| DocScrutinizer | could we run microb in a chroot, or flash in a sandbox, or whatever? | 00:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer | user microb ? | 00:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | and user microb has write permisions to MyDocs only | 00:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer | will be a bombastic migraine I guess, as microb is a support function for so many other services | 00:04 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer: the latest firefox can run flash in a separate process | 00:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | mhm | 00:04 |
| kerio | i guess it wouldn't be hard to run *that* inside a sandbox | 00:04 |
| kerio | without having to sandbox the whole browser | 00:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep | 00:05 |
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| E0x | yay i did my first widget that do something | 00:05 |
| E0x | :D | 00:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer | now for a shell 5liner to fix that borked gainroot... | 00:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | who is or does update-sudoers ? | 00:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | s/who/what (process)/ | 00:07 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer meant: what (process) is or does update-sudoers ? | 00:07 |
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| ds3 | if the author for gpsrecorder is here, THANK YOU for adding the thumbtack thingie | 00:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ouch, I don't want my thumb tacked :-) | 00:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer | wb everybody | 00:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~ping | 00:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-/ | 00:41 |
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| infobot | ~pong | 00:41 |
| kerio | ~botsnack | 00:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~botsnack | 00:41 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer: aw, gee | 00:41 |
| kerio | :( | 00:42 |
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| infobot | kerio: thanks | 00:42 |
| luke-jr | ~botsnack | 00:43 |
| infobot | aw, gee, luke-jr | 00:43 |
| kerio | ^_^ | 00:43 |
| kerio | ~docsnack | 00:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer | blargh kerio - rancid! | 00:44 |
| kerio | why you ungrateful... | 00:45 |
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| DocScrutinizer | it wasn't good! gimme another | 00:48 |
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| kerio | ~docsnack | 00:48 |
| * infobot snaps the snack in a flying jump, and runs to bring it to DocScrutinizer. Halfway there, eats snack | 00:48 | |
| kerio | hehe | 00:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-S | 00:48 |
| kerio | poor DocScrutinizer | 00:48 |
| kerio | where are you running infobot, btw? | 00:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer | kerio: your punctuation is abyssmal. >> where are you running, infobot, btw?<< | 00:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I guess she won't answer | 00:51 |
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| smhar | is the user account for bugs.maemo.org different than talk.maemo.org? | 01:08 |
| jacekowski | have you seen new opera | 01:08 |
| jacekowski | with faster JS | 01:08 |
| jacekowski | Our further-optimized JavaScript engine is over 50% faster than in Opera 10.50. | 01:08 |
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| GAN900 | smhar, yes. | 01:11 |
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| smhar | my God, how many accounts do I need to keep track of?! :-) | 01:11 |
| GAN900 | smhar, Talk predates bugzilla by a few months | 01:12 |
| GAN900 | And Talk started off as internettablettalk.com | 01:13 |
| GAN900 | Not maemo.org | 01:13 |
| GAN900 | and 3 accounts. :) | 01:13 |
| lcuk | GAN900, o_O didn't know | 01:13 |
| lcuk | bug #1 has comments from april 28 2005 | 01:13 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1 test - ignore it | 01:13 |
| lcuk | wheres earliest "first post" in tmo? | 01:14 |
| smhar | they could have used the same account for bugzilla, what is the 3rd? | 01:14 |
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| GAN900 | smhar, Garage | 01:16 |
| GAN900 | smhar, for Bugzilla and Talk? No, no they couldn't have | 01:16 |
| lcuk | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=39 is earliest thread I can find, posted july 27 2005 | 01:16 |
| GAN900 | That's why I told you they were started as separate websites. | 01:16 |
| GAN900 | lcuk, bugzilla was private initially, I believe. | 01:16 |
| GAN900 | But I hadn't realized bug #1 was that old. | 01:17 |
| GAN900 | So, scratch that, reverse it. | 01:17 |
| GAN900 | /Wonka | 01:17 |
| lcuk | GAN900, sure, understandable, just looking at the uber coolness that is the start! | 01:17 |
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| lcuk | i once did same for slashdot, that has such humble beginnings too! | 01:17 |
| smhar | but do I really need to have an account just to view the bugs? | 01:18 |
| lcuk | heh, that bug1 got bumped again this year :D | 01:18 |
| lcuk | no, you can view openly i believe? | 01:18 |
| lcuk | bug 10000 | 01:18 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10000 Overwriting of devices in PAIRED DEVICES LIST | 01:18 |
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| lcuk | can you see that ^ | 01:19 |
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| GAN900 | smhar, no. . . . | 01:20 |
| GAN900 | smhar, remove httpS | 01:20 |
| lcuk | oh yeah | 01:20 |
| smhar | yes.. thanks. I followed a link that did not show anything, probably for reporting bugs: https://bugs.maemo.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=DreamRemote | 01:20 |
| MohammadAG | is there an api to get gps coordinates using a shell? | 01:21 |
| lcuk | do shells know their location? I thought they had hermit crabs in? | 01:21 |
| GAN900 | smhar, yes, that's a reporting bug. | 01:22 |
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| GAN900 | smhar, you'll want to use Advanced search to view all bugs for a product. | 01:22 |
| MohammadAG | guess not | 01:22 |
| * MohammadAG uses the reverse engineer method | 01:22 | |
| lcuk | MohammadAG, i think you can though | 01:23 |
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| lcuk | luke-jr, must have found a way at some point | 01:23 |
| MohammadAG | yeah, the reverse engineer method :P | 01:23 |
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| MohammadAG | strace -p $(pidof location-daemon) -e read=6 2>&1|grep '| 000' | 01:23 |
| GAN900 | The fact that it's a function of the modem makes things retardedly complicated. | 01:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer | damn! since I edited my wiki/user:talk page for a test, I get >>You have new messages (last change).<< notifier on *every* wiki page, and nothing makes this crap vanish :-/ | 01:31 |
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| luke-jr | GAN900: not really | 01:32 |
| luke-jr | MohammadAG: there's a Python API | 01:32 |
| MohammadAG | Python != Shell though | 01:33 |
| luke-jr | MohammadAG: for Gentoo, there's gpsd | 01:33 |
| MohammadAG | I'm on maemo | 01:33 |
| luke-jr | python - <<\CODE | 01:33 |
| luke-jr | :p | 01:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: you're a reversed engineer? :-P | 01:40 |
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| lcuk | lol | 01:40 |
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| crashanddie | GAN900: http://www.flickr.com/photos/slauwers/4886039427/ | 01:48 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, no, I reverse engineers | 01:49 |
| crashanddie | is that a euphemism? | 01:50 |
| * MohammadAG reverses DocScrutinizer | 01:50 | |
| GAN900 | crashanddie, how's work? | 01:50 |
| * DocScrutinizer is totally symmetric. You won't notice a difference | 01:50 | |
| crashanddie | tiring | 01:50 |
| MohammadAG | When it reaches -devel, prolly in the next 15 mins, knock yourself out, http://maemo.org/packages/vieew/phone-control/ | 01:51 |
| crashanddie | going through hardcore training, with a guy who has a brain wired at 8000 miles an hour | 01:51 |
| MohammadAG | bah, http://maemo.org/packages/view/phone-control/ | 01:51 |
| MohammadAG | Does mostly everything here, http://wiki.maemo.org/Phone_control cam not tested | 01:52 |
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| crashanddie | anyway, off to bed | 01:56 |
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| chi | which filesystem for sd for n900? | 01:59 |
| chi | vfat? | 02:00 |
| yuizy__ | what is the best way to get a map widget in a qt n900 program? | 02:01 |
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| SpeedEvil | http://maemo.org/community/maemo-developers/qt_map_widget/ | 02:04 |
| SpeedEvil | yuizy__: | 02:05 |
| SpeedEvil | some thoughts (largely not mine) | 02:05 |
| chi | okay just going to try vfat tomorrow since i left my charger | 02:05 |
| chi | hope i'm right | 02:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer | vfat should work | 02:14 |
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| mcepl | how good is bandwidth on repository.maemo.org? Connection there timeouts on me all the time | 02:54 |
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| DocScrutinizer | bad "weather" - try again later | 03:01 |
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| Mr_Nobu | sweet fucking metero shower the night :D | 03:01 |
| Mr_Nobu | *meteor | 03:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer | fsckng clouds | 03:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | not even a +8 iridum flare came thru | 03:03 |
| Mr_Nobu | fair enough | 03:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=784527#post784527 pleeeease tell me his exact coords so I can program the minuteman - this ignorant A... | 03:18 |
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| zeltak | hya..just came back from linxucon..played a bit with the new mameo phone ;-) (intel dev unit) | 03:27 |
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| zeltak | i meant new meego phone obviously ;-) | 03:31 |
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| TermanaN900 | morning | 03:35 |
| zeltak | btw how can one create a shortcut to run a cli app i tried osso-xterm -e COMMANd but that dosent seem to work | 03:35 |
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| merlincorey | zeltak: I don't know, but I would imagine that if you looked at whatever irssi does you should do that | 03:49 |
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| TermanaN900 | I think im a cyber criminal now. I thought i'd do some unsecured phpmyadmin sites last night | 03:50 |
| MohammadAG | can someone help with /etc/hosts? | 03:50 |
| * MohammadAG wants to redirect facebook.com to some local site | 03:50 | |
| TermanaN900 | and i "accidently" dropped a sites main table | 03:50 |
| TermanaN900 | now their site is borked. hope they have a backup | 03:50 |
| TermanaN900 | :P | 03:50 |
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| TermanaN900 | If not, i've taught them the important lesson of backups | 03:51 |
| TermanaN900 | MohammadAG, add this to your /etc/hosts file: | 03:52 |
| TermanaN900 | 127.0.0.1 facebook.com | 03:53 |
| MohammadAG | mohammad@mohammad-laptop:~$ cat /etc/hosts | 03:53 |
| MohammadAG | 127.0.0.1localhost facebook.com | 03:53 |
| TermanaN900 | do it on a seperate line | 03:53 |
| TermanaN900 | so | 03:53 |
| TermanaN900 | 127.0.0.1 localhost | 03:54 |
| TermanaN900 | 127.0.0.1 facebook.com | 03:54 |
| TermanaN900 | it might work on a singular line, but :P i dont know | 03:54 |
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| zeltak | what email clients do you guys use? im looking for something fast and low resource? | 04:03 |
| matthew- | zeltak: mail.app | 04:03 |
| matthew- | :) | 04:03 |
| zeltak | :) | 04:04 |
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| GAN900 | Who wants to start taking bets on how many releases we have left? | 04:18 |
| GAN900 | My money's on 0-1. | 04:18 |
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| mcepl | DocScrutinizer: awesome, clouds went away, and now I have my rapier :) | 04:18 |
| GAN900 | Nokia is really a clueless company. | 04:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | mcepl: lemme check :-) maybe my clouds also are gone now :-) | 04:19 |
| GAN900 | Talk about screwing over your contributors. | 04:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | GAN900: except feeling the urge to ask you "you noticed now?" - what's up, pal? | 04:20 |
| GAN900 | DocScrutinizer, just tired of the endless BS. | 04:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-S | 04:21 |
| GAN900 | Rather irritated about the fact that I apparently wasted the last 5 years of my hobby time on them. | 04:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | yay, such bad mood | 04:21 |
| mcepl | DocScrutinizer: well, I've bought N900 just day before yesterday, and I have to admit that I am still getting over the shock, that N900 is apparently not supported on Ovi. | 04:21 |
| GAN900 | DocScrutinizer, resigned, mostly. | 04:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | mcepl: well, tbh ovi is the LAST thing I'm missing | 04:22 |
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| mcepl | yeah, but it tells something about the engagement of Nokia with N900 | 04:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer | just about to pick up loose ends of hostmode discussion and wondering where and why we got stuck | 04:23 |
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| GAN900 | mcepl, not supported by Nokia at all, actually. | 04:23 |
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| GAN900 | You probably wouldn't have guessed from the advertising, but it's EoL. | 04:24 |
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| zeltak | seriously now..ive been searching mameo.org and google for like 20 minutes..id appriciate your email app recomendation guys..whda you guys use? | 04:33 |
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| SpeedEvil | zeltak: thunderbird on laptop | 04:34 |
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| zeltak | ok so no one uses email on the n900..gotcha... | 04:36 |
| SpeedEvil | I use email very rarely. | 04:36 |
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| SpeedEvil | I suppose you've tried modest? | 04:36 |
| zeltak | yeah the default email app? seems very cluncky and got a bad rap on maemo.org :) | 04:37 |
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| SpeedEvil | You can always submit patches. | 04:39 |
| MohammadAG51 | or rewrites | 04:39 |
| SpeedEvil | Or whole new apps. | 04:39 |
| MohammadAG51 | femail | 04:39 |
| MohammadAG51 | faster email, sounds like female | 04:40 |
| MohammadAG51 | excellent name, just like fapman | 04:40 |
| zeltak | ok...sorry for asking... | 04:42 |
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| SpeedEvil | Asking is fine, maybe you'll even get an answer! | 04:47 |
| SpeedEvil | :) | 04:47 |
| SpeedEvil | I don't actually recall any email apps in extras. | 04:48 |
| SpeedEvil | Lots of communication and ... | 04:48 |
| zeltak | k thx SpeedEvil ill just use the built in mail app | 04:49 |
| SpeedEvil | If you're having particular issues with it, you might consider raising a bug on the bugrtracker. | 04:50 |
| SpeedEvil | I don't know if this would do anything. | 04:50 |
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| zeltak | kk thx again | 05:02 |
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| iilius | is there any way ro manually define folders to be shown in file manager? | 05:05 |
| iilius | it does not show root (/) and mmclk0p1 (mounted in /usr) | 05:06 |
| iilius | and memory card with ext3 fs (that is mounted in /data) | 05:07 |
| iilius | acually the file manager does not show anything | 05:07 |
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| iilius | and i can not take any picture with the camera | 05:09 |
| tank-man | i use the gpe (?) file manager | 05:10 |
| iilius | i really crawed to move /usr outside of tiny rootfs, and then ... | 05:10 |
| iilius | tank-man: thanks, but what about camera folder? | 05:11 |
| tank-man | sorry i can't help with that | 05:12 |
| MohammadAG | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=784834#post784834 | 05:12 |
| iilius | tank-man: thanks anyway | 05:13 |
| iilius | oh gpe fm is very nice :D | 05:17 |
| iilius | MohammadAG: can it change camera folder? i can not find anything | 05:24 |
| MohammadAG | what? | 05:27 |
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| iilius | camera problem sol. | 05:34 |
| iilius | solved | 05:34 |
| iilius | i think it was permission problem | 05:35 |
| iilius | was unable to write on MyDocs | 05:35 |
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| mcepl | I have two vey silly questions: a) is there an app which would display a current layout of my keyboard (how to do a long vowles on a Czech keyboard)? b) how to actually take a picture with a camera? (I am ashamed of the last one, but I repeat myself "There are no stupid questions, just stupid answers" :)) | 05:50 |
| mcepl | *vowels | 05:51 |
| Ken-Young | mcepl, I can maybe help with b). | 05:51 |
| mcepl | so? | 05:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer | mcepl: the cam part should be easy? | 05:51 |
| Ken-Young | mcepl, When you open the camera lens cover, do you see an app launched that shows the camera view? | 05:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | open slider, press trigger | 05:51 |
| mcepl | trigger? | 05:52 |
| Ken-Young | right top button. | 05:52 |
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| DocScrutinizer | the cam trigger pressbutton | 05:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | loccated where right handed people would expect it | 05:52 |
| mcepl | that tells me I can shutdown display, kill the current app etc. That's probably not a right button? | 05:52 |
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| DocScrutinizer | that's center button? | 05:53 |
| Ken-Young | mcepl, That's the center button, I believe. | 05:53 |
| Ken-Young | Go right, young man. | 05:53 |
| mcepl | yes, works! | 05:53 |
| mcepl | silly me | 05:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | oh my, it's late | 05:53 |
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| N900dude | its a damn shame the conference in november will be called meego and not maemo dont ya agree? | 06:04 |
| Ken-Young | Don't worry - it'll be called something else next year. | 06:05 |
| N900dude | Ken-Young: exactly | 06:06 |
| Ken-Young | My guess: "moobiboobi" | 06:06 |
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| N900dude | or... "nogomeego" | 06:07 |
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| TiagoTiago | hi | 06:08 |
| N900dude | good luck attracting developers.....silly names dont help | 06:08 |
| Ken-Young | Too late to worry about that. | 06:08 |
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| TiagoTiago | well, just when i thought i had fixed the issue the damn thing fights back, at first jsut renaming .mozilla to mozilla (sans dot) fixed the issue, but now the .mozilla folder is being recreated automaticly each time i strt microB and the inifinite refreshing is back Dx | 06:09 |
| TiagoTiago | start* | 06:09 |
| N900dude | is firefox worth installing? | 06:10 |
| N900dude | on n900 i mean | 06:10 |
| Ken-Young | It does some things a little bit better. | 06:10 |
| mcepl | it depends on what you need it for | 06:10 |
| TiagoTiago | any idea how i can get this fixed ? | 06:10 |
| N900dude | what is it better at than the stock browser? | 06:11 |
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| Ken-Young | N900dude, As a trivial example, the stock browser does not work well with the google translate page - you must type each character twice. No such problem with Firefox. | 06:11 |
| N900dude | i see | 06:12 |
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| Ken-Young | My guess is you'll find some things work better with one browser, some with the other, so it's worth having both. | 06:12 |
| N900dude | man theres a lotta negative people over at talk.maemo.org | 06:12 |
| TiagoTiago | the stuff about "Nokia abandoned us" and "iPhone does it better" ? | 06:13 |
| N900dude | that too... and people getting rid of their n900s | 06:13 |
| TiagoTiago | what reasons are they giving? | 06:14 |
| N900dude | nokia abandonig it for another os....they have a point | 06:14 |
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| mcepl | that's silly ... it won't stop working just because Nokia would abandon it (which I doubt) | 06:15 |
| N900dude | no but meego isnt meant for n900.... | 06:15 |
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| Ken-Young | N900dude, I suspect a pretty fully functional Meego will be available for the N900. It just won't be official. | 06:16 |
| mcepl | isn't it already? what's http://maemoarena.com/2010/03/meego-now-available-for-download-for-nokia-n900/ ??? | 06:17 |
| * lpotter wonders why some people cant fathom "reference device" | 06:17 | |
| N900dude | yes but wont the n900 be underpowered? somebody mentioned meego requires higher specs and capacitive screen amongst other things? | 06:18 |
| Ken-Young | mcepl, Well, I mean a Meego that actually works as a phone, not just a developer-only version with little functionality. | 06:18 |
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| lpotter | you think a reference platform is not going to work as a phone? | 06:19 |
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| Ken-Young | lpotter, I think it eventually wiil, but it doesn't yet, does it? | 06:20 |
| nvidhive | Stskeeps, you around/awake? | 06:20 |
| Ken-Young | s/wiil/will/ | 06:20 |
| infobot | Ken-Young meant: lpotter, I think it eventually will, but it doesn't yet, does it? | 06:20 |
| TiagoTiago | it does kinda feels like the N900 is in a limbo between the old tablets and the upcoming meego devices thuogh | 06:20 |
| lpotter | doesnt mean it wont ever | 06:20 |
| N900dude | too bad about the name change....kills continuity and stability | 06:20 |
| Ken-Young | I agree. I just wanted to make sure I wasn't wrong in my belief that it is not yet usable as a phone. | 06:21 |
| TiagoTiago | i don't like "Meego" | 06:21 |
| TiagoTiago | Why don't they release an update for Maemo5 renaming it Meego0 or somthing? | 06:23 |
| lpotter | 'meego' is better than 'maemo', IMHO | 06:23 |
| TiagoTiago | that would help a little bit, no? | 06:23 |
| TiagoTiago | For me, Meego sounds childish and gooey, while Maemo sounds velvety and sexy | 06:24 |
| N900dude | its spilled milk now so it doesn matter....next year they will call it "beegoboobo" | 06:24 |
| TiagoTiago | lol | 06:24 |
| TiagoTiago | i wish i was aware of what was going on back when they were thinking baout gettign a new name | 06:24 |
| N900dude | so much negativity now in this once vibrant community....too bad | 06:25 |
| N900dude | i remember when people were excited about maemo | 06:25 |
| mcepl | Ken-Young: did anybody see ANY Meego phone yet? well, actually, any Meego device? then it's kind of mood issue, isn't it? Besides, with new CEO there is always hope that they will get their acts together | 06:25 |
| Ken-Young | N900dude, A lot of people are still positive, I think. I'd like to believe I'm one of them. I'm very happy with my N900, and still badgering friends to get one. | 06:25 |
| mcepl | besides, I have been using Linux for years as my only platform, so I don't require and expect much ;) | 06:26 |
| TiagoTiago | if i symlink .mozilla to mozilla would that fix the bug i'm having? (i'm not all that informed about how these things work) | 06:26 |
| Ken-Young | mcepl, I'm pretty sure no Meego device has even been officially anounced yet. | 06:26 |
| N900dude | i love my n900 too... just seems like an unwanted child for nokia | 06:26 |
| TiagoTiago | whatever it is, it's gonna be the sucessor of the N900 | 06:27 |
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| TiagoTiago | It's my understanding that the N900 will be the last and only phone officially running Maemo | 06:28 |
| lpotter | well, nokia is working on n900 update | 06:28 |
| N900dude | i dont believe in this whole "just focus on qt" talk | 06:29 |
| lpotter | and there was even a codedrop for meego on n900 | 06:29 |
| lpotter | so how anyone can think that is abandonding the n900, I'll never know | 06:29 |
| N900dude | lpotter: proper updates and os release | 06:30 |
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| Ken-Young | N900dude, I think Nokia has only two options - make Qt everywhere work, or jump on the Android bandwagon. | 06:30 |
| N900dude | Ken-Young: agreed | 06:30 |
| lpotter | android, schmandroid | 06:30 |
| N900dude | lpotter: linux, schminux | 06:31 |
| lpotter | symbian is on more phones than everyone else combined | 06:31 |
| Ken-Young | lpotter, I've got an ANdroid phone - there's a lot of really neat stuff available for it that I don't even in my wildest fantasy believe will appear on my N900. | 06:31 |
| TiagoTiago | Android is too closed | 06:31 |
| N900dude | lpotter: true but what does it mean? series 40 is on a lotta phones too....so what? | 06:32 |
| lpotter | why would nokia go with android when they already sell the most phones? | 06:32 |
| Ken-Young | With my Android phone, I can speak English into it, and it will speak the French version of what I said. I know enough French to know the translation isn't bad. It's very cool. | 06:32 |
| lpotter | or, rather why would nokia _need_ to | 06:32 |
| N900dude | most people dont give a flying rat's ass if it's open or closed os....why should they? | 06:33 |
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| Ken-Young | N900dude, Exactly | 06:33 |
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| N900dude | i want an os that works.... i dont care what some linux geeks think | 06:33 |
| lpotter | what nobody really sees or takes into account is what operators want. do you think they want apple and google in control? | 06:34 |
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| N900dude | lpotter: trust me, operators want apple... not meego | 06:35 |
| Ken-Young | N900dude, I'm happy with how my N900 works. I do care that it is linux. I love being able to run Python easily, not having to jailbreak for anything. But the Openmoko + Nokia track record on making a really consumer-ready linux phone is not good. | 06:35 |
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| Ken-Young | lpotter, THe operators want VERY closed systems. Maemo/Meego is the oposite of what they want. | 06:36 |
| lpotter | no, they want colsed systems that _they_ control. | 06:36 |
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| lpotter | they want to brand there stuff | 06:37 |
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| lpotter | dont really get that with android or ios | 06:37 |
| Ken-Young | lpotter, But even a closed system they don't control is better for them than a truly open system. | 06:37 |
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| lpotter | yo dont think nokia knows what operators want? do yo think they would go all open source if it scared operators away? | 06:41 |
| Ken-Young | At this point, I don't think Nokia knows what Nokia wants. | 06:41 |
| N900dude | Ken-Young: agreed | 06:42 |
| N900dude | having 4 different os dont help...(pls spare me the qt talk) | 06:43 |
| lpotter | why do you think that? I dont see apple selling any medium or lower tier phones at all. | 06:45 |
| N900dude | i was talking to a developer who recently went to nokia's developer conference in London UK and he left there underwhelmed.....the feeling is for any significant apps they will still have to written in native language....qt isnt the messiah nokia says it is | 06:45 |
| lpotter | what makes qt non native? | 06:46 |
| N900dude | qt is nice and all but... | 06:46 |
| N900dude | for primitive stuff yes | 06:46 |
| lpotter | primitve.. eh? | 06:47 |
| N900dude | imho | 06:47 |
| Ken-Young | lpotter, I'm certain that you know much more about the industry than I do. So you're probably right, and I'm probaly wrong. But isn't a closed OS, like ios, preferable to carries than an open OS, because there is an entity in charge of ios? If they decide they simply can't support tethering, for example, they can tell Apple that's a deal-breaker for them, they won't carry the phone if Apple allows tethering, and there's at l | 06:47 |
| Ken-Young | east a chance they will get what they want. How do they do something like that with an open OS? | 06:47 |
| lpotter | you call mobility API primitive? | 06:47 |
| N900dude | lpotter: we can dig deep if you want... what im saying is the developers arent totally sold on this | 06:48 |
| lpotter | Ken-Young: just because something is open does not mean they cannot make it into what they need | 06:48 |
| Ken-Young | lpotter, But it makes it harder to prevent consumers from making it into what *they* want. | 06:49 |
| lpotter | no it doesnt | 06:49 |
| lpotter | how hard is it to jailbreak an iphone? | 06:49 |
| Ken-Young | It's a constatn cat-and-mouse game. | 06:49 |
| lpotter | and have you ever heard of anything like that on a symbian device? | 06:50 |
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| Ken-Young | I know nothing about Symbian, I'm sorry to say. | 06:50 |
| TiagoTiago | there was the signed apps only fiasco.... | 06:50 |
| lpotter | I think most people on maemo talk are just pissed that nokia is now pushing Qt and not gtk | 06:51 |
| N900dude | symbian is yesterday's news | 06:51 |
| lpotter | thats what you think | 06:51 |
| luke-jr | lpotter: lol? | 06:51 |
| luke-jr | GTK sucks. it's about time Nokia got rid of it | 06:51 |
| Ken-Young | lpotter, I'm not pissed about that. I think the Qt-only approach has a chance. | 06:51 |
| lpotter | symbian still seels more phones that anyother | 06:51 |
| TiagoTiago | Nokia says the Symbian^* is still a significant player | 06:51 |
| luke-jr | TiagoTiago: only for phones… | 06:51 |
| lpotter | sells that is | 06:51 |
| luke-jr | and MeeGo isn't targetting phones afaik | 06:51 |
| N900dude | lpotter: no....this is what nokia thinks....N8 is the last nseries device | 06:52 |
| lpotter | so | 06:52 |
| Ken-Young | I'll have to convert some code of mine to Qt, but I'll be happy to do that if Nokia produces a consumer-ready device as open as the N900. | 06:52 |
| lpotter | thats not nokia last symbian phone | 06:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | Ken-Young: carriers will adore open systems as it allows them to customize without help of the original equipment manuf | 06:52 |
| N900dude | lpotter: wanna wager? | 06:52 |
| TiagoTiago | i've been hoping they will launch another one called NX (pronounced "Next") | 06:52 |
| lpotter | N900dude: youd loose | 06:52 |
| TiagoTiago | I like the pun there, X for ten and pronouncing it Next | 06:53 |
| N900dude | lpotter: whatever....forget symbian....lets talk whats important | 06:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | Ken-Young: and why would a carrier disallow their customers to make a phone into what they wnat? | 06:53 |
| N900dude | for loss of revenue | 06:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | there's no such loss of revenue | 06:53 |
| Ken-Young | DocScrutinizer, Is that a serious question? DO carriers want phone running bit torrent? | 06:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | sure | 06:54 |
| N900dude | you think carries want you to make voip calls? dont be naive please | 06:54 |
| TiagoTiago | imagine the data bills for heavy torrent uses | 06:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | they'll love you exceeding your max allowable data transfer then charge you so they smile like a clam | 06:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'm not naive | 06:55 |
| TiagoTiago | If it's so cheap that voip providers give it for free, imagine the profit margin for mobile operators | 06:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | you're uninformed | 06:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's the simplest thing for a carrier to stop your VoIP | 06:55 |
| N900dude | oh here comes the mighty informed....pray tell me | 06:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | they don't need to lock phone for that | 06:55 |
| TiagoTiago | they can do it on the network itself instead on your device | 06:56 |
| TiagoTiago | instead of on* | 06:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | sure I'm a bit more informed than you - at least I've talked with carriers untending to use Openmoko phones | 06:56 |
| N900dude | would you like me to kiss your ring? | 06:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | I would like you to stoip that offensive nonsense | 06:57 |
| N900dude | arrogance of this community is amazing....you started being offensive by calling me uninformed | 06:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | you started calling me naive - what do you expect? | 06:58 |
| N900dude | naive is not offensive ....please | 06:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | uninformed is? | 06:58 |
| N900dude | ok.... agreed....whatever | 06:58 |
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| DocScrutinizer | c'mon make my day, bitch a bit more on me | 06:59 |
| luke-jr | Ken-Young: so… not very open? | 06:59 |
| Ken-Young | luke-jr, What's not very open? | 06:59 |
| N900dude | i just dont think that operators are as crazy about open os as you seem to imply | 06:59 |
| luke-jr | Ken-Young: Maemo | 06:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | and I *know* at least swisscom is | 07:00 |
| N900dude | ok...swisscom is... your point being? | 07:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | and I heard from first hand about a lot of others | 07:00 |
| Ken-Young | luke-jr, Like most N900 owners, I'd love to have a fully open source N900. Having said that, Maemo is open enough for my purposes. | 07:00 |
| luke-jr | Ken-Young: Maemo is more closed than open. | 07:01 |
| Ken-Young | luke-jr, But it is still more open than ios or Android. | 07:01 |
| luke-jr | no | 07:01 |
| luke-jr | Android is more open than Maemo. | 07:01 |
| luke-jr | Maemo just uses more standards. | 07:01 |
| Ken-Young | luke-jr, I disagree. But neither is very open. | 07:01 |
| TiagoTiago | I thought Android was a minefield of proprietary blobs | 07:02 |
| luke-jr | Ken-Young: Android is, at least in my understanding, completely open at its common code, like MeeGo is supposed to be | 07:02 |
| luke-jr | only the platform-specific bits are usually closed | 07:02 |
| Ken-Young | luke-jr, What I really want is a gnu / linux phone. Maemo is a *lot* closer to that than Android is, and that's what I care about. | 07:02 |
| N900dude | what we are forgetting is that average joe doesnt care about open or closed os....get it? he wants stuff that works.... | 07:02 |
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| lpotter | N900dude: http://www.allaboutsymbian.com/news/item/11468_Q1_2010_figures_in_for_smartph.php | 07:02 |
| luke-jr | Ken-Young: Maemo has 0% GNU AFAIK | 07:02 |
| N900dude | lpotter: great....yawn | 07:03 |
| luke-jr | N900dude: that's why the Average Joe has Symbian | 07:03 |
| Ken-Young | luke-jr, But you can but Easy Debian on it, and have a full gnu experience. | 07:03 |
| luke-jr | Ken-Young: sure. I have Gentoo on mine. | 07:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: that's kinda correct. Though usually android phones have signed BL and kernel and so are open but nevertheless locked | 07:03 |
| luke-jr | but Easy Debian isn't Maemo ☺ | 07:03 |
| TiagoTiago | there are probably some parts that can't be opened due to legislation (the other day someone here told me Nokia won't open the GSM modem because that would be against a law in the UK about providing GSM hacking tools) | 07:03 |
| Ken-Young | luke-jr, That's not as easy on a Droid. | 07:03 |
| luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: but there are Android phoens w/o that, which puts it at least on par with the single N900 device | 07:04 |
| TiagoTiago | or somthing like that, i don't rmember the exact details | 07:04 |
| luke-jr | Maemo* | 07:04 |
| luke-jr | Ken-Young: that depends on the device | 07:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: granted, usually those were called developer devices | 07:04 |
| Ken-Young | luke-jr, I don't care that Easy Debian isn't Maemo, because Maemo is what makes Easy Debian easy. | 07:04 |
| N900dude | so whats next for maemo? | 07:05 |
| luke-jr | from what I know, Android wins over Maemo in the free/open area completely | 07:05 |
| luke-jr | N900dude: Maemo is dead. | 07:05 |
| N900dude | yes | 07:05 |
| luke-jr | N900dude: next is MeeGo. | 07:05 |
| luke-jr | which is supposed to compete with Android in the free/open arena | 07:06 |
| N900dude | so why is nokia still selling n900 ? | 07:06 |
| luke-jr | N900dude: they like to make money | 07:06 |
| TiagoTiago | IS there somewhere with a chart or somthing showing a comparison of how open Maemo is vcs Android? | 07:06 |
| N900dude | ha....by deceiving customers....shame | 07:06 |
| TiagoTiago | vs* | 07:06 |
| Ken-Young | N900dude, How were you deceived? | 07:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | TiagoTiago: andridiot isn't even a proper linux | 07:07 |
| luke-jr | N900dude: N900 has a warranty, not a contract to maintain it | 07:07 |
| N900dude | Ken-Young: i purchased my n900 thinking maemo was the future....obviously it was a lie | 07:07 |
| luke-jr | TiagoTiago: Maemo is about 40% free; Android is about 90-100% AFAIK | 07:07 |
| luke-jr | N900dude: where did you get that idea? | 07:07 |
| luke-jr | if Maemo was the future, it wouldn't exist in the present. | 07:08 |
| TiagoTiago | woah, really?! Damn :( | 07:08 |
| N900dude | i was wrong | 07:08 |
| TiagoTiago | Somtimes the future is the present with some changes | 07:08 |
| luke-jr | TiagoTiago: N810 was maybe 30% free I think | 07:08 |
| N900dude | the maemo dudes at the summit presented it as such | 07:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://mer-project.blogspot.com/2010/02/mapping-openness-of-maemo-50-pr11-and.html | 07:09 |
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| luke-jr | N900dude: maybe you have a case for false advertising, but maybe not ☺ | 07:09 |
| N900dude | i give up | 07:09 |
| luke-jr | if the 'summit' was after MeeGo was planned, and they portrayed Maemo as the future, that's your only chance :p | 07:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | chance for *what*? | 07:10 |
| N900dude | of course meego was planned long time go....lets not be naive | 07:10 |
| N900dude | *ago | 07:10 |
| lpotter | meego is still in the planning stages | 07:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | naive is your fav word eh? | 07:10 |
| N900dude | good for nokia... they know how to make $$ on unsuspecting masses | 07:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | if it had been planned long ago, then they had started it long ago | 07:11 |
| lpotter | heh.. does it _look_ like meego had been started long ago? :) | 07:12 |
| Ken-Young | I think it was foolish for Nokia to adopt the name meego, and drop maemo, because it leads to the sort of anger we see hear. But if they had just continued calling it Maemo, and made all the changes they are not planning in the transition to Meego, would people still be pissed? If so, why? | 07:12 |
| luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: based on that link, M5 is actually less free than M4 :P | 07:12 |
| lpotter | N900dude: you are obviosuly bitter | 07:12 |
| Ken-Young | s/hear/here/ | 07:12 |
| infobot | Ken-Young meant: I think it was foolish for Nokia to adopt the name meego, and drop maemo, because it leads to the sort of anger we see here. But if they had just continued calling it Maemo, and made all the changes they are not planning in the transition to Meego, woul... | 07:12 |
| N900dude | lpotter: do you honestly think the intel thing happened out of thin air???? it had to have been discussed for a long time....bunch a liers thats all | 07:13 |
| luke-jr | Ken-Young: I think for practical purposes, the anger is directed toward not having official support on N900 | 07:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer | yepyep, but that's not accounting for actual number of sourcelines or importance of the subsystem or even total amount of code. | 07:13 |
| lpotter | N900dude: the deal, yes probably had been discussed for a long time. but actually planning it is another thing | 07:14 |
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| N900dude | by being evasive nokia lost out... | 07:14 |
| lpotter | evasive? | 07:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | Ken-Young: ack | 07:14 |
| Ken-Young | luke-jr, But the N900 was supposed to be "step 4 or 5" on Maemo. If they just kept calling it Mamo, and didn't officially support the N900 on Maemo 5, I think people would have felt let anger. Completely irrationally. | 07:14 |
| N900dude | yes | 07:14 |
| Ken-Young | s/step 4 of 5/step 4 or 5/ | 07:15 |
| N900dude | all this step 4 talk is meaningless | 07:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | lpotter: if they knew about their own plans earlier, why then would they nvest so many manyears into harmattan? | 07:16 |
| N900dude | n900 was meant to generate a quick $ for nokia...mission accomplished | 07:16 |
| Ken-Young | Well, they'd better not take a *lot* more steps before they produce a consumer-ready device. | 07:17 |
| lpotter | DocScrutinizer: you dont think harmattan is still being worked on? | 07:17 |
| lpotter | N900dude: n900 is not a big money maker for nokia | 07:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | N900dude: yeah, let's stop being naive. N900 was Nokia's greatest success, $$ wise | 07:17 |
| Ken-Young | lpotter, Isn't harmattan now a meego variant? | 07:18 |
| GAN900 | lpotter, bullshit. | 07:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | lpotter: I'm sure it's being worked on | 07:18 |
| GAN900 | It's not huge volume | 07:18 |
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| GAN900 | But it's profitability has to be big for what is essentially a skunkworks project. | 07:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | lpotter: but they would have done different if they knew meego merger was coming | 07:18 |
| N900dude | Doc: a little cynical today, are we not? | 07:19 |
| lpotter | GAN900: pretty big 'skunkworks' | 07:19 |
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| GAN900 | It's unfortunate that early adaptors and dedicated contributors are being repeatedly screwed over by Nokia in the process. | 07:19 |
| lpotter | DocScrutinizer: and same can be said for Qt takeover | 07:19 |
| GAN900 | I, for one, give up. | 07:19 |
| lpotter | screwed over? how so? | 07:19 |
| GAN900 | N900 got 1 major release and (maybe) 3 minor releases. | 07:20 |
| GAN900 | and it's effectively EoL in less than a year. | 07:20 |
| GAN900 | Worse deal than even the 770 got. | 07:20 |
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| N900dude | make no mistake: nokia knew about the intel merger long time ago....these things dont happen in weeks but months and years....stop believing bullshit | 07:20 |
| lpotter | GAN900: how do yo uknow there are not more updates being worked on? | 07:20 |
| GAN900 | lpotter, the team is essentially gone | 07:20 |
| GAN900 | lpotter, bugs are having TMs removed. | 07:21 |
| GAN900 | lpotter, maemo.org's budget is gone. | 07:21 |
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| lpotter | GAN900: team is still there | 07:21 |
| lpotter | working on the next phone | 07:21 |
| lpotter | as planned years ago | 07:21 |
| GAN900 | lpotter, thus, the screwing. | 07:21 |
| lpotter | heh | 07:21 |
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| lpotter | right | 07:21 |
| N900dude | GAN900: fully agreed | 07:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | well I'm starting to feel kicky. So I'll hand over to <staff> and hope crashandie will drop in shortly | 07:22 |
| lpotter | again, what makes you think there will be no more updates to n900> | 07:22 |
| lpotter | ? | 07:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | bye | 07:22 |
| N900dude | but its hard to convince the nokia apologists | 07:22 |
| GAN900 | lpotter, I'm not wasting any more of my time or money on a company that seems to hate having me as a customer and a contributor. | 07:22 |
| GAN900 | Almost 5 years was more than enough. | 07:22 |
| N900dude | great community spirit: lets kick people out! | 07:23 |
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| GAN900 | lpotter, all signs point to it. | 07:23 |
| lpotter | no one is kicking anyone out | 07:23 |
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| GAN900 | lpotter, there certainly wont be any major ones. | 07:23 |
| lpotter | GAN900: not from my vantage point | 07:23 |
| GAN900 | and unsupported meeGo doesn't count. | 07:23 |
| GAN900 | lpotter, well, time will tell, eh? :) | 07:23 |
| lpotter | perhaps. but some people will never be happy | 07:24 |
| Ken-Young | lpotter, GIven that the N900 is the current "reference platform" for Meggo, don't you think it would be smart for Nokia to officially support Meego on the N900, so that the N900 owners feel like their device hasnot either been abaondoned, or has become a dead-end back water? Would it really be that hard to offically support Meego on the device? | 07:25 |
| TiagoTiago | i read somewhere that older symbian phones (like 2-3 years old) are still gettting updates nowadays, is that true? and can we expect similar behavior with the N900? | 07:26 |
| lpotter | Ken-Young: depends on what "official support" entails. if you mean OTA updates from maemo to meego, thats not going to happen | 07:27 |
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| Ken-Young | lpotter, I think people would be understanding if they were told they would have to reflash to get Meego. | 07:28 |
| GAN900 | lpotter, doesn't take much to please me | 07:28 |
| lpotter | n900 was developed for years before it got 'official support' | 07:28 |
| GAN900 | and I think I've been more than forgiving | 07:28 |
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| lpotter | meego is a work in progress, nokia cannot officially support it because it is still in development | 07:29 |
| lpotter | meego on the n900 that is | 07:29 |
| GAN900 | But if you can't even vaguely manage a par against your competitors and are now BACKSLIDING, well, I'll take my time elsewhere, thanks. | 07:29 |
| TiagoTiago | Why is it easier to throw microB into kinetic scrollikng with a fingernail than the tip of the finger? | 07:30 |
| Ken-Young | lpotter, But assuming meego eventually becomes a fully usable product, why not "officially" support reflashing it onto the N900? | 07:30 |
| lpotter | GAN900: nokia is only backsliding because they havent released another smartphone/flagship for a long time | 07:31 |
| Ken-Young | Once it is usable. | 07:31 |
| GAN900 | lpotter, I expect to be able to have as close an experience to that of the N900+1 as possible given the hardware limitations. | 07:31 |
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| GAN900 | Ken-Young, because Nokia is cheap and they seem to have lost their way. | 07:32 |
| lpotter | Ken-Young: what's 'official'? there was a recent n900 meego image released from nokia | 07:32 |
| GAN900 | i.e., don't piss off your contributors and early adaptors, and don't screw your customers. | 07:32 |
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| lpotter | its just not supported because its alpha software | 07:32 |
| Ken-Young | lpotter, That's basically my point. I think Nokia has handled the "optics" of Maemo->Meego poorly. | 07:33 |
| Ken-Young | lpotter, I think changing the name was foolish. I think saying that it won't be officially supported on the N900 is foolish. | 07:34 |
| lpotter | they changed the name because it is no long maemo | 07:34 |
| lpotter | longer | 07:34 |
| Ken-Young | lpotter, Nokia is making Meego available for N900 users, but making them feel as if it won't be available to them.' | 07:34 |
| TiagoTiago | The name change was probably some sort of diplocatic thing 'cause of the merger with Intel's Moblin , isntead of only one side giving up their names, both did | 07:35 |
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| TiagoTiago | diplomatic* | 07:35 |
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| Ken-Young | lpotter, Maemo is whatever they say it is. THey could adopt Windoze Phone and rebrand it Maemo 6. | 07:35 |
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| lpotter | dont think so | 07:36 |
| Ken-Young | TiagoTiago, I suspect somewhere there's a group of people bitching about Intel abandoning Moblin. Just bad PR. | 07:36 |
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| TiagoTiago | I like Moblin more than Meego | 07:37 |
| TiagoTiago | the name that is | 07:37 |
| lpotter | I think people throw around the words 'abandoned' and 'obsolete' too easily | 07:37 |
| TiagoTiago | i have no direct experience with either OS | 07:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: see? | 07:38 |
| Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: i'm partly blinded by the fact my coffee is not working yet, t.m.o is in /etc/hosts as 127.0.0.1 talk.maemo.org and i don't understand a single bit of what's going on | 07:39 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 07:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | hehe | 07:39 |
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| TiagoTiago | that doesn't sound right, least not for an unmessed setup | 07:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | echo 127.0.0.1 freenode.net >>/etc/hosts | 07:40 |
| TiagoTiago | at least* | 07:40 |
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| TiagoTiago | lol | 07:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: seems since a few days tmo came over here | 07:40 |
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| Stskeeps | i do occasionally think about /part #maemo too and focus at technical work instead of politics, too :P | 07:42 |
| * DocScrutinizer just wonders what happened... Has duke nukem forever announced they won't release until ovi gets into shape, or what? | 07:42 | |
| TiagoTiago | lol | 07:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | my device works as great as it did 3 months ago, maybe even better | 07:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer | probably we should mess up buildhost again, this time with PR1.3 libs :-P | 07:46 |
| trumee | i dont give a damn as long basic stuff works as intended. No sip calls on maemo is what pisses me off. | 07:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | my SIP works great | 07:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | sometimes even over UMTS | 07:47 |
| trumee | DocScrutinizer, it is a fluke | 07:47 |
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| trumee | DocScrutinizer, the dev says that there indeed is a bug in gstreamer | 07:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | a whale fin? | 07:47 |
| trumee | DocScrutinizer, something wrong with gstjitterbuffer | 07:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | tsss, fsckng PA | 07:48 |
| pigeon | if you use fapman, does the default app manager stop working? | 07:48 |
| trumee | lot of people moaning about it on bug #10388 | 07:48 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10388 Choppy audio in SIP conversation, WLAN power save problem? | 07:48 |
| TiagoTiago | i think they loack some stuff from each other, whichever you open last will not work 100% | 07:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | managing jitterbuffer in gstreamer chain - WTF? | 07:49 |
| TiagoTiago | lock* | 07:49 |
| trumee | DocScrutinizer, what wlan ap do you use? | 07:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | uh? | 07:49 |
| TiagoTiago | https://secure.wikimedia.org/wiktionary/en/wiki/fluke | 07:49 |
| trumee | DocScrutinizer, wifi access point? | 07:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | aaah sorry | 07:49 |
| TiagoTiago | Noun | 07:49 |
| TiagoTiago | fluke (plural flukes) | 07:49 |
| TiagoTiago | 1. A lucky or improbable occurrence, with the implication that the occurrence could not be repeated. | 07:49 |
| TiagoTiago | The first goal was just a fluke. | 07:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | buggy Zyxel P660 crap | 07:50 |
| trumee | DocScrutinizer, dont call it buggy if sip calls work for you | 07:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer | maybe forwarding ports 5060 and 5004...5007 might help? | 07:52 |
| trumee | DocScrutinizer, the dev has taken tcpdumps from my system, which suggests issues are with gstrtpjitterbuffer | 07:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | see above | 07:52 |
| trumee | DocScrutinizer, i have freeswitch running on 5090 | 07:52 |
| pigeon | hmm: 1355 688 user D < 89596 36.3 1.3 /usr/bin/mafw-dbus-wrapper mafw-gst-re | 07:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | jitterbuffer outside of RTP handling lib is insane | 07:52 |
| trumee | DocScrutinizer, isnt rtp handling done by gstreamer | 07:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | that'd be double insane | 07:54 |
| trumee | DocScrutinizer, http://www.gstreamer.net/data/doc/gstreamer/head/gst-plugins-good-plugins/html/gst-plugins-good-plugins-gstrtpjitterbuffer.html | 07:55 |
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| * DocScrutinizer shrugs | 07:55 | |
| trumee | DocScrutinizer, so you are just lucky that your sip calls work. | 07:55 |
| * DocScrutinizer heads out to head up the milk for his latte m. in a plastic cup with a acetylene welder | 07:55 | |
| DocScrutinizer | while pondering about brilliant idea to have jitterbuffer outside main SIP managing process | 07:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | heat even | 07:56 |
| trumee | DocScrutinizer, but if you to see your N900 fail i can give u a sip uri which will give a choppy audio | 07:57 |
| trumee | DocScrutinizer, if you want to try that out | 07:57 |
| trumee | DocScrutinizer, that sip uri will read back to u an ebook | 07:58 |
| trumee | DocScrutinizer, care to test? | 07:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | maybe | 07:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'm not really here anymore | 07:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | it | 07:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | s just my ghost sleeptyping | 07:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer | or maybe DocScrutinizer significantly improved Eliza, and I am just a script running | 08:00 |
| pigeon | does fapman not use the same repo/source lists as the default app manager? | 08:01 |
| RST38h | it does | 08:02 |
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| pigeon | hmm, i can see repos in fapman, but not listed in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/hildon-application-manager.list or /etc/apt/sources.list | 08:03 |
| TiagoTiago | lol @ RST38h's comment | 08:04 |
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| pigeon | you think Eliza can? | 08:07 |
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| DigitalPioneer | no, I can't | 08:08 |
| DigitalPioneer | do you want to tell me about it? | 08:09 |
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| TiagoTiago | i download a little proggie made in Puthon, but when i try to run it it complains about missing python-tk , any suggestions? | 08:14 |
| TiagoTiago | Python* | 08:14 |
| RST38h | you should install the missing package | 08:17 |
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| TiagoTiago | do yo got a link to a tutorial on that handy? | 08:19 |
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| RST38h | apt-get update;apt-get install python-tk | 08:22 |
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| TiagoTiago | hm | 08:22 |
| TiagoTiago | hm, unable to lock, but i don't have any other application manager/installer running... | 08:24 |
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| TiagoTiago | is there a command to see who is locking it? | 08:24 |
| RST38h | Fapman is locking it. Or HAM. | 08:25 |
| RST38h | Quit both | 08:25 |
| TiagoTiago | neither are running | 08:25 |
| pigeon | apt-get/apt-worker? | 08:26 |
| pigeon | dpkg? | 08:26 |
| TiagoTiago | ah, there, pyGTKEditor was locking the stuff | 08:26 |
| pigeon | the catalogue page in my application manager is always blank now | 08:27 |
| TiagoTiago | python-tk: Depends: blt (>= 2.4z-4.1) but it is not going to be installed | 08:29 |
| TiagoTiago | Depends: tk8.5 (>= 8.5.0) but it is not going to be installed | 08:29 |
| TiagoTiago | what now? | 08:29 |
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| RST38h | Guess | 08:29 |
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| TiagoTiago | apt-get install blt ? | 08:31 |
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| TiagoTiago | i hope i don't brick it o.o | 08:35 |
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| TiagoTiago | yay ! it works | 08:41 |
| TiagoTiago | loll, that GUI engine isn't fit for mobile devices | 08:41 |
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| TiagoTiago | Do yo know of an automatic translator from tk to qt? | 08:44 |
| TiagoTiago | for python progs that is | 08:44 |
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| rmrfchik | Where is Jayson? | 09:09 |
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| crashanddie | in the house? | 09:21 |
| rmrfchik | be aware | 09:21 |
| rmrfchik | damn, thumbnailer eats my n900 | 09:22 |
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| pigeon | better than eating your boyfriend. | 09:31 |
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| Corsac | depends on the boyfriend | 09:34 |
| pigeon | this one: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=626593 | 09:35 |
| povbot | Bug 626593: was not found. | 09:35 |
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| mece | aaahahaha! Comment number 2 is full of WIN! | 09:40 |
| rmrfchik | pigeon: i have girlfriend btw | 09:41 |
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| pigeon | rmrfchik: does she want to report some bugs too? :) | 09:44 |
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| rmrfchik | pigeon: only to blizzard | 09:47 |
| pigeon | hahahaha | 09:47 |
| pigeon | sc2? | 09:48 |
| rmrfchik | wow | 09:48 |
| pigeon | ah | 09:48 |
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| pigeon | i'm waiting for cataclysm | 09:48 |
| rmrfchik | we're doing LK heroic now | 09:49 |
| rmrfchik | and RS | 09:49 |
| EdLin | pigeon, me too, I'm in the beta, so I'm on IRC right now while the latest beta update is downloading. :) | 09:50 |
| pigeon | EdLin: cool | 09:50 |
| rmrfchik | what servers u r playing on> | 09:50 |
| EdLin | it is, you get free lvl 80 characters to play with. | 09:50 |
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| EdLin | rmrfchick: for the beta? Beta-only servers, you'd probably be on one if you were in it. For regular I'm on anvilmar. | 09:51 |
| rmrfchik | EU, US? | 09:51 |
| EdLin | US | 09:51 |
| rmrfchik | ah. EU here | 09:51 |
| EdLin | rmrfchik, the beta is only US,KR servers anyway | 09:51 |
| rmrfchik | EdLin: have u down LK hc? | 09:51 |
| * rmrfchik is not interested in beta | 09:51 | |
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| EdLin | rmrfchik, you have to be in wrath to be able to run the beta | 09:52 |
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| rmrfchik | EdLin: mmm.. sure, as we're on Lich King now | 09:53 |
| * rmrfchik is King Slayer btw ;) | 09:53 | |
| mece | Kerry King, of Slayer? | 09:53 |
| EdLin | rmoravcik, I'm a lowbie character on anvilmar, I have no idea why they picked a casual player like me for the beta. :) | 09:53 |
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| kwtm | Hi. Is the N900 capable of importing contact info (say, from a CSV file) with the software present by default, or do I have to install extra software to do this? If the latter, which software? Is it Wammu/Gammu? | 09:54 |
| mece | oh.. wow. | 09:54 |
| rmrfchik | mece: we have down the main bad guy in the universe. /me da rule! | 09:55 |
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| rmrfchik | EdLin: how is beta? | 09:56 |
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| EdLin | rmrfchik, interesting, underwater quests, even the lowbie areas have changed radically in some cases, unlike all other expansions. | 09:58 |
| rmrfchik | EdLin: fly mounts? | 09:59 |
| EdLin | sure, even in the old-world areas of azeroth | 09:59 |
| rmrfchik | what's noticeable? | 09:59 |
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| EdLin | I pretty much summed up the major changes right there, underwater quests and new lowbie areas. | 10:00 |
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| EdLin | oh yeah, and the worgen and the other new race of midget men that slip my mind. :) | 10:01 |
| rmrfchik | well, not much ;) | 10:01 |
| EdLin | it is a lot if you're making an alt. | 10:01 |
| rmrfchik | What's about new archeology profession? | 10:01 |
| EdLin | I haven't played with that yet. | 10:02 |
| rmrfchik | you made alt in beta? | 10:02 |
| EdLin | professions were broke in the beta when I played it last, but I've got a 15GB update downloading that I hope will fix that. | 10:02 |
| EdLin | yep | 10:02 |
| EdLin | I made alts and played pre-made lvl 80 characters (now one is lvl 82. :) ) | 10:02 |
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| rmrfchik | how is if fast to level from ground? | 10:03 |
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| EdLin | how fast to level to level 90 or whatever the new ceiling is from lvl 1? I have no idea, the beta has only been out a short time to testers. | 10:04 |
| EdLin | at least, to me. | 10:04 |
| rmrfchik | s/if/it | 10:04 |
| rmrfchik | and how fast you get 82? | 10:04 |
| EdLin | real fast, it was as easy as going to level 5 as an alt. :) | 10:05 |
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| EdLin | all I had to do was complete an underwater quest or two | 10:05 |
| EdLin | almost too easy | 10:05 |
| EdLin | well, not almost, it was too easy. But that's Wow for you, it's too easy. | 10:06 |
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| rmrfchik | hmm. I hope it will take a more time. | 10:06 |
| rmrfchik | And eager to see guild leveling mechanics | 10:07 |
| EdLin | yeah, I need to join a guild on the beta server to play with that. | 10:07 |
| TiagoTiago | since we're talking games, may i ask for advice in a matter dealing with forum moderators of forum of a (really) small company's awesome game? | 10:07 |
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| EdLin | TiagoTiago, how did you get in trouble? | 10:08 |
| TiagoTiago | it was my third day there, we were chatting in the announcement thread of new versions while we waited for the o come and announce the release of a much anticipated new version, | 10:08 |
| TiagoTiago | me and a few other people got in a somewhat heated conversation, and some other people said we should stop or the thread was gonna be closed by the mods (that happen to be the only two guys in the company) | 10:09 |
| TiagoTiago | but since many of the people in the convo withme were long time forum members, and since i had been told the moderators were both fair and quite 'lax, i assumed it wasn't gonna be an issue and jsut continue chatting | 10:10 |
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| EdLin | TiagoTiago, my advice is to apologize to the guys you were arguing with and the mods and to lay low for a while. Especially since the mods are so high up, you aren't going to get much leeway in dealing with them. | 10:11 |
| TiagoTiago | at one point after the few people against the convo kept iantagonizing us, i told them to not feed the trolls, but since they continued to try to get us to stop i assumed they didn't consider what we were doing trolling, another indication that it was alright | 10:11 |
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| TiagoTiago | then i got permabanned without warning | 10:11 |
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| EdLin | uh-oh | 10:11 |
| TiagoTiago | and they've been ignoring my emails and other attemps of communication ever since | 10:11 |
| EdLin | TiagoTiago, that sucks | 10:12 |
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| TiagoTiago | yeah | 10:12 |
| EdLin | TiagoTiago, well, the only thing you can do is email the mods. I figure though it's probably hopeless, because either they are acting like assholes, or you did, or both, so you're kind of stuck. :( | 10:13 |
| TiagoTiago | the game is awesome, but i would have so much to talk about, so much to ask, so much to suggest etc, that i've not played it ever since; i miss it :( | 10:13 |
| EdLin | what game is this, if you don't mind my asking? | 10:14 |
| TiagoTiago | I find it quite weird that someone that is supposed to be fair and 'lax would permaban a 3 days old newbie on their first offense | 10:14 |
| TiagoTiago | Dwarf Fortress | 10:14 |
| TiagoTiago | withuot even a warning | 10:15 |
| EdLin | what kind of game is it? | 10:15 |
| TiagoTiago | hm | 10:15 |
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| EdLin | obviously fantasy genere | 10:15 |
| TiagoTiago | it uses ASCII art for graphics, but it's more complex than most games out there | 10:15 |
| EdLin | oh cool, it's a roguelike? | 10:15 |
| EdLin | or a MUD? | 10:16 |
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| EdLin | sorry, I realize you don't want to play it anymore after this. :( | 10:16 |
| TiagoTiago | there is thisthe environemnt is 3D (though not drawn as such), with terrain, rivers flowing according to terrain, you can dig etc, there are dozens, if not hundreds of creatures, weather, each creature is simulated with body parts, tissues, internal organs etc | 10:16 |
| TiagoTiago | erm, lol, i could swear i had backspaced evberythign before the first "the" | 10:17 |
| TiagoTiago | it simuates hundreds of years of history before you begin,, including geoligical stuff, distributions of societies etc | 10:17 |
| jacekowski | morning | 10:17 |
| Appiah | and it works great on the n900+ | 10:18 |
| Appiah | ? | 10:18 |
| TiagoTiago | you contorlt he dwarfs and try to build a fortress, usually digging it in the terrain | 10:18 |
| TiagoTiago | i dunno, it was gonna be one of the things i was gonna suggest, but since i've been permabanned i cant :( | 10:18 |
| crashanddie_ | test | 10:18 |
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| EdLin | Appiah, it works in Linux and OS X apparently as well as Windows. | 10:19 |
| Appiah | Yes I can see that | 10:19 |
| EdLin | Appiah, bet it could be ported | 10:19 |
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| TiagoTiago | it uses ASCII art but it's rendered with OpenGL | 10:19 |
| EdLin | even then, opengl is available in it's mobile version on the n900 | 10:19 |
| TiagoTiago | might need a bit of work to port to OGLES | 10:20 |
| EdLin | yeah, but it's probably doable with some effort. | 10:20 |
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| TiagoTiago | here's the site: http://www.bay12games.com/dwarves/ | 10:20 |
| EdLin | it isn't exactly Halo 2 or something | 10:20 |
| DuckBoot | TiagoTiago: ASCII redered with OpenGL? Like TT? | 10:20 |
| TiagoTiago | What is TT? | 10:21 |
| DuckBoot | TrueType fonts | 10:21 |
| TiagoTiago | They got the "font" as a PNG with all the characters, plus additional images can be used to replace stuff or add differences to otherwise similar looking thigns and stuff (more or less like this, i'm probably not explaining 100% right) | 10:22 |
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| TiagoTiago | the default characterset resembles DOS font i believe | 10:22 |
| DuckBoot | Thunder in Oslo atm. Hmmm | 10:22 |
| EdLin | TiagoTiago, this really sucks for you, apparently part of the gameplay is trading savegame files on the forums. | 10:22 |
| TiagoTiago | there are several approaches to playing it, some people try to carve scultupres out of mountains, others try to survive with only a single dwarf for as long as possible (since you start with more than one, often they kill them gruesomely, ot let them locked out untill they starve to death) | 10:24 |
| TiagoTiago | i was jsut starting, so my only goal was to manage to get the fortress sustainable, they always started to get crazy with all the vermin and deaths and stuff, or simply coudln't make/gather enough food to stay alive | 10:25 |
| TiagoTiago | Some people even do somthing kidna similar to machinima, taking screenshots and trying to steer the events in a way that would fit the story (but since not even the dwarfs can be controled directly (you can assign them jobs and stuff, but they might not feel like doing it) somtimes unpredicatble events messed up the intended storyline and forced epople to have their story go elsewhere) | 10:27 |
| EdLin | I used to be really into Nethack and Moria/Angband, so this looks really neat. Too bad the forum mods (aka the developers) used the ban hammer on you. | 10:29 |
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| TiagoTiago | one of the things that makes that game so awesome is the level of detail, lots of effort is put into everything, you often get surprised with more thought put into somthing that you wouldn't even have thought about yourself | 10:29 |
| EdLin | Nethack is like that | 10:30 |
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| TiagoTiago | What is the gameplay like with Nethack? | 10:33 |
| EdLin | deceptively simple, but lots of stuff is in the game | 10:33 |
| EdLin | if you've ever played Rogue, it's like Rogue on steroids. | 10:34 |
| EdLin | www.nethack.org | 10:34 |
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| EdLin | it also is available for Unix etc | 10:35 |
| EdLin | in fact, it's the decendant of a game that was originally made on Unix. | 10:35 |
| EdLin | I played it before Windows 95 was even released. | 10:36 |
| TiagoTiago | I think DF is to RTS what Nethack is to dungeon crawler/rpgs | 10:36 |
| jacekowski | TiagoTiago: are they paying you to advertise it or something? | 10:36 |
| jacekowski | because i never saw anybody writing so much text on irc | 10:36 |
| EdLin | jacekowski, why would they? It's a free game | 10:36 |
| TiagoTiago | nah, i got hooked, it is kidna addiciting, at least for me | 10:36 |
| TiagoTiago | lol | 10:37 |
| TiagoTiago | i miss playing it :( | 10:38 |
| crashanddie | EdLin: oh yeah, playing games before win95 was released is such a kudos, eh ;) | 10:40 |
| EdLin | crashanddie, my first games were on the Atari 2600 and the Apple II, I go back a way. | 10:41 |
| TiagoTiago | 'ive played lots of DOS and 2600 games | 10:41 |
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| TiagoTiago | good times | 10:42 |
| Jaffa | Morning, all | 10:42 |
| EdLin | do you remember what that 2600 game was that had the pulsing alian spacecraft that every now and then would dart accross the screen? | 10:42 |
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| EdLin | Jaffa, morning | 10:43 |
| TiagoTiago | Not SI, is it? | 10:43 |
| EdLin | no | 10:43 |
| EdLin | you had a shield or something, I vaguely recall, too. | 10:43 |
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| EdLin | or was it the enemy that did? | 10:43 |
| EdLin | It's been a long time.... | 10:44 |
| TiagoTiago | Doesn't ring a bell, but that doesn't say much, there were way to many 2600 games out there | 10:44 |
| EdLin | is there a 2600 emulator out there for maemo? | 10:44 |
| TiagoTiago | i think so | 10:44 |
| EdLin | I bet there's an Apple II one, there is for Android and Linux in general. | 10:44 |
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| * EdLin has an Android phone atm, but don't kick me out, I have an n810 too. :) | 10:45 | |
| TiagoTiago | there are lots of emu's ported or specificly made for the N900 | 10:45 |
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| EdLin | TiagoTiago, it sounds like the perfect emu device, what with the TV out and included TV cables. | 10:46 |
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| TiagoTiago | yep | 10:46 |
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| TiagoTiago | and you can even play games with a Dualshock3 and a Wiimote :P | 10:46 |
| crashanddie | EdLin: Battlezone? | 10:46 |
| EdLin | no, battlezone was a tank game. | 10:47 |
| EdLin | it was a favorite too, never played it on a 2600 tho, played it in the arcades. | 10:47 |
| TiagoTiago | Did you play that one with the guy that had to reach the roof of a building doging shopping carts and stuff, it had elevators to move between floors and i perhaps escalators too ? | 10:48 |
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| TiagoTiago | and i think perhaps* | 10:48 |
| EdLin | sounds vaguely familiar, but no, I didn't play it. | 10:48 |
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| crashanddie | rebooting, bbl | 10:50 |
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| TiagoTiago | Another one i had that i loved playing was this one with two cowboys, one on each side of the screen, and a destructible obstacle int he middle | 10:51 |
| EdLin | did you ever play the one with the bombs going down from a wall and you'd catch them with water buckets? | 10:51 |
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| TiagoTiago | The one i played had spiders and you picked them up with a plant vase i think | 10:52 |
| EdLin | very kid-like, but I was a kid when I played it. | 10:52 |
| TiagoTiago | or perhaps i'm remembering it wrong, and it was somthing else falling and you had to dodge the spiders | 10:52 |
| TiagoTiago | oh, i think it was plant vases dropping and you had to dodge them, someone or somthing was runnign on top of the screen dropping them | 10:53 |
| TiagoTiago | lol, hard to remember, it was so long ago | 10:53 |
| EdLin | lol | 10:53 |
| TiagoTiago | after one of the times i moved to another house (there were many over the years), before leaving the previous house i had forgotten about my 2600 for a while, after the move eventually i went looking for it and i couldn't find it anywhere, must have left it in a drawer somewhere in my old house :( | 10:54 |
| TiagoTiago | I think i was like about 13 or somthing whent hat happened | 10:55 |
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| EdLin | TiagoTiago, bummer | 10:57 |
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| TiagoTiago | yeah :/ | 11:01 |
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| Stskeeps | Jaffa, GeneralAntilles: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=784443&postcount=32 | 11:09 |
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| EdLin | Stskeeps, doesn't look like good news for my old N810 | 11:11 |
| kerio | TiagoTiago: dfterm on a server and telnet? | 11:12 |
| kerio | the n900 is nowhere near being able to run df2 | 11:12 |
| Stskeeps | EdLin: i'm still doing work on meego for n8x0, fwiw | 11:12 |
| kerio | it's fatiguing for a quad-core cpu | 11:12 |
| TiagoTiago | I think that might be a possibility | 11:12 |
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| TiagoTiago | really? | 11:12 |
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| Stskeeps | EdLin: hoping to set up a similar repository like we have with n900 for the closed bits | 11:13 |
| kerio | TiagoTiago: depends on the fortress | 11:13 |
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| Stskeeps | EdLin: i mean, we have 2.6.35 going and i'm not doing that cos i have to :) | 11:13 |
| kerio | i've seen a turing-complete calculator made with dwarves | 11:13 |
| TiagoTiago | lol | 11:13 |
| Stskeeps | EdLin: hate having useless devices around my house and i have 2x n800 and one n810 :P | 11:13 |
| kerio | also osso-xterm sucks for nethack :( | 11:14 |
| kerio | no 80x24 | 11:14 |
| TiagoTiago | :( | 11:14 |
| kerio | 79x25 is the closest one | 11:14 |
| TiagoTiago | might need a purpose made client | 11:14 |
| DuckBoot | kerio: Port your own xterm ;-P | 11:14 |
| kerio | TiagoTiago: nah | 11:14 |
| kerio | 79x25 is fine to play | 11:14 |
| EdLin | how about Tcl/Tk? there was a TKAngband | 11:14 |
| kerio | not to *watch* though | 11:15 |
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| chem|st | grml | 11:15 |
| TomaszD | heh, we're never getting anything opened in m5 | 11:15 |
| chem|st | so now my contacts from sms dialog are gone... | 11:15 |
| Stskeeps | TomaszD: on hardware level a bunch of stuff is, but ok | 11:16 |
| EdLin | chem|st, I think grml (grml.org) linux comes with Nethack, to tie this all togeather. ;-) | 11:16 |
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| TomaszD | Stskeeps, what about m4? | 11:16 |
| chem|st | EdLin: ;) | 11:16 |
| TomaszD | once I saw meego emerge I knew it would be bad news for legacy as everyone jumps ship to the new shiny thing | 11:16 |
| Stskeeps | TomaszD: working on the hardware side and kernel still in my free time | 11:17 |
| TomaszD | and nobody is going to convince me that, hadn't meego been created and maemo 6 released instead, that things would have been *any* different | 11:17 |
| Stskeeps | meego does change things a lot, but :shrug: | 11:17 |
| * Stskeeps goes shower and ponders to go for a bike ride | 11:18 | |
| TomaszD | so the openness of meego prevents maemo 5 components to be opened. Because had there been an m6 equal in openness to m5, things would have been sooo different | 11:19 |
| DuckBoot | Stskeeps: I'm a hacker/poweruser/whatnot - I like to tune my desktop/mobile to exactly fit my needs - Do MeeGo let me do that? (Just wondering) | 11:19 |
| DuckBoot | Blargh | 11:19 |
| TomaszD | this is a burned bridges strategy, or in other words "ohh shiny" | 11:20 |
| Stskeeps | DuckBoot: yes | 11:20 |
| DuckBoot | Stskeeps: Oh - Nice - Then I will atleast have a go at it. | 11:20 |
| Stskeeps | DuckBoot: i mean, i made a frankenmix of IVI ux and handset ux | 11:21 |
| Stskeeps | .. on a n810! | 11:21 |
| kerio | TomaszD: ADD marketing | 11:21 |
| TomaszD | heh | 11:21 |
| DuckBoot | Stskeeps: That's was really The feature of Maemo/N900 that caught my attention, and made me spend more money on a cellphone than I ever had. | 11:22 |
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| kerio | DuckBoot: and we're nowhere near maxing it out | 11:23 |
| Stskeeps | DuckBoot: well, if you want a 'varedeklaration' on meego/n900, we have these blobs: SGX (3d acceleration libs), BME (battery management) and wl1251 firmware and bluetooth chip firmware.. rest is open to tinker with | 11:23 |
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| kerio | rapuyama could run the whole phone by itself, the led chip is a tiny cpu with storage | 11:23 |
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| Ford_Prefect | Stskeeps: and the GSM modem parts? | 11:24 |
| DuckBoot | ^^ What he said | 11:25 |
| Stskeeps | Ford_Prefect: our goal is for entire linux side to be open in telephony stack - only thing that's under doubt is some algorithms for voice, rest is going into pulseaudio/libcmtspeech/ofono | 11:25 |
| Stskeeps | Ford_Prefect: people used the work by our effort to get 3g data under nitdroid, for instance. | 11:26 |
| Corsac | I think he asked about the baseband :) | 11:26 |
| Ford_Prefect | Stskeeps: ah, I thought you mean the maemo5 | 11:26 |
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| Stskeeps | the obsolete stack | 11:26 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 11:26 |
| Ford_Prefect | s/mean/meant | 11:26 |
| Ford_Prefect | :) | 11:26 |
| Stskeeps | if you mean whatever rapuyama runs, that's a mystery even for me | 11:26 |
| Stskeeps | but doesn't affect linux side | 11:26 |
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| jave | I want to port the sbagen binaural beat application to n900. which sound stack does n900 use? | 11:27 |
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| kerio | jave: pulseaudio/alsa | 11:27 |
| jave | ah nice | 11:27 |
| kerio | not really ._. | 11:28 |
| jave | no? | 11:28 |
| Ford_Prefect | <giggle> | 11:28 |
| lcuk | morning guys and gals \o | 11:28 |
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| DuckBoot | audio in Linux is not even close to nice. | 11:28 |
| Ford_Prefect | Someone should measure how often the same flaming/trollery/bashing happens in a given day | 11:29 |
| kerio | s/audio/pulseaudio/ | 11:29 |
| kerio | jackd is fine | 11:29 |
| jave | I'm coming from openmoko so everything is nice | 11:29 |
| DuckBoot | jackd is PAIN | 11:29 |
| kerio | DuckBoot: but epic | 11:29 |
| * Ford_Prefect grabs some popcorn | 11:29 | |
| DuckBoot | kerio: epic PAIN - Yes - that I can agree on | 11:30 |
| kerio | pulseaudio would be better if it worked | 11:30 |
| jave | lol | 11:30 |
| jave | anyway, my n900 is mostly more stable than my fedora desktop | 11:30 |
| kerio | it's a cpu hog :( | 11:30 |
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| TiagoTiago | isn't some stuff regarding the GSM modem also be closed 'cause of laws? | 11:30 |
| kerio | TiagoTiago: rapuyama will probably be closed forever | 11:31 |
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| kerio | it doesn't really matter | 11:31 |
| kerio | although it *does* wake the phone more than it needs to | 11:31 |
| TiagoTiago | would a "this breaks warranty" be enough to comply with the law? | 11:32 |
| TermanaN900 | That has nothing to do with it | 11:33 |
| Ford_Prefect | jave: it uses /dev/dsp? :/ | 11:33 |
| Ford_Prefect | it == sbagen | 11:34 |
| TermanaN900 | The FCC regulates things harshly, and they dont want people adjusting the modem broadcasting power (or w/e) | 11:34 |
| Ford_Prefect | Still, you can probably run it on the phone with padsp or such | 11:34 |
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| TiagoTiago | Ok, how about a Warning along the lines "please obey the local regulations regarding broadcast power etc, or you will go to jail, not to mention void your warranty" ? | 11:36 |
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| TiagoTiago | Don't headphones come with warnings about not setting the volume too loud? | 11:37 |
| TermanaN900 | Its not up to Nokia. If they want to sell in the US, they have to obey US FCC regulations. Same for regulations in other places | 11:38 |
| EdLin | TiagoTiago, what did you say? | 11:38 |
| Ford_Prefect | The FCC would probably look at any relaxation of the status quo as an attempt by the phone manufacturer to tacitly encourage violation | 11:38 |
| TiagoTiago | lol | 11:38 |
| lcuk | so it looks like qole got meego handset running inside a chroot :) | 11:38 |
| lcuk | http://www.flickr.com/photos/qole2/4887457976/#/photos/qole2/4887457976/lightbox/ | 11:38 |
| Ford_Prefect | Nice! :) | 11:38 |
| TiagoTiago | If the device is meant to be sold worldwide, putting local limitations in hardware would make it more expensive | 11:39 |
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| lcuk | o_O | 11:39 |
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| lcuk | what an awesome mail | 11:41 |
| lcuk | Create delicious fuel for your galactic adventures! May the Force be with you!(TM) | 11:41 |
| TiagoTiago | lol | 11:41 |
| DuckBoot | \o/ | 11:41 |
| lcuk | Explore the Galaxy with More Star Warsâ„¢ Kitchen Gear | 11:41 |
| lcuk | Millennium Falconâ„¢ and Vader's TIE Fighterâ„¢ Sandwiches | 11:41 |
| jave | Ford_Prefect: I ported sbagen to alsa | 11:41 |
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| lcuk | Make every lunch an adventure with our | 11:41 |
| lcuk | Sandwich Cutters. Transform your Padawan | 11:41 |
| lcuk | Jedi’s favorite sandwich into a Millennium | 11:41 |
| lcuk | Falcon™ or Vader’s TIE Fighter™ with our | 11:41 |
| lcuk | exclusive tools. | 11:41 |
| lcuk | :D | 11:41 |
| lcuk | that is class | 11:42 |
| DuckBoot | lcuk: URL? | 11:42 |
| lcuk | spam mail | 11:42 |
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| lcuk | http://www.williams-sonoma.com/products/star-wars-lunch-box-sandwich-cutter/?bnrid=3102184&cm_ven=E3&cm_cat=EDM&cm_pla=0813_Starwars&cm_ite=Bakesilo_cutters&cm_em=liquid@gmail.com | 11:42 |
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| lcuk | thing is, you need to cut sandwiches with a light sabre | 11:42 |
| TiagoTiago | lol | 11:43 |
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| TiagoTiago | "the n900 is like a dog. | 11:43 |
| TiagoTiago | if you don't want to spend time for it (to make it better) it maybe the wrong device for you." | 11:43 |
| Lynoure | heh | 11:43 |
| Jaffa | Stskeeps: Thanks. | 11:44 |
| lcuk | TiagoTiago, don't | 11:44 |
| TiagoTiago | ? | 11:44 |
| lcuk | the n900 is NOT like a dog | 11:44 |
| kwtm | TiagoTiago: Hey, they didn't say that in the ads before I bought it.... | 11:44 |
| lcuk | context TiagoTiago : https://twitter.com/lcuk/status/21020087412 | 11:44 |
| TiagoTiago | is it more like a cat, pretty awesome, but only when it feels like it? | 11:45 |
| alterego | TiagoTiago: only talks to you when it needs feeding :P | 11:45 |
| TiagoTiago | lmao | 11:45 |
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| th3hate | umount: /: device is busy. | 11:47 |
| th3hate | how to know what's using it? | 11:47 |
| DuckBoot | lsof | 11:47 |
| th3hate | prints like 200 processes | 11:48 |
| th3hate | how to know which one | 11:48 |
| Stskeeps | Jaffa: just to explain the situation a little better re my role | 11:48 |
| DuckBoot | lsof | grep <path> | 11:48 |
| Robot101 | you can't usually unmount / | 11:48 |
| Robot101 | if you have any processes running... | 11:49 |
| th3hate | i need to partition the hardisk.. | 11:49 |
| DuckBoot | But if you are trying to umount /, then you are up into you neck | 11:49 |
| Robot101 | you need to mount a new / and then do pivot_root to swap them | 11:49 |
| romen | How do I access third level on my N900 keyboard? | 11:49 |
| DuckBoot | th3hate: Get a live distro | 11:49 |
| DuckBoot | th3hate: run it from a CD/DVD | 11:49 |
| Jaffa | Stskeeps: Matches my understanding, but good to get it written down | 11:49 |
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| DuckBoot | th3hate: repartition | 11:49 |
| romen | (e.g. the æ on the Scandinavian keyboard) | 11:50 |
| th3hate | so no way to umount / ? | 11:50 |
| DuckBoot | th3hate: Nope | 11:50 |
| th3hate | without running another live distro | 11:50 |
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| Robot101 | if you have a new rootfs mounted you can use pivot_root, but to have / free to unmount you'd need no running programs - so how would you run unmount? :P | 11:51 |
| th3hate | *sadface* | 11:51 |
| Robot101 | generally you can't partition a live system, but there are a few tools / filesystems that allow it | 11:52 |
| th3hate | i partitioned hardisk for windows and ubuntu half by half | 11:52 |
| th3hate | 250/250 gb | 11:52 |
| romen | and by the way you should unomount anything that is under / to be able to unmount /, don't you? | 11:52 |
| Robot101 | anyway - it sounds like you should go to #ubuntu | 11:52 |
| th3hate | ok | 11:52 |
| jacekowski | lazy umount | 11:52 |
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| th3hate | what's that? | 11:53 |
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| jacekowski | man mount | 11:53 |
| th3hate | how to do it? | 11:53 |
| Robot101 | jacekowski: uh... its not going to help | 11:54 |
| TiagoTiago | the N900 doesn't got man does it? | 11:54 |
| TiagoTiago | i mena, builtin | 11:54 |
| Robot101 | th3hate: seriously, you can't unmount /. you wouldn't be able to run anything afterwards. like, the partition tool. | 11:54 |
| Robot101 | th3hate: you need to take a different approach - and this isn't relevant to #maemo so go to #ubuntu | 11:55 |
| th3hate | ok thanks | 11:55 |
| th3hate | already there | 11:55 |
| romen | coming back to #maemo: how do I input the æ character on the scandinavian keyboard layout? | 11:55 |
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| lcuk | romen, which key would you replace? | 11:57 |
| jacekowski | Robot101: you can umount / | 11:57 |
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| jacekowski | Robot101: prepare tmpfs with required tools | 11:57 |
| EdLin | lcuk, the N900 in Scandanavian countries uses the arrow keys | 11:57 |
| jacekowski | Robot101: and then pivot_root or that kind of thing | 11:57 |
| Robot101 | jacekowski: yes, see earlier when I said that | 11:58 |
| th3hate | i have mint virtualbox running on windows, can i resize ubuntu's partition from there? | 11:58 |
| Robot101 | jacekowski: but, really, its not what this guy needs to do | 11:58 |
| lcuk | romen, EdLin http://forums.internettablettalk.com/showthread.php?t=35931 | 11:58 |
| jacekowski | what is he trying to do? | 11:58 |
| lcuk | heh @ old link | 11:58 |
| Robot101 | th3hate: you need to not ask about ubuntu and windows in #maemo | 11:58 |
| DuckBoot | jacekowski: Resize / | 11:58 |
| jacekowski | on maemo? | 11:58 |
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| Robot101 | jacekowski: no, ubuntu... | 11:59 |
| jacekowski | well, you can do it online | 11:59 |
| Robot101 | god I hate this channel sometimes | 11:59 |
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| jacekowski | modify partition table | 11:59 |
| jacekowski | then reboot to cause reread | 11:59 |
| jacekowski | and resize filesystem | 11:59 |
| jacekowski | and almost all linux filesystem can grow online | 12:00 |
| romen | lcuk: scandinavian keyboard has a key with (ä æ ?) replacing the Up Arrow of the US layout. With no modifier I get the ä, with the "blue arrow" the ?, how to get the æ ? | 12:00 |
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| jacekowski | i used to have linux on LVM2 | 12:00 |
| lcuk | romen, that thread has a load of pointers for changing key layouts, but not a specific one for your exact key, have a read and see | 12:00 |
| jacekowski | with just minimal partition for / with all lvm tools in case it goes wrong + kernel | 12:00 |
| frals | romen: change to norweigan/danish instead of fi/se? | 12:00 |
| jacekowski | everything else could be resized online | 12:00 |
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| jacekowski | lvextend -L+10G /dev/vg/home; resize_reiserfs /dev/vg/home | 12:01 |
| romen | I'm not trying to change anything, just trying to understand how to reach the 3rd character of that layout | 12:01 |
| lcuk | and jacekowski don't you know how to listen. go with th3hate into #ubuntu and continue this | 12:01 |
| th3hate | it's ok i figured it out | 12:01 |
| romen | @lcuk, @frals | 12:01 |
| th3hate | You can boot from an iso file without burning it to disk with grub2, with a distribution that supports loading completely to RAM, and resize from there. | 12:01 |
| jacekowski | lcuk: listening to other people is not something i do very well | 12:02 |
| lcuk | yeah we know jacekowski - but that does nothing to raise peoples impression of you | 12:02 |
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| frals | romen: pretty sure thats how you do it as afaiu its mostly a cost saving issue to print all nordic layouts on same hwkb | 12:05 |
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| frals | since if you have ö you wont use the danish one etc | 12:06 |
| romen | frals: oh, I didn't figured out it was just a cost saving issue, thanks! | 12:06 |
| frals | note thats just how i perceive it, i might be completlyy wrong :p | 12:06 |
| romen | frals: anyway when you start modifying the keymap you have four "level" for each key, one without modifier, one with "shift", one with "blue arrow", what is the last one? | 12:07 |
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| frals | no idea | 12:08 |
| TiagoTiago | shift+Fn? | 12:08 |
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| chem|st | how may I trigger population of the sms's dialog for contacts? | 12:12 |
| romen | TiagoTiago: I feel very dumb now xD thanks anyway xD | 12:14 |
| TiagoTiago | my guess was correct? | 12:15 |
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| lcuk | lol | 12:15 |
| romen | TiagoTiago: quite sure xD | 12:15 |
| TiagoTiago | cool :) | 12:15 |
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| TiagoTiago | Do you know if PlasmaPong can be ported to the N900 with decent performance? | 12:18 |
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| lcuk | TiagoTiago, unknown until you try it! | 12:18 |
| lcuk | if you have scratchbox give it a go | 12:18 |
| lcuk | you might surprise yourself and make a hit out of it :D | 12:18 |
| TiagoTiago | lol | 12:19 |
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| TiagoTiago | i don't think i have the knowledge for porting stuff yet | 12:19 |
| TiagoTiago | i couldn't even get this python thingy running without assistance | 12:19 |
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| chem|st | anyone? | 12:32 |
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| lcuk | chem|st, hmm | 12:33 |
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| lcuk | frals, didn't you look for similar at some point? | 12:33 |
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| chem|st | lcuk: I don't have contacts within conversations for SMS (the rest is to test just do a backup before I go further) | 12:34 |
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| chem|st | the question is how is this stored and how is it updated so I may do it by hand and have a look later what went wrong | 12:35 |
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| lcuk | chem|st, then IDK | 12:38 |
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| * nid0 beats ovi suite with a hammer and cries | 12:39 | |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, so potential for a new Maemo distmaster | 12:39 |
| lcuk | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=784443#post784443 | 12:39 |
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| lcuk | if there is one, it should be someone with passion for Maemo and understanding of the complexities of open/closed side of things | 12:41 |
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| khertan_ | Hi ! | 12:43 |
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| MohammadAG51 | grr, osso-xterm not starting | 12:44 |
| X-Fade | khertan_: Hi, sorry I missed your pm last time. | 12:44 |
| khertan_ | X-Fade: hi X-Fade ... no problem | 12:44 |
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| Stskeeps | lcuk: and unemployed.. | 12:44 |
| TermanaN900 | lcuk, if you read what quim said, he basically said there wouldnt be another one, because the resources would be better put towards MeeGo | 12:45 |
| khertan_ | This was for talking about "packaging" and maemo repository ... | 12:45 |
| khertan_ | X-fade: This was for talking about "packaging" and maemo repository ... | 12:45 |
| crashanddie | did I miss something? | 12:45 |
| * MohammadAG51 heard packaging | 12:45 | |
| TermanaN900 | crashanddie, Stskeeps got the sack for his late night partying! | 12:46 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, why does the unemplyed bit matter? | 12:46 |
| TermanaN900 | :P kidding | 12:46 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: cos there's probably many people that match but who would be unavailable. | 12:46 |
| MohammadAG51 | TermanaN900, fu, thought you were being serious | 12:46 |
| crashanddie | lcuk: I think he's implying it's a full-time job | 12:46 |
| lcuk | offer enough money to make it worthwhile and you could hire the pope if wanted | 12:46 |
| Stskeeps | and you'd have to be insane to do it with the current attacks on anyone that tries to make a difference | 12:47 |
| nid0 | I would think knowing to avoid muppets on tmo would be requirement one of the job | 12:48 |
| TermanaN900 | lcuk, some people might even do it for free | 12:48 |
| TermanaN900 | why would it be a requirement to be paid? | 12:48 |
| lcuk | TermanaN900, of course you are right, but how would an unpaid person be able to travel to get involved with the people necessary | 12:49 |
| nid0 | well, theres a difference between "paid" and "expenses covered" | 12:49 |
| Stskeeps | MohammadAG51: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=784443&postcount=32 | 12:49 |
| SpeedEvil | lcuk: Riding the rails! | 12:49 |
| lcuk | and Stskeeps you have managed the maemo distmaster role alongside all your activities for a while ;) | 12:49 |
| TermanaN900 | well, i suppose if Nokia wants them to travel, they would cover that. but the main job could be unpaid | 12:50 |
| lcuk | or is that what quim is saying | 12:50 |
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| lcuk | TermanaN900, that would be worse | 12:53 |
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| Stskeeps | morn achipa | 12:54 |
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| TermanaN900 | lcuk, how would that be worse? | 12:54 |
| lcuk | can you imagine having to distract quim or others to clear all expenses as required | 12:54 |
| achipa | morn Stskeeps | 12:55 |
| lcuk | from past experience that is messy and slow and unemployed person would usually not be able to make the outlays to allow them to expense later | 12:55 |
| TermanaN900 | isnt that what happens anyway? I doubt the maemo.org team are paying for any travel required out of their salery | 12:55 |
| Stskeeps | achipa: since you're on council too, this might be a good read to explain a little more about my role currently, http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=784443&postcount=32 | 12:55 |
| lcuk | do you know many unemployed people with a credit card? | 12:55 |
| TermanaN900 | who even said anything about unemployment? | 12:56 |
| DuckBoot | lcuk: Apparently to many unemployed ppl have Credit Cards. | 12:56 |
| TermanaN900 | i just said some people would become distmaster for free. I didnt say they would quit their jobs to do it | 12:56 |
| achipa | Stskeeps: council ? what council ? (feeble attempt at a joke) | 12:56 |
| lcuk | TermanaN900, that makes more sense, apologies mixing with what Stskeeps said :) | 12:57 |
| Stskeeps | achipa: :P | 12:57 |
| achipa | Stskeeps: I read that yesterday and (at least thought :) ) I understood that | 12:57 |
| achipa | Stskeeps: or do you wish me/us to explain this to someone or ? | 12:57 |
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| Stskeeps | achipa: nah, but i guess the essence is that i really don't function as distmaster anymore and has moved on to meego to help give people a future there.. | 12:58 |
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| Stskeeps | (professionally) | 12:59 |
| achipa | Stskeeps: yes, the naming might be a bit awkward wrt to the current situation | 12:59 |
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| Stskeeps | things have been awkward since meego got announced | 12:59 |
| achipa | Stskeeps: they'be been awkward like forever, with meego they just got VERY awkward :) | 13:00 |
| Stskeeps | if anything, i can make sure we have a proper OS for our devices that's open :) | 13:00 |
| kerio | someone should enter the nokia hq and release all the sources | 13:01 |
| TiagoTiago | to Wikileaks? | 13:02 |
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| kerio | sure, why not | 13:03 |
| Stskeeps | but basically it bends down to that i won't be referring to myself as distmaster or perform the roles of this from now on. i am still playing around with meego on n8x0 as i hate having useless devices in my house, though. | 13:03 |
| kerio | or a bigass torrent | 13:04 |
| kerio | nokia.tar.gz | 13:04 |
| kerio | i want meego on my n900 | 13:04 |
| kerio | ._. | 13:04 |
| TiagoTiago | I thought it was already avaiable, but not usuable as the main os | 13:04 |
| TermanaN900 | kerio, you'll get it, if you have patience | 13:04 |
| kerio | let me rephrase that | 13:05 |
| kerio | i want a meego that doesn't suck on my n900 | 13:05 |
| Stskeeps | kerio: you and me both. | 13:05 |
| MohammadAG51 | i want a meego that uses dpkg on my N900 :P | 13:06 |
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| kerio | MohammadAG51: that's what i said | 13:06 |
| kerio | a meego that doesn't suck | 13:06 |
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| TiagoTiago | why they decided to ditch deb? | 13:06 |
| kerio | because they were *really* high on drugs | 13:06 |
| Ford_Prefect | Because rpm is our saviour | 13:06 |
| MohammadAG51 | to annoy users? | 13:06 |
| kerio | that's the only reason i can think of | 13:07 |
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| alterego | Because MeeGo uses Moblin based image creation tools which are geared to rpm | 13:08 |
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| chem|st | we need someone who just quit with nokia and is still working there... as a col. of my bro said lately after he quit his job.."meetings? I don't go to meetings anymore... what will they do? Fire me?" LOL | 13:08 |
| frals | because really, does it really matter if its .deb or .rpm? | 13:08 |
| chem|st | frals: yes | 13:09 |
| alterego | I don't really care anymore. | 13:09 |
| Ford_Prefect | Should've just used portage | 13:09 |
| alterego | I'd prefer .deb, as I'm used to it, but I don't really care, it's the programs I care about | 13:09 |
| MohammadAG51 | frals rpm is just f'd up | 13:09 |
| kerio | frals: it does | 13:09 |
| frals | MohammadAG51: deb is fucked from where im standing :D | 13:09 |
| MohammadAG51 | i checked an rpm archive some time ago | 13:09 |
| TiagoTiago | is there some sort of translator from one type to the other? | 13:09 |
| kerio | MohammadAG51: yum install apt4rpm && apt-get remove yum | 13:09 |
| alterego | TiagoTiago: yes | 13:10 |
| MohammadAG51 | it doesn't store descrtiption | 13:10 |
| MohammadAG51 | or deps | 13:10 |
| chem|st | TiagoTiago: aliens! | 13:10 |
| MohammadAG51 | kerio, hmm, yum-my | 13:10 |
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| kerio | i'll stick to meego/harmattan | 13:10 |
| chem|st | damn hell! | 13:10 |
| chem|st | ok I am done with anything what could trigger a population of the contact's dialog within sms... any further ideas? | 13:11 |
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| frals | a what of what? | 13:12 |
| frals | contacts dialog within sms? | 13:13 |
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| chem|st | ty, I am just in between 70k lines of delphi my phone and a cup'o'coffee | 13:15 |
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| chem|st | when I tap new sms in conversations I cant type a name for auto lookup neither can I select any contacts from the "To" button, list is empty | 13:16 |
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| chem|st | well I am able to type the name but it tells no known contact | 13:17 |
| chem|st | to be a bit more precise | 13:17 |
| rmrfchik | duh. My devices start to lose Call Log :( | 13:18 |
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| frals | weird, i had that when hooking into the abook widget in fmms chem|st | 13:19 |
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| frals | ... the solution was to throw an unhandled exception in my code, dont ask me why... | 13:19 |
| chem|st | frals: that sounds fantastic! | 13:19 |
| kerio | haha what | 13:19 |
| chem|st | .oO(do I throw up now or later? sooner or later I will....) | 13:20 |
| chem|st | frals: you got any idea how I can trigger anything useful? | 13:20 |
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| pigeon | hmm, is there a limit on the number of photos shown in the n900 default image viewer? | 13:41 |
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| pigeon | i took some new photos and they just won't show up there. | 13:41 |
| pigeon | but i can see it in the file manager. | 13:41 |
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| X-Fade | MohammadAG51: ping? | 13:45 |
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| TiagoTiago | how many pictures do you have there already? | 13:46 |
| chem|st | pigeon: thats a tracker problem | 13:47 |
| pigeon | TiagoTiago: only 650 in fact. | 13:47 |
| xnt14[N900] | can anyone tell me how much battery life I can expect from my N900 in 2.5 mode with a data connection + connected to irc? | 13:47 |
| chem|st | xnt14[N900]: what do you mean with dataconnection? | 13:48 |
| pigeon | chem|st: ah right, cleaning up the tracker files now... | 13:48 |
| xnt14[N900] | chem|st, a Edge connection | 13:48 |
| pigeon | thanks | 13:48 |
| girishr | is there like a scratchbox compile farm or something :) ? where i can submit stuff for compilation and get the binaries out | 13:49 |
| chem|st | xnt14[N900]: so no data transfer, you mean connected via edge loggedin to some irc net | 13:49 |
| MohammadAG51 | X-Fade, pong | 13:49 |
| xnt14[N900] | chem|st, yes | 13:49 |
| chem|st | xnt14[N900]: at least +10h | 13:49 |
| X-Fade | MohammadAG51: Perl-modules will get optified. | 13:50 |
| xnt14[N900] | chem|st, k, thanks | 13:50 |
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| chem|st | well lets say at least +6h as it strongly depends on your signal | 13:50 |
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| chem|st | hi torsten | 13:50 |
| MohammadAG51 | X-Fade, yay, thanks! :D | 13:50 |
| chem|st | xnt14[N900]: bad reception can drag you down in less than 6hours | 13:51 |
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| chem|st | but that even happend to me with other phones | 13:51 |
| xnt14[N900] | chem|st, hmm, luckily , I have good reception in my general area... | 13:52 |
| chem|st | depending on your usage it should consume about 150mA as you use, gives you at least 8hours | 13:53 |
| chem|st | the other way round | 13:54 |
| frals | chem|st: sorry, dunno how to make it happen in a proper app :( | 13:54 |
| chem|st | frals: no proper app... I want to kick its ass from behind | 13:54 |
| xnt14[N900] | chem|st, ok | 13:54 |
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| chem|st | what happens if I reinstall osso-abook? lets see | 13:55 |
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| chem|st | nothing... | 13:56 |
| chem|st | there has to be a trigger somewhere | 13:57 |
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| xnt14[N900] | hmm | 14:01 |
| xnt14[N900] | the bus just rode through a dead zone -_- | 14:01 |
| ieatlint | a dead zone on gsm in the US... no way.. | 14:02 |
| psycho_oreos | panic? | 14:04 |
| MohammadAG51 | chem|st, purge! | 14:04 |
| TiagoTiago | perhaps some transformer blew up and a minor EMP affected the signal? | 14:05 |
| chem|st | MohammadAG51: which of this daemons? | 14:05 |
| lcuk | achipa, Stskeeps on the thread about distmaster I have made a post, I would like your input and hopefully support about it :) | 14:05 |
| chem|st | abook? | 14:06 |
| achipa | lcuk: looking into it | 14:06 |
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| xnt14_ | ... | 14:07 |
| xnt14_ | another one -_- | 14:07 |
| xnt14_ | but full bars now :) | 14:07 |
| xnt14_ | ieatlint, T-Mobile 3G, NY btw | 14:07 |
| xnt14_ | outside the city also | 14:07 |
| xnt14_ | ugh, wtf | 14:07 |
| xnt14_ | 1 bar again | 14:07 |
| ieatlint | well, if it's like's the west coast, it's hit or miss, but better than att | 14:08 |
| xnt14_ | might be the bus too, feels like a faraday cage | 14:08 |
| xnt14_ | walls made out of metal | 14:08 |
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| Guest17808 | ... | 14:09 |
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| TiagoTiago | What about the electrical wiring of the bus? | 14:12 |
| xnt14[N900]_ | TiagoTiago, true... iunno about that... | 14:12 |
| MohammadAG51 | how do i turn wifi off? | 14:13 |
| TiagoTiago | some poorly maintained fluerescent bulbs might be causing sporadic intereference, no? | 14:13 |
| MohammadAG51 | unloading the module is enough right | 14:13 |
| xnt14[N900]_ | MohammadAG51, offline mode? | 14:13 |
| ShadowJK | ifconfig wlan0 down | 14:13 |
| MohammadAG51 | xnt14[N900]_, separately | 14:13 |
| ShadowJK | or wmaster0 down | 14:13 |
| MohammadAG51 | ShadowJK, still uses power though right? | 14:14 |
| xnt14[N900]_ | MohammadAG51, ah, k | 14:14 |
| xnt14[N900]_ | TiagoTiago, possibly | 14:14 |
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| ShadowJK | MohammadAG51, not more than module unloaded I'd think? | 14:14 |
| MohammadAG51 | so it uses power even when the module is unloaded? | 14:15 |
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| chem|st | MohammadAG51: let me check that | 14:16 |
| ShadowJK | whenever the wifi bug has hit, doing ifconfig wlan0 down has reduced consumption in standy from minimum of 230mA to a minimum of 16mA for the entire device, so I'd say it's "good enough" | 14:16 |
| lcuk | MohammadAG51, xnt14[N900]_ and anyone else, could you review this post about the maemo distmaster http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=785148#post785148 | 14:16 |
| xnt14[N900]_ | lcuk, k | 14:16 |
| lcuk | and get adding some thanks if it makes sense | 14:16 |
| chem|st | ShadowJK: the 16mA I get when I turn of wifi... means disconnect | 14:16 |
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| MohammadAG51 | lcuk, k, in a bit | 14:17 |
| lcuk | achipa, \o | 14:17 |
| MohammadAG51 | ShadowJK, what about doing both? | 14:17 |
| lcuk | doh | 14:17 |
| MohammadAG51 | ifconfig down and modprobe -r | 14:17 |
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| achipa | lcuk, \o (I guess :) ) | 14:17 |
| lcuk | sorry achipa :P i mixed up attilas thanks with you :P | 14:18 |
| achipa | lcuk: if that is a joke I need more coffee :) | 14:19 |
| lcuk | achipa, no I saw a thanks on my post and waved back at you before realising it wasnt you :P | 14:19 |
| * achipa is happy he was able to trick meego.com so he didn't get a split personality (again) | 14:19 | |
| ShadowJK | MohammadAG51, I'd be surprised if the module has code in the unload section that puts chip in lower power state, and that that code wouldn't be used when wifi is in unused state | 14:20 |
| chem|st | wierd... turning of wifi (disconnect) I get down to 7-9mA, going to offline mode I am stuck +17mA | 14:20 |
| chem|st | ok +11mA not 17mA | 14:20 |
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| psycho_oreos | chem|st, could it be that the wireless is still scanning in background? | 14:21 |
| lcuk | achipa, same here sorry just have more coffee | 14:21 |
| chem|st | psycho_oreos: in offline-mode? | 14:22 |
| chem|st | MohammadAG51: no difference between rmmod and no rmmod | 14:23 |
| chem|st | at least not on short notice (minutes) | 14:23 |
| psycho_oreos | chem|st, yeah, I'm not too particularly sure what you meant by offline mode, as in ifconfig wlan0 down? and there's a possibility that the interface is still managed (and probably not dedicated management) by the wireless manager thingy | 14:23 |
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| xnt14[N900]_ | lcuk, done | 14:26 |
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| chem|st | psycho_oreos: first attempt was just hit disconnect and it went down to 7mA, second was turning on offline-mode, it went up to at least above 11mA, going the way back to rmmod it stayed at 13mA going back in online-mode it stayed at 12mA, modprobe stayed at 12mA... | 14:27 |
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| MohammadAG51 | ifconfig it is | 14:28 |
| chem|st | MohammadAG51: what do you mean | 14:28 |
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| psycho_oreos | chem|st, still don't understand what you mean by offline mode, you mean the device not connected to mobile/cellular network at all? | 14:30 |
| psycho_oreos | and disconnect being ifconfig wlan0 down? | 14:30 |
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| xnt14[N900]_ | crashanddie, kya hal hai? (iunno, was bored... :P) | 14:31 |
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| kerio | i use wifiswitcher, is that not enough? :( | 14:39 |
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| frals | hmm i wonder if i can apply the same hack as they did for "share via im" for "share via mms" | 14:40 |
| kerio | frals: share *what* via mms? | 14:41 |
| kerio | low-res photos? | 14:41 |
| kerio | :/ | 14:41 |
| lcuk | frals, see albanc | 14:41 |
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| Venemo | hi guys | 14:42 |
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| frals | kerio: yes, sharing photos is one of the use cases of mms | 14:42 |
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| kerio | sharing *low-res* photos | 14:42 |
| frals | i wouldnt consider 5mpix low res, but each to his own | 14:42 |
| kerio | you can't share a 5mp photo via mms :/ | 14:43 |
| lcuk | frals, http://alban.apinc.org/blog/2010/07/30/send-files-to-your-contacts-on-your-n900/ | 14:43 |
| albanc | frals, do you want to do that in your application? we would need some kind of coordination to know where to place your button, and where to place Monorail's "Share via IM" button | 14:44 |
| frals | kerio: i can... :( | 14:44 |
| frals | lcuk: ta | 14:44 |
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| frals | albanc: if its possible without messing up the "Share via IM" it would be neat | 14:44 |
| albanc | frade, I guess the GtkTable increases automatically, although I didn't test it | 14:45 |
| kerio | does monorail work with msn/pecan? | 14:45 |
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| kerio | and skype? | 14:45 |
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| albanc | kerio, For MSN, it works with telepathy-butterfly 0.5.12 and Papyon 0.4.9. But none of these versions are packaged yet | 14:46 |
| albanc | it does not work for skype | 14:46 |
| frals | albanc: ok, ill have a look at it when i find some time, cheers :) | 14:46 |
| BCMM | frals: high-res photos over MMS possible, but might not work if it's a cheap phone receieving it, right? | 14:47 |
| kerio | why would you use a MMS to send a photo to a phone that can receive emails? | 14:47 |
| frals | BCMM: yes, it gets lost in transit when sending to phones not supporting it or if your carrier hates you, which is usually the case | 14:47 |
| albanc | When the telepathy connection manager implements File Sharing, the feature will be automatically added in Monorail: it tests the capabilities of your contacts correctly | 14:47 |
| frals | kerio: because MMS != email | 14:48 |
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| frals | kerio: most people receiving MMS doesnt have push email setup on their phones, at least the ppl i know | 14:48 |
| frals | kerio: hence mms > email for my use case | 14:48 |
| * frals is getting pretty tired of all the MMS hate :< none forces you to use it! | 14:49 | |
| kerio | frals: heh, my carrier sends me a sms when someone sends me an email | 14:49 |
| kerio | which is exactly how MMS works, but without having to pay extra :D | 14:49 |
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| frals | i dont pay extra for mms | 14:50 |
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| kerio | you don't pay extra to send them? :o | 14:50 |
| kerio | s/extra / | 14:50 |
| frals | no | 14:50 |
| * albanc is thinking of using g_object_set_qdata/g_object_get_qdata on the GtkTable to specify where the next button should be placed. If the qdata is absent, place the button on (2,2) and set the qdata to (2,3) or something. If the qdata is present place the button as specified by the qdata. | 14:50 | |
| chem|st | frals: thats not the case for all ppl I know ;) | 14:50 |
| albanc | frade, does it looks sane to use that to communicate between plugins? | 14:51 |
| kerio | albanc: kludges over kludges = bad | 14:51 |
| kerio | set up a "standard" way to add buttons there | 14:51 |
| albanc | open sourcing lib sharing-dialog would be better | 14:51 |
| frals | albanc: sounds good | 14:52 |
| albanc | I am not sure if dpkg-diverts can be done twice | 14:52 |
| kerio | nokia: please release the source for libsharing-dialog | 14:52 |
| kerio | nokia? | 14:52 |
| kerio | hmm, not answering... | 14:52 |
| pigeon | i wonder when they're going to make angry pigs... | 14:53 |
| albanc | maybe we need a component which does the dpkg-diverts and have a better interface to place other buttons? | 14:53 |
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| albanc | I'm not sure what is the right thing to do | 14:54 |
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| lcuk | albanc, :) I am writing a request as we speak | 14:56 |
| lcuk | your hackery has shown its possible, but would be 100000000000% better if we could do it cleanly | 14:56 |
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| kerio | albanc: write a standard wrapper that takes care of that, so if/when it gets opensourced you can just change that instead of having to change every program | 14:57 |
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| lcuk | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11128 | 15:00 |
| povbot | Bug 11128: Opening the source for Sharing services framework | 15:00 |
| lcuk | albanc, frals and anyone interested in open sharing, please vote on this | 15:00 |
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| lcuk | and albanc :) thank you for going through the trouble of working out how to do it even with the closed aspects. showing open source CAN work around road blocks is important | 15:02 |
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| frals | bah, HEL subway needs better 3g coverage | 15:11 |
| E0x | in what situation you use 3g ? | 15:12 |
| CameLinis | hiiii | 15:12 |
| kerio | voted | 15:12 |
| E0x | i asking because i almost use 2g for almost every time because the battery drain | 15:12 |
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| CameLinis | heyy anyone! can anyone prove life sucks? | 15:13 |
| E0x | wtf ? | 15:13 |
| kerio | CameLinis: well, P!=NP | 15:13 |
| kerio | if you're into crypto, life doesn't suck | 15:13 |
| ieatlint | haha | 15:13 |
| frals | E0x: streaming ;) | 15:14 |
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| kerio | E0x: using the 'net | 15:14 |
| CameLinis | well no, life full of sucking! | 15:14 |
| xnt14[N900] | kerio, :P | 15:14 |
| kerio | 400-500kb/s is not unusual here | 15:14 |
| kerio | i mean, not with my carrier :( | 15:14 |
| CameLinis | You're born, you suck your mother's tits. You get a little older, you suck your girlfriend's tits. You get married, you suck your wife's tits. That's what life is. Life sucks." | 15:14 |
| kerio | but with the main one | 15:14 |
| CameLinis | then life sucks | 15:14 |
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| chem|st | CameLinis: thats not backwards compatible... | 15:15 |
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| kerio | chem|st: unless you get married to your mother | 15:15 |
| E0x | kerio: ? | 15:16 |
| chem|st | kerio: if life sucks I get sucked not me sucking right? | 15:16 |
| * chem|st is feeling swallowed | 15:16 | |
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| CameLinis | lol, well, he got a point=x | 15:17 |
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| ieatlint | life does suck, i've not known anyone with a high IQ who claims otherwise | 15:17 |
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| E0x | btw i do a desktop switcher , for change desktop/view/workspace without wipe | 15:17 |
| chem|st | ieatlint: IQ is bullshit | 15:17 |
| E0x | swipe* | 15:17 |
| E0x | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=780553 | 15:17 |
| ieatlint | chem|st: depends what you think it means | 15:18 |
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| E0x | is a very dirty code and not very good , but "work" | 15:18 |
| CameLinis | Chem|St: then whts not bullshit | 15:18 |
| CameLinis | ? | 15:18 |
| lcuk | andre__, sounds good! | 15:18 |
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| chem|st | ieatlint: by definition it is how old your mind is in regard of your real age so it is bullshit in regard of intelligence if you ask for opinion | 15:19 |
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| CameLinis | well, a young kid can own an adult person.. | 15:20 |
| ieatlint | i disagree with your definition of IQ | 15:20 |
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| CameLinis | IQ: ability to shine, when everybody can't? | 15:20 |
| CameLinis | many definitions.. | 15:21 |
| chem|st | at the age of 14 I had an IQ of 125, with math 105 language 135 and the others I don't remember, that doesn't mean I am some what genius, it just means I could do stuff an 18 year old is able to do... | 15:21 |
| ieatlint | heh, either way, my point is not about defining IQ, but that above average intelligent people are prone to unhappier lives | 15:21 |
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| ieatlint | chem|st: so does a person aged 50 with a 125 IQ have the mind of a 60 year old? | 15:22 |
| ieatlint | that makes no sense | 15:22 |
| CameLinis | well but intelligent people got their limit | 15:22 |
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| ieatlint | intelligence != smart | 15:22 |
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| chem|st | ieatlint: true | 15:22 |
| ieatlint | intelligence is more linked to potential than anything else | 15:22 |
| ieatlint | on a related note, i have whiskey | 15:23 |
| CameLinis | well, not neccessary.. | 15:23 |
| CameLinis | if u mind got tired, u can't solve things.. | 15:24 |
| CameLinis | this means u not intelligent? | 15:24 |
| nid0 | IQ age-equivilence is generally accepted to level off by about 16, using ratio iq above that age is essentially meaningless, which is why deviation iq is the norm method these days | 15:24 |
| ieatlint | no, it means you're tired | 15:24 |
| CameLinis | then about what u said; ntelligence is more linked to potential than anything else? | 15:25 |
| ieatlint | heh, all i can say is that i spend 80% of my time dealing with people with an IQ over 120, but i'm forced to deal with someone whose IQ is in the upper 70s... and wow | 15:25 |
| ieatlint | blissful ignorance is only blissful when it's a choice | 15:26 |
| ihme-TTilus | any other way to make the cursor visible than the left swipe trick in browser? | 15:26 |
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| chem|st | ihme-TTilus: nope | 15:27 |
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| nid0 | fwiw, that left swipe isnt a trick, its just "the way" to make the cursor visible. | 15:27 |
| albanc | frals, kerio : 2 packages (monorail for file transfers and mms) dpkg-diverting the same lib sharing-dialog cannot work... so, yes we need a better standard wrapper to have both sharing via IM and MMS... | 15:27 |
| chem|st | CameLinis: yeah that is exactly what they said after the test "Your potential skills for ... are, with an influence of ..." | 15:28 |
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| TTilus | nid0: "trick" could be misleading term, yes | 15:28 |
| chem|st | or with a weightening... cant remember the exact words... but some alike | 15:29 |
| TTilus | the fact that the browser is capable of making the cursor visible brought up my hopes that it might me controllable in some other ways too ... which i prolly could use with x2x | 15:29 |
| xnt14[N900] | chem|st, btw, battery at 856mAh/68% holding up good so far :) | 15:30 |
| th3hate | Any idea whats causing this problem: | 15:31 |
| th3hate | http://img827.imageshack.us/img827/3228/screenshot2010081315261.png | 15:31 |
| th3hate | i did apt-get update and i still get it | 15:32 |
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| CameLinis | hmm | 15:32 |
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| CameLinis | there is a problem tho =x | 15:32 |
| th3hate | ORLY? | 15:32 |
| CameLinis | yeah, u can't see? | 15:32 |
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| th3hate | nah im blind | 15:33 |
| CameLinis | no wonder, that's why u asked. | 15:33 |
| th3hate | asked? | 15:33 |
| CameLinis | yeah? | 15:34 |
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| th3hate | asked for you getting kicked :P? | 15:34 |
| th3hate | yep | 15:34 |
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| th3hate | !kick CameLinis | 15:34 |
| CameLinis | wtf with u | 15:34 |
| th3hate | infobot kick CameLinis | 15:34 |
| * infobot kicks CameLinis | 15:34 | |
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| th3hate | owned :P | 15:34 |
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| th3hate | infobot burry CameLinis alive | 15:35 |
| oli | hi, can anyone remind me how to set volume in maemo diablo? | 15:35 |
| CameLinis | let me guess, when u get bored, u talk to the bot? | 15:35 |
| kerio | ~botsnack | 15:35 |
| infobot | kerio: :) | 15:35 |
| oli | it was something like echo 80 > /sys/.... | 15:35 |
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| kerio | hey, there *is* a problem with the microusb connector | 15:36 |
| kerio | yay | 15:36 |
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| kerio | hopefully i can get a full replacement with the glued connector | 15:37 |
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| kerio | MohammadAG: why didn't you tell me that the faulty microusb port was a recognized problem? | 15:39 |
| * kerio feels comforted | 15:39 | |
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| MohammadAG | o_O | 15:39 |
| kerio | i asked a lot during these days | 15:40 |
| kerio | and nobody told me it wasn't my fault ._. | 15:40 |
| kerio | i felt guilty towards my cute little n900 | 15:40 |
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| MohammadAG | kerio, it is your fault | 15:42 |
| kerio | :'( | 15:42 |
| MohammadAG | actually, it's frals's | 15:42 |
| kerio | yay | 15:43 |
| * MohammadAG blames frals | 15:43 | |
| kerio | wait, he came here and broke my microusb port? | 15:43 |
| kerio | that bastard! | 15:43 |
| TiagoTiago | TTilus: I use this script that adds a icon in the app menu called MouseCursor , I'll get you the name of the package in a sec | 15:43 |
| MohammadAG | yeah, he also started WWII | 15:43 |
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| rmrfchik | damn.. I'm afraid of getting usb problem. As you in civil world can't get support, what it will in russia? | 15:43 |
| kerio | MohammadAG: :O so that's where Hitler hid | 15:43 |
| kerio | i knew that suicide thing was fake | 15:43 |
| MohammadAG | no worries, in soviet russia, USB ports break you | 15:43 |
| rmrfchik | I suppose nokia stuff just shoot customers | 15:43 |
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| xnt14[N900] | lol | 15:43 |
| * TiagoTiago is frozen picturing giant sized USB charger raping people until their socket falls off | 15:44 | |
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| MohammadAG | O_O | 15:44 |
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| xnt14[N900] | '_' | 15:44 |
| kerio | >.< | 15:44 |
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| TiagoTiago | T.T | 15:45 |
| rmrfchik | nokia is nightmare... WAKE ME UP | 15:45 |
| MohammadAG | Wake me up inside | 15:46 |
| MohammadAG | somehow, I think no one here knows that song | 15:46 |
| CameLinis | how to wake u up?:p | 15:46 |
| TiagoTiago | Evanescence? | 15:46 |
| CameLinis | hmm, save it..? | 15:46 |
| CameLinis | yep. | 15:46 |
| MohammadAG | TiagoTiago, ty for proving me wrong, though I hate all their other songs xD | 15:47 |
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| CameLinis | inside the fire <3? | 15:47 |
| * MohammadAG goes back to Bullet for my Valentine | 15:47 | |
| TiagoTiago | I prefer My Imortal | 15:47 |
| MohammadAG | I suppose if there's nothing on topic, this isn't off topic? | 15:48 |
| th3hate | what was the topic again? | 15:48 |
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| CameLinis | mohammad, where u from? | 15:48 |
| MohammadAG | Mars | 15:49 |
| xnt14[N900] | lol | 15:49 |
| CameLinis | heaven :D? | 15:49 |
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| rmrfchik | INCEPTION | 15:49 |
| xnt14[N900] | CameLinis, where are _you_ from? | 15:49 |
| MohammadAG | Jerusalem, PS/IL :P | 15:49 |
| CameLinis | hehe Palestine | 15:49 |
| xnt14[N900] | lol | 15:49 |
| TiagoTiago | ? | 15:49 |
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| xnt14[N900] | NY,US here, pakistani-american | 15:49 |
| CameLinis | xnt, why? u wanna marry me? | 15:49 |
| TiagoTiago | I missed the joke, could someone care to explain to me please? | 15:50 |
| xnt14[N900] | CameLinis, lol, no. just cause you asked MohammadAG :P | 15:50 |
| CameLinis | no need, u wont get it | 15:50 |
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| CameLinis | lol xnt i know :p | 15:50 |
| xnt14[N900] | CameLinis, tab completion? | 15:51 |
| xnt14[N900] | its a tad annoying, my notifications don't work... | 15:51 |
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| rmrfchik | TiagoTiago: One bear walked in forset. Saw the burning car and sat in there. And burned. | 15:51 |
| TiagoTiago | i see | 15:52 |
| TiagoTiago | a quick question, in which folder/file are the shortcuts in the app menu stored? | 15:53 |
| MohammadAG | /usr/share/applications/hildon | 15:53 |
| MohammadAG | /usr/share/applications/hildon-home for widgets | 15:53 |
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| TiagoTiago | thanx | 15:54 |
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| TiagoTiago | TTilus, try: osso-xterm /usr/bin/togglemouse | 16:01 |
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| TiagoTiago | that is what the shortcut i mentioned does | 16:03 |
| TiagoTiago | i'm not sure if it has always been there or if i installed that, i an't find any mouse related thing in the list of stuff to uninstall in HAM | 16:04 |
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| TiagoTiago | seems you don't need the osso-xterm part, you can run the togglemouse prog directly | 16:05 |
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| TiagoTiago | are you still there? | 16:07 |
| TiagoTiago | hm, i can't receive files via skype in the N900? | 16:08 |
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| MohammadAG | TiagoTiago, afaik, no, sadly | 16:10 |
| lcuk | MohammadAG, you have been monitoring specific changes made to hildon components a bit more than me - any chance you can put a list together of the different forks and variations | 16:10 |
| lcuk | so I can highlight them | 16:10 |
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| TiagoTiago | TTilus? | 16:12 |
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| TiagoTiago | the resolution for full wallpapaers isn't 3200x480? | 16:19 |
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| xnt14[N900] | TiagoTiago, thats for panaromic wallpapers | 16:19 |
| TiagoTiago | yeah | 16:19 |
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| TiagoTiago | that's what i meant | 16:20 |
| TiagoTiago | do i have to split the image or is it supposed to work if i make it that resolotuion? | 16:20 |
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| MohammadAG | who's interested in making a PS3Trophies.com app? | 16:25 |
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| MohammadAG | lcuk, hmm, I'll check gitorious | 16:26 |
| E0x | what is that ( PS3Trophies.com ) ? | 16:26 |
| lcuk | MohammadAG, gitorious shows us official ones and can be seen | 16:27 |
| MohammadAG | a site for tracking ps3 trophies, there was a request for an app here, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=59732&page=1 | 16:27 |
| MohammadAG | talking to the main site dev, the api will use a pass so the app has to be closed | 16:27 |
| MohammadAG | closed source that is | 16:28 |
| GAN900 | Stskeeps, something makes me thing there wont be budget for somebody to refill the role. | 16:28 |
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| TTilus | TiagoTiago: ! | 16:29 |
| Stskeeps | GAN900: dunno | 16:29 |
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| TiagoTiago | it works? | 16:29 |
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| TTilus | TiagoTiago: gonna try when im done eating | 16:30 |
| TiagoTiago | ah, okie | 16:30 |
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| E0x | MohammadAG_: idea for phone control : IM status change | 16:36 |
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| MohammadAG_ | E0x, will look into it :) | 16:38 |
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| GAN900 | Stskeeps, I can guess. | 16:46 |
| Stskeeps | GAN900: guessing never gets anyone everywhere when it comes to money, asking does | 16:48 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 16:48 |
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| lcuk | GAN900, as I said to you the other night, it matters whether you market yourself as dead end or not. I for one will not let 5 years of hard work in the maemo system go into nothingness and think this whole damn community deserves to at least have someone fighting for that | 16:51 |
| GAN900 | Stskeeps, last time we asked, the answer was "no". | 16:51 |
| Stskeeps | GAN900: for debmaster? | 16:51 |
| GAN900 | So I'm not optimistic, although it'll certainly be pursued. | 16:51 |
| GAN900 | Yes | 16:51 |
| E0x | ovi maps is create using Qt libs right ? | 16:51 |
| E0x | i mean ovi maps app | 16:51 |
| timeless | i think ovi maps is mostly webruntime :) | 16:52 |
| kerio | what do i have to know regarding the battery indicator and unofficial batteries? | 16:52 |
| kerio | or even just different batteries | 16:52 |
| kerio | does the battery chip get confused somehow' | 16:52 |
| kerio | ? | 16:52 |
| kerio | ovi maps sucks ._. | 16:52 |
| ShadowJK | The chip doesn't, the software does | 16:52 |
| E0x | timeless: but the gui of settings and that kind of things | 16:52 |
| E0x | ? | 16:52 |
| timeless | i think so | 16:53 |
| E0x | kerio: yes maybe but the gui is really good looking | 16:53 |
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| timeless | some of it might have just been HTML+CSS using Gecko | 16:53 |
| E0x | in that was i thinking , because i saw the QPlaylist app and look a bit the same | 16:53 |
| timeless | the rest of it was basically a plugin | 16:53 |
| lcuk | with open source, the future is in OUR hands and we determine its future. no OSS project can die. I will try to do what I can to allow it to flourish | 16:53 |
| SpeedEvil | lcuk: bullshit. | 16:53 |
| kerio | ShadowJK: what do i have to do then? | 16:53 |
| kerio | it's a used battery vs a fake battery - which is possibly the worst combination there is, short of using a mugen battery | 16:54 |
| timeless | lcuk: practicing to be a politician? | 16:54 |
| ShadowJK | kerio, so I've seen two behaviours. One is where it displays full until about 15% remaining, at which point it says it's empty "5%". In the other scenario the meter actually moves, but it says empty at 25%, and then shuts down 12 hours later. | 16:54 |
| SpeedEvil | lcuk: Open source projects die when they do not keep up with other software for porrting. | 16:54 |
| SpeedEvil | lcuk: I can point at a few opensource projects that have died, and would require huge effort to resurrect. | 16:54 |
| SpeedEvil | http://www.complang.tuwien.ac.at/ulrich/mergemem/ | 16:54 |
| SpeedEvil | mergemem - for example. | 16:55 |
| kerio | open source projects can die easily | 16:55 |
| SpeedEvil | Many other out-of-tree kernel modules. | 16:55 |
| SpeedEvil | Even some in-tree. | 16:55 |
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| kerio | their codebase can't, though | 16:55 |
| kerio | which is what matters | 16:55 |
| GAN900 | If nobody's there to keep improving the code, of course it'll die. | 16:55 |
| SpeedEvil | It's really not. | 16:55 |
| GAN900 | And that's pretty much where we're at now. | 16:56 |
| lcuk | yes timeless - sometimes hearing downbeat bullshit for things we work around makes me :( | 16:56 |
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| SpeedEvil | If I can only use the app by installing a 1997 linux system - for whatever reason - it's dead. | 16:56 |
| lcuk | GAN900, of course, theres plenty of technically capable code there | 16:56 |
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| lcuk | the meego apps should be runnable with some encouragment | 16:57 |
| SpeedEvil | For example, I have some compressed ext2 filesystems somewhere. | 16:57 |
| lcuk | without having to change whilst meego OS isnt ready yet | 16:57 |
| lcuk | can incrementally update | 16:57 |
| SpeedEvil | The compression format changed, and the only way to rrecover them would be to find out which 2.0.? kernel made them. | 16:57 |
| SpeedEvil | and build a system | 16:57 |
| lcuk | and looking at opera revival | 16:57 |
| kerio | SpeedEvil: but you *can* | 16:57 |
| kerio | that's the point | 16:57 |
| lcuk | and all the mods and tweaks made to the already open code | 16:57 |
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| lcuk | hell, if someone wanted they could resurrect mer | 16:58 |
| SpeedEvil | 'You can' is a most pernicious misconception. | 16:58 |
| crashanddie | It's like saying "you can cut off your own leg", but really, you wouldn't. | 16:59 |
| SpeedEvil | http://cu.nniling.us/644/ | 16:59 |
| SpeedEvil | Also - wtf - I diddn't look at the URL | 16:59 |
| zash | haha | 17:00 |
| SpeedEvil | http://xkcd.com/644/ | 17:00 |
| lcuk | timeless, its going to take something to actually try and open the code up, so I might as well practice | 17:00 |
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| lcuk | SpeedEvil, the difference with maemo is its a live running system with a non insignificant highly adept userbase | 17:01 |
| SpeedEvil | Now, yes. | 17:02 |
| jophish | lcuk, remember that problem I had with g and h turning off the phone? | 17:02 |
| lcuk | and we have seen from lots of sides that improvements come and patches float around | 17:02 |
| SpeedEvil | The userbase may in fact be large enough to be a continuing community. | 17:02 |
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| GAN900 | Given unlimited time and unlimited expertise, sure, you can do anything. | 17:04 |
| kerio | is there a way to wipe the content of my n900 without using a usb cable? | 17:04 |
| lcuk | jophish, hmm no? | 17:04 |
| GAN900 | lcuk, rapidly dwindling. | 17:04 |
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| TiagoTiago | I think i saw it on the forum, or perhaps it was here | 17:04 |
| TiagoTiago | kerio, you want an autodestruct mode? | 17:05 |
| kerio | TiagoTiago: no, i'll just have to give my beloved phone to nokia | 17:05 |
| kerio | and i'd like to wipe it good | 17:05 |
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| TiagoTiago | ah, get rid of porn and unauthorized copies of software and other artwork while leaving no trace that you did that? | 17:06 |
| lcuk | GAN900, i would be saying entirely different things had meego actually been a ready to use replacement on our devices | 17:06 |
| TTilus | TiagoTiago: i dont have that /usr/bin/togglemouse | 17:07 |
| TiagoTiago | :( | 17:07 |
| SpeedEvil | kerio: for x in /dev/*;do dd if=/dev/urandom of=$x;done | 17:07 |
| kerio | TiagoTiago: maybe | 17:07 |
| kerio | also my personal data | 17:07 |
| kerio | SpeedEvil: i bet nokia won't like that | 17:07 |
| nid0 | just rm -rf /home/user/MyDocs and reset device/browser to default/clear cache etc? that or write over everything from /dev/urandom if you're real paranoid | 17:08 |
| jophish | lcuk, anyway, I solved the problem. The pins on the battery had become a bit loose, and certain key combinations must have been flexing the phone just so that the - terminal would lose contact | 17:08 |
| kerio | nid0: good point | 17:08 |
| jophish | Out of interest, what does the third pin do on the battery? | 17:08 |
| MohammadAG_ | umm, isn't there a clear data option in settings? | 17:08 |
| lcuk | jophish, o_O wow | 17:08 |
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| MohammadAG_ | brb, need to reboot, speakers not working | 17:08 |
| SpeedEvil | jophish: irt's little more than a battery present connection | 17:08 |
| kerio | jophish: data | 17:08 |
| X-Fade | MohammadAG_: Yes there is. | 17:08 |
| SpeedEvil | it's not data | 17:08 |
| SpeedEvil | It's a resistor | 17:08 |
| kerio | SpeedEvil: "i'm here" it's data | 17:09 |
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| lcuk | jophish, did you bend the pins back in ? o_O | 17:09 |
| jophish | lcuk, yeah, after buying a new battery :/ | 17:09 |
| jophish | works fine now | 17:09 |
| kerio | LOL | 17:09 |
| lcuk | lol, at least you have a spare | 17:09 |
| * lcuk has not heard of that ever being a problem on any device | 17:10 | |
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| jophish | Taking an aeroplane journey tomorrow, so useful for that | 17:10 |
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| lcuk | GAN900, I would like to allow the Meego handset apps to run individually on maemo. it will help allow developers to improve those applications | 17:11 |
| lcuk | thereby helping everyone | 17:11 |
| lcuk | without having to give up a nice stable OS to do so | 17:11 |
| TiagoTiago | how can i find what the package is called if i only have the app menu shortcut? | 17:11 |
| kerio | i bought a unofficial battery + external charger with usb port that hopefully works like the nokia wallcharger - probably not - for 20€ shipped | 17:11 |
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| nid0 | TiagoTiago you have the shortcut name? | 17:12 |
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| TiagoTiago | and the shortcut file | 17:14 |
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| DrIDK | hello! I get something strange on my N900... I m trying to show a color gradient picture in my Qt application, and it looks bad, gradient is not smoothy! Like when you convert a gradient 24 bits to 16 bits | 17:19 |
| lcuk | well, thats to be expected since the x11 is set to 16bit | 17:20 |
| lcuk | or 15 or whatever it actually is | 17:20 |
| TiagoTiago | why? | 17:20 |
| lcuk | multitude of historical performance reasons lost in time | 17:20 |
| SpeedEvil | Is the hardware display 24? | 17:20 |
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| timeless | no | 17:21 |
| timeless | this is written on the box.. | 17:21 |
| kerio | it's 16? | 17:22 |
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| TiagoTiago | http://pastebin.com/7bipRFRL <- the contents of the shortcut file | 17:22 |
| timeless | well, smoeone's box.. | 17:22 |
| Stskeeps | i think the display is actually 24 but 16 performs better.. | 17:23 |
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| TTilus | TiagoTiago: looks like bluetooth mouse support pkg has showmouse/hidemouse binaries which the togglemouse supposedly uses | 17:23 |
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| TTilus | TiagoTiago: thanks alot! | 17:23 |
| TiagoTiago | less bits to send to the GPU? | 17:23 |
| TiagoTiago | cool :) | 17:24 |
| TiagoTiago | cool! * | 17:24 |
| lcuk | SpeedEvil, YUV mode shows full colour textures, so much so, when I switch between YUV and RGB I can see gradient steps appear from where smooth ones were visible before | 17:24 |
| SpeedEvil | http://pastebin.com/LVbCWDB1 | 17:24 |
| SpeedEvil | xdpyinfo | 17:24 |
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| SpeedEvil | does that mean X can do 24? | 17:24 |
| SpeedEvil | In general - less data moved means less power use. | 17:24 |
| lcuk | x11 certainly can, whether all the fixes in place ontop and the compositor etc can is a different issue | 17:25 |
| SpeedEvil | I have one laptop that uses 10% less power when on (at dimmest brightness) with a 4 bit display than a 24 | 17:25 |
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| lcuk | less data == more speed | 17:25 |
| crashanddie | lcuk: how bpp is YUV? | 17:26 |
| crashanddie | lcuk: 16? | 17:26 |
| lcuk | 24 | 17:26 |
| DrIDK | So look here : http://img26.xooimage.com/files/5/7/a/screenshot-20100813-162200-1f3e3fc.png | 17:26 |
| lcuk | but different pixel layout | 17:26 |
| lcuk | less colour pixels | 17:26 |
| crashanddie | lcuk: don't you just need to do tone/colour mapping? | 17:26 |
| crashanddie | well, "just" is maybe the wrong word | 17:26 |
| SpeedEvil | I need to work out how to get xrandr to do non-orthogonal screens. | 17:26 |
| SpeedEvil | It _should_ be possible. | 17:26 |
| ShadowJK | lcuk, you're not using YV12? | 17:26 |
| TiagoTiago | I remember back a few Windows versions ago there was some sort of glitch with the drivers that made using 16bpp slower than 24bpp | 17:26 |
| lcuk | crashanddie, for a tiny square of 4 pixels | 17:27 |
| ShadowJK | lcuk, YUY2? | 17:27 |
| lcuk | there are 4 bytes of grey information | 17:27 |
| kerio | DrIDK: that's ugly ._. | 17:27 |
| SpeedEvil | The manpage says you can. I want a 30 degree offset display on my laptop | 17:27 |
| lcuk | and 2 bytes of U and V info | 17:27 |
| DrIDK | kerio:do you have a solution | 17:27 |
| DrIDK | ? | 17:27 |
| lcuk | ShadowJK, I cannot remember the technical name for it I will hunt | 17:27 |
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| ShadowJK | lcuk, well is it planar or packed? :P | 17:31 |
| lcuk | ShadowJK, the xvideo layer I write to is planar, but the data is transfered t othe LCD from xv using some chunky format - so BOTH | 17:32 |
| lcuk | :P | 17:32 |
| SpeedEvil | Is there a 'simple' way to show an arbitrary colour on the main indicator LED? | 17:32 |
| SpeedEvil | Or is it make a new pattern | 17:33 |
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| TiagoTiago | I forgot, what's the name of that organisation that defends open source? the big one | 17:39 |
| Appiah | fsf? | 17:39 |
| xnt14[N900] | TiagoTiago, EFF | 17:39 |
| xnt14[N900] | ? | 17:39 |
| xnt14[N900] | Electronic Frontier Foundation. | 17:40 |
| TiagoTiago | IS that the one that is the world referenec for "open source" ? | 17:40 |
| TiagoTiago | Is* | 17:40 |
| xnt14[N900] | hmm | 17:41 |
| TiagoTiago | I'm trying to rmember the name of that one that gives a seal of aproval for licenses that are trully free | 17:41 |
| xnt14[N900] | ah | 17:41 |
| xnt14[N900] | osu | 17:41 |
| xnt14[N900] | hmm | 17:41 |
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| TiagoTiago | it isn't EFF , is it? | 17:43 |
| xnt14[N900] | TiagoTiago, open source initiative - http://www.opensource.org/approval | 17:43 |
| xnt14[N900] | hmm | 17:43 |
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| Termana | TiagoTiago, OSI licenses | 17:43 |
| xnt14[N900] | Termana, opensource initiative = osi btw | 17:44 |
| E0x | open source != free software | 17:44 |
| xnt14[N900] | TiagoTiago, no, eff advocates oss and net neutrality | 17:44 |
| xnt14[N900] | etc | 17:44 |
| xnt14[N900] | privacy rights | 17:44 |
| TiagoTiago | freedom of speech too, no? | 17:44 |
| Termana | xnt14[N900], I know, but you quicker than me | 17:44 |
| Termana | :P | 17:44 |
| Termana | you were* | 17:45 |
| xnt14[N900] | TiagoTiago, yes | 17:45 |
| GAN900 | crashanddie, on the amphetamines yet? | 17:45 |
| xnt14[N900] | Termana, lol, I'm on an N900 too... | 17:45 |
| xnt14[N900] | ty | 17:45 |
| Termana | E0x, join us now and share the software, you'll be free hackers you'll be freeeee | 17:46 |
| TiagoTiago | hm, perhaps FSF is the one i'm going for? | 17:46 |
| Termana | TiagoTiago, the FSF licenses are those that are free software licenses | 17:46 |
| xnt14[N900] | TiagoTiago, for what? | 17:46 |
| TiagoTiago | the one i'm trying to remember | 17:46 |
| TiagoTiago | https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Free_Software_Foundation | 17:46 |
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| Termana | Oh I scrolled up | 17:47 |
| Termana | the original question wasn't even about licenses | 17:47 |
| Termana | :P | 17:47 |
| TiagoTiago | lol | 17:47 |
| Termana | TiagoTiago, are you looking for the organisation that does legalese for the FSF? | 17:48 |
| Termana | The Software Freedom Law Center? | 17:48 |
| Termana | Or what exactly are you defining as defend? | 17:49 |
| crashanddie | GAN900: nope, trying to find a file that is actually a directory, which has a hidden file, which could be named randomly (but we're not sure), and the file(directory)name isn't sure either | 17:49 |
| crashanddie | GAN900: on a production server, where we're also doing our tests | 17:50 |
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| crashanddie | *snif* *snif* What is that I smell? Is grandma baking her nice recipe for disaster again? | 17:50 |
| TiagoTiago | i'm reading this thread on tmo about a petition for opening Maemo, when i'm finished with the 5 pages i'm gonna psot there that i think it wuold be better to make a "bet" with Nokia , people that want them to open stuff will donate to a fund, and if after N years Nokia hasn't openeed things enough, the money would go to FSF instead | 17:50 |
| TiagoTiago | id they do open it, they get the money | 17:51 |
| TiagoTiago | if* | 17:51 |
| * mgedmin somehow doubts the amount of money in such a fund would be noticeable compared to nokia's usual income | 17:51 | |
| crashanddie | TiagoTiago: you really think that a couple thousand dollars makes a difference to a multinational which has a market capitalisation of $33.000.000.000? | 17:51 |
| TiagoTiago | crashanddie: list all files and fodlers and sort by date? or you don't know when it was created? | 17:52 |
| kerio | hey, it's a free couple thousand dollars | 17:52 |
| crashanddie | kerio: you can't actually donate money to a publicly traded company | 17:52 |
| TiagoTiago | invest it so it will grow by itself over the years | 17:52 |
| Termana | You could promise to buy a whole heap of Nokia shares | 17:53 |
| Termana | They should only be a couple of cents at the moment right? | 17:53 |
| Termana | :P | 17:53 |
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| TiagoTiago | the donation is to help open up the code, spread free open source software, either by nokia doing it, or by giving the money to FSF for them to do their thing | 17:53 |
| crashanddie | TiagoTiago: ok, let's admit that we manage to grab $5000 from donations | 17:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: (LED color) just write arbitrary values to */brightness | 17:53 |
| TiagoTiago | remeber this will last a few years | 17:53 |
| Termana | Nokia is getting $10000 at least from each MeeGo conference sponsors I doubt they are too worried about the communities $5000 :P | 17:54 |
| TiagoTiago | it's not jsut a one time event, over the yearspeople will donate more and more | 17:54 |
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| crashanddie | TiagoTiago: and that we get an 8% interest rate (very unlikely), after 3 years, we'd only have some $6300 | 17:54 |
| timeless | s/communities/community's/ | 17:54 |
| crashanddie | TiagoTiago: even after 10 years, there would only be $11000 or something | 17:54 |
| crashanddie | that's not even 3 months worth of salary for ONE engineer. | 17:55 |
| TiagoTiago | even if the money was invested in somthing profitable for the duration? | 17:55 |
| crashanddie | TiagoTiago: erhm... yes, at 8% | 17:55 |
| crashanddie | you don't get 8% these days | 17:55 |
| crashanddie | you get maybe... 3%? | 17:55 |
| crashanddie | the higher the interest, the higher the risk, so there's a good chance everything would be lost anyway | 17:56 |
| mc_teo` | is there a way to manually enable and disable catalogues? | 17:56 |
| * crashanddie facepalms at most people's understanding of credits and interests | 17:56 | |
| TiagoTiago | what about savings account? | 17:56 |
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| crashanddie | TiagoTiago: exactly the same principle? | 17:56 |
| TiagoTiago | not enough? | 17:56 |
| crashanddie | interests never made that much money in low amounts | 17:57 |
| mc_teo` | i gotta move me to a country with an 8% interest rate | 17:57 |
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| crashanddie | mc_teo`: yeah, I wouldn't mind that either | 17:57 |
| mc_teo` | 2.75% on one year deposit accounts here atm | 17:58 |
| crashanddie | yeah, best account in FR is currently 2.75 for 3 months, then 1.45% | 17:58 |
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| mc_teo` | 3.75% is the highest ive seen, but thats with a 3 year deposit | 17:58 |
| h4xordood | hi :) | 17:58 |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: hmm - why diddn't I think that's work | 17:58 |
| TiagoTiago | I once met a guy that had inherit so much money that jsut keeping it invested was giving him like about 5k profit each month | 17:58 |
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| crashanddie | TiagoTiago: well, yeah, but only if you have heaps of money | 17:58 |
| h4xordood | i have a question how can i install flashplayer for firefox on n900 | 17:58 |
| crashanddie | TiagoTiago: and the more money you have, the lesser the interest rate | 17:59 |
| h4xordood | ? | 17:59 |
| TiagoTiago | really? | 17:59 |
| mc_teo` | ? | 17:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: maybe because it'll getting overwritten whenever mce changes pattern? | 17:59 |
| crashanddie | TiagoTiago: well, yeah... If you invest $2 million, it only gives you like $16000 a year | 17:59 |
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| TiagoTiago | Then why don't you split it over hundreds of savings accoutns each with just a few hundred bucks in it and profit big? | 17:59 |
| h4xordood | ? | 17:59 |
| crashanddie | TiagoTiago: taxes | 17:59 |
| TiagoTiago | oh | 18:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: which basically is on every kbd event at very least | 18:00 |
| TiagoTiago | forgot about those bastards | 18:00 |
| kerio | ITT: people trying to make money from money | 18:00 |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer | 18:00 |
| SpeedEvil | Doc | 18:00 |
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| mc_teo` | but if you invest big, dont they give you like a really good rate? | 18:00 |
| SpeedEvil | sigh | 18:00 |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer | 18:00 |
| crashanddie | mc_teo`: nope | 18:00 |
| SpeedEvil | argh | 18:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes? | 18:00 |
| h4xordood | hey can anyone solve myproblem ? | 18:00 |
| crashanddie | mc_teo`: well, most likely because people who invest big numbers don't want to take any risks | 18:00 |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: In this app - not an issue | 18:00 |
| * DocScrutinizer nods | 18:01 | |
| crashanddie | mc_teo`: Say you invest 5 million, would you rather make 50k a year with near 100% certainty you get everything back, or make 500k and risk losing half your initial bet? | 18:01 |
| h4xordood | how can i install flashplayer so that i can browse www.speedtest.net on maemo ? | 18:01 |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: I want to make the LED go different colours on wakeups | 18:01 |
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| SpeedEvil | h4xordood: Are you aware of the app 'speedy' ? | 18:02 |
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| h4xordood | no | 18:02 |
| SpeedEvil | http://maemo.org/packages/view/speedy/ | 18:02 |
| h4xordood | SpeedEvil, anyways i want flashplayer for other reasons also :) | 18:02 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | SpeedEvil: on wakeups? like in boot? | 18:02 |
| mc_teo` | meh, i thought if you were just saving big moneyz in banks, they'd give you a corperate rate or something | 18:02 |
| h4xordood | do we have any flashplayer for this | 18:02 |
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| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: no - I mean on wakeups as powertop would report | 18:02 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | I see | 18:03 |
| crashanddie | mc_teo`: well, if you want to take the risk, sure, go for it | 18:03 |
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| crashanddie | mc_teo`: most banks will welcome you if you say you want a 10% interest rate on $2 million, but they'll also make you sign gazillions of legalese saying there is a good chance you will lose your money | 18:03 |
| h4xordood | sorry network problem | 18:03 |
| h4xordood | so do we have flashplayer for maemo ? | 18:04 |
| crashanddie | mc_teo`: plus, if you invest that kind of money, you're more likely going to do it by yourself (buy funds or shares directly, or buy parts in companies) | 18:04 |
| andre__ | h4xordood: for maemo5: yes, flash9 | 18:04 |
| h4xordood | how to install that | 18:04 |
| crashanddie | rather than ask a bank to do it in your stead (that's the only thing banks do) | 18:04 |
| h4xordood | any link > | 18:04 |
| h4xordood | ? | 18:04 |
| andre__ | h4xordood, preinstalled? | 18:04 |
| SpeedEvil | h4xordood: it's already instralled in microb | 18:04 |
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| h4xordood | so why doesnt it works when i open speedtest.net | 18:05 |
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| SpeedEvil | works here | 18:07 |
| SpeedEvil | Maybe it hates you | 18:07 |
| Trewas | speedtest.net works fine here in microb, funny thing is that speedlimited 3g data plan I have reports 0.39/0.99mbps so practically only download is limited (384kbps) | 18:07 |
| Trewas | not bad for 4 euros per month :P | 18:07 |
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| h4xordood | ah brb :) thanks alot | 18:08 |
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| TiagoTiago | they should have addee a tiny magnet to the tip of the stylus to detect when it has been pullsed out, and perhaps even cover the underside of the screen with an array of reed switches or some other magnetometer to detect pen hover | 18:08 |
| TiagoTiago | added* | 18:08 |
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| johnsq | Hi | 18:09 |
| lcuk | TiagoTiago, magnets, how do they work? | 18:10 |
| TiagoTiago | What error msg is it giving you crashanddie? | 18:10 |
| TiagoTiago | lol | 18:10 |
| SpeedEvil | lcuk: Aligned spins of electrons, or bulk electron currents. | 18:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | TiagoTiago: a sensor for missing stylus had been suggested and would probably have been easy and cheap if only it had been on the product requirement specs. Better done by one of the IR sensors like used for proximity and lens slider | 18:11 |
| crashanddie | TiagoTiago: eh? I'm not getting any error message | 18:11 |
| TiagoTiago | what happens when you try to acess the site? | 18:11 |
| crashanddie | wtf? | 18:11 |
| crashanddie | TiagoTiago: wrong person | 18:11 |
| TiagoTiago | Tey use magnets for detecting when the keyboard is out, no? | 18:11 |
| TiagoTiago | oh, oops | 18:11 |
| * TiagoTiago scrolls back to see the right name | 18:11 | |
| SpeedEvil | TiagoTiago: Adding more than one sensor is not free | 18:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | TiagoTiago: back cover and kbd slide are reed/hall and magnet, yes | 18:13 |
| TiagoTiago | well, the light sensor doesn't seem to do much, i never notice screen brightness changing when i cover the area, regardless of the brightness i have set | 18:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | and quite a number of users complained about the side effects | 18:13 |
| lcuk | it knows you are trying to trick it with finger :P | 18:13 |
| SpeedEvil | TiagoTiago: If you insrtall simple brightrness applet it largely ignores the brightness sensor | 18:13 |
| * SpeedEvil sighs at his keyboard. | 18:13 | |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: nope | 18:13 |
| SpeedEvil | I need to dismantle it fully, and see if I can fix overly sensitive 'r' | 18:14 |
| TiagoTiago | that is the one that addes the brightness settigns like fromt he control panel, in the power button menu, no? | 18:14 |
| SpeedEvil | s/largely/somewhart/ | 18:14 |
| SpeedEvil | TiagoTiago: yes | 18:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: it just completely ignores ALS when set to level5 | 18:14 |
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| TiagoTiago | I don't have it | 18:14 |
| TiagoTiago | I never noticed the equivalent system working on my N73 either | 18:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | TiagoTiago: isn't that a good thing when it works so smoothly you never even noticed it? | 18:15 |
| TiagoTiago | But even when convering the sensor to make it htink it's dark? | 18:15 |
| TiagoTiago | it's probably sensitive to Ir too, right? | 18:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | TiagoTiago: WFM | 18:17 |
| TiagoTiago | ? | 18:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | TiagoTiago: there's a delay though | 18:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | also you'll notice the kbd backlight switching off on reduced ambient light / covering sensor | 18:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | s/off/on | 18:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | switching off kbd BL on high ambient brightness | 18:19 |
| TiagoTiago | is there a prog to get live readings of the sensor and what is the state of the brightness correction fo the display? | 18:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | cat `find /sys -name lux` | 18:19 |
| SpeedEvil | also luxmeter | 18:21 |
| SpeedEvil | http://maemo.org/packages/view/luxus/ | 18:21 |
| TiagoTiago | can't open no such file or directory | 18:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm, might need root | 18:23 |
| TiagoTiago | no, that cat line, before getting the prog | 18:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | eh? | 18:24 |
| TiagoTiago | how much of the brightness of the screen is the backlight and how much is the LCD going opaque? | 18:24 |
| TiagoTiago | [12:19]<DocScrutinizer>cat `find /sys -name lux` | 18:24 |
| SpeedEvil | none is going opaque | 18:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~ $ cat `find /sys -name lux` | 18:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | 35 | 18:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~sorry | 18:25 |
| * infobot appologizes profusely to everyone, points at the spammers, and says: "IT'S THEIR FAULT, I DIDN'T WANNA DO IT!!!" | 18:25 | |
| TiagoTiago | ok, got the widget running, but it only reports what is measured by the sensor, and not how much the screen is made brighter darker due to those measurements, right? | 18:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | TiagoTiago: the actual screen dimming is managed by mce blackbox | 18:27 |
| TiagoTiago | no way to measure twhat the mce is doing with the screen? | 18:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | probably you can read out absolute screen brightness value from /sys | 18:28 |
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| DocScrutinizer | or run mce with strace attached? | 18:28 |
| SpeedEvil | cat /sys/class/backlight/acx565akm/actual_brightness | 18:29 |
| SpeedEvil | 0 | 18:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer | 66 | 18:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | 76 | 18:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | never thought you'd be interested in *reading* that :-P looking at the screen to see actual brightness is so much easier | 18:30 |
| SpeedEvil | Not when devicre is on the floor | 18:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | hehe | 18:31 |
| TiagoTiago | i don't notice it changing | 18:31 |
| TiagoTiago | (still typing the command) | 18:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer | yeah, I was wondering ehy I got 76, had to go next room and notice it's unlocked | 18:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | TiagoTiago: it has a delay | 18:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | some 20s maybe | 18:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer | maybe 10 | 18:32 |
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| TiagoTiago | ok, gonna keep covering the sensor and waiting | 18:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | so setting your brightness to one tick under max, then holding the device facing to bright source of light, and then covering the sensor upper right corner should give you both changing lux values and a screen dimming a few seconds after sensor is covered | 18:34 |
| TiagoTiago | btw, does it care whether the proximity sensor is sensing anything or not? | 18:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | usually not | 18:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | (give you) plus of course kbd backlight switching on when covering sensor (after delay expired) | 18:36 |
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| TiagoTiago | lol, it gets darker when it gets darker, of course, duh Xp | 18:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | eh? what else? | 18:38 |
| TiagoTiago | i wasn't really thinking much about what it was supposed to do | 18:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | aah, so making us explain to you in epic verbousity | 18:39 |
| TiagoTiago | it gets too dark if i'm not pointing the sensor to the sunny window :/ | 18:40 |
| TiagoTiago | no, i was the one that noticed it got darker isntrad of brighter, you didn't explain that | 18:41 |
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| DocScrutinizer | that comment voided your credits for the next ten questions | 18:41 |
| TiagoTiago | how so? | 18:41 |
| TiagoTiago | i knew it was meant to change brightness, but untill i pointed to a very bright light source (the overcast white sky on the window) i hadn't seen the brightness change at all in any direction | 18:42 |
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| TiagoTiago | I was expecting the screen, being transreflective, to get brighter when lit by bright light simply because of ht emirror in the back, so when it gets darker it owudl need more of it's own light in order to appear to have the same brightness; but it doesn't work like that | 18:44 |
| SpeedEvil | Transflective it sort of is. | 18:44 |
| SpeedEvil | But only in the very brightest of lights | 18:45 |
| mc_teo` | hmm, do i have to have a micro sd formatted to anything in particular for it to be picked up by maemo? | 18:45 |
| SpeedEvil | echo 0 >>/sys/class/backlight/acx565akm/brightness | 18:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | vfat | 18:45 |
| TiagoTiago | isntead of counting with external light it gotta fight to be bright enough to be seen | 18:45 |
| mc_teo` | i have 4gb kingston, thats formatted to fat32 atm | 18:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | should work | 18:46 |
| mc_teo` | should i reboot for it to pick it up | 18:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | not usually needed | 18:46 |
| SpeedEvil | In many lights, this isn't very visible at all | 18:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer | just close back cover | 18:46 |
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| mc_teo` | its a sdhc if that has any impact | 18:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer | nope | 18:47 |
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| TiagoTiago | i've seen displays (not personaly) that looked like paper, no need for it's own light while other lights were around, i was expecting transflective to at least be close to that | 18:49 |
| mc_teo` | yeah now its reading it | 18:50 |
| TiagoTiago | cannot creat permission denied | 18:50 |
| TiagoTiago | that echo line | 18:50 |
| SpeedEvil | you have to be root | 18:50 |
| TiagoTiago | I tried prepending sudo | 18:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer | sudo isn't enabled by default for arbitrary commands afaik | 18:51 |
| TiagoTiago | :/ | 18:52 |
| TiagoTiago | ok, after sudo gainroot it worked | 18:52 |
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| TiagoTiago | damn, either there is not enough trans, or not enough flect going on, white areas almost as dark as the black case itself | 18:53 |
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| TiagoTiago | :( | 18:53 |
| SpeedEvil | It's OK in bright direct light. | 18:54 |
| TiagoTiago | not really | 18:54 |
| TiagoTiago | i mean, without the assitance of the backlight | 18:54 |
| TiagoTiago | assitance | 18:54 |
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| TiagoTiago | kinda looks like the screen of my 3650 without backlight | 18:55 |
| TiagoTiago | like a gameboy that you pulled the battery while it was running | 18:55 |
| TiagoTiago | the first ones, not the new ones | 18:55 |
| TiagoTiago | and this with a lightbulb so bright that if you stare straight into it you still can't make out the details, it gets overexposed (kinda hurts to look actually) | 18:56 |
| TiagoTiago | I was hoping it would at least be as good as a wristwatch display | 18:56 |
| TiagoTiago | the glass reflects more than the screen itself | 18:57 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | yesyes we got your point | 18:57 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | this is a color display | 18:58 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | there's virtually no good transflexife color LCD | 18:58 |
| TiagoTiago | that is disapointing | 18:58 |
| SpeedEvil | Consider that half of all light is absorbed by the polarisers. Then 2/3 of that light is absorbed by hitting the wrong colour of pixel. | 18:59 |
| zash | PixelQi? | 18:59 |
| SpeedEvil | So at best you get 1/6th reflected | 18:59 |
| SpeedEvil | In pracrtice with most displays, a lot elss | 18:59 |
| TiagoTiago | i thought that for white the pixels would go transparent | 18:59 |
| TiagoTiago | no wrong color absorbing anything | 18:59 |
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| SpeedEvil | TiagoTiago: they do. | 19:00 |
| SpeedEvil | TiagoTiago: but there is a red, green, or blue filter on each pixel too. | 19:00 |
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| TiagoTiago | i thought the LCD twisting to block light was the only filter even on color LCDs | 19:01 |
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| SpeedEvil | It's not. | 19:01 |
| TiagoTiago | hm | 19:01 |
| SpeedEvil | The colours are implemented by colour filrters. | 19:01 |
| khertan_ | [Announce] PyLint 0.21.1 should be available in few minutes in Extras-devel repository | 19:01 |
| khertan_ | [Announce] PyPackager 3.0.20 should be available in few minutes in Extras-devel repository | 19:01 |
| SpeedEvil | Without them you get a - somewhat brighter - b+w display | 19:01 |
| khertan_ | [Announce] VectorMine 1.1.0 should be available in few minutes in Extras-devel repository | 19:02 |
| lcuk | awesome khertan_ \o/ | 19:02 |
| TiagoTiago | When you squeeze a n&w LCD you get all sorts of colors, i thought color LCDs just did that in a more contorled way | 19:02 |
| TiagoTiago | b&w* | 19:02 |
| SpeedEvil | nope | 19:03 |
| khertan_ | I m looking for a designer that can design me icons for Khweeteur (A n900 twitter client) ... ? Any one interested ? : http://khertan.net/khweeteur for a screenshot | 19:03 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | when you poke your eye, you also see all kinds of colors | 19:03 |
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| TiagoTiago | i thinkt hose are called phosphenes | 19:03 |
| lcuk | DocScrutinizer51, we need verification first | 19:03 |
| lcuk | can you reproduce | 19:03 |
| khertan_ | lcuk: yep :) i was testing a automated script which create src package and send it directly to autobuilder :) | 19:03 |
| TiagoTiago | but there is a difference between overheatign a CCD and bringing a magnet to a CRT | 19:04 |
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| khertan_ | lcuk: now i need to script the last manual operation, the one which convert a setup.py to a deb source script | 19:04 |
| khertan_ | s/script/package | 19:04 |
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| lcuk | thats cool khertan_ | 19:05 |
| khertan_ | lcuk: http://pypi.python.org/pypi?%3Aaction=search&term=pypackager&submit=search | 19:05 |
| lcuk | and khweeteur looks good to | 19:05 |
| khertan_ | thx | 19:05 |
| lcuk | its a bit of a mouthful to try and pronounce though! | 19:05 |
| khertan_ | héhé ... i like unpronoucable thiings | 19:05 |
| * DocScrutinizer suggests wikipedia to TiagoTiago | 19:06 | |
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| TiagoTiago | suggestion accepted | 19:07 |
| khertan_ | lcuk: you can hear how it should be pronounce here : http://translate.google.fr/translate_t?hl=&ie=UTF-8&text=Khweeteur&sl=en&tl=fr# | 19:07 |
| khertan_ | :) | 19:07 |
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| TiagoTiago | the article on transflectives is a stub :( | 19:08 |
| khertan_ | and how to pronounce my nickname : http://translate.google.fr/translate_t?hl=&ie=UTF-8&text=Khweeteur&sl=en&tl=en#en|en|Khertan | 19:09 |
| khertan_ | :) | 19:09 |
| xnt14 | back | 19:09 |
| lcuk | heh | 19:09 |
| khertan_ | must go on ... maybe see you on my n900 in the train :) | 19:09 |
| khertan_ | bye | 19:09 |
| xnt14 | khertan_: oh, hello, wanted to ask you a question before | 19:09 |
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| xnt14 | wait | 19:09 |
| khertan_ | quick :) | 19:09 |
| khertan_ | i cannot miss the last train :) | 19:10 |
| xnt14 | on khwittereur, how far is it away from being complete? | 19:10 |
| lcuk | xnt14, review it for us and tell us | 19:10 |
| khertan_ | xnt14: depending what feature are you waiting for :) | 19:10 |
| xnt14 | it looks like a good client, but I want it finished soon... | 19:10 |
| xnt14 | hmm | 19:10 |
| xnt14 | k | 19:10 |
| khertan_ | i use it everyday | 19:10 |
| khertan_ | notification aren't working | 19:10 |
| xnt14 | hmm | 19:10 |
| xnt14 | well | 19:10 |
| khertan_ | and no search | 19:10 |
| xnt14 | it won't load my tweets | 19:11 |
| khertan_ | icons are horrible | 19:11 |
| xnt14 | just one dm | 19:11 |
| xnt14 | other than that | 19:11 |
| xnt14 | it works fine | 19:11 |
| khertan_ | ? | 19:11 |
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| khertan_ | i ve never package it | 19:11 |
| xnt14 | it only loads 1 tweet on the timeline | 19:11 |
| xnt14 | khertan_: I ran the __init.py__ manually | 19:11 |
| TiagoTiago | This should work, get a transparent LCD, get mirror, coat the mirror with RGTB layers of paint on transparent OLED and there you go | 19:11 |
| xnt14 | from gitourius | 19:11 |
| TiagoTiago | RGB* | 19:11 |
| khertan_ | ah ... oups ... gitorious isn't up to date | 19:11 |
| xnt14 | ah | 19:11 |
| khertan_ | 2s | 19:11 |
| xnt14 | can you update it soon? | 19:11 |
| lcuk | khertan_, go catch your train | 19:12 |
| xnt14 | if you can, thanks :) | 19:12 |
| xnt14 | see you later | 19:12 |
| xnt14 | lcuk: right :P | 19:12 |
| TiagoTiago | good luck | 19:12 |
| khertan_ | yep ... it s updated | 19:12 |
| khertan_ | i come back in 2 min | 19:12 |
| xnt14 | khertan_: ok | 19:12 |
| khertan_ | (with 3g) | 19:12 |
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| Khertan_n900 | re | 19:15 |
| TiagoTiago | interesting, i put on somepolarizing glasses and the screen of the N900 doesn't look anything like what i expected | 19:15 |
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| SpeedEvil | rotate 90 degrees. | 19:16 |
| SpeedEvil | (normal to the screen plane) | 19:16 |
| TiagoTiago | it's jsut slightly rainbowish | 19:17 |
| TiagoTiago | that hsouldn't matter since each eye on a polirizer 3D glasses is 90 degrees to the other | 19:17 |
| Khertan_n900 | Did you try the new version ? | 19:17 |
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| TiagoTiago | but at extreme angles up and down the rainbow moire patterns icnrease significantly (but not from extreme side to side angles) | 19:18 |
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| xnt14 | Khertan_n900: hmm, just downloaded it, noticed that the setup.py isn't empty anymore | 19:19 |
| xnt14 | should I run it? | 19:19 |
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| Khertan_n900 | xnt14: yep but icon are shit | 19:21 |
| Khertan_n900 | it s stupid jpg | 19:22 |
| Khertan_n900 | which i can t convert onboard | 19:22 |
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| xnt14 | Khertan_n900: hmm, It doesn't matter, all I need is the functionality... | 19:22 |
| xnt14 | well, it doesn't matter atm | 19:22 |
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| Khertan_n900 | notifications can full your taks launcher :) | 19:23 |
| Khertan_n900 | refresh is working | 19:23 |
| lcuk | Nokia 770 PAND question on the mailing lists - anyone able to offer any input to the dude | 19:23 |
| lcuk | http://www.spinics.net/lists/maemo-users/msg16455.html | 19:23 |
| Khertan_n900 | to reply double click on tweet | 19:24 |
| xnt14 | hmm, :) | 19:24 |
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| Khertan_n900 | and the browser icon open link of the selected tweets | 19:24 |
| xnt14 | Khertan_n900: error: http://xceleo.pastebin.com/8XyZkekt | 19:24 |
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| Khertan_n900 | seems i forgot some file in the commit :) | 19:25 |
| xnt14 | hmm | 19:25 |
| xnt14 | can you push to the repo from your N900? | 19:26 |
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| xnt14 | or just put that file on pastebin | 19:26 |
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| Khertan_n900 | new commit pushed | 19:27 |
| xnt14 | Khertan_n900: ok, thank you :) | 19:27 |
| Khertan_n900 | yes i dev ondevice ... commit on device ... package on device ... upload to repo on device ... update site on device :) | 19:28 |
| lcuk | xnt14, khertan can do pretty much everything from his N900 | 19:28 |
| lcuk | you are impressed you can internet from it, Khertan_n900 does full dev there! | 19:28 |
| Khertan_n900 | lcuk: exactly | 19:28 |
| xnt14 | lcuk, Khertan_n900: 0_0 | 19:28 |
| xnt14 | hmm | 19:28 |
| xnt14 | well | 19:28 |
| SpeedEvil | I want to control my hoverboard from it. | 19:28 |
| SpeedEvil | But first I need to build it. | 19:28 |
| lcuk | SpeedEvil, someone has built a real hoverboard | 19:29 |
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| xnt14 | there is b-man, he used to use his N810/N900 as his main computer... | 19:29 |
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| TiagoTiago | whatch out for the eels | 19:29 |
| Khertan_n900 | hehe | 19:29 |
| SpeedEvil | lcuk: By hoverboard, I mean a device that can actually do free flight, in a hoverboard shape | 19:29 |
| SpeedEvil | lcuk: well - nearly. | 19:29 |
| Khertan_n900 | i use it as my main computer too | 19:29 |
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| lcuk | http://vimeo.com/11968215 | 19:29 |
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| lcuk | its a board, and it hovers | 19:29 |
| SpeedEvil | lcuk: ~100Kw of electric ducted fans and li-ion batteries in a ~60Kg package | 19:29 |
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| SpeedEvil | capable of about 2G accelleration bursts. | 19:30 |
| SpeedEvil | And 2Km or so ceiling. | 19:30 |
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| Khertan_n900 | So no designer can make me nice icons for khweeteur ? | 19:31 |
| Corsac | make me a sandwhich | 19:31 |
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| * SpeedEvil stabs Corsac. | 19:31 | |
| dumby88 | ! | 19:32 |
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| Khertan_n900 | hum back to khteditor ... i need to finish one plugin | 19:32 |
| * Corsac survives | 19:32 | |
| xnt14 | Khertan_n900: hmm, ok I just installed it... | 19:33 |
| xnt14 | loading... | 19:33 |
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| xnt14 | hmm | 19:34 |
| xnt14 | still only one tweet | 19:34 |
| * xnt14 rm's ~/.khwittereur/tweets.cache | 19:34 | |
| Khertan_n900 | xnt14 : ? | 19:34 |
| Khertan_n900 | did you got error ? | 19:34 |
| xnt14 | Khertan_n900: no error, just still only one tweet, I'm rm'ing the tweets.cache from the old version | 19:35 |
| dumby88 | .... | 19:35 |
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| A\b1` | hi again | 19:36 |
| xnt14 | A\b1`: hi | 19:36 |
| Khertan_n900 | did your n900 is connected ? | 19:36 |
| Khertan_n900 | as it didn t open the connection automatically currently | 19:36 |
| xnt14 | Khertan_n900: still only one tweet... | 19:36 |
| Khertan_n900 | i need to lean how to do that with qt | 19:37 |
| xnt14 | Khertan_n900: no its on wifi, | 19:37 |
| A\b1` | it is the right place to ask if i can install the so on a usb drive to run over an intel core2 ? | 19:37 |
| Khertan_n900 | strange | 19:37 |
| xnt14 | hmm | 19:37 |
| * xnt14 takes a screenie | 19:37 | |
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| Khertan_n900 | did your account have specificals things ? | 19:38 |
| xnt14 | hmm | 19:38 |
| xnt14 | ah | 19:38 |
| xnt14 | I think I found the problem | 19:39 |
| Khertan_n900 | ? oh ? | 19:39 |
| xnt14 | hold on a second, I'm putting it up on pastebin | 19:39 |
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| xnt14 | Khertan_n900: http://xceleo.pastebin.com/hH432iCT | 19:41 |
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| GAN900 | I'm bored now that Texrat closed that thread. | 19:41 |
| * tybollt calls for GAN to start a new similar one ;) | 19:42 | |
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| Khertan_n900 | look like that one of person you follow have a wrong image profile | 19:42 |
| xnt14 | Khertan_n900: also, a screenshot of the problem: http://ct.xceleo.org/Screenshot-20100813-123728.png | 19:42 |
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| xnt14 | hmm | 19:43 |
| xnt14 | how do I find out which one? | 19:43 |
| xnt14 | and what do you mean wrong? | 19:43 |
| lcuk | xnt14, it crashed because you mentioned macs | 19:44 |
| Khertan_n900 | i ll try to add some exception managment :) | 19:44 |
| xnt14 | lcuk: thats a dm from a "friend" | 19:44 |
| lcuk | sure, you say "friend" all you like | 19:44 |
| xnt14 | Khertan_n900: k | 19:45 |
| xnt14 | lcuk: one of those people who want "free technical support" | 19:45 |
| xnt14 | through twitter nonetheless | 19:45 |
| lcuk | awesome | 19:45 |
| xnt14 | never replied to him btw :P | 19:45 |
| lcuk | not because you don't want to, but because Khertan_n900's app is broke :P | 19:46 |
| lcuk | you *tried* to reply :D | 19:46 |
| xnt14 | lol, well, back then I had my ipod touch with tweetie :P | 19:46 |
| lcuk | GTFO | 19:47 |
| xnt14 | ... | 19:47 |
| lcuk | :D | 19:47 |
| xnt14 | thats was 2007... | 19:47 |
| xnt14 | well | 19:47 |
| xnt14 | 2007-2008 intermim | 19:47 |
| xnt14 | (intermim = I don't remember exactly :P) | 19:47 |
| Khertan_n900 | can you try with the new version push on gitorious ? | 19:48 |
| xnt14 | Khertan_n900: | 19:48 |
| GAN900 | tybollt, "KFC Double-Down chicken sandwiches, would you miss them if they were gone?" | 19:48 |
| xnt14 | **k | 19:48 |
| * DocScrutinizer starts namecalling on GAN900 - to cure the tmo withdrawal symptoms | 19:48 | |
| xnt14 | :P | 19:48 |
| GAN900 | N900 owners: Would you miss Nokia if it went under? | 19:48 |
| xnt14 | hmm | 19:49 |
| Khertan_n900 | i haven t manage exception on img profile download ... :) | 19:49 |
| mirr0r | Nokia is in my hearth | 19:49 |
| xnt14 | Khertan_n900: how do I uninstall with setup.py? | 19:50 |
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| Khertan_n900 | xnt14 you can t :) | 19:51 |
| Khertan_n900 | why di8 you want to ninstall ? | 19:51 |
| xnt14 | Khertan_n900: so just overwrite? | 19:51 |
| Khertan_n900 | yep | 19:51 |
| xnt14 | ah, lol, ok | 19:51 |
| GAN900 | mirr0r, on fire? | 19:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | GAN900: if you are too bored, consider finding abill's addr and visit him to give him a good let know | 19:53 |
| Khertan_n900 | on python ml | 19:53 |
| Khertan_n900 | grr tram blocked ... will miss my train | 19:53 |
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| GAN900 | DocScrutinizer, only if I can get Nokia to sponsor my travel costs. | 19:53 |
| xnt14 | Khertan_n900: it works :) | 19:53 |
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| th3hate | what is this command for: rm -rf * ? | 19:54 |
| xnt14 | Khertan_n900: :/ | 19:54 |
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| DocScrutinizer | th3hate: to bust the noobs | 19:56 |
| kerio | th3hate: makes your n900 faster | 19:56 |
| th3hate | alreet | 19:56 |
| kerio | hmm, does "rm -rf /" work in busybox? | 19:57 |
| kerio | it doesn't work in bash | 19:57 |
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| th3hate | makes me think twice before asking question in this chat | 19:57 |
| Khertan_disconne | sorry was disconnected | 19:57 |
| xnt14 | Khertan_disconne: hi | 19:57 |
| Khertan_disconne | xnt14: did it works now ? | 19:57 |
| xnt14 | Khertan_disconne: it works | 19:57 |
| xnt14 | :) | 19:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | th3hate: you're not actually considering to type in some command you don't know what it does? | 19:58 |
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| th3hate | im asking what does it do | 19:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, from 'man rm' I'd guess it deletes everything | 19:58 |
| th3hate | just to add more into my valuable info.. | 19:58 |
| kerio | removes, recursively, without asking for confirmation and ignoring readonly all the files in the current directory | 19:59 |
| xnt14 | Khertan_disconne: this is perfect, not too bloated, fast, and efficient... :) | 19:59 |
| xnt14 | just needs some cleaning up and a bit more functionality | 19:59 |
| th3hate | kerio, so its like formatting? | 19:59 |
| kerio | no | 19:59 |
| GAN900 | th3hate, forcibly remove everything in / recursively. | 19:59 |
| kerio | GAN900: no, the command was * | 19:59 |
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| kerio | so files in the current dir | 19:59 |
| GAN900 | Or what kerio said. | 19:59 |
| GAN900 | kerio, ah | 20:00 |
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| th3hate | whats the star for | 20:00 |
| th3hate | * | 20:00 |
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| th3hate | rm -rf* | 20:00 |
| GAN900 | wildcard | 20:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer | star maches all filenames | 20:00 |
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| khertan_again | rah disconnected again | 20:01 |
| xnt14 | hmm | 20:01 |
| trumee | DocScrutinizer: want to try that sip uri now? | 20:01 |
| xnt14 | Khertan_disconne: it works :) | 20:01 |
| khertan_again | and now there is a stupid captch on webchat | 20:01 |
| khertan_again | nice | 20:01 |
| xnt14 | khertan_again: this is perfect, not too bloated, fast, and efficient... :) | 20:01 |
| * dumby88 The correct format is "rm -rf /", prior to fdisk. | 20:01 | |
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| xnt14 | just needs some cleaning up and a bit more functionality | 20:01 |
| khertan_again | did the about works too ? | 20:01 |
| xnt14 | hmm | 20:01 |
| kerio | dumby88: huh? | 20:01 |
| * xnt14 tests | 20:01 | |
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| kerio | why would you do that if you're using fdisk anyway | 20:01 |
| kerio | and fdisk does nothing | 20:01 |
| kerio | it changes the partition table | 20:01 |
| th3hate | can i do "rm -rf" then app name? | 20:02 |
| khertan_again | xnt14 : which feature are you looking for ? | 20:02 |
| kerio | you probably mean mkfs | 20:02 |
| xnt14 | khertan_again: :) thank you :) | 20:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | th3hate: I suggest you do a "apt-get install man-db-n900" in a xterm with root rights | 20:02 |
| kerio | th3hate: rm is a delete file command | 20:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | th3hate: them "man rm" | 20:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | then | 20:02 |
| kerio | it deletes file from the current directory or with a relative or absolute path | 20:02 |
| kerio | is like pusing del on windows explorer | 20:02 |
| th3hate | what's man-db for? | 20:02 |
| kerio | pushing | 20:02 |
| xnt14 | khertan_again: hmm, avatars and nicknames next to tweets... or just nicknames... | 20:02 |
| dumby88 | kerio mkfs after fdisk, yup... | 20:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | trumee: in 30min | 20:02 |
| kerio | why would you need fdisk | 20:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | trumee: watching TV news now | 20:03 |
| trumee | DocScrutinizer: np | 20:03 |
| dumby88 | .. and before grub | 20:03 |
| khertan_again | oh you want nickname near avatar | 20:03 |
| BluesLee | th3hate: -r recursive, -f force | 20:03 |
| khertan_again | but it takes space on screen | 20:03 |
| xnt14 | hmm | 20:03 |
| th3hate | BluesLee, thanks | 20:03 |
| th3hate | but whats man-db-n900 for? | 20:04 |
| xnt14 | khertan_again: then how do you know which tweet is from who? | 20:04 |
| dumby88 | Don't just brick it, blend it! http://www.willitblend.com/ | 20:04 |
| BluesLee | th3hate: you are a linux newbie i gues, what are you trying to do? | 20:04 |
| th3hate | learning lol | 20:05 |
| BluesLee | th3hate: what exat | 20:05 |
| th3hate | but im linux newbie for sure | 20:05 |
| Shaan7 | th3hate: it installs the man (manual) command which you can use to lookup help | 20:05 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | th3hate: mandb is for making 'man blabla' work | 20:05 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | man in turn shows you decent manual about blabla | 20:05 |
| BluesLee | th3hate: what exactly you want to learn, there are many good tutorials ... | 20:06 |
| th3hate | 36mb dang | 20:06 |
| th3hate | big manuals | 20:06 |
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| kerio | it's a manual for everything | 20:06 |
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| th3hate | how to open it? app menu? | 20:06 |
| th3hate | or from terminal | 20:06 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | terminal | 20:07 |
| kerio | it's a text application | 20:07 |
| kerio | terminal | 20:07 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | man man | 20:07 |
| kerio | th3hate: http://linux.die.net/man/1/man | 20:07 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | which is about the same as 'man man' | 20:08 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | :-) | 20:08 |
| th3hate | oh man | 20:08 |
| th3hate | wtf is man man :D | 20:08 |
| kerio | lol | 20:08 |
| BluesLee | oh man | 20:08 |
| kerio | calls the "man" program with argument "man" | 20:08 |
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| BluesLee | in german mannomann | 20:08 |
| kerio | that opens up the manual for man | 20:08 |
| th3hate | manual manual? | 20:08 |
| kerio | man rm: http://linux.die.net/man/1/rm | 20:09 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | help about help | 20:09 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | very useful: man -k harddisk | 20:10 |
| th3hate | why linux is so complicated | 20:10 |
| th3hate | why don't they make GUI for everything | 20:11 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | searches whole manuals content about keyword 'harddisk' | 20:11 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | the gui is called xterm | 20:11 |
| khertan_again | xnt14 : i know the icon or i double click on tweet | 20:11 |
| xnt14 | khertan_again: hmm... | 20:11 |
| khertan_again | maybe it can be better i know | 20:12 |
| khertan_again | an option also could be a good idea :) | 20:12 |
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| xnt14 | hmm, | 20:12 |
| xnt14 | true... | 20:12 |
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| kerio | th3hate: because a mouse has 3 buttons, a keyboard has 102 | 20:12 |
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| xnt14 | khertan_again: make a settings button in the drop down menu... | 20:12 |
| kerio | it's 34 times more powerful | 20:12 |
| th3hate | what about the touch screen? | 20:12 |
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| kerio | th3hate: in a directory full of files, take every .txt, remove all the double spaces and compress them one by one | 20:14 |
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| dumby88 | kerio sound like a job for sed | 20:14 |
| kerio | for file in *.txt; do sed s/ / / $file | gzip - > $file.gz; done | 20:15 |
| th3hate | now thats complicated | 20:15 |
| kerio | do that manually | 20:15 |
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| th3hate | easier than remembering that command | 20:15 |
| kerio | for 500 files? | 20:15 |
| kerio | 1000 files? | 20:15 |
| zash | rename -r 's/ +/ /g' *\ \ * | 20:15 |
| kerio | 100000 files? | 20:15 |
| kerio | zash: not in the filenames | 20:16 |
| zash | wait, -r is a sed option | 20:16 |
| xnt14 | khertan_again: or just a toggle | 20:16 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | nobody remembers the command, th3hate - that's what man is for | 20:16 |
| th3hate | finished installing it | 20:16 |
| zash | kerio: sed -i s/\ \/ /g files | 20:16 |
| th3hate | i write man man to trigger it? | 20:16 |
| kerio | zash: nice | 20:16 |
| kerio | th3hate: man man gives you the man for man | 20:16 |
| th3hate | ORLY? | 20:17 |
| kerio | man command gives you the man for command | 20:17 |
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| th3hate | so everything have to start with man? | 20:17 |
| th3hate | man terminal | 20:17 |
| zash | whatthehell? | 20:17 |
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| th3hate | man -k delete | 20:19 |
| th3hate | gives examples of delete commands? | 20:19 |
| zash | except it's called rm in *nix | 20:20 |
| th3hate | delete worked | 20:20 |
| kerio | and usually acts in a *way* more powerful environment | 20:20 |
| zash | oh, -k is for searching | 20:20 |
| zash | who knew | 20:20 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | man -k delete gives name and short description of all commands related to delete | 20:20 |
| MohammadAG51 | man-db-n900 ftw, if only it didn't rape the cpu while installing | 20:21 |
| zash | ~$ delete | 20:21 |
| zash | delete: command not found | 20:21 |
| th3hate | man -k rm printed like 100k word | 20:21 |
| th3hate | very useful | 20:21 |
| kerio | zash: you should use apropos | 20:21 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | google for 'rm' | 20:21 |
| kerio | 120M results, google.it | 20:22 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | man -k == apropos | 20:22 |
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| kerio | but looks cooler | 20:22 |
| zash | kerio: I use a thingy that lists (and caches) every man page and pipes it to dmenu | 20:22 |
| th3hate | but i can get what i want from the first result | 20:22 |
| th3hate | man man gives applet not found | 20:23 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | man -k is very much like googling | 20:23 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | man rm (without -k) will yield better results | 20:24 |
| lcuk | :D GeneralAntilles can I ask, why are you so against trying to make a difference? | 20:24 |
| th3hate | man rm: pager: applet not found | 20:24 |
| MohammadAG51 | apt-get install less | 20:24 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | while man -k delete should enable you to find rm is the command you probably want | 20:24 |
| kerio | th3hate: btw, take those compressed .txt files, convert them into html files and send them to a remote server, and the local hd has no free space less | 20:25 |
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| th3hate | right.. say the 100 meter long command :p | 20:25 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ouch, missing dependency in mandb pk to less? | 20:25 |
| MohammadAG51 | yes | 20:26 |
| MohammadAG51 | i should fix that, but i'm thinking of changing the whole approach of the package | 20:26 |
| th3hate | yes man man works now | 20:26 |
| th3hate | how to select things? tab? | 20:26 |
| MohammadAG51 | select? | 20:26 |
| th3hate | words and options on screen | 20:27 |
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| MohammadAG51 | DocScrutinizer51, i'm thinking of symlinking /usr/share/man to /opt | 20:27 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | mhm | 20:27 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | what else? | 20:27 |
| MohammadAG51 | then purging docpurge, or getting rid of it in a sneaky way | 20:27 |
| MohammadAG51 | possibly through a postinst that rewirtes it | 20:27 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | also nice | 20:27 |
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| MohammadAG51 | that way, man pages for packages get installed | 20:28 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | th3hate: space key forwards one page in less, 'b' goes back. 'h' gives help, and 'q' quits | 20:29 |
| th3hate | lifes much easier now | 20:29 |
| th3hate | thanks :) | 20:29 |
| Dakon | has anyone had problems importing vcf files into the contacts of N900? Mine eats first names of my vcf files exported from Kontact | 20:29 |
| MohammadAG51 | will update man-db in a bit | 20:30 |
| th3hate | so man contains everything about linux? | 20:30 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | almost | 20:30 |
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| MohammadAG51 | packages contain man files, these are purged at installation on maemo | 20:30 |
| lcuk | GeneralAntilles, who was involved with the n810 SSU process, wasn't it you and the council? | 20:30 |
| MohammadAG51 | that's sooo gonna be fixed in a bit | 20:30 |
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| th3hate | how to ask man how to do this: | 20:30 |
| th3hate | take those compressed .txt files, convert them into html files and send them to a remote server, and the local hd has no free space less | 20:30 |
| * lcuk cannot remember | 20:30 | |
| lcuk | but perhaps we should poke that to get one out | 20:30 |
| MohammadAG51 | Stskeeps? | 20:30 |
| MohammadAG51 | afaik he was involved | 20:31 |
| MohammadAG51 | could be wrong though | 20:31 |
| GAN900 | lcuk, don't troll. | 20:31 |
| mc_teo` | hmmm, thats strange | 20:31 |
| lcuk | I dunno, I just recall people shouting about it when it was started and that it was feasible | 20:31 |
| MohammadAG51 | hmm | 20:31 |
| lcuk | I am not GAN900 - I am just curious as to why you are so against it | 20:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | th3hate: http://www.faqs.org/docs/bashman/bashref_toc.html#SEC_Contents | 20:32 |
| MohammadAG51 | thinking of starting an N900 community ssu | 20:32 |
| * lcuk nods | 20:32 | |
| mc_teo` | formating using official micro sd formatter gives 3.84gb free of 4gb | 20:32 |
| GAN900 | lcuk, against what, exactly? :) | 20:32 |
| lcuk | MohammadAG51, thats in part why I was asking you about the hildon patches that float | 20:32 |
| lcuk | you have seen them | 20:32 |
| MohammadAG51 | hmm | 20:32 |
| mc_teo` | formatting using sfdisk gives 2.04Gb of 2.1GB | 20:33 |
| MohammadAG51 | community ssu = 1 of two things | 20:33 |
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| MohammadAG51 | faking the version number so as to not break the ssu package | 20:33 |
| MohammadAG51 | or updating the package itself | 20:33 |
| lcuk | MohammadAG51, well, thats running a bit quick | 20:34 |
| lcuk | I am sure theres other things afoot | 20:34 |
| lcuk | so don't worry so much yet | 20:34 |
| * RST38h moos at lcuk and mohammad | 20:34 | |
| th3hate | DocScrutinizer, is there a more noob friendly manual | 20:34 |
| lcuk | it was more the packages and where they are | 20:34 |
| lcuk | hiya RST38h \o | 20:34 |
| GAN900 | lcuk, Nokia's blocking, I think. | 20:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | th3hate: for sure, but alas I never looked for one, as I'm beyond that stage :-D | 20:35 |
| lcuk | GAN900, blocking what? | 20:35 |
| GAN900 | lcuk, and you haven't answered my question. | 20:35 |
| GAN900 | Diablo Community SSU | 20:35 |
| lcuk | GAN900, just your general negativity towards my suggestions and realistically, anything maemo oriented | 20:35 |
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| lcuk | GAN900, its possible theres blocks in place but then lets find out what and get them removed? | 20:37 |
| GAN900 | lcuk, ah, I see what you did there. | 20:37 |
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| lcuk | no, step up and help clarify things a bit so we can get an update out if you think theres one missing | 20:37 |
| * RST38h has heard this a year ago. And two years ago. And... | 20:37 | |
| DocScrutinizer | th3hate: http://www.google.de/search?q=linux+commandline+howto | 20:38 |
| lcuk | yes RST38h | 20:38 |
| GAN900 | lcuk, well, Nokia refused to provide any real assistance or facilitation. | 20:38 |
| GAN900 | Especially infrastructure side. | 20:38 |
| lcuk | well GAN900 I have been working directly in amongst things for a while | 20:38 |
| GAN900 | lcuk, yes, and now you sound like gnuite. | 20:39 |
| kerio | th3hate: just the fact that a command to do *THAT* exists should show you that command line > gui | 20:39 |
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| lcuk | heh, well I did bin a mail from some google recruiter the other day, so not quite the same :) | 20:40 |
| RST38h | Though Microsoft had initially made a commitment to create versions of dynamic languages that are customized for .NET, recent reports make it clear that the company may be stepping back from this plan. | 20:40 |
| * RST38h laughs satanically | 20:40 | |
| lcuk | all I know GAN isthat I have a strong desire not to see code unmaintained and closed | 20:40 |
| kerio | also for file in *.gz; do gunzip $file | txt2html | scp - user@server:/path/to/dir/$file; done | 20:41 |
| RST38h | lcuk: I do not think yours or mine or GAN's desire matters | 20:41 |
| lcuk | whilst things are heavily covered I dont have a problem with it - those who know the codebase best are able to maintain it | 20:41 |
| RST38h | lcuk: All that matters is an opinion of 2-3 nokian corpses who can't tell source code from payroll data | 20:42 |
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| lcuk | RST38h, so you think we should all pack up and go home | 20:43 |
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| Stskeeps | MohammadAG51: ? | 20:43 |
| GAN900 | lcuk, frankly, yes. | 20:43 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, n810 SSU, can you remember who was overseeing it | 20:43 |
| kerio | noooo | 20:43 |
| kerio | i like it here | 20:43 |
| MohammadAG51 | Stskeeps, he was asking who was part of the community ssu | 20:44 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk, lma and sd69 | 20:44 |
| lcuk | since it was mentioned (probably incorrectly by me and a few others) | 20:44 |
| RST38h | lcuk: Probably not that extreme | 20:44 |
| lcuk | ok thanks | 20:44 |
| GAN900 | Nokia seems to be doing what it can to distance itself from Maemo and maemo.org and start fresh. | 20:45 |
| kerio | that's idiotic | 20:45 |
| RST38h | lcuk: But I think we should cut down on rhetorics and work on apps that replace broken Nokian apps | 20:45 |
| GAN900 | Intel has been a big help with that. | 20:45 |
| kerio | harmattan > meego | 20:45 |
| lcuk | RST38h, sure | 20:45 |
| kerio | and moblin sucks | 20:45 |
| lcuk | so me pushing to get those meego apps here also | 20:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | RST38h: ++ | 20:45 |
| RST38h | lcuk: It is clear that Nokia does not care. So why should we care about Nokia? | 20:46 |
| kerio | is microb opensource? | 20:46 |
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| MohammadAG51 | kerio, no | 20:46 |
| MohammadAG51 | i think it was supposed to be oss, but they decided to switch to closed source later on | 20:46 |
| lcuk | RST38h, every app that replaces a built in comonent is indeed super | 20:46 |
| lcuk | component | 20:47 |
| lcuk | no qualms there | 20:47 |
| GAN900 | Was supposed to be, but as with many things here, it didn't work out. | 20:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | frankly lcuk the other way round seems more sensible to me, for an approach to meego. Make sane apps for maemo, then port to meego | 20:47 |
| lcuk | but jumping to meego direct is not feasible at this moment | 20:47 |
| lcuk | DocScrutinizer, yes - but there are skeletons of apps there now | 20:47 |
| lcuk | why not help both causes | 20:47 |
| lcuk | so we make new maemo skeletons (not a bad idea) | 20:48 |
| lcuk | hmm | 20:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | ++ | 20:48 |
| * lcuk knocks up a template | 20:48 | |
| lcuk | RST38h, .. first thought at DocScrutinizer's idea? | 20:49 |
| lcuk | we do indeed have a load of replacements already | 20:49 |
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| kerio | how do you use fcamera's hdr? | 20:49 |
| kerio | how do you merge the three different photos? | 20:49 |
| lcuk | GAN900, you also? | 20:51 |
| lcuk | (regarding distancing selves - the principle ones to distance were the council) | 20:51 |
| lcuk | the users and devs around had a look and mostly carried on as before | 20:52 |
| RST38h | lcuk: Porting gtk+ to qt is too difficult | 20:52 |
| trumee | DocScrutinizer: now? | 20:52 |
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| lcuk | RST38h, not suggesting that | 20:52 |
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| GAN900 | The council has been pretty well shut out from MeeGo from the start. | 20:52 |
| lcuk | we have new core apps coming in qt | 20:52 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | PM me | 20:52 |
| lcuk | GAN900, I barely have my name on meego through choice | 20:52 |
| GAN900 | The scortched earth policy seem to be in place for infra, experience and expertise from maemo.org. | 20:52 |
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| GAN900 | lcuk, where do you propose digging up your hordes of capable application developers? | 20:53 |
| GAN900 | Especially for a dead-end platform. | 20:53 |
| lcuk | same place meego does actually | 20:53 |
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| lcuk | we have devs already | 20:53 |
| kerio | dead platforms have a lot of fans | 20:53 |
| dfaure | is there a way to increase the auto-lock delay on the N900? | 20:53 |
| lcuk | actively hacking their little apps | 20:53 |
| lcuk | fapman! | 20:54 |
| lcuk | live bg, however many other little apps | 20:54 |
| lcuk | all the stuff qwerty managed | 20:54 |
| lcuk | we have knight rider lights :p | 20:54 |
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| lcuk | i would rather work with meego apps whilst the meego OS gets strong enough | 20:55 |
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| lcuk | we know Meego will work better | 20:55 |
| lcuk | but this is just like it was with mer | 20:55 |
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| kerio | meego will suck ._. | 20:55 |
| kerio | they're using rpm | 20:56 |
| RST38h | http://talk.maemo.org/faq.php?faq=vb3_board_faq#faq_tmorulestext | 20:56 |
| kerio | why would you do that | 20:56 |
| kerio | :/ | 20:56 |
| RST38h | hehe, I sense roman inquisition | 20:56 |
| FIQ | well | 20:56 |
| lcuk | kerio, submit patches! | 20:56 |
| lcuk | to offer debian packaging | 20:57 |
| lcuk | to the meego apps | 20:57 |
| FIQ | dpkg/apt is not the best package manager eihter | 20:57 |
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| kerio | how do i patch something like that? :/ | 20:57 |
| kerio | rpm -i dpkg.rpm && dpkg -r rpm? | 20:57 |
| lcuk | RST38h, hmm why highlight again? | 20:57 |
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| FIQ | Or just submit dpkg at the repos, couldn't be that hard - the hard part is getting good repositories | 20:57 |
| kerio | FIQ: it's the best there is | 20:58 |
| lcuk | fiq | 20:58 |
| FIQ | lcuk | 20:58 |
| lcuk | having dpkg in meego isnt a problem | 20:58 |
| lcuk | its getting the meego apps installable on maemo | 20:58 |
| FIQ | I never said that | 20:58 |
| lcuk | like the photoviewer etc | 20:58 |
| th3hate | instinctiv music player always crashes 10 seconds after opening, is there a log or something to check for errors? | 20:59 |
| lcuk | th3hate, dunno, tried running it form the console? | 21:00 |
| MohammadAG51 | no one here is a dev, app is closed source, ask on the thread :) | 21:00 |
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| RST38h | run it from command line | 21:00 |
| th3hate | how to? sorry linux newbie... | 21:01 |
| kerio | i still don't get why there's a package ready to upgrade that conflicts with a system metapackagwe | 21:01 |
| RST38h | lcuk: I expect certain zelaous moderators use this new policy as a pretext to excersize their moderatorial zeal | 21:01 |
| MohammadAG51 | /opt/instinctiv/instinctiv | 21:01 |
| th3hate | ty | 21:02 |
| RST38h | lcuk: little guys with banhammers and a license ot use them are always fun to watch | 21:02 |
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| th3hate | didn't crash after running it from command line | 21:03 |
| GAN900 | RST38h, I don't think we have a lot of those. | 21:03 |
| RST38h | GAN: Ah but we do | 21:03 |
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| kerio | is mp-fremantle-generic-pr safe to uninstall? | 21:03 |
| RST38h | and just a couple is all you need | 21:04 |
| RST38h | may do with one, but then you do not get to watch them fight each other | 21:04 |
| dumby88 | th3hate exec <command> & (scripts, frees command line) | 21:05 |
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| lcuk | RST38h, keep us informed :D | 21:06 |
| lcuk | anti-troll watch :D | 21:06 |
| GAN900 | kerio, depends, do you want SSU notifications in the future? | 21:06 |
| GAN900 | kerio, hell, wont be getting many of those anyway. So, remove away! | 21:07 |
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| V13 | ehlo... Any ideas on how it is possible to download a web page asynchronously using gtk ? I'm making a home widget that freezes when using urllib (python). | 21:14 |
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| MohammadAG51 | andre__, ping | 21:14 |
| andre__ | MohammadAG51, pong | 21:15 |
| MohammadAG51 | andre__, is there a way to get an email for every bug opened? | 21:15 |
| MohammadAG51 | i see you're added to the CC list of all bugs | 21:15 |
| andre__ | I'm not :) | 21:16 |
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| MohammadAG51 | hmm, so there isn't a way to get an email for all bugs? | 21:17 |
| andre__ | don't think so - easiest way that comes to my mind is adding nobody@maemo.org and all @maemo.bugs addresses to your watchlist at https://bugs.maemo.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email | 21:17 |
| trumee | Bug #10294 shouldnt have been closed | 21:17 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10294 Email desktop widget does not display mails from Nokia Messaging accounts | 21:17 |
| MohammadAG51 | if they won't fix it then why keep it open | 21:18 |
| trumee | why shouldnt it be fixed? | 21:18 |
| trumee | if all other Nokia phones work with Nokia messaging, then what it special about N900? | 21:19 |
| Trewas | trumee: it's the first and last maemo phone, and they have very little interest improving it | 21:21 |
| MohammadAG51 | yep, that's why they're still fixing other bugs | 21:22 |
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| GAN900 | trumee, Nokia has dropped support for the N900. | 21:23 |
| GAN900 | trumee, that's what's special. | 21:23 |
| GAN900 | MohammadAG51, bugs are having TMs unset. | 21:23 |
| MohammadAG51 | TMs? | 21:24 |
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| andre__ | GAN900: unset (as an action contrary to "not set")? examples? | 21:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer | lo andre__ | 21:30 |
| andre__ | heja | 21:32 |
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| xnt14 | Khertan: are you there? | 21:35 |
| andre__ | trumee: Should not have been closed similar to "Wars on this planet shouldn't have been started and there should be world peace instead"? ;-) | 21:35 |
| trumee | andre__: pass | 21:36 |
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| andre__ | trumee: WONTFIX (if it really is one) is up to Nokia. But I agree for this specific one that I want to know the reasons if they state "legal things". yeah, it's on my watchlist | 21:37 |
| trumee | andre__: yup, agree with that | 21:38 |
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| TiagoTiago | IS there somewhere that documents how to interface with the phone and contacts stuff? It's probably still too soon for me to have learned anywhere near enough to do stuff, but i wanna be informed, it's kinda anoying how caller id doesn't always match numbers stored in contacts due to differences in how the carrier formats the id and how we need to type to dial the numbers, i wanna se if... | 21:38 |
| TiagoTiago | ...would be possible to have a way to work wiht the messed up system over there (not the whole storey, but informative: https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Telephone_numbers_in_Brazil ) | 21:38 |
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| TiagoTiago | over here* | 21:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | if anybody is interested in my findings about WLAN lags: Obviously - according to my router's WLAN "ARP" table, the N900 falls out of association with the AP, then re-associates without actually needing a new DHCP lease after that. | 21:40 |
| andre__ | trumee, please feel free to ping if there's no response within a week on that ticket by me or a Nokian | 21:40 |
| TiagoTiago | DocScrutinizer that hasn't anytnig to do with the powersaving mode? | 21:41 |
| trumee | andre__: sure | 21:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | sure it has | 21:41 |
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| GAN900 | andre__, Ian's theming bug. | 21:41 |
| GAN900 | andre__, unset as in it was slated for a release, now it's not. | 21:42 |
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| andre__ | GAN900, bug ID? | 21:45 |
| andre__ | because it's not 11014 | 21:45 |
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| lcuk | hi andre__ \o | 21:47 |
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| andre__ | yo lcuk | 21:47 |
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| lcuk | MohammadAG51, are you a member of gitorious? | 21:48 |
| MohammadAG51 | i think so | 21:48 |
| lcuk | cool, I thought you were just drive by downloading | 21:49 |
| lcuk | lol | 21:49 |
| MohammadAG51 | lol | 21:49 |
| MohammadAG51 | i read the comment on the latest commit, quite sad :( | 21:50 |
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| andre__ | GAN900, I cannot find any such report. Hence I'd really like to know, if you have some time and are around :) | 21:51 |
| crashanddie | MohammadAG51: link? | 21:51 |
| TiagoTiago | what does it say? | 21:51 |
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| MohammadAG51 | This is the end, there won't be any more "upstream" development. hildon-desktop and friends are truely free now, do whatever you want with them. | 21:52 |
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| TiagoTiago | o.o | 21:52 |
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| Khertan | xnt14, yep i m here now | 21:55 |
| crashanddie | Khertan: salut | 21:55 |
| DuckBoot | MohammadAG51: What's up with the "This is the end" stuff? | 21:55 |
| MohammadAG51 | hildon-desktop commit on gitorious | 21:56 |
| Khertan | 'lu crashanddie | 21:56 |
| V13 | http://maemo.gitorious.org/fremantle-hildon-desktop/hildon-desktop/commit/624231109e727e7b4c21c9f1a526ff191c309e5a | 21:56 |
| luke-jr | MohammadAG51: that's not a bad thing | 21:57 |
| luke-jr | but the question is, why isn't BME one of hildon-desktop's friends? ☹ | 21:57 |
| V13 | the "open" is good. the "no more upstream development" seems bad | 21:57 |
| luke-jr | V13: it needed to be replaced | 21:58 |
| V13 | luke-jr: ? for N900 ? | 21:58 |
| luke-jr | period | 21:58 |
| V13 | I guess the real question is "no more upstream development" == "no more upstream bugfixes" ? | 21:58 |
| luke-jr | of course | 21:59 |
| lcuk | v13, not at all, this is merely adams final commit before he switches focus. | 21:59 |
| V13 | oh... then the world looks nice again :) | 21:59 |
| lcuk | :) | 21:59 |
| luke-jr | … | 22:00 |
| luke-jr | you can't do bugfixes without committing | 22:00 |
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| TiagoTiago | Why does the charger doesn't go into some sort of energy saving mode when it's not plugged to a device? Why with so much techonology laying around we still have to go to the wall andpull the plug? | 22:01 |
| luke-jr | TiagoTiago: be glad you have a charger | 22:01 |
| TiagoTiago | heh | 22:01 |
| lcuk | luke-jr, the code is maintained by more than one person :) | 22:01 |
| SpeedEvil | TiagoTiago: It does | 22:01 |
| SpeedEvil | TiagoTiago: it uses under - IIRC 0.2W - when I measured it | 22:02 |
| lcuk | hell, I have commit rights there :) | 22:02 |
| SpeedEvil | TiagoTiago: The message is greenwash. | 22:02 |
| lcuk | adam has just fixed an awful lot and has known the code a great deal | 22:02 |
| * lcuk raises a vbeer to his fixes for helping make hildon desktop work | 22:02 | |
| luke-jr | lcuk: "upstream" implies Nokia in this case | 22:02 |
| TiagoTiago | couldn't it jsut uncouple from the wall current, and if the device doesn't got enough energy left to jumpstart it you go to the wall and press a button on the charger ? | 22:03 |
| SpeedEvil | TiagoTiago: pointless | 22:03 |
| TiagoTiago | why? | 22:03 |
| SpeedEvil | TiagoTiago: Buttons are expensive. | 22:03 |
| SpeedEvil | TiagoTiago: Also - low power idle mode for SMPS is now common | 22:04 |
| V13 | SMPS == ? | 22:04 |
| TiagoTiago | i wouldn't expect a switch and a button to manually trigger it to increase the final price by more than at most a couple of bucks | 22:04 |
| crashanddie | V13: switching mode power supply | 22:05 |
| jacekowski | switch mode power supply | 22:05 |
| V13 | 10x | 22:05 |
| DuckBoot | TiagoTiago: 2$ time the number of chargers counts up for quite a lot of money. | 22:05 |
| TiagoTiago | And not having to physicly pull the plug out each time you unplug the charger from the device is more than worth paying a couple of bucks more | 22:05 |
| lcuk | frals, apologies for the strange PM from TMO ;) | 22:05 |
| jacekowski | TiagoTiago: cost of manufacturing button ( energy and enviroment cost ) + little bit current to hold relay while charging are higher than 2$ over 2 years of charger life time | 22:06 |
| TiagoTiago | Having your device kick you in the balls singing "you are not green, nahnahnahnah!!!" each time you unplug it is annoying as hell | 22:06 |
| RST38h | do you magically become green once your device kicks you in the balls? | 22:07 |
| lcuk | oh cool, they implemented the ballkicking feature | 22:07 |
| TiagoTiago | there is an app for that | 22:07 |
| lcuk | TiagoTiago, requires a hardware mod | 22:07 |
| lcuk | and ballkicking devices are expensive | 22:07 |
| SpeedEvil | http://search.digikey.com/scripts/DkSearch/dksus.dll?Detail&name=596-1046-2-ND | 22:07 |
| SpeedEvil | for example | 22:07 |
| SpeedEvil | 70 centrs for a SMPS controller that uses .05W idle | 22:08 |
| SpeedEvil | In pracrtice - the existing charger will cost you around 50 cents a year to run idle. | 22:08 |
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| jacekowski | in 100 years that's $50 | 22:09 |
| V13 | multiply by the number of phones out there. | 22:09 |
| TiagoTiago | my mom got this hairdrier that got a breaker builtin in the plug, if the wall can't handle it breaks the current, and to use it again you gotta press a button int he plug | 22:09 |
| jacekowski | V13: so what do you propose? | 22:09 |
| * DocScrutinizer slaps TiagoTiago with a bundle of wikipedia, CE, and 200mW | 22:09 | |
| jacekowski | TiagoTiago: it's RCD | 22:09 |
| jacekowski | TiagoTiago: not breaker | 22:09 |
| V13 | but then again, playing angry birds for a couple more seconds could drain similar amount of power. | 22:09 |
| V13 | :) | 22:09 |
| ptl | is there a dæmon to relay the GPS coordinatos from the phone to my GNU/Linux laptop so I can test an assisted GPS program? | 22:10 |
| ptl | *coordinates | 22:10 |
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| RST38h | Mental note: Never try to turn N900 on when it is connected to the charger | 22:10 |
| V13 | why not ? | 22:10 |
| ptl | RST38h: why? I do that all the time | 22:10 |
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| RST38h | ptl: goes nuts | 22:10 |
| jacekowski | because you may switch it off | 22:10 |
| SpeedEvil | TiagoTiago: Ultra-idle power supplies cost less in additional power than a true 'off' button would cost. | 22:10 |
| jacekowski | not on | 22:10 |
| jacekowski | and then it will restart | 22:10 |
| SpeedEvil | RST38h: I do it all the time - wfm | 22:10 |
| jacekowski | and do loads of stuff | 22:10 |
| RST38h | weird then | 22:10 |
| jacekowski | nah it tends to misbehave | 22:11 |
| SpeedEvil | s/in additional power// | 22:11 |
| jacekowski | it's simpler to disconnect it, wait for shutdown and then start | 22:11 |
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| crashanddie | ok, wtf is it with tmo-level FUD being spread on IRC? | 22:11 |
| TiagoTiago | do the chargers that come witht he N900 work like that? | 22:11 |
| SpeedEvil | TiagoTiago: broadly, yes. | 22:11 |
| johnsq | Hi | 22:11 |
| TiagoTiago | tmo isn't big enough? | 22:11 |
| SpeedEvil | TiagoTiago: not thatr exact chipset, but a very, very similar one. | 22:12 |
| MohammadAG51 | crashanddie, op up | 22:12 |
| TiagoTiago | i mean in terms of performance | 22:12 |
| SpeedEvil | TiagoTiago: Well - I haven't taken it apart - it might be thart exact chipset | 22:12 |
| TiagoTiago | and efficiency | 22:12 |
| SpeedEvil | TiagoTiago: yes. | 22:12 |
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| SpeedEvil | TiagoTiago: I measured it to use under half a watt idle. | 22:12 |
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| TiagoTiago | so what's with the warning everytime you unplug the N900? | 22:12 |
| SpeedEvil | TiagoTiago: greenwash. | 22:12 |
| TiagoTiago | lol | 22:13 |
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| GAN900 | andre__, http://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3659 | 22:13 |
| povbot | Bug 3659: Changing icon theme requires reboot to be applied correctly | 22:13 |
| SpeedEvil | TiagoTiago: It's a feelgood thing that they can point out to environmental groups to make their product look greener. | 22:13 |
| DuckBoot | TiagoTiago: Just to Nokia can brag about beeing "Green" | 22:13 |
| TiagoTiago | The box says everythign is recyclable | 22:13 |
| TiagoTiago | hm, gotta go, be back in an hour or so | 22:13 |
| * DocScrutinizer glances at TiagoTiago's statistics of posts ending with '?' | 22:13 | |
| SpeedEvil | TiagoTiago: Almost no users will actually do so. But that way they can claim that when the product is used as directed, there is no power in standby. | 22:13 |
| andre__ | GAN900, so you did check the History to see what happened, right? | 22:13 |
| th3hate | someone check this error: http://pastebin.com/mqYngUjY | 22:15 |
| crashanddie | th3hate: go clean your room? | 22:15 |
| crashanddie | th3hate: don't give orders | 22:15 |
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| andre__ | GAN900, according to internal blah it was fixed for PR1.2. Hence TM was set by me or so. After PR1.2 was out Ian reopened as it wasn't fixed for him, and Ian changed the TM to 5.0+. And I reset that as Ian isn't a Nokian fixing Maemo5 bugs as far as I know ;-) | 22:15 |
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| th3hate | crashanddie, who's giving orders? did i say check it or i'll rape you? | 22:16 |
| th3hate | or it's wrong to ask for help about maemo here? | 22:16 |
| crashanddie | you didn't ask. | 22:16 |
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| th3hate | teach me how to ask then? | 22:16 |
| GAN900 | andre__, specific example aside, the trend is rapidly reaching "no more fixes". | 22:16 |
| andre__ | th3hate: script kiddie wannabe? or why do I get six popups with your link? ;-) | 22:16 |
| SpeedEvil | th3hate: Well you start out with 'Why does it burn when I pee?' or some other question. | 22:17 |
| th3hate | didn't get any scripts | 22:17 |
| th3hate | open it with pc browser | 22:17 |
| andre__ | GAN900: true, as unstable development happens in MeeGo. However I don't want to see wrong "proof" for that :) | 22:17 |
| GAN900 | andre__, $10 we're down to one more minor release then nothing else. | 22:18 |
| andre__ | th3hate: I use PC browser. It's even next level as it also shows images on the interwebs! | 22:18 |
| th3hate | dude its pastebin | 22:18 |
| th3hate | why would it give scripts? | 22:18 |
| * lcuk cracks open a beer | 22:18 | |
| lcuk | who needs one? | 22:18 |
| andre__ | GAN900: I won't bet against, as I don't know. | 22:18 |
| crashanddie | i'd love one mate | 22:18 |
| MohammadAG51 | lcuk, here | 22:18 |
| lcuk | \o/ | 22:19 |
| DuckBoot | lcuk: /dcc send me one, please. | 22:19 |
| * lcuk slides some nice cold ones down the wire | 22:19 | |
| tybollt | crashanddie: Cube analog hardtail w/ suntour shocks... please don't laugh at me :( | 22:19 |
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| Khertan | crashanddie, yes #maemo is now the second level of whining :) tmo is user whining ... #maemo power user whinning :) | 22:19 |
| andre__ | th3hate: hmm. looks like the twitter script on pastebin.com does weird stuff in firefox3.6 | 22:20 |
| crashanddie | tybollt: what year? | 22:20 |
| DuckBoot | "You want some cheese with that whine?" | 22:20 |
| tybollt | crashanddie: 2010... | 22:20 |
| th3hate | andre__, ,meh, checked the error anyway? | 22:20 |
| crashanddie | tybollt: looks pretty good | 22:20 |
| tybollt | well I like riding it... only bummer (pun intended) is my ass is so soar since I have yet to buy padded shorts :) | 22:21 |
| tybollt | sore soar? | 22:21 |
| crashanddie | sore | 22:21 |
| tybollt | thanks | 22:21 |
| crashanddie | tybollt: the rear derailleur is crap though, it'll break easily if you go through some wilderness | 22:21 |
| tybollt | hmm yeah | 22:22 |
| crashanddie | tybollt: so try to steer clear of low bushes on your right side | 22:22 |
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| lcuk | Khertan, one thing | 22:22 |
| crashanddie | tybollt: get better tyres, too | 22:22 |
| tybollt | Well I've not had her in real x-country just yet. But yeah will think of that | 22:22 |
| crashanddie | tybollt: you probably have metal tubing in the tyres, which makes them very heavy | 22:22 |
| tybollt | tyres? heh hadn't even given _that_ a thought :) | 22:22 |
| lcuk | having a power user like yourself whining and pushing updates to maemo.org is a good thing :) | 22:22 |
| tybollt | crashanddie: Ah I see | 22:23 |
| crashanddie | tybollt: easy ways to massively improve a stock bike with little money: get a good seat (80 euros for very good), good grips (and gloves if you get into x-country), and good tyres (30euros a piece) | 22:24 |
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| crashanddie | gloves: 20-30 euros, grip: 20 euros | 22:24 |
| xnt14 | Khertan: sorry, I drowned in t.m.o, read too much... :P | 22:25 |
| xnt14 | so anyways | 22:26 |
| SpeedEvil | crashanddie: Get a second saddle, some more pedals, and a minion. | 22:26 |
| * xnt14 has a ton of ideas | 22:26 | |
| xnt14 | for khweeteur | 22:26 |
| crashanddie | ~dictionary minion | 22:26 |
| infobot | see dict minion | 22:26 |
| xnt14 | hmm | 22:26 |
| crashanddie | ~dict minion | 22:26 |
| infobot | Dictionary 'minion' (2 of 5): \Min"ion\, a. [See 2d {Minion}.] Fine; trim; dainty. [Obs.] "Their . . . minion dancing." --Fryth. [1913 Webster] ;; a servile or fawning dependant. | 22:26 |
| SpeedEvil | th3hate: on the error - it looks almost like the package wasn't properly installed. | 22:26 |
| * xnt14 wonders if Khertan is here... | 22:27 | |
| * xnt14 waits | 22:27 | |
| th3hate | SpeedEvil, this error occured after i tried to update it | 22:29 |
| th3hate | using faster app manager | 22:29 |
| th3hate | it messed up i guess | 22:29 |
| SpeedEvil | post the pastebin and other details on fapmans bugtracker | 22:30 |
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| th3hate | Will do, anyway to fix the error though? | 22:31 |
| frals | lcuk: np, i read the email notification on bus to airport and it didnt make much sense without proper quote formatting :D | 22:31 |
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| SpeedEvil | th3hate: I would trry simply reinstalling. | 22:33 |
| SpeedEvil | or deinstalling again | 22:33 |
| MohammadAG51 | what was the error anyways? | 22:33 |
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| th3hate | SpeedEvil, that's the problem, it won't install or uninstall anything untill its fixed | 22:33 |
| MohammadAG51 | pastebin raw please, i hate damn ads | 22:33 |
| th3hate | http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=mqYngUjY | 22:33 |
| SpeedEvil | ah | 22:34 |
| MohammadAG51 | dpkg --force-all -r quick-launch | 22:34 |
| MohammadAG51 | then reinstall | 22:34 |
| MohammadAG51 | or find the deb and dpkg -i it | 22:35 |
| MohammadAG51 | that might not work though | 22:35 |
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| th3hate | wont make more mess (hopefully) | 22:35 |
| th3hate | force-all couldn't remove it too | 22:36 |
| th3hate | same errors | 22:36 |
| MohammadAG51 | fetch the deb then dpkg -i it | 22:37 |
| th3hate | ok | 22:37 |
| MohammadAG51 | you might find it in /var/cache/apt/archives | 22:37 |
| MohammadAG51 | unless fapman clears that dif | 22:37 |
| MohammadAG51 | dir* | 22:37 |
| th3hate | it clears cache afaik | 22:38 |
| MohammadAG51 | then dpkg -i then deb | 22:38 |
| th3hate | i download the latest version before the update? | 22:38 |
| th3hate | 0.4= current 0.5= the update | 22:39 |
| MohammadAG51 | update | 22:39 |
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| th3hate | same errors.. | 22:41 |
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| th3hate | MohammadAG51, here: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=VBdpCa5k | 22:43 |
| MohammadAG51 | umm | 22:44 |
| MohammadAG51 | time to trick into removing shit | 22:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | > /etc/event.d/quicklaunch | 22:44 |
| MohammadAG51 | echo "" >> /etc/event.d/quicklaunch | 22:44 |
| MohammadAG51 | DocScrutinizer, :) | 22:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | mine is muuuuch shorter, and more geek | 22:44 |
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| th3hate | i'll try the geeky one | 22:45 |
| merlincorey | sorry to be lame and beg for halp here but... I am trying to upload a picture I took on my n900 and it's WAAAAY at the bottom of the list of files... I've always wondered (especially now) is there a fast way to get to the bottom of said list? | 22:45 |
| MohammadAG51 | lol | 22:45 |
| MohammadAG51 | oh | 22:45 |
| MohammadAG51 | dpkg - trying script from the new package instead ... | 22:45 |
| MohammadAG51 | retarded package | 22:45 |
| MohammadAG51 | it should remove the files automatically, not using a damn postrm | 22:46 |
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| MohammadAG51 | postinst returns exit code 1, everything else fails on that | 22:46 |
| jacekowski | force it | 22:47 |
| jacekowski | use force luke | 22:47 |
| th3hate | nothing happened after writing this | 22:47 |
| th3hate | echo "" >> /etc/event.d/quicklaunch | 22:47 |
| MohammadAG51 | yes, dpkg -i again | 22:47 |
| th3hate | o | 22:47 |
| th3hate | ok | 22:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | something happened - it created that file so braindamaged postrm script can remove it | 22:48 |
| th3hate | MohammadAG51, same error.. | 22:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | quite unlikely | 22:49 |
| MohammadAG51 | uh | 22:49 |
| MohammadAG51 | k, quick solution | 22:49 |
| frals | hmpf, is the 'power kernel' in extras? O_o | 22:49 |
| frals | (just saw it on frontpage of maemo.org) | 22:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes :-( | 22:49 |
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| MohammadAG51 | rm /var/lib/dpkg/info/quick-launch.postrm | 22:49 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: what's sad about it? | 22:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer | noooo nonono | 22:50 |
| MohammadAG51 | yes yes | 22:50 |
| MohammadAG51 | i hate retarded packages | 22:50 |
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| merlincorey | throwing harder works \o/ | 22:50 |
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| th3hate | MohammadAG51, no such file | 22:50 |
| * DocScrutinizer heads out to take his valium | 22:51 | |
| MohammadAG51 | uhuh | 22:51 |
| th3hate | but there is postinst | 22:51 |
| merlincorey | but still wish there was a single key | 22:51 |
| th3hate | quick-launch.postinst | 22:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: ok, on a single line: http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras-testing/QA_checklist#Security_risks >>...and harm to device components<< | 22:58 |
| jacekowski | but you need additional software for it | 22:59 |
| jacekowski | to harm device components | 22:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer | mhm, so taking the two components of a binary exlosive onboard a plane in separate bottles is allowed then? | 23:00 |
| jacekowski | you can do it in a car | 23:01 |
| jacekowski | you have full tank of petrol | 23:01 |
| jacekowski | completly harmless | 23:01 |
| jacekowski | but add a fire to it | 23:01 |
| crashanddie | ok, how about we end this discussion right here | 23:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | gah, I knew it | 23:01 |
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| jacekowski | swallow little bit more | 23:02 |
| jacekowski | not too much | 23:02 |
| jacekowski | it's quite funny | 23:02 |
| xnt14 | lol | 23:02 |
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| jacekowski | and then if you drink alcohol | 23:02 |
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| crashanddie | no, really, it's not. | 23:02 |
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| anarcat | hello! | 23:02 |
| xnt14 | anarcat: hello | 23:03 |
| anarcat | i am upgrading to maemo 5 now, just got a new device running it... i was wondering if there was a way to make the jabber client *not* remember passwords? | 23:03 |
| crashanddie | upgrading to maemo 5? From what? | 23:03 |
| anarcat | no idea :) | 23:03 |
| anarcat | i just got a n900 and went to the app manager and upgraded :) | 23:03 |
| xnt14 | anarcat: you mean reflashing? | 23:03 |
| crashanddie | oh, through a new device, gotcha | 23:03 |
| xnt14 | ah | 23:03 |
| anarcat | not sure that's reflashing, hope not :) | 23:04 |
| xnt14 | anarcat: no its not, its just that I've never upgraded with app manager, always reflashed, so thats what I think of as upgrading... | 23:04 |
| anarcat | anyways | 23:05 |
| anarcat | it's rebooting now | 23:05 |
| anarcat | my core question is: is there a way to make the jabber client not remember its password? | 23:05 |
| anarcat | i feel unconfortable storing passwords on this thing | 23:05 |
| crashanddie | not that I'm aware of | 23:05 |
| anarcat | ok | 23:05 |
| anarcat | that's .. unfortunate :) | 23:06 |
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| tybollt | crashanddie: hmmm w/ such a shoppinglist I better consult the missus first ;) | 23:18 |
| crashanddie | tybollt: again, you rarely need to buy everything at the same time | 23:18 |
| crashanddie | tybollt: 20e worth of grips here, new seat there, a lot better than everything at the same time | 23:18 |
| * anarcat figured irssi could answer all his needs :) | 23:20 | |
| anarcat | crap, there's no irssi-plugin-xmpp in maemo :) | 23:21 |
| anarcat | how do i get that in? | 23:21 |
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| V13 | one more try: Do you know of any way to download a web page (a url) asynchronously with gtk? | 23:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer | err... | 23:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | wget? | 23:31 |
| V13 | lol :) | 23:31 |
| johnsq | V13: use a lib curl f.e. | 23:32 |
| V13 | and how will it blend with gtk ? | 23:32 |
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| johnsq | if you want a nice gui, you must write it self. the lib handles only the protocol. | 23:33 |
| V13 | I'm asking for something "ready" that works with the mainloop and doesn't block | 23:33 |
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| V13 | Something like QHttp of Qt | 23:34 |
| johnsq | bloat | 23:34 |
| V13 | I tried gnomevfs too but I couldn't find an "open" function. Only a "create" function | 23:34 |
| V13 | it also has read_entire_file which works somehow well, but it still block. | 23:35 |
| V13 | blocks | 23:35 |
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| johnsq | you make threads, than it doesn't matter | 23:36 |
| V13 | hm.. just found open() | 23:36 |
| V13 | johnsq: I'm trying to avoid this since it is meant for a widget. | 23:36 |
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| TiagoTiago | Could the virbator be used to emphasize the corresponding frequencies in the music playing? | 23:37 |
| TiagoTiago | vibrator* | 23:37 |
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| SpeedEvil | no | 23:38 |
| TiagoTiago | lol, "virbator" makes it sound even dirtier! Xp | 23:38 |
| V13 | lol :))) | 23:38 |
| SpeedEvil | It cannot speed up or down very fast, and you have no easy contrrol over absolute speed. | 23:38 |
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| SpeedEvil | You could do something using the accellerometer, but it would be messy | 23:38 |
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| V13 | indeed.. It also can only vibrate reliably in one-two frequencies. | 23:38 |
| TiagoTiago | it does feel like it kicks in and out reasonably fast with theturning on vib | 23:39 |
| MohammadAG51 | TiagoTiago, i'd be more interested in something that reports music frequencies | 23:39 |
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| TiagoTiago | can't you use pulse density modulation to control the speed? | 23:39 |
| V13 | TiagoTiago: If you try to program it for a very short period you'll see it takes time to accelerate. | 23:39 |
| MohammadAG51 | VU using keyboard, very high freqs, flash the flash | 23:39 |
| TiagoTiago | there isn't somthing like that? | 23:39 |
| MohammadAG51 | there's arecord, but that reads mic input | 23:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | TiagoTiago: that's exactly what the sysnode for vibra does | 23:40 |
| TiagoTiago | why does it feel like it kicks in quickly when you turn the device on? | 23:40 |
| MohammadAG51 | not sure how vlc does it, but it should be doable | 23:40 |
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| SpeedEvil | TiagoTiago: because you suck at measuring stuff accurately. | 23:40 |
| TiagoTiago | tactile illusion? | 23:40 |
| TiagoTiago | lol | 23:40 |
| SpeedEvil | TiagoTiago: human senses are very bad at measuring instants. | 23:40 |
| TiagoTiago | but you believe we would notice the dlapse in timing when it's vibbing to the music? | 23:41 |
| TiagoTiago | lapse* | 23:41 |
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| V13 | TiagoTiago: just try it | 23:41 |
| SpeedEvil | yes. | 23:41 |
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| SpeedEvil | You can make it throb in time to the beat - sure. | 23:42 |
| SpeedEvil | But not specific tones. | 23:42 |
| TiagoTiago | what if it's part of the media player, and the audio is delayed to match the average delay of the acelerometer? | 23:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's worth a try I'd say | 23:43 |
| TiagoTiago | of course it woudn't be a hifi spakear, it would be the vuvuzela version of the "WoW effect" | 23:43 |
| MohammadAG51 | well | 23:44 |
| MohammadAG51 | i can power my PC speakers using the N900 | 23:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | you'll never achieve to 'tune' it to a sync subharmonic of a 200Hz bass, but maybe that's not really needed anyway | 23:44 |
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| MohammadAG51 | a VU + vibra + keyboard led lights + flash light + RGB led would be awesome | 23:44 |
| MohammadAG51 | for a small party | 23:44 |
| SpeedEvil | A very, very small party. | 23:45 |
| TiagoTiago | would make a nice product placement on a music video, the thing with the little stand in the back deployed, buzzing on the table with the music | 23:45 |
| MohammadAG51 | or get a 100 N900s | 23:45 |
| xnt14 | MohammadAG51: whats the point for a vibra in a small party? | 23:45 |
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| V13 | Now that you mentioned that... Is there any demo ever written for a smartphone ? | 23:45 |
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| TiagoTiago | i guess it's a matter of location, location location | 23:45 |
| MohammadAG51 | xnt14, idk, but this is a family channel | 23:46 |
| TiagoTiago | devices with vibrating fucntionality have been known to be used in certain types of very exclusive fun | 23:46 |
| SpeedEvil | V13: demo of? | 23:46 |
| * DocScrutinizer imagines 7 mice dancing around a beeping and popping and flashing N900 :-> | 23:46 | |
| xnt14 | MohammadAG51: lol, N900 D4280 | 23:46 |
| xnt14 | no that moter :P | 23:47 |
| xnt14 | *motor | 23:47 |
| V13 | SpeedEvil: you know... demoscene... | 23:47 |
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| TiagoTiago | demo as in a little program that shows fancy graphics and somtiems also audio that doesn't do much mroe than that | 23:47 |
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| V13 | TiagoTiago: well.. in a device like N900 or other smartphone it could use the leds, the vibrator, even make a call :) | 23:47 |
| SpeedEvil | V13: not really - for example bounce? | 23:48 |
| TiagoTiago | oh | 23:48 |
| TiagoTiago | that type of demo | 23:48 |
| V13 | speedevil: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demoscene | 23:48 |
| TiagoTiago | well, actually, Bounce is kinda between the two, it demonstrate programing skills and graphics capabilities, abut also isn't a complete game | 23:48 |
| SpeedEvil | I am aware of demos. | 23:49 |
| V13 | :P | 23:49 |
| tybollt | what is a demo? | 23:49 |
| tybollt | Never heard of | 23:49 |
| TiagoTiago | demo versions of programs and games are a limited (often crippled) versions of the full thing, that is used as bait to attract potential buyers of the full thing | 23:49 |
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| V13 | TiagoTiago: I'm not referring to that. | 23:50 |
| tybollt | also please... ffs "demo scene" went away like 20 years ago along w/ the amigas... | 23:50 |
| TiagoTiago | but also there are demos that are like i described earlier, simple programs that display fancy graphics in realtime, somtimes audio too, that don't do much more than that | 23:50 |
| xnt14 | tech demo: a sample application demonstrating a feature or possible idea | 23:50 |
| V13 | i believe they do. | 23:50 |
| tybollt | TiagoTiago: also please... ffs "demo scene" went away like 20 years ago along w/ the amigas... | 23:50 |
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| V13 | they are very fast, performing many real-time renderings or other effects and they can be very small in size. | 23:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | tybollt: amiga went away?? :-o | 23:51 |
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| TiagoTiago | nah, people still do them for PCs , and some people even puish old hardware to do stuff never thought of back whent hey were current nowadays | 23:51 |
| tybollt | DocScrutinizer: omg are you one of the Pegasos people? | 23:51 |
| V13 | anyway, A demo is by definition the kind of program that would combine the vibra with the music. | 23:51 |
| * tybollt does the cross sign in DocScrutinizer general direction | 23:51 | |
| tybollt | ;) | 23:51 |
| TiagoTiago | a wraith?! | 23:52 |
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| V13 | here are some demos: http://awards.scene.org/nominees.php?cat=10 | 23:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | bats are my best friends ;-) | 23:52 |
| TiagoTiago | Watchout for the white stuff growing in some of their noses, quarantine the poor bastards and find out where they caught it | 23:53 |
| TiagoTiago | WAit, Doc, are you saying you suck? | 23:54 |
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| DocScrutinizer | :-[ | 23:54 |
| TiagoTiago | blood, i mean blood | 23:55 |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: Coincidentally, I was thinking of a plugin bat detector for the n900. | 23:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | coool | 23:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | we got a ds of the mic? | 23:55 |
| SpeedEvil | No - not with the internal mic. | 23:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | why not? | 23:55 |
| TiagoTiago | plug it in the headset/tv-out socket | 23:56 |
| SpeedEvil | I was assuming it won't go to 100KHz | 23:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | k | 23:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | fair enough | 23:56 |
| SpeedEvil | TiagoTiago: Indeed, with a mixer. | 23:56 |
| TiagoTiago | some bat detectors automaticly shift the frequency to audible ranges, no? | 23:56 |
| TiagoTiago | basicly they work by pickign up their clicks and shrieks and shifitng the frequency down, at least some of the oens i saw on TV | 23:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | mixer == one transistor powered via micbias + headphones out | 23:57 |
| V13 | while I don't know of the microphone range, the camera is able to detect IR light. | 23:57 |
| TiagoTiago | TOO BAD WE ARE DEALING WITH BATS AND NOT BOTS | 23:58 |
| TiagoTiago | oops, sorry, bumped on capslock | 23:58 |
| V13 | just point the tv remote to the camera of the n900 and see it blinking | 23:58 |
| SpeedEvil | TiagoTiago: basically, yes. | 23:58 |
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| DocScrutinizer | wait a minute | 23:58 |
| V13 | timer expired | 23:59 |
| TiagoTiago | What about converting to RF and decoding the signal picked by the FM receiver? | 23:59 |
| TiagoTiago | ah, wait, what is the frequency of the bat signals? | 23:59 |
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