| kerio | MohammadAG: buy a tv capture card | 00:00 |
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| kerio | :P | 00:00 |
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| crashanddie | tobis87: which is why it is now commonly accepted practice to use a proxy key that still enables admin/recovery. | 00:00 |
| crashanddie | tobis87: and multiple users, too. | 00:00 |
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| MohammadAG | kerio, AV sucks | 00:02 |
| MohammadAG | TV out that is | 00:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | crashanddie: sounds sensible | 00:02 |
| kerio | worked nicely to watch inglorious basterds for me | 00:02 |
| crashanddie | well, it's a shit movie | 00:02 |
| crashanddie | so shit quality won't hurt it | 00:02 |
| kerio | it's really not | 00:02 |
| crashanddie | it totally is | 00:02 |
| kerio | is not | 00:03 |
| crashanddie | now half of america is going to think hitler died in a fire in paris | 00:03 |
| luke-jr | lol | 00:03 |
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| kerio | crashanddie: so it's not a shit movie, it's a shit population | 00:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | #defocus | 00:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer | meh, scratch that, me off for TV | 00:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-P | 00:04 |
| crashanddie | it's still a shit movie that uses a tragic event and marginalises it | 00:04 |
| kerio | crashanddie: eli roth killing a nazi with a baseball bat | 00:04 |
| crashanddie | People will remember the 6 mass murdering jews, who beat the graphic shit out of poor nazis who were doing the ethical thing | 00:04 |
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| kerio | and by "people" you mean americans | 00:05 |
| crashanddie | ("No, I shall not give up my intel so you can kill more of my friends, I will die before that") | 00:05 |
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| crashanddie | no, I mean any generation who hasn't passed age 20 when seeing this movie | 00:05 |
| kerio | i still haven't passed age 20 | 00:06 |
| crashanddie | and even then some | 00:06 |
| crashanddie | It's as bad a movie as the passion of christ | 00:06 |
| kerio | except that nazis are real | 00:06 |
| kerio | not sure why you try to attribute a meaning to a movie by tarantino | 00:07 |
| crashanddie | well, there is scientific proof that Jesus has lived. Whether he is or not the son of a god is up for debate | 00:07 |
| crashanddie | let's just agree to disagree | 00:08 |
| crashanddie | and leave it at that | 00:08 |
| kerio | but... you're wrong! | 00:08 |
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| tobis87 | crashanddie: I don't have much knowledge regarding smartcards, but I hope the key server sits behind a DMZ. Latest thing I tried to do at home was a transparent firewall with layer 3 filtering, but I never had the time to do it properly. | 00:08 |
| kerio | :( | 00:08 |
| crashanddie | tobis87: what do you mean by key server? | 00:08 |
| crashanddie | The certificate authority? | 00:09 |
| tobis87 | Yes | 00:09 |
| crashanddie | Well, the root CA is always heavily protected | 00:09 |
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| crashanddie | Root CA is usually just a hard drive in a safe | 00:09 |
| alterego | Heh, the transitions between my apps' "themes" are gonna be awesome :D | 00:09 |
| kerio | crashanddie: is it mirrored? | 00:10 |
| * DocScrutinizer51 burps a shitty root CA | 00:10 | |
| crashanddie | kerio: it can, but isn't necessarily | 00:10 |
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| kerio | no, i mean, is there a way to find out if it was manipulated? | 00:10 |
| crashanddie | oh, yeah | 00:10 |
| crashanddie | you need n-of-m keys to open it | 00:11 |
| crashanddie | for example, the DoD has a 16 of 128 keys policy | 00:11 |
| kerio | the safe? | 00:11 |
| crashanddie | meaning they need 16 smart cards of the 128 smart cards issued to open the private key of the root ca | 00:11 |
| kerio | oh, i see | 00:11 |
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| kerio | and the keys are distributed to trusted people | 00:11 |
| crashanddie | none of the people holding the smart cards know another one who holds the key, and none of them know the PIN of the card | 00:12 |
| crashanddie | so effectively, they need 32 people available | 00:12 |
| kerio | wait, everyone knows all the other PINs? | 00:12 |
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| crashanddie | nope | 00:12 |
| crashanddie | one person only knows one PIN, but doesn't know who holds the smartcard | 00:12 |
| kerio | damn, they're really overcomplicating it | 00:13 |
| b-man` | lol | 00:13 |
| crashanddie | I think that's the whole point of the exercice :P | 00:13 |
| crashanddie | kerio: I won't even begin to explain VeriSign's architecture... They have 3 root CAs... | 00:13 |
| crashanddie | well, 3 public ones, at least | 00:13 |
| tobis87 | crashanddie: Tell us, is DoD 5220.22-M safe, or do we need to use the Gutmann method (35 patterns) to wipe our harddrives. :-D | 00:14 |
| crashanddie | no idea what you're talking about, lol | 00:14 |
| tobis87 | crashanddie: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gutmann_method | 00:14 |
| kerio | crashanddie: and every CA needs 512 of 4096 smart cards to open *and* a piece of data that's stored togheter the other two? | 00:14 |
| crashanddie | kerio: nha, not that crazy, but still | 00:14 |
| kerio | while in the middle of a pentagram made of blood | 00:15 |
| kerio | in a full moon *and* a solstice | 00:15 |
| crashanddie | and someone in the kitchen has to walk around an old citroen counter clockwise while painting himself with kitten blood | 00:15 |
| kerio | those kittens are sacrificing themselves for our SSLed irc ;_; | 00:16 |
| kerio | so... who are those 128 people? | 00:17 |
| crashanddie | basically, what those protocols do is make it more likely for a technology-based attack than a methodology | 00:17 |
| kerio | :) | 00:17 |
| crashanddie | kerio: I have no idea | 00:17 |
| crashanddie | kerio: I wasn't cleared for top secret with US intel | 00:17 |
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| crashanddie | I was vetted as SC in the UK | 00:18 |
| crashanddie | though that's been withdrawn ever since I applied for the Australian Visa | 00:19 |
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| kerio | KaKaRoTo: you've been 1upped by a TI-84 | 00:24 |
| lcuk | crashanddie, SC == Sarcastic Cu?? | 00:24 |
| kerio | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOSpCoCmOns | 00:24 |
| pupnik | remember that twilight zone episode "to serve man"? | 00:24 |
| kerio | security clearence? | 00:24 |
| crashanddie | lcuk: what kerio said | 00:24 |
| kerio | clearance? | 00:24 |
| * lcuk was pulling leg | 00:24 | |
| kerio | lcuk: pull *this* leg | 00:24 |
| lcuk | no ta | 00:25 |
| crashanddie | "That's not a cu.." | 00:25 |
| lcuk | so this ps3 thing, are people raving because its finally got a game to play on it | 00:25 |
| lcuk | "i can unlock it" | 00:25 |
| crashanddie | lcuk: nha, it's because they now can feel as poor as wii players | 00:25 |
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| kerio | lcuk: "ps3 has no gamez lolol" is not true anymore | 00:26 |
| crashanddie | (who've had homebrew for ages) | 00:26 |
| lcuk | idk whats top game on the ps3? | 00:26 |
| kerio | but of course, wii > ps3 | 00:26 |
| kerio | lcuk: as of now... hmm | 00:26 |
| kerio | maybe uncharted 2? | 00:26 |
| lcuk | as of ever | 00:26 |
| kerio | killzone? | 00:26 |
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| kerio | and of course mgs4 | 00:26 |
| * lcuk never heard of them | 00:26 | |
| crashanddie | little big planet? | 00:26 |
| kerio | littlebigpl-dammit | 00:26 |
| crashanddie | heavy rain? | 00:26 |
| lcuk | little bi gpl? | 00:26 |
| * RST38h moos | 00:27 | |
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| lcuk | hey RST38h | 00:27 |
| kerio | µ, RST38h | 00:27 |
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| kerio | lcuk: also this hack actually allows for true homebrews | 00:27 |
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| RST38h | heya lcuk, how are things? | 00:27 |
| lcuk | kerio, i thought ps3 supported linux natively | 00:28 |
| kerio | relatively cheap Cell | 00:28 |
| lcuk | RST38h, good i think | 00:28 |
| kerio | lcuk: nope | 00:28 |
| kerio | not since 1st april | 00:28 |
| lcuk | huh? | 00:28 |
| kerio | firmware "upgrade" removed the Other OS function | 00:28 |
| tank-man | sony removed OtherOS feature | 00:28 |
| kerio | that's what prompted this unlock | 00:28 |
| RST38h | you think? hmmm... | 00:28 |
| lcuk | RST38h, hammering liqflow inside livewp last couple of hours | 00:28 |
| crashanddie | motorstorm? grand turismo? the elder scrolls? resistance 1 & 2? infamous? tekken 6? ratchet & clank? ninja gaiden? resident evil? god of war? street fighter? dead space? fallout? killzone, batman, bioshock, modern warfare... yeah, definitely no games available on PS3 | 00:29 |
| lcuk | at first glance it runs just as smoothly as normal | 00:29 |
| lcuk | but behind all the icon | 00:29 |
| lcuk | :) | 00:29 |
| kerio | crashanddie: half of those are multiplatform | 00:29 |
| * lcuk smiled broadly when i saw that | 00:29 | |
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| crashanddie | well, the linux on ps3 was a dud anyway | 00:30 |
| crashanddie | the 3 guys who used it must be disappointed, sure... | 00:30 |
| RST38h | lcuk: so it should yea | 00:30 |
| crashanddie | kerio: well, the other half then :P | 00:30 |
| johndo | hi | 00:30 |
| johndo | i just try to install some of the maemo developer tools on my n900 | 00:31 |
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| lcuk | RST38h, which side of the pond are you on atm? | 00:31 |
| crashanddie | maemo has developer tools? | 00:31 |
| johndo | some i can install, but with otheres, e.g. less, i get a warning cannot authenticate package | 00:31 |
| lcuk | johndo, auth warnings come based on repository | 00:32 |
| johndo | from the fremantle/tools repository | 00:32 |
| johndo | yes, but both packages are in the same repo | 00:32 |
| lcuk | and the n900 itself is geared up to expect authenticated repos and packages afaik | 00:32 |
| lcuk | its a warning.. | 00:32 |
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| lcuk | not a blocker? | 00:32 |
| lcuk | but its on your head anyway :P | 00:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | MNZ: what's state of things with bi-quad filtering for hw EQ? | 00:32 |
| johndo | yeah, but i'm somewhat hesitate to install unauth packages ;) | 00:32 |
| RST38h | lcuk: west side | 00:32 |
| crashanddie | johndo: are you on a network you don't trust? | 00:33 |
| lcuk | johndo, so wait, you rooted your machine, connected it to the maemo.org official sdk repository and no others | 00:33 |
| lcuk | the same repo that everyone uses for their scratchbox | 00:33 |
| lcuk | and same files | 00:33 |
| johndo | i just added the fremantle/tools repo | 00:33 |
| crashanddie | haha | 00:34 |
| crashanddie | breakage in sight | 00:34 |
| johndo | other repos are default only | 00:34 |
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| lcuk | johndo, ok, heres what you do | 00:34 |
| lcuk | You get an orangutan. I’m not talking a monkey or some dancing chimp BS, I mean a damn orangutan. Don’t ask me how you’re gonna get an orangutan that’s not my problem. | 00:35 |
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| johndo | thanks for the hint xd | 00:35 |
| lcuk | johndo, don't install the files if you don't trust them. simple as - follow the trail and trust your instinct | 00:36 |
| johndo | i don't install them | 00:36 |
| lcuk | then sorted :P | 00:36 |
| lcuk | RST38h, are you there for long | 00:36 |
| johndo | but what makes me curous is that i can install one package from a repository (like screen) , but not another (like less) | 00:36 |
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| lcuk | menthol? | 00:37 |
| crashanddie | nope | 00:37 |
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| crashanddie | Original Reeeeeed... It's Toasted! | 00:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | blargh menthol | 00:37 |
| RST38h | lcuk: going back east side next week | 00:37 |
| lcuk | johndo, packages can be signed and unsigned and I believe its down to the uploader | 00:37 |
| lcuk | RST38h, are you enjoying your visit thusfar? | 00:38 |
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| johndo | oh, so the packages in the tools repo may not be signed? | 00:38 |
| RST38h | lcuk: It's ok | 00:38 |
| lcuk | i grought back a box of 100 finnish cigars once | 00:38 |
| crashanddie | DocScrutinizer: drum? | 00:38 |
| johndo | that's allowed? ^^ | 00:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | VanNelle | 00:38 |
| lcuk | i still have 99 finnish cigars somewhere | 00:38 |
| * RST38h wonders what a finnish cigar is | 00:39 | |
| lcuk | RST38h, amusement value at the airport | 00:39 |
| johndo | any other safe way to get tools like less to the device? | 00:39 |
| crashanddie | RST38h: it's the things you pick up in the ashtray when other people are done with them | 00:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | oelyulfmjukusmoerf | 00:39 |
| johndo | that more is so crippled does not even support a back key :( | 00:39 |
| crashanddie | RST38h: lcuk calls them cigars, we call them "cigarette butts" | 00:39 |
| RST38h | Do they roll those from bog moss or what? | 00:39 |
| lcuk | johndo, whats unsafe about maemo.org? if you specifically feel there is a serious problem, then please raise a bug | 00:39 |
| RST38h | Ah | 00:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | (finnish cigar) | 00:40 |
| crashanddie | DocScrutinizer: damn, I thought that was the next volcano | 00:40 |
| johndo | hmm, i'm used from debian to trust only signed packages | 00:40 |
| lcuk | thats good | 00:40 |
| crashanddie | johndo: maemo is roughly based on debian, but somehow they forgot to implement the really good bits | 00:40 |
| johndo | but it's only a phone device, not a server, so ... | 00:41 |
| lcuk | is there a command i can run to show which are signed/unsigned? | 00:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | crashanddie: probably the cigars are named after a smoking volcano | 00:41 |
| johndo | apt-get install package :P | 00:41 |
| lcuk | and list them all from the sdk/tools repository ? | 00:41 |
| crashanddie | DocScrutinizer: could be | 00:41 |
| lcuk | johndo, not quite what I had in mind | 00:41 |
| johndo | i know, but i don't know a better command | 00:41 |
| MNZ | DocScrutinizer, sorry was grabbing bite | 00:41 |
| lcuk | johndo, do you have a scratchbox install handy | 00:42 |
| crashanddie | somehow I misread "bite" as "tits" | 00:42 |
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| johndo | lcuk: no, only the n900 so far | 00:42 |
| MNZ | DocScrutinizer, well, right now I'm more concentrated on getting hardware accelerated decoding and completely bypassing PA for headphone playback | 00:42 |
| kerio | woot | 00:42 |
| MNZ | I'm really close to building the damn code | 00:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | MNZ: first instance approach, http://www.musicdsp.org/files/Audio-EQ-Cookbook.txt looks like a job for a spreadsheet, to implement a PoC | 00:43 |
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| lcuk | hmm | 00:43 |
| MNZ | DocScrutinizer, yeah I found this, but this is only useful if you want to do presets | 00:43 |
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| lcuk | less is from a different repo afaik | 00:43 |
| MNZ | problem is, we have only two 'points' or filters | 00:44 |
| lcuk | johndo, you will come up on other roadblocks if you expect full dev | 00:44 |
| MNZ | for an EQ, you would have to approximate the shape of the curve and use two filters to get a close shape | 00:44 |
| lcuk | build-essential works, but dpkg-buildpackage doesnt | 00:44 |
| lcuk | and autotools has a few hiccups needing more gnu tools | 00:44 |
| MNZ | which is no easy task when you don't know what you are doing :/ | 00:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | MNZ: hmm, lemme see if I can make sense of your words | 00:44 |
| Macer | damn... nitdroid is good minus the lack of modem support | 00:44 |
| Macer | too bad :) | 00:44 |
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| Macer | it's pretty awesome | 00:45 |
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| johndo | lcuk: apt-cache policy tells me less and screen are from the same repository | 00:45 |
| lcuk | which is.. | 00:45 |
| MNZ | DocScrutinizer, I really didn't understand anything until I read this http://www.student.oulu.fi/~oniemita/dsp/dspstuff.txt | 00:45 |
| lcuk | and johndo i already said that its basesd on the package itself | 00:45 |
| johndo | lcuk: at the moment i'm only interested in some tools, devel stuff may be later only | 00:45 |
| lcuk | and not on the repo | 00:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | MNZ: you mean we only got one filter function implemented in hw, and we want to use it for bass and treble same time? | 00:46 |
| mintux | how can I disconnect my phone from network in command line ? suppose I connected via some connections I define . but I want to disconnect from cmd | 00:46 |
| johndo | lcuk: was just in reply to your "less is from a different repository" | 00:46 |
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| MNZ | DocScrutinizer, no, we have a fourth-order filter for the effects, which is made of 2 cascaded (ie, in series) biquads. So we basically have two biquads, so we can use two sets of coefficients to have two filters. | 00:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | sounds fine, no? | 00:47 |
| MNZ | not really | 00:47 |
| * lcuk has odd repository configuration hence asking you | 00:47 | |
| MNZ | you can't really do a real EQ as far as I'm concerned | 00:48 |
| MNZ | you can only approximate | 00:48 |
| MNZ | to get a feel for this you need the TI calculator and add two points and mess with them | 00:48 |
| kerio | we just need to avoid blowing up the speakers | 00:48 |
| MNZ | kerio, no we are talking about the EQ | 00:48 |
| johndo | when they have unsigned packages in the repo i may have to live with unauth packages | 00:48 |
| MNZ | not the highpass filtering thing | 00:48 |
| kerio | equalizers are for pussies | 00:49 |
| mintux | how to disconnect wifi from cmd in n900 | 00:49 |
| mintux | ? | 00:49 |
| kerio | ifdown wlan0 | 00:49 |
| MNZ | kerio, EQ rocks! HW EQ doubly so! | 00:49 |
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| MNZ | DocScrutinizer, to understand me just get this (it's win32, runs fantastic in wine) http://focus.ti.com/docs/toolsw/folders/print/coefficient-calc.html | 00:49 |
| lcuk | johndo, if you can specifically identify a list of them | 00:50 |
| * DocScrutinizer scratches head | 00:50 | |
| lcuk | then it may be possible to at least ask that something be done | 00:50 |
| mintux | kerio: doesn't work. I connected from applet manger . not from commandline | 00:50 |
| johndo | lcuk: good idea, will note all of them i run into | 00:51 |
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| MNZ | DocScrutinizer, after you download it, enable exactly two points and mess with their settings (bandwidth/gain/type). Those are our constraints, two filters/points. | 00:51 |
| lcuk | johndo, great | 00:51 |
| n900-dk | Do any of you guys have trouble with Nokia Messaging today? | 00:51 |
| n900-dk | It keeps aksing for my password | 00:51 |
| lcuk | and i just tested, it is the same directly in scratchbox | 00:51 |
| johndo | just started with the n900, so maybe needs some time ;) | 00:51 |
| lcuk | but since the packages are uploaded as part of the SDK itself | 00:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | MNZ: maybe in that calculator | 00:51 |
| lcuk | johndo, you have a keen eye and such details are important | 00:52 |
| johndo | lcuk: so you also get the warning about unauth in scratchbox? | 00:52 |
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| lcuk | yes | 00:52 |
| johndo | ok, good it's not only me | 00:52 |
| lcuk | indeed, but please compile a list of those you find | 00:53 |
| MNZ | DocScrutinizer, no, we really are constrained to two filters :D have you seen the equation of the filter in the datasheet? it's two huge brackets multiplied, each one of those can be considered a separate filter and takes it's own set of coefficients | 00:53 |
| mintux | sudo ifconfig wlan0 down worked. but the wireless icon is on top and also the connected icon is light | 00:53 |
| lcuk | and good luck with your n900 \o/ | 00:53 |
| lcuk | hope you enjoy it | 00:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | MNZ: for a usual treble/bass EQ I'd just pick the HPF and LPF of http://www.musicdsp.org/files/Audio-EQ-Cookbook.txt, and calculate the coefficients for the desired f0 and gain | 00:53 |
| johndo | yeah, i have nearly no experience with the n900, but it's a kind of debian on it :) | 00:53 |
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| lcuk | crashanddie, liqflow flowing behind desktops on multiple machines o_O | 00:53 |
| MNZ | DocScrutinizer, oh, if we want just a simple 2 band EQ then yeah.... can be done | 00:54 |
| n900-dk | Stupid NM :( | 00:54 |
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| johndo | lcuk: i do so far, only the battery is somewhat weak :( | 00:54 |
| lcuk | depends what you do with it | 00:54 |
| lcuk | but yeah a housebrick and 4months of uptime would be nice | 00:55 |
| johndo | hehe | 00:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | MNZ: what I say... :-D | 00:55 |
| MNZ | DocScrutinizer, I was over-complicating things a bit... my idea was for a 6 (or even 12) band eq, and we smooth the 'curve' created by it and use two filters to achieve something similar | 00:55 |
| lcuk | how much juice do fuelcells give? | 00:55 |
| lcuk | hmm | 00:55 |
| lcuk | alcoholic n900 | 00:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | MNZ: that's theoretically feasible, but meh, my head hurts | 00:56 |
| lcuk | I will have a pint and my n900 will have a vodka and coke | 00:56 |
| MNZ | DocScrutinizer, exactly. I had my head hurting for about two days when I realized it's going to take a bunch more reading than what I've done :S | 00:56 |
| johndo | eeek, a coke | 00:56 |
| johndo | poor n900 | 00:56 |
| MNZ | DocScrutinizer, ok, so I can do a bass/treble thing for starters | 00:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | GREAT! :-DDD | 00:56 |
| kerio | johndo: OMG | 00:57 |
| MNZ | DocScrutinizer, like I said though, right now I'm building TI's code for using the audio/video hw accel. It looks promising! | 00:57 |
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| lcuk | lol jo | 00:59 |
| lcuk | johndo, ^ | 00:59 |
| lolloo | hi all | 00:59 |
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| mintux | autodisconnect app is binary or script ? | 01:00 |
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| johndo | mintux: binary | 01:02 |
| mintux | johndo: I need to disconnect wifi from ssh in my pc . but I don't know how can I do that | 01:03 |
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| johndo | mintux: ifdown wlan0 doesn't do the job? | 01:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | mintux: try `rmmod wl12xx.ko` | 01:04 |
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| johndo | can you remove a module while it's in use on the n900? | 01:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | after ifdown it shouldn't be in use anymore? | 01:05 |
| mintux | johndo:it worked . but the wifi icon doesn't disappear and seems is connected | 01:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | dunno | 01:05 |
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| ad-n770 | I'm trying to find which is the max sample rate that is available in the audio card of n800 | 01:06 |
| mintux | DocScrutinizer: what is rmmod wl12xx.ko ? | 01:06 |
| ad-n770 | do you know whre it could be documented? | 01:06 |
| mintux | what is wl12xx.ko ? | 01:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer | it's not my idea to do rmmod, I only seen it at some places | 01:06 |
| mintux | DocScrutinizer: what happens after that ? | 01:06 |
| johndo | anybody knows if the gui package manager on the n900 uses apt as it's backend? so that it would support preferences? | 01:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | mintux: wl12xx is the wlan driver | 01:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer | johndo: HAM is using apt as a backend, yes | 01:07 |
| mintux | if I can disappear wifi icon beside antenna icon . my problem will solve | 01:07 |
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| mintux | means after ifconfig ifdown disappear wifi icon | 01:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer | mintux: try this as well: http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Jebba/DBUS#dbus-send-disconnect-net | 01:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer | mintux: also check this (/me curses wiki server sluggish like molasses once more): http://wiki.maemo.org/Phone_control | 01:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer | http://wiki.maemo.org/Phone_control#Disconnect_internet | 01:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer | mintux: if this works for you, it'd be nice of you to edit above linked wiki page, to share your findings (also about whether it affects the wifi icon in systray etc) | 01:18 |
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| mintux | ok thanks | 01:20 |
| john_n900 | n900 irssi :D | 01:21 |
| john_n900 | i more and more love this toy | 01:21 |
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| johndo | what are the signs when the kernel voltage settings of an n900 are too low? | 01:28 |
| johndo | are they obvious like crashes or more subtle? | 01:28 |
| _trine | johndo, it crashes | 01:30 |
| johndo | i'm at the "starving" settings now and anything seems to work properly, that's suspicious ^^ | 01:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer | johndo: the likelihood for segfaults or any other kind of odd behaviour just rises | 01:30 |
| _trine | I use starving on my phone and its works perfectly however if I try it on my wifes phone it crashes in a short time | 01:31 |
| johndo | just wanted to go down until it crashes and the go one or two steps back | 01:31 |
| johndo | *then | 01:31 |
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| johndo | does lowering these voltage settings help much for battery life or has it a rather small effect? | 01:32 |
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| _trine | johndo, are you overclocking at the same time | 01:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | johndo: despite it's digital, every electronics is an analog system in the end. While with correct core voltage you may see one false computation during 10^5years of operation, it rises to 1 false op during hours or minutes, with increasingly lower voltage | 01:33 |
| johndo | _trine: no, no overclocking | 01:33 |
| johndo | so far it seems fast enough, i just wanted to get a longer battery life | 01:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | johndo: read my above comment carefully, think about it, and then rethink your plan of "go down until crah, then one or two steps up" | 01:34 |
| johndo | DocScrutinizer: yeah, doesn't sound good | 01:34 |
| johndo | so keep my fingers away from it and switch back to default? | 01:34 |
| _trine | johndo, with these phones because they are so variable in there manufacture its simply a case of suck it and see | 01:35 |
| johndo | i just was surprised that the kinda recommended set "ideal" had even overclocking to 850 MHz in it | 01:35 |
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| johnx | it depends on whether you're ok with your phone crashing out randomly (potentially corrupting data) in the pursuit of longer battery life | 01:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | _trine: and who told you about that variability in manufacture? | 01:36 |
| johnx | if you say "yes" to that, then by all means, go as low as you can | 01:36 |
| _trine | DocScrutinizer, its plainly bloody obvious no one needs to tell me | 01:36 |
| johndo | johnx: well, i just wanted both :D | 01:36 |
| johndo | but i guess i have to find the compromise by myself :) | 01:37 |
| johnx | yup | 01:37 |
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| DocScrutinizer | aah, ok then. I'm still amazed how much you can learn from non-EE in IRC, even after 40 years of profeesional experience | 01:37 |
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| _trine | the manufacturing process is very broad to say the least | 01:37 |
| johnx | keep in mind that an error in the wrong place might not manifest as a crash. it might manifest as corrupted data being saved | 01:37 |
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| jophish | howdy all! | 01:38 |
| johnx | hallo jophish | 01:38 |
| johndo | johnx: yeah, and the data partition is a FAT filesystem :( | 01:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | _trine: many thanks for educating me :-P | 01:39 |
| _trine | DocScrutinizer, sarcasm is not one of your better attributes | 01:39 |
| jophish | I'm trying to get bluetooth dial up working. I am stumped as to how to use ppponfig though. I don't know where I cn get the information for my provider.I'm using t-mobile UK, with a 3 plan | 01:39 |
| jophish | I'm running debian on my computer | 01:40 |
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| _trine | however I love my N900 | 01:42 |
| _trine | if I could run it at 2300 MHz instead of 1150 I would and when/if it failed I would just buy another | 01:44 |
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| _trine | :) | 01:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | jophish: have you bothered to even *check* how much (or probably little) gain in battery life undervolting will buy you? Not by gut feeling based random numbers made up, but by using e.g bq27200.sh script to get exact numbers of power consumption during doing heavy calculations or video playback, and then comparing same situation one time with undervolt and one time with stock settings | 01:44 |
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| DocScrutinizer | err sorry jophish | 01:45 |
| jophish | DocScrutinizer: I haven't looked into that, but _trine might have | 01:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | johndo: ^^^ for you | 01:45 |
| medo | hello people | 01:45 |
| johnx | jophish, are you following a guide that told you to use pppconfig? could you give us a link? I got it setup correctly on ubuntu, but that was with networkmanager | 01:45 |
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| medo | does anyone know if the 3g video calls will be supported | 01:45 |
| jophish | johnx: I have been following this: http://wiki.maemo.org/Debian-Tethering | 01:45 |
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| medo | or a programmer is working on it | 01:46 |
| medo | ? | 01:46 |
| jophish | but I have discovered that the gnome networknamager has something similar | 01:46 |
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| ShadowJK | overall undervolting should have a minimal impact, since the voltage is 0V duriing the vast majority of time N900 is on.. | 01:46 |
| johnx | yeah. if you're running gnome on debian, I'd follow the ubuntu guide | 01:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | johndo: probably you'll find it's absolutely not worth it | 01:46 |
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| _trine | aircrack-ng is wonderful on an N900 | 01:46 |
| johndo | DocScrutinizer: no, that's why i was asking | 01:46 |
| ShadowJK | unless you've got something crap installed consuming cpu, of course | 01:46 |
| johndo | i did not even found a trustworthy powertop so far | 01:46 |
| jophish | but It filled in the wrong information by default, and I am not eager to get tmobile charging me for trying to use a data plan I didn' pay for | 01:46 |
| medo | johndo | 01:47 |
| medo | are you following | 01:47 |
| medo | ? | 01:47 |
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| medo | helloooooo | 01:47 |
| medo | any help here | 01:48 |
| medo | ? | 01:48 |
| SpeedEvil | jophish: where ar eyou? | 01:48 |
| jophish | SpeedEvil: I'm in the uk | 01:48 |
| SpeedEvil | jophish: I haver t-mobile PAYG + 6 mo internet booster. | 01:49 |
| jophish | looking at the information on the phone, the username is t-mobile, and the password is two characters long | 01:49 |
| SpeedEvil | Works well. | 01:49 |
| jophish | SpeedEvil: have you go that working with tethering? | 01:49 |
| johndo | ShadowJK: so the n900 has real cpu sleep mode or however that is called and not only switch back to min frequency? | 01:50 |
| johndo | then it probably doesn't gain much | 01:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | johndo: it does zero-clock | 01:50 |
| SpeedEvil | jophish: yes | 01:50 |
| johndo | is there any way to find out how much time it spends in that mode? | 01:50 |
| SpeedEvil | jophish: password 'web' | 01:50 |
| SpeedEvil | jophish: and web | 01:51 |
| johndo | i only found the time spend in diff frequencies so far | 01:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | johndo: powertop | 01:51 |
| medo | is frals here? | 01:51 |
| medo | is frals here? | 01:51 |
| jophish | SpeedEvil: looking on the phone, it is only two characters long though | 01:51 |
| jophish | is the username t-mobile? | 01:51 |
| johndo | ha, again that what i dont have | 01:51 |
| medo | people | 01:51 |
| SpeedEvil | http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_software_power_management#Powertop | 01:51 |
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| medo | are you here? | 01:51 |
| SpeedEvil | I need to fix it | 01:51 |
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| medo | answer me | 01:51 |
| johndo | is the binary in the forum thread trustworthy? | 01:51 |
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| medo | i need to talk to frals | 01:52 |
| medo | why don't you answer | 01:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | medo, if nobody got an answer, you'll probably not want 483 users answering "medo, sorry, but no" | 01:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | medo: now stop spamming the channel | 01:52 |
| SpeedEvil | johndo: It seems to work for any password | 01:52 |
| medo | thanks doc | 01:53 |
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| DocScrutinizer | medo: t help you out of your pain: | 01:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~seen frals | 01:56 |
| infobot | frals is currently on #maemo #meego. Has said a total of 2 messages. Is idling for 7h 24m 29s, last said: 'haha'. | 01:56 |
| medo | you have been a great help | 01:57 |
| medo | thanks a lot | 01:57 |
| medo | how can i follow him on this channel | 01:57 |
| medo | ? | 01:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | medo: set a highlight on <frals> in your irc client | 01:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | or simply /query frals | 01:58 |
| ShadowJK | johndo: my binary has sha1sum 5426e35133941c100e1de582e174c219bbbb4799 | 01:58 |
| ShadowJK | I took it from the firmware image that had powertop before it was removed | 01:59 |
| medo | DocScrutinizer, you are the man | 01:59 |
| johndo | is a higher cpuidle state more or less power consumption? it seem to have state 0 to 3 | 01:59 |
| johndo | ShadowJK: thanks, i'll check the one from the thread | 01:59 |
| jacekowski | iirc higher == less power | 01:59 |
| medo | do you have any idea about the 3g video calls for the n900? | 02:00 |
| medo | DocScrutinizer | 02:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer | medo: nope, otherwise I had answered your question | 02:00 |
| medo | you are totally right | 02:00 |
| ShadowJK | johndo: 0 is higher | 02:01 |
| medo | frals is not answering me | 02:01 |
| ShadowJK | C4 in powertop is clock off voltage off | 02:01 |
| medo | i have some ideas for his fmms program | 02:01 |
| johndo | ShadowJK: i just found the files in the /sys tree | 02:01 |
| ShadowJK | yeahl there's one set of numbers that apply for active and oner set of numbers for sleep | 02:02 |
| johndo | about 3% in stage 0, 10% in stage 1, 10% in s2 and 77% in s3 | 02:02 |
| johndo | during the last day or so | 02:03 |
| johndo | i guess the numbers are since last reboot | 02:03 |
| ShadowJK | /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpuidle/* ? | 02:03 |
| johndo | yes | 02:03 |
| johndo | .. stageX/time | 02:04 |
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| johndo | *state | 02:04 |
| SpeedEvil | johndo - get powertop | 02:04 |
| johndo | i'm on it :) | 02:04 |
| SpeedEvil | See above page for explanation | 02:04 |
| ShadowJK | stat3/name C4, if it's 77 percent, that's good | 02:04 |
| SpeedEvil | Also - you don't care about it. | 02:04 |
| SpeedEvil | Look at the power consumption number - with that script. | 02:05 |
| SpeedEvil | And how it changes over time. | 02:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | exactly | 02:05 |
| johndo | SpeedEvil: whith that script? sory, must have missed something | 02:05 |
| johndo | that bq27200? | 02:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep | 02:06 |
| medo | ~seen dalal | 02:06 |
| infobot | i haven't seen 'dalal', medo | 02:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | see an example listing I posted at end of that wikipage, under random adds | 02:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer | oops, that's been http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Power_Consumption#Software | 02:08 |
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| johndo | is there any way to get the FAT partition remounted while the USB cable still is connected? | 02:25 |
| johndo | the FAT partition is umounted remotely already | 02:25 |
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| SpeedEvil | unplug the far end of the cable. | 02:26 |
| SpeedEvil | Reboot | 02:26 |
| johndo | SpeedEvil: ah, the far end, good idea :D | 02:26 |
| johndo | just don't wanted to unplug the n900 side every time .. | 02:27 |
| SpeedEvil | You can also cut off the little 'lugs' on the n900 connector to reduce insertion force. | 02:27 |
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| jacekowski | i really like hdmi connector | 02:29 |
| jacekowski | socket and plug | 02:29 |
| jacekowski | looks robust | 02:30 |
| * raster wonders how well nokia test the gl-es drivers ont he n900 | 02:30 | |
| jacekowski | really robust compared to all recent connectors | 02:30 |
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| johndo | that powertop is quite different from the debian one at the pc | 02:34 |
| johnx | ARM is quite different from X86 :) | 02:34 |
| johndo | doesn't look good if i understand it right, 10% C0, 90% C2 | 02:34 |
| johndo | no C4 :( | 02:34 |
| jacekowski | both are made of silicon | 02:35 |
| jacekowski | and transistors | 02:35 |
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| johndo | 250 wakeups per seconds, is that normal? sounds much | 02:38 |
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| jacekowski | johndo: nah, that's ok | 02:39 |
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| SpeedEvil | Read the caveats on the above page johndo | 02:39 |
| johndo | SpeedEvil: you mean http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Power_Consumption ? | 02:40 |
| SpeedEvil | yes | 02:41 |
| SpeedEvil | I need to finish off that | 02:41 |
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| johndo | SpeedEvil: these numbers are very interesting | 02:47 |
| tobis87 | SpeedEvil: Do you think reverting this patch, would increase throughput even more? http://www.mail-archive.com/linux-crypto@vger.kernel.org/msg01266.html | 02:47 |
| johndo | so switching GSM or WiFi off doesn't gain much when it's idle, suspend seems to work very well | 02:47 |
| johndo | where do I get that bq27200 script from? is it in the pdf? | 02:48 |
| SpeedEvil | johndo: no. you copy and paste it from the page | 02:48 |
| SpeedEvil | tobis87: no idea, sorry | 02:49 |
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| johndo | hmm, i'm too blind, there is no script | 02:49 |
| johndo | http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Power_Consumption ? | 02:49 |
| SpeedEvil | johndo: oh - that's not there. | 02:50 |
| SpeedEvil | The script mentioned only gives more info on the battery state - it's not importantr for instantaneous power consumptrion use. | 02:50 |
| SpeedEvil | And indeed uses extra power. | 02:51 |
| SpeedEvil | Run the script on that page under screen, and you will see ~6mA or so with it idle. | 02:51 |
| SpeedEvil | And not actively using wifi | 02:51 |
| SpeedEvil | If you don't have any battery eating stuff installed. | 02:51 |
| tobis87 | There is an article on optimizing aes for arm7, it is not directly related to twofish of course, but they also test aes with unrolled functions: http://bit.ly/b80pdJ | 02:53 |
| johndo | SpeedEvil: sorry, cannot follow you, I don't see how I can get these numbers for the current consumption of the device | 02:54 |
| SpeedEvil | oh - right | 02:54 |
| SpeedEvil | http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Software_Power_management | 02:54 |
| SpeedEvil | sorry | 02:54 |
| SpeedEvil | I missed rthat you were referring to a different page. | 02:54 |
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| SpeedEvil | I hope to polish that script some more, add some user-friendliness, and ship it to extras soon. | 02:55 |
| johndo | SpeedEvil: ah, that looks better, thanks :) | 02:55 |
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| johndo | looks like the old powertop does not fit very well for PR 1.2 or the community kernel | 02:57 |
| SpeedEvil | 1.2 is fine | 02:57 |
| SpeedEvil | it is confused by more freqs | 02:58 |
| johndo | even when they are not active? I have min 250 and max 600 too | 02:58 |
| johndo | so the community kernel from Extras is not recommended? | 02:59 |
| SpeedEvil | yes | 03:00 |
| SpeedEvil | It confuses powertop | 03:01 |
| SpeedEvil | this is not a reason not to use it | 03:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer | powertop is a tool very close to kernel internals, so it should be compiled for the kernel it is used for. A powertop for stock kernel obviously doesn't match power kernel perfectly | 03:18 |
| * satmd disgrees | 03:21 | |
| satmd | as long as you have recent kernel headers, you're fine | 03:21 |
| satmd | it can decide which features to use during run-time | 03:22 |
| satmd | it plain simple looks in /proc and /sys ;) | 03:22 |
| johndo | the powertop version from PR 1.1 (?) quite obviously gets confused on my device | 03:23 |
| johndo | the C states are messed up | 03:23 |
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| johndo | does the "default" parameter set for the power kernel conforms to the original settings of the nokia kernel? | 03:25 |
| johndo | i cannot get the divice down to the 6mA, the minimum i get is about 25mA with GSM, WiFi, BT and display off | 03:26 |
| SpeedEvil | johndo: I need to recheck my numbers. | 03:27 |
| SpeedEvil | But I will note that I have had 100h battery | 03:27 |
| SpeedEvil | which is around 12mA | 03:27 |
| johndo | I rather would doubt in my numbers for now, not in yours ;) | 03:28 |
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| SpeedEvil | How were you connectring to the system? | 03:29 |
| johndo | i just do a sleep 30; cat /sys/..../current_now and switch off the screen on the right side, than wait for the number | 03:29 |
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| johndo | and get about 130 .. 140 | 03:30 |
| SpeedEvil | you know that it's not mA? | 03:30 |
| johndo | that's about 20 to 25 mA, right? | 03:30 |
| SpeedEvil | I don't recall | 03:30 |
| johndo | `$current_read` * 3570 / 22 / 1000 | 03:31 |
| johndo | from the script | 03:31 |
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| SpeedEvil | yeah | 03:33 |
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| SpeedEvil | Also - sometimes for no good reason it can start using more battery | 03:34 |
| johndo | where is a good place to put own srcipts and bins to on the device without conflicting with the internal package managemant? | 03:35 |
| johndo | seems i cannot chmod +x on the FAT partition :( | 03:35 |
| SpeedEvil | /usr/local/bin | 03:35 |
| SpeedEvil | I add /usr/local/bin - which is a symlink to /home/usr/local/bin | 03:36 |
| johndo | that will be ignored by the package management? ok | 03:36 |
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| MNZ | shit is built! I finally got it all built!!!! I think I'm gonna cry :') | 03:43 |
| MNZ | Now to testing. This is either going to be EPIC WIN or EPIC FAIL. | 03:44 |
| MNZ | nothing in between unfortunately | 03:44 |
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| SpeedEvil | :) | 03:48 |
| SpeedEvil | It could explode in a really cool way | 03:48 |
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| MNZ | SpeedEvil, well no, no explosions. Not today at least ;) | 03:48 |
| MNZ | the epic fail will be if I spent all this time and it doesn't work | 03:49 |
| johndo | SpeedEvil: I also have much more events than you, about 70 events/sec | 03:54 |
| johndo | processes which are consuming CPU are hildon-desktop (about 7%) and Xorg (about 1%) | 03:55 |
| MNZ | johndo, you have catorise? | 03:55 |
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| johndo | thinking about apps .. could it be that the little cpu & memory meter causes that load? | 03:55 |
| johndo | yes | 03:55 |
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| johndo | MNZ: that's the subfolder app for the application manu, right? does it use any CPU? | 03:56 |
| johndo | *menu | 03:56 |
| MNZ | there's a rather cool hildon-desktop bug, it's stuck in an endless loop and will not stop consuming ~5% cpu | 03:56 |
| johndo | oops | 03:57 |
| MNZ | you need to update hildon-desktop | 03:57 |
| MNZ | or stop using catorise | 03:57 |
| johndo | only when you have that catorise installed? | 03:57 |
| MNZ | it's not really catorise's fault | 03:57 |
| MNZ | it only triggers when your main menu is less than 1 page and doesn't require scrolling | 03:57 |
| MNZ | the 'bounce' animation starts and it never ends. And you don't actually see it. | 03:58 |
| johndo | nice one :) | 03:58 |
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| MNZ | and the moment of truth. Now either the kernel crashes and dies, or nothing happens..... | 04:02 |
| MNZ | or of course.... it simply doesn't load :@ | 04:04 |
| MNZ | ah... need to flash kernel... bleh | 04:04 |
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| johndo | looks like that hildon-desktop package is a nokia one | 04:07 |
| johndo | where from do i get a more recent version of that package? | 04:07 |
| MNZ | it's only available through a community repo, or you could build it from git | 04:08 |
| MNZ | hold on | 04:08 |
| johndo | oops, build and git .. i do not have a devel environment for the n900 so far ;) | 04:08 |
| johndo | and i do still not know how to flash .. ;) | 04:09 |
| MNZ | no need to build | 04:09 |
| MNZ | http://mohammadag.xceleo.org/repo/pool/free/h/hildon-desktop/hildon-desktop_2.2.142-1_armel.deb | 04:09 |
| MNZ | there, just download that and open through filemanager | 04:09 |
| johndo | hmm, that put my device into beta test stage then? | 04:10 |
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| MNZ | johndo, what does that mean? | 04:10 |
| johndo | i rather get rid of the catorise, i go into holidays naxt weak and need the device to work :) | 04:11 |
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| MNZ | don't worry it works perfectly | 04:11 |
| MNZ | I've been using it for a few weeks | 04:11 |
| MNZ | and so have many others | 04:11 |
| johndo | that package from your url is stable quality or still testing ? | 04:11 |
| MNZ | it's technically 'testing' but practically it's stable | 04:12 |
| johndo | ok, i'll download it and think about it until tomorrow :) | 04:12 |
| johndo | it's too late today anyway | 04:12 |
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| johndo | thank you guys for all your hints | 04:13 |
| johndo | i'm quite sure I'll come back and ask more stupid questions :P | 04:14 |
| johndo | but not today | 04:14 |
| johndo | bye | 04:14 |
| MNZ | bye o/ | 04:14 |
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| pupnik | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZS8tPbIXPw << Amazing! >> Matt Whilhelm's BMX flatland artistry | 04:16 |
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| TiagoTiago | hi | 04:29 |
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| Ken-Young | Hi | 04:30 |
| TiagoTiago | do know of a way to make it so the /home and MyDocs partitons' sizes are dynamic, like, both share the same free space and if you fill it in one of them the other also sees the freespace disapearing, and if you free space in one both seee the new free space? | 04:31 |
| ShadowJK | no | 04:32 |
| Ken-Young | TiagoTiago, I think the way to do that would be to repartition, and make /home and MyDocs be in the same partition. | 04:32 |
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| nox- | tho then you couldnt export it via usb mass storage anymore (at least) | 04:33 |
| ShadowJK | Then you'd of course lose windows/mac/whatever compatibility | 04:33 |
| TiagoTiago | i imagine it could be done making the partitons actually be regular files in a third partition with some program or driver tricking the system into seeing them as partitoins, files can easilly grow and shrink | 04:33 |
| TiagoTiago | isn't there an issue with the camera and a few otherr hings when you don't have a vfat partition avaiable? | 04:34 |
| johndo | just for the record, I removed catorise to test, now I get 2 to 5 events/sec and a current usage of 4 to 5 mA :D | 04:34 |
| nox- | TiagoTiago, that may very well too | 04:35 |
| johndo | looking forward to the 100 hour battery lifetime ^^ | 04:35 |
| nox- | well be | 04:35 |
| TiagoTiago | you're saying catorise keeps running in the bckground unecessarlly. | 04:35 |
| ShadowJK | johndo, you'll have multiday batterylife with that | 04:35 |
| TiagoTiago | lol | 04:36 |
| ShadowJK | catorise is known battery killer btw | 04:36 |
| MNZ | it's not catorise | 04:36 |
| MNZ | <MNZ> it's not really catorise's fault | 04:36 |
| MNZ | <MNZ> it only triggers when your main menu is less than 1 page and doesn't require scrolling | 04:36 |
| MNZ | <MNZ> the 'bounce' animation starts and it never ends. And you don't actually see it. | 04:36 |
| johndo | TiagoTiago: no, got the hint that it's a hildon-desktop bug which get triggered by catorise | 04:36 |
| TiagoTiago | Does Truecrypt allows for files holding the image growing and shrinking? | 04:36 |
| TiagoTiago | oh | 04:36 |
| johndo | thanks to MNZ :) | 04:37 |
| johndo | now I'm gone for real, bye bye | 04:37 |
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| TiagoTiago | can you add like 3-6 folders more for catorise and work around the bug? | 04:38 |
| TiagoTiago | cya | 04:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | MNZ: WTF? | 04:38 |
| MNZ | TiagoTiago, I'd imagine you cannot really solve optification by adding another layer of complexity. It'd be rather ironic | 04:38 |
| MNZ | DocScrutinizer, you never heard of this bug? | 04:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | nope | 04:38 |
| MNZ | heh, this was probably the first thing that got me on #maemo :D | 04:38 |
| MNZ | it's fixed since | 04:38 |
| TiagoTiago | there gotta be a program/driver that works like how i described | 04:39 |
| MNZ | and fix is in MohammadAG51's repo | 04:39 |
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| MNZ | TiagoTiago, install this update http://mohammadag.xceleo.org/repo/pool/free/h/hildon-desktop/hildon-desktop_2.2.142-1_armel.deb | 04:39 |
| TiagoTiago | actually it sounds like somthing that might even come with most zLinux distros.... | 04:39 |
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| ShadowJK | TiagoTiago, well the only sensible way would be to use filesystems designed to handle resizing quickly, but then you're back to losing the original point of having a separate vfat partition in the first place | 04:40 |
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| TiagoTiago | it's not possible to have a vfat that can be rfedimensioned on the fly? | 04:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | MNZ: what's the fix? | 04:41 |
| ShadowJK | tiagotiago: it takes ages to do it | 04:41 |
| MNZ | DocScrutinizer, madam fixed the animation, it's in git, and the hildon-desktop in mohammad's ssu has it. http://mohammadag.xceleo.org/repo/pool/free/h/hildon-desktop/hildon-desktop_2.2.142-1_armel.deb | 04:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | MNZ: ooh, ok | 04:42 |
| TiagoTiago | if resizing isn't possible, then add a imaginary file that is an MB or so smaller than the avaible free space and change itms size when the amount of free space changes | 04:42 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I'll simply go for the deb | 04:42 |
| MNZ | DocScrutinizer, this is weird, if you were experiencing the bug then you would have definitely noticed | 04:43 |
| TiagoTiago | i'll not install it right now 'cause i' probably gonna be reflashing today or in the next few days | 04:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | MNZ: you're sure? | 04:43 |
| MNZ | battery time is down to like 8 hours :/ | 04:43 |
| MNZ | it's a constant 5-7% cpu by hildon-desktop | 04:43 |
| TiagoTiago | i've seen infinite bouncing on microB a few times, though that was more loike jitter than bounce | 04:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | MNZ: I rarely are off charger for >2..3h | 04:43 |
| MNZ | ah | 04:43 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | MNZ: 5percent hd sounds familiar | 04:44 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | hd 7% 2h+ | 04:46 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | 'update not possible, program not compatible' :-/ | 04:48 |
| MNZ | what? | 04:48 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | seems it's not optimized for HAM | 04:48 |
| MNZ | ah, dpkg is your friend | 04:48 |
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| PhonicUK | hey, is MohammedAG around? | 04:49 |
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| MNZ | PhonicUK, sound asleep | 04:50 |
| PhonicUK | balls | 04:50 |
| PhonicUK | has anyone got PSFreedom to work on their N900? | 04:50 |
| MNZ | KaKaRoTo, ping | 04:50 |
| KaKaRoTo | MNZ, yeah | 04:50 |
| MNZ | Kaadlajk, kalem ya 3am | 04:50 |
| MNZ | KaKaRoTo, err I think PhonicUK has a question for you | 04:51 |
| KaKaRoTo | MNZ, ah ok, thx | 04:51 |
| KaKaRoTo | PhonicUK, yes, tons of people, follow the instructions and it should just work.. | 04:51 |
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| PhonicUK | I'm getting this error when I try to use it: "Invalid module format" | 04:52 |
| KaKaRoTo | PhonicUK, make sure your ps3 is version 3.41 or it won't work | 04:52 |
| KaKaRoTo | PhonicUK, so you use the power kernel or something.. the binary available is for stock kernel only... | 04:52 |
| PhonicUK | ah | 04:52 |
| KaKaRoTo | PhonicUK, be patient, others are currently building the module for the power kernel | 04:52 |
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| PhonicUK | ok, cheers | 04:52 |
| PhonicUK | just gonna check PS3 firmware verison | 04:52 |
| PhonicUK | has it been patched out of newer firmwares already? | 04:52 |
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| PhonicUK | ah good im on 3.41 :) | 04:55 |
| KaKaRoTo | PhonicUK, no new firmware, 3.41 is the latest | 04:55 |
| KaKaRoTo | PhonicUK, but many people haven't updated since 3.15 (since linux support was removed) | 04:56 |
| PhonicUK | ok | 04:56 |
| PhonicUK | i have a slim anyway | 04:56 |
| KaKaRoTo | and since the exploit overwrites functions in memory, it's specific to the firmware 3.41 | 04:56 |
| PhonicUK | no supprises | 04:56 |
| KaKaRoTo | but someone is working on finding the right memory offset to overwrite to make it 3.15 compatible | 04:56 |
| PhonicUK | i just need to remove the power user kernel | 04:56 |
| PhonicUK | i wonder if this will lead to running Linux on the slim | 04:56 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | MNZ: think I'll need a HDM restart aka reboot | 04:56 |
| MNZ | DocScrutinizer51, no, just killall hildon-desktop | 04:57 |
| MNZ | upstart should reload it for ya, good as new | 04:57 |
| MNZ | modules loaded successfully!!! I'm now about to try hw accelerated video! | 04:59 |
| TiagoTiago_ | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=809137 <-thread rerquesting that virtual partitions sharing free space thing | 04:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | MNZ: nice. HDM 0% | 05:03 |
| MNZ | MNZ, gratz :D | 05:04 |
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| PhonicUK | shit | 05:04 |
| PhonicUK | i just bricked my N900 | 05:04 |
| TiagoTiago_ | :( | 05:05 |
| MNZ | :( | 05:05 |
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| TiagoTiago_ | permanet or you can still solve it with a reflash? | 05:05 |
| PhonicUK | i think it just needs its kernel flashing | 05:06 |
| TiagoTiago_ | could be worse | 05:06 |
| PhonicUK | can i flash the kernel without removing the contents of the root filesystem? | 05:06 |
| TiagoTiago_ | there is an option qith the flasher for lfashing kernel only, but i dunwhat exactly it considers as being the kernel | 05:07 |
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| caotic | has anyone wine the Nokia pc suite on linux ? I want tom do some contact management, but I was wondering if the wined up suite is worth it | 05:09 |
| TiagoTiago_ | does anyone got a link handy for the thread about reflashing changing the sizes of the partitions? | 05:09 |
| TiagoTiago_ | Ovi Suite is bprobably better for usiing with the N900 | 05:10 |
| PhonicUK | is there no reflasher for 64-bit systems? :( | 05:10 |
| caotic | TiagoTiago_: have you ran it under linux ? | 05:10 |
| TiagoTiago_ | nope, sorry | 05:10 |
| caotic | k | 05:11 |
| PhonicUK | brb, gotta reboot | 05:11 |
| MNZ | PhonicUK, | 05:11 |
| TiagoTiago_ | good luck | 05:11 |
| MNZ | the 32 bit flasher works fine | 05:11 |
| PhonicUK | need to disable driver signing xD | 05:11 |
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| MNZ | eh, windoze | 05:12 |
| TiagoTiago_ | okie | 05:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer | TiagoTiago: wasn't that you who was advised to bookmark http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools ? | 05:13 |
| TiagoTiago | ah, that was about that? ok | 05:14 |
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| PhonicUK | ok back | 05:15 |
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| TiagoTiago | wb | 05:15 |
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| n900-space | hi all | 05:17 |
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| TiagoTiago | hi | 05:17 |
| PhonicUK | there is indeed a kernel only option :) | 05:18 |
| PhonicUK | downloading the image | 05:18 |
| TiagoTiago | :) | 05:20 |
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| PhonicUK | arg | 05:32 |
| TiagoTiago | ? | 05:32 |
| PhonicUK | i think i have to run flasher as admin xD | 05:32 |
| PhonicUK | nope no help :\ | 05:33 |
| PhonicUK | "Suitable USB device not found, waiting." | 05:33 |
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| TiagoTiago | did you boot the N900 holding the U key? | 05:37 |
| TiagoTiago | wait, no | 05:37 |
| TiagoTiago | i think it's having it shutdown, then hold U and plug the USB and wait | 05:38 |
| PhonicUK | yeah i did | 05:39 |
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| TiagoTiago | unplug and try again? | 05:39 |
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| PhonicUK | no dice | 05:40 |
| PhonicUK | windows says that there is a Nokia N900 (Update Mode) present | 05:40 |
| MNZ | meh I'm off | 05:40 |
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| TiagoTiago | is there enough charge? | 05:40 |
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| PhonicUK | yes, its full | 05:41 |
| TiagoTiago | hm, that one didn't show when i did my reflaash, but then it was kinda messed up | 05:41 |
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| TiagoTiago | are you sure you're plugging it in a 2.0 port? | 05:41 |
| PhonicUK | yes | 05:41 |
| PhonicUK | gonna try rebooting again | 05:42 |
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| TiagoTiago | is there a way i can follow the instructions on th5 joerg page without having to boot Linux on my desktop? | 05:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | ermmm | 05:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | dunno, what's windows? | 05:43 |
| TiagoTiago | WinXP | 05:44 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | there are actually other OS than unixoid ones? | 05:44 |
| TiagoTiago | ah, lol | 05:44 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | sorry, no idea | 05:44 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | TiagoTiago: I guess if you find a decent hexeditor, then you can changemthe string '2048' this way | 05:46 |
| PhonicUK | ok lets try this again... | 05:46 |
| TiagoTiago | i see | 05:46 |
| TiagoTiago | so it's supposed to only have that in one place in the whole file? | 05:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | yes | 05:48 |
| TiagoTiago | ok | 05:48 |
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| PhonicUK | ffs why wont it work :( | 05:49 |
| TiagoTiago | hm, it's not the same file as the one used to flash the kernel, is it? | 05:49 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | and the context is quite speeaking | 05:49 |
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| PhonicUK | it refuses to start flashing | 05:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | no, it's vanilla eMMC | 05:49 |
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| PhonicUK | has anyone ever managed to flash on a 64-bit system :( | 05:50 |
| TiagoTiago | different file, ok | 05:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | PhonicUK: windows? often a reboot helps, to reset the USB | 05:51 |
| PhonicUK | i have done, twice now | 05:51 |
| PhonicUK | aah hangon | 05:51 |
| TiagoTiago | i think i saw a link for doing it in 64bits Windows in the wiki, not sure | 05:51 |
| PhonicUK | reboot time | 05:52 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | really, I'd prefer booting a linux live CD all days | 05:54 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | each day even | 05:54 |
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| TiagoTiago | it's only the first box in that page that is about the refllashing with bigger /home ? | 05:54 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | yes | 05:55 |
| TiagoTiago | ok | 05:55 |
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| PhonicUK | stupid sodding flasher tool :( | 05:58 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | stupid OS | 05:59 |
| PhonicUK | OS is fine, if people would write proper drivers for it :P | 05:59 |
| PhonicUK | hell they don't even support 64-bit linux :\ | 06:00 |
| PhonicUK | and i have no 32 bit machines | 06:00 |
| doc|home | anyone having the default media player cut out after playing part way through a song. Happens intermittently but more often than it should :/ | 06:00 |
| doc|home | nothing else happening on the device | 06:01 |
| TiagoTiago | 64bits systems are only ahead of ipv6 | 06:01 |
| * luke-jr teases PhonicUK with his 64-bit flasher | 06:02 | |
| PhonicUK | :\ | 06:02 |
| luke-jr | PhonicUK: too bad I can't redistribute it legally, eh? | 06:02 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | 64bit linux works with flasher, you just need a few libs | 06:02 |
| PhonicUK | why? | 06:02 |
| luke-jr | DocScrutinizer51: in other words, you need to install a 32-bit OS | 06:02 |
| luke-jr | PhonicUK: it's copyrighted | 06:02 |
| PhonicUK | so why do you have it? | 06:03 |
| luke-jr | I downloaded it when Nokia distributed it | 06:03 |
| PhonicUK | any idea why they dont any more? | 06:03 |
| doc|home | brb | 06:03 |
| luke-jr | no idea. Lazy? | 06:03 |
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| luke-jr | this is version 3.0. the one Nokia has now is 3.5 | 06:03 |
| luke-jr | probably they didn't build a 64-bit 3.5 | 06:03 |
| PhonicUK | i should sodomize them with a cactus | 06:04 |
| luke-jr | … | 06:04 |
| PhonicUK | its funny, up until a couple of weeks ago i worked for nokia xD | 06:04 |
| luke-jr | shoulda compiled a copy | 06:05 |
| PhonicUK | didnt have access to that stuff | 06:05 |
| luke-jr | meh | 06:05 |
| PhonicUK | wasnt working with handsets | 06:05 |
| luke-jr | if you can't leak SGX drivers, we don't care about you. | 06:05 |
| luke-jr | :P | 06:05 |
| luke-jr | source I mean | 06:05 |
| PhonicUK | lol | 06:05 |
| PhonicUK | looks like im just gonna have to build a 32-bit VM and do it in the morning | 06:06 |
| luke-jr | a chroot would do | 06:06 |
| luke-jr | just grab a Gentoo stage3 tar.bz2, chroot, and run? | 06:06 |
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| PhonicUK | no linux systems to hand at the moment | 06:06 |
| luke-jr | take all of 5 minutes | 06:06 |
| luke-jr | fail | 06:06 |
| luke-jr | who uses anything other than Linux? | 06:06 |
| PhonicUK | gamers :P | 06:07 |
| luke-jr | nah | 06:07 |
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| PhonicUK | linux support for my GTX480 is terrible | 06:07 |
| luke-jr | so buy supported video cards | 06:07 |
| PhonicUK | and no 3D Vision / PhysX support either | 06:07 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | oh yes, USB in a VM. That sounds like a plan to cure native USB problems | 06:07 |
| luke-jr | as if any of that crap matters… | 06:07 |
| luke-jr | DocScrutinizer51: LOL | 06:07 |
| PhonicUK | i have a 3D visions setup... :P | 06:07 |
| PhonicUK | my choice of OS shouldn't dicate my hardware, so i use what supports my hardware | 06:08 |
| PhonicUK | i love linux (gentoo fan) | 06:08 |
| luke-jr | sure it should | 06:08 |
| PhonicUK | but its a pain in the ass when I actually wanna get stuff done | 06:08 |
| luke-jr | hardware exists to run the OS | 06:08 |
| PhonicUK | the OS exists to control the hardware | 06:08 |
| TiagoTiago | does the touch sensor only coves the display area or with the right driver it might be possible to capture touches outside of the screen? | 06:08 |
| luke-jr | no, the OS exists to let you do crap | 06:08 |
| PhonicUK | eitherway, if an OS doesn't support the hardware I already have, im not going to use it am i | 06:09 |
| luke-jr | I would. | 06:09 |
| luke-jr | :p | 06:09 |
| PhonicUK | my GTX480 rips anything that works under linux to shreds | 06:09 |
| PhonicUK | maybe nvidia will get their act together again on drivers though | 06:09 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | TiagoTiago: the driver senses touches some mm outside the screen right now | 06:09 |
| luke-jr | PhonicUK: again? nVidia's *never* had their act together | 06:10 |
| luke-jr | I wouldn't take nVidia if you bought it for me | 06:10 |
| PhonicUK | their act has been a darn sight better than ATi's ever has been | 06:10 |
| luke-jr | well, I'd take it… but then just put it on ebay | 06:10 |
| PhonicUK | who up untill the last 18 months couldnt match their windows performace under linux | 06:10 |
| luke-jr | at least ATi *has* an act | 06:11 |
| PhonicUK | yeah and i just booed it off stage | 06:11 |
| luke-jr | nVidia just leaves Linux developers to reverse engineer everything | 06:11 |
| TiagoTiago | where? how much? would it be possible for example to assign the right side of the face as scrolling or zooming? | 06:11 |
| luke-jr | anyhow, this is getting rather off-topic | 06:11 |
| PhonicUK | the nvidia binary driver works brilliantly for any cards it supports :P | 06:11 |
| luke-jr | and TiagoTiago has something N900-related to talk about | 06:11 |
| asj | luke-jr, PhonicUK: hey guys, is emacs or vi better? | 06:11 |
| PhonicUK | ive never had a problem | 06:11 |
| TiagoTiago | lol | 06:11 |
| luke-jr | PhonicUK: illegal OS combinations don't count. | 06:11 |
| luke-jr | asj: vi | 06:12 |
| PhonicUK | neither of them is better - just depends which you need at the time | 06:12 |
| PhonicUK | i generally prefer vi though | 06:12 |
| luke-jr | asj: but I'm biased-- never seen or touched emacs | 06:12 |
| asj | woosh | 06:12 |
| PhonicUK | nano if im feeling laze | 06:12 |
| PhonicUK | *lazy | 06:12 |
| luke-jr | I generally type nano out of habit | 06:12 |
| luke-jr | for larger projects I use Kate | 06:12 |
| PhonicUK | Code::Blocks ftw | 06:13 |
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| PhonicUK | night all | 06:15 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | k, mcedit | 06:16 |
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| TiagoTiago | g'nite | 06:17 |
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| n900-space | g'nite | 06:17 |
| TiagoTiago | do i need to edit it in an hex editor or just a regular text editor will do? | 06:17 |
| n900-space | what are your editing? | 06:17 |
| TiagoTiago | the vanilla emmc image to increase the sizee of /home | 06:18 |
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| n900-space | wow | 06:18 |
| n900-space | i didnt know that shud be done and for it should be done | 06:18 |
| n900-space | but yes, hex editor | 06:18 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | normal text editor will probably explode | 06:18 |
| woodong50____ | good afternoon | 06:18 |
| n900-space | text editor wont do at all | 06:18 |
| TiagoTiago | why is it got "size = 2048" in plain text? | 06:19 |
| TiagoTiago | why if it* | 06:19 |
| woodong50____ | it is possible to sniff on n900 | 06:19 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | just because | 06:19 |
| TiagoTiago | lol | 06:19 |
| n900-space | you mean if you can find 2048 in form a text, you shud be able to change it with a text editor? | 06:19 |
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| TiagoTiago | yeah | 06:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | try, fail, think, use hexeditor | 06:21 |
| TiagoTiago | what would be different if i changed it with a regular text editor? | 06:21 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | maybe the auto linebreaks? the tabs converted to spaces? the nonprintable chars that a normal editor can't cope with? | 06:22 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | the lines >10k chars? | 06:23 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | try, fail, think, use hexeditor | 06:23 |
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| TiagoTiago | at what point am i expecteed to fail? | 06:26 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | where in 'try, fail, think, use hexeditor' was mentioned to ask for a proffesional multipage paper with an analysis of a idiotic plan based on a idiotic OS? | 06:29 |
| ieatlint | yeah, you can't realistically use a text editor to edit any binary file | 06:29 |
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| TiagoTiago | lol | 06:29 |
| ieatlint | (and binary files often contain plain text) | 06:29 |
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| TiagoTiago | what if i used vim? | 06:30 |
| ieatlint | vim is a text editor | 06:30 |
| TiagoTiago | ... | 06:30 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | TiagoTiago: that's been the most reasonable one of your last few dozen postings | 06:32 |
| TiagoTiago | lol | 06:32 |
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| sevard | Hi guys | 06:35 |
| sevard | does anyone use a car mount with their n810? | 06:35 |
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| luke-jr | unlikely, the GPS is too unreliable | 06:36 |
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| sevard | For some reason I have the holder, that the n810 snaps into with this weird circular adapter on the back. | 06:36 |
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| luke-jr | sevard: that comes with N810 | 06:36 |
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| sevard | so there wasn't some suction cup thing that connects into the round connector that i'm missing? | 06:36 |
| luke-jr | there is | 06:36 |
| luke-jr | not included | 06:36 |
| sevard | haha | 06:36 |
| sevard | does it have a name or part number | 06:36 |
| TiagoTiago | lol | 06:36 |
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| sevard | Man | 06:38 |
| sevard | i have an n810 and a blackberry tour | 06:38 |
| * ShadowJK used the car mount for his n810 until wayfinder stopped working | 06:38 | |
| sevard | the n810's gps radio sucks. the blackberry's gps applications suck. | 06:38 |
| sevard | it would be awesome to marry the two ;) to somehow have navit use the blackberry's gps. | 06:39 |
| ShadowJK | My N810 usually acquired a lock in 30 seconds without a-gps :) | 06:39 |
| ShadowJK | in the car | 06:39 |
| sevard | agps? | 06:39 |
| ShadowJK | without | 06:39 |
| ShadowJK | with agps enabled it was instant | 06:40 |
| sevard | it takes my n810 about 25 minutes to acquire a signal | 06:40 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | yeah, what's wrong with N810 GPS hw? | 06:40 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | just WFM | 06:40 |
| sevard | my blackberry does cell-gps instantly, and locks down to 4 meters in about 20 seconds | 06:40 |
| sevard | it would be rad to use the blackberry's gps radio with the nokia via bt or something. | 06:41 |
| ShadowJK | oh if gpsd or gpsdriver crashes, it doesn't tell you and never recovers :-) | 06:41 |
| sevard | haha | 06:41 |
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| ShadowJK | I had a suction-sup + universal holder thing before. I had bought it a few years before N810. It came with two attachments, one with two adjustable "hands", and one flat with just 4 holes | 06:43 |
| ShadowJK | never fond any use for the last one until N810 | 06:43 |
| ShadowJK | the holes aligned perfectly with the holes on the car holder included with N810 | 06:43 |
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| luke-jr | sevard: erm, N810's GPS radio is fine. The problem is software. | 07:16 |
| luke-jr | notably, N900 has the same GPS that N810 did ;) | 07:17 |
| derf | The N810's GPS was horrible. | 07:17 |
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| luke-jr | derf: it's the driver | 07:20 |
| TiagoTiago | are human nails harder or softer than the builtin stylus of the N900? | 07:21 |
| luke-jr | softer I bet | 07:22 |
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| TiagoTiago | don't forget that human hair is tougher than steel mm³ per mm³ | 07:23 |
| jpinx-eeepc | spidersweb even more | 07:23 |
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| TiagoTiago | well, yeah, but i don't see the relation between spiderwebs and human nails | 07:23 |
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| zokier | i dont think spiderweb is harder, but stronger than steel | 07:34 |
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| zokier | id say that the stylus is harder than human nails, as i cant scratch my stylus withmy nails | 07:35 |
| TiagoTiago | but can you scratch your nails with the stylus? | 07:36 |
| zokier | yes, it seems to leave a mark | 07:37 |
| TiagoTiago | ok | 07:37 |
| TiagoTiago | that's good news, using nails is probably less harmfull to the screen than using the stylus :) | 07:38 |
| luke-jr | my nails bend too easy | 07:39 |
| microlith | nah | 07:40 |
| microlith | I've never scratched my screen with my stylus | 07:40 |
| luke-jr | grumble, kernel-maemo doesn't support iotop | 07:40 |
| microlith | but I have with my nails! | 07:40 |
| TiagoTiago | perhaps the hardness of the nail depends on the direction of the forvce applied | 07:41 |
| zokier | probably varies from a person to person | 07:41 |
| microlith | that and the surface at the edge of the nail | 07:41 |
| microlith | and if anything, no matter how small, happens to be in the path | 07:42 |
| zokier | and nails may be bit sharper than the round tip of stylus | 07:43 |
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| TiagoTiago | the stylus should be softer than the screen, so if you can't mscratch the stylus you can't scratch the screen | 07:46 |
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| luke-jr | I'll be MIA for a week or so; bye | 07:49 |
| TiagoTiago | cya | 07:49 |
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| jpinx-eeepc | luke-jr: where ya going? | 07:50 |
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| luke-jr | jpinx-eeepc: can't say until I'm gone, sorry | 07:50 |
| jpinx-eeepc | :D | 07:50 |
| jpinx-eeepc | don't stay away too long - we need you ;) | 07:50 |
| jpinx-eeepc | we need every sane developer and user in here ;) | 07:51 |
| TiagoTiago | you're going to war? o.o | 07:51 |
| TiagoTiago | or just to a new job? | 07:52 |
| luke-jr | can't say, lawyer sez so | 07:52 |
| TiagoTiago | or you can't even answer questions like these? | 07:53 |
| TiagoTiago | oh, wow | 07:53 |
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| luke-jr | implying I'm going somewhere is already too much really | 07:53 |
| TiagoTiago | ok | 07:54 |
| TiagoTiago | i'll drop it | 07:54 |
| luke-jr | ttyl | 07:54 |
| TiagoTiago | though it's not like i know who yoju are besides your current irc nick | 07:54 |
| TiagoTiago | anyway, good luck | 07:54 |
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| luke-jr | my IRC nick is my real name, abbreviated slightly | 07:56 |
| luke-jr | :p | 07:56 |
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| TiagoTiago | there is this post in tmo i've stumbled upon a few times but i ended up never bookmarking thinking it was easy to find, well, i'm not finding it , it was a post about how to decide how big to make your /home partition, any idea? | 07:57 |
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| n900-space | TiagoTiago: i have always find it very hard to search any post in tmo, so bookmarking or stumbling upon it again using google is the only option. | 08:33 |
| TiagoTiago | :( | 08:33 |
| n900-space | btw have been able to change that 2048 figure? | 08:33 |
| n900-space | have u* | 08:33 |
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| TiagoTiago | yeah, but the pc is slow so i started playing blobwars, i'll leave thee reflash to tomorrow, i have to go somewhere and i and dwanna risk going with a blank N900, i'll work oln it tomorrowi in the afternoon,i'm gonna also try doing a diff on the file edited with an hex editor vs with a regular text editor | 08:35 |
| TiagoTiago | don't wanna risk* | 08:36 |
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| n900-space | well its guaranteed that editing emmc image with a text editor is going to leave it worth no use, unless there is a text editor which has this kind of capability that i dont know of ofcourse | 08:37 |
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| scp1 | Why does the n900 reboot when I kill X? | 09:18 |
| scp1 | runlevels..? | 09:19 |
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| Khertan_Home | Hi guys ! | 09:21 |
| Khertan_Home | hi achipa , | 09:21 |
| Khertan_Home | achipa, you are the maintainer of pyqt in extras-devel right ? | 09:22 |
| achipa | Khertan_Home: so they say :) | 09:22 |
| Khertan_Home | i got some report from user saying that khweeteur depends on old pyqt package and should depends on pyqt4-experimentals | 09:23 |
| Khertan_Home | experimental ... look like experimental ... so any apps for ends user should not depends on it | 09:23 |
| Khertan_Home | and the problem is also that it s conflict with "normal" pyqt package | 09:24 |
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| djszapi | http://pastie.org/1143125 | 09:35 |
| djszapi | I am using binary nvidia driver. | 09:35 |
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| rmrfchik | djszapi: don't you miss channel? anyway, you don't use nvidia driver | 09:41 |
| rmrfchik | paste your xorg.conf | 09:42 |
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| djszapi | k | 09:42 |
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| djszapi | xephyr is needed to run maemo gui ... | 09:43 |
| djszapi | i do not miss the channel ofc ... | 09:43 |
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| djszapi | http://pastie.org/1143131 -> I am also using nvidia ... | 09:43 |
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| rmrfchik | djszapi: didn't see a note about xephyr, so first paste was from xephyr log? | 09:47 |
| djszapi | what do you mean ? | 09:47 |
| rmrfchik | http://pastie.org/1143125 | 09:47 |
| djszapi | what do you mean ? | 09:48 |
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| rmrfchik | djszapi: I mean, this log is from xephyr? | 09:48 |
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| djszapi | sure | 09:49 |
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| rmrfchik | mine swrast_dri.so is in ia32-libs package o_O | 09:51 |
| sevard | Does anyone use garmin maps with navit? | 09:51 |
| djszapi | rmrfchik: which distribution do you use ? | 09:52 |
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| hrw | rmrfchik: hi | 10:38 |
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| merlin1991 | where's the early morning spam? | 10:45 |
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| crashanddie | early morning spam? | 10:46 |
| crashanddie | like, the so-called meat in a box? | 10:46 |
| crashanddie | I'd rather have bacon, tyvm | 10:46 |
| merlin1991 | :) | 10:47 |
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| mece | Khertan_, ping | 10:56 |
| mece | Khertan_Home, ping? | 10:57 |
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| Khertan_Home | pong | 10:58 |
| Khertan_Home | mece, ponc | 10:59 |
| Khertan_Home | mece, pong | 10:59 |
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| mece | Khertan_Home, Khteditor 0.5-1 gives me this: http://pastebin.com/iNE2nQ9R | 11:04 |
| mece | same with 0.4-1 (or whatever the previous version is) is there a dependency issue? | 11:04 |
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| Khertan_Home | mece, gnié ? | 11:05 |
| Khertan_Home | mece, did you have other Qt app that works ? | 11:06 |
| Khertan_Home | it should be contained in python-qt4-qtcore | 11:06 |
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| mece | Khertan_Home, yes, other pyqt apps work. perhaps khteditor use the experimental pyqt libs but doesn't depend on them? | 11:08 |
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| Khertan_Home | mece, no no ... i didn't use experimentals | 11:08 |
| mece | wait.. | 11:09 |
| mece | is there a package called python-qt4-qtcore? I've got python2.5-qt4-core | 11:09 |
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| Khertan_Home | same | 11:10 |
| mece | apparently i have python2.5-qt4-core v 4.7.4-maemo0 | 11:11 |
| mece | what have you got? | 11:11 |
| mece | aahaha http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FYVJSOFZxDE | 11:13 |
| mece | london underground. It's relevant I hear. | 11:13 |
| Khertan_Home | 4.7.4-maemo0 | 11:16 |
| Khertan_Home | same here | 11:16 |
| Khertan_Home | python2.5-qt4-core 4.7.4-maemo0 Python bindings for Qt4 Core components. | 11:16 |
| Khertan_Home | python2.5-qt4 is installed ? | 11:16 |
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| mece | Khertan_Home, apparently not. | 11:17 |
| mece | you think that's it? | 11:17 |
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| mece | might it be python2.5-qt4-common that is missing. python2.5-qt4 is a metapackage. | 11:18 |
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| mece | hmm I don't feel like installing python2.5-qt4 because then we'll never know what was missing.. | 11:20 |
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| Khertan_Home | mece, true | 11:24 |
| Khertan_Home | python2.5-qt4-common | 11:24 |
| Khertan_Home | god ... i miss this one | 11:24 |
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| mece | Khertan_Home, I commented out line 25 (import PyQt4.Qt) from pylint.py and now khteditor works perfectly. | 11:26 |
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| Khertan_Home | mece, until you launch the dialog :) | 11:26 |
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| mece | which dialog? | 11:26 |
| Khertan_Home | uhm ... it s not anymore a dialog | 11:27 |
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| Khertan_Home | i mean the pylint | 11:27 |
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| mece | Khertan_Home, everything seems to work. what does pylint do? how do I know? | 11:27 |
| Khertan_Home | the pylint process use some constant located in Qt module | 11:28 |
| mece | ok so how do I test it? | 11:28 |
| Khertan_Home | you didn't know what pylint is ? | 11:28 |
| Khertan_Home | open a python source code | 11:28 |
| Khertan_Home | and click on the pylint button | 11:28 |
| mece | it's open. | 11:28 |
| Khertan_Home | but it s require that pylint is installed | 11:28 |
| Khertan_Home | http://www.logilab.org/857 | 11:28 |
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| Khertan_Home | (i've made the package in extras-devel) | 11:29 |
| mece | so I need to separately install pylint? | 11:30 |
| achipa | whoops, meeting... anyway, Khertan_Home: experimental pyqt is not parallel installable | 11:31 |
| crashanddie | lcuk: do you still have that link to that git cheatsheet | 11:32 |
| achipa | would need to monkey around with module paths, LD stuff, and since there is no mobility or similar for it anyway, didn't bother that much... | 11:32 |
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| djszapi | -> /scratchbox/sbin/sbox_adduser lpapp yes | 11:35 |
| djszapi | Host kernel is lacking binfmt_misc support! | 11:35 |
| djszapi | You need it to run scratchbox. | 11:35 |
| mece | achipa, do you know which package is needed for PyQt4.Qt? | 11:36 |
| djszapi | http://pastie.org/1143232 -> what is happening ? I can load a module more times ? | 11:36 |
| djszapi | I have got an archlinux host and a debian chrooted guest inside that where I would like to execute this command. | 11:36 |
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| mece | Khertan_Home, appears 0.0.6-1 got stuck in the autobuilder... | 11:38 |
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| lcuk | crashanddie, certainly | 11:42 |
| lcuk | http://ktown.kde.org/~zrusin/git/git-cheat-sheet-medium.png | 11:42 |
| crashanddie | yeah, found it :P | 11:43 |
| crashanddie | I prefer the -large.png one though | 11:43 |
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| djszapi | any idea ? | 11:43 |
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| djszapi | /scratchbox/sbin/sbox_ctl start | 11:44 |
| djszapi | Starting Scratchbox: binfmt_misc, mount. | 11:44 |
| djszapi | and even ... | 11:44 |
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| lcuk | crashanddie, sure it just wfm to have it handy | 11:46 |
| crashanddie | Yeah, trying to print it on A3 paper ^^ | 11:48 |
| djszapi | root /home/lpapp # lsmod | grep -Rni binfmt | 11:48 |
| djszapi | root /home/lpapp # | 11:48 |
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| rmrfchik | hrw: aloga | 12:00 |
| rmrfchik | aloha* | 12:00 |
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| achipa | mece: sounds like python2.5-qt4-core | 12:04 |
| hrw | rmrfchik: how goes vexed? | 12:04 |
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| mece | achipa, apparently it doesn't work. hm. | 12:04 |
| achipa | though that might me PyQt4.QtCore.Qt | 12:06 |
| achipa | s/me/be/ | 12:06 |
| infobot | achipa meant: though that might be PyQt4.QtCore.Qt | 12:06 |
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| rmrfchik | hrw: in fight "Dynamic Layouts: Me" I won 0:1 | 12:10 |
| rmrfchik | Now fixing sizes | 12:10 |
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| rmrfchik | hrw: think to publish today on public git. don't want to hack the GUI, wanna leave it to community ;) | 12:11 |
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| Khertan_Home | mece, auto builder as usual :) | 12:13 |
| Khertan_Home | mece, the 0.0.6 was publish yesterday | 12:13 |
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| Khertan_Home | achipa, as it s works on my device ... it s strange | 12:14 |
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| achipa | you might be doing some from PyQt4(.QtCore) import * somewhere ? | 12:17 |
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| hrw | rmrfchik: nice | 12:20 |
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| Khertan_Home | achipa ... probably :) | 12:22 |
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| crashanddie | MohammadAG51: does the hack still work with v3.42? | 12:23 |
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| kerio | they fixed the hack with 3.42 | 12:41 |
| kerio | it's the only point of fw 3.42 | 12:41 |
| kerio | in fact, i should download the updater to 3.41 | 12:41 |
| haj | I can't make it work on my 3.41... old fat PS3 | 12:42 |
| haj | I am supposed to hit powerbutton and then eject, but how long do I hold it? can I hold it too long perhaps? | 12:42 |
| haj | I don't get the "install packages" | 12:42 |
| kke | gotta buy ps3 before they start shipping with unbreakble fw's | 12:42 |
| lcuk | holy shit, on August 10th, Peter Schneider posted maemo.org had 20million downloads http://twitter.com/PeterMeeGo/status/20781495863 | 12:42 |
| lcuk | its at 28million now! | 12:42 |
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| kerio | dammit you can't download 3.41 | 12:43 |
| haj | kke: It is a bit annoying that it needs to have the N900 connected all the time anyways... It would be nicer if it was possible to do a mod on the OS so that it just works.. I don't ever play online anyway but it would be nice to use harddisk for the games instead of wearing out the blu-ray drive.. :) | 12:44 |
| kke | haj: you can get a chip for $50 but i guess you still need to use the eject trick | 12:46 |
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| haj | kke: thats the annoying part... I like turning on my PS3 with the controller ;) I don't want to get up and turn it on | 12:48 |
| haj | kke: it's not like I switch games that often anyway... ATM I'm playing Oblivion, so it's mostly that disc thats in the drive anyway... | 12:48 |
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| alterego | Is MeeGo touch going to be available with PR1.3 ? | 12:48 |
| kke | kerio: http://www.ps3news.com/forums/ps3-online-news/ps3-firmware-update-3-42-now-available-details-incoming-112472.html there's some instructions in that thread how to solve that | 12:49 |
| kke | but it's getting a bit offtopic for #maemo :) | 12:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer | lcuk: (+8e6) see how often people need to reflash? :-P | 12:54 |
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| lcuk | DocScrutinizer, i would put it down to fapman and multidownloading apps quicker personally | 12:56 |
| lcuk | but idk | 12:56 |
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| Khertan_Home | alterego, MeeGo Touch ? the lib ? | 13:15 |
| Khertan_Home | lol i didn't see the topic | 13:16 |
| timeless | sp3000: ping, my conversations list is corrupt | 13:18 |
| lcuk | well google can now go DIAF, i just unset it as my homepage for the most recent picture. wtf do they think the default homepage needs particle physics idk | 13:19 |
| timeless | particle physics?? | 13:21 |
| Khertan_Home | mece, 0.0.6-2 uploaded to extras-builder | 13:21 |
| Khertan_Home | again :) | 13:21 |
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| sp3000 | timeless: stop having corrupt conversations :) | 13:22 |
| timeless | right.. | 13:23 |
| timeless | if i left you w/ picture urls could you censor them and send them to someone? | 13:23 |
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| sp3000 | bah, my tb build dies somewhere | 13:24 |
| sp3000 | maybe | 13:24 |
| alterego | Khertan_Home: yeah. | 13:24 |
| lcuk | timeless, you have been told not to take double polaroids | 13:24 |
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| timeless | wah, one of my pictures didn't take | 13:24 |
| timeless | the 901 is an sms thing | 13:28 |
| timeless | not a skype thing | 13:28 |
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| timeless | when i clicked on it, i got an error (which was camera(screenshot)-shy) | 13:29 |
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| timeless | but having sent a new skype im to the real guy, the item doesn't appear the same way | 13:29 |
| timeless | although you can see it in the skype log view | 13:29 |
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| toggles_w | wtf? | 14:39 |
| lcuk | glitch in the matrix? | 14:39 |
| toggles_w | has anyone tried to open your n900 charger? have you seen the heads? wtf? | 14:39 |
| lcuk | if i open my n900 charger my laptop won't work anymore | 14:40 |
| MiXu- | I had a weird issue of not being able to charge my N900 from a cigarette lighter plug using a plug that has a usb port in it | 14:41 |
| toggles_w | MiXu-: not wierd, not providing the amps | 14:41 |
| MiXu- | toggles_w: Is there a minimum that the N900 requires to charge? | 14:42 |
| toggles_w | MiXu-: yes, not sure what, but more than 500 most car usb chargers provide | 14:42 |
| toggles_w | there is a hack to short the pins, but can't remember from memory | 14:43 |
| toggles_w | btw. If your dad doesn't have a beard then you have two mums. | 14:43 |
| MiXu- | A PC won't provide more than 500mA | 14:43 |
| toggles_w | happy world beard day you open source beard folk | 14:43 |
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| toggles_w | MiXu-: not sure exactly, google is your friend, there is plenty of chatter on tmo | 14:44 |
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| MiXu- | toggles_w: Yeah. I do have a proper nokia charger that works but I was just wondering why the USB-cable won't work | 14:45 |
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| toggles_w | MiXu-: don't know without doing research, but it has to do with pin shorting to allow dumb chargers to work, vs pc, vs drawing more amps from the wall | 14:49 |
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| timeless | dneary: geoping | 14:50 |
| toggles_w | damn.. it's called a tri-wing screwdriver... wtf | 14:50 |
| dneary | timeless, What's a geoping? | 14:50 |
| dneary | You want to know where I am? | 14:50 |
| timeless | yes | 14:50 |
| timeless | i'm @kings-cross/london | 14:51 |
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| dneary | Lyon, France | 14:52 |
| timeless | hrm, with luck i might be there around november | 14:53 |
| MiXu- | Looks like it requires shorting the two middle pins of a usb port to make the car charger look like a nokia wall charger to the n900 | 14:54 |
| toggles_w | no, make it look like a dumb charger that will provide 500ma | 14:55 |
| toggles_w | the wall charger will provide 1200mah, how it tells the deivce i don't know | 14:56 |
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| kerio | it doesn't | 14:56 |
| kerio | when d+/d- are shorted, the n900 assumes it's some kind of charger | 14:57 |
| kerio | and happily sucks as much power as it can | 14:57 |
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| MohammadAG51 | hmm, can anyone link me to maemo5 specific qt code? | 14:57 |
| MohammadAG51 | or just paste the PyQt rotation flag :P | 14:57 |
| ech0Asus | mornin | 14:57 |
| kerio | it doesn't do that when there's a data connection because it would mean it's talking to a computer/hub/something that may actually need the pw for something else | 14:57 |
| ech0Asus | hows everyone doing? | 14:57 |
| toggles_w | molto bene | 14:57 |
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| toggles_w | kerio: fair enough | 14:58 |
| ech0Asus | anyone know if nagra3 has been figured out yet? | 14:59 |
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| zap | The package libsdl-ttf2.0 is broken, anybody else encounters this problem? | 15:04 |
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| achipa | zap: pretty much everybody. On it. Going slow. Sadly. | 15:04 |
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| zap | Maintainer: PyMaemo Team... | 15:05 |
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| lcuk | is there an app category for compilations? | 15:07 |
| lcuk | supposing someone wanted to make a metapackage for artist programs, or exploration etc - they could bundle them together and put on extras | 15:07 |
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| lcuk | or #maemotop5 lists :D | 15:08 |
| ieatlint | MohammadAG51: if you still need it, http://doc.qt.nokia.com/qt-maemo-4.6/platform-notes-maemo5.html | 15:10 |
| ieatlint | dunno the pyqt equiv... | 15:11 |
| Jaffa | Morning, all | 15:11 |
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| alterego | lcuk: not sure I like that idea :P | 15:13 |
| JuniperJaxx | goodmirning Jaffa | 15:13 |
| JuniperJaxx | morning* | 15:13 |
| lcuk | alterego, why not? | 15:13 |
| JuniperJaxx | i just realized how nice the alarm tones on the n900 are | 15:13 |
| JuniperJaxx | :) | 15:13 |
| lcuk | i thought about it for the maemo coding competition | 15:13 |
| achipa | ieatlint: same thing, just replace :: with . | 15:14 |
| lcuk | to allow people to install all the entrants at once | 15:14 |
| alterego | Well, you could just make a meta package. | 15:14 |
| lcuk | sure | 15:14 |
| lcuk | morning Jaffa | 15:14 |
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| alterego | Just spent the morning refactoring some code into shared libs | 15:15 |
| alterego | Pain in the ass. | 15:15 |
| lcuk | i thought it was qml? | 15:15 |
| frals | http://starwithpam.com/ :D | 15:15 |
| pupnik_ | JuniperJaxx: good sound design is like that - it's unobtrusive but lends immensely to the feel of a product | 15:16 |
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| ieatlint | achipa: and out of curiosity, how would you do "#ifdef Q_WS_MAEMO_5" in qt? | 15:18 |
| alterego | ieatlint: #if defined(Q_WS_MAEMO_5) | 15:18 |
| JuniperJaxx | pupnik_: actually i have not looked into this but anyway to get those tones off of my n900? | 15:18 |
| ieatlint | cool | 15:19 |
| pupnik_ | find /usr/share/ -name \*.wav maybe JuniperJaxx | 15:19 |
| JuniperJaxx | pupnik_: yeah i will take a look i have not installed an ssh daemon on my n900 yet it might be a good time to do it :P | 15:21 |
| lcuk | ieatlint, alterego - why does #ifdef not work? | 15:21 |
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| alterego | Because Q_WS_ stuff is a different macro | 15:22 |
| alterego | Isn't a macro, I don't think, n ot in the C/C++ sense. | 15:22 |
| alterego | But maybe I'm wrong, I dunno :) | 15:22 |
| lcuk | so #if preprocessor can evaluate real variables? | 15:23 |
| ieatlint | i don't really know python, so i'm not the one to ask | 15:23 |
| koala_man | the sshd is one of the apps I use the most. I love being able to scp files to the device | 15:23 |
| alterego | lcuk: it can in Qt yeah | 15:23 |
| MiXu- | Looks like the pin-mod works on the car charger | 15:23 |
| lcuk | hm | 15:23 |
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| djszapi | what do I do wrong ? | 15:26 |
| djszapi | newgrp sbox | 15:26 |
| djszapi | lpapp@myhost:/$ /scratchbox/login | 15:26 |
| djszapi | ERROR: Scratchbox is not properly set up! | 15:26 |
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| * Noobmonk3y waves | 15:27 | |
| djszapi | -> /scratchbox/sbin/sbox_ctl start happened | 15:27 |
| djszapi | /scratchbox/sbin/sbox_ctl start | 15:27 |
| djszapi | Starting Scratchbox: binfmt_misc, mount. | 15:27 |
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| djszapi | /scratchbox/sbin/sbox_adduser lpapp | 15:29 |
| djszapi | Scratchbox user account for user lpapp already exists! | 15:29 |
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| ieatlint | djszapi: this may be your problem http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Final_SDK_Installation#x86-64_kernel | 15:30 |
| djszapi | nop | 15:30 |
| djszapi | it worked perfectly before the restart | 15:30 |
| djszapi | PC reboot, I mean | 15:30 |
| djszapi | 41 kernel /boot/vmlinuz26 root=/dev/sda6 ro vsdo32=0 | 15:31 |
| ieatlint | unless you added it the sysctl.conf, it won't survive a reboot | 15:31 |
| djszapi | this is my kernel boot line that should work | 15:31 |
| djszapi | why not | 15:31 |
| djszapi | ? | 15:31 |
| djszapi | kernel boot parameter takes effect after every reboot | 15:31 |
| ieatlint | actually i don't know.. presumably that would work | 15:32 |
| wazd | http://img830.imageshack.us/img830/7028/wutwut.jpg pwnd :) | 15:32 |
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| djszapi | but it does not work ... | 15:32 |
| ieatlint | although you're setting vsdo32 | 15:32 |
| djszapi | and ? | 15:32 |
| ieatlint | assuming you're >2.6.24, it's abi.vsyscall32 | 15:32 |
| djszapi | vdso32 | 15:32 |
| djszapi | yes, 2.6.35 | 15:33 |
| ieatlint | otherwise it's vdso, not vdso32 | 15:33 |
| djszapi | pardon ? | 15:33 |
| ieatlint | you should be setting abi.vsyscall32 to 0, not "vdso32", which i doubt even exists | 15:33 |
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| djszapi | mmh, it works now ... | 15:34 |
| djszapi | what I did: sbox_ctl stop/start | 15:34 |
| djszapi | start was not enough .... weird .... | 15:34 |
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| achipa | ieatlint: that's kind of the wrong approach - you should try: except: an import statement with the QtMaemo5 module | 15:35 |
| achipa | ieatlint: #ifdef makes little/no sense in a Python context | 15:36 |
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| ieatlint | achipa: uh ... hence why i asked | 15:36 |
| Noobmonk3y | lol waz | 15:36 |
| ieatlint | i'm used to using it in c/c++, was curious how it would translate to python | 15:36 |
| achipa | python is a shoot (import) first, ask (except) later :) | 15:37 |
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| Psi | 3 hours well spent, (compiled FPC and lazarus for linux-arm crosscompile and got it running) | 15:40 |
| Psi | just dropped few buttons/memos/tickboxes onto a form, compiled, copied to n900 and it runs :D | 15:40 |
| SpeedEvil | woo! | 15:41 |
| * SpeedEvil passes Psi a celebratory cooking apple. | 15:41 | |
| Psi | :) | 15:41 |
| Psi | large chunk of the time was renaming foo.so.0 to foo.so | 15:42 |
| Psi | cos i was to lazy to write a script to do it | 15:42 |
| Psi | about 500 or so files | 15:43 |
| SpeedEvil | I tend to just do that with awk. | 15:43 |
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| SpeedEvil | find . -whatever -print0|awk -v RS="\000" '{gsub(" | 15:44 |
| SpeedEvil | ... | 15:44 |
| SpeedEvil | I use awk for way too much. | 15:44 |
| SpeedEvil | Including realtime DSP | 15:44 |
| alterego | Heh | 15:45 |
| JuniperJaxx | pupnik_: -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 158911 Aug 26 2009 /usr/share/sounds/ui-clock_alarm_2.aac | 15:45 |
| JuniperJaxx | :D | 15:45 |
| SpeedEvil | Unsurprisingly - sox|hexdump|awk is actually quite an inefficient way of doing DSP | 15:45 |
| alterego | Heh | 15:46 |
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| sevard | Does anyone use garmin maps with navit? | 15:47 |
| SpeedEvil | As far as I'm aware - that's impossible. | 15:48 |
| SpeedEvil | There are convert OSM software to garmin tools. | 15:48 |
| sevard | there's a libgarmin, and navit is supposed to support garmin maps. | 15:48 |
| SpeedEvil | but I don't think it's the ohter way | 15:48 |
| SpeedEvil | Or maybe I'm wrong. | 15:48 |
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| SpeedEvil | I would suggest asking over on #openstreetmap over on irc.oftc.net | 15:49 |
| sevard | I'm trying to find out if libgarmin is broken, it seems the maintainer stopped working on it a long time ago | 15:49 |
| SpeedEvil | or is it #osm | 15:49 |
| sevard | it doesn't look like anyone is complaining about it but then again but I can't find anyone that acutally uses it | 15:49 |
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| djszapi | W: GPG error: https://files.maemo.org default/unreleased Release: No keyring installed in /etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d/. | 15:49 |
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| djszapi | ouch | 15:49 |
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| Khertan_Home | who have announced his candidature for Maemo Council ? | 15:56 |
| Noobmonk3y | another vote already? | 15:57 |
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| mece | Noobmonk3y, hey! long time | 15:59 |
| Noobmonk3y | hey hey! | 16:00 |
| Noobmonk3y | :) :) | 16:00 |
| Noobmonk3y | yeah sorry - i was being useless, you know, real life n all, got in the way :) | 16:00 |
| mece | Noobmonk3y, yeah, real life blows! | 16:00 |
| Noobmonk3y | hehehe - just moved home, and hadnt got round to setting computers up :P | 16:01 |
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| Noobmonk3y | right back to work! | 16:04 |
| Noobmonk3y | ciao alls | 16:04 |
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| zap | What's the best emulation to use in scratchbox? qemu-arm-cvs-m? | 16:21 |
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| pog | I just installed (on N900 locate from the repositories. dbupdate --localpaths='/' which resides and is a link in usr/bin/gun comes with error: find: unrecognized: -fstype | 16:25 |
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| pog | there might be other packages arround with slocate or mlocate which work... | 16:26 |
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| pog | probably easy question, *where* are the musik Donwload Data in the file-tree, I dont find them below /home/user | 16:28 |
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| zap | E0x: Unable to parse package file /var/lib/apt/lists/repository.maemo.org_extras-devel_dists_fremantle-1.2_free_binary-armel_Packages (1) | 16:29 |
| zap | E0x: The package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened. | 16:29 |
| zap | Is this the expected behavior? | 16:29 |
| pog | (mc commander works...) | 16:30 |
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| zap | I'm glad | 16:32 |
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| pog | ha, I'm just on installing the N900 | 16:34 |
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| pog | nice gadget!!! | 16:34 |
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| Scelt | http://twitter.com/mikkohypponen/status/23236037184 | 16:35 |
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| zap | /home/user/Xorg.0.log is all filled with 0xff's for security reasons? :) | 16:37 |
| frals | Scelt: the reports ive raid specificially say wikileaks wasnt disturbed during the raid | 16:38 |
| pog | google is too intelligent to find dbupdate (in one word:-) | 16:39 |
| pog | some guys got to work locate dbupdate on N900? | 16:39 |
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| TiagoTiago | i had to reflash, the contacts app was crashing over and over again :( | 16:42 |
| jacekowski | oc? | 16:42 |
| TiagoTiago | that was before, this time i think what messed thing sup was flipping on and off and switching sim cards back and forth while the operator was sending the configs for internet | 16:43 |
| TiagoTiago | POwer Kernel said somthing baout an unexpected reboot, but i wasn't rebooting, i was holding the power button, thugh i might not have waited long enough to pull the battery once or twice | 16:44 |
| TiagoTiago | though* | 16:44 |
| TiagoTiago | i think i heard a DC pop comming form the speakers once | 16:45 |
| Termana | I find that you need to wait about 10 seconds before it decides its fully turned off | 16:45 |
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| TiagoTiago | seems like a good guideline | 16:48 |
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| pog | I got a hint concerning dbupdate (change script find to gfinde on 208) Here: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=40647 seems to work.. | 16:50 |
| TiagoTiago | i tookt he oportunity and also flash the emmc, now i shouldn't have issues with running out of space in /opt for a long time | 16:51 |
| pog | ha, the date I serached are hidden in /home/user ;-) | 16:51 |
| TiagoTiago | why some repos use just freemantle and other use freemantle-1.2? | 16:52 |
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| TiagoTiago | others* | 16:53 |
| barisione | if you use custom ringtones for contacts and works fine would you upvote it in http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/per-contact-ringtones/1.0.3-0/ ? I would like to make it reach extras as it seems to work fine | 16:54 |
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| lindi- | barisione: hmm, are those ringtones really armel specific? | 16:56 |
| barisione | lindi-: hm? | 16:56 |
| PhonicUK | hey all | 16:56 |
| zap | barisione: I thought custom ringtones are in the standard N900 firmware? | 16:56 |
| PhonicUK | i managed to get my N900 to boot again :) | 16:56 |
| lindi- | barisione: it has 'Architecture: armel' set | 16:57 |
| pupnik | it is an app lindi- | 16:57 |
| lindi- | pupnik: ah | 16:57 |
| barisione | zap: custom per contact ringtones. it's not supported by default | 16:57 |
| * lindi- was hoping for free ringtones :) | 16:57 | |
| barisione | no :) | 16:57 |
| zap | really? it works for me, and I haven't installed your package | 16:57 |
| barisione | zap: how do you set a ringtone for a specific contact? | 16:58 |
| zap | barisione: you won't believe, I really use your package :) Thought it's a standard feature, though was wondering why it's not translated to Russian :) | 16:59 |
| zap | hahah, I thought it's a standard feature | 17:00 |
| barisione | zap: now there is a russian translation! | 17:00 |
| zap | cool :) | 17:00 |
| zap | will test & vote it | 17:00 |
| barisione | thanks | 17:00 |
| pog | wildmidi mymidi.mid works, but sound is not audible, when Device is sleeping (while ssh works). | 17:00 |
| pog | I'm glad that the device seems to be always ssh-accessible... | 17:01 |
| pog | so I can be used as a server:-) | 17:01 |
| TiagoTiago | i wish there was a prog that owuld remind me of voting for the programs that need voting that i have instaleld | 17:01 |
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| lindi- | can you suggest some free ringtones? I found it really difficult to find something that'd meet debian free software guidelines and would be audible and somewhat non-odd :) I wrote my own, http://iki.fi/lindi/openmoko/ringtone/ and submitted it to some site that collects free audio samples | 17:04 |
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| PhonicUK | sucks that the same day i get PSFreedom to work on my N900, sony releases a firmware update xD | 17:05 |
| TiagoTiago | there is probably a few sites out there that host copyright-free (and other types of free) music and sound samples | 17:05 |
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| lindi- | TiagoTiago: yeah I tried googling around but most lacked proper copyright information | 17:06 |
| TiagoTiago | you shouldn't have left your PS3 set to update automaticly | 17:06 |
| alterego | lindi-: look for something under the creative commons, I know there's something out there, just can't remember what it is. | 17:06 |
| alterego | what/where | 17:06 |
| TiagoTiago | try being specific, like using those creative commons abbreviations | 17:06 |
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| TiagoTiago | try Wikimedia :) | 17:06 |
| alterego | Heh | 17:07 |
| TiagoTiago | usually they have explicit licensing information for the stuff there | 17:07 |
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| lindi- | PhonicUK: hmm, is the source of psfreedom available somewhere? I'd be interested in how gadget devices are created | 17:07 |
| PhonicUK | i dont know tbh, i'd suspect so though | 17:08 |
| lindi- | alterego: many were under CC-NC | 17:08 |
| PhonicUK | TiagoTiago, im not on auto update :P | 17:08 |
| PhonicUK | I can still use the jailbreak | 17:08 |
| TiagoTiago | ah, goood | 17:08 |
| PhonicUK | but i cant play online without updating | 17:08 |
| TiagoTiago | oh, that sucks | 17:08 |
| lindi- | just setup your own server :) | 17:09 |
| TiagoTiago | any way to trick the servers into thinking you are running a later firmware, or somehow dualboot the PS# with the new and the old firmwares? | 17:09 |
| PhonicUK | yes there are ways | 17:09 |
| TiagoTiago | PS3* | 17:09 |
| MNZ | lindi-, source code of psfreedom at http://kakaroto.homelinux.net/ | 17:09 |
| TiagoTiago | too risky? | 17:09 |
| PhonicUK | infact all you actually need to do is change your DNS settings | 17:09 |
| TiagoTiago | then why the fuss? | 17:10 |
| PhonicUK | AFAIK sony can tell who is using it | 17:10 |
| TiagoTiago | and they are threatening to cancel the accounts of those that don't update? | 17:11 |
| lindi- | MNZ: thanks! | 17:12 |
| rmrfchik | Your project registration for garage has been approved. | 17:12 |
| alterego | Seems kind of strange writing a formatter to output NMEA from Qt's Geo Position module. | 17:13 |
| PhonicUK | not that i know of | 17:13 |
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| zap | libsmpeg0 is broken too :( | 17:17 |
| zap | extras repository is full of badly formed packages, unfortunately | 17:17 |
| zap | much worse than it was in 4.x | 17:17 |
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| djszapi | Because I can see commits on the commit related mailing list of the maemo project ? But yeah, those ones happened not that lately. | 17:18 |
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| zap | Anybody got NFS to work on N900? It works flawlessly on N810, but mounting locks up on N900 | 17:25 |
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| zap | hmm, I had to install nfs-common for it to work. Strange behavior | 17:31 |
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| haj | thats not especially strange is it? you need the portmapper.. | 17:36 |
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| MNZ | which, if any, kernel modules are closed source/nokia specific? | 17:48 |
| Termana | MNZ, there are no closed source kernel modules | 17:49 |
| MNZ | It's not allowed by the GPL, but aren't there even nokia binary blobs of any sort? | 17:49 |
| alterego | Not in the kernel | 17:50 |
| lindi- | MNZ: the license of psfreedom seems to be incompatible with GPLv2 hmm | 17:50 |
| MNZ | lindi-, AFAIK psfreedom is under GPLv3, and I'd imagine that's compatible with GPLv2 | 17:51 |
| lindi- | MNZ: GPLv3 is not compatible with GPLv2 | 17:51 |
| lindi- | MNZ: http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html has a compatibility matrix | 17:51 |
| MNZ | lindi-, heh, I never knew that | 17:53 |
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| MNZ | though it would still be compatible with stuff that's licensed as 'GPL version 2 or later' I guess | 17:53 |
| lindi- | MNZ: however, GPLv3 is compatible with apache v2, GPLv2 wasn't | 17:54 |
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| lindi- | MNZ: yes but linux is GPLv2 | 17:54 |
| MNZ | lindi-, meh, it's a jailbreak, it's already pretty illegal, I guess KaKaRoTo doesn't real bother that it's not compatible with the kernel's license ;) | 17:55 |
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| ieatlint | i think linux is GPLv2 or later | 17:56 |
| ieatlint | so you can use GPLv3 at your discretion | 17:57 |
| lindi- | ieatlint: no it isn't | 17:57 |
| ieatlint | ah, indeed | 17:57 |
| ieatlint | just looked | 17:57 |
| MNZ | I recall quite clearly that there was a bunch of name-calling between the GPL guys and Linus when GPLv3 came out | 17:58 |
| MNZ | he doesn't like v3 | 17:58 |
| lindi- | MNZ: bit moot point since it isn't up to him though | 17:58 |
| lindi- | MNZ: anyways, if it's illegal then it probably shouldn't be promoted here | 17:59 |
| MNZ | lindi-, I believe the kernel license is actually up to Linus | 17:59 |
| MNZ | and psfreedom... well, I dunno. I'm just an innocent bystander :D | 18:00 |
| lindi- | MNZ: there are quite many copyright holders that all need to agree | 18:00 |
| tekojo | MNZ: actually it's up to everyone who contributed | 18:00 |
| lindi- | MNZ: relicensing is not impossible but might take a few years | 18:01 |
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| hrw | enough is enough. | 18:04 |
| hrw | I recreated apmefo UI from scratch - now it works in portrait | 18:04 |
| * MNZ cheers hrw on! | 18:05 | |
| kerio | MNZ: less cheering more... well, you know | 18:06 |
| MNZ | XD | 18:06 |
| MNZ | well, I'm at a fork in the road | 18:06 |
| kerio | (seriously though, any progress? did you make something work?) | 18:06 |
| MNZ | it's either that I've just wasted about 2 days, or that I'm on the brink of something epic | 18:06 |
| TiagoTiago | doea ppmefo also allows for subfolders? | 18:07 |
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| MNZ | kerio, knowing nokia, I think I'm on the brink of something epic. But if I am, then I'm really going to hate nokia quite a bit. I'm not sure what to wish for haha | 18:09 |
| TiagoTiago | lol | 18:09 |
| kerio | MNZ: how epic? | 18:09 |
| kerio | epic like "96 hours of music reproduction"? | 18:10 |
| MNZ | all video/audio on the DSP, a separate processor really. But then again I *think* that's already happening, except I can't tell where/how/when data leaves from the cpu to the DSP. But it seems we already use the DSP for image processing, so one would think they already do audio/video..... | 18:11 |
| MNZ | so yeah, it will be really embarrassing when/if I find out it's already being used | 18:11 |
| MNZ | (which I think it is :D) | 18:11 |
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| TiagoTiago | will that make youtube less jumpy? | 18:11 |
| MNZ | TiagoTiago, youtube is a completely different story and completely out of my hands, and nokia's hands | 18:12 |
| TiagoTiago | :( | 18:12 |
| kerio | youtube supports html5 on some videos | 18:13 |
| kerio | i mean, HTML5's <video> tag | 18:13 |
| kerio | with browser support, you could make that go through the DSP too | 18:13 |
| hrw | what you people use to make a grab in portrait mode? | 18:14 |
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| kerio | hrw: a what in the where now | 18:14 |
| lcuk | RT: @PeterMeeGo Got an #N900? Let me know how you use multitasking. Do you keep the dashboard clean or messy? http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=61869 - https://twitter.com/PeterMeeGo/status/23243718531 | 18:15 |
| hrw | screenshot-tool helped | 18:15 |
| kerio | clean! | 18:15 |
| kerio | i always leave stuff closed | 18:15 |
| lcuk | dont shout here | 18:15 |
| lcuk | go and shout in the thread | 18:15 |
| kerio | the hell if i'm going anywhere near TMO | 18:15 |
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| hrw | http://marcin.juszkiewicz.com.pl/download/screenshots/apmefo-portrait.png - looks good? | 18:15 |
| lcuk | kerio, :| now or I put you on /ignore :P | 18:16 |
| kerio | ok, :| | 18:16 |
| lcuk | hrw, whats this for? | 18:16 |
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| lcuk | cos that dialog looks sweet | 18:16 |
| kerio | it's ApMeFo in portrait mode | 18:16 |
| hrw | kerio: apmefo in portrait | 18:17 |
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| lcuk | sigh | 18:17 |
| hrw | s/kerio/lcuk | 18:17 |
| lcuk | apmefo? | 18:17 |
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| kerio | program that lets you put programs in folders in the app menu | 18:17 |
| hrw | lcuk: author does not provided full sources for app so I started hacking | 18:17 |
| lcuk | awesome | 18:17 |
| lcuk | somewhere around I believe there is a portrait mode app launcher | 18:18 |
| lcuk | hrw, it certainly looks good | 18:18 |
| hrw | lcuk: looks better then was | 18:18 |
| crashanddie | lcuk: is that crowdsourcing from Peter a way to know if they need to keep multitasking or pull a sony and start removing features as they go along? | 18:19 |
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| lcuk | crashanddie, how should I know, but people complain theres no nokia interaction, and now Peter is there interacting | 18:19 |
| lcuk | don't miss the oportunity and give as much feedback as possible to show its worthwhile | 18:19 |
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| th3hate | anyone tried that browser that comes with quickflickr? | 18:21 |
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| lcuk | th3hate, have you? | 18:22 |
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| th3hate | lcuk, yes it much better than microB. Wonder if anyone can extract the browser out of quickflickr. check this post: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=61847 | 18:24 |
| TiagoTiago | talking about microB, does any of you know where i can get a binary of microB ported to Windows? | 18:25 |
| ShadowJK | lol? | 18:26 |
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| TiagoTiago | after having got used to it in the N900, somtimes i feel like browsing with it's simpleness on my desktop | 18:26 |
| lcuk | th3hate, its not a full browser, its the normal qtquick one afaik so go grab it add the extra bits? | 18:26 |
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| th3hate | lcuk, only if you tell me how to :P | 18:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer | hrw: how will you manage the hw-kbd pivot for entering e.g. folder names to apmefo? | 18:29 |
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| hrw | DocScrutinizer: entering I do in landscape | 18:30 |
| hrw | DocScrutinizer: sorting is more useful in portrait | 18:30 |
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| ccooke | Okay. Today, I am *almost* getting full use from my n900... | 18:33 |
| TiagoTiago | what do yo mean by full use? | 18:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer | dynamohum | 18:34 |
| kerio | 100%cpu? | 18:34 |
| ccooke | It is currently taped to the window of the holiday cottage I'm sharing with my wife and two friends. It's providing us a mobile hotspot with a 3.5g connection | 18:34 |
| kerio | i get that a lot | 18:34 |
| kerio | haha what | 18:34 |
| TiagoTiago | lol | 18:34 |
| kerio | that's not even close to the maximum | 18:34 |
| ccooke | It's also got bluetooth enabled, connected to my headset (so I can still make and receive calls) | 18:34 |
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| lcuk | ccooke, get it taking timelapse hdr photos | 18:35 |
| TiagoTiago | you walk to the window and tap on the glass? | 18:35 |
| ccooke | and, meanwhile, it is taking a timelapse photograph of the tide | 18:35 |
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| kerio | ccooke: now you're talking boy | 18:35 |
| kerio | TiagoTiago: huh? | 18:35 |
| kerio | lrn to HFP | 18:35 |
| ccooke | We're on Anglesey, and the camera is pointing at the channel between here and Holy Island | 18:35 |
| lcuk | ccooke, o_O | 18:35 |
| TiagoTiago | oh | 18:35 |
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| ccooke | now: Since having bluetooth enabled cuts bandwidth for wifi, does anyone know how to enable and disable bluetooth from the command line? :-) | 18:36 |
| kerio | ccooke: meh, you still won't get full with a 3g connection | 18:36 |
| TiagoTiago | you still need to have it wired to a big screen and play video games on it with multiple people, a couple with Dualshock# and a couple with Wiimotes | 18:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | livestreams!! | 18:36 |
| ccooke | kerio: 3.5g | 18:36 |
| TiagoTiago | Dualshock3* | 18:37 |
| kerio | still 10.5 vs 54 | 18:37 |
| ccooke | kerio: I've had 335kB/s with three other people doing ssh+web. That is more than enough. | 18:37 |
| kerio | and yeah, when i say 3g i kinda always mean 3.5 | 18:37 |
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| kerio | i know, i mean that bluetooth is not an issue here | 18:37 |
| kerio | :) | 18:37 |
| ccooke | hell, there isn't even supposed to *be* a 3g signal here :-) | 18:37 |
| kerio | also nerds | 18:37 |
| ccooke | kerio: running the cell radio, bluetooth and wifi, though... | 18:38 |
| kerio | ccooke: huh | 18:38 |
| TiagoTiago | all my Nokia phones have had great signal, usually even getting signal in places where people say there isn't signal | 18:38 |
| TiagoTiago | you should probably keep an eye on battery level | 18:38 |
| kerio | you won't get full bandwidth via wifi anyway | 18:38 |
| ccooke | TiagoTiago: yeah, but in this case I'm going by the official vodafone network map :-) | 18:38 |
| pog | I see there is "easydebian" but can serverpackages not be installed from debian ARM Repositories? | 18:38 |
| TiagoTiago | the N900 is a guzzler when at full throtle | 18:38 |
| kerio | and the cellmo is another antenna, afaik | 18:38 |
| ccooke | TiagoTiago: It's plugged in. | 18:39 |
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| DocScrutinizer | antenna?? | 18:39 |
| TiagoTiago | ah, good | 18:39 |
| ccooke | TiagoTiago: I trailed an extension cable onto the top of the window :-) | 18:39 |
| TiagoTiago | does the charger cable works as an atenna for any of the radios? | 18:39 |
| ccooke | no | 18:39 |
| kerio | the fm one | 18:40 |
| kerio | stream some music! | 18:40 |
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| FrieT | a guzzler huh?;D | 18:41 |
| kerio | how did you tape it? | 18:41 |
| FrieT | i have yet to go over 700mA ! | 18:41 |
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| FrieT | seriously now, that's even more than 15 minutes of batterylife :p | 18:42 |
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| kerio | do you have a boombox there? | 18:42 |
| FrieT | 15 minutes ought to be enough for anybody;D | 18:42 |
| kerio | or something with a FM radio | 18:42 |
| TiagoTiago | I somtimes get to low battery warning in less than 4 hours, i would expect it to last at least like 8 hours | 18:42 |
| FrieT | TiagoTiago: if you use it as a computer, there's no way you'll make it do 8 hours, no. | 18:43 |
| FrieT | battery is too flimsy | 18:43 |
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| SpeedEvil | I've only had 4 hours when doing 3G | 18:43 |
| kerio | FrieT: my laptop does 8 hours | 18:43 |
| SpeedEvil | large data interactive stuff | 18:43 |
| FrieT | kerio: your laptop's battery is 234 as large as n900 | 18:43 |
| FrieT | let alone n900's tiny battery:P | 18:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Power_Consumption | 18:44 |
| dr34m | ive just received my nokia n900 back from nokia :) | 18:44 |
| SpeedEvil | :) | 18:44 |
| dr34m | brand new. | 18:44 |
| dr34m | they changed it :) | 18:44 |
| TiagoTiago | how long did it take? | 18:45 |
| dr34m | totally 6 weeks. | 18:45 |
| crashanddie | djeezus | 18:45 |
| FrieT | i have mine insured. | 18:45 |
| FrieT | against coffeespills, drops, yada yada | 18:45 |
| TiagoTiago | 6 weeks without your precious? that gotta hurt | 18:45 |
| dr34m | i brought it back to phone shop and they send it to some repairshop | 18:45 |
| FrieT | yeah | 18:45 |
| dr34m | after being unable to fix it they send to nokia | 18:45 |
| FrieT | that'dhurt | 18:45 |
| E0x | 3g is a dragon | 18:45 |
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| DocScrutinizer | FrieT: It did like 12h continuous usage as a 'computer' for me | 18:45 |
| kerio | i'd just get a Nokia Care | 18:46 |
| kerio | in fact, i should call them | 18:46 |
| TiagoTiago | how much does that type of insurance cost? | 18:46 |
| FrieT | DocScrutinizer: uh, hm? | 18:46 |
| kerio | my usb port is fucked up since about a month now | 18:46 |
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| TiagoTiago | and does it cover unexplained b ricking? | 18:46 |
| FrieT | TiagoTiago: no, but it does cover spilling caffeine | 18:46 |
| FrieT | so seriously | 18:46 |
| FrieT | instead of unxplained brick | 18:46 |
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| FrieT | just drop the thing | 18:46 |
| kerio | oh, covers all kind of damage | 18:47 |
| kerio | cool | 18:47 |
| FrieT | yeah | 18:47 |
| FrieT | apart from fraud | 18:47 |
| kerio | screen gets scratched, throw it on the ground and ask for a replacement? | 18:47 |
| FrieT | yesh | 18:47 |
| TiagoTiago | you should make one of those videos showing how though the N900 is, but only release it under a pseudonym and like a month or so after you get your replacement | 18:47 |
| FrieT | hahahah | 18:47 |
| FrieT | does it blend? | 18:47 |
| FrieT | :)) | 18:47 |
| pog | I use it as a server at the moment, and i have it on the powersupply :-) Makes a nice server. | 18:47 |
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| TiagoTiago | tough* | 18:47 |
| TiagoTiago | lol | 18:48 |
| TiagoTiago | would be fun to have one transmitting FM with a radio next to the blender | 18:48 |
| FrieT | nah i'll use it to test MNZ's audio stuff:) | 18:48 |
| FrieT | if i blast its speakers, too bad:P | 18:48 |
| MNZ | FrieT, ;) | 18:48 |
| FrieT | :) | 18:48 |
| kerio | how much time will i have to wait, if i go to an official nokia care? | 18:49 |
| pog | Im just wondring weather non GUI Software works out of the box from ARM-Debian repositories? | 18:49 |
| FrieT | pog: if libraries are OK, it should | 18:49 |
| microlith | a good amount should | 18:49 |
| TiagoTiago | i wonder when they will make a phone/device where the screen is actually a speaker, it vibrates to make sounds, kinda like those shower speakers you stick tot he glass of the stall | 18:49 |
| pog | os I can try, thanks. | 18:49 |
| FrieT | TiagoTiago: BRRRR that'd suck | 18:49 |
| FrieT | on a phone that is | 18:49 |
| TiagoTiago | really? couldn't they design it so it wouldn't? | 18:50 |
| FrieT | imagine talking to that | 18:50 |
| FrieT | your cheeck being all bzzzzz | 18:50 |
| FrieT | :p | 18:50 |
| TiagoTiago | lol | 18:50 |
| TiagoTiago | it would be perfect for tactile feedback for touchscreen | 18:50 |
| FrieT | MNZ: can i recompile the mail client from source on the n900 itself? | 18:50 |
| FrieT | or do i need scratchbox due to lack of space? | 18:50 |
| pog | I read that it's easier to cross compile from a PC | 18:51 |
| FrieT | TiagoTiago: hmmmnah. tactile feedback is over and underrated. I don't care for tactile feedback with a stylus, but nothing can replace a proper keyboard eiter | 18:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | TiagoTiago: taktile feedback implemented POC long ago | 18:51 |
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| TiagoTiago | i mean it would buzz on your finger when you pressed hard enough | 18:51 |
| FrieT | pog: yeah i figure.. i just need to get a certain commit installed | 18:51 |
| pog | there are more development tools on PC side. | 18:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | though not for speaker purpose | 18:51 |
| MNZ | FrieT, no idea, but #maemo should know | 18:51 |
| FrieT | hmmm | 18:51 |
| pog | but you certainly can compile on N900 | 18:51 |
| FrieT | yes i should consider asking in #maemo | 18:52 |
| FrieT | :p | 18:52 |
| FrieT | thing is i'm using zimbra | 18:52 |
| FrieT | and that has a bug:) | 18:52 |
| FrieT | well, the mail app on maemo does | 18:52 |
| lcuk | FrieT, on device compilation of a large autotools using application like modest would require a chroot and much more standard tools than are commonly done | 18:52 |
| FrieT | i found where it got fixed upstream | 18:52 |
| FrieT | but .. not yet. | 18:52 |
| FrieT | not yet in binary form. | 18:52 |
| lcuk | people regularly install things like build-essential to play around with their little dev things | 18:52 |
| FrieT | mmm | 18:53 |
| lcuk | and it supports makefiles and stuff | 18:53 |
| lcuk | but full system app building is more geared for full sdk | 18:53 |
| FrieT | does anyone actually have a running dev environment here willing to roll a binary for me? | 18:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | lcuk: except luke-jr who seems has compiled a complete gentoo natively :-P | 18:53 |
| FrieT | oh boy you're joking?:D | 18:54 |
| lcuk | DocScrutinizer, thats complete new os | 18:54 |
| kerio | pff, from stage3 | 18:54 |
| lcuk | thats not inside maemo | 18:54 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I seem to remember he claimed it finished after some 5 days | 18:54 |
| lcuk | slightly different actually | 18:54 |
| slonopotamus | FrieT: download gentoo stage 3 tarball for armv7 and just chroot into it -> you got sane dev env | 18:54 |
| FrieT | emm does that fit in mydocs? | 18:55 |
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| FrieT | and gentoo.. err | 18:55 |
| FrieT | i need to roll .deb's | 18:55 |
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| FrieT | or not even that | 18:55 |
| kerio | REAL MEN INSTALL GENTOO FROM STAGE0 | 18:55 |
| FrieT | all i need is replace one library:p | 18:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | ""please call back in a week, I'm currently updating my gentoo"" hrhrhrrr | 18:55 |
| kerio | BY WRITING THE BOOTLOADER WITH A SWITCH CONNECTED TO THE HD | 18:56 |
| slonopotamus | kerio: i did that twice :P | 18:56 |
| FrieT | DocScrutinizer: that's why they made distcc:p | 18:56 |
| jpinx-eeepc | kerio: real men trun capslock off :) | 18:56 |
| FrieT | not true | 18:56 |
| kerio | nah, real men only have the capitalized letters | 18:56 |
| FrieT | real men use capslock and hold shift while typing | 18:56 |
| * slonopotamus kicks kerio for capsing | 18:57 | |
| kerio | real men turn caps on and off by POKEing a memory address | 18:57 |
| TiagoTiago | real men shout for real and the computer writes it out of fear | 18:57 |
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| slonopotamus | i thought that kind of stuff is intended to be about chuck norris | 18:58 |
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| TiagoTiago | are you saying ol' Chuck isn't a real man? | 18:59 |
| kerio | chuck norris doesn't have /kick, he has /roundhousekick | 18:59 |
| FrieT | kerio: so you're implying real men use BASIC ? | 18:59 |
| kerio | basic is a kickass language | 19:00 |
| kerio | OOP is for pussies | 19:00 |
| Myrtti | HASKELL FTW | 19:00 |
| FrieT | i remember looping machinecode in a POKE loop in BASIC on the c=64 :p | 19:00 |
| FrieT | didn't have an assembler at that point | 19:00 |
| FrieT | my world changed when i got my first assembler!! | 19:00 |
| FrieT | :) | 19:00 |
| TiagoTiago | i've jsut run "apt-get -f install" and it's scrollign text for a few minutes now, did i screw up? 0.0 | 19:01 |
| FrieT | yes. | 19:01 |
| FrieT | you used debian. | 19:01 |
| FrieT | your loss, you were warned. | 19:01 |
| kerio | lol | 19:01 |
| Myrtti | could be worse. | 19:02 |
| FrieT | they added this part about non-liability into GPL especially for the debian project | 19:02 |
| Myrtti | could be gentoo | 19:02 |
| FrieT | gentoo is not worse | 19:02 |
| FrieT | gentoo never eats your data | 19:02 |
| FrieT | it has to boot up to do that :P | 19:02 |
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| TiagoTiago | lol | 19:03 |
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| Myrtti | ok, I rephrase | 19:03 |
| Myrtti | could be worse, could be something *DERIVED* from Ubuntu | 19:03 |
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| FrieT | oh boy | 19:03 |
| FrieT | actually it could be running something rpath-derived | 19:04 |
| FrieT | worst.hell.ever. | 19:04 |
| slonopotamus | FrieT: what's worse, maemo? | 19:04 |
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| FrieT | na maemo is pretty OK | 19:06 |
| FrieT | apart from its poor choice of audio handling software:P | 19:06 |
| TiagoTiago | what the fuck?! | 19:06 |
| TiagoTiago | the black is chipping off from my right arrow key 0.0 | 19:06 |
| frals | TiagoTiago: i had it come off lots of my keys :p | 19:07 |
| TiagoTiago | lol, eventually i'll have to hit the keys by memory Xp | 19:07 |
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| FrieT | hmmmmm!!! | 19:07 |
| FrieT | or | 19:07 |
| FrieT | drop it | 19:07 |
| FrieT | and claim insurance | 19:08 |
| FrieT | <wanders off> | 19:08 |
| FrieT | ;D | 19:08 |
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| TiagoTiago | the area where it's chipped off is actually much lighter than the regular character of the keys | 19:08 |
| TiagoTiago | lol | 19:08 |
| TiagoTiago | won't they check the status of the device before acepting the contract? | 19:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | Myrtti: \o/ long time no see | 19:09 |
| TiagoTiago | hm, somthing froze the screen while i was installing shit, i still got SSH acess, is there anythign i can do to thaw the screen? | 19:09 |
| hrw | have a nice rest of day | 19:10 |
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| TiagoTiago | :( | 19:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer | TiagoTiago: killall hildon-desktop | 19:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | might help | 19:13 |
| TiagoTiago | ok, i'll try, thanx | 19:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | TiagoTiago: though in your special case I'd suggest a reflash every other day | 19:13 |
| TiagoTiago | lol | 19:13 |
| TiagoTiago | i had this same thing the first time, i don't remember which thing i was installing though | 19:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's most likely not about what you were installing, rather about what you already had installed | 19:15 |
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| TiagoTiago | the window that was in front disapeared, now the terminal is showing, but frozen too :( | 19:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | as installing in itself usually doesn't start any rogue or nasty processes | 19:16 |
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| TiagoTiago | i isntalled fapman and then marked like 160+ things to install and let it isntalling | 19:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | MUHAHAHAHAAAAAAAHAhahaha | 19:16 |
| TiagoTiago | it complained, told me to do apt-get -f install (or that is how i remember, dunno if i remember the command wrong) | 19:16 |
| lcuk | !! | 19:17 |
| * DocScrutinizer hands mega troll gold medal to TiagoTiago | 19:17 | |
| lcuk | not at all DocScrutinizer | 19:17 |
| TiagoTiago | no, i'm not trolling, i'm being honest o.o | 19:17 |
| lcuk | thats simply class | 19:17 |
| TiagoTiago | that command was wrong? | 19:18 |
| lcuk | TiagoTiago, in all seriousness, you need to file a bug against fapman | 19:18 |
| TiagoTiago | or you guys jsut surprized about the number? | 19:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | wtf? installing 160+ apps on a single event? not even my servers do survive such insult | 19:18 |
| lcuk | that it should be checking limits of the device carefully | 19:18 |
| lcuk | either that or you installed something odd from -devel | 19:18 |
| Khertan_Home | why everytime some talk about fapman in my head it s sound like fartham :) | 19:18 |
| lcuk | DocScrutinizer, shush | 19:18 |
| TiagoTiago | i did reflash making /home about 8gigs wide | 19:18 |
| lcuk | Khertan_Home, it sounds a lot worse in english | 19:18 |
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| Khertan_Home | FartHildonApplicationManager | 19:19 |
| lcuk | TiagoTiago, groan | 19:19 |
| Khertan_Home | :) | 19:19 |
| lcuk | DocScrutinizer, installing a bunch of applications is the principle usecase for fapman | 19:19 |
| TiagoTiago | i'm confused.... | 19:19 |
| lcuk | it HAS to get its error checking upto snuff | 19:19 |
| drizztbsd | is there any equalizer for the n900 media player? | 19:19 |
| TiagoTiago | also, doesn't HAM also does it when you restore a backup? | 19:19 |
| drizztbsd | maybe a gstreamer-based equalizer | 19:19 |
| lcuk | drizztbsd, speak to MNZ | 19:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | a bunch != 160+ burning hell and brimstone | 19:20 |
| lcuk | DocScrutinizer, why not? | 19:20 |
| drizztbsd | who is mnz? :) | 19:20 |
| * Khertan_Home is also confused he was thinking that switching from pyqt to pyside was just an matter of modifying import ... but this is not the case | 19:20 | |
| MNZ | drizztbsd, that would be me | 19:20 |
| drizztbsd | MNZ: ok, so? :) | 19:21 |
| MNZ | drizztbsd, long story short, you can get mafw-gst-eq-renderer from the repos (not my work). The other solution is hardware EQ which I'm working on, but no promises | 19:21 |
| TiagoTiago | crap, killing hildon-desktop tooo many times triggered that thingy that thinx it is borked and ofrces a reboot | 19:21 |
| drizztbsd | oh ok | 19:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | lcuk: maybe because not even swap space is large enough to hold the data structures to resolve the dependecies? | 19:21 |
| TiagoTiago | if it was done smratly, it would keep a list stored somewhere, and would do the things one by one | 19:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | TiagoTiago: LOL | 19:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~hail DSME | 19:22 |
| * infobot bows down to DSME and chants, "I'M NOT WORTHY!!" | 19:22 | |
| drizztbsd | uhm I cannot find mafw-gst-eq-renderer neither in extras nor extras-devel | 19:22 |
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| MNZ | drizztbsd, ah sorry, not in repos. https://garage.maemo.org/projects/mafweqrenderer/ | 19:24 |
| MNZ | drizztbsd, see this https://garage.maemo.org/forum/forum.php?forum_id=5824 | 19:24 |
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| drizztbsd | can I use that with default media player? | 19:25 |
| MNZ | drizztbsd, AFAIK yes. | 19:25 |
| Noobmonk3y | does anyone use the Meamo VMware image and esbox? | 19:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | TiagoTiago: (if was done smartly) nope that's the stupid way. For a combo install the appmanager is supposed to check the complete install set and check for cross incompatibilities, giving user a warning and chance to deselect or otherwise solve the issue with conflicting apps any way he likes | 19:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | TiagoTiago: your way would mean app 1 always installs, while app 2 later on alwways fails | 19:26 |
| MNZ | drizztbsd, to be sure try the 'MGR' flavor. Full Disclosure: I haven't got to trying the eq (yet) | 19:26 |
| drizztbsd | ok thanks | 19:26 |
| TiagoTiago | and at that step it runs our of memmory? | 19:26 |
| FrieT | MNZ: make sure to keep me updated when you want to get code tested that may fry speakers:D | 19:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | TiagoTiago: yes | 19:27 |
| TiagoTiago | I see | 19:27 |
| MNZ | FrieT, sure thing. Hopefully want have to do it that way :D | 19:27 |
| * Noobmonk3y pokes a kipper up MohammadAG51 's nose | 19:27 | |
| FrieT | :)) | 19:27 |
| drizztbsd | I attached the AUX IN cable to my car radio this morning :D | 19:29 |
| Appiah | arggh | 19:29 |
| Appiah | I want aux in >_> | 19:29 |
| * frals slaps Noobmonk3y around a bit with a large trout | 19:29 | |
| * Noobmonk3y giggles | 19:29 | |
| gomiam | itas. | 19:30 |
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| Noobmonk3y | afternoon frals | 19:31 |
| frals | ello mate, hows you? | 19:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | drizztbsd: aux cable? take care of gnd loops! | 19:31 |
| FrieT | okayyy | 19:31 |
| FrieT | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8574 | 19:31 |
| povbot | Bug 8574: Subfolders of Zimbra IMAP server not appearing/not available | 19:31 |
| FrieT | ty! | 19:31 |
| drizztbsd | DocScrutinizer: what? | 19:31 |
| TiagoTiago | ko, it now says ig got 41 not fully installed or removed,, any way to fix them all instead of having to remove them one by one? | 19:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | AV GND != USB GND | 19:31 |
| FrieT | could anyone guide me through what the quickest way is to get this one library compiled? | 19:31 |
| FrieT | scratchbox? or is there a faster way? | 19:32 |
| MNZ | pupnik, remember this? http://archive.fosdem.org/2010/schedule/events/emb_dspbridge | 19:32 |
| drizztbsd | DocScrutinizer: so? | 19:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | use a 60Ohm 1:1 audio transformer | 19:32 |
| pupnik | yes MNZ ? | 19:32 |
| MNZ | pupnik, any ideas if this was recorded or posted somewhere? | 19:33 |
| pupnik | i was very tired on sunday | 19:33 |
| drizztbsd | or it will explode? :P | 19:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | drizztbsd: or you'll get crappy sound, humm, noise, and possibly device breakage yeah | 19:34 |
| * ShadowJK gets humm through unconnected headphones | 19:35 | |
| ShadowJK | my house is eivl | 19:35 |
| ShadowJK | evil* | 19:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | drizztbsd: though odds are your car stereo has built in measure to deal with this | 19:35 |
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| DocScrutinizer | drizztbsd: check resistance and voltage from car stereo input GND to general car GND | 19:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | drizztbsd: or simply do not connect to car charger | 19:36 |
| RST38h | mooo, punks | 19:36 |
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| drizztbsd | uhm bad | 19:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | moo nerd | 19:37 |
| * RST38h stabs Doc with a screwdriver | 19:37 | |
| DocScrutinizer | ohnoes, you're ruining the tool, you bastard! | 19:38 |
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| lcuk | hrm, DocScrutinizer given a list of things outputted by a shell command, i want to pipe that into some other unix command and convert the crlf into spaces | 19:41 |
| lcuk | so that: | 19:41 |
| lcuk | one | 19:41 |
| lcuk | two | 19:41 |
| lcuk | three | 19:41 |
| lcuk | becomes | 19:41 |
| lcuk | oone two three | 19:41 |
| Noobmonk3y | :P | 19:42 |
| RST38h | lcuk: xargs | 19:43 |
| lcuk | RST38h, :D | 19:43 |
| lcuk | ta | 19:43 |
| RST38h | you are welcome | 19:43 |
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| kerio | DocScrutinizer: wait, what | 19:46 |
| drizztbsd | DocScrutinizer: if I have 0 ohm and 0 volts between my general gnd and aux gnd, i'm ok? | 19:46 |
| kerio | our car has a aux port | 19:47 |
| drizztbsd | i have a fiesta lol | 19:47 |
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| kerio | i trust M-B | 19:47 |
| drizztbsd | with default radio :) | 19:47 |
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| drizztbsd | i go to home, bye | 19:51 |
| Chibi-Taiga | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wNwnwo68VcI&feature=player_embedded | 19:52 |
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| DocScrutinizer | drizztbsd: nope, that's exactly what gives you headache | 19:52 |
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| * Chibi-Taiga -< MPClassic >-< [HorribleSubs] Bleach - 287 [720p].mkv >-< Playtime 03:06 of 24:04 @ ~198.35KB/s (279.71MB) >-< ( N/A ) >- | 19:55 | |
| Chibi-Taiga | yaya bleach filler | 19:55 |
| Chibi-Taiga | >_> | 19:55 |
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| Chibi-Taiga | yay* | 19:55 |
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| SWFu | anyone give me a clue to why this is happening? umount: cannot umount /media/mmc1: Invalid argument | 20:01 |
| tank-man | maybe its in use | 20:01 |
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| SpeedEvil | maybe it's not mounted | 20:05 |
| vanadismobile | hi | 20:05 |
| vanadismobile | anybody tried PSFreedom on N900? | 20:05 |
| SpeedEvil | The author probably has, for one. | 20:07 |
| * SpeedEvil forgets who it was. | 20:07 | |
| SpeedEvil | Oh | 20:07 |
| SpeedEvil | MNZ: ? | 20:07 |
| MNZ | no | 20:07 |
| MNZ | KaKaRoTo, | 20:07 |
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| SpeedEvil | ah. | 20:07 |
| SpeedEvil | Sorry. | 20:07 |
| MNZ | np | 20:08 |
| vanadismobile | kk | 20:08 |
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| MNZ | vanadismobile, for the record though, a bunch of people have tried it and it's confirmed to work. You need to have firmware version 3.41 though. See http://kakaroto.homelinux.net/ | 20:09 |
| vanadismobile | kthx | 20:09 |
| tank-man | works for n800 too | 20:09 |
| vanadismobile | my brother has a ps3, gonna try it next time | 20:10 |
| luke-jr | I'm back | 20:10 |
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| lcuk | Jaffa, well the intent is to solicit some input on the feasiblity first, which is ongoing. its not anything new and something I tried to bring up at the last meeting until all talk of growth development was poopood. it certainly looks like there are some people available and time to do things and I wonder whether its possible to actually try something different | 20:16 |
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| Noobmonk3y | how do i create a new "user" on the n900? | 20:18 |
| Noobmonk3y | ie i want a user called user to connect to via esbox/etc | 20:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Noobmonk3y: eh? | 20:19 |
| mgedmin | the n900 has a user called 'user' predefined | 20:19 |
| Noobmonk3y | ahaaaa | 20:19 |
| Noobmonk3y | can i reset the password or find it out? | 20:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | Noobmonk3y: isn't there a user called user ? | 20:19 |
| mgedmin | by default the account is locked and has no password | 20:19 |
| Noobmonk3y | DocScrutinizer, wouldnt have a clue, thats why i ask you clever people! | 20:20 |
| mgedmin | you can set a password to it with becoming rood and running 'passwd user' | 20:20 |
| mgedmin | better yet, unlock the account and upload a ssh key | 20:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | Noobmonk3y: reset 'user' password? root; passwd user | 20:20 |
| Noobmonk3y | cheers mgedmin! tried passwd, and succeeded in changing my root password, lol | 20:20 |
| Jaffa | lcuk: It seems odd to be discussing it with individuals though | 20:20 |
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| Jaffa | lcuk: Especially since the paid team seem to have no time :( | 20:21 |
| lcuk | Jaffa, not really | 20:21 |
| lcuk | i talk to many people | 20:21 |
| lcuk | i talked about it in here earlier | 20:21 |
| crashanddie | Every now and then | 20:21 |
| crashanddie | I'm ashamed of the things I write | 20:21 |
| crashanddie | [0-9]\{4\}_[0-9]\{2\}_[0-9]\{2\}\.v_[0-9]\+_[0-9]\+_[0-9]\+_b\?[0-9]\+\(\?:system\|_\|[a-z]\+\)\+\(\?:bin\|lib\)_\(\?:[0-9]\{2\}\|app\)\.tar\.bz2 | 20:21 |
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| * DocScrutinizer takes a few pills to survive that | 20:21 | |
| Jaffa | crashanddie: backup path parsing? | 20:21 |
| * joga makes a mental replace operation | 20:21 | |
| lcuk | Jaffa, i just sent a mail off with some notes in it and a discussion started | 20:22 |
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| MNZ | crashanddie, how about replacing all those '[0-9]' with '\d' ? | 20:23 |
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| crashanddie | grep doesn't take it | 20:23 |
| Jaffa | crashanddie: first part is yyyy_MM_dd fairly obviously (though the day & month part of it could be tightened up) | 20:23 |
| crashanddie | MNZ: I wrote it nicely in a regex editor, now I have to junk it | 20:23 |
| mgedmin | ah, the fun of multiple incompatible regex dialects | 20:24 |
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| mgedmin | I'm a regex editor skeptic myself | 20:24 |
| crashanddie | This was it originally: (\d{4}_\d{2}_\d{2})\.v_(\d_\d_\d_\d)(?:_|system|([a-z]+))+(bin|lib)_(\d{2}|app)\.tar\.bz2 | 20:24 |
| MNZ | crashanddie, enable perl regexp, grep -P | 20:24 |
| crashanddie | MNZ: NOW HE TELLS ME? | 20:24 |
| MNZ | :) | 20:24 |
| crashanddie | anyway | 20:24 |
| crashanddie | I'm out, going home, comitting everything to git repo (I love having a local gitorious server) | 20:25 |
| mgedmin | (busybox grep has no -P) | 20:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | fsck messybox, get decent tools | 20:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer | messybox isn't meant to be used interactively | 20:26 |
| Chibi-Taiga | must say , n900 is bad at connecting to pc | 20:26 |
| microlith | how are you trying to connect it? | 20:27 |
| crashanddie | feck it, weather is too bad, leaving all the computers at work | 20:27 |
| Chibi-Taiga | just with the usb cable | 20:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | no, *you* are bad at connecting N900 to PC | 20:27 |
| crashanddie | see you tomorrow guys | 20:27 |
| MNZ | crashanddie, c ya | 20:27 |
| microlith | Chibi-Taiga: Ah, you're probably trying to use the Nokia PC suite junk | 20:27 |
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| lcuk | Jaffa, can you round up some devs to see about implementing some of the hildon brainstorm options? | 20:28 |
| Chibi-Taiga | both options has troubles | 20:28 |
| FrieT | hmmm any way to get my SMS messages from symbian s60r3 onto maemo? | 20:28 |
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| FrieT | copy to sim is no option, there's too many of em | 20:29 |
| lcuk | because thats lacking from the maemo.org team as I see it broken down | 20:29 |
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| lcuk | and something community is very good at | 20:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | there's wifi (simple as milk), modem tethering, ass rage mode, and usb networking. For all of that there are pretty detailed wikipages | 20:29 |
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| lcuk | especially considering Mark Shuttleworth is actively telling people not to do, we should be finding and utilising all the dev help we can | 20:30 |
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| frals | mark who? | 20:32 |
| lcuk | ( see this for sillyness https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~james-w/indicator-applet/messages-icons/+merge/5229 ) | 20:32 |
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| lcuk | ubuntu guy | 20:32 |
| lcuk | telling a dev he would rather he not touch the code and learn gimp instead | 20:32 |
| * lcuk facepalmed at that | 20:32 | |
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| DocScrutinizer | ""I'm not interested in the prototype! You got a sketch of that?"" | 20:34 |
| * MohammadAG51 curses at bug 10752 | 20:34 | |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10752 segfault with PyQt + hildon | 20:34 |
| lcuk | Jaffa, to have a chance with community dev and ssu down the line we need to get the principles in place now, and MohammadAG51's start amongst other lesser known hildon hacking is extremely useful on this | 20:35 |
| lcuk | getting more people onboard and a solid verifiable git repo and processes is important | 20:35 |
| lcuk | making use of all the maemo.org facilities of garage should be the done thing really ;) | 20:35 |
| MohammadAG51 | i'm restarting the repository btw | 20:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | lcuk: I want matan's HDM-extensions! | 20:36 |
| lcuk | yes DocScrutinizer his keyboard patch is cool! | 20:36 |
| lcuk | if I am thinking of the right one | 20:36 |
| MohammadAG51 | modified-hildon-desktop? | 20:36 |
| lcuk | i think so | 20:36 |
| MohammadAG51 | i love those :p | 20:36 |
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| MohammadAG51 | hmm | 20:37 |
| MohammadAG51 | infobot, seen Matan | 20:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | ^BS works like a real tab on a real desktop | 20:37 |
| infobot | matan <n=matan@80.74.115.203> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 222d 2h 34m 29s ago, saying: 'GeneralAntilles: What?'. | 20:37 |
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| MohammadAG51 | hmm, less than a year, there's hope | 20:37 |
| lcuk | haha | 20:37 |
| MohammadAG51 | 222d, what a coincidence :p | 20:37 |
| * MohammadAG51 imports hildon and watches the interpreter segfault | 20:38 | |
| MohammadAG51 | excuse my language, how the fuck does noobmonk3y import it | 20:38 |
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| frals | "If we import hildon after creating the QApplication object, it does not crash | 20:38 |
| frals | and apparently is able to enter the Qt main loop calling exec_ method. | 20:38 |
| frals | " | 20:38 |
| frals | ? | 20:38 |
| lcuk | he uses a pair of trout as spreaders | 20:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://my.arava.co.il/~matan/repo/Modified_Hildon_Desktop.html for the logs | 20:38 |
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| MohammadAG51 | frals, i did that, I think | 20:39 |
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| frals | show code then ;) | 20:39 |
| MohammadAG51 | i took the take_ss code from fmms | 20:39 |
| MohammadAG51 | then tied it to a button | 20:39 |
| MohammadAG51 | when clicking that, the app segfaults | 20:39 |
| frals | (show code) | 20:39 |
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| frals | ^^ | 20:40 |
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| sp3000 | man I hate perl | 20:41 |
| MohammadAG51 | nice, browserd crashed | 20:41 |
| MNZ | sp3000, and perl hates you | 20:41 |
| sp3000 | I know it does | 20:41 |
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| tobis87 | Anyone brave enough to test swap encryption with overlaying compcache? Here is the modification done to the bootscript: http://pastebin.com/DQzG1WVJ and here are all required files, including src: http://rapidshare.com/files/417672221/crypto.tar.gz | 20:42 |
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| MohammadAG51 | rapidshare? | 20:43 |
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| tobis87 | i don't have another way to host it, but it also includes src if you don't trust it. | 20:44 |
| MohammadAG51 | nah I don't have trust issues with anyone :P | 20:44 |
| lcuk | tobis87, i tried wget'ing the source | 20:44 |
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| lcuk | but it gave me some stupid html stuff | 20:44 |
| MohammadAG51 | you can't wget from rs :p | 20:44 |
| MohammadAG51 | You need a premium account for that | 20:45 |
| MohammadAG51 | open in the browser, hit free user, wait 60 seconds, download using cookie | 20:45 |
| tobis87 | I first wanted to put it on mediafire, but it is somehow down | 20:45 |
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| tobis87 | The modules are against the stock kernel. | 20:46 |
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| lcuk | closed your pm MohammadAG51 | 20:47 |
| jophish | Hi all! | 20:48 |
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| MNZ | hello! | 20:48 |
| jophish | I was here yesterday with a problem about getting dun working | 20:48 |
| jophish | and I'm here now to say that all is well | 20:48 |
| MohammadAG51 | lcuk, capiche | 20:48 |
| jophish | IT's going great | 20:48 |
| jophish | thanks for the help, unremembered nicks | 20:48 |
| * lcuk reopens it now | 20:49 | |
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| Chibi-Taiga | about ApMeFo how do i add apps ? | 20:51 |
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| Chibi-Taiga | by add app i dont see any apps | 20:52 |
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| Chibi-Taiga | anyone can help me ? | 20:58 |
| lcuk | Chibi-Taiga, have you got any new ones to add | 20:59 |
| lcuk | or are they already all in use | 20:59 |
| * Noobmonk3y returns... | 21:00 | |
| lcuk | in other menus.. | 21:00 |
| tobis87 | lcuk: It uses Twofish now, because it is as fast as Aes with hw accel. and it is stable. Have you tried it? | 21:00 |
| * Noobmonk3y spanks frals with MohammadAG51 | 21:00 | |
| * lcuk doesnt know if thats the reason | 21:00 | |
| lcuk | nope | 21:00 |
| Chibi-Taiga | huh ? i created a folder and want to add applications | 21:00 |
| * frals slaps Noobmonk3y around a bit with a large trout | 21:00 | |
| Chibi-Taiga | but they dont show up in add app | 21:00 |
| lcuk | and i wont try that on main machine just yet tobis87 | 21:00 |
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| lcuk | Chibi-Taiga, IDK | 21:00 |
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| Chibi-Taiga | i follow this gui http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=56844 but i dont know what i do wrong | 21:02 |
| tobis87 | I don't have a problem booting the N900, even without swap, maybe because I don't have any widgets on the desktop. | 21:02 |
| tobis87 | If you have tried it and want to revert the changes, the diffs of the scripts are also inside the src folder and make sure to format the swap partition again (mkswap /dev/mmcblk0p3) | 21:04 |
| FrieT | hmmm | 21:04 |
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| FrieT | how often are binary builds into .deb's being done? | 21:06 |
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| lcuk | RST38h, | 21:09 |
| lcuk | modest was disucssed | 21:09 |
| RST38h | lcuk: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10390 | 21:09 |
| povbot | Bug 10390: Selection of text is impossible once the email is scrolled | 21:09 |
| lcuk | and a patch showing it would be good | 21:09 |
| lcuk | so we need to highlight this bug amongst the open "what can you help with" posts | 21:09 |
| FrieT | anyone? how long before an update in the sources makes it into extras-devel in general? | 21:10 |
| SWFu | Can someone have a look at thisplase and tell me if it's fixable http://pastebin.com/c2CpiGU5 . I'm starting to think there is something up with this sd card | 21:11 |
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| lcuk | FrieT, usually ~60mins | 21:11 |
| lcuk | sometimes less | 21:11 |
| FrieT | hmmmz | 21:11 |
| FrieT | okay weird | 21:12 |
| lcuk | did you get the build OK mails? | 21:12 |
| FrieT | what am i missing? | 21:12 |
| FrieT | nono | 21:12 |
| lcuk | have oyu checked cauldron? | 21:12 |
| FrieT | wait, you mistake me for someone with a clue;) | 21:12 |
| FrieT | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8574 | 21:12 |
| povbot | Bug 8574: Subfolders of Zimbra IMAP server not appearing/not available | 21:12 |
| FrieT | this is what i'm looking for:) | 21:12 |
| FrieT | status is fixed | 21:12 |
| FrieT | wondering where it is | 21:12 |
| lcuk | https://garage.maemo.org/pipermail/extras-cauldron-builds/2010-September/thread.html | 21:12 |
| lcuk | every build through the autobuilder is logged in here | 21:13 |
| lcuk | you should get mails from the autobuilder | 21:13 |
| lcuk | indicating stage success | 21:13 |
| tobis87 | SWFu: Have you tried to repartitionate your n900? | 21:13 |
| lcuk | if you had none, you probably fdidnt click the final button on the upload wizard interface | 21:13 |
| FrieT | lcuk: ty | 21:13 |
| FrieT | hmm | 21:13 |
| SWFu | It's an SD card | 21:13 |
| FrieT | i didn't commit anything there lcuk | 21:13 |
| FrieT | i just seem to hit a bug | 21:13 |
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| FrieT | which has been reported | 21:14 |
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| frals | and was reported fixed in PR1.2 | 21:16 |
| FrieT | yeah | 21:16 |
| FrieT | which is totall yweird | 21:16 |
| FrieT | since i'm running 1.2 obviously | 21:16 |
| frals | so unless you havent updated to PR1.2 you should have it on your device already... | 21:16 |
| FrieT | yet i'm seeing exactly this behaviour | 21:17 |
| FrieT | bla | 21:17 |
| tobis87 | SWFu: Oh, right. I have no idea... You could overwrite the partiton table and mbr of the card with dd bs=512 count=62 if=/dev/zero of=/dev/mmcblk1 | 21:18 |
| lcuk | FrieT, frals whats this about | 21:19 |
| frals | uh my bad FrieT, its not marked as released, hence you would have to build the package yourself, i guess... | 21:19 |
| lcuk | i misunderstood the start i believe | 21:19 |
| frals | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8574 | 21:19 |
| povbot | Bug 8574: Subfolders of Zimbra IMAP server not appearing/not available | 21:19 |
| tobis87 | and recreate the partitions, don't know if the n900 has fdisk. But you could do this on a pc as well. | 21:19 |
| frals | its about that bug lcuk | 21:19 |
| frals | ie status of it | 21:19 |
| FrieT | ouch?:( | 21:19 |
| FrieT | ok darn. | 21:19 |
| frals | it has PR1.2 milestone but not so sure it was released with PR1.2 | 21:19 |
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| FrieT | anyone with a working dev setup able to feed me the necessary binary? :\ | 21:20 |
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| lcuk | hmm | 21:21 |
| lcuk | frals, ping me about this bug in the morning | 21:21 |
| FrieT | would that be friet or frals? | 21:22 |
| frals | query me with link and ill do it lcuk | 21:22 |
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| lcuk | ok frals | 21:23 |
| lcuk | FrieT, will examine what happened to that bug tomorrow for you | 21:24 |
| FrieT | you're my hero :) | 21:24 |
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| alterego | Almost finished implementing the whole of the SiRF NMEA subset | 21:26 |
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| alterego | So at leat any devices that ca use SiRF GPS' should work with my code. | 21:26 |
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| Tuna | ugh flakeyflakey | 21:36 |
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| Tuna | there i go ! :) | 21:40 |
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| FrieT | ok | 21:45 |
| FrieT | the sip client ain't that bad after all; apart from some annoying echo | 21:45 |
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| FrieT | if only we get the PA cpuhog fixed | 21:45 |
| MohammadAG51 | frals, never willa I wank... err, play fps with a controller again :P | 21:47 |
| pupnik | hear hear FrieT | 21:47 |
| FrieT | MohammadAG51: try a joystick | 21:47 |
| FrieT | preferrably a water/lube-proof one </offtopic> | 21:48 |
| pupnik | FrieT: the place to get involved helping PA is meego-arm | 21:48 |
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| FrieT | you mean that's where i can go to shoot everyone working on it so it gets replaced by, say, something sane? | 21:49 |
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| pupnik | I can't comment on the quality of it. Just observing that it uses too much cpu by a factor of 10x | 21:50 |
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| FrieT | mmm *nods* :) | 21:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer | pupnik: how comes you think PA == meego? | 21:55 |
| pupnik | i don't | 21:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | pupnik: au contraire - it seems #meego-arm hasn't bothered at all yet about the cpu hog speaker protection we got in maemo PA | 21:56 |
| pupnik | well that's one place where i think this discussion and any work also belongs | 21:57 |
| pupnik | because now is the time to affect change in the OS, not after it ships | 21:57 |
| MohammadAG51 | FrieT, eh? :P | 21:58 |
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| DocScrutinizer | If I want to get rid of maemo cpu hogs, how can participating in meego help? it's quite evident they don't plan *any* kind of (knowledge/code) backport | 21:58 |
| * luke-jr notes it probably would use less CPU to just do everything in software with ALSA | 21:59 | |
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| DocScrutinizer | and for the changes in meego prior to when it ships: all I ever heard in #meego-meeting and related, also and particularly on asking about if PA etc is a good architecture and whether it'd be worth to re-evaluate and discuss alternatives, was "wait till we ship, then come back with patches" (translates to: fuck off) | 22:01 |
| luke-jr | wow, fail | 22:01 |
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| alterego | DocScrutinizer: that's pretty hilarious | 22:05 |
| alterego | otoh, the october release of MeeGo (1.1?) wont run on any device except N900 and Aava aiui | 22:06 |
| timeless | hey, maep is amazing | 22:07 |
| FrieT | maep ? | 22:07 |
| luke-jr | some program | 22:08 |
| FrieT | if it's amazing i want it! | 22:08 |
| timeless | it's free, just a small download away | 22:08 |
| FrieT | i'd rather yap than download | 22:08 |
| FrieT | what does the prog do?:) | 22:09 |
| timeless | handle gps/maps plus wikipedia integration for location | 22:09 |
| timeless | it also gets direction right, and has a ui that just works | 22:09 |
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| w4rr10r | hello | 22:11 |
| w4rr10r | i've just come thought the website | 22:12 |
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| alterego | Almost ready to start streaming my NMEA telemetry from N900 to my laptop, though I think I'll finish it tomorrow. | 22:14 |
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| w4rr10r | i had n800 a long time ago, then lost it and now bought *my* old one, i'd love to know, how it has been used for that time | 22:14 |
| SpeedEvil | why alrte? | 22:14 |
| SpeedEvil | alterego: | 22:14 |
| alterego | Well, I've been coding for over 12 hours now :P | 22:14 |
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| w4rr10r | can someone tell me, please, where should i look for the most interesting logs? | 22:15 |
| alterego | I'm hoping the 7 NMEA messages I'm implementing are enough | 22:16 |
| alterego | For 3rd party GPS software that is. | 22:16 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer: haha what | 22:16 |
| timeless | /var/log ?? | 22:16 |
| timeless | or perhaps, "the internet" (with your favorite search engine) ?? | 22:16 |
| alterego | GPGGA, GPGLL, GPGSA, GPGSV, GPRMC, GPVTG & GPZDA | 22:17 |
| SpeedEvil | alterego: Ah - GPSd basically | 22:17 |
| alterego | A fun test will be getting my N900 to act as a bluetooth GPS for my N810 :/ | 22:17 |
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| alterego | That was supposed to me a smilie :D | 22:17 |
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| alterego | SpeedEvil: GPSd doesn't work on the N900, this is part of my GPS app, it will log or stream via bluetooth, tcp or udp. | 22:19 |
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| alterego | In various different formats though NMEA is the only one I've implemented so far. | 22:19 |
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| SpeedEvil | alterego: yes - that's what I mean. | 22:20 |
| SpeedEvil | alterego: you're implementing something akin to gpsd | 22:20 |
| alterego | Yeah, | 22:20 |
| SpeedEvil | Indeed - gpsd supports non NMEA gpss. | 22:20 |
| alterego | Well, this is output, not input | 22:21 |
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| alterego | The idea being to use the N900 as a bluetooth GPS (for this specific feature) | 22:21 |
| alterego | My app is a stand alone navigation app, I'm just adding streaming over BT and network to it for giggles. | 22:22 |
| Chibi-Taiga | whats the command in x-terminal as replacement for "dir" | 22:22 |
| joga | ls | 22:22 |
| alterego | Chibi-Taiga: ``ls'' | 22:23 |
| SpeedEvil | yeah - gpsd does that though. | 22:23 |
| alterego | Sure, but not on the N900, | 22:23 |
| SpeedEvil | I mean if you taughg GPSd aboutr how to read from the GPS, wouldn't that 'just work' ? | 22:23 |
| crashanddie_ | Chibi-Taiga, it's really not "a replacement" | 22:23 |
| alterego | and my app will run on anything with Qt Mobility. | 22:23 |
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| joga | yeah "dir" is pretty futile in comparison to ls but so is every other dos/windows shell command :) | 22:24 |
| Chibi-Taiga | k | 22:24 |
| crashanddie_ | prefer the word... "equivalent" | 22:24 |
| luke-jr | alterego: doable | 22:25 |
| luke-jr | alterego: gpsd works on my N900 ;) | 22:25 |
| luke-jr | alterego: I have NMEA working somewhat *without* Maemo | 22:26 |
| alterego | luke-jr: You can use the inbuilt gps chip on the N900 to stream out NMEA through gpsd? | 22:26 |
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| crashanddie_ | MohammadAG, you fraud | 22:27 |
| luke-jr | alterego: yes | 22:28 |
| luke-jr | or NMEA without gpsd | 22:28 |
| alterego | luke-jr: how? | 22:28 |
| luke-jr | alterego: http://luke.dashjr.org/tmp/code/gps3.c | 22:28 |
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| MohammadAG | crashanddie_, gtfo :P | 22:31 |
| alterego | luke-jr: ah yes, did you manage to ascertain the sat info yet? | 22:31 |
| luke-jr | alterego: everything | 22:31 |
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| sevard | omg this bonzi buddy thing is so cool | 22:31 |
| luke-jr | alterego: although the horiz/vert accuracy is "missing" from gpsd for some reason | 22:31 |
| luke-jr | so presumably the NMEA has a bug | 22:31 |
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| alterego | cool, | 22:32 |
| alterego | Do you know if that code will work under MeeGo? | 22:32 |
| luke-jr | I don't know | 22:32 |
| luke-jr | if MeeGo leaves the GPS alone, it should | 22:32 |
| alterego | I'm just wondering if it can work around ofono | 22:32 |
| luke-jr | well, MeeGo also must bring the modem up too | 22:32 |
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| alterego | Yeah, that aspect works, ofono works in MeeGo currently with calls and data | 22:33 |
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| Venemo | calls? | 22:33 |
| Venemo | MeeGo can call now? | 22:33 |
| alterego | Sure | 22:33 |
| Venemo | news to me | 22:34 |
| alterego | It's not working out-of-the box yet, but it has been working. | 22:34 |
| alterego | I think StsKeeps mentioned it | 22:34 |
| Venemo | so, does the MeeGo Handset UX now have a working Phone application? | 22:34 |
| alterego | Kind of yes. | 22:35 |
| alterego | Not sure audio is working yet to decode the call thoguh ;) | 22:35 |
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| Venemo | lol :D | 22:35 |
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| TiagoTiago | hm, finally internet is back | 22:39 |
| Chibi-Taiga | those mafw-playlist how can i copy them ? | 22:39 |
| TiagoTiago | when i run apt-get update it shows a bunch of text and in the end complains about somthing and tells me to run apt-get update to fix it :( | 22:40 |
| Chibi-Taiga | when i ls the mafw... i get numbers 1-5 | 22:40 |
| Chibi-Taiga | what can i do with them | 22:40 |
| crashanddie_ | oh yeah, TiagoTiago, now there's an accurate description... | 22:40 |
| TiagoTiago | ok, sec, firing up xchat on the de vice itself | 22:41 |
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| crashanddie_ | TiagoTiago, no pasting over 3 lines! | 22:41 |
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| Venemo | alterego: this is good news | 22:43 |
| TiagoTiago_ | W: Conflicting distribution: http://repository.maemo.org fremantle-1.2 Release (expected fremantle-1.2 but got ) | 22:43 |
| Venemo | alterego: very good news, actually | 22:43 |
| TiagoTiago_ | missing one line | 22:43 |
| alterego | Venemo: I know :) I can't wait until it all starts working properly :) | 22:43 |
| alterego | Gonna have to start writing some apps to migrate data over from Maemo to MeeGo though | 22:43 |
| TiagoTiago_ | W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems | 22:43 |
| alterego | like my contacts DB etc. | 22:43 |
| TiagoTiago_ | there | 22:44 |
| Venemo | alterego: yeah, Me Go to MeeGo once it is complete | 22:44 |
| TiagoTiago | that after running the exact command it tells me to run to fix the problem | 22:44 |
| Venemo | alterego: we will still have to make both .rpm and .deb packages though... | 22:44 |
| alterego | Indeed, hopefully Qt Creator will deal with that though :) | 22:44 |
| TiagoTiago_ | how can i fix this? | 22:45 |
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| Venemo | alterego: if it' gonna "deal" with it as it deals with Maemo 5 .debs right now... then no thanks :P | 22:46 |
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| alterego | Venemo: well, it's getting better, at least in 2.0.1 I can disable packaging step now :) | 22:47 |
| alterego | I've been factoring some of my code into libs and it can't handle making libs .. | 22:47 |
| Venemo | alterego: yes! that was a big plus in 2.0.1! | 22:47 |
| alterego | Keeps trying to copy a ghost exe into the packaging dir. | 22:47 |
| Venemo | alterego: actually, I requested that feature :) | 22:47 |
| alterego | :) | 22:47 |
| Venemo | alterego: the problem is, I occasionally forget to disable it for new projects | 22:47 |
| alterego | I've not got, RXGeoWidgets which contains my custom widgets to do with geo location, like mapping, compasses, satellite monitoring etc. | 22:48 |
| alterego | And I've got my libRXSupport lib which contains all my Maemo hacks and boiler plate. | 22:48 |
| alterego | s/not/now .. | 22:49 |
| Venemo | alterego: is the stuff in Extras? | 22:49 |
| Chibi-Taiga | how come my sd is write protected ? | 22:49 |
| alterego | No, none of my Columbus stuff is in extras. | 22:49 |
| alterego | I'm still debating publishing to Ovi or making it FOSS | 22:49 |
| alterego | the support lib needs a bit of tidying, and then that can go FOSS | 22:49 |
| alterego | Currently contains: DraggableViewArea, Maemo5Dialog, Maemo5FullScreenButton, Maemo5MainWindow, Maemo5MenuButton | 22:50 |
| alterego | The MainWindow class pulls in the other classes to make a neat MainWindow parent class for maemo apps, allowing you to do swipe to scroll between views (kind of like fcam and the home screen) and also automatically handle fullscreen mode. | 22:51 |
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| Venemo | alterego: hm. sounds good | 22:55 |
| Venemo | alterego: maybe we should have a common library? | 22:55 |
| Arkenoi | Strange. I turned PIN code request on and n900 won't boot until i put sim card into a different phone and turn it off. | 22:56 |
| Venemo | alterego: I mean, I also have some stuff, already in extras though | 22:56 |
| alterego | Yeah, | 22:56 |
| alterego | Well, I'll publish the code and you can have a play with it and let me know what you think. | 22:56 |
| Venemo | alterego: it would be good :) | 22:57 |
| alterego | I'd be more interested in getting feedback from the API perspective before publishing it for mass consumption. | 22:57 |
| alterego | Anyhow, bbl | 22:57 |
| Venemo | alterego: also for other developers it would be more easy to have only one library | 22:57 |
| Venemo | alterego: now I also rolled in my other things to the library | 22:58 |
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| RST38h | Arkenoi: You have got a weird SIM card | 23:00 |
| Arkenoi | RST38h: nothing really special, pretty generic "Green" one with alpha sign on chip contacts, stores up to 12 imsi/ki pairs | 23:01 |
| Arkenoi | works excellent in any phone | 23:02 |
| Arkenoi | but i feel uncomfortable about my key pair not being protected | 23:02 |
| Venemo | alterego: do you feel like checking it out? | 23:02 |
| Venemo | alterego: it still needs work, but it's a good start | 23:02 |
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| RST38h | Arkenoi: but somehow needs a shutdown :) | 23:03 |
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| RST38h | Arkenoi: does this by they way mean you can use the same card with two providers at the same time? | 23:03 |
| RST38h | and if so, how do you switch between imsis? | 23:03 |
| Arkenoi | RST38h: well, it behaves a bit odd in the phone | 23:03 |
| Arkenoi | RST38h: not with n900, i use sim menu for it | 23:03 |
| RST38h | Just use a standard card... | 23:04 |
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| Arkenoi | and the "oddity" is that n900 always resets active key pair to "number 1", so i can use only one number there | 23:04 |
| RST38h | standard, dumb, one-imsi card, preferably NOT from Megafon ;) | 23:04 |
| RST38h | Arkenoi: n900 prolly does not know much about multiple IMSIs and starts by resetting the card | 23:05 |
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| SpeedEvil | And in my case - bending the SIM contacts out means that I realiserd thart I actually have a decent signal in my house | 23:05 |
| Arkenoi | rst38h: i cannot. if i order a standard card i surrender my key info control to cellular operator and cannot ever take it back as modern cards have brute force protection | 23:05 |
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| Arkenoi | rst38h: and my old one-IMSI card is 12 years old , 5V and behaves no good either | 23:06 |
| timeless | how did you manage to get control in the first place? | 23:06 |
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| Arkenoi | i used it for a while but today i had problems with sending SMS so i switched back | 23:06 |
| TiagoTiago | seems somthing is borked with the apt stuff in my N900 :( | 23:07 |
| Arkenoi | timeless, i have a SIM card reader and application that cracks IMSI/Ki pairs out of there | 23:07 |
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| Arkenoi | does not work with most modern cards but lucky me had plenty of old ones | 23:07 |
| timeless | :o | 23:08 |
| RST38h | Arkenoi: ah you crafty enemy of the state | 23:08 |
| Arkenoi | so i just plug the damn thing into USB and wait hour or two for weak crypto to be defeated | 23:09 |
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| Arkenoi | and then i have the keys! | 23:09 |
| FrieT | and then mayhem? | 23:10 |
| RST38h | Arkenoi: Adding support for IMSI switch to N900 is gonna be a feat =) | 23:10 |
| RST38h | But probably worth it, as N900 will the be able to replace those multi-SIM business phones | 23:10 |
| SpeedEvil | It would be awesome. | 23:10 |
| SpeedEvil | But does any provider in the worls actually do multi IMSIs? | 23:11 |
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| Arkenoi | RST38h, there is nothing special about IMSI switch, it is just standard "SIM menu" api present in most phones, the switch itself and menu are implemented in card firmware | 23:11 |
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| RST38h | yes, but n900 cannot run card apps, can it? | 23:11 |
| timeless | the menu stuff is just ugly | 23:11 |
| SpeedEvil | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bluetooth_profile#SIM_Access_Profile_.28SAP.2C_SIM.2C_rSAP.29 | 23:11 |
| SpeedEvil | is what would be nice | 23:11 |
| Arkenoi | it cannot :-( | 23:12 |
| timeless | but it shouldn't be impossible to implement | 23:12 |
| Arkenoi | I guess it is relatively simple as *any* dumb phone supports it | 23:12 |
| TiagoTiago | is the sim card interface int he N900 also hidden behind closed source firmware? | 23:12 |
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| SpeedEvil | Isn't sim menu completely impossible to implement as it's closed firmeare? | 23:12 |
| SpeedEvil | That is - for anyone other than nokia | 23:13 |
| FrieT | hmm | 23:13 |
| timeless | tiago: the phone is hidden behind firmware, yes | 23:13 |
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| TiagoTiago | i mean the actual interface with the card | 23:13 |
| timeless | only at* commands it supports are exposed | 23:13 |
| FrieT | don't nokia test some of the community stuff on their own networks? | 23:13 |
| timeless | friet: eh? | 23:13 |
| trumee | timeless: hey | 23:13 |
| timeless | hi | 23:13 |
| FrieT | how about backdooring it, getting the sources, off ya go? | 23:13 |
| * timeless waves from, um | 23:13 | |
| FrieT | -shrug- | 23:13 |
| FrieT | :) | 23:13 |
| TiagoTiago | like, would one be able to sniff the raw data from those llittle prongs and inject custom bits back? | 23:14 |
| timeless | .. east of warwick | 23:14 |
| * trumee is a guy who always moan about sip bugs in N900 | 23:14 | |
| timeless | friet: some of us work for nokia | 23:14 |
| SpeedEvil | TiagoTiago: You cannot do that. | 23:14 |
| timeless | we don't appreciate suggestions of corporate espionage | 23:14 |
| FrieT | ah well then that sucks | 23:14 |
| SpeedEvil | TiagoTiago: Unless you have hardware. | 23:14 |
| TiagoTiago | I mean with just the N900 itself | 23:15 |
| FrieT | open the sources already!:p | 23:15 |
| trumee | timeless: any update on int-171987 :) | 23:15 |
| SpeedEvil | Open sourced firmware, with nokia actually accepting pushes | 23:15 |
| TiagoTiago | there are stuff they can't because of laws, and stuff they can't because of competitors, and stuff they can't because it isn't theirs | 23:15 |
| timeless | trumee: sorry, i got an email indicating my account was locked | 23:15 |
| TiagoTiago | :( | 23:15 |
| timeless | it happened on the first day of my vacation | 23:16 |
| trumee | timeless: you are on vacation? | 23:16 |
| timeless | i can' do anything until i return :) | 23:16 |
| timeless | yes | 23:16 |
| TiagoTiago | are you getting canned? o.o | 23:16 |
| timeless | hence me waving from warwick | 23:16 |
| trumee | timeless: ah. cool. no worries. | 23:16 |
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| RST38h | Ok, SIM Toolkitrequires direct interface to the SIM card (as in SmartCard interface) | 23:16 |
| RST38h | So, if this can be exposed safely on the N900, SIM apps may be within reach | 23:17 |
| timeless | tiago: there's a mandatory password rotation policy (just add 1) | 23:17 |
| timeless | i rely on password resets instead | 23:17 |
| TiagoTiago | ah | 23:17 |
| timeless | but they only happen after lockout | 23:17 |
| timeless | and i saw this one coming and grinned | 23:17 |
| TiagoTiago | i didn't got an answer, is the actual hardware in the N900 that talks with the SIM protected behind a layer of closed source firmware? | 23:17 |
| timeless | it meant that anyone asking me about the bug tracker on my vacation would @get te answer trumee just got :) | 23:19 |
| timeless | tiago: cellmo is closed | 23:19 |
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| timeless | not absolutely certaimn where simaccess lives | 23:19 |
| TiagoTiago | ah, so it's ont he same side of the fence as the modem ? :( | 23:19 |
| TiagoTiago | oh | 23:19 |
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| timeless | actually, i have absolutely no idea where it lives :) | 23:20 |
| TiagoTiago | ok | 23:20 |
| timeless | but i know where i'd put it :) | 23:20 |
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| TiagoTiago | unknown is better than certainly bad :) | 23:20 |
| lcuk | timeless, you won't get a signal if you put it up there | 23:20 |
| TiagoTiago | lol | 23:21 |
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| RST38h | lcuk: Actuall, he will | 23:22 |
| RST38h | actually | 23:22 |
| RST38h | But BlueTooth communications may become compromised | 23:22 |
| TiagoTiago | can those contacts under the battery be controlled by custom software or they too are behind closed firmware? | 23:22 |
| RST38h | afaik that is a serial port | 23:23 |
| TiagoTiago | i think there is more than one, two types if i'm not mistaken, an old one and a newer one | 23:23 |
| jacekowski | no | 23:25 |
| jacekowski | there is fbus/mbus port directly to rapuyama | 23:25 |
| jacekowski | and serial port directly to rapuyama | 23:25 |
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| jacekowski | as well as serial port for main processor | 23:25 |
| jacekowski | TiagoTiago: and now going to your question | 23:26 |
| jacekowski | 22:17 < TiagoTiago> i didn't got an answer, is the actual hardware in the N900 that talks with the SIM protected behind a layer of closed source firmware? | 23:26 |
| jacekowski | TiagoTiago: n900 have two ARM based processors | 23:26 |
| jacekowski | one, main application processor omap3 | 23:27 |
| jacekowski | which runs linux and manages phone as a whole | 23:27 |
| jacekowski | and second | 23:27 |
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| jacekowski | omap2 - rapuyama which is modem | 23:27 |
| jacekowski | in normal phone rapuyama runs whole phone | 23:27 |
| jacekowski | in n900 rapuyama just communicate with gps and with sim and gsm/3g network | 23:28 |
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| kerio | jacekowski: we really need to hack rapuyama | 23:29 |
| luke-jr | modem is ARM too? | 23:29 |
| TiagoTiago | would it be possible to patch those two serials together so the main processor skisp some steps and talks with rapu? | 23:29 |
| kerio | modem is ARM too | 23:29 |
| kerio | and quite capable | 23:29 |
| RST38h | ok, so where is cellmo in this picture? | 23:29 |
| * luke-jr wonders if modem could replace the main CPU | 23:29 | |
| luke-jr | RST38h: rapuyama/modem = cellmo | 23:29 |
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| jacekowski | no | 23:29 |
| kerio | luke-jr: nah, stuff still has to go through the main cpu | 23:29 |
| RST38h | ok | 23:29 |
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| SpeedEvil | RST38h: The cellmo - rapuyama - is a seperate ARM core - ... | 23:29 |
| SpeedEvil | yeah - that | 23:29 |
| jacekowski | modem have no connection to lcd and emmc | 23:29 |
| kerio | not sure why we *need* a rapuyama, actually | 23:29 |
| RST38h | got it | 23:30 |
| SpeedEvil | kerio: because it's the guts of the cellmo | 23:30 |
| TiagoTiago | so the important stuff can stay hidden | 23:30 |
| SpeedEvil | kerio: It does all the hard-real-time shit. | 23:30 |
| kerio | who cares, we already have a cpu | 23:30 |
| luke-jr | kerio: CPU isn't connected to GPS nor radio | 23:30 |
| kerio | it's just the stupid FCC that wants a separate chip to test because they don't want users to dick around with their crappy network | 23:30 |
| TiagoTiago | i imaigne it would be much easier to reverse engineer and hack if it was in the same processor as the rest of the system | 23:30 |
| SpeedEvil | kerio: It's not. | 23:31 |
| kerio | oh | 23:31 |
| SpeedEvil | kerio: It significantly complicates the software stack if it's on one CPU | 23:31 |
| kerio | but it reduces power consumption and space needed | 23:31 |
| TiagoTiago | ah, not designed with m ultitasking etc in mind? | 23:31 |
| kerio | which lets you use a bigger cpu | 23:31 |
| jacekowski | TiagoTiago: you can open rapuyama firmware in a disassembler | 23:31 |
| SpeedEvil | kerio: It means that you can't simply design the 'smartphone' part of the OS. | 23:31 |
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| kerio | SpeedEvil: phoned | 23:31 |
| TiagoTiago | or rather, the -phone part | 23:32 |
| FrieT | emm what part of "speech goes via PA" is "smartphone"? :\ | 23:32 |
| SpeedEvil | the ass-hat part. | 23:32 |
| kerio | the dumb part | 23:32 |
| jacekowski | emmm | 23:33 |
| jacekowski | do you have to wake up main processor to do dma? | 23:33 |
| SpeedEvil | jacekowski: I believe so. | 23:33 |
| jacekowski | or you can just wake up part responsible for doing dma | 23:33 |
| SpeedEvil | jacekowski: But I've not looked at irt very closely. | 23:33 |
| SpeedEvil | The 'main processor' is a lie. | 23:33 |
| jacekowski | because then it could be possible to have rapuyama running phone | 23:33 |
| SpeedEvil | There are eleventy different little bits. | 23:34 |
| jacekowski | when in some sort of dumbphone mode | 23:34 |
| FrieT | that'd be cool:) | 23:34 |
| FrieT | make its tiny battery last more than 5 hours:) | 23:34 |
| TiagoTiago | while you're at it, also include some facilities to reflash without needing another computer :P | 23:35 |
| FrieT | oh and the screen wipe cloth | 23:35 |
| FrieT | make it bigger! | 23:35 |
| TiagoTiago | lol | 23:35 |
| jacekowski | i wipe screen with my shirt | 23:35 |
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| FrieT | what, i seriously noticed they shrinked that thing compared to the e61 :P | 23:35 |
| kerio | i wipe screen with my hand | 23:35 |
| FrieT | -g- | 23:35 |
| FrieT | i don't wipe my screen | 23:36 |
| jacekowski | and i don't use screen protectors | 23:36 |
| FrieT | i lick it | 23:36 |
| kerio | i do the same with my glasses actually | 23:36 |
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| kerio | which sorta balances out the problem | 23:36 |
| kerio | because i can't tell if it's the screen or my glasses that are dirty | 23:36 |
| jacekowski | i don't use protection at all | 23:36 |
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| kerio | jacekowski: you don't need it huh | 23:36 |
| FrieT | : | 23:36 |
| FrieT | p | 23:36 |
| TiagoTiago | my screen got tiny scrtatches that make me cringe when my nails or the stylus move over them, and i haven't managed to stick the screen gard thingy without lots of bubbles andi think i might have ruined it, it's filled with dust on both sides :( | 23:36 |
| kerio | TiagoTiago: get FrieT's insurance, then throw your n900 from your window | 23:37 |
| FrieT | yup! | 23:37 |
| FrieT | :) | 23:37 |
| TiagoTiago | lol | 23:37 |
| FrieT | actually | 23:37 |
| FrieT | coffee is more reliable | 23:37 |
| FrieT | less weird | 23:37 |
| FrieT | happens all the time | 23:37 |
| FrieT | "i just had to throw it" might not fly well | 23:37 |
| FrieT | although "a truck drove over it" will work | 23:37 |
| TiagoTiago | remember to drop it after it is warm with charge and still plugged int he charger | 23:37 |
| FrieT | ah yes | 23:38 |
| TiagoTiago | i mena, the coffee | 23:38 |
| SpeedEvil | TiagoTiago: I recommend getting 10 protectors from ebay. | 23:38 |
| FrieT | ow:( | 23:38 |
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| SpeedEvil | http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/6X-CLEAR-LCD-SCREEN-PROTECTOR-NOKIA-N900-/280538209916?pt=UK_MobilePhones_MobilePhonesCasesPouches&hash=item4151615e7c | 23:38 |
| SpeedEvil | like that | 23:38 |
| TiagoTiago | do they cover bathroom acidents? | 23:38 |
| FrieT | yes they do | 23:38 |
| FrieT | "it slipped into the toilet" is covered | 23:39 |
| FrieT | provided you don't flush | 23:39 |
| jacekowski | i have insurance from my bank | 23:39 |
| TiagoTiago | say you were playing while you were goin N2 and a moneter sneaked on you and you dropped | 23:39 |
| jacekowski | as freebie to my account | 23:39 |
| jacekowski | and everything is covered | 23:39 |
| TiagoTiago | monhster* | 23:39 |
| TiagoTiago | monster* | 23:39 |
| FrieT | lol | 23:39 |
| FrieT | they cover it unless it's fraudulent | 23:39 |
| TiagoTiago | how can they tell a monster didn't sneak on you while you were going #2? | 23:40 |
| FrieT | so as long as it's not "i dropped it to test the insurance", it's fine | 23:40 |
| FrieT | exactly. | 23:40 |
| FrieT | make sure you don't do that every week and yo'ure fine. | 23:40 |
| TiagoTiago | remember to smear it with some human dung to make it more believeable | 23:40 |
| FrieT | as if they're going to test what species it's from | 23:40 |
| * FrieT rolls eyes | 23:40 | |
| TiagoTiago | lol | 23:40 |
| FrieT | wow, verisign really became superfast since they're taken over by symantec | 23:41 |
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| FrieT | i suppose now they have to virusscan their invoices for 2 weeks before releasing em | 23:41 |
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| FrieT | so anyhow, anyone got bochs running yet? | 23:42 |
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| Jartza | whoa | 23:54 |
| Jartza | tomorrow is the last day of my maemo-course-"pipe" | 23:55 |
| Jartza | 27 days in 4 months | 23:56 |
| Jartza | nice to go home for a while | 23:56 |
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| * Noobmonk3y grumbles | 23:57 | |
| lcuk | whats up there mr Noobmonk3y | 23:58 |
| Noobmonk3y | wine, wine and more wine! | 23:59 |
| lcuk | oh thats an idea | 23:59 |
| Noobmonk3y | hehe | 23:59 |
| Noobmonk3y | pity bacon wine just doesnt work........... | 23:59 |
| kerio | bacon! | 23:59 |
| Noobmonk3y | kerio... true...... | 23:59 |
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