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| DocScrutinizer | so probably that's a clue about which users are those considering canola a defacto standard | 00:00 |
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| kerio | wtf is canola? | 00:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer | and doesn't create .mediaartlocal/ as well :-P | 00:01 |
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| lcuk | DocScrutinizer, :D do you need slippers and pipe app? | 00:02 |
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| spinningcompass | lcuk: Elementary! | 00:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer | nurse app :-D | 00:02 |
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| lcuk | o_O | 00:02 |
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| lcuk | I am sure there are some hot themes we could make - multi desktop pannables | 00:03 |
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| BCMM | when i was doing A-levels, our computing (not IT) teacher told us that it was a good idea to use nonstandard widget colours in our applications | 00:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer | if they come with hookers XP | 00:03 |
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| BCMM | that way, whichever screen the user was looking at, they'd know which application they were using... | 00:03 |
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| BCMM | (facepalm) | 00:04 |
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| BCMM | she was typically wrong on programming stuff too... | 00:04 |
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| * lcuk only ever sets base colors and captions on buttons and will let themes sort out the rest | 00:04 |
| mavhc | BCMM: I hope you gave her an F | 00:04 |
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| BCMM | not entirely sure she could program, actually | 00:05 |
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| BCMM | she tended to answer questions that weren't textbook-obvious by saying VB (which we were forced to use) "wasn't her language" | 00:05 |
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| BCMM | eventually, she said that about quite a lot of other languages too... | 00:05 |
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| mavhc | which one was? | 00:06 |
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| * DocScrutinizer starts to think the cover art maybe is included in the ID3-tags or whatever it's called, for the albums that have .mediaartlocal/ | 00:06 |
| BCMM | mavhc: we never worked that out... | 00:06 |
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| lcuk | DocScrutinizer, yes, albumart is extracted from within the mp3s if its there | 00:06 |
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| kerio | DocScrutinizer: what's .mediaartlocal? | 00:07 |
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| DocScrutinizer | so possibly it's actually tracker who creates these | 00:07 |
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| BCMM | but i wouldn't be at all surprised if it was either something domain-specific like SQL or like HTML or something | 00:07 |
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| kerio | rsync always deletes it | 00:07 |
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| DocScrutinizer | kerio: /media/mmc1/allofmp3/S/Sisters of Mercy/Floodland/.mediaartlocal | 00:09 |
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| BCMM | lcuk: quite right to let themes sort it out, and it's not just aesthetic: overriding default colour schemes is people that hate the partially-sighted... | 00:09 |
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| kerio | DocScrutinizer: i know | 00:09 |
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| BCMM | ^is for | 00:09 |
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| kerio | but rsync with --delete always deletes them and the mediaplayer still works fine | 00:09 |
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| lcuk | BCMM, :P actually colour hints are enough but I don not make things unreadable | 00:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer | kerio: so obviously tracker recreates them | 00:10 |
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| kerio | nope | 00:10 |
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| lcuk | First N900 Maemo Coding competition looks to be all wrapped up with winners sorted in each category http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=780555#post780555 | 00:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer | screwit, what a PITA | 00:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ~lart tracker & mediaplayer | 00:12 |
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| DangerMaus | lol | 00:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer | anyway a Throttle=10 instead of Throttle=0 doesn't hurt in tracker.cfg | 00:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer | might easily fix some general sluggishness percieved by user during tracker doing its thing | 00:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer | (throttle == unix niceness) | 00:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer | it seems | 00:24 |
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| ShadowJK | unix niceness on new enough kernel also means ionice unless you explicitly go poke withionice | 00:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: \o/ | 00:26 |
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| E0x | what theme is this : http://talk.maemo.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=13048&stc=1&d=1282109505 | 00:27 |
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| E0x | http://talk.maemo.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=13050&stc=1&d=1282109537 | 00:27 |
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| E0x | ? | 00:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer | btw can anybody enlighten me how tracker/mediaplayer finds mp3 on uSD at all? I mean there's no single mentioning of /media/card(/*) in any of the include paths of tracker.cfg, just EXcludes | 00:29 |
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| E0x | magic | 00:30 |
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| E0x | nokia-magic | 00:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer | fsck nokia-magic | 00:30 |
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| trem | nite all, sweet dreams | 00:47 |
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| mc_teo` | hey | 01:06 |
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| mc_teo` | is there any python lib that deals with n900s wifi? | 01:07 |
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| kerio | mc_teo`: os | 01:15 |
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| kerio | import os; os.system("ifconfig wlan0 up") | 01:15 |
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| hwoarang | is anyone using load applet to capture screenshots? | 01:27 |
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| SpeedEvil | I have | 01:27 |
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| * kerio uses ^P | 01:27 |
| hwoarang | i cant make it work :) When I click the camera icon and then press the camera putton, the camera functionality pops up requiring me to open the camera cover | 01:28 |
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| hwoarang | = no screenshot taken | 01:28 |
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| SpeedEvil | I dunno. | 01:29 |
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| SpeedEvil | I think I used it a couple of times by just ignoring that, and waiting for it to timeout | 01:29 |
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| hwoarang | i see | 01:29 |
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| kerio | ctrl+shift+p works fine | 01:30 |
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| hwoarang | yes it does but i was just wondering ... | 01:31 |
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| SpeedEvil | It conflicts with camkeyd | 01:31 |
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| hwoarang | can i tweak that deamon? | 01:32 |
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| hwoarang | SpeedEvil: camkeyd is not installed :-/ | 01:36 |
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| hwoarang | anyway i ll use ctrl+shift+p | 01:37 |
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| astruasdh | please... a friend of mine installed kernel-power-settings (apt-get install kernel-power-settings), rebooted and uname-r keeps showing 2.6.28-omap1 | 02:19 |
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| astruasdh | is there more things to do in order to install kernel-power-settings ? | 02:20 |
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| astruasdh | pigeon, what he should do? | 02:22 |
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| pigeon | install kernel-power too i guess? | 02:23 |
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| astruasdh | ty! | 02:24 |
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| pigeon | astruasdh: http://wiki.maemo.org/Kernel_Power | 02:25 |
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| astruasdh | I said him to apt-get install kernel-power kernel-power-flasher kernel-power-settings | 02:28 |
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| astruasdh | this should work | 02:28 |
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| lolcat93 | I need to find the better battery for my N97 | 02:28 |
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| astruasdh | I dont know other smartphones, but my battery is ok | 02:32 |
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| blizzow | There are a few packages to add AIM/MSN/Yahoo! IM protocol support to the N900. Which is the proper package to choose? | 02:34 |
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| lolcat93 | astruasdh: I feel its not enough | 02:54 |
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| lolcat93 | I use it for 6-8 houres | 02:54 |
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| astruasdh | lolcat93, but you use it like a laptop? | 02:54 |
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| lolcat93 | Playing with it, mobile broadband with bad reception | 02:54 |
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| lolcat93 | Yes | 02:54 |
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| astruasdh | so it is ok, I think... my laptop lasts for an hour and half | 02:54 |
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| lolcat93 | Yeah | 02:54 |
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| astruasdh | lolcat93, using as a cellphone, my n900 lasts 2,5 days | 02:54 |
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| lolcat93 | But since I also use it as a phone | 02:55 |
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| lolcat93 | I want the bigger battery | 02:55 |
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| astruasdh | ya | 02:55 |
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| lolcat93 | Like, if it isn't too expencive | 02:55 |
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| lolcat93 | I want to have the one with twice the capacity | 02:55 |
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| astruasdh | I will buy a unlimited 3g internet next week, so this battery will be a nice thing for me too | 02:55 |
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| lolcat93 | I just dont know its name | 02:55 |
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| astruasdh | is there such a battery? | 02:56 |
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| astruasdh | but is it an official one? | 02:56 |
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| lolcat93 | It is a third party one | 03:03 |
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| lolcat93 | I have a "dumbass" insurance | 03:03 |
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| lolcat93 | It covers any "accidental" mistake I migth make with the battery | 03:03 |
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| nox- | this one? http://www.mugen-power-batteries.com/nokia/nokia-n900.html | 03:05 |
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| nox- | (and no i havent tried it :) | 03:06 |
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| lolcat93 | Yes | 03:06 |
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| lolcat93 | expencive though | 03:07 |
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| astruasdh | lolcat93, but it sounds good! | 03:08 |
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| astruasdh | can u tell me the name if u find it? | 03:08 |
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| nox- | see my link | 03:08 |
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| nox- | mugen | 03:09 |
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| astruasdh | nice, ty | 03:09 |
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| astruasdh | but it is not a nokia's offical one... is it? | 03:10 |
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| lolcat93 | Nope | 03:10 |
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| nox- | no its not official | 03:10 |
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| lolcat93 | But I'm insured | 03:10 |
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| lolcat93 | What alternatives do I have? Carrying a charger, and hoping a socket is nearby | 03:10 |
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| lolcat93 | A solar charger (it is quite dark in norway) | 03:10 |
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| SpeedEvil | The mugen battery | 03:11 |
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| astruasdh | u can buy a battery backpack and use it :P just kidding | 03:11 |
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| astruasdh | brb | 03:11 |
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| Brik | solar charger might work, friend of mine uses it in england and it's not like we ever have sun there | 03:11 |
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| lolcat93 | I saw on dealxtreme there were some with 4000mAh batteries inside | 03:12 |
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| lolcat93 | So it didn't actually need sun... | 03:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer | a pocket full of original BL-5J | 03:15 |
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| SpeedEvil | All you need is a car charger, a 12V car charger socket, a sturdy backpack and http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/12V-90AH-800AMPS-VARTA-CAR-BATTERY-/260651179172?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM | 03:16 |
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| DocScrutinizer | lolcat93: 4000mAh formfactor BL-5J??? that's nuttin, you can buy a 800.000mAh from me - at least that's what's written on it when it comes to you | 03:16 |
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| lolcat93 | Dealxtreme could probaly send me CHEAP ass batteries and a charger that doesn't require the phone... | 03:17 |
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| SpeedEvil | Run your n900 for around a couple of months active time. | 03:17 |
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| lolcat93 | http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.32444 | 03:17 |
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| lolcat93 | I could buy four originals for the price of a mugen | 03:18 |
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| lolcat93 | or 20 unoriginals | 03:18 |
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| SpeedEvil | I question if those are originals. | 03:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer | both a better deal | 03:18 |
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| lolcat93 | It says and I quote: "100% genuine Nokia product" | 03:19 |
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| SpeedEvil | ... | 03:19 |
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| lolcat93 | $14.97 shipped if I buy 5... | 03:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer | questionable quality | 03:21 |
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| lolcat93 | Original battery sucks, so this one probably does too | 03:22 |
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| lolcat93 | But I could always buy 10 of the unoriginal for $30 | 03:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I'd either go for the ~30$ genuine Nokia ones from a local dealer you can hit his nose when it's a fake, or for the 5$ explicit fake ones. No use in paying for counterfeit "package" | 03:23 |
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| SpeedEvil | My suggestion is _much_ better value. | 03:23 |
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| SpeedEvil | For around the same price as 5 bl5js, you get abourt 300* the storage. | 03:24 |
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| SpeedEvil | And you can cancel that expensive gym membership too. | 03:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer | hmm one bl5j = 5$... | 03:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer | :-) | 03:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer | one BL-5J Nokia is 30$ | 03:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer | maybe more | 03:25 |
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| SpeedEvil | It's $15 for those 'genuine' nokia batteries. | 03:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer | that's double fake | 03:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer | as you also have to pay for the counterfeit hologram and shits | 03:26 |
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| Brik | lmao | 03:26 |
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| lolcat93 | DocScrutinizer: $3 with shipping for the fake one | 03:26 |
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| lolcat93 | http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.34910 Would this work to charge it? | 03:27 |
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| lolcat93 | Oh well, it is so cheap I can afford it anyways... | 03:27 |
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| Brik | a once off charger? | 03:28 |
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| lolcat93 | If I buy 10 fake, or 5 fake fake I will need somehow to charge it without putting it into the phone | 03:28 |
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| Brik | lol | 03:29 |
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| Brik | how about 2 fake fake fake? | 03:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer | that particular charger looks really crappy | 03:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer | not even mentioning any charge management | 03:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer | could get nasty | 03:30 |
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| lolcat93 | So I need a real charger then | 03:30 |
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| lolcat93 | I agree | 03:30 |
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| lolcat93 | But how much could that be? | 03:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer | seen other ones with at least some product description mentioning charge management electronics, for about same pricetag | 03:31 |
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| lolcat93 | Where? | 03:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ebaeh | 03:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer | like 7.99 with one fake bl5j "genuine" | 03:33 |
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| lolcat93 | But the comments confirms this is real... | 03:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer | don't ask *me* | 03:34 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I'm proud to claim I wasn't the one who built them | 03:34 |
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| SpeedEvil | It is not impossible they get cheap ones. | 03:35 |
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| SpeedEvil | Sometimes the factories can be convinced to run off extras. | 03:35 |
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| SpeedEvil | For example - I have a Thinkpad X60S laptop. | 03:35 |
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| SpeedEvil | I have a replacement factory identical bottom metal shell. | 03:36 |
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| SpeedEvil | Also a identical to original power connector | 03:36 |
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| lolcat93 | I found out, five batteries, *migth* be a little impractical... | 03:37 |
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| lolcat93 | But that would give me 40 houres of phone usage | 03:37 |
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| lolcat93 | 48 actually | 03:37 |
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| mortini | for extra-long benders? | 03:37 |
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| lolcat93 | Huh? | 03:39 |
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| lolcat93 | But I need to do something about this battery time | 03:43 |
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| lolcat93 | I could probably order one of each though | 03:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer | lolcat93: http://gadgetgui.de/blog/2007/02/kurbelantrieb-fuers-handy/ | 03:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer | :-P | 03:46 |
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| lolcat93 | I go from my house, and use the phone VERY active aroudn town in bad reception areas for about 12 houres a day. | 03:47 |
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| lolcat93 | Most of the time I do not have time to charge the battery in a wall/computer socket | 03:47 |
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| lolcat93 | DocScrutinizer: Would rather use a solar panel | 03:48 |
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| SpeedEvil | lolcat93: ah | 03:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer | c'mon, 2.99GBP | 03:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer | meh, out of stock | 03:51 |
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| lolcat93 | DocScrutinizer: What? | 03:53 |
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| DocScrutinizer | lolcat93: http://www.gadgetshop.com/ViewAll/Wind-Up-Phone-Charger/EPN274050 2.99GBP, out of stock | 03:57 |
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| DocScrutinizer | anyway I'd sugest to use CA-146C adapter with such device, not to make magic blue smoke escape from N900 | 04:00 |
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| pronto | blue smoke is awesome though :o | 04:03 |
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| pigeon | hmm, what's the remedy for fcam stopping the led from working? | 04:22 |
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| MohammadAG51 | pigeon, stop mce; sleep 1; start mce | 04:35 |
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| pigeon | i've done that, even rebooted, and uninstalled fcam too, but still :( | 04:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ouch | 04:45 |
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| DocScrutinizer | which LED stopped working? | 04:45 |
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| * DocScrutinizer frowns | 04:46 |
| pigeon | charging light not working, all tests from LED patterns fail. | 04:46 |
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| SpeedEvil | Odd. | 04:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer | that's really odd | 04:46 |
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| SpeedEvil | Unplug bat. | 04:46 |
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| SpeedEvil | And USB | 04:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer | mhm | 04:46 |
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| * pigeon tries. | 04:47 |
| SpeedEvil | now, plug in bat, and plug in charger | 04:47 |
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| SpeedEvil | If the yellow does not go on - it's a hardware failure | 04:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer | watch LED | 04:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer | at least a short yellow flashing should be visible for sure | 04:47 |
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| MohammadAG51 | you know | 04:47 |
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| MohammadAG51 | kill mce and bme, then shove an empty battery in there | 04:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG51: bq24150 recovery charge *always* kicks in, until bme/mce started | 04:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer | or NOLO | 04:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer | to be precise | 04:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer | first hardware emg-chrg yellow, then NOLO yellow flashing, then bme/mce yellow flashing | 04:49 |
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| SpeedEvil | First stage is yellow LED - before CPU has booted. | 04:50 |
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| SpeedEvil | No software is running at this point | 04:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer | on plugin of charger to a powered down system. Otherwise without USB the first thing is NOLO ramping up white lifelight LED | 04:51 |
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| pigeon | well, the powering on led light still works | 04:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer | also a good test | 04:52 |
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| DocScrutinizer | as it includes all 3 LED colors plus LP5523 | 04:52 |
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| DocScrutinizer | then /etc/mce/mce.ini probably is borked | 04:52 |
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| pigeon | unplugging the batteries seem to have done the trick. | 04:53 |
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| DocScrutinizer | strange enough we had same issue yesterday | 04:53 |
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| pigeon | charging light is back | 04:53 |
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| DocScrutinizer | mhm, then it's been a lockup of LP5523 | 04:53 |
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| DocScrutinizer | there's no way to hardreset LP5523 except removal of battery | 04:54 |
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| pigeon | thanks | 04:54 |
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| SpeedEvil | :) | 04:55 |
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| pigeon | guess i'll try fcam again much later... :) | 04:55 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | unrelated to fcam | 04:55 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | I'd guess... :-) | 04:56 |
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| pigeon | i thought it was only because of: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=60508&page=5&highlight=fcam | 04:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer | can't see how fcam would interfere with indicator LED at all | 05:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer | but LED blinker device somewhat sounds like that, yes | 05:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer | otoh maybe that's flash LED 'blinker', dunno | 05:09 |
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| pigeon | DocScrutinizer: i'm using power kernel. | 05:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer | *nod* | 05:18 |
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| pigeon | is that titan? | 05:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer | obviously another flaw in that kernel | 05:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer | there are several malprovements in that kernel, e.g aiui loading the bq27200 module locks up direct I2C access to the batery gauge chip so all kinds of strange things can happen as we don't know exactly why is usually talking to that chip via I2C and what's going to bork when that fails. At least bme is known to query bq27200 via I2C directly | 05:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer | wouldn't feel surprised if LP5523.ko also got messed up in some way | 05:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer | or any other incompatibility that interferes with mce, leading to mce in turn messing up LP5523 chip | 05:23 |
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| nox- | sounds ugly | 05:24 |
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| pigeon | the only thing i want from that kernel, really, is nat. | 05:24 |
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| nox- | is there another kernel that supports wifi monitor mode? | 05:24 |
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| nox- | heh | 05:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer | messing with kernel without thorough knowledge of the whole system and possible incompatibilities is nasty by definition | 05:24 |
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| pigeon | i suppose i could rebuilt from the stock config with nat turned on if i'm desperate... yeah? | 05:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer | yep | 05:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer | think so | 05:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer | pigeon: if you encounter same LED problem again, please do: lsmod|grep 5523 >pastebin.me; modprobe -r leds_lp5523; modprobe leds_lp5523 | 07:13 |
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| pigeon | DocScrutinizer: ok | 07:35 |
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| crashanddie | greetings | 10:19 |
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| crashanddie | "French police have arrested two teenage girls they say stole hundreds of euros from unsuspecting cash machine customers after distracting them by flashing their breasts." | 10:19 |
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| quanttrom | I believe it is by stopping a process. I think I saw that on the maemo website somewhere.. let me look again | 11:02 |
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