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| DocScrutinizer51 | ~hostmode | 00:37 |
| infobot | i guess hostmode is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=824197#post824197 | 00:37 |
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| alterego | Can't wait for Qt 4.7 in PR1.3 .. | 00:58 |
| alterego | Gonna make writting little apps so much more fun :D | 00:58 |
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| alterego | Anyhow, bed time, g'night folks. | 00:58 |
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| timeless_mbp | f0rkb0mb: how would i use it? | 01:12 |
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| f0rkb0mb | timeless_mbp: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HblSL0hG6Wg | 01:23 |
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| f0rkb0mb | dont expect a huge range, i need to stand 2m in front of my tv, which makes it totally useless for me | 01:24 |
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| timeless_mbp | f0rkb0mb: as long as i don't need to teach it | 01:34 |
| timeless_mbp | because i don't think my original remote works | 01:34 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | timeless_mbp: there's a lirc controller def for almost every IT reco chip available | 01:42 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | timeless_mbp: I found most predefined IRrecos rather 'test' though - so I decided to create an ow test :-) may be you like to base your own design on some ideas in there | 01:44 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | look for TV LG jr*_1/2 | 01:45 |
| timeless_mbp | where would i find DVR in the list? | 01:45 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | no idea | 01:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | maybe DVD? | 01:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | or your appliances brand | 01:52 |
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| johnx | ah the fun or IR transmitters | 01:53 |
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| pupnik | can N900 gfx run in palletted mode? :) 8 or more bit CLUT? :D | 01:54 |
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| DocScrutinizer | timeless_mbp: check yesterday's chanlog for how to tune lirc IR carrier frequency in (grepstring:) lircd.conf rsp included file | 01:58 |
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| DocScrutinizer | alas this didn't change my experience with N900 CIR, just like said above: range = ~2m to TV | 02:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | maybe 3 with good aiming and luck | 02:00 |
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| hawaii_ | yo | 02:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | seems there's actually something fishy with the IR LED plus associated hardware | 02:01 |
| hawaii_ | pants. | 02:03 |
| cehteh | signal noise or underpowered? | 02:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer | underpowered, poor on/off ratio, maybe instable carrier freq (had to scrutinize the rx51-lirc.ko source - or whateverthename) | 02:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | wrong IR wavelength, poor design of aperture glass, who knows | 02:06 |
| ajf_ | I think I need to hold it 3 metres away from the edge of the atmosphere to get a GPS fix in a useful time | 02:06 |
| ajf_ | :( | 02:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer | lol | 02:07 |
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| DocScrutinizer | you got a sim with valid registration, booked in to carrier? plus some connectivity to the internets? enabled assisted mode? | 02:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer | should be less than 20s then for TTFF | 02:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer | as long as you're not indoors | 02:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | keep in mind most apps give up and stop GPS if no fix after 60s | 02:09 |
| hawaii_ | I can get a fix in mere seconds. | 02:10 |
| johnx | I must live in some sort of N900 paradise | 02:10 |
| ajf_ | think I had all of those things, there were quite a few tall buildings but not that many (Bristol) | 02:10 |
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| johnx | I had a fix inside by the time google maps was done loading (over wifi) | 02:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer | for proper tests you'll want to use location test app | 02:11 |
| johnx | granted it can be up to 30 seconds in other situations, and without cell service it tends to just give up | 02:11 |
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| ajf_ | maybe it was ovi maps, but the GPS icon was flashing while it said looking for gps so thought it was looking | 02:11 |
| ajf_ | I have the same problem in London too | 02:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's a lie | 02:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | it says it's looking for GPS but in fact gave up | 02:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer | use Location Test | 02:12 |
| ajf_ | damn you ovi maps, fair enough then :) | 02:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | it doesn't give up, and yields proper info what's going on | 02:13 |
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| kerio | never give up | 02:13 |
| kerio | trust your instincts | 02:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | gpsjini recently annoyed me | 02:14 |
| timeless_mbp | ok, irreco works | 02:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | \o/ | 02:14 |
| timeless_mbp | i have a minimal remote with most of the buttons i need | 02:14 |
| timeless_mbp | terrible range | 02:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep | 02:14 |
| timeless_mbp | but better than nothing | 02:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | sometimes, sometimes | 02:15 |
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| timeless_mbp | it needs support for portrait mode. | 02:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | standingatthemachineverydayforallmylifeimusedtodoitandineedititstheonlythingiwantitsjustaRUSH RUSH RUSH | 02:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer | sometimes - sometimes | 02:18 |
| * johnx just has horrible luck with set-top boxes, let alone their remotes | 02:19 | |
| DocScrutinizer | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3lF262d38Vo&list=QL&feature=BF | 02:19 |
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| timeless_mbp | johnx: right | 02:23 |
| timeless_mbp | i want someone to help me find a DVR that doesn't *SUCK* | 02:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | nah, the 1983 version is definitely better | 02:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | curse remixes | 02:24 |
| * SpeedEvil ponders. | 02:24 | |
| * johnx agrees with DocScrutinizer. timeless_mbp, just get a VCR | 02:24 | |
| timeless_mbp | BetaMax? | 02:25 |
| timeless_mbp | the 1988 VCR from the US was smarter than the DVRs available here in .FI | 02:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | YEAH!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FKx36PZdzwg&feature=related | 02:25 |
| timeless_mbp | (vcrs can record a program 5 days a week...) | 02:25 |
| SpeedEvil | hmm | 02:25 |
| timeless_mbp | and a 1991 or so VCR supported program code recording | 02:26 |
| timeless_mbp | whereas the insane DVRs here can't deal w/ stupid 5-45 minute shifts in programming | 02:26 |
| SpeedEvil | timeless: myth? | 02:26 |
| timeless_mbp | even though they *know* the name of the programs | 02:26 |
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| timeless_mbp | SpeedEvil: i don't want to pay 1000EUR | 02:26 |
| timeless_mbp | find me a solution that's <250EUR | 02:27 |
| timeless_mbp | i have a G5 power mac | 02:27 |
| johnx | cancel your cable, buy a google tv | 02:27 |
| timeless_mbp | and a 1998 era pc (and a 1999 era pc) | 02:27 |
| timeless_mbp | johnx: how does that work? | 02:27 |
| johnx | dunno. I need you to buy one and tell me | 02:27 |
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| johnx | I guess you buy or rent DRMed stuff from amazon and netflix | 02:28 |
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| johnx | things that aren't a solution: anything from seagate | 02:28 |
| timeless_mbp | i want to watch: Grey's Anatomy, Dexter, House, Numb3rs, ... | 02:28 |
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| johnx | new episodes or old ones? | 02:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | WESTBAM, hmmm... | 02:33 |
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| johnx | timeless_mbp, get an appleTV. I'm curious if it doesn't suck anyways, so make sure you review it | 02:38 |
| timeless_mbp | johnx: on most series i'm about 1 1/2 seasons behind | 02:39 |
| timeless_mbp | because finland is at least 1 season behind | 02:39 |
| timeless_mbp | i do not want to have to pay for each series | 02:40 |
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| johnx | I started making a spreadsheet at one point, but I gave up on the DVR idea and I'm thinking I'll just pay up to 'the man' on a per show basis | 02:40 |
| timeless_mbp | and i'm not really willing to pay much more than 0.10 USD per episode | 02:40 |
| pupnik | you guys might like this: | 02:40 |
| pupnik | Flexible computer credit card with software-rewriteable strip and led indicators + display ..... ..... ..... http://173.192.209.77/videos43ll/78f81d327fe3c0b235e97d41ec8a0c65_card.flv.mp4 | 02:40 |
| johnx | do you get cable? | 02:40 |
| timeless_mbp | johnx: yes | 02:40 |
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| johnx | and how much does it cost per month? | 02:40 |
| timeless_mbp | the problem is that my DVR and its Remote are flaky | 02:41 |
| timeless_mbp | johnx: apparently very little | 02:41 |
| timeless_mbp | it's not much of a "plan", it's some sort of "slightly more than aerial" | 02:41 |
| johnx | so you actually watch enough TV that you end up paying 10c an episode? | 02:41 |
| johnx | and how much time do you spend hacking up your DVR to work? how much is your time worth? | 02:42 |
| timeless_mbp | when i complained that my DVR was breaking/broken they tried to say i wasn't paying anything | 02:42 |
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| timeless_mbp | but then noted that i was paying something | 02:42 |
| timeless_mbp | johnx: i probably watch 20 hours a week i guess | 02:42 |
| * timeless_mbp ponders | 02:42 | |
| johnx | gah | 02:42 |
| timeless_mbp | grey's, ncis, ncis, numbers, house, | 02:42 |
| timeless_mbp | the dvr is recording so i can't ask for a menu | 02:43 |
| nox- | is your cable encrypted? | 02:44 |
| timeless_mbp | there's a card in my dvr | 02:45 |
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| timeless_mbp | so i think so | 02:45 |
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| nox- | well if its ci you _might_ still get it working with a pc... | 02:47 |
| nox- | (assuming its digital) | 02:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | flv.mp4 >:-( | 02:48 |
| timeless_mbp | it's digital | 02:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | meh | 02:48 |
| nox- | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_Interface | 02:49 |
| timeless_mbp | also Eureka | 02:52 |
| timeless_mbp | the Good Wife | 02:52 |
| nox- | you'd need a dvb card with ci slot and a module thats compatible with your card, then you probably could use even linux software like vdr | 02:53 |
| * nox- uses vdr too, tho only for fta channels | 02:53 | |
| nox- | (i have neither cable nor paytv...) | 02:54 |
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| timeless_mbp | nox-: price tag? | 02:54 |
| nox- | not sure but i suspect it would be < 250eur | 02:55 |
| nox- | (if you already have the pc) | 02:55 |
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| timeless_mbp | pc dates to 2004 (g5) or 98/99 (p2/p3) | 03:00 |
| nox- | well, at least hdtv might then be a problem :) | 03:02 |
| johnx | if you just want to record without transcoding and playback somewhere else it might not be bad | 03:04 |
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| nox- | true | 03:04 |
| johnx | last time I did this I had analog cable ... | 03:04 |
| johnx | what a *&#$ing nightmare | 03:04 |
| pupnik | still happy with maemo nox- ? | 03:04 |
| nox- | recording dvb hdtv is not a problem, just playing hd h264... | 03:05 |
| pupnik | oh yes | 03:05 |
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| nox- | pupnik, i dont expect miracles, so yes :) | 03:06 |
| pupnik | i should have ignored the annoyances more | 03:07 |
| nox- | :) | 03:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | online-vdr? | 03:07 |
| nox- | DocScrutinizer, what do you mean? | 03:07 |
| nox- | oh, playback via streamdev etc? sure thats possible | 03:08 |
| nox- | webinterface too | 03:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer | http://www.onlinetvrecorder.com/ | 03:09 |
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| timeless_mbp | so... | 03:17 |
| timeless_mbp | about irreco | 03:17 |
| timeless_mbp | the remote i have has buttons for <show recorded programs>, <fast forward>, <rewind>, <play>, <pause> | 03:18 |
| jpinx-eeepc | it's Qtirreco isn't it? | 03:18 |
| timeless_mbp | the thing i'm using doesn't seem to have those | 03:18 |
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| nox- | jpinx-eeepc, no irreco is still alive too | 03:18 |
| hawaii_ | qtIrreco is a Qt frontend to irreco. | 03:18 |
| timeless_mbp | it claims Irreco 0.8.11 | 03:18 |
| jpinx-eeepc | fairysnuff - I just installed the qt version... | 03:18 |
| timeless_mbp | i don't think this is related to the UI | 03:19 |
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| timeless_mbp | it seems to be related to the data available for the remote i picked | 03:19 |
| jpinx-eeepc | let's see if it'll run the model helicopter | 03:19 |
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| timeless_mbp | what does an Irreco "theme" do? | 03:22 |
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| timeless_mbp | ok, so, how is the theme used in irreco? | 03:37 |
| nox- | probably just eyecandy | 03:37 |
| timeless_mbp | and where are my remotes saved? | 03:38 |
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| * timeless_mbp sighs | 03:40 | |
| * timeless_mbp finds the way to use the theme | 03:40 | |
| timeless_mbp | boy this sucks | 03:40 |
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| andrewfblack | Looking for help tethering my N900 to a iden phone using Bluetooth DUN | 03:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer | timeless_mbp: theme means button icons | 03:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | the commands are all listed when you edit or create new button, in the middle section for the button | 03:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | the names should be self explaining | 03:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | iden? | 03:47 |
| timeless_mbp | … so where does the file i'm editing live? | 03:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | timeless_mbp: the available commands are defined in the lirc part | 03:47 |
| andrewfblack | DocScrutinizer: yeah iden is only phone I have that works at work, and since I got promoted I had to give back my company phone | 03:48 |
| timeless_mbp | and is the file i'm making compatible w/ the qt version | 03:48 |
| timeless_mbp | DocScrutinizer: yeah yeah | 03:48 |
| timeless_mbp | but i'm building a remote | 03:48 |
| timeless_mbp | where the heck does that file live on disk"? | 03:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | timeless_mbp: there's ~user/.irreco/* | 03:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | /etc/lircd.conf | 03:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | /etc/lirc.d/* | 03:49 |
| timeless_mbp | and does the Qt version suck less? | 03:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | ans ome shit on MyDocs/.irreco | 03:49 |
| timeless_mbp | someone was not very sensible about how the editing works | 03:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | don't think so | 03:49 |
| timeless_mbp | you tap on a button and it either randomly moves | 03:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes, editing sucks | 03:49 |
| timeless_mbp | or maybe you get a context menu | 03:49 |
| timeless_mbp | w/ tiny buttons | 03:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, the config files are all plain text ;-D | 03:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | timeless_mbp: I'm sure you'll have no problems to figure it | 03:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer | the commands and lirc backend hw specs are on MyDocs, the file is linked from /etc/lircd.conf | 03:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | s/link/include | 03:52 |
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| DocScrutinizer | the layout is in ~user/.irreco/*.layout or somesuch | 03:52 |
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| DocScrutinizer | looking at the mtimes also helps | 03:53 |
| andrewfblack | no one using there n900 without a sim card? guess I will start uing n810 at work I'm still not sure why they didn't leave the gui to set this up on n900 | 03:55 |
| derf | I use my N900 without a SIM card. | 03:55 |
| andrewfblack | derf: you use it with another phone or just wifi? | 03:56 |
| derf | Just wifi. | 03:56 |
| andrewfblack | derf: k | 03:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | one just wifi, one as a phone | 03:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | err, make that "one just wifi and usb hostmode" | 03:57 |
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| timeless_mbp | hey | 03:59 |
| timeless_mbp | is there an Apple Remote profile for iireco? :) | 03:59 |
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| andrewfblack | can you get internet on N900 from a computer with a bluetooth connection | 04:01 |
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| timeless_mbp | you mean BT PAN? | 04:05 |
| timeless_mbp | http://wiki.maemo.org/Bluetooth_PAN | 04:05 |
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| timeless_mbp | is Qt Irreco under development? | 04:10 |
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| timeless_mbp | ooh, Qt Irreco has a fingerable download remote dialog | 04:14 |
| timeless_mbp | (barely) | 04:14 |
| timeless_mbp | qt irreco's category is bad | 04:19 |
| timeless_mbp | eww, it uses system modal dialogs | 04:23 |
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| nomad | hi all | 05:35 |
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| TermanaN900 | good morning | 07:25 |
| pupnik | TermanaN900: did you get meego running on HTC? | 07:26 |
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| TermanaN900 | pupnik, On the Desire? Yes I have the Handset UX booting and working GPRS | 07:27 |
| pupnik | sweet | 07:27 |
| pupnik | weren't video drivers terribly difficult? | 07:27 |
| TermanaN900 | pupnik, using software rendering at the moment. Not really slow as slow as you would expect. I have a video up to show the speed | 07:28 |
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| TermanaN900 | not really as slow as you* | 07:28 |
| pupnik | ahh ok. | 07:29 |
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| pupnik | just wondering where one would find if gfx drivers were available | 07:29 |
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| TermanaN900 | Since you can't really use the Android ones, we found a development board that uses xorg and has GLESv2 drivers with the same GPU. Need to port the kernel driver for it though and then there is still no guarentee it will work. | 07:32 |
| pupnik | wow | 07:33 |
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| SpeedEvil | neat TermanaN900 | 07:51 |
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| RobbieThe1st | Hi all | 07:56 |
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| TermanaN900 | hello RobbieThe1st | 07:57 |
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| MohammadAG51 | the fuck | 08:27 |
| MohammadAG51 | my N900 has 0 mount point with "mount" | 08:28 |
| MohammadAG51 | and nothing shows in df | 08:28 |
| TermanaN900 | good morning to you to MohammadAG51 | 08:28 |
| TermanaN900 | :p | 08:28 |
| MohammadAG51 | anything interesting on tmo? | 08:28 |
| RST38h | No. | 08:28 |
| TermanaN900 | too* | 08:28 |
| RST38h | and good morning,too. | 08:28 |
| MohammadAG51 | morning | 08:29 |
| RST38h | tried rebooting? | 08:29 |
| MohammadAG51 | yes | 08:29 |
| MohammadAG51 | also, the vkb doesn't close with the kb out | 08:30 |
| TermanaN900 | Sounds like you'll be reflashing | 08:30 |
| TermanaN900 | Oh what joy | 08:31 |
| MohammadAG51 | sigh | 08:31 |
| MohammadAG51 | i didn't do anything | 08:31 |
| MohammadAG51 | except make a chroot | 08:31 |
| MohammadAG51 | output of df | 08:31 |
| MohammadAG51 | Filesystem 1k-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on | 08:31 |
| MohammadAG51 | that's it | 08:31 |
| RST38h | have you exited chroot? =) | 08:31 |
| MohammadAG51 | duh :P | 08:32 |
| MohammadAG51 | rebooted | 08:32 |
| RST38h | better after reboot? | 08:32 |
| MohammadAG51 | no | 08:32 |
| MohammadAG51 | same | 08:32 |
| MohammadAG51 | noticed this cause tracker fails to start | 08:32 |
| RST38h | ok | 08:33 |
| RST38h | Check out /etc/mtab | 08:33 |
| RST38h | anything interesting there? | 08:33 |
| RST38h | Than check /etc/fstab | 08:33 |
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| MohammadAG51 | mtab is empty | 08:34 |
| RST38h | bad | 08:34 |
| kerio | ln -s /proc/mounts /etc/mtab | 08:34 |
| kerio | i wonder why we keep using a text file | 08:35 |
| kerio | instead of a virtual one | 08:35 |
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| RST38h | oh, see what dmesg says | 08:37 |
| RST38h | if any partitions failed to mount, dmesg must have some messages about it | 08:37 |
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| pupnik | hey before there was winamp + goom.... who remembers "acidwarp" or "cthugha"? | 09:05 |
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| RobbieThe1st | Time to build a bootable RootFS image. | 10:15 |
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| RobbieThe1st | Hm... Just out of curiosity, what would be the best way of auto-killing the /usr/bin/browser instance once all browser windows have been closed? Finding the pid etc. is easy enough, but how would I check for open windows etc? | 10:18 |
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| X-Fade | RobbieThe1st: You know other apps use the browser too, right? | 10:19 |
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| RobbieThe1st | Yea, I suppose they do, but in my case, I simply want to kill the instance with the most CPU-time. I've found that often it stays around and reduces standby battery life | 10:20 |
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| RobbieThe1st | Yes, there's a glitch, but I'm not gonna be able to fix it | 10:20 |
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| rmrfchik | wotz new? | 10:32 |
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| RobbieThe1st | Nothing | 10:34 |
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| RobbieThe1st | Stskeeps, are you around? | 10:48 |
| Stskeeps | working :P | 10:48 |
| RobbieThe1st | Fair enough; | 10:49 |
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| RobbieThe1st | Stskeeps: I'm still working on making a bootable rootfs, and I'm pretty sure there's an error in one of those two commands on your page there. Out of curiosity, I flashed a "blank" image, with no files in it(~2mb). Same errors, different checksum. It couldn't be mounted. | 10:50 |
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| Stskeeps | RobbieThe1st: pastebin exactly what you do, please | 10:52 |
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| RobbieThe1st | Empty rootfs: http://pastebin.org/283201 Full/proper: http://pastebin.org/283206 | 10:54 |
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| RobbieThe1st | Hello | 10:54 |
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| RobbieThe1st | Stskeeps: Empty rootfs: http://pastebin.org/283201 Full/proper: http://pastebin.org/283206 (sorry, forgot to prepend your name last time I pasted it) | 11:13 |
| mcunix | someone to install Ubuntu in n900? | 11:13 |
| Stskeeps | olebrom: ls mytmpdir | 11:13 |
| RobbieThe1st | mcunix: Yea, I think someone's working on it | 11:13 |
| Stskeeps | err.. | 11:13 |
| Stskeeps | RobbieThe1st: ls mytmpdir | 11:13 |
| mcunix | RobbieThe1st i have a prblem whit the partion | 11:14 |
| RobbieThe1st | mytmpdir's my -empty- rootfs image test root folder. in the second example, you see that replaced by rootfs-main, which is my real rootfs folder | 11:14 |
| RobbieThe1st | mcunix: ? | 11:14 |
| RobbieThe1st | stskeeps: The first example was a test, to see how things change with no files | 11:15 |
| RobbieThe1st | The second link's what you want to look at, mainly | 11:15 |
| Stskeeps | RobbieThe1st: ah | 11:16 |
| Stskeeps | RobbieThe1st: ls -al rootfs-main | 11:16 |
| RobbieThe1st | Stskeeps: ? | 11:16 |
| Stskeeps | .. i'd just like to see that output | 11:16 |
| RobbieThe1st | Oh, a command. I forgot that | 11:16 |
| mcunix | RobbieThe1st I tried to install linux on the micro SD N900 is right there all ok but now I try to make a mount from my PC to the microSD lnux / mnt / mer but gives me problems and I do not do the post on | 11:17 |
| RobbieThe1st | Stskeeps: http://pastebin.org/283779 Here you go. Mind that even with no files in the rootfs, it won't mount, which is the problem I'm encountering | 11:18 |
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| RobbieThe1st | mcunix: wait, you want to mount your SD-card partition on your linux desktop? so you can access it? | 11:18 |
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| Stskeeps | RobbieThe1st: can i see your ubinize.cfg? | 11:19 |
| RobbieThe1st | Stskeeps: http://pastebin.org/283783 | 11:20 |
| Venemo | hi guys | 11:20 |
| RobbieThe1st | Exactly what's on your website, with the image path changed. | 11:20 |
| Stskeeps | RobbieThe1st: and how do you flash it? | 11:20 |
| RobbieThe1st | Hello | 11:20 |
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| mcunix | RobbieThe1st I will seve to pass from ext2 to ext3 fs and copy into it the file Wed ....- n900-.tgz | 11:21 |
| Stskeeps | RobbieThe1st: sorry if i'm a bit slow, both working and on allergy medicine so i'm well, hrm, drugged | 11:21 |
| mcunix | wed = mer | 11:21 |
| RobbieThe1st | (as root) "flasher-3.5 -r ./rootfs.img -f" (assume path's correct) | 11:21 |
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| RobbieThe1st | Stskeeps: It's fine. No worries | 11:21 |
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| RobbieThe1st | mcunix: I don't understand what you mean | 11:22 |
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| Stskeeps | RobbieThe1st: flasher -r ... -f -R at least | 11:22 |
| RobbieThe1st | Not going to matter; in the first case, it will reboot as soon as it's unplugged anyway. But, I'll try it just incase | 11:23 |
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| mcunix | i tried this guide for install linux on n900 http://www.maemoit.org/2010/02/guida-dual-booting-fremantle-e-mer-su-nokia-n900/ | 11:24 |
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| mcunix | RobbieThe1st but i have a problem whit the partion in microSD when i mount this on linux | 11:25 |
| RobbieThe1st | Stskeeps: Now, while I don't presume to know too much, the thing that strikes me most of all is an error I get upon booting: "UBIFS error (pid 1): ubifs_check_node: bad node at LEB 0:0", and "UBIFS error (pid 1): ubifs_read_node: expected node type 6". | 11:26 |
| Stskeeps | RobbieThe1st: what version of mtd-utils/ubifs do you have? | 11:26 |
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| RobbieThe1st | Stskeeps: mkfs.ubifs is version 1.3 | 11:27 |
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| RobbieThe1st | mtd-utils version's 20100706-1 | 11:28 |
| * Stskeeps tries to find his old scripts | 11:28 | |
| lxsameer | hi, does any one tried to install maemo on HTC device ? | 11:28 |
| RobbieThe1st | I'm going to try reinstalling it, just in case | 11:28 |
| lcuk | lxsameer, cross platform #maemo development is generally considered to be continuing on #meego | 11:29 |
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| lxsameer | lcuk, thanks | 11:29 |
| RobbieThe1st | Stskeeps: And... That was the issue | 11:30 |
| RobbieThe1st | wait... | 11:31 |
| Stskeeps | RobbieThe1st: hmm? | 11:31 |
| RobbieThe1st | I reinstalled mtd-utils, ended up with an older version, rebuilt my rootfs, and now it boots. | 11:31 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 11:31 |
| RobbieThe1st | Thanks! | 11:31 |
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| RobbieThe1st | Also, while unrelated, to the issue at hand, thanks for letting me know about /dev/ files being needed. I'd have run into that sooner or later, and having it work first try... :D | 11:32 |
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| RobbieThe1st | Now, time to build a new BackupMenu that does things -right-. | 11:34 |
| RST38h | A brick? | 11:35 |
| Corsac | grmbl, forgot that maemo calendar didn't really support anything but local calendars | 11:35 |
| crashanddie | "I think Microsoft named .Net so it wouldn’t show up in a Unix directory listing." | 11:37 |
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| RobbieThe1st | :P | 11:38 |
| RobbieThe1st | Probably | 11:38 |
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| MohammadAG51 | lol root was full | 11:54 |
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| dneary | amigadave, Ping? | 12:06 |
| amigadave | dneary: pong | 12:08 |
| Venemo | hi MohammadAG51 :) | 12:08 |
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| dneary | amigadave, Do you know more than me about desktop file parsing? | 12:11 |
| amigadave | dneary: nope | 12:11 |
| dneary | In particular, I'd like to document mime type handling & the URI handler group in the desktop file | 12:12 |
| dneary | And I can't find the code | 12:12 |
| dneary | :( | 12:12 |
| dneary | amigadave, What do you think of the beginner docs now? Too detailed? Better? I'm happy with them. | 12:12 |
| dneary | Now I want to go to the next level & refer people to basic tutorials | 12:13 |
| dneary | I thought there might be good places in the developer guide, but it's been hard to find good entry points | 12:13 |
| amigadave | dneary: yeah, they seems about the right level to me | 12:13 |
| amigadave | dneary: maybe http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Application_Development/Writing_a_new_maemo_application ? | 12:14 |
| amigadave | but that needs some tidying i would say | 12:14 |
| dneary | The other major thing is I don't know if we support Name[<lang code>] in desktop files | 12:14 |
| dneary | It doesn't look like it | 12:14 |
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| dneary | amigadave, I'm thinking more along the lines of small tasks you might want to do that we collect | 12:15 |
| dneary | Things like "how to call a DBus method of another application" | 12:15 |
| dneary | or "How to register a DBus service & get started on demand" | 12:16 |
| dneary | or "How to access the contacts database and add a new contact" | 12:16 |
| amigadave | i think that those require a lot of background information, and are not at all small tasks | 12:16 |
| dneary | Basically, what we were calling use-cases | 12:16 |
| dneary | Not all of them are | 12:16 |
| dneary | But they're all the kinds of things a new developer might want/need to do | 12:17 |
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| dneary | amigadave, But sure, once you've got your first hello world package up & running, you've got a long way to go to have a complete Hildon application interacting with all the system services | 12:21 |
| dneary | Also, it kind of bothers me that the docs always talk about "the .desktop file", as if that was what you called the file, rather than <application>.desktop | 12:23 |
| dneary | Butu now I'm just nitpicking | 12:23 |
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| RobbieThe1st | Little dev question: I'm going to package up the new version of my shell-script application using the python packager. On install, I need to have it copy a certain file into my dir(/usr/share/backupmenu) from elsewhere. How would I do that | 12:34 |
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| RobbieThe1st | er, nrm. I think I found it | 12:37 |
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| crashanddie | lol... I think my bank fails at math | 12:41 |
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| crashanddie | I asked for a simulation credit to buy a house | 12:42 |
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| crashanddie | "Borrowing value: 220k € -- Credit cost: 393 291.3 €" | 12:42 |
| crashanddie | Total amount to reimburse: 728k | 12:42 |
| marmoute | outch | 12:43 |
| jacekowski | 220+393 | 12:44 |
| jacekowski | + some other fees | 12:44 |
| jacekowski | and it works out | 12:44 |
| jacekowski | but that's expensive credit | 12:44 |
| crashanddie | so that's 115k in other fees? | 12:44 |
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| RobbieThe1st | Stskeeps: Quick question, what kernel module provides /sys/class/backlight/acx565akm/brightness ? | 12:59 |
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| Stskeeps | the lcd driver itself, in-built | 12:59 |
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| RobbieThe1st | TY | 13:00 |
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| dneary | thp, ping? | 13:01 |
| rmrfchik | looking for Weekly News | 13:06 |
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| RobbieThe1st | Ah, being able to build and flash rootfs images -really- makes my life easier | 13:09 |
| RobbieThe1st | No more "Oops, I made a major mistake. time to spend half an hour restoring from last backup" | 13:10 |
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| merlin1991 | RobbieThe1st, how? I would die for a link :D | 13:11 |
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| RobbieThe1st | one sec | 13:11 |
| RobbieThe1st | http://mer-project.blogspot.com/2010/01/making-flashable-rootfss-for-n900.html <- requires mtd-utils | 13:11 |
| RobbieThe1st | The only hard part is getting a copy of the rootfs files; in my case, it's not an issue as I'm working on backup software | 13:12 |
| RobbieThe1st | and so have my alpha version building it for me | 13:13 |
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| merlin1991 | thx | 13:14 |
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| RobbieThe1st | Hey, can anyone please open up an xterm and run "ldd /sbin/fsck" please? | 13:39 |
| alterego | RobbieThe1st: http://pastie.org/1229578 | 13:40 |
| RobbieThe1st | TY | 13:40 |
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| Riking7 | hi - hope you don't mind me joining thid channe!. just installed xchat and testing it out | 13:46 |
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| lcuk | Riking7 xchat on the n900? | 13:47 |
| Riking7 | yes | 13:47 |
| lcuk | its made of awesome :) hope you have fun with it | 13:48 |
| Riking7 | seems to work fine | 13:48 |
| Riking7 | thanks. only had the phone a short while and loving it | 13:49 |
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| xkr47 | ^^ | 13:53 |
| xkr47 | Riussi_, we don't mind at all :) | 13:53 |
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| andre__ | timeless, thanks for your recent comments in bugs.maemo.org, they are quite helpful | 14:00 |
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| lcuk | dinner > | 14:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer | enjoy | 14:09 |
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| RobbieThe1st | Testers needed for a new, safe version of BackupMenu! http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=844029#post844029 | 14:15 |
| RobbieThe1st | Cya tomorrow | 14:15 |
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| Myrtti | I would say "safer" until there's actual test results, though ;-) | 14:15 |
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| SpeedEvil | Well - the existing one was in principle dramatically unsafe. | 14:16 |
| crashanddie | "Copying new files: Size: bytes" | 14:16 |
| crashanddie | even though grammatically roughly coherent, that's pretty WTF. | 14:17 |
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| Myrtti | SpeedEvil: I still wouldn't go as far as claiming the new version to be safe, just somewhat safer than the unsafe one :-P | 14:18 |
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| Myrtti | but I'm a cynical bitch anyway | 14:19 |
| SpeedEvil | The new one seems to use tar. | 14:20 |
| SpeedEvil | So it should be lots safer. | 14:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer | heh, nice article: http://mer-project.blogspot.com/2010/01/on-perceived-openness-of-maemo-part-one.html | 14:30 |
| RST38h | So, what's new and exciting? Has Mohammad dug himself out of trouble? | 14:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | alas so few results | 14:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG51 was in trouble? | 14:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | well he's probably permanently in trouble :-P but anything specific? | 14:32 |
| RST38h | He has lost all the mounts | 14:32 |
| RST38h | Last time I checked anyway | 14:32 |
| RST38h | Empty df, empty /etc/mtab, etc | 14:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | ohnoes he rm -rf a chroot again? | 14:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG51: aive? | 14:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | alive even? | 14:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer | RST38h: on his maemo or on his c86? | 14:34 |
| crashanddie | MohammadAG51, reply, bitch. | 14:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | x86 | 14:34 |
| crashanddie | docscrutinizer: for a second I read that as "commodore 64" | 14:34 |
| RST38h | Oh cooool: http://bstj.bell-labs.com/oldfiles/year.1978/BSTJ.1978.5706-2.html | 14:34 |
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| RST38h | Doc: Maemo | 14:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | meh | 14:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~flash | 14:34 |
| infobot | hmm... flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 14:35 |
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| Sargun_Screen | hey, what wireless chipset is in the n900. | 15:16 |
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| crashanddie | sharpneli, wl1251 | 15:16 |
| crashanddie | Sargun_Screen, wl1251 | 15:16 |
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| Sargun_Screen | crashanddie: do you know if it can do packet injection? | 15:18 |
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| crashanddie | Sargun_Screen, the official one doesn't | 15:20 |
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| crashanddie | but there's one that was developed for the neopwn project that can | 15:20 |
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| crashanddie | though there are conflicts with the GPL, etc | 15:20 |
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| Noobmonk3y | anyone here use the qtstackedwidget? would i be able to use it so when a user swipes from the left or right it swaps pages? | 15:24 |
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| thp | Noobmonk3y: override the mouse event handlers and switch pages when you detect such a swipe? | 15:28 |
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| crashanddie | Sargun_Screen, PM | 15:28 |
| Noobmonk3y | hey thp :) - yeah i suppose thats what i want :) - today is my first day of c++ lol :P | 15:28 |
| crashanddie | no, it's your first day of Qt | 15:28 |
| crashanddie | Qt is far removed from C++ | 15:28 |
| Noobmonk3y | well at least qt creator now works, and i can get it working on my deviec! - finally an easier solution ! hehe | 15:28 |
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| Noobmonk3y | lol crash fair point | 15:29 |
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| hrw | who is Roger Sperberg? | 16:11 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | is this a quizz? | 16:11 |
| hrw | no | 16:11 |
| hrw | planet.maemo.org got flooded with his posts and most of them looks like sponsored speak | 16:12 |
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| CutMeOwnThroat | I see | 16:13 |
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| GAN900 | hrw, RogerS from ITt | 16:14 |
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| alterego | I think it's more likely he had something funky happen with his blog .. | 16:15 |
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| Stskeeps | didn't he throw a fit at some point or was that some other guy? | 16:16 |
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| RST38h | Who is RogerS and why should anyone care about his fits? | 16:19 |
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| MohammadAG51 | when was 1.3 leaked... | 16:24 |
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| Stskeeps | hm? | 16:25 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 16:25 |
| RST38h | Mohammad: Figured out the problem with df/etc | 16:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ~pr1.3 | 16:38 |
| infobot | STILL a ban'able subject, more than ever | 16:38 |
| xDaReaperx | pr1.3 is out ? | 16:38 |
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| DocScrutinizer | MEGA out | 16:38 |
| rokr1 | PR1.3 funny | 16:38 |
| xDaReaperx | lol | 16:38 |
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| rokr1 | http://hunajatehdas.net/nokia/firmware/en/model:N900 | 16:39 |
| xDaReaperx | PR1.3 developers version | 16:39 |
| rokr1 | time line is toooo funny | 16:39 |
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| rokr1 | no point of trying with PR1.3Dv | 16:40 |
| MohammadAG51 | DocScrutinizer, seems that it was leaked or somesuch | 16:40 |
| rokr1 | try Meego | 16:40 |
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| MohammadAG51 | I really want 1.3 more than meego | 16:41 |
| xDaReaperx | can my N900 cook food when i update to PR 1.3 ? | 16:41 |
| rokr1 | hey mohammad | 16:42 |
| rokr1 | thats a point to think reaper | 16:42 |
| kerio | xDaReaperx: depends on how much you overclock it | 16:43 |
| xDaReaperx | i don't OC | 16:43 |
| xDaReaperx | it's bad | 16:43 |
| rokr1 | kerio was kidding!! | 16:43 |
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| kerio | !!!!!!!! | 16:44 |
| rokr1 | reaper dont be innocent | 16:44 |
| rokr1 | :P | 16:44 |
| xDaReaperx | lol | 16:44 |
| xDaReaperx | i really didin't OC my N900 till now | 16:44 |
| rokr1 | its not gonna harm upto 900Mhz | 16:44 |
| kerio | it is | 16:44 |
| rokr1 | cool N900 @ 900Mhz | 16:45 |
| xDaReaperx | it will | 16:45 |
| kerio | 601 will harm | 16:45 |
| rokr1 | depends on the surrounding condition | 16:45 |
| xDaReaperx | i live in a hot country not good to OC | 16:45 |
| xDaReaperx | i mean Hot climate xD | 16:46 |
| kerio | rokr1: no it doesn't | 16:46 |
| kerio | ELECTROMIGRATION MOTHERFUCKER, DO YOU SPEAK IT | 16:46 |
| rokr1 | thanks kerio | 16:46 |
| xDaReaperx | wow | 16:46 |
| rokr1 | FOR TRAINING PURPOSES YOUR MESSAGES WILL BE SAVED IN LOG - Mr.Kerio | 16:47 |
| rokr1 | so any news on NeoPwn v2 | 16:48 |
| rokr1 | ?? | 16:48 |
| xDaReaperx | anyways any of you guys have scratches on your N900 screen ? even light ones ? | 16:48 |
| rokr1 | yes i do | 16:48 |
| mirr0r | i have many on my keyboard | 16:48 |
| xDaReaperx | ow | 16:48 |
| xDaReaperx | none on my keyboard yet | 16:48 |
| xDaReaperx | maybe you press the buttons with your sharp nails | 16:48 |
| mirr0r | 6 different keys already | 16:48 |
| mirr0r | yea, probably | 16:49 |
| xDaReaperx | you could get a replacement for the keypad | 16:49 |
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| mirr0r | yea, i know | 16:49 |
| mirr0r | its like 17 euro's, not expensive at all | 16:49 |
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| xDaReaperx | lol | 16:49 |
| mirr0r | but it will be if i need to buy one every month :P | 16:49 |
| rokr1 | thats good | 16:49 |
| xDaReaperx | probably you could just trim your nails , thats not expensive | 16:50 |
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| rokr1 | that would cause inflation | 16:50 |
| xDaReaperx | meh | 16:50 |
| mirr0r | hehe, i do that already | 16:50 |
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| rokr1 | when fully charged wats the Amp u guys get ? | 16:51 |
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| rokr1 | i am asking for battery | 16:51 |
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| rokr1 | i doubt my battery | 16:52 |
| rokr1 | i would like to compare | 16:52 |
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| xDaReaperx_ | wai ? | 16:52 |
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| xDaReaperx_ | how long do these batteries last ? | 16:52 |
| rokr1 | i get 1221 | 16:52 |
| rokr1 | 93% | 16:52 |
| xDaReaperx_ | ow | 16:52 |
| xDaReaperx_ | i think i get 95-97 i think... | 16:52 |
| xDaReaperx_ | if i charge wit laptop i get less | 16:53 |
| rokr1 | i asked abt N900 | 16:53 |
| rokr1 | dont show off | 16:53 |
| MohammadAG51 | bme reports shitty percentages | 16:53 |
| xDaReaperx_ | i'm not showing off | 16:53 |
| xDaReaperx_ | i was talking about the N900 myself | 16:53 |
| MohammadAG51 | ignore them | 16:53 |
| MohammadAG51 | 94 is fine | 16:53 |
| xDaReaperx_ | ok | 16:53 |
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| MohammadAG51 | Stskeeps, do you know what alsa switches i need to flip to route sound to earphone? | 16:54 |
| MohammadAG51 | i'm assuming it should be the same with M5 | 16:54 |
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| alterego | Scalable UIs in QML can be a bit fiddl .. | 16:55 |
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| rokr1 | waiting for N9 | 16:59 |
| SpeedEvil | pr1.3 works on N8, N9, N900, and n3310, as well as all iphones. | 16:59 |
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| rokr1 | any proof ?? | 16:59 |
| xDaReaperx_ | back | 17:00 |
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| * infobot takes out a cattle prod and gives rokr1 a good jolt, courtesy of rokr1 | 17:06 | |
| rokr1 | lol | 17:07 |
| * DocScrutinizer51 is pondering an autokicker with trigger regex 'pr*1*3' | 17:07 | |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | ~pr1.3 | 17:09 |
| infobot | STILL a ban'able subject, more than ever | 17:09 |
| rokr1 | lol | 17:09 |
| rokr1 | pr1.2 | 17:09 |
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| mgedmin | so, any news about PR1.*bzzzt*AAARGH | 17:12 |
| pronto | it was eaten by the monster | 17:14 |
| Jaffa | s/the monster/a grue/ | 17:15 |
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| kerio | grues don't go *bzzzt* | 17:20 |
| CodeOfSilence | goto http://tinyurl.com/348ajfj for teh win. DO IT! | 17:20 |
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| kerio | nice | 17:21 |
| sivang | mgedmin: hehe | 17:22 |
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| MohammadAG51 | hahaha, i'm running the sdk with the UI on the N900 | 17:32 |
| lcuk | pics or it didnt happen | 17:32 |
| MohammadAG51 | yo dawg, we heard you liked window managers so we put a hildon-desktop in your hildon-desktop | 17:33 |
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| MohammadAG51 | just wait a bit, N900 being raped | 17:34 |
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| kerio | MohammadAG51: so you could swap while you swap? | 17:37 |
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| mgedmin | kerio, just create a swap file in a tmpfs, which is backed by the swap partition | 17:42 |
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| kerio | mgedmin: brilliant | 17:43 |
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| kerio | compressed swapfile in tmpfs | 17:43 |
| kerio | UNLIMITED MEMORY | 17:43 |
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| MohammadAG51 | kerio, err, sure :P | 17:44 |
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| Khertan | Hi all ! | 17:54 |
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| dmj726_n900 | I wonder if Ofono is being ported to android/ubuntu yet. | 17:58 |
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| Corsac | dmj726_n900: ofono is in debian so I guess it's in ubuntu too | 17:59 |
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| dmj726_n900 | that means other os than maemo and meego should be able to call soon too, right? | 18:00 |
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| mgedmin | I heard rumours that android can make phone calls already | 18:00 |
| dmj726_n900 | or are there other driver issues? | 18:00 |
| dmj726_n900 | cool | 18:00 |
| Stskeeps | mgedmin: without audio | 18:00 |
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| cehteh | lol :) | 18:01 |
| mgedmin | who needs audio? ;) | 18:01 |
| cehteh | and sms but without text :) | 18:01 |
| SpeedEvil | MMS, only of black? | 18:02 |
| dmj726_n900 | you mean it's just the video? :P | 18:02 |
| SpeedEvil | And video, but only one still frame of RMS. | 18:03 |
| MohammadAG51 | LOL crashed my unclue's iphone | 18:03 |
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| mgedmin | "unclue" is a nice typo | 18:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | freud | 18:03 |
| MohammadAG51 | lol didn't notice that xD | 18:03 |
| dmj726_n900 | who with a clue would have one? | 18:03 |
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| SpeedEvil | Iphone - for some users - 'just works'. | 18:05 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | meh, only 2.5G in subway | 18:05 |
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| MohammadAG51 | hmm | 18:07 |
| MohammadAG51 | can't play music while installing | 18:07 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | ohnoes | 18:07 |
| MohammadAG51 | on the iphone btw | 18:08 |
| MohammadAG51 | hmm, UI is lagging, that's a first... | 18:09 |
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| njain | where do I find the codecs for the video formats not supported in my N900..? | 18:22 |
| njain | only .avi & i think mp4 are supported now. | 18:23 |
| njain | I have som videos of format mpg | 18:23 |
| Surfa | avi is just a container | 18:23 |
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| Surfa | it's not a codec | 18:23 |
| njain | ok. | 18:23 |
| Surfa | but you can find some extra codecs in extras | 18:23 |
| Surfa | there is some codec pack in there | 18:24 |
| dneary | Surfa, That's a bit pedantic :) Although of course quite true | 18:24 |
| njain | App-Manger? | 18:24 |
| lcuk | http://maemo.org/packages/view/decoders-support/ | 18:24 |
| Surfa | dneary, yes, but i still find it necessary to tell it as avi may practically be anything :) | 18:25 |
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| Surfa | lcuk probably gave you direct link, thanks :) | 18:26 |
| Surfa | but yes, with app manager you'll install them | 18:26 |
| njain | thanks guys. | 18:26 |
| lcuk | is there a rot13 video encoder ? | 18:26 |
| njain | perhaps I could do a dpkg -i? | 18:26 |
| lcuk | and what fourcc would it get? | 18:26 |
| lcuk | njain, apt-get install decoders-support | 18:26 |
| Surfa | njain, you would need .deb package | 18:27 |
| lcuk | meh | 18:27 |
| Surfa | but theoretically it would work too :) | 18:27 |
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| * GAN900 chuckles at Calling All Innovators. | 18:32 | |
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| peb | hi folks, just a curious question: iTunes is for Apple, what's "THE" phone manager for the N900 (on Linux)? I need to get away from my manual approach of managing the phone ... | 18:38 |
| ShadowJK | I don't think there's anything sane | 18:38 |
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| Corsac | what do you mean by “managing the phone”? | 18:38 |
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| peb | Corsac, I mean automatic updates of podcasts (to the phone), sync of email/contact data ... | 18:39 |
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| alterego | rsync? | 18:40 |
| alterego | :) | 18:40 |
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| peb | How do you manage podcast subscriptions with rsync, alterego? | 18:41 |
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| alterego | I thought you just said sync | 18:41 |
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| peb | does anyone of you know about CastGater? Has anyone run that on the N900? | 18:41 |
| alterego | Anyhow, I woudlnt know, I don't really use any podcasts | 18:42 |
| GAN900 | I like how they screwed up the Fremantle Stars, too. | 18:42 |
| peb | alterego, sync due to the fact that my main puter is a Debian box. But N900 is, too -- so either sync the DebianMainbox or get the stuff directly to the N900 | 18:42 |
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| power | hi,got a n900 from a russian friend,and changed its keypad to qwerty. now, if i factory reset it, 1)it welcomes me with russian,and default keyboard layout is russian. i want to get rid of that | 18:50 |
| njain | cool! | 18:50 |
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| power | hi,got a n900 from a russian friend,and changed its keypad to qwerty. now, if i factory reset it, 1)it welcomes me with russian,and default keyboard layout is russian. i want to get rid of that* | 18:51 |
| power | ops | 18:51 |
| power | if i flash it with, latest global firmware, does it make everything english by default ? | 18:51 |
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| njain | I got the vdeos working. | 18:51 |
| njain | except for 2. | 18:51 |
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| dsg | power: Global firmware will ask at first boot what language/region/keyboard to use if you flash both root and eMMC. But you'll lose all the data on the phone, so make a backup rist. | 18:52 |
| dsg | s/rist/first/ | 18:52 |
| infobot | dsg meant: power: Global firmware will ask at first boot what language/region/keyboard to use if you flash both root and eMMC. But you'll lose all the data on the phone, so make a backup first. | 18:52 |
| power | yeah,but in what language it will ask ? | 18:52 |
| dsg | Ah. In English. | 18:53 |
| power | this one is also asks,but in russian | 18:53 |
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| power | ok thats OK for me than | 18:53 |
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| power | thanks | 18:53 |
| mgedmin | mine asks in Dutch | 18:53 |
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| rokr1 | hello all | 18:54 |
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| mgedmin | I believe the country code is stored somewhere (the CAL partition?) | 18:54 |
| rokr1 | i got a problem in openvpn | 18:54 |
| rokr1 | N900 cannot get a local ip address | 18:54 |
| rokr1 | is there any special configuration files | 18:54 |
| rokr1 | ? | 18:54 |
| njain | Surfa: hey! the videos i have with .avi format don't play, sorry I gave the wrong inputs initially! | 18:55 |
| dsg | mgedmin: Ah, that could be. | 18:56 |
| mgedmin | osso-product-info should display it | 18:56 |
| rokr1 | ?? | 18:57 |
| mgedmin | hm, not really | 18:57 |
| dsg | "OSSO_PRODUCT_WLAN_CHANNEL='fcc/us'" | 18:57 |
| mgedmin | the only mention of Dutch there is in OSSO_PRODUCT_KEYBOARD | 18:57 |
| dsg | Interesting, mine has wrong values stored there | 18:57 |
| mgedmin | wlan channel is "us" here too | 18:57 |
| power | so in that case, flashing global image wont make any changes right * | 18:58 |
| * mgedmin doesn't know | 18:58 | |
| power | than ill try | 18:58 |
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| mgedmin | you can always change the language in the settings | 18:58 |
| rokr1 | anyone with successful openvpn connection over ethernet bridge | 18:59 |
| rokr1 | ? | 18:59 |
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| dsg | rokr1: Plenty, but you haven't given any info on your problem so noone wants to answer such open-ended questions. | 19:00 |
| dsg | Logs, for example, would help. | 19:00 |
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| rokr1 | i am not able to get the local ip | 19:00 |
| rokr1 | simple configuration i run tomato VPN firmware | 19:01 |
| rokr1 | i made it work in windows box | 19:01 |
| rokr1 | UDPv4 link local (bound): [undef} | 19:01 |
| rokr1 | UDPv4 link local (bound): [undef] | 19:02 |
| rokr1 | its not able to get local IP address | 19:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer | OSSO_PRODUCT_REGION='Germany' | 19:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer | What is CAL? http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=20465 | 19:03 |
| dsg | rokr1: Try adding "log /tmp/openvpn.log" to your config and see if it gets you any closer to the real cause of your problem | 19:04 |
| dsg | If you post that log (make sure to sanitize any user/password info), someone may be able to help you. | 19:04 |
| rokr1 | ok | 19:05 |
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| power | mgedmin~ dsg still in russian :\ | 19:07 |
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| power | mgedmin~ what is CAL partition | 19:12 |
| mgedmin | <DocScrutinizer> What is CAL? http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=20465 | 19:12 |
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| power | yeah, i see OSSO_PRODUCT_KEYBOARD="Russian/Latin" | 19:14 |
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| power | can anyone share me above line, (with US keyboard) | 19:16 |
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| trumee | guys, my laptop is on wifi and has bluetooth. can i get internet on N900 by tethering to laptop via bluetooth? | 19:16 |
| Noobmonk3y | trumee, yes :) | 19:16 |
| trumee | the wifi signal is too weak for the N900 so i want to tether it to the laptop | 19:17 |
| Noobmonk3y | i think via bluetooth dun | 19:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | phoenix anybody? http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=17665 | 19:17 |
| Noobmonk3y | http://myn900.wordpress.com/2010/02/04/tethered-n900-to-ubuntu-9-10-via-bluetooth/ | 19:17 |
| Noobmonk3y | trumee, there is a bluetooth dun app - not tried it - but tis possible | 19:17 |
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| trumee | Noobmonk3y: this, http://wiki.maemo.org/Debian-Tethering ? | 19:18 |
| Noobmonk3y | trumee: kinda but that seems rather specific - doesnt look like it is using the bluetooth dun app though | 19:19 |
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| Noobmonk3y | trumee: what OS have you got on the lappy? | 19:19 |
| trumee | opensuse 11.3 | 19:19 |
| Noobmonk3y | trumee: this may help? http://www.kriyayoga.com/love_blog/post.php/1203 | 19:20 |
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| Noobmonk3y | although i'm sure there is an easier way | 19:20 |
| trumee | that page is doing the opposite. i dont have 3g. | 19:21 |
| trumee | my laptop is connected to the wifi. i want N900 to access internet thru the laptop. | 19:21 |
| trumee | i dont want to use N900s modem. | 19:21 |
| Noobmonk3y | ohhhhhhhh | 19:21 |
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| Noobmonk3y | lols, doesnt the nokia suite allow that? | 19:21 |
| Noobmonk3y | internet connection sharing etc? | 19:22 |
| Noobmonk3y | actually that probably goes the other way too | 19:22 |
| trumee | no nokia suite on linux afaik! | 19:22 |
| trumee | i have usb networking working. but i wanted something mobile hence bluetooth | 19:22 |
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| Noobmonk3y | hmmm i know nothing about suse, but with windows you can do the reverse by turning your laptop into a mobile hotspot (like joikuspot does on the n900) - instead of bluetooth, you would then just be extending the wireless from your lappy? | 19:23 |
| Noobmonk3y | like this ? - http://www.connectify.me/ | 19:23 |
| trumee | Noobmonk3y: hmm. cant setup an adhoc network, because i am accessing internet on the laptop using wifi | 19:24 |
| * lcuk spills a drink on Noobmonk3y | 19:24 | |
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| * Noobmonk3y giggles | 19:25 | |
| Noobmonk3y | lo lcucky | 19:25 |
| Noobmonk3y | lcuky even | 19:25 |
| Noobmonk3y | lucucky lcuky | 19:25 |
| Noobmonk3y | :p | 19:25 |
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| trumee | this, http://www.internettablettalk.com/wiki/index.php?title=HOWTO:_Connect_to_the_Internet_using_Bluetooth_via_a_Linux_PC&oldid=2609 ? | 19:26 |
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| rokr1_ | here u go dsg http://pastebin.ca/1965915 | 19:28 |
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| RST38h | back | 19:31 |
| RST38h | PR1.3? | 19:31 |
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| MohammadAG | RST38h, sadly, yes | 19:32 |
| MohammadAG | I'm looking at the image contents right now | 19:32 |
| RST38h | "Flexible, implantable LEDs look set to start a new body modification craze" <--- yes, please, we need more light-up people | 19:32 |
| MohammadAG | http://pastebin.com/xv9aP06F <-- btw, on device sdk script if anyone gives a crap | 19:32 |
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| RST38h | Mohammad: And, let me guess, the only available translation is Arameic? :) | 19:32 |
| MohammadAG | just make an ext2 image on MyDocs | 19:32 |
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| MohammadAG | all locales seem to be in it | 19:33 |
| MohammadAG | but | 19:33 |
| MohammadAG | Qt 4.7 is in the image, in /opt (WTF?) | 19:33 |
| * RST38h starts believing that MohammadAG is serious about PR1.3 | 19:33 | |
| MohammadAG | this is not an eMMC image | 19:33 |
| rokr1 | any one who can help me ?? | 19:33 |
| RST38h | rokr1: Since you are still here, no. | 19:34 |
| MohammadAG | RST38h, RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin | 19:34 |
| RST38h | But what is your problem, anyway? | 19:34 |
| RST38h | Mohammad: =E~~~ | 19:34 |
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| o7ywsw | hey, the evopedia guide says to unzip the files onto the n9000 | 19:34 |
| MohammadAG | RST38h, you thought I was jk? lol | 19:34 |
| o7ywsw | but the wiki dump isn't zip files | 19:34 |
| o7ywsw | it is .idx and .dat files....... | 19:35 |
| o7ywsw | what's the deal | 19:35 |
| RST38h | Mohammad:I do not see any excited chatter on tmothough. One would think the lemmings would be bricking their devices in scores now | 19:35 |
| MohammadAG | RST38h, there's also a fail Qt 4.7 plugin for N900 sensors, apparently, instead of using mce and the proper closed source components, it polls /sys | 19:35 |
| RST38h | Qt people are funny | 19:35 |
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| MohammadAG | RST38h, there was enough chatter to make me find it | 19:35 |
| MohammadAG | plus a certain person on this channel | 19:35 |
| RST38h | ah | 19:36 |
| MohammadAG | RST38h, finding it is tricky, guessing the password of the RAR isn't | 19:36 |
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| RST38h | Well, it probably means the official release is not that far away | 19:36 |
| o7ywsw | any of you use evopedia? | 19:36 |
| MohammadAG | kernel is 1.7MBs, not sure if it's the same number of bytes | 19:37 |
| RST38h | Unless they bungle it again | 19:37 |
| njain | MetroMap is a nice app. but the map it has for the city I live in is old as available on pmetro.su/Maps.html... How do I update this to the current map? | 19:37 |
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| RST38h | Mohammad: Any visible fixes? | 19:39 |
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| * RST38h is stupid and cannot guess the password :) | 19:39 | |
| MohammadAG | RST38h, haven't flashed it, yet | 19:39 |
| MohammadAG | RST38h, you found the file? | 19:40 |
| RST38h | Google did | 19:40 |
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| jarkkom | it's passworded though and google translate isn't just that good sometimes :) | 19:44 |
| MohammadAG | use your head, you only need to know how people usually pass rar files ;) | 19:45 |
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| RST38h | Yea, Chinese are no different from other people in this aspect | 19:46 |
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| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, got a minute? | 19:48 |
| MohammadAG | or 10 | 19:48 |
| MohammadAG | someone's asking why dd damages mtds, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=63975&page=2 | 19:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | meh, later | 19:48 |
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| lardman | so what do we have by way of mesh networking? | 19:52 |
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| trumee | http://www.mediafire.com/?3cr25hiw0kbffzu | 19:53 |
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| trumee | no idea if that is PR 1.3 | 19:54 |
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| RST38h | Heya lardman | 19:54 |
| MohammadAG | trumee, it's illegal to share links | 19:54 |
| lardman | hi RST38h | 19:54 |
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| trumee | MohammadAG: ok. my bad | 19:54 |
| dsg | MohammadAG: In what country is that? | 19:54 |
| MohammadAG | trumee, your bad got logged too | 19:54 |
| MohammadAG | No idea, that's not the one I used | 19:54 |
| dsg | I can see it being a channel rule, but if links are illegal, you live in a fascist dictatorship. :) | 19:55 |
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| trumee | MohammadAG: i simply google with the string and that came up | 19:55 |
| FauxFaux | It's also got "2009" in. | 19:55 |
| Myrtti | trumee: you've not even tried it yourself? | 19:55 |
| Myrtti | shame on you | 19:55 |
| trumee | :) | 19:55 |
| RST38h | dsg: Not illegal bu discouraged | 19:55 |
| Myrtti | tsktsk | 19:55 |
| Myrtti | what is wrong with you people!? | 19:55 |
| MohammadAG | #maemo is the official channel | 19:56 |
| * RST38h does not know where to start with the answer | 19:56 | |
| dsg | RST38h: Yeah, suspected that was the meaning :) | 19:56 |
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| Myrtti | in other news: http://www.flickr.com/photos/myrtti/5093423467/ artichokes. | 19:56 |
| trumee | anyhow. so nobody knows whether N900 can use PCs internet via bluetooth? | 19:56 |
| RST38h | Once again, there is no such thing as "official" IRC channel | 19:56 |
| MohammadAG | 3. LIMITATIONS ON END-USER RIGHTS. | 19:56 |
| MohammadAG | You may not copy, distribute, or make derivative works of the Software | 19:56 |
| MohammadAG | except as follows: | 19:56 |
| RST38h | It is like a "website founder" which usually means a 15 year old with warts and an ego | 19:56 |
| MohammadAG | (e) Unless stated otherwise in the Documentation, You shall not display, | 19:57 |
| MohammadAG | modify, reproduce, or distribute any of the Stock Files included with the | 19:57 |
| MohammadAG | Software | 19:57 |
| MohammadAG | people should really start reading licenses | 19:57 |
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| dsg | MohammadAG: Link to software != software (not that I'm saying it should be allowed to post links here, but the use of "illegal" is clearly wrong in this case) | 19:58 |
| MohammadAG | that statement doesn't work in court you know | 19:58 |
| * RST38h checks N95 photo quality, out of morbid curiosity | 19:58 | |
| dsg | MohammadAG: Maybe not in israel :) | 19:58 |
| MohammadAG | meh | 19:59 |
| dsg | Again, countries laws differ greatly | 19:59 |
| RST38h | He is kinda correct: a URL does not necessarily equal software distribution | 19:59 |
| RST38h | And if he found a file on the Net, he is not bound by the license terms | 19:59 |
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| dsg | Yes. It's a violation of copyright law to use the image though. | 20:00 |
| dsg | But at least where I live, even downloading it would not be illegal | 20:00 |
| RST38h | But, of course, you can interpret it differently depending on how much hourly rate you charge for legal advice :) | 20:00 |
| Myrtti | can we move on? | 20:00 |
| RST38h | Yes, but do provide a topic | 20:01 |
| Myrtti | just DON'T DISTRIBUTE THE LINK AGAIN. thx | 20:01 |
| MohammadAG | sure, why are the Qt plugins retarded | 20:01 |
| MohammadAG | Myrtti, the channel is logged, so... yeah | 20:01 |
| RST38h | Well, it is not the only retarded part of qt | 20:01 |
| RST38h | Still better than alternatives, I am afraid | 20:01 |
| Myrtti | MohammadAG: nobody else needs to repeat the error ;-) | 20:01 |
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| MohammadAG | RST38h, mind posting the md5sum of /usr/sbin/bme_RX-51? | 20:02 |
| RST38h | amoment | 20:03 |
| MohammadAG | why am I asking, I haven't flashed it lol | 20:03 |
| RST38h | c2eb6586292b9afa407c307ebc4894e7 /usr/sbin/bme_RX-51 | 20:03 |
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| RST38h | That is of course PR1.2 | 20:04 |
| MohammadAG | c2eb6586292b9afa407c307ebc4894e7 usr/sbin/bme_RX-51 | 20:04 |
| MohammadAG | exact copy in PR1.3, sigh | 20:04 |
| MohammadAG | at least mce was changed | 20:04 |
| MohammadAG | LOLWTF PatternUserManual=9;1;0;1;0;0;0;0;0 | 20:04 |
| lcuk | Myrtti, those artichokes look quite nice, I would trim the bad leaves off though before cooking them | 20:04 |
| Stskeeps | pr1.3 out? | 20:05 |
| MohammadAG | Stskeeps, no, leak, as always | 20:05 |
| MohammadAG | as I noticed in the latest version of modest's git, they changed patterns in mce.ini | 20:05 |
| MohammadAG | PatternCommunicationEmail=30;1;0;b;9d80400002ff03ff02ff03ff71080000;9d800000 | 20:05 |
| Myrtti | lcuk: didn't buy any, didn't have a recipe yet | 20:05 |
| Stskeeps | MohammadAG: and it's not all over tmo? | 20:06 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 20:06 |
| dsg | MohammadAG: Would you be willing to post a diff -ur of pr1.2 and the leaked rootfs (if you already have them handy)? | 20:06 |
| Myrtti | lcuk: we looked around Tesco, Morrison etc in UK and saw none - you can imagine my surprise when I see them in my suburb shop | 20:06 |
| MohammadAG | Stskeeps, no, finding it wasn't easy | 20:06 |
| lardman | lcuk: What's this with artichokes and you were asking about red vs white vino yesterday! ;) | 20:06 |
| MohammadAG | dsg, diff of binaries? | 20:06 |
| dsg | MohammadAG: Diff will just tell you which files have changed if they're bins. | 20:06 |
| Stskeeps | MohammadAG: i just await seeing if modest is worse. | 20:07 |
| lardman | isn't there a bindiff? | 20:07 |
| MohammadAG | Stskeeps, use my SSU then | 20:07 |
| MohammadAG | modest is faster | 20:07 |
| MohammadAG | much faster | 20:07 |
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| Stskeeps | MohammadAG: i used your modest standalone at some point.. horrible experience | 20:08 |
| MohammadAG | Stskeeps, heh, why? | 20:08 |
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| Stskeeps | MohammadAG: ~6 minute waits and stalls | 20:08 |
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| MohammadAG | Stskeeps, weird, hawaii_ reported it was faster, and it is faster for me | 20:09 |
| MohammadAG | at least with Nokia Messaging | 20:09 |
| Stskeeps | well, i don't use NM | 20:09 |
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| RST38h | Naaah, I do not think that version of Modest is good to use | 20:09 |
| Stskeeps | i don't trust NM for my company mail | 20:09 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 20:09 |
| MohammadAG | Stskeeps, I think hawaii_ uses the normal slow crap | 20:09 |
| RST38h | Felt royally screwed up + cut&paste still not working | 20:09 |
| MohammadAG | Stskeeps, company mail = nokia? lol | 20:10 |
| Stskeeps | MohammadAG: no | 20:10 |
| Stskeeps | but i don't like leaving my credentials in the hands of others anyway | 20:10 |
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| * MohammadAG guesses Stskeeps's password, meego123? | 20:10 | |
| MohammadAG | MeeGo's root pass was easy to guess :P | 20:11 |
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| Stskeeps | MohammadAG: i used to use 'rootme' on maemo for a long time, and then suddenly meego 0.0 with 'moblin' instead.. and then back to 'meego' | 20:11 |
| Stskeeps | bloody confusing | 20:11 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ~pr1.3 | 20:11 |
| infobot | STILL a ban'able subject, more than ever | 20:11 |
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| trumee | DocScrutinizer51: any idea if opensuse can act as bluetooth server to give internet to N900? | 20:12 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | sorry, nope | 20:13 |
| trumee | looks like i need to stick to usb networking :( | 20:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | BT PAN | 20:14 |
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| trumee | DocScrutinizer51: with BT PAN, laptop which fetches internet via wifi can provide internet to N900? | 20:15 |
| RST38h | Finally: http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2010/10/10x1018oub234tewfdballmer.jpg | 20:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | trumee: PAN is a network, so I'd guess you can do all you're used to do with any other network | 20:16 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | wether it's wifi, usb, or BT | 20:16 |
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| Shapeshifter | when playing http://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/isslivestream.asx , hitting f turns the window green. clues? or how to play video streams using the standard player? | 20:24 |
| * SpeedEvil checjs, | 20:25 | |
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| SpeedEvil | same here | 20:27 |
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| * MohammadAG has to say | 20:28 | |
| MohammadAG | PR1.3 is awesome, just like PR1.2, in fact, it's the same | 20:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | /kick MohammadAG | 20:29 |
| * RST38h reminds everyone that the main purpose of the "channel rules" is to let people with ops kick and ban people without ops | 20:30 | |
| redeeman | i wish my wifi would work though | 20:30 |
| redeeman | bluetooth seems to be broken aswell | 20:30 |
| redeeman | and it won't go to my 3g either | 20:30 |
| RST38h | 1. Is the device turned on? | 20:31 |
| RST38h | 2. Is it set to General profile? | 20:31 |
| redeeman | kernel says timeout waiting for hardware to initialize | 20:31 |
| redeeman | general profile is for silent/nonsilent, you must mean online right? | 20:31 |
| redeeman | anyway | 20:31 |
| redeeman | i tried checking the checksums of the wl12xx kernel module and the two firmware files, they match | 20:32 |
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| RST38h | yea | 20:32 |
| redeeman | i think its hardware issue | 20:33 |
| redeeman | its also begun to sometimes not find the sim | 20:33 |
| redeeman | damn annoying | 20:33 |
| redeeman | and its weird, i haven't dropped the phone even once | 20:33 |
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| redeeman | wl1251: ERROR timeout waiting for the hardware to complete | 20:33 |
| redeeman | initialization | 20:33 |
| redeeman | that's the error | 20:33 |
| redeeman | the one thing i find curious though, once when it started doing this, a few restarts made it go online ONCE again | 20:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | OC'd device? Any time in the past or present? | 20:35 |
| redeeman | nope | 20:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | hw defect | 20:35 |
| redeeman | i have no idea how to do that even | 20:35 |
| RST38h | redeeman: ok. tried reflashing? | 20:35 |
| redeeman | RST38h: no, because i don't see how that can possibly help | 20:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | might | 20:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | you never know | 20:36 |
| redeeman | for what reason? | 20:36 |
| RST38h | redeeman: it is possible that some setting is screwed up, but as you do not know which one it is easier to reflash | 20:36 |
| redeeman | RST38h: nono, this happens at kernel level | 20:36 |
| redeeman | the kernel doesn't read "some setting" | 20:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | there could be a flopped bit anywhere | 20:36 |
| RST38h | kernel also has settings, no? | 20:36 |
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| redeeman | well the module is okay | 20:36 |
| redeeman | so its quite unlikely | 20:36 |
| Shapeshifter | when playing http://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/isslivestream.asx , hitting f turns the window green. clues? or how to play video streams using the standard player? | 20:36 |
| RST38h | at least dump your /etc and compare it with the "good" /etc | 20:37 |
| Shapeshifter | wohooops | 20:37 |
| redeeman | can i flash the kernel only? | 20:37 |
| Shapeshifter | fail up-and-enter | 20:37 |
| Macor | yawn | 20:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | redeeman: a buggy or bitrotten kernel driver might overwrite parts of other code/data in kernel | 20:38 |
| redeeman | hmm i suppose i could check all the modules as a start, but is there a way to overwrite the kernel image only with that flashing tool? | 20:38 |
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| RST38h | do check your etc first | 20:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | reflash | 20:39 |
| RST38h | it is kinda less likely that your kernel got corrupted, especially in such a specific way | 20:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | the only sane way. make a *complete* backup - for forensics - then reflash | 20:39 |
| redeeman | RST38h: if you mean my /etc, how can that in any way be responsible for a kernel thing? | 20:39 |
| redeeman | anothher thing i've noticed is | 20:39 |
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| redeeman | which is weird | 20:39 |
| SpeedEvil | kernel image corrupt will say 'checksum failed, halted' | 20:40 |
| redeeman | when the device turns on | 20:40 |
| SpeedEvil | To somewhere you can't see, and halt. | 20:40 |
| redeeman | that sliding thing with the dot things | 20:40 |
| redeeman | goes all crazy | 20:40 |
| redeeman | okay so its not the kernel image | 20:40 |
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| redeeman | as i did not expect it to be | 20:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer | it can be arbitrary pkg using arbitrary connection related resource in a 'new' way | 20:41 |
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| redeeman | hmm | 20:41 |
| redeeman | i seem to recall it happening shortly after a nokia update | 20:41 |
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| DocScrutinizer | honestly, back up / and /home completely, then reflash and see if it's gone | 20:41 |
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| redeeman | it doesn't find my bluetooth adapter it seems, but that may be because its not enabled in the gui, which i cant seem to do | 20:42 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I'd think you can't enable it because it's not found | 20:43 |
| redeeman | perhaps, but it may also be that it pokes some hw to appear in the gui | 20:43 |
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| redeeman | i don't know though | 20:43 |
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| chx | hi. I cant switch off my n900 it says device is being used via usb -- but it is not used. the cable is not plugged in any more. previously it was plugged into an ac charger not a pc. | 20:45 |
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| DocScrutinizer | weird | 20:46 |
| Goliath23 | scratchbox is pretty big and wants to be in / right? | 20:46 |
| SpeedEvil | worst-case, you can hold down the power button for over 10seconds | 20:46 |
| SpeedEvil | this will 'hard; reset it | 20:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | Goliath23: yes, indeed | 20:46 |
| MohammadAG | Goliath23, you can install it somewhere else afaik | 20:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's not exactly easy though | 20:47 |
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| chx | a few clicks fixed it | 20:47 |
| * DocScrutinizer blinks | 20:48 | |
| chx | no it just locked the screen | 20:48 |
| chx | :/ | 20:48 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, I think you can specify location in the script | 20:48 |
| MohammadAG | not sure though, can't remember | 20:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | umm, sure you can edit the scripts | 20:49 |
| Goliath23 | DocScrutinizer: and you need a debian system to upload packages to extras-devel, right? | 20:49 |
| MohammadAG | -s PATHInstall from .tar.gz to path (to e.g. /scratchbox). | 20:49 |
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| MohammadAG | you can specify a path as a parameter | 20:49 |
| SpeedEvil | Goliath23: no. | 20:49 |
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| MohammadAG | -s PATHSpecify Scratchbox installation path (default /scratchbox). for the second script | 20:50 |
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| MohammadAG | Goliath23, ^ | 20:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Goliath23: I installed friggin sb to last 5GB free / space of my Suse based system | 20:50 |
| Goliath23 | my / only has 1.8gb left | 20:50 |
| MohammadAG | not enough | 20:50 |
| Goliath23 | its a laptop | 20:51 |
| Goliath23 | sigh | 20:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah, it's utterly insane | 20:51 |
| MohammadAG | laptop here :P | 20:51 |
| Goliath23 | its a PITA to create an uploadable package vom qtcreator to extras-devel | 20:51 |
| * MohammadAG had scratchbox on his / which was 20GBs | 20:51 | |
| MohammadAG | on my old lappy | 20:51 |
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| Goliath23 | it's more complicated that the programming! | 20:51 |
| MohammadAG | LOL I need to clean shit up | 20:52 |
| MohammadAG | 22G/scratchbox/ | 20:52 |
| MohammadAG | /dev/sda5 119362224 97923444 15375452 87% / | 20:52 |
| RST38h | how familiar... | 20:52 |
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| RST38h | Goliath: why use qtcreator at all? Makefiles work just as well. | 20:53 |
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| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, #21# works | 20:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | err WUT? | 20:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | #5 lives? | 20:54 |
| MohammadAG | new phone UI | 20:54 |
| Goliath23 | RST38h: uhm qtcreator is more than .pro instead of makefiles :) | 20:55 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, isn't the syntax for diverting *21*number#? | 20:55 |
| MohammadAG | if so, they broke it! | 20:55 |
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| Goliath23 | RST38h: code completion, integrated reference, nice editor, refactoring features, etc | 20:56 |
| * DocScrutinizer sighs | 20:56 | |
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| Goliath23 | QT! ;) | 20:56 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, nvm, it actually detects if you're directing to your own number and says "Value not expected" | 20:56 |
| MohammadAG | redirecting to another number works fine | 20:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://www.mobilemania.de/facts+infos/gsmcodes.php#Rufumleitung | 20:57 |
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| Khertan | Goliath23, you can upload with maemo extras assistant | 20:57 |
| Khertan | and you didn't need a debian system to create debian package | 20:57 |
| Goliath23 | Khertan: okay. I _think_ I already hgave the package structure ready | 20:58 |
| Goliath23 | I sent an upload request (anyone here that can speed that up?) ;) | 20:58 |
| Khertan | depends on what you use, but personnaly i'm a python dev and i create my package directly on n900 with pypackager or setuptools | 20:58 |
| Goliath23 | http://buliscores.garage.maemo.org/screenshot02_png/screenshot02.png.html | 20:59 |
| Khertan | (pypackager works only for python apps) | 20:59 |
| Goliath23 | this is the app | 20:59 |
| Khertan | Goliath23, nope sorry | 20:59 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, nice, google translate thinks that page is chinese | 20:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=756257 | 21:00 |
| Goliath23 | Khertan: I created it by hand following the " | 21:00 |
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| Goliath23 | http://wiki.maemo.org/Packaging_a_Qt_application tutorial | 21:00 |
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| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, ssc=1 in default call-ui.ini now | 21:02 |
| MohammadAG | I guess the bug was fixed | 21:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | no it is not *now*! :-P | 21:03 |
| MohammadAG | true, but it was fixed :D | 21:03 |
| * DocScrutinizer prepares the kick cmd | 21:03 | |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, now now, this can't do any harm | 21:03 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, when I manually installed PR1.2 packages on PR1.1.1, I found a lot of bugs | 21:04 |
| MohammadAG | but I stfu'd about them, since it wasn't an official method | 21:04 |
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| MohammadAG | the final PR1.2 had those exact bugs | 21:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | do you think going public about it here will yield any better results - besides pourring oil into "it's LEAKED!" madness? | 21:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | ...fire | 21:06 |
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| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, I can't see any other place really | 21:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | devel ML? | 21:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | you know damn good Nokia isn't really following IRC | 21:07 |
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| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, Nokia isn't following anywhere | 21:09 |
| MohammadAG | my email is fully of WONFIXES | 21:09 |
| MohammadAG | WONTFIXes even | 21:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | I guess odds are they are following on devel ML if anywhere | 21:09 |
| MohammadAG | meh, I doubt they're following anything | 21:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer | also, usual disclaimer, you got nfc if any leaked version has anything in common with the final one | 21:10 |
| RST38h | It is not like anyone expects any crucial bugs to be fixed in pr1.3 | 21:10 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, and I agree with you on that, the image is compiled in September | 21:10 |
| MohammadAG | kernel was compiled on my bday lol | 21:11 |
| MohammadAG | Fri Aug 6 | 21:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: so, given this standard disclaimer and you notion Nokia doesn't follow anyway, please don't push the FUD and hype and madness | 21:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer | it's worth nothing | 21:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer | and you probably remember why we got... | 21:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~pr1.3 | 21:12 |
| infobot | STILL a ban'able subject, more than ever | 21:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer | which is based on a former version of ~pr.1.2 | 21:13 |
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| MohammadAG | have it your way | 21:13 |
| maybeHere | but what about ~pr.1.4? | 21:13 |
| MohammadAG | maybeHere, gline-able subject | 21:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~pr.1.4 | 21:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~pr1.4 | 21:14 |
| infobot | PR1.4 has always been a ban'able subject | 21:14 |
| RST38h | ~pr1.5 | 21:14 |
| Myrtti | CHEESECAKE | 21:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | Myrtti: with coffee? :-) | 21:15 |
| RST38h | ~cheesecake | 21:15 |
| infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, cheesecake is statistically the most popular dessert ordered in restaurants, or goozbach fuel | 21:15 |
| Myrtti | nomnom | 21:15 |
| Myrtti | DocScrutinizer: too late for me to have coffee | 21:15 |
| javispedro | there's no pr1.4, and you all know it. | 21:16 |
| javispedro | btw, morning all. | 21:16 |
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| Stskeeps | javispedro: people said there was no pr1.3~ | 21:16 |
| achipa | Myrtti: it's never too late for coffee. Too early, maybe, but never too late. | 21:17 |
| RST38h | mourning javispedro | 21:17 |
| achipa | pr1.4 mourning ... no, wait... | 21:17 |
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| kerio | was pr1.3 released? :o | 21:18 |
| kerio | i should *really* get my usb port fixed | 21:18 |
| javispedro | btw, anyone has definite docs and/or benchmarks about thumb on N900? My fingering is hovering over "//#define USE_THUMB 1" at this moment | 21:18 |
| Myrtti | achipa: at nine o'clock it definitely is too late | 21:18 |
| javispedro | *finger | 21:18 |
| Stskeeps | javispedro: won't work, will crash your problem likely | 21:19 |
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| MohammadAG | dpkg crashes on Ubuntu 10.04 with a kernel with thumb support | 21:19 |
| MohammadAG | so yeah.. what Stskeeps said | 21:19 |
| javispedro | the issue is that it does work, possibly because this is a JIT and might use a reduced set of instructions | 21:20 |
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| achipa | Myrtti: wah, only if you plan to sleep, which is known to be lame, even if sometimes biologically necessary | 21:20 |
| RST38h | javispedro: Thumb generally does not help | 21:21 |
| RST38h | javispedro: My experience shows that thumb is mainly useful when the code resides in very slow memory with 16bit interface | 21:21 |
| RST38h | javispedro: On N900, you will not see much improvement in most situations. | 21:22 |
| SpeedEvil | Or if you can fit a thumb algo into l1 cache | 21:22 |
| RST38h | But you may see lower performance due to the compiler being constrained for registers and not able to use conditional execution | 21:22 |
| javispedro | for completeness, the "app" is dosbox's JIT | 21:22 |
| achipa | hm, but doesn't it also use less space on disk ? (total thumb n00b here) | 21:22 |
| javispedro | which so far I've been shipping with the thumb jit, even on N900 | 21:23 |
| RST38h | that will depend on the quality of dosbox JIT compiler when generating arm vs thumb code | 21:23 |
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| javispedro | RST38h: and that's what I worry about. non-thumb is not the default one => less tested => worse code | 21:23 |
| RST38h | javis: compile and benchmark both | 21:23 |
| javispedro | so unless there's end-of-the-world problems with thumb on n900... | 21:24 |
| RST38h | no problems at all | 21:24 |
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| javispedro | well, ta all. | 21:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer | RST38h: ~pr1.5 is well known | 21:26 |
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| ShadowJK | RST38h, are you talking about thumb or thumbee? | 21:28 |
| ShadowJK | iirc thumbee is broken on N900's CPU, or atleast on earliest N900 | 21:28 |
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| javispedro | ah. | 21:29 |
| javispedro | that is interesting. | 21:29 |
| 45PABA6YA | hi all | 21:29 |
| javispedro | so it is Thumb2 the broken one? | 21:29 |
| 45PABA6YA | just a question : is it imaginable to have a release of maemo on N9 ? | 21:29 |
| ShadowJK | yeah | 21:29 |
| ShadowJK | 45PABA6YA, no | 21:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | where's /proc/cpuinfo from? does kernel read out actual chip revision or other hw info source for this? | 21:29 |
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| ShadowJK | Well, it'll be MeeGp-Harmattan probably, which is a kinda of Maemo/MeeGo hybrid.. | 21:30 |
| ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer, no | 21:30 |
| ShadowJK | iirc it's fed by the bootloader.. | 21:30 |
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| ShadowJK | arm doesn't have CPUID | 21:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | blargh | 21:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | k, thanks :-) | 21:30 |
| ShadowJK | i could be wrong | 21:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | Features : swp half thumb fastmult vfp edsp thumbee neon vfpv3 | 21:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | on my 'older' device | 21:31 |
| javispedro | I wouldn't trust that much | 21:31 |
| TNZ | ShadowJK : even if meego 's too late regarding the hardware ? | 21:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer | though I'd need to check ser# to decide which one was manufactured earlier | 21:31 |
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| ShadowJK | TNZ, you know nokia is going to have their own binary blobs and stuff ontop of whatever MeeGo is, so the state of mainline MeeGo probably doesn't matter that much | 21:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | both are Revision : 2101 though | 21:32 |
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| ShadowJK | check imei number | 21:33 |
| javispedro | ShadowJK: cya and thanks | 21:33 |
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| TNZ | oka thanks | 21:33 |
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| trumee | internet is full of instructions for ubuntu and redhat. maybe i should ditch opensuse | 21:40 |
| VladNistor1 | maybe you should just use maemo for everything :)) | 21:41 |
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| mikhas | shouldnt the solution be to use sth that doesnt need a whoe interweb of instructions to be useful? | 21:43 |
| mikhas | *whole | 21:43 |
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| trumee | will this be in PR1.3 or PR 1.4, https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10294 | 21:54 |
| povbot | Bug 10294: Email desktop widget does not display mails from Nokia Messaging accounts | 21:54 |
| trumee | "Tested this scenario with internal software version that will become the next public update" | 21:54 |
| javispedro | Unknown until you get week number of assumed PR1.3 | 21:55 |
| javispedro | but I'd guess so. | 21:55 |
| andre__ | trumee: I refered to PR1.3 | 21:55 |
| andre__ | as PR1.3 is not out. Hence: next update. | 21:55 |
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| trumee | andre__: cool | 21:57 |
| andre__ | :) | 21:57 |
| trumee | andre__: email headers will not be displayed. is tha NM specific? | 21:57 |
| trumee | *that | 21:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | trumee: iirc I installed on OpenSuse following mainly this http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Jebba/SDK but also a vanished that http://en.opensuse.org/Maemo5 | 21:57 |
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| andre__ | trumee, I myself don't know. So far I guessed so. | 21:58 |
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| MohammadAG | trumee, yes, Quim already confirmed NM will not have email headers in Fremantle | 21:58 |
| MohammadAG | on PR1.2, email headers work properly for non-NM accounts | 21:58 |
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| trumee | MohammadAG: non-NM accounts are not useful to me since i have NM for push mail. | 21:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | meh | 21:59 |
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| MohammadAG | trumee, fixed in Harmattan? :P | 22:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | there's no such thing like true pushmail | 22:00 |
| trumee | DocScrutinizer: i was referring to bluetooth pan instructions not SDK intsructions :) | 22:00 |
| trumee | DocScrutinizer: how does NM work by the way. Does N900 poll every few seconds? | 22:00 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, try Nokia Messaging with gmail | 22:00 |
| Corsac | DocScrutinizer: imap notify should help ghough | 22:00 |
| MohammadAG | it's epic | 22:00 |
| MohammadAG | I got an email notification as soon as andre__ replied on that ticket | 22:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | wtf? why should I do that? | 22:01 |
| trumee | MohammadAG: yes, same here | 22:01 |
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| trumee | MohammadAG: any idea how NM works? | 22:01 |
| MohammadAG | on the N900? not the same as on symbian | 22:02 |
| javispedro | MohammadAG: and what's the _definitely-it-must-exist-because-this-is-Maemo_ downside? ;) | 22:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer | see, usually 3G is behind a NAT. So all servers to receive any 'push' need to send keep alive packets frequently. Why would I want N900 do this, when I can poll pop3 every arbitrary period, config'able in modest | 22:02 |
| javispedro | 2.5h hour battery? Slower modest? It crunches your mail for dinner? It emails nasty things to girlfriends? | 22:02 |
| trumee | i am looking for a way to stop all network activity accept listening to streaming radio over 2g connection. NM and auto-update kill my little 2g connection and i get buffering in the radio player | 22:02 |
| trumee | MohammadAG: yes on N900 | 22:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | true pushmail would need support from GSM carrier | 22:03 |
| javispedro | BB-style. | 22:03 |
| trumee | is there a way to disable NM on 2g connection? | 22:03 |
| jarkkom | DocScrutinizer, well not necessarily but I guess popular service would have enough traffic that it would get noticed | 22:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | err sorry? | 22:05 |
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| MohammadAG | tbh | 22:05 |
| MohammadAG | I think NM on the N900 polls | 22:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | It has no other way to work | 22:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | see my post 2 above | 22:06 |
| javispedro | IMAP IDLE and keep a TCP connection open? | 22:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer | keep open = keep-alive = send packets | 22:06 |
| javispedro | the user wasn't going to do anything productive either way with the battery life =) | 22:06 |
| trumee | so NM is not really a real push mail service. | 22:06 |
| MohammadAG | it is, but not on Maemo | 22:07 |
| javispedro | DocScrutinizer: keep alive != polling, though | 22:07 |
| MohammadAG | on 3G it sucks anyways | 22:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | there is no real pushmail service on GSM devices, without support from varrier | 22:07 |
| MohammadAG | on Wifi, it's instant | 22:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | carrier | 22:07 |
| jarkkom | DocScrutinizer, most carriers just send SMSs to each other and assume traffic is equally split in both ways and don't charge each other anything, so if you don't need MT direction billing you can just keep on sending SMSs to any carrier that your carrier has peering agreement with | 22:07 |
| javispedro | it's still better than 1-sec polling if you want sub-sec mail notificatios | 22:07 |
| javispedro | ... but nobody wants those, eh? :P | 22:07 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, I don't see a reason it shouldn't work on wifi then? | 22:07 |
| trumee | MohammadAG: so NM doesnt eat a lot of bandwidth when polling? | 22:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | jarkkom: and how is that related to pushmail? | 22:08 |
| trumee | MohammadAG: i need to find out what kils my internet radio stream when on 2g. | 22:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | except for the obvious point you could send a SMS to make the MT poll | 22:08 |
| javispedro | trumee: pigeons between you and the cell tower? | 22:08 |
| trumee | javispedro: lol | 22:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | plus Nokia is no carrier afaik | 22:09 |
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| jarkkom | DocScrutinizer, many push mail services are SMS based, they poll your mailbox and send WAP PDU SMS to notify phone | 22:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | jarkkom: exactly. I don't see Nokia doing this, free of charge for user | 22:10 |
| dRbiG | is the hardware manufacturer really relevant here? | 22:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, I dunno - maybe they do. TBH I don't care | 22:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer | my carrier supplied pop3 account has SMS notification (plain text) on new mails. I never felt it was worth anything except the geekness factor | 22:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | in fact lately it started to annoy me | 22:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | anyway everybody using NM to 'minimize GSM data traffic' is free to fire up a tcpdump/wireshark and check if it's delivering or if it's a big hoax | 22:14 |
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| tobis87 | javispedro: In the config file rx51_defconfig, CONFIG_ARM_THUMB is not set (kernel_2.6.28-20101501+0m5). So not only thumb2 is disabled for the default kernel. | 22:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | trumee: (kills stream) gsm BTS roaming (aka tower handover)? | 22:16 |
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| tobis87 | maybe the pr1.3 kernel has the thumb patch included | 22:19 |
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| MohammadAG | doubtful | 22:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | trumee: or maybe mere variations of available bandwith (it's BTS specific and somewhat shared between all phones booked in and will drop when two are using it concurrently) | 22:19 |
| javispedro | tobis87: you do not really need kernel support for thumb | 22:20 |
| javispedro | same for jazelle. dunno for thumb2/ee | 22:20 |
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| DocScrutinizer | tobis87: kernel will most likely be what's to be found upstream, so expect no bleeding edge new things emerging with PR1.3, in kernel. All that'll be in there is upstream since long | 22:21 |
| javispedro | tobis87: the issue is that the a8 seems to have many errata, making (seemingly) thumb2 unusable. | 22:22 |
| MohammadAG | can I just rant a little bit about something not really maemo related? | 22:22 |
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| MohammadAG | why the fuck doesn't openssh-client replace an offending key | 22:22 |
| * MohammadAG is done | 22:22 | |
| javispedro | MohammadAG: fork it! | 22:23 |
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| javispedro | insecure-but-i-dont-care-ssh-client | 22:23 |
| javispedro | ; | 22:23 |
| javispedro | hm... P key in this keyboard starting to be flaky... too many printfs... | 22:23 |
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| javispedro | "President Obama to Appear on Mythbusters" Slashdot tag? "jumpedtheshark". clearly! | 22:25 |
| tobis87 | http://pastebin.com/FLCVKqfb : "flushes the branch target cache at every context switch", wouldn't this decrease the speed in general? And the binutils also have a bug regarding thumb, I read somewhere. | 22:25 |
| javispedro | a workaround, not a bug | 22:26 |
| javispedro | the bug is on the hardware, the workaround on the linker | 22:26 |
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| RST38h | ufff | 22:33 |
| RST38h | done | 22:33 |
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| trumee | DocScrutinizer: my internet radio (using mediabox) goes into buffering mode. i have a feeling that auto-update and NM kick in and start consuming bandwidth, thereby reducing the bandwidth available to the internet radio | 22:39 |
| SpeedEvil | tcpdump does not care about your puny feelings! | 22:39 |
| trumee | SpeedEvil: maybe i ought to do a dump. | 22:40 |
| SpeedEvil | I did one of those today. | 22:40 |
| SpeedEvil | I was about 0.8Kg lighter. | 22:40 |
| trumee | SpeedEvil: on 2g? | 22:40 |
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| trumee | SpeedEvil: uggh! | 22:40 |
| SpeedEvil | I tend to just use podcasts. | 22:40 |
| SpeedEvil | Well - when I say podcasts, I mean teh excellent get_iplayer to rip BBC streams. | 22:41 |
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| trumee | SpeedEvil: podcasts not a substitute for my internet radio stream | 22:41 |
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| tobis87 | you could also just use a shortwave receiver. | 22:41 |
| SpeedEvil | Fair enough - I personally don't care about a day late on stuff. | 22:41 |
| SpeedEvil | I listen to yesterdays news regularly. | 22:42 |
| ShadSEC | hey! :) | 22:42 |
| SpeedEvil | If it's important, I'll see birds falling out of the sky, and the sound of a mighty horn. | 22:42 |
| SpeedEvil | Or someone will mention it on IRC. | 22:42 |
| trumee | the radio stream i listen to is a ogg stream between 16 to 22kbps. Is that ok on 2g? | 22:42 |
| javispedro | SpeedEvil: such a nice and balanced news source! =) | 22:43 |
| SpeedEvil | It should generally be. | 22:43 |
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| SpeedEvil | javispedro: I have before now learned of world events on 4chan. | 22:43 |
| trumee | does 2.5g has enough bandwidth to cope with 22kbps radio stream> | 22:43 |
| trumee | *? | 22:43 |
| SpeedEvil | I think it was the death of an author. | 22:43 |
| SpeedEvil | trumee: 2G will do ~60kbps | 22:43 |
| Noobmonk3y | anyone here able to give me some advise on QT layouts please? | 22:44 |
| trumee | SpeedEvil: ah. cool. | 22:44 |
| SpeedEvil | trumee: I would run it, then ps/top/... when it's actually stalling | 22:44 |
| SpeedEvil | see if it is in fact auto-update or mail kicking in. | 22:44 |
| trumee | SpeedEvil: i gues i should be looking for modest and what app is for auto-update? | 22:44 |
| javispedro | apt-worker | 22:45 |
| trumee | issue is that most often i am driving when listening to the radio stream. so cant operate n900. | 22:45 |
| trumee | feels awesome to listen to internet stream in the car. | 22:45 |
| SpeedEvil | trumee: Well - turn it on now. | 22:45 |
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| rokr1_ | i have a problem... i have a successful connection but the DHCP is not working for my N900 for openvpn | 23:00 |
| rokr1_ | i have to do ifconfig tap0 up and then ifconfig tap0 192.168.x.x 255.255.255.0 | 23:00 |
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| rokr1_ | then i can connect... | 23:00 |
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| rokr1_ | is there any automated script to resolve the issue on server's end ?? | 23:00 |
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| dreamer | how can I see which firmware my n900 currently has? | 23:05 |
| VladNistor-mob | Settings - about product | 23:06 |
| VladNistor-mob | I think | 23:06 |
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| dreamer | hmm, I think I already have the latest | 23:09 |
| * dreamer still looking for some power-saving tips | 23:09 | |
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| ieatlint | maemo5 pr1.2 is version 10.2010.19-1 | 23:09 |
| ieatlint | and yeah, it's listed in the about product page | 23:09 |
| dreamer | got the auto-disconnect for wifi and the quick backlight app | 23:09 |
| ieatlint | the .00x as i recall is localised versions of it | 23:09 |
| dreamer | but only ~8-9 hours with moderate usage is not a lot | 23:10 |
| dreamer | ok, I have pr1.2 then | 23:10 |
| VladNistor-mob | That's about what i get on mine... | 23:10 |
| VladNistor-mob | 20 min of emai/writing in the moring an -20% bat :( | 23:11 |
| dreamer | 1 hour with 5 mins in a shell and it dropped 10% | 23:11 |
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| mcunix | what extent has the microSD Nokia N900? | 23:12 |
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| dreamer | I'm thinking of getting a 2nd battery to keep with me for emergencies | 23:12 |
| VladNistor-mob | Yeah, a second battery should be good :P i'm thinking of getting one once i close my longs | 23:13 |
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| dreamer | close your longs? | 23:14 |
| * MohammadAG has 3, muhahaha | 23:14 | |
| VladNistor-mob | Long position on the futures market :) | 23:14 |
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| VladNistor-mob | You must like the extra weight in ur pocket mate | 23:15 |
| dreamer | MohammadAG: 3 extra batteries? o.O | 23:16 |
| orospakr | finally got my N900 today! Trying to work out how to get Conversations/Telepathy to throb the LED when there are unread messages. Rather to my surprise, that doesn't appear to happen by default. | 23:16 |
| VladNistor-mob | Alright, so I partitioned my internal memory and now have an extra 3 ext4 partitions. Ubuntu doesn't see them :( | 23:16 |
| dreamer | hmm, does the n900 have some sort of cmos-battery? that when you take out the main battery the time doesn't reset? :P | 23:17 |
| mcunix | I have a problem..my n900 not detect microSD | 23:17 |
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| MohammadAG | dreamer, aiming for 4 | 23:17 |
| dreamer | oh, and something weird happened this morning: I transfered some files (video/audio) and the device first couldn't see them. the media-players still can't but I can play with mplayer from the commandline | 23:18 |
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| chx | what is the recommended irc client? | 23:18 |
| rokr1_ | GTG bye | 23:18 |
| dreamer | oh, and one player could see them for a bit, then couldn't see the files, but still play the old playlist with them | 23:18 |
| VladNistor-mob | Orospakr, settings notification lights. Pick your stuff :P | 23:18 |
| dreamer | chx: irssi | 23:18 |
| SpeedEvil | I like xchat chx | 23:18 |
| wmarone | I prefer xchat, others like irssi | 23:18 |
| chx | haha | 23:18 |
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| SpeedEvil | Some use pidgin | 23:18 |
| chx | i wantd to ask wherther xchat or irssi | 23:18 |
| chx | thanks :P | 23:18 |
| VladNistor-mob | I us conversations :) | 23:18 |
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| SpeedEvil | Try one. The worst that can happen is that you hate it so much you go on a killing spree. | 23:19 |
| chx | pidgin? | 23:19 |
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| chx | isnt a multi IM client like... built in? | 23:19 |
| chx | SpeedEvil: haha | 23:19 |
| joga | imo it's recommended to run the irc client elsewhere and just run ssh :p | 23:19 |
| SpeedEvil | It doesn't do IRC well. | 23:19 |
| chx | i mean, do i need pidgin ? | 23:20 |
| VladNistor-mob | At least you see more than with pidgin... | 23:20 |
| chx | for other IM | 23:20 |
| VladNistor-mob | Nope | 23:20 |
| orospakr | VladNistor-mob, heh, excellent. thanks. | 23:20 |
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| VladNistor-mob | Chx, it's nice that you have a few to pick from. I like te integration with contacts for Conversations | 23:21 |
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| chx | how do i know whether i have PR1.2? I have 10.2010.19-1.002 , there are no updates available -- but the screen does not rotate automaticlaly | 23:23 |
| VladNistor | it doesn't rotate for everything :) | 23:23 |
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| VladNistor | chx, that is PR 1.2 | 23:24 |
| chx | :( | 23:24 |
| VladNistor | Mohammad has a few apps working with rotation, like the settings and email | 23:25 |
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| VladNistor | gpodder rotates :) | 23:25 |
| VladNistor | and Conboy | 23:26 |
| Noobmonk3y | healthcheck will as soon as i figure out layouts in qt lol | 23:26 |
| VladNistor | oh, and the phone rotates :)) | 23:27 |
| VladNistor | that's nice Noobmonk3y | 23:27 |
| dreamer | VladNistor: supposedly fennec does portrait with pr1.2, but it doesn't do here either | 23:27 |
| dreamer | FF4 does though :) | 23:27 |
| Noobmonk3y | hehe :P | 23:27 |
| VladNistor | dreamer, yeah, you can turn it on in the browser too, fennec also methinks | 23:28 |
| dreamer | ok, can't find it in the setting | 23:28 |
| dreamer | FF4 is pretty sweet btw, but is a bit slow and I bet it eats memory/cpu | 23:28 |
| dreamer | (aka: power ;) ) | 23:28 |
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| chx | so like the main screen does not rotate? | 23:29 |
| VladNistor | dreamer, there was some key shortcut, cant' remember it | 23:29 |
| jarkkom | some things are bit annoying to do in Qt without writing your own layout manager, or at least I haven't figured out clean way to do things like having something that is 4x1 grid in landscape and 2x2 in portrait mode | 23:29 |
| jarkkom | meegotouch way is probably better and there was some example code for proxy layouts for qt in noka wiki | 23:29 |
| VladNistor | the desktop does not. there were some "hacks" to do it methinks | 23:30 |
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| VladNistor | but i've gotten used to landscape, can't think of using a phone any other way now :P | 23:30 |
| jarkkom | ctrl-shift-r is the shortcut | 23:30 |
| jarkkom | too bad it doesn't stick because some apps like email work just fine with that | 23:31 |
| VladNistor | dreamer, there is an option: options->settings and Enable rotation :)) | 23:31 |
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| dreamer | VladNistor: ah, indeed | 23:34 |
| dreamer | VladNistor: hmmm, let's see if the pdf-reader can as well .. | 23:34 |
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| dreamer | hmmm, it doesn,t .. that's really too bad :( | 23:35 |
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| jarkkom | it can with that keyboard shortcut | 23:36 |
| VladNistor | I would hate if the pdf reader rotated :)) | 23:36 |
| VladNistor | or maybe not? let's try it | 23:36 |
| dreamer | jarkkom: doesn't work .. | 23:37 |
| dreamer | kind of a weird shortcut anyway .. | 23:37 |
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| jarkkom | works right now on my N900, hit it only once and then close keyboard as it won't go into portrait mode with keyboard out | 23:37 |
| VladNistor | dreamer, it does work, you need to be full-screen | 23:37 |
| MohammadAG | Noobmonk3y, it might seem funny but | 23:38 |
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| dreamer | VladNistor: ctrl+shift+r ? | 23:38 |
| MohammadAG | don't ignore symbian examples | 23:38 |
| MohammadAG | he died | 23:38 |
| jarkkom | dreamer, yes | 23:39 |
| VladNistor | but i can't seem to switch pages in portrait | 23:39 |
| VladNistor | dreamer, yes | 23:39 |
| dreamer | it's almost impossible to press, but it doesn't work here .. | 23:39 |
| VladNistor | maybe you pressed it twice :)) | 23:39 |
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| dreamer | nope, not working :P | 23:39 |
| VladNistor | ok, i can go left with the pages but not right :) | 23:40 |
| VladNistor | freaky | 23:40 |
| dreamer | ah, have to close the lid | 23:40 |
| VladNistor | there you go :P | 23:40 |
| dreamer | but, then I don't have the buttons to scroll/prev-next page | 23:41 |
| VladNistor | it's the right and left part of the screen, they show up when you first go full-screen | 23:41 |
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| VladNistor | but on mine the right one doesn't work at all | 23:42 |
| dreamer | VladNistor: I mean the keyboard | 23:42 |
| VladNistor | is anyone else seeing this? | 23:42 |
| dreamer | VladNistor: with the arrows you can go to prev/next page | 23:42 |
| dreamer | VladNistor: yes | 23:42 |
| dreamer | oh wait, what? | 23:42 |
| VladNistor | yes, but not in full screen, for mine it only goes left, never to the right | 23:42 |
| VladNistor | while in portrait | 23:42 |
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| dreamer | VladNistor: here neither | 23:43 |
| VladNistor | 'tis weird this | 23:43 |
| dreamer | the pdf-reader could use some improvements | 23:43 |
| dreamer | like the fennec circles for zooming and sideways swiping for changing pages | 23:44 |
| dreamer | that would be nice | 23:44 |
| * VladNistor agrees | 23:44 | |
| * VladNistor finds himself circling in pdf and wonders why it doesn't work | 23:45 | |
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| * wmarone wishes he had the urge to rewrite mediabox in c++ | 23:47 | |
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| VladNistor | mediabox is interesting, i was trying it out yesterday. the interface is not consistent though, sometimes you use the top to go back, sometimes the arrow :) | 23:48 |
| wmarone | yeah | 23:48 |
| wmarone | but it actually sorts things properly when you're using asian characters | 23:49 |
| GAN900 | timsamoff is a liar. | 23:49 |
| VladNistor | that I have not tried (the asian charecters) | 23:49 |
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| wmarone | but if you throw a large playlist at it, it'll peg the cpu doing who knows what on song changes | 23:49 |
| wmarone | and the memory usage is crazy | 23:49 |
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| VladNistor | yup, that's why I decided to keep with the default for now, still looking for alternatives | 23:50 |
| VladNistor | but once rewritten it could be awesome :P | 23:50 |
| wmarone | the original decided to stop listing any songs at all fo rme | 23:50 |
| wmarone | and it won't until I reboot it, which is more than a little annoying | 23:51 |
| * wmarone wonders why modest is using 50% of the cpu when it doesn't bother to actually download messages every 5 minutes like it used to | 23:51 | |
| VladNistor | i would kick it if I were you | 23:51 |
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| wmarone | I should see if there's a profiling tool for python, and run MediaBox through it | 23:52 |
| VladNistor | i use mohammad's repackaged one and the cpu hogging is lower now, much more responsive. there are a few bugs though | 23:52 |
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| wmarone | I should grab that | 23:52 |
| wmarone | breaking MfE is no longer of concern to me | 23:52 |
| VladNistor | you just need to set sending messages to text mode and it will send attachments too, otherwise it's just empty emails, lol | 23:53 |
| javispedro | GAN900: which TMO thread did you read? :) | 23:54 |
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| GAN900 | javispedro, the one where he says the chair doesn't get special info. | 23:56 |
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