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| DocScrutinizer | ~ubuntu kerio | 00:00 |
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| MohammadAG | screw that | 00:00 |
| MohammadAG | he wouldn't understand | 00:00 |
| MohammadAG | ~debian kerio | 00:01 |
| * infobot tells kerio to RTFM!!!! GAH!!! HELL FIRE AND BRIMSTONE!!!! BURN!!! DIE!!! MWAHAHAHAHA!!!! | 00:01 | |
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| kerio | DocScrutinizer: it's not me :/ | 00:01 |
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| tybollt | nice | 00:01 |
| tybollt | for ones MohammadAG did that thing and didn't have _my_ nick in there ;) | 00:01 |
| MohammadAG | ~tybollt | 00:02 |
| infobot | rumour has it, tybollt is some bloody idiot | 00:02 |
| tybollt | :) | 00:02 |
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| skyscraper_ | hi | 00:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG51: make sure settings_product-info and other common ways to inquire version do show a clue about those upgrades | 00:10 |
| skyscraper_ | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=752676&postcount=51 is this possible without rd mode? | 00:10 |
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| skyscraper_ | sry timed out | 00:10 |
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| crashanddie | skyscraper_: what part of the message don't you understand? | 00:14 |
| crashanddie | "The need for R&D mode will be fixed soon, I didn't save how I did last time so I'll need to figure it out again." | 00:14 |
| skyscraper_ | crashanddie: thougt maybe anyone fixed it ;) | 00:14 |
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| skyscraper_ | is r-d mode risky??? | 00:16 |
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| timeless | it's bad for battery life | 00:19 |
| skyscraper_ | why | 00:19 |
| skyscraper_ | and the gainroot app from extras is not bad for battery? | 00:20 |
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| Flyser | DocScrutinizer: www.wo-ist-der-eismann.de ;-) | 00:22 |
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| skyscraper_ | hum.... all away? | 00:24 |
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| skyscraper_ | do i loss warranty with rd mode? | 00:25 |
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| Khertan_n900 | kerio: and if pdb and ipython exit with status 0 how to debug and understand what happen ? | 00:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer | skyscraper_: no you won'z | 00:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | t | 00:33 |
| skyscraper_ | DocScrutinizer: ok so i can enable it without probs | 00:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer | skyscraper_: and why the heck should gainroot have any impact on battery life? | 00:33 |
| skyscraper_ | DocScrutinizer: why infects rd mode battery life? | 00:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | why should I know? I never tested it :-D | 00:35 |
| jani | rd mode propably enables quite a lot of stuff besides few bits in one shell =) | 00:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | r&d mode doesn't enable any bit in any shell | 00:36 |
| jani | dockane_: lost in translation | 00:36 |
| skyscraper_ | can i easily disable it, after trying out ubuntu 9.10? | 00:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | it enables some funny blinking on kbd (which btw would for sure create some useless drain on battery), also it stops a few safeguards so you can mess up device more thoroughly and still get a boot | 00:37 |
| jani | i didnt mean rd enables other stuff than getting a root access in shell | 00:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes, obviously | 00:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | r&d != rootsh | 00:38 |
| jani | doctoc "obvious" scrutinizer51 to the rescue! | 00:38 |
| skyscraper_ | can i kill my device completely with r&d enabled?? | 00:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | sure | 00:38 |
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| skyscraper_ | and without i cannot? | 00:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | as easily as without - just use a sledgehammer | 00:39 |
| jani | but then again you can kill it just as easily without r&d mode ;) | 00:39 |
| jani | skyscraper_: you are fast learner! | 00:39 |
| skyscraper_ | xD -.- | 00:39 |
| timeless | so... | 00:40 |
| timeless | whlie i was able to get parallels to recognize the device name | 00:40 |
| timeless | it hasn't managed to give the device to a linux vm | 00:40 |
| skyscraper_ | i only want to tryout ubuntu 9.10 | 00:40 |
| timeless | you don't even need r&d mode enabled to kill your device | 00:41 |
| timeless | but it's mildly easier to kill w/ r&d mode | 00:41 |
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| DocScrutinizer | timeless: yes. in the dark you'll aim on it easier with the sledgehammer | 00:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | due to the kbd blinking | 00:42 |
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| skyscraper_ | how to disable r&d? | 00:43 |
| timeless | if you have the kbd blinking on, then yeah :) | 00:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | same way you enable it | 00:43 |
| timeless | skyscraper: roughly the same way you enable it... | 00:43 |
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| skyscraper_ | flasher-3.5 --disable-rd-mode | 00:43 |
| skyscraper_ | ? | 00:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | (if on) right, there's been a sysnode to control that | 00:44 |
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| timeless | typically flasher-3.5 isn't in your path.. | 00:44 |
| timeless | but otherwise, yeah | 00:44 |
| skyscraper_ | xd | 00:44 |
| skyscraper_ | ./flasher-3.5 --disable-rd-mode | 00:44 |
| skyscraper_ | :p | 00:44 |
| timeless | that's more likely to work =b | 00:45 |
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| DocScrutinizer | W°.°W | 00:47 |
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| * skyscraper_ is downloading Ubuntu 9.10 for N900 atm | 00:48 | |
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| timeless | ooh | 00:54 |
| timeless | according to parallels JeOS has bound to my usb device | 00:54 |
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| ShadowJK | This cgroups thing is worrying me | 01:25 |
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| timeless | ShadowJK: why does cgroups worry you? | 01:29 |
| timeless | iiuc fremantle has some cgroups stuff | 01:30 |
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| ShadowJK | yeah | 01:30 |
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| ShadowJK | So I found a conf file with a shitload of application categories, rules putting apps into different categories | 01:31 |
| ShadowJK | and memory limits (or guarantees?) for then | 01:31 |
| ShadowJK | them | 01:31 |
| ShadowJK | I'm wondering, when device has been in use a week or whatever, and processes have fattened up to reach those limits, what happens? | 01:32 |
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| ShadowJK | Yesterday, after efforts to keep n900 running as long as possible, I was in a situation where with nothing open, there was a constant 2-5 Meeg/sec activity to/from swap | 01:33 |
| ShadowJK | and everything was painfully slow | 01:33 |
| nox- | du you have `bigger' file trees on there? | 01:34 |
| ShadowJK | but as far as top sort by mem, memory use looked ok. I couldn't figure out why it'd be feeling so much memory pressure | 01:34 |
| ShadowJK | Nope, no complicated file trees | 01:35 |
| ShadowJK | It I/O deadlocked itself before I could figure it out :( | 01:36 |
| timeless | heh | 01:36 |
| nox- | hm | 01:36 |
| timeless | so, fwiw, the cgroups category stuff scared me too when i looked at it last week | 01:36 |
| nox- | mine one once hung after (re-)starting maemo mapper + location test... | 01:36 |
| timeless | but my impression was that the maemo5 impl was fairly limited | 01:36 |
| nox- | when it was still waiting for a gps fix | 01:37 |
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| timeless | and that you'd need maemo6 to truly suffer :) | 01:37 |
| timeless | so i believe you're chasing the wrong criminal | 01:37 |
| timeless | this is just a juveile delinquent waiting to grow up into a real villain | 01:37 |
| timeless | s/ei/eni/ | 01:37 |
| infobot | timeless meant: this is just a juvenile delinquent waiting to grow up into a real villain | 01:37 |
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| DangerMaus | lol | 01:39 |
| ShadowJK | timeless, so what happens if Xorg is in some system critical cgroup and some unnamed app causes Xorg to allocate and touch 80 megs of ram? :) | 01:39 |
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| ShadowJK | I should mention that what ultimately triggered the "unrecoverable" swapstorm was accidentally opening a forum thread with about 100 megabytes (raw) of images.. :) | 01:42 |
| ShadowJK | I did a killall on browser and browserd afterwards, and thry came back lean and fresh | 01:43 |
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| ShadowJK | but everything I tried to do caused a swapstorm :) | 01:43 |
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| ShadowJK | just keylock on/off generated about 200 megabytes of swap io | 01:44 |
| mortini | ShadowJK: haha. nice. | 01:46 |
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| mortini | having flashbacks of when 128 MB was a lot of memory... | 01:48 |
| DangerMaus | and 300mb hdd was massive | 01:49 |
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| ShadowJK | Now 256 is woefully small :) | 01:51 |
| PolarFox | Heh... N900 phone app didn't work well when call came during full screen youtube video.. :P | 01:51 |
| timeless | define didn't work well? | 01:52 |
| PolarFox | Had to reboot before audio returned | 01:52 |
| PolarFox | pulseaudio :P | 01:52 |
| timeless | that isn't supposed to break | 01:52 |
| timeless | can you repeat? | 01:52 |
| * PolarFox thinks so too | 01:52 | |
| timeless | i'll call you if you need an incoming call... | 01:52 |
| PolarFox | Well.. I can't get anyone to call me at this hour.. | 01:53 |
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| nox- | btw phone app... has anyone managed to send dtmf using an n900? | 01:53 |
| PolarFox | But I can't repeat the exact scenario.. as I can't keep a normal profile during the night | 01:53 |
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| PolarFox | But I can test it tomorrow. | 01:54 |
| timeless | nox: it works w/ +1800555TELL | 01:54 |
| timeless | in pr1.2 | 01:54 |
| nox- | hm | 01:54 |
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| timeless | w/POTS, SIP and Skype | 01:54 |
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| timeless | well, SIPs | 01:54 |
| * timeless isn't going to call a us number w/ SIP ... | 01:54 | |
| timeless | if you have a skype account, you can try that number... | 01:55 |
| * nox- was unable to check the money in the prepaid account using his n900... | 01:55 | |
| timeless | err | 01:55 |
| timeless | that is *not* DTMF | 01:55 |
| nox- | oh | 01:55 |
| timeless | loser | 01:55 |
| nox- | asks me to hit a 2 or something | 01:55 |
| timeless | anyway, try using skype to call the number above | 01:55 |
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| timeless | skype doesn't bill you for toll free numbers | 01:56 |
| timeless | so you can use that to confirm for yourself that DTMF works | 01:56 |
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| nox- | what does gsm/3g use when you hit digits during a call? | 01:56 |
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| timeless | typically when people complain about prepaid checks, they aren't asking about dtmft | 01:57 |
| timeless | s/dtmft/dtmf/ | 01:57 |
| infobot | timeless meant: typically when people complain about prepaid checks, they aren't asking about dtmf | 01:57 |
| timeless | they typically are complaining about USSD iirc | 01:57 |
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| timeless | however, part of the support for USSD was included w/ PR1.2 too | 01:58 |
| timeless | anyway | 01:58 |
| timeless | 1. what version of Maemo 5 are you using? | 01:58 |
| timeless | 2. please get a skype account and try that number | 01:58 |
| PolarFox | btw... xscreensaver live backgrounds are cool. | 01:58 |
| * timeless pokes polarfox: | 01:59 | |
| timeless | it's 2am, i'm willing to call you, but i need a phone number :) | 01:59 |
| nox- | ah no doesnt look like that, here you just dial a number and it talks to you, `hit 1 to check balance, hit 2 to enter a cashcode... etc' | 01:59 |
| timeless | hrm | 02:00 |
| timeless | again, please answer the above questions | 02:00 |
| timeless | if you're running old firmware, you're wasting everyone's time | 02:00 |
| nox- | i _think_ i have 1.2 | 02:00 |
| timeless | and if you don't confirm for yourself that DTMF works, ... | 02:00 |
| timeless | open settings, go to about product (it's at the bottom) | 02:00 |
| timeless | it'll give you a long number, if it starts 10.<...> it's pr1.2 | 02:00 |
| timeless | if it starts w/ a number less than 10, it's old | 02:01 |
| nox- | yeah says 10.2010.19-1 | 02:01 |
| timeless | ok | 02:01 |
| timeless | so you have 1.2 | 02:01 |
| timeless | now, grab a skype account :) | 02:01 |
| nox- | dont have one :) | 02:01 |
| timeless | unless you're in the US ... in which case you could just call direct :) | 02:01 |
| timeless | they're free! | 02:01 |
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| nox- | mm.. maybe another time :) | 02:02 |
| timeless | nox: ok, is the number something you can share? | 02:02 |
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| nox- | hm i think its internal to the operator's network | 02:04 |
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| * timeless grumbles | 02:07 | |
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| timeless | can you at least reveal your operator? | 02:07 |
| timeless | (and country) | 02:07 |
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| timeless | users really suck | 02:07 |
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| nox- | germany, pennymobil which uses tmobile's network (and that number) | 02:08 |
| nox- | (i was still looking for the number...) | 02:08 |
| timeless | ... how can you be looking for the number? | 02:08 |
| MohammadAG51 | my number is in the logs somewhere xD | 02:08 |
| timeless | surely your n900 knows it if you've called it and haven't succeeded in getting what you want done | 02:09 |
| timeless | if you tap and hold on a call entry you can open contact card | 02:09 |
| nox- | number seems to be 2000 | 02:10 |
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| timeless | heh | 02:10 |
| timeless | yeah, that's not a portable number :) | 02:10 |
| nox- | yeah | 02:10 |
| timeless | is pennymobil pay as you go? | 02:10 |
| timeless | it shouldn't be hard for us to get someone in .de to pick one up | 02:10 |
| timeless | we have regular transits between .de and .fi | 02:10 |
| nox- | tmobile xtracard uses the same one i think | 02:11 |
| nox- | (but pennymobil is cheaper) | 02:11 |
| timeless | heck, i could probably get someone from the maps team (based in .de) to do basic testing | 02:11 |
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| timeless | http://www.pennymobil.de/ is ugly fwiw | 02:12 |
| nox- | hehe yeah | 02:12 |
| nox- | i was just looking for an affordable data plan for rare use... | 02:13 |
| nox- | (3 dm/day) | 02:13 |
| nox- | err eur | 02:13 |
| nox- | (since most of the time i have wifi) | 02:13 |
| PolarFox | Yeah.. microphone works but speaker & headphone don't.. | 02:13 |
| Jaffa | X-Fade: ping | 02:13 |
| Jaffa | X-Fade: I've had that fscking annoying, stupid, Midgard bug again where it says "URL name (internal) Given name is not "clean", try 'conference-november-dublin-registration_open_and_time_running_out_for_papers'" | 02:14 |
| PolarFox | I can't hear anything from N900 but I can hear what is said to N900 mic | 02:14 |
| Jaffa | X-Fade: Which is fantastic, but I can't edit the stupid thing. | 02:14 |
| PolarFox | Now tested with normal call and skype call | 02:14 |
| timeless | sounds like pulse being helpful | 02:14 |
| timeless | nox: it looks like one can grab a pennymobil for 5eur | 02:14 |
| timeless | which for testing wouldn't be a problem | 02:15 |
| celesteh | Is it possible to install ubuntu packages on debian on the n900? | 02:15 |
| timeless | celesteh: in theory | 02:15 |
| MohammadAG51 | why not install debian packages on debian... | 02:15 |
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| nox- | hm i think it was 9 eur or so | 02:15 |
| timeless | keep in mind that package dependencies and package layouts don't give you a good chance of happiness | 02:15 |
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| timeless | nox: not a big deal either way :) | 02:15 |
| celesteh | The only working PPA thing for supercollider is the one for the pure:dyne distro | 02:15 |
| MohammadAG51 | especially launchpad | 02:15 |
| timeless | nox: anyway, DMTF and limitted USSD should both be present in pr1.2 | 02:16 |
| nox- | and btw you can enter a cashcode using *101*<code># too, just not check the balance | 02:16 |
| timeless | which means there's something 'interesting' going on | 02:16 |
| nox- | heh | 02:16 |
| celesteh | https://launchpad.net/~puredyne-team/+archive/ppa | 02:17 |
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| nox- | oh, wrong number, its 9577 on pennymobil | 02:18 |
| timeless | either way, that number would require a sim... | 02:18 |
| nox- | yeah | 02:19 |
| timeless | nothing i can test from here | 02:19 |
| nox- | yep | 02:19 |
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| * Jaffa wonders if the netbook battery will last longer than it takes Midgard to save a page. | 02:20 | |
| alterego | Heh | 02:20 |
| Jaffa | Yay. "Connection reset by peer". I broke it! | 02:21 |
| MohammadAG51 | lol | 02:21 |
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| sp3000 | stop peering at your connection then | 02:23 |
| sp3000 | they can be shy like that | 02:24 |
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| Jaffa | Yay, it saved: http://maemo.org/community/council/meego-conference-2011/ | 02:32 |
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| practisevoodoo | has anyone else been having trouble getting the diablo firmware for the n810? the website is complaining that my id number is wrong | 02:53 |
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| Jaffa | http://maemo.org/community/council/meego-conference-2010/ - deleted the other one | 02:55 |
| MohammadAG51 | hmm | 02:55 |
| MohammadAG51 | my device says Cellular network not available for USSD codes | 02:55 |
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| pigeon | on the n900, does the wifi or bluetooth use more power? | 02:58 |
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| TermanaN900 | morning | 03:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer | nox-: what's the problem? | 03:08 |
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| nox- | the dtmf problem? | 03:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | mhm | 03:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | over GSM or SIP? | 03:09 |
| nox- | gsm | 03:09 |
| nox- | or 3g in this case | 03:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | should 'just work' | 03:09 |
| nox- | heh | 03:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | call arbitrary number, press arbitrary key on DTMF keypad, listen to tone coming in on far end | 03:10 |
| * nox- wanted to check balance on pennymobil prepaid, said press $digit and keypad wasnt recognized... | 03:11 | |
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| DocScrutinizer | I'm not sure if DTMF for GSM is generated in linux domain or in cellmo domain, or even transmitted out of band over GSM | 03:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer | but for sure doesn't depend on nmber you're caling | 03:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | nox-: tried reboot? | 03:12 |
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| nox- | hmm maybe some #s listen for dtmf and others for special out of band signals? | 03:12 |
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| nox- | nope | 03:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | nope | 03:12 |
| timeless | http://tomch.com/wp/?p=116 | 03:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | there's just no oob signalling to far end termination | 03:13 |
| timeless | rtpmux: rtpdtmfmux: RTP muxer | 03:13 |
| timeless | dtmf: dtmfsrc: DTMF tone generator | 03:13 |
| timeless | dtmf: rtpdtmfsrc: RTP DTMF packet generator | 03:13 |
| timeless | dtmf: rtpdtmfdepay: RTP DTMF packet depayloader | 03:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | *nod* | 03:13 |
| timeless | they're done by gstreamer iiuc | 03:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's SIP though | 03:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | partially | 03:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | dtmfsrc probably is gstreamer interface | 03:14 |
| nox- | <DocScrutinizer> there's just no oob signalling to far end termination - even if `far end' is within operator's own network? | 03:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes, even then | 03:14 |
| nox- | hm ok | 03:14 |
| raster | DocScrutinizer: docz! | 03:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | lemme put it that way: you're supposed to be able to feed DTMF into MT via acoustic coupling of a signal generator | 03:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | lo rasterman! | 03:15 |
| timeless | http://www.gsm-modem.de/dtmf-gsm.html | 03:15 |
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| timeless | is vaguely amusing | 03:15 |
| nox- | well what shall i say, now it works o_O | 03:15 |
| konfoo | oh feeding dtmf tones | 03:15 |
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| konfoo | happy times, fond memories | 03:15 |
| timeless | nox: it works now? heh | 03:16 |
| nox- | maybe it really just needed a reboot | 03:16 |
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| timeless | if gstreamer is unhappy | 03:17 |
| timeless | it wouldn't shock me... | 03:17 |
| nox- | heh | 03:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | nox-: and even if there's some ootb signaling of DTMF on GSM, then for sure N900 is supposed to do all signaling pathes in parallel, just like it's usually done on SIP | 03:17 |
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| raster | DocScrutinizer: how gooes? | 03:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer | raster: starving | 03:17 |
| nox- | DocScrutinizer, well it works now, probably just gstreamer was unhappy or something like that | 03:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep | 03:18 |
| konfoo | got some cheez-its here | 03:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | known effect | 03:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | (though not paricularly on N900 :-P) | 03:18 |
| nox- | hehe | 03:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | on 6210 there was that bug that broke DTMF on dunno (anymore) what. Anyway it still played DTMF via earpiece transducer, but didn't send them anymore | 03:20 |
| raster | DocScrutinizer: eats! go get some grub! | 03:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm, late at night here, and also broke | 03:21 |
| raster | ooh that sucketh :( | 03:22 |
| nox- | :( | 03:22 |
| SpeedEvil | GSM handles non-voice very poorly. | 03:24 |
| SpeedEvil | At least the base codecs. | 03:24 |
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| nox- | is 3g better? | 03:24 |
| SpeedEvil | They're designed to only reproduce sounds that can be emitted by the human throat. | 03:24 |
| nox- | yeah | 03:24 |
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| SpeedEvil | So it can't do DTMF well. | 03:24 |
| SpeedEvil | Hence it goes out of band | 03:25 |
| SpeedEvil | Out of band to the tower at least - the tower demodulates it into in band | 03:25 |
| nox- | ah | 03:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer | probably | 03:28 |
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| DocScrutinizer | though usually even GSM should be good enough for inband DTMF | 03:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | maybe not with standards conforming levels and precise frequencies, but it should be able to do | 03:29 |
| pigeon | the answer is not in the box, it's in the band. | 03:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | otoh usually even the MT detects inband DTMF and creates oob signalling for each detected event | 03:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | conversion to inband happens at gateway | 03:31 |
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| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: It doesn't work well | 03:33 |
| nox- | also it announces the balance right at the beginning of the call, i guess i was just curious of there also was an expiry date like with eplus prepaid... | 03:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | raster: thought about telling you... There's been a report in TV a few hours ago, there's really cheap nice old houses now, in several small villages of Bavaria | 03:33 |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: especially if there is any background noise. | 03:33 |
| nox- | s/of there/if there/ | 03:33 |
| infobot | nox- meant: also it announces the balance right at the beginning of the call, i guess i was just curious if there also was an expiry date like with eplus prepaid... | 03:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: yes. Noise floor is really a showstopper for GSM codecs | 03:35 |
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| DocScrutinizer | nox-: tried *100# ? | 03:36 |
| nox- | whats that? | 03:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | the 'frontpage' of *101*98498# | 03:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | at least on O2 | 03:37 |
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| nox- | whats 98498? | 03:37 |
| nox- | i guess these things are different on every overator... | 03:37 |
| nox- | operator even | 03:37 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ~101*<code># is what you stated will charge up your account | 03:39 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer: okay | 03:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~forget 101*<code># | 03:40 |
| infobot | i forgot 101*<code>#, DocScrutinizer | 03:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer | *101*<code># is what you stated will charge up your account | 03:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer | also you could test *#101# | 03:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | as well as *101# | 03:44 |
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| nox- | hey cool *100# does work | 03:47 |
| nox- | thx DocScrutinizer :) | 03:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | menu? | 03:48 |
| nox- | sayd `message: your balance is xxx' | 03:48 |
| nox- | said even | 03:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | mhm | 03:48 |
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| nox- | (and the cashcodes are much longer than five digits) | 03:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | yesyes | 03:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer | that ->http://share.ovi.com/media/joerg900.public/joerg900.10055 is what I get on *100#, with O2 Loop | 03:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | the menu points are equivalent to *101# ... *108# | 03:53 |
| nox- | i guess thats ussd then... | 03:53 |
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| nox- | btw whats `pack to go'? | 03:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep USSD | 03:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | and also equiv to *100*1# ... *100*8# | 03:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | no idea | 03:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | charging is *103*<code># iirc | 03:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | for o2 Loop | 03:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | *101# is query | 03:56 |
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| nox-- | http://www.prepaid-wiki.de/index.php5?title=Pack-to-go | 03:58 |
| nox-- | crazy stuff... | 03:58 |
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| DocScrutinizer | hmm that flatrates for calls may be nice, but for my data flat I prefer a loop-up30, which pais for the 25EUR INTERNET-L and also gives me 30EUR bonus for voice. Better deal than 25EUR internet pack-to-go L | 04:02 |
| zeltak | hi guya..i have a weird thing going on..i cant switch to any profile apart from "silent"..the general profile is avilable in settings but i cant switch to it.. | 04:05 |
| zeltak | has anyone come across such a thing? | 04:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | nope | 04:06 |
| nox- | http://www.prepaid-wiki.de/index.php5?title=PENNY_MOBIL (sorry for de) | 04:06 |
| zeltak | thx DocScrutinizer ..i guess ill post in the forums..very annoying since i cant hear calls..its always on silent :( | 04:08 |
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| nox- | tried a reboot? | 04:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | strange | 04:08 |
| zeltak | nox-: rebooted a couple of times | 04:09 |
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| nox- | :( | 04:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | maybe you have installed some automatic profile switcher? | 04:09 |
| zeltak | i used a progeam called alarmed thats uses cron to switch profiles based on time..i susupect that did it..i uninstalled it and rebooted but still no go | 04:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | or something like tweakr and that messed up your standard profile? | 04:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | alarmed is pretty nice, and I doubt it will do such things, but... | 04:10 |
| zeltak | hmm yeah i do have tweaker | 04:11 |
| zeltak | ill try to uninstall that to | 04:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | anyway, maybe you did some mess in standard profile, and now it refuses to stich to that as it's borked? | 04:11 |
| zeltak | some mes..dont think i ever played with it at all | 04:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | tweakr, should enable you to create another profile and see if you can swtich to that one | 04:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | s/stich/switch | 04:12 |
| zeltak | i see | 04:13 |
| zeltak | ill re-instal it then..lol :) | 04:13 |
| zeltak | ehhh..uninstalling tweakr fixed it :).. DocScrutinizer" you de man" :) | 04:15 |
| zeltak | thx | 04:16 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I must be dreaming. SSU Updates on N810 :-D | 04:40 |
| SpeedEvil | wow. | 04:45 |
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| N900dude | i missed a call today because of the stupid n900 | 04:54 |
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| N900dude | the brick is becoming more and more slow and laggy everyday | 04:55 |
| N900dude | any clues dudes? | 04:57 |
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| timeless | did you install crap recently? | 05:02 |
| timeless | shiny crap can still be crap.. | 05:02 |
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| luke-jr | N900dude: reboot it every so oftne | 05:20 |
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| * luke-jr thinks his N900 is delusional | 05:21 | |
| luke-jr | it thinks the battery level is going up without being on charge… | 05:21 |
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| N900dude | so disappointing the n900 is | 05:23 |
| N900dude | 1.2pr was a big freaking joke | 05:24 |
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| nox- | do you happen to have larg(ish) trees of files on there? | 05:24 |
| Funnyface | it was a big disappointment that they wouldn't officially release meego for the N900 yes, but apart from that I am happy with the device | 05:24 |
| timeless | nox: ignore n900dude | 05:25 |
| timeless | he's a troll | 05:25 |
| nox- | :( | 05:25 |
| timeless | funnyface: don't feed the troll | 05:25 |
| Funnyface | great hardware, great display, great battery time | 05:25 |
| luke-jr | timeless: he's not wrong | 05:25 |
| Funnyface | hehe ok :P | 05:25 |
| luke-jr | it does get very slow over time | 05:25 |
| luke-jr | I think something's leaking memory | 05:25 |
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| GeneralAntilles | luke-jr, somethings, not something's. . . . :( | 05:25 |
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| timeless | luke: pr1.2 was an update | 05:26 |
| N900dude | sure...fanbois.... missing calls because buttons are all fucked up is good in your eyes right? | 05:26 |
| timeless | it might not be perfect, but it was an update | 05:26 |
| luke-jr | GeneralAntilles: why are you trying to teach me bad grammar? | 05:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | timeless, in many ways it was more regression than update. | 05:26 |
| luke-jr | timeless: I can't comment on that statement, mine came with PR 1.2 | 05:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | luke-jr, no, my point was several things are clearly leaking, not just one. :P | 05:26 |
| timeless | gan: really? | 05:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | timeless, really. | 05:26 |
| timeless | luke: wow | 05:26 |
| Funnyface | something's is correct :P | 05:26 |
| luke-jr | GeneralAntilles: then correct it without ruining my grammar? :P | 05:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | Funnyface, of course it's correct. | 05:26 |
| * timeless didn't know we'd shipped n900s w/ 1.2 | 05:26 | |
| GeneralAntilles | It was wordplay. | 05:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yeesh | 05:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | timeless, you don't. | 05:27 |
| N900dude | actually...considering nokia is dumping maemo why am i surprised 1.2 was/is shit ? | 05:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | timeless, http://wiki.maemo.org/Fremantle_Developer_Device_Queue | 05:27 |
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| GeneralAntilles | N900dude, because, like many of us, despite 5 years of repeated and forceful demonstrations to the contrary, we still kind of believe Nokia might do the right thing? | 05:27 |
| N900dude | unreal | 05:28 |
| Funnyface | I'd take the N900 just for the hardware to be honest, it's a great device | 05:28 |
| luke-jr | Funnyface: I think I can agree with that, except for the closed specs | 05:28 |
| N900dude | basic functionality of answering an incoming phone call is fucked up.... i dont have a lot of stuff installed... the n900 just is getting worse over time | 05:28 |
| timeless | n900: i'm pretty sure 1.2 more or less predated meego | 05:29 |
| luke-jr | N900dude: it's not a phone. don't expect it to act like one. | 05:29 |
| timeless | so that's not a useful connection | 05:29 |
| N900dude | luke-jr: you're joking right? | 05:29 |
| luke-jr | N900dude: no | 05:29 |
| timeless | i mean, you're welcome to draw whatever random conclusions you like | 05:29 |
| timeless | but that one's a bit too far out there | 05:29 |
| N900dude | luke-jr: then why have the phone functionality if it's going to be fucked up? | 05:29 |
| timeless | oddly, that's called demand | 05:30 |
| luke-jr | N900dude: it wasn't going to originally, that was just added because it was trivial | 05:30 |
| timeless | why do you think nokia made the booklet, which has an integrated cellular modem? | 05:30 |
| timeless | it isn't a phone | 05:30 |
| timeless | but it has a modem | 05:30 |
| Funnyface | N900dude: it's a tablet with phone functionality. the core of the layout of the UI isn't supposed to be the same as what you see on a "phone" where the "phone" features are the easiest accessible ones | 05:30 |
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| timeless | nokia decided there was some demand | 05:30 |
| luke-jr | original N900 specs said data-only ;) | 05:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | luke-jr, that was more PR than anything. | 05:31 |
| N900dude | I am just curious: are there any non fanbois in this chat room ? | 05:31 |
| luke-jr | N900dude: me | 05:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | luke-jr, original specs said the next device would SUPPORT data. | 05:31 |
| luke-jr | everyone here knows I'm very cricial of Nokia | 05:31 |
| luke-jr | but I stick to real criticism :P | 05:31 |
| timeless | n900dude: luke-jr generally bashes nokia | 05:31 |
| timeless | but he has fairly reasonable arguments | 05:31 |
| Funnyface | N900dude: it's a bit like expecting your laptop to be a landline phone, just because it has a dialup modem in it | 05:31 |
| timeless | gan is not a fanbois, he is also a criitic | 05:31 |
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| timeless | but he too has grounds | 05:31 |
| timeless | i'm not even a heavy promoter | 05:32 |
| SpeedEvil | My n900 does not get slow over time | 05:32 |
| luke-jr | SpeedEvil: interesting | 05:32 |
| timeless | i'm an employee, but that doesn't mean i endorse everything it does | 05:32 |
| N900dude | Funnyface: you work for nokia by chance? you sound like you do | 05:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | SpeedEvil, I find rebooting about once a day works here. . . . | 05:32 |
| * luke-jr just dumped his ps -eo size,args to a file, and will try comparing it in a few days | 05:32 | |
| SpeedEvil | GeneralAntilles: I'm an unusual user I suspect. | 05:32 |
| Funnyface | N900dude: nah, I'm just some random N900 owner | 05:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | SpeedEvil, I need to track down exactly what's eating all the RAM. | 05:32 |
| SpeedEvil | GeneralAntilles: I never make calls, ... | 05:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | I don't really, either. | 05:33 |
| * luke-jr makes calls over SIP | 05:33 | |
| SpeedEvil | apt-get remove modest freed some RAM for me | 05:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | Maybe once every few days. | 05:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ha | 05:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | I use Modest, though. | 05:33 |
| luke-jr | SpeedEvil: that might be worth trying, actually | 05:33 |
| luke-jr | I setup Modest, but I never use it in practice | 05:33 |
| SpeedEvil | I don't. It does use a quite significant amount of RAM. | 05:33 |
| timeless | one of my n900s has 2d5h uptime | 05:34 |
| luke-jr | more annoying to me than the leak, though, is that Telepathy seems to screw up my accounts | 05:34 |
| luke-jr | I get Network Error all the time for no reason | 05:34 |
| luke-jr | tcpdump shows it never even *attempts* to connect | 05:34 |
| timeless | the other only 19h | 05:34 |
| timeless | that tends to be because i forget to plug them in overnight | 05:34 |
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| Funnyface | is http://84.49.158.66/ accessible to you if you don't mind testing it? :> | 05:34 |
| SpeedEvil | luke-jr: Isn't the internet framework wonderful. | 05:34 |
| luke-jr | timeless: heh, I've done that a few times when the battery is lasting a long time :P | 05:35 |
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| luke-jr | SpeedEvil: no? | 05:35 |
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| nox- | Funnyface, says `test' | 05:36 |
| Funnyface | nox-: great, it works then. thanks | 05:36 |
| nox- | windows webserver? | 05:37 |
| Funnyface | I just dump files and photos into it, I don't really host anything significant | 05:38 |
| nox- | heh ok | 05:39 |
| luke-jr | who uses Windows? | 05:39 |
| nox- | .oO(windows was never made to be a server...) | 05:39 |
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| Funnyface | my ISP sent me a new pain in the ass modem where port forwarding didn't work properly, and the NAT engine was generally sluggish and crashing. but I finally figured out how to disable it all to let my access point deal with it all | 05:39 |
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| nox- | aah :) | 05:40 |
| * nox- uses freebsd as router (and now ap too for the n900) | 05:40 | |
| luke-jr | Funnyface: NAT is an ugly hack | 05:40 |
| timeless | luke: i do :) | 05:40 |
| luke-jr | just use IPv6 | 05:40 |
| luke-jr | timeless: fail -.- | 05:40 |
| timeless | it's one of the few platforms w/ decent debuggers and compilers | 05:40 |
| luke-jr | lol? | 05:40 |
| Funnyface | luke-jr: yep, that's the exact wording I use too :P | 05:40 |
| Funnyface | but without it, chances are we wouldn't have been chatting here right now ^^ | 05:41 |
| Funnyface | I liked my old ISP a lot | 05:41 |
| timeless | seriously | 05:41 |
| luke-jr | Funnyface: … | 05:41 |
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| Funnyface | I didn't need NAT with them, they just gave me a simple ethernet bridge modem, where IP ran directly on top of that ethernet | 05:41 |
| Funnyface | I could practically get as many WAN IPs as I wanted | 05:42 |
| nox- | wow | 05:42 |
| Funnyface | no PPPoE connection, just plain IP over ethernet :P | 05:42 |
| * SpeedEvil has static IP. | 05:42 | |
| SpeedEvil | I could have got 8 IPs if I'd have asked for free. | 05:42 |
| N900dude | its funny how you come here with a legitimate issue like the phone functionality being screwed up and the nokia defenders all come out of the woodwork with comments like : " i dont use phone " | 05:42 |
| SpeedEvil | But I suspect not now. | 05:42 |
| SpeedEvil | N900: I am not defending the problems with phone functionality. | 05:43 |
| * nox- has dynamic v4 ip which shortly disconnects every 24h... | 05:43 | |
| nox- | single ip | 05:43 |
| SpeedEvil | N900dude: It's just I can't really comment, as I have recieved 2 calls on it. | 05:43 |
| Funnyface | the only issue I had was that my computers could end up on different subnets, so traffic between them didn't go straight over my LAN | 05:43 |
| N900dude | SpeedEvil: fair enough | 05:43 |
| Funnyface | instead it went through my ISP's network and back to me | 05:43 |
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| lpotter | funny how n900 phone works for me | 05:44 |
| angasule | timeless: what's a good debugger for windows? | 05:45 |
| nox- | hey angasule :) | 05:45 |
| N900dude | lpotter: funny how it's tottaly messed up for me | 05:45 |
| nox- | i guess most windows ppl use the ms tools... | 05:46 |
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| angasule | hey nox! | 05:46 |
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| angasule | nox-: I have been using VS for a few months now, and it kinda sucks... too slow | 05:46 |
| luke-jr | N900dude: I just think it's foolish to buy something that isn't made to be a phone, then complain it isn't a good phone. | 05:47 |
| Funnyface | N900dude: I am not sure what you expected when you bought your N900, but I get the impression that you've got the wrong device | 05:47 |
| luke-jr | it wasn't designed to be a good phone, *of course* it won't be a good phone | 05:47 |
| Funnyface | lol luke, we have the same minds :P | 05:47 |
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| N900dude | you people are unbelievable | 05:48 |
| Funnyface | anyway personally I think an iPhone would fit better for you :P | 05:48 |
| luke-jr | N900dude: if someone sold it to you as a phone, complain to them | 05:48 |
| luke-jr | Funnyface: no, Android | 05:48 |
| luke-jr | I wouldn't wish an iPhone on anyone | 05:48 |
| luke-jr | that's just outright hatred | 05:48 |
| * lpotter is on N900dude 's side about the n900 being a phone | 05:48 | |
| * nox- also no fanboi, i mostly just wanted a `replacement' for my zaurus... | 05:49 | |
| lpotter | if it does voice calls, its a phone | 05:49 |
| N900dude | go on...laugh....you folks can only hope that your little maemo, mego or whatever the fuck nokia calls it today can compete with android/ios | 05:49 |
| luke-jr | lpotter: I never realized my desktop was a phone! | 05:49 |
| luke-jr | N900dude: it's not supposed to compete with Android or IOS | 05:49 |
| SpeedEvil | It is sold as a phone by many vendors. Claiming it is not a phone is insane. | 05:50 |
| N900dude | luke-jr: are you for real dude???? | 05:50 |
| luke-jr | nox-: as a Zaurus replacement, I am VERY disappointed in NITs :P | 05:50 |
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| luke-jr | N900dude: it's not. Symbian competes with Android/IOS. | 05:50 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | luke-jr: any call for the doc? | 05:50 |
| luke-jr | doc? | 05:50 |
| N900dude | luke-jr: you're comparing desktop computing to a mobile device ? | 05:50 |
| nox- | NITs? | 05:50 |
| luke-jr | nox-: Nokia Internet Tablets | 05:50 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | smells like trolling | 05:50 |
| nox- | oh | 05:50 |
| luke-jr | N900dude: that's what I want it for | 05:50 |
| N900dude | luke-jr: but thats you | 05:51 |
| luke-jr | N900dude: it's also much closer to what it was designed to be | 05:51 |
| luke-jr | and fits within the scope of how it is marketted | 05:51 |
| luke-jr | "raw computing power" and all | 05:52 |
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| nox- | angasule, yeah IDEs usually are resource hogs... | 05:53 |
| angasule | nox-: VS is too much of a hog, I love my vim | 05:54 |
| N900dude | the n900 is a piece of shit.... you all know it.... hopefully nokia can learn from mistakes and n9 will be better | 05:54 |
| nox- | angasule, yeah i mostly use vim too :) | 05:55 |
| * DocScrutinizer51 shrugs, mumbles amas long as you have fun' and turns back to TV | 05:56 | |
| ieatlint | N900dude: weren't you in here a few days ago trolling the channel about how dissatisfied you were and complaining that not everyone else was so upset? | 05:56 |
| Funnyface | get the right device for the right purpose | 05:56 |
| Funnyface | comments like that sound so immature to be honest | 05:56 |
| ieatlint | we get the point -- you don't like it, few people in here if any give a fuck, least of all nokia | 05:56 |
| N900dude | ieatlint: no. you're mistaking me with another one of thousands dissatisfied n900 customers | 05:56 |
| angasule | N900dude: give me your n900, I won't complain. | 05:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | ieatlint: exctly | 05:56 |
| N900dude | angasule: give me your address... i will send you my n900....just to prove my point that it's a piece of shit | 05:58 |
| luke-jr | N900dude: hey, I'll take it… :P | 05:59 |
| lpotter | no, the 3 skype phone by Amoi was a POS | 05:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | N900dude: either you stop this negative useless statements immediately, or find at least 5 chan users to vote for you, or get kicked in a second | 05:59 |
| luke-jr | would be handy for my wife to have one | 05:59 |
| N900dude | you know what .... i will post an ebay auction for $1 for my N900... just to show you that I'm not lyuing | 05:59 |
| luke-jr | … | 05:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | 5 | 05:59 |
| N900dude | DocScrutinizer: who are you dude? | 05:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | 4 | 05:59 |
| luke-jr | that would go for $300 or so I bet | 05:59 |
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| Funnyface | N900dude: what were you hoping to get when you ordered yours? | 06:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | 3 | 06:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | 2 | 06:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | 1 | 06:00 |
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| *** N900dude was kicked by DocScrutinizer (WTF?!) | 06:00 | |
| luke-jr | hey, you said kick not ban | 06:00 |
| luke-jr | I'll vote he get another chance :P | 06:00 |
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| ieatlint | funny how the most response he gets is when he offers to give the device out | 06:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | k | 06:00 |
| luke-jr | ieatlint: haha true | 06:00 |
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| angasule | I just wish the offer were real :P | 06:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: honestly? | 06:01 |
| luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: shrug. | 06:01 |
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| Funnyface | wb | 06:01 |
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| N900dude_ | hello peeps | 06:01 |
| Funnyface | or is that another "dude"? :P | 06:01 |
| ieatlint | found that change nick command, eh? | 06:02 |
| N900dude_ | why was i banned ? | 06:02 |
| Funnyface | you're not banned now | 06:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | don't you even read this chan, just troll? | 06:02 |
| N900dude_ | no....can we please have a constructive conversation? | 06:03 |
| luke-jr | he asked why he was, not why he is | 06:03 |
| luke-jr | … | 06:03 |
| Funnyface | anyway, maybe someone can suggest a device for you if you tell us what need or expect from a device | 06:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | maybe you missed it | 06:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | [2010-08-17 04:59:12] <DocScrutinizer> N900dude: either you stop this negative useless statements immediately, or find at least 5 chan users to vote for you, or get kicked in a second | 06:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer | just in case | 06:03 |
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| N900dude_ | no.... i dont want iphone or android... i want to know why phone functionality on n900 is fucked up and how to fix it | 06:04 |
| lpotter | whats wrong with it? | 06:04 |
| Funnyface | how is it fucked up? | 06:04 |
| luke-jr | N900dude_: so you don't want a phone? | 06:04 |
| Funnyface | not working? or just awkward to use in your preference? | 06:04 |
| N900dude_ | i want both | 06:04 |
| luke-jr | phone platforms are Symbian, iPhone, and Android | 06:04 |
| N900dude_ | i want maemo/meego | 06:04 |
| Funnyface | well you have it.. so..? | 06:05 |
| luke-jr | N900dude_: you want something that can be a good phone AND a good handheld computer? | 06:05 |
| N900dude_ | yes | 06:05 |
| luke-jr | no such device exists today. sorry. | 06:05 |
| N900dude_ | n900 aint it | 06:06 |
| luke-jr | let me know if you find one | 06:06 |
| * lpotter wonders whats wrong with the phone functionality | 06:06 | |
| * DocScrutinizer as well | 06:06 | |
| luke-jr | lpotter: lag at least | 06:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | lag? | 06:06 |
| luke-jr | takes a good 5 seconds or so to answer calls | 06:06 |
| luke-jr | etc | 06:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | lol, not here | 06:06 |
| lpotter | not on my phone | 06:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | maybe on gentoo | 06:06 |
| luke-jr | rotation is a coin flip too | 06:06 |
| luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: no, I don't do calls on Gentoo yet | 06:06 |
| luke-jr | ☺ | 06:06 |
| luke-jr | built Telepathy, but not an actual UI yet | 06:07 |
| Funnyface | the problems I find with the phone stuff is that it's a bit awkward to access it compared to a phone, but that's to be expected. apart from that, when someone phones me, the interface might lag, taking >5 secs before I am able to respond to it | 06:07 |
| luke-jr | most of the delay is the stupid rotation crap though, so Gentoo should be fine | 06:07 |
| Funnyface | and also, sometimes the screen goes black just as I try to press the green button on the screen, not sure why it does that, but it's annoying as well :p | 06:07 |
| luke-jr | Funnyface: proxmity? | 06:08 |
| Funnyface | that's what I can come up with. | 06:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm, two users complaining about >5s lag on accepting phonecalls, 2 users WFM... There's something... | 06:08 |
| luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: does your N900 rotate to portrait on incoming calls? | 06:08 |
| N900dude_ | today i missed yet another phone call because of how n900 handles voice calls | 06:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | usually, though granted it's sometimes jerky | 06:08 |
| Funnyface | luke-jr: yeah, it's stupid that they made it that way I mean :P | 06:08 |
| luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: that process usually takes 5 seconds or so | 06:09 |
| luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: I also have Maemo configured to *never* rotate to portrait | 06:09 |
| nox- | 5s lag probably happens when its swapping? | 06:09 |
| luke-jr | go figure why it insists on it | 06:09 |
| luke-jr | nox-: Maemo is *always* swapping… | 06:09 |
| nox- | heh | 06:09 |
| nox- | well, swapping more than usual then | 06:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: when I set it to no autorotation, it does exactly that | 06:10 |
| luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: it does that for me maybe 50% of the time I make outbound calls | 06:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | and lag on autorotation is - in my book - due to g-meter smoothing things | 06:10 |
| Funnyface | speaking of swapping, will the swapping eventually wear out the memory of the device, or does it last for so long that the write cycles of it are insignificant? | 06:10 |
| luke-jr | g-meter? | 06:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | Funnyface: just forget about wear | 06:11 |
| luke-jr | Funnyface: apparently the CPU will go first | 06:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | g like acceleration | 06:11 |
| Funnyface | hmm | 06:11 |
| luke-jr | Funnyface: also, Maemo will barf if you put swap on external ☹ | 06:11 |
| N900dude_ | i see on tmo there's more people with the same issue | 06:12 |
| luke-jr | which I'd love to do just for the added speed | 06:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer | heard you can customize transitions | 06:12 |
| nox- | bbl | 06:13 |
| luke-jr | notably, Gentoo with the Maemo kernel can handle external swap fine | 06:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | never felt like being urged to do ut... but if you like to have a look, it's documented somewhere | 06:13 |
| luke-jr | no idea how Maemo userland screws it up | 06:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: what external? uSD? | 06:14 |
| luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: MicroSD | 06:14 |
| nox- | o_O gentoo on n900? compiling that much on the wimpy cpu? | 06:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | you think it's so much faster? | 06:14 |
| luke-jr | nox-: I have Gentoo on my N810 too | 06:14 |
| luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: it's slightly faster at least | 06:14 |
| nox- | wow | 06:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | slightly, yes | 06:14 |
| Funnyface | N900dude_: I was never happy about that bit either, but I don't rag down on the entire device only because of that.. simply because.. 1.. it's only an added bonus that it can do that on top of the other features, it's after all not a "phone".. 2. it's an otherwise great device | 06:15 |
| luke-jr | N810 is busy upgrading KDE to 4.4.5 tho | 06:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | Funnyface: why not just set to "autototate off; portrait mode" and then worry about more serious things? | 06:16 |
| nox- | luke-jr, how many days for that? :) | 06:16 |
| Funnyface | DocScrutinizer: because it's not something I worry too much about, I am just saying that N900dude has some valid points that I agree on. | 06:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | btw, the g-meter may get confused - on unknown reason - in a way it is seriously decalibrated and of course doesn't do correct orientation reading anymore. Due to nature of the circuit it seems, you need to remove battery to reset it | 06:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer | had that one time - ~0.5g offset on one axis | 06:19 |
| ShadowJK | luke-jr, suggest you also dump /proc/meminfo | 06:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | others reported similar problems | 06:19 |
| N900dude_ | lol | 06:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | lol? | 06:20 |
| Funnyface | ^^ | 06:20 |
| N900dude_ | here's the deal...phone functionality worked a little better for me on 1.1 ...it was still fucked up but at least i didnt miss any important calls...on 1.2 i miss calls all the time... it IS a big deal for some despite of some linux geeks discounting the problem | 06:23 |
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| ShadowJK | luke-jr, it only barfs because this particular version of the kernel has a bug in vfat. Try make a uSD with a swap partition, that works fine | 06:23 |
| luke-jr | nox-: dunno, I don't keep track | 06:24 |
| ShadowJK | And it's actually faster. However, the biggest reason why is that it's one less task for the emmc to deal with | 06:24 |
| luke-jr | ShadowJK: /proc/meminfo isn't diffable | 06:24 |
| luke-jr | ShadowJK: my MicroSD swap is a partition | 06:24 |
| luke-jr | it doesn't work fine, it panics | 06:24 |
| ShadowJK | WFM | 06:24 |
| luke-jr | :p | 06:24 |
| luke-jr | works for me for hours, but eventually panics | 06:25 |
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| ShadowJK | interesting | 06:25 |
| ShadowJK | How big is it? | 06:25 |
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| luke-jr | 1 GB IIRC | 06:25 |
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| ieatlint | someone i would think that swap on µsd would be slower than on the mtd, and use up more bandwidth on the system bus that could lag other things | 06:30 |
| ShadowJK | well you can't run swap on the mtd | 06:30 |
| ShadowJK | And the raw speed of it is less than that of emmc or a class 6 uSD c ard | 06:31 |
| ShadowJK | or atleast some benchmarks said that | 06:31 |
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| luke-jr | ieatlint: eMMC and external MicroSD are the same bus | 06:32 |
| luke-jr | and you can get faster MicroSD than the eMMC | 06:32 |
| ieatlint | well, i clearly thought wrong then :) | 06:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | swap on nand? Nand is not that huge, no? | 06:33 |
| luke-jr | NAND is tiny | 06:33 |
| ShadowJK | And without a new driver it'd be dead slow anyway.. | 06:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep, and due to the small size, wear will be way higher | 06:33 |
| luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: MMC/SD wear levelling is only within a 1024-block range anyway | 06:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | let aside insane wear multiplier caused by MMC blocksize | 06:34 |
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| DocScrutinizer | anyway, luke-jr could you investigate what's wrong with that autorotation thing. The disabling of it to be precise | 06:36 |
| luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: no clue how, and it doesn't bother me that much… | 06:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | nah, me as well | 06:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | WFM | 06:37 |
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| DocScrutinizer | autorotate is a kind of annoyance due to unpredictable lag until it triggers, otherwise no lag on inbound calls, whatever kind | 06:38 |
| ShadowJK | biggest lag is in my brain "wtf is that sound, my N900 doesn't usually make that" | 06:39 |
| ShadowJK | :P | 06:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | never noticed disabling autorotate and set to portrait fixed would still enable transitions on change of device orientation, so can't reproduce | 06:39 |
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| ShadowJK | Oh hey, discovered last friday that one of my coworkers' last job was testing nokia devices.. He told of how they discovered the headphone amp was always on, because the headphones made crackle-pop when you inserted plug | 06:40 |
| * ShadowJK tried plug in headphones in n900 and sure enough, crackle bang pop | 06:41 | |
| DocScrutinizer | my biggest lag is I love to listen to D.A.F Mussolini, so don't want to stop the ringtone :-P | 06:41 |
| ShadowJK | I suspect in N900 the amp either cna't power on without spiking, or then stuff is switchd on with volume at 11 | 06:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | and, tbh, somebody complaining he missed calls because a 5s lag (assuming there really is such lag) is a really poor pal. I'd not like to have such busy callers, they can go write me a postcard instead | 06:42 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: that's not an easy subject, but for sure should be manageable and amp should NOT be always on. That'd be a serious bug | 06:45 |
| ShadowJK | Amusingly, when I plug in extension cord first, and then headphones into extension cord, I get no crackle whatsoever. :P | 06:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | but there are some comparators on mic pin that always feed some voltage to it I'd think | 06:45 |
| ShadowJK | mm | 06:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | sure, that'w because your extension cord has no mic 4th wire, or it doesn't trigger the detection circuitry powering up the mic | 06:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | there's a switch mechanically detecting plug insertion. If plug is already inserted then most likely the comparators are disabled again, so no voltage of any kind on any of the 3 pins wrt gnd | 06:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | perfectly sensible explanation | 06:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | also indicating it's probably not the amp that is 'always on and crackling' | 06:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | I even dare you hear a click in left ear first, then a few ms later in right ear, depending on how fast you plug in the headset | 06:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer | anyway o/ | 06:51 |
| ShadowJK | Yes | 06:52 |
| ShadowJK | I think the left earbud was killed actually | 06:52 |
| ShadowJK | probably knocked the membrane loose | 06:52 |
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| DocScrutinizer | check your AV related sysnodes. maybe your receptacle has problems with contact, so not noticing plug had been pulled. This would enable TV-out on MIC ring, and that's actually almost a killer (could at least) for headsets plugged in during that | 06:55 |
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| DocScrutinizer | n8 | 06:56 |
| ShadowJK | it's hard to tell | 06:56 |
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| ShadowJK | I order these 5 pairs at a time, half come pre-broken and the remaining half fails in a month and the remaining half last a year before the plastic in the wire becomes too stiff and cuts the actual wire | 06:57 |
| ShadowJK | so it might actually be a pre-broken early fail one too | 06:57 |
| ShadowJK | Koss.. | 06:57 |
| ShadowJK | most tolerable I've found for work though :/ | 06:58 |
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| DangerMaus | lol ShadowJK neet to find something better | 07:00 |
| ShadowJK | I've considered trying shure | 07:01 |
| DangerMaus | what? has to be usa stuff? | 07:02 |
| DangerMaus | though prob all made in china | 07:02 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | c't recommends Phillips, for outdoor sports headset | 07:02 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | iirc | 07:02 |
| ShadowJK | no it doesn't have to be usa stuff | 07:02 |
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| ShadowJK | But it has to be iem, foam not silicone or rubber, and small enough to be worn comfortably under helmets, headpohnes, earmuffs, hearing protectors, etc | 07:04 |
| ShadowJK | shure seems to have yellow foam kit available | 07:04 |
| DangerMaus | as in hardhat? or milatary? | 07:05 |
| ShadowJK | i was thinking motorcycle type | 07:06 |
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| DangerMaus | ahh | 07:06 |
| DangerMaus | so tight | 07:06 |
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| DangerMaus | couple hundred more pair and you could of bought a helmet with it built in | 07:07 |
| DangerMaus | or had it made | 07:08 |
| ShadowJK | well I want one set that works in every situation, not a dozen different things depending on situation :p | 07:09 |
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| kerio | N900: headphone killer | 07:10 |
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| kerio | s/FUd/FUD/ | 07:10 |
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| kerio | *omnomnom* | 07:12 |
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| kirma | it's still a board dominated by "nokia is not paying enough attention on MY importance" drama queens on way too many threads | 07:38 |
| kirma | also, almost every thread shows completely utter lack of interest to actually do background research of any kind before going in and posting feelings and marketing-induced opinions as some sort of ultimate facts | 07:40 |
| Stskeeps | i read that as 'ultimate feces' | 07:41 |
| kirma | having extremely hard time understanding people that discuss the hardware matters without actually reading all the publicly available hardware datasheets for the device components for instance. :I | 07:43 |
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| Stskeeps | morn johnx | 07:47 |
| johnx | allo Stskeeps :D | 07:47 |
| johnx | what's new in the world? | 07:47 |
| Stskeeps | mm, no longer distmaster and transforming to a meego role where i can do more in practice about openness on n900 and so on | 07:47 |
| johnx | yup. saw the t.m.o post from Quim (I think) | 07:48 |
| johnx | I hear meego is continuing apace | 07:48 |
| johnx | I'm really happy to see that shaping up | 07:48 |
| Stskeeps | it's going forward, not as quickly as i would have hoped, but so it goes | 07:48 |
| johnx | it looks nice and quick from a casual observer's role. you should try it some time :D | 07:49 |
| Stskeeps | more fun to play with it :P | 07:49 |
| Stskeeps | hell has frozen over too and bme will be redistributable (though still closed) | 07:49 |
| johnx | Yeah. Even I'm having that inexplicable urge to dive back in | 07:49 |
| Brik | don't suppose anyone has run into problems downloading through browser? trying to dl from ovi store, download shows up but is stuck on 0% | 07:50 |
| Stskeeps | Brik: your wifi probably sucks | 07:50 |
| Stskeeps | Brik: as in | 07:50 |
| Stskeeps | ~wifi-psm | 07:50 |
| infobot | [wifi-psm] http://wiki.maemo.org/Wifi_Power_Saving_Mode_(PSM) | 07:50 |
| johnx | wow. and user support has gotten so friendly while I've been away :P | 07:51 |
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| Stskeeps | johnx: i'm really tempted to leave tmo these days, too :P | 07:51 |
| johnx | heh. haven't read it at all except through the lens of planet.maemo.org | 07:51 |
| Stskeeps | horrible place by now | 07:52 |
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| johnx | sad | 07:52 |
| johnx | so where is the hip place to hang out? | 07:52 |
| johnx | meego-dev? | 07:52 |
| Stskeeps | i guess forum.meego.com and #meego-arm | 07:52 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 07:52 |
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| ljp | nope. #qt-labs | 07:59 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 07:59 |
| Brik | Stskeeps: that fixed it, thanks :) | 08:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer | mhm | 08:08 |
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| Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: know of a working 'prelink' for ARM? | 08:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | err, sorry? | 08:09 |
| Stskeeps | the tool, prelink | 08:09 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 08:09 |
| ljp | I've used prelink on Zaurus | 08:09 |
| ljp | but that was before armeb | 08:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | aah, seem to recall somebody mentioned something like that, either here or on #meego-arm | 08:10 |
| johnx | ljp, in sharp ROM, openzaurus, oe/angstrom? | 08:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | btw: | 08:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~psm-fault | 08:10 |
| infobot | power save mode is a wifi thingie, has nothing to do with the screen. What it basically means is that the n810 is saying "I'm sleeping for 580ms, keep my messages 'till then", but the router doesn't understand this, and sends everything through immediately, and then the n810 asks "Hey bro, you got anything for me?" And the router doesn't reply, as it doesn't understand what he's asking... | 08:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | nice one, courtesy crashanddie | 08:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | or timeless? | 08:11 |
| ljp | johnx: oz and angstrom | 08:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: but no, really no idea about prelinking | 08:11 |
| johnx | Stskeeps, you might be in luck then, since OE might have some arm specific patches for prelink | 08:12 |
| Stskeeps | johnx: armel though | 08:12 |
| johnx | OE builds for every different ARM variant you've ever heard of | 08:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | yup | 08:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | linux for washing machines | 08:13 |
| Stskeeps | mm, true | 08:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | OM based on OE, maybe it was in that chan where I read 'prelink' a few days ago | 08:15 |
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| ljp | last time I tried compiling prelink for angstrom, there were alignment problems, but that was years ago | 08:15 |
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| johnx | unfortunately, I don't have anything running angstrom right now, but it looks like at least the package can be built | 08:17 |
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| ljp | I used to prelink the qtopia roms for om too now that I think about it | 08:19 |
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| johnx | OM? Sorry, drawing a blank right now... | 08:20 |
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| ljp | openmoko | 08:20 |
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| johnx | ah right. Almost jumped on that project, but I have feelings of anxiety and dread when holding a device without a physical keyboard (...) | 08:21 |
| DangerMaus | heh | 08:22 |
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| ieatlint | man, this really did turn into an om refugee channel | 08:22 |
| ljp | no, thats #meego | 08:23 |
| johnx | ieatlint, that and current or ex-Zaurus users :) | 08:23 |
| ieatlint | haha | 08:23 |
| ieatlint | i didn't get caught in zaurus at least | 08:23 |
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| * johnx 's feelings towards Sharp are not constructive | 08:24 | |
| ljp | understandable | 08:24 |
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| johnx | I mean, I was dead-set on hating them forever, then they released the netwalker ... | 08:25 |
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| johnx | Stskeeps, for what it's worth: http://cgit.openembedded.org/cgit.cgi/openembedded/tree/recipes/prelink | 08:26 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, i saw it | 08:26 |
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| Stskeeps | another case of not following upstream, we're in 2010 now | 08:27 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 08:27 |
| johnx | heh | 08:27 |
| johnx | well some of us are | 08:27 |
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| Stskeeps | morn tekojo | 08:28 |
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| tekojo | morning Stskeeps | 08:28 |
| * ljp thinks oe was terrible about upstream | 08:29 | |
| johnx | they put a lot on their plate | 08:30 |
| johnx | As I learned painfully, even doing some "minor" modifications to an established distro is an insane task | 08:30 |
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| * Stskeeps notes to himself prelink test cases fail spetacularly on arm | 08:38 | |
| Stskeeps | 40 out of 40 ;) | 08:38 |
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| johnx | wow. that's ... awesome | 08:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | 100% success :-P | 08:45 |
| ljp | at least its consistent | 08:45 |
| johnx | something about the difference between precision and accuracy | 08:46 |
| * DocScrutinizer suggesting to Stskeeps to do a humble query about prelink experience in #openmoko-cdevel | 08:46 | |
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| adalal | hey.. i downloaded osm2go, and mappero (maemo-mapper), but osm2go isn't importing the data from mappero, any ideas? | 09:41 |
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| smokie | When I start top, which process includes the linux ipstack? I want to estimate the ipstack performance requirements for some use cases. | 09:45 |
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| kerio | process? :/ | 09:46 |
| kerio | linux is not a microkernel | 09:46 |
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| johnx | I would start by looking at time spent in 'sys' | 09:47 |
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| smokie | I can't find "sys" in top or ps. I would expect it to be included in something which showed up in "[]" in ps. | 09:50 |
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| kerio | yay, new fcamera | 09:50 |
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| kerio | and it apparently supports titan's kernel | 09:50 |
| johnx | smokie, at the top, next to 'user' | 09:51 |
| johnx | in the line beginning 'CPU: ' | 09:52 |
| smokie | johnx, but this is not included on maemo (busybox) top .-( | 09:53 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | macman? | 09:54 |
| johnx | uhm, N800 or N900? | 09:54 |
| smokie | n810 | 09:54 |
| johnx | ah | 09:54 |
| smokie | is it in n900 ? | 09:54 |
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| johnx | alright, I'd believe that. I tested it on the N900 before replying :) | 09:54 |
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| smokie | ;) | 09:54 |
| * johnx should find his N800 charger again and get it booted | 09:54 | |
| DocScrutinizer51 | forget messybox, get decent tools :-D | 09:55 |
| * DocScrutinizer51 suggests htop for a start | 09:55 | |
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| adalal | hey.. i downloaded osm2go, and mappero (maemo-mapper), but osm2go isn't importing the data from mappero, any ideas? ... this is on maemo5.. . | 09:58 |
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| smokie | DocScrutinizer, thx. There is no explicite "sys" in maemo htop, but the CPU percentage is a start | 10:10 |
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| Khertan__ | ~ping | 10:26 |
| infobot | ~pong | 10:26 |
| Khertan__ | Morgen ! | 10:26 |
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| crashanddie | wtf, I have 15 mod points on slashdot | 11:15 |
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| johnx | crashanddie, with great power comes great responsibility. With small amounts of power though, no one really cares :P | 11:17 |
| crashanddie | haha, how you doing johnx? | 11:17 |
| johnx | pretty good | 11:17 |
| johnx | having fun at work, been playing with embedded linux again recently | 11:18 |
| johnx | what about you? | 11:18 |
| crashanddie | where you at these days? | 11:18 |
| johnx | actually working in redmond, wa. but not for the company you think :P | 11:18 |
| crashanddie | Just waiting for people to arrive so we can start training -- I'm getting a scrubbing on a new product (I recently got a new job, as a C++ dev) | 11:19 |
| open-s | hi | 11:19 |
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| crashanddie | sadly, the bloke I'm going to replace isn't the earliest of birds... Usually comes in around 11 or 12Am | 11:19 |
| crashanddie | hi open-s | 11:19 |
| johnx | don't even know if he's coming in at lunch time or the middle of the night? does sound problematic :D | 11:20 |
| crashanddie | meh | 11:20 |
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| crashanddie | everyone starts at 9am, he comes in 2 or 3 hours later :P | 11:21 |
| crashanddie | better nao? | 11:21 |
| johnx | even I try to show up before 11AM though | 11:21 |
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| open-s | why there are no visual desktop effect in maemo like compiz | 11:21 |
| crashanddie | well yeah, I was shocked the guy beat me... In London, I was usually in the office around 10:30 or something | 11:21 |
| crashanddie | open-s: was that a question? | 11:21 |
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| open-s | yes | 11:22 |
| johnx | open-s: there are. or do you mean the cube thing? | 11:22 |
| timeless | open-s: how many minutes of battery life would you like? | 11:22 |
| timeless | 2 or 3? | 11:22 |
| crashanddie | timeless: including boot time? :P | 11:22 |
| timeless | and would you like a 20s emergency call or is 5s ok? | 11:22 |
| open-s | yes johnx | 11:22 |
| johnx | open-s: it's not there because you haven't programmed it yet | 11:22 |
| timeless | crash: well, maybe, we can exclude boot time unless you want the visual effects for that too | 11:22 |
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| johnx | timeless, you mean like a video that plays on every boot? :3 | 11:23 |
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| timeless | johnx: a non pre-rendered one! | 11:23 |
| timeless | with random rotation effects | 11:23 |
| open-s | i think n900 can run desktop effect perfectly | 11:23 |
| gopal | hi..for maemo applications there is a <app>.service file. How can I use that for multiple instance applications? | 11:23 |
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| johnx | open-s: Then you should program some more transitions if the default ones aren't enough | 11:23 |
| crashanddie | timeless: rotation based on handset movement | 11:24 |
| timeless | crashanddie: oh so the phone can show that the earth is moving? | 11:24 |
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| crashanddie | timeless: for example :) | 11:24 |
| open-s | johnx this relate with gpu | 11:25 |
| crashanddie | open-s: yeah, I think johnx and timeless understand what this is all about... | 11:25 |
| timeless | oh good,i was afraid it was related to the mmu | 11:25 |
| johnx | open-s, I understand what you're saying. The reason there aren't any really fancy effects like compiz is that no one has written the code to do that. *You* could write the effects if you wanted. | 11:27 |
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| open-s | johnx : the mean problem with n900 gpu programming | 11:28 |
| johnx | What's the problem? It runs OpenGL ES 2, which is different than plain Open GL, but it should be possible to code in compiz as a reference | 11:29 |
| johnx | s/to code/to use the code/g | 11:30 |
| infobot | johnx meant: What's the problem? It runs OpenGL ES 2, which is different than plain Open GL, but it should be possible to use the code in compiz as a reference | 11:30 |
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| open-s | its easy to write program for maemo to setup but diffuclt to handle by gpu | 11:30 |
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| koala_man | s/./how long does the bot retain info?/ | 11:31 |
| koala_man | aww | 11:31 |
| timeless | ?? | 11:31 |
| johnx | open-s, then you'll have to try hard. good luck. | 11:31 |
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| timeless | koala_man: you could read the docs for infobot.. | 11:31 |
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| open-s | for me i still try to do it but the mean problem for me my time is spending to write program for HR by java because it will bring money for me | 11:33 |
| koala_man | timeless: doesn't seem to include that info | 11:33 |
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| * timeless runs out of power and sleeps() | 11:34 | |
| johnx | 'night timeless | 11:35 |
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| crashanddie | koala_man: it only works for your own sentences | 11:37 |
| crashanddie | koala_man: well, your last sentence | 11:37 |
| crashanddie | so | 11:37 |
| crashanddie | s/sentence/this will not work/ | 11:37 |
| crashanddie | but | 11:37 |
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| crashanddie | s/but/but this will!/ | 11:37 |
| infobot | crashanddie meant: but this will! | 11:37 |
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| koala_man | crashanddie: but it didn't remember my last sentence, probably over a day ago | 11:41 |
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| crashanddie | koala_man: well, don't push it :P It may have rebooted in the mean time | 11:41 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 11:49 |
| johnx | mornin' Jaffa :D | 11:49 |
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| crashanddie | morning Jaffa | 11:51 |
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| lcuk | morning \o | 12:12 |
| korhojoa | mornin' | 12:13 |
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| Khertan_ | morgen! | 12:23 |
| crashanddie | moin | 12:24 |
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| TermanaN900 | hey hey | 12:24 |
| MohammadAG51 | killall X | 12:25 |
| quanttrom | hello guys, I have been reading the N900 Case thread and I still can't decide on a case for the N900. I want a horizontal case with a Belt Clip .. any suggestions? | 12:27 |
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| crashanddie | <rude joke>use a condom, because with a clip belt you'll look like a dick</rudeness> | 12:28 |
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| quanttrom | haha good one | 12:29 |
| kerio | your pocket | 12:29 |
| quanttrom | kerio: i think the N900 will be a little too wide for my pocket.. what do u think? | 12:29 |
| crashanddie | it's fine | 12:29 |
| crashanddie | I use jacket pockets, jeans pockets, and even suits pockets, never had an issue | 12:30 |
| MiXu- | If it doesn't fit then your jeans are definitely too tight. | 12:30 |
| quanttrom | do u have any kind of protection on it? | 12:30 |
| crashanddie | suit pockets are wider though, so keys ahve a tendency to damage the screen | 12:30 |
| quanttrom | MiXu-: my ass is big, jeans are typically not the best | 12:30 |
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| MiXu- | I use the front pocket and it's fine for me | 12:31 |
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| kerio | quanttrom: front pocket of jeans, no protection | 12:31 |
| quanttrom | hm | 12:31 |
| quanttrom | kerio: is it stratched up? | 12:32 |
| quanttrom | scratched* | 12:32 |
| lcuk | crashanddie, when I have n900 in suit pocket it slides around | 12:33 |
| kerio | quanttrom: i'm at the *beach* now | 12:33 |
| kerio | been for a month+ | 12:33 |
| crashanddie | damn, meego conference is badly planned, stupid intel people | 12:33 |
| kerio | of course it's scratched | 12:33 |
| quanttrom | kerio: I guess u don't mind :) | 12:34 |
| kerio | irc on the beach ftw | 12:34 |
| lcuk | crashanddie, ? whats wrong with it | 12:34 |
| lcuk | certainly looks more organised to me? | 12:34 |
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| crashanddie | monday to wednesday? | 12:36 |
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| crashanddie | There's hobbyists who don't really want to spend 3 days of holiday on a con | 12:36 |
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| johnx | kerio, maemo on the beach++ http://www.flickr.com/photos/7703413@N05/2800651680/ | 12:36 |
| crashanddie | fri-sun was perfect | 12:36 |
| johnx | 'night everyone :) | 12:36 |
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| lcuk | hey and gnite johnx | 12:37 |
| johnx | 'night lcuk. good to see you again. I'll be around more :) | 12:38 |
| crashanddie | you better | 12:39 |
| lcuk | \o | 12:39 |
| quanttrom | night | 12:39 |
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| quanttrom | What do you think about the OtterBox? | 12:44 |
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| jpe | n900 and bluetooth + carkits -> trouble , to get just the n900 connected ( without phonebook ), i have to disconnect/connect via bluetooth -> devices -> edit ( select appropriate device ) , someone knows if there is a shortcut ? | 12:48 |
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| chem|st | ~brainfart | 12:56 |
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| DangerMaus | Docscrutinizer i think i found my issue... moved a magnet away from device and got rid of case with magnetic closure no more glitches sofar... or its just nmot acting up today... | 13:18 |
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| sx0n | goto LasVegas | 13:42 |
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| lcuk | sx0n, sure | 13:43 |
| lcuk | but that costs money for entire family friends etc :P | 13:43 |
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| sx0n | life is greedy algorithm | 13:44 |
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| misc--- | hi all, is there a way I can see where all the scheduled tasks are for the n900? I know that there is no crontab, but just wondering where all the scheduled tasks are kept | 14:03 |
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| saltsa_ | why the python doesn't have pstats module in maemo | 14:12 |
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| lcuk | wazd, :) please give vlad a massive pat on the back | 14:16 |
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| lcuk | livebackground stuff is looking amazing, and now he has xscreensaver support its better than ever | 14:17 |
| oilgame | I'm having trouble making deb out of py. Bugtracker field gets broken for some reason. My package: http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_armel/sanakirja.org/0.3.0-2/ My build script: http://pastebin.com/EV08xqat | 14:17 |
| lcuk | ~200 all new interactions :) | 14:17 |
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| wazd | lcuk: well, it's not only Vlad who's working on LWP :) | 14:28 |
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| lcuk | of course wazd | 14:28 |
| lcuk | but he can dish out the back pats to everyone else! | 14:28 |
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| wazd | lcuk: I hope we'll be in Dublin together anyway so you can pat whoever you like woth your own hands :D | 14:30 |
| lcuk | wazd, that sounds like a plan :) | 14:30 |
| lcuk | are you signed up? | 14:30 |
| andre__ | oilgame, are you sure that values in the file /debian/control in the tarball are really created from your build script? | 14:31 |
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| chem|st | AHAAAAAAHAAH | 14:32 |
| misc--- | what's the command to connect to a saved wireless? I know how to connect to "any" but I was wondering if anyone has the command to connect to a wireless (the same way that in the settings, the search interval automatically connects to wifi when available) | 14:33 |
| * chem|st needs an TMO alt... | 14:33 | |
| oilgame | Pretty sure, found that script from here: http://wiki.maemo.org/Py2deb | 14:33 |
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| andre__ | oilgame, http://wiki.maemo.org/Py2deb#Install_py2deb also mentions that it's broken and a workaround | 14:34 |
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| X-Fade | I think pypackager replaces py2deb? | 14:36 |
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| oilgame | Aa, thanks. | 14:36 |
| X-Fade | Khertan_: ^^ | 14:36 |
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| chem|st | misc---: http://wiki.maemo.org/DbusScripts | 14:39 |
| misc--- | great thanks for that chem|st | 14:40 |
| chem|st | np | 14:40 |
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| chem|st | you can do funny things with that... | 14:45 |
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| Khertan_ | Hi ... | 15:07 |
| Khertan_ | X-Fade, oilgame exactly pypackager replace py2deb | 15:08 |
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| crashanddie | http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=Mk3qkQROb_k&vq=hd1080#t=11 | 15:08 |
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| Khertan_ | oilgame: http://khertan.net/pypackager_howto | 15:11 |
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| th3hate | NGEN | 15:20 |
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| quanttrom | crashanddie: I LOL'ed | 15:25 |
| lcuk | alterego, do you have columbus uploaded somewhere? | 15:25 |
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| alterego | lcuk: yeah: http://alterego.metapath.org/projects/columbus | 15:48 |
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| alterego | lcuk: the exe is there, not sure how old it is. | 15:48 |
| lcuk | binary only? eep thats not very OSS friendly :P | 15:48 |
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| Termana | lcuk, submit to the proprietary wrath of alterego | 15:50 |
| lcuk | NEVARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR | 15:50 |
| lcuk | unless of course he fully supports his work and makes timely updates :P | 15:50 |
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| jani | mmmmmm ruby-maemo =) | 15:51 |
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| Scelt | oilgame: /lc | 15:54 |
| Scelt | hubz | 15:54 |
| Scelt | oilgame: you should add scrolling to sanakirja.org app. when there's more results than fits to the screen, can't see them | 15:54 |
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| alterego | Hahah | 15:55 |
| alterego | I uploaded it just so someone could use it whilst we were reversing the GPS protocol | 15:55 |
| alterego | When it's finished I'll be uploading everything :P It's just not finished yet :) | 15:56 |
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| SWFu | Is it possible to use a N900 as a USB keyboard for a PC? | 15:56 |
| MohammadAG51 | o_O | 15:57 |
| SWFu | Odd request I know | 15:57 |
| alterego | SWFu: possible, yes. | 15:57 |
| alterego | Don't think anyone has though :) | 15:57 |
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| SpeedEvil | SWFu: In principle, yes. | 15:57 |
| SWFu | Ah, ok, thanks | 15:57 |
| alterego | Not even sure there's a USB keyboard HID peripheral kernel driver .. | 15:57 |
| SpeedEvil | SWFu: In practice, oh | 15:57 |
| SpeedEvil | yes | 15:57 |
| SpeedEvil | that | 15:57 |
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| SpeedEvil | There are many possible USB gadget drivers that have not been written. | 15:58 |
| Khertan_ | SWFu: of course.... ssh by usb networking ? | 15:58 |
| Khertan_ | :) | 15:58 |
| oilgame | Scelt: I added it to 0.3 version. | 15:58 |
| alterego | Would be cool though, to have a Linux powered keyboard/mouse :) | 15:58 |
| SWFu | http://www.pjrc.com/store/teensy.html | 15:58 |
| Scelt | oilgame: nice! good software | 15:58 |
| alterego | Heh | 15:58 |
| MohammadAG51 | lcuk made liqmouse :p | 15:58 |
| SpeedEvil | For example, n900 as webcam, or soundcard | 15:58 |
| SWFu | So you could use an N900 to do something similar | 15:58 |
| oilgame | Scelt: thanks | 15:58 |
| MohammadAG51 | N900 as webcam, wasn't that done? | 15:58 |
| Scelt | oilgame: no, thank you :) | 15:59 |
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| SpeedEvil | MohammadAG51: I mean as a USB webcam supporting UVC, so it acts like a driverless webcam when plugged into a host | 15:59 |
| alterego | I'm sure in the future all these things will become implemented, with more intelligent peripherals. Would be cool. | 15:59 |
| alterego | Time for a sandwich# | 16:00 |
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| lolcat93 | Hello | 16:00 |
| MohammadAG51 | and can the N900 be used as a BT mic? | 16:00 |
| lolcat93 | How do I connect to a WPA network on the N900? | 16:00 |
| MohammadAG51 | Status menu -> Internet connections | 16:00 |
| ShadowJK | hey someone called me on my n900 | 16:01 |
| ShadowJK | earphone didn't work D: | 16:01 |
| lolcat93 | MohammadAG51: When I click my network, it asks for the WEP key | 16:01 |
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| ShadowJK | but I had been messing around in alsamixer trying to toute mic to headphone out :) | 16:01 |
| MohammadAG51 | retarded router, manually define it in settings | 16:01 |
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| lolcat93 | Can't find the correct setting place | 16:02 |
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| MohammadAG51 | Settings - Connectivity - internet connections... | 16:04 |
| crashanddie | lolcat93: then you have a WEP network | 16:06 |
| lolcat93 | No | 16:06 |
| lolcat93 | I is an ad-hoc | 16:06 |
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| lolcat93 | I chose WPA & WPA2 personlig | 16:06 |
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| adnc | hello, i'm about to buy a smartphone which runs maemo. i would like to ask if N900 from nokia would be the best choice? | 16:07 |
| crashanddie | adnc: there is no other choice | 16:07 |
| adnc | crashanddie, i see | 16:07 |
| MohammadAG51 | lol | 16:07 |
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| adnc | what about meego | 16:07 |
| crashanddie | no devices announced yet | 16:08 |
| adnc | will this replace maemo? | 16:08 |
| crashanddie | though, should be done by the time the meego con is finished | 16:08 |
| MohammadAG51 | no | 16:08 |
| MohammadAG51 | maemo 6 will be based on meego | 16:08 |
| adnc | MohammadAG51, as far as i know maemo runs on the beagleboard aswell | 16:09 |
| adnc | i thought there might be other hardware | 16:09 |
| kerio | does the n900 support bluetooth headphones? | 16:09 |
| crashanddie | well, do you have a network stack on the beagleboard? | 16:09 |
| crashanddie | s/network/telephony/ | 16:09 |
| infobot | crashanddie meant: well, do you have a telephony stack on the beagleboard? | 16:09 |
| MohammadAG51 | kerio, duh :P | 16:09 |
| Scelt | kerio: firewall | 16:09 |
| alterego | That was a good sammich | 16:09 |
| kerio | not headsets, headphones | 16:09 |
| alterego | Kind of want another one now. | 16:09 |
| kerio | to listen to music | 16:09 |
| adnc | crashanddie, network yes, telephony no | 16:10 |
| lolcat93 | kerio: I use a blooetooth handsfree | 16:10 |
| MohammadAG51 | kerio, duh :P | 16:10 |
| MohammadAG51 | of course it does | 16:10 |
| kerio | the kind that you can hear well | 16:10 |
| kerio | that kind | 16:10 |
| MohammadAG51 | A2DP? | 16:10 |
| GNU\caust1c | hi! i have a script in /etc/network/if-up.d which has executable bit set, but it isn't executed when connecting to a network. any ideas? | 16:11 |
| kerio | MohammadAG51: yeah | 16:11 |
| MohammadAG51 | N900 supports that | 16:11 |
| kerio | those :) | 16:11 |
| kerio | yay | 16:11 |
| adnc | is it possible to have a sort of disc encryption similar to harddisc encryption with luks? | 16:11 |
| kerio | does someone have experience with one of those? | 16:11 |
| alterego | GNU\caust1c: can you pastie.org the script | 16:11 |
| kerio | is the media player control standard? | 16:11 |
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| alterego | Just submitted for the MeeGo conference. | 16:12 |
| MohammadAG51 | BT headsets yes | 16:12 |
| alterego | I bet I don't get allowed. | 16:12 |
| crashanddie | alterego: well, if you pay for yourself, there's no reason you wouldn't | 16:12 |
| GNU\caust1c | http://www.brechpunkt.de/paste/g6tso8X5.html line 5 should produce output in /tmp/wlan, but it doesn't | 16:12 |
| alterego | crashanddie: I'm unemployed :P | 16:12 |
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| crashanddie | alterego: oh well, you won't be coming then :P | 16:12 |
| alterego | Hahah | 16:12 |
| MohammadAG51 | lol | 16:12 |
| alterego | :) | 16:12 |
| GNU\caust1c | manually running the script works though | 16:13 |
| MohammadAG51 | how much would it cost anyways? | 16:13 |
| alterego | Well, I live in the UK, so not as much as others' | 16:13 |
| chem|st | adnc: sure! wanna port it? | 16:13 |
| chem|st | adnc: there is truecrypt available CLI | 16:13 |
| alterego | GNU\caust1c: sorry, not sure then :/ | 16:14 |
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| kerio | i'd like headphones with a mic | 16:14 |
| kerio | but not always showing, or i'd look like a True Dork | 16:14 |
| chem|st | kerio: yeah a headset with the mic integrated in the earpiece | 16:15 |
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| adnc | chem|st, i don't even have that device yet. i'm not going to think of porting anything yet | 16:19 |
| chem|st | adnc: lol... | 16:19 |
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| adnc | how is syncing? does it speak activesync or syncml | 16:20 |
| chem|st | adnc: yes there is truecrypt as CLI version only but that's it for now, noone seems to be interessted in porting anything like dm-crypt or anything like | 16:20 |
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| chem|st | adnc: sync with what? | 16:21 |
| adnc | chem|st, syncing contacts, calendar, notes etc for example with a horde installation, or any other activesync speaking groupware solution | 16:22 |
| chem|st | DIY syncevolution | 16:23 |
| chem|st | adnc: http://tinyurl.com/23y25cy | 16:25 |
| alterego | Sweet, now I've got a job :D | 16:25 |
| crashanddie | eh? | 16:25 |
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| adnc | chem|st, that gives an 500 - internal server error | 16:26 |
| adnc | ;) | 16:26 |
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| lolcat93 | Can my computer share its intenret conencvtion throug bluetooth? | 16:27 |
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| chem|st | lolcat93: what computer do you have? an acer sure can't (LMAO) | 16:28 |
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| lolcat93 | Lenovo - Ubuntu 10.04 | 16:29 |
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| SpeedEvil | yes, it can. | 16:29 |
| SpeedEvil | http://ubuntuforums.org/tags.php?tag=bnep | 16:29 |
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| crashanddie | SpeedEvil: you going to the conf> | 16:30 |
| crashanddie | ? | 16:30 |
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| * GAN900 wonders what happens with the hotel bill if sponsorship is declined. | 16:30 | |
| SpeedEvil | I could ask what conference, but that would be quite redundant, as the answer is the same witheverything. | 16:30 |
| chem|st | lolcat93: http://webnesbay.com/bluetooth-personal-area-network-in-ubuntu/ | 16:30 |
| _0x47 | are the maemo repositories down, or is it just me facing this? | 16:31 |
| MohammadAG51 | GAN900, "What hotel bill?" :P | 16:31 |
| GAN900 | MohammadAG51, the one you have to pay if you want to attend | 16:31 |
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| GAN900 | Whether or not you get sponsorship. | 16:31 |
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| crashanddie | GAN900: if I'm going, I'm paying your hotel bill | 16:31 |
| crashanddie | MohammadAG51's too | 16:31 |
| MohammadAG51 | GAN900, I know, I was just saying what would happen if the sponsorship is canceled | 16:32 |
| MohammadAG51 | crashanddie, can't, damn school :( | 16:32 |
| * SpeedEvil imagines 3 in a bed, and shudders. | 16:32 | |
| alterego | I did it, I've finally snapped: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=789381&postcount=253 | 16:32 |
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| MohammadAG51 | crashanddie, much appreciated though :) | 16:32 |
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| crashanddie | MohammadAG51: interest rate of 365000% | 16:32 |
| * frals needs to convince someone to send him to meegoconf | 16:32 | |
| GAN900 | Prepaying $135 is not a cheap conference for most people. | 16:32 |
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| * MohammadAG51 gives a trout to intel ceos | 16:33 | |
| GAN900 | and paying the balance of the bill 7 days before is even less doable. | 16:33 |
| MohammadAG51 | frals, done | 16:33 |
| crashanddie | GAN900: mon-tue-wed is a stupid decision | 16:33 |
| MohammadAG51 | indeed | 16:33 |
| * alterego awaits the hammer of thor .. | 16:33 | |
| X-Fade | crashanddie: Nah, that is just corporate thinking. | 16:33 |
| X-Fade | crashanddie: There will only be corporate people, right? :) | 16:34 |
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| GAN900 | ^ | 16:34 |
| crashanddie | X-Fade: last year made sense, this one doesn't | 16:34 |
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| crashanddie | just goes to show MeeGo's real colours | 16:34 |
| alterego | I'm sorry GAN900, don't cry for me! I'm already dead! | 16:34 |
| X-Fade | crashanddie: Well meego is no end-user community.... yet. | 16:34 |
| GAN900 | I love Quim's comment that the current registration has about the same ratio of unaffiliated to affiliated as the last Summit. | 16:34 |
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| GAN900 | Which means the decision to make it so corporate focused was an interesting one. | 16:35 |
| crashanddie | X-Fade: so why the fuck is there sponsoring then? | 16:35 |
| crashanddie | X-Fade: if it's supposed to be corporate-only, why bother offering sponsorship, if nobody's going to get it? | 16:35 |
| Khertan_ | X-Fade: and will be not ? | 16:35 |
| Khertan_ | :) | 16:35 |
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| GAN900 | But, whatever, I will, personally, be treating the conference as a purely social event then moving on after (assuming sponsorship). | 16:35 |
| X-Fade | crashanddie: Well two separate things again. | 16:35 |
| alterego | I'm gonna go play my xbox and kill some bandits prentending they're incapabill_uk | 16:36 |
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| crashanddie | GAN900: yeah, good spirit, might join you on that one | 16:36 |
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| Termana | alterego, ARSE bandits if they are incapabill_uk | 16:37 |
| alterego | Heh | 16:38 |
| Khertan_ | ~ping | 16:40 |
| infobot | ~pong | 16:40 |
| alterego | pong | 16:40 |
| alterego | Do you want to smell my Ping Pong Pong? | 16:40 |
| alterego | I just hulked out on a talk.maemo.org member | 16:42 |
| alterego | Think I'm gonna blow off some steam and play red dead. | 16:43 |
| alterego | ciao! | 16:43 |
| alterego | Oh wait, wrong channel | 16:43 |
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| alterego | Well, regardless, ciao! :D | 16:43 |
| ShadowJK | w.t.f. | 16:44 |
| ShadowJK | how do i save an attachment in modest? | 16:44 |
| ShadowJK | oh right | 16:44 |
| ShadowJK | nm | 16:44 |
| timeless | it works | 16:44 |
| ShadowJK | I was trying to longtap the file in the header area | 16:46 |
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| ShadowJK | as singletap just whined about unknown filetype :) | 16:46 |
| timeless | file a bug | 16:46 |
| timeless | that's obviously stupid | 16:46 |
| ShadowJK | hm, is abiword still in -devel.. | 16:47 |
| ShadowJK | 2Mbyte .rtf, this better be good | 16:47 |
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| ShadowJK | I guess that's a feature request: be smart not stupid | 16:49 |
| ShadowJK | :P | 16:49 |
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| Khertan_ | ShadowJK: i guess it ll end in : "Work for me" | 16:52 |
| Khertan_ | :) | 16:52 |
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| lolcat93 | My internet on the phone stopped working :/ | 16:53 |
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| ShadowJK | hey do we still have the bugbot in here? | 16:56 |
| ShadowJK | bug 1 | 16:56 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1 test - ignore it | 16:56 |
| ShadowJK | oh yay | 16:56 |
| Scelt | ShadowJK: yes | 16:56 |
| Scelt | bug 1337 | 16:56 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1337 Menu item News -> garage news is broken | 16:56 |
| ShadowJK | bug 3683 | 16:56 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3683 modest is a piece of crap | 16:56 |
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| Khertan_ | Bug -1 | 16:57 |
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| timeless | jaffa: which other meeting are you in? | 16:57 |
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| Jaffa | timeless: Work meeting about outstanding technical tasks | 16:58 |
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| Stskeeps | neat, the python call seems to have affected something | 16:59 |
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| Khertan_ | Stskeeps: python doesn't affect anythings ... python magnifize it ! | 17:03 |
| kerio | python <3 | 17:03 |
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| lolcat93 | I can't get internet on my N900 | 17:07 |
| ShadowJK | timeless, so the "correct" way to save attachment is apparently to tap window menu, where there's a save attachments item | 17:08 |
| ShadowJK | timeless, I wonder if it's just me who didn't think to look there | 17:08 |
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| tybollt | no sjk, everything in microb is always entirely striaght forward and adheres to perfect logic.... | 17:09 |
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| ShadowJK | modest | 17:10 |
| tybollt | which btw, to a lot of extent fennec fixes | 17:10 |
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| ShadowJK | not microb | 17:10 |
| kerio | microb is awesome | 17:10 |
| Khertan_ | fennec ... hum .... i hope it ll be usable on n900 before the plateform fully disapear | 17:11 |
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| * ShadowJK presses commit and hopes andre doesn't kill him | 17:12 | |
| ShadowJK | gggghhhh | 17:13 |
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| ShadowJK | the "email sent to" list is scary | 17:13 |
| andre__ | URL? | 17:13 |
| * ShadowJK regrets this already | 17:13 | |
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| ShadowJK | lol | 17:13 |
| andre__ | ah, 11147 | 17:14 |
| timeless_mbp | ShadowJK: i know that's the correct way | 17:14 |
| timeless_mbp | but, the error is stupid | 17:14 |
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| ShadowJK | so I suggested it would say something like "Unknown filetype, do you want to save the file?" instead | 17:15 |
| ShadowJK | uh, microb crashed when i tried go back to it :) | 17:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | modest \o/ | 17:17 |
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| ShadowJK | now where was I.. | 17:19 |
| ShadowJK | ah, trying to open the multimegabyte .rtf... :) | 17:19 |
| timeless_mbp | ShadowJK: that woudl be nice (re modest) | 17:19 |
| GAN900 | andre__, like your latest blog post. :P | 17:21 |
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| * ShadowJK wonders if dataviz is optified | 17:24 | |
| * SpeedEvil wonders if ShadowJK is optified. | 17:25 | |
| ShadowJK | I'm relocatable | 17:25 |
| achipa | dataviz is in Ovi | 17:27 |
| ShadowJK | also outside ovi | 17:28 |
| ShadowJK | I still haven't managed to create an ovi account | 17:28 |
| ShadowJK | I try it every few months when I've forgotten why I haven't got one | 17:28 |
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| ShadowJK | and then give up after an hour or two | 17:28 |
| thomasvs | how can I make scratchbox use an X server with a DISPLAY higher than :2 ? | 17:28 |
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| MohammadAG51 | thomasvs, export DISPLAY=:3 | 17:31 |
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| MohammadAG51 | or whatever you want | 17:31 |
| thomasvs | MohammadAG51: when calling /opt/scratchbox/login that gets overridden | 17:32 |
| MohammadAG51 | /opt? | 17:32 |
| thomasvs | that's where I have it, but /scratchbox/login would do the same | 17:32 |
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| MohammadAG51 | hmm | 17:33 |
| MohammadAG51 | export it inside scratchbox | 17:34 |
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| thomasvs | I could, but kind of annoying - Yet Another Script To Run Before Each Command | 17:35 |
| thomasvs | something is forcing it to be :2 and ideally that's an option somewhere I can override ? | 17:35 |
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| Venemo | hey guys | 17:36 |
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| thomasvs | ok, so .installation_environment in $HOME inside sbox is something I can set it in | 17:37 |
| Venemo | what is the current situation of the MeeGo handset UX? | 17:38 |
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| ShadowJK | so Documents to Go doesn't open .rtf | 17:40 |
| ShadowJK | abiword does though :D | 17:40 |
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| kerio | documents to go? | 17:42 |
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| kerio | :/ | 17:42 |
| kerio | there's... openoffice | 17:42 |
| Khertan_ | Venemo: http://meego.gitorious.org/meego-handset-ux | 17:43 |
| Khertan_ | :=) | 17:43 |
| Venemo | Khertan: thx | 17:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | openoffice on N900 \o/ | 17:44 |
| ShadowJK | i think i need easy-debian for ooo? | 17:44 |
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| MohammadAG51 | yes | 17:44 |
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| Venemo | Khertan_: is it now able to make phone calls? | 17:44 |
| MohammadAG51 | thomasvs, you only need to export it once in scratchbox | 17:45 |
| MohammadAG51 | then af-whatever.sh start | 17:45 |
| lolcat93 | I think Open-Office was painfully slow | 17:45 |
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| DocScrutinizer | well, if you really need OOo, then you'll probably not mind the 5min startup time, and neither the 500MB VM size | 17:45 |
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| johnsq | Hi | 17:45 |
| ShadowJK | freoffice doesn't seem to recognize .rtf :P | 17:45 |
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| DocScrutinizer | pleeease anybody post a screenshot of OOo on fremantle :-P Preferably with a menu opened | 17:47 |
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| Venemo | DocScrutinizer: what do you mean by "OOo"? | 17:49 |
| MohammadAG51 | OpenOffice.org | 17:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | OpenOffice.org ? | 17:50 |
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| kerio | DocScrutinizer: it's... ugly | 17:51 |
| kerio | OOo from within lxde is not bad, with a *normal* theme selected | 17:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | unbearable is the word, I'd say | 17:51 |
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| kerio | and normal fontsizes | 17:52 |
| kerio | it's also cute and tiny | 17:52 |
| kerio | squeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee | 17:52 |
| jpe | OpenOffice is a dutch company, if yoy want to refer ro the office packet, it;s OpenOffice.org | 17:52 |
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| DocScrutinizer | or OOo | 17:52 |
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| jpe | indeed | 17:53 |
| kerio | it's cute | 17:54 |
| kerio | :3 | 17:54 |
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| DocScrutinizer | well it was ``usable'' even on my CF-27 300MHz-P-II with 128MB | 17:58 |
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| Khertan_ | About Meego ... does python and pyqt/pyside is available for handset ux ? | 18:00 |
| Khertan_ | i didn't found any information about it | 18:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | err, | 18:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | #meego ? | 18:01 |
| Khertan_ | ah ... yep :) | 18:01 |
| Khertan_ | i forgot that i was on #osgraveyard | 18:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer | yeah, with Nokia kindergarden and cemetary are almost same thing | 18:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | just like in real life | 18:03 |
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| Venemo | Khertan_: osgraveyard... lol :D | 18:04 |
| jpe | rip opensolaris as well :-( | 18:05 |
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| SpeedEvil | Random. Is anyone arware of any proof of concept code that's out there that goes from the sound of a keyboard to keystrokes? | 18:07 |
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| SpeedEvil | I know these have been researched, but is any code in the wild? | 18:07 |
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| SpeedEvil | Idly wondering as a cheap alternative to bluetooth. | 18:07 |
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| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: ask mossad :-P | 18:08 |
| johnsq | SpeedEvil: they also used radio receiver to log the keystrokes | 18:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: and no, it's probably no viable alternative to BT | 18:08 |
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| SpeedEvil | Probably not - would be fun as a proof of concept. | 18:09 |
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| SpeedEvil | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n3wPBcmSb2U - silly. Relay computer. | 18:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'd recon the processing time for one keystroke to be up to some seconds, and S/N like 90%, means 10% false or not detected keys | 18:10 |
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| mece | http://trac.tspre.org/meetbot/meego-meeting/2010/meego-meeting.2010-08-17-13.58.html | 18:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer | key repeat also tends to be a pita, as key release even more prone to ENOSENSE than key-down | 18:11 |
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| SpeedEvil | Of course. | 18:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer | don't forget qualifier keys :-) | 18:20 |
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| mece | Stskeeps, great tmo post! Makes me happy about my N900 :) | 18:21 |
| Stskeeps | mece: people are forgetting the big picture. | 18:21 |
| mece | Stskeeps, people are idiots ;) | 18:21 |
| Stskeeps | and most importantly, to be sane activists, not moaning bitchers | 18:22 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 18:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer | bah rants. URL or it didn't happen | 18:23 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, centred text on individual post links is awful! | 18:24 |
| mece | Stskeeps, anyway, I was wondering if there's some particular bit that one could help with.. Since I'm no good at actually doing the work, I might see about the wiki pages or something like that. | 18:24 |
| mece | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=789387&postcount=255 | 18:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | lcuk: always been, if you're talking bout tmo | 18:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | lcuk: but then, links to individual post are awful | 18:25 |
| lcuk | indeed DocScrutinizer seeing the whole thread adds much more context to a posting | 18:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | took me quite some months to find out how to get there | 18:26 |
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| DocScrutinizer | clicking on postnr of particular post in thread, then in single post awkward view, copy&paste the link upper right | 18:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's really clumsy, but quite worth it for the quality of your posted links | 18:28 |
| lcuk | DocScrutinizer, simplest is just to click the thread on top right | 18:28 |
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| lcuk | it takes you to the whole thread with specific post scrolled to | 18:28 |
| lcuk | and shock! left aligned | 18:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | and shock! in a new window :-P | 18:29 |
| * lcuk does not see a new window | 18:29 | |
| DocScrutinizer | prolly depends on browser & settings | 18:29 |
| lcuk | yes | 18:30 |
| * lcuk kicks debian | 18:30 | |
| * mece licks debian | 18:30 | |
| mece | ..salty | 18:30 |
| * DocScrutinizer dicks le... errr | 18:30 | |
| mece | LOOOOOL | 18:31 |
| Termana | I'm not sure lenny appreciates that | 18:31 |
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| Khertan_ | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gr8TAS4y5Eo&feature=related | 18:37 |
| Khertan_ | hihi | 18:37 |
| tybollt | ~debian mece | 18:37 |
| * infobot tells mece to RTFM!!!! GAH!!! HELL FIRE AND BRIMSTONE!!!! BURN!!! DIE!!! MWAHAHAHAHA!!!! | 18:37 | |
| mece | hee | 18:38 |
| mece | man doesn't seem to work on my N900 though.. | 18:38 |
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| Khertan_ | n910 ? -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQ4ynGxQnGY&feature=related | 18:41 |
| MohammadAG | mece, hmm? | 18:41 |
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| mece | Khertan_, that's an early prototype though... | 18:42 |
| tybollt | Khertan_: troll thread w/ obvious phootshops or something that might be real? | 18:42 |
| Khertan_ | yep i think too | 18:42 |
| Khertan_ | it something real :) | 18:42 |
| mece | definately :D | 18:42 |
| Khertan_ | but certainly not n910 | 18:42 |
| mece | haha | 18:42 |
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| Khertan_ | or in a first stage of development | 18:43 |
| Khertan_ | but i doubt | 18:43 |
| tybollt | meh | 18:43 |
| mece | tybollt, it's a joke. | 18:44 |
| mece | tybollt, I LOL'd | 18:44 |
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| DocScrutinizer | mece: man-n900 works great for me (courtesy MohammadAG) | 19:17 |
| kerio | what's that? | 19:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | man, check man man to know what's man | 19:18 |
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| skyscraper | man man :D | 19:18 |
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| skyscraper | maemo has no "man" ^^ | 19:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | it *has* | 19:19 |
| skyscraper | ? | 19:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer | [2010-08-17 18:17:01] <DocScrutinizer> mece: man-n900 works great for me (courtesy MohammadAG) | 19:19 |
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| skyscraper | not for me xd | 19:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's at your discretion not to install that great package | 19:20 |
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| DocScrutinizer | yx | 19:20 |
| MohammadAG | man-db-n900 | 19:20 |
| MohammadAG | http://maemo.org/packages/view/man-db-n900 | 19:21 |
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| skyscraper | anyone got working ubuntu 9.10 on n900? http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=752676&postcount=51 | 19:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~wtf xd | 19:21 |
| infobot | Gee... I don't know what xd means... | 19:21 |
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| skyscraper | my n900 wont boot ubuntu 9.10 -.- | 19:23 |
| SpeedEvil | My n900 won't boot GEM. | 19:23 |
| skyscraper | GEM? whats GEM? | 19:23 |
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| zash | ~define GEM | 19:24 |
| infobot | Use ~dict for definitions. | 19:24 |
| zash | ~dict GEM | 19:24 |
| infobot | Dictionary 'GEM' (2 of 14): a person who is a brilliant and precious as a piece of jewelry ;; art highly prized for its beauty or perfection . | 19:24 |
| merlincorey | my n900 boots PR1.2 :P | 19:24 |
| merlincorey | but I want to get a BSD on there | 19:24 |
| skyscraper | my n900 boots PR1.2, too :p | 19:25 |
| tybollt | merlincorey: what bsd currently runs on the N900? | 19:25 |
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| SpeedEvil | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graphical_Environment_Manager | 19:27 |
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| matthew- | tybollt: netbsd for sure | 19:27 |
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| tybollt | matthew-: it does work? | 19:30 |
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| skyscraper | anyone here who could help me with http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=752676&postcount=51 ? | 19:30 |
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| tybollt | matthew-: care to link me? googlers has nothing | 19:30 |
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| matthew- | tybollt: http://www.netbsd.org/ | 19:39 |
| matthew- | tybollt: it works on Casion watches | 19:39 |
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| merlincorey | yes, I was thinking netbsd :) I've heard of people having some amount of success with it | 19:41 |
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| kompyutr | any nice discussuon? | 19:57 |
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| kompyutr | *discussion | 19:57 |
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| tybollt | matthew-: I don't find any evidence on netbsd.org they run on the N900 | 19:59 |
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| johnsq | Hi | 20:02 |
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| matthew- | tybollt: netbsd runs on ANYTHING | 21:11 |
| tybollt | they'd like you to think that | 21:12 |
| tybollt | yes' | 21:12 |
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| matthew- | tybollt: been using it for a long while | 21:12 |
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| pronto | test | 21:27 |
| an0therb0x | why has nokia forsaken the n900 and left it without voice gps ? this is not cool | 21:27 |
| Stskeeps | sygic works for me | 21:28 |
| an0therb0x | sygic does not have US maps | 21:28 |
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| ssweeny | according to their website they do | 21:30 |
| ssweeny | http://www.sygic.com/index.php/en/maps.html | 21:30 |
| ssweeny | 99% US coverage in the maemo version | 21:31 |
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| joga | is sygic good? | 21:33 |
| Jaffa | Best you've got AFAICT | 21:33 |
| ssweeny | i've not used it myself, but reviews of the latest version sound positive | 21:34 |
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| ssweeny | my n900 arrives this week. i'll probably shell out for sygic | 21:34 |
| an0therb0x | US maps must be a recent update | 21:35 |
| an0therb0x | voice gps should be included like they have done for newer symbian devices | 21:36 |
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| hrw|n900 | hi | 21:41 |
| an0therb0x | nokia should step up , 4.3 inch screen with 1ghz proc | 21:42 |
| hrw|n900 | Jaffa: alive? | 21:42 |
| Jaffa | hrw|n900: on ropey 3G connection, but yes | 21:42 |
| hrw|n900 | Jaffa: I am on 2.5G | 21:43 |
| Jaffa | hrw|n900: N900 says _ only now. Do I win? :) | 21:43 |
| Jaffa | s/_/2G/ | 21:43 |
| infobot | Jaffa meant: hrw|n900: N900 says 2G only now. Do I win? :) | 21:43 |
| hrw|n900 | Jaffa: catorise sorted categories by en names instead of Polish ones. ideas? | 21:43 |
| hrw|n900 | you did :) | 21:44 |
| Jaffa | hrw|n900: Hmm. It should be using user locale. Wonder if that's not getting to root now when trigger runs | 21:44 |
| hrw|n900 | LC_ALL=pl_PL /opt/catorise/catorise used did not helped | 21:44 |
| Jaffa | Oh. | 21:45 |
| hrw|n900 | maybe catorisegui broke something - i used it before | 21:45 |
| Jaffa | hrw|n900: Polish built in, or add on? | 21:45 |
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| hrw|n900 | built | 21:45 |
| Jaffa | Hmm. | 21:45 |
| Jaffa | Should be easily reproducible using that cmd then. Can you raise a bug? | 21:45 |
| hrw|n900 | will do | 21:46 |
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| hrw|n900 | Jaffa: is there a way to make own categories? | 21:47 |
| hrw|n900 | Jaffa: would like to create' phone' one | 21:48 |
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| hrw|n900 | bug 9418 probably | 21:51 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9418 Catorise does not respect localized category names when sorting the menu | 21:51 |
| Jaffa | hrw|n900: Yes: create a new .directory and and add it to the list of valid sections at the top of the scriot | 21:52 |
| Jaffa | hrw|n900: Ah, cool | 21:52 |
| hrw|n900 | will check files later. need to bath child | 21:52 |
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| hrw|n900 | btw which file does catorise rewrites? | 21:54 |
| Jaffa | hrw|n900: /etc/xdg/menus/hildon.menu | 21:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | who needs catorize when there's great AppMeFo ? | 21:55 |
| hrw|n900 | DocScrutinizer: ? | 21:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | sorting of appstarter menus by braindamaged categories in HAM/repos is err... useless | 21:56 |
| hrw|n900 | Jaffa: layout section is sorted in Polish - just like 9418 | 21:56 |
| lcuk | DocScrutinizer, now now - some people like them and happily system supports it :P | 21:57 |
| hrw|n900 | DocScrutinizer: using one long list sucks | 21:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | I for one prefer AppMeFo over catorise all days | 21:58 |
| * lcuk just throws his most used apps on a desktop | 21:58 | |
| DocScrutinizer | ofc that as well | 21:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer | doesn't cure the pain of crowded default menu and braindamaged catorise sorting | 22:00 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, would the entire hildon desktop have to be pulled into meego to allow reference support for hildon widgets? | 22:00 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: hildon widgets are just windows | 22:00 |
| lcuk | with support api for plugging them in etc | 22:00 |
| MohammadAG | small ones | 22:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer | tbh selling N900 without AppMeFo functionality ootb is a crime | 22:01 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, I am wondering how we could transition and get support for prewritten widget components in meego | 22:01 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: i don't know how widget structure looks in meego | 22:01 |
| lcuk | ie, the change from diablo to fremantle was not painfree, but people did not have to start from scratch | 22:02 |
| hrw|n900 | wth is appmefo? | 22:02 |
| lcuk | me neither, but its a question I have seen a few times | 22:02 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, lol by: joerg_rw | Replies: 7 | Views: 777 | Forum: Applications | Last Post: Today 09:47 PM by joerg_rw Go to last post | 22:02 |
| MohammadAG | 5 7s | 22:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | hrw|n900: you know google ;-D | 22:02 |
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| hrw|n900 | on 2.5G? | 22:02 |
| MohammadAG | m.google.com | 22:02 |
| lcuk | facepalm | 22:03 |
| MohammadAG | let me | 22:03 |
| * MohammadAG smacks lcuk on the forehead | 22:03 | |
| DocScrutinizer | gtfy | 22:03 |
| MohammadAG | ~wtf gtfy | 22:04 |
| infobot | Gee... I don't know what gtfy means... | 22:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ~lmgtfy | 22:04 |
| infobot | i guess lmgtfy is http://lmgtfy.com/ | 22:04 |
| lcuk | i dont even understand the first page of google results | 22:04 |
| hrw|n900 | lovely... portugese pages | 22:04 |
| hrw|n900 | bbl | 22:04 |
| MohammadAG | lmgtfy :P | 22:04 |
| lcuk | and after figuring out and telling google that, no i did not want appmemo | 22:04 |
| lcuk | DocScrutinizer, just bloody explain it in a sentence :P | 22:05 |
| MohammadAG | mefo* | 22:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | [2010-08-17 21:03:36] <MohammadAG> let me... gtfy | 22:05 |
| lcuk | would have saved a page of crap | 22:05 |
| lcuk | :P | 22:05 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, LOL | 22:05 |
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| hrw|n900 | fucking maemo5 idiotic naming of packages | 22:07 |
| kerio | omg i just tried Angry Birds | 22:08 |
| kerio | it's awesome | 22:08 |
| kerio | is there a way to pirate the level packs? | 22:08 |
| * luke-jr smacks kerio. hard. | 22:08 | |
| DocScrutinizer | http://maemo.org/packages/view/apmefo/ | 22:09 |
| lcuk | kerio, gtfo | 22:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | hrw|n900: HTH | 22:09 |
| kerio | i don't have a credit card, how can i buy it | 22:09 |
| * MohammadAG smacks kerio harder | 22:09 | |
| kerio | :/ | 22:09 |
| MohammadAG | kerio, send me 2 euros | 22:10 |
| luke-jr | kerio: buy a Visa gift card thing | 22:10 |
| MohammadAG | you'll have to pay shipping for those 2 euros | 22:10 |
| MohammadAG | possibly insurance too | 22:10 |
| luke-jr | are euros coins or paper? | 22:11 |
| Khertan | Hi ! Maybe someone have already play with dbus org.freedesktop.Notificatio.Notify and could me explain why my notification message still display a number one even if i ve set the hint count to 200 | 22:11 |
| kerio | both | 22:11 |
| kerio | 2€ is a single coin | 22:11 |
| kerio | or 2x 1€ | 22:12 |
| kerio | or, you know, smaller coin values | 22:12 |
| MohammadAG | or 4 x 0.5, but that's not the point | 22:12 |
| kerio | smallest banknote is 5 | 22:12 |
| luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: oh wow, the menu supports folders⁇ | 22:12 |
| Khertan | http://gitorious.org/khweeteur/khweeteur/blobs/master/khweeteur/__init__.py <- line 53 | 22:12 |
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| nox- | moin | 22:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | moinmoin | 22:15 |
| nox- | moin DocScrutinizer | 22:15 |
| hrw|n900 | DocScrutinizer: argh... appmefo != apmefo | 22:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: apmefo supports folders, and catorise supports braindamaged folders | 22:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: the menu as such once supported a 'more' folder | 22:16 |
| MohammadAG | I want the more folder back | 22:17 |
| MohammadAG | actually, the whole menu back | 22:17 |
| MohammadAG | I liked the smooth kinetic scrolling | 22:17 |
| MohammadAG | now it's full of friction | 22:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | hm | 22:17 |
| luke-jr | I like the current menu tbh | 22:18 |
| luke-jr | I just put all my common apps up top | 22:18 |
| luke-jr | and scroll for less common | 22:18 |
| lcuk | MohammadAG, so revert a couple of git commits and have a look? | 22:18 |
| lcuk | see if you can have best of both | 22:18 |
| hrw|n900 | bye | 22:18 |
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| MohammadAG | lcuk, tried that once, failed miserably | 22:19 |
| lcuk | have a go at making the menu scroll like you are and operate smoothly as you expect | 22:19 |
| lcuk | ok | 22:19 |
| MohammadAG | I'll check if I can do it properly this time | 22:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: I just click one of my carefully named subfolders nstead of scrolling. Actually since apmefo I never scroll in appstarter menu | 22:19 |
| lcuk | well which bit did you fail at | 22:19 |
| MohammadAG | I changed values, compiled, installed, no change | 22:19 |
| lcuk | or was it just random lack of knowledge etc? | 22:19 |
| lcuk | ahh ok | 22:19 |
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| luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: but do you have your common apps at one touch? | 22:20 |
| lcuk | well you are mucking around in the right place already | 22:20 |
| lcuk | so just keep it in mind and have a bash | 22:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: yes | 22:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: of course | 22:20 |
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| lcuk | satmd, thats only a few | 22:36 |
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| hrw|n900 | re | 22:53 |
| hrw|n900 | DocScrutinizer: apmefo author should be shot twice | 22:53 |
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| hrw|n900 | ui is pain | 22:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | granted | 22:55 |
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| DocScrutinizer | but integration into appstarter probably isn't so easy | 22:56 |
| MohammadAG | actually, it is | 22:56 |
| MohammadAG | since it uses the same app starter | 22:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | eh? | 22:57 |
| hrw|n900 | looks like once wrote never used stuff | 22:57 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, it just edits hildon.menu afaik | 22:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | exactly | 22:57 |
| MohammadAG | in ~/.config/menus/ | 22:57 |
| MohammadAG | so it's just writing a new file, it's not a whole new launcher | 22:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | and how du you suppose it's to be integrated in appstarter's drag-to-sort and other UI config stuff? | 22:58 |
| MohammadAG | hmm? | 22:58 |
| MohammadAG | you could edit the list manually | 22:58 |
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| MohammadAG | the app just does it automatically | 22:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | cause that's where a config GUI of apmefo naturally would live in the end | 22:59 |
| MohammadAG | yes, subdir in .config/menus | 22:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: you're completely OT | 22:59 |
| MohammadAG | On Topic? | 22:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~lart ranters | 23:00 |
| * infobot drops a truckload of VAXen on ranters | 23:00 | |
| MohammadAG | not ranting lol | 23:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | rant is easy and cheap, do it better! | 23:00 |
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| hrw|n900 | I miss full keyboard and vim... | 23:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: yes. While we are discussing poor GUI of apmefo, you're drifting away on how it does what it does | 23:02 |
| hrw|n900 | apmefo ui needs to be overriden | 23:02 |
| hrw|n900 | and author shot again | 23:02 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, k, I'll get back on topic, I'll shoot the author twice and once again | 23:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | and I'll shoot both of you, becuase of contraproductive rant about a great app | 23:03 |
| kerio | apmefo is only useful to make a debian dir | 23:03 |
| MohammadAG | don't get me wrong, I use it | 23:03 |
| hrw|n900 | DocScrutinizer: great is idea. ui is worse then awful | 23:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | hrw|n900: stfu, go and send patches | 23:04 |
| hrw|n900 | disaster is not good word neither | 23:04 |
| hrw|n900 | DocScrutinizer: next week, not earlier | 23:04 |
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| hrw|n900 | python + vim + n900 keyboard + me == fail | 23:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | or simply stay with brainfucked catorise | 23:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer | :-( | 23:05 |
| SwedeMike | n900 keyboard is better than touch screen one, but compared to real keyboard it still isn't even close :P | 23:05 |
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| nox- | i guess he means the enter key issue? | 23:06 |
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| hrw|n900 | SwedeMike: I do not use onscreen one. never saw it even | 23:06 |
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| SwedeMike | hrw|n900: I mean compared to an iphone or nexus one or alike which doesnt have a physical keyboard | 23:07 |
| MohammadAG | LOL @ zehojay's tweet | 23:07 |
| MohammadAG | it's awful to surf on talk.maemo.org these days. too much troll fud from mister sir #abill_uk | 23:07 |
| MohammadAG | he has a twitter tag now | 23:07 |
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| hrw|n900 | back to catorise. next try of apmefo in other week. | 23:11 |
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| hrw|n900 | Jaffa: after reinstall I have display sorted correctly | 23:12 |
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| hrw|n900 | bye | 23:15 |
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| ccta-server | any place to get apps besides the app manager and ovi store? | 23:32 |
| joga | apt-get | 23:32 |
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| ccta-server | doesnt that just list the apps already in app manager? | 23:33 |
| joga | no, the app manager shows only a subset of the programs | 23:33 |
| ccta-server | oh i see. is there a way to browse apt-get | 23:33 |
| ShadowJK | though it's mainly just commandline unix tools tht are unlisted in app manager | 23:34 |
| joga | well, personally I just do apt-cache search <term> | 23:34 |
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| ShadowJK | and libraries that do nothing on their own | 23:34 |
| joga | mostly, probably | 23:34 |
| * joga likes to install ttf-droid | 23:34 | |
| ccta-server | oh ok | 23:34 |
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| ccta-server | Does maemo run on anything besides n900 | 23:36 |
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| johnsq | yea n810 n800 n700 | 23:36 |
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| ccta-server | anyone get sip working on any of the tablets? I keep getting an error trying to connect n900 to ekiga | 23:37 |
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| andre__ | ccta-server: see https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5342 ? (no "me too" comments please ;-) | 23:43 |
| povbot | Bug 5342: IM and VoIP accounts: Cannot sign in to ekiga.net SIP. | 23:43 |
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