IRC log of #maemo for Monday, 2010-10-18

Corsacgimme karma!00:00
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prontodoes anyone know how to make the camera have a timer?00:03
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kpomansomeone did plug any USB device on its nokia ?00:12
kpomanhelp00:13
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DocScrutinizer51~karma corsac00:35
infobotcorsac has karma of 100:35
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DocScrutinizer51kpoman: ~hostmode00:36
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DocScrutinizer51~hostmode00:37
infoboti guess hostmode is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=824197#post82419700:37
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alteregoI wonder what Nokia's plans are for updating Qt on the N8 et al Symbian devices.00:51
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alteregoCan't wait for Qt 4.7 in PR1.3 ..00:58
alteregoGonna make writting little apps so much more fun :D00:58
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alteregoAnyhow, bed time, g'night folks.00:58
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timeless_mbpf0rkb0mb: how would i use it?01:12
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f0rkb0mbtimeless_mbp: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HblSL0hG6Wg01:23
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f0rkb0mbdont expect a huge range, i need to stand 2m in front of my tv, which makes it totally useless for me01:24
logisistwhy is "Sent" in each account showing the same message I sent from one account?01:25
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timeless_mbpf0rkb0mb: as long as i don't need to teach it01:34
timeless_mbpbecause i don't think my original remote works01:34
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DocScrutinizer51timeless_mbp: there's a lirc controller def for almost every IT reco chip available01:42
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DocScrutinizer51timeless_mbp: I found most predefined IRrecos rather 'test' though - so I decided to create an ow test :-) may be you like to base your own design on some ideas in there01:44
DocScrutinizer51look for TV LG jr*_1/201:45
timeless_mbpwhere would i find DVR in the list?01:45
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DocScrutinizer51no idea01:46
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DocScrutinizer51maybe  DVD?01:51
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DocScrutinizer51or your appliances brand01:52
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johnxah the fun or IR transmitters01:53
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pupnikcan N900 gfx run in palletted mode?  :)  8 or more bit CLUT? :D01:54
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DocScrutinizertimeless_mbp: check yesterday's chanlog for how to tune lirc IR carrier frequency in (grepstring:) lircd.conf rsp included file01:58
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DocScrutinizeralas this didn't change my experience with N900 CIR, just like said above: range = ~2m to TV02:00
DocScrutinizermaybe 3 with good aiming and luck02:00
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hawaii_yo02:01
DocScrutinizerseems there's actually something fishy with the IR LED plus associated hardware02:01
hawaii_pants.02:03
cehtehsignal noise or underpowered?02:04
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DocScrutinizerunderpowered, poor on/off ratio, maybe instable carrier freq (had to scrutinize the rx51-lirc.ko source - or whateverthename)02:05
DocScrutinizerwrong IR wavelength, poor design of aperture glass, who knows02:06
ajf_I think I need to hold it 3 metres away from the edge of the atmosphere to get a GPS fix in a useful time02:06
ajf_:(02:06
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DocScrutinizerlol02:07
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DocScrutinizeryou got a sim with valid registration, booked in to carrier? plus some connectivity to the internets? enabled assisted mode?02:08
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DocScrutinizershould be less than 20s then for TTFF02:08
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DocScrutinizeras long as you're not indoors02:09
DocScrutinizerkeep in mind most apps give up and stop GPS if no fix after 60s02:09
hawaii_I can get a fix in mere seconds.02:10
johnxI must live in some sort of N900 paradise02:10
ajf_think I had all of those things, there were quite a few tall buildings but not that many (Bristol)02:10
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johnxI had a fix inside by the time google maps was done loading (over wifi)02:11
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DocScrutinizerfor proper tests you'll want to use location test app02:11
johnxgranted it can be up to 30 seconds in other situations, and without cell service it tends to just give up02:11
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ajf_maybe it was ovi maps, but the GPS icon was flashing while it said looking for gps so thought it was looking02:11
ajf_I have the same problem in London too02:12
DocScrutinizerthat's a lie02:12
DocScrutinizerit says it's looking for GPS but in fact gave up02:12
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DocScrutinizeruse Location Test02:12
ajf_damn you ovi maps, fair enough then :)02:12
DocScrutinizerit doesn't give up, and yields proper info what's going on02:13
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kerionever give up02:13
keriotrust your instincts02:13
DocScrutinizergpsjini recently annoyed me02:14
timeless_mbpok, irreco works02:14
DocScrutinizer\o/02:14
timeless_mbpi have a minimal remote with most of the buttons i need02:14
timeless_mbpterrible range02:14
DocScrutinizeryep02:14
timeless_mbpbut better than nothing02:14
DocScrutinizersometimes, sometimes02:15
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timeless_mbpit needs support for portrait mode.02:17
DocScrutinizerstandingatthemachineverydayforallmylifeimusedtodoitandineedititstheonlythingiwantitsjustaRUSH RUSH RUSH02:17
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DocScrutinizersometimes - sometimes02:18
* johnx just has horrible luck with set-top boxes, let alone their remotes02:19
DocScrutinizerhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3lF262d38Vo&list=QL&feature=BF02:19
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timeless_mbpjohnx: right02:23
timeless_mbpi want someone to help me find a DVR that doesn't *SUCK*02:23
DocScrutinizernah, the 1983 version is definitely better02:24
DocScrutinizercurse remixes02:24
* SpeedEvil ponders.02:24
* johnx agrees with DocScrutinizer. timeless_mbp, just get a VCR02:24
timeless_mbpBetaMax?02:25
timeless_mbpthe 1988 VCR from the US was smarter than the DVRs available here in .FI02:25
DocScrutinizerYEAH!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FKx36PZdzwg&feature=related02:25
timeless_mbp(vcrs can record a program 5 days a week...)02:25
SpeedEvilhmm02:25
timeless_mbpand a 1991 or so VCR supported program code recording02:26
timeless_mbpwhereas the insane DVRs here can't deal w/ stupid 5-45 minute shifts in programming02:26
SpeedEviltimeless: myth?02:26
timeless_mbpeven though they *know* the name of the programs02:26
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timeless_mbpSpeedEvil:  i don't want to pay 1000EUR02:26
timeless_mbpfind me a solution that's <250EUR02:27
timeless_mbpi have a G5 power mac02:27
johnxcancel your cable, buy a google tv02:27
timeless_mbpand a 1998 era pc (and a 1999 era pc)02:27
timeless_mbpjohnx: how does that work?02:27
johnxdunno. I need you to buy one and tell me02:27
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johnxI guess you buy or rent DRMed stuff from amazon and netflix02:28
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johnxthings that aren't a solution: anything from seagate02:28
timeless_mbpi want to watch: Grey's Anatomy, Dexter, House, Numb3rs, ...02:28
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johnxnew episodes or old ones?02:32
DocScrutinizerWESTBAM, hmmm...02:33
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johnxtimeless_mbp, get an appleTV. I'm curious if it doesn't suck anyways, so make sure you review it02:38
timeless_mbpjohnx: on most series i'm about 1 1/2 seasons behind02:39
timeless_mbpbecause finland is at least 1 season behind02:39
timeless_mbpi do not want to have to pay for each series02:40
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johnxI started making a spreadsheet at one point, but I gave up on the DVR idea and I'm thinking I'll just pay up to 'the man' on a per show basis02:40
timeless_mbpand i'm not really willing to pay much more than 0.10 USD per episode02:40
pupnikyou guys might like this:02:40
pupnikFlexible computer credit card with software-rewriteable strip and led indicators + display ..... ..... .....  http://173.192.209.77/videos43ll/78f81d327fe3c0b235e97d41ec8a0c65_card.flv.mp402:40
johnxdo you get cable?02:40
timeless_mbpjohnx: yes02:40
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johnxand how much does it cost per month?02:40
timeless_mbpthe problem is that my DVR and its Remote are flaky02:41
timeless_mbpjohnx: apparently very little02:41
timeless_mbpit's not much of a "plan", it's some sort of "slightly more than aerial"02:41
johnxso you actually watch enough TV that you end up paying 10c an episode?02:41
johnxand how much time do you spend hacking up your DVR to work? how much is your time worth?02:42
timeless_mbpwhen i complained that my DVR was breaking/broken they tried to say i wasn't paying anything02:42
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timeless_mbpbut then noted that i was paying something02:42
timeless_mbpjohnx: i probably watch 20 hours a week i guess02:42
* timeless_mbp ponders02:42
johnxgah02:42
timeless_mbpgrey's, ncis, ncis, numbers, house,02:42
timeless_mbpthe dvr is recording so i can't ask for a menu02:43
nox-is your cable encrypted?02:44
timeless_mbpthere's a card in my dvr02:45
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timeless_mbpso i think so02:45
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nox-well if its ci you _might_ still get it working with a pc...02:47
nox-(assuming its digital)02:48
DocScrutinizerflv.mp4 >:-(02:48
timeless_mbpit's digital02:48
DocScrutinizermeh02:48
nox-http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_Interface02:49
timeless_mbpalso Eureka02:52
timeless_mbpthe Good Wife02:52
nox-you'd need a dvb card with ci slot and a module thats compatible with your card, then you probably could use even linux software like vdr02:53
* nox- uses vdr too, tho only for fta channels02:53
nox-(i have neither cable nor paytv...)02:54
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timeless_mbpnox-: price tag?02:54
nox-not sure but i suspect it would be < 250eur02:55
nox-(if you already have the pc)02:55
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timeless_mbppc dates to 2004 (g5) or 98/99 (p2/p3)03:00
nox-well, at least hdtv might then be a problem :)03:02
johnxif you just want to record without transcoding and playback somewhere else it might not be bad03:04
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nox-true03:04
johnxlast time I did this I had analog cable ...03:04
johnxwhat a *&#$ing nightmare03:04
pupnikstill happy with maemo nox- ?03:04
nox-recording dvb hdtv is not a problem, just playing hd h264...03:05
pupnikoh yes03:05
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nox-pupnik, i dont expect miracles, so yes :)03:06
pupniki should have ignored the annoyances more03:07
nox-:)03:07
DocScrutinizeronline-vdr?03:07
nox-DocScrutinizer, what do you mean?03:07
nox-oh, playback via streamdev etc?  sure thats possible03:08
nox-webinterface too03:08
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DocScrutinizerhttp://www.onlinetvrecorder.com/03:09
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timeless_mbpso...03:17
timeless_mbpabout irreco03:17
timeless_mbpthe remote i have has buttons for <show recorded programs>, <fast forward>, <rewind>, <play>, <pause>03:18
jpinx-eeepcit's Qtirreco isn't it?03:18
timeless_mbpthe thing i'm using doesn't seem to have those03:18
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nox-jpinx-eeepc, no irreco is still alive too03:18
hawaii_qtIrreco is a Qt frontend to irreco.03:18
timeless_mbpit claims Irreco 0.8.1103:18
jpinx-eeepcfairysnuff - I just installed the qt version...03:18
timeless_mbpi don't think this is related to the UI03:19
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timeless_mbpit seems to be related to the data available for the remote i picked03:19
jpinx-eeepclet's see if it'll run the model helicopter03:19
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timeless_mbpwhat does an Irreco "theme" do?03:22
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timeless_mbpok, so, how is the theme used in irreco?03:37
nox-probably just eyecandy03:37
timeless_mbpand where are my remotes saved?03:38
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* timeless_mbp sighs03:40
* timeless_mbp finds the way to use the theme03:40
timeless_mbpboy this sucks03:40
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andrewfblackLooking for help tethering my N900 to a iden phone using Bluetooth DUN03:43
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DocScrutinizertimeless_mbp: theme means button icons03:45
DocScrutinizerthe commands are all listed when you edit or create new button, in the middle section for the button03:46
DocScrutinizerthe names should be self explaining03:46
DocScrutinizeriden?03:47
timeless_mbp… so where does the file i'm editing live?03:47
DocScrutinizertimeless_mbp: the available commands are defined in the lirc part03:47
andrewfblackDocScrutinizer: yeah iden is only phone I have that works at work, and since I got promoted I had to give back my company phone03:48
timeless_mbpand is the file i'm making compatible w/ the qt version03:48
timeless_mbpDocScrutinizer: yeah yeah03:48
timeless_mbpbut i'm building a remote03:48
timeless_mbpwhere the heck does that file live on disk"?03:48
DocScrutinizertimeless_mbp: there's ~user/.irreco/*03:48
DocScrutinizer/etc/lircd.conf03:48
DocScrutinizer/etc/lirc.d/*03:49
timeless_mbpand does the Qt version suck less?03:49
DocScrutinizerans ome shit on MyDocs/.irreco03:49
timeless_mbpsomeone was not very sensible about how the editing works03:49
DocScrutinizerdon't think so03:49
timeless_mbpyou tap on a button and it either randomly moves03:49
DocScrutinizeryes, editing sucks03:49
timeless_mbpor maybe you get a context menu03:49
timeless_mbpw/ tiny buttons03:49
DocScrutinizerwell, the config files are all plain text ;-D03:50
DocScrutinizertimeless_mbp: I'm sure you'll have no problems to figure it03:50
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DocScrutinizerthe commands and lirc backend hw specs are on MyDocs, the file is linked from /etc/lircd.conf03:51
DocScrutinizers/link/include03:52
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DocScrutinizerthe layout is in ~user/.irreco/*.layout or somesuch03:52
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DocScrutinizerlooking at the mtimes also helps03:53
andrewfblackno one using there n900 without a sim card?  guess I will start uing n810 at work I'm still not sure why they didn't leave the gui to set this up on n90003:55
derfI use my N900 without a SIM card.03:55
andrewfblackderf: you use it with another phone or just wifi?03:56
derfJust wifi.03:56
andrewfblackderf: k03:56
DocScrutinizerone just wifi, one as a phone03:57
DocScrutinizererr, make that "one just wifi and usb hostmode"03:57
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timeless_mbphey03:59
timeless_mbpis there an Apple Remote profile for iireco? :)03:59
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andrewfblackcan you get internet on N900 from a computer with a bluetooth connection04:01
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timeless_mbpyou mean BT PAN?04:05
timeless_mbphttp://wiki.maemo.org/Bluetooth_PAN04:05
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* timeless_mbp sighs04:09
timeless_mbpis Qt Irreco under development?04:10
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timeless_mbpooh, Qt Irreco has a fingerable download remote dialog04:14
timeless_mbp(barely)04:14
timeless_mbpqt irreco's category is bad04:19
timeless_mbpeww, it uses system modal dialogs04:23
* pupnik ponders04:30
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TermanaN900good morning07:25
pupnikTermanaN900: did you get meego running on HTC?07:26
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TermanaN900pupnik, On the Desire? Yes I have the Handset UX booting and working GPRS07:27
pupniksweet07:27
pupnikweren't video drivers terribly difficult?07:27
TermanaN900pupnik, using software rendering at the moment. Not really slow as slow as you would expect. I have a video up to show the speed07:28
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TermanaN900not really as slow as you*07:28
pupnikahh ok.07:29
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pupnikjust wondering where one would find if gfx drivers were available07:29
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TermanaN900Since you can't really use the Android ones, we found a development board that uses xorg and has GLESv2 drivers with the same GPU. Need to port the kernel driver for it though and then there is still no guarentee it will work.07:32
pupnikwow07:33
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SpeedEvilneat TermanaN90007:51
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RobbieThe1stHi all07:56
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TermanaN900hello RobbieThe1st07:57
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MohammadAG51the fuck08:27
MohammadAG51my N900 has 0 mount point with "mount"08:28
MohammadAG51and nothing shows in df08:28
TermanaN900good morning to you to MohammadAG5108:28
TermanaN900:p08:28
MohammadAG51anything interesting on tmo?08:28
RST38hNo.08:28
TermanaN900too*08:28
RST38hand good morning,too.08:28
MohammadAG51morning08:29
RST38htried rebooting?08:29
MohammadAG51yes08:29
MohammadAG51also, the vkb doesn't close with the kb out08:30
TermanaN900Sounds like you'll be reflashing08:30
TermanaN900Oh what joy08:31
MohammadAG51sigh08:31
MohammadAG51i didn't do anything08:31
MohammadAG51except make a chroot08:31
MohammadAG51output of df08:31
MohammadAG51Filesystem           1k-blocks      Used Available Use% Mounted on08:31
MohammadAG51that's it08:31
RST38hhave you exited chroot? =)08:31
MohammadAG51duh :P08:32
MohammadAG51rebooted08:32
RST38hbetter after reboot?08:32
MohammadAG51no08:32
MohammadAG51same08:32
MohammadAG51noticed this cause tracker fails to start08:32
RST38hok08:33
RST38hCheck out /etc/mtab08:33
RST38hanything interesting there?08:33
RST38hThan check /etc/fstab08:33
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MohammadAG51mtab is empty08:34
RST38hbad08:34
kerioln -s /proc/mounts /etc/mtab08:34
kerioi wonder why we keep using a text file08:35
kerioinstead of a virtual one08:35
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RST38hoh, see what dmesg says08:37
RST38hif any partitions failed to mount, dmesg must have some messages about it08:37
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keriofuck mtab08:46
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pupnikhey before there was winamp + goom.... who remembers "acidwarp" or "cthugha"?09:05
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RobbieThe1stTime to build a bootable RootFS image.10:15
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RobbieThe1stHm... Just out of curiosity, what would be the best way of auto-killing the /usr/bin/browser instance once all browser windows have been closed? Finding the pid etc. is easy enough, but how would I check for open windows etc?10:18
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X-FadeRobbieThe1st: You know other apps use the browser too, right?10:19
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RobbieThe1stYea, I suppose they do, but in my case, I simply want to kill the instance with the most CPU-time. I've found that often it stays around and reduces standby battery life10:20
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RobbieThe1stYes, there's a glitch, but I'm not gonna be able to fix it10:20
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rmrfchikwotz new?10:32
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RobbieThe1stNothing10:34
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RobbieThe1stStskeeps, are you around?10:48
Stskeepsworking :P10:48
RobbieThe1stFair enough;10:49
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RobbieThe1stStskeeps: I'm still working on making a bootable rootfs, and I'm pretty sure there's an error in one of those two commands on your page there. Out of curiosity, I flashed a "blank" image, with no files in it(~2mb). Same errors, different checksum. It couldn't be mounted.10:50
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StskeepsRobbieThe1st: pastebin exactly what you do, please10:52
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RobbieThe1stEmpty rootfs: http://pastebin.org/283201 Full/proper: http://pastebin.org/28320610:54
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RobbieThe1stHello10:54
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RobbieThe1stStskeeps: Empty rootfs: http://pastebin.org/283201 Full/proper: http://pastebin.org/283206 (sorry, forgot to prepend your name last time I pasted it)11:13
mcunixsomeone to install Ubuntu in n900?11:13
Stskeepsolebrom: ls mytmpdir11:13
RobbieThe1stmcunix: Yea, I think someone's working on it11:13
Stskeepserr..11:13
StskeepsRobbieThe1st: ls mytmpdir11:13
mcunixRobbieThe1st i have a prblem whit the partion11:14
RobbieThe1stmytmpdir's my -empty- rootfs image test root folder. in the second example, you see that replaced by rootfs-main, which is my real rootfs folder11:14
RobbieThe1stmcunix: ?11:14
RobbieThe1ststskeeps: The first example was a test, to see how things change with no files11:15
RobbieThe1stThe second link's what you want to look at, mainly11:15
StskeepsRobbieThe1st: ah11:16
StskeepsRobbieThe1st: ls -al rootfs-main11:16
RobbieThe1stStskeeps: ?11:16
Stskeeps.. i'd just like to see that output11:16
RobbieThe1stOh, a command. I forgot that11:16
mcunixRobbieThe1st I  tried to install linux on the micro SD N900 is right there all ok but now I try to make a mount from my PC to the microSD lnux / mnt / mer but gives me problems and I do not do the post on11:17
RobbieThe1stStskeeps: http://pastebin.org/283779 Here you go. Mind that even with no files in the rootfs, it won't mount, which is the problem I'm encountering11:18
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RobbieThe1stmcunix: wait, you want to mount your SD-card partition on your linux desktop? so you can access it?11:18
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StskeepsRobbieThe1st: can i see your ubinize.cfg?11:19
RobbieThe1stStskeeps: http://pastebin.org/28378311:20
Venemohi guys11:20
RobbieThe1stExactly what's on your website, with the image path changed.11:20
StskeepsRobbieThe1st: and how do you flash it?11:20
RobbieThe1stHello11:20
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mcunixRobbieThe1st I will seve to pass from ext2 to ext3 fs and copy into it the file Wed ....- n900-.tgz11:21
StskeepsRobbieThe1st: sorry if i'm a bit slow, both working and on allergy medicine so i'm well, hrm, drugged11:21
mcunixwed = mer11:21
RobbieThe1st(as root) "flasher-3.5 -r ./rootfs.img -f" (assume path's correct)11:21
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RobbieThe1stStskeeps: It's fine. No worries11:21
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RobbieThe1stmcunix: I don't understand what you mean11:22
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StskeepsRobbieThe1st: flasher -r ... -f -R at least11:22
RobbieThe1stNot going to matter; in the first case, it will reboot as soon as it's unplugged anyway. But, I'll try it just incase11:23
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mcunixi tried this guide for install linux on  n900 http://www.maemoit.org/2010/02/guida-dual-booting-fremantle-e-mer-su-nokia-n900/11:24
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mcunixRobbieThe1st but i have a problem whit the partion in microSD when i mount this on linux11:25
RobbieThe1stStskeeps: Now, while I don't presume to know too much, the thing that strikes me most of all is an error I get upon booting: "UBIFS error (pid 1): ubifs_check_node: bad node at LEB 0:0", and "UBIFS error (pid 1): ubifs_read_node: expected node type 6".11:26
StskeepsRobbieThe1st: what version of mtd-utils/ubifs do you have?11:26
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RobbieThe1stStskeeps: mkfs.ubifs is version 1.311:27
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RobbieThe1stmtd-utils version's 20100706-111:28
* Stskeeps tries to find his old scripts11:28
lxsameerhi, does any one tried to install maemo on HTC device ?11:28
RobbieThe1stI'm going to try reinstalling it, just in case11:28
lcuklxsameer, cross platform #maemo development is generally considered to be continuing on #meego11:29
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lxsameerlcuk, thanks11:29
RobbieThe1stStskeeps: And... That was the issue11:30
RobbieThe1stwait...11:31
StskeepsRobbieThe1st: hmm?11:31
RobbieThe1stI reinstalled mtd-utils, ended up with an older version, rebuilt my rootfs, and now it boots.11:31
Stskeepsah11:31
RobbieThe1stThanks!11:31
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RobbieThe1stAlso, while unrelated, to the issue at hand, thanks for letting me know about /dev/ files being needed. I'd have run into that sooner or later, and having it work first try... :D11:32
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RobbieThe1stNow, time to build a new BackupMenu that does things -right-.11:34
RST38hA brick?11:35
Corsacgrmbl, forgot that maemo calendar didn't really support anything but local calendars11:35
crashanddie"I think Microsoft named .Net so it wouldn’t show up in a Unix directory listing."11:37
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RobbieThe1st:P11:38
RobbieThe1stProbably11:38
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MohammadAG51lol root was full11:54
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dnearyamigadave, Ping?12:06
amigadavedneary: pong12:08
Venemohi MohammadAG51 :)12:08
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dnearyamigadave, Do you know more than me about desktop file parsing?12:11
amigadavedneary: nope12:11
dnearyIn particular, I'd like to document mime type handling & the URI handler group in the desktop file12:12
dnearyAnd I can't find the code12:12
dneary:(12:12
dnearyamigadave, What do you think of the beginner docs now? Too detailed? Better? I'm happy with them.12:12
dnearyNow I want to go to the next level & refer people to basic tutorials12:13
dnearyI thought there might be good places in the developer guide, but it's been hard to find good entry points12:13
amigadavedneary: yeah, they seems about the right level to me12:13
amigadavedneary: maybe http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Application_Development/Writing_a_new_maemo_application ?12:14
amigadavebut that needs some tidying i would say12:14
dnearyThe other major thing is I don't know if we support Name[<lang code>] in desktop files12:14
dnearyIt doesn't look like it12:14
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dnearyamigadave, I'm thinking more along the lines of small tasks you might want to do that we collect12:15
dnearyThings like "how to call a DBus method of another application"12:15
dnearyor "How to register a DBus service & get started on demand"12:16
dnearyor "How to access the contacts database and add a new contact"12:16
amigadavei think that those require a lot of background information, and are not at all small tasks12:16
dnearyBasically, what we were calling use-cases12:16
dnearyNot all of them are12:16
dnearyBut they're all the kinds of things a new developer might want/need to do12:17
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dnearyamigadave, But sure, once you've got your first hello world package up & running, you've got a long way to go to have a complete Hildon application interacting with all the system services12:21
dnearyAlso, it kind of bothers me that the docs always talk about "the .desktop file", as if that was what you called the file, rather than <application>.desktop12:23
dnearyButu now I'm just nitpicking12:23
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RobbieThe1stLittle dev question: I'm going to package up the new version of my shell-script application using the python packager. On install, I need to have it copy a certain file into my dir(/usr/share/backupmenu) from elsewhere. How would I do that12:34
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RobbieThe1ster, nrm. I think I found it12:37
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crashanddielol... I think my bank fails at math12:41
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crashanddieI asked for a simulation credit to buy a house12:42
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crashanddie"Borrowing value: 220k € -- Credit cost: 393 291.3 €"12:42
crashanddieTotal amount to reimburse: 728k12:42
marmouteoutch12:43
jacekowski220+39312:44
jacekowski+ some other fees12:44
jacekowskiand it works out12:44
jacekowskibut that's expensive credit12:44
crashanddieso that's 115k in other fees?12:44
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RobbieThe1stStskeeps: Quick question, what kernel module provides /sys/class/backlight/acx565akm/brightness ?12:59
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Stskeepsthe lcd driver itself, in-built12:59
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RobbieThe1stTY13:00
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dnearythp, ping?13:01
rmrfchiklooking for Weekly News13:06
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RobbieThe1stAh, being able to build and flash rootfs images -really- makes my life easier13:09
RobbieThe1stNo more "Oops, I made a major mistake. time to spend half an hour restoring from last backup"13:10
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merlin1991RobbieThe1st, how? I would die for a link :D13:11
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RobbieThe1stone sec13:11
RobbieThe1sthttp://mer-project.blogspot.com/2010/01/making-flashable-rootfss-for-n900.html <- requires mtd-utils13:11
RobbieThe1stThe only hard part is getting a copy of the rootfs files; in my case, it's not an issue as I'm working on backup software13:12
RobbieThe1stand so have my alpha version building it for me13:13
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RobbieThe1stHey, can anyone please open up an xterm and run "ldd /sbin/fsck" please?13:39
alteregoRobbieThe1st: http://pastie.org/122957813:40
RobbieThe1stTY13:40
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Riking7hi - hope you don't mind me joining thid channe!. just installed xchat and testing it out13:46
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lcuk Riking7 xchat on the n900?13:47
Riking7yes13:47
lcukits made of awesome :) hope you have fun with it13:48
Riking7seems to work fine13:48
Riking7thanks. only had the phone a short while and loving it13:49
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xkr47^^13:53
xkr47Riussi_, we don't mind at all :)13:53
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andre__timeless, thanks for your recent comments in bugs.maemo.org, they are quite helpful14:00
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lcukdinner >14:01
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RobbieThe1stTesters needed for a new, safe version of BackupMenu! http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=844029#post84402914:15
RobbieThe1stCya tomorrow14:15
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MyrttiI would say "safer" until there's actual test results, though ;-)14:15
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SpeedEvilWell - the existing one was in principle dramatically unsafe.14:16
crashanddie"Copying new files: Size: bytes"14:16
crashanddieeven though grammatically roughly coherent, that's pretty WTF.14:17
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MyrttiSpeedEvil: I still wouldn't go as far as claiming the new version to be safe, just somewhat safer than the unsafe one :-P14:18
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Myrttibut I'm a cynical bitch anyway14:19
SpeedEvilThe new one seems to use tar.14:20
SpeedEvilSo it should be lots safer.14:21
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DocScrutinizerheh, nice article: http://mer-project.blogspot.com/2010/01/on-perceived-openness-of-maemo-part-one.html14:30
RST38hSo, what's new and exciting? Has Mohammad dug himself out of trouble?14:30
DocScrutinizeralas so few results14:30
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG51 was in trouble?14:31
DocScrutinizerwell he's probably permanently in trouble :-P but anything specific?14:32
RST38hHe has lost all the mounts14:32
RST38hLast time I checked anyway14:32
RST38hEmpty df, empty /etc/mtab, etc14:32
DocScrutinizerohnoes he rm -rf a chroot again?14:32
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DocScrutinizerMohammadAG51: aive?14:33
DocScrutinizeralive even?14:33
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DocScrutinizerRST38h: on his maemo or on his c86?14:34
crashanddieMohammadAG51, reply, bitch.14:34
DocScrutinizerx8614:34
crashanddiedocscrutinizer: for a second I read that as "commodore 64"14:34
RST38hOh cooool: http://bstj.bell-labs.com/oldfiles/year.1978/BSTJ.1978.5706-2.html14:34
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RST38hDoc: Maemo14:34
DocScrutinizermeh14:34
DocScrutinizer~flash14:34
infobothmm... flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware14:35
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thpdneary: pong14:55
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Sargun_Screenhey, what wireless chipset is in the n900.15:16
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crashanddiesharpneli, wl125115:16
crashanddieSargun_Screen, wl125115:16
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Sargun_Screencrashanddie: do you know if it can do packet injection?15:18
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crashanddieSargun_Screen, the official one doesn't15:20
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crashanddiebut there's one that was developed for the neopwn project that can15:20
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crashanddiethough there are conflicts with the GPL, etc15:20
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Noobmonk3yanyone here use the qtstackedwidget? would i be able to use it so when a user swipes from the left or right it swaps pages?15:24
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thpNoobmonk3y: override the mouse event handlers and switch pages when you detect such a swipe?15:28
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crashanddieSargun_Screen, PM15:28
Noobmonk3yhey thp :) - yeah i suppose thats what i want :) - today is my first day of c++ lol :P15:28
crashanddieno, it's your first day of Qt15:28
crashanddieQt is far removed from C++15:28
Noobmonk3ywell at least qt creator now works, and i can get it working on my deviec! - finally an easier solution ! hehe15:28
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Noobmonk3ylol crash fair point15:29
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hrwwho is Roger Sperberg?16:11
CutMeOwnThroatis this a quizz?16:11
hrwno16:11
hrwplanet.maemo.org got flooded with his posts and most of them looks like sponsored speak16:12
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CutMeOwnThroatI see16:13
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GAN900hrw, RogerS from ITt16:14
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alteregoI think it's more likely he had something funky happen with his blog ..16:15
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Stskeepsdidn't he throw a fit at some point or was that some other guy?16:16
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RST38hWho is RogerS and why should anyone care about his fits?16:19
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MohammadAG51when was 1.3 leaked...16:24
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Stskeepshm?16:25
Stskeeps:P16:25
RST38hMohammad: Figured out the problem with df/etc16:25
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infobotSTILL a ban'able subject, more than ever16:38
xDaReaperxpr1.3 is out ?16:38
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DocScrutinizerMEGA out16:38
rokr1PR1.3 funny16:38
xDaReaperxlol16:38
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rokr1http://hunajatehdas.net/nokia/firmware/en/model:N90016:39
xDaReaperxPR1.3 developers version16:39
rokr1time line is toooo funny16:39
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rokr1no point of trying with PR1.3Dv16:40
MohammadAG51DocScrutinizer, seems that it was leaked or somesuch16:40
rokr1try Meego16:40
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MohammadAG51I really want 1.3 more than meego16:41
xDaReaperxcan my N900 cook food when i update to PR 1.3 ?16:41
rokr1hey mohammad16:42
rokr1thats a point to think reaper16:42
kerioxDaReaperx: depends on how much you overclock it16:43
xDaReaperxi don't OC16:43
xDaReaperxit's bad16:43
rokr1kerio was kidding!!16:43
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kerio!!!!!!!!16:44
rokr1reaper dont be innocent16:44
rokr1:P16:44
xDaReaperxlol16:44
xDaReaperxi really didin't OC my N900 till now16:44
rokr1its not gonna harm upto 900Mhz16:44
kerioit is16:44
rokr1cool N900 @ 900Mhz16:45
xDaReaperxit will16:45
kerio601 will harm16:45
rokr1depends on the surrounding condition16:45
xDaReaperxi live in a hot country not good to OC16:45
xDaReaperxi mean Hot climate xD16:46
keriorokr1: no it doesn't16:46
kerioELECTROMIGRATION MOTHERFUCKER, DO YOU SPEAK IT16:46
rokr1thanks kerio16:46
xDaReaperxwow16:46
rokr1FOR TRAINING PURPOSES YOUR MESSAGES WILL BE SAVED IN LOG - Mr.Kerio16:47
rokr1so any news on NeoPwn v216:48
rokr1??16:48
xDaReaperxanyways any of you guys have scratches on your N900 screen ? even light ones ?16:48
rokr1yes i do16:48
mirr0ri have many on my keyboard16:48
xDaReaperxow16:48
xDaReaperxnone on my keyboard yet16:48
xDaReaperxmaybe you press the buttons with your sharp nails16:48
mirr0r6 different keys already16:48
mirr0ryea, probably16:49
xDaReaperxyou could get a replacement for the keypad16:49
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mirr0ryea, i know16:49
mirr0rits like 17 euro's, not expensive at all16:49
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xDaReaperxlol16:49
mirr0rbut it will be if i need to buy one every month :P16:49
rokr1thats good16:49
xDaReaperxprobably you could just trim your nails , thats not expensive16:50
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rokr1that would cause inflation16:50
xDaReaperxmeh16:50
mirr0rhehe, i do that already16:50
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rokr1when fully charged wats the Amp u guys get ?16:51
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rokr1i am asking for battery16:51
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rokr1i doubt my battery16:52
rokr1i would like to compare16:52
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xDaReaperx_wai ?16:52
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xDaReaperx_how long do these batteries last ?16:52
rokr1i get 122116:52
rokr193%16:52
xDaReaperx_ow16:52
xDaReaperx_i think i get 95-97 i think...16:52
xDaReaperx_if i charge wit laptop i get less16:53
rokr1i asked abt N90016:53
rokr1dont show off16:53
MohammadAG51bme reports shitty percentages16:53
xDaReaperx_i'm not showing off16:53
xDaReaperx_i was talking about the N900 myself16:53
MohammadAG51ignore them16:53
MohammadAG5194 is fine16:53
xDaReaperx_ok16:53
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MohammadAG51Stskeeps, do you know what alsa switches i need to flip to route sound to earphone?16:54
MohammadAG51i'm assuming it should be the same with M516:54
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alteregoScalable UIs in QML can be a bit fiddl ..16:55
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rokr1waiting for N916:59
SpeedEvilpr1.3 works on N8, N9, N900, and n3310, as well as all iphones.16:59
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rokr1any proof ??16:59
xDaReaperx_back17:00
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rokr1lol17:07
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DocScrutinizer51~pr1.317:09
infobotSTILL a ban'able subject, more than ever17:09
rokr1lol17:09
rokr1pr1.217:09
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mgedminso, any news about PR1.*bzzzt*AAARGH17:12
prontoit was eaten by the monster17:14
Jaffas/the monster/a grue/17:15
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keriogrues don't go *bzzzt*17:20
CodeOfSilencegoto http://tinyurl.com/348ajfj for teh win. DO IT!17:20
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kerionice17:21
sivangmgedmin: hehe17:22
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MohammadAG51hahaha, i'm running the sdk with the UI on the N90017:32
lcukpics or it didnt happen17:32
MohammadAG51yo dawg, we heard you liked window managers so we put a hildon-desktop in your hildon-desktop17:33
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MohammadAG51just wait a bit, N900 being raped17:34
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kerioMohammadAG51: so you could swap while you swap?17:37
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mgedminkerio, just create a swap file in a tmpfs, which is backed by the swap partition17:42
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keriomgedmin: brilliant17:43
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keriocompressed swapfile in tmpfs17:43
kerioUNLIMITED MEMORY17:43
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MohammadAG51kerio, err, sure :P17:44
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KhertanHi all !17:54
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dmj726_n900I wonder if Ofono is being ported to android/ubuntu yet.17:58
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Corsacdmj726_n900: ofono is in debian so I guess it's in ubuntu too17:59
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dmj726_n900that means other os than maemo and meego should be able to call soon too, right?18:00
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mgedminI heard rumours that android can make phone calls already18:00
dmj726_n900or are there other driver issues?18:00
dmj726_n900cool18:00
Stskeepsmgedmin: without audio18:00
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cehtehlol :)18:01
mgedminwho needs audio? ;)18:01
cehtehand sms but without text :)18:01
SpeedEvilMMS, only of black?18:02
dmj726_n900you mean it's just the video? :P18:02
SpeedEvilAnd video, but only one still frame of RMS.18:03
MohammadAG51LOL crashed my unclue's iphone18:03
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mgedmin"unclue" is a nice typo18:03
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DocScrutinizer51freud18:03
MohammadAG51lol didn't notice that xD18:03
dmj726_n900who with a clue would have one?18:03
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SpeedEvilIphone - for some users - 'just works'.18:05
DocScrutinizer51meh, only 2.5G in subway18:05
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MohammadAG51hmm18:07
MohammadAG51can't play music while installing18:07
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DocScrutinizer51ohnoes18:07
MohammadAG51on the iphone btw18:08
MohammadAG51hmm, UI is lagging, that's a first...18:09
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njainwhere do I find the codecs for the video formats not supported in my N900..?18:22
njainonly .avi & i think mp4 are supported now.18:23
njainI have som videos of format mpg18:23
Surfaavi is just a container18:23
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Surfait's not a codec18:23
njainok.18:23
Surfabut you can find some extra codecs in extras18:23
Surfathere is some codec pack in there18:24
dnearySurfa, That's a bit pedantic :) Although of course quite true18:24
njainApp-Manger?18:24
lcukhttp://maemo.org/packages/view/decoders-support/18:24
Surfadneary, yes, but i still find it necessary to tell it as avi may practically be anything :)18:25
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Surfalcuk probably gave you direct link, thanks :)18:26
Surfabut yes, with app manager you'll install them18:26
njainthanks guys.18:26
lcukis there a rot13 video encoder ?18:26
njainperhaps I could do a dpkg -i?18:26
lcukand what fourcc would it get?18:26
lcuknjain, apt-get install decoders-support18:26
Surfanjain, you would need .deb package18:27
lcukmeh18:27
Surfabut theoretically it would work too :)18:27
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pebhi folks, just a curious question: iTunes is for Apple, what's "THE" phone manager for the N900 (on Linux)? I need to get away from my manual approach of managing the phone ...18:38
ShadowJKI don't think there's anything sane18:38
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Corsacwhat do you mean by “managing the phone”?18:38
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pebCorsac, I mean automatic updates of podcasts (to the phone), sync of email/contact data ...18:39
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alteregorsync?18:40
alterego:)18:40
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pebHow do you manage podcast subscriptions with rsync, alterego?18:41
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alteregoI thought you just said sync18:41
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pebdoes anyone of you know about CastGater? Has anyone run that on the N900?18:41
alteregoAnyhow, I woudlnt know, I don't really use any podcasts18:42
GAN900I like how they screwed up the Fremantle Stars, too.18:42
pebalterego, sync due to the fact that my main puter is a Debian box. But N900 is, too -- so either sync the DebianMainbox or get the stuff directly to the N90018:42
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powerhi,got a n900 from a russian friend,and changed its keypad to qwerty. now, if i factory reset it, 1)it welcomes me with russian,and default keyboard layout is russian. i want to get rid of that18:50
njaincool!18:50
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powerhi,got a n900 from a russian friend,and changed its keypad to qwerty. now, if i factory reset it, 1)it welcomes me with russian,and default keyboard layout is russian. i want to get rid of that*18:51
powerops18:51
powerif i flash it with, latest global firmware, does it make everything english by default  ?18:51
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njainI got the vdeos working.18:51
njainexcept for 2.18:51
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dsgpower: Global firmware will ask at first boot what language/region/keyboard to use if you flash both root and eMMC. But you'll lose all the data on the phone, so make a backup rist.18:52
dsgs/rist/first/18:52
infobotdsg meant: power: Global firmware will ask at first boot what language/region/keyboard to use if you flash both root and eMMC. But you'll lose all the data on the phone, so make a backup first.18:52
poweryeah,but in what language it will ask ?18:52
dsgAh. In English.18:53
powerthis one is also asks,but in russian18:53
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powerok thats OK for me than18:53
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powerthanks18:53
mgedminmine asks in Dutch18:53
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rokr1hello all18:54
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mgedminI believe the country code is stored somewhere (the CAL partition?)18:54
rokr1i got a problem in openvpn18:54
rokr1N900 cannot get a local ip address18:54
rokr1is there any special configuration files18:54
rokr1?18:54
njainSurfa: hey! the videos i have with .avi format don't play, sorry I gave the wrong inputs initially!18:55
dsgmgedmin: Ah, that could be.18:56
mgedminosso-product-info should display it18:56
rokr1??18:57
mgedminhm, not really18:57
dsg"OSSO_PRODUCT_WLAN_CHANNEL='fcc/us'"18:57
mgedminthe only mention of Dutch there is in OSSO_PRODUCT_KEYBOARD18:57
dsgInteresting, mine has wrong values stored there18:57
mgedminwlan channel is "us" here too18:57
powerso in that case, flashing global image wont make any changes right *18:58
* mgedmin doesn't know18:58
powerthan ill try18:58
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mgedminyou can always change the language in the settings18:58
rokr1anyone with successful openvpn connection over ethernet bridge18:59
rokr1?18:59
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dsgrokr1: Plenty, but you haven't given any info on your problem so noone wants to answer such open-ended questions.19:00
dsgLogs, for example, would help.19:00
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rokr1i am not able to get the local ip19:00
rokr1simple configuration i run tomato VPN firmware19:01
rokr1i made it work in windows box19:01
rokr1UDPv4 link local (bound): [undef}19:01
rokr1UDPv4 link local (bound): [undef]19:02
rokr1its not able to get local IP address19:02
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DocScrutinizerOSSO_PRODUCT_REGION='Germany'19:02
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DocScrutinizerWhat is CAL? http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=2046519:03
dsgrokr1: Try adding "log /tmp/openvpn.log" to your config and see if it gets you any closer to the real cause of your problem19:04
dsgIf you post that log (make sure to sanitize any user/password info), someone may be able to help you.19:04
rokr1ok19:05
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powermgedmin~ dsg still in russian :\19:07
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powermgedmin~ what is CAL partition19:12
mgedmin<DocScrutinizer> What is CAL? http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=2046519:12
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poweryeah, i see OSSO_PRODUCT_KEYBOARD="Russian/Latin"19:14
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powercan anyone share me above line, (with US keyboard)19:16
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trumeeguys, my laptop is on wifi and has bluetooth. can i get internet on N900 by tethering to laptop via bluetooth?19:16
Noobmonk3ytrumee, yes :)19:16
trumeethe wifi signal is too weak for the N900 so i want to tether it to the laptop19:17
Noobmonk3yi think via bluetooth dun19:17
DocScrutinizerphoenix anybody? http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=1766519:17
Noobmonk3yhttp://myn900.wordpress.com/2010/02/04/tethered-n900-to-ubuntu-9-10-via-bluetooth/19:17
Noobmonk3ytrumee, there is a bluetooth dun app - not tried it - but tis possible19:17
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trumeeNoobmonk3y: this, http://wiki.maemo.org/Debian-Tethering ?19:18
Noobmonk3ytrumee: kinda but that seems rather specific - doesnt look like it is using the bluetooth dun app though19:19
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Noobmonk3ytrumee: what OS have you got on the lappy?19:19
trumeeopensuse 11.319:19
Noobmonk3ytrumee:  this may help? http://www.kriyayoga.com/love_blog/post.php/120319:20
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Noobmonk3yalthough i'm sure there is an easier way19:20
trumeethat page is doing the opposite. i dont have 3g.19:21
trumeemy laptop is connected to the wifi. i want N900 to access internet thru the laptop.19:21
trumeei dont want to use N900s modem.19:21
Noobmonk3yohhhhhhhh19:21
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Noobmonk3ylols, doesnt the nokia suite allow that?19:21
Noobmonk3yinternet connection sharing etc?19:22
Noobmonk3yactually that probably goes the other way too19:22
trumeeno nokia suite on linux afaik!19:22
trumeei have usb networking working. but i wanted something mobile hence bluetooth19:22
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Noobmonk3yhmmm i know nothing about suse, but with windows you can do the reverse by turning your laptop into a mobile hotspot (like joikuspot does on the n900) - instead of bluetooth, you would then just be extending the wireless from your lappy?19:23
Noobmonk3ylike this ? - http://www.connectify.me/19:23
trumeeNoobmonk3y: hmm. cant setup an adhoc network, because i am accessing internet on the laptop using wifi19:24
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Noobmonk3ylo lcucky19:25
Noobmonk3ylcuky even19:25
Noobmonk3ylucucky lcuky19:25
Noobmonk3y:p19:25
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trumeethis, http://www.internettablettalk.com/wiki/index.php?title=HOWTO:_Connect_to_the_Internet_using_Bluetooth_via_a_Linux_PC&oldid=2609 ?19:26
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rokr1_here u go dsg http://pastebin.ca/196591519:28
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RST38hback19:31
RST38hPR1.3?19:31
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MohammadAGRST38h, sadly, yes19:32
MohammadAGI'm looking at the image contents right now19:32
RST38h"Flexible, implantable LEDs look set to start a new body modification craze" <--- yes, please, we need more light-up people19:32
MohammadAGhttp://pastebin.com/xv9aP06F <-- btw, on device sdk script if anyone gives a crap19:32
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RST38hMohammad: And, let me guess, the only available translation is Arameic? :)19:32
MohammadAGjust make an ext2 image on MyDocs19:32
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MohammadAGall locales seem to be in it19:33
MohammadAGbut19:33
MohammadAGQt 4.7 is in the image, in /opt (WTF?)19:33
* RST38h starts believing that MohammadAG is serious about PR1.319:33
MohammadAGthis is not an eMMC image19:33
rokr1any one who can help me ??19:33
RST38hrokr1: Since you are still here, no.19:34
MohammadAGRST38h, RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin19:34
RST38hBut what is your problem, anyway?19:34
RST38hMohammad: =E~~~19:34
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o7ywswhey, the evopedia guide says to unzip the files onto the n900019:34
MohammadAGRST38h, you thought I was jk? lol19:34
o7ywswbut the wiki dump isn't zip files19:34
o7ywswit is .idx and .dat files.......19:35
o7ywswwhat's the deal19:35
RST38hMohammad:I do not see any excited chatter on tmothough. One would think the lemmings would be bricking their devices in scores now19:35
MohammadAGRST38h, there's also a fail Qt 4.7 plugin for N900 sensors, apparently, instead of using mce and the proper closed source components, it polls /sys19:35
RST38hQt people are funny19:35
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MohammadAGRST38h, there was enough chatter to make me find it19:35
MohammadAGplus a certain person on this channel19:35
RST38hah19:36
MohammadAGRST38h, finding it is tricky, guessing the password of the RAR isn't19:36
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RST38hWell, it probably means the official release is not that far away19:36
o7ywswany of you use evopedia?19:36
MohammadAGkernel is 1.7MBs, not sure if it's the same number of bytes19:37
RST38hUnless they bungle it again19:37
njainMetroMap is a nice app. but the map it has for the city I live in is old as available on pmetro.su/Maps.html... How do I update this to the  current map?19:37
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RST38hMohammad: Any visible fixes?19:39
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* RST38h is stupid and cannot guess the password :)19:39
MohammadAGRST38h, haven't flashed it, yet19:39
MohammadAGRST38h, you found the file?19:40
RST38hGoogle did19:40
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jarkkomit's passworded though and google translate isn't just that good sometimes :)19:44
MohammadAGuse your head, you only need to know how people usually pass rar files ;)19:45
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RST38hYea, Chinese are no different from other people in this aspect19:46
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MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, got a minute?19:48
MohammadAGor 1019:48
MohammadAGsomeone's asking why dd damages mtds, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=63975&page=219:48
DocScrutinizermeh, later19:48
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lardmanso what do we have by way of mesh networking?19:52
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trumeehttp://www.mediafire.com/?3cr25hiw0kbffzu19:53
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trumeeno idea if that is PR 1.319:54
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RST38hHeya lardman19:54
MohammadAGtrumee, it's illegal to share links19:54
lardmanhi RST38h19:54
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trumeeMohammadAG: ok. my bad19:54
dsgMohammadAG: In what country is that?19:54
MohammadAGtrumee, your bad got logged too19:54
MohammadAGNo idea, that's not the one I used19:54
dsgI can see it being a channel rule, but if links are illegal, you live in a fascist dictatorship. :)19:55
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trumeeMohammadAG: i simply google with the string and that came up19:55
FauxFauxIt's also got "2009" in.19:55
Myrttitrumee: you've not even tried it yourself?19:55
Myrttishame on you19:55
trumee:)19:55
RST38hdsg: Not illegal bu discouraged19:55
Myrttitsktsk19:55
Myrttiwhat is wrong with you people!?19:55
MohammadAG#maemo is the official channel19:56
* RST38h does not know where to start with the answer19:56
dsgRST38h: Yeah, suspected that was the meaning :)19:56
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Myrttiin other news: http://www.flickr.com/photos/myrtti/5093423467/ artichokes.19:56
trumeeanyhow. so nobody knows whether N900 can use PCs internet via bluetooth?19:56
RST38hOnce again, there is no such thing as "official" IRC channel19:56
MohammadAG3. LIMITATIONS ON END-USER RIGHTS.19:56
MohammadAGYou may not copy, distribute, or make derivative works of the Software19:56
MohammadAGexcept as follows:19:56
RST38hIt is like a "website founder" which usually means a 15 year old with warts and an ego19:56
MohammadAG(e) Unless stated otherwise in the Documentation, You shall not display,19:57
MohammadAGmodify, reproduce, or distribute any of the Stock Files included with the19:57
MohammadAGSoftware19:57
MohammadAGpeople should really start reading licenses19:57
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dsgMohammadAG: Link to software != software (not that I'm saying it should be allowed to post links here, but the use of "illegal" is clearly wrong in this case)19:58
MohammadAGthat statement doesn't work in court you know19:58
* RST38h checks N95 photo quality, out of morbid curiosity19:58
dsgMohammadAG: Maybe not in israel :)19:58
MohammadAGmeh19:59
dsgAgain, countries laws differ greatly19:59
RST38hHe is kinda correct: a URL does not necessarily equal software distribution19:59
RST38hAnd if he found a file on the Net, he is not bound by the license terms19:59
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dsgYes. It's a violation of copyright law to use the image though.20:00
dsgBut at least where I live, even downloading it would not be illegal20:00
RST38hBut, of course, you can interpret it differently depending on how much hourly rate you charge for legal advice :)20:00
Myrttican we move on?20:00
RST38hYes, but do provide a topic20:01
Myrttijust DON'T DISTRIBUTE THE LINK AGAIN. thx20:01
MohammadAGsure, why are the Qt plugins retarded20:01
MohammadAGMyrtti, the channel is logged, so... yeah20:01
RST38hWell, it is not the only retarded part of qt20:01
RST38hStill better than alternatives, I am afraid20:01
MyrttiMohammadAG: nobody else needs to repeat the error ;-)20:01
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MohammadAGRST38h, mind posting the md5sum of /usr/sbin/bme_RX-51?20:02
RST38hamoment20:03
MohammadAGwhy am I asking, I haven't flashed it lol20:03
RST38hc2eb6586292b9afa407c307ebc4894e7  /usr/sbin/bme_RX-5120:03
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RST38hThat is of course PR1.220:04
MohammadAGc2eb6586292b9afa407c307ebc4894e7  usr/sbin/bme_RX-5120:04
MohammadAGexact copy in PR1.3, sigh20:04
MohammadAGat least mce was changed20:04
MohammadAGLOLWTF PatternUserManual=9;1;0;1;0;0;0;0;020:04
lcukMyrtti, those artichokes look quite nice, I would trim the bad leaves off though before cooking them20:04
Stskeepspr1.3 out?20:05
MohammadAGStskeeps, no, leak, as always20:05
MohammadAGas I noticed in the latest version of modest's git, they changed patterns in mce.ini20:05
MohammadAGPatternCommunicationEmail=30;1;0;b;9d80400002ff03ff02ff03ff71080000;9d80000020:05
Myrttilcuk: didn't buy any, didn't have a recipe yet20:05
StskeepsMohammadAG: and it's not all over tmo?20:06
Stskeeps:P20:06
dsgMohammadAG: Would you be willing to post a diff -ur of pr1.2 and the leaked rootfs (if you already have them handy)?20:06
Myrttilcuk: we looked around Tesco, Morrison etc in UK and saw none - you can imagine my surprise when I see them in my suburb shop20:06
MohammadAGStskeeps, no, finding it wasn't easy20:06
lardmanlcuk: What's this with artichokes and you were asking about red vs white vino yesterday! ;)20:06
MohammadAGdsg, diff of binaries?20:06
dsgMohammadAG: Diff will just tell you which files have changed if they're bins.20:06
StskeepsMohammadAG: i just await seeing if modest is worse.20:07
lardmanisn't there a bindiff?20:07
MohammadAGStskeeps, use my SSU then20:07
MohammadAGmodest is faster20:07
MohammadAGmuch faster20:07
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StskeepsMohammadAG: i used your modest standalone at some point.. horrible experience20:08
MohammadAGStskeeps, heh, why?20:08
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StskeepsMohammadAG: ~6 minute waits and stalls20:08
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MohammadAGStskeeps, weird, hawaii_ reported it was faster, and it is faster for me20:09
MohammadAGat least with Nokia Messaging20:09
Stskeepswell, i don't use NM20:09
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RST38hNaaah, I do not think that version of Modest is good to use20:09
Stskeepsi don't trust NM for my company mail20:09
Stskeeps:P20:09
MohammadAGStskeeps, I think hawaii_ uses the normal slow crap20:09
RST38hFelt royally screwed up + cut&paste still not working20:09
MohammadAGStskeeps, company mail = nokia? lol20:10
StskeepsMohammadAG: no20:10
Stskeepsbut i don't like leaving my credentials in the hands of others anyway20:10
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* MohammadAG guesses Stskeeps's password, meego123?20:10
MohammadAGMeeGo's root pass was easy to guess :P20:11
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StskeepsMohammadAG: i used to use 'rootme' on maemo for a long time, and then suddenly meego 0.0 with 'moblin' instead.. and then back to 'meego'20:11
Stskeepsbloody confusing20:11
DocScrutinizer51~pr1.320:11
infobotSTILL a ban'able subject, more than ever20:11
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trumeeDocScrutinizer51: any idea if opensuse can act as bluetooth server to give internet to N900?20:12
DocScrutinizer51sorry, nope20:13
trumeelooks like i need to stick to usb networking :(20:13
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DocScrutinizer51BT PAN20:14
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trumeeDocScrutinizer51: with BT PAN, laptop which fetches internet via wifi can provide internet to N900?20:15
RST38hFinally: http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2010/10/10x1018oub234tewfdballmer.jpg20:15
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DocScrutinizer51trumee: PAN is a network, so I'd guess you can do all you're used to do with any other network20:16
DocScrutinizer51wether it's wifi, usb, or BT20:16
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Shapeshifterwhen playing http://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/isslivestream.asx , hitting f turns the window green. clues? or how to play video streams using the standard player?20:24
* SpeedEvil checjs,20:25
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SpeedEvilsame here20:27
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* MohammadAG has to say20:28
MohammadAGPR1.3 is awesome, just like PR1.2, in fact, it's the same20:28
DocScrutinizer/kick MohammadAG20:29
* RST38h reminds everyone that the main purpose of the "channel rules" is to let people with ops kick and ban people without ops20:30
redeemani wish my wifi would work though20:30
redeemanbluetooth seems to be broken aswell20:30
redeemanand it won't go to my 3g either20:30
RST38h1. Is the device turned on?20:31
RST38h2. Is it set to General profile?20:31
redeemankernel says timeout waiting for hardware to initialize20:31
redeemangeneral profile is for silent/nonsilent, you must mean online right?20:31
redeemananyway20:31
redeemani tried checking the checksums of the wl12xx kernel module and the two firmware files, they match20:32
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RST38hyea20:32
redeemani think its hardware issue20:33
redeemanits also begun to sometimes not find the sim20:33
redeemandamn annoying20:33
redeemanand its weird, i haven't dropped the phone even once20:33
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redeemanwl1251: ERROR timeout waiting for the hardware to complete20:33
redeemaninitialization20:33
redeemanthat's the error20:33
redeemanthe one thing i find curious though, once when it started doing this, a few restarts made it go online ONCE again20:34
DocScrutinizerOC'd device? Any time in the past or present?20:35
redeemannope20:35
DocScrutinizerhw defect20:35
redeemani have no idea how to do that even20:35
RST38hredeeman: ok. tried reflashing?20:35
redeemanRST38h: no, because i don't see how that can possibly help20:35
DocScrutinizermight20:35
DocScrutinizeryou never know20:36
redeemanfor what reason?20:36
RST38hredeeman: it is possible that some setting is screwed up, but as you do not know which one it is easier to reflash20:36
redeemanRST38h: nono, this happens at kernel level20:36
redeemanthe kernel doesn't read "some setting"20:36
DocScrutinizerthere could be a flopped bit anywhere20:36
RST38hkernel also has settings, no?20:36
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redeemanwell the module is okay20:36
redeemanso its quite unlikely20:36
Shapeshifterwhen playing http://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/isslivestream.asx , hitting f turns the window green. clues? or how to play video streams using the standard player?20:36
RST38hat least dump your /etc and compare it with the "good" /etc20:37
Shapeshifterwohooops20:37
redeemancan i flash the kernel only?20:37
Shapeshifterfail up-and-enter20:37
Macoryawn20:37
DocScrutinizerredeeman: a buggy or bitrotten kernel driver might overwrite parts of other code/data in kernel20:38
redeemanhmm i suppose i could check all the modules as a start, but is there a way to overwrite the kernel image only with that flashing tool?20:38
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RST38hdo check your etc first20:38
DocScrutinizerreflash20:39
RST38hit is kinda less likely that your kernel got corrupted, especially in such a specific way20:39
DocScrutinizerthe only sane way. make a *complete* backup - for forensics - then reflash20:39
redeemanRST38h: if you mean my /etc, how can that in any way be responsible for a kernel thing?20:39
redeemananothher thing i've noticed is20:39
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redeemanwhich is weird20:39
SpeedEvilkernel image corrupt will say 'checksum failed, halted'20:40
redeemanwhen the device turns on20:40
SpeedEvilTo somewhere you can't see, and halt.20:40
redeemanthat sliding thing with the dot things20:40
redeemangoes all crazy20:40
redeemanokay so its not the kernel image20:40
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redeemanas i did not expect it to be20:40
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DocScrutinizerit can be arbitrary pkg using arbitrary connection related resource in a 'new' way20:41
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redeemanhmm20:41
redeemani seem to recall it happening shortly after a nokia update20:41
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DocScrutinizerhonestly, back up / and /home completely, then reflash and see if it's gone20:41
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redeemanit doesn't find my bluetooth adapter it seems, but that may be because its not enabled in the gui, which i cant seem to do20:42
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DocScrutinizerI'd think you can't enable it because it's not found20:43
redeemanperhaps, but it may also be that it pokes some hw to appear in the gui20:43
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redeemani don't know though20:43
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chxhi. I cant switch off my n900 it says device is being used via usb -- but it is not used. the cable is not plugged in any more. previously it was plugged into an ac charger not a pc.20:45
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DocScrutinizerweird20:46
Goliath23scratchbox is pretty big and wants to be in / right?20:46
SpeedEvilworst-case, you can hold down the power button for over 10seconds20:46
SpeedEvilthis will 'hard; reset it20:46
DocScrutinizerGoliath23: yes, indeed20:46
MohammadAGGoliath23, you can install it somewhere else afaik20:46
DocScrutinizerthat's not exactly easy though20:47
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chxa few clicks fixed it20:47
* DocScrutinizer blinks20:48
chxno it just locked the screen20:48
chx:/20:48
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, I think you can specify location in the script20:48
MohammadAGnot sure though, can't remember20:49
DocScrutinizerumm, sure you can edit the scripts20:49
Goliath23DocScrutinizer: and you need a debian system to upload packages to extras-devel, right?20:49
MohammadAG-s PATHInstall from .tar.gz to path (to e.g. /scratchbox).20:49
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MohammadAGyou can specify a path as a parameter20:49
SpeedEvilGoliath23: no.20:49
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MohammadAG-s PATHSpecify Scratchbox installation path (default /scratchbox). for the second script20:50
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MohammadAGGoliath23, ^20:50
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DocScrutinizerGoliath23: I installed friggin sb to last 5GB free / space of my Suse based system20:50
Goliath23my / only has 1.8gb left20:50
MohammadAGnot enough20:50
Goliath23its a laptop20:51
Goliath23sigh20:51
DocScrutinizeryeah, it's utterly insane20:51
MohammadAGlaptop here :P20:51
Goliath23its a PITA to create an uploadable package vom qtcreator to extras-devel20:51
* MohammadAG had scratchbox on his / which was 20GBs20:51
MohammadAGon my old lappy20:51
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Goliath23it's more complicated that the programming!20:51
MohammadAGLOL I need to clean shit up20:52
MohammadAG22G/scratchbox/20:52
MohammadAG/dev/sda5            119362224  97923444  15375452  87% /20:52
RST38hhow familiar...20:52
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RST38hGoliath: why use qtcreator at all? Makefiles work just as well.20:53
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MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, #21# works20:54
DocScrutinizererr WUT?20:54
DocScrutinizer#5 lives?20:54
MohammadAGnew phone UI20:54
Goliath23RST38h: uhm qtcreator is more than .pro instead of makefiles :)20:55
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, isn't the syntax for diverting *21*number#?20:55
MohammadAGif so, they broke it!20:55
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Goliath23RST38h: code completion, integrated reference, nice editor, refactoring features, etc20:56
* DocScrutinizer sighs20:56
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Goliath23QT! ;)20:56
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, nvm, it actually detects if you're directing to your own number and says "Value not expected"20:56
MohammadAGredirecting to another number works fine20:56
DocScrutinizerhttp://www.mobilemania.de/facts+infos/gsmcodes.php#Rufumleitung20:57
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KhertanGoliath23, you can upload with maemo extras assistant20:57
Khertanand you didn't need a debian system to create debian package20:57
Goliath23Khertan: okay. I _think_ I already hgave the package structure ready20:58
Goliath23I sent an upload request (anyone here that can speed that up?) ;)20:58
Khertandepends on what you use, but personnaly i'm a python dev and i create my package directly on n900 with pypackager or setuptools20:58
Goliath23http://buliscores.garage.maemo.org/screenshot02_png/screenshot02.png.html20:59
Khertan(pypackager works only for python apps)20:59
Goliath23this is the app20:59
KhertanGoliath23, nope sorry20:59
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, nice, google translate thinks that page is chinese20:59
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DocScrutinizerhttp://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=75625721:00
Goliath23Khertan: I created it by hand following the "21:00
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Goliath23http://wiki.maemo.org/Packaging_a_Qt_application tutorial21:00
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MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, ssc=1 in default call-ui.ini now21:02
MohammadAGI guess the bug was fixed21:02
DocScrutinizerno it is not *now*! :-P21:03
MohammadAGtrue, but it was fixed :D21:03
* DocScrutinizer prepares the kick cmd21:03
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, now now, this can't do any harm21:03
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, when I manually installed PR1.2 packages on PR1.1.1, I found a lot of bugs21:04
MohammadAGbut I stfu'd about them, since it wasn't an official method21:04
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MohammadAGthe final PR1.2 had those exact bugs21:04
DocScrutinizerdo you think going public about it here will yield any better results - besides pourring oil into "it's LEAKED!" madness?21:05
DocScrutinizer...fire21:06
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MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, I can't see any other place really21:06
DocScrutinizerdevel ML?21:07
DocScrutinizeryou know damn good Nokia isn't really following IRC21:07
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MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, Nokia isn't following anywhere21:09
MohammadAGmy email is fully of WONFIXES21:09
MohammadAGWONTFIXes even21:09
DocScrutinizerI guess odds are they are following on devel ML if anywhere21:09
MohammadAGmeh, I doubt they're following anything21:10
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DocScrutinizeralso, usual disclaimer, you got nfc if any leaked version has anything in common with the final one21:10
RST38hIt is not like anyone expects any crucial bugs to be fixed in pr1.321:10
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, and I agree with you on that, the image is compiled in September21:10
MohammadAGkernel was compiled on my bday lol21:11
MohammadAGFri Aug 621:11
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: so, given this standard disclaimer and you notion Nokia doesn't follow anyway, please don't push the FUD and hype and madness21:11
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DocScrutinizerit's worth nothing21:12
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DocScrutinizerand you probably remember why we got...21:12
DocScrutinizer~pr1.321:12
infobotSTILL a ban'able subject, more than ever21:12
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DocScrutinizerwhich is based on a former version of ~pr.1.221:13
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MohammadAGhave it your way21:13
maybeHerebut what about ~pr.1.4?21:13
MohammadAGmaybeHere, gline-able subject21:14
DocScrutinizer~pr.1.421:14
DocScrutinizer~pr1.421:14
infobotPR1.4 has always been a ban'able subject21:14
RST38h~pr1.521:14
MyrttiCHEESECAKE21:14
DocScrutinizerMyrtti: with coffee? :-)21:15
RST38h~cheesecake21:15
infobotextra, extra, read all about it, cheesecake is statistically  the most popular dessert ordered in restaurants, or goozbach fuel21:15
Myrttinomnom21:15
MyrttiDocScrutinizer: too late for me to have coffee21:15
javispedrothere's no pr1.4, and you all know it.21:16
javispedrobtw, morning all.21:16
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Stskeepsjavispedro: people said there was no pr1.3~21:16
achipaMyrtti: it's never too late for coffee. Too early, maybe, but never too late.21:17
RST38hmourning  javispedro21:17
achipapr1.4 mourning ... no, wait...21:17
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keriowas pr1.3 released? :o21:18
kerioi should *really* get my usb port fixed21:18
javispedrobtw, anyone has definite docs and/or benchmarks about thumb on N900? My fingering is hovering over "//#define USE_THUMB 1" at this moment21:18
Myrttiachipa: at nine o'clock it definitely is too late21:18
javispedro*finger21:18
Stskeepsjavispedro: won't work, will crash your problem likely21:19
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MohammadAGdpkg crashes on Ubuntu 10.04 with a kernel with thumb support21:19
MohammadAGso yeah.. what Stskeeps said21:19
javispedrothe issue is that it does work, possibly because this is a JIT and might use a reduced set of instructions21:20
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achipaMyrtti: wah, only if you plan to sleep, which is known to be lame, even if sometimes biologically necessary21:20
RST38hjavispedro: Thumb generally does not help21:21
RST38hjavispedro: My experience shows that thumb is mainly useful when the code resides in very slow memory with 16bit interface21:21
RST38hjavispedro: On N900, you will not see much improvement in most situations.21:22
SpeedEvilOr if you can fit a thumb algo into l1 cache21:22
RST38hBut you may see lower performance due to the compiler being constrained for registers and not able to use conditional execution21:22
javispedrofor completeness, the "app" is dosbox's JIT21:22
achipahm, but doesn't it also use less space on disk ? (total thumb n00b here)21:22
javispedrowhich so far I've been shipping with the thumb jit, even on N90021:23
RST38hthat will depend on the quality of dosbox JIT compiler when generating arm vs thumb code21:23
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javispedroRST38h: and that's what I worry about. non-thumb is not the default one => less tested => worse code21:23
RST38hjavis: compile and benchmark both21:23
javispedroso unless there's end-of-the-world problems with thumb on n900...21:24
RST38hno problems at all21:24
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javispedrowell, ta all.21:25
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DocScrutinizerRST38h: ~pr1.5 is well known21:26
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ShadowJKRST38h, are you talking about thumb or thumbee?21:28
ShadowJKiirc thumbee is broken on N900's CPU, or atleast on earliest N90021:28
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javispedroah.21:29
javispedrothat is interesting.21:29
45PABA6YAhi all21:29
javispedroso it is Thumb2 the broken one?21:29
45PABA6YAjust a question : is it imaginable to have a release of maemo on N9 ?21:29
ShadowJKyeah21:29
ShadowJK45PABA6YA, no21:29
DocScrutinizerwhere's /proc/cpuinfo from? does kernel read out actual chip revision or other hw info source for this?21:29
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ShadowJKWell, it'll be MeeGp-Harmattan probably, which is a kinda of Maemo/MeeGo hybrid..21:30
ShadowJKDocScrutinizer, no21:30
ShadowJKiirc it's fed by the bootloader..21:30
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ShadowJKarm doesn't have CPUID21:30
DocScrutinizerblargh21:30
DocScrutinizerk, thanks :-)21:30
ShadowJKi could be wrong21:31
DocScrutinizerFeatures        : swp half thumb fastmult vfp edsp thumbee neon vfpv321:31
DocScrutinizeron my 'older' device21:31
javispedroI wouldn't trust that much21:31
TNZShadowJK : even if meego 's too late regarding the hardware ?21:31
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DocScrutinizerthough I'd need to check ser# to decide which one was manufactured earlier21:31
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ShadowJKTNZ, you know nokia is going to have their own binary blobs and stuff ontop of whatever MeeGo is, so the state of mainline MeeGo probably doesn't matter that much21:32
DocScrutinizerboth are Revision        : 2101  though21:32
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ShadowJKcheck imei number21:33
javispedroShadowJK: cya and thanks21:33
* DocScrutinizer waves at ShadowJK21:33
TNZoka thanks21:33
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trumeeinternet is full of instructions for ubuntu and redhat. maybe i should ditch opensuse21:40
VladNistor1maybe you should just use maemo for everything :))21:41
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mikhasshouldnt the solution be to use sth that doesnt need a whoe interweb of instructions to be useful?21:43
mikhas*whole21:43
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trumeewill this be in PR1.3 or PR 1.4, https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1029421:54
povbotBug 10294: Email desktop widget does not display mails from Nokia Messaging accounts21:54
trumee"Tested this scenario with internal software version that will become the next public update"21:54
javispedroUnknown until you get week number of assumed PR1.321:55
javispedrobut I'd guess so.21:55
andre__trumee: I refered to PR1.321:55
andre__as PR1.3 is not out. Hence: next update.21:55
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trumeeandre__: cool21:57
andre__:)21:57
trumeeandre__: email headers will not be displayed. is tha NM specific?21:57
trumee*that21:57
DocScrutinizertrumee: iirc I installed on OpenSuse following mainly this http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Jebba/SDK but also a vanished that http://en.opensuse.org/Maemo521:57
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andre__trumee, I myself don't know. So far I guessed so.21:58
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MohammadAGtrumee, yes, Quim already confirmed NM will not have email headers in Fremantle21:58
MohammadAGon PR1.2, email headers work properly for non-NM accounts21:58
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trumeeMohammadAG: non-NM accounts are not useful to me since i have NM for push mail.21:59
DocScrutinizermeh21:59
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MohammadAGtrumee, fixed in Harmattan? :P22:00
DocScrutinizerthere's no such thing like true pushmail22:00
trumeeDocScrutinizer: i was referring to bluetooth pan instructions not SDK intsructions :)22:00
trumeeDocScrutinizer: how does NM work by the way. Does N900 poll every few seconds?22:00
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, try Nokia Messaging with gmail22:00
CorsacDocScrutinizer: imap notify should help ghough22:00
MohammadAGit's epic22:00
MohammadAGI got an email notification as soon as andre__ replied on that ticket22:01
DocScrutinizerwtf? why should I do that?22:01
trumeeMohammadAG: yes, same here22:01
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trumeeMohammadAG: any idea how NM works?22:01
MohammadAGon the N900? not the same as on symbian22:02
javispedroMohammadAG: and what's the _definitely-it-must-exist-because-this-is-Maemo_ downside? ;)22:02
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DocScrutinizersee, usually 3G is behind a NAT. So all servers to receive any 'push' need to send keep alive packets frequently. Why would I want N900 do this, when I can poll pop3 every arbitrary period, config'able in modest22:02
javispedro2.5h hour battery? Slower modest? It crunches your mail for dinner? It emails nasty things to girlfriends?22:02
trumeei am looking for a way to stop all network activity accept listening to streaming radio over 2g connection. NM and auto-update kill my little 2g connection and i get buffering in the radio player22:02
trumeeMohammadAG: yes on N90022:03
DocScrutinizertrue pushmail would need support from GSM carrier22:03
javispedroBB-style.22:03
trumeeis there a way to disable NM on 2g connection?22:03
jarkkomDocScrutinizer, well not necessarily but I guess popular service would have enough traffic that it would get noticed22:04
DocScrutinizererr sorry?22:05
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MohammadAGtbh22:05
MohammadAGI think NM on the N900 polls22:05
DocScrutinizerIt has no other way to work22:05
DocScrutinizersee my post 2 above22:06
javispedroIMAP IDLE and keep a TCP connection open?22:06
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DocScrutinizerkeep open = keep-alive = send packets22:06
javispedrothe user wasn't going to do anything productive either way with the battery life =)22:06
trumeeso NM is not really a real push mail service.22:06
MohammadAGit is, but not on Maemo22:07
javispedroDocScrutinizer: keep alive != polling, though22:07
MohammadAGon 3G it sucks anyways22:07
DocScrutinizerthere is no real pushmail service on GSM devices, without support from varrier22:07
MohammadAGon Wifi, it's instant22:07
DocScrutinizercarrier22:07
jarkkomDocScrutinizer, most carriers just send SMSs to each other and assume traffic is equally split in both ways and don't charge each other anything, so if you don't need MT direction billing you can just keep on sending SMSs to any carrier that your carrier has peering agreement with22:07
javispedroit's still better than 1-sec polling if you want sub-sec mail notificatios22:07
javispedro... but nobody wants those, eh? :P22:07
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, I don't see a reason it shouldn't work on wifi then?22:07
trumeeMohammadAG: so NM doesnt eat a lot of bandwidth when polling?22:08
DocScrutinizerjarkkom: and how is that related to pushmail?22:08
trumeeMohammadAG: i need to find out what kils my internet radio stream when on 2g.22:08
DocScrutinizerexcept for the obvious point you could send a SMS to make the MT poll22:08
javispedrotrumee: pigeons between you and the cell tower?22:08
trumeejavispedro: lol22:09
DocScrutinizerplus Nokia is no carrier afaik22:09
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jarkkomDocScrutinizer, many push mail services are SMS based, they poll your mailbox and send WAP PDU SMS to notify phone22:09
DocScrutinizerjarkkom: exactly. I don't see Nokia doing this, free of charge for user22:10
dRbiGis the hardware manufacturer really relevant here?22:11
DocScrutinizerwell, I dunno - maybe they do. TBH I don't care22:11
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DocScrutinizermy carrier supplied pop3 account has SMS notification (plain text) on new mails. I never felt it was worth anything except the geekness factor22:12
DocScrutinizerin fact lately it started to annoy me22:13
DocScrutinizeranyway everybody using NM to 'minimize GSM data traffic' is free to fire up a tcpdump/wireshark and check if it's delivering or if it's a big hoax22:14
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tobis87javispedro: In the config file rx51_defconfig, CONFIG_ARM_THUMB is not set (kernel_2.6.28-20101501+0m5). So not only thumb2 is disabled for the default kernel.22:16
DocScrutinizertrumee: (kills stream) gsm BTS roaming (aka tower handover)?22:16
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tobis87maybe the pr1.3 kernel has the thumb patch included22:19
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MohammadAGdoubtful22:19
DocScrutinizertrumee: or maybe mere variations of available bandwith (it's BTS specific and somewhat shared between all phones booked in and will drop when two are using it concurrently)22:19
javispedrotobis87: you do not really need kernel support for thumb22:20
javispedrosame for jazelle. dunno for thumb2/ee22:20
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DocScrutinizertobis87: kernel will most likely be what's to be found upstream, so expect no bleeding edge new things emerging with PR1.3, in kernel. All that'll be in there is upstream since long22:21
javispedrotobis87: the issue is that the a8 seems to have many errata, making (seemingly) thumb2 unusable.22:22
MohammadAGcan I just rant a little bit about something not really maemo related?22:22
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MohammadAGwhy the fuck doesn't openssh-client replace an offending key22:22
* MohammadAG is done22:22
javispedroMohammadAG: fork it!22:23
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javispedroinsecure-but-i-dont-care-ssh-client22:23
javispedro;22:23
javispedrohm... P key in this keyboard starting to be flaky... too many printfs...22:23
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javispedro"President Obama to Appear on Mythbusters" Slashdot tag? "jumpedtheshark". clearly!22:25
tobis87http://pastebin.com/FLCVKqfb : "flushes the branch target cache at every context switch", wouldn't this decrease the speed in general? And the binutils also have a bug regarding thumb, I read somewhere.22:25
javispedroa workaround, not a bug22:26
javispedrothe bug is on the hardware, the workaround on the linker22:26
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RST38hufff22:33
RST38hdone22:33
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trumeeDocScrutinizer: my internet radio (using mediabox) goes into buffering mode. i have a feeling that auto-update and NM kick in and start consuming bandwidth, thereby reducing the bandwidth available to the internet radio22:39
SpeedEviltcpdump does not care about your puny feelings!22:39
trumeeSpeedEvil: maybe i ought to do a dump.22:40
SpeedEvilI did one of those today.22:40
SpeedEvilI was about 0.8Kg lighter.22:40
trumeeSpeedEvil: on 2g?22:40
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trumeeSpeedEvil: uggh!22:40
SpeedEvilI tend to just use podcasts.22:40
SpeedEvilWell - when I say podcasts, I mean teh excellent get_iplayer to rip BBC streams.22:41
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trumeeSpeedEvil: podcasts not a substitute for my internet radio stream22:41
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tobis87you could also just use a shortwave receiver.22:41
SpeedEvilFair enough - I personally don't care about a day late on stuff.22:41
SpeedEvilI listen to yesterdays news regularly.22:42
ShadSEChey! :)22:42
SpeedEvilIf it's important, I'll see birds falling out of the sky, and the sound of a mighty horn.22:42
SpeedEvilOr someone will mention it on IRC.22:42
trumeethe radio stream i listen to is a ogg stream between 16 to 22kbps. Is that ok on 2g?22:42
javispedroSpeedEvil: such a nice and balanced news source! =)22:43
SpeedEvilIt should generally be.22:43
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SpeedEviljavispedro: I have before now learned of world events on 4chan.22:43
trumeedoes 2.5g has enough bandwidth to cope with 22kbps radio stream>22:43
trumee*?22:43
SpeedEvilI think it was the death of an author.22:43
SpeedEviltrumee: 2G will do ~60kbps22:43
Noobmonk3yanyone here able to give me some advise on QT layouts please?22:44
trumeeSpeedEvil: ah. cool.22:44
SpeedEviltrumee: I would run it, then ps/top/... when it's actually stalling22:44
SpeedEvilsee if it is in fact auto-update or mail kicking in.22:44
trumeeSpeedEvil: i gues i should be looking for modest and what app is for auto-update?22:44
javispedroapt-worker22:45
trumeeissue is that most often i am driving when listening to the radio stream. so cant operate n900.22:45
trumeefeels awesome to listen to internet stream in the car.22:45
SpeedEviltrumee: Well - turn it on now.22:45
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rokr1_i have a problem... i have a successful connection but the DHCP is not working for my N900 for openvpn23:00
rokr1_i have to do ifconfig tap0 up and then ifconfig tap0 192.168.x.x 255.255.255.023:00
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rokr1_then i can connect...23:00
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rokr1_is there any automated script to resolve the issue on server's end ??23:00
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dreamerhow can I see which firmware my n900 currently has?23:05
VladNistor-mobSettings - about product23:06
VladNistor-mobI think23:06
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dreamerhmm, I think I already have the latest23:09
* dreamer still looking for some power-saving tips23:09
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ieatlintmaemo5 pr1.2 is version 10.2010.19-123:09
ieatlintand yeah, it's listed in the about product page23:09
dreamergot the auto-disconnect for wifi and the quick backlight app23:09
ieatlintthe .00x as i recall is localised versions of it23:09
dreamerbut only ~8-9 hours with moderate usage is not a lot23:10
dreamerok, I have pr1.2 then23:10
VladNistor-mobThat's about what i get on mine...23:10
VladNistor-mob20 min of emai/writing in the moring an -20% bat :(23:11
dreamer1 hour with 5 mins in a shell and it dropped 10%23:11
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mcunixwhat extent has the microSD Nokia N900?23:12
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dreamerI'm thinking of getting a 2nd battery to keep with me for emergencies23:12
VladNistor-mobYeah, a second battery should be good :P  i'm thinking of getting one once i close my longs23:13
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dreamerclose your longs?23:14
* MohammadAG has 3, muhahaha23:14
VladNistor-mobLong position on the futures market :)23:14
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VladNistor-mobYou must like the extra weight in ur pocket mate23:15
dreamerMohammadAG: 3 extra batteries? o.O23:16
orospakrfinally got my N900 today!  Trying to work out how to get Conversations/Telepathy to throb the LED when there are unread messages.  Rather to my surprise, that doesn't appear to happen by default.23:16
VladNistor-mobAlright, so I partitioned my internal memory and now have an extra 3 ext4 partitions. Ubuntu doesn't see them :(23:16
dreamerhmm, does the n900 have some sort of cmos-battery? that when you take out the main battery the time doesn't reset? :P23:17
mcunixI have a problem..my n900 not detect microSD23:17
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MohammadAGdreamer, aiming for 423:17
dreameroh, and something weird happened this morning: I transfered some files (video/audio) and the device first couldn't see them. the media-players still can't but I can play with mplayer from the commandline23:18
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chxwhat is the recommended irc client?23:18
rokr1_GTG bye23:18
dreameroh, and one player could see them for a bit, then couldn't see the files, but still play the old playlist with them23:18
VladNistor-mobOrospakr, settings notification lights. Pick your stuff :P23:18
dreamerchx: irssi23:18
SpeedEvilI like xchat chx23:18
wmaroneI prefer xchat, others like irssi23:18
chxhaha23:18
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SpeedEvilSome use pidgin23:18
chxi wantd to ask wherther xchat or  irssi23:18
chxthanks :P23:18
VladNistor-mobI us conversations :)23:18
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SpeedEvilTry one. The worst that can happen is that you hate it so much you go on a killing spree.23:19
chxpidgin?23:19
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chxisnt a multi IM client like... built in?23:19
chxSpeedEvil: haha23:19
jogaimo it's recommended to run the irc client elsewhere and just run ssh :p23:19
SpeedEvilIt doesn't do IRC well.23:19
chxi mean, do i need pidgin ?23:20
VladNistor-mobAt least you see more than with pidgin...23:20
chxfor other IM23:20
VladNistor-mobNope23:20
orospakrVladNistor-mob, heh, excellent. thanks.23:20
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VladNistor-mobChx, it's nice that you have a few to pick from. I like te integration with contacts for Conversations23:21
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chxhow do i know whether i have PR1.2? I have 10.2010.19-1.002 , there are no updates available -- but the screen does not rotate automaticlaly23:23
VladNistorit doesn't rotate for everything :)23:23
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VladNistorchx, that is PR 1.223:24
chx:(23:24
VladNistorMohammad has a few apps working with rotation, like the settings and email23:25
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VladNistorgpodder rotates :)23:25
VladNistorand Conboy23:26
Noobmonk3yhealthcheck will as soon as i figure out layouts in qt lol23:26
VladNistoroh, and the phone rotates :))23:27
VladNistorthat's nice Noobmonk3y23:27
dreamerVladNistor: supposedly fennec does portrait with pr1.2, but it doesn't do here either23:27
dreamerFF4 does though :)23:27
Noobmonk3yhehe :P23:27
VladNistordreamer, yeah, you can turn it on in the browser too, fennec also methinks23:28
dreamerok, can't find it in the setting23:28
dreamerFF4 is pretty sweet btw, but is a bit slow and I bet it eats memory/cpu23:28
dreamer(aka: power ;) )23:28
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chxso like the main screen does not rotate?23:29
VladNistordreamer, there was some key shortcut, cant' remember it23:29
jarkkomsome things are bit annoying to do in Qt without writing your own layout manager, or at least I haven't figured out clean way to do things like having something that is 4x1 grid in landscape and 2x2 in portrait mode23:29
jarkkommeegotouch way is probably better and there was some example code for proxy layouts for qt in noka wiki23:29
VladNistorthe desktop does not. there were some "hacks" to do it methinks23:30
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VladNistorbut i've gotten used to landscape, can't think of using a phone any other way now :P23:30
jarkkomctrl-shift-r is the shortcut23:30
jarkkomtoo bad it doesn't stick because some apps like email work just fine with that23:31
VladNistordreamer, there is an option: options->settings and Enable rotation :))23:31
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dreamerVladNistor: ah, indeed23:34
dreamerVladNistor: hmmm, let's see if the pdf-reader can as well ..23:34
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dreamerhmmm, it doesn,t .. that's really too bad :(23:35
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jarkkomit can with that keyboard shortcut23:36
VladNistorI would hate if the pdf reader rotated :))23:36
VladNistoror maybe not? let's try it23:36
dreamerjarkkom: doesn't work ..23:37
dreamerkind of a weird shortcut anyway ..23:37
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jarkkomworks right now on my N900, hit it only once and then close keyboard as it won't go into portrait mode with keyboard out23:37
VladNistordreamer, it does work, you need to be full-screen23:37
MohammadAGNoobmonk3y, it might seem funny but23:38
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dreamerVladNistor: ctrl+shift+r ?23:38
MohammadAGdon't ignore symbian examples23:38
MohammadAGhe died23:38
jarkkomdreamer, yes23:39
VladNistorbut i can't seem to switch pages in portrait23:39
VladNistordreamer, yes23:39
dreamerit's almost impossible to press, but it doesn't work here ..23:39
VladNistormaybe you pressed it twice :))23:39
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dreamernope, not working :P23:39
VladNistorok, i can go left with the pages but not right :)23:40
VladNistorfreaky23:40
dreamerah, have to close the lid23:40
VladNistorthere you go :P23:40
dreamerbut, then I don't have the buttons to scroll/prev-next page23:41
VladNistorit's the right and left part of the screen, they show up when you first go full-screen23:41
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VladNistorbut on mine the right one doesn't work at all23:42
dreamerVladNistor: I mean the keyboard23:42
VladNistoris anyone else seeing this?23:42
dreamerVladNistor: with the arrows you can go to prev/next page23:42
dreamerVladNistor: yes23:42
dreameroh wait, what?23:42
VladNistoryes, but not in full screen, for mine it only goes left, never to the right23:42
VladNistorwhile in portrait23:42
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dreamerVladNistor: here neither23:43
VladNistor'tis weird this23:43
dreamerthe pdf-reader could use some improvements23:43
dreamerlike the fennec circles for zooming and sideways swiping for changing pages23:44
dreamerthat would be nice23:44
* VladNistor agrees23:44
* VladNistor finds himself circling in pdf and wonders why it doesn't work23:45
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* wmarone wishes he had the urge to rewrite mediabox in c++23:47
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VladNistormediabox is interesting, i was trying it out yesterday. the interface is not consistent though, sometimes you use the top to go back, sometimes the arrow :)23:48
wmaroneyeah23:48
wmaronebut it actually sorts things properly when you're using asian characters23:49
GAN900timsamoff is a liar.23:49
VladNistorthat I have not tried (the asian charecters)23:49
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wmaronebut if you throw a large playlist at it, it'll peg the cpu doing who knows what on song changes23:49
wmaroneand the memory usage is crazy23:49
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VladNistoryup, that's why I decided to keep with the default for now, still looking for alternatives23:50
VladNistorbut once rewritten it could be awesome :P23:50
wmaronethe original decided to stop listing any songs at all fo rme23:50
wmaroneand it won't until I reboot it, which is more than a little annoying23:51
* wmarone wonders why modest is using 50% of the cpu when it doesn't bother to actually download messages every 5 minutes like it used to23:51
VladNistori would kick it if I were you23:51
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wmaroneI should see if there's a profiling tool for python, and run MediaBox through it23:52
VladNistori use mohammad's repackaged one and the cpu hogging is lower now, much more responsive. there are a few bugs though23:52
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wmaroneI should grab that23:52
wmaronebreaking MfE is no longer of concern to me23:52
VladNistoryou just need to set sending messages to text mode and it will send attachments too, otherwise it's just empty emails, lol23:53
javispedroGAN900: which TMO thread did you read? :)23:54
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GAN900javispedro, the one where he says the chair doesn't get special info.23:56
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