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* DocScrutinizer51 is idly wondering if there's any such thing like BT A2DP *broadcast* (multiple headphones for one source) - or if this might be a feasible hack serverside to simply allow multiple pairings01:08
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lcukneat idea01:09
lcukDocScrutinizer51, what do you know about OSMoComBB01:09
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lcukcos I was asking some symbian bod about the emulation of older devices01:09
lcukand it was brought up01:10
DocScrutinizer51he main dude is what I know best of it01:10
DocScrutinizer51(haralf laf0rge welte that is)01:10
lcukhmm I shall have to investigate further01:11
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lcuki dont think its what I want however01:11
DocScrutinizer51damn getting tennis thumb trying to type without covering gsm ant01:11
lcukbecause from what I can see, its OSS implementation of the low level gsm driver01:11
DocScrutinizer51whole MT gsm stack01:12
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DocScrutinizer51on calypso (fr and some old moto? phones)01:13
lcukyeah DocScrutinizer5101:14
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lcukjust looked interesting from a different angle at least01:14
DocScrutinizer51soft cell tainted love, have to go in (RF white area)01:14
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uhsfPeople here know about the WeTab? It seems they will beat Nokia for the first MeeGo device.01:22
BugBluea nice tablet, not a mobile01:23
uhsfI'd like nokia to release something like this.01:24
keriocrappy form factor01:26
andaxuhsf, "exclusive content" isnt anything that decoys me. The world is already mine :D01:26
DocScrutinizer51uhsf: if it were a GSM enabled device I'd really roll on floor laughing01:27
andax"news like never before" cannot be better than USENET01:27
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andax"Because the whole world is working for you", allright, that is a point where i share my opinion01:28
* DocScrutinizer51 feels silly01:28
uhsfok so you don't like gsm devices bigger than n90001:28
kerioi'd really go for a *smaller* gsm device01:29
keriopossibly something without an OS01:29
ieatlintdoesn't look like a bad device, but i think the archos tablets might be sightly better01:29
kerioyou know, a phone :)01:29
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andaxi dont need a bigger one myself, because my eyes are myopically anyway01:29
BashHey guys01:29
andaxbut sometimes it would be nice to have a bigger screen, especially when you want show something to someone else01:30
ieatlinti like that the display size is listed in inches... you have to deal with our crappy measurement system :P01:30
DocScrutinizer51I'd *adore* a gsm device size of N81001:30
DocScrutinizer51no luke-jr, not double the thickness and 1.7 times the weight01:31
DocScrutinizer51just a N810 maybe + 10% each dimension01:33
ieatlinti'd love an ipad that didn't have apple's software restrictions and hardware restrictions01:33
merlin1991ieatlint,  that's no ipad then :D01:33
lcukDocScrutinizer51, see the person who is making n810 gsm01:34
lcukpage 2 has nice pics01:35
ieatlinti'm just crazy i guess for wanting things like a function usb port, or an sd card slot, or the ability to truly multitask (and not just dual-task on pre-approved applications that apple blesses) i guess01:35
DocScrutinizer51lcuk: if that's the proj I seen 3 months ago, then screw it. no phone01:35
uhsfI'd love a 10" 1080p OLED Linux slate tablet.01:35
ieatlint1080p on 10" seems overkill01:36
ieatlint720p is realistic... but there aren't even many 15"+ laptops that have 1080p01:36
GAN900ieatlint, for a netbook, not a tablet.01:36
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GAN900Tablet's need to have enough dpi to pixel double websites.01:37
ieatlintdunno, i think 720p would be easily sufficient, and the extra processing power needed for 1080p would be wasted01:38
ieatlintbetter put to use elsewhere01:38
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luke-jrDocScrutinizer51: weakling02:18
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DocScrutinizer51cp -a /media/mmc1/ /home/user/MyDocs/16G02:26
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DocScrutinizer51freeze system friggin shit02:28
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keriorsync dat shit02:32
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psycho_oreosMohammadAG51, ping02:49
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DocPyrotizeryeah really. Copy your uSD (16G quite partially populated) to eMMC - end with system completely freezing, only thing that still somewhat works is screenlock and taskswitcher. even this freezes when you dare to close conversations in taskswitcher -> "conversations not responsive. close?" yes/no no effect other than clickclickclickclickclickclickclickclickclickclickclickclickclick03:15
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keriowait, why aren't you scrutinizing anymore?03:16
keriodecided it wasn't worth the effort and started burning shit?03:16
DocPyrotizermean whhile battery is at end, and yeah, 90s after plugin it notices "charging"03:16
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DocScrutinizerfireworks over03:17
keriodid you complete the copy at least?03:17
DocScrutinizerit's STILL COPYING :-(((03:17
kerioand you should've used rsync03:17
keriorsync > cp any day of the week03:18
DocScrutinizerrsync for copying my local uSD to my local eMMC??03:18
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keriorsync is fucking awesome03:18
SpeedEvilkerio: except wednesday.03:18
MNZDocScrutinizer, rsync only copies what needs copying03:18
kerionah, including wednesday03:18
MNZbut you are taking a backup? so that's everything03:18
DocScrutinizersorry dude my beer in pub is waiting, and for aforementioned reasons I'll not be able to continue this convo03:19
keriowhy do you have a n900 if you can't irc while in a pub?03:19
SpeedEvilGood luck!03:19
DocScrutinizerMNZ: all needed copying03:19
DocScrutinizerit lives03:19
kerioyay ^_^03:19
DocScrutinizerDocScrutinizer51: ping03:19
kerioswap is a bitch03:19
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kerioi bet that's what fucks up IO the most03:20
DocScrutinizerfix fsckng IO freeze issue while I care for my beer03:20
MNZpeace doc03:21
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keriolinux claims ram for io cache, moving shit to the swap03:21
kerioin the meantime, everything else tries to access the swapped ram03:21
kerioand the system grinds to a halt03:21
keriobecause, you know, swap still sucks03:21
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MNZkerio, that's what swapiness setting is for03:22
kerio0 or 100?03:22
MNZI don't remember any more03:23
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MNZbut the kernel does it's best to guess what you are thinking of doing and what you want03:23
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MNZso cut it some slack!03:23
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TiagoTiagoa quick question, would it be safe to symlink the pymaemo folder moving it toinside MyDocs?03:24
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TiagoTiagoi had to reflash my N900 and i don't remember all i had to do to have rootfs and /opt not run out of space last time :(03:25
kerioi guess 003:26
keriosince swap sucks :<03:26
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MNZkerio, it doesn't really suck when the OOM, God spare us from its evils, kicks in to kill your microb session with that email you've been writing for a friggin hour03:27
MNZ(that is, if you have swapoff)03:27
kerionot swapoff03:27
keriojust swappiness to '03:27
kerioto 003:27
SpeedEvilI had gnuplot kill damn near my whole laptop.03:27
kerioas in, "don't swap untill you have to"03:27
keriognuplot is awesome03:28
SpeedEvilThen I realised I was trying to plot 20000 lines from a 1.3 million line file.03:28
kerioand by newplot i obviously mean gnuplot03:28
* kerio glances at the clock and sighs03:28
kerioSpeedEvil: heh03:28
MNZwell, I have read a thread over at lkml about the merits of swapiness set to 100.... the make some compelling points. It just doesn't always work :/03:29
kerioswappiness to 100 makes sense for a desktop03:29
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MNZI mean a lot of the time you have stuff that's sitting in there taking up precious cache space03:29
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SpeedEvilswap needs a few more tweakables.03:29
kerioMNZ: maemo has a lot of stuff that's there taking precious cache space03:29
kerioand it needs *all*03:29
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kerioand really, who needs lots of IO on a mobile device03:29
SpeedEvil The madvise() system call advises the kernel about how  to  handle03:30
SpeedEvil       paging input/output in the address range beginning at address addr03:30
SpeedEvil       and with size length bytes.  It allows an application to tell  the03:30
SpeedEvil       kernel  how  it expects to use some mapped or shared memory areas,03:30
TiagoTiagook, how about /opt/var , is it safe to move it to mydocs and symlink it?03:30
MNZTiagoTiago, don't03:31
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lcukTiagoTiago, did you finish copyng?03:31
MNZTiagoTiago, stuff in /opt isn't on rootfs03:31
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TiagoTiago /opt is also needing free space03:31
keriomoving stuff to MyDocs will result in fail03:32
keriosince mydocs is vfat03:32
lcukTiagoTiago, whats up now?  have you recovered the content on opt03:32
SpeedEvilWhat I did was tar up all the stuff on mydocs to home.03:32
lcukie, how did you go from "no files in opt" last night, to this now03:32
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kerioreally, reflash03:32
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kerioit's no biggie :<03:32
TiagoTiagono,, i reflashed rootfs, it recreated \opt, now i' reinstalling all the shit i had before, but there's not wnough space for everything yet03:33
TiagoTiagoMyDocs survived the reflash to rootfs just fine though:)03:34
MNZbecause it's on the eMMC not on the rootfs03:34
TiagoTiagoyeah, but i was told to backup it in case somthing went wrong with the reflashing03:35
TiagoTiagoi beleieve it's usually safe to move and symlink shit to MyDocs if it isn't used at boot and the files and folders in question don't use any of the fancy features missing in VFAT, is not correct?03:36
TiagoTiagois that not+03:37
lcukTiagoTiago, no, moving stuff to MyDocs and symlinking ontop of the symlinks! will cause problems03:38
lcukbesides, content within the folders themselves might expect/require permissions03:38
lcukand vfat cannot host them03:38
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lcukTiagoTiago, i am pleased you got it back working though03:38
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SpeedEvilI simply tarred up all on mydocs onto /home. Then deleted the partition, made a new 4G one for mydocs, and a 26 for data.03:39
SpeedEvilI mount /home/user/data on boot03:39
TiagoTiagonomis, i mean moving plain folders and files, stuff like game data etc03:39
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TiagoTiagohm, i guess i might have fucked things up by moving pymaemo, did it had any executables? :(03:39
kerioMyDocs is actually noexec03:40
kerioso yeah03:40
TiagoTiagoany way i can fix this without yet another rfeflash?03:40
* lcuk giggles03:40
kerioTiagoTiago: probably not03:40
lcukTiagoTiago, backup all your stuff03:40
lcukand reflash03:40
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TiagoTiagofuck :(03:41
smharI can see updates for both pyqt4demo and pyqt4full but I can not install as it complains about conflicts03:41
lcukjust reflash, if you backed up last night theres not much :P03:41
lcukand just take care with sizes of installing stuff03:41
kerioreflashing is incredibly fast anyway03:41
lcukmy car can fit 4 people in it03:41
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TiagoTiagoit takes ages to install shit03:41
lcuki dont try to squash 2503:41
keriolcuk: that's why you'll never enter the guinness world record03:42
lcukkerio, lol03:42
TiagoTiagocould someonee please upload their pymaemo folder for me to replace the one i fucked up please?03:43
lcukTiagoTiago, how about an alternative03:44
lcukcheck contents of /var/cache/apt/archives03:44
lcukmost of the .debs should be there03:44
lcukcopy them somewhere03:44
lcukfor instance03:44
lcukand then REFLASH03:45
lcukthen you dont have to redownload them all you could do a bulk dpkg -i03:45
lcukand then when you need to reflash again tomorrow03:45
lcukyou will be quicker again :P03:45
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TiagoTiagoit takes ages to install shit, i alreadey installed a buch of stuff alrfeady03:45
luke-jrTiagoTiago: use apt03:45
TiagoTiagoeven with local debs03:46
smharshould I remove the old ones first? it is strange as it is supposed to 'update'03:46
TiagoTiagoplease, it's just a single folder, i shouldn't need to reset everything just to repl ace a single folder03:46
TiagoTiagohow big is it?03:47
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TiagoTiagoyou guys are hesitanting on doing my request 'because it's too big to upload imn a decent amount of time?03:48
keriowe're hesitating because indulging into someone's mistakes is definetely *not* helping them03:49
keriowhich is what this channel is for03:49
kerioyou screwed up03:50
TiagoTiagoi should have confirmed the yes i got here was really for me and not part of a different convo, i've learned my lesson03:50
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kerionext time, you'll think twice before moving unix stuff into a non-unix fs03:50
kerioi mean, it's not like we don't want to help you because it's long and boring03:51
keriowe're doing this for you :P03:51
TiagoTiagosure, though i had already done it safelly with lots of folders, i just went a bit too fast for safety with this folder03:51
MNZTiagoTiago, which folder again?03:51
MNZyou can fix the perms03:51
TiagoTiagopymaemo in /opt03:51
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TiagoTiagonomis, i checked the copy in mydocs and somthing went wrong, itm+ empty :(03:52
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DocScrutinizer(<kerio> swap is a bitch) No swapping involved - I got load applet, stating CPU 100%, swap <10%03:52
kerioDocScrutinizer: already drank your beer?03:52
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DocScrutinizersure. Was half empty 0.3303:53
TiagoTiagoso basicly, worse than loosing permissions i've accidently deleted the folde03:53
DocScrutinizerI just ran home for charger03:53
keriothat's... not enuff beer03:53
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DocScrutinizerclirrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrck - it still is alive, over there :-D03:54
DocScrutinizer(IRC highlite)03:54
keriolinux doesn't crash ^_^03:54
TiagoTiagois there a way to do a nondestructive flashing that just adds missing files not touching anything else?03:54
MNZTiagoTiago, yeah, fiasco image surgery03:54
DocScrutinizerkerio: it just gets slow as molasses03:54
keriowhich is still better than blowing up03:54
kerioat least, for your data03:55
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lcukTiagoTiago, since its you03:55
lcuki will send you the files by irc03:55
lcukusing binary03:55
DocScrutinizerwell, the call was `cp -apv ...` so let's see what the v detail got us03:55
MNZheh hold on03:55
MNZyou said pymaemo?03:56
TiagoTiagowhere can i learn how to that, or even better, where can i find a step by step guide that will let me achive the result even if i don't understand what Im' doing?03:56
MNZthat is not one of the packages in the image.... just reinstall the package03:56
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TiagoTiagoit's not?03:57
MNZnvm what I just said03:57
MNZbecause I have no idea03:57
TiagoTiagowell, i/e just hit enter for "apt-get install pymaemo" lets see what happens03:57
TiagoTiagocrap, couldn't find it :(03:58
MNZTiagoTiago, well I just searched around and did some grepping, no package03:58
MNZok hold on03:58
DocScrutinizerlcuk: what's causing this incredible mess? is maemo kernel for the litter?03:58
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TiagoTiagodoes xchat supports file transfer? and would it preserve file atributes?04:00
lcukDocScrutinizer, ?04:00
DocScrutinizerlcuk: I mean, a `cp -apv /some/dir/with/4GB /some/where/else` ustn't result in *complete* unusability of device, even for a nice -10 rootsh04:00
lcuki am in other chans DocScrutinizer so not watching scrollback04:00
lcukwhat is -apv?04:00
lcukand when is it noticed as a problem?04:01
DocScrutinizerarchive preserve-permns verbose04:01
lcukand where are the 2 paths04:01
lcukand what else is running04:01
lcukie, is it getting trackered04:01
DocScrutinizerfirst path = uSD, 2nd = eMMC04:01
lcukor is norton kicking in :P04:01
lcukwhere in emmc04:01
DocScrutinizernothing else is running04:01
lcuktracker then likely04:01
DocScrutinizerno tracker04:01
lcukinotify kicking in04:02
lcukand scanning whilst copying04:02
DocScrutinizerthat's a killer cmd in a root shell with prio 004:02
MNZI was under the impression rootfs.jffs2 inside the fiasco image is just an FS image... what's "HIT archive data" ?04:02
lcukDocScrutinizer, show me specifically then04:02
TiagoTiagocan't anyone help me fix my mistake other than by insisting i reflash again?04:02
lcukits not a killer until you give specifics really04:02
lcukand I would put it to tracker04:02
MNZTiagoTiago, I was just looking into the thing, but I can't mount the rootfs... just hold on for a few04:02
lcukTiagoTiago, what speed kernel are you running on04:03
TiagoTiagook, thanx04:03
DocScrutinizercp -apv /media/mmc1 /home/user/MyDocs/16g04:03
kerioDocScrutinizer: try killing the tracker04:03
lcukDocScrutinizer, and how do you know that tracker isnt kicking in04:03
DocScrutinizerwas the exact command, shot in a root shell04:03
TiagoTiagoi left it at the default after the reflash04:03
keriotracker is a whiny bitch when you copy files around04:03
DocScrutinizerBS, there's no tracker involved04:03
keriogot the same thing04:03
lcukDocScrutinizer, ?04:04
lcukhow do you know04:04
lcuktracker kicks in when files dropped into folders04:04
lcukyou are dropping files into folders04:04
DocScrutinizerit kills even a nice -10 bash04:04
lcuknow, you please tell me how you know its now04:04
DocScrutinizerthe device freezes completely04:04
lcukok, so what is tracker doing04:04
lcukor top04:04
DocScrutinizertbh there's not even a way to kill any tracker04:04
DocScrutinizerbut *my* tracker runs on nice -1004:05
DocScrutinizerhtop freezes04:05
lcukwhat is top of top04:05
MNZahh was just missing the module for jffs2 :|04:05
DocScrutinizeranything arbitrary on top of top04:06
lcukDocScrutinizer, you have evaded every simple question i have asked :P04:06
DocScrutinizereven changing every 10 min04:06
kerioDocScrutinizer: i had the same problem04:06
keriodid a copy on a folder that wasn't tracked04:07
keriono problems04:07
DocScrutinizerlcuk: you're asking Q that can't be answered, as you doen't understand the severity of the problem04:07
kerioDocScrutinizer: nuke the copy from orbit04:07
lcukso instant death the minute you copy a file from mmc1 to mydocs?04:08
DocScrutinizerthe device is TOTALLY frozen for everybody but me I'm willing to wait 10min for a result of a click04:08
kerioDocScrutinizer: it's the tracker04:08
MNZTiagoTiago, I'm sorry but I can't seem to extract the image04:08
kerioi had the same fucking problem04:08
keriowhy aren't you listening to me :'(04:08
DocScrutinizerlcuk: nope, it built up over 5 min04:08
MNZTiagoTiago, actually..04:08
lcukand DocScrutinizer potentially mucking with the nice of things may not be helping04:08
kerioreally, stop the copy04:08
keriocreate a non-tracked directory, or tar everything into a single file04:09
kerioand try again04:09
TiagoTiagocan you compress the folder from your device in a format that preserves atributes and upload or otherwise send it to me somehow?04:09
kerioTiagoTiago: yes i can04:09
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TiagoTiagodo it please?04:09
DocScrutinizerkerio: BS, my tracker is at nice -10 and configured to ignore verything on eMMC except .music or whatever04:10
MNZTiagoTiago, apt-get install --reinstall python2.5-minimal python-support python2.5 python-osso04:10
lcukDocScrutinizer, why is tracker at -1004:10
TiagoTiagothanx, i!l try that :)04:10
DocScrutinizerlcuk: because I edited trackers config04:10
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DocScrutinizernice 1004:10
MNZTiagoTiago, if I was in anyway awake I would have suggested that much earlier -__-"04:11
DocScrutinizerit's not called nice in tracker's config04:11
DocScrutinizerbut it does nice04:11
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lcukDocScrutinizer, ok04:11
lcukso for a user to reproduce04:11
lcukthey have to get root04:11
lcukmodify the config04:11
lcukadd a new mmc04:11
lcukcopy some files04:11
TiagoTiagoit's alright, thanx for insisting on trying to find a solution for my issue :)04:11
DocScrutinizererr what?04:11
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kerioi'd go "kill tracker"04:12
kerioi mean, killall04:12
MNZTiagoTiago, np, just hope it works right :/04:12
keriowhile true; do killall -9 tracker; done04:12
DocScrutinizerkerio: no problem, I'll manage to enter that in 5min, and probably in 10min it'll tell me 'no process to kill'04:13
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keriowhy don't you want to stop the copy? :/04:13
TiagoTiagohm, it got errors :(04:13
lcukhitting higher than tracker in this instance04:13
DocScrutinizerI can stop the copy any time, by ^Z, and then system back to normal. Do you think I'm a 14yo nob?04:14
lcukcopying all jpgs from dcim onto my mmc04:14
lcukbut its 10% only04:14
h4waiiI do.04:14
MNZTiagoTiago, pastebin?04:14
kerioDocScrutinizer: then why don't you... do that04:14
kerioso you can try to stop the tracker to see if it's that04:14
kerioor if it's something else04:14
DocScrutinizerkerio: why don't you fix IO freeze? do it!04:14
lcukwhat cpu% is the cp command eating04:14
kerioi blame tracker :D04:15
lcukspecifically cp?04:15
MNZDocScrutinizer, is that IOWait or actual cpu usage?04:15
keriook, i blame busybox04:15
lcukits eating 1.9% here04:15
lcukooh upto 504:15
DocScrutinizerfor all I can get from htop with 1 refresh every 10 min, yes. 100% copy04:15
GeneralAntillesStupid ISP opted me back into their idiotic DNS hijacking program.04:15
lcuknot htop :P04:15
lcukDocScrutinizer, reproducability please04:16
lcukyou understand why :P04:16
kerioGeneralAntilles: call them and tell them you'll quit the contract if they don't get rid of that bullshit for you04:16
keriothat usually helps04:16
MNZTiagoTiago, ah... it's unpacking the wrong package first...04:16
lcukGeneralAntilles, argh04:16
lcukthe internet is more than the web but they dont understand :'(04:17
keriolcuk: you mean, like, the facebook?04:17
MNZTiagoTiago, apt-get install --reinstall python2.504:17
TiagoTiagoi gotta change the order of the names after reinstall? what would be the correct sequence?04:17
MNZTiagoTiago, no, dpkg will re-order them. Just issue the python2.5 one first, then all the others04:17
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TiagoTiago :(04:19
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MNZTiagoTiago, okay you probably still have pymaemo mounts still active....04:19
MNZTiagoTiago, pastebin the output of the 'mount' command04:20
DocScrutinizerload 9.06, lag for a screen click:20s, top of htop: htop, CPU:13%04:20
lcukDocScrutinizer, "/usr/libexec/gst-.."04:20
lcukkilling it04:20
lcukwhen copying from mmc to MyDocs, finding out specific04:20
DocScrutinizeraudio clicks storing up like 3min, then clirrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrk04:21
MNZTiagoTiago, yes you do. Well, what I'm about to say next is highly speculation, but based on educated guesses04:21
TiagoTiagocan i unmount those safelly and then repeat the installs?04:22
MNZapt-get remove pymaemo-optify04:22
MNZnow recheck mounts04:22
MNZif still there, umount them04:22
DocScrutinizerlcuk: entering a single key/char to xterm takes some 5s, starting and executing top takes 3 min04:22
DocScrutinizertil first display04:22
DocScrutinizerand no, it's not dbus-scripting going havoc this time, only 146 processes04:23
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TiagoTiagothat ididn't go so well, it started to uninstall a bunch of things,, and then it rebooted....04:25
MNZwait what.04:26
MNZshould have stopped it if it pulled dependencies down :S let me check the deps04:26
TiagoTiagothe terminal listed a bunch of things it was also uninstalling, and then before i could read it all it i t rebooted04:27
MNZ?? so did it continue with the uninstall?04:27
MNZbecause it has to wait for your input really04:27
* lcuk was under the impression there is a "Y/N" option asked04:27
lcukDocScrutinizer, after hte first attempt04:27
TiagoTiagoi don't remember hitting it04:27
lcuki redeleted fies and tried agian04:27
lcuknow the cp is taking <1%04:27
TiagoTiagoi mean, i just remember runnign the command, then switching to xchat, then switching back when i saw some msgs about bluetooth and it had a big list, i was reading and it rebooted04:28
DocScrutinizermy copy still not finished, and taking the device to nirvana04:28
h4waiiThe hell are you guys doing?04:28
TiagoTiagoafter reboot there are a lot of pymaemo mounts still there04:28
lcukh4waii, DocScrutinizer is stresstesting04:29
MNZTiagoTiago, apt-cache policy pymaemo-optify04:29
DocScrutinizerlcuk: (<lcuk> DocScrutinizer, "/usr/libexec/gst-..") doesn't help, I can't get the correct cmdline in any reasonable time04:29
lcukDocScrutinizer, me neither04:29
lcukit was actually sluggish that one time04:29
lcukwhen i opened the font select04:29
lcukand when it came back with smaller font it wasnt on top04:29
MNZDocScrutinizer, ps aux | grep gst-04:29
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lcukso it mayv been a redherring04:29
MNZor did I get you wrong?04:29
DocScrutinizerheh clicks almost like normal from other room, maybe it recovers04:30
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DocScrutinizerMNZ: I'll tell you the result of that when it appears on screen, in 3h04:30
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MNZTiagoTiago_, so... your device is rebooting randomly?04:31
TiagoTiago_dunno, first one after the reflash04:31
MNZas expected, pymaemo-optify was obviously not uninstalled04:32
MNZI just checked, all python packages depend on it. which is good actually. just nuke everything python and reinstall it04:33
TiagoTiago_how exactly?04:33
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MNZapt-get remove pymaemo-optify04:34
TiagoTiago_wasn't that what we just tried?04:34
MNZwhich will pull with it all python packages.04:34
sevardi just found my n810 in a box!  i haven't seen this thing in a year.04:34
MNZyeah, except your device reboot randomly, and I doubt it's got to do with removing python04:34
lcuksevard, :D04:34
sevardanything awesome for this old platform in a year?04:34
TiagoTiago_E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem.04:34
lcukinstall telescope on it04:34
MNZTiagoTiago, do so04:35
lcukgives you the dashboard effect without needing 3d04:35
MNZTiagoTiago, please confirm the deps it's removing though when you start the remove.04:35
lcukyou can tile your apps :D04:35
DocScrutinizer51^ctrl Z and everything allllll back to normal (except I typed ahead a lot)04:35
sevardtelescope hmm04:35
kerioDocScrutinizer: yay04:35
sevardill look once all the updates finish lol04:35
keriopage faults?04:35
sevardim so excited this thing was my best friend for the longest time.  i was homeless and it was my main pc04:36
lcuksevard, :)04:36
DocScrutinizer51just 8 wrote 'almost all back to "04:36
TiagoTiago_i did had a few random reboots before i touched the overclocking stuff, very sporadic events though04:36
sevardstealing wifi and power, writing resumes.  it got me a nice job04:36
lcukawesome !04:37
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DocScrutinizer51end still typing ahead whole sentences04:37
lcukdont steal tho !04:37
derfSounds like a Nokia ad campaign in the making.04:37
lcukderf, thinking the same lol04:37
DocScrutinizerthis sucks!04:37
lcukDocScrutinizer, what are you actually copying?04:38
lcukis it stuff that tracker likes to eat?04:38
TiagoTiago_ok, its also uninstalling a bunch of python programs, this time i explicitly permitted it, probably gonna be better to install those agaon once python is fixed anyway04:38
lcukie 10gb of movies04:38
DocScrutinizerlast post of DocScrutinizer51 was completely typed and entered before 3rd char showed up04:38
lcukor 10gb of random04:38
MNZTiagoTiago, actually, it's removing python itself, along with all python based programs04:39
lcukso far, you have spent the last 2 nights on here04:39
sevardlcuk i can't remembe how to get rid of the black abc bar in terminal Â:/04:39
MNZTiagoTiago, if all goes as the pre and postrm scripts dictate, then you should have no mounts from pymaemo, and just "apt-get install python2.5" and you are done04:40
sevardalso i installed telescope how the heck do i run it04:40
lcukhmmm sevard the black bar, IDK04:40
TiagoTiago_even when you're being grumpy and calling me names, it's quite productive to come here for help :)04:40
lcukreboot perhaps04:40
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DocScrutinizer51„/media/mmc1/aux-install/900808/uImage-2.6.29-oe10+gitr119838+2d158aae9d8d36f575504f59884ed8e80802efe2-r3.5-om-gta02.bin“ -> „/home/user/MyDocs/16G/mmc1/aux-install/900808/uImage-2.6.29-oe10+gitr119838+2d158aae9d8d36f575504f59884ed8e80802efe2-r3.5-om-gta02.bin“„/media/mmc1/aux-install/900808/uImage-2.6.29-oe10+gitr119838+2d158aae9d8d36f575504f59884ed8e80802efe2-r3.5-om-gta02.bin“ -> „/home/user/MyDocs/16G/mmc1/aux-install04:40
lcukTiagoTiago_, oh we aint grumpy04:40
sevardill try rebooting!04:40
lcukits informative to see you fail04:40
DocScrutinizersorry "it's dead Jim"04:40
lcukespecially since you were overclocking04:41
BadabingNLanyone know why i cant use my usb drive in my CANON camera after i had formated in my n900 :)04:41
h4waiiStress testing whatmt, lcuk?04:41
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lcukh4waii, hes got a bug where something is eating his interactivity04:41
lcukand shouting louder than usual ;)04:41
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TiagoTiago_ok, no pymaemo mounts now04:41
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lcukDocScrutinizer51, ok, so its a single massive file04:42
MNZTiagoTiago, good, now "apt-get install python2.5"04:42
lcuki am off to bed04:42
lcuki shouldv gone earlier04:42
MNZlcuk, don't you want to see TiagoTiago_ finally succeed :O04:43
TiagoTiago_rest well, dude04:43
DocScrutinizerit copied the backup of the eMMC I did to uSD, back to eMMC. It copied "9" video and other shit just "fine" while freezing the device04:43
lcukMNZ, nahh he will be back tomoroow :P04:43
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MNZlcuk, haha. well good night to you sir04:43
DocScrutinizerand now I stopped the copy by ^Z and still device is crap04:43
sevardlcuk: rebooted... ;my home button still isnt doing anything new... interesting04:43
* lcuk actually installs new libliqbase first and considers testing it on -devel04:43
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MNZDocScrutinizer, everything swapped or what?04:44
DocScrutinizerdunno id that's thermo-throttle or what04:44
DocScrutinizerswap is down to 10%, according to load applet04:44
sevardi can launch it from term04:45
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sevardBackground mode: 204:45
DocScrutinizerbtw load applet is just fine, updates every second04:45
sevardX Error! [10, 33, 0]04:45
TiagoTiago_increase in themperature is supposed to increase resistance in most electronic things, so i guess thermo-throtling is an inherent property os most circuits04:45
DocScrutinizeralso task switcher usually kicks in just in 5s04:45
DocScrutinizerbut takes 100s to select any task04:46
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DocScrutinizerlock slider switch also fine04:46
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DocScrutinizerlemme check if I can get a ssh over wifi04:47
TiagoTiago_MNZ :
DocScrutinizerwell, a bit sluggish, but connects04:48
DocScrutinizerMem: 243384K used, 2156K free, 0K shrd, 9864K buff, 106232K cached04:48
DocScrutinizerCPU:  7.7% usr  6.9% sys  0.0% nice  0.0% idle 85.3% io  0.0% irq  0.0% softirq04:48
DocScrutinizerLoad average: 8.08 8.01 8.0804:48
DocScrutinizer  PID  PPID USER     STAT   RSS %MEM PU COMMAND04:48
DocScrutinizer 5408  5405 user     S      964  0.3  5.7 /opt/maemo/usr/bin/htop04:48
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johnxwell, there's your answer :)04:49
johnxa little busy with the io04:49
MNZTiagoTiago, 0_o that's not supposed to happen, but try "apt-get install -f"04:49
johnxtransferring stuff to emmc?04:49
DocScrutinizercan anybody explain to me how I get a load of 8.08 with a CPU usage of 10%???04:49
johnxDocScrutinizer, waiting on io04:50
johnxread what you pasted :P04:50
DocScrutinizercause it's still copying04:50
johnxsooo, what explanation did you need?04:51
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DocScrutinizernota bene I ^Z the cp command some 10min ago04:51
MNZTiagoTiago, it should work it out alone, it's a rather trivial package problem. But then again I'm not exactly sure how you uninstalled python and apt didn't remove those packages as well04:51
johnxI would describe the situation as "something bad happened"04:52
DocScrutinizeryeah obviously04:52
MNZjohnx, you mean Bad Things(tm) happened04:52
johnxah, that is the term I was looking for04:52
BadabingNLwait until u get this loadavg :  load average: 7258.33, 2264.42, 807.05  ( almost highest record 10k++04:52
johnxpossibly also that something has failed to "do the right thing"04:53
johnxdoes top show you anything about any process with mmc in the name?04:53
DocScrutinizertell me how to grep in top output :-P04:54
MNZDocScrutinizer, lsof -n | grep MyDocs04:54
MNZand try with 'grep /home' too04:55
DocScrutinizerIroN900:~# lsof -n | grep MyDocs04:55
DocScrutinizercp        5182       root    4w   REG      179,9 75100160      10723 /home/user/MyDocs/16G/mmc1/aux-install/900808/shr-full-glibc-ipk--20090808-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs204:55
johnxcan you manage to kill -9 that cp?04:55
cehtehDocScrutinizer: i used --bwlimit to throttle rsync04:56
cehteh(and maybe nice, ionice)04:56
MNZTiagoTiago_, so what happened after apt-get -f install ??04:56
DocScrutinizerIroN900:~# ps ax|grep 518204:57
DocScrutinizer 5182 root      4628 D    cp -i -apv /media/mmc1/ /home/user/MyDocs/16G04:57
TiagoTiago_it took some time doing stuff, the xterm buffer now is filled with lines about files not found04:58
DocScrutinizerMem: 238788K used, 6752K free, 0K shrd, 4128K buff, 109268K cached04:58
DocScrutinizerCPU:  7.5% usr  5.5% sys  0.0% nice  0.0% idle 86.9% io  0.0% irq  0.0% softirq04:58
DocScrutinizerafter kill04:58
MNZTiagoTiago, what do you mean 'doing stuff'? what did apt say it was going to do exactly?04:59
DocScrutinizernow down to 0O04:59
DocScrutinizer0 % IO04:59
TiagoTiago_i didn't pay attention, it filled the screen with scrolling text, here's the final few lines :
DocScrutinizerLoad average: 5.05 7.00 7.6305:00
DocScrutinizerthat's not been tracker!05:00
MNZTiagoTiago_, yes because none of that shit will install because you don't HAVE python :/ wtf is wrong with apt05:00
johnxDocScrutinizer, were you copying to emmc or a microsd card?05:00
DocScrutinizerthat's been the fsckng cp which freezed whole device05:00
DocScrutinizerfrom uSD to eMMC05:00
DocScrutinizerLoad average: 2.12 5.52 7.0405:01
kerioyou mean µSD05:01
johnxwhenever flash is involved my first question is usually: "Could it be corrupted?" and since its flash the answer is almost always "Yes, it could."05:02
DocScrutinizerI mean ju suck05:02
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kerioi wonder how µ is normalized05:02
keriohmm, just µ05:02
DocScrutinizerhmm, corrupted MyDocs... errrm :-/05:03
cehtehDocScrutinizer: you still have FAT?05:03
DocScrutinizernuttin in dmesg05:03
johnxDocScrutinizer, are you pondering or do you see evidence?05:03
sevardlcuk: telescope is so freaking awesome!!!05:04
DocScrutinizercehteh: sure, default system05:04
DocScrutinizersee NO evidence whatsoever05:04
TiagoTiago_MNZ there is a python in the path somewhere (itms listed when i type py and double tap tab)05:05
MNZTiagoTiago_, ls -ld /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages05:05
MNZdoes it exist?05:06
TiagoTiago_drwxr-xr-x    3 root     root         4096 Sep  3 22:53 /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages05:06
DocScrutinizerjohnx: you got a uSD with some huge files on it? just do `cp -apv /media/mmc1 ~user/MyDoc/xy` (as root)05:07
johnxis 600MB big enough?05:07
MNZTiagoTiago, ok, wild guess but "apt-get install --reinstall python-dbus python-gobject python-pygame wifieye"05:07
DocScrutinizerI got some 3 GB, but suffering from t0+30s05:08
MNZTiagoTiago, please look at what it says before accepting05:08
johnxDocScrutinizer, and you think that big files are a problem while small files might not be?05:08
DocScrutinizerseems it's not really related to size of files05:08
DocScrutinizerif they aren't tooooo small05:08
johnxdumb question, but how is disk usage?05:09
DocScrutinizerI copied a backup of "9" video on uSD back to eMMC, and taht for sure froze the whole thing05:09
sevardOn the nokia n810 does anyone know how to get rid of the black abc bar when the keyboard is open -- what use is the damn bar anyway05:10
KaKaRoToanyone here knows what's the USB controller on the n810 ?05:10
MNZTiagoTiago_, continue then05:10
DocScrutinizernoty bene I did all this from a root shell05:10
DocScrutinizerniceness 005:10
johnxKaKaRoTo, text suggestions. turn off predictive something or other in input05:10
KaKaRoTojohnsu01, what ?05:11
KaKaRoTooh, that was for sevard05:11
sevardKaKaRoTo: idk but if you have a powered hub you can throw it in to host mode with USBControl05:11
johnxah, sorry about that. wasn't paying attention O_o;05:11
KaKaRoTosevard, no, I mean what johnx said was meant for you :p05:11
KaKaRoToMohammadAG51, there ?05:12
sevardKaKaRoTo: i know, hopefully thats what you were looking for05:12
DocScrutinizersevard: ORLY?05:12
sevardDocScrutinizer: yarly05:12
KaKaRoTosevard, no, I don't care about host mode05:12
DocScrutinizerdamn, I wasted my time the last 8 months05:12
KaKaRoToI just want to go play in the controller's driver, and want to know which one it is05:12
MNZKaKaRoTo, what!? EVERYONE cares about host mode05:12
KaKaRoToMNZ, lol, not me :p05:13
TiagoTiago_again a bunch of file does not exist fillinng up the buffer and errors processing python-dbus -gobject -pygame and wifieye  again05:13
sevardjohnx: i don't see that anywhere :/05:14
DocScrutinizersevard: could you join h-e-n and report about your findings?05:14
DocScrutinizerI mean, nobody else made this work in a reliable way05:14
TiagoTiago_ok, i was allowed to remove wifieye, gonna try removing the other ones too and then install python agaion05:14
MNZTiagoTiago_, frig. let me take yet another wild wild guess and ask you to "apt-get remove python-dbus python-gobject python-pygame wifieye" then "df -h" into pastebin05:15
johnxsevard, tet-input -> languages -> settings -> unclick all the check boxes05:15
infobotjohnx meant: sevard, text-input -> languages -> settings -> unclick all the check boxes05:15
sevardDocScrutinizer: i used to use it daily to hook my 20gb ipod straight to my n810 for movie storage or my targus multicard reader for cf or sd card reading/writing05:15
DocScrutinizersevard: did you use MohammadAG51 's patches, or did you ground ID pin? or did you use egoshin's method?05:15
DocScrutinizerpfrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrt :-P05:16
sevardDocScrutinizer: none, USBControl and a battery poweered hub05:16
johnxDocScrutinizer, wrong device. :P05:16
DocScrutinizeryeah, on my laptop I don't even need USBcontrol - it works ootb05:16
sevardjohnx: yaayy!!! that was very non intuitave.  thanks dude :D05:18
johnxnot a problem :)05:18
KaKaRoTodoes anyone know if it's possible to install the DIABLO SDK on the latest scratchbox (installed from the maemo 5 sdk installer)05:18
sevardDocScrutinizer: do you want the make and model of usb hub i use?05:18
DocScrutinizernot really, thanks dude05:18
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SpeedEvilModel of hub is unfortunately not really helpful at all05:19
SpeedEvilalso - n810 is not interesting at all05:19
DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: forget it, a troll claiming N810 can actually do hostmode05:19
johnxDocScrutinizer, WTF are you on about?05:20
sevardwhy?  you can throw it in host mode and upload your pictures or play a movie on a car ride fro your ipod05:20
sevarddude what05:20
sevarddo you want pictures...05:20
SpeedEvilI though n810 'just worked'05:20
DocScrutinizersevard: really exciting news05:20
SpeedEvilModulo no power05:20
johnxDocScrutinizer, we've had host on the N8x0 for *2 years*05:20
DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: N810 has powe05:21
sevardn810 doesn?t just work you need usbcontrol to throw it into nost mode05:21
DocScrutinizerrjome too05:21
SpeedEvilThat is just working.05:21
DocScrutinizerjohnx: me too me too me too05:21
SpeedEvilFrom the POV of the complexity of getting it working right on n900.05:21
sevardSpeedEvil: you also need a powered hub05:21
johnxDocScrutinizer, then why did you call him a troll? i"m like, totally lost ...05:21
DocScrutinizersevard: nope you don't05:21
sevardjohnx: no idea05:22
* DocScrutinizer yaaaaawns, sorry to lame05:22
sevardDocScrutinizer: a client mode devide doesn't provide power on the line.  you need a powered hub.05:22
sevarddo you want a fucking video what are you on about05:22
MNZTiagoTiago_, did your device just die or what :D ?05:22
DocScrutinizeranybody thinking of N810 hostmode as a new exciting thing is a troll in my book05:22
johnxthe N8x0 is happy to supply 100mA (or 200mA) which is often enough to run a lower power device, like a keyboard or usb stick05:23
DocScrutinizeresp when posting "I got hostmode" while not mentioning "on N810"05:23
TiagoTiago_MNZ check this
sevardjohnxÃ: that's really interesting, i thought no power was provided05:23
johnxDocScrutinizer, no. the n810 was the topic from the beginning. you missed it, then called him a troll05:23
DocScrutinizersevard: tried USBcontrol on N900??05:23
sevardDocScrutinizer: i _only_ have an n810< don?t blame me if you can?t keep up on the conversation05:24
johnxthis is the maemo channel, not the N900 channel, after all05:24
MNZTiagoTiago, yes we already established that it thinks it has python. But just in case, --reinstall python2.5 python2.5-minimal, then install python-pygame and see what happens05:24
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DocScrutinizertbh I got other more hurting problems than N810 hostmode05:26
johnxDocScrutinizer, ok05:26
DocScrutinizerN810 hostmode isn't worth talking about, it 'just works'05:27
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sevardjohnx: telescope is a w e s o m e05:28
johnxsevard, yeah saw the youtube clip05:28
johnxI'll have to bust my N800 out and play with it :D05:28
sevardjohnx: having not picked this thing up for a year anything else i should know about?05:28
sevardthis blows me away05:28
johnxI haven't picked it up in that long either <_<05:29
sevardhaha damn05:29
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DocScrutinizerand what's even more disgusting and boring, we can't use the way it works on N810, for N90005:30
johnxgreat. let's have another argument about how much we miss N8x0 features05:31
sevardi have to ask, are you drunk?05:31
TiagoTiago_MNz heres the output
sevardjohnx: so i shoudln?t be jealous of the 900?  i was thinking about selling and upgrading05:31
MNZTiagoTiago_, you don't have to pastebin things that go by the book :D05:32
TiagoTiago_lolcat, ok05:32
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johnxsevard, it's nice in so many ways. but some people nitpick every little thing05:33
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TiagoTiago_now what i was supposed to install again?05:33
sevardi see05:33
johnxlike "why is there no d-pad?" or "I liked the N810 keyboard more" or "why is the screen smaller?"05:33
MNZTiagoTiago_, try python-pygame, it should install cleanly.05:33
DocScrutinizer-8who's missing N910 features05:34
sevardnooo it's too pretty it has too many graaaphics05:34
johnxDocScrutinizer, you are. you were just complaining about host mode ...05:34
MNZjohnx, sevard
TiagoTiago_couldn@t find package pygame, do you remember if it had caps somewhere?05:35
DocScrutinizer-8waaah, a completely different kbd feeling :-)05:35
MNZTiagoTiago, python-pygame05:35
TiagoTiago_ah, right, ok05:35
DocScrutinizer-8johnx: I??? complaining?05:35
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DocScrutinizer-8only thing I'm maybe complainingnbout is the lack of GSM in N81005:36
johnxMNZ, classic :)05:36
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sevardMNZ: for some reason mytube won't play that.  what is it?05:37
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TiagoTiago_ok, that one went well as well05:37
DocScrutinizer-8and the very different kbds, it is irritating after months of N90005:37
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DocScrutinizer-8and it collected dust :-P05:38
MNZTiagoTiago_, congrats. now check for pymaemo mounts, and it probably won't be there (unless it was pulled in again by python). What that means is you now have an un-optified python, that is, your python install is in roofs not opt05:38
sevardDocScrutinizer: /wrists05:38
MNZsevard, it's the xphone :D latest gadgetry05:38
TiagoTiago_what else should i install to restore python to the proper state?05:38
sevardmnz ill save it for the laptop later :)05:39
TiagoTiago_hm, its mentionning opt there05:39
MNZsevard, also happens to be fully backwards compatible :D you just have to see the vid05:39
MNZTiagoTiago_, yeah, opt has to be in there, but is there any pymaemo?05:40
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sevardMNZ: that.  looks.  so.  damn.  hot.  lol.05:42
johnxDocScrutinizer, well you are right. copies to the emmc are insanely slow05:42
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johnxand yes, the UI is really unresponsive05:43
h4waiiI despise IO on the N900.05:43
TiagoTiago_hould i try to install the python optify package (i forgott the name) ?05:43
MNZTiagoTiago_, yeah I just checked, it's unavoidable. pymaemo-optify is a dependancy of python2.5-minimal. in other words, you have to have python optified05:44
h4waiiEdit the control file.05:44
TiagoTiago_so it's already here?05:44
MNZin other words, you picked a very wrong package to move to mydocs because this one does a whole bunch of wicked mounting and linking besides the 'normal' optification05:44
MNZin other words, don't attempt moving pymaemo from opt again or Very Bad Things(tm) will happen, again.05:45
MNZIf I get up now I can actually sleep before it's 5 am for a change :D05:45
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TiagoTiago_yeah, that was stupid, thanx for all the help, you saved the day :)05:46
TiagoTiago_rest well :)05:46
MNZanywho TiagoTiago_ now you know just how messed up the optification system is, it's best not to mess with it :D05:46
MNZgood night folks!05:46
johnx'night MNZ05:47
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TiagoTiago_now, back to trying to find stuff that can be safelly relocated to MyDocs05:48
johnxDocScrutinizer, great. and my IO stayed close to 100% after I killed the transfer, but it went away quickly after that05:49
lolcatTiagoTiago_: What?05:49
TiagoTiago_i' trying to free as much space as possible in rootfs and /opt05:49
DocScrutinizer51johnx: flashing buffers I guess05:49
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johnxTiagoTiago, It's cool to hack around with this stuff, but you have to realize that what you're doing is *highly* likely to cause exactly the same problem you just had05:50
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DocScrutinizer51anyway stskeeps asked me about same problem05:50
TiagoTiago_lolcat, yeah, it was dumb to move that folder without being completly sure it was safe05:50
johnxDocScrutinizer, did you have tracker killed when you did the move?05:51
DocScrutinizer51seems meego also suffering from general szstem freeze on IO05:51
TiagoTiago_erm, how did i autocomplete? O.o05:51
DocScrutinizer51nope there never was any tracker05:51
johnxand moves the other way are fine, right?05:51
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DocScrutinizer51seems yes, as I did a full backup of eMMC to uSD05:52
DocScrutinizer51without noticing such shit05:52
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johnxyeah, just copied '9.mp4' to microsd. no 30% IO time and responsive the whole time05:53
DocScrutinizer51wonder if it's swap related nevertheless05:53
johnxI could reboot, swapoff and see what happens05:53
TiagoTiago_does anyone else somtimes have this issue where over and over again you try to click on an icon near the border of the scfeen and misses going back to the previous level?05:54
johnxTiagoTiago_, you're the only one who ever had that problem, ever :P05:54
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lolcatTiagoTiago_: I have no idea what you are talking about. Why did you higligth me earlier?05:57
TiagoTiago_what in the /opt/var folder makes it not compatible with being moved to MyDocs?05:57
TiagoTiago_dunno, sorry, i didn't even saw the autocomplete happening05:58
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johnxDocScrutinizer, yeah, contention with swap05:59
johnxwith swap off I get good transfer speeds, but I don't have enough free RAM to ssh in06:00
DocScrutinizer51DUH :-/06:00
DocScrutinizer51let's call it a fundamental bug06:00
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johnxsolution: lower swappiness06:01
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johnxtesting on swappiness on 106:01
johnxwhat should I run?06:01
johnxhow about ... Maps *laughs evilly*06:01
DocScrutinizer51a cp?06:01
johnxrunning an rsync with --progress and starting the nokia 'maps' app06:02
TiagoTiago_is there somewhere a list of what needs to be in/opt and what can go to MyDocs that is up to date with p1.2?06:02
johnxTiagoTiago_, no06:03
cehtehjohnx: compcache06:03
johnxyou should experiment and make one06:03
kerioset swappiness to 006:03
johnxor just lower swappiness ...06:03
johnxI set it to 106:03
cehtehand btw never ever set vfs_cache_pressure to 0 :)06:04
TiagoTiago_what about some guidelines to decide what can go and what must stay?06:04
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johnxTiagoTiago_, anything needed before MyDocs is mounted, anything that relies on permissions, anything that involves a symlink or hardlink <- things not to put in MyDocs06:04
* johnx spoke too soon06:05
TiagoTiago_any easy way to check for each of those conditions?06:05
johnxTiagoTiago_, nope. you could write yourself a script, to check for some06:05
cehtehtry and see :)06:05
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DocScrutinizer51johnx: ok, don't miss to mention'joerg_rw kicked the bug's ass so now it awake and roaring' when filing your ticket. gnite06:06
johnxDocScrutinizer, huh?06:06
DocScrutinizer51me out, have fun06:07
TiagoTiagoi don't know how to script (yet)06:07
johnxTiagoTiago, this is what I learned with:
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johnxsome of it is bash specific, but it generally applies to sh06:07
DocScrutinizer51advanced bash scribting? hehe, its a good one06:08
DocScrutinizer51though url looks strange06:11
SpeedEvilMore importantly.06:11
SpeedEvilMyDocs gets unmounted when you plug it into PC and select 'ass rage' mode.06:12
SpeedEvilThis means that the files go away randomly, whihc may upset some things.06:12
kerioSpeedEvil: LOLOLO06:12
SpeedEvilmass storage06:12
DocScrutinizerhome/jr/Desktop/downloads/abs-guide.pdf  mmm..k06:12
SpeedEvilI should look a tthe screen mode06:12
SpeedEvilscreen more06:12
kerioSpeedEvil: wait, you didn't mean to write "ass rage"?06:12
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kerioyou don't misspell something like "ass rage", come on06:13
SpeedEvilIts not misspelling.06:13
johnxactually, if you have important system-level stuff in MyDocs it would pretty much be correct to label it ass rage mode06:13
SpeedEvilMy keyboard occasionally misses letters.06:13
keriosure ;)06:13
TiagoTiagoi know how tha is06:13
keriokeyboards don't miss letters06:14
keriopeople who use keyboards miss letters06:14
SpeedEvilMine does.06:14
SpeedEvilI am unsure why it does it - it may be the $2 USB to PS2 adaprtor06:14
* johnx kinda wants to make a proper US English localization uses a few more slang words to make the younger generation feel comfortable using it. Mass Storage -> Ass Rage would be a good start06:14
kerionah, can't be that06:14
kerioit's "backwards compatible" and everything, isn't it06:15
* DocScrutinizer idly wonders how long a pkg from UK to D will take, esp when some old keys are inside :-P06:15
TiagoTiagosomtimes if you type too fast in the N900 that happens06:15
kerio(also, what keyboard are you using?)06:15
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TiagoTiagome? the physical06:21
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Dhraakellianso how is qmfmail?07:21
TiagoTiagowho's mother?07:22
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KaKaRoTohey, is the image for the n800 and the n810 the same ?07:27
KaKaRoToI got the kernel source for diablo, and there' sonly 'n800_defconfig', there is no 'n810_defconfig'07:27
luke-jrKaKaRoTo: … are you asking what I think you're asking?07:27
luke-jrthought you said n900 and n81007:27
KaKaRoTono, n800/n81007:27
luke-jrisn't it n8x0_defconfig?07:27
KaKaRoToit's +/- the same hardware, so maybe yes07:27
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KaKaRoTohumm... I just apt-get source the kernel-source-diablo.... the debian/rules file has : DEFCONFIG := nokia_2420_defconfig07:29
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luke-jrKaKaRoTo: just emerge diablo-sources :D07:31
KaKaRoToemerge? :p07:31
* luke-jr runs Gentoo on his N81007:33
MohammadAG51use kernel-headers for diablo07:33
MohammadAG51compile against that07:33
luke-jrMohammadAG51: he obviously wants to compile a kernel07:34
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scp1So I've installed the real xterm. How could I get the ctrl,esc,tab,pipe-on-screen-keyboard thingy there as well? It's kind of hard to do anything useful without it. Or should I juts remap some other keys with xbindkeys or whatever?08:05
gspringis there an easy way to make xchat easier on the eyes than its default config?08:05
scp1Yeah - edit the config08:05
TiagoTiagoi couldn't figure out how to gwt my owntext to not be hard to read :/08:06
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gspringi have edited my shit to no end its a color scheme problem!08:07
TiagoTiagoalso, xchat isn't completly hildonized, there some intwerface things that would be much easier to use if they shared the approaches sused in Hildon08:08
scp1just use irssi guys08:08
luke-jrI sure hope Nokia is going to do the only sane thing with Harmattan and abolish the whole concept of "hildonizing"08:09
luke-jrthere's no reason software should need to be ported to get the same interaction Maemo had08:09
gspringits not that bad now08:09
gspringis fmms worthwhile or should i just say fuckit to mms?08:10
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TiagoTiagoprograms made for deaktop mouse and keyboard with big screens do need some adaptations to work confortably in a device like the N90008:11
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TiagoTiagothough perhps it could be possible to have special versions of the all the windowing and interface toolkits thatwhen programs would call for the diffwerent interface elementds the equivalent that uses the approaches suited to the N900 would be used instead, transparently to the programs (kinda like interface elements in webpages loaded in microB08:15
luke-jrgspring: it doesn't work at all for me08:15
luke-jrTiagoTiago: no, they don't.08:15
TiagoTiagowhat doesn't what?08:17
luke-jrthey don't need adaptations08:18
delirusthere should be a repo of "hildonized", and a complete repo of everything as it is.08:19
delirusSlightly harder to use, but all there.08:19
TiagoTiagohaving to reach for a tiny scrollbar to scroll sucks, and even though it's tiny to click on it still consumes way too much valuable screen realstate08:20
luke-jrthere's no reason Qt couldn't throw a smooth finger-scroll interface on widgets instead of a scrollbar by default08:20
luke-jrthere's no rule saying the program can expect a scrollbar08:20
delirusJust something with a bit of code to autmatically convert interface elements on-the-fly08:20
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TiagoTiagothat would be great08:21
delirusNokia *owns* QT now.  Wouldn't be a problem for them.08:21
luke-jreven if they didn't, it wouldn't be08:22
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delirusbtw, hey luke-jr.   Still haven't gotten gentoo up and running.  Can't seem to get internet to work anymore in the gentoo chroot on the tablet.08:23
luke-jrdelirus: that'd be resolv.conf…08:23
luke-jrjust set nameserver to
delirus5 packages away from finishing the n900-env install (with all useflags enabled)  :\08:24
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delirusI copy resolv.conf before every chroot08:24
luke-jrwhy so slow? O.o08:24
delirusI just got bad wifi for some reason when I chroot08:24
delirusit works half the time at 1kbps, for about a minute08:24
delirusthen stops08:24
TiagoTiagocrap, another random reboot08:25
TiagoTiagois there a log file somewhere that might contain rhe reason for ther reboot?08:25
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deliruscould be the time of day I'm trying to work on it....08:33
delirusI have a feeling there's more wifi interference at some times than others08:33
luke-jrpick a less busy channel?08:33
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TiagoTiagodamn router keeps needing to be hard rebooted08:47
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sla_erickis there anyone available?08:50
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TiagoTiagohi, i'm here, but i dunno if i'll know how to help08:52
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MyNickIsNick hello could someone tell me which one is developed fast ? Maemo or android ?09:29
MyNickIsNicki mean faster of updating or releasing something new ....09:33
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SwedeMikeMyNickIsNick: that's subjective and impossible to answer.09:34
ieatlintif he means updates to the platform itself (and not applications), it's kind of an obvious answer09:35
SwedeMikeMyNickIsNick: why do you want to know?09:36
ieatlintmaemo being discontinued, and while the potential exists for another bugfix update to maemo 5 (which is widely believed to be unlikely), there will be no maemo 609:36
ieatlintbut maemo isn't being sued by oracle... :P09:36
MyNickIsNickid like to use one of them to be developed custom for my project ...09:37
MyNickIsNickokay. but which one is more "open" to be developed ?09:37
ieatlintuh, that's not a simple answer... both are "open source, kinda"09:37
ieatlintmore simply put: android uses java, and a custom gui toolkit09:38
ieatlintmaemo uses gtk or qt09:38
ieatlintif your intent is to quickly develop an application, go with what you know... if what you know is java, maemo is not a good choice09:39
MyNickIsNickfor beginner which one is more easy to be developed and have better sdk ?09:39
SwedeMikeandroid is probably better if you want a big user base quickly.09:39
SwedeMikemaemo/meego user base is very limited.09:39
ieatlintif you're just learning how to program, a phone may not be the best target platform09:40
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MyNickIsNicki have better programming experiences on assembly and c, c++09:42
MyNickIsNicki need to develop on small platform but will need data communication over wifi and broadband network extensively09:43
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cfreak200heya, anyone can tell me wich package is reponsible for the sip-configuration-dialog? i'm missing the use for phone calls option there (pr1.2 running here)09:47
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johnxcfreak200, is sip-configuration-dialog the name of the binary or your description of it?09:59
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sobczykhi, is there a tutorial how to stream data through BT?10:01
sobczykI want to sent accelerometer readings to my laptop through BT10:01
prontowith cookies and cake10:01
cfreak200johnx: my description i mean the dialog to configure sip10:01
cfreak200johnx: my main problem is that i cant receive sip calls (instat marked as missed) and cant call out with it..10:02
johnxcfreak200, I don't use SIP. Do you mean the VoIP and IM accounts dialog or something else?10:03
cfreak200voip and im10:03
cfreak200i was told (few days ago in here) there should be a paramter to activate it for phone calls but i'm missing it...10:04
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* johnx tries to find the package, n900 being finicky about letting me ssh in ...10:05
cfreak200i think its telepathy-sofiasip but theres only 1 version available and i'm using that so maybe its something else..10:06
johnxah, I don't think you'd have uninstalled it without realizing it10:06
cfreak200its insatlled ofc..10:08
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johnxyou could pull out gconftool and start digging through settings *shrugs*10:10
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cfreak200johnx: mhm ok, breakfast first and via ssh typing that much on the n900 is still a pain ;)10:15
cfreak200but thanks anyway10:15
johnxgood luck10:16
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kerioDocScrutinizer: did you figure out what was causing the massive slowdowns in I/O?10:20
johnxkerio, if he did , he didn't tell me10:21
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johnxI was looking into it as well, and managed to repro even with swappiness turned way down10:21
keriothat's not a good thing10:21
kerioluckily i don't have a µSD10:21
johnxthough actually I *can* tell you what was causing it: swapping was having contention issues with I/O to the emmc card10:22
kerioisn't swap on the internal flash?10:23
kerioi still don't get why we have 256mb instead of at least 51210:24
johnxkerio, because an OMAP3 package with 512MB wasn't available early enough in the design process10:25
johnxand swap is on the emmc10:25
luke-jrif a novice (OpenPandora) can pull off a RAM upgrade, Nokia should have no problem :P10:28
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johnxluke-jr, uhm, you missed something10:30
luke-jrjohnx: of course10:31
johnxNokia has ship dates :P10:31
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johnxanyone seen my other SD card lying around? (these things are too easy to lose)10:31
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cfreak200johnx: you got a hint for me where within gconf i should search a gconftool-2 -r /  | grep sip only shows me the  url-handler entries..10:45
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scp1Ok, I 'managed' to get ratpoison in my n900... by cheating :p10:52
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__ajust woke up to read about the n900 ps3 hack.. how awsome is that!?! :D10:54
scp1Use the n900 for playing PS3 games? :p10:55
__ahack the ps3 to play backups10:55
__ausing the n90010:55
scp1Ok, I'm probably to old since I didnt get that excited.10:56
Trewasheh, "backups"10:56
__aits cool because the ps3 security has been rock solid until now10:57
johnxscp1, it's kind of fun news because sony was worried that by letting people run linux on the PS3 they would expose the console to potential hacks10:57
scp1I thought it was cracked years ago :o10:57
__ascp1 no, the first mod chip just came out10:57
johnxand then they stopped allowing linux on the PS3 and within months it gets hacked10:57
johnxfantastic timing10:57
__aand the mod chip software has ben "ported" to the n90010:57
scp1johnx, Yeah. I actually was going to buy one, just for running linux on it. Then they stopped making that possible. :|10:58
johnxI hope that sends the right message to sony10:58
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scp1Now I see why you were excited :)10:58
__ai havent been able to play anything yet tho.. the backup manager is slooow11:00
johnxthe best part is that sony was worried that linux would be a factor in the PS3 hack, it was just that things went in the opposite direction from what they thought11:00
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__awhat is the exploit exactly? only read that the usb device must be able to act as usb slave..11:02
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jpinx-eeepcwhen I plug the n900 into the eeepc with usb, how do I get the main n900 filesystem to show? At the moment only the additional SD card shows up11:07
johnxdoes it say anything on the n900 screen?11:08
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johnxusually it's because there's a file open somewhere in the MyDocs folder11:08
jpinx-eeepcand, ultimately, how do I get ssh to work over the usb, so that I can "work" the N900 from the keyboard of the laptop11:09
jpinx-eeepcjohnx: do I have to close everything in thee n900 first?11:09
johnxwell, generally it should Do the Right Thing (tm), but if it's not working try closing stuff11:09
johnxalso, is there a reason ssh over wifi isn't working for you? why usb?11:10
jpinx-eeepcjohnx: ok - I closed everything and now get a filesystem including cities, DCIM,  Mac OS and autorun.inf11:12
johnxyup, that's as much access as you get11:12
jpinx-eeepcbut not the root filesystem of the n90011:13
jpinx-eeepcbugger :(11:13
jpinx-eeepcso I can actually do anything useful ?11:13
johnxcopy stuff onto the device?11:13
jpinx-eeepcI amtrying to make the n900 into something useful, but having a kbd that I can actually type on ;)11:14
johnxuhm, two machines (generally) can't have the same fs mounted at the same time unless both have it mounted read-only11:14
jpinx-eeepchence the need to ssh into the n900 - preferably over usb11:14
johnxdo you have wifi where you are?11:14
jpinx-eeepcwifi here is complicated11:14
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johnxI think getting sshd to listen on the USB will be more complicated :)11:15
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jpinx-eeepconly one device per username/pwd combo - it's  a webpage login wifi service11:15
johnxuhm...this is at home?11:16
jpinx-eeepcwhich works fine, but only with either the eeepc or the n900 -- not both11:16
johnxI mean, is this your wifi system? or a public one? or the one at work or university?11:16
jpinx-eeepcit's where I live at the moment, if you call that home;)11:16
jpinx-eeepcit's teh wifi in an apartment block11:17
* jpinx-eeepc is in Bangkok11:17
jacekowskipublic unencrypted wifi11:17
jpinx-eeepcjacekowski: yea - cool :)11:17
johnxjpinx-eeepc, aaaah, makes more sense now11:17
jpinx-eeepcwhich is why I want to do the ssh by usb cable ;)11:17
johnxI thought that *you* were the one who set the wifi up that way11:18
jpinx-eeepchell no :)11:18
johnxyeah, hence my confusion11:18
johnxuhm, so the first thing to do is get hooked up over usb and make sure you can ping back and forth11:18
jpinx-eeepcso I would like to get ssh over usb to work from the eeepc11:19
johnxthen you *may* need to find a way to make sshd restart when you bring up the usb interface on the N90011:19
jpinx-eeepcI'm all plugged in, but the N900 offers me PCSuite of Mass Storage only11:19
jpinx-eeepcas mass storage I can see the filesystems in the eeepc, so the connection is good for that11:20
johnxPC suite means "usb ethernet and some other stuff"11:21
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jpinx-eeepcjohnx: yea- I used to have nokia's PCSuite for an older phone11:21
jpinx-eeepcbut it was for windows11:21
johnxright, so select pc suite mode, ubuntu should see it as a network adapter11:22
jpinx-eeepcI have root in a shell on the n90011:22
psycho_oreosyou can also do file transfers over pcsuite via ssh but its not as stable.. you can also use host PC's internet or vice versa use n900 as wireless broadband11:22
jpinx-eeepcand obviously I have root in my DEBIAN eeepc ;)11:23
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johnxaaaah, not ubuntu11:23
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johnxin that case, pc suite on the n900, look at the ip addr on the n900, then ifconfig on the debian box and pick an addr in the same subnet11:23
johnxif it works, put it in network/interfaces and make sure it says auto-hotplug or whatever it is11:24
* johnx forgets11:24
jpinx-eeepcwhere's the IP address to be found in the n90011:24
johnx/sbin/ifconfig usb011:24
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jpinx-eeepcHmmm - usb0 has no IP address - just a MAC11:26
johnxand you definitely hit "PC Suite" when plugging it in?11:27
* jpinx-eeepc unplugs and retries11:27
delirusI can do ssh over usb with pc-suite11:27
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delirusBut I dunno how to get internet working over it11:27
jpinx-eeepcnope - same again - no IP11:28
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jpinx-eeepcand usb1 correctly says device not found11:28
jpinx-eeepcthanks psycho_oreos - I'll go and read more :)11:29
johnxhuh. why did it work for me without the ifup ... ?11:30
psycho_oreosfor mine I had to follow that exact guide to get it working but then again USB networking allows n900 to use host's connection11:31
delirusnot on mine11:31
jpinx-eeepcok - how do I get it top not use a capitol letter when I am typing a command in a terminal?11:33
jpinx-eeepcdamn predictive text thing11:34
psycho_oreosits in the settings11:34
psycho_oreossomething like text inputs11:34
jpinx-eeepcjohnx: ifup usb0 on mine gives command not found11:35
johnxas root11:35
jpinx-eeepcor is everything /sbin/ ?11:35
jpinx-eeepcyes - I am root11:35
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johnxerrr, that's weird then11:35
johnxusing rootsh or something else?11:36
jpinx-eeepctyping /sbin/ifup usb0 (while plugged in) gives me ifconfig not found and route not found :(11:36
ieatlintjpinx-eeepc: type "id"11:37
jpinx-eeepcusing rootsh and typing "root"!11:37
ieatlintand tell us what is says11:37
jpinx-eeepcuid=29999(user) gid=29999(users)11:38
ieatlintthen you're not root, and that's the problem :)11:38
jpinx-eeepcthere must be a timeout in rootsh?11:38
johnxthere isn't a timeout in rootsh11:38
jpinx-eeepcok ok ifup worked and I have an IP11:40
jpinx-eeepcssh from the eeepc to ???@  ?11:41
jpinx-eeepcwhat user?11:41
kerioeven a ping would work11:41
johnxjpinx-eeepc, did you setup the connection on your eeepc yet?11:41
jacekowskisudo gainroot11:41
keriojacekowski: "root" is a script that does that11:41
kerioand it is a *massive* security hole :<11:42
keriocan you set the password for the user user?11:42
ieatlintkerio: it's not that much of a security hole, as the user account has privs to do most anything anyway11:42
TermanaN900silly penguins. I set mine up so i can use sudo for commands11:42
ieatlintas user, i can do things like access all of the stored messages, query the IMSI, etc11:42
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keriobut... root11:43
keriowho cares about some stupid messages11:43
keriowe're talking about superuser11:43
jpinx-eeepcHmm - not sure how to activate the usb connection in debian11:43
johnxkerio, dude. user has permission to use app manger, which installs packages as root ...11:43
delirusjpinx-eeepc:  do you have networkmanager on the eeepc?11:44
johnxjpinx-eeepc, ifconfig -a on your debian box?11:44
jpinx-eeepcdelirus: nope11:44
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ieatlint"ifconfig usb0" as root will do it11:45
ieatlintif it says usb0 isn't found, then you've got some fun stuff ahead of you11:45
jpinx-eeepcfound usb0 and usbpn011:45
ieatlint(while the phone is plugged in, and "pc suite mode" is selected)11:45
jpinx-eeepccool -- looks like ifconfig with the IP address did it11:46
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jpinx-eeepcssh to root wants a password?11:47
ieatlintas a warning, "ifup usb0" on the n900 modifies your default route to point to -- so unless you're running some sort of nat or route on your computer (and i'll bet $20 you're not), your n900 is no longer online right now11:47
binceimport hildon is not working in my python,what should i do,i got the nokia n900 desktop working.11:47
kerioieatlint: huh?11:47
jpinx-eeepcwhat's the default password for roott?11:47
keriodidn't work like that for me :|11:47
ieatlintkerio: unless this has changed, it sets your default route to point to your desktop11:48
binceanyone knows how to get the import hildon workin in pythonm11:48
johnxjpinx-eeepc, no default password. change it with the passwd command as root11:48
johnxor ssh in as user like everyone else does11:48
mreggenMy n900 suddenly wont boot. It is stuck on the dots (but the dots doesnt freeze, they just keep blinking). I set the RD flag with flasher, and when booting it says "no initfs \o/". What is the best course of action from here? I had the newest PR release with kernel-power.11:49
jpinx-eeepcI have no passwords set on my n90011:49
keriomreggen: no initfs \o/11:49
kerioit's happy11:49
mreggenkerio: yup, how the hell can the initfs suddenly disappear?11:49
keriono idea11:49
keriowhat did you do?11:50
johnxmreggen, flash default kernel and initfs?11:50
mreggenI was think \o/ was more of a scream :P11:50
binceany one knows coding in python11:50
keriobince: sure, a lot of people do11:50
ieatlintbince: i'm still working on VB, but i can't seem to get it to run on my n900 :(11:50
johnxso first off, what do you mean by "not working"11:50
mreggenjohnx: so just reflash the standard 1.2 image and initfs should come back? no need to touch the eMMC?11:51
bincejohnx:import hildon is returning error,sayin that header is not found in python.11:52
johnxmreggen, I would recommend just the kernel and initfs first. it's worth a shot11:52
jpinx-eeepcjohnx: ssh connect to root at n900ip is refused11:52
binceso how can i get the hildon working inside python11:52
johnxbince, are you following a guide?11:52
johnxjpinx-eeepc, restart ssh on the n900 (like I mentioned earlier :) )11:52
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bincejohnx:nope,i used the gui installer for maemo sdk,and that i got its installed11:53
mreggenjohnx: is "and initfs" something more than flashing with flasher-3.5 -F <image> -f -R ?11:53
johnxmreggen, when you flash that way you flash the bootloader(s), kernel, initfs and rootfs11:54
mreggenok, thanks11:54
bincejohnx: then i used this website to start python coding for maemo11:54
jpinx-eeepcjohnx: not accoring to my lastlog;) how does one restart stuff in Maemo?11:54
johnxmreggen, so this is flashing *less*11:54
johnxjpinx-eeepc, as root: /etc/init.d/ssh restart (just like debian ... )11:54
crashanddieOh the sweet taste of Epic Fail: "To sweeten their first day at primary school German children are normally given a cardboard cone filled with sweets, but schoolchildren in Essen this year opened their cones to find pens which project erotic images."11:55
jpinx-eeepccool :)11:55
bincejohnx:do i need to install pymaemo11:55
mreggenhow do I flash just the kernel and initfs?11:55
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jacekowskijohnx: vb as in virtual basic?11:56
jacekowskivisual basic*11:56
jacekowskior virtual box?11:56
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johnxmreggen, -k instead of -F11:56
jacekowskiieatlint: ehh, that would be question for you11:57
johnxjacekowski, I think ieatlint said that. and yes I assume he was joking about visual basic :)11:57
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jacekowskiwell, vb is better than python11:57
johnxbince, are you trying to develop for maemo 4 ( N8x0 ) or maemo 5 ( N900 )11:57
johnxmreggen, but look at the help for flasher to make sure I'm not in error :)11:57
bincemaemo 5,but i only found this link for python ;(11:58
ieatlintalthough i'm not sure i could get virtualbox to run on the n900 either11:58
bincejohnx:maemo 5,but i only found this link for python :(11:58
johnxbince, google again. try: develop python n90011:59
johnxthere are plenty of guides (I found several that looked much more modern and helpful)11:59
bincejohnx:yeah i found an wiki site,now lookin at it :D11:59
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jpinx-eeepccan I stop the little vibrate the n900 does eveery time I touch teh screen?12:07
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johnxjpinx-eeepc, yes12:07
ToJa92[jpinx-eeepc]: Yes, its in screen settings12:07
johnxit's in display settings, IIRC12:07
luke-jrieatlint: there is 0 possibility of VirtualBox ever working on N900 :P12:08
ieatlinti dunno, oracle is such an awesome company, i wouldn't rule it out12:09
luke-jrOracle is anything but awesome…12:10
BCMMisn't VirtualBox an thing for running more than one x86 OS on x86 hardware?12:10
johnxieatlint, yeah. it's really cool the new direction they're taking opensolaris12:10
luke-jrBCMM: yes12:10
ieatlintnot just opensolaris12:10
ieatlintthey're really taking mysql and java in awesome new directions too12:11
luke-jrMySQL and Java are crap :P12:11
ieatlintand a large percentage of sun's staff12:11
ieatlintwell, at least 10% of them, anyway... :P12:11
BCMMso it's vaguely possible that something branded "virtualbox" could exist on the n900, but it wouldn't share much code with virtualbox as it is now12:11
BCMMbecause it does something entirely irrelevant to the n90012:11
TermanaN900ieatlint, im sorry sir - im going to have to ask you to leave the internet12:11
luke-jroh well, bed time for me12:11
luke-jrBCMM: well, VirtualBox is extremely based off qemu code, so in theory I guess they could just revert more…12:12
ieatlintTermanaN900: because trolling has no place on the internet?12:12
luke-jranyhow, night12:12
TermanaN900ieatlint, :P12:12
kerioqemu on n900!12:12
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johnxieatlint, nah, it's legitimate sarcasm that has no place12:12
jpinx-eeepcjohnx: I suppose it was too much to expctt ssh to be on the n900  :(12:13
kerioapt-get install openssh12:13
ShadowJKenable extras and openssh is in app manager12:14
ShadowJKextras or ""12:15
ieatlinti've got beer, so i can deal with my unappreciated sarcasm12:15
jpinx-eeepcyea yea - that'll be after I disconnect the eeepc - get the n900 to play niceely with the public wifi here, and hope that the connection speed will be enough to get ssh before Xmas ;)12:15
johnxjpinx-eeepc, it didn't work out?12:15
johnxI mean, it's definitely possible. keep trying12:16
SpeedEvilI offer a service to send you a copy of any program on extras, for only $15, on a SD in the post.12:16
ieatlintjpinx-eeepc: as a note, if you have wifi, you can just connect your phone and computer to the same wifi and ssh over it instead of doing all this usb networking12:16
jpinx-eeepcjohnx: I need to install openssh first12:16
SpeedEvilJust in case. :)12:16
jpinx-eeepcieatlint: no I can't :(12:16
ieatlintSpeedEvil: do i get to keep the sd?12:16
johnxieatlint, his wifi siwtuation is legitimately special12:16
SpeedEvilieatlint: Sure!12:16
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ieatlintare you going to post my address on craigslist with malicious intent12:17
SpeedEvil256M uSDs are quite inexpensive :)12:17
jpinx-eeepcjohnx: I'll be back (tm)12:17
johnxSpeedEvil, never saw one :)12:17
* SpeedEvil wonders why his laptop hung.12:18
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kerioi want a 256GiB µSD12:38
keriosomeone should really find a way to reprogram µSDs12:39
keriothen you could have an array of network-connected µSDs acting like a server12:39
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SpeedEvilThey do have a in principle reprogrammable quite capable micro in.12:42
SpeedEvilBut it can't be connected to a network12:42
kerioSpeedEvil: SDIO12:43
SpeedEvilSD != SDIO12:43
johnxkerio, what12:43
keriojohnx: all SDs have a tiny cpu12:51
johnxCF > SD12:52
SpeedEvilSo do nearly all microwaves.12:52
SpeedEvilThis does not mean you can reprogram them.12:52
kerios/\./ easily./12:52
kerioi'd really go for a microwave with a web interface12:53
keriowith that in mind, how's your project going?12:53
MohammadAG51OpenWRT on a microwave12:53
MohammadAG51ssh root@microwave defrost --start12:53
johnxMohammadAG51, easy. just keep boosting the power output :)12:53
MohammadAG51ssh user@microwave warm sandwhich12:54
MohammadAG51Permission Denied12:54
johnxgah. microwave warmed sandwich12:54
mreggenI have exactly this problem; . When ronaldo says "flash the eMMC and then do firmware"; he means the other way around right? You have to flash fiasco _before_ the eMMC?12:55
keriossh root@MohammadAG51 suck ~kerio/balls12:55
keriomreggen: you can do whatever order you want12:55
johnxmreggen, doesn't matter which one you flash first as long as you don't reboot in between12:55
MohammadAG51Account disabled12:55
keriobut you have to flash the fiasco image if you want to flash the eMMC12:55
johnxso leave out the -R the first time12:55
kerioand don't reboot12:55
kerioMohammadAG51: are you running ubuntu? :|12:55
mreggenOk, thanks. johnx: as you probably understand, flashing just initfs and kernel did not work :S12:56
SpeedEvilkerio: It's stalled. I have way too much other stuff going on. I do have the bits ready to get my microwave online.12:56
mreggenAs the guy in the thread says12:56
MohammadAG51kerio, Connection refused12:56
johnxmreggen, bummer. sorry to hear that12:56
johnxanyways, time to sleep12:57
johnx'night all12:57
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jpinx-eeepcjohnx: g'nite mate -12:57
jpinx-eeepcOoops - gone12:58
DocScrutinizerkerio: mooo, and no. But johnx sait my assumption it might be related to swap seems to be correct12:58
SpeedEvilswapoff -a12:58
SpeedEvilOn another matter.12:59
SpeedEvilDoes anyone happen to know12:59
SpeedEvilDon't you hate it when you forgret what you're saying midway through a sentance.12:59
SpeedEvilAh yes.12:59
SpeedEvilA camera app that can be triggered by the headset button13:00
crashanddieRoughly 60M people in the UK. 32M are retired, 17M in schools or education, 8M employed by the government, 1.2M in the military, 800k working for councils, 488k in hospitals and 512k in prison.13:01
crashanddieWhich basically means that the UK's economy is founded on the non-registered illegal aliens.13:02
kerioSpeedEvil: write your own!13:03
keriohack fcamera13:03
jpinx-eeepcsame as it used to be founded on the grossly underpaid irish labour who built most of UK motorway system?13:03
SpeedEvilkerio: yeah13:04
crashanddiejpinx-eeepc: well, you lot were flogging in by the boatload, we had to give you summing to do.13:04
jpinx-eeepcone presumes that crashanddie actually remembers this from first hand experience?13:05
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berkesI want to use my n900 as mobile modem for my ubuntu 10.04. Ubuntu's network manager picks up my phone just fine, but fails to connect to 3g over it. Anyone help me troubleshoot?13:16
kerioberkes: i suggest you use something like mobilehotspot13:16
kerio*way* easier to set up13:17
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kerioor install the Bluetooth DUN package13:17
keriowhat script are you using?13:17
kerioare you using *99# as the phone number?13:17
berkeskerio, using pc-suite over usb is supposed to be dead easy too,13:17
berkeskerio, yes, I am.13:18
berkesthis is the log that network-manager in ubuntu writes out:
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berkes lead me to It all /seems/ fine, but fails to connect.13:20
Venemo_N900Good afternoon guys13:20
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kerioberkes: is the connection closed, on the n900 side?13:20
berkeskerio, I tried both with an opened connection and a closed. Just found out that with an open connection, network-manager is a lot more verbose.13:21
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SpeedEvilberkes: and you have plugged it in by USB, and selected 'ps suite' mode?13:21
keriops suite, the new exciting way to list and stop running processes! coming next june on your n90013:22
berkesSpeedEvil, yup, I did. And I have Network manager  configured.13:23
SpeedEvilI have no idea about network manager.13:23
kerioberkes: and you're *sure* you entered the right data to connect?13:23
SpeedEvilI write pppd confs by hand.13:23
kerioapn, user/pass?13:23
SpeedEvilHence the 'state 3' are unhelpful.13:23
berkesSpeedEvil, yea, me neither :( I have asked in #ubuntu several times, but no luck there (too noisy room!)13:23
SpeedEvilI would try to get it to dump ppp logs13:24
berkeskerio, no, I am not sure. And frankly, I have no idea how to find out.13:24
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SpeedEvilSometimes my CSP decides i'ts not going to do that today.13:24
SpeedEvilFor no good reason13:24
berkesCSP ?13:24
kerioberkes: huh13:24
keriocheck network settings on the n900 and copy those on ubuntu13:24
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mreggenSo I have this exact problem: (no initfs). Did a firmware flash then an EMMC flash just fine. Still does not boot. Still says no initfs. Does anyone have any suggestions or is this brick going in to the nokia shop?13:25
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kerioyou probably fucked up something i guess13:25
kerioask nokia care13:25
keriothey care13:25
mreggenIn the flashing?13:26
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mreggenFlashing finished just fine as far as I could tell.13:26
mreggenOnly thing I did before this problem was to power it off before charging the battery at night13:26
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berkeshm "settings > network" only seems to list wifi settings. Where are the GPRS settings stored?13:28
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jpinx-eeepcberkes: it's called "INTERNET"13:29
BCMMi like the internet13:29
berkesjpinx-eeepc, sorry, that is what I meant. but NM, the setting is there, just that the amount of wifi-conn. was so large that i looked over the GPRs one. :$13:30
jacekowskidoes anybody else have problem with charging using nokia dedicated charger13:30
jacekowskiconnector seems little bit loose13:31
jacekowskiwith normal usb cable it works fine13:31
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jacekowskibut plug on charger is having some problems13:31
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BCMMjacekowski: not the case here, so i guess your charger is damaged13:31
jacekowskiwell connector looks ok13:32
jacekowskiand if i plug it in13:32
jpinx-eeepcjacekowski: I have some issues with the little adaptor from traditional charger to USB13:32
jacekowskiand push plug in forward direction it charges fine13:32
SpeedEvilwhy not just use the USB charger?13:32
jacekowskiso charger is working13:32
jacekowskiit's just a connector on usb charger13:33
BCMMcharging from a PC is slower isn't it?13:33
SpeedEvilBCMM: usually, yes13:33
jacekowskinormal usb cable from pc works fine13:33
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keriojacekowski: failing usb port is failing13:36
keriodid the same for me13:36
keriofirst the wallcharger doesn't work but everything else does13:36
keriothen nothing connects unless you twist the plug in a weird way13:36
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mreggenJesus. The N900 gave me the "No initfs" error. Would not boot (flashed everything). Put the simcard in my backup Nokia 1208 and it says "simcard rejected". Now the n900 boots without the simcard o_O. Isn't it funny that a $20 phone gives an exact error message?14:31
jpinx-eeepcmreggen: if it's any consolation I am using an ancient nokia 6310i to double check stuff for the n900 because some clown neglected to give good error information14:32
DocScrutinizerjacekowski: check your USB receptacle. All your descriptions sound rather scary and suspicious, receptacle might start to come loose14:33
jpinx-eeepcunfortunately the n900 sux in many ways - possibly too many to fix and make it useable14:33
mreggenjpinx-eeepc: yeah. I just flashed over everything, including EMMC with no backup :(. Im really curious how the sim suddenly broke without doing anything though14:33
jpinx-eeepcmreggen: can you get the operators service people to check the sim for details?14:34
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mreggenjpinx-eeepc: well, the sim is not online in any phone now as the 1208 wont accept it. How can they check it then? (and i cant call them now either as I am without any usable phone, lol)14:35
ElAngelois it possible to change the phone application?14:35
ElAngeloi would like to have a sliding button to pick up the phone14:35
jpinx-eeepcmreggen: I mean if you can physically take it to their service shop14:35
ElAngelonow i accidently shut it off way too much14:35
mreggenjpinx-eeepc: ah, its a low price norwegian online thing. no pysical locations. will just email them for replacement sim I guess.14:36
DocScrutinizereibeen suggested by me some time ago (sliding button). Alas it's virtually impossible to swap the dialer app14:36
DocScrutinizerElAngelo: ^^^14:36
jpinx-eeepcmreggen: :/14:36
ElAngeloand is there an applet for the desktop to set my im accounts offline or online?14:36
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ElAngeloso i don't have to go into that menu every time14:37
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MNZElAngelo, just click the status bar and click 'Availability'14:45
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lcuk~seen Venemo_n90014:55
infobotvenemo_n900 <> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 1h 6m 59s ago, saying: '~seen lcuk'.14:55
* lcuk chuckles14:55
lcukmorning MNZ14:57
MNZmorning mate14:57
lcukDocScrutinizer, it was said to be similar to add a button to the sharing dialog, but albanc managed it.15:00
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lcukDocScrutinizer, did you get to the bottom of the copying thing last night15:00
* lcuk ended up playing eye spy with jake. rather odd time but he couldnt sleep again 15:01
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pupniknice to play with kids15:02
pupnikreminds you of what play is15:03
lcukpupnik, always, but at 3am its not so good15:03
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DocScrutinizerlcuk: (adding/swapping button) I suggested it could probably be done easily by ld_preload'ing the related qt libs. But it's such a disgusting embarrassing hack, I'd really prefer to see Nokia open up source for a number of core apps, like dialer. All the rationale why they can't is really nonsense15:07
DocScrutinizerlcuk: (cp thing) seems turned out to be swap related, as sugested by me. Swap on same eMMC card brings everything to a grinding halt when writing huge amounts of data to eMMC15:09
* SpeedEvil wishes someone would fix swap.15:09
SpeedEvilI have a sort-of-written spec for a hack.15:09
SpeedEvilBasically a simple nbd server15:09
SpeedEvilthat is local and file-based.15:09
SpeedEviland implements a circular buffer sort-of, with garbage collection15:10
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DocScrutinizer(maybe s/qt libs/gtk libs, whatever,/ )15:11
DocScrutinizerheck, we even could patch the binary, but WTF?!15:11
jacekowskiadd swap prefetch15:12
jacekowskithat would fix the problem15:12
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DocScrutinizerdo it, prove it, show it15:12
SpeedEvilswap prefetch entirely does not fix the problem15:13
SpeedEvilIt doesn't help fragmentation at all15:13
kerioi think swap is a pretty cool guy. eh grinds systems to a halt during IO and doesn't afraid of anything15:14
zashoh lawl15:15
DocScrutinizeryeah, kswapd is a sucker15:15
DocScrutinizerbraindamaged, it seems15:15
secyritasthat was scary o.O15:16
secyritasN900 was connected to computer and seemingly charging but suddenly said charge battery and shut down15:17
pupniki saw that15:18
DocScrutinizerand the most funny thing is, even when a process runs at nice 20, still the IO caused by such process seems to massively interfere with kswapd. As well as kswapd IO kills whole system in itself, even when process owning the swapping pages is at nice 2015:18
kerionice 20 kswapd! :D15:19
DocScrutinizersecyritas: if it's been connected to some sorta hub, or any kind of non-standard USB port, it might easily end up with 'charging' @ 100mA rate, which basically means it's discharging dispite of external (weak) power15:20
kerio100mA should be enough for everyone15:20
kerio(is it enough with an idle system in offline mode?)15:20
DocScrutinizerthat was meant to be what now?15:20
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kerioDocScrutinizer: nothing, i'm just in meme-spewing mode because i'm tired15:21
DocScrutinizerkerio: seems even USB data hardware is eating some 50mA15:21
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keriohow can the n900 have all of these obvious flaws and then still end up being an incredibly awesome device?15:22
secyritasDocScrutinizer: i believe  you are right thought i dont have any hubs connected15:24
DocScrutinizerat least that's what you observe when plugging in non-standards conforming fastcharger (D+- missing) - device thinks that's a host ut there, as there's VBUS, and battery consumption *rises* by some 50..60mA, as no charging whatsoever is enabled, giving any ENUM or D+- short is missing15:24
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asj_DocScrutinizer: if kswapd is running it's irrelvant the 'nice' level of the original process15:26
DocScrutinizersecyritas: also can be caused by defect cable (no ENUM), or simply by host going suspend or the like (also no [more?] ENUM)15:26
DocScrutinizerasj_: that's my point15:26
DocScrutinizerasj_: sorry if I wasn't clear on that15:27
asj_DocScrutinizer: I havent checked, but I bet it grabs some big locks since it's messing with memory.  Ok, gotcha15:27
DocScrutinizerack for the big kernel lock15:27
SpeedEvilIt would be lovely if you could do per-user swap15:27
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SpeedEvilFor example - be able to say 'user x swaps on device foo'15:27
SpeedEvilSo if device foo goes away - only user x's processes fault15:27
DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: run for patetnt! nice idea :-D15:28
keriopoor user x15:28
asj_mm, having a mobile device that swaps is really indicative of a bigger problem though15:28
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keriowhy do his processes have to suffer15:28
SpeedEvilasj_: well - yes and no.15:28
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SpeedEvilasj_: in principle it would of course be better to rewrite it so that the apps used less memory. But...15:28
kerioasj_: swapping can be good, if the alternative is having less battery because RAM takes more pw15:28
DocScrutinizerthe bigger problem is the smaller RAM :-P15:28
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felipechas anyone succeeded in compiling sdl apps on maemo?15:29
kerioi mean, the IO of the swap probably balances that out15:29
asj_SpeedEvil: while I'm all for dumping idle pages out...but the write speeds are so slow.  But what are you going to do with you're running firefox :|15:29
keriofelipec: mame runs fine, and i think it's sdl15:29
lcukfelipec, sdl works happily?15:29
DocScrutinizer( why does that sound like diction of some exotic species in well known SF movies? )15:29
asj_and it's not like we're writing less memory hungry apps, ever.  (look at symbian for an example of doing-it-wrong)15:30
felipeclcuk: I'm compiling ffmpeg and I get: ld: warning:, needed by /usr/lib/, not found (try using -rpath or -rpath-link)15:30
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asj_kerio: mmm <shrug> we just need better bat tech, and less leaky mem ;) see, solved ;)15:31
lcukfelipec, sdl 1.2 and 1.3 are available15:31
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* DocScrutinizer is fetching the lart, er dart, to recalibrate developers' attitude regarding memory usage15:32
kerioasj_: yeah15:32
keriohow about a tiny fusion reactor15:32
felipeclcuk: yeah, with sdl 1.3 ffmpeg compiles fine, but it's not on extras15:32
asj_though people don't like batteries catching fire atm, imagin what'll happen when energy densities get to high when they blow it takes out your house and your neighbors...ah well, can't be helped I need phone ;)15:32
satmda fusion reactor for the n900? I'm all for it ;D15:32
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keriothink about it15:33
DocScrutinizerbut honestly, the cp stall problem of last night was a special species of sucking critter, as it happened on swap virtually unused (it was down to some 8%)15:33
kerioa hydrogen-fueled battery that runs for a millennium15:33
kerioand then, bme would still find a way to fuck things up15:33
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DocScrutinizerkerio: you'd need plutonium powered thermocells for that15:34
lcukfelipec, contact wilson perhaps and see whether he wants to push it15:35
lcukor start/continue a discussion about testing it thoroughly and getting it there15:35
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kerioDocScrutinizer: i don't want plutonium anywhere near the bme15:36
kerioi mean15:36
kerioi don't want bme anywhere near plutonium15:36
felipeclcuk: I'm not interested in that... I just want to run ffplay on my device without messing the system :)15:36
DocScrutinizerkerio: otheer way round it's more reasonable: you don't want bme next to any plutonium :-P15:36
lcukof course15:36
DocScrutinizeroh you already said that15:37
DocScrutinizerI start to feel temped to do my little fance of last weekend once again: swapon /dev/mmcblk1p3 && swapoff /dev/mmcblk0p3 && cp /dev/zero ~user/MyDocs/foobar15:39
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DocScrutinizermight show if it's interface/eMMC-controller related, or a general spinlock problem of kernel15:40
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DocScrutinizerand, btw, where's tstkeeps when he should listen15:41
DocScrutinizerstskeeps even15:41
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lcukhmm felipec have you installed 1.3 from -devel15:43
DocScrutinizeron a sidenote: the swapoff took some 3 min to complete, though there were just ~60MB swap used when I did that15:43
felipeclcuk: with 1.3 it works, with 1.2 it doesn't15:43
felipeclcuk: if I remove the --rpath-link options it works, so I'm thinking 1.2 is missing something from sdl-config15:44
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lcukpm your mail address, I will fire a quick mail off to the maintainer on your behalf but really this is his task  and there might be other blockers which we don't see15:45
* lcuk has his own blockers to unblock today15:46
berkesokaay! way to go, vodafone: tethering /was/ dead-easy, and worked all along. Just that i chose the "business"-plan, and should have chosen the "none-businessplan". My "bedrijfsabonnement"(Dutch for businessplan) is, after all a none-business plan at vodafone. OH! The logic! :)15:46
DocScrutinizerwasn't there complaints about SSU was borked for somebody, as apt reported checksum madness or something, for *sdl* lib?15:46
berkesbut thanks for the help, kerio, nonetheless. :)15:47
kerioberkes: nonetheless?15:47
kerioi told you to recheck!15:47
berkesyea, you helped me, earlier on. I found out that it was nothing sofware, or hardware related, but stupid vodafone naming issues :)15:48
kerio"stupid" and "vodafone" being the key points in that sentence15:48
berkeskerio, yea, me being stupid for not doublechecking their exact details. But seriously, who wouldve guessed that a "business account" falls under "none-business" ? :)15:49
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DocScrutinizernever underestimate the satanic ingenuity of carrier's marketing droids15:49
keriousually business vs non-business is really "voice+data account" vs "data only account"15:49
DocScrutinizerhehe, seems to me we got no such things like business plans anymore here in Germany. Just all kinds of airbags, easy weekends, free+nowhere and similar inventive crap with absolutely no real meaning15:51
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DocScrutinizerand always you got 80+ lines of 3pt fineprint, that still don't cover all the gory details15:52
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panthere_noireI have a nokia N900, the fstab is to restore the machine to start What can I do to prevent this?15:52
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panthere_noire(I speak only French is used for the google translation)15:52
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erokkiehmm, the bad translator turns "fstab is reset on startup" into "in most fstab file"15:53
DocScrutinizeroh, that's why it made little sense to me on first read15:53
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felipeclcuk: aha! SDL 1.2: "-L/usr/lib -lSDL", SDL 1.3: "-L/usr/lib -Wl,-rpath,/usr/lib -lSDL -lpthread"15:54
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lcukfelipec, :D ahh so you can build using sdl1.2 and not have a big problem!15:54
lcukpanthere_noire, :( if you have reboot loop.  try plug usb and turn on N900.  BACKUP if possible.15:54
DocScrutinizerpanthere_noire: the fstab is regenerated on every boot, somewhere in the init scripts15:54
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DocScrutinizerpanthere_noire: you don't usually want to mess with that, as it is dangerous15:55
DocScrutinizerpanthere_noire: do not rely on fstab edit. You need to implement any things you want to get done, in a more explicit way, by adding to the init scripts15:56
panthere_noireok I understood for the backup I am familiar with debian, I just want to test without the swap. an idea of the name of the script?15:57
DocScrutinizerpanthere_noire: e.g instead of `mount -a` you need to explicitly write `mount device where someoptions bla`15:57
DocScrutinizergrep swapon etc/init.d/*15:57
felipeclcuk: I can't find Wilson Tang's email15:58
panthere_noireswapon-off was not working because it uses15:58
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panthere_noireok search :p15:58
DocScrutinizerIroN900:~# grep swapon /etc/init.d/*15:59
DocScrutinizer/etc/init.d/rcS:      swapon $swap15:59
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lcukfelipec, i have PM it to you, its in the debian changelog16:00
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DocScrutinizerpanthere_noire: again, *be careful*! messing with initscripts easily gets you to a point of reflashing as last resort16:00
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panthere_noireI know I have flash. for the swap I do not think his real problem16:02
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DocScrutinizerpanthere_noire: swapoff /dev/mmcblk0p3 worked for me16:09
DocScrutinizerpanthere_noire: even after system had finished to boot up16:09
panthere_noirethe command is 0 gives free good thank you:))16:11
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kerioDocScrutinizer: and then what happens once you run out of the 256mb of ram?16:13
MohammadAGoh nice16:13
panthere_noirewell apparently its not working without the swap, too many open its application. vai me see if I can not adjust the level of the swap16:13
MohammadAGpyqt4 is broken16:13
kerioDocScrutinizer: hmm... cake comes out?16:14
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MohammadAGwho maintains python?16:14
keriohmm... GvR?16:14
keriooh, you mean the maemo package16:14
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MohammadAGpyQt on maemo16:14
MohammadAGI hate smartasses16:14
DocScrutinizerkerio: malloc() will fail, simple as that16:14
kerioDocScrutinizer: that's not very good :(16:15
DocScrutinizeror, probably, OOM will kick in, killing off processes16:15
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DocScrutinizerkerio: well, if you don't like that, just add a 2GB memory module16:18
kerioDocScrutinizer: would a USB addon be feasible?16:19
DocScrutinizersure, if you patch the kernels memory mapper16:19
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keriowhat about a usb mass device that's actually just ram?16:20
ZogGMohammadAG, hey16:20
ZogGso i'm trying to flash to no-r&D mode16:20
ZogGand i get kinda error16:20
keriohow laggy is usb?16:20
DocScrutinizerkerio: 4216:21
panthere_noireoption-p is not available for swapon16:21
panthere_noireor it is possible to do otherwise with "-p"?16:21
ZogGVersion of 'sw-release': <no version>16:21
ZogGThe device is now in production mode16:21
ZogGok does it says i flashed it succesfully?16:21
DocScrutinizerpanthere_noire: not with busybox swapon16:21
panthere_noireoh,I can do otherwise?16:22
DocScrutinizerthere *might* be swapon in some other package16:22
DocScrutinizerbut I doubt16:22
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DocScrutinizerprobably you need to build from scratch, err source, for maemo16:23
panthere_noireok and if I take one of the debian could walk?16:24
DocScrutinizerthough it's unclear if even kswapd (aka kernel) is supporting swap priorities, on maemo16:24
DocScrutinizerpanthere_noire: either works, fails, or segfaults :-)16:24
panthere_noireok :'( tanks for information16:25
DocScrutinizeryou are welcome16:25
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DocScrutinizerpanthere_noire: anyway, you know about `cat /proc/swaps` which at least is a replacement of another missing function in busybox swapon/off16:27
panthere_noireok :)16:28
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DocScrutinizerpanthere_noire: no idea if busybox swapon -a respects priorities set in fstab. As fstab is regenerated on every boot, I'd guess messing with fstab a little bit is not too dangerous. Just append a line for your swap, containing the correct prio filed (which I fail to grep the correct format in manpages ATM)16:34
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panthere_noireexactly how?16:37
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tank-mankerio, i think win7/vista does this, called flash boots or something16:40
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SpeedEvilfstab is autogenerated16:43
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DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: we are aware of this16:52
panthere_noireWhat has the service process (demon?) / usr/sbin/bme_RX-5116:52
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DocScrutinizerpanthere_noire: sorry?16:53
DocScrutinizerpanthere_noire: bme is the battery management entity16:53
SpeedEvilAre you asking what BME does?16:53
SpeedEvilActually - that's a poor page from that perspecitve - it doesn't really explain what it is.16:54
panthere_noiretanks :))16:54
SpeedEvilbut it's ok16:54
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nptso is the last release from nokia as far as you can go with an n800? I have been out of the internet tablet scene for a while...16:56
nptis there anything like the "hacker edition" for the 770?16:56
nptyeah I know about the n90016:56
SpeedEvilI'm not fully awake16:57
nptI meant is there anything FURTHER16:57
lcuknpt telescope16:57
nptthan the last official nokia16:57
nptplease do tell16:57
lcuka nice app which changes the way you look at your n800 :)16:57
nptsounds like I may be happy to hear this16:57
SpeedEvilI regret I know little of the n800 - having come to maemo with the n90016:57
lcukits just a small thing but made lots of people smile16:57
nptI started with n77016:58
nptsold that and got an n80016:58
nptLOVED IT16:58
nptused it a ton16:58
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nptbut have been sooo busy the last year or so16:59
SpeedEvilI've not regretted at all getting then900.16:59
nptso is there any unofficial stuff for it that loads a later O/S?16:59
nptI was told16:59
SpeedEvilMy one major niggle is thatthe cheap bastardss only put one stylus in the box.16:59
nptI just missed a 1/2 off sake on the n900 by ONE WEEK on nokiausa.com16:59
npt: (16:59
SpeedEvilI remember hearing someone mention something, but I wasn't paying attention.17:00
SpeedEvilnpt: well - ebay has them quite cheap17:00
tank-manlcuk, is that a joke?17:00
npthow cheap17:00
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lcuktank-man, no - everyone I have seen and spoken to about it has raved17:00
SpeedEvilwell - cheaper than new.17:00
lcukso why would it be a joke17:00
SpeedEvilThat is 230 quid or so in the UK.17:00
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lcukits a nice app, well written17:01
lcukand shows that you don't need fancy pants powervr 3d ness to actually do the dashboard effect17:01
tank-maninteresting but i like to keep it simple17:02
DocScrutinizernpt: (used a ton) ;-)17:02
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lcukMy three year old daughter tried passing the phone to my four year old daugher but dropped it instead. My four year old started crying, picked up the phone and said into it “Daddy! Are you OK?” IMMD.17:05
sevardlcuk: idk if i said this yesterday but <3 telescope.   h17:05
sevardlcuk: how the hell did you find it17:05
lcuksevard, its been built up in the tmo forums, and yes :) I saw you yesterday after I had gone17:06
DocScrutinizernpt: I don't think there's a new OS version for N8x0, but recently there actually have been some app updates via SSU, and also I heard something about some community maintained repo17:06
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sevardlcuk: tmobile?17:06
lcuktheres a couple of threads17:07
lcukits quite a team effort, telescope is written in x11 directly17:07
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sevardlcuk: tyvm.17:09
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lcukhmm perhaps that would be a good tagline for tmo17:13
lcuk" - not just for whinging"17:13
SpeedEvilAn opened task switcher would be nice.17:13
lcukhuh opened?17:13
lcukthat is an open task switcher17:13
SpeedEvillcuk - n90017:13
lcukhuh opened?17:13
lcukhildon has it all17:13
lcukor am I missing something?17:14
SpeedEvilOh - that's one of the open bits?17:14
lcukall the desktop itself is open17:14
* SpeedEvil still gets confused.17:14
* SpeedEvil sighs.17:14
lcukapps running on it might not be17:14
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lcukbut the desktop environment itself is totally hackable17:14
SpeedEvilI want the task switcher to show the full normal titlebar17:15
lcukSpeedEvil, then have a look and see whats what?17:15
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lcukthe simpler titlebar is obviously there for a reason17:15
lcukbasically because you wouldnt be able to read it otherwise17:15
SpeedEvillcuk: regrettably, I have at teh moment little energy for hacking.17:16
SpeedEvilumm - no17:16
SpeedEvilI mean a full titlebar on the top of the taskswitcher window17:16
lcukit also would change17:16
lcukohh you mean showing the clock etc17:16
lcukSpeedEvil, theres been suggestions about other things also17:17
SpeedEvilwell - app-swich icon - then clock/bat/systray - then a few buttons to start apps/bookmarks17:17
lcuklike close all windows for instance17:17
MohammadAGachipa, ping17:17
SpeedEvilyeah - that sort of stuff17:17
lcukunderstood now17:17
SpeedEvilSo 2g/3g switcher or stuff can live there17:17
lcuktheres certainly scope to discuss it and to see if someone will get behind you and try to prototype it17:17
SpeedEviland with camkeyd - be accessed in 2 clicks17:17
* SpeedEvil looks behind him, in a pantomime-esque manner.17:18
lcuki have my own ideas what should be in the task switcher17:18
SpeedEvilDoes it include a background of animated cooking bacon?17:18
lcuknahh, simpler17:18
lcukbut theres interactions the task switcher and app launcher menu should do17:19
lcuklike showing live tasks at the head of the app launcher menu17:19
lcukand showing desktops in the task switcher17:19
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lcukmerging app launcher and dashboard effectively17:19
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MohammadAGalterego, gas balls seems to be the same as live-wp17:20
MohammadAGbut the wallpaper sticks instead of moving17:20
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lcukMohammadAG, livewp 0.917:21
MohammadAGliqflow in live-wp detects mouse events in the same way17:21
lcukhas a single wallpaper spanning all17:21
lcukand retains its position17:21
SpeedEvilOn an unrelated manner.17:22
SpeedEvilCan I stop FMradio switching orientation17:22
MohammadAGso it's no different from gas balls17:22
jacekowskiSpeedEvil: it's just python iirc17:23
jacekowskiSpeedEvil: so it's probably matter of commenting out one line17:23
lcukMohammadAG, gas balls is a great standalone implementation and I think it will become configurable using the livewp settings dialog soon too (if it works in the same way)17:23
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lcukthose that haven't seen, gas balls is an amazing opengl live wallpaper that is available on ovi store17:24
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sevardlcuk: n900? ;)17:25
lcukyes sevard17:26
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lcukbut since you have gone, there is now some sort of prototype drivers for powervr on the n8x017:26
lcukand people have been hacking at them17:26
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sevardany progress?17:34
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* Noobmonk3y blinks17:40
MohammadAGFFS FINALLY17:40
* lcuk dashes to the pantry17:40
MohammadAGfirst of all17:40
* lcuk finds its empty17:41
* MohammadAG checks logs17:41
* lcuk gets a trout out of the freezer17:41
sevardwhoa whoa whoa17:41
* lcuk WHAPS Noobmonk3y round the head17:41
* Noobmonk3y wooooooots17:41
lcukhey dude17:41
Noobmonk3yhavnt had a good trout slapping in a while!17:41
* MohammadAG kicks Noobmonk3y in the face17:41
lcuksorry it was a frozen one17:41
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lcukthe blackeye will heal eventually17:41
Noobmonk3ynot sure which i prefer, the frozen trout or the kick17:42
Noobmonk3ytough choice!17:42
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* lcuk kicks you with a frozen trout17:42
* MohammadAG kicks Noobmonk3y again17:42
Noobmonk3yhow is the land of #maemo?!17:42
* MohammadAG kicks Noobmonk3y again, LIKE IT17:42
Noobmonk3yalot better! alothough u need to get your leg looked at lcuk!17:42
MohammadAGwith a bit of moisture :P17:42
Noobmonk3ylol mo17:43
MohammadAGor snowing at 30C17:43
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lcukNoobmonk3y, nahh the leg is fine17:43
lcukmy ear is a bit busted tho17:43
Noobmonk3ybusted ear?17:43
lcukburst ear drum17:43
Noobmonk3yi still havnt got round to reconfiguring my lappy to get healthcheck going again!17:45
lcukthen its not healthy17:45
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MohammadAGapt-get source healthcheck17:45
MohammadAGand you're done17:45
Noobmonk3yhehehe on my n900 at the mo!17:45
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pupnik  a box of N8s17:49
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psycho_oreosa box of rubbish17:50
Noobmonk3ytrying to recommend a phone for my gfs dad, really no replacements for the old nokia communicators yet....17:50
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psycho_oreosn900 is somewhat on par with old communicator for some parts, otherwise there's n9 which seems to be alot better judging by the leaked pics17:52
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Noobmonk3yyeah, the n9 i assume is a little less geeky then the n900? might suit him a bit more17:53
Noobmonk3yhe uses it as an office phone really, but wants skype etc, bit scared to recommend the N90017:54
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psycho_oreosthe only thing is that n9 hasn't been released so one shouldn't put too much eggs on the basket or expect that basket to rip open and drop all the eggs out17:54
Noobmonk3ywell, there iisnt anything else, so waiting is good! hehehe17:55
TiagoTiagoi had managed to not have space issues but then i had to reflash and now i don't remember what i did and i don't have enough free space in /home anymore :(17:55
psycho_oreosI think there has been many updates since the old 9xxx communicators, many variants.. then there's that n97 which looks a little similar to communicator minus the ugly face17:55
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psycho_oreoswaiting is probably good just don't wait and expect too much or you'll be in for a surprise17:56
Noobmonk3ybut just not great!17:56
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Noobmonk3ythe c6 is also ok, but need something with more beef17:56
TiagoTiagoany suggestions?17:56
psycho_oreosI don't think any of the nokia's products has been great, they almost always have their own set of issues17:56
Noobmonk3ywell, my n900 is up for renewal next april! hope there is something gd out!!17:57
DocScrutinizerpupnik: this box of N8 looks like somene collected rubbish in there17:57
pupniki can't decide my favorite color.  maybe the cyan/blue17:58
psycho_oreosapparently there's iphail in there as well17:58
DocScrutinizerooh, psycho_oreos had similar idea :-D17:59
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psycho_oreosmy n900 hasn't been too bad but I haven't served the 6 month `grace novelty period'17:59
Noobmonk3ylol! mine will be a year old in november, and is still doing me proud17:59
psycho_oreosDocScrutinizer, meh, n8, the last of the shitian OS to bear nokia's n series.. and it'll be rid of18:00
lcukgood to see people are as enthusiastic as ever18:00
pupniki prefer having the full computer experience of n900, but n8 is a nice device with a great camera and screen18:01
Noobmonk3yi need a keypad, touch only doesn't work for me.18:01
lcukNoobmonk3y, the X3-2 is actually awesome for that18:02
lcuktouch and type :)18:02
lcuksimple logical phone18:02
lcukwith best of both18:02
pupnikhow about taking the key pitch of the e71 and putting a full keyboard on the n90018:02
DocScrutinizerTiagoTiago: I seem to remember you did a `du | sort -n | less` and then moved and symlinked stuff18:02
DocScrutinizerTiagoTiago: you couldn't get rid of some greedy apps or games18:03
Noobmonk3ylcuk, can it do all the office, skype, stuff etc?18:03
lcukNoobmonk3y, its a phone not a computer18:03
Noobmonk3ymy e71 is crap and i hate it18:03
Noobmonk3yi only use it as a phone and it just cant do that right..... tis pooo....18:04
MNZTiagoTiago, btw I forgot to mention yesterday before I went to sleep, you are going to have to reinstall the rest of the python libs. Basically, your python installation is still b0rked18:04
psycho_oreosmy n95-1 is crap but for now I won't have to put up with its own epic woes, the last I'll ever see shitian giving me headaches18:04
MNZTiagoTiago, and really the only sane answer, IMHO, for your problem is to repartition and reflash18:05
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SpeedEvilHas there been any substantiated rumors of meego on n8/n9?18:06
psycho_oreosn8 is going to be shitian only lol18:07
DocScrutinizersed -i -e 's/2048/4096/' path/to/*VANILLA*.bin18:07
psycho_oreosthink its pretty much released, n818:07
Noobmonk3yspeed, wouldnt have thought so18:07
DocScrutinizerflash patched vanilla, profit18:07
Noobmonk3ybut i'm sure somone will do it18:07
Noobmonk3ybut i am well out of the loop18:08
psycho_oreosmeego on n8 would be epic, couldn't imagine how well it would run anyway18:08
* lcuk uses Noobmonk3y as a fanbelt to put him back in the loop18:08
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TiagoTiagois there a tutorial somewhere on repartioning for complete newbies?18:08
SwedeMikemy impression has been that N8 is symbian and N9 is meego, but...18:08
lcukTiagoTiago, no18:09
MNZTiagoTiago, what DocScrutinizer said was @ you18:09
lcukcomplete newbies dont even know what repartitioning is18:09
GAN900SwedeMike, yes.18:09
Noobmonk3yTiagoTiago, try ripping lcuks brain apart, might be something uselful in there18:09
lcukthats like spotwelding your car to make it 4wd18:09
psycho_oreosn8 is still symbian, I dunno who's been saying n8 is meego, alas n8 lacks keyboard features plus who knows if the phonet and what not will still remain proprietary or not under meego18:09
lcukNoobmonk3y, i umm need my brain in one pieces atm :$18:10
TiagoTiagowhat is patched vanilla?18:10
MNZTiagoTiago, of course, you don't really have sed..... :/18:10
Noobmonk3yTiagoTiago, icecream with a plaster18:10
lcukits neopolitan icecream18:10
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psycho_oreosthat's disgusting, and poisonous18:10
TiagoTiagoam i too sleepy right now or are you guys fucking with me?18:10
psycho_oreosvanilla means stock18:11
MNZTiagoTiago, well, the VANILLA image, after you run that 'sed -i ...' command would now be considered 'patched' vanilla18:11
SpeedEvilswipe could be in principle interesting for keyb18:11
SpeedEvilI forget the silly name18:11
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psycho_oreosvanilla kernel means plain kernel.. aka provides vanilla kernel because they have not been molested to run for any specific distribution18:11
TiagoTiagoi think i missed that part, what is the sed thing?18:11
MNZTiagoTiago, like I said, you don't have it... it's a nice little utility on linux18:12
lcukTiagoTiago, based on prior experience with your hacking attempts, i suggest you go and quietly readup perhaps18:12
lcukbefore attempting such a thing18:12
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lcukits not for the faint hearted18:12
lcukand its not simple18:12
SwedeMikesed is a very classic unix utility, history back to 70ties or 80ties.18:13
TiagoTiagoi think i'll come back here about this topic some other time, i' having severe signals i should be sleeping right now :(18:13
MNZTiagoTiago, also, that VANILLA image is actually the eMMC image. In other words, repartitioning requires complete reflashing of everything18:13
psycho_oreosvanilla image used by nokia just means factory defaults :p18:14
TiagoTiagosorry, i don't think i' in conditions to keep up with you guys right now, need sleep ASAP, sorry, cya18:15
MNZTiagoTiago, night18:15
lcukNoobmonk3y, :) i did some merging last night and have patched up a potential update for libliqbase :)18:15
DocScrutinizerTiagoTiago: bookmark that link, we won't resend it for you18:15
Noobmonk3yoooo yay!!!!18:15
Noobmonk3yis qtmultimedia working on the n900 yet? if so i might come out or pyretirement18:16
MNZSwedeMike, of course you don't say 'unix utility' to a noob because that's just asking for more questions :D18:16
lcukhm unsure of status18:16
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Noobmonk3ykinda stopped hc until it works, as it had some great tools!18:17
TiagoTiagobookmarked, cya18:17
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lcukNoobmonk3y, people have been using it for diagnostics for a while18:20
lcukits a great tool18:20
lcuksomeone had broken their lcd18:20
lcukand used it to confirm the touch was still working i believe (using tvout)18:20
Noobmonk3yhehe, yeah had a few emails, and saw the threads, good to see it does the basics well :)18:21
Noobmonk3yv2 needs alot of improvements though :)18:21
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Noobmonk3yworking on a website at the mo too :) gonna take me a few months :)18:23
Noobmonk3yand designing livecycle forms at work, so my head feels very geeked out at the mo!18:24
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lcukhow is your photog life going?18:24
Noobmonk3ydoing alot of macro and studio stuff at the mo, but off to greece in 2 weeks! cant wait, both taking our cameras18:25
lcukits always good to have multiple perspectives on an event18:25
Noobmonk3ywork have a photo comp open, "fighting stigma" in mental health, so doing a mini world hdr photo :)18:25
lcukdo you have a mini boxing ring set up ?18:26
Noobmonk3yso far its made out of 12 shots stiched and twisted with people holding hands round a mini world, looks cool!18:26
Noobmonk3yhave you seem mini world/planets?18:26
Noobmonk3ydo a quick google image search, should make sense lol!18:27
lcuki am on vnc it wouldnt help, everything goes slow18:27
Noobmonk3ylol will send u a link18:28
Noobmonk3ysomething like that18:29
Noobmonk3ybut in hdr18:29
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lcukohhh Noobmonk3y i have seen things like that before18:30
lcukuber cool stuff18:30
lcuk(even tho its in 256color for me lol)18:30
Noobmonk3yhahaha well u get the jist of what i am doing lol18:31
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lcukNoobmonk3y, do how do you take the panorama required18:33
lcukhave you got an uber fisheye lens?18:33
lcukor do you just walk in a circle, the stitch18:34
lcukthen *18:34
Noobmonk3yhaha no i use a normal lens and stitch 3-5 shots together, but it can be done with 1 normal photo too18:34
* lcuk notices you said stitch18:34
Noobmonk3ydoes need to be a full circle...18:34
Noobmonk3yphotoshop helps :)18:35
lcukmaemoers, am i right in thinking fcam does stitching for panaramas18:35
lcukor am i misremembering18:35
Noobmonk3ybut with the hdr each photo is made up of 5 other photos so, 25 in total!18:35
Noobmonk3ylcuk! the n900 does great pano shots :)18:35
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MohammadAGsince when is the world round? :p18:37
lcukMohammadAG, you have to understand18:38
lcukthese images are impressionist18:38
Noobmonk3yits not, i fake it to make people beleive, obviously18:38
|R6000 years? :P18:38
lcukand are designed to make you try and imagine a non flat world18:38
lcukobvious balony, but some insane folks think like that18:38
Noobmonk3ywould be cool if the world was a triangle18:38
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MohammadAGNoobmonk3y, hopefully in the next version18:39
DocScrutinizeryikes, that world makes me dizzy18:39
Noobmonk3yhahaha world v2, hackedc or unhacked?!18:39
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lcuki saw a video recently of someone underwater bubble fort, and for the first time in ages i got motion sickness watching it18:40
lcukthey dived down and went upside down and stuff to enter18:40
* lcuk finds it to help make you lot feel just as odd18:40
lcukinfact, MohammadAG you could :P18:40
lcukyoutube bubble fort or something18:40
lcukits in a lake18:41
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Noobmonk3yright back laters, gotta head home n cook a roast18:42
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* DocScrutinizer wonders what a cooked roast might taste like... probably crunchy18:43
DocScrutinizermixed roast, rust, and grill18:44
DocScrutinizerfalse friends18:45
* lcuk wonders what DocScrutinizer is drinking18:45
* lcuk orders one18:45
DocScrutinizercoffee, what else?18:45
lcukreasonable enough18:45
DocScrutinizerrost(ger) == rust, grill(en)18:46
DocScrutinizernow all this gave me appetite for a roast es well :-D18:47
DocScrutinizeror, for lcuk: BACON!!18:48
lcukseems reasonable enough18:50
* lcuk munches on roast bacon18:50
DocScrutinizerlcuk: you noticed my dbus-scripting madness I encountered on N900 (800 processes bringing device to a mad state)?18:51
lcukno i have been juggling a new libliqbase update mostly today18:51
DocScrutinizerlcuk: I wonder how to tackle that18:51
DocScrutinizerumm, was like 2 days ago18:52
lcuki mightv noticed it then, but have slepts since18:52
lcukisnt 800 processes overkill?18:53
DocScrutinizerit actually was18:53
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DocScrutinizerpkg dbus-scripting, set up to kick off a silly simple script when button event flies by, grew up to a monster with >800 identical dbus-script processes, largely rendering the device unusable. even ssh in failed, as no more free slot in process table :-/18:55
DocScrutinizerbasically a forkbomb18:56
DocScrutinizera decent sysop learns how to deal with such threats before he may touch any productive engine. But on N900 me is a bit of lost on how to deal with it18:57
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DocScrutinizerI somehow managed to kill it down with concurrent multiple killalls and init.d/dbus-scripting stop calls18:58
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DocScrutinizeras luckily I had an open xterm18:58
DocScrutinizer(never thought I'd ever say that, but thanks to busybox (yuk) the killall call didn't spawn a new process18:59
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lcukhmm DocScrutinizer not sure its a problem19:00
DocScrutinizererrr, no?19:01
lcuki could get a gun and shoot myself in the foot and no technological matters can stop me19:01
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keriolcuk: autoaiming gun19:01
DocScrutinizerlcuk: sorry?19:01
lcukkerio, ricochet19:01
kerioautoaiming walls19:01
lcukDocScrutinizer, what i mean is, is this not a problem with your script?19:01
lcuksince it doesnt do it by default19:02
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DocScrutinizerwell, the script worked for quite some weeks19:02
DocScrutinizeralso the script is friggin simple, and should terminate no matter what19:02
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DocScrutinizerplus it should get called only on rather rare events on dbus19:03
lcukDocScrutinizer, if its a system memory leak and you have a script which reproduces it then great, follow up on it and stuff?19:03
DocScrutinizernamely button-press events19:03
lcuknb: great in this context means theres a simple way for devs to reproduce and extinguish19:04
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DocScrutinizerit's some madness in dbus-scripting package/daemon, or in dbus itself19:04
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BluesLeeis anybody out there who does live streaming to the n900?19:06
DocScrutinizerIroN900:~# cat /etc/dbus-scripts.d/playswoosh19:06
DocScrutinizerslide=$(cat sys/devices/platform/gpio-switch/slide/state)19:07
DocScrutinizerif [ X$slide == X$(cat $stored) ]; then exit 0; fi;19:07
DocScrutinizerif [ $slide == open ]; then /usr/bin/play-sound /usr/share/sounds/ui-charging_started.wav; fi;19:07
BluesLeei can use mediatomb on my linuxbox to access the media data within n900s mediaplayer, no problem19:07
BluesLeebut i want redirect an arbitrary "live stream" to the n90019:08
BluesLeeany ideas?19:08
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DocScrutinizerecho -n $slide >$stored19:09
lcukBluesLee, theres a session i connect to quite regularly19:09
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secyritasBluesLee: i streamed live tv to my n900 few weeks ago19:09
secyritasworked very nice (:19:09
lcukDocScrutinizer, file a bug, is that the testcase you reproduced it on?19:09
kerioif we had host mode working we could use all sorts of tv tuners19:10
BluesLeesecyritas: honstely, i want to stream live tv from the internet to my tv, which tools you used?19:10
DocScrutinizeryup, that's the script that's called. Then of course here's a config file for dbus-scripting19:10
secyritasBluesLee: that was nearly a test, i used a VLC19:10
DocScrutinizer/etc/dbus-scripts.d/playswoosh * * org.freedesktop.Hal.Device Condition ButtonPressed cover19:11
BluesLeelcuk: thats fine, how do you configure it?19:11
BluesLeesecyritas: thats fine, how do you configure it?19:11
lcukBluesLee, IDK i just visited the website19:11
lcukits a flash plugin :$19:11
lcukand worked with the stream i needed19:11
lcukso never looked deeper19:11
secyritasBluesLee: omm.. cant remember and machine that has that config is over 500 kilometers away :-(19:11
BluesLeelcuk: okay, you go the direct way19:11
DocScrutinizerlcuk: can't see how that would create 800+ processes in no time19:11
lcukDocScrutinizer, me neither, so report it officially19:12
kerioDocScrutinizer: if shit started creating events19:12
lcuki am going anyway i have spent too much time faffing this afternoon19:12
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secyritasi remember that 384kbit data plan was not suffient to receive stream and n900 rejected some codecs so i put that idea behind..19:12
kerioMNZ: how's that audio routing of yours going?19:13
MNZkerio, discovered that we can't get much from it really. Only thing that would benefit from skipping the cpu would be FM Receiver -> Output19:14
jpinxN900what's the difference between easy-debian and debian-chroot ?19:14
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kerioMNZ: what about dsp->a2dp?19:15
MNZkerio, of course I'm still working on the hardware eq + replacing pulseaudio's speaker protection19:15
MNZkerio, I haven't checked that, let me see19:15
kerioi mean, i have a pair of bluetooth headphones with their own volume control19:16
kerioso i wouldn't need anything but decoding (from mp3/aac), encoding (to a2dp) and transmitting19:17
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MNZkerio, ok there's nothing to override there. Decoding mp3/aac happens on the CPU and it just sends it to the codec19:19
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keriodecoding mp3/aac is hw-accelerated, isn't it19:20
keriothe only thing i see using my cpu is fucking pulseaudio19:20
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MNZkerio, uh no you got the thing a bit wrong19:20
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MNZPulseAudio is actually passing on stuff to the gst libraries, which decode mp3/ogg/whatever19:21
MNZhold on19:21
MNZI mean the gst libraries, called from whatever prog, pass on stuff to PA19:21
MNZso that's mafw (gst fits here somehow, I'm not familiar with mafw) -> pulseaudio -> alsa19:21
MNZwhat happens in pulseaudio and why it uses 15% cpu is still a mystery19:22
MNZmostly because all the relevant modules are closed source19:22
keriostupid pulseaudio :(19:22
MNZof course on speaker output it uses about 30%19:22
kerioi'm using bluetooth audio, mind you19:22
MNZ15% of those are filtering, which is the only part we really actually think we know it does19:22
kerioso there's an additional encoding19:23
MNZwell the audio codec actually just handles DAC/ADC and deals with PCM exclusively. It doesn't decode/encode audio formats19:23
keriono, wait19:24
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keriothen mediaplayer/gst/whatever should be using cpu19:24
kerionot pulseaudio19:24
MNZit does19:24
MNZon top of PA usage19:24
MNZyou have mafw-gst-renderer usage19:24
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kerioPA uses more cpu than mafw-gst-renderer19:24
MNZI know19:24
MNZand I can't figure out why19:25
kerioNokia: wtf man19:25
MNZso basically mafw-gst-renderer is decoding mp3 and using less cpu than pulseaudio, which for the most part just has to move memory from one place to another (ie. route audio)19:25
MNZI think that's why they are not open sourcing the modules19:26
MNZthey are embarrassed19:26
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keriowhat happens if you remove the modules?19:27
MNZnothing works19:27
keriopulseaudio on... say, ubuntu, works without nokia modules19:28
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MNZyeah, but on n900, it doesn't. The stuff that handles calls expect these mods to be there19:28
SpeedEvilThere are custom modules to talk to teh phone bit19:28
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SpeedEvilNokia is required to have the pulseaudio source of those modules supplied19:28
SpeedEvilGPL requirements.19:29
MNZSpeedEvil, I checked19:29
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DocScrutinizerMNZ: PA does highpass filtering, possibly resampling with interpolation and antialiasing, and probably also some dynamic compression19:29
MNZPA devs are so stupid they even got their license wrong19:29
DocScrutinizeron some 48k 16bit samples * 2 chan stereo, per second19:29
MNZDocScrutinizer, do you mean for speaker out? what about headphones?19:30
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DocScrutinizerfor headphones the dynamic and hp processing may be moot19:30
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kerioDocScrutinizer: i'm using a2dp!19:30
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DocScrutinizerstill there's resampling, possibly useless mixing and attenuating, aso19:30
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MNZDocScrutinizer, but IIRC gst handles resampling.....19:31
keriopulseaudio has to move bits around19:31
keriothat's something you can do in 20 bytes of asm19:31
MNZand seriously, attenuation wouldn't use that much CPU19:31
kerio(exaggerating, but you see my point)19:31
DocScrutinizerkerio: mixing two sources alone is a friggin lot more than just moving around bits19:32
keriowhat mix :|19:32
keriowith only one source, and using bt a2dp headphones (that means no d2a, for instance), pulseaudio takes more cpu than mafw19:33
MNZkerio, for more than one program playing audio19:33
DocScrutinizerthe mixer that allows ringtones to appear in your music, for example19:33
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kerioDocScrutinizer: meh, that still makes the headphones switch from a2dp to hfp19:34
DocScrutinizerPA decided the pretty nice ALSA dmix plugn isn't good enough for them, and does its own mixing :-/19:34
kerioand stops the music, here19:34
MNZDocScrutinizer, still, one would argue mixing wouldn't use cpu as much as mp3 decoding :/ I'm only guessing though, no hard numbers19:34
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DocScrutinizerit's known PA is a greedy crap19:35
MNZmeh someone should pressure nokia to release sources19:36
keriosomeone should break in the nokia hq and release everythin19:36
DocScrutinizerand depending on how carelessly ported to arm arch, might happily blast away doing fp ops simulated in sw, like it were running on a i719:36
kerioDocScrutinizer: eeeeeeeeeew >Xp19:37
MNZwould someone volunteer to profile pulseaudio? pretty please?19:37
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jpinx-eeepcwhere do these guys hang out? -->
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Venemo_N900jpinx-eeepc: what guys?19:41
jpinx-eeepcworking on maemoon_debian19:42
SpeedEvilCheck trhe history of the page19:42
SpeedEvilFind what nicks edited it.19:42
SpeedEvilGoogle them19:42
Venemo_N900jpinx-eeepc: if you are referring to Easy Debian, then quole is he one19:43
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jpinx-eeepcVenemo_N900: no - I am referring to -->
Venemo_N900jpinx-eeepc: ah... okay19:44
jpinx-eeepcbut nevermind - I'm still trying to get ssh over usb to work:/19:45
Venemo_N900jpinx-eeepc: hm, it should be effortless19:45
Venemo_N900all you need is USB networking19:45
Venemo_N900Mad Developer gives you that19:46
jpinx-eeepcVenemo_N900: not according to
jpinx-eeepcwho/what is Mad Developer ?19:46
Venemo_N900jpinx-eeepc: it is a package you can install from the app manager19:47
* jpinx-eeepc searches the wiki19:47
Venemo_N900jpinx-eeepc: search the appmanager instead19:47
jpinx-eeepcThere is no page titled "mad developer".   :/19:48
Venemo_N900jpinx-eeepc: it is a component for MADDE... but it lets you do usb networking with 2 clicks19:48
jpinx-eeepcthe wiki seems to be relatively little use :/19:48
Venemo_N900jpinx-eeepc: the wiki is great, but it doesn't have everything19:49
jpinx-eeepcok - I have to disconnect and reconnec the n900 to use the app mngr19:49
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* jpinx-eeepc looks for a simple download first19:50
Venemo_N900Get it from
jpinx-eeepcsheesh - it'salmost 400Mbs - this could take until tomorrow ;)19:51
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Venemo_N900you misunderstand again19:53
Venemo_N900wait a minute19:53
MNZAnyone know what profiling tools for linux on arm? Only oprofile seems available and valgrind has just been recently ported (May 2010)19:54
jpinx-eeepcVenemo_N900: not sure what you mean - I searched and found  and now I am downloading the app19:56
Venemo_N900you shouldn't19:56
* jpinx-eeepc stops19:56
Venemo_N900Mad developer is not in MADDE, it is installable for the device from the repo19:57
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Venemo_N900jpinx-eeepc: I digged it out for you19:57
jpinx-eeepcwhat section of the repo? system?19:57
jpinx-eeepcis it in extras?19:58
Venemo_N900jpinx-eeepc: extras repo, development category19:58
Venemo_N900here it is19:58
Venemo_N900choose the one from Extras, not the -devel one19:58
jpinx-eeepcthanks :) -- I'll swap the connection over and see what I can find ;)19:59
Venemo_N900just select the "usb_ether" driver, then you can configure the connection20:00
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jpinxN900Venemo_N900: ok it's getting that20:05
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Venemo_N900jpinxN900: you need to configure the connection on your PC, too20:06
jpinxN900join syncd in 96seconds :/20:06
jpinxN900not sure why the wifi is so mujch slower on the N90020:07
SpeedEvilPowersaving screwups20:07
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SpeedEvilwhat does ping do20:07
SpeedEvil12 packets transmitted, 12 packets received, 0% packet loss20:08
SpeedEvilround-trip min/avg/max = 54.046/120.389/243.408 ms20:08
SpeedEvilThis is with powersaving on, and behaving well20:08
SpeedEvilWith powersaving off, it's 50-60ms20:08
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jpinxN900SpeedEvil: 14820:09
SpeedEvilAny packet loss?20:09
SpeedEvilAnd is it varying much?20:09
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jpinxN900not really20:10
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SpeedEvilIs it possible you're going through some sort of firewall?20:11
jpinxN900youhave to be root toping? how sad isthat?20:11
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jpinxN900SpeedEvil: same connection as my eeepc20:11
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Venemo_N900jpinxN900: interesting.20:12
jpinxN900I'll look at it' ping when I swapback20:12
jpinxN900but it is certainly much slower through here20:12
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MNZWhat version of arm do we use on the n900?20:16
SpeedEvilTI OMAP 353020:17
Venemo_N900MNZ: ARMv7l20:18
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GAN900SpeedEvil, 420:20
SpeedEvilerr - yes20:21
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jpinxN900someone needs to edit the wiki to change udevadm control --reload-rules to udevadm control --reload_rules20:28
jpinxN900I tried but it doesn't  ike me20:28
Venemo_N900How so?20:29
Venemo_N900jpinxN900: just click the edit button on the right20:30
jpinxN900dunno just refuses to accept after I do the maths test20:30
jpinxN900and yes--  I can add :)20:31
Venemo_N900Hm. Did you login?20:31
jpinxN900nope - I don't have an account20:31
jpinxN900and I was told to not bother20:32
jpinxN900ok this mad thing has installed and I have config'd the host while I was waiting20:33
Venemo_N900Hm, why not?20:33
jpinxN900so whatto do next? The usb cable has been pluggedin all the time20:34
Venemo_N900jpinxN900: select usb networking in mad dev20:35
Venemo_N900then configure it20:35
* jpinxN900 staysout of irc/wiki politics :)20:35
Venemo_N900from then on, "pc suite mode" will connect with usb networking20:35
jpinxN900where do I find mad dev20:35
Venemo_N900In your application menu20:36
Venemo_N900I thought I gave you a link to the package20:36
kerioi lost my only usb µsd reader :(20:37
keriodid you guys see it somewhere?20:37
jpinxN900ok unplugged and replugged20:38
jpinxN900but mad dcevelonlyoffers mass storage20:39
Venemo_N900Only mass storage? lol!20:40
jpinxN900I chose PC Suite when plugging in20:41
Venemo_N900what's the issue?20:41
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jpinxN900you said to select mad developer20:42
jpinxN900which I did and it only offers mass storage20:43
Venemo_N900jpinxN900: okay... perhaps it's because English is not my native language20:43
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Venemo_N900so.. launch Mad Developer from the app menu20:43
Venemo_N900then configure it20:43
Venemo_N900then select "pc suite mode"20:43
Venemo_N900Select the usb networking driver20:44
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Venemo_N900then set the ip addresses20:45
jpinxN900the edit button for usb0 is not active20:46
Venemo_N900FIRST, select the usb networking driver20:46
Venemo_N900There are like 3 buttons on that UI20:48
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jpinxN900okso itis a server or a client?20:49
Venemo_N900it just loads a driver with the settings you input20:50
jpinxN900this making no sense to me atall20:51
jpinxN900ssh is usually server/client20:51
jpinxN900what settings am I putting in?20:52
Venemo_N900I was referring to networking settings20:52
Venemo_N900if you have the SSH server running on the N900, it will work on USB notwork, too, if this is your question20:53
jpinxN900the network settings asks for dhcp client or server or static20:53
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Venemo_N900Okay... seems that you don't really know what those things mean, do you?20:55
Venemo_N900no problem20:55
Venemo_N900I recommend setting a static IP to the device20:55
jpinxN900usually the client doesn't need anything excdeptto allow ssh incomig connections20:55
Venemo_N9001. set a static IP to the device20:55
Venemo_N9002. set up the USB network on your PC20:56
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Venemo_N900Of course in this case you should set a static IP to the PC too20:56
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jpinx-eeepcVenemo_N900: ok - I gave up typing on the n900  ;)21:01
jpinx-eeepcpresumably now that the apps are installed I can configure it while offline?21:01
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Venemo_N900jpinx-eeepc: yes, I think21:04
luke-jrstatic IPs are lame21:05
luke-jrjust bridge usb0 to your LAN21:05
luke-jrlet it autoconfigure21:05
Venemo_N900luke-jr: for connecting his N900 to his PC, static IP should be good enough21:05
jpinx-eeepcluke-jr: I don't have a LAN21:06
jpinx-eeepcVenemo_N900: I really appreciate thee time you're putting into this - I have set up ssh before and run x over iut, but never done a USB connection before21:06
luke-jrjpinx-eeepc: WAN, whatever21:07
luke-jreveryone has a LAN21:07
luke-jrit's just a question of the size of it21:07
jpinx-eeepcluke-jr: I don't have my own WAN either ;)21:07
luke-jrdoesn't need to be your own21:07
* jpinx-eeepc is on a non-secure pulic WAP that uses aa browser login - and only allows one devvice per password21:08
jpinx-eeepchence my need for ssh by USB cable connect to the N90021:09
jpinx-eeepcI am thinking it is a means of getting a keyboaard that I can actually use on teh n900, and at the same time use the internet wifi via the n90021:10
Venemo_N900jpinx-eeepc: interesting thought21:10
jpinx-eeepctbh, if I am stuck with the n900's own kbd, or virtual kbd, I'll sell it :(21:11
jpinx-eeepcthe onscreen kbd sux badlyc21:11
jpinx-eeepcand the hardware one is ok for my girlfriend (5ft thai girl) ;)21:11
Venemo_N900jpinx-eeepc: haha21:11
jpinx-eeepcbut even she can't "type" on it - it's one finger per hand---21:12
Venemo_N900jpinx-eeepc: I like its hw kbd21:12
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MNZjpinx-eeepc, people easily achieve 30-40 words per minute on it, some even more21:12
jpinx-eeepcthe eeepc kbd is about the smallest kbd one can actually type on in the tradiditonal way21:12
Venemo_N900jpinx-eeepc: this is my first phone with a qwerty21:13
jpinx-eeepcMNZ: I daresay some people with tiny fingertips and loads of practice can - but I am 2 metres tall, weight 100Kgs and have hands to match  :)21:13
Venemo_N900jpinx-eeepc: yeah21:14
Venemo_N900jpinx-eeepc: I type on the N900 with thumbs21:14
SpeedEvilme too.21:14
SpeedEvilI get about 30-35wpm21:14
jpinx-eeepcI bought the n900 on teh basis that people told me there was an external kbd option in the works, but the reality is otherwise21:14
SpeedEvilthat's after about a weeks practice whern my laptop broke21:14
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SpeedEviljpinx-eeepc: some people do use bluetooth keyboards21:15
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jpinx-eeepcyes - I am exploreing bluetooth kbdsh21:15
jpinx-eeepcbut I can not find a compatible one here (bangkok)21:15
jpinx-eeepcso - the long and short of it is that I really want ssh over usb21:16
SpeedEvilSo do.21:16
Venemo_N900jpinx-eeepc: order from ebay?21:17
jpinx-eeepcSpeedEvil: been there, didn't work21:17
SpeedEvilworks for me.21:17
jpinx-eeepcI *really* want ssh over usb21:17
SpeedEvilWhy diddn't it work21:17
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luke-jrjpinx-eeepc: you obviously haven't typed on a C76021:18
Venemo_N900SpeedEvil: I told him to try Mad Developer21:18
jpinx-eeepcVenemo_N900: had me install a mad developer thing21:18
jpinx-eeepcbut that is really confusing the issue21:18
luke-jrC760 was usable "in the traditional way"21:18
luke-jrand only 2x as thick as N81021:19
jpinx-eeepcVenemo_N900: ok - I have mad developer open21:19
jpinx-eeepcwhat exactly am I inputting?21:19
jpinx-eeepcIP address
jpinx-eeepcYck default route21:20
SpeedEvilI just have a script on the host sife that does 'ifconfig usb0
SpeedEvilroute add usb021:20
SpeedEvilssh root@phone ifconfig usb0
SpeedEvilssh -N -D 8888 root@phoneusb21:20
SpeedEviland that's it21:20
Venemo_N900jpinx-eeepc: what's your issue? it should work21:21
SpeedEvilto give me a socks proxy on the phone21:21
SpeedEvilWorks fine21:21
Venemo_N900jpinx-eeepc: did you set it up on the computer, too?21:21
SpeedEvilOnce the setup tweaks on the n900 side have been done21:21
Corsachmmh, in which component are the contacts backup'ed?21:21
Corsac“communication and calendar”?21:22
jpinx-eeepcVenemo_N900: i hit configure, and it goes to a screen with usbO showing no settings21:22
Venemo_N900jpinx-eeepc: hm.21:22
Venemo_N900jpinx-eeepc: I have no ida then21:22
Venemo_N900jpinx-eeepc: it works for me with 2 clicks21:23
jpinx-eeepcwhich 2 clicks?21:23
Venemo_N900jpinx-eeepc: or 321:24
jpinx-eeepcis there something to be done to mad developer to make it active?21:24
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jpinx-eeepcSpeedEvil: I worked through the wiki and just did not get a result, network is unreachable21:25
luke-jrjpinx-eeepc: the removable cards are CompactFlash, for size comparison21:25
jpinx-eeepcI *really* want ssh over usb to the n900  ;)21:26
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SpeedEviljpinx-eeepc: Is the interface up on both sides?21:27
SpeedEviljpinx-eeepc: Does it show incrementing packets when pinged?21:27
SpeedEviljpinx-eeepc: Are the routes correct?21:28
MNZis there a way to set the phone to not connect to any gsm networks but still connect to wifi? besides removing sim card...21:28
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jpinx-eeepcSpeedEvil: after following the wiki for the eeepc setup ifconfig does not show any usb21:30
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SpeedEvilyou have the correct module on your eeepc?21:30
SpeedEvilIt's loaded?21:30
Venemo_N900Hey again21:30
SpeedEvilModule or inbuilt kernel option21:30
Venemo_N900I got "no cellular network available"...21:30
jpinx-eeepcSpeedEvil: kernel 2.6.3221:31
* Venemo_N900 is on a train right now21:31
SpeedEviljpinx-eeepc: You have the cdc_ether module loaded?21:32
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SpeedEvilDo you get syslogs like21:32
jpinx-eeepcwhat do you want me to paste?21:32
SpeedEvilSep  4 19:19:55 darkstar kernel: [32958.196262] cdc_ether 1-1:1.8: usb_probe_inter21:33
SpeedEvilSep  4 19:19:55 darkstar kernel: [32958.196267] cdc_ether 1-1:1.8: usb_probe_interface - got id21:33
SpeedEvilSep  4 19:19:55 darkstar kernel: [32958.197910] usb0: register 'cdc_ether' at usb-0000:00:1d.7-1, CDC Ethernet Device, 0a:f3:7f:42:42:4221:33
SpeedEvilon boot21:33
SpeedEvilnot boot21:33
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SpeedEvilAfter you select 'pc suite' mode21:33
jpinx-eeepcok - hang on while I unplug and replug...21:34
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MNZwhere are the upstart scripts kept, if there are any?21:35
bef0rdhey just wondering, does the n900 support ovi suite or nokia suite?21:36
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Venemo_N900MNZ: /etc/event.d/ afaik21:37
kerioMNZ: there's a "tablet mode" package21:37
kerioit adds another button to the power menu21:37
kerioshuts down the phone21:37
kerioleaving you with a tablet21:37
MNZkerio, sweet will try that.21:38
MNZVenemo_N900, thanks that's it21:38
SpeedEviljpinx-eeepc: Now - what does ifconfig n900 show?21:38
luke-jrbef0rd: N900 isn't a phone21:38
SpeedEvilYou may need to ifconfig n900 up first21:39
* SpeedEvil stabs luke-jr with a rottweiler named Sue.21:39
luke-jrSpeedEvil: rottweilers aren't named Sue21:39
SpeedEvilThis one is, and he's very sensitive about the name.21:39
bef0rdI know the whole story, I just wanted to know if it was compatible with any software to manage contacts21:39
luke-jrI have a shotgun.21:39
SpeedEvilI has a flavour.21:40
luke-jrdo rottweilers taste good?21:40
jpinx-eeepcSpeedEvil: inet addr:
SpeedEvilNo, rthey cast detect evil.21:40
SpeedEviljpinx-eeepc: Right - now on the n900 side - if you ping that address - do you get a response?21:40
Venemo_N900bef0rd: sorry, what's your issue?21:41
jpinx-eeepcSpeedEvil: cool- yes21:42
SpeedEvilOk - the connection is working you need to setup routing on both sides21:42
bef0rdhey Venemo_N900, I just want to see if I can remove some useless contacts that got added when I installed the msn-pecan library21:42
jpinx-eeepcand ifconfig -a in the n900 shows usb0 with
jpinx-eeepcSpeedEvil: ok what does that need?21:44
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Venemo_N900bef0rd: beware with that, it may delete your contacts from MSN, too21:44
bef0rdyea I don't mind, I actually tried to delete them from msn too, still doesn't work gonna delete all contacts and try again :P21:45
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lolloohow can i make firefox my default browser for maemo?21:46
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kerioshort answer: you can't21:46
ToJa92[lolloo]: Try browser switchboard21:46
Venemo_N900bef0rd: if you don't mind, then just delete them21:46
Venemo_N900bef0rd: note that Pecan can be quite buggy sometimes21:47
lolloohey ToJa9221:47
jpinx-eeepcSpeedEvil: at the moment ssh is telling me no route to host, so what do I need ?21:47
bef0rdVenemo_N900, yup, I've got some crashes, going to try ovi suite, somebody said it was compatible on a forum21:47
lolloowhere is that switch bord?21:47
ToJa92[lolloo]: Should be in app manager21:48
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ToJa92I think it's in the extras repository21:48
lolloocool lemme check21:48
Venemo_N900bef0rd: I recommend you to try Butterfly for MSN21:48
Venemo_N900bef0rd: and yes, Ovi suite is compatible... to some extent21:49
lolloowhy? why butterfly?21:49
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lolloowhy isnt E-buddy not supported yet?21:50
lolloonor Fring21:50
Venemo_N900lolloo: Pecan wants to readd all my deleted contacts on every login21:51
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bef0rdVenemo_N900, I have that issue too,I get like 20 confirmation messages on every login..21:52
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Venemo_N900I got disconnected again21:57
Venemo_N900I'm in the middle of nowhere, there is barely some network coverage here...21:58
lolloowhat client r u using for irc21:58
lollooon ur n90021:58
Venemo_N900lolloo: Communi21:58
lolloofor n900?21:59
Venemo_N900lolloo: yes21:59
lolloois it on app manager?21:59
Venemo_N900lolloo: its author sent me a .deb :)21:59
Venemo_N900lolloo: it is unreleased (yet)21:59
lolloommm is it better than Xchat?22:00
Venemo_N900lolloo: but you can get XChat from the repos22:00
lollooya am using it now22:00
Venemo_N900lolloo: it is more lightweight22:00
lolloour right22:00
Venemo_N900lolloo: and I'm planning to contribute to it22:00
lolloobut not many options22:00
Venemo_N900lolloo: right22:01
lolloohow do u right in red to me?22:01
merlin1991I like xchat, I actually switched to xchat on my desktop too now22:01
merlin1991because he adds your name first22:01
Venemo_N900lolloo: what do you mean?22:01
lollooyes not same on linux22:01
merlin1991lolloo, red text22:01
lollooyour replying to me22:01
lolloousing my name22:01
Venemo_N900merlin1991: XChat is good, but not finger friendly22:02
lolloohow do u do that?22:02
Venemo_N900lolloo: yes, I am22:02
Venemo_N900I write your name in my message22:02
merlin1991lolloo: when your write someone name in the msg it gets highlighted in red22:02
Venemo_N900then it gets highlighted for you22:02
Venemo_N900lolloo, merlin1991 is right22:02
lollooVenemo_N900 is this right?22:03
lolloodidt worl22:03
Venemo_N900lolloo: YES!22:03
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lollooit did nice22:03
Venemo_N900lolloo: it only highlights for the person whose name is there22:03
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Venemo_N900merlin1991, if your name refers to your birthdate, then we were born in the same year22:03
lollooso u see it red in ur end?22:04
Venemo_N900lolloo: yes!22:04
* luke-jr rubs his eyes22:04
luke-jr1991-births are allowed on IRC now?22:04
Venemo_N900luke-jr: why, are they not? :P22:04
merlin1991yes luke-jr22:05
luke-jrVenemo_N900: you have to be a certain age to use FreeNode22:05
merlin1991and if you check the logs, I'm here since quite some time :D22:05
merlin1991Venemo_N900, yeah it is22:05
Venemo_N900luke-jr: I'm 19. That not enough for ya?22:05
luke-jrVenemo_N900: I feel old.22:05
Venemo_N900luke-jr: you don't need to :)22:05
Venemo_N900luke-jr: there is a saying in Hungary, which roughly translates to "you're only as old as you feel"22:06
* jpinx-eeepc is ssh'd over usb - thanks for all the help SpeedEvil Venemo_N900 22:06
Venemo_N900jpinx-eeepc: you're welcome!22:07
* luke-jr still associates 90s with 4-years-old22:07
Venemo_N900jpinx-eeepc: you see, I knew it would work22:07
Venemo_N900luke-jr: 1990s or 1890s?22:07
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Venemo_N900luke-jr: :P22:08
jpinx-eeepcVenemo_N900: where I come efrom it's "You're only as old as the woman you feel"  :)22:09
Venemo_N900jpinx-eeepc: lol22:09
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citygentDoes any body know if there is an irc channel for neopwn (v2)?22:09
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Venemo_N900Anyways, I'll quit. my battery is nearly depleted and I wish to listen to music22:09
lolloomerlin1991 hiii22:10
Venemo_N900So, goodbye22:11
lolloomerlin1991 how are you22:11
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zapThis optification idea was totally horrible. There are lots of broken packages because of this22:12
zapWhy not just mount /usr to the internal flash card instead, like most decent unices do22:13
achipazap: you're a year late - in short, would cause issues with reflashing, root is faster, that sort of stuff. It's hideous but the other solutions were, too22:16
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Corsachmhm, is there a note applet which would access notes from inside the calendar/tasks/notes system?22:18
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midas_too bad that nokia is almost stopping the support for the n900 completely with the release of meego.. :<22:20
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measureany one tried compiz on n900?22:29
Chibi-Taigaanyone knows if there is perl for n900?22:29
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measureafaik should be there22:30
nox-perl is on there by default i think, tho cpan doesnt work22:30
Chibi-Taigahumm so i can run pl scripts ?22:31
nox-those that dont need perl stuff thats not been ported, yes22:31
Chibi-Taigawell its for xchat22:31
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Chibi-Taigaseems perl isnt on mines acording xchat22:36
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Chibi-Taigabtw is there an rar app for n900 to ?22:37
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Chibi-Taigaso uhm can anyone help ?22:42
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trumeeany nokia guys around?22:50
trumeeanybody who has access to internal bug reports around?22:51
Lynouretrumee: why do you ask something like that?22:51
trumeeLynoure: i need to find out about an internal bug report.22:52
Lynouretrumee: if you don't have access, they cannot really tell you what's there either, unless you show them an NDA22:52
trumeeLynoure: relax i have a  question about opensource code only.22:52
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Lynouretrumee: better luck catching people in work network during work hours22:53
trumeeLynoure: yeah, probably. although sometimes timeless is around.22:53
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nptcan anyone tell me what there if for the n800 beyond the last official nokia release?22:56
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nptI heard about some community based distributions??22:56
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lcuknpt, obviously theres a load of community apps, there is an in testing community ssu for n8x0 also22:58
lcukthere is more on the forums relating to this22:58
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Samhitaany idea when nitroid with phone functionality gets released?23:04
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lcukSamhita, ask the nitdroid guys23:04
lcukhaving working phone service is taken for granted round here ;)23:04
kerioi thought they already did calls23:05
kerioor maybe it was just data23:05
MohammadAGthey do calls23:05
MohammadAGbut afaik audio doesn't get routed23:05
MohammadAGat least you can miss call with it23:05
lcukoh Manchester police, how you do us proud.23:06
nptlcuk: what I mean is, is there a Community based distribution for the thing?23:06
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nptI heard that ubuntu was going to port to it, etc23:06
Samhitatx luck and MohammadAG23:06
lcuknpt, the n8x0 has at numerous times had various things23:06
lcukyou will be thinking of Mer23:06
kerioMohammadAG: heh, that's what i do with most of my calls23:06
MohammadAGlcuk *23:06
MohammadAGkerio, you suck :P23:07
MohammadAGcalls are made to be rejected, not missed23:07
nptlcuk: is mir still around?23:07
MohammadAGmer's dead23:07
keriowhy can't people use msn/jabber/skype to contact me23:07
lcukit is, but its not moved anywhere for a while23:07
lcukstuck in a basement23:07
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nptis it better than the last nokia release?23:07
MohammadAGwas planning to resurrect it23:07
lcukit was unfinished23:08
nptis there anything that is better than the last nokia release?23:08
MohammadAGbase it on Ubuntu 9.1023:08
lcukmaemo diablo is rocking on 8x0 though23:08
kerioMohammadAG: just ignoring them is easier23:08
lcukadd mirror23:08
keriogives you plausible deniability23:08
lcukand its pretty close to fremantle :)23:08
MohammadAGkerio, that works too23:08
kerioNokia N900 - a phone for people who hate talking23:08
lcuknpt, what was wrong with the nokia release23:08
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lcukkerio, calls work on the n900?23:09
lcukon maemo at least23:09
* satmd heard there's a new release planned23:09
keriolcuk: 'twas a joke23:09
nptlcuk: nothing is wrong with it, just looking for a more updated kernel, etc23:09
lcukthen look at the community ssu23:09
kerioyou know23:09
keriophone for ners23:09
* lcuk tells his girlfriend and son that they are nerds23:10
nptwhat is the community "ssu" ?23:10
lcukseamless update23:10
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nptmy son will be a nerd23:10
MohammadAGseamless software update*23:10
lcukone of mine is more nerdier than the other23:10
nptI don;t have one yet but when I do, he (or she) will be a nerd23:10
lcukbut luke uses the house 900 for facebook23:10
nptahh, interesting23:10
nptcan you link me to the ssu?23:10
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Chibi-Taigaguys ?23:12
DocScrutinizernpt: hildon-application-manager23:12
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Chibi-Taigadoes anyone know howto creat an m3u playlist for n900 ?23:12
lcuknpt, theres a few threads about it23:12
DocScrutinizerthe best and shortest link to SSU23:12
lcuklemme see which was the most uptodate23:12
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nptthank lcuk23:13
DocScrutinizerlo Jaffa23:13
nptyou are a nice guy23:13
lcukhey Jaffa \o23:13
lcuk(another nice guy :p)23:14
DocScrutinizerbah, nothing beats grumpy doc23:14
nptoh yeah? well good to meet you then Jaffa.23:14
lcuknpt, thats not the newest but it indicates the list of fixes in the update23:16
nptthanks lcuk!23:16
* lcuk is actually having trouble getting info23:16
nptso it's like updates to a regular distro?23:17
lcukand we only just bloody did this i think my head has melted or somethin23:17
nptlike apt-get update or emerge --sync type deal?23:17
lcukit updates like diablo ssu does using the app manager, but it does not include as wide ranging patches that a full OS update will include23:18
lcukand apt-get mechanism has afaik never been officially supported for any update23:18
lcuksince the device ships without root required :P23:18
DocScrutinizerooh, community SSU for diablo? sorry for the noise then23:19
lcukheh DocScrutinizer yeah23:19
lcukits the one that I don't know much about but that we should be learning from23:19
lcukJaffa, how was the rest of the week with your trainees23:20
lcukare they fully capable all set to go now?23:20
npthmm ok reading23:20
nptstill a bit confused but if it will update me from the really old last nokia release, even partially, I want it.23:20
npt: )23:20
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* DocScrutinizer feels like throwing together a few dirt cheap scripts with zenity23:21
lcuknpt, it will take more digging i think, its having its patches put onto git and organising it from the side to be cleanly provided rather than the smaller scale tests23:22
nptlcuk: gotcha, that makes more sense I suppose.23:23
nptWell, I am glad to hear things are happening. I had been hoping there would be a "hacker edition" like there was with 2008 for the n77023:24
nptbut this is still WAY cooler than nothing23:24
Jaffalcuk: In two days they fixed a bug each and closed another as cannot reproduce/fixed already.23:24
lcukthe issue with a hacker edition is the powervr mostly23:24
Jaffalcuk: Which is good.23:25
lcuknpt, since the system ended up making much more use of the silicon on the omap3 than previous generations23:25
lcukit would be much harder to do23:25
lcukbut try just installing telescope :)23:25
lcukeven without a major system update, it can change the way you feel about your device :)23:26
lcukJaffa, heh, that is good news then23:26
nptwhat IS telescope?23:27
Chibi-Taigaguess you guys can help with creat m3u for n90023:27
DocScrutinizerseems it's some eyecandy23:27
DocScrutinizerwhich had been supposed to be impossible previously?23:28
lcukDocScrutinizer, yeah23:28
lcukthe dashboard on the n900 was one of the major points and uses of the powervr23:28
* DocScrutinizer hates eyecandy :-P23:29
lcukand telescope manages the same effect iwth some low level compositing and x11 magic23:29
nptthis I will try I guess23:29
nptjust to see what it looks like23:29
nptI can always reflash if I don't like it23:30
nptor just uninstall telescope23:30
lcuknpt, but whilst you are talking, dont mention usb host mode to DocScrutinizer23:30
lcukhe shouts :P23:30
* lcuk giggles23:30
nptI am confused?23:30
DocScrutinizerinsider gaga23:31
DocScrutinizergaga as well, but I meant gag23:31
lcuka regression in the n900 with hostmode occured and the n8x0 can do it easily whilst n900 cannot yet23:31
nptdoes it have to do with the ps3 stuff23:31
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DocScrutinizernot at all23:31
lcukno, thats feasible from n900 :P23:31
nptI know23:31
DocScrutinizerthough ps-freedom is a cool hack23:31
nptalso from the n800 according to the src23:31
nptyes it is23:31
nptvery cool23:31
nptI am trying to determine if the src is true or not23:32
nptI hadn't used my n800 is about six months, and honestly ps-freedom was what made me think about it23:32
nptI don't have a ps323:32
DocScrutinizerKaKaRoTo claimed he *is* already getting paid by Nokia, for the great advertisment of NITs23:33
nptare you SERIOUS?23:33
nptI assume that was a joke?23:33
DocScrutinizerhalf half23:33
npt: )23:33
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DocScrutinizerI'm sure Nokia doesn't pay him for ps-freedom or for the advertising effects of it23:34
nptso, since the musb driver is the hardest part of the src, as long as it's recompiled on 2.6.21 on the n800, everything ought to work then huh?23:34
DocScrutinizerotoh it seems his company is doing a lot for Nokia23:34
lcukwell KaKaRoTo is a fellow collaboran23:34
npthey - it's you23:34
nptI can ask you23:34
KaKaRoTolcuk, hi again :p23:34
nptdoes it work on the n800 KaKaRoTo?23:35
* lcuk has seen you somewhere else :P23:35
KaKaRoTonpt, yes, it does23:35
KaKaRoTobut the controller's driver is unstable, so you have to edit the /usr/sbin/  to prevent it from trying to load the mass storage driver23:36
nptso, what do I need to do differently on the n800 than with the n900? just compile it on n800 so the  .28 module isn't trying to force itself into a .21 kernel?23:36
KaKaRoTowhen it tries to load it, it corrupts psfreedom's memory and blocks the controller before it realizes "oh, you're busy, sorry"23:36
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nptI just updated my n800 to the latest nokia release23:37
DocScrutinizerKaKaRoTo: LOL23:37
nptcan you help me get it going? I would REALLY appreciate it.23:37
KaKaRoToDocScrutinizer, I got a question for you23:37
KaKaRoTonpt, grab the binary file, i've put it somewhere (if only I remembered where)23:38
npt: )23:38
KaKaRoTonpt, let me talk to DocScrutinizer, and I'll come back to you,ok ?23:38
npt: )23:38
KaKaRoToDocScrutinizer, question is.. I realized that whenever my module gets loaded, I can't rmmod it.. 'lsmod' shows Used=4billion-something (0xFFFFFFFF)23:38
KaKaRoTodockane, once I plug it in, it goes to 0 and I can rmmod it23:39
KaKaRoToand it looks like it's been like that from day one23:39
KaKaRoTohow the hell am I supposed to initialize the 'used counter' or whatever23:39
DocScrutinizerit's friggin -123:39
KaKaRoTog_file_storage doesn't have that problem, so obviously, I'm doing something wrong23:39
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KaKaRoTobut I couldn't find anything in the file_storage.c's bind function23:39
DocScrutinizerit frees a driver use count that never got incremented before, I'd say23:40
KaKaRoToyeah, it's -123:40
KaKaRoTobut where can I 'set it' to 023:40
KaKaRoToor what am I supposed to do for the usb system to set it properly23:41
DocScrutinizersome nasty driver is calling the _unload_ or whatyacallit, without previously having called a proper _load_23:41
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DocScrutinizerso the usecount of the driver in question goes down from initial usecount=0 to -123:42
DocScrutinizerand that's obviously a bug23:42
DocScrutinizer(btw taling out of my ass here)23:43
KaKaRoTodoes it have to do with the bind/unbind23:43
KaKaRoToor it's load/unload of the module23:43
DocScrutinizerno clue, sorry23:43
DocScrutinizerask paul23:43
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DocScrutinizerhe's much more savvy wrt low level kernel things than me23:44
KaKaRoTodockane, PaulF ?23:44
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DocScrutinizertell him the problem, point him to the source, and if you bribe him nicely ( :-P ) he will fix it for you in 5 min23:46
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KaKaRoTohehe, ok, thx :)23:46
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nptKaKaRoTo, so, would you mind helping me?23:52
nptI am a HUGE fan of your work.23:52
nptit's pretty amazing actually23:52
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nptKakaroto, may I PM you?23:54
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KaKaRoTonpt, go ahead, but i'm on the phone atm23:54
nptwell, would it be better to talk n800 edits in here or PM?23:55
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nptas I am a proud n800 owner : )23:56
nptwish I had a n900 but can't justify have both since I have a phone and a bluetooth gps and keybd23:57
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DocScrutinizernpt: ps-freedom is a maemo topic, no? so it's supposed to be discussed in public23:59
nptok cool23:59
npt: )23:59
nptI thought so but23:59

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