IRC log of #maemo for Thursday, 2010-09-23

norayr	dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/mmcblkX	00:00
Otto_	0	00:00
norayr	where X is te	00:00
norayr	probably, yes	00:00
Otto_	its 0	00:00
norayr	actually, yes, mount shows it	00:00
norayr	grep it from mount	00:00
norayr	:)	00:00
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* DocScrutinizer shudders on thinking about what's going to happen on a system when you do this flat-out-zero of swap and /home and /usr and /opt		00:01
Otto_	:))	00:02
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DocScrutinizer	couldn't you stream syslog live here ? :-P	00:02
Otto_	:P	00:02
Otto_	If I wipe out entire flash	00:03
DocScrutinizer	one thing's for sure - you'll have to reflash after that :-P	00:03
MohammadAG	just don't touch /dev/mtd1 and you'll be fine	00:03
Otto_	am I able to boot to flas mode by pressing u and attaching the usb cable?	00:03
MohammadAG	just don't touch /dev/mtd1 and you'll be fine	00:03
DocScrutinizer	yes, you just MUST NOT touch the rootfs partitons or any other mtd	00:04
* MohammadAG touched rootfs		00:04
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MohammadAG	had to dd it with /dev/zero, then use mtd-utils to wipe it	00:04
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Otto_	isn't rootfs on the /dev/mmcblk0	00:05
Otto_	??	00:05
MohammadAG	no	00:05
DocScrutinizer	nope	00:05
Otto_	there are 3 partitions	00:05
DocScrutinizer	it's on the internal 256MB NAND	00:05
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Otto_	p1, p2 and p3... p1 is the emmc and p2 is the 2G drive	00:05
Otto_	ah	00:05
DocScrutinizer	p3 is swap	00:05
Otto_	ok	00:06
DocScrutinizer	p1 is MyDocs	00:06
DocScrutinizer	or other way round	00:06
Otto_	mtd1 d2 d3 d4 d5	00:06
Otto_	exists in my /dev	00:06
DocScrutinizer	DO NOT touch these	00:06
Otto_	sorry	00:06
Otto_	0-5	00:06
DocScrutinizer	!!	00:06
Otto_	rm -rf ..	00:06
Otto_	:DD	00:06
kerio	would it be ok to have a swap partition on a sd?	00:06
MohammadAG	rm -rf won't do shit	00:06
kerio	not talking about the n900 specifically	00:06
Otto_	dd to mtd..	00:07
MohammadAG	that will do awesome shit	00:07
Otto_	:))	00:07
MohammadAG	unfixable shit	00:07
kerio	why unfixable?	00:07
kerio	bring it to nokia!	00:07
DocScrutinizer	yeah	00:07
Otto_	I have buddy at the maemo kernel team maybe he could do something	00:07
DocScrutinizer	hose NOLO, meet NOkia	00:07
kerio	hose NOLO, make JTAG	00:08
DocScrutinizer	actually jacekowski claims even that is recoverable	00:08
DocScrutinizer	via USB	00:08
DocScrutinizer	on N900	00:08
kerio	there's a direct serial port below the battery, right?	00:08
DocScrutinizer	kerio: yup	00:08
kerio	DocScrutinizer: the sheevaplug is similar to the n900, it has a bootloader in ROM that chainloads uboot on the internal nand	00:08
jacekowski	Otto_: badblocks can run on live disk	00:08
jacekowski	Otto_: in read only mode	00:09
kerio	you can hose the internal nand as much as you want	00:09
DocScrutinizer	but according to jacekowski the OMAP3430 has a hw-rom bootloader that can coldflash NOLO from USB	00:09
kerio	but of course, you better have a jtag board handy to fix it	00:09
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kerio	DocScrutinizer: even just running it would be ok	00:09
kerio	gets you a booted system	00:09
kerio	would it be feasible to have a system that runs entirely from the eMMC?	00:09
DocScrutinizer	no	00:10
kerio	too slow?	00:10
DocScrutinizer	at least first stage BL needs to be on NAND	00:10
kerio	well, of course	00:10
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Otto_	which flash file determines the partitions or can any flashing have an effect on partition sizes?	00:11
kerio	bootloader and a sysrescue system on nand, meego(?) on eMMC	00:11
DocScrutinizer	Otto_: see link I pasted above	00:11
kerio	DocScrutinizer: a tiny rescue system on NAND could just export the eMMC as a mass storage device through usb	00:11
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DocScrutinizer	paritioning of eMMC is plain text in VANILLA img file	00:12
MohammadAG	seding it works	00:12
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jacekowski	DocScrutinizer: well, omap can boot from other devices	00:13
jacekowski	so it would be possible	00:13
jacekowski	just not on n900	00:13
DocScrutinizer	jacekowski: only when right pins are grounded?	00:13
jacekowski	well, hmm	00:14
jacekowski	thing is that it only changes boot sequence	00:14
jacekowski	so phone would boot from first working device	00:14
jacekowski	so hmm, it may work	00:14
DocScrutinizer	that'd be really nice :-)	00:14
DocScrutinizer	gotta be a smart sucker of rom BL	00:15
jacekowski	aparently rom BL can load 2nd stage BL or even OS directly	00:15
DocScrutinizer	also any first stage firmwre BL (aka NOLO) needs signature, right?	00:15
jacekowski	well, it's called signature	00:16
DocScrutinizer	s/first/second/	00:16
infobot	DocScrutinizer meant: also any second stage firmwre BL (aka NOLO) needs signature, right?	00:16
jacekowski	only 1st stage needs signature	00:16
jacekowski	but that deppends on processor	00:16
jacekowski	if it's HS or not	00:16
jacekowski	if it's HS then it has to be full true signature	00:16
jacekowski	if it's not then it can be just basic info with configuration and size and stuff	00:17
DocScrutinizer	grr, what now? is rom BL 1st stage, or is NOLO 1st the first stage BL? :-P	00:17
norayr	people of #maemo, see ya later	00:17
Otto_	If Ido the dd to whole flash, I should flash rootfs, vanilla and Euro fiasco files, correct? in which order?	00:17
DocScrutinizer	cya	00:17
Otto_	cya!	00:17
DocScrutinizer	there's no rootfs	00:17
Otto_	the core file	00:18
DocScrutinizer	or, rootfs==fiasco	00:18
jacekowski	DocScrutinizer: ther is 1st stage nolo and 2nd stage nolo	00:18
norayr	good night to all who live in corresponding locations :)	00:18
norayr	etc	00:18
jacekowski	DocScrutinizer: 1st stage nolo == x-loader	00:18
Otto_	:)	00:18
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DocScrutinizer	jacekowski: k k	00:18
jacekowski	so it goes rom -> 1st stage -> 2nd stage	00:18
jacekowski	but	00:18
DocScrutinizer	so 1st stage NOLO == x-loader == 2nd stage BL	00:18
jacekowski	no	00:19
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jacekowski	x-loader != 2nd stage	00:19
DocScrutinizer	as quite obviously from a tech pov rom is first stage	00:19
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jacekowski	well, not in ti terminology	00:20
jacekowski	it's more like 0 stage	00:20
DocScrutinizer	but I'm fine with whatever nomenclature we agree upon	00:20
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DocScrutinizer	or let's agree on rom == 0, x-loder == 1, NOLO == 2	00:20
jacekowski	the reason why there is 1st stage bootloader and then 2snd stage is because rom can only load 64k image	00:20
jacekowski	because that's size of memory on processor itself	00:21
DocScrutinizer	lol	00:21
jacekowski	and rom doesn't initialise external memory	00:21
jacekowski	but	00:21
DocScrutinizer	fair enough	00:21
jacekowski	if you have proper signature with configuration in it	00:21
jacekowski	then rom can write that configuration and initialise memory	00:21
jacekowski	and load 2nd stage directly	00:22
DocScrutinizer	anyway, you'll need signature, no matter what	00:22
DocScrutinizer	and alas we don't have the signing key	00:22
DocScrutinizer	right?	00:23
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Otto_	sorry to interrupt but the way to go: dd zero, battery off, flash fiasco, flash vanilla, flash fiasco, flash the relase emmc according to location?	00:24
DocScrutinizer	aiui stage0 rom is fetching pubkey from some not accessable flash area inside SoC, and will load 1st stage only if signature is correct	00:24
DocScrutinizer	nah	00:25
kerio	dd zero?	00:25
kerio	why?	00:25
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Otto_	dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/mmcblk0	00:25
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kerio	and why flash 8 times everything	00:25
DocScrutinizer	...remove battery, flash eMMC aka VANILLA WITHOUT -R flag, then flash rootfs aka COMBINED, - done	00:25
jacekowski	DocScrutinizer: you don't need signing key on non hs device	00:25
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Otto_	the site says: "NOTE: Always flash the FIASCO image first, then the eMMC image immediately after that."	00:26
Otto_	:)	00:26
jacekowski	DocScrutinizer: or device with hs disabled	00:26
DocScrutinizer	Otto_: nevermind, that's nonsense	00:26
MohammadAG	Otto_, don't use -R, order doesn't matter then	00:26
MohammadAG	^^^	00:26
jacekowski	that non HS version of signature is described in TRM	00:26
Otto_	yeah, I DONT want to reboot the device between the flashes	00:27
DocScrutinizer	Otto_: if you do by accident nevertheless, it's better to flash eMMC first	00:27
Otto_	yeah	00:28
MohammadAG	DocScrutinizer, mhd	00:28
Otto_	if that method works, I should get my flash running fine. If I fail something then I just get a new one... :P	00:28
DocScrutinizer	this may change in >PR1.2 due to bootloader updates in fiasco image, but for now it works better with emmc first, then rootfs	00:29
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Otto_	I have tried > PR1.2 software already	00:29
Otto_	and downgraded to PR1.2	00:29
Otto_	:P	00:29
Otto_	maybe that fucked up something? :)	00:29
Otto_	or my flash is just rubbish	00:31
Otto_	who the hell knows	00:31
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jacekowski	ekhm?	00:31
jacekowski	>pr1.2	00:31
jacekowski	?	00:31
Otto_	yes	00:31
jacekowski	where did that came from?	00:32
Otto_	I have acces	00:32
Otto_	s	00:32
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jacekowski	and i'm a pope	00:32
Otto_	well maybe you are	00:32
Otto_	since I work for the comapny	00:32
kerio	wait	00:33
kerio	what	00:33
Otto_	But my jobs has nothing to do with maemo,	00:33
kerio	he is finnish	00:33
Otto_	maybe you are correct	00:34
Otto_	:)	00:34
jacekowski	DocScrutinizer: http://linux.omap.com/pub/documentation/P2_NAND_boot_support.txt#	00:34
kerio	Otto_: i want >PR1.2	00:34
kerio	gimme	00:34
Otto_	hmm, I give you company confidental material and get lifetime ban to whole indrusty ... or maybe I just keep my mouth shut	00:35
Otto_	industry	00:35
kwtm	Otto_: Should we believe you?	00:36
Otto_	yo ucan believe whatever you want	00:36
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kwtm	Cuz, I work for Nokia, too. And we're coming out with a Linux phone that has laser beams to be mounted on sharks' heads. Ooops, that was confidential --okay, everybody, pretend I didn't let slip that top secret info.	00:37
jacekowski	do you have voice turn by turn navigation in ovi maps?	00:37
Otto_	I'm leaving the channel soon	00:37
Otto_	:P	00:37
Khertan__	lol	00:37
kerio	:(	00:37
kerio	tell us!	00:37
Khertan__	i will help you ... there is qt4.7 ;)	00:38
kerio	who cares	00:38
Otto_	maybe I just fucked the phone	00:38
kerio	is Blocks working better?	00:38
Khertan__	Otto_: you have try to downgrade it ?	00:38
Khertan__	Otto_: and everythings is working except phone part ?	00:38
Otto_	:)	00:39
Otto_	the flash ain't working	00:39
Otto_	at least not very wel	00:39
Otto_	l	00:39
Khertan__	ah ... this is worse that what i think	00:39
Khertan__	:(	00:39
jacekowski	you can wipe nand	00:39
jacekowski	and do coldflash	00:40
Otto_	which nand you menea?	00:40
Otto_	mean	00:40
Otto_	rootfs?	00:40
jacekowski	no	00:41
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jacekowski	don't do it	00:41
jacekowski	you will break your phone	00:41
Otto_	I've got a broken phone already?	00:42
Otto_	so basically I have nothing to loose..	00:42
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jacekowski	dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/mtd1	00:42
Otto_	NO, i'm not doing that	00:42
Otto_	:)	00:43
jacekowski	that will wipe bootloader and you will have to coldflash	00:43
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Otto_	flasher -c product:hwid	00:43
Otto_	well I'm going to dd the bigger flash and re-flash the whole thing	00:44
Otto_	maybe it helps, maybe it wont	00:45
Otto_	well se	00:45
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Otto_	it's time to go to bed	00:45
Otto_	thaks a lot for this guidance	00:45
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Otto_	thanks to you I know the problem is in my flash and that's something to start with	00:47
Otto_	off to bed	00:47
Otto_	c ya!	00:47
TeringTuby	Otto_: are you gonna update the wiki page after a succesful flash?	00:47
Otto_	which page?	00:48
Otto_	:P	00:48
TeringTuby	or succesfully solved the problem	00:48
TeringTuby	:-) , create one	00:48
Otto_	well of course	00:48
Otto_	sharing is caring ;)	00:48
Otto_	I haven't really spend really much time in these maemo things but I'll do that -if that solves anything	00:49
Otto_	no	00:49
Otto_	w	00:49
Otto_	cya	00:49
Otto_	:P	00:49
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TeringTuby	no, I mean the broken flash page. thanks, sorry I wa reading last hours messages. My flash is broken too.... like the forum post posted earlier	00:49
TeringTuby	thanks!	00:49
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TeringTuby	i'll try the dd to /dev/mmcblk0 too	00:50
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cr33dog	ok - so when I launch an app via debbie on the n900 it works OK until I do something like import an image in inkscape or switch to the toolbox in GIMP - from that point on I have no stylus or keyboard :( Any ideas?	01:00
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luke-jr	ssh in and kill gimp/inkscape	01:04
luke-jr	:P	01:04
luke-jr	GTK sucks, get used to it	01:04
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wmarone	what does GTK have to do with it?	01:04
luke-jr	back when I used GTK apps on my desktop, I had a similar problem (only with GTK apps)	01:04
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luke-jr	although killing the process never fixed it…	01:05
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luke-jr	so if it does for you, it's a different problem	01:05
wmarone	it sounds more like the thing starts swapping	01:05
cr33dog	yeah - I've been using ssh to recover for now, but looking for a way to avoid it	01:05
luke-jr	swapping != no stylus/kb	01:05
kfx	gtk != the source for every problem	01:05
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luke-jr	kfx: well, it had similar symptomns :p	01:06
luke-jr	IRC looks funny when viewed through JPEG/Tight compression :P	01:06
kfx	is there a sane way to configure Qt yet?	01:07
kfx	like, not using KDE, and not using qtconfig? can I just edit a text file to set properties yet?	01:07
kfx	I miss that from ollld Qt versions :(	01:07
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luke-jr	dunno, I just use KDE	01:07
kfx	yeah, that seems to be what most Qt users respond with	01:08
kfx	if the kdepim guys ever get their act together I might give kde another try, honestly	01:09
kfx	now that they've made moves to putting real window management in kwin	01:09
cr33dog	running 'set deb hw keys' before debbie seems to do the trick	01:09
cr33dog	d'oh - spoke too soon	01:10
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cr33dog	is there a keyboard shortcut to get to the applications menu in lxde?	01:13
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MohammadAG	Pre-alpha of hostmode for the N900 set to be released tomorrow by me and DocScrutinizer	01:18
MohammadAG	patches by sarahn	01:18
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wmarone	\o/	01:18
MohammadAG	don't tweet this or anything, but here's a vid showing it, crappy quality, so again don't tweet/post anywhere, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mXkQErnrb1Q	01:18
DocScrutinizer	don't expect too much, it's a POC debug version that may or (most likely) may not work for you	01:19
MohammadAG	Video has title as hostmode PoC :P	01:19
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MohammadAG	video -> skip to 3:05 for the fun part	01:20
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DocScrutinizer	the purpose of the whole thing is to get decent reports about symptoms when it works vs when it fails	01:20
wmarone	was it tripping a watchdog?	01:20
MohammadAG	three reboots? no, fcam-drivers	01:20
wmarone	ah, ok	01:21
GAN900	I'm really liking this OtterBox.	01:21
DocScrutinizer	kernel still is a mess, with a lot of manual levers to throw switches via sysfs that NEED to be done in kernel automatically	01:21
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DocScrutinizer	OtterBox?	01:21
MohammadAG	case for the N900	01:21
DocScrutinizer	ooh	01:21
MohammadAG	or other devices	01:22
MohammadAG	as you can see from the vid	01:22
MohammadAG	VBUS default when flash is connected = reboot, not sure why, but it only happened once	01:22
MohammadAG	I think bme panicked	01:22
DocScrutinizer	never been wathing it, as I know what's in there :-P	01:22
wmarone	good stuff	01:22
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MohammadAG	based on bad patches, it still needs work to reach alpha :P	01:23
MohammadAG	but being closed in development isn't really good	01:23
MohammadAG	this might attract more devs	01:23
MohammadAG	anyways, I'm off, MohammadAG51 for a bit then I'm heading to bed	01:24
MohammadAG	damn school wasting my time on shitty subjects	01:24
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MohammadAG	plus most of my classmates don't have books due to the school being lazy, so... waste of my time	01:24
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GAN900	Turns the N900 brick into a concrete block.	01:25
GAN900	But it's well engineered and effective.	01:25
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DocScrutinizer	MohammadAG51: :-D	01:38
MohammadAG51	:)	01:39
MohammadAG51	night o/	01:39
DocScrutinizer	night - test many devices tomorrow in school. Try to find some that fail for you :-)	01:39
jacekowski	MohammadAG51: query	01:40
wmarone	reflash an N900 using an N900 :)	01:40
DocScrutinizer	actually logs from same device done by same person, which show the diff between WFM and bork, are really most valuable	01:40
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kerio	the character chart in xchat is... useless	01:53
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DocScrutinizer51	character chart?	02:03
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bjv	two times in one week,	02:14
bjv	im having difficulty finding any information on this: the screen on my n810 fades out while playing back youtube content in mplayer	02:14
bjv	picture fades out, then gradually is replaced with white vertical lines, until the entire display is a blank white	02:15
bjv	if i ssh into the machine it's fine, with only 'omapfb omapfb: s1d1374x: line buffer not ready' recorded in dmesg	02:16
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bjv	reboot - everything is fine,	02:16
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bjv	omapfb message seems to appear continuously, even without display failure though	02:16
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kwtm	confirm OtterBox is nice. Wait, was this the same guy that commen ted yesterday?	02:20
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luke-jr	[18:38:52] <Winnah9000> What's the best way to share 3G from N900 to my laptop? I use Joikuspot, but it killed my battery in 2 hours	03:01
luke-jr	lol	03:01
luke-jr	no really⁇⁇ :P	03:01
kfx	I wish mobilehotspot or whatever worked right	03:02
luke-jr	kfx: it does if you install its custom kernel	03:03
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kfx	I am running that kernel	03:04
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pigeon	mobilehotspot works for me quite well, but it also uses quite a bit of battery, my feeling is 3g + wifi together will use up battery fast.	03:06
pigeon	the phone also feels hotter too, or it could be just my imagination.	03:06
luke-jr	yeah, that's my point	03:06
luke-jr	nothing software can do to negate the inherent power usage of radios	03:07
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SpeedEvil	pigeon: It's not your imagination.	03:11
pigeon	heh, glad to know ;)	03:12
SpeedEvil	Wifi active all the time eats maybe .6W, 3G active all teh time eats maybe 2W	03:12
SpeedEvil	So - if you're using it heavily - it can be derad in little more than an hour	03:12
pigeon	you know how sometimes you feel hot in your pants, and you're not sure why ;)	03:12
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Mercury	Alright, I have a N810, and I'm happy with it. Except that the sensor/switch for detecting keyboard open/closed is now triggering when the unit is closed.	03:46
luke-jr	O.o	03:46
Mercury	For that matter, it is not always triggering when I open the keyboard.	03:47
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Mercury	As far as I can tell from memory, the separation between the keyboard side and the screen side (while the keyboard is closed) has grown noticably since I got the unit.	03:48
Mercury	So, any good repair guides for taking the n810 apart and getting it back together again when you're done?	03:48
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DocScrutinizer	Mercury: maybe this may help a bit: http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/N810-disassembly/	04:02
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Mercury	DocScrutinizer: Thank you.	04:07
DocScrutinizer	Mercury: iirc the kbd slide is consisting of a magnet in display half, and a reed switch next to kbd mat (the white thing with the domes)	04:09
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Mercury	DocScrutinizer: Huh, that shouldn't have this failure mode then, not unless the real issue is the keyboard half being too separated from the display half.	04:11
DocScrutinizer	Mercury: so a slider mech that got loose or deformed may increase the distance between magnet and switch, causing it to fail. But I can't see how it both would erroneously detect kbd slide open when it isn't, and also not detect sometimes	04:12
DocScrutinizer	yep	04:12
Mercury	Are we sure that it's a always sensing while closed switch, and not a trigger causing a state change?	04:12
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DocScrutinizer	the physical switch for sure	04:13
internetishard	hey, how do you make it so you only auto connect to SOME networks?	04:13
Mercury	Hrm.	04:13
DocScrutinizer	maybe magnet got loose and now is falling around inside device from one place to another?	04:14
Mercury	Well, I think I will find a replacement tablet, and then try to repair this one. Since I rather don't want to be without if I can't get it back together.	04:14
Mercury	DocScrutinizer: Maybe.	04:14
DocScrutinizer	reassembling isn't that difficult - except the friggin board2board connector on flat plastic cable to display	04:16
DocScrutinizer	be very careful with this one!	04:16
Mercury	Is it the cable itself which is fragile, or?	04:16
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DocScrutinizer	well, the rigid connector soldered to a flexible plastic PCB	04:17
DocScrutinizer	I got no problems with it on disassembling N810, but on some N900 it failed, even when not at all disassembling the device.	04:19
DocScrutinizer	plugging back in is a nightmare anyway	04:19
Mercury	Plug or solder? If it's solder, then yeah, if I break it I'm just screwed.	04:19
DocScrutinizer	http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/N810-disassembly/n810_disassembly/snc00287_jpg.jpeg.html	04:20
DocScrutinizer	http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/N810-disassembly/n810_disassembly/snc00289_jpg.jpeg.html	04:20
Mercury	Oh, those.	04:21
DocScrutinizer	http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/N810-disassembly/n810_disassembly/snc00344_jpg.jpeg.html	04:21
Mercury	Do I have to unplug those to get the unit apart?	04:21
DocScrutinizer	http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/N810-disassembly/n810_disassembly/snc00345_jpg.jpeg.html	04:22
DocScrutinizer	yes	04:22
kfx	_jpg.jpeg.html	04:22
kfx	nice	04:22
DocScrutinizer	kfx: blame KDE	04:22
Mercury	Fun.	04:23
Mercury	Thank you, I'm going to head home now, since I'm trying to get out of the office.	04:23
Mercury	DocScrutinizer: What's the right approach to detach the keyboard side from the display side to get at that connector?	04:24
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DocScrutinizer	unscrew the 4 torx	04:25
DocScrutinizer	carefully lift display half a bit	04:25
Mercury	4? I see two when I open the keyboard.	04:25
DocScrutinizer	unplug b2b-connector by prying it out with a 'soft' piece of plastic or the like (creditcard)	04:26
DocScrutinizer	nah, those torx are in battery compartment	04:26
Mercury	Ahh. Under the section that's not the battery cover, or actually in with the battery?	04:27
Mercury	Ah, I see....	04:28
Mercury	And, huh, I wonder if _that's_ related. I have three torx screws, and one hole for a 4th.	04:28
DocScrutinizer	2 are middle of device, under battery cover. Other two are under small metal cover next to speakers	04:28
* Mercury nods.		04:29
DocScrutinizer	I also have 3 torx, the small ones are for the stand	04:29
DocScrutinizer	the upper small metal cover is just snapped on	04:30
Mercury	Do you have one where the hole is directly next to the battery (actually the hole down to where the screw rests is open slightly on the side facing the battery)?	04:30
DocScrutinizer	uh, I have 4 torx, 2 larger symmetric ones, and 2 small ones on one side, hilding the stand	04:30
Mercury	Because I've got the hole but no screw in it. Which is, unexpected.	04:30
Mercury	DocScrutinizer: Yeah, I'm missing one. Any thoughts on where I could find replacements?	04:31
DocScrutinizer	basically everywhere, but hard to find	04:31
Mercury	(There's one place in town that might have one, but it's small enough that it's real questionable.)	04:31
Mercury	Well, I've got a weekend project.	04:32
kfx	Mercury: do you have a Fry's electronics near you?	04:32
Mercury	DocScrutinizer: Thank you very much.	04:32
Mercury	kfx: Yeah.	04:32
kfx	They have that stuff.	04:32
DocScrutinizer	is it one of the 'outer' small ones that's missing?	04:32
Mercury	That's easier to check then elliots.	04:32
kfx	Backup answer: get in touch with your local ham radio operator club. Those guys are huge nerds with all kinds of everything	04:32
Mercury	DocScrutinizer: Nope, it's one of the bigger ones.	04:32
DocScrutinizer	that's one of those fixing the screen half to base half	04:33
Mercury	DocScrutinizer: As I said, I wonder if it has something to do with there being a greater separation between the halves, and causing my problem.	04:33
DocScrutinizer	also if it got inside device, it can mess up magnet function	04:33
Mercury	Yeah.	04:33
DocScrutinizer	sure it's related	04:33
Mercury	I'm really heading out now, but thank you very much. I think I've got a screw hunt to go on.	04:34
kfx	ah, college	04:34
kfx	oh wait you mean actual screws	04:34
kfx	good luck!	04:34
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DocScrutinizer	raster: moo	04:37
DocScrutinizer	and o/	04:38
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raster	DocScrutinizer: big d!	04:39
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internetishard	how do you make it so you only auto connect to SOME networks?	04:52
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lolloo	hellooo0oo	04:58
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lolloo	how do I copy a text from a website on N900?	04:59
SpeedEvil	slide finger in one third up the screen from the left	04:59
SpeedEvil	then select the arrow	04:59
SpeedEvil	then use this to select text	04:59
SpeedEvil	then copy using the menu	05:00
lolloo	ok let me try now mmm	05:00
lolloo	am using the default browser that came with N900	05:01
lolloo	there is no menu in here	05:01
lolloo	only buttons on the bottom	05:01
wmarone	you see at the top between the status area and the X button?	05:05
wmarone	tap there, it'll bring up the menu	05:05
lolloo	yes menu	05:06
lolloo	save as	05:06
lolloo	and such	05:06
wmarone	right	05:06
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wmarone	so do as SpeedEvil said, then when you have the text selected bring up the menu	05:06
lolloo	can I scroll on the text?	05:07
lolloo	how do I do that?	05:07
lolloo	I mean how do I mark the text on the site	05:07
ALoGeNo	hello all	05:07
ALoGeNo	hey maemo5 use hildon-desktop no?	05:07
wmarone	drag in from outside the left side of the screen	05:07
wmarone	and when you want to start marking text, hold the shift key	05:08
wmarone	ALoGeNo: yes	05:08
ALoGeNo	thank you wmarone	05:08
lolloo	the website is moving when I drag it	05:09
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lolloo	doesnt hold still so I can mark text	05:09
wmarone	when you drag in from the left side of the screen, do you have a cursor?	05:09
lolloo	no	05:10
wmarone	touch just outside the screen, and drag in from the left	05:10
wmarone	slightly towards the bottom edge	05:10
wmarone	a grey square with an arrow in it should appear	05:11
wmarone	and below your stylus should be a cursor	05:11
ShadowJK	lolloo: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7rSDf2IkmLs	05:11
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lolloo	hahaha	05:13
lolloo	bad place for a cursor!!!	05:13
lolloo	thank you so much guys!	05:13
lolloo	what the!!!	05:15
lolloo	do I need to held shift!!!	05:15
lolloo	I use my left hand with my stylus! and I cant reach the shift button!!!	05:15
lolloo	how sad is that!	05:16
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kfx	this is really exciting!	05:16
Hedman	hahaha	05:16
wmarone	lolloo: when the grey box with the arrow appears, tap it	05:16
lolloo	Yes I am control of the cursor	05:17
lolloo	but how do I copy now	05:17
kfx	either use ctrl+c	05:18
kfx	or else click on the title of the browser page and then select "copy"	05:18
ShadowJK	tap the titlebar area, right off the area with the clock, left of the X that closes the browser	05:18
ShadowJK	if you are in fullscreen, tap lower right corner to see the button to exit fullscreen first	05:19
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lolloo	yes I have to use spacebar or shift to highlight text	05:36
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lolloo	hellooo0oo	07:44
lolloo	the onion router doesnt work with Xchat	07:44
lolloo	do you think there is a way?	07:45
lolloo	is there a way to make Xchat work with onion router?	07:46
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MohammadAG51	worksforme	07:57
slonopotamus	MohammadAG51: how's hildon going? :P	07:59
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MohammadAG51	stalled, too excited about hostmode w(ing)fm	07:59
slonopotamus	~wtf wfm	08:00
infobot	WFM: works for me	08:00
slonopotamus	i think there are too many abandoned mobile platforms	08:03
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slonopotamus	all those qtopia, gpe, opie (sorry if i missed some), now hildon	08:08
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ZogG	slonopotamus црфе вщ ерун гыу шт ьуупщ,	09:02
ZogG	what do they use in meego?	09:02
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slonopotamus	ZogG: for gui? no idea, smth rewritten from scratch for sure.	09:03
ZogG	meego or nokia meego - asked at #meego same question btw	09:04
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Jaffa	Anyone looked at the election results yet?	09:27
frals	The voting period for the specified election has closed, but the results of the election have not yet been calculated. It is not possible to see the results now.	09:27
frals	thats what i get ;(	09:27
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Jaffa	frals: Yeah, but the ballots are available and people generally try running the results before dneary does ;-)	09:30
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frals	Jaffa: seems people are slacking this time ;)	09:31
Jaffa	Tsk	09:32
* Jaffa best go finish getting ready for Greece.		09:32
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frals	:)	09:32
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Scelt	frals: did you get that imagemagick commandline call?	09:45
frals	Scelt: could you leave it in a query for me please? :)	09:46
Scelt	sure	09:46
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frals	thanks :)	09:47
Scelt	np :)	09:47
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Jaffa	frals: Over 440 votes is the extent of the grepping I've done	09:56
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summel	o/ i need to isntall bzip2 but i cant find that package anywhere :o	10:02
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psycho_oreos	if you add scratchbox repo. you can install bzip2	10:03
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summel	psycho_oreos: is there a wikipage for that repo?	10:04
summel	oh you mean extras-devel?	10:05
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psycho_oreos	summel, no but it might also be in there	10:05
summel	i have extras-devel enabled but there is no bzip2 package in there	10:05
summel	ah i see	10:05
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summel	but http://wiki.maemo.org/Scratchbox_repositories tells the same repository url that i use for extras-devel	10:06
summel	deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel fremantle free non-free	10:06
psycho_oreos	nope there should be maemo5.0 line somewhere in there	10:07
summel	thats the fremantle line	10:07
summel	there is nothing with maemo on that wiki page :(	10:07
summel	ah	10:07
summel	theres a link	10:07
summel	do i need the one with the eula thingy?	10:08
psycho_oreos	not sure hang on lemme check (on N900 myself now)	10:09
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summel	ok thx :)	10:10
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psycho_oreos	summel, http://repository.maemo.org/#sdk_repositories	10:11
summel	thx	10:11
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psycho_oreos	just read the forewarning before you proceed :)	10:12
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summel	oh i just use the n900 for toying around nothing important on it :)	10:15
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psycho_oreos	lol wait till you realise how versatile it is ;)	10:17
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Khertan	Morning everyone	10:33
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psycho_oreos	evening	10:34
lolloo	morning	10:34
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crashanddie	kicking this shit IRC client into the bin, switching to x-chat. Later	10:35
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jpinx-eeepc	afternoon	10:35
merlin1991	morning :)	10:35
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jpinx-eeepc	yea - but which day? ;)	10:36
RST38h	moo Khertan	10:36
Khertan	:)	10:37
* Khertan start to understand how obs is working		10:37
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ghostcube	hi, anyone running cups here? i cant get the page to be shown i only see quellcode in the browser	10:48
ghostcube	o.O	10:48
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crashanddie	0.o	10:49
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crashanddie	[-_-]	10:49
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ghostcube	d(-_-)b	10:50
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crashanddie	everyone peering over lcuk's shoulder while he develops a new feature on liqbase: [-[-[-[-[-[-[-[-[-[-[-[-_-]-]-]-]-]-]-]-]-]-]-]-]	10:50
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jpinx-eeepc	ewww	10:50
ghostcube	heh	10:51
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ghostcube	hmm, i managed to get cups back working after installing syslog. and this showing an error in cupsd.conf i tried to fix it but seems iam missing any option, is there an default cupsd.conf on n900 after installing?	10:53
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* Khertan lost 10 min with obs just to see that tar cannot uncompress zip file ...		10:54
crashanddie	well, obviously	10:54
crashanddie	tar is tar, unzip is zip	10:54
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Khertan	crashanddie, yep ...	10:56
Khertan	this is just that i didn't take care of file extension	10:56
Khertan	but ... i ve never seen a tar.zip before :)	10:56
Khertan	common are tar.gz tar.bz2	10:57
Khertan	but didn't see the purpose of a tar.zip :)	10:57
crashanddie	khertan: listen to "The Ordinary Boys - Over the Counterculture", tell me what you think of it	10:58
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Khertan	crashanddie, hum ...	11:02
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Khertan	crashanddie, this is far from my music style	11:02
crashanddie	is it?	11:02
crashanddie	What do you listen to usually?	11:02
Khertan	hum ... there is many finnish metal bands	11:03
Khertan	some german	11:03
crashanddie	oh bloody hell	11:03
mece	FTW!	11:03
crashanddie	dude, the 90s called, they want their nu-metal crapshoot back.	11:03
Scelt	Finnish metal, I'm loving it	11:03
Khertan	crashanddie, die apokalyptischen reiter - adrenalin	11:03
mece	There are some good french ones too :) Deathspell Omega and Gorod :)	11:03
ghostcube	dude, the 80's called wanting omd and alphaville back	11:04
ghostcube	o.o	11:04
Khertan	cr33dog, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_wcrFOTH6o	11:04
Khertan	crashanddie, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_wcrFOTH6o	11:04
crashanddie	ghostcube, in case you didn't get my earlier message, I'll spell it out: stop with the fucking stupid emoticons, k?	11:04
Khertan	stupid xchat tab	11:04
mece	hehe "dass es leicht rammstein-like klingt"	11:04
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Khertan	mece, :)	11:04
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Khertan	the last song ... the previous album have more english song	11:05
crashanddie	ghostcube, or at least, put them on the same line as your initial comment. Thanks	11:05
Khertan	and look like more death metal than rammstein :)	11:05
ghostcube	rammstein is fucking shit..	11:05
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crashanddie	well, they've democratised a good deal of that kind of music	11:06
crashanddie	made it accessible, easy to follow, and partly commercial	11:06
mece	ghostcube, pretty good up until reise reise imo.	11:06
ghostcube	its not very well textet and its not very well played ...	11:06
crashanddie	which means a lot of people hate it because it's "too mainstream", even though it's one of the bands that has done most for the music style	11:06
Khertan	and they permit to other groups to exists	11:07
ghostcube	but as german i dont like them cause i hate the base they build the first song on	11:07
crashanddie	anyone who says "not very well texted" is not allowed to criticise the writing quality of an internationally renowned band.	11:07
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crashanddie	s/texted/textet/	11:07
infobot	crashanddie meant: anyone who says "not very well textet" is not allowed to criticise the writing quality of an internationally renowned band.	11:07
ghostcube	as german i do this	11:08
ghostcube	if you like it or not	11:08
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mece	most metal is mainstream her in FI	11:08
crashanddie	whether**	11:08
crashanddie	not if :)	11:08
mece	s/her/here/	11:08
infobot	mece meant: most metal is mainstream here in FI	11:08
ghostcube	crashanddie: and dont alwas correct my english, or we can start talking german as i said weeks before	11:08
RST38h	Ahhaha: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/86/Autoconf.svg/220px-Autoconf.svg.png	11:09
Khertan	crashanddie, and there is an other german compositer that i hear often : l.v. beethoven	11:09
crashanddie	khertan?	11:09
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Khertan	Khertan, ?	11:09
crashanddie	and?	11:09
Khertan	you ask me my style :)	11:09
Khertan	you ask me my style of music:)	11:09
crashanddie	ah, you listen to him, k	11:10
Khertan	i answer you :)	11:10
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smaug____	how do I change pin code in n900?	11:10
Khertan	roh mais ca va oui ! comme si je parlais l'anglais comme une vache espagnole !	11:10
Papayawhip	settings	11:10
Khertan	:)	11:10
crashanddie	khertan, who's your favourite conductor	11:10
Khertan	smaug____, with the keyboard	11:10
crashanddie	khertan, tu te debrouilles tres bien, mais j'ai quand meme le droit de mal comprendre parfois :)	11:11
smaug____	ah, found	11:11
crashanddie	ghostcube, whatev mate :)	11:11
ghostcube	;)	11:11
crashanddie	ghostcube, again, it's really not about you making mistakes, it's about more about helping out than anything else. English isn't my native language either :)	11:12
ghostcube	i know about i just want to bother you a bit :P	11:13
ghostcube	after the first one	11:13
crashanddie	np	11:13
ghostcube	ok, but again to my cups problem	11:13
ghostcube	its strange one	11:13
Khertan	crashanddie, i listen often some from a small orchestra of a french small town where i learn piano. They have record some cd but aren't well know	11:13
ghostcube	maybe anyone a idea about it ?	11:13
crashanddie	khertan, did you hear about the MusOpen project?	11:13
Khertan	crashanddie, nope	11:14
crashanddie	it's a project to record public domain recordings of pieces that have been copyright-free for centuries	11:15
Khertan	oh nice	11:15
crashanddie	they managed to gather $68000	11:16
crashanddie	in about 5 days	11:16
crashanddie	they were hoping for $11k, went a bit bigger than that	11:16
Khertan	:)	11:16
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Khertan	crashanddie, what are this small local meego meeting ?	11:19
crashanddie	eh?	11:20
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Khertan	crashanddie, http://wiki.meego.com/Community_Office/Marketing/Local_MeeGo_Networks	11:21
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crashanddie	no idae	11:26
Khertan	i just ask myself what there are talking about as there is nothing to see and nothing to talk	11:26
Khertan	:)	11:26
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RST38h	Swappolube thread overrun by lemmings, unsubscribing...	11:52
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Appiah	anyway to make the n900 act as a bluetooth headset? or atleast as a bluetooth speaker?	11:55
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b0unc3	hello	12:24
b0unc3	anyone know if is possible to listen on dbus for the notifications events ?	12:25
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secyritas	yes it is	12:29
secyritas	i believe you can find examples @ wiki	12:29
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b0unc3	example on wiki shows only how to sends notifications....	12:30
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Jaffa	re	12:32
jacekowski	b0unc3: use google	12:32
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b0unc3	jacekowski, that's what I've done, before asking here	12:34
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lindi-	can anybody with chromium reproduce http://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=54556 for me?	12:38
lindi-	would be nice to know if it is a debian specific issue or a real upstream bug	12:38
lolloo	is the TeamViewer on N900?	12:45
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jacekowski	nope	12:49
admiral0	hi	12:49
T-Co	lindi-, Not confirmed. I can see the maps	12:52
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lolloo	is the TeamViewer on N900?	12:54
lolloo	app	12:54
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lolloo	why isn't FLASH 10.1 on N900?	12:56
admiral0	lolloo: ask adobe	12:57
alterego	lolloo: that's a pretty dumb question tbh, why do you think flash 10.1 isn't on the N900?	12:57
lolloo	it isn't	12:57
alterego	lrn2google	12:58
* Papayawhip looking for a cup of popcorn :)		12:58
* admiral0 too		12:58
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lolloo	does firefox have flash plug-in for maemo?	12:59
lolloo	I hate flash 9 bad baaad	13:00
lolloo	when is flash 10.1 will come to maemo or linuks	13:00
admiral0	lolloo: why do you hate flash 9?	13:00
Papayawhip	rofl	13:01
admiral0	GNU/Linux has flash 10, but on desktop	13:01
* satmd has flash 10 beta, 64bits on his linux		13:01
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Corsac	with beta vulns too?	13:01
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satmd	probably	13:01
admiral0	Corsac: i see you prefer nspluginwrapper :)	13:02
* satmd has no multilib support :(		13:02
lolloo	what is Vulns?	13:02
satmd	so I only can use that one	13:02
satmd	short for vulnerability	13:02
admiral0	satmd: what distro is that?	13:02
satmd	gentoo	13:02
Corsac	amigadave: I especially don't use flash	13:03
satmd	I decided for myself to go no-multilib, but...	13:03
satmd	I didn't expect flash to not be real 64bits yet	13:03
admiral0	it was. then it stopped, now it's again 64 bits	13:03
satmd	there's another story about adobe	13:03
admiral0	i'm waiting for lightspark	13:04
satmd	many of us probably remember the problems with non-ascii and spaces	13:04
satmd	and how they got rid of it in reader 9	13:04
admiral0	satmd: link?	13:04
satmd	well, the reason is... the api they've been using all that time... doesn't exist anymore so they had to move to unicode	13:04
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satmd	don't have one	13:05
satmd	found out firsthand	13:05
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satmd	our company gets a lot of pdfs with russian file names	13:06
satmd	and I'm the one told to "fix it"	13:06
satmd	:/	13:06
admiral0	and you lol a lot, i presume	13:06
satmd	about some things, but most make me sad	13:06
satmd	mostly the stuff that is known for a loooong time and vendors still ignoring reality	13:07
admiral0	likeusing reader while there are a lot of poppler-based open readers?	13:07
admiral0	s/likeusing reader/like using adobe reader/	13:08
infobot	admiral0 meant: like using adobe reader while there are a lot of poppler-based open readers?	13:08
admiral0	infobot: <3	13:08
infobot	I love you. <3	13:08
satmd	that's only half of the truth	13:08
satmd	poppler itself is also having vulns regularily	13:08
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summel	is there an app/a command that can show me how full the battery is charged and how long it will take to be fully charged?	13:09
satmd	also, it doesn't do the propietary stuff we depend on :(	13:09
satmd	summel: advanced power	13:09
summel	satmd: the kernel?	13:09
satmd	no, the app	13:09
summel	searches	13:09
satmd	iirc in testing	13:09
summel	k	13:10
SpeedEvil	Well - sometimes you can convince devs to add functionality with cash.	13:10
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admiral0	yep, it's the way oss works actually	13:10
summel	SpeedEvil: tried that didnt work :	13:11
summel	:S	13:11
* satmd still is trying to convince his boss to go oss		13:12
satmd	mainly for security reasons	13:12
satmd	we work in research	13:12
satmd	and I actually do audit some of the code	13:12
summel	satmd: i installed it but it is only a "widget" in the status area dropdown`	13:13
summel	?	13:13
satmd	summel: yes, but that dropdown will tell you how long the battery will hold enough power	13:13
summel	hm	13:13
satmd	or how long it'll charge	13:13
summel	it displays on that it is charging and then the infinity smybol :O	13:13
satmd	mhm	13:14
summel	i guess it shouldnt take THAT long	13:14
summel	:D	13:14
satmd	I thought it did calculate charge time, too	13:14
satmd	:(	13:14
summel	idk	13:14
summel	:/	13:14
summel	but thanks anyways	13:14
* satmd is missing this feature, too		13:14
* satmd has a question himself		13:15
SpeedEvil	summel: do you understand what :(){ :\|:& };: is?	13:15
satmd	what does it mean if my bug on b.m.o gets an alias of int-...?	13:15
satmd	smiley gangbang	13:15
Stskeeps	satmd: that someone takes it seriousy	13:15
* satmd runs		13:15
Stskeeps	l	13:15
satmd	Stskeeps: yay :D	13:15
summel	SpeedEvil: uhm regex? :o	13:15
satmd	hopefully they turn to me for more information or feedback, too :)	13:16
SpeedEvil	summel: Ok - not too stupid a wrong answer - there is a script that does it - but not a clean user solution.	13:16
Khertan	Stskeeps, i got an error with obs build that i didn't understand ... maybe you can help me :) : /var/tmp/rpm-tmp.5b8jtA: line 40: fg: no job control	13:16
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Khertan	error: Bad exit status from /var/tmp/rpm-tmp.5b8jtA (%install)	13:16
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SpeedEvil	summel: Do you have power kernel installed?	13:16
Khertan	https://build.obs.maemo.org/package/live_build_log?arch=i586&package=python-qt4&project=home%3Akhertan&repository=MeeGo_1.0_Core	13:16
summel	SpeedEvil: no	13:17
satmd	no job control. hmm.	13:17
Khertan	yep but what 's that ...	13:17
SpeedEvil	Ok - easy then - see http://qkwv.com/bat.jpg	13:17
satmd	if it were a desktop, I'd say... no real console	13:17
SpeedEvil	argh	13:17
SpeedEvil	not that	13:17
summel	do i just install it from the app manager or do i have to do some work?	13:17
SpeedEvil	stupid autocomplte	13:17
summel	omg	13:17
summel	:D	13:17
Khertan	SpeedEvil, lol	13:17
satmd	lol.	13:17
SpeedEvil	http://www.mauve.plus.com/bat.tar.gz	13:18
* satmd has ONE question less to ask :D		13:18
SpeedEvil	This is a script made by ShadowJ - it polls the battery meter.	13:18
admiral0	does anybody know if there is a easy way to build cmake projects with nokia sdk?	13:18
summel	SpeedEvil: thx i try	13:19
summel	it does only work with the power kernel=	13:19
summel	?	13:19
admiral0	the hard way is to write nokiasdk.cmake	13:19
SpeedEvil	http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Power_Consumption - http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Power_Consumption	13:19
SpeedEvil	summelno - only works without	13:19
SpeedEvil	bin/bq27200.sh 20 LOOPMODE=20 mv RSOC CSOC mA NAC CACD CACT TTF TTE TEMP EDV1 LOW 18:36 4092 100 100 -134 1187 1187 1187 65535 530 37 0	13:19
SpeedEvil	argh - see the above wiki page	13:20
admiral0	power kernel=awesome	13:20
SpeedEvil	anyway - the TTF field is time till full.	13:20
SpeedEvil	It isn't very accurate.	13:20
SpeedEvil	RSOC is % ull	13:20
SpeedEvil	full	13:20
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flux	is there any bq27200-based battery widget out there?	13:22
summel	ah ok	13:22
summel	oO more then 8 hours?	13:23
summel	:S	13:23
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admiral0	satmd: http://blog.admiral0.org/2010/09/bot-love/ you ended here	13:24
SpeedEvil	summel: what's the percentage charge?	13:24
summel	15	13:24
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SpeedEvil	Oh - that's in minutes	13:24
SpeedEvil	time till full	13:25
summel	:O	13:25
summel	yes	13:25
summel	oh	13:25
summel	ah	13:25
summel	yes	13:25
summel	it says	13:25
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summel	TTF 469 minutes	13:25
summel	:O	13:25
summel	496	13:25
SpeedEvil	right - what's it plugged into?	13:25
SpeedEvil	And is it doing anything	13:26
kerio	http://www.fonearena.com/blog/23073/smartphone-championship-semi-final-nokia-n900-vs-palm-pre.html fuck yea	13:26
summel	SpeedEvil: my macbook	13:27
summel	and no just running the terminal app	13:27
summel	not even wifi enabled	13:27
SpeedEvil	ah - if the screen is bright - turn it down to minimum	13:27
SpeedEvil	Or lock it.	13:27
SpeedEvil	then unlock it, and re-look at xterm 30s later	13:27
summel	k	13:28
summel	still over 4 hours atm	13:29
summel	but better	13:29
SpeedEvil	What is the reported charge current?	13:29
SpeedEvil	mA	13:29
SpeedEvil	When 4h is reported	13:29
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summel	240 ?	13:30
summel	with 4.8 hours	13:30
SpeedEvil	That's a bit low. for 15% charge	13:30
SpeedEvil	With screen blanked?	13:31
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summel	yes	13:32
summel	ill check again in a few minutes	13:33
summel	or maybe i looked at the wrong numbers :D	13:33
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summel	318	13:34
summel	hm no	13:34
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summel	NAC is 259 mAh	13:34
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summel	CACD is 259	13:34
SpeedEvil	tha'ts current capacity	13:34
summel	and CACT also	13:34
SpeedEvil	259mAh	13:34
SpeedEvil	It can provide 259mA for 1h	13:34
SpeedEvil	The charger will charge it much faster.	13:34
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summel	yes but i left it at home :(	13:35
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DocScrutinizer	usb host can provide no more than 500mA. Now if your system is running some heavy computing tasks (check system load, htop), or any of the power hogs like display backlight, GSM TX, gfy accel, is active then the system will bite out a huge chunk of that 500mA available, so charging current goes way down to 350, 300, 250	13:51
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summel	DocScrutinizer: as i said... im charging using the usb port on my laptop	13:52
DocScrutinizer	actually the system in some situations can consume even more power than usb host can deliver, so despite hoked up to a usb host the batery gets discharged	13:52
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DocScrutinizer	summel: that's why I'm writing this :-D	13:53
summel	ah :D	13:53
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ghostcube	hmm anyone having cupsd running on N900 and maybe can help me with my cupsd not starting right problem?	14:04
lolloo	vnc lets you control ur pc	14:04
merlin1991	sometimes I have the feeling lolloo is a bot	14:05
BCMM	lolloo: wrong channel? or am i missing something?	14:07
lolloo	VNC is in repo for N900	14:07
lolloo	check it out	14:07
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BCMM	oh, it actually wasn't meant to be a response to anything	14:09
BCMM	VNC is pretty well known, i'd've thought	14:09
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BCMM	but yeah, it's cool	14:09
BCMM	i have the client and server installed	14:09
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BCMM	y'know, you can pay money to buy a VNC client for the iphone that costs money	14:11
ghostcube	hmmm who needs an iphone o.O	14:11
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BCMM	ghostcube: i can only conclude that stuff costing money is a feature	14:15
pexi	ghostcube, it might be the best handheld gaming device atm :)	14:15
BCMM	pexi: the iphone has emulators?	14:15
ghostcube	pexi: ok thats right :D	14:15
pexi	BCMM, you actually play with n900?	14:16
BCMM	meh, not a great deal; i have a desktop	14:17
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pexi	i have tried with different emus and stuff, but the experience is so.. well you can guess :)	14:17
ghostcube	this new 3d engine coming for ios4 is well done	14:18
ghostcube	the demo looks cool	14:18
pexi	actually dune2 almost burnt my leg.. gladly the phone did also survive :)	14:18
Termana	ghostcube, the id software one?	14:18
korhojoa	haha	14:18
ghostcube	woah no idea i read about in c't	14:18
summel	yes unreal engine	14:18
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DocScrutinizer	FYI (hostmode) http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=824197#post824197	14:23
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kerio	DocScrutinizer: fuckin' awesome	14:28
DocScrutinizer	mmmh?	14:28
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kerio	the hostmode thingy :)=	14:28
kerio	er, :)	14:28
DocScrutinizer	hostmode is awesome, the post however has few awesome details. Best in it is first & 2nd line	14:29
kerio	well, i don't know those people	14:30
hrw	hi	14:30
kerio	but if they're good hackers, it's only good for the n900	14:30
DocScrutinizer	yes, exactly	14:30
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RST38h	hehe	14:38
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max__	how can i make the xterm beep on an N900	14:44
max__	?	14:44
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SpeedEvil	play-sound /usr/share/sounds/game-chess_checkmate.wav	14:47
Hedman	o_o	14:48
max__	;)	14:48
max__	i mean the echo -e "\a"	14:48
max__	is not working	14:48
SpeedEvil	I know.	14:49
SpeedEvil	I don't thnk it does	14:49
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DocScrutinizer	max__: toldya, you're out of luck. Actually toldya twice	14:52
DocScrutinizer	on desktop consoles rely on root console to output their beep via IO there. desktop xterm is using whatever audio device is configured. maemo xterm seems doesn't support it	14:54
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max__	so that perl hook with irssi will help mybe	14:54
SpeedEvil	http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/devtools/maemo5/osso-xterm - laims that there is a source package	14:55
Stskeeps	there is	14:56
Stskeeps	it's oss	14:56
Stskeeps	libvte and osso-xterm	14:56
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psycho_oreos	Any of you guys played with matan's 9 desktop hack along with desktop activity manager?	15:08
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Corsac	?	15:09
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psycho_oreos	Corsac, you do? ever found out the magic number for how long it will take for the varied background pics to be changed as per various theme setup?	15:10
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Corsac	psycho_oreos: I didn't, I don't even know what it is :)	15:11
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superchode	greetings, gents.	15:12
psycho_oreos	Corsac, ahh, matan's 9 desktop hack isn't new and it isn't well supported, by default n900 gives you 4 desktops, matan's hack gives you up to 9.. and then there's desktop activity manager which can change user's backgrounds/shortcuts/widget's placement with a few clicks	15:12
superchode	are any of you fine fellows using shortcutd?	15:12
psycho_oreos	I use but not much, why?	15:12
superchode	was hoping i could use it to answer a phone call via a physical button, but i'm not having much luck	15:13
superchode	using the dbus script, but i'm not sure if maybe there's an incompatibility with the 1.2 firmware... or why it wouldn't work	15:13
psycho_oreos	wait, you mean kinda like speed dial but attached to a physical button?	15:14
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superchode	no, when a call comes in, i want to answer it via a physical button. my only real problem with the phone is accidentally hanging up on people in the process of getting the phone out of my pocket and hitting the 'answer' button	15:15
superchode	and there doesn't seem to be a GUI solution coming, ie. a slider to replace the buttons on the screen	15:16
ghostcube	is there a reason dpkg cant do reconfigure?	15:16
psycho_oreos	ahh I haven't tried that, my solution was having one of those phone holders that strap onto yer belt and/or using bluetooth headset	15:16
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MohammadAG	hostmode prealpha now out, looking forward to hearing feedback from non-noobs (sorry :P) http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=824298#post824298	15:18
superchode	gah. neither of those is going to work for me. going to try switching cases, but i imagine i'm still going to have a lot of problems when the phone's in my pocket. not sure why a slider solution can't be made available.	15:18
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ghostcube	hmmm definetly dpkg on N900 is missing reconfigure	15:19
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psycho_oreos	ghostcube, you maybe able to add that option if you get dpkg-dev version from scratchbox (do note that the pre-packed stuff for scratchbox aren't meant to be used on n900 but you can only if you wanted to)	15:20
pigeon	where is the kernel crash log on the n900?	15:20
ghostcube	psycho_oreos: i want to try reconfiguring my cupsd :) so it works again	15:20
ghostcube	after installation of power kernel it stoped for a reason	15:20
psycho_oreos	superchode, I guess part of the issue is that n900 wasn't meant to function as a proper phone.. it was released as an internet tablet with phone functionality hooked on... there's lots of other issues with n900	15:20
pigeon	i'm getting at least one kernel crash per day lately :\	15:21
visz	i never answer calls with my n900	15:21
psycho_oreos	ghostcube, heh normally a log somewhere would help.. maybe in /var/log/	15:21
visz	i have another phone for that	15:21
ghostcube	yeah i installed sysklogd for this and found out its an cupsd.conf porblem	15:21
ghostcube	after setting one i found cups/error_log claiming about an mailformed cupsd.conf	15:22
ghostcube	but i never had one :)	15:22
pigeon	yeah, nothing really useful in /var/log/	15:22
Termana	psycho_oreos, or, more likely, someone was just incompetent and didnt realise that a resistive screen would mean people would accidently answer it thanks to pressure	15:22
ghostcube	pigeon: sysklogd is starting syslog	15:22
psycho_oreos	ghostcube, probably you might need to make one I suppose lol	15:22
kerio	Termana: or the n900 is not a phone ;)	15:23
superchode	psycho_oreos: yeah, the 'not-a-phone' thing doesn't really carry much water	15:23
ghostcube	psycho_oreos: lol i have but now the cups page only shows source code in html	15:23
psycho_oreos	pigeon, no, by default there's no kernel log.. though installing syslog may help	15:23
ghostcube	no real page :D	15:23
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superchode	just put a slider on there. or, when you realize there's a problem, add a slider then	15:23
psycho_oreos	Termana, I'd still say n900 is released as a premature baby :)	15:23
superchode	the phone functionality is just fine... other than the fact i keep hanging up on people accidentally	15:24
psycho_oreos	ghostcube, lol well I dunno, I hardly ever bothered with cupsd let alone fiddling it on me n900	15:24
ghostcube	maybe i ask in cups hmm	15:24
kerio	cups is huge	15:24
Termana	I hate to tell everyone that trys to say its not a phone - that is the worst excuse ever. Nokia sell it as a phone. It is even on some (non-US) carriers subsidized.	15:24
kerio	why would you install it on the n900	15:24
kerio	host mode doesn't even work	15:25
superchode	i bought it subsidized here in the netherlands. one year plan	15:25
superchode	it's a phone!	15:25
SpeedEvil	blutooth	15:25
SpeedEvil	bluetooth printers exist	15:25
SpeedEvil	as indeed to wlan printers	15:25
SpeedEvil	and other networked forms	15:25
kerio	why would you need cups for a network printer	15:26
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kerio	it probably has cups	15:26
ShadowJK	lol	15:26
psycho_oreos	here we go again about n900 not being a phone -_-'	15:26
psycho_oreos	senseless and moot topic	15:26
kerio	fine, it's a crappy phone	15:26
kerio	happy?	15:26
jpinx-eeepc	kerio: define crappy	15:26
ghostcube	kerio: printer is not with cups i want to get an wlan printserver to work on my n900	15:26
ghostcube	*with	15:27
superchode	i'd say it's a great smartphone. except i keep hanging up on people accidentally!	15:27
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psycho_oreos	its not a crappy phone, it was premature because nokia didn't want to spend too much time on potentially what would have been dubbed as vapourware I suppose	15:27
kerio	jpinx-eeepc: low battery life for a phone, weird sound system, clumsy and unintuitive ui	15:27
kerio	(for a phone)	15:27
psycho_oreos	I use n900 as a phone (main phone) but I still have my aging n95-1 as backup	15:28
ghostcube	exact for a phone	15:28
alterego	I think I'll look and see how awful this looks in IE	15:28
superchode	i came from an iphone, and the n900 provides, for me, a better experience	15:28
ghostcube	never was the attention of the N900 to be an only use for call phone	15:28
Termana	kerio, no one said it was crappy phone. Nor that it was a crappy product. Simply that saying it isn't a phone is not an excuse	15:28
jpinx-eeepc	kerio: interesting - 'cos I went from a Nokie 6310i to a n900 . never had any other smart phone, and I found it eay to use	15:28
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jpinx-eeepc	superchode: I'd agree - my gf has an iPhone and it's crap by comparison	15:29
superchode	now, if i could stop hanging up on people, i'd be all set	15:29
kerio	jpinx-eeepc: heh, the fact that maemo is better than symbian or iOS is not arguable imo	15:29
kerio	:)	15:29
psycho_oreos	well the n900 wasn't to function purely as a phone but because it has phone capabilities people just dubbed it as a phone rather than internet tablet with phone functionality for simplistic sake	15:29
crashanddie	yeah... right	15:30
jpinx-eeepc	superchode: how do you do that?	15:30
superchode	hang up on people?	15:31
jpinx-eeepc	yea	15:31
superchode	it generally happens as i pull the phone out of my pocket	15:31
ShadowJK	My previous phone had less battery life than N900 - when doing the same thing as I do on N900. :)	15:31
kerio	using your hands is overrated - buy a BT headset ;)	15:31
Termana	:P	15:32
jpinx-eeepc	superchode: ah . set the screen to be off, use the slidy switch to activate, and keep turning activation off for the phone function - it's a real pita	15:32
superchode	even if you lock the screen, an incoming call will unlock it	15:32
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superchode	or are you saying there's a way around that?	15:33
jpinx-eeepc	superchode: ok - can't say I've noticed that, but I'll wqtch for it ;)	15:33
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superchode	a slide to answer or reject on the phone GUI would fix it, obviously. i'm not sure if that's possible from anyone other than nokia, though	15:34
psycho_oreos	nokia probably can but they're too busy on their new project now.. meego	15:34
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superchode	going to try an invisible shield instead of the wrap-around case i use now... see if that helps	15:35
superchode	a bit frustrating that the simple/logical solution isn't implemented or going to be, though	15:35
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jpinx-eeepc	superchode: I'll have a rummage through settings/configs later - remind me tomorrow maybe ;)	15:37
psycho_oreos	MohammadAG, no source? ;)	15:37
superchode	alright. i had a go, but i'm not an expert (only had the phone for a month or so). couldn't get the screen lock to stay active when a call was coming in	15:37
jpinx-eeepc	superchode: I agree - it should ring only if you want	15:38
jpinx-eeepc	and the little indicator light come on	15:38
jpinx-eeepc	but not the whole screen	15:38
superchode	they seem to be relying on the proximity sensor, but that doesn't provide any sort of reliability	15:39
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jpinx-eeepc	it's obviously not doing it's thing if yours is in a case and still comes on	15:40
superchode	was trying to setup shortcutd so that i could answer the call while the phone's still in my pocket, via a physical button, and then take it out	15:41
superchode	i use the phone for work... can't really be hanging up on people all the time.	15:41
jpinx-eeepc	hell no .....	15:42
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jpinx-eeepc	I'll take a look later.... food now...	15:42
superchode	heh. thanks.	15:42
psycho_oreos	MohammadAG, nevermind, I found patches :)	15:44
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DocScrutinizer	(<superchode> a slide to answer or reject on the phone GUI would fix it, obviously) My suggestion since months	15:49
DocScrutinizer	the idea was along tweaking some gtk/qt lib.so that provide the buttons, to have a special button on this special location	15:50
DocScrutinizer	maybe using ldpreload. Or even hard patching the dialer binary	15:50
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superchode	looking at the maemo forums, this solution is pretty well documented, as an idea. but there doesn't seem to be any developed that can be thrown on the phone to address it	15:52
superchode	any app or hack, i mean	15:53
DocScrutinizer	none I heard of, yeah	15:53
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DocScrutinizer	I'm also constantly pissed of the proximity of accept and reject button, and the poor usability wrt accidentally hitting any of those buttons	15:54
superchode	yeah, it sucks, frankly	15:54
superchode	funny thing is that i don't really have any other complaints with the phone functionality. it's a good phone, with a shitty interface when a call comes in	15:55
DocScrutinizer	yeah, since *# basic phone functions are quite good	15:56
DocScrutinizer	;-D	15:56
lolloo	change the theme	15:56
lolloo	for your phone it helped me	15:57
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superchode	do you have a specific suggestion as to a theme that helps with the call answer interface?	15:57
RST38h	Doc: According to the worldwide blogging masses, "this feature is still missing from N900" though =)	15:57
lolloo	yes I do	15:57
superchode	i don't suppose there's any with a slider	15:57
lolloo	try okuda theme	15:58
superchode	k	15:58
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ghostcube	isnt okuda the one with the strange sounds?	15:58
ghostcube	the star trek theme?	15:58
superchode	ah!	15:59
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lolloo	maybe	15:59
superchode	it's a trap!	15:59
lolloo	but the theme is faaaast	15:59
lolloo	hahaha	15:59
ghostcube	and ugly as hell	15:59
ghostcube	o.O	15:59
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DocScrutinizer	RST38h: who cares about blogosphere?	15:59
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DocScrutinizer	feels like a weird hostile parallel universe to me	16:00
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DocScrutinizer	ghostcube: tbh the term "ugly as hell" has lost its meaning to me, during the last ~3 years	16:02
superchode	yeah. this looks a bit funny. we'll have to see if it helps on the call answer interface.	16:02
DocScrutinizer	sometimes I think hell has to be a nice cosy place compared to some other shit	16:02
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FireStorm\|	frals?	16:03
ghostcube	DocScrutinizer: hrhr	16:05
lolloo	hahaha @ superchode	16:05
lolloo	want me to call ya?	16:05
superchode	it does look a bit like someone barfed inside the phone... hopefully it's worth it	16:05
lolloo	hahaha	16:05
ghostcube	superchode: you installed the sounds too?	16:06
superchode	no	16:06
ghostcube	this will drive u nuts	16:06
lolloo	I like it cause it's dark and doesnt hurt my eyes	16:06
ghostcube	oh ok :D	16:06
superchode	the default theme is dark as well	16:06
ghostcube	i run the andoroid theme	16:06
ghostcube	works fine	16:06
superchode	i didn't realize it was possible to change the call answer screen layout via a theme	16:07
superchode	is there any way to see what people have done with it?	16:07
lolloo	yes it's faster with this theme	16:07
superchode	but still laid out in the exact same way?	16:07
lolloo	and always check with always rotate	16:07
lolloo	when incoming call	16:07
lolloo	you can find it in menu	16:07
superchode	if the 'answer' button was above the 'reject' button, i'd accidentally answer the phone instead of accidentally hanging up.	16:08
superchode	that would be more convenient	16:08
FireStorm\|	does fmms only work over 3G? or can you use it via wireless?	16:08
PhonicUK	ping	16:08
FireStorm\|	pong	16:08
jd	FireFly\|n900, fmms works over GSM here	16:08
jd	not wifi	16:08
FireStorm\|	hmm	16:09
FireStorm\|	thought so	16:09
jd	but GPRS/MMS makes it work	16:09
FireStorm\|	bloody t mobile	16:09
jd	i never tried it on 3g because i don't have any signal here	16:09
FireStorm\|	hmm ty :)	16:10
FireStorm\|	time to spank t mobile	16:10
ShadowJK	Usually the mms servers aren't accessible from the internet	16:10
FireStorm\|	ShadowJK thats what i thought. But thought i would ask :0	16:10
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frals	FireStorm\|: ?	16:12
FireStorm\|	it's ok they answered quesition :)	16:12
frals	ok	16:13
superchode	ok, that's what i thought. the call answer interface is exactly the same, just in a different colour. a theme doesn't seem to be the solution. plus the screens are way more sluggish now.	16:13
summel	ShadowJK: wouldnt that mean that i would have to pay for reading an mms?	16:16
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lcuk	eep thunderstorm	16:19
superchode	even just 'hot-wiring' the default call answer GUI to switch the functionality of the answer and reject buttons would be a solution for me...	16:20
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ramz	Hi..I am not able to display words(Indian language support) on Qt simulator ..need help.. :(	16:29
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crashanddie	Hi, I have a car running Maemo 6, quad core 1200cc petrol injection engine, but the wheels are not connected to the car ... need help... :(	16:30
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lcuk	crashanddie, yo purchased a flying car, it has no wheels	16:31
crashanddie	but I paid 2000 extra per wheel for the titanium/carbon fibre rims! They sent 12 of them!	16:32
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ramz	is any one here for help..	16:33
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crashanddie	ramz, you might have more luck in #qt	16:33
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Khertan	lol	16:37
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ieatlint	yeah, good luck, maemo in a car sounds dangerous :P	16:40
lcuk	ieatlint, maemo was in cars before :)	16:40
lcuk	the n810 mapping tool was awesome	16:40
Khertan	ieatlint, i already have maemo in my car	16:40
Khertan	directly connected the calculator engine	16:41
ieatlint	good maps on maemo? i don't believe it	16:43
ieatlint	i did notice someone made an app for the n900 to connect to one of the OBD-II bluetooth dongles	16:44
ieatlint	am tempted to buy one of the dongles now	16:44
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ghostcube	obdII in general is ok for bigger probs a no go	16:45
ieatlint	actually a mapping program that also used the car's onboard computer to help generate stats	16:45
ieatlint	would be awesome	16:46
ieatlint	i'd love to have a track log giving gps coords, speed, gear, rpms and fuel consumption	16:46
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kfx	ieatlint: there was a program on maemo 4 that did all that	16:47
kfx	http://openbossa.indt.org/carman/	16:47
ieatlint	yeah, stupid simple i guess	16:47
ieatlint	just polling data, no calculation even	16:47
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kwtm	Hi. What's a good program for maemo5 that lets me browse the dbus, see what signals are available, etc.? Equivalent of qdbus on KDE? Someone mentioned one, called mdbusviewer or something like that?	16:50
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MNZ	kwtm, mdbus2 and the standard dbus-monitor tool are 2 utils I know of	16:51
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kwtm	MNZ: Thanks, will try mdbus2 (if I recall, dbus-monitor requires a bit more work, e.g. need to already know what programs have hooked up to the dbus or something --can't remmeber.)	16:52
gomiam	:D	16:52
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MNZ	kwtm, yeah it's more raw and it basically dumps everything that's being sent	16:53
MNZ	I have not found a way to find out which program is listening for which signal though	16:53
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MNZ	and according to #dbus, that's not possible at all unless you listen to the program's library calls to libdbus to see what it hooks to	16:54
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Khertan	ieatlint, my car use a proprietary like odb connector so i do it my self and use some python script to communicate	16:55
Khertan	the script was mainly a fork of the project that was using odb2 on diablo	16:56
Khertan	kwtm, d-feet is useless	16:56
Khertan	MNZ, hum i ll try maybe it ll help me to find my dbus notification pb on khweeteur :)	16:57
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MNZ	Khertan, I gave it quick try with gdb but didn't bother to investigate further, mainly because I have close to 0 knowledge of dbus	16:58
Khertan	MNZ, mdbus2 is available in the repository ?	16:58
MNZ	yes it is	16:59
Khertan	hum	16:59
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MNZ	extras-devel	16:59
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Khertan	hum ... so refresh	16:59
Khertan	:)	16:59
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Khertan	found :)	17:04
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kwtm	I found an up-to-date version on extras-testing, same as on extras- devel, so I'll pull it frmo there.	17:05
kwtm	That way in case I accidentally update anything ("hey! THere's a new update to the Linux kernel available!") at least I'll have pulled from extras-testing and not extras-devel. Just as a safer habit.	17:06
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Khertan	i keep the habbit to use apt, and extras-devel activated all time :)	17:07
Khertan	just to test my own package	17:08
Khertan	:)	17:08
kwtm	curious: why is d-feet useless, Khertan? Just that it is not yet mature and does not have many features? Or is it actually buggy?	17:08
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kwtm	Khertan: You use apt with su? Or sudo?	17:08
Khertan	d-feet is useless for debugging purpose :)	17:08
Khertan	kwtm, i change user for root	17:09
Khertan	so mainly : su root :)	17:09
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kwtm	Okay. I'm basically looking for the signal that switches the N900 to silent profile. Clearly, alsamixer is not the way to go: even if I set volume to zero, some other app comes in, ignores the volume setting, and sets of all sorts of beeping and dinging, and when I check alsamixer, volume is still zero.,	17:10
kwtm	I tried TimedSilencer, but basically I need a button that says, "Turn off sound for the next 60 minutes then turn it back on."	17:10
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MNZ	kwtm, the silent profile doesn't help?	17:11
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kwtm	MNZ: Yes, I want to use the silent profile, but want to automate it in that: 1) too many button clicks to turn on the silent profile, and 2) it doesn't switch back to general profile automatically after 1 hour.	17:12
kwtm	MNZ: Is there a CLI command for "use silent profile"?	17:12
MNZ	no idea	17:13
Khertan	dbus-send --type=method_call --dest=com.nokia.profiled /com/nokia/profiled com.nokia.profiled.set_profile string:"silent"	17:13
Khertan	dbus-send --type=method_call --dest=com.nokia.profiled /com/nokia/profiled com.nokia.profiled.set_profile string:"general"	17:14
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kwtm	Khertan: Aha! It was a dbus signal! Thanks. That's what I wanted to catch on the N900. Thanks for saving me the trouble.	17:14
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Khertan	some other interesting signal was in the maemo wiki : http://wiki.maemo.org/Phone_control	17:15
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kwtm	wow, thanks, Khertan. Yay! Now I can control the phone from the command-line and not have to rely on that stupid Nokia GUI.	17:20
Khertan	:)	17:21
kwtm	It takes, like, 2 seconds for the phone GUI to respond to my taps, and half the time I miss the calls.	17:21
kwtm	I think it's looking up the contacts database. That thing has got to be the slowest phone database existent.	17:21
Khertan	ouch ... not normal	17:21
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Khertan	didn't have such problem	17:22
kwtm	I call up the contact list and press "A", and the N900 goes, "uhh.... duhh.... ooookay, now looking for contacts containing 'A'. Please wait 4-6 weeks for processing...."	17:22
Khertan	instant for me :)	17:22
kwtm	Apparently I have more contacts than other people. :P	17:22
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Khertan	but how many contacts did you have ?	17:22
BugBlauw	>> 1000 ?	17:22
Khertan	more than 10 000 ?	17:23
kwtm	Khertan: Did you ever have problems importing your contacts? Apparently it only imports 1000 contacts at a time.	17:23
kwtm	I currently have something like 2500 contacts.	17:23
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BugBlauw	I have only 1800, but is fast	17:23
Khertan	kwtm, nope didn't have any problems importing them	17:23
kwtm	Which I think is perfectly reasonable, given how long I have been building up this contact database.	17:23
Khertan	arround 2000 and it s really fast	17:23
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kwtm	BugBlauw: Maybe it's something else slowing down the N900 --I saw in some forum that there was something I coujld do to make the N900 fast again (it gradually started slowing down). Already tried rebooting.	17:24
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kwtm	Anyway, thanks for info --will try the dbus signals listed on the web page.	17:27
kwtm	Be back later!	17:27
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Termana	Not sure if everyone saw - but the N900 made it into the final on the fonearena Smartphone Championship :P	17:54
Termana	We beat the Pre! :P	17:55
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superchode	ok. swapped out the wrap-around leather case for an invisible shield. we'll see if that makes the phone less prone to accidental hang-ups	17:58
SpeedEvil	I voted.	17:58
SpeedEvil	Twice.	17:58
SpeedEvil	:)	17:58
kwtm	Termana: "We beat the Pre." No longer up to date on Palm now, but isn't the Pre obsolete? As in, "Darnit, we tried to boost sales by making the Pre 'open-source', but that fell flat, so now let's do the Palm Pixi!"	17:58
Termana	kwtm, no?	17:59
kwtm	Termana: Okay. So Pre is still supported?	17:59
Termana	The Pixi is the same OS anyway	17:59
Termana	kwtm, yes	17:59
* asedeno_work weeps for the Prē.		17:59
Corsac	isn't the n900 obsolete too?	17:59
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Termana	Plus, the Pre has better hardware than the Pixi	18:00
superchode	i see the iphone pulled the droid first round and lost	18:00
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Termana	The Pixi is an old MSM7xxx chipset (7xxx nor the QSD with Snapdragon or MSM8xxx with Snapdragon) vs the Pre's OMAP3430	18:01
superchode	doesn't negate the fact that i've only seen a few droids actually in people's hands here, and every 2nd person has an iphone	18:01
Termana	not the*	18:01
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kwtm	Corsac: :) Yeah, pretty much --if it weren't the only smartphone available that lets me use it like my laptop, I'd switch! (I hear Samsung is coming out with something...)	18:01
kwtm	Where should I look for news on the Smartphone Championship?	18:02
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kwtm	superchode: It merely makes the iPhone a commodity and the others (like N900) attention-getters. :)	18:02
kwtm	Termana: Do the Pre or Pixi have shell access? I hear it's just like Droid in that the OS runs on top of Linux but otherwise shell scripts are uselless, you don't get Python, etc. etc.	18:03
crashanddie	wow	18:03
crashanddie	kwtm, which century do you live in?	18:03
Termana	kwtm, fonearena.com - the latest article on it is here: http://www.fonearena.com/blog/23287/smatphone-championship-semi-final-xperia-x10-vs-samsung-galaxy-s-nokia-n900-beats-palm-pre.html	18:03
ghostcube	samsung with bada os?	18:04
Termana	kwtm, no, webOS runs a generally normal linux stack, except it doesn't seem to use Xorg IIRC, but you can install xorg.	18:04
Termana	And apps are SUPPOSE to be written in Javascript/HTML - but I think they have a native access layer, but if you root it you can install native apps anyway	18:05
dneary	Hi all!	18:06
Termana	hello dneary	18:06
dneary	I've been in meetings all day, but I just got time to generate election results	18:06
kwtm	ghostcube: No, some guy named "raster" said that Samsung's coming out with something that you can just pull Ubuntu packages onto. Not sure how much to believe, but since I won't be shopping for a new phone until next year, I can afford to wait and see.	18:06
ghostcube	isnt this bada?	18:07
ghostcube	the brand new samsung thingy?	18:07
ghostcube	but you can run android on ubuntu in future :D	18:07
kwtm	No, apparently he said, "Don't bother with bada". But I'll just see.	18:07
DocScrutinizer	http://www.adobe.com/support/security/bulletins/apsb10-22.html	18:07
dneary	kwtm, Some guy called "raster" is the main developer behind Enlightenment and EFC	18:07
ghostcube	ah ok	18:07
Termana	kwtm, it's safe to believe raster.	18:07
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kwtm	ghostcube: Other way around. You want Ubuntu to run on what you own, not something else to run on Ubuntu.	18:07
toggles	cool, still have the option of .debs on a phone	18:08
kwtm	Termana: Okay. So there's even more credibility. Although I don't know how much to believe Samsung.	18:08
kwtm	For all I know, Microsoft could parachute in at the last minute and say, "Wait wait! Microsoft Windows for Geekphones v8 will be coming out Any Time Now!"	18:08
kfx	I don't want ubuntu anywhere near anything I own	18:08
kfx	I like my computers to work well	18:08
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DocScrutinizer	dneary: and also the main developer behind that new linux thing from Samsung that's not bada	18:09
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kwtm	kfx: Not the point: I want a phone capable of running apps written for desktop, which means that the phone will have access to a much larger collection of software than something like, Palm/iPhone, say, with apps specifically written for the phone.	18:09
Termana	I don't know who his employer is (weather it's Samsung or not), but I know raster gets source access to certain closed things and early prototypes. So, if he says that somethings coming, hes probably violating an NDA and you should report it. lol kidding :P	18:09
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kwtm	DocScrutinizer: Yeah, whatever you call it --NLTFSTNB (New Linux Thing From Samsung That's Not Bada)	18:10
kfx	kwtm: me too! that's why I like my n810 and my n900 :)	18:10
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kwtm	kfx: Ah, then you're probably the person to ask: do you have Gnumeric running on N900? Is it safe to pull in from extras-devel?	18:10
Termana	kwtm, technically, you can do that on an Android phone as well	18:11
DocScrutinizer	Termana: I know raster good enough to tell you he doesn't violate NDAs	18:11
kwtm	By "safe" I mean "does not ruin the system in a way that needs command-line to fix".	18:11
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kfx	kwtm: I just leave extras-devel enabled all the time	18:11
kwtm	Termana: What, you mean run linux desktop apps on Android? Or there is a port of gnumeric to Android?	18:11
Termana	DocScrutinizer, He probably isn't - but I haven't seen any announcements from Samsung about this new platform :P	18:11
kfx	I use gnumeric -- if you have a really huge spreadsheet it will get really ugly	18:12
kwtm	kfx: Okay, more specific question: Is Gnumeric usable by Average Joe on the N900?	18:12
kfx	but I mean, a spreadsheet with millions of rows	18:12
kfx	kwtm: yes imo	18:12
kwtm	kfx: Thx. Will try it out.	18:12
kfx	it won't break your device afaik	18:12
kfx	worst case it runs a little slower than you'd like and you uninstall it :)	18:12
Termana	kwtm, run linux desktop apps. As long as you have root access on your Android phone, you can set up a Debian chroot and install Debian apps.	18:12
DocScrutinizer	Termana: no? you haven't seen raster talking about it?	18:13
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Termana	DocScrutinizer, I haven't, actually, but that's not exactly what I would call an announcement from Samsung.	18:13
kfx	Termana: does android run an x11 server?	18:13
kfx	or do you have to install all that crap from debian	18:14
DocScrutinizer	Termana: have you seen any announcement of Nokia about N9?	18:14
Termana	kfx, no Android runs in its own little bubble. You have to install it in Debian	18:14
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Termana	DocScrutinizer, bad analogy. Someone did violate an NDA showing the N9.	18:15
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kfx	Termana: so it sounds like installing eg gnumeric is way more of a pain in the ass on android than maemo	18:15
kwtm	How does this FoneArena championship work? Is it just votes? It's a popularity contest?	18:16
DocScrutinizer	Termana: see? that's why you haven't seen anything about that NLTFSTNB - raster isn't violating NDA	18:16
kwtm	Termana: Yeah, honestly, raster didn'	18:16
kwtm	Termana: Yeah, honestly, raster didn't say anything much more than "Have hope, Nokia's not the only one working on a Real Linux Phone"	18:16
Termana	kfx, yes it is. Like I said, technically its possible. Weather you would want to do it, at least inside Android, is another thing.	18:17
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Termana	kwtm, it's just votes. I suppose it's a popularity contest.	18:17
DocScrutinizer	kwtm: I know a bit more about what raster is actually working on though	18:17
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toggles	i'd buy rasters ubuntu phone	18:19
toggles	but then i bought an openmoko, so i'd buy anything	18:19
DocScrutinizer	I'd not - it's capacitive touchscreen :-P	18:19
kfx	ew	18:19
kfx	I hope someone holds out against this capacative screen fad	18:19
kwtm	What drawbacks should I look for with capacitive touchscreen, if I don't need to paint or use other pressure-sensitive apps?	18:20
kfx	you can't use it while wearing gloves?	18:21
DocScrutinizer51	no stylus, just wieners?	18:21
dneary	DocScrutinizer: Bada exists, and will get onto phones. It's kind of like Samsung's Brew	18:21
kwtm	DocScrutinizer: I have high hopes for the RasterPhone, but I'm more wondering about the politics of it. I mean, Microsoft parachuted in with the OLPC at the last minute and put Windows on the OLPC...	18:22
Termana	kfx, honestly - I've tried using my n900 with gloves, I don't think it works that great with resistive either. I mean, it works, but not very well.	18:22
kwtm	kfx: Alright, no gloves. What else?	18:22
Termana	kfx, I had to end up using the stylus. You can get capacitive styluses as well	18:22
DocScrutinizer51	no, you get capacitive wiener sausage	18:23
kwtm	dneary: not sure if you know this already, but raster was specifically referring to something OTHER THAN bada.	18:23
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kwtm	Who's DocScrutinizer51? I wanna be DocScrutinizer102!	18:23
kfx	I've had no problems using gloves on my n900	18:25
kfx	and sure you can get capacitive styluses but on the other hand any object I want is now my stylus	18:25
kfx	including the back of the pen on my desk	18:25
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kwtm	DOes capacitive touch work with anything other than fingers? Like a metal pen, for instance?	18:26
kfx	also OLPC never shipped a single Windows XO	18:26
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kfx	and afaik no deployment nation signed such a deal with MS either	18:26
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kwtm	olpc didn't? What did they ship?	18:26
kfx	they ship an OS based on Fedora 11	18:26
kwtm	Oh! That's good news.	18:26
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kfx	microsoft devoted engineering time to ensure that windows could be run on the laptop	18:27
kfx	...but nobody does that	18:27
jacekowski	kwtm: metal pen yeah	18:28
jacekowski	kwtm: but contact surface has to be big enough	18:28
kwtm	kfx: Ahh.. I see now. Thought it came with WinXO.	18:29
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DocScrutinizer	kwtm: no, capacitive works with conductive area, so a usual metal sylus or pen doesn't	18:30
kwtm	What about durability? WHen I used my Palm III / TRGpro / Handera, there was always this trend that, after a year or so, the resistive touchscreen started getting spurious jumps (e.g. it would detect a tap as a stroke that started elsewhere and traveled to my fingertip). Does capacitive start to malfunction like that after a year or so?	18:31
kfx	kwtm: MS's bullying was actually pretty handy. The XO-1 only has 1gb of non-upgradeable onboard storage. MS wanted a bootable SD card slot so there'd be room for windows ... so the machine shipped with an SDHC slot :)	18:31
DocScrutinizer	capaicitve stylii look like wieners	18:31
kfx	kwtm: resistive technology has not been stagnant since the palm iii days	18:31
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jacekowski	kwtm: i never had that kind of problem with resistive	18:31
Termana	kwtm, no. Plus that just sounds like bad design.	18:31
kwtm	kfx: Ah! No wonder the price went up. I read "MS drops in on OLPC -- now the $100 laptop costs $200"	18:31
DocScrutinizer	capacitive tends to depolarize (lose the static charge) and fails after a few years	18:31
jacekowski	kwtm: it was never $100	18:32
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kfx	kwtm: yeah it was a lot of work for no results as far as MS is concerned	18:32
kwtm	Termana: sorry, please explain context for your "Plus that just sounds like bad design." --not sure what part of the conversation that's from.	18:32
MNZ	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Touchscreen#Comparison_of_touchscreen_technologies	18:32
Termana	kwtm, your resistive screens going ape shit	18:33
kwtm	kfx: Excellent, so you seem to be saying that at least the quality is better nowadays with slower degradation? (I ask because it's actually NOT to the manufacturer's advantage to improve the durability of resistive)	18:33
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kwtm	jacekowski: Yeah, but it was known as "the $100 laptop". Oh, well. Speaks of the wisdom of naming your product after a specific dollar amount in a specific currency. :)	18:34
kwtm	MNZ: Thanks for the link. Reading now.	18:34
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kwtm	MNZ: It says there's 4-wire and 5-wire resistive touchscreen. Which is N900?	18:36
MNZ	beats me	18:36
DocScrutinizer	MNZ: 4wire	18:36
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DocScrutinizer	err, kwtm ^^^	18:37
kwtm	Got it, DocScrutinizer.	18:37
DocScrutinizer	with 5wire you can actually do multitouch on r-ts (well dualtouch)	18:38
DocScrutinizer	you can do with 4wire as well, but that's not commonly used	18:39
kwtm	SPeaking of which, I like that proposal someone put forth that "multi-touch equivalent" is that a tap-and-swipe denotes multitouch.	18:40
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DocScrutinizer	lcuk implemented a fake mt like that	18:41
lcuk	no I didn't. it was actual multitouch as in >1 finger on screen at once :P	18:42
lcuk	*is	18:42
kfx	it doesn't appear to be in extras	18:42
DocScrutinizer	yesyes. I referred to this looking to the ts like a touch and rapid swipe	18:43
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DocScrutinizer	if you don't accidentally manage to put your both fingers on the screen same microsecond :-P	18:44
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DocScrutinizer	in which case your fake mt would look like somebody leaning on the screen with his elbow	18:44
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Khertan	it s funny to see that nokia didn't use dbus-default-callback hint but set in hard there call depending on category !	18:53
Khertan	mouarf !	18:53
frals	you can set it on your own notifications	18:54
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Khertan	my n900 usb connector move more and more	19:00
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Khertan	if he breaks i think i ll try to made a no connection connector :	19:00
Khertan	:)	19:00
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Aranel	is HS-44 and WH-205 same (except HS-44 got control buttons) or not?	19:03
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lcuk	Congratulations to the new council! andy80, jaffa, timsamoff, revdkathy, achipa	19:24
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SpeedEvil	May they rule for a thousand years.	19:25
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MohammadAG	congrats new council members	19:27
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lardman	Indeed, well done chaps and chapess	19:33
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lcuk	hey lardman	19:35
lardman	hi lcuk	19:35
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lardman	am doing the fun and exciting process of consolidating and cleaning up code	19:39
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flexxxv	hy, is it normal that executing pcsuite-enable.sh gives a "sh: 0: unknown operand"???	19:40
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lardman	no idea, where's the code?	19:42
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flexxxv	of pcsuite-enable.sh?	19:43
lardman	yep	19:43
flexxxv	its in /usr/sbin/ I can post on astebin (its gpl) if you want	19:43
lardman	that's ok, I'll look on my device	19:44
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flexxxv	I was just rying MohammadAG usb host thing	19:44
flexxxv	*trying	19:45
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lardman	hmm, I can't see why it would be failing off-hand	19:45
lardman	so no idea I'm afraid	19:45
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flexxxv	what happens if you execute it?	19:46
RST38h	heya lardman	19:46
lardman	hey RST38h	19:46
johnsq	Hi	19:46
lardman	flexxxv: I get G_FILE_STORAGE_REMOVE and on the next line G_NOKIA_READY	19:47
lardman	hello johnsq	19:47
flexxxv	and not that "sh: 0: unknown operand" ?	19:47
lardman	nope	19:47
lardman	did you modify the script?	19:47
lardman	or copy and paste it from a web browser or somesuch?	19:48
flexxxv	no :-O could you pastebin yours? so that i can do a diff	19:48
lardman	yeah, hang on a tick	19:48
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lardman	http://maemo.pastebin.com/epp2kdfL	19:50
flexxxv	thx btw I dont get the G_FILE_STORAGE_REMOVE	19:50
lardman	it might not be insmodded of course	19:50
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lardman	I need to find a >2Gb SD card to try installing Meego	19:52
lardman	shopping trip I think	19:52
* lardman talks to himself randomly, just ignore me		19:52
flexxxv	have fun ;)	19:52
lardman	what shopping!? ;)	19:53
johnsq	lardman: you want to see an os without apps :>	19:53
lardman	johnsq: yeah that's a minor issue of course	19:53
lardman	johnsq: as long as the phone works and a calendar (not sure about that one mind you)	19:53
RST38h	and without ability to charge your battery	19:54
RST38h	and no, phone does not work yet	19:55
lardman	yeah that's not ideal	19:55
lardman	Stskeeps: mentioned somewhere that the phone stuff would be working soon	19:55
lardman	needed to be accepted into trunk or somesuch	19:55
Stskeeps	90% is accepted, ofono's working	19:55
lardman	Stskeeps: is there a calendar app? and contacts?	19:57
lardman	(just thinking about trying to use the phone inbetween hacking)	19:57
Stskeeps	there's an calendar but i haven't tried it	19:57
lardman	can't be any worse than what we already have ;)	19:57
Stskeeps	it's not completely at a level where i'd eat my own dogfood	19:57
Stskeeps	1.2 should approach that rapidly	19:57
lardman	except the 10s+ loading time perhaps	19:57
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RST38h	Stskeeps: When is 1.2 supposed to show up? =)	20:01
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Stskeeps	RST38h: 6 months from 1.1	20:01
lardman	and 1.1? :)	20:02
MohammadAG	<flexxxv> hy, is it normal that executing pcsuite-enable.sh gives a "sh: 0: unknown operand"???	20:02
MohammadAG	yes	20:02
MohammadAG	bad Nokia scripting	20:02
RST38h	Stskeeps:Next year then?	20:03
Stskeeps	lardman: first release candidate next week so you can imagine the panic	20:03
MohammadAG	and it'	20:03
lardman	indeed, so I'll stop asking silly questions	20:03
MohammadAG	s not mine :)	20:03
flexxxv	@MohammedAG thx for info	20:03
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flexxxv	MohammedAG: cant get the host mode stuff to work	20:03
flexxxv	tried 2 flash drives and one external powerd HD	20:04
Stskeeps	RST38h: development model of 1.2's supposed to be different, i think	20:04
Stskeeps	so earlier stable results	20:04
Stskeeps	(don't hold me up on that)	20:04
flexxxv	The flash drive gets the power but its not recognized :(	20:04
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MohammadAG	flexxxv, check PM	20:05
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flexxxv	MohammedAG: MohammedAG	20:05
flexxxv	MohammedAG: thx	20:05
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flexxxv	MohammedAG: Inbox contains 0 messages. You have 0 messages stored, of a total 300 allowed. :P Htink I'll just wait a few minutes...	20:07
MohammadAG	:/	20:07
MohammadAG	type /query MohammadAG	20:07
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Otto_	hi guys... we had this conversation yesterday about dd zeroing the whole flash in order to block up badblocks from the flash... I tried it today but it wasn't successfull :(	20:14
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kerio	Otto_: didn't you say you work for nokia? get it fixed	20:18
Stskeeps	Otto_: if it's emmc, it sounds dead	20:19
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Otto_	yes its emmc and it can't be fixed. only solution is to get a new phone	20:20
kerio	or, you know, fix it	20:21
kerio	send it to nokia	20:21
kerio	it should be quite the short roundtrip in your case	20:21
kerio	:)	20:21
Otto_	can't you read, it can't be dixed :)	20:21
Otto_	fixed	20:21
kerio	nokia can fix it	20:21
kerio	and by "it" i mean the phone	20:21
ShadowJK	"block up"?	20:21
kerio	replace the emmc	20:21
Stskeeps	Otto_: i would get a new phone through RMA, obviously dead chip	20:21
Stskeeps	very difficult to replace	20:22
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Otto_	yup	20:22
ShadowJK	In my experience, once you get bad blocks on flash media, it never goes away	20:22
ShadowJK	Some chips stop responding alltogether the first time you touch a bad block :(	20:22
Otto_	maybe that's the case	20:22
Otto_	we were brainstorimg that rewriting the whole flash the flash controller would "block up" the bad blocks	20:23
njain	hey! guys its great to find this channel.	20:23
ShadowJK	Otto_, well this could be the case if the controller was actually smart	20:23
ShadowJK	but it's incredibly dumb ;p	20:23
Otto_	:)	20:23
Otto_	it seems so	20:23
ShadowJK	With engineering level access to the chip, with proprietary software, you might be able to shrink the size of it to not include the most dead area	20:24
Otto_	if it would as smart as we expected there would be a LOT less fighting with the flash	20:24
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ShadowJK	but the only manufacturer I know of that publish such tools is OCZ, and that only works for a handful of devices :)	20:24
Otto_	ye, but it's usually easier to replace the whole phone	20:25
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ShadowJK	There's a Omap3 CPU, it has to be smart instead of the flash	20:25
njain	i have written a small game four digits in python on n900	20:25
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MNZ	eMMC? CLEAN CUP! Clean cup! move down move DOWN!	20:26
ShadowJK	Otto_, "fighting with the flash"? :-)	20:26
Otto_	all the trouble it's causing to people who has bought a n900	20:26
njain	i want to make it available on app manager	20:26
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njain	how do you do it?	20:26
ShadowJK	Well.. I think it's pretty rare that it actually dies	20:26
ShadowJK	And then running filesystems on top of it that aren't aware of flash properties can result in spectacular filesystem corruption on unclean shutdown :D	20:27
mece	njain, pypackager is a good start. Or did you package it already?	20:27
Otto_	true that :)	20:27
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mece	njain, here are instructions for uploading and so on: http://wiki.maemo.org/Uploading_to_Extras	20:29
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jacktheripper	libwnck is not there on maemo is it ?	20:41
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RST38h	heya wazd	21:08
wazd	RST38h: o/	21:09
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RST38h	wazd: how is suffering?	21:10
wazd	RST38h: trying to get bloody irish visa :D	21:11
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RST38h	wazd: tell them you are a persecuted leprechaun, then ask for asylum	21:13
wazd	RST38h: yeah, I guess that will help :D	21:13
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GAN900	It's 2010. The world shouldn't be so backwards.	21:18
derf	You must live in a different world than I do.	21:19
RST38h	the world goes in circles anyway	21:19
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GAN900	derf, optimism of youth? g	21:20
mgedmin	to go or not to go ...	21:21
GAN900	mgedmin, to Dublin?	21:21
GAN900	Go.	21:21
mgedmin	yes	21:21
RST38h	by all means, go and flush after yourself!	21:21
mgedmin	nokia's probably not going to distribute development devices this year ...	21:21
GAN900	At worst you get to drink with some Maemo people.	21:21
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mgedmin	GAN900, you're surprisingly convincing -- and I don't even drink ;)	21:22
mgedmin	well, I don't drink beer	21:22
RST38h	mgdemin: then you will drink tea or something	21:22
GAN900	Nor I, usually.	21:22
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RobotNixon	are you guys tring to get submitted to bash.org er sumn?	21:22
RobotNixon	cuz its not working	21:23
GAN900	Er, no?	21:23
RST38h	That is ok, Mr Nixon, you can switch off your listening equipment now.	21:23
RobotNixon	thats RobotNixon to you	21:23
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RST38h	To me, it is 41.130.59.206	21:25
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MNZ	41 = Egypt	21:27
MNZ	or webchat.freenode	21:27
MNZ	hold on... so webchat.freenode.net sets your name to your ip?	21:30
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RobotNixon	yea...do they eve have computers in egypt?	21:31
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MNZ	RobotNixon, yes, we do. Friggin camel keeps pissing on the PC though	21:33
mgedmin	cooling must be a pain	21:34
MNZ	RobotNixon, no you shouldn't	21:35
MNZ	I KNEW it was you haha	21:35
RobotNixon	lol	21:35
lardman	hmm, Dublin, difficult one that	21:36
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Otto_	:P	21:43
GAN900	lardman, you're not going?	21:44
lardman	not decided yet	21:44
lardman	I have a meeting that week and am off to India the next week	21:45
lardman	so will be rather busy	21:45
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lardman	I might try popping over for the sat/sun Maemo get-together (assuming that happens) and then just come to Monday so I can get back for my Wed meeting (and prepare on Tue afternoon)	21:45
GAN900	Well, I'm going.	21:46
lardman	ah good stuff, I will make an effort then	21:46
lardman	:)	21:46
GAN900	So you damn well better be there.	21:46
lardman	lol	21:46
lardman	I could appear over a video link ;)	21:46
GAN900	(hinging on sponsorship, though)	21:46
GAN900	Ha	21:46
lardman	does anyone know what the plan is for the sat/sun?	21:46
GAN900	That was my plan for 2008.	21:46
lardman	real pita that I've had something rescheduled for wed of that week	21:47
GAN900	Tell them to go to hell.	21:47
lardman	well, it's a meeting that we're laying on, so probably not such a good idea	21:48
lardman	I wonder when the conf timetable will be finalised, then I can see what's on on the Tuesday and decide whether to get a late or early flight back	21:48
Stskeeps	within a week, hopefully	21:49
lardman	cool	21:49
lardman	has anyone booked yet for the D4 hotels? What the per-night cost?	21:50
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Stskeeps	you'd think they were scots	21:52
Stskeeps	:P	21:52
jacktheripper	I just found that libwnck-2.26.2 compiles on scratchbox and it doesn't exist in the maemo.org repos. Can I post it or something ?	21:53
lardman	jacktheripper: submit it to extras-devel	21:53
lardman	Stskeeps: what do you mean?	21:53
jacktheripper	ok	21:53
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jacktheripper	lardman: do I upload it using a prog, or it's done through the site ? sorry, first time here :D	21:56
lardman	http://wiki.maemo.org/Uploading_to_Extras-devel	21:57
lardman	basically you need a login then upload a source package via a web interface	21:57
lardman	assuming it builds correctly (deps) then you're fine	21:57
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jacktheripper	well, it builds correctly on scratchbox.	21:59
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jacktheripper	ARMEL target	22:00
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lardman	well upload it and check you've got all the deps in there, it's easy to miss them! :)	22:00
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lardman	bbiab	22:01
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Stskeeps	lardman\|afk: think i paid like 105 eur or something	22:01
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Stskeeps	per night	22:01
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MohammadAG	DocScrutinizer, hostmode worked for WhiteWolf	22:03
MohammadAG	whoever he is	22:03
* MohammadAG PMs for syslog		22:03
DocScrutinizer	http://paste.debian.net/91307/	22:03
MohammadAG	that's your device?	22:04
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Aranel	any WH-701 in-ear owner here?	22:16
FIQ\|n900	interesting	22:16
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FIQ\|n900	is it -devel fail or a bug that results in the toolbar disappearing if you lock and lockup your standby screen? :P	22:17
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DocScrutinizer	http://paste.debian.net/91309/	22:18
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FIQ\|n900	ah, nvm, a -devel fault. :)	22:22
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RobotNixon	the iphone ruined my life thank god for open sorce	22:23
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lcuk	RobotNixon, how on earth did a phone of any model ruin your life?	22:35
GAN900	holyshitmodest	22:36
GAN900	It wont leave me alone about the SMTP settings which are clearly correct.	22:36
lcuk	GAN900, screencast whilst its failing	22:36
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tortoisedoc	jani	23:08
tortoisedoc	ah sorry wrong person	23:08
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tortoisedoc	anyone ever attempted to compile the bellagio on n900	23:09
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lcuk	tortoisedoc, nop	23:12
* lcuk wonders how many apps can be gotten into extras		23:12
lcuk	in a single day	23:12
tortoisedoc	thanks lcuk	23:13
tortoisedoc	the guys over at maemo-devel are quite silent so i thought i give it a try ere	23:13
tortoisedoc	here	23:13
lcuk	tortoisedoc, they can be noisey	23:13
lcuk	it just depends on the kind of question you ask	23:13
tortoisedoc	heh	23:13
lcuk	most often case someone will just not pipe up unless they can help	23:13
tortoisedoc	so perhaps mines was quite a noisy one lol	23:14
tortoisedoc	erm	23:14
tortoisedoc	boring	23:14
tortoisedoc	good point	23:14
lcuk	what is bellagio?	23:14
tortoisedoc	its a OpenMAX IL interface implementation	23:14
tortoisedoc	(used for streaming usually)	23:14
lcuk	why would you/me/anyone need it on their device?	23:15
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lcuk	tortoisedoc, was a serious question :P	23:18
tortoisedoc	ah sorry	23:18
tortoisedoc	was compiling	23:19
tortoisedoc	it is used for example in video application	23:19
tortoisedoc	*applications	23:19
tortoisedoc	to decode streams	23:19
tortoisedoc	like for showing videos from youtube	23:19
lcuk	the Maemo N900 uses MAFW and gstreamer	23:19
lcuk	could openmax sit as one of the layers there	23:19
tortoisedoc	yes	23:19
lcuk	to allow vieos in default player :) ahh	23:19
tortoisedoc	thing is that openmax is more low level	23:20
tortoisedoc	which is what i need	23:20
lcuk	cool	23:20
tortoisedoc	yep	23:20
lcuk	what are you hoping to do with it	23:20
tortoisedoc	but sadly i am too stupid to make it work lol	23:20
lcuk	i doubt that is the case :)	23:21
lcuk	have you worked with anything else on maemo before	23:21
lcuk	or have you just jumped at this from scratch and just regular linux building experience	23:22
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tortoisedoc	first app on maemo	23:23
tortoisedoc	very nice system	23:24
lcuk	and you are porting already :P	23:24
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tortoisedoc	damn webchat	23:38
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