread loudness for loneliness00:09
_llll_mgedmin: oh, didnt think of that! cheers00:09
kerioprobably not, duh00:09
kerioworse speakers00:09
keriosoftware can only get you so far00:09
javispedrokerio: that's the reason Nokia didn't do afaik (net battery life time would be reduced).00:10
kerio(a.k.a. not much)00:10
javispedro(re dsp xprot)00:10
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crashanddielooks like 4chan is ddos'ing again00:10
BCMMcrashanddie: heh00:10
TiagoTiagohaving a mobile that isn't loud at all is kinda emasculating :(00:10
keriolol phone speakers00:10
* crashanddie shuts down perl scripts...00:10
BCMMmy favourite bit of stuff like that is when Slashdot posts a story about it just when they're recovering00:11
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kerioare you seriously using that00:11
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tybolltcrashanddie: Awww let the b-tards have their fun, mum will soon tell them to go brush their teeth and head straight to bed anyway ;)00:23
javispedro... but they will leave their computers on, ofc.00:24
javispedrowasting energy that could be used to... dunno, maybe powering my hair drier00:24
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trumeeI ma trying to flash on opensuse 11.3 and getting "Unable to enumerate USB buses". What does that mean?00:27
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trumeedont tell me i need a windows machined to flash N900. ugghh!00:28
javispedrothat usbfs is not mounted where flasher expects it, iirc.00:28
keriotrumee: are you root?00:28
trumeekerio: yes i am00:28
kerioroot or a user with the necessary capabilities00:28
trumeekerio: i am root00:28
trumeeon the next try i get USB device found found at bus 001, device address 01000:29
trumeeError claiming USB interface: Device or resource busy00:29
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trumeepity i need to find a windows machine. on my gentoo box it was fine, but opensuse crapped out00:32
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tybollttrumee: Opensuse 11.3 on your n900???00:33
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trumeetybollt: no on my laptop00:33
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jacktheripperhow can I launch the mediaplayer from terminal ?00:34
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MohammadAGdbus-send --type=method_call /com/nokia/HildonDesktop/AppMgr string:"mediaplayer"?00:42
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zapGuys, anybody knows a way to force hildon desktop to re-read icon cache after installing my .deb file?00:52
zap(other than killal hildon-desktop, that is)00:52
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sivangzap: isn't that doen with tracker somehow?00:58
sivanghmm, prolly not00:58
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javispedrozap: there are some bugs out there whose # i don't remember, but it basically goes like touching /usr/share/icons/hicolor/hildon01:05
* javispedro remembers an attached patch, wonder if it got into pr1.3...01:06
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zapbut how hildon-desktop detects that a new icon appeared under hicolor? Sometimes it refreshes icons normally01:07
javispedroit monitors some dir's mtime for updates01:08
lcukzap, its also based on the order of when the .desktop files are copied vs the icon files themselves01:08
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zapyes, I observed that when I touch the .desktop file it re-reads the list of applications01:09
zaphowever, icons aren't refreshed01:09
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javispedroah, here is that bug01:09
javispedrobug #693101:09
povbotBug After installation of software last icon in list has default icon instead of own one01:09
javispedroread last comment, actual dir to touch is /usr/share/icons/hicolor01:10
zapnow the question is: should I adapt packages to this bug, or wait for bugfixes :(01:11
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alteregozap: don't hold out for any more bug fixes01:17
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zaphmm, so the right sequence is: touch icons/hicolor, then touch .desktop file01:19
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psYchotichey everyone, I'm having a problem with modest on PR1.3, it's nagging me about's SSL certificate having a bad signature01:32
psYchoticand I'm not quite sure what to do. I've never had this problem before.01:33
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psYchotichmm, never mind, it just stopped bothering me (not sure I like it, but it'll have to do for now). Thanks anyway01:37
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DocScrutinizerlcuk: javispedro: you noticed the differences in CPU load while hooked to USB(-charger), from PR1.2 to PR1.3?01:48
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javispedrowall charger or plain usb host?01:50
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DocScrutinizerE.G. hook to charger (stop all apps, lock screen), run powertop01:51
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javispedrobah, powertop is gone from repos again01:52
* javispedro types again. arggggh!!!01:53
DocScrutinizerkernel sucks power like mad, while VBUS detected(cause mere handwaving, so educated guess anyway). Will both kill battery cause keeping it floating at maxvolt when "charging" overnight, something that so far only happened when screen BL kept on. And will bite us for hostmode :-S01:53
javispedrotop says 99.5% idle at least01:54
DocScrutinizercall me DocScrutinizer51 - gone for beer01:54
DocScrutinizerjavispedro: duh what?01:54
DocScrutinizeraah top01:54
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javispedromore like 99% on avg01:55
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DocScrutinizeryeah, but compare powertop of PR1.3 to that:
javispedro is from pr1.2 or pr1.301:55
DocScrutinizeroops, mompl01:56
DocScrutinizerDocScrutinizer:  same as before, but with title, so nobody gets confused :-)
javispedrothat's PR1.2? 50% of time at 600Mhz???01:58
javispedronot very good either.01:58
DocScrutinizerbut at least it enters C401:58
DocScrutinizerand AIUI it is 11.4% of time in C0 with 54.4% of that time @ 250MHz, the rest 500MHz01:59
pupnik_having a 'mainframe' (in 1980s terms) in your pocket is pretty nifty01:59
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javispedroDocScrutinizer: mine's locked at 500Mhz 100% of the time in PR1.3, deepest C state C102:00
DocScrutinizerthat's exactly what PR1.3 does02:00
DocScrutinizerplus it eats power like mad02:00
ieatlintmust resist urge to order batteries, wire and random pcbs from yemen02:00
javispedroDocScrutinizer: it doesn't seem to get very hot02:01
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DocScrutinizerjavispedro: 33°C vs usual 25° here02:01
tripzeroPR1.3 gobbles up your battery!02:02
* javispedro will wait until end of charge cycle in ~1 hour to unplug it02:02
DocScrutinizerwell that's not like "OMFG it eats more power than charger can provide" or death after 3h, but it's really nasty for e.g hostmode02:02
SpeedEvilOr battery powered chargers.02:02
SpeedEvilWhich is IMO a perfectly reasonable 'normal' use-case.02:03
* javispedro sighs02:03
SpeedEvilI think there is even a nokia external battery02:03
DocScrutinizeror battery itself as bq24150 never detects end-of-charging02:03
DocScrutinizerand keeps cell floating at 4.2V02:03
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javispedroany guesses at the cause?02:04
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DocScrutinizeror CPU which seems to be locked at 500 - something that Igor(?) of Nokia said "DONT DO THAT!"02:04
javispedro500 is in the "safe" range02:04
javispedroit's 600 that's out of it02:04
DocScrutinizerjavispedro: depends on VBUS detected, as it's happening on both charger and host02:04
javispedro(so this means it is clearly intentional...)02:04
javispedroDocScrutinizer: and the culprit? kernel CPU usage seems average, so it looks like some lock indeed02:05
SpeedEvilI vaguely remember there are constraints on 50002:05
SpeedEvilmaybe that is only industrial parts02:05
DocScrutinizerkk, nevertheless I feel really friggin uncomfortable to keep my device hooked up to charger night after night02:05
* javispedro already didn't do that eitherway02:05
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SpeedEvilDoes it powersave when off?02:06
DocScrutinizeryes, pretty nicely indeed02:06
ieatlintDocScrutinizer: you've made me uncomfortable doing it too now, bastard02:06
javispedroSpeedEvil: ofc, battery life would have plumetted otherwise.02:06
DocScrutinizerjavispedro: for hostmode I expect massive impact02:07
javispedroDocScrutinizer: well, since we still don't have android's wakelocks, I guess the culprit has to live in kernel space02:07
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DocScrutinizerjavispedro: it's clearly kernel as I can reproduce it with a PR1.3 kernel on a PR1.1.1 rootfs02:08
javispedroDocScrutinizer: briefed changes? are they small?02:08
DocScrutinizerPaulFertser says he doesn't see anything that looks related02:08
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DocScrutinizerso it's a real nasty bugger02:09
javispedroI still think it has to be intentional02:09
DocScrutinizerunexpected side effect of some kind02:09
DocScrutinizerhow could it?02:09
DocScrutinizerwhy should it?02:09
DocScrutinizerwhat use might this have anyway?02:09
javispedrodunno, but 500 exactly.... should ring bells.02:10
javispedrospeaking of bells..02:10
tripzerooriginal droid was 500MHz02:10
javispedrowasn't there some other component that locked cpu in 500Mhz?02:10
DocScrutinizeryeah, I remember somebody explaining CPU is fixed to xxxMHz while on USB host02:10
DocScrutinizerfor dunno what reasons02:10
DocScrutinizerbut for VBUS aka charger it's clearly a bug02:11
javispedroNB#161191 - Rover does not differentiate charging downstream port02:11
javispedro+    from dedicated charger  looks a candidate02:11
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javispedrobut I agree with PaulFertser, actual code looks innocent...02:12
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javispedrothere's a small change...02:13
javispedrointerrupts are enabled in musb when vbus detected02:13
javispedropreviously, they weren't.02:13
DocScrutinizerwell, I did a good job - I brought it to your notice. :-) Now I'm afk again, for booze. My pub has last day, closing up for good02:14
javispedro(err, sorry -- damn battery-less mouse...)02:15
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mikeplus64Somewhat-offtopic: Is there any n900 successor in the works?02:16
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BueeNeed some help getting Ubuntu on to my N810, the file on the walkthrough is MIA.  Any one have the rootfs?02:18
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ShadowJKIn 1.2 without bme, power consumption would immediately go up when vbus goes high. It would go down to reasonable levels again when I trigger the charger detection (assuming it's a wallcharger connected)02:22
ShadowJKin 1.2 with stock maemo, it always did sit at 500MHz when connected to a PC host02:22
javispedroso that's it.02:24
javispedrothis is the issue: previously musb ints were disabled when wall charger found (aka after charger_detect returned 1)02:24
javispedronow they're on02:24
javispedrofor some reason this causes lock to 500Mhz?02:24
ShadowJKSo, um, does anyone have or know of a "charging downstream port"02:25
javispedrono fscking idea.02:25
ShadowJKI'm sure I saw it in the USB charging spec but I don't remember02:25
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javispedroeither way, I don't think is a show-stopper to h-e-n, as it will be just reverted to previous behaviour in kernel02:28
javispedroin fact I think I will revert it on my kernel...02:28
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infobotDocScrutinizer51: :)03:28
* Robot101 should be tucked up in bed but his train was delayed 2 hours :(03:28
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logisistRobot101: are you on your Maemo device?03:29
Robot101no I'm on my Thinkpad X200s03:29
Robot101my N900 is charging :)03:29
logisistI'm on my Dell E651003:30
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TiagoTiagoIs there somthing like the UDK (the free game development kit for Unreal engine)  for the N900?03:47
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luke-jrTiagoTiago: you mean gratis? or is it actually free?03:48
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TiagoTiagoyou don't have to pay, but some parts of the engine are kept binary only03:49
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TiagoTiagoIf you wanna peek into the closed bits you gotta pay03:50
TermanaTiagoTiago, then the answer is gratis03:52
TiagoTiagoSome of the key features i have in mind when i say somthing like UDK, would be things like already ready for multiplayer, easy to make physical things (vehicles included), easy to test what you make (like, you edit the level, wire so,e physics and AI scripts, select a player mechanics script and hit a button and you're there playing just like when its deployed)03:52
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luke-jrTiagoTiago: so if you pay, it's free?04:01
luke-jror still non-free?04:02
TiagoTiagothere is still a proprietary license on the source code you get to see if you pay04:02
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TiagoTiagomore specificily "Q: How does this differ from an Unreal Engine 3 license?"04:07
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* DocScrutinizer burps unreally04:21
TiagoTiagoreading there it refreshed my memory, its only free for non0comercial use (they even want in on the ads reveneu if you own the site that hosts the game files)04:22
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DocScrutinizerhow's about ads *in* the game? losers04:23
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TiagoTiagoi'm pretty sure that is covered somewhere in the license as well04:24
DocScrutinizerseem to have been living under a stone while 2nd life seen daylight and died04:24
b-man_hmm, there's a few typos in some of the examples in this C programming book LOL04:24
b-man_title - "C Primer Plus - user-friendly guide to the c programing language - revised edition" :)04:26
* DocScrutinizer shoots down pink " TiagoTiago " on laptop's screen with a 150mW green laser04:26
DocScrutinizerNOOOOOO dead pixel :-/04:26
b-man_DocScrutinizer: i have worse :(04:27
b-man_DocScrutinizer: i have at least 3, plus a small horizontal line is starting to appear on my screen04:27
TiagoTiagogreen laser affects liquid crystals?04:27
b-man_(on my N900, btw)04:28
DocScrutinizerTiagoTiago: I'm not going to try it, just kidding04:28
TiagoTiagoi see04:28
DocScrutinizerb-man_: warranty04:28
DocScrutinizerI seem to recall L1&2 service manual and specs require zero dead pixels for a device to pass QA04:29
b-man_DocScrutinizer: i have to send mine to some stupid service center in Alabama which will charge me $180.00 just to look at it :(04:30
b-man_and it'd be gone for 4 weeks04:30
DocScrutinizermove to a sane country04:30
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b-man_i wish i could XD04:30
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DocScrutinizerUSA is so.... :X04:31
b-man_indeed :(04:31
TiagoTiagoI wonder if anyone else has updated to pr1.3 using Synaptic04:31
DocScrutinizereverybody over there seems to think USA is king of the world, and yet you need no enemies04:31
b-man_the government is going down hill04:32
b-man_too many f*cked up politicians04:32
DocScrutinizerone word: moore04:32
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TiagoTiagoSomthing big is coming, i can feel it, and it worries me deeply...04:33
* b-man_ wouldn't be surprised to see a revolution in his lifetime at this rate04:33
DocScrutinizerwait until oil peak passed by04:34
DocScrutinizerthen armour your doors and windows04:34
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DocScrutinizerpeak oil is the term04:35
TiagoTiagoI used to think the biggest thing to happen in this century was gonna be the technological singularity, but i started to fear somthing much less utopic but of similar level of impact is nearing04:36
DocScrutinizerRobot101: nice :-D04:36
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DocScrutinizerWAAAH - "emails sent today"04:38
TiagoTiagothat piece of data is meaningless without the count of spams received today04:39
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TiagoTiago"Road traffic accident fatalities this year" is way slower than i expected...04:40
* DocScrutinizer wonders what's this site's notion of "today"04:42
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ieatlinti'm impressed at how slowly the "internet users" count is growing04:45
DocScrutinizer>> 331,086,968,809   World spending on illegal drugs this year (US$)<< This HAS to change! LEGALIZE!04:46
b-man_"1,155,865,858 Overweight people in the world right now" XD04:46
DocScrutinizerI missed the underweight04:47
DocScrutinizerlike me04:47
ieatlinthmmm... 42 years of oil left at current rate of consumption...04:47
ieatlintsounds like it won't be my problem04:47
* ieatlint go fills his car up04:47
b-man_it will be mine lol04:47
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DocScrutinizeractually most amazing fact is there's ore alcohol fatalities than suicides04:48
TiagoTiagois the "gas" there gasoline or natural gas?04:48
Bueeb-man_: was trying your walkthrough for Ubu on the N810 and during the process, my N810 won't boot now04:48
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ieatlintblame china, we were much better off until they went and decided they wanted to be a developed country too04:48
ieatlintTiagoTiago: natural gas04:48
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b-man_Buee: the packages in that tutorial are extremely old04:48
BueeI bet, so is the device lol04:48
DocScrutinizerieatlint: don't wake the dragon!04:49
BueeTried NITDroid too, that won't work either04:49
ieatlintawesome, 38m abortions this year04:49
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ieatlintDocScrutinizer: :P04:49
b-man_Buee: did you ask anyone about your problems at #nitdroid?04:49
TiagoTiagobut no count of children abandoned due to unwanted pregnancies04:50
DocScrutinizerChina and India will bust the globe in no time04:50
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BueeYeah, tons of people in there, not a single one responding.  I'm betting most people don't care about the N810 and are all on the N900 now04:50
TiagoTiagothat seems biased04:50
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ieatlintonly 1.488m people have died from alcohol this year?04:50
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ieatlintthat seems low04:50
b-man_Buee: unfortunately it seems that way04:50
DocScrutinizerBuee: making friends?04:50
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TiagoTiagoalsoo there is no counter for reforestation04:51
BueeDocScrutinizer: Depends on how difficult I am to get this thing to boot again I guess04:51
* DocScrutinizer pets his N810 (the active one of the couple)04:51
Bueeb-man_: the thing that gets me is I've reflashed with the known working image and it boot loops04:52
TiagoTiagomessed up boot loader?04:52
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BueeTiagoTiago: Dunno.  How can I tell04:53
TiagoTiagono idea04:53
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DocScrutinizerBuee: get a fresh battery, reflash04:54
BueeTiagoTiago: I was hoping a flash would unf*** anything I did04:54
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DocScrutinizerBuee: if no success, sell battery on ebay and spare parts N810n as well04:54
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BueeSo no pearls of wisdom from some of the best N810 modders eh?04:56
DocScrutinizerBuee: honestly, aiui if you nuked your NOLO on N8x0 you're pretty screwed. Get it to a center and coldflash04:56
DocScrutinizerBuee: nevertheless odds are your problems are related to a worn out battery04:57
TiagoTiagotry tmo as well04:57
b-man_Buee: have you tried reflashing again?04:57
BueeDocScrutinizer: Battery was absolutely fine until I rebooted04:57
DocScrutinizersays who?04:58
Bueeb-man_: Oh yeah, numerous times.  Even did the NITDroid image too and back to Nokia04:58
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b-man_DocScrutinizer: if it at least starts up, it may not be the botloader04:58
DocScrutinizerflashing might fail on waek battery04:58
DocScrutinizerfailed flashing causes bootloop04:58
b-man_Buee: was the battery full?04:59
BueeI got the Nokia screen with green type across the screen04:59
DocScrutinizerbootloop causes charging failure04:59
Bueeb-man_: Yes04:59
DocScrutinizeryou see the circle?04:59
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luke-jrBuee: the green type is R&D mode bootmenu04:59
BueeNo Circle. Nokia logo with an image of a tablet with a wrench over it underneath the logo and the USB logo in the upper right hand corner05:00
luke-jrBuee: how are you charging your battery?05:00
b-man_Buee: flasher-3.5 -f -F *.bin -R?05:00
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b-man_Buee: what flags are you using?05:00
Bueeb-man_: flasher-3.5 -f -F *.bin -R got me "Invalid FIASCO file header"05:01
luke-jractually, why can't N8x0 flash with power plugged in?05:01
Bueeb-man_: was using -f -k05:01
DocScrutinizerBuee: reflash!05:02
b-man_-k flashes kernel05:02
b-man_you need a full reflash05:02
TiagoTiagoany chance you know how i can set a deadzone for the accelerometer on Duke Nukem 3D (on the N900) ?05:02
DocScrutinizerluke-jr: it can, it's just you need to hold 'u' when it ""boots"", and it boots when power applied05:03
b-man_Buee: did you follow any of this?
DocScrutinizerluke-jr: something along that line, in my book05:03
luke-jrDocScrutinizer: I don't recall having to press anyhting05:04
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DocScrutinizerluke-jr: that's because you hadn't PSU plugged :-D05:04
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luke-jrI must have…05:04
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luke-jrmy battery is fried05:04
luke-jrat least, BME forces a shutdown immediately if I unplug it05:05
DocScrutinizerdissect xloader & NOLO05:05
DocScrutinizerit's all about entering flashing mode instead of booting kernel05:05
luke-jrthat, I just run flasher before plugging it in05:06
DocScrutinizerthere's no *technical* reason why you can't have it hooked up to wallwart05:06
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TiagoTiagothen how does the new firmware gets there?05:06
DocScrutinizerTiagoTiago: by telepathy05:07
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TermanaDocScrutinizer, just read the log. You don't press U on the N8x0 like you do on the N900. You just plug the USB cable in05:08
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DocScrutinizerno, you actually hold "home" button05:08
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DocScrutinizerwhich is N8x0's 'u'05:09
DocScrutinizerand I'm absolutely sure I read *somewhere*: "you can plug in powersupply after flashing started"05:10
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DocScrutinizersee, as long as there's a power source it's _impossible_ to really switch off the N8x005:12
* DocScrutinizer *hates* being urged to kill browsers that gone apeshit and eat 90% CPU05:14
DocScrutinizerhooray for Adobe & flash-fsckit05:15
Bueeb-man_: That got it this time.  Anyone have any recommendations for the OS on this thing besides Maemo.  Tried Ubuntu, obviously no success there.  Tried NITDroid, but I think the 8GB SD card is my problem there05:15
TermanaDocScrutinizer, that's no different on the N900, unless it's completely dead05:15
DocScrutinizermodulo you got no barrel jack on N90005:15
TermanaNo, but you said power source05:16
DocScrutinizerwhich actually is one of the major brainfucks05:16
DocScrutinizercredits and flames go to China and EU05:17
DocScrutinizerand USB-cert05:17
TermanaIf you plug the N900 into a wallwart or USB, how is that not a "power source"? :P05:17
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DocScrutinizernobody said it's not05:17
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TiagoTiagoi hate how some fullscreen games  trap the N900 if you do anything to come out of it without actualy closing it, leaving holding the pwoer button down as the only way to regain control of the device05:18
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SpeedEvilor something similar05:18
DocScrutinizerlo SpeedEvil05:18
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SpeedEvilNight all.05:19
TiagoTiagoThe games in question eon't let you click on anything outside of it05:19
DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: cya05:19
DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: tomorrow I'll think of you while eating my raspberry bread05:19
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DocScrutinizerTiagoTiago: ctrl-BS ??05:21
TiagoTiagonope, keys also inutilized, except for the power button05:21
DocScrutinizerssh; killall05:22
TiagoTiagotwo games that mess it up like this are OpenArena and Duke Nukem 3D05:22
DocScrutinizerapt-get --nuke05:22
TiagoTiagohm, ok, next time i'll trying SSH (i hope it isn't when i away from a computer i can do that with05:22
infoboti heard xyawn is big coffee05:22
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DocScrutinizerhmm, really05:23
infobotextra, extra, read all about it, xyawn is coffee05:23
* DocScrutinizer shrugs and prepares a cup05:23
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TiagoTiagowoah, that was trippy, i yawned and as the yawn was dieing some vehicle passed on a nearby street, the frequency of the noise from the vehicle seemed to resonate with the room and with my sinuses, it felt like my yawn continued to sound even after i stopped yawning; only after the vehicle moved away enough that i understood what was going on05:25
TermanaTiagoTiago, if you just tap the power button (not hold) the normal power menu will come up and you can press "Kill current task"05:27
DocScrutinizerwhere's it growing?05:27
TiagoTiagocan't click on anything05:27
TiagoTiagothat includes the power button menu05:27
Termanawell I have a better solution anyway05:28
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TiagoTiagoIt seems the games trap mouse and keys even while not focused05:28
TermanaDon't play crappy games05:28
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TermanaProblem solved05:28
DocScrutinizerMyrtti: now what is this? :-D05:29
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DocScrutinizersiping my coffee05:33
DocScrutinizerglaring on T900 with that PR1.3 kernel. Powered down for the first time in 6 months05:34
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* DocScrutinizer patting05:36
DocScrutinizerpetting IroN90005:36
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DocScrutinizerthe one with PR1.205:36
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* DocScrutinizer wonders how to end a call by pressing/engaging either power-, or cam-, or lock-switch05:45
DocScrutinizerscreen with all that rotation transitions and proximity locking is too slow for what I usually want from a phone05:46
DocScrutinizerkill call has to be less than 500ms05:46
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ebzzry_I can't seem to enter flasher mode. I'm using bootmenu.05:51
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ebzzryDoes R&D mode automatically enable flashing mode?05:57
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b-man_ebzzry: you have to hold down the 'u' key while the device is off and then plug in the USB cable05:59
b-man_then your device will enter flasher mode05:59
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TiagoTiagostop using portrait mode?06:14
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TiagoTiagoalso, are transitions that bad even if you set them to really low values?06:16
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luke-jrDocScrutinizer: use the slider screen-unlock thing06:18
luke-jrDocScrutinizer: then hit end w/o rotate06:18
luke-jrTiagoTiago: you can't really disable portrait mode06:19
TiagoTiagoset it to not rotate?06:19
luke-jrit doesn't respect the setting most of hte time06:19
TiagoTiagochange display orientation from automatic to landscape06:19
TiagoTiagothat sucks :(06:20
TiagoTiagohow cna i repro it not respecting the orientation setting?06:21
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ebzzryb-man_: I'm aware of that, but somehow my device won't go into flasher mode. I'm using R&D mode.06:25
ebzzryb-man_: Also The bootmenu shows06:25
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ebzzryAfter flashing PR 1.3, does it really take long for the 6 dots to appear?06:39
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TiagoTiagoi did it over the air (well, with Synaptic), it didn't even asked me to reboot, i did it anyway just in case, and i didn't notice anything different06:45
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ebzzryWhat does cold flashing do?07:00
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TiagoTiagoI think it is flashing without the help of the NOLO, i could be wrong07:19
TiagoTiago~cold flashing07:19
TiagoTiagoballs :\07:20
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pigeonis glGetString(GL_VERSION) supposed to not work on the n900?07:59
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pigeonnever mind08:26
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pigeonactually, it seems to always return null...09:45
XhindeIf i may ask. Is there a way to use the external volume bottuns as "next" in the player. For example, one click makes volume go up and down and holding it down makes it go to the next song09:47
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pigeonglGetString(GL_VERSION) gives me null for gles109:51
pigeongles2 works09:51
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pigeonfound my problem10:00
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Xhindeat least one of us did10:04
pigeonneed to link against libGLES_CM/libGLESv2, not libGL10:04
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iksaifHi, anyone with some time to install/test a package quickly ? :)10:17
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ruskienice... flashing to uboot+kernel image was a success11:14
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ebzzryDoes a full flash install a new nolo?11:17
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Noobmonk3ymorning alls :)11:19
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Noobmonk3ybacon ? ;)11:24
VladNistori'll have some :)11:24
Noobmonk3yw000p that normally wakes people up ;)11:24
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kerioMOAR BACON11:25
Noobmonk3ymooooarning kerio :)11:25
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Noobmonk3ymeh, spose it is still early :P11:26
kerio10.26am is early? :O11:26
Noobmonk3y9.26 is :P11:28
Noobmonk3yon a saturday!11:28
ebzzryHello everyone, I need some help. I think I bricked my device.11:29
kerioebzzry: reflash11:29
kerioif it fails, nokia care center11:29
kerioreflash 1.211:30
ebzzrykerio: I did that, but the devices still behaves the same. =(11:30
ebzzrykerio: I am at least 6 hours away to the closest Nokia Care Center.11:30
kerioreflash the eMMC too11:30
ebzzrykerio: Let me try that.11:30
kerioflash fiasco and emmc11:30
kerioif it still fails it's not pr1.3-related, it's hardware11:31
Noobmonk3yreflashing the emms, normall sorts out the bricked from the non bricked :)11:31
ruskieebzzry, yeah11:31
keriowithout booting between those11:31
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ebzzrykerio: Does that mean I'll have to omit the "-R" flag to flasher-3.5 so that the device won't reboot?11:31
ruskieebzzry, it reflashes nolo11:31
kerioebzzry: on the first one, yeah11:31
ebzzrykerio: Sweet, let me do that.11:31
kerioput the -R on the second command so it does reboot11:31
ruskiegenerally I've read it's a good idea to ommit -R always11:32
ebzzryruskie: I'll take note of that.11:32
ebzzryThen that means the documentation for flashing should be updated to reflect those statements.11:32
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Noobmonk3yebzzry: well done for volunteering ;)11:33
ebzzryNoobmonk3y: hehe. :)11:33
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ebzzryI'll just fetch the latest eMMC image, then I'll post updates.11:34
ebzzryBy the way, does it matter that I have been using bootmenu?11:34
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Noobmonk3ycool! goodluck ;) - erm, i think it just removes it doesnt it?11:35
ebzzryBy the way, what exactly is R&D mode?11:36
ruskieresearch&development mode11:36
ruskiedisables a ton of stuff and might enable some other stuff11:36
ebzzryUh, that wiki page doesn't tell a lot.11:37
Noobmonk3ytells more than nothing ;) lol11:37
ebzzryIt feels good to have timely backups. =)11:39
ebzzryA few more minutes and the eMMC image download is done. =)11:39
Noobmonk3y:) :)11:40
Termanaebzzry, It doesn't tell a lot because there isn't a lot to tell11:40
TermanaDid you consider that?11:40
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ebzzryTermana: Then why is there an R&D mode? =)11:40
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ebzzryTermana: I'll answer that. Because it just is.11:41
ebzzryWho among you use R&D mode on a daily basis?11:41
Termanaebzzry, because it serves a purposes. There's just not much to say about it. It does what it does11:41
ebzzryI use R&D mode to enable SSH via Bootmenu. Is that reasonable?11:41
Noobmonk3yebzzry: i think it is a more historical thing for uber developers11:41
Noobmonk3yalthough, good reason ;)11:42
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ebzzryHmm, anyway, who among you guys use it?11:43
Noobmonk3ynot me :)11:44
Noobmonk3ylcuk: ever use r&d mode?11:44
ebzzryI remember, is this BackupMenu app good?11:45
Noobmonk3yhehe, too early n quiet on here :p11:47
RobbieThe1stebzzry: One-of-a-kind.11:48
alteregoDon't think I've used r&d since N80011:48
korhojoai used to use r&d mode before nitdroid worked without it11:48
alteregoI might have enabled it on the N810 for some reason. Know I've never done it on the N900 though11:49
RobbieThe1stThat reminds me; I probably should start packaging up my new version of Backupmenu and upload it to the repo...11:49
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korhojoawhat does backupmenu do really?11:50
RobbieThe1stProvides a "rescue" menu, with options to backup and restore filesystem images11:51
RobbieThe1stYea. Mind you, you'd probably be best off using the new version located here:
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RobbieThe1ster, better link would be here:
ebzzryHmm, does it require the system to be down?11:53
nocturnalso this new PR1.3, does it let me dual boot meego and how do i dual boot? because i've already installed the meego file system on my micro-sd and i've also booted it once by flashing the 1.1 kernel image. but do i still need u-boot to dual boot it if i'm using PR1.3?11:53
ebzzryHow does it fare compared to bootmenu + ssh patch11:54
RobbieThe1sterm... essentially the same thing, just no need for a seperate computer11:54
RobbieThe1stIt uses bootmenu also, but then chroots into a ramdisk - the optfs and rootfs can then be safely coped and restored11:55
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nocturnal+  * Fixes: NB#170888 - Dual boot in kernel for enabling MeeGo11:55
nocturnalbut how do you use it?11:55
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alteregolook it up11:56
ShadowJKthe MeeGo team haven't finished code and intructions for it yet I think11:56
* RST38h moos11:56
RST38hMoorning, ShadowJK11:56
nocturnalwell there is this11:57
RST38hAnything new and exciting lately?11:57
nocturnali've seen it before11:57
nocturnalbut i had no idea what kexec was11:57
nocturnalpretty awesome tool11:57
RST38hnocturnal: this is reported to not quite work yet11:57
Noobmonk3yRST38h: cow's Moo... found it out this morning11:57
RST38hnocturnal: I.e. it boots into meego but then hangs (source: javispedro)11:57
nocturnalRST38h: don't matter, i have my n900 just to play with and dev11:57
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nocturnalRST38h: but one of the fixes in 1.3 was dual booting11:58
nocturnaldo they mean kexec or something else?11:58
nocturnal+  * Fixes: NB#170888 - Dual boot in kernel for enabling MeeGo11:58
Noobmonk3ynocturnal: not working yet though11:58
nocturnalwtf, then why list it as a fix for the new firmware?11:58
RST38hnocturnal: yes, so after PR1.3 it does not hang right away, it hangs after a short while11:58
Noobmonk3yit will work with 1.3 when they fix it ;)11:58
Noobmonk3ythey fixed one side of it :011:58
nocturnalwell thanks11:58
Noobmonk3yshouldnt be too long :011:58
RST38hThat is alpha software for you11:58
Noobmonk3yRST38h: that's open source for ya ;)11:59
nocturnalbut kexec was still interesting, never heard of anything like that on bsd.11:59
Noobmonk3yor as open as we get anyway11:59
RST38hThat too, but less so11:59
RST38hMeego people are paid to work on Meego11:59
ShadowJKnocturnal, kexec in maemo is fixed. MeeGo isn't setup to be able to use it yet though11:59
nocturnalok cool11:59
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korhojoa-"It's fixed!" -"What's fixed?" -"Well, now it doesn't hang immediately!" -"Still hangs after 30 seconds..." -"Well, that's not part of the bug..."12:00
nocturnalmaybe it wasn't a priority yet12:01
nocturnalsince the n900 is only used for early meego development and so far it works to boot12:01
Noobmonk3ybingo ;)12:01
ShadowJKsounds like meego isn't paying enough attention to watchdogs :)12:01
Noobmonk3ythose darn dogs12:02
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Noobmonk3yanyone in the mood to answer a stupid qt question for me pls?12:02
alteregoNoobmonk3y: fire away12:02
Noobmonk3y(relates to someone else's code that i'm trying to get working!)12:02
korhojoasolution: r&d mode - disable watchdogs12:03
nocturnallol should have just read one line up in the bugfixes +kernel (2.6.28-20102204) unstable; urgency=low12:03
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ebzzryRobbieThe1st: You said not another computer is needed. What did you mean by that?12:03
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ebzzryRobbieThe1st: I'll just try it out to see.12:10
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RobbieThe1stactually, just wait12:12
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RobbieThe1stI just uploaded it to the autobuilder queue, the new package should be availaible in a few minutes in extras-devel12:13
RobbieThe1stIt'll be v0.48 of "backupmenu"12:13
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RobbieThe1stOops, I guess it wanted comma-separated dependencies... Reuploaded.12:19
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sjkis there a way of locking the special shift key that gives you numbers and #+* etc?12:23
RobbieThe1stpress it twice?12:23
sjklike if you have to type a lot of numbers12:23
sjkthanks RobbieThe1st12:24
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sjkhmm... sometimes i cannot tap the things on my homescreen. is that a bug? like i cant tap the recorder program12:27
sjkit's a little red square that is supposed to record stuff (telephone calls etc) but nothing happens12:28
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sjkis that a bug or have i just missed something12:28
jacekowskimeego released12:30
RobbieThe1stI -assume- it probably means that, for whatever reason, it didn't launch12:30
RobbieThe1stso, possibly a bug in that bit of software12:30
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ebzzryRobbieThe1st: So from -devel?12:30
sjkRobbieThe1st, when i click the settings "wheel" i can move the icon around, but i cannot go into its settings12:31
RobbieThe1stsjk: you mean where you can click the "x" to delete that icon?12:32
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ebzzryWhich reminds me to make a list of apps that I should exclusively snag from -devel =)12:32
RobbieThe1stebzzry: As you can see from that, it's in the process of getting updated. It got built, but hasn't fully made it into extras-devel yet12:32
sjkactually all applications on that desktop seem to be frozen - .my uptime widget says the uptime is 52 minutes eventho it's been on all night12:33
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sjkRobbieThe1st, yeah, that's the one12:33
RobbieThe1stYou need to exit from that then12:33
RobbieThe1stbecause that's just "organize" mode12:33
RobbieThe1stIf you've been in that mode all night... No wonder it hasn't updated12:34
sjkim not in the mode where i can enter the settings12:34
ebzzryBy the way, how do I flash an eMMC image?12:34
sjkit just looks like that desktop has frozen12:35
RobbieThe1stsjk: are there white/black X's in the upper-right corner of each icon?12:35
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ShadowJKmone are yellow12:36
RobbieThe1stebzzry: the eMMC image is only needed if you -royally- screw things up. It contains both an empty optfs partition, and the Mydocs partition12:36
RobbieThe1stsjk: Hm...12:36
sjkactually, i've got the same problem when i slide to the other desktops as well12:36
sjki can't click anything12:36
sjki get the click sound, but nothing happens12:37
RobbieThe1stebzzry: The N900's made up of three partitions: the rootfs, which is built into the CPU chip(256m). The optfs, which also has your configuration(icon placement etc) and most of 3rd-party programs.12:37
ebzzryYeah, I mentioned it earlier. I have been advised to do so. =)12:37
RobbieThe1stThird is the MyDocs, which is ~27GB and is your "data" area12:38
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RobbieThe1stsjk: I'd reboot12:38
ebzzryIs the command still: flasher-3.5 -f -F image.bin12:38
RobbieThe1stsomething may have crashed12:38
RobbieThe1stebzzry: Yes, it is. But, you have to 1. flash PR1.3, 2. flash the emmc, and 3. reboot it12:38
RobbieThe1st-no- reboot between flashing pr1.3 and the emmc, or it won't boot12:39
ShadowJKsjk: you don't get a icon of round gear sliding out when you tap desktop background either?12:39
ebzzrykerio: How do I flash the eMMC?12:39
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RobbieThe1stebzzry: like I said, it's still the same flasher command12:40
keriowhy are you asking me12:40
ebzzrySorry, I didn't see what RobbieThe1st said. =(12:40
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sjkShadowJK, i do12:41
BCMMif you happen to not want to use amazon-installer and stuff, can one remove maemo-installer-utils?12:41
sjkI guess I'll just give it a reboot12:43
RST38hManchester's Self-Described 'Internet Troll' Jailed For Offensive Web Posts12:43
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RobbieThe1st"apt-get remove maemo-installer-utils --purge"12:43
RobbieThe1stsee what else it removes12:43
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BCMMRobbieThe1st: thanks (i'm sorta unfamiliar with Debian)12:47
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RobbieThe1stNote, you -do- need to do that as root..12:48
andyph666anyone here got neopwn to install?12:48
andyph666my device decided to reboot.. and now it says not enough space to extract when I extract it to /.neopwn12:49
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ebzzrykerio: I did what you advised me to do, i.e., 1) flash PR 1.3, and 2) flash emmc, but I'm still stuck at the screen with six circles12:52
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RobbieThe1stok, eb, lets see12:52
alteregoebzzry: first time takes quite a while to bboot12:52
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ebzzryIt works now!12:52
alteregoAn annoyingly long time that makes you think it's broken, try and be a bit more patient.12:52
ebzzryThanks for the advice guys.12:53
BCMMRobbieThe1st: heh, i'm new to debian, not linux :)12:53
ebzzryYes, Robbie. I'll use BackupMenu and send you donations. =)12:53
RobbieThe1st:P. BCMM: Fair enough, just had to make sure12:53
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alteregoI noticed PR1.3 seemed to have a slightly longer first startup than I remembered from previous versions.12:54
alteregoThought my device was dead when I first flashed it :/12:54
RobbieThe1stY'know, I wish they'd used a framebuffer kernel by default - or at least provided detailed error messages when something goes wrong a "dots-reboot-loop" isn't exactly helpful12:54
alteregoBut I left it for a while and it started up fine eventually.12:54
RobbieThe1stalterego: Yea, same. I thought it was just mine, but apparently it's normal12:55
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ShadowJKfirst startup since 1.2 takes ages. It moves alot of stuff from rootfs to /opt12:55
RobbieThe1stbtw: <- flash that as a kernel (-k) and you get a framebuffer, and lots of thereputic text on startup12:56
D-manHi guys. Why do my alias shortcuts get deleted after I exit xterm?12:56
sjkit seems to freeze when i try to use the recording widget while talking on the phone12:56
alteregosjk: because the shell stops running when you close xterm12:57
alteregoYou need to add them to your ~/.profile12:57
sjkD-man, add the aliases to your shell rc12:57
sjkalterego, wrong guy :)12:57
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alteregoOh sorry ;)12:57
alteregoD-man: add your alias lines to ~/.profile12:58
alteregoYou'll need to create the file and test it before you restart the device because if you screw it up you wont be able to boot the device again12:58
alteregoAnd you'll need to reflash both root and emmc, or boot meego and fix it12:59
RobbieThe1stBefore doing that - enable extras-devel and install backupmenu. Reboot with keyboard open and make a backup12:59
RobbieThe1stThen, you will be able to restore it if it doesn't boot12:59
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sjkwhat, a dot profile can ruin maemo?13:01
RobbieThe1stMaemo is -very- picky about a lot of things13:01
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RobbieThe1stAnd they don't even have the courtesy to drop you to a root console when things don't work out13:01
sjkis switching shells a bad idea?13:02
alteregosjk: not if it works ;)13:02
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RobbieThe1stFour words: make a backup first!13:02
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RobbieThe1stMany people have bricked their systems messing with such things13:02
RobbieThe1st(including myself) - There's a -reason- I developed BackupMenu13:03
sjklike, switch to zsh? i am guessing that maemo would still use the original shell with its .profile13:03
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ShadowJKsjk, I wouldn't risk it personally :)13:03
ShadowJKor then I'd just type zsh after opening xterm13:04
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D-manOh well... thanks for that, i didn't realize that it's so dangerous.13:04
RobbieThe1stWhat I've found is that messing with a lot of lower-level stuff is "dangerous". You just need to make a backup first, and restore it if things go wrong. So it takes 10 minutes to restore... so what?13:05
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iliussjk: do you want to change default shell of user?13:06
sjkHmm. Why does the shell mean so much to maemo?13:06
alteregoBecause all the startup scripts are written to use it :P13:06
alteregoBasically, hildon-desktop gets started as user I believe13:06
alteregoSo if your environment is broken, it wont start.13:06
iliussjk: i changed it to bash, and when I open terminal, its bash :P13:06
ShadowJKMany of the scripts only work with busybox ash :/13:07
sjkalterego: but i would assume that the startup scripts would use the full path to ash13:07
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iliussjk: usermod -s /bin/zsh user13:07
alteregosjk: /bin/sh actually I would guess13:07
alteregoAs long as bash doesn't override that symlink, all should be well (I'd hope)13:08
iliusjust change the user's shell13:08
alteregoBut obviously, we don't really know for sure. I might test some of this crap when I setup the maemo emulator.13:08
sjkso what difference would it make if the user changed the default shell to something else13:08
sjkhmmm :)13:08
alteregoAnyway, I gotta go now. Talk to you all later.13:09
sjkalterego, interesting!13:09
sjksee you around alterego13:09
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sjkilius, i dont know if i dare to, i got a bit scared :)13:10
celestehhello, my n900 is in a reboot loop and i think i need to relfash the device.  When I go to download a binary, there's many options.  Which one do I need?  I bought my n900 in the US13:10
iliussjk: i did it, no danger13:10
RobbieThe1stOne, get the PR1.3 image13:10
RobbieThe1stTwo, get the US one13:10
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RobbieThe1stnote, all images will work on all devices - but the US one's probably better for you as some of the others are "restricted" in one way or another13:11
sjkanyone using recaller when on the phone?13:11
celestehwhat's the FIASCO image?13:11
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alteregoOr the global image.13:12
celestehthanks RobbieThe1st13:12
celestehI'm in the UK, if that matters13:13
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RobbieThe1sthm... what is the difference between us and global images, anyway?13:13
ShadowJKprobably nothing13:14
ebzzryIs there a way to enable -devel, but packages will, by default, come from -testing? pinning?13:14
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ShadowJKmaybe it boots up with en_US as default language13:15
RobbieThe1stebzzry: Eh, don't worry so much. I've got extras-devel enabled, and haven't had any issues - heck, most of the software packages aren't in -either-, so...13:15
* ShadowJK just has extras-testing and extras-devel disabled all the time until needing something from one of them, then enabling them for a short while only13:15
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celestehso do i need to flash both the US image and the eMMC, or is there a chance i can get away with just doing the Us image?13:17
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ShadowJKyes there's a chance13:18
ShadowJKif just us image fails to boot, then redo flashing both of them13:19
ShadowJKand pay attention to that when you flash both you must not reboot in between them13:19
celestehwhat causes the reboot loop?  Is it a corrupted file or something wrong with the kernel?13:20
celestehI just did an upgrade via the application manager a few days ago13:20
jacekowskicelesteh: low battery13:20
jacekowskicelesteh: corrupted files13:20
jacekowskicelesteh: many options13:21
RobbieThe1stcelesteh: want to know exactly?13:22
RobbieThe1stcelesteh: download this: and flash it using the nokia flasher with the -k option13:23
RobbieThe1stboot it and see what happens - you'll see a bunch of text, and (hopefully) some sort of error13:23
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ebzzryDoes the Restore command of the Backup app restore application catalogs?13:40
BluesLeeebzzry: check it yourself, do a backup and have a look in the archive13:42
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ShadowJKit did restore them for me13:45
ebzzryShadowJK: Sweet. Thanks.13:46
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Noobmonk3yebzzry: good to see the emmc flash worked ;)13:55
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eranithe reaction speed of proximity sensor is quite slow imo :S13:58
celestehthx RobbueThe1st13:58
celestehwondering what the difference is between a warm flash and a cold flash?13:58
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eraniwhen I want to end a phone call and I take the phone off my ear, I have to wait quite long before I can press the ending button14:00
ebzzryNoobmonk3y: Ya. Thanks for the assistance.14:01
Noobmonk3ylol i'm more a porter to #maemo, no knowledge here, just a sign post ;)14:02
ebzzrycelesteh: Same here14:02
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Noobmonk3yerani: there are some things to help that, i find the black plastic theme and swappolube have helped alot14:03
* MohammadAG51 throws a bricked N900 at Noobmonk3y 14:04
ebzzryBy the way, does anybody know the location of the official ChangeLog for PR 1.3? =)14:04
* Noobmonk3y catches is and gives it to oxfam14:04
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Noobmonk3ymorning MohammadAG5114:04
Noobmonk3yebzzry: comedian, official and changelog in the same sentence? ;)14:04
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Noobmonk3yyou can try the users ones -
ebzzryI want to show my dad the list of changes, since he did a PR 1.3 upgrade OTA seamlessly. I envy him. =)14:05
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* MohammadAG51 looks at cracking metal on N90014:05
Noobmonk3ywelcome lcuky14:05
ShadowJKthe official changelog is two lines long14:05
ebzzryShadowJK: So uncool. :|14:06
Noobmonk3yShadowJK: the start /n the end?14:06
MohammadAG51- WONFIX14:06
MohammadAG51- WONTGIVEAFUCK14:06
Noobmonk3ylol mo14:06
ebzzryMohammadAG51: LOL14:06
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ShadowJK"Performance improvements and bug fixes", "OVI Suite support"14:07
ebzzryShadowJK: =(14:07
ShadowJKAmusingly the page tells me to install latest flash player to check if I can update N90014:07
lcukMohammadAG51, since you have the SSU firmly in your hands, choose a WONTFIX and turn it into a COMMUNITYFIX14:08
lcukhiya Noobmonk3y \o14:08
MohammadAG51lcuk, bug 1061314:09
povbotBug screen glitches on incoming call14:09
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* Noobmonk3y shudders at the thought of MohammadAG51 caressing a SSU14:09
MohammadAG51idk why it happens in 1.3, but the new hd in the ssu fixes it14:09
Noobmonk3yMoh - if i add your SSU, will it brick my device? lol14:10
celestehthe flasher tells me I have hardware revision 2101, but that number is not actually anywhere in the string of numbers on the back of my phone.  The large 4 digit number on the right is 043414:10
lcukonly for now14:10
MohammadAG51Noobmonk3y, it's not yet official, but it works14:10
* MohammadAG51 needs to figure out how to call a terminal window from postinst, and exit postinst14:10
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ebzzryIs Meego promising on the N900?14:10
MohammadAG51tried nohup, works with dpkg, not with apt14:11
Noobmonk3yebzzry: as a developer tool, i spose, not a consumer end product, but the community will most likely sort it properly14:11
* MohammadAG51 hates RPM14:11
lcukebzzry, the n900 is the OSS handset reference platform and how polished and usable it is depends on us14:11
* MohammadAG51 hides14:11
ebzzryHmm. Nice insight.14:11
Noobmonk3ylcuk: by 'us' you mean the clever elves.........14:12
lcuk:D you have been watching ben and holly too!14:12
Noobmonk3ynot literally you, me and Mo, that would be wrong ;)14:12
celestehoh f*ck, i completely buggered this14:12
* Noobmonk3y has no idea what bacon/drugs lcuk is on!14:12
ebzzryI'm interested in contributing. What are the languages that Maemo 5 uses? C? C++? Python?14:12
Noobmonk3yebzzry: all of the above14:12
Noobmonk3ymost likely c++/qt14:13
ebzzryNoobmonk3y: Exclusive or there are more?14:13
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MohammadAG51more i think14:13
lcuk    Ben & Holly's Little Kingdom - Betty Caterpillar14:13
MohammadAG51ruby works afaik14:13
Noobmonk3ymore that we can use, that memo5 was developed with, i dont know14:13
lcukNoobmonk3y, watch first 30 seconds14:13
lcuktracy keeps calling me the wise old elf!14:13
lcukcos he has a beard14:13
Noobmonk3yMohammadAG51: = princess holly!14:14
celestehi thought it might be interesting to use the flasher to turn on rd-mode, to see if that helped with my reboot loop. But now, whenever the batter is in, it turns itself on and then gets stuck in the loop.  so i can't flash it because i can't get it in usb mode.14:14
lcuklololol Noobmonk3y14:14
Noobmonk3ytis true though, you can't deny it14:14
MohammadAG51LOL just found out music player was still playing on volume 014:15
MohammadAG51supposedly, last time i used it was 5 hours ago14:15
ebzzrySorry to bring this topic, but is H-E-N there already?14:15
MohammadAG51explains the battery14:15
MohammadAG51ebzzry, no, but there is progress by PaulFertser14:15
ebzzryMohammadAG51: Do you know where can I get more information regarding Paul's work?14:16
MohammadAG51nothing for public consumption yet :P14:16
PaulFertserebzzry: in fact you can14:16
PaulFertserebzzry: in the paul-experimental branch of h-e-n git.14:17
ebzzryPaulFertser: Are we piggybacking on H-E-N or we are starting from scratch?14:17
ebzzryPaulFertser: OK14:17
PaulFertserebzzry: just take a look at the patch :)14:17
ebzzryPaulFertser: OK. I will.14:17
lcukebzzry, if you are interested and can give technical assistance, hide out in the sekrit hen channel :P14:18
ebzzryPaulFertser: Are you ahead of the master branch?14:18
ebzzrylcuk: hehe =p14:18
PaulFertserebzzry: there's no master branch.14:19
lcukeek 2155 bookmarks in firefox14:20
MohammadAG51lcuk, sure that isn't your history? lol14:20
lcukMohammadAG51, positive, thats all bookmarks which include /14:20
ebzzryHmm, will donating to the hen project help?14:20
lcuk:D they go back to when I installed firefox14:21
lcuk4th january 200614:21
MohammadAG51ebzzry, though i'll leave the answer to DocScrutinizer or PaulFertser, I think we're more interested in patches rather than money :P14:21
lcukon this machine at least14:21
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PaulFertserebzzry: donating enjoyment of life would help, yes.14:22
Noobmonk3yPaulFertser: you could buy an iphone with the donations ;)14:23
* Noobmonk3y goes back to his hole14:23
ebzzryPaulFertser: Inspiring words.14:23
* MohammadAG51 slaps Noobmonk3y 14:23
ebzzryBuy an iPhone to throw at fellow devs? =)14:23
dreameroh dear, I did an apt-get autoremove and got: E: Internal Erro, AutoRemover broke stuff14:24
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BCMMebzzry: no, he can test HEN by USB tethering the n900 to the iphone, so we can finally experience proper signal loss on maemo14:28
lcukdreamer, file a bug against apt - spelling mistakes shouldnt be there :S14:28
lcukwhat else did it try to remove and just what have you done to your system14:28
Noobmonk3ylol lcuk14:29
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dreamerlcuk: heh, I'm just typing it from my screen ;)14:29
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keriothis is not #apple, we have copypaste14:31
MohammadAG51kerio, they have copy and paste since 3.0 you know :P14:31
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MohammadAG51N8 incoming :)14:32
dreamercopy/paste from n900 to my laptop is not 'that' easy (no, I don't have sshd atm :P)14:32
MohammadAG51dreamer, pastebinit14:32
MohammadAG51fixed the package14:32
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dreamerand how do I file a bug against apt? which 'product' is it a part of?14:33
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MohammadAG51apt itself14:33
dreamerMohammadAG51: yesyes, trying to copy/past from terminal to webkit thingy ..14:33
dreamerMohammadAG51: not in bugzilla as such14:33
MohammadAG51dreamer, no, "pastebinit" is a package14:33
dreamer << where is it?14:33
MohammadAG51you pipe a command through it, and it gets pastebinned14:34
dreamerMohammadAG51: orly? kewl14:34
MohammadAG51you get a link14:34
dreamerI realize, I've seen 'embedded' pastebin on other systems, didn't know there was a particular package as such for maemo14:35
dreamerMohammadAG51: 'E: Couldn't find package pastebinit'14:35
MohammadAG51dreamer, devel14:35
dreamerah, don't have it enabled14:36
MohammadAG51and testing?14:36
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dreamerMohammadAG51: yes, I have extras-testing14:37
MohammadAG51i'll send it there today then14:37
SpeedEvilpastebinit never worked for me14:38
dreamerhmm, no shift+insert on the cli is annoying sometimes14:38
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MohammadAG51SpeedEvil, upgrade the package14:39
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dreamerbut, I still can't find package apt in bugzilla (tbh, the bugzilla interface does not seem very userfriendly ..)14:42
MohammadAG51apt isn't maemo specific14:42
dreamerah, in that sense14:43
dreamerI thought on the apt packaged in maemo .. but this bugreport should go straight to the apt devs?14:43
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MohammadAG51probably yes14:45
* MohammadAG51 pokes lcuk14:45
MohammadAG51hey hrw14:46
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MohammadAG51hmm, someone's looking into porting dalvik for maemo?14:46
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hrwMohammadAG51: what for?14:47
MohammadAG51android apps on the N90014:47
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hrwrun nitroid?14:49
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dreamerMohammadAG51: where's the apt bugzilla then? -_- (really can't locate it ..)14:50
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MohammadAG51hrw, that requires reboots, and i hate android14:53
hrwMohammadAG51: but you want dalvik which is android...14:54
hrwam I only one who see it strange?14:54
MohammadAG51hrw, did I say that?14:54
MohammadAG51hrw, I'm just saying someone started porting it14:54
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TermanaMohammadAG51, why on earth would you want an N8?15:11
jacekowskiMohammadAG51: i looked into it15:12
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jacekowskiMohammadAG51: nothing very hard to do if you want to go android chroot way15:12
MohammadAG51Termana, it's not for me15:12
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG51: YOU'RE MAD??? I'm interested in MONEY, nothing else!!15:13
Noobmonk3yDocScrutinizer: and sugar :)15:14
Noobmonk3yand bacon15:14
Noobmonk3yand trouts15:14
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Noobmonk3yand... and and.......15:14
DocScrutinizerif it's large amounts in my caffee latte then yes15:14
TermanaMohammadAG51, who are you getting it for?15:14
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Noobmonk3yTermana: MohammadAG51 is getting it for his alterego MohammadAG15:14
Noobmonk3ysoon to be MohammadAGN815:14
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TermanaFunny. But who's it really going to and what did they do to deserve being treated like such crap?15:16
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MohammadAG51Termana, either one of my parents15:22
MohammadAG51they like symbian, it's easy to use for them15:22
MohammadAG51DocScrutinizer, too late, muhahaha15:23
* Xhinde burns some children15:24
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MohammadAG51anyone got an N8? need a pic of the otg adapter15:29
Noobmonk3ylol Mo15:30
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* Xhinde drools15:38
TermanaNoobmonk3y, since when did you turn into a VCR?15:39
Noobmonk3yabout 30 years ago, was pre-emptive genius at the time15:39
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TermanaI guess you didn't anticipate the DVD15:39
TermanaNow you'll be thrown in the trash in no time15:40
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DocScrutinizerkerio: AND EEEEEEEEEGS15:42
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keriono, no egs15:45
keriojust bacon15:45
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ozziMorning all.15:55
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ozziHas anyone of you been able to connect n900 in an infrastructure mode with Ubuntu ?15:56
joga(am I the only one who finds the term "infrastructure mode" repulsive?)15:56
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ozziUr not alone.15:57
ozzimy n900 is also in that club apparently.15:57
x03   /j security15:57
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dreameranyone know how to resolve the gpg issue with ?16:03
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Noobmonk3yhmm in qt i use qfile to open a file like this - QFile file6("/sys/class/mmc_host/mmc0/cover_switch");, but what do i do if i want to open the results from dpkg etc?16:09
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Noobmonk3yalterego: any ideas? (Ie, reading output from terminal commands in qt?)16:16
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lcukNoobmonk3y, you mean the qt equivilent of popen("someshellcmd"); ?16:16
Noobmonk3yyup :)16:17
Noobmonk3ylcuk, thank god you can translate noobisms!16:17
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thpis there an existing API for setting the empty text (i.e. "No conversations") in a GtkTreeView?16:17
Noobmonk3ymornin thp :)16:18
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lcuk\o thp, not sure16:18
thpbut you know what i mean, right? ;)16:19
KaadlajkNoobmonk3y: use QProcess and readyReadStandardOutput() readAllStandardOutput ()16:19
lcuki do indeed16:19
Noobmonk3yhehe just readin gup on QProcess :) :)16:19
Noobmonk3ythank you v much16:19
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thpwell, then i'll just dig into the code of some official apps and see if something's available there :p16:21
lcukthp i am trying to think which apps implement it also16:22
lcuki believe i filed bugs that layouts were unaligned in those16:22
lcukwhich makes me think they are just labels16:22
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thplcuk: just checked in HAM source.. they're using a label, too :)16:28
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Noobmonk3yKaadlajk: does this look right?
MohammadAGNoobmonk3y, there's an easier way16:35
Noobmonk3yMohammadAG: there is always an easier way lol :P - fancy explaining?16:35
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MohammadAGNoobmonk3y, basename /var/lib/dpkg/info/mp-fremantle-*.list .list16:36
Noobmonk3yis that a file?16:36
MohammadAGinstead of all the weird grep stuff16:36
Noobmonk3yoh no a command16:36
Noobmonk3yok, but i still need the qprocess16:36
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MohammadAGNoobmonk3y, true, but it's faster than using dpkg -l16:36
MohammadAGdpkg -l reads all files in /var/lib/dpkg/info and it reads /var/lib/dpkg/status16:37
Noobmonk3ycool - still need to confirm what i have done is right though16:37
Noobmonk3yas it's not reading yet16:37
MohammadAGlooks right to me, run it16:37
* Noobmonk3y is running the new one16:37
MohammadAG#include <QProcess> (maybe you missed it?)16:37
Noobmonk3yhmm nothing16:37
MohammadAG#include <QIODevice>16:37
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Noobmonk3ylol had both :P16:38
KaadlajkNoobmonk3y: if you do it like that you might not get all the output16:39
Kaadlajkhavent actually never used it like that16:39
Noobmonk3yhave changed the command to Mo's one16:39
Noobmonk3ybut still nothing coming out16:39
* Noobmonk3y is just gonna test that command and see what i get first lol16:39
Noobmonk3yMo, that doesnt read the version number out though16:41
Noobmonk3yi just get generic-pr16:41
ruskiehmm t.m.o keeps returning: The server is too busy at the moment. Please try again later16:43
Noobmonk3yruskie - the noobs are attacking tmo in revolt.........16:44
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Noobmonk3yor just it's busy, and come back later ;)16:44
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Noobmonk3yMohammadAG: meh16:47
MohammadAGNoobmonk3y, oh16:48
MohammadAGNoobmonk3y, I thought you didn't want version number lol16:48
Noobmonk3yi'm trying to get the version ;) - actually do want both though :016:48
MohammadAGNokia-N900:~# osso-product-info | grep OSSO_PRODUCT_RELEASE_VERSION16:48
Noobmonk3yi still need to use qprocess i assume16:49
Noobmonk3ybut thats what i want!16:49
MohammadAGeven better16:50
MohammadAGNokia-N900:~# osso-product-info | grep OSSO_PRODUCT_RELEASE_VERSION | sed 's/OSSO_PRODUCT_RELEASE_VERSION='//g'' | sed "s/'//g"16:50
MohammadAGdsg, replaced the kernel16:51
dsgah, yes.16:51
MohammadAGbtw Noobmonk3y16:51
MohammadAGyou might want to use dpkg -l after all16:51
MohammadAGand don't name them PR1.1/2/3 (or at least don't hardcode them)16:52
Noobmonk3yok back to dpkg16:52
MohammadAGhealthcheck atm crashes with a different version number16:52
MohammadAGand that won't be uncommon after the SSU's out16:52
MohammadAGjust a hint, the metapackages will be uninstalled when you enable the SSU16:52
MohammadAGand a community package (mp-fremantle-community-pr) will be installed16:52
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Noobmonk3yoh ffs16:54
MohammadAGat git geeks, how do I clone a specific branch?16:54
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Noobmonk3yMohammadAG: that still doesnt explain the qprocess bit not returning the dpkg16:54
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MohammadAGwhere's the paste again?16:56
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lardman|homewhat's up with bloody TMO?17:01
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lardman|homepardon my French17:01
Noobmonk3ylardman|home: your french is perfect :)17:02
lardman|homemerci bien!17:02
Noobmonk3yand tmo isn't17:02
Noobmonk3ytmo is revolting, in more ways then one ;)17:02
lardman|homeIt chopped off an attachment and now I can't even get back to the site to edit the post or upload a link17:02
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MohammadAGNoobmonk3y, included <QIODevice>?17:04
lcukNoobmonk3y, doesyour qt code look as good as your py code? :p17:06
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Noobmonk3ylcuk: sexier ;) lol17:06
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MohammadAGwhy the fuck is tmo still slow17:09
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jacktheripperis libgles available for scratchbox ?17:16
jacktheripperI'm not able to build hildon-desktop because of this.17:16
MohammadAGii  libgles2-sgx-img-dev                 0.20100611.6+0m5                     OpenGL ES 2.0 SGX development files17:16
MohammadAGapt-get install nokia-binaries17:17
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jacktherippercould you cat your /etc/apt/sources.list please ?17:17
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jacktheripperI can't find either packages17:17
MohammadAGno, I can't cat it, but...17:18
MohammadAG jacekowski17:18
MohammadAGjacktheripper, ^17:18
MohammadAGsorry jacekowski17:18
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* Noobmonk3y meh's17:21
Noobmonk3ydarn qprocess17:21
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jacktheripperMohammadAG, that solved it, thanks. I thought I did the nokia-binaries thing before :/17:24
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Noobmonk3ymeh meh17:34
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cehtehmhm ... will an upgrade to 1.3 via fapman be risky?17:35
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ruskieif you remove all the various extra repos and only leave the main nokia ones it seems to be safe to do it even with apt-get17:37
DocScrutinizercehteh: yes17:37
ruskieatleast I did it that way17:38
lcukcehteh, any upgrade of any system even with the entire might of the Earthforce military at your disposal is risky.  backup before you start :)17:38
cehtehhehe yes backup for sure17:38
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cehtehwell and i need ext4 .. is the community kernel ready for 1.3?17:39
ruskieno clue... I rolled my own since I finally wanted fbcon again... and also pptp(which now just need to figure out how to do the routing effectively)17:40
MohammadAGcehteh, you'll reverse changes done to the kernel17:40
ruskiethough did no reverse patching17:40
MohammadAGkernel-power is based off 1.2's kernel17:40
MohammadAGtmo's dead lol17:40
cehtehyeah .. no 1.3 based power kernel yet?17:40
cehtehmhm where there any vital kernel enhancements in 1.3?17:41
GAN900Stupid piece of shit17:41
MohammadAGyes, IO changes17:41
ruskieGAN900, what is?17:41
GAN900I start recording the crazy guy ranting at my coworker about how evolution's a lie17:41
GAN900Switch away from the camera app to keep my cover17:42
GAN900and it stops recording. . . .17:42
ruskieI thought that was normal17:42
GAN900Not a feature I care for.17:42
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ruskiedid you want to video him or just voice record him?17:42
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ruskiethere are apps there for voice recording17:43
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MohammadAGhe probably knows17:43
cehtehmhm i guess i wait a bit more with the 1.3 upgrade17:43
* MohammadAG ponders upgrading kernel-power17:43
* ruskie ponders packaging his kernel up...17:44
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ruskiealong with uboot17:44
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, I still don't get how maemo's git works17:44
ruskiestill need to craft an initrd and flash that on it someplace17:44
MohammadAGso fucked up compared to github/gitorious17:45
ruskieMohammadAG, what's the issue?17:45
MohammadAGI want to fetch a certain branch17:45
MohammadAGfrom a repository17:45
ruskiecare for an example?17:46
ruskienote git can't pull specific branches out of repos17:46
ruskieyou need to clone the branch then checkout to the branch17:47
ruskieerm clone the repo and then checkout the branch17:47
crashanddieI think MohammadAG doesn't understand git as a whole17:47
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ruskieI believe the way github and such do it is by having each branch be it's own repo17:48
MohammadAGcrashanddie, I know how to push commits, that's about it :P17:48
MohammadAGit's annoying how there's no progress bar17:48
ruskieprogress bar??17:49
MohammadAGsomething to show status17:49
lcukcareometer [|----------------]17:49
ruskieMohammadAG, erm... for what? cloning?17:49
ruskielast I checked it was outputting how much it already pulled17:49
lcukit does normally17:50
ruskietends to be rather quick17:50
ruskieeven with huge repos17:50
lcukdepends on the repo17:50
MohammadAGslapometer [|---------------->]17:50
lcukpulling entire git repo for something heavily used is tortuous17:50
ebzzryruskie: thanks for providing non-SSL access to your repo17:50
MohammadAGeven with --progress and -v17:50
ruskieebzzry, well you were the first to be bothered about it17:50
ruskiehaven't gotten a single person complaining about it yet17:50
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lcuktroutometer [><{{{*>------------]17:51
ebzzryruskie: my associates, by the way, experienced it too. =)17:51
ruskieinterestingmeter [-----------]17:51
ruskieebzzry, well had no issue on the n90017:51
ebzzryruskie: Anyway, it's good to see Zsh on your repo. =)17:52
lcukMohammadAG, which repo are you cloning thats not giving feedback of progress?17:52
MohammadAGhen's repo on
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ruskiefatal: not found: did you run git update-server-info on the server?17:53
crashanddiethat repo is fucked up17:54
MohammadAGand slow17:55
GAN900ruskie, yeah, sadly no voice recorders installed at the moment.17:55
wazdguys, I'm participating in "the most n00bish question 2010" contest17:55
wazdhow can I make wget to work on n900? :)17:55
* alterego burps17:56
wazdah, nm17:56
alteregoSorting out meh costume.17:56
wazdI guess I've already found it17:56
MohammadAGapt-get install wget17:56
wazdMohammadAG: yeah, thanks :)17:56
wazdwish me luck in winning! :D17:57
DocScrutinizerwget --no-check-certificate  -O libvte4_0.16.14-0mh9.m5_armel.deb17:57
wazdbtw, anyone got any explaination why the conference was cancelled?17:57
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alteregoWhat conference?17:58
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wazdalterego: Meego one18:01
GAN900wazd, was it cancelled?18:01
GAN900Is that how they declined peoples' sponsorship requests? :P18:01
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jannauwazd: what makes you think it was cancelled?
wazdGAN900: damn, it's pretty tough to scare people via IRC :D18:01
alteregowazd: it's not cancelled ..18:01
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ZogGwazd you are scaring me18:03
wazdZogG: good :D18:03
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GAN900Who's getting in Sunday morning?18:04
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wellefIve got some problem with the autobuilder and, as far as I can see, Jeremiah isnt online.. Could anyone be kind helping me, please?18:39
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MohammadAGwhat's the problem?18:40
CharmingPrinceEnter text here...hi there18:41
CharmingPrinceany girl want chat18:41
wellefEarlier today I uploaded my package (savepress) to extras-devel. Ive now tried upload a update but it fails and I cant figure out whats failing...18:41
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luke-jrCharmingPrince: girls don't use IRC18:42
MohammadAGluke-jr, lies18:42
luke-jrMohammadAG: no u18:42
CharmingPrinceha ha ha18:42
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MohammadAGwellef, can you try to upload the same package again?18:43
MohammadAGwellef, found it18:44
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MohammadAGwellef, you can't have line breaks in debian/control:Description18:44
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer51, wait18:44
MohammadAGCharmingPrince, what's 10+1?18:44
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wellefMohammadAG, aah. Is there a walkaround?18:45
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MohammadAGwellef, yes, replace the line break with a .18:45
CharmingPrince101 lol18:45
MohammadAG with the right side lock-key.18:46
MohammadAG .18:46
MohammadAG Features (all configable):18:46
MohammadAGwellef, like that ^?18:46
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wellefMohammadAG, thank you very much :)18:46
MohammadAGerr, ignore the "?"18:46
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer51, he/she/it left18:46
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DocScrutinizer51did a /whois ?18:47
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MohammadAG* [CharmingPrince] (~CharmingP@ CharmingPrince18:47
MohammadAG/whowas ftw :P18:47
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zapAnybody knows where I can see minimal docs on /etc/powervr.ini ?18:55
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lardman|home any ideas chaps?19:04
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lardman|homedoh!, seen it myself buried in the errors19:06
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* lardman|home wonders if the autobuilder is getting tired of trying to build this plugin... :)19:08
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RST38hheya lardman, all19:16
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wellefMohammadAG, still didnt work..19:16
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lardman|homehi RST38h and everyone else19:17
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lardman|homerrr dpkg-shlibdeps: error: no dependency information found for /usr/lib/ (used by debian/mbarcode-plugin-pythonqtwrapper/usr/share/mbarcode/plugins/
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lardman|homeI don't really understand why scratchbox builds report errors while the autobuilder reports errors19:20
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wamty"depends: python-2.5-qt4-core but is not going to be installed"19:22
wamtyim on maemo5 :)19:22
MohammadAG51hostmode gained huge momentum :P19:24
CutMeOwnThroatI think there's aptitude on maemo, too... if you can install that, you can say "aptitude why-not  python-2.5-qt4-core"19:24
ShadowJKwell this is strange, this "high capacity" battery shows up as 1499 maH after I manually told bq27200 to assume 1250mAh, and completed a learning cycle..19:24
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lardman|homeiirc it conflicts with pr1.319:24
* ShadowJK was expecting less than 120019:24
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CutMeOwnThroatmmh, no, seems there's not... I must have imagined seeing it :(19:25
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SpeedEvilumm - isn't 1250->1499 greater than one max learn increment?19:25
SpeedEvilIthought it was 1/819:26
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ShadowJKoh was it 1/8 or 1/6?19:26
wamtyaptitude is not ported on maemo!19:26
ShadowJKoh man there's a calculator app in maemo519:26
MohammadAG51I ported it, sorta19:27
MohammadAG51but libcwidget is broken, so it segfaults on some devices19:27
* ShadowJK stops typing in "echo $((1959/8))..." in sh19:27
CutMeOwnThroatwamty, then you can only go along the dependencies by trying to install... so apt-get install  python-2.5-qt4-core, see why that doesnt work etc.19:27
SpeedEvilapt-get install bc19:27
lardman|homein here:
wamtytried that19:28
wamtythats for me lardman?19:28
lardman|homeI get a no dependency information found error right at the bottom19:28
ShadowJKSpeedEvil, yeah you're right, 1499 is on a 1/8th step-down from defaults19:28
lardman|homewamty: no, I've a separate question19:28
wamtyCutMeOwnThroat, ended in "but somethingcompletely else is going to be installed"19:28
ShadowJKI guess it didn't want to downlearn that much even when I did 1250 -> AR, AR->NAC sequence19:29
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lardman|homeWhat I'm wondering is why it's looking for dep info from /usr/lib/ rather than /usr/lib/, and how I should fix this problem?19:29
wamtyany suggestions?19:29
CutMeOwnThroatwamty, that's a bit vague19:29
wamtywhat should I do now19:30
CutMeOwnThroatI can answer in the same fashion... yes, twiddle this, install something and deinstall something else...19:30
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wamtyit was going to install something completely else19:35
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CutMeOwnThroatwhat's the message you get?19:35
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CutMeOwnThroatthere's pastebinit in extras-devel19:36
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CutMeOwnThroatwamty, and aptitude is also in extras-devel19:39
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* timeless_xchat sighs19:42
timeless_xchatn900 usb port failure19:42
CutMeOwnThroatmmh, port19:44
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lardman|homecu later chaps19:45
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timeless_xchatwhat's the cheapest nokia phone that uses the BL-5J?19:47
* MohammadAG suggests an external charger19:47
MohammadAGor get a broken N95, the battery fits and chargers, sorta19:47
MohammadAGit sticks out, but it chargers19:48
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timeless_xchatis there a page listing all suggestions?19:49
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MohammadAGtimeless_xchat, I use a though my port hasn't failed19:51
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MohammadAG(yet, *knocks on wood*)19:51
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jacekowskitimeless_xchat: failed as in not working?19:52
jacekowskitimeless_xchat: or you managed to pull it out?19:52
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MohammadAGtimeless_xchat, for a compatibility list,
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MohammadAGbut that doesn't phones in which it sticks out19:53
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timeless_xchatjacekowski: probably near to the latter19:55
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real_atehi everyone... is there a maemo dev channel too?19:56
real_ateMohammadAG: Cheers!19:57
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fcrochikanybody here also playing with meego? I am trying to install the sdk/qemu and can't get it to work...19:58
jacekowskitimeless_xchat: thing is that i can't charge from charger19:58
jacekowskitimeless_xchat: but i can charge from usb cable19:58
DocScrutinizerinfobot: no, hostmode is
infobotokay, DocScrutinizer19:59
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trumeeanybody with working scratchbox?20:01
trumeecan somebody build this package for N900,
trumeeit is from here btw,
povbotBug 3399: Will not auto connect to WPA-Enterprise20:01
jacekowskii can20:02
timeless_mbptrumee: eww20:03
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timeless_mbpthat'd ruin me20:03
timeless_mbpinstead of my n900 picking a useful internet enabled network20:03
timeless_mbpit'd pick my employer's presence broken network20:03
jacekowskitrumee: is it for 1.3?20:04
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trumeejacekowski: it is a qt code, should work in Pr1.3 i guess20:04
jacekowskiwell, it's not working in 1.220:04
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jacekowskii mean not compiling20:04
trumee"using the new Qt  Mobility Bearer API" does it mean PR1.3?20:05
jacekowskilet me finish upgrading my scratchbox20:06
trumeeThe code was posted in PR1.2 era.20:06
trumeetimeless_mbp: i suppose it will be possible to specify the ssid in the code.20:07
wellefMohammadAG, could you please have a look at my last try (savepress) and tell me what im doing wrong? :-/20:08
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MohammadAGwellef, you didn't do what I asked you to20:10
MohammadAGreplace the line breaks with a .20:10
lcukMohammadAG, show him one that works20:10
lcukto explain problem better20:10
MohammadAGI did ;)20:11
MohammadAG *A button is visible in the power-button-menu when active, whenever you foregt if savepress is active.20:11
MohammadAG .20:11
MohammadAG Configfile in /home/user/.config/savepress20:11
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* MohammadAG looks at git20:11
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MohammadAGwellef, line 1420:11
* MohammadAG needs to update that...20:12
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wellefUhm.... My changes-file looks like that..20:12
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* timeless_mbp rotfl20:13
jacekowskitrumee: i it's not working in pr1.320:13
timeless_mbp"US Objects To the Kilogram"20:13
jacekowskitrumee: hmm, nvm20:14
jacekowskitrumee: it's working20:14
MohammadAGwellef, did you rebuild the deb?20:14
MohammadAGlcuk, any idea how I could make git reparse everything?20:14
lcukgive it a new version number!20:14
MohammadAGI moved some files around20:14
MohammadAGlcuk, no, a FAILED build can be replaced20:14
lcukgit add * ?20:14
jacekowskitrumee: do you want it?20:14
MohammadAGthat would make dupes :/20:14
lcukMojust do git status20:15
wellefJust edited the .changes..20:15
lcukit will say "arghhh files removed or something20:15
MohammadAGyou don't edit .changes20:15
MohammadAGyou edit debian/control20:15
MohammadAGthen make a new package with dpkg-buildpackage -b20:15
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jacekowskiand changelog20:15
wellefAaaah. Okey20:15
jacekowskiwith dch20:15
* MohammadAG has never used dch20:16
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MohammadAGthanks lcuk20:20
lcukMohammadAG, ?20:21
lcukdid i borken it20:21
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MohammadAGlcuk, lol no20:22
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MohammadAGlcuk, I deleted gitorious.org20:22
lcukoh, everyone does that20:22
lcukat least once20:22
lcuki once had a firefox plugin, that let you select and remove parts of web pages20:23
lcuktracy went rampaging through slashdot20:23
lcukremoving the entire front page piece by piece20:23
lcukthen had a pang of guilt and asked if she had removed it for everyone20:23
MohammadAGlemme guess, you said yes to have fun? :P20:23
lcukof course20:24
lcukgeek code to adhere to20:24
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Myrttigeekcode? surely you don't mean the one people use in their signatures20:24
lcukMyrtti, not the written one20:24
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Myrttilcuk: not one?20:25
Myrttijust teasing20:25
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wellefMohammadAG, worked. Thanks a billion for your time :)20:27
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trumeejacekowski: thank you20:27
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* lcuk smiles at 5+++20:27
MohammadAGwellef, you're welcome :)20:27
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infoboti guess pr1.3 is the latest (and probably last) software update for Fremantle, available since Monday October 25 2010. More information at -- see ~flashing for how to update20:28
infobotflashing is, like,
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Noobmonk3yMohammadAG: did you look/laugh at HC?20:34
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trumeejacekowski: it works. thank you very much.20:35
trumeetimeless_mbp: hope that bug 3399 is squashed one day.20:35
povbotBug Will not auto connect to WPA-Enterprise20:35
MohammadAGNoobmonk3y, link? lol20:35
timeless_mbptrumee: generally i'd agree20:35
Noobmonk3yi sent u the file! - well gave u the link lol20:35
timeless_mbpbut personally i think the whole design is broken20:35
timeless_mbpwhether i want to autoconnect to a network is a per network pref20:36
lcuki have said before, calling it HC and asking people to look/laugh at it20:36
lcukmakes me giggle20:36
MohammadAGNoobmonk3y, where? lol20:36
* Noobmonk3y is just here to make lcuk laugh and giggle ;)20:36
MohammadAGMohammadAG51 is dead, testing hostmode on the N90020:36
Noobmonk3ylol Mo20:36
Noobmonk3ypm'd you20:36
Noobmonk3ytis an old v now, as i'm marching on20:36
* MohammadAG waits till download finishes before he pressing enter after "ROFLMFAO"20:37
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MohammadAGnow now Noobmonk3y, that's the build!20:37
Noobmonk3ythats the code too!20:38
MohammadAGclean binaries next time :P20:38
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Noobmonk3ywell you didnt say what to send you lol20:38
Noobmonk3ycoulda just sent u a deb lol20:38
thphow can i get the name of the currently-selected theme (i.e. the folder name in /usr/share/themes of the currently-selected theme)?20:38
Noobmonk3ythp now that is a good question20:38
Noobmonk3ywhen you find out can you let me know ;)20:38
MohammadAGthp, if you find an answer, do forward it to me :)20:39
thphehe ;) that's a hot topic, huh?20:39
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MohammadAGNoobmonk3y, UI is sexy20:40
* MohammadAG looks at code, pukes :P20:40
* Noobmonk3y smiles - yay!!!!20:40
Noobmonk3yMohammadAG: did you expect any different?20:41
Noobmonk3ywith the code anyway!20:41
MohammadAGyes lol20:41
MohammadAGwhy doesn't the UI work on Ubuntu20:41
Noobmonk3yno idea20:41
Noobmonk3yadded maemo5 to the code maybe?20:41
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Noobmonk3yQT       += core gui maemo520:42
thpNoobmonk3y, MohammadAG: got it.. /etc/hildon/theme is a symlink to the current theme20:42
* Noobmonk3y smiles at thp, and in a non sexual way!20:42
Noobmonk3ythank you thp!20:42
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* Myrtti rolls her eyes20:43
* Noobmonk3y dances on Myrtti's rolling eyes20:43
MohammadAGNoobmonk3y, includes go in .h, :)20:43
Noobmonk3ymeh meh20:43
Noobmonk3yexcept for the .h includes you mean?20:43
MohammadAGyes, like <QString> in hcmainwindow.cpp20:44
Noobmonk3ymoved :0 ty20:44
MohammadAGyou have it included twice lol20:44
Noobmonk3ythey where already in there oh well :P20:44
Noobmonk3ygotta make sure, ya know :P20:44
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Noobmonk3ynow all i need to figure out is qprocess and the first window is done ;)20:44
Noobmonk3yi personally blame lcuk, meh ;)20:44
MohammadAGthough really, it should work on ubuntu20:45
MohammadAGthat's what Qt's about20:45
Noobmonk3yprobably, but, but... i dont care about ubuntu :)20:45
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Noobmonk3yi'm calling soooo many specific maemo stuff that i dont mind20:45
Noobmonk3yand i'm doing it really only for maemo, until i get a meego device20:45
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Noobmonk3yor possibly *holds breath* symbian ;)20:46
MohammadAGwhat does battery free mean?20:46
Noobmonk3y% free20:46
Noobmonk3yand it doesnt mean that20:47
Noobmonk3ycos i've changed it20:47
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Noobmonk3yits actually battery temp, and it determines if you have the correct kernel or not :)20:47
Noobmonk3yotherwise displays a polite fuck off ;)20:47
MohammadAGI noticed that part20:47
* Noobmonk3y has altered the code quite a bit this evening20:48
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Noobmonk3ylike the idea?20:48
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Noobmonk3ystacked widgets work ok :)20:48
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MohammadAGempty window on ubuntu20:50
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* MohammadAG curses trouts20:50
Noobmonk3yrun it on ya device :P20:50
MohammadAGi did20:50
Noobmonk3ydid it not work?20:50
* MohammadAG likes the about screen20:51
nuovodnahi, where can i find a PR 1.3 compatible package of transmission torrent client?20:51
Noobmonk3y:) :)20:51
MohammadAGclicked your link, crashed half the about screen20:51
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Noobmonk3yhehe yeah20:51
Noobmonk3yneed to sort that ;)20:51
Noobmonk3ywill use a webkit i think20:51
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* timeless_mbp sighs21:00
timeless_mbpso, my DVR has a wonderful feature21:00
timeless_mbpif the disk is full when it tries to record a program21:00
Noobmonk3ymeh two fields to go - both need qporcess working ;)21:00
timeless_mbpit tosses up a dialog box on the screen saying "disk is full" <ok>21:00
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timeless_mbpyou have to dismiss the dialog to continue watching the program21:00
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timeless_mbpand each time it tries to record a new program, it gives you the dialog21:01
Noobmonk3ytimeless_mbp, sounds genius, does it text you "naaa naaa na naaa naaaaa"?21:01
timeless_mbpNoobmonk3y: sadly it doesn't21:01
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Noobmonk3y;) hehehe21:01
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timeless_mbpif it did, i could probably use that entrypoint to attack it21:01
* MohammadAG needs to switch to QProcess21:01
* Noobmonk3y farts21:01
Noobmonk3ySo MohammadAG your task in the next 20 minutes is to get qprocess working for me lol21:02
Noobmonk3ythen i have to cook dinner ;)21:02
Noobmonk3yor should i just use popen?21:02
Noobmonk3yas it will probably work ;)21:02
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* Noobmonk3y will use it then lol21:02
MohammadAGcalling a shell to read values isn't good21:02
Myrttilcuk: can you remember the place I pointed you to for the N900 stickers?21:03
MohammadAGwastes memory, makes the UI slow21:03
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Noobmonk3ygraaaaaaaaahhhh to you too ;)21:07
MohammadAGthis pic is win
Noobmonk3ywas just politely replying to your graaaaaaaaahhhh21:08
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Noobmonk3ylol it all points to nokia21:09
MohammadAGout of*21:09
Noobmonk3yoracle and google are soulmates ;)21:09
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MohammadAGthose are lawsuits btw21:09
Noobmonk3ySharp, samsung & motorola (and htc) lol!21:09
Noobmonk3ykodak have done pretty well ;)21:10
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Noobmonk3yyeah Mo, the title gives it away ;)21:10
lcukMyrtti, hold on21:10
lcuki sent link to tracy21:10
MyrttiI had to peel my gelaskin stickers off my phone and I'm not sure will they stick when I get it back21:11
Noobmonk3yand you where probably 10ft from each other when you sent it to her ;)21:11
Myrttiso I might need to look for new stickers21:11
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MyrttiNoobmonk3y: I use delicious for that in any case, no matter how far SO is21:12
Myrtti(and this time I will stick the bloody link on delicious too)21:12
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SpeedEvilMyrtti: wha sort of time?21:14
SpeedEvilMyrtti: sickers21:14
MyrttiSpeedEvil: you no sense make, young padawan21:15
SpeedEvilMyrtti: I was trying to grep21:15
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MyrttiBetween 14th of April and 15th of May21:16
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Myrttibrilliant ♥21:18
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Myrttihmmm pink burberry...21:19
Myrttioh well, I suppose I should wait until I get it back first from the service place21:20
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* Noobmonk3y has never used delicious21:23
Noobmonk3ywhats it for?21:23
Myrttiand sharing them21:24
timeless_mbpoh, the dvr still says "REC" on the front21:27
timeless_mbpi'm not sure where it's recording..21:27
Noobmonk3ytheres a geeky tool for everything21:27
nid0probably busily overwriting the last thing you recorded21:27
Noobmonk3ynow where is the missus.... she needs a phone lol21:27
timeless_mbpnid0: the last 50 or so things all "recorded" w/ a full disk..21:28
MyrttiI suppose döner for dinner on consecutive nights is a bad idea21:29
Myrtti... pasta it is then21:29
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D-manGuys, how would I install package libsqlite3-dev , apt-get says that it's not available but is referred to by another package..21:31
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MohammadAGon device?21:32
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D-manpr1.3 if it matters :)21:34
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MohammadAGyou need the SDK21:35
MohammadAGor a chroot21:35
MohammadAGor SDK repo links in sources.list, but that will easily fill your /21:36
* RST38h has looked into somebody's Z80 emulator and understood what a clusterfuck is21:36
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RST38hif(CPU.A & 0x80) { /* Let us hope nobody does JP M,xxxx after operation not involving A */ }21:37
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RST38hSome people are funny. Has he REALLY thought nobody does JP M,xxxx after something like IN B,(C) ?21:37
* Noobmonk3y blinks21:39
javispedrohello world.21:39
RST38hhello javispedro. login please.21:40
javispedro> joshua21:40
derfWouldn't you prefer a nice game of chess?21:41
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D-manOh great.. you mean all the sdk repos?21:42
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javispedroalsa -- grrr21:46
javispedrowhat's with this three layers of abstraction, all of them part of the official public api21:46
MohammadAGD-man, get the SDK21:47
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RST38hjavis: Authors had both Asperger's and megalomania21:49
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RST38hWere going to design the Supreme Audio API ThatIs Suitable For Every Imaginable Use21:50
javispedrono wonder people just system() the mixer binary and manipulate it via popen or cmd line args where possible instead of using the insane api21:50
javispedroRST38h: also shocking are "whatever_alsa_struct_calloc"-#defines21:51
javispedrowhat's wrong with the plain C syntax to allocate a struct on the stack?21:52
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D-manMohammadAG: Um.. I have it... I just given up on trying to do anything on it. It's an overkill.21:53
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fretthi guys22:26
frettgot a quick question22:26
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frettis the n900 kernel a "file"? such as **.bin?22:27
frettthe thing is, that im trying to install archmobile, and it needs you to cp the kernel to the arch22:27
* Noobmonk3y returneth again22:29
Noobmonk3yooo frett wake MohammadAG up :P22:29
MohammadAGthe kernel is on /dev/mtd2(iirc)22:30
MohammadAGand no, it's a zImage that is flashed to that partition22:30
chupy35hi, i fucked it up, i was getting some rootfs space but i remove /usr/lib/locale/  languages files or whatever it is like ar_something,  now my phone menus is like technical like instead of media player is mp_ti_mp22:30
Noobmonk3yremoved the language files? :P22:31
Noobmonk3ybackup - then reflash ;P22:31
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fralsdid you not expect the language to disappear if you removed the language files? :P22:31
chupy35i dont want to reflash please, i just conserved en and es files22:31
Noobmonk3yfrals: shhhhhhhh they are starting to think i am intellamegent22:31
Noobmonk3ychupy, sensibley ... dont accept random files from other people - the safest way is to reflash, but...22:32
frettMohammadAG so it is not possible to just cp the kernel?22:32
chupy35can someone share me his /usr/lib/locale22:32
Noobmonk3yif you really want i'll go hunt that folder out and upload em22:32
Noobmonk3yevening frals22:32
chupy35thanks that will be helpfull22:32
Noobmonk3ychupy, gimme 10 mins :)22:32
chupy35ok thanks :D22:32
fralsello Noobmonk3y22:33
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MohammadAGchupy35, you need en_GB22:33
MohammadAGor en_US22:33
MohammadAGnot just en22:33
chupy35i have that ones22:33
chupy35the others22:33
chupy35i remove them22:33
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Noobmonk3ywhich do you need? lol22:33
MohammadAGfrett, I've never heard of cping the tutorial22:34
MohammadAGNoobmonk3y, upload all of them :P22:34
chupy35all the /usr/lib/locale please22:34
Noobmonk3yok, dloading, will zip them and upload22:34
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Noobmonk3yif winscp decides to uncrash on me!22:34
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Noobmonk3yit's copying :P22:36
frettWell, anybody ever made ArchMobile work on the n90022:36
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Noobmonk3yomg, did you delete a feck ass folder!22:36
* Noobmonk3y quickly replaces english with pirate english, shhhhhhhhhhhhhhh no-one would ever know ;)22:36
chupy35what? XD22:36
Noobmonk3ylol i was only joking ;)22:37
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Noobmonk3y15% copied! lol22:37
Noobmonk3y10 mins remaining on copy, so add 2 mins to package and upload to ftp - and it's all yours ;)22:38
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chupy35_sorry Noobmonk3y also my wifi sucks22:39
chupy35_cheap router22:40
Noobmonk3ynot a prob22:41
Noobmonk3yonce i'm done it's all up to you to dload22:41
Noobmonk3yit will be in a zip or rar file, up to you:P22:41
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chupy35_whatever you want22:43
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chupy35_look how it looks
Noobmonk3y5mb, just uploading22:43
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Noobmonk3ylol thats the programming vars, i like22:44
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chupy35_but everything is like that, is not nice22:44
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Noobmonk3ydone chupy35_22:45
MohammadAGchupy35_, you should see mine when I corrupted some stuff22:45 even22:45
MohammadAGshoud've seen*22:45
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Noobmonk3yMohammadAG: when you corrupt something, it causes george Bush to stutter it corrupts that bad22:45
chupy35_thanks Noobmonk3y, hope that works22:45
MohammadAGdoesn't he always :P22:45
* Noobmonk3y is crossing fingers and toes22:45
Noobmonk3yexactley my point ;)22:46
Noobmonk3yMohammadAG: the misses is making chocolate for me!22:46
chupy35_troyan.exe O.o lol22:46
Noobmonk3y(not that melt premade stuff) but from the raw ingredients!22:46
MohammadAG chupy35_22:46
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Noobmonk3yMohammadAG: how dare you release the new Healthcheck pic ;)22:46
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MohammadAGyou have to admit though, that's a nice corruption22:47
chupy35_damn, that is worst22:47
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chupy35_dont play with ssh22:47
Noobmonk3ypity things still look almost normal, if it looked like iphone4, i woulda given ya 10/1022:47
MohammadAGyou should see the menu :P22:48
Venemo_N900anyone used Transmission yet?22:48
Noobmonk3ynot me22:48
Noobmonk3ylo venemo :)22:48
MohammadAGchupy35_, <-- best pic eva22:48
Venemo_N900it says "port is closed" for any port I tried to add22:48
Noobmonk3ylol ok i agree, that is cool22:48
Venemo_N900hey MohammadAG5122:48
MohammadAGheya Venemo_N90022:48
Noobmonk3yVenemo_N900: it thinks you smell.... not good :(22:48
chupy35_is that locale problem or what?22:48
chupy35_do u reflash?22:49
MohammadAGno, corrupt /home (including /opt)22:49
Noobmonk3ychupy35_: MohammadAG plays with more then the locales lol22:49
MohammadAGNFS Stale Handle22:49
Noobmonk3yhe's trying to turn his phone into a new kind of god i think22:49
MohammadAGso I couldn't rm or do anything except backup what was left, then flash22:49
Venemo_N900so, any ideas?22:49
MohammadAGand what was left wasn't really a lot :P22:49
Noobmonk3yVenemo_N900: transmission the bittorrent thing?22:49
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Venemo_N900Noobmonk3y: yes22:49
* MohammadAG wouldn't use transmission on the N90022:50
Venemo_N900well I have no access to a desktop computer right now22:50
* MohammadAG rephrases22:50
* MohammadAG wouldn't use transmission on *22:50
Venemo_N900so it is my only optoon atm22:50
MohammadAGI hate torrents :P22:50
Noobmonk3ywell Venemo_N900 the FAQ says... port forwarding or something is screwing it up!22:50
Turskii would use rtorrent on *22:50
MohammadAGwarez ftw :p22:50
Venemo_N900me too, but my gf wants to show me a series :)22:51
MohammadAGDMZ ftw then22:51
MohammadAGopen all ports22:51
Venemo_N900MohammadAG: how do I do that?22:51
Noobmonk3ychupy35_: did it work?22:52
MohammadAGrouter settings22:52
Venemo_N900MohammadAG: well I dunno of any bad settings22:52
MohammadAGthen go to the DMZ section, and put your N900's IP there22:52
MohammadAGthen save22:52
MohammadAGshould open up all ports on that IP22:52
MohammadAGthat's how I torrent when I desperately need it22:52
Venemo_N900it even says port 80 is closed, but http is definitely working on the device22:52
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MohammadAGmaybe transmission's buggy on 1.3?22:53
Venemo_N900hm, I dunno22:53
MohammadAG[19:51:15] <nuovodna> hi, where can i find a PR 1.3 compatible package of transmission torrent client?22:53
MohammadAGit's 21:53 here if you're wondering22:53
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Venemo_N900oh, so it is not working22:53
MohammadAGand qwerty left22:54
MohammadAGhe's the maintainer afaik22:54
Venemo_N900well he didn't do it alone22:54
chupy35_i ll be back22:55
Noobmonk3yok arnie22:55
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Venemo_N900chupy35_: see ~flashing22:56
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Noobmonk3yMohammadAG: did you complete your homework earlier? and get Qprocess working? ;)22:57
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MohammadAGno :P22:58
Noobmonk3yfail fail fail22:59
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chupy35Noobmonk3y, dont work :(23:08
Noobmonk3ynot for lack of trying :P23:09
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chupy35i also use the free rootfs scripts, maybe that :S23:09
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chupy35mmmm... can i back it up all?, my apps and files and all of that?23:12
chupy35including nitdroid and webos apps23:12
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Noobmonk3ywell the backup does most23:13
Noobmonk3ybackup any special files just incase23:13
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lbthas 1.3 brought back the network connection error problems ?23:19
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GAN900Did they ever go away?23:22
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Shapeshifterdoes anyone else have pronlims with the 'update automatically' time on the n900? mine is constantly 4 minutes into the future23:25
ShapeshifterI gave up and set it manually23:26
jacekowskianybody here using preenv?23:26
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Shapeshifterjacekowski: me23:26
jacekowskiwhere do you get apps?23:26
jacekowskito run on it?23:26
jacekowskilike games and stuff23:26
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Shapeshifterjacekowski: uhm... zee rapishare? ... :!23:27
jacekowskiyou are recommending piracy?23:28
Shapeshifterjacekowski: you're supposed to have a pre and have the ipks23:28
jacekowskiif i would have pre i wouldn't have n90023:28
Shapeshifterjacekowski: I'm answering your question23:28
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Shapeshifteryou cannot buy the games unless you have a pre afaik although I might be wrong. be aware however that most games only make sense if you have multitouch23:31
Shapeshifterwhich you have not23:31
Shapeshifteralthough a few people, including me, are looking into faking multigtoch23:33
chupy35i download them lol23:34
chupy35i have seen something of multitouch resistive screens23:34
jacekowskiyou can do multitouch on resistive23:35
jacekowskijust n900 doesn't do it23:35
jacekowskii mean n900 resistive screen is not designed for multitouch23:35
chupy35there are some unlicensed windows mobile 6 drivers that makes resistive multitouch23:36
jacekowskionly if screen have support for it23:37
jacekowskibut n900 can't do it23:37
Shapeshifterjacekowski: the idea is to hack sdl and make the keyboard vreate fake finge touch events23:38
Shapeshifterdamn alcohol :!23:39
Shapeshifterdamn satirday and damn mobile internet :)23:39
Shapeshiftersaturday even...23:39
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Shapeshifteryou could map all the keys on the keyboard to relate to areas of the screen or at least make so of the keys cause a touch event23:40
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lbtGAN900: heh ... mine did23:44
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pupnik  Nokia E7, 640x360, 683 euro23:47
pupnikcourse they want 1,000 for an iphone 423:48
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nox-Symbian 3 hmm23:49
MohammadAGX-Fade, ping23:50
chupy35can i reinstall local files? and how23:53
MohammadAGgood question23:54
phrykDo you mean packages?23:55
chupy35mmm.. i dont want to reflash23:55
chupy35look my phone23:55
phrykIf you have root access you can reinstall a package with apt-get or aptitude (if installed)23:55
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lbtso... does anyone know a simple howto to create a desktop icon on the n900 to run a shell script ?23:56
chupy35everything is like that23:56
MohammadAGchupy35, got ssh?23:56
MohammadAGthen ssh23:57
FunnyfaceI never really missed multitouch on my N90023:57
MohammadAGI'll give you some command you could try23:57
chupy35MohammedAG then?, ok23:57
Funnyfaceof course I wouldn't mind if it supported it, but it's not a major drawback. I just use one finger on the display anyway23:57
ShadowJKpupnik, 31.7% cheaper than iphone!omg23:58
chupy35MohammadAG in ssh what can i do?23:58
MohammadAGchupy35, cd /var/lib/dpkg/info23:58
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pupnikwhat does e7 do better than motorola milestone 2?
chupy35, ok, now23:59

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