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| crashanddie | this is a two way discussion, no need for the specific nicknaming :P | 00:02 |
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| Venemo | what do you mean crashanddie? | 00:03 |
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| SparFux | Hi! On a mobile phone with maemo installed, can I even install debian there? | 00:07 |
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| kerio | SparFux: on *a* mobile phone? | 00:12 |
| kerio | :) | 00:12 |
| kerio | maemo runs on exactly 1 phone | 00:12 |
| kerio | check out easy debian | 00:12 |
| lcuk | it runs on lots of phones | 00:12 |
| lcuk | a massive amount of phones | 00:12 |
| kerio | huh? | 00:12 |
| lcuk | they just all look similar | 00:12 |
| lcuk | :) | 00:12 |
| kerio | lol | 00:13 |
| kerio | wait, how massive? | 00:13 |
| lcuk | idk | 00:13 |
| SparFux | kerio: Yes. :-) | 00:13 |
| SparFux | kerio: like, on a smartphone for example. | 00:13 |
| lcuk | kerio, but things like this dont come from nowhere http://pininthemap.com/maemo | 00:14 |
| Lynoure | Venemo: seems there is a similar qemu image somewhere installed, and commands for starting it... just well hidden. | 00:14 |
| Venemo | Lynoure: I dunno. Haven't tried it on Linux yet | 00:15 |
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| Lynoure | Venemo: this was an observation, not a question | 00:15 |
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| Venemo | Lynoure: ah. Does it work? | 00:16 |
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| Lynoure | Venemo: after manual starting and manual configuration into the sdk... the emulator button still stays grey, but yes, other than that. | 00:18 |
| Venemo | Lynoure: you have to set up a connection to the emulator manually | 00:19 |
| Lynoure | Venemo: I have. | 00:19 |
| Lynoure | Venemo: it works in running apps, but the button stays grey | 00:19 |
| Venemo | Lynoure: in Qt creator, Tools/Options/Projects -> Maemo device configurations, add a new device, with the type emulator | 00:19 |
| Lynoure | Venemo: I did that | 00:20 |
| Lynoure | like I said.. | 00:20 |
| Venemo | Lynoure: ookay... :) | 00:20 |
| Venemo | Lynoure: sorry. :) | 00:20 |
| Lynoure | The button above the hammer is the one that stays greyed out, but I'm not sure that matters | 00:21 |
| Venemo | Lynoure: that is greyed out for me, too... (has been forever) | 00:22 |
| Venemo | Lynoure: anyways, come to #qt-maemo in European working hours. The Qt guys are there and they are helpful | 00:23 |
| Lynoure | I tried there twice earlier... But probably not during office hours | 00:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer | (<kerio> wait, how massive?) think of nn*10^5 | 00:27 |
| kerio | that's a big number, unless nn=0 | 00:28 |
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| DocScrutinizer | nevertheless I'd bet I got a hit | 00:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer | even with nn!=0 | 00:29 |
| kerio | wait, at most 9900000? | 00:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | you thinks it's more? | 00:30 |
| kerio | i'd say much less, but what do i know | 00:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | definitely more tha 100.000 | 00:30 |
| trem | nite all, sweet dreams | 00:31 |
| kerio | ARE MADE OF THIS | 00:31 |
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| kerio | WHO WOULD MIND TO DISAGREE | 00:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | who in a mile to disagree | 00:31 |
| kerio | huh? | 00:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | ooh, my memory fails it seems | 00:32 |
| mikhas | ... everybody's waiting for something? | 00:32 |
| lolloo | lol @ mikhas | 00:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | anyway neuronal scientists would love that statement, as they could tell my brain working differently than usual | 00:33 |
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| derf | None of you people make any sense. | 00:45 |
| derf | That's not even English. | 00:45 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Jamesey's Breakfast Cocktail | 00:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | 1.5 ounces bacon-infused Compass Box Peat Monster Scotch | 00:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | .75 ounce molasses syrup | 00:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | .75 ounce lemon juice | 00:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | .25 ounce Grand Marnier | 00:46 |
| SpeedEvil | eggplant verisimilitude. | 00:46 |
| kerio | bacon! | 00:46 |
| derf | "Bacon-infused"... now you're talkig sense. | 00:46 |
| kerio | are we human, or are we dancer | 00:47 |
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| derf | Me English nicht verstehen. | 00:48 |
| SpeedEvil | 99 luft balons. | 00:48 |
| kerio | fuckin rainbows after a rain | 00:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer | to decorate grate some schwarzwaelder schinken over the drink, before serving | 00:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer | derf: like to DIY? an easy instruction on how to create bacon-infused burbon http://whiskyparty.net/?p=322 | 00:57 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ( lcuk has to be dead :-P ) | 00:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | otherwise how can it be we don't hear any comment? | 00:59 |
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| FrieT | howdie maemoes:) | 00:59 |
| derf | It _is_ somewhat late there. | 00:59 |
| derf | He has to sleep sometime. | 00:59 |
| Venemo | bye #maemo! :) | 00:59 |
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| FrieT | :) | 01:00 |
| FrieT | can anyone recommend a sip client for the n900? | 01:00 |
| kerio | the... default one | 01:00 |
| kerio | Phone | 01:00 |
| FrieT | ick:| | 01:01 |
| FrieT | eats >100% cpu.. | 01:01 |
| jacktheripper | >100% !? | 01:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah, it eats 300% cpu | 01:01 |
| kerio | omg he has a dualcore OMAP4 | 01:01 |
| FrieT | jacktheripper: if you overclock the thing ;p | 01:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | then it's clearly the overclocking that *realy* eats your CPU :-P | 01:02 |
| FrieT | okay hm. so a decent sip client isn't out there.. | 01:02 |
| FrieT | the high cpu usage isn't exactly an unknown issue on the default sip client.. hence my question. | 01:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | FrieT: the SIP client _is_ somewhat decent. You'll not find a better one, as it's PA and not the client that 'eats cpu' | 01:03 |
| FrieT | yes.. true. | 01:03 |
| kerio | stupid PA :( | 01:04 |
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| mikhas | fix it, or convince nokia to use better audio hardware ;-) | 01:05 |
| kerio | MNZ! | 01:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | better hardware? | 01:05 |
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| kerio | hurry! | 01:05 |
| MNZ | kerio, don't get me started :/ | 01:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | what's wrong with hw? | 01:05 |
| mikhas | well, apparently PA is doing stuff it shouldnt do | 01:05 |
| MNZ | mikhas, we already know that | 01:05 |
| kerio | PA is... software | 01:05 |
| FrieT | it uses 30%+ .. | 01:05 |
| MNZ | except we can't do shit about it because it's closed source | 01:06 |
| FrieT | gt wonder why symbian pulled it off on an old e61:) | 01:06 |
| mikhas | so the answer is either: fix PA, or: move that stuff to HW | 01:06 |
| MNZ | I AM working on an alternative solution, but no use to SIP | 01:06 |
| kerio | it's already in the HW | 01:06 |
| kerio | we have a hw equalizer | 01:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | MNZ: we can jettison the whole module. Should be 'easy' | 01:06 |
| kerio | and a hw decoder | 01:06 |
| FrieT | kerio: hw equalizer? any frontend for that?:p | 01:06 |
| MNZ | DocScrutinizer, yes, and start at the guessing game again :/ | 01:06 |
| MNZ | FrieT, hopefully... but don't get too excited | 01:07 |
| kerio | FrieT: if i ask MNZ one more time he'll kill me | 01:07 |
| MNZ | ;) | 01:07 |
| FrieT | ok well i'll send flowers..? | 01:07 |
| FrieT | :) | 01:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | MNZ: more like starting the gambling how long the speakers will survivie :-P | 01:07 |
| FrieT | nah | 01:07 |
| FrieT | solder em out, attach ghetto blasters, done | 01:07 |
| FrieT | then it's a matter of how long the little tiny amp will last | 01:08 |
| MNZ | FrieT, the little tiny amp can probably handle it | 01:08 |
| FrieT | then go for it:) | 01:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | the amp is 'undestructable' | 01:08 |
| MNZ | anywho, I have some good (?) news that I hadn't yet announced, mostly because of that question mark after 'good' | 01:08 |
| FrieT | do share:) | 01:09 |
| MNZ | It seems that the hardware accel for audio/video decoding is not actually being used | 01:09 |
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| MNZ | And TI are working on gstreamer plugins for the thing | 01:09 |
| kerio | \o/ | 01:09 |
| FrieT | neat | 01:09 |
| FrieT | :) | 01:09 |
| MNZ | now of course it's not just gstreamer plugins | 01:09 |
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| nox- | wow | 01:09 |
| MNZ | The thing involves about 2Gigs of SDK and code and kernel shit | 01:09 |
| FrieT | well that'd help with the decoding | 01:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | ouch | 01:09 |
| MNZ | and I'm downloading stuff right now to figure out how to fit it into maemo | 01:10 |
| kerio | not to mention we're not fully using the led controller | 01:10 |
| FrieT | :) | 01:10 |
| nox- | haha | 01:10 |
| FrieT | yeah that led is underused | 01:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | kerio: you maybe not. *I* however do, occasionally :-P | 01:10 |
| FrieT | how about disco-blinkenlights with that led?:o) | 01:10 |
| kerio | FrieT: it's actually a true cpu | 01:11 |
| kerio | with a small instruction set | 01:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | kerio: It's even a battery charge indicator, without any main CPU involved | 01:11 |
| FrieT | cpu like or microcontroller like? | 01:11 |
| kerio | probably powerful enough to run an atari2600 game | 01:11 |
| kerio | *a | 01:12 |
| FrieT | impressive:) | 01:12 |
| kerio | *an | 01:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | FrieT: something like 2 local and one global 8bit var | 01:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | add, mul, sub, and conditional branches | 01:12 |
| FrieT | i just knew they'd come up with use for the ol c=64:> | 01:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | loop counters | 01:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | and it's really 3 of those little engines | 01:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | so a true multicore :-P | 01:13 |
| FrieT | one per led colour? | 01:13 |
| FrieT | :) | 01:13 |
| nox- | haha | 01:13 |
| FrieT | yeey. | 01:13 |
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| FrieT | why the hell is pulseaudio being used anyhow? :| | 01:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer | *SIGH!* | 01:14 |
| FrieT | okay i guess i just asked a terrible FAQ:D | 01:15 |
| MNZ | FrieT, basically to turn the device audio architecture "APE Centric" | 01:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | FrieT: come join the PA haters' club! | 01:15 |
| MNZ | where APE is not a monkey | 01:15 |
| FrieT | DocScrutinizer: well based on cpu load !!... | 01:15 |
| FrieT | ape being? | 01:15 |
| MNZ | but more akin to Application P* Engine | 01:16 |
| kerio | FrieT: because nokia is taking the piss | 01:16 |
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| MNZ | I forget | 01:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | FrieT: no terrible FAQ, just a Q with a terribly unknown or disgusting answer | 01:16 |
| FrieT | DocScrutinizer: ic.. | 01:16 |
| MNZ | Application Processor Engine | 01:16 |
| FrieT | sounds like a marketing buzzword.. | 01:16 |
| MNZ | One of the reasons given by Sarha (dude who wrote all the PA mods) was to remove all the hardware complications of doing routing down there | 01:17 |
| MNZ | and just put it all through the CPU | 01:17 |
| MNZ | because it *SIMPLIFIES* shit | 01:17 |
| kerio | that makes sense for a quad-core desktop | 01:17 |
| MNZ | and it does really | 01:17 |
| FrieT | and adds terrible overhead? | 01:17 |
| kerio | and still, you'd want to use jackd, not pa | 01:17 |
| MNZ | kerio, exactly! have you seen friggin jack2? | 01:18 |
| MNZ | it's amazing | 01:18 |
| FrieT | uhm | 01:18 |
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| MNZ | I dunno how it adds no overhead, and uses almost 0 cpu :/ | 01:18 |
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| FrieT | so basically this is what, supposed to be a software mixer of sorts? | 01:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | tell me why my last desktop system updtae broke my perfect alsa installation by shoving PA down my throat for nuttin, and maybe I manage to remember why Nokia has chosen to adopt PA shit for maemo | 01:19 |
| MNZ | FrieT, it mixes streams and does some stuff to protect speakers when on speaker output | 01:19 |
| FrieT | i don't need that! | 01:19 |
| FrieT | i'll blast my speakers if i very darn well please! | 01:19 |
| MNZ | highpass filter for protecting speakers (or they go bunk) and dynamic compression | 01:19 |
| FrieT | oh boy. | 01:20 |
| nox- | that reminds me of... http://matt.bottrell.com.au/uploads/Pics/linuxaudio.png | 01:20 |
| FrieT | and that is done in software because? | 01:20 |
| FrieT | now i remember why i use windows/ASIO for my audio stuff:P | 01:20 |
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| SpeedEvil | In many cases, it's done in software, as software is the only place that can do it. | 01:21 |
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| nox- | (and btw for comparison, freebsd's sound drivers have in-kernel mixing and per-app volume control so rarely does one there need any `sound daemons'... :) | 01:21 |
| SpeedEvil | In this case, it's not - as there is an equalisation feature in the hardware | 01:21 |
| SpeedEvil | which is unused | 01:21 |
| MNZ | nox-, we have in-kernel mixing | 01:21 |
| FrieT | alsa does that these days too iirc | 01:21 |
| MNZ | FrieT, it's one of the oldest modules, dmix, not 'these days' | 01:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | nox-: sounds like ALSA | 01:21 |
| nox- | ah ok but not in the beginning | 01:22 |
| FrieT | well last time i checked out linux audio was hm | 01:22 |
| FrieT | when alsa was not in the kernel upstream yet | 01:22 |
| FrieT | it did exist tho | 01:22 |
| FrieT | so i'm a little out of touch | 01:22 |
| MNZ | Actually, I haven't really witnessed OSS first-hand | 01:22 |
| MNZ | so I can't tell | 01:22 |
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| FrieT | mmm oSS. fond memories of horror-noise. | 01:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | for the record: dmix is in ALSA at least since 0.96 and it just works since 1.0.1 | 01:23 |
| nox- | DocScrutinizer, but isnt dmix in userland? | 01:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | umm, that's a good question. probably yes, dmix is userland (though I'm not sure) | 01:24 |
| FrieT | blah.. on a phone, why do audio in userland? | 01:24 |
| nox- | DocScrutinizer, at least it was once | 01:24 |
| nox- | maybe that has changed tho | 01:24 |
| MNZ | FrieT, actually, do you have anything against userland :/ ? | 01:24 |
| MNZ | nox-, actually I'm not sure about dmix either | 01:24 |
| FrieT | i do when it's latency-sensitive | 01:25 |
| luke-jr | dmix couldn't be in userland | 01:25 |
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| luke-jr | ALSA doesn't use a userland daemon | 01:25 |
| FrieT | okay.. | 01:25 |
| FrieT | 984 1 pulse R < 3596 1.4 24.4 /usr/bin/pulseaudio --system --high-priority | 01:25 |
| FrieT | playing an mp3 .. | 01:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | nox-: bot otoh dmix is used by several distinct userland processes that don't now shit about each other...? | 01:25 |
| luke-jr | FrieT: N900 isn't a phone, and PulseAudio is crap | 01:25 |
| FrieT | ack on both :) | 01:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: yep, for dmix and ALSA | 01:26 |
| FrieT | there's no alternative audio systems that have PA wrappers? | 01:26 |
| kerio | let's go beat up the guy who decided PA was a good idea | 01:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | WUT?? yet another wraper around the wrapper? | 01:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | noooo dude | 01:27 |
| kerio | yo dawg i heard you like overhead | 01:27 |
| FrieT | hey, seeing how efficient this thing is at dd if=- of=/dev/dsp | 01:27 |
| FrieT | it can't be thàt bad | 01:27 |
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| nox- | FrieT, :) | 01:28 |
| FrieT | seriously now.. eiter it does all the audio decoding and i'm OK with it using cpu, or it just does software mixing and this is just out of whack. hm. | 01:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | kerio: you mixed up things - I like headroom, not overhead | 01:28 |
| MNZ | FrieT, the next top process would be mafw-gst-renderer | 01:28 |
| kerio | heh | 01:29 |
| MNZ | FrieT, that's where the decoding happens | 01:29 |
| FrieT | yes i know | 01:29 |
| MNZ | AIUI | 01:29 |
| FrieT | hence .. | 01:29 |
| kerio | FrieT: mixing takes more cpu than decoding :/ | 01:29 |
| FrieT | 17% decoding | 01:29 |
| FrieT | 27% for a unix pipe .. | 01:29 |
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| nox- | eww | 01:29 |
| FrieT | and then there's the kernel-cpu time for the audio driving itself. | 01:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | unix pipe? | 01:29 |
| MNZ | And my attempts at running pulseaudio through valgrind on the ARM failed miserably :D | 01:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | lol | 01:30 |
| MNZ | FrieT, it does mixing and a bunch of other stuff... not just a unix pipe | 01:30 |
| FrieT | it doesn't have to mix anything right now :) | 01:30 |
| MNZ | good point XD | 01:30 |
| FrieT | ONE audio stream. should be 1-2%cpu if you add some protect-the-speakers voodoo | 01:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | like IIR highpass filter, and (adaptive) dynamic compression | 01:30 |
| FrieT | DocScrutinizer: so how do i rip that out? | 01:31 |
| kerio | heh | 01:31 |
| FrieT | do we have sources to this? | 01:31 |
| kerio | nope | 01:31 |
| FrieT | PA is totally closed? | 01:31 |
| kerio | but i guess you could tell PA to stop doing it | 01:31 |
| kerio | PA is oss | 01:31 |
| FrieT | but? | 01:31 |
| kerio | the nokia modules are closed | 01:31 |
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| FrieT | are the nokia modules doing the compression ? | 01:31 |
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| kerio | yes | 01:32 |
| FrieT | fsk | 01:32 |
| kerio | and the speaker protection | 01:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://meego.gitorious.org/maemo-multimedia/pulseaudio-modules-meego/trees/master/src/cmtspeech | 01:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | and ugly relatives | 01:32 |
| kerio | the speakers sound like shit anyway | 01:32 |
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| FrieT | speaker protection.. explains why ringtones can't distort | 01:32 |
| FrieT | too bad. | 01:32 |
| FrieT | i'd happily void warranty and save cpu/batterylife:P | 01:33 |
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| MNZ | Hrmmm someone should seriously get nokia to release the code | 01:33 |
| MNZ | it's not like they have any super top secret IP in there :/ | 01:33 |
| FrieT | how? do they still care about maemo? | 01:33 |
| MNZ | if they don't care about maemo then all the more reason to release code | 01:34 |
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| FrieT | i have zero contacts with them:) | 01:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | the highpass is a *good* thing, and incidentally can be done in hardware. MNZ is working on that. The dynamic compander is a BS addon doen for the leetness, and we could kick it out and replace by a much saner level control | 01:34 |
| FrieT | unless you count their DSL stuff:) | 01:34 |
| FrieT | highpass is a good thing, but at least i want to be able to turn it off. | 01:35 |
| MNZ | FrieT, turn it off = blow speakers, apparently | 01:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | turn off is easy, just tweak ploicy files | 01:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | policy even | 01:36 |
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| FrieT | i'll happily test that MNZ:P | 01:36 |
| FrieT | DocScrutinizer: not familiar enough yet with "tweak policy files" | 01:36 |
| MNZ | FrieT, that's great actually, just wait a bunch more so you can test the stuff I write instead of blowing speakers by turning off PA :P | 01:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | MNZ: blow speakers on high volume with plenty of bass | 01:36 |
| FrieT | MNZ: i took out insurance for this thing, so i get it replaced when it blows. | 01:37 |
| FrieT | the drop-coffee-on-device kind of insurance | 01:37 |
| FrieT | so yes, i'd be happy to test:P | 01:37 |
| FrieT | nowwww where do i disable the compression / filtering?;D | 01:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | any, just on a sidenote, speakers are replaced easily and probably don't cost that much | 01:38 |
| FrieT | true | 01:38 |
| FrieT | ghettoblasters ftw | 01:38 |
| lcuk | delayed reaction DocScrutinizer ! | 01:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | eh? | 01:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | ooh BACON | 01:38 |
| lcuk | the smell finally reached me | 01:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | hehehehe | 01:39 |
| FrieT | hmm | 01:39 |
| * DocScrutinizer hands lcuk a Jamesey's Breakfast Cocktail | 01:39 | |
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| MNZ | Actually one of my concerns was if I got the hardware thing working I wouldn't have the guts to test it :D | 01:39 |
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| kerio | bacon! | 01:39 |
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| FrieT | MNZ: i'll test it, for sure:) | 01:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | MNZ: no worries, there are dudes to test (me being one of them) | 01:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | MNZ: I mean ther has to be a reason I got a devel device of Nokia | 01:40 |
| MNZ | ah good, because I had kinda stopped on the hardware thing and gave hacking at PA a shot, which didn't work out | 01:41 |
| lcuk | yet | 01:41 |
| MNZ | lcuk, it's surprisingly not fun profiling stuff on linux on ARM.... more over closed source stuff | 01:41 |
| lcuk | indeed | 01:42 |
| FrieT | ok. discovery: 22khz saves 5% cpu :P | 01:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | MNZ: do you think somebody doing THIS: http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/n900/ is afraid of testing audio software? XP | 01:42 |
| lcuk | its getting easier | 01:42 |
| lcuk | more diagnostics are available etc | 01:42 |
| FrieT | DocScrutinizer: yes:P | 01:43 |
| MNZ | DocScrutinizer :O | 01:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | FrieT: sorry? | 01:43 |
| FrieT | :D | 01:43 |
| FrieT | i never said i'm a good thinker:) | 01:43 |
| nox- | DocScrutinizer, how many pieces were left over after you put it back together? :) | 01:44 |
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| DocScrutinizer | zero | 01:44 |
| nox- | :D | 01:45 |
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| MNZ | FrieT, he was working with the openmoko guys, so I guess he knows what he's doing, aye doc :D ? | 01:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | MNZ: I *was* the hw openmoko guy ;-P | 01:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | during a vertain timespan | 01:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | cetain* | 01:46 |
| FrieT | :) | 01:46 |
| nox- | oh | 01:46 |
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| MNZ | awesome! | 01:46 |
| FrieT | okay.. any way to rip out this compression thing in the xpolicy file? | 01:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | look at page one of http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/schematics/GTA02/Schematics_Freerunner-GTA02_A5-A7cumulative_public_RC0.pdf | 01:47 |
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| asj | DocScrutinizer51: | 01:48 |
| asj | ack | 01:48 |
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| asj | DocScrutinizer51: "no tomo font" it looks great, except all the fonts are dots :) | 01:48 |
| * asj hates pdf | 01:48 | |
| DocScrutinizer | asj: use a decent pdf reader :-P | 01:49 |
| FrieT | DocScrutinizer: can only the highpass filter be ripped out easily? | 01:49 |
| MNZ | FrieT, I have never actually looked at it the file extensively... there are only two nokia mods that music goes through, module-nokia-music and module-nokia-voice | 01:49 |
| FrieT | mm | 01:49 |
| asj | DocScrutinizer: isn't that an oxymoron? | 01:49 |
| MNZ | the media player connects to the sink on module-nokia-music, which is connected to voice then to alsa sink | 01:49 |
| MNZ | you can work around voice by messing with the policy | 01:49 |
| FrieT | wrappedeewrap | 01:49 |
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| SpeedEvil | FrieT: You need to carefully check. | 01:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | asj: anyway that's been as good as it got, without losing searchability of the pdf | 01:50 |
| MNZ | but I'm not sure if you can work around music | 01:50 |
| MNZ | or | 01:50 |
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| MNZ | you can set a default sink | 01:50 |
| SpeedEvil | FrieT: http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Software_Power_management - get that script - and use it - and compare battery usage | 01:50 |
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| FrieT | why can't everything just be dumped into the same sink?:P | 01:50 |
| MNZ | set alsa as the default sink. I really don't know about the PA config files | 01:50 |
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| SpeedEvil | FrieT: redirect ideally to a file. | 01:50 |
| MNZ | FrieT, they manage different stuff | 01:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | MNZ: music is connected to voice? o.O | 01:51 |
| MNZ | DocScrutinizer, yeah :/ it's weird | 01:51 |
| SpeedEvil | FrieT: Confusing, as 5% CPU difference may be very far from 5% bat volts | 01:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | MNZ: FFS | 01:51 |
| MNZ | FrieT, you can just skip PA as a whole and use mplayer to play directly to ALSA | 01:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | you can even completely kick PA all together aiui, by PA-disabler orwhatyacallit | 01:52 |
| MNZ | DocScrutinizer, it's why I suspect the speaker stuff happens in voice, as everything seems to dump into it | 01:52 |
| MNZ | FrieT, in general I'd suggest you wait a while or otherwise prepare for a lot of messing about | 01:53 |
| FrieT | :D | 01:53 |
| FrieT | i'll do both | 01:53 |
| MNZ | or do both :D | 01:53 |
| lolloo | why is youtube vids low resolution? | 01:53 |
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| DocScrutinizer | what else? HD? | 01:53 |
| lolloo | the vids on youtube with my N900 has bad quality | 01:53 |
| jacktheripper | they're zoomed in. | 01:54 |
| lolloo | am using stock browser | 01:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | the vids on youtube with my * has bad quality | 01:54 |
| lolloo | i can alot of squares | 01:54 |
| lolloo | on the vid | 01:54 |
| lolloo | maemo5 | 01:54 |
| MNZ | I accidentally the whole thing | 01:54 |
| lolloo | really bad quality when usin stock browser | 01:55 |
| lolloo | to watch youtube vids | 01:55 |
| jacktheripper | lolloo: they're zoomed in. | 01:55 |
| nox- | flash is just `optimized for windows'... | 01:55 |
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| lolloo | is my vid codecs are updated? | 01:55 |
| SpeedEvil | ffplay plays flash vids insanely low CPU compared to flash | 01:56 |
| SpeedEvil | It's flash. | 01:56 |
| nox- | SpeedEvil, yep that what i meant | 01:56 |
| SpeedEvil | Flash is unfortunately a bitofa bottleneck. | 01:56 |
| lolloo | nokia has built-in gfx card | 01:56 |
| nox- | the only place they care about performace if at all is on windows | 01:56 |
| lolloo | why isnt youtube flash using it? | 01:57 |
| * MNZ facepalms and withdraws into a corner | 01:57 | |
| nox- | lolloo, why isnt x86 linux flash using xv? | 01:57 |
| SpeedEvil | lolloo: Because that would be flash 10. | 01:57 |
| SpeedEvil | lolloo: Flash 10 is not on the n900. | 01:57 |
| lolloo | wow never knew | 01:57 |
| SpeedEvil | Exactly why is a good question. | 01:57 |
| lolloo | thank you all | 01:57 |
| SpeedEvil | also - some vids are worse than others. | 01:58 |
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| lolloo | is there kind of an app for youtube | 01:58 |
| lolloo | make vids have better quality | 01:59 |
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| lolloo | because this seriously bad | 01:59 |
| lolloo | cant watch youtube with good quality atleast | 01:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | take this: videos taken with N900 are mere crap on my 1.6GHz dual-core, while they play just fine on N900 | 01:59 |
| * MNZ facedesks | 01:59 | |
| lolloo | i cant see a thing on youtube from my fone | 02:00 |
| lolloo | all sqaures | 02:00 |
| lolloo | bad quality | 02:00 |
| lolloo | btw, am using xchat on it now | 02:00 |
| SpeedEvil | odd | 02:00 |
| MNZ | is it only me or does someone else smell a troll? | 02:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | lolloo: you're sufering from a strange pulseaudio buffer jitter or what? | 02:01 |
| sevard | wtf | 02:01 |
| * lolloo is using Xchat | 02:01 | |
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| * lolloo is using Xchat on Nokia N900 | 02:01 | |
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| DocScrutinizer | seems like you say things two or three times, in random order | 02:01 |
| timtubemaster | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0un_5pXeCHw watch this video it's funny. | 02:01 |
| lolloo | haha but still bad quality | 02:02 |
| lolloo | he is all squares | 02:02 |
| timtubemaster | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0un_5pXeCHw watch this video it's funny. | 02:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer | <lolloo> really bad quality when usin stock browser <lolloo> because this seriously bad <lolloo> cant watch youtube with good quality atleast <lolloo> all sqaures | 02:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer | <lolloo> haha but still bad quality <lolloo> he is all squares | 02:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer | lolloo: you're close to tripping turing test and get banned for a specially annoying bot | 02:04 |
| lolloo | sorry but annoying | 02:04 |
| FrieT | :) | 02:05 |
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| FrieT | hmmm what repository can i grab screen from ? | 02:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | umm | 02:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer | IroN900:~# apt-cache search screen -> gives me ~150 hits, so, sorry nfc | 02:08 |
| lolloo | what if I use firefox, do you think maybe it has better built-in flash support? | 02:08 |
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| FrieT | :o) | 02:08 |
| SpeedEvil | hmm | 02:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | afaik fifo has no flash support at all on N900 | 02:09 |
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| SpeedEvil | It diddn't used to be this bad | 02:09 |
| SpeedEvil | ah | 02:09 |
| * lolloo sighses | 02:09 | |
| SpeedEvil | the pre-content ads render shittily | 02:09 |
| SpeedEvil | even if the content may come OK | 02:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | though somebody claimed it could get enabled | 02:09 |
| nox- | lolloo, i tried flash on fennec and only got audio | 02:10 |
| nox- | yeah i enabled it in about:config, maybe that was not enough... | 02:10 |
| FrieT | kmplayer does youtube pretty well though.. | 02:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | might have been timeless who should know what he's talking bout | 02:10 |
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| lolloo | which extentions is compatibile with N900: .YUM , .tar, .rpm ? | 02:14 |
| FrieT | huh? does yum support .yum? :D | 02:15 |
| lolloo | or .deb ? | 02:15 |
| FrieT | debian. | 02:15 |
| FrieT | so deb. | 02:15 |
| lolloo | FrieT: guess so | 02:15 |
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| luke-jr | wtf is .yum | 02:17 |
| lolloo | I think I got the update 10.1 for firefox! YAY | 02:17 |
| luke-jr | lolloo: uh, bad logic | 02:17 |
| lolloo | offf its 1wmb | 02:18 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | which screws are compatble with Boing? M5, M6, or witworth | 02:18 |
| luke-jr | N900 doesn't care what package format you use | 02:18 |
| lolloo | 12 MB | 02:18 |
| luke-jr | Maemo5 does, and only uses .deb packages, but any non-Maemo .deb is unlikely to work too | 02:18 |
| lolloo | I found deb file for Flash 10.1 for FireFox | 02:18 |
| lolloo | but its 12MB | 02:18 |
| luke-jr | .rpm/.deb/.tar aren't compatible with themselves even | 02:18 |
| luke-jr | lolloo: it won't work | 02:19 |
| asj | lolloo: you understand that n900 is arm right and can't run x86 code? | 02:19 |
| lolloo | it opened appmanager | 02:19 |
| luke-jr | lolloo: it still won't work | 02:19 |
| luke-jr | only Maemo .debs will work | 02:19 |
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| lolloo | no I am noob in Linux noob | 02:19 |
| luke-jr | lolloo: think of .exe | 02:19 |
| lolloo | but this one opened app manager | 02:19 |
| luke-jr | just because you have a .exe doesn't mean you Windows can run it | 02:19 |
| lolloo | and installing | 02:19 |
| SpeedEvil | Basically, you're trying to shovel coal into the fuel tank of your shiny new car. | 02:19 |
| lolloo | hahaha | 02:20 |
| luke-jr | SpeedEvil: nah, that'd be a RPM | 02:20 |
| luke-jr | a better analogy is pouring water into the gas tank | 02:20 |
| lolloo | Let me try it out i will send you screenshots! | 02:20 |
| luke-jr | it'll fit, but it sure won't run the car | 02:20 |
| asj | well more like diesel fuel into a gas car | 02:20 |
| luke-jr | lolloo: no, you won't. | 02:20 |
| luke-jr | asj: that won't fit :P | 02:20 |
| asj | the nozel looks the same | 02:20 |
| luke-jr | the nozel won't fit | 02:20 |
| luke-jr | non-Maemo .deb fits the package manager, but it won't run the car | 02:21 |
| asj | luke-jr: the diesel nozels here are smaller | 02:21 |
| lolloo | 0Mgoat your right | 02:21 |
| lolloo | didnt work | 02:21 |
| lolloo | gggrrrr | 02:21 |
| asj | lolloo: ya figure? | 02:21 |
| * MNZ is shocked | 02:21 | |
| Muelli | NO SHIT SHERLOCK! | 02:22 |
| lolloo | 10.1 where art thou | 02:22 |
| luke-jr | lol | 02:22 |
| luke-jr | lolloo: Flash sucks anyway. don't use it. | 02:22 |
| lolloo | how do you watch youtube? | 02:22 |
| lolloo | you mean you never watch it? | 02:22 |
| SpeedEvil | Youtube works OK for most of trhe content - apart from the ads - IME | 02:22 |
| nox- | i guess you could use yuotube-dl + mplayer... | 02:23 |
| SpeedEvil | the ads are blocky and break up | 02:23 |
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| asj | lolloo: you tube doesn't need flash 10... | 02:23 |
| luke-jr | lolloo: 1) web browsers aren't supposed to be media players | 02:23 |
| luke-jr | lolloo: 2) HTML 5 | 02:23 |
| luke-jr | lolloo: 3) YouTube downloader sites | 02:23 |
| SpeedEvil | 2) fails due to codecs | 02:24 |
| lolloo | I found app called "Zoutube" | 02:24 |
| luke-jr | SpeedEvil: no? | 02:24 |
| luke-jr | SpeedEvil: Chromium works fine for me | 02:24 |
| SpeedEvil | ah | 02:24 |
| SpeedEvil | not tried chromium. | 02:24 |
| SpeedEvil | Some sites do not support html5 though - only flash. | 02:25 |
| lolloo | luke-jr: I will try it, where from? | 02:25 |
| SpeedEvil | luke-jr: Does html5 youtube work OK in it? | 02:25 |
| luke-jr | SpeedEvil: only YouTube is perservered enough to force me to use my browser as a media player | 02:25 |
| luke-jr | abuse* | 02:25 |
| luke-jr | SpeedEvil: yes | 02:25 |
| luke-jr | lolloo: no clue, I just emerge chromium | 02:25 |
| nox- | google payed the h264 ppl, mozilla doesnt so only chrome can play h264 html5 video | 02:25 |
| lolloo | omg I envy them | 02:25 |
| SpeedEvil | I thought h25 just went royalty rfree | 02:25 |
| SpeedEvil | or was I confused by clver marketing people. | 02:26 |
| nox- | SpeedEvil, for ppl hosting videos for free, not sure if also for ppl implementing players... | 02:26 |
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| SpeedEvil | ah | 02:27 |
| lolloo | http://meegoportal.com/?p=90 | 02:27 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | luke-jr: while I'm usually hate when people talk like there's no other OS than win on earth, I still feel like reminding you this chan is about maemo, so it's not exactly helping to suggest to newcomers 'emerge chrome' | 02:28 |
| SpeedEvil | Indeed | 02:28 |
| MNZ | Hrmmm... I think we can't pass data directly from IVA2.2 (OMAP component doing decoding) to the audio codec... still has to go through cpu, which is simply acting as a gateway between both components | 02:28 |
| lolloo | but they didnt bring a solution to youtube problem, | 02:29 |
| jacktheripper | certainly better than nothing though | 02:30 |
| luke-jr | DocScrutinizer51: Chrome doesn't support Gentoo. It's 'emerge chromium'. | 02:30 |
| luke-jr | DocScrutinizer51: also, I suggest you reread how I phrased it | 02:30 |
| lolloo | Yes I would hate to use stock browser to watch youtube vids | 02:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | [2010-09-06 01:25:10] <lolloo> luke-jr: I will try it, where from? [2010-09-06 01:25:35] <luke-jr> lolloo: no clue, I just emerge chromium | 02:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: gtfo | 02:31 |
| MNZ | Only 8 more hours left for the download, will wake up to some hacking tomorrow | 02:34 |
| MNZ | good night folks! | 02:34 |
| FrieT | nighty MNZ:) | 02:35 |
| luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: 'no clue' isn't clear enough? | 02:35 |
| FrieT | i'm off too. | 02:35 |
| FrieT | cheers folks | 02:35 |
| jacktheripper | i'm off three. | 02:35 |
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| luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: or you mean it's a problem to explain why I have no clue, without being asked? | 02:35 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | luke-jr: do you think a +q would help you to ponder and find the correct answer to that question by yourself? | 02:37 |
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| luke-jr | DocScrutinizer51: no, I think it would make me resent your trolling and power abuse | 02:40 |
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| timeless | hello world | 02:41 |
| lolloo | hi | 02:41 |
| * timeless is in london | 02:41 | |
| DocScrutinizer51 | (btw it's kinda starnge that this special flavour of egocentric "I just do xy" without giving clue about this doesn't apply to the remaining 99% of linux users not running gentoo, actually is found frequently among gentooers | 02:41 |
| timeless | anyone here know how to configure their n900's SIP account to route inbound calls? | 02:41 |
| luke-jr | timeless: you mean forward? or just answer? | 02:42 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | luke-jr: seems the jury is still out about who's trolling here | 02:42 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | nah actually not, it's you | 02:42 |
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| luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: troll, judge, and jury. | 02:44 |
| timeless | answer | 02:44 |
| luke-jr | timeless: it's working for me… are you getting an error, or? | 02:44 |
| timeless | i've only ever used my n900 for outbound sip(s) | 02:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: and, btw, that's exactly same pattern I warned you about when you did same shit wrt that fsckng formulas about meter and meters and dunno what | 02:45 |
| timeless | luke-jr: can i get you to try calling me? i promise not to answer | 02:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | and you start to make me upset, and I don't like to get upset | 02:45 |
| timeless | cute, a moment ago skype worked and nothing else did | 02:46 |
| timeless | now everything but skype is working | 02:46 |
| luke-jr | timeless: sure.. | 02:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | timeless: when inbound sip doesn't work, that's usually a NAT problem | 02:49 |
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| timeless | docscrutinizer: this isn't the sip people are used to | 02:50 |
| timeless | this is pots-sip bridging | 02:50 |
| timeless | luke: hang up | 02:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | timeless: sorry you lost me | 02:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer | timeless: I suppose you don't do pots-sip bridging on N900 | 02:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | so if we take as granted the N900 has no wire to plug to a pots outlet, you must be talking about plain inbound SIP | 02:52 |
| timeless | my provider has a sip service | 02:53 |
| luke-jr | timeless: I think I concur with DocScrutinizer's NAT theory | 02:53 |
| timeless | it lets me list my caller id as my normal pots phone number | 02:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | mhm, I call this a sip-provider | 02:53 |
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| timeless | does a normal sip provider also allow for normal pots phones w/ the same outbound numbera? | 02:54 |
| * timeless doesn't see that very often | 02:54 | |
| DocScrutinizer | sure, some do | 02:54 |
| timeless | i'm currently using hotel wifi | 02:55 |
| timeless | i can switch to o2 internet | 02:55 |
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| DocScrutinizer | timeless: you can try: go to "advanced" in SIP setup, toggle 'loose routing', toggle/conjugate 'keepalive mechanism', set 'keepalive period' to 30s, toggle 'auto STUN detection' | 02:59 |
| lcuk | timeless, nice offering, whos your provider? | 02:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | timeless: each one at a time | 02:59 |
| timeless | my employer :) | 03:00 |
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| * lcuk nods | 03:00 | |
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| DocScrutinizer | timeless: and make sure you don't enter anything to fileds 'outbound proxy' and 'username' if they need to stay empty. You can't delete later on - a bug in maemo | 03:01 |
| timeless | ... | 03:02 |
| luke-jr | eh | 03:03 |
| * luke-jr always uses those fields | 03:03 | |
| * timeless grumbles | 03:04 | |
| timeless | http://topupsurprises.o2.co.uk/ | 03:04 |
| timeless | *almost* works in my n900 | 03:04 |
| timeless | except, i can't manage to click login | 03:04 |
| * lcuk gets topus | 03:05 | |
| lcuk | you can call a shortcode afaik | 03:05 |
| lcuk | topup surprises even | 03:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | timeless: o2 website used to not work even on my desktop for ages | 03:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | optimized for ms explorer | 03:05 |
| timeless | oh brother | 03:06 |
| timeless | it's a flash game | 03:06 |
| timeless | and it kinda works | 03:06 |
| timeless | but can you imagine going fishing w/ a slow fishing rod? | 03:06 |
| lcuk | dare I ask, is there an optimised flash experience on any mobile | 03:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | timeless: ooh I forgot, you also usually can change port 5060 to something else, like 5070, to ship around any SIP block in a local firewall, e.g of a nasty hotel | 03:08 |
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| luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: only if the SIP provider supports another port… | 03:09 |
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| timeless | this hotel seems relatively nice | 03:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | timeless: depends on what UA actually does on that, if it chages dest and origin port, or only origin. Also depends on provider which usually allows other ports for dest. And last not least you can add :5060 to a sip URL | 03:10 |
| timeless | i mean, skype and sip and ssh all work | 03:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | at least you SHOULD be able to do this | 03:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~2119 | 03:10 |
| infobot | The key words "MUST", "MUST NOT", "REQUIRED", "SHALL", "SHALL NOT", "SHOULD", "SHOULD NOT", "RECOMMENDED", "MAY", and "OPTIONAL" in this document are to be interpreted as described in RFC 2119. | 03:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer | timeless: a common problem is when both sides are behind a NAT, you get the signaling but RTP audio never goes through | 03:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer | some providers do RTP relay in such a situation | 03:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | others don't | 03:12 |
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| timeless | doc: ... | 03:16 |
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| timeless | did you suggest twiddling discover public address? | 03:17 |
| timeless | also, how the heck does one test this junk? | 03:18 |
| timeless | do i need a friend to call me a dozen times? | 03:18 |
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| * timeless kills the quacking ducks | 03:20 | |
| lcuk | timeless, second option for testing - use direct hotel call | 03:20 |
| luke-jr | timeless: call yourself from another phone? | 03:20 |
| lcuk | does it cost if you dont answer | 03:20 |
| * lcuk beds anyway \o | 03:21 | |
| timeless | you mean run up a huge bill on my hotel room? | 03:21 |
| timeless | lemme think about that | 03:21 |
| lcuk | "<lcuk> does it cost if you dont answer" | 03:21 |
| timeless | sure i have a 100gbp pre auth | 03:21 |
| timeless | that doesn't mean i want to spend it :) | 03:21 |
| timeless | lcuk: if i were them i'd charge a bit just for placing the call | 03:22 |
| timeless | actually.. | 03:22 |
| timeless | i do know that in theory w/ laptops i'm supposed to be able to route inbound calls via sip for this number | 03:23 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | timeless: testing is a pita | 03:23 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | your best options for testing are the logs of decent UA like twinklephone, or wireshark | 03:24 |
| timeless | i have *one* n900 | 03:25 |
| timeless | and one generic s40 phone | 03:25 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | plus thorough knowledge about SIP | 03:25 |
| timeless | nothing else | 03:25 |
| timeless | i left my spare n900 on my couch when i rushed to catch my flight | 03:25 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | timeless: hmm, call SIP from S40? | 03:26 |
| timeless | um, ? | 03:26 |
| timeless | s40 is using a roaming sim and i don't think it has wifi | 03:26 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | nah, call the landline number that forwards to SIP | 03:27 |
| timeless | i only have two phone numbers... the o2 number which i want to answer the nok number | 03:27 |
| timeless | and the nok number | 03:27 |
| timeless | calling yourself is messy | 03:27 |
| timeless | very hard to prove it's doing the right thing | 03:28 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | hmm, I see | 03:28 |
| timeless | iirc it doesn't do what you want, but tends to tripple bill and send you direct to voicemail | 03:28 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | I can give you any number of testcalls, as long as you don't answer | 03:28 |
| timeless | i won't answer | 03:28 |
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| SpeedEvil | HAs anyone else had problems with the modem sometimes randomly lose the mobile signal? | 03:33 |
| timeless | like on a TGV? :) | 03:33 |
| SpeedEvil | No, like on a sofa. | 03:34 |
| SpeedEvil | And randomly. | 03:34 |
| SpeedEvil | Bending the SIM socket pins out seems to have fixed it | 03:34 |
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| androidn810 | anyone know where i can download android 2.2 for my n810? | 03:46 |
| pupnik_ | androidn810: see the 'nitdroid' project. i don't have url | 03:50 |
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| androidn810 | pupnik_: ok, will try searching nitdroid, but is it compatible with android 2.2 and run on n810's armel arch? | 03:53 |
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| pupnik_ | i don't know, but nitdroid is the name of the project porting android to maemo | 03:55 |
| pupnik_ | to n900 rather | 03:56 |
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| androidn810 | pupnik_: i need it for the n810, not the n900 | 03:59 |
| pupnik_ | oh right | 04:00 |
| pupnik_ | sorry | 04:00 |
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| GeneralAntilles1 | Why is it every tool we use for mwkn puts up all of the roadblocks it can towards allowing us to get work done? | 06:10 |
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| timoph | they're making you think twice :) | 06:14 |
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| GAN900 | First Docs was generally unreliable, then messed with their API. Now Twitter messed with their API and I can't access old tweets to work around it. | 06:28 |
| GAN900 | Will be a VERY short issue this week. ;) | 06:28 |
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| pupnik_ | Barack Obama gave 'permission' to General Petraeus to "Unilaterally engage in *assassination* in Afghanistan, Iraq, Pakistan, Iran, the former Russian Republics, Yemen, Somalia, Saudi Arabia, Keynia, The Horn of Aftica, and >> wherever else he deems necessary <<" | 06:46 |
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| asj | pupnik_: this is #maemo, take it elsewhere, and I don't care how drunk you are today | 06:48 |
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| pupnik_ | likewise asj | 06:49 |
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| scp1 | I guess that nobody still havent found out how one could manage to get a decent Perl installed on a Nokia n900? It's really frustrating having to port code backwards. | 07:29 |
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| jpinx-eeepc | scp1: in a chroot of debian? | 07:38 |
| jpinx-eeepc | (just a thought) | 07:38 |
| scp1 | jpinx-eeepc, When I tried the debian chroot it'd no longer boot. | 07:42 |
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| jpinx-eeepc | scp1: bugger - I was going to install that todaay, but I have heard that there are issues | 07:44 |
| jpinx-eeepc | scp1: I wanted to install it and then remove most of the ridiculous stuff like gimp and OOo | 07:44 |
| jpinx-eeepc | scp1: do you mean the chroot would not boot or the phone itself was bricked? | 07:45 |
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| scp1 | jpinx-eeepc, the phone was bricked. 2 hours after I bought it | 08:11 |
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| N900sexi | aananybody know why tweego was abandoned? seems to be the case a lot these days: abandonware | 08:38 |
| N900sexi | such a shame | 08:39 |
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| N900sexi | have the devs jumped ship? | 08:40 |
| luke-jr | that new ship looked SO much COOLER! | 08:41 |
| luke-jr | sorry | 08:41 |
| luke-jr | :p | 08:41 |
| N900sexi | what? | 08:41 |
| luke-jr | we just HAD to jump ship | 08:41 |
| luke-jr | and swim to the cooler looking one | 08:42 |
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| N900sexi | its pretty freaking annoying when apps stop working. fail. epic fail. | 08:42 |
| luke-jr | blaming Nokia seems to be popular | 08:43 |
| N900sexi | cant blame the devs...there aint no money to be made in maemo i guess | 08:44 |
| N900sexi | tweego was a half assed effort at a serious app but at least it worked. now its dead | 08:45 |
| kirma | twitter is changing its' policies if I remember right | 08:45 |
| N900sexi | yes | 08:45 |
| luke-jr | N900sexi: jcrawford killed it. | 08:46 |
| N900sexi | whos jcrawford? | 08:46 |
| luke-jr | no idea | 08:46 |
| N900sexi | whats your point then? | 08:46 |
| luke-jr | no point | 08:47 |
| luke-jr | just counter-trolling | 08:47 |
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| N900sexi | trolling? so you deny there is abandonware ? you decide to insult instead? | 08:48 |
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| luke-jr | N900sexi: coming in here and complaining isn't going to fix it | 08:49 |
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| N900sexi | right but this is a maemo channel isnt it? cant we talk about it? | 08:49 |
| pekuja | well, it's dead, right? | 08:50 |
| N900sexi | it is...true | 08:50 |
| N900sexi | i just hope nokia takes matters into their hands when n9 comes....they cant afford to have fuck ups like this | 08:51 |
| pekuja | basically, you can't really get mad about a free software developer abandoning a project. they're free to do as they please. what you can do is try to find an alternative or the pick the project up yourself | 08:51 |
| luke-jr | N900sexi: seriously, Nokia is the core of the problem | 08:51 |
| luke-jr | they abandon Maemo, why *shouldn't* 3rd party devs do so also? | 08:52 |
| N900sexi | i know | 08:52 |
| N900sexi | sad | 08:52 |
| pekuja | exactly | 08:52 |
| pekuja | definitely hasn't made me very happy about my N900 purchase | 08:53 |
| N900sexi | exactly | 08:53 |
| pekuja | I'll probably install MeeGo on it, but that's not going to be officially supported | 08:53 |
| pekuja | afaik | 08:53 |
| N900sexi | but i guess this is what we get for buying into nokia lies | 08:54 |
| luke-jr | lies? like what? | 08:54 |
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| N900sexi | im sorry but abandoning N900 and its os after 8 months is a joke | 08:54 |
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| MiXu- | Who said it's being abandoned? | 08:55 |
| luke-jr | N900sexi: Nokia is paying people to port MeeGo to N900 | 08:55 |
| N900sexi | and dont give me this "community support" bullshit please | 08:55 |
| luke-jr | as far as Maemo… Nokia's track record is the same | 08:55 |
| MiXu- | I'm sure there'll be more updates to maemo5 | 08:55 |
| luke-jr | N810 was abandoned about 8 months later IIRC | 08:55 |
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| zokier | is the source for opengl es drivers for n900 available somewhere? | 09:23 |
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| luke-jr | zokier: no | 09:24 |
| luke-jr | zokier: probably never will be | 09:24 |
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| zokier | so if i think i found a bug in them, i can't do anything about it. awesome | 09:27 |
| fragment | zokier: what kind of bug? | 09:28 |
| luke-jr | zokier: right | 09:28 |
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| zokier | fragment, glReadPixels seems to behave oddly | 09:29 |
| zokier | segfaults or strange results | 09:29 |
| luke-jr | zokier: get a job at ImgTec, get promoted to a decision maker… | 09:29 |
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| pekuja | luke-jr, you need to be a decision maker to fix a bug? | 09:39 |
| zokier | i'd assume that nokia has access to the source, but i don't believe that they are interested in n900 anymore | 09:39 |
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| rmrfchik | oh, flame | 09:45 |
| ShadowJK | saved by the "power on for alarm even if battery is empty" feature \o/ | 09:45 |
| zokier | oh, i'm sorry... i'm just bit annoyed atm | 09:46 |
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| sejo | how do i disble the ld-mode? | 09:47 |
| sejo | rd-mode | 09:47 |
| ShadowJK | sort of same way you enabled it ... | 09:48 |
| sejo | yeah | 09:50 |
| * sejo slaps head | 09:50 | |
| sejo | shauld have looked before asking | 09:50 |
| sejo | should | 09:50 |
| sejo | is it possible that in rdmode the keyboard lights are always on (at least the ones at the side) | 09:51 |
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| cehteh | in rd mode they blink for different events | 09:54 |
| cehteh | thats documented somewhere | 09:55 |
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| jpinx-eeepc | scp1: did you reflash it? | 10:00 |
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| johnx | good mornin' maemo :D | 10:07 |
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| jpinx-eeepc | hi johnx :) | 10:08 |
| jpinx-eeepc | I have ssh ove usb and the n900 is now using my eeepc as it's gateway;) | 10:08 |
| johnx | hot sauce | 10:08 |
| johnx | knew you could pull it off | 10:09 |
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| jpinx-eeepc | bricked it once - had to do a long battery out to recover - but didn't have to flash ;) | 10:09 |
| achipa | X-Fade: ping | 10:10 |
| scp1 | jpinx-eeepc, yeah | 10:10 |
| jpinx-eeepc | scp1: and it being bricked was definitely a result of the chroot install? | 10:11 |
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| jacekowski | morning | 10:20 |
| scp1 | jpinx-eeepc, Yeah for sure. The only thing I'd done other then making the chroot was adding my friends number and changed the background. | 10:20 |
| jpinx-eeepc | did you try again? | 10:20 |
| scp1 | jpinx-eeepc, But maybe I just suck - though it told me 'SUCCESS' | 10:20 |
| scp1 | Hell no :) | 10:20 |
| scp1 | I almost shitted down my pants when the thing didnt boot | 10:21 |
| jacekowski | make a backup | 10:21 |
| jacekowski | then it's not going to be a problem | 10:21 |
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| jacekowski | it's almost impossible to brick n900 with a software | 10:21 |
| scp1 | Well - what should I backup, and how? And, uh, how do I restore it? | 10:21 |
| jacekowski | and almost means - OC | 10:21 |
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| jacekowski | there is backup app in menu | 10:22 |
| jacekowski | backup to memory card | 10:22 |
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| scp1 | Yeah. I thought that was just crap (they usually are) | 10:22 |
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| jacekowski | no it's not | 10:22 |
| scp1 | I'm not sure I need the chroot now though... I cant recall why I wanted it in the first place, hmm | 10:23 |
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| jpinx-eeepc | jacekowski: I've done it too :) | 10:23 |
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| merlin1991 | scp1, when I got my n900 I had the randomly rebooting firmware that didn't boot anymore after a specific amount of reboots, wich was reached after 1 day | 10:24 |
| scp1 | lol | 10:24 |
| jpinx-eeepc | merlin1991: gets all the toys :( | 10:24 |
| scp1 | I'm pretty used to flashing my hardware but I've never actually bricked anything - until the n900 | 10:24 |
| jpinx-eeepc | I had too make a special effort to brick mine | 10:25 |
| scp1 | if you even can call that bricked | 10:25 |
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| johnx | if it comes back without a JTAG I think it wasn't bricked | 10:25 |
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| merlin1991 | that brick was easy to fix though, flash to rd mode reboot porperly once and you got 21 crashboots again | 10:25 |
| scp1 | I forgot the rd mode when I flashed mine >_> | 10:26 |
| scp1 | Guess I'll have to reflash again | 10:26 |
| merlin1991 | but I had to try 3 pcs untill I finally could flash :D | 10:26 |
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| merlin1991 | for some reason on 2 the flasher never recognized the phone | 10:27 |
| scp1 | We're one bunch of cool guys, yes we are. Anyone experienced more girls surrounding him after he bought the n900? | 10:27 |
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| merlin1991 | uhm yeah 2 for about 4 seconds (quote: "uuuh you got a new phone") | 10:28 |
| merlin1991 | :D | 10:28 |
| MohammadAG51 | LOL | 10:28 |
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| crashanddie | and then you started with the "Yeah, it's awesome, it runs Linux" | 10:28 |
| crashanddie | At which point they evaporated | 10:28 |
| merlin1991 | I didn't even get that far :P | 10:28 |
| jpinx-eeepc | yea - until they take it in their hand and say "It's so HEAVY" | 10:28 |
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| scp1 | and then you replied 'and so are YOU' | 10:29 |
| crashanddie | "It has a lot of technology inside it, it has to be heavy" | 10:29 |
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| jpinx-eeepc | anyway - I'll go for the chroot again | 10:29 |
| crashanddie | "And it has a big battery to accomodate for the amazing uptime... [toing Low Battery]" | 10:29 |
| johnx | "Of course it's big and heavy: It's full of awesome!" | 10:29 |
| merlin1991 | LOL | 10:29 |
| frals | 'size matters' | 10:29 |
| MohammadAG51 | at least they all agree the vibra motor's strong | 10:29 |
| crashanddie | "It's so heavy" "Indeed, imagine that vibrating on your clit" | 10:30 |
| merlin1991 | somehow this is bash.org material :D | 10:30 |
| scp1 | I showed off yesterday, showing the girl I'm hitting on how I can remotely control every computer at home, showed her mutt and irssi, whereby she said 'But how do you call someone?' and I showed her ./call <number> and she was like ':C'. | 10:30 |
| crashanddie | I'm amazed there still isn't a vibrator mode on the N900 | 10:30 |
| johnx | does bash.org still get updated? somehow all the stuff on it seem to involve references to things that are not recent ... | 10:30 |
| koala_man | bash.org hasn't had anything new in months | 10:31 |
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| crashanddie | johnx: fancy writing an app that will vibrate specific patterns based on what texts you receive? | 10:31 |
| scp1 | crashanddie, what? I have lots of vibrations | 10:31 |
| crashanddie | johnx: the ranchier the words, the harder it vibrates | 10:31 |
| scp1 | ah | 10:31 |
| scp1 | :D | 10:31 |
| crashanddie | bonus points if we get text to speech included | 10:31 |
| scp1 | that's very much possible | 10:32 |
| MohammadAG51 | LOL, indeed | 10:32 |
| crashanddie | If you go back home, can't find your N900, but hear a buzzing sound coming from your wife's underside, punctuated by "I want to suck on your <muffled>" | 10:32 |
| crashanddie | Well, in that case I hope you have a lawyer | 10:32 |
| johnx | crashanddie, my wife says "That's awesome!" | 10:32 |
| crashanddie | johnx: there's actually a dildo with a SIM card | 10:33 |
| crashanddie | johnx: I'd hate to know the woman on which they did a "buffer overflow" | 10:33 |
| MohammadAG51 | /sys/class/leds/twl4030:vibrator | 10:33 |
| MohammadAG51 | echo 255 > /sys/class/leds/twl4030:vibrator/brightness | 10:33 |
| MohammadAG51 | that's your vibra mode crashanddie | 10:34 |
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| BugBlue | crashanddie: I do that all the time... *oops* | 10:34 |
| MohammadAG51 | install some otheros on the N900 and feel your N900 fall apart | 10:34 |
| crashanddie | johnx: actually, bonus points if you can get the accelerometer to detect an orgasm, and text it back to the "dude". If the other phone is an N900 too, play a sound "Mission accomplished" | 10:34 |
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| * merlin1991 wonders who it was that pointed him to the glib reference manual | 10:35 | |
| crashanddie | me | 10:35 |
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| merlin1991 | I read through ~20% of it already, time @ the army base can be boring :P | 10:36 |
| crashanddie | merlin1991: good on ya for not saying "who was that twat who pointed..." | 10:36 |
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| crashanddie | haha, just had a colleague swing by my office and ask "Could you do me... [turns head as someone called her]" me: "No problem, when and where?" her: "A favour... [confused look] [blushes] nevermind" | 10:37 |
| crashanddie | I've earned Pervert Level 1 in the company | 10:38 |
| merlin1991 | lol | 10:39 |
| johnx | crashanddie, FYI, in the US that'd probably earn you a sexual harassment lawsuit | 10:39 |
| crashanddie | which is why I'm happy not to be in France | 10:39 |
| crashanddie | s/France/the US of A/ | 10:39 |
| infobot | crashanddie meant: which is why I'm happy not to be in the US of A | 10:39 |
| merlin1991 | If you try to get a lawsuit through for that here, the judge probably asks you if you're crazy :D | 10:40 |
| Corsac | crashanddie: what was the original version? | 10:40 |
| crashanddie | Corsac: that was the original version | 10:40 |
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| crashanddie | (those two lines look weird) | 10:41 |
| Corsac | crashanddie: ho, didn't you were speaking english at work :) | 10:42 |
| crashanddie | Corsac: only with a couple of people | 10:42 |
| crashanddie | They want to improve their english, I don't mind. | 10:42 |
| merlin1991 | :D | 10:42 |
| * jpinx-eeepc is pretty much in English teaching mode 24/7 :/ | 10:42 | |
| johnx | "French: the language of love. English: the language of sexual harassment" | 10:43 |
| merlin1991 | German: mostly understood as constant swearing by non speakers | 10:44 |
| Corsac | crashanddie: yeah, I can see how you doing her is improving her tongue skills | 10:44 |
| johnx | swearing and or threats of violence | 10:44 |
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| crashanddie | Corsac: J'ai même pas encore osé faire la blague des "cours de langue" | 10:45 |
| merlin1991 | was auch immer | 10:46 |
| Corsac | pff :) | 10:46 |
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| alterego | good morning #maemo | 10:49 |
| merlin1991 | morning alterego | 10:49 |
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| alterego | Wow this coffee is awful :) | 10:50 |
| merlin1991 | hm "Sometimes you would like to dynamically create a mutex. If you don't want to require prior calling to g_thread_init(), because your code should also be usable in non-threaded programs, you are not able to use g_mutex_new() ", wait why would I need a mutex if I'm running a non threaded program? | 10:53 |
| MiXu- | The monday-morning-coffee is what reminds you that you're at work again. | 10:53 |
| crashanddie | merlin1991: that's only useful if the same codebase can run in multi-threaded mode or not | 10:55 |
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| crashanddie | merlin1991: for example, by default you run in single threaded mode, but have an option to enable multi-threaded | 10:56 |
| crashanddie | Useful for desktop apps considering there are so many different number of cores flying around | 10:56 |
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| Mece_ | ~seen Khertan | 11:06 |
| infobot | khertan <c16a270a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.193.106.39.10> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 3d 21h 31m 56s ago, saying: 'i ve already tryed :)'. | 11:06 |
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| infobot | khertan_work <c16a270a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.193.106.39.10> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 4d 23h 26m 50s ago, saying: 'bye'. | 11:09 |
| Mece_ | hmpf | 11:09 |
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| * merlin1991 is starting to wonder if he really wants to learn using the glib | 11:18 | |
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| alterego | Qt! :) | 11:18 |
| alterego | glib is quite cool though | 11:18 |
| merlin1991 | alterego, I'll learn qt too, I'm just not sure if I'm going to continue with glib :) | 11:19 |
| merlin1991 | btw can anyone recommend a good bock on opengl? | 11:19 |
| merlin1991 | s/bock/book | 11:19 |
| merlin1991 | s/bock/book/ | 11:19 |
| infobot | merlin1991 meant: s/book/book | 11:19 |
| merlin1991 | :D | 11:20 |
| alterego | OpenGL or OpenGL ES? | 11:20 |
| merlin1991 | OpenGL | 11:20 |
| alterego | Probably "The Red Book" | 11:21 |
| zokier | i've heard that the red book teaches a lot of legacy (opengl 1.x) stuff | 11:22 |
| alterego | IT does yes. | 11:22 |
| zokier | i'd get a book that focuses on modern opengl | 11:22 |
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| alterego | Even though it's concentrating on GLES2, I've got a really good book on it :) | 11:23 |
| alterego | Addison Wesley - OpenGL ES 2.0 Programming Guide | 11:23 |
| alterego | A lot of it is transferrablel to desktop GL | 11:24 |
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| merlin1991 | hm the cover isn't great ("includes iphone development") :D | 11:25 |
| alterego | Yeah, don't let that put you off ;) | 11:26 |
| jpinx-eeepc | easy-deb-chroot installed by hand ok - now getting the image and filesystem :) | 11:26 |
| merlin1991 | jpinx-eeepc, I installed it with ham :) | 11:26 |
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| jpinx-eeepc | merlin1991: my internet connection is by ssh over usb to my eeepc as a gateway to the local public wifi - and the guis app man in the n900 doesn't play with that :( | 11:28 |
| jpinx-eeepc | merlin1991: but now that the basics are installed, apt-get is doing fine at sorting out the rest | 11:28 |
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| merlin1991 | alterego, I ordered it on amazon | 11:30 |
| merlin1991 | jpinx-eeepc, why do you need the ssh tunnel? | 11:32 |
| jpinx-eeepc | long story.... | 11:32 |
| jpinx-eeepc | merlin1991: the wifi here is public unencrypted and only allows one device per username | 11:33 |
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| merlin1991 | yeah, but why ssh?, why not simply route the usb0 connection into the wifi network? | 11:34 |
| jpinx-eeepc | I am running the eeepc ont he wifi -- or am I missing what you mean? | 11:35 |
| merlin1991 | yeah | 11:35 |
| merlin1991 | run the eeepc on the wifi, and have it nat route the n900 into the wifi | 11:35 |
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| jpinx-eeepc | over usb? | 11:36 |
| merlin1991 | sure | 11:36 |
| merlin1991 | I did that even with win7 :) | 11:36 |
| jpinx-eeepc | heh | 11:36 |
| jpinx-eeepc | ok - can I come back later and pick your brains? I need to go outt to work now:( | 11:37 |
| kerio | KaKaRoTo: hey, Engadget is talking about you! :D | 11:37 |
| KaKaRoTo | kerio, again ??? | 11:37 |
| kerio | KaKaRoTo: http://www.engadget.com/2010/09/05/ps3-jailbreak-adapted-to-nokia-n900-palm-pre-in-wake-of-austral/ | 11:37 |
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| merlin1991 | jpinx-eeepc, sure | 11:38 |
| KaKaRoTo | kerio, oh yeah, it was this morning :) | 11:38 |
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| KaKaRoTo | kerio, I thought it was a new post about me since we just got it working on most HTC/android devices now :) | 11:38 |
| kerio | KaKaRoTo: you traitor :( | 11:38 |
| KaKaRoTo | lol | 11:39 |
| KaKaRoTo | I wrote open source code | 11:39 |
| KaKaRoTo | people contributed | 11:39 |
| KaKaRoTo | + to get it on the droid, they just had to do type 'make' instead of android's sdk.. no changes were required.... | 11:39 |
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| KaKaRoTo | kerio, but for android they need to flash a new kernel :p | 11:40 |
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| kerio | whew | 11:40 |
| kerio | you should've used as many features of the n900 as possible :< | 11:40 |
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| alterego | Updated Qt Creator | 11:46 |
| crashanddie | Anyone know a good C++ editor for OSX? (Compiling Linux code, though) | 11:46 |
| merlin1991 | I broke mine the last time I used the updater | 11:46 |
| crashanddie | And don't mention Eclipse. | 11:46 |
| alterego | crashanddie: Qt Creator? :) | 11:47 |
| crashanddie | I said C++, not Qt :P | 11:47 |
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| alterego | Does C++, don't have to use Qt | 11:47 |
| zokier | vim, textmate, emacs? | 11:48 |
| alterego | gedit? :) | 11:48 |
| crashanddie | vim is what I use at the moment | 11:48 |
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| lpotter | I use emacs in a vim window, in an emacs window | 11:59 |
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| keesj | grrrr. the N900 really doesn't like watet at all | 12:16 |
| keesj | did anybody sent his n900 back for repair? | 12:16 |
| ShadowJK | few reåair water damage even for money :( | 12:17 |
| ShadowJK | repair* | 12:17 |
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| keesj | I don't care I just want at least one device that fully work. | 12:17 |
| * merlin1991 did, but not for water, but a broken emmc | 12:18 | |
| keesj | I stil have two devices , one with SD not working and one with WIFI not working. | 12:19 |
| keesj | I tried the drain in water + oven method and that recovered the WIFI-less one for one day and now the WIFI is not working again | 12:20 |
| keesj | the other one the non working SD is hopeless I guess | 12:20 |
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| jpinx-eeepc | cool - it's temporrarily bricked while it munches that monster chroot package download - I'll leave it and come back after work | 12:21 |
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| ShadowJK | keesj, have you heard of the "drain in ethanold + oven" method? :-) | 12:22 |
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| LOD | hey | 12:24 |
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| LOD | Xchat for N900 stops to work today for me with no reason it seems :( internal error when auth ; any idea to solve that ? | 12:25 |
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| jpinx-eeepc | LOD: use irssi ;) | 12:26 |
| LOD | I like Xchat a lot | 12:26 |
| LOD | but maybe a solution yes | 12:27 |
| keesj | ethanol will probably dilue the stiker that holds the keyboard | 12:27 |
| jpinx-eeepc | I like paris hilton a lot :) | 12:27 |
| LOD | hehe :D | 12:27 |
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| keesj | screen + irssi is really the only "great" solution for chatting I know of. but perhaps there are good irc relay's that can connect to xchat | 12:28 |
| jpinx-eeepc | keesj: add bitlbee | 12:28 |
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| bleader | apparently Quassel IRC works with a client/server to allow the same kind of thing as screen, but I never tried it myself | 12:29 |
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| MNZ | morning folks | 12:52 |
| marmoute | gug | 12:53 |
| LOD | ok, solved, Ive deleted all setting files and it runs again, thank you bye | 12:57 |
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| lcuk | morning MNZ and #maemo in general | 12:59 |
| soltys | morning | 12:59 |
| danielwilms | morning lcuk | 13:00 |
| lcuk | hey danielwilms \o | 13:01 |
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| lcuk | I thought about your running exploits when I read this, thankfully I don't think your technology failed like this http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-11191700 | 13:02 |
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| danielwilms | uhhhh | 13:03 |
| danielwilms | that sounds bad :) | 13:03 |
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| lcuk | danielwilms, its a lot of extra work, makes you wonder how marathons used to be timed before electronic tagging! | 13:03 |
| danielwilms | hehe...I run smaller marathons, and there they are having paperlists | 13:04 |
| danielwilms | and 2-3 guys counting the laps | 13:04 |
| danielwilms | but there are mostly <50 participants | 13:04 |
| lcuk | yeah | 13:06 |
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| TTilus | # apt-get install sharing-service-evernote just says "E: Handler silently failed" | 13:38 |
| TTilus | whats going on? | 13:38 |
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| lcuk | TTilus, does it install from ham | 13:39 |
| TTilus | will try | 13:39 |
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| Khertan_ | Morning all ! | 13:40 |
| Khertan_ | crashanddie: ping | 13:40 |
| crashanddie | Khertan_: pong | 13:40 |
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| crashanddie | Khertan_: t'as de la chance, je viens de revenir au bureau | 13:40 |
| Khertan_ | :) | 13:40 |
| Khertan_ | j'ai besoin de ton aide avec des regex | 13:40 |
| Khertan_ | je me galere comme un porc | 13:41 |
| TTilus | lcuk: umm, it is not even listed in ham, or im being blind | 13:41 |
| lcuk | hmm TTilus | 13:41 |
| mece | Khertan_: hey | 13:43 |
| mece | Khertan_: khteditor 0.4 seems broken | 13:43 |
| Khertan_ | mece: you lie :) | 13:44 |
| Khertan_ | mece: what is broken ? | 13:44 |
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| Khertan_ | mece: for information i'm currently working on hilighting natively other language instead of using pygments | 13:45 |
| Khertan_ | mece: this is why i ask help to crashanddie as i've some problem with regexp :) | 13:46 |
| merlin1991 | okay I've read trough most of the glib documentation, now I only have to read the gio and gobject one too untill I can start working on my program, yay :/ | 13:46 |
| MNZ | merlin1991, what's your program? | 13:48 |
| merlin1991 | xfire protocal for telepathy | 13:48 |
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| merlin1991 | hm is libgio merged into glib on maemo? because pkg-config --cflags gio-2.0 in scratchbox returns -I/usr/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/lib/glib-2.0/include | 14:00 |
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| ruskie | merlin1991, I thought it was part of glib2 everywhere | 14:00 |
| ruskie | does the same on any other normal desktop system I use | 14:01 |
| merlin1991 | hm on my ubuntu it does this instead: -I/usr/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/lib/glib-2.0/include | 14:01 |
| ruskie | erm... | 14:01 |
| ruskie | and there's a difference where exactly? | 14:01 |
| merlin1991 | that I failed to copy | 14:02 |
| merlin1991 | :D | 14:02 |
| ruskie | anyway a lot of distros tend to patch ton of stuff around | 14:02 |
| ruskie | just grab an upstream copy and examine | 14:02 |
| TTilus | lcuk: damn! "package has been removed" | 14:03 |
| TTilus | http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_nokia-applications_explicit_armel/sharing-service-evernote/0.5.0/ | 14:03 |
| TTilus | how does it still show up on apt-cache search? | 14:04 |
| ruskie | when was the last time you ran an apt-get update? | 14:04 |
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| crashanddie | because it's a cache? | 14:04 |
| TTilus | about 25 seconds ago | 14:04 |
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| TTilus | crashanddie: i flashed PR1.2 two weeks ago, the package has been removed last spring | 14:05 |
| ruskie | and you can verify it's not in the distro pages and that the packages have been regeneretade etc??? | 14:05 |
| TTilus | ruskie: how do i do that? | 14:05 |
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| ruskie | check on repository.maemo.org iirc | 14:05 |
| ruskie | also it would show it if it's installed | 14:06 |
| ruskie | I think | 14:06 |
| MohammadAG51 | If osso = open source software operations, how the f was bug 5549 wonfix'd | 14:06 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5549 libosso-abook should be open source | 14:06 |
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| ruskie | MohammadAG51, clearly states they don't want to touch anything maemo related anymore | 14:08 |
| kke | so anyone thinking about adding vibration and perhaps raise a notify on ctrl-g bell to xterm? | 14:09 |
| kke | that would be great | 14:09 |
| TTilus | ruskie: umm, can't find evernote sharing plugin in http://repository.maemo.org/ | 14:09 |
| ruskie | well as said... could be due to you having it installed or the Packages file not yet being regenerated | 14:10 |
| TTilus | any way to find out why it was removed? | 14:14 |
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| TTilus | oh my, evernote sharing plugin lives now in ovi store | 14:20 |
| ruskie | that explains why it was removed ;) | 14:20 |
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| TTilus | kinda | 14:21 |
| TTilus | but afaik i should still be able to ham (or apt-get) it | 14:21 |
| ruskie | they fixed that iirc | 14:21 |
| TTilus | why else would i have ovi listed in my sourcers | 14:22 |
| TTilus | ruskie: "fixed"? | 14:22 |
| TTilus | what? | 14:22 |
| ruskie | you can't get stuff from ovi store unless you actually use the ovi store to get them | 14:22 |
| TTilus | apparently neither ham nor apt-get from ovi does not work for me | 14:23 |
| ruskie | it was possible to bypass payment through apt-get | 14:23 |
| TTilus | :D | 14:23 |
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| ruskie | as said... it got fixed | 14:23 |
| TTilus | and what i see is the fixed :D | 14:23 |
| TTilus | ..functionality | 14:23 |
| TTilus | dysfunctionality ;) | 14:24 |
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| hrw | rmrfchik: how goes vexed? | 14:27 |
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| psycho_oreos | who here knows about kernel compiling/customising for n900? I'm trying to look for the section where it allows one to enable screen rotation based of accelerometer, for some reason it was working on a standard titan's kernel but when one customises the config it doesn't | 14:38 |
| alterego | Sounds like you might have lost the accelerometer driver somewhere. | 14:39 |
| alterego | check your .config | 14:39 |
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| SpeedEvil | psycho_oreos: http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Accelerometer | 14:39 |
| SpeedEvil | cat /sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-3/3-001d/coord | 14:39 |
| SpeedEvil | If that file - or the directory it's in ispresent, then thedriver is enabled. | 14:40 |
| psycho_oreos | SpeedEvil, ahh ta :) | 14:40 |
| alterego | iPlayer looks nicer now. | 14:41 |
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| SpeedEvil | I just use get_iplayer | 14:42 |
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| pupnik | http://creativetone.deviantart.com/#/d2vuihx Mypaint + Nokia N900 painting (!) | 14:52 |
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| mece | hey about mypaint, how does one get a file format one can use? | 14:53 |
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| ech0Asus | mornin all | 14:57 |
| mece | 'ello | 14:57 |
| merlin1991 | hey | 14:58 |
| SpeedEvil | ho | 14:58 |
| ech0Asus | so whats everyone up to today? | 14:58 |
| psycho_oreos | << kernel compiling for n900 | 14:58 |
| kerio | << playing sauerbraten | 14:59 |
| ech0Asus | i'm pulling 250kbs downstream on tmobile 10$ a month 3g lol | 14:59 |
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| ech0Asus | but i'm also on the 3rd story of a hotel | 15:00 |
| obsidieth | faster than my dsl. | 15:00 |
| kerio | wait, 250KB/s is a lot? | 15:00 |
| ech0Asus | yea its goin fast man lol | 15:00 |
| psycho_oreos | how much quota will $10 a month get you? | 15:00 |
| bleader | Kb or KB is quite different | 15:00 |
| kerio | 600-700 is normal around here :| | 15:00 |
| ech0Asus | i get unlimited | 15:00 |
| kerio | and i mean KB/s | 15:00 |
| bleader | over 3G ? | 15:00 |
| MNZ | kerio, as in KiloBYTE ? | 15:00 |
| kerio | yeah | 15:00 |
| ech0Asus | yea i'm on 3g | 15:01 |
| kerio | kilobyte | 15:01 |
| kerio | yu | 15:01 |
| kerio | p | 15:01 |
| obsidieth | 250KiB is not unusual for 3g. | 15:01 |
| psycho_oreos | d*mn thats good, here its never unlimited for 3G | 15:01 |
| kerio | hsdpa rules | 15:01 |
| obsidieth | the bandwidth is heavily metred here. | 15:01 |
| ech0Asus | this service plan only works with nokia n900 lol | 15:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | o/ | 15:01 |
| MohammadAG51 | is there any way to use the N900 as a BT headset? | 15:01 |
| MohammadAG51 | o hai DocScrutinizer | 15:02 |
| MNZ | \o DocScrutinizer | 15:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | rcnetwork force-reload :-S | 15:02 |
| psycho_oreos | MohammadAG51, dunno but I suppose you could switch the roles of the bluetooth to be slave, getting the stuff to work properly probably requires some apps | 15:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer | (there's definitely anotehr few bugs in linux :-P) | 15:03 |
| psycho_oreos | there's always bugs, its built for humans by humans :p | 15:03 |
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| kerio | psycho_oreos: you'd just need a A2DP "server" | 15:05 |
| kerio | or HFP | 15:05 |
| psycho_oreos | kerio, heh I'm pretty clueless on that, sure its possible just need the right apps like I said :) | 15:06 |
| kerio | well, yeah | 15:06 |
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| kerio | but why would you | 15:07 |
| * psycho_oreos thinks its a little rather unusual one tries to turn n900 into bt headset lol maybe doing it on budget | 15:07 | |
| kerio | since the audio system of the n900 kinda sucks atm? | 15:07 |
| psycho_oreos | well it is based on pulseaudio so ... ;D | 15:07 |
| kerio | a pair of bluetooth headphones (stereo) costs about 50€ anyway | 15:08 |
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| kerio | i bought one pair, sony dr-bt100cx | 15:08 |
| kerio | they work nicely | 15:08 |
| psycho_oreos | I got myself that bh-905 | 15:08 |
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| kerio | i wear glasses, i can't wear those kind of headphones | 15:10 |
| kerio | i need earbuds | 15:10 |
| kerio | sadly | 15:10 |
| psycho_oreos | heh I wear glasses as well, and I was hoping it would be as big as a studio monitor type headphones, unfortunately it just sits on top of my ears... loosely | 15:10 |
| kerio | those bt100cx have a clip that holds mic and buttons | 15:11 |
| MohammadAG51 | psycho_oreos, nah, i just need 4 BT mics and i'm not going to buy one for a one day thing :P | 15:11 |
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| psycho_oreos | MohammadAG51, ah | 15:12 |
| kerio | which sadly, doesn't work really well for tshirts | 15:12 |
| kerio | MohammadAG51: a2dp? | 15:13 |
| kerio | hfp? | 15:13 |
| kerio | hsp? | 15:13 |
| kerio | no, wait, a2dp is only listening | 15:13 |
| kerio | bt mics suck dude | 15:13 |
| psycho_oreos | hsp probably requires both headphone and mic hardware imo | 15:14 |
| alterego | Hrm | 15:14 |
| kerio | psycho_oreos: hey, what do you know | 15:14 |
| kerio | the n900 has a speaker and a mic | 15:14 |
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| psycho_oreos | kerio, yup because it has phone capability afterall :) | 15:15 |
| kerio | it's not a phone ;_; | 15:15 |
| kerio | it's a NIT | 15:15 |
| * kerio feels superior to all those people having smartphones | 15:15 | |
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| psycho_oreos | I didn't say it was a phone, I said it has phone capability lol | 15:16 |
| psycho_oreos | albeit feeble -_- | 15:16 |
| ech0Asus | so its officially a "NIT"? | 15:17 |
| psycho_oreos | and yes I'm happy to still own my very own n900, looks bulky for a phone but otherwise it packs some seriously decent hardware (except broadcrap bt and puny battery) plus all the flexibility you want from an embedded device more or less | 15:17 |
| BCMM | what does that stand for? | 15:17 |
| kerio | nokia internet tablet | 15:17 |
| ech0Asus | lol | 15:18 |
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| BCMM | and do they know that, at least in en_GB, a "nit" is a headlouse's egg? | 15:18 |
| ech0Asus | i just call it my computer | 15:18 |
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| psycho_oreos | so nitdroid would be headlouse's egg droid? ;) | 15:18 |
| BCMM | i've found myself interchangebly referring to it as my "phone", "computer" or "camera", without really meaning to | 15:19 |
| ech0Asus | its got a processor.. ram.. ssd.. it's a computer lol | 15:19 |
| kerio | it's not a smartphone it's a dumbputer | 15:19 |
| djszapi | Hi, can I have a workaround if I would not like to install debian related distribution on my PC to work with maemo and meego debian packages that are not available in open source format ? I am using archlinux currently. | 15:19 |
| psycho_oreos | internet tablet/tablet is meant to have a processor and RAM, etc lol | 15:19 |
| kerio | djszapi: vm? | 15:19 |
| BCMM | washing machines are computers too, but they don't make it easy to run whatever you want on them | 15:19 |
| djszapi | kerio: what's the sense of that ? | 15:19 |
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| kerio | virtual machine | 15:20 |
| djszapi | kerio: what's the sense of that ? | 15:20 |
| BCMM | therefore, the n900 is a proper computer, and the iPhone is a washing machine | 15:20 |
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| kerio | BCMM: i <3 u | 15:20 |
| djszapi | I thought of rebuilding apt-get from source | 15:20 |
| BCMM | kerio: thx | 15:20 |
| djszapi | or providing a debian chroot. | 15:20 |
| ech0Asus | agree with BCMM... | 15:20 |
| djszapi | vm is out of the question of course. | 15:20 |
| ech0Asus | i heard u can dosbox 98.. | 15:20 |
| psycho_oreos | there was a website to prove it | 15:21 |
| psycho_oreos | err win95 on n900 | 15:21 |
| BCMM | "computer appliances" upset me in any context, tbh | 15:21 |
| BCMM | seems like a dreadful waste of resources | 15:21 |
| ech0Asus | yea maybe for some games but really? why go threw that | 15:21 |
| psycho_oreos | some people do it to show off I suppose | 15:21 |
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| BCMM | i mean, even stuff like linux-based NAS boxen that don't make it easy to run random server software they weren't designed for upset me a bit | 15:22 |
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| kerio | BCMM: that's why you buy a sheevaplug | 15:23 |
| psycho_oreos | n900 to me is more of internet tablet with phone capability, sure its doesn't have the best of both worlds but at least its all in one for that purpose | 15:23 |
| MohammadAG51 | i don't need the speakers, i only need the mic on the N900 to be a BT mic :) | 15:23 |
| psycho_oreos | lol rip the mic out ;) | 15:24 |
| psycho_oreos | </stupid_joke> | 15:24 |
| ech0Asus | i owned the n800 and n810 before the n900 so i'm strait without the phone part lol. i got an old sim card months expired that i still leach tmobile 3g from.. | 15:24 |
| ech0Asus | i skype on that connection too without issue usually | 15:25 |
| pupnik | cool | 15:25 |
| psycho_oreos | n900 is the first nit I've ever owned, and its quite a shame maemo is going to be unsupported soon | 15:25 |
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| MohammadAG51 | if only apple had maemo and kept it open... | 15:26 |
| psycho_oreos | my requirements was a linux phone but not like android, and out came the decision of maemo | 15:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | ech0Asus: waitwaitwait, you run data over an expired SIM? | 15:27 |
| psycho_oreos | apple is kinda like oracle, turning open stuff into proprietary :p | 15:27 |
| ech0Asus | yes i run data over an expired sim lol | 15:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | ech0Asus: what's your def of expired then? | 15:27 |
| ech0Asus | i'm pullin 250kbs downstream now | 15:27 |
| psycho_oreos | probably when the service is fully disconnected and he doesn't get any signal/coverage | 15:27 |
| ech0Asus | exp is i got a prepaid tmo account then didn't pay the next month or any month after? | 15:27 |
| psycho_oreos | lol | 15:27 |
| ech0Asus | no more minutes.. can't call anyone.. | 15:28 |
| pupnik | nice | 15:28 |
| ech0Asus | no one can call me.. | 15:28 |
| pupnik | wow | 15:28 |
| ech0Asus | but 3g works | 15:28 |
| pupnik | little loophole there :) | 15:28 |
| ech0Asus | and i pay nothing and seems to still be goin | 15:28 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ech0Asus: for free?? | 15:28 |
| pupnik | for the record tschibo/o2 stop the data service | 15:28 |
| MohammadAG51 | LOL @ retarded operator | 15:28 |
| pupnik | tchibo | 15:29 |
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| ech0Asus | i skype perfectly on it.. | 15:29 |
| MohammadAG51 | clone the sim | 15:29 |
| MohammadAG51 | CLONE IT | 15:29 |
| ech0Asus | haha | 15:29 |
| MNZ | I WANT TMOBILE | 15:29 |
| MohammadAG51 | hmm | 15:29 |
| MohammadAG51 | i wonder if roaming works | 15:30 |
| psycho_oreos | I want that unlimited 3G cap | 15:30 |
| ech0Asus | i had bought the unlimited 3g prepaid was like 100$ for first month then paid nothing else on the account again. | 15:30 |
| ech0Asus | was with the phone thing | 15:30 |
| ech0Asus | unlimited calling and text | 15:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | incredible | 15:31 |
| * mgedmin is going to Germany for a week and wondering about 3g options | 15:31 | |
| kerio | MNZ: pff | 15:31 |
| ech0Asus | got joikuspot and i share with my netbook which i'm on now | 15:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | ech0Asus: NEVER!!!!!! call the hotline, what ever problem you face! also NEVER pay anything to that card! :-P | 15:32 |
| ech0Asus | streaming music from last.fm and talkin on xchat on my netbook | 15:32 |
| ech0Asus | nope never goin to pay anything on this card lol | 15:32 |
| ech0Asus | i got a cricket phone i pay 30 a month for | 15:32 |
| ech0Asus | umlimited lol | 15:32 |
| kerio | in italy you just buy a bunch of anonymous, prepaid sim cards and connect with them until they reach -4000€ | 15:33 |
| kerio | then you throw them away | 15:33 |
| kerio | i mean, nowadays anonymous sim cards cost a lot | 15:33 |
| kerio | but still | 15:33 |
| MNZ | ech0Asus, are you sure you can't clone? pretty please? | 15:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | kerio: in italy you also have your elctricity meters hanging head down, and a knife in every gas meter | 15:34 |
| kerio | nah, we don't :( | 15:34 |
| * lcuk sends mail to tracy about kylie tickets | 15:34 | |
| kerio | but the slightly older model of electricity meter can be reprogrammed with a IR port to get to 6KW instead of 3 | 15:35 |
| kerio | without paying more | 15:35 |
| kerio | also, stealing electricity is dumb | 15:35 |
| kerio | you can't store it | 15:35 |
| SpeedEvil | kerio: yes you can | 15:35 |
| SpeedEvil | kerio: In the form of pot. | 15:35 |
| MNZ | you definitely can! | 15:35 |
| kerio | how? buying loads of batteries? | 15:35 |
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| MNZ | no, just one big ass battery | 15:36 |
| SpeedEvil | Large lamps + plants = solid electricity! | 15:36 |
| merlin1991 | kerio, pumping water up a mountain, and have a turbine ready when you need it :D | 15:36 |
| kerio | lol | 15:36 |
| BCMM | loads of batteries is the same thing as one big battery | 15:36 |
| MNZ | like the stuff used for solar panels | 15:36 |
| BCMM | also, pumping water up and then letting it run through a turbine is actually a real energy storage thing that people actually do | 15:36 |
| merlin1991 | yeah | 15:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | kerio: reprogram wut?` 3kW -> 6kW??? | 15:36 |
| merlin1991 | loads of that shit here in austria | 15:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | what's that?? | 15:36 |
| SpeedEvil | BCMM: Well - not really. | 15:37 |
| SpeedEvil | BCMM: It doesn't work on an individual scale. | 15:37 |
| BCMM | SpeedEvil: which bit? | 15:37 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer: the standard limit is 3kwh | 15:37 |
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| kerio | if you want more, you have to pay a lot more | 15:37 |
| BCMM | yeah, it's not something people do to power their homes | 15:37 |
| SpeedEvil | BCMM: A ton of water raised 1m stores the same energy as a n900 battery | 15:37 |
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| DocScrutinizer | kerio: sorry don't get it | 15:37 |
| SpeedEvil | kerio: 'the limit is 3kwh' - per day? | 15:37 |
| BCMM | but there are people operating hydro dams that work by pumping water up using off-peak electricity and then letting it down to sell peak-time electricity | 15:37 |
| mgedmin | so if you're in a desert, and have your n900 with you, you just dig a 1m deep hole and you're alright? | 15:38 |
| kerio | SpeedEvil: huh | 15:38 |
| kerio | per.. hour? | 15:38 |
| kerio | kw/h | 15:38 |
| BCMM | SpeedEvil: heh, that's cool | 15:38 |
| MohammadAG51 | hmm | 15:38 |
| MohammadAG51 | grub isn't starting :/ | 15:38 |
| SpeedEvil | kerio: 3Kwh/h = 3Kw silly person. | 15:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | kerio: yur meters break circuit when >3000W ? | 15:38 |
| MNZ | lol @ mgedmin | 15:38 |
| kerio | yeah | 15:38 |
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| kerio | well, it's not exactly 3000 | 15:39 |
| kerio | there's some tolerance | 15:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | W*T*F??! | 15:39 |
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| kerio | why would you need more than 3kW | 15:39 |
| SpeedEvil | kerio: Are you charged on the basis of peak power? | 15:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | my warm water takes 24kW | 15:39 |
| SpeedEvil | kerio: Or is it an additional price. | 15:39 |
| SpeedEvil | kerio: Per KWh | 15:39 |
| psycho_oreos | is there a way for one to repack a deb file adding another file into it but retaining the same information of the deb file? | 15:39 |
| kerio | SpeedEvil: we're charged per kwh | 15:39 |
| kerio | period | 15:40 |
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| SpeedEvil | kerio: So why the 3/6kw ? | 15:40 |
| kerio | so you can run more stuff at the same time | 15:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | kommi deficit economy | 15:40 |
| kerio | think washing machine + a/c + oven | 15:40 |
| merlin1991 | kerio, more than 3kw, sauna? | 15:40 |
| kerio | merlin1991: haha, no | 15:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | nah wait berlusconi isn't a kommi | 15:40 |
| kerio | we actually have the sun here | 15:40 |
| SpeedEvil | merlin: A fridge/freezer will peak at 1KWh | 15:40 |
| SpeedEvil | merlin: for a second or so on startup. | 15:41 |
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| BCMM | while checking SpeedEvil's claim on Wolfram Alpha: "Assuming "mAh" is a unit | Use as a deity instead" | 15:41 |
| mece | yo | 15:41 |
| mece | sooo.. | 15:41 |
| mece | pptp on N900 doable? | 15:41 |
| * DocScrutinizer is puzzled, as here in Germany >95% of elctricity meters are still classic mechanical type | 15:42 | |
| merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer, here too | 15:42 |
| MNZ | here too | 15:42 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer: yeah, we had those | 15:43 |
| kerio | we still have, but the new meters are more precise | 15:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer | and nasty :-P | 15:43 |
| kerio | yeah | 15:43 |
| SpeedEvil | err | 15:44 |
| kerio | nah, the latest model is not easily configurable | 15:44 |
| kerio | :( | 15:44 |
| SpeedEvil | Sigh | 15:44 |
| SpeedEvil | 'will peak at 1Kw' | 15:44 |
| SpeedEvil | I'm tired. | 15:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'm not awake | 15:44 |
| kerio | are you typing in your sleep? | 15:44 |
| kerio | :o | 15:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep | 15:45 |
| kerio | cool | 15:45 |
| merlin1991 | I'm in the army atm, so basically braindead :D | 15:45 |
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| DocScrutinizer | kerio: like a dolphin, half of brain is idle | 15:45 |
| BCMM | physicist rage... "This long-lasting, lightweight Li-Ion battery gives you 1320 mAh of power" | 15:46 |
| * BCMM throws things at Nokia Europe | 15:46 | |
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| merlin1991 | damn it, I forgot to enable logging on this client | 15:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | eh? | 15:47 |
| BCMM | not a power, and not even an energy (the actually useful number) without the voltage | 15:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | ok | 15:47 |
| kerio | hehe | 15:48 |
| kerio | voltage goes down over time though, doesn't it | 15:48 |
| MohammadAG | merlin1991, #maemo is logged | 15:48 |
| Shadikka | I think it has an implied "at the battery's nominal voltage". | 15:48 |
| BCMM | kerio: slightly, but it's nominally a 3.7V battery, and once it drops substantially, you need to recharge | 15:49 |
| merlin1991 | MohammadAG, yeah, but it's easier to grep trough local files | 15:49 |
| BCMM | the problem is that a number in mAh doesn't actually tell you how much energy there is in the battery, at all | 15:49 |
| BCMM | i presume the reason it's a standard is that it's good for comparing car batteries, since cars are basically all 12V | 15:49 |
| Shadikka | yeah :P | 15:49 |
| BCMM | and the other problem is that they call the number they're using as a poor proxy for energy storage "power" | 15:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | BCMM: for tools they brag with "this has a 7 cell battery" and "this even has 8 cells" | 15:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | how silly is THAT? | 15:50 |
| BCMM | slightly less silly, but still silly | 15:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer | but, but... | 15:52 |
| zokier | some manufacturers tell battery capacities in Wh, which is bit more reasonable | 15:52 |
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| DocScrutinizer | actually all do, *somewhere* | 15:52 |
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| mgedmin | all laptop batteries I've seen report mWh | 15:52 |
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| psycho_oreos | SpeedEvil, weird for some reason microB still doesn't offer portrait web browsing even though I have the device driver compiled into the kernel, I have tested the line that you have pasted and it does output co-ordinates, using AccDisplay I could see that the accelerometer is working however it seems like microB still refuses to rotate :/ | 15:52 |
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| mgedmin | except the one in my Asus EeePC abuses that field to report percentage | 15:53 |
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| SpeedEvil | Umm - I don't think microb does by default rotati | 15:53 |
| SpeedEvil | rotate | 15:53 |
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| SpeedEvil | I'm not sure it can with accel. | 15:53 |
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| psycho_oreos | well normally it can, on stock PR1.2 kernel along with precompiled titan's power kernel it does | 15:54 |
| merlin1991 | microb never rotated for me | 15:54 |
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| flux | psycho_oreos, did you also enable it from the settings? | 15:55 |
| BCMM | it is definitely off by default | 15:55 |
| flux | psycho_oreos, or is that the issue, it doesn't provide the option? | 15:55 |
| psycho_oreos | flux, just checked that *slaps forehead* | 15:55 |
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| BCMM | actually, my microb seems to forget most of it's data about once a week | 15:55 |
| psycho_oreos | flux, yeah I didn't enable it *duh* of all the things | 15:55 |
| BCMM | bookmarks stay, but it loses history and settings | 15:55 |
| BCMM | (including rotation) | 15:55 |
| psycho_oreos | merlin1991, looks like its the settings | 15:55 |
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| BCMM | anyone else get that? | 15:55 |
| psycho_oreos | I may have an issue with the settings, I don't know about the history, lemme check | 15:56 |
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| merlin1991 | psycho_oreos, yes it's in the settings, I just enabled it | 15:56 |
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| merlin1991 | uh oh, the ball bearing of my notebook fan just started to change it's noise in a bad way | 15:57 |
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| psycho_oreos | BCMM, I didn't lose the complete browsing history however anything past a week in the history is truncated (I guess its to save space) but sometimes browsing back pages using the swipe function does not go to whichever page I point to at times | 15:58 |
| psycho_oreos | merlin1991, still no rotation? | 15:58 |
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| BCMM | hmm | 15:58 |
| merlin1991 | psycho_oreos, now I have rotation | 15:58 |
| BCMM | for me, it definitely loses settings | 15:58 |
| BCMM | since rotation gets disabled and it start starting up fullscreen again | 15:59 |
| psycho_oreos | merlin1991, hehe :) | 15:59 |
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| psycho_oreos | BCMM, weird, I know in the past I used to have rotation enabled but I've done lots and lots of kernel flashing since then.. some of the experimental features I've enabled caused my n900 to reboot several times and to lose its previous settings.. I've noticed my hildon-desktop at one stage lost all of the shortcuts, widgets that I have placed, thinking back now about it, I think the portrait mode browsing may have been disabled since then | 16:00 |
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| merlin1991 | hm easiest way to check cpu temp on ubuntu? | 16:02 |
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| psycho_oreos | lmsensors + gkrellm | 16:02 |
| zokier | cat /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/THM0/temperature | 16:02 |
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| zokier | or something equivalent | 16:03 |
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| merlin1991 | thx zokier | 16:03 |
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| merlin1991 | 43C, should be ok | 16:04 |
| luke-jr | pekuja: you need to be a decision maker, to open source the driver | 16:04 |
| pekuja | luke-jr, right | 16:04 |
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| dneary | Hi all | 16:06 |
| dneary | Jaffa_, Ping? | 16:06 |
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| Chibi-Taiga | humm can anyone help me to install unzip? cuz it keep failing | 16:18 |
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| Aranel | what's wrong with python-Imaging? I'm installing openwatch (depends on python-Imaging) but it seems package manager is really confused about case-sensitivity (python-imaging and Imaging) | 16:20 |
| mgedmin | Debian package names are (supposed to be) all-lowercase | 16:22 |
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| rmrfchik | Chibi-Taiga: what error? | 16:22 |
| mgedmin | some tools force names to lowercase, some don't mangle names -> so if you name a package using mixed case, things break | 16:22 |
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| Chibi-Taiga | how do i copy/paste from webrowser to xchat on n900 | 16:31 |
| ieatlint | go into cursor mode, select text, ctrl+c, then in xchat ctrl+v | 16:32 |
| alterego | Hrm, contemplating using gconf over QSettings .. | 16:33 |
| FrieT | MNZ: got the stuff ?:) | 16:33 |
| MNZ | FrieT, yup, and it's not nearly as complicated as I originally thought :D | 16:33 |
| ieatlint | if you don't know what i mean by cursor mode, see http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Shortcuts_and_Gestures#Web_Browser_Gestures (labelled hover mode there) | 16:33 |
| FrieT | wow | 16:33 |
| MNZ | quite a bit more | 16:34 |
| FrieT | you downloaded ànd read it already? | 16:34 |
| * FrieT bows | 16:34 | |
| MNZ | I think you missed the last message | 16:34 |
| MNZ | <MNZ> quite a bit more | 16:34 |
| FrieT | welll | 16:34 |
| FrieT | "started to read" | 16:34 |
| FrieT | seriously i'm barely past my morning coffee and replacing some faulty disks:P | 16:34 |
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| Chibi-Taiga | http://a.imageshack.us/img26/8387/screenshot2010090615054.png | 16:34 |
| Chibi-Taiga | that error | 16:35 |
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| kerio | hi all | 16:36 |
| kerio | how do i set up a bluetooth keyboard? | 16:36 |
| ieatlint | Chibi-Taiga: try manually specifying the dependencies? | 16:36 |
| Chibi-Taiga | huh? | 16:36 |
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| ieatlint | eg, "apt-get install libsdl-ttf2.0" | 16:36 |
| ieatlint | for each of the packages listed | 16:36 |
| Chibi-Taiga | ok ill try | 16:37 |
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| ieatlint | kerio: http://wiki.maemo.org/Fremantle_Unsupported_Bluetooth_profiles#Bluetooth_Keyboard might help | 16:39 |
| ieatlint | good start at least | 16:39 |
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| Chibi-Taiga | no luck | 16:40 |
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| Chibi-Taiga | also tryed -f | 16:40 |
| ieatlint | what error? | 16:40 |
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| Chibi-Taiga | http://img827.imageshack.us/i/screenshot2010090615074.png/ | 16:42 |
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| ieatlint | that would imply that the dependencies are in fact installed, but there's inconsistencies with the names | 16:43 |
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| ieatlint | like "libSDL_ttf2.0" instead of "libsdl-ttf2.0" | 16:44 |
| Chibi-Taiga | uhm k... | 16:44 |
| Chibi-Taiga | what can i do about it? | 16:45 |
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| ieatlint | hrm.. i'm not typically a debian user, but there should be a switch to ignore dependencies | 16:45 |
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| Chibi-Taiga | k | 16:46 |
| ieatlint | "--ignore-missing" maybe | 16:46 |
| MohammadAG | grr, can't ssh locally | 16:46 |
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| ieatlint | the problem seems to be that you have the dependencies installed, but from different packages than what freeciv thinks they should be in. apt won't install the dependencies named by freeciv because the clobber the already installed dependencies | 16:47 |
| Chibi-Taiga | uhm i can try | 16:47 |
| ieatlint | so it *might* work to just ignore dependency requisites, and install the package | 16:47 |
| Chibi-Taiga | i see | 16:47 |
| Chibi-Taiga | ohwell | 16:48 |
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| ieatlint | isn't linux fun? | 16:49 |
| Chibi-Taiga | not at all | 16:49 |
| ieatlint | :( | 16:49 |
| kerio | it's the package's fault | 16:49 |
| kerio | or rather, the maintainer's | 16:49 |
| ieatlint | probably | 16:49 |
| Chibi-Taiga | ignore-missing dont work | 16:49 |
| ieatlint | uh, i don't know apt well enough... there should be some sort of force switch, but dunno | 16:50 |
| Chibi-Taiga | im a windows nob so i have no clue eighter | 16:51 |
| ieatlint | i'm a gentoo guy | 16:51 |
| Ken-Young | Does anyone know how to make Maemo 5 rebuild all the thumbnail images shown by the "Photos" app? | 16:51 |
| kerio | Chibi-Taiga: are you installing a local package? | 16:52 |
| kerio | if not, wget it, and use dpkg --force -i package.deb | 16:52 |
| Chibi-Taiga | wget? | 16:52 |
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| MNZ | Ken-Young, my guess would be "rm -rf /home/user/.thumbnails/*" but then again, I'm only guessing | 16:53 |
| Chibi-Taiga | not local i think | 16:53 |
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| tank-man | wget it, means download it | 16:53 |
| Ken-Young | MNZ, Thanks, I'll try that (I'll just rename it, though). | 16:53 |
| Chibi-Taiga | apt-get install unzip | 16:53 |
| Chibi-Taiga | is what i do | 16:54 |
| MNZ | Ken-Young, yeah, better safe than sorry | 16:54 |
| ieatlint | wget is a standard utility on *nix systems to download files -- eg, "wget http://something.com/file.zip" | 16:54 |
| Chibi-Taiga | o.o? | 16:54 |
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| Chibi-Taiga | so i do wget install unzip? | 16:55 |
| ieatlint | uh, does "apt-get install unzip" not work? | 16:56 |
| Chibi-Taiga | no it give the errors like ishowed | 16:56 |
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| kerio | Chibi-Taiga: just zip, i think | 16:57 |
| kerio | but i don't remember installing it, so it's possibly already installed | 16:57 |
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| Ken-Young | MNZ, That worked. Thanks again. | 16:58 |
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| Chibi-Taiga | if i wanna unzip something i get "unzip:not found" | 17:03 |
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| kerio | Chibi-Taiga: apt-cache search unzip | 17:09 |
| mgedmin | Chibi-Taiga, if you have Python installed, you can use python -m zipfile -e your.zip . | 17:10 |
| Chibi-Taiga | humm i remember installing python complete pack or something | 17:12 |
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| Chibi-Taiga | but i dont see a gui like on s60v3 n82 | 17:12 |
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| psycho_oreos | that's probably because symbian is not like linux where everything must be GUI | 17:13 |
| psycho_oreos | :p | 17:13 |
| Chibi-Taiga | so how do i ryun python | 17:14 |
| hrw | rmrfchik: how goes vexed? | 17:14 |
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| psycho_oreos | you need to install python packages? | 17:14 |
| Chibi-Taiga | ok i go do that brb | 17:14 |
| dneary | Is there a bot here that supports "seen"? | 17:15 |
| dneary | I'd like to know the last time someone was active in-channel | 17:15 |
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| ToJa92 | [dneary]: I think you can write ~seen <nick> here | 17:15 |
| mgedmin | povbot, seen dneary | 17:15 |
| povbot | mgedmin: dneary was last seen in #maemo 37 seconds ago: <dneary> I'd like to know the last time someone was active in-channel | 17:15 |
| ToJa92 | only works for this channel though IIRC | 17:15 |
| mgedmin | there you are | 17:15 |
| dneary | mgedmin, ToJa92: Hvala | 17:16 |
| Chibi-Taiga | pyqt4 full install i have installed | 17:16 |
| GAN900 | dneary, I know Jaffa was away yesterday, dunno if he's back yet. | 17:16 |
| dneary | GAN900, Any other council people active ATM? | 17:16 |
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| GAN900 | Me? | 17:17 |
| GAN900 | Nobody else is really on IRC. | 17:17 |
| dneary | GAN900, How about you? Perhaps announce a Maemo team meeting for next Tuesday, if it's too short notice for tomorrow? | 17:17 |
| GAN900 | Probably too short for tomorrow, compounded by the US holiday. | 17:18 |
| dneary | US holiday? | 17:18 |
| crashanddie | GAN900: no, he's not back yet | 17:18 |
| crashanddie | GAN900: he just tweeted that he's still at legoland. | 17:18 |
| GAN900 | dneary, Labor Day | 17:18 |
| crashanddie | Labour** | 17:19 |
| crashanddie | :P | 17:19 |
| Chibi-Taiga | so whatmdo i need more for python | 17:19 |
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| Chibi-Taiga | what do* | 17:19 |
| dneary | GAN900, The US doesn't celebrate its workers on May 1st with the rest of the world? | 17:19 |
| dneary | And I'm with crashanddie on the u. | 17:19 |
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| ieatlint | no, may day is not a holiday in the US | 17:20 |
| rmrfchik | hrw: damn, i'm running out of time. too many work. | 17:21 |
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| rmrfchik | hrw: i'm figthing with orientation now | 17:21 |
| Chibi-Taiga | guys what are python packages called? | 17:21 |
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| MohammadAG | python packages :P | 17:22 |
| MohammadAG | python2.5-*? | 17:22 |
| hrw | rmrfchik: changing layout of UI? | 17:22 |
| GAN900 | dneary, rm -rf en_GB | 17:22 |
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| kerio | dneary: well, they hate communists | 17:23 |
| GAN900 | Amen. | 17:23 |
| kerio | may day was invented by the second international | 17:23 |
| rmrfchik | hrw: yes. seems like I know how to catch the orientation changing and relayouting. But now program crahes on exit | 17:23 |
| rmrfchik | *** glibc detected *** qexed: free(): invalid pointer: 0x001ff3b0 *** | 17:23 |
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| GAN900 | dneary, drafting the email. | 17:23 |
| rmrfchik | after l->removeItem; l->addItem | 17:23 |
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| _trine | can anyone tell me the name and where to get an app to record audio | 17:24 |
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| _trine | on the n900 | 17:24 |
| ieatlint | better dead than red | 17:24 |
| hrw | rmrfchik: add checks for items.count()? | 17:24 |
| djszapi | http://pastie.org/1141540 -> But this describtion writes it: http://www.scratchbox.org/documentation/user/scratchbox-1.0/html/installdoc.html | 17:24 |
| dneary | kewl | 17:24 |
| rmrfchik | ahh... may be i shouldn't use *item functions | 17:24 |
| rmrfchik | sec | 17:24 |
| kerio | _trine: recaller | 17:24 |
| dneary | _trine, audacity, for example? | 17:25 |
| _trine | thanks kerio | 17:25 |
| kerio | tiny widget, supports recording of about any audio source, can also record calls, and can do that automatically | 17:25 |
| * hrw wants apmefo sources... | 17:25 | |
| hrw | real ones... | 17:25 |
| dneary | Ah, sorry - /me sees "on the n900" | 17:25 |
| GAN900 | ieatlint, there's a reason the US economy is falling to pieces. ;) | 17:25 |
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| djszapi | does everybody use debian here ? | 17:25 |
| djszapi | Nokia provides mostly deb packages and it is a closed source development. | 17:26 |
| ieatlint | GAN900: is the same reason as greece? | 17:26 |
| _trine | djszapi: I do a bit | 17:26 |
| ieatlint | or most of europe? | 17:26 |
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| SpeedEvil | I use slackware, maemo. | 17:26 |
| ieatlint | :P | 17:26 |
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| ghostcube | pog: i know | 17:26 |
| ghostcube | :D | 17:26 |
| GAN900 | The free market made us #1, now socialism is steadily killing us. | 17:26 |
| djszapi | okia does not provide source packages all the time, sometimes just deb packages ... | 17:27 |
| djszapi | any idea for it ? http://pastie.org/1141540 -> I am trying to use lenny. | 17:27 |
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| kerio | djszapi: fremantle on my tablet, jaunty on my server, snow leopard on my laptop | 17:27 |
| djszapi | jaunty uses deb packages ... | 17:27 |
| kerio | it does | 17:27 |
| kerio | fremantle too | 17:27 |
| kerio | :) | 17:27 |
| _trine | kerio: where can I get the recaller app | 17:28 |
| djszapi | I would like to keep my archlinux... | 17:28 |
| kerio | huh, repos? | 17:28 |
| djszapi | I have just installed lenny into my chroot subdirectory. | 17:28 |
| scp1 | djszapi, no, I am using arch | 17:28 |
| djszapi | rly ? | 17:28 |
| djszapi | very good news ;) | 17:28 |
| ieatlint | GAN900: i'd respond to that statement, but for two reasons... first, to the thanks of everyone in here for not getting too much into politics, and second, because you're from florida | 17:28 |
| scp1 | not on the n900... on my bigger computers | 17:28 |
| djszapi | scp1: do you deal with the new harmattan project ? | 17:28 |
| djszapi | ofc ... | 17:28 |
| scp1 | no idea what that is | 17:29 |
| djszapi | maemo 6 | 17:29 |
| scp1 | I got my phone like a week ago :) | 17:29 |
| djszapi | http://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Maemo_roadmap/Harmattan | 17:29 |
| scp1 | oh I see | 17:29 |
| djszapi | well, what is it, really ? http://pastie.org/1141540 -> But this describtion writes it: http://www.scratchbox.org/documentation/user/scratchbox-1.0/html/installdoc.html | 17:30 |
| djszapi | scp1: debootstrap from AUR. | 17:30 |
| djszapi | then install debian into chroot subfolder. | 17:30 |
| djszapi | that is what I tried. | 17:30 |
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| djszapi | then I got the above mentioned error ;) | 17:30 |
| kerio | scp1: it's not a phone :< | 17:30 |
| scp1 | djszapi, I'm really NOT much into debian... | 17:30 |
| scp1 | oops. I didnt say that. sorry :p | 17:30 |
| Adeon | n900, a good phone, yes. phone phone phone | 17:30 |
| kerio | Adeon: i hate you :( | 17:31 |
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| GAN900 | ieatlint, how progressive of you. | 17:32 |
| djszapi | does anybody use debian here ? | 17:32 |
| scp1 | all except for us probably :p | 17:32 |
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| MNZ | djszapi, I do. And a lot of us do indirectly, by using ubuntu (debian based) | 17:32 |
| FrieT | yeah show of hands, who doesn't have easydebian installed? | 17:32 |
| FrieT | :P | 17:32 |
| ieatlint | GAN900: please, like you wouldn't stereotype me from being from san francisco | 17:33 |
| ieatlint | my SO is from tampa, i'd say i have slightly more perspective :P | 17:33 |
| pexi | i'll wait for that bmw-meego cooperation and someone crying 'it's not a car' | 17:33 |
| FrieT | uh | 17:33 |
| FrieT | it isn't.. | 17:33 |
| FrieT | it's a satnav with wheels. | 17:34 |
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| GAN900 | ieatlint, lot of my family lives in SF. | 17:34 |
| djszapi | MNZ: what can be the above pasted problem ? I have just followed the official instructions. | 17:34 |
| MNZ | pexi, it really IS NOT a phone :/ It's a tablet that happens to have phone functionality | 17:34 |
| FrieT | yeah, too bad nokia market it as their highend phone | 17:34 |
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| pexi | mine doesn't look even tablet | 17:34 |
| ieatlint | cool | 17:35 |
| ieatlint | we've got awesome burritos | 17:35 |
| pexi | it looks more like.. i donno.. phone | 17:35 |
| FrieT | it's not a tablet eiter | 17:35 |
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| FrieT | it's a hackable multipurpose device i suppose:P | 17:35 |
| SpeedEvil | Anyone not calling it a phone is barking mad. | 17:35 |
| scp1 | instead of bitching about if it's a phone or not, is there a way to use > Perl 5.8.3 natively? | 17:35 |
| FrieT | incoming call ! | 17:35 |
| FrieT | :P | 17:35 |
| SpeedEvil | It's sold as a phone - therefore not calling it a phone is the act of an insane person. | 17:35 |
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| MNZ | djszapi, I don't have any mentions of scratchbox.org in my sources.list | 17:35 |
| djszapi | how did you install it then ? | 17:36 |
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| MNZ | djszapi, like everyone else, I just used the automated installer script | 17:36 |
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| djszapi | lawl... | 17:36 |
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| kerio | nah, it's not nokia's high-end phone | 17:37 |
| kerio | it's just in another league | 17:37 |
| scp1 | this is starting to sound just like in #ubuntu | 17:37 |
| MNZ | djszapi, the sane thing would really be to download the automated script and read it | 17:37 |
| FrieT | i'm not saying what it is, i'm saying what they portray it to be | 17:37 |
| FrieT | n97 beats it as a phone. | 17:37 |
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| * mgedmin likes to say N900 is a crappy phone but a superb netbook | 17:38 | |
| DocScrutinizer | >> Bleiben Sie im Gespräch Es ist ein Mobiltelefon. Und ein Computer. Genießen Sie flexible Kommunikation über das Mobilfunknetz, Internettelefonie (VoIP) und Instant Messaging (Chat). | 17:38 |
| GAN900 | ieatlint, roadside Mexican food in CA is ridiculous. | 17:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://shop.nokia.de/nokia-de/product.aspx?sku=6958534 | 17:38 |
| MNZ | djszapi, here's what the script does to apt sources: http://pastebin.com/An4bwPf5 | 17:38 |
| djszapi | ./scratchbox/tools/scratchbox-base/files/sb_base/run_me_first.sh | 17:38 |
| djszapi | Host kernel is lacking binfmt_misc support! | 17:38 |
| djszapi | You need it to run scratchbox. | 17:38 |
| FrieT | duno, it's an OK phone. it just uses too much battery for audio :P | 17:38 |
| djszapi | lawl .... | 17:38 |
| FrieT | hence:D | 17:38 |
| djszapi | that module is loaded | 17:38 |
| ieatlint | GAN900: what we lack in bbq, we make up for in mexican/chinese food... :P | 17:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | So if Nokia says >>it's a mobile phone. And it's a computer<< then bviously everybody claiming 'it's not a phone' is in conflict with Nokia, no? | 17:39 |
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| dotblank | Its a computer phone! | 17:39 |
| SpeedEvil | Wow. | 17:39 |
| MNZ | fine I give up :( it's a computer in disguise as a phone | 17:40 |
| djszapi | well...nop... | 17:40 |
| djszapi | this is the right repo: deb http://scratchbox.org/debian/dists/stable/main/binary-i386 ./ | 17:40 |
| djszapi | there is no need for automated script or whatever. | 17:40 |
| SpeedEvil | It turns out I actually have OK signal, not spotty inside my house. (2g/3g) | 17:40 |
| MNZ | djszapi, yes, if you want the stuff from scratchbox, but if you want to do maemo development you are going to need the maemo packages | 17:40 |
| djszapi | : deb http://scratchbox.org/debian/ stable main | 17:40 |
| SpeedEvil | All I needed to do was to bend the SIM connector pins a lot | 17:40 |
| kerio | wat | 17:40 |
| SpeedEvil | so they contact more firmly | 17:41 |
| timeless | anyone here have O2 pay as you go? | 17:41 |
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| djszapi | MNZ: what are you talking about ? | 17:41 |
| djszapi | It is the same ... | 17:41 |
| dotblank | I live in an area where the people voted not to have a cell phone tower in my development.. but I still get a signal | 17:41 |
| timeless | they sent me s60(?) instructions for my n900.. | 17:41 |
| djszapi | http://www.scratchbox.org/documentation/user/scratchbox-1.0/html/installdoc.html | 17:41 |
| dotblank | after pr 1.2 my signal strength improved dramatically | 17:41 |
| MNZ | djszapi, just so we are clear, you want scratchbox to do maemo development right? | 17:41 |
| dotblank | no idea why | 17:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: now that's WTF | 17:42 |
| FrieT | mmmmmm the thought of s60 on the n900. where can i get it? -g- | 17:42 |
| djszapi | MNZ: pls pls read the pasted link. | 17:42 |
| djszapi | it will be clear what I would like to do. | 17:42 |
| djszapi | 2.1 and 2.2 do the same. | 17:42 |
| djszapi | I mean the final purpose. | 17:42 |
| timeless | arg | 17:42 |
| toggles_w | c or v? | 17:42 |
| timeless | how the heck does one manually configure a gprs connection? | 17:42 |
| kerio | hmm | 17:43 |
| kerio | settings->network connections | 17:43 |
| MNZ | djszapi, it's clear you want to install scratchbox, just answer my question please, maemo development or just scratchbox for some other purpose? | 17:43 |
| timeless | pkill(toggles_w) | 17:43 |
| kerio | then edit that one | 17:43 |
| toggles_w | ouch | 17:43 |
| djszapi | MNZ: why am I here ? | 17:43 |
| timeless | kerio: as in a *new* one | 17:43 |
| MNZ | djszapi, exactly. | 17:43 |
| kerio | change the old one | 17:43 |
| timeless | if i select new, it presumes i want wifi | 17:43 |
| kerio | it doesn't support more than one by default | 17:43 |
| kerio | thought you knew | 17:43 |
| kerio | install fAPN | 17:43 |
| MNZ | djszapi, in that case I'm pretty sure you need the maemo repos | 17:43 |
| djszapi | and ? | 17:44 |
| Chibi-Taiga | i cant find python package in app download list | 17:44 |
| timeless | kerio: the n8x0s didn't have this limit | 17:44 |
| jpinx-eeepc | scary - I just picked up the n900 and clicked debian chroot and there I am in squeeze :) | 17:44 |
| timeless | why would a later product we made suck more? | 17:44 |
| kerio | the n8x0s had no gprs | 17:44 |
| MNZ | djszapi, eh wait wait wait. Are we talking about apt inside or outside scratchbox? | 17:44 |
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| timeless | sure.. but it could use gprs via bt | 17:45 |
| djszapi | inside ... | 17:45 |
| * timeless did all the time | 17:45 | |
| djszapi | since my host is arch as I mentioned it above | 17:45 |
| kerio | as i said, install fAPN | 17:45 |
| MNZ | djszapi, oh, so I wasn't wrong... yeah you need the maemo repos lol. So add the maemo repos, and just remove the scratchbox one | 17:45 |
| djszapi | wut ?? | 17:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | timeless: (why would a later) good question! :-P | 17:45 |
| djszapi | I had to install scratchbox somehow ... | 17:45 |
| * Khertan_ is fighting distutils ... does there is a distutils expert here in the room ? | 17:45 | |
| Chibi-Taiga | guess i google it then | 17:46 |
| mgedmin | Khertan_, you might try #python | 17:46 |
| Khertan_ | mgedmin: yep of course :) | 17:46 |
| mgedmin | I can usually get distutils/setuptools to do what I want by cannibalizing other setup.py scripts | 17:46 |
| timeless | docs: please remind me to yell at someone rsn | 17:46 |
| timeless | dooc: .. | 17:47 |
| timeless | doc: .. | 17:47 |
| kerio | lol | 17:47 |
| mgedmin | I suspect becoming an expert in distutils will cost one's sanity | 17:47 |
| timeless | your nick is too hard to type | 17:47 |
| djszapi | :)))) | 17:47 |
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| kerio | timeless: tab? | 17:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | timeless: of course, a pleasure :-D | 17:47 |
| djszapi | MNZ: what do you mean ? | 17:47 |
| Khertan_ | mgedmin: i 'm currently trying to integrate xml in the package :) | 17:47 |
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| Chibi-Taiga | press tab | 17:47 |
| timeless | *** Value of INSERT_MODE set to OFF | 17:48 |
| Chibi-Taiga | its esyer for nicknames | 17:48 |
| timeless | *** Value of INSERT_MODE set to ON | 17:48 |
| timeless | that's what tab does here | 17:48 |
| Chibi-Taiga | lol | 17:48 |
| kerio | what's "here"? | 17:48 |
| mgedmin | Khertan_, are you looking for install_package_data=True ? | 17:48 |
| FrieT | is ~65 mA of power use when idle (screen off) reasonable? or do you guys do significantly better | 17:48 |
| FrieT | (BT and wifi enabled) | 17:48 |
| Chibi-Taiga | i dont know if the n900 has tab but lon pc it works | 17:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | "" ircII EPIC4-2.0 Linux 2.4.35 - Accept no limitations.."" lol for the trailing part | 17:49 |
| kerio | my n900 has tabs | 17:49 |
| timeless | ctcp version me? | 17:49 |
| mgedmin | FrieT, I've no idea how to measure the power usage on a n900 | 17:49 |
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| djszapi | sb-adduser lpapp | 17:49 |
| djszapi | Host kernel is lacking binfmt_misc support! | 17:49 |
| djszapi | You need it to run scratchbox. | 17:49 |
| djszapi | what's it ? | 17:49 |
| mgedmin | wait until it dies, divide the battery capacity (in mAh) by the number of hours? | 17:49 |
| djszapi | this module is loaded in the host. | 17:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | FrieT: depends | 17:50 |
| FrieT | mgedmin: good one indeed;> | 17:50 |
| Chibi-Taiga | guys any link for python n900? | 17:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | FrieT: somewhat ok for WLAN enabled | 17:50 |
| FrieT | DocScrutinizer: depends? i'm not doing bg jobs when it's idle, if it checks mail it's going to peak of course. i'm talking "idle" with gsm + bt + wifi. | 17:50 |
| Khertan_ | mgedmin: i'm more trying to integrate the xml file in the package as a part of the package and not as 'data' | 17:50 |
| MNZ | djszapi, have you got the maemo-sdk rootstraps? | 17:50 |
| djszapi | what do you mean ? | 17:51 |
| Khertan_ | Chibi-Taiga: http://pymaemo.garage.maemo.org/ | 17:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | FrieT: http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Power_Consumption | 17:51 |
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| FrieT | now it's down to 40mamp | 17:51 |
| FrieT | up& down there | 17:51 |
| mgedmin | Khertan_, what do you mean by that? you want setup.py install to copy the .xml files from where to where? or something else? | 17:51 |
| djszapi | MNZ: I will use harmattan | 17:51 |
| MNZ | djszapi, .... you don't actually have any of the maemo stuff. There's a rootstrap (a / filesystem) to create the scratchbox target based on | 17:52 |
| FrieT | 500mamp , incoming call | 17:52 |
| mgedmin | for distutils 'data' is everything that's not a .py file | 17:52 |
| MNZ | djszapi, I'm sorry I don't think I can help you, my info about scratchbox comes mostly from watching the installer script work and from messing about a little | 17:52 |
| Khertan_ | mgedmin: yep ... this is what i try to change | 17:52 |
| djszapi | MNZ: maemo-scratchbox-install_5.0.sh ? | 17:52 |
| Khertan_ | mgedmin: the current http://gitorious.org/khteditor/khteditor/blobs/master/setup.py | 17:52 |
| mgedmin | if you don't want your .xml files in /usr/lib/python (which is a bit against debian policy), I don't think you can do that with distutils ... | 17:52 |
| Khertan_ | i need to integrate in the khteditor/syntax module the .xml file | 17:53 |
| Chibi-Taiga | for download i mean | 17:53 |
| MNZ | djszapi, no I used the python based installed. It downloads two rootstraps (one for arm and one for i386), I guess you can install those through sb-menu | 17:53 |
| mgedmin | oh wow, you can? | 17:53 |
| Khertan_ | mgedmin: oh it s against debian policy ? | 17:53 |
| djszapi | MNZ: what do you mean ? | 17:53 |
| MNZ | djszapi, you haven't even gotten to the part where you create targets anyway. | 17:54 |
| Khertan_ | mgedmin: so maybe i should rewrite some part to change the location so | 17:54 |
| Khertan_ | :) | 17:54 |
| mgedmin | Khertan_, I think so; better double-check | 17:54 |
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| mgedmin | IIRC things like .xml files are supposed to be in /usr/share, not /usr/lib/python* | 17:54 |
| MNZ | djszapi, sorry but like I said, can't help much | 17:54 |
| djszapi | MNZ: what do you mean ? | 17:54 |
| Chibi-Taiga | why isnt python in app sdownload list | 17:55 |
| timeless | well, i'm now using o2 for internet access | 17:55 |
| timeless | 2.5g, "wow" | 17:55 |
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| Khertan_ | I got the following report in khweeteur bug tracker : Khweeteur is based on the obsolete and buggy package python2.5-qt4-maemo5. An example of bug is that with auto-capitalization disabled, the Shift status is reversed for the first character (typing a letter key gives an uppercase letter, typing Shift + letter gives a lowercase letter). python2.5-qt4-experimental-dev should be used (see https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11250). | 17:55 |
| povbot | Bug 11250: Shift status is reversed for the first character (Shift+letter gives lowercase) | 17:55 |
| Chibi-Taiga | 3.5g tmobile here | 17:56 |
| Khertan_ | i thought that experimental is ... experimental ... | 17:56 |
| Khertan_ | so nothing should depends on it | 17:56 |
| timeless | gtalk and skype connected, | 17:56 |
| timeless | sip provider failed | 17:56 |
| timeless | but ssh works | 17:56 |
| Chibi-Taiga | guess i ask on forrums | 17:57 |
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| timeless | ooh, 3g and one bar of signal, or 3.5 and that same one bar | 17:58 |
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| Chibi-Taiga | 28.8/5.8Mbitwireless internets | 18:02 |
| Chibi-Taiga | i want that | 18:02 |
| MohammadAG | hmm, how do I disable a button in python? | 18:02 |
| crashanddie | button.enabled = false ? | 18:03 |
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| Khertan_ | MohammadAG: button.destroy() | 18:04 |
| Khertan_ | :) | 18:04 |
| Chibi-Taiga | i wanna download it but i cant find it | 18:04 |
| MohammadAG | Khertan_, nope, that doesn't do anything :/ | 18:05 |
| MohammadAG | Khertan_, that's for PyGTK right? | 18:06 |
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| Khertan_ | MohammadAG: should destroy it under pygtk or qt :) | 18:07 |
| MohammadAG | weird, it doesn't | 18:07 |
| MohammadAG | no errors though | 18:07 |
| Khertan_ | button.hide() should hide the button in pygtk | 18:07 |
| Chibi-Taiga | guess i do it on pc ,to botherdome to search for python n900 | 18:07 |
| Chibi-Taiga | also screw unzip | 18:08 |
| MohammadAG | Khertan_, button.hide() works in PyQt, but that hides the button | 18:08 |
| MohammadAG | I just want to disable it (gray it out) | 18:08 |
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| Chibi-Taiga | should have gotten n97 instead lovely symbian phones and easy to use | 18:10 |
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| MohammadAG | meh, I had the N97 before the N900 | 18:10 |
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| Khertan_ | MohammadAG: button.set_sensitive(False) | 18:11 |
| MohammadAG | bah, PyGTK only, AttributeError: 'QPushButton' object has no attribute 'set_sensitive' | 18:11 |
| Venemo_N900 | Hey guys | 18:12 |
| Chibi-Taiga | well this os is no fun , hacking symbina slows more then maemo also w/o errors | 18:12 |
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| pog | is it possible on N900 / Maemo5, to make an ssh -X N900, then to export a display to my ubuntu PC. the command on the conole open the Application Window on the N900... (I don't seem to be the only one with problems like this). | 18:12 |
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| _Lucretia_ | anybody replaced the toolchain in madde? | 18:12 |
| Chibi-Taiga | maemo dont even have good players | 18:13 |
| MohammadAG | Chibi-Taiga, S60 sucks balls, especially after 9.1, when they locked it down | 18:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | Chibi-Taiga: please go and swap N900 for a symbian phone. You complain since days about supposedly complicated linux, quite obviously N900 is absolutely not the right gadget for you | 18:13 |
| MohammadAG | good players? wanna go 1v1 on cod? | 18:13 |
| Chibi-Taiga | i cant swap | 18:14 |
| SpeedEvil | yes pog | 18:14 |
| Chibi-Taiga | bcuz somwhygiene rule here | 18:14 |
| GAN900 | dneary, sent. | 18:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | Chibi-Taiga: that's not *anybody's* problem but your own | 18:14 |
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| Chibi-Taiga | all i want is simple just an unzipper or an unrar | 18:15 |
| Chibi-Taiga | just this phone is to picky to install it | 18:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | all I want is just a cahn without that constant whining | 18:15 |
| MohammadAG | just install xarchiver | 18:15 |
| lcuk | http://maemo.org/packages/search/?org_maemo_packages_search[1][property]=name&org_maemo_packages_search[1][constraint]=LIKE&org_maemo_packages_search[1][value]=unrar&org_maemo_packages_search[2][property]=title&org_maemo_packages_search[2][constraint]=LIKE&org_maemo_packages_search[2][value]=same | 18:16 |
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| MohammadAG | Note: UI needs stylus | 18:16 |
| Chibi-Taiga | i dont remember seeing that in app download list | 18:16 |
| MohammadAG | http://maemo.org/packages/view/xarchiver | 18:16 |
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| * DocScrutinizer points Chibi-Taiga to talk.maemo.org - please consider moving your complaints and constant whining over there | 18:18 | |
| jacekowski | i just recommended n900 to somebody | 18:18 |
| jacekowski | and i hope i won't regret it | 18:18 |
| E0x | n900 is not for everybody | 18:18 |
| SpeedEvil | Did you get your referral bonus? | 18:18 |
| SpeedEvil | Oops - not supposed to mention that. | 18:18 |
| E0x | hehe | 18:19 |
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| Chibi-Taiga | do i need an account to see a download buttona. | 18:20 |
| Chibi-Taiga | button?* | 18:21 |
| Khertan_ | MohammadAG: ah sorry i think you were looking for a pygtk method | 18:21 |
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| MohammadAG | jacekowski, heh, if only people here listen to recommendations, he asked about the N900, knowing him as a noob I suggested an iPhone, the next day he got an N900 | 18:22 |
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| _Lucretia_ | luke-jr: I saw your comment here: http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2010-08-01.log.html, what's not compatible between gcc-4.4 and 4.5? The ABI should be the same, that was the whole point of the ABI changes in GCC a few years back. | 18:23 |
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| jacekowski | just version change is enought to break a lot | 18:24 |
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| _Lucretia_ | jacekowski: was that aimed at me? | 18:25 |
| Chibi-Taiga | btw that extras-devil is it dead? | 18:25 |
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| kerio | huh... iphone-controlled quadricopter | 18:38 |
| kerio | 300£ | 18:38 |
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| Venemo_N900 | kerio: the N900 can control a real helicopter! | 18:42 |
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| Venemo_N900 | kerio: so iCrap is lagging behind... again :D | 18:43 |
| MiXu- | Wouldn't want to be on that thing... | 18:43 |
| timeless | anyone know how "london" and "city of london" differ? | 18:43 |
| timeless | ignore the obvious character count issue | 18:43 |
| kerio | "cit... damn timeless | 18:43 |
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| Venemo_N900 | timeless: my guess would be that London also means the general area around the city | 18:43 |
| timeless | and i'm typing on my n900 | 18:43 |
| Venemo_N900 | timeless: lcuk should perhaps know better | 18:44 |
| lcuk | timeless, city of london is the tiny core afaik | 18:44 |
| timeless | http://consumero2.directoryconnection.com/site_details.php?id=1077684 | 18:44 |
| timeless | my search gave me that | 18:44 |
| timeless | anyone see anything obviously missing? | 18:44 |
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| GAN900 | dneary, Nokia World is next Tuesday. | 18:45 |
| kerio | hmm | 18:45 |
| kerio | good coffee? | 18:45 |
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| drizztbsd | hi | 18:46 |
| Venemo_N900 | drizztbsd: hi | 18:47 |
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| drizztbsd | I'm doing a .deb package, how can I know if I'm building on N900/fremantle or N810 or N800 etc? | 18:47 |
| drizztbsd | I want to do an universal source package | 18:47 |
| Venemo_N900 | drizztbsd: what SDK are you building with? | 18:47 |
| dneary | GAN900, Are the Maemo staff & council going? | 18:47 |
| drizztbsd | maemo 5 | 18:47 |
| drizztbsd | It's for n900 | 18:48 |
| dneary | Let's do it Thursday then | 18:48 |
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| drizztbsd | but I want to release an universal source package | 18:48 |
| dneary | this thursday | 18:48 |
| GAN900 | dneary, Jaffa is, apparently. | 18:48 |
| GAN900 | OK | 18:48 |
| Venemo_N900 | drizztbsd: for Maemo 4, build with its SDK | 18:48 |
| * lcuk hmm | 18:48 | |
| * GAN900 will need to manage not to throw up first. | 18:48 | |
| Venemo_N900 | drizztbsd: the two versions have two different set of libraries and stuff... | 18:48 |
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| jacekowski | timeless: london ussualy means greater londo | 19:07 |
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| jacekowski | timeless: while city of london is just one of boroughs | 19:07 |
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| Chibi-Taiga | humm is it possible to attach an ext hdd on n900 ? | 19:07 |
| jacekowski | kind of maybe yes | 19:08 |
| FrieT | i'd guess with the proper usb trickery, yes | 19:08 |
| Chibi-Taiga | humm so it need a trick ? | 19:08 |
| FrieT | nah | 19:08 |
| FrieT | nfs client ? | 19:08 |
| FrieT | :) | 19:08 |
| ShadowJK | chibi-taiga: not through the usb port currently | 19:09 |
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| Chibi-Taiga | i saw an youtube vid though so i was wondering | 19:09 |
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| Chibi-Taiga | he used an thumpstick | 19:09 |
| ShadowJK | It only randomly works afaik | 19:10 |
| Chibi-Taiga | i see | 19:10 |
| Chibi-Taiga | would be nice though | 19:10 |
| Chibi-Taiga | extra storage | 19:10 |
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| * Chibi-Taiga -< MPClassic >-< [HorribleSubs] HIGHSCHOOL OF THE DEAD - 10 [720p].mkv >-< Playtime 00:00 of 25:13 @ ~312.81KB/s (462.2MB) >-< ( N/A ) >- | 19:16 | |
| DocScrutinizer | extra storage? hell, even my laptop has less than 64GB | 19:17 |
| kerio | your laptop fails | 19:17 |
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| Chibi-Taiga | my netbook has 640gb though | 19:17 |
| kerio | that's not enough for half of the full mame romset :< | 19:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer | it's also a bit small for mp2 vids of all the movies I've ever seen - but meh | 19:19 |
| barisione | anybody that knows how to help the person that reported https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11247 ? | 19:19 |
| povbot | Bug 11247: Custom Ringtones - Conflict Packages at Program installation | 19:19 |
| barisione | she reported it as a custom ringtones bug | 19:19 |
| barisione | but it looks like a maemo upgrade problem | 19:19 |
| barisione | she gets: | 19:19 |
| barisione | Conflicts between Maemo 5 (2.2009.51-1) | 19:19 |
| barisione | hildon-thumbnail (3.0.43+0m5) | 19:19 |
| Chibi-Taiga | my main comp has slighly more though | 19:20 |
| Chibi-Taiga | Hard Disks: (Total/Free: 8.41/2.37TB , Total/Free space on: C: 75.13/40.11GB , D: 465.76/216.14GB , E: 390.62/388.26GB , F: 931.51/250.41GB , G: 931.51/87.27GB , H: 1.36/1.36TB , I: 1.36/0.03TB , J: 2.73/0.01TB , K: 232.88/18.49GB) | 19:20 |
| kerio | haha i see letters | 19:20 |
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| kerio | lots of letters | 19:20 |
| kerio | my god, why would someone think that's a good idea | 19:20 |
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| Macer | i have to flash from scratch and all i have is an osx laptop | 19:20 |
| kerio | your setup begs for LVM | 19:20 |
| Macer | do i need anything other than RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin ? | 19:21 |
| kerio | or even better, some raid0 | 19:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | Chibi-Taiga: yeah, but can it hotswap? like 32GB uSD on N900? :-P | 19:21 |
| Chibi-Taiga | it supports 16gb+ ? | 19:21 |
| kerio | and by uSD, he means µSD | 19:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | kerio: begs for decent OS, first of all | 19:22 |
| Chibi-Taiga | and yes my rig is hotswap | 19:22 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer: well of course | 19:22 |
| kerio | :) | 19:22 |
| Macer | wtf. i can't flash an n900 with osx? | 19:22 |
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| ShadowJK | macer: yeah flashing just emmc is bad idea | 19:22 |
| kerio | Macer: i did :| | 19:22 |
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| Chibi-Taiga | http://img694.imageshack.us/img694/6691/19022010009.jpg http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/3228/07122009384.jpg | 19:23 |
| Macer | ShadowJK: what else do i need to start from scratch? | 19:23 |
| Macer | http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware#N900 | 19:23 |
| Macer | that is what i am reading | 19:23 |
| Macer | the nokia site only seems to have the emmc stuff that is relevant to flashing it | 19:23 |
| Macer | maybe i should just go ahead and use a damn windows flasher and let it all do it for me | 19:24 |
| Macer | RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.19-1.002_PR_COMBINED_002_ARM.bin | 19:24 |
| kerio | Macer: the flasher is the same :| | 19:24 |
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| Macer | oh ... maybe that would be the one i need? :) | 19:24 |
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| Macer | Latest Maemo 5 USA release for Nokia N900 | 19:25 |
| kerio | flash the global, duh | 19:25 |
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| Macer | OK. Let me shove the battery back in this n900 | 19:26 |
| Macer | blah. too bad nitdroid doesn't have the modem working completely yet.. otherwise it would be worth using as default :) | 19:26 |
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| MohammadAG | yay | 19:27 |
| MohammadAG | modified unzip-fm to unrar-fm :P | 19:27 |
| kerio | unzip-fm? | 19:27 |
| kerio | :o | 19:27 |
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| MohammadAG | the filemanager addon that unpacks zips using osso-filemanager | 19:28 |
| kerio | oh | 19:28 |
| kerio | i thought it was related to the radio | 19:28 |
| MohammadAG | unzipping the radio? | 19:29 |
| jacekowski | unzip filemanager | 19:29 |
| jacekowski | fm stands for filemanager | 19:29 |
| jacekowski | i made that mistake as well | 19:29 |
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| jacekowski | and disassembled libcpfm or something | 19:29 |
| jacekowski | looking for some reference to radio | 19:29 |
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| MohammadAG | lol | 19:30 |
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| jacekowski | anyways | 19:30 |
| jacekowski | home time | 19:30 |
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| Goliath23 | hi | 19:32 |
| Goliath23 | general question on the maemo sw running on an N900: there is the modest email client. when I set it to update emails periodically, it won't automatically connect to the internet. when I manually start it and update emails, it connects automatically. is this a known bug? | 19:33 |
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| Chibi-Taiga | anime is just to awesome | 19:34 |
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| jacekowski | Goliath23: just configure phone to connect automaticaly | 19:34 |
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| Goliath23 | jacekowski: Then I would be online all the time. The wanted behaviour is, that maemo connects (to WLAN or GPRS) when I (or a program that I configured to periodically check some data on the net) needs the connection. (and disconnect afterwards, which I can achieve by installing AutoDisconnect) | 19:36 |
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| Macer | ok. flasher is waiting for the device | 19:37 |
| Macer | the device boots with a usb symbol for a second | 19:37 |
| Macer | then goes into multi boot | 19:37 |
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| Macer | it doesn't seem to want to find the device :( | 19:37 |
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| timeless | macer: ping | 19:38 |
| timeless | http://www.o2.co.uk/webtopup/helpwithtoppingup | 19:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | Goliath23: the supposed usage mode however is to keep GPRS enabled all the time | 19:38 |
| timeless | can you click on the which credit/debit card line? | 19:39 |
| Macer | uhm | 19:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | as there's usually not a single advantage in disabling GPRS | 19:39 |
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| * timeless sighs | 19:39 | |
| timeless | o2 is being evil | 19:39 |
| Macer | i'm trying to fix my n900 :-P | 19:39 |
| timeless | their iPhone plan is tied to the imei for iphones | 19:39 |
| timeless | doc: how about you? | 19:39 |
| timeless | (i got your nick right! | 19:40 |
| Goliath23 | DocScrutinizer: It allows me to use the device a whole day. Keeping the device connected all the time drains the battery very fast. | 19:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer | wut? | 19:40 |
| Macer | Suitable USB device not found, waiting. | 19:40 |
| timeless | load that link | 19:40 |
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| Goliath23 | DocScrutinizer: I'd call that a major advantage. | 19:40 |
| timeless | click the credit card line | 19:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | Goliath23: that's a problem not to be solved via disabling GPRS | 19:40 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer: huh? | 19:40 |
| Macer | do i have to do somthing special to this n900 to put it into flashable mode or something? | 19:40 |
| kerio | really? | 19:40 |
| Goliath23 | DocScrutinizer: but? | 19:40 |
| kerio | is that also true for umts/hsdpa? | 19:40 |
| kerio | Macer: huh | 19:40 |
| kerio | plug the usb cable while holding u | 19:40 |
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| * timeless sighs | 19:41 | |
| DocScrutinizer | kerio: sure | 19:41 |
| Goliath23 | DocScrutinizer: shall I solve it by chharging more often? :) | 19:41 |
| lcuk | dneary, i am at manchester university at that time thursday | 19:41 |
| timeless | anyone have an app that does phone number based contact awarching? | 19:41 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer: wait, WHAT | 19:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | Goliath23: I suggest to solve it by learning about the fundamentals of GPRS | 19:42 |
| kerio | i'm talking umts/hsdpa here | 19:42 |
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| Goliath23 | DocScrutinizer: I'm a user whose Handset runs out of battery quite fast. Not a developer. maybe that's the wrong channel then. | 19:42 |
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| kerio | maybe it's the wrong phone | 19:42 |
| kerio | :) | 19:42 |
| Otacon22 | Hi, i have a problem on my n900. I was trying to install SCIM and MSCIM for japanese input but it was not working, so i've decided to delete it and go back to default input method. Anyway after this i can't no longer see the special character popup: when i press Sum+Fn does not happens anything! | 19:43 |
| Otacon22 | could anyone help me? | 19:43 |
| Macer | hm. now i have the usb symbol on an unlit nokia screen | 19:43 |
| Goliath23 | DocScrutinizer: is one of the GPRS fundamentals, that it doesn't need more power no matter if there is an active connection or not? | 19:43 |
| Macer | but flasher still has Suitable USB device not found, waiting. | 19:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Goliath23: exactly | 19:44 |
| Goliath23 | Macer: what distro? | 19:44 |
| Macer | OSX | 19:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | the power needed for an established login to GPRS is ~3mA | 19:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Power_Consumption | 19:44 |
| Goliath23 | Macer: hm, I once had the same. was a version conflict ina dependency iirc | 19:44 |
| Macer | OMG | 19:45 |
| Macer | this seriously should not be this difficult | 19:45 |
| * timeless rotfl | 19:45 | |
| Macer | let me just plug the damn thing into a windows box :) | 19:45 |
| timeless | could someone w/ a web browser read the last line of | 19:45 |
| timeless | http://www.o2.co.uk/shop/paygotopup/creditdebitcardtopup | 19:45 |
| timeless | where it says "a telefonica ..." | 19:45 |
| Goliath23 | Macer: yes, maybe this works. or an ubuntu based distro | 19:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | Goliath23: it's the transmission of data either direction, that consumes lots of power. Establishing a connection does a fair amount of data transfer. The idle connection is really humble, needing some ~3mA | 19:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Goliath23: that's the rationale you usually *keep* the connection, rather than to tear it down every so often | 19:46 |
| Goliath23 | DocScrutinizer: okay, but 3mA is not really nothing, right? | 19:47 |
| Macer | ok now to hunt down this damn windows updater | 19:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Goliath23: but - quite obviously - you want to make sure you don't transfer data over GPRS all the time | 19:47 |
| MohammadAG | builder dead? | 19:47 |
| timeless | it's really preyy close to nothing | 19:47 |
| Goliath23 | DocScrutinizer: according to the wiki page, the difference between 2G and 3G is 1.4mA and I can really feel the difference | 19:47 |
| kerio | umts is 8ma | 19:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | Goliath23: it is small enough to allow 400h of standby | 19:48 |
| timeless | hrm | 19:48 |
| * timeless wonders if firefox is available somewhere | 19:48 | |
| DocScrutinizer | Goliath23: nope, you're looking the wrong row for this. What you feel is the difference of 45mA vs 136mA | 19:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | for 10s pings | 19:49 |
| MohammadAG | timeless, a telephonica company? | 19:49 |
| tank-man | timeless, that page shows up in english for me, sorry | 19:49 |
| ShadowJK | timeless: uh.. "A telefonica company" ... "(C) 2010 Telefonica O2 UK Limited." ... terms and conditions.. privacy policy? | 19:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | err 30s | 19:49 |
| MohammadAG | s/ph/f/ | 19:49 |
| infobot | MohammadAG meant: timeless, a telefonica company? | 19:49 |
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| Goliath23 | DocScrutinizer: aha | 19:49 |
| timeless | does it say company? | 19:50 |
| dneary | lcuk: Propose an alternative time, but I'd really like to have some kind of meeting this week | 19:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | 136mA means battery down after 10h | 19:50 |
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| timeless | for me it said something like that, but not actually that | 19:50 |
| timeless | turn off image loading | 19:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | and inplies there's something constantly sending/receiving data over GPRS | 19:51 |
| timeless | you need to read the alt tag | 19:51 |
| lcuk | dneary, friday same time perhaps, or earlier thursday or wednesday etc? | 19:51 |
| dneary | lcuk: Propose on the mailing list | 19:51 |
| dneary | Maybe mail the council first to see if there's a particular time that suits the 5 of you? | 19:52 |
| Goliath23 | DocScrutinizer: and 3mA reduce standby by what amount? | 19:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | 3mA would drain battery after ~400h | 19:52 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer: facebook widget? | 19:52 |
| Macer | omfg this is retarded | 19:52 |
| Macer | where can i download the nokia updating app for windows? | 19:53 |
| timeless | MohammadAG? | 19:53 |
| * lcuk isnt council :P | 19:53 | |
| ShadowJK | ugh. It started reloading every winow when I switched images to "Never". This will take ages. | 19:53 |
| Macer | the one that downloads and updates it all for you? | 19:53 |
| kerio | Macer: not sure why you're having problema | 19:53 |
| Macer | kerio: yeah. that makes two of us but evidently my mb doesn't want to see the n900 | 19:53 |
| Macer | Suitable USB device not found, waiting. | 19:53 |
| kerio | stupid question... you're root, right? | 19:53 |
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| ShadowJK | timeless: the first telefonica vanished without images | 19:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | I bet he's not | 19:54 |
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| DocScrutinizer | as there is no root on OSX by default :_P | 19:54 |
| kerio | huh? | 19:54 |
| kerio | it's unix | 19:54 |
| kerio | there's always a root | 19:54 |
| MohammadAG | timeless, I don't... get it <span>A Telefónica comapny</span> | 19:54 |
| Macer | i'm running it as sudo so yes? | 19:55 |
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| timeless | MohammadAG? | 19:55 |
| Macer | Suitable USB device not found, waiting. | 19:55 |
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| timeless | oops, scrollback | 19:55 |
| MohammadAG | <timeless> could someone w/ a web browser read the last line of | 19:55 |
| MohammadAG | <timeless> http://www.o2.co.uk/shop/paygotopup/creditdebitcardtopup | 19:55 |
| Macer | maybe i should just sudo -s and try running it? | 19:55 |
| MohammadAG | Macer | 19:55 |
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| MohammadAG | keep flasher running | 19:55 |
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| kerio | © 2010 Telefónica O2 UK Limited. | 19:55 |
| MohammadAG | take out the battery | 19:55 |
| MohammadAG | plug in the USB | 19:55 |
| kerio | i didn't know telefonica bought o2 | 19:55 |
| MohammadAG | plug in the battery | 19:55 |
| MohammadAG | watch flasher scroll | 19:56 |
| timeless | you didn'tt get it? | 19:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | maybe hold 'u' while inserting battery | 19:56 |
| kerio | get what? | 19:56 |
| timeless | you quoted the right bit! | 19:56 |
| kerio | oh, yeah, in the left there's a "a telefonica company" image | 19:56 |
| timeless | Telefónica comapny</span> | 19:56 |
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| Macer | MohammadAG: nope | 19:57 |
| * ShadowJK couldn't copy/paste it | 19:57 | |
| tank-man | yea, iphones suck ... | 19:57 |
| tank-man | :) | 19:57 |
| Macer | hm. let me try holding u again :) | 19:58 |
| timeless | @@@ | 19:58 |
| ShadowJK | if your n900 boots it wont work | 19:58 |
| ShadowJK | or has booted | 19:58 |
| timeless | MohammadAG, so ever met a comAPNy before? | 19:58 |
| MohammadAG | LOL | 19:59 |
| Macer | OH WAIT. it just took off :) | 19:59 |
| * Macer watches his n900 get bricked right before his eyes | 19:59 | |
| timeless | now you have, thanks to telefonica | 19:59 |
| Macer | haha | 19:59 |
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| MohammadAG | Macer, that'll be 50 IRC bucks please | 19:59 |
| johnsq | Hi | 19:59 |
| ShadowJK | macer: if your commandline includes -R, it'll fail :) | 19:59 |
| timeless | ok, next challenge | 20:00 |
| timeless | https://registration.o2.co.uk/o2/webtopup/mobiledetailsprepare.do | 20:00 |
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| Macer | ShadowJK: uh oh | 20:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | Macer: so now if you either manage to keep device from regular boot between flashing, or flash VANILLA image first, then you got chances to actually flash eMMC and get a working system | 20:00 |
| timeless | can someone please find something which specifies what kind of terms and conditions apply to cc payment? | 20:00 |
| timeless | someone from o2 claimed it's mention british credit cards only | 20:00 |
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| timeless | i can't even find anything mentioning terms | 20:01 |
| Macer | looks like it's trying to boot | 20:01 |
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| MohammadAG | Macer, first boot takes a shitload of time | 20:01 |
| Macer | really i just want to make sure the nitdroid installer works properly so i figured i'd put a stock maemo on it | 20:01 |
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| ShadowJK | docscrutinizer: well no, if he first flashes emmc and boots, it boots into broken system.. if he first flashes fiasco and boots, data gets moved to emmc and system becomes broken once he flashes emmc | 20:02 |
| Macer | for some reason the nitdroid installer made maemo stop booting.. probably some obscure multiboot problem | 20:02 |
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| ShadowJK | so just dont use the reboot flag :D | 20:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: so isn't that exactly what I said? | 20:02 |
| Macer | would be nice to try out meego too once they get the modem working as well | 20:02 |
| Chibi-Taiga | humm kernel power flasher cant find it on maemo.org | 20:03 |
| MiXu- | Ironic that you can make calls on N900+Android but not on N900+MeeGo :) | 20:03 |
| Macer | wtf. a piece of my phone .... fell out? | 20:03 |
| Macer | wtf is that?? | 20:03 |
| ShadowJK | docscrutinizzer: you implied one could boot after flashing vanilla and still flash emmc without a third flash of fiasco again :) | 20:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: and by the way the rationale why I always say the wiki is abysmal wrong on recommending to flash rootfs first | 20:03 |
| Goliath23 | DocScrutinizer: I'll take your comments as a chance to try with "always on" ... I set the search interval to 60 minutes, prolonged the update intervals of some widgets and configured AutoDisconnect to automatically switch to 2G if there is not much data transferred. | 20:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: vanilla IS eMMC | 20:03 |
| e-yes | Stskeeps sweared voicecalls are working. i seeing last (prebuilt) version now... now phone support yet, seems | 20:04 |
| e-yes | MiXu-, no voicecalls @nitdroid yet | 20:04 |
| timeless | heh | 20:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: so I implied nothing of what you claim I did | 20:04 |
| timeless | try loading https://registration.o2.co.uk/ | 20:05 |
| ShadowJK | ah ok | 20:05 |
| Goliath23 | DocScrutinizer: btw. If I would set search interval to 5 minutes and NOT set "change to WLAN if possible" .. would that drain a lot of battery? (since it theoretically wouldn't need to check if there is a GPRS connection) | 20:05 |
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| ShadowJK | wlan has or had a tendency to get stuck active for me when I had change to wlan activated... it'd drain battery in 6 hours when the bug hit | 20:06 |
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| ShadowJK | "check if there's a gprs connection" shouldn't use any power | 20:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | Goliath23: search interval seems to have impact on battery life no matter if it autoswitches to WLAN or not | 20:07 |
| Goliath23 | DocScrutinizer: probably a software bug | 20:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | Goliath23: especially if you have any connection configured that has "hidden SSID", which is a real nonsense | 20:09 |
| Goliath23 | DocScrutinizer: is there a bug entry for that? | 20:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | Goliath23: that's not actually a bug | 20:09 |
| Goliath23 | DocScrutinizer: ok, it's an important missing feature .. | 20:10 |
| Goliath23 | a wishlist entry :) | 20:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | Goliath23: see, if you have a connection with hidden SSID of "foobar" and the wifi scans all available staions, it needs to SEND a query to all stations with hidden SSID if they by any incident are "foobar" | 20:10 |
| Chibi-Taiga | guys what can i do about this http://a.imageshack.us/img824/2392/screenshot2010090619092.png | 20:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Goliath23: sending is expensive | 20:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Goliath23: and there's only so much you can do about all that | 20:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | Goliath23: just don't use 'hidden SSID' | 20:12 |
| MohammadAG | wtf is kernel-flasher-maemo | 20:12 |
| Goliath23 | DocScrutinizer: okay. I was still at the easier case (don't scan for connections if a) a gprs connection is active and b) "swtich to wlan" is disabled | 20:12 |
| Chibi-Taiga | Enhanced Linux kernel for power users | 20:13 |
| Chibi-Taiga | i wanan underpower the cpu to enlarge the battery life | 20:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | so what is the device actually supposed to do at all during scan periods? | 20:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | Chibi-Taiga: NOOOOOO, please go away from whereever you are this moment. And never ever mention it here for next 6 months *at least* | 20:14 |
| Chibi-Taiga | http://img830.imageshack.us/i/screenshot2010090521592.png/ | 20:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~omap-oc | 20:15 |
| infobot | i heard omap-oc is http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2010-08-01.log.html#t2010-08-01T22:16:05 read that! | 20:15 |
| MiXu- | You seriously don't want to underclock. The thing is slow as is. | 20:15 |
| jacekowski | have you heard about flash 10.1 for arm | 20:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer | and underclocking is mega BS regarding battery savings | 20:15 |
| Chibi-Taiga | overclock and underpower should be good as they say | 20:15 |
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| jacekowski | Chibi-Taiga: do whatever you want | 20:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | Chibi-Taiga: please read that link, and stop it now | 20:16 |
| jacekowski | Chibi-Taiga: just don't tell us that your phone is dead | 20:16 |
| Chibi-Taiga | its oced to 900 mhz now | 20:16 |
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| Chibi-Taiga | it was for 2 months on 825 | 20:16 |
| Chibi-Taiga | just want to see what it is capable off | 20:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | Chibi-Taiga: We don't give a damn shit about it | 20:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | read http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2010-08-01.log.html#t2010-08-01T22:16:05 !!! | 20:17 |
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| _Lucretia_ | I'm trying to set up my N900 as a target, I've tried the new root password that I set when I installed mad developer, and I've tried the password that is created when I press the developer password button, none work | 20:18 |
| _Lucretia_ | I can ping the device | 20:18 |
| Chibi-Taiga | so anyways why would a phone die from overclock, its basicly a pocked pc, cpu's are made to over clock rite ? look at it many i7 users oc to 4ghz, ok thats cooled, but for a lappy it isnt | 20:18 |
| jacekowski | it's different cpu | 20:18 |
| jacekowski | different design | 20:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer | take that OC nonsense to t.m.o where it belongs. There you find literally all sorts of claims and their exact opposite, and nobody has a fsckng clue about it | 20:18 |
| jacekowski | designed to spend most of it's lifetime in 0Hz mode | 20:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | Chibi-Taiga: a last time: please read the link above, and keep that nonsense out of here | 20:19 |
| jacekowski | Chibi-Taiga: and have you noticed that these 4GHz+ cpus ussualy don't last very long | 20:20 |
| Chibi-Taiga | who knows , lots humans live long specialy gamers | 20:20 |
| jacekowski | it's your decision | 20:21 |
| jacekowski | just don't come back crying | 20:21 |
| Chibi-Taiga | i myself had an 3.8ghz amd dual core but i jumed over to an 6core though | 20:21 |
| Goliath23 | DocScrutinizer: when I have gprs on and am traveling, does it need to send and receive data on every cell change? | 20:21 |
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| Chibi-Taiga | i know what the risks are | 20:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes | 20:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | Goliath23: it does anyway, for GSM | 20:21 |
| Goliath23 | DocScrutinizer: additional data, compared to just GSM? | 20:21 |
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| Ken-Young | Have reports been coming in yet about N900s fried by overclocking? I haven't seen one. | 20:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | nope | 20:21 |
| Goliath23 | DocScrutinizer: ah, okay | 20:21 |
| jacekowski | there were | 20:22 |
| jacekowski | i saw somebody couple days ago | 20:22 |
| Chibi-Taiga | if ocing is that dangerous they wouldnt publish it on the net would they ? | 20:22 |
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| jacekowski | Chibi-Taiga: what do you mean by they | 20:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | Chibi-Taiga: you also are publishing it right now, and those who do the same have no any better clue than you | 20:23 |
| jacekowski | Chibi-Taiga: guns are dangerous and you can buy them in every shop in US | 20:23 |
| Ken-Young | jacekowski, Not *every* shop. | 20:23 |
| Chibi-Taiga | well why would they publish oc settings for the n900 if its that dangerous | 20:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | Chibi-Taiga: BECAUSE THEY ARE JUST LIKE YOU | 20:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | NOW TAKE IT ELSEWHERE | 20:24 |
| jacekowski | it's sort of like HV is dangerous | 20:24 |
| Chibi-Taiga | i think iphones are more dangerous with its exploding batteries | 20:25 |
| jacekowski | why we are making 110kV transformers | 20:25 |
| jacekowski | anybody can buy one | 20:25 |
| ShadowJK | (Nokia has not, does not, and will not publish OC settings for the N900) | 20:25 |
| MNZ | Stop spreading the FUD about OC being dangerous! :| | 20:25 |
| MNZ | Chibi-Taiga, it's not dangerous | 20:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | lol, you bet they won't | 20:25 |
| MNZ | just costly, that's all | 20:25 |
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| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: hmm, well, i don't see why nokia would care really | 20:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | MNZ: nobody except Chibi-Taiga used the term 'dangerous' | 20:26 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: it's not their problem if user fucks up their device | 20:26 |
| ArkAnGiCIA | HellOlAloHallOhayo.. I HI.. | 20:26 |
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| Chibi-Taiga | but ok if you say its bad then i set it back to 600 | 20:27 |
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| jacekowski | set it to 9000 | 20:27 |
| MNZ | OVER 9000! | 20:27 |
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| Chibi-Taiga | it wont reach that | 20:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | ArkAnGiCIA: hi | 20:27 |
| jacekowski | try | 20:27 |
| Chibi-Taiga | its no scouter | 20:27 |
| Chibi-Taiga | >_> | 20:28 |
| Otacon22 | My Symbol virtual keyboard is disappeared! Anyone can help me? | 20:28 |
| kerio | MNZ: less memes, more audio | 20:28 |
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| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, count to 10, and -o | 20:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | count to 10 and /kick ArkAnGiCIA | 20:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | ArkAnGiCIA: ping | 20:29 |
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| MNZ | kerio, :| | 20:30 |
| MohammadAG | oh, thought you were going to kick someone else | 20:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | ArkAnGiCIA: identify as human being, or get kicked | 20:30 |
| jacekowski | 19:29 [freenode] CTCP VERSION reply from ArkAnGiCIA: mIRC v6.32 Khaled Mardam-Bey | 20:30 |
| Chibi-Taiga | ok i used the qcpuferq to set it to 550 | 20:30 |
| * MNZ goes back to his hole | 20:30 | |
| _Lucretia_ | Can anyone help me with this? http://pastebin.com/C1SR0aU7 <- I can set up the n900 via QtCreator, but not by hand | 20:30 |
| kerio | MNZ: <3 | 20:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm | 20:30 |
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| _Lucretia_ | and before someone tells me just to use QtCreator, I'm not intending on using it just yet | 20:31 |
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| jpinx-eeepc | DocScrutinizer: update - ssh over usb working, N900 using the eeepc as a gateway to the wifi, debian chroot installed and the fs.img copied to allow me to "experiment" ;), | 20:31 |
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| jpinx-eeepc | currently logged in my ssh over USB and chroot int he copy and installing some stuff to see what'll run | 20:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | meh, out for shopping | 20:33 |
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| mece | 'ello | 20:34 |
| jpinx-eeepc | shopping? it's midnight:30 ffs! | 20:35 |
| Chibi-Taiga | snap , it stays 900mhz if i run overclock option 5 | 20:35 |
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| merlin1991 | oh you're still there jpinx-eeepc | 20:35 |
| jacekowski | that's good | 20:35 |
| jacekowski | leave it at 900 | 20:36 |
| Chibi-Taiga | 700 now lowest i can set it with the app | 20:36 |
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| timeless | oh, wow | 20:38 |
| timeless | this keyboard has ~ too | 20:38 |
| timeless | no need for the blue menu for it! | 20:38 |
| kerio | what kbd? | 20:39 |
| mece | timeless, which keyboard is thaT? | 20:39 |
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| kerio | and my keyboard has ~ too | 20:39 |
| kerio | as shift+fn+a | 20:39 |
| alterego | I'd like to map my backspace button to allow fn+bksp do tilde .. | 20:39 |
| Chibi-Taiga | is 700mhz also bad its still an oc of 50mhz per core though | 20:39 |
| mece | I've got alt-gr " on mine. It's a keytronic from 1991 :) | 20:40 |
| kerio | alterego: nah, that's tab | 20:40 |
| alterego | kerio: is it? Well, that's kind of cool too :) | 20:40 |
| kerio | also shift+fn+bksp = esc | 20:40 |
| mece | kerio: ctrl-i is tab | 20:40 |
| joga | ...fn+bksp is not tab | 20:40 |
| jpinx-eeepc | merlin1991: I'm having fun here - the chroot is copied for experrimentation | 20:41 |
| alterego | I think he might have been saying that's what he'd want it to be because of the simularity. | 20:41 |
| kerio | joga: it is on my remapped keyboard | 20:41 |
| joga | kerio, ok | 20:41 |
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| merlin1991 | jpinx-eeepc, but you're still using your weird ssh tunnel :D | 20:41 |
| jpinx-eeepc | merlin1991: I'm still using the ssh over usb and the eeepc as a gateway to the public wifi | 20:41 |
| joga | on my keyboard capslock is also ctrl, right ctrl is escape and scroll lock is esc+a but whatever :) | 20:41 |
| timeless | for me fn-z is ~ and fn-c is | | 20:41 |
| timeless | which is grerat | 20:42 |
| joga | oh and the key to the left of 1 is alt | 20:42 |
| timeless | as i have no need for GBP or EUR | 20:42 |
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| joga | I haven't remapped the n900 keyboard but having pipe and stuff would be nice, now I have those on the key bar though | 20:43 |
| mece | is there some howto on remapping? | 20:43 |
| mece | I wouldn't know where to start. | 20:43 |
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| FredrIQ | hmm | 20:45 |
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| kerio | mece: sudo vi /usr/share/x11/xkb/symbols/nokia_vndr/rx-51 | 20:46 |
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| kerio | or X11 | 20:47 |
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| mece | kerio, thanks.. looks like hard work though. | 20:51 |
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| kerio | nah | 20:51 |
| kerio | just mind the indistinguishable combos | 20:52 |
| Otacon22 | Hello, i need help on my n900: i can't no longer see the special character view pressing Sym+Fn | 20:52 |
| timeless | otacon: did you install something like the hebrew keyboard? | 20:53 |
| Otacon22 | timeless, i've installed scim some days ago | 20:53 |
| Otacon22 | but i've removed it | 20:53 |
| Otacon22 | completly | 20:53 |
| Otacon22 | since when i've installed scim the special character view doesn't appear | 20:54 |
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| lolloo | hello | 20:55 |
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| lolloo | Am trying to recieve Arabic E-mail... but when I open it in my N900 it shows wrong characters! | 20:56 |
| lolloo | as if it is not using the right unicode characters | 20:56 |
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| lolloo | it shows multiple "??????" so many | 20:56 |
| Chibi-Taiga | guys how can i get set my cpu to stock sped ? | 20:56 |
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| ArGGu^^ | Hello, my friend has a problem with his n900. If he has sms chat open, but display off his phone will not give any notification of received sms to that chat. | 20:59 |
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| ArGGu^^ | No sms ring tone, flashing led or vibration. | 21:00 |
| ArGGu^^ | Has anyone else had this problem? | 21:00 |
| timeless | seems likely to be by design | 21:01 |
| lolloo | mmm try call notifier app | 21:01 |
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| ArGGu^^ | lolloo you mean this? http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=48501 | 21:05 |
| ArGGu^^ | or is there another app | 21:05 |
| lolloo | yes this one | 21:06 |
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| Macer | i have no idea why but modest will no longer work with zimbra imap | 21:07 |
| ArGGu^^ | lolloo ok thanks. | 21:07 |
| Macer | any other client works | 21:07 |
| Macer | it will download the email lists from the imap but when trying to open an email it just kind of tries to open it then goes back to the email list screen | 21:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | mece: (gone, bah) http://wiki.maemo.org/Customizing_Maemo#Keyboard_characters | 21:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | Macer: dunno if notifier app will help, but likely it's a design flaw of conversations app | 21:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | Macer: also a known issue, though I don't know if there's a ticket for it yet | 21:10 |
| MohammadAG | Macer, happens to me sometimes, I clear modest's cache and it works again | 21:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | err, sorry ->arggu | 21:11 |
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| * DocScrutinizer hates drive-by askers | 21:12 | |
| Macer | MohammadAG: hm. where does it store the cache? in ~/.modest? | 21:12 |
| MohammadAG | yes, you might lose some settings :P | 21:13 |
| MohammadAG | the word some is probably an understatement here | 21:13 |
| MohammadAG | xD | 21:13 |
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| Macer | nope | 21:13 |
| Macer | it doesn't seem to even want to refresh the imap acct | 21:13 |
| Macer | was working fine with modest until i updated zimbra. but it is still odd that all other clients work with it EXCEPT modest :) | 21:14 |
| Macer | even the android email app works fine with it | 21:14 |
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| Macer | modest is the only one that isn't playing nice with zimbra | 21:15 |
| Macer | is there anywhere else modest keeps stuff? | 21:15 |
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| ShadowJK | there's a clear cache option in the modest menus, iirc | 21:17 |
| Macer | is there a verbose flag for running it from a term? | 21:17 |
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| ArGGu^^ | DocScrutinizer but How it can be a design flaw because it works on my n900 | 21:19 |
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| Macer | nope. still fail | 21:20 |
| Macer | although i'm a little confused as to me rm -rf .modest | 21:20 |
| Macer | and i still have settings at all :) | 21:20 |
| keesj | what is a good price for a second hand n900 these days? | 21:20 |
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| Macer | keesj: about $200 with a new contract from any carrier to get a good android phone | 21:20 |
| * Macer grins | 21:21 | |
| nox- | moin | 21:21 |
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| Macer | blah. of course modest has to be the only damn email client that doesn't work .. go figure | 21:22 |
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| Macer | the ONLY one i WANT to work :) | 21:22 |
| MohammadAG | Khertan_, ping | 21:22 |
| Macer | is there some other email client i can get for maemo that is integrated? | 21:22 |
| Macer | or that can be integrated? | 21:22 |
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| MohammadAG | nope | 21:23 |
| Macer | awesome | 21:23 |
| * ShadowJK used tcpdump to figure out what was wrong with his modest | 21:23 | |
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| Macer | ShadowJK: you are using a zimbra server too? | 21:23 |
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| Macer | wtf. i rm -rf .modest and i stil have settings | 21:24 |
| MohammadAG | gconf :P | 21:24 |
| ShadowJK | or .config/modest | 21:24 |
| SpeedEvil | apt-get remove modest | 21:24 |
| Macer | there isn't a .config/modest | 21:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | gconf-crap | 21:25 |
| ShadowJK | Macer, no I use dovecot | 21:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | maybe | 21:25 |
| Chibi-Taiga | guys is there an easy way to return to stock settings for cpu ? | 21:25 |
| MohammadAG | SpeedEvil, that fixes half the problem and creates another half | 21:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | Chibi-Taiga: reflash | 21:25 |
| ShadowJK | maybe you need to kill modest first | 21:25 |
| ShadowJK | it's left running after you close it | 21:26 |
| Macer | ARGH | 21:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | and odds are it even writes back config on regular quit :-P | 21:27 |
| MohammadAG | Chibi-Taiga, uhh, reflash stock kernel | 21:27 |
| Macer | i want to get a G2 but i don't think i can take this n900 anymore | 21:27 |
| Chibi-Taiga | i try | 21:27 |
| Chibi-Taiga | but it doent work | 21:27 |
| Chibi-Taiga | http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/7388/screenshot2010090620215.png http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/8855/screenshot2010090620214.png | 21:27 |
| Chibi-Taiga | is what it says but no changes | 21:28 |
| Macer | is there symbian for n900? | 21:28 |
| ShadowJK | no | 21:28 |
| Chibi-Taiga | when use this apt-get install --reinstall kernel kernel-flasher | 21:28 |
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| ShadowJK | Well you could try install it, I suppose, but then you'd have like 0 apps | 21:28 |
| ShadowJK | and probably not all the hw drivers needed to talk to stuff liek modem | 21:28 |
| Macer | haha | 21:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~flashing | 21:28 |
| infobot | [flashing] http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 21:28 |
| MohammadAG | I don't see a reason Symbian^3 can't be ported | 21:28 |
| MohammadAG | other than being pointless | 21:29 |
| Duckboot | Chibi-Taiga: That's a know problem - probably libsdl-ttf<something> | 21:29 |
| * ShadowJK nods | 21:29 | |
| Macer | i was hoping maybe since it was nokia's official OS that they might have had that going on or something | 21:29 |
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| ShadowJK | "avoid-frequencies" was misspelled btw | 21:29 |
| Chibi-Taiga | i see | 21:29 |
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| ShadowJK | not that I know what putting "echo" inside it would doo | 21:29 |
| ShadowJK | Macer, on the other hand they've shown videos of symbian on atom | 21:30 |
| Duckboot | Chibi-Taiga: I had to remove som games because of it. | 21:30 |
| Chibi-Taiga | well i dont know what to remove | 21:30 |
| Chibi-Taiga | i can uninstall everything again | 21:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~flashing | 21:30 |
| infobot | i heard flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 21:30 |
| Macer | ShadowJK: right about now i'd take anything other than maemo as long as the modem worked | 21:30 |
| Macer | i hope nitdroid puts the modem stuff in their next release | 21:30 |
| Duckboot | remove freeciv | 21:30 |
| ShadowJK | I think you're in the wrong channel then :) | 21:30 |
| Duckboot | Macer: It's the plan atleast | 21:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Macer: get a decent android phone? | 21:31 |
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| Chibi-Taiga | sigh this i wont do, last time when i changed libusb i had to format my pc since usb wont work so cant use kb/mouse | 21:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | I mean, that's about as silly as it can get - get a N900 and seek for nitdroid | 21:32 |
| Macer | DocScrutinizer: yeah. i'm looking at them now | 21:32 |
| Chibi-Taiga | ohwell guess i should use my portable charger now, since its idling at 500-700mhz | 21:33 |
| Macer | DocScrutinizer: well. i would stick with maemo if it was realistically going to be around in another year or so but that cow is dead | 21:33 |
| Macer | moo | 21:33 |
| * DocScrutinizer stares at Chibi-Taiga | 21:33 | |
| Macer | i suppose it will be around in a "well.. this is all i have to work with" kind of way with internet tablets | 21:34 |
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| Chibi-Taiga | would it work if i use nsu 3 ? | 21:34 |
| Chibi-Taiga | would it be stock again ? | 21:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | Macer: tell me why is that all dudes turning away from maemo for debatable reasons have the stong urge to let whole maemo community know about it? | 21:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | Chibi-Taiga: REFLASH!!! | 21:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ~flashing | 21:36 |
| infobot | well, flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 21:36 |
| * MohammadAG would bang head on keyboard, but the laptop's new | 21:36 | |
| Chibi-Taiga | guess i try it with nsu | 21:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | I guess I try it with +q | 21:37 |
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| Macer | debatable? :) i don't know. maybe to lure devs away from a dying os so they can work on one that might be around later.. but then again.. judging by what nokia did to maemo you never know what may be next ;) | 21:38 |
| Macer | hm. they don't seem to make newer android phones with hw qwerty :/ | 21:38 |
| luke-jr | _Lucretia_: I'm not sure on the 4.4 -> 4.5 changes; ABI also broke from 4.3 -> 4.4 | 21:39 |
| jpinxN900chroot2 | when I installed chroot, where was the command chroot installed? Not in /sbin I believe ? | 21:39 |
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| DocScrutinizer | `which chroot` helps | 21:40 |
| jpinxN900chroot2 | thanks DocScrutinizer | 21:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'm starting to build up a mood that's not adequate for participating in this chan... So o/ | 21:41 |
| jpinxN900chroot2 | take it easy mate :) | 21:42 |
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| GAN900 | Macer, MeeGo? | 21:42 |
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| _Lucretia_ | luke-jr: the abi thing tho, was an error and was fixable or was it done on purpose? | 21:43 |
| * DocScrutinizer switches the anti-t.m.o MTHELs to automatic mode, and leaves, mumbling weird stuff | 21:44 | |
| luke-jr | _Lucretia_: neither | 21:44 |
| _Lucretia_ | eh? | 21:44 |
| luke-jr | _Lucretia_: well, either intentional or acceptable | 21:44 |
| luke-jr | might have been a "oh, that broke compat… oh well" | 21:44 |
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| _Lucretia_ | luke-jr: I'll look into it | 21:45 |
| _Lucretia_ | luke-jr: do you know why I can't log into my n900 from mad? | 21:45 |
| _Lucretia_ | password just fails | 21:45 |
| luke-jr | _Lucretia_: no idea what mad is | 21:46 |
| _Lucretia_ | madde | 21:46 |
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| luke-jr | still | 21:46 |
| _Lucretia_ | k | 21:46 |
| * _Lucretia_ gave up on scratchbox and is trying madde instead | 21:46 | |
| slonopotamus | _Lucretia_: http://gcc.gnu.org/gcc-4.4/changes.html | 21:47 |
| * luke-jr is forbidden to tell what he uses. | 21:47 | |
| slonopotamus | _Lucretia_: Packed bit-fields of type char were not properly bit-packed on many targets prior to GCC 4.4. On these targets, the fix in GCC 4.4 causes an ABI change. | 21:47 |
| _Lucretia_ | luke-jr: cant be any worse than sb or buildroot | 21:47 |
| jpinxN900chroot2 | _Lucretia_: what aare you trying to do? | 21:47 |
| luke-jr | _Lucretia_: no, probably better. but DocScrutinizer insists it is off-topic and unwelcome here. | 21:47 |
| bobb | Need some advice on installing one ap on n900. Anyone? | 21:48 |
| luke-jr | _Lucretia_: if you're interested anyway, feel free to PM | 21:48 |
| slonopotamus | bobb: i advice avoiding installing it | 21:48 |
| _Lucretia_ | slonopotamus: and there will not be a 4.4 build of the fw for n900? | 21:48 |
| luke-jr | _Lucretia_: almost certainly not. that would break ABI :p | 21:49 |
| _Lucretia_ | jpinxN900chroot2: in what respect? general dev or madde? | 21:49 |
| slonopotamus | _Lucretia_: maemo is abandoned, isn't it? | 21:49 |
| _Lucretia_ | dunno | 21:49 |
| slonopotamus | (well, maybe there'll be pr1.3 with minor fixes, but i don't believe any more updates will happen) | 21:49 |
| _Lucretia_ | most likely, nokia tend to create something then abandon it straight away | 21:50 |
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| _Lucretia_ | slonopotamus: that is very annoying | 21:50 |
| bobb | http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/buscatcher-never_miss_another_tram/ | 21:50 |
| slonopotamus | _Lucretia_: that's nokia way | 21:50 |
| _Lucretia_ | especially after spending £400 on the thing | 21:50 |
| Chibi-Taiga | so nokia dropped the maemo project ? | 21:50 |
| Chibi-Taiga | last time i readed something that nokia want all its new deviced in maemo platform | 21:51 |
| slonopotamus | Chibi-Taiga: officially, not yet (though they stopped developing hildon) | 21:51 |
| Chibi-Taiga | i see | 21:51 |
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| luke-jr | Chibi-Taiga: uh, where'd you read that myth? | 21:51 |
| jpinxN900chroot2 | so much crap talked | 21:52 |
| _Lucretia_ | jpinxN900chroot2: My aim is to get a full ARM port of the GNAT compiler and wanted to use the latest version, oh well | 21:52 |
| Chibi-Taiga | ways back | 21:52 |
| luke-jr | Chibi-Taiga: the closest thing I've heard from Nokia is that Symbian is their phone platform | 21:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBvozWsdu5c 0:55 - all I can say | 21:52 |
| Chibi-Taiga | nokia wanted to o completly over to maemo t | 21:52 |
| Chibi-Taiga | ive readed | 21:52 |
| slonopotamus | Chibi-Taiga: that's outdated info :) | 21:52 |
| Macer | anybody want to buy my n900.. i'm going to switch to verizon and get an android phone in a couple of days so if anybody here is looking for one just let me know | 21:52 |
| slonopotamus | Chibi-Taiga: current thing is meego (though it doesn't support lots of stuff yet) | 21:53 |
| Chibi-Taiga | symbian seems the be most populair os for smartphones | 21:53 |
| Chibi-Taiga | no it does | 21:53 |
| _Lucretia_ | symbian really is shit tho | 21:53 |
| Chibi-Taiga | just need to code it yourself | 21:53 |
| Chibi-Taiga | linux is same as windows 2000nt | 21:53 |
| Chibi-Taiga | all manual instalation and coding | 21:54 |
| _Lucretia_ | does piss me off that we get fuck all from nokia, we give em £400-500 for this thing and then they say, fuck off | 21:54 |
| lpotter | fud. all of it | 21:54 |
| _Lucretia_ | I wasn't going to buy an n900 either, I was talked into it | 21:54 |
| Appiah | nokia never told me to fuck off | 21:54 |
| Appiah | ? | 21:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | _Lucretia_: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBvozWsdu5c 0:55 | 21:54 |
| slonopotamus | _Lucretia_: you wasn't forced to buy n900 | 21:54 |
| Chibi-Taiga | someone adviced me n900 | 21:54 |
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| jpinxN900chroot2 | DocScrutinizer: :( This video contains content from Turner EU, who has blocked it in your country on copyright grounds | 21:55 |
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| Chibi-Taiga | but he was a linux user so he knows his ways | 21:55 |
| MNZ | ROFL @ DocScrutinizer | 21:55 |
| jpinxN900chroot2 | Chibi-Taiga: please stop talking crap | 21:56 |
| slonopotamus | Chibi-Taiga: Nxxx are good until they're abandoned (what happens < 2 years after inception) | 21:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | jpinxN900chroot2: he won't - I asked several times | 21:56 |
| _Lucretia_ | Appiah: not directly, but by releasing something then dropping it after people pay (a lot of money for it), that's tantamount to saying "fuck off" | 21:56 |
| lpotter | dropping it? | 21:57 |
| Appiah | what the support is dropped? | 21:57 |
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| DocScrutinizer | WHO? DROPPED? WHAT? | 21:57 |
| Chibi-Taiga | i see | 21:57 |
| _Lucretia_ | potatoes | 21:57 |
| _Lucretia_ | anyway | 21:57 |
| Adeon | I dropped my lenses! | 21:57 |
| Appiah | please show me the source of this information _Lucretia_ | 21:57 |
| _Lucretia_ | can anyone help me with this madde thing? | 21:57 |
| Appiah | I dont belive nokia would drop the support | 21:57 |
| Chibi-Taiga | i should realy gone off samsung android | 21:57 |
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| _Lucretia_ | Appiah: just what I keep hearing in places like this | 21:58 |
| Appiah | well they have not :D | 21:58 |
| slonopotamus | DocScrutinizer: nokia stopped _any_ hildon development. that is called "drop support" | 21:58 |
| _Lucretia_ | Appiah: and this -> <slonopotamus> (well, maybe there'll be pr1.3 with minor fixes, but i don't believe any more updates will happen) | 21:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's what is called "mission accomplished" in my book | 21:59 |
| MNZ | Chibi-Taiga, #android | 21:59 |
| _Lucretia_ | Appiah: and what slonopotamus just said | 21:59 |
| Appiah | _Lucretia_: that does not mean end of support | 21:59 |
| Chibi-Taiga | but what would be best os for phones these time ? | 21:59 |
| jpinx-eeepc | _Lucretia_: if you are a dev, you should know better than to spread cruft like that | 21:59 |
| _Lucretia_ | Appiah: does mean dead project tho | 21:59 |
| Appiah | means they move on.. | 21:59 |
| lcuk | slonopotamus, nahh | 21:59 |
| _Lucretia_ | too quickly | 21:59 |
| Appiah | just like must OSs do | 21:59 |
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| _Lucretia_ | can anyone help me with this madde thing? | 21:59 |
| lpotter | slonopotamus: no, thats called stopping development | 21:59 |
| Appiah | who are you to decide the lifecycle? | 21:59 |
| _Lucretia_ | the end user | 22:00 |
| _Lucretia_ | anyways | 22:00 |
| crashanddie | that'll be enough of the flaming guys | 22:00 |
| slonopotamus | lpotter: "any development" includes bugfixes reported by users | 22:00 |
| _Lucretia_ | I just need help with -> can anyone help me with this madde thing? | 22:00 |
| timeless | o2 pretty much scewed me out of 20gbp | 22:00 |
| X-Fade | _Lucretia_: So your device is unusable the minute development stops? :) | 22:00 |
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| Macer | wonder if i can get $200 for this n900 | 22:00 |
| Macer | i bet i can easily ebay it to some sucker for that much :) | 22:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | sigh, go watch http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBvozWsdu5c 0:55 another few times, it's (for) *you* | 22:00 |
| timeless | and they can't even spell company right... | 22:00 |
| slonopotamus | lpotter: if user reports a bug against hildon and doesn't get it fixed, it effectively means he has no support | 22:00 |
| lcuk | slonopotamus, ahh | 22:01 |
| crashanddie | andre__: it's your last day? | 22:01 |
| lcuk | you mean like the one madam fixed after his little posting | 22:01 |
| lcuk | yes, i understand | 22:01 |
| X-Fade | Anyway, the n900 may have the longest support ever with meego on it. | 22:01 |
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| MNZ | DocScrutinizer, when will you start kicking? | 22:01 |
| slonopotamus | lcuk: i don't parse your random sounds :) | 22:01 |
| _Lucretia_ | X-Fade: and I saw a post today that mentioned it's likely it won't be an official image anyway | 22:01 |
| lcuk | slonopotamus, you don't have to. madam said hildon was free | 22:02 |
| X-Fade | _Lucretia_: Well, current development images published already look very promising. | 22:02 |
| GAN900 | Disgruntled consumers (yes, you do have a right to be) should take their complaints to Nokia (doesn't) Care. | 22:02 |
| lcuk | its a solid reliable desktop | 22:02 |
| slonopotamus | lcuk: yeah, but the point is that _nokia_ doesn't support it anymore | 22:02 |
| jpinx-eeepc | _Lucretia_: you have probably talked your way out of any possibility of help in here | 22:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | MNZ: not long until I either start shouting and kicking, or rather should really go for a walk, and hope the whining mood here will go away until I return | 22:02 |
| GAN900 | The phone number will be listed on your country's Nokia site. | 22:02 |
| lcuk | slonopotamus, strange | 22:03 |
| lcuk | do you have a problem with it | 22:03 |
| andre__ | crashanddie, is it? | 22:03 |
| lcuk | if so, wheres the bug | 22:03 |
| _Lucretia_ | jpinx-eeepc: why's that? because I had an opinion? I wasn't getting any anyway | 22:03 |
| lcuk | and have you contacted nokia support about it? | 22:03 |
| GAN900 | crashanddie, are you confusing Karsten with Andre? | 22:03 |
| lcuk | to ask | 22:03 |
| lcuk | if not, how do you know its not supported? | 22:03 |
| GAN900 | Now, this isn't to say that contacting Care wont be painful as hell, but it's better thanm shouting into the ether here. | 22:04 |
| slonopotamus | lcuk: you want to say there are no open bugreports in bugzilla against hildon? | 22:04 |
| lcuk | slonopotamus, i want you to ask nokia support directly | 22:04 |
| lcuk | if you have a problem | 22:04 |
| crashanddie | GAN900, andre__: apologies, my email ticker showed me an email from Andre quoting Karsten... without indicating it was a quote | 22:05 |
| lcuk | this channel is not a support mechanism | 22:05 |
| andre__ | crashanddie: in that case I am sorry too, as you've not gotten rid off me yet in maemo ;-)) | 22:05 |
| crashanddie | andre__: well, that's the whole point, WE DON'T WANT YOU TO GO | 22:05 |
| crashanddie | I was nearly shellshocked, "ANOTHER ONE LEAVING????? OMGeleven!!!" | 22:06 |
| andre__ | crashanddie: now that makes things more complicated. | 22:06 |
| crashanddie | lol, I'm kicking off "caps alerts" against myself | 22:06 |
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| andre__ | crashanddie: I don't plan to leave currently. However I've got my personal expectations towards Nokia with deadlines included that I communicate to them, as it seems that they learn too slowly from their mistakes. | 22:07 |
| slonopotamus | crashanddie: now you have to kick'n'ban yourself | 22:07 |
| X-Fade | crashanddie: We can't have andre__ leave, he is worth his weight in gold. (well not if he has a big mean, but normally yes ;) | 22:07 |
| X-Fade | s/mean/meal/ | 22:07 |
| infobot | X-Fade meant: crashanddie: We can't have andre__ leave, he is worth his weight in gold. (well not if he has a big meal, but normally yes ;) | 22:07 |
| andre__ | X-Fade: I know I have to lose weight (my g/f says the same), but thanks for the nice way you chose to express it ;-) | 22:08 |
| X-Fade | andre__: Hehe no problem ;) | 22:08 |
| MohammadAG | Unrar add-on for the file manager, for those lazy to use the CLI :P http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=808840#post808840 | 22:09 |
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| slonopotamus | MohammadAG: available in extras*? | 22:10 |
| slonopotamus | (maybe i'm too lazy) :D | 22:10 |
| MohammadAG | extras-devel | 22:10 |
| slonopotamus | cool | 22:10 |
| slonopotamus | +1 for you then :) | 22:10 |
| lcuk | slonopotamus, addendum, if you do find and fix a bug in hildon, submit a merge request to gitorious and see if it gets accepted :) | 22:11 |
| djszapi | is there a maemo 6 SDK ? | 22:11 |
| djszapi | :)) | 22:12 |
| djszapi | http://wiki.meego.com/Getting_started_with_the_MeeGo_SDK_for_Linux | 22:12 |
| slonopotamus | meh | 22:14 |
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| nox- | so there will be official support for meego on n900? | 22:15 |
| djszapi | nobody knows, neither does Nokia | 22:15 |
| nox- | ok :) | 22:16 |
| alterego | No, not official .. | 22:16 |
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| Chibi-Taiga | btw is there any way to make folders to drop the apps like on smartphones? | 22:30 |
| Chibi-Taiga | i mean menus | 22:30 |
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| FIQ | wut? | 22:32 |
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| FIQ | you can uninstall applications yes, if that was what you asked | 22:32 |
| Chibi-Taiga | no i wanna make menus like " internet applications in menu internet" | 22:32 |
| andre__ | smartphones? are they available yet? | 22:32 |
| andre__ | ah, categories | 22:33 |
| Chibi-Taiga | yea | 22:33 |
| andre__ | http://maemo.org/packages/view/catorise/ | 22:33 |
| Chibi-Taiga | is it safe ? | 22:33 |
| GAN900 | djszapi / nox-, no, no there wont be. | 22:34 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | screw catorize | 22:34 |
| Chibi-Taiga | 1st time i tryed mymeny my whole menu was gone | 22:34 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | apmefo ftw | 22:34 |
| nox- | ok | 22:34 |
| Jaffa_ | Ev'ning | 22:34 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | Chibi-Taiga: look for app called apmefo | 22:34 |
| timeless | andre: i was told by o2 that my n900 being a smartphone wasn't in the same class as the iphone | 22:34 |
| Jaffa_ | I hate flights which afre delayed. | 22:35 |
| Chibi-Taiga | ok i do | 22:35 |
| timeless | jaffa: geoping | 22:35 |
| Jaffa_ | especially when your phone battery starts dying. When your phone is an N900, that doesn't take that lokng | 22:35 |
| ml-mobile | not when you're using it heavily | 22:35 |
| * timeless only has one n900 for a month | 22:36 | |
| Jaffa_ | timeless: LHR (heading to Stockholm) | 22:36 |
| timeless | jaffa: darn | 22:36 |
| ml-mobile | the radios eat power like candy | 22:36 |
| timeless | i'm downtown | 22:36 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | lo Jaffa_ | 22:36 |
| timeless | had i stayed at a cheap hotel i could have tried to meet you at the airport | 22:36 |
| Jaffa_ | ml-mobile: No shit. | 22:36 |
| GAN900 | I think the battery scale is geometric. | 22:36 |
| timeless | although i suspect that'd cost you two passport stamps | 22:37 |
| GAN900 | Going from half to dead takes no time at all. | 22:37 |
| timeless | gan: it isn't linear | 22:37 |
| timeless | my impression is that this is fairly common | 22:37 |
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| Jaffa_ | Hmm, why am I underscroed. | 22:39 |
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| Jaffa_ | s/roe/ore/ | 22:39 |
| infobot | Jaffa_ meant: Hmm, why am I underscored. | 22:39 |
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| trumee | timeless: around? | 22:50 |
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| lcuk | bobb, why would you ask that sort of question in a private message window? | 22:56 |
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| lcuk | it says on the page he doesnt want to push to extras atm | 22:58 |
| lcuk | ie, ask him directly | 22:58 |
| lcuk | :P | 22:58 |
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| tobis87 | Hi! My last test shows, that twofish-cbc-essiv 256bit is as fast as aes-cbc-essiv 128bit WITH hw accel on the N900. :-D | 23:01 |
| SpeedEvil | Woo! | 23:02 |
| SpeedEvil | Or not. | 23:02 |
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| SpeedEvil | Do you happen to recall what the fastest hashing speed you've seen is? | 23:02 |
| mintux1 | I would like ssh to my phone without password so I did it this manual http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=41547 but I got this error http://codepad.org/Vs2MjCzP | 23:02 |
| tobis87 | maybe this is, because aes was optimized for x86 | 23:02 |
| mece | hmm.. that worked for me at least. | 23:03 |
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| mintux1 | mece: this how to ? | 23:03 |
| mece | yeah | 23:03 |
| mece | well I think it was that one. | 23:03 |
| mintux1 | a different things I saw was in /etc/passwd | 23:04 |
| tobis87 | blowfish was faster on all other architectures than x86... I don't know how much twofish builds on blowfish, but this is interesting... But could still be that the hw accel. driver is not working properly. | 23:04 |
| Chibi-Taiga | humm hey guys what was that unzipper called earlyer linked to me | 23:04 |
| mintux1 | in this how to it was user:!:29999:29999::/home/user:/bin/sh but mine was user:wN1DAS0Mqp3vE:29999:29999::/home/user:/bin/sh | 23:04 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | mintux1: you need to check etc/passwd and the perms of your home, .ssh, and .ssh/* | 23:05 |
| mintux1 | DocScrutinizer51: what should I check ? what looks for ? in /etc/passwd | 23:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | user:!: won't work | 23:06 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | your home and ssh dir mustn't be readable for others | 23:07 |
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| mintux1 | DocScrutinizer51: in /etc/passwd is user:*: | 23:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | that's ok afaik | 23:09 |
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| mintux1 | DocScrutinizer51: .ssh dir per is drwx------ | 23:09 |
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| mintux1 | DocScrutinizer51: and auth..._keys is -rw------- | 23:10 |
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| tobis87 | SpeedEvil: without encryption 16,1MB/s, aes-128 5,7MB/s, aes-128 hw accel 7,9MB/s, aes-256 4,4MB/s, aes-256 hw accel 6,6MB/s, blowfish-256 7,6MB/s, blowfish-320 7,6MB/s, twofish-256 7,9MB/s | 23:11 |
| tobis87 | SpeedEvil: gdd bs=1M count=100 if=/dev/zero of=/dev/mapper/swap | 23:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer | mintux1: and ~/. | 23:13 |
| tobis87 | 3 times, calculated the average | 23:13 |
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| Chibi-Taiga | DocScrutinizer i cant find that ApMeFo to download | 23:14 |
| MNZ | Chibi-Taiga, apt-get install apmefo | 23:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | MNZ: wtf? why not use ham? | 23:15 |
| mintux1 | DocScrutinizer: drwxr_xr_x | 23:15 |
| Chibi-Taiga | cant find package | 23:15 |
| Chibi-Taiga | so it says | 23:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | chmod go-a ~/. | 23:16 |
| MNZ | DocScrutinizer, if he was using HAM he would have found it, I was assuming he didn't find it because he was trying "ApMeFo" with apt-get | 23:16 |
| Chibi-Taiga | and extras devil dont work | 23:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | mintux1: or chmod 700 ~/. | 23:16 |
| mintux1 | DocScrutinizer: got same error.it my log http://codepad.org/eUyJWFng | 23:18 |
| MNZ | Chibi-Taiga, apmefo is on extras-devel, not extras-devil. | 23:19 |
| Chibi-Taiga | so anyone has the deb file or install ? | 23:19 |
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| Chibi-Taiga | is what i mean | 23:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_armel/apmefo/0.9-6/ http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle/free/a/apmefo/apmefo_0.9-6_all.deb | 23:19 |
| Chibi-Taiga | i downloaded an install file for that devel | 23:19 |
| Chibi-Taiga | operation failed | 23:19 |
| crashanddie | mintux1: .ssh/authorized_keys isn't an important file | 23:20 |
| mintux1 | crashanddie: I copy content on it | 23:20 |
| Chibi-Taiga | http://my-maemo.com/faq/showquestion.php?faq=4&fldAuto=16 used those files | 23:20 |
| crashanddie | mintux1: well, yeah, but other than that it's moot | 23:20 |
| Chibi-Taiga | but the devel dont work | 23:20 |
| mintux1 | crashanddie: so what shall I do now ? | 23:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | crashanddie: huh? | 23:20 |
| crashanddie | mintux1: the problem from that log you've shown is the fact it can't read your private key | 23:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | wait, now crashanddie comes with his /etc/based ssh config | 23:21 |
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| crashanddie | not at all | 23:21 |
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| crashanddie | I'm just looking at that log file, and seeing a bunch of errors about whitespaces | 23:21 |
| mintux1 | crashanddie: means I should create keys again and copy on it ? | 23:21 |
| crashanddie | which tells me that your id_rsa file is buggered | 23:22 |
| kerio | tobis87: what about cpu usage? | 23:22 |
| mintux1 | authorized_keys is a directory or file ? | 23:22 |
| crashanddie | file | 23:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | debug3: Not a RSA1 key file /home/mrg/.ssh/id_rsa. | 23:23 |
| mintux1 | so I copy contents of id_rsa.pub into authorized_keys | 23:23 |
| crashanddie | more importantly: | 23:23 |
| crashanddie | debug2: key_type_from_name: unknown key type '-----END' | 23:23 |
| crashanddie | debug3: key_read: missing keytype | 23:23 |
| mintux1 | I copied | 23:23 |
| crashanddie | mintux1: yeah, cp .ssh/id_rsa.pub .ssh/authorized_keys | 23:24 |
| mintux1 | I did everything wrote in that how to | 23:24 |
| crashanddie | ok, last question | 23:24 |
| mintux1 | crashanddie: I did it before | 23:24 |
| SpeedEvil | tobis87: I note time dd if=/dev/zero bs=1024 count=102400|md5sum - | 23:24 |
| SpeedEvil | real0m 3.49s | 23:24 |
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| crashanddie | well, I'm guessing that you have the wrong keys on the wrong machine | 23:24 |
| tobis87 | kerio: I didn't had any other program running than xterm, so I assume the fastes is the one with the most bytes per cycles. | 23:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | mintux1: aiui your local .ssh/id_rsa is borked | 23:25 |
| crashanddie | mintux1: you're trying to connect to your n900 over ssh with public keys, correct? | 23:25 |
| mintux1 | crashanddie: I did this steps: first remove both .ssh dir on my pc and phone. then I did that manual | 23:25 |
| mintux1 | crashanddie: yes | 23:25 |
| crashanddie | "that" means nothing to me | 23:25 |
| crashanddie | OK, I'll be your manual from now on | 23:25 |
| mintux1 | thanks | 23:26 |
| crashanddie | rm -rf ~/.ssh on both computer and n900 | 23:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | yikes | 23:26 |
| tobis87 | SpeedEvil: is the speed calculation from gdd not correct? why md5sum? | 23:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | suggest that to me, dude :-P | 23:26 |
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| mintux1 | crashanddie: done | 23:26 |
| crashanddie | mintux1: on the computer: ssh-keygen | 23:27 |
| SpeedEvil | tobis87: It's the only hashing function I'm aware of on the n900 by default | 23:27 |
| crashanddie | (use a passphrase, it's safer) | 23:27 |
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| mintux1 | empty or not? | 23:27 |
| crashanddie | ... | 23:27 |
| tobis87 | SpeedEvil: Yes, I have compiled rmd256... and used this for the tests | 23:27 |
| SpeedEvil | Actually - no - sha1sum is there too | 23:27 |
| mintux1 | I used passphrase | 23:28 |
| mintux1 | then | 23:28 |
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| crashanddie | ok, on your n900: mkdir ~/.ssh | 23:28 |
| SpeedEvil | md5sum goes at 30M/s, sha1 at 13.7 | 23:28 |
| mintux1 | now im in Enter same passphrase again: what should I enter? | 23:28 |
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| tobis87 | SpeedEvil: does md5sum use the kernel modules, or a userspace implementation? | 23:29 |
| mintux1 | ok I made .ssh | 23:29 |
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| SpeedEvil | tobis87: Oh. | 23:29 |
| SpeedEvil | tobis87: and : gdd if=/dev/zero bs=1024 count=102400|gmd5sum - | 23:29 |
| SpeedEvil | 104857600 bytes (105 MB) copied, 2.24353 s, 46.7 MB/s | 23:29 |
| Venemo | good evening guys | 23:29 |
| Venemo | &girls (if any) | 23:29 |
| mintux1 | crashanddie: then ? | 23:30 |
| SpeedEvil | With gsha1 being 21M/s | 23:30 |
| crashanddie | mintux1: chmod 711 .ssh | 23:30 |
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| crashanddie | (from memory, not sure of that one) | 23:30 |
| mintux1 | done | 23:30 |
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| Tuco | morning guys | 23:31 |
| crashanddie | on your computer scp ~/.ssh/id_rsa.pub user@IPofyourN900:.ssh/ | 23:31 |
| mintux1 | on n900 chmod 711 .ssh done | 23:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | 711? | 23:31 |
| SpeedEvil | tobis87: I would assume userspace. | 23:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | not 700? | 23:31 |
| crashanddie | DocScrutinizer: no, sshd needs to be able to enter it to read the authorized_keys file | 23:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | ooh | 23:31 |
| crashanddie | 1 is x on directory (traverse) | 23:32 |
| kerio | so i see the hw crypto is not much better than the sw crypto | 23:32 |
| mintux1 | crashanddie: I could not ssh http://codepad.org/71Tylb55 | 23:32 |
| SpeedEvil | kerio: This is hashing speed. | 23:32 |
| kerio | yeah, whatever | 23:33 |
| SpeedEvil | kerio: Also - trhe power usage may be different | 23:33 |
| kerio | ooh good point | 23:33 |
| mintux1 | afetr that manual I can not ssh to my phone | 23:33 |
| mintux1 | maybe I should change something in sshd_config | 23:33 |
| crashanddie | mintux1: not really | 23:33 |
| tobis87 | SpeedEvil: So the gnu program is faster... Anyway using sha1 is unsafe. There aren't many hash functions which are safe and fast. Whirlpool might be safe, but hell slow... The sha-2 group is only a matter of time to become broken, I would recommend rmd -> http://homes.esat.kuleuven.be/~bosselae/ripemd160.html | 23:33 |
| mintux1 | PasswordAuthentication no | 23:33 |
| crashanddie | mintux1: just get your id_rsa.pub file on there some other way | 23:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | send per email :-P | 23:34 |
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| mintux1 | crashanddie: I did in ssh_config PasswordAuthentication no | 23:34 |
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| mintux1 | return it ? | 23:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | could help | 23:34 |
| crashanddie | sorry, did not compute. | 23:34 |
| crashanddie | but yeah, set it to yes for a second | 23:34 |
| crashanddie | you'll have to create a password for the user account though | 23:34 |
| SpeedEvil | tobis87: Sure. | 23:34 |
| SpeedEvil | tobis87: It's interesting for some cases. | 23:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | I guess he already has | 23:35 |
| tobis87 | kerio: it is faster, but only for aes... twofish is as fast as the hw version of aes | 23:35 |
| crashanddie | tobis87: sha1 isn't safe? | 23:35 |
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| DocScrutinizer | <mintux1> in this how to it was user:!:29999:29999::/home/user:/bin/sh but mine was user:wN1DAS0Mqp3vE:29999:29999::/home/user:/bin/sh | 23:35 |
| SpeedEvil | tobis87: For example - deciding if of all of the pages in RAM - any are identical | 23:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | but | 23:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | <mintux1> DocScrutinizer51: in /etc/passwd is user:*: | 23:35 |
| mintux1 | crashanddie: I see password prompt but it doesn't accept my password | 23:35 |
| crashanddie | mintux1: on the n900, root, then passwd user | 23:36 |
| mintux1 | DocScrutinizer: I think it refer to that point. it doesn't accept my pasword my config is user:*:29999:29999::/home/user:/bin/sh now | 23:36 |
| mintux1 | ok | 23:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | mintux1: passwd user on N900 xterm | 23:36 |
| crashanddie | DocScrutinizer: he has to root first, otherwise it asks for the current password | 23:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep | 23:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's why passwd user, not just passwd | 23:37 |
| crashanddie | true | 23:37 |
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| mintux1 | done . but I got http://codepad.org/vkPBxgWa | 23:38 |
| tobis87 | SpeedEvil: http://cryptome.org/sha1-attacks.htm | 23:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | mintux1: ls .ssh please | 23:39 |
| crashanddie | mintux1: ls -l ~/.ssh | 23:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | even that | 23:39 |
| mintux1 | it's wonderful I created ~/.ssh/id_rsa.pub before . http://codepad.org/lAsDxFS9 | 23:39 |
| mintux1 | I created again | 23:40 |
| crashanddie | mintux1: were you root when you did ssh-keygen? | 23:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | lol | 23:40 |
| crashanddie | ssh-keygen generates the id_rsa and id_rsa.pub files | 23:40 |
| SpeedEvil | tobis87: For whch I utterly don't care about those attacks as long as sha1 is a valid hash function. I do not especially care about attacks on the hashing algorithm. | 23:40 |
| crashanddie | it even sets the right permissions on .ssh and files inside it | 23:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | in the .ssh of *current user* | 23:40 |
| mintux1 | in ~ . but I think something is wrong . I'll create it again | 23:40 |
| mintux1 | now I have it | 23:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-) | 23:41 |
| mintux1 | done | 23:41 |
| mintux1 | id_rsa.pub 100% 397 0.4KB/s 00:00 | 23:41 |
| crashanddie | good, now try to ssh | 23:41 |
| crashanddie | woops, sorry | 23:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | eh? | 23:41 |
| crashanddie | forgot one step | 23:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | mv rsa.pub hosts_allowed | 23:42 |
| crashanddie | no | 23:42 |
| crashanddie | mv ~/.ssh/id_rsa.pub ~/.ssh/authorized_keys | 23:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | err, yes | 23:42 |
| crashanddie | on the N900, AS USER | 23:42 |
| crashanddie | not root | 23:42 |
| luke-jr | pffty | 23:42 |
| luke-jr | ssh-copy-id wfm | 23:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: ack | 23:43 |
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| crashanddie | luke-jr: well, that only works if password is allowed in the first place, which wasn't the case here :P | 23:43 |
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| mintux | I disconnected . please copy if you wrote anythings | 23:44 |
| mintux | sorry | 23:44 |
| crashanddie | mintux1: as user on n900: mv ~/.ssh/id_rsa.pub ~/.ssh/authorized_keys | 23:44 |
| mintux | ok | 23:44 |
| mintux | done | 23:45 |
| crashanddie | now it should work | 23:45 |
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| mintux | yeah | 23:45 |
| mintux | that works | 23:45 |
| mintux | it's great | 23:45 |
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| mintux | now I can continue writing my bash script | 23:46 |
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| mintux | crashanddie: DocScrutinizer: thanks so much | 23:46 |
| crashanddie | my pleasure | 23:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | yw | 23:46 |
| mintux | :) | 23:46 |
| crashanddie | so that was the good deed for the day | 23:47 |
| crashanddie | now I can go to bed | 23:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | mintux: keep your rsa_key and rsa_key.pub, you can use them everywhere and multiple times | 23:47 |
| mintux | hmm | 23:47 |
| crashanddie | and deactivate password login on n900 | 23:47 |
| tobis87 | SpeedEvil: Yes, it won't be easy to replace it anyway, since it is used everywhere... But if you can choose, you should consider to not use it. Regarding OTP, i meant to use it to encrypt a harddisk would be unpractical. Of course you could use otp to encrypt the key which then unlocks the harddrive. But the harddrive itself wouldn't be otp encrypted, only the key is. | 23:47 |
| mintux | excellent | 23:47 |
| mintux | crashanddie: why deactivate? | 23:48 |
| crashanddie | tobis87: which is what I explained last time | 23:48 |
| SpeedEvil | tobis87: Or for some tasks, it's uninteresting - as I don't care if the encryption is any stronger than CRC32 | 23:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's on your discretion | 23:48 |
| mintux | it works now without deactivate | 23:48 |
| mintux | hmm ok thanks | 23:48 |
| kerio | crc32 is awesome and inexpensive | 23:48 |
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| mintux | crashanddie: have good night | 23:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | mintux: just it's a security consideration to either keep passwd-auth or disable it | 23:48 |
| mintux | ok | 23:49 |
| mintux | DocScrutinizer: means . if ssh from another machine that config will loss ? | 23:49 |
| luke-jr | any idea how many watts the N810 needs on AC? | 23:49 |
| luke-jr | wondering if I can use a splitter to put N810 and MBP on a 100 watt power inverter.. | 23:49 |
| kerio | what mbp? | 23:50 |
| luke-jr | MacBook Pro | 23:50 |
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| kerio | duh | 23:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | mintux: nope | 23:50 |
| kerio | what one? | 23:50 |
| luke-jr | there's more than one MBP? | 23:50 |
| Shadikka | there's like 25 different MBPs. | 23:50 |
| kerio | i think the 13" have the smaller charger | 23:50 |
| kerio | the 65W | 23:50 |
| kerio | as opposed to the 85W | 23:50 |
| luke-jr | how can I tell? | 23:50 |
| kerio | it's written on the charger | 23:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | it just means whenever you want to establish ssh keys on any other machine, don't rerun ssh-keygen but just use the same files | 23:50 |
| kerio | :) | 23:50 |
| crashanddie | kerio: 60W mine says | 23:51 |
| luke-jr | 85W | 23:51 |
| kerio | oh, it was 60 | 23:51 |
| kerio | luke-jr: hmm | 23:51 |
| kerio | that leaves you with 15W for the charger :| | 23:51 |
| crashanddie | which is 3 amps at 5V, largely enough | 23:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | mintux: use ssh-copy-id to any machine, as suggested by luke-jr, or do same steps of scp and mv, but do NOT rerun ssh-keygen | 23:52 |
| luke-jr | so how much does N810 need? | 23:52 |
| mintux | DocScrutinizer: hmm | 23:52 |
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| luke-jr | does it make any difference if I intend my MBP to be powering my N900 btw? | 23:52 |
| crashanddie | luke-jr: it's written on the charger | 23:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: do NOT rm -rf .ssh | 23:52 |
| luke-jr | crashanddie: not mine | 23:52 |
| kerio | luke-jr: nah | 23:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | err | 23:53 |
| luke-jr | hmm, can MBP charge when it's asleep? :/ | 23:53 |
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| DocScrutinizer | mintux: do NOT rm -rf .ssh | 23:53 |
| kerio | luke-jr: not mine :( | 23:53 |
| crashanddie | luke-jr: no | 23:53 |
| kerio | it works for the fucking ipod, why doesn't it work for the n900 :( | 23:53 |
| tobis87 | Is there a difference between bash and bash3 in the repos? | 23:53 |
| mintux | DocScrutinizer: yeah ok . ill be careful | 23:53 |
| crashanddie | luke-jr: the N900 thinks it is, because the mbp provides 5V, but there's some weird apple voodoo going on with the data wires | 23:53 |
| kerio | anyway, keep in mind that your battery can probably output more W than the charger | 23:53 |
| * luke-jr wonders if there's any possibility to have MBP power off its hard drive completely until I say otherwise | 23:53 | |
| kerio | i have a 85W charger but the battery could output 90W | 23:54 |
| kerio | luke-jr: hmm | 23:54 |
| kerio | hibernate? | 23:54 |
| crashanddie | kerio: I have the 60W charger and 85W battery | 23:54 |
| kerio | heh | 23:54 |
| crashanddie | kerio: so when I'm running hardcore compilation or photo work, my battery drains even when on AC | 23:54 |
| kerio | luke-jr: can't you charge the n8x0 with the mbp? | 23:54 |
| luke-jr | kerio: err, no? | 23:54 |
| kerio | why not? :o | 23:55 |
| crashanddie | why not? | 23:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: N810 etc power converter charger needs some 5W MAX | 23:55 |
| kerio | no power through usb? | 23:55 |
| luke-jr | N8x0 doesn't charge via USB… | 23:55 |
| kerio | sorry for not knowing the hardware of a tablet i don't have and i don't care about :< | 23:55 |
| luke-jr | (my N8x0 doesn't charge period, though) | 23:56 |
| crashanddie | luke-jr: sure you can: http://europe.nokia.com/support/product-support/nokia-ca-100 | 23:56 |
| luke-jr | it only runs with AC | 23:56 |
| luke-jr | crashanddie: I'm not in Europe | 23:56 |
| crashanddie | they sell it everywhere :D | 23:56 |
| luke-jr | meh | 23:56 |
| crashanddie | or ebay does | 23:56 |
| luke-jr | I don't have time | 23:57 |
| luke-jr | need it in under 24 hours | 23:57 |
| kerio | the inverter will work doc sez | 23:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | yup | 23:57 |
| luke-jr | cool | 23:58 |
| luke-jr | assuming it does 100W as advertised… | 23:58 |
| luke-jr | <.< | 23:58 |
| MohammadAG | hmm | 23:58 |
| MohammadAG | is there anything faster than X11vnc? | 23:58 |
| MohammadAG | like.. starting X remotely | 23:58 |
| MohammadAG | I want my N900's display on my laptop's screen | 23:58 |
| crashanddie | tobis87: at some stage, we attempted to use smart-card provided certificates for hard drive encryption | 23:58 |
| luke-jr | MohammadAG: no | 23:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer | usually they do a bit more even than what's advertised, though only for a short while | 23:59 |
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| kerio | MohammadAG: X11 was compiled without TCP support :( | 23:59 |
| crashanddie | tobis87: the main problem was that a/ you limit yourself to one single user b/ recovery is a lot more difficult, even with key escrow | 23:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: also your MBP charger won't take max all the time | 23:59 |
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