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| FireStorm| | import it as CSV file it give u the correct number of contacts but no entrys lol | 00:01 |
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| FireStorm| | i don't really want to sit and import 200 contacts :( | 00:01 |
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| FireStorm| | any one got any ideas on importing Gmail contacts into maemo | 00:01 |
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| iluminator101 | how do i add google voice on n900 | 00:04 |
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| FireStorm| | any one? | 00:04 |
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| iluminator101 | how do i add google voice on n900 | 00:06 |
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| th3hate | is it possible to reset the partition table of mmc using n900? | 00:11 |
| th3hate | sfdisk maybe? | 00:11 |
| FireStorm| | come on someone most have done it before :( | 00:11 |
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| satmd | mine only has a single partition on it | 00:12 |
| satmd | probably vfat | 00:12 |
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| satmd | too lazy to check now | 00:13 |
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| FireStorm| | DocScrutinizer any ideas ? | 00:17 |
| iluminator101 | how do i add google voice on n900 | 00:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | sorry 2 lines above I got highlight, and 3 lines above I stopped reading backscroll | 00:18 |
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| FireStorm| | any ideas on how to import gmail contacts into n900 | 00:18 |
| FireStorm| | cause it don't wanan know | 00:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | iluminator101: check tmo and repos | 00:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | iluminator101: check tmo and repos | 00:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | iluminator101: check tmo and repos | 00:19 |
| iluminator101 | tmo?? | 00:19 |
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| MNZ | iluminator101, talk.maemo.org | 00:20 |
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| CreamyG | hey does anyone know the proper units for cpu time - looks like minutes, seconds, ms but i'm not sure | 00:30 |
| CreamyG | like it says xorg 19:28.55 | 00:31 |
| CreamyG | and i rebooted less than 19 hrs ago for sure | 00:31 |
| SpeedEvil | 19 mins | 00:35 |
| CreamyG | MM:SS.ms ? | 00:36 |
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| CreamyG | oh, it's 13:37 | 00:37 |
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| SpeedEvil | no seconds.hundredths | 00:38 |
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| CreamyG | ahh ok cs | 00:40 |
| CreamyG | thanks | 00:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: how's your head? | 00:43 |
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| SpeedEvil | Fine at the moment. | 00:45 |
| SpeedEvil | No lasting damage. | 00:45 |
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| DocScrutinizer | good :-) | 00:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: on #om-cdevel lindi and gena2x are discussing power consumption issues, might be a topic for you | 00:49 |
| SpeedEvil | I don't have my OM device up anymore. | 00:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's more about hw/boottime level | 00:51 |
| SpeedEvil | yeah | 00:51 |
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| jo-erlend | I'm trying to synchronize PIM data between my n900 and funambol and memotoo, but no luck. I get an error: "Synchronization failed", but no explanations. Any ideas? | 01:16 |
| jo-erlend | I'm using syncEvolution. | 01:16 |
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| lcuk | jo-erlend, it could be any one of things :S | 01:53 |
| lcuk | SpeedEvil, | 01:53 |
| lcuk | you thought from last night | 01:54 |
| lcuk | is essentially what invar does, but for 3 leds | 01:54 |
| jo-erlend | heh... I run it from the command line, and I got even more confusing results... All was a success, but then there was an error saying synchronization failed.. | 01:54 |
| lcuk | nice jo! | 01:54 |
| lcuk | the bugtracker for it isnt so easy to pin down either | 01:54 |
| SpeedEvil | lcuk: yes - I was thinking it might or might not be easy to add. | 01:54 |
| lcuk | http://bugs.meego.com/buglist.cgi?product=SyncEvolution | 01:55 |
| lcuk | jo-erlend, perhaps have a glance over there | 01:55 |
| lcuk | and see if anything jumps out | 01:55 |
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| lcuk | SpeedEvil, you actually want to use it for rangefinding? | 01:55 |
| SpeedEvil | lcuk: no. Prop n900 against something, pointing at wall. Run stud detector across wall, scribbling randomly | 01:56 |
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| SpeedEvil | noting on the image when the LED goes on | 01:56 |
| lcuk | ahh so you can visually map all the places it hit! | 01:56 |
| SpeedEvil | you end up with a diagram of dots where the studs/wires are | 01:56 |
| lcuk | like a super timelapse | 01:56 |
| lcuk | wicked! | 01:57 |
| SpeedEvil | exactly | 01:57 |
| lcuk | neat idea dude! that should be reasonably practical | 01:57 |
| lcuk | however I recall the Push N900 guys | 01:57 |
| lcuk | wanted to do a camera trail maker thing | 01:57 |
| lcuk | and they ended up with slight gaps | 01:58 |
| lcuk | based on aliasing and phasing and stuff | 01:58 |
| lcuk | how precise are you thinking, if it just shows you all the places it saw a green led (as you said configurable) | 01:58 |
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| lcuk | hmm | 01:59 |
| lcuk | so taking one highres pic at start of it | 01:59 |
| lcuk | then using a video stream thereafter | 01:59 |
| lcuk | and using a filter on that | 01:59 |
| lcuk | should give you what you need.. | 01:59 |
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| SpeedEvil | I just mean approximately. | 02:02 |
| SpeedEvil | Its good to get an overall view | 02:02 |
| lcuk | sure, i see what you are thinking | 02:02 |
| SpeedEvil | You don't need a hugely precise answer. | 02:02 |
| SpeedEvil | As you can check later for precise measurements. | 02:02 |
| SpeedEvil | I was pondering my own cam app. | 02:03 |
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| SpeedEvil | Something trivial with no UI. | 02:03 |
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| lcuk | the problem you would have is distance and resolution | 02:04 |
| lcuk | SpeedEvil, healthcheck | 02:04 |
| SpeedEvil | Lock focal length at infinity, on headset press, take a pic, take a voice note while it is held down | 02:04 |
| lcuk | is pyqt and has camera image doofers | 02:04 |
| SpeedEvil | hmm | 02:04 |
| SpeedEvil | No screen even. | 02:04 |
| SpeedEvil | For lower powrr | 02:05 |
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| lcuk | the screen isnt important and your timeout should cope/can just click your dimmer | 02:05 |
| SpeedEvil | I want to have the n900 ina a shirt pocket, and be able to take pics and notes by walking around and pointing art stuff | 02:05 |
| lcuk | but I tihnk having some ui to be able to stop it would be wise | 02:05 |
| SpeedEvil | with gps | 02:05 |
| * lcuk knows that usecase very well | 02:05 | |
| lcuk | gps isnt good indoors | 02:05 |
| SpeedEvil | no | 02:06 |
| lcuk | but gives general area usually | 02:06 |
| lcuk | so good enough to indicate client X or client Y | 02:06 |
| * SpeedEvil waits for site to load. | 02:06 | |
| lcuk | SpeedEvil, alternative | 02:06 |
| lcuk | just record a movie of you doing it | 02:07 |
| lcuk | using normal software | 02:07 |
| lcuk | then postprocess | 02:07 |
| lcuk | to get your overlay | 02:07 |
| lcuk | no delay, no faff | 02:07 |
| SpeedEvil | http://openstreetview.org/?lat=56.214969375361&lon=-3.1100133060217&zoom=14 | 02:07 |
| lcuk | you know it records movies etc | 02:07 |
| lcuk | once you get to needing it, load up gstreamer using python and process the frames | 02:07 |
| SpeedEvil | I want it to last at least 4h. | 02:07 |
| * lcuk nods | 02:07 | |
| SpeedEvil | So video doesnt really work | 02:08 |
| lcuk | then use the normal sw? | 02:08 |
| SpeedEvil | GPS is imprecise due to truncation at seconds of lat/lon, the delay sucks. | 02:08 |
| lcuk | make a data stream and save the live processing till you are back at office? | 02:08 |
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| lindi- | SpeedEvil: is your goal to improve openstreetmap? | 02:09 |
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| SpeedEvil | yes | 02:09 |
| lcuk | lindi-, his original goal was to detect live wires :P | 02:09 |
| SpeedEvil | no - sorry | 02:09 |
| * lcuk senses feature creep :P | 02:09 | |
| SpeedEvil | this and that are completlely seperate projects | 02:09 |
| SpeedEvil | I should have made that clear | 02:09 |
| lcuk | i know dude | 02:09 |
| lcuk | but the camera and recording ui is already optimised for quick on the go usage | 02:10 |
| lcuk | dim your screen, do your art, dump later | 02:10 |
| SpeedEvil | Its really not. | 02:10 |
| SpeedEvil | It has several issues. | 02:10 |
| SpeedEvil | Can't listen to audio at the same time. | 02:10 |
| lindi- | SpeedEvil: I've done some experiments with video mapping from a car. http://lindi.iki.fi/lindi/osm/video-recording/demo1.ogv -- it seems to be fairly useful but only if I could up the resolution a lot | 02:11 |
| jo-erlend | is there only one contact list on maemo? | 02:11 |
| SpeedEvil | The focus time can be very long, when I know that infinity is quite fine. | 02:11 |
| SpeedEvil | I want to be able to take a pic every couple of seconds at peak. | 02:11 |
| SpeedEvil | And have shutter lag of well under 0.5s. | 02:12 |
| SpeedEvil | The existing software basically complely fails for this. | 02:12 |
| lcuk | SpeedEvil, which purpose, the stud detector? | 02:12 |
| SpeedEvil | no - OSM | 02:12 |
| SpeedEvil | Argh | 02:13 |
| SpeedEvil | Sorry - We're confusing each other again. | 02:13 |
| lcuk | i saw a great time lapse video taken with n900 tonight :) | 02:13 |
| SpeedEvil | Yes - video recording and post would actually work for the stud thing. | 02:13 |
| * lcuk doesnt know which software was used, but i think it was fcam lib based | 02:13 | |
| lcuk | right, so we move past that easily | 02:13 |
| SpeedEvil | I was trying the stock camera sw with that stream of 80 pics, and it was annoying in so many ways | 02:14 |
| lcuk | ok, so you want manual shutter control or for actual automatic timelapse creation? | 02:14 |
| SpeedEvil | I am also contemplating doing naughty things with my I2C | 02:15 |
| SpeedEvil | The above openstreetview link | 02:15 |
| lcuk | lindi-, i see a strange large video of your desktop? | 02:15 |
| SpeedEvil | http://openstreetview.org/?lat=56.214969375361&lon=-3.1100133060217&zoom=14 | 02:15 |
| SpeedEvil | While walking - taking pics | 02:15 |
| SpeedEvil | for example - walk past a door - take pic of door | 02:15 |
| SpeedEvil | without stopping | 02:15 |
| SpeedEvil | I2C - compass | 02:16 |
| lcuk | i do that with normal cam all the time, we go places and take photos of everything | 02:16 |
| lcuk | me and tracy are shutterbugs | 02:16 |
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| lcuk | we took ~300 pictures around mini village in an afternoon :) | 02:16 |
| lindi- | lcuk: maybe you lack the audio :) | 02:17 |
| lcuk | lindi-, since I am on vnc, i lack color resolution and speed also | 02:17 |
| lindi- | lcuk: :) | 02:17 |
| lcuk | SpeedEvil, closing and opening the camera takes longer | 02:17 |
| lcuk | but I just flick the screenlock | 02:18 |
| lcuk | leaving camera on | 02:18 |
| SpeedEvil | Ideally I'd want it so I don't actually have to stop. I want to be able to walk past a door every 5m, and take pics of every door, withot stopping. | 02:18 |
| SpeedEvil | And without holding the phone all the time. | 02:18 |
| lcuk | then look into the timelapse stuff | 02:19 |
| SpeedEvil | Anyway - the lack of music with shutter open is enogh of a ultimate killer that the stock is out. | 02:19 |
| lcuk | and a headband | 02:19 |
| SpeedEvil | I was thinking pocket. | 02:19 |
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| SpeedEvil | shirtpocket | 02:19 |
| lcuk | nipple pix ftw | 02:19 |
| SpeedEvil | :) | 02:20 |
| lindi- | SpeedEvil: would a car actually be easier here? | 02:20 |
| SpeedEvil | lindi-: It depends. | 02:20 |
| SpeedEvil | lindi-: A) My car is currently broken. | 02:20 |
| lindi- | :) | 02:20 |
| lcuk | i dont think a car would fit in his shirt pocket | 02:20 |
| SpeedEvil | B) you need quite significant cameras to be able to read doornumbers from a car which may be 20m away | 02:21 |
| SpeedEvil | A moving car | 02:21 |
| SpeedEvil | I do have a design for this - but no funding. | 02:21 |
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| lcuk | wow i didnt think they used OCR to get street numbers | 02:22 |
| lcuk | more looking in the land registry | 02:22 |
| SpeedEvil | ? | 02:22 |
| lcuk | from on the go vehicles | 02:22 |
| SpeedEvil | openstreetview != streetview | 02:22 |
| SpeedEvil | One is google, the other is randoms with cameras. | 02:22 |
| lcuk | no, but what you just described | 02:22 |
| SpeedEvil | I would be quite astonished if google has not used OCR and related tech on their streetview imagery to generate maps. | 02:23 |
| SpeedEvil | Also - in the UK - there are copyright issues with the land registry. | 02:24 |
| SpeedEvil | Or at least there werre. | 02:24 |
| SpeedEvil | I mean - the land registry database is derived from ordnance survey. | 02:24 |
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| * lcuk heads to bed anyway | 02:26 | |
| SpeedEvil1 | night | 02:26 |
| lcuk | SpeedEvil, cool project ideas \o | 02:26 |
| MohammadAG | sigh, how do I display an image with pyQt? | 02:26 |
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| MohammadAG | night lcuk | 02:26 |
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| lcuk | MohammadAG, see healthcheck | 02:26 |
| lcuk | gnite | 02:27 |
| MohammadAG | healthcheck doesn't display photos... | 02:27 |
| MohammadAG | or images | 02:27 |
| MohammadAG | night | 02:27 |
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| MohammadAG | hmm, it does | 02:31 |
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| Meldiuz | hello | 02:43 |
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| Meldiuz | Does anyone what is the wifi manager? I mean what is the command to restart it? | 02:46 |
| zokier | MohammadAG, http://codepad.org/iSbIGgrK might help you? | 02:46 |
| zokier | (my first qt+python app! :)) | 02:47 |
| MohammadAG | zokier, first app here, healthcheck's code helped :) | 02:47 |
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| air | can control panel plugins be directly launched with a command? | 04:24 |
| SpeedEvil | no | 04:24 |
| SpeedEvil | they are libraries loaded by the control panel app | 04:24 |
| SpeedEvil | As I understand it. | 04:24 |
| air | i know that, just wondering if control panel has a parameter to launch them | 04:25 |
| SpeedEvil | I would wonder about dbus | 04:25 |
| SpeedEvil | I doubt it though | 04:25 |
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| MohammadAG | hmm, is there a way to keep cat-ing a file till the value in it changes? | 04:36 |
| mortini | probalby not waht you're looking for, but watch? | 04:37 |
| mortini | watch just runs whatever command over and over every x seconds | 04:37 |
| air | watch wouldnt abort | 04:38 |
| air | you could use while 1 in a script and test the file each iteration | 04:39 |
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| air | V=`cat filename` while [ 1 ]; do [ "$V" -ne "`cat filename`" ] && exit done | 04:41 |
| air | something like that | 04:42 |
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| SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: do you mean till the file changes? | 04:53 |
| MohammadAG | yes | 04:53 |
| SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: find will do that perhaps - if newer than | 04:53 |
| SpeedEvil | gnu find | 04:53 |
| MohammadAG | I need to monitor a proc entry | 04:53 |
| SpeedEvil | ah | 04:53 |
| MohammadAG | when it changes I want to send a dbus command | 04:54 |
| SpeedEvil | those aren't real files | 04:54 |
| MohammadAG | all in sh | 04:54 |
| MohammadAG | true, but they can be cat'd ;) | 04:54 |
| SpeedEvil | They don't change unless you read htem | 04:54 |
| SpeedEvil | So while, read, ... | 04:54 |
| MohammadAG | isn't there something like while `cat /proc/node` = "somevalue"; loop; else echo etc... | 04:55 |
| MohammadAG | if you get what I mean | 04:55 |
| air | <air> V=`cat filename` while [ 1 ]; do [ "$V" -ne "`cat filename`" ] && exit done | 04:55 |
| air | <air> V=`cat filename` while [ "$V" -ne "`cat filename`" ]; do sleep 1 done | 04:56 |
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| ebzzry | Does a website exists that lists available packages, for say extras-testing? | 07:33 |
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| budfive | anybody know how to submit patches to hildon? There's a gitorious web interface but I can't find a mailing list of bugzilla or anything of that nature | 07:55 |
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| air | https://bugs.maemo.org | 08:03 |
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| air | ebzzry: http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/diablo/ | 08:07 |
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| budfive | air: hildon maintainers read the main maemo bugzilla? | 08:14 |
| slonopotamus | budfive: there are hildon maintainers? | 08:16 |
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| budfive | slonopotamus: somebody pushes to the repo... | 08:18 |
| slonopotamus | budfive: http://maemo.gitorious.org/fremantle-hildon-desktop/hildon-desktop/commit/624231109e727e7b4c21c9f1a526ff191c309e5a | 08:20 |
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| budfive | slonopotamus: ok.... somebody still has commit access | 08:20 |
| budfive | slonopotamus: I don't have rights to just push into the repo. Are you saying that nobody at all does this anymore? | 08:21 |
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| slonopotamus | budfive: those few pushes that happened after that commit were from same person | 08:22 |
| slonopotamus | budfive: i guess all people who had commit access still have it | 08:22 |
| slonopotamus | "few" = 3 | 08:22 |
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| budfive | slonopotamus: ok. I'll send my patch to the maemo bugzilla, and if somebody picks it up, great. Don't have time to take over maintenance myself, sadly | 08:24 |
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| ebzzry | air: thanks | 08:38 |
| adalal | hey, i was wondering if there is a way to sync the n900 over bluetooth to evolution.. | 08:38 |
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| MiXu- | adalal: I prefer Syncml over HTTP over any type of local sync. | 08:39 |
| MiXu- | Makes things much easier | 08:40 |
| adalal | MiXu-: right, but that involves getting a 3rd party? | 08:40 |
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| MiXu- | adalal: Not unless you run the server yourself | 08:40 |
| MiXu- | Funambol server is pretty easy to setup for example | 08:41 |
| adalal | cool.. | 08:42 |
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| adalal | MiXu-: all good, but won't that mean that I'll have to create a ad-hoc network if i need to sync w/o any wireless stations present? | 08:44 |
| MiXu- | It's up to you how you want to do it as long as 1) The server is accessible from public internet and 2) the clients can access the internet | 08:45 |
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| adalal | MiXu-: im sure it can be done over local network right? | 08:52 |
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| MiXu- | adalal: Sure can, but then you're tied to that network for sync. And where's the fun in that :) | 08:53 |
| adalal | MiXu-: i wanna be able to sync on the go | 08:53 |
| adalal | on my laptop | 08:53 |
| adalal | :P | 08:53 |
| adalal | i dont have a desktop to bank on with me | 08:53 |
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| jpinx-eeepc | when I ssh into the n900 and sshfs the filesystem to a local box (my eeepc) and create a file in the micro SD card it still comes up as being owned byt the sysem user 29999 and I can not work the file over sshfs. How do I get around this? | 09:10 |
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| jpinx-eeepc | I even created a new user in the n900 and tried to use that for working over sshfs, but everything seems to revert to being owned by 29999 | 09:12 |
| spinningcompass | jpinx-eeepc: Is the micro SD card in the N900? | 09:13 |
| jpinx-eeepc | yep | 09:13 |
| ieatlint | there's likely -o mount option to override the uid | 09:13 |
| spinningcompass | ieatlint: Yes. | 09:13 |
| jpinx-eeepc | -o allow_others you think? | 09:13 |
| spinningcompass | ieatlint: -o gid=... uid=... I think. | 09:13 |
| jpinx-eeepc | ok - thanks guys - back to man sshfs ;) | 09:14 |
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| ieatlint | yeah, that looks right, although there is apparently a more advanced feature for it.. "-o idmap" | 09:14 |
| ieatlint | "-o idmap=user" seems right | 09:15 |
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| Coke | Hi. Can I remove the default email client? | 09:15 |
| ieatlint | sets the uid to that of the authenticated ssh user... basicall -o uid, but autodetecting hte right uid | 09:15 |
| jpinx-eeepc | cool - thanks - let me disentangle the mess I am in first ;) | 09:15 |
| jpinx-eeepc | too many logins... | 09:16 |
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| Coke | Or at least remove the link from the apps page? | 09:16 |
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| Coke | What email program is recommended | 09:22 |
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| Coke | Just installed claws and I cant use it with my fingers, the UI is too tiny | 09:22 |
| merlin1991 | to remove the link from the apps page just rename/remove the .desktop file | 09:22 |
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| Coke | where are the desktop files? | 09:23 |
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| Coke | In any case, there's no point in removing that email cient if I cannot find a replacement. | 09:23 |
| Coke | claws isn't really ported for a touch screen so I gotta try and find something else. | 09:24 |
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| Coke | no kinetic scrolling and must use pen will make it very cumbersome to work in claws. | 09:25 |
| daniel32708 | Guys, anyone knows a link to installing android on the n810 to run as a maemo app? The ones I have found date back to 2008...a crappy android... any help would be greatly appreciated! | 09:26 |
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| Coke | Ok, I've tried both Claws and QMF, both lack proper finger-adapted controls for quick and easy use. I cannot find any other email applications by searching for "mail" in the application manager, any suggestions? | 09:28 |
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| CreamyG | what's wrong with the default one? | 09:29 |
| Coke | It can't handle attachments properly | 09:30 |
| raster | yay! can't! | 09:30 |
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| Coke | Or some anyway. | 09:31 |
| Coke | But it's bad enough that some can't be handled. | 09:31 |
| CreamyG | can't you save them? | 09:31 |
| Coke | no | 09:31 |
| Coke | there's no menu option | 09:31 |
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| Coke | Got a support issue on it yesterday | 09:32 |
| CreamyG | that's dumb | 09:32 |
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| Coke | Yeah I know. | 09:32 |
| Coke | It's marked as "has attachment", but the menu item isnt there | 09:33 |
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| Coke | Ok, so what mail client to use then? | 09:38 |
| Coke | Is there any finger friendly replacement that can save attachments, always? | 09:38 |
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| DocScrutinizer | no | 09:38 |
| CreamyG | yeah i dunno man, i used to use claws on an n800, now i use the default | 09:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | webmailer | 09:39 |
| raster | DocScrutinizer: DOC!!!!!! | 09:39 |
| CreamyG | its slow but i never had problems | 09:39 |
| raster | DocScrutinizer: wossap? | 09:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | winter | 09:39 |
| raster | winter? | 09:39 |
| raster | a bit early fro that | 09:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah :-/ | 09:39 |
| air | claws is finger friendly, if you have small fingers :) | 09:39 |
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| Coke | Hmm. | 09:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | I had warmer xmas | 09:40 |
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| raster | sudden weather change over in de? | 09:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | not so sudden, seems since a month or so now | 09:41 |
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| raster | really? | 09:41 |
| raster | weird | 09:41 |
| raster | been warm and stuff here | 09:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | Juli was hot like hell, Aug is more winter than summer | 09:42 |
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| jpinx-eeepc | hot here :) | 09:43 |
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| raster | i'd rather freeze than sweat :) | 09:46 |
| raster | freezi ng can be solved with some vigorous activity | 09:46 |
| raster | :) | 09:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer | raster: is there also a R's parcel service next to bank of R? | 09:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | raster: DHL is too daft to get a package from HEL to Moscow | 09:54 |
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| Coke | I dont understand why it can detect the attachment, but won't add any menu to save it. | 09:55 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Coke: maybe this is related to the code? | 09:55 |
| Coke | What code? | 09:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | the program code | 09:55 |
| Coke | Yes, ofcourse it is. | 09:56 |
| Coke | It's a bug. :) | 09:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes, that's what it's usually called :-P | 09:56 |
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| Coke | I'm just amazed to find it | 09:57 |
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| Coke | It's 2010, rfc 822 and 2045 have been around for quite a while | 09:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | iirc it's been lingering around since 1.0 alias "I noticed some attachment bug in Dec 2009" | 09:58 |
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| CreamyG | opening attachments is probably patented by apple or microsoft or something | 09:59 |
| Coke | Well, it makes the entire client unusable for me since it's important that I can save upload the attachments | 09:59 |
| Coke | CreamyG: no, these things have been standard for ages | 09:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | It just hit me for mails sent by iPhone | 09:59 |
| mece | I get all warm and cuddly when I read about meego for n900 progress. | 09:59 |
| * mece hugs Stskeeps | 09:59 | |
| Coke | DocScrutinizer: same problem? | 10:00 |
| CreamyG | that doesn't mean it's not patented lol. i'm kidding but seriously lots of email stuff is patented | 10:00 |
| Coke | rfc 822 and mime is not patented | 10:00 |
| Coke | It's been around since 1982 | 10:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | A friend sent me some dunnowhat from his iPhone, and the mail's attachment wasn't accessible | 10:00 |
| CreamyG | yeah but all they do is reword it to "method for" xxxxx "on a portable device" and they get a patent | 10:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer | lemme see if I can spot the mail | 10:01 |
| CreamyG | nokia won't display the new emails on our email widget due to "legal issues" for example | 10:01 |
| CreamyG | i bet their lawyers are afraid of something | 10:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer | CreamyG: wut? | 10:04 |
| Coke | Could you find the actual bug report? | 10:05 |
| Coke | I'm not sure what to search on | 10:05 |
| CreamyG | uhh sure, its kinda funny. i get emails from it every few weeks. | 10:06 |
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| Coke | like "email attachment broken" ? | 10:06 |
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| CreamyG | no its for the widget that is useless that they don't want to fix due to "legal issues" | 10:07 |
| CreamyG | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10294 | 10:07 |
| povbot | Bug 10294: Email desktop widget does not display mails from Nokia Messaging accounts | 10:07 |
| Coke | CreamyG: no thats not it at all | 10:09 |
| Coke | not even close | 10:09 |
| CreamyG | well i never said it was | 10:09 |
| Coke | Sorry, thought you were responding there | 10:10 |
| Coke | public standards since 1982, they cant make it happen | 10:12 |
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| CreamyG | well, i would file a new bug report | 10:13 |
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| CreamyG | they might actually fix it | 10:14 |
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| Coke | Haha! | 10:15 |
| Coke | Well, looks like I cannot receive any attachments from any Apple product. | 10:16 |
| Coke | So, who isn't complying with standards, Apple or Nokia? | 10:16 |
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| CreamyG | it's probably the government, reading all the emails and assembling them back together wrong | 10:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | ok, multipart-related:[HTML-document; JPEG] doesn't show the jpeg picture "embedded" into the html code | 10:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | Content-Type: multipart/alternative; | 10:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | boundary=Apple-Mail-1-245749344 | 10:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit | 10:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (7D11) | 10:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | Mime-Version: 1.0 (iPhone Mail 7D11) | 10:18 |
| Coke | DocScrutinizer: actually | 10:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | sending a photo per mail was/is failing at least up to PR1.1.1 | 10:19 |
| Coke | I had another mail from a mac with PNG's | 10:19 |
| Coke | it would show the PNG's but I couldnt save them as attachmetns | 10:19 |
| Coke | I think the Maemo mail client is just buggy as a mofo | 10:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | --Apple-Mail-1-245749344 | 10:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | Content-Type: text/plain; | 10:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | charset=us-ascii; | 10:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | format=flowed | 10:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit | 10:20 |
| Coke | Since it worked fine in the other clietns. | 10:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | --Apple-Mail-1-245749344 | 10:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | Content-Type: multipart/related; | 10:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | boundary=Apple-Mail-2-245749359; | 10:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | type="text/html" | 10:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit | 10:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | ... | 10:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | --Apple-Mail-2-245749359 | 10:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | Content-Type: text/html; | 10:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | charset=utf-8 | 10:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit | 10:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | ... | 10:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | --Apple-Mail-2-245749359 | 10:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | Content-Disposition: inline; | 10:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | filename=Foto.jpg | 10:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 | 10:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | Content-Type: image/jpeg; | 10:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | name=Foto.jpg | 10:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | FAIL | 10:22 |
| air | http://sse2.net/rotate/ -- is that the most current way to enable rotation? | 10:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer | No, N900 has even more current ways :-/ Could you ask better questions please? | 10:26 |
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| air | doesnt n900 come with rotation? :) | 10:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer | no | 10:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I'm absolutely sure this Q wasn't better than the prev one | 10:30 |
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| hrw|gone | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eq3CuMDXaPs | 10:35 |
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| hrw | moirning | 10:35 |
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| sobczyk | hi is there any software to track distance to inputted gps coordinate? | 10:44 |
| sobczyk | but without any maps | 10:44 |
| sobczyk | input a coordinate (or a set) and the phone to track how far (and direction if possible) is the first destination point | 10:45 |
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| flux | has anyone compiled Darcs for n900? | 10:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer | afaik Ovi Maps is doing that, though with maps | 10:51 |
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| sobczyk | i know software that does it with maps | 10:51 |
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| sobczyk | I just want the maps part stripped, since I have no connectivity | 10:52 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I thought no connectivity would strip the maps part automatically ;-D | 10:52 |
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| sobczyk | yes, but the software often complains to connect | 10:52 |
| dr34m | morn | 10:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | also probably it's impossible to define POS/waypoints by lat/lon | 10:53 |
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| DocScrutinizer | anyway for all the maps apps there's some method or another to dl all map tiles and use local cache only, so no need for connectivity then | 10:55 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 11:04 |
| lcuk | Morning Jaffa, rest of rabble \o | 11:05 |
| [DarkGUNMAN-Ext] | morning... | 11:05 |
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| [DarkGUNMAN-Ext] | i prefer afternoon.. more sleep needed | 11:06 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | moo lcuk | 11:06 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | moo Jaffa | 11:07 |
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| lcuk | ok Maemo, we have a problem. can someone please confirm that Maemo can multitask better than a piffly Nokia E5 :P | 11:12 |
| lcuk | http://mobilegeekinc.mobstac.com/2010/09/04/nokia-e5-breaks-world-multitasking-record/ | 11:12 |
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| Jaffa | "World multitasking record"? | 11:12 |
| lcuk | thats what I thought | 11:12 |
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| lcuk | only 74 apps | 11:12 |
| lcuk | I bet we can beat that with different app instances easily | 11:13 |
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| dani_zai | hi there ...i hv some stupid Qs to ask about my N900....if anyone wants to help ...pls PM me THX!! | 11:13 |
| merlin1991 | hm was it ~question or ~ask? | 11:14 |
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| valdyn | dani_zai: just ask here, dont limit your audience | 11:15 |
| dani_zai | i got my N900 yesterday ...and just now i was searching for apps | 11:15 |
| dani_zai | and then i downloaded them to my PC | 11:16 |
| dani_zai | but i donno how to install them to my phone | 11:16 |
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| dani_zai | i cant open the file | 11:16 |
| merlin1991 | is it a .deb? | 11:16 |
| valdyn | dani_zai: delete the files on your pc, use the n900 app manager or ovi fromt he n900 | 11:16 |
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| dani_zai | ic...i thought i can install them from the PC | 11:17 |
| dani_zai | stupid me =.= | 11:17 |
| valdyn | dani_zai: you *can* but its harder than what I just recommended | 11:17 |
| dani_zai | ok ...thx for the help!!! | 11:18 |
| dani_zai | ^_^V | 11:18 |
| merlin1991 | not that hard if it's .deb files, copy them over in mass storage mode, unplug phone, and open in file manager | 11:18 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | merlin1991: both | 11:19 |
| dani_zai | ok | 11:19 |
| valdyn | and fix dependencies if needed and fix repositories if its needed and.. | 11:19 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ~question | 11:19 |
| infobot | from memory, question is If you have a question and want people to give useful answers, make sure you have read this first: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html | 11:19 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ~ask | 11:19 |
| infobot | Questions in the channel should be specific, informative, complete, concise, and on-topic. Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Don't ask if a person is there; just ask what you intended to ask them. Better questions more frequently yield better answers. We are all here voluntarily or against our will. | 11:19 |
| Jaffa | dneary: Thanks for picking up my point about community work duplication in a much more eloquent way (I tend not to quote Benedictus de Spinosza ;-)) | 11:19 |
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| dneary | Jaffa, I had to look up who said it :) | 11:19 |
| dneary | It was supposed to be Spinoza, did I spell it wrong? | 11:20 |
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| Jaffa | dneary: You had an extra S. I wonder if anyone will complain ;-) | 11:20 |
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| dneary | Jaffa, It doesn't shock | 11:20 |
| dneary | so perhaps not | 11:20 |
| dneary | And who knows, maybe it's a valid alternative spelling :) | 11:21 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | lcuk: what? fire up 100+ apps then screenshot top or what's all that about? | 11:21 |
| jo-erlend | does anybody know of a widget that shows if computers are up or down based on ping? That would be nice, I think. | 11:21 |
| dneary | Jaffa, It's always the same, though - professional organisers don't like to leave wires hanging | 11:21 |
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| dneary | You don't feel comfortable when you say "I need someone to make sure that X happens, I'm not going to do it - let me know" | 11:22 |
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| dneary | (at the core is a basic belief that you can't trust the community to just make things happen, and this belief is often proved correct) | 11:22 |
| dneary | However, if you do it right, great things can happen | 11:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer | lcuk: I'd happily do a `for (( i=0; i<100; i++ )); do someshittyapp&; done` and screenshot the htop header, but honestly - I don't see any way to answer that nonsense on http://mobilegeekinc.mobstac.com/2010/09/04/nokia-e5-breaks-world-multitasking-record/ | 11:30 |
| jpinx-eeepc | I just loaded lots of .mp3s into a folder I made in MyDocs, but how do I get the media player to play them? | 11:31 |
| kerio | jpinx-eeepc: wait for tracker to get off his lazy ass and index them | 11:31 |
| jpinx-eeepc | :) | 11:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer | lcuk: hell, I'm even willing to `/etc/init.d/dbus-scripting start` XD - and snapshot htop showing 900+ processes | 11:32 |
| kerio | while he's doing that, expect the cpu to become fully used and your n900 to be unresponsive | 11:32 |
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| BCMM | jpinx-eeepc: if you're in a hurry, you can open them from the file manager | 11:32 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer: lol | 11:32 |
| lcuk | DocScrutinizer, impossible. | 11:33 |
| jpinx-eeepc | nah - not desperaate - I'll leave it overnight to index, etc | 11:33 |
| kerio | not sure how they define "applications" | 11:33 |
| lcuk | we just have to face it, the E5 is better at multitasking than the N900 | 11:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | ninehundered! Mobilegeekinc take THAT! | 11:33 |
| kerio | lcuk: .< | 11:33 |
| kerio | er | 11:33 |
| kerio | :< | 11:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | E5, eat it! | 11:34 |
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| DocScrutinizer | jpinx-eeepc: install load applet!! watch CPU usage. When tracker finished and CPU going down from 100% to a reasonable low number, probably tracker has finished his friggin indexing and mediaplayer is ready to show/play your media | 11:37 |
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| DocScrutinizer | maemo6 MUST have load applet by default! | 11:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~2119 | 11:37 |
| infobot | The key words "MUST", "MUST NOT", "REQUIRED", "SHALL", "SHALL NOT", "SHOULD", "SHOULD NOT", "RECOMMENDED", "MAY", and "OPTIONAL" in this document are to be interpreted as described in RFC 2119. | 11:37 |
| jpinx-eeepc | DocScrutinizer: ok thanks | 11:38 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer: or use tracker-status | 11:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | burrrrp | 11:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | all I use that matches *tracker* is `killall trackerd` | 11:39 |
| kerio | lol | 11:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer | should try `apt-get remove tracker` eventually | 11:41 |
| kerio | pretty sure the media player depends on it | 11:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | bah, purge that crap as well XP | 11:41 |
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| kerio | i'd use canola but it's ugly | 11:43 |
| kerio | and i'm not sure if it supports the bluetooth media keys | 11:43 |
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| lcuk | kerio, i believe canola said it thinks you are ugly too | 11:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | btw my prev statement was a lie. A `history|grep track` shows "mcedit .config/tracker/tracker.cfg" | 11:45 |
| kerio | lcuk: I AM BEAUTIFUL, NO MATTER WHAT THEY SAY | 11:45 |
| kerio | WORDS CAN'T BRING ME DOWN | 11:45 |
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| ieatlint | then you must be pretty autistic | 11:45 |
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| kerio | nah, words - especially loud words - can bring autistics down quickly | 11:46 |
| ieatlint | autistic kids rock | 11:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmmm | 11:46 |
| kerio | sure, in their chair | 11:47 |
| ieatlint | yeah, it's an awesome t-shirt | 11:47 |
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| * DocScrutinizer starts rocking in his chair | 11:47 | |
| kerio | i'd start rocking but i'm laying down on the couch | 11:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | *COUGH* >>GNU bash, Version 4.0.33(1)-release (i586-suse-linux-gnu)<< >>GNU bash, version 2.05b.0(1)-release (arm-unknown-linux-gnueabi)<< | 11:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer | looks like maemo-bash is a *TAD* out of date | 11:51 |
| soltys | yeap, 3.2 is quite old ;) | 11:52 |
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| DocScrutinizer | 3.2?? 2.05b.0(1) !!! WTF!? | 11:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~lart bash-maintainer | 11:53 |
| * infobot executes killall -TERM bash-maintainer | 11:53 | |
| soltys | hm 3.2 is in extras or sth like that iirc | 11:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | killall bash-maintainer: error: no process to kill | 11:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | err | 11:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | killall: bash-maintainer: no process killed | 11:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | more like: | 11:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~seen bash-maintainer | 11:55 |
| infobot | i haven't seen 'bash-maintainer', DocScrutinizer | 11:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's more to the point | 11:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | soltys: yeah, heard something like pkg-name: bash3 | 11:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | thought it's the *old* version X-P | 11:57 |
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| DocScrutinizer | bash2.05 GAH!!! HELL FIRE AND BRIMSTONE!!!! BURN!!! DIE!!! MWAHAHAHAHA!!!! | 11:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | to use diction of debian | 11:58 |
| soltys | DocScrutinizer: bash3 3.2.33(2)-release (arm-unknown-linux-gnu) .. | 11:58 |
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| soltys | ;) | 11:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer | will apt-get install bash3 kick out that friggin ol bash2.05? | 12:01 |
| merlin1991 | searching for "GAH!!! HELL FIRE AND BRIMSTONE!!!! BURN!!! DIE!!! MWAHAHAHAHA!!!!" on google gives several irclogpages from this channel as result :D | 12:01 |
| alterego | check it's details, it should if the package name is the same "bash" | 12:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | package name is bash3 | 12:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | though the executable should be bash | 12:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | so conflict with bash pkg | 12:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer | The following packages have unmet dependencies: | 12:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | bash3: Conflicts: bash | 12:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | mp-fremantle-generic-pr: Depends: hildon-desktop (= 1:2.2.138-1+0m5) but 1:2.2.142-1 is to be installed | 12:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | first OK, but WTF for #2?! | 12:04 |
| johnx | apt-cache policy hildon-desktop | 12:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | err policy? | 12:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | (apt noob here) | 12:05 |
| johnx | it should tell you about the candidates to install for that package | 12:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | FSCK!!! I installed the HD with bugfix, from mohammad repo | 12:06 |
| johnx | one candidate is the one already installed. another candidate may be available from some repo. apt-cache policy $pkg tells you which version of $pkg from which repo will be installed | 12:06 |
| merlin1991 | another apt-noob question, apt tells me there are 18 packets to upgrade, how do I let it list the names? | 12:06 |
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| johnx | merlin1991: apt-get upgrade should tell you ... | 12:06 |
| merlin1991 | and goes straight ahead doing the upgrades :/ | 12:07 |
| johnx | eep! | 12:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | what's that been? --force-install? | 12:07 |
| johnx | that's not right ... | 12:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG51: PING | 12:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~lart bash3-maintainer | 12:08 |
| * infobot beats bash3-maintainer into protomatter with the andromeda galaxy | 12:08 | |
| johnx | merlin1991: apt-get upgrade should always prompt unless you use apt-get upgrade -y or something ... | 12:08 |
| merlin1991 | I guess I'm unlucky :D | 12:09 |
| merlin1991 | also I still haven't figured out when apt-get install x promts me and when not | 12:09 |
| _trine | can anyone tell what the differences if any exists between board revistion 2101, 2104 and 2204 | 12:09 |
| Khertan_ | Morning everyone ! | 12:09 |
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| johnx | merlin1991: if you somehow hit enter twice when running apt-get upgrade, the second enter will accept the default answer which is yes. does it print the prompt at all on apt-get upgrade ? (Do you want to continue [Y/n]?) | 12:10 |
| merlin1991 | normally yes, but sometimes not | 12:11 |
| johnx | uhm, as for when apt-get install prompts. I'm *pretty sure* it prompts when it has to change the state of packages besides the one you asked for to install the package you wanted | 12:11 |
| johnx | ie, it has to get dependencies, or deal with a conflict | 12:11 |
| merlin1991 | what would be the best way, to get the size of the package without installing? | 12:12 |
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| djszapi | Will this Maemo 6 / Harmattan come with Qt UI solution instead of the 'old' Hildon / GTK ? | 12:12 |
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| johnx | merlin1991: well you can at least tell it -d for download only | 12:18 |
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| johnx | doesn't help if you're worried about using up your data plan though | 12:18 |
| johnx | anyways, gotta get some sleep | 12:18 |
| johnx | 2:18AM here O_o; | 12:18 |
| merlin1991 | :D | 12:18 |
| merlin1991 | night | 12:18 |
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| Milo- | anyone know how to access the sqlite database where n900 keeps its alarms? or calendar entries? | 12:25 |
| merlin1991 | afaik you can call sqlite in xterm | 12:26 |
| merlin1991 | s/te/te3/ | 12:26 |
| infobot | merlin1991 meant: afaik you can call sqlite3 in xterm | 12:26 |
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| Milo- | '.tables' shows nothing :/ | 12:28 |
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| Milo- | I might need a file as well | 12:29 |
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| Milo- | well can't find the database I'm looking for | 12:31 |
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| Khertan_ | I'm looking for a qt expert to help me : I got some problem with QStyledItemDelegate on a QListView. Specially the size hint. When my window rotate (on maemo) sizeHint isn't called again and the height isn't enought due to text wrap ... how can i force the resize to call sizeHint ? what is strange is that everything is well resized, text well wrapped but height for the row keep the same height than when i was using 800x480 windows | 12:32 |
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| Khertan_ | Milo-: sqlite /home/user/.calendar/calendardb | 12:39 |
| Milo- | Khertan_ bah, looked for .sqlite :) | 12:39 |
| Khertan_ | :) | 12:39 |
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| Milo- | assuming I can modify that by hand, will those new alarms still be triggered if the phone is off, or is there another system for that? | 12:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | Milo-: check alarmed pkg | 12:51 |
| Milo- | DocScrutinizer Will do. | 12:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | Milo-: unrelated to calendar, but nice alarms | 12:52 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Milo-: calendar probably also using alarmd lib, like alarmed (with 'e') app does | 12:54 |
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| Milo- | probably alarm daemon | 13:00 |
| Milo- | DocScrutinizer is it in extras, -testing or -devel? | 13:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer | dunno, sorry | 13:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | Milo-: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=46594 | 13:04 |
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| Milo- | thanks | 13:16 |
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| Myrtti | *yawn* | 13:32 |
| MNZ | good morning #maemo! | 13:32 |
| merlin1991 | morning | 13:33 |
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| MNZ | I've been flashing the kernel several times in a row, trying new code. Now whatever I do (even restoring the original kernel) the device boots, the loading dots appear, the charging led sequence starts, then black screen... | 13:58 |
| MNZ | and it keeps charging | 13:58 |
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| DocScrutinizer | umm | 14:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | time for a full combined fiasco flash? | 14:17 |
| merlin1991 | hm any way to enanble the fm transmitter when connected over usb? | 14:17 |
| MNZ | :( but wwwhhhhyyy? I didn't DO anything.... | 14:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer | merlin1991: check jacekowski's fm* pkg, it should enable this | 14:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer | afaik | 14:18 |
| merlin1991 | in devel or where? | 14:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | MNZ: no idea, maybe the kernels did something | 14:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer | merlin1991: I don't know, someone else here should have better advise | 14:19 |
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| merlin1991 | doh | 14:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: ping | 14:19 |
| jo-erlend | is there only one contact list in maemo? I'd like to have more than one and to choose which one to synchronize with my desktop. | 14:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | N/A | 14:20 |
| kerio | merlin1991: no packages | 14:21 |
| kerio | jacekowski.org will have everything you need | 14:21 |
| MNZ | meh full flash, it works. I just have no idea why. frig. | 14:21 |
| jo-erlend | DocScrutinizer, was that to me? | 14:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | yup | 14:21 |
| jo-erlend | DocScrutinizer, elaborate please? | 14:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | Not Available | 14:22 |
| merlin1991 | let's see if I break somehting :D | 14:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | MNZ: :-D | 14:22 |
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| jo-erlend | oh. I wonder why. It uses a standard evolution-data-server, doesn't it? | 14:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | MNZ: just a silly question: you removed batery, so occasional PMU (twl4030) lockups could reset? | 14:23 |
| MNZ | DocScrutinizer, yes | 14:24 |
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| MNZ | DocScrutinizer, why? | 14:26 |
| merlin1991 | replaced the binary and now I get failed to change fmtx state :/ | 14:27 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | thought it might cure the problem | 14:27 |
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| MNZ | oh well... I spent last night debugging my code.... stripped it apart... all for no reason :'( | 14:28 |
| sobczyk | is there a is there a python wrapper for liblocation? | 14:28 |
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| merlin1991 | the hacked binary didn't work :/ | 14:34 |
| merlin1991 | using it disabled the fm transmitter completely | 14:34 |
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| merlin1991 | I reverted back to the original | 14:36 |
| lizardo | sobczyk: python-location | 14:37 |
| lizardo | sobczyk: http://wiki.maemo.org/PyMaemo/Using_Location_API | 14:37 |
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| kerio | merlin1991: you're lying | 14:42 |
| merlin1991 | kerio, no | 14:42 |
| kerio | yes | 14:42 |
| merlin1991 | as soon as I used the hacked binary I got errors | 14:42 |
| merlin1991 | shall I ss them for you ? :P | 14:42 |
| MNZ | hrmmm I blew it up again.... I have a feeling I'm generating fiasco images in a wrong way....... but it's the same script that I've always used | 14:44 |
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| MNZ | "fiasco-gen -o /home/mnzaki/devel/kernel/zImage.fiasco -g -k arch/arm/boot/zImage" <--- is something wrong with this? | 14:48 |
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| MNZ | :@ | 14:55 |
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| MNZ | did anyone know that if you have a fiasco image and use "fiasco-gen -o" over the same file it fscks up the system when you flash it????????? | 14:55 |
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| mikki-kun | g | 14:58 |
| mikki-kun | sorry, my network kinda lagged badly :/ | 14:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | MNZ: uh? So it needs a nonexistent destination or what do you mean to say? | 15:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | MNZ: (sorry, never used fiasco-gen) | 15:03 |
| MNZ | DocScrutinizer, yes :@ :@ :@ I don't know what it tries to do when the file already exists, but it clears fsks the rootfs when I flash an image generated this way | 15:03 |
| MNZ | s/clears/clearly/ | 15:04 |
| infobot | MNZ meant: DocScrutinizer, yes :@ :@ :@ I don't know what it tries to do when the file already exists, but it clearly fsks the rootfs when I flash an image generated this way | 15:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm, so at least you found the root cause of your problems :-D | 15:04 |
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| MNZ | I spent a friggin night debugging this. WTF | 15:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | not nice | 15:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer | file a ticket against fiasco-gen; attach a hotfix: a shellscript called fiasco-gen to go to local/bin that rm's the image prior to calling original fiasco-gen | 15:07 |
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| tuliobaars | hey, man | 15:22 |
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| pigeon | what's the color depth on the n900 (for GLES if that matters)? | 16:07 |
| oscillik | it's 3 colours deep | 16:08 |
| oscillik | it's deeper than water | 16:08 |
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| merlin1991 | :D | 16:09 |
| pigeon | heh, 16bit per pixel is it? | 16:10 |
| Wolfie | oscillik: i'm sorry, but you're awfully wrong. I've seen waters that is more than three colors | 16:10 |
| Wolfie | is = has | 16:10 |
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| oscillik | you sir, are a charlatan and a deciever | 16:10 |
| Wolfie | lies, again! | 16:11 |
| Wolfie | oscillik is making up wild stories | 16:11 |
| Wolfie | accusations, even | 16:12 |
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| kerio | ooh, that Nokia U is pretty sweet | 16:16 |
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| kerio | i wonder if people think before talking | 16:16 |
| kerio | how can you add optical zoom but not a keyboard | 16:16 |
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| Khertan_ | RAAHAHAHAHA HAHHA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHH QT4 QPIXMAP DOESN'T SUPPORT GIF ON MAEMO ! | 16:34 |
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| mortini | hah | 16:36 |
| h4xordood | heyo :) folks how are you all here ? | 16:36 |
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| crashanddie | Khertan_: "But gif is proprietary!" | 16:50 |
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| mortini | so is qt :) | 16:53 |
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| SpeedEvil | QT is probably old enough that GIF was patented when it was being designed | 16:55 |
| SpeedEvil | the patent rrran out in 2003? | 16:55 |
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| mortini | i thought it was before that, but, yeah. | 16:58 |
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| MohammadAG | X-Fade, ping | 17:00 |
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| X-Fade | MohammadAG: pong | 17:01 |
| MohammadAG | X-Fade, I remember you told me the autobuilder doesn't have outside access right? | 17:01 |
| MohammadAG | does it have access to *maemo.org? | 17:01 |
| X-Fade | MohammadAG: To the repository machine. | 17:02 |
| MohammadAG | so can I wget a source? | 17:03 |
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| X-Fade | MohammadAG: Technically yes, but that really is bad design. | 17:03 |
| MohammadAG | X-Fade, it's better than include binaries in the source package I guess... | 17:03 |
| X-Fade | mortini: You should always include everything you need in your source package. | 17:03 |
| MohammadAG | including* | 17:04 |
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| MohammadAG | X-Fade, I won't include a whole kernel source in my package, for obvious reasons | 17:04 |
| X-Fade | Hmm tab-foo. | 17:04 |
| X-Fade | MohammadAG: What are you trying to do? | 17:04 |
| MohammadAG | titan has kernel-power-source disabled from debian/rules | 17:04 |
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| MohammadAG | build modules against kernel sources | 17:04 |
| X-Fade | MohammadAG: Get him to fix that then? | 17:04 |
| X-Fade | MohammadAG: It is stupid to work around things like that. | 17:05 |
| MohammadAG | I pm'd him yesterday, no reply yet and I need to release the app now | 17:05 |
| X-Fade | Always a wasted effort and it really doesn't scale. | 17:05 |
| X-Fade | MohammadAG: Patience grasshopper. | 17:05 |
| MohammadAG | X-Fade, can't, I announced the release as yesterday and delayed it cause of this :) | 17:06 |
| X-Fade | MohammadAG: Then you should have thought about it more before opening your mouth :) | 17:06 |
| MohammadAG | also, ENDED 2010-08-10 10:09 | 17:06 |
| MohammadAG | so he's pretty much disappeared | 17:06 |
| X-Fade | Clearly bad planning. | 17:06 |
| mortini | X-Fade: eh? | 17:07 |
| X-Fade | Well or he doesn't think it is stable enough. Or doesn't want it in Extras. | 17:07 |
| X-Fade | mortini: Sorry tab completion.. | 17:07 |
| mortini | ah,ok | 17:07 |
| MohammadAG | X-Fade, can the autobuilder fetch sources using apt-get source | 17:08 |
| Jaffa | Yay, MWKN's Twitter feed is back | 17:09 |
| X-Fade | Jaffa: Check out stats in download per repo. | 17:09 |
| MohammadAG | LOL http://www.engadget.com/2010/09/09/apples-app-store-review-guidelines-we-dont-need-any-more-far/ | 17:10 |
| Jaffa | X-Fade: URL? | 17:10 |
| X-Fade | Jaffa: Any app in downloads. | 17:10 |
| MohammadAG | "We have over 250,000 apps in the App Store. We don't need any more Fart apps." lmfao | 17:10 |
| X-Fade | MohammadAG: Yes it should. | 17:10 |
| Jaffa | X-Fade: Hmm, something happened in August which meant more people got stuff from Extras-devel than Extras: http://maemo.org/downloads/product/Maemo5/catorise/# | 17:12 |
| Jaffa | X-Fade: Blog post I can link to? | 17:12 |
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| X-Fade | Jaffa: In the airport atm :) Had some time to hack on it while waiting on the plane :) | 17:13 |
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| Jaffa | X-Fade: Cool :-) | 17:13 |
| frals | oh cool, per repo stats! | 17:13 |
| X-Fade | Jaffa: But the extras devel growth in downloads, I can't explain. It is not for every package in extras-devel. | 17:13 |
| * frals needs to update fmms_stats.py | 17:13 | |
| X-Fade | Jaffa: Some packages even got lower downloads. So it is not some form of heavy mirroring. | 17:14 |
| Jaffa | frals: Willing to share for people to get extras_stats.py? | 17:14 |
| Jaffa | X-Fade: Does seem common with vim, hermes & catorise FWIW | 17:14 |
| frals | Jaffa: heh, sure, it really just adds the numbers together and prints a total ;) | 17:14 |
| Jaffa | frals: Saves me having to do it :-p | 17:14 |
| X-Fade | Jaffa: Yeah, can fapman be the cause? | 17:15 |
| X-Fade | Jaffa: Does it prefer one repo over the other, the other way around? | 17:15 |
| Jaffa | X-Fade: Does it enable -devel by default? | 17:15 |
| MohammadAG | X-Fade, if that works then it's already solved, cd /usr/src && apt-get source kernel-power && cd cd kernel-power-2.6.28 && for x in `cat debian/patches/series | grep -v "#"`; do patch -p1 <debian/patches/$x; done && make -j $(NJOBS) EXTRAVERSION=.10power40 bzImage | 17:15 |
| Jaffa | X-Fade: HAM will go for highest version | 17:15 |
| MohammadAG | typo, double cds | 17:15 |
| X-Fade | Jaffa: Yes, but if the versions are the same? | 17:16 |
| Jaffa | X-Fade: Oh, interesting. | 17:16 |
| Jaffa | X-Fade: Good question | 17:16 |
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| X-Fade | Jaffa: The jump amount is not the same for all apps at least. So it almost has to be some manual install thing. | 17:17 |
| frals | Jaffa: ill link it on twitter once ive updated it for this new brilliant feature :-) | 17:17 |
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| X-Fade | Jaffa: But the jump starts at Aug 2. | 17:17 |
| X-Fade | frals: d1,2,3 now. | 17:17 |
| X-Fade | Ok, time to get some personal space. People are gathering here to board their plane. | 17:18 |
| kerio | Khertan_: why would you use gif over png | 17:18 |
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| X-Fade | I guess I should board too :) | 17:18 |
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| seif | hey guys | 17:19 |
| Noobmonk3y | \me waves | 17:19 |
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| seif | one of our devs is having a issue installing the maemo sdk | 17:19 |
| seif | who can i ask | 17:19 |
| * Noobmonk3y waves even | 17:19 | |
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| seif | when we run ./maemo-sdk-install_5.0.sh | 17:19 |
| seif | we get | 17:19 |
| Noobmonk3y | lol seif join the queueue! hehehe, | 17:19 |
| seif | DISPLAY already set. | 17:19 |
| seif | Installation environment already set. | 17:19 |
| seif | Added debconf frontend setting in scratchbox. | 17:19 |
| seif | Error opening terminal: xterm. | 17:19 |
| Noobmonk3y | oooo not seen that error b4! | 17:20 |
| Noobmonk3y | lcuk u alive? | 17:20 |
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| Noobmonk3y | thought i'd give you a giggle, just finished a 3hour presentation on open source benefits surround our website, and a new way forward, good news is i didnt get beaten out of the room!!! | 17:21 |
| Noobmonk3y | bacon! | 17:21 |
| kerio | Noobmonk3y: hold on | 17:21 |
| Noobmonk3y | lol! | 17:21 |
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| Noobmonk3y | was aiming at the orther baconite, but afternoon to you too!! | 17:22 |
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| kerio | hmm... was BaconBacon banned while i wasn't looking? | 17:22 |
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| Noobmonk3y | lol | 17:22 |
| kerio | it was :( | 17:22 |
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| Noobmonk3y | awwww pity | 17:22 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer: how could you | 17:22 |
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| Khertan_ | kerio: because twitter profile image are in gif | 17:23 |
| Khertan_ | at least some | 17:23 |
| frals | X-Fade: have a safe flight :) | 17:23 |
| Jaffa | X-Fade: Big jump in fapman downloads on August 2nd: http://maemo.org/downloads/product/Maemo5/fapman/ | 17:23 |
| Khertan_ | hopefully i should be able to convert it using PIL | 17:24 |
| frals | Jaffa: didnt the n900 launch somewhere around end of july? | 17:24 |
| Jaffa | frals: India, around then IIRC | 17:24 |
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| kerio | PIL is awesome | 17:25 |
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| Jaffa | frals: Went on sale June 9th, AFAICT. So probably not that | 17:26 |
| seif | guys | 17:26 |
| seif | -.- | 17:26 |
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| Noobmonk3y | lol | 17:28 |
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| frals | Jaffa: probably not :) | 17:28 |
| frals | ello Noobmonk3y | 17:28 |
| RST38h | moo all | 17:28 |
| * frals slaps a trout with Noobmonk3y | 17:28 | |
| frals | o/ RST38h | 17:29 |
| Noobmonk3y | hey hey!!!! | 17:29 |
| Noobmonk3y | :) | 17:29 |
| Noobmonk3y | u 2 both having a gd day? | 17:29 |
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| frals | had better but not bad! | 17:30 |
| frals | hows u? | 17:30 |
| Noobmonk3y | at work :( pooooooo | 17:30 |
| Noobmonk3y | will be back on irc tonight though!!! yay! | 17:31 |
| frals | im at work as well but im not complaining! | 17:31 |
| Khertan_ | gniééé qpixmap isn't able to load this jpeg too http://a2.twimg.com/profile_images/480017982/twitterProfilePhoto_normal.jpg | 17:31 |
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| Noobmonk3y | lolcat, would rather your job... mine is pants atm | 17:32 |
| Noobmonk3y | a move to finland also sounds fun! | 17:32 |
| Jaffa | Khertan_: I found with Hermes that there are random Twitter images which are corrupted | 17:32 |
| frals | Noobmonk3y: not that i mind living here, but i can imagine more fun places to move :D | 17:33 |
| seif | MohammadAG, u therE? | 17:34 |
| Jaffa | Khertan_: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7248 and see avatar for http://twitter.com/vegyraupe | 17:34 |
| povbot | Bug 7248: aborts when Image.open is given non-image data | 17:34 |
| Noobmonk3y | brighton or finland..... lol | 17:34 |
| MohammadAG | seif, yeah? | 17:35 |
| seif | MohammadAG, can u help me with instlaling the sdk | 17:35 |
| seif | i have an issue here | 17:35 |
| Khertan_ | Jaffa: but they display well on chrome :) | 17:36 |
| MohammadAG | sure | 17:36 |
| seif | ./maemo-sdk-install_5.0.sh | 17:37 |
| seif | i get | 17:37 |
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| seif | Press Enter to accept (Crtl+C to cancel). | 17:37 |
| seif | DISPLAY already set. | 17:37 |
| seif | Installation environment already set. | 17:37 |
| seif | Added debconf frontend setting in scratchbox. | 17:37 |
| seif | Error opening terminal: xterm. | 17:37 |
| MNZ | Has anyone actually used flasher to load a kernel on the fly? | 17:39 |
| MNZ | I mean load and boot a kernel without actually flashing it | 17:39 |
| Termana | MNZ, yes | 17:40 |
| MNZ | Termana, how? I've been trying and it doesn't seem to work. It gets to the five loading dots then black screen | 17:41 |
| MNZ | that means kernel actually booted, but init failed | 17:41 |
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| Khertan_ | MNZ: i ve tryed ... but didn't seems to work for me | 17:41 |
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| Termana | MNZ, are you sure you have the modules there for your kernel, and that the kernel is actually a working kernel? | 17:42 |
| Termana | It definitely works, I done it when I loaded up MeeGo | 17:42 |
| MNZ | I tried by just using the command as --help suggests, and when I googled I only found any mention of this on a meego wiki | 17:43 |
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| MNZ | I think there are some args I need to pass to the kernel maybe? | 17:43 |
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| Termana | MNZ, not as long as you have set the defaults right in the kernel config before compiling | 17:44 |
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| MohammadAG | seif, reinstall scratchbox | 17:50 |
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| toggles_w | any packaging gurus here? if so, do you know why some apps show icons in the appman the first time and others not? | 18:21 |
| Khertan_ | OUch ... reboot of my n900 without any warning | 18:21 |
| kerio | Khertan_: loose battery? | 18:21 |
| Khertan_ | LOL | 18:22 |
| Khertan_ | nope ... i use mad developpers | 18:22 |
| Khertan_ | and use the window networking kernel module | 18:22 |
| MohammadAG | X-Fade, how many builders are there? | 18:22 |
| Khertan_ | and launching Wireshark on my windows host make the n900 reboot | 18:22 |
| Khertan_ | funny | 18:22 |
| MohammadAG | Khertan_, broadcasting reboot over ssh reboots my N900 too | 18:23 |
| Khertan_ | lol | 18:23 |
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| MohammadAG | i.e if I reboot my laptop with the reboot command and the N900 was connected via ssh, it reboots too | 18:23 |
| kerio | wait, what | 18:23 |
| kerio | how | 18:23 |
| MohammadAG | idk | 18:23 |
| MohammadAG | but it annoys me | 18:24 |
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| MNZ | MohammadAG, didn't you tell me you can boot a kernel using flasher before? have you done it before? | 18:25 |
| MohammadAG | yeah | 18:25 |
| MohammadAG | flasher-3.5 -k image.bin -l -b | 18:25 |
| MohammadAG | you can specify kernel parameters | 18:26 |
| MNZ | you plug in the usb and get nolo up first right? | 18:26 |
| MohammadAG | yes, hold U and all that stuff | 18:26 |
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| MNZ | and image.bin can't be compressed? as in zImage? | 18:27 |
| MohammadAG | it is a zImage :P | 18:27 |
| MohammadAG | idk why i referred to it as image.bin | 18:27 |
| MNZ | well I've tried everything, I get to the five dots stage and then black screen | 18:27 |
| MNZ | of death | 18:27 |
| MohammadAG | hmm, what kernel are you flashing? | 18:27 |
| MNZ | right now just trying the stock kernel really | 18:28 |
| MNZ | to eliminate any other problems | 18:28 |
| MohammadAG | it should boot fine | 18:28 |
| MohammadAG | framebuffer kernels otoh... | 18:28 |
| MNZ | what's wrong with them? because I use one as well | 18:28 |
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| Khertan_ | Hum ... this means that a right tcp packet can reboot the device | 18:29 |
| Khertan_ | so we can spam to force reboot :) | 18:29 |
| MohammadAG | MNZ, they crash sometimes, flash them | 18:30 |
| MohammadAG | after flashing, your device might reboot 3 times, but it will boot... eventually | 18:30 |
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| MohammadAG | MNZ, here's an image if you want one, it's stock but has framebuffer enabled, http://mohammadag.xceleo.org/public/maemo/kernels/zImage-fb-omap1.bin | 18:30 |
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| MNZ | well I can't even get stock to boot yet :/ | 18:31 |
| MohammadAG | and here's a power40 image, same as power but with framebuffer, http://mohammadag.xceleo.org/public/maemo/kernels/framebuffer/power-kernel%20variants/zImage-power40-framebuffer-kernel | 18:31 |
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| MohammadAG | MNZ, don't use -l -b with framebuffer kernels | 18:31 |
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| MohammadAG | they'll cause you headaches | 18:31 |
| MohammadAG | just flash them | 18:31 |
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| Ljrn900 | how to get maemo xchat to use readable colours??? | 18:32 |
| MNZ | k, but what I really need is to boot on the fly because I'm testing code and it would be a bit easier this way | 18:32 |
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| Ljrn900 | fiq | 18:36 |
| ShadowJK | Oh right, I installed xchat before the "Make it look like N900's theme" effort went in | 18:37 |
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| MohammadAG | ShadowJK, heh | 18:39 |
| TimSim | Hi | 18:40 |
| TimSim | Is there a way to change the call accept and decline buttons on the n900. I sometimes press a button when i take it out of my pocket. | 18:41 |
| E0x | a slider will nice | 18:42 |
| Ljrn900 | ... | 18:43 |
| MiXu- | Yeah. Slider would definitely be nice | 18:43 |
| MiXu- | ALso for alarms etc. | 18:44 |
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| TimSim | jap something like that. | 18:44 |
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| MohammadAG | closed source, out of ours hands | 18:46 |
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| MNZ | MohammadAG, wait... do you remove the usb after kernel is sent??? | 18:46 |
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| MohammadAG | MNZ, yeah | 18:47 |
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| MohammadAG | well, i do | 18:47 |
| MNZ | I mean immediately after it, before booting is over | 18:47 |
| MohammadAG | I think I crashed the autobuilder | 18:47 |
| MohammadAG | or it's too slow | 18:47 |
| MohammadAG | MNZ, yes, w/ a USB a framebuffer kernel crashes | 18:47 |
| MNZ | but.... I don't have fb... and the stock kernel definitely doesn't | 18:48 |
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| MNZ | because I just realized the kernel doesn't boot with usb, even if flashed | 18:48 |
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| MohammadAG | MNZ, I meant that's why I take out the USB | 18:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: on which device? which version? | 18:53 |
| ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer, N900 in December? | 18:53 |
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| DocScrutinizer | duh, never noticed any difference in theming, and I guess I installed xchat in November | 18:53 |
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| MNZ | the default xchat colors now are complete and utter fail | 18:54 |
| ShadowJK | You only get the new theme if you installed first time after the theming | 18:54 |
| ShadowJK | otherwise the old xchat.conf from the pre-theming time stays | 18:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | aaah, so I'm happy it stays that way :-P | 18:55 |
| ShadowJK | Or if you delete xchat.conf I think you get the new theme too | 18:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep, I remember there was utter madness like white on black and other stuff | 18:55 |
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| ShadowJK | I actually have white (gray) on black on my desktop :P | 18:56 |
| ShadowJK | From before xchat (mainline) changed to white bg by default | 18:56 |
| MNZ | white on black? that woulda been good. IIRC it's dark blue on black | 18:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | which I never faced as happily I avoided updating when xchat by default killed the conf on update | 18:56 |
| ShadowJK | iirc my desktop xchat theme is from xchat 1.4.3 days :D | 18:56 |
| ShadowJK | if there was such a version | 18:56 |
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| jpinx-eeepc | black screen bgs are so much easier on your eyes | 18:57 |
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| ShadowJK | for sure, first morning I switched on my computer and xchat's white background stabbed my eyes like a C coder stabbing a C++ coder adding (void*) casts to code | 18:57 |
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| DocScrutinizer | jpinx-eeepc: ooh yes | 18:58 |
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| DocScrutinizer | muuuuuuch easier | 18:58 |
| jpinx-eeepc | I am still looking for a gui tabbed editor that will offer a black background | 18:59 |
| * jpinx-eeepc does a lot of simple text document editing | 18:59 | |
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| DocScrutinizer | I think I even copied over the xchat.conf and some other stuff from N810, as it was so annoying to redo all the tweaks | 19:09 |
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| SpeedEvil | remember to remove passwords too | 19:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | sure | 19:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | haha, that's be funny to have 50 chanops on each of 10 chan | 19:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | and all are MEEEEEEE | 19:12 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | *shudder* | 19:12 |
| * ShadowJK doesn't store passwords in xchat | 19:13 | |
| ShadowJK | I just do /server blah blh blah, /newserver blah blah blah on startup to connect to irssi-proxy | 19:14 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | that's probably a good idea | 19:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | should work with ZNC as well | 19:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | strange, ZNC passes thru CTCP-version requests | 19:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | I have to say I'm not particularly happy with ZNC | 19:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer | it's ok for one client UA | 19:19 |
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| liori | jpinx-eeepc: gedit? | 19:25 |
| jpinx-eeepc | liori: pulls in some gnome depends -- I believe | 19:26 |
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| PhonicUK | anyone know if Psfreedom has been compiled for the power user kernel yet? | 19:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | jpinx-eeepc: which editor wouldn't offer custom settings for fg/bg color? | 19:34 |
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| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer51: pong | 19:36 |
| pog | I was looking for the package "screen". Dont find it in the maemo repositories. difficult to find something reasolable in google :-) | 19:36 |
| liori | jpinx-eeepc: if you want no deps, use xterm/rxvt and some console editor... vim has tabs | 19:36 |
| jpinx-eeepc | DocScrutinizer51: leafpad | 19:36 |
| derf | pog: Google "GNU screen" | 19:36 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | jacekowski: ETIMEOUT | 19:36 |
| pog | o.k thansk derf | 19:36 |
| Jaffa | dneary: We seem to be on the same wavelength this week :) | 19:36 |
| jpinx-eeepc | liori: I can use nano, but not very handy and no tabs | 19:37 |
| dneary | Jaffa, Aren't we always? | 19:37 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | jacekowski: somebody asked how to enable fmtx while usb plugged in | 19:37 |
| Jaffa | dneary: Oh, of course. | 19:38 |
| pog | found screen http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/devtools/maemo5 | 19:38 |
| jacekowski | yeah, i've noticed | 19:39 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Good the spec thread is long. | 19:43 |
| pog | I was just looking /etc/apt/sources.list .. all apt-get commands works but this file is empty... | 19:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | s/Good/Goodness | 19:43 |
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| MNZ | pog, /etc/apt/sources.list.d | 19:43 |
| jacekowski | oOOO | 19:44 |
| jacekowski | http://www.nokian900.tv/n900-gets-wine-windows-users-are-awed/ | 19:44 |
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| jacekowski | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=48899&page=2 | 19:45 |
| MNZ | windows apps... on wine.... on qemu.... on 600mhz arm.... | 19:45 |
| pog | MNZ: thanks | 19:45 |
| MNZ | does it run crysis? | 19:45 |
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| jacekowski | MNZ: wine isn't that slow | 19:45 |
| jacekowski | and hmm, qemu | 19:45 |
| jacekowski | qemu is slow | 19:46 |
| jacekowski | not as slow as full emu | 19:46 |
| jacekowski | but i mean it may be faster than my old ~200mhz pc | 19:46 |
| MohammadAG | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=811829#post811829 | 19:46 |
| jacekowski | btw. | 19:46 |
| pog | what I don't understand about wine on arm, wine is a api-converter, does it need qemu? | 19:46 |
| jacekowski | pog: yes | 19:46 |
| pog | o.k | 19:46 |
| MNZ | pog, it's needed on n900 because of the arm arch, which is not supported by wine | 19:47 |
| pog | I have seen, win98 runs on N900 :-) | 19:47 |
| jacekowski | pog: basicaly what is wine is just a software that loads PE binary into memory, links it with replacement of windows .dlls and runs it | 19:47 |
| jacekowski | but that's all x86 | 19:47 |
| jacekowski | does arm wine run fully on qemu? | 19:47 |
| pog | thanks | 19:48 |
| jacekowski | or is it clever enough to have native libraries? | 19:48 |
| pog | I like probably to install vonbasco-midi-player, if it runs unter N900 | 19:48 |
| [DrkGUNMAN-N900] | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=43480&highlight=wine+qemu | 19:50 |
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| lcuk | MohammadAG, not one mention of KaKaRoTo on the psfreedom post? tsk tks | 19:56 |
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| MohammadAG | lcuk, hmm, I remember I did mention him, he's mentioned on the package page, and the about page though | 19:58 |
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| pupnik_ | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WjIM4eNmp-g MAME4all on pandora | 19:58 |
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| lcuk | MohammadAG, standing on the shoulders of giants.. | 19:59 |
| lcuk | you wouldnt have a package to release without his work :P | 19:59 |
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| MohammadAG | lcuk, funny, I wrote that before I read what you said | 20:00 |
| MohammadAG | Thanks to: | 20:00 |
| MohammadAG | KaKaRoTo for his hard work on the PSFreedom hack, without it, this app wouldn't be possible | 20:00 |
| lcuk | \o/ | 20:01 |
| lcuk | when did I help with python! | 20:02 |
| lcuk | :D | 20:02 |
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| MohammadAG | lcuk, you've helped me a couple of times, either directly or indirectly | 20:03 |
| MohammadAG | liqbubbles :P | 20:04 |
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| * lcuk nods | 20:04 | |
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| MohammadAG | would've been cool if the N900's camera slide had a motor | 20:04 |
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| lcuk | lol | 20:05 |
| MohammadAG | then the N900's cam would pop open, take a picture, then auto detect a PS3's model :P | 20:05 |
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| * DocScrutinizer hands lcuk a Jamesey's Breakfast Cocktail | 20:09 | |
| lcuk | o_O | 20:10 |
| lcuk | but I already had vodka cornflakes for breakfast | 20:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer | cornflakes with bacon? | 20:14 |
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| ebzzry | Is there a way to control desktop transitions? | 20:15 |
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| johnsq | Hi | 20:15 |
| ebzzry | *desktop-switch transitions | 20:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm, vodka cornflakes with bacon, sounds like a decent start for a day | 20:15 |
| lcuk | ebzzry, transitions.ini or with gui http://maemo.org/packages/view/transitioncontrol/ | 20:16 |
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| ebzzry | lcuk: does it include desktop transitions? | 20:17 |
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| lcuk | ebzzry, read and find out, it might not include something you are thinking, but includes tweaking of a lot of the transitions.ini file | 20:20 |
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| lcuk | i believe the default file has notes about what each does, but the ui may not | 20:20 |
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| ebzzry | lcuk: let me check | 20:23 |
| MohammadAG | editing the file with an editor is easier than editing with the GUI | 20:25 |
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| ebzzry | lcuk: no desktop transitions :( | 20:32 |
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| MNZ | DocScrutinizer, pretty much finished work on the driver code, but haven't tested the hwdep interface yet. | 20:47 |
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| MNZ | DocScrutinizer, I have tested the rest and I *think* there are no more bugs. I also pushed a doc to Documentation/sound/alsa/soc/codecs. If you want, take a quick look over the code? | 20:48 |
| MNZ | I have to be at places now, so I'm going off. Will work on libalsa code when back. | 20:48 |
| MNZ | cheers #maemo! | 20:49 |
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| E0x | damn , the chop in the audio when media player is playing and you press the power button with the device lock for saw the time come back to me | 20:49 |
| E0x | :( | 20:49 |
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| FIQ | (17:36:18) (Ljrn900) fiq | 20:53 |
| FIQ | what | 20:53 |
| FIQ | oh, he leaved | 20:53 |
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| luke-jr | FIQ: do you know a way to get N900 X-Chat to use sane colours? | 20:55 |
| SpeedEvil | Mine is - mosrtly | 20:56 |
| SpeedEvil | http://qkwv.com/xchat.png | 20:56 |
| FIQ | luke-jr, preferences, colors | 20:56 |
| FIQ | change the second row, it's the theme colors | 20:57 |
| luke-jr | FIQ: didn't see options there for all the bad colours | 20:57 |
| luke-jr | I changed all the ones in that dialog, none fixed it | 20:57 |
| FIQ | hmm... | 20:57 |
| luke-jr | still black-on-black for local echo and joins/parts | 20:57 |
| frals | hmm | 20:57 |
| luke-jr | (or close to it) | 20:57 |
| frals | bug #11273 | 20:57 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11273 text deleted from picture message | 20:57 |
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| frals | bug #11272 even | 20:58 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11272 text deleted from picture message | 20:58 |
| FIQ | luke-jr, it may have to do with your theme? i dunno, i've white on black | 20:58 |
| FIQ | wait a minute, i've xchat running | 20:58 |
| FIQ | tried changing foreground? | 20:58 |
| FIQ | if you did, then, no idea | 20:58 |
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| luke-jr | :/ | 20:59 |
| luke-jr | Foreground is set to white | 20:59 |
| FIQ | btw, about the local echo, change color 30 | 21:00 |
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| Ljrn900 | ... | 21:00 |
| Ljrn900 | ... | 21:00 |
| Ljrn900 | ok | 21:00 |
| Ljrn900 | ty | 21:00 |
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| FIQ | np | 21:00 |
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| pupnik_ | https://www.squarefree.com/bookmarklets/color.html !! Drag the 'invert lightness' to your bookmark bar and you can darken any webpage in chromium | 21:11 |
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| lcuk | pupnik_, works in firefox :) | 21:12 |
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| pupnik_ | ok well it's AWESOME | 21:13 |
| pupnik_ | except with some pages which suck | 21:14 |
| pupnik_ | but it works well with a lot of forum sites | 21:14 |
| trumee | cnat understand why N900 doesnt export SDcard to my linux box. On windows it exports Sdcard via mass storage! | 21:16 |
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| trumee | why linux box doesnt see the sdcard, but windows can. | 21:16 |
| trumee | doesnt make sense to me. | 21:16 |
| trumee | fdisk -l doesnt list the sdcard, it only lists the emmc. | 21:17 |
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| pupnik_ | does cat /proc/partitions show it | 21:18 |
| pupnik_ | or is that the same thing | 21:18 |
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| trumee | pupnik_: nope, it doesnt show it as well | 21:19 |
| trumee | pupnik_: although it is indeed umounted when i plug the usb cable into N900 | 21:21 |
| trumee | so N900 is indeed presenting it to the linux box, but the box might be rejecting it. strange. | 21:21 |
| pupnik_ | does lsusb show the device? | 21:22 |
| trumee | i have nitdroid installed via nitdroid-installer in the sdcard | 21:22 |
| pupnik_ | perhaps you have an ancient linux box | 21:22 |
| pupnik_ | the device would show up if it is registered as a hd device on usb bus | 21:22 |
| pupnik_ | even if partition table were broken | 21:22 |
| trumee | Bus 001 Device 006: ID 0421:01c7 Nokia Mobile Phones is what i get in lsusb | 21:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | this is a known feature we see every other day | 21:23 |
| trumee | it is not an ancient box, a shiny gentoo install :) | 21:23 |
| trumee | The sdcard is a Samsung 8gb class 6 card. | 21:24 |
| trumee | pupnik_: should lsusb show Samsung sdcard? | 21:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | seems some distros have problems with multiple storage devices (aka partitions?) via same USB device | 21:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | trumee: check syslog, to see what devices were detected | 21:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | might be an issue with udev, or sth | 21:25 |
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| trumee | DocScrutinizer: http://www.pastie.org/1148637 | 21:26 |
| trumee | no mention of anything except sdf which is internal emmc | 21:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | truncated prematurely | 21:27 |
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| trumee | DocScrutinizer: you mean it is my boxes issue? | 21:28 |
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| DocScrutinizer | yup, usually | 21:28 |
| trumee | let me check this on my suse laptop. brb | 21:29 |
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| lcuk | evening RevdKathy \o | 21:30 |
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| RevdKathy | Evening lcuk - how's tricks? | 21:30 |
| RST38h | reMoo | 21:30 |
| frals | o/ RevdKathy | 21:30 |
| lcuk | they are good I believe :) | 21:30 |
| RevdKathy | Hi frals. :-) | 21:30 |
| lcuk | ack RST38h \o | 21:31 |
| lcuk | and heya frals | 21:31 |
| RevdKathy | lcuk - good-oh! | 21:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | lo kathy | 21:31 |
| trumee | DocScrutinizer: spot on. it works fine on the suse laptop | 21:31 |
| pupnik_ | nice to have two systems for stuff like that | 21:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | trumee: toldya | 21:33 |
| RevdKathy | 'lo DocScrutinizer | 21:33 |
| lcuk | n900-n900 file copying should be a test case for usb host when we get it running :P | 21:33 |
| * slonopotamus yawns | 21:33 | |
| trumee | pupnik_: yes. although i like gentoo more than suse :) | 21:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | lcuk: :nod: | 21:33 |
| trumee | pupnik_: but suse is somewhat standardised which everybody else understands. | 21:34 |
| pupnik_ | yes for education most business clientes wanted suse | 21:34 |
| pupnik_ | back in 2003-2004 | 21:34 |
| trumee | need to clear out the sdcard to get the new nitdroid :D | 21:34 |
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| DocScrutinizer | suse here since... yeah since very beginning (of suse) | 21:36 |
| slonopotamus | suse? ain't it from the guys who did netware and (oh, my!) IPX? | 21:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | nonsense, you mean Novel | 21:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | novel bought suse, some years ago | 21:37 |
| slonopotamus | http://www.novell.com/linux/ | 21:38 |
| slonopotamus | i think that page is about suse and it's on novell website | 21:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | so what? | 21:38 |
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| slonopotamus | so suse is made by same company that developed netware | 21:40 |
| RST38h | Doc: Have you already made the latest Modest build part of your SSU? | 21:40 |
| RST38h | Oh, wait, wrongperson | 21:40 |
| slonopotamus | RST38h, i guess you need MohammadAG51 | 21:41 |
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| RST38h | yea | 21:41 |
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| slonopotamus | meh, i have to admit that n800 is superior to n900. i can type '^' on n800 :) | 21:42 |
| luke-jr | … | 21:42 |
| slonopotamus | luke-jr, wut? | 21:42 |
| luke-jr | can't type anything on N800 | 21:43 |
| luke-jr | just tap via touchscreen | 21:43 |
| slonopotamus | on-screen kb | 21:43 |
| luke-jr | and N900 touch-kb has ^ too | 21:43 |
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| slonopotamus | doesn't matter. n900 on-screen kb doesn't have '^' | 21:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | slonopotamus: yes, and N900 is made by the same company that builds i7 | 21:43 |
| luke-jr | it does | 21:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | and pentium | 21:43 |
| slonopotamus | luke-jr, not in russian layout | 21:43 |
| luke-jr | meh | 21:44 |
| luke-jr | who uses that | 21:44 |
| slonopotamus | russians | 21:44 |
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| Ljrn900 | ^^^ | 21:44 |
| Ljrn900 | ‰ | 21:44 |
| Ljrn900 | ¿ | 21:45 |
| slonopotamus | (oh, and n800 has separate up/down/left/right buttons!) | 21:45 |
| luke-jr | ok, N800 wins :P | 21:45 |
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| slonopotamus | :D | 21:45 |
| luke-jr | but not enough RAM! | 21:45 |
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| DocScrutinizer | slonopotamus: which part of "was bought by novel some years ago" is so hard to understand? | 21:45 |
| slonopotamus | DocScrutinizer, how that matters? | 21:45 |
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| DocScrutinizer | slonopotamus: EXACTLY! | 21:46 |
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| teilzeitstudent | Is there a way to stop the app manager to look for updates everytime i connect to some network? | 21:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's still the SuSE AG dudes sitting 2km from here (and other places) and developing SLES, like they did before the label of the company changed to Novel. And OpenSuse Linux definitely is not "from the guys who made netware" | 21:49 |
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| lcuk | hmm | 21:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's like stating "Mercedes Benz has been invented by D/C" | 21:53 |
| kerio | slonopotamus: huh? the n900 has separate arrow keys | 21:54 |
| lcuk | anyone with ubuntu: i have a file: xyz.desktop I want to edit that file with GUI (its not from an installed program its just in a random folder) | 21:54 |
| lcuk | how can I | 21:54 |
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| kerio | slonopotamus: i can type ^ on my n900 too | 21:54 |
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| kerio | without vkbd | 21:54 |
| kerio | i set it to... shift+fn+h | 21:54 |
| lcuk | mnn nm | 21:55 |
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| DocScrutinizer | lcuk: use a sane desKtop :-P | 21:55 |
| lcuk | DocScrutinizer, meh | 21:55 |
| lcuk | it works for most other stuff | 21:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | lcuk: then rightclick to the file in a decent Konqueror and select "open with..." | 21:56 |
| lcuk | just can't right click and open in an editor unlike every other filetype | 21:56 |
| lcuk | there isn't an open with.. | 21:56 |
| lcuk | its missing, .desktop files are part of the desktop | 21:56 |
| lcuk | so its not giving usual actions | 21:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | not in konqui | 21:56 |
| lcuk | mm change whole desktop for one frustration ;) | 21:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | but meh, if you want to live with gnomes, us mc instead, hit F4 | 21:57 |
| lcuk | i opened it directly from within the editor but its just wrong way round | 21:57 |
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| DocScrutinizer | it's WHAT? | 21:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | RTL text? :-P | 21:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | or upside down fonts? | 21:59 |
| lcuk | having to open app, then open the file within it | 21:59 |
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| * lcuk rarely ever goes into the file menu | 21:59 | |
| DocScrutinizer | gnome as a part ob ubuntu is a Vista with some special themes, you can't expect it to work like a decent linux :-P | 22:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://xkcd.com/424/ | 22:00 |
| lcuk | :P | 22:01 |
| lcuk | well, it wfm and for lots of others | 22:01 |
| DangerMMaus | haha | 22:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | I see I see | 22:02 |
| lcuk | apart from this niggle! | 22:02 |
| Khertan_Home | Khweeteur 0.0.23 available in #extras-devel ... | 22:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | lcuk: maybe you have to checkmark "show extensions" in Nautilus' settings (or whatever dwarf err gnome is using now for filemanager) | 22:04 |
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| lcuk | heh its not a case of hidden extensions | 22:04 |
| lcuk | its that gnome actively wants to treat .desktop files as part of the running desktop | 22:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | duh, it's not ? :-P | 22:05 |
| lcuk | and I bet changing that association will fsck up the menus and stuff | 22:05 |
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| * DocScrutinizer shrugs | 22:05 | |
| DocScrutinizer | gnome... pfft | 22:05 |
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| ColdFyre | is there a pptp gui client for the n900.. | 22:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | gnome devels won't be happy until the desktop looks, feels, and works like the last EOLed windows version | 22:07 |
| DangerMMaus | ha | 22:07 |
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| GAN900 | DocScrutinizer, less so these days. | 22:08 |
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| midas_ | android on n900 <3 | 22:10 |
| GAN900 | midas_, what's the point? | 22:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | nooooo, winmoob7 on N900 ftw :-P | 22:10 |
| midas_ | GAN900: it's faster than maemo? | 22:10 |
| GAN900 | I mean, if you want Android, spend 50% less and get Android. | 22:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | exactly" | 22:11 |
| GAN900 | Who cares? | 22:11 |
| luke-jr | lol | 22:11 |
| GAN900 | It's certainly not more capable | 22:11 |
| luke-jr | and Android has CDMA hardware | 22:11 |
| luke-jr | and more RAM | 22:11 |
| GAN900 | It doesn't do 3D. | 22:11 |
| luke-jr | neither does N900 as far as I'm concerned | 22:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | mine looks rather 3-dimensional X-P | 22:11 |
| midas_ | fact :P | 22:12 |
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| kerio | GAN900: Android is the iOS of the poor | 22:14 |
| luke-jr | lol | 22:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | actually nitdroid is about the most pointless project I ever heard about | 22:15 |
| luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: pfft | 22:15 |
| luke-jr | you've never done something just because you can? | 22:15 |
| TNZ_ | Hi all | 22:15 |
| TNZ_ | Question about behaviour video calls on googletalk ... | 22:16 |
| midas_ | DocScrutinizer: why? | 22:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | because everybody is better off with a genuine android hardware | 22:16 |
| lolloo | Can I save text in notepad as unicode format? Thank you. | 22:17 |
| MNZ | lolloo, you are welcome | 22:17 |
| TNZ_ | sound calls and video calls don't work any more since google launched the linux plugin of googletalk :/ | 22:17 |
| luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: just think of the bragging points they get for having a handheld that can run Maemo, or Android, or Gentoo | 22:18 |
| * luke-jr ponders if Maemo can be shoved into an OpenVZ VE | 22:19 | |
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| DocScrutinizer | damn, for bragging get a prada phone, or a Rolex watch | 22:22 |
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| luke-jr | :P | 22:23 |
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| Venemo | good evening | 22:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | sounds to me like somebody buying a ferrari and then pondering how to plow the acres with it | 22:25 |
| * DocScrutinizer waves - RL can't be more puzzling | 22:26 | |
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| lolloo | guys how do i load maemo notify plug-in for xchat? | 22:28 |
| lolloo | on N900? | 22:28 |
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| lolloo | guys how do i load maemo notify plugin for xchat? | 22:31 |
| lolloo | thank you. | 22:31 |
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| TNZ | Hi all | 22:39 |
| TNZ | GoogleTalk issue ! | 22:39 |
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| TNZ | only IM part works on my N900 since few days | 22:40 |
| TNZ | sound and video calls are not available anymore | 22:40 |
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| TNZ | I think there's a protocol evolution with the launch of Linux plugin for browser | 22:42 |
| TNZ | is there someone on this issue ? | 22:42 |
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| TNZ | p'tain ... c'est mort à en faire jouir un nécrophile ! Oo | 22:43 |
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| RevdKathy | G'night all! | 22:46 |
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| RST38h | what is it with the latest (summer 2010) crop of t.m.o lemmings skipping all the punctuation signs and not capitalizing first words in sentences? | 23:05 |
| derf | RST38h: Kids these days. | 23:05 |
| * derf shakes walker, makes shooing motions away from grass. | 23:06 | |
| RST38h | <facepalm> | 23:06 |
| pronto | GET OFF MY LAWN | 23:06 |
| * TNZ waiting for an evolution of GoogleTalk plugin in maemo5 | 23:07 | |
| CreamyG | lol its that damn ps3 hack | 23:08 |
| CreamyG | inspired a bunch of new members | 23:08 |
| mece | do I need to reboot my phone holding u button to flash a kernel image? | 23:08 |
| TNZ | should be | 23:09 |
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| TNZ | sometimes it's not necessary ... it depends of the flasher software | 23:10 |
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| GAN900 | RST38h, is their name lcuk? :P | 23:19 |
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| mece | hmpf is this thing supposed to do anything? | 23:21 |
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| CreamyG | hey do you guys know if when i do a build, and it doesn't include some required files in the .tar.gz file, during the "make install" step, so i have to manually copy a few things around every time... well how can i fix that? it's a bunch of stuff in the /debian folder, and one file from the /doc | 23:31 |
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| lcuk | GAN900, oi! I used to represent that comment | 23:39 |
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| lcuk | I have actually been presenting myself much better recently :) | 23:40 |
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| dang | anyone ever had the problem that the camera of an n900 is not saving pictures anymore? | 23:41 |
| DangerMaus | do you have it set to video? | 23:42 |
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| dang | nope | 23:42 |
| dang | double checked that :) | 23:43 |
| DangerMaus | that was the only time it didnt save pics for me | 23:43 |
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| DangerMaus | is the fs where it saves to full? | 23:44 |
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| dang | nope | 23:46 |
| dang | im doing an fsck now | 23:46 |
| dang | hmm clean | 23:47 |
| dang | wow | 23:47 |
| dang | now the images magically appeared, wtf | 23:47 |
| dang | sorry for the noise | 23:48 |
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| CreamyG | it's okay, the silence was deafening | 23:49 |
| * noobmonk3y squeals .......... | 23:50 | |
| CreamyG | lol a real monkey would be awesome | 23:51 |
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| dang | hmm that's interesting. i made over 999 pictures and it seems the names get rotated but the file creation date on the file system is still the same so i didnt see them | 23:52 |
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| lcuk | hmm | 23:53 |
| lcuk | dang? you saying that oldest pictures are being overwritten? | 23:53 |
| CreamyG | he disconnected | 23:53 |
| lcuk | ahh no they wont be | 23:54 |
| lcuk | pics are datestamped | 23:54 |
| lcuk | as in use the date on the filename with a suffix | 23:54 |
| CreamyG | yeah that's good. probalby wouldn't overwrite anyways, just crash, like everything else | 23:55 |
| lcuk | :| | 23:56 |
| RST38h | How do I find out which packages depend ona given package? | 23:57 |
| lcuk | reverse depends | 23:57 |
| lcuk | in apt-cache ummm possible showpkg | 23:57 |
| MNZ | apt-cache showpkg | 23:57 |
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