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| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: you got all those on Ur list now? :-D | 00:12 |
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| * DocScrutinizer hands GAN900 a beer | 00:14 | |
| DocScrutinizer | GAN900: that's ne of my own, not paid by Nokia :-D | 00:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer | wasabi peas? | 00:15 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, sure | 00:16 |
| GAN900 | DocScrutinizer, you know what's sad? | 00:16 |
| MohammadAG | I'm just thinking of alternative ways | 00:16 |
| MohammadAG | instead of pastebin | 00:16 |
| GAN900 | I can't drink beer anymore because of the gluten. | 00:16 |
| MohammadAG | likde | 00:16 |
| MohammadAG | like* | 00:16 |
| MohammadAG | echo short stuff into this file | 00:16 |
| MohammadAG | echo processes into that | 00:16 |
| MohammadAG | etc, then tar it all up | 00:16 |
| * GAN900 feels like it's naptime. | 00:16 | |
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| DocScrutinizer | GAN900: maybe a nice drink then? | 00:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: adding syslog / dmesg as a separate file to a tarball, instead of spamming all into a single file, sure a better way | 00:24 |
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| GAN900 | DocScrutinizer, usually wine. | 00:25 |
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| dneary | hi all | 00:33 |
| dneary | Anyone know what X-Maemo-Prestarted-Ignore-Load does exactly? | 00:33 |
| dneary | or X-Maemo-Switcher-Icon? | 00:33 |
| * DocScrutinizer51 silently takes away the wasabi peas (ingredients: ... wsheat flour ...) and fetches a bottle red wine and some bacon and cheese | 00:34 | |
| dneary | How about X-Maemo-Wm-Class? | 00:34 |
| kerio | BACON!!!!!!!!!!!! | 00:34 |
| kerio | lcuk: bacon! | 00:34 |
| dneary | kerio, I don't think so... | 00:34 |
| * lcuk ate lots of bacon this week | 00:35 | |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | dneary: what says google? | 00:35 |
| dneary | DocScrutinizer51, Points at questions | 00:35 |
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| dneary | And gitorious :) | 00:36 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | meh | 00:36 |
| dneary | And the wiki page which lists it as a key, with no explanation of what it does | 00:36 |
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| dneary | http://is.gd/g3J8k <- Top 2 links are the wiki page and my question earlier asking what the various extensions do | 00:37 |
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| dneary | Ah... | 00:38 |
| dneary | Found the commit message that added that as a supported key | 00:38 |
| lcuk | dneary, can you access the nb#? | 00:38 |
| dneary | "Added X-Maemo-Wm-Class." | 00:38 |
| dneary | nb#? | 00:38 |
| dneary | Ah - Nokia Bug | 00:39 |
| GAN900 | A BLT sounds really good right about now. | 00:39 |
| dneary | No, I am locked outside the Great Icewall of Finland | 00:39 |
| lcuk | 2009-10-29 Marc Ordinas i Llopis <marc.ordinasillopis@collabora.co.uk> | 00:39 |
| lcuk | Add X-Maemo-Prestarted-Ignore-Load flag to desktop files. If true, | 00:39 |
| lcuk | prestart the app as soon as possible without regards to load or memory | 00:39 |
| lcuk | limits. | 00:39 |
| lcuk | Fixes: NB#145331 | 00:39 |
| lcuk | the commit message answers the question anyway | 00:40 |
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| kerio | do we really need something like that? | 00:41 |
| dneary | Yup - that'll do | 00:41 |
| kerio | shouldn't that be handled by... i dunno, a script in /etc/init.d/? | 00:41 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | isn't it great Nokia keeps this inside his poison locker? | 00:41 |
| dneary | kerio, The thing is there's an OS safeguard that if you're short of memory, it will just not start a service or application | 00:41 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | s/his/their | 00:42 |
| kerio | dneary: and for a good reason | 00:42 |
| lcuk | DocScrutinizer51, its not important, the rules around the optional flag are documented | 00:42 |
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| lcuk | ie mentioned in the commit :P | 00:42 |
| dneary | kerio, So let's say a bug in the start-up means that you're short of memory when you get to starting DBus | 00:43 |
| kerio | dneary, So let's say a bug in linux means that processes are killed randomly every π seconds | 00:43 |
| dneary | DocScrutinizer51, Not a major issue... and part of the (now) publicly documented desktop format | 00:43 |
| dneary | kerio, OK, let's say | 00:44 |
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| dneary | Can we assume mine too? | 00:44 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | lcuk: ******* *** ****** *** address of comitter *** **a***** ** *** **** for that, just in case <- my comment on commit comments for sole documentation | 00:44 |
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| lcuk | DocScrutinizer51, i wholeheartedly agree, but I would just put it rather differently. and you made a typo in your swearing | 00:46 |
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| dneary | lcuk, How does it look now? | 00:50 |
| dneary | http://wiki.maemo.org/Desktop_file_format#Maemo_extension_keys | 00:50 |
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| lcuk | dneary, !! :D nice | 00:54 |
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| lolcat93 | Hello | 00:54 |
| lolcat93 | Can I stream spotify to my maemo device? | 00:55 |
| FauxFaux | Sometimes. | 00:55 |
| lolcat93 | Or should I install spotify on it? | 00:55 |
| FauxFaux | Depending on what mood Yaspot is in. | 00:55 |
| lolcat93 | Desotufy | 00:55 |
| lolcat93 | Despotify | 00:55 |
| lolcat93 | and controll with ssh | 00:55 |
| FauxFaux | Yaspot backs on to despotify and normally works. | 00:55 |
| lolcat93 | oh, dammit, my speakers are usb... | 00:55 |
| * DocScrutinizer51 sighs, and moves his lazy arse over to laptop, to immediately bookmark this wiki page | 00:56 | |
| lolcat93 | I want romantic music to my gf while beeing lazy, preferably controlled by sms | 00:56 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | a toast on dneary | 00:56 |
| Stskeeps | lolcat93: grooveshark client exists too | 00:57 |
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| lolcat93 | Stskeeps: I have no idea what groveshark is | 00:59 |
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| nox- | grooveshark client? for maemo? | 01:03 |
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| nox- | lolcat93, its a `request song' music player website | 01:03 |
| nox- | grooveshark.com | 01:04 |
| nox- | only problem is it uses flash... | 01:04 |
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| lolcat93 | Doesn | 01:06 |
| lolcat93 | t maemo have flash? | 01:06 |
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| javispedro | dneary, | 01:13 |
| javispedro | ow oops. gone already. | 01:13 |
| javispedro | was going to tell him that X-Maemo-Wm-Class might be the never-actually-used "proper name for" StartupWMClass | 01:14 |
| javispedro | the later one being documented and used in the wild. | 01:14 |
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| javispedro | well have to go cya | 01:17 |
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| nox- | lolcat93, i guess it needs flash10, and also flash tends to be resource hog | 01:18 |
| nox- | (says `upgrade flash' or something like that) | 01:19 |
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| dolp | anyone can help me to figure out why does this simple widget keep disappearing from the desktop after like 10mins or so? http://pastebin.com/8xWUUq64 | 01:29 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | great >:-( grooveshark.com just never finished to load, bumped cpu to 100, froze mircrob, and swap/mem usage goes thru the roof - even better: it stays at that even after closing microb | 01:29 |
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| * DocScrutinizer51 *HATES* flash | 01:29 | |
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| kerio | flash player is a fucking disaster | 01:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | killall browserd recovered some of the swap/mem | 01:31 |
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| kerio | make a swapfile, swapon it, swapoff the other and viceversa | 01:32 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | kerio: eh? | 01:32 |
| kerio | cycle the swap | 01:33 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | how's this gonna help against memleaking flash plugin? | 01:33 |
| kerio | i thought you already sigkilled it | 01:33 |
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| * andax hates flash even more than DocScrutinizer | 02:11 | |
| andax | xD | 02:11 |
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| andax | btw: is there something like DynamicHTML available in the public domain? I heard javascript belongs to oracle... o_O | 02:13 |
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| andax | ...silence... | 02:54 |
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| mcunix | esiste un visualizzatore di desktop remoti per N900? | 03:35 |
| jacekowski | english | 03:36 |
| nox- | yeah | 03:37 |
| nox- | if you are asking about rdp, im not sure but there only may be a vnc client | 03:37 |
| jacekowski | there is rdp client | 03:38 |
| nox- | oh | 03:38 |
| jacekowski | but i don't get that visualizzatore part | 03:38 |
| nox- | display? | 03:38 |
| nox- | how's the rdp client called? | 03:38 |
| jacekowski | rdesktop | 03:39 |
| nox- | oh haha | 03:39 |
| * nox- stupid... | 03:39 | |
| jacekowski | according to google | 03:39 |
| jacekowski | there is a remote desktop viewer for N900 | 03:39 |
| jacekowski | that's how that translates | 03:39 |
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| nox- | apt-cache search rdesktop finds nothing, maybe its in another repo? | 03:40 |
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| jacekowski | dunno | 03:44 |
| jacekowski | i have it on my phone | 03:44 |
| jacekowski | https://garage.maemo.org/projects/rdesktop/ | 03:44 |
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| mcunix | there is a re | 04:05 |
| mcunix | there is a remote desktop viewer for nokia N900? | 04:07 |
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| psycho_oreos | did you read what was written above what you just asked? | 04:13 |
| mcunix | ?? | 04:14 |
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| larswey | mcunix, 02:44:39 < jacekowski> https://garage.maemo.org/projects/rdesktop/ | 04:15 |
| nox- | thx jacekowski | 04:15 |
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| mcunix | grazie | 04:17 |
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| mcunix | but that is only for windows?for linux? | 04:22 |
| psycho_oreos | its for linux as a client | 04:22 |
| johnx | mcunix, what are you trying to accomplish? | 04:23 |
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| mcunix | i search a desktop viewer for my n900 to see my pc linux | 04:24 |
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| johnx | so you want a vnc viewer? or do you want to use X11 directly? | 04:25 |
| mcunix | x11 | 04:26 |
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| johnx | you can just use ssh to to forward X11 apps back to your N900 | 04:27 |
| mcunix | ok tanks goodnight...:-) | 04:28 |
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| jpinx-eeepc | johnx: yea- into the n900, but getting X over ssh to work the other way around is a pain | 04:37 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | hmm, irreco is quite nice, but I generally kinda hate IR remotes and prefer RF based ones | 04:58 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | I wonder if I should place one N900 directly in front of TV, and edit device controller for my LG jr..... irreco on second N900 from 'localhost:8765' to 'N900-1:8765' | 05:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer | heyho anybody awake and eager to dive into (kernel) code? | 06:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | irreco uses lirc uses /lib/modules/2.6.28-hostmode1/lirc_rx51.ko | 06:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer | <quote origin=file:///usr/share/doc/packages/lirc/html/help.html#new_remote> If you want to use a config file to send IR commands you should try to vary the modulation frequency of the signals. | 06:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | Using the correct modulation frequency will increase range significantly. | 06:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | You can set the modulation frequency for a remote control by adding the line | 06:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | frequency <freq> | 06:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | to the according section of the config file | 06:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | </quote> | 06:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | on fremantle with lirc and irreco I find ~3..6 config files named or similar in structure to /etc/lircd.conf | 06:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | and it's completely inclear if the lirc_rx51.ko takes a freq parameter at all and from which file | 06:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | so if anybody is complaining about poor range of CIR of N900 (using [qt]irreco) then maybe you want to look into that, and find the proper frequency for your appliance | 06:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | as you know now: >>Using the correct modulation frequency will increase range significantly.<< | 06:29 |
| SpeedEvil | By as much as 10* or more | 06:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | btw there's a bug in irreco spamming /etc/lirc.conf with identical lines >>include "/home/user/MyDocs/irreco/InternalLircDevices/50PG6000"<< | 06:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | this is both nonsense for the multiple identical lines, and also for the nonexisting pathname | 06:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I guess one such line is added for every remote you download in irreco | 06:34 |
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| DocScrutinizer | >>Usually values from 34000 to 44000 are good choices.<< | 06:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | (for <freq>) | 06:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | though I also know of 48000 and even >50000 remotes | 06:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | if you find out which is the right file to add that 'frequency 44000' line, it'd be kind to let me know | 06:42 |
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| DocScrutinizer | candidates: /etc/lircd.conf; /etc/lirc/lircd.conf; /etc/lirc/hardware.conf; /home/user/.irreco/lircd.conf; /home/user/.irreco/*.conf??; /etc/modprobe.d/* line "options lirc_rx51.ko ???=???" (though a modinfo doesn't suggest it takes any parameters) | 06:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | ooh, of course /etc/init.d/lirc | 06:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer | hmm /init.d/lirc seems to suggest the relevant file is /etc/lirc/lircd.conf, I just wonder what /etc/lircd.conf does and who created it | 06:56 |
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| vdv | does anybody know some pdf reader which can reflow text (word wrap)? | 07:00 |
| vdv | for maemo :) | 07:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer | meh, /etc/lircd.conf and /home/user/.irreco/lircd.conf both have same mtime, of today - while /etc/lirc/lircd.conf has mtime of 23.Apr2009 | 07:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer | while for the logic in it, the 'frequency 35555' line belongs into file /home/user/MyDocs/irreco/InternalLircDevices/*(50PG6000 for my LG TV) | 07:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ok, to save you a lot of trying: a line 'frequency 38000' somewhere in /home/user/MyDocs/irreco/InternalLircDevices/* (actual filename to be found in /etc/lircd.conf) will work. I added that line directly after the 'name xyfoobar50PG6000" line next to start of file | 07:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | irreco executes /etc/init.d/lirc, so you don't need to bother about that | 07:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | I get twice the range on LG with 39000 (~3.5), than with 58000 (~1.5m) | 07:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | with 34000 range is shorter than with 39000 | 07:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | but differences from 36000 to 40000 seems very small | 07:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | YMMV | 07:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | ahh, and irreco writes an additional line to /etc/lircd.conf on every program start, so maybe you occasionally want to clean that file before your rootfs is crammed | 07:48 |
| SpeedEvil | From vague recollections of IR reciever modules, some have way tighter filters than others. | 07:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep, that's why YMMV | 07:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | anyway it proves N900 is weak compared to a 'normal' customer IR remote | 07:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | I get a range of ~5..6m easily with the TV genuine remote | 07:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | of course the IR wavelength also might be wrong for some classical IR remotes. If only we knew about the exact type of IR-LED used there | 07:52 |
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| RST38h | Hmm...new laptop twice faster than the old laptop at USB transfers to N900 | 09:29 |
| RST38h | Same USB standard. Go figure... | 09:30 |
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| jpinx-ee1pc | is the wiki down¿? | 09:35 |
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| TermanaN900 | DocScrutinizer, ping | 09:48 |
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| loft306 | yay my buddy in Tuckey just finnaly got an N900 | 10:12 |
| loft306 | i geuss they dont sell them there | 10:12 |
| loft306 | i told thim to take his wife on vacation to europe just dont tell her your goingthere to buy a shone and your secondary for the trip | 10:14 |
| loft306 | *phone | 10:14 |
| ieatlint | that's an awesome story | 10:18 |
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| loft306 | *Turkey | 10:24 |
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| loft306 | ieatlint he has wanted one since i told him about it he was looking at an android at the time | 10:25 |
| loft306 | only wanted to know if it had an ssh app | 10:25 |
| loft306 | like its nix ofcourse | 10:26 |
| loft306 | <loft306> power where you get the phone? | 10:26 |
| loft306 | <power> well,from a guy who lives in russia | 10:26 |
| loft306 | <power> the keyboard have both qwerty layout and russian printed on keys | 10:26 |
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| Goliath23 | hi | 10:41 |
| Goliath23 | whats a good way to write a debug log file of a homescreen widget? /tmp? | 10:42 |
| Goliath23 | s/way/place/ | 10:42 |
| infobot | Goliath23 meant: whats a good place to write a debug log file of a homescreen widget? /tmp? | 10:42 |
| Goliath23 | yep :) | 10:42 |
| Goliath23 | lol | 10:42 |
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| RST38h | wazzzzd | 11:53 |
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| dreamer | hey all, just got my n900 yesterday and playing with it like mad :D | 11:58 |
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| brik | :) | 11:58 |
| alterego | Welcome to club Maemo | 11:59 |
| dreamer | so, I'm trying the advanced-power-monitor ( http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=24905 ), but after reboot I don't have any battery-monitor on my desktop anymore | 11:59 |
| dreamer | alterego: looking forward to meego too ;) | 11:59 |
| alterego | :) | 11:59 |
| alterego | Yeah, it's coming along nicely, will be a while before we have something good enough to replace Maemo though | 12:00 |
| mavhc | my n810 is really confused about charging, most of the time, when power is unplugged, it still says it's charging, it doesn't charge fully overnight, it turns off without warning, and the touchscreen often needs recalibrating. So, battery replacement needed, software problem, or hardware? | 12:01 |
| pupnik_ | sounds broken | 12:02 |
| dreamer | so, anyone an idea where my battery monitor went? or should I reboot again to see if it comes up? (that is really a windows solution though :P) | 12:03 |
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| MohammadAG51 | N900 got dented :/ | 12:05 |
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| alterego | Battle scars every N900 should have 'em :D | 12:05 |
| pupnik_ | wow | 12:05 |
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| dreamer | hmm, nope, still no battery monitor :/ | 12:12 |
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| psycho_oreos | any of you guys noticed a strange behaviour that some music players/games won't play audio through to bluetooth headsets when N900 is already paired with one? I've only just noticed today that all of the sudden audio is actually playing through my headsets using instinctiv. I'm looking through the kernel logs as I believe there has been some issues that may have led up to muted audio to bluetooth headset | 12:47 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 13:17 |
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| RST38h | Meanwhile: http://www.hs.fi/english/article/Record+numbers+of+Finns+resign+from+church+after+gay+rights+panel+discussion+on+TV+/1135260896872 | 13:21 |
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| loft306 | heh | 13:25 |
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| dreamer | hmm, I'm trying to change the default shell to bash wth chsh, but I get a '/bin/bash is an invalid shell.' | 13:32 |
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| psycho_oreos | are you sure you have installed bash3? | 13:37 |
| SpeedEvil | dreamer: the normal scrips do not work with badsh, and you end up witha device ahte bootloops if you do that. | 13:38 |
| SpeedEvil | scripts | 13:38 |
| SpeedEvil | bash | 13:38 |
| SpeedEvil | that | 13:38 |
| * SpeedEvil sighs. | 13:39 | |
| psycho_oreos | isn't it bash-setup that is borked? I dunno I just manually edit /etc/passwd lol | 13:39 |
| SpeedEvil | dunno | 13:39 |
| SpeedEvil | I just remember that maybe half a dozen people have bootlooped their device trying | 13:39 |
| psycho_oreos | I've tried numerous times to set the logged in user (which is obviously user) as bash but it never works | 13:39 |
| psycho_oreos | ahh yes | 13:40 |
| SpeedEvil | Also - bash is considerably slower with scripting. | 13:40 |
| psycho_oreos | I wouldn't dare symlink /bin/ash with /bin/bash lol I saw that coming real quick when autodisconnect fails to work | 13:40 |
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| SpeedEvil | As with busybox, everything is uilt in - so all of the 'builtin' commands start lots fasrter, with less RAM use. | 13:40 |
| psycho_oreos | the only problem is that busybox's standard ash or sh is somewhat less user friendly | 13:41 |
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| dreamer | SpeedEvil: ah .. hmm, so I can't use it as the default shell? | 13:43 |
| dreamer | or any other shell except for the default ash? | 13:43 |
| SpeedEvil | nope. | 13:43 |
| dreamer | meh | 13:43 |
| SpeedEvil | Well - not without verifying all of the scripts run as user work OK | 13:43 |
| SpeedEvil | Look at ls -l /bin/|grep busybox | 13:44 |
| SpeedEvil | All of these start considerably faster with busybox than bash or whatever, and use less RAM, as they are mostly already in RAM | 13:44 |
| SpeedEvil | For scripting, on a constrained platform, busybox is clearly the correct solution. | 13:45 |
| psycho_oreos | I use /bin/bash as default shell for my own account, works fine, just don't go symlinking /bin/ash or /bin/sh as /bin/bash lol | 13:46 |
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| psycho_oreos | doesn't mean that you'll need to code work with /bin/bash it just means that you now have 3rd option | 13:46 |
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| psycho_oreos | s/code/script/ | 13:46 |
| infobot | psycho_oreos meant: doesn't mean that you'll need to script work with /bin/bash it just means that you now have 3rd option | 13:46 |
| SpeedEvil | Souns sane - I haven't investigated closely. | 13:46 |
| SpeedEvil | replacing sh with bash was never very interesting to me. | 13:47 |
| dreamer | psycho_oreos: I installed bash with apt yes | 13:47 |
| dreamer | I'm also considering zsh actually (don't know if that's available though) | 13:47 |
| dreamer | heard many wonderfull things about it ;) | 13:47 |
| psycho_oreos | dreamer, I meant bash3, and manually edit /etc/passwd (if you're confident with CLI work) | 13:47 |
| psycho_oreos | SpeedEvil, I wouldn't do symlinking, you'd probably end up bootloops :D | 13:47 |
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| dreamer | psycho_oreos: I did usermod -s /bin/bash user | 13:48 |
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| dreamer | seemed to work, but my regular .bashrc didn't seem to do anything (fancy colouring and such) | 13:48 |
| psycho_oreos | dreamer, ahh I didn't try that.. I tried bash-setup a couple of times before giving it up and hand editing /etc/passwd | 13:48 |
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| dreamer | psycho_oreos: tried chsh first, didn't work (but maybe because of busybox' commands), anyway for you bash seems to work just fine with busybox' scripts? | 13:49 |
| psycho_oreos | you'll need to symlink it with .bash_profile.. my one when I hand edited /etc/passwd gave me colourful prompt for user which is not what I want and I found out symlinking ~/.bash_profile to ~/.bashrc works | 13:49 |
| psycho_oreos | dreamer, yes as long as busybox scripts continue using /bin/ash or /bin/sh respectively.. like I said I only changed it for user logins or else you'd have a very fubared setup :) | 13:50 |
| pupnik_ | see solitaire on wine on n900? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfcEsJc74Qs | 13:51 |
| dreamer | psycho_oreos: ok, well with userbod it should only by for user right? :) | 13:51 |
| dreamer | mod* | 13:51 |
| dreamer | be* | 13:51 |
| dreamer | (typoterror in this chan eh?) | 13:51 |
| psycho_oreos | dreamer, never really tried that :) | 13:51 |
| dreamer | usermod is the same as editting /etc/passwd afaik | 13:51 |
| dreamer | except you don't need to use an editor ;) | 13:52 |
| psycho_oreos | sometimes proper user intervention armed with nothing than a text editor is the only way :D | 13:52 |
| psycho_oreos | if usermod has successfully changed user's shell to bash, you should be able to grep that via /etc/passwd | 13:53 |
| psycho_oreos | grep /bin/bash /etc/passwd | 13:54 |
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| dreamer | psycho_oreos: yup | 13:57 |
| psycho_oreos | any of you guys managed to install man-db? looks like I managed to make a massive dep hell | 13:57 |
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| dreamer | anyway, back to trying to get ssh-agent to work with this: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=19370 | 13:59 |
| dreamer | specifically the .bash_profile snippet at the end, or does anyone have another sollution to this? | 14:00 |
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| dreamer | wewt, got ssh-agent working \o/ | 14:18 |
| dreamer | this phone is getting better and better ;) | 14:18 |
| dreamer | too bad advanced-power-manager didn't work | 14:18 |
| psycho_oreos | dreamer, you got bt headset/headphone? | 14:21 |
| dreamer | no, why? | 14:21 |
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| psycho_oreos | curious, got an issue with intermittent audio not working through bt headset | 14:21 |
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| jpinx-eeepc | dreamer: I am trying to get X over ssh to work, but I can't get the display to come up in the laptop that is ssh'd in | 14:29 |
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| dreamer | jpinx-eeepc: so? why you telling me? :P | 14:39 |
| jpinx-eeepc | asking -- in case you had managed it... | 14:39 |
| dreamer | I barely have my n900 for 24 hours | 14:39 |
| dreamer | but ehm, this a general ssh-question? | 14:40 |
| dreamer | eh, x-forwarding | 14:40 |
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| dreamer | what are you using on your work-pc? (on linux or windoze?) | 14:41 |
| jpinx-eeepc | linux - debian stable | 14:42 |
| jpinx-eeepc | I ssh in with -x AS PER USUAL | 14:42 |
| jpinx-eeepc | Ooops | 14:43 |
| jpinx-eeepc | and sshfs works fine too | 14:43 |
| jpinx-eeepc | I have a custom chroot of squeeze in the n900 and installed links2 to test from the remote laptop, but links2 -g google.com pops up on the phone screen | 14:44 |
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| alterego | I guess I should do a full backup of my N900 | 14:46 |
| * haj just remembers it's been a while since he rsync'ed his N900... :) | 14:47 | |
| * psycho_oreos is being reminded of dar | 14:48 | |
| psycho_oreos | dreamer, did you find out more info about zsh on n900? | 14:52 |
| dreamer | psycho_oreos: nope, didn't look :P | 14:53 |
| psycho_oreos | dreamer, http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Ruskie | 14:53 |
| dreamer | jpinx-eeepc: thought it was -X ;) | 14:53 |
| dreamer | jpinx-eeepc: is the server set up to enable x-forwarding? | 14:53 |
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| jpinx-eeepc | yes . sorry for the typo - it's actually ssh -tX blah | 14:54 |
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| dreamer | psycho_oreos: ok, so it's in the repo .. but he says 'don't use it as the default', but is that for user or for the system? :P | 14:55 |
| dreamer | psycho_oreos: anyway, I'm happy that I got ssh-agent to work now ;) | 14:55 |
| jpinx-eeepc | and the laptop is already used for ssh x-forwarding from another box | 14:55 |
| dreamer | jpinx-eeepc: ok, then it's just weird :P | 14:55 |
| psycho_oreos | dreamer, its in a custom repo and I think it might be for the user but not that I have tried zsh or that repo anyway. I'm browsing the repo as we speak | 14:56 |
| dreamer | maybe ask in #debian or the distro-channel of your laptop. not in any way #maemo related | 14:56 |
| jpinx-eeepc | dreamer: yea - it's to do with how consoles are allocated in maemo - I'll sort it later, just hoped for a shortcut ;) | 14:57 |
| dreamer | jpinx-eeepc: ok wait, you _are_ trying to x-forward on your maemo device? | 14:57 |
| dreamer | because you mentioned your home-laptop and work-pc .. so not sure what you mean | 14:58 |
| jpinx-eeepc | yes | 14:58 |
| jpinx-eeepc | dreamer: a chroot in the n900, ssh -tX in from my laptop, run links2 -g google.com from remote and it comes up in the n900 screen | 14:59 |
| dreamer | ok, I have no idea why you would do a setup like that :P | 14:59 |
| jpinx-eeepc | so that I can use a decent-sized kbd and screen whie running X applications on the n900 | 15:00 |
| * dreamer try BlessN900 | 15:00 | |
| psycho_oreos | you'll need to restart N900 after installing that | 15:01 |
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| dreamer | psycho_oreos: I know :) | 15:01 |
| * dreamer wishes he was in a world where qwerty was not the standard keyboard layout | 15:01 | |
| dreamer | to be honest it really does not work well when typing with your thumbs (or any other time tbh) | 15:02 |
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| psycho_oreos | well you can get azwerty keyboard I think for n900 | 15:02 |
| dreamer | same | 15:03 |
| * dreamer likes dvorak | 15:03 | |
| dreamer | the n900 keyboard isn't very optimal anyway, I've seen some 4-rowed smartphones that looked more logical | 15:03 |
| dreamer | ah well | 15:03 |
| dreamer | the rest of the specs are awesome ;) | 15:03 |
| * psycho_oreos has never used any other keyboard other than qwerty.. granted the keyboard on n900 is puny making most of the typing a thumbwork but then again | 15:03 | |
| dreamer | psycho_oreos: if you like your hands, don't use qwerty ;) | 15:04 |
| jpinx-eeepc | hence my use of a thin client ;) | 15:04 |
| psycho_oreos | yeah someone else also complained about 3 row keyboard for n900 | 15:04 |
| dreamer | jpinx-eeepc: oh now it's a thin client? | 15:04 |
| dreamer | so how many computers are you using to x-forward? :P | 15:04 |
| psycho_oreos | dreamer, lol ok I'm not willing to go into keyboard layout wars :) | 15:04 |
| dreamer | hehe | 15:05 |
| jpinx-eeepc | dreamer: a laptop ssh'd into the n900 to operte the n900 apps - a thin client | 15:05 |
| dreamer | ah well, it's all the fault of the typewriter industry :( | 15:05 |
| psycho_oreos | mouse can be argued as the least hand friendliest :) known to cause RSI and even worse CTS | 15:05 |
| dreamer | jpinx-eeepc: I thought the home-laptop was the one forwarding | 15:05 |
| dreamer | and the work-pc the client | 15:05 |
| dreamer | didn't really understand what te n900 even had to do with it :P | 15:06 |
| ShadowJK | the actual keys on the N900 are awesome though | 15:06 |
| jpinx-eeepc | dreamer: the n900 is where everything runs | 15:06 |
| ShadowJK | everything else has so flat keys, with no distinctive feel for when you've pressed the key or not | 15:06 |
| psycho_oreos | i.e. touchscreen? :) | 15:06 |
| dreamer | jpinx-eeepc: maybe explain your topology again | 15:06 |
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| kloklo | hello | 15:07 |
| psycho_oreos | I remember someone posted a link in here about how there was experimental work on n900 in making touchscreen feels a little more like touching keys or something | 15:07 |
| jpinx-eeepc | dreamer: n900 with USB cable to laptop. Laptop ssh -tX user@n900. Run X application from the cli over ssh and it does not come up in the laptop screen, but on the n900 screen | 15:08 |
| psycho_oreos | too bad it's not available for the production series of n900 it was some privately made stuff | 15:08 |
| psycho_oreos | kloklo, hi | 15:08 |
| jpinx-eeepc | kloklo: o/ | 15:08 |
| kloklo | excuse me, is there a way to have irc in conversation ? (like the msn, skype plugin) | 15:09 |
| psycho_oreos | doubt it | 15:09 |
| kloklo | (sorry for my poor english btw, i'm french..) | 15:09 |
| jpinx-eeepc | kloklo: not sure exactly which way round you want to do it, but bitlbee puts all messangers into an irc client | 15:10 |
| psycho_oreos | http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn19510-nokia-touchscreen-creates-texture-illusion.html | 15:10 |
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| dreamer | jpinx-eeepc: then what did your work-pc have to do with it? | 15:10 |
| * jpinx-eeepc does not remember mentioning a work pc | 15:11 | |
| dreamer | ok, my bad then .. I thought you did :P | 15:11 |
| jpinx-eeepc | :) | 15:11 |
| dreamer | jpinx-eeepc: anyway, did you set /etc/ssh/ssh_config ForwardX11 yes ? | 15:11 |
| kloklo | jpinx-eeepc: mm, no the idea was to have some sort of irc directly in conversation on n900... | 15:11 |
| psycho_oreos | I can't really imagine how conversation would work with irc, one would have so many users popping up in contacts lol | 15:12 |
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| dreamer | jpinx-eeepc: lol, I see where I got it wrong: 'X over ssh to work' << I thought you wanted to forward ssh to your work ;) | 15:12 |
| dreamer | haha | 15:12 |
| dreamer | sorry, not really awake yet (ahum, got up like 4 hours ago ..) | 15:13 |
| jpinx-eeepc | heh | 15:13 |
| kloklo | psycho_oreos: yeah i know, just wanted to try :) | 15:13 |
| jpinx-eeepc | kloklo: irssi works in the n900 for irc | 15:13 |
| psycho_oreos | and then there's xchat | 15:13 |
| kloklo | yeah i already use xchat, it's good | 15:14 |
| jpinx-eeepc | kloklo: and bitlbee *is* what you want | 15:14 |
| jpinx-eeepc | unless I am totally misunderstanding you | 15:14 |
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| psycho_oreos | kloklo, no afaik it isn't available.. maybe you can start making one.. but I think one will be humiliated.. I mean what if one is in multiple channels whereby there's at least more than 100 users per channel? :) | 15:14 |
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| dreamer | jpinx-eeepc: so, did you set that config? | 15:14 |
| kloklo | jpinx-eeepc: haha why ? bitlbee iirc is for having msn/etc.. on irc .. | 15:15 |
| psycho_oreos | spend eternity scrolling through contacts if you don't recall a handle's first letter | 15:15 |
| jpinx-eeepc | kloklo: that's what you want - chatrooms in yahoo in your irc client -- am I right? | 15:15 |
| kloklo | yep i know | 15:15 |
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| kloklo | my idea was to connect to my own irc server (with pratically no one on it..) and then when the few people who comes on it are talking, i can see it, without the need to have a full irc client (xchat or irssi) always on..(battery wise..) | 15:17 |
| ShadowJK | I think the biggest energy cost is for the communications, not the CPU | 15:18 |
| ShadowJK | atleast in the case of xchat | 15:18 |
| psycho_oreos | to have irc server on n900 would somewhat be overkill and I don't think there would be that many people use IRC these days.. hardly any of my peers use IRC | 15:18 |
| ShadowJK | (the one in maemo repositories have had all the CPU consumption during idle cut out) | 15:18 |
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| dreamer | just run irssi with bitlbee on a server somewhere | 15:19 |
| alterego | Right, well, I've done a selective backup of what I want to keep, and I've done a full backup just incase I've forgotten anything ^.^ | 15:19 |
| dreamer | you only need a terminal on your n900 .. and hey, it's already there! | 15:19 |
| korhojoa | that is what i do, i've got irssi with bitlbee on a serer at home | 15:19 |
| korhojoa | i also have irssi running on the phone, which connects using irssi_proxy | 15:19 |
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| dreamer | I haven't used bitlbee in about 6 months though .. too lazy to set it up again :P | 15:19 |
| korhojoa | this provides access even when connectivity is bad | 15:19 |
| korhojoa | setting it up is trivial | 15:20 |
| kloklo | but then you have to manually check if there is activity on the channels.. | 15:20 |
| dvoid_ | i need a text to speech-call function to maemo ;) | 15:20 |
| vdv | have anybody tried to install diff? | 15:20 |
| dreamer | hmmm irssi_proxy? | 15:20 |
| kloklo | with a plugin, the led can blinks and tell you | 15:20 |
| korhojoa | yes, irssi_proxy. it lets you run irssi as a kind of bouncer | 15:20 |
| dreamer | hmm | 15:21 |
| jpinx-eeepc | dreamer: # ForwardX11 no | 15:21 |
| jpinx-eeepc | commented out . or should I uncomment it and say "yes"- | 15:21 |
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| dreamer | jpinx-eeepc: uncomment and say yes | 15:22 |
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| kloklo | in fact i actually saw and tested a plugin for that, too bad it didn't work :) | 15:22 |
| kloklo | http://maemo.org/packages/view/account-plugin-idle/ | 15:23 |
| jpinx-eeepc | korhojoa: not having a server at home I use screen and leave irssi running ;) | 15:23 |
| dreamer | korhojoa: hmmm, sorry, I prefer just running irssi in screen and connecting over ssh :P | 15:23 |
| dreamer | don't need to run irss local :p | 15:23 |
| korhojoa | yeah, but that's really not an option when on a train here | 15:23 |
| korhojoa | connectivity is really really bad, so ssh keeps getting disconnected | 15:23 |
| dreamer | hmm, trie | 15:23 |
| dreamer | true* | 15:23 |
| korhojoa | local irssi just takes a while to get messages, but it at least doesn't require me to reconnect all the time | 15:23 |
| dreamer | well, ssh didn't disconnect or timeout here, but it's not big fun :P | 15:24 |
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| kloklo | mm, i will test xchat on a day-usage to see if it drains the battery :) | 15:27 |
| jpinx-eeepc | dreamer: ok - did the uncomment and changed to yes, restarted ssh , but same result - links2 -g google.com comes up in the n900 screen | 15:27 |
| dreamer | ok, because that is the exact config that would enable it for you :P | 15:28 |
| dreamer | did you completely restart sshd? | 15:28 |
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| kloklo | see ya guys | 15:29 |
| jpinx-eeepc | dreamer: /etc/init.d/ssh restart | 15:29 |
| kloklo | have a nice day | 15:29 |
| kloklo | bye | 15:29 |
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| jpinx-eeepc | dreamer: all done as root | 15:30 |
| dreamer | k, I don't have sshd installed, so can't check | 15:30 |
| dreamer | and kind of have other stuff to do | 15:30 |
| dreamer | good luck though :) | 15:30 |
| jpinx-eeepc | dreamer: ok - thanks anyway :) | 15:31 |
| dreamer | ttl | 15:31 |
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| steinex | can i safely remove ~/MyDocs/.Trash-1000? | 15:49 |
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| jpinx-eeepc | steinex: I suggest you can delete it's contents, but the system might depend on it existing | 15:54 |
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| steinex | i mean the content of course ;) | 15:54 |
| steinex | just wondered that there is a trash anyway | 15:54 |
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| jpinx-eeepc | let me look... | 15:56 |
| jpinx-eeepc | steinex: I do not appear to have that file | 15:58 |
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| vdv | how can i look package detail info with dpkg? | 16:12 |
| SpeedEvil | apt-cache show less | 16:13 |
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| jpinx-eeepc | I have ssh -Xt into my n900 over usb networking, installed a chroot of squeeze there, installed links2, set X-forwarding to "yes" in both the phones native OS and in the chroot, but the display of links2 -g google.com still comes up in the phone, not the laptop - any ideas anyone? | 16:18 |
| SpeedEvil | check your /etc/sshd/config - or whatever the file is - is set to allow it | 16:20 |
| lindi- | jpinx-eeepc: echo $DISPLAY | 16:20 |
| jpinx-eeepc | SpeedEvil: ForwardX11 yes | 16:22 |
| jpinx-eeepc | lindi-: in the laptop or the phone? | 16:22 |
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| jacktheripper | does the N900 have a gyroscope ? | 16:23 |
| jacktheripper | I saw one mentioned i the hardware page, but no info on how to use it, just the accelerometer | 16:23 |
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| jacktheripper | oh it's under 'additional hardware'.. | 16:24 |
| Ergon | maemo | 16:24 |
| jpinx-eeepc | lindi-: jpinx@chroot-N900:/# echo $DISPLAY | 16:25 |
| jpinx-eeepc | :0.0 | 16:25 |
| Ergon | maemo | 16:25 |
| jpinx-eeepc | Ergon: root@Nokia-N900:~# echo $DISPLAY | 16:26 |
| jpinx-eeepc | :0.0 | 16:26 |
| Ergon | maemo | 16:26 |
| psycho_oreos | interesting iputils and valgrind is not available in the tools repo | 16:27 |
| Ergon | maemo | 16:27 |
| lcuk | Ergon, :D | 16:27 |
| Ergon | maemo | 16:27 |
| psycho_oreos | banstick anyone? :) | 16:28 |
| Ergon | why | 16:28 |
| lcuk | psycho_oreos, valgrind was not working on arm until recently afaik | 16:28 |
| psycho_oreos | Ergon, all you do is repeat `maemo' | 16:28 |
| psycho_oreos | lcuk, bah | 16:28 |
| Ergon | psycho_oreos: it's correct | 16:29 |
| jpinx-eeepc | lindi-: sorry - those pastes were for you | 16:29 |
| Ergon | maemo | 16:29 |
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| psycho_oreos | Ergon, and you don't have anything better to do than to repeat `maemo' with occasional responses to words other than `maemo'? | 16:30 |
| Ergon | maemo is correct | 16:30 |
| lindi- | psycho_oreos: valgrind support for arm is still bit incomplete? | 16:31 |
| Ergon | maemo | 16:31 |
| psycho_oreos | lindi-, I dunno I couldn't get the package installed | 16:31 |
| Ergon | maemo | 16:32 |
| lcuk | Ergon, :) what do you like most about maemo | 16:32 |
| psycho_oreos | despite it being noted on the wiki as dev tools for fremantle | 16:32 |
| Ergon | lcuk: that it's correct | 16:32 |
| lcuk | define correct | 16:32 |
| Ergon | maemo is a correct word | 16:32 |
| lcuk | maemo is a word generated by a password gen thingy, its enetered normal use as an uber cool debian based os, but what do you specifically like about maemo beyond just the word itself | 16:33 |
| Ergon | maemo is a word with an immense beauty. | 16:34 |
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| lcuk | which way do you pronounce it? | 16:34 |
| MohammadAG | sounds like a bot to me | 16:34 |
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| Ergon | meimo | 16:34 |
| Ergon | mohammadag sucks | 16:34 |
| jacktheripper | too bad it's being replaced by meego -.- | 16:35 |
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| Ergon | maemo | 16:36 |
| xDaReaperx | yeah as i was asking : how many meters can the FM Transmit frequencies to ? if it is set to 120 as the max transmissino rate | 16:36 |
| MohammadAG | bot! | 16:36 |
| Ergon | mohammadag: silence. | 16:36 |
| Ergon | you suck. | 16:36 |
| lardman | ~curse Debian for their naming scheme | 16:36 |
| infobot | May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, Debian for their naming scheme ! | 16:36 |
| MohammadAG | smart one | 16:36 |
| lcuk | xDaReaperx, its different based on environmental conditions | 16:36 |
| Ergon | maemo | 16:36 |
| lcuk | with a large reciever dish you could potentially pick up the signal from 100s of miles away :P | 16:36 |
| Ergon | maemo | 16:37 |
| xDaReaperx | hmm at 111 it transmits only upto 1-2 meters | 16:37 |
| xDaReaperx | for me | 16:37 |
| lardman | What do you think one would call this in Debian? http://pythonqt.sourceforge.net/ | 16:37 |
| xDaReaperx | weird | 16:37 |
| Ergon | maemo | 16:37 |
| MohammadAG | installing a bot | 16:37 |
| Ergon | maemo | 16:37 |
| MohammadAG | nope, doesn't reply to bot... | 16:37 |
| xDaReaperx | Oh okay it's also based on how you receive the frequencies | 16:37 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, DocScrutinizer51 ping? +q in order | 16:37 |
| Ergon | mohammadag is a moron | 16:38 |
| xDaReaperx | =/ | 16:38 |
| MohammadAG | lol? | 16:38 |
| Ergon | maemo | 16:38 |
| maybeWTF | mmmatt damon? | 16:38 |
| lcuk | yes xDaReaperx - some cars have antennas which are not in direct line of sight through the window and the signal has to travel through the metal roof | 16:38 |
| Ergon | maemo is a correct and beautiful word | 16:38 |
| xDaReaperx | Hmm i was playing it on my Home theater .. didn't try it in my car yet | 16:39 |
| Ergon | maemo is a correct and beautiful word. do you concur? | 16:39 |
| MohammadAG | ok? | 16:40 |
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| Ergon | do you concur, moron? | 16:41 |
| lardman | Ergon: shut up | 16:41 |
| Ergon | lardman sucks | 16:41 |
| * lardman is not overly happy | 16:41 | |
| RST38h | moo, lardman | 16:41 |
| Ergon | haha | 16:41 |
| lardman | saturday shopping does that to a man | 16:41 |
| lardman | hey RST38h | 16:42 |
| Ergon | lardman is a douchebag | 16:42 |
| MohammadAG | ugh for fuck's sake | 16:42 |
| xDaReaperx | lol | 16:42 |
| MohammadAG | what do ops do on this channel | 16:42 |
| lardman | someone kick him | 16:42 |
| * MohammadAG pings Stskeeps and GeneralAntilles | 16:42 | |
| Ergon | mohammadag: go back to mekka | 16:42 |
| RST38h | And what is this little funny fece? | 16:42 |
| Ergon | maemo | 16:42 |
| MohammadAG | nice, it's not a bot | 16:42 |
| Ergon | mohammadag is a muslim | 16:42 |
| Stskeeps | MohammadAG: what? | 16:43 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 16:43 |
| MohammadAG | thanks for the input captain obvious lol | 16:43 |
| xDaReaperx | lol wut ? | 16:43 |
| RST38h | Good! WE HAVE GOT A LIVE ONE! | 16:43 |
| MohammadAG | Stskeeps, annoying bot/retard, whatever | 16:43 |
| Stskeeps | Ergon: what are you? | 16:43 |
| Ergon | an ergon. | 16:43 |
| lardman | MohammadAG: not bright enough to be a bot | 16:43 |
| maybeWTF | eliza gone wild, maemo edition | 16:43 |
| RST38h | Stskeeps: Do you really want to know that or should an IP address ban suffice? | 16:43 |
| MohammadAG | lol | 16:43 |
| Ergon | mohammadag sucks | 16:44 |
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| *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Stskeeps | 16:44 | |
| *** Stskeeps sets mode: +q Ergon!*@* | 16:44 | |
| *** ChanServ sets mode: -o Stskeeps | 16:44 | |
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| RST38h | Wrong move. | 16:44 |
| lardman | thanks Stskeeps | 16:44 |
| lardman | what does mode +q do? | 16:45 |
| RST38h | quiets him | 16:45 |
| MohammadAG | quiet | 16:45 |
| lardman | ok | 16:45 |
| RST38h | But setting it to a nickname is kinda useless | 16:45 |
| MohammadAG | that's an ident, not a nickname | 16:45 |
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| jpinx-eeepc | lindi-: did you get my DISPLAY settings? | 16:45 |
| RST38h | No. | 16:45 |
| xDaReaperx_ | wow it is true , can't see the 360p and 480p options on youtube while browsing with the N900 | 16:46 |
| RST38h | Anything to the left of ! is nickname | 16:46 |
| psycho_oreos | user!ident@host | 16:46 |
| * lardman prepares to do some Debianisation | 16:46 | |
| lardman | urgh | 16:46 |
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| lindi- | jpinx-eeepc: yes, it points to local display | 16:47 |
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| psycho_oreos | any of you guys have bluetooth headset/headphone and uses music players like instinctiv or symfonie and have music playing through bluetooth headset/headphones? I'm having intermittent issues with mine, it has only worked once so far. Every other time I don't get sounds coming out of my bluetooth headset/headphone. | 16:48 |
| lardman | would people be unhappy if I pushed a package called python-qt? | 16:48 |
| lardman | it looks rather similar to the pyqt package names | 16:48 |
| jpinx-eeepc | lindi-: so how do I make it point to the laptop when the command comes over ssh? | 16:49 |
| lardman | oops, or rather mine would be called pythonqt, with no - | 16:49 |
| MohammadAG | lardman, I'd ask achipa first | 16:49 |
| lindi- | jpinx-eeepc: what ssh server and client are you using? | 16:49 |
| MohammadAG | /atilia77 on tmo | 16:49 |
| jpinx-eeepc | lindi-: openssh | 16:49 |
| lardman | it's not PyQt, it's allows Python scripts to be called from inside Qt | 16:49 |
| lardman | and is actually called PythonQt confusingly | 16:49 |
| lardman | hence my larting the Debian naming scheme | 16:50 |
| lindi- | jpinx-eeepc: I guess enabling ForwardX11 on both ends and installing xauth should be enough | 16:50 |
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| MohammadAG | lardman, python-qt-scripts? | 16:50 |
| jpinx-eeepc | lindi-: done all that and restarted ssh | 16:51 |
| lardman | MohammadAG: bit ambiguous though that name | 16:52 |
| lardman | though I guess pythonqt is too | 16:52 |
| lardman | perhaps I could go for qtpython as it does the reverse of python-qt ;) | 16:53 |
| lardman | in fact I think I'll leave it called pythonqt, as that is the sourceforge name, and make it clear in the description what it's for | 16:54 |
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| lardman | ah, perhaps libpythonqt | 16:56 |
| * lardman should really get on with Debianising rather than talking about it to delay the pain | 16:57 | |
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| noodles900 | lindi-: on restartng ssh in the n900 I get this http://paste.debian.net/96744/ | 17:09 |
| GAN900 | I know I love it when MicroB decides to rerender pages for no reason while you're reading them. | 17:10 |
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| flux | gan900, ..and mess a finely rendered page in the process.. | 17:17 |
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| atorok | hi, does anyone have connection problems with yahoo IM ? | 17:27 |
| atorok | it just stoped working for me | 17:27 |
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| jpinx-eeepc | atorok: I'm online there atm | 17:28 |
| * lardman is quite impressed by the maemo packaging/debianisation docs | 17:31 | |
| lardman | well done dneary | 17:31 |
| atorok | on http://maemo.org/downloads/product/Maemo5/account-plugin-haze/ and it seems other people are having this trouble too ... | 17:32 |
| atorok | jpinx-eeepc: did you do any upgradeing lateley ? | 17:32 |
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| jpinx-eeepc | atorok: upgrading of what? | 17:37 |
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| atorok | jpinx-eeepc: anything. I got an for some packages a couple of days ago | 17:38 |
| atorok | that might have caused it | 17:38 |
| atorok | i didn't chekc exactly what was it | 17:38 |
| jpinx-eeepc | atorok: I update often | 17:38 |
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| atorok | jpinx-eeepc: how about in the last 3 days or so ? | 17:39 |
| atorok | jpinx-eeepc: do you have pending updates now? | 17:39 |
| jpinx-eeepc | often = daily | 17:39 |
| lardman | hmm, error: Python.h: No such file or directory | 17:39 |
| jpinx-eeepc | atorok: everytime you open apps manager it hunts for updates. | 17:40 |
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| MohammadAG | does hildon allow non full screen popups? | 17:44 |
| ruskie | dreamer, don't use it as default anywhere | 17:44 |
| dreamer | ruskie: bash? | 17:44 |
| ruskie | dreamer, zsh | 17:44 |
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| lardman | Does python come with a pkgconfig file, apparently not, does one have to manually add include paths for apps that require python then? | 17:44 |
| dreamer | ok, not that interested to use zsh actually, just wondering | 17:44 |
| dreamer | ruskie: why not actually? | 17:44 |
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| lardman | MohammadAG: dialogs? | 17:45 |
| ruskie | dreamer, all my experiments turned out to break the system | 17:45 |
| ruskie | dreamer, either root or user | 17:45 |
| ruskie | in both cases the system became unbootable | 17:45 |
| dreamer | ok, weird that it won't boot as user though | 17:45 |
| MohammadAG | lardman, not exactly useful to what I want to do | 17:45 |
| lardman | sorry! :) | 17:45 |
| dreamer | for busybox I can imagine it won't work (aka root-stuff). but shouldn't matter that much for user should it? | 17:45 |
| MohammadAG | lardman, shitty video, but still http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b-TLJcKbl2c | 17:45 |
| dreamer | anyway, now using bash for user .. and is fine :) | 17:46 |
| dreamer | ruskie: I think I'll try zsh for my server and/or laptop first some time :) | 17:46 |
| lardman | MohammadAG: ah I see | 17:46 |
| ruskie | dreamer, I just put into the .sh_profile or .shrc to launch zsh as my shell when I ssh... and just have a separate terminal shortcut to launch it with zsh | 17:46 |
| lardman | MohammadAG: no idea though, sorry | 17:47 |
| dreamer | ruskie: why? | 17:47 |
| ruskie | as said... caused breakages for me | 17:47 |
| dreamer | why not have zsh for your user on the remote host then? | 17:47 |
| ruskie | I meant on the n900 | 17:47 |
| dreamer | what does ssh have to do with it then? | 17:48 |
| dreamer | anyway, w/e don't use it :P | 17:48 |
| ruskie | I ssh into the device? | 17:48 |
| dreamer | ok, but why use it at all then? if it breaks stuff | 17:48 |
| ruskie | because zsh to me is better than other shells | 17:48 |
| dreamer | or it just breaks the boot and not while turned on? | 17:48 |
| xDaReaperx | meh | 17:48 |
| dreamer | hehe | 17:48 |
| ruskie | it just breaks boot | 17:48 |
| ruskie | not while on | 17:48 |
| dreamer | ok | 17:49 |
| dreamer | but on boot the user doesn't do anything does it? | 17:49 |
| ruskie | does | 17:49 |
| dreamer | did you set it with usermod -s /bin/zsh ? | 17:49 |
| dreamer | ok | 17:49 |
| ruskie | a ton of stuff get's run as user | 17:50 |
| dreamer | ah, hmm | 17:50 |
| dreamer | ah well | 17:50 |
| * dreamer afk | 17:50 | |
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| ruskie | I just edit passwd file like on any other system ;) | 17:50 |
| xDaReaperx | yay i got all the 3 level packs for angry birds :D | 17:53 |
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| lardman | hmm, libpythonqt seems to have built, first step towards mBarcode python plugins done | 18:20 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ~messybox | 18:21 |
| infobot | messy... err busybox is meant for lean scripting. Regarding all the missing options and immanent limitations (see su) it's not really the interactive shell of choice. A lot of people hate busybox because a lot of system integrators don't understand the difference between busybox and a decent user interactive shell plus unix utils | 18:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | and even worse, maemo initscripts rely on busyboxisms (a severe bug that WONTFIX aiui), so replacing messybox by coreutils and a decent shell for use at boottime has been reported several times to break things (allegedly only for user user, not for user root - prolly the messyboxisms are in user startscripts) | 18:24 |
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| lardman | If I want to call make distclean in my debian/rules clean: section, how do I stop it failing if the package has already been cleaned? | 18:25 |
| lardman | other than specify that it generates the Makefile before cleaning. I suppose an existence check is in order, but is that the normal method? | 18:26 |
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| intelinsider | hm | 18:32 |
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| lardman | ah, simply add a minus sign in front of the $(MAKE) | 18:33 |
| lardman | the things one learns by reading webpages hey | 18:33 |
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| * GAN900 stabs microb. | 18:35 | |
| alterego | Erm, why isn't the backup program seeing my backups? | 18:36 |
| alterego | ffs, I've just done a complete reflash and now I can't bring back my contacts :( | 18:37 |
| GAN900 | did you reflash the eMMC? | 18:38 |
| alterego | Ah, it needs to be under the "backups" directory. | 18:38 |
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| vdv | which filemanager are you use on n900? | 18:40 |
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| alterego | "File Manager" | 18:45 |
| alterego | Anyway, looks like that worked, I'd hate to have to re-add everyone again ^.^ | 18:45 |
| alterego | And to answer the question, no, the N900 doesn't merge conversations, when restoring a backup. | 18:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | alterego: yeah, isn't it great you have not even a way to tell apart files of same name which are on different storage devices (i.e backup1 on eMMC and backup1 on uSD will be impossible to distinguish) | 18:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer | hooray for "simplicity" (of mind?) | 18:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | (and if "of mind" then whose mind, the users' or the designers') | 18:51 |
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| noodles900ch | why can I get the n900 camera to show in the laptop over ssh, but not X apps -- Grrrr | 18:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | errr wut? | 18:53 |
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| noodles900ch | DocScrutinizer: xauth installed in the n900, but now restarting ssh throws errors :( | 18:53 |
| SpeedEvil | DISPLAY | 18:54 |
| SpeedEvil | You just xhost phone on your desktop, thenset the appropriate keyb. | 18:54 |
| noodles900ch | .0.0 | 18:54 |
| SpeedEvil | Also I need to vaccum my keyboard | 18:54 |
| SpeedEvil | err | 18:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | not really sure if I get what you're doing, but I heard x-forwarding doesn't work (ootb) on N900 | 18:54 |
| SpeedEvil | set the approrpiate DISPLATY | 18:54 |
| SpeedEvil | sigh | 18:54 |
| noodles900ch | SpeedEvil: "appropriate" ? | 18:55 |
| noodles900ch | it's :0.0 atm | 18:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | could you get more verbose and share some details (like cmdlines etc) so we could actually follow? | 18:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | also HTF did you get camera on laptop? over ssh? | 18:57 |
| jpinx-eeepc | DocScrutinizer: ok - there is a chroot in the n900 running links2, I ssh | 18:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | I suppose this can be done via gstreamer only | 18:58 |
| jpinx-eeepc | I do " ssh -Xt root@n900IP " and then chroot in | 18:58 |
| SpeedEvil | noodles900ch: DISPLAY=laptop:0 | 18:59 |
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| jpinx-eeepc | working over ssh in the chroot I do links2 -g google.com and it shows on the n900 screen - not tthe laptop | 18:59 |
| jpinx-eeepc | SpeedEvil: how should I identify the laptop? by IP ? | 19:00 |
| SpeedEvil | or name | 19:00 |
| SpeedEvil | I had to fiddle with my laptop sshd config to get it to allow X forwarding - it had it setup to disallow. | 19:00 |
| jpinx-eeepc | SpeedEvil: and that will permanently change DISPLAY I presume? | 19:00 |
| SpeedEvil | Though the above method of course doesnt'. | 19:00 |
| SpeedEvil | DISPLAY is anenvironment variale. | 19:01 |
| SpeedEvil | any subshells inherit | 19:01 |
| jpinx-eeepc | SpeedEvil: yea - the default is no X forwarding - but I have that set to yes | 19:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | I always had the idea ssh deals with DISPLAY automatically | 19:02 |
| jpinx-eeepc | so if I change DISPLAY in the chroot, and then use the kbd on the n900, it'll show in the laptop? | 19:02 |
| jpinx-eeepc | DocScrutinizer: it did in my other setup between 2 debian boxes | 19:02 |
| * jpinx-eeepc goes to fiddle with DISPLAY and hopes not to lose it.... | 19:03 | |
| SpeedEvil | ssh deals with DISPLAY if it is doing forwarding. | 19:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes | 19:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer | that's what I meant | 19:03 |
| jpinx-eeepc | SpeedEvil: well ssh is doing forwarding from the n900, but restarting ssh threw errors | 19:04 |
| jpinx-eeepc | let me pastebin... | 19:04 |
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| jpinx-eeepc | http://paste.debian.net/96762/ | 19:06 |
| jpinx-eeepc | thaat was after installing xauth | 19:07 |
| intelinsider | should i buy a nokia n900?... i want a new smartphone and i try to like maemo/meego | 19:07 |
| jpinx-eeepc | yes - buy a n900 :) | 19:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | no, don't buy a N900 | 19:08 |
| intelinsider | :) | 19:08 |
| jpinx-eeepc | yes - *DO* buy a n900 :) | 19:08 |
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| intelinsider | and the future with meamo on the n900 device? | 19:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | honestly, if you don't *know* you *wnat* a linux phone that doesn't work without you working on it, you better get an adridiot or spyPhone | 19:09 |
| jpinx-eeepc | SpeedEvil: what did you make of that error? | 19:09 |
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| SpeedEvil | jpinx-eeepc: I diddn't look at it. | 19:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | anybody wonder "iPhone or N900" for sure should bet an iPhone | 19:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | s/ bet/ get/ | 19:11 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer meant: anybody wonder "iPhone or N900" for sure should get an iPhone | 19:11 |
| SpeedEvil | I got distracted considering manufacturing a 1Kw solar panel for my shed. | 19:11 |
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| intelinsider | no i dont want a android, bada or win mobile os | 19:11 |
| jpinx-eeepc | SpeedEvil: http://paste.debian.net/96762/ | 19:11 |
| SpeedEvil | The first killer-app for me for the n900 was when my laptop hard-disk went dodgy, and I realised the easiest way to backup was to rsync / onto the phone | 19:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: a friend of mine got a used iPod for that :-D | 19:13 |
| SpeedEvil | That looks like a syntax error in the script to me jp | 19:13 |
| SpeedEvil | inx | 19:13 |
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| jpinx-eeepc | SpeedEvil: I'm looking for a 16Gb micro SD and I'll be able to backup the phone *and* the eeepc :) | 19:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: still nickexpand on shift-right? :-P | 19:13 |
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| intelinsider | but i search a new challenge... | 19:13 |
| jpinx-eeepc | intelinsider: you just found it :p | 19:14 |
| jpinx-eeepc | SpeedEvil: what script? | 19:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | intelinsider: months and years of challenge :-D | 19:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | and fun | 19:14 |
| jpinx-eeepc | it's a lot of fun - but frustrating at times | 19:15 |
| intelinsider | hehe | 19:15 |
| intelinsider | i like it ;) | 19:15 |
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| SpeedEvil | jpinx-eeepc: the script you called | 19:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | intelinsider: (frustration) there's not only an adoption market for unloved N900 babies on ebay, but allegedly also a cemetery for those devices thrown out of the window in a destructive frenzy | 19:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | intelinsider: you got to know your own frustration tolerance | 19:18 |
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| * DocScrutinizer frowns at -erani- | 19:18 | |
| * DocScrutinizer ponders a +q | 19:19 | |
| jpinx-eeepc | SpeedEvil: hang on - there's more gremlins.. I can get X from maemo, but not from the chroot | 19:19 |
| intelinsider | hmmm | 19:20 |
| intelinsider | i think i try the n900 | 19:20 |
| jpinx-eeepc | yay \o/ | 19:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | intelinsider: if problems arise, please don't start bitching and flaming, but come here and ask for help. Almost everything can be solved if you're willing to jump some hoops | 19:21 |
| jpinx-eeepc | Fiery hoops at times... ;) | 19:22 |
| intelinsider | no no no :) | 19:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | intelinsider: if you feel that's not what you want to do, please silently sell the device. We are not interested in learning if or why you did | 19:22 |
| intelinsider | why i should flame? :) no i use the energy to find solutions | 19:22 |
| jpinx-eeepc | that's whaat *she* said | 19:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | good mindset :-D | 19:23 |
| intelinsider | :P | 19:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer | intelinsider: I change my prev advice: yes, you should buy a N900 :-) | 19:27 |
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| jpinx-eeepc | SpeedEvil: ok - in maemo DISPLAY is "localhost:10.0" and when I fire up an app over ssh, it shows up in the laptop | 19:31 |
| jpinx-eeepc | I set DISPLAY to the same in the chroot and it still comes up in the n900 | 19:31 |
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| jpinx-eeepc | so I did " DISPLAY=193.168.2.14:10.0 " in the chroot , but it *still* comes up in the n900 | 19:32 |
| marmoute | who is 193.168.2.14 | 19:33 |
| jpinx-eeepc | it's the IP of the laptop on the usb network | 19:34 |
| jpinx-eeepc | I have tried it with the hostname of the laptop as well - still no good | 19:35 |
| marmoute | using the IP of the laptop won't work | 19:35 |
| jpinx-eeepc | so I discovered ;) | 19:35 |
| marmoute | the X is ss *forwarded* | 19:35 |
| jpinx-eeepc | yea - forwarded *to* the laptop | 19:36 |
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| pupnik | http://www.google.com/trends?q=maemo&ctab=0&geo=all&date=all | 19:37 |
| pupnik | are those news article picks machine or human-generated? | 19:37 |
| jpinx-eeepc | marmoute: so what do I set DISPLAY to if it is not the IP or hostname? | 19:39 |
| marmoute | jpinx-eeepc: forwarded *to* the laptopn *through* the N900 | 19:42 |
| jpinx-eeepc | marmoute: ok - so what is the setting for the chroot DISPLAY ? | 19:43 |
| marmoute | jpinx-eeepc: the N900 one, but you have to make sure the socket is acessible from the CHroot. anyway an acessible socket would lead to no display at all. It's most likely that your DIPLAY var is not defined propertly | 19:43 |
| jpinx-eeepc | the n900 is set to localhost:10.0 | 19:43 |
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| intelinsider | should i destroy the system from the n900, can i restore/repair it? | 19:45 |
| ShadowJK | Using a PC, yeah | 19:45 |
| intelinsider | i mean in the worst case ;) | 19:45 |
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| ShadowJK | You could write to /dev/mtd directly and erase your bootloader | 19:46 |
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| ShadowJK | then you couldn't recover yourself anymore | 19:46 |
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| ShadowJK | actually i dont remember if bootloader is included in the default partitions | 19:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski claims it *can* be recovered on N900 | 19:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | using coldflash via USB, which on N900 is supported by ROM BL | 19:47 |
| intelinsider | okay a flash tool to reset, thanks | 19:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | nevertheless you probably should refrain from nuking your mtd's | 19:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | intelinsider: for all usual cases of "I nuked my rootfs and now it bootloops" there's ~flashing | 19:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~flashing | 19:49 |
| infobot | methinks flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 19:49 |
| jpinx-eeepc | marmoute: well - I am truly stuck - I have tried setting DISPLAY in the chroot to the hostname of the n900 or to the hostname of the laptop, | 19:49 |
| jacekowski | well, there are 3 stages of bootloader | 19:49 |
| intelinsider | ;) | 19:49 |
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| jacekowski | rom BL | 19:49 |
| jacekowski | 1st stage bootloader - x-loader | 19:49 |
| jacekowski | 2nd stage bootloader | 19:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer | rom(0), xloader(1), NOLO(2[+3?]) | 19:49 |
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| jacekowski | xloader in n900 is nokia version of xloader | 19:50 |
| jacekowski | called nolo-x-loader iirc | 19:50 |
| jacekowski | and 2nd stage is called noloscnd | 19:50 |
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| jacekowski | as far as i know there is no easy way to wipe rom bl | 19:51 |
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| jacekowski | if there is way of doing that at all | 19:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's why it's called ROM ;-D | 19:51 |
| jacekowski | as it may be really rom | 19:51 |
| RST38h | ok, moo. | 19:51 |
| RST38h | what's cooking tonight? | 19:51 |
| jacekowski | which i doubt that it's rom, | 19:51 |
| jacekowski | because it needs some storage space for keys and stuff so i suppose it's all in one flash | 19:51 |
| jacekowski | on-die flash | 19:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | nah, probably no mask rom, but some eprom, or even flash with a fuse | 19:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | flash with per-page-fuses sounds sensible | 19:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: stage0 is checking stage1 (xloader) for proper signature, correct? Do you know if stage1 xloader does same for stage2? | 19:55 |
| jacekowski | as far as i know it doesn't | 19:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | so basically we could RE NOLO, and write our own? | 19:57 |
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| jacekowski | we could | 19:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | resp patch the existing one | 19:57 |
| jacekowski | but what for? | 19:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | e.g for multiboot | 19:57 |
| jacekowski | i mean, we can load u-boot from existing nolo | 19:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | proper real multiboot | 19:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes | 19:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | Iknow | 19:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | chainloading is what meego guys are implementing right now | 19:58 |
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| jacekowski | only strange thing is that 1st stage is in thumb | 20:02 |
| jacekowski | 2nd stage is arm | 20:02 |
| johnsq | Hi | 20:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer | anyway I had *one* simple patch I'd like to see in NOLO: if emergency recovery charging finally boots up to xloader and NOLO (on 3.2V) it seems NOLO charges a bit more until ~3.5V before it actually tries to boot the kernel. I'd like to change that level to 4.0V, so NOLO would charge battery to a level safe for flashing. Could be conditional ("hold 'C' while plugging in the charger") | 20:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | to fix those bootloop-on-flatbat-deadlocks for good | 20:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | ... which occur when you hosed bme/system | 20:06 |
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| trumee | guys, is it possible to access the emmc and sdcard when N900 is connected in PCsuite mode in linux? | 20:07 |
| ShadowJK | you want mass storage mode | 20:08 |
| ShadowJK | wait, do you want to access it from pc or from n900? | 20:08 |
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| trumee | from the pc | 20:08 |
| ShadowJK | you want mass storage mode, not pc suite mode | 20:09 |
| trumee | in windows the emmc can still be accessed while in PC suite mode. | 20:09 |
| trumee | i am presently connected to the internet via N900 modem using pcsuite mode. to get into mass storage mode i will have to disconnect the internet. | 20:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | lsusb ftw | 20:10 |
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| trumee | crap. my network died. | 20:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | aiui the notorious "Nokia PCSuite" is meant to also access data on N900, no? | 20:15 |
| trumee | ShadowJK: so there is no way to access emmc in pcsuite mode? | 20:15 |
| Proteous | then how are you talking to us!!! | 20:16 |
| trumee | Proteous: it is alive again. sorry. | 20:16 |
| Proteous | heh | 20:16 |
| trumee | DocScrutinizer: on windows there is something like access internal drive or something while in PC Suite mode | 20:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer | directly after plugging in N900 to PC - prior to selecting any mode from popup menu - there are 2 mass stroage devices showing up on lsusb -v -d 0421:01c7 | 20:20 |
| jpinx-eeepc | trumee: using sshfs maybe? -- I haven't tried | 20:20 |
| jpinx-eeepc | DocScrutinizer: micro SD ? | 20:20 |
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| DocScrutinizer | selecting pcsuite mode chages vendor:id to 0421:01c8 | 20:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer | so after selecting pcsuite, lsusb shows a friggin lot of 'nodes': http://paste.debian.net/96775/ | 20:24 |
| jpinx-eeepc | DocScrutinizer: yea - it shows all the ghastly mounts in maemo | 20:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | there's CDC OBEX for example | 20:25 |
| jpinx-eeepc | but once you have selected PCSuite mode, you can't change back without disconnecting :( | 20:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | CDC OBEX Data, to be precise. There's CDC OBEX SyncML also | 20:26 |
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| DocScrutinizer | of course ACM | 20:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer | iInterface 10 CDC Ethernet Control Model (ECM) | 20:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | bInterfaceSubClass 6 Ethernet Networking | 20:28 |
| trumee | jpinx-eeepc: how can i use sshfs. i am using N900s modem and there is no wifi here. | 20:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | so no, you'll not get an external storage access in pcsuite mode. but you might access via network filesystem over CDC ECM | 20:32 |
| trumee | jpinx-eeepc: N900 doesnt have any ipaddress of its own. | 20:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | ...or scp, or whatever | 20:33 |
| jpinx-eeepc | trumee: usb cable | 20:33 |
| trumee | jpinx-eeepc: so i use usb networking + N900 modem. both can work at the same time? | 20:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | looks like | 20:33 |
| jpinx-eeepc | dunno about modem | 20:34 |
| jpinx-eeepc | but probably | 20:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | trumee: see last 30 lines here | 20:34 |
| jpinx-eeepc | trumee: I use the usb cable for ssh, sshfs, and the n900 connecting through the laptop wifi | 20:35 |
| trumee | DocScrutinizer: no idea how to do network filesystem over CDC ECM | 20:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | me neither | 20:35 |
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| ShadowJK | you can maybe talk MTP or obex over one of the "serial ports".. | 20:35 |
| trumee | jpinx-eeepc: i need laptop connecting through N900 3g modem. plus ssh/sshfs. | 20:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | I guess you get a virtual NIC on PC which you need to configure | 20:36 |
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| jpinx-eeepc | trumee: should work ok | 20:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: there are dedicated OBEX ports | 20:36 |
| jpinx-eeepc | trumee: follow the wiki page guide | 20:36 |
| trumee | jpinx-eeepc: ok. i will try this. | 20:37 |
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| trumee | DocScrutinizer: opensuse 11.3 networkmanager is crap. it doesnt see my n900 ethernet interface. i have to go into yast change to manual ifup approach and back to NetworkManager. | 20:38 |
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| DocScrutinizer | yes, looks like | 20:38 |
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| trumee | it worked! | 20:40 |
| trumee | i can now ssh into N900 via usb + use N900 internal modem | 20:41 |
| jpinx-eeepc | trumee: toldya! | 20:41 |
| jpinx-eeepc | and you can run the n900 apps on your laptop screen too | 20:41 |
| trumee | jpinx-eeepc, DocScrutinizer: thanks for pointers | 20:42 |
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| trumee | jpinx-eeepc: via ssh -X ? | 20:42 |
| jpinx-eeepc | trumee: yep | 20:42 |
| trumee | jpinx-eeepc: i am happy with cli. just wanted to grab some photos i had taken. | 20:42 |
| jpinx-eeepc | ok :) | 20:43 |
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| trumee | jpinx-eeepc: i will like to upload photos to picasa from N900. is there any i can invoke that N900 app from the laptop? | 20:51 |
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| trumee | jpinx-eeepc: no idea what the app is. | 20:52 |
| jpinx-eeepc | trumee: iirc there is an app for that in the maemo repos | 20:52 |
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| trumee | jpinx-eeepc: ok, i am directly sharing the images which is weird. N900 (images) <> PC over usb networking<> N900 3g modem. | 20:58 |
| trumee | but hey it is working great. | 20:58 |
| jpinx-eeepc | trumee: al things are possible with the n900 :p | 20:59 |
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| ilius | liquidwar 6 is excellent! much better than 5 | 21:02 |
| ilius | i like to play it in N900 | 21:02 |
| johnsq | ilius: and what stops you? | 21:04 |
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| ilius | johnsq: the package in maemo repo is version 5 | 21:05 |
| ilius | johnsq: i have to buid myself | 21:05 |
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| intelinsider | jpinx-eeepc: now i buyed a n900 with car charger :> | 21:10 |
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| lcuk | intelinsider, :D | 21:13 |
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| kerio | you buyed? | 21:14 |
| kerio | BUYED? | 21:15 |
| intelinsider | ae buy :O | 21:15 |
| Stskeeps | lo texrat | 21:16 |
| Texrat | hey Stskeeps | 21:17 |
| RevdKathy | Hi Tex | 21:17 |
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| Texrat | RevDKathy you here yet | 21:17 |
| Stskeeps | Texrat: so your talk got accepted? | 21:17 |
| Texrat | Stskeeps amazingly enough yes... your doing? | 21:17 |
| Texrat | damn it, now I have to work :P | 21:18 |
| RevdKathy | I'm here | 21:18 |
| Texrat | ok Revdkathy I just need to remember how to create a new channel... | 21:18 |
| Stskeeps | Texrat: nah :) only one out of four but it got the job done | 21:18 |
| Texrat | I'm still blaming you Stskeeps | 21:18 |
| intelinsider | and now? | 21:19 |
| Texrat | brb... coffee done | 21:19 |
| RevdKathy | k | 21:19 |
| intelinsider | waiting for mail | 21:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | Texrat: /join anychannel | 21:19 |
| RevdKathy | Meanwhile... is lcuk here? | 21:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | Texrat: /msg chanserv help register | 21:20 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Texrat: ...only if it's a channel to stay | 21:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | lo RevdKathy | 21:20 |
| Texrat | ah ok thanks DocScrutinizer | 21:20 |
| Texrat | hot coffee! | 21:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | Texrat: np | 21:21 |
| lcuk | RevdKathy, I am in #meego | 21:21 |
| RevdKathy | Lo DocScrutinzer | 21:21 |
| RevdKathy | ahhh ok, will chase you there, then lcuk | 21:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | lcuk: Lies! you're here, evidently | 21:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer | lcuk: i gather you've returned home from your HEL(l) adventure - I am supposed to remind you to implement some dimming via ALS for liqcalc solar cell | 21:28 |
| lcuk | :D of course, yes thank you for the reminder | 21:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | lcuk: though I thought the solar cell gets replaced by a input textbox for infinte precision calctool | 21:30 |
| lcuk | heh no | 21:30 |
| lcuk | I just wanted to try turning the lights off inthe room and watching the little mini calc screen dim | 21:30 |
| lcuk | (but keep the buttons lit up) | 21:31 |
| lcuk | it wouldnt be as effective as covering the cell itself | 21:31 |
| lcuk | but it would be fun :D | 21:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | you ported calctool to maemo meanwhile? | 21:32 |
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| lcuk | no, I have had 10000000 more important things on my mind | 21:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | sure, just asking | 21:33 |
| lcuk | and have done little coding myself of late | 21:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | maybe MohammadAG51 could be talked into it :-) | 21:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's a simple cmdline tool after all | 21:34 |
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| erani | DocScrutinizer: huh? O.o | 21:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | eh, hi erani | 21:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | [2010-10-16 18:18:11] [Notice] -erani- I'm sorry, but I'm away (off) | 21:35 |
| erani | sorry, i guess my away hilight had reloaded itself :) did unload it (again) now... | 21:35 |
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| erani | away hilight notice* script i mean | 21:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer | fine :-) | 21:36 |
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| RST38h | lcuk: is meegotouch available for maemo5 at all? | 21:37 |
| lcuk | RST38h, http://maemo.org/packages/search/?org_maemo_packages_search[1][property]=name&org_maemo_packages_search[1][constraint]=LIKE&org_maemo_packages_search[1][value]=meegotouch&org_maemo_packages_search[2][property]=title&org_maemo_packages_search[2][constraint]=LIKE&org_maemo_packages_search[2][value]=same | 21:40 |
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| lardman | re | 21:41 |
| lcuk | hey lardman \o | 21:42 |
| lardman | hi lcuk | 21:42 |
| RST38h | hm | 21:42 |
| * lardman thinks to himself that MoH is not as good as he was expecting | 21:44 | |
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| Texrat | busy today! | 22:00 |
| Texrat | the whole gang is here | 22:00 |
| Texrat | and lcuk the newly-bearded one too :P | 22:01 |
| lcuk | :D oh hai Texrat | 22:01 |
| Texrat | Revdkathy working out my MeeGo conf flight :D | 22:02 |
| Texrat | so brace yourselves!!!! | 22:02 |
| lcuk | lardman, sometimes sequals don't capture the essense of the original and need refinement and tweaking to get it right | 22:02 |
| MohammadAG | hey Texrat | 22:03 |
| Texrat | hey MohammedAG | 22:03 |
| MohammadAG | you can probably use tab to complete nicknames :) | 22:04 |
| MohammadAG | wb lcuk, haven't seen you for a while | 22:04 |
| Texrat | MohammedAG what is CTCP VERSION ? | 22:05 |
| MohammadAG | my N900's condition went downhill today :( | 22:05 |
| MohammadAG | Texrat, checked your client :) | 22:05 |
| MohammadAG | qwebirc | 22:05 |
| MohammadAG | /ctcp nickname VERSION and the client will reply with the name and version | 22:05 |
| Texrat | ah | 22:05 |
| MohammadAG | -MohammadAG- VERSION xchat 2.8.8 Ubuntu | 22:05 |
| Texrat | browser ;) | 22:06 |
| MohammadAG | -Texrat- VERSION qwebirc v0.90, copyright (C) 2008-2010 Chris Porter and the qwebirc project -- Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 8.0; Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; Trident/4.0; SLCC2; .NET CLR 2.0.50727; .NET CLR 3.5.30729; .NET CLR 3.0.30729; Media Center PC 6.0; .NET4.0C; .NET4.0E) | 22:06 |
| Texrat | holy shit | 22:06 |
| Texrat | PC my ass, this is a WORKSTATION! ROAR!!!! | 22:06 |
| MohammadAG | lol | 22:06 |
| Texrat | 4 cores, 4 g ram, 1TB drive dammit | 22:07 |
| MohammadAG | 4 cores, 4GB RAM, 500GBs, and it's a laptop :P | 22:07 |
| Texrat | ok that's it | 22:07 |
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| Texrat | now I'm humiliated | 22:07 |
| MohammadAG | xD | 22:08 |
| Texrat | does your laptop have 7.1 audio? :P | 22:08 |
| * MohammadAG looks at 2.0 | 22:08 | |
| Texrat | and a huge thumping subwoofer? nooooooooo | 22:08 |
| MohammadAG | it has HDMI!!!!!!1111!!! | 22:08 |
| Texrat | redeemed | 22:08 |
| MohammadAG | Texrat, and a 3.5mm jack, HA! | 22:10 |
| MohammadAG | 2 actually :P | 22:10 |
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| GAN900 | I don't know how many times I've watched delivery drivers lie about attempting a delivery. | 22:11 |
| pupnik | really\ | 22:11 |
| pupnik | bad culture | 22:11 |
| Texrat | I accidentally closed channel-- did someone ask me something? | 22:11 |
| Texrat | pupnik!!! | 22:11 |
| MohammadAG | GAN900, less than I have :P | 22:11 |
| soltys | │ progtryk | 22:12 |
| pupnik | Evening texrat - nothing was said between your leaving and joining | 22:12 |
| soltys | sry ppm ;/ | 22:12 |
| Texrat | I saw an alert though | 22:12 |
| pupnik | The bull next door is going kerbonkles all evening mooing as loud as it can | 22:13 |
| GAN900 | One of these times I'm going to run yelling into the street. | 22:15 |
| MohammadAG | <MohammadAG> Texrat, and a 3.5mm jack, HA! | 22:15 |
| MohammadAG | <MohammadAG> 2 actually :P | 22:15 |
| pupnik | i found a way to wear a tablet that nobody else did | 22:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | GAN900: I usually sit on the street not letting cars pass by until they are identified and ripped off they carriage where due :-) | 22:17 |
| pupnik | spin a thinkpad tablet around so the screen is facing backwards. loop a strap around the screen and wear it around, with a nice 12" screen jutting out of your chest | 22:17 |
| pupnik | it's the worst of geek fashion | 22:18 |
| * DocScrutinizer shudders | 22:19 | |
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| GAN900 | So USPS only attempts delivery once, which means I have to pick it up at the central sorting center. | 22:22 |
| GAN900 | Which, of course, isn't open any time I can reasonably get to it. | 22:23 |
| pupnik | what you waiting for GAN900 | 22:23 |
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| pupnik | hahah WYSE amber terminals with the mini-displays in this 1991 'Cheers' | 22:23 |
| GAN900 | 7D | 22:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | err | 22:24 |
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| pupnik | what's 7D GAN900 | 22:26 |
| RST38h | canon 7d? | 22:26 |
| Texrat | yay thanks to RevDkathy I have flight to MeeGo conference!!!! | 22:27 |
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| Texrat | so you have all been warned | 22:27 |
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| pupnik | congrats Texrat | 22:28 |
| GAN900 | RST38h, yeah. | 22:29 |
| GAN900 | Texrat, why Kathy? | 22:29 |
| Jaffa | Texrat: No credit or debit card? | 22:29 |
| GAN900 | Ah | 22:29 |
| SpeedEvil | Congrats rat! | 22:29 |
| Texrat | man I owe the reverend Kathy | 22:30 |
| Texrat | jaffa I have zero credit cards and we are beyond broke thanks to loss of my Nokia job | 22:30 |
| Texrat | we are actually backpedalling due to bills :( | 22:30 |
| Texrat | GAN900 Kathy volunteered to help | 22:31 |
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| pupnik | hey i just thought of a new idea for video compression | 22:31 |
| pupnik | why not use facial recognition to ensure that faces get priority in the bitbucket | 22:31 |
| * GAN900 needs to book his flight. | 22:33 | |
| Texrat | sounds reasonable pupnik | 22:34 |
| * RevdKathy opens bottle of eden ale | 22:34 | |
| pupnik | waiting for someone to say 'that's been done already' Texrat :) | 22:35 |
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| SpeedEvil | pupnik: Solid modeling is in principle a much more general area. | 22:41 |
| SpeedEvil | Perceptual coding can be exploited as in audio. | 22:42 |
| SpeedEvil | Though you have to know about your audience. If all black people look the same to your viewer, they are really simple to code. | 22:42 |
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| RST38h | pupnik: I can give you an even better optimization idea :) | 22:48 |
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| RST38h | pupnik: drop image quality at the edges of a frame: most viewers concentrate at the frame center, so you can smear the edges a bit =) | 22:50 |
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| SpeedEvil | But seriously - solid modeling is gonna be where the next gains come. | 22:53 |
| SpeedEvil | And human modeling. Virtual skeleton + muscles + texturemapped skin. | 22:53 |
| SpeedEvil | You can code a human object fairly accurately - statically - with relatively few muscles. | 22:54 |
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| RST38h | why do you need to film real humans then? | 22:56 |
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| RST38h | do it Final Fantasy style, in 3d, and most youngsters won't give a shit that it is "not real" | 22:57 |
| SpeedEvil | Because I suspect human actors will be cheaper than coding all the muscle movements well. | 22:58 |
| RST38h | only for a short while, until the next great cpu hits the market | 22:58 |
| SpeedEvil | Of course, once you decouple the appearance of the humans from the output, the actor pool widens considerably. | 22:58 |
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| intelinsider | jpinx-eeepc: and now? waiting :P | 23:02 |
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| pupnik | RST38h: mencoder has had the lower-rate at edges for a few years at least | 23:26 |
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| user___ | I have problem using vim | 23:34 |
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| intelinsider | ? | 23:35 |
| kerio | use notepad | 23:35 |
| user___ | vim on ubuntu via ssh | 23:35 |
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| user___ | kerio: what's that? | 23:35 |
| user___ | what they did in 10.10, ugly bar appears in ssh | 23:36 |
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| erani | http://mobilernr.com/had-apple-announced-the-nokia-n8/ | 23:38 |
| user___ | I type :q it switchs to insert mode? anyone having issue or Im halucinating | 23:39 |
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| ColdFyre | eh | 23:42 |
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| ColdFyre | i don't think i'll be getting the n8 | 23:42 |
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| kerio | the n8 is a ridiculously great piece of hardware | 23:46 |
| kerio | sadly, the software is crap | 23:46 |
| kerio | now, why didn't they use meego on it is beyond me | 23:46 |
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| kerio | but i guess they don't want to draw too much attention on THEIR NEW FLAGSHIP OS, right | 23:47 |
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| ColdFyre | i _need_ a hardware keyboard | 23:48 |
| user___ | kerio: help | 23:48 |
| pupnik | me too ColdFyre | 23:51 |
| pupnik | preferably a japanese built thinkpad | 23:51 |
| ColdFyre | thinkpad's are too hard to use on the freeway at 80mph | 23:51 |
| kerio | ColdFyre: you better be joking | 23:52 |
| ColdFyre | hence me using my n900 in lieu of a thinkpad | 23:52 |
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| ColdFyre | however, i do have a touch screen i dash computer i made that i tether to my n900 so i can irc and drive | 23:53 |
| ColdFyre | in dash* | 23:53 |
| RevdKathy | Goodnight all | 23:53 |
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