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| lupine_85 | like a reversed version of http://johnnylee.net/projects/wii/ | 00:00 |
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| GNUtoo|laptop | DocScrutinizer, I wonder about something, if n900 has lots of devs for SHR maybe they will be enough | 00:00 |
| lupine_85 | (the whiteboard version) | 00:00 |
| GNUtoo|laptop | and I should go palm-pre | 00:00 |
| lcuk | lupine_85, yeah | 00:00 |
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| lcuk | (hence inverted..) | 00:00 |
| lcuk | it uses a triangle of leds | 00:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | GNUtoo|laptop: nah, you should join the N900 effort | 00:01 |
| lcuk | its the sort of thing the wiimote does | 00:01 |
| GNUtoo|laptop | DocScrutinizer, why? really? | 00:01 |
| GNUtoo|laptop | where should/can I help on n900 port | 00:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | GNUtoo|laptop: talk with mickey | 00:01 |
| GNUtoo|laptop | ok | 00:01 |
| MNZ | GNUtoo|laptop, because #maemo is fun! | 00:01 |
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| GNUtoo|laptop | bbs | 00:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer | well, MNZ - I don't think GNUtoo|laptop will be much involved in #maemo, when porting SHR to N900 | 00:02 |
| GNUtoo|laptop | DocScrindeed | 00:03 |
| GNUtoo|laptop | oops | 00:03 |
| GNUtoo|laptop | *indeed | 00:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | regex matched :-P | 00:03 |
| GNUtoo|laptop | DocScrutinizer, mickeyl is not there at the moment | 00:03 |
| GNUtoo|laptop | do you know the reason why I should join the n900 port | 00:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | I can't help | 00:03 |
| GNUtoo|laptop | *I know a bit vala | 00:03 |
| GNUtoo|laptop | *I know a bit kernel | 00:04 |
| GNUtoo|laptop | *I know oe | 00:04 |
| GNUtoo|laptop | but I'm not sure reverse-engineering is for me | 00:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | all good points to join N900-SHR, rather than go for a crappy pre | 00:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer | GNUtoo|laptop: there's no RE needed | 00:04 |
| GNUtoo|laptop | really? | 00:04 |
| GNUtoo|laptop | if no RE I join as soon as I come back in italy | 00:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | N900 is just open enough so you don't need RE | 00:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer | (mostly :-P) | 00:05 |
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| MNZ | funny we were just discussing pulseaudio a few hours ago :P | 00:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | there's at least 4 OS running on N900 right now, and 2 of them are actually doing phonecalls now | 00:06 |
| kerio | maemo and nitdroid? | 00:07 |
| kerio | i thought meego did calls too | 00:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | duh, so make that 5 | 00:07 |
| kerio | wait, what | 00:07 |
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| kerio | maemo fremantle, nitdroid, meego and? | 00:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | gentoo, buntkuh | 00:07 |
| kerio | ooh | 00:08 |
| kerio | right | 00:08 |
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| lcuk | DEBIAN | 00:08 |
| lcuk | -caps | 00:08 |
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| lcuk | qole has a nice easydebian doesnt he | 00:09 |
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| kerio | nah, DEBIAN should always be in all caps | 00:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | six, who got more ? :-D | 00:09 |
| lcuk | that allows maemo phone calls still | 00:09 |
| kerio | and we were talking about OSes | 00:09 |
| kerio | weren't we | 00:09 |
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| lcuk | i think mer was based on ubuntu | 00:09 |
| kerio | does mer run on n900? | 00:09 |
| lcuk | yes i believe so | 00:09 |
| lcuk | i dunno which version anymore | 00:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | 7 | 00:10 |
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| lcuk | i have seen amiga emulators and dos emulators :P | 00:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | LOL | 00:10 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer: yeah but how many of those can run concurrently? | 00:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I resisted that pun | 00:10 |
| lcuk | kerio, easydebian runs in a window | 00:10 |
| kerio | easydebian is *not* a OS :| | 00:11 |
| lcuk | and easymeego will as well if i read it correctly | 00:11 |
| lcuk | its debian :P | 00:11 |
| kerio | why would i run something like "easymeego" | 00:11 |
| lcuk | because hardmeego is hard | 00:11 |
| MNZ | because ameego is hard..... isn't that what she said? | 00:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer | well chroot isn't really an OS for this competition | 00:12 |
| SpeedEvil | There is no especial reason you can't make it not a chroot | 00:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer | missing system drivers | 00:13 |
| SpeedEvil | For example - rip out all of the post-X-bringup stuff, and jam in the debian chroot in there. | 00:13 |
| SpeedEvil | And you've got it mostly. | 00:13 |
| kerio | "mostly" | 00:13 |
| SpeedEvil | And yes - this is maeohmygodnowhathaveyoudonetocreatethisabominationian - not a clean merge. | 00:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | how's easy debian going to create a native /dev and /sys? | 00:14 |
| jacekowski | with udev | 00:14 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer: copy scripts! what else? | 00:14 |
| MohammadAG | native? it's won't, mount --bind ftw | 00:14 |
| SpeedEvil | I mean by jam the chroot in - copy the bits of chroots into / - and simply have X start it | 00:15 |
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| MohammadAG | <lcuk> i think mer was based on ubuntu | 00:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | I think for a device it takes more than mkdev | 00:15 |
| MohammadAG | damn, copied an extra line | 00:15 |
| MohammadAG | Ubuntu 8.04 | 00:15 |
| SpeedEvil | Basically - debian is another 'user' | 00:15 |
| SpeedEvil | with a different xconfig | 00:15 |
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| MohammadAG | 56 minutes to copy over 21GBs... so slow | 00:15 |
| MohammadAG | brb | 00:15 |
| lcuk | MohammadAG, try it over wifi ;) | 00:15 |
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| jacekowski | lcuk: i was copying my old HDDs to new NAS | 00:16 |
| jacekowski | lcuk: over wifi | 00:16 |
| jacekowski | took me two weeks | 00:16 |
| jacekowski | 2T of data | 00:16 |
| jacekowski | well little bit more than 1T | 00:16 |
| lcuk | yyou shouldv left off the binary 1s | 00:16 |
| lcuk | it wouldv copied quicker | 00:16 |
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| jacekowski | /dev/md2 1.9T 1.2T 664G 65% /shares/Data | 00:18 |
| jacekowski | ARM, gigabit NIC | 00:18 |
| jacekowski | 128M of ram | 00:18 |
| lcuk | why use wifi then? | 00:19 |
| MNZ | whoooosh | 00:19 |
| jacekowski | because i had no cable | 00:19 |
| jacekowski | well, i had a cable and plugs | 00:20 |
| * DocScrutinizer wonders idly why dbus-scripting acted up in such a "funny" way. | 00:20 | |
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| kerio | jacekowski: wait, what | 00:20 |
| kerio | A WEEK? | 00:20 |
| MNZ | 2 weeks | 00:21 |
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| kerio | i can transfer 250gb in less than a day | 00:21 |
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| kerio | via wifi | 00:21 |
| jacekowski | b/g? | 00:21 |
| kerio | half n | 00:21 |
| MohammadAG | lcuk, wifi eh? | 00:21 |
| kerio | (2.4) | 00:21 |
| jacekowski | while still using it for other stuff | 00:21 |
| MohammadAG | the N900 supports G only afaik | 00:21 |
| kerio | yeah :( | 00:21 |
| MohammadAG | (well, g and b, but still) | 00:21 |
| crashanddie | ok wtf | 00:21 |
| kerio | who uses b anyway | 00:21 |
| jacekowski | my wifi can push 2M/s at most | 00:21 |
| jacekowski | and it's b/g | 00:22 |
| MohammadAG | kerio, sony, PSP | 00:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | and just for the laughs and giggles - if anybody wants to investigate why you can't start the device via powerbutton, when you powered it down correctly while a forkbomb was eating up all processtable entries... you're welcome | 00:22 |
| jacekowski | up to 54mbits | 00:22 |
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| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: because it doesn't shut down | 00:22 |
| MohammadAG | I downloaded a file with 20MB/s speeds over gigabit | 00:22 |
| MohammadAG | actually, the other PC was a 10/100 | 00:22 |
| crashanddie | ipod nano in the us $149 (116 euros), ipod nano in france: 169 euros ($216) | 00:22 |
| MohammadAG | racists | 00:22 |
| SpeedEvil | crashanddie: and this surprises you why? | 00:22 |
| jacekowski | apple sux | 00:22 |
| MohammadAG | they should do what sony did | 00:22 |
| MohammadAG | s/did/does | 00:23 |
| jacekowski | what does sony do? | 00:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: was my idea as well, but then why would it start with unlit NOLO screen on plugin of charger? | 00:23 |
| crashanddie | SpeedEvil: well, usually they keep the same digits, different currency -- that I was used to | 00:23 |
| MohammadAG | $149 in the US = 149 euros in the EU, 149 pounds in the UK | 00:23 |
| SpeedEvil | crashanddie: also - note thatr import duty and VAT is a largish slice of that. | 00:23 |
| MohammadAG | now if only they did that to yens | 00:23 |
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| jacekowski | crashanddie: do you know that you have to add sales tax to price they give you on US website? | 00:23 |
| crashanddie | jacekowski: I didn't | 00:23 |
| crashanddie | that would make a lot more sense then | 00:23 |
| crashanddie | nevermind, I'll stfu | 00:23 |
| jacekowski | yeah i went to shop in US | 00:23 |
| kerio | 149$ -> 216$ is a lot | 00:24 |
| jacekowski | to buy stuff for $100 | 00:24 |
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| jacekowski | and i had to pay like 10-20$ more | 00:24 |
| jacekowski | because they don't tell you about that tax | 00:24 |
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| kerio | yeah but that's 65$ of taxes on 149$ | 00:24 |
| crashanddie | SpeedEvil & jacekowski: the website says "44 eur tax on the 8gb nano" | 00:24 |
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| SpeedEvil | crashanddie: in addition? | 00:25 |
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| crashanddie | nope, included | 00:25 |
| crashanddie | EU law forces the price to include the taxes | 00:25 |
| SpeedEvil | Unless it's B2B | 00:25 |
| crashanddie | (or at least mention when it's before tax) | 00:25 |
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| jacekowski | yeah, i hate when people do it like that | 00:26 |
| jacekowski | give you price before/after taxes depending on what's better for them | 00:26 |
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| jacekowski | and then if you think about it | 00:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: (forkbomb) just test it, it's painless | 00:27 |
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| lcuk | 19 years of commercial cellphones | 00:28 |
| jacekowski | when you get paid for example £30k/year then there is 20% income tax + 11% of NI just before it ever reaches you | 00:28 |
| SpeedEvil | Corporation tax too. | 00:28 |
| jacekowski | 9.3k of taxes there | 00:29 |
| jacekowski | then add VAT | 00:29 |
| crashanddie | I was about to buy a nano right now | 00:29 |
| * SpeedEvil puts on a track by Paul Hardcastle. | 00:29 | |
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| jacekowski | another 20% | 00:29 |
| jacekowski | and it works out that over 50% of your wages are taxes straight away | 00:29 |
| crashanddie | then I thought: "When the fuck am I going to use it? I'm driving a motorbike -- no music; and all the rest of the time I have a laptop or good sound system" | 00:29 |
| jacekowski | then council tax | 00:29 |
| jacekowski | duty | 00:29 |
| SpeedEvil | crashanddie: yeah. | 00:30 |
| jacekowski | some other smaller taxes | 00:30 |
| crashanddie | jacekowski: in the UK, someone who earns over 150k a year pays 62.5% taxes | 00:30 |
| SpeedEvil | crashanddie - my n900 is actually quite adequate for me as an mp3 player. | 00:30 |
| lcuk | what was the model number of the first nokia cellphone? | 00:30 |
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| * lcuk wants a picture really | 00:30 | |
| jacekowski | crashanddie: only from the amount above 150k | 00:30 |
| lcuk | but in all the history of cellphones i see damned motos | 00:30 |
| crashanddie | jacekowski: no, on average | 00:31 |
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| crashanddie | jacekowski: err, sorry, yes, obviously | 00:31 |
| lcuk | ahhhhhhah | 00:31 |
| lcuk | http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/gallery/2010/feb/14/mobile-phones-gadgets-iphone#/?picture=357620345&index=2 | 00:31 |
| MohammadAG | lcuk, the first nokia just spawned | 00:31 |
| lcuk | Mobira Cityman | 00:31 |
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| jacekowski | crashanddie: all taxes or just income + ni + something? | 00:31 |
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| kerio | the 3310 was a fucking revolution | 00:32 |
| crashanddie | jacekowski: all taxes | 00:32 |
| jacekowski | but it's too high anyways | 00:32 |
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| crashanddie | jacekowski: hang on, I blogged about it | 00:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | Das Nokia 1011, das erste GSM-Mobiltelefon von Nokia, wurde im November 1992 in den Markt eingeführt. | 00:32 |
| lcuk | kerio, 3310? | 00:32 |
| lcuk | you were late to the party :P | 00:32 |
| kerio | nokia 3310/3330 | 00:32 |
| lcuk | 3210 was the iconic one most people I ask remember | 00:32 |
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| jacekowski | crashanddie: and have you heard what colchester county councill plans to do | 00:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://de.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Datei:Nokia_1011.jpg&filetimestamp=20100522224854 | 00:32 |
| crashanddie | jacekowski: note the date: http://arrogantandcondescending.blogspot.com/2009/05/high-taxes-are-on-horizon.html | 00:33 |
| lcuk | google gives the 6230 as its first hit on pictures for "nokia phone" | 00:33 |
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| jacekowski | crashanddie: build two million pounds gypsy traveller site in colchester | 00:33 |
| jacekowski | for them to live there | 00:33 |
| crashanddie | two million is nothing | 00:34 |
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| jacekowski | that's part of costs | 00:34 |
| lupine_85 | sounds like a good idea to me | 00:34 |
| jacekowski | new houses were built close to there | 00:34 |
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| jacekowski | think about how value of this houses will drop | 00:34 |
| jacekowski | thefts | 00:34 |
| * lupine_85 notes there's a gypsy traveller site with permanent housing built about 10m from his hosue | 00:34 | |
| lupine_85 | house* | 00:34 |
| lupine_85 | it's fine | 00:34 |
| jacekowski | you must be one of them | 00:35 |
| lupine_85 | oh, quit snobbing | 00:35 |
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| jacekowski | they are already there | 00:35 |
| jacekowski | on illegaly | 00:35 |
| lupine_85 | I'm neither Roma nor Irish traveller, but I can sympathize | 00:35 |
| jacekowski | illegaly* | 00:35 |
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| jacekowski | and well, stuff has gone missing | 00:35 |
| lupine_85 | yes, that happens | 00:36 |
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| lupine_85 | cheer up | 00:36 |
| jacekowski | besides, why they are supposed to get houses from my taxes | 00:36 |
| kerio | the 3310 was the one that sold the most | 00:36 |
| jacekowski | but when i want house i have to pay for it myself? | 00:36 |
| SpeedEvil | 3310 is awesome. | 00:37 |
| lcuk | kerio, if only it was on the ovi store | 00:37 |
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| SpeedEvil | Housebuilding in the UK is fucked. | 00:37 |
| lupine_85 | it really is | 00:37 |
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| lcuk | we dont have much room left for houses | 00:37 |
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| kerio | lcuk: hehe | 00:37 |
| SpeedEvil | We either need to build about 5 million houses, or share. | 00:37 |
| kerio | i'd buy a 3310 | 00:37 |
| lupine_85 | travellers camps for the roma is basically another form of council / social housing | 00:37 |
| lcuk | kerio, i just made a point about it in #meego | 00:37 |
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| lcuk | lots of people would | 00:37 |
| lupine_85 | and I'm mostly for it. it has a ghettoization effect but with a culture so different, I'm not sure you can avoid it | 00:38 |
| SpeedEvil | And we need to just fucking stop this 'houses as investment' ideal. | 00:38 |
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| lcuk | a full emulated original style nokia | 00:38 |
| lcuk | on their n900 | 00:38 |
| jacekowski | council / social housing should be gone | 00:38 |
| lcuk | with replacable covers no less! | 00:38 |
| lupine_85 | surprise right-winger | 00:38 |
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| jacekowski | either everybody gets it | 00:38 |
| jacekowski | or nobody | 00:38 |
| lupine_85 | we should nationalize the housing market, yes | 00:38 |
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| lcuk | jacekowski, do you own your house or live with parents? | 00:38 |
| lcuk | or other | 00:38 |
| lupine_85 | in the absence of that (free market, etc) all we can do is subsidize the lower end - safety-netted free-market economy | 00:38 |
| jacekowski | both | 00:38 |
| kerio | lcuk: no, i meant, a physical 3310 | 00:38 |
| lupine_85 | no biggie | 00:39 |
| lcuk | kerio, indeed but for modern generation :) | 00:39 |
| kerio | no, a 3310 | 00:39 |
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| lcuk | hell - a nokia app on the iphone would be awesome | 00:39 |
| kerio | give it a e-ink display | 00:39 |
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| kerio | and a better battery | 00:39 |
| kerio | but leave snake where it is | 00:39 |
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| lcuk | ++ | 00:39 |
| jacekowski | lcuk: i bought a house just to rent it out | 00:39 |
| SpeedEvil | kerio: the nokia 1100 or whatever it's callred isn't actually that far off. | 00:39 |
| jacekowski | lcuk: and get somebody to pay for my mortgage | 00:39 |
| lcuk | jacekowski, the money markets got this way because of things like that | 00:40 |
| kerio | we have a couple of houses | 00:40 |
| kerio | we're actually paying the rent on this one | 00:40 |
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| jacekowski | kerio: imagine that you are paying for somebody elses mortgage | 00:40 |
| kerio | i'm not paying for anything | 00:41 |
| kerio | my parents are | 00:41 |
| kerio | i'm just waiting for my inheritance | 00:41 |
| kerio | :3 | 00:41 |
| lupine_85 | sweet, delicious buy-to-let. grr to broken housing market | 00:41 |
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| jacekowski | no, that's money | 00:41 |
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| lcuk | jacekowski, what happens when your tennant moves out? | 00:42 |
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| jacekowski | then i can still afford to pay for it myself | 00:42 |
| kerio | or he can find another one | 00:42 |
| lcuk | reasonable enough | 00:42 |
| jacekowski | besides, it took me some time to find house | 00:42 |
| kerio | and he'll still have a house anyway | 00:42 |
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| kerio | 2 things are very rarely wrong | 00:43 |
| kerio | buying gold and buying buildings | 00:43 |
| jacekowski | and it's not in a place that people would avoid | 00:43 |
| jacekowski | so i'm not too worried about it being empty for too long time | 00:43 |
| MNZ | have you guys heard of the concept of Perpetual Traveler? | 00:43 |
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| SpeedEvil | The price of housing is butt-fucking large sectors of society. | 00:43 |
| lupine_85 | totally requires additional nationalisation | 00:44 |
| SpeedEvil | Unfortunately, I'm insulated from it, due to inheritance. | 00:44 |
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| lcuk | Nokia is currently the world's largest digital camera manufacturer, as the sales of its camera-equipped mobile phones have exceeded those of any conventional camera manufacturer. | 00:44 |
| lcuk | (from http://funlok.com/index.php/information/1o-interesting-facts-about-nokia.html ) | 00:44 |
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| jacekowski | oO | 00:45 |
| crashanddie | "A number of Dutch colleges are considering legal action against the publisher of a move-in guide for new freshmen, after the company included an ad recruiting students for jobs as online sex workers." | 00:45 |
| jacekowski | what about iCrap? | 00:45 |
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| crashanddie | lcuk: and the quality still fails to beat entry level P&S cameras | 00:45 |
| Arkenoi | http://forum.nuevasync.com/forum/posts/list/562.page | 00:45 |
| jacekowski | crashanddie: my first digital camera wasn't even close to n900 camera | 00:46 |
| jacekowski | 1.5Mpix | 00:46 |
| jacekowski | 4x zoom | 00:46 |
| jacekowski | and sooooooooooooo much noise | 00:46 |
| jacekowski | and long startup time | 00:46 |
| crashanddie | I didn't say first camera from 20 years ago | 00:46 |
| lcuk | the n900 camera is outstanding and has been with me for more occasions than my old dedicated camera | 00:46 |
| lcuk | basically because I have phone all the time | 00:46 |
| jacekowski | that was less than 5 years ago | 00:46 |
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| SpeedEvil | The n900 camera is great - for a phone camera. | 00:47 |
| SpeedEvil | But being in a package 6mm deep, and 12mm across means that certain optical compromises have to be made. | 00:47 |
| lcuk | crashanddie, one thing N900 can do that any P&S device cant really: be upgraded | 00:47 |
| SpeedEvil | Whcih reminds me - I still need to print out a pic. | 00:47 |
| crashanddie | lcuk: eh? | 00:47 |
| lcuk | fcam and the other stuff coming through is unheard of | 00:47 |
| SpeedEvil | lcuk: It really can't. | 00:47 |
| SpeedEvil | lcuk: Oh | 00:47 |
| SpeedEvil | lcuk: I thought you meant hw | 00:47 |
| crashanddie | lcuk: I've had more updates on my LX3 than I've had updates on the N900 | 00:47 |
| SpeedEvil | You can in principle swap out the n900 camera | 00:48 |
| SpeedEvil | for a better one | 00:48 |
| lcuk | hardly P&S? | 00:48 |
| SpeedEvil | that requires finding a better one in the space | 00:48 |
| SpeedEvil | However | 00:48 |
| crashanddie | lcuk: it is a P&S. Prosumer maybe, but P&S nonetheless | 00:48 |
| SpeedEvil | A mugen battery, with a nicer camera module would be interesting. | 00:48 |
| jacekowski | well, it's probably not a camera problem | 00:48 |
| lcuk | crashanddie, the dedicated camera costs £300 | 00:49 |
| jacekowski | but optics problem | 00:49 |
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| lcuk | SpeedEvil, indeed it would | 00:49 |
| crashanddie | jacekowski: same difference | 00:49 |
| lcuk | did you see the n810 mobile conversion mod by the way? | 00:49 |
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| SpeedEvil | lcuk: no. | 00:49 |
| lcuk | awesome thread and attention to detail | 00:49 |
| lcuk | just a mo | 00:49 |
| crashanddie | you can't gather enough photons in such a tiny package | 00:49 |
| lcuk | ill find the thread | 00:49 |
| SpeedEvil | lcuk: I have almost stopped looking at hardware I don't own. | 00:49 |
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| crashanddie | Arkenoi: and you linked to that because? | 00:50 |
| SpeedEvil | lcuk: Simply as it means I have less time to do stuff I do own. | 00:50 |
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| Arkenoi | crashanddie, maybe somebody else has a hint. others do use nuevasync and it works well for them. at least it is more reliable than m.google.com | 00:51 |
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| lcuk | SpeedEvil, | 00:51 |
| lcuk | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=43185&page=2 | 00:51 |
| lcuk | this page has most pictures | 00:51 |
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| lcuk | the guy is converting n810 to phone | 00:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: ping | 00:52 |
| lcuk | added sim card and stuff | 00:52 |
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| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: pong | 00:52 |
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| SpeedEvil | Argh - stupid client. | 00:52 |
| SpeedEvil | pm | 00:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | any luck with post office? | 00:52 |
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| crashanddie | Arkenoi: ah, sorry, didn't realise you had the issue | 00:52 |
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| SpeedEvil | Hmm. | 00:57 |
| SpeedEvil | The n900 price in the UK store is crashing. | 00:57 |
| SpeedEvil | Was 499, then 459, now 389 | 00:57 |
| SpeedEvil | (shop.nokia.co.uk) | 00:57 |
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| lupine_85 | that has dropped a bit | 00:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | duh | 00:58 |
| lupine_85 | I guess they've made their money | 00:58 |
| SpeedEvil | Or they're about to disco itr. | 00:58 |
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| SpeedEvil | Though I'd not expect that quite yet. | 00:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer | N900i :-P | 00:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer | "now with real USB, that lasts" | 00:59 |
| SpeedEvil | n900 mini | 00:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | eeeeew | 01:00 |
| SpeedEvil | It's a joint effort with BMW. It's a n900, with a small engine, and 4 wheels. | 01:00 |
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| pupnik | what's the best way to route my computer audio stream to multiple devices (linux phone, server, laptop) and get synchronized playback? | 01:00 |
| SpeedEvil | It has a Michael Cain ringtone sample. | 01:00 |
| pupnik | heh | 01:01 |
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| jacekowski | pupnik: no way it would be synchronised | 01:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer | pupnik: RTP | 01:02 |
| jacekowski | pupnik: linux can't even sync it if it's on same computer via two different sound cards | 01:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | pupnik: or PA over network | 01:02 |
| pupnik | hmm | 01:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer | pupnik: you should try same internet radio station concurrently on those devices, and probably not expect your own setup to get any better 'sync' | 01:04 |
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| pupnik | nokia has echo-cancellation that can detect a shift in a signal from microphone | 01:06 |
| pupnik | could use the same algorithm to detect skew in different playback devices | 01:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | err, yup | 01:06 |
| jacekowski | but it uses some constants to know delays in hardware | 01:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | something like NTP | 01:06 |
| jacekowski | and it then matches signal from microphone with signal from speakers | 01:07 |
| derf | That stuff is surprisingly difficult to get right. | 01:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | actually it does no assumption at all about delay | 01:07 |
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| jacekowski | you would need rough idea where are you with your delay | 01:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | except it to be in sub second of course | 01:07 |
| jacekowski | and with that amount of buffering it would be hard | 01:07 |
| derf | For example, in most consumer hardware, the microphone and speakers don't run off the same clock. | 01:07 |
| jacekowski | from the other side | 01:08 |
| jacekowski | if you could use one device to add little bit more delay or remove | 01:09 |
| jacekowski | so you don't have to compensate there | 01:09 |
| jacekowski | you just compensate for differences | 01:09 |
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| jacekowski | it would be possible but i'm not sure how stable | 01:09 |
| babsher_ | pupnik: you could use some bluetooth audio service or VLC has brocasting ability | 01:09 |
| babsher_ | i think that vlc will soon be available for maemo | 01:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | based on what? manual tuning is simple, I even did that with 2 CD players which is real fun and usually keeps sync for whole CD | 01:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer | but honestly, what means 'synced' if the 2 devices are e.g 30m distance from each other | 01:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer | for each device the other one appears to be 100ms late | 01:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer | so in sync depends largely on your definition of the requirements | 01:15 |
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| Blafasel | Hi. Just tried to revive my N810 to give my wife a way to listen to music on her trip tomorrow, but Canola won't play anything at all. Any idea what I might try to fix it? | 01:18 |
| SpeedEvil | Do any sounds work? | 01:18 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer: there's no sync in the real world | 01:19 |
| kerio | lrn2relativity | 01:19 |
| Blafasel | It just hangs in the "Now playing" screen, showing no title information. I can go back, but that only works once. As soon as I'm seeing the list of tracks Canola is frozen (can only kill it) | 01:19 |
| Blafasel | SpeedEvil: Do keyboard clicks count? | 01:19 |
| kerio | sync has no meaning | 01:19 |
| jacekowski | flash it | 01:20 |
| Blafasel | SpeedEvil: Media player plays mp3s just fine, yes. | 01:21 |
| SpeedEvil | ah | 01:21 |
| Blafasel | Canola hangs at the same files.. =( | 01:21 |
| SpeedEvil | umm - if media player plays what's the problem | 01:21 |
| SpeedEvil | remove and reinstall canola? | 01:21 |
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| Blafasel | The problem is that media player sucks and she's going to have trouble using that. | 01:22 |
| SpeedEvil | ah | 01:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | for me canola sucks and I don't get how to operate it, but de gustibus... | 01:23 |
| Blafasel | Heh | 01:23 |
| Blafasel | It's the single most useful app on maemo for me.. Love the UI | 01:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah, greedy UI that doesn't even allow to go to homescreen | 01:24 |
| Blafasel | Hm? Not? Pressing the home button works for me? | 01:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer | there's no home button on N900 | 01:25 |
| Blafasel | Ah.. | 01:25 |
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| Blafasel | Did they update Canola for the N900? | 01:25 |
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| Blafasel | Or are we talking about the "Who could've guessed that the button might be missing in the future" version I have? | 01:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | so screw that candy UI that doesn't follow standards | 01:26 |
| nox- | moin | 01:26 |
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| lcuk | GeneralAntilles, GAN900 http://www.phun.org/newspics/funny_friday/4808.jpg | 02:17 |
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| lcuk | b-man`, do you still have your ubuntu build you once did | 02:22 |
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| pupnik | 01:02 <+pupnik> it's rather difficult to end a tyrannical government | 02:22 |
| pupnik | 01:20 < torment> they should have an app for that | 02:23 |
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| lcuk | pupnik, normal chans for you i see | 02:28 |
| * lcuk digs into source | 02:28 | |
| pupnik | i thought it was funny | 02:28 |
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| teilzeitstudent | probably a stupid question, but... is the extra microsd card supposed to be accessible via usb? | 02:29 |
| lcuk | well its standard answer to everthing | 02:29 |
| lcuk | teilzeitstudent, i believe so | 02:29 |
| lcuk | since n900 offers 2 devices when i plug it in | 02:29 |
| lcuk | err drives | 02:29 |
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| teilzeitstudent | well under windows i get 2 drives as well... under linux only one | 02:29 |
| teilzeitstudent | but both get unmounted on the device | 02:29 |
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| lcuk | teilzeitstudent, i don't think the n900 can distinguish host os side | 02:30 |
| lcuk | so it offers both | 02:30 |
| lcuk | and normally i think both are available in linux | 02:30 |
| lcuk | but that will depend on the config | 02:30 |
| * lcuk checks ubuntu | 02:30 | |
| lcuk | /media/nokia n900 | 02:31 |
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| lcuk | /media/043a-b1a4 | 02:32 |
| lcuk | both available (strange name tho) | 02:32 |
| teilzeitstudent | mh. I only get the /media/nokia n900 | 02:32 |
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| teilzeitstudent | do you have a microsd in your phone? under windows i always get 2 new drives, even when i do not even select storage or pc suite mode | 02:33 |
| lcuk | teilzeitstudent, unplug usb | 02:34 |
| lcuk | and check in file manager | 02:34 |
| lcuk | whether both show up | 02:34 |
| teilzeitstudent | they do.. in mount they are both listed. | 02:34 |
| lcuk | i didnt ask in mount | 02:34 |
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| teilzeitstudent | that mount was additional info. both internal and card show up when unplugged | 02:34 |
| lcuk | dunno then, which linux are you using | 02:35 |
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| teilzeitstudent | gentoo. either i forgot to include some kernel config, a udev rule is missing or gnome messes up. | 02:36 |
| lcuk | teilzeitstudent, check dmesg or equiv and see what it says, but you are likely right | 02:37 |
| teilzeitstudent | could you do a "cat /usr/src/linux/.config | grep -i usb" and post the output to pastebin? | 02:38 |
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| teilzeitstudent | ah nvm. too much info on std kernels i guess. | 02:38 |
| teilzeitstudent | ah well thanks, i'm off to happy kernel compiling :p | 02:39 |
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| zeltak | hya DocScrutinizer and lcuk ..well 2 days without runing any game emulation apps and zero reboots.... | 02:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer | hmm, hat's new in that? | 02:43 |
| nox- | ah your flash is ok now? | 02:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer | oh, the 'borked' flash | 02:44 |
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| lcuk | zeltak, thats ok for a start | 02:45 |
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| MNZ | Dr. House is such a bastard | 02:51 |
| zeltak | yeah DocScrutinizer the borked flash :) | 02:51 |
| zeltak | so am wondering if i should test it somemore since if the flash is really borked i might as well get it replaced while the warrenty is still active | 02:52 |
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| lcuk | zeltak, if its working when you return it what can they do | 03:00 |
| lcuk | mnz hes not that bad | 03:01 |
| MNZ | lcuk, he is a complete and utter bastard, with intermittent bursts of ethics. Quite entertaining though | 03:02 |
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| zeltak | lcuk: what do you mean? if the flash memory has bad sectors arent they obliged to replace it? | 03:03 |
| lcuk | DocScrutinizer, are the plugins for xchat easy to write | 03:03 |
| SpeedEvil | zeltak: no | 03:04 |
| lcuk | zeltak, i dont know anything about warranties except for when i returned computer stuff years ago | 03:04 |
| SpeedEvil | How borked do you mean? | 03:04 |
| lcuk | and my motherboard worked for them and they charged me a restocking fee | 03:04 |
| SpeedEvil | Bad blocks in ubifs are normal | 03:04 |
| zeltak | ubifs? SpeedEvil: i only get errors when i run game emulators | 03:06 |
| zeltak | SpeedEvil: http://pastebin.ca/1929149 | 03:06 |
| SpeedEvil | Are you overclocking? | 03:07 |
| nox- | grr why is ff so slow with big(ish) pastebins | 03:07 |
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| zeltak | SpeedEvil: no and never did | 03:08 |
| SpeedEvil | Ok - that's a clear HW error IMO | 03:08 |
| SpeedEvil | But. | 03:08 |
| SpeedEvil | You need ideally some way to provoke that in normal use. | 03:08 |
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| zeltak | thats the thing SpeedEvil it only happens when runing games in the snes emulator (so far..) | 03:09 |
| SpeedEvil | umm | 03:10 |
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| SpeedEvil | does dd if=/dev/mmcblk0 of=/dev/zero error too? | 03:10 |
| SpeedEvil | - it will take a coupler of hours | 03:10 |
| SpeedEvil | couple | 03:10 |
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| zeltak | yeah did that (maxed out a 4gb) with no errors | 03:11 |
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| SpeedEvil | ewww. | 03:11 |
| SpeedEvil | (should not max out) | 03:12 |
| SpeedEvil | oh | 03:12 |
| SpeedEvil | hmm. | 03:12 |
| SpeedEvil | you could install gnu dd - I forget the package | 03:12 |
| zeltak | isnt there a 4gb max per file on fat32? | 03:12 |
| zeltak | im guessing the emmc is fat32 right? | 03:12 |
| SpeedEvil | yes - that's irrelevant if it's the underlying devcie | 03:12 |
| SpeedEvil | no | 03:12 |
| SpeedEvil | the emmc is a block device | 03:12 |
| SpeedEvil | It has 4 partitions, one of which is vfat | 03:12 |
| zeltak | ahhh i see | 03:13 |
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| zeltak | so when the error is on mmcblk0 what partition is it? | 03:13 |
| SpeedEvil | the kernel reports the read error | 03:14 |
| SpeedEvil | It doesn't report what the device it's on is. | 03:14 |
| zeltak | its so wierd it only happens under emulator games..normal games (angry birds etc..work fine..) | 03:15 |
| SpeedEvil | Well - it may be that where the games are installed has block errors | 03:15 |
| zeltak | mmmm...you mean the roms or the actuall game binaries? | 03:16 |
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| SpeedEvil | yes | 03:16 |
| zeltak | yes which one lol? | 03:16 |
| SpeedEvil | either | 03:17 |
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| zeltak | ahh i see :) but i reflashes twice and still had same issue..how can the binary files be written again to the exact same place.. | 03:18 |
| SpeedEvil | After this happens - can you acccess any files on the mmc? | 03:19 |
| nox- | i wonder if the emulator(s?) do something not kosher... | 03:19 |
| SpeedEvil | Umm. | 03:19 |
| SpeedEvil | It's not impossible. | 03:19 |
| SpeedEvil | It shouldn't be screwing with anything that will cause that sort of errors though | 03:20 |
| SpeedEvil | Also - insrtall syslog | 03:20 |
| zeltak | SpeedEvil: well when it happens the machine reboots but after that things are back to normal | 03:20 |
| SpeedEvil | are the block numbers always the same | 03:20 |
| zeltak | SpeedEvil: the errors you saw were from the syslog | 03:21 |
| SpeedEvil | I mean - are the block numbers constant | 03:21 |
| zeltak | ahhh dunno ill have to install the emulator agian..ill do that later today :) | 03:22 |
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| lolcat | Hello | 03:46 |
| lolcat | How to synch with google calendar?! | 03:46 |
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| asj | lolcat: mfe | 03:48 |
| lolcat | mfe? | 03:48 |
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| zeltak | lolcat: mail for exchange | 03:53 |
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| lolcat | oo | 03:58 |
| lolcat | but google != exchange | 03:58 |
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| zeltak | guys..out of curiosity which folders do you backup (.config, /home/user etc..)? | 04:04 |
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| lolcat | zeltak: I dont | 04:16 |
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| pyther | Where there a whole bunch of updates for maemo released today? | 04:44 |
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| pyther | The application manager says there are no updates but if I do apt-get upgrade there are about 41 libraries that need to be upgraded. What should I do? | 04:46 |
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| pyther | SpeedEvil: ping | 05:04 |
| SpeedEvil | ? | 05:06 |
| pyther | should I upgrade libraries using apt-get upgrade? | 05:07 |
| pyther | or is that a bad idea? | 05:07 |
| mortini | SpeedEvil: only since the epoch? | 05:07 |
| mortini | you were born on the epoch? | 05:07 |
| mortini | If you were, that'd be epic. | 05:07 |
| mortini | epic epoch. | 05:07 |
| SpeedEvil | No. | 05:08 |
| SpeedEvil | I was just irritated by pebs silly enter message. | 05:08 |
| mortini | i am date +%s old. | 05:08 |
| mortini | I figured. | 05:08 |
| mortini | But my sarcasm knows no bounds. | 05:09 |
| mortini | Because, surely, somewhere, there's a geek with that birthday? | 05:09 |
| mortini | Damn, if i had that birthday | 05:09 |
| luke-jr | … | 05:09 |
| SpeedEvil | I'm too young. | 05:09 |
| mortini | On my resume, that'd be the #1 item. | 05:09 |
| luke-jr | 1283393393 doesn't parse as a birthday | 05:09 |
| mortini | I was born on the Epoch, mofo! | 05:09 |
| mortini | luke-jr: lrn2format | 05:09 |
| mortini | SpeedEvil: me too. | 05:09 |
| luke-jr | mortini: no u | 05:09 |
| mortini | but, still. | 05:09 |
| * nox- was born a few yrs before the epoch... | 05:10 | |
| luke-jr | mortini: POSIX date gives seconds for +%s | 05:10 |
| nox- | :) | 05:10 |
| luke-jr | also, you suck | 05:10 |
| luke-jr | ☺ | 05:10 |
| pyther | Should I upgrade libraries using apt-get update? | 05:11 |
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| luke-jr | pyther: no, you should install Gentoo and use emerge | 05:11 |
| mortini | luke-jr: who, me or nox-? | 05:11 |
| luke-jr | mortini: you | 05:11 |
| mortini | thanks! | 05:11 |
| pyther | luke-jr: well I figure gentoo on the N900 would be painful :P | 05:12 |
| mortini | sadly, i can't use date to parse +%s output | 05:12 |
| luke-jr | pyther: you figure wrong | 05:12 |
| mortini | And i don't care to do anything more complex. | 05:12 |
| luke-jr | I telnet to lambda.moo.mud.org port 8888 and eval ;ctime(1283393393) | 05:13 |
| mortini | oh, it could be done, i'm sure, with python or perl | 05:13 |
| luke-jr | sure | 05:13 |
| mortini | but, doing really awkward things in shell scripts is awesome | 05:13 |
| mortini | i once wrote a perl script that generated a shell script that generated c that generated asm | 05:14 |
| mortini | I'm trying to break my habit of the 2000 line shell script, though | 05:14 |
| pyther | luke-jr: really though I'm looking for a serious answer, why do I have libraries that can be upgraded? Is it because of extra-devel? If so, why are they in extra-devel? | 05:15 |
| luke-jr | alias ctime='perl -e "use POSIX \"ctime\";print ctime @ARGV"' | 05:15 |
| luke-jr | pyther: why wouldn't you/ | 05:15 |
| pyther | luke-jr: why wouldn't I what? | 05:16 |
| pyther | the don't show up in ham (I think that in Maemo's gui package manager) | 05:17 |
| luke-jr | why wouldn't you have libraries that can be upgraded? | 05:17 |
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| pyther | luke-jr: well if I understand your question, typically if you have libraries that need to be upgraded that means your system isn't up-to-date | 05:18 |
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| * ToGgG__son AcInDiGo ♪ .. A. K. VvVoOo ♪ /!\ | 06:48 | |
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| * ToGgG__son sorry for this mais .... obligé car elle chante la vie et la mort est la mais ne la cherchez pas ! http://keny-arkana.com/desobeissance/ | 07:00 | |
| mortini | no habla espanol | 07:01 |
| ToGgG__son | l'autorité a été tuée .... ils n'ont pas bien gardé la boite en cristal :s quel dommage du coup tout le monde tous les mondes en ont profité.. | 07:01 |
| ToGgG__son | sorry for french, they killed Gods and the pandora cristal box is open, and money to money time to time time is money money is time and all people of the world has won money with our times.... | 07:03 |
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| mortini | ToGgG__son: and surely that bizarre statement is worthy of much spam. | 07:06 |
| johnx | mortini, ever notice that spam is becoming increasingly surreal? | 07:07 |
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| johnx | I mean, eventually my spam filter will actually become a surreality filter and I'll never be able to communicate with creators of modern art ... | 07:07 |
| ToGgG__son | please down this ... it's a shit of france la-defense.fr.Epiknet.org (195.225.204.22) port 6667 servers ... /map and links ... but be carefull it's an unrealepik irc Daemon | 07:07 |
| mortini | johnx: eh, noticed this for ~10 years now. it's a signal/noise ratio thing. more noise makes it difficult to detect | 07:08 |
| johnx | yeah, but the signal/noise ratio is getting so high in spam these days that even I can't properly understand what they're trying to sell a lot of the time | 07:09 |
| johnx | ToGgG__son, please go away now. kthxbye | 07:09 |
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| ToGgG__son | I can't | 07:11 |
| ToGgG__son | because no meds for me | 07:11 |
| ToGgG__son | because alcoohol :s | 07:11 |
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| Stskeeps | morn ClaesBas | 07:55 |
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| yoyoyo | where is the best place to buy a n900 battery, and what is the best way to charge it? | 08:21 |
| yoyoyo | I'd like to have a backup with me | 08:21 |
| Stskeeps | yoyoyo: any given nokia shop i guess | 08:22 |
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| yoyoyo | also, I've been finding random chargers with microUSBs - some of them work - is this dangerous? | 08:22 |
| yoyoyo | Stskeeps: ebay? | 08:22 |
| yoyoyo | they're like 5$... | 08:22 |
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| cehteh | shouldnt be too dangerous | 08:23 |
| cehteh | well ebay isnt really trustworthy .. | 08:23 |
| cehteh | and these are prolly not very energy efficient or well regulated | 08:23 |
| yoyoyo | hmm | 08:24 |
| cehteh | better spend $15 and get a proper one | 08:24 |
| yoyoyo | is there one with a number or lable that I should get on ebay? | 08:24 |
| yoyoyo | what about these stand alone chargers on ebay? | 08:24 |
| yoyoyo | that just charge the battery? | 08:24 |
| cehteh | microusb charging is actually standardized .. but some ignore the standard | 08:24 |
| yoyoyo | yeah, one didnt work, but two did | 08:25 |
| cehteh | well at worst it can blow the battery ... so get a $5 battery with them | 08:25 |
| luke-jr | yoyoyo: cmon, buying a battery used is just stupid… | 08:25 |
| yoyoyo | luke-jr, most are new on there | 08:25 |
| yoyoyo | even the 4$ ones | 08:25 |
| luke-jr | yoyoyo: bet they're fake | 08:25 |
| cehteh | if it doesnt blow a cheap battery then a quality battery should sustain it too :) | 08:25 |
| luke-jr | cehteh: erm, no | 08:25 |
| luke-jr | at worst it fries the N900 | 08:26 |
| cehteh | luke-jr: i got a reasonable one for 10 euros | 08:26 |
| cehteh | luke-jr: the standalone battery chargers | 08:26 |
| luke-jr | oh | 08:26 |
| luke-jr | worst case for those is an explosion I guess | 08:26 |
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| cehteh | yeah | 08:26 |
| cehteh | but well .. rarely happens | 08:26 |
| yoyoyo | cehteh, one to recommend? | 08:26 |
| luke-jr | but someone would be a real fool to try to sell an exploding charger IMO | 08:26 |
| cehteh | i'd expect less charge from a cheap battery and more wear | 08:27 |
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| cehteh | while the cheap one (i use it really rarely, one or two times already) isnt that shabby | 08:27 |
| cehteh | just dont buy the cheapest 3$ battery | 08:27 |
| luke-jr | yoyoyo: FYI, fake Nokia batteries are common | 08:27 |
| luke-jr | yoyoyo: and not even Nokia can tell the difference sometimes | 08:28 |
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| luke-jr | without taking it apart, I mean | 08:28 |
| cehteh | i think best are replacment batteries which are $10-20 and dont try to be fake nokia but clearly state that they are replacement ones | 08:29 |
| cehteh | (trying pagarism for packaging and all costs little bit more and doesnt need the vendor to get some credentibility) | 08:29 |
| * luke-jr wonders if there's any brand name for replacement Nokia-compatible batteries… | 08:29 | |
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| cehteh | this one i have here is X-Power 'for 5800' | 08:30 |
| cehteh | it gets recognized with about the same charge than the normal one and maybe lasts 80-90% as the new one | 08:31 |
| cehteh | while my original one shows already signs of wear after half a year constant abuse | 08:31 |
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| luke-jr | cehteh: wait, it lasts 80-90% after how long? | 08:32 |
| luke-jr | you saying it's *better*? | 08:32 |
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| cehteh | as i saied i only used it a few times yet, sometimes batteries improve after the first few charge cycles and i cant really measure it because i use it when i am on the run ... different load settings | 08:33 |
| yoyoyo | so ebay, or where is the place tob uy | 08:33 |
| cehteh | from my feeling its seems to be about the same or just slightly worse .. | 08:33 |
| * cehteh got his one from a local cheap mobile repair/acessory/whatever shop here in the city | 08:34 | |
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| yoyoyo | http://cgi.ebay.com/Nokia-5230-Nuron-5800-N900-Battery-Desktop-Charger-/320583506031?pt=PDA_Accessories&hash=item4aa444186f | 08:36 |
| yoyoyo | whadya think? | 08:36 |
| cehteh | dont | 08:37 |
| cehteh | Multiple voltage output DC 4.2V 350mA ¡ª ¡À50mA USB 5.2Vd.c. 800mA | 08:37 |
| cehteh | .. the n900 wants up to 1.5A | 08:38 |
| cehteh | and iirc usb 5V are very tight specified not 4.2 and not 5.2V .. the n900 will prolly survive that but its not enough for charging | 08:38 |
| cehteh | and i bet the battery plugged directly on it wont get charged with more | 08:39 |
| cehteh | also it looks bulky, prolly an old transformer in it and not well regulated | 08:39 |
| yoyoyo | that's for the charger not the battery i think | 08:39 |
| cehteh | well .. its your n900 and your battery | 08:40 |
| cehteh | liion batteries damaged easily (wearing out) when they get overcharged, no danger unless you do that excessively but they loose capacity | 08:41 |
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| DocScrutinizer | yo | 08:52 |
| yoyoyo | well if you cant paste me a product cehteh, i'll consider it - thanks | 08:53 |
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| GNUtoo|laptop | DocScrutinizer, hi, on the openmoko mailing list someone said meego will be fully free, does it means it's like AOSP, or will it be capable of running on the device? | 08:55 |
| Stskeeps | how do you define 'free'? | 08:55 |
| GNUtoo|laptop | FLOSS | 08:56 |
| GNUtoo|laptop | aka free as in freedom, fsf definition | 08:56 |
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| GNUtoo|laptop | (freedom to copy,modify etc...) | 08:57 |
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| DocScrutinizer | mail is down atm, sorry. Me's not up, sorry. And what's AOSP? | 08:58 |
| GNUtoo|laptop | android open source project | 08:59 |
| GNUtoo|laptop | basically they use a trick | 08:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | please read om-cdevel logs, I pasted ref to some meego src for you convenience | 08:59 |
| GNUtoo|laptop | ok | 08:59 |
| GNUtoo|laptop | the trick is the following: | 09:00 |
| GNUtoo|laptop | AOSP is hosted on android.kernel.org | 09:00 |
| GNUtoo|laptop | AOSP is fully free but not complete | 09:00 |
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| GNUtoo|laptop | for instance no gps,camera,telephony,audio libs for the devices are present | 09:00 |
| Stskeeps | GNUtoo|laptop: well, for the n900 we will have battery management, sgx, wifi firmware and bt firmware as redistributable blobs. there are bits and pieces in meego that due to compliance (meego trademark) is restricted, but nothing stops you from replacing with your own | 09:01 |
| Stskeeps | rest is open source, gplv2, lgpl, bsd, mit, etc. | 09:01 |
| GNUtoo|laptop | wow only that? | 09:01 |
| Stskeeps | we'll have open telephony stack | 09:01 |
| GNUtoo|laptop | voice calls will work? | 09:01 |
| Stskeeps | (that already works) | 09:01 |
| Stskeeps | just not integrated yet | 09:02 |
| GNUtoo|laptop | ah ok | 09:02 |
| GNUtoo|laptop | battery can be replaced by a script | 09:02 |
| GNUtoo|laptop | 3d can be avoided | 09:02 |
| Stskeeps | not for UI | 09:02 |
| GNUtoo|laptop | firmwares are firmwares | 09:02 |
| luke-jr | Stskeeps: wait | 09:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | please refer to the URLs I posted for you in #openmoko-cdevel last night | 09:02 |
| GNUtoo|laptop | I'll change the UI then | 09:02 |
| luke-jr | when did the firmwares get redistributable? | 09:02 |
| GNUtoo|laptop | ok | 09:02 |
| GNUtoo|laptop | I'll do | 09:02 |
| Stskeeps | luke-jr: we're working on those atm | 09:02 |
| Stskeeps | GNUtoo|laptop: kernel is fully open source | 09:02 |
| Stskeeps | GNUtoo|laptop: well, if you want to have a crippled UI, your choice.. | 09:03 |
| luke-jr | GNUtoo|laptop: the UI requires GLES accel | 09:03 |
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| GNUtoo|laptop | I'll use illume then | 09:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | 668 * Sends an UL frame using SSI audio interface 'sal'. | 09:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://meego.gitorious.org/maemo-multimedia/pulseaudio-modules-meego/blobs/master/src/cmtspeech/cmtspeech-connection.c | 09:04 |
| GNUtoo|laptop | http://meego.gitorious.org/maemo-multimedia/pulseaudio-modules-meego/blobs/master/src/cmtspeech/cmtspeech-connection.c | 09:04 |
| luke-jr | GNUtoo|laptop: any interest in helping with the Gentoo port? :P | 09:04 |
| GNUtoo|laptop | nice!!!! | 09:04 |
| GNUtoo|laptop | luke-jr, unfortunately no | 09:04 |
| GNUtoo|laptop | but I think I'll help with SHR port | 09:04 |
| GNUtoo|laptop | which may help the gentoo port indirectly | 09:05 |
| luke-jr | wasn't aware SHR was porting | 09:05 |
| luke-jr | GNUtoo|laptop: more likely the inverse IMO | 09:05 |
| luke-jr | :p | 09:05 |
| GNUtoo|laptop | ok | 09:05 |
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| GNUtoo|laptop | morphis will be disapointed I bet | 09:06 |
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| Stskeeps | .. i don't see why bother with shr, personally | 09:08 |
| rmrfchik | hrw|gone: ping | 09:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer | because SHR doesn't use tracker :-P | 09:09 |
| Stskeeps | point | 09:09 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 09:09 |
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| * ToGgG__son Mozart - Eine kleine Nachtmusik K. 525 - Romance: Andante | 09:12 | |
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| rmrfchik | does anyone here know hrw's email? | 09:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ToGgG__son: ping me when you *really* got something to contribute | 09:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer | johnx: he hardly passes turing test | 09:14 |
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| jpinx-eeepc | DocScrutinizer: got the N900 all working now, but how can i force it to use specific wifi connections - it seems to randomly pick one | 09:15 |
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| GNUtoo|laptop | I'll go bye | 09:16 |
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| johnx | jpinx-eeepc, could you be a bit more specific? | 09:16 |
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| jpinx-eeepc | johnx: I have it set to use wifi, I really don't waant to use the mobile network at all | 09:17 |
| jpinx-eeepc | I have several wap's here and I created accounts for them all | 09:17 |
| jpinx-eeepc | now when I select a url in the browser it seems to just take any of those in no specific order | 09:18 |
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| johnx | yes. it will pick a wifi network, maybe by whichever it finds first or maybe by signal strength at that second | 09:18 |
| johnx | then it won't roam unless it completely loses connection with the first | 09:18 |
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| jpinx-eeepc | johnx: is tthere no way I can force it into one WAP rather than another? | 09:19 |
| johnx | heh, looks like ToGgG__son's brain exploded all over his keyboard | 09:19 |
| jpinx-eeepc | apart from disabling the WAP account | 09:20 |
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| johnx | jpinx-eeepc, you can pick one manually each time | 09:20 |
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| jpinx-eeepc | johnx: that's the function I can't find ;) | 09:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | "always ask" I guess | 09:20 |
| johnx | click the status bar, click internet connection, click the network you want | 09:21 |
| jpinx-eeepc | DocScrutinizer: it's on always ask | 09:21 |
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| jpinx-eeepc | johnx: status bar? you mean across the top of the browser? | 09:22 |
| johnx | nah, the clock/battery icon area | 09:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | the clock, colloq | 09:23 |
| jpinx-eeepc | clock? | 09:23 |
| jpinx-eeepc | ah - silly me | 09:23 |
| johnx | the thing that tells time | 09:23 |
| jpinx-eeepc | thanks johnx DocScrutinizer :) | 09:23 |
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| johnx | wow, it must have been really frustrating to not have access to all that stuff in there :) | 09:24 |
| jpinx-eeepc | apart from having to put my fingertips into a pencil sharpener - it's an awesome beastie - now going to install pidgin if I can | 09:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-D | 09:24 |
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| johnx | before you install pidgin, you might want to look at the set of plugins that add functionality to the built-in IM client | 09:25 |
| jpinx-eeepc | and maybe play with the debian in a chroot thingie | 09:25 |
| jpinx-eeepc | johnx: oh- ok | 09:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | o.O | 09:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | imteresting advice | 09:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | easy-deb instea of pidgin :-P | 09:26 |
| johnx | DocScrutinizer, what? | 09:26 |
| jpinx-eeepc | basically I was going to mees in the chroot and see if something like bitlbee will run in that and connect to irssi running in the native os | 09:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | nevermind | 09:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | passive ETAB | 09:27 |
| jpinx-eeepc | sorry - I said pidgin - I meant bitlbee | 09:27 |
| crashanddie | DocScrutinizer: first results off google for "instea": Menstrual Cups, Period Products, Feminine & Menstruation Products | 09:27 |
| * DocScrutinizer throws a bagful of * and ? at crashanddie | 09:28 | |
| DocScrutinizer | use them wisely | 09:28 |
| Corsac | is there some “wtf” available? | 09:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~wtf wtf | 09:30 |
| infobot | WTF: {what,where,who,why} the fuck | 09:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ~xyawn | 09:31 |
| infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, xyawn is nice coffee | 09:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer | mh, the nice one is out, bye | 09:32 |
| Corsac | ~wtf DocScrutinizer | 09:32 |
| infobot | Gee... I don't know what DocScrutinizer means... | 09:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer | noob | 09:32 |
| Corsac | ~wtf the fuck that | 09:33 |
| bince | maemo-sdk-installer.py not working with ubuntu 10 | 09:33 |
| infobot | usage: wtf <foo>. | 09:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~ DocScrutinizer51 | 09:33 |
| bince | ??? | 09:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~ DocScrutinizer | 09:33 |
| infobot | i heard docscrutinizer is jOERG, a HW-developer and engineer of Openmoko | 09:33 |
| Corsac | peft | 09:33 |
| Corsac | ~wtf "the fuck that" | 09:33 |
| infobot | usage: wtf <foo>. | 09:33 |
| Corsac | ~wtf the%20fuck%20that | 09:33 |
| infobot | usage: wtf <foo>. | 09:33 |
| * Corsac cries | 09:33 | |
| DocScrutinizer | ~redhat Corsac | 09:34 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ~debian Corsac | 09:34 |
| * infobot tells Corsac to RTFM!!!! GAH!!! HELL FIRE AND BRIMSTONE!!!! BURN!!! DIE!!! MWAHAHAHAHA!!!! | 09:34 | |
| bince | any one knws y the maemo-sdk-installer.py is not working with ubuntu 10 ??? | 09:35 |
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| DocScrutinizer | btw... | 09:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: is there any particular rationale why Nokia 'proprietary' stuff now opened up for meego still remains closed for maemo? | 09:47 |
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| jpinx-eeepc | will a usb keyboard work? | 09:50 |
| Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: i think it's more of a practical concern.. in the release process nokia employs i doubt there's chance to have some of the more seperating patches to be approved as changes | 09:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer | :-( | 09:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | but thanks for the answer :-) | 09:51 |
| Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: and the traditional way to release sources is through the sdk releases which follow device contents.. | 09:52 |
| Stskeeps | the other side is that sometimes modifications/refactoring is needed to satisfy legal concerns | 09:52 |
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| johnx | jpinx-eeepc, someone was working on USB host, but it would require flashing a new kernel I believe | 09:53 |
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| Stskeeps | at the cost of not opening source at all if not done, i think it's fair to do it this way :P | 09:53 |
| jpinx-eeepc | ijjoHHHHHjo | 09:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm, still I don't completely get it when hildon-desktop, multimedia etc are on gitorious.org but not on mxr | 09:53 |
| jpinx-eeepc | johnx: just reading thea | 09:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | while (C) clearly says Nokia | 09:53 |
| jpinx-eeepc | that now | 09:53 |
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| jpinx-eeepc | Ooops, sorry for the brainfarts there | 09:54 |
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| DocScrutinizer | johnx: hostmode still WIP and a PoC at best | 09:54 |
| Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: report a bug | 09:54 |
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| johnx | wow, that looks a little crazier than host on the N800 | 09:58 |
| johnx | but thankfully not as crazy as on the 770 | 09:58 |
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| Corsac | bwarf, ovi files shutting down | 09:59 |
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| johnx | bummer | 10:00 |
| johnx | but that's why I pay for a xen slice on a fast connection :) | 10:00 |
| cehteh | still no one made a scp sharing plugin :P | 10:02 |
| johnx | yeah, but I just use sshfs | 10:02 |
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| johnx | scp would be pretty neat though | 10:03 |
| cehteh | me too | 10:03 |
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| cehteh | but a sharing api frontend for scp or rsync would be nice | 10:03 |
| johnx | especially if it did the full-on avahi broadcast to find local ssh servers | 10:03 |
| cehteh | lol | 10:03 |
| johnx | you laugh, but ubuntu seems to be doing it | 10:04 |
| * johnx verifies before he looks silly | 10:04 | |
| cehteh | i dont use buntu | 10:04 |
| cehteh | but well .. sounds reasonable for them | 10:04 |
| johnx | maybe I should have s/ubuntu/nautilus/ | 10:05 |
| * DocScrutinizer scratches head, sips coffee, and wonders where he lost the thread | 10:05 | |
| johnx | but of course now I don't see it happening ... | 10:05 |
| johnx | DocScrutinizer, avahi (aka bonjour aka zeroconf aka mdns) is a neat way of discovering services available on the local network | 10:06 |
| cehteh | so you search for all sshd's and try to login, just in case the user isnt sure :P | 10:06 |
| johnx | you can use it to 'advertise' pretty much any service, AFAICT | 10:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | I hate it, regardless of wondering how it's related | 10:06 |
| cehteh | hehe i hate it too | 10:06 |
| luke-jr | me too | 10:06 |
| luke-jr | what are we hatin? | 10:07 |
| cehteh | you | 10:07 |
| johnx | cehteh, I actually picture the use-case as being at a convention and being able to send files quickly to another user on the local wifi network | 10:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | avahi | 10:07 |
| luke-jr | o i c | 10:07 |
| johnx | I like it well enough when it works | 10:07 |
| cehteh | johnx: not ssh then | 10:07 |
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| cehteh | publishing a rsyncd may make sense | 10:07 |
| johnx | yeah, you have a point | 10:07 |
| johnx | shell access is overkill | 10:07 |
| johnx | the bluetooth-wifi hybrid looked nicest, IMHO, but I don't know what it would take to implement or whether it's somehow hardware dependent | 10:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | johnx: wasn't that what obex push was all about? | 10:08 |
| johnx | DocScrutinizer, exactly, but bluetooth is a bit slow | 10:09 |
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| DocScrutinizer | bah, obex is transport agnostic aiui | 10:09 |
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| jpinx-eeepc | I can't get the bluetooth running in my eeepc or I could use that to ssh in and admin the n900 | 10:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer | there's been obex over irda, obex over bt, and I don't see why obex over wlan should work any different | 10:11 |
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| johnx | you mean, like obex over IP or obex over the wifi 'physical' layer? | 10:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | obex over IP obviously | 10:12 |
| johnx | ah, well then I can tell you why it would work differently ... | 10:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | sorry, not yet completely on nominal RPM, wetwarewise | 10:13 |
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| johnx | but I think I have seen obex over IP. I just don't know about the 'discovery' phase. I guess just broadcast ... | 10:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | what's tha p2p mode on wifi called? (burp, wish the coffe would kick in) | 10:15 |
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| flux | docscrutinizer, ad-hoc? | 10:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep | 10:16 |
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| hrw|gone | RST38h: MYFIRSTNAME@MYSURNAME.com.pl | 10:18 |
| hrw|gone | rmrfchik: MYFIRSTNAME@MYSURNAME.com.pl | 10:19 |
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| hrw | sorry RST38h | 10:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | maybe would need a bit lowlevel, as for IP addr aren't exactly trivial on ad-hoc aiui (meh, prolly that's the point where avahi came in here), but other than that little inconvenience adhoc seems quite siuted for obex | 10:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | hrw: you're triggering my spambot alarms | 10:19 |
| johnx | commonly, devices use a link-local IP when on ad-hoc without a dhcp server | 10:20 |
| RST38h | moo hrw | 10:20 |
| johnx | but I think it's bigger than a /24 | 10:20 |
| hrw | DocScrutinizer: thats problem of your spambot | 10:20 |
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| RST38h | heya johnx, Doc | 10:20 |
| johnx | mornin' RST38h :D | 10:20 |
| johnx | heard you were coming out here to visit | 10:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | moo RST38h | 10:21 |
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| rmrfchik | hrw: ok, and what your names? ;) | 10:21 |
| hrw | rmrfchik: that part is left for you | 10:21 |
| hrw | rmrfchik: there are many ways of checking it | 10:21 |
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| johnx | I think his full name is "HUMAN RIGHTS WATCH" | 10:22 |
| hrw | rmrfchik: took me <minute to do google search using my nickname + keyword related to this irc channel. | 10:22 |
| rmrfchik | whois much faster | 10:23 |
| hrw | thats the simplest way | 10:23 |
| hrw | rmrfchik: but why you need my email? | 10:23 |
| * DocScrutinizer sighs | 10:23 | |
| rmrfchik | hrw: well, this part of puzzle I left to you ;) | 10:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Isn't it quite funny how freenet manages to use up 40% of the transatlantic datacables' capacity, by connecting vast majority of european users to US located servers like brown.freenode.net in Wisconsin or card.freenode.net, while US and australian users generally connect to kornbluth.freenode.net located in FRA | 10:28 |
| Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: it's because of all the stupid clients going to the central pool | 10:29 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 10:29 |
| Stskeeps | or non-geo locating dns | 10:29 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, ur just makin that up. what do u know about IRC? | 10:29 |
| * johnx runs | 10:29 | |
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| Stskeeps | johnx: it's all been erased | 10:30 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 10:30 |
| jacekowski | i'm connected to jordan.freenode.net | 10:30 |
| jacekowski | but i've got no idea where is it | 10:30 |
| johnx | (that was really hard. I kept mistyping ur ...) | 10:30 |
| jacekowski | hmmm | 10:30 |
| jacekowski | http://wwwapps.ups.com/tracking/tracking.cgi?tracknum=1Z5674326614790278 | 10:30 |
| jacekowski | WTF? | 10:30 |
| ieatlint | i doubt freenode users account for a measurable fraction of bandwidth use across the transatlantic tubes | 10:31 |
| ebzzry | When composing an SMS, is there a way to make the Enter key (of the physical keyboard) send the SMS instead of inserting a Newline? | 10:31 |
| nid0 | jacekowski: whats being shipped? | 10:31 |
| jacekowski | nid0: device | 10:31 |
| jacekowski | but why it got to england yesterday | 10:31 |
| jacekowski | then back to US | 10:31 |
| jacekowski | and now back in england | 10:31 |
| nid0 | remembering to empty the plane before refilling it and send it back *is* hard | 10:32 |
| ieatlint | jacekowski: UPS's fucked up system records local time only methinks | 10:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: check your MOTD in IRC | 10:32 |
| ieatlint | my guess is you're looking at some hilarious issue where time zones are causing bullshit order of events | 10:32 |
| nid0 | nah, the timezones being local do match up for it going back to the states again | 10:32 |
| jacekowski | ieatlint: well, yesterday i looked and it was just east midlands airport | 10:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: | 10:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | [2010-09-02 06:33:41] [MOTD] - Welcome to card.freenode.net in Washington, DC, US, kindly sponsored by | 10:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | [2010-09-02 06:33:41] [MOTD] - Team Cymru (http://www.team-cymru.org). | 10:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | [ | 10:33 |
| jacekowski | ieatlint: then other stuff appeared | 10:33 |
| jacekowski | nothing in motd about location | 10:33 |
| jacekowski | unless i'm blind | 10:34 |
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| johnx | DocScrutinizer, awesome, so I'm connected to france as well, but to a different host there. hilariously, 60%+ of my hops are inside the US though | 10:34 |
| jacekowski | 04:56 -!- - Welcome to jordan.freenode.net in Evry, FR, EU. | 10:34 |
| jacekowski | for me it's local host | 10:34 |
| ieatlint | i'm connected to an oregon server that isn't that far from me really | 10:34 |
| ieatlint | just about 2k km north :P | 10:34 |
| jacekowski | 6ms | 10:35 |
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| johnx | so, how would I tell xchat "Do a better job at picking a server close to you" | 10:36 |
| jacekowski | you don't | 10:37 |
| jacekowski | it's not xchat doing it | 10:37 |
| jacekowski | it's freenode loadbalancer | 10:37 |
| Stskeeps | if they have one.. | 10:38 |
| X-Fade | Just connect to a node close to you and don't look back? | 10:38 |
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| DocScrutinizer | johnx: explicitly provide the particular server url, rather than irc.freenode.org | 10:38 |
| * johnx tests something | 10:38 | |
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| johnx | hmm | 10:39 |
| Duckboot | The loadbalancer probably is round-robin | 10:39 |
| johnx | the answer is, connect to a regional server, such as chat.us.freenode.net | 10:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | there's no such thing like a loadbalancer | 10:39 |
| Duckboot | DocScrutinizer: "There is no spoon" | 10:39 |
| Duckboot | Wild guess: Round-robin DNS | 10:40 |
| johnx | oooh, irvine, CA | 10:40 |
| johnx | much better | 10:40 |
| ieatlint | you've clearly never been to irvine if you think that | 10:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | there's just what you get from `host -a chat.freenode.net` | 10:41 |
| johnx | ieatlint, my packets have. does that count? | 10:41 |
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| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: well i clearly remember somebody on #freenode stating that freenode doesn't do simple round robin | 10:41 |
| ieatlint | i'm connected through central oregon but am closer to irvine, and vise-versa for you | 10:42 |
| ieatlint | it makes sense | 10:42 |
| johnx | we could switch. but you do it first | 10:42 |
| Duckboot | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Round_robin_DNS | 10:42 |
| ieatlint | i'm happier sending my packets north than south | 10:42 |
| johnx | at least mine get to travel downhill all the way there | 10:42 |
| ieatlint | those southern bastards took our water, they're not getting my packets | 10:43 |
| nid0 | jacekowski: it would seem it does, irc.freenode.org simply resolves to about 20 different addresses | 10:43 |
| * johnx writes that one down to explain to users why it's faster to send email south, should really make his own BOFH calendar one day | 10:43 | |
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| ieatlint | be sure to quote ted stevens in that explanation | 10:44 |
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| johnx | "just like water flowing downhill, when you send the email truck south through the tubes, it doesn't have to work as hard." | 10:45 |
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| ieatlint | :P | 10:47 |
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| johnx | I also tell people not to tilt their laptops or the data will fall off the hard drive | 10:48 |
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| Duckboot | johnx: If you tilt it, and hold it over a bucket, you have backup? | 10:49 |
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| johnx | nah, cause some of the bits are 'sticky' and they'll stay on the HD | 10:50 |
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| TermanaN900 | hey hey | 10:53 |
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| johnx | hey TermanaN900 | 10:54 |
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| Khertan | Morning all | 10:56 |
| johnx | mornin' Khertan | 10:56 |
| johnx | you here to take the next shift from me? :) | 10:56 |
| Khertan | johnx: ? | 10:57 |
| johnx | I mean, you always arrive when I'm about to go to sleep :) | 10:57 |
| Jaffa | Morning, all | 10:57 |
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| Khertan | ah ... héhé | 10:57 |
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| Khertan | Morning Jaffa | 10:58 |
| johnx | hi Jaffa | 10:59 |
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| johnx | ebzzry, can't really test easily. have you tried holding ctrl or shift while hitting enter? | 11:07 |
| johnx | anyways, time to catch some sleep | 11:10 |
| johnx | 'night all | 11:10 |
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| Khertan | An user of Khweeteur said me that copy/paste aren't working in Khweeteur ... and isn't working in any qt apps running on his n900 | 11:18 |
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| Khertan | someone already heard of a similar trouble , | 11:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer | night johnx | 11:21 |
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| Artem_ | Hello. Is there any way to use networking software (web browser, Skype) via usb network connection? | 11:23 |
| Artem_ | yep, I own N810. | 11:23 |
| kerio | yup | 11:23 |
| kerio | set up usb network | 11:24 |
| Artem_ | I've set it. When I'm starting Skype, it tries to bring up wireless network | 11:24 |
| Stskeeps | Artem_: if you use a icd plugin /dummy plugin it won't bother you | 11:25 |
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| Artem_ | Sorry, what kind of plugin is it? | 11:29 |
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| Artem_ | could you pls provide me a link with its description, etc ? | 11:29 |
| Stskeeps | libicd-network-dummy | 11:30 |
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| Artem_ | Thanks, I'll try it. | 11:31 |
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| lcuk | morning \o | 11:35 |
| Khertan | youhou ... before pythontidy ... pylint score 2.53, after pythontidy pylint score : 0.53 | 11:36 |
| Khertan | nice beautifier :) | 11:36 |
| Khertan | morning lcuk | 11:36 |
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| frals | mornin lcuk, Khertan o/ | 11:39 |
| Khertan | morning frals | 11:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer | lcuk: morning | 11:44 |
| lcuk | heya chaps | 11:44 |
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| * lcuk saw something last night I didn't expect | 11:52 | |
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| Stskeeps | boobies? | 11:54 |
| lcuk | :D | 11:57 |
| lcuk | no, I saw composited yuv stuff (I believe anyway, it mightv been a trick of the light) | 11:58 |
| lcuk | but boobies wouldv been better | 11:58 |
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| scp1 | composited boobies | 12:05 |
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| lcuk | scp1, that sounds more like photoshop | 12:08 |
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| lcuk | Khertan, did twitter api change so drastically then | 12:09 |
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| lcuk | or has the auth system been there for a while | 12:10 |
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| Justus | hi | 12:12 |
| Justus | is it possible to turn up the volume further than it is allowed by default? | 12:13 |
| jpinx-eeepc | In my N900 - call up a webpage that needs a login user/pwd combo, select the text area and the virtual kbd comes up, type in the username, hit return, and it takes that as a login attempt, I can not find a way to get back to the webpage/close the virtual kbd without hitting return. Any help please ? | 12:14 |
| Justus | there is a small ^ somewhere on your keyboard, hit that and it will close down, alternatively clicking out of the area of the keyboard should suffice to close it | 12:15 |
| Khertan | lcuk: the new auth system was present since a long time | 12:15 |
| Khertan | lcuk: but oauth is a real pain to use | 12:15 |
| jpinx-eeepc | Justus: thnks but that loses the input I have just typed | 12:15 |
| Khertan | lcuk: it s require to open a web page ... to get the credential ... and user copy paste the auth keys | 12:15 |
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| jpinx-eeepc | Justus: ok - I think I have it now - but how do I accept the predictive offering? | 12:19 |
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| Justus | what? | 12:20 |
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| Justus | jpinx-eeepc: please explain that, I honestly don't know what you mean with predictive offering | 12:21 |
| jpinx-eeepc | when I am typing it will predict what I am typing, if it's correct, how do I accept it? | 12:21 |
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| Justus | I don't have my device here right now and I don't know the answer, I usually use the hw-keyboard | 12:23 |
| Zucca | Anyone got sshfs working on N900? | 12:23 |
| scp1 | zucca, yes | 12:23 |
| jpinx-eeepc | Justus: ok thanks mate - I'm off out now anyway and i'll get back to it later :) | 12:24 |
| Zucca | scp1: Did you just install it or does it require any tricks? | 12:24 |
| scp1 | just installed it. | 12:24 |
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| Zucca | scp1: Then there's something wrong with my settings... | 12:25 |
| scp1 | how come? | 12:25 |
| Zucca | scp1: From which repo did you install it? | 12:25 |
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| scp1 | no idea. I'm not friends with apt yet :< | 12:25 |
| Zucca | scp1: Ok. Neither am I. :D | 12:25 |
| Justus | ok, I'll try my problem once again: is it possible to boost the N900 speakers louder than they can get by default? Is there an amplifier plugin or something? I googled for a while but found nothing | 12:26 |
| Zucca | scp1: I have added diablo repo to my list because I need some of those packages too... | 12:26 |
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| scp1 | Okay | 12:26 |
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| scp1 | zucca, Filename: pool/fremantle/free/s/sshfs-fuse/sshfs_2.0-2maemo2_armel.deb | 12:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | Justus: generally not. Also there's some speaker protection that will limit speaker volume | 12:28 |
| Zucca | Justus: Why do you need more volume? Anyways if it is possible, I wouldn't recommend it. | 12:28 |
| scp1 | zucca, what's the actual problem? | 12:28 |
| Justus | It's simple, my HF-200 is broken, and now I need something that I can at least use | 12:29 |
| Zucca | scp1: mount reports a problem withing it's subprocess. Cannot find a directory. I've double checked all the things. I'll reinstall sshfs now and disable diablo (for good). | 12:29 |
| Zucca | *its | 12:29 |
| scp1 | zucca, mount? you should not use mount | 12:29 |
| scp1 | zucca, sshfs -p port user@host: mountpoint | 12:30 |
| Zucca | scp1: I use sshfs command, but it uses mount. | 12:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | Justus: in digital domain all audio media is supposed to be maximum volume, and so all volume control sliders work to attenuate volume only. There's rarely any plugin or whatever that can actually boost. | 12:30 |
| scp1 | zucca, fwiw, I am using diablo as well | 12:31 |
| scp1 | and a shitload of other repos | 12:31 |
| Justus | DocScrutinizer: well, than thanks anyway for the answer :( | 12:31 |
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| Zucca | scp1: Me too. But the file path you gave earlier was from fremantle repo. I need to at least try this... | 12:32 |
| scp1 | btw - Jenirok is probably the greatest app ever | 12:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | Justus: if you'd other to elaborate on your particular problem, chances are you get better advice than when asking a question based on many assumptions | 12:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | s/ oth/ both/ | 12:33 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer meant: Justus: if you'd bother to elaborate on your particular problem, chances are you get better advice than when asking a question based on many assumptions | 12:33 |
| scp1 | lol, nice. | 12:33 |
| scp1 | s/ n.ce\./cool!/ | 12:34 |
| scp1 | :< | 12:34 |
| Scelt | that's corny, T-rex! | 12:35 |
| Scelt | s/that's c/i'm h/ | 12:35 |
| infobot | Scelt meant: i'm horny, T-rex! | 12:35 |
| Scelt | :-D | 12:35 |
| scp1 | meh. my RE was valid! | 12:36 |
| scp1 | s/meh. // | 12:36 |
| infobot | scp1 meant: my RE was valid! | 12:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer | infobot doesn't use RE | 12:39 |
| kerio | ~botsmack | 12:40 |
| infobot | OWW! | 12:40 |
| kerio | s/m/n/ | 12:40 |
| infobot | kerio meant: ~botsnack | 12:40 |
| kerio | hehe | 12:40 |
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| svuorela | win 26 | 12:43 |
| thomasvs | is there a way from an application to add a button that makes a call to a given number ? | 12:43 |
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| Khertan | thomasvs: yes | 12:44 |
| thomasvs | Khertan: sweet - where should I dig to find that ? | 12:44 |
| Khertan | thomasvs: use dbus | 12:44 |
| thomasvs | aha, interesting. any examples of that, preferably in python ? | 12:44 |
| Khertan | thomasvs: http://wiki.maemo.org/Phone_control#Make_a_phone_call | 12:45 |
| thomasvs | Khertan: sweet, that looks good! | 12:46 |
| Khertan | http://wiki.maemo.org/Phone_control#Make_a_phone_call_2 | 12:46 |
| thomasvs | Khertan: that page seems to say telepathy is a preferred way ? | 12:46 |
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| Khertan | except for phone calls | 12:49 |
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| Zucca | scp1: I downloaded the .deb package of sshfs by hand and tried to install it with dpkg. It seems that it needs some fuse packages from devel repos. I don't want to add delvel repos to my system, so I just have to wait. :) | 12:53 |
| scp1 | zucca, chicken :p | 12:53 |
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| Zucca | scp1: Athough I could download all the fuse packages by hand and install them too... I'll just use USB cable for file access now. I had an idea to use dbus-scripts to mount my home directory on my server when there was a connection opened. | 12:57 |
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| lcuk | Khertan, for every app it needs the same? | 13:03 |
| lcuk | or are you doing something wrong? | 13:03 |
| dneary | Attila said "I feel many take maemo.org for granted"... it seems to me like, on the contrary, people have already turned the page and are either getting behind MeeGo or turning to Android... | 13:03 |
| dneary | How do others here feel? | 13:03 |
| scp1 | I'm not leaving | 13:03 |
| Stskeeps | dneary: i still wear maemo.org tshirts | 13:04 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 13:04 |
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| scp1 | stskeeps, does that give you more girls? | 13:04 |
| Stskeeps | scp1: i'm married, doesn't matter | 13:04 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 13:04 |
| scp1 | oh, I'm so sorry | 13:04 |
| lcuk | notice, he evaded the question ;) | 13:04 |
| scp1 | heh | 13:04 |
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| lcuk | dneary, no attila is correct | 13:05 |
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| lcuk | theres a lot of maemo activity | 13:05 |
| Stskeeps | dneary: but there has been an astonishing silence of how to deal with the new circumstances and even current ones .. and that building a new community from scratch can be good for better or worse | 13:05 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, the intent of meego was not to build a new community from scratch was it | 13:05 |
| dneary | lcuk: It seems that way | 13:06 |
| lcuk | else it would have been a new initiative - however people still have real feelings about compatability and purpose | 13:06 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: no, but i think that might have been a good idea to not transfer all the skeletons in the closet | 13:06 |
| dneary | Stskeeps, I agree... | 13:06 |
| dneary | But then again, do you know why champaign has bubbles? | 13:06 |
| Stskeeps | goes quicker to the brain? | 13:07 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 13:07 |
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| dneary | The carbon dioxide in the champaign builds up on imperfections in the glass until it reaches critical size, and then turns into a bubble & goes to the surface | 13:07 |
| dneary | If the glass were perfect, champaign wouldn't be fizzy | 13:07 |
| Khertan | lcuk: ? | 13:07 |
| dneary | The imperfections give the gas opportunities to gather & make champaign what it is | 13:08 |
| MNZ | dneary, and is the fizzyness a good thing? | 13:08 |
| dneary | (don't worry, there *is* a point to this) | 13:08 |
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| nid0 | MNZ yes generally, the bubbles concentrate the flavour quite heavily | 13:08 |
| dneary | In MeeGo there have not been a huge number of opportunities so far to make a meaningful impact | 13:08 |
| Stskeeps | i feel a 'big crack in the glass' analogy coming up | 13:08 |
| dneary | No imperfections to hang on to | 13:09 |
| dneary | Stskeeps, On the contrary | 13:09 |
| dneary | Aside from the ARM group (which is a good place for Maemo developers to go, I imagine - you can confirm that) | 13:09 |
| dneary | it's been hard to get any purchase on anything coming out of an individual effort. | 13:10 |
| dneary | Stskeeps, How's the conference paper selection going, by the way? | 13:10 |
| Stskeeps | dneary: forward.. 200 pages of text | 13:10 |
| dneary | I wrote to Dirk to suggest that you leave a slot for lightning talks (potentially plenary) and I volunteered to co-ordinate them | 13:10 |
| Stskeeps | dneary: if it was to his intel mail i can almost guarantee he didn't see it | 13:11 |
| Stskeeps | dneary: i'll keep it in mind though | 13:11 |
| dneary | Stskeeps, Why? | 13:11 |
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| Stskeeps | (he's on sabbatical so not on intel.com mail) | 13:11 |
| dneary | I guess I could re-send to meego-community to get wider distribution | 13:11 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 13:12 |
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| dneary | Stskeeps, Weren't you due to send notifications for talks this week? | 13:15 |
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| lcuk | Stskeeps, even if the gtk side were put to one side, an effort to see Maemo applications on Meego would do wonders to boost things | 13:22 |
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| lcuk | take for instance Miniature - quims cheerleading qt app | 13:23 |
| lcuk | to show the cross compatability thats been shouted muchly for the last however long in action | 13:23 |
| lcuk | but we know from Mer experience that you get help from members once they can see their creations appear | 13:24 |
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| Stskeeps | lcuk: the beginning of this is when cbuild.meego.com opens | 13:28 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: and we start having an extras-devel.. | 13:28 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 13:28 |
| lcuk | the beginning of this is showing a single app working | 13:29 |
| lcuk | and so far the first community app i have seen is from gtk | 13:29 |
| Stskeeps | agreed.. | 13:29 |
| Khertan | khteditor should run on meego ... when pyqt4 binding will be available | 13:31 |
| Khertan | should be the case for Khweeteur too | 13:31 |
| Khertan | just need the binding | 13:31 |
| lcuk | indeed Khertan and trying and seeing is important! | 13:32 |
| lcuk | Khertan, would it work also on the netbook image? | 13:32 |
| lcuk | does that already have bindings? | 13:33 |
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| Khertan | lcuk: it should ... but there is no binding too | 13:34 |
| Khertan | i ve already tryed :) | 13:34 |
| lcuk | can you run non UI python on both? | 13:36 |
| nid0 | anyone got 5 minutes and their device handy? | 13:36 |
| lcuk | nid0, just ask and people may or may not poke | 13:38 |
| lcuk | i have been looking at some meta package type things recently | 13:38 |
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| lcuk | and thinking about the recent maemo coding competition | 13:39 |
| nid0 | could just do with someone loading up the new version of qthello from testing, wouldnt mind seeing if it's p2p network mode actually works properly | 13:39 |
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| lcuk | would a meta package containing all the competition entrants be something you guys would want to install | 13:39 |
| lcuk | (thinking in part for the next one actually) | 13:39 |
| lcuk | nid0, how does it do p2p stuff? | 13:40 |
| lcuk | does it use tubes? | 13:40 |
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| lcuk | nid0, also the small q in qthello makes it read like "qt hello" | 13:41 |
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| nid0 | (it's not my package, im just testing it) | 13:42 |
| lcuk | it was only once I clicked on the build and saw it was to be read as "Qthello" (cos its othello) that was meaning. nice play on it though :) | 13:42 |
| lcuk | ahh | 13:42 |
| nid0 | but its meant to be an othello and qt play on words i guess :p | 13:42 |
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| Venemo | hi guys | 13:44 |
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| lcuk | \o Venemo | 13:49 |
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| Venemo | o7 lcuk | 13:50 |
| Venemo | lcuk, I'm happy there are no software patents in Europe | 13:51 |
| Venemo | lcuk: look at this: http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1&Sect2=HITOFF&d=PALL&p=1&u=/netahtml/PTO/srchnum.htm&r=1&f=G&l=50&s1=7,788,474.PN.&OS=PN/7,788,474&RS=PN/7,788,474 | 13:51 |
| Venemo | lcuk: how ridiculous is that? | 13:51 |
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| lcuk | Venemo, idk, not something i tend to notice | 13:52 |
| Venemo | ms has just patented the shutdown mechanism of an OS | 13:53 |
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| kerio | wait, what | 13:55 |
| lcuk | how come #symbian only has 40odd people | 13:55 |
| lcuk | where do symbianites hang out? | 13:55 |
| kerio | symbianites? | 13:55 |
| kerio | there are probably 40odd people happy with symbian, you know | 13:56 |
| Venemo | lcuk: ask those 40 people | 13:56 |
| lcuk | no, theres many more | 13:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | lcuk: (an effort to see Maemo applications) seems to me I used almost same words on same topic, some weeks ago | 13:56 |
| nid0 | lcuk, from a dev pov theres also #symbian.dev on efnet | 13:57 |
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| lcuk | yeah i suppose nid0 ta for that | 13:58 |
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| lcuk | DocScrutinizer, its been talked about for a lot longer than that | 14:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | sure | 14:01 |
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| Venemo | goodbye guys, I have to go now | 14:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | iirc my suggestion back then was Nokia should finally implement a proper navigation app (aka ovi maps 2) on **maemo**, so showing both dedication to maemo community and faith in easy portability | 14:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer | as additional benefit they can have proper maps on "zero day" | 14:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | on any future meego device | 14:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | community developers witnessing that for sure feel more temped to give meego a try | 14:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ( s/portability/migration to meego/ ) | 14:07 |
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| darkschneider | and hello all, from yesterday another user/developer (via N900). | 14:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | welcome :-D | 14:08 |
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| darkschneider | thanks :-D | 14:10 |
| lcuk | DocScrutinizer, wheres the wikipage showing outline/spec/comparison for a map app and current candidates | 14:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | duh, no idea what you are talking bout :-) | 14:11 |
| SpeedEvil | http://maemo.org/community/maemo-developers/qt_map_widget/?org_openpsa_qbpager_net_nemein_discussion_posts_page=1 | 14:12 |
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| SpeedEvil | Is this the page to which you refuer lcuk? | 14:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer | at least it's the only one I ever heard of | 14:13 |
| lcuk | SpeedEvil, thats closest its from the mailing list | 14:13 |
| SpeedEvil | I know | 14:14 |
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| lcuk | well spotted though, its easy for threads there to get buried | 14:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | MNZ: you got your project started? | 14:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | (I'd like to join) | 14:16 |
| MNZ | yeah, approved, but I haven't uploaded anything yet because I have to go somewhere with a good connection :/ | 14:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | the name was? | 14:17 |
| MNZ | I get disconnected if I try to upload anything more than 400-500kb :/ | 14:17 |
| MNZ | https://garage.maemo.org/project/admin/?group_id=1843 | 14:17 |
| MNZ | oh sorry | 14:17 |
| MNZ | that's admin | 14:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | hehe | 14:18 |
| MNZ | http://garage.maemo.org/projects/aic34-eq/ | 14:18 |
| MNZ | I'm thinking of just uploading patches and be done with it, instead of the entire kernel | 14:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | :nod: | 14:19 |
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| nid0 | why break it? | 14:21 |
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| Stskeeps | wb dneary | 14:22 |
| dneary | hi | 14:23 |
| lcuk | update from the sudser author, he now has an N900 and will test and modify/release as required :) | 14:24 |
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| jacekowski | anybody knows how security on meego will look? | 14:26 |
| jacekowski | as bad as maemo? | 14:26 |
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| MNZ | DocScrutinizer, I'm new to this garage thing, what's an appropriate 'role' for you? | 14:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: you really think such details are part of the current specs or work? | 14:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | MNZ: no idea. usually developer, I guess | 14:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | (also new :-D) | 14:28 |
| X-Fade | MNZ: As long as you don't make yourself anything else than admin ;) | 14:29 |
| jacekowski | ehh, i'm wasting another day | 14:29 |
| X-Fade | Otherwise you'll lock yourself out :) | 14:29 |
| jacekowski | is it thursday? | 14:29 |
| MNZ | X-Fade, ah thanks for the hint | 14:29 |
| jacekowski | wow, it's friday tomorrow | 14:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ORLY? o.O | 14:30 |
| nid0 | yay, my weekend starts in 5 hours | 14:30 |
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| jacekowski | yay | 14:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer | so... maybe... | 14:31 |
| jacekowski | ehhh, i've opened 15M .exe | 14:31 |
| jacekowski | 20 minutes ago | 14:31 |
| jacekowski | and IDA is still processing it | 14:31 |
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| DocPyrotizer | meh, 36h til fireworks | 14:35 |
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| lcuk | DocScrutinizer, i have spent the morning thinking its friday | 14:36 |
| nid0 | gutted | 14:36 |
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| SpeedEvil | lcuk: don't go to bed, and you can continue thinking that for another 36 hours | 14:36 |
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| lcuk | SpeedEvil, but then i would sleep all weekend | 14:37 |
| lcuk | hibernation: its not just for bears. | 14:37 |
| nid0 | sounds like a good use of a weekend to me | 14:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | sleep is overrated anyway | 14:41 |
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| SpeedEvil | http://b3ta.com/board/10172039 | 14:44 |
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| mintux | I need f11 keyboard in a application .how can I use it. what key does that ? | 14:49 |
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| koala_man | which app is that? scummvm or something? | 14:50 |
| mintux | google chrome | 14:51 |
| mintux | for full screen | 14:51 |
| SpeedEvil | There is no f11 | 14:51 |
| mintux | so why google chrome has this ? in maemo if there is no f11 ? | 14:52 |
| lcuk | didn't the N810 used to give F11 when you pressed fullscreen hard key? | 14:53 |
| lcuk | or was that mapped to something else again | 14:53 |
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| mintux | and another question is . how can create custom shortcut on desktop ? | 14:55 |
| Jaffa | Sigh. Morning over. New joiners settled. Ishl | 14:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer | if that was a proper kbd mapping and driver setup, I'd say try shift-F1, which in turn should break down to esc,Fn+Shift+Q | 15:03 |
| lcuk | holy hell, a 5ghz cpu | 15:04 |
| MohammadAG51 | i've seen 6 | 15:04 |
| lcuk | http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,2845,2368264,00.asp | 15:04 |
| lcuk | 5.2ghz | 15:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | mintux: of course you're free to remap your kbd to meet your needs | 15:05 |
| lcuk | Jaffa, its not the easiest thing | 15:05 |
| MohammadAG51 | lcuk, crashanddie the database wasn't/isn't corrupt | 15:05 |
| lcuk | MohammadAG51, oooh | 15:05 |
| lcuk | what then | 15:05 |
| MohammadAG51 | the whole partition was | 15:05 |
| MohammadAG51 | nothing was lost, except a few avatars | 15:05 |
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| MohammadAG51 | copied back the same "corrupt" file, conversations loaded it fine | 15:06 |
| MohammadAG51 | (after reflashing) | 15:06 |
| MohammadAG51 | plus my /home is 3GBs now :p | 15:06 |
| lcuk | heh awesome | 15:06 |
| lcuk | glad its working | 15:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG51: heh, nice :-D | 15:06 |
| Jaffa | lcuk: Not when there's other work to do | 15:07 |
| MohammadAG51 | need to start using rsync though | 15:07 |
| MohammadAG51 | osso-backup failed yesterday | 15:07 |
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| MohammadAG51 | it needs tar, which was a stale NFS handle | 15:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | lol | 15:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG51: you could have offered a spare tar to osso-backup, by installing it somewhere else (NAND?) and including to head of $PATH | 15:08 |
| MohammadAG51 | so umm, rsync synchronizes files, it doesn't copy the same files over and over again right? | 15:08 |
| lcuk | jaffa thats always the way | 15:08 |
| MohammadAG51 | the NAND was kinda f'd DocScrutinizer | 15:09 |
| lcuk | how many have you been training up | 15:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | ooh thought the eMMC was borked | 15:09 |
| MohammadAG51 | i had to use dbus to answer a call | 15:09 |
| MohammadAG51 | both lol | 15:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | WTF??! | 15:09 |
| MohammadAG51 | tar is part of busybox | 15:09 |
| mintux | how to create shortcut for custom command on desktop? | 15:09 |
| MohammadAG51 | i'm not sure how busybox started | 15:09 |
| MohammadAG51 | gnutar was dead | 15:09 |
| kerio | it was probably in a pub after lots of alcohol | 15:09 |
| lcuk | mintux, queen beecon or the desktop execution widget let you do stuff like that | 15:09 |
| lcuk | but in general you would need a .desktop file to make a menu item | 15:10 |
| lcuk | then add that | 15:10 |
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| mintux | where is .desktop file | 15:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah, it's called 'programming' ;-P | 15:11 |
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| lcuk | mintux, http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Application_Development/Writing_a_new_maemo_application#Adding_application_to_menu | 15:15 |
| drizztbsd | http://kakaroto.homelinux.net/2010/09/update-on-psjailbreak-linux-kernel-for-n900-devices/ (I love n900 :D) | 15:15 |
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| Iridos | the 'Fn' and Enter key have stopped working on my N810 - I can hear clicks when they're pressed, but the actions are not executed... any idea what could cause this.... or how to find out? | 15:41 |
| SpeedEvil | Have you spilled soup on it? | 15:41 |
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| MohammadAG | see if evkey sees them | 15:41 |
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| Iridos | not noticeably so, no | 15:42 |
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| Iridos | the soup, that is | 15:43 |
| Iridos | no coffee, either | 15:43 |
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| Iridos | anyway, the keys as such work, else they wouldn't produce the clicking sound via the speaker | 15:43 |
| Iridos | what package is evkey in? | 15:44 |
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| Iridos | the only unusual thing softwarewise was that the root filesystem was full and I had to uninstall some things | 15:44 |
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| MNZ | what's a "Release Name" in garage? | 15:52 |
| MNZ | when I'm adding a new file | 15:52 |
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| scp1 | http://psy.trapd00r.se/scrots/00-Maemo/Screenshot-20100902-144753.png :) | 15:53 |
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| Iridos | MohammadAG, where do I get evkey from? | 15:54 |
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| MohammadAG | hmm, somewhere on qwerty12's places | 15:55 |
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| MohammadAG | prolly freemoe | 15:55 |
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| Stskeeps | someone ought to sue the neopwn guy for copyright infringement.. | 16:17 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 16:17 |
| SpeedEvil | I'm unsure. | 16:18 |
| SpeedEvil | I mean - devreloping stuff is often not free. | 16:18 |
| SpeedEvil | And tehre are far, far worsre rthings out there. | 16:18 |
| Stskeeps | taking a kernel driver, doing modifications, publishing binary, and on top of it, demanding donations/pay? :P | 16:18 |
| SpeedEvil | IIRC he's specifically stated that when costs are recovered he's opensourcing it. | 16:18 |
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| Stskeeps | except both you and me know gpl doesn't work like that .. | 16:18 |
| SpeedEvil | While this isn't ideal... | 16:18 |
| SpeedEvil | yes | 16:18 |
| SpeedEvil | In principle, both are equally as bad. | 16:19 |
| Stskeeps | the moment he distributed a .ko people can ask him for source | 16:19 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 16:19 |
| SpeedEvil | In practice, shipping a hundred thousand routers with no GPL mention, and stonewalling on GPL requirements is a far bigger and more egregious offeence. | 16:19 |
| Stskeeps | probably, but it's the same kind of practice | 16:20 |
| Stskeeps | just larger scale | 16:20 |
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| Stskeeps | either way, what do i care.. | 16:21 |
| SpeedEvil | Oh - I agree. | 16:21 |
| SpeedEvil | Also - I thought of a wrinkle in GPL. | 16:21 |
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| SpeedEvil | If you ship to your user source - on an encryted filesystem. You then on the first boot compile this source. Are you in fact required to give out that source? | 16:22 |
| SpeedEvil | You're not distributing the binary. | 16:22 |
| Stskeeps | heh | 16:23 |
| Stskeeps | not bad | 16:23 |
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| koala_man | SpeedEvil: you're distributing the software, and you're doing it in a format not customarily used for information exchange | 16:24 |
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| lcuk | Stskeeps, SpeedEvil how do either of you know that he has distributed binaries? | 16:26 |
| lcuk | and hearsay even from him is not the same as him actually giving out binaries | 16:26 |
| lcuk | and you having them | 16:26 |
| MohammadAG | lcuk, debs in a package, no source | 16:27 |
| lcuk | at the point of infringement you can contact the maintainer (cc the EFF into it) and see what happens | 16:27 |
| lcuk | have you got the package? | 16:27 |
| lcuk | up until that point, anything is merely publicity | 16:27 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: maintainer probably doesn't own copyright, nokia does :) | 16:28 |
| MohammadAG | is cron easy to use? | 16:29 |
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| SpeedEvil | koala_man: The 'customarily used' terms only apply to binaries. | 16:30 |
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| nid0 | MohammadAG: yes | 16:30 |
| SpeedEvil | koala_man: Indeed section 3 of GPL2 entirely drops out | 16:30 |
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| koala_man | SpeedEvil: ah. well, in any case, 'The “source code” for a work means the preferred form of the work for making modifications to it.' and an encrypted fs is not the preferred form | 16:31 |
| SpeedEvil | koala_man: But the encrypted source is solely to avoid clause 3 applying. | 16:32 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, ok reasonable enough distinction for contacting the copyright owner afterwards, however you contact the maintainer to request the source officially. | 16:32 |
| MNZ | koala_man, yes it is not the preferred form because he is not distributing the source but merely avoiding distributing the binary | 16:33 |
| lcuk | the maintainer of a GPL package does not need to publish the source on a website | 16:33 |
| koala_man | SpeedEvil: it's in executable form. it can't boot if it's not executable | 16:33 |
| lcuk | he must however make it available upon request | 16:33 |
| koala_man | never mind it semi-JITing most of its code | 16:33 |
| lcuk | and an official request which includes EFF would be a damned good way to do it | 16:33 |
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| wazd | let's check apple audio updates :) | 16:33 |
| wazd | hello everyone :) | 16:34 |
| SpeedEvil | koala_man: You provide source of the kernel, and gzip, and gcc, and every part of the toolchain you're using to compile the source. | 16:34 |
| SpeedEvil | koala_man: You do not provide copies of the GPLd source that you have distributed encrypted. You do put a copyright license saying it's GPL - as you have to in clause 1. | 16:34 |
| koala_man | SpeedEvil: ie you distribute the source of the fs decryptor? | 16:35 |
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| SpeedEvil | koala_man: yes - but not the keys | 16:35 |
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| MNZ | actually, you don't have to distribute the decryption source if you wrote it. more obfuscation | 16:35 |
| koala_man | without the it can't be booted | 16:35 |
| SpeedEvil | And of course, if anyone can get the source out - they are entitled to a licence. | 16:35 |
| SpeedEvil | MNZ: Indeed. | 16:36 |
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| SpeedEvil | koala_man: For example - a DVD player with mplayer as a component that you want to avoid releasing your patches to mplayer. There would be a stock GCC, and linux kernel and dmcrypt/... This you would all release. You then have encrypted source that compiles on first boot. This you do not release. | 16:37 |
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| koala_man | sounds like the tivoization problem | 16:37 |
| koala_man | which is a flaw in gpl2 | 16:38 |
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| wazd | verdict: Touch is glossy again, nano - eeeeew, shuffle - cool | 16:38 |
| wazd | cya next year :) | 16:38 |
| SpeedEvil | It's sort-of, but more aggressive, in that it allows you to distribute hacked-on GPL code without giving out sources. Tivoisation doesn't do this - it just prevents the user adding srtuff. | 16:39 |
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| koala_man | gpl3 has solved it in both cases | 16:40 |
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| SpeedEvil | koala_man: In what manner? A quick skim of 3 indicates that it does not. The 'conveying non-source forms' - term - which seems to be the only place you are required to give out source - are not triggered, as you are conveying source. | 16:42 |
| koala_man | SpeedEvil: doesn't clause 4 apply here? you're not distributing source, you're not distributing object code, so then you can't distribute it according to the license | 16:42 |
| koala_man | SpeedEvil: an encrypted fs is not the preferred form of the work for making modifications to it. | 16:43 |
| SpeedEvil | koala_man: Section 4 kicks in - yes - if you mean v3 - you need to give the GPL copyright notices. | 16:43 |
| koala_man | I meant v2 | 16:43 |
| koala_man | "You may not copy, modify, sublicense, or distribute the Program except as expressly provided under this License. " | 16:44 |
| lcuk | koala_man, where is the clause about it being preferred form for modifications | 16:44 |
| koala_man | lcuk: in v3 | 16:45 |
| SpeedEvil | koala_man: But as far as I see - distributing encrypted source is not a violation of the GPL. | 16:45 |
| lcuk | i was under the impression printed copies are acceptable | 16:45 |
| SpeedEvil | koala_man: As long as you do the copyright notices and ... along with it | 16:45 |
| kerio | use a tiny font and pass everything through a fax | 16:45 |
| koala_man | lcuk: ah, that is in 3 | 16:45 |
| koala_man | in v2 | 16:45 |
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| SpeedEvil | v2 | 16:46 |
| SpeedEvil | 1. You may copy and distribute verbatim copies of the Program's source code as you receive it, in any medium, | 16:46 |
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| SpeedEvil | Company A gives company B an encrypted sourceball | 16:46 |
| koala_man | I see your point | 16:47 |
| SpeedEvil | Company B incorporates that in their product - along with GPL notices that it's based on GPL sourcecode. | 16:47 |
| SpeedEvil | hmm | 16:47 |
| SpeedEvil | It's clearly against the spirit. | 16:47 |
| koala_man | yes | 16:47 |
| koala_man | but when did spirit ever matter in the judicial system | 16:47 |
| SpeedEvil | Indeed. | 16:48 |
| koala_man | well, in pre-1950 but anyways | 16:48 |
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| _trine | wow | 16:53 |
| _trine | Dear Ovi Files user, | 16:53 |
| _trine | Nokia is discontinuing the Ovi Files service, effective October 1, 2010. | 16:53 |
| _trine | We apologize for the inconvenience. | 16:53 |
| _trine | just got that Email | 16:54 |
| SpeedEvil | Ah - it's nice of them to give such a generous termination period. | 16:55 |
| SpeedEvil | :/ | 16:55 |
| SpeedEvil | Though my only use for ovi is omelettes | 16:55 |
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| _trine | http://dpaste.com/237855/ | 16:56 |
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| _trine | thats the contents of their Emauil | 16:56 |
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| MNZ | Ovi Files is shutting down? Is this in preparation of shutting down the entire Ovi service? Bad News(tm) ? | 16:56 |
| _trine | Email* | 16:56 |
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| MNZ | _trine, the announcement is already on wikipedia....... | 16:59 |
| MNZ | In early September, 2010, Nokia announced to Ovi subscribers via email that it will be shutting-down the Ovi files service on October 1st, 2010. | 17:00 |
| _trine | they have only just sent me this Email | 17:00 |
| nid0 | theyre basically just shutting it down because it doesnt get used | 17:00 |
| _trine | I only joined about 3 weeks ago | 17:01 |
| MNZ | I think nokia failed miserably in integrating the ovi services with their handsets | 17:01 |
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| nid0 | and tbh the reason it doesnt get used is because like most of Ovi, nokia are doing the whole thing bass ackwards and half-heartedly, resulting in a piss-poor job of the entire brand, as it's far too fragmented | 17:01 |
| pupnik_ | i think it's so good that it doesn't get appreciated | 17:02 |
| pupnik_ | they need to build in more barriers and ad-banners, then people will think it's worthwhile to use | 17:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | umm wut? Only thing they got semi-working on ovi with N900 was sharing fotos and movies. Now while it is one of the few things that works on maemo, they now go and shut it down serverside? @.O FALEWHALE | 17:02 |
| nid0 | well, most of it doesnt get used because theres absolutely no integration with any of it | 17:03 |
| MNZ | DocScrutinizer, apparently Ovi Share != Ovi Files | 17:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | ok | 17:03 |
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| nid0 | for ovi stuff to work, the suite for pc's needs to provide direct access to everything under the brand, and on-device clients also need to support it. | 17:03 |
| MNZ | I'm willing to bet they are on their way to slowly shut down ovi...... | 17:04 |
| nid0 | i wonder if nokia will be pushing an update for microb's default bookmarks | 17:04 |
| nid0 | being as the second one on the list is ovi files | 17:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | uuh now I recall that silly netstorage-mockup that never really worked for linux machines | 17:04 |
| MNZ | only syncing service that I know works well is dropbox.com | 17:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah KILL IT, DIE, BURN | 17:05 |
| MNZ | they actually have nautilus plugin, and it works well! | 17:05 |
| MNZ | you drag and drop files and they sync automatically. | 17:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | wtf is nautilus? shouldn't that read gautilus? | 17:05 |
| MNZ | it's the filemanager on gnome | 17:06 |
| MNZ | what's gautilus 0_o? | 17:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | :nod: that's why I suggested s/n/g/ | 17:06 |
| MNZ | oh hahaha | 17:06 |
| lcuk | nid0, share.ovi.com is not files.ovi.com as mnz just clarified | 17:07 |
| nid0 | lcuk i'm fully aware of that, whats your point? | 17:07 |
| MNZ | nah gnome are not as anal about the names as KDE with their K prefixes | 17:07 |
| lcuk | share.ovi.com is the link on bookmarks | 17:07 |
| nid0 | no, its files.ovi.com | 17:07 |
| nid0 | titled "Files on Ovi" | 17:07 |
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| nid0 | click it and get taken to Ovi Files with a big notice saying "service getting discontinued as of october" | 17:08 |
| MNZ | but this is really not good news... ovi had good potential/intentions... it just needed some love | 17:08 |
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| nid0 | ovi share is way the hell down at the end of the bookmark list | 17:08 |
| nid0 | ovi files is the second one on the default list after google | 17:08 |
| lcuk | nid0, looking further down my list i have another one at bottom for files | 17:08 |
| lcuk | which takes me to a secure connection failed lol | 17:08 |
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| nid0 | guess we have em in a different order then, files has always been second on my microb list though, with share at the end | 17:09 |
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| lcuk | understood, at least thats a bit more clarified and your point does stand. | 17:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer | locale? | 17:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer | tbh I got no clue by what criteria the bookmarks are sorted / ordered | 17:12 |
| nid0 | either way though, seems to be a move in totally the wrong direction. shouldnt be shutting down their useful services, they just need to actually work properly on their half-assed software to include all of the services that fall under it's brand so that people know they exist and can use them | 17:13 |
| villager | for me, those I've never visited are at the bottom, so popularity or last-visit-time might be a factor | 17:13 |
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| nid0 | full access to all of what's available as "ovi" should need the suite installed and nothing else, not like 54094690 different driver/software/etc downloads for every little thing | 17:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer | if they would *just* put the most elementary things like contacts/calendar sync to work... :-/ | 17:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | for webdavs I don't need ovi | 17:16 |
| nid0 | well, this is more generalised than just for the n900 | 17:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | neither would I advocate a monolitic nokiasuite solution that only works on winblows7 | 17:19 |
| nid0 | ovi was originally billed as a way to bring all nokia's previously hugely fragmented services/software under one roof | 17:19 |
| nid0 | all it's done is give them all the same brand name, but make them all just as disjointed and impossible to use as ever | 17:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah, on which aim they epically failed so far | 17:20 |
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| MNZ | https://garage.maemo.org/projects/aic34-eq/ that's pre-releasing for ya. If anyone wanna test it out | 17:23 |
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| pupnik_ | nice MNZ, very nice | 17:26 |
| MNZ | pupnik_, thanks :-D hopefully the rest will be coming soon | 17:27 |
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| MNZ | oh and if you are gonna test it, make sure you see https://garage.maemo.org/docman/view.php/1843/626/how_to_test.txt | 17:27 |
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| pupnik_ | no device here | 17:27 |
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| mirf | ooh wow that is quite cool | 17:29 |
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| Stskeeps | MNZ: planning on submitting it upstream to linux kernel? | 17:33 |
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| jcrawford | someone here that can lend a hand with issues installing the SDK? I am getting these errors | 17:34 |
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| jcrawford | Host kernel VDSO support... no | 17:35 |
| jcrawford | E: Host kernel VDSO support is incompatible with scratchbox. | 17:35 |
| hrw | jcrawford: grab vmware image and use it with vmware/virtualbox/qemu instead of installing sbox | 17:35 |
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| jcrawford | hrw, is there a specific reason you are stating to do that? is it easier? | 17:36 |
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| hrw | jcrawford: no sbox in my system, no problems with it during system updates | 17:37 |
| jcrawford | ok well installer just went on its way | 17:38 |
| jcrawford | now to figure out how to undo what it did so i can use the vmware image :0 | 17:38 |
| jcrawford | thought i cannot even get to the page to download the image | 17:38 |
| jcrawford | times out | 17:38 |
| jcrawford | takes too long to respond | 17:38 |
| SpeedEvil | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/09/01/swype_symbian/ | 17:38 |
| SpeedEvil | hmm | 17:38 |
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| jcrawford | http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/maemo-dev-env-downloads.php | 17:39 |
| amigadave | scratchbox 1.0.18 or greater works fine whatever the VDSO setting: http://lists.scratchbox.org/pipermail/scratchbox-users/2010-June/001618.html | 17:39 |
| jcrawford | anyone that can get to that? | 17:39 |
| hrw | jcrawford: no problem | 17:39 |
| jcrawford | odd times out here | 17:39 |
| jcrawford | must be the corp network | 17:39 |
| jcrawford | ah was just my proxy setting got it now | 17:40 |
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| jcrawford | going to attempt to write an app for my N900 that will log GPS coords (if no internet connection) and then update my web app with the coords for placement on an ajaxified google maps | 17:44 |
| jcrawford | so that people could watch me ride around haha | 17:44 |
| jcrawford | just for fun nothing serious :) | 17:44 |
| noaXess | hello | 17:44 |
| jcrawford | hello | 17:44 |
| noaXess | have installed the SyncEvolution on my Nokia N900 but don't understand the seting: Calendar Source: N900, Private, Birthdays | 17:45 |
| Flyser | jcrawford: www.openstreetmap.org | 17:45 |
| jcrawford | Flyser, yea just not as nice as Gmaps :) | 17:46 |
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| jcrawford | or maybe I will use Yahoo Maps since Nokia is partnering with them and providing the map service to them | 17:46 |
| Flyser | jcrawford: how is gmaps "nice"? | 17:46 |
| MNZ | Stskeeps, eventually, probably will submit it to upstream. Nokia made some changes to the driver as well that are not in upstream too | 17:46 |
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| jcrawford | Flyser, i think it looks nicer :) plus i have never worked with the OSM api | 17:46 |
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| Flyser | jcrawford: it *looks* nicer? | 17:47 |
| Flyser | you do now, that there are multiple renderers for openstreetmap data | 17:47 |
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| Flyser | not to say "lots" | 17:47 |
| Stskeeps | MNZ: well, in meego we are only using upstreamed stuff :) | 17:48 |
| Stskeeps | MNZ: so if you notice some things missing, let us know | 17:49 |
| SpeedEvil | Google has the problem that though they may take your mods - in some places - with google maps - what you can actually do with that map is very limited. | 17:49 |
| SpeedEvil | An interesting map freedom test is the cake test. | 17:49 |
| SpeedEvil | Can you legally as a buisness print out a map on a cake from the provider, without any issues. | 17:49 |
| jcrawford | does OSM have an API? | 17:49 |
| SpeedEvil | yes | 17:50 |
| Flyser | jcrawford: I use openlayers.org | 17:50 |
| MNZ | Stskeeps, I haven't really gotten into meego yet. So only vanilla kernel? Or do you have your own patches to the kernel as well? | 17:50 |
| SpeedEvil | http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/API | 17:50 |
| Flyser | don't know if there are others | 17:50 |
| lcuk | SpeedEvil, i find when i put cakes into my printer it gets a bit messy | 17:51 |
| SpeedEvil | You need a better printer. | 17:51 |
| joga | does someone use accelemymote? | 17:51 |
| joga | it doesn't seem to work for me | 17:51 |
| SpeedEvil | lcuk: It should have CMYK bags of sugar-icing. | 17:51 |
| SpeedEvil | lcuk: as well as a chocolate dispenser. | 17:51 |
| derf | It should print on strips of bacon. | 17:52 |
| kerio | bacon! | 17:52 |
| lcuk | yes | 17:52 |
| lcuk | a bacon printer would revolutionize the world | 17:52 |
| kerio | bacon! | 17:52 |
| lcuk | bacon is one of the most common highlight hits on my irc | 17:53 |
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| kerio | BACON! | 17:53 |
| kerio | i like bacon | 17:53 |
| lcuk | http://liqbase.net/irc.bacon.png | 17:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | baconnnnnnnn | 17:54 |
| lcuk | also related: http://liqbase.net/liq.20090115_233206.gary.scr.png | 17:54 |
| drizztbsd | what is liqbase :D | 17:54 |
| lcuk | my sleeping mind. | 17:54 |
| lcuk | which i should really push another update out for | 17:55 |
| lcuk | drizztbsd, its the framework and apps i have created whilst i have been poking around maemo | 17:56 |
| kerio | search "inverse augumented reality" on youtube | 17:57 |
| Stskeeps | MNZ: we upstream everything (SGX excepted) | 17:57 |
| Stskeeps | MNZ: so we take upstream, while upstream proceeds, we backport patches | 17:57 |
| lcuk | kerio, tis just a fraction, but gives a good start :) | 17:57 |
| lcuk | link here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjSrwpbxyAM | 17:57 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, so the live call stuff | 17:58 |
| lcuk | does that still need upstreaming? | 17:58 |
| SpeedEvil | This is a killer feature for a new n900 case. | 17:58 |
| lcuk | into ofono? | 17:58 |
| SpeedEvil | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E7X0_6o9J10 | 17:58 |
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| lcuk | SpeedEvil, n900 can already fly through windows | 17:58 |
| lcuk | and with n900fly you can tell how high it was as well :P | 17:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer | WTF! | 18:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer | lcuk: you noticed the telltale red lamps? | 18:02 |
| MNZ | Stskeeps, which version of the kernel is meego currently using? | 18:02 |
| lcuk | DocScrutinizer, on which? | 18:03 |
| Stskeeps | MNZ: 2.6.35 | 18:03 |
| kerio | lcuk: heh | 18:03 |
| kerio | the quadrocopter | 18:03 |
| lcuk | DocScrutinizer, oh ohhhh ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh... | 18:03 |
| MNZ | lcuk, that kinetic scrolling in the liqbase calendar video... is it part of liqbase or the hildon framework default? | 18:04 |
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| lcuk | mnz liqbase | 18:05 |
| MNZ | lcuk, just wondering why you can't get this into hildon and save many innocent lives from the torture of broken kinetic scrolling? | 18:06 |
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| MNZ | or is integration not that easy? | 18:06 |
| kerio | integration would require 3 lights constantly in front of the n900 | 18:06 |
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| X-Fade | MNZ: Check out MohammadAG's SSU. | 18:06 |
| X-Fade | MNZ: Contains a lot of hildon fixes. | 18:07 |
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| MNZ | X-Fade, so kinetic scrolling is actually smooth now? | 18:07 |
| MohammadAG51 | #maemo-ssu | 18:07 |
| lcuk | mnz :) the algorithm is simple but implementation within gtk isn't so simple - as X-Fade says try the hildon update from MohammadAG51 but afaik it still doesnt change generic scrolling behaviour but just on the app list | 18:07 |
| MohammadAG51 | nope, that's a driver problem | 18:08 |
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| MNZ | MohammadAG, driver problem. Care to explain? | 18:08 |
| MohammadAG51 | there's a bug report | 18:08 |
| MohammadAG51 | the SGX doesn't support vsync or sth | 18:08 |
| MohammadAG51 | I think it's a WONFIX | 18:08 |
| Stskeeps | for maemo | 18:09 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 18:09 |
| MNZ | oh no I don't really care about the graphics | 18:09 |
| Stskeeps | i have an image with vsync working, just not integrated in maemo yet | 18:09 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 18:09 |
| MohammadAG51 | well, yes, for Maemo 5 | 18:09 |
| Stskeeps | er, meego | 18:09 |
| MohammadAG51 | Stskeeps, distributable? | 18:09 |
| MNZ | I mean the scrolling itself | 18:09 |
| MohammadAG51 | the scrolling is smoother on the sdk | 18:09 |
| lcuk | MNZ, :) like sliding on bacon fat isnt it | 18:09 |
| lcuk | MohammadAG51, how did you find the scrolling on your tablet? | 18:09 |
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| MNZ | lcuk, yes! I was really surprised when you scrolled the calendar! | 18:10 |
| MohammadAG51 | my tablet isn't with me, left it in jordan | 18:10 |
| MohammadAG51 | there's an identical one here though | 18:10 |
| MohammadAG51 | but with XP :/ | 18:10 |
| Stskeeps | MohammadAG51: licensing still under work (goes for any sgx) | 18:10 |
| MohammadAG51 | Stskeeps, so you can't post it here right? | 18:10 |
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| n900-space | hi everyone | 18:10 |
| n900-space | is there a way to keep the n900 display lit all the time .. like no timeout for display going off? | 18:11 |
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| MohammadAG51 | the brightness applet allows that | 18:11 |
| lcuk | n900-space, install the backlight applet, its got a little tickbox nobble just for this | 18:11 |
| MohammadAG51 | otherwise, you could use a bash script in terminal | 18:11 |
| lcuk | or in the settings, tick "keep display lit when charging" | 18:11 |
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| E0x | maybe i get used to the bug but i don't see the problem with the scrolling in the n900 | 18:12 |
| E0x | what is it ? | 18:12 |
| kerio | BACON!!!!! | 18:12 |
| MohammadAG51 | it's not smooth | 18:12 |
| MohammadAG51 | see Android's and the iPhone's scrolling | 18:12 |
| MohammadAG51 | or liqbase for that matter | 18:12 |
| kerio | the iphone's scrolling is ridiculously smooth | 18:12 |
| MohammadAG51 | indeed | 18:13 |
| E0x | smooth when is rolling or when you drag the finger to scroll it ? | 18:13 |
| n900-space | where is that script to keep it lit MohammadAG51 ? | 18:13 |
| MohammadAG51 | n900-space, no where, you make it :P | 18:13 |
| n900-space | and thanks lcuk i'll try that too, it'll be available from the app manager right ? | 18:13 |
| MohammadAG51 | E0x, see liqcalendar | 18:13 |
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| lcuk | n900-space, yes | 18:14 |
| n900-space | MohammadAG51: gimme hint then, what libs and stuff, what apis? | 18:14 |
| MNZ | E0x, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AeVPddxHW84&NR=1 <- liqcalendar | 18:14 |
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| n900-space | is blacklight applet's source available lcuk? | 18:14 |
| MohammadAG51 | n900-space, none, echo crap into /sys | 18:14 |
| n900-space | aha | 18:14 |
| n900-space | ok | 18:14 |
| MohammadAG51 | or just kill mce | 18:15 |
| E0x | ok | 18:15 |
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| lcuk | n900-space, yes it is | 18:15 |
| lcuk | :) lots of the system and most community stuff is | 18:16 |
| E0x | i see now , i thought that was because so sort of sencibility settings | 18:16 |
| E0x | too low | 18:16 |
| E0x | in touch screen | 18:16 |
| n900-space | yup :) | 18:16 |
| lcuk | MohammadAG51, what would be good for the kinetic patch | 18:16 |
| E0x | but still i think the speed is OK for me | 18:16 |
| lcuk | would be to make it a gconf option | 18:16 |
| lcuk | to follow later with a configurator | 18:16 |
| MohammadAG51 | lcuk, madam did that, not gconf though | 18:17 |
| MohammadAG51 | it's not configurable in /usr/share/hildon-desktop/transitions.ini | 18:17 |
| E0x | btw what exactly is liqbase ? | 18:17 |
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| lcuk | <drizztbsd> what is liqbase :D | 18:18 |
| lcuk | <lcuk> my sleeping mind. | 18:18 |
| lcuk | <lcuk> which i should really push another update out for | 18:18 |
| lcuk | <lcuk> drizztbsd, its the framework and apps i have created whilst i have been poking around maemo | 18:18 |
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| * E0x watching http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PUPp_mE7rwI | 18:20 | |
| lcuk | MohammadAG51, "its not configurable" or its now configurable | 18:20 |
| MohammadAG51 | now | 18:20 |
| MohammadAG51 | oh, my bad | 18:20 |
| MohammadAG51 | yay | 18:20 |
| MohammadAG51 | hal.dll missing | 18:20 |
| MohammadAG51 | wtf does that mean | 18:20 |
| lcuk | in windows thats bad | 18:21 |
| lcuk | E0x, o_O that was my first video :) | 18:21 |
| * Stskeeps notes that wives who can read your mind is good occasionally | 18:21 | |
| Stskeeps | "should we have pizza?" in a text message | 18:21 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 18:21 |
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| MohammadAG51 | LOL | 18:21 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, :D | 18:21 |
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| MohammadAG51 | lcuk, yeah | 18:22 |
| lcuk | whats worse however is she had to text you to ask that although she is sat on couch at side of you :P | 18:22 |
| MohammadAG51 | neither windows nor ubuntu are booting up | 18:22 |
| MNZ | lcuk, can you point me at liqbase source and the appropriate parts about the scrolling awesomeness? | 18:22 |
| MohammadAG51 | kernel panic, nice | 18:22 |
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| E0x | lcuk: then how you do this : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjSrwpbxyAM ? | 18:23 |
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| lcuk | E0x, you tell me | 18:24 |
| E0x | hehe | 18:24 |
| E0x | what is the thing flircking over teh screen ? | 18:25 |
| lcuk | MNZ, http://github.com/lcuk/libliqbase/blob/master/src/liqcell_easypaint.c#L540 is called once per frame for components with a kinetic element | 18:26 |
| E0x | look like 3 dot green | 18:26 |
| lcuk | it boils off the energy added | 18:26 |
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| MNZ | lcuk, thanks | 18:26 |
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| MNZ | lcuk, is that all or is there more to it? | 18:27 |
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| lcuk | mnz, thats it for removing the kinetics, it simply reduces the amount of remaining kinetic energy by 1 each frame | 18:28 |
| lcuk | adding kinetics has a bit of filtering to remove trailing end of a stroke to ensure its not jumpy | 18:28 |
| lcuk | but nothing special | 18:29 |
| MNZ | but where do you calculate the initial amount of energy? | 18:29 |
| lcuk | http://github.com/lcuk/libliqbase/blob/master/src/liqcell_easyhandler_kinetic.c | 18:29 |
| lcuk | based on mouse deltas given | 18:29 |
| lcuk | so last mouse events had 10 pixels, kinetic is 10 unit | 18:29 |
| lcuk | sso then for the next 10 frames it will jump | 18:29 |
| lcuk | first 10 pixels, then 9,8,7,6,5,4,3,2,1 | 18:30 |
| lcuk | the algo is not complex at all | 18:30 |
| MNZ | not complex and works like a charm | 18:30 |
| lcuk | on faster computers it boils off faster | 18:30 |
| lcuk | on slower ones, well you have seen | 18:30 |
| lcuk | it still works | 18:30 |
| MNZ | yeah, it's frame rate dependent, will think about that later though | 18:30 |
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| lcuk | mnz, it would be trivial to change it from linear to based on time fractions | 18:31 |
| lcuk | but i neve rsaw the point | 18:31 |
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| MNZ | yeah I understand, it's not a big deal. It's just about how to use this same method in hildon. | 18:32 |
| MNZ | has someone attempted this before? | 18:32 |
| lcuk | its been discussed at different times yeah | 18:33 |
| lcuk | hence the tweaking and stuff in hildon itself | 18:33 |
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| MNZ | and the end result of discussions...? | 18:33 |
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| lcuk | its been changed | 18:33 |
| lcuk | and we now have 2 versions :P | 18:33 |
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| lcuk | one official hildon one which lots seem happy with based on rendering speed etc | 18:34 |
| lcuk | and the other that MohammadAG51 likes | 18:34 |
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| MNZ | is this the one in the SSU that MohammadAG51 likes? AIUI the scrolling is just smoother for the menu | 18:35 |
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| lcuk | yes mnz, this change has to my knowledge not been attempted direct in gtk | 18:35 |
| lcuk | so wouldnt change (for ex) the normal lists | 18:35 |
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| MohammadAG51 | slow scrolling in the contacts list or similar stopped annoying me | 18:35 |
| MohammadAG51 | it's not a hildon issue, it's an SGX one | 18:35 |
| MNZ | ok, so I won't be duplicating effort. good to know | 18:36 |
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| MNZ | MohammadAG51, again, not talking about graphics. I don't care about it. I want the scrolling to be faster/smoother | 18:36 |
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| MNZ | it's really weird in the current state IMHO. It'd be going really fast then suddenly tumble over like a trailer truck with full brakes on | 18:38 |
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| lcuk | Stskeeps, you mentioned new sgx driver on some meego n900 image. i am guessing that would be compatible with hildon | 18:39 |
| lcuk | with maemo | 18:39 |
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| Stskeeps | hildon wouldnt benefit from it. compositoright | 18:41 |
| lcuk | hence me fixing the line | 18:41 |
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| lcuk | the sgx binary on maemo i mean | 18:41 |
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| lcuk | <Stskeeps> i have an image with vsync working, just not integrated in [meego] yet | 18:42 |
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| secyritas | i would love to see vsync in maemo 5 ported from meego | 18:46 |
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| tobis87 | Stskeeps: Do you know why OMAP_DMA_DATA_BURST_4 is comment out in drivers/mtd/nand/omap-hw.c? I ask this because the omap-aes driver has dma problems, is it known to be broken? | 19:07 |
| Stskeeps | no | 19:07 |
| Stskeeps | (i have no idea about kernel code) | 19:07 |
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| tobis87 | Ok, thanks. Maybe i should just try to comment it out as well... but this would be a huge hit on performance, i suspect about 30% | 19:09 |
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| tobis87 | OMAP_DMA_DATA_BURST_4 and OMAP_DMA_DATA_BURST_8 are comment out, I found OMAP_DMA_DATA_BURST_16 in omap-pcm.c, which is not comment out, so I suspect it is safe. Anyone know what this is, diffrent dma burst modes? | 19:12 |
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| tobis87 | As i have suspected, different modes of burst; BURST_4 & BURST_8 are defined as burst = 0x2; and BURST_16 is defined as burst = 0x3; for omap3 | 19:19 |
| lcuk | tobis87, hmm i don't hear much about DMA burst modes | 19:20 |
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| tobis87 | lcuk: http://lxr.free-electrons.com/source/arch/arm/plat-omap/dma.c omap_set_dma_src_burst_mode omap_set_dma_dest_burst_mode | 19:22 |
| lcuk | tobis87, i realise the code is there, what i meant was i dont hear many people talking about it in polite conversation | 19:23 |
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| tobis87 | lcuk: I don't know what it does, so I put it in here in hope someone knows and can help me with it. | 19:25 |
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| lcuk | indeed tobis87 | 19:27 |
| lcuk | tobis87, perhaps for this discussion you will be best on the maemo-dev mailing list | 19:28 |
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| tobis87 | lcuk: Do you mean this mailing list? It seems to be about 95% releated to programs, http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-developers/2010-August/date.html | 19:31 |
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| lcuk | tobis87, so stand out from the crowd and make a post to it which asks the right question and gets attention required. | 19:38 |
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| tobis87 | lcuk: Ok, I will consider this... It is by the way an interesting find, it is the only piece commented out I found (+//) in the kernel patch... I therefore suspect it is a hardware flaw, the nand could be accessed faster in burst mode. | 19:42 |
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| kerio | hey, GPLed ps3 jailbreak | 19:42 |
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| microlith | which will work until the next firwmare update I expect | 19:47 |
| kerio | hmm... it's something that happens before the OS is loaded, i think | 19:47 |
| kerio | heap overflow with the usb hw code | 19:47 |
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| microlith | yeah, iirc it spams the system with usb devices connecting and disconnecting | 19:51 |
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| lcuk | hey, has anyone noticed any scripts/investigation ongoing related to directly booting n900 and using external MMC only - ie totally ignoring the original eMMC and perhaps doing full dualboot onto a self contained external MMC | 19:55 |
| Venemo | hi guys | 19:56 |
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| Venemo | lcuk: ask the NITdroid guys | 19:56 |
| lcuk | bah, i meant maemo | 19:56 |
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| jamesw | hi | 19:57 |
| jamesw | can i ask n900 questions in here? | 19:57 |
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| microlith | yes | 19:58 |
| Venemo | lcuk: yes, but they may have experience with how to boot an OS from the MMC | 19:58 |
| lcuk | Venemo, OS boot is secondary | 19:58 |
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| lcuk | assume broken eMMC | 19:58 |
| Venemo | jamesw: hi | 19:58 |
| Venemo | jamesw: yes, of course | 19:58 |
| lcuk | and still wanting n900 to happily work | 19:58 |
| lcuk | using the external mmc as storage and opt space | 19:58 |
| jamesw | i just got an n900 after eying it for a long time, really loving it. my device screen says i have 10.2010.19-1.002 but i've seen version numbers reported as PR1.2 or such, can someone please help me interpret that? | 20:00 |
| lcuk | yes | 20:00 |
| lcuk | thats pr1.2 | 20:00 |
| lcuk | it was released on week19 | 20:00 |
| jamesw | so is there another version label i should go off of somewhere? | 20:01 |
| Venemo | lcuk: ah, interesing... | 20:01 |
| Venemo | lcuk: is your eMMC broken? | 20:01 |
| jamesw | i don't see "skype video call" in my contact view :( | 20:02 |
| lcuk | no but its something that has been raised in a discussion | 20:02 |
| lcuk | jamesw, the contact you want to call has to be skype compatable afaik but I do not know the specifics | 20:03 |
| lcuk | the button is shown only with whatever the criteria are | 20:03 |
| jamesw | yeah… he's on desktop skype he said.. and i see the option to call him, audio skype calls work | 20:03 |
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| luke-jr | jamesw: Skype video call isn't really usable | 20:04 |
| luke-jr | it only works if the other person also has N900 | 20:05 |
| luke-jr | or the latest Windows beta | 20:05 |
| jamesw | "Remember that you can only video call Skype-to-Skype with a contact who’s using either a Nokia N900 or Skype 4.2 for Windows (or later versions)." https://support.skype.com/faq/FA10610/How-do-I-make-a-Skype-video-call-with-the-Nokia-N900?frompage=category | 20:05 |
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| jamesw | okay i see the option on another contact | 20:06 |
| jamesw | interesting. thanks guys. i'm sure i'll be back and i'll get to know everyone. :) | 20:06 |
| jamesw | looking forward to being a member in the community | 20:07 |
| jamesw | ttyl | 20:07 |
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| satmd | from Jamesw's link | 20:17 |
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| satmd | there's plans for a new firmware in near time? | 20:17 |
| satmd | it says August 2010 | 20:17 |
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| jacekowski | satmd: no | 20:28 |
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| Milhouse | satmd: maybe, look at the last comment on bug 10294. | 20:30 |
| povbot` | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10294 Email desktop widget does not display mails from Nokia Messaging accounts | 20:30 |
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| * satmd is so hoping, bug 11182 is getting a serious look, too | 20:34 | |
| povbot` | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11182 EAP-TLS warning "certificate not valid currently" | 20:34 |
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| * luke-jr wonders if SkypeKit would work with N900 video | 20:47 | |
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| drizztbsd | i have a big problem, my n900 is too discharged and it won't charge anymore | 20:49 |
| Stskeeps | did you play around with overclocking or nitdroid? | 20:49 |
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| Stskeeps | :P | 20:49 |
| drizztbsd | nitdroid :P | 20:49 |
| Stskeeps | get another device to charge it in | 20:50 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 20:50 |
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| drizztbsd | uhm sh*t | 20:50 |
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| drizztbsd | is there any other way to charge that battery? | 20:50 |
| Stskeeps | well, reflash maemo | 20:50 |
| drizztbsd | Suitable USB device not found, waiting. | 20:50 |
| luke-jr | drizztbsd: the dead-charge won't work⁇ | 20:52 |
| Stskeeps | drizztbsd: best thing you can do is to put it on wall charger | 20:52 |
| jacekowski | drizztbsd: connect it to normal charger | 20:52 |
| jacekowski | drizztbsd: and DON'T touch | 20:52 |
| jacekowski | drizztbsd: it will go into emergency charge mode and charge | 20:52 |
| drizztbsd | so I have to see it to reboot 100 times :P ? | 20:53 |
| jacekowski | drizztbsd: if you touch it it will charge little bit | 20:53 |
| jacekowski | drizztbsd: not enough to boot | 20:53 |
| jacekowski | bilboed: but enough to don't initiate emergency charge | 20:53 |
| jacekowski | drizztbsd: well, you have to wait then | 20:53 |
| jacekowski | or you are experiencing reboot loop | 20:54 |
| jacekowski | and flashing will help | 20:54 |
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| drizztbsd | i have a reboot loop | 20:54 |
| GAN900 | Anybody else have weirdness with their term history? | 20:54 |
| Stskeeps | in maemo? | 20:54 |
| Stskeeps | occasionally | 20:54 |
| GAN900 | It only remembers stuff from, like, 3 months ago | 20:55 |
| jacekowski | GAN900: yes | 20:55 |
| jacekowski | GAN900: it only stores couple entries | 20:55 |
| GAN900 | Or sometimes it'll remember stuff from a few weeks ago | 20:55 |
| jacekowski | hmm, no | 20:55 |
| GAN900 | Then goes back to 3 months ago. | 20:55 |
| merlincorey | it will only "remember" stuff if you properly exit the shell | 20:56 |
| merlincorey | by typing exit; at least in my experience | 20:56 |
| merlincorey | and the history is very short | 20:56 |
| merlincorey | so I type in the few things I need most, then exit, and never exit again :P | 20:56 |
| jpinx-eeepc | I am not sure, but if you open 2 shells it might cause it to have selective memory too | 20:57 |
| GAN900 | Ah, well | 20:57 |
| GAN900 | I usually hit the x | 20:57 |
| GAN900 | Obnoxious setup, that. | 20:58 |
| jpinx-eeepc | GAN900: that's basically crashing the window ;) | 20:58 |
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| jpinx-eeepc | why will my clock not rotate to portrait? | 20:58 |
| GAN900 | jpinx-eeepc, clearly an implementation bug. | 20:59 |
| jpinx-eeepc | there's a few ;) | 20:59 |
| jpinx-eeepc | calender won't scroll a week at a time when showing the month | 21:00 |
| jpinx-eeepc | stuff like that | 21:00 |
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| MNZ | Clutter. How aptly named. | 21:02 |
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| lcuk | GAN900, 2 things: i notice when I ssh from n900 if i just close the xterm by its x, it doesnt save the history | 21:05 |
| lcuk | and at some point i have noticed some user permissions thing | 21:05 |
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| SwedeMike | lcuk: yes, it seems pressing X to close will forcably close it without it saving history, using "exit" saves history. | 21:06 |
| drizztbsd | I have now the orange led always on | 21:07 |
| drizztbsd | is the emergency charging? | 21:08 |
| lcuk | SwedeMike, guessing also same goes for sudo gainroot stuff | 21:08 |
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| Venemo | SwedeMike: yes, it works that way | 21:09 |
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| drizztbsd | uhm | 21:14 |
| drizztbsd | can I make a simple BL-5J charger? maybe using another one? :) | 21:14 |
| Venemo | drizztbsd: yes, you can | 21:16 |
| Venemo | drizztbsd: see the "charging from dumb power sources" thread on TMO | 21:16 |
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| johnsq | Hi | 21:22 |
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| Venemo | johnsq: hi | 21:23 |
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| TomaszD | jacekowski, was it you who recommended an external battery charger for the freerunner? | 21:24 |
| jacekowski | no | 21:24 |
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| jacekowski | i charge my batteries with power supply | 21:25 |
| jacekowski | with current/voltage limiter | 21:25 |
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| drizztbsd | jacekowski: how? | 21:29 |
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| jacekowski | well, just connect battery to power supply | 21:31 |
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| jacekowski | set limiter to 900mA as a safe current | 21:31 |
| jacekowski | and nominal battery voltage | 21:31 |
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| pupnik | http://blogs.forbes.com/andygreenberg/2010/08/24/full-body-scan-technology-deployed-in-street-roving-vans/ [ Full-Body Scan Technology Deployed In Street-Roving Vans - Andy Greenberg - The Firewall - Forbes ] | 21:32 |
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| GAN900 | pupnik, the only people who should fear that are criminals. :P | 21:36 |
| pupnik | and everyone who is forced to pay for it should hate it | 21:37 |
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| GAN900 | pupnik, hate it? But surely it's keeping you safe from said body-scan-truck fearing criminals. | 21:44 |
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| derf | GAN900: Criminals and those who haven't gotten their healthy dose of backscatter radiation at the dentist. | 21:45 |
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| andax | merlincorey: you could add a line in your bashrc that moves the bash_history with a timestamp in its name to a separate folder | 21:45 |
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| andax | everytime you login/logout | 21:45 |
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| TomaszD | Stskeeps, around? | 21:47 |
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| Stskeeps | TomaszD: sortof | 21:48 |
| TomaszD | Stskeeps, http://picasaweb.google.com/piotr1982r/XIIWRPPasEk2729082010#5511873260724279938 onwards :) | 21:49 |
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| Stskeeps | ah, the photos of your trip to the roads of warsaw ;) | 21:49 |
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| TomaszD | the small 4x4 with the softtop is ours | 21:49 |
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| trumee | since smoku has stopped coding for maemo the sixaxis-support sources is also gone. Is there are backup of sixaxis-support sources? | 22:09 |
| trumee | http://github.com/smokku/sixaxis-support is empty | 22:09 |
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| lcuk | trumee, did he push to -devel? | 22:13 |
| lcuk | if so, the sources will be on maemo.org repository in a convenient tar.gz, whats the package name | 22:13 |
| trumee | lcuk: sixaxis-support | 22:14 |
| lcuk | trumee, | 22:14 |
| lcuk | http://maemo.org/packages/source/view/fremantle_extras_free_source/sixaxis-support/1.2-2/ | 22:14 |
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| lcuk | so, yes :) | 22:14 |
| trumee | lcuk: ah. good. | 22:14 |
| lcuk | indeed :) | 22:15 |
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| lcuk | hmm | 22:15 |
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| trumee | lcuk: where is the source of sixad, http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras_free_armel/sixad/1.3.0-0maemo2/ ? | 22:18 |
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| lcuk | trumee, following it, that package is empty | 22:18 |
| lcuk | http://maemo.org/packages/source/view/fremantle_extras_free_source/qtsixa/1.3.0-0maemo2/ | 22:18 |
| lcuk | is where the meat is afaik | 22:18 |
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| lcuk | i just pasted the link trumee | 22:18 |
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| trumee | lcuk: so the binary of qtsixa is sixad? | 22:19 |
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| trumee | lcuk: i thought there were some changes to qtsixa and resulting code was sixad? | 22:19 |
| lcuk | trumee, yes the resulting package from qtsixa source is sixad | 22:20 |
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| lcuk | look inside the qtsixa tar.gz inside the debian/control file it is clarified | 22:20 |
| trumee | lcuk: thanks | 22:21 |
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| pupnik | using a simple 770 tablet for heads-up display http://www.marceloeduardo.com/blog/design/user-interface-design/what-i-belive-maemo-can-transformproducts | 22:34 |
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| lcuk | pupnik, and as feasible today as it was when posted in 2007! | 22:35 |
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| GAN900 | I want a HUD | 22:49 |
| GAN900 | I can't wait for the 2013 BMW M3 with MeeGo. | 22:50 |
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| lcuk | GAN900, it does actually sound good | 22:51 |
| lcuk | tho the digital speedo on my car took a while to get used to | 22:51 |
| GAN900 | Hopefully it's not completely crippled. | 22:51 |
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| lcuk | yeah, the controls in a car are perhaps the most tricky to computerise | 22:52 |
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| SpeedEvil | apt-get install tuxracer? | 22:52 |
| lcuk | is tuxrace is there | 22:53 |
| lcuk | but not tuxracer | 22:53 |
| * lcuk wonders if its the same thing | 22:53 | |
| lcuk | DocScrutinizer, the sudser author has an n900 and will test/release for it | 22:55 |
| lcuk | he mailed me this morning | 22:55 |
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| kerio | Planet Penguin Racer > Tux Racer | 22:57 |
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| lcuk | tuxrace 71mb | 22:58 |
| lcuk | build-essential is about the same size i think :D | 22:58 |
| N900brotha | so...the n900 is in a diaper commercial... what a sad end to what coulda been | 22:58 |
| Stskeeps | N900brotha: we missed you too | 22:59 |
| N900brotha | what are you referring to? | 23:00 |
| kerio | is sauerbraten ported yet? | 23:00 |
| kerio | it's a kickass FPS | 23:00 |
| lcuk | haha tuxrace is the right one and it works :D | 23:00 |
| jcrawford | damn how the heck do you ssh to the N900? I installed OpenSSH and USBNet but it keeps denying my root password | 23:00 |
| jcrawford | i did sudo gainroot | 23:00 |
| jcrawford | then passwd and set a password | 23:01 |
| jcrawford | it still will not let me in | 23:01 |
| lcuk | jcrawford, the usb side may be whats not configured correctly | 23:01 |
| lcuk | forget ssh until you know you can correctly ping it | 23:01 |
| MNZ | jcrawford, more often than not you ssh to the wrong machine..... the curse of the DHCP | 23:01 |
| SpeedEvil | you did pick a password? | 23:02 |
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| N900brotha | im surprised at the level of activity in this chat room all things considered...a cheerful bunch are we not? | 23:02 |
| MNZ | N900brotha, very | 23:03 |
| lcuk | tuxrace using just cursor keys needs switching | 23:03 |
| lcuk | hmm | 23:03 |
| jcrawford | i did set a password using the passwd command | 23:03 |
| N900brotha | any good new apps for N900 lately ? | 23:04 |
| jcrawford | how can i see from the device what the usb ip is? | 23:04 |
| Stskeeps | N900brotha: we know well who you are :P | 23:04 |
| jcrawford | i did it on my ubuntu machine and it said 192.168.2.16 | 23:04 |
| jacekowski | ifconfig | 23:04 |
| jacekowski | phone has probably .15 | 23:04 |
| jcrawford | ifconfig is not supported on the N900 | 23:04 |
| jcrawford | so says the terminal | 23:04 |
| jacekowski | it is | 23:04 |
| jacekowski | sudo gainroot | 23:04 |
| N900brotha | Stskeeps: what is this? the FBI channel? | 23:04 |
| jacekowski | and then ifconfig | 23:04 |
| jcrawford | ah | 23:04 |
| jcrawford | yea saw that :) | 23:04 |
| jcrawford | and it is *.15 | 23:04 |
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| jcrawford | still denied | 23:05 |
| jcrawford | wtf | 23:05 |
| lcuk | /sbin/ifconfig is in my history | 23:05 |
| kerio | /sbin/ifconfig works | 23:05 |
| kerio | it's just not in the path for user | 23:05 |
| lcuk | yea | 23:05 |
| N900brotha | any news on n9? | 23:05 |
| kerio | it looks like a macbook pro | 23:06 |
| kerio | apart from that, it's an upgraded n900 | 23:06 |
| Stskeeps | N900brotha: close enough | 23:06 |
| jacekowski | with omap4 | 23:06 |
| jacekowski | smp | 23:06 |
| jcrawford | so odd my computer says .15 and the device says .15 lol | 23:06 |
| N900brotha | kerio: no... its 1000 times better than n900 | 23:06 |
| jacekowski | less battery life probably | 23:06 |
| jacekowski | i suppose it can drain it in minutes now | 23:06 |
| jacekowski | not hours | 23:06 |
| N900brotha | cheer up fellas | 23:07 |
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| kerio | noooo | 23:07 |
| MNZ | kiiiick | 23:07 |
| MNZ | 3 | 23:07 |
| MNZ | 2 | 23:07 |
| MNZ | 1 | 23:07 |
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| kerio | aw | 23:08 |
| *** ChanServ sets mode: -o Stskeeps | 23:08 | |
| MNZ | awwwwwwww | 23:08 |
| Stskeeps | he was ban evading | 23:08 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 23:08 |
| Appiah | sigh | 23:08 |
| Appiah | that troll | 23:08 |
| jacekowski | Stskeeps: wtf? | 23:08 |
| MNZ | that ban you set.... I don't think it's a good idea | 23:08 |
| kerio | yeah, don't do that | 23:08 |
| kerio | IP bans are not worth it | 23:08 |
| MNZ | you just banned 65536 addresses | 23:09 |
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| Stskeeps | we had this discussion already. | 23:09 |
| SpeedEvil | MNZ: you forgot broadcast addresses | 23:09 |
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| kerio | Banning 64k addresses is not normal. On #maemo it is. | 23:10 |
| kerio | #maemo - not even once. | 23:10 |
| jacekowski | ehh | 23:10 |
| jacekowski | i used to ban /8 sometimes | 23:10 |
| jacekowski | when i was ircop on small network we used to run for game purpose | 23:10 |
| Stskeeps | kerio: it is fairly normal practice when it's a whole ISP and the person in question repeatedly trolls. | 23:10 |
| jacekowski | but we had 2k users online | 23:10 |
| MNZ | lets just ban whole countries now | 23:10 |
| Appiah | ban finland | 23:10 |
| petteri | nooo... :) | 23:11 |
| Appiah | :D | 23:11 |
| kerio | i would be really against it but i guess that registered users are still ok | 23:11 |
| Stskeeps | so, any of you backseat ops got a better idea for what would keep this guy out? | 23:11 |
| Stskeeps | check irc logs and come up with a better mask, please. | 23:11 |
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| kerio | hmm | 23:12 |
| kerio | N900brotha!*@* | 23:12 |
| Stskeeps | he changes nicks like underwear. | 23:12 |
| jacekowski | ident | 23:12 |
| mortini | and N9OObrotha? | 23:12 |
| jacekowski | ban his ident | 23:12 |
| jacekowski | or realname | 23:12 |
| Stskeeps | jacekowski: no ident on webchat, ~user is already banned. | 23:12 |
| kerio | jacekowski: not to break the news to you... idents and real names can be changed | 23:12 |
| kerio | i mean, i have my own identd | 23:12 |
| jacekowski | yeah | 23:12 |
| MNZ | can we please face reality? you know you can't really ban him | 23:12 |
| MNZ | proxies are there for a reason :/ | 23:13 |
| SpeedEvil | Identd is completely secure! | 23:13 |
| Stskeeps | proxies are detected | 23:13 |
| jacekowski | but do you think he's clever enough to change it? | 23:13 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, he is still blocked on mine | 23:13 |
| lcuk | tho i have no idea how i put him on my ignore list | 23:13 |
| lcuk | same ip as last time | 23:13 |
| lcuk | i just saw you kicked him | 23:13 |
| lcuk | then realised i had missed him ranting | 23:13 |
| MNZ | aw lets just troll the troll please. pretty please? | 23:14 |
| kerio | force a nickserv identification | 23:14 |
| lcuk | *@*74.198.8.47 YES YES YES YES YES YES NO | 23:14 |
| kerio | MNZ: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cdiz0k0Rudw | 23:14 |
| lcuk | is the ban i have for him | 23:14 |
| lcuk | and i set that up a while ago after i had enough | 23:14 |
| lcuk | ie, he dont change his ip that often | 23:14 |
| Stskeeps | just checked logs, i have several different ones for him. | 23:15 |
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| MNZ | kerio, keewus true yagho loghos? I don't get it. no seriously. I don't | 23:17 |
| kerio | really, you can quiet non-identified users | 23:18 |
| Stskeeps | kerio: sure, and cut off a large bunch of this channel too.. | 23:19 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 23:19 |
| kerio | Stskeeps: they could just, you know, register | 23:19 |
| lcuk | kerio, been there, done that got tshirt | 23:21 |
| lcuk | causes more problems | 23:21 |
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| lcuk | and theres a trickle of 74.198.* vs the amount of hassle quieting does | 23:21 |
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| lcuk | Stskeeps, in meego at least since july he has been the only 74.198er | 23:22 |
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| lcuk | kerio, sauerbraten, which gl is it written in, can it be ported? does it already run? | 23:24 |
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| nuovodna | hi, is there an OCR reader for Maemo (N900) ? | 23:26 |
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| kerio | opengl | 23:27 |
| kerio | graphically intensive though | 23:27 |
| kerio | opensource, so that's a plus | 23:27 |
| kerio | http://sauerbraten.org/ | 23:27 |
| kerio | *really* cool | 23:27 |
| kerio | it's just mindless killing | 23:28 |
| kerio | although there are some team-based modes | 23:28 |
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| Stskeeps | probably the weirdest product placement, ever: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xpe3QsZP-gE | 23:29 |
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| jcrawford | does the N900 support WebRuntime Apps? | 23:31 |
| nox- | moin | 23:32 |
| lcuk | nuovodna, i havent seen any tbh | 23:32 |
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| lcuk | and jcrawford not sure what support is where | 23:32 |
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| wazd | Stskeeps: it was really hard to find cellphone that fat to fit their "product" :D | 23:34 |
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| kerio | LOL DIAPER | 23:35 |
| kerio | they should pour the water on the n900 too | 23:35 |
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| trumee | kerio, could sauerbraten run on N900? is opengl supported? | 23:42 |
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| drizztbsd | can cold flash help me? | 23:45 |
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| MNZ | kerio, I get it. I finally do. The answer is no, no I'm not. | 23:50 |
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| drizztbsd | what is the difference of 2101 and 2201 and where can I found that product number? | 23:53 |
| lcuk | drizztbsd, -100 | 23:55 |
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| johnsq | :) | 23:56 |
| lcuk | drizztbsd, where are you reading it and have you tried normal flashing (just spotted something in scrollback | 23:56 |
| drizztbsd | yes | 23:57 |
| drizztbsd | the battery is too low | 23:57 |
| drizztbsd | and it won't charge | 23:57 |
| ZogG | loser | 23:57 |
| lcuk | ahh drizztbsd idk answer to that, people tried helping up there about it i saw though | 23:58 |
| lcuk | none of that helped i gather? | 23:58 |
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