IRC log of #maemo for Sunday, 2010-09-19

dnearyJaffa, Ping?00:00
MNZdneary, I've done 'rm -rf /usr' instead of 'rm -rf usr' before00:00
MNZ^C is never fast enough00:00
dnearyMNZ, That's no big deal, as long as you're not root at the time00:01
MNZof course a bunch of shell scripting later I had everything back to normal00:01
MNZwas root00:01
xqooh by the way, can you connect to the N900 with USB and use a shell?00:01
nox-yes00:01
dnearyxqo, use a shell to do what?00:01
xqoanything00:02
dnearyLike in demolition man?00:02
dnearyBut you'd need 300:02
xqoI can plug my Neo Freerunner into my desktop computer and control it with a proper keyboard. can i do that with the n900?00:02
pexinox-, what do you need for that?00:02
nox-yes if you install sshd00:02
xqonice..00:03
dnearyxqo, Ah, you mean can you get a shell on the tablet, from your desktop?00:03
nox-might want to use ssh keys tho...00:03
voltsso my n800 has entered an endless reboot loop and reflashing with the latest diablo image didn't help...  should i try --set-rd-flags=no-lifeguard-reset ?00:03
pexinox-, i mean can you access the mounted part00:03
voltsi'm looking at this very old page here: http://blog.worldofcoding.com/2007/02/playing-with-my-n800.html00:04
xqoyes, dneary00:04
johnxvolts, couldn't hurt00:04
johnxare you sure the reflash worked though? also, when did it start rebooting?00:04
dnearyxqo, Then yes00:05
lcukvolts, if you think thats old:00:05
johnxxqo, it's more convenient to just ssh in over wifi though00:05
nox-pexi, via scp?  that goes via usb (or wifi) networking not via usb mass storage (which umounts first)00:05
xqojohnx, why?00:05
lcuki found a source code offer for a function I like, given in reference to an article written in 1986!00:05
voltsjohnx: it started the reboot loop a few weeks ago, i'm not sure why00:05
voltsi can still charge the n800 at least00:05
lcuki am pondering contacting the university and seeing whether that offer stands00:05
johnxxqo, wifi means no wires :P00:06
voltsso should i do "sudo flasher-3.5 -F <firmware-image> --set-rd-flags=no-lifeguard-reset -f -R"?00:06
pexinox-, yeah, did google n900 usb networking00:06
lcukjohnx, does code retain use after 26 years?00:06
voltsor are "-f -R" not needed?00:06
johnxlcuk, you're using UNIX, aren't you?00:06
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xqoi dont have wifi here, i could get it, but i dont mind wires. do you get the cable you need with the phone?00:06
johnxvolts, no need to include the image00:06
johnxit's just setting a flag00:07
lcukjohnx, no, its for a graphical bitmap rotation function00:07
johnxxqo, yeah, is the same one used for syncing ;)00:07
lcukits advertisting uber optimising00:07
lcukas they had to do00:07
johnxlcuk, why not? are bits different nowadays? are angles of rotation different?00:07
lcukand would be perfect for the task I need00:07
lcukjohnx, my point00:07
lcukso I think I will contact the uni and have a see00:08
voltsjohnx: ah thanks, then i should just do "sudo flasher-3.5 --set-rd-flags=no-lifeguard-reset"?00:08
johnxI mean, algorithmically we've come a long way since then, so changes are good it's not the most optimal00:08
nox-xqo, thats also what i thought doing at first, but then i just got an usb wifi dongle that does ap mode and plugged that into a freebsd box :)00:08
johnxvolts, yeah. you might need to turn on rd mode though00:08
lcukjohnx, i believe the same or similar implementation exists in the middle of the doom engine00:08
johnxI don't remember if that happens implicitly or if it's separate00:09
lcuki just like the purity of thinking this is a simple single function :)00:09
voltsjohnx: ah, how would i do that?00:09
johnxlcuk, well, that's 15+ years old too00:09
lcuksure00:09
johnxvolts, flasher --help00:09
johnxcan't think of it right now00:09
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DocScrutinizerlcuk: (you also might know who else) sorry?00:10
lcukjohnx, its the same logic as I was thinking to code it myself, its just the number of variables and complexity of the operation keeps blocking00:10
xqodo you use Maemo or Meego on the N900? because its compatible with Meego right?00:10
voltsjohnx: ah i see, i think it's probably  --enable-rd-mode00:10
voltsbrb...00:10
lcuki started and failed the other night and braindumped the equation in pseudocode00:10
lcukthen found the article which described it in same manner00:10
crashanddiedoes anybody know why sjgadsby pinged me on twitter about some audiopulse LGPL violation?00:11
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johnxxqo, there will be a meego port to N900. it's underway00:13
luke-jrxqo: MeeGo doesn't *really* exist yet00:13
johnxbut maemo software won't magically work in meego00:13
luke-jrxqo: officially, it's not supported. but Nokia does pay people to work on it.00:13
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xqothen.. the n900 wont reeally be superupdated in the near future even though the n9 is coming?00:14
kerioxqo: there will be meego, if that's what you're asking00:14
johnxxqo, not officially, no00:14
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MNZI'm pretty sure the N900 will be one of the first (if not THE first) device to run meego00:15
johnxalso, given historical evidence, it's likely that a lot of developers will jump to the N9 and start making meego software as soon as it's available00:15
kerioMNZ: i thought it ran meego already00:16
johnxMNZ, well, technically it *is* the first I think00:16
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johnxbut it will never run an official commercially supported version of meego, IIUC00:16
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MNZwell I don't really care. What I really care about right now is hwo to snoop on dbus messages00:17
keriodbus-monitor?00:17
DocScrutinizerMNZ: check mdbus00:17
DocScrutinizeror use dbus-monitor00:17
xqowhat is G2?00:17
xqosomeone said the G2 is N900 and Desire combined00:17
johnxit's an HTC Desire Z, runs android00:17
johnxno relation to the N900 in terms of hardware or software00:18
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johnxcloses hardware to the N900 is the Verizon Droid and the iPhone 3GS00:18
keriothe *verizon* droid?00:18
johnxmotorola Milestone, I think?00:18
johnxkerio, it's a carrier re-branded phone,00:19
xqohttp://www.zurb.com/article/438/-podcast-of-peter-skillmans-talk-on-innov by the way, if you're interested.00:19
keriothe motorola droid, isn't it00:19
wmaronedroid is being used by verizon00:19
keriothe droid is a closed piece of crap00:19
wmaronethey all are00:19
wmaroneall motorola phones are00:20
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johnxkerio, but verizon calls it the droid, motorola calls it the milestone, IIRC00:20
kerioyeah but the droid actually prevents you from running custom kernels00:20
wmaronewell00:20
wmaronethe -droid- doesn't00:20
johnxso do most carrier branded Android handsets, IIRC00:20
wmaronethe milestone does00:20
kerioat a hardware level00:20
pexiIt's very easy to copy a mobile phone . it takes about 8 hours to take apart a phone and laser scan the whole thing. It will take another 2 to 3 weeks and mimic and build any phone out there. The bar for delivering reasonable hardware has really come down.00:21
pexiwut00:21
johnxpexi, yeah, a little questionable00:21
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pexiand what about the patents and torpedos00:23
pexii donno00:23
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jacekowskikerio: it's not on hardware level as far as i know00:23
jacekowskikerio: it's on cpu rom firmware level00:24
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keriojacekowski: it doesn't make it any less bad00:24
wmaronethe kernel lock is enforced by ARM's TrustZone00:24
wmaronewhich checks the bootloader on startup00:24
voltsoh wow, it works now00:24
jacekowskiwmarone: nope00:25
jacekowskiwmarone: trustzone has nothing to do with it00:25
jacekowskiwmarone: it's m-shield00:25
wmaronem-shield?00:25
Corsacthat'll be the case for harmattan and meego too, afawk00:25
jacekowskiyep00:25
voltsoddly it booted after disabling RD mode00:25
voltshttp://blog.worldofcoding.com/2007/02/playing-with-my-n800.html still works :)00:25
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jacekowskiwmarone: it's the thing that verifies bootloader00:26
voltsbut it only got stuck on a white screen while in RD mode00:26
jacekowskiwmarone: and anything else you want it to verify00:26
jacekowskiwmarone: and it's using trustzone to make it "safe"00:26
jacekowskiwmarone: so you can't tamper easily with m-shield00:27
jacekowskiwmarone: because all it is is just bootloader hardcoded into rom that's doing everything00:27
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DocScrutinizerjacekowski: and if anybody is going to make me flash a m-shield enabled NOLO to my phone, that requires a signed kernel and possibly the signing key isn't public (as otherwise it's worthless anyway), believe me I'll find him wherever he hides in this universe, and feed him this crap00:32
luke-jrDocScrutinizer: you already have a m-shield enabled NOLO00:33
DocScrutinizerbut not one that requires a signature on kernel00:33
jacekowskiwell, nolo is m-shield enabled00:35
jacekowskibut it's not configured to enforce anything except signed bootloader00:35
jacekowskiwhich is quite pointless00:35
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jacekowskibecause you can just chainload another bootloader using nolo00:35
jacekowskiit can even be nolo again00:36
DocScrutinizerI thought NOLO *is* the botloader00:36
DocScrutinizerbootloader even00:36
jacekowskiyeah, but nolo can only load images in specific format00:36
jacekowskiand has some limitations00:36
DocScrutinizeryeah we know it will load any correctly formated binary, no matter if a kernel or uBoot or whatever00:37
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noobmonk3yanyone know why /sys/devices/platform/omap34xx_temp/temp1_input reads -40 as a temperature at times?00:39
DocScrutinizerjacekowski: how's key management handled? Will TI sign Nokia's NOLO? or do they ship 3430 with Nokia's pubkey in ROM? or are they deploying one standard secret key to all OEMs?00:40
noobmonk3yhe Mo00:40
jacekowskifrom limited info i was able to find00:40
noobmonk3yhey*00:40
jacekowskiyou need some special toolkit00:40
jacekowskito flash key into cpu00:40
DocScrutinizeroh, so Nokia themselves flash their oubkey to 3430 ROM00:41
DocScrutinizerpubkey*00:41
jacekowskiyep00:41
jacekowskiand that's probably why bootloader is using all that trustzone stuff00:42
jacekowskiso you can't do anything with key from outside bootloader00:42
DocScrutinizerso you could disable (or not enable) m-shield on a fresh CPU?00:42
jacekowskii don't have official docs00:42
jacekowskii just have limited info i found on many websites00:42
jacekowskibut i belive so00:43
jacekowskithat's why i was thinking about wiping it using x-rays00:43
DocScrutinizerlemme rephrase: when I replace OMAP3430 SOC with a spare from digikey, will it still load NOLO?00:43
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MohammadAG<noobmonk3y> anyone know why /sys/devices/platform/omap34xx_temp/temp1_input reads -40 as a temperature at times? <-- isn't this borked by design?00:43
MohammadAGafaik SpeedEvil knows about it00:43
jacekowskiDocScrutinizer: no00:44
jacekowskiDocScrutinizer: nolo uses HS stuff from cpu00:44
luke-jrDocScrutinizer: no00:44
luke-jrDocScrutinizer: for example, see the qemu problem00:44
jacekowskiDocScrutinizer: and you can't get HS version unless you are nokia or any other big vendor00:44
luke-jrDocScrutinizer: qemu can't run N900 NOLO00:44
DocScrutinizer:-/00:45
jacekowskinolo that qemu is running isn't that different from n900 nolo00:45
DocScrutinizerwhat's HS?00:45
jacekowskihighsecurity00:45
DocScrutinizerFFS00:45
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jaskahitlersecurity00:46
noobmonk3yjacekowski, LED 4 Fail, ever get to the bottom of the LED selftest?00:46
noobmonk3ylol Mo00:46
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DocScrutinizernoobmonk3y: what's the problem with LED selftest? I can tell you some bits about LP552300:46
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noobmonk3ycat /sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-2/2-0032/selftest - > just getting a LED 4 FAIL, saw a log saying Jace got it, but cant find much more out about it00:47
jacekowskiyeah, mine is failing as well00:47
DocScrutinizerouch00:47
jacekowskii'm not bothered00:47
noobmonk3yjace -> mine was fine 10 mins ago, not now00:47
noobmonk3yso thinking it cant test 4 unless it's in a certain position, etc00:48
noobmonk3yie, something needs to be happening00:48
MohammadAGmuhahaha00:48
MohammadAGNokia-N900:~# cat /sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-2/2-0032/selftest00:48
MohammadAGOK00:48
MohammadAGNokia-N900:~#00:48
noobmonk3y;)00:48
noobmonk3ybut would be useful to know what 4 is, so i can try to explain led 4 fail00:48
noobmonk3yffs! LED 1 FAIL now!!!00:48
luke-jrI want to get my N900 to share GPS via Bluetooth00:48
noobmonk3yi wonder if it is a speed thing? tests too quick :P lol00:48
luke-jranyone to help? :P00:48
* MohammadAG fast forwards 10 minutes00:48
MohammadAGYOU FAIL00:48
MohammadAG:P00:48
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MohammadAGwould be lulz if it said that00:49
noobmonk3ysorry luke-jr  no idea00:49
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* noobmonk3y makes a special MohammadAG version of healthcheck.... just fails everything00:49
MohammadAGI was an app to send messages via BT00:49
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luke-jrI think the problem is getting this stupid Mac to recognize N900 as a GPS00:49
noobmonk3yyou were? lol00:49
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MohammadAGwant* LOL00:49
DocScrutinizernoobmonk3y: lp5523 kernel driver is doing the selftests, deciding if a particular LED is ok by A/D'ing the voltage over LED. It mustn't be too high or too low00:50
noobmonk3ythe only google on "cat /sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-2/2-0032/selftest" brings up yours and Jace's convo on irc logs, not the greatest documented thing on earth :P00:50
noobmonk3yhmmmmmm ... that makes sense00:51
noobmonk3ythanks Doc!00:51
noobmonk3yso, if the device is oc's on charge etc... that could feck it00:51
jacekowskiit shouln't00:51
noobmonk3yoc'd*00:51
jacekowskishouldn't*00:51
noobmonk3yshouldn't but could?00:51
DocScrutinizernoobmonk3y: yep00:51
noobmonk3ymakes sense!00:51
noobmonk3yish00:51
noobmonk3yas much sense as the french language (*waits for abuse)00:52
MNZFrench is le shit!00:52
noobmonk3y;)00:52
DocScrutinizermerde alors00:52
jaskaviva le merde00:52
jaska(or something)00:53
DocScrutinizervive la merde00:53
jaskaah00:53
noobmonk3yi'm gonna need a bible of information to go alongside the new healthcheck00:53
noobmonk3ymerde is female?00:53
DocScrutinizeriirc00:53
jacekowskimerde is shit in french00:53
MNZfemale shit?00:53
DocScrutinizermy french lessons in school are some 35 years ago00:53
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noobmonk3ylol00:54
jacekowskii'm going to sleep00:54
jacekowskii've been to sheffield an back today00:54
jacekowskiand had enough00:54
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DocScrutinizerI've been too shuffled00:55
MNZI'm not that familiar with dbus, so someone help me out here: how would I find out which program is sending a certain signal/message/whatever-it-is-called00:55
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DocScrutinizerif it's not mentioned in the trace, then I'm rather lost00:56
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DocScrutinizerI guess *somehow* you can get the progID from the dbus sender numeric 'anonymous' ID00:57
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MNZsignal sender=:1.92 -> dest=(null destination) serial=63 path=/org/kernel/class/input/input15; interface=org.kernel.kevent; member=remove00:57
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SpeedEvilnoobmonk3y: The temperature measury thing is deprecated hardware.00:58
SpeedEvilnoobmonk3y: It may or may not work.00:58
noobmonk3yTy SpeedEvil  :) :)00:58
MNZwhat the hell are these things? something is broadcasting the kernel's /sys/class/input stuff over dbus.... how do I find what?00:58
noobmonk3yAssuming there is no way to get it in any other form/piece of hardware?00:58
SpeedEvilWhat do you want?00:58
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noobmonk3yI'm just digging into all the hardware for Healthcheck, and pulling things i find out :)00:59
noobmonk3ytakes a loooong time cat'ing everything on the n900 :P00:59
SpeedEvilah00:59
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MohammadAGThere's a kernel module afaik00:59
MohammadAGthat shows the correct temp01:00
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MohammadAG(from the sensor next to the battery)01:00
noobmonk3yhehe, tis ok, thought that was the case, as OMAP deprecated it after that model :P - according to their website, must have just been flakey in that 101:00
MohammadAGor from the battery itself, not sure01:00
noobmonk3yMohammadAG, the battery one is flakey too01:00
MohammadAGbut it's in kernel-power, if you can get the source it can be compiled for omap101:00
MohammadAG/sys/devices/platform/omap34xx_temp/temp1_input <-- this is the battery one :P01:01
noobmonk3yMo, that is what i am reading01:01
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MohammadAGI know, but there's a kernel module which reports the correct temp01:02
noobmonk3yi think it just reads it better lol, anyway , too complicated for healthcheck01:02
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osakahello, came to ask if anyone else is having an issue with n900 not alerting on incoming SMS all the time? no vibration or sound or on-screen message, but if you open the conversation it's there01:03
osakai've noticed it only with one contact, too :/01:03
noobmonk3yosaka, specific texts? i ask, as it is possible to send a non-alert text01:03
noobmonk3y(Back in the day i had a tool to do that was quite funny) - but these days, companies can do it, even the vodafone text centre, (Text via outlook) allows you to send non-alert texts)01:04
osakasometimes it does alert from the contact's sms's but not always, and it's a girl i doubt who knows how to send a non-alert text01:04
noobmonk3yosaka, any chance she is sending it from a pc or website?01:04
osakanah, def her phone01:04
noobmonk3yjust thinking a checkbox could be out of place?01:04
noobmonk3yhmmmmm01:04
noobmonk3yin that case, no idea :|01:04
noobmonk3ysorry :(01:04
osakablergh01:05
noobmonk3yDoes sound like that is happenning though01:05
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osakai even tried closing the conversation, locking the keys and screen01:05
osakaand put the phone on my lap01:05
osakashe answered 2 minutes later and i didnt notice til 1 hour after01:05
noobmonk3ysounds very odd... just tell her she's not special no more, and move on :P01:05
osakafeels bad, man01:05
noobmonk3yNight alls - off to bed :)01:06
osakathanks anyway, night01:06
noobmonk3ynot a prob01:06
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ShadowJKThe sensor right next to the battery is accessed through twl4030 madc. I don't know any non-nokia software that does this.01:09
ShadowJKIt probably accesses the battery fuel gauge chip's internal temperature sensor instead01:09
ShadowJKI thought omap34xx_temp/temp1_input was the SOC temperature...01:10
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SpeedEvilthe /sys/class/power/*/temp* is the battery monitor chip temp01:10
ShadowJKThere's no temperature sensor inside the battery... Well, there's one in the mugen battery, but it's not supposed ot be there, so it creates all sorts of interesting issues for normal maemo system :)01:10
DocScrutinizerShadowJK: yep, me too01:10
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DocScrutinizerbattery temp is supposed to be twl4030 ADCIN001:12
ShadowJKand the mugen thermistor would be accessed through a different line on twl4030 madc from the thermistor that's in the battery bay01:12
DocScrutinizerBSI (mugen thermistor) is ADCIN401:13
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osakaanyone else have any clue about the missing sms notifications?01:14
DocScrutinizeriirc all those ADCINn are multiplexed to a single 12bit A/D converter01:15
nox-osaka, also no blue light?01:15
DocScrutinizerthere are like 8 in total01:15
osakano, nothing01:15
osakaonly hint about a new text is that it's there in the conversation01:16
nox-o_O01:16
osakano call notify or whatever installed either01:17
osakaonly app that has to do with conversations is the desktop inbox widget but that cant be it, no?01:17
nox-something to do with her phone that sends something `strange'?01:17
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osakasometimes it alerts about her sms's though01:18
osakai think01:18
nox-i never used that widget01:20
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chadiosaka: if you have the conversation with that contact open, you won't be alerted, AFAIK01:24
osakai know01:25
osakaif it's topmost01:25
osakaand i've tried closing _everything_01:25
osakaand then locking the phone01:25
osakaand still it wont alert01:25
chadioh, no idea then01:25
nox-almost sounds as if her phone is doing something `strange'...01:26
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osakahow can it be her phone01:27
nox-well i dont know the sms protocol but maybe there are things in there that could cause this01:28
nox-like some `dont alert' bit or whatever01:28
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osakameh, can't find anything on the web that'd fix it01:35
osakathanks anyway, night01:35
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MNZo/ night folks01:55
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mode14so can i install maemo on my iphone ?02:05
mode14oops02:06
mode14wrong peeps02:06
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tremnite all, sweet dreams02:28
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TermanaDesireMorning02:41
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MohammadAGhttps://garage.maemo.org/pipermail/extras-cauldron-builds/2010-September/028014.html hmm?03:16
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JaffaMohammadAG: Did you see poke about bug 2563, btw?03:21
povbotBug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2563 Please provide an attribution line for replying03:21
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MohammadAGJaffa, yes, it's already in the SSU repo, added it about a week ago :P03:23
JaffaMohammadAG: Ah, cool.03:23
MohammadAGbut I lost the metapackage, and reprepro isn't working on the server03:23
MohammadAGfixed ssh on my router today03:23
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MohammadAGhad a redirect which points any port 22 crap to my N90003:23
JaffaHeh03:23
MohammadAGso if i ssh to the maemo autobuilder I end up on my N90003:24
JaffaOops03:24
* Jaffa has 3.90.7-1 of modest, FWIW03:24
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MohammadAGJaffa, that should be the newest one....03:29
MohammadAGJaffa, send me an email with a word or two, I'll reply03:29
JaffaMohammadAG: Hmm, attribution line doesn't seem to work. Still get '------- Original message ------'03:29
JaffaMohammadAG: addr?03:29
MohammadAGgot it?03:29
MohammadAGI /notice'd it03:29
Jaffaclever03:30
MohammadAG:P03:30
JaffaSent03:30
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JaffaWas there ever an announcement about the repo, btw?03:32
MohammadAGno, as I said, GPG is failing on me03:33
JaffaNeed a hand (not now, shouldb e in bed)03:33
Jaffa?03:33
MohammadAGsure, can we check it out tomorrow?03:34
MohammadAGI'll ask lma if we have more problems03:34
MohammadAGSent a reply03:34
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MohammadAGJaffa, got the reply?03:35
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MohammadAGJaffa, if you don't have the same reply try to03:36
MohammadAGrm /var/cache/apt/archives/modest_3.90.7-1_armel.deb03:36
MohammadAGapt-get --reinstall install modest03:36
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timeless_pidginAnyone here know anyone working on pidgin?03:37
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TermanaDesireDo bird trainers qualify?03:38
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JaffaMohammadAG: Ooh, after apt-get clean, the version in /var/cache/apt/archives is different size.03:39
ALoGeNoany way to run maemo in qemu? (not meego), or any way of emulate the whole maemo?03:39
JaffaMohammadAG: Is bug 3700 patch included, btw?03:39
povbotBug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3700 Put signatures not on top in replies (thereby not forcing top-post)03:40
luke-jrALoGeNo: no03:40
ALoGeNoin the wiki i dont see clean03:40
timeless_pidginOnly if they can train this bird to leave fewer tirds and use smaller prints03:40
ALoGeNohey luke-jr ! kk ty03:40
JaffaMohammadAG: YAY! It's wonderful and working03:40
JaffaMohammadAG: I'd not've thought about the archives. Wonderful.03:40
timeless_pidginAlogeno: maemo can run in system-qemu03:40
JaffaMohammadAG: And bug 3700 is included :-)03:40
timeless_pidginJaffa: including bugs is awful. Include fixes! Not bugs!03:41
Jaffatimeless_pidgin: s/bug/patch on bug/03:41
MohammadAGLOL03:41
MohammadAGJaffa, I should've bumped version numbers when I updated the packages :)03:42
JaffaMohammadAG: Yes; yes you should ;-p03:42
* Jaffa reinstalls everything in the repo to make sure it's current03:42
timeless_pidginSo, no pidgin trainers? :-(03:44
ALoGeNotimeless_pidgin, how? you have some link or so please?03:44
timeless_pidginNope :-)03:44
ALoGeNoyou mean maemo without X no?03:44
ALoGeNosomething like meego?03:45
timeless_pidginRoughly, qemu w/o system-qemu doesn't handle threads well. So graphical applications that need threads and useful debuging need system-qemu03:45
ALoGeNowith meego qemu image you cant don nothing.. keyb dont work mouse dont work.. not x..03:46
timeless_pidginmaemo.org/community/maemo-developers/read/d6eca3a26a6911df9735417902e5b02db02d/03:46
ALoGeNooky doky timeless_pidgin  :) you are so kind03:46
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timeless_pidginwww.lmgtfy.com/?q=system+qemu+maemo03:47
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TermanaDesireNo bird trainers that can do that :p. Have you tried the official channel for pidgin, if they have one timeless_pidgin?03:48
timeless_pidginYou've spent your one free question03:48
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MohammadAGJaffa, the new hildon-desktop needs to have /usr/share/hildon-desktop/transitions.ini edited if you want the scrolling fix, I'll make it default to 0.9903:48
timeless_pidginNope, i suppose i could...03:48
TermanaDesireIf they know someone working on pidgin*03:49
* timeless_pidgin hops along03:49
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ALoGeNowow timeless_pidgin , sometimes the correct key words in google does miracles.. tnx03:50
timeless_pidginAlogeno : i tried giving them to you a couple of times...03:52
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ALoGeNothank you very much timeless_pidgin  :)03:57
MohammadAGbah03:58
MohammadAGFirefox had a problem and crashed. We'll try to restore your tabs and windows when it restarts.03:58
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sandstorm|mobilehey, I cant see userlist on xchat what might be the problem?04:11
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timeless_pidginRe firefox, load about:crashes04:12
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timeless_pidginNote to self: shoot opera for being stupid04:49
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SpeedEvilI wish pidgin was a little less retarded.04:58
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wmaronebut then it wouldn't be pidgin05:00
SpeedEvilMy major objection is with either pidgin, or some unnamed contributor to the linux 2.4 kernel.05:02
SpeedEvilIn 2.4 times, you could do sockdown() on a network descriptor in /proc/nnn/fd/05:02
SpeedEvilEven if it was not your own.05:02
SpeedEvilThis let you tear down connections without waiting for the stack to timeout, f you knew rthe connection had gone away.05:03
SpeedEvilBut with pidgin - you have to disable and then reenable the account to do that.05:03
SpeedEvilIn practice, I kill and restart it.05:03
SpeedEvilI should setup a bouncer.05:03
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timeless_pidginHeh05:21
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timeless_pidginI finally was told how to hide the useless formating bar in pidgin05:22
SpeedEviltimeless: I find it useful to have the tab bar down the right-hand-side. Oh - and you can make channel name aliases for the tab bar.05:22
SpeedEvilI have tabs OSM HOS MD ...05:23
SpeedEvilright click on a chat in the buddy list, and set an alias05:23
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timeless_pidginHow do i get tabbar on right?05:24
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SpeedEvilbuddy window - tools ->preferences->interface -> tabs05:27
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timeless_pidginHow do i get the buddy window?05:30
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SpeedEvilwhat version is thsi?05:32
timeless_pidginOops browser crashed05:32
timeless_pidginDunno, version me?05:32
timeless_pidginI had a buddy window.  I lost it.05:33
timeless_pidginI can't find it anymore05:33
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timeless_pidginii  pidgin             2.7.3-0nix205:34
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SpeedEvilah - I'm on 2.5.905:34
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timeless_pidginErr05:37
timeless_pidginHow do i *not* see the tabbar when i don't need it?05:37
timeless_pidginAnd how do i open the buddy window w/o quiting?05:37
SpeedEvilUnsure.05:38
SpeedEvilI always have it visible05:38
SpeedEvilIs this on maemo?05:38
timeless_pidginYup05:38
SpeedEvilah - right - it'll have been wierdised.05:38
timeless_pidginDoes anything else exist?05:38
SpeedEvilI can't run maeo on my laptop.05:39
timeless_pidginWhy not?05:39
SpeedEvilnative05:39
timeless_pidginmer exists in iso form05:39
lcukSpeedEvil, all hildon is open05:39
SpeedEvilThat is not maemo.05:39
lcukthere might be a few apps missing05:39
lcukbut they can be filled up from extras05:40
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SpeedEvilI'm sorry - if vital apps such as 'Blocks' cannot be there, I'm not using it.05:40
SpeedEvil:)05:40
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timeless_pidginDefine "cannot"05:42
timeless_pidginI had blocks and friends on my x86 mer05:42
timeless_pidgin... I used a nokia internal repo...05:42
timeless_pidgin;-)05:42
SpeedEviltorrent?05:43
SpeedEvil:)05:43
timeless_pidginFwiw, iiuc, blocks was a third party app that nokia kinda imported05:43
SpeedEvilyeah.05:43
timeless_pidginNo :-b05:44
SpeedEvilAlong with the bugs.05:44
timeless_pidginAyup05:44
timeless_pidginThat part sucked05:44
timeless_pidgingame over. You loose (slut)05:44
SpeedEvilhttps://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9826 I was thinking of.05:44
povbotBug 9826: Blocks collision detection bug05:44
timeless_pidginNice05:47
Robot101timeless_pidgin: not that 3rd - I thought it was nokia bangalore?05:48
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timeless_pidginHrm, i thought it was brazil05:53
timeless_pidginIndt05:53
timeless_pidginI could be wrong05:53
timeless_pidginI didn't think nokia bangalore was involved in maemo until more recently...05:54
timeless_pidginIf at all...05:54
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ALoGeNohey guys i need the SDK to run madde?08:04
ALoGeNotoolchain or so?08:04
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sobczykALoGeNo: no08:44
sobczykjust the qt creator08:46
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jacktherippersince there's no more save/load state in psx4all (WHY?), is there at least some option to pause rendering ?09:50
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jaemHow do I kill matchbox on Diablo and keep it dead?  It keeps respawning?10:40
jaemThat last sentence wasn't a question. :S10:40
johnxreplace it with something a script named matchbox that starts and just sleeps forever?10:41
johnxs/something//10:41
infobotjohnx meant: replace it with  a script named matchbox that starts and just sleeps forever?10:41
jaemjohnx: Sure, but I'm wondering what makes it respawn in the first place.  matchbox-remote -exit does not work.10:42
MNZjaem, probably init scripts. not sure about Diablo, but if it uses upstart then probably 'stop matchbox'10:42
johnxprobably watched by the watchdog?10:42
jaemMNZ: It might be init scripts, but it doesn't use upstart, IIRC10:42
jaemjohnx: Which watchdog?10:42
TermanaDesireI don't think Diablo used upstart10:42
johnxjaem, that's left as an exercise to the reader (aka, I don't know)10:43
jaemjohnx: Heh... fair enough10:43
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DocScrutinizerhmm12:05
n900_userhello good evening everyone. I'm not sure what is wrong with my n900, but I don't seem to have an /apps/osso/hildon-home folder..why could that be? I'm on or should be on PR 1.212:05
johnxI don't have that either. are you sure that's the exact path?12:06
DocScrutinizergrep -r matchbox /etc -- should help but he's gone it seems12:06
n900_useris that something I install or is that something that should be already on my n900 because of PR 1.2? Is it possible that I did not completely reset my n900 back to factory before I upgraded to 1.2?12:06
johnxwhy do you think you need that directory?12:06
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n900_userjohnx: if you look at this     http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=62091&page=8   they are talking about running those commands to resize the icons12:07
n900_useri for some reason don't have that command...and i'm wondering what the problem could be.12:07
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timophthose gconf things are not paths in filesystem12:10
johnxn900_user, if you don't know what a command does, you should read up on it12:10
johnxgconftool is well documented12:10
n900_userjohnx: i know what the command does, but the problem is that I don't have those paths on my n900. I just don't know if I did something wrong when I reset it months ago when PR 1.2 came out or not. I'd hate to having to wipe again to factory default because I've already got so much on my phone right now.12:11
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n900_usertimoph: so my phone is completely normal if I don't have those things? because I do not see a single folder starting with   /apps/12:12
jpinxI can't find a config file for sshd in the n900's maemo - does it not exist and can I create one and if so, where and what to call it?12:12
timophn900_user: yes12:12
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johnxn900_user, you don't know what the command does if you think those are paths on your filesystem12:13
johnxjpinx, it's in /etc/ssh and it's called sshd_config12:14
jpinxjohnx: I was able to ls that, but when I went to cat it it says no such file12:14
johnxare you root?12:15
DocScrutinizerjaem: (away): $AF_INIT_DIR/matchbox.sh  -> #!/bin/sh # Matchbox window manager startup/shutdown script12:15
jpinxyep ;)12:15
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johnxjpinx, run cat /etc/ssh/sshd_config12:16
jpinxhang on - there's 2 - one is ssh_config and he other is shd_config12:16
jpinxso which one do I play with to get X-forwarding to work?12:17
alteregosshd like he said12:17
johnxjpinx, you should play with whatever file you're told to edit in the howto you're following ;)12:18
jpinxjohnx: :)12:18
jpinxjohnx: I actually want to forward X froma  chroot - no howto's for that ;)12:19
johnxjpinx, are you running a separate x server in the chroot?12:19
jpinxjohnx: yes12:19
johnxand things run in the chroot connect to it normally?12:20
jpinxjohnx: I've only been doing cl stuff up till now12:20
jpinxthis instance of irssi is running int the chroot on the n900 and contrrolled from my eeepc ;)12:21
jpinxssh over usb, with the eeepc wifi doing the gateway12:21
johnxyou know irssi is available in extras or extras-devel/testing, right?12:21
jpinxjohnx: yea - I installed it in maemo too, but i am spending all my time in the chroot now and wanted to get maybe links2 -g to work over ssh12:22
jpinxI started with the standard chroot supplied by maemo and then went on to modify it a bit12:23
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psycho_oreosn900_user, those directories that you can't see are virtual hives, they don't exist on the real filesystem12:24
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n900_userpsycho_oreos: thanks for checking up on that. i just wonder why all those people then say that they can successfully use those commands in order to resize their icons/shortcuts12:25
johnxjpinx, yup. what you're tring to do isn't actually that simple. I would draw out a network diagram for yourself including maemo and the debian chroot as separate machines, then try and follow a howto and substitute in the right things for your setup12:25
psycho_oreosthink of it as like registry entries under windows12:25
DocScrutinizerjaem: $LAUNCHWRAPPER_NICE_TRYRESTART start "$SVC" $PROG  --  does what it says: tryrestart, it uses DSME afaik12:25
jpinxjohnx: you're right - I have paper sketches of it all over the table here - to try and make sure I don't miss a "link"'12:26
psycho_oreosn900_user, its a good idea to read the thread from the beginning, there's a script which would automate getting the stuff that is maybe required for it to work including matan's modified hildon-home12:26
johnx(or if you read the manpage for gconftool you'd know what it actually does ... )12:27
johnxn900_user, ^12:27
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psycho_oreosI don't think the manpage would be easily available on the n900 itself :) there's a script or something that goes around truncating manpages to save space12:28
johnxit is available on google though12:28
psycho_oreosor scratchbox env :)12:28
johnxif you type: man gconftool into google, the first hit is the manpage for gconftool12:29
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DocScrutinizerpsycho_oreos: apt-cache search mandb12:31
DocScrutinizerpsycho_oreos: my manpages are very easily available n N90012:31
johnxwow. will that do the right thing and un-truncate existing pages, then optify the result?12:32
* MohammadAG51 just woke up12:32
MohammadAG51existing pages are poof, gone12:32
MohammadAG51although i started a package which does that, i realized it might cause failed installations12:33
MohammadAG51plus it's too cumbersome, you have to reinstall all packages on the system12:33
johnxwell, you could make a 'man' command that reinstallls the package that owns the manpage, then displays it :D12:34
MohammadAG51right now it has man-db-pages12:35
MohammadAG51those contain pages for most commands you'll want to man anyways12:35
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johnxbut not the pages for the busybox versions, right?12:37
MohammadAG51probably not12:37
MohammadAG51i.e tar is gtar12:37
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* MohammadAG51 doesn't use busybox12:37
johnxah, it hasn't quite pissed me off enough to stop using it yet12:38
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johnxmmm. I <3 deals.woot.com. ninja grappling hook: $17.3612:40
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JaffaMorning, all12:53
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DocScrutinizergrr12:53
JaffaMohammadAG51: Need a hand with GPG?12:53
DocScrutinizermoo mo12:53
DocScrutinizerscrew messybox, manpages fr useless cruft are useless anyway12:53
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johnxDocScrutinizer, thank you for you for your valuable opinion. however, if you want to write any script that you plan to distribute you do actually need to know busybox12:55
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stef_204hi, new to n900. i just added http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel for extra devel mirror but getting error 404.  Is there another url for it?12:57
DocScrutinizerjohnx: that's kinda sadly correct12:58
johnxstef_204, that part seems right12:59
johnxit might be the 'components' field that you mistyped though12:59
johnxor the other one ...12:59
johnxlet me see what mine says, one sec12:59
stef_204ok, i used this--on bottom of page http://nokia-n900.com/office-viewer-for-nokia-n900/12:59
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stef_204http://www.mobiledownloadblog.com/2010/01/download-freoffice-maemo-application.htm13:00
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stef_204I meant that one ^^13:00
DocScrutinizerjohnx: but actually script writers of initscripts should even better have known about the *differences* between messybox and a decent shell plus coreutils, to avoid breaking init when messybox is replaced by a more sane setup13:00
stef_204Distribution: freemantle13:00
stef_204Components: free13:00
johnxDocScrutinizer, which is often *why* I need to know busybox, so I can avoid breaking maemo or on "better" shells13:01
johnxstef_204, misspelled fremantle ;)13:01
stef_204Distrib perhaps is wrong?  I see there is also freemantle 1.2 and 1.313:01
stef_204johnx: yikes ;)13:01
johnx:)13:01
johnxalso, am I like the last one who noticed a 1.3 in the extras repo? does that mean anything or ... ?13:02
DocScrutinizerjohnx: I'm afraid the really nasty busyboxisms aren't even mentioned in busybox manpages - if there even is such a thing13:02
stef_204lemme correct that.  what's teh deal with using fremantle instead of fremantle-1.2 or fremantle-1.3 ?13:02
johnxDocScrutinizer, there is. on their website. haven't found a discrepancy yet, but obviously YMMV13:02
DocScrutinizerjohnx: nope, for now that 1.3 is just a link to prepare for a bright future :-)13:03
johnxstef_204, if I had to guess, I'd bet that fremantle just pointed to whatever the 'current' release was13:03
stef_204johnx: ok13:03
johnxfremantle-1.2 should be safe too I suppose13:03
stef_204ok thanks.13:03
stef_204anyone here running openoffice applications on n900?13:04
johnxspeaking for myself, I'm not a masochist13:04
stef_204johnx: me neither, which is whay I am trying to get some feedback13:05
stef_204;)13:05
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jpinxeven *I* don't do that :)13:05
johnxmy experience is that it's pretty glacial on even modern notebook/desktop hardware13:06
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stef_204johnx: ?? I run openoffice on my laptop (linux mandriva) and no problems--perhaps I didn't understand your last comment13:07
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johnxdunno. it just seems pretty heavy and slow even on a machine with 1GB of RAM13:07
jpinxstef_204: are you in a  chroot?13:08
jpinxOOo is for *big* desktops ;)13:08
stef_204jpinx: no, haven't gotten there yet13:08
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jpinxrunning stuff like OOo and gimp onthe n900 is just - well, I won't13:09
stef_204I have 2 GB's RAM on laptop and owrks fine.  Compatibility with formatting with MS Office is not that great though, e.g. PowerPoint presentation formatting gets a bit screwed up and that's annoying13:09
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stef_204but how can I complain when it's free.....? ;)13:09
jacekowskiyeah, quality/price is a lot better than everything else13:10
stef_204jacekowski: yep13:10
jacekowskibut quality itself is just poor13:10
jacekowskibut well, you get what you've paid for13:10
stef_204jacekowski: that's a bit harsh, IMHO13:10
jacekowskiwell, i remember staroffice13:11
stef_204what do oyu guys recomment for MS Office documents (that is free) for the n900? FreOffice?13:11
jacekowskifrom sun13:11
jacekowskiand then opensource version of it openoffice13:11
jacekowskiand i don't think it was improved a lot since when it was opensourced by sun13:11
johnxjacekowski, well, we can be sure the period at sun will look like a high point compared to oracle ...13:12
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stef_204I keep having to reboot into Windows from Linux when I have to do some serious editing on a Client PowerPoint where a few of us are working on same presentation13:12
psycho_oreosyou could run windows in virtual machines env13:13
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jacekowskiwhat's the point13:13
jacekowskiif you can run native windows faster13:13
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stef_204psycho_oreos: I'd love to but I am not sure I have the space on my HDD.  would mean I wd have to can the actual Windows install and use the freed-up space for the VM13:14
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stef_204I tried to VMware Windows converter once and didn't work out that great--super slow but must have been becasue I was running VM on a network drive13:15
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psycho_oreosthe point is that you won't need to reboot/dual boot if you have windows under virtualised environment, and the performance is quite minimal unless you're doing multitasking under both OS :p13:15
DocScrutinizermoo jacekowski13:15
jacekowskiboo13:15
jacekowskiDocScrutinizer: that charging13:15
psycho_oreosstef_204, hard drives aren't expensive these days lol13:16
jacekowskiDocScrutinizer: it's using very safe values13:16
stef_204psycho_oreos: I know and I agree, but canning my actual windows install is a big step since I use high end applications that only run on windows so not sure I have the mettle to mess with that and be stuck....we'll see13:17
DocScrutinizereh? which one now? bme? hw default? jrbme scripts?13:17
jacekowskinolo13:17
DocScrutinizernolo!!13:17
DocScrutinizer:-P13:17
jacekowskiso it looks like nolo was supposed to be able to charge dead phone to level when it's bootable13:17
DocScrutinizeryeah, engineers are conservative, or dead :-P13:17
jacekowskii mean, fully bootable13:17
jacekowskibut something went wrong13:18
DocScrutinizerohh?13:18
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psycho_oreosstef_204, I didn't say you have to can windows completely you can convert that windows install into virtualised environment to save you from installing windows and configurating it all again13:18
DocScrutinizerdid tests yesterday, everything went fine13:18
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DocScrutinizerhw recovery charge til 3.0, nolo charge til 3.3, then normal act_dead13:19
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jacekowskiis 3.3V enough to boot a phone?13:19
DocScrutinizerdid this like 4 times in a row (discharging cell was the most pain)13:19
stef_204psycho_oreos: that's what I had done before except wasn't a good experience because, since I had no space available on my HDD for the VM, I stuck it into a network drive and tried to run the converted install from there.  To say it was slow is the understatement of the year13:19
MohammadAG51Jaffa, just a bit, doing some physics hw13:20
DocScrutinizerjacekowski: given NOLO is software running on the phone, it seems 3.0 is enough to start up the hw13:20
jacekowskiwell, but charging is stopped13:20
DocScrutinizerwho's doing that??13:21
jacekowskibme13:21
DocScrutinizerhere nobody stopped charging13:21
jacekowskibme stops charging on startup13:21
psycho_oreosstef_204, which comes back to the point of actually buying portable hard disks.. you'll only need it to migrate windows into virtualised environment, once you're satisfied, you can get rid of the proper windows install and run windows from virtualisation.. either that or upgrade your network setup, it sounds like you are still using something like 100Mbit connection :)13:21
jacekowskichecks usb connector13:21
DocScrutinizerexcept NOLO when un 'u' mode13:21
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jacekowskiand then starts charging again13:21
DocScrutinizerthat may be correct13:21
jacekowskiso you have couple ms13:21
DocScrutinizeryup13:22
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jacekowskiwhich could be enough to make phone shutdown13:22
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DocScrutinizer...which might be enough to tear down system on a crappy weak cell13:22
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johnxpsycho_oreos, heh. I was until a couple months ago :P13:22
johnxnot everyone has a huge hardware budget just becase they have an N900 ...13:23
psycho_oreosjohnx, doesn't mean you have to be, just need to think outside the box for a moment or two :)13:23
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stef_204psycho_oreos: I guess you are right theoretically--it's when I go to practical or implementation phase that things get bogged down--which is my fault as I haven't set aside enouth time to really do a good job on that whole conversion13:23
DocScrutinizerjacekowski: obviously a cell with a Z to cause a voltage drop of 0.3+ on maybe 500mA is to be considered dead13:24
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psycho_oreosstef_204, its just a thought, rather than having to dualboot, which creates some small downtime and a little inconvenience13:24
psycho_oreosjohnx, speaking of which I'm still using the age old 10/100Mbit switch, so I'm not that rich either :p13:24
stef_204psycho_oreos: absolutely, I totally agree. and I have wanted to do it for quite some time.  But I got cold feet when the converted windows ran so slowly and didn't explore further for lack of time13:25
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jacekowskiDocScrutinizer: well, i was using bench power supply to run my phone13:25
jacekowskiDocScrutinizer: and it required well over 1A13:25
DocScrutinizerjacekowski: also you battery contacts etc have to be good condition (clean, low Z)13:25
jacekowskiyeah, but that's gold plated13:26
DocScrutinizerWUT???13:26
DocScrutinizerover 1000mA???13:26
jacekowskiyep13:26
jacekowskion boot13:26
DocScrutinizerFFS!!13:26
DocScrutinizerwhat the hell is going on there?13:26
jacekowskirapuyama starts on full speed13:26
jacekowskiomap starts13:26
jacekowskiwith everything running on full speed13:27
DocScrutinizerduring transition from NOLO to act_dead?13:27
jacekowskibacklight on full brightness13:27
jacekowskino, dead -> nolo13:27
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psycho_oreosstef_204, it sorta pays to have a nice working setup where possible, but look whos talking, I don't have my windows machine for gaming and its sitting right next to me with no OS, with no proper SATA cable, etc :)13:27
DocScrutinizerthat's really bad13:27
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stef_204psycho_oreos: yeah, aren't we all the same.... :)13:27
DocScrutinizeresp since there seems to be little to no hysteresis in twl4030 VDD_ok detection13:28
jacekowskithat could explain some reboot loops13:28
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psycho_oreosstef_204, heh, the dilemma which I guess most or all of us share :) too little time too much projects floating around13:28
DocScrutinizerjacekowski: but "backlight full brightness" on NOLO start??13:28
jacekowskiyeah, i'm not sure about that13:29
johnxpsycho_oreos, then we end up on IRC, using up the little time we have. heh :)13:29
jacekowskibut that's probably default13:29
DocScrutinizerI am. there is no backlight with NOLO13:29
stef_204jacekowski: obsolutely13:29
jacekowskiat least it looks like it boots on full brightness13:29
stef_204*absolutely ;)13:29
jacekowskitry to switch it off and on13:29
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sivanghi all13:29
sivangIs the radio part of the media player in Maemo open source?13:29
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psycho_oreosjohnx, I consider IRC as a way to make us look more sociable and a way to get out of project hell hole that spins around and round :)13:30
DocScrutinizerjacekowski: system boot or hw boot13:30
DocScrutinizer?13:30
jacekowskihw boot13:30
sivangI want to create an interenet radio app13:30
DocScrutinizerwe need to define a few more clear terms, it seems13:30
sivangfor only for internet radio, nothing else.13:30
DocScrutinizerhw boot does NOT enable backlight13:30
johnxpsycho_oreos, I consider it the thing I mean to look at only while waiting for file transfers and stuff that has to do with my actual project13:31
DocScrutinizeryou get "NOLO" on a unlit screen, and charging starts (yellow flashing)13:31
johnxthen i end up forgetting about that stuff and suddenly it's 3:30AM13:31
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psycho_oreosheh its always the case :)13:31
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DocScrutinizerIRC has eaten my days and spoiled my life :-P13:32
jacekowskihmm13:33
jacekowskiwhen was charger connected?13:33
jacekowskiok, dead phone with no battery13:33
DocScrutinizerjacekowski: ??13:34
jacekowskiok, now pull out a battery13:34
jacekowskiand put it back in13:34
jacekowskipress power on button13:34
jacekowskilcd comes on with NOKIA logo and lcd on full brightness13:35
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DocScrutinizerthat's already system boot13:35
DocScrutinizeron <3.3 it's supposed to shut down in less than 5s13:35
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DocScrutinizertriggered by bme13:36
DocScrutinizerwithout bme it shuts down hard on 3.013:36
Stskeepspower on button != system13:36
jacekowskihmm, take a look at13:36
jacekowskihttp://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Hacking/serial_dump13:36
jacekowski[   0.333]   Über-cool backlight fade-in took 9 ms13:36
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DocScrutinizerjacekowski: that's actually weird13:37
DocScrutinizerI don't see backlite on NOLO running13:37
vanadismobilehai13:37
jacekowskihmm, different hw version13:37
jacekowskidifferent lcd?13:37
DocScrutinizermaybe NOLO does this just before loading system kernel13:38
sivangDocScrutinizer: 3.3?13:38
vanadismobileis it possible to put a file on the desktop like a shortcut?13:38
jacekowskithere are at least 4 lcd types that nolo supports13:38
alteregochrist, for a 10Mbit connection this is going damn slow.13:38
DocScrutinizersivang: 42?13:38
sivangDocScrutinizer: :)13:38
jacekowskido you have same lcd as i do@?13:38
kontiohi maemo testers, new version of querymee is in extras testing, please start testing and if OK vote: http://bit.ly/cxreVB13:38
DocScrutinizerjacekowski: I bet I do13:38
DocScrutinizerjacekowski: also the type of LCD is largely irrelevant, as it is at very end of control chain13:39
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jacekowskiwell, it may be just defaults of lcd that decide on backlight status13:39
jacekowskias nolo may be not touching it at all13:39
jacekowskibut then, why is that message on console13:39
DocScrutinizerno idea13:40
DocScrutinizeras said above it may be a function of NOLO done the very moment it loads kernel13:40
sivangDocScrutinizer: you said something about 3.0 and 3.3, what were these?13:40
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jacekowskidmesg | grep LCD13:40
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DocScrutinizersivang: 3.0V is hw bootup threshold. 3.3V is NOLO boot system threshold13:41
jacekowskiDocScrutinizer: what does it say on yours?13:41
jacekowskiacx565akm13:41
jacekowski?13:41
sivangDocScrutinizer: good to know13:41
DocScrutinizerand also 3.3V seems bme gracefull system shutdown, while 3.0 is hw brute force shutdown13:41
sivangso no fs flushout?13:42
sivangwith 3>13:42
DocScrutinizeron hw shutdown? dunno13:42
Stskeepsvery brute shutdown13:42
DocScrutinizerI'd think twl4030 still signals kernel about pending hard shutdown in 5s or sth13:43
* sivang tries to install acceleromymote13:43
sivangor wahtever its spelled :)13:43
jacekowskiall shutdowns go trough mce13:43
jacekowskihjmm, not mce13:43
jacekowskithat other thing13:43
DocScrutinizerdsme?13:43
jacekowskiyes13:43
DocScrutinizeryup13:43
jacekowskiand start timer13:43
DocScrutinizerexcept maybe hw 3.0 shutdown13:44
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jacekowskiwell, bme should signal shutdown before that13:44
jacekowskiso it should never get to 3V shutdown13:44
DocScrutinizertwl4030 rises an IRQ, then shuts down hw. I guess. The IRQ "IRQ_PWRFAULT" should cause kernel to immediately stop sheduling (freeze all processes), do a sync, and prepare for doom13:45
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DocScrutinizerjacekowski: yes, exactly. bme *does* shutdown of system 0b 3.313:46
DocScrutinizers/0b/on13:46
jacekowskibtw. i was thinking about external battery charger13:47
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jacekowskilike 4x1.5V battery13:47
jacekowskido you know if anybody tried 6V on that port13:47
DocScrutinizerbut you can stop bme, or repeatedly poweron system, which will run with backlight and all for some few seconds each time, or keep nolo in 'u', and you'll reach 3.0 hard shutdown13:48
DocScrutinizerjacekowski: (6V) no idea13:48
jacekowskibq24150 can do 25V13:48
DocScrutinizerno, it can *survive* 25V13:48
jacekowskiyeah, i would expect it to operate at 6V13:49
DocScrutinizerthough there's more than just bq24150 on VBUS13:49
jacekowskii'm not sure about melting other stuff that's connected to vbus13:49
alteregoStrange, look s like my dads vista machine blocks ssh out :/13:49
jacekowski http://kyon.pl/img/17085,cat,dog,strip,comparison,.html13:50
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DocScrutinizerjacekowski: :-D13:51
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DocScrutinizerjacekowski: well, 6V might be OK (don't quote me on that)13:59
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DocScrutinizerbut odds are bq24150 will rise an error flag, and bme is stopping charging. I'd at very least use a LD-regulator to 5V14:01
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DocScrutinizerconsideing voltage of one primary cell might be from 1.2 to 1.6, a booster and just 2 or 3 cells might serve much better anyway14:03
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DocScrutinizerthis concept is commonly known as mintybox charger14:03
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koffeekanhello all14:04
DocScrutinizerjacekowski: CA-146C dongle is a convenient booster and OV protector14:05
koffeekananyone awake?14:05
DocScrutinizerno14:05
koffeekanohai14:05
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koffeekani have a question about my n770 and gpecalendar on os2007he14:06
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koffeekanall i want is a calendar to keep track of my appts on the n770 but these dependencies are driving me nutz14:07
DocScrutinizer~ask14:07
infobotQuestions in the channel should be specific, informative, complete, concise, and on-topic.  Don't ask if you can ask a question first.  Don't ask if a person is there; just ask what you intended to ask them.  Better questions more frequently yield better answers.  We are all here voluntarily or against our will.14:07
koffeekanlol14:07
koffeekanos2007he has older versions of libsoup, libc6 etc.  is it possible to update these easily?  or is there another calendar app?14:08
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koffeekanalternatively, is there a sound fix available for 2008he that actually works for the n770?  also is it worth it to do the 48mhz speed bump and install to mmc?14:12
DocScrutinizerit's 770, the N came with N80014:13
koffeekan:/14:14
DocScrutinizerseems few users have working 770 nowadays14:14
koffeekanwell crap14:14
koffeekani was given this by one of my friends for help with an art installation, was nib sealed14:15
alteregogod damnit this download is taking forever.14:15
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koffeekanwelp i guess i will be using my ipod touch instead14:17
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DocScrutinizerkoffeekan: anyway you'll have to linger on here for a day or two, to meet someone who can answer your questions regarding 77014:18
koffeekanok14:19
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alteregoI've got a working 7u014:21
alterego770 ..14:21
alteregoThough it sits in a drawer doing nothing :)14:21
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koffeekanlol14:21
koffeekani just want a calendar so i could use it for an organiser14:22
alteregoRight next to the N800 and the N81014:22
knightstalkerHello,I wanted to know if I can install macchanger on my Maemo(to change mac),or is there any other ways?14:22
alteregokoffeekan: google calendar? :)14:22
koffeekanand os2008he is too unstable, 2007he is a sweetspot14:22
alteregokoffeekan: agreed,14:22
alteregoI'm still quite suprised a 10Mbit connection is getting worse than 2Mbit speeds ..14:23
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koffeekangod i just wish i could get gpe working14:23
koffeekanits so slick14:23
alteregoIf I knew it was going to be this slow I would have just done it at my home ..14:23
alteregoI also feel slightly dirty download Windows 7 Ultimate ..14:24
alterego+/download/downloading14:24
dnearyHi14:24
dnearyJaffa, w00t: about?14:25
alteregoDo we have the source to the connection manager status bar applet?14:26
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Jaffadneary: pong14:27
Stskeepsw00t's still travelling to my knowledge14:27
dnearyJaffa, I feel terrible14:27
Jaffadneary: w00t is on a flight, AFAICT14:27
* alterego gives dneary a hug14:27
DocScrutinizerlo dneary14:28
dnearyHi all14:28
dnearyalterego, Thanks14:28
dnearyJaffa, Anyway, you saw my email last night, I see14:29
alterego:)14:29
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Jaffadneary: Yup; apparently the council are in deliberations.14:29
Stskeepsmeh, what's an election without scandals14:29
Stskeeps:P14:29
Jaffazactly14:30
alteregohahah14:30
dnearyJaffa, Basically, I said "Oh, that's really serious, you'll have to be thrown out of the election. More comments below." And then below there was "Only kidding, thius seems like a minor omission. Here's what I suggest you do..."14:30
DocScrutinizerscandals?14:30
dnearyJaffa, So, uhm, victim of my own sense of humour.14:30
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koffeekanho-ly shit14:31
koffeekani switched repository for maemo extras to bora and the install worked14:32
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koffeekanit was on chinook >.<14:32
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DocScrutinizer:-D14:33
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koffeekanoh man i am a hurf mcdurf tonight14:34
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defraggerwhere are the repositories in maemo saved? my /etc/apt/sources.list is empty14:35
Jaffadneary: heh14:37
koffeekananyone know of a good theme for 0s2007he on 770?14:37
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RST38h<yawn>14:54
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knightstalkerHello,I wanted to know if I can install macchanger on my Maemo(to change mac),or is there any other ways?14:55
tank-mansounds evil :)14:55
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defraggerwhat package contains sdl-config?14:56
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knightstalkertank-man?14:56
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tank-manknightstalker, not many legit reasons to change mac address14:57
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knightstalkertank-man,I assume auditing security/security tests are legal14:58
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tank-mani havent done it but it is possible from the forum topics ive seen14:59
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knightstalkerOkay,I'll search Soon! :P15:00
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MohammadAGdoes anyone have a link to the guy who replaced the N900's port with a mini USB one?15:01
MohammadAGJaffa back :)15:01
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JaffaMohammadAG: 'lo. Just about to eat :)15:03
SpeedEvilwhy not replace it with the right part?15:03
MohammadAGJaffa heh, kk15:03
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famicomHi, i got my n900 running meamo 5 3 days ago15:13
famicomI love it, but i wanna know a little bit more before i start pulling apart the meamo platform15:13
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famicomCan i seperate my personal/professional workflows15:14
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famicomright now, i have personal and business conversations in SMS/IM mixed with eachother15:15
famicomalso, on my HTC Touch Pro 2, there was this syncing service "Microsoft MyPhone" which allowed me to sync notes, sms messages, phonenumbers, photos, media, etc etc over HDSPA/G3 to a remote webservice15:16
famicomis something similar possible with the Meamo platform15:16
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sandstormis there any good compilation of N900 tweaks in terms of performance and battery life on a single thread or site? thanks for help.15:22
sandstorman upto date if available.15:23
dnearysandstorm, There's a wiki page15:23
dnearyBut honestly the advice there isn't great15:23
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SpeedEvilhttp://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Power_Consumption http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Software_Power_management15:23
dnearyBut I'm not really able to improve on it15:24
SpeedEvilIt's not user friendly though.15:24
SpeedEvilI need to polish it and get it nice, but life is getting in the way15:24
SpeedEvilBasically.15:24
MohammadAGQt Creator is a bit hard to use15:24
SpeedEvilDon't use screen at max brightness unless you can avoid it. Don't use anything that polls over 3G, don't use skype ever.15:25
jpinxSpeedEvil: I'll drink to that - skype EATS battery and bandwidth15:25
sandstormhmm15:25
kerioomnomnomnom15:26
sandstormI didnt even enabled 3g from my gsm provider15:26
sandstormI knew it drains battery much15:26
kerionah, any kind of active data connection does that15:26
sandstormits automatically on 2.5g, do you suggest me to enforce it to 2g ?15:26
sandstormif there is no active data flow, 3g is harmless ?15:27
sandstorminstead of telecomunnications data packets of course.15:27
kerioan active, idle 3g connection is hardly measurable15:27
sandstormlets assume I talk to my friend 10 minutes, will there be difference in battery drainage between 2g and 3g ?15:28
jpinxsandstorm: not sure about "idle" in 3g, but these connections are always pinging and generally keeping themselves alive, so there will always be usage15:28
sandstormthat's what I was thinking as well15:28
sandstormso that if I dont need 3g why to enable it.15:28
sandstormI only use internet via wifi15:29
sandstormbut what about 2.5g and 2g15:29
jpinxsandstorm: all the connections use a lot of power - wifi too15:29
famicomhere's something i find interesting15:29
keriojpinx: nah, idle connection (with no data) are really low on battery usage15:29
sandstormI wonder if I should enforce 2g with the network switcher application15:29
sandstormI know but I cant avoid wifi at some point15:30
sandstormI dont use it constantly though15:30
famicomon my touch pro 2 running windows mobile 6.5, i could use mobile internet and mobile IM all day long and the battery would be fine15:30
famicomwith the n900 it's drained before i even get back from whatever it is i'm doing outside15:30
* jpinx wonders why someone would want a mobile to be *alwys* online15:30
famicomjpinx work15:30
Corsacor just have a jabber connection always on15:31
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famicomthat too15:31
sandstormno ideas on 2.5g and 2g ?15:31
famicomjpinx is there a way to kill off connections15:32
sandstormother question is, if I disable some of the 4 desktops, would it make a significant sense in terms of battery?15:32
famicomi mean, even if i adjust my own usage behavior, it would be nice if i can get apps acting rude eating power to play nice15:32
jpinxfamicom: sure15:33
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jpinxsandstorm: use the switch to put the screen off, don't wait for the timeout15:33
sandstormI didnt mean that15:33
jpinxturn the volume down15:34
sandstormas default we get 4 desktops on hildon15:34
sandstormI only use 3 or 2 of them15:34
jpinxwe do?15:34
sandstormI do at least15:34
jpinxI have never bothered with those15:34
famicomugh, using applications written by others at times is like having to take care of another parent's kid, "I don't care what your parent allows you to do, in my house (computer) you follow my rules!"15:34
jpinxwho's hildon?15:34
famicomit's an app15:34
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famicomwell not an app15:34
famicombut a collection of apps for a desktop environment15:35
sandstormthe original hildon15:35
sandstormnot mohammad's15:35
famicompeace be upon him15:35
jpinxtbh there's too much "dressing" and not enough functionality for my taste15:36
jpinxthere isn't even a decent calendar15:36
famicomwrite one15:36
famicomthe platform is completely open, if you don't like something, fix it15:36
jpinxI have better things to do ;) so I install a chroot and install what I *really* need there ;)15:37
famicomthere we go :)15:37
sandstormwhat is missing in calendar at your point of view?15:38
Jartzanot everybody can fix things15:38
jpinxsandstorm: try scrolling one week at a time15:38
SpeedEvilsandstorm: killing off the desktops should have almost no effect15:38
sandstormhmm15:38
jpinxsandstorm: try making a note for a day and seeing it in the monthly view15:38
Corsacsandstorm: multiple syncable calendars15:39
sandstormSpeedEvil: allright then, eliminated that, thanks for info15:39
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SpeedEvilsandstorm: what sort of battery life are you seeing?15:39
SpeedEvilOh15:39
famicomJartza true, but those people should either learn to fix it, or they should provide clear instructions for those who can fix it what they should fix15:40
SpeedEvilAlso - make sure your AP is power-saving proprly if using wifi15:40
* jpinx gets a day with "medium" usage15:40
SpeedEvilfamicom: Providing clear instructions takes time.15:40
sandstormSpeedEvil: not a too bad one, but if I have the chance, I will try to improve it and the performance. the visuals are not the top priority for me. performance and battery life are. I got like 2 days average of battery life.15:40
SpeedEvilfamicom: And can be disheartening if you do it several times and nothing happens15:40
famicomif it doesn't work, it means you need to try something different, and try again15:41
Jartzafamicom: I agree to some point. but personally I also appreciate just input from users, even in form "I just don't like it".15:41
SpeedEvil2 days is generally fairly good, unless it's idle.15:41
SpeedEvilI've gotten up to around 8 with it all-but idle.15:41
famicomJartza, this is true :)15:41
sandstorma noobish question, is the code of Nokia's calendar open source?15:41
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famicomwhat i hate is people with a sense of entitlement (I USE YOUR STUFF, THEREFORE YOU MUST TREAT ME LIKE A KING)15:41
SpeedEvilsandstorm: No. It's an awesome bitr of nokia IP.15:41
jpinxwell - if someone owns up to writing the calendar I can provide polite and constructive critique ;)15:42
Jartzafamicom: well, in traditional world the customer should be the king :)15:42
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famicomnot really, only if you pay for it15:42
Jartzaof course, open source changes things, especially if the customer isn't a paying one15:43
jpinxbut I know some of the guys who put their souls into the software are a bit toucht15:43
jpinxtouchy15:43
SpeedEvilI have no problem with the customer being king. If he lends me a handmaiden or two, he gets _much_ better service.15:43
famicomprice = cost of resources + value of time + value of expertise15:43
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famicomexactly :)15:43
SpeedEvilSemi-seriously - random RL stuff is taking _way_ too much of my energy.15:43
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jpinxRL stuff ?15:43
SpeedEvilReal Life.15:44
Jartzaunfortunately joe avderage-user just buys a phone, installs software and doesn't care where the software came from :P15:44
SpeedEvilIt's what happens when you step away from the computer.15:44
jpinxah - it's random computer stuff that gets in my way :)15:44
jpinxlike having to find a calender that works ;)15:44
Jartzaand joe average still thinks hes a paying customer15:44
famicomand joe average can go fuck himself15:45
sandstorm:O15:45
jpinxjpe average did pay - he paid nokia15:45
SpeedEvilIt would be awesome if the company would allocate .1% of the purchase price to bugfixes.15:45
DocScrutinizer~RL15:45
infobotwell, rl is Real Life (the bad world out there), or known as the Big Blue Box (tm).  Conways game using only rational numbers15:45
Jartzafamicom: they sometimes do. and buy an iphone/android :)15:45
SpeedEvilAnd there was some way to aggregate consumer wants on bugfixes.15:45
famicomcustomers are like misbehaving children, it's bad behavior and needs to be corrected15:46
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famicomSpeedEvil there is15:46
JartzaI don't think it's customers fault that they have application manager in phone they bought15:46
jpinxI have a girlfriend with an iphone, and the n900 is much better in many ways, but is let down by details15:47
famicomprobably15:47
Jartzabut... off to cooking :)15:47
famicombut if the overall experience is better, it's a better product15:48
famicomclear and simple15:48
jpinxI have never Ãless than 6 apps running at thesame time - and ofen many more15:48
sandstormI can't see userlist on xchat, anyone experiencing that?15:48
* jpinx uses irssi15:48
MohammadAG51enable it?15:48
SpeedEvilsandstorm: yes15:48
SpeedEvilsandstorm: you need tot urn it on.15:48
DocScrutinizersandstorm: F7 - err, menu-view-userlist15:48
sandstormSpeedEvil: the problem is, its already turned on :O15:48
SpeedEvilTop menu -> xchat -> view userlist15:49
SpeedEvilIIRC15:49
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DocScrutinizersandstorm: then try pulling right border to the center of screen15:49
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sandstormI see a little border15:49
sandstormon the left15:49
sandstormwhen I turn it on15:49
DocScrutinizerit's sized to zero width15:49
SpeedEvilactually15:49
sandstormbut dunno how to drag it15:49
SpeedEviltop-window15:49
SpeedEvilthen view15:49
SpeedEvilthen userlist15:49
SpeedEvilto toggle15:49
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sandstormletme test15:50
DocScrutinizeror change the related numeric value in .xchat/xchat.conf15:50
sandstormuserlist already got the check besides it15:51
sandstormI see a border on left15:51
sandstormbut cant expand it15:51
sandstormhmm15:51
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sandstormdont know how it got zeroed in size15:51
sandstormby itself15:51
SpeedEviloh - right - I thought you wanted it off15:52
SpeedEvildrag the bar on the very right of the screen to expand it15:53
sandstorm|mobilefinally i could expand it by trying to drag it with stylus15:53
DocScrutinizergui_pane_left_size = 111; gui_pane_right_size = 494;gui_ulist_hide = 1 gui_ulist_left = 0 gui_ulist_pos = 3 gui_ulist_resizable = 1 gui_ulist_show_hosts = 0 gui_ulist_sort = 0 gui_ulist_style = 015:53
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sandstorm|mobilebut it was not so easy letme say15:53
DocScrutinizerin /home/user/.xchat2/xchat.conf15:53
DocScrutinizeroh, you managed to drag it :-)15:54
sandstorm|mobiletyvm for that internal info15:54
sandstorm|mobileyes it was challenging :p15:54
sandstorm|mobilehmm i wonder if i can align it to right15:55
DocScrutinizer(how it got zeroed in size) think it comes with defaults set up like that :-/15:55
sandstorm|mobileah what a bad default setup15:56
DocScrutinizer(right) I have, there's a setting in prefs15:56
sandstorm|mobileuilist pos?15:56
DocScrutinizerprolly15:56
sandstorm|mobileletme see the prefs first15:56
DocScrutinizercya15:57
sandstormthanks alot15:57
sandstormsee you15:57
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* MohammadAG lurks in #ubuntu16:14
MohammadAGit's hostile towards new users16:14
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lcukMohammadAG, its not16:14
lcukbut on busy chans its easy for a new user to get drowned out16:15
lcukwhenever I am around places like that I look for the little voice and try to respond to them16:15
MohammadAGI'm not talking about myself16:15
MohammadAGI'm just looking at replies16:15
MohammadAGI like the bot though16:15
lcukyeah i idle there myself sometimes16:15
jpinxwhich bot?  I think there's several16:16
MohammadAGubotto16:16
* lcuk lurks in #liqbase16:16
sivangMohammadAG: it is? :)16:17
viszlots of rtfm?16:17
MohammadAGsometimes that's needed16:17
MohammadAG~debian visz16:17
* infobot tells visz to RTFM!!!! GAH!!! HELL FIRE AND BRIMSTONE!!!! BURN!!! DIE!!! MWAHAHAHAHA!!!!16:17
visz=)16:17
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jpinx:)16:18
MohammadAGUpgrading to 10.10, I'm gonna regret this16:18
sandstorm:O16:19
MohammadAGthe Nokia SDK is nice, the Qt Creator it includes it better than the one in the ubuntu repos16:19
viszif it's not broken...16:19
* jpinx passes MohammadAG the root...16:19
MohammadAGvisz, break it?16:19
viszdon't upgrade it16:19
sivangMohammadAG: you will, I heard it is a pain on some gfx chipsets/board chipset combinations16:19
lcukMohammadAG, then who deals with buntu integration of those components?16:20
MohammadAGcrap, proprietary NVidia here16:20
lcuku16:20
MohammadAGlcuk, not sure16:20
viszdon't use gnome on my ubuntu netbook remix laptop, but what i've heard the 10.10 makes things worse16:20
MohammadAGMaintainer: Ubuntu Developers <ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com>16:20
lcukgetting the latest nokia sdk and qt creator onto ubuntu or preferably meego would be good :P16:20
sivanglcuk: there's the ubunut-x ml, but it is not for bug reports or user support, it said launchpad is the address for that these days16:20
sivanglcuk: that is VERY easy16:21
MohammadAGIt doesn't have the Symbian emu though16:21
MohammadAGfor some reason16:21
lcuksivang, then follow it up?16:21
sivangMohammadAG: you have to get the "mobile" sdk16:21
lcuki bet there will be more niggles16:21
MohammadAGsivang, i think it's the mobile one16:21
MohammadAGhas a Maemo emu, but I think the symbian one is for Windows only16:21
viszah, found the appropriate quote: http://bash.org/?15203716:21
sivanglcuk: I just downloaded and installed, and Maemo and Symbian emu works fine on a non VT netbook16:22
sivanglcuk: using 9.04 I think16:22
lcukvisz, "non VT" means nothing16:22
sivangnote it is just emulation16:22
viszhuh?16:22
lcukmeh16:22
viszoh16:22
lcukMohammadAG, i fiddled with liqflow on my laptop16:22
lcukdid a flow with 50k particles16:23
lcukit was happy and fully flowing at 25k though16:23
MohammadAGlcuk, got a deb?16:23
lcuklibliqbase builds happily as does liqbase playground16:23
lcukyou had them yourself16:23
MohammadAGnot on X64 :P16:23
lcuk:)16:23
lcuki am using 32b16:23
MohammadAGmy tablet was x8616:24
sivangMohammadAG: ah, you are right I confused with windows, Symbian tooling is available only on Windows16:24
lcukthe x64 stuff was on fellow collaboran spyros computer16:24
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lcukhe can send me a patch if he gets it working :P16:24
MohammadAGI'm looking at C++/Qt atm16:24
MohammadAGit looks sorta confusing, coming from python :P16:24
DocScrutinizer51lo mo16:25
MohammadAGI'm looking at sources, are .h files auto generated or something?16:25
MohammadAGor do I just c&p all void lines into one16:25
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mkpaaback to questions... what is the easiest way to boot n810 from external memory card? is custom initfs the only way?16:25
lcukMohammadAG, "ntpd -s"16:25
lcuki have to run this after connecting to my network16:26
* MohammadAG reads visz's quote16:26
sivangMohammadAG: you have any knowledge of C++?16:26
lcukto reset clock after removing battery16:26
MohammadAGlinux is gay, what is ntpd :P16:26
MohammadAGjk16:26
MohammadAGsivang, not really16:26
lcukit doesnt appear to run when the network connects16:26
DocScrutinizer51MohammadAG: .h aren't autogenerated, except for some qt stuff iirc16:26
MohammadAGthis is Qt16:26
lcuknetwork time daemon16:26
MohammadAGlcuk, I asked for that?16:26
lcukand even when I run it from console, it changes time16:26
sivangMohammadAG: .h files are like the "interface declerations"16:26
lcukbut the clock widget in top left16:26
lcukdoesnt refresh16:27
lcukno, i am explaining a bug16:27
lcukor set of bugs16:27
sivangMohammadAG: if that means anything to you, so to describe the API funcs/methods a certain component supports or accepts,16:27
sivangMohammadAG: or "messages" in OOP speak.16:27
lcukntpd should update time and refresh the clock16:27
MohammadAGsivang, and the .cpp files are the code itself16:27
lcukbut it doesnt16:27
sivangMohammadAG: exactly16:27
sivangMohammadAG: "the implementation"16:27
sivangMohammadAG: which should be hidden from the clients (16:27
lcukis there a point in OS where a script can run on network connect?16:27
sivangMohammadAG: "users" of the classes16:27
lcukand a way of refreshing the clock16:27
lcukwidget16:27
sivangMohammadAG: Python has a similar notion with zope.interface16:28
luke-jrAhoy thar lcuk16:28
lcuk\o luke-jr16:28
DocScrutinizer51lcuk: maybe clock updates after 60s?16:28
luke-jrlcuk: where be ye pirate hat?16:28
sivangMohammadAG: http://wiki.zope.org/Interfaces/FrontPage16:28
sivangMohammadAG: twisted has them as well16:28
lcukDocScrutinizer51, the first few times I ran ntpd from the console it didnt update16:28
DocScrutinizer51lcuk: that's weird. date gave correct time?16:29
sivangMohammadAG: the .h/.c/.cc stuff is sort of explained here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abstract_data_type16:29
sivangMohammadAG: ADTs16:29
MohammadAGand .pro files are like makefiles for Qt?16:29
lcukDocScrutinizer51, yes16:29
lcukafter ntpd -s16:29
lcukthe date is correct16:29
DocScrutinizer51lcuk: also you want to run hwclock --systohc after adjusting time16:29
lcukbut to actually get the widget to refresh16:29
lcuki still have to open time16:29
lcukand save it16:30
luke-jrnot exactly16:30
lcukno DocScrutinizer5116:30
lcuki want it to happen automatically16:30
lcukafter net connect16:30
DocScrutinizer51iknowiknow16:30
lcukidk console foo16:30
lcukit took me 6 months to remember ntpd -s ya know16:30
DocScrutinizer51lcuk: it should probably run ntpdate in ifup script16:30
DocScrutinizer51ntpd isn't exactly tailored to fit usecase of sporadic network connectivity16:31
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lcukthen store a random flag with now date16:32
luke-jrDocScrutinizer51: sure it is16:32
lcukand if we have gone back in time to 200916:32
lcukrun it16:32
DocScrutinizer51the daemon doesn't cope well with missing connection16:32
luke-jrDocScrutinizer51: in fact, ntpd *blocks* ntpd16:32
lcuki dont really care about 5 seconds off16:32
lcukbut it showing 2009 is a bummer16:32
luke-jrerr16:33
luke-jrblocks ntpdate16:33
sivangMohammadAG: sort of I think, I think they are used by qmake to create proper makefiles for make16:33
luke-jrDocScrutinizer51: then something is wrong16:33
MohammadAGis this void MainWindow::createMenus() like def createMenus() in python?16:33
MohammadAGcreateMenus(self) that is16:33
luke-jreven w/o network, ntpd is supposed to calculate skew and counter it16:33
MohammadAGsivang, ah, sorta like a configure script16:33
luke-jrand on a N810 or N900, it only makes sense to have ntpd check the GPS time every so often16:33
sivangMohammadAG: similar but the C++ version is using the method in the class wihtout instantiation, while "createMenus(self)" does.16:34
sivangMohammadAG: as far as I understand </grain of salt>16:34
lcukdoc, if [ -z "`date|grep 2009`" ]16:34
DocScrutinizer51lcuk: anyway enabling automatic adjust in time settings only means it's listening to GSM time msgs16:34
lcukhence me talking about ntpd16:34
sivangMohammadAG: it is something else if you use this to declare a method16:35
sivangMohammadAG: as the syntax for declaring it is quite similar16:35
MohammadAGhmm'16:35
MohammadAG    helpMenu = menuBar()->addMenu(tr("&Help"));16:35
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MohammadAGhelpMenu would be the object name?16:36
luke-jrtr?16:36
sivangMohammadAG: yes, if addMenu returns an instance16:36
luke-jrI thought it was _16:36
MohammadAGidk, that's the example I'm looking at16:36
lcukMohammadAG, i just found out last night16:36
sivangMohammadAG: and menuBar here is supposed produce an instance as well16:37
MohammadAGwas gonna was what tr was lol16:37
lcukadding a textbox onto liqflow lets text input direct on desktop16:37
MohammadAGmenuBar is that blue arrow thingy16:37
DocScrutinizer51lcuk: my ntpd is working just fine as my device is 'always online'. For devices with sporadic connectivity I recommend not using ntpd and instead include ntpdate call to ifup16:37
MohammadAGlcuk, nice16:37
zokiertr enables translateable strings16:37
lcukDocScrutinizer51, i dont care the semantics, i get frustrated seeing clock at 200916:37
sivanghttp://doc.trolltech.com/qq/qq03-swedish-chef.html16:37
sivangMohammadAG: ^16:37
lcukthe internal battery is dead16:37
lcukso needs fixing16:37
sivangMohammadAG: about 'tr'16:38
DocScrutinizer51lcuk: how can I help?16:38
lcukmake ntp work and refresh the clock on desktop !16:38
DocScrutinizer51sivang: ooh, THAT tr()16:38
sivangDocScrutinizer51: :)16:38
lcukeven tie it in with the system setting for automatically adjust clock if you feel you have to16:39
lcuk:D16:39
DocScrutinizer51yeah, I was involved in I18n of twinkle16:39
* sivang is surprised as the amount of help he has been able to provide so far.16:39
sivang:)16:39
lcukDocScrutinizer51, loads of people have the clock issue now after popping batteries and sims16:40
DocScrutinizer51yeah16:40
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DocScrutinizer51weird thing is I got the clock-issue even on running down main bat to <3.0V :-O16:41
FIQhmm16:41
FIQelection day today!16:41
DocScrutinizer51seems there's a silicon bug stopping main bat supply even from powering RTC, if voltage less 3V16:42
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lcukFIQ, really16:42
lcukwheres the link to the voting page people need to be on?16:42
luke-jrFIQ: Arrrr, rather, talk like ye pirate day16:42
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FIQluke-jr, yes, it's the same day this year. :p16:43
MohammadAGand the Maverick breakage starts16:43
MohammadAG(gedit:11462): GdkPixbuf-WARNING **: Cannot open pixbuf loader module file '/usr/lib/gdk-pixbuf-2.0/2.10.0/loaders.cache': No such file or directory16:43
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DocScrutinizer51lcuk: err nope, scratch my prev statement. I have deinstalled ntpd as it didn't work16:54
SpeedEvilworks for me16:54
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DocScrutinizer51hmm, how often do you roam, SpeedEvil ?16:55
SpeedEvilNot very often16:55
DocScrutinizer51:nod:16:56
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DocScrutinizer51lcuk: changing system time with ntpd or ntptime/ntpdate shouldn't make a diff to doing same with date cmd. I can't see why system status clock applet wouldn't update, except if they use an alarmd or other absolute time alarm to trigger refresh, and due to systime adjusted backwards that alarm 'never' triggers17:05
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johnsqHi17:16
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DocScrutinizer51anybody recalls what's the special tweaks of proto devices' firmware? What, if anything, will cease to work when flashing a 'normal' PR1.2 image to a prototype?17:30
lcukhuh17:32
lcukhow prototypey?17:32
DocScrutinizer51lcuk: F417:33
DocScrutinizer51whatever that means17:33
lcukhoe do i find out which variants i have ?17:33
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DocScrutinizer51dunno17:34
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DocScrutinizer51cal?17:34
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lcukthere might be a sticker but i cant remember lol17:35
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DocScrutinizer51osso-product-info OSSO_PRODUCT_HARDWARE='RX-51' ?17:36
DocScrutinizer51anyway, what's been the major diffs of any proto to MP?17:37
lcukDocScrutinizer51, the device i am on now doesnt say that17:37
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MohammadAGenv17:41
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer51, afaik the flashing images differ17:41
MohammadAGmaverick beta 1 is better than lucid xD17:41
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MohammadAGat least the thermal sensors work now17:41
sobczykMohammadAG: it's still not final ;)17:41
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ShadowJKoh wow, ovi music seems to finally offer me drm-free without complaining my N900 isn't an N-series device18:03
ShadowJKmaybe I should attempt to create an account again18:03
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sivangwhat's that rapid content widgets creation approach Nokia has ? in which you can create apps for your blog or so through a web interface18:03
sivanganybody remembers?18:03
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ShadowJKis that what web runtime does?18:05
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sivangShadowJK: it uses WRT, but there was a web interface from somewhere to create the widgets apps18:08
sivang(AFAIK)18:08
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w00tJaffa: dne.. not here, pong18:16
w00ton a bus, but i have my n900 :)18:16
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MiXu-On a train o/18:19
Jaffaw00t: See various emails. You're not out (yet ;-))18:19
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w00tyeah, kathy informed me.. cant easily get them on n900 coz of the mail client i use (sup) but i shall read asap once i get to the apartment im staying18:20
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w00tty :)18:22
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Stskeepsi vote w00t be disqualified for being on a bus18:22
Stskeeps:P18:22
w00tlol18:22
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JaffaSD69 really pisses me off.18:30
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Stskeepshe's a lawyer, he's supposed to be nitpicky18:41
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JaffaStskeeps: Is he? Not just a git, then?19:13
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Stskeepsprofessional git19:14
fralsw00t: whereabouts are you staying? ;)19:17
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w00tfrals: er.. good question19:37
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* w00t celebrates in the small victory of finally finding the apartment and managing to get internet19:38
fralshaha19:38
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* RST38h swears, disabling every single multitouch/tap feature of his new shining Synaptics touchpad.19:42
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MNZRST38h, circular scrolling!19:43
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RST38hWhoever came up with an idea that multitouch is somehow "natural" never had to use it himself19:43
RST38hMNZ: Gone!19:43
MNZbut it's really nice :/19:43
RST38hScrew it.19:43
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MohammadAGwell19:53
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MohammadAGbacking up the kernel by dd'ing /dev/mtd3 does NOT work19:53
MohammadAGdevice won't boot, but what's interesting is, taking out the battery with the USB connected keeps it on19:54
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RST38hstill trying to unbrick your device?19:55
MohammadAGit's not bricked :P19:56
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RST38hah ok19:57
* RST38h vaguely remembers someone bricking his device latley19:58
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lcukhrw|gone, i like your writeup about designing in qt20:10
lcukhttp://marcin.juszkiewicz.com.pl/2010/09/17/is-designing-ui-simple-with-qt/20:10
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* Noobmonk3y waves20:23
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Noobmonk3ylcuk, hows the head/ear?20:23
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* Noobmonk3y has been a busy boy today - could do with a million people to double check my ramblings :) - http://www.greg-roberts.com/index.php?option=com_zoo&task=item&item_id=7&Itemid=120:24
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lcukNoobmonk3y, ear is ok, i can hear again now :)20:29
lcukjust got back from walk round country park20:29
lcukjake was jumping in tonnes of muddy puddles20:29
Noobmonk3yw000p!20:29
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Noobmonk3ysounds good fun!!20:30
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Venemohii guys20:39
Stskeepshi hi20:40
Noobmonk3yhey Hey!20:41
Noobmonk3yhaving a good wkend Venemo ?20:41
VenemoNoobmonk3y: yeah :)20:42
Noobmonk3y:)20:42
lcukhey Venemo \o20:43
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VenemoNoobmonk3y: I was working on a website for my father from Friday to Saturday without having any sleep... and it is still not complete20:43
Noobmonk3yhaha i know that feeling spent 5+ hours on a blog today - also designing another website and updating healthcheck! so much for a quiet sunday!20:43
lcukNoobmonk3y, that page is awesome20:44
Venemo:)20:44
lcukbut it needs to show the photos of it in expected positions as it is put in those positions :P20:44
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VenemoDo you guys know of a very lightweight non-resource-hungry Linux distro + desktop environment that I can put on my grandma's Pentium I computer?20:44
Noobmonk3yCheers lcuk!20:45
Noobmonk3yyeah, i know - lol lcuk - need to do new Healthcheck screenshots this week i feel20:45
ShadowJKYou're pretty much out of luck, because ooo or firefox/chrome/whatever is going to want 10X more memory than what the Pentium machine has20:45
Noobmonk3yVenemo, pretty sure ubuntu would work, not sure on which version20:45
Noobmonk3yShadow, not sure on that, the pentium should be able to handle the basics20:45
Noobmonk3yworth a try anyway20:46
VenemoNoobmonk3y: I was first thinking of Fedora (my favourite), but it requires i686 :D20:46
ShadowJKWell just consider that in all likelyhood it has less ram than a 770 :)20:46
Noobmonk3ylol20:46
VenemoShadowJK: yes! 16 MB RAM if I recall correctly, plus a 150 MHz processor20:46
ShadowJKYeah, give up :)20:47
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Venemoit ran Windows 95, but something happened to the machine... I will need to look at it next week when I go home :P20:47
ShadowJKEven netscape 3 back in the days was a hog on my P133 32M ram :)20:47
Venemoshe doesn't have an internet connection, so this is not an issue20:48
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Noobmonk3yVenmo, probably cheaper on your time do buy her a £50 second hand pc with 5* the power lol20:48
Noobmonk3yI have 7 spare dell optiplex's at the moment :P hehe - but i have a feeling you aint local to me lol!20:48
VenemoNoobmonk3y: well, unfortunately no. I live in Budapest20:50
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Noobmonk3yahhhh - will be in greece on sunday next week, still a bit to far away to pop buy20:50
Noobmonk3yby*20:50
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VenemoNoobmonk3y: do you mean £ by Ł ?20:53
Noobmonk3ylol i meant popping by, so i could drop it off, you can have one for free, but shipping would cost me £50+ most likely! lol20:53
Noobmonk3y+ i'm a lazy bugger, and i hate going to the post office lol20:54
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VenemoNoobmonk3y: oh, that's not what I meant20:55
Noobmonk3yoh lol20:55
VenemoNoobmonk3y: I just asked whether you meant british pounds? (are you Brittish?)20:55
Noobmonk3yi posted the symbol £ (As is  pounds) -did it display oddly on your screen?20:55
Noobmonk3yyes, i am :)20:55
Noobmonk3yahhh gotcha20:55
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VenemoNoobmonk3y: I thought the symbol is £20:56
Noobmonk3yit is :)20:57
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lcukNoobmonk3y, the further down the page I go, the more I likey20:59
lcukhttp://www.greg-roberts.com/index.php?option=com_zoo&task=item&item_id=7&Itemid=120:59
Noobmonk3yhehehe cheers lcuk! its not all there, but that should give people a) a bit of an insight in terminal commands, and b) some N900 knowledge... Will add useful links to each section and finish the rest. Tis basically gonna be my findings of all of the CAT'ing of terminal i have done lol!21:00
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Noobmonk3y(i posted most of that blog from the n900 - but gave up after thumb and eye ache!)21:01
lcukgood, you are presenting things well21:01
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lcukand healthcheck is a great tool for people to investigate the device21:01
Noobmonk3y:) :) -  the most feedback from healthcheck i've actually had is people looking at the code and learning about the n900 - and unexpected benefit :)21:02
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Noobmonk3yits kinda odd, as i know i don't code too well, but i love the investigation part - what is odd, is really how badly documented some of the n900 parts are :| - ie, when i cat something, i'd expect a documented list of what something does either from nokia, manufacturer or supplier, in most cases that is not true (like boot_reason) for example21:03
VenemoNoobmonk3y: why do you think you don't code well?21:03
Noobmonk3yVenemo, As it ignores all good coding practice to get something to work, there are also errors in it, mainly affecting the tools i used to get information. But it works i suppose :P21:04
Noobmonk3ynot as messy as it used to be ;)21:04
lcuksounds familiar :)21:04
VenemoNoobmonk3y: well, I know the feeling21:04
VenemoNoobmonk3y: for Sticky Notes, I had to go for several hacks to get things working as I want them to work21:05
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VenemoNoobmonk3y: because of the number of these, many people can question my ability to create sane code!21:05
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Noobmonk3yhahaha :)21:06
Noobmonk3yI think i flit between things to quick to learn standards :P - so getting something working is good enough for me :)21:06
VenemoNoobmonk3y: hm, your HDR pictures are amazing21:07
Venemofor others to check out: http://www.greg-roberts.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=5&Itemid=1121:07
Noobmonk3yawww cheers!!! :) - i love HDR and photo techniques, all of those have been shot on a 6mp EOS 300D :) hehe, my missues has a 400D (And cross fingers, after my 30th in 2 weeks i may have a better one!) lol21:08
VenemoNoobmonk3y: btw, HDR = "High Dynamic Range", you could change it in the menu (which says "High Defined Range")21:08
Noobmonk3yhttp://www.greg-roberts.com/images/Gallery/HDR/webphdr_001.jpg - that was my first ever attempt Venemo :) - came out pretty good21:08
Noobmonk3yooo v good point - it kinda is both though lol21:08
Venemovery nice21:08
Noobmonk3ydepending how pedantic people feel lol21:09
Noobmonk3yi did that water tanker one, after reading someones tweet ! hehe - so went out, took the camera, 30 mins later that appeared, got hooked!21:09
Venemo:)21:09
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Noobmonk3ychadi, bit.ly/d08bo0  :)21:10
Noobmonk3yChadi http://bit.ly/d08bo0 even21:11
hrw|gonelcuk: nice to hear21:11
MohammadAG51Noobmonk3y,21:12
Noobmonk3yMohammadAG51,21:12
chadiNoobmonk3y: sweet :)21:12
Noobmonk3ycheers chadi  :)21:12
MohammadAG51save screen estate21:12
Noobmonk3yMohammadAG51, Speak english21:13
MohammadAG51Noobmonk3y, today's pirate day21:13
Noobmonk3yooooooooooo yarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr21:13
Noobmonk3yisnt every day pirate day?21:13
MohammadAG51nar21:13
MohammadAG51ye don't the piirate code21:14
MohammadAG51on a more serious note21:14
MohammadAG51Ubuntu 10.10 ftw21:14
MohammadAG51this is the least crappy beta out of canonical21:14
chadican't wait to test multitouch21:14
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Noobmonk3yooo cool!21:15
MohammadAGNoobmonk3y,21:15
MohammadAGin healthcheck21:15
MohammadAGyou're using a combobox and a button for LED tests21:15
MohammadAGwhy not just use a combobox?21:15
Noobmonk3ycos erm, didnt know you could lol21:16
lcukhrw|gone, using it for a specific purpose and actually managing to get a good looking app out the other end is important for the global process - the qt stuff is coming along nicely21:16
MohammadAGNoobmonk3y, sec21:18
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timeless_pidgin1Hello from a ferry.22:06
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Stskeepswhat country are you in? :P22:07
timeless_stenaliWell. We're about to depart Scotland22:08
timeless_stenaliAnd we'll dock in Northern Ireland22:08
timeless_stenaliTechnically it's all the United Kingdom, which is rather boring...22:08
timeless_stenaliBut scotland has its own domestic parliament :)22:09
timeless_stenaliDunno about Northern Ireland22:09
timeless_stenaliSo far this free wifi seems to work. There's also a "movie" wifi network. I'll have to sign off to try it.22:10
Jaffatimeless_stenali: There's a Northern Ireland Assembly22:11
timeless_stenaliWe're moving22:11
timeless_stenaliOh, "stela line is now on Twitter and Facebook" whatever those are :)22:12
wazdhrw|gone: ping22:14
wazdhello everyone :)22:14
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timeless_stenaliHi wazd22:14
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* timeless_stenali waves from some sea22:14
timeless_stenaliNorthern Irish Sea ?22:14
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timeless_stenaliOne way (inbound audio) sip w/ signaling works :o22:18
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timeless_stenaliThey're showing "the blind side". I'm going to explore... Bye22:27
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GAN900Worst weekend ever22:32
GAN900New N900 here Monday22:32
JaffaOooh22:32
Stskeepswhat happened to the old one?22:32
GAN900Bad NAND or eMMC22:32
Stskeepsidentified by what symptom?22:32
GAN900Didn't manage to get to the point where I felt like fighting with MeeGo to check for bad blocks.22:32
GAN900By it dying while booting at the Nokia logo22:33
GAN900and booting fine from MeeGo on the MicroSD.22:33
RST38hinteresting22:33
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StskeepsGAN900: hrm, usually not good22:33
GAN900Indeed not22:33
GAN900Somehow it expired itself to coincide perfectly with the end of the loan period22:33
GAN900So back to Finland it goes.22:34
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JaffaGAN900: Own bought one, then?22:34
GAN900Yeah22:34
alteregoI really want a second N900 :(22:34
JaffaNew or second hand?22:34
GAN900$399 from Amazon22:34
GAN900New22:34
GAN900Friend is going to pay me for my DDP one that he's been using since I got it.22:34
w00tGAN900: well, that worked our kind of well, then22:35
alteregoI've just got a new work contract, so I might be able to buy a new gadget with the pay :)22:35
JaffaAfter extensive playing with an N8 (nearly typed R8, I wish!); I've concluded Maemo's still the best looking, most flexible and most integrated (except Ovi) phone for me at the moment.22:35
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GAN900Symbian just has too much baggage.22:35
GAN900I really hope the new execs at Nokia manage to push things in good directions.22:35
w00tJaffa: I must ask, is S^3 really less shit than prior symbian offerings? :)22:36
Jaffaw00t: It is less shit.22:36
w00twow22:36
w00tthat's no mean feat22:36
alteregoI was tempted into getting an N8 just for cross device development, as I'd obviously like to target new Symbian handsets too, but I think I might wait for Symbian 422:36
GAN900alturiak: sounds like a good plan.22:36
alteregoIt is less shit, but only because they've spent more than five minutes adding touch functionality.22:36
Jaffaw00t: The physical design of the hardware is orders of magntitude better looking than the N90022:36
w00tyes, the devices look sexy, at least from what i've seen on videos/etc22:37
JaffaGives me high hopes for the Harmattan device.22:37
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w00t(I haven't seen one)22:37
GAN900The bit on Engadget about hardware setting software requirements is just unreal22:37
GAN900if unsurprising22:37
w00tI like the common theme that seems to run through the hardware22:37
w00t(design)22:37
alteregoYeah, doest look quite sexsy.22:37
GAN900Minus that goddamn capacitive screen.22:37
JaffaThe E7 is a *beast* though; hopefully the Harmattan device won't be anywhere near that big22:38
w00tam I the only person that likes big phones?22:38
w00t:P22:38
alteregoI dunno, I like the E7 design, maybe 1/2 an inch smaller though22:38
w00ti'd love an E722:38
Stskeepsw00t: well, you probably have something to make up for, without a big phone in your pocket..22:38
* Stskeeps runs22:38
jacekowskihmm22:38
alteregoI liked the keynote, "It's _biiiiig_"22:38
w00tStskeeps: oh you22:38
Jaffaw00t: The E7 is a *very* big phone22:38
jacekowskilooks like failing usb port have failed on my n90022:38
TriztI don't like the design of the new nokias, feels a bit "boring"22:38
jacekowskior it's just hmm, something else22:39
JaffaTrizt: I wasn't impressed by the photos until I saw them in the flesh22:39
GAN900Trizt: aye.22:39
GAN900The N97 had more much interesting styling.22:39
JaffaToo retro & boring for me.22:39
w00tshame about the hardware22:39
alteregoI felt the same about the N810, the pictures don't do it justice. When I got my N810, I thought "Wow, this is a really sexy device"22:40
* RST38h smirks at the mention of n9722:40
RST38hthat one was a disaster22:40
alteregoThough, the N900 was kind of opposite, the pictures make it look prettier than it actually is in person :)22:40
alteregoThough I do remember thinking, "Wow, this is a bit smaller than I imagined".22:40
RST38hn900 is a 5800 on steroids22:40
GAN900Way too much plastic.22:40
RST38hi.e. not pretty but practical22:40
JaffaAnd been hit by an ugly stick.22:40
JaffaRepeatedly.22:40
TriztI wish the N900 could have been thinner, otherwise I like it22:41
JaffaWell, it wasn't that bad to start with; but looks really dated and plasticky now22:41
alteregoI just think the front could be a little nicer :)22:41
GAN900At least it feels good to hold.22:41
alteregoYeah, that it does.22:41
GAN900I dunno if I can deal with the tilted touchscreen.22:41
JaffaAnd handy in the case of needing a brick to throw through a window for a bit of burglarising.22:41
RST38hiPhone is exactly the same size but thinner. It is pain to hold.22:41
w00tJaffa: hahah22:41
RST38hDoes not feel substantial, as you would expect phone receiver to be22:42
GAN900You really have to have a case for the iPhone22:42
alteregoGAN900: why?22:42
Triztof course I wish it had a multi core cpu and compass and gyro, built in tv receiver, video....22:42
GAN900Which is what makes it genius.22:42
w00tI have sent my n900 through a window, once22:42
GAN900alterego: dunno, just looks really problematic for me.22:42
JaffaTrizt: I'd settle for a teleport; keep the rest.22:42
Jaffaw00t: Really?!22:42
w00tyes22:42
w00tI fell22:42
w00tit went flying22:42
TriztJaffa; yeah, that had been the ultimate feature22:42
GAN900iPhone looks really good in specs and pictures, but you still make money on cases.22:42
alteregoGAN900: I kind of like the idea, but I'll have to use one before I can say I like it or not practically.22:42
w00tslight chip in the frame, but hardly noticable22:42
w00tno other damage22:43
RST38hGAN900: so you made piece with your iphone at last?22:43
RST38hs/piece/peace22:43
GAN900RST38h: I want to burn it to death.22:43
RST38hhm22:43
GAN900RST38h: and don't attribute ownership to me.22:43
RST38hhmm22:43
alteregoHeh22:43
alteregoYou really found the iPhone that bad>?22:43
Triztanyone managed to run maemo on an iphone?22:44
GAN900Can't stand it22:44
alteregoInteresting.22:44
GAN900iOS is boring to use, the screen sucks, the touchscreen sucks, the formfactor is irritating.22:44
MohammadAG51GAN900, what's difference between a production and a preproduction device22:44
MohammadAG51N90022:44
GAN900Things are always more complicated than they need to be.22:44
w00tI tried an iPhone (again) a few months ago, I was pretty underwhelmed really22:44
GAN900MohammadAG51: no N900 badge.22:44
MohammadAG51i remember you metnioned something about loaders being different22:44
alteregoI've got a couple of friends that have them, one is a mobile dev, god they're such massive fan boys, touting how great it is.22:44
GAN900MohammadAG51: Says property of Nokia on the inside.22:44
GAN900MohammadAG51: the HW ID isn't listed in the COMBINED FIASCO images.22:45
MohammadAG51GAN900, so only the loader is different?22:45
alteregoI just want to shout at them, but I refrain and just remember what I can do on my older, but far more flexible N90022:45
RST38hMMohammad: "N900" on the outside, yellow badge on the inside, boot loader not compatible with the rootfs images22:45
GAN900alterego: I had a local journalist try to tell me Apple invented multitasking when he got his iPhone 4.22:45
alteregoGAN900: hahahah22:45
RST38hMohammad: I.e. you have to flash it with specially prepared firmware22:45
MohammadAG51alterego, oh so we're similar, except I don't refrain22:45
alteregoLike they invent everything :/22:45
GAN900RST38h: changing HW id to flash didn't seem to affect anything.22:46
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MohammadAG51RST38h, I assume that's not publically available?22:46
alteregoGAN900: you can force flash it I believe, but it might be a bit dangerous.22:46
GAN900The one thing that's really lightyears ahead of everybody else on Maemo devices is book reading.22:46
MohammadAGwhat's the HW revision in flasher?22:46
RST38hMohammad: It is not, but a letter to dneary or qgil usually solves the problem22:46
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GAN900alterego: worked fine on my proto for 3 or 4 times22:46
alteregoGAN900: one app, many books? As oppose to 4x apps per book? :)22:47
GAN900Until my NAND/eMMC died last week, that is, but dunno if that's related. :D22:47
GAN900alterego: one USABLE app22:47
alteregoHeh22:47
GAN900Combined with a USABLE screen22:47
derfGAN900: They did.22:47
derfWith "System 6" in 1988.22:47
derfPlease ignore all the Unices before that.22:47
alteregoGAN900: what did you honestly think about the display quality of the screen? Colours and such?22:47
GAN900derf: who did what?22:47
derfApple.22:47
GAN900alterego: N900 or iPhone?22:47
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alteregoiPhone22:48
GAN900The iPhone 4 screen is gorgeous.22:48
GAN900Absolutely jaw dropping22:48
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GAN900but it's combined with a UI designed for a screen with half the resolution, so it's mostly useless.22:48
alteregoI should probably pay more attention next time I see them, and they have it on the table infront of them like all iPhoneys do.22:48
GAN900iPhone 1G's screen is ugly22:48
GAN9003G is meh22:48
GAN9003GS is acceptable color and brightness wise but shit resolution.22:49
RST38hbut 4G! 4G22:49
RST38h4G is God!22:49
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MohammadAG51NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO22:50
GAN900derf: oh, multitasking. Yeah, true, but the guy's a Windows user and was referring to the modern mobile space22:50
GAN900RST38h: The 4's screen is god.22:50
MohammadAG51Maverick uses ubuntu software center as the deb handler22:50
GAN900I wish Nokia would order some of those.22:50
MohammadAG51i liked seeing file contents grr22:50
MohammadAG51what about the "CBD" stuff nokia announced22:50
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GAN900MohammadAG51: if the resolution is shit, who cares"22:51
* RST38h silently prays to the iPhone 4G scren22:53
GAN900RST38h: good man.22:53
MohammadAGGAN900, hm, indeed22:53
GAN900I want Retina on N922:53
sandstormI heard that Catorize messes up with battery life, is that true?22:54
GAN900sandstorm: no.22:56
MohammadAGactually, hildon-desktop does WHEN catorize is installed22:57
MohammadAGapparently catorize is only 1 page of icon22:57
MohammadAGhildon-desktop thinks it reached the end, so it bounces the page, then it thinks it reached the top and bounces it again22:58
MohammadAGso it ends up bouncing the page so fast, you can't notice it, but the CPU does22:58
GAN900Hildon Desktop is such a half-assed mess.22:59
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pekujawhere can I find unzip for Maemo?23:00
MohammadAGapt-get install unzip23:00
sandstormso Catorize messes up hildon, it drains battery quicker.23:00
MohammadAGGAN900, nah, the new version fixes it, the way Nokia ships packages sucks23:00
pekujaMohammadAG, doesn't work23:01
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pekujaMohammadAG, what repo is it in?23:01
MohammadAGenable devel23:01
pekujathat's the only way to get unzip?23:01
mecetesting23:01
MohammadAGmentioning the warning about devel is probably a better way to say that, but since I don't promote shit now, I don't23:02
mecejust click a fremantle armel link here: http://maemo.org/packages/view/unzip/23:02
MohammadAGsandstorm, http://81.216.215.120/maemo/hildon-desktop_2.2.138-1+0m5_armel.deb23:02
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sandstormI will miss Catorize since flat style sucks too much.23:02
pekujamece, thanks23:03
sandstormMohammadAG: is that your version of hildon or is it the new versions of the original one ?23:03
mecesandstorm, it's both23:03
meceit's MohammadAG's new version of the original one23:04
sandstormI mean is that custom or the original :)23:04
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sandstormahh I see23:04
meceamIright?23:04
MohammadAGsandstorm, it's not mine23:04
MohammadAGmine lives in the ssu23:05
sandstormsince I am a newbie in this stuff, if I install this newer hildon, may I be updating without problems to a new PR and would it be a clean update removing all the remnants back ?23:05
GAN900Ignoring the text of the election rules when they've been quoted at you twice is always fun.23:06
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MohammadAGtechnically, it's the same hildon23:06
MohammadAGGAN900, you don't seem to like being in the council23:06
GAN900MohammadAG: burnt out. Tired of people interpreting things to their liking.23:07
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sandstorm!ssu23:08
MohammadAGI only heard about the council when the chromium thingy happened23:08
sandstorm~ssu23:08
infobotfrom memory, ssu is http://wiki.maemo.org/SSU23:08
MohammadAGwhat was done before (honest question, not trolling)23:08
pekujahm, application manager keeps saying the unzip package is incompatible23:08
MohammadAG#maemo-ssu for my SSU23:09
MohammadAGit's not _S_ SU at the moment23:09
MohammadAGdpkg -i ftw23:09
MohammadAGHAM sucks23:09
GAN900MohammadAG: facilitation stuff23:09
GAN900mostly23:09
GAN900We handed out sponsorship for the 2009 Maemo Summit23:09
GAN900Um, other stuff.23:10
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GAN900Helped get maemo.org ready for the Fremantle release23:10
GAN900Oversaw the ITt to Talk transition23:10
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GAN900Lots of stuff, in summary.23:10
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MohammadAGWasn't here pre-Fremantle23:11
MohammadAGalways that the N8x0 and 770 ran proprietary shit23:12
MohammadAGAndroid wasn't there, iOS is meh, so I was stuck with Symbian23:12
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MohammadAGthen came the N900, read about Maemo, it was linux, so I did a facepalm and sold my N9723:12
w00tnight folks, I need to catch some sleep23:13
VenemoMohammadAG: so in your opinion, N8x0 and 770 runs properitary shit, but N900 doesn't?23:13
MohammadAGVenemo, I thought it was some Java based OS23:13
MohammadAGVenemo, they all do23:13
VenemoMohammadAG :)23:13
MohammadAGI wonder how many blobs MeeGo on the N900 has23:14
kerioMohammadAG: bme and sgx?23:14
w00tplus wifi (I think, I might be totally wrong)23:15
kerioi thought wifi was open23:15
w00tyou're probably right23:15
GAN900There's a blob, though.23:15
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TiagoTiagohi23:20
Ken-YoungHi TiagoTiago23:20
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TiagoTiagocould someone take a look at the script at http://www.gdhpress.com.br/blog/script-vivo-zap/ and tell me if it's safe to run it on my N900 please?23:21
hrw|gonewazd: pong23:22
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SpeedEvilWon't work at all TiagoTiago23:23
SpeedEvilThis is not kde.23:24
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TiagoTiago:(23:25
SpeedEvilWhat's it supposed to do23:26
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TiagoTiagosetup tethering via DUN with bluetooth, to use another cell phone as a modem23:27
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TiagoTiagomore specificly, it sets things to use one of the carriers from here23:29
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SpeedEvilah23:32
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jacktheripperis it possible to hibernate my N900 ?23:34
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lcukjacktheripper, you mean make it a next of twigs and leaves inside a cave and let it sleep for winter?23:35
lcukif so, sure - you jsut need a handy cave23:35
jacktheripperdoes the kernel support USB twigs ?23:36
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TiagoTiagois there a "wvdial" for the N900?23:36
lcukjacktheripper, theres been some hacking on stuff I think, you will have to search the forums23:37
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hrw|gonewazd: catch me during my working day - 9-18 europe/warsaw timezone (22:36 now)23:38
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TiagoTiagoSpeed£ it has instructions about installing that wvdial thing in many distros  uncluding debian derivatives23:40
TiagoTiagoerm23:41
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DocScrutinizerMohammadAG51: http://81.216.215.120/maemo/hildon-desktop_2.2.138-1+0m5_armel.deb  -- you know it messes up apt-get dependencies so you can't install anything after that? I apt-get remove'd the generic-pr metapackage and it's fine since23:41
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TiagoTiagoSpeedEvil *23:41
MohammadAG51DocScrutinizer, it's not mine anyways23:41
MohammadAG51it shouldn't though23:41
MohammadAG51same number23:42
grishnavhi23:43
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TiagoTiagoSpeedEvil?23:45
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SpeedEvilI don't know.23:45
SpeedEvilSorry.23:46
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TiagoTiagoyou can't tell by the commands in that script if it will harm my N900?23:46
MohammadAG51what script23:47
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DocScrutinizerTiagoTiago: what in "Won't work at all TiagoTiago, This is not kde." was so hard to understand?23:48
TiagoTiago<TiagoTiago> could someone take a look at the script at http://www.gdhpress.com.br/blog/script-vivo-zap/ and tell me if it's safe to run it on my N900 please?23:48
TiagoTiagoit has instructions for debian derivades(sp?)23:49
SpeedEvilTiagoTiago: It is safe. It will not work.23:49
lindi-TiagoTiago: that page is not in english23:49
TiagoTiagoi know, but i didn't thought the comments etc would matter to read the commands in the script23:50
TiagoTiagowhen reading the*23:51
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DocScrutinizerTiagoTiago: I don't see the use of this script at all. There's other methods on maemo to set up PAN, and also other methods to create a GPRS connection. wvdial seems highly useless on N900 anyway, at least until we get hostmode working23:57
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