| delt | so DocScrutinizer: holding down "home" button ie. 2-diagonal-squares ALL ALONG with no interruption, or if i accidentally release it when flipping the n810 over i have to start uh.... "over :)" ? | 00:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer | delt: just hold it down during possible power up events, so if you insert battery and that doesn't cause device to start up, then there's no need to keep it pressed until you power it up by next action | 00:02 |
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| delt | ah, thats what i thought, thanks =) | 00:02 |
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| delt | so, re-removed the battery, stopped maemo-flasher (ctrl+c) ... unplugged usb... | 00:02 |
| nox- | luke-jr_, they knocked you off just bc you tried some dual-sim `hacks'? | 00:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | nox-: probably because he tried to tunnel everything thru DNS | 00:05 |
| nox- | haha | 00:05 |
| delt | mmm... nope... still getting the boot menu stuff first :( | 00:05 |
| javispedro | lately, every time I've entered this channel the topic is restoring someone's misflashed N900/N8x0 =) | 00:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | delt: charge your battery | 00:05 |
| javispedro | did someone finally posted that device-bricker on tmo? | 00:05 |
| GAN900 | javispedro, clearly you should stop breaking people's devices, then. | 00:06 |
| delt | which goes straight to usb-over-network recover mode since i have "home" pressed down | 00:06 |
| delt | DocScrutinizer: so 85% - 90% is not enough? | 00:06 |
| javispedro | GAN900: heh, or try to perfect my methodology =) | 00:06 |
| ShadowJK | typically in N8x0, 3 out of 4 bars means 50%.. | 00:07 |
| ShadowJK | yeah; nokia ui logic... | 00:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | delt: obviously - though I wonder what makes you think it's at 85-90 | 00:07 |
| delt | ShadowJK: i have that "extras" package that changes the battery thing to a better one + menu where it says exact % | 00:07 |
| delt | ...or was that in extras...? i think so | 00:07 |
| delt | anyway, putting the n810 on charger for now..... | 00:09 |
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| delt | oh DocScrutinizer: that option in bootmenu "Power off (when not on charger)" should reliably power off the n810? ie. no need to remove battery etc etc...? | 00:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | dunno | 00:10 |
| javispedro | MohammadAG51: there? | 00:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | probably | 00:10 |
| delt | mkay, anyway same behaviour here when doing 16:48 < DocScrutinizer> remove full battery, start flasher, plug in USB, insert battery, hold home button, power up N8x0 | 00:11 |
| MohammadAG51 | [10549.280975] HWRecoveryResetSGX: SGX Hardware Recovery triggered the fuck | 00:11 |
| javispedro | you'd be surprised at how many times your desktop GFX also resets itself | 00:12 |
| delt | so... is there a VERY DETAILED page with all technical info about BOOTMENU somewhere? | 00:12 |
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| delt | i just re-ran "pb" and selected zero seconds as delay... still shows me the list of partitions (2 partitions + power off when not on charger) for several minutes then switches off | 00:13 |
| delt | and before installing bootmenu, this always worked fine (turn off, hold down home while turning on) ... without all that remove battery, THEN plug in usb, THEN put battery back in etc... crap | 00:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | delt: damn, then deinstall bootmenu! it won't change anything probably, except it boots normal system then instead of bootmenu | 00:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | charge your friggin battery! | 00:16 |
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| delt | DocScrutinizer: 1. how? 2. will do | 00:16 |
| javispedro | there's no bq27xxx -- so it might be hard to do if the device does not boot | 00:16 |
| delt | bulk q&a =) | 00:17 |
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| delt | i'd presume bootmenu isn't a package that gets installed on the root filesystem? (esp. since it isnt even mounted yet!!) | 00:17 |
| Antonis | hello folks I need help. how do I install something in N900 using terminal? when I try with apt-get install package it tells me I am not root. when I use sudo it asks for password which I don't know | 00:18 |
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| delt | if that was the case, i guess i could run the app. manager and then there would be an app called "Change your N8x0 into a N900" that would actually change the CPU, memory, flash chips, etc... whoa! =) | 00:19 |
| joga | Antonis: you need to do this first http://wiki.maemo.org/Root | 00:20 |
| delt | worst thing is, root account doesn't even have a password iirc =) | 00:20 |
| joga | so it can't log in ;p | 00:21 |
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| delt | "sudo gainroot" i think is the 'normal' way to get a root "shell" (that is, "busybox" posing as a shell) | 00:22 |
| joga | I've made it so I get bash | 00:22 |
| joga | I think I just made an extra alias 'root' for that though | 00:22 |
| MohammadAG51 | javispedro, yeah, but this znc is lagging like hell! (pokes DocScrutinizer) | 00:22 |
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| javispedro | sorry MohammadAG51, pm'd you | 00:23 |
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| delt | for a while i had /bin/sh -> bash but someone here on #maemo said it was a bad idea... | 00:24 |
| delt | since busybox's "sh" mode emulated a "ash" shell type iirc | 00:25 |
| Antonis | thanks joga | 00:26 |
| luke-jr_ | nox-: I didn't try anything | 00:26 |
| luke-jr_ | they knocked me off because i didn't refill within 90 days | 00:27 |
| luke-jr_ | and claim they can't reactivate it | 00:27 |
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| luke-jr_ | so I'm just serviceless again | 00:27 |
| luke-jr_ | oh well ☹ | 00:27 |
| nox- | oh | 00:27 |
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| luke-jr_ | unless there's a way to crack their network | 00:27 |
| Antonis | one more thing, since I don't actually have N900 but try to help a friend, when I go to application manager where exactly do I find the apps to install? I mean, I have enabled Extras, but when I tell him go to application manager and install he says there is no app list or something | 00:27 |
| delt | wtf?? wiki.maemo.org search "bootmenu" ---> | 00:27 |
| delt | There is no page titled "bootmenu". You can create this page. | 00:27 |
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| delt | partial matches, etc etc... blablabla.... | 00:28 |
| delt | so anyone telling me to RTFM can go WTFM | 00:28 |
| nox- | luke-jr_, was that prepaid? (xtracard or whatever its called?) | 00:28 |
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| luke-jr_ | Prepaid, yes | 00:28 |
| delt | ok, so enought ranting, whining & shit for today.... cya | 00:29 |
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| nox- | luke-jr_, where are you, u.s.? | 00:30 |
| javispedro | as a prepaid owner I sometimes feel like if I where public enemy #1 of my carrier.... | 00:30 |
| javispedro | *were | 00:30 |
| nox- | heh | 00:30 |
| * nox- currently on `pennymobil' bc most of the time i use wifi... | 00:31 | |
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| * SpeedEvil is using T-mobile prepaid in the UK. | 00:31 | |
| luke-jr_ | nox-: yes | 00:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG51: znc is fine | 00:31 |
| SpeedEvil | 6 months 1G/mo internet for 20 quid. (~$30) | 00:31 |
| Antonis | nevermind he is blind :P | 00:31 |
| joga | Antonis: in app manager there's download | 00:31 |
| joga | heh | 00:31 |
| Antonis | hehe yeap found it :d | 00:32 |
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| javispedro | and they won't make me a real offer even after spending _too much_ on their stupid services because of "emergencies". | 00:34 |
| javispedro | damn n900. they should have made another tablet! | 00:34 |
| nox- | luke-jr_, ok then i dont know much about your notwork, but current sims can't be `cracked' i think | 00:35 |
| luke-jr_ | SIMs don't need to be cracked, carriers do | 00:35 |
| luke-jr_ | and probably not because N900 is too closed | 00:35 |
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| delt | uh quick question: i plug the n810 into the charger and i get: white nokia screen for 2 seconds, then boot menu. is this normal? | 00:49 |
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| Myrtti | no, not really | 00:49 |
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| delt | Myrtti: was that in reply to my question? | 00:50 |
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| delt | ok so anyway... | 00:52 |
| delt | DocScrutinizer: charging battery..... | 00:52 |
| jacktheripper | is a reboot loop with a desktop any better than a reboot loop without a desktop ? | 00:54 |
| delt | DocScrutinizer: n810 was turned off, and well, like i said above :/ | 00:54 |
| delt | jacktheripper: i'd tend to say better, because whatever causes the reboot happens later in the startup sequence? | 00:55 |
| delt | but that's just me, and i dont know much about maemo :/ | 00:55 |
| jacktheripper | delt, of course. But is it better towards fixing it ? | 00:55 |
| jacktheripper | ah | 00:55 |
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| delt | well, i'd say since more stuff is already loaded/init'd/etc...you have more tools available to fix it. (just my un-educated guess) | 00:58 |
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| luke-jr_ | T-Mobile idiots tried to sell me a $25/mo data plan that's 200 MB… | 01:03 |
| SpeedEvil | Wow. | 01:03 |
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| luke-jr_ | so I just pointed out that I'd need to limit my usage to less than dialup to use that :p | 01:03 |
| luke-jr_ | since dialup can pass 200 MB in under a da | 01:03 |
| luke-jr_ | sigh | 01:04 |
| luke-jr_ | USA is so third-world country :/ | 01:04 |
| javispedro | ... and they sued you for libel? | 01:04 |
| luke-jr_ | javispedro: what? | 01:04 |
| javispedro | =) | 01:04 |
| javispedro | I mean T-Mobile, not USA =) | 01:05 |
| luke-jr_ | I miss the prepaid plan they just killed off on me :< | 01:05 |
| luke-jr_ | in practice I wasn't paying anything since they only billed for voice service | 01:05 |
| javispedro | heh | 01:06 |
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| GAN900 | luke-jr_, hey, at least we still have more of our freedom than most of the world. *g* | 01:06 |
| luke-jr_ | curiously, the lady on the phone told me they have "excellent coverage" here | 01:06 |
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| luke-jr_ | GAN900: only slightly | 01:06 |
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| javispedro | my carrier hates me for not using text or voice even though I dutifully pay data, so... | 01:07 |
| GAN900 | luke-jr_, better than not at all. ;) | 01:07 |
| luke-jr_ | javispedro: so they'll eventually just turn you off too? :p | 01:07 |
| GAN900 | luke-jr_, and per-state BS doesn't count. :P | 01:07 |
| luke-jr_ | javispedro: I actually said that on the phone when they claimed to be hte best deal | 01:08 |
| luke-jr_ | "not compared to T-Mobile Europe" | 01:08 |
| luke-jr_ | :p | 01:08 |
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| javispedro | m | 01:09 |
| javispedro | luke-jr_: heh :) | 01:09 |
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| javispedro | I still remember the day they sent me some junk mail telling me to go visit their site to get "all new great free phones". After entering my phone number the list of avail phones emptied itself (via some quite slow javascript) in what I can only describe as the 21st century version of "you're an unworthy customer". | 01:11 |
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| delt | .... so, if i had this bootmenu thing, AND only 1 filesystem, ... which ends up not-bootable... this thing would be completely dead, right? | 01:13 |
| GAN900 | Monopolies are never a good thing. | 01:13 |
| javispedro | actually it's no longer a monopoly here, around three to four companies. but still. | 01:15 |
| delt | bah... anyway, bbl :/ thanks all for the info/help... | 01:15 |
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| GAN900 | javispedro, practical monopoly. | 01:16 |
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| javispedro | indeed | 01:17 |
| javispedro | also, they offer dirt cheap voice rates as long as all your calls happen to be within the same carrier =) | 01:17 |
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| javispedro | hmpf. if they removed the usb plugged in check from fmtx middleware in 1.2, why not remove the headphones plugged in check while they were at it? | 01:25 |
| GAN900 | Because it actually matters? | 01:27 |
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| * javispedro ponders something | 01:27 | |
| GAN900 | Doesn't really make a difference, anyway, as they drop the power so much as to make it unusable when USB is plugged in. | 01:27 |
| SpeedEvil | Connect a USB cable - dangling | 01:28 |
| javispedro | ah, it's just that they can't detect the usb cable when it's dangling | 01:28 |
| javispedro | not that they removed the check :P | 01:28 |
| javispedro | hmpf. | 01:28 |
| SpeedEvil | Play FMTX, and take to extreme range. | 01:28 |
| SpeedEvil | Now, unplug usb cable | 01:28 |
| SpeedEvil | signal goes away | 01:28 |
| SpeedEvil | The designed range is between 3 and 5m | 01:28 |
| javispedro | SpeedEvil: I personally use v4l to use the fmtx altogether because without a cable it's unusable | 01:28 |
| javispedro | but this is for a friend's device, and bash would scare him. | 01:29 |
| javispedro | *v4l-ctl | 01:29 |
| SpeedEvil | I suggest queen-beecon | 01:29 |
| * javispedro takes a look | 01:30 | |
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| jacktheripper | can anyone here help me against my bootloop and pastebin `dpkg -S /usr/lib/microb-engine` from their N900 ? :) | 01:31 |
| SpeedEvil | microb-engine-common, microb-engine, libnspr4, microb-eal, libwidgetutils, libnss3, libnss3-certs, nokia-maps-core: /usr/lib/microb-engine | 01:31 |
| javispedro | jacktheripper: there is a package appropiately named "microb-engine" | 01:31 |
| javispedro | oops, late. | 01:31 |
| jacktheripper | thanks a bunch | 01:32 |
| SpeedEvil | np | 01:32 |
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| jacktheripper | I had that installed | 01:32 |
| jacktheripper | and as you see, tons of packages install into that | 01:32 |
| * SpeedEvil notes firefox 4 is available. | 01:32 | |
| jacktheripper | for maemo ?! | 01:32 |
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| SpeedEvil | yes | 01:32 |
| jacktheripper | gotta try that | 01:33 |
| nox- | oh? | 01:33 |
| SpeedEvil | http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/mobile/4.0b1/releasenotes/ | 01:33 |
| nox- | thx :) | 01:35 |
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| jacktheripper | SpeedEvil, did you mean fennec by firefox4 ? | 02:10 |
| SpeedEvil | no | 02:10 |
| SpeedEvil | http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/mobile/4.0b1/releasenotes/ | 02:10 |
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| javispedro | firefox mobile = fennec | 02:11 |
| SpeedEvil | http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/m/beta | 02:11 |
| jacktheripper | ummm http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/mobile/beta/ gives me "fennec is already installed" | 02:11 |
| SpeedEvil | dunno | 02:11 |
| SpeedEvil | It installed fine here - though I did not previously have fennec installed | 02:11 |
| SpeedEvil | javispedro: Perhaps. | 02:11 |
| SpeedEvil | javispedro: However, it was nowhere branded as fennec | 02:12 |
| javispedro | it is, they renamed long ago | 02:12 |
| jacktheripper | SpeedEvil, could you check if you have 'fennec' installed NOW ? | 02:12 |
| javispedro | lol, also android. I have to wonder if they shipped their own libc, or used bionic? | 02:12 |
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| BigWookie | Hi, i have a very strange problem with Madde , it seems the Emulation is working, but i don't get any image on the qemu window, in the shell I can do everything | 02:14 |
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| pronto | does anyone knwo where fmms saves its photos? | 02:27 |
| lcuk | bhi javispedro \o | 02:30 |
| pronto | and nevermind, i just found it | 02:30 |
| lcuk | for the record, where does it save them | 02:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: do we know exactly how much battery current flashlight will cause? | 02:31 |
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| lcuk | DocScrutinizer, I believe thats already documented somewhere based on the spec of the lights | 02:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer | lcuk: yes, I think so. Just want to check back, to finally decide on RS once and for all | 02:33 |
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| * lcuk nods | 02:33 | |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: it's on the order of 100mA | 02:33 |
| SpeedEvil | I forgret exactly. | 02:33 |
| SpeedEvil | 7.2V*50mA*1.1/3.6 | 02:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | err yep, * efficiency | 02:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | aah, 1.1 | 02:34 |
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| DocScrutinizer | correct? | 02:34 |
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| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: how do you know the LED Vfwd is 3.6, or 7.2 for 2 in series? | 02:36 |
| SpeedEvil | 7.2 | 02:37 |
| SpeedEvil | 2 in series | 02:37 |
| SpeedEvil | It will be - all blue/white LEDs are. | 02:37 |
| SpeedEvil | (plus or minus 15%) | 02:37 |
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| DocScrutinizer | hmm, not good enough to test for RS | 02:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | I've changed the first 2 lines of the script like | 02:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | # Assuming 30 mOhm sense resistance | 02:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | RS=${RS:-30} | 02:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | but I finally want to know what to write there | 02:45 |
| SpeedEvil | Sigh. | 02:45 |
| SpeedEvil | I keep getting delayed. | 02:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | please, let's change topic before I blush | 02:46 |
| SpeedEvil | But tomorrow with luck when I drag the PSU back in from the shed where ti is charging lead-acid batteries for winter. | 02:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~lart Nokia, for not even answering SUCH A SIMPLE question, like "what's exact value of RS?" | 02:47 |
| * infobot whips out a hot clue gun and makes sure that Nokia, is stuck to the floor for not even answering SUCH A SIMPLE question, like "what's exact value of RS?" | 02:47 | |
| DocScrutinizer | ~botsnak | 02:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~botsnack | 02:48 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer: :) | 02:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~good bot | 02:48 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer: :) | 02:48 |
| BigWookie | ;_; Can't somebody help me please, I'm trying to get the mulator to work for 5 hours now, after the Nokia Bootsplash i just won't ouput any image , even in vnc mode.. on a similiar netbook it is working ... i can even ssh to it and mes with everyting... ( madde out of NokiaQtSDK AND Latest madde release) | 02:50 |
| javispedro | hi lcuk | 02:51 |
| javispedro | :p | 02:51 |
| lcuk | \o javispedro | 02:52 |
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| wmarone | and it's keeping the CPU pegged... :/ | 02:55 |
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| DocScrutinizer | hah, maybe I can power N900 from a GTA02 smartbat, and read out the bq27000 values :-P | 03:42 |
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| ieatlint | DocScrutinizer: you're drunk | 03:50 |
| SpeedEvil | It's not in principle an insane idea. | 03:50 |
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| lcuk | DocScrutinizer, SpeedEvil - completely offtopic. i charged up my battery for my helicopter | 03:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | ieatlint: I wish I were | 03:54 |
| lcuk | and when i plugged it in the power to the main rotors was good until I hit a level, then when it got fastest it crapped out seriously | 03:54 |
| SpeedEvil | lcuk: did you get out OK? | 03:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm | 03:55 |
| lcuk | SpeedEvil, yeah | 03:55 |
| lcuk | it was just odd | 03:55 |
| SpeedEvil | lcuk: crashes can be bad, especially if not buckled in. | 03:55 |
| lcuk | the RC unit was responding fint | 03:55 |
| lcuk | fine | 03:55 |
| SpeedEvil | li-ion cells are flaky used at high powers. | 03:56 |
| ieatlint | i don't have a helicopter :( | 03:56 |
| SpeedEvil | they can need fairly regular replacement. | 03:56 |
| lcuk | its been idle for 18months@ | 03:56 |
| SpeedEvil | Prolly needs replacementr | 03:56 |
| lcuk | have one ordered | 03:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | ouch | 03:56 |
| SpeedEvil | I have a hoverboard design. | 03:56 |
| lcuk | just thought I would fire up that one and see | 03:56 |
| SpeedEvil | But no funding. :) | 03:56 |
| lcuk | heh | 03:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | lcuk: 18 months without maintenance? | 03:57 |
| lcuk | :) my dad bought me a helicopter a while ago | 03:57 |
| lcuk | I just thought I would try and fly it :) | 03:57 |
| lcuk | yeah DocScrutinizer | 03:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | get rid of that cell | 03:57 |
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| lcuk | DocScrutinizer, have done, not even tried to tweak it | 03:57 |
| lcuk | the new one is on the way | 03:57 |
| SpeedEvil | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4OsBc8RqSKU | 03:57 |
| SpeedEvil | is fun | 03:57 |
| lcuk | holy crap! | 03:58 |
| SpeedEvil | Indeed. :) | 03:58 |
| ieatlint | hoverboard? like back to the future style? | 03:59 |
| lcuk | SpeedEvil, actual mobile HB? | 03:59 |
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| lcuk | or the fakey type | 03:59 |
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| SpeedEvil | lcuk: sort-of. | 03:59 |
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| SpeedEvil | lcuk: 60Kg or so weight, ~1m*1m, accellerates up at 2G | 04:00 |
| SpeedEvil | lcuk: With a 100Kg passenger. | 04:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | bah, a decent H2 explosion in a room full of lead acid batteries. That's much better | 04:00 |
| SpeedEvil | lcuk: tops out at maybe 4Km. | 04:00 |
| SpeedEvil | lcuk: basically a closely packed array of ducted fans. | 04:01 |
| SpeedEvil | And rather a lot of lithium-ion cells. | 04:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer | 3kF :-D | 04:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | err 1 | 04:03 |
| dsg | Anyone tried the firefox beta? | 04:05 |
| SpeedEvil | yes | 04:05 |
| SpeedEvil | seems to work. | 04:05 |
| dsg | Their repos are still broken (malformed Release file error here) | 04:05 |
| SpeedEvil | Not tried it much | 04:05 |
| dsg | SpeedEvil: Where'd you download it? | 04:05 |
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| SpeedEvil | http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/mobile/4.0b1/releasenotes/ | 04:06 |
| SpeedEvil | then find the download link | 04:06 |
| nox- | yeah i reported that in the mozilla irc and was even pointed to this thread: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=63508 | 04:07 |
| * nox- had reported with with the 2.0 nightlies as well, guess fixing that is low priority... :) | 04:08 | |
| dsg | Thanks | 04:08 |
| nox- | s/with with/that with/ | 04:08 |
| SpeedEvil | It 'just worked' for me. | 04:08 |
| nox- | the install via http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/m/beta ? | 04:09 |
| SpeedEvil | yes | 04:09 |
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| nox- | hm weird | 04:09 |
| nox- | maybe its a l10n issue? | 04:10 |
| delt | ok, so just disconnected my n810 from the charger... had a black screen that said "battery full, disconnect from charger to save power" | 04:10 |
| delt | so if the battery isnt as full as it can be, my name is patoffe and i can fly. | 04:10 |
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| SpeedEvil | battery may need replaced | 04:12 |
| delt | weird, a few days ago this worked constantly, with no hassle, on a battery 5-10% full | 04:14 |
| SpeedEvil | dunno | 04:14 |
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| delt | *sigh*... so any way to enable "rd mode" from the n810 itself? | 04:15 |
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| delt | OR any proper DETAILED documentation on this "boot menu" thing??? | 04:15 |
| delt | just wondering how im supposed to RE-FLASH this device if i fucked it up (which is probably the case) | 04:16 |
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| delt | so, DocScrutinizer: pressing the POWER button and selecting SWITCH OFF... SWITCHES OFF the device, yes or no? | 04:18 |
| delt | or do i still have to remove the battery, THEN hold down "home" THEN plug the usb etc etc....? | 04:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | delt: how the hell shall I know? | 04:19 |
| delt | you told me to do all that "remove battery, hold down HOME button" etc...right? | 04:19 |
| delt | then, didnt work after 10-15 tries you told me "go charge the battery" which i am just back from doing. | 04:20 |
| delt | 21:12 < delt> ok, so just disconnected my n810 from the charger... had a black screen that said "battery full, disconnect from charger to save power" | 04:20 |
| delt | 21:12 < delt> so if the battery isnt as full as it can be, my name is patoffe and i can fly. | 04:20 |
| delt | so if you're not sure about something, just say "i'm not sure" instead of wasting several hours of my time. Ok thanks a lot. | 04:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer | delfsckoff | 04:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer | IDIOT | 04:22 |
| pupnik | well nice to see you say idiot | 04:24 |
| pupnik | when it's not a response to something i said | 04:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I'm only calling suckers names that actually waste my time and blame me for wasting theirs | 04:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer | oh, and really SO SORRY my crystal ball fails to diagnose what's going on inside your device, over that distance. Of course a bit of thinking would have revealed I can tell for sure the device is off when battery is removed, but obviously I fail miserably to promise with absolute certainty that hitting "shut down" will actually do that | 04:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | once again | 04:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | IDIOT | 04:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer | raster: hi, pal | 04:34 |
| raster | DocScrutinizer: grumpy doc? | 04:35 |
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| DocScrutinizer | pissed by idiot user with vampire attitude | 04:35 |
| raster | heheheh | 04:35 |
| raster | enough of them out there :) | 04:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep | 04:35 |
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| OutpostME | maemo ftw \o/ | 05:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: drop op? | 05:24 |
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| Termana | DocScrutinizer, /msg chanserv deop Stskeeps? | 05:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Termana: faster this way, less typing :-P | 05:27 |
| Termana | :p | 05:27 |
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| pupnik | plan to fight the police once in your life | 05:28 |
| pupnik | plan to fight the police once in your life | 05:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | EUNIQ | 05:29 |
| Termana | pupnik, any particular reason you found the phrase good enough to spam in 3 channels? (and probably more) | 05:31 |
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| johnx | pupnik, actually my plan is generally to *avoid* fighting the police | 05:32 |
| pupnik | too few channels Termana | 05:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | pupnik: create new ones! it's easy, and they are all just yours :-P | 05:33 |
| pupnik | we all grow old, and more responsible | 05:34 |
| johnx | growing old: can't do much about that | 05:34 |
| * DocScrutinizer smells pupnik's political hour approaching | 05:34 | |
| johnx | but I do tend to avoid having unnecessary responsibility dropped on me | 05:34 |
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| pupnik | johnx: dropped = forced, no? | 05:35 |
| johnx | interesting question. I'd have to say no | 05:35 |
| johnx | if someone else drops the ball, I may feel compelled to pick it up but I'm not forced to | 05:35 |
| pupnik | what are we doing here, johnx | 05:36 |
| pupnik | why are you and i talking | 05:36 |
| johnx | because I've been drinking | 05:36 |
| pupnik | why do we care | 05:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | and why in this channel :-D | 05:36 |
| pupnik | no | 05:36 |
| pupnik | this is very core | 05:36 |
| pupnik | to the soul of maemo and meego | 05:36 |
| pupnik | why do we care | 05:36 |
| OutpostME | because it's about balls | 05:37 |
| johnx | because the alternatives are worse | 05:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | hehe | 05:37 |
| pupnik | well, it's worth thinking about | 05:37 |
| pupnik | maybe it's hard to describe | 05:38 |
| pupnik | but... hear now | 05:38 |
| * johnx hears now | 05:38 | |
| pupnik | you don't want some untrusted jerk controlling your OS | 05:38 |
| pupnik | you don't want some untrusted jerk controlling your monetary supply --- end the FEDERAL RESERVE | 05:39 |
| pupnik | duyurrrrr | 05:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | damn, an untrusted jerk is controlling ALL my OS ;-P | 05:39 |
| pupnik | right | 05:39 |
| pupnik | shoot them | 05:39 |
| pupnik | with gun | 05:39 |
| pupnik | tok tok | 05:39 |
| johnx | pupnik, you've been drinking too, haven't you? | 05:39 |
| pupnik | naw | 05:40 |
| pupnik | shoot the people who are printing money | 05:40 |
| Termana | DocScrutinizer, all your OS are belong to jerks | 05:40 |
| pupnik | what a funny idea :) | 05:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | pupnik has a schedule in his PIM for those philosophical hours | 05:40 |
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| Termana | lol | 05:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | Termana: only one, and he's looking at me every morning in the bathroom | 05:41 |
| Termana | heh :p | 05:41 |
| pupnik | tok tok.. .hey it works | 05:41 |
| pupnik | look the .. | 05:41 |
| Termana | DocScrutinizer, Consider this a good thing, my first reaction wasn't "yourself", it was, "do you live with pupnik?" | 05:42 |
| Termana | :P | 05:42 |
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| DocScrutinizer | lol | 05:42 |
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| nox- | haha | 05:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | btw which FSCKNG monetary supply? | 05:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | hey Mister, spare a dime! | 05:45 |
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| misc-- | is there a way to start a program automatically when a certain network interface starts? | 05:59 |
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| TermanaN900 | misc--, shouldn't you be able to take advantage of upstart for that? | 06:01 |
| misc-- | ahh maybe... I will check it out | 06:02 |
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| air | who here loves finding memory leaks and wants to do it for me? :) | 06:18 |
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| LiraNuna | http://www.intomobile.com/2010/10/04/nokia-n9-hardware-is-nearly-perfect/ | 08:16 |
| LiraNuna | :O | 08:16 |
| ikke-t | is it safe to run diablo sdk installer on top of fremantle sdk? or should it be done installing manually using root-straps? | 08:19 |
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| ikke-t | i want to have both envs, and already have fremantle.... | 08:20 |
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| spinningcompass | ikke-t: The framework supports both, I think. You can switch between them w/ sbmenu | 09:05 |
| * MohammadAG51 hates the MeeGo UI | 09:06 | |
| MohammadAG51 | seriously, fremantle's UI owns it | 09:07 |
| psycho_oreos | alas N9's unreleased hardware is much cooler than n900's imo | 09:08 |
| MohammadAG51 | the N9 probably has a different UI, and is based on MeeGo + debian | 09:10 |
| MohammadAG51 | psycho_oreos, is there a spec list anywhere? | 09:10 |
| psycho_oreos | MohammadAG51, no, just lots of rumours I'm afraid | 09:11 |
| MohammadAG51 | if the device eldar has is the N9, it sucks in terms of looks :P | 09:12 |
| psycho_oreos | MohammadAG51, supposedly it'll feature 1GHz ARM CPU, with wl1271 (802.11n capable) wifi, 64GB onboard memory, etc | 09:12 |
| * MohammadAG51 is interested in RAM | 09:12 | |
| psycho_oreos | heh I dunno | 09:13 |
| psycho_oreos | just lots of leaks.. much like PR1.3 | 09:13 |
| MohammadAG51 | err? | 09:14 |
| MohammadAG51 | 1.3 was leaked? | 09:14 |
| psycho_oreos | and I must admit that n9 looks almost like n8 except probably thicker for proper keyboard | 09:14 |
| psycho_oreos | nah the info and speculations were leaked | 09:14 |
| MohammadAG51 | the N8 looks like the E66 | 09:14 |
| psycho_oreos | n8 looks fugly | 09:15 |
| TermanaN900 | exactly and the n9 looks exactly like it | 09:16 |
| TermanaN900 | thereby being fugly as well | 09:16 |
| gggs | Wow I didn't know a guy from Palm was hired by Nokia for MeeGo | 09:16 |
| wmarone | heh | 09:16 |
| wmarone | I can totally tolerate fugly if it's got good specs | 09:16 |
| psycho_oreos | gggs, it was, the senior vice-president of nokia devices (or handsets) quit after the CEO was laid off along with another exec | 09:18 |
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| MohammadAG51 | "it"? was | 09:18 |
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| psycho_oreos | I guess if n9 looks similar to n8, it'll be good to diss a few symbian fans ;) | 09:18 |
| * MohammadAG51 was a symbian fan | 09:19 | |
| psycho_oreos | `cool game! is that a n8?'... `nah its an n9' :D | 09:20 |
| * MohammadAG51 wonders when the neopwn kernel source is coming out | 09:21 | |
| gggs | psycho_oreos: An article says he was with Palm for 11 years, so I'm assuming he didn't contribute to it's downfall | 09:21 |
| * psycho_oreos hated symbian and still isn't a fan of symbian | 09:21 | |
| gggs | s/it's/its | 09:21 |
| MohammadAG51 | psycho_oreos, i've never heard of maemo before | 09:22 |
| MohammadAG51 | and iOS is meh | 09:22 |
| MohammadAG51 | android isn't popular | 09:22 |
| psycho_oreos | gggs, well there was a news article about it and the outgoing vice president's departure had nothing to do with the outing of Nokia's CEO | 09:22 |
| psycho_oreos | MohammadAG51, lies :p | 09:22 |
| TermanaN900 | MohammadAG51, never heard of what before? :p | 09:22 |
| gggs | psycho_oreos: PalmOS was a great platform for its time, lets hope he can start MeeGo off on the right foot | 09:26 |
| psycho_oreos | gggs, I've heard that WebOS on Palm was nice but I've previously owned a Palm device (m505) it wasn't that particularly great.. I hope the new guy knows a thing or two about linux and to keep meego on its right path, rather than stripping away user's rights | 09:28 |
| wmarone | he's focused on the UI | 09:28 |
| wmarone | not "whether users can get root access" | 09:28 |
| psycho_oreos | UI is part of the root access and access to proper tools | 09:28 |
| psycho_oreos | err root access is part of the UI should I say | 09:29 |
| wmarone | no, not really. | 09:29 |
| psycho_oreos | and how is it not? every maemo device probably had an integrated feature to enable root mode | 09:29 |
| wmarone | sure, but that's not part of the UI | 09:29 |
| wmarone | it could be part of the bootloader | 09:29 |
| psycho_oreos | I highly doubt its part of the bootloader | 09:30 |
| MohammadAG51 | NOLO doesn't know shit about root | 09:31 |
| wmarone | well, it doesn't need to | 09:31 |
| gggs | psycho_oreos: That's a good point, it'd be interesting to see | 09:31 |
| wmarone | it just needs to pass down info | 09:31 |
| gggs | psycho_oreos: I had an m105, the main reason I ditched it after a year or two was because the touchscreen kept dieing, it went back on warranty at least 4 or 5 times | 09:32 |
| psycho_oreos | gggs, I gotta admit the idea of stylus writing was nice but its support on alternative platforms at the time wasn't that great and plus you needed to learn how to write it in its way | 09:33 |
| psycho_oreos | gggs, fyi: http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/Nokia-s-MeeGo-VP-leaves-1102467.html | 09:34 |
| psycho_oreos | and root access I still believe is part of the UI, UI is a very broad term, not to be confused with simply just GUI | 09:34 |
| psycho_oreos | ahh this was the one I read yesterday: http://news.softpedia.com/news/Nokia-Loses-MeeGo-VP-Ari-Jaaksi-Another-One-Bites-the-Dust-159494.shtml | 09:37 |
| wmarone | in that case, root access must absolutely not be part of the UI, otherwise your design efforts have failed utterly. It should be available to those who want it, of course. | 09:37 |
| psycho_oreos | root access is part of the UI no matter how you look at it unless you're one of those who can only think that root access must be a means of jailbreaking one's devices like what one has to do with the likes of Android and iOS | 09:38 |
| gggs | psycho_oreos: In hindsight using Graffiti was slow, but the UI was cleverly designed, and to this day it was probably the most effective schedule & phonebook I've ever used, but the biggest issue for me was similar to yours- it was a data island, you absolutely needed to connect it to a PC to install apps, backup, restore, etc | 09:38 |
| psycho_oreos | and root access is not a priority feature, root access is just a complimentary feature considering maemo was targeted at `niche users/owners' not for regular phone geeks | 09:39 |
| psycho_oreos | gggs, which is something I don't look forward to with devices beyond n9 sporting meego | 09:40 |
| psycho_oreos | it'll only make me think no more different than what symbian is very much like | 09:40 |
| gggs | psycho_oreos: One day I dropped my Palm, and the batteries must've bounced, because it wiped the entire memory. I couldn't use it until I could get home and `re-sync' it, which made me realize how un-resilient OS's like PalmOS, Symbian are | 09:43 |
| psycho_oreos | gggs, well I suppose it could also heavily depend on the type of flash chipsets used | 09:45 |
| gggs | psycho_oreos: Flash memory has improved since then, but mobile OS dependency doesn't seem to have changed much since then, you still need a `MS Windows XP compatible' to update the firmware | 09:47 |
| psycho_oreos | gggs, not only that, most of the connectivity tools were mainly built for windows | 09:47 |
| gggs | psycho_oreos: Exactly | 09:49 |
| psycho_oreos | gggs, so yeah lets all hope that meego will be turned into something else | 09:51 |
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| VladNistor | hello, i seem to have a little issue with ssh and remote connections; i created an rsa key on my phone and copied it to my laptop as stated here http://wiki.maemo.org/SSH . I can login without a password. When I copy my key from the laptop to the phone it always asks for the certificate password. how can I make it not do that? | 10:45 |
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| VladNistor | i used the "ssh-copy-id -i" option as it seems cleaner, and the key is in my authorised_keys file, but it still asks for a password :( | 10:47 |
| VladNistor | or a passphrase for the key, which defeats the scope | 10:48 |
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| alterego | VladNistor: probably because you set a passkey on the key. Try removing it with ssh-keygen | 10:51 |
| alterego | ssh-keygen -p ~/.ssh/id_rsa | 10:52 |
| alterego | Make it blank | 10:52 |
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| VladNistor | oh, so I would need to change my laptop key then? | 10:55 |
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| VladNistor | alterego, i use it with launchpad and other services, would there be a way to make it not ask for a passphrase without getting rif of it? | 10:56 |
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| alterego | VladNistor: you can use the key agent look i t up. Basically you just need to unlock the key once the first time you use it per startup | 11:02 |
| alterego | Ii swear the N900's wifi is better than my two laptops' and usb dongle ... | 11:03 |
| VladNistor | i dunno, on mine it show like it's connected but I have no network or internet access after a while :( | 11:04 |
| alterego | Strange, I've found an open ap, which I can use on the N900 but not on anyhting else. | 11:04 |
| alterego | I can't even see it on my other devices. | 11:05 |
| MohammadAG51 | the N900 has an epic wifi chip | 11:05 |
| VladNistor | that's nice | 11:05 |
| MohammadAG51 | beats all other nokias | 11:05 |
| alterego | :) | 11:05 |
| Juozapas | but gps chip isnt very good right ? | 11:06 |
| MohammadAG51 | (and my broadcom laptop) | 11:06 |
| VladNistor | so my problem is probably with the router then? | 11:06 |
| MohammadAG51 | gets a lock in 5 secs here | 11:06 |
| MohammadAG51 | what's your problem? | 11:06 |
| VladNistor | it show like it's connected but I have no network or internet access after a while | 11:06 |
| alterego | My netbook has broadcom and my laptop has intel neither see this ap, my usb dongles are all zydas 1211 | 11:06 |
| MohammadAG51 | VladNistor, power saving mode | 11:07 |
| alterego | Yeah, was gonna say power saving. | 11:07 |
| VladNistor | oh, thanks... i thought it would disconnect not keep saying it's there and not work :)) | 11:07 |
| alterego | MohammadAG51: I submitted a pandaboard entry :) | 11:08 |
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| alterego | Hope it gets accepted | 11:09 |
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| alterego | "What color N8 will be best for photography?" teeheehee | 11:11 |
| VladNistor | alterego, i tried ssh-keygen -p ~/.ssh/id_rsa, but it says too many arguments :( | 11:13 |
| ieatlint | alterego: fuschia | 11:13 |
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| VladNistor | oh, i see now, don't need the ~/.ssh stuff at the end | 11:14 |
| VladNistor | thanks | 11:14 |
| alterego | np, using the key agent is probably more secure though | 11:15 |
| Juozapas | can u recommend some photo/image resizer for n900 ? | 11:17 |
| VladNistor | ok, now this is weird, i removed the passphrase but it still asks for one when i try to connect :-? | 11:17 |
| alterego | Hrm, are you sure it's the right key file? :) | 11:18 |
| alterego | It's the one you're connecting from right? | 11:19 |
| VladNistor | yes, i've had this key for my laptop for a while now | 11:19 |
| alterego | Hrm, and you're sure it's asking for the passphrase and not the password for the N900? | 11:21 |
| VladNistor | crap. it's actually asking for the N900 passphrase... | 11:22 |
| VladNistor | n900 key | 11:22 |
| alterego | password z:P | 11:23 |
| VladNistor | yeah, this operation has the sole purpose of getting me rid of passwords :)) | 11:24 |
| VladNistor | and using grsync to sync stuff with ssh :)) | 11:25 |
| VladNistor | there, now it works, silly me :P | 11:25 |
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| sivang | re all | 11:38 |
| sivang | morning | 11:38 |
| sivang | from the KDE sprint at Munich | 11:38 |
| Stskeeps | morn, having fun? | 11:38 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 11:38 |
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| sivang | Stskeeps: Me thinks so :) | 11:42 |
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| ieatlint | damn button | 11:47 |
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| Corsac | grmbl, battery graphs when activating jabber account is just scary | 12:35 |
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| SpeedEvil | Force it onto 2G | 12:37 |
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| ludens | anyone has had problems with adflashblock not working after install? | 12:54 |
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| Venemo_N900 | Hi | 13:23 |
| Venemo_N900 | what's up in Maemo land? | 13:23 |
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| dRbiG | is there any easy way in gtk to set a widget to try to maximize it's size? i've got a treeview, a set of buttons and another set of stuff (treeview and 2x vbox) and i would like the treeview to occupy as much space as possible in the horizontal direction | 13:26 |
| Venemo_N900 | dRbiG: have you looked at the gtk docs? | 13:27 |
| dRbiG | Venemo_N900: looking all the time | 13:27 |
| dRbiG | i have an idea for this | 13:28 |
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| dRbiG | hmm, not working :/ | 13:29 |
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| Venemo_N900 | dRbiG: what did you try? | 13:29 |
| dRbiG | ok, now it works | 13:29 |
| dRbiG | Venemo_N900: moved from .add to .pack_start and setting the fill & expand values manually | 13:30 |
| dRbiG | it seems that .add is basically an alias for pack_start with expand & fill set to true | 13:30 |
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| Venemo_N900 | dRbiG: well, I dunno. but you can always look at the source of Maemo Gtk to see | 13:31 |
| dRbiG | Venemo_N900: as far as ui coding goes i'm trying to map my tk experience (however little) onto gtk | 13:32 |
| dRbiG | seems to work for me | 13:32 |
| Venemo_N900 | dRbiG: "tk"? | 13:32 |
| dRbiG | Venemo_N900: as in Tcl/Tk | 13:32 |
| Venemo_N900 | dRbiG: never heard about it | 13:33 |
| Venemo_N900 | hm | 13:33 |
| Venemo_N900 | is there some statistics available about the number of packages in the repos? | 13:33 |
| dRbiG | tk is kind of a mother of all ui frameworks :) | 13:33 |
| Venemo_N900 | Mhm | 13:35 |
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| Venemo_N900 | alterego: ping | 13:43 |
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| dRbiG | now another quest to make a treeview not expand more than to fit three list items | 13:45 |
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| Venemo_N900 | dRbiG: why don't you use Qt? | 13:57 |
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| dRbiG | Venemo_N900: and why should i use Qt? :) | 14:09 |
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| psycho_oreos | jacekowski, ping | 14:12 |
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| Venemo_N900 | dRbiG: I didn't say you should. but it's lot easier to work with than Gtk | 14:17 |
| Venemo_N900 | dRbiG: also on Nokia devices, Qt is the future | 14:17 |
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| RST38h | hmmm.... so, have they ported gpSP to Maemo or not? | 14:23 |
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| jacekowski | psycho_oreos: pong | 14:39 |
| psycho_oreos | jacekowski, mind if you share the diff for fmtx-si4713.mod.c please? :D | 14:39 |
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| jacekowski | i don't have them | 14:42 |
| jacekowski | i never modded .c file | 14:42 |
| jacekowski | i modded module itself | 14:42 |
| jacekowski | but it's just simple mod | 14:42 |
| psycho_oreos | the module as in the fmtxd, nah couldn't be right heh, I dunno I'm looking to see where is the region, looking at that file its a whole bunch of memrefs if I'm not mistaken | 14:43 |
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| psycho_oreos | ahh wait, kernel module but the closest one I've found for that module was fmtx-si4713.mod.c.. that was the only source file hmm | 14:44 |
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| jacekowski | no | 14:45 |
| jacekowski | #define DEFAULT_REGION_SETTINGS 0x02 | 14:45 |
| jacekowski | that's line you have to change | 14:45 |
| jacekowski | to | 14:45 |
| jacekowski | #define DEFAULT_REGION_SETTINGS 0x04 | 14:45 |
| jacekowski | in | 14:45 |
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| jacekowski | /kernel-2.6.28/drivers/media/radio/si4713.c | 14:45 |
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| psycho_oreos | ahh! bingo thanks! | 14:45 |
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| DocScrutinizer | the REAL HACKER patches the binary :-P | 14:48 |
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| psycho_oreos | or rewrites the whole fmtxd module thing using decompiler like qwerty12 ;) but all is well that I'm not even one lol | 14:49 |
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| jacekowski | there are no decompilers for arm | 14:51 |
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| RST38h | heya wazd | 14:57 |
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| dRbiG | hmm, pajtoniści: jest jakaś składnia w pajtonie 2.x do szybkiego porówniania stringa do prostego patternu? z wildcard wystarczy mi '*' oraz '.' lub '?'; chcę coś takiego if 'dupa666' =~ 'dupa*': print 'Tak' | 15:07 |
| dRbiG | regexpy to overkill tutaj | 15:07 |
| jacekowski | it's english channel | 15:08 |
| Corsac | hmhm, in fact it's jabber+3g which kills battery, jabber on wifi seems fine | 15:08 |
| jacekowski | and regexp isn't an overkill | 15:08 |
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| Corsac | so I guess enabled jabber account on 3g prevents it to ever sleep or something | 15:08 |
| jacekowski | Corsac: try skype +3g | 15:08 |
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| Corsac | I don't use skype | 15:09 |
| dRbiG | ops | 15:09 |
| dRbiG | sorry, not intended for this channel ;) | 15:09 |
| dRbiG | jacekowski: i still think that regexps for simple matching with '*' and '?' are an overkill | 15:11 |
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| dRbiG | and they introduce more problems when you think about all their special characters and syntax | 15:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Corsac: IM apps over 3G cause it to burn power like mad for TX | 15:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer | basically a ping every 30s is enough to keep the TX always on | 15:28 |
| Corsac | mhm ok | 15:28 |
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| kerio | how does fring do that? | 15:54 |
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| SpeedEvil | http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Power_Consumption | 15:57 |
| SpeedEvil | 3.5G data, short pings 1 s 186 mA 10 s 120 mA approx. 30 s 136 mA | 15:57 |
| kerio | maybe because with 30s it has time to go into idle and then has to immediately go back to transmitting? | 15:58 |
| SpeedEvil | So there is some small saving when you back off to 15s or so - 50% | 15:58 |
| SpeedEvil | But you need to be idle for >>60s to get the power down to 1/4 | 15:58 |
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| mirr0r | anyone knows which theme the user has in this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_58jo0TnIOI&feature=player_embedded ? | 16:41 |
| lcuk | mirr0r, hm IDK - ask him in comment? | 16:43 |
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| cehteh | mirr0r: looks like this oku... forgotten the name | 16:47 |
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| cehteh | okuda | 16:51 |
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| jacktheripper | does fcam work with PR1.2 ? | 16:55 |
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| SpeedEvil | yes | 17:03 |
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| jacktheripper | why do I get a blank viewfinder then ? and: | 17:16 |
| jacktheripper | adp1653 2-0030: failed writing fault register | 17:17 |
| jacktheripper | video4linux video0: can't power up slaves | 17:17 |
| jacktheripper | in dmesg | 17:17 |
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| n900-space | hi all | 17:20 |
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| BigWookie | I try to emulate N900 with madde ( newest stand alone version and nokiaqtsdk version) , I tried the precompiled version of qemu from the distributed package and compiled my own one. The machine starts, i can see the bootsplash, but after that the screen remains blank, The underneath system is running, as i can ssh to it and on other systems the same image files leed to a graphical interface, just on my 3 computers it just won't work, i'm usi | 17:24 |
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| GAN900 | Sad reality seems to be that the N900 just doesn't have enough RAM for Fennec. | 17:28 |
| Stskeeps | well, considering browserd is always in memory and fennec isn't.. | 17:28 |
| Jartza | hmm | 17:29 |
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| GAN900 | Stskeeps, XUL adds bloat | 17:30 |
| GAN900 | and it doesn't leave much headroom either way. | 17:30 |
| GAN900 | Pity I/O is so dog slow. | 17:30 |
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| sivang | re all | 18:02 |
| Stskeeps | re | 18:02 |
| pronto | re | 18:05 |
| pronto | (i have no idea why people say re , i jsut see it all over the place :s) | 18:05 |
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| psycho_oreos | re = hi again | 18:10 |
| lolloo | re | 18:11 |
| lolloo | hahaha | 18:11 |
| jpinx | htf can re = hi again? | 18:11 |
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| Corsac | it might come from the french, where it would mean « retour » as in « je suis de retour » / “I'm back” | 18:13 |
| Corsac | or « me re-voilà » | 18:13 |
| ZogG | crashanddie, hey gentoo guru | 18:16 |
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| BigWookie | okay i'm a little bit further in my investigation, the problem seems to be x, i can paint the framebuffer... | 18:50 |
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| Jaffa | re | 18:51 |
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| lcuk | BigWookie, its not something as simple as the export DISPLAY variable is it? | 19:02 |
| BigWookie | lcuk: nope it goes a little bit further i think | 19:02 |
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| lcuk | BigWookie, thats a shame | 19:02 |
| lcuk | whats the host OS? | 19:02 |
| BigWookie | Host os is Ubuntu 10.04 i686 | 19:03 |
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| lcuk | BigWookie, have you ever had the Maemo SDK installed? (as comparison only) | 19:04 |
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| BigWookie | nop | 19:05 |
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| BigWookie | atm i use the stand alone version of madde | 19:09 |
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| BigWookie | Oky the first problem ist that HAL won't start~ | 19:53 |
| SpeedEvil | I'd suggest suiting up, and starting pulling logic cards. | 19:54 |
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| BigWookie | /dev/input/* all work fine in the emulator, but X can't connect to them | 19:55 |
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| sphenxes | I am planning to buy nokia n900. Is it possible to install amarok on it? | 20:11 |
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| Hoxzer | most likely yes | 20:13 |
| javispedro | it would look awful, though. | 20:13 |
| RST38h | heya javispedro | 20:14 |
| javispedro | helo RST38h | 20:14 |
| RST38h | Check this out: http://early-onset-of-night.tumblr.com/post/1206666159/say-hello-to-mechanically-separated-chicken-its | 20:14 |
| javispedro | wtf | 20:14 |
| sphenxes | I would like to play music from my ampache server,? what would you suggest as media player on maemo (nokia n900)? | 20:14 |
| * RST38h now knows why he never ever eats at thesefastfood places | 20:14 | |
| Hoxzer | sphenxes: You're aware that N900 has free grooveshark client? | 20:15 |
| javispedro | RST38h: but that's the future! *sips tasty soylent green* | 20:16 |
| Hoxzer | *of that | 20:16 |
| sphenxes | Hoxzer, no. would it work with ampache? | 20:16 |
| BigWookie | okay even further, DBUS won't start - dsmesock_connect: Connection refused | 20:16 |
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| sphenxes | javispedro, thanks for the link | 20:17 |
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| RST38h | javispedro: Yea, that, and the rat meat... | 20:17 |
| Hoxzer | sphenxes: It let's you play just about any song from grooveshark's central server. (You dont need to have your OWN server running) | 20:17 |
| Hoxzer | Very much like spotify | 20:18 |
| sphenxes | Hoxzer, thanks. i will take a look | 20:18 |
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| sivaN900 | thp: thanks for wiki edit | 20:23 |
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| BigWookie | can anyone tell me what "dsmetool" is for? | 20:29 |
| jacekowski | talking to dsme | 20:29 |
| BigWookie | "dsmesock_connect: Connection refused" | 20:29 |
| jacekowski | then phone will restart in 32s | 20:29 |
| jacekowski | at most | 20:29 |
| javispedro | unless bme is also not running | 20:29 |
| BigWookie | what does dsme? | 20:30 |
| jacekowski | nope | 20:30 |
| jacekowski | once dsme is started i | 20:30 |
| javispedro | and this is not a n900 =) | 20:30 |
| jacekowski | it starts watchdog | 20:30 |
| jacekowski | and watchdog will never stop | 20:30 |
| BigWookie | okay heres my situation | 20:31 |
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| BigWookie | i've got madde, and a session to the device | 20:31 |
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| BigWookie | but the screen is blank, so i looked in Xorg log and there it is forever waiting for hal | 20:31 |
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| BigWookie | when i try to start hal it says i should look if dbus is running, which it isn't | 20:32 |
| BigWookie | but I also can't start it becaus of "dsmesock_connect: Connection refused" | 20:32 |
| jacekowski | try running it as root | 20:32 |
| jacekowski | hmm, then dsme is not starting | 20:33 |
| BigWookie | i doo | 20:33 |
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| BigWookie | so what to do now? | 20:35 |
| jacekowski | flash it | 20:35 |
| BigWookie | i'm using an emulator | 20:36 |
| javispedro | I don't think were talking about a real device | 20:36 |
| BigWookie | I used 4 different hosts and dozens of different configs | 20:36 |
| jacekowski | ah | 20:37 |
| BigWookie | I used the NokiaQtSDK madde and the stand alone madde | 20:37 |
| jacekowski | i always use real thing | 20:37 |
| BigWookie | mine didn't arrive yet | 20:37 |
| BigWookie | funny thing is, i tried this on 4 different hosts, linux and windows, and i ssem to be the only person with this problem | 20:37 |
| BigWookie | Netbook of a friend of mine, we used the SAME FILES and on his machine it is working, on mine not | 20:38 |
| javispedro | Intel gfx card on his netbook? | 20:39 |
| BigWookie | and on mine too | 20:39 |
| BigWookie | on my desktop nvidia ion | 20:39 |
| BigWookie | I even installed a fresh ubuntu server and started qemu with a vnc server | 20:40 |
| BigWookie | i don't get how nobody else experienced this | 20:41 |
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| TomaszD | Stskeeps, natives are restless again at tmo | 21:03 |
| RST38h | what again? | 21:03 |
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| TomaszD | the tmo tribe is getting worked up about something again | 21:04 |
| SpeedEvil | PR1.3? Flash? | 21:04 |
| TomaszD | flash | 21:04 |
| SpeedEvil | ah | 21:04 |
| RST38h | ah that | 21:04 |
| RST38h | I am sure TI lawyers will be mighty surprised this Monday | 21:04 |
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| TomaszD | I can't bring myself to care about all this, it's just fun to watch I guess | 21:05 |
| RST38h | When they get 9000+ requests for an obscure sample package that nobody but some Chinese engineers has ever requested before | 21:05 |
| RST38h | yea, great entertainent value, almost like visiting a zoo, except you do not feel sad for THESE guys | 21:06 |
| javispedro | those evil chinese engineers, wanting to keep the full glory of flash 30.70 for themselves. | 21:06 |
| RST38h | I know it is probably very illegal, but somebody should package that damn .so into a .deb and make it available via torrent or something | 21:07 |
| * javispedro goes cause some more restless in tmo :P | 21:07 | |
| RST38h | Just to get the pressure off =( | 21:07 |
| BigWookie | Umm how / where is dsme supposed to get started? | 21:07 |
| Stskeeps | TomaszD: at least they're not messaging me anymore | 21:07 |
| RST38h | Stskeeps: they will, on monday | 21:08 |
| Stskeeps | and everyone seems to think i'm a douche who won't share the smiley face pills | 21:08 |
| javispedro | BigWookie: have you checked the usual things? is the download corrupted, is your filesystem out of space, are you installing madde on the suggested location, do you have some other application installed that could possibly be LD_LIBRARY_PATH'ing some nonsense? | 21:08 |
| BigWookie | javispedro: yep all of that | 21:09 |
| RST38h | Stskeeps: that, of course, you are =) | 21:09 |
| TomaszD | well they should, it's all your fault that flash 10.1 hasn't been released yet for maemo 5, that pr1.3 is not public yet | 21:09 |
| kerio | wait, what happened | 21:09 |
| kerio | we have an updated flash player now? | 21:09 |
| TomaszD | and world hunger is also Stskeeps's fault | 21:09 |
| kerio | does it suddenly not suck? | 21:09 |
| BigWookie | javispedro: I first thought it could be a qemu problem till i came to the idea of painting on the fb | 21:09 |
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| RST38h | Actuallty, even if you shared, they would blame you for all their N900 troubles (freezes, crashes, packages do not install, etc) for the next month or so | 21:10 |
| javispedro | RST38h: do not even joke about that, it could be physically dangerous | 21:10 |
| BigWookie | javispedro: so I compiled my own qemu-arm version and tried doing everything manually | 21:10 |
| RST38h | which paart? | 21:10 |
| * javispedro envisions pitchfork wearing lemmings | 21:10 | |
| RST38h | ah | 21:11 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: i should share a rot13 encrypted .so that replaces all flash with goatse | 21:11 |
| TomaszD | the word you're looking for is wielding, not wearing | 21:11 |
| javispedro | ta, TomaszD | 21:11 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, for some people they would hardly notice | 21:12 |
| RST38h | Stskeeps: So that every flash plugin placeholder shows a goatse? Yes. | 21:12 |
| kerio | Stskeeps: meh, goatse is old | 21:12 |
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| lcuk | kerio, as with everything nowadays | 21:13 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: yes | 21:13 |
| * RST38h got contacted by the FBReader guy, there is still hope I will not have to do 0.12.x after all :) | 21:13 | |
| kerio | i say meatspin | 21:13 |
| javispedro | RST38h: I though he moved to android | 21:13 |
| kerio | with the original ytmnd soundtrack | 21:13 |
| javispedro | *thought | 21:13 |
| javispedro | err.. | 21:13 |
| RST38h | javspedro:No, this is the core FBReader guy | 21:13 |
| RST38h | crossplatform, etc | 21:13 |
| SpeedEvil | :) | 21:14 |
| RST38h | TomaszD: Considering a typical lemming size vs a typical pitchfork size, "wearing" may not be that far from the truth :) | 21:14 |
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| javispedro | ah, nice thread. *bookmarks it* will make for a nice bedtime read. | 21:19 |
| nox- | moin | 21:20 |
| javispedro | morning | 21:20 |
| nox- | moin javispedro | 21:21 |
| tank-man | RST38h, does the fbreader author speak english? | 21:21 |
| RST38h | tank: No idea, we communicate in Russian | 21:21 |
| RST38h | tank: But he most likely does | 21:21 |
| tank-man | i was just wondering what he would think about some ebook reader (physical reader) that i think uses his software (fbreader) but the maker doesnt acknowlede it or provide source | 21:23 |
| RST38h | tank: I think these guys know about such readers and license fbreader to them | 21:23 |
| RST38h | tank: Under a separate license | 21:23 |
| SpeedEvil | Only if fbreader is only that guys work. | 21:24 |
| RST38h | There is a group | 21:24 |
| SpeedEvil | Then it's easy for him to relicenxe to an arbitrary licence. | 21:24 |
| RST38h | And they license as a group, if I understood thinks correctly | 21:24 |
| SpeedEvil | yeah - a small group I mean | 21:24 |
| lcuk | its even possible for larger groups too SpeedEvil - its all about the contribution guidelines and stance | 21:25 |
| SpeedEvil | Of course | 21:25 |
| SpeedEvil | as long as you can contact them all, and none die. | 21:25 |
| lcuk | no, its not necessary to recontact people if the contribution/license pre said "we will release this as gpl but also offer private licenses" | 21:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | booohoohoobwaahh, I want flash17.21!1!!!111!! | 21:26 |
| SpeedEvil | lcuk: yes, of course | 21:26 |
| lcuk | making a drastic change afterwards would incur what you said | 21:26 |
| lcuk | I believe that sort of condition is put on Qt contributions | 21:27 |
| RST38h | Given what FLash does to N900 overall performance, I do not understand why anyone would be so bent on using it | 21:27 |
| javispedro | that thread is _awesome_ | 21:27 |
| lcuk | RST38h, facebook videos stopped working I believe | 21:27 |
| SpeedEvil | RST38h: Because sometimes it's the only way to content. | 21:27 |
| lcuk | luke was moaning a few weeks ago, his only "computer" for a while was an n900 | 21:27 |
| * DocScrutinizer anxiously ponders to ask which thread | 21:27 | |
| javispedro | DocScrutinizer: the flash one | 21:28 |
| javispedro | I missed it entirely =) | 21:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | I thought as much | 21:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | me as well | 21:28 |
| * RST38h starts saying something about the necessity of Facebook, suddenly feels himself an old geezer | 21:28 | |
| DocScrutinizer | probably should temporarily comment out that talk.maemo.org 127.0.0.1 line in my etc/hosts ;-P | 21:29 |
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| javispedro | DocScrutinizer: no need to. you'll just miss on tmoers calling stskeeps THE EVIL because he won't pirate software for them ;P | 21:32 |
| RST38h | javispedro: BTW, have they finally ported gbpsp or not? =) | 21:35 |
| javispedro | RST38h: I saw the code, and it ran M Kart | 21:35 |
| javispedro | RST38h: no idea why he isn't releasing it | 21:35 |
| javispedro | possibly your average newcomer "first contact" with autobuilder or sth | 21:36 |
| RST38h | javispedro: Probably went deaf from all the squeaking on tmo | 21:36 |
| RST38h | Ah yes, that too :) | 21:36 |
| javispedro | also, it does not seem to be the "performance god" it was "meant to be" . | 21:36 |
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| RST38h | javispedro: I am afraid there are no miracles | 21:37 |
| RST38h | javispedro: Or rather, most miracles are of the nasty kind, not the good one | 21:38 |
| javispedro | guess so. | 21:39 |
| javispedro | also, I guess someone might want to point Pandora guys over that TI blessed libflashplayer | 21:42 |
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| BigWookie | Okay now my system starts to die after ~30 sec | 21:42 |
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| javispedro | is flash actually accelerated on _any_ mobile platform at all? =) | 21:45 |
| javispedro | the ease by which the ipad guys ported android's libflashplayer.so to ipad ( http://github.com/comex/frash ) makes me thing it isn't. | 21:46 |
| javispedro | *think. | 21:46 |
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| javispedro | not even GL calls. | 21:46 |
| javispedro | something video specific, but afaik more output related than having to do with codecs. | 21:47 |
| nox- | i think flash is still `optimized for windows', i.e they dont care much about performance on other platforms | 21:47 |
| javispedro | basically, a big lie. and everyone believing it! | 21:47 |
| * javispedro surprises for a few microseconds then wanders off | 21:48 | |
| Corsac | javispedro: well, easy porting doesn't mean no accel at all, in any case there should be fallbacks | 21:49 |
| javispedro | "fallbacks" when android core libraries are missing? doubt it. | 21:50 |
| nox- | oh it wouldnt be _impossible_ tho, ive seen linux flash doing dlopen()s for things like libcurl too... | 21:51 |
| * javispedro notes to steal an android iphone sometime in the near future and run strings on its libflashplayer.so | 21:53 | |
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| javispedro | "Woman Travels Four Hours with Gun to Kill Mean Internet Commenter" -- take cover, those who are now in TMO's "axis of evil" list. | 21:56 |
| lcuk | javispedro, 4 hours is lightweight, how far did the astronaut woman go in nappies? | 21:57 |
| javispedro | too many? :) | 21:58 |
| lcuk | javispedro, the internet says 1000 miles | 22:00 |
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| javispedro | hah, missed that. | 22:03 |
| RST38h | javispedro: google for nasa diaper murder | 22:04 |
| Corsac | javispedro: not sure flash uses any android core lib | 22:04 |
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| javispedro | quite interesting. | 22:10 |
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| RST38h | BTW, Desktop Switcher rules, absolutely rules | 22:19 |
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| BigWookie | is there a way preventing dsme from rebooting when i start hal xD? | 22:28 |
| timeless_mbp | :) | 22:28 |
| timeless_mbp | ti gave me a license key for flash10 :) | 22:28 |
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| ZogG | MohammadAG51, hey | 22:29 |
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| RST38h | OMG | 22:29 |
| ZogG | just bought earphones =) | 22:29 |
| ZogG | 300 nis | 22:29 |
| RST38h | EHLO Zogg | 22:29 |
| ZogG | holla | 22:29 |
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| RST38h | How is suffering tonight? | 22:30 |
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| SpeedEvil | Why is TI giving out keys? | 22:31 |
| luke-jr_ | SpeedEvil: I think it's supposed to be for BeagleBoard :P | 22:32 |
| timeless_mbp | SpeedEvil: dunno | 22:32 |
| Stskeeps | nah, anything OMAP3 | 22:32 |
| Stskeeps | i wonder how many of the lemmings who might realize they can be asked to write a report on their evaluation of the software | 22:33 |
| RST38h | Stskeeps: Naah | 22:34 |
| lcuk | :( users on tmo aren't lemmings | 22:34 |
| RST38h | Stskeeps: Almost never happens (and yes, when it says "write a report" I always write a report) | 22:34 |
| timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: i don't think that will be much of a problem | 22:34 |
| lcuk | cos don't you post there regularly Stskeeps | 22:34 |
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| Stskeeps | lcuk: i'm a bear driving lemmings over the edge | 22:36 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 22:36 |
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| lcuk | wasnt it someone on tmo that told you about the Ti webpage though? | 22:36 |
| Stskeeps | heh | 22:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer | lcuk: your dad was either Dr psy, or a preacherman | 22:38 |
| lcuk | ? | 22:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | endless patience and benevolence | 22:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer | where else you got that from? | 22:40 |
| lcuk | many years of practice. | 22:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | though sons of preachers are angry guys quite frequently | 22:41 |
| lcuk | if I was following my dad I would be skiing and hang gliding and stuff | 22:41 |
| * timeless_mbp grumbles | 22:42 | |
| * timeless_mbp has to try to use nokia's travel tool | 22:42 | |
| timeless_mbp | that's never good | 22:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | travel tool??? o.O | 22:43 |
| timeless_mbp | basically a PoS | 22:43 |
| timeless_mbp | designed to drive engineers crazy | 22:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | yuck | 22:43 |
| timeless_mbp | as long as that's its job, it does it well :) | 22:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | odds are not even the product implementation specs will tell you about ther *true* reasons and intentions | 22:45 |
| lcuk | timeless_mbp, is this the expense calculator? | 22:45 |
| MohammadAG51 | heh, my dad broke his E66's screen | 22:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer | advantage MohammadAG51 | 22:46 |
| DrHalan | hey, i am looking for a syncML gui for maemo. commandline would be okay too | 22:46 |
| DrHalan | can i just install syncevolution somehow? | 22:46 |
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| MohammadAG51 | DocScrutinizer, how come? | 22:49 |
| MohammadAG51 | I'm seriously thinking of getting an iPhone 4 for him | 22:50 |
| MohammadAG51 | easy to use UI, noob friendly etc | 22:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG51: now he can't shout and go mad if ever you accidentally kill N900 :-D | 22:50 |
| MohammadAG51 | LOL | 22:51 |
| dsg | DrHalan: Yes, there is syncevolution in extras-testing (or maybe -devel, I'm not sure). I'm using it against horde. | 22:54 |
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| timeless_mbp | lcuk: it does that job badly too | 22:58 |
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| timeless_mbp | but no, it also does bookings | 22:58 |
| timeless_mbp | and tries very hard to get a bad rate on a poor selection | 22:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | hey, it probably pays back double or triple on taxes Nokia doesn't have to pay. You have to appreciate that, no? :-P | 23:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer | you know, McDon in Germany, when you buy a burger, 50% of the times they ask you "here or to take away?", the other 50% they give you a paper back for that single burger and don't ask.You never get the rationale until you understand they pay 7% VAT for takeaway food but 19% for in-house serving | 23:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | s/paper back/paper bag/ | 23:06 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer meant: you know, McDon in Germany, when you buy a burger, 50% of the times they ask you "here or to take away?", the other 50% they give you a paper bag for that single burger and don't ask.You never get the rationale until you understand they pay 7% VAT for tak... | 23:06 |
| Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: thats insane | 23:08 |
| Stskeeps | but good to know next time i'm travelling through germany | 23:08 |
| pupnik | wow | 23:08 |
| pupnik | wonder if they'll gimme 10% off for takeaway | 23:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer | pupnik: nah, they won't, they give you 8 paperbags and 50 napkin if you ask | 23:09 |
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| MohammadAG51 | last time i was in germany i had to pay for a plastic bag in a supermarket | 23:10 |
| MohammadAG51 | i was like wtf | 23:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | the cashiers are 'hardcoded', no way for credit | 23:10 |
| Stskeeps | MohammadAG51: normal in .dk too | 23:10 |
| MohammadAG51 | not normal in .il | 23:11 |
| pupnik | you're supposed to shop with your own bags | 23:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | pupnik: you however can chose from Germany-the-state or McDo to get 12% of that money you have to pay | 23:11 |
| MohammadAG51 | pupnik, i don't have any damn bags, worse part is they stuffed 6 2L bottles in one bag | 23:11 |
| pupnik | they stuffed? where do they bag for you in germany? what store? | 23:12 |
| MohammadAG51 | then 4 minutes later while i was walking to the hotel, it ripped open from the bottom | 23:12 |
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| MohammadAG51 | idk | 23:12 |
| pupnik | ok | 23:12 |
| MohammadAG51 | bad sulzangen or sth | 23:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | LOL | 23:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer | salzufflen? | 23:12 |
| MohammadAG51 | how the f is that even spelled? | 23:12 |
| MohammadAG51 | nope, no Fs in it | 23:12 |
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| lolloo | salzuhlen | 23:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | some dump I never heard of :-) | 23:13 |
| MohammadAG51 | Bad Salzungen | 23:13 |
| lcuk | timeless_mbp, travel logistics is an extremely specialist piece of software, a skilled cabbie is still more likely to get you to destination than gps alone ;) | 23:14 |
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| MohammadAG51 | DocScrutinizer, that | 23:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | quit epossible they pack your bags there XP | 23:14 |
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| MohammadAG51 | though i loved how green that town was | 23:14 |
| MohammadAG51 | it's in thuringia | 23:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | except for the "town" part that all sounds congruent | 23:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | err concludent | 23:15 |
| MohammadAG51 | you don't see a lot of green here in IL | 23:16 |
| timeless_mbp | lcuk: a was man pays for a cabbie | 23:16 |
| timeless_mbp | a fool rents a limo | 23:16 |
| timeless_mbp | lcuk: basically, i prefer groups smart enough to just allow people to use Expedia or whatever | 23:17 |
| lcuk | a was man? transgender? | 23:18 |
| MohammadAG51 | a wise man lol | 23:18 |
| timeless_mbp | s/was/wise/ :( | 23:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | lol | 23:18 |
| * lcuk giggles | 23:18 | |
| * MohammadAG51 slaps lcuk with a noobmonk... naw, he's not here | 23:18 | |
| * MohammadAG51 uses frals instead | 23:19 | |
| * b-man` watches | 23:19 | |
| * lcuk will probably get slapped by frals soon anyway | 23:19 | |
| pupnik | hehe | 23:19 |
| pupnik | why?> | 23:19 |
| MohammadAG51 | hacked fMMS to make video calls? | 23:20 |
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| lcuk | heh no | 23:20 |
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| MohammadAG51 | ate his trout? | 23:21 |
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| lcuk | but I would like to see the boundaries of MMS, frals indicated when he was writing it he was sending higher resolution photos than normal mms | 23:21 |
| pupnik | lady next door was running her horses around in circles | 23:21 |
| pupnik | wow | 23:21 |
| lcuk | i read his observation as n900 -> n900 mms may technically be Super MMS :P | 23:21 |
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| MohammadAG51 | lcuk, a large image failed to get sent here | 23:22 |
| MohammadAG51 | i think my operator checks size | 23:22 |
| lcuk | obviously it only works for cool people | 23:22 |
| MohammadAG51 | my operator's meh | 23:23 |
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| MohammadAG51 | i miss jordan's 3G | 23:23 |
| MohammadAG51 | i used to get 7.2MBps with that | 23:23 |
| MohammadAG51 | 1 here | 23:23 |
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| lcuk | MohammadAG51, http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2010-09-22.log.html#t2010-09-22T13:41:03 | 23:25 |
| BigWookie | If anyone is interrested in this http://pastebin.com/iaUedk5N - hald log ( especially line 5 ) | 23:27 |
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| juozapas | is already exist some kind adapter to connect n900 to the internet via utp cable jack? | 23:29 |
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| pupnik | what is a utp cable jack? | 23:30 |
| nox- | rj45? | 23:30 |
| juozapas | yep | 23:30 |
| juozapas | aka yes | 23:30 |
| pupnik | i used a device called a wlan router juozapas | 23:30 |
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| nox- | well if usb hostmode would work properly i guess you could use an usb nic but without that pupnik is right i guess | 23:31 |
| juozapas | pupnik: :) me too, just itresting | 23:31 |
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| nox- | (well or you could use usb notworking via a pc doing routing i guess...) | 23:32 |
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| pupnik | or tether via .. http://myn900.wordpress.com/2010/08/21/tethering-on-the-n900-part-1/ | 23:32 |
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| ProfOak_ | What are your thoughts on MeeGo? | 23:37 |
| SpeedEvil | KEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEL IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIITTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT! | 23:37 |
| SpeedEvil | Or meh. | 23:37 |
| SpeedEvil | Probably meh. | 23:37 |
| ProfOak_ | I agree | 23:38 |
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| ProfOak_ | I was kinda hoping maemo would go further than it did | 23:38 |
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| juozapas | yeah thats sad | 23:38 |
| SpeedEvil | While in principle, I can appreciate the idea of a wider based platform to do more devices, functional bits of platforms getting thrown out for no end-user benefit obsoleting devs learning is of questionable utility. | 23:39 |
| ProfOak_ | I was actually thinking about buying an N900 because I liked everything about it, but I'm still questioning meego | 23:40 |
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| juozapas | and today meego works all right on n900? i know that it isnt officialy supported | 23:41 |
| ProfOak_ | I just liked how it was linux, for real | 23:41 |
| ProfOak_ | I wasn't even going to use it as a phone | 23:42 |
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| juozapas | so you using it just for web surfing, chating, ssh'ing...? | 23:43 |
| lcuk | ProfOak_, make your decisions based on needs today | 23:43 |
| SpeedEvil | Today meego is not functional as a user platform on n900 as I understnad it. | 23:43 |
| SpeedEvil | Indeed. | 23:43 |
| SpeedEvil | Base your purchasing decision on what would happen if tomorrow a massive supervolcano took out finland, and wiped nokia off the map. | 23:43 |
| juozapas | :D | 23:44 |
| ProfOak_ | Oh man, I never thought of that! | 23:44 |
| ProfOak_ | What if an asteroid hit all satellites and rendered cellphones useless | 23:44 |
| lcuk | SpeedEvil, well I suppose if that did happen we would be in more shit. no more moomins stuff | 23:44 |
| * ProfOak_ is thinkin outside the box | 23:45 | |
| SpeedEvil | While there is /b/ there will always be #34 of moomins. | 23:45 |
| lcuk | ProfOak_, cellphones dont rely on satellite usually ;) | 23:45 |
| * ProfOak_ is thinkin too outside the box | 23:45 | |
| SpeedEvil | They do for GPS. | 23:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | today MAEMO is working 'OK' on N900 - odds are it will for another couple of months, amybe years | 23:46 |
| * lcuk wonders how to fix stylus hole | 23:47 | |
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| DocScrutinizer | IRIDIUM, Suraya | 23:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | INMARSAT | 23:49 |
| SpeedEvil | lcuk: Dremel | 23:49 |
| * DocScrutinizer wants a N900 with a IRIDIUM&Suraya piggyback | 23:49 | |
| ProfOak_ | wT | 23:49 |
| ProfOak_ | wat | 23:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | NOOOOO - please no Dremel | 23:49 |
| * ProfOak_ is confused | 23:49 | |
| lcuk | SpeedEvil, can I fit it into the hole? | 23:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | lcuk: you'll have to send it in, or disassemble by yourself | 23:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | ProfOak_: you brought up the topic of sat dependent mobile phones | 23:50 |
| lcuk | yeah I realise that, i will see what I can do this week | 23:50 |
| ProfOak_ | Yeah but I'm a noobasaurus | 23:51 |
| ProfOak_ | rex | 23:51 |
| SpeedEvil | lcuk: Of course. | 23:51 |
| SpeedEvil | lcuk: you can fit a dremel bit into any hole. | 23:52 |
| SpeedEvil | Of course, it may end up larger than it was. | 23:52 |
| lcuk | ok SpeedEvil the stylus has a lip near the sharp end | 23:52 |
| lcuk | a groove all round | 23:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes | 23:53 |
| lcuk | if I insert it into the hole, when that lip is flush with the side edge its catching the outcrop :'( | 23:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | and a plastic spring lever at bottom of the stylus hole of N900 | 23:53 |
| lcuk | ie, not very far inside | 23:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | this spring at start of hole is largely useless, just creating some friction when sliding the stylus in/out | 23:54 |
| GAN900 | They're holding the city Octoberfest in front of the halfway houses and missions. | 23:54 |
| GAN900 | Fools. | 23:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | seems yours got messed and bent/broken | 23:54 |
| lcuk | its likely said spring thats sticking out | 23:54 |
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| ProfOak_ | Can you code in Python on maemo? | 23:56 |
| secyrita1 | yep | 23:56 |
| lcuk | happily | 23:56 |
| ProfOak_ | That's pretty BA | 23:56 |
| secyrita1 | i think python is included natively | 23:56 |
| ProfOak_ | What other langs? | 23:56 |
| lcuk | badass? | 23:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | lcuk: you probably could discard that borked spring with little adverse side efects, but you need to disassemble the case to get a hold on it | 23:56 |
| ProfOak_ | Yeah, haha | 23:56 |
| secyrita1 | C c++ ruby php | 23:57 |
| ProfOak_ | bash, or perl? | 23:57 |
| lcuk | ProfOak_, theres pretty much anything required | 23:57 |
| lcuk | though I have not seen pascal compiler on maemo yet | 23:57 |
| secyrita1 | bash, for perl you need to download ext packages | 23:57 |
| lcuk | might just be because I havent looked | 23:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | WHAAAAAT? No pascal?? *SOB* | 23:57 |
| * Bash reallys hates his nick sometimes XD | 23:57 | |
| * lcuk giggles | 23:57 | |
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| secyrita1 | bash: :D | 23:58 |
| ProfOak_ | hah | 23:58 |
| nox- | haha | 23:58 |
| lcuk | bsh_nohighlight, have you added bash as a keyword trigger though? | 23:58 |
| bsh_nohighlight | yea | 23:58 |
| bsh_nohighlight | cba to change it lol | 23:58 |
| bsh_nohighlight | people call me bash irl more than my name | 23:59 |
| lcuk | "oi, ill bash you" | 23:59 |
| bsh_nohighlight | my names hard to pronouce for some | 23:59 |
| bsh_nohighlight | Mobashir | 23:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | hah | 23:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | Mo was unexpected | 23:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | thought Bashir | 23:59 |
| bsh_nohighlight | lol | 23:59 |
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