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| DocScrutinizer | ( <luke-jr> just that it's better to use a slightly older version ) so wtf is everybody so eager to jump to meego? | 00:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | why isn't Nokia themselves developing on maemo - e.g. a decent ovi maps, with all bells and whistles, and *then* port it to meego when they think they need it over there | 00:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | would serve both purposes, supporting and showing dedication to maemo, and same time verifying/testing the supposed migration path | 00:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I mean, how would anybody trust in suggested maemo backwards compatibility of meego, if not even the protagonists of meego dare to use maemo as a development environment and prove the portability | 00:49 |
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| crashanddie | DocScrutinizer: because corporations don't reason that way | 00:50 |
| crashanddie | DocScrutinizer: most managers believe: "Develop for one platform, no porting needed, plus because platform x is under high development, we'll get support" | 00:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | mhm, due to lack of sensible product managers | 00:51 |
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| crashanddie | i would also wager that most PMs don't actually know nor care about meego/maemo. They just see a list of platforms, and make the easiest/fastest choice | 00:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | then a monkey did a better job on that position | 00:52 |
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| trem | nite all, sweet dreams | 00:52 |
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| DocScrutinizer | maybe even a pair of dice or a big void wuld do a better job | 00:53 |
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| crashanddie | DocScrutinizer: here's something so soothe your mind: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5BNgusT3rE | 01:00 |
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| anarcat | hi | 01:01 |
| anarcat | i don't understand why i can't install this package on my n900: http://maemo.org/packages/view/mbarcode/ | 01:01 |
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| anarcat | in general, have any of you been able to do qrcode scanning on the n900? | 01:01 |
| crashanddie | anarcat: lardman is one of the main devs | 01:02 |
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| crashanddie | anarcat: he should be in here in about 10 hours | 01:02 |
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| anarcat | i see | 01:02 |
| anarcat | but the package is there... i just don't see it in my app manager... why is that? | 01:03 |
| kerio | anarcat: i am | 01:03 |
| kerio | it works | 01:03 |
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| kerio | and... ctrl+shift+x, root, apt-get install mbarcode | 01:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | LOL | 01:04 |
| anarcat | kerio: couldn't find package mbarcode | 01:04 |
| anarcat | kerio: i feel like i haven't enable "extras" in here, but i don't see how i can do that | 01:04 |
| anarcat | i mean, there's a maemo.org line in there | 01:05 |
| Fadi | hi | 01:05 |
| kerio | is mbarcode is extras? | 01:05 |
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| anarcat | i don't know, looks like it: http://maemo.org/packages/view/mbarcode/ | 01:05 |
| anarcat | or is this extras-devel? | 01:06 |
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| crashanddie | anarcat: devel and testing | 01:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | kerio: watch http://maemo.org/packages/view/mbarcode/ and answer your own question | 01:06 |
| crashanddie | anarcat: look at the "Releases" part | 01:06 |
| kerio | nah, cba | 01:06 |
| Fadi | hi | 01:07 |
| anarcat | crashanddie: so i need to add devel? | 01:07 |
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| crashanddie | I won't reply to that | 01:07 |
| kerio | anarcat: just testing would be better, atm | 01:07 |
| kerio | and expect trouble | 01:07 |
| crashanddie | anarcat: the general rule is "if you need to ask, the answer is no" | 01:07 |
| anarcat | hum | 01:07 |
| anarcat | er | 01:08 |
| anarcat | so how do i install this thing? | 01:08 |
| anarcat | kerio: or rather, how did *you* install this? | 01:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | anarcat: http://repository.maemo.org/extras-testing/pool/fremantle/free/m/mbarcode/mbarcode_0.0.8-0_armel.deb | 01:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | @.@ | 01:08 |
| anarcat | DocScrutinizer: i tried downloading the .deb directly, but then it failed on missing dependencies | 01:08 |
| anarcat | it seems absurd to try to do this by hand while i have apt-get over there | 01:09 |
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| crashanddie | anarcat: have you ever flashed your device? | 01:09 |
| anarcat | crashanddie: no | 01:09 |
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| crashanddie | are you willing to give it a shot? | 01:09 |
| anarcat | crashanddie: i have flashed other devices (wrt54g) before though | 01:09 |
| anarcat | crashanddie: i'm not sure what that implies, and i'm not familiar with the process, so i would rather not, at this point | 01:09 |
| crashanddie | then don't install devel | 01:10 |
| crashanddie | if it's just to install a smallish program with little dependencies, just add devel and remove it immediately after, and don't run any updates | 01:10 |
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| anarcat | yeah | 01:10 |
| anarcat | crashanddie: i can't seem to be able to install devel | 01:10 |
| kerio | hmm, rsync still brings down my n900 :( | 01:11 |
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| crashanddie | but considering that mbarcode depends on a couple dozen other packages, you're most probably going to kill your n900 | 01:11 |
| anarcat | i copied the extras/ line from sources.d and changed extras to extras-testing (or devel, same) and that gives 404s in apt-get update | 01:11 |
| anarcat | crashanddie: ah. | 01:11 |
| anarcat | i guess that's a no no then | 01:11 |
| anarcat | when can we expect stuff in testing to hit the main tree? | 01:11 |
| anarcat | kerio: (and where's rsync! ;) | 01:11 |
| kerio | apt-get install rsync | 01:11 |
| crashanddie | anarcat: come in here and hope to find lardman | 01:11 |
| crashanddie | ~seen lardman | 01:12 |
| anarcat | crashanddie: awesome | 01:12 |
| infobot | lardman <~simon@Maemo/community/contributor/lardman> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 4d 12h 49m 56s ago, saying: 'bbl'. | 01:12 |
| crashanddie | or drop him an email, ask him how he runs it on his device, and what are the risks involved | 01:12 |
| anarcat | cool | 01:12 |
| anarcat | i should just write him, indeed | 01:12 |
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| anarcat | hum | 01:13 |
| anarcat | what *is* his email? :) | 01:13 |
| anarcat | kerio: cool, got rsync! | 01:13 |
| anarcat | nice | 01:13 |
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| anarcat | ok, thanks folks, i guess i'll just wait for lardman to pop in here... can i leave him a message here somehow? | 01:14 |
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| anarcat | or if you guys have his email, that would be nice too | 01:14 |
| anarcat | otherwise you can write me at @anarcat.ath.cx | 01:14 |
| anarcat | tx | 01:14 |
| crashanddie | HOLY SHIT | 01:14 |
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| crashanddie | lardman is the oldest community member, it would seem | 01:14 |
| crashanddie | he was registered on maemo.org before Linux even existed! | 01:15 |
| anarcat | 1970 :) | 01:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | lol | 01:15 |
| nox- | haha | 01:15 |
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| nox- | talk about unix time zero | 01:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | [2010-08-16 00:15:33] [Notice] -NickServ- Information on lardman (account lardman): | 01:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | [2010-08-16 00:15:33] [Notice] -NickServ- Registered : Jun 17 14:50:39 2004 (6 years, 8 weeks, 4 days, 07:24:54 ago) | 01:15 |
| crashanddie | that might explain why he was always on the front page | 01:15 |
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| crashanddie | nox-: he's powerful, he managed to make PHP's time() function return null :D | 01:16 |
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| DocScrutinizer | not exactly 1970, but anyway | 01:16 |
| crashanddie | well, 1970-01-01 | 01:16 |
| nox- | it that wasnt some accident he sure has some geek humor :) | 01:18 |
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| lcuk | crashanddie, seems like a likely reason | 01:19 |
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| lcuk | i think its timeless thought that has badly formatted datestamps :P | 01:20 |
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| lcuk | crashanddie, are you running an extract from maemo.org servers? | 01:32 |
| crashanddie | eh? | 01:33 |
| crashanddie | lcuk: lolwut? | 01:34 |
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| lcuk | noticing lardman has earlybird datestamp and that it causes null in python | 01:37 |
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| crashanddie | lcuk: datestamp is indicated on profile page, and only considering that PHP isn't supposed to fail on something like time() or mkdate(), they probably didn't clean their database input | 01:42 |
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| crashanddie | or check the return codes from SQL properly | 01:43 |
| crashanddie | anyway, off to bed | 01:43 |
| crashanddie | 'later all | 01:43 |
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| kerio | what swappiness do you guys use? | 01:45 |
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| SpeedEvil | default | 01:47 |
| SpeedEvil | Though I had some sort livelock today | 01:47 |
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| SpeedEvil | swapdeath, no ssh, would tick when pressed but not switch apps or ... | 01:47 |
| kerio | default is 100 | 01:48 |
| kerio | :/ | 01:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | noob question: where / how would I start to add a function to specific URLs in (microb) web browser? Is there such a thing like page-specific local CSS with embedded JS, or a generic plugin format, or what else? - usecase example: add a link context menu item to each hit on google.com results page, like "wget this URL" | 01:49 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer: hmm... something like greasemonkey? | 01:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | mhm, anyway would like to keep microb, or best case browser agnostic | 01:50 |
| kerio | greasemonkey is a firefox extension | 01:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I know | 01:55 |
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| DocScrutinizer | so are you trying to say they should work with microb? | 01:55 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I think I'd prefer some client side JS | 01:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | or maybe even a proxy to modify the pages on the fly :-o | 01:57 |
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| DocScrutinizer | though I'm sure there are better ways - just I'm a complete noob wrt "web programming" | 01:57 |
| Noma | how easy is it to install meego in a dual boot with maemo? | 01:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | Noma: aiui it's quite the normal way it is done | 01:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | don't quote me | 01:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps should knoiw better | 01:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer | (not that it may, or may not, be easy to install meego at large) | 02:00 |
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| Seiya | i can't connect by ssh. open ssh is installed. | 02:01 |
| Seiya | putty also | 02:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: (livelock) it will sort out *eventually* :-D Just wait a few hours, and do not click to often, it will alll store up :-P | 02:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer | putty? I gather ssh metapkg (server and client) was installed on N900 nevertheless | 02:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | Seiya: simple test: ssh root@localhost | 02:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | from N900 user xterm | 02:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | (damn ! One of my maemo xterm windows ate my CR key... :-( ^M still works | 02:05 |
| kerio | ^M? | 02:05 |
| kerio | don't you mean ^J? | 02:05 |
| nox- | heh for me return is broken in less too, have to use ^j... | 02:05 |
| kerio | and yeah, happens to me sometimes | 02:05 |
| kerio | terminals suck | 02:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer | mhm, borked here since I used less | 02:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | over ssh, on a remote box | 02:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | local less works great | 02:08 |
| nox- | ssh'd from n900 or to it? | 02:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | fro | 02:08 |
| nox- | hmm | 02:08 |
| nox- | i wonder if its is some terminal emulation fuckup... | 02:08 |
| nox- | s/its/this/ | 02:08 |
| infobot | nox- meant: i wonder if this is some terminal emulation fuckup... | 02:08 |
| kerio | it is | 02:08 |
| kerio | terminals really suck :( | 02:08 |
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| nox- | at least that tells me this `xterm' isnt really using original xterm emulation code then... | 02:10 |
| nox- | (bc _that_ works :) | 02:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | nokia-n900 ~> ssh my@box.no.where; less foo; "/bar<CR>"<-borked ; close ssh to my@box; <CR> borked in local xterm as well | 02:10 |
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| nox- | and i mean xterm source code | 02:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | >CR> is known to be fsckdup. Some transcoding forth and back enter<->CR | 02:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | NK-enter | 02:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | maybe less soewhat messes with keymaps, and uses NK-enter in a special way | 02:12 |
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| nox- | i doubt that | 02:13 |
| * nox- rather suspects some esc sequences get misinterpreted | 02:13 | |
| DocScrutinizer | anyway, there's some long lingering issue with brainfsckd >CR> mapping on maemo devices | 02:14 |
| * nox- pretty sure less does nothing with keymaps itself... | 02:14 | |
| nox- | why should it | 02:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | on entering "YES" for ssh adding server key, it echoes "^[OM" | 02:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | iirc | 02:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | maybe ^[0M | 02:16 |
| nox- | yeah when i search in less and hit return by accident instead of ^j i get some esc sequence too | 02:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | mhm, there's some key conversion in every app on N900, as N900 kbd has NK-enter only | 02:17 |
| zeltak | hya guys..can anyone tell me what headphones come with the n900 (got mine used and got screwed by with mismatched headphones) | 02:17 |
| nox- | NK == keypad? | 02:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | numeric keypad | 02:17 |
| nox- | yeah | 02:18 |
| jani | zeltak: what sort of stuff you mean ? | 02:18 |
| nox- | impedance? | 02:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | zeltak: every 'usual' headset will work, if it's absolute standard | 02:18 |
| nox- | well some get distortion | 02:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | the one that comes with N900 has a rather unusual flat cable | 02:19 |
| jani | and has 3 connection surfaces as it has mic in on it too but if you dont need the mic part, you can plug any sort of headphones into it. | 02:20 |
| nox- | mic? i thought thats composite out? | 02:20 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Nokia adhering to 'standard' as of http://members.omtp.org/Lists/ReqPublications/Attachments/36/OMTP_Local_Connectivity_Wired_Analogue_Audio_v1_0.pdf | 02:21 |
| nox- | anyway my theory is the headphone amp may not particularly like low impedance... | 02:21 |
| nox- | there are headphones with 16 ohms and there are ones with 64... | 02:21 |
| nox- | and other values are possible too | 02:22 |
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| jani | both =) | 02:22 |
| jani | but the headphones that came with n900 do have a mic on the cable .. like "hands free" sort of stuff and that signal has to go in from somewhere. | 02:24 |
| nox- | hm ok | 02:24 |
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| nox- | so where does the composite out come from on the av cable? | 02:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | mic ring | 02:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | dual use | 02:25 |
| nox- | ah ok | 02:25 |
| DangerMaus | hmm tiny hole ont the volume switch | 02:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | headphone amp is a D-type with 15R series. Should work even with 8R headphones | 02:25 |
| nox- | hm ok | 02:26 |
| * nox- wonders where those distortions then came from | 02:26 | |
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| DocScrutinizer | but maybe some headphones are just too poor efficiency to give a good loud clear audio, without clipping | 02:26 |
| nox- | i think those particular ones came from an old ipod... | 02:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | or they can't take the bass that N900 is capable to drive to them | 02:27 |
| nox- | heh | 02:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer | D-type is down to 0Hz +-0dBm | 02:28 |
| DangerMaus | thats actualy funny | 02:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | DangerMaus: there you are :-P | 02:28 |
| DangerMaus | im rite her | 02:28 |
| * DangerMaus waves | 02:28 | |
| DocScrutinizer | http://maemo.org/downloads/Maemo5/ | 02:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | DangerMaus: ^^ | 02:29 |
| DangerMaus | ahh | 02:29 |
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| DangerMaus | prob ran outta power yesterday | 02:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer | DangerMaus: g-meter - I doubt. Sounds more like troubled touchscreen | 02:31 |
| DangerMaus | awww crap | 02:31 |
| DangerMaus | least there under 500 now | 02:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | touchpanel is ~60EUR | 02:32 |
| DangerMaus | what? link? | 02:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | without new protector :-P | 02:32 |
| DangerMaus | or take it to nokia? | 02:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | *sigh* moment please | 02:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | take it to nokia anyway | 02:32 |
| DangerMaus | eeeek | 02:33 |
| DangerMaus | not see baby for weeks prob | 02:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer | http://www.klc.fi/fin/tuotteet/Nokia-Varaosat-N900/N900-TOUCH-WINDOW-ASSY-2691V9- | 02:34 |
| DangerMaus | though next geuss was check touchscreen connector | 02:34 |
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| DangerMaus | that seems too cheep | 02:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://www.saremi-mobilfunk.de/product_info.php/info/p4369_Original-Nokia-N900-A-Cover-Touchscreen.html | 02:36 |
| DangerMaus | thoujght thats € | 02:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer | DangerMaus: has your 'screen' a ditch/spot/other damage? | 02:38 |
| DangerMaus | docscrutinizer we having issues with the touchscreeens in general or just the ones that have been dropped? | 02:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | dropped makes a good story for cause of such problem | 02:39 |
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| DangerMaus | heh lol minor scratch on right edgemetal | 02:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | deformed? | 02:40 |
| DangerMaus | screen surface is fine | 02:40 |
| DangerMaus | no | 02:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | 1mm is enough | 02:40 |
| DangerMaus | christ | 02:41 |
| DangerMaus | no | 02:41 |
| DangerMaus | surface | 02:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | does it 'click' when doing unsolicited stuff? like touchscreen click? | 02:41 |
| DangerMaus | picture riunning sand paper or fine file across metal | 02:41 |
| DangerMaus | sometimes | 02:42 |
| DangerMaus | when i want it to do it it wont | 02:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | full reflash - check - take to nokia for repair | 02:42 |
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| DocScrutinizer | might be warranty | 02:43 |
| DangerMaus | crap got it the way i want it finnaly | 02:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | do a decent backup :-P | 02:43 |
| DangerMaus | be a year dec 1 i think | 02:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | europe? | 02:44 |
| DangerMaus | usa | 02:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-/ | 02:44 |
| DangerMaus | got a nokia store close but prob clueless | 02:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | bet | 02:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | they'll send in | 02:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | anyway try it | 02:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | no idea how things get handled in USA | 02:45 |
| DangerMaus | hmmm what to buy for interm? | 02:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer | a second one ? :-D | 02:46 |
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| DangerMaus | with old 770 | 02:46 |
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| DangerMaus | just started playing with pc suit and eepc ran outta battery no charger for it withme | 02:48 |
| DangerMaus | having crappy weekend | 02:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | eeeh! pc | 02:49 |
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| DangerMaus | thats it i cant take it anymore time to make a bootable flashdrive with gentoo min install onoit | 02:56 |
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| zeltak | jani: DocScrutinizer: thx i meant obviously the one with the call button and music playbacl control | 03:02 |
| zeltak | i got one with the n97 and wondered if the n900 ships with one as well | 03:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer | music control doesn't work with N900 for all I know | 03:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | I tried to investigate a bit, to find out about phy protocol they are using e.g. on N95, but wasn't able to get any meaningful results with N900 AV circuit | 03:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | also probing of that N95 compatible multibutton headset I borrowed from a friend didn't yield any results that could make sense to me | 03:07 |
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| zeltak | gotcha..k thx DocScrutinizer | 03:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | so unless I get hold of either a headset schematics, or a N95 schematics, or a generic spec for that protocol - for me that's w wontfix | 03:09 |
| zeltak | i see | 03:09 |
| zeltak | thx for the info :) | 03:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | yw | 03:10 |
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| ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer, did you hear the interference caused by pushing buttons on it? | 03:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer | nuttin | 03:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-S | 03:11 |
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| ShadowJK | did it work with n95? | 03:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer | probing mic ring with low voltage ohm-meter gave me break/infinite on correct polarity, and a digitalish jump from some 2k to break/infinite on reverse polarity (+ on sleve/GND) | 03:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | sore it works with N95, my friend is using it all the time | 03:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | sure* | 03:14 |
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| ShadowJK | did you yourself test it with a working device though? | 03:15 |
| * ShadowJK only hears the interference when plugged into devices it works with | 03:15 | |
| DocScrutinizer | I might throw together/solder some extension adapter with probe contacts and see what the signals look like on N95 | 03:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer | nope, I myself never used such headset on a device it's working with | 03:16 |
| ShadowJK | set volume to one step above muted, the clicking dit-dt-dit-dat thing is in the background of the music | 03:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | but for that adapter approach I'd either need a N95 or a storage scope, so I could do all the needed tests in <15min | 03:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: that however would mean the stereo-out path is somewhat involved | 03:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | which pretty much complicates things for N900, if not making the whole issue unfeasible | 03:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer | my probing anyway gave no indication for direct pathes from stereo-out to mic contact | 03:20 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I'd guess we have a high-impedance digital one wire transmission here, over mic contact. Like when pushing a button, the headset shorts mic to GND for a period x, then waits for micbias to clock for shifting out next bit same way. Duration of period xmakes for the 1s and 0s | 03:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | this however *could* be done with N900 | 03:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's just I don't see how exactly it should interfere with musin on stereo-out | 03:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | music* | 03:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | also I of course did recording tests via headset mic, to detect such serial pulses, at least a single click when pushing a button -> nuttin | 03:26 |
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| DocScrutinizer | maybe I wasn't able to distinguish the digital clicks from the noise of pressing the keys inside the same case that holds the mic | 03:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer | if anybody was willing to investigate, and got a scope of any sort and a N9x plus such media controller headset: The adapter is pretty simple, a 3.5mm 4pole male to female wire thru 1:1, except a series 47R in mic wire. Then probe 2chan (voltage mic to gnd, 1V/div, trigger falling slope ) and (voltage across 47R, 10mV/div), DC coupled, with X=1..50ms/div, while pressing different keys | 03:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | make a screenshot and let me know where to watch it | 03:38 |
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| lcuk | DocScrutinizer, if I had a scope I would play | 03:38 |
| * lcuk ponders and trundles to bed | 03:39 | |
| DocScrutinizer | n8 lcuk :-D | 03:39 |
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| zeltak | ok had it with mail for exchange...never works..does any one sync contacts with google/thunderbird/other? and if so how? | 03:58 |
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| celesteh | zeltak: i use nueavasync | 04:03 |
| celesteh | zeltak: http://nuevasync.com/ | 04:04 |
| celesteh | it's free, and it handles calendar stuff correctly also | 04:04 |
| zeltak | cool thx celesteh ill check it out now | 04:04 |
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| ieatlint | people in the US using the n900 may be interested in this: http://groups.google.com/group/tmoipv6beta?pli=1 (tmobile is running a beta test for ipv6 over their data network) | 04:16 |
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| ieatlint | hrm, note i was just sent that from a friend, but i am suddenly questioning the authenticity of it, as nothing seems to point back to tmobile officially that i see | 04:18 |
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| DangerMaus | whats up Doc? | 04:21 |
| DangerMaus | ooooo just figg'd that if i hold a key it shifts to the Fn key just nother way to do it | 04:24 |
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| xnt14[N900] | hi, in R&D mode, what do the flashing keyboard leds mean? | 04:35 |
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| SpeedEvil | it's CPU state | 04:35 |
| SpeedEvil | suspend and idle I think | 04:36 |
| xnt14[N900] | SpeedEvil, which one? what does each led mean? | 04:36 |
| SpeedEvil | I don't recall. | 04:36 |
| xnt14[N900] | hmm | 04:36 |
| xnt14[N900] | didn't see anything on the wiki | 04:37 |
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| xnt14[N900] | any one else know? | 04:38 |
| SpeedEvil | http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Schematic gives you the pins they connect to, you could then google the kernel. | 04:38 |
| xnt14[N900] | hmm | 04:38 |
| xnt14[N900] | SpeedEvil, k | 04:39 |
| SpeedEvil | It doesn't matter. | 04:39 |
| SpeedEvil | There is nothing beneficial. | 04:39 |
| SpeedEvil | Over using powertop | 04:39 |
| SpeedEvil | And indeed power consumption is lots worse due to the LEDs | 04:40 |
| luke-jr | ieatlint: IPv6 is required for 4G | 04:40 |
| xnt14[N900] | SpeedEvil, I was just curious... | 04:40 |
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| chi | okay so vfat on the sd did not seem to work | 04:50 |
| chi | or at least i can't see the music i put on it from the n900 | 04:50 |
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| * nox- doubts thats bc of vfat... | 04:52 | |
| luke-jr | ieatlint: I'd try it, but T-Mobile doesn't allow N900 on prepaid data ;) | 04:52 |
| nox- | wow | 04:52 |
| * nox- has prepaid here | 04:52 | |
| nox- | on tmobile notwork | 04:52 |
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| luke-jr | nox-: here = ? | 04:54 |
| nox- | .de | 04:54 |
| luke-jr | i c | 04:56 |
| * luke-jr wouldn't move to .de for data | 04:56 | |
| nox- | hehe | 04:56 |
| luke-jr | actually, I can't think of *anything* I would move to .de for | 04:57 |
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| luke-jr | probably why i'm not there | 04:57 |
| luke-jr | lol | 04:57 |
| nox- | you're in u.s.? | 04:57 |
| luke-jr | Nebraska | 04:59 |
| nox- | ah | 04:59 |
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| * SpeedEvil pays $5/mo for 1G/mo on t-mobile prepaid data. | 05:12 | |
| SpeedEvil | (UK though) | 05:12 |
| luke-jr | SpeedEvil: yeah, over here, they don't offer it at all except for Hiptop devices | 05:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | t-mo US seems thoroughly nasty wrt plans and conditions. Well US customers even accept the idea of being charged for inbound calls | 05:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | and wtf are hiptop devices? | 05:14 |
| nox- | SpeedEvil, well thats certainly better than here... | 05:14 |
| nox- | bbl | 05:14 |
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| luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: not sure, some T-Mobile custom thing? | 05:15 |
| luke-jr | I think it has another name now | 05:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | I read that as hiphop | 05:15 |
| nox- | iirc its a primitive tablet device | 05:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | which doesn't make it any better | 05:15 |
| nox- | *nod* | 05:16 |
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| DocScrutinizer | probably in USA as a carrier you could tell your customers you just invented internet new, and they may get it by just paying premium | 05:17 |
| DangerMaus | hiptop? like bend gf over use as desk? | 05:18 |
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| nox- | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hiptop | 05:19 |
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| dmj726 | the sad part is tmo is comparatively less nasty than certain other us carriers | 05:20 |
| DangerMaus | ooo k | 05:20 |
| DangerMaus | tmo sofar so good | 05:21 |
| DangerMaus | and ive places i shouldnt have service ratherdata and had it | 05:21 |
| dmj726 | ...Verizon wants to charge you to connect your laptop to your phone. | 05:21 |
| DangerMaus | most did or do | 05:22 |
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| HiDaren | hi, all | 05:22 |
| dmj726 | Haven't had that with TMO | 05:22 |
| DangerMaus | this was a way around it | 05:22 |
| dmj726 | either that or it's just the n900 | 05:22 |
| rm_you | it *is8 hiphop, isn't it? | 05:23 |
| rm_you | *is* | 05:23 |
| HiDaren | are there any developers in here? | 05:23 |
| nox- | the tablet? hiptop | 05:23 |
| dmj726 | correction: are there *many* developers here | 05:23 |
| DangerMaus | bellieltop here | 05:23 |
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| DangerMaus | dj726 sometimes | 05:24 |
| nox- | anyway im off | 05:24 |
| HiDaren | correction: are there any developers in here who can help me get started with esbox? | 05:24 |
| dmj726 | ah | 05:25 |
| dmj726 | what OS are you on? | 05:25 |
| DangerMaus | oops * | 05:25 |
| HiDaren | i have the maemosdk virtual image set up and running.... | 05:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | blaergh - what an ugly collection of devices :-P | 05:25 |
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| ieatlint | luke-jr: yeah, i signed up... although i am admittedly still skeptical as no where on that page does it reference anything official | 05:26 |
| dmj726 | esbox does foul things on modern ubuntu | 05:26 |
| ieatlint | it sounds legit... | 05:26 |
| ieatlint | figured the worse that happens is some spammer got my email and phone number | 05:27 |
| HiDaren | it is ubuntu 9.1 | 05:27 |
| dmj726 | 9.10 should work fine | 05:27 |
| ieatlint | and $5/gb for data? i'm getting hurt terribly with my unlimited data | 05:27 |
| dmj726 | are you running it from esbox.sh? | 05:27 |
| * GeneralAntilles put together a nice rant for an mwkn summary, but realized the title didn't match the link. . . . | 05:27 | |
| ieatlint | $25/mo... completely bullshit | 05:27 |
| luke-jr | ieatlint: normal US monthly unlimited data is $10/mo | 05:28 |
| DangerMaus | ieatlint what carrier? | 05:28 |
| luke-jr | $25/mo only gets you special content crap | 05:28 |
| ieatlint | tmobile | 05:28 |
| HiDaren | i have the hello world app compling.. just dont know how to run it in the local emulator | 05:28 |
| ieatlint | hmm, let me go double check tmo's site :) | 05:28 |
| dmj726 | well they usually try to charge smartphone users 25 | 05:28 |
| dmj726 | oh | 05:29 |
| dmj726 | there's a button on the menu for that | 05:29 |
| dmj726 | looks like the maemo logo | 05:29 |
| DangerMaus | tmo says they have a like 8gig soft cat but they havent killed me yet | 05:29 |
| DangerMaus | *cap | 05:29 |
| ieatlint | i'm impressed you're using 8gb... | 05:29 |
| DangerMaus | just once | 05:30 |
| HiDaren | i can run the emulator from the icon, but cannot get my app from esbox to run it | 05:30 |
| luke-jr | 8 GB is nothing | 05:30 |
| dmj726 | any error messages? | 05:30 |
| DangerMaus | laptop through phone | 05:30 |
| ieatlint | i'm actually getting boned by tmobile pretty bad right now.. my bill is $220/mo | 05:30 |
| luke-jr | 56k is over 17 GB/mo | 05:30 |
| dmj726 | wow how is it that high? | 05:31 |
| DangerMaus | i wanna say i got 500m voice unlimited txt data somethimg else | 05:31 |
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| ieatlint | family plan with 4 lines | 05:32 |
| DangerMaus | its like 60$ | 05:32 |
| DangerMaus | ahh | 05:32 |
| dmj726 | family plan with 4 lines on tmo should be like half that | 05:33 |
| DangerMaus | all my hardware though there damn sms spam is annoyimg | 05:33 |
| DangerMaus | dmj726 they degrade prices again? | 05:34 |
| dmj726 | you looked at the even more plus plans? | 05:35 |
| DangerMaus | ithink that me or i just + | 05:35 |
| ieatlint | lcuk: so i'm curious here.. you say data is just $10/mo; tmo says that's for non-smartphones, but i'm getting the impression that doesn't actually matter? | 05:36 |
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| dmj726 | an n900 will run just fine on the $10 plan | 05:37 |
| luke-jr | ieatlint: $25/mo includes "value services" or some crap | 05:37 |
| ieatlint | bah, fucking tmobile | 05:37 |
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| dmj726 | but you might not want to show them your phone if you want the $10 rate (or show them a $10 prepaid phone that you want to convert) | 05:37 |
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| DangerMaus | dont need other crap with this all built in chang what you want independant of carrier | 05:38 |
| ieatlint | dmj726: hmm, ok, i seriously need to give tmobile a car | 05:38 |
| ieatlint | call | 05:38 |
| ieatlint | blah | 05:38 |
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| dmj726 | keep your car :P | 05:39 |
| DangerMaus | they said it dont matter just dont give them the what is it eeid#? they dont need it | 05:40 |
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| ieatlint | yeah, i'm going to assume they're far too lazy to check the IMEIs i use | 05:40 |
| DangerMaus | yeah that | 05:41 |
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| DangerMaus | i jump fones sometimes it this will be in harms way theyve nvr called me on diff imei's | 05:42 |
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| DangerMaus | att gave my sister ogreif for that | 05:44 |
| ieatlint | for changing phones? | 05:44 |
| ieatlint | or for using a dataplan intended for old wap-based phones on a smartphone? | 05:44 |
| DangerMaus | yeah popping the sim in somethimg else | 05:44 |
| ieatlint | tmobile i know doesn't give a fuck if you change phones every day.. | 05:45 |
| ieatlint | they'll even provide basic support | 05:45 |
| DangerMaus | yep | 05:45 |
| ieatlint | but they can use the IMEI to look up what model phone it is was my point | 05:45 |
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| ieatlint | basically test if you're bullshitting them on the smartphone thing (not that the data usage wouldn't tell the story) | 05:45 |
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| luke-jr | if it comes down to it, we could start a class action lawsuit possibly | 05:46 |
| luke-jr | or maybe just report them, I don't know | 05:46 |
| DangerMaus | crap i was in chicago messing with a phone without a sim not realzing it called 911 when i pushed send messimgwith it | 05:46 |
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| HiDaren | when i have to call my cell company, i just keep an old blackberry handy | 05:47 |
| DangerMaus | put it on counter went to store found cops and fire when i got back | 05:47 |
| ieatlint | luke-jr: net neutrality doesn't exist on the law books :P | 05:47 |
| luke-jr | ieatlint: device neutrality does | 05:47 |
| luke-jr | or at least the FCC regulations | 05:48 |
| ieatlint | only with regards to locks on the phone i think, not with the service | 05:48 |
| luke-jr | service providers aren't allowed to discriminate between FCC-approved devices | 05:48 |
| luke-jr | that is, as long as the FCC has approved it, it's allowed | 05:48 |
| DangerMaus | but they dont bother telling the consumer that | 05:49 |
| ieatlint | that's a novel concept, but i'm afraid i'm skeptical of taking uncited legal advice from irc ;) | 05:49 |
| luke-jr | that's why cable companies have to allow you to buy your own cable modem from someone else | 05:49 |
| luke-jr | otherwise they'd just force you to rent it from them | 05:49 |
| luke-jr | and they did, until someone threw the book at them | 05:50 |
| luke-jr | also, it isn't legal advice ☺ | 05:50 |
| ieatlint | well my point was that it's possible me bullshitting tmobile could result in them finding out a year from now and seeking to collect lost money... you're telling me that if they even tried to do anything, FCC regulations would protect me | 05:51 |
| ieatlint | sounds like legal advice | 05:51 |
| TermanaN900 | recover lost money? that sounds like garbage | 05:52 |
| luke-jr | ieatlint: nah, I was just suggesting a lawsuit if they get bad about it :p | 05:52 |
| HiDaren | sounds like something they'd try though | 05:52 |
| luke-jr | and prepaid is prepaid ;) | 05:52 |
| luke-jr | that's the whole point of it | 05:52 |
| DangerMaus | it just works | 05:53 |
| HiDaren | i got a bill from my bell because they said i was using teathering but it was just my n900 :) | 05:53 |
| luke-jr | wait, you're not using prepaid, nm | 05:53 |
| ieatlint | i'll somehow bet the prepaid user agreement says you may be liable for additional charges | 05:53 |
| HiDaren | they backbilled for 6 months | 05:53 |
| DangerMaus | easy no credi dept to pay | 05:53 |
| ieatlint | yeah, i'm on postpaid | 05:53 |
| HiDaren | but they also fixed it after 6 or 7 phone calls | 05:53 |
| TermanaN900 | sometimes im wish i was a US citizen. And then i remember this crap, and am thankful im an Australia citizen. | 05:53 |
| TermanaN900 | I wish* | 05:54 |
| luke-jr | ieatlint: how would that work, seeing as T-Mobile doesn't even have my name or address? | 05:54 |
| luke-jr | HiDaren: technically speaking, N900 *is* tethered | 05:54 |
| ieatlint | luke-jr: well, some people register that with tmo.. :P | 05:54 |
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| ieatlint | but yeah, there's no way you could ever do anywhere near enough damage to make it worth tracking you down | 05:54 |
| HiDaren | luke: heh heh | 05:54 |
| ieatlint | if they can't simply send you an invoice and then forward it to a collections agency, they won't bother to touch you | 05:55 |
| luke-jr | ieatlint: before I setup data, I used DNS tunnelling to bypass their walled garden | 05:55 |
| DangerMaus | where your bill go auto-pay? | 05:55 |
| luke-jr | rather than even call my cell, they just blocked my endpoint -.- | 05:55 |
| ieatlint | that's low man.. that shit is slow :P | 05:55 |
| ieatlint | and data is already high latency | 05:55 |
| luke-jr | lol | 05:55 |
| luke-jr | it was just for fun | 05:55 |
| luke-jr | but now I can't lookup my domain ☹ | 05:56 |
| ieatlint | lol | 05:56 |
| luke-jr | ieatlint: wanna try for me from another state? :P | 05:56 |
| luke-jr | http://dashjr.org | 05:56 |
| luke-jr | (I know you're in another state cuz T-Mobile claims they have no service in Nebraksa…) | 05:56 |
| ieatlint | as in do a dns lookup? | 05:56 |
| luke-jr | ieatlint: yeah | 05:56 |
| luke-jr | see if they blocked it nationally or just regionally | 05:56 |
| ieatlint | dashjr.org has address 173.242.112.53 dashjr.org has IPv6 address 2001:470:88ff:2e::1 | 05:57 |
| ieatlint | and 3 mx records | 05:57 |
| luke-jr | cool | 05:57 |
| ieatlint | oh, wait | 05:57 |
| luke-jr | that was via T-Mo, right? | 05:57 |
| ieatlint | you mean on the phone | 05:57 |
| luke-jr | …duh | 05:57 |
| ieatlint | hehe, one sec | 05:57 |
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| ieatlint | yeah, the ipv4 A record came up over edge | 05:57 |
| luke-jr | cool | 05:57 |
| luke-jr | good to know I didn't disrupt my site in any meaningful way | 05:58 |
| luke-jr | since T-Mo won't sell to NE, nobody will be affected XD | 05:58 |
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| ieatlint | you may want to lock down your dns server more :P | 05:58 |
| * luke-jr had a friend in Kansas City mail him a SIM card | 05:58 | |
| luke-jr | ieatlint: why? | 05:58 |
| ieatlint | that is, if you care that i can dump your entire confirguation for that domain | 05:58 |
| luke-jr | so? | 05:58 |
| luke-jr | it's all public info anyway | 05:59 |
| luke-jr | that's what DNS is for | 05:59 |
| * ieatlint shrugs | 05:59 | |
| ieatlint | some people care about keeping subdomains more private | 05:59 |
| DangerMaus | yepyep | 05:59 |
| * luke-jr notes he publishes his lat/lon in DNS :P | 06:00 | |
| DangerMaus | hehe | 06:00 |
| luke-jr | actually, I should have my N900 publish its lat/lon in DNS too… | 06:00 |
| luke-jr | or not | 06:00 |
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| luke-jr | that'd be too easily abuse | 06:00 |
| luke-jr | d | 06:00 |
| DangerMaus | hmmm driving through omaha next aug | 06:01 |
| ieatlint | that sounds exciting | 06:01 |
| DangerMaus | beytter than n.dekota | 06:02 |
| ieatlint | haha, ok, maybe | 06:02 |
| ieatlint | also better than utah i guess | 06:02 |
| DangerMaus | or iowa | 06:02 |
| ieatlint | i have friends from iowa that strongly insist that des moines has some nice bars and iowa city isn't bad | 06:03 |
| DangerMaus | montana ok once you hit the mountains | 06:03 |
| DangerMaus | ames is borimg | 06:03 |
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| luke-jr | DangerMaus: well good luck w/ that | 06:06 |
| luke-jr | I now understand *why* T-Mobile says they have no service here | 06:06 |
| luke-jr | it's very spotty | 06:06 |
| DangerMaus | hehe | 06:06 |
| DangerMaus | i had service in northhern WI where they said they had none | 06:06 |
| luke-jr | (and I think Verizon owns the tower) | 06:07 |
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| DangerMaus | had to climb a tree here and there | 06:07 |
| DangerMaus | ridge and vallley problems | 06:08 |
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| DangerMaus | and popped up on att now and then | 06:09 |
| luke-jr | your T-Mo SIM will roam on AT&T? | 06:09 |
| luke-jr | mine won't connect | 06:09 |
| dmj726 | mine will roam on att (at least in Michigan) | 06:10 |
| DangerMaus | heh mine did | 06:10 |
| DangerMaus | had to give it permission the first time | 06:10 |
| DangerMaus | got data too | 06:11 |
| luke-jr | mine won't even login on 3G | 06:11 |
| luke-jr | or connect or whatever 3G does | 06:11 |
| DangerMaus | it wasnt 3g like 2.5 | 06:12 |
| luke-jr | well, 2G then | 06:12 |
| luke-jr | whatever | 06:12 |
| DangerMaus | enough for maps | 06:12 |
| DangerMaus | and to pick up 20 txt in waiting | 06:13 |
| ieatlint | att 3g is incompatible with tmo 3g.. | 06:13 |
| luke-jr | yes, I mean 2G | 06:13 |
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| ieatlint | roaming between att and tmo on 2g is possible, but only in specific regions where pre-existing roaming agreements are in place | 06:13 |
| dmj726 | yeah, att was 2.5g but at least worked | 06:14 |
| DangerMaus | at home i get 3.5 but then not in the rich areas | 06:14 |
| ieatlint | i'm still waiting for tmobile to drop hspda+ here :( | 06:14 |
| luke-jr | ieatlint: be glad you have anything | 06:14 |
| DangerMaus | heh | 06:15 |
| ieatlint | well, i live in a city with notoriously spotty cell coverage | 06:15 |
| luke-jr | someone should start a new cell company where all the customers run towers | 06:15 |
| ieatlint | lots of hills + density + people fighting new towers because it'll give them cancer or some bullshit | 06:15 |
| luke-jr | then to get coverage over a new city you just need to find 10 well-located friends | 06:15 |
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| DangerMaus | where i work i love beimg able to find an open wifi and use skype | 06:16 |
| luke-jr | Skype ftl | 06:16 |
| xae8koo | I can't wait! 2 houres and 45 minutes untill I can call my insurance company and tell them I NEED an Nokia N900 rigth NOW! | 06:16 |
| luke-jr | xae8koo: …? | 06:16 |
| xae8koo | I want a N900 SOO bad! | 06:17 |
| luke-jr | why | 06:17 |
| luke-jr | and wtf does your insurance company have to do with it? | 06:17 |
| DangerMaus | back to the old relay like systems... | 06:17 |
| ieatlint | don't worry, your enthusiasm for the phone will drop once you try to use it :P | 06:17 |
| luke-jr | haha | 06:18 |
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| xae8kooo | I am xae8koo | 06:18 |
| xae8kooo | My terminal disseapered | 06:19 |
| DangerMaus | xae8koo he's just a grouch | 06:19 |
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| xae8kooo | I am currently using a Sony ericson z610i | 06:19 |
| xae8kooo | It is embarrasing! | 06:19 |
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| DangerMaus | this is stsrting to suck only got this as of yesterday when lappie ran outta battery left my glasses at home | 06:21 |
| DangerMaus | with the chargers | 06:21 |
| DangerMaus | atleast the tv has a usb port | 06:22 |
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| TermanaN900 | luke-jr, or 10 well-located churches and flag poles | 06:24 |
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| luke-jr | TermanaN900: … | 06:24 |
| luke-jr | no connectivity w/o power and internet :P | 06:24 |
| DangerMaus | got another lappie with no connectivity and w2k so no pc suit for that | 06:26 |
| xae8koo | Enhanced Linux kernel for power users v2.6.28-maemo37, is it any good? | 06:26 |
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| DangerMaus | no cd drive either... cant find a flash drive to put a live cd on to boot it install linux just sol here luke-jr | 06:27 |
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| luke-jr | xae8koo: sure | 06:42 |
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| DocScrutinizer | for üpwer users... ummpff | 06:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | power* | 06:52 |
| luke-jr | required for normal use though :P | 06:53 |
| luke-jr | some idiot left IPv6 out of the default kernel | 06:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'm NO power user, I'm a nooooooob | 06:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-P | 06:53 |
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| DocScrutinizer | maybe I become less noobish when I install kernel for power users? | 06:54 |
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| luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: nope, you're a n00b for life | 06:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | xae8koo: if you don't know exactly why you *need* another kernel, keep the stock one. A non-standard kernel will give you trouble for sure - not worth if you don't have clearly defined benefit from it to balance the trouble | 06:58 |
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| DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: mhm, yep | 07:30 |
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| xnt14[N900] | Whats the password on Nokia_N900_RX-51_Schematics.pdf? | 07:33 |
| xnt14[N900] | anyone? | 07:36 |
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| xnt14[N900] | hmm | 07:40 |
| * xnt14[N900] pokes someone at random and asks them the bloddy password on the schematics pdf :P | 07:41 | |
| xnt14[N900] | *bloody | 07:41 |
| flux | xnt14[n900], googled a bit and found this quote: "those friggin schematics.pdf was fine on evince on my desktop. N900 says "need password" - wtf?" | 07:44 |
| luke-jr | just disable DRM on your PDF reader? :P | 07:44 |
| xnt14[N900] | flux, hmm, ah :P | 07:45 |
| xnt14[N900] | luke-jr, cmd for N900's pdf reader? | 07:45 |
| luke-jr | nfc | 07:45 |
| * xnt14[N900] stabs his N900 with its stylus | 07:45 | |
| xnt14[N900] | don't have my N810 handy for rading the schematics... | 07:46 |
| xnt14[N900] | **reading | 07:47 |
| xnt14[N900] | my hands hurt from this keyboard... , thats a really embarassing typo :P | 07:48 |
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| luke-jr | xnt14[N900]: N810 would probably do DRM too | 07:52 |
| xnt14[N900] | luke-jr, -_- | 07:53 |
| xnt14[N900] | installing evince atm :) | 07:53 |
| xnt14[N900] | but evince probably isn't hildonized, so it'll kill my eyes :P | 07:53 |
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| DocScrutinizer | xnt14[N900]: use a *decent* pdf viewer, and forget about fsckng password :-P | 07:57 |
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| xnt14[N900] | DocScrutinizer, just installed evince, it works but it hurts my eyes | 07:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | evince is pretty ok, and it works with schematics :-D | 07:58 |
| xnt14[N900] | DocScrutinizer, whats better than evince? | 07:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | no idea | 07:59 |
| xnt14[N900] | hehe | 07:59 |
| xnt14[N900] | hmm | 07:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | I found evince ok for my needs | 07:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer | what's wrong with evince? | 08:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | moo lcuk | 08:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer | lcukn900 even | 08:00 |
| xnt14[N900] | DocScrutinizer, evince + N900 = harming eyes | 08:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | why? | 08:01 |
| xnt14[N900] | cant read pin #s on the schematic | 08:02 |
| xnt14[N900] | text too tiny | 08:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm | 08:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | zoom in then | 08:02 |
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| xnt14[N900] | yes, but then: 1) scrolling is too bouncy, 2) I hate scrolling :P | 08:03 |
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| xnt14[N900] | night | 08:06 |
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| HiDaren | anyone know how to get DNS to work in the xephyr scratchbox? | 08:13 |
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| flux | hidaren, take a look at scratchbox /etc/resolv.conf? | 08:37 |
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| HiDaren | flux: i think i fixed that.. but still no go | 08:43 |
| HiDaren | and i looked at my nsswitch.conf and it seems okay too | 08:43 |
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| rmrfchik | aloha | 10:08 |
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| DangerMaus | docscrutinizer u around? i was wondering if having a fairly strong magnet near the device would send if whacky? | 10:30 |
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| crashanddie | DangerMaus: no, the only thing it does is unlock it | 10:44 |
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| Khertan_ | Hi all ! | 10:48 |
| crashanddie | hi Khertan_! Howzit? | 10:49 |
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| Khertan_ | Brain is not working well :) | 10:49 |
| crashanddie | Praat jij nie Afrikaans nie? | 10:49 |
| crashanddie | Just joking :P | 10:50 |
| Khertan_ | the left part doesn't seems to communicate with the right part | 10:50 |
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| Khertan_ | and you ? | 10:50 |
| crashanddie | yeah, good, second week working :) | 10:50 |
| Khertan_ | did you find any interesting jobs ? | 10:50 |
| crashanddie | yeah, I'm a C++ dev now | 10:50 |
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| Khertan_ | malloc ... dealloc ... malloc ... segfault | 10:51 |
| Khertan_ | arf : | 10:51 |
| Khertan_ | ! | 10:51 |
| crashanddie | C++, not C | 10:51 |
| crashanddie | so more like new and delete :P | 10:51 |
| Khertan_ | :) | 10:51 |
| crashanddie | but yeah, segfault about 10 seconds quicker than C :P | 10:51 |
| crashanddie | bbl | 10:52 |
| Khertan_ | Someone know how to open network connection in qt on maemo if noone exits ? | 10:52 |
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| pupnik_ | "Nvidia says no to Linux on Tegra netbooks, chooses WinCE" <<<--- Mike Rayfield http://www.facebook.com/mrayfield | 10:54 |
| pupnik_ | insert appropriate Bill Hicks quote here | 10:54 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 11:26 |
| timeless | hi | 11:26 |
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| pupnik_ | really just need a serial port and the model 102 would be fine for a lot of things | 11:27 |
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| Khertan_ | morning Jaffa timeless and pupnik_ | 11:34 |
| * timeless sighs | 11:35 | |
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| timeless | "ooh cool; ooh, uncool, idiots!" | 11:35 |
| Khertan_ | Someone know how to open network connection in qt on maemo if noone is open ? | 11:35 |
| pupnik_ | good old Khertan_ ... cheers | 11:35 |
| Khertan_ | :) | 11:35 |
| timeless | i just saw an icon near my bt indicator | 11:35 |
| timeless | and realized how stupid it was :( | 11:35 |
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| kerio | what icon? | 11:36 |
| Khertan_ | Hi x-fade :) | 11:36 |
| timeless | the headset icon | 11:36 |
| kerio | is there a connection manager widget? | 11:36 |
| kerio | timeless: why is that stupid? | 11:36 |
| timeless | kerio: why? | 11:36 |
| timeless | kerio: lemme get a picture | 11:36 |
| X-Fade | hi Khertan_ | 11:37 |
| kerio | timeless! you have access to the nokia hq, right? | 11:38 |
| kerio | release all the source code to wikileaks! | 11:38 |
| Khertan_ | lol | 11:38 |
| timeless | hrm | 11:38 |
| timeless | hq = espoo? | 11:38 |
| timeless | that costs too much | 11:38 |
| timeless | i'd have to take a bus | 11:39 |
| timeless | or a taxi | 11:39 |
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| Khertan_ | in french we usually reply : tu veux pas 100 balles et un mars ? | 11:39 |
| Khertan_ | :) | 11:39 |
| kerio | timeless: not that kind of access, silly | 11:39 |
| Stskeeps | kerio: why would you want people's eyes to bleed | 11:39 |
| kerio | remote access | 11:39 |
| timeless | besides, the info nokia has would bore people out of their skulls, i'd be charged w/ murder | 11:39 |
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| kerio | hack n crack n shit | 11:39 |
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| kerio | timeless: nah, i'd just like a git blame src/bme/main.c | 11:40 |
| timeless | this session doesn't actually have access to the nokia network fwiw | 11:40 |
| timeless | hasn't someone already come forward to take blame for bme? | 11:40 |
| * timeless thought someone did | 11:40 | |
| kerio | or maybe some comment that can explain *WHY* | 11:40 |
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| timeless | "because we were told to" | 11:40 |
| timeless | "because we had to" | 11:41 |
| timeless | "because we were in a hurry" | 11:41 |
| timeless | "because someone requried it" | 11:41 |
| timeless | pick one or more of the above? | 11:41 |
| DuckBoot | "There is no bme" | 11:41 |
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| * timeless hands duckboot a spoon | 11:41 | |
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| kerio | the right way takes less time, works better and has no drawbacks ._. | 11:42 |
| timeless | you must be new here =b | 11:42 |
| kerio | that's what everybody tells me | 11:42 |
| kerio | but they do nothing to change the situation | 11:43 |
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| kerio | so please shut up while i surround myself with happy thoughts and candy | 11:43 |
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| kerio | *omnomnom* | 11:43 |
| * timeless hands out some rose colored glasses | 11:43 | |
| DuckBoot | Uuuh - Shinies | 11:43 |
| pupnik_ | nokia has made many happy thoughts and candy with 770, 800, 810 and 900 | 11:44 |
| kerio | timeless: hmm, can they fit over my own glasses? | 11:44 |
| * timeless gives pupnik 3 'n's | 11:44 | |
| timeless | kerio: sure | 11:44 |
| kerio | pupnik_: bme | 11:44 |
| pupnik_ | timeless: why does android have momentum, while maemo did not | 11:44 |
| kerio | timeless: awesome! | 11:45 |
| * pupnik_ tries to understand | 11:45 | |
| timeless | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJ8mlC3mWW4 | 11:45 |
| frals | because maemo isnt on any massmarket phones.. i assume | 11:45 |
| timeless | pupnik: because google understands marketing? | 11:45 |
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| kerio | /dcc timeless get glasses/rose.gls | 11:45 |
| timeless | and google created a platform which is offered to other hardware vendors | 11:46 |
| timeless | google basically agreed to do most of the software dev | 11:46 |
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| timeless | and provide marketing | 11:46 |
| timeless | leaving the vendors w/ just the task of deploying to hardware | 11:46 |
| timeless | the alternative stacks were symbian and winmo | 11:47 |
| Khertan_ | timeless: and creating the hardware :) | 11:47 |
| timeless | symbian spent 2 years being "opened" which meant it was frozen | 11:47 |
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| timeless | and winmo keeps getting iced and rebooted anyway | 11:47 |
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| nid0 | Khertan_: creating the hardware *is* the easy part for hardware companies | 11:47 |
| timeless | nid0++ | 11:47 |
| Khertan_ | nid0: true :) | 11:47 |
| nid0 | its the software to go with it thats always been hassle, and is the hassle google took away | 11:47 |
| Khertan_ | nid0: but many still fail to create good hw | 11:48 |
| timeless | s/its/it's/ | 11:48 |
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| timeless | khertan: "easy" is relative | 11:48 |
| timeless | besides nid0 didn't say anything about creating good hardware :) | 11:50 |
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| timeless | it takes time to create anything | 11:50 |
| Khertan_ | True | 11:50 |
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| timeless | it takes longer to create software, even bad software. sometimes, especially bad software and, especially, bad software | 11:50 |
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| mece | that's why I'm so slow. | 11:52 |
| mece | hey Khertan_, are you back in extras repos? | 11:52 |
| mece | I saw an update for pypackager | 11:53 |
| Khertan_ | mece: yep | 11:53 |
| Khertan_ | ask to X-Fade how i'm currently bothering him :) | 11:54 |
| mece | Khertan_, that's nice to hear. | 11:54 |
| Khertan_ | mece: i got too many report from user not using the last version of my software | 11:54 |
| mece | is keditor (or whatever it's called) in working condition? | 11:54 |
| Khertan_ | and as i didn't found a way to turn arround the Application manager problem | 11:54 |
| Khertan_ | mece: depends on what you call working condition ... | 11:55 |
| Khertan_ | mece: it was working well except the whitespaceremover plugin which was fixed this morning | 11:55 |
| mece | Khertan_, well I use pygtkeditor now, would you recommend going to keditor already? | 11:55 |
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| mece | I see. ok then. | 11:55 |
| Khertan_ | mece: currently khteditor just do syntax hilight for python | 11:56 |
| Khertan_ | and isn't packaged | 11:56 |
| mece | that's ok. I only do python on device | 11:56 |
| mece | oh :) | 11:56 |
| mece | is it faster than pygtkeditor? for scrolling and such? | 11:56 |
| Khertan_ | mece: but if you want to try it on your device ... you can use the setup.py script | 11:56 |
| Khertan_ | is it faster than pygtkeditor <<< clearly ! | 11:57 |
| mece | ok cool. | 11:57 |
| mece | willl do. | 11:57 |
| mece | where can I find it? | 11:57 |
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| Khertan_ | mece: i ve abandon pygtkeditor for my own use in favor of kht :) | 11:57 |
| Khertan_ | http://gitorious.org/khteditor | 11:57 |
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| Khertan_ | setup.py didn't bother dependancy | 11:58 |
| Khertan_ | so install manually pyqt4 binding before | 11:58 |
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| mece | Khertan_, well I'm already working on pyqt stuff som that's all good. Thanks | 11:59 |
| Khertan_ | mece: there is a button in the toolbar without any icon ... if you click on it ... it ll fill your code comment containing the result of a pylint parse :) | 12:00 |
| Khertan_ | but i warn you that the pylint plugin is still experimental | 12:00 |
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| mece | oki | 12:01 |
| Khertan_ | http://khertan.net/khteditor | 12:01 |
| Khertan_ | and bug tracker : http://khertan.net/khteditor:bugs | 12:01 |
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| Khertan_ | the bugs tracker has just been created | 12:01 |
| Khertan_ | :) | 12:01 |
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| Khertan_ | the bug tracker is experimental too | 12:02 |
| Khertan_ | it s plugin for dokuwiki created recently | 12:02 |
| Khertan_ | :) | 12:02 |
| kerio | because reinventing the wheel is awesome | 12:02 |
| mece | good stuff. I'll just clone so I can pull updates later. | 12:02 |
| kerio | fuck Trac | 12:02 |
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| Khertan_ | kerio: i'm not reinventing the wheel ... as there was no bug tracker for dokuwiki | 12:03 |
| Khertan_ | kerio: and trac doesn't feed my need | 12:03 |
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| kerio | you're reinventing a differently-sized wheel :) | 12:04 |
| Khertan_ | mece: yep you are welcome to clone it, and do not hesitate to submit suggestions, idea, bug fixes ! | 12:05 |
| mece | Khertan_, well, if I come across something. I have a ton of projects and very little time, so don't hold your breath though ;) | 12:06 |
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| Khertan_ | mece: no soucy | 12:06 |
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| mece | setup needs setuptools? | 12:07 |
| Khertan_ | mece: did you know how to open a connection if none is open in a pyqt program ? | 12:07 |
| Khertan_ | mece: hum ... i think | 12:07 |
| Khertan_ | mece: or at least distutils | 12:07 |
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| Khertan_ | but it s available on n900 | 12:08 |
| Khertan_ | as this is the way i install it :) | 12:08 |
| mece | hm Khertan_, no I haven't done it, but Of the top of my head it's in.. http://doc.trolltech.com/4.6/qnetworkrequest.html or something around that. | 12:09 |
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| mece | I usually just use the regular qt references when doing pyqt | 12:10 |
| Khertan_ | i do the same | 12:11 |
| joga | funny thing...at my friend's, my n900 battery lasts a lot less than elsewhere, it showed about 50% when I went to sleep here, and when I woke up it was dead :) nothing happening in the background either and saw no usage during the night | 12:11 |
| SpeedEvil | 'saw no usage' = how | 12:11 |
| mece | do you use their wlan? | 12:11 |
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| SpeedEvil | oh - right | 12:11 |
| kerio | wlan with crappy router with no PSM? | 12:12 |
| joga | yes I use wlan here, but I do at home too without problem | 12:12 |
| kerio | cronjob? | 12:12 |
| joga | but it also does that without wlan | 12:12 |
| Khertan_ | mece: but QNetworkResquest just do a request and but i do my request thought urllib2 and just want to open the connection | 12:12 |
| SpeedEvil | wlan without powersave working wll last several hours. wlan with powersave working lasts sreveral days | 12:12 |
| joga | I only remembered she had a wlan last week | 12:12 |
| joga | but good point still | 12:13 |
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| nid0 | could just be some random snafu unrelated to location, I had that happen to me once at home | 12:13 |
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| SpeedEvil | pathalogical recamping can do that too | 12:13 |
| mece | lol | 12:14 |
| nid0 | went to bed with the battery on like 80%, woke up to find the device had died in the middle of the night, for no reason at like 1am the battery power according to battery-eye just dropped like a stone | 12:14 |
| joga | guess I'll have to get another charger here ;) | 12:14 |
| mece | Khertan_, ok yeah but urllib2 doesn't ask the phone to connect iirc, it just goes "damn, nothing" and gives up. | 12:14 |
| kerio | mece: there's a dbus command to make the connection window come up | 12:15 |
| Khertan_ | kerio: did you know it ? | 12:17 |
| kerio | no | 12:17 |
| kerio | not sure how maemo apps do it | 12:18 |
| kerio | using the tablet connection manager maybe | 12:18 |
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| mece | abill_uk is at it again :D | 12:46 |
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| Khertan_ | mece: on whine.maemo.org ? | 12:50 |
| pupnik_ | i think the nokia tablets were a bit ahead of their time | 12:51 |
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| stonda | abill's agenda seems a bit unclear for me (besides all the whine regarding support, support and support) | 12:52 |
| mece | Khertan_, yep. It's very entertaining. | 12:52 |
| Khertan_ | or not ... this is one of the reason i didn't read t.m.o anymore | 12:53 |
| Khertan_ | i read one or two post by month | 12:53 |
| Khertan_ | not more | 12:53 |
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| Khertan_ | https://garage.maemo.org/pipermail/extras-cauldron-builds/2010-August/026580.html | 12:59 |
| Khertan_ | oups | 12:59 |
| timeless | oh right | 12:59 |
| timeless | http://konigsberg.mozilla.org/headset.png | 12:59 |
| timeless | someone was asking why i didn't like the icon | 13:00 |
| timeless | take a look at the icon | 13:00 |
| timeless | how many people here have headsets where one headphone is half as tall as the other?! | 13:00 |
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| MiXu- | :) | 13:00 |
| Khertan_ | timeless: yeah it s stupid ... they should expand the status bar by 20 just for displaying the icon :) | 13:01 |
| Khertan_ | s/20/20 pixel | 13:01 |
| timeless | -- | 13:02 |
| Corsac | I have no problem recognizing a microphone though :) | 13:02 |
| timeless | An HTTP error 0 occured. | 13:02 |
| Khertan_ | ? | 13:03 |
| Khertan_ | i use webchat :) | 13:03 |
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| mece | pupnik, what's this now? | 13:03 |
| pupnik_ | what what | 13:05 |
| timeless | /comments/anon_vote/comment/598166/1/1 | 13:05 |
| pupnik_ | a present mece | 13:05 |
| pupnik_ | respect | 13:05 |
| Khertan_ | bbl | 13:05 |
| timeless | khertan: nah, they just need to use a different size for things... | 13:05 |
| MohammadAG51 | who's attending the conference? | 13:06 |
| timeless | ?? | 13:07 |
| MohammadAG51 | MeeGo conference | 13:07 |
| X-Fade | MohammadAG51: http://conference2010.meego.com/attendees :) | 13:08 |
| jani-work | trying my best to get someone else to pay for it - if that happens, i'll be there. | 13:08 |
| MohammadAG51 | X-Fade, ty, thought the list was private | 13:08 |
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| kerio | i still don't get why rsync hogs cpu and ram this way | 13:16 |
| kerio | is there a cheaper check that i can set? | 13:16 |
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| Khertan_ | Personnaly i don't think i ll come to the summit | 13:20 |
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| lcuk | Khertan_, conference, its a conference :p | 13:20 |
| frals | hmm | 13:21 |
| lcuk | hey frals, back at your house now? | 13:21 |
| Khertan_ | lcuk: same | 13:21 |
| Khertan_ | lcuk: http://maemo.org/packages/view/khweeteur/ | 13:23 |
| frals | lcuk: yeah back in .fi now, got in this morning | 13:23 |
| lcuk | cool | 13:23 |
| frals | lcuk: me and a billion mosquito bites | 13:23 |
| lcuk | o_O | 13:23 |
| lcuk | I took jake for a walk yesterday | 13:23 |
| lcuk | and he was good as gold | 13:24 |
| frals | itching all over.. great combination with being up since 0400 :D | 13:24 |
| lcuk | but when I got back I realised we had walked 5k | 13:24 |
| frals | hehe | 13:24 |
| ilius | how do i start a local proxy in N900? | 13:24 |
| lcuk | ilius, you mean a proxy thats usable by other machines on your network? | 13:24 |
| ilius | like toonel or yourfreedom.net | 13:24 |
| lcuk | or configure the proxy setting on your default connection? | 13:24 |
| ilius | lcuk: no just for use in my device | 13:25 |
| lcuk | ilius, afaik, you can set the proxy from the connection settings dialog | 13:25 |
| ilius | lcuk: no i know that | 13:25 |
| ilius | asuming that i haven't a vpn or a personal proxy server | 13:26 |
| ilius | i want to start a local proxy sever | 13:26 |
| ilius | *server | 13:26 |
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| frals | ilius: same way you do on debian then, more or less ;) | 13:27 |
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| Khertan_ | http://khertan.net/khweeteur | 13:31 |
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| lcuk | holy crap | 13:37 |
| lcuk | We just uploaded livewallpaper 0.8 and xscreensaver to extras-devel. | 13:37 |
| lcuk | Please test it. | 13:37 |
| lcuk | Important! Please reboot your device after update. | 13:37 |
| lcuk | We need community help. | 13:37 |
| lcuk | Xscreensaver has 124 themes. | 13:37 |
| Khertan_ | lol ... lcuk the microsoft dev ! update require a reboot ! | 13:39 |
| Khertan_ | huhu | 13:39 |
| lcuk | Khertan_, no, this is live wallpaper from vlad http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=45728&page=36 | 13:39 |
| Khertan_ | no excuse | 13:39 |
| Khertan_ | :=) | 13:40 |
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| jacekowski | is livewallpaper still slowish? | 13:40 |
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| MohammadAG51 | not as slow as before | 13:41 |
| MohammadAG51 | not 60fps | 13:41 |
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| BCMM_ | lcuk: theme as in xscreensaver "hack", right? | 13:44 |
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| lcuk | BCMM_, xscreensaver is just x11 instructions to draw onto the screen at screensaver time, those appear to have just been redirected inside | 13:44 |
| lcuk | so its not a "hack" as suh | 13:44 |
| lcuk | such | 13:45 |
| BCMM_ | lcuk: uh, xscreensaver screensavers are called "xscreensaver hacks" | 13:45 |
| BCMM_ | aren't they? | 13:45 |
| lcuk | well then yes! :p | 13:45 |
| lcuk | i dunno | 13:45 |
| BCMM_ | anyway, by "theme", you mean "screensaver"? | 13:45 |
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| lcuk | yes | 13:46 |
| BCMM_ | also, what does livewallpaper do? can it show xscreensaver hacks on the desktop? | 13:46 |
| lcuk | BCMM_, yes | 13:47 |
| lcuk | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=787001#post787001 | 13:47 |
| lcuk | video here | 13:47 |
| BCMM_ | oh, neat | 13:47 |
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| BCMM_ | does livescreensaver use CPU time when the display is locked or the desktop is not visible? | 13:50 |
| lcuk | BCMM_, undetermined at the moment, its work in progress and vlad knows this requirement | 13:50 |
| lcuk | hence it not being at 1.0 yet :) | 13:51 |
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| alterego | I think we need a wiki page to clear up all this crap about maemo5 maemo6 harmattan and MeeGo | 13:53 |
| alterego | It's getting really annoying the noise of people getting it wrong, which just makes more people believe the wrong statements. | 13:53 |
| alterego | It's like chinese whispers or something. | 13:54 |
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| c3l_ | alterego, I'd read that page! I've been trying to find info about that but there's nothing good out there | 13:58 |
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| alterego | unabill_uk ... | 14:05 |
| * alterego chuckles | 14:05 | |
| alterego | I'm a bad man. | 14:05 |
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| IcanCU | how well does a-gps work on the n900? | 14:12 |
| IcanCU | as well as on other nokia devices? | 14:12 |
| alterego | IcanCU: depends on who you ask, it works very well for me. | 14:12 |
| IcanCU | i see | 14:12 |
| IcanCU | ive been using nokia's some time now | 14:13 |
| IcanCU | but no maemo | 14:13 |
| IcanCU | none of my nokia's seemed to have a clue about where they were | 14:13 |
| alterego | I'm pretty much certain to get a lock within 10-30 seconds, depending on the environment. | 14:13 |
| IcanCU | until they got a proper gps fix | 14:13 |
| IcanCU | for me its always like 1 minutes or so | 14:13 |
| alterego | Interesting, AGPS worked fine for me on the N96 | 14:13 |
| IcanCU | i mean 15 minutes | 14:13 |
| alterego | Though the N96 bis probably the worst Nokia I've had ;) | 14:13 |
| alterego | IcanCU: 15 minutes is somewhat ridiculous, were you inside? | 14:14 |
| IcanCU | in a car | 14:14 |
| IcanCU | also a gps doesn't seem to help at all | 14:14 |
| SpeedEvil | some cars have GPS opaque windows | 14:14 |
| IcanCU | but when i open google maps | 14:14 |
| IcanCU | it knows where i am immediately | 14:14 |
| IcanCU | even with gps turned off | 14:15 |
| alterego | It's much harder to get a lock when you're moving relatively fast (i.e. car) | 14:15 |
| MohammadAG51 | IP | 14:15 |
| achipa | X-Fade: ping | 14:15 |
| alterego | Trick is to get a lock before you set off, stick your handset on the car roof for a minute or two before you leave. | 14:15 |
| IcanCU | ok | 14:15 |
| MohammadAG51 | or strap it on the roof and vnc into it | 14:15 |
| alterego | MohammadAG51: :) | 14:15 |
| MohammadAG51 | :P | 14:15 |
| X-Fade | achipa: pong | 14:16 |
| IcanCU | how come nokia maps don't know where i am.. not even in what country | 14:16 |
| alterego | You could mount it near the rear and use the camera as a rear view too ;) | 14:16 |
| IcanCU | without gps | 14:16 |
| MohammadAG51 | it doesn't use IPs? | 14:16 |
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| alterego | I wonder how much lower the N900 will go | 14:16 |
| achipa | X-Fade: if we have, say, a package that is specifically for <PR1.2, can that be somehow promoted to the old repos ? | 14:16 |
| X-Fade | No. | 14:17 |
| IcanCU | the N900 hasn't dropped in price in holland since launch | 14:17 |
| X-Fade | Not until we use OBS for repo creation. | 14:17 |
| achipa | X-Fade: ah well | 14:17 |
| IcanCU | its still 499 in most strores | 14:17 |
| alterego | .uk it's come down quite a bit. | 14:18 |
| X-Fade | achipa: It would require a lot of work to get it done properly at least. | 14:18 |
| alterego | You can also get it on PAYG plans now for half it's price on nokia.com originally .. | 14:18 |
| SwedeMike | IcanCU: buy it from germany? | 14:18 |
| achipa | X-Fade: ok, it's not a critical package so I'll just suggest keeping it in extras-devel and have it properly advertise PR version in the title | 14:18 |
| alterego | achipa: why are you back supporting anyway? | 14:19 |
| alterego | achipa: also, maybe make the depends field explicitly depend on the version of the maemo release you're targetting, that will make it hard for anyone else to install it. | 14:19 |
| achipa | alterego: not me, somebody submitted a package to QA pre-1.2 | 14:19 |
| IcanCU | i'm thinking about getting a N900 as a small home computer | 14:20 |
| IcanCU | for skype and to control my media center | 14:20 |
| achipa | alterego: that don't work, the appmanager won't let you do that | 14:20 |
| MohammadAG51 | why | 14:20 |
| alterego | Eh, are you sure? | 14:20 |
| achipa | X-Fade: the other issue... have you seen that libsdl-2.0-0 thingy ? | 14:20 |
| alterego | bbiam | 14:20 |
| achipa | alterego: absolutely. It's a safeguard so packages would not block OTA | 14:21 |
| achipa | alterego: I experienced it firsthand with tweakflashver - when I wanted to depend on the exact package of flash... BAM - policy violation | 14:21 |
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| X-Fade | achipa: sdl is a pain :( | 14:22 |
| achipa | X-Fade: I'm talking packaging mainly, why are they pushing pointless updates into extras when it's Nokia repo material anyway ? | 14:22 |
| X-Fade | achipa: which package? | 14:23 |
| achipa | X-Fade: <achipa> X-Fade: the other issue... have you seen that libsdl-2.0-0 thingy ? | 14:23 |
| X-Fade | achipa: I don't see that being updated in extras? | 14:24 |
| achipa | X-Fade: for example http://maemo.org/packages/view/libsdl-ttf2.0-0/ | 14:24 |
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| X-Fade | achipa: Well that is not nokia pushing it ;) | 14:25 |
| achipa | X-Fade: okay, indt then, you nitpick :P | 14:25 |
| IcanCU | are n900 users more like to go on irc? | 14:25 |
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| X-Fade | achipa: Well libsdl-ttf2.0 is a nokia package. -0 is a safe repacement? | 14:26 |
| lcuk | morning ka \o | 14:26 |
| achipa | X-Fade: err... no | 14:26 |
| KA | lcuk: o/ | 14:26 |
| X-Fade | achipa: different name to bypass domain restrictions? | 14:27 |
| achipa | X-Fade: it the same we-started-in-extras-but-moved-to-nokia-repo-without-telling story | 14:27 |
| X-Fade | achipa: For the ttf case we had it on device, but not in the sdk repo. This was fixed in some release. | 14:28 |
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| X-Fade | achipa: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10450 | 14:29 |
| povbot | Bug 10450: libsdl-ttf2.0 missing from device repositories | 14:29 |
| achipa | X-Fade: the problem is there is no chance the app manager (or even apr-get) will pick up the last one in extras-devel and replace the old one from extras properly | 14:29 |
| kerio | that's why you don't use SSU | 14:29 |
| kerio | you reflash!1!1!1 | 14:29 |
| X-Fade | achipa: The one in extras was there because people couldn't build ttf based apps. | 14:29 |
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| KA | lcuk: working now, my local config problem. | 14:30 |
| KA | uploaded | 14:30 |
| lcuk | heh always the way \o/ | 14:30 |
| lcuk | bonus | 14:30 |
| lcuk | so which package is that? | 14:30 |
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| _berto_ | will we do this too on maemo's birthday? http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=592392 | 14:31 |
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| KA | lcuk: spatialite for the moment, then mapbuddy 0.4 | 14:31 |
| achipa | X-Fade: I'm reading the bug rept, but the problem is the same - that transitional package is only in extras-devel and will have a hard time reaching end-users who already have a previous version installed | 14:32 |
| achipa | X-Fade: and then if a newer package comes along that depends directly on the one in the nokia repo, poof | 14:32 |
| X-Fade | achipa: No that works. | 14:32 |
| lcuk | _berto_, lol yes, of course we will stop iceweasel from working for a day :P | 14:32 |
| kerio | the package was libsdl-mixer1.2 | 14:33 |
| X-Fade | achipa: As that is the one on device. | 14:33 |
| kerio | held back by mp-fremantle-generic-pr | 14:33 |
| _berto_ | lcuk: LOL | 14:33 |
| X-Fade | achipa: Anyway, things like this really make it obvious that we need to switch to OBS asap ;) | 14:34 |
| achipa | X-Fade: what am I doing wrong, then: http://pastebin.com/7FGcFMph | 14:34 |
| X-Fade | achipa: As then the entire repo just rebuilds automatically if something changes. | 14:34 |
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| achipa | (note that I already had the old libsdl-ttf-2.0-0, via brainparty/fheroes2/enigma) | 14:36 |
| X-Fade | achipa: I guess it comes from this: http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_armel/python-pygame/1.9.1release-0maemo1/ | 14:38 |
| achipa | X-Fade: the point is, it's not exactly good if you can install an app only depending on what other apps have you installed previously :) In other words, why not add provides/replaces/conflicts to the nokia package and kill it altogether from extras ? | 14:40 |
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| X-Fade | achipa: Have you seen glaciers move? | 14:41 |
| X-Fade | achipa: Same thing there. | 14:41 |
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| achipa | X-Fade: I have packaged apps through an SSH X tunnel to a machine running VMWare, which had an ubuntu image containing scratchbox for diablo. Does that count ? | 14:43 |
| DuckBoot | X-Fade: I have seen glaciers move, and when the right conditions are in place, they move pretty fast. | 14:44 |
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| achipa | X-Fade: so what do we do with QA ? Say 'hey, pykake works, but only if you have not previously installed brainparty' ? Shrug ? | 14:45 |
| X-Fade | achipa: Whell no SSU will ever work when you have brainparty installed. | 14:46 |
| X-Fade | or any gles1 app for that matter. | 14:46 |
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| achipa | X-Fade: ok, enigma then :) | 14:47 |
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| X-Fade | achipa: I would reopen the bug and see what can be done if I were you. | 14:48 |
| achipa | X-Fade: aye | 14:48 |
| X-Fade | achipa: I can remove the package from Extras, but that doesn't solve much? | 14:48 |
| achipa | X-Fade: it would if the nokia one had the provides clause :) :( | 14:50 |
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| Khertan_ | http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2010/08/oracle-sues-google-over-use-of-java-in-android-sdk.ars | 14:53 |
| Khertan_ | ouch | 14:54 |
| achipa | Khertan_: ju$t bu$ine$$ a$ u$ual, nothing to $ee | 14:55 |
| jacekowski | i really hope oracle will win this one | 14:57 |
| jacekowski | and then they will not license java to google | 14:57 |
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| Khertan_ | i hope too ... and they noone will use java anymore ... and Python could rule the world ! (Pinky and the brain background sound) | 14:58 |
| DuckBoot | jacekowski: They will probs agree on Google paying <shitloads>$ to Oracle, and then business will be as usual. | 14:58 |
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| jacekowski | i hope they will not | 14:59 |
| jacekowski | and that we there will be no more shitdroid | 15:00 |
| MohammadAG | anyone got any ideas how to install reprepro without root access? | 15:00 |
| DuckBoot | jacekowski: Way too much money invested in Android, so google will pay _alot_ to see that it will not be discontinued. | 15:00 |
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| achipa | DuckBoot: that is the point - they dont want it dead, they want to milk it | 15:01 |
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| DuckBoot | MohammadAG: --force-not-root | 15:02 |
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| DuckBoot | MohammadAG: Option for dpkg | 15:02 |
| MohammadAG | seriously? | 15:02 |
| MohammadAG | dpkg: operation requires read/write access to dpkg status area | 15:03 |
| DuckBoot | MohammadAG: and use --instdir=dir to put somwhere you have write-access | 15:03 |
| MohammadAG | hmm | 15:03 |
| DuckBoot | MohammadAG: And --admindir=dir | 15:04 |
| DuckBoot | MohammadAG: To fake /var/lib/dpkg | 15:04 |
| DuckBoot | ;-P | 15:04 |
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| Khertan_ | Youhou !!! My favorite game is now free : http://ioquake3.org/2010/08/12/welcome-wolfenstein-enemy-territory-and-return-to-castle-wolfenstein/ | 15:06 |
| Khertan_ | at least the engine | 15:06 |
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| Corsac | yeah :) | 15:07 |
| kerio | enemy territory was always free, wasn't it? | 15:07 |
| Corsac | free as in beer | 15:07 |
| kerio | oh, now it's been opensourced? | 15:07 |
| Corsac | yes | 15:07 |
| kerio | big deal | 15:07 |
| kerio | old game | 15:07 |
| koala_man | alley cat is an old game. this is still relevant | 15:08 |
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| kerio | timeless: you're a mac user, right? do you use itunes? | 15:08 |
| lcuk | chess is an old game | 15:08 |
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| kerio | lcuk: sorry, i'll get off your lawn now | 15:09 |
| lcuk | if you were on my lawn you would already be shot | 15:09 |
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| MohammadAG | lcuk, auto machine gun? | 15:13 |
| kerio | HEAVYMASCHINEGUN! | 15:14 |
| kerio | RAWKET LAWNCHAIR | 15:14 |
| Khertan_ | 100 people registered at Meego Conf in less than a week ... are they hoping a free device ? :) | 15:15 |
| * alterego burps, in your face! | 15:16 | |
| MohammadAG | ./reprepro: error while loading shared libraries: libarchive.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory | 15:16 |
| MohammadAG | how do I force it load the lib from a different dir? | 15:16 |
| Khertan_ | --force | 15:16 |
| Corsac | Khertan_: guess so :) | 15:16 |
| Corsac | MohammadAG: LD_LIBRARY_PATH? | 15:16 |
| MohammadAG | ty | 15:16 |
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| kerio | really, is it normal that rsync through ssh brings my n900 down? | 15:22 |
| kerio | :/ | 15:22 |
| kerio | how can i speed it up? | 15:22 |
| cehteh | how do you use it? | 15:22 |
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| kerio | cehteh: rsync -vru --modify-window=5 --delete --exclude '*DS_Store' --exclude '._*' ~/Music/iTunes/iTunes\ Music/Music/ ~/Music/iTunes/iTunes\ Music/Audiobooks/ root@10.0.2.6:/home/user/MyDocs/rec/Music | 15:23 |
| cehteh | rsync on FAT filesystem works bad, fat iirc has only 2 seconds fule time precision | 15:23 |
| kerio | i know :) | 15:23 |
| cehteh | i sometimes nice/ionice rsync or even use --bwlimit | 15:24 |
| cehteh | of course takes longer then, but doesnt bring the device down | 15:24 |
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| cehteh | see also what the -a sets you may need some of them (update times on the dest!) and -P is also favorable or at least --partial | 15:25 |
| MohammadAG | hmm, what's Label in reprepro for? | 15:25 |
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| * cehteh usually uses -aPH | 15:25 | |
| alterego | Finally managed to get Qt 4.7 + Madde + Qt Creator to work :) | 15:25 |
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| kerio | cehteh: the time update is done by u | 15:32 |
| kerio | i can't and shouldn't use a, that also preserves permissions | 15:32 |
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| kerio | kerio on my computer is uid 501 | 15:32 |
| kerio | user on the n900 is... different | 15:32 |
| kerio | i mean, i'm using root, but still | 15:32 |
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| kerio | could it be that ssh is hogging the cpu? | 15:58 |
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| SpeedEvil | for what? | 15:58 |
| ShadowJK | Sometimes pepople try bruteforce my password | 15:58 |
| timeless | disable passwords | 15:58 |
| SpeedEvil | Clearly the best solution. | 15:58 |
| ShadowJK | That doesn't stop them from trying? | 15:59 |
| ShadowJK | still eats battery :) | 15:59 |
| DuckBoot | ShadowJK: iptables | 16:00 |
| DuckBoot | Or - still battery-issue. | 16:00 |
| ShadowJK | "stop sshd" works too ;p | 16:00 |
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| chem|st | kerio: -a is archive and does the same as -rlptgoD where -t is preserve times | 16:01 |
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| kerio | SpeedEvil: for the transfer | 16:01 |
| kerio | i mean, using socat or something like that would probably be faster | 16:02 |
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| crashanddie | people are trying to bruteforce your n900's SSH password? | 16:04 |
| crashanddie | Where the heck are you, on the wifi of a russian mob? | 16:05 |
| MohammadAG | LOL | 16:06 |
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| kerio | crashanddie: nah, they'd just hit you until you reveal the password | 16:10 |
| chem|st | ShadowJK: changeing the port does magic ;) | 16:11 |
| MohammadAG | till they do a port scan | 16:12 |
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| crashanddie | port scan doesn't help against port change | 16:15 |
| crashanddie | as long as you don't use a standard port | 16:15 |
| crashanddie | port scanning takes heaps of time, especially a DPS | 16:15 |
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| Arkenoi | omfg. next thing afer database corruption: "unable to send or receive new messages, device storage full". needless to say there is plenty of space on all filesystems | 16:42 |
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| DuckBoot | Arkenoi: ? - You got database corruption? | 16:49 |
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| Khertan__ | Hi ! | 16:51 |
| Khertan__ | again :) | 16:51 |
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| lcuk | question: is there a nokia phone emulator around? I mean something to run in maemo and simulate whole old style nokia phone (with snake!) | 16:55 |
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| hardaker | lcuk: if you build snake from source it should run in the qtcreator emulator | 16:58 |
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| hardaker | but then, if you have the source you could run it on the desktop ;-) | 16:58 |
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| SpeedEvil | There is a snake in extras | 16:59 |
| SpeedEvil | it's not very original-like | 17:00 |
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| lcuk | hardaker, i am talking about the full original monochrome UX and even button presses where practical | 17:00 |
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| hardaker | ad | 17:00 |
| hardaker | ah | 17:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer | interesting idea, just for the laughs and giggles | 17:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer | now if it also would emulate monitor mode ( http://nobbi.com/phones.htm ) that would actually be a great thing :-D | 17:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer | shouldn't be too hard to create an emulator for the whole "UI and application system OS" as found on e.g. a 6210-1.gen | 17:16 |
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| kerio | 3310 ftw | 17:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | too new :-P | 17:18 |
| kerio | one of the best phones *ever* made imo | 17:18 |
| kerio | the 6120c is probably the modern day equivalent | 17:18 |
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| Funnyface | how's N900 USB host mode getting along? | 17:20 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I'm talking about that one though http://de.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Datei:Nokia_6210_ladestation_01.JPG&filetimestamp=20061216190656 | 17:20 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Funnyface: slowly | 17:20 |
| Funnyface | hmm :P | 17:22 |
| SpeedEvil | yeah. | 17:24 |
| SpeedEvil | Sit on a 3310. | 17:24 |
| SpeedEvil | 'I'd better move, this is uncomfortable'. | 17:24 |
| SpeedEvil | Sit on n900. 'Oh noes!' | 17:24 |
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| kerio | still haven't finished the rsync ._. | 17:26 |
| sp3000 | Sit on a ... k, I'll get me coat | 17:26 |
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| SpeedEvil | sp3000: Especially if it's running sybianOS | 17:27 |
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| sp3000 | why don't I bring your coat too :) | 17:29 |
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| kwtm | Hi! Quick question about "X Terminal" on N900/Maemo 5: sometimes I have the arrow icon on the lower right corner that lets me cut&paste, and sometimes the icon is not present. How can I have the icon appear if it is not there? | 17:33 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | there's no sshfs in Diablo? | 17:33 |
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| ShadowJK | kwtm, it's not there if there's nothing to scroll | 17:35 |
| ShadowJK | so copy/paste should work if it's not there | 17:35 |
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| kwtm | ShadowJK: Oh, so if there's nothing to scroll I can still highlight text and do copy paste? Hmm, that's not what I found, so I must be doing something wrong, then. | 17:36 |
| kwtm | ShadowJK: Thanks for the info. | 17:36 |
| ShadowJK | that's the idea anyway :/ | 17:36 |
| ShadowJK | like, if I open new xterm, the arrow icon in lower left is missing | 17:37 |
| kwtm | ShadowJK: Maybe vim takes control of the scrolling so X Terminal thinks it's doing a copy/paste, but I can't seem to copy properly when I highlight and vim leaps out with the "Visual" mode... | 17:37 |
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| ShadowJK | when I press enter until first line scrolls offscreen, the arrow icon appears | 17:37 |
| kwtm | ShadowJK: I see. Thx! | 17:38 |
| ShadowJK | Oh, if vim uses "mouse", then vim controls what pointer/mouse/touchscreen does | 17:38 |
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| ShadowJK | I know nano does this too, and just moves the cursor when I tap, until I turn mouse mode off | 17:39 |
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| kwtm | ShadowJK: Right. I was hoping it would be like MicroB where you can put it in "quit using my mouse!" mode, and you can highlight instead of having the program (vim/MicroB) respond to the mouse/pointer. | 17:39 |
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| ShadowJK | vim is in control of it entirely I think | 17:39 |
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| DocScrutinizer | well, how would you highlight text to mark for copy in vim, without using a mouse? | 17:40 |
| kwtm | ShadowJK: Yeah, vim is in control of me entirely, too. :P When I program using vim, half the time I'm looking up the reference for vim, not the actual programming language. :P | 17:40 |
| tobis87 | Hi! Does anyone mind to recompile Dosbox with propper INT28 support? http://pastebin.com/aUiBGacZ | 17:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer | in a 'usual editor' you'd moce the cursor while holding shift | 17:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | move* | 17:41 |
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| tobis87 | Dosbox with int28 will sleep if nothing is typed at the command prompt. And therefore reduce battery usage. | 17:42 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | tobis87: good find. You should post it to the maemo-dosbox project homepage, wherever that might be | 17:45 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | or even open a ticket for it | 17:45 |
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| tobis87 | DocScrutinizer51: On bugs.maemo.org? I thought It was just build and not really supported. | 17:46 |
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| satmd | DocScrutinizer: esc, v, move the cursor | 17:49 |
| satmd | called 'visual mode' | 17:49 |
| tobis87 | DocScrutinizer51: It's in extras-testing and the promotian was rejected. It should be easy through, I think a apt-get source dosbox, patch and dpkg-buildpackage should do it. | 17:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | when it's in testing, then there has to be a bugtracker link to point you to where such bugfix should get posted | 17:52 |
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| tobis87 | DocScrutinizer51: No it has not a bugtracker: http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/dosbox/0.73-7maemo5/ | 17:53 |
| MohammadAG | DEMOTE!!! | 17:54 |
| MohammadAG | tbh | 17:54 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | sure when dosbox eats cpu like mad by polling user input, then it's been rejected for promoting for good reason | 17:54 |
| MohammadAG | the check should be automatic | 17:54 |
| MohammadAG | if something doesn't have a bug tracker, reject | 17:54 |
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| kerio | yay, rsync complete | 17:55 |
| kerio | now to index 13gb of music | 17:55 |
| kerio | :/ | 17:55 |
| MohammadAG | lol | 17:55 |
| * RST38bis politely asks the Tentacled One to either disconnect .gr from the Net completely, or make it stop doing what it is currently doing | 17:56 | |
| kerio | what's .gr? | 17:56 |
| aquatix | greece? | 17:58 |
| aquatix | RST38bis: what's up? | 17:58 |
| zash | yes | 17:58 |
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| zash | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.gr = win | 17:58 |
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| RST38bis | aquatix: hot, humid, internet cheap but unstable | 17:59 |
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| RST38bis | aquatix: + it looks like the whole country shuts down for Monday afternoon, no idea why | 18:01 |
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| CutMeOwnThroat | mmh, the application manager on my N810 says (no applications installed) | 18:01 |
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| CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg -l shows installed packages, though | 18:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~seen javispedro | 18:02 |
| infobot | javispedro <~javier@Maemo/community/council/javispedro> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 81d 14h 3m 34s ago, saying: 'oh.. aisleriot solitaire with clutter/3D vista-like animations! port port port !'. | 18:02 |
| * RST38bis also met a wifi ap that does not like powersaving, for the first time. Guess those poor complaining souls were right after all... | 18:04 | |
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| CutMeOwnThroat | doesn't the application manager just run dpkg -l to get the list? | 18:04 |
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| tobis87 | So if anyone has some spare time, could he/she please compile dosbox with int28? | 18:06 |
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| aquatix | RST38bis: ah, right | 18:06 |
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| cheriff | has anyone tried a 'remote wipe' of an N900 activesync client? Is it just the exchang-ish stuff? (i.e. can the system recognise that as a 'ive been stolen' cue and nuke other things? even wait for PUK code?) | 18:20 |
| frals | err, is that even implemented in the n900?` | 18:21 |
| cheriff | i see the option there on owa but im not game to try it | 18:21 |
| cheriff | frals: the rest of activesync seems to be | 18:22 |
| cheriff | i guess thats my question :) | 18:22 |
| frals | dont think the n900 supports remote wipe since it isnt a provisioned device in exchange eyes but dunno | 18:22 |
| timeless | it doesn't support it | 18:23 |
| timeless | the MfE team wanted to add support | 18:23 |
| timeless | but they couldn't get whatever was required | 18:23 |
| kerio | mental sanity? | 18:23 |
| timeless | it's also unclear *how* to remote wipe w/ a Flash based file system | 18:23 |
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| timeless | i think the only real way to support it is for the entire file system to be encrypted | 18:23 |
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| kerio | timeless: dd if=/dev/zero? | 18:24 |
| timeless | kerio: have you ever used a flash based file system? | 18:24 |
| timeless | do you know how it works? | 18:24 |
| kerio | nope | 18:24 |
| timeless | among fun things, dd tends to fail when it hits errors | 18:24 |
| timeless | and flash based files systems are built assuming errors | 18:24 |
| kerio | hmm | 18:24 |
| kerio | what about the eMMC? | 18:24 |
| crashanddie | timeless: nope, no encryption required for MfE remote wipe -- at least, not full encryption. You just need OS signature to ensure you're running a controlled OS, AFAIK | 18:24 |
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| timeless | they also tend to remap fields | 18:24 |
| timeless | eMMC is no different when you get down to it | 18:24 |
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| timeless | you aren't really directly addressing a raw array of bits | 18:25 |
| timeless | you're addressing a wear-leveled system | 18:25 |
| timeless | which intentionally avoids writing to the same locations | 18:25 |
| cheriff | timeless: interesting (about the sync/wipe) thanks. | 18:25 |
| timeless | meaning the data that was there before what you tried to replace | 18:25 |
| timeless | is almost certainly going to be there | 18:25 |
| timeless | because that's the *last* place the system wants to write | 18:26 |
| timeless | cheriff: basically, the MfE team is aware and really wants to help | 18:26 |
| timeless | but the technology kinda sucks | 18:26 |
| cheriff | im impressed exchange support works as well as it does! | 18:26 |
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| timeless | w/ crypto, it's vaguely possible | 18:26 |
| cheriff | which is more than i can say for MSs own Entourage on mac :/ | 18:26 |
| timeless | if you can ensure that the *only* place which held the cert is destroyed | 18:26 |
| timeless | cheriff: yeah, my manager hates entourage | 18:27 |
| timeless | i dunno, for me, it more or less works | 18:27 |
| timeless | but i didn't become a Mail.app/iCal.app addict | 18:27 |
| timeless | i just use my n900s :) | 18:27 |
| timeless | and yeah, they work ! :) | 18:27 |
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| crashanddie | cheriff: entourage works fine? | 18:27 |
| timeless | the old Palms which required a physical battery to retain memory were some of the few devices where remote wiping really works :) | 18:28 |
| cheriff | i find it usable enough, just weirded out that it resorts to polling teh server every 7 mins. Phone gets emails instantly, pc gets it (time % 7) mins later :) | 18:28 |
| timeless | everything else is kinda a lot of hand waving | 18:28 |
| timeless | unless they really rewrite each sector a dozen times or something | 18:28 |
| crashanddie | cheriff: same thing on outlook | 18:29 |
| timeless | cheriff: heh | 18:29 |
| * timeless uses 30min sync w/ n900 | 18:29 | |
| timeless | i get mail too often to want constant updates | 18:29 |
| timeless | and 99.99% of it is spam | 18:29 |
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| crashanddie | I went to 3h email fetching | 18:30 |
| cheriff | timeless: true. although a simple delete, enough to stop some damn kid who stole my phone from reading work email would be a good 1st pass. holding up to determined espionage can wait :) | 18:30 |
| cheriff | but no big deal, i' just curious, really | 18:30 |
| timeless | cheriff: for that, you can get smoeone to make a third party app... | 18:30 |
| timeless | keep in mind that the people who buy and provision really are worried about espionage | 18:31 |
| crashanddie | cheriff: there's a stolen N900 project | 18:31 |
| crashanddie | cheriff: "phone home" or something | 18:31 |
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| cheriff | timelsee: i wasn't aware wipe relied on provisioning. so there you go, for my ignorance :) | 18:31 |
| tobis87 | regarding encryption, I heard that the omap does support hardware crypto acceleration, but I could only find a module for hash (sha1 & md5) acceleration in the kernel source. | 18:32 |
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| tobis87 | which also has to be modified, i think a asm define is wrong in this driver. | 18:33 |
| timeless | tobis87: i'm pretty sure we've announced that harmattan will include more encryption support | 18:33 |
| timeless | and yeah, that's coming from hardware | 18:33 |
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| timeless | supporting things from a cpu requires resources | 18:34 |
| timeless | so if things aren't required by a project, they don't generally get resources | 18:34 |
| crashanddie | timeless: nice | 18:34 |
| TomaszD | hildon is dead http://maemo.gitorious.org/fremantle-hildon-desktop/hildon-desktop/commit/624231109e727e7b4c21c9f1a526ff191c309e5a | 18:35 |
| timeless | since the only thing for fremantle which could have really required the crypto was mfe, and it didn't get a go ahead,... no crypto | 18:35 |
| crashanddie | timeless: I wouldn't mind sha1 hardware generation on the next interation | 18:35 |
| crashanddie | TomaszD: that's old news from last week mate | 18:35 |
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| CutMeOwnThroat | my, this is the first time I connected to the N810 via ssh - wonder what's wrong, it is _slow_ - something like 10 seconds from typing something until there's a reaction | 18:36 |
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| tobis87 | timeless: i know that it requires resource. i had a nice experience with the new via nano processor. which also has crypto acceleration, but we always got wrong results from the hash engine, it turned out that it was a hardware fault. via forgot to connect the three highest bits in 32-bit eax/ecx to the padding generator. | 18:36 |
| crashanddie | CutMeOwnThroat: PSM | 18:36 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | ? | 18:37 |
| timeless | tobis87: awesome | 18:37 |
| crashanddie | CutMeOwnThroat: Power Save Mode isn't playing nice with your router | 18:37 |
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| CutMeOwnThroat | crashanddie, oh, you're saying it goes to sleep all the time? What's the router got to do with it? | 18:38 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | so I keep hitting the touch screen? | 18:38 |
| crashanddie | CutMeOwnThroat: no, power save mode is a wifi thingie, has nothing to do with the screen. What it basically means is that the n810 is saying "I'm sleeping for 580ms, keep my messages 'till then", but the router doesn't understand this, and sends everything through immediately, and then the n810 asks "Hey bro, you got anything for me?" And the router doesn't reply, as it doesn't understand what he's asking... | 18:40 |
| cheriff | thats an awesome explanation :) | 18:41 |
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| CutMeOwnThroat | hehe | 18:42 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | any workaround? | 18:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | TomaszD: BS, hildon is mature | 18:42 |
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| CutMeOwnThroat | and yes... nice explanation :) | 18:43 |
| crashanddie | wow | 18:43 |
| crashanddie | ~ping | 18:43 |
| infobot | ~pong | 18:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer | TomaszD: I agree they could have chosen a less pathetic wording | 18:44 |
| crashanddie | I actually disconnected the ethernet cable, went up one flight of stairs, plugged back in to my office's ethernet, and I'm still connected! | 18:44 |
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| CutMeOwnThroat | it happens... | 18:44 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | don't rely on it, though | 18:44 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | sometimes I put the laptop into sleep mode for 5 minutes, then go back and the ssh i had opened is still active | 18:45 |
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| crashanddie | CutMeOwnThroat: the best way to see if it's the PSM that's screwing with your N810, check a few wireless networks and see if you have the same issue | 18:45 |
| cheriff | yeah - handy for when moving from desks to meeting rooms, etc. can just close the lid. | 18:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | tobis87: (3 highest bits) ouuuuch | 18:45 |
| crashanddie | if not, then change your router, for something that actually works | 18:45 |
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| crashanddie | if you still have the problem on every single network you try, it may be something else, dunno what though, as I've only seen this in relation with PSM | 18:46 |
| kht_n900 | Hi again | 18:46 |
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| CutMeOwnThroat | mmmh, both not easy | 18:46 |
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| CutMeOwnThroat | no open wireless around here, as a rule | 18:47 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | but thanks | 18:47 |
| kht_n900 | Someone have try Khweeteur ? | 18:47 |
| crashanddie | not even at starbucks/mcdonalds? | 18:47 |
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| crashanddie | kht_n900: twitter is for twats, so not me :P | 18:47 |
| kht_n900 | twats ? could you trad ? | 18:48 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | crashanddie, but that wouldn't become visible when using the network from the tablet? | 18:48 |
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| CutMeOwnThroat | hmm... come to think of it... perhaps it did... didn't use the net so much here | 18:48 |
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| tobis87 | DocScrutinizer: Yes, files up to 512mb were correct, after that it broke. The padlock engine is messed up anyway, via nano stepping 2 fetches to many bytes when using aes acceleration and vmx support was also broken, but they forgot to disable it in the bios. | 18:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~psm-fault is <reply>power save mode is a wifi thingie, has nothing to do with the screen. What it basically means is that the n810 is saying "I'm sleeping for 580ms, keep my messages 'till then", but the router doesn't understand this, and sends everything through immediately, and then the n810 asks "Hey bro, you got anything for me?" And the router doesn't reply, as it doesn't understand what he's asking... | 18:50 |
| infobot | okay, DocScrutinizer | 18:50 |
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| crashanddie | anyway, going back home | 18:52 |
| crashanddie | 'later all | 18:52 |
| mece | asdf | 18:52 |
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| DocScrutinizer | tobis87: EE's nightmare - find a severe bug after first bunch of 100k has been manufactured | 18:52 |
| tobis87 | DocScrutinizer: I think they pushed it into the market, because they wanted to compete with the intel atom, the via nano is faster than the atom in superpi and it supports long mode. But the atom feels faster because it supports hyperthreading. | 18:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-D | 18:53 |
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| CasTTeLLo | hello | 18:55 |
| kht_n900 | Someone know how to automatically open network connection in a qt apps ? | 18:55 |
| CasTTeLLo | -ve | 18:55 |
| tobis87 | DocScrutinizer: And the worst of all, gcc fails to compile in long mode. Therefore gentoo x86_64 is a no go on the nano. | 18:57 |
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| timeless | long mode? | 18:57 |
| ShadowJK | 64bit | 18:57 |
| ShadowJK | My atom board is running 64bit debian right now :) | 18:58 |
| CasTTeLLo | need quick help here : http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=51147 | 18:58 |
| tobis87 | ShadowJK: The new ones do support it? | 18:58 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | atom board! | 18:59 |
| ShadowJK | tobis87, long mode has been/is disabled on laptop versions, enabled on desktop versions iirc | 18:59 |
| tobis87 | ShadowJK: But if I can remember correctly, the atoms don't support out of order execution. | 18:59 |
| ShadowJK | via is a bit strange. The via-made boards are 3 times more expensive than third party boards with via, but I haven't heard of a third party via board that's stable.. | 19:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | would any binary *rely* on out of orser execution? | 19:01 |
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| ShadowJK | no it's a performance thing | 19:01 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | sure | 19:01 |
| tobis87 | ShadowJK: Yes, video drivers for linux on via boards are a nightmare! | 19:02 |
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| ShadowJK | I vaguely remember a lkml thread where a third party via board only was stable under windows because it came with a binary blob that fixed timings to work around board bugs, because they were too lazy/incompetent to change the via bios to do it | 19:04 |
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| ShadowJK | so it either booted or didn't boot windows, bit of luck required, and if it did, it was stable | 19:04 |
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| ShadowJK | but never survived a day in linux :) | 19:05 |
| cheriff | tobis87: yeah atoms are in-order, hence hyperthreading is actually more useful there than it mihgt've been on say P4: rather than stall, get the execution units progressing on the other thread. | 19:05 |
| ShadowJK | ooo takes up so much silicon :) | 19:06 |
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| CasTTeLLo | bump! | 19:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | bounce! | 19:13 |
| CasTTeLLo | need quick help here : http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=51147 | 19:13 |
| CasTTeLLo | n900 mini monitor-queen beecon | 19:14 |
| CasTTeLLo | image not found | 19:14 |
| CasTTeLLo | ?? | 19:14 |
| tobis87 | cheriff: if there wouldn't be 20 years old programs for x86, which still have to run. it wouldn't really make sense to transform x86 instructions into micro ops internally. but intel failed with the itanium. I like the idea from transmeta to emulate x86 instructions, hardware faults like these from via could easily got fixed. | 19:14 |
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| tobis87 | I mean look at this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c_QQchhMqHo , adding nopl support after 10 years!:-D | 19:17 |
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| kerio | lol@you guys keeping connections alive that way | 19:20 |
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| slonopotamus | hmm... is it only me or http://blogs.gnome.org/aklapper/2010/08/16/three-interesting-maemo5-bits/ doesn't have post text? | 19:21 |
| kerio | i can plug an ethernet cable while i'm connected via wifi and all traffic goes through the ethernet | 19:21 |
| kerio | same router, same ip | 19:21 |
| kerio | gotta love ARP | 19:21 |
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| kerio | so... preorders for the N8 are open | 19:28 |
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| kerio | less maemo, less space, more megapixels | 19:29 |
| kerio | :/ | 19:29 |
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| EdLin | kerio: it's likely to be the last N series phone with Symbian. | 19:35 |
| EdLin | kerio: of course, the new C series and the E series will remain symbian. | 19:36 |
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| Arkenoi | It is damn a shame that nokia did not kill symbian in N series *this* year, as promised | 19:43 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | oh, and what program can tell me how much free space the root partition has? df doesn't print anything | 19:43 |
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| * Arkenoi played with N8 prototype, it sucks | 19:43 | |
| DocScrutinizer51 | err? | 19:43 |
| Arkenoi | actually hardware damn rules, but symbian sucks | 19:43 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | df *should* print _something_ | 19:44 |
| Arkenoi | UI sucks, absense of unified communications sucks | 19:44 |
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| CutMeOwnThroat | well, it prints Filesystem Size Used Available Use% Mounted on | 19:45 |
| Arkenoi | UI sucks a bit less than 5800/n97 but it is still eversucking symbian touch with its lousy inability to recognize simple intuitive gestures like tap and scroll properly | 19:45 |
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| ShadowJK | On symbian I'm mostly annoyed by the lack of apps, and the nightmareish APIs and devtools | 19:45 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | if I do df -h . in $HomE | 19:45 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | or df -h / | 19:46 |
| ShadowJK | remove the . | 19:46 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | then it only shows the memory card, not the root filesystem | 19:46 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | oh, actually not | 19:46 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | thanks... | 19:46 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | weird behavior | 19:46 |
| ShadowJK | No . is the "current directory", so it just shows that fs | 19:47 |
| Alt096 | has anyone tried to boot maemo via vbox ? | 19:47 |
| ShadowJK | and if you feed it nonsense, it wont find a matching fs and shows nothing | 19:47 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | ShadowJK, I know... but it didn't | 19:47 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | x act ly | 19:47 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | . is on the same partition as / in $HOME | 19:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | nope | 19:48 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | df -h / does the same | 19:48 |
| ShadowJK | $HOME is not on same fs as /, unless something is wrong | 19:48 |
| * DocScrutinizer51 suspect pebcak | 19:49 | |
| CutMeOwnThroat | what part of "df -h /" also prints nothing is it that you don't understand? | 19:49 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | but you're right, plain "df -h" does | 19:50 |
| ShadowJK | copy paste resukts of plain df? | 19:50 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | also of 'mount' | 19:50 |
| ShadowJK | (to pastebin type site) | 19:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | also ofr 'df /' | 19:51 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | http://pastebin.com/NzDNhTSr | 19:52 |
| ShadowJK | oh, N810 :-) | 19:53 |
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| CutMeOwnThroat | I said that up there somewhere ^^^^^ | 19:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | CutMeOwnThroat: now that's definitely odd | 19:53 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | not so very recently, though | 19:53 |
| ShadowJK | why os mtdblock4 both on initfs and /... | 19:53 |
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| ShadowJK | ah it's probably just df confused | 19:54 |
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| DocScrutinizer | for reference: http://paste.debian.net/83701/ | 19:55 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | DocScrutinizer, btw. want to add to the factoid that one can switch PSM off in the connection manager for certain connections? | 19:56 |
| ShadowJK | df / doesn't work on my N810 either :) | 19:56 |
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| cheriff | am i missing something: can only select dialing acct (cellular or SIP) a) globally or b) on dialpad? | 19:56 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | so /home is on the internal sd card on the N900? | 19:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep | 19:56 |
| xae8koo | I just an N900 :D | 19:57 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | what's the pymaemo stuff? | 19:57 |
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| ShadowJK | bindmounts to move python to internal sd too | 19:57 |
| xae8koo | The battery was emptwont turn on | 19:58 |
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| ShadowJK | if it's empty, dont try turn it on | 19:58 |
| xae8koo | The charing ligth is on thoug | 19:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | CutMeOwnThroat: but as I noticed just now, that's N810 | 19:59 |
| xae8koo | ShadowJK: How long should I wait | 19:59 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | right... | 19:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | CutMeOwnThroat: (PSM) that's not correct afaik, it's a global setting for all connections | 20:00 |
| ShadowJK | is it continous on, or is it blinking/glowing? | 20:00 |
| xae8koo | The ligth is yellow | 20:00 |
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| xae8koo | I don't think it is glowing | 20:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~flatbatrecover | 20:01 |
| infobot | Remove battery for 1 minute. Insert battery. Plug powered Nokia wallcharger to device. Watch steady amber. Let sit and charge. Do NOT try to boot. After 30 min, you got either a) a booted up N900, b) flashing amber which means you can boot, c) steady amber going off - in this case start over again with ~flatbatrecover | 20:01 |
| ShadowJK | what infobot says | 20:01 |
| ShadowJK | If you just got an n900, and the battery was low like that, there's a nonzero chance the battery has taken some damage, depending on how long it has been empty. they dont like being empty | 20:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer | yep | 20:03 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | DocScrutinizer, I just did that.... and you find it on the N810 when you re-enter/accept all data for the connection, then use the little "advanced button" and select "other"... if that's global, then that fact is well-hidden | 20:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | nevertheless it is | 20:03 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | DocScrutinizer, and I just checked another connection and there it says "Power saving: On (maximum)" | 20:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | check advanced settings for a different connection, they changed as well | 20:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | duh | 20:04 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | that's what I just did and it isn't | 20:04 |
| t_s_o | do anyone know why there is the same version gconf-editor sitting in both maemo4 extra and extra-devel? | 20:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's new | 20:04 |
| cheriff | (nevermind me, i didn't have 'use for telephone numbers' enabled, but it still showed in the dialer. it does work as I expected. nice) | 20:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | maybe that's just the power then (10/100mW) but not the PSM | 20:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer | might make sense | 20:05 |
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| CutMeOwnThroat | might be... didn't touch the 10/100mW... didn't see any use changing that | 20:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer | PSM is AP specific, while TX power is independent of association to any AP | 20:05 |
| xae8koo | What did a blincking ligth mean? | 20:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | CutMeOwnThroat: thanks for pushing my nose into it | 20:06 |
| ShadowJK | tx power thing is only like useful if you're in france anyway, where you can only use 10mW outdoors | 20:06 |
| ShadowJK | xae8koo, it shines, it stops shining, it shines, it stops shining | 20:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | xeor: amber blinking indicator? means the device booted up to act_dead minimal system and is charging | 20:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer | xae8koo: ^^ | 20:07 |
| cehteh | uhm .. 10mW .. how far goes that with line of sight? 15m? | 20:07 |
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| xeor | DocScrutinizer | 20:07 |
| xeor | *revenge highlight* | 20:07 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | DocScrutinizer, and thanks for the "plain df" thing... I might never have tried that and noticed... :) Too much output, so I always tried to supply a specific directory | 20:07 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | cehteh, "glue to AP" | 20:07 |
| xae8koo | I love this phone | 20:08 |
| xae8koo | It is so fancy! | 20:08 |
| ShadowJK | cehteh, probably. Maybe they are lmited on space so they cant build houses at 100mW range from eachother :P | 20:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | cehteh: 10 times TX power means double the range | 20:08 |
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| cehteh | ideally .. but in practice i suspect 10mW is worse than half the range of 100mW | 20:09 |
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| kirma | how do you end up with "twice" ? | 20:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | cehteh: and, depending on your receiver mostly, as well as on gain of your TX antenna, 10mW may have a range of 100km | 20:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-D | 20:09 |
| cehteh | yeah in practice | 20:09 |
| kirma | 3.3-fold range ideally, I'd say | 20:09 |
| cehteh | 100mW is usually advertized as 400m ... | 20:10 |
| SpeedEvil | 500km | 20:10 |
| SpeedEvil | We're getting 500-600Km on 10mW@433MHz in the uk | 20:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | kirma: nope, it's cubic | 20:10 |
| SpeedEvil | balloon-ground. | 20:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | ^3 | 20:10 |
| SpeedEvil | 50bps rtty | 20:10 |
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| xae8koo | How do I install easy debian, or anything for that matter? | 20:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | 4/3 r^3 pi | 20:10 |
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| ShadowJK | Application Manager - menu - catalogs, enable maemo.org | 20:11 |
| ShadowJK | browse apps | 20:11 |
| * cehteh speaking about consumer access points with stump antennas and n900 .. not 3m dishes on each side | 20:11 | |
| DocScrutinizer | not exactly, but more alike it than ^2 | 20:11 |
| kirma | surface area of a sphere grows with r^2, volume with r^3. area is what matters | 20:11 |
| kirma | unless the air is particularly non-transparent at the wavelength, but it's not the case with normal wlan | 20:12 |
| cehteh | means would 10mW even be practical for Wlan access on your balcony .. prolly thats already unreliable | 20:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | nope, it isn't | 20:12 |
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| johnsq | Hi | 20:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | (unreliable) | 20:13 |
| cehteh | isnt practical or isnt reliable? | 20:13 |
| cehteh | :) | 20:13 |
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| ShadowJK | it's wireless, it's unreliable by definition | 20:14 |
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| cehteh | anyway i set my AP to 'highest transmit power' ... marking my terrain ;P | 20:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | cehteh: given above facts quoted, if 100mW = 400m then 10mW = 200m | 20:14 |
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| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: err - those aren't facts. | 20:14 |
| SpeedEvil | It's 1/r^2, not 1/r^3 | 20:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | whatever | 20:14 |
| cehteh | that are facts ... in a ideal physical world | 20:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | uhuh | 20:15 |
| cehteh | may actually work on the moon when you on the rim of a crater :) | 20:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | how that? | 20:15 |
| SpeedEvil | Unless you're making other assumptions. | 20:15 |
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| SpeedEvil | With a clear line of sight, and neglecting noise, signal drops as 1/r^2 | 20:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer | transmission ideally is sperical | 20:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | spherical | 20:15 |
| ShadowJK | when they say 400m they probably mean big antenna on both sides :) | 20:15 |
| SpeedEvil | The _area_ of a sphere grows as r^2 | 20:15 |
| cehteh | but in practice the casing already absorbs a bit, there is a lot noise around, reflections and all crap | 20:15 |
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| SpeedEvil | the signal is diluted by the area, so it's 1/r^2 | 20:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | so surface of a sphere with twice the diameter is what exactly? | 20:16 |
| cehteh | yeah my AP hardly reached 30m ... but thats inside a old building | 20:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | ooop | 20:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | s | 20:16 |
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| SpeedEvil | 4*, not 8* | 20:16 |
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| DocScrutinizer | damn coffe :-( - need to run buy milk, it seems it doesn't work without | 20:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: sorry, of course you're right | 20:17 |
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| kirma | one has to notice that a relatively thin obstruction can reduce signal strength by 10 decibels, which equals roughly to doubling distance to the access point... and human is also reasonably good insulator | 20:20 |
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| kirma | multipathing also tends to reduce the efficiency from what it could be in unobstructed environment | 20:20 |
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| kirma | also, plain direct line of sight isn't enough, but obstructions slightly away from the path can affect the situation, depending on the wavelength | 20:22 |
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| * GAN900 boggles at abill's new 200-post thread. | 20:25 | |
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| mece | yo, how do I make a forward in wiki? | 20:27 |
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| mece | GAN900, indeed. boggles is exactly the right word for it. | 20:28 |
| xae8koo | What is the name of the infared remote on the N900? | 20:28 |
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| xae8koo | I love this phone! | 20:30 |
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| mece | #REDIRECTÂ [[asdf]] | 20:31 |
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| mece | if anyone's interested. | 20:31 |
| mece | thought I might make some wiki fixes. | 20:31 |
| rlinfati | Hi... when i open the ovi map on n900, this download about 0,5MB... why? i'm in roaming mode... and this is expensive... | 20:31 |
| rlinfati | is a bug? | 20:32 |
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| ShadowJK | it does all sorts of stuff like checking for new maps, downloading maps if you don't have them, and so on.. | 20:34 |
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| rlinfati | i have ALL maps downloaded.... | 20:35 |
| lcuk | rlinfati, wow, impressive | 20:36 |
| rlinfati | yep... now i not close ovi maps... but is not a real solution... | 20:36 |
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| rlinfati | almost... on roaming mode.... the ovi maps need disable this check | 20:37 |
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| ShadowJK | I just staid offline when roaming | 20:38 |
| ShadowJK | seemed easiest | 20:38 |
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| rlinfati | but, i want a fast gps lock... and need a data conection .) | 20:39 |
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| ShadowJK | just wait until the automatic check for software updates kicks in, it uses alot more than 0.5M :) | 20:43 |
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| mece | yeah, stay offline while roaming... | 20:45 |
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| DocScrutinizer | xae8koo: irreco, qtirreco | 20:45 |
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| rlinfati | ShadowJK: i disable the SSU:) | 20:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer | GAN900: heh, abill_uk started an own thread to stay away from 'normal worlds' and also to scoop up all the trolls there? great idea :-P | 20:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer | rlinfati: didn't you read the warning on first start of maps app? it says exactly that: "high data transfer volume! be warned... own risk and bill, bla bla" | 20:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer | anyway I strongly suggest we get app specific netfilter rules, plus a convenient GUI to set/enable/disable them, plus an API to do same via d-bus | 20:53 |
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| mece | It would be nice to get the meego to a state where one can update to the latest version from a repository directly from within meego (or the chroot) so you don't have to rebuild a new image and whatnot.. | 20:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | disabling the whole netfilter/iptables thing in stock kernel for sure wasn't a brilliant idea | 20:54 |
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| mece | wait what? why the hell are they disabled? | 20:55 |
| xae8koo | How do I install skype? | 20:55 |
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| BCMM_ | xae8koo: installed by default, at least on the n900 | 20:56 |
| MohammadAG | mece, afaik yes, that's why mobilehostspot needs a custom kernel | 20:57 |
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| xae8koo | BCMM_: Where do I find it? | 20:57 |
| MohammadAG | Settings > IM accounts | 20:57 |
| MohammadAG | or similar | 20:57 |
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| slonopotamus | mece, well... things work that way everywhere except nokia world :) | 20:58 |
| mece | ooh well. since there are custom kernels... | 20:59 |
| mece | xae8koo, if you bought your phone in india you need to flash international firmware to get skype. | 20:59 |
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| xae8koo | Norway | 21:00 |
| MohammadAG | Settings > IM accounts | 21:00 |
| xae8koo | How bout MSN? | 21:00 |
| * MohammadAG VNCs into N90 | 21:00 | |
| MohammadAG | telepathy-haze, install it | 21:00 |
| mece | no | 21:00 |
| mece | pecan | 21:00 |
| mece | haze blows. | 21:00 |
| MohammadAG | pecan doesn't allow nicknames | 21:01 |
| mece | in my opinion. | 21:01 |
| MohammadAG | pecan blows, imo :P | 21:01 |
| mece | haze eats batteries like there's no tomorrow | 21:01 |
| mece | :P | 21:01 |
| MohammadAG | really? | 21:01 |
| mece | well at least more than pecan | 21:01 |
| mece | in my experience. although it's been about 6 months since I tried haze, so it could be improved. | 21:02 |
| mece | s/be/have been/ | 21:02 |
| infobot | mece meant: in my experience. although it's have beenen about 6 months since I tried haze, so it could be improved. | 21:02 |
| mece | damn | 21:02 |
| mece | that failed | 21:02 |
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| tobis87 | wasn't haze having the liblongcat dependency?:) | 21:04 |
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| poussah | Hello | 21:08 |
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| poussah | I have a little problem on my n900, searched TMO and the rest of the web but did'nt find anything relevant, so I'd like to ask here before flashing my device... | 21:09 |
| kerio | usually searching TMO leads to nothing and trolls | 21:09 |
| kerio | :) | 21:09 |
| poussah | ! | 21:09 |
| poussah | I have no more sms and missed call notifications, e-amils are ok | 21:10 |
| poussah | (no vibration, led, sound, popup, nothing !) | 21:10 |
| poussah | for smses, the conversation sw opens, but its preview in the task manager doesn't indicate there is a new msg | 21:11 |
| poussah | I run PR 1.2 with a lot of devel stuff (I don't mind the occasionnal instability at all, but this is annoying :D) | 21:11 |
| poussah | any ideas ? | 21:11 |
| Jaffa | poussah: You've installed something from devel which bfroke stuff. This is why there are warnings. | 21:12 |
| Jaffa | poussah: Using anything like tweakr, N9Presetor Custom Ringtones? | 21:12 |
| poussah | nope | 21:13 |
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| poussah | @Jaffa, II know the risks of devel, but before removing a whole big bunch of apps or flashing, I prefer to ask here if anyone had the same preblem recently | 21:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer | poussah: nope. Would be nice if you report back after you found what's causing the problem | 21:16 |
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| DocScrutinizer | poussah: do you get your usual ringtones on inbound calls? | 21:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | lo Jaffa | 21:18 |
| poussah | DocScrutinizer: sure, will do... not much time to look for it right now, though, could be a few days. Google gave me someone who had the same problem but it was solved by a reboot. Not the case here though. | 21:18 |
| poussah | DocScrutinizer: yes yes, no problem with that | 21:18 |
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| poussah | but if i don't answer, it's like it never appenened, except in the calls log | 21:19 |
| xae8koo | The irreco | 21:19 |
| Jaffa | poussah: ...so that you can report bugs to the appropriate developers, I assume? :) | 21:19 |
| xae8koo | How can I make it work for my TV? | 21:19 |
| poussah | Jaffa: well if i can link that to a specific app, sure i will report it | 21:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer | do you have anything that tampers with /etc/mce/mce.ini ? like e.g. led pattern editor, or wibrator settings or something similar | 21:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | ? | 21:20 |
| poussah | LPE yes | 21:20 |
| poussah | but I set it like 3 months ago | 21:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | restore /etc/mce/mce.ini to default state | 21:20 |
| poussah | and there hasn't been an update recently, i think (checking now) | 21:21 |
| poussah | yep, will try that | 21:21 |
| * DocScrutinizer wonders how to actually acomplish that | 21:21 | |
| poussah | accomplish what, restore ? | 21:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep :-D | 21:21 |
| poussah | LPE makes a backup, if I remember correctly | 21:21 |
| poussah | (left the phone in the car, can't check right now...) | 21:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | I maybe wouldn't trust into that either | 21:21 |
| poussah | lol | 21:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer | google might help. If no success in locating original file, come back here, somebody may pastebin it | 21:22 |
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| poussah | LPE not updated in 3 months... | 21:23 |
| poussah | gotta go, I'll report if I ever solve it :( | 21:23 |
| poussah | thx Jaffa and DocScrutinizer :-) | 21:23 |
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| kerio | xae8koo: qtirreco is simpler | 21:28 |
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| DocScrutinizer | darn he's gone - forgot to advice him to check mtime of mce.ini, to get a clue what actually messed it - if anything | 21:29 |
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| xae8koo | kerio: I think it is what I have, not sure though | 21:30 |
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| xae8koo | it is qtrecco | 21:33 |
| xae8koo | Still it doesnt work | 21:33 |
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| kerio | it's not the tv, it's the remote | 21:33 |
| kerio | there's a database of *remotes* | 21:33 |
| xae8koo | I think it was messy | 21:33 |
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| xae8koo | Dammit, qtrecco doesn't work with my tv | 21:49 |
| xae8koo | Doesn | 21:49 |
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| xae8koo | 't have an auto search feature? | 21:49 |
| lcuk | xae8koo, the IR is TX only | 21:50 |
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| ifvoid | hi | 21:51 |
| ifvoid | I need some help with cross-compiling mplayer | 21:51 |
| ifvoid | using scratchbox, everything seems to work fine | 21:51 |
| ifvoid | cc nicely produces arm binaries | 21:51 |
| ifvoid | but then it chokes on some assembly | 21:52 |
| ifvoid | arm/dsputil_arm.S:113: Error: bad instruction `ldm r1,{r4-r7}' | 21:52 |
| ifvoid | etc | 21:52 |
| ifvoid | anyone got an isea of what I'm doing wrong here? | 21:52 |
| * Stskeeps glances at talk.maemo.org and just shakes his head. | 21:53 | |
| TomaszD | Stskeeps, what, maybe you don't want to "increase megapixels" huh? | 21:55 |
| Stskeeps | TomaszD: 640x480 ought to be enough for everyone! | 21:56 |
| TomaszD | word | 21:56 |
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| * MohammadAG opens tmo | 22:00 | |
| * MohammadAG sees "+ As anyone can see, some apps on the iPhone can enlarge the photo from 2 Megapixel (iPhone 2G-3G) to 4-5 Megapixel, and somehow to 7 Megapixel but the photo still in good quality." | 22:00 | |
| MohammadAG | LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL | 22:01 |
| MohammadAG | yeah so... | 22:01 |
| mece | wtf? | 22:01 |
| MohammadAG | reencode picture, use worst decompression, make image 10MBs in size | 22:01 |
| MohammadAG | call it resizing image | 22:01 |
| mortini | haha | 22:01 |
| MohammadAG | laugh at all idiots believing it | 22:01 |
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| mortini | nono, make it like 10000x10000 pixels | 22:01 |
| mortini | oh, nevermind | 22:02 |
| * mortini is context-illiterate. | 22:02 | |
| mece | a million! | 22:02 |
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| * DocScrutinizer drive-by types *YAWN* | 22:26 | |
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| crashanddie | greetings | 22:38 |
| alterego | aloha | 22:38 |
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| crashanddie | I just modded the intake of my bike | 22:39 |
| crashanddie | great sound it has now | 22:40 |
| GAN900 | Does it sing? | 22:41 |
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| crashanddie | well, depends | 22:41 |
| GAN900 | Like, real music. | 22:42 |
| GAN900 | Not any of this stupid "like beautiful engineering" shit. | 22:42 |
| crashanddie | well, it's just a 125cc engine, so it's not going to rival a 650 or 1000cc | 22:42 |
| crashanddie | so I'm guessing the answer would be "no" | 22:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | HAI | 22:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | CAN HAS stdio? | 22:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | CAN HAS TMO-ADMIN? | 22:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | I HAS MAYI | 22:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | GIMME MAYI | 22:43 |
| kerio | lolcode <3 | 22:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer | IZ MAYI LIKE "OK"? | 22:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | YARLY | 22:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | GONAUSE KILL-ALL FRO TMO-ADMIN | 22:43 |
| * crashanddie hands DocScrutinizer a happy pill | 22:43 | |
| DocScrutinizer | KTHNXBYE | 22:43 |
| kerio | also, a 7 megapixel image is easy to create from a 2 megapixel image | 22:44 |
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| crashanddie | eh? | 22:45 |
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| DocScrutinizer | feels like COBOL :-P | 22:47 |
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| GAN900 | Kids these days. | 22:49 |
| crashanddie | I'm lost | 22:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | best thing of cobol: STOP RUN | 22:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | feels like LOLCODE :-P | 22:51 |
| * timeless cries | 22:51 | |
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| crashanddie | woops | 22:54 |
| * timeless can't figure out how to get a usb device to talk to OSX or VBox | 22:55 | |
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| jacekowski | timeless: you have osx and vbox running on it? | 22:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | watch 'darkstar" :-) | 22:55 |
| timeless | i have two macs | 22:56 |
| timeless | a G5 and a MBP(intel) | 22:56 |
| jacekowski | double problem | 22:56 |
| jacekowski | i understand | 22:56 |
| timeless | the MBP has VBox | 22:56 |
| timeless | i want to use a Pinnacle USB TV thing | 22:56 |
| jacekowski | well, we can start sorting out simpler problem | 22:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | ouch | 22:56 |
| jacekowski | ouch | 22:56 |
| jacekowski | that needs overlays and shit | 22:56 |
| timeless | ?? | 22:56 |
| jacekowski | oi | 22:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | all those USB TV come with windose drivers. If you're *very* lucky you can find linux drivers for older models | 22:58 |
| jacekowski | i think that's why he uses virtualbox | 22:58 |
| timeless | it's an old model, circa '8 | 22:58 |
| timeless | err '98/'99 | 22:58 |
| jacekowski | oi | 22:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | if you don't have a MacOS driver coming with the DVB-stick, then you're probably busted | 22:58 |
| jacekowski | usb? | 22:58 |
| jacekowski | 11 years old usb tv device? | 22:59 |
| timeless | Pinnacle Studio PCTV USB | 22:59 |
| jacekowski | that was usb 1.0 | 22:59 |
| timeless | yeah, so? | 22:59 |
| timeless | is usb1.0 not supported? | 22:59 |
| jacekowski | 12Mbits | 22:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer | streaming video over usb1.0? | 22:59 |
| timeless | so? | 22:59 |
| timeless | all i want to do is watch tv | 22:59 |
| jacekowski | how that even worked? | 22:59 |
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| timeless | it did | 23:00 |
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| * timeless used it in 98 or 99 | 23:00 | |
| timeless | well enough to watch tv | 23:00 |
| jacekowski | thing is that usb passtrough is not going to happen on osx | 23:00 |
| timeless | ? | 23:00 |
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| timeless | what do you mean? | 23:00 |
| timeless | i have usb crypto passing from my mac to vbox | 23:01 |
| timeless | to w7 | 23:01 |
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| timeless | (smart card reader) | 23:01 |
| jacekowski | there are two ways of doing passtrough | 23:01 |
| timeless | why should this device be "special"? | 23:01 |
| * timeless listens | 23:01 | |
| jacekowski | full passtrough | 23:01 |
| jacekowski | which presents device as is to guest | 23:01 |
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| jacekowski | fake passtrough | 23:01 |
| jacekowski | which emulates device to guest using host drivers | 23:02 |
| timeless | um, ok | 23:02 |
| kerio | vbox allows full passthrough, doesn't it? | 23:02 |
| kerio | if not vbox, then vmware or parallels | 23:02 |
| jacekowski | but it needs drivers for it | 23:02 |
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| TomaszD | I once tried linux -> windows vbox full usb passthrough for a tv tuner and it crashed spectacularly every time | 23:02 |
| jacekowski | and cpu with pacifica/vanderpool | 23:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | timeless: this won't be your hapiest day today | 23:02 |
| timeless | doc: i've had a number of unhappy days | 23:03 |
| jacekowski | and usb tv stick is probably not going to work very well in any non native setup | 23:03 |
| crashanddie | erhm, I thought fake passthrough required drivers, rather than the opposite | 23:03 |
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| timeless | but technically my unhappy day was yesterday when my scart supporting LCD died | 23:03 |
| timeless | (or rather: gave up the ghost, it had been dying for a while) | 23:03 |
| jacekowski | crashanddie: no special driver are required on host side for fake passtrough | 23:04 |
| timeless | this is hardly a stick | 23:04 |
| jacekowski | crashanddie: vbox just talks to device and that's all | 23:04 |
| timeless | http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.manifest-tech.com/images/pc_video/pinn_pctv/pctv_system_cables.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.manifest-tech.com/media_pc/pinn_pctv.htm&h=130&w=188&sz=6&tbnid=2Towh2_L30VYMM:&tbnh=71&tbnw=102&prev=/images%3Fq%3DPinnacle%2BStudio%2BPCTV%2BUSB&usg=__orsWFjzbBLhK8aPUno5WpsRkniI=&sa=X&ei=uZlpTP_uN-idOKyM0bkF&ved=0CC0Q9QEwBQ | 23:04 |
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| jacekowski | like any normal app would do | 23:04 |
| jacekowski | passing trough real device is harder | 23:04 |
| jacekowski | because you need more controll | 23:04 |
| jacekowski | as that guest may tell device to modify/read memory | 23:05 |
| crashanddie | jacekowski: I guess I'm confused in the lingo, nvmd me | 23:05 |
| kerio | timeless: if you manage to get one of those to work tell me, i have a pinnacle dvbt tuner too and it doesn't work with eyetv :( | 23:05 |
| jacekowski | crashanddie: are you sure there are no native drivers avaliable | 23:05 |
| jacekowski | hmm, not you | 23:05 |
| jacekowski | timeless: you | 23:05 |
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| jacekowski | why don't you buy apple tv | 23:06 |
| timeless | um... | 23:06 |
| timeless | how much? and how's it work? | 23:06 |
| timeless | i don't own the mac w/ vbox | 23:06 |
| kerio | lol | 23:06 |
| jacekowski | it has steves blessing | 23:06 |
| timeless | i own the g5 | 23:06 |
| kerio | the iTV sucks | 23:06 |
| kerio | (it's now called iTV) | 23:07 |
| timeless | i'm in scart land | 23:07 |
| jacekowski | http://www.apple.com/appletv/ | 23:07 |
| kerio | it's an underpowered mac mini with crappy, locked-down software | 23:07 |
| jacekowski | hmm, not that | 23:07 |
| timeless | it doesn't have scart in | 23:07 |
| jacekowski | timeless: it does have sort of | 23:08 |
| timeless | so i don't see how it's useful | 23:08 |
| kerio | not *in* | 23:08 |
| jacekowski | not in? | 23:08 |
| jacekowski | oh, that sucks | 23:08 |
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| jacekowski | that's why i don't like apple | 23:08 |
| timeless | http://www.apple.com/appletv/specs.html | 23:08 |
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| timeless | nah, scart is crap | 23:08 |
| timeless | having it is a sign of a bad product | 23:08 |
| kerio | timeless: pff, you should buy tv series from the iTunes Music Store! | 23:08 |
| jacekowski | shit should standarise on ethernet for everything | 23:09 |
| timeless | kerio: ... | 23:09 |
| timeless | i should buy my programming in finnish? | 23:09 |
| jacekowski | anyways | 23:09 |
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| jacekowski | i want to go and watch eureka | 23:09 |
| timeless | after i agree to a finnish license agreement? | 23:09 |
| timeless | i'd ike to watch eureka | 23:09 |
| timeless | it runs here sometimes | 23:09 |
| jacekowski | it runs on torrents for me | 23:09 |
| jacekowski | do you want http link for it? | 23:10 |
| jacekowski | from fast server all 3 seasons | 23:10 |
| timeless | nah, i like legal content | 23:10 |
| kerio | bitmetv > http | 23:10 |
| jacekowski | well, it's legal | 23:10 |
| timeless | i get eureka legally here | 23:10 |
| timeless | how? | 23:10 |
| jacekowski | it's legal to record stuff | 23:10 |
| jacekowski | and then share | 23:10 |
| kerio | well it's legal but it ain't 100% legal, they want you to l33ch from home or certain designated places | 23:11 |
| timeless | 'share' has some restrictions | 23:11 |
| timeless | 'broadcast' isn't allowed | 23:11 |
| timeless | slingbox is ok | 23:11 |
| timeless | i could probably make arrangements to sling from my parents.. | 23:11 |
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| timeless | anyway, can we try a solution? | 23:12 |
| timeless | i want *something* | 23:12 |
| timeless | i don't want to lose more than ~600EUR for the solution | 23:12 |
| kerio | timeless: i think vmware/parallels will work | 23:12 |
| kerio | try the trial | 23:12 |
| timeless | i currently have one cinema display (17"?) | 23:12 |
| timeless | kerio: ok | 23:12 |
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| timeless | wait | 23:13 |
| kerio | well, it's less "think" and more "hope" | 23:13 |
| timeless | hrm, ok | 23:13 |
| kerio | they both offer trials iirc | 23:13 |
| timeless | https://nct.tryparallels.com/fulfill/0285.001 ? | 23:13 |
| kerio | dunno | 23:13 |
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| timeless | right.. so... | 23:14 |
| timeless | my mac is a G5 | 23:14 |
| timeless | running 10.5.<something> | 23:14 |
| timeless | it has firewire and usb... | 23:14 |
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| timeless | my sound system uses optical audio | 23:14 |
| timeless | i want *something* which can work w/ optical audio | 23:15 |
| timeless | that could be something which runs on the g5 (which is already using it) | 23:15 |
| crashanddie | optical audio is useless | 23:15 |
| kerio | optical audio :/ | 23:15 |
| timeless | i want something which can work w/ DVI (same as above) although i could live w/ HDMI if it didn't break the bank (see limit above) | 23:15 |
| kerio | yeah, don't know | 23:15 |
| timeless | crashanddie: i hate cabling | 23:16 |
| timeless | optical audio cabling <works> | 23:16 |
| timeless | except w/ idiotically designed boxes | 23:16 |
| crashanddie | timeless: until you step on it | 23:16 |
| timeless | (see handan cv7700) | 23:16 |
| timeless | i want something which can record a program M-F | 23:16 |
| timeless | or has at least 25 slots | 23:17 |
| timeless | wow, parallels requires 400+mb of disk space | 23:17 |
| timeless | anyway, where was my shopping list | 23:17 |
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| timeless | support for English UI :) | 23:18 |
| timeless | support for SAP and subtitles :o | 23:19 |
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| ottoliere2 | hello | 23:19 |
| ottoliere2 | !list | 23:19 |
| GAN900 | timeless, clearly you need an Intel upgrade. | 23:19 |
| kerio | timeless: external bawks, or something for the mac? | 23:19 |
| timeless | ability to hide channels which are locked | 23:19 |
| GAN900 | Also: EyeTV? | 23:19 |
| crashanddie | ottoliere2: wrong channel | 23:19 |
| timeless | kerio: not picky | 23:19 |
| timeless | gan900: we /think/ EyeTV requires an intel upgrade | 23:19 |
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| timeless | which more or less breaks the budget | 23:20 |
| GAN900 | timeless, dunno about the latest. | 23:20 |
| kerio | it doesn't :/ | 23:20 |
| kerio | the latest doesn't work on ppc | 23:20 |
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| kerio | but there's at least *one* version that works afaik | 23:20 |
| GAN900 | I have an EyeTV 200 and 500 that worked on my dual 2.5 | 23:20 |
| GAN900 | Maybe ebay? | 23:20 |
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| timeless | This virtual hard disk cannot be processed because something is wrong with it. Please contact the Parallels support team for assistance. | 23:21 |
| timeless | yay! | 23:21 |
| * timeless thinks this is fun | 23:22 | |
| kerio | lol | 23:22 |
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| kerio | new w7 install? :) | 23:22 |
| timeless | anyone have a sample parallels vm w/ some tiny linux i can try? | 23:22 |
| timeless | i don't have a license for that | 23:22 |
| kerio | new windows something install? | 23:23 |
| crashanddie | timeless: vmware fusion | 23:23 |
| kerio | there's something zen about installing VMs | 23:23 |
| GAN900 | timeless, why Parallels? | 23:23 |
| timeless | gan900: because someone told me to try it | 23:23 |
| timeless | so i'm trying | 23:23 |
| kerio | try both | 23:23 |
| GAN900 | VMWare is better these days. | 23:23 |
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| * Arkenoi prefers virtualbox | 23:24 | |
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| timeless | anyway, can someone point me to a linux based machine i could try that would actually work w/ parallels? | 23:24 |
| timeless | arkenoi: i use vbox | 23:24 |
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| timeless | but it isn't working here for this stupid device | 23:24 |
| timeless | so i'm trying something else | 23:24 |
| kerio | i want a network of VMs | 23:24 |
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| timeless | easily done | 23:25 |
| MohammadAG | started a small community ssu, upgrades the mp-fremantle-generic-pr package, current fixes: hildon-desktop, hildon-home, hildon-status-menu, hildon-application-manager | 23:25 |
| kerio | timeless: yeah but i cba actually making it | 23:26 |
| Stskeeps | MohammadAG++, though i think it's a bit early | 23:26 |
| crashanddie | with 2GB of free ram, you can easily run between 2 and 8 VMs, depending on the OS you're trying to run | 23:26 |
| timeless | ooh | 23:26 |
| timeless | it offers me Download Chrome OS | 23:26 |
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| timeless | that sounds liek a good thing to try | 23:26 |
| MohammadAG | I don't have any hopes for a PR1.3 anytime soon Stskeeps, anyways, it's meant to be a small experiment | 23:26 |
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| Khertan_n900 | Hello guys ! | 23:26 |
| kerio | cute! | 23:26 |
| kerio | although Hexxeh's build is probably better | 23:27 |
| MohammadAG | Stskeeps, plus I don't think it would conflict with PR1.3 when that comes out | 23:27 |
| timeless | s/liek/like/ | 23:27 |
| infobot | timeless meant: that sounds like a good thing to try | 23:27 |
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| kerio | timeless: i herd u liek chromeos | 23:27 |
| crashanddie | kerio: I recycled an old machine running debian, with 4GB of RAM, and ran some 10 VMs on it | 23:27 |
| timeless | mohammadag: you're dreaming | 23:27 |
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| MohammadAG | timeless, don't we all? | 23:27 |
| crashanddie | aren't we** | 23:27 |
| kerio | there's no spoon etc. etc. | 23:27 |
| MohammadAG | crashanddie, whatever :) | 23:28 |
| Khertan_n900 | I got an an strange error on Khweeteur ... application closed ... without any error segfault ... after many minutes or more | 23:28 |
| * lcuk sighs | 23:28 | |
| * MohammadAG sighs back, I know I know | 23:28 | |
| Khertan_n900 | someone have an idea on how i can trace what happen ? | 23:28 |
| timeless | use gdb snd attach and repeat | 23:29 |
| Khertan_n900 | timeless on device ? | 23:29 |
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| Khertan_n900 | gdb for a python apps | 23:29 |
| Khertan_n900 | it s like using a rocket launcher to kill a moskito | 23:30 |
| lcuk | bah tracy is @ a reception and jake is being a shitbag | 23:30 |
| kerio | Khertan: pdb | 23:30 |
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| crashanddie | lcuk: what's he doing? | 23:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: nice :-D | 23:31 |
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| lcuk | just not listening | 23:32 |
| timeless | sure | 23:32 |
| timeless | or use gdb-server | 23:32 |
| crashanddie | lcuk: slap him? | 23:32 |
| kerio | it's a python app | 23:32 |
| * lcuk doesn't think he can install gdb on jacob | 23:32 | |
| kerio | use pdb | 23:32 |
| lcuk | lol crashanddie nah | 23:33 |
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| lcuk | he doesnt like balloons | 23:33 |
| lcuk | and the reception is full of them | 23:33 |
| kerio | balloon :3 | 23:33 |
| crashanddie | lcuk: threathen him that if he doesn't stop, you'll never stop the icecream van ever again | 23:33 |
| lcuk | lol | 23:33 |
| lcuk | no, we walked 5km yesterday to find an ice cream van :) | 23:34 |
| * lcuk won dad of the century for that one | 23:34 | |
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| DocScrutinizer | I'd probably had to walk 500km to find one | 23:35 |
| andre__ | Icecream van? Make mine a 99! :-P | 23:35 |
| lcuk | lol | 23:35 |
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| crashanddie | lcuk: you're the best there ever was ;) | 23:35 |
| lcuk | we don't normally have to search, he stops outside my window and deafens me normally | 23:35 |
| lcuk | andre__, its gone dark | 23:35 |
| lcuk | ice cream men are like anti-vampires - you never see them out at night | 23:36 |
| lcuk | crashanddie, we had just gone for a short walk, but it turned into a whole epic trek, and as we got round corner from home this ice cream van was there, was like a mirage in the desert or something | 23:37 |
| timeless | ok, parallels is booting chrome os | 23:37 |
| crashanddie | "I can see it, it's just there" | 23:37 |
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| * DocScrutinizer muses why this icecream van concept is mostly unknown in Germany | 23:40 | |
| kerio | we have actual ice cream here | 23:41 |
| kerio | :/ | 23:41 |
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| lcuk | DocScrutinizer, dunno | 23:43 |
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| timeless | wow | 23:44 |
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| timeless | parallels recognizes the name of my usb device | 23:44 |
| timeless | that's better than OSX/VBox | 23:44 |
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| timeless | so, can someone explain how to use usb devices in parallels? :) | 23:49 |
| timeless | ooh | 23:50 |
| kerio | click usb icon, click device | 23:50 |
| kerio | device gets connected to VM | 23:50 |
| timeless | parallels recognized my device attach and let me tell it i wanted to use it in the vm | 23:50 |
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| xae8koo | I was going to download 1,3 gb at burgerking, but I forgot and used the 3,5g network :( | 23:51 |
| timeless | font sizes in chromeos are crap | 23:51 |
| kerio | lol | 23:51 |
| timeless | does chromeos have a terminal? | 23:51 |
| timeless | i guess not? | 23:52 |
| kerio | i guess it has xterm? | 23:52 |
| kerio | \_O_/ | 23:52 |
| kerio | try alt+f2 | 23:52 |
| kerio | or just, you know, ctrl+alt+f1 | 23:52 |
| GAN900 | MohammadAG, cool. | 23:52 |
| timeless | um, how do i get rid of capture? | 23:53 |
| timeless | ah, ctrla-lt | 23:54 |
| kerio | rtfm | 23:54 |
| kerio | and i mean that with all the love in the world :) | 23:54 |
| timeless | what m? | 23:54 |
| kerio | parallels' m, i guess | 23:54 |
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