IRC log of #maemo for Wednesday, 2010-10-06

septiqimage labelled "Latest Maemo 5 Global release for Nokia N900"00:00
LJrN900DocScrutinizer, kernel w/ useful initramfs00:00
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DocScrutinizerLJrN900: wiki with useful info00:03
timeless_mbpseptiq: sounds right..00:03
septiqthanks timeless_mbp00:03
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DocScrutinizerLJrN900: sentence w/o prpr grmmr00:04
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LJrN900DocScrutinizer, does not exist00:11
DocScrutinizermaybe in Logan Iowa it doesn't00:11
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DocScrutinizersorry, but your first posting here, which was ~20min back, clearly was the most precise and helpful. Actually my brain (only got one) deels like drained from trying to make sense of the other 3..400:15
infobotDocScrutinizer meant: sorry, but your first posting here, which was ~20min back, clearly was the most precise and helpful. Actually my brain (only got one) feels like drained from trying to make sense of the other 3..400:15
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LJrN900DocScrutinizer, blame N900 crap kb00:18
DocScrutinizertalk like frog00:19
DocScrutinizereat apple soap00:19
DocScrutinizerfoo bar doodle00:19
kerio"ass rage" still makes me chuckle00:21
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Corsachmhm, did someone play a little with python-champlain?00:22
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crashanddiesometimes I wonder if Quim these days is a marketing guy or a community guy...01:28
lpottercommunity is a type of marketing01:28
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crashanddieindeed, but "Hear the MeeGo drums"-type-of-bullshit is starting to make me want to ignore him more and more01:29
crashanddieanyway, out for the night, have a good one #maemo01:30
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evilrobit was funny...  yesterday when I got home from work and ate dinner (maybe 2hrs after I was looking for help with mappero) I started googling for how to do what I wanted.  oddly enough, the second hit was the irc log of me asking the question on this channel  :)01:34
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teilzeitstudentIs there a way to make the phone window not switch to the list of active windows when moving it away from your ear? Makes hanging up a call kinda annoying.01:36
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teilzeitstudentIf thats the default behaviour anyway.. probably installed a bit too much extra stuff.01:36
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evilrobteilzeitstudent: when I'm on the phone and I move it away from my face, it goes back to the phone app.01:40
evilrobmaybe you're touching the app corner of the screen with your face?01:40
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teilzeitstudentevilrob, nope.. happens every time. but thanks, i'll check some apps then01:47
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septiqHi, always get same error while flashing02:59
septiqSending and flashing rootfs image (173568 kB)...02:59
septiq  1% (2688 of 173568 kB, 373 kB/s))02:59
septiqWrite failed after 2752512 bytes02:59
septiqusb_bulk_write: Operation timed out02:59
septiqany idea ?03:02
FauxFauxTry flashing from a different host. ;)03:02
septiqFauxFaux: i'm flashing from OSX, i can try using XP under VMware...03:03
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TermanaN900good morning03:05
FauxFauxDon't you have a real computer?03:05
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septiqactually i'm flashing because BackupMenu restauration bricked my device, then i managed to repair the device on this host by flashing, miserly i retried another BackupMenu restauration and finally after 10 tries i can't re-flash :(03:06
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septiqFauxFaux: i also have another MBP03:06
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sevardalright.  i'm fed up.  figured I should ask in chan.  without sip+h323 is there ANY way one can video chat from an n810 to some boyd using a pc?03:09
sevardi looked in the forums... suggestions are bleek03:09
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sevardmy pc died yesterday and i'll take a week to get my psu special ordered.  my birthday is thursday and i've yet to miss a video chat with grandma ;/03:10
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septiqFauxFaux: same issue with another laptop03:15
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septiqi can't flash more than 2752512 bytes03:16
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septiqsevard: is skype an option for you ?03:17
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sevardseptiq: it is.  but the n810's skype client dosn't support video chat03:17
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sevardgoogle video chat doesn't work either03:18
septiqFauxFaux: it seems the flashing host is not the issue, my n900 doesn't accept more than 2752512 bytes03:18
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septiqwhere can i get rootfs JFFS2 image03:21
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nox-are you using an usb hub?03:22
septiqnox-: no just the nokia cable03:23
septiqnox-: i can try with a 2nd one anyway03:23
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sevardseptiq: any other ideas? not sure why you mentioned skype.03:25
septiqnox-: same issue at the same time (2752512 bytes)03:27
septiqnow i will try to unpack the rootfs from the fiasco03:27
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septiqWrite failed after 655360 bytes03:32
septiqusb_bulk_write: Undefined error: 003:32
sevardor not.03:33
septiqsevard: sorry no idea, i even don't know what n810 is03:34
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septiqor simply go to a cybercafé to talk with your family03:35
sevardthe n810 came out before the n900...03:37
septiqi also got the exact same issue with PR1.103:39
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septiqand PR1.0 :(03:43
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septiqand of course Nokia Software Updater win't help04:03
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septiqIf no more propositions to recover my bricked n900 i will eventually go to sleep ...04:05
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septiqThanks good night all04:08
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trembywhere can i find the source code of rtcom-messaging-ui?04:21
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pupnikour societies are becoming north korea05:14
pupnikwe are the front against evil05:15
sevardour societies are north korea.05:15
fredrinpupnik, no more fat people?05:15
luke-jr_all your base are belong to me05:15
pupnikopen source05:15
pupnikversyus tyranny05:15
pupnikanybody pro-tyranny will be banned from maemo05:15
sevardn810 and ekiga video chat.  tablet to pc.  anyone have any luck?05:15
pupniki mean it05:16
sevardi'm pro t-rex.05:16
luke-jr_pupnik: so ban me05:16
fredrinsevard, i had luck with video chat with both skype and gtalk05:16
pupnikluke-jr_: you were pretty good earlier05:16
sevardfredrin: n810 skype client doesn't support video...05:16
fredrinah, n810 i never had05:17
fredrinonly my sweet n90005:17
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rokr1hi guys05:17
fredrinwhere in the world are people on #maemo?05:17
sevardwhenever I ask a question in here I explicitly state the platform but nobody reads it :)05:17
* fredrin norway -> oslo 05:17
rokr1i have problem in my N90005:18
pupnikmaemo is the original05:18
pupnikrokr1: is nobody05:18
pupniksevard: is nobody05:18
fredrinrokr1, wat is problem?05:18
pupnikfredrin: is nobody05:18
pupnikluke-jr_: is somebody05:18
sevardim somebody, jesus.05:18
pupnikyou are?05:18
sevardi'm jesus05:18
pupniksevard: what did you do05:19
rokr1when i plug in the power cable the orange led blinks for few minutes and the there is no notification05:19
sevardperformed acts of god05:19
rokr1but the phone charges05:19
pupnik /kick sevard05:19
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fredrinsevard, gif vine05:19
sevardfredrin: jpg beer05:19
rokr1but usually it works great before the update to PR1.205:19
fredrinrokr1, good that it charges though05:20
fredrinso no broken usb port05:20
rokr1there is no orange blinking light that worries me05:20
rokr1is it normal05:20
fredrini think mine blinkes and goes green when it's full05:21
opdf2rokr1:  happens all the time or just now?05:22
rokr1all the times05:22
rokr1i have installed a lot of apps05:22
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rokr1open ssh, ftp server, asterisk etc05:23
opdf2did you modify led patterns?05:23
rokr1just the normal notification light05:23
rokr1that usually gets lit up white light05:23
opdf2I'm not sure. When that happens to me I just restart mce and its fine05:24
opdf2root, then "initctl stop mce; sleep 2; initctl start mce"05:24
rokr1device on light and instant message and other notification light is not checked05:24
rokr1lshal show low amp in the battery05:27
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rokr1battery design supports 1258 and i have 1172 when fully charged and i even boosted the battery05:28
rokr1nothing helps05:28
rokr1do u think its a battery prob05:28
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rokr1because i just replaced the battery05:29
rokr1old battery bulged a bit lol05:29
fredrinwhat good is asterisk for on the n900? +05:30
fredrinwhat do people us it for?05:30
rokr1just a VoIP server in hand is cool05:31
lcukdoesn't he protect his village from the Romans?05:31
rokr1opdf2 what does mce stand for05:31
rokr1just curious05:31
lcukrokr1, batteries bulging?05:32
sevardit stands for ospf05:32
rokr1the stock battery i just replaced it with the new one from nokia05:33
lcuksevard, only video to video call I did was n810 to n81005:33
sevardlcuk: :/ that is useless to me05:33
sevardthe forums are baren aswell05:33
lcukrokr1, environmental conditions?05:33
sevardnobody seems to have come up with a fesible solution05:34
fredrinrokr1, but what do you use it for daily?05:34
lcuksevard, :) just trying to give a datapoint05:34
sevardlcuk: what is the  codec?05:34
lcukand I didn't think useless since I actually read what you asked05:34
rokr1thanks man that really helped fredrin05:34
lcukIDK because I am not a video codec engineer05:34
sevardlcuk: =1 for you :D05:34
sevard+zq even05:35
fredrinrokr1, i helped?05:35
sevardgdhwikshnjk keyboard05:35
lcukbut happily, I know someone who might be, can you ping me and remind tomorrow if you havent found out05:35
sevardlcuk: ya :D my bat is dying now05:35
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rokr1wats the default value for the patternbatterycharging ??05:38
rokr1in mce.ini fred05:38
rokr1the blue light lits up if there are some missed call etc05:40
rokr1but only the notification light for charging05:41
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fredrinjeje, nait people05:43
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rokr1lcuk i am sorry i did not saw ur questions,05:53
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rokr1i use the phone a lot to login to my router and monitor it05:53
rokr1just for fun05:53
rokr1through ssh05:53
rokr1over wifi a lot05:53
rokr1i keep wifi at TX power at 10mw05:54
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rokr1anyone here who uses mugen battery ...?06:00
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babsher^^what is that06:05
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GAN900rokr1, you know that actually has the potential to waste more power, right?06:09
GAN900rokr1, since the transmission time is actually a very small percentage of the total power usage of the WiFi chipset.06:10
GAN900rokr1, so setting it lower doesn't actually save power.06:11
GAN900If retranmission needs to happen (as it likely will with such low radio power) you'll use more power.06:12
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rokr1i understand what u r telling me GAN90006:27
rokr1i am almost close to the router so no point of retransmission and there is less interference because there are almost no wifi AP around06:31
rokr1technically there is less frame drops06:32
rokr1and i use best firmware for my router (Tomato)....06:32
rokr1stock firmware's suck06:32
luke-jr_as if Tomato is better than OpenWrt06:32
rokr1i can prove it06:33
rokr1okie openWRT fan06:35
rokr1its N900 IRC room06:35
rokr1so no alternate firmware ICBM over here06:36
rokr1to fight with06:36
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mie_modehello all06:39
rokr1hello to u too06:40
mie_modesomeone connected to irc with n900? :)06:52
rokr1y ?06:52
mie_modeI am :P06:53
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rokr1great now type u text in the small tingy wingy keyboard06:53
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rokr1great now type ur text in the small tingy wingy keyboard06:54
mie_modeIt's no problem to me :P06:54
rokr1:P :P :P06:54
mie_modeI have a more practice :)06:54
rokr1that was late06:54
rokr1so wat brings u here ??06:55
mie_modenothing, i dont think about maemo channel :P06:56
mie_modeI looking for some channels and find this one06:56
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CreamyGhaha cool, how do you use irc on maemo anyways?06:57
mie_modeso... there a two options06:57
CreamyGi mean it's not built in is it?06:58
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mie_mode1st option - irssi installed on debian06:58
mie_mode2nd - xchat installed with app menager06:59
CreamyGeasy debian, or u mean recompiled from debian06:59
CreamyGi see06:59
rokr1lift me up ... let me go ooh06:59
CreamyGis it easy to use either one, or hard? some apps i find hard to use because they are not designed for touch interface07:00
rokr1every thing easy07:00
mie_modethe easyest way is xchat07:00
mie_modeyes, every07:00
CreamyGcool, yeah if its in the repositories i'll have to try that. will the freenode servers work without IDENT or whatever? i noticed they don't let my desktop connect all the time, it takes many retries07:01
CreamyGbut i think the ident is working...07:01
mie_modeI prefere skype included to maemo, works great07:01
mie_modexchat is stable one and work good on n90007:02
CreamyGyeah i laughed when i saw android got skype yesterday07:02
CreamyGalthough maybe theirs is better07:02
CreamyGwe still had it for the whole time07:02
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rokr1bye bye07:07
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mie_modeskype in n900 working perfect07:08
mie_modei use it with cam, its great07:09
mie_modeok, time for me, bye everyone...07:09
mie_modei will be back soon i think :)07:09
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slonopotamuswtf is with planet maemo? last week we had chinese post, now spanish (portugese?) one...07:13
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slonopotamusoh, even two of them07:14
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bef0rdthat's portuguese yea07:15
slonopotamusdo you really think any considerable amount of maemo users knows these exotic languages?07:19
CreamyGi never even heard of planet maemo07:21
bef0rdprobably no, there should be an additional tag required like maemo+english, I can understand it though :P the Ubuntu and gnome planet have the same problems, some people keep asking to bloggers to remove non-english and non-ubuntu related posts, but they claim the planet is about the people working on Ubuntu, not ubuntu directly, or something like that.07:22
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slonopotamusbef0rd: well, being slightly offtopic is okay, but portugese???07:25
slonopotamusand that chinese post was removed. no idea what it was talking about07:27
CreamyGanyone know the proper name for the cell radio signal strength?07:28
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CreamyGor at least a suggestion that isn't bad07:28
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slonopotamusnext post should either be in klingon or higher elven07:31
CreamyGlike should i call it GSM_radio_dBm or ??07:31
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CreamyGyeah well i'm asking if the protocol is always gsm on the n900 or i should call it "Cell" or something else if it isn't07:34
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CreamyGi dont' like writing code that makes me look stupid :P07:34
bef0rdGSM  when working on 2G and UMTS for 3G I belive07:34
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CreamyGyeah i was afraid of something like that... okay, cell radio it is!07:36
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luke-jr_bef0rd: GSM/GPRS for 2G, or WCDMA/UMTS for 3G07:43
CreamyGyeah i needed something generic to refer to both, but not so generic as to be confused with wifi radio...07:46
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luke-jr_CreamyG: what's the difference? ;)08:02
luke-jr_closed-source radio08:06
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Gizmokid2005hahah, just read a bash post with RST38h and lcuk in it...
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CreamyGlol that bash quote is funny, i've seen it before too09:01
CreamyGthose bastards never update hardly anymore09:02
CreamyGeither that or there is nobody funny on irc anymore09:02
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mecehmm "It's not just you! looks down from here." and "It's not just you! looks down from here."09:07
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merlin1991CreamyG, 20774 quotes approved; 6081 quotes pending09:07
merlin1991yeah both are down apparently09:08
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meceoo, now I get a database error! Intriguing!09:08
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CreamyGjust kidding09:13
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meceI've never really bothered with syncing stuff here and there but I was wondering, do we have SyncML support on N900?09:27
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CreamyGwell i'm sure there is but i would be surprised if it works 100%09:29
CreamyGthis phone constantly un-merges contacts on me and every sync app i've used has some missing features09:30
meceCreamyG, does the unmerging have to do with syncing somehow? Mine has never unmerged anything09:31
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meceI would like to sync calendars somewhere.09:32
CreamyGprobably, i dunno. it seems to split off duplicate facebook or msn ones for no reason09:33
CreamyGthe calendar syncs fine with google and you can sync outlook to google09:33
CreamyGi think i just used the exchange protocol and i cant enable contacts or tasks or something. i disabled them anyways.09:34
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CreamyGgod this code sucks, it's as if they removed the comments before making it "open source"09:44
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CreamyGits not nokia it's source for something else...09:48
CreamyGi made tea like 2 hours ago, crap... 1am...09:48
CreamyGbetter drink it anyways09:48
CreamyGat least it's extra strong from steeping for 2 hrs09:51
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ieatlintmm, tea10:02
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FIQ|n900Noes, missing man page for vi10:14
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* FIQ|n900 google10:14
meceWhat version of qt mobility do we have on N900 right now?10:14
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jpinx-eeepcFIQ|n900: no man in the n900 :(10:19
FIQ|n900sudo apt-get install man10:19
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* RST38h moos10:27
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johnxRST38h, m00f10:28
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* johnx takes a break from other projects, makes himself a proper X Terminal10:29
RST38hNot proper unless it has SUN label =)10:30
* johnx sighs about SUN, starts thinking about SGI10:30
johnxI have an O2 somewhere ...10:30
RST38hyes but can you stand Irix?10:31
johnxI think I put Linux on it or netbsd or something10:31
johnxbeen 10 years or so10:31
johnxI remember getting around the root password, logging in and finding ancient stuff10:32
johnxmy first reaction was to figure out how to do a network update after which I discovered they wanted like a couple thousand a year for a support contract or something10:32
RST38hYou update by stealing an ancient tape from somewhere (usually a university)10:35
johnxI was in high school at the time. I didn't really have connections :)10:36
RST38hTake a shovel, you may have to dig.10:36
johnxso it's still sitting around somewhere10:36
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dakillahey guys10:38
dakillai gotta question10:38
dakillai overclocked the n90010:38
dakillaset the min value to 125 and max to 90010:38
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dakillaand whenever it idles it never hits 12510:39
dakillait stays at 25010:39
dakillaim not sure if i missed something10:39
xkr47using the ondemand ?10:39
dakillaim using titans10:39
dakillakernel thing10:39
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CreamyGit resets when you receive a call or something i think10:41
CreamyGu can disable 250 instead10:42
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CreamyGi don't remember10:42
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johnxare people actually seeing better battery life with 125 vs 250?10:42
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dakillaya its suppose to be10:43
johnxsomeone would have to do a fairly impressive study to convince me :)10:44
RST38hpeople are not doing studies any more10:44
RST38hit is more like "I installed it and it feels much much better, it is great!"10:44
johnxdakilla, just so you know, when it's *actually* idle, it just shuts off the clock entirely and sleeps until the next timer expires10:44
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dakillaso it will never show10:45
johnxerr, that's not what I'm saying at all10:45
johnx250 or 125 or whatever is the lowest *running* speed for the CPU10:46
johnxwhen it really has nothing to do, it goes to a couple *lower* power states10:46
* RST38h lazily reading the armchair strategists of tmo discussing how THEY would divide top management posts at Nokia10:46
johnxRST38h, ooh! is it like fantasy football/baseball/whateverball?10:46
johnxthat's *awesome.* I would totally play10:46
RST38hjohnx: Yes, but with even less obligation =)10:47
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johnxwe need a bookie :>10:47
RST38hwe need a death pool10:47
CreamyGyeah mine has 125 and 250 as avoid-frequencies10:48
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johnxinstalling debian to a flash drive over USB1 is painful10:49
dakillai only hav 125 as avoid10:49
dakillahow do i get rid of that10:49
lindi-johnx: debootstrap?10:49
johnxlindi-, that might have been the better idea. already halfway through, so I'll just leave it overnight10:51
lcukmorning \o10:52
johnxallo lcuk10:53
lcukhey johnx - yes I pinged you the other night10:53
lcukdid you cure your stylusism10:53
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johnxnah. looks like I'd need to take the whole thing apart10:54
johnxnot really excited about that thought10:54
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lcukcos my device is in similar situation10:54
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johnxmust be spreading10:54
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lcukyup, its got some shard10:54
crashanddiehey, look at that, xchat is getting smart10:55
crashanddieit gave johnx a pink nickname :)10:55
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johnxhar har har10:56
lcukcrashanddie, thats because you have "bummer" as a keyword10:56
crashanddieI misread that as "keyboard". My hands felt dirty.10:56
* johnx is obviously missing the unamericun slang ...10:57
crashanddiejohnx, what's a bum?10:57
FIQ|n900crashanddie: you know the fact that you is pink too? :D10:58
FIQ|n900same as lcuk10:58
crashanddieoh well, settled then. X-chat is going bezerk all over the place. We must file a bug.10:58
johnxcrashanddie, depends on the context10:58
crashanddiein this case, it meant ass, and bummer, being someone who enjoys sodomy10:59
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crashanddie(more giving than receiving, AFAIK)10:59
crashanddieman, imagine than almost a year ago I was being anal (no pun intended) about keeping this channel family friendly...11:00
johnxcrashanddie, I was using it in the california surfer slang sense of 'that's unfortunate'11:00
johnxbut(t) whatever floats your boat11:00
RST38hcrashanddie: rejoice, you are still being anal11:02
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RST38hcrashanddie: just stopped pretending you were doing it for a greater good =)11:02
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crashanddiewell, I still do things for the channel...11:03
crashanddieAnd I stopped frantically kicking.11:03
RST38hSign of age, indeed11:03
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meceHello, does Qt4.7 include QtMobility1.1 with maps and navigation api?11:25
meceoops, this is not #qt11:25
mecewell. perhaps someone here would know the answer anyway11:25
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crashanddieI can't believe that Windows 7 still has mouse-freezes when using the HD...11:55
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RST38hRather, "has them again"11:56
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crashanddieindeed, XP hardly had any...11:56
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lcukcrashanddie, sounds like something else is up11:56
* RST38h waits as IE freezes his system11:56
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lcuklukes win 7 device is happily coping11:57
crashanddielcuk, also, the Intel driver for my ethernet card makes my system BSOD...11:57
lcukramshackle system or purchased specifically with win7 preinstalled?11:57
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crashanddieDell professional11:58
lcukmaybe its time to close down your pron windows :P11:58
crashanddienha, has nothing to do with it... If the network card has a boost a bit too big (for example, I launch an SCP copy), bam, BSOD11:58
crashanddieEven sometimes when just loading random files off the web11:59
crashanddie(like jpeg or whatnot)11:59
crashanddieAnd now it refuses to connect to a bloody network printer that my mac handles no problem...11:59
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lcukwhen I was setting up his computer, all he could say was "bamaym facebook" in som silly accent12:00
lcukhe got a little excited lol12:00
crashanddie"his"? "he"?12:00
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lcukcrashanddie, luke, new computer12:03
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lcuk20" multitouch all in one, runs win7, has freeview tv with tivo type recording12:04
lcukand parental controls :D12:04
luke-jr_WTF WAS THAT NOKIA⁈⁈12:04
* luke-jr_ is pissed a bit.12:04
luke-jr_is there a *reliable* alarm app for Maemo 5?12:05
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luke-jr_rather than one that just waits until I wake it up before alarming12:05
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crashanddieluke-jr_, never had problems with the alarm12:07
luke-jr_lcuk: sorry, but when Nokia's retardery makes me 2 hours late for taking an antibiotic and feeding my newborn who's having trouble gaining weight, I'm going to be very pissed…12:07
crashanddieno, you're fucking retarded if you blame Nokia for your abysmal parental skills12:07
kerioyour newborn doesn't cry (waking you up) if he's hungry?12:07
kerio>implying parental skills means having a perfect internal alarm clock12:08
luke-jr_kerio: not always12:08
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luke-jr_crashanddie: you obviously have no clue what parenting skills entail12:09
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luke-jr_good luck waking up every 2-3 hours without an alarm12:09
crashanddiesays the guy who relies on a phone (without testing it first) to feed his kid.12:09
luke-jr_N900 isn't supposed to be a phone. furthermore, a phone probably would have worked12:10
RST38hluke-jr: A simple digital clock costs around $5 at your local analogy of Walmart12:10
crashanddieheck, I've got the n900, blackberry and laptop with different alarms going off just for work12:10
luke-jr_finally, I've been using it fine for nearly a week at least12:10
RST38hAnd yes, it has an alarm that will work on time12:10
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lcukluke-jr_, serious now, if there is a reproducable bug which others seem to not have then record it and show us12:14
lcukperhaps its something else on your device because many people use and rely on alarm clock on n900 (myself included)12:15
crashanddie"Moan moan moan, you really think I have time for reporting bugs while my newborn is hungry??? Moan moan moan" "Nope, but you sure have the time to rant about it on IRC"12:15
RST38hlcuk: People still report Maemo5 bugs?12:16
johnxlcuk, it fails for me every couple months12:16
johnxusually seems related to general system 'weirdness' that coincides with long uptimes12:16
johnxcan't reproduce it reliably12:16
lcukRST38h, read what I said more carefully12:17
lcukstrangest alarm issue I have is with one device:12:17
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crashanddie"In the Philippines, a land of passionate singers, taking on the national anthem is about to get a little more daunting -- get it wrong and you could land in jail for a couple of years and be fined more than $2,000."12:30
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mececrashanddie, ouch!12:32
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mecepretty sweet with 2.6.35 on meego. At least the kernel is up to date :)13:11
Stskeepsand actively upstreaming stuff13:12
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meceI guess it's not possible to launch meego from mmc without a pc atm?13:13
Stskeepsnot atm13:14
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pupnik  [ Our Wise Overlords Are Just Here to Serve Us | Thomas E. Woods. Jr. ]14:17
n900-spacedoes anyone know how can i paste anything on the madde console ?14:18
n900-spaceanyone ?14:18
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n900-spacedoes anyone know how can i paste anything on the madde console ?14:24
pupniksomebody knows14:24
n900-spaceplz tell :)14:25
n900-spacewhere is that somebody14:25
* n900-space calls out somebody !!14:25
airsomebody died a while back14:25
timeless_mbpn900-space:  asking repeatedly w/in a short interval will not make you friends14:25
n900-spacei'm looking for answers not friends :)14:26
n900-spacepeople dont become my friend anyway ..14:26
n900-spacebut i'm not bad to anyone .. so its ok ..14:26
airwhat is madde?14:26
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pupnikmiddle mouse button n900-space14:27
pupniktry that14:27
timeless_mbppatience luke14:27
n900-spaceyou gave the idea pupnik14:29
n900-spacefor my laptop, shift+left click is working14:29
n900-spacethanks :)14:29
pupnikcool! :)14:29
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steinexjust a dumb question: can't i set a status preset including a message?14:38
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mecefuckin centos! Gaah!14:39
pupnikmece what's a reason to use centos?14:41
RST38hhe likes pain?14:43
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mecepupnik, well I got this server for a project and it was required to use centos.14:45
mecepupnik, it's fine, but it uses python2.4 system wide, and you can't yum yourself python2.514:45
meceso I have to install from source with altinstall. Which is annoying.14:45
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ieatlintfuck taxes14:46
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xDaReaperxcan someone look into my issue :
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crashanddie"Everything that the staff has suggested" LOL15:25
crashanddieHey guys, people in #maemo are "staff" :) W00t15:25
crashanddieGAN900, I want an update to my IRC cloak. i want /maemo/staff/15:26
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ieatlintxDaReaperx: so if manually setting your ip works, then it's not an authentication issue..15:31
ieatlinti would suggest connecting to one of the networks and running udhcp on the command line and seeing what it says15:31
GAN900crashanddie, everybody except you.15:31
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ieatlintprobably do it with a manual ip setting so that maemo doesn't try and run dhcp for you15:31
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crashanddieGAN900, nooooooooooooo :(15:31
ieatlintshould give you a little more info about the issue15:32
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lcukieatlint, you say running "udhcp" what should it show15:36
lcukcos I get udhcp not found15:37
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luke-jr_lcuk: record what? with what?15:45
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DocScrutinizerIroN900:~# id15:45
DocScrutinizeruid=0(root) gid=0(root)15:45
DocScrutinizerIroN900:~# udhcpc --help15:45
DocScrutinizerudhcpc: unrecognized option `--help'15:45
DocScrutinizerlcuk: c for 'client'15:46
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mgedminConnectNow kinda rules15:46
mgedminthe only thing I'm missing is a "connect to any" button15:46
lcukmgedmin, reconnect to specified ap?15:47
lcukthe widget you mentioned?15:47
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mgedminnow I have to have a separate widget for every network name15:47
* luke-jr_ wonders if the alarm failure depends on Offline Mode15:47
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lcukmgedmin, :) sweet15:48
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ieatlintlcuk: err, udhcpc15:51
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DocScrutinizerc for 'c'lient15:51
DocScrutinizer>tab> cmdname completion is really helping ;-)15:52
lcukieatlint, :) indeed DocScrutinizer showed15:52
lcukit doesnt matter anyway, the guy left15:53
DocScrutinizeras is having decent manpages, just sometimes15:53
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lcukDocScrutinizer, it wasnt the manpage i was just curious what output is expected15:54
lcukNokia-N900:~# udhcpc15:54
lcukudhcpc (v0.9.9-pre) started15:54
lcukSIOCGIFINDEX failed!: No such device15:54
DocScrutinizerthough 'apropos dhcp' not really helped to find udhcpc, on N900 :-/15:54
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DocScrutinizer~lart pre-install docpurge15:55
* infobot slaps pre-install docpurge upside the head with a wet fish15:55
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DocScrutinizerWHERE ARE THE *-doc PKGS?? ³²¶ŋłŋ€@@!!1?#!!***###15:57
lcukwhy shout15:57
lcukcant you just run it yourself and lets see the comparison :P15:57
DocScrutinizerbecause that's PISSING me15:57
lcuki am curious because I have manual ips15:57
mgedminit would be nice if maemo/meego shipped dman, which downloads man pages from the internet and displays them in all your 80x24 tty glory15:58
DocScrutinizerlcuk: a proper repo setup would split every package into a basic install, a *-doc, and a *-debug15:58
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* mgedmin is speaking about, which is hard to google15:58
keriohuh? you mean a *-dev15:58
mgedminor -dbgsym?15:59
lcuki just type "man xyz" into google normally :S15:59
DocScrutinizermeh, *-dev as well, yes15:59
lcukbut thats not going to tell me what the expected output from n900 is15:59
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lcuki gave one snapshot from manual ip input, can someone do it for dynamic :P15:59
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DocScrutinizerlcuk: I'm not inclined to try and access google to get a manpage about udhcpc (go figure!)16:01
lcuki am not asking you to16:02
lcukjust run the damn command and paste what it says16:02
DocScrutinizersorry, not now16:02
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mgedminlcuk, "SIOCGIFINDEX failed!: No such device" when run as root16:04
mgedmin"socket failed!: Operation not permitted" when run as user16:04
DocScrutinizerbtw I'm not suggesting you asked me to go google man pages, I asked *you* to try and do that when your udhcpc is not working - get it?16:05
lcukhmm mgedmin16:05
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mgedmin'sudo udhcpc wlan0' -> SIOCGIFINDEX failed, too16:06
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DocScrutinizergoogle - without dhcp - without working internet connection... hope it's clear now where I'm coming from16:06
mgedmin'sudo udhcpc -i wlan0' -> doing stuff16:06
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MohammadAG51DocScrutinizer, that's what windows does when the wlan driver isn't working, "Go online to find a solution?"16:08
DocScrutinizerlcuk: there's a reason for some special man pages even being *printed* in the apendix of decent unix admin books16:08
ieatlintlcuk: ah, sorry, distracted :P16:08
lcukDocScrutinizer, indeed but in this case its not that bad16:09
DocScrutinizerlcuk: if you're on a recovery shell on a borked system with a fs that needs fsck run to mount, you'll be happy about printed version of man fsck. Same holds true for ~50 manpages related to connectivity, which you want to access locally without internet connection16:10
DocScrutinizerone of them being man udhcpc16:11
DocScrutinizermaemo (and OE based) repos are brainfsckd to not even offer *optional* doc packages for any of the apps/tools16:13
DocScrutinizerI really hope meego laptop UX users won't let meego devels get away with same nonsense for meego16:14
lcukmgedmin, if I run that command on a network with dhcp will it show things16:16
lcukbecause on mine it just sits idle16:16
DocScrutinizerbasically it should be mandatory for every pkg to have a "IF pkg-installed(mandb) THEN install-pkg(${ME}-doc)" in postinstall script16:17
mgedminlcuk, yes, it did show a lot of very interesting things, but I summarized that as "doing stuff" because I'm lazy16:18
lcukDocScrutinizer, :) simpler would be to make the main package simply depend upon the related -doc16:19
lcukrather than an explicit postinst postrm hack16:19
mgedmindistros like Debian would not look kindly at a proposition to invent 20,000 new tiny packages containing one or two man pages each16:19
lcuknot at all16:19
DocScrutinizererr, uhuh. So how'd you handle the case a system doesn't even have the storage for the manpages then?16:19
lcukdidnt somebody hack man16:20
lcukto be back available16:20
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DocScrutinizermgedmin: of course the better way would be to include the manpages to the main pkg and then do docpurge or a similar action during INSTALL time, depending on what's found on the target system16:21
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DocScrutinizerbut anticipating objections from the "we don't need that" fraction about download data volume during install, I wasn't going to suggest that as the only viable way16:23
DocScrutinizerfor sure there are several ways to kill a cat16:23
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DocScrutinizernot providing ANY manpages isn't one of them16:23
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mgedmincurse xchat's ctrl-w handling16:27
mgedmininfobot, ^16:27
infoboti heard ^ is the XK-Operator. Don't try to understand it, or the XOR operator, or beginning of line in regex, or the 'search files in this dir for the following regexp' operator in zsh16:27
DocScrutinizerlcuk: what you're talking bout? mandb-n900 ?16:27
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mgedminexpected behaviour: deletes word to the left of the cursor.  actual behaviour: leaves the channel16:29
DocScrutinizer~curse mgedmin for not using xchat's keymapping config properly16:29
infobotMay the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, mgedmin for not using xchat's keymapping config properly !16:29
pupnikctrl-u clears the input if you mistype a password16:29
* crashanddie calls IT to install yet another UML app16:29
DocScrutinizermgedmin: that's not a shell, that's xchat with a standard textinput field. Use standard lineedit features for it, like e.g shift-ctrl-left to highlight (multiple) word(s), then delete (BS) or copy (ctl-C) or cut (ctl-X) the highlighted text16:32
* mgedmin thanks DocScrutinizer for his infinite wisdom16:32
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* DocScrutinizer takes mgedmin for hos infintely kind sarcasm, takes it and dumps it to the junk16:33
* mgedmin is hurt that DocScrutinizer assumed sarcasm16:33
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ieatlintsuch hatred and anger in here16:34
crashanddieieatlint, indeed, maybe you should leave, you loving teddybear.16:35
crashanddieSomehow, using "loving teddybear" seems a billion times more wrong than "you bastard".16:35
ieatlintbeing called a bear means something very specific here, and i'm afraid i don't fit the description16:35
crashanddieieatlint, IRC has no concept of "here" :P16:35
ieatlinthehe, true16:36
ieatlintbut where i a physically am16:36
ieatlint for more info :P16:36
crashanddieunless by "here" you mean IRC, and are afraid that RevdKathy is going to kidnap you16:36
GAN900crashanddie, SF. :P16:36
DocScrutinizerc'mon, whining about a Qt/GTK text input field not supporting a shell hotkey - that's usually provoking much harsher reactions. Wasn't my answer kind, polite, and helpful?16:36
* RST38h yawns. Ok, so, who is practicing sarcasm here?16:36
crashanddieGAN900, oh, right. Sorry ieatlint.16:36
ieatlintcrashanddie: if you're ever in sf, i'll buy you a beer at an awesome trucker-themed bear bar16:39
ieatlinti'm told they have decent burgers too16:39
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crashanddieieatlint, I spent quite a bit of time south of SF16:42
DocScrutinizerRST38h: why? infringing your monopoly? :-P16:42
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crashanddieieatlint, closer to mountain view/san jose16:43
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ieatlintah, the land of suburbia and strip malls16:43
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lardmanGAN900: so, you going to Ireland? My meeting has been moved so I should be able to make it16:45
ieatlinthopefully you were exposed to the good local beer while out here then16:45
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ichinixHello all16:46
mgedminDocScrutinizer, does xchat-gnome also use those?16:46
mgedminthere's this Gtk+ feature where I can change menu shortcuts if I enable an option in gconf16:46
DocScrutinizerdunno, no gnome here, but I'd bet on 'yes'16:46
mgedminI've done that and remapped "Close window" to Alt+Ctrl+W16:46
DocScrutinizerthough, given the g* word, I refrain from any betting16:47
mgedmincombined with another hidden conf option to change my key theme to 'emacs', I usually get ctrl-w = delete word in all gtk+ input boxes16:47
mgedminand this used to work in xchat16:47
mgedminbut I think I decided to wean myself of the habit and didn't change my keybindings theme in this reinstall16:47
ieatlintctrl+w is not really an emacs specific command :P16:47
ichinixI have a lil issue with my Nokia n900, could anyone please help me for a sec ?16:48
ieatlintit works with any app that uses readline, along with many other programs16:48
infobotQuestions in the channel should be specific, informative, complete, concise, and on-topic.  Don't ask if you can ask a question first.  Don't ask if a person is there; just ask what you intended to ask them.  Better questions more frequently yield better answers.  We are all here voluntarily or against our will.16:48
SpeedEvilichinix: ?16:48
GAN900lardman, still planning on it, still haven't heard about sponsorship.16:49
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ichinixSpeedEvil, my Nokia n900 keeps on booting and shutting down, wont even come to the bootsplash16:49
infobotRemove battery for 1 minute. Insert battery. Plug powered Nokia wallcharger to device. Watch steady amber. Let sit and charge. Do NOT try to boot. After 30 min, you got either a) a booted up N900, b) flashing amber which means you can boot, c) steady amber going off - in this case start over again with ~flatbatrecover16:49
ichinixmy guess is i bricked it but i hoped someone could help me to revive it :P16:49
SpeedEvilyeah - that16:49
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SpeedEvilDid you do anything wirrd to it?16:50
infobotmethinks flashing is
ichinixtried to update and remove packages16:50
DocScrutinizerpower kernel I suppose16:50
DocScrutinizerbefore your battery is completely flat16:51
ichinixi tried but i get the msg that the device is buzy16:51
DocScrutinizerthat's a server PC issue, not N90016:51
ichinixUnable to enumerate USB devices!16:51
ichinixeven on windows i it keeps on beeping16:51
ichinixi have dual boot16:52
ichinixwith opensuse 11.3 and windows 716:52
DocScrutinizertry linux system, make sure you got no hub or anything in between flashing PC and N90016:52
ichinixi am on my linux system16:53
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DocScrutinizerand *make sure your battery is charged*. You'll run into a bootstrap problem with borked non charging system plus flat battery16:53
ichinixill charge the battery in a sec and try again16:53
DocScrutinizerbootlooping doe DISCHARGE  battery!!16:53
ichinixwhen i try to flash the phone and get to the "Suitable USB device not found, waiting." msg i plug in the phone which is tunred off at that time16:54
DocScrutinizerit's a real deadlock16:54
ichinixwhile holding down the u button and all16:54
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ichinixas soon as i plug it in i get the msg "Unable to enumerate USB devices!"16:54
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DocScrutinizerumm, you're running flasher as root?16:55
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DocScrutinizerhmm, weird16:55
DocScrutinizeryou are holding 'u' on N900 (sorry, have to ask that)16:55
ichinixdont be sorry :) u only try to help :P i need it ;P ;p;16:55
DocScrutinizerremove battery from N900, plug to USB, insert batery while holding 'u'16:56
ichinixand try again i presume ?16:56
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DocScrutinizerstart flasher, wait for "Suitable USB device not found, waiting.", plug in N900 without battery inserted, insert battery while u16:57
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ichinixsame result im afraid16:57
ichinixcould it be that im using the wrong image file ?16:58
ichinixthat i make a mistake on that end16:58
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DocScrutinizernot afaik16:58
pupnikwhat does holding 'u' do again?16:58
DocScrutinizerit forces NOLO into flashing mode16:58
DocScrutinizerthus it should stop any enum on USB16:58
DocScrutinizerichinix: use another linux box16:59
ichinixwould a live cd be good enough ?16:59
DocScrutinizersomething seems to interfere with USB (maybe automounter or whatever)16:59
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DocScrutinizeryes, live CD is fine16:59
ichinixkk bbl :) have loads of those arround :P16:59
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pupnikif you like .debs try sidux / aptosid - nice lightweight livecd also17:04
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GAN900DocScrutinizer, only if USB is plugged in, though, right?17:08
DocScrutinizerGAN900: only what?17:09
DocScrutinizer(btw I'm happy to hand over to somebody else, as I'm neither the certified expert for flashing, nor completely up and running today)17:09
Gh0styyou're down and walking today? :p17:10
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DocScrutinizerGAN900: NOLO forcing? Nah, it needs no host for sure, dunno about 5V but I managed to keep NOLO in flashing mode on wallcharger17:11
DocScrutinizer...and proved it DOEs NOT charge in this mode17:11
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DocScrutinizerso first Q to ichinix should've been "does it show NOLO with USB icon in upper right corner?"17:13
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xDaReaperxneed's your help *17:14
xDaReaperxcould you analyze my problem
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DocScrutinizerconfirmed, without VBUS NOLO won't enter flashing mode17:16
DocScrutinizerso if it refuses to show NOLO & USB icon, check what makes VBUS fail. Try with wallcharger instead of desktop PC17:17
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DocScrutinizerthen OTOH when VBUS fails, there's no reason at all for N900 to boot up on USB plug in17:19
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DocScrutinizerexcept when host disables VBUS on first short moment of NOLO trying to start charging17:20
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DocScrutinizerSo if it works on wallcharger but not on host PC, try a different host PC box then (with possibly better USB hw)17:21
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kamado you know how to export the maemo calendar?17:23
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DocScrutinizerxDaReaperx: first comments: hidden SSID is absolutely deprecated, causes battery drain and security threats to both your N900 and your whole WLAN17:25
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DocScrutinizerxDaReaperx: make sure your WPA2-PSK is correct. There's a lot of variations on how to correctly enter such a key17:26
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xDaReaperxOkay my SSID is not longer hidden , still gives up the same error ... i'll try to work out with the key17:27
DocScrutinizeryour method on N900 might not be compatible with what is suggested and assumed in your shool/dad's/whatever network17:27
CorsacDocScrutinizer: what kind of security threat does hidden ssid causes?17:28
xDaReaperxi was about to ask that ^17:28
DocScrutinizeryour client device broadcasting all names of networks with hidden SSIDS, for example, whenever it encounters a AP with hidden SSID17:29
DocScrutinizerso any rogue AP gets suggestions for free how to lure you into associating with it and think it's your 'own' network17:29
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DocScrutinizeralso eats lots of battery17:30
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DocScrutinizerfurther threats are more complicated to explain17:30
kamano one knows how to sync n900 calendar with korganizer?17:30
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DocScrutinizer(tbh I can't exactly remember right now)17:30
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Corsacthat looks like an n900 issue17:30
Corsacnot an hidden ssid issue17:30
DocScrutinizerkama: there are lengthy threads in tmo about syncing17:30
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Corsac(and tbh, mutual authentication is the only real way to be sure you're not associating with the wrong AP)17:31
DocScrutinizerCorsac: the problem sketched above is a generic WLAN+hidden_SSID issue17:31
xDaReaperxDamn i just tried changing the WPA pass phrase to something much compromising , and also switched from WPA 2 to WPA17:31
xDaReaperxstill no hope ...17:31
CorsacDocScrutinizer: is it required by the norm to broadcast all remembered hidden ssid when you encounter one hidden ssid?17:32
Corsacit would find that pretty weird17:32
ieatlintxDaReaperx: apparently dmesg will show info about connecting17:32
DocScrutinizerhidden SSID: DEPRECATED! just don't do it!17:32
ieatlinttake a look at what it says is going on17:32
Corsacok so the security reason was just fud :)17:32
xDaReaperxNo My SSID is no longer hidden17:32
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kamaDocScrutinizer: i found only solution that uses gpe-calendar/gmail.....but i just want to export ics from the "default" maemo calendar17:34
DocScrutinizerCorsac: how's your client going to ask AP with hidden SSID about the name of it?? There's no other way than asking "are you MY1STHIDDENSSID ? are you Ny"ndHiddenSSID ?" and so on. No?17:34
kamais it possible?17:34
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DocScrutinizerkama: not ootb17:34
kamathank you17:35
DocScrutinizerI gave up on it so far, just copying vcards back and forth17:35
CorsacDocScrutinizer: don't try to connect automagically to hidden networks, that's all?17:35
xDaReaperxDocScrutinizer : I've completly switched off Security encryption for my WiFi , it still wont connect17:36
DocScrutinizerCorsac: if you got hidden SSID connections configured, what do you expect network layer to do about it?17:36
Corsac(note that some implementations send probe request for each and every ssid they know anyway)17:36
xDaReaperxAlso - SSID is no longer hidden *17:36
Corsac(hidden or not)17:36
CorsacDocScrutinizer: don't do anything until user request it?17:36
ieatlintxDaReaperx: take a look at dmesg, it should log what is happening17:36
DocScrutinizerCorsac: don't move focus away from original topic!17:36
Corsachidden ssid aren't exactly supposed to be joined automatically imho, it's not really consistent17:36
DocScrutinizercya all17:37
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ichinixim back :)17:44
ichinixdarn i forgot the guys name who helped me :) anyway im the guy from a couple of min ago with the broken nokia17:45
ichinixand it looks like its fixed now so i wanna thank you for your help :)17:45
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ichinixthanks :)17:47
crashanddieichinix, docscrutinizer and SpeedEvil helped you17:47
ichinixcool thanks everyone for helping a nokia noob like me xD17:48
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DocScrutinizer51ichinix: was a pleasure17:48
ichinixso what i just did i can consider that as reinstalling my phone ?17:49
crashanddieif you reflashed it? Yes.17:49
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ichinixcool :) makes me more comfortable messing with my phone as i would with my computer xD17:50
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ichinixSo in that case ull be seeing me more often here trying to get help and hopefully givehelp in the future :P17:52
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DocScrutinizerichinix: welcome. And of course all contributions appreciated18:02
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tcostiglI installed MyMenu on my n900 to try it out. When I uninstalled today all my shortcuts, except for a few are gone. I can't even start App Manager or xterm... any ideas how to get them back?18:17
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timeless_mbpooh, i've made it to 8 days ago18:30
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mgedmingood luck with your time travels, timeless_mbp18:38
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timeless_mbpmgedmin:  thanks18:41
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opdf2besides clearing saved passwords, Is there a way to have microb ask to remember password after saying never remember?18:44
timeless_mbpthe choice is saved somewhere18:45
timeless_mbpso technically you could go to the right place and locally zap it18:45
timeless_mbpis the relevant mozilla kb for it18:46
timeless_mbpi'm not sure the pref window code is available, but you should be able to pull it in18:47
timeless_mbp(or manually follow it)18:47
timeless_mbpin a future less hacky browser, that preference would be exposed in a site properties page18:47
infobottimeless_mbp meant: in a future less hacky browser, that preference would be exposed in a site properties view18:47
timeless_mbpin fennec, such a thing would be exposed as part of Larry18:47
timeless_mbpalthough, googling for Larry fails miserably18:48
timeless_mbp for lack of a better hit18:49
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opdf2I edited signons.sqlite18:50
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opdf2deleted site entry18:50
opdf2works fine18:50
opdf2it's in /home/user/.mozilla/microb18:50
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opdf2hmm I don't remember putting Ovi Store in never remember18:55
wazdSeriously, I thought Gizmodo is not that "crazy american" (in a bad way) blog. Failed.18:55
opdf2can someone check if that is an entry in/home/user/.mozilla/microb/signons.sqlite ?18:55
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SpeedEvills -l /home/user/.mozilla/microb/signons.sqlite19:02
SpeedEvil-rw-r--r--    1 user     users       23552 Oct  1 21:28 /home/user/.mozilla/microb/signons.sqlite19:02
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SpeedEvilsqlite3 signons.sqlirte19:04
SpeedEvilmoz_disabledHosts  moz_logins19:04
SpeedEvilsqlite> .dump moz_disabledHosts19:04
DocScrutinizererr, isn't there "an app for it"?19:05
DocScrutinizermicrob addon certs, addon xyz - pkg ?19:06
DocScrutinizersomething weird using xulrunner or somesuch19:06
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DocScrutinizermicrob-engine-common-ext - Cert and password manager for microb. hmm...19:14
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DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: .dump is really nice :-) ON CONFLICT REPLACE - damn my SQL got rusty over the decades19:30
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DocScrutinizercould it be somewhat related to sqlite3 ? got a weird 100% CPU for quite some minutes19:32
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dsgTrying again in case someone knows: anyone has any idea what the key/cert in /etc/certs/trusted/root.key and do? They're used in maemo-security-certman ./lib/security/libbb5stub.cpp in bb5_init and bb5_finish at least.19:34
SpeedEvilOdon't think there is a sqlited or anything like that19:34
dsgGoogling bb5 just tells me it's something to do with carrier locks.19:34
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DocScrutinizerbb5 is the cellmo chip rapuyama19:35
DocScrutinizerso I'd guess that cert is related to cellmo FW update verification19:35
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dsgYeah. I just thought it was very odd to have a key/cert pair where the private key is publically known. :)19:36
DocScrutinizeror it's the carrier's cert to verify unlock code for simlocked devices?19:36
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dsgDocScrutinizer: It's the same on all devices.19:37
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DocScrutinizerhmm, k. NFC bout certs, only can tell you bb5 is the modem/phone hardware's name19:37
dsgok, thanks :)19:38
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DocScrutinizerplease keep us updated about your findings, that's an intriguing topic19:39
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lcukyo lardman \o19:40
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lardmanhi lcuk19:41
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SpeedEvildsg: I would guess it's the key used to verify the cellmo firmware is plausible before uploading it to the modem. Which is probably signed itself in a different manner.19:42
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lolcat^My N900 is stuck in a reboot-loop19:42
lolcat^Back to the N97 Mini then19:43
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DocScrutinizerlolcat^: so what? you came here to tell us that?19:43
lolcat^I guess I will give it back to the shop and hope they give me a new one19:44
* DocScrutinizer adds a mark on the chalkboard, category 'useless information'19:44
lolcat^How is that useless? The device is weird. I wouldn't mind knowing how to fix it...19:45
lcuklolcat^, it would help to know what you did to it before it broke on you19:45
lcukso others can save themselves19:45
DocScrutinizerlcuk: he's not even asking for any help?19:46
lolcat^I ssh'd into it to mess with my gf. Then I ran htop and killed a bunch of prosesses!19:46
lolcat^It was fun for a while. Then I recived a call from a friend, we talked for like 20 minutes. Then it said: "Phone-program has to be closed" (poorly translated)19:47
DocScrutinizerlcuk: he came here to let us know "N900=weird." & "going back to N97"19:47
lolcat^DocScrutinizer: No, I will get my N900 fixed! I need a smartphone!19:47
RST38hActually, it would not help to know how he broke it19:47
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lolcat^After that the phone wouldn't call, so I tried to reboot. And then it started reboot looping.19:47
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RST38hBut it would help if he switched to N97 and went away to some Symbian forum19:48
SpeedEvilI wonder if you'ver flattened thebattery19:48
* lolcat^ for a moment I thougth DocScrutinizer kicked himself19:48
lcukthinking the same SpeedEvil19:48
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lolcat^SpeedEvil: It was flatt when I bougth it, display device19:48
lcuklolcat^, just try leaving it on charge over night?19:49
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lcukor will it cycle19:49
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lolcat^lcuk: But it havent been flat for at least a month.19:49
lcukawesome, you have one of the new nuclear batteries19:50
lolcat^And is there any spotify solution?19:50
lolcat^lcuk: I charge it when I am home. I am usually home...19:50
lcukI think your rebootify issue needs a solutionify19:50
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lcukits just a thought lolcat^19:50
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lolcat^lcuk: Ok, thanks will try19:51
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DocScrutinizermeh, not even kicking myself helped19:56
ccookeDocScrutinizer: kicking won't help. /kill will, but you need to be an IC op for that :-)19:57
lcukhey ccooke \o19:57
ccookehiya :-)19:57
DocScrutinizer51ccooke: orly?19:57
ccookeDocScrutinizer51: Too many irc apps will automatically rejoin channels. Very bad form, and all that19:58
ShadowJKwell, mine would reoonnect+rejoin, but doesn't rejoin20:00
DocScrutinizer51hmm, the problem is I'm not supposed to have any ignores active. But nevermind, there's nothing to delay that trouble comin every day (FZ). foul Mood + Noobs just doesn't please20:01
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DocScrutinizer51this special kind of noobs trolling with first statement like 'n900 is weird, back to xy sybian. Shop will fix my mess"20:03
DocScrutinizer51as if anybody would care at all20:04
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DocScrutinizer51seems like RST38h quite sympathized on my feelings about that20:06
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DocScrutinizer51RST38h: got spanking for that as chanops aren't supposed to20:15
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GAN900DocScrutinizer, burn it down.20:18
septiqFor information, i bricked my n900 using BackupMenu by robbiethe1st, even the nokia care center was unable to reflash it, be careful20:19
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Stskeepsseptiq: well, that's what you get for writing directly to NAND20:20
Stskeepsseptiq: i'm willing to bet with a specially crafted initrd that i could get it back to life20:20
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Myrtticuriosity always, ALWAYS kills the cat20:20
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septiqi managed to recover once by flashing then i had the stupid idea to try again, finally i never succedeed in re-flashing20:22
lardmanhmm, how has that bricked your N900 out of interest?20:22
lardmanare you shadowz1337 from TMO?20:22
septiqlardman: it has been sent to nokia, now i have to wait 3/4 weeks20:23
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lardmanah, I see what backupmenu does now20:24
septiqi'd be glad if we had a safe solution for device cloning20:24
septiqactually; i have no idea why the dd with md5sum check failed in my case20:25
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septiqhas someone ever successfully cloned rootfs+optfs with BackupMenu ?20:26
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septiqhas anyone tried to patch Recaller for a better file naming scheme ?20:31
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DocScrutinizer51septiq: NAND has arbitrary bad blocks, writing directly to phys dev is like begging for doom20:39
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septiqDocScrutinizer51: i wont forget your words20:40
keriowhat does the NAND use? ubi?20:40
kerioor jffs2?20:40
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DocScrutinizerubi afaik20:46
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lcukarg i just blinded myself with the flash on n900 (jokingly close up accidental button firing)21:01
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E0xhmm i see , i can use n900 like not lethel weapon !21:02
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DocScrutinizer51lcuk: don't worry, ther'll be no permanent damage other than 2 black spots in your vision21:13
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DocScrutinizer51my similar injury was caused by a 1W green laser though - luckily at 85° to the right, eleation 021:15
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RST38hWith your last remaining eye...21:16
RST38h...don't look back into the laser21:16
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crashanddieJust got an email from the so-called CTO21:17
DocScrutinizer51chief tech officer?21:18
crashanddiethey're going to use a CLI PHP app to act as a proxy between HTTP clients, and our C++ server21:18
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crashanddiemain arguments are "PHP is better suited to talk to HTTP clients" and "PHP will be faster"21:18
crashanddiewho the fuck put this monkey in charge?21:19
SpeedEvil - those in the UK - t-mobile and orange free roaming21:19
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GAN900crashanddie, why do managers try to make technical decisions?21:20
SpeedEvilcrashanddie: Have you considered a whip-round the IT staff to buy a contract on him?21:20
crashanddieGAN900, he's not a manager21:20
crashanddieGAN900, he's supposedly my manager, but I met him once during my interviewing process, and never had a single email (this is the first one) from him since I joined the company21:20
crashanddienor phone call, or face-to-face21:21
keriowho the hell is that guy21:21
nox-that sounds like material for thedailywtf...21:21
keriodoes he really get money from your company21:21
crashanddiehe wrote the web UI for our main product21:21
crashanddie(I write the backend)21:21
crashanddieit's a dodgy PHP hack21:21
crashanddieapparently, he sees PHP as a solution to everything... Our C++ server already handles the HTTP connections, and provides them with a dynamically generated Javascript library, + a socket that streams all the required ata21:22
crashanddies/ ata/data/21:22
infobotcrashanddie meant: apparently, he sees PHP as a solution to everything... Our C++ server already handles the HTTP connections, and provides them with a dynamically generated Javascript library, + a socket that streams all the requireddata21:22
keriocrashanddie: wait21:23
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kerioso your server does everything already21:23
kerioand it works21:23
keriowtf does he want21:23
crashanddiekerio, our API isn't purty enough for the web team. They don't like the fact we generate our own javascript library, and the fact we don't use the JQuery standard (ie: $(bollocks))21:24
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keriocrashanddie: make it clear to their boss and their boss' boss that they'll be wasting time reimplementing what already works21:24
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crashanddiewell, it's the CEO21:25
crashanddieI'm seeing him tomorrow anyway, and I'm having dinner with the engineering manager tonight21:25
jacekowskiquite a bit time ago i was in charge dealing with servers for some browser based game21:25
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jacekowskifrontend was php21:25
jacekowskiwell, on start pretty much everything was php based21:26
crashanddiejacekowski, I can understand why the frontend can be PHP, it's a good language for everything around web-based stuff21:26
jacekowskiand then stuff got rewriten as C with simple php extension to connect to frontend21:26
crashanddiejacekowski, but this is data streaming -- data which will be coming from the C++ server anyway21:26
crashanddieso they're just adding an extra hop for no good reaso21:26
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jacekowskii can't imagine how21:26
jacekowskihttp server implemented in php?21:27
johnsqcrashanddie: you can sell it better when it includes words like xml and java21:27
jacekowskior they are adding http server and php21:27
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crashanddiejohnsq, no java in this company, at all21:27
jacekowskijohnsq: and bespoke21:27
jacekowskijohnsq: cutting edge21:27
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crashanddiejacekowski, the web interface comes from a PHP server, nobody is challenging that. It's just that the web interface is populated with data that is being streamed from a server, based on session information, etc. The session is handled by our C++ server. The data is generated and in memory on our C++ server. We already have a process that only does handling arbitrary connections from hundreds of hosts...21:29
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RST38hcrashanddie, you are not industry standard compliant until you have got Java!21:32
* RST38h explodes in satanic laughter21:32
jacekowskic++ is too fast21:33
RST38hC++ is a dying language, error prine, difficult to code in21:33
RST38hGo Java go!21:33
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crashanddieWe can stream to JSON, XML or SOAP, depending on the capabilities of the browser, and generate the javascripts libraries on the fly that allows the browsers to interpret that data... Now they're just going to ask us for XML, and they will translate it to JSON...21:34
RST38hJust consider the expense of hiring costly C++ programmers and letting them debug code for months!21:34
crashanddieanyway, going for dinner21:34
crashanddielater all, have a good one21:34
RST38hXML, yes, good21:34
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RST38hXML is good, industry standard21:34
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* SpeedEvil knows of a 160G XML file.21:36
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timeless_xchatstealing focus while i'm typing isn't welcome. ..21:37
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GAN900timeless_xchat, hey-ho, MicroB!. :P21:38
Chanifocus stealing prevention ftw21:38
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DocScrutinizer51timeless_xchat: :-o stealing focus?21:39
timeless_xchati asked it to connect to freenode21:39
timeless_xchatwhen it connects, it will join #maemo21:39
DocScrutinizer51timeless_xchat: probably you should disable that notification cruft in xchat21:40
timeless_xchatbut before it did, i started typing "/join"21:40
timeless_xchatexcept, before i got the "n" typed, it switched to #maemo where i got "normal" (well an "n" with prediction)21:41
timeless_xchatoh, cool, i have nearly 60k points from finnair21:44
* timeless_xchat had been wondering about that for a while21:44
GAN900timeless_xchat, I like it when MicroB insists on pulling focus to the URL bar when I'm trying to search on Amazon.21:45
* timeless_xchat nods21:46
BCMMSpeedEvil: i have to ask21:46
timeless_xchatyou can thank
timeless_xchatplease remind him21:49
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keriohow do i set the fmtx's region again?22:01
* SpeedEvil stabs the UKs infuckingsane mobile mast listing site.22:02
SpeedEvilI want a list of towers/IDs22:02
SpeedEvilso I can tell which one I'm connected to.22:02
SpeedEvilAnd which way I need to move to get a LOS.22:02
Stskeepsimpossible after 11/922:02
SpeedEvilIt's not.22:02
SpeedEvilIt's there.22:02
FauxFauxHow does the AGPS service work?22:03
SpeedEvilIt's just web0.122:03
StskeepsFauxFaux: $$$22:03
kerioeverybody knows terrorists have no money22:03
FauxFauxThat's pretty amazingly shocking.22:04
SpeedEvilI think it's designed to be shit.22:05
SpeedEvilYou can't come up with a design that bad by simple incompetence.22:05
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FauxFauxYou can by having more money than god due to selling vapourware and taking the highest bidder, though.22:09
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DocScrutinizer51SpeedEvil: don't blame UK BTS list, most of Europe doesn't have such thing at all22:52
jacekowskipoland does22:52
jacekowskiUKE requires operators to provide that, but just with address not gps location22:53
DocScrutinizer51SpeedEvil: checked openbmap and similar projects?22:53
SpeedEvil Steve-Bill confusion FTW.22:53
jacekowskihowever that law failed and they are not require do provide that in any user friendly format22:53
jacekowskiso that data is avaliable on some non friendly website22:53
jacekowskibut it's there22:53
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MohammadAGmade a script to disable camera-ui, for those with a stupid school/university22:56
jogawhat does a school have to do with camera-ui?22:57
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MohammadAGjoga, my school doesn't allow phones with cameras, a simple dialog which shows them it's disables proves they're stupid22:59
jogawhy do they have a say to what features a phone can have22:59
SpeedEvilbecasue they do.22:59
jacekowskiterrorists and stuff23:00
MohammadAGidk, I still don't follow their stupid rules23:00
MohammadAG is enough for them to believe it's borked23:00
jacekowskiMohammadAG: are you looking like a terrorist?23:00
MohammadAGin really, it's just a moved /usr/bin/camera-ui, and a dialog23:00
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MohammadAGdo you look like*, nope23:00
jacekowskiare you a terrorist?23:00
StskeepsMohammadAG: +1 for cleverness23:01
MohammadAGjacekowski, maybe :P23:01
MohammadAGStskeeps, hehehe23:01
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MohammadAGheh, I could get in deep shit if the school admin notices the app in devel23:11
MohammadAGhe has an N900, and is quite a noob at using it23:11
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JaffaMohammadAG: Uninstall the package and then copy over the contents, so if he asks to see HAM you can show it's not installed (or create a version not in user/ for your own purposes ;-))23:13
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MohammadAGhe won't ask for HAM, but he'll see my name in the Maintainer field when he browses the repo23:14
MohammadAGI doubt he'll notice it23:14
GAN900MohammadAG, what? You're the only person with your name? "That's not me, it's some kid in Canada."23:15
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MohammadAGwho has my email in the maintainer field? lol23:16
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* MohammadAG makes another 0.2 version of the script, which isn't in user/23:17
MohammadAGI'll install that on his device, he won't see the 0.1 version in HAM23:17
MohammadAGor I could raise that to over 900023:17
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TiagoTiagowould it be safe to optify  /usr/include?23:19
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TiagoTiagowas that "yep" directed at me?23:22
dRbiGis there any app for maemo that allows to do stuff like change profile, turn on vibration etc. depending on my location?23:23
TiagoTiagothere was a project called Shepperd(sp?), i dunno what happened to it23:24
dRbiGTiagoTiago: thx!23:25
TiagoTiagojacekowski, was that "yep" directed at me?23:25
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TiagoTiagook, thanx23:26
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TiagoTiagoalright, cya23:31
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dRbiGseems that shepperd is all talk no code ;)23:35
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Guest2502what is an easy way to get  ö, å, Ä on the n900?23:35
Guest2502the three swedish characters?23:36
dRbiGprobably find a way to change the keymap23:36
Guest2502on an english layout (I don't want to change language because I can't speak swedish, but I'm learning it)23:36
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nox-maybe change keymap to add a compose key?23:37
dRbiGi know that under X you can set an 'english international' map which basically gives a lot of language specific characters23:37
dRbiGalthough afair only western & nothern europe of course23:38
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Guest2502 just what I wanted23:38
MohammadAGhow do I center text in a gtk label?23:40
dRbiGprobably by setting justify parameter23:40
MohammadAGduh :P23:40
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dRbiGand i guess that you'll want to set it to JUSTIFY_CENTER ;)23:41
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felipechmm, getrusage doesn't seem to work correctly :(23:44
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