| xae8koo | I was told it was fast | 00:00 |
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| trip0 | lcuk, as far as i can tell, autobuilder + meegotouch is still b0rked | 00:00 |
| luke-jr | xae8koo: it isn't. | 00:00 |
| lcuk | trip0, yeah, i just noticed, its your bug too | 00:00 |
| lcuk | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10882 | 00:00 |
| povbot | Bug 10882: libmeegotouch-dev has missing dependencies | 00:00 |
| luke-jr | the animation is fast | 00:00 |
| luke-jr | but it takes time to start | 00:00 |
| trip0 | :P | 00:00 |
| lcuk | :) glad you care enough to try | 00:00 |
| trip0 | lcuk, well, i want to run my app on my phone ;) | 00:00 |
| lcuk | there are rumblings occuring anywa | 00:00 |
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| lcuk | will keep that bug on my list and update it asap | 00:01 |
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| lcuk | trip0, what have you written? | 00:01 |
| trip0 | lcuk, an obd-II app | 00:01 |
| lcuk | and have you looked over the other meegotouch apps on the gitorious | 00:01 |
| lcuk | from meego itself? | 00:01 |
| trip0 | no, not yet | 00:01 |
| lcuk | oh nice, cool | 00:02 |
| trip0 | well, other than the ones i work on | 00:02 |
| lcuk | what have you written it in? native qt | 00:02 |
| lcuk | or using one of the other things | 00:02 |
| trip0 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=csIKNDOCPZI | 00:02 |
| lcuk | qml etc | 00:02 |
| trip0 | i wrote that in qt+mtf | 00:02 |
| jacekowski | trip0: where do you get all data? | 00:03 |
| trip0 | jacekowski, through an obd-ii scantool | 00:04 |
| jacekowski | using host mode stuff? | 00:04 |
| jacekowski | or some kind of magic? | 00:04 |
| trip0 | jacekowski, magic | 00:04 |
| trip0 | it uses nobdy | 00:04 |
| trip0 | which supports bluetooth | 00:04 |
| trip0 | or tcp over wifi | 00:04 |
| trip0 | (or the internet) | 00:04 |
| lcuk | trip0, have you tested whether your app can build on meego itself (ie have you got an rpm as well as a deb for it) | 00:05 |
| lcuk | and have you poked lbt with the source location | 00:06 |
| lcuk | i know how much he will like to try new code through obs ;) | 00:06 |
| trip0 | lcuk, it builds on my local system. it should also build on meego | 00:06 |
| trip0 | but i have yet to try it | 00:06 |
| trip0 | i'm hooking up with the obs now | 00:06 |
| trip0 | to try more | 00:06 |
| lcuk | cool, well I have left myself another reminder for monday | 00:06 |
| trip0 | in my case, meegobd will connect to nobdy which will connect over tcp/ip to another nobdy instance on an in-vehicle machine which logs and does automation and stuff | 00:07 |
| lcuk | cool, you have seen the ivi instance preview? | 00:08 |
| trip0 | yep | 00:08 |
| lcuk | not sure if that supports meegotouch yet tho? | 00:08 |
| trip0 | it should | 00:08 |
| trip0 | the handsfree dialer is written in mtf | 00:08 |
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| trip0 | at least that was my understanding... | 00:08 |
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| lcuk | understanding is good :) | 00:09 |
| trip0 | maybe the dev swapped out mtf for gtk.. | 00:09 |
| trip0 | but i understood it to be a fork of the handset dialer | 00:09 |
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| trip0 | right now i'm running meego handset | 00:09 |
| lcuk | yeah | 00:09 |
| lbt | lcuk: trip0 has a fresh passwd | 00:09 |
| lcuk | \o/ | 00:09 |
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| trip0 | lbt, has a web frontend? | 00:16 |
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| * lbt doesn't have a web frontend, no | 00:17 | |
| trip0 | re obs* | 00:17 |
| * lbt has an irc frontend | 00:17 | |
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| lcuk | lbt BUILD GITURL http://github.com/lcuk/libliqbase@portrait_test http://github.com/lcuk/liqcalc | 00:19 |
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| lcuk | lbt /? | 00:19 |
| trip0 | lbt, you have an irc frontend to obs? | 00:20 |
| lbt | mmm? | 00:20 |
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| * lcuk thinks irc bots for build machines would be cool | 00:20 | |
| trip0 | nice! | 00:20 |
| trip0 | :P | 00:20 |
| lbt | no.... | 00:20 |
| * lbt has an irc frontend | 00:20 | |
| trip0 | hehe | 00:20 |
| lbt | lcuk: BOSS ... seriously | 00:21 |
| * trip0 searches for wiki on ocs usage | 00:21 | |
| lcuk | you shall have to give me a guided tour over beer sometime soon david | 00:21 |
| trip0 | i can never remember the args for that thing | 00:22 |
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| trip0 | lbt, stuff that's built on the obs for maemo gets added to extras-devel? | 00:23 |
| lbt | trip0: not yet | 00:23 |
| lbt | soon | 00:23 |
| trip0 | and the obs doesn't have a web frontend? | 00:23 |
| trip0 | oops, found it :) | 00:24 |
| MohammadAG51 | DocScrutinizer, as an engineer, i need your help | 00:24 |
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| SpeedEvil | MohammadAG51: ? | 00:27 |
| * SpeedEvil plays an engineer on the internet. | 00:27 | |
| MohammadAG51 | nothing n900 related :P | 00:27 |
| MohammadAG51 | samsung phone | 00:27 |
| lcuk | MohammadAG51, can I have the makefile mods you made to libliqbase for x86 please :) I want to have a look at something | 00:28 |
| trip0 | lbt, obs doesn't have access to the extras-devel repo? | 00:28 |
| SpeedEvil | I lurk on ##electronics a lot, and can design struff. | 00:28 |
| lbt | trip0: no, not really | 00:28 |
| SpeedEvil | MohammadAG51: Or wander over to ##electronics maybe. | 00:28 |
| trip0 | oh poo | 00:28 |
| trip0 | nothing provides debhelper >= 7, nothing provides libmeegotouch-dev | 00:28 |
| MohammadAG51 | lcuk, yeah sure, i'll send them over in a bit mate | 00:28 |
| trip0 | :( | 00:29 |
| MohammadAG51 | just need to fix this phone | 00:29 |
| MohammadAG51 | it's broken either wya | 00:29 |
| MohammadAG51 | way* | 00:29 |
| lbt | trip0: heh... fixable somehow | 00:29 |
| lbt | lcuk: be glad too ... seen our latest slides? http://wiki.meego.com/Infrastructure/BOSS/Design | 00:29 |
| SpeedEvil | MohammadAG51: In what way did you break it? | 00:29 |
| lbt | anyhow... 'night all | 00:29 |
| lcuk | "Nokia OBS" | 00:29 |
| MohammadAG51 | SpeedEvil, i didn't, it's a friend's | 00:29 |
| lcuk | NOBS? | 00:29 |
| lcuk | the acronyms around this part of computing make me facepalm everysingle day | 00:30 |
| SpeedEvil | MohammadAG51: In what way did he/she/it break it? | 00:30 |
| MohammadAG51 | charging base | 00:30 |
| MohammadAG51 | and a ribbon was disconnected when i checked it | 00:30 |
| MohammadAG51 | it's the same as the one in the N900's slider | 00:30 |
| MohammadAG51 | by the looks of it | 00:30 |
| * lcuk wishes every group name was checked for facepalmyness | 00:30 | |
| timeless | lcuk: fwiw, i got your ping | 00:30 |
| timeless | i'm certain i don't care before monday | 00:31 |
| timeless | i'm uncertain i care until a manager says "oh, we should do something" | 00:31 |
| lcuk | timeless, \o | 00:31 |
| rm_you | lol timeless | 00:31 |
| timeless | i'm pretty sure from memory that this is "someone else's fault" and "i more or less told them not to do something like that" | 00:31 |
| timeless | assuming this is the thing i think it is | 00:32 |
| jani | lol, that sounds like my wednesday after getting back from holidays | 00:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG51: let's take it to mhd | 00:32 |
| timeless | heh | 00:32 |
| trumee | timeless:hey | 00:32 |
| timeless | jani: my summer vacation is coming up in september | 00:32 |
| timeless | well, plus a quick weekend trip at the end of august | 00:32 |
| timeless | so i'm getting close to the "talk to the calendar" | 00:33 |
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| trumee | timeless: a dev from collabora did some siptraces on my system. it seems that the gstreamer is buggy on N900 | 00:33 |
| lcuk | you flying stateside for hols? | 00:33 |
| timeless | that said, i'm hungry | 00:33 |
| trip0 | me too | 00:33 |
| timeless | lcuk: British Isles | 00:33 |
| * trip0 goes searching for food | 00:33 | |
| timeless | trumee: cool | 00:33 |
| jani | i only had 1½ wee off | 00:33 |
| timeless | that's progress | 00:33 |
| timeless | good progress too | 00:33 |
| lcuk | timeless, cool, if you come up North give us a shout and can go for beerage :) | 00:34 |
| timeless | thanks for the update. now where's my wallet? | 00:34 |
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| trumee | timeless: but the dev doesnt have time-line to fix it yet. | 00:34 |
| timeless | lcuk: lemme see if i have a map | 00:34 |
| trumee | timeless: so it is going to suck until then | 00:34 |
| timeless | that's normal | 00:34 |
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| trumee | timeless: what i am surprised about that why there are a few of us only (going by bug report 10388) affected by this. | 00:35 |
| timeless | i don't think sip is used quite as often as you think | 00:35 |
| timeless | or in the ways you think | 00:35 |
| trumee | timeless: yes, that might be the reason | 00:35 |
| timeless | i do know that nokia's IT complained about the n900 SIP stack | 00:35 |
| trumee | timeless: what was it about? | 00:36 |
| timeless | they specifically did not sponsor it as a "use this as a nokia sip client" | 00:36 |
| timeless | i don't remember the details, nor was i in a position to understand them <= I'm a browser engineer, not a SIP mechanic! | 00:36 |
| jani | and they gave Really Good headsets instead =) | 00:36 |
| trumee | timeless: symbian has a good sip client, wonder why it wasnt used in maemo | 00:36 |
| timeless | they recently started giving out MBP adapters | 00:37 |
| jani | i think i've had already 4 of those and going on fifth pair | 00:37 |
| timeless | so you could plug in headsets to your Mac's | 00:37 |
| jani | yeah, there was a plastic bag ducttaped on the it door =)) | 00:37 |
| timeless | yeah, that was cute, i picked one up, as did sp3000 | 00:37 |
| timeless | sp3000 explained that it was ~designed for macs~ | 00:37 |
| trumee | timeless: you are the guy who is going to bring flash 10.1 then :p | 00:37 |
| timeless | trumee: nah, but there's a team w/ it who would like to. they're trying, and i believe them, and I wish them luck | 00:38 |
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| luke-jr | timeless: you just got quoted I think | 00:38 |
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| timeless | luke-jr: this isn't a commitment | 00:39 |
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| luke-jr | timeless: but it's more than the nothing they had before :P | 00:39 |
| timeless | merely a "there's a flash team[public knowledge]" and they would like to ship 10.1 for n900 [not a great secret] | 00:39 |
| timeless | if you were a dev and had done something cool, wouldn't you like to share? | 00:39 |
| timeless | that's all | 00:39 |
| luke-jr | :p | 00:39 |
| luke-jr | just saying | 00:40 |
| timeless | whether you actually *can* share is a totally different question | 00:40 |
| timeless | sure. just explaining. it really doesn't mean anything will happen | 00:40 |
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| trumee | luke-jr: i guess it is a matter of time. once meego has flash, it could be brought back to N900 | 00:41 |
| trumee | timeless: do you know what wireless router is used for N900 development? | 00:41 |
| trip0 | lbt, how much effort is involved in creating a obs extras-devel target? | 00:41 |
| luke-jr | trumee: bad logic | 00:41 |
| luke-jr | trumee: there is no reason to think MeeGo apps will be compatible with Maemo | 00:42 |
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| trip0 | cuz much of my stuff depends on stuff in extras-devel | 00:42 |
| trumee | luke-jr: if the source is open and the hardware is similar, shouldnt it be possible? | 00:42 |
| luke-jr | trumee: the source is never open | 00:43 |
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| trip0 | hmm.. | 00:43 |
| timeless | someone would have to tell me when the meego thingy is and where | 00:43 |
| timeless | it isn't in my calendar, and nokia and sponsorships = pain | 00:43 |
| timeless | totally not worth my effort | 00:43 |
| * trip0 wonders if he can add libmtf to his home repo | 00:43 | |
| jani | timeless: conference you mean ? | 00:43 |
| timeless | yeah | 00:43 |
| jani | its in dublin .. | 00:43 |
| trumee | timeless: so any idea about wireless router? | 00:44 |
| timeless | nope | 00:44 |
| jani | but i dont remember the date :D | 00:44 |
| timeless | i think we have ~4 primary routers floating around | 00:44 |
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| trumee | timeless: i was hoping i could buy a router and use sip with it (to be close to dev team) | 00:44 |
| jani | i had some grand plans to go there too.. just wondering if i could get my linemanager to pay for it. | 00:45 |
| timeless | there's a guy Patrik (?) | 00:45 |
| timeless | i think he used to have a public presence | 00:45 |
| trumee | timeless: ? | 00:45 |
| timeless | Patrik Flykt | 00:45 |
| timeless | he's a public figure, who works on the wifi stack | 00:46 |
| jani | timeless: Nov. 15-17, 2010 in Dublin, Ireland. | 00:46 |
| trumee | timeless: ah ok. | 00:46 |
| timeless | ah, that's after i'd be back, i think | 00:46 |
| timeless | my trip ends sometime after oct1 | 00:47 |
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| timeless | anyway, food hunting time | 00:48 |
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| GAN900 | timeless, only a little. | 00:50 |
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| GAN900 | i.e., a few bug comments and a dozen emails to the list. | 00:50 |
| timeless | it's public enough that i'm willing to give out his name :) | 00:50 |
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| timeless | hrm, i think my n800 is getting gtalked.. | 00:51 |
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| timeless | that was unexpected.. | 00:52 |
| timeless | Can't perform operation. | 00:52 |
| timeless | Memory full | 00:52 |
| timeless | oh, that's mighty helpful | 00:52 |
| * timeless thanks n800 | 00:52 | |
| * jani sees nightmares about "memory full" errors in n8X0 | 00:53 | |
| timeless | so, i gues i should take my n800 offline so it stops eating my gtalk? | 00:53 |
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| timeless | i'll pull it up in logs :) | 00:54 |
| timeless | imagine if this were jabber and my n800 was eating them? :) | 00:54 |
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| timeless | but triggered a reboot, hence leaving the n800 as the winning gtalker | 00:55 |
| lcuk | timeless, leeds is the closest though | 00:56 |
| lcuk | infact, it doesn't matter much | 00:56 |
| lcuk | i will see you in dublin | 00:56 |
| timeless | please don't assume i'll make meego-dublin | 00:57 |
| timeless | that only happens if someone helps me through the nokia-conference hoops | 00:57 |
| timeless | which are ewaytoomucheffort | 00:57 |
| lcuk | meh, manchester is an hour away by car i will come over for non beer stuff then | 00:58 |
| rm_you | lcuk, you going to meego-dublin? | 00:59 |
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| luke-jr | what is dublin | 01:00 |
| luke-jr | :p | 01:00 |
| lcuk | should be | 01:00 |
| rm_you | i wonder if there are youth hostels i could stay in | 01:01 |
| timeless | there should be | 01:01 |
| rm_you | probably somewhere | 01:01 |
| timeless | i might do that | 01:01 |
| rm_you | yeah | 01:01 |
| rm_you | i think i can afford the tickets and get the vacation time set up | 01:01 |
| lcuk | rm_you, if you find the info, could you holler on #meego and get them on the wiki etc | 01:01 |
| lcuk | (may already be there?)_ | 01:01 |
| * trip0 builds mtf for maemo on obs | 01:02 | |
| trip0 | :) | 01:02 |
| timeless | mtf? | 01:02 |
| trip0 | meegotouch | 01:02 |
| trip0 | ...framework | 01:03 |
| trumee | ah, meego is going to have a working syncml | 01:03 |
| lcuk | frogs | 01:03 |
| trumee | anybody ever got opensync working with N900? | 01:03 |
| trip0 | lbt, expansion errors all over the place | 01:04 |
| trip0 | what repo am i supposed to build against that works? | 01:04 |
| trip0 | i get stuff like "nothing provides automake >= 1:1.11," | 01:04 |
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| jani | trip0: for libmeegotouch ? | 01:05 |
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| trip0 | jani: well, this is for contextkit, which libmeegotouch needs | 01:06 |
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| trip0 | libmeegotouch will come if I can get these deps built | 01:06 |
| jani | aahk ok, i was thinking someone had added automake to libmeegotouch .. | 01:06 |
| trip0 | oh, no. :P | 01:06 |
| trip0 | that would be funny | 01:07 |
| trip0 | and silly | 01:07 |
| jani | and someone would have gotten a angry mail on monday morning. | 01:08 |
| trip0 | :P | 01:08 |
| trip0 | hmm | 01:11 |
| trip0 | what's the package in maemo to give you build-essential? | 01:11 |
| trip0 | and what repo do i need to add? | 01:12 |
| lcuk | maemo sdk + tools | 01:12 |
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| SpeedEvil | Dammit. | 01:12 |
| trip0 | lcuk, i want to build native on my n900 | 01:12 |
| SpeedEvil | I need a flying n900. | 01:12 |
| SpeedEvil | Or a minion to fetch me mine. | 01:13 |
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| SpeedEvil | Or alternatively, a flying sofa. | 01:13 |
| trip0 | lol | 01:13 |
| lcuk | trip0, and I was telling you | 01:13 |
| trip0 | oh | 01:13 |
| lcuk | build-essential takes about 80mb atm | 01:13 |
| lcuk | http://repository.maemo.org/#sdk_repositories | 01:13 |
| lcuk | some of it needs optifying or adding to the boottime optify | 01:14 |
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| GAN900 | rm_you, you gonna apply for sponsorship? *eg* | 01:14 |
| lcuk | build-essential works and it can happily make simple c and c++ apps | 01:14 |
| trip0 | lcuk, is this going to clog up my root partition? | 01:14 |
| SpeedEvil | trip0: yes | 01:14 |
| lcuk | trip0, yes | 01:14 |
| trip0 | yay, all i need is simple c/c++ compilation | 01:15 |
| SpeedEvil | trip0: I recommend copying / onto /home/user/data/ or somewhere. | 01:15 |
| SpeedEvil | trip0: Then chrooting into that | 01:15 |
| trip0 | hrm | 01:15 |
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| lcuk | will a standard cp / /home/user/data work? i expect no? | 01:16 |
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| trip0 | rootfs has 58152 free :( | 01:16 |
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| * lcuk puts build-essential on at first, and I have a lot more stuff on now | 01:17 | |
| * trip0 starts uninstalling crap | 01:17 | |
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| * lcuk added /usr/share/include to /etc/maemo-optify-auto-opt.conf | 01:19 | |
| trip0 | what is this optify you speak? | 01:19 |
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| trip0 | root is only 256mb? | 01:20 |
| trip0 | wth | 01:20 |
| lcuk | http://maemo.gitorious.org/maemo-af/maemo-optify-boottime | 01:20 |
| lcuk | yes | 01:20 |
| lcuk | http://maemo.gitorious.org/maemo-af/maemo-optify-boottime/blobs/master/maemo-optify-auto-opt.conf | 01:20 |
| trip0 | hrm | 01:21 |
| lcuk | specifically | 01:21 |
| trip0 | what's it do? | 01:21 |
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| lcuk | moves out folders from rootfs to a subfolder in /opt | 01:22 |
| lcuk | and symlinks the folder | 01:22 |
| luke-jr | lcuk: why not /usr/share ? | 01:22 |
| trip0 | oh cool | 01:23 |
| trip0 | is in extras-devel? | 01:23 |
| lcuk | no trip0, its on the filesystem since pr1.2 | 01:23 |
| trip0 | oh, cool | 01:23 |
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| Lateralus | I've used Mobility a good deal in the past three months | 01:33 |
| Lateralus | dang | 01:33 |
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| Lateralus | this buffer was scrolled way back in its history, I was responding to a conversation from a day or so ago | 01:34 |
| timeless | heh | 01:34 |
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| DrIDK | hi ! we cannot upload : | 01:40 |
| DrIDK | error: unpack failed: unpacker exited with error code | 01:40 |
| DrIDK | [00:29] <yannux> To ssh://drop.maemo.org/git/vlc-remote | 01:40 |
| DrIDK | [00:29] <yannux> ! [remote rejected] master -> master (n/a (unpacker error)) | 01:40 |
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| crashanddie | DrIDK: one word: lol | 02:32 |
| DrIDK | crashanddie: ... :( | 02:32 |
| cheriff | hello, is there somewhere online I can download the stock zImage kernel file? all i can find is the power-users package | 02:33 |
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| cheriff | and google seems full of overclockers when i try search for it :) | 02:34 |
| aziwoqpd | you could use flasher to extract it from the fiasco firmware image | 02:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | exactly | 02:34 |
| cheriff | um yeah .. lets assume its to late for that :( | 02:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | only location to find it afaik | 02:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | err how? | 02:35 |
| cheriff | droped a modified one over the top | 02:35 |
| cheriff | (as provided by a 3rd party) | 02:35 |
| aziwoqpd | flasher does the extraction on your computer not on the phone | 02:35 |
| aziwoqpd | its some command line option | 02:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | no idea what you're talking bout | 02:35 |
| cheriff | i was given a replacement, and it running that now. (this is experimental stuff, for work) | 02:36 |
| cheriff | however its also a nice phone - so i'd like to revert, is all. | 02:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | download fiasco*COMBINED* from Nokia site, use flasher to extract zimage | 02:36 |
| cheriff | oh i see. | 02:36 |
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| cheriff | for sume reason i though your meant from the fiasco image on the device | 02:37 |
| cheriff | thanks | 02:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | yw | 02:37 |
| tybollt | iw | 02:38 |
| trip0 | ew | 02:38 |
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| cheriff | thanks for the tip, got it back all good now | 03:03 |
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| rm_you | GAN900: hadn't planned on it | 03:17 |
| rm_you | GAN900: I haven't done ANYTHING in the past like five months | 03:18 |
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| khristi80 | hello | 05:10 |
| khristi80 | i need some help | 05:11 |
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| khristi80 | any1 here? | 05:12 |
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| tank-man | what? | 05:14 |
| khristi80 | i have a prob | 05:15 |
| khristi80 | with my nok n900 | 05:15 |
| tank-man | i wish i had the problem of owning a n900 :) | 05:15 |
| SpeedEvil | khristi80: What's the problem? | 05:16 |
| khristi80 | shortly.....memory device storage unsupported/memory card corrupted | 05:17 |
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| khristi80 | i've had a problem with my usb first....the phine was not charging anymore.....i've sent it to repair....and when i've got it back i've had this prob | 05:19 |
| khristi80 | any help? | 05:19 |
| rm_you | Anyone know what APN I need to set for Tmobile in the US? | 05:19 |
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| psycho_oreos | khristi80, is it formatted as fat32? the memory card | 05:21 |
| SpeedEvil | khristi80: is this when you insert a microSD card? | 05:21 |
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| khristi80 | i don't know if is fat 32 | 05:23 |
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| khristi80 | i've told u...i've sent my phone to a repair centre bcs it was not charging anymore....and when i got it back and switched on....it appeared me device storage format unsupported | 05:24 |
| khristi80 | and when i check on settings/memory it appears me memory card corrupted | 05:25 |
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| SpeedEvil | Is there a memory card in there? | 05:25 |
| TermanaN900 | good morning | 05:25 |
| khristi80 | no....the prob is that the device memory is corrupted....if i go to file manager it doesn't appear me nothing | 05:26 |
| khristi80 | and if i type df -h on xterm it doesn't show me the 32gib memory | 05:27 |
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| SpeedEvil | khristi80: hmm. | 05:28 |
| khristi80 | i have flashed the device....with both fiasco&emmc and the problem is still not solved | 05:28 |
| SpeedEvil | khristi80: 3-4 people here have reported that the internal flash SD card has died. | 05:28 |
| khristi80 | if i try to mount it with 'mount /dev/mmcblk0p1 /home/user' and run df -h the memory appears but is still corrupted and my file managare doesn't see it | 05:30 |
| SpeedEvil | cat /proc/partitions? | 05:30 |
| LiraNuna | <rm_you> Anyone know what APN I need to set for Tmobile in the US? | 05:30 |
| LiraNuna | epc.tmobile.com | 05:30 |
| luke-jr | LiraNuna: only for monthly plans | 05:31 |
| luke-jr | hiptop.t-mobile.com for Hiptop/Prepaid | 05:31 |
| SpeedEvil | http://pastebin.com/nU2jWxAh shows here khristi80 | 05:31 |
| rm_you | i have the monthly plan with the 9.99 internet | 05:31 |
| khristi80 | and after that if i run rm -rf /home/user and after that reboot the device is working like before but on my next reboot or switch off/on the problem appears again | 05:31 |
| luke-jr | I have the $1/day data-only prepaid :P | 05:31 |
| LiraNuna | oh, isn't that one not working for data anymore? | 05:32 |
| SpeedEvil | khristi80: http://pastebin.com/aNPqB323 - sfdisk -l also | 05:32 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | rm -rf /home/user ??? o.O | 05:32 |
| LiraNuna | the voicestream02 one | 05:32 |
| SpeedEvil | khristi80: Can you pastebin stuff from it? | 05:33 |
| luke-jr | LiraNuna: it works only if you have that plan :p | 05:33 |
| LiraNuna | ah | 05:33 |
| luke-jr | though ports 80 and 443 are blocked | 05:33 |
| LiraNuna | heh | 05:33 |
| luke-jr | a little iptables magic, ssh, and transocks, and that's easily bypassed | 05:33 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | tbh it's highly unlikely the device will correctly boot after rm -rf /home/user | 05:34 |
| LiraNuna | with a lot of overhead | 05:34 |
| luke-jr | LiraNuna: lot? not really | 05:34 |
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| LiraNuna | network has to pipe through a server | 05:34 |
| luke-jr | in any case, it's the only realistic option for T-Mobile if you value your privacy | 05:34 |
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| luke-jr | LiraNuna: only those ports | 05:34 |
| luke-jr | which isn't when it matters | 05:35 |
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| luke-jr | SIP and such aren't blocked | 05:35 |
| LiraNuna | anyone here have experience with multi-threaded OGL on maemo5? | 05:37 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | khristi80: I suggest another full reflash, correct sequence eMMC first, then rootfs, without booting in between | 05:37 |
| khristi80 | i have done that...but nothing's changed# | 05:38 |
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| khristi80 | if i run cat /proc/partitions i get this message major minor #blocks name | 05:40 |
| khristi80 | 179 0 1932164 mmcblk0 | 05:40 |
| khristi80 | 179 1 1931256 mmcblk0p1 | 05:40 |
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| khristi80 | 179 8 31264768 mmcblk1 | 05:40 |
| khristi80 | 179 9 28315648 mmcblk1p1 | 05:41 |
| khristi80 | 179 10 2091752 mmcblk1p1 | 05:41 |
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| khristi80 | 179 11 786432 mmcblk1p3 | 05:41 |
| SpeedEvil | blk1p1 is listed twice?? | 05:41 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | that looks rather messed up | 05:41 |
| khristi80 | srry mmcblk1p2 | 05:41 |
| SpeedEvil | ah | 05:41 |
| SpeedEvil | hmm | 05:42 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | and partition is larger than whole device? | 05:42 |
| khristi80 | in settings memory i have this | 05:42 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | umm no | 05:42 |
| khristi80 | device(memory card corrupted) | 05:42 |
| khristi80 | memory for instalable applications 1.85 gb | 05:43 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | anyway, I suggest doublechecking for correct procedure and file, and redo full reflash | 05:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | and remove uSD card! | 05:43 |
| khristi80 | i have done full reflash few times and nothing's changed | 05:43 |
| khristi80 | i have done it and without sd card and the same | 05:44 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | yesyes but have you also done doublecheck? | 05:44 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | repeating same little typo over and over, or flashing same wrong image 3 times - won't help | 05:45 |
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| khristi80 | if i run now rm -rf /home/user and after that reboot....after reboot the device is working right i mean i'll have 26.98gh device and 1.85 mem4 ins app but on next reboot it returns to the same problem | 05:45 |
| khristi80 | doublecheck? | 05:45 |
| SpeedEvil | I would want to run badblocks against it. | 05:46 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | that's raqther nonsensical to do rm ~use | 05:46 |
| khristi80 | i know but after that is working till the ne | 05:47 |
| khristi80 | next reboot or switch on/off | 05:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | mhm | 05:47 |
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| DangerMaus | :) | 05:48 |
| khristi80 | i mean i can browse files and opened it....i can copy files from pc or sd card to device and the other way | 05:48 |
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| SpeedEvil | http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.39448 - somewhat offtopic. (cheap tablet android) | 05:48 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | that's not you causing that with rm, that was me sacrificing a cpu in microwave | 05:48 |
| DangerMaus | haha | 05:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | reflash correct images in correct sequence with correct procedure. then boot, check dmesg, run fsck | 05:50 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | pastebin copy of the whole procedure flashing and dmesg and fsck | 05:51 |
| khristi80 | and if run mount /dev/mmcblk0p1 /home/user/MyDocs the device memory card is still corrupted but i can browse with file manager and open images,videos&music from memory.....only i can't delete them or add something to memory because it shows me read-only | 05:51 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | also mount | 05:51 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | df -h | 05:52 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | and of course id | 05:52 |
| khristi80 | after i run the mount command and after that df -h as result it shows me the memory .....but the memory is still corrupted | 05:53 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | rm -rf ~user will erase MyDocs as well aiui | 05:53 |
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| khristi80 | i know that....but if i run rm -rf /user/home and reboot / | 05:55 |
| khristi80 | when my phone restarts is working normal.....until next reboot or switch on/off | 05:56 |
| SpeedEvil | khristi80: I would try mkfs.vfat /dev/whateverrmydocsis | 05:56 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | eMMC should manage bad blocks automatically. If you get fs corrupted msg you either flashed wrong image or in wrong way, or you managed to corrupt fs after flashing | 05:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | and it's highly uninteresting if phone 'works norma' after erasing everything in eMMC (which btw isn't likely) | 05:57 |
| khristi80 | i've told you when i got my device from repair centre(bcs was not charging anymore)....when i switch on the device i've got this prob | 05:57 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | mhm, so what? | 05:58 |
| khristi80 | i've flashed right...i know how to do that | 05:58 |
| SpeedEvil | rm /home/user/* will triggerrr some one-time process | 05:58 |
| SpeedEvil | To populate /home/user with a template | 05:59 |
| SpeedEvil | If /home/user/ fails to mount, then you get a stub on the rootfs IIRC | 05:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | khristi80: fine. now do you suggest we all do a rm -rf ~user so we can reproduce your situation and compare? | 06:00 |
| khristi80 | no ...of course | 06:00 |
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| khristi80 | i know that is odd ....and that's not a solution.....but i thought it might me a hint to solve the prob# | 06:01 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | then if you refuse to create a somewhat standard system on your device (and document that) I don't see how I can help | 06:01 |
| khristi80 | i'm not an expert in linux...just a beginner | 06:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | that's why I suggested you pastebin copy of the flashing screen commands and output | 06:03 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | there might be an indication of something going wrong that you are not aware of | 06:04 |
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| khristi80 | well i will try but when i run the flashing commands it opens in a 2nd window and when the flashing is ended the window is closing and i can't copy&paste | 06:05 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | mhm, first indication there's something odd | 06:07 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | this should not happen | 06:07 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | so seems we need to scrutinize the steps until flashing is starting, as there' already something not ok until then | 06:10 |
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| trip0 | maybe i'm wrong, but it seems like there's a lot of anti-nokia sentiment on talk.maemo.org | 06:15 |
| trip0 | and what people don't seem to understand is, nokia is run by people that are answerable to stock holders | 06:15 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | mhm | 06:15 |
| trip0 | and stockholders want something that competes with apple and google | 06:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | Except these people are also customers. | 06:15 |
| trip0 | and maemo5 doesn't | 06:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | And their opinion counts too. | 06:16 |
| trip0 | a little | 06:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ha | 06:16 |
| trip0 | but the stockholders probably want customers who don't even know what a forum is | 06:16 |
| rm_you | tmobile doesnt knoiw WTF my phone is so they just can't help me with anything it seems | 06:16 |
| trip0 | want to target* customers... | 06:16 |
| rm_you | calling back to get a different tech | 06:16 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | well, when khristi80 comes back | 06:17 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | oops | 06:17 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | khristi80: | 06:17 |
| trip0 | i bet most of the community came from the n8xx years | 06:17 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | your few lines pasted in query before server kicked you for flooding - they look rather outdated | 06:17 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | flasher2.5.2 and SW version in image: RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.19-1_PR_MR0 are not the most recent images | 06:19 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | or tools | 06:19 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | Image 'kernel', size 1705 kB Version 2.6.28-20101501+0m5 I do not know where from that printout is, but it's also outdated | 06:20 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | afaik | 06:21 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | hmm 10.2010.19-1 seems ok though | 06:23 |
| khristi80 | rx-51_2009se_10.2010.19-1_pr_mr0 it's the latest maemo5 global release | 06:23 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | yep, got fooled by the 2009se part | 06:24 |
| khristi80 | and the flasher is 3.5 but i don't know why it appears when i'm flashing the image v2.5.2 | 06:26 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | anyway on N900 I got flasher-2.8.2 and on linux desktop I even thought it's 3.x | 06:26 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | hmm will get disconnected, bbl | 06:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | oh, not yet | 06:27 |
| khristi80 | and i have a frien who had a prob with his nok rebooting all the time and i have used the same image and emmc to flash it and it wak ok after that...his phonw is working well now | 06:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | so why is it opening another window while flashing? can you paste the cmdline here please? | 06:28 |
| khristi80 | first i use flasher-3. | 06:29 |
| khristi80 | first i use flasher-3.5 -F maemo.bin -f | 06:29 |
| khristi80 | and then flasher-3.5 -F vanilla.bin -f -R | 06:29 |
| khristi80 | i have renamed the files after i download them | 06:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm, you should flash vanilla first, but whatever, if you do NOT boot in between it doesn't matter | 06:30 |
| khristi80 | i have done it and like that....vanilla first and then fiasco | 06:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I can't see how those commands are opening a new window that closes immediately after flasher finishes | 06:30 |
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| khristi80 | i'm running win7... | 06:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | ooh | 06:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | so even more we need a proper feedback from flasher about what has actually happened. I don't know about windows, but to me it seemed there should as well not open a new window. These commands, when entered to a "doswindow" started with admin rights, should run quite normal and print to the doswindow | 06:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | iirc it's been something like "click 'execute command', enter 'cmd', press shift-enter" | 06:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | but I'll happily hand over to anybody with some real win7 experience, to sort that out. No windows here | 06:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | as long as you can't read what flasher is printing for diagnostic output, you don't know if there might be some problems during flashing, like write errors on eMMC | 06:37 |
| TermanaN900 | DocScrutinizer, i can see how it would pop up windows that immediately close | 06:38 |
| TermanaN900 | Its Windows, wtf else do you expect? | 06:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | TermanaN900: eh? | 06:39 |
| TermanaN900 | nevermind :P | 06:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | haha | 06:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | btw, those two commands above look fishy to me anyway. Aren't they supposed to have different parameters for rootfs and eMMC (except the -R which could go away for both) | 06:41 |
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| khristi80 | it's the commands from here https://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 06:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | nah, nevermind. That's been uBoot flasher that needs partition to flash, as parameter | 06:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | not maemo | 06:43 |
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| khristi80 | someone told me that it might be a hardware fault....but i don't think so | 06:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | if it doesn't work after a correct full flash then it must be a hardware fault | 06:58 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | and for all the quotes from your device it seems there *is* a uSD card inserted. I suggest to remove that, to keep things simple | 06:59 |
| khristi80 | and i forgot to mention that my computer sees my phone memory | 06:59 |
| khristi80 | i've reflashed and without sd card and nothing's changed | 07:00 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | mhm, eMMC or uSD, or even both? | 07:00 |
| khristi80 | em | 07:01 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | what means nothing's changed? what exatly is the problem | 07:01 |
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| khristi80 | i mean even if i remove the sd card and i reflash fiasco&emmc i still get memory card corrupted | 07:02 |
| khristi80 | i have only the 1.88gb for instalable apllications | 07:02 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | where does that show up? | 07:02 |
| khristi80 | in settings/memory | 07:02 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | with uSD removed before booting? | 07:03 |
| khristi80 | and when i turn the device on it appears on screen device storage format unsupported# | 07:03 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | hmm, we need the output of flasher | 07:04 |
| khristi80 | yeah...but i can't get it | 07:04 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | I neve heard about that problem | 07:05 |
| khristi80 | it's strange that if i run now(with memory card corrupted)in xterm rm -rf /home/user and then reboot ...after the phone reboots the phone is working properly....i mean the memory shows up | 07:06 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | so - as mentioned above - try to sort that out | 07:06 |
| khristi80 | how? | 07:06 |
| * DocScrutinizer51 sighs and turns away. Whoever told you to delete user home, please ask him to provide further help | 07:07 | |
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| psycho_oreos | is it just me or is chinook's sources stuffed? | 07:12 |
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| DangerMaus | hey docscrutinizer its there one comprehensive list of pkgs yet? or rather what is in Dev? with a short discription if not obvious? | 07:33 |
| ieatlint | ok, c++ q: "typedef enum { VALUE_A, VALUE_B, VALUE_C } valTypes; valTypes types = VALUE_A; types |= VALUE_C;" ... why does the last statement give me a "invalid conversion from 'int' to 'valTypes'" ? | 07:39 |
| ieatlint | coming mostly from C where that kind of statement is good, enum is essentially an int | 07:39 |
| ieatlint | but when assigning a value from the enum to the enum... wtf.. | 07:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | enum | enum = int ? | 07:40 |
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| ieatlint | well, i'm doing enum = enum | enum | 07:41 |
| * ieatlint smashes something | 07:42 | |
| DocScrutinizer | enum = enum | enum - that doesn't make sense to me anyway | 07:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | however, enum | enum is most likely an int, and for sure not the int representing a valid value of enum type | 07:43 |
| ieatlint | i'm using it for flags | 07:43 |
| ieatlint | hmm.. in C++ the enum must hold a predefined value? | 07:44 |
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| DocScrutinizer | enum is a special int, with "0, 1, 2, 3..." replaced by "bla, fasl, burp, xyz, ..." | 07:44 |
| ieatlint | yes | 07:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | and restricted in valid values to the number of enum | 07:45 |
| ieatlint | so i did typedef enum { unknown, eep, blah = 1<<5 }; | 07:45 |
| ieatlint | then i want to do type = eep; and set the flag blah | 07:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | so VALUE_B | VALUE_C is 1 | 2 = 3 | 07:45 |
| ieatlint | so type = eep | blah; | 07:45 |
| ieatlint | for instance | 07:45 |
| DangerMaus | grrr forgot charger running a lappie with realy long battery to charge phone dont have charger for that either now gotta fig how to use this a modem for that | 07:46 |
| ieatlint | so yeah, c++ requires that the enum only contain a pre-set value... c allows me to set values that are undefined | 07:46 |
| ieatlint | and then test with (type & blah) | 07:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | quite obviously 3 isn't a valid value for typedef enum { VALUE_A, VALUE_B, VALUE_C } valTypes | 07:46 |
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| ieatlint | ok, so i need to just set types... ok, whatever, it won't ruin my tests | 07:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | and as that doesn't make sense at all for type enum, the result of enum | enum is an int | 07:47 |
| ieatlint | i'm used to enum supporting int as an assignment is the issue | 07:48 |
| ieatlint | instead of just enum | 07:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm, that's raping the type paradigma | 07:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | you probably want #define VALUE_A 0; #define value_b 1; int types; | 07:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | or use a set ;-) | 07:50 |
| ieatlint | yeah, i think i do... the enum is causing unnecessary headache | 07:50 |
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| ieatlint | setting the dummy types didn't fix it... it seems comparing enums at all in c++ causes an int | 07:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | enum is an enumeration, not a quantity of flags | 07:51 |
| ieatlint | so either i come up with some cast, or it just use | 07:51 |
| ieatlint | #define | 07:51 |
| ieatlint | bah, it works in c :P | 07:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | it also works in assembler :-P | 07:52 |
| ieatlint | damn high[er] level languages | 07:53 |
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| lcuk | morning \o | 11:35 |
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| Pillum | my psx doesnt work with psx4m :( | 11:37 |
| TermanaN900 | good morning lcuk | 11:38 |
| TermanaN900 | must be a weekend, everywhere is quiet | 11:38 |
| korhojoa | I don't understand why people keep calling the ps1 the psx, when a psx is a dvr & ps2 aio device | 11:38 |
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| lcuk | TermanaN900, indeed, I am only awake because tracy took eldest out | 11:39 |
| kerio | I don't understand why people keep talking about ps2 as a console if it's a mouse/keyboard connector | 11:39 |
| lcuk | i dont understand how people can write cames in postscript | 11:40 |
| Pillum | it is a mouse/keyboard connector | 11:40 |
| kerio | aah ya beat meh | 11:40 |
| Pillum | and the first playstation was called psx ;) | 11:40 |
| Pillum | playstation experimental | 11:41 |
| kerio | the playstation is a snes addon! | 11:42 |
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| Pillum | was supposed to be an addon | 11:42 |
| Pillum | but that doesn't help me with my problem that my emulator cant play any psx (:P) games | 11:43 |
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| psycho_oreos | blame sory | 11:44 |
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| Pillum | infobot: can you talk? | 11:45 |
| Pillum | hello infobot | 11:46 |
| psycho_oreos | s/hello/hi/ | 11:46 |
| Pillum | hi infobot | 11:46 |
| psycho_oreos | s/sory/sony/ | 11:46 |
| infobot | psycho_oreos meant: blame sony | 11:46 |
| Pillum | that infobot is dumb: Pillum i like you | 11:47 |
| Pillum | infobot You like you? | 11:47 |
| Pillum | infobotp*nis is, like, the DESTROYER of worlds | 11:48 |
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| Pillum | s/infobot/dumbbot | 11:50 |
| Pillum | s/infobot/dumbbot/ | 11:51 |
| infobot | Pillum meant: s/dumbbot/dumbbot | 11:51 |
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| Pillum | I is No | 11:51 |
| Pillum | What is I? | 11:51 |
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| Pillum | poink is Grey | 11:52 |
| Pillum | poink is also a silly word | 11:52 |
| Pillum | What is poink? | 11:52 |
| Pillum | no, infobot, x is wugga wugga. | 11:52 |
| Pillum | no, infobot, x is wugga wugga. | 11:52 |
| Pillum | What is x? | 11:52 |
| Pillum | infobot, tell fimmtiu about no web | 11:52 |
| Pillum | infobot, tell kerio about football | 11:53 |
| Pillum | infobot, tell Pillum about no web | 11:53 |
| Pillum | meego++ | 11:54 |
| Pillum | karma for meego | 11:54 |
| Pillum | meego++ | 11:54 |
| Pillum | status | 11:54 |
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| lcuk | poor infobot | 11:54 |
| Pillum | weather | 11:55 |
| Pillum | x is at http://www.xxx.com | 11:55 |
| Pillum | where can i find x? | 11:55 |
| Pillum | doesn't work :( | 11:56 |
| Pillum | infobot: what's up? | 11:57 |
| infobot | Up is the direction away from the central point of gravity. | 11:57 |
| Pillum | infobot: meego++ | 11:57 |
| Pillum | infobot: weather | 11:57 |
| Pillum | dumb bot is <REPLY>stupid human | 11:57 |
| Pillum | infobot: dumb bot is <REPLY>stupid human | 11:57 |
| infobot | ...but dumb bot is already something else... | 11:57 |
| Pillum | dumb bot | 11:57 |
| Pillum | What is dumb bot? | 11:58 |
| Pillum | infobot: What is dumb bot? | 11:58 |
| infobot | stupid human | 11:58 |
| Pillum | infobot: dumb bot | 11:58 |
| infobot | stupid human | 11:58 |
| Pillum | oh noes | 11:58 |
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| Pillum | infobot: I like you is <REPLY>I hate you. | 11:59 |
| infobot | You like you is <REPLY>I hate you.? | 11:59 |
| Pillum | infobot: I like you | 11:59 |
| infobot | You like you? | 11:59 |
| Pillum | infobot: I like you is <REPLY>I hate you | 12:00 |
| infobot | You like you is <REPLY>I hate you? | 12:00 |
| Pillum | infobot: Ilikeyou is <REPLY>Ihateyou | 12:00 |
| infobot | Pillum: okay | 12:00 |
| Pillum | infobot: whydoyouhateme is <REPLY>causeyouregay | 12:00 |
| infobot | okay, Pillum | 12:00 |
| Pillum | infobot: youaregay is <REPLY>imashemale | 12:01 |
| infobot | okay, Pillum | 12:01 |
| Pillum | infobot: ilikeyou | 12:01 |
| infobot | Ihateyou | 12:01 |
| Pillum | infobot: whydoyouhateme | 12:01 |
| infobot | causeyouregay | 12:01 |
| Pillum | infobot: youaregay | 12:01 |
| infobot | imashemale | 12:01 |
| Pillum | im bored xD | 12:01 |
| alterego | Obviously ... | 12:01 |
| alterego | Would you mind not spamming the channel? | 12:01 |
| Pillum | ok | 12:02 |
| ham5 | yes please this is very serious business | 12:02 |
| lcuk | not only that, pushing too many new facts into infobot pushes out the good stuff :P | 12:02 |
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| alterego | Heh | 12:03 |
| alterego | lcuk: how're your buttons? :) | 12:03 |
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| lcuk | alterego, didn't play, decided to try to get the makefile running happily on desktop linux | 12:04 |
| lcuk | so net result, seeing calculator running on 32" big screen | 12:04 |
| lcuk | and everything else | 12:04 |
| alterego | But the solar panel will be less fun on desktop :P | 12:05 |
| lcuk | indeed, its not the same covering a solar panel with little mouse pointer | 12:05 |
| * lcuk dislikes not touchable desktops | 12:06 | |
| lcuk | I thought you know, the touchscreen laptops | 12:06 |
| alterego | I've refined the button component a bit and am now working on a dialog message box thing. | 12:06 |
| lcuk | they never get used as touchscreen on windows at least | 12:06 |
| lcuk | because theres nothing geared for it | 12:06 |
| alterego | Yeah | 12:06 |
| lcuk | if something as simple as the close button | 12:06 |
| lcuk | were at the bottom of the capacitive laptop screen | 12:07 |
| lcuk | then it could be used like an extra row of keys | 12:07 |
| lcuk | but instead you have to move arm to top right atm | 12:07 |
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| lcuk | so annoying | 12:07 |
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| alterego | I suppose the xterm on maemo is a good example of that. | 12:11 |
| alterego | The bottom row is indeed pretty much a row of keys :) | 12:11 |
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| Pillum | http://cdn2.knowyourmeme.com/i/9995/original/helloseriousbusiness3am.jpg?1250727051 | 12:13 |
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| lcuk | alterego, indeed | 12:14 |
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| lcuk | but task switching from the top corners make gorillas happy | 12:15 |
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| lcuk | alterego, how would you open a new dialog using only qml | 12:17 |
| lcuk | supposing I had a menu screen with a set of buttons to open new screens | 12:18 |
| alterego | Well, I'd do it in JavaScript | 12:18 |
| alterego | I'll let you know when I've done it. | 12:18 |
| lcuk | hah | 12:18 |
| alterego | http://alterego.metapath.org/projects/imaging/Screenshot-20100815-101449.png | 12:18 |
| lcuk | nice | 12:18 |
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| alterego | You kinky minx, I'm in bed with my N900 at the moment (and hung over gf) | 12:20 |
| alterego | Might get my laptop hilst she's still subdued and do some coding. | 12:20 |
| lcuk | heh nahh tracy is at alton towers, jake has the other laptop watching thomas atm | 12:21 |
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| lcuk | and he looks so comfy I might as well do same | 12:21 |
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| lcuk | http://icanhascheezburger.com/2010/08/14/funny-pictures-wonts-haz/ :D | 12:23 |
| lcuk | my cats would be like that | 12:23 |
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| lcuk | alterego, what happens when you press those buttons, do the colors change/look indented etc? | 12:24 |
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| lcuk | morning VDVsx | 12:27 |
| lcuk | how is bluemaemo/meego going? | 12:27 |
| VDVsx | lcuk, morning, not going, besides work and party time have other stuff that is sucking all my time :( | 12:29 |
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| lcuk | perhaps organising and documenting its progression and laying out the puzzle pieces on the table would be good and then it can be made by whoever is able to put a piece in place for you | 12:30 |
| lcuk | "oh hi, I made you some potential layouts" | 12:31 |
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| alterego | they change colour at the moment. It's all pretty customizable. I was thinkinh of doing a 3D z movement effect. | 12:31 |
| lcuk | "I found out how to do the connection stuff in qt bluetooth" etc ;) | 12:31 |
| lcuk | alterego, simple > complex | 12:31 |
| alterego | The button "overlay" fades in and out on screen activity now too :) | 12:32 |
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| lcuk | alterego, so you have rotation only after that button press? | 12:35 |
| * lcuk finds dynamic rotation of photos frustrating sometimes | 12:35 | |
| alterego | Yeah, not sure what I want to do with rotation | 12:36 |
| alterego | I might add a slider and entry for full 360 rotation | 12:36 |
| alterego | rather than 90 degree incrementas. | 12:36 |
| lcuk | i like the option for phone of land/port/auto | 12:37 |
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| alterego | Oh yeah, that's part of my Qt app framework, handled seperately from the QML | 12:38 |
| lcuk | so you have to move outside qml often? | 12:38 |
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| lcuk | VDVsx, so are you hungover this morning? | 12:41 |
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| ham5 | hungover at 6am? | 12:41 |
| ham5 | good one | 12:41 |
| * lcuk often wakes up earlier after drinking with horrid HO | 12:42 | |
| ham5 | nother timezione nm | 12:42 |
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| lcuk | and ham5 morning after is when a HO hits you isn't it | 12:42 |
| lcuk | when else would you have one? | 12:42 |
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| VDVsx | lcuk, I'm fine, good night of sleep cures almost all kinds of hangovers :D | 12:42 |
| lcuk | theres more than one type o_O | 12:43 |
| lcuk | how cold does it get at night VDVsx - i know its warm in the daytime there | 12:43 |
| VDVsx | lcuk, yes, depends on what causes you the hangover,ol | 12:43 |
| lcuk | but does the briskness return? | 12:43 |
| VDVsx | lcuk, not cold, friday as 23-25 around 4 in the morning | 12:43 |
| lcuk | and what are you doing awake at 4 in the morning :p | 12:44 |
| VDVsx | well, :D | 12:44 |
| lcuk | haha | 12:45 |
| lcuk | gah | 12:45 |
| lcuk | i need more coffee but its miles away | 12:45 |
| lcuk | and i cannot bribe eldest to making me one | 12:45 |
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| alterego | lcuk: yeah, I'll be relying a fair amount on C++ code I think | 12:46 |
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| lcuk | alterego, hmm are there visual designers for qml ? | 12:49 |
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| lcuk | ooo http://www.asciimation.co.nz/bb/2010/08/14/brass-wristlet-google-maps-navigator-watch | 12:52 |
| VDVsx | lcuk, yes, qt creator | 12:53 |
| VDVsx | lcuk, http://labs.trolltech.com/blogs/2010/01/27/upcoming-qtcreator-support-for-qml-or-what-is-bauhaus/ | 12:53 |
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| lcuk | VDVsx, cool | 12:56 |
| lcuk | alterego, so does visual editing work as well then, because what I have seen a lot of is still text editor based layouts (nothing wrong in that it is the most efficient way of c&p manipulation) | 12:57 |
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| pigeon | hmm, the tracker thing sure is weird... | 13:28 |
| crashanddie | lcuk: you wouldn't happen to know a pyqt opengl example app? | 13:30 |
| pigeon | now the image viewer decides not to show any photos/images at all. | 13:30 |
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| alterego | lcuk: what do you mean by visual editing? :) | 13:34 |
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| pigeon | hmm, it seems the tracker has completely ignored my mmc card... now image viewer shows no photos... media player shows no songs/videos... | 13:47 |
| pigeon | and tracker-processes -r + reboot didn't fix it... | 13:48 |
| BluesLee | is there an easy way to check whether bluetooth is activated or not? | 13:48 |
| ShadowJK | the icon? | 13:48 |
| jacekowski | pigeon: wait | 13:48 |
| jacekowski | pigeon: it will find them | 13:48 |
| jacekowski | pigeon: after couple minutes | 13:49 |
| jacekowski | maybe hours | 13:49 |
| pigeon | i tried rm .local/share/tracker and .cache/tracker too... | 13:49 |
| pigeon | jacekowski: hmm | 13:49 |
| pigeon | the file manager shows them ok | 13:49 |
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| MohammadAG51 | ~trackerreset | 13:52 |
| infobot | well, trackerreset is "tracker-processes --hard-reset" in Terminal | 13:52 |
| pigeon | yeah, that's the same as -r | 13:52 |
| pigeon | done that like 5 times today... | 13:53 |
| MohammadAG51 | indeed, do it, reopen media player to reindex | 13:53 |
| MohammadAG51 | or photos app | 13:53 |
| MohammadAG51 | photos app works better | 13:53 |
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| pigeon | yeah, both empty still | 13:53 |
| MohammadAG51 | redo it | 13:54 |
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| kerio | tracker reset is apt-get remove tracker | 13:54 |
| MohammadAG51 | ... | 13:54 |
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| kerio | fuck tracker, use a file browser | 13:55 |
| MohammadAG51 | not really good when you have 600+ songs | 13:55 |
| kerio | ever heard of directories? | 13:55 |
| MohammadAG51 | duh, my music is sorted | 13:56 |
| MohammadAG51 | the file manager's slow | 13:56 |
| kerio | $artist/$album/$tracknumber $trackname.$extension | 13:56 |
| pigeon | (no images) (no videos) (no songs) :( | 13:56 |
| MohammadAG51 | wait? | 13:56 |
| MohammadAG51 | close/reopen media player | 13:57 |
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| pigeon | after doing tracker-processes --hard-reset, then i start media player, i can see from top trackerd/tracker-indexer is running for a bit. | 13:58 |
| pigeon | then still, (no songs) (no videos) | 13:58 |
| pigeon | feels like it's ignoring my mmc | 13:58 |
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| pigeon | i set the camera to save to internal memory, took a new photo, and it showed up in the image viewer, if i set to save to mmc, it doesn't. | 14:02 |
| pigeon | even though the file is there | 14:02 |
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| pigeon | hmm... ah | 14:11 |
| pigeon | i'm guessing... | 14:11 |
| pigeon | # Pause indexer when disk space is <= this value | 14:11 |
| pigeon | # (0->100, value is in % of $HOME file system, -1=disable pausing) | 14:11 |
| pigeon | LowDiskSpaceLimit=1 | 14:11 |
| pigeon | my /home is 99% full... | 14:11 |
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| alterego | I shuld probably learn vi properly. | 14:17 |
| alterego | Or install emacs | 14:17 |
| MohammadAG51 | nano ftw | 14:17 |
| alterego | meh | 14:17 |
| pigeon | butterfly, damn it! | 14:18 |
| alterego | wastes too much screen space :P | 14:18 |
| pigeon | (http://xkcd.com/378/) | 14:18 |
| EdLin | learn vi on a SysVr2 system running a terminal emulator that spews garbage every time you try using arrow keys in insert mode. Then you'll learn vi. | 14:19 |
| EdLin | kids these days with their vim and nano..... | 14:19 |
| alterego | Damnit, sym key has stopped working | 14:19 |
| alterego | I suppose it's time I booted the laptop | 14:21 |
| alterego | Quicker coding anyway :) | 14:21 |
| ieatlint | EdLin: just go for "vim -C" for some nostalgia there | 14:21 |
| EdLin | ieatlint: nah, just tried that in OS X, it doesn't have ^H every time you press backspace. | 14:22 |
| ieatlint | hmmm, yeah, wait, -C isn't right | 14:22 |
| ieatlint | there is a "classic" mode or something | 14:22 |
| ieatlint | where it doesn't allow control chars | 14:22 |
| pigeon | there! tracker is indexing again... | 14:22 |
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| warhead | hi | 14:24 |
| EdLin | hi | 14:24 |
| warhead | Im happy new user of nokia n900 | 14:25 |
| steinex | :) | 14:25 |
| EdLin | I'm a n810 user, hoping to upgrade to an n900 some day. :) | 14:25 |
| ieatlint | looks like the closest you can get vim to vi is to run ":set compatible" | 14:26 |
| warhead | cool phone | 14:26 |
| ieatlint | isn't as mean as vi, but it does prevent the arrow keys at least | 14:26 |
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| EdLin | ieatlint: yeah, still doesn't do ^H and all of the other stuff. | 14:27 |
| warhead | for now all works perfect | 14:27 |
| ieatlint | i agree though, i love people who have only ever used vim, then end up on some archiac or very stripped down system with just vi and are extremely confused | 14:27 |
| EdLin | ieatlint: my vi skills have probably softened up since I started using vim all the time though. | 14:27 |
| ieatlint | yeah, vim is awesome | 14:28 |
| EdLin | ieatlint: yeah, like people used to bash who wind up in an old Solaris system with a choice of sh and ksh (the latter only if they know how to set their shell. :) ) | 14:28 |
| koala_man | ieatlint: I especially love when those same people say they use "vi", since they don't realize the huge difference | 14:28 |
| ieatlint | koala_man: well, in fairness, vim has replaced vi such that it really isn't incorrect to say that | 14:29 |
| EdLin | oh yeah, and a choice of /usr/uch/csh - but that'd *really* confuse them. | 14:30 |
| ieatlint | and anyone who ends up in an old solaris system is crying for far more reasons than just having sh | 14:30 |
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| EdLin | ieatlint: only on Linux. On a SysV system that's locked down, you won't get vim. | 14:30 |
| ieatlint | especially if they have one of the god awful keyboards.. | 14:30 |
| EdLin | true | 14:30 |
| ieatlint | yeah, well, you just need to know hjkl, and that's 90% of it | 14:30 |
| koala_man | vi was written by bill joy in the seventies. vim was not. | 14:31 |
| ieatlint | things evolve | 14:31 |
| EdLin | ucb* | 14:31 |
| koala_man | vim can be invoked as "vi" for compatibility, but doesn't make it vi | 14:31 |
| ieatlint | geeks never have a shortage of pedantry... | 14:32 |
| ieatlint | myself included :) | 14:32 |
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| EdLin | koala_man: I don't mind using vim, it's just that it doesn't teach you really what to do if you're using vi without it. Half the point to knowing vi is the fact that it's been on nearly every system since Berkeley userland tools entered SysV. | 14:32 |
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| EdLin | so if you're on a system that isn't able to add your choice of editor, you know what to do anyway. | 14:33 |
| EdLin | vi and bourne shell are part of the lingua franca of Unix, if you don't know them, and are stuck on a strange Unix system, you're in trouble. | 14:34 |
| koala_man | I'm just saying that vim is fantastic, but you should know you're using vim and not vi. otherwise it's incorrect and disrespectful to the vim authors | 14:35 |
| EdLin | koala_man: they won't know if you don't tell them. ;-) | 14:35 |
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| koala_man | vim tells them. | 14:36 |
| EdLin | lol | 14:36 |
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| ieatlint | vim also tells me to donate to eritrea... | 14:36 |
| EdLin | Uganda | 14:37 |
| koala_man | mine doesn't, never noticed it change | 14:37 |
| ieatlint | meh, one of them countries | 14:37 |
| koala_man | they're all the same | 14:37 |
| ieatlint | isn't africa a country? :P | 14:37 |
| koala_man | the south is at least | 14:38 |
| EdLin | yeah, it's the northern part of South Africa | 14:38 |
| MohammadAG51 | lol | 14:38 |
| ieatlint | wrong, the correct answer is: no, countries have a government | 14:38 |
| EdLin | you mean they don't have governments there? I'd always suspected.... | 14:39 |
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| EdLin | I mean, last time I read National Geographic, it didn't look like they had any governments there. | 14:40 |
| koala_man | they do so have governments. hundreds of them, one for every few square kilometers | 14:40 |
| EdLin | seriously, I wonder if Africa is going to end up being the next frontier for smartphones. Nokia might have the right idea in actually designing certain S40 handsets for sub-Saharan Africa and other 3rd world locations where cell phones are more common than electricity or wired internet. | 14:41 |
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| koala_man | how do they charge them? | 14:42 |
| EdLin | koala_man: believe it or not, bicycle. | 14:42 |
| koala_man | awesome | 14:42 |
| EdLin | koala_man: that's why the handsets I mentioned have such a long battery life, 2 weeks or more. | 14:42 |
| ShadowJK | The low-end s40 phones have awesome battery life | 14:43 |
| ShadowJK | yeah, 2-3 weeks :) | 14:43 |
| koala_man | wow, nokia has a bicycle charger kit. I had no idea | 14:43 |
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| EdLin | koala_man: yep | 14:43 |
| ShadowJK | and the 2mm charge system looks freaking weird on paper, but it's actually pretty efficient | 14:43 |
| ShadowJK | s/pretty/very/ | 14:43 |
| infobot | ShadowJK meant: and the 2mm charge system looks freaking weird on paper, but it's actually very efficient | 14:43 |
| koala_man | how so? | 14:44 |
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| EdLin | koala_man: efficient enough for bicycle and solar charging to be practical. 'nuff said. | 14:45 |
| ShadowJK | it's able to use a much wider range of supply voltage than microusb | 14:45 |
| ShadowJK | So you don't need to pedal at the exact correct speed ;-) | 14:45 |
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| koala_man | ah | 14:46 |
| EdLin | I actually thought of getting a sim card with a $50 Nokia phone, and saving up for an n900.... Instead I went with a contract and an android phone. I belong here though, I still have an n810. :-) | 14:47 |
| EdLin | wish I hadn't gone with the contract, that was penny wise and pound foolish. | 14:48 |
| EdLin | the $50 nokia phone is the same one they use in Africa... | 14:49 |
| EdLin | tho they sell it for less there | 14:49 |
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| thopiekar | hi maemo-users | 14:50 |
| thopiekar | is there a folder called /usr/lib/python linked with usr/lib/python[version] on your devices? | 14:51 |
| ieatlint | no | 14:53 |
| ieatlint | /usr/lib/python2.5 only | 14:53 |
| EdLin | ieatlint: does OS2008 use 2.5? Let me boot it up and check... | 14:54 |
| ieatlint | ah, yeah, i'm speaking of maemo 5 pr 1.2 on the n900 | 14:54 |
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| EdLin | 2.5 here too | 14:57 |
| EdLin | though I assume an n800 unupgraded or the older nokia n7something tablet use something older. | 14:57 |
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| obcecado | hello | 15:04 |
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| obcecado | is there anyway to sync rss reader with google reader ? | 15:04 |
| haltdef | I just use grr | 15:05 |
| obcecado | thanks for the hint :-] | 15:06 |
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| thopiekar | hmm thanks for the info! | 15:18 |
| thopiekar | EdLin , ieatlint ^ | 15:18 |
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| EdLin | np | 15:19 |
| EdLin | thopiekar: a platform-independant way would be to run which `python` to find your interpreter. | 15:20 |
| EdLin | well, it'd work on all Unix at least. ;-) | 15:20 |
| EdLin | oops, no backtics. sorry | 15:21 |
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| thopiekar | I'm working on packaging files for Canola.. there are differences between these needed for maemo and desktop pc's.. I want to get them together.. | 15:22 |
| EdLin | which won't work in all Unix either, actually, looking at the manpage... | 15:23 |
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| EdLin | so much for portability. ;-) | 15:23 |
| EdLin | thopiekar: isn't there a way in python to find out what version you're running, and then use that to guess the /usr/lib/python{$version}? | 15:24 |
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| thopiekar | don'T worry I figured it out :P | 15:24 |
| EdLin | k | 15:25 |
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| EdLin | thopiekar: I'm more knowledgable in Perl and Tcl than Python... | 15:26 |
| thopiekar | thats actually how I compare between the systems.. building under maemo works in chroots with sb and sb is providing a own python compiler as the default one.. so when the version of python is 2.3 the rules file knows that it is running under a maemo builder and replaces the control file with the specific control-maemo file.. which differences with control-desktop in the package section | 15:27 |
| thopiekar | EdLin: thanks anyway! | 15:27 |
| thopiekar | ;) | 15:27 |
| EdLin | I should learn python one of these days. | 15:28 |
| crashanddie | can you speak English? | 15:28 |
| EdLin | crashanddie: yeah, I know the basics are easy. :) | 15:28 |
| crashanddie | then you know the basics of python :P | 15:28 |
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| EdLin | crashanddie: if you've ever seen non-trivial python code in the wild, you know that's not enough. ;-) | 15:29 |
| crashanddie | sure it is | 15:29 |
| EdLin | crashanddie: though you'd understand more of it than Perl. | 15:29 |
| crashanddie | or C++ templates | 15:30 |
| * thopiekar likes programming in Python! | 15:30 | |
| kerio | unix = man | 15:31 |
| kerio | if you have man, you don't need to know | 15:31 |
| crashanddie | template <class foo> foo GetBigFoo(foo a, foo b) { return a > b ? a : b); | 15:31 |
| kerio | crashanddie: max(a, b) | 15:32 |
| crashanddie | kerio: only works on ints :) | 15:32 |
| crashanddie | kerio: whereas you could also overload the > operator to handle the template | 15:32 |
| EdLin | crashanddie++ | 15:32 |
| kerio | list(sorted((a, b)))[1] | 15:32 |
| EdLin | in more ways than one. ;-) | 15:33 |
| crashanddie | I mean, I can now officially call myself a C++ developer by trade, but I wouldn't say I really enjoy the dark corners of C++ in the least | 15:33 |
| crashanddie | Python really is a "fun" language, allowing for quick prototypes and uber-fun development | 15:33 |
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| kerio | python is awesome <3 | 15:34 |
| kerio | decorators are a beautiful concept, generators and iterators are incredibly powerful | 15:36 |
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| Termana | Hmm, I was wondering why my hands stink. And then I realised, they smell like the flea powder I helped apply earlier | 15:59 |
| Termana | :P | 15:59 |
| Termana | Most exciting thing that will happen all night in here | 15:59 |
| Termana | :D | 15:59 |
| SpeedEvil | I recently had a comedy accident. | 16:00 |
| SpeedEvil | Take footage of any number of films where the protagonist slips on ball bearings. | 16:01 |
| SpeedEvil | replace the ball bearings with deep-frozen blackcurrants. | 16:01 |
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| lcuk | SpeedEvil, were any berries injured in the making of that magical moment? | 16:13 |
| SpeedEvil | no. | 16:14 |
| SpeedEvil | Being deep frozen and all. | 16:14 |
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| alterego | lcuk: yeah, the beta Qt creator for Qt 4.7 has a QML designer integrated in it. | 16:48 |
| alterego | I do everything by hand at the moment, on the device. | 16:48 |
| alterego | With gedit editing on my laptop via sshfs | 16:49 |
| lcuk | alterego, how does that work when you need the c++ elements tying in with it | 16:49 |
| alterego | Not sure, I've not really used it. | 16:50 |
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| lcuk | alterego, ahh | 16:52 |
| lcuk | heh http://29.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_l71szdoFT11qzpwi0o1_400.jpg | 16:52 |
| alterego | Heh, very MeeGo | 16:55 |
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| SpeedEvil | Kirk = nokia, Spock=intel, Redshirt=community? | 16:57 |
| alterego | Heh | 16:57 |
| lcuk | SpeedEvil, you are implying therefore that community is in the role of Scottie | 16:59 |
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| lcuk | alterego, and re meego, I thought same too | 17:02 |
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| * MohammadAG found a fix for compiz | 17:05 | |
| MohammadAG | while true; do compiz --replace; done | 17:05 |
| MohammadAG | whenever it crashes, it starts again | 17:05 |
| MohammadAG | xD | 17:05 |
| kerio | MohammadAG: compiz on n900? | 17:06 |
| kerio | :o | 17:06 |
| MohammadAG | LOL no | 17:06 |
| MohammadAG | craptop | 17:06 |
| MohammadAG | lap* | 17:06 |
| kerio | i see | 17:07 |
| kerio | boring | 17:07 |
| kerio | XD | 17:07 |
| kerio | how does maemo's dashboard interface work? | 17:07 |
| kerio | screenshots of every application? | 17:07 |
| MohammadAG | magic | 17:07 |
| kerio | i saw them moving | 17:07 |
| MohammadAG | no, it's live | 17:07 |
| MohammadAG | see hildon-desktop's code | 17:07 |
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| alterego | I wonder how hard it would be to write a pure javascript qml interpreter | 17:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | pillum o.O :-( | 17:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer | why isn't anybody helping to stop such nonsense? | 17:15 |
| alterego | What are you talking about? | 17:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | [2010-08-15 10:52:43] <Pillum> no, infobot, x is wugga wugga. | 17:16 |
| jacekowski | ~x | 17:16 |
| jacekowski | x is wugga wugga | 17:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | [2010-08-15 10:52:50] <Pillum> What is x? | 17:16 |
| jacekowski | ~x is wugga wugga | 17:16 |
| jacekowski | hmm, infobot is broken | 17:16 |
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| kerio | infobot: x is lol | 17:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~ping | 17:18 |
| infobot | ~pong | 17:18 |
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| kerio | ~x | 17:18 |
| jacekowski | ~DocScrutinizer | 17:18 |
| infobot | it has been said that docscrutinizer is jOERG, a HW-developer and engineer of Openmoko | 17:18 |
| jacekowski | ~jacekowski | 17:18 |
| infobot | i heard jacekowski is a cat from red dwarf | 17:18 |
| kerio | ~kerio | 17:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~factinfo x | 17:18 |
| infobot | x -- last modified at Tue Jul 29 00:05:50 2003 by dondelelcaro!~don@archimedes.urmc.rochester.edu; it has been requested 17 times, last by Pillum, 5h 22m 36s ago. | 17:18 |
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| kerio | :( | 17:18 |
| kerio | infobot, kerio is awesome | 17:18 |
| infobot | kerio: okay | 17:18 |
| jacekowski | ~MohammadAG | 17:18 |
| kerio | ~kerio | 17:18 |
| infobot | well, mohammadag is special | 17:18 |
| infobot | well, kerio is awesome | 17:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~forget x | 17:18 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer: i forgot x | 17:18 |
| kerio | \o/ | 17:18 |
| kerio | ~forget kerio | 17:19 |
| infobot | i forgot kerio, kerio | 17:19 |
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| kerio | heh | 17:19 |
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| kerio | infobot: who are you | 17:19 |
| infobot | kerio: what are you talking about? | 17:19 |
| MohammadAG | ~tybollt | 17:19 |
| infobot | somebody said tybollt was some bloody idiot | 17:19 |
| kerio | ~infobot | 17:19 |
| infobot | kerio, i love abuse, feed me!, or whack, yo | 17:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | now please don't let us continue that BS pillum was spamming the chan with | 17:19 |
| MohammadAG | indeed | 17:19 |
| kerio | ~botsnack | 17:19 |
| MohammadAG | infobot, gtfo | 17:19 |
| infobot | kerio: aw, gee | 17:19 |
| infobot | Sorry sir, I won't bother you anymore. | 17:19 |
| kerio | poor infobot :( | 17:20 |
| kerio | he was just trying to help | 17:20 |
| kerio | he's just a bit gullible | 17:20 |
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| lcuk | its all fun and games until someone loses an arm http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFDo1aOIQ_c | 17:21 |
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| * DocScrutinizer has a whole tablet of armV5 | 17:22 | |
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| lcuk | DocScrutinizer, n8x0? | 17:23 |
| kerio | heh | 17:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | S3C2410 | 17:23 |
| lcuk | so which os sits on it | 17:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | or were those S3C2440 ? | 17:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's a SoC | 17:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | 50 SoCs | 17:24 |
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| * alterego sighs .. Another boring post by abill_uk | 17:25 | |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer: beowulf cluster! | 17:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm, RAM missing | 17:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | and soldering that micro-BGA chips really is no fun | 17:25 |
| lcuk | how hot does an oven have to be? | 17:26 |
| lcuk | and have you got enough hairclips to make a template holder? | 17:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | 240°C ? | 17:27 |
| lcuk | gas mark 4! :D | 17:27 |
| * lcuk cannot remember which stage the solder bath was needed, but I bet you could improvise | 17:28 | |
| DocScrutinizer | I got ever solder paste, *could* do that :-) If I had a gas oven :-P | 17:29 |
| lcuk | microwave it :D | 17:29 |
| ShadowJK | electric no good? | 17:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | hehehe | 17:29 |
| lcuk | so you have the screens and everything? | 17:29 |
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| lcuk | or just the chips | 17:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | none either, believe or not | 17:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | only a palette of chips | 17:30 |
| ShadowJK | were you planning on doing something with them? | 17:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | got a whole bag of chips, unsorted | 17:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | mdern art? | 17:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer | http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/unsorted/impressions-of-25C3/ | 17:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | there's one of my arms http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/unsorted/impressions-of-25C3/impressions-of-25c3/snc00249_jpg.jpeg.html | 17:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: interested? | 17:35 |
| ShadowJK | eh? | 17:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer | in that chips mix, or some arms | 17:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | the litter on these photos is maybe 1% | 17:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | in volume. In numbers much less, as there are several reels with transistors etc | 17:37 |
| ShadowJK | I'm not competent with anything that can't be connected using a PH1 screwdriver :P | 17:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-) | 17:39 |
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| DocScrutinizer | has anybody (pointer to) chan statistics? is that normal to have 100 less on weekend? | 17:41 |
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| DocScrutinizer | lcuk: solder bath not commonly used nowadays | 17:44 |
| alterego | Ah, sunday afternoon trolling .. | 17:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's been thru-hole ages | 17:44 |
| MohammadAG | lol | 17:44 |
| jacekowski | thru hole is still used | 17:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | uh? me? | 17:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: you can't use bath- soldering though, on mixed technology PCB | 17:45 |
| jacekowski | besides, it's not bath | 17:46 |
| jacekowski | it's wave | 17:46 |
| jacekowski | or we are talking about something else? | 17:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | yesyes, wave, or foam or whatever | 17:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | usually you got 99% SMT and the few thruhole components are a nuissance and need manual soldering then | 17:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | probably one reason why Nokia used SMT USB | 17:48 |
| kerio | the n900's usb sucks ._. | 17:49 |
| kerio | it broke! | 17:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | alterego: you used the T-word, triggering chanop-alert over here. Now please be specific what should be done | 17:51 |
| alterego | Erm, nothing. | 17:52 |
| alterego | I was commenting about a tmo post. | 17:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | aah | 17:52 |
| kerio | TMO and trolling are very close | 17:52 |
| alterego | Sorreh :P | 17:52 |
| kerio | :) | 17:52 |
| alterego | Heh | 17:52 |
| jacekowski | hmm, where i can get couple MHz square wave | 17:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astabiler_Multivibrator | 17:54 |
| lcuk | hands up who thought that would be a wiki article about sex toys | 17:55 |
| muellis3 | \o | 17:55 |
| * alterego claims innocence | 17:55 | |
| kerio | \o | 17:56 |
| korhojoa | lcuk: wut? an Astable Multivibrator. that's awesome, I use them all the time | 17:57 |
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| * lcuk giggles | 17:58 | |
| Muelli | but it p0rn in a way.. nerdy pr0n though... | 17:59 |
| Muelli | sexy schematics... | 17:59 |
| Muelli | brb... | 17:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | quite cool is a synced ASMV, you can use as divider up to 1:100, and as well has property to provide continuous wave even without syncing signal | 17:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | now read that with sexual connotation | 18:00 |
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| korhojoa | 1:100 is pretty bukkake IMO | 18:01 |
| korhojoa | I mean, a continuous wave is freaky enough, but no sync? Come on, those are some real professionals doing that then. | 18:01 |
| lcuk | DocScrutinizer, i can only think of walking like a cowboy and chafing | 18:01 |
| korhojoa | hahahahaha | 18:01 |
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| Arkenoi | my messaging database was messed up again. it is second time this happening. | 18:17 |
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| lcuk | Arkenoi, messed up? | 18:20 |
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| Arkenoi | lcuk: messages seen in the list not matching messages seen inside conversations, undeletable messages, etc | 18:23 |
| lcuk | omg, jake is singing Cyndie Lauper - girls just wanna have fun. at the top of his voice | 18:24 |
| lcuk | Arkenoi, thats not good | 18:24 |
| lcuk | is your clock set correctly? | 18:24 |
| oscillik | i had to reflash my N900 the other day simply because it was taking over 8 seconds to go through each level in the E-Mail app | 18:24 |
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| Arkenoi | lcuk: yep. when it happened before i just checked database for valuable messages, saved those and dropped the rest | 18:25 |
| Arkenoi | i filled a bug, but there was no progress on it | 18:25 |
| kerio | you filled it with what? | 18:26 |
| lcuk | Arkenoi, which bug? | 18:26 |
| Arkenoi | kerio: i described symptoms and provided some sql dumps on request | 18:27 |
| Arkenoi | it is somewhere on bmo, let me find it.. | 18:27 |
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| Arkenoi | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10614 | 18:34 |
| povbot | Bug 10614: Message database corruption | 18:34 |
| Arkenoi | here it is | 18:34 |
| lcuk | holy poop. vlad got live wallpapers with xscreensaver support \:o/ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0yUFankdUTc | 18:35 |
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| oscillik | hmm at around 1:10 that's not a good example of the responsiveness of Maemo someimtes | 18:40 |
| oscillik | really does annoy me when the OS registers a tap (because you can feel the vibration) but it doesn't actually do anything | 18:40 |
| nid0 | there are several points where he has to re-press things several times :\ | 18:41 |
| oscillik | yeah, it's pretty bad :( | 18:41 |
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| lcuk | oscillik, nid0 - :) I have confidence we can cleanup all but the worst offenders with some hard core debugging - all the desktop code is open and vlads stuff is too | 18:41 |
| lcuk | we should be able to find out with a concerted effort | 18:41 |
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| lcuk | and in doing so, may help any other areas too :) | 18:42 |
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| oscillik | that's not the point though...Nokia should've gotten that kind of sluggishness sorted before the phone shipped | 18:42 |
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| Arkenoi | wimax connection sucks :-( | 18:42 |
| lcuk | this sort of stuff wasn't even thought of at first, cmon - some of the time this device gets pushed way beyond on lots of levels | 18:42 |
| oscillik | lcuk: i experience the sluggishness on my hanfset and i don't even push it | 18:43 |
| oscillik | i'm not running any kind of mods or tweaks | 18:43 |
| oscillik | i have very few apps installed | 18:43 |
| Arkenoi | wish i could run "providence" and "lament" on n900. actually it might drain my battery damn fast :-) | 18:43 |
| nid0 | lcuk - I think oscillik was more just generally referring to points in the video where vlad has to, for example, press the task manager icon like 4 times while just flipping between screens | 18:43 |
| oscillik | yes exactly | 18:43 |
| * lcuk does not notice this many things - I use fairly normal system | 18:44 | |
| nid0 | vlad might just have a very light touch tbh as I dont really see it that much, but in the video of his device at least it looks real bad | 18:44 |
| toggles_w | lol, define "normal" on the n900 | 18:44 |
| lcuk | but sometimes it can get ott | 18:44 |
| lcuk | yes agreed | 18:44 |
| oscillik | lcuk: i just told you that my system is VERY normal, yet i still experience many occasions where the GUI just doesn't respond to taps, even though the OS has registered that i tapped | 18:44 |
| lcuk | but I thought that was more with whats trying to be done | 18:44 |
| toggles_w | the whole point of it is to hack it | 18:44 |
| toggles_w | from the very begining there was "push" | 18:45 |
| lcuk | indeed toggles_w | 18:45 |
| * lcuk can bring machine to its knees | 18:45 | |
| toggles_w | i think they did good, if only better battery life... | 18:45 |
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| lcuk | toggles_w, again depends on what you do, I have 2 principle machines here and get wildly different battery life | 18:46 |
| lcuk | depending on which is being used for what at different times | 18:46 |
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| nid0 | the thing that baffles me most with battery life is why it's only 1380mAh when a bp-4l battery that's the same physical volume and a like 4 year older design, has a 1500mAh capacity :( | 18:47 |
| lcuk | dunno nid0 is it a different composition? | 18:47 |
| lcuk | and would they be compatible? | 18:47 |
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| * Arkenoi wonders why there are no *good* chinese replacement batteries | 18:47 | |
| oscillik | nid0: those batteries are not the same size at all | 18:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | Arkenoi: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WSO4QPE_RQk http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZZ43krhg6k | 18:48 |
| lcuk | how do I know battery is dying? | 18:48 |
| nid0 | no idea, theyre both nokia batteries - they arent interchangable as theyre different dimensions (bp-41 is much longer and thinner) but the volume is practically identical | 18:48 |
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| oscillik | the BP-4L is thinner by a fraction of a millimetre, if that. i get what you're saying though, i think the BP-4L could've been incorporated into the design. or at least a battery of equal capacity | 18:49 |
| oscillik | hmmm BP-4L is Li-Polymer while BL-5J is Li-ion | 18:50 |
| nid0 | they both weigh the same too :< | 18:50 |
| oscillik | and output the same voltage | 18:51 |
| nid0 | yep | 18:51 |
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| lcuk | interesting | 18:56 |
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| lcuk | cyas later anyway, goin for a walk with jake | 18:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | oscillik: one some shop.nokia.de page I found a statement N900 us using BP-4L battery, and that battery had been spec'd to have 1200mAh there iirc. | 18:59 |
| oscillik | docscrutinizer: that information is incorrect, since the N900 cannot accomodate the BP-4L battery at all | 18:59 |
| oscillik | i have both batteries in front of me right now, because i own both an N900 and an E90 | 19:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | did I say I think it's a correct info? | 19:00 |
| oscillik | did i say that you thought it was incorrect? | 19:00 |
| oscillik | i merely pointed out that the information is incorrect, not that you thought it had any credence | 19:00 |
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| * DocScrutinizer sighs and ponders about getting coffee without milk, better than no coffee at all | 19:02 | |
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| oscillik | i haven't had coffee for ages | 19:03 |
| nid0 | same two devices as my batteries are from \o/ | 19:03 |
| oscillik | nid0: i also have a Psion netBook and Series 5mxPRO here too | 19:04 |
| oscillik | ;) | 19:04 |
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| timeless | sp3000: grumble, my tv died | 19:14 |
| Jaffa | Af'noon, all | 19:14 |
| timeless | and it died after 6pm, so i can't buy a replacement today | 19:14 |
| kerio | timeless: my microusb port died | 19:15 |
| kerio | :( | 19:15 |
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| tybollt | awww | 19:17 |
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| steinex | question: is it possible to run fremantle on the desktop to develop/test things out? a virtual machine or such? | 19:19 |
| korhojoa | steinex: there is the dev platform that runs on ubuntu | 19:20 |
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| steinex | korhojoa: downloading this now | 19:22 |
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| kerio | do you guys use wifiswitcher? | 19:24 |
| timeless | kerio: =( | 19:24 |
| timeless | i suspect it's cheaper to get a replacement usb port than a replacement tv | 19:24 |
| timeless | and hopefully your tv is under warranty | 19:25 |
| kerio | timeless: i blame the browser, btw | 19:25 |
| timeless | mine requires me to figure out what to do w/ my accursed finnish tv setup | 19:25 |
| kerio | my tv isn't | 19:25 |
| kerio | my n900 is | 19:25 |
| kerio | :) | 19:25 |
| timeless | :o, why? | 19:25 |
| timeless | s/tv/n900/ | 19:25 |
| korhojoa | timeless: huh? | 19:25 |
| kerio | dunno, i feel like blaming you | 19:25 |
| timeless | yeah, i obviously meant your n900 | 19:25 |
| timeless | it's my tv that's dead after all | 19:25 |
| steinex | kerio: i think wifiswitcher has not much impact on battery life if you disable auto-discovery of wlan anyway | 19:26 |
| steinex | at least thats my impression | 19:26 |
| kerio | steinex: i was looking for something like that, yeah | 19:26 |
| korhojoa | timeless: what tv? | 19:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | kerio: I told you you must not use it anymore, prior to fixing the loose bits. Please don't complain now | 19:27 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer: the loose bits are still there | 19:27 |
| kerio | :) | 19:27 |
| kerio | and it's not *really* dead | 19:27 |
| timeless | tekojo: ping(dns, maemo) | 19:27 |
| kerio | just unusable | 19:27 |
| timeless | kerio: my tv wasn't turning on anymore | 19:27 |
| timeless | for the last couple of months it had issues w/ this "on" concept | 19:27 |
| timeless | but now it refuses | 19:27 |
| kerio | because you have to push the plug in a unhealthy way | 19:27 |
| timeless | korhojoa: calling it a tv is kinda wrong | 19:28 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer: i've been using two batteries + external charger for a couple of days | 19:28 |
| kerio | it works fine | 19:28 |
| timeless | it's an LG Flatron L193st | 19:28 |
| korhojoa | well, timeless non-functioning display device | 19:28 |
| kerio | except that my uptime sucks :( | 19:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | LG eeew | 19:28 |
| korhojoa | timeless: ehn, monitor + tv-combo? | 19:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | got a LG as well. Completely borked firmware | 19:29 |
| timeless | yeah | 19:29 |
| timeless | it's my G5's secondary DVI | 19:29 |
| timeless | but i think that the Handan DVR tried very hard to kill it | 19:29 |
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| korhojoa | haha :D | 19:30 |
| kerio | samsung ftfw | 19:30 |
| korhojoa | kerio: not always | 19:30 |
| kerio | i can speak from my huge experience | 19:30 |
| kerio | (1 tv) | 19:30 |
| korhojoa | i'd like one of them nice sony tv's. they're just so darn expensive | 19:30 |
| timeless | (and obviously succeeded) | 19:30 |
| timeless | anyway.. | 19:31 |
| kerio | timeless: avenge your tv | 19:31 |
| timeless | the dvr is crap | 19:31 |
| timeless | so i'm in the market (kinda) for a replacement TV solution | 19:31 |
| korhojoa | tbh, we've got a panasonic at home, and it works just fine. i've got a samsung here, and a samsung monitor (which has been replaced onsite once, awesome.) | 19:31 |
| kerio | get a huge hammer | 19:31 |
| timeless | i currently have Elisa Cable | 19:31 |
| korhojoa | timeless: samsung's 2333HD | 19:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | korhojoa: sony has a damn long record of building TV that *always* have issues | 19:31 |
| kerio | timeless: elgato eyetv | 19:31 |
| timeless | and the DVR has an incredibly flaky EPG | 19:31 |
| timeless | and the dvr is less functional than a VCR from 1988 | 19:31 |
| korhojoa | DocScrutinizer: well. so don't buy the dodgy ones | 19:31 |
| timeless | (or 85?) | 19:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | korhojoa: and repair cost more than gold | 19:32 |
| kerio | because really, *when* is your computer turned off? | 19:32 |
| korhojoa | handan sucks anyways, get a real one (dreambox) | 19:32 |
| timeless | anyway | 19:32 |
| korhojoa | DocScrutinizer: well then, see to it that it breaks during warranty | 19:32 |
| timeless | i want something which can: | 19:32 |
| timeless | 1. manage 21 or more programs (handan dies at 20) | 19:32 |
| timeless | 2. record a program 5 days a week (bonus points for arbitrary sets of days) | 19:33 |
| kerio | timeless: http://www.elgato.com/ | 19:33 |
| kerio | (not affiliated) | 19:33 |
| korhojoa | timeless: dreambox or a mythtv machine. | 19:33 |
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| timeless | note that my only computers are a p2/450 or a G5 | 19:33 |
| timeless | and i'm not likely to sacrifice the os on either | 19:33 |
| kerio | "Mac TV tuners with EyeTV software. Turn your Macintosh into a television and DVR." | 19:33 |
| timeless | so w2k, OSX10.5 | 19:33 |
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| timeless | i think eyetv requires an intel mac these days | 19:34 |
| timeless | we tried looking | 19:34 |
| kerio | :( | 19:34 |
| timeless | and kinda reached that conclusion | 19:34 |
| timeless | please correct me | 19:34 |
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| DocScrutinizer | korhojoa: won't help for two reasons: 1) repair will send back device with *more* bugs/failures rather than fixing the original issue, and 2) warranty doesn't extend on "fixing" some issue. So after 6 months you still have that annoying vertical bar in the picture, but Sony doesn't care anymore | 19:34 |
| korhojoa | DocScrutinizer: i see you've been hit with a defective product | 19:35 |
| kerio | timeless: "EyeTV 3.4.2 is a universal application, which works on both Power PC and Intel Macs." | 19:35 |
| kerio | (last version to support ppc) | 19:35 |
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| korhojoa | timeless: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dreambox | 19:36 |
| korhojoa | seriously. | 19:36 |
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| kerio | it's stuff with less cpu than my sheevaplug :/ | 19:37 |
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| DocScrutinizer | if dreambox is working meanwhile, then it's probably a nice (though expensive) device | 19:38 |
| DeMar | hello | 19:39 |
| timeless | how expensive? | 19:39 |
| DeMar | does anyone know how to fix this: /usr/bin/nitdroid-installer: line 547: cannot create /home/user/MyDocs/.nitdroid/installer.log: nonexistent directory | 19:39 |
| kerio | DeMar: huh... mkdir /home/user/MyDocs/.nitdroid | 19:40 |
| timeless | so how would i get a dreambox? | 19:40 |
| timeless | i'd want one w/ dvi, and possible scart, although tbh i don't like scart at all | 19:40 |
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| timeless | and would probably rather get an extra dvd player which has some useful output | 19:40 |
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| DeMar | thx kerio :* | 19:41 |
| kerio | DeMar: tell the #nitdroid guys to add a mkdir -p /home/user/MyDocs/.nitdroid somewhere | 19:42 |
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| korhojoa | timeless: vaasasta compusat: www.compusat.fi | 19:42 |
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| kerio | hmm, rsync via ssh uses a different unicode encoding than rsync with a locally-mounted volume :/ | 19:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | DM8000 : 949.- EUR | 19:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | first hit | 19:45 |
| kerio | OUCH | 19:45 |
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| korhojoa | I didn't say they were cheap | 19:45 |
| kerio | timeless: transmission + flexget is free | 19:45 |
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| alterego | Damnit, QML javascript doesn't have setTimeout .. | 19:54 |
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| timeless | alterego: setTimeout isn't part of JS | 19:58 |
| timeless | it's part of DOM | 19:58 |
| timeless | which as far as JS is concerned is a Host Object | 19:58 |
| timeless | doc: way out of my ballpark | 19:59 |
| timeless | i think my ceiling is /probably/ 200EUR | 19:59 |
| alterego | timeless: I know, it's just freakin' annoying :P | 19:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer | so no dream-multimedia HD product for you | 20:00 |
| timeless | are they all out of my league? | 20:00 |
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| timeless | is there something for ~300? | 20:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | HD yes | 20:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes | 20:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | DB500HD iirc | 20:00 |
| timeless | keep in mind that i'm short one display too | 20:00 |
| timeless | unless it can share my mac's primary DVI (cinema) | 20:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | Dreambox DM 500 HD 309,00EUR | 20:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://www.dream-multimedia-tv.de/en/dm-500-hd | 20:02 |
| jacekowski | i was using skystar DVB card | 20:03 |
| jacekowski | to watch paid tv for free | 20:04 |
| timeless | legally? | 20:04 |
| timeless | i'm not trying to break the law here | 20:04 |
| timeless | i'm just trying to get a non lame UX while watching programming | 20:05 |
| timeless | mostly i want time shifting that works | 20:05 |
| timeless | it's way too much to ask for in this country | 20:05 |
| jacekowski | well, not really legally] | 20:06 |
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| Arkenoi | as-daemon is running at 100% cpu for hours. | 20:07 |
| jacekowski | kill it | 20:07 |
| timeless | arkenoi: there are instructions for enabling logging | 20:07 |
| timeless | read them, follow them | 20:07 |
| timeless | contact the person who wants the logs, provide them | 20:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | as? | 20:07 |
| timeless | activesync | 20:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | eew | 20:08 |
| jacekowski | not audio scrobbler? | 20:08 |
| timeless | hey, it works | 20:08 |
| timeless | hrm | 20:08 |
| timeless | maybe? | 20:08 |
| timeless | scrobblers aren't part of the default install | 20:08 |
| timeless | so i have to assume he means the thing i'm thinking of :) | 20:08 |
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| jacekowski | never assume anything | 20:09 |
| timeless | dpkg -l as-daemon-0 | 20:09 |
| timeless | read the description | 20:09 |
| timeless | i'm not wrong | 20:09 |
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| DocScrutinizer | so as like in "nice to have elementary function of any mobile device that's never going to work flawlessly" :-) | 20:10 |
| timeless | hrm | 20:11 |
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| timeless | it's one of the few components getting work | 20:11 |
| timeless | and it has real customers | 20:11 |
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| timeless | (the vast majority of nokia) | 20:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | (minus you're using redmond crap on both your desktop and mobile gadget) | 20:12 |
| timeless | and the team working on it cares | 20:12 |
| timeless | no | 20:12 |
| timeless | ms licensed the tech to google | 20:12 |
| timeless | or google reverse engineered it, whichever | 20:12 |
| timeless | activesync is supported by a number of platforms | 20:12 |
| timeless | it's basically imap done right | 20:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | mhm | 20:12 |
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| jacekowski | shame that mail for exchange sucks | 20:13 |
| timeless | imap basically fails miserably | 20:13 |
| jacekowski | at least with zimbra | 20:13 |
| timeless | the imap protocol is: | 20:13 |
| timeless | 1. get the full message index | 20:13 |
| timeless | 2. ask the server if it's ok | 20:13 |
| korhojoa | timeless: i've got a dm600 if you would like it | 20:13 |
| timeless | my mail clients try it: | 20:13 |
| timeless | 1. message index please? | 20:13 |
| nox- | moin | 20:13 |
| timeless | 2. are you ok? | 20:13 |
| korhojoa | it's not hd-capable, but it works just fine. if you want, i'll stick in the newest firmware too | 20:13 |
| timeless | answer: no, thanks for asking | 20:13 |
| timeless | guess what the client does next? | 20:13 |
| jacekowski | and zimbra works nicely with everything except n900 | 20:13 |
| timeless | .... it goes back to step 1 | 20:14 |
| timeless | jacekowski: did anyone file a bug against zimbra/mfe? | 20:14 |
| jacekowski | yes | 20:14 |
| VDVsx | timeless, lol, Pop is even worst | 20:14 |
| jacekowski | there was couple bugs | 20:14 |
| timeless | what did they say? | 20:14 |
| jacekowski | that it's broken | 20:14 |
| timeless | vdvsx: technically pop shouldn't be | 20:14 |
| timeless | jacekowski: which it? | 20:14 |
| jacekowski | mail for sexchange | 20:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | technically I fail to see the point of imap | 20:15 |
| jacekowski | exchange i meant | 20:15 |
| jacekowski | well, imapidle | 20:15 |
| timeless | jacekowski: meaning the n900 client impl | 20:15 |
| jacekowski | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9513 | 20:15 |
| povbot | Bug 9513: N900 calendar resynchronization with Zimbra v6.0.5 will be broken after editing N900 calendar | 20:15 |
| timeless | or the zimbra server side? | 20:15 |
| jacekowski | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8191 | 20:15 |
| povbot | Bug 8191: MfE calendar (re)synchronization with Zimbra (version 5.0.x) fails | 20:15 |
| jacekowski | well zimbra works with everything except n900 | 20:15 |
| timeless | jacekowski: c5= "WFM" | 20:16 |
| timeless | if you have a problem, post logs | 20:16 |
| timeless | seriously | 20:16 |
| timeless | ranting is not appreciated, especially for components which provide decent logging | 20:16 |
| jacekowski | c5? | 20:16 |
| timeless | MfE is one of the very few which has it | 20:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | I mean, I want my mail _just_ downloaded and stored locally. If I were to use a server based always-online mail storage architecture, I'd use sshfs or something | 20:16 |
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| timeless | and yes, i have turned on logs and provided them | 20:16 |
| timeless | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9513#c5 | 20:16 |
| povbot | Bug 9513: N900 calendar resynchronization with Zimbra v6.0.5 will be broken after editing N900 calendar | 20:16 |
| timeless | note the anchor (c5) | 20:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | or a web mailer | 20:17 |
| jacekowski | and i had another problem with e-mails | 20:17 |
| timeless | doc: some of us don't have server access | 20:17 |
| jacekowski | that if it was html e-mail there was nothing showing up | 20:17 |
| jacekowski | in pr1.2 | 20:17 |
| timeless | anywa, please please please provide logs | 20:17 |
| jacekowski | and i switched to imap | 20:17 |
| jacekowski | pr1.1* | 20:17 |
| jacekowski | and never tried it in pr1.2 | 20:18 |
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| jacekowski | and i have little bit older zimbra | 20:18 |
| jacekowski | zcs-NETWORK-5.0.15_GA_2851.UBUNTU6.20090310180033.tgz | 20:18 |
| jacekowski | timeless: do you have full version of zimbra or something? | 20:18 |
| timeless | not handy | 20:19 |
| timeless | i'd rather someone else do basic logging first | 20:19 |
| timeless | if necessary i can arrange for this stuff | 20:19 |
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| jacekowski | i mean what version you are using? | 20:19 |
| timeless | but really, it shouldn't be my job | 20:19 |
| timeless | i'm not! | 20:19 |
| timeless | we use exchange server | 20:19 |
| timeless | the reporter of the bug you referenced said his problem went away | 20:19 |
| timeless | that means "worksforme[reporter]" | 20:19 |
| jacekowski | well, exchange and linux is a no go | 20:19 |
| timeless | well, there are two or three mfe services available | 20:20 |
| timeless | there's one which more or less committed to working w/ the n900 | 20:20 |
| timeless | and if you provide logs showing a problem | 20:20 |
| timeless | either the mfe team will work to fix it, or they can contact the zimbra team to work to fix it | 20:20 |
| timeless | if you don't provide logs, you're just wasting my time | 20:21 |
| timeless | and really, enabling logging in 1.2 is *trivial* | 20:21 |
| jacekowski | well, i just worked around the problem | 20:21 |
| timeless | ? | 20:21 |
| jacekowski | but i'll upgrade my zimbra | 20:21 |
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| jacekowski | and use proper mfe setup | 20:22 |
| * timeless hates users | 20:22 | |
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| timeless | wait, were you using an out of date product and complaining it wasn't bugfree? | 20:22 |
| * timeless really hates users | 20:22 | |
| jacekowski | well, it wasn't out of date not so long ago | 20:22 |
| timeless | that's like me complaining my VCR from 1988 doesn't handle HD tv well | 20:22 |
| jacekowski | it doesn't? | 20:23 |
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| timeless | well, no :) | 20:23 |
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| jacekowski | that sucks | 20:24 |
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| timeless | given that hd tv wasn't invtented until later, it's not particularly fair | 20:25 |
| timeless | which is the point | 20:25 |
| jacekowski | well, it's analogue | 20:26 |
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| jacekowski | so horizontal resolution should be close to infinite | 20:26 |
| jacekowski | which is well above HD | 20:26 |
| EdLin | jacekowski: it uses NTSC or PAL. | 20:27 |
| me1ne | hello maemoers... I am not quite sure if this could help me but: Is there a way to set n900 bluetooth MAC address? And can a MAC be all zeroes? | 20:27 |
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| jacekowski | horizontal resolution is still infinite | 20:27 |
| EdLin | me1ne: first question yes, second question, ordinarily no. | 20:27 |
| jacekowski | thats beauty of analogue signal | 20:28 |
| me1ne | EdLin, how would I go about changing it? | 20:28 |
| EdLin | me1ne: don't ask me, I just lurk here. ;-) I assume it can be done though. | 20:28 |
| jacekowski | single vhs tape stores about 1T of data | 20:29 |
| me1ne | ah well.. thx EdLin | 20:29 |
| EdLin | me1ne: look up the information for how to do it on Google for Linux or something. | 20:29 |
| MohammadAG51 | check how i got it working on nitubuntu me1ne | 20:29 |
| kerio | how do i reset all the hildon-thumbnails? | 20:30 |
| MohammadAG51 | modprobe hci_h4p ; echo "00:11:22:33:44:55" > /sys/devices/platform/hci_h4p/bdaddr ; modprobe -r hci_h4p ; modprobe hci_h4p | 20:30 |
| timeless | my vcr would have been american | 20:30 |
| timeless | and i'm in europe | 20:30 |
| timeless | so yeah, there are some minor details | 20:30 |
| timeless | plus the total lack of support for insane tech like scart | 20:31 |
| MohammadAG51 | scrat sucks :) | 20:31 |
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| me1ne | MohammadAG : aye will try | 20:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer | (<jacekowski> so horizontal resolution should be close to infinite) nope, it's limited to analog AV/RF bandwidth, which equals something around VGA usually | 20:45 |
| SpeedEvil | jacekowski: You get about 2MHz or so on a VHS, at maybe 4 bits. | 20:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | as @~4MHz there's the PAL color carrier that naturally limits bandwidth | 20:46 |
| SpeedEvil | This is ~a megabyte a second. Maybe 3.6G/hour | 20:46 |
| SpeedEvil | There is no subcarrier on VHS | 20:46 |
| SpeedEvil | The signal is remodulated, and the signal is altered. | 20:47 |
| SpeedEvil | IIRC | 20:47 |
| MohammadAG51 | hmm, a joke turns into a discussion on this channel | 20:47 |
| SpeedEvil | Hmm. | 20:47 |
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| SpeedEvil | I remember that the signal is encoded as a FM signal onto the tape with an ultimate bandwidth of up to 2M - but I forget how colour is enoced. | 20:47 |
| SpeedEvil | I had a danmere 'Backer' | 20:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG51: yes, if it's a poor joke, then of course | 20:48 |
| SpeedEvil | It did recording on stock video tape using normal VCRs. | 20:48 |
| SpeedEvil | IIRC it got about 600M/tape | 20:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: jacekowski was suggesting though that analog crt tv has infinite resolution on horizontal scan, which istn't true neither for RF nor for AV. It might *theoretically* be correct for RGB/component/svideo | 20:50 |
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| MohammadAG51 | since frozen-bubble was demoted, twice, for retarded reasons, i'm keeping it in -devel | 20:52 |
| kerio | MohammadAG: is it playable? | 20:52 |
| * kerio goes to install | 20:52 | |
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| timeless | why was it demoted? | 20:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | does it blend? | 20:53 |
| kerio | oh ffs it needs perl | 20:53 |
| MohammadAG51 | kerio, yes | 20:53 |
| * kerio doesn't install it | 20:53 | |
| MohammadAG51 | perl takes up rootfs space, blame Nokia | 20:53 |
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| MohammadAG51 | timeless, that's why | 20:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-/ | 20:53 |
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| MohammadAG51 | DocScrutinizer, it needs Qt 4.7.3 to blend | 20:54 |
| MohammadAG51 | pr1.3 | 20:54 |
| SpeedEvil | jacekowski: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=52794 | 20:55 |
| SpeedEvil | horizontal resolution on the n900 - I did some research. | 20:55 |
| kerio | SpeedEvil: it's... 800? | 20:55 |
| SpeedEvil | no | 20:55 |
| SpeedEvil | Way under | 20:55 |
| kerio | ghgh | 20:55 |
| kerio | :O | 20:55 |
| kerio | :( | 20:55 |
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| DocScrutinizer | on AV I suppose? | 20:56 |
| kerio | it looks 800x480 | 20:56 |
| kerio | oh, the AV | 20:56 |
| kerio | whew | 20:56 |
| kerio | 640x480i60 for ntsc, 768x576i50 for pal? | 20:57 |
| SpeedEvil | yes | 20:57 |
| SpeedEvil | kerio: no, you can't do that. | 20:57 |
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| SpeedEvil | kerio: It's more like 460*480 for NTSC - or close to that. | 20:58 |
| timeless | is this ignoring interlacing? | 20:58 |
| kerio | that sucks ._. | 20:58 |
| SpeedEvil | Interlacing is completely irrelevant to horizontal resolution. | 20:58 |
| SpeedEvil | Well - if you compare between an interlaced signal, and one with the same vertical resolution. | 20:59 |
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| luke-jr | interlacing is basically half vertical resolution, double framerate | 20:59 |
| luke-jr | with a skew | 20:59 |
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| SpeedEvil | It's a hack to keep vertical resolution and double the framerate | 21:00 |
| SpeedEvil | that mostly works with CRT displays. | 21:00 |
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| luke-jr | can work on LCD fine | 21:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: >>At best it would be mono. Even if it's possible at all.<< eh? why that? | 21:01 |
| SpeedEvil | monochrome | 21:01 |
| luke-jr | just not necessarily any more efficient than progressive | 21:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | aah | 21:01 |
| * luke-jr wonders why no video players actually have a sane implementation of interlacing | 21:01 | |
| trumee | are .ogg streams decoded by dsp? | 21:01 |
| SpeedEvil | luke-jr: CRT works better fundamentally. | 21:01 |
| luke-jr | trumee: ofc not | 21:01 |
| trumee | luke-jr: what about mp3? | 21:02 |
| luke-jr | trumee: nfc | 21:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | depends | 21:02 |
| SpeedEvil | luke-jr: As with CRTs, a large portion of the light comes out at the exact point that the beam hits the screen, or a tiny fraction later. The rest comes out later. | 21:02 |
| trumee | what eats less battery .ogg or .mp3 | 21:02 |
| luke-jr | trumee: but .ogg is too simple to waste DSP on | 21:02 |
| SpeedEvil | trumee: mp3 | 21:02 |
| kerio | what about .oggs that are actually mp3? | 21:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | I knew he'd ask that | 21:02 |
| timeless | um | 21:02 |
| SpeedEvil | trumee: At least according to some measurements. | 21:02 |
| SpeedEvil | trumee: however. | 21:03 |
| timeless | are you guys talking about .ogv or .oga? | 21:03 |
| SpeedEvil | trumee: It's largely irrelevant unless you killpulseaudio. | 21:03 |
| trumee | i want to setup icecast server, and was wondering which format to choose (.ogg vs mp3) | 21:03 |
| luke-jr | timeless: I'm talking about .ogg container | 21:03 |
| timeless | the container isn't interesting... | 21:03 |
| SpeedEvil | trumee: It's pretty irrelevant. | 21:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://tuomas.kulve.fi/blog/2009/11/07/n900-battery-duration-ogg-vs-mp3/ | 21:03 |
| luke-jr | timeless: I agree | 21:03 |
| luke-jr | but that's what .ogg is | 21:03 |
| luke-jr | a container | 21:03 |
| timeless | theora/vorbis are interesting | 21:04 |
| trumee | ogg Vorbis files | 21:04 |
| luke-jr | he didn't ask about those | 21:04 |
| timeless | as is/are mpeg-audio v. mpeg-video (e.g. layer 3? or 4?) | 21:04 |
| SpeedEvil | The container can be interesting if it stops the hardware understanding it. | 21:05 |
| trumee | luke-jr: so what about vorbis files? | 21:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer | hardware understands containers? | 21:05 |
| ShadowJK | ogg the container is mostly embarassing | 21:05 |
| trumee | DocScrutinizer: that links shows mp3 is better than ogg | 21:06 |
| kerio | trumee: read moar | 21:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep | 21:06 |
| kerio | ffvorbis gives the same battery life | 21:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | moar! | 21:06 |
| kerio | and pulseaudio's forced equalizer sucks 3 hours of battery life | 21:07 |
| kerio | the asshole | 21:07 |
| trumee | what is the difference between libvorbis and ffvorbis? | 21:07 |
| ShadowJK | libvorbis is the vorbis decoder by xiph.org | 21:08 |
| ShadowJK | ffvorbis is part of ffmpeg, it's an independent implementation | 21:08 |
| trumee | so is ffvorbis picked used by N900 media player? | 21:08 |
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| ShadowJK | the ffmpeg people are kinda awesome. Implemented google's "patent-free" VP8 in 1000 lines of code, thanks to vp@having so much in common with h264 ;) | 21:09 |
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| timeless | h264?? | 21:10 |
| trumee | N900 uses libvorbis or ffvorbis? | 21:10 |
| trumee | media player i mean. | 21:10 |
| timeless | don't you mean vorbis? | 21:10 |
| SpeedEvil | Random. Does anyone happen to know how to go from flash video to mpeg/avi or something with ffmpeg? I do ffmpeg file.flv -o test.mpg or whatever, and it gets upset due to completely screwed timestamps on the video | 21:11 |
| SpeedEvil | ffplay plays it fine. | 21:11 |
| trumee | The stream is coded into vorbis, but about the decoder in N900? | 21:11 |
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| ShadowJK | timeless, no I mean vp8 is similar to h264 | 21:11 |
| ShadowJK | vorbis is audio and vp8 is video, they share almost 0 code | 21:12 |
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| kerio | is there something that brings up the tracker somehow? | 21:14 |
| kerio | because i bet the slow transfer speeds via wifi are because of that fucker | 21:14 |
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| SpeedEvil | What speeds d oyou get? | 21:17 |
| SpeedEvil | I get ~1.5M/s | 21:17 |
| nox- | heh yeah i had to replace a html tree with a zipfile + python httpd hack bc tracker sucked too much cpu/battery indexing the tree... | 21:18 |
| nox- | tracker and image-viewer probably too | 21:18 |
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| kerio | SpeedEvil: sftp, 300kb/s to 1mb/s | 21:20 |
| kerio | but yeah, i could fifo something for a python httpd on my computer, or just socat a tarball | 21:21 |
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| kerio | or i could upload it somewhere that's not tracked | 21:22 |
| timeless | or you could tell trackerd to ignore that directory | 21:22 |
| timeless | it is after all configurable | 21:22 |
| timeless | yeah, i know, it's stupid for it to be flexibl | 21:22 |
| timeless | e | 21:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer | trackerd *is* stupid | 21:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | or - to be precise - the way it's used on maemo is stupid | 21:24 |
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| * DocScrutinizer pondering an adaequately stupid UI to configure subdirectories as noscan for tracker, plus force-scan indexing of a subtree/directory | 21:28 | |
| nox- | image-viewer does this too i think | 21:28 |
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| DocScrutinizer | yes, also uses tracker aiui | 21:28 |
| nox- | well it didnt seem to respect tracker's noscan config too :( | 21:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's really making my a.. bleed when I see the buttons of irreco in image-viewer :-P | 21:29 |
| nox- | hehe | 21:29 |
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| MohammadAG51 | DocScrutinizer, better than seeing world flags cause of the world cup widget | 21:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | ouuuuch | 21:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer | tracker for conqueror of galaxy! | 21:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | MohammadAG51: I bet there's regions of this planet where a police/military control and checking your phone would really get you into trouble with all those flags | 21:38 |
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| MohammadAG51 | DocScrutinizer, yeah, i'm targetting all countries that participated in the world cup | 21:39 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | 'mhm yo sucker! flag of Kuba. Take this, dirty commie' | 21:41 |
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| moriarty | Hi! I recently bought a N900, and I'm playing around with it, but I couldn't manage to add either the extras-testing or the extras-devel repos. The app manager log (and tried comman line apt-get update too) gives me a 404 Not found http error. However, on my desktop I can access the Package and Package.gz files | 21:42 |
| moriarty | what else can I try? | 21:42 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | 'look there, Cliff. he's got a Russia flag too. Bring me my winchester!' | 21:42 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | moriarty: check the wiki about extras-devel/testing | 21:44 |
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| moriarty | @DocScrutinizer: yeap, already did that | 21:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | "Steve, you changed the password of your phone? I want to call the kids" - "WAIT darling, it's ummm.. broken. Been broken. I changed it... yesterday" >ssh root@n900 rm -r ~user/MyDocs/.mySecretPr0n; *pfff* - "...the new password is..." | 21:50 |
| moriarty | @DocScrutinizer: the repository is set up correctly | 21:51 |
| moriarty | there was a similar problem reported in the forum | 21:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm, maybe the repos are down. Happens every now and then | 21:51 |
| moriarty | the guy solved it by removing and readding the repo | 21:51 |
| moriarty | I did that as well | 21:51 |
| moriarty | well, no, because on my desktop it does work | 21:52 |
| moriarty | and I have been trying for a week | 21:52 |
| moriarty | I've seen that repository.maemo.org is hosted on Akamai | 21:53 |
| moriarty | so you get different IPs, depending on your ISP | 21:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | apt also does update correctly right ATM | 21:53 |
| moriarty | so I manually added an entry to a known good IP | 21:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | check your spelling | 21:54 |
| moriarty | in /etc/hosts | 21:54 |
| moriarty | again. I get not found | 21:54 |
| moriarty | I checked the spelling again and again | 21:54 |
| moriarty | isn't apt stroring some strange stuff somewhere | 21:54 |
| moriarty | ? | 21:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | can you access the URL via browser on N900? or just ping it? | 21:54 |
| moriarty | ping yes | 21:55 |
| moriarty | since I get HTTP 404 error | 21:55 |
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| moriarty | but I will try the browser as well | 21:55 |
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| nox- | yeah akamai seems to have issues sometimes... like n900 cant browse pages that pc sees from the same notwork :( | 21:57 |
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| moriarty | yes, and because of that I tested to see which IPs are resolved for the name | 21:58 |
| moriarty | they were different | 21:58 |
| moriarty | so I added the IP I got on my desktop | 21:58 |
| moriarty | and which worked for sure | 21:58 |
| moriarty | still to no avail | 21:59 |
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| nox- | stupid akamai :( | 22:01 |
| moriarty | ok, I now tried to access with the browser http://repository.maemo.org/extras-testing/dists/freemantle/free/binary-armel/ | 22:01 |
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| moriarty | there is it | 22:01 |
| moriarty | packages | 22:01 |
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| nox- | hm could you make n900 send a pc useragent string? | 22:02 |
| MohammadAG51 | about:config | 22:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | got timeout on http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras-devel, so probably servers are flawed | 22:02 |
| * MohammadAG51 punches X-Fade | 22:02 | |
| MohammadAG51 | pokes* | 22:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | if wiki is nonresponsive, the repos may as well | 22:02 |
| nox- | wiki really seems to be overworked sometimes... :( | 22:02 |
| tybollt | MohammadAG51++ | 22:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer | moriarty: see http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras-testing#How_to_activate_Extras-testing and http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras-devel, there's not much more you can do except making sure catalogs are configured correctly in Hildon App Manager | 22:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG51: why punch X-Fade ? | 22:06 |
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| moriarty | @DocScrutinizer: ok, thanks for the help! | 22:07 |
| moriarty | @DocScrutinizer: I will keep trying | 22:07 |
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| DocScrutinizer | moriarty: if problems persist, check what else might interfere with general connectivity and/or with installing packages (e.g. fapman) | 22:09 |
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| tybollt | fapman? o_O | 22:11 |
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| MohammadAG51 | DocScrutinizer, mind if i ask you some stuff about sed later today? | 22:12 |
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| ham5 | where can I set it to open the month calendar when I click on the desktop widget? | 22:32 |
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| * kirma wonders if there are any good books for most recent Qt releases and features coming on them, like QSharedPointer etc etc | 22:37 | |
| luke-jr | yet more evidence Qt is not C++ :p | 22:38 |
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| kirma | well, OTOH C++ is a language that lacks any sort of consistent programming style that would be obvious and commonly accepted | 22:39 |
| kirma | which is IMHO a design failure of sorts for a language | 22:39 |
| luke-jr | no comment ☺ | 22:40 |
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| luke-jr | my point is simply that Qt is a new language itsefl | 22:40 |
| kirma | well, at least it's not Symbian "C++" ... :I | 22:40 |
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| luke-jr | after all, C++ has std::shared_ptr | 22:41 |
| luke-jr | if Qt was just a toolkit for C++, it wouldn't make sense to reinvent the wheel | 22:41 |
| kirma | but of course it's a subset of C++ with certain kind of programming style and... would I say, "patternology" bound to a specific C++ toolkit | 22:41 |
| luke-jr | it's a superset of C++ | 22:42 |
| luke-jr | Qt is a language compatible with mixing C++ and C to a limited degree | 22:42 |
| luke-jr | just like C++ is a language compatible with mixing C to a limited degreee | 22:42 |
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| kirma | I haven't written C++ for like 14 years, but I'd like to learn at least Qt since there isn't entirely supported, up-to-date on a language that would make me interested | 22:42 |
| kirma | ehm, other language binding | 22:43 |
| luke-jr | you can write Qt without touching another language | 22:43 |
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| kirma | well, let's say that I'd like to write Qt stuff with Python, but it's obvious the bindings and their support aren't really the same as "native" Qt | 22:44 |
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| luke-jr | ta's nI mean | 22:45 |
| * luke-jr stabs keyboard | 22:45 | |
| luke-jr | that's not what I mean | 22:45 |
| luke-jr | I mean you can write Qt code without using C++, Python, or any language other than Qt | 22:45 |
| luke-jr | http://doc.qt.nokia.com/4.6/index.html | 22:46 |
| kirma | I actually think I jump directly to 4.7 on my attempt to learn | 22:46 |
| luke-jr | then you create applications dependant on an unreleased version | 22:47 |
| kirma | although there's not much else than the declarative/QML stuff there that really adds to average Qt stuff | 22:47 |
| luke-jr | might actually be better to start with 4.5, since I'm not sure 4.6 is widely deployed yet | 22:47 |
| kirma | I'm not even planning to "release" anything during couple next months | 22:47 |
| kirma | and it's pretty obvious Qt 4.7 should be released in couple months | 22:48 |
| luke-jr | and probably never for N8x0, and maybe not for N900 | 22:48 |
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| kirma | I'm primarily interested of mobile platforms, anyway, although the interest is general | 22:48 |
| kirma | luke-jr: at least on Qt git repos, there are branches referring to both PR1.3 and qt4.7 on the same name | 22:49 |
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| luke-jr | kirma: that doesn't mean Nokia will ever release it | 22:49 |
| kirma | of course | 22:49 |
| luke-jr | even if they do, that doesn't cover N8x0 :p | 22:49 |
| luke-jr | yeah, looks like N8x0 is still 4.5 | 22:50 |
| kirma | about that... I don't really care. it doesn't cover my 770 either, and I'm not cursing about it ;) | 22:50 |
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| luke-jr | on the other hand… I doubt Maemo will be used much longer on either platform | 22:50 |
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| kirma | if I'm thinking about mass deployment of actual applications, there's no need me to emotionally attach myself on N900, it's a marginal device even if it would get perfect support. for mobile Qt, it'll be existing Symbian installed base (starting from S60v3something), future S^3,4,5... and MeeGo | 22:52 |
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| kirma | I believe Nokia will support rudimentary support (forget implementing your own mapping plugins on old devices and getting them on the navigator, for instance) support of 4.7 even on S60v3 devices, and probably 4.8 or whatever too | 22:54 |
| kirma | they want to build a believable migration path and existing installed base for the toolkit | 22:55 |
| kirma | -support -support :) | 22:55 |
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| luke-jr | kirma: anything written for 4.5 will work with 4.6+ | 22:55 |
| kirma | that's also true, of course | 22:56 |
| luke-jr | or at least that was the case pre-Nokia | 22:56 |
| luke-jr | I imagine still is | 22:56 |
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| kirma | but there's no sign of "big launch" of Qt on Nokia handsets to be anything less than 4.7 | 22:56 |
| luke-jr | also keep in mind release does not imply used | 22:57 |
| kirma | I mean, 4.7 is supported all through the product families that can even be considered in-use generation | 22:57 |
| luke-jr | many operating systems released on a 3 year cycle | 22:57 |
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| luke-jr | so it will be up to 3 years after 4.7 is released before it gets deployed fully | 22:57 |
| kirma | for that purpose, they provide Qt Easy Installer or whatever for existing Symbian devices that are not ancient | 22:58 |
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| luke-jr | … | 22:58 |
| kirma | I see random UTF-8 mess in latin-1 terminal :) | 22:59 |
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| DangerMaus | luke-jr are you familar with the accelerometre? | 22:59 |
| luke-jr | DangerMaus: no | 22:59 |
| luke-jr | kirma: it's an elipsis | 23:00 |
| luke-jr | kirma: for example, Debian is using Qt 4.3 still | 23:00 |
| luke-jr | released February 2009 | 23:01 |
| luke-jr | (the most recent Debian version) | 23:01 |
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| kirma | oh well, these kind of limitations exist. at this point I'm not interested of them too much... in professional work, I write plain C with the C standard library, and that's pretty much it. this is at the moment hobbyist study. | 23:02 |
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| DangerMaus | im looking for a reaon other than i broke it that everytime the phone takes a light hit such as putting it down something happens like screen minamizes or desktop edit comes on in my pocket :( | 23:02 |
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| DangerMaus | looking for a switch or somethimg doing this i thought of the accelerometre | 23:04 |
| jani | luke-jr: i belive nokia hasnt changed much how tihngs work in qt level and even then, if there is breakage, it will be trolls who make the decision,not some nokia exec. | 23:04 |
| DangerMaus | any ideas appreciated | 23:04 |
| luke-jr | kirma: also, the next version of Debian (6.0) will include Qt 4.6 no matter if 4.7 is released in the meantime | 23:05 |
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| kirma | well, difference between 4.6 and 4.7 is mostly related to Qt Quick/QML/declarative stuff, which isn't awfully important on desktops with conventional UIs... since QML stuff at the moment doesn't seem to represent conventional desktop UIs at all | 23:06 |
| kirma | if I understood it right | 23:06 |
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| jani | luke-jr: and thats tells more about debian and their decisions, not what qt does or accomplishes ;) | 23:07 |
| luke-jr | jani: it's also good practice | 23:07 |
| luke-jr | jani: and Qt is useless if the version you use precludes real people using your app | 23:07 |
| jani | ofcourse but hardly a qt's blame. allthou im sure the issue wasnt about blaming anyone | 23:07 |
| luke-jr | nope | 23:08 |
| luke-jr | just that it's better to use a slightly older version when possible | 23:08 |
| jani | some people have that sort of luxury yes ;) | 23:09 |
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| alterego | Has anyone managed to get the qt4.7 toolchain to work with madde? | 23:37 |
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| MohammadAG51 | alterego, use a proper devkit | 23:38 |
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| alterego | MohammadAG51: ? Like scratchbox? :P | 23:40 |
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| alterego | Think I might have found out how to get it to work .. | 23:43 |
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