| MohammadAG | Jaffa, no, but they install side by side | 00:00 |
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| MohammadAG | modified-hildon-desktop is a different package | 00:00 |
| MohammadAG | http://my.svgalib.org/770/n900/hd-2.2.141/modified-hildon-desktop_3.1_armel.deb | 00:00 |
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| MohammadAG | dpkg -i it, it won't replace your hd package, it'll just replace the binary in /usr/bin | 00:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Jaffa: or just visit my tools page, and c&p :-D | 00:01 |
| Jaffa | I see. | 00:01 |
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| tobis87 | http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0020629/parentalguide :-D , a penis would be the least to worry about. | 00:29 |
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| johnx | with a description like that how can I avoid clicking the link? (Pretty easily it turns out ...) | 00:34 |
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| tobis87 | everybody should make their own mind up and not rely on recommendations, not that I would show hardcore pornographie to childrens, but I don't think children get "damaged" by watching controversial movies. | 00:37 |
| pupnik_ | i do if the movie shows actual evil from the protagonist side | 00:37 |
| pupnik_ | so a horror slasher that revels in cutting people up is actually sickening media | 00:38 |
| crashanddie | no, but their parents sure hate it when you bring them back after introducing the kids to freddie kruger, and then the parents bitch "we can't sleep anymore, they keep having nightmares, bla bla bla" | 00:38 |
| johnx | tobis87, neither do I. and I never said otherwise :) Just my own comments on why I'm not too likely to follow that link ... | 00:38 |
| Freak5 | do you know if there is a chance for working ovi-maps navigation with speech support when using maemo? | 00:39 |
| MohammadAG | hmm | 00:39 |
| crashanddie | johnx: you seem to have a solid case of misunderstanding | 00:39 |
| MohammadAG | how do I add a scheduled shutdown on ubuntu? | 00:40 |
| johnx | crashanddie, likely caused by apathy. it's a real problem | 00:40 |
| johnx | :) | 00:40 |
| MohammadAG | nvm, I'll just use a sleep 10800; halt | 00:40 |
| pupnik_ | MohammadAG: "man shutdown" maybe | 00:40 |
| johnx | shutdown -something-that-i-forgot -h | 00:41 |
| johnx | maybe -t? | 00:41 |
| tobis87 | pupnik_: Which is really ridiculas, if you have watched Braindead from Peter Jackson. It is so overdone, you will laugh at every splasher if you watched this movie... | 00:41 |
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| pupnik_ | tobis87: ok noted | 00:42 |
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| pupnik_ | i guess it's not easy to convince someone of something that isn't seen physically | 00:44 |
| pupnik_ | what flows through us individuals as common culture is sometimes difficult to percieve - without an external vantage point of some sort | 00:45 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | shutdown -h "tomorrow at teatime" | 00:45 |
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| kerio | shutdown -h "tonight... you" | 00:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer | that's for sure beyond what date(1) syntax allows | 00:48 |
| kerio | you have to install glibc-memes | 00:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | The --date=STRING is a mostly free format human readable date string such as "Sun, 29 Feb 2004 16:21:42 -0800" or "2004-02-29 16:21:42" or even "next Thursday". | 00:50 |
| tobis87 | pupnik_: it is not blood, which makes people fear, but the subtile... watching psycho is the best example, what will happen next? and "all quiet on the western front" is subtile in a way, because it shows how senseless war really is. | 00:50 |
| crashanddie | lol... i misread that as "subtitle", not "subtile" | 00:51 |
| crashanddie | wondering wtf you were on about | 00:51 |
| crashanddie | though, tobis87, that's way off topic and has been for a while | 00:51 |
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| tobis87 | crashanddie: Well, I was just referring to MohammadAG: crashanddie, can't see anything "wrong" here http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0475394/parentalguide , which is ridiculas if you compare it to the parental guide to the movie all quiet on the western front. | 00:56 |
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| crashanddie | "Hey, why the hell did you shoot that black dude?" "Well, mr officer, I was just trying to make a point from a conversation we had earlier on" | 00:57 |
| luke-jr_ | … | 00:59 |
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| ieatlint | that's it, no more bacon for you | 01:00 |
| kerio | BACON | 01:00 |
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| tobis87 | crashanddie: I had to make my comment, because comparing "Parents should know this movie contains very graphic violence" to a "a penis is shown" in an anti-war movie is just hilarious. | 01:02 |
| crashanddie | you didn't have to do anything, now just please let this topic die out | 01:03 |
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| johnx | crashanddie, quit being the topic enforcer :P | 01:05 |
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| tobis87 | ok, but bacon is not much more intellectual, I really don't want to argue, but right now there doesn't seem to be much maemo related talk going on. just to make life less boring... | 01:08 |
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| crashanddie | was I just insulted of being as intellectual as bacon? | 01:13 |
| kerio | being compared to bacon is *never* an insult | 01:13 |
| kerio | whatever the comparison is | 01:13 |
| ieatlint | agreed, it's high praise | 01:13 |
| ieatlint | there should be bacon awards | 01:13 |
| Chani | tobis87: oy, I was seeing "subtitle" as well. the word you're looking for is "subtle" :) | 01:15 |
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| ieatlint | i need to find a bar that serves bacon | 01:16 |
| tobis87 | Chani: Yes, I know should not use google for translation, that much. :-D | 01:17 |
| johnx | in US English at least I think it's 'subtle' not 'subtile'. Is it different in other English variants? | 01:17 |
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| Chani | johnx: no, it is always "subtle" | 01:18 |
| Chani | "subtile" sounds like something a window manager might do, but it's not a real english word anywhere ;) | 01:19 |
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| tobis87 | In german it is "subtil". | 01:19 |
| johnx | well, in the dictionary here it says that 'subtile' is 'Now rare' whateverTF that means | 01:19 |
| Chani | tobis87: ah, cool :) | 01:19 |
| ieatlint | archaic probably | 01:19 |
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| Chani | watch out for those downloaded dictionaries... I have a german->english one on my n900 that frequently gives me words so obscure I'm pretty sure a few of them never existed at all | 01:20 |
| johnx | anyways, I vote we just change the English and German spelling to subtile. No point in having them differ by only one letter | 01:21 |
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| Chani | damnit, now I want bacon :P | 01:23 |
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| tobis87 | I once had the problem, that instead of the ordinary dictonary, ubuntu had installed a dictonary for OpenOffice, which enforced academic speak. :-D | 01:25 |
| johnx | did it highlight "don't" as a misspelling? | 01:25 |
| crashanddie | Chani: how can a word never have existed if it exists in a dictionary on your n900 | 01:26 |
| kerio | NEVER EXISTED | 01:26 |
| tobis87 | Wanted to complicate every word... :-D Nah, don't remember, was just on my netbook, fixed it quickly. | 01:26 |
| tobis87 | But, I think it was Ubuntu 8.10 Intrepid Ibex | 01:27 |
| johnx | crashanddie, just because someone gives you a book full of letters and calls it a dictionary, doesn't mean that those collections of letters are words | 01:27 |
| crashanddie | johnx: actually, as soon as a word is used, it exists | 01:27 |
| johnx | sdlfhsfs | 01:27 |
| johnx | it means "no, that's crap." | 01:27 |
| crashanddie | being in a dictionary does not define a word's existance. | 01:28 |
| ieatlint | he has a point... english's lack of a governing body means you can't disprove anything about english | 01:28 |
| johnx | ieatlint, sdlfhsfs | 01:28 |
| ieatlint | it also means i can decide that alot is proper | 01:28 |
| johnx | alot is great | 01:29 |
| johnx | http://hyperboleandahalf.blogspot.com/2010/04/alot-is-better-than-you-at-everything.html | 01:29 |
| ieatlint | hehe, yeah, i love that | 01:30 |
| ieatlint | was thinking of the alot when saying that :) | 01:30 |
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| b-man` | http://www.allmotivated.com/pictures/Demotivational-pictures-maintenance.jpg :) | 01:31 |
| ieatlint | what's wrong with that? it's not turned on... | 01:31 |
| ieatlint | also, go isa and simms | 01:31 |
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| crashanddie | johnx: this woman always cuts off the butt of the ham before putting it in the pan, but one day she wonders why. It's a tasty piece, soft and yummy, so why throw it away? Because her mom did. So she calls her mum, and asks why she did it. "I don't know, that's how my mother used to do it", the mother replies, so the woman calls her grandmother, and asks why she threw away the butt of the ham. She replies that she didn't have a | 01:32 |
| crashanddie | johnx: the dictionary is just like the pan. It's not big enough. It can't hold the wealth of words that are available. A word can't be a "real word", as much as it can't be a "non-existent word". If you like a word, use it, it really doesn't matter whether it's in a dictionary or not. | 01:33 |
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| SpeedEvil | Infilipostulantly correct. | 01:34 |
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| johnx | crashanddie, sdlfhsfs | 01:34 |
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| crashanddie | you do realise what you're doing, yes? | 01:35 |
| johnx | crashanddie, yes. that's why it amuses me | 01:35 |
| Chani | crashanddie: you got cut off. | 01:35 |
| Chani | "she didn't have a | 01:35 |
| crashanddie | Chani: "she didn't have a pan big enough!" | 01:35 |
| crashanddie | Mrs X's little boy has grown up to go "sdlfhshfs" in a room full of adults trying to have a decent conversation. | 01:36 |
| Chani | "If you like a word, use it" <-- but if you like to be understood, think twice about that :) | 01:36 |
| Chani | crashanddie: conversation? at this time of night? ;) | 01:36 |
| johnx | my point being that it takes consensus for a word to be useful | 01:36 |
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| crashanddie | Chani: "night" is a very geographically subjective term :) | 01:37 |
| Chani | oh right that | 01:37 |
| crashanddie | do you really think that the guy who invented "LOL" waited for consensus? | 01:37 |
| johnx | and that languages might not have 'rules' but they have 'guidelines' about what words are 'acceptable' | 01:37 |
| * Chani is now in europe, and is enjoying being in the same timezone as 80% of kde | 01:37 | |
| SpeedEvil | johnx: Unless you're in france. | 01:37 |
| johnx | crashanddie, which is why it wasn't a useful word at first, it was just annoying | 01:37 |
| crashanddie | yet, it's one heck of a popular word in the world | 01:37 |
| SpeedEvil | johnx: Where there is a committee. | 01:37 |
| crashanddie | SpeedEvil: do you know how the people who are part of the "Academie Francaise" are called? | 01:38 |
| crashanddie | "The Immortals" | 01:38 |
| crashanddie | This weekend, they voted in favour of a rule of the Academie Francaise that would limit new Immortals to be 75 max. | 01:39 |
| crashanddie | Reasoning was: "We need more young blood" | 01:39 |
| SpeedEvil | :) | 01:39 |
| crashanddie | Anyone thinking of vampires at this stage? | 01:39 |
| SpeedEvil | I was actually thinking of Highlander. | 01:40 |
| SpeedEvil | But that doesn't work ell with a comittee. | 01:40 |
| crashanddie | Oh come on, immortals, "we need more young blood"? | 01:40 |
| crashanddie | and their costumes are even more ridicule | 01:40 |
| crashanddie | http://www.academie-francaise.fr/images/immortels/portraits/girard.jpg | 01:41 |
| crashanddie | this guy almost smells of dracula himself | 01:41 |
| SpeedEvil | :) | 01:42 |
| crashanddie | anyway, I'm out, later all | 01:43 |
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| tobis87 | If you ever will try to read Hegel, you will forget about languages... | 01:51 |
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| tobis87 | This is what I would call "geschwurbel", there might be some readable passages and interesting stuff, but most of it is hidden behind a huge construction of letters which don't mean anything to the normal person. | 01:51 |
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| tobis87 | Was this hegel's world spirit, or just a dsl reconnect? :-D | 01:54 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | err, server down? | 01:56 |
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| dsg | Can anyone explain the purpose of these files: http://gitorious.org/maemo-5-certificate-manager/maemo-security-certman/commit/b551ece82b3707baaea1f40cca15e435f05c0da4 ? | 03:10 |
| dsg | It's a SSL CA key and certificate, but it's installed under /etc/certs/trusted and the same everywhere. | 03:10 |
| SpeedEvil | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Root_certificate | 03:11 |
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| dsg | SpeedEvil: I know what a root certificate is. I want to know what this one is used for. | 03:11 |
| dsg | It's the same for all phones, and the private key is public. I don't see the point. | 03:11 |
| dsg | But it's clearly loaded from some maemo crypto libraries | 03:11 |
| dsg | It also happens to be expired since ~2009... | 03:12 |
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| TermanaDesire | Good morning | 03:15 |
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| SpeedEvil | ah. | 03:16 |
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| SpeedEvil | Ok - it's hard to guage technical knowledge sometimes. | 03:16 |
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| GeneralAntilles | DocScrutinizer, ping? | 04:56 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | hmm? | 04:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | DocScrutinizer51, what the hell is your maemo.org username? joerg_rw? | 04:56 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | yes | 04:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm experiencing another episode of Moments in Competence here. | 04:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | OK, thanks. | 04:57 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | whatever episode that might be, seems I'm missing some meanings of words | 05:00 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Anybody know how the E.F.F. script works? | 06:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | I mean, to save me from having to download it and read the source. :P | 06:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ah, guess it's not the hardware feature. | 06:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ho hum | 06:13 |
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| SpeedEvil | http://b3ta.com/board/10189575 :) | 06:33 |
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| MohammadAG51 | who knows gconf, C, and hildon | 06:38 |
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| foowaffle | hello | 08:15 |
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| slonopotamus | ohai | 08:16 |
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| foowaffle | what phones have meego on it? | 08:18 |
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| slonopotamus | you can run meego on n900, but it ain't for daily use | 08:21 |
| foowaffle | woops sorry didnt notice the drifferent | 08:22 |
| foowaffle | thanks | 08:22 |
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| slonopotamus | maemo.org down? | 08:49 |
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| Termana | slonopotamus, maemo.org is up | 08:57 |
| Termana | slonopotamus, http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com for future use :p | 08:57 |
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| slonopotamus | downforeveryoneorjustme.com down? | 08:58 |
| slonopotamus | :P | 08:58 |
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| rantom | Hehehe | 10:42 |
| rantom | And yet again, we see the quality of the talk.maemo.org | 10:42 |
| rantom | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=830726&postcount=202 | 10:42 |
| rantom | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=832650&postcount=218 reply :) | 10:42 |
| rantom | Granted, I got some good laughs from that, not a bad way to start a new day | 10:43 |
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| jacekowski | Invalid Post specified. If you followed a valid link, please notify the administrator | 10:47 |
| rantom | Darn it | 10:47 |
| rantom | They removed it | 10:47 |
| jacekowski | can you paste content | 10:47 |
| rantom | No, unfortunately not | 10:47 |
| jacekowski | or say what was it about | 10:47 |
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| rantom | Nah, I was just being quite politely clear about the fact, that how annoying it is to get "i think hes dead" with bad English to your inbox, since it's not helping at all on the development | 10:48 |
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| rantom | And the response was purely cursing and bad English | 10:49 |
| rantom | And some kind of note for me to get a life. Wonder what that is though... | 10:49 |
| jacekowski | and that "i think hes dead" was related to what? | 10:49 |
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| rantom | To the developer | 10:50 |
| rantom | 's activity* | 10:50 |
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| jacekowski | is he? | 10:50 |
| rantom | He had not kept his promises and I defended hi | 10:50 |
| rantom | m | 10:50 |
| rantom | No | 10:50 |
| jacekowski | developer of what? | 10:50 |
| rantom | MohammadAG of Kinetic Scrolling for PR 1.2 | 10:51 |
| jacekowski | well, yeah, that's a problem with most open sources communities | 10:51 |
| Termana | heh, he's definitely not dead ;p | 10:51 |
| jacekowski | you can't say anything because it will be taken against you | 10:51 |
| rantom | Funniest part here was that the MohammadAG and four other users Thanked! me for that post :D | 10:52 |
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| jacekowski | when i do something i just announce it when it's done | 10:53 |
| rantom | That's the way it should be | 10:53 |
| rantom | Do NOT frustrate the developer | 10:53 |
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| rantom | Aha, and I got an infraction worth of 20 points | 10:55 |
| rantom | Yay :D | 10:56 |
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| rantom | http://talk.maemo.org/faq.php?faq=vb3_board_faq "Infraction and Banning" | 10:58 |
| rantom | Not that big of a deal to me though, I'll let them ban if they see it fit | 10:59 |
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| jacekowski | cunts | 11:04 |
| rantom | You mean the mods? | 11:04 |
| rantom | (or moderators, which one you prefer) | 11:05 |
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| rantom | In any case, if you did mean the mods, I woulnd't blame them. It's my fault, since my attack was indeed too direct, I should've written instead "Would you mind to stop the spamming" more or less non-personal "attack" | 11:07 |
| rantom | Oh well, what's done is done | 11:08 |
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| jacekowski | well, all of them really | 11:10 |
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| rmrfchik | wazzup | 11:43 |
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| n900-space | hi all | 11:56 |
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| n900-space | I cant set madde target, can anyone help? | 11:56 |
| n900-space | i have installed the latest nokia qt sdk | 11:56 |
| n900-space | Targets: fremantle-1030 (installable) maemo412-1 (installable) Runtimes: qemu-n900-pr12 (installable) | 11:56 |
| n900-space | but when i do a "mad set fremantle-1030" it doesnt work | 11:57 |
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| timeless_mbp | doesn't installable imply you haven't installed it? | 11:57 |
| n900-space | says "Target 'fremantle-1030' does not exist" | 11:57 |
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| n900-space | how do i install it | 11:58 |
| n900-space | i installed the complete nokia sdk | 11:58 |
| timeless_mbp | um, i just woke up, and haven't touched that ui in about 6-12 weeks | 11:58 |
| n900-space | you mean the madde console | 11:58 |
| n900-space | ? | 11:58 |
| timeless_mbp | (i touched it precisely once, producing 50-100 items of feedback for the madde team) | 11:58 |
| timeless_mbp | oh, and i was using the GUI version not the CLI :) | 11:59 |
| timeless_mbp | if you're new here, i'd suggest you consider trying the GUI first | 11:59 |
| alterego | There's a GUI | 11:59 |
| alterego | Are you talking about Qt Creator? | 11:59 |
| n900-space | plus there is one more problem :( ... the QT Creator I launch, says the examples are not installed (but i can find them in the directories), plus no help is available, the index comes emtpy, I dont know whats wrong, | 12:00 |
| n900-space | i have uninstalled and installed the whole sdk several times but same results. | 12:00 |
| timeless_mbp | btw, it's Qt, not QT | 12:00 |
| alterego | Strange, | 12:00 |
| timeless_mbp | QT is QuickTime | 12:00 |
| alterego | Heh | 12:00 |
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| n900-space | No I was talking about madde, when I said the "mad set fremantle-1030" is not working .. | 12:00 |
| n900-space | ok about QT :) | 12:01 |
| n900-space | Qt is what i'm talking about. | 12:01 |
| n900-space | This has been frustrating. | 12:01 |
| timeless_mbp | use the GUI. iirc it's MADE (as opposed to madde, the number of D's matter. gah) | 12:01 |
| n900-space | Btw I'm in windows 7. So i rebooted to fedora 12, Installed the Nokia Qt SDK there also. But I dont know how to access madde there on console. | 12:02 |
| Venemo | hi | 12:02 |
| n900-space | no its "madde", with double D | 12:02 |
| Venemo | n900-space: sorry, I'm a bit late to the party. what's your issue? | 12:02 |
| n900-space | hi Venemo | 12:02 |
| alterego | Not tried with Windows 7, might do today actually, would be nice to have a series 60 compilation environment. | 12:03 |
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| Venemo | n900-space: MADDE and Nokia Qt SDK works for me on Windows 7, so what's your problem? | 12:03 |
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| n900-space | Several: First: I installed the latest Nokia Qt Sdk. Launched qt creator, it says examples not installed. But I can find them in the directories (maybe some configurations problem), also qt creator doesnt show any help | 12:04 |
| n900-space | Help index comes up blank. | 12:04 |
| timeless_mbp | file bugs to Nokia Qt SDK team :) | 12:05 |
| Venemo | n900-space: yes, that is happening for me too | 12:05 |
| Venemo | n900-space: the guys in #qt may be of better help for issues like this | 12:05 |
| n900-space | ok then Venemo tell me this, during the installation, did u get any errors like "qmake.exe is already busy" with Ignore/Retry button options? | 12:06 |
| Venemo | n900-space: no, I didn't | 12:06 |
| n900-space | hmm | 12:07 |
| n900-space | ok about madde. | 12:07 |
| jarkkom | I had all kinds of issues with Qt SDK on windows until I installed it in default location at C:\NokiaQtSDK | 12:07 |
| n900-space | I'm getting problem doing "mad set" | 12:07 |
| jarkkom | after that, it works fine on win7 64bit | 12:07 |
| n900-space | Targets: fremantle-1030 (installable) maemo412-1 (installable) Runtimes: qemu-n900-pr12 (installable) | 12:07 |
| n900-space | jarkkom: I'm also installing it on the default location. | 12:08 |
| n900-space | Venemo: when i do a "mad set fremantle-1030", it says target is not installed. | 12:08 |
| n900-space | So how do i install it? | 12:08 |
| Venemo | n900-space: I'm not sure what that command does | 12:09 |
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| Venemo | n900-space: for me, it simply works after installation | 12:09 |
| n900-space | or, how do you set target? Or when you do "mad list" do you get any target that is set to "default" | 12:09 |
| n900-space | yes it used to work seemlessly with the 1.0 nokia sdk, but now it doesnt | 12:10 |
| n900-space | :( | 12:10 |
| Venemo | mad-list says that "fremantle-pr12" is the default for me | 12:10 |
| n900-space | aha | 12:10 |
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| n900-space | Why dont they give a proper help for madde? | 12:11 |
| Venemo | n900-space: they do | 12:11 |
| n900-space | I mean is there a proper help page with all commands completely listed? | 12:11 |
| Venemo | n900-space: what does "mad list" say to you? | 12:11 |
| n900-space | I know one, but it only works if your "default" is already set, then everything is fine. | 12:11 |
| n900-space | well my mad list is this | 12:12 |
| n900-space | Targets: | 12:12 |
| n900-space | fremantle-1030 (installable) | 12:12 |
| n900-space | maemo412-1 (installable) | 12:12 |
| n900-space | Runtimes: | 12:12 |
| n900-space | qemu-n900-pr12 (installable) | 12:12 |
| Venemo | so it is screwed up, hm. | 12:12 |
| n900-space | is it? | 12:12 |
| Venemo | I dunno. | 12:12 |
| Venemo | mine says: | 12:12 |
| Venemo | Targets: | 12:13 |
| Venemo | fremantle-pr12 (default) | 12:13 |
| Venemo | maemo412-1 (installable) | 12:13 |
| Venemo | Runtimes: | 12:13 |
| Venemo | rx51-fremantle-pr12 (default) | 12:13 |
| n900-space | where is the proper madde documentation? | 12:13 |
| alterego | There's documentation? | 12:13 |
| n900-space | madde documentation :) | 12:13 |
| n900-space | is there ? | 12:13 |
| n900-space | :) | 12:13 |
| n900-space | this page http://wiki.forum.nokia.com/index.php/Getting_started_with_MADDE_on_Windows is no help .. so basic | 12:15 |
| Venemo | n900-space: http://wiki.maemo.org/MADDE | 12:15 |
| Venemo | n900-space: you may also want to download MADDE itself from tablets-dev | 12:16 |
| n900-space | thanks Venemo | 12:16 |
| n900-space | yes but then how does it work, i mean there is going to be one installed with the nokia sdk and one downloaded seperately. Its confusing for me | 12:17 |
| n900-space | I have a whole huge folder of madde inside nokia sdk | 12:17 |
| TermanaDesire | n900-space: stop spamming the room. I can scroll up and see two screens of basically you on seperate lines. Join sentences to one line and pastebin code, errors etc. Thanks :) | 12:18 |
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| n900-space | oh sorry ... | 12:19 |
| Venemo | n900-space: yeah. you can either uninstall that completely, or just use the one that you can install separately | 12:19 |
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| n900-space | aha | 12:20 |
| n900-space | sigh | 12:20 |
| n900-space | okk tell me one thing. | 12:20 |
| Venemo | n900-space: I for one will uninstall the Nokia Qt SDK completely. Since I use a newer Qt Creator nightly along with the separately downloadable MADDE... | 12:21 |
| n900-space | Say I download the source code of xchat from maemo.org repositories, and now i want to compile it. | 12:21 |
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| n900-space | Will I somehow open it in qt creator, or just compile and build and deploy from the madde console? How do people do it? | 12:21 |
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| alterego | Oooo, mobility 1.1.0 | 12:24 |
| Venemo | n900-space: XChat is not Qt-based. | 12:25 |
| Venemo | n900-space: so Qt Creator may not be able to do that job for you | 12:25 |
| n900-space | hmm | 12:26 |
| n900-space | sigh | 12:27 |
| n900-space | means a lot of time online for all this :) | 12:27 |
| n900-space | thank you guys :) | 12:28 |
| Venemo | n900-space: it might (I for one successfully used it for some Gtk stuff), but I dunno | 12:28 |
| n900-space | Venemo: that madde help page is helpful thanks, I can finally *install* a new target I think :) | 12:28 |
| Venemo | n900-space: I'm happy I could help | 12:28 |
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| lcuk | Venemo, you are MADDE using mad to build all extra stuff, but that sort of experimentation is awesome | 12:38 |
| n900-space | please explain lcuk | 12:39 |
| lcuk | n900-space, Venemo knows exactly what I mean, I think hes awesome for pushing what MADDE can do inside it | 12:40 |
| alterego | Well, if you plan on uplkoading to extras, scratchbox is somewhat better suited as it's the same environment the autobuilder uses. | 12:40 |
| Chani | oh boy. | 12:40 |
| lcuk | alterego, sure | 12:40 |
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| timeless_mbp | alterego: eh? | 12:40 |
| alterego | But madde is fun | 12:40 |
| * Chani was thinking of trying out madde next | 12:40 | |
| timeless_mbp | doesn't MADDE use scratchbox? | 12:40 |
| Venemo | lcuk: yeah, as the application's name suggests, I am a "mad developer" :D | 12:41 |
| alterego | timeless_mbp: erm, no | 12:41 |
| Venemo | timeless_mbp: nope. | 12:41 |
| mece | kubuntu mobile.. could be sweet | 12:41 |
| alterego | timeless_mbp: madde is it's own toolchain and root image. | 12:41 |
| alterego | Doesn't use chroot | 12:41 |
| timeless_mbp | so it's classic cross compile? | 12:41 |
| alterego | timeless_mbp: yeah | 12:41 |
| timeless_mbp | oops | 12:41 |
| alterego | Not as much wacky magick | 12:41 |
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| * timeless_mbp grumbles | 12:43 | |
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| n900-space | hmm | 12:44 |
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| sivang | morninga | 12:53 |
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| sivang | or rather morning | 12:53 |
| Venemo | sivang: good morning | 12:53 |
| sivang | timeless_mbp: back at mbp | 12:53 |
| sivang | morning Venemo | 12:54 |
| timeless_mbp | yep | 12:54 |
| timeless_mbp | phone's dead | 12:54 |
| timeless_mbp | it forgot to get a charger | 12:55 |
| sivang | ah | 12:55 |
| timeless_mbp | home sweet starving | 12:55 |
| sivang | no food at home? | 12:55 |
| timeless_mbp | no charger plugged into the power strip for the phone | 12:55 |
| sivang | ah | 12:55 |
| timeless_mbp | my mac was unhappy when i came back, i had left the strip unplugged so the mac starved while i was away | 12:55 |
| sivang | ah, I see | 12:56 |
| * timeless_mbp goes to feed phone | 12:56 | |
| Venemo | I'd like to install the latest fennec nightly, but I get "E: Handler silently failed" from apt-get | 12:56 |
| sivang | I hate when it happens. Sometimes it makes the battery die | 12:56 |
| lcuk | timeless_mbp, did any of the UK accents make you giggle more than others? | 12:56 |
| Venemo | what can I do about this? | 12:56 |
| timeless_mbp | lcuk: some were really hard to understand | 12:56 |
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| timeless_mbp | like N.I. (bus driver) having just gotten off the boat | 12:56 |
| timeless_mbp | (from Scotland) | 12:56 |
| lcuk | heads up display showing subtitles might be good for future generations! :D | 12:57 |
| jacekowski | welsh is hard to understand | 12:58 |
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| timeless_mbp | ignoring the bus driver... | 12:59 |
| timeless_mbp | i think i had more trouble w/ accents of women than men | 12:59 |
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| timeless_mbp | (17-40) | 13:02 |
| timeless_mbp | that might be because the women were often talking to eachother or other locals | 13:02 |
| timeless_mbp | whereas i was generally speaking directly with individual men | 13:02 |
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| Khertan_ | Hi ! | 13:12 |
| Venemo | hey Khertan_ ! | 13:12 |
| Khertan_ | Does ovi store is wronking for you ? | 13:13 |
| Khertan_ | i ll like to test Kroll | 13:13 |
| Khertan_ | s/wronking/working | 13:13 |
| Khertan_ | but ovistore said there is no content in all category | 13:13 |
| Venemo | Khertan_: weird | 13:13 |
| Khertan_ | s/category/categories | 13:13 |
| Khertan_ | hi Venemo | 13:14 |
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| * Khertan_ hate ovistore ... why they didn't put Kroll on the maemo repository ! | 13:36 | |
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| timeless_mbp | sp3000: you @lunch? | 13:44 |
| * timeless_mbp didn't quite wake up properly | 13:44 | |
| timeless_mbp | :( | 13:44 |
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| sp3000 | lunched already | 13:45 |
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| timeless_mbp | did you make it to 9am? | 13:46 |
| sp3000 | sure | 13:46 |
| timeless_mbp | hrm, picasa said copying 205 of 204 files... | 13:46 |
| jani | was there anything interesting in the 9am meeting ? | 13:47 |
| timeless_mbp | i wasn't there | 13:48 |
| timeless_mbp | but it shouldn't be discussed here | 13:48 |
| timeless_mbp | maybe i can invite people to an afternoon tea :) | 13:48 |
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| tybollt | timeless_mbp: will there be cookies? | 13:51 |
| timeless_mbp | i didn't pick up any on this trip ;( | 13:52 |
| timeless_mbp | but yeah, i can probably spring for some | 13:52 |
| Termana | timeless, and Nigerian Dog Attacks? | 13:52 |
| timeless_mbp | do i want to know? | 13:53 |
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| Termana | timeless, are you bringing some NDAs to your little tea party? | 13:56 |
| timeless_mbp | tea would be served on the ground floor | 13:57 |
| timeless_mbp | so technically any visitor is able to visit | 13:57 |
| timeless_mbp | but you're supposed to have a host and a guest badge | 13:57 |
| timeless_mbp | since i don't know anything, someone else would have to bring the other stuff | 13:57 |
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| jani | ground floor calling, i need a doze of freshly burned nicotine.. | 14:00 |
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| timeless_mbp | hrm, i'm 15mins away | 14:02 |
| timeless_mbp | (not counting time to import my photo album) | 14:03 |
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| jani | btw, is creating merge requests always *slow* in gitorious ? | 14:03 |
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| Venemo | jani, gitorious is always slow | 14:03 |
| timeless_mbp | jani: i don't really know what gitorious merge requests *do* | 14:04 |
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| jani | omg. i just started to hate gitorious. i need that break right now. | 14:06 |
| timeless_mbp | well, i've imported another 1/2gb of photos | 14:07 |
| timeless_mbp | i guess i could visit the tea center | 14:07 |
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| Venemo | "apt-get install fennec" -> "E: Handler silently failed" :((( | 14:08 |
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| Venemo | wtf is this error message? | 14:08 |
| timeless_mbp | try dpkg -i w/ partial/archives? | 14:09 |
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| Venemo | timeless_mbp: I'm sorry? | 14:10 |
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| famicom | c | 14:22 |
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| Khertan_ | Nokia-N900:~# apt-get install kroll Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done E: Handler silently failed | 15:26 |
| Khertan_ | lol any idea ? | 15:26 |
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| crashanddie | Khertan_, try with apt-get -v install kroll | 15:30 |
| crashanddie | or -V | 15:30 |
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| Khertan_ | crashanddie: thx i'll try once apt-get update finish his job :) | 15:34 |
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| crashanddie | its job :) | 15:34 |
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| Khertan_ | crashanddie: but it didn't do its job well | 15:35 |
| Khertan_ | :) | 15:35 |
| Khertan_ | http://pastebin.com/JHAQLv5q | 15:36 |
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| jacktheripper | can't I choose a file (or filesystem) on the N900 to expose instead of MyDocs when connected to a computer through USB ? | 15:37 |
| crashanddie | no | 15:38 |
| jacktheripper | no as in impossible, or no as in complicated ? | 15:38 |
| mgedmin | almost nothing is impossible in software | 15:38 |
| jacktheripper | that's what I think. | 15:38 |
| jacktheripper | and that's also why I'm checking ke-recv's source. | 15:39 |
| mgedmin | what problem are you trying to solve? | 15:39 |
| jacktheripper | a linux rescue livecd that's stored on my phone and that can boot whatever computer. | 15:40 |
| mgedmin | solvable | 15:40 |
| mgedmin | should be | 15:40 |
| crashanddie | jacktheripper, i guess you could mount something else to /home/user/MyDocs | 15:40 |
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| crashanddie | just mount an iso instead | 15:40 |
| jacktheripper | I'll try that | 15:41 |
| crashanddie | root; umount /home/user/MyDocs; mount -o loop myfile.iso /home/user/MyDocs | 15:41 |
| mgedmin | I used this recipe to make a bootable USB flash drive that boots an ISO image from a file in it: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1288604 | 15:41 |
| crashanddie | don't know what the behaviour will be though. | 15:41 |
| mgedmin | crashanddie, won't work | 15:41 |
| mgedmin | I'm 85% sure | 15:41 |
| jacktheripper | mgedmin, that's probably possible, but the boot files right on MyDocs would look dirty I think. That would be my final resort. I'm trying to have the choice to choose any ISO to mount and expose to a computer. | 15:42 |
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| jacktheripper | or any filesystem image. | 15:43 |
| mgedmin | jacktheripper, do you have a spare USB flash drive? | 15:43 |
| jacktheripper | sure | 15:43 |
| mgedmin | can you try dd'ing the ISO image into it and booting from it? | 15:43 |
| mgedmin | this needs special support from the ISO image, AFAIU | 15:43 |
| mgedmin | e.g. Fedora's ISOs can be booted that way, Ubuntu's can't | 15:43 |
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| jacktheripper | I remember that :/ | 15:44 |
| mgedmin | so, if you've got an ISO image that can be booted directly, I suppose it should be possible to have a n900 map its USB mass storage device blocks directly to a file | 15:44 |
| mgedmin | I wonder how that's done ... | 15:44 |
| mgedmin | if the kernel needs a block device to export, you could always create a temporary loopback | 15:44 |
| jaska | change the usb module to claim its an usb cd/dvd drive?:) | 15:45 |
| jacktheripper | and it'd be even better to fool a computer into thinking it's a usb optical drive | 15:45 |
| jacktheripper | yes! | 15:45 |
| jacktheripper | but to complicated | 15:45 |
| jacktheripper | *too | 15:45 |
| mgedmin | should be a fun project if you have a couple of months free time | 15:46 |
| jacktheripper | I tried changing the dev file in the shell scripts that are responsible for USB Mass Storage. It fails, saying device in use. | 15:46 |
| jaska | or do something like what qemu does with vfat hd emulation to export a directory as a vfat hd | 15:46 |
| jacktheripper | I'd say it fails during mounting a loopback with vfat options. | 15:46 |
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| mgedmin | jaska, ooooh | 15:53 |
| mgedmin | but that still wouldn't let two OSes use the same directory at the same time | 15:53 |
| Khertan_ | crashanddie: lol no apt didn't find package kroll | 15:53 |
| Khertan_ | ovi store is a major failure ! | 15:53 |
| jaska | mgedmin, sortof.. perhaps if the vfat device pretends its removable so the "other" device using it doesnt write cache | 15:53 |
| jaska | not sure how windows etc. react to a filesystem they think is a block device changes underneath them :) | 15:53 |
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| * jaska shivers at the thought of doing the vfat emulator in kernelspace | 15:55 | |
| jacktheripper | bah I'll just use unetbootin with an ubuntu image on MyDocs, I have explored the sources for too long. | 15:55 |
| jaska | i guess bioses cant boot from usb-cdc network device yet?:) | 15:56 |
| mgedmin | is that the one that extracts the contents of the live CD all over your VFAT? | 15:56 |
| mgedmin | that sort of clutter is why I started figuring out how to convince grub to chain-boot an ISO image | 15:56 |
| MohammadAG51 | using squashfs? | 15:56 |
| jaska | hmm... booting from a n900 over usb networking would be interesting | 15:57 |
| MohammadAG51 | just use vfat | 15:57 |
| MohammadAG51 | it's not really interesting :P | 15:57 |
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| jaska | well, for certain values of interesting | 15:58 |
| jaska | i doubt any bios supports it | 15:58 |
| jacktheripper | is the MMC's lifetime only decreased by writes ? | 15:58 |
| hrw | who remember my 2009.51 system-updates repository? | 15:59 |
| Arkenoi | what is recommended os for 770 now? i found 2007he to be best fit two years ago (2008 was unstable due to lack of resources), did anything change since then? | 15:59 |
| hrw | Arkenoi: I would say os2006 | 15:59 |
| hrw | never liked 2007he on 770 - it was hard to fit it in 64MB ram | 16:00 |
| hrw | Setting up mp-fremantle-generic-pr (10.2010.19-1.hrw1) ... | 16:00 |
| hrw | now I can produce updates ;D | 16:00 |
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| RST38h | You too, Brutus? =) | 16:01 |
| Arkenoi | hrw: 2007he appears reasonably stable for me | 16:01 |
| hrw | Arkenoi: without swap? | 16:01 |
| Arkenoi | with some swap on mmc | 16:01 |
| MohammadAG51 | i want 2009HE | 16:01 |
| RST38h | 2011HE | 16:01 |
| hrw | Arkenoi: I still have only that 64MB rs-mmc which was added | 16:01 |
| hrw | MeeGo 2.0 '770' edition | 16:02 |
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| _trine | has anyone any idea why my petrovich wont open the folder when I start it,, it appears to attempt to start then just falls back to the n900 desktop and does nothing | 16:19 |
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| crashanddie | play with it, stroke it, feed it. | 16:20 |
| RST38h | <yawn> | 16:20 |
| MohammadAG51 | <spawn> | 16:21 |
| pupnik | what's the simple, transparent way to send audio from laptop to stereo system? | 16:21 |
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| crashanddie | pupnik, a cable | 16:22 |
| MohammadAG51 | a transparent one | 16:22 |
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| xkr47 | :D | 16:22 |
| pupnik | that's what i'm using now. i like the latency | 16:22 |
| crashanddie | latency should be near nill | 16:22 |
| xkr47 | earlyency | 16:22 |
| crashanddie | unless your soundcard was built in the 60s | 16:22 |
| MohammadAG51 | what's the best way to route mic audio to speakers | 16:23 |
| Termana | crashanddie has plenty of those, that's how he knows | 16:23 |
| MohammadAG51 | other than calling echo123 using skype | 16:23 |
| Termana | :p | 16:23 |
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| xkr47 | MohammadAG51, sox I guess | 16:23 |
| MohammadAG51 | sox? | 16:23 |
| MohammadAG51 | i thought those were for xmas | 16:23 |
| pupnik | if you had a 770 hooked to stereo aux-in, how would you route laptop audio to it? | 16:24 |
| xkr47 | sox is season-agnostic | 16:24 |
| Termana | MohammadAG51, I have a much better solution than xkr47 | 16:24 |
| Termana | xkr47 solution is wimpy | 16:24 |
| MohammadAG51 | Termana, oh boy | 16:24 |
| Termana | Here's what you need to do | 16:24 |
| * MohammadAG51 expects trolling | 16:24 | |
| * xkr47 pulls sox on his head and hides | 16:24 | |
| Termana | Get 2 N900s | 16:25 |
| Termana | Then you need to call one of those N900s | 16:25 |
| MohammadAG51 | sometimes... i wish i had +o | 16:25 |
| Termana | from the other one | 16:25 |
| * MohammadAG51 kicks Termana in the nuts | 16:25 | |
| Termana | plug a double ended cable from the speaker hole on one of them into your microphone jack | 16:25 |
| MohammadAG51 | there isn't a mic jack | 16:26 |
| crashanddie | sure there is | 16:26 |
| MohammadAG51 | any | 16:26 |
| Termana | Fine, just put it on speaker | 16:26 |
| Termana | So your microphone picks the sound up | 16:26 |
| * MohammadAG51 takes a flamethrower a shoves it in Termana's bum | 16:26 | |
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| * MohammadAG51 opens fire | 16:26 | |
| Termana | MohammadAG51, anyway, aren't you suppose to be dead? | 16:27 |
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| Termana | Someone on t.m.o said you were dead | 16:27 |
| Termana | ;P | 16:27 |
| MohammadAG51 | yeah, seen it | 16:27 |
| crashanddie | lolwut? | 16:27 |
| MohammadAG51 | i'm a zombie process | 16:27 |
| xkr47 | t.m.o = trackmania original | 16:27 |
| xkr47 | also, MohammadAG51 do you play team fortress 2 ? ;) | 16:28 |
| MohammadAG51 | or too much orgy, oops | 16:28 |
| MohammadAG51 | xkr47, nope, it looks childish :P | 16:28 |
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| crashanddie | btw, MohammadAG51 any new replies on the faux-kernel-driver-hacker thread? | 16:28 |
| MohammadAG51 | not that i've noticed | 16:28 |
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| MohammadAG51 | xkr47, cod on the other hand... | 16:29 |
| xkr47 | what are your favourite sites for browsing maemo5 apps ? | 16:30 |
| MohammadAG51 | maemo.org | 16:30 |
| SpeedEvil | 4chan | 16:30 |
| crashanddie | xkr47, IRC | 16:30 |
| Termana | Maemo 5 apps? | 16:30 |
| Termana | I didn't know there was any | 16:30 |
| Termana | YEEEAAHHHH... | 16:30 |
| Scelt | xkr47: http://nokian900applications.com | 16:30 |
| crashanddie | there were | 16:30 |
| Termana | crashanddie, until the repos stopped working at least | 16:31 |
| Termana | ;P | 16:31 |
| xkr47 | 16:30:54 Ignoring ALL from Termana | 16:31 |
| crashanddie | Termana, "there were any" | 16:31 |
| MohammadAG51 | crashanddie, i can haz op? | 16:31 |
| xkr47 | Scelt, thx | 16:31 |
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| Termana | crashanddie, thanks, at least I know I always have you to correct my sentences | 16:31 |
| Termana | Here we go | 16:31 |
| * Termana gets ready to feel the pain of the kickhammer | 16:31 | |
| *** Termana was kicked by MohammadAG51 (I've been wanting to do this for a long, long time :P) | 16:31 | |
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| MohammadAG51 | /kick crashanddie backstab! | 16:32 |
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| xkr47 | bet someone could make a censored cartoon of this event | 16:32 |
| * Khertan_ have finally found a work around to download kroll from this bugged ovistore | 16:32 | |
| Termana | That has satisfied your needs for the day I suppose MohammadAG51? ;p | 16:32 |
| Vertig0 | Is Ovistore accessable in MeeGo at this point? | 16:32 |
| MohammadAG51 | Termana, nah, a month or 4 i'd say | 16:32 |
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| MohammadAG51 | i wonder what crashanddie would've done if i kicked him | 16:33 |
| Khertan_ | Vertig0: yep if the browser works but it ll be useless :) | 16:33 |
| crashanddie | add a "veto MohammadAG51 becoming an op process" to my todo list. | 16:33 |
| Vertig0 | Ok :) | 16:33 |
| RST38h | MohammadAG: Badmouth you, threaten your health, then ban you? | 16:33 |
| MohammadAG51 | veto? | 16:33 |
| _trine | no matter what I seem to try petrovich refuses to do anything ,, any ideas anyone? | 16:34 |
| MohammadAG51 | he wouldn't ban me, he'd lose his op if he did :P | 16:34 |
| crashanddie | eh? | 16:34 |
| Stskeeps | MohammadAG51: x-fade's on vacation | 16:34 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 16:34 |
| crashanddie | I would lose a pain in the but | 16:34 |
| Termana | RST38h, I was thinking more like secure him, being a security expert and all | 16:34 |
| Termana | ;P | 16:34 |
| MohammadAG51 | why use petrovich when you can use the file manager | 16:34 |
| MohammadAG51 | Stskeeps, err, f*ck | 16:34 |
| * MohammadAG51 runs | 16:35 | |
| MohammadAG51 | crashanddie, i'd expect someone like you to know the difference between buts and butts | 16:35 |
| crashanddie | crap | 16:35 |
| crashanddie | now I wrote butt to my manager | 16:36 |
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| MohammadAG51 | lies! | 16:36 |
| MohammadAG51 | :P | 16:36 |
| _trine | MohammadAG51, well it was working and now it isnt ,, it may be something to do with the large amount of files I copied to the phone last night ,, perhaps I have a file stsem problem | 16:36 |
| crashanddie | It's a good thing he doesn't understand english... | 16:36 |
| Termana | crashanddie, At least you told him the truth - "I like big butts and I cannot lie!" | 16:36 |
| MohammadAG51 | butt = mouth | 16:36 |
| crashanddie | I don't actually | 16:36 |
| MohammadAG51 | then ask him to invite his wife for dinner | 16:36 |
| MohammadAG51 | I got big booty bitches, big booty bitches | 16:37 |
| MohammadAG51 | damn that song's epic | 16:37 |
| crashanddie | mate, this may be France, but I don't think inviting someone else's wife out for dinner is considered a nice thing to do between colleagues... | 16:37 |
| MohammadAG51 | crashanddie, I didn't say you'd have to be with them | 16:37 |
| MohammadAG51 | just tell him that butt = mouth, he'll do the rest of the fun stuff xD | 16:38 |
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| crashanddie | You do realise I have to pay the bills and stuff | 16:39 |
| MohammadAG51 | lol | 16:39 |
| crashanddie | MohammadAG51, I'm not living the student life anymore, where electricity is included in the rent | 16:39 |
| MohammadAG51 | electricity isn't included in rent here :P | 16:39 |
| crashanddie | so you pay electricity at home? | 16:40 |
| MohammadAG51 | i was referring to student life :P | 16:41 |
| MohammadAG51 | though i'm not living in a rent house | 16:41 |
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| _trine | how can I check the integrity of Mydocs folder | 16:43 |
| MohammadAG51 | umount /home/user/MyDocs | 16:43 |
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| lcuk | leave a file containing $5000 on the root and see if Mydocs folder steals it | 16:44 |
| MohammadAG51 | fsck.vfat -a /dev/mmcblk0p1 | 16:44 |
| MohammadAG51 | lol lcuk | 16:44 |
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| Termana | lol | 16:46 |
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| _trine | still no luck I have checked the FS reinstalled petrovich and rebooted but still it does not open the files and start | 16:51 |
| _trine | I cant think of anything else to check | 16:52 |
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| _trine | Is it possible to reinstall the blue tooth drives on the n900 | 16:52 |
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| _trine | drivers* | 16:53 |
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| crashanddie | MohammadAG51, You utter PILLOCK | 16:55 |
| * MohammadAG51 opens up google translate | 16:55 | |
| crashanddie | MohammadAG51, you bloody trigger happy clot | 16:55 |
| Khertan_ | someone know what it s the timezone of maemo.org/packages QA Quarantine ends: ENDED 2010-10-04 13:45 | 16:55 |
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| crashanddie | wrong ubtton | 16:56 |
| Khertan_ | :) | 16:56 |
| MohammadAG51 | hmm, shit | 16:56 |
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| _trine | crashanddie, if you are not going to behave yourself you should be kicked | 16:56 |
| crashanddie | MohammadAG51, you fecking idiot, you couldn't even open up the .rar file to see if it even included the injection driver? | 16:56 |
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| crashanddie | _trine, oh right, sorry | 16:56 |
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| crashanddie | </sarcasm> | 16:57 |
| MohammadAG51 | Noun for Idiot, fool. Originally a slang term for the penis but fairly inoffensive now its this meaning has been forgotten. Derog. ref British Slang Dictionary | 16:57 |
| MohammadAG51 | that's a new word | 16:57 |
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| MohammadAG51 | crashanddie, the rar has an install file that points to a repo | 16:57 |
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| MohammadAG51 | which doesn't have any source, i don't care about injection drivers, he's breaking the gpl unless he upps a source | 16:58 |
| crashanddie | hmm | 16:59 |
| Termana | I think I'm going to call the Cyber Police | 17:00 |
| crashanddie | MohammadAG51, I have his phone number :D | 17:00 |
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| crashanddie | and address | 17:01 |
| MohammadAG51 | mine is in the maemo irc logs, somewhere | 17:01 |
| RST38h | maemos.ru claims PR1.3 coming in October | 17:01 |
| MohammadAG51 | it is | 17:01 |
| MohammadAG51 | October 2010 | 17:02 |
| GAN900 | RST38h, it is or it's never coming. | 17:02 |
| MohammadAG51 | but | 17:02 |
| RST38h | GAN: Why? | 17:02 |
| MohammadAG51 | can someone at nokia please a trolololo boot screen? | 17:02 |
| RST38h | Are they closing down all Maemo development in October? | 17:02 |
| RST38h | Mohammad: Better make a trololo tmo skin | 17:02 |
| MohammadAG51 | or a "We Are Maemo, and we pronouce it like this, THE END" | 17:03 |
| MohammadAG51 | fail | 17:03 |
| MohammadAG51 | "We Are Maemo, and we pronouce PR1.3 like this, THE END" | 17:03 |
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| pupnik | they need that happy 60's orchestra sound for meego ads | 17:04 |
| Termana | maemo.org should go down on the 1st of April with a page that says "Shutdown forever" and then redirect in 5 seconds to a trololololo video | 17:04 |
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| crashanddie | Termana, or rather... an ironic "Never gonna give you up, never gonna let you down..." | 17:05 |
| Termana | lol :p | 17:05 |
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| sivang | what's theat Trololololo video? | 17:09 |
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| Termana | sivang, I am disappoint | 17:09 |
| sivang | Termana: I apologize, been having a bad day | 17:09 |
| Termana | sivang, my favourite version: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Z4m4lnjxkY - the sing along! But I am disappointed because you have missed out on the whole internet meme | 17:11 |
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| RST38h | Hmm, N8 seems to be having problems focusing | 17:13 |
| Termana | sivang, also, don't apologise, I was kidding ;P - I just don't have a life :P | 17:13 |
| Termana | RST38h, it already had a problem before that | 17:13 |
| RST38h | *Or* Eldar Murtazin is shaking every time he holds this piece-of-shit-nokia-product in his puffy hands | 17:13 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: he's wanking at the same time | 17:14 |
| Termana | Stskeeps, lol | 17:14 |
| RST38h | Stskeeps: I am almost inclined to believe it | 17:14 |
| pupnik | i'm not sure eldar is qualified to review a camera at all | 17:14 |
| RST38h | pupnik: Well, he made photos and put them up for comparison | 17:14 |
| MohammadAG51 | Stskeeps, I believe the word wanking doesn't nelong here, take it to the fapman thread | 17:14 |
| Termana | pupnik, I'm not sure Eldar is qualified to review anything | 17:14 |
| Stskeeps | MohammadAG51: not helping | 17:15 |
| RST38h | pupnik: His commentary is kinda worthless, but the samples are of some interest of course | 17:15 |
| sivang | Termana: Not that I do :) I occasionally do miss the whole internet meme - Not sure how I manage to do that, but after being told about something I go and read about it and use it after everybody else already forgot about it and then considered old-school :-p </teens-of-the-eighties> | 17:15 |
| MohammadAG51 | eldar is only qualified to bitch about thigs | 17:15 |
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| MohammadAG51 | i remember he said the N97 was awesome, it was shit | 17:15 |
| MohammadAG51 | N900 was shit, it was awesome | 17:15 |
| pupnik | my first high tech portable was a casette walkman | 17:15 |
| MohammadAG51 | mine was an atari :p | 17:16 |
| RST38h | Anyways, samples here: http://www.mobile-review.com/review/nokia-n8-camera.shtml | 17:16 |
| sivang | mine was a spectra video and an atari | 17:16 |
| RST38h | iPhone 4 is postprocessing like crazy, BTW | 17:16 |
| sivang | atari for playing games, spectra video for BASIC programming | 17:16 |
| pupnik | yes it is | 17:16 |
| MohammadAG51 | RST38h, indeed | 17:16 |
| RST38h | The MSX-comparible SVI or their own design? | 17:17 |
| MohammadAG51 | i've tried one, the effects are irreversible | 17:17 |
| pupnik | RST38h: the n8 is almost unique in the amount of dynamic range it preserves in photos - i don't know another phone that comes close | 17:17 |
| sivang | Termana: they guy in the video is Frankenstein? | 17:17 |
| RST38h | pupnik: I have not found anything unique in the samepls I have seen | 17:17 |
| Termana | sivang, no, what made you say that? :p | 17:17 |
| RST38h | pupnik: It isn't bad though, for a phone. Apparently has problem focusing. | 17:17 |
| pupnik | look for blown highlights and loss of shadow detail in competitors RST38h | 17:18 |
| sivang | Termana: he's horrific | 17:18 |
| sivang | RST38h: you bought one? | 17:18 |
| crashanddie | fuck me, the n8 makes horrible low-light pictures | 17:18 |
| Termana | sivang, watch out his last name is Khil. He'll Khill you | 17:18 |
| sivang | RST38h: these some niftly looking photos | 17:18 |
| RST38h | pupnik: Probably has other typical problems (low optical resolution, going pinkish in cloudy weather, going grayish in low light, etc) | 17:18 |
| sivang | HEHE | 17:18 |
| Termana | Khil* | 17:18 |
| jaska | khil phil | 17:19 |
| RST38h | sivang: me? no. | 17:19 |
| pupnik | RST38h: i don't think the n8 focuses at all | 17:19 |
| RST38h | pupnik: That would be weird | 17:19 |
| MohammadAG51 | pupnik, it does focus | 17:19 |
| sivang | RST38h: you wrote this russian article? | 17:19 |
| RST38h | sivang: No. | 17:19 |
| crashanddie | pupnik & RST38h: I'm thinking Eldar has parkinson's, he shakes all over the place | 17:19 |
| pupnik | oh i'm wrong | 17:19 |
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| MohammadAG51 | OMG RST38h IS ELDAR | 17:19 |
| pupnik | it's the e7 with fixed focus | 17:19 |
| sivang | that's eldar? | 17:19 |
| sivang | who's eldar? | 17:19 |
| * RST38h sighs | 17:19 | |
| * sivang misses yet another interenet meme | 17:20 | |
| MohammadAG51 | eldarmurtazin | 17:20 |
| pupnik | http://nokiafanboy.com/2010/09/17/nokia-n8-vs-nokia-e7-the-comparisson-on-two-symbian3-monster/ | 17:20 |
| RST38h | sivang: Google, for Tentacled's sake... | 17:20 |
| * sivang googes | 17:20 | |
| MohammadAG51 | a guy who gets all nokias early | 17:20 |
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| MohammadAG51 | and makes them look like shit | 17:20 |
| MohammadAG51 | just for the heck of it | 17:20 |
| MohammadAG51 | i wonder if he has a job | 17:20 |
| RST38h | pupnik: I would not believe anything at nokiafanboy.com :) | 17:20 |
| _trine | has no one any idea about how i can get petrovich working again on my n900 | 17:20 |
| MohammadAG51 | use filebox | 17:21 |
| RST38h | pupnik: nor would I, of course, believe mobile-review, for obvious reasons | 17:21 |
| * MohammadAG51 wouldn't believe Apple.com | 17:21 | |
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| pupnik | you can believe the published specs of a released phone. stfu | 17:22 |
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| RST38h | pupnik: Wouldn't believe even that | 17:22 |
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| RST38h | pupnik: They usually omit important stuff ;) | 17:22 |
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| crashanddie | crap, again. | 17:22 |
| RST38h | pupnik: Like N900 optics having worse resolution than its sensor | 17:23 |
| sivang | what's the deal with the video? | 17:23 |
| sivang | why is it an interenet meme? | 17:23 |
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| pupnik | good point RST38h | 17:24 |
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| crashanddie | RST38h, that's actually quite common | 17:24 |
| lcuk | RST38h, huh? optics being analog lens | 17:24 |
| lcuk | that has no concept of resolution or pixels? | 17:25 |
| crashanddie | lcuk, sure they do | 17:25 |
| RST38h | lcuk: oh you can make a lens in many different ways ;) | 17:25 |
| RST38h | lcuk: But for the purpose of experiment, do this: | 17:25 |
| pupnik | i forgot how the lens limits resolution | 17:25 |
| RST38h | lcuk: Walk outside, focus your N900 on some far-away building with a lot of detail (appartment blocks will do) and make a shot | 17:26 |
| RST38h | lcuk: Choose the best available weather (have you still got sun there? :)) | 17:26 |
| RST38h | lcuk: Once you make the shot, zoom all the way in and see what the details of those buildings look like | 17:26 |
| sivang | Termana: ^^ | 17:26 |
| RST38h | lcuk: I can almost bet you will not see any detail at all, just spots | 17:26 |
| crashanddie | RST38h, not really an accurate description of MTF, but well... | 17:26 |
| RST38h | crashanddie: Well, I am going for a practical test | 17:27 |
| lcuk | RST38h, its digital zoom and camera sensors are noisy since they are small. thats known anyway? | 17:27 |
| lcuk | but not related to the lens optics | 17:27 |
| crashanddie | RST38h, plus, that test can be buggered by weird ISO and poor processing on the N900's part. | 17:27 |
| RST38h | lcuk: Do not use digital zoom. Use the best available weather. | 17:27 |
| sivang | is there a video of Murtazin somewhere? | 17:27 |
| RST38h | lcuk: So, no digizoom. No noise to speak about (hell, configure FCamera to use smallest ISO) | 17:27 |
| RST38h | lcuk: You will STILL get garbage. Try it. | 17:28 |
| pupnik | good camera lenses need more depth than people are willing to pocket in a cell phone | 17:28 |
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| Termana | sivang, http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/trololo-edward-hill-russian-rickroll - you may need to bookmark knowyourmeme ;) :p | 17:28 |
| sivang | nokia published in the official blog that he has unlawufully obtained Nokia devices | 17:28 |
| RST38h | lcuk: Please note that even our little family Casio (whose main selling feature was "makes Youtube videos") will pass this test quite nicely | 17:28 |
| sivang | Termana: great! Now I will never miss a meme again | 17:28 |
| lcuk | hubble takes amazing pixtures with its 1mpixel sensor | 17:28 |
| _trine | MohammadAG51, I have just tried to install filebox and the n900 refused ,, it said some application packages required for the installation are missing | 17:29 |
| lcuk | because it has pels about 4 metres each :D | 17:29 |
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| lcuk | RST38h, i dont know what I am looking for | 17:29 |
| lcuk | join in with the crowds and post a blog | 17:29 |
| lcuk | showing the issue | 17:29 |
| RST38h | lcuk: You know what I think of blogs. I will get you an image of this though. | 17:30 |
| crashanddie | lcuk, MTF describes how much of the subject brightness (which varies tremendously) is being sent through to the sensor. More info at: http://www.schneiderkreuznach.com/knowhow/opt_quali_e.htm | 17:30 |
| lcuk | and get one that doesnt show it from your other camera | 17:30 |
| pupnik | i want to see a camera mfgr ballsy enough to do another side-oriented camera that can have a 2-3cm deep zoom optics | 17:30 |
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| lcuk | to be honest tho, i just use the camera and take happy shots | 17:30 |
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| sivang | Termana: very nice, I'll RSS | 17:31 |
| lcuk | lots of photos and not noticed anything that makes me go "arghhh" | 17:31 |
| crashanddie | lcuk, look at my latest tweet to Jussi | 17:31 |
| sivang | Rickrolled! | 17:31 |
| RST38h | lcuk: A lot of people are incapable of being permanently happy | 17:32 |
| pupnik | Have any of you seen the n8 video? How is it for tearing/wobblies? | 17:32 |
| RST38h | lcuk: In fact, I would call permanent unconditional happiness a psychological deviation :) | 17:32 |
| lcuk | RST38h, I didnt mean like that | 17:32 |
| lcuk | http://liqbase.net/20100921_020.jpg | 17:32 |
| crashanddie | pupnik, just like most sensors, it sucks at fast panning | 17:32 |
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| lcuk | crashanddie, post link i cant find anything in my twitter stream | 17:33 |
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| pupnik | crashanddie: it's depressing how meaningless "720p" video is today, to describe video quality, with this range we have | 17:33 |
| crashanddie | lcuk, yeah, and the fuzziness around everything 9bricks in the wall facing left, red noise in the grass all over, etc) makes that picture OK-ish in 30% reduction, and nearly unusable in 100% crop | 17:33 |
| lcuk | huh? | 17:34 |
| lcuk | nearly unusable? | 17:34 |
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| crashanddie | in 100% crop. | 17:34 |
| crashanddie | (photo geek term for original size, showing every pixel) | 17:34 |
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| SpeedEvil | Original size? 1/5th of an inch? | 17:35 |
| crashanddie | SpeedEvil, no, displaying every pixel for what it is, without reducing the total size of the image | 17:35 |
| sivang | so nokiaqtsdk is stuck at 76% | 17:35 |
| sivang | and not progressing further | 17:35 |
| crashanddie | even if it means panning/scrolling. | 17:35 |
| sivang | anybody an idea? | 17:35 |
| RST38h | lcuk: Here it is: http://picasaweb.google.com/luarvique/Moscow#5483324943458865282 | 17:36 |
| SpeedEvil | Yeah - I've said that for a long time | 17:36 |
| RST38h | lcuk: Zoom in, look at the skyline | 17:36 |
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| lcuk | http://liqbase.net/liq.20100911_032.history.of.science.jpg | 17:36 |
| lcuk | hmm | 17:36 |
| sx0n | i am glad that i am just regular photographer | 17:36 |
| RST38h | lcuk: Notice the perfect shooting conditions | 17:36 |
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| * sivang gives up and fetches the offline version | 17:37 | |
| SpeedEvil | That's not quite right | 17:37 |
| SpeedEvil | the whites are blown out | 17:37 |
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| SpeedEvil | If you corrected the exposure, it'd look a bit better | 17:37 |
| lcuk | "blown out"? | 17:37 |
| crashanddie | lcuk, notice how fuzzy the right-hand wall gets after about 2 meters from the camera? Even immediately to the right, the "white" is noisy. Everywhere you look, it's noisy | 17:37 |
| lcuk | i think it looks pretty RST38h | 17:38 |
| RST38h | Speed: I tried several different exposures | 17:38 |
| RST38h | Speed: Same shit with the skyline | 17:38 |
| lcuk | crashanddie, not really its going over a whole range of focus depths | 17:38 |
| lcuk | so its expected? | 17:38 |
| crashanddie | not at all | 17:38 |
| crashanddie | you should expect bokeh, not noise. | 17:38 |
| SpeedEvil | You do realise that focus depth with a 1.6mm lens loses all meaning over a couple of meters? | 17:39 |
| RST38h | Speed: Yes | 17:39 |
| lcuk | but i fail to see a problem with the images i have | 17:39 |
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| RST38h | Speed: But any other camera will still focus on "infinity" in this picture | 17:39 |
| SpeedEvil | They are not bad, for a phone. | 17:39 |
| lcuk | since they are 100x better than they used to be | 17:39 |
| lcuk | now i learnt how to stop moving | 17:39 |
| lcuk | as much as possible | 17:39 |
| lcuk | tracy is great at taking photos | 17:39 |
| * MohammadAG51 needs training | 17:39 | |
| RST38h | lcuk: Taxidermy! | 17:39 |
| MohammadAG51 | the N86 shoots photos in less than half a second | 17:40 |
| MohammadAG51 | the N900 needs a second or two | 17:40 |
| lcuk | depends | 17:40 |
| sx0n | 4000*3000 takes some time to capture | 17:40 |
| lcuk | prefocused and flash | 17:41 |
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| lcuk | take time too | 17:41 |
| MohammadAG51 | the N900 takes more time to capture the image, from half press to full press, the N86 beats it hands down | 17:41 |
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| MohammadAG51 | the N86's flash is brighter | 17:41 |
| lcuk | fair enough | 17:41 |
| MohammadAG51 | even though it's dual LED | 17:42 |
| MohammadAG51 | looking at the flash on the N86 isn't pleasant | 17:42 |
| sx0n | i have managed to get some red eye pictures with n8, should there be some kind of dual flash etc to remove that? | 17:42 |
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| crashanddie | lcuk, http://www.flickr.com/photos/violin6918/5051285752/sizes/o/in/photostream/ | 17:43 |
| crashanddie | lcuk, notice the difference in fuzziness around the colour edges compared with a 100% crop of a n900 picture? | 17:44 |
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| lcuk | crashanddie, ? taken with a dslr? | 17:46 |
| crashanddie | yeah, with a 5dmkii | 17:47 |
| * lcuk likes http://liqbase.net/liq.20100601_139.fire.dragon.jpg | 17:47 | |
| dneary | I'm right in thinking that the Maemo 5 messaging application is not free software, amn't I? | 17:47 |
| dneary | Or is it just Empathy on speed? | 17:47 |
| crashanddie | you am | 17:47 |
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| crashanddie | or you amn't, depends on how you look at it. | 17:47 |
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| pupnik | i thought the n900 camera was pretty awesome tbh, but then again i was coming from the n810 | 17:48 |
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| sivang | I hink it is awesome indeed | 17:48 |
| sivang | I saw iphone's produce and it's far inferior in my taste | 17:48 |
| crashanddie | stop frigging comparing everything with the iphone, for f's sake. | 17:48 |
| pupnik | :) | 17:48 |
| sivang | true | 17:48 |
| crashanddie | for a day-to-day, don't-give-a-crap-about-picture-quality-and-just-want-to-immortalize-a-day-out-with-the-family, the n900 is fine | 17:49 |
| sivang | crashanddie: I was just thinking, "but quim said on the goals for meego that beating iphone cannot be a goal per se" | 17:49 |
| pupnik | It has the best linux-phone camera, at least :) | 17:49 |
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| lcuk | dneary, i think its mostly closed. | 17:49 |
| lcuk | pupnik, past tense? the n900 camera is still awesome | 17:49 |
| sivang | lcuk++ | 17:49 |
| lcuk | and seriously outclasses the old family digital camera | 17:50 |
| pupnik | then that camera sucked | 17:50 |
| lcuk | especially now with us having 2 of them, we get sets of comparable photos | 17:50 |
| lcuk | pupnik, possibly | 17:50 |
| flux | fcamera is nice as well. is there a way to replace the builtin camera app with that? | 17:50 |
| lcuk | but it was what we knew and used it | 17:50 |
| lcuk | sivang, making something as XYZ beater never realistically gets you anywhere | 17:51 |
| pupnik | anyway n900 camera is plenty good enough for me. i wouldn't want to pay a lot more for a better one tbh | 17:51 |
| lcuk | for years people were wanting to make a better walkman than sony | 17:51 |
| dneary | lcuk, Thought so | 17:51 |
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| dneary | Just watched Sintel - pretty amazing | 17:51 |
| lcuk | pupnik, the n8 camera is obviously good too | 17:51 |
| dneary | Those guys get better with every film | 17:52 |
| dneary | As you'd expect, I suppose... | 17:52 |
| crashanddie | dneary, I was a bit disappointed by the Sintel scenario | 17:52 |
| pupnik | yeah lcuk i got to see side by side n8 vs n900 pics. the n900 doesn't do too bad, but n8 has the edge | 17:52 |
| sivang | lcuk: true | 17:52 |
| sivang | enough with all this beating! | 17:52 |
| crashanddie | dneary, I mean, I understood the whole "oh crap, I've been doing this for 30 years" instant, but I really felt like crap that she killed her dragon. | 17:52 |
| lcuk | sivang, bring out the bacon fat and make your own path | 17:53 |
| dneary | crashanddie, That's the point | 17:53 |
| sivang | so the sdk installer downloades stuff at 1M per 2 seconds from a92-122-135-154.deploy.akamaitechnologies.com | 17:53 |
| kerio | BACON!111111111111 | 17:53 |
| pupnik | i really liked n8's auto-white balance too. plus combined with that black screen.. it's just so fun .. argh. | 17:53 |
| dneary | crashanddie, But then the continuity of the baby dragon following her (after she'd just killed their daddy, no less) was nice | 17:53 |
| lcuk | btw, this http://liqbase.net/liq.20100601_139.fire.dragon.jpg fire dragon only made flames for ~0.5second | 17:53 |
| * sivang thinks to open a bug report to qt people about adding special progress for the MADDE download | 17:53 | |
| lcuk | me and tracy were stood there with cameras poised waiting to catch it | 17:54 |
| crashanddie | dneary, if I want to feel like shit, I'll watch Requiem for a Dream, I want shortfilms to make me think, or laugh... | 17:54 |
| sivang | since it is much larger and takes much more time | 17:54 |
| dneary | crashanddie, But then, maybe we shouldn't be spoiling the plot for everyone who hasn't seen it, no? | 17:54 |
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| crashanddie | dneary, they had it coming if they didn't watch it yet. | 17:54 |
| dneary | crashanddie, /me never seen req for dream | 17:54 |
| dneary | crashanddie, I only just watched it for the first time today | 17:54 |
| dneary | crashanddie, At a conference all last week when it came out | 17:54 |
| crashanddie | I'm playing the world's smallest violin, just for you :) | 17:55 |
| crashanddie | :P | 17:55 |
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| crashanddie | sx0n, red eye is really not something you can remove accurately, no matter the camera | 17:57 |
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| lindi- | W#gnu | 17:57 |
| lindi- | whoops :) | 17:57 |
| RST38h | crashanddie: actually, just remove bright red :) | 17:57 |
| crashanddie | how is that helping anything? | 17:57 |
| crashanddie | What if you're taking a photo of santa? | 17:57 |
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| crashanddie | HE'LL BE GREY!!! | 17:57 |
| crashanddie | case $loc: s/GREY/GRAY/; | 17:58 |
| dneary | crashanddie, Sure you can - accurate selection tools & apply curves or levels to the red channel | 17:58 |
| dneary | It'll be perfectly acceptably realistic | 17:59 |
| crashanddie | dneary, that's post processing :) | 17:59 |
| dneary | Need to be careful not to put a cyan tint on the whites of the eyes... | 17:59 |
| crashanddie | anyone able to call international for free? | 17:59 |
| dneary | crashanddie, Sure | 17:59 |
| crashanddie | dneary, call: +34 620 379 905, and tell him that he's a dick for violating GPL :P | 18:00 |
| dneary | no | 18:00 |
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| Termana | crashanddie, have you done so? | 18:02 |
| crashanddie | he's not answering | 18:02 |
| Termana | He knows | 18:02 |
| Termana | He must be watching us | 18:02 |
| Termana | And in that case I have one thing to say: | 18:03 |
| Termana | Fuck you | 18:03 |
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| GAN900 | Nutjobs | 18:03 |
| crashanddie | Termana, I had a couple of people ask me to ban you because of your rude behaviour. | 18:03 |
| Termana | crashanddie, heh, really? Couple of people being MohammadAG51? :p | 18:04 |
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| GAN900 | Ban ban ban! | 18:04 |
| Termana | Hit me with your best shot! | 18:04 |
| crashanddie | I simply replied saying they were fucking idiots. | 18:04 |
| Stskeeps | and people have been pissed about your behaviour too, crashanddie - so how about we all just fight in person after getting hammered on tequila? | 18:04 |
| Termana | :p | 18:04 |
| crashanddie | who the hell did I piss off lately? | 18:05 |
| crashanddie | I've been seriously nice and making efforts and all for the past few months | 18:05 |
| Stskeeps | note on 'have' | 18:05 |
| crashanddie | well, yeah, but what can I say, I was under a lot of stress? | 18:06 |
| crashanddie | I promise honey, it'll be different now? | 18:06 |
| Milhouse | I've just been banned from engadget :) Pointed out a sight that highlighted how biased they were in their N8 vs iPhone4 camera comparison - wasn't at all sweary, just posted a link to the debunking web site and suggested they might want to post a retraction - instead they wiped my post and banned me. Unbelievable! :) | 18:06 |
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| Stskeeps | don't call me honey, you know it makes me blush | 18:06 |
| Termana | :P | 18:06 |
| Milhouse | sight => site | 18:06 |
| Milhouse | Blog Nazis... gits. | 18:07 |
| sivang | Stskeeps: lol | 18:07 |
| crashanddie | Milhouse, not necessarily :) | 18:07 |
| Stskeeps | Milhouse: so there's worse places than tmo ;) | 18:07 |
| Milhouse | crashanddie: Not nazis, gits or they didn't wipe my post and ban me? | 18:07 |
| Milhouse | Stskeeps: Oh yes, much worse! :) | 18:08 |
| crashanddie | Milhouse, sight/site | 18:08 |
| GAN900 | Milhouse, links are spam. | 18:08 |
| Milhouse | crashannie: aha... | 18:08 |
| GAN900 | Milhouse, spammer. | 18:08 |
| Milhouse | GAN900: Not all, only those that show engadget to be a bunch of biased hacks | 18:08 |
| GAN900 | Either way, your first mistake was posting on Engadget. *g* | 18:08 |
| Milhouse | GAN900: Clearly... will have to register with a new account now! :) | 18:08 |
| GAN900 | It's link when a friend of mine got baited into arguing on YouTube. | 18:09 |
| Milhouse | GAN900: Some of the anti-Nokia, anti-MeeGo shite they post is incredible | 18:09 |
| GAN900 | Much like newspapers, it's all editorial. | 18:09 |
| Milhouse | GAN900: I wonder how much financial harm some of the non-journalists cause, considerable when their posts go unchallenged and treated as fact | 18:10 |
| GAN900 | A bit, I'd say | 18:10 |
| GAN900 | But what can you do? | 18:10 |
| crashanddie | Milhouse, to quote the title of a song by Skunk Anansie: "Yes It's fucking Political" | 18:11 |
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| Milhouse | Nokia do seem to be a magnet for bad press whether it's justified or not - it seems to be a popular sport these days. That Russian buffoon is leading the charge as usual. | 18:11 |
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| GAN900 | Nokia hasn't done itself many favors. | 18:15 |
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| crashanddie | Every company is a magnet for bad press | 18:15 |
| crashanddie | It really just depends of the websites you look at | 18:15 |
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| nidO | the bias on "popular" sites against nokia is just incredible though | 18:16 |
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| nidO | I couldnt help but laugh all the way through the iphone vs blackberry vs n8 usability test on gizmodo the other day | 18:17 |
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| kerio | nidO: link pls | 18:19 |
| nidO | http://gizmodo.com/5653621/gizmodo-hq-video-throwdown-how-usable-is-nokias-new-n8 | 18:19 |
| Milhouse | I prefer to avoid sites that are pro-Nokia in an attempt to get a more unbiased opinion, but most of the "popular" tech web sites seem to pleasure in taking pot shots at Nokia, as if it's some kind of new sport. | 18:19 |
| Milhouse | nid0: that was shocking | 18:19 |
| nidO | its like... fast typer with months of using an iphone, vs fast typer with months of using a blackberry, vs arthritic cripple with 20 seconds of looking at an n8 | 18:19 |
| nidO | "zomg n8 sux!" | 18:20 |
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| Milhouse | nid0: here's a video "reply" to Gizmodo: http://mynokiablog.com/2010/10/03/video-answer-to-gizmodos-usability-test-of-the-nokia-n8/ | 18:20 |
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| nidO | yar i saw it, says a lot | 18:21 |
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| Milhouse | What *is* interesting about these engadget and Gizmodo hatchet jobs, is that an awful lot of people are seeing through it and in many cases bigging up the N8, which is heatening - Nokia really do need it to succeed. | 18:23 |
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| * DocScrutinizer2 moos at GAN900 and shows crashanddie how to properly remove a red eye. Using small spoon helps a lot | 18:23 | |
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| _trine | DocScrutinizer2, would you have any idea why petrovich on my N900 has stopped working | 18:25 |
| _trine | it no longer opens the folder as it once did | 18:26 |
| _trine | I see others on the net have had the same problem but there does not appear to be a solution I can find | 18:26 |
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| DocScrutinizer | _trine: not really, but I as well had lots of issues with petrovich, and cuteexplorer (or somesuch) comes with BT file sending as one of many useful options | 18:27 |
| nidO | has petrovich even been updated to work with 1.2? it's been kinda pointless since then | 18:27 |
| _trine | it used to work ok until yesterday and its still working on my wifes N900 | 18:28 |
| _trine | and both phones are on 1.2 | 18:28 |
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| DocScrutinizer | nevermind petrovich, use cute explorer | 18:28 |
| _trine | can cute explorer send vis BT | 18:29 |
| nidO | you can send files via bt using the built-in file manager | 18:29 |
| _trine | nidO, whats the builtin file manager called | 18:30 |
| nidO | well in your app list, "File manager". | 18:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes, even HFM can 'publish' 'over BT' | 18:30 |
| _trine | petrovich was so easy to use | 18:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer | but CuteExplorer can access *whole* filesystem, not only the crippled version holding 2 folders "MyDocs" and "media/mmc1" that Nokia thinks are sufficient for users to have access to them | 18:32 |
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| nidO | well, nokia are right. enthusiast device or not, giving whole filesystem access via a ui file manager out of the box is asking for problems | 18:33 |
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| nidO | ofc, an option to enable access to the rest of the fs woulda been nice to have. | 18:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm, hiding 2/3 of the fs is asking just for different problems | 18:33 |
| nidO | yes, but those problems are "bah, i have to use shell / install another filemanager" rather than "waaa i borked my phone". | 18:34 |
| nidO | I can easily imagine which nokia prefers. | 18:34 |
| jd | having full access to the fs through alternative file managers and shell is good enough for me | 18:34 |
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| jd | there isn't any real lock anywhere | 18:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | nidO: my words since 12 months: have a textedit field to enter arbitrary current directories (without restrictions) like on OSX finder | 18:34 |
| jd | i wish they had made / bigger though | 18:34 |
| jd | 256mb is tight | 18:35 |
| jd | other than that i have no issues with anything | 18:35 |
| jd | i just made symlinks to fix some stuff and it works fine now i guess | 18:35 |
| lcuk | GAN900, "But what can you do?" <<< we can try to do as Nokia should do: innovate | 18:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | nidO: that's nonsense (borked my phone), you got permissions for that, which reliably keep restricted user from "borking phone" | 18:36 |
| _trine | it seems really odd that petrovich can no longer open the file system | 18:36 |
| lcuk | get off haunches and actually make something revolutionary :) | 18:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer | nidO: if you got a proper complete pathname in your filemanager, and can cd up and down like on any usual unix, that doesn't mean user can erase or modify arbitrary files. It just means display isn't artificially messed up so even experienced users need to think each time about "wtf was 'Documents' now?? :-/" | 18:39 |
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| DocScrutinizer | honestly, a filemanager that doesn't allow user to even *read* own $HOME, that's completely insane | 18:40 |
| jd | i've had a n900 for a few months now | 18:41 |
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| jd | and so far it's the best phone i've ever had | 18:41 |
| jd | the battery life isnt even that bad compared to other phones i had before, it lasts me 2 days or so on a charge with regular use | 18:41 |
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| kerio | the n900 is ridiculously great | 18:44 |
| TomaszD | has tmo gone to the grave permanently? | 18:44 |
| kerio | shame it has some really, really stupid flaws :( | 18:44 |
| nidO | DocScrutinizer: it's effectively a neverending argument though. If the default filesystem could read the entire fs, someone would complain that it should run as root, afterall its not a file "manager" if you cant manage the files because the user filemanager cant touch root-owned files. a middle ground between having users borking phones and making the filesystem inaccessible has to be found, | 18:44 |
| nidO | and as I said, having an *option* to access the full fs would be nice, I can fully see why it doesnt allow it as standard | 18:44 |
| nidO | default filesystem = default filemanager* | 18:44 |
| kerio | nidO: why the hell would you want to change files as root from a graphical filemanager | 18:44 |
| crashanddie | My Blackberry 9700 holds a week with daily usage | 18:44 |
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| nidO | kerio: I wouldnt. but then, im happy making changes via shell anyway, lack of graphical filesystem to access above docs doesnt much bother me | 18:45 |
| kerio | now, having the browser inable to choose arbitrary files... that's bad | 18:45 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | nidO: which desktop linux has such rationale? was the fact none (except mac) has ever a problem? | 18:46 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer: the Finder has options to show hidden&system files | 18:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | kerio: I know, I mentioned that above | 18:47 |
| kerio | and you can just tell it to go to /bin/ or whatever | 18:47 |
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| kerio | really, how is one supposed to upload a file in... /home/user/ to a website | 18:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer | it's always the same, someone has a good concept to hide complex functions from default MMI and streamline UX, and then epigons implement the same basic simplified UX but completely leave out the extended functions that originally only were hidden | 18:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer | then 3rd party jumps in to the void and offers complementary means to cope with the missing 'advanced functions' in that crippled UI, and so the whole originally nice concept is turned into an awfull mess | 18:54 |
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| DocScrutinizer | and everybody claim " *I* did the _right_ thing!" | 18:55 |
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| kerio | DocScrutinizer: is the file manager opensource? | 18:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes | 18:57 |
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| kerio | so patch it :) | 18:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | bah | 18:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | it needs patching of the underlying lib.so or whatever. Or why do you think pertovic did same shit like HFM? | 18:58 |
| timeless_xchat | http://ics.svc.ovi.com/ics/app?page=livestream/herenow&service=page&mcc=244&mnc=5&cmcc=244&cmnc=5&cid=407115&bear=&lac=29000&language=1&width=800&height=480&tz=p0300&vejr=HN_S60_2.0 | 18:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's the file selector widget that is completely fscked up | 18:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | not HFM | 18:59 |
| timeless_xchat | jaffa, i got "Location not detected" | 18:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | tbh I'd not even say a word about HFM implementing that. It's the fact the whole system is built to force app devels into same shit | 19:00 |
| _trine | DocScrutinizer, what could have changed on my N900 to stop petrovich from picking up the files? | 19:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | sorry, no idea | 19:02 |
| _trine | ok | 19:02 |
| yacc | Any quick way to make the N900 reconnect the chat services? | 19:02 |
| yacc | Without going "online" => "offline" => "online"? | 19:03 |
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| _trine | petrovich is only 1 file in /user/bin and I have reinstalled it and it still does not work so it must be something else that has changed somewhere | 19:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | kerio: see tickets about "HFM doesn't display file extensions", "HFM doesn't show full patchname" and the idiocy you can't tell apart 2 file of same basename in backup app, even when one of the files is on uSD and the other stored on the phone. WTF! | 19:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | ttyl | 19:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer | s/oatchname/pathname/ | 19:06 |
| timeless_xchat | yacc: you can create profiles that are subsets of offline | 19:06 |
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| yacc | timeless_xchat, ? | 19:07 |
| timeless_xchat | s/off/on/ | 19:07 |
| infobot | timeless_xchat meant: yacc: you can create profiles that are subsets of online | 19:07 |
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| timeless_xchat | and switch from online to a subset that excludes the account you want to kick | 19:07 |
| timeless_xchat | and then switch back to online | 19:07 |
| yacc | timeless_xchat, how do I do that? | 19:09 |
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| yacc | Ah well, yes, I meant anyway not "offline" (flight mode), but "offline" (IM presence). | 19:09 |
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| yacc | I was thinking more along the line of one button to click to make it refresh it's connections. | 19:10 |
| MohammadAG51 | <Termana> crashanddie, heh, really? Couple of people being MohammadAG51? :p | 19:10 |
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| MohammadAG51 | -1 for you | 19:11 |
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| MohammadAG51 | meh, he's offline | 19:11 |
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| timeless_xchat | yacc: i'm talking about presence | 19:23 |
| timeless_xchat | we don't have a ui to create phone profiles | 19:24 |
| timeless_xchat | only im status profiles | 19:24 |
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| MohammadAG51 | what's the dev node for a mic? | 19:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer | dev node for mic? don't think there's such a thing | 19:57 |
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| johnsq | Hi | 19:57 |
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| Jaffa | re | 20:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG51: there's /dev/snd/* holding device nodes for the ADCs & DACs available in the system | 20:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG51: and there's */controlC0 as lowest level access to mixer, aiui. Mic has no own device node, as it's not a distinct device | 20:04 |
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| _trine | from wht I can see of it all these blue tooth apps only send 1 file at a time,, is this correct? | 20:16 |
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| Goliath23 | hi. qtcreator offers me to update from qt 4.6 to qt 4.7 .. can I still target pr 1.2 after that? | 20:45 |
| Goliath23 | (on the n900 I mean) | 20:45 |
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| lcuk | Goliath23, qt4.7 is at present in -devel | 20:49 |
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| mece | lcuk, qt4.7 final? | 20:51 |
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| lcuk | mece, not sure if its been updated since the final came out | 20:52 |
| lcuk | have a look on packages though | 20:52 |
| mece | lcuk, don't think so. | 20:52 |
| lcuk | do know qt4.7 is wriggling around other places though | 20:52 |
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| * MohammadAG51 wants Frets on Fire | 20:54 | |
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| Goliath23 | lcuk: where can I search through the repo contents? is there something like packages.ubuntu.org? | 21:06 |
| timeless_mbp | sp3000: oh | 21:06 |
| lcuk | yes Goliath23 http://maemo.org/packages/ | 21:06 |
| timeless_mbp | i think i know why my mac is starting to slow down! | 21:06 |
| Goliath23 | lcuk: thanks | 21:06 |
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| timeless_mbp | i only have 10gb of disk space left on my mac | 21:07 |
| lcuk | timeless_mbp, you added a tinfoil hat? | 21:07 |
| timeless_mbp | lcuk: kinda | 21:07 |
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| timeless_mbp | lcuk: basically every time my system tries to write to disk, i think it has to think harder about finding space | 21:09 |
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| Venemo | what's the difference between 'su' and 'su -' ? | 21:12 |
| FauxFaux | One destroys the environment more. | 21:13 |
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| Venemo | FauxFaux: ? | 21:13 |
| FauxFaux | Venemo: ? | 21:13 |
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| Venemo | FauxFaux: what do you mean by "destroys the environment", and how much "more"? | 21:14 |
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| RST38h | moo all | 21:14 |
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| FauxFaux | Venemo: Try it and find out? Observe the current directory etc. | 21:14 |
| Venemo | FauxFaux: well, I haven't noticed anything different yet, but someone once told me that 'su -' is "better" - he didn't explain why though | 21:15 |
| lcuk | timeless_mbp, sounds like many things | 21:15 |
| lcuk | having a good cleanup and reorganisation should do you good :P | 21:15 |
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| timeless_mbp | lcuk: i don't have that much data.. | 21:19 |
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| timeless_mbp | i mean, sure, 175gb of vm's :) | 21:20 |
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| ZogG | is TMO down? | 21:27 |
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| Venemo | hm... when launching the Maemo 5 SDK, Xephyr displays only a blank black window... what can be the issue? | 21:28 |
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| Venemo | it was working previously | 21:29 |
| sp3000 | man my microwave is dumb | 21:29 |
| sp3000 | noo I can't add 10s to the time after it's started. or 10min for that matter | 21:29 |
| timeless_mbp | heh | 21:29 |
| sp3000 | I can add 1min, but not with the button labeled 1min | 21:29 |
| sp3000 | but the start button | 21:29 |
| sp3000 | ! | 21:29 |
| * timeless_mbp rotfl | 21:30 | |
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| Stskeeps | sp3000: fixed release schedule microwave | 21:30 |
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| timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: upgrades available for 150EUR | 21:31 |
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| timeless_mbp | oh, and upgrades don't include a warranty | 21:31 |
| * timeless_mbp is almost done reading spam | 21:32 | |
| timeless_mbp | it's sad, but reading spam is so much faster than reading mail | 21:32 |
| Venemo | here is the error message: Could not create server lock file: /tmp/.X2-lock | 21:33 |
| RST38h | you have got another Xephyr running | 21:33 |
| Venemo | no I haven't | 21:33 |
| RST38h | do ls -l / | 21:33 |
| RST38h | and paste the "tmp" line | 21:34 |
| sp3000 | timeless_mbp: you'd wish all mail was spam! ...oh, wait | 21:34 |
| Venemo | RST38h: drwxrwxrwt. 28 root root 12288 Oct 4 20:33 tmp | 21:34 |
| RST38h | hm | 21:34 |
| RST38h | DO ls -l /tmp/.X* | 21:35 |
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| Venemo | RST38h: http://fpaste.org/4nyj/ | 21:35 |
| wmarone | doh | 21:36 |
| wmarone | TMO is toast | 21:36 |
| Venemo | how so? | 21:36 |
| Venemo | what happened to it? | 21:36 |
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| wmarone | vbulletin database error | 21:36 |
| Corsac | the n770 has frozen? | 21:36 |
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| Venemo | RST38h: should I delete the folder it is trying to access from /tmp ? | 21:36 |
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| Venemo | Corsac: lol! | 21:36 |
| RST38h | Venemo: rm -rf /tmp/.X2-lock | 21:37 |
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| MohammadAG51 | fucking router | 21:37 |
| Venemo | RST38h: rm: cannot remove `/tmp/.X2-lock': Operation not permitted | 21:37 |
| MohammadAG51 | sudo? | 21:37 |
| RST38h | SUDO! | 21:37 |
| Venemo | ooops | 21:37 |
| * RST38h sighs: some people are really better off with Windows | 21:38 | |
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| Venemo | okay | 21:38 |
| Venemo | 'su -c 'rm -rf /tmp/.X2-lock'' did the trick | 21:38 |
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| MohammadAG51 | Nokia's devs? :P | 21:38 |
| MohammadAG51 | Oh noes | 21:39 |
| Venemo | Fatal server error: | 21:39 |
| MohammadAG51 | tmo database error | 21:39 |
| Venemo | Cannot establish any listening sockets - Make sure an X server isn't already running | 21:39 |
| Venemo | this is what it says | 21:39 |
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| timeless_mbp | hrm, i guess i could get some space back by deleting a 50gb vm image :) | 22:00 |
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| juk | where is radio list located by default from vanila image ? | 22:06 |
| juk | one the best things I get from bying N900 | 22:06 |
| juk | learn some deutch also | 22:07 |
| juk | and finish :D | 22:07 |
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| juk | sorry Finnish | 22:08 |
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| juk | Finnish Phone :D | 22:09 |
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| juk | where is radio list located by default from vanila image ? | 22:10 |
| MohammadAG51 | what radio list | 22:10 |
| MohammadAG51 | all N900s have the same radios | 22:11 |
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| juk | MohammadAG51: I mean internet radio, music | 22:11 |
| MohammadAG51 | oh, idk | 22:12 |
| juk | MohammadAG51: I listed for xml, html, txt, list nothing | 22:12 |
| juk | MohammadAG51: they did some modifications I guess | 22:13 |
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| juk | MohammadAG51: idk, thats it? | 22:14 |
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| RST38h | http://thpmaemo.blogspot.com/2010/10/qt-write-once-ifdef-everywhere.html | 22:19 |
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| RST38h | Fun fun fun, make note of the AknUi usage :))) | 22:19 |
| juk | MohammadAG51: ok i'll try to decrypt what idk meant, see ya | 22:20 |
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| MohammadAG51 | infobot, wtf idk | 22:20 |
| infobot | Gee... I don't know what idk means... | 22:20 |
| MohammadAG51 | exactly | 22:20 |
| MohammadAG51 | idk = that | 22:20 |
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| pupnik | how is the latency through that gateway n900evil ? | 22:31 |
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| Venemo | hey guys | 22:46 |
| Venemo | http://pastebin.com/0wSz9JUH | 22:46 |
| Venemo | this is what Xephyr keeps saying to me | 22:46 |
| Venemo | could anyone please help? | 22:46 |
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| larsemil | anyone knows if there is any new phone coming with maemo on it? n900 is starting to get bit old? | 22:47 |
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| Venemo | larsemil: the next release will probably have new hardware. there are rumours but nothing is announced yet | 22:48 |
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| larsemil | no other vendors picking it up? | 22:48 |
| larswey | i miss my N900 :( | 22:48 |
| larswey | didnt stand 2 hours under salt water | 22:48 |
| pupnik | imagine n900 with bigger screen and more keys | 22:49 |
| pupnik | that would make my gumdrops burst with flavor | 22:49 |
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| Venemo | pupnik: what happened? | 22:50 |
| pupnik | ? | 22:50 |
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| pupnik | picture stretching n900 screen a couple centimeters each direction to get 1024x600 or somth | 22:51 |
| GAN900 | pupnik, I want more DPI. | 22:52 |
| pupnik | diminishing returns GAN900 - where does it end? | 22:52 |
| Venemo | pupnik: "i miss my N900 :("... what happened to it? | 22:54 |
| pupnik | water splashed onto keyboard | 22:54 |
| pupnik | but it's beyond the loan date now anyway | 22:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | seem infobot has grammatical problems, correct wording is "Gee... I don't know IS what idk means..." X-P | 22:55 |
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| GAN900 | pupnik, when I can't see pixels with a magnifying glass. | 22:55 |
| n900evil | what gateway? | 22:55 |
| n900evil | pupnik: | 22:55 |
| pupnik | tor n900evil | 22:55 |
| n900evil | this is not a pipe. | 22:56 |
| ds3 | not being able to see pixels is a good thing | 22:56 |
| pupnik | n900 is too high dpi for old eyes | 22:56 |
| GAN900 | We're damn close with the N900. | 22:56 |
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| GAN900 | pupnik, that's a software problem. | 22:56 |
| pupnik | i'd like to see more AI now. pixels don't excite | 22:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | there's no such thing like "too high DPI", at least for user experience. Too high DPI just *could* really mean "too weak GFX engine" | 22:58 |
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| pupnik | DocScrutinizer: - i think all factors must be in balance | 22:58 |
| Arkenoi | well, i guess 300-350 dpi could be kinda enough :-) | 22:59 |
| n900evil | Too high dpi is under 60nm dot pitch | 22:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | pupnik: why? | 22:59 |
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| pupnik | DocScrutinizer: engineering and economic trade-offs | 22:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer | n900evil: yep, when the DPI actually starts creating optically active structures, then that's for sure too high DPI | 23:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | pupnik: that's not "too high DPI", rather that's "too expensive display" then | 23:00 |
| n900evil | More seriously, I am unconvinced by arguments for over 250dpi | 23:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer | n900evil: >>250 DPI come in just handy, for HMDs ;-) | 23:01 |
| pupnik | ok thanks DocScrutinizer - i see your point now | 23:01 |
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| n900evil | HMD sure. | 23:02 |
| n900evil | for that you want 25000 | 23:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | hehe | 23:03 |
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| Venemo | Scratchbox and Xephyr keep screwing me up | 23:03 |
| Venemo | here is what it says: http://pastebin.com/YMN6UPqf | 23:03 |
| Venemo | could anyone please help me? | 23:03 |
| pog | hello, does it harm, to reformat the FAT32 space to FAT32 and ext? Because I prefer some space for a linux installation. | 23:05 |
| pog | I talk from the N900 | 23:05 |
| lcuk | Venemo, tried rebooting? | 23:05 |
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| Venemo | lcuk, yes | 23:07 |
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| lcuk | oooer Venemo | 23:08 |
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| lcuk | i dont normally use xephyr myself so havent seen this | 23:08 |
| lcuk | DocScrutinizer, what ppi is the CCD on the n900? | 23:08 |
| Venemo | and Scratchbox login tells me, "Session setup problem, abort." | 23:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer | damn, I installed a few apps yesterday for testing them (e.g flashlight-extra, tower cell info...) and it seems something is causing considerable hickups of whole system now :-/ | 23:09 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, flashlight-extra | 23:09 |
| MohammadAG | see dmesg, it gave a shitload of kernel errors | 23:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: yup, I as well suspect that one | 23:09 |
| MohammadAG | Unable to start flashlight-extra | 23:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | ouch | 23:09 |
| MohammadAG | dsme: respawning | 23:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | yuck | 23:10 |
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| MohammadAG | lemme try and find eit | 23:10 |
| MohammadAG | it* | 23:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | lcuk: the math is easy, no? | 23:10 |
| MohammadAG | Sep 22 23:48:37 Nokia-N900 init: flashlight-extra main process ended, respawning | 23:10 |
| lcuk | DocScrutinizer, sure if the variables are known, I don't know the sensor dimensions | 23:10 |
| MohammadAG | Sep 22 23:48:52 Nokia-N900 init: flashlight-extra main process ended, respawning | 23:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | lcuk: sensor? | 23:11 |
| lcuk | ccd sensor | 23:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer | lcuk: according to my tools used this very minute the display is 78mm wide | 23:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | and has 800 as we all know | 23:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer | so DPI is 800 / (78 / 25.4) if I'm not completely wrong | 23:12 |
| Venemo | I'll try to reboot again | 23:12 |
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| lcuk | DocScrutinizer, CCD | 23:12 |
| lcuk | the camera sensor | 23:13 |
| lcuk | not the screen display | 23:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | ooh, ccd. I guess we don't have any CCD on N900 | 23:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah, camera is cmos | 23:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | anyway, idk | 23:13 |
| MohammadAG | so, the back sensor is IR | 23:13 |
| MohammadAG | it detects colour, so I'm assuming it detects how much the IR is reflected | 23:13 |
| lcuk | cos thats at the sort of resolution n900evil needs for an eyeball one :P | 23:14 |
| MohammadAG | sadly, both the front proximity sensor and the back sensor flash at a very high rate | 23:14 |
| lcuk | and ahhh i thought all cameras were CCD :$ | 23:14 |
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| MohammadAG | which imo, would save a lot of battery if they didn't | 23:14 |
| * lcuk never needed to dig deeper | 23:14 | |
| MohammadAG | why didn't they go the N95-way | 23:14 |
| MohammadAG | a mechanical switch for camera, and a menu item to unmount the card | 23:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: what are you after?? | 23:15 |
| MohammadAG | Nokia's hardware designer's head | 23:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm, lemme reprase | 23:15 |
| MohammadAG | "I deleted boot, please help" nice thread title | 23:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: what's the problem, what's the topic? | 23:16 |
| lcuk | a mechanical button being used on a removable/movable piece wears easily | 23:16 |
| lcuk | (speaking of the reasoning for the camera slide detection | 23:16 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, why the hell does the proximity sensor not turn off | 23:16 |
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| MohammadAG | why doesn't it stay off until needed | 23:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: because somebody keeps the device node open | 23:17 |
| MohammadAG | lcuk, my N95's been working fine for 3 years, or a bit more | 23:17 |
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| lcuk | MohammadAG, idk then | 23:17 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, that wastes battery life | 23:18 |
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| MohammadAG | not by a lot, but it does waste battery life | 23:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: the sensors are amazingly humble on power | 23:18 |
| MohammadAG | really? | 23:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes | 23:18 |
| MohammadAG | so they can't be exploited as a mug warmer, DAMN IT | 23:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | lol | 23:19 |
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| MohammadAG | yay | 23:23 |
| MohammadAG | tracker is on my PC | 23:23 |
| Stskeeps | kill it with fire! | 23:23 |
| MohammadAG | thank you canonical, that's all I needed to rape my CPU | 23:23 |
| kerio | OH NO IT'S SPREADING | 23:23 |
| MohammadAG | 1961 mohammad 20 0 88740 14m 3924 S 75 0.4 22:08.62 tracker-store | 23:23 |
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| MohammadAG | yay, 80C | 23:23 |
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| MohammadAG | The following packages will be REMOVED: | 23:25 |
| MohammadAG | hmm, doesn't look right | 23:25 |
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| MohammadAG | ah, forgot --purge | 23:25 |
| kerio | you forgot --kill-it-with-fire | 23:25 |
| kerio | is there a way to tell apt to shred the files instead? | 23:26 |
| MohammadAG | lol | 23:26 |
| MohammadAG | nah, it has supercow powers | 23:26 |
| MohammadAG | it'll shred them on its own | 23:26 |
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| yacc | I wondered if there is a tool that auto-adjusts the brightness? | 23:28 |
| yacc | Considering that there seems to be a sensor even on the front to sense how bright the environment is, ... | 23:29 |
| MohammadAG | afaik brightness is adjusted by default | 23:29 |
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| Venemo | yacc: it is called an ambient light sensor, and it does auto-adjust the brightness | 23:32 |
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| yacc | Venemo, yeah, but the N900 seems not to adjust the brightness, ... | 23:36 |
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| Venemo | yacc, it does | 23:37 |
| Venemo | yacc, bring it to a bright room, then to darkness | 23:37 |
| yacc | Venemo, now for the G1 for example which does not such a sensor somebody wrote a tool that uses the camera (won't work on the N900 because of the slider) to decide the brightness, not all the time, but some time, ... | 23:37 |
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| yacc | Venemo, you mean the brightness slider just sets the "effect" that I want to have, and the N900 has been busy giving me the brillant image quality all the time on it's own? | 23:38 |
| MohammadAG | yacc, if you restart mce it's broken until the next reboot | 23:38 |
| MohammadAG | also, I think qwerty12's applet breaks it sometimes | 23:38 |
| yacc | mce? | 23:40 |
| MohammadAG | ~mce | 23:40 |
| infobot | MCE = Machine Check Exception | 23:40 |
| MohammadAG | fuck | 23:40 |
| MohammadAG | you | 23:40 |
| yacc | ? | 23:41 |
| MohammadAG | ~mce is also Mode Control Entity | 23:41 |
| infobot | MohammadAG: okay | 23:41 |
| piggz | is there a libqt4-qt3support package for maemo that is uptodate with the current libqt4? | 23:41 |
| MohammadAG | I hate that bot sometimes | 23:41 |
| MohammadAG | ~mce | 23:41 |
| infobot | MCE = Machine Check Exception. Mode Control Entity | 23:41 |
| MohammadAG | sigh | 23:41 |
| MohammadAG | yacc, it's what controls most lights in the system | 23:41 |
| MohammadAG | vibration is a light | 23:41 |
| Venemo | yacc, it won't affect the brightness slider | 23:41 |
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| yacc | When we are at the topic, anyway to see what process caused some light/vibration/sound event? | 23:44 |
| Venemo | MohammadAG: it also controls the screen orientation | 23:45 |
| Venemo | ~MohammadAG | 23:45 |
| yacc | I've got the N900 just last week, and it has this tendency to give off all kinds of sounds, but when I check the display there is nothing marked (the left top corner icon is just blue, no yellow marking for a message for example). | 23:45 |
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| Venemo | what sort of sounds? | 23:46 |
| MohammadAG | yeah, it polls the accelerometer and reports orientation, sometimes crashes under the tension of life | 23:46 |
| Venemo | yacc, perhaps you installed something that messes things up. | 23:46 |
| yacc | Yeah, but how do I figure what messes things up? | 23:46 |
| Venemo | yacc, difficult to answer | 23:47 |
| Venemo | yacc, perhaps if you would explain in more detail, the guys here could help you more | 23:47 |
| yacc | Yeah, that's why I ask ;) | 23:47 |
| yacc | E.g. yesterday I had it play everytime I've turned the screen off or on. | 23:47 |
| yacc | Today it does not do this, ... | 23:47 |
| yacc | Venemo, luckily for me I had no time yet to fool around myself, ... :) | 23:48 |
| pupnik | yacc: your problem description is hard to understand. perhaps you can youtube upload a video of the problem | 23:48 |
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| dRbiG | hmm, just wondering, proper way to pronounce maemo is like ma-emo or does ae stands for something more fancy here? :) | 23:49 |
| yacc | pupnik, well, the issue is that it's not doing it today. | 23:50 |
| yacc | Generally speaking not being able to figure out what process has played a sound, vibrated or activated leds is bad, ... | 23:50 |
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| Venemo | well, it usually plays a sound when you receive an e-mail/sms, and stuff | 23:51 |
| Venemo | you can also set what events you want the LED to turn on fo | 23:51 |
| Venemo | you can also set what events you want the LED to turn on for in the Settings application | 23:51 |
| yacc | pupnik, it would be perhaps different with a stupid device, but with a device that is so "extensible", .... | 23:51 |
| yacc | Venemo, yeah, but if an app plays a sound, while not giving a visible cue, it's hard to figure out what's happening. | 23:52 |
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| pupnik | users learn which sound means what after a few days | 23:53 |
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