IRC log of #maemo for Wednesday, 2010-09-01

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crashanddieJartza: try icelandic... google translate english to icelandic: "first carbon neutral volcano"00:00
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crashanddieshould give you eyjafjalajokull00:00
lcukFyrsta kolefni hlutlaus eldfjall00:00
lcukno actually00:00
Jartzathat's the name of the volcano, quite easy actually to pronounce :)00:00
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MohammadAG51Unable to open database "el-v1.db": file is encrypted or is not a database00:02
crashanddie(btw, eyjafjalajokull: 220cubic tones of co2 per day. estimated co2 produced by the planes that should've flown during the ash cloud: 350 cubic tones! First carbon neutral volcano!)00:02
MohammadAG51sure it's sqlite?00:02
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MohammadAG51afaik it's sqlite300:02
crashanddiewell, yeah00:02
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crashanddieduh :P00:02
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crashanddieMohammadAG51: from the doc "Depending how badly your database is corrupted, you may be able to recover some of the data by using the CLI to dump the schema and contents to a file and then recreate. Unfortunately, once humpty-dumpty falls off the wall, it is generally not possible to put him back together again."00:02
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vickyk73hi is it possible to retrieve a deleted wifi account on the nokia n90000:03
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crashanddievickyk73: nope, hence the use of the term "deleted"00:03
MohammadAG51sqlite3 =! sqlite00:03
MohammadAG51sqlite3 opened it00:03
MohammadAG51apparently there are errors00:03
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crashanddiehow many?00:03
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crashanddiethat's good00:04
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crashanddieMohammadAG51: your convos are safe, most of them, anyway00:04
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Jartzaluckily I have now 3 days off00:04
MohammadAG51any way to fix it?00:04
vickyk73crashanddie i upgraded my nokia n900 to the latest firmware and i lost my setting of wifi00:04
Jartzaand then back to teaching00:04
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vickyk73is it anyway to get it back00:04
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crashanddievickyk73: not that I'm aware of -- once it's gone, it's gone.00:05
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MohammadAG51lcuk, anything other than microsoft access?00:08
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crashanddieMohammadAG51: basically, you need to dump the data to a text file, then reimport it00:09
lcukactually no, I haven't seen a corrupt sqlite database and crashanddie has already pointed to a few mechanisms for recovery but google may find others00:09
MohammadAG51bah, i'll have a read tomorrow00:09
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MohammadAG51night :/00:09
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crashanddieMohammadAG51: a small python script that goes line by line over the data and then re-injects everything but the failed rows into a fresh db should do fine00:10
lcukcrashanddie, there should be automated methods already00:10
lcukto try and generate a dupe clean version00:10
* lcuk does find it surprising00:10
crashanddielcuk: not really, sqlite is used because it is so difficult to damage a db00:10
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MohammadAG51crashanddie, rtcom-messaging-ui is one awesome tool then00:11
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lcukcrashanddie, sqlite is used on local systems00:11
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MohammadAG51it corrupts it in seconds when rootfs is full00:11
lcukpeople do not really put in in harms way00:11
MohammadAG51cba to file a bug, won't be fixed anyways00:11
lcukunlike MS access where world+dog just shared it on the network00:11
lcukMohammadAG51, did you happen to look today on hildon*00:12
lcukbefore shouting00:12
MohammadAG51nope, school is a major blocker00:12
crashanddielcuk: you can have a process die in the middle of an insert/update, and maybe even pipe some stderr into the sqlpipe that sqlite would still just parse it and tell you to bugger off00:12
crashanddielcuk: the api really is excellent00:12
lcukcrashanddie, people say the same about Microsoft Access00:13
lcukits rock solid for single user00:13
MohammadAG51anyways, night00:13
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lcukgnite MohammadAG51 i will keep eye out for tools00:13
MohammadAG51ty mate00:13
crashanddieMohammadAG51: I've asked for help from the sqlite guys00:13
crashanddiewill see what gives00:14
MohammadAG51thanks :)00:14
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th3hatecould some windows user check this flasher error:
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lcukth3hate, retry potentially?00:15
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th3hatelcuk, retry what?00:16
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ToJa92[th3hate]: Where is the .bin file located?00:16
ToJa92I'd put it in the same directory as flasher00:16
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th3hateToJa92, in flashers dir00:16
lcukth3hate, running the command00:16
th3hateim quite familiar with flashing00:17
ToJa92Do you run CMD as administrator?00:17
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lcukit looks like it got partway through? try again perhaps?00:17
th3hatetryied dozen of times00:17
th3hatelooks like i bricked it00:17
ToJa92looks like it was interrupted somehow00:17
lcukpower down everything remove batt etc and try again00:18
th3hatetried that too00:18
ToJa92I'd try a different computer / a different OS then00:18
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th3hateafter removing kernel-power device entered reboot loop and denies flashing rotofs00:19
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th3hateToJa92, tired on windows xp, same error00:20
th3hatei think something in n900 is blocking flash attemp00:20
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crashanddieMohammadAG51: echo ".dump" | sqlite3 /path/to/el.db | sqlite /path/to/fixed.db00:31
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* lcuk wonders how many apps to download today01:51
SpeedEvilGotta catch them all.01:52
lcuki might investigate playing with the menus at some point again01:52
lcukthe order seems backwards to me as a user01:52
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lcuk(the graffiti wall is right for me, newest at top left, descending)01:53
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lcukif you launch an app01:53
lcukallow the menu to retain its position01:53
lcukso next time you open it you can carry on01:53
lcukmy menu is huge01:53
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jacekowskilcuk: i have that category thingy01:57
lcukjacekowski, i don't mind long menus, i just wish it was in the place I expect it to be01:57
lcukmagic button time01:58
lcuk(customers used to call us asking for specific magic buttons that used mind reading techniques to know what operator wants01:58
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zeltakevening guys02:22
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lcukhmmm n-speed03:06
lcukwho else is reminded of lotus esprit turbo challenge for its music03:06
lcukand who can get past level 103:07
konfoofor amiga?03:07
lcukkonfoo, n-speed on maemo03:08
lcukin repositories03:08
konfooah there was a lotus challenge on the amiga made by Titus03:08
lcukand i did mean lotus esprit challenge 2 or 3 probably :$03:08
konfooway back when03:08
lcukthe music for it sounds like the mod it had03:08
* lcuk couldnt remember whi it was by03:08
lcuki just settled down to play03:08
konfooor tight ass as everyone used to call them :)03:08
konfoothose were killer gfx back in the day03:09
lcukwell this is fast - pseudo 3d using rotoblitter i assume03:09
konfooill have t try it :D03:09
lcukit even has a copper sky!03:10
lcukinfact, the more i hear this title tune it is the same sample set03:10
lcukthe mod that i am thinking of had a sample in it03:11
lcukrecorded low volume that said "you will not copy this game"03:11
* lcuk grabs source and looks03:11
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Aboutthegame who can tell me about how can play the game hookup3D?03:36
Aboutthegameplease help me03:37
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zeltakhi lcuk how are you?03:52
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smharit seems I am getting close to a limit, I tried updating a package and got this error:  not enough space in application install memory04:00
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smharin cbut in conky, I still have 41.75mb free in rootfs, 151.16 in home and more than 6gb in mydocs04:03
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ideinitdevelopment question:  I am making a Python/QT application and wish to capture hardware volume keys.  Is there a python/pyqt binding for doing that?04:24
johnxsmhar, was it a game?04:25
smharno, actually is a small battery utility04:26
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johnxas a side note: if you just freed a whole bunch of space on /, there might be some situations in which you need to reboot before the space frees itself, AFAIK04:28
johnxthe other thing is to make sure that everything is mounted read-write04:28
johnxif there was some kind of fs error, things may remount read-only04:28
smharhmm, will try rebooting and see04:31
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cehtehmhm you can connect a white led directly to a n900 battery .. gives lifetime lighting04:38
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cehteh(found a junk led on my desk ... lifetime of the led, lets see if it sustains more than 10 minutes :P)04:38
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johnxthe LED or the battery?04:39
cehtehthe led of course04:39
cehtehno current protection04:39
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johnxi thought voltage was the thing that broke LEDs. don't they just 'pull' as much current as they need?04:40
cehteherr wrong04:40
cehtehthey are non-linear04:40
ideinitI am making a Python/QT application and wish to capture hardware volume keys.  Is there a python/pyqt binding for doing that?  The tutorial/tips I found online all use gtk calls "_HILDON_ZOOM_KEY_ATOM"04:40
cehtehthe higher the voltage the exponentially more current they draw04:41
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johnxaaaah, got it04:41
cehtehleds have to be current regulated04:41
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cehtehwith cheap led light only the inner resistance of the battery limits the current04:42
cehtehthats why you burn them with better rechangeable accus04:42
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johnxgah. when hfs+ kills itself it *really* kills itself05:08
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scp1So have anyone got git working - I can not find it in the repos, and no one else seems to miss it.06:07
luke-jrI have git working on Gentoo06:07
luke-jryou know you want it…06:09
DhraakellianI want a mail client that isn't modest06:09
luke-jrDhraakellian: KMail!06:09
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Dhraakellian...on maemo/n900?06:10
luke-jrnot Maemo, Gentoo!06:10
DhraakellianI already use kmail on the desktop and netbook06:10
luke-jrso it will fit in on your N900 :D06:10
Dhraakellian...and I've done the whole gentoo thing06:11
luke-jremerge kmail06:11
luke-jrthen wait maybe a day06:11
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DhraakellianI'd prefer not to do it again without a really beefy machine or a compile farm of beefy machines06:11
luke-jrN900 isn't beefy enough for you?06:11
luke-jrpoor little N90006:12
scp1dhraakellian, mutt?06:12
luke-jrwhen I switched to Gentoo, my 800 MHz Pentium 3 was good06:12
luke-jr600 MHz ARM even better06:13
luke-jrtoo bad the eMMC is so slow06:13
Dhraakellianscp1: is that in extras of any flavor?06:13
* luke-jr notes there *was* a KDE 4 port to Maemo 406:14
DhraakellianI think I saw something about that a while back06:14
scp1dhraakellian, no idea mate06:14
scp1still trying to tame this stupid package manager :<06:14
* Dhraakellian just doesn't like Mutt's lack of threading06:14
scp1threading *threads* or threading as in multiple threads?06:15
* luke-jr notes there's nothing to gain from threading on N90006:15
luke-jroh, lol06:15
luke-jrforgot that kind of threading06:15
scp1if it's the first, mutt does that06:16
scp1if it's the second, I have no idea what on earth you would benefit from that on any arch :p06:16
luke-jrscp1: you realize your question made no sense, right?06:16
Dhraakellianscp1: display of messages06:16
scp1luke-jr, git? why?06:16
luke-jrbetter would have been: threading as in message flow, or as in code flow?06:16
Dhraakellianscp1: erm... I meant *Modest*'s lack of threading06:16
luke-jrand the benefit of code threading on multi-core systems is that it can use both/all/more cores06:17
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scp1I know all this mate. But look at mutt. It's not exactly something that needs much power :p06:17
luke-jrpower in, power out06:18
luke-jrif it doesn't need much power, it can't give much power!06:18
scp1power up!06:18
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Dhraakellianso let's see... mutt, htop, mc...06:24
Dhraakellianthen I'd just need to get an ncurses dialer and bsdgames06:25
luke-jrwell if you're gonna use CLI anyway, might as well go with Gentoo06:25
luke-jrit's only slow when you build KDE06:25
johnxor ... anything06:26
luke-jreverything else can build overnight06:27
johnx"hey look there's a new feature of foo out! guess I'll have to remember to start building it overnight so that I can use it sometime tomorrow if I remember!"06:28
Dhraakellianwell, at least htop and mc can use the stylus for some things06:28
Dhraakelliancan mut?06:28
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luke-jrjohnx: or you can wait weeks for someone to port it to Maemo and get it into extras ;)06:29
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luke-jrand since the port will probably never get into upstream, since it's hacky by nature, when Maemo 5 is completely abandoned, you'll be dead in the water06:31
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johnxluke-jr, I don't see how waiting for someone to make a 'port-file' or 'recipe' or whatever for it is any different than a .deb06:33
johnxanyways, tell me when you have dialer in gentoo that works on the N90006:33
luke-jrmaking ebuilds is easy06:33
luke-jrmaking a .deb for Maemo is not06:33
johnxmade both. don't see much difference06:34
luke-jrjohnx: the telepathy-qt4 example should work fine06:34
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johnxand you're not using it because ... ?06:34
luke-jrbecause I haven't bothered to06:34
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johnxreal convincing06:34
luke-jrit's not like dialer does anything more complex than my desktop on N90006:35
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luke-jr100% of my phone service is SIP (or IAX2)06:36
Dhraakellianhmm... mutt is in extras-devel06:37
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Dhraakellianhmm... "no applications available"07:00
scp1apt-get update && apt-get install mutt # should do it07:00
scp1But I'm just ssh'ing to the server where I have my mutt already configured and running07:01
scp1that's probably easier for you as well07:01
Dhraakellianyarr, but...07:02
Dhraakellianapt-get update07:02
scp1fails? yeah, I know07:02
DhraakellianE: Could not open lock file /var/lib/apt/lists/lock - open (2 No such file or directory)07:02
DhraakellianE: Unable to lock the list directory07:02
MohammadAG51touch /var/lib/apt/lists/lock07:03
scp1are you trying to run two package manangers at the same time? That's what the lock should prevent :p07:03
Dhraakellianah, yes, atrp, faster than jfgi sometimes07:03
* Dhraakellian was seriously about to jfgi07:03
MohammadAG51scp1, it's not locked, the lock file isn't there :p07:04
scp1That was my point :p07:04
MohammadAG51it's not caused by two managers07:04
DhraakellianI thought I had closed it...07:04
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MohammadAG51it's caused by one failing07:04
scp1I see07:04
Dhraakellianor wait... memory playing tricks on me now07:04
DhraakellianWed Sep  1 00:04:49 EDT 201007:04
Dhraakellianthat might be why07:04
scp1apt seems to fail quite a bit07:04
scp1do you have super cow powers?07:07
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scp1btw, I managed to get the proper coreutils to be used by default, it was just a $PATH issue. /usr/bin/gnu/ wasnt expected though07:08
Dhraakellianheh... had to do a mkdir first07:09
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Dhraakellian...and after all that, I forgot to reenable extras-devel07:14
Dhraakellianreenabled in app manager07:16
Dhraakellian...and now package management is locked07:16
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MohammadAG51Dhraakellian, killall apt-worker07:19
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cehteh.. patience ...07:21
* scp1 plays 'Double Talkin' Jive' for cehteh 07:23
Dhraakellianmutt: Depends: slang1a-utf8 (> 1.4.9dbs-4) but it is not installable07:23
DhraakellianAnd I'm going home07:26
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DocScrutinizer*cough* moo07:58
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DocScrutinizerI see hope again for hostmode, paul actively participating now08:03
DocScrutinizerat least until it turns out Nokia isn't capable to send devices to Russia :-S08:03
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* RST38h moos in the morning fog08:11
RST38hStskeeps: how are things?08:11
johnxRST38h, m00f08:11
* DocScrutinizer coughs a lil more08:12
* johnx recovers "important business documents" from an HFS+ fs08:12
RST38hjohnx: heya08:12
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johnxRST38h, how's it going? still summer over there?08:13
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RST38hjohnx: Thankfully, no.08:13
RST38hjohnx: 13oC, cloudy08:14
DocScrutinizer~weather EDDN08:14
infobotNuernberg, Germany; (EDDN) 49-30N 011-03E 318M; last updated: 2010.09.01 0450 UTC; Dew Point: 46 F (8 C); Pressure (altimeter): 30.09 in. Hg (1019 hPa); Relative Humidity: 100%; Sky conditions: mostly cloudy; Temperature: 46 F (8 C); Visibility: greater than 7 mile(s); Wind: from the ESE (110 degrees) at 3 MPH (3 KT)08:14
RST38hjohnx: Had enough summer for this year.08:15
johnxDocScrutinizer, soooo, you're saying I don't need to ask you "how's the weather?"08:15
DocScrutinizerI could suggest thefuckingweather.com08:15
johnxRST38h, 9 months of overcast and drizzle for me, starting ... now08:15
DocScrutinizerthey're usually right08:15
johnxit'd be awesome if they did some basic geolocation08:16
RST38hjohnx: Same here08:16
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RST38hjohnx: except that the drizzle will become snow at some point.08:17
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johnxon the one hand, a snow day generally closes down the office. on the other hand a snow day generally closes down the *power* to the office08:17
johnxsoooo, mixed feelings on snow08:18
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DocScrutinizeras long as it's not blackouting your internet provider and gsm carrier ;-)08:19
RST38hjohnx: nothing like that here08:19
RST38hjohnx: or the place would be shuttered for half of the winter08:20
johnxDocScrutinizer, generally GSM is fine, and the power at my house seems more reliable than the power at work ...08:20
DocScrutinizerRST38h: how is shipping from Nokia to your place, usually?08:21
johnxRST38h, oh, it's not *every* office here, just our little block of converted warehouses08:21
DocScrutinizerjohnx: sorry I have to say that, but: sounds like USA08:22
johnxsounds like the wrong priorities in real estate shopping to me, but I didn't have a say08:22
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johnxI have a funny feeling you can find buildings with poor wiring no matter what part of the world you're in08:23
DocScrutinizernah, not here :-P08:23
DocScrutinizeryou know we're THE KRAUTS08:24
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johnxDocScrutinizer, uh huh. not sure I entirely believe that :P08:26
DocScrutinizerthe electricians I had the pleasure to learn to know in New Orleans some 25 years ago, well they probably weren't allowed to plug in thei own electric shaver here in Germany08:27
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johnxheh. actually that reminds me of visiting the mozilla/maemo thing in copenhagen and plugging a US power strip into an EU->US plug adapter, so we had a US powerstrip spitting out 220v08:29
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johnxit arced something fierce when you plugged anything into it08:29
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johnxscared the natives :>08:29
johnxDocScrutinizer, I think I just failed to prove my point08:30
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johnxbut suffice to say the people who wired the office I work in would get a "very poor" rating even by my standards08:30
slonopotamuseveryone, quick, stop writing damn incompatible and hell knows for what version kernel patches for n8x0. you're just adding more mess.08:32
* slonopotamus found one more set of patches, on top of 2.6.34-rc208:32
DocScrutinizerodds are in Germany you're going to do some years in jail, for delivering such poor standards as an electrician08:33
RST38hDoc: Shipping? Very easy. I travel to US, get the package there, then travel back.08:33
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johnxso, the RST38h courier service? I'd trust that over UPS ...08:33
DocScrutinizerRST38h: not by any chance and incident you're going to do that any time soon?08:34
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RST38hjohnx: Well, when it comes to going through .RU customs, any time08:34
RST38hDoc: Like, this Saturday. Why?08:34
DocScrutinizerdamn, seems Nokia sees no way to ship a devel device to Moskow08:35
DocScrutinizerto Paul08:35
RST38hThere is an easier way08:35
RST38hDoc: I have got a devel device here that I need to return to Nokia08:35
DocScrutinizerthis saturday would be really really great08:35
RST38hDoc: Talk to Quim. If Quim says "yes", I can pass it to whoever Quim names.08:35
DocScrutinizerRST38h: that's great, mate :-D08:36
RST38hDoc: Just, please, do it TODAY, ok? Because otherwise, I will send it back to Nokia once I go to the US08:36
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DocScrutinizerI'll try to get into contact to everybody involved08:36
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* Dhraakellian decides not to mess with stuff anymore for the night/morning08:40
* Dhraakellian comments out extras-testing and -devel until he specifically needs something from them again08:41
johnxDhraakellian, you win the common sense award! yay!08:41
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* scp1 have just spent 30 min porting a mplayer daemon to maemo, and it works!08:41
* Dhraakellian misses zypper08:42
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Surfascp1, hooray, what are you going to do with it?08:42
Dhraakelliansee, with zypper, I could've just done rootsh zypper mr -d repoalias08:42
Dhraakellianwouldn't have had to edit a sources.list file and apt-get update08:42
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* Dhraakellian wonders if it'd be possible to get zypper running on maemo/dpkg08:43
scp1surfa, I use it all the time on all boxes, for example, I'm streaming all my music from the main server, so I can just rmcd -l shiva and then I can go and do something else. It works on local files and other radio stations etc as well.. Very handy imo08:43
RST38hDhra: probably not08:44
RST38hDhra: on the other hand, enabling extras-testing is perfectly ok08:44
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RST38hBy not enabling it, you will be missing on a lot of useful software08:44
DocScrutinizeromfg, where's gan900?08:44
scp1> root08:45
scp1Illegal instruction08:45
DocScrutinizersure, but usually his IRC avatar never sleeps08:45
DocScrutinizerGeneralAntilles: ping08:46
Dhraakellianhmm... I think zypper/libzypp can work on top of deb/dpkg08:47
DocScrutinizerumm, maybe08:47
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DocScrutinizerDhraakellian: you prefer zypper over the incredible awesomeness of apt-get? X-D08:49
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DhraakellianDocScrutinizer: zypper is also a tad more concise, which is nice on the thumbboard08:49
Dhraakellianand it also doesn't have that annoying hyphen in the command name08:49
DocScrutinizerusually people are asking for ` alias apt-get=zypper`, for meego :-D08:50
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* Dhraakellian uses openSUSE 11.2 and 11.3 on the desktop and netbook, respectively08:50
DocScrutinizersame here08:50
Dhraakellianand the Desktop will probably be getting 11.3 this weekend, coinciding with a massive harddrive upgrade08:51
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johnxopensuse and I don't always really get along ...08:53
* Dhraakellian remembers bad old days when (open)SUSE package management was dead slow, even/especially from the commandline08:54
Dhraakellianand it still might not always be quite so fast as apt-get, but then again, it does check for repo updates every time unless you tell it not to08:54
Dhraakellianbut other than that, it's pretty good08:54
DocScrutinizer>>yeah, but it's so slooooow<< They need to overclock their N900 for getting done the 5500 Zypper commands per day, if ever they move to meego :-P08:56
johnxI mainly fought with network config on a server, but part of the anger that I associate with it is probably best aimed at the vendor/consultant who listed opensuse as a requirement then changed his mind ...08:57
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DhraakellianDocScrutinizer: meh. If I'm in a hurry, I just add --no-refresh08:57
Dhraakellianon the n900, I'd probably alias that in and do zypper ref when needed08:58
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xnt14_N900O_o, telepathy irc group chat ui works :)08:58
johnxxnt14_N900, terrifying. is it reasonable to use?08:59
Dhraakellian'zypper --no-refresh ref' does indeed appear to work and refresh repos, so yeah... I'd do that aliasing08:59
xnt14_N900Johnx, hmm, looks pretty usable...08:59
Dhraakellian...unless, of course, there's a config setting to not refresh automatically08:59
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xnt14_N900No tab-completion though :(09:00
johnxxnt14_N900, do you get nick hilighting and/or some kind of alert?09:00
* Dhraakellian wants to try KDE 4.5 with plasma-mobile on his n90009:01
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* Dhraakellian does not, however, have the expertise to manually get it running himself09:01
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DocScrutinizerKDE4, what a sad example of deliberate regression on a macroscopic level09:02
johnxDocScrutinizer, you mean they didn't do a good job of regressing globally?09:03
DocScrutinizeractually they did. Seems it's the only thing they did a good job at09:04
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DhraakellianDocScrutinizer: try something later than 4.0.x09:04
Dhraakellianactually, 4.2 or later09:05
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Dhraakellianpreferably 4.509:05
* johnx always liked WindowMaker09:06
DocScrutinizerKDE4.3.1 here, still more segfaults in everything than KDE1. Not to mention all the other regressions and 'minor' bugs09:06
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scp1Isn't is possibly to use the official debian arm repos for us?09:09
scp1possible, even09:09
johnxJartza, how magic 8-balls actually work:
johnxscp1, to install things onto maemo or onto a debian chroot?09:10
scp1johnx, to maemo, I'm not sure I'd want to try the chroot again :)09:10
johnxscp1, doing that is a bit more risky than using a chroot ...09:11
scp1ouff. Why is that?09:11
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johnxscp1, because debian packages all depend on a certain set of core packages and maemo has a different set it depends on09:13
scp1I see..09:13
johnxbasically, most debian packages will probably just try to install coreutils, get halfway through replacing busybox and make your phone unbootable09:13
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fralsfwiw dpkg -i --force-all bla.deb from debian arm repo has worked the few times ive tried09:14
scp1sounds reasonable.09:14
DocScrutinizerinstalling coreutils shouldn't really impact messybox though09:14
johnxDocScrutinizer, uhm, what?09:14
DocScrutinizercoreutils-gnu doesn't do update-alternatives09:14
johnxyou mean the maemo package? or the debian package?09:15
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DocScrutinizerhmm, of course not the deb pkg09:15
johnxyou *could* probably modify a fair number of maemo packages to say they 'Provide: ' whatever the debian package needs09:16
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johnxbut IIRC, 'Provides: ' has some issue with versions, so version specific dependencies would fail09:17
johnxor something like that09:17
johnxbeen a while09:17
scp1Well, where do one modify such things? I'm so used to the simplicity of PKGBUILDS09:17
johnxget the source package, tweak its debian/control, debuild (or dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot or whatever) in the SDK09:18
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DocScrutinizerfrals: ack, same here09:18
johnxrinse, repeat09:18
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scp1Okay. This dpkg business is so darn complicated :< oh well09:18
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DocScrutinizer~seen jebba09:19
infobotjebba <~jebba@> was last seen on IRC in channel #meego, 51d 4h 57m 19s ago, saying: 'Well, you better wear a helmet around here....'.09:19
DocScrutinizerhope he did09:20
DocScrutinizerseems /topic is incorrect :-(09:20
DocScrutinizer down temporarily or jebba nuked it definitely?09:21
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johnxscp1, it's really not *that* bad normally. It's just that maemo is really far from debuntu in terms of core packages09:22
scp1hopefully it gets better everyday though. is n900 the only available device running maemo as of today?09:23
scp1except the old n80009:23
johnxwell, there are some very strangely hacked up maemo running devices in China09:24
scp1heh, figured :)09:24
johnxbut they're not available to export for the most part09:24
DocScrutinizererr 77009:24
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johnxI'm not going to claim that Maemo is the best distribution ever, just that the really broken feeling parts mostly don't come from debuntu09:25
scp1There should be more. This is the only proper phone I've seen. And, for a phone to proper, it have to be running linux and it have to be a computer, imo :)09:25
DocScrutinizerheh, the first case of antitrolling09:26
scp1Well it's not maemo I'm having trouble with, it's the package management. But I've never liked dpkg/apt... it overcomplicates things09:26
scp1I'll learn that, too, though09:26
johnxit's a bit arcane, but it's not all that complicated09:26
johnxthe biggest problem is figuring out where to get started09:26
scp1I can only compare to pacman/ABS09:27
* Stskeeps likes the lean-and-mean approach of meego09:27
johnx(and yeah, my favorite setup is actually OE for the build and opkg for the binary packages)09:27
Stskeepsbase system, enough to start up x, run qt, and daemons activated over dbus..09:27
scp1But hey, before I actually bought the device I thought I was gonna install arch on it, but I might actually stick with this.09:28
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DocScrutinizermeh opkg09:28
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scp1and the maemo community seems great09:28
scp1not like the ubuntu one...09:29
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jacekowskithat's a keyword there09:29
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johnxall communities have growing pains ...09:29
DocScrutinizermoo jacekowski09:29
scp1yeah, I guess.09:29
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jacekowskihmm, i overslept09:30
jacekowskii have to go to work09:30
* DocScrutinizer waves09:30
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DocScrutinizerscp1: wait till your first tmo blues hits09:31
scp1docscrutinizer, what?09:31
infobotrumour has it, tmo is, or trolls, morons, oxes09:32
infobotSince Sat Aug 28 11:30:50 2010, there have been 4 modifications, 116 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 55 commands.  I have been awake for 3d 19h 2m 28s this session, and currently reference 117241 factoids.  I'm using about 20212 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 1152.94/23.95 child 0/009:33
scp1purl, nice09:33
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johnxzsircusr, command not found09:36
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DocScrutinizermoo tekojo09:38
tekojohi DocScrutinizer09:38
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zsircusrwindows mobile bad :(09:39
DocScrutinizercoffee tasty09:39
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johnxcongratulations, both of your understatements have entirely canceled each other out with their magnitude09:39
DocScrutinizerjohnx: that's been the plan :-D09:40
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johnxin fact if we had a scale that had bad at one end and good at the other we could probably just replace bad with winmo and good with coffee and still get the point across just fine09:41
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DocScrutinizerRST38h: when are you going back from USA?10:00
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crashanddieKhertan: ping10:13
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galatagewhich tool to use on maemo for doing code-coverage for a c++ code ?10:16
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crashanddiegalatage: there isn't any10:19
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crashanddiegalatage: at least, none specific to Maemo. You may want to see if there are any available as part of the G++ suite, or related to it.10:20
galatagecrashanddie: thank you.. will check that out10:20
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Stskeepswazd: #meego-art exists now too10:37
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lupine_85\o/, it lives!10:39
* lupine_85 just had to reflash his N900 for the first time10:39
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wazdStskeeps: o/ thanks :)10:39
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johnxtimeless_mbp, the most common enchantment being "use this app and die a virgin"10:40
timeless_mbptank-man: they're so much better than enhancements10:40
crashanddiejohnx: so a probability for suicide?10:40
* timeless_mbp wonders if there's an enchantment to get the right word to be automatically inserted in place of the wrong word10:41
crashanddiesorry, misread that as s/die/kill/10:41
johnxtimeless_mbp, sed10:41
johnxc'mon, just try and tell me regular expressions aren't magic10:42
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Khertancrashanddie, pong ... je suis au bureau et non chez moi :)10:49
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Khertan_Workstupid webchat captcha ... it s unreadable10:50
Khertan_WorkMorning all !10:50
johnx'night all :)10:55
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DocScrutinizerKhertan_Work: better webchat is unusable, than whole IRC gets unusable due to bot attacks :-P10:56
DocScrutinizergateway/web/freenode/ip  MEH10:57
kerioDocScrutinizer: hmm10:58
keriodo personal cloaks overwrite the web gateway cloak?10:58
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crashanddiekerio: yes10:59
crashanddiekerio: but it's still displayed as part of the Real Name10:59
DocScrutinizersupposed to overwrite any generic user id / cloak10:59
keriojust ban *!*@gateway/web/freenode then10:59
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crashanddiewtf, why?10:59
DocScrutinizerwe already did, several times10:59
keriothen ok10:59
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RST38hwhy would you apply a wide ban like that?11:00
DocScrutinizerwith capcha and join throttling we hope to be ok for a while11:00
crashanddiekerio: /whois crashanddie_11:00
Khertan_WorkDocScrutinizer: and midbits cannot be use too ... banned11:01
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Khertan_WorkDocScrutinizer: and serveral webchat client has been banned too11:01
DocScrutinizernot specifically in this chan11:01
crashanddiethe mibbit admins were idiots11:01
crashanddieDocScrutinizer: they've been glined from freenode11:01
Khertan_WorkDocScrutinizer: i need to reenter captcha often more than 5 times11:01
DocScrutinizercrashanddie: that's what I implied, yes11:02
Khertan_Workthe captcha use is really difficult to read11:02
crashanddiefreenode offered to work with them so that they would be able to provide an auth mechanism11:02
Khertan_Workwhy not use a captcha more easy to read ? (for example like mine :
crashanddiemibbit was bitching about how they wanted to implement a specific way to do things, when freenode couldn't agree to that, as it would've given access to the outside world to the user database (duh)11:02
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crashanddieKhertan: because that's easily hackable11:03
crashanddieKhertan: a simple OCR and parse it in PHP, and you've got the result11:03
Khertan_Workcrashanddie: mine isn't easily "hackable"11:03
Khertan_Workcrashanddie: try ... it ll take too time to ocr it11:04
kerioi can't distinguish between + and x11:04
kerioso yeah11:04
johnxkerio, you're a robot11:04
kerioalso recaptcha > other captchas11:04
jacekowskikerio: link11:05
Khertan_Workkerio: recaptcha is a pain to read on n90011:05
jacekowskiKhertan_Work: link11:05
jacekowskithat's easy to ocr11:05
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cehtehKhertan_Work: its pain to read anywhere11:07
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crashanddieKhertan_Work: I had 8 * 5, and an _ONLINE_ free OCR service recognised it as "g * 5"... I'd wager that a OCR lib that allows to specify we want digits and not characters would pwn your captcha fairly quickly11:08
crashanddieKhertan_Work: plus, the biggest weakness of captchas is that if an attacker really wants to crack it, he just presents it on a porn website... "Want to watch Angelina Jolie blowing a huge cock? Solve this captcha first!"11:09
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DocScrutinizergiben the ease IRC allows anonymous posts via the genuine API, I'd guess the webchat bots just do that because it's so much easier than implementing even a basic IRC protocol11:13
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DocScrutinizerso probably little chances for sophisticated OCD implemented in such bot which usually comes as a rogue payload via HTML pages or something11:15
DocScrutinizerOCR* (/me needs onother coffee obviously)11:15
crashanddieIRC allows you to spam a hundred channels without even reading input11:16
Khertan_Workcrashanddie: what _ONLINE_ free OCR did you use ?11:16
crashanddieyou just dump a .txt to a socket11:16
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crashanddieKhertan_Work: dunno, just typed "ocr online"11:16
crashanddiein google11:16
Khertan_WorkSorry, we could not find any text in your image.11:17
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Khertan_Workuh .... <----11:21
Khertan_Workdoes there is an other api break planned ?11:22
X-FadeKhertan_Work: Just a symlink.11:22
Khertan_Workah ok :)11:22
Khertan_Workthx X-Fade ...11:22
X-FadeKhertan_Work: No break is planned, but I wanted to be ready to at least be able to fix things if it might happen.11:22
Khertan_WorkX-Fade: at least a good idea to stay ready :)11:23
X-FadeDon't want to be surprised again ;)11:23
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X-FadeAnd change requests like that can't be done when the outcome can't be tested. So that is why the links are there.11:25
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ebzzryThis may be labeled as very stupid: my wife has accidentally locked my N900 via Power Button -> Lock Device. As a consequence, I can't use it anymore. Can anybody point me to what should I read to get my system back?11:27
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ebzzryStskeeps: It works now. Thanks. I thought it was '1234'.11:29
crashanddieKhertan_Work: <urlopen error(-2, 'Name or service not known')>11:29
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ebzzryWhich brings me to my next question. Assuming someone deliberately locked my phone, and has inputted a different code. How can I get the system back? I have a custom bootmenu that allows me SSH access to the phone via USB, by the way.11:30
Khertan_Workcrashanddie: no network11:30
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crashanddieKhertan_Work: well, yeah, but still :P Ugly error message11:30
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ebzzryHow does this locking mechanism work?11:31
DocScrutinizerebzzry: there are documented ways to unlock11:31
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MNZebzzry: they would have to enter the correct lock code to lock the device11:31
MNZno wait11:32
DocScrutinizerMNZ: not exactly, but they'd need the old lockcode to change it to a new unknown one aiui11:32
MNZyou don't enter any lock code to lock the device. but I suppose for someone to change your lock code they would have to enter the original anyway11:32
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ebzzryDocScrutinizer: Let me check that.11:32
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jacekowskiKhertan_Work: take a look at your page11:33
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ebzzryDocScrutinizer: Thanks. I want to try that.11:33
jacekowskiKhertan_Work: it took me less than 30 minutes to break that captcha with sufficient efficiency11:33
jacekowskiKhertan_Work: and write script that would spam your wiki11:33
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Khertan_Workjacekowski: lol :) nice11:38
* DocScrutinizer throws hAx0R medal at jacekowski :-P11:38
Khertan_Workocr ? or a failed ?11:38
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jacekowskiand i'm getting like 60% efficiency with just gocr11:39
jacekowskiwith proper ocr i could get 99%11:39
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jacekowskiMNZ: you can change code on unlocked device11:41
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jacekowskiDocScrutinizer: code_reset11:42
jacekowskiDocScrutinizer: in repo11:42
Khertan_Workmust go on11:42
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DocScrutinizerjacekowski: mhm11:42
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jacekowskihe's going to have lot of fun deleting that spam on his wiki11:43
jacekowskihmm, nope11:43
jacekowskiit's gone11:43
jacekowskii could be a dick and leave that spamming script running11:43
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jacekowskimultiple copies of it11:43
crashanddieand then I could be a dick and ban you from #maemo forever11:43
Stskeepscould be?11:44
* Stskeeps hides11:44
crashanddiewell, we both are11:44
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DocScrutinizermuhaha, it needs john to make me aware I changed my lockcode, and even worse to something I for sure never ever had recalled11:47
* DocScrutinizer <- :oD11:48
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JaffaMorning, all11:49
DocScrutinizerguesses: 1  time: 0:00:00:0111:50
DocScrutinizermoo Jaffa11:50
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DocScrutinizerFSCK something completely messed up my device, no idea what it was11:52
StskeepsDocScrutinizer: jrbme ;)11:53
DocScrutinizersettings closing after 10s of loading activity rotary dial11:53
RST38hDoc: What is your email?11:53
DocScrutinizerStskeeps: there's no jrbme running on that device11:53
X-FadeDocScrutinizer: Electron migration ;)11:53
RST38hDoc: And what is Paul Feltser's IRC nick?11:54
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DocScrutinizerI rebooted 3 times last 3 days, due to all sorts of weird issues, like call-ui freezes, stalled/failed sshd, whatnot11:55
X-FadeDocScrutinizer: No, messages in dmesg?11:55
DocScrutinizernothing interesting yet, last time I checked11:56
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DocScrutinizerneither now, except myriads of [94278.447662] wlan0: deauthenticated  [94279.717803] wlan0: authenticate with AP 00:13:49:e0:de:dc  [94279.721069] wlan0: authenticated  [94279.721099] wlan0: associate with AP 00:13:49:e0:de:dc [94279.723968] wlan0: RX AssocResp from 00:13:49:e0:de:dc (capab=0x411 status=0 aid=2) [94279.724029] wlan0: associated11:58
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RST38hDoc: I emailed Quim. CCed to you.11:59
DocScrutinizerRST38h: great! many thanks12:00
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DocScrutinizerRST38h: maybe you'd better take another one/few devel dev *to* Moscow, rather than exporting the one device *from* Russia ;-D12:09
DocScrutinizerRST38h: alas I'm rather sure we'll not make that happen, in the time remaining until you return home from USA12:10
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DocScrutinizerX-Fade: I'm not overclocking :-D, so hoping for petrovic malfunction locking CPU @ 600 for one day hasn't actually caused any damage. Anyway I'm really puzzled what might have triggered this general misbehaviour, last 'nasty' thing I did (and remember) was a `swapon /dev/mmcblk1p3; swapoff /dev/mmcblk0p3` and reverse after some minutes, plus a boot some times later.12:16
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RST38hDoc: Well, I can't carry them in bunches, as this may pose problems at the customs12:16
RST38hDoc: I can probably take one or two though12:17
DocScrutinizerthing that puzzles me most is: device won't start on power button after shutdown, unless battery removed for a few seconds12:17
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RST38hDoc: Hold the power button for ~5sec, see if it starts12:17
X-FadeDocScrutinizer: It takes several seconds to really shutdown after display off.12:17
DocScrutinizeryepyep, considered and did all this12:18
RST38hThat too12:18
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kerioit could also be that the shutdown is taking too long for some reason12:25
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DocScrutinizerkerio: nope, I gave shutdown time like 5min to complete, when device was assumed shutdown but didn't poweron. Then I inserted charger and immediately NOLO came up, so it's been definitely off12:27
DocScrutinizerlast reboot was like 18h ago, due to sshd or wlan borked. Did virtually nothing with the device since then, except a few ls and cat etc over ssh, and now settings app fails to completely startup, closing window after ~10s12:31
nid0well, in technical terms12:32
nid0it's buggered12:32
DocScrutinizernota bene this is my daily use phone, which never seen any usb hostmode or other heavy hackery12:33
keriosee if it goes away12:33
DocScrutinizerhmmm :-S12:33
DocScrutinizerprolly only thing to do about it, yes12:33
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DocScrutinizerI might want to walk thru the list of installed apps and kick out several of those, prior to a full reflash though12:35
mecewould something made in pygame for n900 run directly on n8xx?12:36
ShadikkaIt should, I think.12:36
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DocScrutinizeranybody an idea what's the cmdline invocation of settings?12:40
jacekowskii don't think so12:42
jacekowskiand you have to launch it with a launcher12:42
DocScrutinizeryeah, except there's no such thing12:42
jacekowskiotherwise it segfaults12:42
jacekowski /usr/bin/controlpanel12:43
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jacekowskibut that's a symlink to launcher12:43
jacekowskireal control panel app is in12:43
jacekowski /usr/bin/controlpanel.launch12:43
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DocScrutinizerjacekowski: thanks12:44
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DocScrutinizerwait, isn't there some funny cheating in hildon, to show a 'screenshot' of the app while cranking up real process in background?12:50
nid0most noticeable (on my device at least) on the clock/alarms app12:52
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DocScrutinizeranyway, while starting settings via hildon appstarter gives me a screen looking like settings, with a busy rotary dial in the topbar and closing after ~10s, starting  /usr/bin/controlpanel never terminates or has any visible effect, while starting  /usr/bin/controlpanel.launch segfaults immediately12:53
X-FadeDocScrutinizer: Installed any control panel plugins?12:54
DocScrutinizera few12:54
X-FadeI'd uninstall those.12:54
DocScrutinizermhm, though it seems to me all of those worked for months12:55
X-FadeWell, your CP did too ;)12:55
nid0is it purely the settings screen that doesnt open?12:55
DocScrutinizerlocation test same thing12:56
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MNZ/usr/bin/controlpanel.launch is SUPPOSED to segfault, so that's normal12:56
DocScrutinizermedia player same thing12:56
JaffaBargain. Just got a room for Nokia World *right* at the ExCeL Centre for 53 quid :)12:57
DocScrutinizerxterm same thing12:57
DocScrutinizerI can't start any app12:57
DocScrutinizerbasically, of course dialer works, browser works - all those that are preloaded seem to work. No surprise12:58
StskeepsJaffa: how many rats will you be living with? :P12:58
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JaffaStskeeps: It's an Ibis, so should be OK13:00
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DocScrutinizerotoh uptime 8 days W*T*F???? I'm absolutely sure I rebooted after battery removal yesterday13:01
X-FadeDocScrutinizer: Clock messed up?13:01
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nid0if you can see uptime with xterm not working, im guessing sshd works?13:01
DocScrutinizerdunno - powered down, now removing battery, just in case and to be sure :-P13:02
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nid0tbh though, even these slowdowns people get after "long" uptimes always suggest something a bit fubar to me13:03
nid0my device is at 9 days so far, and exactly as fast as when i turned it on13:03
DocScrutinizerwell, 60s probably will sufice to even reset RTC, due to usually borked backup cell13:03
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DocScrutinizernid0: (ssh) yep, exactly13:04
DocScrutinizermeh, please enter lang, date, time, region13:05
DocScrutinizer60s were enough, though time/date still correct13:06
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DocScrutinizer\o/ settings, the real one13:07
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DocScrutinizeroh, meh - forget half of what I said above, not my day :-(13:09
DocScrutinizerssh win on laptop was the wrong one :-P13:09
DocScrutinizer(the one to devel N900, not to the everyday clean phone)13:09
kerioDocScrutinizer: PS1 MOTHERFUCKER, DO YOU SPEAK IT13:10
DocScrutinizerecho IroN900 >/etc/hostname did it :-P13:11
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kerioDocScrutinizer: also vi /etc/hosts13:12
DocScrutinizerkerio: doesn't help, as both shells usually open 24/713:12
keriono, i mean13:12
kerioyou need to add IroN900 to /etc/hostts13:12
kerioset it to
DocScrutinizerwhy would I need to do that?13:13
kerionot sure why13:13
keriobut any "how to change a unix hostname" always told to change /etc/hostname and /etc/hosts13:13
Lynourekerio: without /etc/hosts part it will not resolve right, that's why13:14
nid0changing /etc/hosts will just allow the device to resolve iron900 to localhost, there shouldnt be any need atall for it on the n900 though13:14
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DocScrutinizerwell, there's " Nokia-N900-42-11 localhost" in there, so I guess you got a point13:15
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kerioit's a sign!13:19
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DocScrutinizeranyway, thanks to my blindness I lost the dmesg, and of course now after boot everything back to normal - guess I need to wait another 24h. Suspect it's related to WLAN and my router disconnecting from internet for 60s every 24h. Seen other machines stall on that, even to the point of kernel OOPS13:25
defraggeris it possible to dualboot maemo with meego?13:27
alteregoUp for an upgrade now. All the devices look cwap ..13:27
DocScrutinizerdefragger: afaik yes13:27
nid0DocScrutinizer: netgear router dropping lan connections?13:27
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defraggerDocScrutinizer: do you know any useable howto for that?13:27
lcukfrals, nspeed is on extras13:27
DocScrutinizerZyXEL router forcing disconnect before provider does13:28
alteregoOoo, I can upgrade with car phone warehouse even though I got my contract direct from Vodafone ..13:28
nid0yeah you get to do that, thats what i did to get my n90013:28
nid0o2 didnt offer it, just upgraded my contract with them through cpw instead13:28
DocScrutinizerdefragger: sorry, no idea. seems you need to RTFM of meego for it13:28
* DocScrutinizer wonders if /etc/hosts might be involved in that problem13:30
DocScrutinizersomething ARP/rDNS or whatever DHCP related...13:31
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alteregoAnyone got any recommendations for a handset?13:31
alteregoI was trhinking of getting a symbian device so I can do parallel development .13:31
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alteregoI could just get the most expensive one and sell it ^.^13:33
alteregoI'm not going to move away from my N900 for some time.13:33
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alteregoOr I could get another N900 ..13:34
Stskeepsi've been considering that13:34
Stskeepsas it gets irritating to shut off my phone for work..13:35
DocScrutinizeralterego: there are some nice closed stereo BT headsets with goodies like electronic ambient noise reduction13:35
alteregoI'd like it for MeeGo development.13:35
alteregoDocScrutinizer: headsets? I'm talking about handsets :P13:35
DocScrutinizeroops, see? Not my day13:35
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DocScrutinizergonna shut up for a few hours :-S13:36
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alteregoWhat are the latest Symbian devices like? N97 Min, x3 X6?13:36
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alteregoOr maybe I should get an Android, to look at the competition ^.^13:37
DocScrutinizeralterego: how's about N8?13:37
alteregoYeah, I could wait for the N813:37
alteregoNot sure how I'll react to not having a keypad though ..13:38
alteregoI don't think I'll like it.13:38
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alteregoThough, it would be good for development, as a lot of people seem to like having touch only input.13:39
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alteregoI could make sure my UXs are touch-only friendly.13:39
DocScrutinizeryou could make sure your UX bits user's finger :-D13:41
kerioi bought a bluetooth stereo headset ^_^13:42
kerioit's cute, with a clip that holds a mic and the media keys13:42
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nid0tbh, directly getting a new n900 would be silly13:45
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nid0out of cpw's list i'd just get the most overpriced phone available (iphone ofc) sell it for £500, then if you want another n900, buy one for £350 and pocket the difference \o/13:46
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alteregonidwas thinking that too ;)13:47
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alteregoHoly crap, 27.3GB of data last month ..13:49
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nid0on your mobile?13:49
Duckbootalterego: Wuuut13:50
nid0how on earth'd you manage thaty13:50
alteregoProbably BBC iPlayer13:50
nid0what i meant more was: how on earth'd you manage that without getting cut off / charged a fortune :p13:50
alteregoMy contract is for unlimited data usage.13:50
nid0with a fup of like 500mb13:51
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alteregoI'm not in a built up area? :)13:51
alteregoThough I doubt they'd care.13:51
alteregoI've been averaging 5-10G a month for the past year ..13:51
nid0i had to use my n900 to tether recently as i just moved and had no adsl for a week and a half13:51
nid0racked up 5gb in that time and had a text from o2 telling me to ease up or face bills13:52
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alteregonid0: exactly what I'm doing, but I've not bothered getting boradband because the 3G is fast enough for me ..13:52
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alteregoLooks like the HTC Touch HD 2 is the most expensive at the moment ..13:54
alteregoNot sure I can bring myself to getting a winmo though ^.^13:54
nid0theoretically, but its a hard phone to sell13:54
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nid0not many people will want to be ebaying a winmo device, even if the hd2 is damn good13:54
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SpeedEvilAlso consider that eaying phones is not without rish13:55
nid0well, just make sure not to send them to the buyer's granny in nigeria13:55
alteregoI'll say UK only13:56
alteregoI've never actually sold anything on ebay ..13:56
SpeedEvilUK only, >1fb at least.13:56
SpeedEvilAlso - gert a tracking number when you send it.13:56
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nid0yer make sure to insist itll be sent tracked + insured only13:56
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nid0otherwise the buyer "wont receive it"13:57
DocScrutinizernid0: (o2) germany?13:57
nid0o2 uk13:57
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alteregoThanks for the advice, I think I'll hold off for a while and see what comes out over the next couple3 of months14:00
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DocScrutinizerIroN900:~# echo root:$(grep -A 13 lock_code /dev/mtd1|tail -1):14:04
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DocScrutinizerlet's see what it gets us replacing lockcode 12345 with 12345 :-P14:06
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DocScrutinizerIroN900:~# echo root:$(grep -A 13 lock_code /dev/mtd1|tail -1):14:07
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pupniknice DocScrutinizer14:08
X-FadeDocScrutinizer: Nice, you nicely messed up your cal area ;)14:09
MohammadAG51argh f this14:09
DocScrutinizernot me, settings lockcode did - haha14:10
MohammadAG51crashanddie, ty, but it didn't help14:10
crashanddieMohammadAG51: errors?14:10
MohammadAG51coversations crashes14:10
jacekowskihmm, i can't get i2c to work on my beagle board14:12
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DocScrutinizerX-Fade: john the riper still thinks it's 12345, in zero time :-)14:12
DocScrutinizerripper even14:12
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X-FadeDocScrutinizer: Ah, so it gets delivered factory default in plain text. And gets encrypted when you set it.14:14
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DocScrutinizeryep, exactly14:14
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MohammadAG51are there any logs for rtcom crap?14:17
X-FadeMohammadAG51: Isn't it browserd crashing?14:18
MohammadAG51the conversations app isn't browserd afaik14:19
X-FadeMohammadAG51: It is.14:19
MohammadAG51even the main ui?14:19
MohammadAG51which i doubt14:19
X-FadeMohammadAG51: It is a javasript gui.14:19
MohammadAG51those are the logs14:19
* MohammadAG51 pokes timeless 14:19
X-FadeAh, the main view. Don't know about that.14:19
X-FadeWell open it and kill browserd ;)14:20
MohammadAG51starting it from terminal does nothing14:20
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DocScrutinizer800+ processes dbus-scripts14:54
DocScrutinizerIroN900:~# ps ax|grep dbus-scripts|less14:54
DocScrutinizer-sh: cannot fork14:54
DocScrutinizerIroN900:~# Connection to closed.14:54
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DocScrutinizerany questions, sherlock?14:55
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MohammadAG51DocScrutinizer, reboot?14:55
MohammadAG51oh wait, that's a suggestion14:55
DocScrutinizerhaha, see backscroll14:55
DocScrutinizerjr@halley:~> ssh -o StrictHostKeyChecking=no -o UserKnownHostsFile=/dev/null -l root; date14:56
DocScrutinizerssh_exchange_identification: Connection closed by remote host14:56
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DocScrutinizerdbus-scripting went apeshit, it seems14:57
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DocScrutinizerno wonder I find all kinds of nasty problems, like not a single app starting14:57
DocScrutinizeryup, confirmed. Same problem as before14:59
MohammadAG51timeless_mbp, is the main coversations UI related to browserd?14:59
MohammadAG51the one with new IM/new SMS14:59
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DocScrutinizer51~lart dbus-scripting15:00
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timeless_mbpi don't think so15:00
timeless_mbpi think it's only the view w/ the actual chats15:00
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MohammadAG51timeless_mbp, do you know if there's a way to log the conversations app's startup?15:03
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X-FadeHmm N900 for PS3 jailbreaking. That is about the last thing I would have thought about :)
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timeless_mbpyou can enable syslog and you can change how an app starts so it gets glog ing15:06
X-FadeDocScrutinizer51: It seeems that ^^^ guy is working on usb host too?15:07
defraggerdoes anybody tries meego with multiboot already?15:07
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MohammadAG51X-Fade, different crap :P15:10
MohammadAG51the psgroove jailbreak requires the N900 to look like a hub15:10
MohammadAG51it won't be an actual hub15:11
Venemohey guys15:11
lcukMohammadAG51, still related15:11
lcukX-Fade, constantly amazed at how maemo is (ab)used!15:11
lcukhey Venemo15:11
DocScrutinizerX-Fade: I don't get it. What is he trying to do? Hub?15:12
MohammadAG51lcuk, only slightly15:13
MohammadAG51though he might be helpful15:13
DocScrutinizerX-Fade: >>My idea was to use an existing programmable linux-based device (my N900) to act as the dongle.<<15:14
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DocScrutinizerX-Fade: so not exactly host mode related it seems to me15:15
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X-FadeDocScrutinizer: No idea, only the presentation part of it I guess.15:15
DocScrutinizerX-Fade: sorry, please rephrase15:16
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X-FadeDocScrutinizer: Looking like an usb hub part.15:16
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DocScrutinizerI don't get it, sorry. He talks about USB hub, which in my book is a hardware consisting of several downstream ports (which arguably resemble a USB host) plus one upstream port. But in his first few sentences he explains he wants to implement a RE'd dongle, by using his N900 in gadget mode15:19
IcanCUsomeone know if its possible to save trip/gps data with ovi maps? just drive a route and later look back what route you drove?15:19
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bince_NGT_TECHhi guys15:24
bince_NGT_TECHis there an app for nokia n900 tha wil allow the n900 to b controlled via internet,and not the other way around like teamveiwer,cos i am planning on giving it  a does an app exist15:25
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lcukbince_NGT_TECH, you mean like vnc?
bince_NGT_TECHlcuk:lemme c :D15:27
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keriowhat's wrong with ssh?15:28
bince_NGT_TECHlcuk:i mean an app that will allow acces to n900's camera,sending messages like that remotly via pc,so does that app does that :D15:28
bince_NGT_TECHlcuk:cos i donno ,havent tried that app thats y15:28
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villagerDocScrutinizer: the dongle he's trying to fake is faking an usb hub...15:29
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villagerand no, there's no host mode in that15:30
MohammadAG51bince_NGT_TECH, x11vnc lets you use the mouse (touchscreen) and keyboard on the N90015:30
kerioyo dawg i heard u like peripherals so we put usb in yo usb so you can emulate while you provide15:31
MohammadAG51lame :P15:31
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bince_NGT_TECHMohammadAG51:yeah then its a varient of what i wanna do,but i taught abt givin the app a vedio feed of the n900 desktop to pc,just like teamviewer,but i guess this app does the same15:32
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keriowtf is a vedio15:33
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bince_NGT_TECHvideo,happy :D15:34
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DocScrutinizerX-Fade: nice find, and a cute project this guy is starting there, but alas not related to hostmode at all15:38
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DocScrutinizerGAN900: ping15:49
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DocScrutinizerraster: o/15:51
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rasterDocScrutinizer:  docz!15:54
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DocScrutinizerraster: what's new?15:55
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MNZdo we have any exact specs for the N900's speakers? Specifically a certain range of frequencies that it can handle.16:17
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DocScrutinizerMNZ: alas not16:20
MohammadAG51crashanddie, there?16:21
DocScrutinizerto be precise, this is about all we might get to know exactly about those: Impecance, dimensions16:21
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MNZI've been doing a whole bunch of reading and I think I can get this IIR thing down to use it as an EQ. But the de-emphasis filter as a highpass filter for the speakers doesn't look promising, for several reasons16:24
DocScrutinizerMNZ: :-/16:24
DocScrutinizerfor deemphasis16:24
DocScrutinizer:-D for general EQ16:24
MNZFor one, we don't really know how low a frequency it can handle. I guess I could stay on the safe side and just remove way too much16:24
MNZfor another thing, it will be VERY tricky to distribute this once/if it can be done16:25
DocScrutinizeran educated guess would be: cut -6dBm at 150Hz16:25
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MNZnoted. I'm just really scared with messing it up and blowing the speakers :S16:26
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nid0tbh the speakers would have to be spectactularly shit to blow particularly quickly and at low powers, you should just be able to adjust where to filter via trial and error16:26
DocScrutinizerMNZ: 3rd thing: the Nokia PA speaker protection magic most probably includes some more beyond mere highpass. Seems they also do dynamic-limiting/compression16:27
ShadikkaIt would be interesting to get a more or less broken N900 just to mess with the speaker.16:27
MNZDocScrutinizer, ah, but AFAIK (so far) the de-emphasis filter will not be able to do something like that. If only we had the PA module sources16:28
kerioMNZ: try to mirror the nokia PA filter16:28
DocScrutinizernid0: still there's been reports Nokia found serious speaker busts on pre-MP devices, and rumour has it this was one of the reasons for rollout delay16:28
kerioor just... screw the speakers16:29
keriolimit the volume16:29
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kerioand add a warning16:29
DocScrutinizerask jacekowski to RE it16:29
keriojacekowski: RE it16:29
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MNZalso, about the distribution/packaging. This would be hell to package. Basically we'd need a package to override PA's policy files (I think) and depend on a certain kernel with the necessary driver patches for de-emp to kick in for speaker16:31
MNZnow just imagine anyone flashing a new kernel16:31
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MNZhow do you solve that :S ?16:31
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MNZI guess nokia had their reasons to do it this way....16:31
kerioMNZ: provide modules that depend on a particular version of the kernel16:31
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kerioand the policy overrider that depends on the module16:31
DocScrutinizertbh I doubt that detail16:32
kerioso, change kernel, module is removed, override is removed16:32
MNZkerio, flashing a new kernel overrides the entire package system!16:32
kerioapt <316:32
MNZdependencies are a moot point16:32
keriooh, flashing16:32
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kerio"when flashing, reinstall the module or $BAD_STUFF will happen to your speakers"16:32
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kerioit's GPL software after all16:33
keriono warranty, no fitness for a particular purpose16:33
jacekowskikerio: ?16:33
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keriojacekowski: reverse-engineer the nokia PA speaker protection16:33
kerioso MNZ can do the sensible thing and implement it with the hardware equalizer16:33
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DocScrutinizerMNZ: ask titan how he does that for power kernel16:33
MNZDocScrutinizer, is there a similar situation with the power kernel?16:34
DocScrutinizerhotspot relies / depends on powerkernel16:34
jacekowskihow do you know that there is a protection there?16:35
jacekowskiand what do youknow about it16:35
DocScrutinizerjust because we know16:35
jacekowskifor example which file is it and stuff16:35
MNZDocScrutinizer, link jacekowski to the pdf by the nokia sound dude16:35
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DocScrutinizerwe know it does highpass and dynamic compression / limiting16:35
jacekowskido we know which module is it?16:35
DocScrutinizerumm PA-nokia?16:36
DocScrutinizerMNZ: ??16:36
jacekowskithat's too obvious16:36
MNZDocScrutinizer, Jyri-Sarha-audio-miniconf_slides.pdf16:36
DocScrutinizerjacekowski: think you already know that audio paper16:36
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DocScrutinizerthis one16:36
kerioJyri Sarha sucks16:36
DocScrutinizerMNZ: thought you know exactly what's the PA module name / file name of the binary16:37
jacekowskithat's not a whitepaper16:37
jacekowskithese are just slides16:37
jacekowskiuseless to be honest16:37
DocScrutinizerjacekowski: ack16:37
MNZDocScrutinizer, I have a vague idea....16:37
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MNZif the slides are to be trusted, then actually the processing doesn't happen in the pa modules16:37
DocScrutinizer... and switches to IroN900 console16:38
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kerioMNZ: slides are not to be trusted16:38
MNZthey need to be done in the block labeled 'Transducer Processing' on page 15/1616:38
jacekowskihmm, that's all16:39
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jacekowskithere is nothing else loaded16:39
MNZjacekowski, play some music16:39
MNZyes we already know about those, try apt-cache search pulseaudio-module-nokia16:40
MNZthere's record, music, voice, and common AFAIR16:40
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DocScrutinizerusr/sbin/alsaped -p 4 -f /usr/share/policy/etc/current/alsaped || usr/bin/pulseaudio --system --high-priority || usr/bin/mafw-dbus-wrapper mafw-gst-renderer16:41
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MNZwell, pactl has some hints16:44
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DocScrutinizerpulseaudio --dump-modules -> module-nokia-music                      Nokia music module       module-nokia-record                     Nokia record module       module-nokia-voice                      Nokia voice module16:46 -> sink.voice.raw -> sink.hw016:47
MNZeverything else too dumps into sink.voice.raw16:47
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DocScrutinizerpactl ?? o.O16:47
MNZsink.voice.raw =  Driver: voice-raw-sink.c16:47
MNZDocScrutinizer, yeah16:47
DocScrutinizernot found16:48
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MNZapt-get install pulseaudio-utils16:48
DocScrutinizerthought "darn, something missing here". 'clean' system ;-P16:49
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MNZSo the magic is either in voice-raw-sink.c or module-alsa-sink-old.c16:53
DocScrutinizerif life gets boring: pactl list16:53
MNZit's what I'm already doing16:54
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DocScrutinizerbtw this pretty much explains what all that policy enforcer config stuff is all about16:55
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MNZ/usr/lib/pulse-0.9.15/modules/ voice-raw-sink.c16:56
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pupnikwhat is your goal MNZ?16:56
DocScrutinizeranyway meamonians, I got a RL too, believe it or not ;-P16:56
MNZDocScrutinizer, good bye16:56
MNZpupnik, I'm trying to find out where PA does it's highpass and/or dynamic compression16:57
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MNZjacekowski, what information do you need if you were to attempt this?16:57
pupnikcool man, i am curious to learn16:57
jacekowskiwell, what do we want to know16:58
jacekowskithat's a question16:58
MNZwhat pulseaudio is doing to the audio output before it goes to the speaker. We know it applies a highpass filter, and DocScrutinizer says it probably does dynamic compression too16:59
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MNZI just need more concrete information (numbers would be nice too!)16:59
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jacekowskiwell, ok17:00
jacekowskiwe have sources of module-alsa-sink17:00
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jacekowskiand other modules17:00
jacekowskiand we know that it's not in open source modules17:00
MNZso far my best guess is since everything goes through voice-raw-sink.c it's a good chance something is happening there, though the name is quite weird17:00
jacekowskiMNZ: isn't that open source/17:01
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MNZno, that's module-nokia-voice.so17:01
jacekowskiso interesting modules would be17:01
jacekowskimodule-alsa-sink-volume                 ALSA Mixer Control from Nokia17:01
jacekowskimodule-alsa-sink-old                    ALSA Sink (modified by Nokia)17:01
jacekowskimodule-alsa-sink                        ALSA Sink17:01
jacekowskimodule-nokia-voice                      Nokia voice module17:02
jacekowskiand possibly17:02
jacekowskimodule-nokia-music                      Nokia music module17:02
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MNZI think they would have a central control point that switches on the filtering when output is going through the speaker17:03
MNZthat would be the alsa sinks or the voice module17:04
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DocScrutinizerps (as I'm not really here anymore): just playback music *loaud*, fire up htop and spot the process that eats all the CPU - then you probably found the right one. then see what file the program text is in17:04
MNZermm mafw-gst-renderer..... hrmm so it could be outside PA?17:05
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jacekowskicould be17:06
hwoarangHi. Is there an easy way to restore/delete the gtkrc for n900?17:06
hwoarangremoving the gtkrc from /usr/share/themes/<theme> and reinstalling the theme  doesnt work for me17:06
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hwoarangall the gtk apps look b0rked17:07
DocScrutinizer896 pulse     -6 -11 82036  4440  3136 S 24.0  1.8  0:15.41 /usr/bin/pulseaudio --system --high-priority17:07
DocScrutinizer26% CPU17:07
kerioDocScrutinizer: so... pulseaudio is responsible for the pulseaudio CPU hog?17:07
kerioI CAN'T BELIEVE IT17:07
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DocScrutinizerhaha, incredible, isn't it?17:08
Venemohwoarang: reflash?17:08
MNZactually on my system,  1199   666 user     S <   6768  2.7 13.4 /usr/bin/mafw-dbus-wrapper mafw-gst-renderer17:08
infobotit has been said that flashing is
DocScrutinizerkerio: so please take over now, and tell those dudes here which files the process 896 on my system has opened :-P17:08
kerioyou do it17:09
MNZPA is at about 8-10% while mafw-gst-renderer is at 15-17% cpu time17:09
DocScrutinizerkerio: I'm too busy answering your helful comments :-P17:09
keriooh, sorry17:09
DocScrutinizerMNZ: then you need to play LOUDER XP17:09
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Venemoalterego: ping17:10
kerioWE LIKE IT LOUD!17:10
MNZdammit. sorry, headphones on XD XD17:10
Venemo~seen alterego17:10
kerioMNZ: you.. fail17:10
infobotalterego is currently on #maemo. Has said a total of 35 messages. Is idling for 3h 10m 18s, last said: 'Thanks for the advice, I think I'll hold off for a while and see what comes out over the next couple3 of months'.17:10
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MNZok now PA wins hands dow17:10
jacekowskiso if i would have native alsa app17:10
jacekowskithat doesn't go trough PA17:10
jacekowskii could melt speakers17:10
MNZor even easier, just change a few lines in the policy files17:11
keriojacekowski: another addition for n900nuke17:11
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VenemoDocScrutinizer: o717:12
MNZI think if we profile the PA process the function that's doing the magic will stand out quite clearly17:12
hwoarangVenemo: really?reflash just to fix the gtkrc?17:13
jacekowskilike you can profile stripped process17:13
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MNZat least we'll know what module!17:13
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jacekowskibut there is no software to profile it anyways17:14
MNZthey are dynamically loaded so17:14
hwoarangwhere is the default/preinstalled(?) gtkrc file located in n900?17:14
MNZthere has to be some symbol info17:14
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MNZhwoarang, /usr/share/themes/alpha17:16
MNZthat is, /usr/share/themes/alpha/gtk-2.0/gtkrc17:17
hwoarangMNZ: so what is /etc/hildon/theme/gtk-2.0/gtkrc for17:17
MNZhwoarang, lrwxrwxrwx    1 root     root           25 Aug 28 17:03 /etc/hildon/theme -> /usr/share/themes/default17:18
MNZlrwxrwxrwx    1 root     root           23 Aug 28 16:59 /usr/share/themes/default -> /usr/share/themes/alpha17:18
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hwoarangso this .gtkrc is the only config file that n900 uses for gtk apps?17:19
MNZunless you switch themes I guess, at which point the /usr/share/themes/default link will point to another theme17:20
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MNZthough I'm not sure17:20
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hwoarangdefault points to -> alpha17:20
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hwoarangbe hildon/themes -> Blue-sky  and I use blue sky.17:21
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hwoarangMNZ: should default point to the theme I am actually using atm?17:21
MNZhwoarang, frankly IDK. try to make it point to the current theme and see what happens :D17:22
xnt14Whats the proper way to restart hildon-status-menu? there isn't a script in /etc/init.d17:22
hwoarangMNZ: will do17:23
hwoarangwhat a mess17:23
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wazd_n900hello everyone17:26
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xnt14wazd_n900: hi17:26
Stskeepslo wazd_n90017:26
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jacekowskianybody can recommend any decent pdf about PA17:35
Venemojacekowski: PA=?17:38
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DocScrutinizerlimiter_write_parameters  in /usr/lib/pulse-0.9.15/modules/module-nokia-music.so17:43
tehoweI'm resurrecting my Diablo N800 but the repositories are messed up. Is the only way to get legacy SW now or is there a known working site to refresh the repository links?17:44
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jacekowskiDocScrutinizer: biggest module17:46
jacekowskiwhat EAP has to do with sound17:47
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DocScrutinizerwhatever EAP is at all17:47
X-FadeEnhanced Audio Profile? :D17:47
jacekowskihmm, maybe17:47
X-FadeOr extended.17:48
jacekowskii was coming from Extensible Authentication Protocol direction17:48
X-FadeWell lots of options.17:48
DocScrutinizerEAP_MultibandDrcControlInt32_UpdateVolumeSetting  (Drc = dynamics reduction?)17:48
obsidiethpeap ?17:48
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DocScrutinizercompander - it can't get any clearer17:49
GAN900andre__, ping?17:49
andre__GAN900, pong17:49
GAN900andre__, what email are you using for stuff?17:50
andre__aklapper at openismus17:50
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pytherDoes anyone use iheartradio?17:50
jacekowskithat code is to fucked up for static analysis17:51
DocScrutinizerMNZ: EAP_MultibandDrcControlInt32_UpdateLimiterAttack  EAP_MultibandDrcControlInt32_UpdateLimiterRelease  AP_MultibandDrcControlInt32_UpdateLimiterThreshold...17:51
MNZDocScrutinizer, yes, following. I also found stuff about initializing fir/iir filters in the voice module17:52
GAN900andre__, check your inbox in a minute.17:52
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andre__GAN900, ah. thanks17:54
MNZanyone know about the pulseaudio-modules-meego git repo? there are common, music, record and voice modules just like we have got17:55
MNZany relation?17:55
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pupnikdownload em and compare17:59
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MNZpupnik, compare how? the others are closed18:00
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tehoweWhen I attempt to install vncviewer from the site, I get dependency warnings on my N800. I've deleted and refreshed the repositories but my device won't update various libraries anymore. Help?!?18:01
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pupnik#define MUSIC_HOOK_DYNAMIC_ENHANCE              ""18:02
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pupnikMNZ: you gotta check this out
pupnikhmm sorry18:07
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MNZpupnik, yup already have this :D18:08
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MNZhrmm have we got any profiling options on the N900?18:10
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lcukmnz, the left hand side profile is better18:10
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pupnikyes you should have ability to install a profile kernel for oprofile18:11
lcukafaik you can use an oprofile enabled kernel18:11
jacekowski IOW the phone has APE Centric Audio Architecture18:11
jacekowskian anybody translate that?18:11
pupnikapplication engine centric18:11
pupnikthe 'application engine' is the cpu-side of the phone18:12
pupnikis on the18:12
jacekowskii mean IOW18:12
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jacekowskiso nobody knows what does IOW means18:13
mgedminin other words18:14
mgedminnobody knows what APE is18:14
mgedminexcept pupnik ;)18:14
pupnikthat was just my interpretation18:15
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jacekowskiAPE == application processing engine18:16
pupnikmaybe "in other words" jacekowski18:16
jacekowskihmmm, that would make sense18:16
MNZoh, so APE basically means screw-the-hardware-we'll-just-use-pulseaudio ?18:17
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MNZjacekowski, that's what I gather from Jyri's presentation. APE Centric == route everything through the audio application layer instead of routing some stuff usign hardware and some stuff through software18:19
MNZlook at page 4 and 5 of the pdf18:19
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jacekowskinot really18:20
jacekowskiit means that everything is going trough main cpu18:20
jacekowskibefore reaching audio output18:20
MNZbut... that's what I just said :D18:20
MNZapplication layer == pulseaudio (which is on the CPU of course)18:21
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jacekowskithey could have pushed it trough rapuyama18:23
jacekowskirapuyama has enough processing power to handle it18:23
jacekowskiand it would offload main cpu18:23
keriojacekowski: again, that would be sensible :)18:23
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MNZwhat's rapuyama?18:24
jacekowskichip that in cheaper phones runs whole phone18:25
jacekowskiARM core + DSP + modem18:25
jacekowskiin n900 reduced just to modem and interface to gps18:25
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MNZuh! so we have another arm core on board! nice18:25
keriothe led controller is also a tiny cpu18:26
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keriowe also have an external DSP18:28
kerioand an audio codec18:28
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keriowait, those are the same18:28
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keriothe n900 is a hardware beast18:28
jacekowskirapuyama is omap2 based processor18:28
jacekowskideveloped by TI with nokia18:29
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keriosadly the software is slightly... inefficient18:29
Khertankerio, hum18:29
Khertanit s really not so bad ...18:29
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kerioKhertan: PA uses a software equalizer while we have a perfectly-working hw one18:31
Khertanthis is the problem when you divide software maker from hardware maker in different team18:33
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lcukkerio, Khertan - isnt this more that PA is used on various systems and hardware EQ is not always available18:34
Khertanlcuk, also18:34
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lcukkerio, do you want to make a patch to use the hw EQ on n900?18:35
keriolcuk: MNZ is doing it :D18:35
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jacekowskiwhere we have software eq?18:36
lcuknow Khertan having different teams isnt a problem :P18:36
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Khertanidk ?18:36
MNZlcuk, so far I've got the 3-D effect working (added as an alsa control) and I have a basic idea of how to get the EQ working. Then there's the filtering for the speaker protection18:36
lcuki don't know18:36
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pupnikjacekowski: pulseaudio - at least on some sinks18:37
jacekowskiand where is hardware eq?18:37
jacekowskiand is it working18:37
pupnikis available to alsa18:37
jacekowskior is it like smartreflex18:37
MNZjacekowski, hardware eq needs to be activated on the TLV320AIC34 codec chip18:37
pupniki believe you can get to it with alsamixer $device MNZ18:38
pupnikafter running pasuspender18:38
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MNZpupnik, yes, right after you write the alsa code :D18:38
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MNZlike I said, I have already written the code for the 3-D effect control18:38
MNZand for the record, it's 'alsamixer -D real'18:38
pupniki saw EQ in alsamixer, maybe it wasn't functional18:38
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MNZpupnik, there are no equalizer controls, just a lot of controls for routing and volumes18:39
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pupniki saw an alsa control for HPF18:41
MNZpupnik, yeah, that's for the HPF on the ADC. It's for mic input filtering18:41
pupnikah ty18:42
Khertanhum ... someone know if there is a way to reactive shorcut for menu in maemo qt ?18:42
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slonopotamus_suddenly_ skype no longer connects on n90018:45
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DocScrutinizerKhertan: interesting question19:09
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DocScrutinizeractually qt OUGHT support kbd shortcuts also on N900. Seems since maemo5 all the fingerfriendliness killed kbd user interface somewhat19:10
DocScrutinizerwhich is a basic fault19:11
Khertankeyboard shortcut still work on qaction on toolbar19:12
Khertanmaybe i should put invisible qaction on this toolbar :)19:12
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chem|stDocScrutinizer: looking at meego netbook UX there are no kbd shortcuts and I started a fight in the forums about it as someone was thinking I want to kill all the nice and shiny clickable icons and have kbd shortcuts instead19:18
DocScrutinizerchem|st: what a silly debate based on a silly misconception19:19
chem|stpeople not being able to use a kbd anymore is a pain, the answer on my question about how userfriendly it is I got a link to a touchpanel upgrade posted19:20
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VenemoKhertan: you can use simple QShortcut19:21
chem|stDocScrutinizer: yes, the shortcuts in maemo are just dumb, ctrl-shift-x for terminal... or just ctrl-shift-* is a pain19:21
Venemo    QShortcut *saveShortcut = new QShortcut(QKeySequence("Ctrl+S"), this);19:21
Venemo     connect(saveShortcut, SIGNAL(activated()), this, SLOT(saveText()));19:21
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chem|stimplementation of a ctrl-fn-* shortcut env. would be nice for n90019:22
DocScrutinizerctrl-Fn as well as Fn-shift are nice. ctrl-shift I'd use for things like ctrl-shift-doubleclick_BS to selfdestruct device19:22
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chem|stctrl-shift-power-enter for sequenced selfdestruction with nokia'ed mission impossible trailer up front19:24
chem|stI tried to remap fn-shift stuff but id never took effect...19:24
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chem|stas I'd like to have a proper enter within fn-shift-enter instead of KP_Enter19:25
DocScrutinizerneeds kernel driver / kbd driver patches I think. Was pondering to look into that several times now19:25
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DocScrutinizere.g signalling qualifier locked state via indicator LED would be a really awesome feature19:25
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DocScrutinizergreen for shift lock, red for Fn lock19:26
chem|stmmh yeah bright purple indication for alt lock19:27
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chem|stsomething like that19:27
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keriochem|st: ooh, i like that19:27
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kerioso far i only have shift+fn for... asdfghà.[left][right]zxcvbnm[backspace]èò19:28
DocScrutinizerI mean, you ever seen the ind LED doing anything meaningful during kbd slide open and you typing?19:28
chem|stkerio: you get a kbd hack working and I will implement the bright purple flashing on alt!19:28
DocScrutinizerso no -> no conflicts whatsoever on lock indication19:28
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chem|stDocScrutinizer: there is a dbus msg when you lock it, is there one for release?19:29
keriochem|st: i remapped half of my keyboard :)19:29
DocScrutinizerwhat, the qual keys?19:29
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DocScrutinizerno idea really, gues no though19:30
Venemokerio: me too19:30
Venemokerio: added öüóőúéáű :)19:30
chem|stkerio: how do I remap my fn-enter?19:30
keriochem|st: dunno19:30
keriohold on19:30
chem|stand the fn-shift stuff needs another lvl19:31
slonopotamusVenemo: it's english-speaking channel :P19:31
chem|stas ! with fn is ! with fn-shift19:31
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keriochem|st: that's because they're the same19:31
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keriobut they're defined separately19:31
kerioso you can set caps lock and still have working symbols19:32
Venemoslonopotamus: I know...19:32
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Venemoslonopotamus: anyways, I added the extra characters of my native language19:32
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chem|stkerio: yes the keymap settings show something like [öÖ!!] for me19:32
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chem|stbut I want üÜß& and not üÜßß19:33
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keriochem|st: you can do it19:34
keriobut some fn+shift+key combinations don't work19:34
keriowell, they work, but they map to two key combinations19:34
kerioshift+fn+z/x is the same19:34
kerioshift+fn+j/k is the same19:35
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kerioi suggest only setting one19:35
kerioand removing the other19:35
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chem|stnice pressing shift-fn-x gives two chars...19:36
kerioi disabled shift+fn+z iirc19:36
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DocScrutinizersee my comment there:
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* lcuk wilts19:40
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* MNZ waters lcuk19:41
MNZthis keeps happening19:42
kerioit's weird that half of the discussions here are basically constant nokia-bashing19:42
kerioand yet we all agree the n900 is a wonderful piece of hardware19:42
MNZkerio, it's either that or lcuk wilting or RST38h mooing19:42
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MNZthis channel is the shit19:42
lcukmost people dont do nokia bashing19:42
lcukMNZ, i have just reached time of day when i need nourishment19:43
chem|stMNZ: watch it!19:43
lcukso what should we discuss mnz?19:43
* lcuk is all up for new topics19:43
* lcuk was playing n-speed last night19:43
keriothe misuse of the hardware codec by nokia19:43
MNZI wasn't suggesting changing topics :D I like it as it is19:44
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lcuki cant find a mod sample extractor tho19:44
lcuk(amiga music mods)19:44
lcukn-speed has a sample set and uses tracker mods for its music19:44
lcukand I am *sure* they are taken from the amiga game lotus esprit turbo challenge19:45
lcukand remized19:45
lcuki want to see if the "you will not copy this game" sample remains19:45
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lcukhaha i just realised the first map is driving around an n-gage shaped track :D19:46
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pupniklcuk: load the mod into any tracker and you can see the sample list19:50
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lcuki havent got any that can load it19:51
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GNUtoo|laptophi, where can I find the n900 kernel?19:52
GNUtoo|laptopI'd like to read the SSI speech driver19:52
MNZGNUtoo|laptop, in scratchbox: apt-get source kernel19:53
MNZthough not sure if that driver is open source19:53
GNUtoo|laptopok but I've no n900 yet19:53
Stskeepsit is19:53
MNZGNUtoo|laptop, you don't need an n90019:53
GNUtoo|laptopI'm looking which next-phone to buy, the match is between n900 and palm pre19:53
MNZdon't get me wrong. You WANT an N900, you just don't necessarily need it for development :D19:54
GNUtoo|laptopI need to find the kernel sources to decide19:54
GNUtoo|laptopbecause I'm an embedded developper19:55
GNUtoo|laptopI've commit access to openembedded19:55
GNUtoo|laptopI know a bit the kenrel19:55
GNUtoo|laptopso why not using the n900 for development?19:55
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MNZGNUtoo|laptop, you'll want to start here
GNUtoo|laptopok thanks, anyway I would do system development...not writing an app19:56
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GNUtoo|laptopI'm looking now19:56
MNZlook at the kernel part19:56
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MNZand how to set up the development environment (scratchbox)19:56
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GNUtoo|laptopI've found the gitorious website19:59
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crashanddie_Khertan, ping20:01
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GNUtoo|laptopnice I found it20:05
GNUtoo|laptopthanks a lot20:05
kerioi'm watching the apple special event20:06
kerioam i gay for steve jobs?20:06
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crashanddie_did it just start?20:06
kerio6 minutes20:06
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kerioOMG HDR PHOTOS20:10
keriooh wait, fcamera does that already20:10
keriowhy does steve jobs have pics of hot boys on his iphone20:10
bilboedmaybe they'll announce RAW photos in sprint20:11
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crashanddiekerio: holy crap, project sword looks good20:13
kerio:o bumpmapping20:13
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Khertancrashanddie, pong20:14
Khertanoh an apple special event ? on wednesday ?20:15
kerioi only noticed some *minor* frame drops20:15
kerioit's really cool20:15
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keriodoes the n900 have printing? :(20:17
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MohammadAG51kerio, not directly20:18
SpeedEvilapt-get install lpd20:19
RST38hSo, what has Steve Jobs invented now?20:19
wolf^"stream photos over wifi"? :>20:19
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SpeedEvil'Detect reciprocating movement, and display porn' ?20:20
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kerioRST38h: cool interface to print20:20
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timophstreaming photos? wtf20:21
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keriooh yeah, you can stream multimedia shit to iphones/ipods/ipads now20:21
MohammadAG51timoph, it's like streaming videos, but for photos20:21
kerioit's stupid20:21
jpinxN900why is it so slow to update?20:21
keriowho has pr0n saved anyway20:21
MohammadAG51jacekowski apparently20:22
timophmust be magical20:22
jpinxN900is this normal?20:22
KhertanHigh Dynamic Range Photos: <<<<< mouarf !!!! aahhahaha20:22
Khertanon an iphone20:22
jacekowskiwell, no20:22
kerioKhertan: it does what fcamera does20:22
keriothree photos20:22
Khertankerio, yep exactly20:22
kerioalthough fcamera doesn't merge them :[20:22
MohammadAG51hdrcapture does20:23
MohammadAG51i think20:23
* RST38h eeks20:23
KhertanLe nouvel AirTunes, pour lire Audio / Vidéo / Photos sur tous les Mac et périphériques. <<< wahou steve jobs discovers upnp20:23
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* RST38h would still like to have HDR as a function of the stock Maemo camera app20:23
Khertanhdrcapture merge them20:23
kerioKhertan: ooh20:23
SpeedEvilHDR and superresolution20:24
MohammadAG51am I muted or something :P20:24
SpeedEvilYes MohammadAG51.20:24
kerioMohammadAG51: yup20:24
MohammadAG51thanks :p20:24
crashanddienew iPod shuffle (with buttons): $4920:24
wolf^and without buttons?20:24
* RST38h unmutes MohammadAG5120:24
keriowolf^: YOU NEED BUTTONS20:24
RST38hcrash: So, has He invented buttons now?20:24
RST38hWe He have the iPhone with Buttons too?20:24
wolf^iphone has one button, you don't need more20:25
crashanddieRST38h: nope, he said "we noticed people missed the buttons, so we listened and put buttons back"20:25
keriobut the new ipod nano has no buttons20:25
crashanddiebut is has multitouch20:25
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kerionew ipod nano with a tiny multitouch20:25
kerioit was known20:26
kerioit's about as big as the shuffle20:26
keriowhy would one buy the shuffle20:26
kerioin other news, welcome to #apple20:26
SpeedEvilI love my latest apple product.20:26
KhertanWolf^ magical pad have any button ... so why a phone need one ?20:26
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keriowhat's your latest apple product?20:27
SpeedEvilTake two apples, chop roughly, removing the core. Add maybe 40g of sugar, and microwave for 3 minutes. Lovely with pork.20:27
SpeedEvilI call it iSauce.20:27
kerioinb4 no ipod classic20:28
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kerio32gb of music should be enough for everyone20:28
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Khertankerio, huM ... 32gb isn't enough20:28
kerioKhertan: i know20:28
MohammadAG5146GBs used here20:29
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kerioOMG THE WIGGLE20:29
MohammadAG51err? wiggle?20:29
kerioto move icons20:29
MohammadAG51oh, lol20:29
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keriowell, you can rotate the screen20:30
keriothat's one thing my n900 can't do20:30
crashanddiewell, hate it or love it, they're being very consistent throughout their product line, and the scrolling is 20 times smoother than anything we have on the n90020:30
RST38hOMG He is announcing "Bugs fixed" at the top of his first iOS 4.1 slide20:30
* RST38h dreams of the top Maemo cheese doing the same20:30
wolf^"new bugs added"20:30
keriocrashanddie: they also don't have a keyboard :<20:30
_trineis there an app that if you lost your phone you could ring it and it would tell you its position using GPS20:31
crashanddie_trine: yes20:31
kerio_trine: Find My Iphone20:31
keriopay a mobileme subscription20:31
crashanddiekerio: it's not a phone, there's no point in having a keyboard on a music player20:31
MohammadAG51it's not a phone20:31
keriocrashanddie: the ipod touch is like a tablet20:31
MohammadAG51it has the word phone in it20:31
MohammadAG51but it's not a phone20:31
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kerioMohammadAG51: the ipod nano20:32
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MohammadAG51that's an iphone without the phone part20:32
kerioomg they outsold nintendo20:32
Khertanoh ... i simply ssh to my n900 and launch the media player with a music from amon amarth ... so if i left it in the garage ... i can hear it20:32
kerioexcept that they have crappy games20:32
SpeedEvilI just type 'beep' and it plays the fanfare.20:32
kerioinb4 buttons20:32
RST38hKhertan: Not hardcore enough20:33
RST38hKhertan: Real Hardcore Geeks (tm) listen their music in XTerm, over SSH20:33
kerioomg camera20:33
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kerioRST38h: they use a CRT monitor to send their music to a nearby AM radio20:33
MohammadAG51dpkg-deb (subprocess): failed to exec tar: No such file or directory20:33
kerioMohammadAG51: i don't like the sound of that20:34
MohammadAG51-sh: ./tar: Stale NFS file handle20:34
KhertanRST38h, i use ssh and mafw dbus command ... i'm a dev ... not a geek20:34
kerioKhertan: accept it20:34
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RST38hMohammad: Your N900 has grown nfs20:34
MohammadAG51wtf is stale nfs file handle?20:34
kerioMohammadAG51: i think it's a file handle over nfs that's stale20:35
RST38hmeans the directory . has ceased to exist20:35
keriothey're eliminating the ipod classic :(20:35
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MohammadAG51and how do i fsck it?20:36
MohammadAG51opt's corrupt20:36
kerioyou know, the iWatch is cool20:36
keriobut there's no wifi :(20:36
MNZkerio, why are you sad?20:36
kerioi decided that my next watch will have NTP support20:37
lcukyou know, in the #apple channel they are discussing the n900 now20:37
* lcuk facepalms20:37
keriolcuk: really? :o20:37
lcukthey should be20:37
kerioyou're lying :(20:37
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lcuki'm not20:37
lcukgo in and ask20:37
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Khertanlcuk, you lie20:38
lcukhave you asked them?20:38
MNZdon't start a flame war :D20:38
MNZon second thought20:38
MNZlets start a flame war20:38
kerioMNZ: less chat more hw eq20:38
* MNZ goes back to DSP literature :(20:39
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kerioomg no cd20:39
MNZooh I think I'm gonna stay #apple for gems like these20:40
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MNZ<sketchstudios> is the ipod nano 3rd gen retina dsplay lol20:40
pupnikcan i piggyback cells onto my notebook power-pack?20:40
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pupnikit would be fun to make a battery pack that covers the entire base20:41
Khertani was a fan of apple os in the past... but the mentality change since the switch to the intel cpu20:41
lcukany decent games come out recently20:42
Khertanping ... Lol ... the worst name to choose for a social network20:43
kerioSeptember 1st 2010: Apple invents last.fm20:43
MNZ* MiserySoft ( has joined ##apple20:43
KhertanWhen Facebook and Twitter meet iTunes. <<< hum ... a other failed ?20:44
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Khertanif they integrate twitter i hope they use oauth :)20:44
Khertanas basic auth was cut today on twitter :)20:45
* Jaffa noticed20:45
MNZnah they'll probably invent a new mechanism and force twitter to adapt it20:45
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JaffaA pain for the MWKN checker script20:45
* lcuk goes and plays with pretty stuff20:45
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KhertanJaffa, is it in python ?20:50
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KhertanJaffa, as if it s the case i can help you20:51
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Jaffacrashanddie: Fancy modifying scripts/ and scripts/ under to use OAuth?20:51
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JaffaKhertan: Perl. Hermes is Python.20:53
JaffaKhertan: That needs doing too20:53
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Khertanouch ... perl i really can't help you ;)20:53
JaffaKhertan: But Herme has OAuth code for LinkedcIn already, so that should be straightforward20:54
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crashanddieis the stream cutting out for anyone else?21:01
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RST38hDoc: Here?21:05
crashanddieJaffa: dunno21:06
crashanddieJaffa: what happened, don't it work no more?21:07
DocScrutinizerRST38h: temporarily21:08
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Arkenoisomething is wrong with either google or nuevasync21:18
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* RST38h suspects nuevasync21:19
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crashanddiedamnit, wozniac has become a fat fuck21:25
MohammadAGlol my N900 is fucked up21:25
MohammadAGall letter shows as squares21:25
MohammadAGicons in menu gone21:25
kthomas_vh_hey!  what's with dissing the Woz?21:25
MohammadAGbusybox is fucked up too21:25
* kthomas_vh_ looks at his own belly21:25
keriothe woz is always the woz21:29
kerioeven if it has three times the mass required for a single skinny nerd21:30
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kthomas_vh_skinny nerds,  alas,  tend to grow into fat nerds21:30
kthomas_vh_and skinny super-nerds...21:30
Venemo~seen lcuk21:31
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infobotlcuk is currently on #maemo (2d 8h 51m 47s) #meego (2d 8h 51m 47s). Has said a total of 462 messages. Is idling for 48m 37s, last said: 'any decent games come out recently'.21:31
keriokthomas_vh_: huh?21:31
keriofat nerds are fat nerds21:31
kerioskinny nerds are skinny nerds21:31
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* kthomas_vh_ refers kerio to The Hacker's Diet21:32
kerioyeah but truly skinny nerds stay skinny21:32
keriothe lucky bastards21:32
crashanddielcuk: starcraft 221:32
keriolcuk: unnethack21:33
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GAN900kerio, not as fun as it sounds.21:33
kerioit is21:33
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GAN900kerio, staying skinny. :P21:34
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GAN900crashanddie, that game is evil.21:34
crashanddieGAN900: do you have it?21:35
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* GAN900 was having flashbacks to middle school playing yesterday.21:35
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GAN900I dunno how many all-nighters we pulled between StarCraft and Smash Bros.21:35
GAN900crashanddie, yes.21:35
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crashanddieGAN900: shame we can't play together :(21:36
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crashanddieblizzard killed international gaming :(21:36
crashanddieanyway, going for food21:36
crashanddieGAN900: the servers are limited between continents21:36
kerioGAN900: no LAN21:37
* MohammadAG doubts anyone can do this kind of damage to the N900's fs,
kerioand separation between servers21:37
crashanddieGAN900: remember how when subscribing it asked for your continent?21:37
GAN900Wait, what?21:37
kerioMohammadAG: pff21:37
kerioi can delete fonts too21:37
GAN900You can't play internationally AT ALL?21:37
kerioGAN900: nope21:37
MohammadAGkerio, I didn't delete fonts21:37
MohammadAGthey went away with the reboot21:37
kerioblizzard knows what's best for you!21:37
infobotMohammadAG meant: ay went away with the reboot21:37
crashanddieGAN900: well, Europe can play with other europeans, but the french can't play with US21:37
GAN900They messed up Custom Games, too.21:37
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MohammadAGkerio, icons died too21:38
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GAN900Well, this'll be the last of my money Blizzard gets.21:42
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kerioexcept when they make another ridiculously awesome game21:44
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GAN900kerio, I forsee that becoming less and less likely.21:44
lcukMohammadAG, you just lost opt21:46
kerioopt... is gone21:46
kerioyou bastard!21:46
MohammadAGopt, OPT, come back sweetie21:46
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GAN900Making the most powerful mod engine ever then making it useless by monetizing every tiny thing is awesome.21:47
* MohammadAG cries21:47
GAN900Half the reason SC was played for 12 years were the custom maps.21:47
MohammadAGlcuk, hmm, I think I lost /home21:47
RST38hNever underestimate corpse avarice21:47
MohammadAGeMMC reflash it is21:47
MNZyou gotta FLASH IT UP!21:48
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MohammadAGwasn't there some sed hack to repartition the eMMC?21:48
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MohammadAGbacking up MyDocs will take some time :S21:48
kerioMohammadAG: lol21:48
lcukMohammadAG, technically just flashing emmc on its own won't help21:48
kerioyeah, you need to reflash anything21:49
MohammadAGI'm flashing both lcuk21:49
lcukreasonable enough21:49
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lcukGAN900, starcraft is still played isnt it21:49
* kerio hugs MohammadAG and tells him it's going to be alright21:49
MohammadAGDCIM/ is huge21:49
smharit seems I am getting close to a limit, I tried updating a package and got this error:  not enough space in application install memory21:49
smharbut in conky, I still have 41.75mb free in rootfs, 151.16 in home and more than 6gb in mydocs21:49
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lcukMohammadAG, it should be backed up anyway :P21:50
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lcuksmhar, then I guess you hit the limit21:50
MohammadAGhaven't backed up MyDocs in ages21:50
GAN900(and the fact that many people are Korean)21:50
MohammadAGI wonder if my eMMC is broken21:50
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lcukthere is a minimum size due to the nature of rootfs being compressed21:51
* ShadowJK backed up /home/* yesterday, including MyDocs21:51
ShadowJKrsync ftw21:51
smharis this a hard limit or is there a way to change it?21:51
MohammadAGShadowJK, except when /home is corrupt21:51
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ShadowJKthat happened once :)21:51
* ShadowJK formatted it and restored from backup21:52
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MohammadAGls: opt/lybniz: Input/output error21:52
MohammadAGls: opt/secretexit: Input/output error21:52
MohammadAGls: opt/vagalume: Stale NFS file handle21:52
MohammadAGls: opt/cell-modem-ui: Stale NFS file handle21:52
MohammadAGls: opt/nhouse: Input/output error21:52
MohammadAGls: opt/supertux: Input/output error21:52
MNZMohammadAG, what happens if you remount opt?21:53
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ShadowJKdid you run fsck on it?21:53
secyritassounds like a healthy N90021:53
MohammadAGShadowJK, how?21:53
MohammadAGit's always mounted21:53
ShadowJKgood, don't do it, it makes it worse21:53
MNZthe Stale NFS file handle thing is very weird21:54
ShadowJKI did it from rc.sysinit iirc, before it was mounted21:54
DocScrutinizerstale NFS hande == you're busted. Reflash21:54
jacekowski20:52 < MohammadAG> ls: opt/cell-modem-ui: Stale NFS file handle21:54
MohammadAGthat's what it says, not me21:54
MNZyeah, where does nfs come in here?21:54
MohammadAGit happened on my ext4 PC once21:54
MohammadAGhad to format21:54
jacekowskiwell, ext4 is like a /dev/null with delayed trigger21:55
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MohammadAGgrr, laptop's battery is low21:55
MohammadAGit keeps showing me an error message in the yellow banner21:55
MohammadAGit's not from telepathy, went offline21:56
ShadowJKunexpected poweroff/reset with harddrive filesystem on sd/mmc is pretty bad :(21:56
DocScrutinizereverything in inodes looking sufficiently weird to FS handler is considered a stale NFS handle21:56
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kerioby the way, guy with explosives threatening the discovery channel HQ21:56
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ShadowJKtomtom did extensive testing on the topic, iirc21:56 is streaming fox news21:56
luke-jrjacekowski: every mainstream distro uses ext4 by default now21:56
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slonopotamusluke-jr, even gentoo?!21:57
ShadowJKand eventually they settled on ext2 mounted sync, in an image file on vfat.. or the other way around, with vfat being -o sync21:57
keriobrtfs is where it's at21:57
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MNZhahahaa I read that as britfs for a second21:58
MohammadAGexport slicedbreak=ext321:58
ShadowJKI don't think any fs can deal with powerloss on sd/mmc :/21:58
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MohammadAGI thought ext4 was the next best thing after $slicedbread21:58
luke-jrslonopotamus: Gentoo has no default21:59
keriosliced bread sucks21:59
kerioyou guys outside of Italy really fail at eating21:59
cehtehShadikka: log structured filesystems should be pretty safe in that regard, with the cost of excessive writes21:59
MNZI prefer pita bread personally21:59
slonopotamusluke-jr, it has recomendations in handbook21:59
ShadowJKext4 is the extra booster rockets bolted on to ext3 to keep the ship going until btrfs stops exploding and imploding violently21:59
MohammadAGMNZ, pain in the ass bread?21:59
cehteherr ShadowJK21:59
MohammadAGnever heard of that21:59
MNZok, it does sound dirty22:00
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luke-jranyhow, I usually use ext4-minus-journal for SSD now22:00
MohammadAGwhat, that's what pita means :P22:00
MohammadAG~wtf pita22:00
infobotPITA: pain in the ass22:00
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keriojournals are good, aren't they22:00
MohammadAGnot on a flash based disk22:00
MNZI know. It also means though22:00
ShadowJKcehteh, yeah I'm using nilfs2 on my sheevaplug (usb flash disk as storage)22:00
cehtehluke-jr: the no-journal doesnt give you anything22:00
kerioShadowJK: what sheevaplug?22:00
kerioold one or new one?22:00
cehtehShadikka: yes my nilfs tests are very promising also on spinning disks22:00
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ShadowJKthe first one22:01
luke-jrcehteh: it makes it more reliable on failure22:01
kerioi currently have ubuntu on a SD with ext3 :|22:01
cehtehluke-jr: how that?22:01
MohammadAGMNZ, oh, never knew it was called pita22:01
luke-jrcehteh: with-journal causes the filesystem driver to jump to a bunch of false conclusions22:01
luke-jrwithout-journal means it will get checked properly22:01
MNZMohammadAG, haven't you ever seen arab stereotype videos :O ?22:02
ShadowJKWell on proper sata connected ssd you het ncq and stuff so the fs knows what data has been written, and can enforce data ordering..22:02
MohammadAGwtf 6.7G/home/mohammad/MyDocs.tar.gz22:02
cehtehluke-jr: does it fake barriers or what?22:02
MohammadAGhow is it 6.7GBs when the drive is almost full22:02
ShadowJKon sd/mmc you just lose random 128k chunks22:02
luke-jrcehteh: …22:02
kerioi'm also using a bigass 1tb external drive22:02
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MohammadAGShadowJK, 22GBs of chunks?22:02
ShadowJKMohammadAG, lost chains22:03
kerioread/write on the SD happens rarely22:03
MohammadAGoh god22:03
ShadowJKit happens all the time on n900 :D22:03
MohammadAGor tar has the best compression I've seen in my life22:03
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MNZyou mean gz22:03
MohammadAG21GBs, normal cp22:03
kerioMohammadAG: you really fucked up your eMMC22:03
MohammadAGyes, tar.gz22:03
luke-jrMohammadAG: tar has no compression22:03
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MohammadAGyes yes, my bad22:03
kerioMohammadAG: i'd use ddrecover22:03
jacekowskiMohammadAG: bz2 is better22:03
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MohammadAGjacekowski, lzma is better than all 322:04
jacekowskiMohammadAG: and lzma is better than bz222:04
ShadowJKit's slower22:04
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cehtehMohammadAG: squashfs does it awesomly better ... #22:04
slonopotamusMohammadAG, 22 gigs of /dev/zero?22:04
keriojacekowski: i assume he's using socat to transfer the tar directly to another computer22:04
luke-jrlzma is impractical on little RAM22:04
cehtehif only squashfs had a stable format :P22:04
ShadowJKxz XD22:04
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keriowith bzip or lzma, cpu/ram could become the bottleneck22:04
kerioas opposed to network22:04
MohammadAGlzma is awesome22:04
MohammadAGon an i522:04
MohammadAGon an N900...22:04
cehtehits much more efficient than tar cpu, speed and space wise22:04
ShadowJKI use pbzip2 on my Q955022:05
kerioor tar.lzma?22:05
smharis this a hard limit or is there a way to change it?22:05
cehtehfor short time backups and not archiving data thats really a choice22:05
MohammadAG30 minutes left, g_nokia is slow :P22:05
MohammadAGor was it g_file_storage22:05
* ShadowJK wishes a 2.83 GHz quad core2 cpu was fast enough to not slow down on adobe flash ;p22:05
MohammadAGplugin-container raped my old laptop22:06
MohammadAGused to max out the poor 1.7GHz single core centrino22:06
ShadowJKsometimes it goes into a crash frenzy too22:06
MohammadAGit used to crash my compiz22:06
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ShadowJKi was trying to view a web page entirely in flash, like 9 flash things. One for menu, one for secondary menu, one for each paragraph of content22:07
MohammadAGjust got a text message, guess what, I can't read it22:07
MohammadAGhildon-desktop crashed xD22:07
ShadowJKI was clicking refresh repeatedly because 7/9 of those would crash flash player22:07
ShadowJKexcept not always the same 722:07
kerioShadowJK: lol22:08
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ShadowJKeach refresh showed another small random piece of the page :|22:09
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ShadowJKit took ages to navigate22:09
ShadowJKstupid flash :/22:09
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smharok, I am using claws-mail as my email client in N900 -for the lack of an an alternative- and it is not very bad -compared to Modest-, but it seems it stores its files in the main /home which is eating valuable space, can I make it store them in MyDocs?22:09
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ShadikkaIf nothing else, symlink the folder to MyDocs22:10
keriosymlink the DAMMIT Shadikka22:10
ShadowJKthis time autocomplete did not highlight the wrong shad*22:10
smharI  think symlinking a lot of folders -for different programs is in order22:11
smharbut why did Nokia decide to make MyDocs Fat32 fs?22:12
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ShadowJKatleast claws on maemo4 was fine with the email folders/cache on vfat22:12
smharmohammadAG, are there still people using those? :-)22:12
MohammadAGsmhar, what's wrong with PS3s?22:13
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smharnever had it, so not sure22:13
kerioyay more nokiabashing22:13
smharmohammadAG, I meant people using windows :-022:13
keriothe ps3 is not that bad22:13
MohammadAGoh, I don't :P22:13
MohammadAGit was hacked, more GPU power for us22:14
kerioexcept that sony customers apparently like to get raped in the ass on a regular basis22:14
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MohammadAGNokia-N900:~$ hildon-desktop22:44
MohammadAGSegmentation fault22:44
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VenemoMohammadAG: lol22:45
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mikki-kunthat's just awesome :o22:51
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lcukMohammadAG, you win22:52
lcukdid you reformat22:52
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MohammadAG99% eMMC download22:53
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kerioMohammadAG: great job22:54
MohammadAGmohammad@mohammad-i5laptop:~/Downloads$ strings RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin | grep 204822:55
MohammadAGsize = 2048;22:55
keriodid you randomly look for "2048" in the emmc image?22:55
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MohammadAG2GBs = 204822:56
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MohammadAGsed -i filename s/2048/3072/g?22:57
MohammadAGidk sed22:57
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* MohammadAG pokes DocScrutinizer 22:59
MNZMohammadAG, that would change all instances of 2048 though, is there only one?22:59
MohammadAGthe file is interesting23:00
MohammadAG        partition {23:00
MohammadAG                size = 768;23:00
MohammadAG                fs_type = "swap";23:00
MohammadAGyou can add partitions yourself23:00
MohammadAG        partition {23:00
MohammadAG                size = 2048;23:00
MohammadAG                fs_type = "ext3";23:00
MohammadAG                prefix = "home";23:00
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VenemoMohammadAG: what caused the segfault?23:01
VenemoMohammadAG: k23:01
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DocScrutinizeradd a second swap, so you can switch between them every now and then, defragmenting swap space23:05
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* DocScrutinizer hopes this wouldn't crash the evil out of maemo, due to changed partiton numbering23:06
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kerioadd more swap23:07
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kerioadd 6gb of swap23:07
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DocScrutinizerBS, even 768 are way too much23:07
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MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, how do I change 2048 to 3072?23:08
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DocScrutinizersed -e 's/2048/3999/' filename23:09
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steinexif it's a binary, it will most probably corrupt it :)23:10
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MNZno, same number of bytes, no harm done23:10
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crashanddielol, MNZ 2048 bytes isn't the same as 3999 bytes!!!23:12
crashanddieit's like nearly double23:12
MNZ2048 = 4 bytes23:12
MNZ3999 = 4 bytes23:12
MNZI mean '2048' = 4 bytes23:13
crashanddieand the worst part is that he thinks I'm serious :)23:13
MNZdamn trolls23:13
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: probably you'll also want to add -i23:14
crashanddieDocScrutinizer: you never know, uppercase digits are dangerous23:14
DocScrutinizerfor 'in-place edit'23:14
MNZcrash and die crashanddie >:K23:14
ZuccaIs there a file where I can add lines that are executed upon connection opening on Maemo 5?23:14
MohammadAG<DocScrutinizer> BS, even 768 are way too much23:14
MohammadAGtoo much?23:14
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DocScrutinizerwhat use is in waiting 5min for swap to finish?23:15
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DocScrutinizerbut meh23:17
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DocScrutinizerignore me23:17
crashanddieMNZ: get original mate :)23:19
jacekowskiMohammadAG: there was something that can assemble combined image from parts23:19
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: you should grep for 2048 to make sure there are no multiple occurences though23:19
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, I did, none23:20
MohammadAGkept swap as it is23:20
MohammadAGnow to brick it23:20
MohammadAGerr, flash23:20
jacekowskiand use hex editor23:20
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jacekowskinot some sed trickery that may fuck it up23:20
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DocScrutinizerk, otherwise you'd need longer match, or specify nr of occurence23:20
MohammadAGhmm, shit23:21
MohammadAGforgot to backup ~23:21
MohammadAGgood thing N900 refused to turn off23:21
DocScrutinizerjacekowski: there will be no fsckup23:21
jacekowskii don't trust sed23:21
jacekowskiit can do regexps23:21
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MNZjacekowski, you don't qualify for the hacker title unless you have perled seded awked and bashed your way through hordes of problems with more sane answers23:22
jacekowskii've got no problem with awk and bash23:23
jacekowskibut whenever it comes close to perl23:23
DocScrutinizerjacekowski: well actually some implementations might fail on lines >16k chars23:23
DocScrutinizeror some other random max linelength23:23
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jacekowskibesides, that binary edit is probably not going to work23:23
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jacekowskiiirc that image is checksummed23:24
jacekowskiit's not fiasco image23:24
DocScrutinizerit works, somebody did exactly this before23:24
satmdso it's a fiasco23:24
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lcukDocScrutinizer, so problem sorted?23:40
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lcukgood stuff23:41
DocScrutinizeryeah actually. A lot of people more happy now23:41
lcukDocScrutinizer, do you happen to know what sort of chipsets the early nokia phones have23:41
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GNUtoo|laptophi DocScrutinizer23:42
DocScrutinizerlcuk: not really, off top of my head23:42
GNUtoo|laptopDocScrutinizer, do you have an idea on how to feed /dev/cmt_speech23:42
ieatlintfuck recruiters who read programming questions from a form incorrectly for me to try and answer23:42
DocScrutinizerGNUtoo|laptop: sorry, nope23:42
lcukGNUtoo|laptop, can't you use the text to speech thing23:42
GNUtoo|laptopbecause I've looked at the driver, it seem similar to SSI23:42
* lcuk made it say hello to him the other night23:43
DocScrutinizerGNUtoo|laptop: I guess it actually is23:43
lcukbut i couldnt get it direct for some reason23:43
GNUtoo|laptopbut usually DAI are attached to a codec23:43
lcuki had to save as wav then playback23:43
GNUtoo|laptopand the driver seem to write what you give him23:43
MohammadAGfiasco first, then eMMC23:44
MohammadAGapparently it boots into a different flashing mode for the eMMC23:44
MohammadAGMk II or something23:44
GNUtoo|laptoplcuk, I'm evaluating if I should buy a n900 or a palm pre, in order to do that I want to know if SHR(an angstrom, openembedded distro) can run without issue and without proprietary stuff23:44
MohammadAGand RAW EP23:44
GNUtoo|laptopon palm-pre-plus it should straingtforward....but on n900 there are many unknowns23:44
lcukpupnik, i saw a thing recently that the first commercial gsm call was from Nokia in Helsinki23:44
GNUtoo|laptopand n900 has far better hardware23:44
pupnikhah cool23:45
lcukit would be great to find the model and chipset23:45
pupniki gots ta haves me some RAMEN23:45
keriothe n900 has a lot of hardware23:45
lcukok dude23:45
kerioif you wanted to write truly efficient software on it, you could do incredible things23:45
lcukGNUtoo|laptop, the n900 kicks the ass of things with better hardware23:45
lcukbut i am biased23:45
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kerioand i mean *truly* incredible things23:45
GNUtoo|laptopI know....but if I can't make phonecalls the interest lower a lot23:45
lcukkerio, yeah23:46
kerioi mean, if we manage to unlock rapuyama23:46
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lcukbut that same software breaks compatability23:46
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GNUtoo|laptopa pandora or something like that would be cheaper23:46
kerioand if you also wanted to use the DSP, the codec, and the led cpu23:46
lcukkerio, nahh those can be done by the other things23:46
lcuktechnically the cpu can do the rendering just fine.23:46
keriolcuk: yeah but efficiency23:46
kerioif anything, you should try to offload stuff as much as you can23:46
lcukefficiency involves doing less23:46
keriowhat's the graphical chip?23:46
keriomaybe we can use that too23:47
lcukand of course using the right part23:47
MohammadAGPowerVR SGX23:47
lcukdepends on how you use it23:47
DocScrutinizerGNUtoo|laptop: why wouldn't you be able to do phonecalls? all that's involved is rather open, and on meego it will be completely open23:47
MohammadAGsorry, but afaik the one in the 3G S is better23:47
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lcukMohammadAG, the apple OS has a shorter pipeline23:47
kerioMohammadAG: :(23:47
keriolcuk: heh, that's what she said23:47
GNUtoo|laptopDocScrutinizer, will meego support n900? I'm not sure23:47
kerioGNUtoo|laptop: eventually, sure23:48
keriowhy not23:48
lcukkerio, in this case a longer pipeline is bad23:48
GNUtoo|laptopDocScrutinizer, there is some initial ophono support23:48
DocScrutinizerit already does23:48
DocScrutinizerthough WIP23:48
GNUtoo|laptopbut it's far from complete for n90023:48
keriomeego isn't even out yet23:48
lcukGNUtoo|laptop, linux is far from complete23:48
MohammadAGyeah, it can't do the dishes23:48
keriowith a n900 you get about the same experience you get from linux on desktop23:48
DocScrutinizer#meego-arm even23:48
kerioit's up to you to decide if that's a bad thing23:48
lcukits just the collective best intentions of a few people to make it work23:48
* lcuk defines few as being in their thousands :P23:49
MohammadAGjacekowski, image worked23:49
MohammadAGit didn't give a crap about changes23:49
GNUtoo|laptopkerio,  I want the same experience as any oe device23:49
* MohammadAG checks if /home is 3GBs23:49
keriooe device?23:49
MohammadAGyay Nokia hands23:49
GNUtoo|laptopI know meego/maemo is great for a general user23:49
GNUtoo|laptopbut I'm rather a developper23:49
kerioit's really not23:49
GNUtoo|laptopkerio, openembedded23:49
lcukawesome quote23:49
keriothe day after i bought it i was reconfiguring half the keyboard23:49
MohammadAGthis is racism, why isn't israel in the regions list23:50
lcukGNUtoo|laptop, please can I use that23:50
lcuk"<GNUtoo|laptop> I know meego/maemo is great for a general user23:50
lcuk<GNUtoo|laptop> but I'm rather a developper"23:50
DocScrutinizerGNUtoo|laptop: have you talked with mickey and paul and dos and jama?23:50
lcukand there we have it, we have crossed the line!23:50
GNUtoo|laptoplcuk, if you want to use my quote, yes feel free23:50
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lcukGNUtoo|laptop, i am joking23:50
MohammadAGholy crap this is fast23:50
GNUtoo|laptopDocScrutinizer, was there a meeting?23:50
lcukMohammadAG, maemo is fast23:51
GNUtoo|laptopDocScrutinizer, I've talked only to morphis and the n900 guy23:51
MohammadAG2.81GBs available, yay23:51
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DocScrutinizerthere was a sort of a project kickoff: OM/SHR on N90023:51
GNUtoo|laptopI missed that23:51
GNUtoo|laptopI'll go in openmoko-cdevel23:51
DocScrutinizerall four got their N900 and are about to port away :-D23:51
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GNUtoo|laptopDocScrutinizer, were they donated?23:52
DocScrutinizeryep - pfuuu, after lots of pushing :-D23:52
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GNUtoo|laptopwas it yesterday?23:53
GNUtoo|laptopbecause I was absent yesterday23:53
DocScrutinizerDHL delivered23:53
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GNUtoo|laptopshould I add myself somewhere or there is no chance? I'm too late I bet23:55
GNUtoo|laptopin french they say that I'm comming after the battle23:55
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lupine_85so, my N900 has bluetooth and an IR transceiver. does this mean I can use a wiimote with it accurately? :)23:56
DocScrutinizerGNUtoo|laptop: yep :-/23:56
lcuklupine_85, ?23:56
lcukthe wiimote has a camera?23:56
lupine_85it's essentially an IR camera, yeah23:56
lupine_85it reports its position relative to an IR source via bluetooth23:56
lcukie specifically not an IR transceiver (which N900 doesnt have anyway)23:56
DocScrutinizerGNUtoo|laptop: though you never know23:56
GNUtoo|laptopand what about developer discount?23:57
GNUtoo|laptopis there one?23:57
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lupine_85I can't think of a /use/ for it that'd be relevant to an N900, but it sounds fun23:58
keriobuy it used23:58
kerioit's no big deal23:58
SpeedEvilIt doesn't quite.23:58
lcuklupine_85, :) watch this silly video23:58
SpeedEvilIt reports the position of the brightest n IR sources in the field of view, and the accel orientation23:58
DocScrutinizerlupine_85: N900 has IR TX only, no RX23:58
lupine_85that's a bit odd23:59
SpeedEvilAnd you need >1 IR source for orientation.23:59
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lcuklupine_85, can you tell out how it works?23:59
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