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| xnt14 | why is maemo.org so slow atm? | 00:07 |
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| lcuk | because you forgot to put 10p in the machine | 00:07 |
| lcuk | you have to kick it a bit and it works | 00:07 |
| xnt14 | lcuk: :P | 00:07 |
| * MohammadAG opens a soda can in the 10p slot | 00:07 | |
| xnt14 | hmm | 00:08 |
| MohammadAG | choke on it *****! | 00:08 |
| xnt14 | who wrote MaStory? | 00:08 |
| * xnt14 googles | 00:08 | |
| MohammadAG | yerga | 00:08 |
| MohammadAG | I think | 00:08 |
| MohammadAG | or was it derga | 00:08 |
| MohammadAG | no, sure there was a y | 00:08 |
| xnt14 | MohammadAG: yerga, just checked | 00:08 |
| xnt14 | not here atm... | 00:08 |
| * DocScrutinizer (apt-get) points to tiny but somewhat usefull little script: http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools | 00:08 | |
| MohammadAG | never seen him here | 00:08 |
| MohammadAG | ~seen yerga | 00:09 |
| infobot | yerga <~yerga@Maemo/community/contributor/yerga> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 183d 9h 44m 56s ago, saying: 'but, well, news without source code aren't very fun'. | 00:09 |
| xnt14 | hmm | 00:09 |
| merlin1991 | awesome quote though :D | 00:09 |
| MohammadAG | lol | 00:09 |
| xnt14 | lol | 00:09 |
| xnt14 | maemo wiki links fail in gnome-terminal... -_- | 00:10 |
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| lcuk | xnt14, i made the calculator work on x86 happily :) | 00:12 |
| xnt14 | lcuk: awesome, linky? :) | 00:12 |
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| xnt14 | I just got a Wyse thin client, it can run linux..., :) | 00:13 |
| xnt14 | brb | 00:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer | lcuk: calc ftw \o/ | 00:19 |
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| xnt14 | back | 00:24 |
| lcuk | front | 00:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer | up, down | 00:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | strange, bottom | 00:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer | hmm, not exactly. Must be a parallel universe. here it's up, down, top, bottom, strange and charm | 00:31 |
| lcuk | isnt that the konami code? | 00:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's very tiny flavours | 00:32 |
| johnsq | no its double up, ... | 00:33 |
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| lcuk | ahh | 00:35 |
| * lcuk needs to test the xscreensavers | 00:35 | |
| lcuk | vlad has setup a wiki page listing all of them | 00:36 |
| lcuk | but theres like 200 of these random cool screensavers to run over | 00:36 |
| ShadowJK | the strange attractors screensaver is awesome | 00:38 |
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| ShadowJK | it's random, but it hits the beat inmusic more often than real beatmatching visualizations | 00:38 |
| lcuk | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=789755#post789755 | 00:38 |
| lcuk | someone else helping to fill in the wiki \o/ | 00:38 |
| lcuk | thts just random goodness | 00:38 |
| * DocScrutinizer suggests to rename screensaver to cellkiller | 00:39 | |
| lcuk | DocScrutinizer, oh pffft | 00:39 |
| lcuk | its just another type of game for some folks | 00:39 |
| lcuk | xnt14 - did you know those are all working now ;) | 00:39 |
| lcuk | (xnt falls into the ricing out devices group of teens who have n900s :p) | 00:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | btw the plain black screensaver actually is a LCD screenkiller, as it eats your CFL backlight on laptop :-P | 00:40 |
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| lcuk | DocScrutinizer, o_O | 00:41 |
| xnt14 | back, was afk :P | 00:41 |
| lcuk | i am shocked ! does that mean you have installed them yourself | 00:41 |
| lcuk | :p | 00:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | CFL doesn't like on/off rounds | 00:41 |
| lcuk | no, the screensaver part itself is handled by backlight stuff already | 00:41 |
| xnt14 | lcuk: :P | 00:41 |
| lcuk | I think monitoring that might be a bit lacking atm | 00:41 |
| xnt14 | brb... | 00:42 |
| lcuk | xnt14, prove me wrong :P | 00:42 |
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| pigeon | is there anyway to make taking photos faster on n900? generally there's also a lag, and the after shot view also takes a while. | 00:46 |
| kerio | pigeon: disable the after shot view | 00:46 |
| kerio | or try fcam | 00:46 |
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| pigeon | kerio: i'll give fcam a go, thanks. | 00:48 |
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| pigeon | fcam == fcamera right? | 00:49 |
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| SpeedEvil | yes | 00:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | lcuk: >>...and because running the cathode at too low a temperature drastically shortens the life of the lamps<< http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cold_cathode Every start of a CCFL is inherently with cold cathodes, so frequently switching off LCD monitors is generally a bad idea | 00:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | if they are CCFL backlight | 00:52 |
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| lcuk | DocScrutinizer, thats known anyway and handled as required by the backlight | 00:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer | (handled as required) actually it's not. Enabling full off (incl backlight) screensaver on laptop, which kicks in after 5 min, and is causing several dozen starts of CCFL a day, will cause your laptop backlight fail before you might want to swap the whole device for a new one | 00:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer | and I'm not sure this is commonly known | 01:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | btw same holds true for desktop LCD monitors of course | 01:03 |
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| luke-jr | so this Skype video codec problem… is there a reason we can't just install the video codec used by Skype 2.x? | 01:16 |
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| tobis87 | Has anyone seen this yet? http://www.neopwn.com/store.php : "Those that choose to support this (...) will personally receive (...) a binary patched, injection driver for wl1251 (...) The driver patches will be released as soon as the goal is met for covering the expenses for the development, which totals 1350 EUR." <- I think this is now a case for gpl-violations.org. | 01:23 |
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| ieatlint | how does that violate the gpl? | 01:24 |
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| ieatlint | the gpl says that you must only release source code when you distribute gpl software, and only to your customers if you're selling it | 01:26 |
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| luke-jr | tobis87: it is | 01:27 |
| luke-jr | ieatlint: he's giving binaries w/o source | 01:28 |
| lcuk | have you got said binary to backup that statement? | 01:28 |
| ieatlint | until you have the binary and he refuses your request for the source, it's not a violation | 01:29 |
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| ieatlint | and you have to pay $40 to make that claim -- can't request dick all if you're not a customer | 01:29 |
| luke-jr | ieatlint: yes, it is | 01:29 |
| luke-jr | he's obliged to OFFER the source | 01:29 |
| luke-jr | you're not supposed to have to ask for it | 01:29 |
| ieatlint | nope, only when he distributes and to he distributes it to | 01:30 |
| luke-jr | correct, but he must offer it | 01:30 |
| ieatlint | no, he's required to make it available and have a process for doing it | 01:30 |
| luke-jr | and if he chooses to use an offer, he must honour it from ANYONE | 01:30 |
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| ieatlint | nope | 01:30 |
| luke-jr | the "only distribute source to your customers" part requires including source with the binary up front | 01:30 |
| tobis87 | He is giving out a modified piece of software, which is licenced under GPL in binary form only. We do not know if he will release the code in the future and it seems that he will only do this after he earned some money. | 01:30 |
| ieatlint | he's doing nothing against the gpl at this moment | 01:30 |
| luke-jr | ieatlint: according to that quote he is | 01:30 |
| ieatlint | he's not until he refuses the source to someone who he distributed the binary to | 01:31 |
| ieatlint | that may very well happen, but you're jumping the gun | 01:31 |
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| luke-jr | ieatlint: wrong | 01:31 |
| luke-jr | ieatlint: if he doesn't including either the source or an offer when he distributes the binary, he is infringing | 01:31 |
| luke-jr | if he includes an offer, he is obliged to honour it no matter who makes the request | 01:32 |
| ieatlint | correct | 01:32 |
| ieatlint | but he's not given out the binary | 01:32 |
| ieatlint | and you don't know what he will actually include in the distribution when he makes it -- it could well include a gpl-compliant way to get the source | 01:32 |
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| ieatlint | simply put: you don't know | 01:32 |
| SpeedEvil | Also - if it is binary patches, doesn't that rather change things? | 01:33 |
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| SpeedEvil | That is - for example - if the patches have not been developed using the source directly, but by editing the resulting binary, and running diff against it. | 01:33 |
| ieatlint | SpeedEvil: it appears he's giving out a binary for a custom patched driver (additionally, are we just assuming this driver is gpl and not something like bsd?) | 01:33 |
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| luke-jr | ieatlint: anything Linux-derived MUST be GPL | 01:35 |
| luke-jr | all kernelspace drivers are derived, in Linux | 01:35 |
| ieatlint | go tell that to nvidia | 01:35 |
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| tobis87 | nvidia module taints the kernel | 01:36 |
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| ieatlint | uh, i don't get kernel taint warnings with it | 01:36 |
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| ieatlint | but it does appear that the base driver is gpl | 01:37 |
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| nox- | iirc nvidia `cheats' and grabs the gpl-only symbol(s?) it needs usin nm | 01:37 |
| nox- | using even | 01:37 |
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| vickyk73 | hi i ned some help with my nokia n900 please | 01:37 |
| vickyk73 | i m new to it as yet | 01:37 |
| merlin1991 | vickyk73, you could start by pointing out your problem ;) | 01:38 |
| tobis87 | maybe I have an old module, but dmesg | grep -i taints gives me: "nvidia: module license 'NVIDIA' taints kernel." | 01:38 |
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| ieatlint | nox-: haha, yeah, i wondered about that.. you "compile" the driver, or seemingly a gpl buffer between the kernel and proprietary code | 01:38 |
| ieatlint | tobis87: "dmesg | grep -i taint" gives me nada | 01:38 |
| nox- | yeah it links a binary blob | 01:38 |
| luke-jr | ieatlint: I'd sue nVidia if I had the resources. | 01:38 |
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| ieatlint | oh, wait, consider my statement unconfirmed | 01:39 |
| luke-jr | nox-: cheating won't lessen infrignement | 01:39 |
| vickyk73 | i installed nokia ovi suite , and there was new update available so it asked me to back up all the data and stuff i think it backed i up twice when it was done installing the new software and i installed the backup data back in to my phone my wifi settings had disappeared | 01:39 |
| ieatlint | my kernel log has filled so it doesn't have any messages from the nvidia module loading | 01:39 |
| nox- | well fglrx isnt really any better | 01:39 |
| ieatlint | luke-jr: or the standing to sue? | 01:39 |
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| vickyk73 | now the thing my IT guy had put them in for me and he is being an ass now and don't want to put it back for me | 01:39 |
| luke-jr | ieatlint: copyright is a resource | 01:39 |
| luke-jr | ☺ | 01:39 |
| ieatlint | only the infringed can sue, and well, if you are the one who wrote any of the gpl hooks nvidia uses, my apologies :) | 01:40 |
| vickyk73 | is there a way to get it back from the backup which i still have on my pc | 01:40 |
| tobis87 | ieatlint: try, grep nvidia /var/log/syslog.0 | 01:40 |
| ieatlint | tobis87: i run syslog-ng, but the messages file has no taint warning | 01:40 |
| ieatlint | it also has cycled, damnit | 01:41 |
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| ieatlint | let me look at logrotated stuff | 01:41 |
| vickyk73 | so can anyone help me??? | 01:41 |
| * luke-jr grumbles at Linux not merging Greg's patch to block infringing modules | 01:41 | |
| luke-jr | Linus* | 01:41 |
| ieatlint | tobis87: ok, i am indeed wrong there... it does have that warning: "nvidia: module license 'NVIDIA' taints kernel." is present | 01:42 |
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| SpeedEvil | vickyk73: Sorry - unsure whatr format the backups are in. | 01:42 |
| tobis87 | luke-jr: the nvidia module is bad, but worse is flash, acroread, nerolinux, real player and all of this other crap | 01:43 |
| vickyk73 | N900_2010-08-03.nbu | 01:43 |
| luke-jr | tobis87: the latter don't infringe on any copyrights AFAIK | 01:43 |
| SpeedEvil | nvidia module has random access to kernel. | 01:43 |
| SpeedEvil | others don't | 01:43 |
| luke-jr | tobis87: the latter also can be ignored and left uninstalled | 01:43 |
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| vickyk73 | SpeedEvil N900_2010-08-03.nbu | 01:44 |
| SpeedEvil | vickyk73: Sorry - I mean what's the internal format - I have no idea whart a nbu file is. | 01:44 |
| luke-jr | SpeedEvil: not just kernel | 01:44 |
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| luke-jr | anything and everything | 01:44 |
| SpeedEvil | luke-jr: yeah - that's what I meant | 01:44 |
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| luke-jr | nVidia module could destroy your BIOS and HD firmware if it wanted | 01:45 |
| ieatlint | yeah, but at least i'd have a company to sue if they did | 01:45 |
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| tobis87 | luke-jr: no, but they are still bad. flash and skype for example, at least if you badly need them. | 01:45 |
| nox- | well stuff you run as root can too, which doesnt require gpl | 01:45 |
| luke-jr | tobis87: no reason to need Flash | 01:46 |
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| luke-jr | Skype is a compromise I recently had to make much to my disappointment in the free alternatives | 01:46 |
| luke-jr | nox-: sandbox | 01:46 |
| lcuk | vickyk73, eep | 01:46 |
| lcuk | the backup format doesnt actually sound familiar, was that ovi that did it? | 01:47 |
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| luke-jr | on a more practical level, how hard can it be to add injection for wl1251? | 01:48 |
| tobis87 | luke-jr: yes, you could use gnash, which does not work at all. even the iphone fanboys have hacked flash to get it working, while steve said they don't need it. http://tech.slashdot.org/story/10/08/17/1735256/Six-Reasons-Why-Flash-Isnt-Going-Away | 01:48 |
| luke-jr | I cast my vote for implementing it freely to teach these guys a lesson :P | 01:48 |
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| luke-jr | tobis87: or you could just boycott all Flash content like I have for years | 01:49 |
| luke-jr | no loss | 01:49 |
| konfoo | the flash camp all have massive chips on their shoulders these days | 01:49 |
| alterego | luke-jr: you never use youtube? | 01:49 |
| konfoo | and they are all directing it at the html5 watwg and w3c committees | 01:49 |
| luke-jr | alterego: YouTube supports HTML5 | 01:49 |
| konfoo | quite annoying, actually | 01:49 |
| lcuk | vickyk73, 497 people can answer any better than one person hidden away | 01:49 |
| tobis87 | luke-jr: if firefox stable supports propper html5, i will remove flash, because youtube supports it. | 01:50 |
| luke-jr | tobis87: Firefox sucks | 01:50 |
| lcuk | I offered you a little of my insight - that backup format does not make sense | 01:50 |
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| ieatlint | maybe you should hold off on the attacking of the guy until he actually violates the gpl here, and in the interim, assume good faith | 01:50 |
| lcuk | is it only wifi settings that have vanished vickyk73 | 01:50 |
| vickyk73 | i used nokia ovi suite | 01:50 |
| vickyk73 | to do backup | 01:50 |
| alterego | Wow, it's quite weird using the N900 without haptic feedback .. | 01:50 |
| vickyk73 | yes lcuk | 01:50 |
| lcuk | that does seem very odd | 01:50 |
| vickyk73 | rest everything came back | 01:50 |
| lcuk | because ovi should not be able to modify settings of your running system? | 01:50 |
| vickyk73 | i still have the backup file on my pc | 01:51 |
| ieatlint | note that most programmers live in this grey area, and fanatical "he wants to make money off his work!" attacks tend to turn people away from open source | 01:51 |
| tobis87 | luke-jr: what do you use, lynx? :) | 01:51 |
| lcuk | vickyk73, can't you just put the password in when you connect to the AP? | 01:51 |
| vickyk73 | no that's the problem | 01:51 |
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| luke-jr | ieatlint: he's published intent to infringe. I see no reason to presume good faith. | 01:51 |
| vickyk73 | my it guy know the password | 01:51 |
| luke-jr | tobis87: Konqueror | 01:51 |
| vickyk73 | and he refusing to put it again | 01:51 |
| ieatlint | luke-jr: where? | 01:51 |
| luke-jr | tobis87: if I really want YouTube, Chromium | 01:51 |
| konfoo | ieatlint: exactly | 01:51 |
| luke-jr | ieatlint: the quoted page | 01:51 |
| luke-jr | "Those that choose to support this (…) will personally receive (…) a binary patched, injection driver for wl1251 (…) The driver patches will be released as soon as the goal is met for covering the expenses for the development, which totals 1350 EUR." | 01:52 |
| ieatlint | you're making assumptions | 01:52 |
| luke-jr | nope | 01:52 |
| ieatlint | nowhere does it explicitly state that those who pay don't get the patches with the binary | 01:52 |
| konfoo | if he had true intent to infringe, why would he list that on the annoucement page | 01:52 |
| konfoo | seriously. | 01:52 |
| ieatlint | it's not unreasonable to assume he means they will be released to everyone for free after recouping costs | 01:52 |
| lcuk | vickyk73, I am actually flummoxed about this backup you said it performed, because the N900 only exposes its data portion | 01:52 |
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| ieatlint | and until you have any proof to the contrary, you're just on a witch hunt | 01:52 |
| vickyk73 | so that's why i need ur help please | 01:52 |
| lcuk | I think you are just going to have to sweet talk your it guy round slowly | 01:53 |
| vickyk73 | or anyone else | 01:53 |
| tobis87 | luke-jr: I tried to compile chromium, but my glibc is too old, i'm lucky to have backported firefox. konqueror = kde4? | 01:53 |
| vickyk73 | I have tried | 01:53 |
| * lcuk nods | 01:53 | |
| vickyk73 | But once he makes up his mind he can be an ass | 01:53 |
| luke-jr | ieatlint: I was banned from #pentoo for pointing out the infringement | 01:53 |
| tobis87 | luke-jr: i had to compile it, but it did not work, but not because of the old glibc | 01:53 |
| ieatlint | that sounds pretty conclusive :P | 01:53 |
| luke-jr | tobis87: so stop using obsolete crap | 01:53 |
| vickyk73 | ok is there a way to check the current wifi password save on the n900? | 01:54 |
| vickyk73 | saved* | 01:54 |
| tobis87 | luke-jr: but everything works, all chips inside my pc, i even use my tpm chip as a random number generator. | 01:55 |
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| tobis87 | luke-jr: i had to backport some kernel modules, and hack some defines in it, but it works. | 01:56 |
| vickyk73 | ok is there a way to check the current wifi password saved on the n900? | 01:57 |
| lcuk | not using the UI, there are mechanisms using the command line however but its not trivial | 01:57 |
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| * lcuk goes to sleep though | 01:58 | |
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| lcuk | gnite #all \o | 01:58 |
| vickyk73 | lcuk | 01:58 |
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| vickyk73 | !ping | 01:59 |
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| alterego | Interesting, so QtMobility will have a Camera module which seems to be a simple fcam like api | 02:05 |
| alterego | That is, it doesn't look as powerful as fcam .. | 02:05 |
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| lcuk | alterego, if the api is usable though, then there is potential to move fcam within qtm itself or some such | 02:07 |
| lcuk | or that would be my understanding? | 02:08 |
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| smhar | development for the pdf viewers seem to be very slow, I hope things will pick up more quickly soon | 02:08 |
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| lcuk | smhar, make noice towards the pdf devs then :P | 02:09 |
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| * lcuk isnt here though now | 02:09 | |
| smhar | it is a shame that after all hte time since N900 -and PR1.2) has been released, we still do not have a decent pdf viewer :-( | 02:10 |
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| luke-jr | smhar: WORKS FOR ME | 02:10 |
| * lcuk used to generate and read pdfs in a past life | 02:10 | |
| smhar | nook index,bookmark and ... is still missing | 02:11 |
| smhar | evinc is slow | 02:12 |
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| alterego | lcuk: Well, I guess, as fcam isn't very "Qt". | 02:15 |
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| alterego | Interesting, looks like OpenGL uses full colour capabilities of display. | 02:45 |
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| vickyk73 | hi where can i find the save wifi password on the nokia n900? | 02:51 |
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| SpeedEvil1 | It's in gconf | 03:02 |
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| SpeedEvil1 | gconftool can tell you | 03:03 |
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| lcuk | SpeedEvil1, is there a specific branch that vickyk73 needs to look on? | 03:04 |
| SpeedEvil1 | hmm | 03:04 |
| SpeedEvil1 | It seems not to be ... | 03:04 |
| * SpeedEvil1 is confused. | 03:04 | |
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| SpeedEvil | I'm sure it was in gconf - byt grep -r mypass /etc isn't showing it | 03:06 |
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| nox- | might be obfuscated? | 03:10 |
| SpeedEvil | Possibly | 03:11 |
| SpeedEvil | It diddn't used to be | 03:11 |
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| johnx | hallo maemoites | 04:06 |
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| b-man` | hey johnx! | 04:50 |
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| iluminator101 | how can i install vlan player on maemo? | 04:55 |
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| b-man` | hmm | 04:56 |
| iluminator101 | actually i just want to install this codec Microsoft Windows Media VC-1 | 04:58 |
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| b-man` | this is very creepy.. a song that i've never herd of and that i didn't download just appeared on my n900's mediaplayer playlist O_O | 04:58 |
| nox- | actually ive been told vlc does run on n900... | 04:59 |
| nox- | mplayer runs too | 04:59 |
| nox- | well, cvlc | 04:59 |
| nox- | so no gui | 04:59 |
| SpeedEvil | b-man`: there are 5 or so default songs | 05:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | b-man`: random play? or least used playlist? I bet something along that line | 05:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | eMMC image comes with 2(?) video clips as well | 05:04 |
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| iluminator101 | i have decoders support package installed, is there another codecs package that i dont know about? | 05:08 |
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| SpeedEvil | also - ffplay works fine too | 05:08 |
| nox- | ffplay? that still exists? | 05:10 |
| SpeedEvil | yes. | 05:11 |
| SpeedEvil | It's the only thing I can find that will play some flash content. | 05:12 |
| SpeedEvil | Oddly. | 05:12 |
| nox- | not even mplayer? | 05:12 |
| SpeedEvil | nope. | 05:13 |
| SpeedEvil | First frame, then stalls. | 05:13 |
| nox- | oh | 05:13 |
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| b-man` | SpeedEvil: i know | 05:28 |
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| iluminator101 | how do you run vlc from command line, can someone link me to the commands? | 05:37 |
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| eipi | info eipi2 | 06:11 |
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| xnt14 | night everyone | 06:12 |
| Mr_Nobu | pronto can we sort this fucking shit oot or what i mean your supposed to be a adult ! | 06:13 |
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| Mr_Nobu | thats the last time i fuck a dude under 25 get over yourself pronto !!!!!! | 06:15 |
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| ShadowJK | who is pronto? | 06:19 |
| pronto | ? | 06:19 |
| pronto | need somethign ShadowJK ? | 06:19 |
| ShadowJK | Oh well drama is no fun when I have no clue who's involved | 06:19 |
| Mr_Nobu | Dont worry about it ShadowJK just some up his self little fag that i have wasted to many hours over and i assume has me on ignore | 06:20 |
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| Brik | :| | 06:20 |
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| * DocScrutinizer searches for popcorn | 06:22 | |
| DocScrutinizer | bah, out | 06:22 |
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| swc|666 | DocScrutinizer, don't feel bad i'm out too | 06:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's only my popcorn that's out of supply | 06:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | thought I'd need some :-P | 06:25 |
| swc|666 | hehe rgr that | 06:25 |
| ShadowJK | I suspect there wont be any show :/ | 06:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | yup | 06:25 |
| luke-jr | swc|666: how goes that GPL infringement? | 06:26 |
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| DocScrutinizer | though I'm tempted you utter my dislike of the speech | 06:27 |
| swc|666 | luke-jr, no idea what you're talking about or what drugs you are on tonight | 06:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | s/you/to/ | 06:27 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer meant: though I'm tempted to utter my dislike of the speech | 06:27 |
| luke-jr | swc|666: that binary-only kernel module NeoPwn is selling | 06:27 |
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| swc|666 | its not for sale nor is the work for the driver paid for yet | 06:28 |
| luke-jr | you're distributing it in exchange for moneys. that's called sale. | 06:28 |
| swc|666 | uh no | 06:28 |
| Finnish | How safe it is to overclock N900 to 1ghz via power kernel? | 06:29 |
| swc|666 | i think you need to re-read the gpl there dude | 06:29 |
| luke-jr | in any case, the GPL makes no exceptions for distribution without fee either | 06:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~tell Finnish about omap-oc | 06:29 |
| luke-jr | Finnish: not. | 06:29 |
| luke-jr | Finnish: that's why it's overclocking. it's NOT safe. | 06:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: finished (SCNR) | 06:30 |
| luke-jr | SCNR? | 06:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~wtf scnr | 06:30 |
| infobot | SCNR: sorry, could not resist | 06:31 |
| tank-man | gpl violations mean nothing for the software user cause they can't do anything legally, only the owner of the copyrighted work | 06:31 |
| luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: I don't get it. | 06:31 |
| luke-jr | tank-man: of course. they'll probably get away with it. | 06:31 |
| Finnish | luke-jr, Not safe? It will brake my phone? | 06:31 |
| luke-jr | doesn't mean we can't give them slack over it, and refuse to buy it. | 06:31 |
| luke-jr | Finnish: over time, yes | 06:31 |
| luke-jr | Finnish: Nokia already ships it overclocked enough that it will fry within a year if used constantly. | 06:31 |
| luke-jr | unless you're lucky | 06:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | Finnish: would you please consider reading the nice link infobot posted to you | 06:32 |
| Finnish | Well I don't have other needs to oveclock, but my phone slows down, always. After reboot I have to reboot it in 4-5 days, otherwise home-hildon slows me down so much I'm skipping/missing calls because phone is not that responsive | 06:33 |
| johnx | that's memory usage, not CPU usage | 06:33 |
| luke-jr | Finnish: reboot it daily | 06:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | Finnish: so you thought you'll overclock it maybe then it reaches that point even faster? | 06:34 |
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| ShadowJK | yeah overclocking wont help.. | 06:34 |
| luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: LOL | 06:34 |
| Finnish | So how can I prevent that RAM leaking or whatever that's called? | 06:34 |
| * ShadowJK is starting to suspect cgroups.. though timeless said they're still mostly harmless in m5 | 06:35 | |
| DocScrutinizer | it's probably swap fragmentation | 06:35 |
| johnx | Finnish, be careful what 3rd party apps you leave running all the time. reduce the amount of widgets on your desktop | 06:35 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Finnish: and ShadowJK is the man to tell you more about it | 06:35 |
| ShadowJK | There's more than just swap fragmentation | 06:35 |
| ShadowJK | I haven't figured it out | 06:36 |
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| luke-jr | Finnish: rebooting regularly | 06:36 |
| luke-jr | ShadowJK: cgroups? | 06:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | Nokia-N900-42-11:~# uptime | 06:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | 05:36:42 up 11 days, 17:07, load average: 0.00, 0.02, 0.00 | 06:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer | WFM | 06:37 |
| ShadowJK | luke-jr, like "this group of processes can only use 20megs of ram" | 06:37 |
| TermanaN900 | Theres an optimization script which will just restart the appropriate processes rather than do a full reboot | 06:37 |
| TermanaN900 | on tmo somewhere | 06:37 |
| ShadowJK | ShadowJK, start from dpkg -L ohmd, it manages it, from there you'll find the scary conf file for it.. | 06:38 |
| ShadowJK | iirc | 06:38 |
| ShadowJK | oops | 06:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | duh | 06:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | TermanaN900: that mysterious script fist had to know what *are* the processes to restart | 06:39 |
| ShadowJK | that doesnt exist | 06:39 |
| ShadowJK | luke-jr, have a look /usr/share/policy/etc/current/syspart.conf | 06:40 |
| ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer, iirc it just kills everything, more or less | 06:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | lol | 06:40 |
| ShadowJK | (and upstart/dsme brings it back) | 06:40 |
| johnx | kill 'em all and let init sort 'em out? | 06:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | muhaha | 06:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | good one | 06:40 |
| luke-jr | LOL | 06:40 |
| johnx | :D | 06:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | I prfer a clean boot anytime - though, as mentioned above - just WFM | 06:41 |
| johnx | I should see how long I can go without a reboot | 06:42 |
| TermanaN900 | Hmm sometimes when i reboot my n900, the interface is immediately unusable, laggy, missing icons, transitions not working etc. | 06:42 |
| TermanaN900 | reboot fixes it | 06:42 |
| TermanaN900 | anyone else get this? | 06:42 |
| johnx | any interesting widgets running? | 06:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | seems I'm just a little bit more careful to my system, or maybe just more aware what's actually going on | 06:42 |
| TermanaN900 | nope, i have just screen with 2 rows of shortcuts and the other 3 screens have been left as default | 06:43 |
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| * johnx suddenly wants to start an uptime competition at t.m.o :D | 06:43 | |
| ShadowJK | last really bad situation was caused by accidentally opening a forum thread with lots of gigantic images | 06:44 |
| * DocScrutinizer pulls tracker to court | 06:44 | |
| ShadowJK | the swapping persisted even after I killed browser and browserd | 06:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | johnx: not enough rant, wn't fly | 06:44 |
| * ShadowJK wonders if xorg has a memory limit it exceeded after microb bloated its heap | 06:44 | |
| DocScrutinizer | prolly not but could use one | 06:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | btw flash can have absolutely same effect | 06:46 |
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| luke-jr | Xorg is a memory hog >:/ | 06:46 |
| ShadowJK | well flash has a habbit of write(1byte);fsync();fsync();fsync(); | 06:47 |
| ShadowJK | which takes about 2 seconds on ext3 on emmc | 06:47 |
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| ShadowJK | ugh, I need to make a vmstat tool that uses /syspart info :) | 06:49 |
| ShadowJK | cat /syspart/applications/standby/background/memory.limit_in_bytes /syspart/applications/standby/background/memory.max_usage_in_bytes | 06:52 |
| ShadowJK | I gwt two identical numbers :) | 06:52 |
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| DocScrutinizer | feel like a fool, reading this on N900, then jumping up and heading to laptop 2 rooms away, just to use ssh login to same N900 :o) | 06:56 |
| pronto | it would be awesome to send and receiver text messages via ssh on the n900 | 06:58 |
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| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG51 has uttered rant about some script doing that - among other things - aiui | 06:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | should have hit extras-devel some days ago | 07:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2010-08-13.log.html#t2010-08-13T01:51:14 | 07:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer | nice statistics: http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/search?q=Mr_Nobu 5:2 winner is - explicit speech | 07:12 |
| TermanaN900 | DocScrutinizer, hmm. That mother fucker | 07:15 |
| TermanaN900 | :P | 07:15 |
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| pronto | lol that guy is still here? | 07:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer | TermanaN900: flea power is pure poison :-P | 07:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | powder* | 07:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm, too late for USA, too early for Europe? And Aussies don't answer when asked for fleapowder :-/ | 07:35 |
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| TermanaN900 | DigitalPioneer, heh, no poison labels on this flea powder | 07:39 |
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| slonopotamus | Stskeeps: your planet maemo post is overpathos | 07:57 |
| Stskeeps | slonopotamus: don't really care, people like it | 07:58 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 07:58 |
| slonopotamus | btw, community ssu for n8x0 - ? i missed something? | 07:58 |
| Stskeeps | there's one | 07:59 |
| Stskeeps | this is mostly a n900 post though | 07:59 |
| slonopotamus | it's too shiny to be true :) | 07:59 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | yeah, got 4 updates for N810 :-D | 08:02 |
| Stskeeps | slonopotamus: i don't state anything that's not fact there, rest is just direction and ways to petition nokia | 08:03 |
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| DigitalPioneer | (planet mer-proj blog) sounds like a SOS to me, not like the promise of a great shiny future. If meego-arm would implement a POC project about the promised forward compatibility/portability of maemo Qt apps to meego actually going to happen and feasible, that for sure would be more attracting for developers than the promise of a shiny meego future at the expense of abandoning maemo | 08:29 |
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| slonopotamus | DigitalPioneer: POC? | 08:30 |
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| DigitalPioneer | ~wtf poc | 08:30 |
| infobot | POC: point of contact | 08:30 |
| Stskeeps | DigitalPioneer: it does work, why bother trying then? :P | 08:31 |
| DigitalPioneer | ooh nope, proof of concept | 08:31 |
| Stskeeps | DigitalPioneer: libmeegotouch and all that stuff obviously started on maemo | 08:31 |
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| slonopotamus | if maemo qt apps are sane qt apps, they should run wherver qt runs, no? | 08:32 |
| Stskeeps | right | 08:32 |
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| DigitalPioneer | I know, but then why isn't there a 'script' yet to port maemo apps? | 08:32 |
| Stskeeps | are we ignoring packaging? | 08:33 |
| slonopotamus | i guess packaging has to be converted by hand | 08:33 |
| Stskeeps | cos then it usually just bends down to running qmake or whatever | 08:33 |
| DangerMaus | lol | 08:34 |
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| DigitalPioneer | well, I'll keep the 'power user' perspective for that. As long as maemo allows me to use my N900 for a phone+palmtop (that'S what I bought it for), why should I sacrifice that for developing on meego bare bones where I can't get neither normal phone usage nor my favouite apps, even when willing to jump the configure; make; make install hoops | 08:39 |
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| slonopotamus | is it time for open initfs for n8x0 yet? | 08:40 |
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| luke-jr | slonopotamus: lol? | 08:41 |
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| slonopotamus | luke-jr: wut? | 08:45 |
| luke-jr | [00:40:20] <slonopotamus> is it time for open initfs for n8x0 yet? | 08:46 |
| luke-jr | as if it would remotely work | 08:46 |
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| Stskeeps | why bother with a initfs.. | 08:46 |
| Stskeeps | what you'll want is just bme compiled for a sane os | 08:48 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 08:48 |
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| DigitalPioneer | that's an antinom. A OS with working bme isn't sane - by definition | 08:48 |
| DigitalPioneer | at least THAT particular flavour of bme | 08:48 |
| luke-jr | Stskeeps: what we want is blob-free | 08:50 |
| Stskeeps | luke-jr: join the club, but not going to happen on n8x0 | 08:50 |
| luke-jr | especially blobs that force shutdowns | 08:50 |
| DigitalPioneer | and a QA that cares about backward compatibility to maemo as much as about forward compatibility to meego head | 08:51 |
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| DigitalPioneer | that blog talks a lot about daily QA to meego head, but no word about maemo | 08:52 |
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| DigitalPioneer | instead it tells maemo users "bye suckers, that's my last word to you" :-( | 08:54 |
| DigitalPioneer | sure a rather polite invitation | 08:55 |
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| Stskeeps | then again you do perceive quite a lot of things with a negative connotation out of the average which does seem to understand what i'm trying to say | 08:56 |
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| Stskeeps | :P | 08:56 |
| DigitalPioneer | I'm just applying the context framework that meego has tought me | 08:57 |
| DigitalPioneer | aaah | 08:57 |
| DigitalPioneer | :-P | 08:57 |
| luke-jr | Stskeeps: would be nice if I could use the N810 | 08:57 |
| luke-jr | but I can't because BME forces it to shutdown minutes after I unplug it | 08:57 |
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| kerio | luke-jr: disable the bme! | 09:17 |
| kerio | :D | 09:17 |
| luke-jr | … | 09:18 |
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| kerio | indetermination principle! if nothing is checking the battery, it sits in a entangled state of "charged" and "not charged" | 09:19 |
| kerio | also brb switching battery | 09:19 |
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| DangerMaus | i feel stoned!! | 09:22 |
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| kerio | if the power goes down in a phone alone, does it make a sound? | 09:23 |
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| came1 | hello | 09:27 |
| came1 | I'm developing a networking game using bluez. | 09:27 |
| kaushik | cool | 09:28 |
| came1 | But at most 3 clients can connnect to server. | 09:28 |
| kaushik | ya,what is it about | 09:28 |
| came1 | When the 4th one connect to server, it returns "Host is down" | 09:28 |
| kaushik | how are you trying to connect? | 09:29 |
| came1 | I don't think it is error of program | 09:29 |
| came1 | socket | 09:29 |
| came1 | rfcomm | 09:29 |
| came1 | when I quit a client, the 4th client can connect to server | 09:30 |
| MiXu- | Are you using psd or wlan? | 09:31 |
| MiXu- | and is the server a mobile device also? | 09:31 |
| came1 | I'm using bluetooth | 09:31 |
| came1 | bluez | 09:31 |
| MiXu- | Ah, ok. I'm not familiar with that | 09:31 |
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| kaushik | i ahve seen bluz working with one client but have not tried mutiple clients sorry | 09:32 |
| came1 | but there's a little differences between bt and wifi in socket programming | 09:32 |
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| MiXu- | I haven't heard of simultaneous bt connections used anywhere before | 09:33 |
| came1 | Is there any limits on bluez device about max connections? | 09:33 |
| MiXu- | So it may be a technical limitation | 09:33 |
| came1 | but many games support multi players using bluetooth | 09:34 |
| MiXu- | ok | 09:35 |
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| came1 | Does bluez' s configuration limits max connections? | 09:37 |
| kerio | came1: hmm... move from a client-server configuration to a p2p | 09:37 |
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| kerio | p1 opens the server, p2 connects to p1, p3 connects to p2 | 09:38 |
| came1 | aah | 09:39 |
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| DigitalPioneer | I think I've read some limits apply to BT multiconnect | 09:39 |
| DigitalPioneer | tbh I never heard of it until a few weeks ago | 09:39 |
| came1 | Please tell me about the limits apply to BT multiconnect | 09:39 |
| came1 | where can I read it? | 09:40 |
| mece | there was a nice howto repartition N900 on tmo, but now I can't find it. Anyone know what the thread was called? | 09:40 |
| came1 | If there're some limits, then kerio's method is a resolvement | 09:40 |
| DigitalPioneer | BT piconet: 1 master, up to seven active slaves | 09:42 |
| came1 | but kerio's method constuct a chain. If a client is down, other clients may be affected | 09:43 |
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| DigitalPioneer | http://de.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Datei:BluetoothScatternet-de.svg&filetimestamp=20060816124833 | 09:43 |
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| came1 | yes. I know total 8 terminals in a BT picone | 09:44 |
| came1 | so i design at most 8 players in a game | 09:44 |
| came1 | but now the 4th one is denied | 09:44 |
| DigitalPioneer | what BT profile are you using anyway? | 09:45 |
| came1 | I use the default one of Diablo | 09:45 |
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| kerio | came1: hmm... allow two inbound connection then | 09:52 |
| kerio | but balancing the net is complicated | 09:52 |
| came1 | it's too complicated | 09:53 |
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| came1 | I'm know using 4 N800s for developing. | 09:55 |
| came1 | know | 09:55 |
| came1 | now | 09:55 |
| came1 | I don not know much about BT profile. | 09:56 |
| came1 | I'm using socket of BT rfcomm, just like INET. | 09:57 |
| came1 | Will profile affect connection number? | 09:58 |
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| skyscraper | hello everybody | 10:15 |
| pronto | hi there | 10:15 |
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| skyscraper | anyone managed to activate fm transmitter on n900 while on headset/mic input | 10:16 |
| skyscraper | ??? | 10:17 |
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| kerio | skyscraper: sure | 10:18 |
| kerio | jacekowski.org | 10:18 |
| kerio | install the modified fmtxd | 10:18 |
| skyscraper | nice ! thought its not possible | 10:19 |
| kerio | the UI will still check for the headphones, so you need to use the fm widget or fmtx_client from a terminal | 10:19 |
| kerio | or enable it and then plug the headphones in | 10:19 |
| skyscraper | i want to transmit external mono-source through fmtx - so i would plug video cable with adapter and then transmit it | 10:20 |
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| jacekowski | thing is that you can enable fmtx | 10:23 |
| jacekowski | and then plug in your cable | 10:23 |
| jacekowski | and fmtx will keep transmitting | 10:23 |
| skyscraper | where do i have to put in the modified fmtxd? | 10:23 |
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| skyscraper | hm. dont know gstreamer command anymore how do playback mic incput | 10:24 |
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| skyscraper | cant find original fmtxd bin | 10:26 |
| came1 | Does bluez-pan is implemented in maemo? | 10:26 |
| kerio | skyscraper: somewhere in sbin? | 10:27 |
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| smooph | Hello I have a problem with the media player ... As far as I know it should be able to play h.264 videos with aac, right? but the mediaplayer tells me format not supported | 10:28 |
| skyscraper | in /usr/sbin | 10:29 |
| skyscraper | @kerio | 10:29 |
| smooph | If you want to take a look at the video it's available here http://tinyurl.com/2cga7ay | 10:29 |
| skyscraper | smooph install mplayer xD | 10:30 |
| smooph | mplayer doesn't work either | 10:30 |
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| smooph | if there is somebody here who knows his way around codecs it might have something to do with "baseline 3" but I don't understand that | 10:31 |
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| skyscraper | hm my vlc is playing many videos | 10:31 |
| skyscraper | theres no gui but plays good | 10:32 |
| skyscraper | try http://www.remlab.net/files/vlc/fremantle/ | 10:33 |
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| kerio | i thought vlc was already ported | 10:33 |
| skyscraper | with gui??! | 10:33 |
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| kerio | don't think so | 10:34 |
| skyscraper | i only know the CLI version posted above | 10:34 |
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| skyscraper | so... installed modified fmtxd - now testing with headphones connect | 10:36 |
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| smooph | ok so you guys think vlc should work and i will try it but why is the standard mediaplayer not working ? | 10:37 |
| skyscraper | via fmtx desktop widget i can enable it too, while connected headphone! very nice!!! thank you. (i have no radio here to check if its work, but i'll do it later) | 10:38 |
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| skyscraper | hm | 10:41 |
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| skyscraper | audio can only routed to headset OR fmtx? right? | 10:41 |
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| crashanddie | yes | 10:42 |
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| skyscraper | why not to both? | 10:42 |
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| crashanddie | Is slashdot dead? | 10:43 |
| crashanddie | (the interface, I mean) | 10:43 |
| skyscraper | does anyone know gstreamer command to playback headset mic? forget it bcause 3 month ago it wasnt possible to fmtx mic input | 10:43 |
| crashanddie | I can't access any stories, and it doesn't recognise my cookies | 10:43 |
| mece | crashanddie, borked for me too. so yeah. | 10:44 |
| skyscraper | is this channel logged, too? | 10:44 |
| mece | skyscraper, yep | 10:44 |
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| skyscraper | where? posted the command months ago here | 10:44 |
| crashanddie | mece: ta | 10:44 |
| crashanddie | skyscraper: topic? | 10:44 |
| crashanddie | skyscraper: http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/ | 10:45 |
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| crashanddie | Khertan: encore une autre preuve que la conf est gérée par des abrutis: les prix qu'on obtient directement des hotels est plus avantageux que les prix annoncés sur meego.com | 10:46 |
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| skyscraper | f.... cant find gstreamer command anymore | 10:52 |
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| jani | anyone know if theres more suitable terminals for screen/irc use than xterm? | 10:52 |
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| SwedeMike | jani: I use rxvt-unicode myself. | 10:53 |
| SwedeMike | oh | 10:53 |
| SwedeMike | sorry, disregard | 10:53 |
| jani | for N900 if i wasnt clear enough :) | 10:54 |
| SwedeMike | yeah, I didn't look at the channel name before writing the first line | 10:54 |
| jani | :) | 10:54 |
| jani | i guess xterm would be good too but id propably need to remap some keys | 10:55 |
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| jani | any ideas if putty has been ported to maemo? | 10:55 |
| Lynoure | jani: why would you want _putty_ in maemo? | 10:56 |
| Lynoure | jani: there is ssh. | 10:56 |
| crashanddie | lol | 10:56 |
| crashanddie | jani: nice one, you've just put a big | 10:56 |
| crashanddie | "noob" sign on your head :) | 10:56 |
| mece | aaahahaha | 10:56 |
| mece | eyup | 10:56 |
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| crashanddie | djeezus... new aston martin going for 7.5 million quid | 10:57 |
| Scelt | wtf youäre talking about? | 10:57 |
| Lynoure | jani: but that's ok. Welcome to the world of real operating systems, finally! :) | 10:57 |
| jani | lol | 10:57 |
| Khertan1 | Hi | 10:57 |
| Scelt | he asked about x-term substitute, didn't talk about ssh | 10:57 |
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| DuckBoot | Scelt: Putty ain't an xterm substitute | 10:57 |
| crashanddie | Scelt: and putty is not a terminal | 10:57 |
| skyscraper | yeah saved a note do docs. command for playback mic is! | 10:57 |
| skyscraper | gst-launch autoaudiosrc ! audioconvert ! autoaudiosink | 10:58 |
| jani | its terminal emulator with sshä | 10:58 |
| mece | is there an alternative terminal btw? | 10:58 |
| Scelt | crashanddie: I know. but I'd answer the original question | 10:58 |
| jani | but for real.. last time i checked ssh didnt work wo/ terminal | 10:58 |
| DuckBoot | mece: I tried to compile some alternatives, but they aren't optimized for the display, so I went back to xterm. | 10:59 |
| skyscraper | xterm works great? | 10:59 |
| mece | it does for me.. | 10:59 |
| skyscraper | me2 | 11:00 |
| Khertan1 | +1 | 11:00 |
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| Scelt | me too but maybe not for jani | 11:00 |
| jani | ofcourse it works but meta key inputs (i mentioned screen) are pain | 11:00 |
| Scelt | jani: that's true. fn + esc + number and it fails every second time | 11:00 |
| Scelt | talking about irssi | 11:01 |
| skyscraper | i'm using apps like htop via ssh without problem - xterm is great | 11:01 |
| SwedeMike | xterm fails to properly render my alpine mail client with colours, sometimes it drops lines etc | 11:01 |
| SwedeMike | so yes, I'd also like to know a good alternative | 11:02 |
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| SwedeMike | but most of the time I just think the screen is too small to use for terminal work, it's mostly emergency situations that I end up using it | 11:02 |
| SwedeMike | normally I run a 132x50 char window for my screen, it's hard to have less rows | 11:03 |
| skyscraper | impossible with n900 xyd | 11:03 |
| skyscraper | xD | 11:03 |
| Khertan1 | you can ... with a font.size = 6 | 11:03 |
| Khertan1 | :) | 11:04 |
| Scelt | http://vala-terminal.garage.maemo.org/ | 11:04 |
| Scelt | SwedeMike and jani: ^ | 11:04 |
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| Khertan1 | it s can be readable if you output the video to a larger screen :) | 11:04 |
| kerio | Scelt: does it work on n900? | 11:04 |
| Scelt | SwedeMike and jani: sorry, next time I open the link first myself :P for N810 mainly | 11:05 |
| Scelt | kerio: dunno | 11:05 |
| Khertan1 | question ... is it possible to have a different output screen resolution on video out ? | 11:05 |
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| skyscraper | dont think so | 11:07 |
| jani | but i guess my "problems" could be solved by just adding few more keyboard shortcuts to xterms bar | 11:07 |
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| skyscraper | @khertan1 | 11:07 |
| mece | heheheh maple may on tmo is funny :D | 11:07 |
| Khertan1 | skyscraper: thx | 11:07 |
| skyscraper | Khertan1 say me when you got working xD | 11:08 |
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| crashanddie | Khertan1: nope, the only change you can make is pal or ntsc | 11:08 |
| mece | jani, well, do you need more, or can you replace what is there? | 11:08 |
| crashanddie | SwedeMike: 80 col screen? :P | 11:08 |
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| kerio | osso-xterm allows for a 79x25 screen | 11:09 |
| kerio | it's probably good enough | 11:09 |
| mece | jani, I have 7 buttons (+ ctrl and fullscreen, and arrow, which can't be removed. | 11:09 |
| kerio | and you can get to fullscreen | 11:10 |
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| kerio | gconftool-2 -s /apps/osso/xterm/toolbar -t bool "false" | 11:10 |
| skyscraper | is it possible to press f1 or f2 or stl in xtern? | 11:10 |
| kerio | skyscraper: by remapping your keyboard | 11:10 |
| kerio | sure | 11:10 |
| mece | xterm is readable at 42 rows fullscreen, if you have good eyesight. | 11:11 |
| skyscraper | and maybe modify xterm for quickkeys like tab and escape? | 11:11 |
| crashanddie | Khertan1: t'as recu mon message précédent? | 11:11 |
| kerio | why would you modify xterm | 11:11 |
| kerio | remap your keyboard | 11:11 |
| kerio | i have esc, tab, pgup/dwn, home and end on the keyboard | 11:12 |
| skyscraper | can i remap it only for xterm??! | 11:12 |
| kerio | same as most of the symbols | 11:12 |
| kerio | why would you do that | 11:12 |
| kerio | tab as fn+backspace is useful everywhere | 11:12 |
| jani | i know :) im not that noob as i was said to be. | 11:12 |
| kerio | well, not everywhere | 11:12 |
| kerio | but it's useful in microb | 11:12 |
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| skyscraper | hm i think i should better use bluetooth keyboard. but wont work very well | 11:12 |
| mece | ctrl-i is tab | 11:13 |
| kerio | mece: that, too | 11:13 |
| mece | would be nice to map fn-shift-<numbers> to F keys. | 11:14 |
| kerio | it's possible | 11:14 |
| kerio | by, you know, remapping the keyboard | 11:14 |
| kerio | :) | 11:14 |
| skyscraper | tried to pair the logitech dinovo edge of my brother with my n900 but doesnt worked | 11:14 |
| kerio | /usr/share/X11/xkb/symbols/nokia_vndr/rx51 | 11:15 |
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| kerio | hehe i just entered telnet's control character by typing ctrl+fn+shift+c | 11:15 |
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| jani | and at the office. with a proper terminal & keyboard =) | 11:17 |
| jacekowski | skyscraper: you have to enable correct profile | 11:17 |
| jacekowski | skyscraper: and it then just works | 11:17 |
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| jacekowski | skyscraper: at least i tried it with apple keyboard i bought jut for n900 | 11:17 |
| skyscraper | where to do that? | 11:17 |
| jacekowski | 11:17 | |
| skyscraper | jacekowski thank you for you fmtxd by the way!! | 11:18 |
| Jaffa | Morning, all | 11:19 |
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| crashanddie | Jaffa: morning mate | 11:20 |
| Khertan1 | morning Jaffa | 11:20 |
| skyscraper | anyone know a cheap portable bluetooth keyboard works with n900? | 11:20 |
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| Munkiii | So... instead of posting on TMO, i'll ask here. Can anyone help me on changing the image in the background of the multitasking screen ? | 11:22 |
| crashanddie | Munkiii: change the background of your desktop screen? | 11:23 |
| Khertan1 | Munkiii: it s the same as the one on your desktop | 11:23 |
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| Munkiii | well it seems i have a problem then. | 11:23 |
| Khertan1 | could depends on theme too | 11:24 |
| Munkiii | unless it's my Transitions.ini that is making it look fubared | 11:24 |
| Khertan1 | maybe | 11:24 |
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| Munkiii | *grabs transitions.ini from phone* | 11:25 |
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| mece | crashanddie, slashdot fixed. | 11:31 |
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| crashanddie | mece: yeah, noticed | 11:33 |
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| jacekowski | skyscraper: it can only be routed to one because after it leaves DAC it goes trough analog changeover switches that can only route to one or another | 11:33 |
| jacekowski | it would be nice to have multiple outputs in next phon | 11:34 |
| jacekowski | phone* | 11:34 |
| jacekowski | skyscraper: and as i said, i'm using apple keyboard, because it's metal so it will take some abuse | 11:34 |
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| mece | Munkii, where's the transitions.ini again? | 11:37 |
| mece | s/Munkii/Munkiii/ | 11:37 |
| infobot | mece meant: Munkiii, where's the transitions.ini again? | 11:37 |
| Munkiii | usr/share/hildon-desktop | 11:37 |
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| skyscraper | jacekowski thank you for that information! where can i select where it should output? when plugging in headphones it seems to be autorerouted to headphones? | 11:38 |
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| jacekowski | yes | 11:38 |
| jacekowski | it's pulseaudio doing that stuff | 11:38 |
| skyscraper | do i have to restart fmtxd after plugging in headphones? | 11:38 |
| jacekowski | i suppose restarting may work | 11:39 |
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| skyscraper | jacekowski do you tested playing mic input via fmtx? | 11:40 |
| jacekowski | no | 11:40 |
| skyscraper | and tested phoning via fmtx? | 11:40 |
| jacekowski | that's disabled | 11:40 |
| skyscraper | its impossible? | 11:40 |
| jacekowski | call-ui disables fmtx when calling | 11:40 |
| skyscraper | not "hackable"? | 11:41 |
| jacekowski | possible but you would have to modify software | 11:41 |
| jacekowski | well, if you know arm assembly | 11:41 |
| jacekowski | then it's hackable | 11:41 |
| skyscraper | no, i dont. but you disassembled fmtxd, too? | 11:41 |
| Munkiii | What is this Maemo 5 Update i'm being told of by auto-updater? something to do with multiboot and NITDroid... | 11:42 |
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| Munkiii | will it affect my current Titan OC + NITDroid multiboot? | 11:43 |
| skyscraper | hm there is no new maemo update for me | 11:44 |
| Munkiii | Maemo 5 PR1.2 kernel for multiboot | 11:44 |
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| jacekowski | it's probably new titan kernel | 11:45 |
| jacekowski | iirc | 11:45 |
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| skyscraper | lol looks nice: http://cgi.ebay.de/Neu-Silikon-Bluetooth-Mini-Tastatur-deutsche-Version-/250667440986?pt=Handy_Zubeh%C3%B6r | 11:49 |
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| jacekowski | extremly unconfortable | 11:51 |
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| jacekowski | it's hard for me to say that | 11:51 |
| jacekowski | but apple wireless keyboard seems to be the best for that | 11:51 |
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| ToJa92 | [skyscraper]: Silikon = pretty useless | 11:52 |
| ToJa92 | easier to carry though | 11:52 |
| skyscraper | i dont have so much money at this time... i'm searching very cheap.... maybe iGo stowaway keyboard | 11:53 |
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| ToJa92 | I've got a small HTPC keyboard so if usb hostmode will ever work I could use that :) | 11:53 |
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| skyscraper | usb otg wont work atm | 11:54 |
| lcuk | \o morning | 11:54 |
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| jacekowski | skyscraper: usb host mode is working | 12:00 |
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| skyscraper | jacekowski HOW??? oO | 12:00 |
| skyscraper | seen some pics working with externally powered usb hub | 12:01 |
| jacekowski | n900 can supply 200mA | 12:02 |
| skyscraper | where is a manual for that? works keyboard too?? | 12:02 |
| jacekowski | http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_USB_Host | 12:02 |
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| smooph | hi I installed vlc and tried playing the video ... it does work but it's unwatchable ... I have no frames at all ... just the one picture | 12:03 |
| smooph | no video | 12:03 |
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| jacekowski | yes | 12:03 |
| razr | check ur device | 12:04 |
| jacekowski | because it's not using neon/dsp | 12:04 |
| jacekowski | and video decoding in arm core is slow | 12:04 |
| skyscraper | i dont think that ill get usb otg working | 12:04 |
| jacekowski | yeah, otg is not going to work | 12:05 |
| smooph | ok what can i do ... the standard mediaplayer doesnt play the "tageschau" german news-podcast | 12:05 |
| jacekowski | smooph: nothing | 12:05 |
| skyscraper | looks very complicated | 12:05 |
| jacekowski | smooph: they are using not supported codec | 12:05 |
| smooph | they use h.264 aac which is supported at least thats what it says on my box | 12:05 |
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| jacekowski | no it's not | 12:06 |
| jacekowski | only one profile is supported | 12:06 |
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| jacekowski | and they are probably using the unsupported one | 12:06 |
| smooph | http://maemo.nokia.com/n900/specifications/ | 12:07 |
| smooph | is that the "baseline 3" problem ... i have no clue what i am talking about but this is what i read in the forums | 12:07 |
| jacekowski | there are different profiles of h264 | 12:07 |
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| jacekowski | and only one has fully supported codec using neon/dsp | 12:08 |
| jacekowski | all other profiles are using arm core and arm core isn't fast enough | 12:08 |
| smooph | so when is this going to change ? | 12:08 |
| smooph | it really sucks I can't watch any of my podcasts | 12:09 |
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| jacekowski | it's probably not going to change | 12:09 |
| razr | maybe you can convert the video to support the playback | 12:09 |
| lcuk | WTF xchat, where has your menu gone | 12:09 |
| jacekowski | no | 12:09 |
| smooph | is this a technical problem or are there not enough developer? | 12:10 |
| razr | using handbrake or something else | 12:10 |
| lcuk | \@/ xchat menu bar can be unhidden with f9 key | 12:10 |
| ZogG | damn amazing - the prototype of sun for touchscreen device in '92 www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ahg8OBYixL0 | 12:11 |
| jacekowski | smooph: not enough developers that care | 12:11 |
| smooph | razr: yes i could do that I know but I'd really hate to download the video to my pc convert it and then put it on my device ... | 12:11 |
| jacekowski | smooph: xvid is the most popular codec and that's fully supported | 12:11 |
| jacekowski | smooph: well, you can download it to your phone | 12:11 |
| jacekowski | smooph: convert on phone | 12:11 |
| smooph | how ? | 12:12 |
| jacekowski | but conversion will take some time | 12:12 |
| jacekowski | mencoder | 12:12 |
| jacekowski | but there is no acceleration of that at all | 12:12 |
| razr | and make sure ur device is not overclocked or it may smoke :P | 12:12 |
| smooph | you mean memcoder form easydebian ? | 12:12 |
| jacekowski | so it will probably take at least 5 minutes to convert 1 minute of video | 12:12 |
| jacekowski | mencoder from extras | 12:12 |
| smooph | kk | 12:13 |
| smooph | not overclocked at least I didn't | 12:13 |
| smooph | well this might make it a little easier but I really hope that vlc developer will fix this and include the codec format | 12:14 |
| smooph | I should start voting for my bugs | 12:14 |
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| jacekowski | i doubt that | 12:17 |
| jacekowski | it's a lot of work | 12:17 |
| jacekowski | and not a lot of profit | 12:17 |
| jacekowski | there are more important things | 12:17 |
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| Khertan1 | hum .. i ve think i ve found a good way to learn to pronounce the word awesome, incredible, great, easy and amazing in 110s : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nx7v815bYUw | 12:25 |
| Khertan1 | s/word/words | 12:26 |
| kerio | lcuk: also ctrl+enter | 12:26 |
| kerio | i want usb host btw | 12:26 |
| kerio | also jacekowski: why don't you make a fmtx-patch package? | 12:26 |
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| lcuk | kerio, thanks | 12:28 |
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| skyscraper | is there an app to modify screen brightness in relation to luxus sensor? automatic screen brightness adjustment knows only bright and dark, i think | 12:31 |
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| skyscraper | ping | 12:32 |
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| skyscraper | hm. need an nice irc app for n900. webchat sucks. | 12:34 |
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| Surfa | xchat? | 12:36 |
| Surfa | irssi? | 12:36 |
| lcuk | skyscraper, Surfa is correct - lots of people use xchat | 12:36 |
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| ToJa92 | [skyscraper]: I think irssi is great, but xchat is probably easier | 12:37 |
| skyscraper | ok. will check it in a moment. in windows im using mirc | 12:37 |
| Khertan1 | Jaffa: did you know if other apps depends on python-twitter ? | 12:37 |
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| X-Fade | Khertan1: hermes, witter, cservices, barriosquare, khweeteur | 12:40 |
| wazd | I seriously can't understand maemo.org news rank system, but whatever | 12:40 |
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| romen | I'm experiencing a strange problem... telepathy has just decided that the last account in my list of voip/im accounts need to have a "Network error"... I ahd the problem with the bonjour one (the last I added), then one day I removed it and it started to affect my skype account, I just remove my skype account (to recreate it, hoping it solved the problem) and now my MSN account is flagged as "network error" and it was running just fine a | 12:44 |
| romen | few minutes ago, without any change at its configuration.......... | 12:44 |
| romen | how can I further debug it? | 12:44 |
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| achipa | wazd: which part ? it's suffering from feedback loop reinforcement, but other than that it's pretty understandable... I guess | 12:45 |
| romen | the problem started one day apparently out of nowhere, no updates or new packages installed that day (at least that I can remember) | 12:45 |
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| wazd | achipa: well, my post was immediately gone from the main page with 11/1 | 12:49 |
| wazd | achipa: it's not a big deal at all, but still pretty weird | 12:50 |
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| achipa | wazd: how old was the article ? | 12:51 |
| romen | is there some place where a meaningful log my be read to understand what does "network error" mean? | 12:51 |
| achipa | wazd: (it has this sqrt or 1/n expiry thing) | 12:51 |
| wazd | achipa: I've posted it yesterday | 12:51 |
| Khertan1 | Thx X-Fade ... i ll try locally before as i think there is an api break between the 0.6 and the 0.8 | 12:52 |
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| achipa | wazd: in that case, weird indeed.. could it be that one down means that much ? | 12:54 |
| achipa | wazd: (I can see a 6/0 which is older than your article being higher) | 12:55 |
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| wazd | achipa: not a big deal anyway :) | 12:58 |
| wazd | achipa: I was just a bit surprised :) | 12:58 |
| achipa | wazd: yeah, happened to me too a few times. Though in the last 2-3 days we had a lot of articles so a lot of movement... | 12:59 |
| X-Fade | Also gets karma from external sources like digg and technorati etc. | 12:59 |
| lcuk | DocScrutinizer, your observations about cpu use in XScreensaver.. | 12:59 |
| lcuk | community have been building up the wiki page about specific live backgrounds in xscreensavers | 12:59 |
| lcuk | http://wiki.maemo.org/Xscreensaver | 12:59 |
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| Arkenoi | ~20Mb free left on /. I bet OTA update to next firmware won't pass. | 13:01 |
| lcuk | Arkenoi, and my car only first 5 people in | 13:02 |
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| lcuk | only fits 5 people in | 13:02 |
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| Jaffa | Khertan1: We need rdepends in maemo.org/packages. I *think* I saw one, but I dunno | 13:09 |
| Khertan1 | rdepends ? | 13:10 |
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| X-Fade | Jaffa: I have the beginnings of rdepends in there now, but it doesn't do unique now. And also isn't doing nesting yet. | 13:12 |
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| Jaffa | X-Fade: Khertan1: http://bit.ly/b7cCZN | 13:13 |
| X-Fade | Jaffa: Now make sure it is showing uniques ;) | 13:14 |
| Jaffa | Khertan1: Looks like Witter is/has been using python-twitter, as well as Casual Services, barriosquare, | 13:14 |
| Jaffa | X-Fade: Used by brain for that and went up to page 10 :-) | 13:14 |
| X-Fade | Jaffa: lol ;) | 13:14 |
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| Jaffa | s/by/my/ | 13:15 |
| infobot | Jaffa meant: X-Fade: Used my brain for that and went up to page 10 :-) | 13:15 |
| Khertan1 | :) | 13:16 |
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| X-Fade | Jaffa: http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_armel/python-twitter/0.6-maemo1/ | 13:19 |
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| Khertan1 | the version 0.8 break the api ... now it s require oauth token | 13:19 |
| Khertan1 | username/pass isn't enough | 13:19 |
| MohammadAG51 | twitter switched to oauth | 13:20 |
| Khertan1 | yep | 13:23 |
| Khertan1 | but the old login/pass is still used | 13:24 |
| Khertan1 | and so they should keep it | 13:24 |
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| Khertan1 | so how to do ... ? as the new api in 0.8 of python-twitter break the compatibility ? | 13:37 |
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| Khertan1 | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=60574 < any alternative to QFontDialog for fremantle ? | 13:43 |
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| alterego | Khertan1: maemo extras | 13:47 |
| alterego | There's some Qt wrapped Gtk widgets somewhere that have font selector. | 13:47 |
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| alterego | hildon extras, that's what I meant :) | 13:49 |
| alterego | Khertan1: http://wiki.maemo.org/Hildon-Extras | 13:49 |
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| skyscraper | back later or tomorrow | 13:58 |
| skyscraper | bb | 13:58 |
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| Jaffa | Khertan1: Patch (driven upstream where possible) to reintroduce user/pass? | 13:58 |
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| Jaffa | X-Fade: Nice. Box needs larger height. | 14:00 |
| alterego | Who's dist master now then? | 14:00 |
| Jaffa | alterego: There isn't one. | 14:00 |
| alterego | NOOOOOOO! | 14:00 |
| X-Fade | Jaffa: Yeah, needs css change. | 14:00 |
| Jaffa | alterego: Council is talking to Nokia about it. | 14:00 |
| alterego | What will we do?!?! | 14:00 |
| alterego | Erm, | 14:00 |
| timeless | what did you do before? | 14:01 |
| DuckBoot | alterego: Jump ship | 14:01 |
| alterego | What exactly did the dist-master/StsKeeps do? :) | 14:01 |
| lcuk | there wasnt one before and we coped happily, though someone to poke about a bit is wise | 14:01 |
| alterego | I thought it was X-Fade's job :P | 14:01 |
| Jaffa | timeless: Have noone owning the Hacker Editions; which meant they were useless and no-one was managing patches/releases. | 14:01 |
| timeless | alterego: get yelled at once in a while | 14:01 |
| alterego | Heh | 14:01 |
| alterego | Where do I apply?! :D | 14:01 |
| Jaffa | lcuk: distmaster would be useful for managing Maemo 5 Community SSU and MeeGo-Harmattan HE | 14:01 |
| lcuk | jaffa :) thats integration and not distmastery ;) :P | 14:01 |
| * alterego chuckles | 14:01 | |
| Jaffa | lcuk: Fell under the distmaster job description ;-) | 14:02 |
| timeless | alterego; i'll yell at you for free here, if you like | 14:02 |
| lcuk | indeed jaffa | 14:02 |
| alterego | Well, I can't help but agree with Stskeeps' sentiments on MeeGo being the future for the NITs' | 14:02 |
| alterego | I don't think the SSU or HE will happen .. | 14:03 |
| alterego | Or take off and get the love it needs. | 14:03 |
| lcuk | ssu and HE arent needed at this time | 14:04 |
| lcuk | though as you rightfully say, meego is the new hacker edition | 14:04 |
| alterego | Agreed, that will change the minute the Harmatten device comes out | 14:04 |
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| Stskeeps | just get someone who'll work to get harmattan bits on meego(.com) and work on the meego.com based nokia release to have it maintained for n900 too | 14:04 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 14:05 |
| alterego | Besides, I like the idea of the community jumping ahead of Nokia on this one for a change ;) | 14:05 |
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| alterego | This is how I've been thinking for a while though, and Stskeeps just managed to say it much more elequently in that infuriating thread of abill's :) | 14:06 |
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| alterego | I don't quite get it, I said the same things, in shorter posts, Stskeeps comes up with a essay describing it all, and he finally seems to understand what we've all been telling him. | 14:07 |
| alterego | I swear the guy just doesn't listen to me. | 14:07 |
| Stskeeps | he=abill, i assume? | 14:08 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 14:08 |
| smooph | Hi everybody is there something like a collection off repositories that can be used with the n900 | 14:08 |
| alterego | Indeed. | 14:08 |
| alterego | smooph: there are repositories all over the place :P | 14:08 |
| smooph | off -f | 14:08 |
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| lcuk | problem is alterego many developers have 1 N900 and cannot do destructive or intensive testing of Meego at the moment, even wit hthe boot to alternative OS scenario - they lose their phone function etc. so suggestions around making the meego packages usable in maemo is a good half way house because it will let devs test andbuild and learn how to do t properly | 14:08 |
| smooph | I know thats why I am asking for a collection o.O | 14:08 |
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| alterego | lcuk: I know, I'm one of them, if I had another N900 I'd be a lot more proactive in the MeeGo world :( | 14:09 |
| lcuk | ++ | 14:10 |
| alterego | smooph: there used to be a wiki page that had a list of 'em. | 14:10 |
| smooph | do you think we could start a new one if that page doesn't exist anymore | 14:11 |
| smooph | it's kind of sad that I only half the apps available for my phone | 14:11 |
| alterego | smooph: all the apps worth having are in extras | 14:11 |
| alterego | If you're brave then extras-testing and if you're _really_ brave and know what you're doing extras-devel | 14:12 |
| smooph | firefox, vlc ? | 14:12 |
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| alterego | vlc have their own, firefox should be in extras-devel I believe. | 14:12 |
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| kerio | lcuk: well, the n900 will run harmattan eventually | 14:14 |
| kerio | with the meego ui | 14:14 |
| lcuk | :) | 14:14 |
| kerio | so there you go, meego packages on maemo | 14:14 |
| kerio | ooh, queen beecon update, forgot i had that installed | 14:15 |
| kerio | neat things you can do with it? | 14:15 |
| alterego | MeeGo packages on Maemo | 14:15 |
| alterego | Seems a bit backwards :) | 14:15 |
| alterego | On the otherhand, I guess we can't do that opposite :D | 14:16 |
| lcuk | why not? for people iwth the skills that would be feasible? | 14:17 |
| lcuk | community hildon etc - gtk is already there | 14:17 |
| alterego | lcuk: toolkits sure, apps, not likely :P | 14:18 |
| alterego | I am of course refering to the closed aspects of Maemo | 14:18 |
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| lcuk | even closed apps have source somewhere. and if the support libs (which are open, as I say hildon*) then who says when a HE is polled internally interested people won't just recompile :P | 14:19 |
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| * lcuk gets back to this packaging thing anyway, its a pita | 14:19 | |
| kerio | how's jrbme going, btw? | 14:20 |
| zash | lcuk: should programs written directly in machine code be considerd closed or open? :| | 14:20 |
| alterego | Heh | 14:20 |
| alterego | open if they're documented :) | 14:20 |
| misc--- | hello... when you slide your finger on the screen, it moves the screen to the left or right, is there any way to adjust the sensitivity? (you have to slide your finger half way across the screen for it to change desktops but I just want to shorten that slide) | 14:20 |
| kerio | zash: depends | 14:20 |
| kerio | the programmer should be shot though | 14:20 |
| kerio | to put him out of his misery | 14:21 |
| jacekowski | why? | 14:21 |
| jacekowski | hmm | 14:21 |
| jacekowski | nvm | 14:21 |
| jacekowski | machine code | 14:21 |
| jacekowski | i code quite often directly in machine code | 14:21 |
| kerio | assembly is somewhat better | 14:21 |
| jacekowski | not whole programs | 14:21 |
| jacekowski | but patches | 14:22 |
| kerio | http://images.encyclopediadramatica.com/images/d/dd/MachineCode_from_batman.jpg | 14:22 |
| kerio | (mildly nsfw) | 14:22 |
| zash | kerio: that image is made of win! | 14:22 |
| kerio | anyway, cool things to do with queen beecon? | 14:23 |
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| dcat_ | ?DCC SEND "startkeylogger" 0 0 0 | 14:24 |
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| kerio | dcat_: funny | 14:24 |
| dcat_ | ?DCC CHAT CALM_INTERNET_CHATTING_NOTHING_ELSE | 14:24 |
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| kerio | hahahaha | 14:24 |
| dcat_ | thx | 14:24 |
| kerio | what client is he using? | 14:25 |
| dcat_ | mirssi | 14:25 |
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| jo-erlend | is it possible to flip the screen on n900? It really annoys me that the usb plug is at the top of the phone when I'm talking on the phone. It would be nice if I could just flip the screen when it's in portrait mode. | 14:32 |
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| jacekowski | ekhm | 14:33 |
| lcuk | jo-erlend, wouldnt that cause a problem for the mic? | 14:33 |
| jacekowski | and speaker | 14:33 |
| jo-erlend | ah.. I didn't consider that. :) | 14:33 |
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| jacekowski | don't worry | 14:33 |
| jo-erlend | damn... Nice catch. :) | 14:34 |
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| jacekowski | somebody has to have iq lower than 100 | 14:34 |
| jacekowski | so average is still the same | 14:34 |
| jo-erlend | hehe, it's actually not too bad. :) | 14:34 |
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| Noobmonk3y | lol MohammadAG51 loving the trouting via pm! | 14:43 |
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| Ebzzry | What is a decent reminder app for fremantle with alarms? | 14:44 |
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| alterego | Makes you wonder, why they bothered to add touch support to S40 considering they're removing it. | 14:45 |
| Wolfie | Ebzzry: the calendar? | 14:45 |
| merlin1991 | I'm currently setting up a new scratchbox environment, since I broke my last one up to a point where I can't fix it anymore, so my question is there an easy way to create some sort of backup of the scratchbox to revert to when I broke it again? | 14:45 |
| Wolfie | merlin1991: how about installing linux into a virtual image? | 14:46 |
| Wolfie | like virtualbox | 14:46 |
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| merlin1991 | I got slight performance problems doing that on my hardware :/ | 14:47 |
| Wolfie | oh | 14:47 |
| DuckBoot | merlin1991: Nighlty filesystem-backup? | 14:48 |
| merlin1991 | do I need to back up only the /scratchbox folder, or is some other stuff in use too? | 14:49 |
| DuckBoot | merlin1991: tar czf <path> <file>.tar.gz | 14:49 |
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| Ebzzry | Wolfie: But I can only set an alarm the day before, not the day itself. | 14:49 |
| DuckBoot | I think it is enough to backup the folder | 14:49 |
| Ebzzry | Wolfie: I'm looking for something like the Reminders app, reminiscent of older Nokia phones. | 14:50 |
| jacekowski | Ebzzry: calendar | 14:53 |
| jacekowski | Ebzzry: add new event and it will remind you about it | 14:53 |
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| mece | lcuk, ping | 14:56 |
| lcuk | hey mece | 14:56 |
| mece | lcuk, did you ever come up with a top 5? | 14:57 |
| lcuk | mece, a load of people did! | 14:57 |
| lcuk | http://twitter.com/#search?q=%23maemotop5 | 14:57 |
| lcuk | its growing nicely | 14:57 |
| lcuk | it would be great to have input from as many as possible on twitter | 14:58 |
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| mece | okok.. tweeting mine in a bit. | 14:58 |
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| Ebzzry | jacekowski: What are the alarm settings for this new event? | 15:06 |
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| jacekowski | you have to set them as well | 15:07 |
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| jacekowski | whatever you define | 15:07 |
| Ebzzry | jacekowski: There are only two alarm settings available: none and day before. | 15:07 |
| jacekowski | i have more options | 15:09 |
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| Ebzzry | I only have two. | 15:13 |
| mece | lcuk, are you doing some sort of ranking thing based on the tweets? | 15:14 |
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| Ebzzry | I added a Task, instead of an Event. | 15:16 |
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| lcuk | mece, just curiosity and will do some tallies later | 15:22 |
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| mece | lcuk, looking forward to it. | 15:23 |
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| lcuk | mece nice of you to include a specific list of built in apps on #maemotop5 hashtag :) | 15:24 |
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| crashanddie | lcuk: are twittering strongly now? | 15:31 |
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| lcuk | i dunno crashanddie have a look, I am pythoning | 15:32 |
| lcuk | and tweet your own :P | 15:32 |
| crashanddie | i don't see the point | 15:33 |
| SpeedEvil | http://twattering.co.uk/ | 15:33 |
| * lcuk renames crashanddie marvintheparanoidandroide | 15:33 | |
| lcuk | -e | 15:34 |
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| marvintheparanoi | damn | 15:35 |
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| Jaffa | When (hmm, if?) I get an Android device, it's Bluetooth name will have to be "Marvin" :) | 15:37 |
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| sig^ | ooh, you just might be the first person to do that... | 15:37 |
| crashanddie | Remarkably interesting that your first choice of words was "when", rather than "if". | 15:38 |
| X-Fade | Jaffa: I thought it would have been "Paranoid" :) | 15:38 |
| Jaffa | sig^: Shock | 15:38 |
| Jaffa | crashanddie: Indeed. | 15:38 |
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| ag0ny | Is there a possibility to disable that the program manager checks for new updates as soon as I go online? | 15:43 |
| user | hello | 15:43 |
| user | is there a way to charge the n900 through a common cable? | 15:44 |
| user | not the propitary nokia one... | 15:44 |
| timeless | um | 15:44 |
| X-Fade | user: Any microusb cable? | 15:45 |
| timeless | any standard micro usb cable that offers power works... | 15:45 |
| anidel | Jaffa: Marvin's a good name for an android device :) | 15:45 |
| timeless | including the micro usb to usb cable that you use w/ your computer | 15:45 |
| X-Fade | user: As long as it provides > 250 mAh. | 15:45 |
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| user | X-Fade: is that the most common type of small usb cable? | 15:45 |
| timeless | (that was included in the box) | 15:45 |
| X-Fade | user: no, that is mini usb. | 15:46 |
| anidel | btw this reminds me that in a month I'll have to return my loaned pre-prod device :( | 15:46 |
| timeless | anidel: did you get good use from it? | 15:46 |
| user | ive got one for a canon camera and ps3 controller | 15:46 |
| X-Fade | user: That is mini usb, you need micro usb. | 15:46 |
| user | ahh | 15:46 |
| timeless | user: please understand that what nokia ships isn't non-standard | 15:47 |
| anidel | timeless: without it there would be no Xournal for Fremantle... yes I did get very good use of it | 15:47 |
| timeless | the wonderful thing about standards is that there are so many to choose from | 15:47 |
| timeless | microusb is the future | 15:47 |
| user | what kind of devices uses that? | 15:47 |
| timeless | miniusb was the past | 15:47 |
| X-Fade | blackberry, htc | 15:47 |
| alterego | miniusb had a rather short life though .. | 15:47 |
| alterego | N95 :) | 15:47 |
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| user | htc supports miniusb | 15:48 |
| timeless | user: not on future devices, i presume | 15:48 |
| kerio | timeless: my microusb port is broken :( | 15:48 |
| SwedeMike | "all" new devices will be microusb | 15:48 |
| X-Fade | user: http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.35005 | 15:49 |
| kerio | my future device will have a nuclear fusion battery | 15:49 |
| user | htc hero can use both? | 15:49 |
| kerio | and will only use wireless transfer | 15:49 |
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| anidel | all future device sold in EU will have to have a MicroUSB to charge | 15:49 |
| Surfa | microusb is manufacturer independend "standard" in the future | 15:49 |
| Surfa | it's accepted by all major manufacturers | 15:49 |
| SwedeMike | china, EU and US has all mandated micro usb as the new charger standard. | 15:49 |
| timeless | user: the htc hd2 for instance is microusb, afaict | 15:50 |
| SwedeMike | http://www.eetimes.com/design/other/4016269/How-to-conform-to-China-s-new-mobile-phone-interface-standards china was first | 15:50 |
| timeless | http://www.htc.com/europe/product/hd2/specification.html | 15:50 |
| SwedeMike | http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2010/08/europe-univeral-phone-charger/ | 15:50 |
| timeless | swedemike: no one cares about china ;-) | 15:50 |
| user | but I dont have one | 15:50 |
| alterego | lcuk: ping | 15:50 |
| timeless | user: you can buy one | 15:51 |
| timeless | or don't lose the two that you got in the package | 15:51 |
| SwedeMike | timeless: right. | 15:51 |
| user | And my N900 eats the battery faaaaast | 15:51 |
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| user | They are at home... Im not | 15:51 |
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| user | I need an improvised way to do this... | 15:52 |
| timeless | user: any tech store will sell them | 15:52 |
| timeless | any tech friend should have one | 15:52 |
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| timeless | next time, don't travel w/o a charger | 15:52 |
| timeless | it's kinda stupid | 15:52 |
| timeless | it'd be like me taking my expensive Camera on a 1 month trip w/o a charger | 15:52 |
| timeless | can you imagine me being stupid enough to do that? | 15:53 |
| user | I was only awat for 8 houres | 15:53 |
| SwedeMike | http://cgi.ebay.com/CAR-HOME-CHARGER-USB-CABLE-fr-NOKIA-N85-N900-8800-ARTE-/150479956446?pt=PDA_Accessories is kind of nice, even though the cables are not very high quality, but they work and are great for spares. | 15:53 |
| user | and wont be home for another few | 15:53 |
| timeless | well,... | 15:54 |
| timeless | i'm pretty sure the n900 will get at least 8 hours idle | 15:54 |
| timeless | i presume you weren't idling your n900/ | 15:55 |
| Corsac | SwedeMike: and if they're dumb cables they won't charge :) | 15:55 |
| user | Nope | 15:55 |
| Corsac | idle and with no data connection, or idle with data connection? | 15:55 |
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| user | It was expemcive, I need to use it for it to be worth. | 15:55 |
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| n900-space | hey guys | 15:56 |
| timeless | user: the usb to usb cable included in the package is fairly light | 15:56 |
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| timeless | you can also probably find shorter usb to usb cables in stores | 15:56 |
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| n900-space | when ppl say MeeGo OBS, what does OBS stand for ? | 15:56 |
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| timeless | carry one of those with you in the future | 15:57 |
| timeless | infobot obs? | 15:57 |
| timeless | !obs | 15:57 |
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| Corsac | ~obs | 15:57 |
| Malin_ | Hi. I have recently bought a N900 and wonder how I can connect it to my LAN so I can transfer files without using a usb-cable | 15:57 |
| Corsac | :( | 15:57 |
| * timeless kicks infobot | 15:57 | |
| Corsac | Malin_: wireless router? | 15:57 |
| X-Fade | ~obs is opensuse build service | 15:57 |
| infobot | X-Fade: okay | 15:57 |
| n900-space | whats obs ? | 15:57 |
| n900-space | oh | 15:58 |
| n900-space | ok | 15:58 |
| n900-space | thanks | 15:58 |
| ag0ny | Is there a possibility to disable that the program manager checks for new updates as soon as I go online? | 15:58 |
| X-Fade | It is a fancy autobuilder ;) | 15:58 |
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| Brik | Malin_: install openssh, get it online on wireless, ssh to it like any other linux machine | 15:58 |
| timeless | n900-space: http://www.lmgtfy.com/?q=meego+obs | 15:58 |
| X-Fade | Really cool features. | 15:58 |
| Corsac | ag0ny: yeah, there's a gconf key afair, maybe look in the wiki or tmo for the correct key and way to change it | 15:59 |
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| ag0ny | Corsac: maemo.org wiki you mean? | 15:59 |
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| n900-space | thanks timeless | 16:01 |
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| Malin_ | Brik, I know, I did yesterday, but I want to copy files from my server to my N900 | 16:02 |
| Malin_ | from my server | 16:02 |
| Brik | Malin_: oh.. | 16:02 |
| Malin_ | maybe it could be done via terminal, but was looking for a more gui-way to do it | 16:02 |
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| ieatlint | Malin_: grsync | 16:02 |
| Corsac | ag0ny: yes | 16:03 |
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| lcuk | Malin_, scp | 16:03 |
| ieatlint | gui, can copy over ssh from the server | 16:03 |
| lcuk | and it integrates in linuxand windows (with things like winscp) | 16:03 |
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| Malin_ | okey, thanx, Will try it :) | 16:05 |
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| gtklocker | guys do you know if there's maemo running on neo freerunner? | 16:11 |
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| TermanaN900 | pfft | 16:12 |
| TermanaN900 | there isnt | 16:12 |
| ieatlint | haha | 16:12 |
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| ieatlint | even if there were, it'd be so slow... | 16:12 |
| gtklocker | so the only solution for me 'd be a used n900? | 16:13 |
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| ieatlint | yeah, if you want a phone with maemo... otherwise you can wait for meego devices | 16:14 |
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| Po0ky | e/w 19 | 16:17 |
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| MohammadAG | umm | 16:23 |
| MohammadAG | anyone on PR1.2 | 16:24 |
| MohammadAG | dpkg -l hildon-desktop | 16:24 |
| MohammadAG | need the version number | 16:24 |
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| DuckBoot | ii hildon-desktop 1:2.2.138-1+0m Hildon desktop for Fremantle | 16:24 |
| crashanddie | MohammadAG: 2.2.138-1+0m | 16:24 |
| MohammadAG | hmm | 16:24 |
| MohammadAG | surely it's +0m5 | 16:24 |
| MohammadAG | DuckBoot, sure it's not cut out? (zoom out) | 16:25 |
| MohammadAG | crashanddie, it starts with 1: :) | 16:25 |
| DuckBoot | MohammadAG: Sorry - you're right | 16:25 |
| DuckBoot | ii hildon-desktop 1:2.2.138-1+0m5 Hildon desktop for Fremantle | 16:25 |
| crashanddie | there's no m5 | 16:25 |
| MohammadAG | thanks | 16:25 |
| crashanddie | well, in the default view | 16:25 |
| MohammadAG | crashanddie, zoom out | 16:26 |
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| MohammadAG | crashanddie, DuckBoot ty http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=790504#post790504 | 16:42 |
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| crashanddie | MohammadAG51: we didn't even get mentionned for our amazing help? | 17:07 |
| crashanddie | bastard | 17:07 |
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| MohammadAG | LOL | 17:07 |
| achipa | X-Fade: if repository management cleans up a package... why is it still in the Packages file ? | 17:10 |
| MohammadAG | lol | 17:10 |
| X-Fade | achipa: Because the repo lags. | 17:12 |
| achipa | errm... how many months ? | 17:12 |
| achipa | X-Fade: http://maemo.org/packages/view/quickbrownfox/ | 17:12 |
| X-Fade | achipa: hehe, well a hour or so, should not be more. | 17:12 |
| crashanddie | achipa: it's holland, count a few years before they're done smoking weed | 17:12 |
| jacekowski | about 1/744th of month | 17:13 |
| X-Fade | achipa: otherwise the cleaning didn't happen correcly. | 17:13 |
| achipa | X-Fade: the version from february is still in there | 17:13 |
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| achipa | X-Fade: even though it claims to have been cleaned in April | 17:13 |
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| X-Fade | achipa: Which repo? | 17:14 |
| achipa | X-Fade: extras | 17:14 |
| X-Fade | Ah crap. fremantle-1.2 induced pain. | 17:15 |
| achipa | X-Fade: frematle-1.2 | 17:15 |
| achipa | exactly | 17:15 |
| achipa | (oops) | 17:15 |
| X-Fade | Doesn't delete there at all it seems. Nice. | 17:15 |
| achipa | might be other packages, too, this one just occured to me as it's mine | 17:15 |
| achipa | well, at least that means HAM will get quicker... right ? :P | 17:16 |
| X-Fade | No, should happen for every package then. | 17:16 |
| aep | anyone got ESD for maemo5 somewhere? | 17:16 |
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| X-Fade | A bit, yes. | 17:16 |
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| achipa | for a moment that read like LSD for maemo5. I blame crashanndie. | 17:17 |
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| MohammadAG | achipa, who doesn't | 17:18 |
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| * MohammadAG blames crashanddie for stuttering audio | 17:19 | |
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| crashanddie | good grief, you're making my computer go "tuut" for this shit? | 17:21 |
| crashanddie | now I have to pretend with a serious face that it's important (I'm in a meeting) | 17:21 |
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| * MohammadAG is thinking of highlighting crash and die for the lulz | 17:25 | |
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| * crashanddie readies the banhammer | 17:25 | |
| MohammadAG | you wouldn't dare | 17:26 |
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| kerio | ban! ban! ban! | 17:37 |
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| odin_ | ha ha nokia! "You're one step away from opening your Nokia account, please open this link: https://account.nokia.com/acct/v?id=........." but.. when you click the link has already expired and I need to reentre my mobile number | 17:38 |
| luke-jr | why highlight crashanddie? O.o | 17:38 |
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| * luke-jr doesn't get it. | 17:39 | |
| MohammadAG | he's in a meeting, pinging him dings xchat | 17:39 |
| luke-jr | lol what? | 17:39 |
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| luke-jr | who gets audible alerts from IRC? | 17:39 |
| luke-jr | that seems like insanity IMO | 17:39 |
| MohammadAG | apparently he does | 17:39 |
| MohammadAG | my point stands <MohammadAG> you wouldn't dare | 17:39 |
| luke-jr | on another note, I never noticed his name split to 'crash and die' | 17:40 |
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| MohammadAG | LOL | 17:40 |
| luke-jr | I read it as 'crash haddie' | 17:40 |
| odin_ | another Ovi store usability glitch huh... maybe best to stick with making devices and not online services | 17:40 |
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| MohammadAG | first time I saw it I thought it was crash handle | 17:40 |
| MohammadAG | idk why | 17:40 |
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| Shapeshifter | X-Fade: ping | 17:41 |
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| luke-jr | so do you think crashanddle will be able to keep his serious expression reading all this? | 17:42 |
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| crashanddie | yeah, no sweat | 17:43 |
| luke-jr | XD | 17:43 |
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| crashanddie | though, mo, I implied I'd ban you if you kept HLing me | 17:44 |
| luke-jr | sudo make me a sandwich | 17:44 |
| kerio | what do you mean, you type crashanddie and his laptop makes a sound? | 17:45 |
| merlin1991 | luke-jr http://xkcd.com/149/ | 17:45 |
| luke-jr | lol | 17:45 |
| odin_ | is crashanddie still waving his dick around I see | 17:45 |
| luke-jr | merlin1991: no crap | 17:45 |
| crashanddie | kerio: I muted hours around | 17:45 |
| kerio | oh :( | 17:45 |
| crashanddie | odin_: I'm sorry? | 17:45 |
| kerio | er, :) | 17:45 |
| crashanddie | around<->ago | 17:45 |
| MohammadAG | crashanddie, you wouldn't ban me if I came to france and... | 17:45 |
| kerio | ban! ban! ban! | 17:46 |
| crashanddie | nope, you're a terrorist, you're already banned | 17:46 |
| crashanddie | odin_: may I suggest you don't say things like that again? | 17:46 |
| MohammadAG | oh am I? | 17:46 |
| tybollt | crashanddie: oh sod it, mohammad's a nice terrist, we lubz him! | 17:46 |
| * MohammadAG also suggests that, I'm just fucking around | 17:46 | |
| crashanddie | MohammadAG: sure, me too, I luvz u | 17:47 |
| MohammadAG | we lub you too tybollt | 17:47 |
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| MohammadAG51 | oh this shit doesn't work, FOR FUCK'S SAKE | 17:49 |
| crashanddie | odin_: also, next time, at least have the guts to step up when confronted instead cowardly asserting something and then keeping your mouth shut when called on it | 17:49 |
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| odin_ | crashanddie, you confronted me ? when ? s/dick/cock/ | 17:50 |
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| tybollt | MohammadAG: know the term 'pink mist'? Go create some - perfect anger management passtime... | 17:52 |
| MohammadAG | tybollt, nope, never heard of it, care to shed some light on me? | 17:52 |
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| MohammadAG | oh headshots | 17:53 |
| MohammadAG | tybollt, they got boring | 17:53 |
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| tybollt | :-) | 17:53 |
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| qknight | i wonder how much of the n900 codebase (meaning maemo 5) is proprietary | 18:00 |
| qknight | is the network stuff open source? | 18:01 |
| Stskeeps | 43% is oss | 18:01 |
| MohammadAG | ~openness | 18:01 |
| qknight | serious? | 18:01 |
| infobot | rumour has it, openness is http://mer-project.blogspot.com/2010/02/mapping-openness-of-maemo-50-pr11-and.html | 18:01 |
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| qknight | oh thanks very much! that looks interesting! | 18:02 |
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| MohammadAG | thank Stskeeps, he made it afaik | 18:02 |
| tybollt | Stskeeps: damn, I could've sworn it was 42,677% :-| | 18:02 |
| MohammadAG | LOL | 18:02 |
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| lcuk | Stskeeps, the osso-calculator-engine looks pretty good to use with liqcalc by the way | 18:17 |
| lcuk | then it will be 100% open source | 18:17 |
| lcuk | a fully tested extremely capable parametric calculator engine :) | 18:17 |
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| * lcuk has been peeking around all this OSSO stuff recently :) | 18:18 | |
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| SpeedEvil | Fully functional?\ | 18:20 |
| SpeedEvil | Turing complete, and able to pass the turing test? | 18:21 |
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| SpeedEvil | That's what I want of any calculatorr. | 18:21 |
| crashanddie | "calculataur", the nerds of dinosaurs. | 18:21 |
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| lcuk | SpeedEvil, right now its just solar powered :P but tying it up with the osso backend seems like the most sensible option | 18:22 |
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| MohammadAG | LOL crashanddie | 18:24 |
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| kke_ | hmm xterm font went really small, have to use sizes from 16 upwards to make it readable at all | 18:32 |
| kke_ | is there a zoom feature i missed? | 18:33 |
| MohammadAG | volume keys | 18:33 |
| SpeedEvil | the 'volume' buttons | 18:33 |
| kke_ | wow | 18:33 |
| kke_ | mind=blown | 18:33 |
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| kke_ | i,d like to see xterm vibrate on bell | 18:41 |
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| b-man|N900 | hmmmmm http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=790445#post790445 | 18:42 |
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| lcuk | b-man|N900, the calculator question or the nick collision? | 18:45 |
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| b-man|N900 | lcuk, the nick collision | 18:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | kke_: pester RST38h + cehteh to damn deliver a help or even config gui for the xterm notification BS | 18:52 |
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| DocScrutinizer | kke_: there's some commend for that in xterm, but I forgot it | 18:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | command | 18:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | kke_: something like /notification +V | 18:54 |
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| cehteh | what? | 18:58 |
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| cehteh | eh xterm or xchat? | 18:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | xchat | 18:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | (--coffe) | 18:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-S | 18:59 |
| cehteh | to turn vibration on: /notify_mode +v | 19:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer | vib on xterm bell is actually a nice idea (and such a precise wording I wonder how I could miss the meaning) | 19:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | cehteh: thanks - will go into my autostart script NOW. Fsckng blue led | 19:01 |
| cehteh | cat /home/user/.xchat2/maemo_notify.conf | 19:01 |
| cehteh | VIBRA_PATTERN PatternIRCMessage | 19:01 |
| cehteh | NOTIFY_MODE +bvld | 19:01 |
| cehteh | DIALOG_THROTTLE 2 1800 | 19:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-D | 19:02 |
| cehteh | PatternIRCMessage you possibly dont have :) | 19:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer | thanks, I got .xchat/notify.sh, so no need for any of that | 19:03 |
| cehteh | well my plugin reads the maemo_notify.conf but you can place this commands in any startup script | 19:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer | and it's *BAD* it comes enabled by default, and it's NASTY there's no GUI for it | 19:04 |
| cehteh | yeah .. i know, people keep complainins instead adding this :) | 19:05 |
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| cehteh | btw will anyone of you at FrOSCon next weekend? | 19:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | cehteh: friggin notify.conf is empty :-S | 19:07 |
| cehteh | here too .. i dont even know what it is for | 19:08 |
| cehteh | some other plugin :) | 19:08 |
| cehteh | no gui | 19:08 |
| cehteh | no docs | 19:08 |
| cehteh | haha :) | 19:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ~lart cehteh | 19:09 |
| * infobot hauls cehteh up by the scruff of the neck and spanks him until he waddles | 19:09 | |
| DocScrutinizer | there *is no* maemo_notify.conf | 19:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | and still I got that fscking blue LED after every xchat start, and I have to disable it with that BS /notify command | 19:11 |
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| cehteh | you write that maemo_notify.conf | 19:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | I *hate* this extension | 19:12 |
| cehteh | and add NOTIFY_MODE -l there | 19:12 |
| cehteh | then led blinking is disabled | 19:12 |
| MohammadAG | I got rid of the .so and used the .sh instead | 19:12 |
| MohammadAG | anyways | 19:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: how? | 19:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | rm ?? | 19:12 |
| MohammadAG | mv, it won't load it | 19:13 |
| MohammadAG | sec | 19:13 |
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| MohammadAG | /usr/lib/xchat/plugins | 19:13 |
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| cehteh | lol | 19:14 |
| lcuk | i almost threw my n900 across the room the night that got installed | 19:14 |
| cehteh | people who dont RTFM :) | 19:15 |
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| cehteh | i made everything configureable and every default can be changed wen building it | 19:16 |
| * lcuk adds line in pr1.3 "if username='cehteh': play_loud_music randomly" :p | 19:16 | |
| cehteh | the initial defaults are just all bells and whistles enabled .. | 19:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer | and that's BAD | 19:17 |
| MohammadAG | initial defaults should be all bells and whistles disabled | 19:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | no update ever is supposed to shove new possibly unpleasant features down user's throat | 19:18 |
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| CutMeOwnThroat | *ahem* | 19:18 |
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| cehteh | i dont care | 19:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ok, that attitude will get you eternal fame with all the testers, I'm sure | 19:20 |
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| lardman | afternoon | 19:20 |
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| lardman | any Debian gurus about? | 19:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | moo lardman | 19:21 |
| lardman | hey Doc | 19:21 |
| lardman | I'll explain our problem with mBarcode dependencies anyway and see if anyone has any bright ideas | 19:21 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, would pushing some rm -rf /* package into -testing teach testers, or annoy innocent users | 19:22 |
| lardman | We have an mbarcode package and a number of mbarcode-plugin-this/that packages, mBarcode does not require plugins, but doesn't do much without them | 19:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | maybe both | 19:22 |
| lardman | I would like to make a meta package mbarcode-plugins, which lists each plugin, and make mbarcode recommend that, but HAM doesn't seem to support/do anything with recommends, is this right? | 19:23 |
| lardman | the question is how to get the plugins installed with mbarcode, but allow individual plugins to be removed (and mbarcode can't depend on the plugins as they depend on mbarcode) | 19:24 |
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| lardman | or is this a question that simply can't be handled by apt/dpkg or HAM? | 19:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: is xchat loading xchat/plugins/*.so or xchat/plugins/* ? | 19:25 |
| MohammadAG | hmm, * I think | 19:25 |
| MohammadAG | brb dinner | 19:25 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, I moved it to / | 19:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | *nod* | 19:26 |
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| DocScrutinizer | DocScrutinizer51: ping | 19:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | \o/ | 19:28 |
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| lcuk | lardman, hmm | 19:28 |
| lardman | hi lcuk | 19:28 |
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| lcuk | i encountered similar things i nthe past | 19:29 |
| crashanddie | hey lardman, lcuk | 19:29 |
| lcuk | and just ended up adding a subset of packages | 19:29 |
| lardman | hi crashanddie | 19:29 |
| Mece | MohammadAG, ping | 19:29 |
| lardman | lcuk: yeah I'm thinking of an mbarcode-all-plugins type of package and have a spash screen at first run that suggests the user goes back to HAM to install this if no plugins are found | 19:29 |
| lcuk | well | 19:30 |
| lardman | would be nice if recommends was seen and acted upon by HAM though | 19:30 |
| lcuk | I wouldnt have it with none ever | 19:30 |
| lardman | it runs with none though | 19:30 |
| lcuk | perhaps mbarcode itself should tie in with the "core" ones | 19:30 |
| lcuk | still.. | 19:30 |
| lardman | yeah, but the core ones would still tend to get updates more often than mbarcode | 19:30 |
| lardman | and that would mean an mbarcode release for a plugin tweak, which is not ideal | 19:31 |
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| lardman | can one have circular deps? and have them resolved? | 19:31 |
| lcuk | hmm | 19:31 |
| lcuk | i mean just making mbarcode depend on a couple of plugins | 19:31 |
| svuorela | lardman: make mbarcode-plugins-all real package that depends on all plugins. | 19:32 |
| lardman | yeah but that would mean you could install the plugins, but they can't run without mbarcode not vice versa | 19:32 |
| svuorela | make mbarcode depend on mbarcode-plugins-all | mbarcode-plugin | 19:32 |
| svuorela | make mbarcode-plugin-foo Provide mbarcode-plugin | 19:32 |
| Mece | lardman, I think you can force an installation of one package, and then the other package should install fine. | 19:32 |
| lardman | Mece: forcing is one thing, but will HAM allow it? I think now | 19:33 |
| svuorela | lardman: that should work at least with apt and dpkg, and hopefully also with HAM, unless they screwed it up. | 19:33 |
| lardman | not | 19:33 |
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| Mece | no. it wont. | 19:33 |
| svuorela | lardman: (that's what xorg does in debian) | 19:33 |
| lardman | perhaps using deb deps is the wrong way to do this, I don't know | 19:33 |
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| svuorela | lardman: and if my suggestion doesn't work, split out the part of mbarcode that everything depends on in a separate package. like a libmbarcode package | 19:34 |
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| lardman | svuorela: the problem is that mbarcode doesn't *need* any plugins, but just doesn't do very much without them | 19:36 |
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| lardman | i.e. nothing needs the plugins | 19:36 |
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| lardman | if I make mbarcode depend on mbarcode-all-plugins, which I don't really like but perhaps is the only way, can I remove one of the plugins that mbarcode-all-plugins depends on without problems? | 19:37 |
| svuorela | lardman: is that actually a interesting use case ? else, do a package mbarcode-plugin-dummy that provides mbarcode-plugin if you want to cater for that as well | 19:37 |
| lcuk | lardman, do you have a mechanism to disable plugins | 19:38 |
| svuorela | lardman: if you make mbarcode depend on mbarcode-all-plugins | mbarcode-plugin and make all the plugins provide mbarcode-plugin, then you should be able to remove all but one plugin | 19:38 |
| lardman | probably not interesting, but I also want to avoid someone uninstalling a package and that getting dpkg all messed up as it was depended upon by the meta package | 19:38 |
| lcuk | or do they have all get used if they exist? | 19:38 |
| lardman | svuorela: ah, I see where you're coming from now | 19:38 |
| lardman | lcuk: no mechanism yet, but is on the list | 19:38 |
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| lcuk | thats potentially why you are worrying more | 19:39 |
| lcuk | like firefox etc, you can disable individual plugins | 19:39 |
| * svuorela found at least one very useless mbarcode plugin | 19:39 | |
| lardman | yeah | 19:39 |
| lcuk | and so users would look for a way to uninstall really | 19:39 |
| lcuk | unless they uninstalled specifics | 19:39 |
| lardman | ok, so I like svuorela's suggestion and also need to get the enable/disable page working asap | 19:40 |
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| svuorela | lardman: it is solutions that is tested in debian since ages ,) | 19:40 |
| lardman | hence my asking for some Debian gurus as I'm not one ;) | 19:41 |
| lardman | thank too :) | 19:41 |
| lardman | thanks even | 19:41 |
| * lardman can't type today | 19:41 | |
| svuorela | I'm one fo the debian qt/kde guys, so I have learned some tricks ;) | 19:42 |
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| Mece | I want full qt 4.6 docs offline for N900 | 19:42 |
| svuorela | lardman: while you are around, I have a few interesting requests. if I scan a datamatrix/qrcode that contains a vcard or a mecard it would be nice if they could be inserted into the addressbook, and if I scan a code that contains a ical event, getting it into my calendar could be nice. | 19:42 |
| lardman | the first should work | 19:42 |
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| svuorela | (I'm kind of hackin on getting some of the kde apps to be able to show 2d barcodes of data ;) | 19:43 |
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| lardman | the second I'm not so sure about as ical isn't recognised by the MIME handler, so I'd need to find some example code for calendar manipulation and when I last looked I couldn't find any | 19:43 |
| lardman | but yes, that was my original plan, to get iCal working, I'm happy to take another look at that if someone can point me towards some relevant code | 19:44 |
| svuorela | lardman: when I tried mecards a while ago, I didn't get the possibility to do anything about it | 19:45 |
| lardman | hmm, mecards I might not have finished | 19:47 |
| lardman | I've been away for a month or so, sorry about that | 19:47 |
| svuorela | no need to be sorry ;) | 19:47 |
| lardman | well I feel bad as these things should have been sorted out, but I've just been really busy at the day job | 19:48 |
| lardman | ok, I'll have a check on the mecard code | 19:48 |
| lardman | and also iCal if I can find some import method | 19:48 |
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| svuorela | lardman: rather than feeling bad, just offer people their license fees back. | 19:51 |
| crashanddie | lardman: iCal? | 19:51 |
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| crashanddie | licence fees? | 19:52 |
| lardman | crashanddie: calendar exchange | 19:52 |
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| lardman | svuorela: yeah, I'm not the BBC! :) | 19:52 |
| crashanddie | lardman: you're charging for mbarcode? | 19:53 |
| lardman | no of course not | 19:53 |
| svuorela | hihi | 19:54 |
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| crashanddie | holy crap, $260k for a watch | 19:55 |
| lardman | hmm | 19:56 |
| crashanddie | http://www.gtspirit.com/2010/08/17/parmigiani-fleurier-bugatti-super-sport | 19:56 |
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| ZogG | crashanddie, hey buddy | 20:02 |
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| crashanddie | hi | 20:02 |
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| Gadgetoid_iMac | Conundrum! | 20:02 |
| ZogG | crashanddie sup | 20:02 |
| Gadgetoid_iMac | I have an N900 game-gripper, but no N900! | 20:02 |
| ZogG | Gadgetoid_iMac so send it to me | 20:02 |
| Mece | Gadgetoid_iMac, lol | 20:02 |
| crashanddie | not much, just waiting for everyone getting ready and leaving to the restaurant | 20:03 |
| Mece | I ordered a gamegripper today. | 20:03 |
| Gadgetoid_iMac | Must review it! | 20:03 |
| ZogG | MohammadAG hey | 20:03 |
| MohammadAG51 | hi | 20:03 |
| ZogG | crashanddie, french food? =) | 20:03 |
| crashanddie | aye | 20:03 |
| ZogG | MohammadAG51, have you missed me? | 20:03 |
| Gadgetoid_iMac | It's not groundbreaking in terms of manufacture quality, but it certainly looks like it'll do what it says on the tin | 20:03 |
| crashanddie | well, catalan | 20:03 |
| ZogG | i bet DocScrutinizer did | 20:03 |
| MohammadAG51 | ZogG, no | 20:03 |
| ZogG | MohammadAG51 =( | 20:04 |
| ZogG | crashanddie boune appetite | 20:04 |
| Gadgetoid_iMac | I dare say the D-pad would even hit diagonals, although that would require support in the emulator for left/down etc to be registered as such | 20:04 |
| MohammadAG51 | ZogG, bon* | 20:04 |
| ZogG | MohammadAG51 - boner | 20:04 |
| crashanddie | ZogG: it's a little restaurant, you're seated under the trees, and some old fat guy is half dying in front of a 5 billion degrees barbecue, cooking brochettes for everyone | 20:04 |
| Mece | MohammadAG, hey, about the kinetic scrolling package.. | 20:04 |
| crashanddie | ZogG: "bon appetit", pronounced "bohn apeh ti" | 20:05 |
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| ZogG | crashanddie does he have gay waiters ? | 20:05 |
| crashanddie | dunno | 20:05 |
| crashanddie | I'm not used to asking people their sexual orientation when they're waiting my table | 20:06 |
| ZogG | crashanddie, i know how it's pronounced but never can learn to write it right, learned french for several years but don't remember a shit | 20:06 |
| MohammadAG51 | Mece, yeah? | 20:06 |
| ZogG | crashanddie, you can see it, it just sounds like this old guy has young employees serving tables at evening and him at night =) | 20:06 |
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| crashanddie | ah, no, it's a smallish family-owned thingie | 20:07 |
| crashanddie | like, 10 tables max or so | 20:07 |
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| Mece | MohammadAG, you could change it to another package name, that replaces the files in the old package. that way ham wont suggest upgrade maemo 5 | 20:08 |
| ZogG | crashanddie just kidding | 20:09 |
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| Gadgetoid_iMac | Gonna have to hunt for a display N900 somewhere... ho hum | 20:10 |
| Gadgetoid_iMac | Anyone here in/near Norwich? :D | 20:10 |
| ZogG | Gadgetoid_iMac broked a screen? | 20:12 |
| ZogG | maybe ebay can help you | 20:12 |
| Gadgetoid_iMac | Nah ZogG, I need an N900 temporarily | 20:12 |
| ZogG | or some chinese sites aka dealerextreme | 20:12 |
| ZogG | Gadgetoid_iMac, would give mine for review but i'm from isral =) | 20:13 |
| ZogG | israel* | 20:13 |
| Gadgetoid_iMac | Hahaha, wowser! | 20:13 |
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| Gadgetoid_iMac | Props to you guys for bringing us Infected Mushroom | 20:13 |
| ZogG | =)) | 20:13 |
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| Gadgetoid_iMac | And to a lesser extent.. .either Alogia or Angra... I can't remember which | 20:14 |
| ZogG | thank you to bringing us shrooms so we could bring you infected mushrooms =) | 20:14 |
| Gadgetoid_iMac | Hahahahahaha | 20:14 |
| ZogG | and lsd so we give you skazi =) | 20:14 |
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| Gadgetoid_iMac | the music industry would be in a sorry state without drug abuse | 20:15 |
| ZogG | yeah | 20:16 |
| th3hate | is advanced-power package known to make Xorg use 100% CPU all the time? | 20:16 |
| ZogG | true | 20:16 |
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| ZogG | why would noone till now port any task manager to maemo? | 20:17 |
| ZogG | i mean good detailed one | 20:17 |
| Mece | anyone here have free heroes 2 installed? | 20:17 |
| SpeedEvil | Because nobody has had time+skill+inclination | 20:18 |
| lardman | bbl chaps | 20:18 |
| lardman | thanks for the ideas | 20:18 |
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| ZogG | SpeedEvil =( | 20:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer | wtf is a task manager? | 20:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | isn't that a windose concept? | 20:21 |
| bef0rd | oui | 20:21 |
| ZogG | DocScrutinizer nope | 20:21 |
| ZogG | i have one in my linups | 20:21 |
| ZogG | top with gui and more detailed | 20:21 |
| ZogG | and not that annoying as you =)_ | 20:22 |
| bef0rd | The load applet had a process explorer on Diablo, not sure about the Maemo 5 version | 20:22 |
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| ZogG | bef0rd haven't seen it there | 20:27 |
| ZogG | so we could see every process child and than to decide if <th3hate> is advanced-power package known to make Xorg use 100% CPU all the time? | 20:27 |
| * DocScrutinizer throws htop at ZogG | 20:29 | |
| ZogG | DocScrutinizer, it's not gui | 20:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | pfff | 20:30 |
| ZogG | and not that nice on small screen | 20:30 |
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| ZogG | no touch thingy | 20:30 |
| Gadgetoid_iMac | http://www.gadgetoid.com/2010/08/18/n900-game-gripper-review/ pow! | 20:30 |
| th3hate | ZogG, htop does the job pretty well | 20:31 |
| th3hate | advanced-power-monitor package rapes the cpu badly | 20:32 |
| ZogG | Gadgetoid_iMac how you managed to do it without n900 =P | 20:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | ZogG: a 'task manager' that has a mem footprint of 28MB and eats up 58% of CPU just for updating a fancy GUI is maybe shiny but *totally* useless for real life emergency handling | 20:33 |
| ZogG | DocScrutinizer just say you don't like me | 20:33 |
| ZogG | still i think it's much better than live wallpapers = | 20:34 |
| ZogG | =\ | 20:34 |
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| Gadgetoid_iMac | ZogG: I didn't | 20:35 |
| Gadgetoid_iMac | Going to hunt down an N900 to do a followup + video if I can | 20:35 |
| Gadgetoid_iMac | might just ask Nokia for one | 20:35 |
| ZogG | you can ask them - doubt you'll get any answer =) | 20:35 |
| Gadgetoid_iMac | Well, they've sent me phones before | 20:36 |
| Gadgetoid_iMac | Which I promptly lost down the side of the passenger seat in my car | 20:36 |
| ZogG | lol | 20:36 |
| Gadgetoid_iMac | And accidentally sent them back an empty box... | 20:36 |
| ZogG | hahaha | 20:36 |
| ZogG | not really cool to do with company you want to get somewthing from them =) | 20:36 |
| Gadgetoid_iMac | Indeed | 20:37 |
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| Gadgetoid_iMac | It was a hilarious escapade | 20:37 |
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| DocScrutinizer | GAN900: ping | 20:38 |
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| RiotNOR | Can't spawn "debian/rules": No such file or directory at /madbin/dpkg-buildpack age line 474. | 20:40 |
| RiotNOR | dpkg-buildpackage: failure: debian/rules clean failed with unknown exit code -1. Any idea as to why that occurs? In advance, thanks. | 20:40 |
| RiotNOR | Whops | 20:41 |
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| MohammadAG51 | pastebining the file helps | 20:43 |
| RiotNOR | It appears Stsd | 20:44 |
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| RiotNOR | Damn keyboard. It appears Stskeeps replied quite fast. Haha. Sorry about that. Accidentally hit enter too quick. | 20:44 |
| xnt14 | Khertan: are you there? | 20:46 |
| MohammadAG51 | cc Khertan1 | 20:46 |
| xnt14 | ** Khertan1 | 20:46 |
| xnt14 | :P | 20:46 |
| ZogG | Khertan1, i heard xnt14 is searching for you | 20:46 |
| xnt14 | yeah | 20:47 |
| xnt14 | the "Auth to Twitter" button in Khweeteur isn't working :/ | 20:47 |
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| mikki-kun | hm, does removing the bootvid (meaning, rm $VID) have any negative sideeffects like boot not executing? i don't wanna see those hands anymore... | 20:50 |
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| kerio | i hate those hands | 20:54 |
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| GAN900 | DocScrutinizer, pong? | 20:55 |
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| DocScrutinizer | kerio: swap for nice pr0n | 21:11 |
| kerio | heh | 21:11 |
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| kerio | really though, does it need to be there? | 21:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer | yes, for some reason it needs the file, or boot will fail - aiui | 21:12 |
| Stskeeps | http://www.npccomic.com/2010/08/18/nokia-n900/ | 21:12 |
| kerio | and can i switch it with a 1 frame video that's completely white? | 21:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | sure | 21:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | I even ran into the config file with pointer to that file, several times. Alas forgot | 21:13 |
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| RiotNOR | Anyone want to take a jump into this tiny bit of error here in MADDE? http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=789987&postcount=6 Quite frustrating, I might add. :) | 21:24 |
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| lcuk | g/me blames it on the internet | 21:28 |
| * lcuk blames it on the internet | 21:28 | |
| frals | ah that reminds me | 21:29 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, since you started using twitter again I thought I would remind you about a post I just made mentioning you and calling to action :P | 21:29 |
| * frals starts VM to move debian/ folder somewhere | 21:29 | |
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| lcuk | :P | 21:30 |
| frals | lcuk: how should the dir structure be? | 21:30 |
| lcuk | frals, "git add debian" | 21:30 |
| * frals never bothered with this... | 21:30 | |
| lcuk | git commit -a -m "added debian folder cos I left it off" :P | 21:30 |
| lcuk | git push | 21:30 |
| frals | debian is ../ from src | 21:30 |
| frals | ;o | 21:30 |
| lcuk | o_O | 21:30 |
| frals | does it still work? :p | 21:30 |
| Stskeeps | packaging seperate from application, silly people! | 21:30 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 21:30 |
| lcuk | idunno how can it exist outside the main folder? | 21:30 |
| frals | lcuk: i have fmms/ and them fmms/src fmms/po fmms/debian | 21:31 |
| frals | or something along those lines :p | 21:31 |
| lcuk | frals, so you have only got git itself in the src folder | 21:31 |
| * lcuk nods | 21:31 | |
| frals | yes | 21:31 |
| lcuk | altho didnt I see a po folder in your gitorious? | 21:31 |
| frals | no, its a separete repo there | 21:31 |
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| frals | because transifex has commit access there | 21:32 |
| lcuk | http://gitorious.org/fmms/fmms/trees/master/po | 21:32 |
| lcuk | you do have a po folder in your gitorious (however empty) | 21:32 |
| frals | oh yeah that one | 21:32 |
| * lcuk knew he wasnt going blind | 21:32 | |
| frals | its there because of ehh | 21:32 |
| frals | nfc, but its there! ;p | 21:33 |
| lcuk | and as for your base folder | 21:33 |
| lcuk | mmm | 21:33 |
| lcuk | combination of git moves usually does the trick | 21:33 |
| frals | bah | 21:33 |
| frals | :P | 21:33 |
| lcuk | lol | 21:34 |
| frals | having it separate means i dont have to have all the junk on device | 21:34 |
| frals | ;D | 21:34 |
| lcuk | then dont move it | 21:34 |
| * lcuk will just file a bug against not being able to package your source :P | 21:34 | |
| lcuk | so you remember | 21:34 |
| frals | ill engineering something! | 21:34 |
| * lcuk nods | 21:34 | |
| lcuk | it was only for a test as you know anyway | 21:34 |
| frals | yeah | 21:35 |
| frals | hmpf | 21:35 |
| lcuk | hihih | 21:35 |
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| lcuk | my fish can see again! | 21:35 |
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| frals | only feature im missing from svn is being able to checkout only a subfolder from git | 21:35 |
| lcuk | or more precisely, I found out the fish was still i nthe tank | 21:35 |
| frals | and its driving me insane every time | 21:35 |
| frals | lol | 21:36 |
| frals | hmm lcuk | 21:36 |
| Tu13es | are there any alternative OSes that I could install on my n800 and are reasonably usable? | 21:36 |
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| frals | lcuk: you are gonna need statusmenu-fmms and err sharing-fmms or something as well i guess | 21:36 |
| lcuk | Tu13es, chinook or diablo work well | 21:37 |
| Tu13es | ..alternative OSes? | 21:37 |
| Tu13es | iirc it has diablo on it already | 21:37 |
| Tu13es | i figure it'd be fun to dig it out and install something new, if it was actually usable | 21:37 |
| lcuk | what was original on device OS for N800? | 21:38 |
| lcuk | Tu13es, in the 8x0 period people were inventive with OSes, the closest to really workable was Mer | 21:38 |
| lcuk | but people seemed to run happily with all sorts of things | 21:38 |
| Tu13es | yeah, hmm | 21:38 |
| Tu13es | i can't remember if i tried mer | 21:39 |
| Tu13es | i was hoping for NITdroid but they stopped dev on the n8x0 ( | 21:39 |
| Tu13es | :( | 21:39 |
| lcuk | I dont know what the latest great stable one was, I think it was 0.17 | 21:39 |
| Tu13es | yeah, looks like it | 21:39 |
| lcuk | had good compatability too | 21:39 |
| lcuk | seemed that people could just transfer their apps | 21:39 |
| Tu13es | cool | 21:40 |
| lcuk | Tu13es, have you installed Mirror on your 800? | 21:41 |
| Tu13es | Mirror? | 21:41 |
| lcuk | its a tiling window manager like the fremantle one | 21:41 |
| Tu13es | doesn't ring a bell | 21:41 |
| lcuk | but without the 3d requirement | 21:41 |
| lcuk | maybe not mirror | 21:42 |
| lcuk | ahhh phoey | 21:42 |
| lcuk | telescope | 21:42 |
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| lcuk | http://www.youtube.com/user/DenielOlivo#p/a/u/2/6FhOf4evqtU | 21:42 |
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| Tu13es | ooh, cool | 21:43 |
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| ebzzry | Aside from Mauku and MaStory, what other blogging apps are available on Fremantle? Does a feature comparison list exist? | 21:56 |
| lcuk | ebzzry, not that I am aware of, but since you are in a position to try, if you identify the features please blog/upload them :) | 21:57 |
| ebzzry | lcuk: OK | 21:58 |
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| DocScrutinizer | tracker.cfg: # Minimizes memory use at the expense of indexing speed | 22:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | LowMemoryMode=false | 22:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-S | 22:19 |
| Stskeeps | heh | 22:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | # Set to true to disable indexing when running on battery | 22:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | BatteryIndex=false | 22:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-[ | 22:21 |
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| Gh0sty | is there already some way to sync google calendar with the n900 calendar? :/ | 22:23 |
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| Gh0sty | sucks that the exchange sync thingy does not work :( | 22:23 |
| Mehta | Hey | 22:23 |
| steinex | Gh0sty: it works perfectly for me | 22:24 |
| steinex | Gh0sty: what is the problem? | 22:24 |
| Gh0sty | if I try to sync it syncs 1 time and then stops? :/ | 22:24 |
| steinex | huh? can't reproduce | 22:24 |
| Gh0sty | problem already talked about in 50 threads @ maemo.org it seems ... | 22:24 |
| muellisoft | well Gh0sty. I have to fully resync every now and then, too. Esp. when I edit stuff on both, the device and on the web | 22:24 |
| Gh0sty | unless that should have gotten fixed the last weeks? :/ | 22:24 |
| steinex | however, i use nuevasync.com to sync several google calendar accounts at once... | 22:24 |
| Gh0sty | ah yes nuevasync ... you pay for that? :/ | 22:26 |
| Mehta | I have a problem with my N900.. mircousb charger won't charge my N900 (but it will charge my brothers E75 or smth) and when i plug my n900 to computer it charges it | 22:26 |
| steinex | nope, the free option is good enough for me | 22:26 |
| Gh0sty | my symbian phone could sync perfectly with mail for exchange | 22:26 |
| satmd | Mehta: apple chargers only charge apple devices, too | 22:27 |
| satmd | so I'm not surprised | 22:27 |
| Gh0sty | well perfectly ... things deleted did not get deleted on the google calendar but that was minor issue | 22:27 |
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| Gh0sty | Mehta: you need to short the data wires | 22:27 |
| Gh0sty | see maemo.org and search the forum for dumb chargers | 22:27 |
| Mehta | rgr | 22:28 |
| Mehta | cheers | 22:28 |
| Gh0sty | or you can buy a cable from brando i believe which will do the same | 22:28 |
| alterego | Haven't seeen this pic before: http://thecoolgadgets.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/nokia_symbian_ui_concept_2010.jpg | 22:28 |
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| Mehta | I just was wondering because it has worked like half a year before this | 22:30 |
| keesj | they copied the "...." to show the current desktop from android | 22:30 |
| Mehta | just died day before yesterday | 22:30 |
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| lcuk | haha alterego i make n900 do that for real :P | 22:32 |
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| alterego | Weird, why didn't that highlight my nick .. | 22:32 |
| alterego | lcuk: yeah, this is symbian though :)P | 22:33 |
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| alterego | Quite funny though, do a google image search for "concept ui" and it's 90% Nokia, makes you wonder if they're all dreamers and no doers at Nokia :) | 22:35 |
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| frals | guys | 22:35 |
| frals | name a random gtk app in extras | 22:35 |
| alterego | gpodder | 22:35 |
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| alterego | Heh, I don't even use it :) | 22:36 |
| alterego | gtk or hildon? | 22:36 |
| lcuk | frals, fMMS | 22:36 |
| lcuk | simple brightness applet | 22:36 |
| frals | lcuk, cept for fmms, trying to track down why 2 labels isnt showing for hwoarang ;) | 22:36 |
| * lcuk does not generally know which framework different apps are written in | 22:37 | |
| lcuk | xsnow! | 22:38 |
| lcuk | any widget | 22:38 |
| lcuk | almost | 22:38 |
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| lcuk | ahhh frals: ecoach, 100% | 22:38 |
| alterego | So symbian^4 is going to replace AIKON with Qt? | 22:39 |
| alterego | I guess they can drop the Series 60 brand name. | 22:39 |
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| alterego | http://davemark.com/images/stencil.jpg | 22:42 |
| alterego | That is sweet. | 22:42 |
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| lcuk | lol | 22:44 |
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| DocScrutinizer | which app is creating .mediaartlocal/ ? | 23:11 |
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| SwedeMike | DocScrutinizer: google says "tracker". | 23:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | o.O | 23:13 |
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| mece | have we got UFO:AI on N900 yet? | 23:13 |
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| mece | ...or should I get right on that? | 23:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer | so let me put it that way: How would I create cover art for albums that don't have yet? | 23:15 |
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| mortini | cat /dev/random > img.jpg | 23:16 |
| mortini | :D | 23:16 |
| lcuk | mmm | 23:16 |
| mortini | or, something like that. | 23:16 |
| * lcuk will find out for you if no1 manages it DocScrutinizer | 23:16 | |
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| DocScrutinizer | I'm just puzzled about a few .medaiartlocal about 9 months old, which have nice cover picture, and some other albums never got that though I'm sure the usual sources in net have that cover as well | 23:18 |
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| * DocScrutinizer suspects canola to be creator of those cover arts | 23:23 | |
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| mece | ok hmm seems UFO:AI is a bit more... modern than the UFO games I played.. | 23:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer | lcuk: weird thing is all the .mediaartlocal/ have a date of 2009-12-01, same time | 23:31 |
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| ZogG | lcuk i think you are the guy i know from twitter? =P | 23:35 |
| lcuk | All characters appearing in this work are fictitious. Any resemblance to real persons, living or dead, is purely coincidental. | 23:36 |
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| lcuk | see and my alterego left too :P | 23:36 |
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| crashanddie | lol... I just got a PM on a motorbike forum that "I shouldn't be posting legalese on public forums as I might get sued for giving wrong information" | 23:38 |
| crashanddie | I was but quoting the law, with a link to the governmental website where it is hosted | 23:38 |
| lcuk | .. | 23:38 |
| crashanddie | bloody suckers | 23:38 |
| lcuk | yeah | 23:38 |
| lcuk | but the law depends on both country and the fact you are interpretting what someone asked | 23:38 |
| lcuk | so you could show them clear full original scrolls of law | 23:39 |
| lcuk | which might be about something totally different | 23:39 |
| crashanddie | well, in this case it was about "driving in EU countries with a 125 motorbike using a french car licence" | 23:39 |
| crashanddie | quite specific :P | 23:39 |
| lcuk | "you are ok to pee in a milk bottle and deposit it behind a drainpipe after 3am, it says so here.." | 23:40 |
| crashanddie | And I may not be the brightest around, but I'm not that thick :D | 23:40 |
| lcuk | you are quite chunky actually :P but yeah we know you aint thick dude | 23:40 |
| crashanddie | oh yeah, I'm a slice alright :D | 23:40 |
| lcuk | are you enjoying new job? | 23:41 |
| lcuk | and more importantly, riding to work on newbike :P | 23:41 |
| crashanddie | well, it's still hardcore training | 23:41 |
| crashanddie | yeah, I went on the pushbike today, really enjoyed that | 23:41 |
| lcuk | "hardcore training" without knowing which job it is, I am afraid to ask | 23:41 |
| crashanddie | thoroughly enjoying the motorbike rides too, though | 23:41 |
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| lcuk | do you have to wear protective clothes? | 23:41 |
| crashanddie | for training? No. | 23:41 |
| crashanddie | For the motorbike, yes | 23:41 |
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| lcuk | :D | 23:42 |
| crashanddie | I was hired as a C++ dev on a VoIP platform | 23:42 |
| lcuk | cool beans! | 23:42 |
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| crashanddie | so there's like two other guys ("the other unmanageable C++ dev", and a PHP dev) and a maintenance chick getting trained along with me | 23:43 |
| crashanddie | the guy who's training us probably has an IQ that surpasses all of ours combined | 23:43 |
| lcuk | cool | 23:44 |
| crashanddie | so he's going at full speed, he actually just forgets parts of words and pronounces the end of the next word | 23:44 |
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| crashanddie | "SIP management" becomes "Simagement" | 23:44 |
| lcuk | i do that when typing | 23:44 |
| lcuk | I normally write a space before finishing the previous word | 23:44 |
| crashanddie | so, really intense trying to keep up | 23:44 |
| crashanddie | the guy who wrote the software lives pretty much next to the d-day beach in northwestern france | 23:45 |
| crashanddie | he doesn't answer the phone, doesn't respond the emails, never has gtalk connected | 23:45 |
| lcuk | so its a bit of a trek if you need to see him? | 23:45 |
| lcuk | tsk tsk | 23:45 |
| lcuk | long ride through open countryside | 23:46 |
| crashanddie | yeah | 23:46 |
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| crashanddie | and even though it runs on Linux, and the long-term plan is to open source the project | 23:46 |
| crashanddie | it doesn't use a single bit of FOSS libraries | 23:46 |
| crashanddie | XML parser? He wrote it himself, a new one. SIP library? He wrote it himself, a new one. Multi-host IPC library? He wrote it himself, a new one | 23:47 |
| crashanddie | actually, lcuk, you'd like him :D | 23:47 |
| * lcuk was just agreeing with you :P | 23:47 | |
| lcuk | hey speaking of such matters | 23:48 |
| lcuk | liqcalc | 23:48 |
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| lcuk | got a lovely front end now | 23:48 |
| lcuk | but no guts | 23:48 |
| lcuk | there happens to be osso-calculator-engine available as OSS in maemo :) | 23:48 |
| crashanddie | The guy wrote an FTP server via which you can update the XML configuration of a project, but get this: he integrated the XML parser inside the FTP server, so it actually bounces your file if it's no good. | 23:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | canola sucks | 23:48 |
| lcuk | and I am trying to work out how to integrate it | 23:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-( | 23:48 |
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| crashanddie | lcuk: he wrote his own javascript engine :D | 23:49 |
| lcuk | lol crashanddie | 23:49 |
| lcuk | again, nothing drastic ;) | 23:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | SUUUUUUUCKS | 23:50 |
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| crashanddie | lcuk: well, there's dozens of 'em on the net | 23:50 |
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| lcuk | lol crashanddie indeed | 23:50 |
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| crashanddie | lcuk: but yeah, even though this week is kinda tedious (having to listen to a guy full on about his stuff without ever seeing it run is quite painfull), the team is good, and I'm quite enjoying mixing with people again | 23:51 |
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| crashanddie | I'm sure as soon people start coming back from holidays and stuff, and I'm being asked to work on some bugs, things will smooth out very quickly | 23:51 |
| johnsq | Hi | 23:51 |
| crashanddie | anyway, going to watch a true blood episode, bye all | 23:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | bloody idiots designing canola GUI | 23:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | windose brainwashed | 23:52 |
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| BCMM | DocScrutinizer: which bits? | 23:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | BCMM: eh? | 23:54 |
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| lcuk | DocScrutinizer, many people still consider canola to be the defacto maemo media player | 23:54 |
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| lcuk | and this years summer of code has someone doing work on it on #n900 afaik | 23:54 |
| BCMM | which bits of the GUI are problematic (i've only used it briefly, but i'm curious)? | 23:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | I consider it the defacto HowTo-NOT for a GUI | 23:54 |
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| lcuk | DocScrutinizer, :P bah same as not wanting people to play games | 23:55 |
| lcuk | kids like new shiny | 23:55 |
| lcuk | so its not right for you, but others love its smoothness | 23:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | believe it or not, I'm too stupid to get back from playing a single song to playlist selection. Even no obvious way to quit that piece of shit | 23:55 |
| crashanddie | shiny is good, response times is better | 23:56 |
| lcuk | ++ | 23:56 |
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| lcuk | for the most parts seb, canola had both | 23:56 |
| kerio | lcuk: what's wrong with other F/LOSS symbolic calculators? | 23:56 |
| kerio | :/ | 23:56 |
| lcuk | has ^ | 23:56 |
| lcuk | kerio, they don't have solar panels | 23:56 |
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| kerio | oh, i see | 23:56 |
| kerio | totally justified then | 23:56 |
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| crashanddie | lcuk: i remember using it on the n810, and especially remember the 30+ second boot time, and 5s menu response times | 23:57 |
| crashanddie | lcuk: never tried it on n900 | 23:57 |
| lcuk | and I am not against it, I am merely pointing it out as a viable option | 23:57 |
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| lcuk | crashanddie, should be revived after summer | 23:57 |
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| DocScrutinizer | BCMM: let's start with complete takeover/hijacking of screen, so you need ctrl-bs hw-kbd shortcut to switch to any other app | 23:58 |
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| BCMM | DocScrutinizer: ah, i think i remember it now | 23:59 |
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| BCMM | DocScrutinizer: widget appearances are all custom aren't they? | 23:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer | yep | 23:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer | screw that | 23:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer | feels like windows mobile | 23:59 |
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