IRC log of #maemo for Sunday, 2010-09-26

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RevdKathyNight all!00:02
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daleglassOk, something odd is going on. I rebooted, now /home/user/MyDocs seems gone, and I get "Stale NFS handle" when I try to mount it00:06
daleglassI'm pretty sure I didn't touch anything that could have done that00:06
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DocScrutinizerdaleglass: ouch00:07
DocScrutinizerfsck.vfat to be precise00:07
DocScrutinizerif you're lucky it will fix it00:07
daleglassDocScrutinizer: it dumps a bunch of numbers, sector numbers I'm guessing. It outputs checked clusters and files stats, but doesn't say anything about fixing anything, or finding anything wrong00:09
DocScrutinizer'stale NFS handle' is fs-driver's standard comment when something's so fubar it doesn't make nay sense at all00:09
daleglasswell that's just awesome00:10
DocScrutinizerdaleglass: check the mountpoint fs00:10
DocScrutinizerdaleglass: actually I fail to see how a VFAT could have any NFS handles at all, no matter if stale or not. Maybe I'm wrong00:12
daleglassDocScrutinizer: hm, good call. I can mount vfat in a directory in /tmp/00:12
daleglassok, so I figure that means /home is broken. What now?00:12
DocScrutinizerumount /home, fsck.ext300:12
DocScrutinizerthis might get tricky though00:13
daleglasscan't unmount it, there's a bunch of stuff using it00:13
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DocScrutinizerwell - a full reflash will probably fix it. But I guess that's not exactly what you want to do?00:14
daleglasswould like to avoid it if possible00:14
DocScrutinizertoss in the fsck to the init scripts, just before the mount commands?00:15
lcukMNZ, those are awesome!00:16
DocScrutinizerthe worst thing that can happen is you create a bootloop and have to reflash :-P00:16
* lcuk has some similar00:16
* MNZ has nothing this awesome :(00:17
lcukMNZ, then now is the time!00:17
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MNZRight on top of my list of things to do. Just need to start coding something :P hehe00:18
zashWho doesn't "Just need to start coding something" ;P00:18
MNZzash, the folks at #meego-arm apparently :P00:20
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keriodaleglass: hmm00:21
keriofsck in readonly00:21
keriosee if there's actually a problem there00:21
lcuklol MNZ00:21
MNZDocScrutinizer, remember that audio cookbook thingie? I got it implemented with a gui and all today morning.00:23
MNZIt doesn't work00:23
daleglasskerio: pretty sure there is, I noticed there was no MyDocs in /home/user, and got the NFS handle thing when trying to mkdir it00:23
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DocScrutinizerMNZ: :-S00:26
MNZdon't get me wrong, not the HW/kernel side. The equations have something wrong AFAICT00:27
jacekowskiwell, reiserfs seems to be more reliable in terms of filesystem integrity00:27
MNZor maybe there's more than one way to create a specific filter, but in any case the stuff from audio cookbook cause some weird shit00:28
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DocScrutinizermnooh, then there's still hope01:18
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DocScrutinizermnz: ^^01:18
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rainbirdhi there, im looking for some hildon desktop mods...I have a n900 but i'd like to see some desktop mods like start menu etc01:54
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kerioi'd like to see jessica alba doing a strip-tease for me01:56
rainbirdyes but this isn;t the Jessica Alba irc chat01:57
lcukrainbird, explain a start menu, since pressing a single button now brings up an app menu?01:57
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lcukand kerio, if you don't ask, you don't get01:58
lcukhow much money have you offered :P01:58
rainbirdbasically, I'm using maemo5...but i'd like a similar style to previous versions... like a start menu in gnome at the top with a text menu rather than icons01:58
rainbirdim just wandering if anyone done it, im not sure how to do it myself01:58
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lcukwell hildon desktop on maemo4 had similar i believe01:59
lcukis that more like what you are thinking?01:59
rainbirdI guess so... but i dont wanna go back in time :)01:59
lcukbut hildon is open and hence i am betting it exists somewhere in amongst there02:00
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* lcuk cant actually remember which package its in02:00
* lcuk is coding anyway02:00
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rainbirdI saw some devices which are probably japanese, cheap MID's with what appears to be some customization of a bit disapointed in the amount of hildon customization thats been done on maemo5/n900, cant blame anyone..I haven't really tried myself :)02:01
lcukwell rainbird theres 3 alternative menu managers02:01
lcuka boat load of keybinding related tweaks02:02
lcuka 9desktop version02:02
lcukand whatever i have missed02:02
rainbirdok well i better get googling, thanks lcuk02:02
lcukbut on the whole, customisation by setting up various desktops appears to suffice for most hackers02:02
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DocScrutinizerwho's servicing mxr aka, resp why is there some strange "** Warning:" with no further detail text in e.g. (sourcecode of that page line 78)?02:12
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lcukthats timeless normally, but he is on travels DocScrutinizer02:13
DocScrutinizeryou got an idea if that's normal?02:13
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DocScrutinizerseems I get "** Warning:" and "** Fatal!" recently, the latter on identifier searches that never yield any hit02:14
lcukDocScrutinizer, doesn't look it, but its not stopping it working02:14
DocScrutinizer... or I'm doing something stupid02:14
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lcukask him next time you see him :)02:15
DocScrutinizerk, thnx02:15
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DocScrutinizerwhat's a 'static inline int blabla', in C ?02:20
DocScrutinizerstatic is known, int as well02:20
DocScrutinizerwhat's inline? only know this for assembler02:20
lcukinline is a hint to the compiler02:21
DocScrutinizeraah k02:21
lcukby the way, the doesn't appear to give those warnings.  I just did a little check (that file is missing) but it doesn't seem to matter02:22
lcukfor example02:22
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DocScrutinizermeh, mxr has zero crossreference links anymore. I remeber a cool feature where you could click any identifier and get to a list of defines and references. Now it's all plain text. This goes along the line of "** Fatal!" for the explicit search for identifiers02:26
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DocScrutinizeror IOW: mxr is borked02:27
DocScrutinizer   --> "** Fatal:" + null02:28
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DocScrutinizermxr == Maemo Xross Reference. Seems we should change the name :-P02:29
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lcukwhwat an awesome post
lcukthe questions and responses are cool02:34
lardman_night chaps02:34
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deltbbl (when i get the CABLE that is supposed to come with my n810) ...sigh (wtf was wrong with the mini-usb connectors?!??!?!?02:41
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GAN900Less durable? Larger?02:42
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satmdactually, the EU said, manufacturers have to find a COMMON adapter for their cell phones02:49
satmdmicro usb has become the defacto standard since then02:49
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satmdthe companies are trying to avoid being fined for having zillions of different chargers :P02:49
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SpeedEvilEU and china02:51
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luke-jr__satmd: screw the EU. does Finland participate in that?03:50
luke-jr__aww, they are03:52
DocScrutinizerdoes it matter? Nokia wants to sell phones not only in Finland03:53
luke-jr__in any case, what's wrong with MicroUSB? seems fine to me03:53
luke-jr__it's not like Nokia *changed* from whateverothreUSB03:53
DocScrutinizerwhining for 2 or 3 cables from attic aren't useful anymore, each the value of what? 3$?03:55
luke-jr__pretty sure I have more MicroUSB cables than other USB cables except those big A ones03:55
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luke-jr__that hard drives and such use03:55
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DocScrutinizerbig B, even micro cables like CA-101 have big A one end03:58
luke-jr__why don't they just call them Host, USB2, MicroUSB2, and USB3? ;P03:59
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luke-jr__does USB3 have a new Micro version too?03:59
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luke-jr__if so, wouldn't it technically break EU's rule? :P04:00
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DocScrutinizerprolly not, as usb3 receptacles are supposed to be backward compatible04:00
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DocScrutinizerso a N99000 with micro-USB3 should still fit to the N900 USB charger04:02
luke-jr__not on both ends04:02
DocScrutinizerwho knows04:03
DocScrutinizerN99000 comes with euro mains outlet04:03
DocScrutinizercan self-charge ;-P04:04
DocScrutinizeryou just need to install perpetuum mobile app04:05
h4waiiDon't give that app out dude.04:05
h4waiiI sent it to you in confidence.04:05
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luke-jr__h4waii: I'll keep it secret :x04:22
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opdf2Opened my Conversations app, found a red triangle on one of my conversations04:52
opdf2Texts are received and sent fine04:52
opdf2How do I get rid of the red triangle?04:52
opdf2The only way I've found so far is replacing el-v1.db from a backup04:52
opdf2Can I edit the db to remove an offending element?04:56
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SpeedEvilit's a sql db05:03
SpeedEvilsqlite can in principle let you edit it05:03
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DocScrutinizeranybody knowing C here? If I got a "int x;" and I do a "funcXY(blah, x)", what will be passed to the funcXY on stack? The value of x, or a addresspointer to x?05:14
DocScrutinizerIOW, can value of x be changed and returned to caller, inside funcXY?05:15
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nox-int.s are passed by value, if you want by reference you need a pointer int *x and pass it via func(&x)05:17
DocScrutinizernox, moment please05:18
nox-s/need a pointer/need to pass the fn a pointer/05:18
infobotnox- meant: int.s are passed by value, if you want by reference you need to pass the fn a pointer int *x and pass it via func(&x)05:18
DocScrutinizer;a=blob;f=drivers/usb/musb/musb_procfs.c;h=8d2b425cbb2f3d63db84e26c4c9c6b4f0e079337;hb=mohammad-patch line 900:  spin_lock_irqsave(&musb->lock, flags);05:18
DocScrutinizerflags looks like a bug to me here05:19
nox-oh spin_lock_irqsave needs to change it?05:19
DocScrutinizerflags is unsigned long flags05:19
DocScrutinizerdunno, but it's not initialized anyway05:20
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DocScrutinizerso either it's useless, then wtf? or they did something wrong05:21
DocScrutinizerand if it's only they assumed a var is 0 on instantiation05:21
DocScrutinizerhmm, fine :-/ now *I* have the problem to decide what to do with it05:22
DocScrutinizerif only I hadn't asked :-P05:22
DocScrutinizermany thanks :-D05:22
nox-looks like in
nox-flags is never read only written to05:23
nox-so it being unitialized should be ok in this case05:23
nox-(that said, i know the freebsd kernel better than the linux one... :)05:24
luke-jr__DocScrutinizer: also notable, is that a macro might take a pointer. eg, #define myevilfunc(var) myevilfunc(&var)05:24
DocScrutinizernox-: fair enough05:24
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DocScrutinizerluke-jr__: yeah, that's roughly what's done here05:25
DocScrutinizerI love obfuscated C05:26
luke-jr__I think that falls under "macro abuse"05:26
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DocScrutinizerthe bad message: is using a method to establish USB hostmode, which is really virtually impossible to get complete control upon, and so will probably fail on quite a number of devices.    The good message: this is the deprecated and difficult one (fake HNP) of two possible methods to establish hostmode. We're now going to have a closer look in the presumably easier one which is exploiting MUSB_TEST_FORCE_HOST bit. When even the05:57
DocScrutinizercomplicated method is obviously working for several users, I've good hopes for the latter one to yield even better results in a short while05:57
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DocScrutinizerCuMLIX <vboost> LFe06:10
DocScrutinizerjust a shot from the hip06:10
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DocScrutinizerStatus: MHDRC, Mode=Host (Power=62, DevCtl=38)06:17
DocScrutinizerOTG state: a_host:9; inactive06:17
DocScrutinizerno enum it seems06:17
DocScrutinizermeh, enough for today06:18
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DocScrutinizeroops, ECHAN  :-P06:22
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wmaroneMyuu Attack!06:25
wmaronewoo, wrong channel06:30
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jpinx-eeepcI'm ssh'd into the n900 - is there any way I can send text messages via ssh ?07:52
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pupnik_good question jpinx-eeepc08:01
ds3along those lines, has anyone found a way to block or ignore messages (IM or SMS) from a contact?08:02
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pupnik_Morning Joe shows Peter Schiff's predictions, vindicates them, and Schiff explains the future of the economic crisis:
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mavhcn810 just turned itself off, wouldn't turn on, battery and sd out, gets to white screen then reboots, charger in and battery charging thing comes on, suggestions?09:06
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fluxmavhc, try charging longer?09:16
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keriojpinx-eeepc: a dbus message of some sorts, probably09:43
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DocScrutinizerhmm, dissect cherry?10:06
DocScrutinizermaybe even this abomination is worth for something :-P10:07
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budfiveAnybody know why my n900 would be unable to play the ringtone without choking on it for a bit? The ringtone is a .wav of maybe 0.5 seconds. It's consistently glitching half-way through every time10:11
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norayrhey, people of maemo10:52
norayrI would like to use qemu with diablo image instead of Nokia SDK, becauseit does not support amd64 or powerpc (my platforms)10:52
norayrI've built qemu with n900 patches, to run meego on it10:53
norayrBut I'm not sure that diablo will work there10:53
norayrDid anyone try to run development environment in qemu?10:53
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norayrOK, how to dump installed image of diablo, and kernel from a real Nokia?11:01
norayrin order to try it in qemu?11:01
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norayrOr it will complicate of process of building/preparing packages?11:02
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jacekowskinorayr: it works on my amd6412:06
jacekowskinorayr: just disable vdso12:07
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norayrok, thanks, i'll try12:10
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norayrAnyway, it's not crossplatform solution. I am downloading official sdk now, but I would like to be able to use qemu.12:15
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flexxxvDocScrutinizer, MohammadAG so you now logs of usb host or not???12:19
flexxxvyesterday you said u don't need logs because they wouldn't have enough detail and now there is a reques for more logs ind the forum...12:21
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sivangeverybody's asleep ? :)12:57
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* MNZ zzzz12:58
sivanghey VDVsx :)12:59
VDVsxhello Sickki13:00
sivangyes, it happens to me all the time with irssi auto-complete13:00
fralso/ VDVsx13:01
AtnNndoes anyone know an open-source replacement for the on-screen keyboard that works?13:01
fralsi ran into samppa at the airport on friday.. yesterday i saw the nice pictures of his arm lol13:01
sivangAtnNn: it mostly works for me , what's the issue?13:01
AtnNnthere's no good documentation for hildon input method plugins13:02
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sivangfrals: you I never managed to make fMMS work :)13:03
sivangfrals: *know13:03
sivangfrals: maybe something with my carrier, don't know13:03
VDVsxfrals, yeah, lol13:03
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MohammadAG51file a trout report13:04
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* MohammadAG51 slaps frals with a large trout13:04
sivangMohammadAG51: I should, or at leat fry a trout report13:05
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* frals slaps MohammadAG51 around a bit with a large trout13:05
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fralsvery annoyed with new twitter :(13:06
* MohammadAG51 didn't get it yet13:06
MNZnew twitter is awesome!13:07
MNZconversations are so much easier to follow and understand, even if you don't follow all the participants in a convo13:07
* sivang hopes twitter won't become the new "google" as developer's best friend ;)13:08
MohammadAG51tweetdeck ftw13:08
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fralsMNZ: its shit in microb :(13:09
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fralscant scroll in the right pane, doesnt fit horizontally without scrolling :(13:09
MNZfrals, oh that... hrm. Khweeteur(sp?) then :P13:09
sivangyer knaw, MicroB is rather amazing, even compared to desktop browsers.13:09
HoxzerI hate when I accidently click a link when I scroll the page.13:10
sivangHoxzer: that's true, but that is probably not related to the browser but to the gesture tweaking13:10
sivangHoxzer: the browser probably just responds to a "click" event from its POV13:11
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neo-the_one“You can search throughout the entire universe for someone who is more deserving of your love and affection than you are yourself, and that person is not to be found anywhere. You, yourself, as much as anybody in the entire universe, deserve your love and affection.”13:26
neo-the_one“Thousands of candles can be lit from a single candle, and the life of the candle will not be shortened. Happiness never decreases by being shared.”13:26
neo-the_one“An idea that is developed and put into action is more important than an idea that exists only as an idea.”13:26
neo-the_one“An insincere and evil friend is more to be feared than a wild beast; a wild beast may wound your body, but an evil friend will wound your mind.”13:26
neo-the_one“Three things cannot be long hidden: the sun, the moon, and the truth.”13:26
neo-the_one“All that we are is the result of what we have thought. The mind is everything. What we think we become.”13:26
neo-the_one“Peace comes from within. Do not seek it without.”13:26
neo-the_one“To understand everything is to forgive everything”13:26
neo-the_one“You will not be punished for your anger, you will be punished by your anger.”13:26
neo-the_one“A dog is not considered a good dog because he is a good barker. A man is not considered a good man because he is a good talker.”13:26
neo-the_one“Those who are free of resentful thoughts surely find peace.”13:26
neo-the_one“However many holy words you read,However many you speak,What good will they do you If you do not act on upon them?”13:26
neo-the_one“We are shaped by our thoughts; we become what we think. When the mind is pure, joy follows like a shadow that never leaves.”13:26
neo-the_one“You cannot travel the path until you have become the path itself”13:26
neo-the_one“An idea that is developed and put into action is more important than an idea that exists only as an idea.”13:26
neo-the_one“When you realize how perfect everything is you will tilt your head back and laugh at the sky”13:26
neo-the_one“A jug fills drop by drop.”13:26
neo-the_one“The only real failure in life is not to be true to the best one knows.”13:26
neo-the_one“Believe nothing, no matter where you read it, or who said it, no matter if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your own common sense.”13:26
neo-the_one“Even death is not to be feared by13:26
sivangMaemo's daily eastern musings?13:27
jacekowskigo back to you matrix13:28
sivangwell, there's one thing right there- 11:28 < neo-the_one> “An idea that is developed and put into action is more important than an idea that exists only as an  idea.”13:28
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sivangjacekowski: he's doing that a lot and craws back into his matrix?13:30
SpeedEvilTalking profound shit is easy. Doing profound shit is hard.13:31
SpeedEvilMy thought for the day.13:31
sivangSpeedEvil: yes, that's more or less rephrases it neatly.13:31
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jacekowskii hate usb13:34
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jacekowskiso poorly designed protocol13:34
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alteregojacekowski: why do you think it's poorly designed?13:37
delorI have following problem while installing python-pygame
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jacekowskibit stuffing to stop long zero runs13:38
jacekowskiand that makes my decoder so much more complicated13:38
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* sivang tries to find the hwoto for setting up USB network between the device and pc13:39
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delorcould anybody help me with installing pygame?13:41
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sivangdelor: are you upgraded to latest version of libs/ maemo? you seem have to a confllicting files from 2 packages,13:46
sivangdelor: there's a switch to make one override the other, but I wouldn't recommend it before trying to sort it diffrently13:47
sivangdelor: so try to remove, update, and try again13:47
sivangdelor: I'eve never installed pygame on Maemo, FYI13:47
sivangdelor: this is general apt advice13:47
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sivangdelor: or rather, dpkg advice13:49
darkschneidermmm, when i press Fn+Ctrl (for popping up the sym menu) and then select the ` to compose an accented letter, the ` key does not highlight anymore (i have maemo 5, vanilla from nokia) it's probably a know bug, any workaround?13:51
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darkschneideron a nokia N900, arg, quite important info13:52
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SpeedEvilOdd. Insalled anything?13:52
darkschneiderrecentrly no13:54
darkschneideri installed something that may have done it starting13:54
darkschneiderand i discovered that it is triggered by connecting it to USB13:54
darkschneiderif i reboot it goes away and works perfectly anymore13:55
darkschneideri can do a test just now13:55
delorsivang: what would you do in this situation?13:56
SpeedEvil- usb13:57
darkschneiderbooting and testing, second :)13:57
SpeedEvilnothing springs to mind, sorry.13:57
darkschneiderok rebooted and perfectly working. connecting to usb and closing the usb menu so it just recharge13:58
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sivangdelor: removing the pygae stuff, apt-get -f install13:59
sivangdelor: letting it finish, then upgrading and making sure you are current on stuff, and try reinstall, if that deos not help, I recommend making sure the libs that the dependencies pull or provided by are not already provided by some other package, if so this might be a bug in either of them, if this is an extras-devel/testing then this might be and you should take care to know what you are doing.14:01
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delorsivang: apt-get -f install output:
darkschneiderbad.... test failed, now it works even after connection. But it must related to something when i connect it, because it does that each morning, after it worked all day i attach it to charge to usb, and the next morning it does not highlight anymore14:02
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SpeedEvilhave you got anything installed that does anything on connection - or alters the keyboard setup14:03
sivangdelor: not sure about that though, ask others, it probably has something to do with "optification" for example, please ask others that is the far I can go with this :)14:03
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RST38hmoo all14:08
sivangyo RST38h14:08
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sivanghmm, I'm getting "device memory filled" notifications, /me tries to remove the yesterdayly installed pycallblocker14:09
sivangwhen it says that, it means no room on rootfs?14:09
sivangand the dvice mostly refused to do anything I do14:09
sivangoh right, /me opens the terminal14:10
sivangyet another vauge notification (tm)14:10
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keriofilling the FS completely is bad14:10
RST38hvague, sivang14:10
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sivangRST38h: err, yes :) I never get this one right14:11
sivangRST38h: at least I'm not saying "You Loose!" :-p14:11
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* sivang ROTFls when he recalls that from what timeless told him about an insulting game on one of the early nokia's phone.14:12
sivangright, so rootfs is filled.14:12
* sivang checks what ate it.14:12
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SpeedEvilgfind / -size +1000k -ctime -214:14
* sivang tries to reach for the pipe char, ar this is better, thanks SpeedEvil 14:14
RST38hbtw, should everything under /opt be owned by root:root?14:16
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sivanghmm, I got not gfind14:16
keriosivang: install it :D14:18
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sivangkerio: with not room on rootfs? how does that optification on the flu works?14:20
sivangkerio: does it need room on rootfs? err, but everything else apt needs it...14:20
kerio(that's the sound of the joke flying right over your head)14:20
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sivangkerio: notice I wrote "optification on the flu" accidently :)14:22
ZogGsivang you did it on purpose14:23
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sivangZogG: Freudian_slip ?14:25
* sivang notes he works on sunday, on top of all14:26
* RST38h moos at ZogG evilly14:26
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ZogGsomething is makign weird noise in my chair when i type14:26
ZogGRST38h, aloha14:26
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sivangZogG: ah, I see you also should be working on Sunday =P14:28
* sivang reverts back to du14:28
ZogGwe have holidays14:28
ZogG!google Sukkot14:28
zgoldbergResults for Sukkot on Google:14:28
sivangZogG: well, but you are deduced vacation time14:28
sivangZogG: we work on hol hamoed14:28
ZogGwe alsso - but as office closed there are less people on shift - so i got only 2 shifts this week =(14:29
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sivangZogG: ah, I see , well, at least you ahve mroe time to tinker or threash the device :)14:29
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ZogGsivang right now i stare on it, as i want to send sms to that girl and i shoyuldn't =)14:31
sivangZogG: I have an app upcoming against it :)14:31
sivanganyway, lunch time14:32
ZogGsivang, electroshocking you on stupuid sms?14:32
ZogGRST38h, so sup?14:32
ZogGin soviet russia you don't send sms, sms sends you14:32
RST38hZogG: Sunday.14:32
ZogGRST38h, resting?14:33
RST38hZogG: Got Qt-based version of Speccy to compile and run yesterday. Found just how much Qt tools suck, exactly.14:33
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ZogGRST38h do you use qt based or gtk based DE on desktop?14:38
ZogGor you use windows?14:41
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RST38hZogG: I use a standard ubuntu desktop i.e.gnome14:48
RST38hand Windows too14:48
RST38h"Phone glitch lets Kansas residents set off tornado alarms by misdialing" <=== hehe14:49
ZogGdon't like ubuntu that much but it's ok on laptop imho14:49
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RST38hubuntu is the first linux ever that installed on my laptop without me having to have sex with it14:50
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DossisSo. After Flashing my touch screen doesnt response to anything anymore15:01
DossisIs there a way to fix it?15:01
Dossisflashing again didnt fix it15:01
RST38hHm, someone started installing Meego onto Android phone15:05
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DossisI think some software did broke my touch screen.. I installed psfreedom from extras-devel (it has some depencies can't remember what qt4 atleast), booted, crashed, booted, crashed, flashed it, and now touch screen isnt working anymore15:11
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jpinx-eeepcDossis: there is a limit to how much abuse anything will take, but i suggest you take the battery out and leave it overnight and reflash it tomorrow15:13
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* RST38h especially loves the "Limitations" section :)15:15
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ZogGRST38h, i got arch on laptop now, it's weird after gentoo =(15:19
sivangRST38h: speccy the game emulator?15:19
* sivang back from lunch15:19
sivangRST38h: I had to have sex with my 9.0 to make it love the wifi card in my crappy LG T30815:20
sivangRST38h: T38015:20
ZogGsivang system info app?15:20
ZogGsivang, atheros?15:20
* ZogG xmms2> Venetian Snares - Posers And Camera Phones ["My So-Called Life" 2010 Timesig]15:20
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RST38hZogG: I generally just want the system to work. Used FreeBSD for years, for exactly this reason.15:22
RST38hZogG: So, most Linuxes do not satisfy my main requirement15:22
sivangZogG: I don't recall the chip, it is not Atheros I think I haad to fight with a very bad driver instructions building and inserrting to kernel from teh vendor site15:23
sivangZogG: and I failed to reproduce the successful setup to the upgraded kernels afterwqrds.15:23
sivangZogG: 10.04 is too buggy for me, though15:23
ZogGRST38h you have to config it once and than it works exactly the way you want15:23
RST38hZogG: No, not really15:23
RST38hZogG: In practice, most Linuxes did not even boot on my laptops, for years15:24
ZogGRST38h ?15:24
ZogGRST38h something special in hardware?15:24
RST38hZogG: If they did, they missed many devices and had weird dependencies (like needing kernel sources for HelloWorld to work)15:24
RST38hZogG: No, just the OS being written by homebrewers for homebrewers15:25
RST38hZogG: FreeBSD worked on the same hardware15:25
ZogGwhat year was it?15:25
RST38hSo, great kudos to Ubuntu people for taking a toy and making it generally usable15:27
sivangI hear that driver is included in the LTS, but can't upgrade straight to ti since i Have 9.04 on the lappie right now and cross version upgrades have well, made me reinstall anyway so that is what I'll probably do.15:28
mavhcok, so n810 now boots (after charging for a bit longer, although it was on charge all night), but keeps just turning off, and battery-status says charging when it's not, and when it is15:30
sivangZogG: atheros normally provide fairly documented drivers, till date I don't recall how I made mine work in 9.04 following random guesses at build attempts of the vendor provided drivers15:32
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ZogGsivang where did you get n900?15:35
ZogGsivang, it's windows way //<sivang> I hear that driver is included in the LTS, but can't upgrade straight to ti since i Have 9.04 on the lappie right now and cross version upgrades have well, made me reinstall anyway so that is what I'll probably do.15:36
ZogGsivang atheros had no linux support15:36
ZogGtill 2.26.28 i think15:36
ZogGthere was madwifi drivers15:37
ZogGbut they were buggy15:37
ZogGand than one of the guys who developed it for atheros got job from atheros to support driver if i recall it right15:37
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psycho_oreosyes after a bit of dispute over licensing of ath5k Luis got hired by atheros15:39
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ZogGpsycho_oreos wasn't it before ath5k module15:42
h4waiiRuh roh, /opt is filling up quickly.15:42
ZogGor it was called that since madwifi?15:42
ZogGh4waii sudo rm -R /opt/* // i hope you understand it's joke =)15:43
h4waiiTime to start purging packages.15:43
psycho_oreosZogG, madwifi was the original driver that included proprietary HAL from atheros but ar5k (iirc) from freebsd was HAL-independent however I think ar5k had portions of the ath5k driver (which was initially to be linux's first HAL-independent driver) codes which lead to a dispute over licensing15:44
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ZogGanyway madwifi was buggy, especially with my card15:46
psycho_oreosits a long and complicated thing, its also well documented on the mailing list somewhere15:46
ZogGath5k is better but still not that good15:47
psycho_oreosath5k was really buggy initially but is now the future for atheros non-802.11n capable (and also not USB variants) chipsets15:47
ZogGmy card didn't support half things and sometimes after 30min - 1hour use just stop working - need to reboot15:47
ZogGpsycho_oreos there is ath9k15:47
psycho_oreosZogG, ath9k is where Luis was hired by atheros to make their atheros 802.11n chipsets natively supported under linux15:48
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psycho_oreosZogG, old news.. then there's ath6k, ath9k_htc, otus (superceded by ar9170 and supposedly a better variant carl9170 floating around).. and then there's that dormant ar5570 (I think)15:49
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jacekowskithat's drastic15:51
RST38hyou found it just now? a miracle!15:52
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sivangZogG: had no issues with ar on the desktop or in the Compaq Mini 310c16:23
sivangZogG: worked out of the box16:23
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sivangZogG: 9.0416:23
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ZogGsivang depends on chip16:24
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ZogGas well mine is old and i had problems back when module wasn't in kernel, not it's in there16:25
sivangZogG: ah okay, I will check the chip and report back16:25
lardmanafternoon chaps16:25
sivangafternoon lardman16:25
sivanglardman: How's the weather in your part of england?16:25
h4waiiLOL. Sygic Mobile Maps 10 tries to remove MyDocs and /home/user16:26
h4waiiWhat a screw up they've become.16:26
lardmanalright, bit grey but some sun coming through16:26
pupnik_lardman: could photo scanning be used to read a fairly large encryption key?  where are the upper bounds on n900?16:26
sivangZogG: I never believed randomly hitting a module rebulding over and over would make it actually work, but it did16:26
lardmanAm finally getting round to setting up my dev box and cursing the wonders of VDSO16:26
sivanglardman: ah, sorted :)16:27
lardmanpupnik_, what are you thinking in terms of bytes?16:27
sivanglardman: I wish it was a bit grey and less hot here, some rain would be appreciated16:27
lardmansivang: where are you?16:27
sivanglardman: mid-dole east :)16:27
lardmanah, warm no doubt :)16:27
sivangwarm, is , put nicely16:28
lardmanIt's colder here today - 10C, has been warm, grey and wet, not ideal16:28
sivang31C right now16:28
lardmanI'd swap for some sunshine! :)16:28
sivanglardman: you're invited16:28
ZogGlardman he is from country of Palestine :)16:28
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ZogGsivang what city are you from btw16:28
sivangZogG: Tel Aviv16:29
pupnik_it would have to be a strong key, costing days of effort16:29
ZogGsivang ha, i just moved to ramat-gan from there16:29
lardmanSo anyone tried to setup SB on Ubuntu Lucid Lynx 64bit? (choosing all the worst options - kernel doesn't allow VDSO to be disabled, 64bit-ness, etc.)16:29
sivangpupnik_: trying to make key imports through the camera?16:29
pupnik_yeah why not16:29
lardmanhow long pupnik_ ?16:29
ZogGlardman what is SB?16:30
sivangI think I am using 32bit ubuntu on 64bit hardware16:30
lardmanpupnik_: 64 bytes, yeah no worries16:30
sivangpupnik_: could be nice, so for example in keysining parties you just scan the other parties paper or business card16:31
lardmanyou need to choose a uri for the key16:31
lardmanso it would go key://nsdjkghasebjkfhasldh16:31
RST38hheya lardman, pupnik16:31
lardmanhi RST38h16:31
sivanglardman: ah right16:31
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ZogGsivang it's not that important16:31
sivangZogG: I am actuall yin the part close to Givataim16:31
lardmansivang: need some way to know what the payload of the barcode is16:32
ZogGthough now all apps are moved to 64 support you can go for 6416:32
ZogGsivang yad eliyahu?16:32
sivangZogG: a bit weary, from past experience :)16:32
sivangZogG: sort of, yes16:32
ZogGsivang i use 64bit gentoo =)16:32
ZogGas there is huge difference on compiling and video encoding16:32
sivangoh, that makes a bit of a difference16:32
sivangwe're getting terribly off topic, is that allowed here? :)16:33
sivangZogG: whehere in ramat gan?16:33
ZogGyes, till DocScrutinizer is asleep, he is banning everyone here =)16:34
sivanghad to get a cached copy of the aformentioned
ZogGsivang herzl near jabotinski16:34
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* DocScrutinizer51 bans ZogG 16:34
ZogGsivang there is topic on tmo and this is also on engadget i think16:34
ZogGDocScrutinizer51 =*16:35
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* ZogG stands on knees and prays to DocScrutinizer 16:35
ZogGglorry to the DocScrutinizer16:35
sivangat least it is sunday16:35
ZogGall glory*16:35
sivangDocScrutinizer: we hail thee16:35
DocScrutinizer51errrrr. k16:35
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sivangso the article suggests ditching meego/maemo and profit?16:36
ZogGi dunno16:37
DocScrutinizer51sivang: OT isn't OT until somebody shouts "OT" :-D16:37
ZogGbut i think it's just adv Nokia is trying to do16:37
sivangDocScrutinizer51: agreed and accounted for!16:37
ZogGas well i would laugh at meego that they copying android UI if i was google =)_16:37
* sivang always thought the pee gets cold quickly and then makes it worse than before peeing16:37
ZogGsivang it's true16:38
sivangso in a place like Finland, that's even worse16:38
sivang(-20 at some of the places?)16:38
sivanganyway, enough trash16:38
ZogGbut i liked to pee in winter at snow  when i took long bus rides back i was living in russia16:38
ZogGin soviet russia you do not pee your pants, your pants pees you16:39
sivangZogG: is this applicable in international channels? I only saw it on Hebrew feeds in Hebrew ofcourse :)16:39
* sivang is a bit embarrased to have this slip the local facebooksphere, yuck!16:39
ZogGsivang it's actually internet meme and it get there from interwebz like everything else16:40
sivangZogG: I see, well then.16:40
* sivang is back to feeing space on the device without gfind16:40
RST38h"USB hostmode prealpha" thread overrun by lemmings, ignoring.16:40
ZogGand don't say jews invented Chuck to make facts about him16:40
* sivang thinks the soviet russia paradigm could actually be implemeted using vtables!16:41
sivangnow that I think of it16:41
MohammadAGRST38h, lemming*16:41
ZogGRST38h people on TMO often are getting out of topic and making stupid post of nothing, like apps i want to see and i hate/love n900 =(16:41
ZogGMohammadAG good day pal16:42
RST38hZogG: No, not these people16:42
sivangyo MohammadAG16:42
ZogGRST38h still -- RAGE!!!16:42
RST38hZogG: The "it does not work for me, what it is supposed to do anyway?" people16:42
lardmanmmmmm, data.... :)16:42
MohammadAGheya ZogG16:42
MohammadAGand sivang :)16:42
ZogGMohammadAG next time you are doing any kind of terror bombimg, try not to kill sivang16:42
sivangMohammadAG: I was just telling lardman we'd love some rain :-)16:43
ZogGi just got it - your name is Sivan =))16:43
sivangZogG: sharp, aren't you?16:43
lardmanpupnik: did you see my response - yes would be quite easy to encode in a QR code, if you want it to be handled automatically then choose a uri, otherwise you could just copy and paste from mBarcode16:43
ZogGi hope you are girl =)16:43
sivanghrm, not.16:43
RST38hZogG: Is there any special reason why he should be spared?16:43
ZogGin israel it's hard to know the gender by name16:43
ZogGsivang, damn it, i already wanted to ask you out16:43
RST38hlardman: BTW, I have got a bug report16:44
lardmanRST38h: fire away16:44
lardmanthough as I'm currently installing sb, it may take a while for me to be able to do anything about it ;)16:44
RST38hlardman: 1) it is not clear when the Barcode app actually makes a shot. More than once I feverishly clicked the shutter button16:44
ZogGRST38h read the log, i though he is a chick =)16:44
sivangZogG: what are chances an Israeli girl called Sivan would be into N900/Maemo/MeeGo hacking ?16:45
* MohammadAG strangles ZogG 16:45
RST38hlardman: 2) Once you click on one of the plugins, the application seemingly hangs16:45
sivangZogG: Finnish girl named Henna, maybe16:45
sivangMohammadAG: thanks16:45
RST38hlardman: So I hoped you would show a busy cursor or something16:45
lardmanRST38h: yeah I'm going to change the code and give the user the option to only perform scanning when the shutter button has been pressed16:45
ZogGsivang haha, you know i hitted on one girl cause she had n900, even had a date16:45
RST38hlardman: #2 is actually more of a problem than #116:45
lardmanRST38h: 2) ok, good idea16:45
lardmanRST38h: could you add that to the TMO thread? I know it's a pain having to go to tmo ;)16:46
ZogGRST38h just rename the plugin button into pasue button16:46
RST38hlardman: if you give me the thread URL :)16:46
sivangZogG: she did? odd, everyone here has either N97 the most but otherwise they carry iphones.16:46
pupnikthanks lardman - funness!16:46
RST38hZogG: But this is sexist!16:46
lardmanRST38h: search for mbarcode, only thread with that title and 10k posts :p16:46
ZogGsivang, yeah it was wierd16:46
* sivang tries to spot the lemmings16:47
ZogGRST38h i'm guy, i don't care about this things16:47
ZogG spot=shot16:47
ZogGfixed you16:47
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lardmanpupnik: if you come up with something you want to do with the key, then post in the same TMO thread and I'll have a look at writing a plugin for you16:47
lardmanbbiab, waiting for the sb downloads to finish and installation script to fail16:48
ZogGMohammadAG i'm thinking to buy backbeat 903/90616:48
sivanglardman: happened to me already couple of times that last weeks, but today it finally finsihed and succeded.16:48
lardmanI'm back, can write some python Amazon scraping code for my book db app16:49
RST38hlardman: You may want to add "default plugin"16:49
RST38hlardman: Or automatically choose based on the barcode contents (i.e. URL = go to URL for example)16:50
lardmanthat is already done16:50
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RST38hlardman: Yes, I would add basic recognition of a few common data item formats (ISBNs, URLs, etc) and do default actions for them16:50
lardmaneadch plugin is allowed to see the data and if it thinks it can handle it, it is given a button16:50
RST38hskip the buttons16:50
RST38hthat is the extra stage that slows things down. if you are absolutely SURE you know what it is, do the default action16:51
lardmanthe idea was to allow people to choose which plugin - I know what you mean though16:51
sivangmbarcode is python? nice16:51
lardmanyeah, if only one plugin shows any interest it could skip the button and just go to the plugin, agreed16:51
lardmanmBarcode is C/C++16:52
sivangactually, I should check in sb16:52
sivanglardman: never mind the oise16:52
lardmanI got pythonQT compiling but didn't have a chance to push it to extras-devel and integrate it16:52
lardmanyeah is Qt16:52
lardmanI had planned to allow both C++ and Python plugins, but not got round to the pythonQT part yet16:53
MohammadAGhow do I connect a damn button with a dialog in Qt Designer?16:53
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lardmanin the meantime it's possible to register a DBus plugin which will start/raise your app and send it the data, which allows Qt, or anything else16:53
MohammadAGgod python is so much easier than C++/Qt16:53
lardmansure is16:53
MohammadAGand a bit more retarded16:53
sivanglardman: there's PySide, if you test it the team will appreciate bug reports.16:54
lardmanwrong way though16:54
lardmanI need to integrate Python scripting in a C++ app16:54
lardmanso pythonQt is the way to go (that's not the same as PyQt)16:55
sivangah, I was sure that was a type :)16:56
RST38hlardman: the default action thing can always be made an option though :)16:56
RST38hoh, lardman, please, AVOID using python in mbarcode, please16:56
lardmanRe Python, it will be optional16:57
lardmani.e. I may create a plugin which will handle all python plugins, that way the PythonQt stuff is separated from the main code, no unneeded deps, etc16:57
lardmanwe need a dialog to allow users to select plugins, disable them, etc., so adding a "use this by default" flag is certainly doable16:58
lardmanotoh, it's still quite nice to see what's in the barcode before you decide to open/handle it16:58
lardmanI guess that if it's on the back of a book or dvd this is not so important16:59
sivangthe user can apply "trust" to it if it comes from there I guess.17:01
lardmanwell they know what they're getting with a 1D code on a book17:01
lardmannot so much with a 2D code on a webpage or in a magazine17:01
lardmanhas anyone seen the geo:// uri in the wild?17:01
lardmanor even geo:17:02
RST38hlardman: I do think using all installed plugins is ok17:02
RST38hlardman: Don't want it -> uninstall it17:02
lardmanit'll do for now anyway17:03
lardmandrgaly's done good work on the interface, looks nice and slick now17:03
lardmandragly that should be of course, can't type17:03
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sivanglardman: PythonQt wraps around Python interpreter C object into Qt?17:06
lardmanhmm, my N900 really needs a TweakUI style app to alter the transition delays rather than fiddling with an .ini file17:07
lcuktransitioncontrol - written by konttori17:07
lcukin -devel17:07
lardmanI thought it was gone now17:08
lcukmorning \o17:08
lardmanI'll look17:08
lardmanhi lcuk17:08
lcuklardman, so you have c++ plugins! or are they c clugins?17:08
lcuk(i noticed c++ does not expose symbols to be available to apps without the extern "C"{..} bit17:09
RST38hnot exactly17:10
RST38hC++ exposes symbols just fine but it mangles them17:10
lcukok then, it exposes them but munged17:10
RST38hextern "C" keeps them intact17:10
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lardman~curse HAM for being sooooo slllloooooowwwww17:13
infobotMay you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, HAM for being sooooo slllloooooowwwww !17:13
sivangit also won't allow you to uninstall crap once it installed too much of it :)17:13
infobotsivang meant: I also won't allow you to uninstall crap once it installed too much of it :)17:13
lardmanhow can I add my deb line to source.list from the command line?17:15
lardmannot using vi17:15
jogamaybe using echo and >>? ;)17:15
lardmansome way of echoing a cr then the line itself?17:15
sivanglardman: echo "..." >> sources.list?17:15
lardmanwill that add a new line too?17:15
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sivanglardman: you don't need a cr17:15
sivanglardman: yes17:15
lardmanthanks chaps17:16
sivanglardman: thank you for making mbarcode :)17:16
lardmanthank dragly for making it look nice17:16
sivangcrap, this is BusyBoxe's DU!17:18
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lardmanlcuk: cool found transitioncontrol, now I just need to work out what each setting does! :)17:19
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felipecdamn! GStreamer's flacparse was horrible, after fixing it now flac decoding is 3x faster17:26
lardmanwhat was the problem with it?17:27
MNZnice felipec!17:27
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felipeclardman: everything17:28
MohammadAGh4waii, roger :)17:28
DocScrutinizerlardman: ever heard of echo -e ?17:29
felipecit was parsing the whole data, and using GStreamer's bytereader, which is horrible17:29
MohammadAGlardman, quite frankly, you'll find editing the file easier17:29
MohammadAGtransitioncontrol is not well detailed17:29
felipecso horrible that it was taking for parsing twice the mount of CPU that FFmpeg takes for decoding17:30
DocScrutinizerooh editing :-D sed ftw17:30
lardmanDocScrutinizer: nope17:30
lardmanMohammadAG: fair enough - I've removed the transitions now, but it still seems to pause, just wondering if that's an enforced pause17:30
MohammadAGhildon-desktop's source code would be easier to look at :P17:32
* sivang wonders how many of Maemo's compoenent and architecture will be in MeeGo17:33
DocScrutinizerseems none17:33
sivangit seems easier to look at the maemo architecture diagram then MeeGo's, it is much more detailed17:33
sivangDocScrutinizer: seriously?17:34
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sivangDocScrutinizer: so fro example, a new email client will be created?17:34
DocScrutinizereither they're not maemo but general linux, or they're not going to meego17:34
sivangbut lots of maemo is genral linux17:34
sivanggconf, modest, farsight2 et17:34
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DocScrutinizerwell, dunno about modest, but for sure none of the closed apps will go to meego17:35
sivangright, I guess that's a good thing.17:35
DocScrutinizermodulo nokia's special proprietary flavour of meego. They're free to sell whatever future meego device with same butload of proprietary stuff they did on maemo17:36
lardmanfinally, I'm back in business, sb working, etc17:36
DocScrutinizerand honestly I have no idea how comprehensive the core meego set of apps will be17:37
Stskeepslardman: and just in time to try out
lardmanor importantly whether they will be well designed for the different screen sizes and other constraints17:38
lardmanStskeeps: yay!17:38
lardmanStskeeps: still need to install a chroot and the image build tools mind you17:39
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lardmanoh that's flashable, cool17:39
DocScrutinizersivang: maybe ask Stskeeps - he should know much better17:40
sivangStskeeps: call audio works?17:40
sivangDocScrutinizer: yes, he seems to eb knowledgeable17:40
* lardman searches for a spare uSD card17:40
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Stskeepssivang: yes17:42
Stskeepslardman: dd'able, rather17:42
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steinexmeego useable yet?17:43
sivangStskeeps: wow, so it is now in trunk of meego-arm?17:43
DocScrutinizerStskeeps: could you explain in telegram style how dual booting to meego works? (like "NOLO->maemokernel->chroot->...")17:43
sivangthis is NICE17:43
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StskeepsDocScrutinizer: flasher -l -k vmlinuz -b17:44
sivangDocScrutinizer: there's the boot off uSD with a pc host way no?17:44
StskeepsDocScrutinizer: ie, cheating17:44
StskeepsDocScrutinizer: uboot is next step17:44
sivangyes, and ubifs support is needed17:44
* sivang recites well17:45
sivangStskeeps: you are a good teacher :)17:45
DocScrutinizerStskeeps: is this loading a new kernel to memory on runtime during "boot" of meego from maemo?17:45
lardmancan you do that with the on-device flasher?17:46
StskeepsDocScrutinizer: loads it on boot over usb17:46
lardmanpresumably not now I think about it17:46
DocScrutinizerooh, so you need a 'started host'17:46
sivangDocScrutinizer: thus requireing a PC host17:46
infobotDocScrutinizer meant: ooh, so you need a 'starter host'17:46
StskeepsDocScrutinizer: right, we are going to use uboot too for 'real' multiboot17:47
Stskeepsbut this way is nicely non-destructive17:47
DocScrutinizercool, looking forward to that17:47
lardmanhmm, does flasher work on 64bit Linux?17:47
MNZlardman, yes17:48
DocScrutinizercouldn't you shoot the new kernel to ram memory the dirty hard way, from maemo userland?17:48
lardmanbut is just unhappy to be installed from deb I guess17:48
sivangnotification-daemon has got to have something in place for filtering repeated messages in shrot period of time17:49
MNZlardman, yeah, you need to --force-architecture17:49
lardmanah ok17:49
sivangtrying to edit the usb netowrking settings while getting those now annoying popups is not cool17:49
* DocScrutinizer seems to remember there's been a loadlinux.exe in the old days...17:49
StskeepsDocScrutinizer: kexec and arm drivers arent friends17:49
sivangrsyslog has it, so can notif-daemon?17:49
DocScrutinizerStskeeps: not kexec17:49
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sivangDocScrutinizer: how then?17:49
DocScrutinizerreally brute force17:49
sivangDocScrutinizer: forcefully copying to memory and JUMPing?17:50
DocScrutinizerwrite to memory absolute address, the jump to start of that program text17:50
DocScrutinizersivang: exactly17:50
StskeepsDocScrutinizer: thats fairly like kexec17:50
* MNZ imagines all the chaos that would create17:50
MNZwouldn't the device drivers go crazy?17:50
sivangMNZ: they won't "exist" anymore, per se17:51
DocScrutinizerMNZ: in host system it simply would kill everything. Luckily you're never returning to host system17:51
Stskeepsreentry is the issue17:51
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MNZthe newly loaded device drivers I mean. The hw would be in a certain state and maybe the driver can't handle being loaded on already working/set-up hardware17:51
DocScrutinizerkill scheduling all together, disable all timer IRQs17:52
sivangMNZ: right, so some resetting prior to the copying and JUMPing would be needed.17:52
sivangDocScrutinizer: killing scheduling would mean everything else dies?17:53
MNZ'some' is an understatement sivang :D17:53
DocScrutinizerStskeeps: then there'll be no reentry. the copy loop moving 4MB to a ram location, then next assembler opcode is a JMP 017:53
sivangMNZ: ;)17:53
DocScrutinizersivang: whole system dies as soon as JMP start-of-new-kernel17:53
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sivangDocScrutinizer: okay, but what if hardware still in waiting/up mode?17:54
lardmanthe hw should be initialised by the new drivers17:54
sivangah right, a driver should not assume anything of a previous state.17:54
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satmdyou'll have a warm boot17:55
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DocScrutinizerMNZ: (kernel can't handle...) nope, kernel mustn't make any assumptions about state of hw, usually. NOLO also is messing with hw17:55
lardmanbut it might still be prettier to shut stuff down, to prevent odd screen and sound effects17:55
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daleglassCan I just mkfs.ext3 on /home/user/MyDocs, or there's something else that would need to be fixed?17:55
h4waiiWhy would you do that?17:56
daleglasswhy not? I'm a 100% Linux user, no need to limit myself to vfat17:56
h4waiiJournaling it will slow it down. Dramatically.17:56
steinexcan i install meego without an sdcard natively on the n900 already?17:56
h4waiiYou'll bring a new limit.17:56
Stskeepssteinex: you don't really want to, will wipe your emmc17:57
h4waiiand you'll have to ask somebody how it will react, not being vFat17:57
DocScrutinizerlardman: you can do as much of suspending or switching-off to the hw as you like, in meegostart-brute-force maemo ELF, prior to 'loading' the new kernel17:57
sivangdaleglass: you don't want to it be accessible from Windows?17:57
steinexStskeeps: why is that a bad thing?17:57
steinexi have no critical data on here anyway17:58
Stskeepssteinex: most people have a lot of data in those 32gb.. besides that, there's no easy way to make own mmc image17:58
daleglasssivang: never use it, and I generally upload stuff through ssh anyway17:58
Stskeepsie, flashable by softupd17:58
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sivangStskeeps: wait a sec, so waht do you do if you bricked and need to recover? :)17:59
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sivangah no easy, so there is a way :)17:59
h4waiiWrite it directly.17:59
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DocScrutinizerStskeeps: (no easy way) but it's easy to change partition sizes, and maybe also rather easy to add new partitions17:59
DocScrutinizerfor a VANILLA file18:00
DocScrutinizersed -e "s/2048/$NEW-HOME-SIZE/" path/to/*VANILLA*.bin >patched-VANILLA.bin18:00
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Stskeepsthe other issue is that emmc flashing (softupd) is closed source18:05
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* DocScrutinizer51 wonders if flasher-3.5 --local can already do all this maemostart-brute-force kernel loading to ram, from maemo18:06
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sivangStskeeps: but freely available?18:07
* lardman twiddles thumbs waiting for dd to finish18:07
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* lardman twiddles thumbs waiting for 32bit libs to install so he can use the flasher18:19
* h4waii jumps on the table18:20
lardmanflashed, time to see the wonders of Meego first hand :)18:21
daleglassdid they move past the "show an xterm" stage?18:21
lardmanI have a cursor18:21
kerioi thought they had the handset UI already there18:21
w00tthey do, yes18:22
lardmanhmm, needs something so you know it's still alive, rather than 30s+ of black screen during boot18:22
kerioit needs a lot of things18:23
lardmansure, just thinking out loud18:23
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daleglassHmm, /home is rewritten when the EMMC image is flashed, right?18:25
sivangusb networking deos not seem to love me18:25
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sivangset up everything as in the doc, still not go18:26
sivangmodules ar eup18:26
sivangboth in ubuntu and Maemo, any obvious stuff to check as starters?18:26
Stskeepsand 10.04 needed18:27
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jpinx-eeepcsivang: pastebin what you did and the errors18:29
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jpinx-eeepcsivang: specifically pastebin /etc/resolv.conf and /etc/network/interfaces from both the n900 and the computer18:30
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sivangjpinx-eeepc: sure, I did not do much, enabled the modules, set ips, route add gw and ping18:42
* sivang pastes18:42
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* sivang hates playing with default routes18:49
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sivangkthomas_vh_: another fellow N90 user from .il ?18:51
kthomas_vh_sivang,   well hello18:52
MohammadAGsivang, you're from IL?18:52
MohammadAGmust've missed that somewhere18:52
sivangMohammadAG: I am, told you a couple of times when we ranted about how poor Orange's service is in here :)18:52
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sivangkthomas_vh_: have you like MohammadAG sinned with development as well? :)18:53
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sivangMohammadAG: when you had issues and had to use near 56k connection , rmember?:)18:53
sivangjpinx-eeepc: anything wrong with the network conffile?18:54
kthomas_vh_with all this cloaking going on,18:54
kthomas_vh_can't even tell where anyone is from anymore :P18:54
jpinx-eeepcsivang: not sure about having gateways in both directions...18:54
* kthomas_vh_ cues song18:54
MohammadAGsivang, ah, when I was in jordan lol18:55
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sivangMohammadAG: ah, okay heh18:56
sivangMohammadAG: service is quite poor in .il as well, but at least UMTS works for most of the parts18:56
sivangMohammadAG: service= service representative, consistent billing etc18:56
MohammadAG3G sucks18:56
MohammadAGin Jordan I got 7.2MBps speeds on 3G18:57
MohammadAGi.e + 1MB/s18:57
* sivang drove last night from Haifa to Tel Aviv listening to The Voice18:57
sivangMohammadAG: you can't get this here.18:57
sivangMohammadAG: technically advance, practically crippled :-p18:57
* RST38h is mostly pissed off at hand-off problems between 2G and 3G18:58
RST38hThey are bad enough to make me force N900 into 2G18:58
* kthomas_vh_ looks around for the Orange 3G dongle18:59
sivangkthomas_vh_: I don't think it gets you more then 2.8mbps18:59
sivangRST38h: you mean switching?18:59
RST38hsivang: autoswitching between 2g and 3g, as I am riding a bus or something19:00
kthomas_vh_sivang,  and lucky at that19:00
RST38hconfuses the hell out of the device19:00
kthomas_vh_we've also lost the darn thing (not me...!)19:00
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MohammadAGyou can get 8 from the one sold in JO19:01
MohammadAGand JO isn't really more advanced than IL, so I'm a bit stumped19:02
ZogGwait you sold drugs in JO?19:02
MohammadAG~rape ZogG19:03
* infobot takes ZogG behind the WallMart and makes a few grunts and screams19:03
sivangMohammadAG: .il is randomly adanced19:04
ZogGoh yeah19:04
ZogGone more time please19:04
sivangRST38h: you also need to use
sivangZogG: dude, you're disturbed19:04
RST38hfortunately, no19:04
MohammadAGRST38h, doesn't live in IL19:04
sivangRST38h: close?19:05
MohammadAGnot even remotely19:05
RST38hsivang: .RU19:05
RST38hMohammad: well we are in the same time zone19:05
sivange.g advanced in odd and very domain difference things19:05
sivangtried of this latency19:05
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kthomas_vh_short flight if you're in the same time zone19:05
* sivang logso out of his server and connects directly.19:05
sivangkthomas_vh_: you lost an N900?19:06
kthomas_vh_anyone in .IL want a N810?19:06
MohammadAGif you live at the exact north pole of the earth19:06
MohammadAGwhat time zone are you in?19:06
MohammadAGgeographical, not magnetic north19:06
kthomas_vh_sivang,  N,  just a USB 3G dongle from Orange19:06
RST38hMohammad: Determined by whoever owns the pole19:06
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sivangkthomas_vh_: eh, they charge an outrageous fee for it19:06
sivanganyway, be right back19:06
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ZogGkthomas_vh_ how much?19:06
kthomas_vh_sivang,  we got it for free19:06
ZogGdoes it work?19:07
kthomas_vh_works fine19:07
RST38hMohammad: As nobody lives there on the permanent basis, you can as well claim that the pole has no time zone19:07
kthomas_vh_well taken care of19:07
ZogGhow much?19:07
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sivangthat's better.19:07
* kthomas_vh_ thinks19:07
sivangfor N810?19:07
ZogGhow much dollars is it?19:07
* kthomas_vh_ wonders if that should be more, or less19:08
kthomas_vh_ZogG, you're not in .il?19:08
ZogGi am in here19:08
kthomas_vh_ok,  OK19:08
ZogGjust want to compare to prices in net19:08
kthomas_vh_that's ~$217 today19:09
MohammadAGRST38h, lol19:09
MohammadAGsexy price19:09
MohammadAGwhere exactly in IL?19:09
sivangclose to tlv19:10
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MohammadAGdo you take payment in credit cards? :P19:10
kthomas_vh_in TLV19:10
MohammadAGhow is it? Like new, used, abused, "you'll wish you didn't buy it"?19:11
javispedroMohammadAG: it's time for you to get an n810!19:11
kthomas_vh_MohammadAG,  how many gold cards can you bring me?19:11
javispedroand, btw, moo.19:11
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MohammadAGkthomas_vh_, visas, visa cals :P19:11
MohammadAGjavispedro, that's why I'm asking about it :P19:12
kthomas_vh_it's used,  very good condition19:12
MohammadAGdoes IL even have wimax? lol19:12
kthomas_vh_it does and I even saw somone who had made it work19:12
RST38hhey javispedro19:12
kthomas_vh_but I didn't feel like19:13
javispedroafternoon RST38h19:13
kthomas_vh_losing that much time19:13
MohammadAGgrr, if only I had a license or something19:14
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MohammadAGI would've came to tel aviv, it's only half an hour away19:14
MohammadAG(speed limits would disagree but... meh)19:14
kthomas_vh_where are you?19:14
jacekowskii thought you were in jordan?19:14
kthomas_vh_oh,  I'll probably be over there friday19:14
* kthomas_vh_ too19:14
MohammadAGI was in jordan, summer holidays19:14
sivanghe's enjoying a bit colder weather then us19:15
sivangkthomas_vh_: where in Tel Aviv?19:15
jacekowskiwhat are the speed limits in .il?19:15
sivangkthomas_vh_: you visitng or here for work?19:15
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MohammadAGor 9019:15
sivangjacekowski: KMH19:15
jacekowskion motorway?19:15
sivangyes :)19:15
sivangon the wide Ayalon you can drive almost 10019:15
MohammadAGmy dad drives @ 120-130 on the motorway though19:15
kthomas_vh_sivang, some of that... it was high holidays,  after all19:15
jacekowskiin england it's ~115kmh19:16
sivangkthomas_vh_: true19:16
jacekowskiand everybody does more19:16
sivangkthomas_vh_: and you work in mobile area?19:16
MohammadAGbetween telaviv and jerusalem19:16
sivangjacekowski: yes19:16
jacekowskii'm ussualy closer to 16019:16
sivangjacekowski: Autoban?19:16
MohammadAGI don't even a damn license19:16
jacekowskior A class road19:16
jacekowskiMohammadAG: that's bad19:16
sivangMohammadAG: you can start practicing no?19:16
jacekowskiMohammadAG: have you been in army?19:17
MohammadAGI turned 17 in august19:17
jacekowskihmm, so next year19:17
MohammadAGjacekowski, no, hint's in the name :P19:17
MohammadAGnope, that's for israelis only afaik19:17
sivangjacekowski: we have issue, don't ask :)19:17
kthomas_vh_sivang,  primarily I make little tech parts of Drupal work,  these days for $19:17
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kthomas_vh_or at least,  for real $19:18
sivangkthomas_vh_: ah I see19:18
sivangkthomas_vh_: where are you originally?19:18
kthomas_vh_grew up mostly in the US,  mostly in Kentucky19:19
RST38hFileBox thread overrun by lemmings.19:19
kthomas_vh_if you keep this up I'll tell you about going to Rosh Hashana at Vanderbilt,  and being served pork19:19
* RST38h wonders if it is time to unsubscribe19:20
sivangkthomas_vh_: hehe19:20
sivangkthomas_vh_: I don't do Pork.19:20
RST38hnothin' wrong with pork, as long as it is consumed under rabbinic supervision!19:20
javispedroRST38h: 27 pages for a file manager. it is definitely time to unsubscribe.19:20
sivangkthomas_vh_: where's Vanderbilt?19:21
kthomas_vh_after I dropped all the yiddish I know on the kid who organized,19:21
RST38hjavispedro: 80% of that is "It works for me, thanks" and "It doesn't work for me, why?"19:21
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kthomas_vh_he told me the deli charged the same whether he took the pork or not :)19:21
sivangoh dear19:21
kthomas_vh_=Nashville,  TN19:21
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kthomas_vh_TN= Tennessee :)19:22
javispedroRST38h: sigh19:22
RST38hjavispedro: I am still insisting on a moderated google group.19:23
RST38hjavispedro: With all the usual suspects getting posting rights, and the rest being able to read but not write for 1-3 months since joining19:23
ZogGsomebody brought porn to night shift19:23
jacekowskiZogG: that's old19:23
RST38hAin't Revolutionary Guards supposed to catch and prosecuted these people?19:24
ZogGnot in iran19:24
ZogGporn ftw19:24
javispedroRST38h: there's sometimes the single-post user who drops something insightful/useful then forever leaves. Such a system would leave him out.19:24
ZogGso it's common people who work at nuclear reactor =)19:24
RST38hjavispedro: there is moderation for that19:24
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javispedrohey Jaffa19:25
* sivang thinks that there might be enough people to have an .IL maemo hacking/meeting/sprint :-)19:25
RST38hjavispedro: get 5-10 moderators, let them pass some posts through, and grant posting privileges to new people once a week19:25
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kthomas_vh_anyway, MohammadAG,  if you're actually interested I should be in/around Jerusalem next weekend or so19:26
RST38hjavispedro: Alternatively, it may be possible to establish a complex points system that rates each poster in terms of contribution and lets reader filter the lemmings out19:26
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MohammadAGHmm, I actually was away, checked if I had 800 and I do19:26
RST38hjavispedro: But it is way more co,plicated technically19:26
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MohammadAGI'll ping you during the week I guess :)19:26
kthomas_vh_kk,  I'm pretty much always around (here)19:27
javispedroRST38h: I believe "reader-configurable" is the keyword here, and also the way to go.19:27
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RST38hjavispedro: yea, except that nobody is going to make tmo reader-configurable19:28
RST38hjavispedro: so it will have to be a separate forum19:28
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javispedrowho knows.19:29
javispedroat this point thought there's only one future for tmo, and you all know it :)19:30
RST38hjavispedro: I know for sure19:30
RST38hjavispedro: What I find the most amusing is that when Nokia releases the Harmattan device, it will lack support and/or community THE VERY MOMENT it is produced19:31
h4waiiWait, what?19:31
RST38hjavispedro: As it is basicaly going to be a Maemo, which Nokia has now officially abandoned19:31
h4waii<javispedro> at this point thought there's only one future for tmo, and you all know it :)19:32
h4waiiWhat are you referring to?19:32
javispedroRST38h: how's that different from previous devices? =)19:32
RST38hjavispedro: So it will be pretty amusing to see how Nokia's PR/marketing people will weasel their way out of this one ;)19:32
RST38hjavispedro: Of course it is different19:32
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javispedroI got the N810 knowing they where not dropping any more SSUs, I got the N900 knowing they would drop everything and switch to Qt19:33
RST38hjavispedro: With previous devices, there were Nokia-supported dev tools (SB), community (, and support (bugzilla)19:33
javispedroand god knows if I'll ever get the N900+1 even though I know they will switch to Meego.19:33
jacekowskiso there are no tools for meego?19:34
RST38hjavispedro: Yep, same here, but only because it does what the other devices on the market can't19:34
RST38hjacekowski: Harmattan is *not* Meego at the system level19:34
kerioi thought the n9 was supposed to run meego19:34
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RST38hjacekowski: So, it will most likely be based on Maemo dev tools + Qt19:34
RST38hIt is possible that Meego Devices will officially switch developers to MADDE, too19:35
Stskeepsi'd say that's quite likely, given that that's what meego sdk is based on19:35
Stskeepsie, non-platform sdk19:35
RST38hOtherwise they will have to support SB1 for god knows how long (they dropped SB2 already)19:36
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RST38hStskeeps: surely, software porters will be quite amazed:)19:38
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javispedrohere's to glibc not breaking ABI compatibility (and thus scratchbox) for the next 10 years!19:38
sivangRST38h: having just another release of Maemo with Qt dev tools would not be that bad, I think19:38
sivangjavispedro: heh19:39
steinexanyone an idea if it is possible to catch terminal bells from x terminal?19:40
sivangsteinex: aren't they special chars?19:40
steinexi would like to get notified when i have an hilight in irssi19:40
steinexsivang: yes19:40
sivangsteinex: you can try and scan the output for that or logs if it gets propogated there..19:41
sivangnot sure19:41
* sivang is talking out of his a**19:41
sivangsteinex: through a perl script installed into irssi19:41
satmdthat link doesn't mention a script19:43
steinexbut how with n900s x terminal? ;)19:43
sivangsatmd: right, it uses PuTTy's sensitivity to bells19:44
satmdwell... it's xterm, isn't it...there's a hint to ~/.Xdefaults19:44
sivangsteinex: ?19:45
sivang  19 #beep_commandif not empty, the specified command will be19:45
sivang  20 #executed instead of the normal terminal bell19:45
steinexits working for my irssi already. no need for a script19:45
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steinexjust need to configure n90019:45
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steinexwill look into xdefaults19:46
satmdthat script allow you to run something like aplay /usr/...some/..wav19:46
sivangsatmd: you can always add a command to send a notification through dbus to notification daemo or somesuch no?19:46
sivangthrough dbus-send , et al19:46
sivangbut you do need irssi installed on the device19:47
* sivang would prefer not tinkering with the N900's xterm19:47
satmdactually. I'm only collecting new ideas :P19:47
satmdI'm not sure qt reads .Xdefaults19:48
satmdin the way we need it19:48
sivangsatmd: better localize config to irssi19:48
sivangmy hunch19:48
satmdnah, allowing xterm to notify you is a more general solution19:48
satmdit probably has a command itself for .Xdefaults to run a command or something19:49
sivangah, okay so to allow any bells to be sent?19:49
satmd... in case it can't make use of hildon's notification19:49
* satmd nods19:49
sivangthat could be nice, sending an SMS when a bells is signaled for example19:49
sivangso when I press too many backspaces and irssi bells, I get my SMS account drained!19:50
* sivang kids19:50
satmdmanpage says no :(19:50
satmdso. hopefully visual bell works out for steinex19:51
steinextrying now19:52
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sivangsteinex: yes, that's what I sw now19:52
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sivangsatmd: how do you intercept visual bell in xterm?19:54
sivangsatmd: (if not in irssi)19:54
satmdyou can't. "manpage says no"19:55
sivangsatmd: ah okay19:55
RST38hjavispedro: ah, I would not worry about glibc on this one :)19:57
RST38hjavispedro: more interested in how many years GNOME has left to live19:57
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mc_teo`i need to restart my n900 every few days as it gets unbareably slow19:58
javispedroRST38h: so far, no recent events presage its doom (yes, even with LGPL Qt)19:59
RST38hjavispedro: but is Gnome being developed at all? Have not seen anything new in it for a while20:00
RST38h(not that it is a bad thing, of course :))20:00
sivangmc_teo`: never happens to me, any exotic apps ?20:01
* sivang has ALOT of apps 20:01
sivangfrom all over20:01
javispedroRST38h: well, they at least added a change spell correction language option in textboxes!20:01
javispedroI was quite missing that one =)20:01
RST38hjavispedro: could you check who owns files in /opt?20:02
javispedropreviously all you could do is change locale (or LANG var) and restart application20:02
RST38hare they all root:root?20:02
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mc_teo`sivang: well ive a few extra dev or testing20:02
mc_teo`not that i use them much20:02
sivangRST38h: I saw some new branches created for some compoenents20:02
* sivang tries to recall them since gmail is hard to search through today20:03
javispedroRST38h: you mean on my n900?20:03
javispedrono, some are owned by user:users20:03
sivangmc_teo`: try tp open a terminal, and run top20:03
javispedro(in a typical maemo fashion)20:03
mc_teo`like today someone was bringing me, and the phone started vibrating, but the screen stayed black until the 5th ring20:03
sivangmc_teo`: or better, ssh to the device and run top through a wifi connection, then you can get a good idea of what's going on when calls are coming in, smss apps running etc20:03
mc_teo`then opened in wrong position20:04
RST38hjavispedro: which ones?20:04
javispedro... but I have some files owned by 1000 which is my desktop uid so I clearly have some stuff broken20:04
javispedro*desktop user uid20:04
* RST38h accidentally chowned them all to root:root20:04
MohammadAGgrr, what's wrong with this code
RST38hdunno if it is bad20:05
javispedroall of offscr-* is user:users20:05
MohammadAGObject::connect: No such slot MainWindow::about()20:05
MohammadAGObject::connect:  (sender name:   'actionAbout')20:05
MohammadAGObject::connect:  (receiver name: 'MainWindow')20:05
javispedrogvm is user:users20:05
RST38hah yes I know20:05
javispedro(possibly my fault)20:05
RST38hyou have not processed it with moc20:05
RST38hgoogle moc qt20:06
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pupnikkeep an even keel on the karmic river20:06
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javispedroRST38h: I think that on a default install you can safely assume everything is root:root20:07
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javispedroonly offscr-* stuff and some extra third packages aren't20:08
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sivang10.04.1 LTS's kernel 2.6.32-24-generic just hanged20:11
sivangquite a while since that happened to me wiht a linux on a desktop20:11
javispedroand you say you have an n900? =)20:11
javispedroah, sorry, missed the desktop part :)20:11
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RST38hjavispedro: good to know20:13
RST38hMohammad: Have you got acquainted with moc already? :)20:13
pupnikcome to the basement and i'll show you my unsold gnomes20:14
sivangjavispedro: I only had to take out the battery twice since I got it20:14
sivangjavispedro: :)20:14
MohammadAGRST38h, well, it says if you use qmake it should autohandle moc :)20:14
sivangjavispedro: and I do internet radio over 3G through fm trasmitter alot :-)20:14
MohammadAGWe recommend using Trolltech's makefile generation tool, qmake, for building your makefiles. This tool generates a makefile that does all the necessary moc handling.20:15
* sivang wanted to felt like hearing Finnish in last night's driving, N900 made this possible20:15
sivangs/wanted to felt/felt/20:16
RST38hMohammad: I recommend not20:17
RST38hMohammad: half-baked20:17
sivangRST38h had a bit of a fight with the tools last night..20:17
sivangrunning into linkig issues et al20:17
sivangand some odd bug?20:17
javispedrowell, if your application is pure-qt you should reallly use qmake, otherwise you might die.20:17
RST38hMohammad: Actually, so is moc, but let is hope you will not encounter problems20:17
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RST38hjavispedro: I.e. "If you work for Trolltech, you should use qmake, otherwise you might die"20:18
sivangRST38h: but the world and his wife are using it on new MeeGo apps and tons of Qt apps built already?20:18
sivangRST38h: HAHA20:18
sivangRST38h: there's no trolltech anymore no?20:18
RST38hsivang: How many meego apps, exactly?20:18
sivangRST38h: I don't know :-)20:18
RST38hsivang: Whatever Nokia group it turned into20:18
RST38hsivang: exactly.20:18
javispedroRST38h: note "pure-qt" -- their subset/superset of c++20:18
sivangbut skype, volvo20:18
sivangother companies20:18
RST38hjavispedro: subset20:18
javispedroah yes, touché.20:18
RST38hjavispedro: Have you seen moc doc page?20:18
javispedroyes, superset is a wrong word here.20:19
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RST38hjavispedro: Check this out:
RST38h(if you are eating, you may want to finish your food before checking this page out)20:19
javispedrothe first one is shocking enough20:20
javispedrosmells of someone fighting hard to keep their ABI stable.20:21
RST38hjavispedro:I got bitten by "Also, be sure that only the first inherited class is a QObject."20:21
RST38hjavispedro: smellsof someone not caring about real world applications of their tool20:21
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RST38hjavispedro: Because, let us be frank, there is absolutely no problem generating moc code that explicitely refers to only one of parent classes' QObjects20:22
RST38h(check the code moc generates, you will see)20:22
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javispedroRST38h: or like Java, where the initial version was all but useless and for some reason recent versions keep willing to maintain compatibility with such useless VM. Thus introducing much-loved stuff like type erasure20:22
RST38hWell, Java is going to be dead in a year, hopefully. So, let us leave it rest in peace20:23
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sivangsecond hang up20:23
sivangseems like connecting the N900 to the ubuntu makes it cry20:23
sivangor the usb module insertion20:24
RST38hjavispedro: btw neiehter qmake nor moc appear to process #ifdefs/#ifs/etc properly, so if you use these for conditional compilation, you are toast20:24
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javispedroRST38h: they don't use the host preprocessor? O.o20:24
RST38hjavispedro: And no __cplusplus either, so if you mix C/C++ code, you are still toast20:24
sivangRST38h: where did you spot this?20:24
RST38hjavispedro: Apparently, they plug in before the preprocessor20:24
RST38hsivang: Yesterday, when trying to pass my stuff through moc20:24
sivangRST38h: I mean, the ifdefs ignorament ?20:25
RST38hsivang: Even in trolltech's document, they say: "Another limitation is that moc does not expand macros, so you for example cannot use a macro to declare a signal/slot or use one to define a base class for a QObject."20:25
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javispedroonly sane approach to this is to keep your code as away from the qt stuff as possible20:27
RST38hbasically, yes, but it did not help me much20:27
sivangRST38h: hmm so Q_PROPERTY just gets around that somehow? one of the most used macros I've seen in Qt code..20:28
* RST38h wrote "class EMULib: public QApplication, public QMainWindow { ..." and hell broke loose20:28
sivangRST38h: err sorry20:28
sivangRST38h: that's irrelavant, as moc only interferes with non standard C++20:28
javispedroRST38h: and also limit yourself to their c++ subset when qt stuff is required20:28
sivangis the subset documented somewhere? /me checks the moc doc20:29
javispedrosivang: page quoted a few lines above20:29
javispedrono virtual inheritance, no templates... seems like java already20:29
sivangjavispedro: yes, my ubuntu keeps hanging though so I lost it :)20:30
sivangjavispedro: thanks20:30
* sivang removes packages now though HAM after an apt-get clean saved the day20:30
* sivang would like to implement an action to low space, to auto-run clean and then tell users to start removing apps20:31
RST38hsivang: moc interferes with perfectly legal, standard c++20:31
RST38hsivang: and that is a problem, when you are planning to add qt ui to your code, especially existing, industrial code20:32
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sivangRST38h: I need to do thourhg reading to see where it interferes, I thought was confiend to the slots:/signals: and some other minor stuff to allow it implement it.20:32
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kthomas_vh_nothing like a good Hayek quote20:35
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RST38hOMWeather broke down =(20:36
lcukn900as soon as i get home i am going offline for a while.  not sure what the other end will bring but i have to sort out my head from some family issues.  rodarvus i will be in work as soon as its sorted.20:36
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sivangkthomas_vh_: sasha baron cohen "hairy thighes" selma Hyek?20:39
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sivang"Another change to the build system is that moc now understands preprocessor directives. qmake automatically passes the defines set for your project (using "DEFINES +=") on to moc, which has its own built-in C++ preprocessor."20:40
javispedrowhy, oh why the n900 doesn't have a hardware reset button20:43
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* sivang shared the pain20:43
merlin1991javispedro, it does, it's called batter and it's "Plug n play" ;)20:44
javispedroit can't be good for the battery cover20:44
sivangjavispedro: the battery cover holds up surprisingly20:46
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javispedrothe worst part is that I cannot even run the thing with the battery cover open, as it will refuse to mount the sd card20:47
sivangjavispedro: nevere checked if the sd card is mounted when the cover is open, otherwise evrything else works20:47
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MohammadAGit's disabled on the kernel level20:49
MohammadAGa custom kernel should solve the problem20:49
RST38hwhen cover is open, sd card is dismounted20:49
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MohammadAG^ on the kernel level20:49
RST38homg vlad broke something big20:49
javispedron810 had a separate cover! :(20:49
javispedro(for the sd card )20:50
sivanga good precaution measure?20:50
kerioa design flaw20:50
sivangthere's a good chance the sd card wil be removed when the cover is open, regardless if the phone is operating or not.20:50
sivangso better be safe.20:50
sivangI think that's not bad.20:50
keriosivang: huh... no20:50
keriothe chance of µsd removal is exactly 0% if the user doesn't want to remove the µsd20:50
MohammadAGat boot up it's retarded20:51
MohammadAGsince I sometimes want to boot another OS after removing the batt20:51
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javispedrohere's to hoping they sell replacement covers when mine inevitably breaks down20:53
keriosure, nokia definetely sells them :)20:53
sivangjavispedro: do you live where the device is official?20:53
sivangMohammadAG: how does it run without the battery?20:53
javispedroyep, but I've never seen one (then again never asked)20:53
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sivangjavispedro: so you'd be at better shape to do that then us :)20:54
MohammadAGthe battery isn't stuck to the cover20:54
MohammadAGjavispedro, they do, but the cover is quite strong20:55
MohammadAGI change 3 batteries a day20:55
sivangMohammadAG: boot another OS after removing the batt20:55
sivangMohammadAG: 3??20:55
MohammadAGyes, 320:55
sivangyou ordered in from ebay?20:55
javispedroMohammadAG: btw on the N810 if you remove the cover battery falls down20:55
MohammadAGsame on the N95 javispedro20:55
MohammadAGit annoyed me20:55
MohammadAGbut the N95 only had a battery under the cover, so you don't have to remove it often20:56
javispedroa quick question: do the tablets-dev n900 meego images open usbnet or something I can use to debug why it's hanging on boot?20:57
Stskeepswhat version is it?20:58
Stskeepsdo you have your back cover on?20:58
javispedrolatest (24 sept iirc)20:58
javispedroyep, it mounts rootfs20:58
javispedroI am using a weirdo sd layout so I guess it can't find swap.20:59
sivangStskeeps: do you highlight meego-arm image questions? :)20:59
Stskeepscould you drop into #meego-arm?20:59
Stskeepssivang: no, i'm just an irc addict20:59
bef0rdit boots without swap for me20:59
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sivanglo achipa20:59
Stskeepsevening achipa21:00
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norayrI have extracted sdk tgz for diablo from here`, and now21:04
norayrHow can I chroot into?21:04
norayron device itself21:05
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satmdwhat error are you seeing?21:06
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norayrAh I did it :)21:07
norayrmount -o bind /proc /media/mmc2/sdk/proc21:07
norayrsame with dev21:07
norayrand chroot21:07
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satmdmaybe /sys, too? ;D21:08
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GAN900achipa, congrats.21:20
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norayrfrom within a chroot:21:22
norayrNokia-N810-43-7:/home/user# apt-get update21:22
norayrIgn diablo/sdk Release.gpg21:22
norayr16% [Working]FATAL -> Could not set non-blocking flag Bad file descriptor21:22
norayrE: Method http has died unexpectedly!21:22
norayrany ideas?21:22
norayrand yes I also mounted /sys21:22
norayrBesides, what if I add diablo/sdk to my regular sources.list?21:22
norayrwhy do I need chroot?21:23
satmdthis shouldn't be the reason... but did you copy over /etc/resolv.conf from the host?21:23
satmdif dns fails... it should be another message, but... well, one thing we can easily check21:24
norayrIt is able to resolve21:24
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norayrI have checked21:24
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norayrbut /etc/resolve.conf points to
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norayrI mean, if I copy the system to mmc21:24
satmdthat should be fine for chroot21:24
norayrI will have space for development, etc21:25
satmdtbo I haven't seen that message with apt-get yet21:25
norayrbut, may be initfs_flasher will replace the kernel with rotation support21:25
achipaGAN900: thx21:25
norayror may be i can just cp -a the system, and then chroot /mnt/initfs and say it to boot from mmc21:26
DocScrutinizer51any hints what's doing the name swap mmc0/1 during boot? when, and how? maybemeven WHY?21:26
norayr /etc/fstab I guess?21:26
satmdfstab can *remount* /, but not change the root21:27
DocScrutinizer51fstab is generated, and can't rename /dev/*21:27
satmdtechnically fstab is too late during boot21:28
norayrI thought you want to swap mount points21:28
norayrudev? udev rules?21:28
* satmd thinks of kexec21:28
DocScrutinizer51udev is what I suspect too21:28
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DocScrutinizer51javispedro: ??21:29
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DocScrutinizer51any details?21:30
javispedroDocScrutinizer51: my n900 is busy at the moment, but I do suspect udev rules too21:30
DocScrutinizer51and WHY?21:30
javispedrothere is bmo report iir21:30
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DocScrutinizer51ooh thnx21:31
javispedrobug #274721:31
povbotBug inconsistent mmc device naming at boot time when one card is missing21:31
* norayr goes to prepare tea and thinks about cp-in rootfs without reflashing kernel image21:32
DocScrutinizer51honestly for THAT mess I'd prefer ssitching to mount_by_label, as muc as I usually deprecate it21:32
DocScrutinizer51but then prolly messybox mount never heard of that21:34
* satmd feels the pain of mmc* renumbering21:34
* satmd has the same with 6 sd* devices21:34
keriomounting by label is awesome21:34
DocScrutinizer51had that even back in diablo days21:34
satmdor by id21:34
satmdthe label can be changes easily, the id will be the same until you format21:35
DocScrutinizer51(the mess, bug)21:35
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pupnik!!!.jpg  hahaha! {sfw}21:37
ieatlintpupnik: it's true, i've a friend whose done that21:38
ieatlintand the hipster was pissed21:38
disco_stuhilo, anyone using transmission ? cant get mine to work on the n800, maybe i missing something out21:38
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DocScrutinizer51javispedro: (2747) meh, status:reopened21:48
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norayrhey, what if instead of running etc, I just copy root fs to mmc, and then run chroot /mnt/initfs cal-tool --set-root-device ask:mmc221:50
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DocScrutinizer51*cough* what?21:52
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DocScrutinizer51sounds like arcane spell to me21:53
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javispedroevil DocScrutinizer5122:02
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javispedroah, you didn't reopen it =)22:02
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DocScrutinizer51yeah, and what's doin' cal-tool there?22:04
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javispedrocal-tool was there on n8x022:05
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norayryep, I use diablo22:14
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DocScrutinizer51heh, it's prolly hard to believe but on N810 I always stayed in a strictly enduser attitude22:17
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DocScrutinizer51a pity22:19
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norayrDocScrutinizer51: :)22:23
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MohammadAGscrolling isn't tear free in the SDK22:26
MohammadAGso it IS because of the lack of vsync22:27
javispedroagain this one?22:28
javispedroscrolling is not tear free mostly because of Gtk+22:28
MohammadAGsorry, I just used the SDK UI :P22:28
MohammadAGyes, I know it's smoother in Qt22:28
MohammadAGbut still22:28
MohammadAGlook at microB's bookmark list in the SDK22:29
MohammadAGanyways, tearing doesn't really annoy me, was just pointing it out22:29
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javispedromy sdk setup is weird. i'm using a customized build of vmgl to render it =)22:29
NirtalHello! Is there any good/big n900 channel that regards non-maemo stuff?22:29
MohammadAGnon-maemo stuff?22:30
NirtalI wan't to install some other OS on the n90022:30
javispedrowhat other os?22:30
MohammadAGwhich OS?22:30
* MohammadAG checks povbot to see who won22:30
javispedrogrammatically, you.22:31
NirtalI wan't to try the ubuntu netbook remix, and see if it's nice on the n90022:31
crashanddieNirtal: feel free to discuss it here22:31
crashanddieNirtal: most of the time, it's OK22:31
Nirtalok =)22:31
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NirtalDoes any one know if it's possible?22:31
crashanddieNirtal: if you go into OS specifics, other channels might be more appropriate (#nitdroid for Android on Nokia Internet Tablets), etc.22:31
MohammadAGthere's #NITUbuntu, but it's quiet22:31
crashanddieI know Gentoo is possible, never tried or heard about ubuntu though22:32
* MohammadAG kicks crashanddie 22:32
MohammadAGit's my project!22:32
MohammadAGthough I really haven't worked on it lately22:32
NirtalI see that there is an armel build for ubuntu netbook22:32
MohammadAGR&D mode required mind you22:33
MohammadAGor a watchdog-less kernel, which I doubt anyone compiled/wants22:34
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HoxzerNirtal: well it is possible to run debian so I would be suprised if the same wouldn't work for ubuntu netbook22:34
NirtalMohammadAG do you have any screenshots of nitubuntu?22:34
Hoxzer*debian in chroot22:34
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MohammadAGHoxzer, ubuntu runs natively, not inside a chroot22:40
MohammadAGso it's different from Easy Debian22:40
Hoxzerkk nice :)22:41
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jophishHow open source is the maemo media player?22:41
jophishI want to make it better though!22:42
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MohammadAGwe all do22:42
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jophishAlthough I'm sure that nothing a mere mortal can do could make such an epitome of user interface and software engineering brilliance any better.22:42
lardmanjophish: should be reasonably easy, the closed bit is only the varnish over the top22:42
lardmannow what are the names of the playlist library stuff, etc?22:43
jophishlardman: That's probably the bit I want to change, just a simple way to browse music by directory structure22:43
lardmanmafw + gstreamer and you're away22:44
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lardmansupposedly anyway22:45
* ShadowJK just discovered n900 location subsystem loses the speed transmitted by external bluetooth gps22:46
ShadowJKthis explains why ovi maps wasn't autorotating into direction of travel22:46
lardmanit probably only wants to know location22:46
lardmanoh right22:46
ShadowJKand sygic maps was running at 1 fps22:46
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ShadowJKwith speed info, sygic interpolates the steps between gps fixes that come at 1hz22:47
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lardmandoes the internal gps supply speed data?22:47
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lardmanoh right22:47
ShadowJKthe external does too, but gpsd/location/whatever loses it22:47
lardmanstrange that it's lost on the one but not the other22:48
lardmanbug! ;)22:48
lardmannight all22:49
ShadowJKwell in pr1.0 it lost satellite ifo too22:49
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ShadowJKand some things used the absence of satellite info to filter out network based inaccurate positions22:50
ShadowJKso external gps was basically useless in 1.022:50
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DocScrutinizer51Stskeeps: am I right about this assumption: hal-addon-bme has an interface (of whatever kind, rpc? socks?) to bme, and is converting battery status msgs to a 'better' format, then send it to hal via dbus22:58
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ghostcube_hi folks. anyone using urpo?23:01
jacekowskiDocScrutinizer51: it's communicating over bme socket23:02
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DocScrutinizer51:nod: but that's exactly the one of 2 ends I'm not interested in as I hope to get rif of bme, socket, and hal-addon-bme23:03
DocScrutinizer51sending dbus msgs to hal directly from jrbme instead23:04
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ghostcube_is there a ssh-askpass package?23:18
ghostcube_hmm i cant get urpo to work with my pc23:24
ghostcube_seems the auth by file fails and i dont know why23:25
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ShadowJKDocScrutinizer, Mer had a replacement hald-addon-bme btw23:30
DocScrutinizer51ShadowJK: I know, that's why I asked Stskeeps23:31
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DocScrutinizer51just about to find out how hald-addon-* are started23:32
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FireFlyHi, does anyone know what shell scripts was executed on MSM connection/disconnection?23:51
FireFlymass storage mode23:52
FireFlyCould be on USB cable connection/disconnection, don't remember exactly23:52
MohammadAGNokia-N900:~# osso-usb-mass-storage-23:53   osso-usb-mass-storage-is-used.sh23:53
FireFlyOh, nice, thanks23:53
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MohammadAGpcsuite-enable/ for PCM :)23:53
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