IRC log of #maemo for Sunday, 2010-08-15

xae8kooI was told it was fast00:00
trip0lcuk, as far as i can tell, autobuilder + meegotouch is still b0rked00:00
luke-jrxae8koo: it isn't.00:00
lcuktrip0, yeah, i just noticed, its your bug too00:00
povbotBug 10882: libmeegotouch-dev has missing dependencies00:00
luke-jrthe animation is fast00:00
luke-jrbut it takes time to start00:00
lcuk:) glad you care enough to try00:00
trip0lcuk, well, i want to run my app on my phone ;)00:00
lcukthere are rumblings occuring anywa00:00
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lcukwill keep that bug on my list and update it asap00:01
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lcuktrip0, what have you written?00:01
trip0lcuk, an obd-II app00:01
lcukand have you looked over the other meegotouch apps on the gitorious00:01
lcukfrom meego itself?00:01
trip0no, not yet00:01
lcukoh nice, cool00:02
trip0well, other than the ones i work on00:02
lcukwhat have you written it in? native qt00:02
lcukor using one of the other things00:02
lcukqml etc00:02
trip0i wrote that in qt+mtf00:02
jacekowskitrip0: where do you get all data?00:03
trip0jacekowski, through an obd-ii scantool00:04
jacekowskiusing host mode stuff?00:04
jacekowskior some kind of magic?00:04
trip0jacekowski, magic00:04
trip0it uses nobdy00:04
trip0which supports bluetooth00:04
trip0or tcp over wifi00:04
trip0(or the internet)00:04
lcuktrip0, have you tested whether your app can build on meego itself (ie have you got an rpm as well as a deb for it)00:05
lcukand have you poked lbt with the source location00:06
lcuki know how much he will like to try new code through obs ;)00:06
trip0lcuk, it builds on my local system.  it should also build on meego00:06
trip0but i have yet to try it00:06
trip0i'm hooking up with the obs now00:06
trip0to try more00:06
lcukcool, well I have left myself another reminder for monday00:06
trip0in my case, meegobd will connect to nobdy which will connect over tcp/ip to another nobdy instance on an in-vehicle machine which logs and does automation and stuff00:07
lcukcool, you have seen the ivi instance preview?00:08
lcuknot sure if that supports meegotouch yet tho?00:08
trip0it should00:08
trip0the handsfree dialer is written in mtf00:08
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trip0at least that was my understanding...00:08
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lcukunderstanding is good :)00:09
trip0maybe the dev swapped out mtf for gtk..00:09
trip0but i understood it to be a fork of the handset dialer00:09
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trip0right now i'm running meego handset00:09
lbtlcuk: trip0 has a fresh passwd00:09
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trip0lbt, has a web frontend?00:16
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* lbt doesn't have a web frontend, no00:17
trip0re obs*00:17
* lbt has an irc frontend00:17
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lcuklbt /?00:19
trip0lbt, you have an irc frontend to obs?00:20
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* lcuk thinks irc bots for build machines would be cool00:20
* lbt has an irc frontend00:20
lbtlcuk: BOSS ... seriously00:21
* trip0 searches for wiki on ocs usage00:21
lcukyou shall have to give me a guided tour over beer sometime soon david00:21
trip0i can never remember the args for that thing00:22
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trip0lbt, stuff that's built on the obs for maemo gets added to extras-devel?00:23
lbttrip0: not yet00:23
trip0and the obs doesn't have a web frontend?00:23
trip0oops, found it :)00:24
MohammadAG51DocScrutinizer, as an engineer, i need your help00:24
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SpeedEvilMohammadAG51: ?00:27
* SpeedEvil plays an engineer on the internet.00:27
MohammadAG51nothing n900 related :P00:27
MohammadAG51samsung phone00:27
lcukMohammadAG51, can I have the makefile mods you made to libliqbase for x86 please :) I want to have a look at something00:28
trip0lbt, obs doesn't have access to the extras-devel repo?00:28
SpeedEvilI lurk on ##electronics a lot, and can design struff.00:28
lbttrip0: no, not really00:28
SpeedEvilMohammadAG51: Or wander over to ##electronics maybe.00:28
trip0oh poo00:28
trip0nothing provides debhelper >= 7, nothing provides libmeegotouch-dev00:28
MohammadAG51lcuk, yeah sure, i'll send them over in a bit mate00:28
MohammadAG51just need to fix this phone00:29
MohammadAG51it's broken either wya00:29
lbttrip0: heh... fixable somehow00:29
lbtlcuk: be glad too ... seen our latest slides?
SpeedEvilMohammadAG51: In what way did you break it?00:29
lbtanyhow... 'night all00:29
lcuk"Nokia OBS"00:29
MohammadAG51SpeedEvil, i didn't, it's a friend's00:29
lcukthe acronyms around this part of computing make me facepalm everysingle day00:30
SpeedEvilMohammadAG51: In what way did he/she/it break it?00:30
MohammadAG51charging base00:30
MohammadAG51and a ribbon was disconnected when i checked it00:30
MohammadAG51it's the same as the one in the N900's slider00:30
MohammadAG51by the looks of it00:30
* lcuk wishes every group name was checked for facepalmyness00:30
timelesslcuk: fwiw, i got your ping00:30
timelessi'm certain i don't care before monday00:31
timelessi'm uncertain i care until a manager says "oh, we should do something"00:31
lcuktimeless, \o00:31
rm_youlol timeless00:31
timelessi'm pretty sure from memory that this is "someone else's fault" and "i more or less told them not to do something like that"00:31
timelessassuming this is the thing i think it is00:32
janilol, that sounds like my wednesday after getting back from holidays00:32
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG51: let's take it to mhd00:32
timelessjani: my summer vacation is coming up in september00:32
timelesswell, plus a quick weekend trip at the end of august00:32
timelessso i'm getting close to the "talk to the calendar"00:33
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trumeetimeless: a dev from collabora did some siptraces on my system. it seems that the gstreamer is buggy on N90000:33
lcukyou flying stateside for hols?00:33
timelessthat said, i'm hungry00:33
trip0me too00:33
timelesslcuk: British Isles00:33
* trip0 goes searching for food00:33
timelesstrumee: cool00:33
janii only had 1½ wee off00:33
timelessthat's progress00:33
timelessgood progress too00:33
lcuktimeless, cool, if you come up North give us a shout and can go for beerage :)00:34
timelessthanks for the update. now where's my wallet?00:34
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trumeetimeless: but the dev doesnt have time-line to fix it yet.00:34
timelesslcuk: lemme see if i have a map00:34
trumeetimeless: so it is going to suck until then00:34
timelessthat's normal00:34
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trumeetimeless: what i am surprised about that why there are a few of us only  (going by bug report 10388) affected by this.00:35
timelessi don't think sip is used quite as often as you think00:35
timelessor in the ways you think00:35
trumeetimeless: yes, that might be the reason00:35
timelessi do know that nokia's IT complained about the n900 SIP stack00:35
trumeetimeless: what was it about?00:36
timelessthey specifically did not sponsor it as a "use this as a nokia sip client"00:36
timelessi don't remember the details, nor was i in a position to understand them <= I'm a browser engineer, not a SIP mechanic!00:36
janiand they gave Really Good headsets instead =)00:36
trumeetimeless: symbian has a good sip client, wonder why it wasnt used in maemo00:36
timelessthey recently started giving out MBP adapters00:37
janii think i've had already 4 of those and going on fifth pair00:37
timelessso you could plug in headsets to your Mac's00:37
janiyeah, there was a plastic bag ducttaped on the it door =))00:37
timelessyeah, that was cute, i picked one up, as did sp300000:37
timelesssp3000 explained that it was ~designed for macs~00:37
trumeetimeless: you are the guy who is going to bring flash 10.1 then :p00:37
timelesstrumee: nah, but there's a team w/ it who would like to. they're trying, and i believe them, and I wish them luck00:38
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luke-jrtimeless: you just got quoted I think00:38
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timelessluke-jr: this isn't a commitment00:39
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luke-jrtimeless: but it's more than the nothing they had before :P00:39
timelessmerely a "there's a flash team[public knowledge]" and they would like to ship 10.1 for n900 [not a great secret]00:39
timelessif you were a dev and had done something cool, wouldn't you like to share?00:39
timelessthat's all00:39
luke-jrjust saying00:40
timelesswhether you actually *can* share is a totally different question00:40
timelesssure. just explaining. it really doesn't mean anything will happen00:40
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trumeeluke-jr: i guess it is a matter of time. once meego has flash, it could be brought back to N90000:41
trumeetimeless: do you know what wireless router is used for N900 development?00:41
trip0lbt, how much effort is involved in creating a obs extras-devel target?00:41
luke-jrtrumee: bad logic00:41
luke-jrtrumee: there is no reason to think MeeGo apps will be compatible with Maemo00:42
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trip0cuz much of my stuff depends on stuff in extras-devel00:42
trumeeluke-jr: if the source is open and the hardware is similar, shouldnt it be possible?00:42
luke-jrtrumee: the source is never open00:43
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timelesssomeone would have to tell me when the meego thingy is and where00:43
timelessit isn't in my calendar, and nokia and sponsorships = pain00:43
timelesstotally not worth my effort00:43
* trip0 wonders if he can add libmtf to his home repo00:43
janitimeless: conference you mean ?00:43
janiits in dublin ..00:43
trumeetimeless: so any idea about wireless router?00:44
janibut i dont remember the date :D00:44
timelessi think we have ~4 primary routers floating around00:44
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trumeetimeless: i was hoping i could buy a router and use sip with it (to be close to dev team)00:44
janii had some grand plans to go there too.. just wondering if i could get my linemanager to pay for it.00:45
timelessthere's a guy Patrik (?)00:45
timelessi think he used to have a public presence00:45
trumeetimeless: ?00:45
timelessPatrik Flykt00:45
timelesshe's  a public figure, who works on the wifi stack00:46
janitimeless: Nov. 15-17, 2010 in Dublin, Ireland.00:46
trumeetimeless: ah ok.00:46
timelessah, that's after i'd be back, i think00:46
timelessmy trip ends sometime after oct100:47
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timelessanyway, food hunting time00:48
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GAN900timeless, only a little.00:50
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GAN900i.e., a few bug comments and a dozen emails to the list.00:50
timelessit's public enough that i'm willing to give out his name :)00:50
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timelesshrm, i think my n800 is getting gtalked..00:51
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timelessthat was unexpected..00:52
timelessCan't perform operation.00:52
timelessMemory full00:52
timelessoh, that's mighty helpful00:52
* timeless thanks n80000:52
* jani sees nightmares about "memory full" errors in n8X000:53
timelessso, i gues i should take my n800 offline so it stops eating my gtalk?00:53
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timelessi'll pull it up in logs :)00:54
timelessimagine if this were jabber and my n800 was eating them? :)00:54
* timeless kicks a -6 => -7 update which had 0 packages00:55
timelessbut triggered a reboot, hence leaving the n800 as the winning gtalker00:55
lcuktimeless, leeds is the closest though00:56
lcukinfact, it doesn't matter much00:56
lcuki will see you in dublin00:56
timelessplease don't assume i'll make meego-dublin00:57
timelessthat only happens if someone helps me through the nokia-conference hoops00:57
timelesswhich are ewaytoomucheffort00:57
lcukmeh, manchester is an hour away by car i will come over for non beer stuff then00:58
rm_youlcuk, you going to meego-dublin?00:59
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luke-jrwhat is dublin01:00
lcukshould be01:00
rm_youi wonder if there are youth hostels i could stay in01:01
timelessthere should be01:01
rm_youprobably somewhere01:01
timelessi might do that01:01
rm_youi think i can afford the tickets and get the vacation time set up01:01
lcukrm_you, if you find the info, could you holler on #meego and get them on the wiki etc01:01
lcuk(may already be there?)_01:01
* trip0 builds mtf for maemo on obs01:02
trumeeah, meego is going to have a working syncml01:03
trumeeanybody ever got opensync working with N900?01:03
trip0lbt, expansion errors all over the place01:04
trip0what repo am i supposed to build against that works?01:04
trip0i get stuff like "nothing provides automake >= 1:1.11,"01:04
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janitrip0: for libmeegotouch ?01:05
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trip0jani: well, this is for contextkit, which libmeegotouch needs01:06
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trip0libmeegotouch will come if I can get these deps built01:06
janiaahk ok, i was thinking someone had added automake to libmeegotouch ..01:06
trip0oh, no. :P01:06
trip0that would be funny01:07
trip0and silly01:07
janiand someone would have gotten a angry mail on monday morning.01:08
trip0what's the package in maemo to give you build-essential?01:11
trip0and what repo do i need to add?01:12
lcukmaemo sdk + tools01:12
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trip0lcuk, i  want to build native on my n90001:12
SpeedEvilI need a flying n900.01:12
SpeedEvilOr a minion to fetch me mine.01:13
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SpeedEvilOr alternatively, a flying sofa.01:13
lcuktrip0, and I was telling you01:13
lcukbuild-essential takes about 80mb atm01:13
lcuksome of it needs optifying or adding to the boottime optify01:14
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GAN900rm_you, you gonna apply for sponsorship? *eg*01:14
lcukbuild-essential works and it can happily make simple c and c++ apps01:14
trip0lcuk, is this going to clog up my root partition?01:14
SpeedEviltrip0: yes01:14
lcuktrip0, yes01:14
trip0yay, all i need is simple c/c++ compilation01:15
SpeedEviltrip0: I recommend copying / onto /home/user/data/ or somewhere.01:15
SpeedEviltrip0: Then chrooting into that01:15
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lcukwill a standard cp / /home/user/data work? i expect no?01:16
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trip0rootfs has 58152 free :(01:16
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* lcuk puts build-essential on at first, and I have a lot more stuff on now01:17
* trip0 starts uninstalling crap01:17
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* lcuk added /usr/share/include to /etc/maemo-optify-auto-opt.conf01:19
trip0what is this optify you speak?01:19
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trip0root is only 256mb?01:20
trip0what's it do?01:21
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lcukmoves out folders from rootfs to a subfolder in /opt01:22
lcukand symlinks the folder01:22
luke-jrlcuk: why not /usr/share ?01:22
trip0oh cool01:23
trip0is in extras-devel?01:23
lcukno trip0, its on the filesystem since pr1.201:23
trip0oh, cool01:23
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LateralusI've used Mobility a good deal in the past three months01:33
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Lateralusthis buffer was scrolled way back in its history, I was responding to a conversation from a day or so ago01:34
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DrIDKhi ! we cannot upload :01:40
DrIDK error: unpack failed: unpacker exited with error code01:40
DrIDK[00:29] <yannux> To ssh://
DrIDK[00:29] <yannux>  ! [remote rejected] master -> master (n/a (unpacker error))01:40
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crashanddieDrIDK: one word: lol02:32
DrIDKcrashanddie: ... :(02:32
cheriffhello, is there somewhere online I can download the stock zImage kernel file? all i can find is the power-users package02:33
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cheriffand google seems full of overclockers when i try search for it :)02:34
aziwoqpdyou could use flasher to extract it from the fiasco firmware image02:34
cheriffum yeah .. lets assume its to late for that :(02:35
DocScrutinizeronly location to find it afaik02:35
DocScrutinizererr how?02:35
cheriffdroped a modified one over the top02:35
cheriff(as provided by a 3rd party)02:35
aziwoqpdflasher does the extraction on your computer not on the phone02:35
aziwoqpdits some command line option02:35
DocScrutinizerno idea what you're talking bout02:35
cheriffi was given a replacement, and it running that now. (this is experimental stuff, for work)02:36
cheriffhowever its also a nice phone - so i'd like to revert, is all.02:36
DocScrutinizerdownload fiasco*COMBINED* from Nokia site, use flasher to extract zimage02:36
cheriffoh i see.02:36
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cherifffor sume reason i though your meant from the fiasco image on the device02:37
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tremnite all, sweet dreams02:44
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cheriffthanks for the tip, got it back all good now03:03
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rm_youGAN900: hadn't planned on it03:17
rm_youGAN900: I haven't done ANYTHING in the past like five months03:18
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chadihas anybody received the neopwn backtrack copy?03:38
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khristi80i need some help05:11
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khristi80any1 here?05:12
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khristi80i have a prob05:15
khristi80with my nok n90005:15
tank-mani wish i had the problem of owning a n900 :)05:15
SpeedEvilkhristi80: What's the problem?05:16
khristi80shortly.....memory device storage unsupported/memory card corrupted05:17
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khristi80i've had a problem with my usb first....the phine was not charging anymore.....i've sent it to repair....and when i've got it back i've had this prob05:19
khristi80any help?05:19
rm_youAnyone know what APN I need to set for Tmobile in the US?05:19
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* rm_you tries to interpret the forum thread05:20
psycho_oreoskhristi80, is it formatted as fat32? the memory card05:21
SpeedEvilkhristi80: is this when you insert a microSD card?05:21
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khristi80i don't know if is fat 3205:23
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khristi80i've told u...i've sent my phone to a repair centre bcs it was not charging anymore....and when i got it back and switched appeared me device storage format unsupported05:24
khristi80and when i check on settings/memory it appears me memory card corrupted05:25
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SpeedEvilIs there a memory card in there?05:25
TermanaN900good morning05:25
khristi80no....the prob is that the device memory is corrupted....if i go to file manager it doesn't appear me nothing05:26
khristi80and if i type df -h on xterm it doesn't show me the 32gib memory05:27
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SpeedEvilkhristi80: hmm.05:28
khristi80i have flashed the device....with both fiasco&emmc and the problem is still not solved05:28
SpeedEvilkhristi80: 3-4 people here have reported that the internal flash SD card has died.05:28
khristi80if i try to mount it with 'mount /dev/mmcblk0p1 /home/user' and run df -h the memory appears but is still corrupted and my file managare doesn't see it05:30
SpeedEvilcat /proc/partitions?05:30
LiraNuna<rm_you> Anyone know what APN I need to set for Tmobile in the US?05:30
luke-jrLiraNuna: only for monthly plans05:31 for Hiptop/Prepaid05:31
SpeedEvil shows here khristi8005:31
rm_youi have the monthly plan with the 9.99 internet05:31
khristi80and after that if i run rm -rf /home/user and after that reboot the device is working like before but on my next reboot or switch off/on the problem appears again05:31
luke-jrI have the $1/day data-only prepaid :P05:31
LiraNunaoh, isn't that one not working for data anymore?05:32
SpeedEvilkhristi80: - sfdisk -l also05:32
DocScrutinizer51rm -rf /home/user ??? o.O05:32
LiraNunathe voicestream02 one05:32
SpeedEvilkhristi80: Can you pastebin stuff from it?05:33
luke-jrLiraNuna: it works only if you have that plan :p05:33
luke-jrthough ports 80 and 443 are blocked05:33
luke-jra little iptables magic, ssh, and transocks, and that's easily bypassed05:33
DocScrutinizer51tbh it's highly unlikely the device will correctly boot after rm -rf /home/user05:34
LiraNunawith a lot of overhead05:34
luke-jrLiraNuna: lot? not really05:34
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LiraNunanetwork has to pipe through a server05:34
luke-jrin any case, it's the only realistic option for T-Mobile if you value your privacy05:34
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luke-jrLiraNuna: only those ports05:34
luke-jrwhich isn't when it matters05:35
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luke-jrSIP and such aren't blocked05:35
LiraNunaanyone here have experience with multi-threaded OGL on maemo5?05:37
DocScrutinizer51khristi80: I suggest another full reflash, correct sequence eMMC first, then rootfs, without booting in between05:37
khristi80i have done that...but nothing's changed#05:38
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khristi80if i run cat /proc/partitions i get this message major minor #blocks name05:40
khristi80179 0 1932164 mmcblk005:40
khristi80179 1 1931256 mmcblk0p105:40
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khristi80179 8 31264768 mmcblk105:40
khristi80179 9 28315648 mmcblk1p105:41
khristi80179 10 2091752 mmcblk1p105:41
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khristi80179 11 786432 mmcblk1p305:41
SpeedEvilblk1p1 is listed twice??05:41
DocScrutinizer51that looks rather messed up05:41
khristi80srry mmcblk1p205:41
DocScrutinizer51and partition is larger than whole device?05:42
khristi80in settings memory i have this05:42
DocScrutinizer51umm no05:42
khristi80device(memory card corrupted)05:42
khristi80memory for instalable applications 1.85 gb05:43
DocScrutinizer51anyway, I suggest doublechecking for correct procedure and file, and redo full reflash05:43
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DocScrutinizer51and remove uSD card!05:43
khristi80i have done full reflash few times and nothing's changed05:43
khristi80i have done it and without sd card and the same05:44
DocScrutinizer51yesyes but have you also done doublecheck?05:44
DocScrutinizer51repeating same little typo over and over, or flashing same wrong image 3 times - won't help05:45
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khristi80if i run now rm -rf /home/user and after that reboot....after reboot the device is working right i mean i'll have 26.98gh device and 1.85 mem4 ins app but on next reboot it returns to the same problem05:45
SpeedEvilI would want to run badblocks against it.05:46
DocScrutinizer51that's raqther nonsensical to do rm ~use05:46
khristi80i know but after that is working till the ne05:47
khristi80next reboot or switch on/off05:47
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khristi80i mean i can browse files and opened it....i can copy files from pc or sd card to device and the other way05:48
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SpeedEvil - somewhat offtopic.  (cheap tablet android)05:48
DocScrutinizer51that's not you causing that with rm, that was me sacrificing a cpu in microwave05:48
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DocScrutinizer51reflash correct images in correct sequence with correct procedure. then boot, check dmesg, run fsck05:50
DocScrutinizer51pastebin copy of the whole procedure flashing and dmesg and fsck05:51
khristi80and if run mount /dev/mmcblk0p1 /home/user/MyDocs the device memory card is still corrupted but i can browse with file manager and open images,videos&music from memory.....only i can't delete them or add something to memory because it shows me read-only05:51
DocScrutinizer51also mount05:51
DocScrutinizer51df -h05:52
DocScrutinizer51and of course id05:52
khristi80after i run the mount command and after that df -h as result it shows me the memory .....but the memory is still corrupted05:53
DocScrutinizer51rm -rf ~user  will erase MyDocs as well aiui05:53
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khristi80i know that....but if i run rm -rf /user/home and reboot /05:55
khristi80when my phone restarts is working normal.....until next reboot or switch on/off05:56
SpeedEvilkhristi80: I would try mkfs.vfat /dev/whateverrmydocsis05:56
DocScrutinizer51eMMC should manage bad blocks automatically. If you get fs corrupted msg you either flashed wrong image or in wrong way, or you managed to corrupt fs after flashing05:56
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DocScrutinizer51and it's highly uninteresting if phone 'works norma' after erasing everything in eMMC (which btw isn't likely)05:57
khristi80i've told you when i got my device from repair centre(bcs was not charging anymore)....when i switch on the device i've got this prob05:57
DocScrutinizer51mhm, so what?05:58
khristi80i've flashed right...i know how to do that05:58
SpeedEvilrm /home/user/* will triggerrr some one-time process05:58
SpeedEvilTo populate /home/user with a template05:59
SpeedEvilIf /home/user/ fails to mount, then you get a stub on the rootfs IIRC05:59
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DocScrutinizer51khristi80: fine. now do you suggest we all do a rm -rf ~user so we can reproduce your situation and compare?06:00
khristi80no ...of course06:00
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khristi80i know that is odd ....and that's not a solution.....but i thought it might me a hint to solve the prob#06:01
DocScrutinizer51then if you refuse to create a somewhat standard system on your device (and document that) I don't see how I can help06:01
khristi80i'm not an expert in linux...just a beginner06:01
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DocScrutinizer51that's why I suggested you pastebin copy of the flashing screen commands and output06:03
DocScrutinizer51there might be an indication of something going wrong that you are not aware of06:04
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khristi80well i will try but when i run the flashing commands it opens in a 2nd window and when the flashing is ended the window is closing and i can't copy&paste06:05
DocScrutinizer51mhm, first indication there's something odd06:07
DocScrutinizer51this should not happen06:07
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DocScrutinizer51so  seems we need to scrutinize the steps until flashing is starting, as there' already something not ok until then06:10
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trip0maybe i'm wrong, but it seems like there's a lot of anti-nokia sentiment on talk.maemo.org06:15
trip0and what people don't seem to understand is, nokia is run by people that are answerable to stock holders06:15
trip0and stockholders want something that competes with apple and google06:15
GeneralAntillesExcept these people are also customers.06:15
trip0and maemo5 doesn't06:16
GeneralAntillesAnd their opinion counts too.06:16
trip0a little06:16
trip0but the stockholders probably want customers who don't even know what a forum is06:16
rm_youtmobile doesnt knoiw WTF my phone is so they just can't help me with anything it seems06:16
trip0want to target* customers...06:16
rm_youcalling back to get a different tech06:16
DocScrutinizer51well, when khristi80  comes back06:17
trip0i bet most of the community came from the n8xx years06:17
DocScrutinizer51your few lines pasted in query before server kicked you for flooding - they look rather outdated06:17
DocScrutinizer51flasher2.5.2 and SW version in image: RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.19-1_PR_MR0 are not the most recent images06:19
DocScrutinizer51or tools06:19
DocScrutinizer51 Image 'kernel', size 1705 kB   Version 2.6.28-20101501+0m5  I do not know where from that printout is, but it's also outdated06:20
DocScrutinizer51hmm 10.2010.19-1 seems ok though06:23
khristi80rx-51_2009se_10.2010.19-1_pr_mr0 it's the latest maemo5 global release06:23
DocScrutinizer51yep, got fooled by the 2009se part06:24
khristi80and the flasher is 3.5 but i don't know why it appears when i'm flashing the image v2.5.206:26
DocScrutinizer51anyway on N900 I got flasher-2.8.2 and on linux desktop I even thought it's 3.x06:26
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DocScrutinizer51hmm will get disconnected, bbl06:27
DocScrutinizeroh, not yet06:27
khristi80and i have a frien who had a prob with his nok rebooting all the time and i have used the same image and emmc to flash it and it wak ok after that...his phonw is working well now06:28
DocScrutinizerso why is it opening another window while flashing? can you paste the cmdline here please?06:28
khristi80first i use flasher-3.06:29
khristi80first i use flasher-3.5 -F maemo.bin -f06:29
khristi80and then flasher-3.5 -F vanilla.bin -f -R06:29
khristi80i have renamed the files after i download them06:30
DocScrutinizerhmm, you should flash vanilla first, but whatever, if you do NOT boot in between it doesn't matter06:30
khristi80i have done it and like that....vanilla first and then fiasco06:30
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DocScrutinizerI can't see how those commands are opening a new window that closes immediately after flasher finishes06:30
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khristi80i'm running win7...06:31
DocScrutinizerso even more we need a proper feedback from flasher about what has actually happened. I don't know about windows, but to me it seemed there should as well not open a new window. These commands, when entered to a "doswindow"  started with admin rights, should run quite normal and print to the doswindow06:33
DocScrutinizeriirc it's been something like "click 'execute command', enter 'cmd', press shift-enter"06:34
DocScrutinizerbut I'll happily hand over to anybody with some real win7 experience, to sort that out. No windows here06:36
DocScrutinizeras long as you can't read what flasher is printing for diagnostic output, you don't know if there might be some problems during flashing, like write errors on eMMC06:37
TermanaN900DocScrutinizer, i can see how it would pop up windows that immediately close06:38
TermanaN900Its Windows, wtf else do you expect?06:39
DocScrutinizerTermanaN900: eh?06:39
TermanaN900nevermind :P06:39
DocScrutinizerbtw, those two commands above look fishy to me anyway. Aren't they supposed to have different parameters for rootfs and eMMC (except the -R which could go away for both)06:41
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khristi80it's the commands from here
DocScrutinizernah, nevermind. That's been uBoot flasher that needs partition to flash, as parameter06:43
DocScrutinizernot maemo06:43
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khristi80someone told me that it might be a hardware fault....but i don't think so06:48
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DocScrutinizer51if it doesn't work after a correct full flash then it must be a hardware fault06:58
DocScrutinizer51and for all the quotes from your device it seems there *is* a uSD card inserted. I suggest to remove that, to keep things simple06:59
khristi80and i forgot to mention that my computer sees my phone memory06:59
khristi80i've reflashed and without sd card and nothing's changed07:00
DocScrutinizer51mhm, eMMC or uSD, or even both?07:00
DocScrutinizer51what means nothing's changed? what exatly is the problem07:01
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khristi80i mean even if i remove the sd card and i reflash fiasco&emmc i still get memory card corrupted07:02
khristi80i have only the 1.88gb for instalable apllications07:02
DocScrutinizer51where does that show up?07:02
khristi80in settings/memory07:02
DocScrutinizer51with uSD removed before booting?07:03
khristi80and when i turn the device on it appears on screen device storage format unsupported#07:03
DocScrutinizer51hmm, we need the output of flasher07:04
khristi80yeah...but i can't get it07:04
DocScrutinizer51I neve heard about that problem07:05
khristi80it's strange that if i run now(with memory card corrupted)in xterm rm -rf /home/user and then reboot ...after the phone reboots the phone is working properly....i mean the memory shows up07:06
DocScrutinizer51so - as mentioned above - try to sort that out07:06
* DocScrutinizer51 sighs and turns away. Whoever told you to delete user home, please ask him to provide further help07:07
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psycho_oreosis it just me or is chinook's sources stuffed?07:12
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DangerMaushey docscrutinizer its there one comprehensive list of pkgs yet? or rather what is in Dev? with a short discription if not obvious?07:33
ieatlintok, c++ q: "typedef enum { VALUE_A, VALUE_B, VALUE_C } valTypes; valTypes types = VALUE_A; types |= VALUE_C;" ... why does the last statement give me a "invalid conversion from 'int' to 'valTypes'" ?07:39
ieatlintcoming mostly from C where that kind of statement is good, enum is essentially an int07:39
ieatlintbut when assigning a value from the enum to the enum... wtf..07:40
DocScrutinizerenum | enum = int ?07:40
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ieatlintwell, i'm doing enum = enum | enum07:41
* ieatlint smashes something07:42
DocScrutinizerenum = enum | enum - that doesn't make sense to me anyway07:42
DocScrutinizerhowever, enum | enum is most likely an int, and for sure not the int representing a valid value of enum type07:43
ieatlinti'm using it for flags07:43
ieatlinthmm.. in C++ the enum must hold a predefined value?07:44
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DocScrutinizerenum is a special int, with "0, 1, 2, 3..." replaced by "bla, fasl, burp, xyz, ..."07:44
DocScrutinizerand restricted in valid values to the number of enum07:45
ieatlintso i did typedef enum { unknown, eep, blah = 1<<5 };07:45
ieatlintthen i want to do type = eep; and set the flag blah07:45
DocScrutinizerso VALUE_B | VALUE_C is 1 | 2 = 307:45
ieatlintso type = eep | blah;07:45
ieatlintfor instance07:45
DangerMausgrrr forgot charger running a lappie with realy long battery to charge phone dont have charger for that either now gotta fig how to use this a modem for that07:46
ieatlintso yeah, c++ requires that the enum only contain a pre-set value... c allows me to set values that are undefined07:46
ieatlintand then test with (type & blah)07:46
DocScrutinizerquite obviously 3 isn't a valid value for typedef enum { VALUE_A, VALUE_B, VALUE_C } valTypes07:46
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ieatlintok, so i need to just set types... ok, whatever, it won't ruin my tests07:47
DocScrutinizerand as that doesn't make sense at all for type enum, the result of enum | enum is an int07:47
ieatlinti'm used to enum supporting int as an assignment is the issue07:48
ieatlintinstead of just enum07:48
DocScrutinizerhmm, that's raping the type paradigma07:49
DocScrutinizeryou probably want #define VALUE_A  0; #define value_b 1; int types;07:50
DocScrutinizeror use a set ;-)07:50
ieatlintyeah, i think i do... the enum is causing unnecessary headache07:50
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ieatlintsetting the dummy types didn't fix it... it seems comparing enums at all in c++ causes an int07:51
DocScrutinizerenum is an enumeration, not a quantity of flags07:51
ieatlintso either i come up with some cast, or it just use07:51
ieatlintbah, it works in c :P07:51
DocScrutinizerit also works in assembler :-P07:52
ieatlintdamn high[er] level languages07:53
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lcukmorning \o11:35
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Pillummy psx doesnt work with psx4m :(11:37
TermanaN900good morning lcuk11:38
TermanaN900must be a weekend, everywhere is quiet11:38
korhojoaI don't understand why people keep calling the ps1 the psx, when a psx is a dvr & ps2 aio device11:38
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lcukTermanaN900, indeed, I am only awake because tracy took eldest out11:39
kerioI don't understand why people keep talking about ps2 as a console if it's a mouse/keyboard connector11:39
lcuki dont understand how people can write cames in postscript11:40
Pillumit is a mouse/keyboard connector11:40
kerioaah ya beat meh11:40
Pillumand the first playstation was called psx ;)11:40
Pillumplaystation experimental11:41
keriothe playstation is a snes addon!11:42
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Pillumwas supposed to be an addon11:42
Pillumbut that doesn't help me with my problem that my emulator cant play any psx (:P) games11:43
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psycho_oreosblame sory11:44
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Pilluminfobot: can you talk?11:45
Pillumhello infobot11:46
Pillumhi infobot11:46
infobotpsycho_oreos meant: blame sony11:46
Pillumthat infobot is dumb:     Pillum    i like you11:47
Pillum    infobot    You like you?11:47
Pilluminfobotp*nis is, like, the DESTROYER of worlds11:48
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infobotPillum meant: s/dumbbot/dumbbot11:51
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PillumI is No11:51
PillumWhat is I?11:51
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Pillumpoink is Grey11:52
Pillumpoink is also a silly word11:52
PillumWhat is poink?11:52
Pillum    no, infobot, x is wugga wugga.11:52
Pillumno, infobot, x is wugga wugga.11:52
PillumWhat is x?11:52
Pillum    infobot, tell fimmtiu about no web11:52
Pilluminfobot, tell kerio about football11:53
Pilluminfobot, tell Pillum about no web11:53
Pillumkarma for meego11:54
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lcukpoor infobot11:54
Pillumx is at
Pillumwhere can i find x?11:55
Pillumdoesn't work :(11:56
Pilluminfobot: what's up?11:57
infobotUp is the direction away from the central point of gravity.11:57
Pilluminfobot: meego++11:57
Pilluminfobot: weather11:57
Pillumdumb bot is <REPLY>stupid human11:57
Pilluminfobot: dumb bot is <REPLY>stupid human11:57
infobot...but dumb bot is already something else...11:57
Pillumdumb bot11:57
PillumWhat is dumb bot?11:58
Pilluminfobot: What is dumb bot?11:58
infobotstupid human11:58
Pilluminfobot: dumb bot11:58
infobotstupid human11:58
Pillumoh noes11:58
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Pilluminfobot: I like you is <REPLY>I hate you.11:59
infobotYou like you is <REPLY>I hate you.?11:59
Pilluminfobot: I like you11:59
infobotYou like you?11:59
Pilluminfobot: I like you is <REPLY>I hate you12:00
infobotYou like you is <REPLY>I hate you?12:00
Pilluminfobot: Ilikeyou is <REPLY>Ihateyou12:00
infobotPillum: okay12:00
Pilluminfobot: whydoyouhateme is <REPLY>causeyouregay12:00
infobotokay, Pillum12:00
Pilluminfobot: youaregay is <REPLY>imashemale12:01
infobotokay, Pillum12:01
Pilluminfobot: ilikeyou12:01
Pilluminfobot: whydoyouhateme12:01
Pilluminfobot: youaregay12:01
Pillumim bored xD12:01
alteregoObviously ...12:01
alteregoWould you mind not spamming the channel?12:01
ham5yes please this is very serious business12:02
lcuknot only that, pushing too many new facts into infobot pushes out the good stuff :P12:02
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alteregolcuk: how're your buttons? :)12:03
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lcukalterego, didn't play, decided to try to get the makefile running happily on desktop linux12:04
lcukso net result, seeing calculator running on 32" big screen12:04
lcukand everything else12:04
alteregoBut the solar panel will be less fun on desktop :P12:05
lcukindeed, its not the same covering a solar panel with little mouse pointer12:05
* lcuk dislikes not touchable desktops12:06
lcukI thought you know, the touchscreen laptops12:06
alteregoI've refined the button component a bit and am now working on a dialog message box thing.12:06
lcukthey never get used as touchscreen on windows at least12:06
lcukbecause theres nothing geared for it12:06
lcukif something as simple as the close button12:06
lcukwere at the bottom of the capacitive laptop screen12:07
lcukthen it could be used like an extra row of keys12:07
lcukbut instead you have to move arm to top right atm12:07
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lcukso annoying12:07
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alteregoI suppose the xterm on maemo is a good example of that.12:11
alteregoThe bottom row is indeed pretty much a row of keys :)12:11
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lcukalterego, indeed12:14
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lcukbut task switching from the top corners make gorillas happy12:15
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lcukalterego, how would you open a new dialog using only qml12:17
lcuksupposing I had a menu screen with a set of buttons to open new screens12:18
alteregoWell, I'd do it in JavaScript12:18
alteregoI'll let you know when I've done it.12:18
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alteregoYou kinky minx, I'm in bed with my N900 at the moment (and hung over gf)12:20
alteregoMight get my laptop hilst she's still subdued and do some coding.12:20
lcukheh nahh tracy is at alton towers, jake has the other laptop watching thomas atm12:21
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lcukand he looks so comfy I might as well do same12:21
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lcuk :D12:23
lcukmy cats would be like that12:23
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lcukalterego, what happens when you press those buttons, do the colors change/look indented etc?12:24
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lcukmorning VDVsx12:27
lcukhow is bluemaemo/meego going?12:27
VDVsxlcuk, morning, not going, besides work and party time have other stuff that is sucking all my time :(12:29
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lcukperhaps organising and documenting its progression and laying out the puzzle pieces on the table would be good and then it can be made by whoever is able to put a piece in place for you12:30
lcuk"oh hi, I made you some potential layouts"12:31
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alteregothey change colour at the moment. It's all pretty customizable. I was thinkinh of doing a 3D z movement effect.12:31
lcuk"I found out how to do the connection stuff in qt bluetooth" etc ;)12:31
lcukalterego, simple > complex12:31
alteregoThe button "overlay" fades in and out on screen activity now too :)12:32
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lcukalterego, so you have rotation only after that button press?12:35
* lcuk finds dynamic rotation of photos frustrating sometimes12:35
alteregoYeah, not sure what I want to do with rotation12:36
alteregoI might add a slider and entry for full 360 rotation12:36
alteregorather than 90 degree incrementas.12:36
lcuki like the option for phone of land/port/auto12:37
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alteregoOh yeah, that's part of my Qt app framework, handled seperately from the QML12:38
lcukso you have to move outside qml often?12:38
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lcukVDVsx, so are you hungover this morning?12:41
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ham5hungover at 6am?12:41
ham5good one12:41
* lcuk often wakes up earlier after drinking with horrid HO12:42
ham5nother timezione nm12:42
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lcukand ham5 morning after is when a HO hits you isn't it12:42
lcukwhen else would you have one?12:42
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VDVsxlcuk, I'm fine, good night of sleep cures almost all kinds of hangovers :D12:42
lcuktheres more than one type o_O12:43
lcukhow cold does it get at night VDVsx - i know its warm in the daytime there12:43
VDVsxlcuk, yes, depends on what causes you the hangover,ol12:43
lcukbut does the briskness return?12:43
VDVsxlcuk, not cold, friday as 23-25 around 4 in the morning12:43
lcukand what are you doing awake at 4 in the morning :p12:44
VDVsxwell, :D12:44
lcuki need more coffee but its miles away12:45
lcukand i cannot bribe eldest to making me one12:45
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alteregolcuk: yeah, I'll be relying a fair amount on C++ code I think12:46
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lcukalterego, hmm are there visual designers for qml ?12:49
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VDVsxlcuk, yes, qt creator12:53
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lcukVDVsx, cool12:56
lcukalterego, so does visual editing work as well then, because what I have seen a lot of is still text editor based layouts (nothing wrong in that it is the most efficient way of c&p manipulation)12:57
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pigeonhmm, the tracker thing sure is weird...13:28
crashanddielcuk: you wouldn't happen to know a pyqt opengl example app?13:30
pigeonnow the image viewer decides not to show any photos/images at all.13:30
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alteregolcuk: what do you mean by visual editing? :)13:34
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pigeonhmm, it seems the tracker has completely ignored my mmc card... now image viewer shows no photos... media player shows no songs/videos...13:47
pigeonand tracker-processes -r + reboot didn't fix it...13:48
BluesLeeis there an easy way to check whether bluetooth is activated or not?13:48
ShadowJKthe icon?13:48
jacekowskipigeon: wait13:48
jacekowskipigeon: it will find them13:48
jacekowskipigeon: after couple minutes13:49
jacekowskimaybe hours13:49
pigeoni tried rm .local/share/tracker and .cache/tracker too...13:49
pigeonjacekowski: hmm13:49
pigeonthe file manager shows them ok13:49
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infobotwell, trackerreset is "tracker-processes --hard-reset" in Terminal13:52
pigeonyeah, that's the same as -r13:52
pigeondone that like 5 times today...13:53
MohammadAG51indeed, do it, reopen media player to reindex13:53
MohammadAG51or photos app13:53
MohammadAG51photos app works better13:53
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pigeonyeah, both empty still13:53
MohammadAG51redo it13:54
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keriotracker reset is apt-get remove tracker13:54
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keriofuck tracker, use a file browser13:55
MohammadAG51not really good when you have 600+ songs13:55
kerioever heard of directories?13:55
MohammadAG51duh, my music is sorted13:56
MohammadAG51the file manager's slow13:56
kerio$artist/$album/$tracknumber $trackname.$extension13:56
pigeon(no images) (no videos) (no songs) :(13:56
MohammadAG51close/reopen media player13:57
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pigeonafter doing tracker-processes --hard-reset, then i start media player, i can see from top trackerd/tracker-indexer is running for a bit.13:58
pigeonthen still, (no songs) (no videos)13:58
pigeonfeels like it's ignoring my mmc13:58
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pigeoni set the camera to save to internal memory, took a new photo, and it showed up in the image viewer, if i set to save to mmc, it doesn't.14:02
pigeoneven though the file is there14:02
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pigeonhmm... ah14:11
pigeoni'm guessing...14:11
pigeon# Pause indexer when disk space is <= this value14:11
pigeon# (0->100, value is in % of $HOME file system, -1=disable pausing)14:11
pigeonmy /home is 99% full...14:11
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alteregoI shuld probably learn vi properly.14:17
alteregoOr install emacs14:17
MohammadAG51nano ftw14:17
pigeonbutterfly, damn it!14:18
alteregowastes too much screen space :P14:18
EdLinlearn vi on a SysVr2 system running a terminal emulator that spews garbage every time you try using arrow keys in insert mode. Then you'll learn vi.14:19
EdLinkids these days with their vim and nano.....14:19
alteregoDamnit, sym key has stopped working14:19
alteregoI suppose it's time I booted the laptop14:21
alteregoQuicker coding anyway :)14:21
ieatlintEdLin: just go for "vim -C" for some nostalgia there14:21
EdLinieatlint: nah, just tried that in OS X, it doesn't have ^H every time you press backspace.14:22
ieatlinthmmm, yeah, wait, -C isn't right14:22
ieatlintthere is a "classic" mode or something14:22
ieatlintwhere it doesn't allow control chars14:22
pigeonthere! tracker is indexing again...14:22
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warheadIm happy new user of nokia n90014:25
EdLinI'm a n810 user, hoping to upgrade to an n900 some day. :)14:25
ieatlintlooks like the closest you can get vim to vi is to run ":set compatible"14:26
warheadcool phone14:26
ieatlintisn't as mean as vi, but it does prevent the arrow keys at least14:26
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EdLinieatlint: yeah, still doesn't do ^H and all of the other stuff.14:27
warheadfor now all works perfect14:27
ieatlinti agree though, i love people who have only ever used vim, then end up on some archiac or very stripped down system with just vi and are extremely confused14:27
EdLinieatlint: my vi skills have probably softened up since I started using vim all the time though.14:27
ieatlintyeah, vim is awesome14:28
EdLinieatlint: yeah, like people used to bash who wind up in an old Solaris system with a choice of sh and ksh (the latter only if they know how to set their shell. :) )14:28
koala_manieatlint: I especially love when those same people say they use "vi", since they don't realize the huge difference14:28
ieatlintkoala_man: well, in fairness, vim has replaced vi such that it really isn't incorrect to say that14:29
EdLinoh yeah, and a choice of /usr/uch/csh - but that'd *really* confuse them.14:30
ieatlintand anyone who ends up in an old solaris system is crying for far more reasons than just having sh14:30
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EdLinieatlint: only on Linux. On a SysV system that's locked down, you won't get vim.14:30
ieatlintespecially if they have one of the god awful keyboards..14:30
ieatlintyeah, well, you just need to know hjkl, and that's 90% of it14:30
koala_manvi was written by bill joy in the seventies. vim was not.14:31
ieatlintthings evolve14:31
koala_manvim can be invoked as "vi" for compatibility, but doesn't make it vi14:31
ieatlintgeeks never have a shortage of pedantry...14:32
ieatlintmyself included :)14:32
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EdLinkoala_man: I don't mind using vim, it's just that it doesn't teach you really what to do if you're using vi without it. Half the point to knowing vi is the fact that it's been on nearly every system since Berkeley userland tools entered SysV.14:32
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EdLinso if you're on a system that isn't able to add your choice of editor, you know what to do anyway.14:33
EdLinvi and bourne shell are part of the lingua franca of Unix, if you don't know them, and are stuck on a strange Unix system, you're in trouble.14:34
koala_manI'm just saying that vim is fantastic, but you should know you're using vim and not vi. otherwise it's incorrect and disrespectful to the vim authors14:35
EdLinkoala_man: they won't know if you don't tell them. ;-)14:35
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koala_manvim tells them.14:36
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ieatlintvim also tells me to donate to eritrea...14:36
koala_manmine doesn't, never noticed it change14:37
ieatlintmeh, one of them countries14:37
koala_manthey're all the same14:37
ieatlintisn't africa a country? :P14:37
koala_manthe south is at least14:38
EdLinyeah, it's the northern part of South Africa14:38
ieatlintwrong, the correct answer is: no, countries have a government14:38
EdLinyou mean they don't have governments there? I'd always suspected....14:39
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EdLinI mean, last time I read National Geographic, it didn't look like they had any governments there.14:40
koala_manthey do so have governments. hundreds of them, one for every few square kilometers14:40
EdLinseriously, I wonder if Africa is going to end up being the next frontier for smartphones. Nokia might have the right idea in actually designing certain S40 handsets for sub-Saharan Africa and other 3rd world locations where cell phones are more common than electricity or wired internet.14:41
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koala_manhow do they charge them?14:42
EdLinkoala_man: believe it or not, bicycle.14:42
EdLinkoala_man: that's why the handsets I mentioned have such a long battery life, 2 weeks or more.14:42
ShadowJKThe low-end s40 phones have awesome battery life14:43
ShadowJKyeah, 2-3 weeks :)14:43
koala_manwow, nokia has a bicycle charger kit. I had no idea14:43
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EdLinkoala_man: yep14:43
ShadowJKand the 2mm charge system looks freaking weird on paper, but it's actually pretty efficient14:43
infobotShadowJK meant: and the 2mm charge system looks freaking weird on paper, but it's actually very efficient14:43
koala_manhow so?14:44
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EdLinkoala_man: efficient enough for bicycle and solar charging to be practical. 'nuff said.14:45
ShadowJKit's able to use a much wider range of supply voltage than microusb14:45
ShadowJKSo you don't need to pedal at the exact correct speed ;-)14:45
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EdLinI actually thought of getting a sim card with a $50 Nokia phone, and saving up for an n900.... Instead I went with a contract and an android phone. I belong here though, I still have an n810. :-)14:47
EdLinwish I hadn't gone with the contract, that was penny wise and pound foolish.14:48
EdLinthe $50 nokia phone is the same one they use in Africa...14:49
EdLintho they sell it for less there14:49
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thopiekarhi maemo-users14:50
thopiekaris there a folder called /usr/lib/python linked with usr/lib/python[version] on your devices?14:51
ieatlint/usr/lib/python2.5 only14:53
EdLinieatlint: does OS2008 use 2.5? Let me boot it up and check...14:54
ieatlintah, yeah, i'm speaking of maemo 5 pr 1.2 on the n90014:54
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EdLin2.5 here too14:57
EdLinthough I assume an n800 unupgraded or the older nokia n7something tablet use something older.14:57
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obcecadois there anyway to sync rss reader with google reader  ?15:04
haltdefI just use grr15:05
obcecadothanks for the hint :-]15:06
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thopiekarhmm thanks for the info!15:18
thopiekarEdLin , ieatlint ^15:18
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EdLinthopiekar: a platform-independant way would be to run which `python` to find your interpreter.15:20
EdLinwell, it'd work on all Unix at least. ;-)15:20
EdLinoops, no backtics. sorry15:21
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thopiekarI'm working on packaging files for Canola.. there are differences between these needed for maemo and desktop pc's.. I want to get them together..15:22
EdLinwhich won't work in all Unix either, actually, looking at the manpage...15:23
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EdLinso much for portability. ;-)15:23
EdLinthopiekar: isn't there a way in python to find out what version you're running, and then use that to guess the /usr/lib/python{$version}?15:24
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thopiekardon'T worry I figured it out :P15:24
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EdLinthopiekar: I'm more knowledgable in Perl and Tcl than Python...15:26
thopiekarthats actually how I compare between the systems.. building under maemo works in chroots with sb and sb is providing a own python compiler as the default one.. so when the version of python is 2.3 the rules file knows that it is running under a maemo builder and replaces the control file with the specific control-maemo file.. which differences with control-desktop in the package section15:27
thopiekarEdLin: thanks anyway!15:27
EdLinI should learn python one of these days.15:28
crashanddiecan you speak English?15:28
EdLincrashanddie: yeah, I know the basics are easy. :)15:28
crashanddiethen you know the basics of python :P15:28
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EdLincrashanddie: if you've ever seen non-trivial python code in the wild, you know that's not enough. ;-)15:29
crashanddiesure it is15:29
EdLincrashanddie: though you'd understand more of it than Perl.15:29
crashanddieor C++ templates15:30
* thopiekar likes programming in Python!15:30
keriounix = man15:31
kerioif you have man, you don't need to know15:31
crashanddietemplate <class foo> foo GetBigFoo(foo a, foo b) { return a > b ? a : b);15:31
keriocrashanddie: max(a, b)15:32
crashanddiekerio: only works on ints :)15:32
crashanddiekerio: whereas you could also overload the > operator to handle the template15:32
keriolist(sorted((a, b)))[1]15:32
EdLinin more ways than one. ;-)15:33
crashanddieI mean, I can now officially call myself a C++ developer by trade, but I wouldn't say I really enjoy the dark corners of C++ in the least15:33
crashanddiePython really is a "fun" language, allowing for quick prototypes and uber-fun development15:33
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keriopython is awesome <315:34
keriodecorators are a beautiful concept, generators and iterators are incredibly powerful15:36
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TermanaHmm, I was wondering why my hands stink. And then I realised, they smell like the flea powder I helped apply earlier15:59
TermanaMost exciting thing that will happen all night in here15:59
SpeedEvilI recently had a comedy accident.16:00
SpeedEvilTake footage of any number of films where the protagonist slips on ball bearings.16:01
SpeedEvilreplace the ball bearings with deep-frozen blackcurrants.16:01
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lcukSpeedEvil, were any berries injured in the making of that magical moment?16:13
SpeedEvilBeing deep frozen and all.16:14
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alteregolcuk: yeah, the beta Qt creator for Qt 4.7 has a QML designer integrated in it.16:48
alteregoI do everything by hand at the moment, on the device.16:48
alteregoWith gedit editing on my laptop via sshfs16:49
lcukalterego, how does that work when you need the c++ elements tying in with it16:49
alteregoNot sure, I've not really used it.16:50
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lcukalterego, ahh16:52
alteregoHeh, very MeeGo16:55
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SpeedEvilKirk = nokia, Spock=intel, Redshirt=community?16:57
lcukSpeedEvil, you are implying therefore that community is in the role of Scottie16:59
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lcukalterego, and re meego, I thought same too17:02
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* MohammadAG found a fix for compiz17:05
MohammadAGwhile true; do compiz --replace; done17:05
MohammadAGwhenever it crashes, it starts again17:05
kerioMohammadAG: compiz on n900?17:06
MohammadAGLOL no17:06
kerioi see17:07
keriohow does maemo's dashboard interface work?17:07
kerioscreenshots of every application?17:07
kerioi saw them moving17:07
MohammadAGno, it's live17:07
MohammadAGsee hildon-desktop's code17:07
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alteregoI wonder how hard it would be to write a pure javascript qml interpreter17:15
DocScrutinizerpillum o.O :-(17:15
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DocScrutinizerwhy isn't anybody helping to stop such nonsense?17:15
alteregoWhat are you talking about?17:16
DocScrutinizer[2010-08-15 10:52:43] <Pillum>     no, infobot, x is wugga wugga.17:16
jacekowskix is wugga wugga17:16
DocScrutinizer[2010-08-15 10:52:50] <Pillum> What is x?17:16
jacekowski~x is wugga wugga17:16
jacekowskihmm, infobot is broken17:16
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kerioinfobot: x is lol17:18
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infobotit has been said that docscrutinizer is jOERG, a HW-developer and engineer of Openmoko17:18
infoboti heard jacekowski is a cat from red dwarf17:18
DocScrutinizer~factinfo x17:18
infobotx -- last modified at Tue Jul 29 00:05:50 2003 by dondelelcaro!; it has been requested 17 times, last by Pillum, 5h 22m 36s ago.17:18
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kerioinfobot, kerio is awesome17:18
infobotkerio: okay17:18
infobotwell, mohammadag is special17:18
infobotwell, kerio is awesome17:18
DocScrutinizer~forget x17:18
infobotDocScrutinizer: i forgot x17:18
kerio~forget kerio17:19
infoboti forgot kerio, kerio17:19
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kerioinfobot: who are you17:19
infobotkerio: what are you talking about?17:19
infobotsomebody said tybollt was some bloody idiot17:19
infobotkerio, i love abuse, feed me!, or whack, yo17:19
DocScrutinizernow please don't let us continue that BS pillum was spamming the chan with17:19
MohammadAGinfobot, gtfo17:19
infobotkerio: aw, gee17:19
infobotSorry sir, I won't bother you anymore.17:19
keriopoor infobot :(17:20
keriohe was just trying to help17:20
keriohe's just a bit gullible17:20
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lcukits all fun and games until someone loses an arm
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* DocScrutinizer has a whole tablet of armV517:22
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lcukDocScrutinizer, n8x0?17:23
lcukso which os sits on it17:23
DocScrutinizeror were those S3C2440 ?17:23
DocScrutinizerit's a SoC17:23
DocScrutinizer50 SoCs17:24
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* alterego sighs .. Another boring post by abill_uk17:25
kerioDocScrutinizer: beowulf cluster!17:25
DocScrutinizerhmm, RAM missing17:25
DocScrutinizerand soldering that micro-BGA chips really is no fun17:25
lcukhow hot does an oven have to be?17:26
lcukand have you got enough hairclips to make a template holder?17:26
DocScrutinizer240°C ?17:27
lcukgas mark 4! :D17:27
* lcuk cannot remember which stage the solder bath was needed, but I bet you could improvise17:28
DocScrutinizerI got ever solder paste, *could* do that :-) If I had a gas oven :-P17:29
lcukmicrowave it :D17:29
ShadowJKelectric no good?17:29
lcukso you have the screens and everything?17:29
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lcukor just the chips17:29
DocScrutinizernone either, believe or not17:29
DocScrutinizeronly a palette of chips17:30
ShadowJKwere you planning on doing something with them?17:30
DocScrutinizergot a whole bag of chips, unsorted17:30
DocScrutinizermdern art?17:30
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DocScrutinizerthere's one of my arms
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DocScrutinizerShadowJK: interested?17:35
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DocScrutinizerin that chips mix, or some arms17:36
DocScrutinizerthe litter on these photos is maybe 1%17:37
DocScrutinizerin volume. In numbers much less, as there are several reels with transistors etc17:37
ShadowJKI'm not competent with anything that can't be connected using a PH1 screwdriver :P17:39
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DocScrutinizerhas anybody (pointer to) chan statistics? is that normal to have 100 less on weekend?17:41
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DocScrutinizerlcuk: solder bath not commonly used nowadays17:44
alteregoAh, sunday afternoon trolling ..17:44
DocScrutinizerit's been thru-hole ages17:44
jacekowskithru hole is still used17:45
DocScrutinizeruh? me?17:45
DocScrutinizerjacekowski: you can't use bath- soldering though, on mixed technology PCB17:45
jacekowskibesides, it's not bath17:46
jacekowskiit's wave17:46
jacekowskior we are talking about something else?17:46
DocScrutinizeryesyes, wave, or foam or whatever17:46
DocScrutinizerusually you got 99% SMT and the few thruhole components are a nuissance and need manual soldering then17:47
DocScrutinizerprobably one reason why Nokia used SMT USB17:48
keriothe n900's usb sucks ._.17:49
kerioit broke!17:49
DocScrutinizeralterego: you used the T-word, triggering chanop-alert over here. Now please be specific what should be done17:51
alteregoErm, nothing.17:52
alteregoI was commenting about a tmo post.17:52
kerioTMO and trolling are very close17:52
alteregoSorreh :P17:52
jacekowskihmm, where i can get couple MHz square wave17:53
lcukhands up who thought that would be a wiki article about sex toys17:55
* alterego claims innocence17:55
korhojoalcuk: wut? an Astable Multivibrator. that's awesome, I use them all the time17:57
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* lcuk giggles17:58
Muellibut it p0rn in a way.. nerdy pr0n though...17:59
Muellisexy schematics...17:59
DocScrutinizerquite cool is a synced ASMV, you can use as divider up to 1:100, and as well has property to provide continuous wave even without syncing signal17:59
DocScrutinizernow read that with sexual connotation18:00
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korhojoa1:100 is pretty bukkake IMO18:01
korhojoaI mean, a continuous wave is freaky enough, but no sync? Come on, those are some real professionals doing that then.18:01
lcukDocScrutinizer, i can only think of walking like a cowboy and chafing18:01
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Arkenoimy messaging database was messed up again. it is second time this happening.18:17
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lcukArkenoi, messed up?18:20
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Arkenoilcuk: messages seen in the list not matching messages seen inside conversations, undeletable messages, etc18:23
lcukomg, jake is singing Cyndie Lauper - girls just wanna have fun. at the top of his voice18:24
lcukArkenoi, thats not good18:24
lcukis your clock set correctly?18:24
oscilliki had to reflash my N900 the other day simply because it was taking over 8 seconds to go through each level in the E-Mail app18:24
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Arkenoilcuk: yep. when it happened before i just checked database for valuable messages, saved those and dropped the rest18:25
Arkenoii filled a bug, but there was no progress on it18:25
kerioyou filled it with what?18:26
lcukArkenoi, which bug?18:26
Arkenoikerio: i described symptoms and provided some sql dumps on request18:27
Arkenoiit is somewhere on bmo, let me find it..18:27
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povbotBug 10614: Message database corruption18:34
Arkenoihere it is18:34
lcukholy poop.  vlad got live wallpapers with xscreensaver support \:o/
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oscillikhmm at around 1:10 that's not a good example of the responsiveness of Maemo someimtes18:40
oscillikreally does annoy me when the OS registers a tap (because you can feel the vibration) but it doesn't actually do anything18:40
nid0there are several points where he has to re-press things several times :\18:41
oscillikyeah, it's pretty bad :(18:41
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lcukoscillik, nid0 - :) I have confidence we can cleanup all but the worst offenders with some hard core debugging - all the desktop code is open and vlads stuff is too18:41
lcukwe should be able to find out with a concerted effort18:41
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lcukand in doing so, may help any other areas too :)18:42
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oscillikthat's not the point though...Nokia should've gotten that kind of sluggishness sorted before the phone shipped18:42
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Arkenoiwimax connection sucks :-(18:42
lcukthis sort of stuff wasn't even thought of at first, cmon - some of the time this device gets pushed way beyond on lots of levels18:42
oscilliklcuk: i experience the sluggishness on my hanfset and i don't even push it18:43
oscilliki'm not running any kind of mods or tweaks18:43
oscilliki have very few apps installed18:43
Arkenoiwish i could run "providence" and "lament" on n900. actually it might drain my battery damn fast :-)18:43
nid0lcuk - I think oscillik was more just generally referring to points in the video where vlad has to, for example, press the task manager icon like 4 times while just flipping between screens18:43
oscillikyes exactly18:43
* lcuk does not notice this many things - I use fairly normal system18:44
nid0vlad might just have a very light touch tbh as I dont really see it that much, but in the video of his device at least it looks real bad18:44
toggles_wlol, define "normal" on the n90018:44
lcukbut sometimes it can get ott18:44
lcukyes agreed18:44
oscilliklcuk: i just told you that my system is VERY normal, yet i still experience many occasions where the GUI just doesn't respond to taps, even though the OS has registered that i tapped18:44
lcukbut I thought that was more with whats trying to be done18:44
toggles_wthe whole point of it is to hack it18:44
toggles_wfrom the very begining there was "push"18:45
lcukindeed toggles_w18:45
* lcuk can bring machine to its knees18:45
toggles_wi think they did good, if only better battery life...18:45
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lcuktoggles_w, again depends on what you do, I have 2 principle machines here and get wildly different battery life18:46
lcukdepending on which is being used for what at different times18:46
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nid0the thing that baffles me most with battery life is why it's only 1380mAh when a bp-4l battery that's the same physical volume and a like 4 year older design, has a 1500mAh capacity :(18:47
lcukdunno nid0 is it a different composition?18:47
lcukand would they be compatible?18:47
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* Arkenoi wonders why there are no *good* chinese replacement batteries18:47
oscilliknid0: those batteries are not the same size at all18:48
lcukhow do I know battery is dying?18:48
nid0no idea, theyre both nokia batteries - they arent interchangable as theyre different dimensions (bp-41 is much longer and thinner) but the volume is practically identical18:48
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oscillikthe BP-4L is thinner by a fraction of a millimetre, if that. i get what you're saying though, i think the BP-4L could've been incorporated into the design. or at least a battery of equal capacity18:49
oscillikhmmm BP-4L is Li-Polymer while BL-5J is Li-ion18:50
nid0they both weigh the same too :<18:50
oscillikand output the same voltage18:51
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lcukcyas later anyway, goin for a walk with jake18:56
DocScrutinizeroscillik: one some page I found a statement N900 us using BP-4L battery, and that battery had been spec'd to have 1200mAh there iirc.18:59
oscillikdocscrutinizer: that information is incorrect, since the N900 cannot accomodate the BP-4L battery at all18:59
oscilliki have both batteries in front of me right now, because i own both an N900 and an E9019:00
DocScrutinizerdid I say I think it's a correct info?19:00
oscillikdid i say that you thought it was incorrect?19:00
oscilliki merely pointed out that the information is incorrect, not that you thought it had any credence19:00
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* DocScrutinizer sighs and ponders about getting coffee without milk, better than no coffee at all19:02
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oscilliki haven't had coffee for ages19:03
nid0same two devices as my batteries are from \o/19:03
oscilliknid0: i also have a Psion netBook and Series 5mxPRO here too19:04
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timelesssp3000: grumble, my tv died19:14
JaffaAf'noon, all19:14
timelessand it died after 6pm, so i can't buy a replacement today19:14
keriotimeless: my microusb port died19:15
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steinexquestion: is it possible to run fremantle on the desktop to develop/test things out? a virtual machine or such?19:19
korhojoasteinex: there is the dev platform that runs on ubuntu19:20
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steinexkorhojoa: downloading this now19:22
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keriodo you guys use wifiswitcher?19:24
timelesskerio: =(19:24
timelessi suspect it's cheaper to get a replacement usb port than a replacement tv19:24
timelessand hopefully your tv is under warranty19:25
keriotimeless: i blame the browser, btw19:25
timelessmine requires me to figure out what to do w/ my accursed finnish tv setup19:25
keriomy tv isn't19:25
keriomy n900 is19:25
timeless:o, why?19:25
korhojoatimeless: huh?19:25
keriodunno, i feel like blaming you19:25
timelessyeah, i obviously meant your n90019:25
timelessit's my tv that's dead after all19:25
steinexkerio: i think wifiswitcher has not much impact on battery life if you disable auto-discovery of wlan anyway19:26
steinexat least thats my impression19:26
keriosteinex: i was looking for something like that, yeah19:26
korhojoatimeless: what tv?19:26
DocScrutinizerkerio: I told you you must not use it anymore, prior to fixing the loose bits. Please don't complain now19:27
kerioDocScrutinizer: the loose bits are still there19:27
kerioand it's not *really* dead19:27
timelesstekojo: ping(dns, maemo)19:27
keriojust unusable19:27
timelesskerio: my tv wasn't turning on anymore19:27
timelessfor the last couple of months it had issues w/ this "on" concept19:27
timelessbut now it refuses19:27
keriobecause you have to push the plug in a unhealthy way19:27
timelesskorhojoa: calling it a tv is kinda wrong19:28
kerioDocScrutinizer: i've been using two batteries + external charger for a couple of days19:28
kerioit works fine19:28
timelessit's an LG Flatron L193st19:28
korhojoawell, timeless non-functioning display device19:28
kerioexcept that my uptime sucks :(19:28
DocScrutinizerLG eeew19:28
korhojoatimeless: ehn, monitor + tv-combo?19:28
DocScrutinizergot a LG as well. Completely borked firmware19:29
timelessit's my G5's secondary DVI19:29
timelessbut i think that the Handan DVR tried very hard to kill it19:29
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korhojoahaha :D19:30
keriosamsung ftfw19:30
korhojoakerio: not always19:30
kerioi can speak from my huge experience19:30
kerio(1 tv)19:30
korhojoai'd like one of them nice sony tv's. they're just so darn expensive19:30
timeless(and obviously succeeded)19:30
keriotimeless: avenge your tv19:31
timelessthe dvr is crap19:31
timelessso i'm in the market (kinda) for a replacement TV solution19:31
korhojoatbh, we've got a panasonic at home, and it works just fine. i've got a samsung here, and a samsung monitor (which has been replaced onsite once, awesome.)19:31
kerioget a huge hammer19:31
timelessi currently have Elisa Cable19:31
korhojoatimeless: samsung's 2333HD19:31
DocScrutinizerkorhojoa: sony has a damn long record of building TV that *always* have issues19:31
keriotimeless: elgato eyetv19:31
timelessand the DVR has an incredibly flaky EPG19:31
timelessand the dvr is less functional than a VCR from 198819:31
korhojoaDocScrutinizer: well. so don't buy the dodgy ones19:31
timeless(or 85?)19:32
DocScrutinizerkorhojoa: and repair cost more than gold19:32
keriobecause really, *when* is your computer turned off?19:32
korhojoahandan sucks anyways, get a real one (dreambox)19:32
korhojoaDocScrutinizer: well then, see to it that it breaks during warranty19:32
timelessi want something which can:19:32
timeless1. manage 21 or more programs (handan dies at 20)19:32
timeless2. record a program 5 days a week (bonus points for arbitrary sets of days)19:33
kerio(not affiliated)19:33
korhojoatimeless: dreambox or a mythtv machine.19:33
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timelessnote that my only computers are a p2/450 or a G519:33
timelessand i'm not likely to sacrifice the os on either19:33
kerio"Mac TV tuners with EyeTV software. Turn your Macintosh into a television and DVR."19:33
timelessso w2k, OSX10.519:33
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timelessi think eyetv requires an intel mac these days19:34
timelesswe tried looking19:34
timelessand kinda reached that conclusion19:34
timelessplease correct me19:34
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DocScrutinizerkorhojoa: won't help for two reasons: 1) repair will send back device with *more* bugs/failures rather than fixing the original issue, and 2) warranty doesn't extend on "fixing" some issue. So after 6 months you still have that annoying vertical bar in the picture, but Sony doesn't care anymore19:34
korhojoaDocScrutinizer: i see you've been hit with a defective product19:35
keriotimeless: "EyeTV 3.4.2 is a universal application, which works on both Power PC and Intel Macs."19:35
kerio(last version to support ppc)19:35
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kerioit's stuff with less cpu than my sheevaplug :/19:37
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DocScrutinizerif dreambox is working meanwhile, then it's probably a nice (though expensive) device19:38
timelesshow expensive?19:39
DeMardoes anyone know how to fix this:  /usr/bin/nitdroid-installer: line 547: cannot create /home/user/MyDocs/.nitdroid/installer.log: nonexistent directory19:39
kerioDeMar: huh... mkdir /home/user/MyDocs/.nitdroid19:40
timelessso how would i get a dreambox?19:40
timelessi'd want one w/ dvi, and possible scart, although tbh i don't like scart at all19:40
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timelessand would probably rather get an extra dvd player which has some useful output19:40
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DeMarthx kerio :*19:41
kerioDeMar: tell the #nitdroid guys to add a mkdir -p /home/user/MyDocs/.nitdroid somewhere19:42
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korhojoatimeless: vaasasta compusat: www.compusat.fi19:42
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keriohmm, rsync via ssh uses a different unicode encoding than rsync with a locally-mounted volume :/19:44
DocScrutinizerDM8000 : 949.- EUR19:44
DocScrutinizerfirst hit19:45
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korhojoaI didn't say they were cheap19:45
keriotimeless: transmission + flexget is free19:45
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alteregoDamnit, QML javascript doesn't have setTimeout ..19:54
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timelessalterego: setTimeout isn't part of JS19:58
timelessit's part of DOM19:58
timelesswhich as far as JS is concerned is a Host Object19:58
timelessdoc: way out of my ballpark19:59
timelessi think my ceiling is /probably/ 200EUR19:59
alteregotimeless: I know, it's just freakin' annoying :P19:59
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DocScrutinizerso no dream-multimedia HD product for you20:00
timelessare they all out of my league?20:00
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timelessis there something for ~300?20:00
DocScrutinizerHD yes20:00
DocScrutinizerDB500HD iirc20:00
timelesskeep in mind that i'm short one display too20:00
timelessunless it can share my mac's primary DVI (cinema)20:01
DocScrutinizerDreambox DM 500 HD 309,00EUR20:01
jacekowskii was using skystar DVB card20:03
jacekowskito watch paid tv for free20:04
timelessi'm not trying to break the law here20:04
timelessi'm just trying to get a non lame UX while watching programming20:05
timelessmostly i want time shifting that works20:05
timelessit's way too much to ask for in this country20:05
jacekowskiwell, not really legally]20:06
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Arkenoias-daemon is running at 100% cpu for hours.20:07
jacekowskikill it20:07
timelessarkenoi: there are instructions for enabling logging20:07
timelessread them, follow them20:07
timelesscontact the person who wants the logs, provide them20:07
jacekowskinot audio scrobbler?20:08
timelesshey, it works20:08
timelessscrobblers aren't part of the default install20:08
timelessso i have to assume he means the thing i'm thinking of :)20:08
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jacekowskinever assume anything20:09
timelessdpkg -l as-daemon-020:09
timelessread the description20:09
timelessi'm not wrong20:09
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DocScrutinizerso as like in "nice to have elementary function of any mobile device that's never going to work flawlessly" :-)20:10
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timelessit's one of the few components getting work20:11
timelessand it has real customers20:11
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timeless(the vast majority of nokia)20:12
DocScrutinizer(minus you're using redmond crap on both your desktop and mobile gadget)20:12
timelessand the team working on it cares20:12
timelessms licensed the tech to google20:12
timelessor google reverse engineered it, whichever20:12
timelessactivesync is supported by a number of platforms20:12
timelessit's basically imap done right20:12
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jacekowskishame that mail for exchange sucks20:13
timelessimap basically fails miserably20:13
jacekowskiat least with zimbra20:13
timelessthe imap protocol is:20:13
timeless1. get the full message index20:13
timeless2. ask the server if it's ok20:13
korhojoatimeless: i've got a dm600 if you would like it20:13
timelessmy mail clients try it:20:13
timeless1. message index please?20:13
timeless2. are you ok?20:13
korhojoait's not hd-capable, but it works just fine. if you want, i'll stick in the newest firmware too20:13
timelessanswer: no, thanks for asking20:13
timelessguess what the client does next?20:13
jacekowskiand zimbra works nicely with everything except n90020:13
timeless.... it goes back to step 120:14
timelessjacekowski: did anyone file a bug against zimbra/mfe?20:14
VDVsxtimeless, lol, Pop is even worst20:14
jacekowskithere was couple bugs20:14
timelesswhat did they say?20:14
jacekowskithat it's broken20:14
timelessvdvsx: technically pop shouldn't be20:14
timelessjacekowski: which it?20:14
jacekowskimail for sexchange20:14
DocScrutinizertechnically I fail to see the point of imap20:15
jacekowskiexchange i meant20:15
jacekowskiwell, imapidle20:15
timelessjacekowski: meaning the n900 client impl20:15
povbotBug 9513: N900 calendar resynchronization with Zimbra v6.0.5 will be broken after editing N900 calendar20:15
timelessor the zimbra server side?20:15
povbotBug 8191: MfE calendar (re)synchronization with Zimbra (version 5.0.x) fails20:15
jacekowskiwell zimbra works with everything except n90020:15
timelessjacekowski: c5= "WFM"20:16
timelessif you have a problem, post logs20:16
timelessranting is not appreciated, especially for components which provide decent logging20:16
timelessMfE is one of the very few which has it20:16
DocScrutinizerI mean, I want my mail _just_ downloaded and stored locally. If I were to use a server based always-online mail storage architecture, I'd use sshfs or something20:16
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timelessand yes, i have turned on logs and provided them20:16
povbotBug 9513: N900 calendar resynchronization with Zimbra v6.0.5 will be broken after editing N900 calendar20:16
timelessnote the anchor (c5)20:17
DocScrutinizeror a web mailer20:17
jacekowskiand i had another problem with e-mails20:17
timelessdoc: some of us don't have server access20:17
jacekowskithat if it was html e-mail there was nothing showing up20:17
jacekowskiin pr1.220:17
timelessanywa, please please please provide logs20:17
jacekowskiand i switched to imap20:17
jacekowskiand never tried it in pr1.220:18
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jacekowskiand i have little bit older zimbra20:18
jacekowskitimeless: do you have full version of zimbra or something?20:18
timelessnot handy20:19
timelessi'd rather someone else do basic logging first20:19
timelessif necessary i can arrange for this stuff20:19
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jacekowskii mean what version you are using?20:19
timelessbut really, it shouldn't be my job20:19
timelessi'm not!20:19
timelesswe use exchange server20:19
timelessthe reporter of the bug you referenced said his problem went away20:19
timelessthat means "worksforme[reporter]"20:19
jacekowskiwell, exchange and linux is a no go20:19
timelesswell, there are two or three mfe services available20:20
timelessthere's one which more or less committed to working w/ the n90020:20
timelessand if you provide logs showing a problem20:20
timelesseither the mfe team will work to fix it, or they can contact the zimbra team to work to fix it20:20
timelessif you don't provide logs, you're just wasting my time20:21
timelessand really, enabling logging in 1.2 is *trivial*20:21
jacekowskiwell, i just worked around the problem20:21
jacekowskibut i'll upgrade my zimbra20:21
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jacekowskiand use proper mfe setup20:22
* timeless hates users20:22
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timelesswait, were you using an out of date product and complaining it wasn't bugfree?20:22
* timeless really hates users20:22
jacekowskiwell, it wasn't out of date not so long ago20:22
timelessthat's like me complaining my VCR from 1988 doesn't handle HD tv well20:22
jacekowskiit doesn't?20:23
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timelesswell, no :)20:23
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jacekowskithat sucks20:24
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timelessgiven that hd tv wasn't invtented until later, it's not particularly fair20:25
timelesswhich is the point20:25
jacekowskiwell, it's analogue20:26
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jacekowskiso horizontal resolution should be close to infinite20:26
jacekowskiwhich is well above HD20:26
EdLinjacekowski: it uses NTSC or PAL.20:27
me1nehello maemoers... I am not quite sure if this could help me but: Is there a way to set n900 bluetooth MAC address? And can a MAC be all zeroes?20:27
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jacekowskihorizontal resolution is still infinite20:27
EdLinme1ne: first question yes, second question, ordinarily no.20:27
jacekowskithats beauty of analogue signal20:28
me1neEdLin, how would I go about changing it?20:28
EdLinme1ne: don't ask me, I just lurk here. ;-) I assume it can be done though.20:28
jacekowskisingle vhs tape stores about 1T of data20:29
me1neah well.. thx EdLin20:29
EdLinme1ne: look up the information for how to do it on Google for Linux or something.20:29
MohammadAG51check how i got it working on nitubuntu me1ne20:29
keriohow do i reset all the hildon-thumbnails?20:30
MohammadAG51modprobe hci_h4p ; echo "00:11:22:33:44:55" > /sys/devices/platform/hci_h4p/bdaddr ; modprobe -r hci_h4p ; modprobe hci_h4p20:30
timelessmy vcr would have been american20:30
timelessand i'm in europe20:30
timelessso yeah, there are some minor details20:30
timelessplus the total lack of support for insane tech like scart20:31
MohammadAG51scrat sucks :)20:31
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me1neMohammadAG : aye will try20:32
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DocScrutinizer(<jacekowski> so horizontal resolution should be close to infinite) nope, it's limited to analog AV/RF bandwidth, which equals something around VGA usually20:45
SpeedEviljacekowski: You get about 2MHz or so on a VHS, at maybe 4 bits.20:45
DocScrutinizeras @~4MHz there's the PAL color carrier that naturally limits bandwidth20:46
SpeedEvilThis is ~a megabyte a second. Maybe 3.6G/hour20:46
SpeedEvilThere is no subcarrier on VHS20:46
SpeedEvilThe signal is remodulated, and the signal is altered.20:47
MohammadAG51hmm, a joke turns into a discussion on this channel20:47
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SpeedEvilI remember that the signal is encoded as a FM signal onto the tape with an ultimate bandwidth of up to 2M - but I forget how colour is enoced.20:47
SpeedEvilI had a danmere 'Backer'20:48
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG51: yes, if it's a poor joke, then of course20:48
SpeedEvilIt did recording on stock video tape using normal VCRs.20:48
SpeedEvilIIRC it got about 600M/tape20:48
DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: jacekowski was suggesting though that analog crt tv has infinite resolution on horizontal scan, which istn't true neither for RF nor for AV. It might *theoretically* be correct for RGB/component/svideo20:50
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MohammadAG51since frozen-bubble was demoted, twice, for retarded reasons, i'm keeping it in -devel20:52
kerioMohammadAG: is it playable?20:52
* kerio goes to install20:52
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timelesswhy was it demoted?20:52
DocScrutinizerdoes it blend?20:53
keriooh ffs it needs perl20:53
MohammadAG51kerio, yes20:53
* kerio doesn't install it20:53
MohammadAG51perl takes up rootfs space, blame Nokia20:53
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MohammadAG51timeless, that's why20:53
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MohammadAG51DocScrutinizer, it needs Qt 4.7.3 to blend20:54
SpeedEvilhorizontal resolution on the n900 - I did some research.20:55
kerioSpeedEvil: it's... 800?20:55
SpeedEvilWay under20:55
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DocScrutinizeron AV I suppose?20:56
kerioit looks 800x48020:56
keriooh, the AV20:56
kerio640x480i60 for ntsc, 768x576i50 for pal?20:57
SpeedEvilkerio: no, you can't do that.20:57
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SpeedEvilkerio: It's more like 460*480 for NTSC - or close to that.20:58
timelessis this ignoring interlacing?20:58
keriothat sucks ._.20:58
SpeedEvilInterlacing is completely irrelevant to horizontal resolution.20:58
SpeedEvilWell - if you compare between an interlaced signal, and one with the same vertical resolution.20:59
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luke-jrinterlacing is basically half vertical resolution, double framerate20:59
luke-jrwith a skew20:59
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SpeedEvilIt's a hack to keep vertical resolution and double the framerate21:00
SpeedEvilthat mostly works with CRT displays.21:00
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luke-jrcan work on LCD fine21:01
DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: >>At best it would be mono. Even if it's possible at all.<< eh? why that?21:01
luke-jrjust not necessarily any more efficient than progressive21:01
* luke-jr wonders why no video players actually have a sane implementation of interlacing21:01
trumeeare .ogg streams decoded by dsp?21:01
SpeedEvilluke-jr: CRT works better fundamentally.21:01
luke-jrtrumee: ofc not21:01
trumeeluke-jr: what about mp3?21:02
luke-jrtrumee: nfc21:02
SpeedEvilluke-jr: As with CRTs, a large portion of the light comes out at the exact point that the beam hits the screen, or a tiny fraction later. The rest comes out later.21:02
trumeewhat eats less battery .ogg or .mp321:02
luke-jrtrumee: but .ogg is too simple to waste DSP on21:02
SpeedEviltrumee: mp321:02
keriowhat about .oggs that are actually mp3?21:02
DocScrutinizerI knew he'd ask that21:02
SpeedEviltrumee: At least according to some measurements.21:02
SpeedEviltrumee: however.21:03
timelessare you guys talking about .ogv or .oga?21:03
SpeedEviltrumee: It's largely irrelevant unless you killpulseaudio.21:03
trumeei want to setup icecast server, and was wondering which format to choose (.ogg vs mp3)21:03
luke-jrtimeless: I'm talking about .ogg container21:03
timelessthe container isn't interesting...21:03
SpeedEviltrumee: It's pretty irrelevant.21:03
luke-jrtimeless: I agree21:03
luke-jrbut that's what .ogg is21:03
luke-jra container21:03
timelesstheora/vorbis are interesting21:04
trumeeogg Vorbis files21:04
luke-jrhe didn't ask about those21:04
timelessas is/are mpeg-audio v. mpeg-video (e.g. layer 3? or 4?)21:04
SpeedEvilThe container can be interesting if it stops the hardware understanding it.21:05
trumeeluke-jr: so what about vorbis files?21:05
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DocScrutinizerhardware understands containers?21:05
ShadowJKogg the container is mostly embarassing21:05
trumeeDocScrutinizer: that links shows mp3 is better than ogg21:06
keriotrumee: read moar21:06
kerioffvorbis gives the same battery life21:06
kerioand pulseaudio's forced equalizer sucks 3 hours of battery life21:07
keriothe asshole21:07
trumeewhat is the difference between libvorbis and ffvorbis?21:07
ShadowJKlibvorbis is the vorbis decoder by xiph.org21:08
ShadowJKffvorbis is part of ffmpeg, it's an independent implementation21:08
trumeeso is ffvorbis picked used by N900 media player?21:08
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ShadowJKthe ffmpeg people are kinda awesome. Implemented google's "patent-free" VP8 in 1000 lines of code, thanks to vp@having so much in common with h264 ;)21:09
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trumeeN900 uses libvorbis or ffvorbis?21:10
trumeemedia player i mean.21:10
timelessdon't you mean vorbis?21:10
SpeedEvilRandom. Does anyone happen to know how to go from flash video to mpeg/avi or something with ffmpeg? I do ffmpeg file.flv -o test.mpg or whatever, and it gets upset due to completely screwed timestamps on the video21:11
SpeedEvilffplay plays it fine.21:11
trumeeThe stream is coded into vorbis, but about the decoder in N900?21:11
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ShadowJKtimeless, no I mean vp8 is similar to h26421:11
ShadowJKvorbis is audio and vp8 is video, they share almost 0 code21:12
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keriois there something that brings up the tracker somehow?21:14
keriobecause i bet the slow transfer speeds via wifi are because of that fucker21:14
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SpeedEvilWhat speeds d oyou get?21:17
SpeedEvilI get ~1.5M/s21:17
nox-heh yeah i had to replace a html tree with a zipfile + python httpd hack bc tracker sucked too much cpu/battery indexing the tree...21:18
nox-tracker and image-viewer probably too21:18
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kerioSpeedEvil: sftp, 300kb/s to 1mb/s21:20
keriobut yeah, i could fifo something for a python httpd on my computer, or just socat a tarball21:21
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kerioor i could upload it somewhere that's not tracked21:22
timelessor you could tell trackerd to ignore that directory21:22
timelessit is after all configurable21:22
timelessyeah, i know, it's stupid for it to be flexibl21:22
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DocScrutinizertrackerd *is* stupid21:24
DocScrutinizeror - to be precise - the way it's used on maemo is stupid21:24
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* DocScrutinizer pondering an adaequately stupid UI to configure subdirectories as noscan for tracker, plus force-scan indexing of a subtree/directory21:28
nox-image-viewer does this too i think21:28
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DocScrutinizeryes, also uses tracker aiui21:28
nox-well it didnt seem to respect tracker's noscan config too :(21:29
DocScrutinizerit's really making my a.. bleed when I see the buttons of irreco in image-viewer :-P21:29
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MohammadAG51DocScrutinizer, better than seeing world flags cause of the world cup widget21:32
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DocScrutinizertracker for conqueror of galaxy!21:32
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DocScrutinizer51MohammadAG51: I bet there's regions of this planet where a  police/military control and checking your phone would really get you into trouble with all those flags21:38
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MohammadAG51DocScrutinizer, yeah, i'm targetting all countries that participated in the world cup21:39
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DocScrutinizer51'mhm yo sucker! flag of Kuba. Take this, dirty commie'21:41
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moriartyHi! I recently bought a N900, and I'm playing around with it, but I couldn't manage to add either the extras-testing or the extras-devel repos. The app manager log (and tried comman line apt-get update too) gives me a 404 Not found http error. However, on my desktop I can access the Package and Package.gz files21:42
moriartywhat else can I try?21:42
DocScrutinizer51'look there, Cliff. he's got a Russia flag too. Bring me my winchester!'21:42
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DocScrutinizer51moriarty: check the wiki about extras-devel/testing21:44
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moriarty@DocScrutinizer: yeap, already did that21:50
DocScrutinizer"Steve, you changed the password of your phone? I want to call the kids" - "WAIT darling, it's ummm.. broken. Been broken. I changed it... yesterday" >ssh root@n900 rm -r ~user/MyDocs/.mySecretPr0n; *pfff*   -  "...the new password is..."21:50
moriarty@DocScrutinizer: the repository is set up correctly21:51
moriartythere was a similar problem reported in the forum21:51
DocScrutinizerhmm, maybe the repos are down. Happens every now and then21:51
moriartythe guy solved it by removing and readding the repo21:51
moriartyI did that as well21:51
moriartywell, no, because on my desktop it does work21:52
moriartyand I have been trying for a week21:52
moriartyI've seen that is hosted on Akamai21:53
moriartyso you get different IPs, depending on your ISP21:53
DocScrutinizerapt also does update correctly right ATM21:53
moriartyso I manually added an entry to a known good IP21:53
DocScrutinizercheck your spelling21:54
moriartyin /etc/hosts21:54
moriartyagain. I get not found21:54
moriartyI checked the spelling again and again21:54
moriartyisn't apt stroring some strange stuff somewhere21:54
DocScrutinizercan you access the URL via browser on N900? or just ping it?21:54
moriartyping yes21:55
moriartysince I get HTTP 404 error21:55
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moriartybut I will try the browser as well21:55
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nox-yeah akamai seems to have issues sometimes...  like n900 cant browse pages that pc sees from the same notwork :(21:57
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moriartyyes, and because of that I tested to see which IPs are resolved for the name21:58
moriartythey were different21:58
moriartyso I added the IP I got on my desktop21:58
moriartyand which worked for sure21:58
moriartystill to no avail21:59
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nox-stupid akamai :(22:01
moriartyok, I now tried to access with the browser
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moriartythere is it22:01
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nox-hm could you make n900 send a pc useragent string?22:02
DocScrutinizergot timeout on, so probably servers are flawed22:02
* MohammadAG51 punches X-Fade 22:02
DocScrutinizerif wiki is nonresponsive, the repos may as well22:02
nox-wiki really seems to be overworked sometimes... :(22:02
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DocScrutinizermoriarty: see and, there's not much more you can do except making sure catalogs are configured correctly in Hildon App Manager22:06
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG51: why punch X-Fade ?22:06
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moriarty@DocScrutinizer: ok, thanks for the help!22:07
moriarty@DocScrutinizer: I will keep trying22:07
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DocScrutinizermoriarty: if problems persist, check what else might interfere with general connectivity and/or with installing packages (e.g. fapman)22:09
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tybolltfapman? o_O22:11
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MohammadAG51DocScrutinizer, mind if i ask you some stuff about sed later today?22:12
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ham5where can I set it to open the month calendar when I click on the desktop widget?22:32
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* kirma wonders if there are any good books for most recent Qt releases and features coming on them, like QSharedPointer etc etc22:37
luke-jryet more evidence Qt is not C++ :p22:38
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kirmawell, OTOH C++ is a language that lacks any sort of consistent programming style that would be obvious and commonly accepted22:39
kirmawhich is IMHO a design failure of sorts for a language22:39
luke-jrno comment ☺22:40
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luke-jrmy point is simply that Qt is a new language itsefl22:40
kirmawell, at least it's not Symbian "C++" ... :I22:40
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luke-jrafter all, C++ has std::shared_ptr22:41
luke-jrif Qt was just a toolkit for C++, it wouldn't make sense to reinvent the wheel22:41
kirmabut of course it's a subset of C++ with certain kind of programming style and... would I say, "patternology" bound to a specific C++ toolkit22:41
luke-jrit's a superset of C++22:42
luke-jrQt is a language compatible with mixing C++ and C to a limited degree22:42
luke-jrjust like C++ is a language compatible with mixing C to a limited degreee22:42
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kirmaI haven't written C++ for like 14 years, but I'd like to learn at least Qt since there isn't entirely supported, up-to-date on a language that would make me interested22:42
kirmaehm, other language binding22:43
luke-jryou can write Qt without touching another language22:43
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kirmawell, let's say that I'd like to write Qt stuff with Python, but it's obvious the bindings and their support aren't really the same as "native" Qt22:44
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luke-jrta's nI mean22:45
* luke-jr stabs keyboard22:45
luke-jrthat's not what I mean22:45
luke-jrI mean you can write Qt code without using C++, Python, or any language other than Qt22:45
kirmaI actually think I jump directly to 4.7 on my attempt to learn22:46
luke-jrthen you create applications dependant on an unreleased version22:47
kirmaalthough there's not much else than the declarative/QML stuff there that really adds to average Qt stuff22:47
luke-jrmight actually be better to start with 4.5, since I'm not sure 4.6 is widely deployed yet22:47
kirmaI'm not even planning to "release" anything during couple next months22:47
kirmaand it's pretty obvious Qt 4.7 should be released in couple months22:48
luke-jrand probably never for N8x0, and maybe not for N90022:48
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kirmaI'm primarily interested of mobile platforms, anyway, although the interest is general22:48
kirmaluke-jr: at least on Qt git repos, there are branches referring to both PR1.3 and qt4.7 on the same name22:49
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luke-jrkirma: that doesn't mean Nokia will ever release it22:49
kirmaof course22:49
luke-jreven if they do, that doesn't cover N8x0 :p22:49
luke-jryeah, looks like N8x0 is still 4.522:50
kirmaabout that... I don't really care. it doesn't cover my 770 either, and I'm not cursing about it ;)22:50
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luke-jron the other hand… I doubt Maemo will be used much longer on either platform22:50
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kirmaif I'm thinking about mass deployment of actual applications, there's no need me to emotionally attach myself on N900, it's a marginal device even if it would get perfect support. for mobile Qt, it'll be existing Symbian installed base (starting from S60v3something), future S^3,4,5... and MeeGo22:52
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kirmaI believe Nokia will support rudimentary support (forget implementing your own mapping plugins on old devices and getting them on the navigator, for instance) support of 4.7 even on S60v3 devices, and probably 4.8 or whatever too22:54
kirmathey want to build a believable migration path and existing installed base for the toolkit22:55
kirma-support -support :)22:55
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luke-jrkirma: anything written for 4.5 will work with 4.6+22:55
kirmathat's also true, of course22:56
luke-jror at least that was the case pre-Nokia22:56
luke-jrI imagine still is22:56
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kirmabut there's no sign of "big launch" of Qt on Nokia handsets to be anything less than 4.722:56
luke-jralso keep in mind release does not imply used22:57
kirmaI mean, 4.7 is supported all through the product families that can even be considered in-use generation22:57
luke-jrmany operating systems released on a 3 year cycle22:57
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luke-jrso it will be up to 3 years after 4.7 is released before it gets deployed fully22:57
kirmafor that purpose, they provide Qt Easy Installer or whatever for existing Symbian devices that are not ancient22:58
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kirmaI see random UTF-8 mess in latin-1 terminal :)22:59
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DangerMausluke-jr are you familar with the accelerometre?22:59
luke-jrDangerMaus: no22:59
luke-jrkirma: it's an elipsis23:00
luke-jrkirma: for example, Debian is using Qt 4.3 still23:00
luke-jrreleased February 200923:01
luke-jr(the most recent Debian version)23:01
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kirmaoh well, these kind of limitations exist. at this point I'm not interested of them too much... in professional work, I write plain C with the C standard library, and that's pretty much it. this is at the moment hobbyist study.23:02
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DangerMausim looking for a reaon other than i broke it that everytime the phone takes a light hit such as putting it down something happens like screen minamizes or desktop edit comes on in my pocket :(23:02
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DangerMauslooking for a switch or somethimg doing this i thought of the accelerometre23:04
janiluke-jr: i belive nokia hasnt changed much how tihngs work in qt level and even then, if there is breakage, it will be trolls who make the decision,not some nokia exec.23:04
DangerMausany ideas appreciated23:04
luke-jrkirma: also, the next version of Debian (6.0) will include Qt 4.6 no matter if 4.7 is released in the meantime23:05
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kirmawell, difference between 4.6 and 4.7 is mostly related to Qt Quick/QML/declarative stuff, which isn't awfully important on desktops with conventional UIs... since QML stuff at the moment doesn't seem to represent conventional desktop UIs at all23:06
kirmaif I understood it right23:06
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janiluke-jr: and thats tells more about debian and their decisions, not what qt does or accomplishes ;)23:07
luke-jrjani: it's also good practice23:07
luke-jrjani: and Qt is useless if the version you use precludes real people using your app23:07
janiofcourse but hardly a qt's blame. allthou im sure the issue wasnt about blaming anyone23:07
luke-jrjust that it's better to use a slightly older version when possible23:08
janisome people have that sort of luxury yes ;)23:09
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alteregoHas anyone managed to get the qt4.7 toolchain to work with madde?23:37
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MohammadAG51alterego, use a proper devkit23:38
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alteregoMohammadAG51: ? Like scratchbox? :P23:40
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alteregoThink I might have found out how to get it to work ..23:43
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