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FireStorm|import it as CSV file it give u the correct number of contacts but no entrys lol00:01
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FireStorm|i don't really want to sit and import 200 contacts :(00:01
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FireStorm|any one got any ideas on importing Gmail contacts into maemo00:01
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iluminator101how do i add google voice on n90000:04
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FireStorm|any one?00:04
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iluminator101how do i add google voice on n90000:06
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th3hateis it possible to reset the partition table of mmc using n900?00:11
th3hatesfdisk maybe?00:11
FireStorm|come on someone most have done it before :(00:11
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satmdmine only has a single partition on it00:12
satmdprobably vfat00:12
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satmdtoo lazy to check now00:13
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* FireStorm| slaps shity n900 and nokia :@00:15
FireStorm|DocScrutinizer any ideas ?00:17
iluminator101how do i add google voice on n90000:17
DocScrutinizersorry 2 lines above I got highlight, and 3 lines above I stopped reading backscroll00:18
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FireStorm|any ideas on how to import gmail contacts into n90000:18
FireStorm|cause it don't wanan know00:18
DocScrutinizeriluminator101: check tmo and repos00:19
DocScrutinizeriluminator101: check tmo and repos00:19
DocScrutinizeriluminator101: check tmo and repos00:19
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zasheverybody hide!00:19
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keriodamn, chadi beat me at hiding00:20
MNZiluminator101, talk.maemo.org00:20
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CreamyGhey does anyone know the proper units for cpu time - looks like minutes, seconds, ms but i'm not sure00:30
CreamyGlike it says xorg 19:28.5500:31
CreamyGand i rebooted less than 19 hrs ago for sure00:31
SpeedEvil19 mins00:35 ?00:36
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CreamyGoh, it's 13:3700:37
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SpeedEvilno seconds.hundredths00:38
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CreamyGahh ok cs00:40
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DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: how's your head?00:43
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SpeedEvilFine at the moment.00:45
SpeedEvilNo lasting damage.00:45
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DocScrutinizergood :-)00:46
DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: on #om-cdevel lindi and gena2x are discussing power consumption issues, might be a topic for you00:49
SpeedEvilI don't have my OM device up anymore.00:50
DocScrutinizerit's more about hw/boottime level00:51
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jo-erlendI'm trying to synchronize PIM data between my n900 and funambol and memotoo, but no luck. I get an error: "Synchronization failed", but no explanations. Any ideas?01:16
jo-erlendI'm using syncEvolution.01:16
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lcukjo-erlend, it could be any one of things :S01:53
lcukyou thought from last night01:54
lcukis essentially what invar does, but for 3 leds01:54
jo-erlendheh... I run it from the command line, and I got even more confusing results... All was a success, but then there was an error saying synchronization failed..01:54
lcuknice jo!01:54
lcukthe bugtracker for it isnt so easy to pin down either01:54
SpeedEvillcuk: yes - I was thinking it might or might not be easy to add.01:54
lcukjo-erlend, perhaps have a glance over there01:55
lcukand see if anything jumps out01:55
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lcukSpeedEvil, you actually want to use it for rangefinding?01:55
SpeedEvillcuk: no. Prop n900 against something, pointing at wall. Run stud detector across wall, scribbling randomly01:56
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SpeedEvilnoting on the image when the LED goes on01:56
lcukahh so you can visually map all the places it hit!01:56
SpeedEvilyou end up with a diagram of dots where the studs/wires are01:56
lcuklike a super timelapse01:56
lcukneat idea dude! that should be reasonably practical01:57
lcukhowever I recall the Push N900 guys01:57
lcukwanted to do a camera trail maker thing01:57
lcukand they ended up with slight gaps01:58
lcukbased on aliasing and phasing and stuff01:58
lcukhow precise are you thinking, if it just shows you all the places it saw a green led (as you said configurable)01:58
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lcukso taking one highres pic at start of it01:59
lcukthen using a video stream thereafter01:59
lcukand using a filter on that01:59
lcukshould give you what you need..01:59
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SpeedEvilI just mean approximately.02:02
SpeedEvilIts good to get an overall view02:02
lcuksure, i see what you are thinking02:02
SpeedEvilYou don't need a hugely precise answer.02:02
SpeedEvilAs you can check later for precise measurements.02:02
SpeedEvilI was pondering my own cam app.02:03
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SpeedEvilSomething trivial with no UI.02:03
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lcukthe problem you would have is distance and resolution02:04
lcukSpeedEvil, healthcheck02:04
SpeedEvilLock focal length at infinity, on headset press, take a pic, take a voice note while it is held down02:04
lcukis pyqt and has camera image doofers02:04
SpeedEvilNo screen even.02:04
SpeedEvilFor lower powrr02:05
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lcukthe screen isnt important and your timeout should cope/can just click your dimmer02:05
SpeedEvilI want to have the n900 ina a shirt pocket, and be able to take pics and notes by walking around and pointing art stuff02:05
lcukbut I tihnk having some ui to be able to stop it would be wise02:05
SpeedEvilwith gps02:05
* lcuk knows that usecase very well02:05
lcukgps isnt good indoors02:05
lcukbut gives general area usually02:06
lcukso good enough to indicate client X or client Y02:06
* SpeedEvil waits for site to load.02:06
lcukSpeedEvil, alternative02:06
lcukjust record a movie of you doing it02:07
lcukusing normal software02:07
lcukthen postprocess02:07
lcukto get your overlay02:07
lcukno delay, no faff02:07
lcukyou know it records movies etc02:07
lcukonce you get to needing it, load up gstreamer using python and process the frames02:07
SpeedEvilI want it to last at least 4h.02:07
* lcuk nods02:07
SpeedEvilSo video doesnt really work02:08
lcukthen use the normal sw?02:08
SpeedEvilGPS is imprecise due to truncation at seconds of lat/lon, the delay sucks.02:08
lcukmake a data stream and save the live processing till you are back at office?02:08
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lindi-SpeedEvil: is your goal to improve openstreetmap?02:09
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lcuklindi-, his original goal was to detect live wires :P02:09
SpeedEvilno - sorry02:09
* lcuk senses feature creep :P02:09
SpeedEvilthis and that are completlely seperate projects02:09
SpeedEvilI should have made that clear02:09
lcuki know dude02:09
lcukbut the camera and recording ui is already optimised for quick on the go usage02:10
lcukdim your screen, do your art, dump later02:10
SpeedEvilIts really not.02:10
SpeedEvilIt has several issues.02:10
SpeedEvilCan't listen to audio at the same time.02:10
lindi-SpeedEvil: I've done some experiments with video mapping from a car. -- it seems to be fairly useful but only if I could up the resolution a lot02:11
jo-erlendis there only one contact list on maemo?02:11
SpeedEvilThe focus time can be very long, when I know that infinity is quite fine.02:11
SpeedEvilI want to be able to take a pic every couple of seconds at peak.02:11
SpeedEvilAnd have shutter lag of well under 0.5s.02:12
SpeedEvilThe existing software basically complely fails for this.02:12
lcukSpeedEvil, which purpose, the stud detector?02:12
SpeedEvilno - OSM02:12
SpeedEvilSorry - We're confusing each other again.02:13
lcuki saw a great time lapse video taken with n900 tonight :)02:13
SpeedEvilYes - video recording and post would actually work for the stud thing.02:13
* lcuk doesnt know which software was used, but i think it was fcam lib based02:13
lcukright, so we move past that easily02:13
SpeedEvilI was trying the stock camera sw with that stream of 80 pics, and it was annoying in so many ways02:14
lcukok, so you want manual shutter control or for actual automatic timelapse creation?02:14
SpeedEvilI am also contemplating doing naughty things with my I2C02:15
SpeedEvilThe above openstreetview link02:15
lcuklindi-, i see a strange large video of your desktop?02:15
SpeedEvilWhile walking - taking pics02:15
SpeedEvilfor example - walk past a door - take pic of door02:15
SpeedEvilwithout stopping02:15
SpeedEvilI2C - compass02:16
lcuki do that with normal cam all the time, we go places and take photos of everything02:16
lcukme and tracy are shutterbugs02:16
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lcukwe took ~300 pictures around mini village in an afternoon :)02:16
lindi-lcuk: maybe you lack the audio :)02:17
lcuklindi-, since I am on vnc, i lack color resolution and speed also02:17
lindi-lcuk: :)02:17
lcukSpeedEvil, closing and opening the camera takes longer02:17
lcukbut I just flick the screenlock02:18
lcukleaving camera on02:18
SpeedEvilIdeally I'd want it so I don't actually have to stop. I want to be able to walk past a door every 5m, and take pics of every door, withot stopping.02:18
SpeedEvilAnd without holding the phone all the time.02:18
lcukthen look into the timelapse stuff02:19
SpeedEvilAnyway - the lack of music with shutter open is enogh of a ultimate killer that the stock is out.02:19
lcukand a headband02:19
SpeedEvilI was thinking pocket.02:19
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lcuknipple pix ftw02:19
lindi-SpeedEvil: would a car actually be easier here?02:20
SpeedEvillindi-: It depends.02:20
SpeedEvillindi-: A) My car is currently broken.02:20
lcuki dont think a car would fit in his shirt pocket02:20
SpeedEvilB) you need quite significant cameras to be able to read doornumbers from a car which may be 20m away02:21
SpeedEvilA moving car02:21
SpeedEvilI do have a design for this - but no funding.02:21
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lcukwow i didnt think they used OCR to get street numbers02:22
lcukmore looking in the land registry02:22
lcukfrom on the go vehicles02:22
SpeedEvilopenstreetview != streetview02:22
SpeedEvilOne is google, the other is randoms with cameras.02:22
lcukno, but what you just described02:22
SpeedEvilI would be quite astonished if google has not used OCR and related tech on their streetview imagery to generate maps.02:23
SpeedEvilAlso - in the UK - there are copyright issues with the land registry.02:24
SpeedEvilOr at least there werre.02:24
SpeedEvilI mean - the land registry database is derived from ordnance survey.02:24
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lcukSpeedEvil, cool project ideas \o02:26
MohammadAGsigh, how do I display an image with pyQt?02:26
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MohammadAGnight lcuk02:26
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lcukMohammadAG, see healthcheck02:26
MohammadAGhealthcheck doesn't display photos...02:27
MohammadAGor images02:27
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MohammadAGhmm, it does02:31
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MeldiuzDoes anyone what is the wifi manager? I mean what is the command to restart it?02:46
zokierMohammadAG, might help you?02:46
zokier(my first qt+python app! :))02:47
MohammadAGzokier, first app here, healthcheck's code helped :)02:47
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MNZI'm off to zzland03:46
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aircan control panel plugins be directly launched with a command?04:24
SpeedEvilthey are libraries loaded by the control panel app04:24
SpeedEvilAs I understand it.04:24
airi know that, just wondering if control panel has a parameter to launch them04:25
SpeedEvilI would wonder about dbus04:25
SpeedEvilI doubt it though04:25
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MohammadAGhmm, is there a way to keep cat-ing a file till the value in it changes?04:36
mortiniprobalby not waht you're looking for, but watch?04:37
mortiniwatch just runs whatever command over and over every x seconds04:37
airwatch wouldnt abort04:38
airyou could use while 1 in a script and test the file each iteration04:39
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airV=`cat filename` while [ 1 ]; do [ "$V" -ne "`cat filename`" ] && exit done04:41
airsomething like that04:42
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SpeedEvilMohammadAG: do you mean till the file changes?04:53
SpeedEvilMohammadAG: find will do that perhaps - if newer than04:53
SpeedEvilgnu find04:53
MohammadAGI need to monitor a proc entry04:53
MohammadAGwhen it changes I want to send a dbus command04:54
SpeedEvilthose aren't real files04:54
MohammadAGall in sh04:54
MohammadAGtrue, but they can be cat'd ;)04:54
SpeedEvilThey don't change unless you read htem04:54
SpeedEvilSo while, read, ...04:54
MohammadAGisn't there something like while `cat /proc/node` = "somevalue"; loop; else echo etc...04:55
MohammadAGif you get what I mean04:55
air<air> V=`cat filename` while [ 1 ]; do [ "$V" -ne "`cat filename`" ] && exit done04:55
air<air> V=`cat filename` while [ "$V" -ne "`cat filename`" ]; do sleep 1 done04:56
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ebzzryDoes a website exists that lists available packages, for say extras-testing?07:33
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budfiveanybody know how to submit patches to hildon? There's a gitorious web interface but I can't find a mailing list of bugzilla or anything of that nature07:55
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budfiveair: hildon maintainers read the main maemo bugzilla?08:14
slonopotamusbudfive: there are hildon maintainers?08:16
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budfiveslonopotamus: somebody pushes to the repo...08:18
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budfiveslonopotamus: ok.... somebody still has commit access08:20
budfiveslonopotamus: I don't have rights to just push into the repo. Are you saying that nobody at all does this anymore?08:21
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slonopotamusbudfive: those few pushes that happened after that commit were from same person08:22
slonopotamusbudfive: i guess all people who had commit access still have it08:22
slonopotamus"few" = 308:22
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budfiveslonopotamus: ok. I'll send my patch to the maemo bugzilla, and if somebody picks it up, great. Don't have time to take over maintenance myself, sadly08:24
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ebzzryair: thanks08:38
adalalhey, i was wondering if there is a way to sync the n900 over bluetooth to evolution..08:38
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MiXu-adalal: I prefer Syncml over HTTP over any type of local sync.08:39
MiXu-Makes things much easier08:40
adalalMiXu-: right, but that involves getting a 3rd party?08:40
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MiXu-adalal: Not unless you run the server yourself08:40
MiXu-Funambol server is pretty easy to setup for example08:41
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adalalMiXu-: all good, but won't that mean that I'll have to create a ad-hoc network if i need to sync w/o any wireless stations present?08:44
MiXu-It's up to you how you want to do it as long as 1) The server is accessible from public internet and 2) the clients can access the internet08:45
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adalalMiXu-: im sure it can be done over local network right?08:52
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MiXu-adalal: Sure can, but then you're tied to that network for sync. And where's the fun in that :)08:53
adalalMiXu-: i wanna be able to sync on the go08:53
adalalon my laptop08:53
adalali dont have a desktop to bank on with me08:53
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jpinx-eeepcwhen I ssh into the n900 and sshfs the filesystem to a local box (my eeepc) and create a file in the micro SD card it still comes up as being owned byt the sysem user 29999 and I can not work the file over sshfs. How do I get around this?09:10
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jpinx-eeepcI even created a new user in the n900 and tried to use that for working over sshfs, but everything seems to revert to being owned by 2999909:12
spinningcompassjpinx-eeepc: Is the micro SD card in the N900?09:13
ieatlintthere's likely -o mount option to override the uid09:13
spinningcompassieatlint: Yes.09:13
jpinx-eeepc-o allow_others you think?09:13
spinningcompassieatlint: -o gid=... uid=... I think.09:13
jpinx-eeepcok - thanks guys - back to man sshfs ;)09:14
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ieatlintyeah, that looks right, although there is apparently a more advanced feature for it.. "-o idmap"09:14
ieatlint"-o idmap=user" seems right09:15
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CokeHi. Can I remove the default email client?09:15
ieatlintsets the uid to that of the authenticated ssh user... basicall -o uid, but autodetecting hte right uid09:15
jpinx-eeepccool - thanks - let me disentangle the mess I am in first ;)09:15
jpinx-eeepctoo many logins...09:16
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CokeOr at least remove the link from the apps page?09:16
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CokeWhat email program is recommended09:22
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CokeJust installed claws and I cant use it with my fingers, the UI is too tiny09:22
merlin1991to remove the link from the apps page just rename/remove the .desktop file09:22
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Cokewhere are the desktop files?09:23
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CokeIn any case, there's no point in removing that email cient if I cannot find a replacement.09:23
Cokeclaws isn't really ported for a touch screen so I gotta try and find something else.09:24
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Cokeno kinetic scrolling and must use pen will make it very cumbersome to work in claws.09:25
daniel32708Guys, anyone knows a link to installing android on the n810 to run as a maemo app?    The ones I have found date back to 2008...a crappy android...  any help would be greatly appreciated!09:26
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CokeOk, I've tried both Claws and QMF, both lack proper finger-adapted controls for quick and easy use. I cannot find any other email applications by searching for "mail" in the application manager, any suggestions?09:28
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CreamyGwhat's wrong with the default one?09:29
CokeIt can't handle attachments properly09:30
rasteryay! can't!09:30
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CokeOr some anyway.09:31
CokeBut it's bad enough that some can't be handled.09:31
CreamyGcan't you save them?09:31
Cokethere's no menu option09:31
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CokeGot a support issue on it yesterday09:32
CreamyGthat's dumb09:32
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CokeYeah I know.09:32
CokeIt's marked as "has attachment", but the menu item isnt there09:33
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CokeOk, so what mail client to use then?09:38
CokeIs there any finger friendly replacement that can save attachments, always?09:38
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CreamyGyeah i dunno man, i used to use claws on an n800, now i use the default09:39
rasterDocScrutinizer:  DOC!!!!!!09:39
CreamyGits slow but i never had problems09:39
rasterDocScrutinizer: wossap?09:39
rastera bit early fro that09:39
DocScrutinizeryeah :-/09:39
airclaws is finger friendly, if you have small fingers :)09:39
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DocScrutinizerI had warmer xmas09:40
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rastersudden weather change over in de?09:40
DocScrutinizernot so sudden, seems since a month or so now09:41
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rasterbeen warm and stuff here09:42
DocScrutinizerJuli was hot like hell, Aug is more winter than summer09:42
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jpinx-eeepchot here :)09:43
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rasteri'd rather freeze than sweat :)09:46
rasterfreezi ng can be solved with some vigorous activity09:46
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DocScrutinizerraster: is there also a R's parcel service next to bank of R?09:52
DocScrutinizerraster: DHL is too daft to get a package from HEL to Moscow09:54
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CokeI dont understand why it can detect the attachment, but won't add any menu to save it.09:55
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DocScrutinizerCoke: maybe this is related to the code?09:55
CokeWhat code?09:55
DocScrutinizerthe program code09:55
CokeYes, ofcourse it is.09:56
CokeIt's a bug. :)09:56
DocScrutinizeryes, that's what it's usually called :-P09:56
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CokeI'm just amazed to find it09:57
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CokeIt's 2010, rfc 822 and 2045 have been around for quite a while09:58
DocScrutinizeriirc it's been lingering around since 1.0 alias "I noticed some attachment bug in Dec 2009"09:58
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CreamyGopening attachments is probably patented by apple or microsoft or something09:59
CokeWell, it makes the entire client unusable for me since it's important that I can save upload the attachments09:59
CokeCreamyG: no, these things have been standard for ages09:59
DocScrutinizerIt just hit me for mails sent by iPhone09:59
meceI get all warm and cuddly when I read about meego for n900 progress.09:59
* mece hugs Stskeeps09:59
CokeDocScrutinizer: same problem?10:00
CreamyGthat doesn't mean it's not patented lol. i'm kidding but seriously lots of email stuff is patented10:00
Cokerfc 822 and mime is not patented10:00
CokeIt's been around since 198210:00
DocScrutinizerA friend sent me some dunnowhat from his iPhone, and the mail's attachment wasn't accessible10:00
CreamyGyeah but all they do is reword it to "method for" xxxxx "on a portable device" and they get a patent10:01
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DocScrutinizerlemme see if I can spot the mail10:01
CreamyGnokia won't display the new emails on our email widget due to "legal issues" for example10:01
CreamyGi bet their lawyers are afraid of something10:02
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DocScrutinizerCreamyG: wut?10:04
CokeCould you find the actual bug report?10:05
CokeI'm not sure what to search on10:05
CreamyGuhh sure, its kinda funny. i get emails  from it every few weeks.10:06
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Cokelike "email attachment broken" ?10:06
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CreamyGno its for the widget that is useless that they don't want to fix due to "legal issues"10:07
povbotBug 10294: Email desktop widget does not display mails from Nokia Messaging accounts10:07
CokeCreamyG: no thats not it at all10:09
Cokenot even close10:09
CreamyGwell i never said it was10:09
CokeSorry, thought you were responding there10:10
Cokepublic standards since 1982, they cant make it happen10:12
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CreamyGwell, i would file a new bug report10:13
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CreamyGthey might actually fix it10:14
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CokeWell, looks like I cannot receive any attachments from any Apple product.10:16
CokeSo, who isn't complying with standards, Apple or Nokia?10:16
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CreamyGit's probably the government, reading all the emails and assembling them back together wrong10:17
DocScrutinizerok, multipart-related:[HTML-document; JPEG] doesn't show the jpeg picture "embedded" into the html code10:17
DocScrutinizerContent-Type: multipart/alternative;10:18
DocScrutinizer   boundary=Apple-Mail-1-24574934410:18
DocScrutinizer Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit10:18
DocScrutinizer X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (7D11)10:18
DocScrutinizer Mime-Version: 1.0 (iPhone Mail 7D11)10:18
CokeDocScrutinizer: actually10:19
DocScrutinizersending a photo per mail was/is failing at least up to PR1.1.110:19
CokeI had another mail from a mac with PNG's10:19
Cokeit would show the PNG's but I couldnt save them as attachmetns10:19
CokeI think the Maemo mail client is just buggy as a mofo10:20
DocScrutinizerContent-Type: text/plain;10:20
DocScrutinizerContent-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit10:20
CokeSince it worked fine in the other clietns.10:20
DocScrutinizerContent-Type: multipart/related;10:21
DocScrutinizerContent-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit10:21
DocScrutinizerContent-Type: text/html;10:21
DocScrutinizerContent-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit10:21
DocScrutinizerContent-Disposition: inline;10:22
DocScrutinizerContent-Transfer-Encoding: base6410:22
DocScrutinizerContent-Type: image/jpeg;10:22
air -- is that the most current way to enable rotation?10:23
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DocScrutinizerNo, N900 has even more current ways :-/  Could you ask better questions please?10:26
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airdoesnt n900 come with rotation? :)10:27
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DocScrutinizerI'm absolutely sure this Q wasn't better than the prev one10:30
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sobczykhi is there any software to track distance to inputted gps coordinate?10:44
sobczykbut without any maps10:44
sobczykinput a coordinate (or a set) and the phone to track how far (and direction if possible) is the first destination point10:45
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fluxhas anyone compiled Darcs for n900?10:48
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DocScrutinizerafaik Ovi Maps is doing that, though with maps10:51
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sobczyki know software that does it with maps10:51
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sobczykI just want the maps part stripped, since I have no connectivity10:52
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DocScrutinizerI thought no connectivity would strip the maps part automatically ;-D10:52
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sobczykyes, but the software often complains to connect10:52
DocScrutinizeralso probably it's impossible to define POS/waypoints by lat/lon10:53
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DocScrutinizeranyway for all the maps apps there's some method or another to dl all map tiles and use local cache only, so no need for connectivity then10:55
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JaffaMorning, all11:04
lcukMorning Jaffa, rest of rabble \o11:05
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[DarkGUNMAN-Ext]i prefer afternoon.. more sleep needed11:06
DocScrutinizer51moo lcuk11:06
DocScrutinizer51moo Jaffa11:07
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lcukok Maemo, we have a problem.  can someone please confirm that Maemo can multitask better than a piffly Nokia E5 :P11:12
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Jaffa"World multitasking record"?11:12
lcukthats what I thought11:12
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lcukonly 74 apps11:12
lcukI bet we can beat that with different app instances easily11:13
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dani_zaihi there ...i hv some stupid Qs to ask about my N900....if anyone wants to help ...pls PM me THX!!11:13
merlin1991hm was it ~question or ~ask?11:14
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valdyndani_zai: just ask here, dont limit your audience11:15
dani_zaii got my N900 yesterday ...and just now i was searching for apps11:15
dani_zaiand then i downloaded them to my PC11:16
dani_zaibut i donno how to install them to my phone11:16
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dani_zaii cant open the file11:16
merlin1991is it a .deb?11:16
valdyndani_zai: delete the files on your pc, use the n900 app manager or ovi fromt he n90011:16
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dani_zaiic...i thought i can install them from the PC11:17
dani_zaistupid me =.=11:17
valdyndani_zai: you *can* but its harder than what I just recommended11:17
dani_zaiok ...thx for the help!!!11:18
merlin1991not that hard if it's .deb files, copy them over in mass storage mode, unplug phone, and open in file manager11:18
DocScrutinizer51merlin1991: both11:19
valdynand fix dependencies if needed and fix repositories if its needed and..11:19
infobotfrom memory, question is If you have a question and want people to give useful answers, make sure you have read this first:
infobotQuestions in the channel should be specific, informative, complete, concise, and on-topic.  Don't ask if you can ask a question first.  Don't ask if a person is there; just ask what you intended to ask them.  Better questions more frequently yield better answers.  We are all here voluntarily or against our will.11:19
Jaffadneary: Thanks for picking up my point about community work duplication in a much more eloquent way (I tend not to quote Benedictus de Spinosza ;-))11:19
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dnearyJaffa, I had to look up who said it :)11:19
dnearyIt was supposed to be Spinoza, did I spell it wrong?11:20
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Jaffadneary: You had an extra S. I wonder if anyone will complain ;-)11:20
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dnearyJaffa, It doesn't shock11:20
dnearyso perhaps not11:20
dnearyAnd who knows, maybe it's a valid alternative spelling :)11:21
DocScrutinizer51lcuk: what? fire up 100+ apps then screenshot top or what's all that about?11:21
jo-erlenddoes anybody know of a widget that shows if computers are up or down based on ping? That would be nice, I think.11:21
dnearyJaffa, It's always the same, though - professional organisers don't like to leave wires hanging11:21
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dnearyYou don't feel comfortable when you say "I need someone to make sure that X happens, I'm not going to do it - let me know"11:22
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dneary(at the core is a basic belief that you can't trust the community to just make things happen, and this belief is often proved correct)11:22
dnearyHowever, if you do it right, great things can happen11:23
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DocScrutinizerlcuk: I'd happily do a `for (( i=0; i<100; i++ )); do someshittyapp&; done` and screenshot the htop header, but honestly - I don't see any way to answer that nonsense on
jpinx-eeepcI just loaded lots of .mp3s into a folder I made in MyDocs, but how do I get the media player to play them?11:31
keriojpinx-eeepc: wait for tracker to get off his lazy ass and index them11:31
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DocScrutinizerlcuk: hell, I'm even willing to `/etc/init.d/dbus-scripting start` XD - and snapshot htop showing 900+ processes11:32
keriowhile he's doing that, expect the cpu to become fully used and your n900 to be unresponsive11:32
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BCMMjpinx-eeepc: if you're in a hurry, you can open them from the file manager11:32
kerioDocScrutinizer: lol11:32
lcukDocScrutinizer, impossible.11:33
jpinx-eeepcnah - not desperaate - I'll leave it overnight to index, etc11:33
kerionot sure how they define "applications"11:33
lcukwe just have to face it, the E5 is better at multitasking than the N90011:33
DocScrutinizerninehundered! Mobilegeekinc take THAT!11:33
keriolcuk: .<11:33
DocScrutinizerE5, eat it!11:34
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DocScrutinizerjpinx-eeepc: install load applet!! watch CPU usage. When tracker finished and CPU going down from 100% to a reasonable low number, probably tracker has finished his friggin indexing and mediaplayer is ready to show/play your media11:37
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DocScrutinizermaemo6 MUST have load applet by default!11:37
infobotThe key words "MUST", "MUST NOT", "REQUIRED", "SHALL", "SHALL NOT", "SHOULD", "SHOULD NOT", "RECOMMENDED",  "MAY", and "OPTIONAL" in this document are to be interpreted as described in RFC 2119.11:37
jpinx-eeepcDocScrutinizer: ok thanks11:38
kerioDocScrutinizer: or use tracker-status11:38
DocScrutinizerall I use that matches *tracker* is `killall trackerd`11:39
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DocScrutinizershould try `apt-get remove tracker` eventually11:41
keriopretty sure the media player depends on it11:41
DocScrutinizerbah, purge that crap as well XP11:41
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kerioi'd use canola but it's ugly11:43
kerioand i'm not sure if it supports the bluetooth media keys11:43
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lcukkerio, i believe canola said it thinks you are ugly too11:45
DocScrutinizerbtw my prev statement was a lie. A `history|grep track` shows "mcedit .config/tracker/tracker.cfg"11:45
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ieatlintthen you must be pretty autistic11:45
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kerionah, words - especially loud words - can bring autistics down quickly11:46
ieatlintautistic kids rock11:46
keriosure, in their chair11:47
ieatlintyeah, it's an awesome t-shirt11:47
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* DocScrutinizer starts rocking in his chair11:47
kerioi'd start rocking but i'm laying down on the couch11:48
DocScrutinizer*COUGH*  >>GNU bash, Version 4.0.33(1)-release (i586-suse-linux-gnu)<<  >>GNU bash, version 2.05b.0(1)-release (arm-unknown-linux-gnueabi)<<11:50
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DocScrutinizerlooks like maemo-bash is a *TAD* out of date11:51
soltysyeap, 3.2 is quite old ;)11:52
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DocScrutinizer3.2?? 2.05b.0(1) !!! WTF!?11:52
DocScrutinizer~lart bash-maintainer11:53
* infobot executes killall -TERM bash-maintainer11:53
soltyshm 3.2 is in extras or sth like that iirc11:53
DocScrutinizerkillall bash-maintainer: error: no process to kill11:53
DocScrutinizerkillall: bash-maintainer: no process killed11:54
DocScrutinizermore like:11:55
DocScrutinizer~seen bash-maintainer11:55
infoboti haven't seen 'bash-maintainer', DocScrutinizer11:55
DocScrutinizerthat's more to the point11:56
DocScrutinizersoltys: yeah, heard something like pkg-name: bash311:56
DocScrutinizerthought it's the *old* version X-P11:57
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DocScrutinizerbash2.05  GAH!!! HELL FIRE AND BRIMSTONE!!!! BURN!!! DIE!!! MWAHAHAHAHA!!!!11:58
DocScrutinizerto use diction of debian11:58
soltysDocScrutinizer: bash3 3.2.33(2)-release (arm-unknown-linux-gnu) ..11:58
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DocScrutinizerwill apt-get install bash3  kick out that friggin ol bash2.05?12:01
merlin1991searching for "GAH!!! HELL FIRE AND BRIMSTONE!!!! BURN!!! DIE!!! MWAHAHAHAHA!!!!" on google gives several irclogpages from this channel as result :D12:01
alteregocheck it's details, it should if the package name is the same "bash"12:02
DocScrutinizerpackage name is bash312:02
DocScrutinizerthough the executable should be bash12:02
DocScrutinizerso conflict with bash pkg12:02
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DocScrutinizerThe following packages have unmet dependencies:12:04
DocScrutinizer  bash3: Conflicts: bash12:04
DocScrutinizer  mp-fremantle-generic-pr: Depends: hildon-desktop (= 1:2.2.138-1+0m5) but 1:2.2.142-1 is to be installed12:04
DocScrutinizerfirst OK, but WTF for #2?!12:04
johnxapt-cache policy hildon-desktop12:04
DocScrutinizererr policy?12:05
DocScrutinizer(apt noob here)12:05
johnxit should tell you about the candidates to install for that package12:05
DocScrutinizerFSCK!!! I installed the HD with bugfix, from mohammad repo12:06
johnxone candidate is the one already installed. another candidate may be available from some repo. apt-cache policy $pkg tells you which version of $pkg from which repo will be installed12:06
merlin1991another apt-noob question, apt tells me there are 18 packets to upgrade, how do I let it list the names?12:06
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johnxmerlin1991: apt-get upgrade should tell you ...12:06
merlin1991and goes straight ahead doing the upgrades :/12:07
DocScrutinizerwhat's that been? --force-install?12:07
johnxthat's not right ...12:07
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG51: PING12:07
DocScrutinizer~lart bash3-maintainer12:08
* infobot beats bash3-maintainer into protomatter with the andromeda galaxy12:08
johnxmerlin1991: apt-get upgrade should always prompt unless you use apt-get upgrade -y or something ...12:08
merlin1991I guess I'm unlucky :D12:09
merlin1991also I still haven't figured out when apt-get install x promts me and when not12:09
_trinecan anyone tell what the differences if any exists between board revistion 2101, 2104 and 220412:09
Khertan_Morning everyone  !12:09
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johnxmerlin1991: if you somehow hit enter twice when running apt-get upgrade, the second enter will accept the default answer which is yes. does it print the prompt at all on apt-get upgrade ? (Do you want to continue [Y/n]?)12:10
merlin1991normally yes, but sometimes not12:11
johnxuhm, as for when apt-get install prompts. I'm *pretty sure* it prompts when it has to change the state of packages besides the one you asked for to install the package you wanted12:11
johnxie, it has to get dependencies, or deal with a conflict12:11
merlin1991what would be the best way, to get the size of the package without installing?12:12
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djszapiWill this Maemo 6 / Harmattan come with Qt UI solution instead of the 'old' Hildon / GTK ?12:12
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johnxmerlin1991: well you can at least tell it -d for download only12:18
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johnxdoesn't help if you're worried about using up your data plan though12:18
johnxanyways, gotta get some sleep12:18
johnx2:18AM here O_o;12:18
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Milo-anyone know how to access the sqlite database where n900 keeps its alarms? or calendar entries?12:25
merlin1991afaik you can call sqlite in xterm12:26
infobotmerlin1991 meant: afaik you can call sqlite3 in xterm12:26
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Milo-'.tables' shows nothing :/12:28
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Milo-I might need a file as well12:29
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Milo-well can't find the database I'm looking for12:31
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Khertan_I'm looking for a qt expert to help me : I got some problem with QStyledItemDelegate on a QListView. Specially the size hint. When my window rotate (on maemo) sizeHint isn't called again and the height isn't enought due to text wrap ... how can i force the resize to call sizeHint ? what is strange is that everything is well resized, text well wrapped but height for the row keep the same height than when i was using 800x480 windows12:32
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Khertan_Milo-: sqlite /home/user/.calendar/calendardb12:39
Milo-Khertan_ bah, looked for .sqlite :)12:39
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Milo-assuming I can modify that by hand, will those new alarms still be triggered if the phone is off, or is there another system for that?12:48
DocScrutinizerMilo-: check alarmed pkg12:51
Milo-DocScrutinizer Will do.12:52
DocScrutinizerMilo-: unrelated to calendar, but nice alarms12:52
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DocScrutinizerMilo-: calendar probably also using alarmd lib, like alarmed (with 'e') app does12:54
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Milo-probably alarm daemon13:00
Milo-DocScrutinizer is it in extras, -testing or -devel?13:01
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DocScrutinizerdunno, sorry13:03
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MNZgood morning #maemo!13:32
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MNZI've been flashing the kernel several times in a row, trying new code. Now whatever I do (even restoring the original kernel) the device boots, the loading dots appear, the charging led sequence starts, then black screen...13:58
MNZand it keeps charging13:58
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DocScrutinizertime for a full combined fiasco flash?14:17
merlin1991hm any way to enanble the fm transmitter when connected over usb?14:17
MNZ:( but wwwhhhhyyy? I didn't DO anything....14:17
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DocScrutinizermerlin1991: check jacekowski's fm* pkg, it should enable this14:17
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merlin1991in devel or where?14:18
DocScrutinizerMNZ: no idea, maybe the kernels did something14:18
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DocScrutinizermerlin1991: I don't know, someone else here should have better advise14:19
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DocScrutinizerjacekowski: ping14:19
jo-erlendis there only one contact list in maemo? I'd like to have more than one and to choose which one to synchronize with my desktop.14:20
keriomerlin1991: no packages14:21 will have everything you need14:21
MNZmeh full flash, it works. I just have no idea why. frig.14:21
jo-erlendDocScrutinizer, was that to me?14:21
jo-erlendDocScrutinizer, elaborate please?14:22
DocScrutinizerNot Available14:22
merlin1991let's see if I break somehting :D14:22
DocScrutinizerMNZ: :-D14:22
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jo-erlendoh. I wonder why. It uses a standard evolution-data-server, doesn't it?14:23
DocScrutinizerMNZ: just a silly question: you removed batery, so occasional PMU (twl4030) lockups could reset?14:23
MNZDocScrutinizer, yes14:24
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MNZDocScrutinizer, why?14:26
merlin1991replaced the binary and now I get failed to change fmtx state :/14:27
DocScrutinizer51thought it might cure the problem14:27
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MNZoh well... I spent last night debugging my code.... stripped it apart... all for no reason :'(14:28
sobczykis there a is there a python wrapper for liblocation?14:28
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merlin1991the hacked binary didn't work :/14:34
merlin1991using it disabled the fm transmitter completely14:34
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merlin1991I reverted back to the original14:36
lizardosobczyk: python-location14:37
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keriomerlin1991: you're lying14:42
merlin1991kerio, no14:42
merlin1991as soon as I used the hacked binary I got errors14:42
merlin1991shall I ss them for you ? :P14:42
MNZhrmmm I blew it up again.... I have a feeling I'm generating fiasco images in a wrong way....... but it's the same script that I've always used14:44
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MNZ"fiasco-gen -o /home/mnzaki/devel/kernel/zImage.fiasco -g -k arch/arm/boot/zImage"  <--- is something wrong with this?14:48
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MNZdid anyone know that if you have a fiasco image and use "fiasco-gen -o" over the same file it fscks up the system when you flash it?????????14:55
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mikki-kunsorry, my network kinda lagged badly :/14:59
DocScrutinizerMNZ: uh? So it needs a nonexistent destination or what do you mean to say?15:02
DocScrutinizerMNZ: (sorry, never used fiasco-gen)15:03
MNZDocScrutinizer, yes :@ :@ :@ I don't know what it tries to do when the file already exists, but it clears fsks the rootfs when I flash an image generated this way15:03
infobotMNZ meant: DocScrutinizer, yes :@ :@ :@ I don't know what it tries to do when the file already exists, but it clearly fsks the rootfs when I flash an image generated this way15:04
DocScrutinizerhmm, so at least you found the root cause of your problems :-D15:04
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MNZI spent a friggin night debugging this. WTF15:05
DocScrutinizernot nice15:05
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DocScrutinizerfile a ticket against fiasco-gen; attach a hotfix: a shellscript called fiasco-gen to go to local/bin that rm's the image prior to calling original fiasco-gen15:07
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tuliobaarshey, man15:22
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pigeonwhat's the color depth on the n900 (for GLES if that matters)?16:07
oscillikit's 3 colours deep16:08
oscillikit's deeper than water16:08
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pigeonheh, 16bit per pixel is it?16:10
Wolfieoscillik: i'm sorry, but you're awfully wrong. I've seen waters that is more than three colors16:10
Wolfieis = has16:10
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oscillikyou sir, are a charlatan and a deciever16:10
Wolfielies, again!16:11
Wolfieoscillik is making up wild stories16:11
Wolfieaccusations, even16:12
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kerioooh, that Nokia U is pretty sweet16:16
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kerioi wonder if people think before talking16:16
keriohow can you add optical zoom but not a keyboard16:16
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h4xordoodheyo :) folks how are you all here ?16:36
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crashanddieKhertan_: "But gif is proprietary!"16:50
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mortiniso is qt :)16:53
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SpeedEvilQT is probably old enough that GIF was patented when it was being designed16:55
SpeedEvilthe patent rrran out in 2003?16:55
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mortinii thought it was before that, but, yeah.16:58
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MohammadAGX-Fade, ping17:00
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X-FadeMohammadAG: pong17:01
MohammadAGX-Fade, I remember you told me the autobuilder doesn't have outside access right?17:01
MohammadAGdoes it have access to *
X-FadeMohammadAG: To the repository machine.17:02
MohammadAGso can I wget a source?17:03
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X-FadeMohammadAG: Technically yes, but that really is bad design.17:03
MohammadAGX-Fade, it's better than include binaries in the source package I guess...17:03
X-Fademortini: You should always include everything you need in your source package.17:03
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MohammadAGX-Fade, I won't include a whole kernel source in my package, for obvious reasons17:04
X-FadeHmm tab-foo.17:04
X-FadeMohammadAG: What are you trying to do?17:04
MohammadAGtitan has kernel-power-source disabled from debian/rules17:04
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MohammadAGbuild modules against kernel sources17:04
X-FadeMohammadAG: Get him to fix that then?17:04
X-FadeMohammadAG: It is stupid to work around things like that.17:05
MohammadAGI pm'd him yesterday, no reply yet and I need to release the app now17:05
X-FadeAlways a wasted effort and it really doesn't scale.17:05
X-FadeMohammadAG: Patience grasshopper.17:05
MohammadAGX-Fade, can't, I announced the release as yesterday and delayed it cause of this :)17:06
X-FadeMohammadAG: Then you should have thought about it more before opening your mouth :)17:06
MohammadAGalso, ENDED 2010-08-10 10:0917:06
MohammadAGso he's pretty much disappeared17:06
X-FadeClearly bad planning.17:06
mortiniX-Fade: eh?17:07
X-FadeWell or he doesn't think it is stable enough. Or doesn't want it in Extras.17:07
X-Fademortini: Sorry tab completion..17:07
MohammadAGX-Fade, can the autobuilder fetch sources using apt-get source17:08
JaffaYay, MWKN's Twitter feed is back17:09
X-FadeJaffa: Check out stats in download per repo.17:09
JaffaX-Fade: URL?17:10
X-FadeJaffa: Any app in downloads.17:10
MohammadAG"We have over 250,000 apps in the App Store. We don't need any more Fart apps." lmfao17:10
X-FadeMohammadAG: Yes it should.17:10
JaffaX-Fade: Hmm, something happened in August which meant more people got stuff from Extras-devel than Extras:
JaffaX-Fade: Blog post I can link to?17:12
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X-FadeJaffa: In the airport atm :) Had some time to hack on it while waiting on the plane :)17:13
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JaffaX-Fade: Cool :-)17:13
fralsoh cool, per repo stats!17:13
X-FadeJaffa: But the extras devel growth in downloads, I can't explain. It is not for every package in extras-devel.17:13
* frals needs to update fmms_stats.py17:13
X-FadeJaffa: Some packages even got lower downloads. So it is not some form of heavy mirroring.17:14
Jaffafrals: Willing to share for people to get
JaffaX-Fade: Does seem common with vim, hermes & catorise FWIW17:14
fralsJaffa: heh, sure, it really just adds the numbers together and prints a total ;)17:14
Jaffafrals: Saves me having to do it :-p17:14
X-FadeJaffa: Yeah, can fapman be the cause?17:15
X-FadeJaffa: Does it prefer one repo over the other, the other way around?17:15
JaffaX-Fade: Does it enable -devel by default?17:15
MohammadAGX-Fade, if that works then it's already solved, cd /usr/src && apt-get source kernel-power && cd cd kernel-power-2.6.28 && for x in `cat debian/patches/series | grep -v "#"`; do patch -p1 <debian/patches/$x; done && make -j $(NJOBS) EXTRAVERSION=.10power40 bzImage17:15
JaffaX-Fade: HAM will go for highest version17:15
MohammadAGtypo, double cds17:15
X-FadeJaffa: Yes, but if the versions are the same?17:16
JaffaX-Fade: Oh, interesting.17:16
JaffaX-Fade: Good question17:16
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X-FadeJaffa: The jump amount is not the same for all apps at least. So it almost has to be some manual install thing.17:17
fralsJaffa: ill link it on twitter once ive updated it for this new brilliant feature :-)17:17
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X-FadeJaffa: But the jump starts at Aug 2.17:17
X-Fadefrals: d1,2,3 now.17:17
X-FadeOk, time to get some personal space. People are gathering here to board their plane.17:18
kerioKhertan_: why would you use gif over png17:18
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X-FadeI guess I should board too :)17:18
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seifhey guys17:19
Noobmonk3y\me waves17:19
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seifone of our devs is having a issue installing the maemo sdk17:19
seifwho can i ask17:19
* Noobmonk3y waves even17:19
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seifwhen we run ./maemo-sdk-install_5.0.sh17:19
seifwe get17:19
Noobmonk3ylol seif join the queueue! hehehe,17:19
seifDISPLAY already set.17:19
seifInstallation environment already set.17:19
seifAdded debconf frontend setting in scratchbox.17:19
seifError opening terminal: xterm.17:19
Noobmonk3yoooo not seen that error b4!17:20
Noobmonk3ylcuk u alive?17:20
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Noobmonk3ythought i'd give you a giggle, just finished a 3hour presentation on open source benefits surround our website, and a new way forward, good news is i didnt get beaten out of the room!!!17:21
kerioNoobmonk3y: hold on17:21
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Noobmonk3ywas aiming at the orther baconite, but afternoon to you too!!17:22
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keriohmm... was BaconBacon banned while i wasn't looking?17:22
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kerioit was :(17:22
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Noobmonk3yawwww pity17:22
kerioDocScrutinizer: how could you17:22
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Khertan_kerio: because twitter profile image are in gif17:23
Khertan_at least some17:23
fralsX-Fade: have a safe flight :)17:23
JaffaX-Fade: Big jump in fapman downloads on August 2nd:
Khertan_hopefully i should be able to convert it using PIL17:24
fralsJaffa: didnt the n900 launch somewhere around end of july?17:24
Jaffafrals: India, around then IIRC17:24
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kerioPIL is awesome17:25
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Jaffafrals: Went on sale June 9th, AFAICT. So probably not that17:26
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fralsJaffa: probably not :)17:28
fralsello Noobmonk3y17:28
RST38hmoo all17:28
* frals slaps a trout with Noobmonk3y 17:28
fralso/ RST38h17:29
Noobmonk3yhey hey!!!!17:29
Noobmonk3yu 2 both having a gd day?17:29
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fralshad better but not bad!17:30
fralshows u?17:30
Noobmonk3yat work :( pooooooo17:30
Noobmonk3ywill be back on irc tonight though!!! yay!17:31
fralsim at work as well but im not complaining!17:31
Khertan_gniééé qpixmap isn't able to load this jpeg too
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Noobmonk3ylolcat, would rather your job... mine is pants atm17:32
Noobmonk3ya move to finland also sounds fun!17:32
JaffaKhertan_: I found with Hermes that there are random Twitter images which are corrupted17:32
fralsNoobmonk3y: not that i mind living here, but i can imagine more fun places to move :D17:33
seifMohammadAG, u therE?17:34
JaffaKhertan_: and see avatar for
povbotBug 7248: aborts when is given non-image data17:34
Noobmonk3ybrighton or finland..... lol17:34
MohammadAGseif, yeah?17:35
seifMohammadAG, can u help me with instlaling the sdk17:35
seifi have an issue here17:35
Khertan_Jaffa: but they display well on chrome :)17:36
seifi get17:37
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seifPress Enter to accept (Crtl+C to cancel).17:37
seifDISPLAY already set.17:37
seifInstallation environment already set.17:37
seifAdded debconf frontend setting in scratchbox.17:37
seifError opening terminal: xterm.17:37
MNZHas anyone actually used flasher to load a kernel on the fly?17:39
MNZI mean load and boot a kernel without actually flashing it17:39
TermanaMNZ, yes17:40
MNZTermana, how? I've been trying and it doesn't seem to work. It gets to the five loading dots then black screen17:41
MNZthat means kernel actually booted, but init failed17:41
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Khertan_MNZ: i ve tryed ... but didn't seems to work for me17:41
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TermanaMNZ, are you sure you have the modules there for your kernel, and that the kernel is actually a working kernel?17:42
TermanaIt definitely works, I done it when I loaded up MeeGo17:42
MNZI tried by just using the command as --help suggests, and when I googled I only found any mention of this on a meego wiki17:43
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MNZI think there are some args I need to pass to the kernel maybe?17:43
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TermanaMNZ, not as long as you have set the defaults right in the kernel config before compiling17:44
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MohammadAGseif, reinstall scratchbox17:50
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toggles_wany packaging gurus here? if so, do you know why some apps show icons in the appman the first time and others not?18:21
Khertan_OUch ... reboot of my n900 without any warning18:21
kerioKhertan_: loose battery?18:21
Khertan_nope ... i use mad developpers18:22
Khertan_and use the window networking kernel module18:22
MohammadAGX-Fade, how many builders are there?18:22
Khertan_and launching Wireshark on my windows host make the n900 reboot18:22
MohammadAGKhertan_, broadcasting reboot over ssh reboots my N900 too18:23
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MohammadAGi.e if I reboot my laptop with the reboot command and the N900 was connected via ssh, it reboots too18:23
keriowait, what18:23
MohammadAGbut it annoys me18:24
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MNZMohammadAG, didn't you tell me you can boot a kernel using flasher before? have you done it before?18:25
MohammadAGflasher-3.5 -k image.bin -l -b18:25
MohammadAGyou can specify kernel parameters18:26
MNZyou plug in the usb and get nolo up first right?18:26
MohammadAGyes, hold U and all that stuff18:26
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MNZand image.bin can't be compressed? as in zImage?18:27
MohammadAGit is a zImage :P18:27
MohammadAGidk why i referred to it as image.bin18:27
MNZwell I've tried everything, I get to the five dots stage and then black screen18:27
MNZof death18:27
MohammadAGhmm, what kernel are you flashing?18:27
MNZright now just trying the stock kernel really18:28
MNZto eliminate any other problems18:28
MohammadAGit should boot fine18:28
MohammadAGframebuffer kernels otoh...18:28
MNZwhat's wrong with them? because I use one as well18:28
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Khertan_Hum ... this means that a right tcp packet can reboot the device18:29
Khertan_so we can spam to force reboot :)18:29
MohammadAGMNZ, they crash sometimes, flash them18:30
MohammadAGafter flashing, your device might reboot 3 times, but it will boot... eventually18:30
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MohammadAGMNZ, here's an image if you want one, it's stock but has framebuffer enabled,
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MNZwell I can't even get stock to boot yet :/18:31
MohammadAGand here's a power40 image, same as power but with framebuffer,
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MohammadAGMNZ, don't use -l -b with framebuffer kernels18:31
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MohammadAGthey'll cause you headaches18:31
MohammadAGjust flash them18:31
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Ljrn900how to get maemo xchat to use readable colours???18:32
MNZk, but what I really need is to boot on the fly because I'm testing code and it would be a bit easier this way18:32
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ShadowJKOh right, I installed xchat before the "Make it look like N900's theme" effort went in18:37
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MohammadAGShadowJK, heh18:39
TimSimIs there a way to change the call accept and decline buttons on the n900. I sometimes press a button when i take it out of my pocket.18:41
E0xa slider will nice18:42
MiXu-Yeah. Slider would definitely be nice18:43
MiXu-ALso for alarms etc.18:44
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TimSimjap something like that.18:44
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MohammadAGclosed source, out of ours hands18:46
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MNZMohammadAG, wait... do you remove the usb after kernel is sent???18:46
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MohammadAGMNZ, yeah18:47
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MohammadAGwell, i do18:47
MNZI mean immediately after it, before booting is over18:47
MohammadAGI think I crashed the autobuilder18:47
MohammadAGor it's too slow18:47
MohammadAGMNZ, yes, w/ a USB a framebuffer kernel crashes18:47
MNZbut.... I don't have fb... and the stock kernel definitely doesn't18:48
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MNZbecause I just realized the kernel doesn't boot with usb, even if flashed18:48
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MohammadAGMNZ, I meant that's why I take out the USB18:49
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DocScrutinizerShadowJK: on which device? which version?18:53
ShadowJKDocScrutinizer, N900 in December?18:53
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DocScrutinizerduh, never noticed any difference in theming, and I guess I installed xchat in November18:53
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MNZthe default xchat colors now are complete and utter fail18:54
ShadowJKYou only get the new theme if you installed first time after the theming18:54
ShadowJKotherwise the old xchat.conf from the pre-theming time stays18:54
DocScrutinizeraaah, so I'm happy it stays that way :-P18:55
ShadowJKOr if you delete xchat.conf I think you get the new theme too18:55
DocScrutinizeryep, I remember there was utter madness like white on black and other stuff18:55
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ShadowJKI actually have white (gray) on black on my desktop :P18:56
ShadowJKFrom before xchat (mainline) changed to white bg by default18:56
MNZwhite on black? that woulda been good. IIRC it's dark blue on black18:56
DocScrutinizerwhich I never faced as happily I avoided updating when xchat by default killed the conf on update18:56
ShadowJKiirc my desktop xchat theme is from xchat 1.4.3 days :D18:56
ShadowJKif there was such a version18:56
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jpinx-eeepcblack screen bgs are so much easier on your eyes18:57
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ShadowJKfor sure, first morning I switched on my computer and xchat's white background stabbed my eyes like a C coder stabbing a C++ coder adding (void*) casts to code18:57
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DocScrutinizerjpinx-eeepc: ooh yes18:58
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DocScrutinizermuuuuuuch easier18:58
jpinx-eeepcI am still looking for a gui tabbed editor that will offer a black background18:59
* jpinx-eeepc does a lot of simple text document editing18:59
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DocScrutinizerI think I even copied over the xchat.conf and some other stuff from N810, as it was so annoying to redo all the tweaks19:09
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SpeedEvilremember to remove passwords too19:10
DocScrutinizerhaha, that's be funny to have 50 chanops on each of 10 chan19:11
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DocScrutinizer51and all are MEEEEEEE19:12
* ShadowJK doesn't store passwords in xchat19:13
ShadowJKI just do /server blah blh blah, /newserver blah blah blah on startup to connect to irssi-proxy19:14
DocScrutinizer51that's probably a good idea19:15
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DocScrutinizer51should work with ZNC as well19:15
DocScrutinizerstrange, ZNC passes thru CTCP-version requests19:17
DocScrutinizerI have to say I'm not particularly happy with ZNC19:19
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DocScrutinizerit's ok for one client UA19:19
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liorijpinx-eeepc: gedit?19:25
jpinx-eeepcliori: pulls in some gnome depends --  I believe19:26
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PhonicUKanyone know if Psfreedom has been compiled for the power user kernel yet?19:30
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DocScrutinizer51jpinx-eeepc: which editor wouldn't offer custom settings for fg/bg color?19:34
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jacekowskiDocScrutinizer51: pong19:36
pogI was looking for the package "screen". Dont find it in the maemo repositories. difficult to find something reasolable in google :-)19:36
liorijpinx-eeepc: if you want no deps, use xterm/rxvt and some console editor... vim has tabs19:36
jpinx-eeepcDocScrutinizer51: leafpad19:36
derfpog: Google "GNU screen"19:36
DocScrutinizer51jacekowski: ETIMEOUT19:36
pogo.k thansk derf19:36
Jaffadneary: We seem to be on the same wavelength this week :)19:36
jpinx-eeepcliori: I can use nano, but not very handy and no tabs19:37
dnearyJaffa, Aren't we always?19:37
DocScrutinizer51jacekowski: somebody asked how to enable fmtx while usb plugged in19:37
Jaffadneary: Oh, of course.19:38
pogfound screen
jacekowskiyeah, i've noticed19:39
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GeneralAntillesGood the spec thread is long.19:43
pogI was just looking /etc/apt/sources.list .. all apt-get commands works but this file is empty...19:43
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MNZpog, /etc/apt/sources.list.d19:43
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MNZwindows apps... on wine.... on qemu.... on 600mhz arm....19:45
pogMNZ: thanks19:45
MNZdoes it run crysis?19:45
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jacekowskiMNZ: wine isn't that slow19:45
jacekowskiand hmm, qemu19:45
jacekowskiqemu is slow19:46
jacekowskinot as slow as full emu19:46
jacekowskibut i mean it may be faster than my old ~200mhz pc19:46
pogwhat I don't understand about wine on arm, wine is a api-converter, does it need qemu?19:46
jacekowskipog: yes19:46
MNZpog, it's needed on n900 because of the arm arch, which is not supported by wine19:47
pogI have seen, win98 runs on N900 :-)19:47
jacekowskipog: basicaly what is wine is just a software that loads PE binary into memory, links it with replacement of windows .dlls and runs it19:47
jacekowskibut that's all x8619:47
jacekowskidoes arm wine run fully on qemu?19:47
jacekowskior is it clever enough to have native libraries?19:48
pogI like probably to install vonbasco-midi-player, if it runs unter N90019:48
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lcukMohammadAG, not one mention of KaKaRoTo on the psfreedom post?  tsk tks19:56
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MohammadAGlcuk, hmm, I remember I did mention him, he's mentioned on the package page, and the about page though19:58
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pupnik_  MAME4all on pandora19:58
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lcukMohammadAG, standing on the shoulders of giants..19:59
lcukyou wouldnt have a package to release without his work :P19:59
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MohammadAGlcuk, funny, I wrote that before I read what you said20:00
MohammadAGThanks to:20:00
MohammadAGKaKaRoTo for his hard work on the PSFreedom hack, without it, this app wouldn't be possible20:00
lcukwhen did I help with python!20:02
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MohammadAGlcuk, you've helped me a couple of times, either directly or indirectly20:03
MohammadAGliqbubbles :P20:04
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MohammadAGwould've been cool if the N900's camera slide had a motor20:04
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MohammadAGthen the N900's cam would pop open, take a picture, then auto detect a PS3's model :P20:05
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lcukbut I already had vodka cornflakes for breakfast20:10
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DocScrutinizercornflakes with bacon?20:14
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ebzzryIs there a way to control desktop transitions?20:15
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ebzzry*desktop-switch transitions20:15
DocScrutinizerhmm, vodka cornflakes with bacon, sounds like a decent start for a day20:15
lcukebzzry, transitions.ini or with gui
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ebzzrylcuk: does it include desktop transitions?20:17
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lcukebzzry, read and find out, it might not include something you are thinking, but includes tweaking of a lot of the transitions.ini file20:20
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lcuki believe the default file has notes about what each does, but the ui may not20:20
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ebzzrylcuk: let me check20:23
MohammadAGediting the file with an editor is easier than editing with the GUI20:25
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ebzzrylcuk: no desktop transitions :(20:32
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MNZDocScrutinizer, pretty much finished work on the driver code, but haven't tested the hwdep interface yet.20:47
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MNZDocScrutinizer, I have tested the rest and I *think* there are no more bugs. I also pushed a doc to Documentation/sound/alsa/soc/codecs. If you want, take a quick look over the code?20:48
MNZI have to be at places now, so I'm going off. Will work on libalsa code when back.20:48
MNZcheers #maemo!20:49
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E0xdamn , the chop in the audio when media player is playing and you press the power button with the device lock for saw the time come back to me20:49
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FIQ(17:36:18) (Ljrn900) fiq20:53
FIQoh, he leaved20:53
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luke-jrFIQ: do you know a way to get N900 X-Chat to use sane colours?20:55
SpeedEvilMine is - mosrtly20:56
FIQluke-jr, preferences, colors20:56
FIQchange the second row, it's the theme colors20:57
luke-jrFIQ: didn't see options there for all the bad colours20:57
luke-jrI changed all the ones in that dialog, none fixed it20:57
luke-jrstill black-on-black for local echo and joins/parts20:57
luke-jr(or close to it)20:57
fralsbug #1127320:57
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fralsbug #11272 even20:58
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FIQluke-jr, it may have to do with your theme? i dunno, i've white on black20:58
FIQwait a minute, i've xchat running20:58
FIQtried changing foreground?20:58
FIQif you did, then, no idea20:58
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luke-jrForeground is set to white20:59
FIQbtw, about the local echo, change color 3021:00
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pupnik_  !!  Drag the 'invert lightness' to your bookmark bar and you can darken any webpage in chromium21:11
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lcukpupnik_, works in firefox :)21:12
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pupnik_ok well it's AWESOME21:13
pupnik_except with some pages which suck21:14
pupnik_but it works well with a lot of forum sites21:14
trumeecnat understand why N900 doesnt export SDcard to my linux box. On windows it exports Sdcard via mass storage!21:16
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trumeewhy linux box doesnt see the sdcard, but windows can.21:16
trumeedoesnt make sense to me.21:16
trumeefdisk -l doesnt list the sdcard, it only lists the emmc.21:17
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pupnik_does cat /proc/partitions show it21:18
pupnik_or is that the same thing21:18
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trumeepupnik_: nope, it doesnt show it as well21:19
trumeepupnik_:  although it is indeed umounted when i plug the usb cable into N90021:21
trumeeso N900 is indeed presenting it to the linux box, but the box might be rejecting it. strange.21:21
pupnik_does lsusb show the device?21:22
trumeei have nitdroid installed via nitdroid-installer in the sdcard21:22
pupnik_perhaps you have an ancient linux box21:22
pupnik_the device would show up if it is registered as a hd device on usb bus21:22
pupnik_even if partition table were broken21:22
trumeeBus 001 Device 006: ID 0421:01c7 Nokia Mobile Phones is what i get in lsusb21:23
DocScrutinizerthis is a known feature we see every other day21:23
trumeeit is not an ancient box, a shiny gentoo install :)21:23
trumeeThe sdcard is a Samsung 8gb class 6 card.21:24
trumeepupnik_: should lsusb show Samsung sdcard?21:24
DocScrutinizerseems some distros have problems with multiple storage devices (aka partitions?) via same USB device21:24
DocScrutinizertrumee: check syslog, to see what devices were detected21:25
DocScrutinizermight be an issue with udev, or sth21:25
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trumeeno mention of anything except sdf which is internal emmc21:27
DocScrutinizertruncated prematurely21:27
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trumeeDocScrutinizer: you mean it is my boxes issue?21:28
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DocScrutinizeryup, usually21:28
trumeelet me check this on my suse laptop. brb21:29
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lcukevening RevdKathy \o21:30
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RevdKathyEvening lcuk - how's tricks?21:30
fralso/ RevdKathy21:30
lcukthey are good I believe :)21:30
RevdKathyHi frals. :-)21:30
lcukack RST38h \o21:31
lcukand heya frals21:31
RevdKathylcuk - good-oh!21:31
DocScrutinizerlo kathy21:31
trumeeDocScrutinizer: spot on. it works fine on the suse laptop21:31
pupnik_nice to have two systems for stuff like that21:32
DocScrutinizertrumee: toldya21:33
RevdKathy'lo DocScrutinizer21:33
lcukn900-n900 file copying should be a test case for usb host when we get it running :P21:33
* slonopotamus yawns21:33
trumeepupnik_: yes. although i like gentoo more than suse :)21:33
DocScrutinizerlcuk: :nod:21:33
trumeepupnik_: but suse is somewhat standardised which everybody else understands.21:34
pupnik_yes for education most business clientes wanted suse21:34
pupnik_back in 2003-200421:34
trumeeneed to clear out the sdcard to get the new nitdroid :D21:34
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DocScrutinizersuse here since... yeah since very beginning (of suse)21:36
slonopotamussuse? ain't it from the guys who did netware and (oh, my!) IPX?21:36
DocScrutinizernonsense, you mean Novel21:37
DocScrutinizernovel bought suse, some years ago21:37
slonopotamusi think that page is about suse and it's on novell website21:38
DocScrutinizerso what?21:38
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slonopotamusso suse is made by same company that developed netware21:40
RST38hDoc: Have you already made the latest Modest build part of your SSU?21:40
RST38hOh, wait, wrongperson21:40
slonopotamusRST38h, i guess you need MohammadAG5121:41
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slonopotamusmeh, i have to admit that n800 is superior to n900. i can type '^' on n800 :)21:42
slonopotamusluke-jr, wut?21:42
luke-jrcan't type anything on N80021:43
luke-jrjust tap via touchscreen21:43
slonopotamuson-screen kb21:43
luke-jrand N900 touch-kb has ^ too21:43
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slonopotamusdoesn't matter. n900 on-screen kb doesn't have '^'21:43
DocScrutinizerslonopotamus: yes, and N900 is made by the same company that builds i721:43
luke-jrit does21:43
DocScrutinizerand pentium21:43
slonopotamusluke-jr, not in russian layout21:43
luke-jrwho uses that21:44
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slonopotamus(oh, and n800 has separate up/down/left/right buttons!)21:45
luke-jrok, N800 wins :P21:45
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luke-jrbut not enough RAM!21:45
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DocScrutinizerslonopotamus: which part of "was bought by novel some years ago" is so hard to understand?21:45
slonopotamusDocScrutinizer, how that matters?21:45
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DocScrutinizerslonopotamus: EXACTLY!21:46
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teilzeitstudentIs there a way to stop the app manager to look for updates everytime i connect to some network?21:49
DocScrutinizerit's still the SuSE AG dudes sitting 2km from here (and other places) and developing SLES, like they did before the label of the company changed to Novel. And OpenSuse Linux definitely is not "from the guys who made netware"21:49
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DocScrutinizerit's like stating "Mercedes Benz has been invented by D/C"21:53
kerioslonopotamus: huh? the n900 has separate arrow keys21:54
lcukanyone with ubuntu:  i have a file:   xyz.desktop  I want to edit that file with GUI (its not from an installed program its just in a random folder)21:54
lcukhow can I21:54
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kerioslonopotamus: i can type ^ on my n900 too21:54
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keriowithout vkbd21:54
kerioi set it to... shift+fn+h21:54
lcukmnn nm21:55
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DocScrutinizerlcuk: use a sane desKtop :-P21:55
lcukDocScrutinizer, meh21:55
lcukit works for most other stuff21:55
DocScrutinizerlcuk: then rightclick to the file in a decent Konqueror and select "open with..."21:56
lcukjust can't right click and open in an editor unlike every other filetype21:56
lcukthere isn't an open with..21:56
lcukits missing, .desktop files are part of the desktop21:56
lcukso its not giving usual actions21:56
DocScrutinizernot in konqui21:56
lcukmm change whole desktop for one frustration ;)21:57
DocScrutinizerbut meh, if you want to live with gnomes, us mc instead, hit F421:57
lcuki opened it directly from within the editor but its just wrong way round21:57
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DocScrutinizerit's WHAT?21:58
DocScrutinizerRTL text? :-P21:58
DocScrutinizeror upside down fonts?21:59
lcukhaving to open app, then open the file within it21:59
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* lcuk rarely ever goes into the file menu 21:59
DocScrutinizergnome as a part ob ubuntu is a Vista with some special themes, you can't expect it to work like a decent linux :-P22:00
lcukwell, it wfm and for lots of others22:01
DocScrutinizerI see I see22:02
lcukapart from this niggle!22:02
Khertan_Home Khweeteur 0.0.23 available in #extras-devel ...22:03
DocScrutinizerlcuk: maybe you have to checkmark "show extensions" in Nautilus' settings (or whatever dwarf err gnome is using now for filemanager)22:04
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lcukheh its not a case of hidden extensions22:04
lcukits that gnome actively wants to treat .desktop files as part of the running desktop22:05
DocScrutinizerduh, it's not ? :-P22:05
lcukand I bet changing that association will fsck up the menus and stuff22:05
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* DocScrutinizer shrugs22:05
DocScrutinizergnome... pfft22:05
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ColdFyreis there a pptp gui client for the n900..22:06
DocScrutinizergnome devels won't be happy until the desktop looks, feels, and works like the last EOLed windows version22:07
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GAN900DocScrutinizer, less so these days.22:08
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midas_android on n900 <322:10
GAN900midas_, what's the point?22:10
DocScrutinizernooooo, winmoob7 on N900 ftw :-P22:10
midas_GAN900: it's faster than maemo?22:10
GAN900I mean, if you want Android, spend 50% less and get Android.22:10
GAN900Who cares?22:11
GAN900It's certainly not more capable22:11
luke-jrand Android has CDMA hardware22:11
luke-jrand more RAM22:11
GAN900It doesn't do 3D.22:11
luke-jrneither does N900 as far as I'm concerned22:11
DocScrutinizermine looks rather 3-dimensional X-P22:11
midas_fact :P22:12
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kerioGAN900: Android is the iOS of the poor22:14
DocScrutinizeractually nitdroid is about the most pointless project I ever heard about22:15
luke-jrDocScrutinizer: pfft22:15
luke-jryou've never done something just because you can?22:15
TNZ_Hi all22:15
TNZ_Question about behaviour video calls on googletalk ...22:16
midas_DocScrutinizer: why?22:16
DocScrutinizerbecause everybody is better off with a genuine android hardware22:16
lollooCan I save text in notepad as unicode format? Thank you.22:17
MNZlolloo, you are welcome22:17
TNZ_sound calls and video calls don't work any more since google launched the linux plugin of googletalk :/22:17
luke-jrDocScrutinizer: just think of the bragging points they get for having a handheld that can run Maemo, or Android, or Gentoo22:18
* luke-jr ponders if Maemo can be shoved into an OpenVZ VE22:19
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DocScrutinizerdamn, for bragging get a prada phone, or a Rolex watch22:22
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Venemogood evening22:24
DocScrutinizersounds to me like somebody buying a ferrari and then pondering how to plow the acres with it22:25
* DocScrutinizer waves - RL can't be more puzzling22:26
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lollooguys how do i load maemo notify plug-in for xchat?22:28
lollooon N900?22:28
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lollooguys how do i load maemo notify plugin for xchat?22:31
lolloothank  you.22:31
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TNZHi all22:39
TNZGoogleTalk issue !22:39
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TNZonly IM part works on my N900 since few days22:40
TNZsound and video calls are not available anymore22:40
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TNZI think there's a protocol evolution with the launch of Linux plugin for browser22:42
TNZis there someone on this issue ?22:42
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TNZp'tain ... c'est mort à en faire jouir un nécrophile ! Oo22:43
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RevdKathyG'night all!22:46
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RST38hwhat is it with the latest (summer 2010) crop of t.m.o lemmings skipping all the punctuation signs and not capitalizing first words in sentences?23:05
derfRST38h: Kids these days.23:05
* derf shakes walker, makes shooing motions away from grass.23:06
prontoGET OFF MY LAWN23:06
* TNZ waiting for an evolution of GoogleTalk plugin in maemo523:07
CreamyGlol its that damn ps3 hack23:08
CreamyGinspired a bunch of new members23:08
mecedo I need to reboot my phone holding u button to flash a kernel image?23:08
TNZshould be23:09
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TNZsometimes it's not necessary ... it depends of the flasher software23:10
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GAN900RST38h, is their name lcuk? :P23:19
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mecehmpf is this thing supposed to do anything?23:21
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CreamyGhey do you guys know if when i do a build, and it doesn't include some required files in the .tar.gz file, during the "make install" step, so i have to manually copy a few things around every time... well how can i fix that? it's a bunch of stuff in the /debian folder, and one file from the /doc23:31
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lcukGAN900, oi! I used to represent that comment23:39
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lcukI have actually been presenting myself much better recently :)23:40
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danganyone ever had the problem that the camera of an n900 is not saving pictures anymore?23:41
DangerMausdo you have it set to video?23:42
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dangdouble checked that :)23:43
DangerMausthat was the only time it didnt save pics for me23:43
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DangerMausis the fs where it saves to full?23:44
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dangim doing an fsck now23:46
danghmm clean23:47
dangnow the images magically appeared, wtf23:47
dangsorry for the noise23:48
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CreamyGit's okay, the silence was deafening23:49
* noobmonk3y squeals ..........23:50
CreamyGlol a real monkey would be awesome23:51
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danghmm that's interesting. i made over 999 pictures and it seems the names get rotated but the file creation date on the file system is still the same so i didnt see them23:52
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lcukdang? you saying that oldest pictures are being overwritten?23:53
CreamyGhe disconnected23:53
lcukahh no they wont be23:54
lcukpics are datestamped23:54
lcukas in use the date on the filename with a suffix23:54
CreamyGyeah that's good. probalby wouldn't overwrite anyways, just crash, like everything else23:55
RST38hHow do I find out which packages depend ona given package?23:57
lcukreverse depends23:57
lcukin apt-cache ummm possible showpkg23:57
MNZapt-cache showpkg23:57
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