IRC log of #maemo for Sunday, 2010-08-22

timelesse.g. i call +1800555TELL daily using skype from my n90000:00
lcuknot that it matters, but if the system is still operational and does work00:00
timelesstypically while walking to work00:00
timelessit does00:00
lcukahh k00:00
timelessi'm not having problems w/ the system itself00:00
oneilow can i rectify this- when  i tried to download the kmplayer my n900 prompts that i need this application package-xsltproc00:00
lcukits the implementation on 800 only00:00
timelessi'm having problems w/ entering numbers to a different phone target00:00
timelessi don't pay skype for service00:00
timelessso i don't know how it fairs otherwise :)00:01
oneilow can i rectify this- when  i tried to download the kmplayer my n900 prompts that@i nee this application package-xsltproc00:01
timelessin general w/ tellme i've had reasonably good handling of tone dialing00:01
lcukhmm not sure, I dont think I ever connected skype to my 81000:01
nox-Carneque, i dunno about apache but you can use python's BaseHTTPServer00:01
oneilow can i rectify this- when  i tried to download the kmplayer my n900 prompts that@i nee this application package-xsltproc00:01
lcukor if I did, I did not maintain the details00:01
nox-Carneque, for simple things at least :)00:02
lcukoneil, see if package exists00:02
Carnequenox - that's what I was shooting for00:02
CarnequeMake a homepage with a limited connection per day00:02
Carnequevery limited... just to do it00:02
oneilthanks lcuk00:02
Carnequeanyone else doing that in the community?00:03
CarnequeIs the ip address of the N900 an internal IP address?00:04
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nox-i only use it for localhost with a small hack to serve html from inside zipfiles... (to avoid trackerd/image-viewer getting mad on too many sprinkled html files...)00:04
nox-Carneque, on 3g usually yes00:05
nox-or at least a lot of operators use nat00:05
CarnequeI'm in europe, so I think it might be more open here00:06
nox-no here too00:06
Carnequefirst I have to get the phone... that's step one00:06
nox-you could maybe do it via wifi and a portforward on a cable/adsl router...00:07
lcuktimeless, so you have your skype configured for normal use on 8x000:08
lcukand its the same account you use happily on 900?00:08
oneillcuk, yes it was there but there so many of tem. dont know wic to download00:08
Carnequegotta go guys, thanks for the info!00:08
CarnequeWill be back!00:08
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lcukoneil, the most likely chance is that you have added extra repositories to HAM00:09
lcukand its being offered alternative variations perhaps00:09
oneili dont understand00:09
timelessre 4g00:10
DocScrutinizeroneil: usually latest (highest version nuber) for armel / fremantle is right one00:10
infobottimeless meant: re 3g00:10
timelessthat article is definitely worth a read00:11
lcukDocScrutinizer, usually if the dependencies are coming up in the main maemo repositories but coming up as uninstallable when he wants something, its because of extra repos00:11
timelessooh, look,
DocScrutinizerlcuk: sure, but how he got the orig pkg then?00:12
DocScrutinizerthere has to be some borked rdepends in that pkg, no?00:12
_0x47Hey, how is it possible I have a build dependency for libsdl-mixer1.2.8, and the autobuilder complains about some missing dependency information for 1.2?
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jacekowskiyou probably have to add libsdl-mixer1.2.8-dev or something00:15
jacekowskias build dependency00:15
jacekowskinot the library itself00:15
DocScrutinizeroneil: anyway lcuk meant you should use hildon application manager to install any app, and there add needed repositories to the catalogs00:15
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tobis87jacekowski: Hi! Were you not interested in aes acceleration?00:16
nox-oh meego uses rpm... :(00:17
lcuktimeless, thats a nice read00:17
tobis87there is a new driver for aes, and
tobis87But you have to recompile the kernel for it, so I tried to merge both patches into one, which could be compiled as a module. . I don't know what's wrong with it, since it always reboots after insetion.00:20
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tobis87this is what I tried:
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jacekowskihmm, nice one00:25
Poka64did anyone here use the front facing camera on the n900?00:25
Poka64the picture is really dark...00:26
_0x47anyone please?00:27
tobis87jacekowski: yes, It compiles fine, but I have no idea why it reboots, you should note that i also changed plat/cpu.h and plat/dma.h to march/cpu.h march/dma.h... maybe this is wrong00:27
GAN900Poka64, tiny, cheap sensor.00:27
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GAN900_0x47, can't tell you myself, but maemo-developers may be able to provide an answer.00:28
Poka64GAN900: it useless, why did they even launch skype video call with this device..00:28
_0x47GAN900: maemo-devel is kind of a dead channel, but i'll give it a try, thanks00:29
GAN900Poka64, dunno.00:29
GAN900_0x47, the mailing list.00:29
GAN900_0x47, also: here during European business hours would get you better help, too.00:30
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timelessas a hint, business hours exclude weekends :)00:30
_0x47GAN900: oh, i see. I need quick help, as I'm about to leave. If I get not help on IRC, I'll have to continue tomorrow. :( Thanks a lot tho!00:30
jacekowskiwell, i would really like to store key in device itself with remote wipe capability00:31
_0x47I'm on holiday (and from Europe) so I pretty much lost track of business days / day/night time and that stuff :D00:31
luke-jrtimeless: 2005 is even older than 200600:31
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timelessluke-jr: no way, really?00:31
lcukluke-jr, no its not00:32
luke-jras in
lcukif you travel forward, you only have to travel 1 less year00:32
timelessyeah, i know00:32
jacekowskitime travel00:33
jacekowskisome interesting stuff happens here recently00:33
timelessfirst they offered free calling to US free numbers00:33
timelesslater they added free calling to intl free numbers00:33
luke-jrthey can't offer it free forever00:35
luke-jrthese things have a cost00:35
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lcukluke-jr, its for calling free numbers00:39
lcukwhich users actually expect to be free00:39
luke-jrlcuk: they're not free to call, generally00:40
lcukgenerally in my country they are00:40
lcukso move to a civilised country :P00:40
luke-jrthere's a single service provider that I know of providing gratis toll-free calls to US numbers over a standard protocol00:41
Funnyfaceare there any estimates of the power consumption of the bluetooth on the N900? the power drain page doesn't list bluetooth :(00:41
w00t_Jaffa: what sort of things are you thinking?00:41
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oneillcuk, i have tried to download the package, th(u the application manager prompt, but it is saying the package is not compatible00:48
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GAN900Funnyface, unless you're using it, I don't think it's much.01:14
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VenemoMohammadAG51: ping01:33
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Venemo~seen MohammadAG5101:33
infobotmohammadag51 is currently on #maemo #meego. Has said a total of 141 messages. Is idling for 9h 9m 22s, last said: 'the openness of meego isn't crap, the use of rpm in it...'.01:33
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VenemoMohammadAG51: what is the exact purpose of BME on the N900?01:35
luke-jrVenemo: charge the battery01:35
Venemoluke-jr: yes, I thought so, too01:36
Venemo (comment #29)01:36
povbotBug 9314: relicense N8x0 BME01:36
Venemo"Do note that forementioned bq27200 chip is supported by Linux since before 2.6.28, and only needs some minor platform glue to work, INCLUDING the "special" battery charge level and other details. I have source for a kernel module adding this glue if anyone wants it, and recently submitted a patch to mainline adding it directly to the board file."01:36
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luke-jrVenemo: it only supports reading, not charging01:37
luke-jr(that's me, btw)01:37
Venemobasically this guy says that the kernel can handle this without BME, plus he has some "glue code" that makes things work01:37
MohammadAG51it handles charging, and reading01:37
MohammadAG51what guy?01:38
VenemoMohammadAG51: (comment #29)01:38
povbotBug 9314: relicense N8x0 BME01:38
VenemoMohammadAG51: Comment                        #29 from Luke Dashjr              (reporter)01:38
luke-jrVenemo: the kernel can handle *reading* the chip01:38
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luke-jrcharge *level*, not charging01:39
Venemoluke-jr: is that you?01:39
Venemoluke-jr: ah.01:39
Venemoluke-jr: and what about the next comment?01:39
Venemoluke-jr: "With N900 we can do charge&monitoring easily from userspace with sh script and i2ctools."01:39
VenemoI'm just curious.01:40
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luke-jrVenemo: it doesn't work as well as BME I guess01:40
luke-jrVenemo: and doesn't work at all on N8x001:40
Venemoluke-jr: well, I'm only thinking about the N900 now01:40
MohammadAG51DocScrutinizer, SpeedEvil and ShadowJK were (/are) working on a bme replacement01:40
luke-jrVenemo: open a different bug? :P01:41
MohammadAG51garage project: jrbme01:41
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Venemowell, comment 30 claims this about the N900:01:41
VenemoI'm actually most of the time running my N900 without bme, using a set of scripts I wrote for my own use01:41
Venemoso... if the guys working on USB host mode could use his script, then they could get rid of BME alltogether01:42
MohammadAG51bme isn't a blocker01:42
VenemoMohammadAG51: hm, I thought it was01:43
luke-jrit is IMO01:43
MohammadAG51not at all01:43
luke-jreven with BME01:43
luke-jrMohammadAG51: how can you charge w/ host mode?01:43
Venemoanyways, with this script could be a solution to workaround BME01:44
Venemobut what is the blocker then?01:44
luke-jrMohammadAG51: where is jrbme code btw?01:44
MohammadAG51a proper devoted kernel hacker01:44
MohammadAG51or the lack of one01:44
VenemoMohammadAG51: in particular, what is missing?01:45
MohammadAG51a proper hack01:46
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MohammadAG51hostmode works for me01:46
MohammadAG51most of the time01:46
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crashanddie"Asay revisits the point that the open source development model necessarily builds on a community of contributors and users, and not the mad scientist in an ivory tower."01:47
crashanddieSounds like something Nokia and MeeGo as a whole could learn something from01:47
Jaffaw00t_: The MTF tutorial did a really good job of describing a compelling UI app which wasn't super trivial and didn't have much code. Would be interesting, if one wanted to do cross-platform stuff, to see how you'd do the same app in "pure" Qt (as much as possible).01:47
luke-jrVenemo: nothing there01:47
Jaffaw00t_: Almost like our equivalent of the old Java pet store01:47
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crashanddieand god damn, why do I have another 15 mod points on /.?01:47
Venemoluke-jr: hmm...01:48
VenemoMohammadAG51: what is the problem with the current hack?01:48
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luke-jrVenemo: it's a hack01:49
MohammadAG51not 100% reproducable01:49
MohammadAG51depends on timing01:49
VenemoMohammadAG51: oh.01:49
VenemoMohammadAG51: is there a description about it?01:50
luke-jrMohammadAG51: where is jrbme code btw?01:50
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Venemoluke-jr: well, many things are hacks. this fact alone is not a real problem01:51
MohammadAG51luke-jr ask the devs01:51
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luke-jrVenemo: yes it is01:52
luke-jrDocScrutinizer51: hey n00b wheres da code01:53
luke-jrSpeedEvil: ShadowJK too01:53
Venemoluke-jr: why?01:54
luke-jrVenemo: because it's not worth doing if you don't do it right01:55
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pupnik_  Nuance voice recognition on featurephone-class hardware01:57
pupnik_"Imagine speaking to your phone like you ask your friend a question: “Who won the Yankees game last night?” or “What does the WD in WD40 stand for?” Then imagine your phone delivering the answer in a matter of seconds"01:58
pupnik_needs open source equiv01:58
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VenemoMohammadAG51: so, could you give me a description?02:00
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SpeedEvilpupnik_: yes.02:05
SpeedEvilpupnik_: It's man-decades of work.02:05
SpeedEvilpupnik_: Well...02:06
SpeedEvilpupnik_: I would settle - reluctantly - for a paid API02:06
lcukSpeedEvil, everything is man decades of work if you go at it02:06
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lcukbut as with many things in like02:06
lcuka eureka moment hits people02:06
SpeedEvilAnd sometimes the eureka moment is 'this is really fucking hard, and they weren't wrong'.02:07
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DocScrutinizer51any recommendations or links or whatever? For 'how to playback a sound respecting profile settings'02:14
DocScrutinizer51play-sound will happily blast out at max vol, no matter if profile silent or what's the vol setting :-S02:14
lcukDocScrutinizer51, what language are you coding this in?02:15
lcuk(I don't know, but a discussion may help jog some memories02:15
DocScrutinizer51shellscript for now02:15
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lcukDocScrutinizer51, I am guessing that the sort of latency from firing off MAFW using dbus would not be wanted for your usecase02:17
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DocScrutinizer51on a sane ALSA config you'd use virtual audio devices like 'ringtone' or 'system-notify', 'system-alert', 'media' etc02:18
VenemoDocScrutinizer51: what do you mean by 'how to playback a sound respecting profile settings'?02:18
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DocScrutinizer51each of these audio devices could have its own vol slider in mixers02:19
e-yesluke-jr, what's a link for patch you sent to mainline?02:19
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DocScrutinizer51lcuk: actually latency is a minor problem atm02:20
e-yesVenemo, take a look:
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DocScrutinizer51Venemo: I want to do sth similar to 'play-sound my.wav' in a script, but have it respect vol and profile-silent settings02:22
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DocScrutinizer51lcuk: any pointers to MAFW / dbus ?02:25
lcukDocScrutinizer51, hmmm, you could try one of the dbus-send methods, just a min02:26
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lcuki am not sure if it will interupt playlist or something tho02:26
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lcukhmm DocScrutinizer51 alternative02:27
VenemoDocScrutinizer51: hm. so basically, you need some notification when the profile changes, right?02:27
DocScrutinizer51Venemo: that's for sure the last possible path I'd like to follow02:28
lcukno Venemo he wants it to be handled from what I gather02:28
Venemolcuk, DocScrutinizer51: ah, okay.02:29
lcukDocScrutinizer51, has some runes in there02:29
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DocScrutinizer51an audio app should just announce type of audio, by using right audiodev or whatever, and not care about which profile is active and what's the vol settingS for that profile02:31
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pupnik_what's the best taste you remember discovering as a kid?02:48
GAN900Orange creamsicle02:49
lcukmost memorable pupnik_ was some kind of kebab I had in greece with some sort of mayo on it02:50
lcukalways stuck out because we were walking through a market02:50
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pupnik_GAN900: is that a kind of candy?02:50
pupnik_or frozen dessert02:51
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lcukGAN900, how old were you03:00
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luke-jre-yes: the only public list it was CC'd to was linux-omap.03:04
* luke-jr ponders if Linux can use NOR flash to store read-only pages and XIP, and if doing so would improve device costs03:05
SpeedEvilluke-jr: no03:07
SpeedEvilluke-jr: Well - yes03:08
SpeedEvilluke-jr: But NOR flash is enormously more expensive and slower typically than RAM03:08
luke-jrso yes and no :P03:08
SpeedEvilXIP is useful in principle in the very, very lowest end devices03:09
luke-jryeah, I was thinking instead of swap03:09
SpeedEvilSay 2M ROM, 8M RAM03:09
luke-jrjust execute direct from the device03:09
SpeedEvilXIP will be increasingly useful in the next couple of years.03:11
SpeedEvilmaybe 503:11
SpeedEvilWhen it becomes inexpensive enough to integrate ROM+RAM+CPU on one due.03:11
SpeedEvilFor the lowest-end parts.03:11
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SpeedEvil - for example - but with 8M RAM03:16
e-yesluke-jr, looks more correct than matan's version03:16
luke-jre-yes: matan's version?03:17
e-yeshow without patch there's no sysfs entries, right?03:17
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crashanddiedamn, americans are idiots03:19
crashanddieanyway, off to bed, 'later all03:19
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e-yesluke-jr, or even bq27 refuses to register ( dont remember details). bq27_matan - afair (name for patch). look into kernel-power sources (which actually is patches for quilt)03:22
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SpeedEvil - I would imagine similarly stupid comments on thatr03:23
luke-jre-yes: shrug, my change works for Fremantle kernel at least03:23
DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: what's XIP?03:27
e-yesluke-jr, i will try it with nitdroid-kernel when i switch back to battery/charging/consumption problems from ril/cmt tasks03:27
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SpeedEvilXexute In Place03:28
DocScrutinizere-yes: what's the bq27k rant about?03:29
SpeedEvilBasically using NOR flash instead of RAM to execute pages from03:29
SpeedEvilthe bq27x00_battery driver is a bit broken.03:29
SpeedEvilIt needs at least platform based adaption to set rs03:29
DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: sure, as it isn't copying Openmoko driver :-P03:29
DocScrutinizermodprobe bq27k RS=2203:30
DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: (XIP) like on palm pilot?03:31
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SpeedEvilDocScrutinizer: I think so03:32
DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: (XIP) or just a kernel patch to have a RAM image in storage, rather than a ELF?03:32
e-yesDocScrutinizer, what it mean - RS param?03:34
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* DocScrutinizer wonders how long it takes Nokia to ship a devel dev to OM kernel maintainer who also fixed/augmented bq27000 and complemetary dumb GTA01-battery kernel module03:34
DocScrutinizere-yes: RS == resistor series03:35
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DocScrutinizerthe shunt bq27200 uses to probe the actual current in/out of cell03:35
DocScrutinizere-yes: alas this is about the only resistor in 'leaked' N900 schematica that has no specific Ohms value printed to it03:36
DocScrutinizerit's R1129/30 and R1140 iirc03:37
DocScrutinizere-yes: basically every value you can read from bq27200 battery gauge needs to be transformed to a decent meaning by multiplicating it with a factor based on RS03:39
DocScrutinizer...except those where the register value represents valueA/valueB and both have that factor - e.g TTE (time to empty)03:40
DocScrutinizerwhich represents capacity / actual-current, and both have the RS factor (not rhesus factor :-P)03:41
e-yesDocScrutinizer, what RS is assumed in mainline kernel? (i'm not seeing RS param in. where i can found it?)03:42
DocScrutinizerin mainline kernel there's nothing dealing at all with this03:42
DocScrutinizeryou have no bq27k kernel module in maemo mainline03:44
DocScrutinizerone of the issues courtesy borked BME03:44
DocScrutinizer-> we don't have sysnodes for it as well03:45
DocScrutinizersame for bq24150 :-(03:45
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DocScrutinizerfrom I learn we may expect those for harmattan - excuse my scepticism about they are doing it right03:46
povbotBug 9314: relicense N8x0 BME03:46
e-yesbq27 can be loaded after BME is started. and BME is still working after that03:46
DocScrutinizere-yes: that's amazing, as aiui loading the kernel module for bq27k will block direct I2C access03:47
DocScrutinizer~lart bme03:48
* infobot strangles bme with a 9-pole serial cable03:48
DocScrutinizerhmm, appropriate03:48
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e-yesyeah, that's why matan's patch was created in way it created:)03:49
smharwhat other mobiles phones that support Qt?03:50
e-yesMotorola Z6:)03:50
e-yeshas very old qtopia -> supports Qt03:51
oneil213how do i install rightly the kmplayer for my n900 without having package problem especially the xsltproc package.this the problem i am facing right now....help03:52
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DocScrutinizere-yes: matan's patches are considered a poor implementation for a decent interface to bq27k03:53
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smhare-yes, I meant something that I can use programs developed for maemo in it.03:53
oneil213how do i install rightly the kmplayer for my n900 without having package problem especially the xsltproc package.this the problem i am facing right now....help03:54
e-yeswithout recompilation and repackaging?03:54
DocScrutinizere-yes: refer to and even that one is missing a few bits03:54
smharno, with it03:54
oneil213how do i install rightly the kmplayer for my n900 without having package problem especially the xsltproc package.this the problem i am facing right now....help03:55
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oneil213how do i install rightly the kmplayer for my n900 without having package problem especially the xsltproc package.this the problem i am facing right now....help03:55
DocScrutinizeroneil213: please don't spam03:56
oneil213i need help03:56
DocScrutinizeroneil213: we *all* have read and noticed that, FOUR times now - in last 30s03:56
oneil213sorry about my impatience03:57
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oneil213just having problem installing the application03:58
e-yesDocScrutinizer, all what is missed in patch 'stolen' from mainline already03:58
oneil213i do not understand please03:59
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DocScrutinizere-yes: sorry, you lost me on that one04:03
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oneil213Docscrutinizer, can you help04:04
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DocScrutinizeroneil213: please consider to read this:04:05
infobothmm... question is If you have a question and want people to give useful answers, make sure you have read this first:
DocScrutinizerthen come back here, and have another try04:05
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infobotit has been said that maemo is
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SkyscraperN900hey Mohammadag51 ! No new ubuntu upload today, too?04:09
xnt14SkyscraperN900: its 4:13 AM in jordan, he's probably sleeping04:14
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SkyscraperN900xnt14 he wanted to upload last night... but theres nothing. this night, too?04:20
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oneil213I recently downloaded the kmplayer, but i could not run it on my n900. the application manager prompts that I should install a missing package called xsltproc, I tired this but it was not compactible with my phone.anyone with a pointer on what i should do next.thanks04:22
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SkyscraperN900anyone knows the specification of the n900 fm rx? what rx freqs are possible?04:23
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SkyscraperN900i've read it seems to be Broadcam BCM2048? technial data sheet says it can recv fm radio from 76 to 108MHz?04:25
SpeedEvilSkyscraperN900: IIRC 76-10804:26
SkyscraperN900why the radio app is restricted to some other value?04:27
SpeedEvilLocalisation settings04:29
SkyscraperN900is it possible to modify?04:29
oneil213i also tried to install a dependent package * librsvg2-2, but still not compatible as well04:30
oneil213any pointer?04:30
SpeedEvilSkyscraperN900: I haven't gone into the details of the API04:31
SpeedEvilSkyscraperN900: I suspect so04:31
SpeedEvilBut I'm not sure how easy it is04:31
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oneil213which is the right xsltproc package for kmplayer on n900?04:36
SkyscraperN900/usr/bin $ sudo ./fmradio-tool 76000 speaker04:36
oneil213and librsvg2-2?04:37
SkyscraperN900dont think it is working. wonder if theres a radio on 76mhz xd04:37
GAN900pupnik_, ice cream.04:37
GAN900lcuk, 6 or 7.04:38
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SpeedEvilecho 3 > /sys/bus/i2c/drivers/bcm2048/3-0022/region04:39
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SpeedEvilYou probably need to do both04:40
SpeedEvilstart radio04:42
SpeedEvilabove echo04:42
SpeedEvilecho 78000 >fm_frequency04:42
SpeedEvilNokia-N900-02-8:/sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-3/3-0022# cat fm_frequency04:42
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SpeedEvilOh - I have v4l-ctl04:43
SkyscraperN900ah ok04:43
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SkyscraperN900i cant echo 3 into region04:45
SpeedEvilFM radio also has to be on04:45
SkyscraperN900-sh: cannot create /sys/bus/i2c/drivers/bcm2048/3-0022/region: Permission denied04:46
SpeedEvilas root04:47
SpeedEvilyou have to start fmradio first04:47
SpeedEvilabove is result of ./v4l2-ctl --all -d /dev/radio104:48
SpeedEvilafter the echo04:48
SkyscraperN900where to get that v412-ctl app?04:49
SpeedEvilcompile it04:49
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SkyscraperN900from where? xd04:50
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SpeedEvilalso - a binary04:51
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SkyscraperN900wont download04:57
luke-jre-yes: FWIW, I agree with the reply-comment that the #ifdef should be dropped04:57
luke-jre-yes: that way it will use like 17 bytes more memory, but work if someone builds bq27x00 module externally :P04:58
SpeedEvilSkyscraperN900: Odd - seems to download here fine04:58
SkyscraperN900wget rocks xd04:59
SpeedEvilSkyscraperN900: maybe it hadn't uploaded04:59
SkyscraperN900with wget works04:59
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SkyscraperN900Frequency range      : 76.0 MHz - 108.0 MHz05:04
SkyscraperN900with echo 4 > region05:04
SkyscraperN900hm but it tunes only 8750005:06
SkyscraperN900not 7600005:06
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SpeedEvilFMradio probaly doesn't know about region05:08
SpeedEvilecho n >fm_frequency05:08
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SkyscraperN900hm i'm trying it with fmradio-tool from  usr/bin - maybe thats the prob?05:09
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SpeedEvilno idea05:13
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_0x47anyone still here with super 1337 packaging power?05:22
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_0x47!tell _0x47 you're so cool!05:23
_0x47tell _0x47 you're even cooler!05:24
_0x47nm then05:24
Skyscraper09speedevil ~ $ sudo v4l2-ctl -d /dev/radio1 -f 108.0 works while on fmradio app05:25
Skyscraper09or any other freq between 87.5 and 108.005:25
Skyscraper09but not lower05:25
Skyscraper09getting VIDIOC_S_FREQUENCY: failed: Input/output error05:25
Skyscraper09when trying to set 76.005:26
SpeedEvilafter it says 76000 when you cat min_region_frequency or whatever?05:26
Skyscraper09cat region_bottom_frequency05:27
Skyscraper09throws 7600005:27
Skyscraper09v4l2-ctl -d /dev/radio1 --all05:28
SpeedEvilcat fm_frequency was showing 76000 fro me - I diddn't have a transmitter rigged up though05:28
Skyscraper09Frequency range      : 76.0 MHz - 108.0 MHz05:28
Skyscraper09but cant tune in?05:28
SpeedEvilWith what05:29
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Skyscraper0976.0 wont work05:29
SpeedEvilI'll try more tomorrow maybe05:29
Skyscraper09me 2. going to bed05:33
Skyscraper09good night an thankyou05:33
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Skyscraper09speedevil maybe a modified would help?05:42
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SpeedEvilor analyse that05:46
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luke-jrmy N900 is being retarded05:55
luke-jrsays there's an update for fMMS, but errors updating it05:55
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luke-jr thoughts?06:42
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toresbehas anyone gotten imhere to actually work?06:46
toresbeIt'd be really nice to have. But so far all I've gotten it to do is segfault.06:47
toresbesome source code would be best of all!06:47
luke-jrwhat is it?06:48
toresbecellphone tracking system06:48
toresbeyou send your cellphone an SMS and it replies with GPS coords06:48
luke-jrI'd rather just have it constantly updating my server <.<06:49
toresbeyeah, that's what I'm looking at right now06:50
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toresbehacking together some kind of python script that updates my server06:50
luke-jron the other hand, GPS eats battery06:50
toresbeyeah, I was thinking have a flag on my server which my N900 polls.06:51
luke-jrpolling probably would use more power <.<06:51
toresbeYeah, but I charge it every night anyway06:52
luke-jras if it can go a full day w/o charging06:52
toresbemine certainly can06:52
luke-jrnot if you do GPS or polling constantly for sure06:53
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toresbeoh, no. Not GPS. But server polling, perhaps.06:53
toresbeOr maybe SMS-triggered.06:53
toresbeIs it possible to intercept SMSes without the UI noticing them?06:54
toresbeSo that, if it matches a string, it won't be passed on to the UI?06:54
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toresbesegfault. Again.06:55
toresbeArgh. Why didn't you publish the source before disappearing!06:55
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toresbebtw, does anyone know of a way to "fake" SMSes so that I can debug without breaking the bank? :)06:57
toresbeah, here's something06:57
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toresbehm, no07:07
toresbemight be fun to do it as a telepathy script07:12
luke-jrwould have to be a telepathy script I think07:12
luke-jrwhy not just setup a private XMPP account for it?07:12
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toresbeit's 6:15 - AM.07:15
toresbeI really made this work day longer than normal, huh.07:15
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DocScrutinizertoresbe: the joy of closed source apps and API designs tailored to fit those closed source apps' usecases in a maximum restrictive way :-/08:23
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pigeonhmm, on the n900 is there a way to be root before installing the gainroot package?08:43
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psycho_oreosyou can enable r&d mode08:48
psycho_oreosor install openssh server package08:48
pigeonthanks, guess i'll try the r&d mode then.08:49
psycho_oreoswhat do you intend to do anyway?08:51
pigeontrying to fix my uncle's n900, seems he's getting this problem:
pigeonn900-locales-ppchinese has a typo in package control file08:53
pigeonso not able to install anything.08:53
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pigeonpost number #9 on that page in face.08:54
psycho_oreosso whats wrong with gainroot package? heh08:58
pigeonit's gone into the "can't install anything" state...08:59
psycho_oreosyeah its an issue with the dpkg, the fix below that post #9 might help09:00
ColdFyreis there a way to see the current status of the n900 battery while it's charging?09:00
pigeonpsycho_oreos: but sudo is asking me for password09:01
psycho_oreosmaybe with modprobing of the bq thingy09:01
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prontothis is neat, skype is now crashing my phone :|09:02
psycho_oreospigeon, yes because you're not normally allowed to gain root.. if you installed gainroot package and then do sudo gainroot it should work09:02
ColdFyreha, how does skype crash?09:02
pigeonhence post #11 and post #12 in fact.09:02
prontoit crashed so hard, the phone went off09:02
prontoit didnt do this last night :|09:02
pigeonwell, r&d mode for now that is...09:03
ColdFyredid it crash or did the battery die ;)09:03
prontoconsiding the phone is plugged in09:04
prontoi'd say it crashed09:04
prontoO.o when i try to open the conversations app, that crashes09:04
KhertanHi !<<< need your votes09:05
Khertanpigeon, ssh ?09:06
pigeonhaven't got that installed yet either.09:06
prontowoah this is weird, i can't open the Converstions app09:06
Khertanpigeon what s the application manager logs said ?09:06
pigeonKhertan: the same error with n900-locales-ppchinese as in:
pigeoncan't install or uninstall anything basically.09:08
Khertanyep ... :)09:09
pigeoni just switched to r&d mode now, should be able to fix it.09:09
Khertanyou can fix it easily by apt-get purge09:09
Khertanyou can fix it easily by apt-get update09:09
Khertanand remove the broken package09:09
Khertanbut ... yep ... without root ...09:09
KhertanApplication Manager didn't provide the necessary tool to fix problem if one problem happen09:10
keriohehe, this was unexpected...09:11
keriosuspended to ram last night09:11
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keriothis morning, 23.41pm09:11
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prontowhen i try to open up the Converstaions app, it just crashes 'Internal error applicatoin 'Converations' closed'09:12
pigeoni'll blame whoever made the mistake in n900-locales-ppchinese ;)09:12
keriois it because my internal battery is crap?09:12
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pigeondamn chinese people... ;)09:12
pigeon(i am chinese :)09:12
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kerioi'd just move to england/the us and claim to be english09:13
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pigeontechnically i'm australian anyway...09:15
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keriosuspend to ram = bad09:16
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kerioi bet *that* is why nokia doesn't use it09:16
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pigeondone and done... fixed...09:22
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kerioDocScrutinizer: does nokia know of the crappy internal batteries?09:22
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DocScrutinizerkerio: I don't know if they know09:24
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DocScrutinizerpigeon: nihao09:27
pigeonDocScrutinizer: g'day ;)09:27
prontois there a way to delete text messages via command line?09:28
prontobecause the conversation app keeps crashing09:30
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pigeonpronto: messages/im logs are stored in a database in .rtcom-eventlogger/, you can delete things using sqlite309:37
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prontooh yay i fixed the crashing of conversatoins09:48
FavoriteSquirrelim not even using software09:48
prontoyet skype still crashes :/09:49
FavoriteSquirreltry to evade the chaos?09:54
prontowas that directed at me?09:55
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iliusi can't find any usage help for savedepz09:56
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FavoriteSquirrelsorry lol09:58
iliushmmm, another usefull tool
FavoriteSquirreli feel terrible but im just easily distracted09:59
FavoriteSquirrelwas -just- there man09:59
FavoriteSquirrelhow lol09:59
FavoriteSquirrelright now im running a umpc as well09:59
* kirma observes how the quality tmo commentators are capable of spinning N9 leak follow-ups way beyond the quality of engadget discussion (and not in a positive sense)10:05
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FavoriteSquirrelyou people10:17
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kerioDocScrutinizer: suspending to ram with *these* batteries is impossible10:22
kerioi woke up this morning and it was 23pm10:23
keriothe internal ones10:23
DocScrutinizer51umm, and how's that related to backup battery?10:23
keriothe rtc?10:24
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keriooffline mode, suspended to ram, internal clock stopped ticking10:24
DocScrutinizer51the RTC runs off main battery as long as there's any with more than 2V10:24
keriooh, then... wtf?10:24
kerio`date` reported 23pm10:25
DocScrutinizer51kerio: suspend to ram obviously stops system clock, a 'hwclock' will show you the RTC is still correct10:26
keriooh, i see10:26
* kerio is a noob10:26
keriowe need a script for the suspend that also syncs back the time10:26
DocScrutinizer51exactly, if you want to put susp2ram to purpose, you need to cope with such things10:27
keriowe'd first need a way to tell the phone not to bug the system with waking-up signals on signal change10:28
keriois there a way?10:29
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keriojacekowski: is there a way? you're the rapuyama h4xx0r10:32
keriotimeless: sometimes some buttons in the microb toolbar are missing... wtf?10:34
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JaffaMorning, all10:37
Stskeepsmorn jaffa10:40
timelesskerio: some of them or the entire toolbar?10:40
timelesswe know there's a way to end up w/o a toolbar10:40
timelessbut i haven't seen a bug for missing buttons10:40
timeless(please file w/ picture, preferably w/ steps)10:40
ColdFyreis there a way to see the current status of the n900 battery while it's charging?10:42
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timelessooh, goody, my account will expire just as i start my vacation10:44
iliushow to install dpkg-dev on n900?10:46
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iliusi dont know how to add this repository
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Khertannext step will be retweet, search storage, and optimization10:51
Khertanoups wrong window10:51
Khertanilius, dpkg-dev10:53
Khertanouch ... it ll require that you replace the busybox tar too10:53
Khertanas it didn't understand some options use by dpkg10:54
iliusKhertan: ?10:54
iliusanyone know how to use savedepz?10:55
Khertanah sorry ... i think you are trying to package apps on device :)10:56
iliusi want to make packages from installed apps10:56
Khertannope sorry never use it10:56
Khertanilius, what a strange idea10:56
Khertanwhy not download them from repository ?10:57
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jacekowskiway of doing what?10:57
iliuslike dpkg-repack in desktop10:57
iliusKhertan: yes, after flashing10:57
jacekowskiDocScrutinizer51: isn't it that rtc runs of small backup battery as long as it's working?10:57
iliusKhertan: to save time10:57
Khertanit s seems you are losing more trying to use savedepz :)10:58
ilius"savedepz --help" gives nothing10:58
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iliusand there is no "man" command10:58
iliusand google gives no result10:58
Jaffa~seen dneary11:01
infobotdneary <~dneary@Maemo/community/docmaster/dneary> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 32d 21h 20m ago, saying: 'esac'.11:01
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JaffaAh, "last week in August"11:03
luke-jrthat's the first week in Vyctorious!11:03
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th3hateis it possible to dpkg -i more than 1 package at once, like "dpkg -i /home/user/MyDocs/1.deb 2.deb 3.deb11:18
brolin_empeyMy N900 fell from my desk to the carpeted floor while a USB cable was connected to the N900.  I think my N900 landed on the micro USB plug because now the micro USB socket is bent/crooked and the USB connection for charging (I use Wireless LAN to access my N900 via ssh.) is intermittent. :(11:18
Stskeepsget it to repairs..11:19
brolin_empeyth3hate: With bash, you could run "for pkg in pkg1.deb pkg2.deb pkg3.deb; do dpkg -i ${pkg}; done".11:20
th3hatebrolin_empey, i have 12 package named from 1-12, can you tell me the command?11:22
fralsdpkg -i *11:23
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th3hatefor pkg in 1.deb 2.deb 3.deb 4.deb 5.deb 6.deb 7.deb 8.deb 9.deb 10.deb 11.deb 12.deb; do dpkg -i ${pkg}; done11:25
th3hatebut what abou the path ? /home/user/MyDocs11:26
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DocScrutinizerjacekowski: would that be reasonable?11:28
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MohammadAG51new pulseaudio package seems to have fixed stuttering for most users :)11:28
MohammadAG51or at least reduced it11:28
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brolin_empeyth3hate: I think you can simply put all the .deb files in a directory containing no other files and run "dpkg -i /path/to/dir/*.deb", as frals suggested.11:28
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th3hatebrolin_empey, thanks11:30
pupnik_what MohammadAG51 ?  how about cpu use?11:30
budfivedpkg -i [1-9].deb 1[012].deb11:30
budfiveor you can use a bash for loop: for((i=1;i<=12;i++)); do dpkg -i $i.deb; done11:32
MohammadAG51pupnik_, :)11:32
th3hatebudfive, so i write this in command line: "for((i=1;i<=12;i++)); do dpkg -i $i.deb" ?11:32
th3hatefirst cd to dir ?11:33
JaffaMohammadAG51: In a way which makes audio work now? :-)11:33
budfiveth3hate: yah11:33
budfiveth3hate: that assumes you're using full bash. busybox shell likely doesn't support that fanciness11:33
MohammadAG51Jaffa, it seems the patch needs the newer unreleased kernel, or some patch which is in kernel-power :)11:34
MohammadAG51Jaffa, in short, won't work on current stock11:34
th3hatebudfive, how to use full bash?11:34
JaffaMohammadAG51: Ah, right.11:34
pupnik_MohammadAG51: afaik the resampling is about as fast as it gets, but i was wondering if resampling can get bypassed completely with a 48khz source11:35
pupnik_also how about a limiter-controlled xprot speaker protection - only kicks in if total volume > 75% or 50% or smth11:36
DocScrutinizer51isn't for (( a bashism?11:36
budfiveDocScrutinizer51: yep11:36
brolin_empeyth3hate: Why not use my simple solution so you do not even need to install bash?11:36
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MohammadAG51what module provides /sys/devices/platform/omap-mcbsp.3/st_enable11:36
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budfivethe regexp version 'dpkg -i [1-9].deb 1[012].deb' likely will work even in busybox11:37
th3hatebrolin_empey, this "dpkg -i /path/to/dir/*.deb" ?11:37
MohammadAG51 dpkg -i [1-9].deb 1[012].deb11:37
DocScrutinizer51budfive: should, by definition11:37
budfiveDocScrutinizer51: Even in busybox? I never bothered to figure out exactly which features the busybox shell was missing11:38
th3hateMohammadAG51, packages are named 10 11 12 not 011.. etc11:38
DocScrutinizer51simple shel regex for sure is messybox even11:38
brolin_empeyDocScrutinizer51: Don't you mean lamebox? ;)11:40
DocScrutinizer51but is it really so complicated? a /bla/*.deb usually does11:40
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brolin_empeyth3hate: Yes.  Make a new, temporary dir, put all the .deb files in it, then run "dpkg -i /path/to/dir/*.deb".  That should work in even the simplest shell, even if regexes are not supported.11:43
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th3hatebrolin_empey, i could do "dpkg -i *" = everything in the dir11:44
DocScrutinizer51* is a simple shell regex11:44
th3hatedir only contains debs11:44
budfiveth3hate: dpkg -i *11:44
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th3hatebudfive, is there a way to force install them without asking y/n11:45
brolin_empeyDocScrutinizer51: No, '*' is a shell globbing pattern.11:45
budfivedo dpkg -i --force-help11:46
JaffaIf there are no objections, I'll announce it on the Council blog11:46
JaffaIgnore that11:46
* Jaffa was trying to mention globbing vs. regex11:46
Stskeepsno objections to?11:46
brolin_empeyJaffa: The conversation in this channel moves too fast. :/11:47
th3hatebudfive, dpkg -i --force-all * ?11:47
budfiveth3hate: you tell me. I don't know what you want to force :)11:48
MohammadAG51dpkg shouldn't ask y/n o_O11:48
JaffaStskeeps: Election dates11:48
th3hatebudfive, all packages in the dir11:48
JaffaStskeeps: It's been six months already11:48
Stskeepsearly elections? :P11:48
MohammadAG51why force?11:48
th3hateMohammadAG51, i don't want it to ask y/n when installing11:48
JaffaStskeeps: Last were in March11:48
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MohammadAG51th3hate, dpkg doesn't ask y/n11:48
TermanaN900Speaking of elections, we just had a federal election :P11:48
StskeepsJaffa: ah11:48
MohammadAG51apt-get does11:48
MohammadAG51in which case you can use apt-get -y install11:49
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brolin_empeyStskeeps: You mean Nokia's repair service?11:49
* Jaffa pokes GeneralAntilles and GAN900 as the only other council member here. And meta-pokes Texrat, achipa and javispedro11:50
Stskeepsbrolin_empey: right11:50
brolin_empeyStskeeps: Sorry for the delay;  I got sidetracked by helping th3hate. :)11:51
th3hatebrolin_empey, thanks for help :)11:51
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brolin_empeyth3hate: You are welcome, but you would probably benefit from studying at least the basics of Bourne shell usage. :)11:54
th3hatebrolin_empey, only if you give me some newbies guide :P11:54
MohammadAG51X-Fade, we need a Maemo/community/troll/* cloak11:54
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brolin_empeyStskeeps: I do not think Nokia's repair service is available to me because I live in Canada and bought my N900 from, but the N900 has still not even been released in Canada. :(11:57
Stskeepsbrolin_empey: check consumer laws..11:57
DocScrutinizerbrolin_empey: Jaffa: yep, I mixed BRE and globbing11:58
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DocScrutinizeranyway [abc] and * are of same class in a shell11:59
Venemogood morning guys12:00
brolin_empeyStskeeps: I failed so badly because I picked up my N900 right after I got out of bed on Saturday morning/afternoon because I saw I had a new message, but I was still sleepy and dropped my beloved N900 for the first time. :(12:00
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DocScrutinizersee man bash /pathname expansion ->*      Matches any string...  [...]  Matches  any  one  of  the enclosed characters.12:01
__awhat the f.. my widgets are disappearing off the homescreen every other day12:01
Venemobrolin_empey: I dropped mine several times (accidentally), but it doesn't have a problem12:02
Venemo__a: this may happen if hildon-home crashes12:02
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Venemo__a: when this happens, it gets rid of some 3rd party widgets that it thinks caused the problem12:03
brolin_empeyVenemo: Did you drop it while it had a USB cable connected?12:04
__aVenemo:  soo I have to remove them all and bring back one by one?12:04
Venemobrolin_empey: no.12:05
Venemo__a: well, try to deduce which of them causes the problem12:05
MohammadAG51i dropped mine with the charger connected12:05
__ai got facebook, GPE calendar and shutter...12:06
Venemo__a: eg. Sticky Notes doesn't run in hildon-home, so it always stays there even during a crash12:06
__aapart from the built in ones12:06
Venemo__a: the other thing, Python widgets usually cause crashes for some people12:06
brolin_empeyVenemo: I (accidentally, of course!) dropped mine while the USB cable was connected;  I think it landed on the micro USB plug, which bent/pushed the micro USB socket so the USB connection is now intermittent, at least for charging. :(12:06
__aVenemo:  thanks man! im starting to think its the gpe cal. widget.. gpe seems buggy all over12:09
Venemobrolin_empey: oooh... that sounds bad12:10
Venemobrolin_empey: well, since the MicroUSB connectors of the N900 are generally bad, you could just return it to warranty repair12:11
Venemobrolin_empey: noone's gonna ask if you dropped it or whatever12:12
jacekowskibrolin_empey: i have same problem12:12
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jacekowskii mean the intermittent charging12:12
brolin_empeyStskeeps: My understanding of the paper warranty documents included with my N900 was that I do not have warranty coverage because I did not buy my N900 in USA and/or because I do not live in USA, but I received my N900 in late June, so I could have forgotten by now.12:13
Stskeepsbrolin_empey: sucks then12:13
jacekowskibrolin_empey: where have you bought your n90012:14
jacekowskibrolin_empey: and where do you live?12:14
brolin_empeyjacekowski: Has your N900 been dropped too?12:15
jacekowskibut i'm not sure12:15
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jacekowskiwell, it was dropped multiple times12:15
jacekowskibut i don't think it was dropped with usb cable connected12:15
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iliuscamera gives error "Memory not accessible", but i checked folder ~/MyDocs/DCIM and has write permissions12:16
MohammadAG51check which memory it's saving to12:17
brolin_empeyjacekowski: I bought my N900 from and I live in Delta, British Columbia, Canada.12:17
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[DarkGUNMAN]MohammadAG51 - out of curiosity, what do the patches in /public/maemo/debfiles on your website do? my device is due a reflash and i'm trying stuff out before it gets wiped again.12:19
MohammadAG51which ones?12:19
BluesLeeMohammadAG51: by the way, did you add the mp launch option to phone control?12:20
pupnik_thinkpad baking in the sun - cpu 54c12:20
MohammadAG51afaik yes12:20
MohammadAG51[DarkGUNMAN], the kinetic one has all new patches + a kinetic scrolling "fix"12:20
MohammadAG51it's stable, you can install it after the reflash12:20
MohammadAG51restart the desktop if you want to see the scrolling changes12:21
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[DarkGUNMAN]nice :)12:21
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BluesLeeMohammadAG51: hmm, i dont see it and i have the latest version installed 0.2.312:22
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MohammadAG51sec, lemme check that12:23
iliusMohammadAG51: its not on memory card12:24
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iliusMohammadAG51: i dont want to mount memory card into MyDocs12:24
brolin_empeyCan I repair the micro USB socket on my own?  Can the N900 be easily disassembled and reassembled without risk of damage?12:25
DocScrutinizerBluesLee: o/12:25
DocScrutinizerbrolin_empey: unplugging the flat plastic cable connecting the upper half is rather prone to damage the plug/cable12:26
BluesLeeDocScrutinizer: hi12:27
DocScrutinizerbrolin_empey: but seems usually people manage to disassemble without breaking it12:27
DocScrutinizerbrolin_empey: and yes, resoldering the USB receptacle isn't particularly difficult as long as it's not completely off and possibly damaged PCB traces12:28
* brolin_empey already had to disassemble his FreeRunner and have our electronics technician at work replace the mini USB socket because the D- pin got bent, so he could still charge via USB but had no USB data.12:29
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brolin_empeyDocScrutinizer:  Flat plastic cable?  Do you mean inside the N900's case?12:33
* brolin_empey has not even tried to disassemble his N900.12:33
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DocScrutinizerbrolin_empey: the brown thing in center12:34
crashanddieSlashdot has one article about the N900 doing something, and all the fucking fanbois are out12:35
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DocScrutinizerbrolin_empey: for other views12:35
keriotimeless_mbp: just some buttons12:36
crashanddieThe few guys who are trying to tell the truth have been modded to oblivion, either "troll" or "flamebait", and all the "I luvz my little n900, it has xterm" are marked as +5 insightful12:36
keriohad it happen twice, once it was the refresh button missing, the other one was just address bar+refresh12:36
kerionothing else12:36
keriowill take a screen next time it happens12:36
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timeless_mbpkerio:  ctrl-shift-p12:39
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SkyscraperN900hello again12:40
SkyscraperN900mohammadag51 are you there?12:40
Jaffacrashanddie: But it does have teh xt3rm.12:40
SkyscraperN900speedevil found out: # get frequency range; currently only the US/Europe frequency band is supported by the driver12:41
SkyscraperN900so i need modified driver for the fmrx?12:41
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crashanddieJaffa: yup, but I'm pretty damn sure the iPhone does as well ;)12:42
MohammadAG51SkyscraperN900, yes, haven't up'd the image yet12:43
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SkyscraperN900mohammadag51 ah okay. why? and when you'll up it? i cant wait ;)12:44
crashanddieJaffa: btw, this is superb:
mavhccrashanddie: what's "the truth"?12:44
crashanddiemavhc: that maemo 5 and the n900 was a great idea, very poorly executed?12:45
pupnik_too vague12:45
Jaffacrashanddie: Mmm, secure :-)12:45
crashanddieJaffa: just give bogus information and connect12:46
Jaffacrashanddie: Ah :-)12:46
SkyscraperN900anyone know how to switch fmrx of n900 to japan fm band?12:46
pupnik_N900 Jeopardy!  Answer = "LA LA LA LA LA! Not a problem!  Don't want to hear about it!"12:46
pupnik_Question = "How did nokia deal with pulseaudio taking 12-20% cpu?"12:47
pupnik_that would be a specific criticism, crashanddie12:47
fluxI wonder that too12:47
johnxSkyscraperN900, what's the range of the Japanese FM band?12:47
Jaffapupnik_: Or "how did Nokia deal with hildon-desktop regression causing 10-15% CPU?"12:48
Jaffapupnik_: Or "how have Nokia helped developers migrate from Maemo to MeeGo with 'legacy' applications?"12:48
SkyscraperN900johnx 76.0 up to 108.0 MHz12:48
pupnik_they need to fund a 'this needs to get fixed' contract-based system imo12:49
crashanddiepupnik_: Or how Ari Jaaski was talking about "how nokia was skeptical about Open Source, but Maemo and the community convinced them?"12:49
Venemocrashanddie: actually, it was an experiment, and it was successful12:49
Jaffapupnik_: Or "how did Nokia make such a fast CPU have a laggy and unresponsive UI; which gets worse with updates?"12:49
pupnik_if someone out there has the knowledge and motivation to fix something (up to spec and code review) they should get a bounty12:49
Venemocrashanddie: and after the experiment, noone cares about the subjects any more :P12:49
SkyscraperN900johnx i'm talking about fmRX not fmTX ;)12:49
johnxah. that would make more sense :)12:50
pupnik_I bet a lot of WONTFIX  are really "would be nice to have, but no time" issues12:50
johnxI was wondering why you couldn't find a free station to transmit on :P12:50
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crashanddieOr how Nokia is so free to share their code that everyone can contribute to the code and make the device better?12:50
crashanddiebecause, you know, throwing code out on gitorious and saying "This is dead fish now, we don't care about it anymore" is really "the spirit of open source"12:51
crashanddie(actually, that's not so far from the truth)12:51
Venemocrashanddie: fortunately, this situation is improved with MeeGo12:51
pupnik_MohammadAG51: is your pulseaudio from generic upstream or nokia?12:51
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crashanddieVenemo: HAH, AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA12:51
Venemocrashanddie: btw, the sources were on gitorious for a long time... not just the last commit12:51
MohammadAG51pupnik_, same one you have installed + one patch from nokia12:52
crashanddieVenemo: thanks, tmmd12:52
pupnik_MohammadAG51: so all the maemo-specific stuff is in the scripts for PA?12:52
Venemocrashanddie: 'tmmd'=? (sorry, non-native English speaker here)12:52
MohammadAG51yes, it's from the repos12:52
crashanddieVenemo: "that made my day"12:52
pupnik_i'm curious about doing that limiter code to bypass EQ and resampling12:52
pupnik_it would be a hack, but what the heck12:53
pupnik_i can manage an if-then block :P12:53
Venemocrashanddie: ah. thank you :)12:54
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johnxSkyscraperN900, sooo, feel like doing some kernel hacking?12:57
johnxThe N800 was in the same situation, but someone apparently created a patch for the kernel to allow selecting from the Japanese band:
povbotBug 2249: FM Radio frequency not set for use in Japan12:58
SkyscraperN900johnx i cant to that12:58
johnxVery positive attitude :P You're probably out of luck then12:59
timeless_mbpSkyscraperN900: s/to/do/ ??13:00
SkyscraperN900johnx does this help?
johnxwell huh13:02
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johnxthat's interesting :)13:02
* timeless_mbp is glad to see people using mxr :)13:03
jacekowskiSkyscraperN900: it's easy to change region13:03
SkyscraperN900jacekowski how?13:03
jacekowskiSkyscraperN900: just echo 4 > /sys/somewhere/region13:03
jacekowskiafter module is loaded13:04
SkyscraperN900jacekowski yes done it already13:04
johnxfind /sys -name region13:04
jacekowskiAFTER module is loaded13:04
SkyscraperN900done /sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-3/3-0022 # echo 4 > region13:04
johnxwould the radio app itself have a fixed range, possibly?13:04
jacekowskiSkyscraperN900: that's fmtx13:05
SkyscraperN900jacekowski then v4l2-ctl -d /dev/radio1 --all13:05
SkyscraperN900shows Frequency range      : 76.0 MHz - 108.0 MHz13:05
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jacekowskiand now it's done13:06
SkyscraperN900but when i set v4l2-ctl -d /dev/radio1 -f 76.013:06
SkyscraperN900i get VIDIOC_S_FREQUENCY: failed: Input/output error13:06
jacekowskitry 7713:06
johnxTry 76.1?13:06
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SkyscraperN900same error13:07
jacekowskitry 10013:07
SkyscraperN900allows only 87.5 to 108.013:07
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jacekowskiyou have to recompile13:07
jacekowskiit looks like on the fly frequency change is unsupported13:07
SkyscraperN900for example: Frequency set to 1668800 (104.300000 MHz)13:07
jacekowskitry japanese firmware13:08
jacekowskiwell, japanese kernel13:08
jacekowskithere isn't a japanese firmware, isn't it?13:08
SkyscraperN900cant i just modify the kernel driver for radio to 76-108 mhz for all regions?13:09
nid0-testing can have two versions of the same package if one of them has been unlocked but not actually promoted?13:09
jacekowskiSkyscraperN900: you can13:09
BCMMi can't remember - does the n900 ship with vi, or did i have to install that?13:09
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nid0BCMM it needs installing, it's in extras13:09
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johnxBCMM, it ships with a quite stripped down version that's part of busybox. Certainly doesn't have vim by default though13:10
SkyscraperN900how to modify those driver, jacekowski ?13:10
BCMMah, bb has a vi implementation; that explains it13:10
jacekowskiwell, open a text editor13:10
jacekowskimodify it13:10
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jacekowskior you can go hardcore13:10
jacekowskimodify binary driver13:10
DocScrutinizer51hexedit :-P13:11
jacekowskiso you don't have to flash13:11
SkyscraperN900how to compile? cant i just replace only the binary?13:11
SkyscraperN900without flashing13:11
jacekowskiyou have to flash whole kernel13:11
jacekowskinot full fiasco image13:11
jacekowskijust kernel13:11
jacekowski+ modules13:11
DocScrutinizer51duh, why?13:12
SkyscraperN900i think thats to hardcore for me ;(13:12
jacekowskidifferent toolchain13:12
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johnxisn't the radio driver a module though?13:12
jacekowskiit will taint the kernel13:12
jacekowskiwell, if you can live with tainted kernel you can only replace module13:12
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SkyscraperN900hoped its easy to use those freqs. but it seems not. i'm not good enough to modify kernel -.-13:13
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jacekowskithat's simple mod13:13
jacekowskiif you can use google13:14
johnxjacekowski, so you're positive it needs to be set at compile time?13:14
jacekowskidefault region13:14
johnxand what's the name of the module? *not seeing any bcmXXX here ...*13:14
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SkyscraperN900why change region? when i just modify the driver? to say region 2 has band 76-108, too?13:15
jacekowskiwell, both changes are simple13:15
johnxwell, if you could figure out how to change it to region 4, you'd have 76.0 to 108.013:15
SkyscraperN900can you do that?!13:15
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jacekowskiin ~5 minutes13:16
jacekowskimaybe less13:16
SkyscraperN900can you do it for me? xD13:16
jacekowski+ time required to find my phone13:16
jacekowskiand i probably left it in my car13:16
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jacekowskiunless you can send me a copy of that driver13:16
SkyscraperN900i need hours or days for that i think13:16
SkyscraperN900copy from where?13:17
DocScrutinizer51me wonders if we could go for 50..18013:17
jacekowskiDocScrutinizer51: not according to datasheet13:17
DocScrutinizer51which datasheet???13:17
SkyscraperN900bcm2048 can go 76-10813:17
jacekowskithe one on interwebs13:17
jacekowskiwell, "datasheet"13:18
SkyscraperN900jacekowski having 2 folders in /lib/modules13:18
jacekowskiwhat are the names13:18
MohammadAGjacekowski, if there are 2, one is current, one is -omap1, both are the same13:19
jacekowskijust type find | grep 204813:19
jacekowskiand send that to jacekowski@jacekowski.org13:19
DocScrutinizer51err wut?13:19
SkyscraperN900have found it13:19
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jacekowskiDocScrutinizer51: i don't have my phone with me13:20
DocScrutinizer51find . -name '.*2048.*'13:20
jacekowskithat would work as well13:20
jacekowskibut grep is shorter13:20
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jacekowskihmm, somebody keeps sending me e-mail with subject13:21
skyscraperso, now on pc, too - easier13:21
jacekowski"Your wife photos attached"13:21
skyscrapercan you repost mail-adress?13:21
MohammadAGyou... never mentioned you had a wife... so I'm assuming you don't?13:21
jacekowskiand i don't remember that i was so drunk to marry somebody13:21
jacekowskiand well, it's not getting caught on spam filters13:22
jacekowskiwhich worries me even more13:22
tobis87jacekowski: Morning, did you had a look at the aes module?13:22
DocScrutinizer51so look into that mail, dude! or you'll never  know whom you married13:22
jacekowskitobis87: nope13:23
brolin_empeyjacekowski:  Would my record be selected if I was female?  I am 80 kg, 191 cm, 23 years young, but the Y chromosome was not my choice. :)13:23
MohammadAGtime to test debootstrapping lucid xD13:24
jacekowskibrolin_empey: you would need tits13:25
MohammadAGdd makes an exact copy of a partition right?13:25
jacekowskiMohammadAG: yes13:25
MohammadAGso I needn't worry about permissions and crap13:25
DocScrutinizer51vme humms 'tainted kernel' by 'micro soft cell'13:26
brolin_empeyAnd apparently my prime year of birth is the same as tobis87? :)13:26
pupnik_   Mr Bungle - Stubb (A Dub) [ode to one of the band members' dogs]13:26
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jacekowskii'm going to eat something13:26
jacekowskitobis87: that module is only part of solution13:27
tobis87jacekowski: Well, I think it's the only driver which is missing on the n90013:27
jacekowskitobis87: i would like to store key in some secure are as well13:27
DocScrutinizer51MohammadAG: dd does a block copy if you copy a block device13:27
jacekowskitobis87: so it would behave like a non encrypted phone13:27
tobis87jacekowski: something like a tpm chip?13:27
jacekowskisort of13:27
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer51, which means I can restore partition tables right?13:28
jacekowskitpm does more stuff as well13:28
jacekowskim-shield would do the job13:28
DocScrutinizer51WAAAAAAH TPM D-:13:28
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jacekowskiwell, encrypted partition13:29
tobis87jacekowski: yes, but it is can be broken, the best area for a key to store is your brain, or steghide it inside some picture.13:29
skyscraper_internet explorer crashed xD13:29
skyscraper_jacekowski: i mailed it to you ;)13:29
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jacekowski+ remote wipe13:29
jacekowskibut instead of wiping partition13:29
jaska< DocScrutinizer51> vme humms 'tainted kernel' by 'micro soft cell' <- haha13:29
tobis87jacekowski: how do you want to wipe a flash based drive?13:30
jacekowskii don't13:30
jacekowskii just want to wipe a key13:30
skyscraper_jacekowski: did you get mail?13:30
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jacekowskiso if phone was wiped because you weren't sure where it is13:30
jacekowskiyou can get data back13:30
jacekowskiby typing that key from keyboard13:30
jacekowskibut if anything happens key is wiped automaticaly + remote wipe support as well13:31
jacekowskiskyscraper_: yep13:31
brolin_empeyjacekowski: My breasts are already the same size as a girl's, but they would probably be larger if I was a woman. ;)13:31
jacekowskii'm not sure if we are talking about same kind of girls13:31
DocScrutinizer51TPM is BS! mega BS13:31
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brolin_empeyjacekowski: I mean a literal girl as in a female human child, not a colloquialism for a young woman.13:32
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tobis87jacekowski: I don't know how you can do it on the n900, but I onced had the idea to store a key inside the EBR, since only not all of the 64bytes are used for the extended partition record. if you have more than one logical volume you could split the key between the ebr's.13:33
jacekowskiaccording to limited information i found13:33
jacekowskim-shield provides secure storage as well13:34
DocScrutinizer51tobis87: and what's the use of such kinky thing?13:34
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jacekowskihmm, strange word to use there13:35
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tobis87DocScrutinizer51: I think nobody would expect you, to do such a kinky thing, also if you dd the partiton, you could not find the key and it really looks like random data if it is stored in the ebr.13:36
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DocScrutinizer51I could think of a dozen better ways to 'hide' some data13:37
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johnxFirst way: Memorize it13:38
tobis87DocScrutinizer51: Maybe they do know now :-D , I mean they already take dsl router with them if they search your home nowadays. At least that is what I have heard.13:38
jacekowskithat driver doesn't match the source13:40
tobis87jacekowski: which driver?13:40
DocScrutinizerseems nothing in maemo really does13:41
yannuxI'm trying to overclock my N900, but now after rebooting, always go to Nokia screen, and shutdown, and go again to Nokia screen...shutdown...Etc... :s13:41
DocScrutinizer~tell yannux about omap-oc13:41
yannuxsomeone know how can I do to make it better?13:41
DocScrutinizerflash stock kernel13:41
yannuxDocScrutinizer:  what ?13:41
TermanaN900build a time machine and not overclock in the first place?13:42
yannuxbut battery is not full charged :s13:42
DocScrutinizerand modules :-P13:42
DocScrutinizeryannux: too bad. You've been warned13:43
yannuxyes .... i know....13:43
yannuxwhat a shit day >.>13:43
tobis87jacekowski: the aes module needs some kernel part as well, I merged the kernel part into it. i double checked that the aes2_ick instruction is availible in the n900 kernel tree.13:43
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yannuxduring the flashing with usb cable , is it charging ?13:44
tobis87jacekowski: , the diff
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tobis87jacekowski: the original
DocScrutinizeryannux: nope13:46
yannuxbad day13:47
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DocScrutinizeryannux: you reached deadlock state. Only way out: get external charger or other means to have a fully charged battery, without using the N90013:47
yannuxok thanks DocScrutinizer13:48
crashanddieDocScrutinizer: looks like we were right in the end, OC will kill your device, and ruin your sunday13:48
yannuxcompletly !13:48
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yannuxfirst and last13:48
skyscraper_jacekowski: have you done it?^^13:49
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yannuxDocScrutinizer:  when I press    u   during the nokia screen, it doesn't shutdown,  static screen with usb logo on top right corner13:51
DocScrutinizergreat, so try to flash COMBINED stock fiasco img13:52
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yannuxso if there is usb logo  seems that is charging ?13:53
yannuxoh ? :s13:54
DocScrutinizerit means it's in flash mode, and it doesn't charge in flash mode13:54
yannuxok :s13:54
yannuxand if it stop during flash, what's the risk ?13:55
skyscraper_jacekowski: i'm short away to shower ...13:55
brolin_empeyjacekowski: See first comment on <>. ;)13:56
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jacekowskiskyscraper_: are you there?13:57
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jacekowskiskyscraper_: option one - offset 0x2774 - change 0x02 to 0x0413:58
jacekowskiskyscraper_: that will change default region13:58
jacekowskioption two13:59
jacekowski0x459c - here are the region_info structures13:59
DocScrutinizer51yannux: for your case? None14:00
jacekowskifile offsets14:00
jacekowskinot memory offsets14:00
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yannuxDocScrutinizer: ok so if it's stop, just need to retry with full battery ?14:01
jacekowskiwell, there is no way to damage phone using software14:01
jacekowskiyou would have to unlock otp areas14:01
jacekowskiand then wipe config14:02
jacekowskithat's only case when it wouldn't boot14:02
DocScrutinizer51jacekowski: bet?14:02
yannuxDocScrutinizer:  ok thanks14:02
jacekowskiok, what do you propose?14:02
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DocScrutinizer51yannux: np14:02
jacekowskidd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/mtd can be recovered with coldflash14:03
yannuxI must flash only PR  or emmc vanilla too ?14:03
MohammadAGjacekowski, I can confirm14:03
DocScrutinizer51jacekowski: 100bucks, on my sw damaging your N90014:03
MohammadAGa cold flash requires a bootloader image14:03
MohammadAG2nd image14:03
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jacekowskiDocScrutinizer51: OC doesn't count14:03
jacekowskiand overvoltage as well14:03
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brolin_empeyDocScrutinizer51: If I remove the 6 Philips screws from the back of my N900 (where the battery is), can I easily access the PCB with the micro USB socket?14:04
skyscraper_jacekowski: im back14:04
jacekowskiskyscraper_: read what i said earlier14:05
MohammadAGbrolin_empey, they're not 6 screws14:05
DocScrutinizer51brolin_empey: 2 are T5 and yes, in theory you can14:05
MohammadAGthey're 4 PH0s and 2 are T614:05
skyscraper_jacekowski: offset 0x2774 - change 0x02 to 0x04 would help?14:05
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer51, T614:05
jacekowskiunless something else is blocking it14:05
MohammadAGI'm sure of it14:05
MohammadAGsince I couldn't find less than 6 xD14:06
yannuxDocScrutinizer:  I must flash only PR or emmc vanilla too ?14:06
jacekowskiyannux: it's the best to flash both14:06
DocScrutinizer51vanilla is not needed14:06
yannuxsudo ./flasher-3.5 -F <firmware-image> --flash-only=kernel -f -R           is this command enough ?14:06
yannuxso : sudo flasher-3.5 -F <firmware-image> -f -R  ?14:08
DocScrutinizer51you need to flash the full image, so no -flash-only14:08
yannuxso let's go14:09
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skyscraper_jacekowski: now when i start the fmradio i have region set to 4 automatically.. and v412-ctl -d /dev/radio1 --all say freqency range is 76.0 to 108.0 MHz.... - but again: when i try to set v4l2-ctl14:09
jacekowskishow me your dmesg14:10
skyscraper_to -f 76.0 i get error14:10
jacekowskiafter you try that14:10
brolin_empeyMohammadAG: Yes, you are correct:  the 2 bottom screws are Torx, not Philips.  I should have looked closer. :)14:10
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yannuxDocScrutinizer: flash in progress.'s seems fast14:11
MohammadAGskyscraper_, dmesg in terminal14:12
yannuxSteep programming cmt14:12
MohammadAGLongest two steps in flashing, erasing and programming the cmt14:12
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yannuxyes :D thanks a lot DocScrutinizer for your advise !14:12
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jacekowskiskyscraper_: it might be fmrx itself blocking lower frequencies14:13
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skyscraper_jacekowski: theres nothing in dmesg..14:13
skyscraper_jacekowski: but why? the chip itself allows 76-108?14:13
jacekowskibut it may be preprogrammed by nokia14:13
skyscraper_on the chip?14:13
jacekowskito be blocked in eu version14:13
jacekowskiwithout full datasheet it's hard to tell14:14
jacekowskitry unloading module and using i2c to talk to it14:14
jacekowskiyou can't strace modules14:14
jacekowskithat's useless14:15
jacekowskifull datasheet would be ncie14:15
DocScrutinizer51nope, but you can strace the app v2ctl14:15
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skyscraper_i dont understand why  v4l2-ctl -d /dev/radio1 -f 76.0 fails.... - when i echo region 2 and say that ill get an error VIDIOC_S_FREQUENCY: failed: Numerical argument out of domain - but when i have region 4 i get VIDIOC_S_FREQUENCY: failed: Input/output error14:19
DocScrutinizer51btw I suggest to recompile that app14:19
yannuxDocScrutinizer:  seems that doing reboot with xterm cause my N900 fails14:19
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DocScrutinizer51yannux: sorry?14:20
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yannuxafter installing needed package for overclock, I ve reboot    by sudo gainroot, reboot14:21
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yannuxsomeone who do like me was crashing too14:21
marmouteyannux: omg, you told DocScrutinizer51 about Overclocking, run for your live !14:21
yannuxyes marmoute :) but I saved me !14:22
yannuxbut my N900 is often slowly :s14:23
yannuxmp3 + web + sms    make it alway slow :(14:23
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yannuxhere just after flashing,   display sms  make all interface slow :(14:24
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yannuxclose the sms window  ~3seconds14:24
yannuxno application running, and switching between 4 desktop makte it slow :s little freeze :s14:25
lcukyannux, after reflashing did you restore from your backup and put all the apps back on14:25
DocScrutinizer51hmm, I changed my mind. Probably you *should* flash vanilla as well14:25
yannuxlcuk: no14:25
yannuxDocScrutinizer:  oh ok :) I think I'll do it14:26
lcukcan you make a short video showing your specific delays14:26
lcukahh ok nm14:26
DocScrutinizer51notice you always need to flash rootfs same step when flashing eMMC/vanilla14:26
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skyscraper_hm... i must go ;( - jacekowski if you find a way, write me mail xD14:26
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yannuxwaiting more charging and go14:26
yannuxyes, first kernel without -R  and after the emmc14:27
MohammadAGyou can't flash the eMMC without flashing the fiasco14:28
DocScrutinizer51~wake MohammadAG14:28
* infobot throws a barrel-full of ice water on MohammadAG and shouts "GOOD MORNING!!!!"14:28
skyscraper_good bye all14:29
MohammadAGillegal instruction = problem related to the CPU right?14:29
yannuxlcuk: i'll do vanilla flash too, and see if it's better14:29
MohammadAGwhat the...14:29
MohammadAGvanilla = eMMC14:29
DocScrutinizer51MohammadAG: did this chane recently? :-P14:30
DocScrutinizer51yannux: nm14:31
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DocScrutinizer51yannux: MohammadAG forgot his glasses14:31
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MohammadAGDocScrutinizer51, no, he mentioned he's reflashing the kernel, then the eMMC, then the vanilla14:31
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DocScrutinizer51nope he didn't14:31
yannuxemmc isn't same as vanilla?14:32
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MohammadAG<yannux> yes, first kernel without -R  and after the emmc <yannux> lcuk: i'll do vanilla flash too, and see if it's better14:32
DocScrutinizer51yes it is14:32
MohammadAGeMMC = vanilla14:32
yannuxok yes :)14:32
DocScrutinizer51so what?14:32
yannuxmy bad english perhaps we didn't understand14:32
DocScrutinizer51~wake MohammadAG again14:33
* infobot throws a barrel-full of ice water on MohammadAG again and shouts "GOOD MORNING!!!!"14:33
MohammadAGdo that once more and you'll have a nuke vising germany :P14:33
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DocScrutinizer51read your backscroll, will improve your trolling performance :-D14:34
DocScrutinizer51MohammadAG: yannux used vanilla and eMMC as synonyms14:35
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MohammadAGthey are synonyms lol14:35
technomikehey guys14:35
MohammadAGwow, laptop stutters more than the N900 now14:36
DocScrutinizer51yes and everybody is aware of that14:36
MohammadAGhey technomike14:36
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lcuki found out about some really cool thermoplastic stuff last night14:42
lcukfor making prototype mouldings of stuff14:42
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: hihi laptop - uninstall PA shit and smile14:42
* lcuk has ordered some and will try making a portrait stand for n90014:42
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, and what's an alternative to that?14:43
DocScrutinizerlearn to love stuttering audio? :-P14:43
MohammadAGthat = pulseaudio lol14:43
DocScrutinizerALSA of course14:43
technomikehad an accident with my n900 and now the right speaker isn't working. do i take it to a mobile repair shop?14:44
DocScrutinizerlike it's been since ~10y until some gross guru decided to shove PA down everybodies throat14:44
jacekowskitechnomike: not any shop14:45
jacekowskitechnomike: nokia approved14:45
technomikeso nokia service point14:45
jacekowskitechnomike: otherwise they may just fuck it up14:45
MohammadAGcheck your power button when they send it back :P14:45
technomikecheck power button? wtf lol14:46
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DocScrutinizerand also take a picture of screen from side, so when they make ditches to it you can complain14:46
MohammadAGthey scratched yours?14:47
DocScrutinizerIt has a slight "hill"14:47
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DocScrutinizerthey obviously somewhat forced the new LCD main PCB into the upper half14:48
jacekowskiwell, i would just go to them with paper that i gave them a phone with no scratches on screen14:48
jacekowskior scratches here and there14:48
jacekowskisignature and data14:48
jacekowskiif they scratched it more then it's their problem14:49
DocScrutinizerbetter do a video of the dude in shop inspecting the device :-)14:49
tobis87MohammadAG: For your new pulseaudio package, which module needs to be modified in order to use it with the stock kernel?14:49
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technomikenew pulseaudio eh?14:50
technomikedoes that fix the glitching audio when multitasking14:50
kerionew pulseaudio!14:50
tobis87 technomike:
keriodoes it not run now?14:51
keriothat's the only improvement i can think of14:51
tobis87kerio: yes but only with the power kernel14:51
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DocScrutinizer>>Hello! I have figured out that you have an available job. I am quiet intrested in it. So I send you my resume, Looking forward to your reply. Thank you.<< attachment: My_Resume_ID478.zip14:52
technomikefinally then!!!! no more stuttering!!14:52
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technomikethanks mohammadAG14:53
MohammadAGyou're welcome :)14:53
pigeonDocScrutinizer: P.S. the password for the zip file is "viruscheckpassed"14:53
MohammadAGbtw, what I gathered is that the newest package doesn't stutter at all14:53
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technomikeand thanks tobis87 for link14:53
MohammadAGthe one I hosted is not the newest one14:54
MohammadAGthat one is locked down in the depths of maemo.org14:54
pigeoni'm still curious about this photo: what app and setup is that?14:55
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lcukKegetys, perhaps you would be best to answer that for pigeon14:56
DocScrutinizerspecial LOL for >>I am quiet intrested<<14:56
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pigeonDocScrutinizer: it must be a real person then, with typos :)14:57
pigeonah..., i should have known...14:58
kerioi want a pr1.3 with bugfixes :(14:58
psycho_oreoslol will that ever come out?14:58
DocScrutinizerpsycho_oreos: tomorrow14:59
psycho_oreosDocScrutinizer, pr1.3? world release?!?!14:59
psycho_oreosholy cow I am so far behind the times heh15:00
DocScrutinizersure, called harmattan MH15:00
tobis87MohammadAG: So the locked down package, is it a official package and will it be availible in pr1.3?15:01
infobotpr1.3 is probably a ban'able subject now.....15:01
MohammadAGyes, if that's available15:01
MohammadAG<DocScrutinizer> no15:01
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technomikeoh no... :( its another one of those times where I feel like such a noob. But its a learning step so yeah... just installed kernel-power and typed wget then the address of all.tar.gz15:03
technomikenow! to install that15:04
technomikewhat do i do? apt-get install ?15:04
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tobis87technomike: You have not just installed the power kernel, only because of the pulseaudio fix? The power kernel causes much more trouble, than having the sound shuttering.15:05
technomikeoh no!!! I did not realise.15:07
tobis87technomike:  apt-get install gtar; gtar xfz all.tar.gz; dpkg -i *.deb15:07
technomikeSo you don't reccommend the power kernel?15:07
MohammadAGtobis87, like what?15:07
MohammadAGif you don't OC, it shouldn't cause problems15:07
tobis87technomike: I think the power kernel is bloated. For troubles e.g. the fcam-driver or the modules in extra-devel.15:09
tobis87MohammadAG: It also removes the 125mhz step.15:10
MohammadAGby default?15:10
MohammadAGfcam-drivers was sorted by the fcam team15:10
MohammadAGI think it works on all kernels atm15:10
tobis87MohammadAG: Yes,
MohammadAGso it doesn't run at 125?15:13
MohammadAGhe removed 125MHz15:13
MohammadAGthat's unstable15:13
MohammadAGand not in the stock kernel15:13
psycho_oreosI can't see how removing 125MHz issue would be really problematic, I am using power kernel now and talking through VoIP with bluetooth headset and I can see via conky that the CPU is using 500MHz15:14
psycho_oreossure maybe power usage would be pretty piss poor considering the ARM is working its ass off but I'm sure it wouldn't be all that bad15:15
yannuxlcuk: flash done, but sms display seems always slow :s but there is only one contact to display :s15:16
lcukmake a video?15:16
lcuksee if others agree15:16
yannuxusing load applet video function is good ?15:17
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tobis87psycho_oreos: Maybe, but if something is not working, it would be hard to pinpoint if it was caused by the kernel or by the application.15:17
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psycho_oreostobis87, partially true15:19
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tobis87psycho_oreos: He modified all sort of things in the power kernel. The diff between the stock and the power has a size of 4MB.15:20
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psycho_oreostobis87, you mean between the normal titan's power kernel and tobis's power kernel ontop of titan's?15:22
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tobis87psycho_oreos: No, between the nokia's stock kernel and the titan's power kernel. I only modify kernel modules for myself, the only stuff I have taken from the titan kernel was the wifi monitor patch.15:25
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psycho_oreostobis87, ahh ok fair enough15:26
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lcukawesome, ninja bread men
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DocScrutinizeryannux: never worked for me15:32
yannuxah ? it's running here15:32
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yannuxwhen i go to Downlod in application manager , it's very slow too before displaying application categories15:35
DocScrutinizeryannux: amazing. I always got black screen video15:36
DocScrutinizermaybe should give it another try15:36
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yannuxDocScrutinizer:  hum not goo to do vidéo with it, it's running faster than real15:39
yannuxlcuk: I'l try to do a video soon, video from N900 playing too fast,15:40
DocScrutinizer51at least it actually does something now for me :-)15:40
lcukthen use a normal camera15:40
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yannuxseems that load applet do many screenshot15:41
yannuxdon't have one15:41
lcukor is the problme not as big as you think15:41
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yannuxperhaps is not big, but is very disapointing me15:41
yannuxonce I've another camera I'll do it15:42
DocScrutinizer51lcuk: do wideo with frontcam + mirror? :-D15:42
yannuxthis is when I have one contact sms   or  3,  4 more..15:43
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lcukyannux, this is why i am interested in seeing it15:44
lcuki want to know which expectation is broken15:44
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yannuxseems that it's slow to load old message thats are displayed before15:44
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yannuxI'll try to do it soon15:44
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DocScrutinizer51what exactly are you doing? contact sms?15:45
yannuxsms with  3 or more contact15:46
yannuxbut with 1 contact, sometimes it's slow too for displaying the windows15:46
DocScrutinizer51I don't get what's a sms with a contact15:47
yannuxsending sms15:47
DocScrutinizer51I know sms and I know contacts15:47
yannuxtchating by sms with many contact or one15:48
yannuxcontact= people for me :)15:48
DocScrutinizer51sms are subsumed in conversations15:48
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yannuxsending to one or more people15:48
yannuxsms are often slow to display15:48
DocScrutinizer51eeew multi-addressee sms15:49
DocScrutinizer51never tested that15:49
yannuxno, one by one15:49
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DocScrutinizer51well, normal conversations works rather snappy here15:50
yannuxoh :s perhaps it's me but sometime it runs quickly, sometimes slowly. :s15:52
DocScrutinizer51might be related to most of the threads in conversations are not addressed to addrbook contacts, with avatar and all that15:52
DocScrutinizer51also to me it seems your device is running into massive swapping15:53
tobis87New 8-Bit Video:
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yannuxyes I was thinking that there is many thread, but here after the flashing, only threads with one people, arround 10 sms, sometimes slow to display15:54
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lcukKhertan, so your packager can now give out debs or rpms?15:57
lcukin a "semi standard" working manner?15:57
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MohammadAG51what's worse than a kill -9?15:58
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lcukkill -chainsaw15:59
Khertan lcuk rpm isn't working well yet :)15:59
lcukKhertan, good to know you are looking anyway :)15:59
ieatlintjust type "kill -9 1" :P15:59
ShadowJKMohammadAG51, as root on a server, kill random people's processes with -1116:00
Khertansudo kill -9 -116:00
ieatlintthat's mean16:00
Khertanlcuk, and i'm specially looking how to generate package for OBS ...16:01
jacekowskiShadowJK: that's nasty16:01
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MohammadAG51<ieatlint> just type "kill -9 1" :P16:02
ShadowJKjacekowski, it's true BOFH16:02
MohammadAG51i wouldn't fall for that xD16:02
yannuxDocScrutinizer: yes oftent big swapping16:02
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MohammadAG51root@mohammad-laptop:~# kill -11 97516:03
MohammadAG51root@mohammad-laptop:~# kill -11 97516:03
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MohammadAG51ShadowJK, nope, it's not dying16:04
ieatlintMohammadAG51: i'm no longer cruel enough to suggest it if i thought you would :P16:04
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ieatlinti might suggest you join channel #2,000 still though16:04
MohammadAG51it would just kill the laptop till i reboot :P16:04
MohammadAG51#2,0 works :P16:04
ieatlintanything ,0 does16:05
MohammadAG51i know xD16:05
MohammadAG51btw, i think it doesn't do anything on irssi16:05
ieatlintit's not client, it's server16:05
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ieatlintjoining channel 0 is part of the irc rfc16:05
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MohammadAG51anything better than kill -11?16:07
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MohammadAG51before i kill 116:07
ieatlint-9 should always work, if it doesn't, that's it... must be hung on an io call that you just need to wait out (or reboot)16:07
ieatlintin times where sigint doesn't work, sigquit can16:08
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MohammadAG51lol init isn't dying16:08
DocScrutinizer51you're going to kill init?? o.O16:09
Khertan[#0] Welcome to #0 - the channel that shouldn't exist...16:09
MohammadAG51Khertan, join 0, not #0 :P16:10
ieatlintnot "#0", just "0"16:10
lcukit does exist though :P16:10
MohammadAG51<DocScrutinizer51> you're going to kill init?? o.O16:10
MohammadAG51why not16:10
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ieatlintjoining "#2,0" works because the rfc says you can join multiple channels in one statement, comma separated16:11
ieatlintso "join #2,0" says to join #2 and 016:11
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ieatlint0 is close all channels16:11
Khertanyep i see :)16:11
MohammadAG51#o,0 is a bit subtle16:11
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MohammadAG51kill -11 1 worked16:13
psycho_oreoswhere is the file that stores the PATH variable? I remember it was in /etc somewhere but the name of the file escapes me16:13
psycho_oreosieatlint, thanks!16:13
ieatlintalthough you may have a file in your homedir that also modifies it16:13
ieatlint(eg, for bash, ~/.bash_profile which is run after /etc/profile )16:13
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DocScrutinizersigsegv init16:21
* DocScrutinizer shakes head16:21
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DocScrutinizerMohammadAG51: why don't you use telinit?16:22
ieatlintif you want to see something funny, loadοraclе16:23
jacekowskiunicode o and e16:24
jaskanot a real o16:24
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DocScrutinizer8 vs 1.470.000.00016:32
DocScrutinizerTermana: so what exactly was it you planned to tell me?16:36
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TermanaLOL - I can't believe Google/lmgtfy is so bad that some searches for google don't even show google16:37
TermanaDocScrutinizer, this one then - :P16:37
DocScrutinizerTermana: http://gοοglе.com16:38
MohammadAGI can't believe how much of a noob Termana is xD16:38
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TermanaI didn't realise how much MohammadAG wanted to be knocked over the head with a tin can on a string16:39
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DocScrutinizermight consider to create a new user account on tmo :-P16:40
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TermanaDocScrutinizer, a roll account?16:41
MohammadAGread only16:41
TermanaMohammadAG, :P16:41
MohammadAGwhat, he's rw now :p16:41
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DocScrutinizerthought more about jοеrg16:41
MohammadAGjoerg_rw's k, why create a new account16:41
ieatlintif you want to see a real glitch with google, load https://google.com16:41
TermanaDocScrutinizer, maybe you could use "DocScrutinizer"16:42
ieatlintthen tell me if you're on ssl or not16:42
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MohammadAGugh, enough with google, go play pacman or something
MohammadAGTermana, he can PM a supermod/admin and have the name changed16:42
Termanaieatlint, you're not... did you check the address bar when you visited16:43
MohammadAGieatlint, not ssl16:43
ieatlintyeah, that's my point16:43
ieatlint will work16:43
TermanaI mean, did you really expect Google to just decide "hey, lets give people an invalid url page when they they try this"16:43
ieatlintbut their redirect from will always strip ssl16:43
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Termanaieatlint, would it make you feel better if they pretended search was with ssl when you went to https?16:44
DocScrutinizerieatlint: prolly intentional16:44
ieatlintTermana: search is with ssl if you go to
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Termanaieatlint, not for me16:45
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DocScrutinizereven one of my mail providers does that sorta shit for each and every link on their webmailer site16:46
ieatlintTermana: then something is wrong, it should load an ssl page with a google doodle that says "ssl" and "beta"16:46
Termanaieatlint, must be a US only thing16:46
ieatlintDocScrutinizer: it was added after a lot of pleas by the eff and other organisations, and in contact with them16:46
TermanaThe Australia site doesn't do it16:46
DocScrutinizerTermana: WFM16:47
ieatlintit's supposed to be more for non-US peoples16:47
TermanaIf I force it to go to the US site, it works for me.16:47
TermanaBut Australia has obviously not been included16:47
ieatlintthe idea was people in restrictive places, where they could hide their search queries from anyone potentially watching16:47
TermanaWhat does that tell you about the US?16:48
Termanacompared to Australia16:48
ieatlintthat australia hates porn, especially women with small breasts16:48
DocScrutinizerperfectly sane rationale for things like
Termanaieatlint, I was actually waiting for someone to say something about any potential australian internet filter16:49
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jacekowskiwell, you can get idea about search queries based on referes send to sites that you open16:53
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ieatlinttrue, and also based on what you actually load16:53
ieatlintlike after google16:53
ieatlintstill, a step in the right direction :P16:53
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MohammadAGLOL @ hildon-desktop's code16:56
MohammadAGI love the devs' song choice16:57
MohammadAG            /* Fade to black ((c) Metallica) */16:57
wazdhello all16:57
Stskeepslo wazd16:57
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wazdStskeeps: so many designers are already doing talks :)16:58
Stskeepswazd: really?16:58
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* slonopotamus gets flooded by comments on bug 931417:00
povbotBug relicense N8x0 BME17:00
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Stskeepsi'm pondering to remove myself from CC as n8x0 is no way in hell it's getting opened17:01
Stskeepsand any progress on it was ruined by luke-jr's sudden change to n90017:01
Stskeepser, n8x017:01
luke-jrin that case it really IS Nokia's fault :P17:01
Stskeepsoriginal name was 'relicense BME'17:02
SpeedEvilYes - the original name wasn't inapproprate17:02
SpeedEviland the discussion seemed positive.17:02
SpeedEvilWell - some of it17:02
Stskeepsthings are changing a little bit, i mean, BME is going redistributable17:02
SpeedEvilchanging title diddn't IMO contribute17:02
Stskeepsfor n900, at least17:02
Stskeepswhich fwiw was what i said was best case scenario back then17:03
Stskeeps'Priority MEDIUM since it's not a blocker, but I propose placing BME under a17:03
Stskeepslicense that allows binary redistribution and having that as goal. It's up for17:03
Stskeepsdiscussion though if there's better ideas, keeping all the above in mind.17:03
luke-jrrelicensing N900 BME doesn't accomplish anything much17:03
Stskeepssure it does17:03
luke-jrNokia only seems to relicense useless code17:03
wazdStskeeps: and even
Stskeepswazd: i still think you have a niche17:03
luke-jrStskeeps: how? sounds from IRC chatter that N900 BME is pointless and easily replacable17:03
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Stskeepsluke-jr: still, no installable solution17:04
Termanawazd is just making excuses17:04
Stskeepseither way17:04
luke-jrStskeeps: yet17:04
timeless_mbpwazd:  do they get points for cutting off the Intel logo on their sign? :)17:04
kerioluke-jr: yeah but having the source or at least the specifications of the bl5j allows us to make a real, guaranteed-to-work-except-not-because-of-the-gpl replacement17:04
wazdStskeeps: I can meet all those people in the airport though :D17:04
timeless_mbpit reads 'ntel17:04
Stskeepsit's sunday, sunny, and all of you are idiots for not having a cold beer instead of ircing17:04
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kerioStskeeps: who says i don't have a cold beer here?17:05
kerioi mean, i don't, but i don't drink17:05
SpeedEvilWho says I don'e either.17:05
wazdtimeless_mbp: who exactly? :)17:05
SpeedEvilThough I don't drink also.17:05
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luke-jrStskeeps: the only reason I haven't bothered to make a workable daemon based on that script I found is because jrBME is doing a real one already17:06
Termanaluke-jr, I think making software charge the battery is crappy full stop. Shouldn't need to argue the merits of how good/bad BME is17:06
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luke-jrTermana: indeed… it has to use battery to charge battery :P17:06
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luke-jrand this differentiation nonsense and "everyone else is going to do the same thing" nonsense…17:07
luke-jrnot a SINGLE non-Nokia device to my knowledge has a closed battery charger daemon17:07
luke-jrI certainly hope they're not going to push things in that direction17:07
luke-jrthat's open->closed, not closed->open17:07
luke-jrmaking formerly open things into closed things would make Nokia a direct enemy of free software17:07
kerioso we can insult them? awesome17:08
Termanatimeless_mbp, get a bigger screen. If your talking about the one on the MeeGo site, it shows fine for me17:08
wazdtimeless_mbp: aw :) Well, I think designer was more worried about showing beer than intel logo :P17:08
Termanawazd, :P17:08
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timeless_mbpTermana:  wtf17:08
timeless_mbpmy window is >800px17:09
kerioconverting a dvd for the n900 to watch it on the tv because we have no dvd player... feels good man17:09
timeless_mbpthat's more px than my n900 has17:09
wazdTermana: in fact sponsor's logo should be visible at any circumstances17:09
Termanawazd, Nokia's logo shows fine. Thats all that matters right?17:09
TermanaKidding :P17:10
timeless_mbpin fact, i had about 1040 px wide17:10
timeless_mbpthat's >1024px17:10
timeless_mbpwhich is another *standard* screen size17:10
Termanatimeless_mbp, I'm on 1280 x 1024 and it shows fine for me17:10
Kegetyspigeon: its dosbox running stunt island17:11
pupnik_dosbox is the best (only) good reason for an x86 core to exist :P17:11
Termanadelta, how?17:12
deltatermana: how what?17:12
Termanadelta, did your n900 break17:12
deltatermana: gcc.17:12
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TermanaI have no idea why he decided he would leave here and continue his N900 broken discussion in ##linux17:15
keriotimeless_mbp: 17" macbook pro?17:15
keriomy browser window is 1330px wide as of now17:16
wazduse proper OSs for god sake :D17:16
timeless_mbp15" i think17:17
keriotimeless_mbp: heh, small17:17
timeless_mbpyou really consider a 17" model a laptop?17:18
Termana15" YOU THINK? "Yeah, I got this Macbook Pro. Screen size? Oh well, I don't know, I brought it cause of the shiny apple logo"17:18
keriowell, i bought it to replace an imac17:18
kerioit's not really a laptop17:18
keriobut it's definetely portable17:18
timeless_mbpi bought it to get rid of full disk encryption and Nokia Windows17:18
kerioand by portable i mean i can use it while laying down on my bed17:18
timeless_mbp(not to be confused w/ Microsoft Windows)17:18
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timeless_mbpyours is ~1.5lbs heavier...17:19
kerioit's portable in the sense that i can carry it with me17:19
timeless_mbpthis reporter on BBC is showing off17:19
kerioin a bag17:19
kerioand i can use it on my bed17:20
timeless_mbphe's saying the name of the volcano in iceland17:20
timeless_mbp(again, and again, and again)17:20
wazdsomething more than 13" is DTR imo :)17:21 ?17:22
wazdtimeless_mbp: meh :)17:23
wazdtimeless_mbp: desktop replacement :)17:23
Termanatimeless_mbp, does that seem to fit the sentence?17:23
timeless_mbpone of the hits was NSFW17:23
timeless_mbpTermana:  none of the hits did17:23
timeless_mbpwould you prefer the NSFW link?17:23
timeless_mbp(hint: you don't)17:23
Termanatimeless_mbp, you obviously are low on Google fu17:23
timeless_mbpnah, low on sleep17:24
wazdtimeless_mbp: Drunk Texter's Remorse fits well :)17:24
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keriodesktop replacement is what my mbp is17:25
kerioalthough it does have a comically long-lasting battery17:25
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TermanaIf it ran an OS worthy of being a desktop OS, then you could call it a desktop replacement17:25
wazdkerio: it's too heavy to be 'really' portable17:26
wazdkerio: you can take it with you in a bag of course :)17:26
keriodefine portable17:26
kerioi can carry it around17:26
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kerioi can't do that easily with a desktop17:26
Termanatimeless_mbp, kerio, please enlighten me - for what exact reason do you use OS X, over say - Linux?17:26
TermanaWe don't need to discuss the merits of using it over Windows17:27
kerioTermana: my macbook pro gives me a hardon17:27
timeless_mbpTermana: i'd use *anything* over linux17:27
wazdkerio: Thing that you can take with you without any difficulties17:27
timeless_mbpbut really, corporate policy says:17:27
timeless_mbpif you laptop isn't running mac os x, it needs full disk encryption <period>17:27
kerioTermana: not a real hardon, mind you17:27
keriotimeless_mbp: huh? what about linux?17:27
timeless_mbpthe policy for os x says "you can use filevault for your home drive"17:28
timeless_mbpkerio: why should linux be special?17:28
keriowhy should os x be special?17:28
timeless_mbpit still needs full disk encryption17:28
wazdkerio: 3 kg is kinda heavy even for a trained man :)17:28
Termanakerio, I was about to say " 'nuff said" about it giving you a hard on but ok17:28
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timeless_mbpkerio: they trust os x to stick documents into the ~/Documents folder which is encrypted?17:28
timeless_mbpi wouldn't trust linux to do that17:28
* timeless_mbp shrugs17:29
TermanaWhy would you trust OS X to do that, when you can save them anywhere?17:29
timeless_mbpasking why policy says X is stupid17:29
keriowhy wouldn't trust linux to do that?17:29
timeless_mbpTermana: you can't17:29
timeless_mbpyou can only save files in ~17:29
keriomounting /home on a truecrypt disk is not hard17:29
timeless_mbpwhich is encrypted17:29
timeless_mbpkerio: not an option per policy17:29
timeless_mbparguing w/ policy is stupid17:29
keriotimeless_mbp: what? you can save documents everywhere17:29
timeless_mbpkerio: not w/o being root17:29
timeless_mbpand you aren't root on os x17:30
timeless_mbpwell, i could save a file to /tmp17:30
timeless_mbpthat's useful..17:30
kerioi can create a file on / without the system asking for a password17:30
kerioand i'm not root17:30
SpeedEvilSwap is encrypted timeless_mbp?17:30
kerioSpeedEvil: it is17:30
kerioit's always encrypted, i thought17:30
Termanakerio, must be why its so slow17:30
keriono, maybe not17:31
kerioonly when you enable filevault17:31
Termanakerio, but you still haven't given a real reason for your usage. timeless_mbp has been excused from his sin, due to corporate policy.17:32
TermanaTell us truthfully, do you have a man-crush on Steve Jobs17:32
kerioi kinda do17:32
keriobut seriously, the mbp is a slick piece of ass^Whardware17:33
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kerioand os x is good17:33
kerioalso, team fortress 217:34
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jacekowskii was using osx for couple days17:36
jacekowskiand well, never again17:36
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jacekowskimaclaptop maybe17:36
jacekowskibut i'll probably buy sony as my next laptop17:36
keriowhy? :(17:36
SpeedEvilI want to buy lenovo.17:36
SpeedEvilAnd get them to make 4:3 laptops again.17:36
SpeedEvilCan anyone spare several hundred million?17:36
jacekowskiit's not that expensive17:37
kerioos x is kewl17:37
jacekowskikerio: why osx sucks or why sony?17:37
keriowhy os x sucks17:37
kerioand also why sony17:37
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jacekowskibecause it changes my ways of using pc17:39
jacekowskibuttons on left side17:39
keriowell, duh17:39
kerioit's another os17:39
jacekowskibar on top of the screen17:39
kerioand you don't use buttons17:39
kerioyou use keyboard shortcuts17:39
jacekowskiso if i have small window i have to click on that bar17:39
jacekowskino X17:40
jacekowskiand why sony17:40
kerioi wonder what's the last time i actually used a title bar button17:40
kerioand there's X17:40
jacekowskibecause i had different laptops so far17:40
Termanajacekowski, when was your last use of OS X? There is an X button :P17:40
TermanaAlthough it only closes the window - not the app17:40
keriooh, not x1117:40
keriowindows' X17:40
TermanaThere's X11 available for OS X17:41
jacekowskiand going back to why sony17:41
jacekowskii had sony laptops17:41
keriojacekowski: /Applications/Utilities/X11.app17:41
kerioand i think X autostarts if you ssh -X or something17:41
jacekowskiand so far sony was most reliable17:41
alteregoI think my Dell XPS M1530 is pretty awesome, even for a two year old model :)17:42
jacekowskiand it took the most abuse17:42
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alteregoOnly issue _I've_ had is having to replace the keyboard after I spilt a load of water on it about a month back17:42
jacekowskiand besides, decent mac costs about 30% more than same sony laptop17:42
sivanganybody seen achipa ?17:43
keriohow much for a sony laptop with a fullhd 17" with 8 hours of battery life?17:43
jacekowskiand that's 30% that i could spent on bitches or something17:43
alteregoOr now an N900 :)17:43
jacekowskikerio: i don't need laptop for watching movies17:43
technomikei am getting a new laptop soon17:43
Termanakerio, just wondering, how can you have a man crush on someone that doesn't change their clothes?17:44
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technomikeasus eeepc 1215n . despite being a netbook. its powerful.17:44
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alteregoAnyone compiled madde from scratch?17:46
jacekowskikerio: i7 8G of ram under 1k17:46
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keriojacekowski: battery? weight?17:47
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jacekowskion standard battery17:48
keriolol 2 hours17:48
jacekowskiover 3h17:49
kerioover 3h = 2h if you're lucky17:49
jacekowskilol, can your maclaptop do that much?17:49
kerioabout 617:49
kerio(marked as 8)17:49
jacekowski6h doing what?17:50
kerioi shit you not17:50
TermanaMind you, that 3 hours is rated with cock-mongering Windows running17:50
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keriojacekowski: meh, stuff17:51
jacekowskiwell, on my old sony i can play world of warcraft for example17:51
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kerioirc, web browsing, movies17:51
jacekowskifor about 2h30m17:51
keriogames drain the battery a bit more, but it's still more than 3h17:51
jacekowskiand it's marked as 200 minutes17:51
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jacekowskiso well, it's only 25% off from rated time17:52
jacekowskion battery that's 2 years old17:52
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corecodedoes the webdave sharing plugin work for anybody>18:38
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mathiasgI'm having an issue with package libsdl-ttf2.018:47
mathiasginstall fails18:47
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mathiasgdpkg error processing <the package>18:47
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alteregoHeh .. webdave ..18:52
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technomikeepic! my right speaker in my n900 has started working again :S19:06
keriothe only ones who care are nokia care19:08
technomikei was going to have to send it to nokia care19:08
technomikebut luckily its ok now19:08
n900-dkThe default mediaplayer on N900 can't play AAC files?19:08
kerion900-dk: it can, surely?19:09
kerioit uses the DSP too19:09
keriomaybe it's the container19:09
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mathiasgn900-dk: it uses gstreamer19:10
mathiasgwhatever gstreamer supports, it does19:10
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n900-dkweird, it goes to the app-switcher, when I press the play button19:10
n900-dkand doesn't start playing19:11
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njsfn900-dk I've had that happen due to the sound subsys being in a bad state. things to try are changing volume, restart media player, reboot. i believe however that it will not play DRM'ed AAC. that may be the issue. If so I'd file a bug,because it should emit a message it could not play due to drm/format19:15
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n900-dkokay, it is a podcast, but guess it is ok19:22
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n900-dkAre anyone able to play this in the mediaplayer:
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technomikenope doesn't work19:34
technomikejust stops straight away19:34
n900-dkok, thx for trying19:35
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LynoureI'm trying to use the Maemo emulator in Nokia SDK, but the instructions for activating it from QtCreator tell me a) it should be already configured (and it did not seem to be) or b) that I should start Mad Developer in the emulator (and I don't even know how to get to the emulator)19:57
LynoureAny ideas?19:57
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keriohmm, the movie player shows green outside of the move itself20:03
keriowell, greenish20:03
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MohammadAG51kerio, YUV or whatever it's called20:04
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keriothe color *does* look good20:05
* slonopotamus really wonders why still has no code20:06
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keriobecause DocScrutinizer sucks20:07
kerioDocScrutinizer: :D :D :D :D :D20:07
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kerioand i mean that with all the love of the world20:07
Lynourekerio: do you use Nokia SDK?20:08
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keriome? no20:08
kerioi can't code in C anyway20:08
Lynourekerio: C++, usually.20:08
LynoureGah, no emulator, and the 'simulator' shows me stuff with desktop widgets20:09
kerioi don't do compiled stuff20:09
LynoureWhat's wrong with my setup?20:09
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GeneralAntillesJaffa, pong20:16
LynoureI'd really really appreciate any help/ideas/wild guesses/works-for-me statements for anyone using the latest Nokia SDK20:17
lcukkerio, if you set the bitmap memory used for YUV to all 0's, it is that bright green color20:17
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lcukto get black, you need to set the Y channel to 0, the U and V channels to 12820:17
lcuksome graphics cards cheat and use 0,0,0 as black and others dont and its the wrong way ;)20:18
keriolcuk: that's... stupid ._.20:18
keriowill i get problems on my tv?20:18
kerioor is it another colorspace?20:19
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LynoureThis is the error I get from simulator, regardless of the project:
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JaffaGeneralAntilles: nothing specific20:26
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wazdcan I use 20 minutes for dublin talk instead of 30?)20:36
wazdI can't talk for 30 minutes :)20:36
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Jaffawazd: 10 mins for questions, talk more slowly (almost always appropriate) or finish 5 mins early :)20:37
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RST38hwazd: You can try the pantomime!20:40
wazdjaffa: sounds like a plan :) Especially slow talk :D20:40
wazdRST38h: :D20:40
wazdRST38h: I can sing something too :P20:41
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wazdsometimes I wish my second name was Castro :D20:44
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RST38hwazd: You like wearing military uniforms in hot tropical climates?20:51
RST38hOr is it the Cigar?20:51
wazdRST38h: Cigar indeed :P20:53
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RST38hWeird: there are TWO sharing-service-picasa packages in the repos20:54
RST38hOne is 1.2.4 by Tero Niemela, another is 1.4.4 by Alexander Bokovoy20:55
slonopotamusif you put python files into zip, python doesn't create .pyo/.pyc _anywhere_. isn't it wonderful? :)20:55
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timeless_mbpslonopotamus: this is bad because?20:57
timeless_mbp(no caching?)20:57
lcukRST38h, we met alex at the summit didn't we20:57
slonopotamusthis is good20:57
slonopotamustimeless_mbp: you have a single file to access instead of N*320:57
Lynourewazd: 20min + 10min Q/A21:00
Lynourewazd: or add more nice stuff to show, or something (not knowing what you will talk about)21:00
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threshhey guys.21:02
threshand girls.21:02
wazdthresh: o/21:03
threshany program to count my expenses ong asoline and showing nice graphs?21:03
Stskeepsused to be fuelpad on older tablets21:03
timeless_mbpdot? :)21:03
threshhey wazd sup?21:04
threshthanks, will check21:04
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keriolol gnuplot21:07
rm_youthinking about Dublin21:07
wazdthresh: trying to come up with something to talk about in Dublin :)21:08
rm_youanyone nearby the conference with a couch and working shower that wants like $100 for a week of couch usage? :P21:08
keriognuplot is probably a valid answer21:08
threshwazd: nice. going to meego conf?21:08
keriobut it's true for... half of the problems in the world21:08
RST38hhow are you going to use that couch?21:09
threshI wish someone paid me for flight, I'd come there too :D21:09
rm_youjust for sleeping :P21:09
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wazdthresh: well, knowing previous years, my will to go is not enough to get there :D21:10
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RST38hwazd: more importantly, have you got the passport>21:12
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wazdRST38h: yep :)21:17
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threshwell it's a simple matter of getting enough euros21:17
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RST38hwazd: wowowowow21:20
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rfffor diablo maemo, where shall i place the root certificate authority that I need to connect, securely, to a wireless network?21:28
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mathiasg_trine: what's that21:38
_trineits a very interesting lecture about hacking sms unfortunately it uses the Iphone but it wont be far away from the n90021:39
Appiah"Hacking sms"?21:40
_trinesms injecting into the phone system21:41
lcukdoes it hurt?21:42
lcukmy girlfriend doesn't like injections21:42
threshpoor you21:43
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rffthe connection manager on the n810 references the option to add a certificate but the drop down menu shows "none"; what is the location that it is looking in?21:44
threshyeah, I'm awesome.21:44
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rffbummer, I need to figure out how to convert .arm to .cer (if that is possible)21:53
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_trineWell that was a very interesting lecture is anyone else watching it?22:01
lcukwatching what?22:02
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_trinethe link I posted22:02
lcukoh, no I saw you post something22:02
lcukbut it got filtered22:03
_trinewell thats a shame now you wont see it22:04
lcuk:) and nothing of value was lost.22:04
_trinenot to you :)22:05
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ColdFyreis there a way to see the current status of the n900 battery while it's charging?22:09
LynoureCould someone tell me what Nokia SDK's default settings for connecting to the Maemo emulator are?22:09
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LynoureMine has none, and I'm wondering what I should input there.22:10
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timeless_mbpLynoure: which "emulator"?22:10
timeless_mbpand which "nokia sdk"?22:10
lcukLynoure, potentially in the documentations there will be nicescreenshots and settings list?22:12
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lcukbut otherwise, IDK22:12
* timeless_mbp sighs22:13
timeless_mbpmy 2 phones both decided having power wasn't important22:13
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timeless_mbpmy n81 8g is "special", it has micro usb, but you can't use it for power (!)22:13
lcuktimeless_mbp, I have full battery, I could sms it over to you22:13
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timeless_mbpthanks :)22:14
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Lynouretimeless_mbp: the latest Nokia SDK, from , upgraded with its build-in upgrade tool22:15
Lynouretimeless_mbp: on 32bit Linux, if it makes a difference.22:15
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timeless_mbpsorry, i haven't used that :/22:18
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Lynouretimeless_mbp: if you have used any earlier version that has Maemo emulator settings, I could try with those...22:18
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timeless_mbpi don't think i have anything close enough, i'd personally just install again as long as i had the disk space22:19
timeless_mbpi tend to use vm's for junk like this :)22:19
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Lynouretimeless_mbp: I did, twice. First again as root, then as user.22:20
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Lynoureand wiped the settings between both.22:21
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brolin_empeyDocScrutinizer: DocScrutinizer51: Around?22:42
brolin_empeySo far, my N900 is easier to disassemble than my FreeRunner. :)22:43
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SpeedEvilI will note that DocScrutinizer bricked his when dissasembling.22:44
SpeedEvilAlso - the screen screws are torqued hard enough that you should replace.22:44
SpeedEvilThey actually do fail if you try to reuse them.22:45
brolin_empeyOnly fingers + 2 screwdrivers required for N900, no guitar pick like for FreeRunner. :)22:45
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brolin_empeySpeedEvil: I have not removed the screen screws.  I only need to access the motherboard/mainboard to resolder 2 pads for the micro USB socket.22:49
SpeedEvilyou have tried nokia care first?22:49
brolin_empeySpeedEvil: I assume you mean DocScrutinizer bricked his N900, not his FreeRunner, right?22:50
brolin_empeySpeedEvil: No.  I do not think they will help me because I did not buy my N900 in USA and I do not live in USA:  I live in Canada and bought my N900 from
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brolin_empeySpeedEvil: And I have already mostly disassembled my N900 without breaking anything AFAICT. :)22:53
SpeedEvilyes, n90022:54
brolin_empeySpeedEvil: My FreeRunner still works after multiple disassemblies and reassemblies.22:54
pupnik_don't you need those small torx screwdrivers?22:54
SpeedEviltorx isn't hard to find22:54
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brolin_empeypupnik_: Yes, I already bought a miniature Torx screwdriver set in 2009 or earlier because I needed the same T6 to disassemble my Palm Z22 PDA after its touchscreen stopped working.22:57
brolin_empeySpeedEvil: Do you know how to remove the small board with the microSD card slot so I have easier access to the micro USB socket?23:00
SpeedEvilmay be of use23:01
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kerioi think nokia care will do his thing anyway23:04
keriothe n900 has less than one year of life anyway23:04
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SpeedEvilI plan on being using mine in ~3 years time, unless stuff goes wrong.23:07
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userwe aro moving to MeeGo soon huh?23:15
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brolin_empeyDoes facetiousproxy have multiple personalities?23:20
crashanddiebrolin_empey: you mean freerunner actually worked, the first time they shipped it?23:21
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BCMMkerio: looks like my internet dropped out for a bit there; why do you say the n900 has less than a year's life?23:21
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budfivecrashanddie: defined "worked"23:26
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brolin_empeyBCMM: I think kerio meant Nokia is planning to replace the N900 with its successor in <1 year.23:31
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brolin_empeycrashanddie: My FreeRunner's hardware works, but I replaced my FreeRunner with my N900 because my FreeRunner user experience was very disappointing.  QtMoko was the most usable distro I tried, but I still did not have a usable handset.23:36
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luke-jrbrolin_empey: but the Freerunner is free23:53
luke-jrBCMM: also, Nokia has a history of dropping support for devices about 6 months before the next is released23:53
Stskeeps6? bull23:54
luke-jrStskeeps: more?23:54
luke-jrN810 was dropped January 2009 (or was it 2008?) right after I got mine23:54
luke-jrN900 was released in the fall of the same year23:54
Stskeepsthen again n800 had both os2007 and 200823:55
luke-jrStskeeps: true enough23:55
luke-jrbut the difference between N800 and N810 was trivial23:55
luke-jrI suppose that applies to N900 and Harmattan-device23:55
Stskeepsn800 was jan 2007, n810 was october 200723:56
luke-jrI can't believe they're going to do another OMAP323:56
luke-jrah, that explains it23:56
Stskeepslast ssu was december 2008 i think23:57
Stskeepsso about a year's lifetime from product announcement23:57
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Jaffaluke-jr: Maybe more is different than we expect; although I wonder where it could be beyond screen. RAM is obvious.23:59

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