IRC log of #maemo for Thursday, 2010-08-12

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TiagotiagoWikipedia says SLL is the abreviation for the currency of Sierra Leone00:01
hrwkirma: pr1.3 named branches does not mean that pr1.3 will happen00:02
lcukit does however show that the developers are trying to do something about it.00:03
MohammadAG51what pr1.3 branches?00:04
hrwor need more stable branch for working on code which will end in somewhere00:04
* MohammadAG51 unpacks mp-fremantle-generic-pr to customize it00:04
lcukMohammadAG51, at least post pr1.2 mods :)00:05
MohammadAG51hd :)00:05
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lcukas one example00:05
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MohammadAG51bug 7901 i think?00:06
MohammadAG51die povbot00:06
kirmaMohammadAG51: well, in this case Qt stuff. seems to be Qt update to 4.7 and some bugfixes...
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MohammadAG51found ya, osso-product-info -s OSSO_VERSION="RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.19-1_PR_MR0"00:08
MohammadAG51that's in cal isn't it?00:08
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MohammadAG51Maintainer: Nokia00:09
MohammadAG51follow standards and shove an email next to the name00:09
lcukfile a bug technically00:10
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alteregoVery negative tmo today :/00:13
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DocScrutinizerTiagotiago: your provider *might* charge you for data sent in pointless retries to associate to wron SPN00:18
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AfroMarkHello all00:18
AfroMarkAnyone care to help me out? My n900 is acting strange00:18
Tiagotiagowouldn't those pop up an error message?00:18
AfroMarkBasically it claims to have run out of memory for installable applications, but I know it shouldn't have00:19
DocScrutinizerTiagotiago: nope00:19
Tiagotiagois thre a log somewhere listing those events?00:20
Tiagotiagoi mean, on the device itself00:20
DocScrutinizerdunno. Seems your best and simplest bet is to associate to wlan, as then GPRS should be down reliably00:21
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DocScrutinizerAfroMark: df -h ?00:21
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Tiagotiagoi've been using wlan  all this time my credits have been trickling down00:22
DocScrutinizeryou installed fmms00:22
Tiagotiagohaven't  used it yet though00:23
Tiagotiagothat prog is known to keep trying to connect to GPRS?00:23
DocScrutinizerfmms configures a second APN00:23
Tiagotiagoi've mangled the user name ont hat one as well00:23
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DocScrutinizerat least that connection won't go down on WLAN connect aiui00:24
Tiagotiagodoes fmms runs on the background?00:24
MohammadAG51the connection fmms uses is hidden00:24
DocScrutinizererr wut?00:24
AfroMarkDocScrutinizer: I've tried df -h before, but I don't know what I'm looking for. What is the name of the directory where applications are installed?00:24
Tiagotiagoif i uninstall it, will that be enough, if it is what is causing the issue?00:24
DocScrutinizerTiagotiago: you'll tell us00:25
MohammadAG51DocScrutinizer, it doesn't show in the connecton UI00:25
keriothis usb port is *annoying*00:25
DocScrutinizerwut was for no00:25
kerioi have to charge with the cable half below my laptop so it pulls down a little and makes the connection00:25
MohammadAG51<Tiagotiago> does fmms runs on the background?00:26
DocScrutinizerkerio: great, so you have another 2 plug rounds maybe to let it fix without complete swap of mainboard00:26
kerionooooo :(00:27
Tiagotiagoorit doesn't show in the dashboard, but i dunno if the process is running00:27
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MohammadAG51use miniB, it worked for someone00:27
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG51: shouldn't fmms run all the time, to receive mms on the time they happen?00:28
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MohammadAG51it doesn't00:28
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luke-jrDocScrutinizer: …00:28
DocScrutinizerluke-jr: ;;;00:28
luke-jrDocScrutinizer: (⁂)00:29
kerioDocScrutinizer: is it something i could do by myself00:29
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Tiagotiagocould it associate with thebuyiltin messaging prog and have it launch fMMS when a MS arives?00:29
DocScrutinizerkerio: depends on your skills00:29
kerioi think the inside connector is just misaligned00:30
DocScrutinizerTiagotiago: quite possible00:30
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kerioi'll see if i find a nokia store nearby00:30
DocScrutinizeraiui a mms is a sms that contains a URL to the media content00:30
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DocScrutinizerkerio: if it's misaligned then most probably it's coming off00:31
DocScrutinizerthe fact it's not completely loose shows you have the electric contacts stil somewhat connected, and PCB not yet destroyed by tearing off pads and traces00:32
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kerioDocScrutinizer: so you're saying i should hurry?00:34
kerioor that's fixable with home tools?00:34
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DocScrutinizerI say you SHOULD NOT use the usb recepacle any longer, prior to fixing00:34
infobotThe key words "MUST", "MUST NOT", "REQUIRED", "SHALL", "SHALL NOT", "SHOULD", "SHOULD NOT", "RECOMMENDED",  "MAY", and "OPTIONAL" in this document are to be interpreted as described in RFC 2119.00:34
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AfroMarkcould anyone please hear out my problem in a private conversation? I don't think it'll get anywhere otherwise00:35
kerioDocScrutinizer: and what, not charge the battery?00:35
DocScrutinizerhow will you charge when receptacle totally broken and so the PCB?00:36
lcukAfroMark, and miss out on the collective knowledge of 514 other enthusiasts?00:36
mc_teois installing nitdroid safe?00:36
lcuki would pick a public community discussion over PM anyday!00:36
MohammadAG51android eats your babies00:36
AfroMarkoh ok.00:36
AfroMarkcan someone tell me what directory installed applications are held in?00:37
MohammadAG51lcuk, 513, never count yourself00:37
lcukyou just have to ask the right questions and offer the right information beforehand :)00:37
MohammadAG51AfroMark, /00:37
AfroMarkmy n900 is telling me it has no memory available for applications, but there should be plenty00:37
lcukAfroMark, whats your actual problem00:37
DocScrutinizerAfroMark: please paste the 3 lines df gave you00:37
MohammadAG51in that case00:37
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MohammadAG51AfroMark, /opt00:37
lcukok, open the console, type "df" and tell us what it says for the "/" area00:37
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AfroMarkthere are more than three lines00:37
lcukas MohammadAG51 said00:37
MohammadAG51or /home/opt to be more precise00:37
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DocScrutinizeralso for /home00:38
MohammadAG51we need a new pastebinit00:38
Tiagotiagowhat is the free space on each of the partitions?00:38
DocScrutinizerNokia-N900-42-11:~# df -h / /home00:39
DocScrutinizerFilesystem                Size      Used Available Use% Mounted on00:39
DocScrutinizerrootfs                  227.9M    141.0M     82.7M  63% /00:39
DocScrutinizer/dev/mmcblk0p2            2.0G    379.0M      1.5G  20% /home00:39
AfroMarkright, so rootfs and ubi:rootfs are both mounted to / and use indicated 94%00:39
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MohammadAG51rootfs is ubi:rootfs00:39
AfroMarkthe problem is, i havnt installed many apps, and Ive even removed some to no avail00:39
DocScrutinizer94% doesn't sound good anyway - please enter the command like above00:39
MohammadAG51what about /home?00:40
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DocScrutinizerdf -h / /home00:40
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AfroMarkok one sec00:41
MohammadAG51hmm, crap /dev/mmcblk0p1           27.0G     26.7G    286.4M  99% /home/user/MyDocs00:41
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AfroMarkhow do you guys paste all this stuff? I'm on my pc atm00:41
lcukMohammadAG51, *implied facepalm*00:41
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG51: delete that pr0n00:41
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MohammadAG51cool, this was at 36MBs a week ago, /dev/mmcblk0p2            2.0G      1.1G    758.9M  60% /home00:41
kerioMohammadAG51: share that pr0n00:41
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lcukAfroMark, ssh usually, but thats a whole other topic00:41
MohammadAG51DocScrutinizer, who stores porn, streaming ftw00:41
DocScrutinizerAfroMark: I'm logged in to N900 via ssh from my PC00:42
DocScrutinizerc&p is easy that way00:42
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AfroMarkyeh, ssh is a bit beyond me - ive tried messing with linux before but never got the hang of it00:42
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Tiagotiagousing putty i can easilly get a remote terminal on my PC00:43
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG51: I'm headscratching how you managed to fill 26.7G though00:43
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MohammadAG51DocScrutinizer, pretty much the same00:43
DocScrutinizerapt pkg cache?00:43
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MohammadAG511.6GBs of maps?00:43
lcukAfroMark, :) maemo was my first ever fulltime linux installation, at some point in the future, get hold of winscp and putty and open your mind to it - its simple :)00:43
MohammadAG51i don't even use maps00:43
* MohammadAG51 rm -rfs00:44
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MohammadAG511.1GB DCIM/00:44
DocScrutinizerAfroMark: but for now it's enough to quote the %used figures from those 2 lines00:44
MohammadAG514G .documents/00:45
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lcukMohammadAG51, is that all?00:45
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DocScrutinizerMohammadAG51: you think this helps?00:45
MohammadAG51491M backups lol00:46
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MohammadAG51300M fcamera wtf00:46
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DocScrutinizerMohammadAG51: see, you made him angry, he took his pills and metamorphed to lcukn90000:46
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AfroMarkright. should have some stats for you in a sec00:47
AfroMarki'm doing this a bit of a long way round00:47
mc_teois installing nitdroid safe?00:47
Tiagotiagoi use FireFTP to connect via sFTP00:47
mc_teosince its all in MicroSD00:47
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mc_teoand can i just remove SD card and it will boot maemo like normal?00:47
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AfroMarkok, so just "df" gave this table (it's a bit squashed)00:48
AfroMark~ $ df   Filesystem 1k-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on   rootfs 233344 214192 14868 94% /   ubi0:rootfs 233344 214192 14868 94% /   tmpfs 1024 108 916 11% /tmp   tmpfs 256 80 176 31% /var/run   none 10240 72 10168 1% /dev   tmpfs 65536 4 65532 0% /dev/shm   /dev/mmcblk0p1 28312128 11828544 16483584 42% /home/user/MyDocs00:48
lcukTiagotiago, I found winscp first, how comfortable/configurable is fireftp00:48
MohammadAG51where's /home00:48
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DocScrutinizerdf -h / /home00:49
MohammadAG512.9G .sounds00:49
AfroMark"df -h /home" gave this:00:49
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG51: that's enough00:49
MohammadAG513.7G .videos00:49
TiagotiagoI haven't used WinSCP yet, dunno how they compare to eachother00:49
AfroMark~ $ df -h /home   Filesystem Size Used Available Use% Mounted on   rootfs 227.9M 208.7M 15.0M 93% /00:49
MohammadAG511.1G DCIM00:49
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG51: pastebin it00:49
MohammadAG51DocScrutinizer, can't, du -h'ing shit manually00:50
AfroMarkand "df -h / /home" gave this:00:50
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AfroMark~ $ df -h / /home   Filesystem Size Used Available Use% Mounted on   rootfs 227.9M 208.7M 15.0M 93% /   rootfs 227.9M 208.7M 15.0M 93% /00:50
MohammadAG51adobe photoshop CS500:50
MohammadAG51that explains it00:50
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Tiagotiagothis is a tad oftopic; is there a way i can setup Gmail to fwd msgs sent by people in a list of senders i create?00:50
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DocScrutinizerAfroMark: you rouned /home00:50
AfroMarktechnically I didn't do it00:51
AfroMarkI sent my phone to a nokia carecentre to be looked at cause it stopped working. They apparently flashed it and replaced the on/off button00:51
DocScrutinizerAfroMark: please copy this: mount|grep home00:52
AfroMarkWhen I got it back, it still had all my old files on00:52
AfroMarkAlthough the OS was reset00:52
kerioso reflash00:52
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Tiagotiagothis is so i can have msgs from people i know be fwd'd to the "secret" account i have set on my device without any spam getting thru (since only Google knows about the address, well, at least the only spam will be from Google)00:52
DocScrutinizeryep, full reflash should do00:52
lcukbut if you want to backup photos now, then do so..00:52
MohammadAG51what if you lost the 2GB partition00:53
AfroMarkhow do I get a pipe symbal in terminal>?00:53
DocScrutinizerI wonder where photos could live when even /home is gone00:53
MohammadAG51blue arrow + ctrl00:53
lcukthats a good point00:53
AfroMarkaha. never knew that!00:53
luke-jrkerio: … this is someone who can't figure out ssh00:53
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GAN900Weee, time to unset some TMs.00:54
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MohammadAG51heh, found the PR1.0 image00:55
AfroMarkok, so mount grep home gave this:00:55
AfroMark~ $ mount|grep home   /dev/mmcblk0p1 on /home/user/MyDocs type vfat (rw,noauto,nodev,noexec,nosuid,noatime,nodiratime,utf8,uid=29999,shortname=mixed,dmask=000,fmask=0133,rodir)00:55
DocScrutinizerdamn that's weird00:56
lcukMohammadAG51, heh00:56
DocScrutinizerls -lid /home00:56
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AfroMarkis it possible that the Nokia shop reinstalled Maemo into the smaller memory partition for apps?00:57
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DocScrutinizerAfroMark: please type: stat /home00:57
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MohammadAG51i dbout they'd know how to do that00:57
lcukAfroMark, can you paste entire output of df and mount into pastebin00:57
AfroMarkDocScrutinizer, was the "ls" command for me to try?00:57
DocScrutinizerand paste the result here00:57
lcukhaving random lines is a bit confusing00:57
MohammadAG51and actually00:57
MohammadAG51opt > rootfs00:57
DocScrutinizerlcuk: ack#00:58
infobot[~pastebin] A "pastebin" is a web-based service where you should paste anything over 3 lines so you don't flood the channel. Here are links to a few : , , , , , , or install pastebinit with yum or aptitude.00:58
lcukthis is academic really, since the guys have already mentioned best way to cure this00:58
AfroMarksorry, i'm a bit of a n00b00:58
lcukthats ok, but something is off, its just finding out what - i think best will be to reflash like others00:59
DocScrutinizerhmm, the second half of that info doesn't really help AfroMark :-P00:59
MohammadAG51everyone is, at one point or another00:59
MohammadAG514 years ago, i didn't know what ls was00:59
DocScrutinizerI'd like to learn how /home can be gone while /home/user/MyDocs still there00:59
MohammadAG51or was it 3 years00:59
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MohammadAG51home can't go away DocScrutinizer01:00
MohammadAG51i doubt maemo would boot w/o a /home01:00
DocScrutinizeryeah, but look at the pasts of AfroMark01:00
lcuki think /home went after booting01:00
lcukfor some reason..01:01
DocScrutinizerfs corrupt maybe01:01
lcukshall see clearer once the whole paste is there01:01
DocScrutinizerAfroMark: see->01:01
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infobotrumour has it, flashing is
DocScrutinizerAfroMark: you need to flash both VANILLA (aka eMMC) *and* COMBINED (aka rootfs)01:02
DocScrutinizerAfroMark: most painless under linux01:03
AfroMarkok, so you're suggesting I flash certain areas of the device? I though a flash was an entire OS reinstall01:03
DocScrutinizereven a live-CD will do01:03
MohammadAG51we need a maemo live cd01:04
DocScrutinizerAfroMark: you need a *complete* reflash01:04
MohammadAG51coreutils + flasher, 30MBs or so in size01:04
DocScrutinizeryep, brilliant idea01:04
AfroMarkand you're saying I should do this from a linux machine?01:04
DocScrutinizerDSL or somesuch01:04
MohammadAG51yep, just take out X01:04
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DocScrutinizerDamn Small Linux01:05
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MohammadAG51best said in a texas accent01:05
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AfroMarksorry, but I'm pretty lost01:05
DocScrutinizerAfroMark: would be less pain for sure01:05
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DocScrutinizerif you got absolutely no way to get a linux machine, you can try via windows, but failure rate is much higher01:07
satmdtimeless: you told me to bug someone juhin...something (would have to scroll up)... but he/she did not turn up here?01:07
satmdcan you tell me where to look for him/her?01:07
satmdthat was about the certificate problem01:07
AfroMarkive got a machine running xubuntu in my room01:07
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AfroMarkjust I'm not entirely sure what you're saying I should do01:07
infobotwell, flashing is
DocScrutinizerlook there01:08
AfroMarkcan you point me to a maemo wiki page or something?01:08
AfroMarki need to type faster =P01:08
DocScrutinizerit's actually easy if you precisely follow the steps01:08
MohammadAG51too late, he already did01:08
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alteregoMohammadAG51: How many new versions of musb been created?01:09
DocScrutinizergood question01:09
AfroMarkaha. so I shouldn't lose any files after flashing?01:09
AfroMarkby that I mean photos, video etc as long as it's in Mydocs?01:09
DocScrutinizeryou'll lose everything01:09
MohammadAG51if you reflash the vanilla image, you'll lose your life too01:10
DocScrutinizerexcept a possible uSD card01:10
AfroMarkoh. the first paragraph of that wiki is misleading then01:10
MohammadAG51jk, but you'll lose mydocs01:10
MohammadAG51if you reflash rootfs only01:10
MohammadAG51then you only lose /01:10
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MohammadAG51hmm, not very accurate01:10
DocScrutinizerhe needs full reflash vanilla and /01:10
MohammadAG51/usr /var /lib /etc01:11
DocScrutinizeras it seems /home is borked01:11
MohammadAG51stupid question but01:11
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DocScrutinizerso he'll lose all data on device01:12
MohammadAG51did you try to reboot?01:12
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lcuktry just flashing one part01:12
AfroMarkcontacts/calendar etc backup are saved onto the sim card, right?01:12
lcukthe if that fails, flash both01:12
lcukthen if that fails contact nokia care again because your problem is not solved01:12
AfroMarkjust it's a pain to have to redo all that01:12
lcukAfroMark ^^01:12
lcukyou sent device to nokia care01:13
kerioyay the closest nokia care is 122km away01:13
DocScrutinizerAfroMark: that's why lcuk (?) suggested to backup all data you need *now*01:13
AfroMarklost you there, lcuk01:13
lcukat that point, you basically expect to lose it?   flashing only the rootfs *may* retain it01:13
keriowtf am i going to do?01:13
MohammadAG51lcuk, tbh, nokia care should actually check if it's working01:13
lcukbut flashing the emmc will remove totally01:13
AfroMarkincluding all backups?01:13
DocScrutinizerhome/user/MyDocs still there. mass storage might work01:14
keriodoes the nokia care also work by mail?01:14
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DocScrutinizersure kerio - they send you a package of instant repair01:15
AfroMarkyes I think if you take your unit to a nokia shop they will mail it for you01:15
kerioDocScrutinizer: yay01:15
kerioreally though - is there a way i can just send them the n900?01:15
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DocScrutinizersure thing01:15
AfroMarkright. I'm going to try out flashing following the wiki steps. Thanks for all your help everyone. I'll let you know how it goes.01:16
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DocScrutinizerAfroMark: first of all: plug N900 to your windows system via USB cable, and see what file you might recover01:17
AfroMarkI can recover all of them01:17
AfroMarkthey're all accessible01:17
AfroMarkhandy, really01:17
DocScrutinizerso copy them *now*01:17
AfroMarkwill do.01:17
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GAN900I love how MicroB is incapable of zooming text 70% of the time.01:19
DocScrutinizerthen I suggest you go for a full reflash (both image files, without booting in between), as odds are you won't recover /home by reflashing rootfs anyway01:19
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DocScrutinizerAfroMark: I even suggest you flash VANILLA image first, it's more safe if something goes wrong with the "no boot" part01:20
AfroMarkwhat's VANILLA?01:20
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DocScrutinizerthe eMMC image01:20
AfroMarkI'm assuming it goes into detail about how to do this on the wiki01:21
Tiagotiagowhy i can't access the right click menu in about:config in microB?01:22
DocScrutinizerbecause you haven't enabled the cursor mode?01:23
Tiagotiagonope, that didn't help01:23
DocScrutinizerTiagotiago: you know, that swipe-from-left trick01:24
MohammadAG51microb is kinda retarded01:24
MohammadAG51it allows right clicks with a mouse01:24
Tiagotiagoyep, no right click even with that01:24
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MohammadAG51see scratchbox emu or x11vnc01:24
DocScrutinizerI managed to do that01:24
MohammadAG51or a bt mouse, w/e01:24
DocScrutinizerin about:config01:24
Tiagotiagoneither with using VNC to connect to the device from a WinXP box01:24
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MohammadAG51hmm, idk then01:24
GAN900Leace this stupid thing on for m9re than a day and it's unusable01:24
MohammadAG51but right clicking works in the address bar01:25
GAN900Weee 100% key repeat bug.01:25
MohammadAG51when on scratchbox01:25
Tiagotiagoright click works fine on regular pages, but not on about:config01:25
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MohammadAG51CPU load + long keypress = sucks01:25
AfroMarkWell, I'd better be off. Thanks again all for the help! I'll be back if anything goes wrong.01:25
DocScrutinizerTiagotiago: WFM01:25
MohammadAG51oh you'll be back, i assure you :P01:25
GAN900It's Linux turned into Windows 9801:25
Tiagotiagothat does WFM stands for?01:26
GAN900Good job, Nokia!01:26
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GAN900 /reboots01:26
infobotsomebody said wfm was (Wired For Management Baseline) This is an Intel hardware specification that is designed to allow for compliance with easier management of desktop PCs in a networked environment. The specification calls for computers to be compatible with a pre-boot protocol that can be used to update the system or perform other management options. Also, the computer must be compatible with network/desktop management applications..  Works For Me01:26
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MohammadAG51~wtf wfm01:26
infobotWFM: works for me01:26
MohammadAG51is shorter01:26
MohammadAG51~wtf wtf01:26
infobotWTF: {what,where,who,why} the fuck01:26
MohammadAG51~wtf rofl01:26
infobotROFL: rolling on floor laughing01:26
* MohammadAG51 goes to the extremes01:27
DocScrutinizeractually nope, there's no context menu01:27
MohammadAG51~wtf roflmao01:27
DocScrutinizerwhat for?01:27
infobotROFLMAO: rolling on floor laughing my ass off01:27
MohammadAG51smartass eh?01:27
MohammadAG51~wtf roflmaowpimp01:27
infobotGee...  I don't know what roflmaowpimp means...01:27
MohammadAG51take that01:27
* MohammadAG51 thinks he needs to sleep01:27
DocScrutinizer~tell MohammadAG51 about query01:27
infobot:), MohammadAG5101:27
MohammadAG51xD DocScrutinizer01:28
timeless_mbpsatmd:  bugzilla01:28
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GAN900There, that should be better for about 8 hours.01:28
MohammadAG51<infobot> docscrutinizer wants you to know: talk dirty to me! LOL01:28
DocScrutinizerTiagotiago: doubleclick on about:config does anything I need there01:29
MohammadAG51DocScrutinizer, i think there's a reset to default option01:29
Tiagotiagodoes that just bring the edit value dialog (or toggle boolean values) ?01:29
MohammadAG51use the enter key for that01:30
Tiagotiagothat doesn't help if you don't know the default value01:30
MohammadAG51if clicking fails01:30
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* DocScrutinizer burps and ponders maybe microb doesn't know as well what's the default value :-P01:31
timeless_mbpit does01:32
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timeless_mbpin gecko you'd normally right click and select reset01:32
DocScrutinizertimeless_mbp: :-D01:32
DocScrutinizerenlighten us01:32
Tiagotiagowith Firefox on my desktop right clicking on a settign in about:config shows a menu with among other things the option to reset the value of the setting to default01:32
timeless_mbpyou can try adding a user.js file which specifies the default value01:32
timeless_mbpand then restart gecko01:32
Tiagotiagowhere is it taking the custom value to replace after i delete prefs.js?01:32
Tiagotiagoit says the value is user defined, bold and stuff01:32
DocScrutinizerhmm, for booleans it's probably easy to figure which was default. For ints maybe. For filenames etc it might get a lil tad time consuming :-P01:34
timeless_mbpTiagotiago:  which pref?01:34
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timeless_mbpif it's one of the ones microb screws w/ you'll need to write an extension which rescrews them01:35
DocScrutinizeror you simply reinstall the shit01:35
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Tiagotiagowhat does it say on yours for general.useragent.vendor?01:36
Tiagotiagoon your N900*01:36
DocScrutinizertell me which file you need and I'll post it to you01:36
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Tiagotiagoi don't know where it is stored since even if i delete prefs.js the custom value is restored next time i fire upmicroB01:37
timeless_mbpTiagotiago:  that's microb01:37
DocScrutinizerNONDEFAULT de_DE01:37
timeless_mbpjust write an extension01:37
Tiagotiagoi don't have the knowledge required for doing that yet01:37
Tiagotiagoand i don't expect i'll manage to get it any time soon01:38
DocScrutinizererr vendor01:38
timeless_mbpit's pretty simple01:38
timeless_mbpa basic extension which listens to some profile notification01:38
Tiagotiagoit looks like it is where the user agent string is stored, the text there matches what sites report as my user string01:38
timeless_mbpand uses the pref service to set the pref to the value you want01:38
timeless_mbpor reset the pref01:38
DocScrutinizerNONDEFAULT Firefox/3.5 Maemo Browser RX-51 N90001:38
timeless_mbpbtw, did you try using the override pref?01:39
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timeless_mbpi don't think we set it01:39
timeless_mbpwhich means you should be able to just set that01:39
DocScrutinizertimeless_mbp: yeah, soooo simple (I wouldn't even know where to start)01:39
Tiagotiagoyeah, didn't help01:39
timeless_mbpdidn't help how?01:39
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timeless_mbpit isn't set01:41
timeless_mbpthere's no way we're stupid enough to step on that01:41
Tiagotiagosome sites keep refreshing :/01:41
timeless_mbpif you set it, that's the thing that will go out over the wire01:41
timeless_mbpno need to mess with general.useragent.vendor01:41
timeless_mbpwhich really is perfectly reasonable as a microb bit01:41
DocScrutinizernonoes!! timeless_mbp, he installed FF or somesuch interfering app01:41
timeless_mbpwhat the heck?01:42
DocScrutinizercheck irclogs of yesterday01:42
DocScrutinizerTiagotiago: wasn't that you?01:42
Tiagotiagoceweasel that came with EasyDeb?01:42
DocScrutinizersomebody (not me) told you this is the cause of your reloading pages most likely01:43
Tiagotiagoi wouldn't expect them to write on each other's folders01:43
DocScrutinizerdunno if timeless_mbp has some better comment on it01:44
MohammadAG51which easy debian doesn't do01:44
SpeedEvileasy debian is _in_a_chroot_01:44
SpeedEvilIt doesn't screw with the system at all.01:44
timeless_mbpmicrob's profile is ~/.mozilla/microb or something01:44
timeless_mbpfennec should not be using that01:44
* DocScrutinizer shrugs01:44
TiagotiagoIceweasel has it's own folder there01:44
timeless_mbpnor should firefox or iceweasel01:44
MohammadAG51iceweasel can't use that01:44
timeless_mbpi'm not sure what your problem is01:45
timeless_mbpbut i don't really want to care right now01:45
DocScrutinizera) easy_deb was never mentioned yesterday, b) I don't have the slightest idea01:45
Tiagotiagothen it's not chrooted? i didn't find Iceweasel to uninstall, and i have the impression it only showed up among other apps after i installed eAsyDeb01:45
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timeless_mbpit's 1:45am and i'm watching tv :)01:45
DocScrutinizermhm, actually a good idea01:46
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DocScrutinizerperseides probably even better than TV01:50
DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: did some photos?01:51
SpeedEvilDocScrutinizer: a bit cloudy01:51
SpeedEvil - insanity.01:51
SpeedEvilPre-suing people for acts that haven't happened yet.01:51
DocScrutinizerI'll head out and check what's the weather here..01:51
kerioheh, minority report01:51
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kerioSpeedEvil: i'd like to go there, claim to be one of those john doe, and ask for instant dismissal plus legal expenses for lack of evidence01:53
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Tiagotiagoit's worse than minority report, they don't even know who actually is even interested in committing the crime in the future01:55
keriowhat happens if less than the sued people actually watch the concert?01:56
SpeedEvilI also wonder what happens to the 101th infringer.01:56
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keriohe gets to go home free?01:57
timeless_mbpTiagotiago:  it's clever01:57
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timeless_mbpand seems to be working01:57
timeless_mbpkerio:  no01:57
timeless_mbpyou amend the claim later01:57
DocScrutinizermeh, clouds01:58
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SpeedEvilI wish the display would go another factor of a thousand dimmer02:00
DocScrutinizeroh, it doesn't?02:00
kerioi wish my usb port worked properly :(02:01
keriothat *is* a bad thing02:01
DocScrutinizeruntil it's broken completely, you can prove by the kind of damage whether it's due to mistreatment/excessive force, or it's a production bug02:03
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luke-jrFWIW, Gentoo-N900's fremantle-sources now has a USE flag to pre-patch fcam into the kernel itself :D02:04
DocScrutinizerwhen you tear it off completely then by any POV you caused it to come off and Nokia won't fix for free02:04
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keriothat's why i'm not using it atm02:06
keriobut i really don't know how am i going to get it to nokia02:06
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DocScrutinizersend a package?02:07
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DocScrutinizerwith ensurance. Get a RMA from your care center you send it to02:08
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kerioif i have to wait a month i can just wait until i get back home and go to a nokia care there02:10
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kerioi don't want to wait a month :'(02:14
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keriodo bl-5j standalone chargers exist?02:14
kerioi could cope with that02:14
MohammadAG51yes, not by nokia but yes02:15
MohammadAG51got mine for $1.5 shipped02:15
MohammadAG51since i have 3 batts02:15
kerioare they safe?02:15
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MohammadAG51the way i see it, yes02:15
kerio"the battery won't explode in my pocket"?02:16
MohammadAG51mine seems to stop charging when the battery is full02:16
MohammadAG51err, it's a charger, not a battery02:16
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kerioit charges *batteries*02:16
kthomas_vhwhat's the difference?02:17
* kthomas_vh waits to be smacked02:17
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kerio~smack kthomas_vh02:17
* infobot smacks kthomas_vh upside the head.02:17
kthomas_vhthank you infobot02:17
infobotno worries, kthomas_vh02:17
kthomas_vhmay I have another02:17
MohammadAG51kerio, well, chances are it'll explode on the charger, not in your pocket02:18
kerioMohammadAG51: yeah02:18
keriowhich is good02:18
kerioas opposed to the alternative02:18
MohammadAG5130 days? meh02:18
MohammadAG51solder a port onto it02:18
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kerionah, i'd rather wait for the solution that gives me a hopefully brand new n90002:19
kerioare bl5js common?02:19
Tiagotiagoeven wehn i delete the line about custom user agent string and make prefs.js readmonly microB sitll loads a custom value for general useragent.vendor , what is going on?02:19
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kerioTiagotiago: microb is... "special"02:20
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kerioMohammadAG51: are the batteries you use nokia original batteries?02:24
MohammadAG51yeah, BL-5Js02:24
MohammadAG51from Nokia of course, not the retarded 7000mAh ones on ebay02:25
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kerioi'd buy a mugen battery if they didn't look horrendously hideous02:29
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Tiagotiagohm, crap, seems microB won't uninstall extensions, i even tried deleting the folders inside the profile and they still come back next time i load microB02:30
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keriook, ordered battery + external charger02:37
kerioit's still 5 days i have to live without charging02:37
kerioin a place with bad coverage02:37
alteregoI wonder how much QML will be in MeeGo/Harmattan ...02:38
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alteregoTomorrow,my mission is to add QML into my mixed Qt and GLES code.02:45
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Tiagotiagowhy microB keeps undoing stuff when i try to uninstall extensoins?02:47
TiagotiagoI mean, besides the programmers screwing up02:47
MohammadAG51umm, what extensions02:48
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TiagotiagoUser Agent Switcher ( i thought i had uninstalled it ages ago) and pt-br dictionary, i even tried delting their folders in the extensions folder inside the microB profile folder02:49
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keriorm -rf ~/.mozilla?02:50
Tiagotiagothere are other folders there besides microB's02:51
keriodo you care about them?02:51
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Tiagotiagoi woudl rather not go deleting things unecessarilly02:54
Tiagotiagothere, deleted the microB folder itself, it was recereated and the exnteions still listed when i opened microB again02:54
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Tiagotiagothigns with a ~in the beggining are links, right?02:55
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kerio~ is your home02:56
kerioand the infobot command prefix02:56
infobotkerio: aw, gee02:56
keriothere there02:56
Tiagotiagoeems the exnteion folders are being symlinked automaticly from another palce02:57
MohammadAGls -l02:57
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* MohammadAG suggests reflashing02:57
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DocScrutinizer~factinfo ~03:02
infobotthere's no such factoid as ~, DocScrutinizer03:02
Tiagotiagothere, deleted the targets of the links, lets see if that fix it03:03
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Tiagotiagodeleting that and extensions.* in the profile seems to have done it03:05
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Tiagotiagoat least the part about removing the extensions03:17
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DocScrutinizerI'd suggest a >>apt-get install $(apt-cache search microb|grep " - "|cut -f 1 -d " ") --purge --reinstall03:27
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TiagoTiagoas root?03:32
* MohammadAG51 wonders why dreamremote isn't working03:33
MohammadAG51apt-get install = needs to lock a dir + unpack to dirs, such as /usr, so yeah, as root03:34
DocScrutinizernot tested! only if you know what you're doing (won't probably work ootb anyway)03:35
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG51: maybe your dreams are detuned03:37
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DocScrutinizerTiagoTiago: anyway appending a  -s won't hurt for first testrun03:38
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nox-MohammadAG51, maybe too old firmware?03:41
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TiagoTiagoit said, among other things, this:
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TiagoTiagodo i need to do anything about it?03:48
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TiagoTiagodoesn't seem like anything has changed :/04:01
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luke-jrmy N900's been off AC for 11 hours-- down to 40% battery left04:43
luke-jrman, R&D mode really really kills battery life XD04:43
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* SpeedEvil sighs at fucking web designers.04:56
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SpeedEvil100K - of html - to show a simple list of 20 products.04:57
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MohammadAGDreamboxes rock!04:57
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MohammadAGI can mute a sucky TV show w/o anyone noticing how I did04:57
MohammadAG<3 web interfaces04:57
SpeedEvil'this thing doesn't work'04:58
SpeedEvil'I know, for his birthday, we'll install a tivo'04:58
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MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, ping?05:01
MohammadAGBeen playing around with LEDs on Ubuntu, it's (very) low quality, but that's understandable since I downscaled it from 15MBs to 1,
MohammadAGrunning the script twice is kinda fun xD05:02
Macermy power went out05:03
Macerand it's like 100 degrees and humid05:03
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer51, link above05:03
MacerNO AC! AHHHH!!05:03
* Macer opens the ac app on his n90005:03
SpeedEvilMacer: I have a solution for you!05:04
SpeedEvilMacer: you can come and live in my shed.05:04
Macera backup generator :(05:04
SpeedEvilIt's pleasantly cool.05:04
Maceri'm going to buy one soon05:04
Macerpower outages SUCK05:04
Macerespecially days like this where it is like 99% humidity05:04
SpeedEvilMacer: And I think I've killed all of the rats05:04
MohammadAGagreed, especially with a laptop like mine05:05
MohammadAG11 minute battery life05:05
MohammadAGfrom 100 to cold dead05:05
Macerwell. if the power doesn't turn on soon my fridge will spoil05:05
Macerbut i'm sure the freezer can keep in the cool for quite a while05:05
MohammadAGor 8h05:05
MohammadAGpower was down for 7h last week05:05
MacerMohammadAG: yeah. we had one like that last month05:06
Macersummertime :) too many air conditioners05:06
Macerthen again they probably shut it off on purpose to do stupid crap05:06
Macerand say it was a problem with this or that05:06
SpeedEvilI've overclocked my fridge.05:06
MohammadAGyeah, like charging an N900 or sth05:06
SpeedEvil(well, I removed the baffle that normally insulates it)05:06
Macermy ups isn't going to last much longer even with the main fileserver down05:06
SpeedEvilIt's now at -15C, not 4.05:06
SpeedEvilAnd I'm using it as another freezer.05:06
Maceri probably have like 45 mins left with this low power stuff on it05:06
Macerthe baffle that insulates it?05:07
Macerdon't you want more insulation in a freezer? :)05:07
SpeedEvilMacer: Ideally. I've got some pressed against the sides.05:07
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Maceris it like some hard core industrial insulation? :)05:08
SpeedEvilMacer: it's a fridge/freezer. It's got a tiny freezer compartmnet at the top, and a larger compartment at teh bottom05:08
Maceri'm waiting for my ups to flatline :)05:08
Macerthe beeps are getting closer05:08
SpeedEvilThese are seperated by a barrier normally which when the freezer part is at the correct temperature allows enough heat to leak up from the fridge to keep the fridge at the correct temp.05:09
SpeedEvilREmove the barrier, and it gets a lot colder.05:09
SpeedEvilI have maybe 6h of uptime on UPS, and can swap to battery bank + inverter for another 48 or so.05:09
SpeedEvilThen I'd need to fix the generator.05:10
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CasTTeLLoneed helper here...06:39
prontoask your question , dont ask to ask06:40
prontojust ask06:40
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CasTTeLLohow to use fm tran widget?06:40
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prontohave you checked the wiki/forums/google?06:42
CasTTeLLoforum yeap but -ve06:43
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TiagoTiagoone last thing before i go sleep, i think i figured out how to solve my issue, the mozilla folder can't be hidden, can't have a dot int he beginning of the name, just a fucking dot was causing all this mess, just get rid of the dot and you're done, it's that simple!!! :D06:51
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TiagoTiagoanywaygotta go sleep, cya06:53
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ieatlintgeneral question: how stupid is it to think that formatting a flash drive to udf is a good idea because then windows, linux, osx all can read/write without 3rd party drivers?08:19
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luke-jrieatlint: and they can't with vfat?08:22
ieatlintthey can, but fat32 has a 4gb filesize limit08:23
ieatlintand that is a problem08:23
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JaffaMorning, all10:22
* luke-jr hands jacekowski and Jaffa the trash.10:22
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Jaffaluke-jr: Ta10:23
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meceoooh a new user posted his first talk post. in a whine on nokia thread, AND (and here's the kicker) It was a good post! omg!10:32
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meceSwedeMike: was it you?10:35
meceok. Another mike then :)10:35
Jaffamece: Is it all the Council's fault?10:35
Jaffamece: Ooh, good first post.10:36
meceJaffa, I don't  know, all I saw was Whine Whine whine, sarcasm, ACTUAL QUESTION, whine, sarcasm10:36
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crashanddieJaffa: yes, everything's always the Council's fault10:38
crashanddieJaffa: btw, how are the elections coming along? You should start campaigning10:39
jacekowskiwell, council is doing fuck all to my experience10:40
jacekowskiand just cover their ass10:40
luke-jrthe Council is infallible10:40
TermanaN900stick it to the man10:40
jacekowskithey are like a nokia bitches10:40
TermanaN900and women10:40
crashanddiejacekowski: yeah, like GAN never criticised Nokia, eh?10:40
TermanaN900crashanddie, thats ALL GAN does now10:41
jacekowskiwell, i still remember chromium issue10:41
luke-jrput me on the council10:41
luke-jrI won't know wtf to do10:41
alteregoLoving QML,10:41
jacekowskiand all council did was just said how bad red bend is10:41
meceQML FTFW!10:41
jacekowskiand we should listen to nokia10:41
luke-jrwhy is there even a Maemo Council when Maemo is dead anyhow?10:41
aziwoqpdto organize the zombie horde10:42
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mecemaemo is not dead, it's just resting10:42
TermanaN900luke-jr, its like the executors of an estate10:42
alteregoWant to see what I can do with Qt, QML & OpenGL ES 210:42
jacekowskirest in piece10:42
luke-jrTermanaN900: except Council has no authority…10:42
mecealterego, simple minds think alike :D10:42
luke-jrif council has authority… srsly elect me so I can free gpsdriver and BME10:42
mecewtf, now this room turned into a whine thread.10:42
TermanaN900luke-jr, well no, but i just meant the dead part really :P10:42
alteregomece: you're mixing media too? :)10:43
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jacekowskiluke-jr: watching bme code will melt your brain10:43
luke-jrmece: I didn't know IRC supported threading!10:43
luke-jrjacekowski: I just want to compile it with -O9!10:43
Jaffajacekowski: Err, on Chromium I remember repeatedly sending you emails asking if such-and-such an action on the code was feasible; or asking if you wanted us to help talk to Red Bend with you. You didn't answer or reply at all.10:43
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alteregoIRX is pipes and filters :)10:43
TermanaN900jacekowski, having to USE it will melt your brain10:43
mecealterego, well no, but I also "Want to see what I can do with Qt, QML & OpenGL ES 2"10:44
alteregoAh, cool10:44
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Jaffaluke-jr: It's a Maemo *Community* council. Go read the fucking thread, and take jacekowski with you to actually learn something before mouthing off.10:44
mecealterego, I watched the demo on the trollblog and was amazed.10:44
luke-jrJaffa: you take life too seriously. srsly.10:44
luke-jrmaybe you need to join #luke-jrIsAnAsshat10:45
meceIsn't chromium in the repos anyway?10:45
Jaffaluke-jr: No, I just reached the end of my tether.10:45
jacekowskimece: it's in my repo10:45
rmrfchikteh drama?10:45
mecejacekowski, oh.10:45
alteregoI like how smooth QML feels on the device.10:45
mecealterego, what have you done?10:46
luke-jrJaffa: I have no clue what we're talking about, just saying random things that sound interesting10:46
jacekowskiand some people are just too stupid10:46
jacekowskithat's e-mail i've recieved recently10:46
jacekowskican you please help me install chrome on my N900.10:46
jacekowskiI am not able to locate the libxss on the link provided.10:46
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luke-jro wells10:46
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mecejacekowski, wot? I just clicked the thing and it installed. Go figure.10:47
alteregomece: Well, I've got OpenGL and Qt playing nice. I'm just looking into QML now, how I can interface with it from C++ and vice versa.10:47
jacekowskimece: well, some people have problem10:47
alteregoMaking custom QML widgets and also linking up application code dynamically.10:47
mecealterego, sounds complicated. I just wanna do everything in QML, since it's easy.10:48
Jaffamece: No, Nokia received a C&D from Red Bend. jacekowski, as package maintainer, and the council were informed and told what Nokia Legal would do. We agreed to take it down as a gesture of good faith so that we could start discussions about uploading a version without courgette and whether jacekowski was interested in us talking to Red Bend to see if that would be sufficient (i.e10:48
alteregomece: I was thinking of having my ui specified in QML, then C++ binds the application logic to the QML elements through element ids'.10:48
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JaffaSo, you can understand I'm a bit pissed off that the packager in that instance claims we're covering our asses and shills for Nokia.10:48
jacekowskii did upload version without courgette10:48
jacekowskiand it was removed10:49
alteregoSo anyone can hack the look and feel of my app, as long as the keep the write ids and interfaces for those elements.10:49
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alteregosorry, just woken up, they, right ... :D10:50
alteregomece: have you done anything interesting with QML? I was thinking of writing a media player replacement.10:51
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alteregoBut I'm still thinking of ideas, I'll probably do something else.10:51
Jaffajacekowski: If you don't tell people whether it's just the source, just the binary and don't reply whether or not you want us to talk to Red Bend on your behalf, I can't help you10:51
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crashanddieJaffa: jacekowski is a righteous troll, just let it go10:54
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lejonetI am following the maemo wiki's MADDE guide but when I get to the part where I am to link em together thru USB I dont get an wired interface called usb0 (I dont run any network manager at all)10:58
mecealterego, no I've not done anything, I only came across the demo yesterday and checked out some code. I'm working (very slowly) on a qt board game, and thought I might go QML. Currently PyQt10:58
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jacekowskilejonet: you get it11:00
jacekowskilejonet: but it's down by default so you have to use ifconfig -a to see it11:00
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lejonetjacekowski: I dont see it with ifconfig -a11:01
alteregomece: I was thinking of writing a multiplayer Go! game that communicates with clients via a http service.11:01
lejonetjacekowski: I am guessing it is an USB module for the kernel I might be missing?11:02
jacekowskido you have usb interface on a phone?11:02
alteregoI wonder if there's a market for a monthly subscription service that offers games based on QML :)11:02
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alteregomece: writing custom widgets look fun though :) I might port my GPS app to QML11:05
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crashanddiealterego: screenshot?11:07
lejonetjacekowski: Yeah, I have an N90011:07
jacekowskii mean, do you have usb0 interface11:07
crashanddielejonet: nice one ;)11:08
lejonetcrashanddie: yeah ^^11:08
jacekowskihmm, you still have usb port on n900?11:08
lejonetjacekowski: according to mad developer yes11:08
crashanddielejonet: not the phone, the fact you thought you had to mention you owned an n900.11:08
jacekowskisome people have lost it11:08
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lejonetcrashanddie: Well seeing as it might be relevant seeing as different phones handle stuff differently :P11:09
crashanddielejonet: there's only the N900 that runs Maemo 511:09
lejonetjacekowski: I have an usb0 interface both in Mad developer and it shows with ifconfig11:09
lejonetcrashanddie: Did not know that ^^11:10
crashanddiealterego: ta11:10
alteregocrashanddie: very wip at the moment :)11:10
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crashanddiealterego: nice11:10
crashanddiealterego: how smooth is it?11:10
alteregoVery :)11:10
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alteregoThat's pure Qt11:10
crashanddiealterego: I wouldn't mind having the compass (194609.png) mounted on my bike :D11:11
alteregocrashanddie: funnily enoough, that is actually why I'm writing it :D11:11
mecealterego, oooo purrty!11:11
crashanddiealterego: hehehe11:11
alteregoI'm going to add average speed functions trip counter etc.11:11
crashanddiealterego: if you enable that with a gpx file logging, I'm going to rub against your leg11:11
alteregocrashanddie: loggiing is already working, I'll  look kinto gpx dumping.11:12
meceIt's weird, in all the turmoil and whining and zombie apocalypse of maemo, I'm constantly getting more and more excited about my n900.11:12
keriorub *what* against his leg?11:12
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crashanddiekerio: I'll leave that to your imagination11:12
keriomy dog does that, it's disturbing...11:13
alteregoright, gotta get ready for dentist appointment. bbl11:13
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crashanddiealterego: sounds like someone else is going to rub your teeth :P11:14
mecehey, quick, I need a screencap of the head up display inside the helmet of Street Hawk, the 80ies tv series!11:16
lejonetjacekowski: I guess i'll have to wait until I am home and have wireless access to both11:17
jacekowskiusb networking is a lot faster11:18
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lejonetjacekowski: Well I cannot seem to get further than my machine recognizing an USB device that is called RNDIS/Ethernet Gadget manufactured by Linux2.6.28-omap1 with musb_hdrc is connected, no responce about any interface at all :/ but on the N900 I can both see in mad developer that it is indeed using g_ether, it is configured with an static IP and ifconfig shows the usb0 interace11:20
jacekowskithat would explain it11:20
jacekowskiuse normal distribution11:20
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lejonetuhm excuse me?11:21
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jacekowskiuse distribution where it doesn't take days to install any application11:21
meceOMGWTFLOL! Ribs as student lunch!11:21
lejonetThe screenshots seems to be taken (in the wiki that is) with ubuntu11:21
lejonetjacekowski: I prefer having a system that only does what I want it to do, and it doesnt take that long to install anything actually11:22
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jacekowskihave you tried installing gimp or open office?11:22
crashanddieok, let's end this discussion right here, guys11:22
lejonetYes, I actually have both installed11:22
lejonetof OOo, but not for gimp11:23
lejonetbut that is because OOos build process is borked and cannot be multithreaded due do bad build scripts from Oracle(former Sun)11:23
lejonetgimp took about 11 mins to build on an Core2 Duo SU730011:24
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crashanddielejonet: last warning before you're quieted, I don't care about it, nor does the channel11:24
lejonetWell like I said before, I might be missing an USB module, i'll check my kernel11:24
jacekowskiwaspy today11:24
lejonetHe asked, but I see your point, my apologize11:24
crashanddieit's just that the whole gentoo debate team has been round here plenty of times, and I'm tired of the flaming and burns it causes11:25
crashanddielejonet: I could also ask you to quote last 80 pages of the bible, not sure you'd do it, right?11:25
vltRhello.. could anyone help me to mount ftp destination on N900 ?11:25
crashanddieso "he asked" really is about as strong an argument for blaming someone else as "he started"11:25
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lejonetWell I wanted correct his statement about Gentoo not being a normal distro, it is as normal as any else, just it is not for everyone11:26
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crashanddieI'm pretty sure most of the internet knows that11:27
lejonetI just hate the stupid comments you usually get when you mention that you use gentoo11:27
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jacekowskii wonder if i'm still banned on #paludis11:29
lejonetwhy did you get banned there? (I dont use it anyway :P)11:30
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jacekowskiabout 4 years ago11:31
jacekowskiwhen paludis was new and barely worked11:31
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lejonetaccording to some it still barely works :P11:31
jacekowskiand said hi, and asked when paludis would be usable11:31
jacekowskithat was all11:32
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lejonetWell yeah, I have heard horror stories about the paludis devs :P Does not surprise me11:32
crashanddiecleaning keyboard11:32
jacekowskicrashanddie: now kick yourself11:32
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jacekowskilejonet: at the time it was only one dev11:33
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jacekowskiand well, i was using gentoo at 1.6Ghz amd11:33
lejonetjacekowski: ouchies :P11:33
jacekowskibut then my motherboard died11:33
jacekowskiand other mobo had problems with that cpu11:34
jacekowskiso i had to use 850MHz duron11:34
lejonethaha that is a huge bummer11:34
jacekowskiand i still remember 30h build of open office11:34
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lejonetWell like they say in gentoo-chat, no one with their sanity actually compiles OOo, unless they got an monster machine :P11:34
jacekowskior 10 minues of calculating dependencies for emerge -avDN world11:35
jacekowskihmm, n should be lowercase11:35
lejonetfor upgrading11:35
Ford_PrefectShould still be less, unless your HDD was a pos11:36
jacekowskiFord_Prefect: 4 years ago portage was slow11:36
Ford_PrefectOr your metadata cache was completely b0rked11:36
jacekowskiwell, it's still slow, but 4 years ago it was worse11:36
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jacekowskiesspecialy with coupld overlays11:36
jacekowskiloads of packages installed11:37
Ford_Prefectjacekowski: I was using it 4 years ago too, on a PIII running at 550 Mhz :)11:37
lejonetjacekowski: found the missing link, it was an kernel module missing :P11:37
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* crashanddie wonders whether #maemo isn't obvious enough as a channel name11:37
lejonetUSB gadget driver lol :P11:37
* crashanddie renames #maemo to #gentoo-offtopic for the time being11:37
Ford_PrefectNah, it would have to be #maemo-offtopic. We're completely on-topic for a Gentoo channel :p11:38
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lejonetcrashanddie: My sincere apologies, I did not mean to create an gentoo discussion, but I have now found what was causing my N900 to not be found11:39
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lejonetthe wiki is editable by registred users right? I might add that you need to make sure you have that module unless you use an distro that have most stuff in the kernel as modules like Arch, Puppy and Ubuntu11:41
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RST38hmoo all11:42
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timeless_mbplejonet:  how do you not find your n900?11:42
timeless_mbpisn't it in your pocket?11:42
lejonettimeless_mbp: not atm, its on the table :P But my computer wasnt aware of that :P it was happily unaware11:43
jacekowskilejonet: it's editable by all11:43
defraggeris there any useful personal wiki for maemo available?11:43
lejonetjacekowski: i'll just add it then11:44
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KhertanHi !12:23
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lcukhey Khertan \o12:26
Khertanhow do you do ?12:26
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kosickhi, does anybody know, if it is possible to get a complete fullscreen for the terminal? Without that "controlbar" or maybe like the disapearing one in the browser?12:31
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timelessif you writey our own terminal? sure :)12:31
kosickchallenge acepted ;-)12:31
lcukhey guys, apparantly I cannot ask this in #debian, so I will ask here12:32
lcuk<lcuk> Hello debian-gods!  I have a question..  In a package (foo) I have a Depends: field which specifies a package name only (bar) without mentioning version.  If the user already has an old version of this package installed am I correct in thinking that even if a newer bar package is available on the repository, it will not be pulled down and installed and the package will happily install continuing with the older one?12:32
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lcuk(replace debian gods with maemo gods ;))12:32
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lcukI broke liqbase package updates with this and I want to make sure I set it correctly this time12:33
crashanddie_lcuk: yeah, that's my assumption as well. I would ask in #debian though :P12:33
hrw|gprs#debian-devel or #ubuntu-devel12:34
hrw|gprs1Mbps internet link suxx12:34
lcukhrw|gprs, better than a 0Mbps link ;) I like your connection method btw12:35
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lcuko_O I think frals has morphed into a debian god12:36
lcuk* jpinx-eeepc slaps lcuk around with a fresh trout12:36
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timelesslcuk: it depends on the package manager12:38
timelessbut yeah ham doesn't eagerly update12:38
jpinx-eeepclcuk: :p12:38
timelessjust provide a newer package w/ a stronger dependency12:38
lcukyeah timeless that was thinking but remembering to set it afterupdating the library is a problem and the package template currently does not specify a version12:39
timelesslcuk: btw, you might consider having a user/ meta package12:39
timelesswhich has absolutely no data, just dependencies12:39
timelessthat way you can force an update of either of your two(+) components12:39
timelessw/o forcing hte user to pay for the other one(s)12:39
lcukahhh timeless good idea12:40
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lcukso if I have 10 apps which are installed using unversioned it won't matter12:40
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MohammadAGfacebook, the most f'd up thing I've seen12:40
lcukbecause as soon as I update the meta package for hte library then it will be updated anyway12:40
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lcukthats a really good idea, thanks12:40
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BCMMi'm making a replacement boot video12:41
ptmn_Oh shi-12:41
BCMMi've read a nice wiki article or forum thread about how to correctly encode them, but i can't find it now12:42
BCMMcan anyone help?12:42
ptmn_hildon-thumbnailerd eats 100% of CPU!12:42
BCMMalso, can it be done with mencoder?12:43
chem|stptmn_: after boot or after you took a picture?12:44
ptmn_after boot12:44
chem|stthere is a bug for you... 2secs12:44
ptmn_i removed some pics and it's ok now12:44
povbotBug 10558: hildon-thumbnail eats CPU after powerup without any change to files12:44
chem|sthad no time yet to strace it if you like to you are welcome12:45
RST38hYou do know there is a setting in Tracker "disable initial media scan when running on battery"?12:45
RST38hchem|st: This is not a bug. It is a ...mhm...feature12:45
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chem|stRST38h: It has no button for normal users so it is a bug12:46
lcukhmm RST38h you got the info on that setting??12:46
RST38hchem|st: The whole Tracker is a bug then12:46
chem|stRST38h: yes12:47
RST38hlcuk: It is documented right there, with a comment12:47
* RST38h agrees with chem|st on this12:47
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RST38hchem|st: How about disabling Tracker completely and making a desktop button that says "Scan media NOW"?12:47
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chem|stthis darn thing starts scanning after I took a single picture and freezes desktop for about 3 mins12:48
lcukjpinx-eeepc, what other handhelds do you have at the moment?12:48
RST38hyep, there is no way to make more than one photo at a time12:48
lcuk(and btw, there is an easy-debian chroot available for use within maemo :)12:48
RST38hbecause once the thumbnailer kicks in, you are toast12:48
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chem|stRST38h: no, that damn thing should at least have a database for filesystemchanges to check back onb12:49
RST38hit does12:49
chem|stRST38h: I took two pictures and wasn't able to do anything anymore...12:49
MohammadAGlcuk, syntax error, expecting ")"12:49
MohammadAGTomaszD, hmm, what?12:50
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TomaszDthat bug report12:50
chem|stI scanned one barcode wanted to look it up at and as soon as I hit the browser it was all toast12:50
lcukMohammadAG, you are a syntax error12:50
RST38hchem|st: When you make a picture, there is a new media file in the fs, so Thumbnailer bites into it12:50
MohammadAGlcuk, sniff, sniff12:50
RST38hchem|st: And once it does, your disk data pipe is clogged12:50
MohammadAGhmm, xchat isn't opening links in the damn browser12:51
chem|stRST38h: I know...12:51
RST38hchem|st: blocking anyone trying to swap there, so the system hangs12:51
TomaszDwe need those desktop responsiveness patches applied to the kernel12:51
RST38hMohammad: it does, actually. Hold, then select from menu12:51
chem|stshouldn't it check if there are already thumbs for all other pics in that folder?12:51
RST38hMohammad: Got that a few days ago though it was a bug12:51
RST38hchem|st: It only scans one new picture afaik12:51
chem|stRST38h: that does not take several 10 seconds does it?12:52
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RST38hchem|st: There are two places where you can tweak things to make them more responsive12:52
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RST38hchem|st: As I said, disk data pipe is very slow, so things get clogged fast12:52
lcukMohammadAG, your system will catch up and open 20 windows soon12:53
RST38hchem|st: 1. Reduce swappiness from 100 to 30 2. Reduce tracker activity from 1 to 20 and tell it not to hog memory12:53
MohammadAGRST38h, on my laptop lol12:53
* MohammadAG hands RST38h a shotgun12:53
RST38hchem|st: this is not the perfect fix of course, but your N900 will become mighty responsive, even in Fennec ;)12:54
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MohammadAGthree things, trackerd, watchdogs, and the thumbnailer12:54
MohammadAGactually, 4, apt-worker12:54
RST38hMohammad: You know I prefer WMDs12:54
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RST38hoh yes, the apt...12:54
chem|stoh yes apt worker...12:54
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chem|stwhere do I change swappiness, I mean the config file12:56
jacekowski /proc/sys/vm/swappiness12:56
RST38hsearch tmo for swappiness12:56
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MohammadAGreplaced apt-worker12:58
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timelessMohammadAG: why?12:58
MohammadAGwhy not, I don't use it anyways12:59
timelessyou don't use it?12:59
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MohammadAGI don't use HAM12:59
iliushi, how to copy a text in the maemo (mozilla-based) browser?12:59
timelessso why do you care about it?12:59
MohammadAGcause it auto updates repos12:59
timelessilius: google interaction modes?13:00
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iliustimeless: what?13:00
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timelessilius: there are some videos which act as introduction to the n90013:01
timelessyou should watch them13:01
chem|stjacekowski: the config...13:01
jpinx-eeepclcuk: none - the N900 will be my first :)13:01
timeless is the videos i guess13:01
* timeless wonders if they don't actually talk about the browser :(13:02
lcukjpinx-eeepc, :)13:02
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iliustimeless: i cant find anything. thats not a input field to select and Ctrl+C13:04
iliusthe problem is that its not selectable13:04
timelessi think works13:05
lcukilius, in messaging, just click the individual message.  it opens in a window on its own with a specific dedicated copy button ;)13:05
chem|stilius: swipe from left and use the mouse...13:06
timelessilius: watch the last video link i gave you13:06
timelessit's at 1:1213:06
timelessor 1:2613:06
lcukbut the jedi swipe to enable select mode is indeed a jedi feature13:06
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chem|stRST38h: so you think swappiness 30 will do good?13:07
iliushmmm i can not open youtube right not, i see it lator13:07
chem|stlcuk: I am a Jedi!13:08
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rmrfchikthis n900 is not phone what are looking for13:08
lcukrmrfchik, the n900 is indeed the phone you are looking for13:10
lcukjust like a light sabre, you make it into what you need13:10
rmrfchikthe phone it is not13:10
rmrfchikthe mobile computer it is13:10
MohammadAGbuy a 331013:10
hrw|gprsMohammadAG: 3210+vibra would be better I think13:11
MohammadAGhrw|gprs, when you switch to 2.5G do you change nicks to |EDGE?13:12
chem|stRST38h: so for tracker I tell LowMemoryMode=true, indexing -> throttle 20 (current is 10... been there)13:12
chem|stanything else?13:12
rmrfchikMohammadAG: lemme guess... NO! Conenctivity api don't allow you to do it ;)13:12
RST38hchem|st: I know swappiness 30 is good13:13
RST38hchem|st: Yes, for tracker, although I am not sure how much good it does =(13:13
hrw|gprsMohammadAG: now it is hrw|3.5g according to n90013:13
chem|stwell my desktop got it at 10 my netbook at 60...13:13
RST38hchem|st: But with the lower swappiness I can actually use Fennec.13:13
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chem|stbut there I have at least 2GB real RAM13:13
hrw|gprsMohammadAG: 1.25 / 0.36 Mbps13:13
rmrfchikRST38h: why u need fennec?13:13
RST38hIt controls how proactively the kernel swaps pages out13:14
rmrfchikopera/microb are much faster than fennec13:14
* rmrfchik can't find use for mobile firefox13:14
RST38hGiven that our disk is so damn slow you do not want to do that very often13:14
timelessrmrfchik: depends what you're doing13:14
RST38hrmrfchik: there are reasons13:14
hrw|gprsrmrfchik: I do not see a use for microb. only opera here13:14
rmrfchikcan you share?13:14
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rmrfchikhrw|gprs: yeah, opera FTW13:14
chem|strmrfchik: use the force you must young padawan13:14
MohammadAGOpera isn't really a good replacement13:14
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rmrfchikI use G force.13:15
MohammadAGit's an excellent browser, not a replacement13:15
hrw|gprsMohammadAG: so far it is for me. I do not care about flash13:15
rmrfchikopera/micob do exellent browser job for me. fennec is so jerky and slow13:15
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MohammadAGhrw|gprs, neither do I13:16
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Dakonhas anyone an idea how I can enter a WPA2 hex key for my Wifi on N900?13:16
chem|stDakon: connect and you will be asked13:16
Dakonyes, but that field only allows input of 63 characters as the ASCII key would have13:17
Dakonthe hex key has 6413:17
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hrw|gprsDakon: open a bug against it. nokia will mark it as wontfix, you will curse them, they will ignore you13:18
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chem|stuse a shorter hex key?13:18
hrw|gprsuse long ascii key?13:19
_trinewhy would you want so many characters anyway13:19
chem|stusing a shorter key isn't less secure but less anoying13:19
rmrfchikdon't forget to start new whine thread on I will "thanks" you13:19
hrw|gprsgU4arjaxiwqpzjVPJTVLkjurKEcJPemPFaUuycUrbWzTcXcyEktguULJLavKLME for example13:19
hrw|gprs~hail pwgen13:19
* infobot bows down to pwgen and chants, "I'M NOT WORTHY!!"13:20
rmrfchikhrw|gprs: and BSID13:20
DakonI take that as "noone knows, probably unsupported"?13:20
hrw|gprsrmrfchik: essid you mean?13:20
hrw|gprsrmrfchik: I use "hrw" as essid. password is overcomplicated anyway13:20
hrw|gprsDakon: or no one got hit by this yet13:21
rmrfchikand your location? going to add essid/password on map "Free WiFi"13:21
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hrw|gprsrmrfchik: first you will have to get my wifi password13:21
hrw|gprsrmrfchik: 53.378266,14.6622213:22
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Dakonisn't that uncommon as it seems13:22
chem|sthrw|gprs: where do you live?13:22
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hrw|gprschem|st: check13:23
crashanddie_rmrfchik: "free wifi" is the name of the open wireless networks of my ISP13:24
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chem|stDakon: I could not care less... WPA2 is injected already so why bother with typing 64digits anyways13:26
Dakonrelated problem: how do I type a percent sign?13:27
chem|stuse a 2048bit cert or something...13:27
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BCMMDakon: alt, sym, tap the symbol on the screen13:27
Dakonah, got it13:27
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hrw|gprsmgedmin: thx for post13:33
mgedminwhen I wrote it all down, I thought "surely this is too complicated for anyone else to ever even attempt to use it"13:33
hrw|gprsmgedmin: BTDUN works fine13:34
BCMMhas anyone encoded a working boot video in mencoder?13:35
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mgedminhrw|gprs, when I last tried it, DUN worked for 15 mins and then dropped the connection13:39
hrw|gprsmgedmin: I use it for 2 hours now. it broke only when I had 10 minutes call13:40
chem|stmgedmin: ad-hoc did work once then lsot connection and wasn't able to get internet before a n900 reboot...13:40
hrw|gprsmgedmin: and I want to safe battery life as much as possible13:41
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Dakon*gngngn* I can't believe that I will mistype the password 10 times13:43
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Dakonthis thing supports WPA2/AES, no?13:44
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chem|stDakon: my router hang up when I tried to set it...13:45
chem|stnot the phone13:45
Dakonmy router works fine with that for month13:46
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chem|stsome setups are not working *LMAO*13:46
Dakonmy phone hates me :(13:47
chem|stDakon: the missing force it feels13:48
DakonI think I should send it back and by an Iphone (*cough*)13:50
Dakonthat works with wpa2/aes13:50
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BCMMyay! working boot video!13:53
Jucatohm ... in Maemo Garage Trove Categorization, why isn't there an option for Maemo 5 under Maemo/Tablet OS version?13:54
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Stskeepspeople use trove categorization on garage still? :P13:56
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Jucatohah dunno. my first project. just following what the email said :)13:57
Dakonok, when I switch back to WEP it works13:58
Dakonbut with no WPA I have13:59
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crashanddie_Dakon: how about WPA with a short password?13:59
DakonI tried that13:59
Dakonand it wasn't even cryptic13:59
crashanddie_also, check dmesg to see if it's an erroneous password or incompatibility13:59
Dakonjust "dummesTeil"13:59
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Dakonit shows "wl1251: firmware booted (Rev" "wl1251: down" "wl1251: 151 tx blocks at 0x3b788, 35 rx blocks at 0x3a780"14:05
Dakonfor every failed attempt14:05
chem|stDakon: I got wpaX-* and at n900 all show as wpa14:06
chem|stno matter if wpa2 or PSK or EAP (well eap shows as wpa with EAP..)14:06
DakonI wonder if I there is a firmware upgrade14:06
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MohammadAGStskeeps, apparently, BackupMenu is the worst method to backup a device14:07
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chem|stDakon: yes... wl1251: firmware booted (Rev
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chem|stDakon: you are running PR1.2?14:08
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Dakonno idea, I just took it out of the box14:09
Dakonkernel is from december14:09
chem|stDakon: the FW you update to have14:09
hrw|gprsDakon: so it is old14:09
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DakonI think so14:09
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chem|stwell set something easy on your router like wep or something, upgrade your device to current FW and try wpa again14:10
MohammadAGhey debernardis14:10
debernardisthanks :) here I'm14:10
chem|sthey debernardis14:10
debernardisI could eventually reflash14:10
debernardisnow back to fsck'ing /home I guess...14:10
debernardishi chem|st14:11
chem|stdebernardis: what happened?14:11
debernardisI was stuck in reflashing with a strange error "Write failed after 1048576 bytes usb_bulk_write: Resource temporarily unavailable"14:11
debernardisFortunately MohammadAG told me to go on trying14:12
debernardisand it worked in the end14:12
MohammadAGHad the same problem the other day14:12
debernardisI solved by re-issuing the flasher command without disconnecting the n90014:12
chem|styeah I just tried to falsh till it actauly flashed...14:12
MohammadAGThough I experimented around with it14:12
MohammadAGdd the rootfs, and flashing will fail14:12
debernardisyes, BackupMenu was the problem14:13
MohammadAGdd'ing /dev/mtd5 was14:13
debernardis(I tried to restore my rootfs from the device itself - I think it uses dd)14:13
MohammadAGI hope this thing doesn't reach extras14:13
chem|stMohammadAG: was it you telling that you uninstalled multiboot and went to bootmenu?14:13
MohammadAGchem|st, hmm, I uninstalled multiboot on my own14:14
MohammadAGlong before installing backupmenu14:14
debernardisthough I'd really like something to make a backup and restore from the device itself14:14
chem|stMohammadAG: thats OT sorry, I was thinking of doing the same14:14
MohammadAGdebernardis, I tried the whole dd thing months ago14:15
debernardisdidn't find it on the forums while I was in panic :)14:15
chem|stdebernardis: a backup and restore running solely from somewhere else than rootfs should do... but that is the problem in this case...14:15
MohammadAG51backupmenu mounts the rootfs14:17
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Dakonthe firmware flasher always exits with "Unable to enumerate USB buses" after he found the device14:20
MohammadAG51hmm, linux?14:20
Dakonopen("/sys/bus/usb/devices/(null)/descriptors", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory)14:21
Dakonthat can't work :(14:21
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MohammadAG51libusb installed?14:22
chem|stDakon: why don't you try OTA upgrades first?14:22
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MohammadAG51Hildon Application Manager14:22
Dakonm'kay, will look14:22
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chem|stDakon: as I said, setup your router to something easy like wep or wpa-psk or not security and upgrade via HAM (app-manager) real quick14:23
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chem|stif your device is freshly OOTB then this won't be a problem at all14:24
jacekowskiflashing is probably faster14:25
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Dakonok, will need to charge it for a while first14:26
Dakonthx so far14:26
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V13any guru in hildon-desktop-python-loader ?14:33
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chem|stV13: apt-get purge hildon-desktop-python-loader14:36
chem|stV13: apt-get remove --purge hildon-desktop-python-loader o_O14:36
chem|stV13: didn't answer you questio`n?14:37
V13it says o_O no such package14:37
V13I've a "conflict" between two python widgets14:38
V13and I believe it's a logical error.14:38
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V13I suspect that the problem is caused because both widgets create an osso.Context()14:38
V13which AFAIK should only be done once per process...14:38
V13and it seems that python loader is just one process (no?)14:39
V13osso.Context() succeeds, but system_bus.add_signal_receiver fails later saying that there is no mainloop14:39
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lizardoV13: yes14:39
V13even if I specify one explicitely14:39
V13am I doing something wrong?14:39
V13oh.. hi lizardo :)14:40
lizardoV13: I wonder why you need to use python-osso on your widget?14:40
V13I want to use dbus14:40
V13In fact I use from gpodder which uses dbus14:40
V13in order to detect device rotation14:41
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lizardoV13: have yoy tried using python-dbus only?14:41
V13and the widget conflicts with bluezwitch which also uses the same logic.14:41
V13hm.. I'm not *very* familiar with dbus...14:41
V13or osso....14:41
lizardoV13: me neither :)14:41
V13FWIW, that's the error: Error: To make asynchronous calls, receive signals or export objects, D-Bus connections must be attached to a main loop by passing mainloop=... to the constructor or calling dbus.set_default_main_loop(...)14:42
lizardoV13: but I think there are other widgets which use dbus , which might help... (none come to my mind though)14:42
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V13ok.. let's see what happens if I remove osso.Context()14:42
V13oh.. it is required for RPC.14:43
V13so it can't be removed.14:43
V13is there a way to get the existing osso context ?14:44
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lizardoV13: good question... To discover, I believe you have to take a look at libosso source and see how that context is stored internally14:45
lizardoV13: but I believe the libosso RPC parts can be most replaced by using python-dbus directly...  BTW, have you tried looking at C widgets that use DBUS?14:45
V13ok.. i just tried removing that for a while.. and it failed too.14:45
V13so it's not the osso.Context()14:45
lizardoV13: maybe hthey have the answer14:46
V13do you understand something from the error that I pasted above?14:46
V13or suspect14:47
lizardoV13: the error itself makes kind of sense (if you look at standalone python-dbus code that receive signals, you will see calls to set the mainloop) but for widgets I really don't know how to do it14:48
lizardoV13: my suggestion is to really take a look at other widgets that use DBUS14:48
lizardoV13: either C (if you can read it) or python14:48
V13lizardo: the widget works very well when bluezwitch is not installed14:48
V13so the code works.14:48
V13but it conflicts when the bluezwitch is also loaded.14:49
lizardoV13: for sure, it is clearly some sort of "conflict" , given that they are all in the same process14:49
V13So it's not 100% a dbus problem. It's something that one widget is causing on another14:49
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V13since the add_signal_receiver() failes, I believe it's the dbus... but I don't understand exactly which part. I'm looking in bluezwitch's code too right now.14:50
lizardoV13: the issue (I think) is that dbus communication is a whole-process thing, so if all widgets share the same process they need to (somehow) manage their dbus connections14:50
V13i don't understand why since there can be multiple connections to dbus (no?)14:51
V13i don't believe that connections are multiplexed... but of course that's a guess14:51
lizardoV13: good luck... if you think it is still some issue specific to python widgets, I would suggest reporting an issue to the PyMaemo bugzilla14:52
lizardoV13: but my wild guess is that the issue you are facing would happen even to C code, so people from the Hildon team might be able to help you as well14:53
V13how can i reach them?14:53
V13maemo-developers ?14:53
lizardoV13: there is the
V13oh... didn't know about that.14:54
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lizardoV13: just be sure to explain the problem in a generic way (i.e. you are trying to use some code that requires an OSSO context, and how to do it in a widget ) , but mentioning you are using Python is ok14:55
V13it seems that the problem is not the osso context after all.14:55
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V13since moving osso.Context() call a bit latter (after the error-line) didn't change anything.14:55
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lizardoV13: ok... in this case try to explain the problem and how far you got in trying to identify the problem... :)14:56
V13I'll work on this a little mor14:57
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Dakonyeah, firmware upgrade has helped15:03
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hatake_kakashiwho cares15:19
MohammadAGX-Fade, ping15:19
X-FadeMohammadAG: pong15:19
MohammadAGX-Fade, problems with permissions on the builder?15:20
MohammadAGX-Fade, scp: /var/www/extras-devel/incoming-builder/fremantle/vlc-remote_0.1-1_source.changes: Permission denied15:20
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X-FadeMohammadAG: Hmm they are owned by somebody else.15:22
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MohammadAGX-Fade, umm, so the perms are actually screwed?15:22
X-FadeMohammadAG: I think uid mismatch of some kind.15:22
MohammadAGX-Fade, so can it be fixed?15:23
MohammadAGDownloads: 44644 for midnight commander15:23
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X-FadeMohammadAG: Everyting can be fixed, it is just a matter of time :)15:24
X-FadeMohammadAG: What is your garage username again?15:24
Antti_Aliencan someone tell me where i could find a list of dbus signals for maemo's browser?15:24
MohammadAGit's not my fault usernames have to be lowercase :P15:24
X-FadeMohammadAG: And you upload always with scp?15:25
Antti_Alieni could only find osso_browser.load_url, but i bet there are more :/15:25
MohammadAGX-Fade, yeah15:25
MohammadAGX-Fade, dput15:25
* MohammadAG pokes timeless ^15:25
SceltSpeedEvil: - there's N900 too15:25
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X-FadeMohammadAG: Can you try again?15:28
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MohammadAGX-Fade, uploaded, though it'll most likely get rejected by the builder, thanks :)15:29
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X-FadeMohammadAG: Well at least the uid matches now.15:30
crashanddieoh, cool, I've won a Nokia award!15:30
MohammadAGbastard of the server award?15:30
MohammadAGX-Fade, thanks again15:30
Stskeeps'most arrogant community member of the year"?15:30
crashanddie"GLÜCKWÜNSCHE [ IHRE E-mail HAT GEWONNEN {REF NR.:NOKIA/09876434 } ] !!!"15:30
crashanddieStskeeps: I'm hardly the most :P15:30
crashanddieStskeeps: see, ^ proof that I'm humble in my arrogance15:31
lcukcrashanddie, you are condescending too15:31
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crashanddieaww :(15:33
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Antti_Alienhm, i found a file tablet-browser-interface.h listing some signals, but at least some of them don't exist anymore :E15:33
lcukcrashanddie, isnt that your blog title :P15:34
crashanddiewell, yeah, but that's just the name of the blog15:34
crashanddiedamn, this is a fine looking helmet:
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V13lizardo: Could the problem be this? (it's your post)15:38
keriocrashanddie: much better helmet:
crashanddiekerio: sfw?15:39
keriowell, unless your boss hates daft punk15:40
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lizardoV13: not exactly the same problem, but I believe your solution might be on that thread15:42
lizardoV13: there were in total 3 solutions posted on that thread, each one solving a different problem15:42
lizardoV13: you might want to try some of them15:42
lizardoV13: these are the 3 solutions15:43
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* V13 tryign15:43
* V13 trying15:43
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lizardoV13: the last one seems to be a merge of the first two15:44
V13lizardo: I'm going for the first...15:45
V13(because of the environ[])15:45
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V13now trying the hardcoded string since the other one was the session bus and not the system bus15:49
alteregoI'm leaning towards the ignore feature of tmo to abill_uk at the moment ..15:49
alteregoThough occasionaly he does make me laugh.15:49
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V13lizardo.. If you were near me, I'd hug you15:53
V13it worked :)15:53
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lizardoV13: nice :D15:55
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V13summary: instead of using dbus.SystemBus() or dbus.Bus.get_system(), I used dbus.bus.Busconnect('unix:path=/var/run/dbus/system_bus_socket')15:55
MohammadAGlol alterego15:56
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lizardoV13: note that this is mostly a workaround to the abscense of an specific method ( , the bug is not fixed yet, but I think the workaround serves for now15:57
povbotBug 8611: python-hildondesktop lacks get_dbus_connection()/get_dbus_g_connection() methods15:57
V13lizardo: FWIW, I'm working on this bug full-time for a lot of days now...From this procedure I found an easy way to debug python hildon-home widgets: f=open('/tmp/mylog.log', 'at', buffering=1); sys.stdout=f, sys.stderr=f15:57
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V13lizardo: I'll post a reply with the workaround of that bug. It could save others a lot of hours.15:58
lizardoV13: hey, can you add this debugging tip to  ? thanks15:58
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GAN900gerbick and others seem to like professing their ignorance about what issues the council can actually be effective on, yet I'm sure I've had this EXACT SAME discussion with him and others at least three times.16:04
lcuktimeless, ping16:06
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alteregoGAN900: he seemed to get it yesterday, then forgot by the afternoon ..16:09
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DakonI downloaded some files to my phone, saved it in "Documents"16:23
Dakonwhere do I find that in an x-term? /home/user/MyDocs does not have that files16:23
kerioDakon: ~/MyDocs/.documents16:24
Dakonah, hidden ;)16:24
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Dakonyeah, marble ;) awesome ;)16:30
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LantiziaAnyone seen/got one of these?
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pigeoni ordered one.16:35
Lantiziapigeon, where from?16:36
LantiziaI'm wondering how well it'd work with FPS like OpenArena :S16:36
Lantiziaah the US site ok16:37
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PhonicUKhey all16:39
PhonicUKanyone know where the quake 3 1.32c pak1.pk3 -> pakXX.pk3 can be found without installing a full on patch?16:39
PhonicUKsorting out q3 for my N90016:39
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povbotBug 626593: was not found.16:46
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kerioBug 404: bug not found.16:49
povbotBug Video player subtitles support16:49
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* DocScrutinizer hands GAN900 a lolly (with tequila flavour)16:51
DocScrutinizeror would you prefer bacon?16:52
keriotequila-flavored bacon or bacon-flavored lolly?16:52
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DocScrutinizerI'm still pondering16:52
lauriHey guys, I have a package in extras-testing16:53
DocScrutinizerprobably it's becoming more the lolly16:53
lauriI can install it via apt-get but the item doesnt show up in app manager16:53
* DocScrutinizer (C)'s bacon-lollies16:53
kerioi want a bacon-flavored tequila16:53
GAN900Probably too early in the morning for tequila.16:53
GAN900kerio, bacon salt.16:53
SpeedEvilI want a bacon flavoured omelette.16:53
* lcuk has been able to eat first bacon and egg butty in ages today16:54
lcukSpeedEvil, do you use bacon chunks or bacon flavouring?16:54
lcukand if its real bacon chunks, do you drop bacon in raw or precooked cut up rashers?16:55
SpeedEvilI chop the bacon bits I get into chunks, then brown.16:55
* lcuk cust bacon into little cubes and mixes with onions like a stirfry16:55
SpeedEvilI'm too cheap for rashers.16:55
lcukgod I just ate but I am hungry again16:56
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SpeedEvilAlso - cheap bacon + a little soy sauce, and a tiny bit of brown sugar when frying tastes just like expensive bacon.16:56
SpeedEvilWell - sort of.16:56
GAN900The rancid taste is difficult to mask?16:57
* GAN900 isn't sure what the difference is between cheap and expensive.16:58
SpeedEvilAt least here, the cheap stuff doesn't taste rancid.16:58
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SpeedEvilIt's just not cured with a nice cure.16:58
lcuki just go into the forrest and find a wild boar16:58
lcukcut up and left to cure in my smoking shed for a few months16:59
GAN900Bacon across international borders is weird.16:59
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lcukcanadian bacon is like drian ham16:59
lcukits yuck16:59
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[DarkGUNMAN]give me uk bacon straight from the local butchers anyday :)17:02
chem|sthow do I partition my sdcard without touching the first partition on device? (sfdisk, or is there anything else available?)17:03
SpeedEvilcfsdisk is available on some repo17:03
SpeedEvilI found it more friendly17:04
achipahmmm ... who should I bother with opening new projects on bugzilla ? niels or andre ?17:04
SpeedEvilAlso - most SD cards would be full.17:04
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SpeedEvilNo vacant space, so you can't add partitions.17:04
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chem|stSpeedEvil: devel I guess...17:05
achipaandre__: yes, that is the page I somehow managed to miss in the search results. thanks17:06
chem|stSpeedEvil: well I dont want to move all the stuff around...17:07
GAN900Why are all of these new people following me on twitter. . . .17:07
GAN900I don't tweet.17:07
RST38hThey are stalkers17:07
SpeedEvilchem|st: you mean you want to repartition the internal 32G?17:07
RST38hAnd they think you are Samantha Fox17:08
chem|stSpeedEvil: nope I try to get meego on the sd and partittion it afterwards for nitdroid and fat17:09
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chem|stok now my first partition is the size of my previous fat... darn17:16
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Lantiziapigeon, I just ordered one too :) from the EU site17:21
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GAN900"You might be surprised how much community council sometimes knows under confidentiality agreement."17:34
GAN900Yeah, that's a good one to use on Talk.17:34
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RST38hAh, the Cabal17:38
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RST38hEvil conspiracy by the council members to hide Flash 10.x from the N900 users.17:38
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DocScrutinizerUK bacon, bah. Andaluz Cerano bacon! Yummy17:40
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DocScrutinizerwait, maybe that's ham?17:41
RST38hWhois is Andaluz Cerano? Is he legal to eat? =)17:41
chem|stok other way round... I try to dd the meego.raw directly at the end fingers crossed17:41
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DocScrutinizerAndalucia is a region in south Spain17:42
DocScrutinizercarno is the name of the bacon17:42
DocScrutinizercerano even17:42
RST38hoh <disappointed>17:42
DocScrutinizerGAN900: LOL17:43
chem|stRST38h: what ever you like, thats from spain as DocScrutinizer said, the 3 top notches in europe are spain italy and south-west germany17:43
DocScrutinizerGAN900: got your asbestos underwear today?17:43
RST38hpoor scandinavians do not even get participate? =)17:44
RST38hs/get/get to/17:44
infobotRST38h meant: poor scandinavians do not even get to participate? =)17:44
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DocScrutinizerGAN900: who's been the genius to post such brilliant statement?17:45
GAN900I dunno, but MY Flash 10.1 works great.17:46
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GAN900DocScrutinizer, Peter. . . .17:46
GAN900DocScrutinizer, Peter. . . .17:46
GAN900Why was that sent twice?17:46
DocScrutinizerarrow-up+enter - fat fingers?17:46
DocScrutinizerGAN900: we know you better :-D17:47
DocScrutinizertwittering on IRC while the talk goes on :-D17:47
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GAN900Somebody want to drop the MyNokia idiocy on Peter re: stonewalling?17:48
DocScrutinizertoo early for tmo here17:48
DocScrutinizerneed to bash 5 OC fanboys in IRC first, to get the right adrenaline level :-P17:49
chem|stDocScrutinizer: true... I need to be very tired to read 10 pages of such an idiotic thread...17:49
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RST38hGAN: It is useless to drop stuff on peter. He is the PR guy, he will snake his way out.17:50
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RST38hGAN: Right now, I am inclined toward solutions that in no way involve Nokia. I.e. third party repositories, Maemo5 base packages patched by non-nokians and placed there, outside distribution channels, etc17:51
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* alterego shudders,17:52
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alteregoSir Engineer is now suggesting we rename to something else, as maemo no longer exists...17:52
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DocScrutinizerSir Engineer? The allmighty?17:53
jacekowskiwhy does t.m.o defaults to american date format?17:53
Ford_Prefectma emo dot org -> u r emo dot org?17:54
DocScrutinizerjacekowski: because they couldn't find any more fsckedup format, except maybe unix jiffies, and they'd be too long17:54
Ford_PrefectSorry :)17:54
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alteregoShouldn't that be your mom?17:54
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* achipa wonders if doing X tunneling via ssh to start vmware which runs a virtual machine hosting scratchbox is the right way to develop software for Maemo17:55
alteregoachipa: been there, done that :P17:55
* DocScrutinizer wonders if he can be bothered to find the URL and open up that thread once again... but nah17:56
alteregoDocScrutinizer: I can give you the URL if you like :P17:56
achipaalterego: how many beers does it take until it becomes accetable in speed over an ADSL uplink ?17:56
alteregoI wouldn't I'm quite ashamed now of how he's made me react ..17:57
alteregoachipa: Hah, you mean how many beers per-pixel you'll have ?17:57
DocScrutinizerIn the end who cares about notion of a few noobs and id.... regarding council?17:57
DocScrutinizerI'm pretty happy with those guys around my daily IRC :-D17:58
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alteregoI support the council 100%17:58
alteregoI don't think there's any need for any reform now.17:58
DocScrutinizerGAN900: news from quim?17:58
alteregoI'm quite happy that the MeeGo guy said he still wants a MeeGo council.17:59
alteregoProbably one of the 3 posts that are actually interesting in that thread.17:59
RST38halterego: but as inconsequential as the rest of them17:59
DocScrutinizerOMFG meEgo guys on tmo - it's doomsday17:59
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alteregoNokia guy on tmo18:00
alteregoThe Nokia MeeGo guy18:01
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lcukit does help if you use his real nick so people understand who you mean18:01
* RST38h chants "Doomsday! Doomsday!" while getting some marshmallows18:02
Stskeepswill someone please maim abill_uk soon18:03
alteregoYou'd think it was the end of the world18:03
DocScrutinizerabill_uk is an agent. You need to be Neo to maim him18:04
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RST38hStskeeps: Who let him out again, anyway? I though he has been banned?18:05
DocScrutinizeror enter red-pill-mode and simply close that browser window18:05
* RST38h misses the original itt nutcases18:05
GAN900DocScrutinizer, nothing yet.18:06
RST38hNew ones are dumb and boring18:06
DocScrutinizerGAN900: as usual18:06
alteregoI'd give tmo a rest, but occasionally there is still a lot of interesting stuff.18:07
alteregoIt's just a shame about the noise.18:07
alteregoEven reading the topics gives me a headache sometimes.18:07
GAN900DocScrutinizer, yeah. . . .18:07
GAN900Whatever the Nokia guys think, I don't think the Intel people want a council.18:07
DocScrutinizerGAN900: tell him hostmode and esp jrbme is waiting?18:07
DocScrutinizerGAN900: (don't want) that's pretty obvious from general mood over there18:08
GAN900Amazingly I'm actually rather agreed with silvermountain there.18:08
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alteregoNew laptop keyboard is working nice.18:11
alteregoAnd it's all shiny, no worn down keys :)18:11
lcukmy keys on laptop are all shiney from use18:11
RST38hGAN: PR guy. Cannot be bothered with something like this. Will insist on voicing the official corporate message no matter what.18:11
alteregoMakes my laptop look kinda new again :)18:11
DocScrutinizerI ponder to vacuum my kbd once again18:11
DocScrutinizertoo much bread crumbs18:12
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lcukturn keyboard over, bash a few times18:14
lcukbit more difficult on laptops ofc18:14
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Stskeepsand now for the cold turkey of kicking tmo addiction18:14
alteregoStskeeps: you wont manage it, you know that right? :P18:14
Stskeepsalterego: sufficiently pissed to do it18:15
RST38hStskeeps: You will come back18:15
RST38hStskeeps: BTW are you a council member?18:15
alteregoGod ..18:15
StskeepsRST38h: no, thank god18:15
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RST38hok, I know one permanent fixtu^H^Hcouncil member18:15
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alteregoHe's pushing that name change again, I was sort of joking when I first mentioned his comment on the name ..18:15
alteregoBut he's followed it all.18:16
infobotalterego meant: But he's followed it up.18:16
RST38hGAN900: As a council member, would you consider a related proposal?18:16
RST38h(and push it up to the management that is)18:16
alteregoRST38h: a public hanging? :x18:17
lcukcan someone give a summary of the thread everyone seems to be discussing, I've been a bit preoccupied with other things to notice18:17
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RST38hlcuk: There is a poll about Council's relevancy18:17
* GAN900 considers whether it's worth responding to Peter in that thread.18:17
RST38hlcuk: Apparently 49+% consider Council relevant, the rest don't give a fuck18:17
achipaGAN900: Intel people wouldn't understand the Council as they don't understand the community either - not necessarily by some evil motivation, they simply never had such a thing. They just had employees and the occasional dev who hang around lists - for that you really don't need a council.18:17
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luke-jrachipa: Nokia people never understood the Council either, IMO18:18
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RST38hlcuk: This causes both well deserved butthurt to some council members *and* evil glee in some less psychologically stable members of the community18:18
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alteregoI don't think a MeeGo council will be what Nokia have in mind, I think Nokia plan on maybe having a Nokia/MeeGo-Community Council18:18
alteregoIntel don't have to understand it, if Nokia are willing to be our connectivity.18:19
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luke-jrwhat's the point of having a council if they're ignored?18:19
alteregoNot to mention, the openness of what MeeGo is representing kind of makes a lot of what we see the Council for as redundant, they'll just end up being party hosts :)18:19
achipaRST38h: that can be read the other way round, too, you know. Even with a mudslinging contest you couldn't muster more than one fourth of the people visiting to say 'wont miss'18:19
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RST38hluke: and thay is exactly the topic of that thread18:19
timelesssmoke and mirrors has to be good for something, right?18:19
derfGotta pacify the proles.18:20
RST38hachipa: Don't forget the people who do not even bother to vote.18:20
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RST38hachipa: All these count against the council's relevancy18:20
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RST38hachipa: So, no, at the end <50% is not healthy, I am afraid18:20
lcukRST38h, for a poll? nahhh18:21
RST38hachipa: And it is not like council can do much about it, given the situation18:21
lcukwe elect entire governments on less18:21
luke-jrRST38h: IMO, the problem with the council is Nokia's fault, not anyone else's18:21
achipaRST38h: sure, but it's easier to muster support for nay than for yea18:21
RST38hlcuk: Yea, but we are smart people here, right? And we both understand that people who do not bother basically do not care18:21
lcuki know some around have been listening to community and liaiasing and communicating about things that matter18:21
RST38hachipa: Depends :)18:22
luke-jrmaybe the Council should operate more like a union18:22
RST38hPersonally, I would be happy if Council sorted out the Extras bottleneck, but even THAT is not going to happen18:22
alteregoI'd say that the poll is pretty favourable of the council.18:22
luke-jrif enough customers give them the authority, they can make demands of Nokia at risk of losing those customers :P18:22
RST38halterego: It is not. Really.18:22
achipaluke-jr: is that because of the party thing ? unions around here are more into providing, you know, food, coal, sugar...18:22
RST38halterego: The <50% number is deeply disturbing18:23
alteregoIt also kind of gives us an indication of how many lusers are on the forum :P18:23
alteregoRST38h: It beats No by 100%18:23
luke-jrachipa: they're supposed to negotiate deals ;)18:23
RST38hAnd no, calling everyone you do not agree with a loser is not gonna fix it18:23
RST38halterego: that would be unrealistic18:23
alteregoluke-jr: are you saying the council are more like anti-terrorists? :)18:24
luke-jrwhereas one employee/customer cannot make demands of the management on his own, a union allows the employees/customers to team up and make such demands together18:24
RST38halterego: But I would call anything <66% unhealthy18:24
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luke-jrthe real question is, can the community organize a customers' union of relevant size?18:24
luke-jrI think to an extent, that would require agreeing on some common goals and ideals.18:25
alteregoYeah ..18:25
alteregoWe just need to build a fence ..18:25
luke-jrI *think* everyone can agree the ideal is completely open18:25
luke-jrbut there's bound to be disagreement on size, etc18:25
alteregoluke-jr: I don't  :P18:26
luke-jralterego: you'd prefer everything closed?18:26
RST38hWhat Union? What the hell are you talking about?18:26
luke-jrRST38h: basically giving the Council some real power18:26
RST38hHow is your union going to be better than the current council?18:26
alteregoAfter what has happened this year, I'd prefer all the "enduser" types were somewhere else.18:26
luke-jralterego: how is that relevant to openness?18:26
RST38hThat is easy to do18:26
alteregoluke-jr: freedom of speech? :)18:26
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achipaalterego: troll/idiot != enduser18:26
RST38hTold you before: either a filter-by-join-date on tmo, or, barring that, a google group with careful membership policy18:27
alteregoachipa: I know, some are extremely useful and valuable, I like my software being appreciated.18:27
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alteregoRST38h: filter by join date, hahah.18:27
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RST38hI.e. everyone can read, only sane people can post18:27
luke-jrRST38h: what?18:27
achipaalterego: it's just that one troll/idiot can bother you more than 100 perfectly normal end-users18:27
RST38hWith the list of sane people updated once every few weeks18:27
luke-jrRST38h: how does controlling the community give the Council any power against Nokia?18:27
alteregoachipa: you've got a good point there, thank you for resetting my perspectivity.18:27
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alterego~perspective ..18:28
RST38hluke: It does not18:28
RST38hluke: It simply frees me from having to read every single idiot18:28
RST38hWhich is what *I* care: personal comfort18:28
RST38hIntelligent discussion forums, easy way to distribute apps, serious bug reports properly prioritized and addressed.18:29
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RST38hAs to you "community", "openness", or "union", I do not give a flying fuck. They are issues, I do not do issues.18:30
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* GAN900 decides not to throw MyNokia at Peter in a public forum.18:31
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lcukGAN900, I think you would need a really strong arm to throw your nokia at Peter, isn't he based in Helsinki still?18:32
PhonicUKAnyone know how to switch GTK on the N900 to the default style?18:33
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alteregoPhonicUK: I don't think the theming works if you run the app as root ..18:34
alteregoThat is, should use gtk default then ..18:34
RST38hactually, it does18:34
PhonicUKafter I installed EasyDebian and changed the theme in there, it changed it too for everything else that uses GTK18:34
alteregoRST38h: oh well, I just remember someone complaining about it some time.18:34
alteregoNever tried myself :)18:34
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lcukDance, its all I wanna do, so won't you dance.18:36
lcukI'm standing here with you so won't you move18:36
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GAN900lcuk, yes, Nokia taking undisclosed personal information from people, charging them for the privilage and refusing to address the issue in something resembling this reality is super hilarious.18:37
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luke-jrGAN900: thoughts on giving the Council power?18:38
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timelesswe'll probably send people ads for WidSets18:40
timelessi met a guy today who showed me one such ad18:40
timeless(in case people aren't aware, WidSets has been dead for a while, but he got the SMS based ad relatively recently)18:40
GAN900luke-jr, does Nokia management agree?18:41
GAN900I had to introduce myself to Ari twice while wearing a nametag.18:41
luke-jrGAN900: I didn't mean in a way they had a choice18:41
achipaluke-jr: power for what ?18:41
luke-jrGAN900: I mean by having enough customers agree to honour Council boycotts of Nokia and such18:41
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luke-jrso the Council can make demands18:41
luke-jr"stop this MyNokia crap or none of us will buy the next device"18:42
achipaINBANA !18:42
luke-jrwtf is that18:42
timelessluke-jr: but how else will we reach our target? :)18:42
achipaanyway, that will not solve your problem - you can obtain more power to hurt Nokia but that does imply getting what you really want18:43
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luke-jrachipa: it does, because they have to make products that will sell18:44
timelessnot a requirement18:44
timelessnokia gives products to vendors who have to sell them18:44
luke-jrif everyone has agreed not to buy it unless X, then they kinda have to do X18:44
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luke-jrtimeless: as if vendors sell N9018:44
achipaluke-jr: why would they have to ? :) that's like saying politicans should be truthful and modest because that will get them more votes. Yes. Well. Sort of.18:45
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timelessi'm told the n900 is one of verkokauppa's best selling nokia products :)18:45
lcukthere are of course better ways to do things, like leveraging the community to find ways to motivate and improve sales18:45
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lcukand finding positive aspects in things18:46
timelessyeah, i just did ^  :)18:46
lcukglass half empty or glass half full kinda scenario18:46
lcukoh timeless I 100% agree18:46
achipaluke-jr: I think the best example is Apple why this don't work18:46
lcukyou have spoken about Nokia in a positive light and wanted to improve things for as long as I have known you!18:46
lcukyou have introduced more people to speaking clearly than anyone I know18:47
GAN900luke-jr, too idealistic, I think.18:48
GAN900luke-jr, not a poor idea, really, but not realistic.18:48
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luke-jrconsidering lcuk's advice, perhaps better would be to sketch up a general design of a device, then let people sign on as "I would buy this for up to $___"18:58
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luke-jrmaybe a "No. This is why:" comment box :P19:00
lcuknokia already doing that19:00
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luke-jrlcuk: I haven't seen any such polls19:00
GAN900luke-jr, because you're not a good enough customer19:01
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GAN900They don't ACTUALLY want your money.19:01
timelessthere was a poll series a while ago for that19:01
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luke-jrlcuk: interesting. I see a couple of flaws with the implementation at first glance19:03
luke-jrend-users shouldn't decide 'capacitive'; they're too ignorant19:03
timelessah yeah, that one19:03
luke-jrthey should vote on things like 'multitouch', 'accuracy', 'pressure sensitive'19:03
alteregoOh, hahah, like the tags19:03
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GAN900luke-jr, seriously.19:04
luke-jrGAN900: ?19:04
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chem|stluke-jr: true... I wont buy an capacitive device ever! I will sit and wait for resistive multitouch19:04
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GAN900"Oh, capacitive, Apple says I want that. So I want that."19:04
luke-jronly 8 mpixel? O.o19:04
* GAN900 hands alterego an "I feed trolls" shirt.19:04
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* luke-jr wonders if having optical zoom on a handheld is really practical19:04
SpeedEvilluke-jr: yes.19:05
SpeedEvilluke-jr: but you need to dedicate a reasonable case volume to it19:05
luke-jrI suppose if they can make it larger..19:05
alteregoGAN900: I don't have the post count to do tags :P19:05
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luke-jrthese dimensions are basically N90019:06
luke-jrand they want to add an inch to the screen?19:06
luke-jrhow does that work?19:06
lcukGAN900, realistically if you want something productive, find a way to get debian packages on all those meego apps in gitorious19:06
GAN900Less bezel19:06
lcukand find a way for community to start patching them19:06
luke-jrand why the (%#$( did USB 3 get in? IIRC isn't USB 3 *not* compatible with basically anything?\19:06
GAN900lcuk, I don't have any energy for that19:06
lcukthen we can be playing with apps from both sides19:06
ebzzryHi! What does the file /dev/mtd4 correspond to?19:07
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lcukwell some folks have been having energy from other places19:07
tybolltGAN900: pardon me for not reading scrollback but what is the fuzz all about?19:07
GAN900and it's not in my area of expertise anyway19:07
chem|stcinemascope screen will fit the 4"19:07
tybolltGAN900: ta19:07
lcukso perhaps if you have no energy to try something constructive I can understand why the poll reults dont have energy to be positive either19:07
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GAN900lcuk, there are things I'm good at and things I'm not good at, .debs and infra are not one of them.19:08
lcuktalking with the council you can do though19:09
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alteregoTalking he can do.19:09
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alteregoHe's very good at talking :P19:09
lcuktheres a fuckload of new apps just been dropped on gitorious19:09
lcukthey arent in great shape and we cant just run them now19:09
alteregolcuk: MeeGo?19:09
lcukbut with a concerted effort perhaps we can19:09
* alterego goes to check 'em out19:10
Stskeepsthere's reference apps to improve19:10
lcukStskeeps, yes, my point19:10
Stskeepsand features to be implemented19:10
lcukget them running in maemo19:10
lcukand maybe just maybe there will be some more energy19:10
alteregoThe best most of us can hope for is a good MeeGo base UX experience ..19:10
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lcukits fun to boot into meego once in a while or look at the videos19:11
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lcukit will be more fun to be able to cherry pick apps as they mature19:11
alteregoI doubt we'll inherit anything from Harmatten I guess is my point.19:11
lcukand actually replace bits in small chunks19:11
alterego(despite those discussions)19:11
lcukand GAN900 if the council wants to be valued, they best stop talking about themselves as the outgoing, final dead end council19:12
Stskeepsalterego: we're actually inheriting a full desktop, lib toolkit, systemui, .. etc19:12
Stskeepsmore of a platform we ever had in maemo519:12
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SpeedEvilStskeeps: ovi store.19:13
lcukGAN900, I see kisstester has finally took off, when I was discussing this in the future of maemo meeting a few months ago I was told not to bother19:13
alteregoStskeeps: that may be, but MeeGo isn't Harmattan, we'll be using RPM's whilst Harmattan will still be on Debs19:13
Stskeepsalterego: packaging doesn't really matter.19:13
* SpeedEvil does not get the package managment nazis.19:14
lcukgetting testing on the device and along with the apps themselves is something I REALLY like to see happening19:14
lcukits one of the most positive steps in a long time19:14
alteregoIt'll be interesting, because in theory the N900 will be using more up-to-date software than the successor.19:14
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SpeedEvilI need to finish off
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SpeedEvilWhich is part of the way there to explaining why stuff uses power.19:14
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lcukSpeedEvil, I might want to discuss that with you and someone else19:15
alteregoWhich has got me thinking, I probably wont bother with the next device :)19:15
SpeedEvilHopefully tonight.19:15
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alteregoHell, I had to pay full whack for the N900 as I didn't have the karma.19:15
xDaReaperxwonders why i keep disconnecting from the IRC19:15
alteregoI doubt I'll get anything this time around for cheap either :/19:15
SpeedEvilI paid full wack too.19:15
alteregoSo I think I'll just step back and enjoy the N900 as much as  Ican.19:15
SpeedEvilI paid full wack - minus the 15% accessories discount, minus the 15% nokia club discount, minus the 15% I forget what it was discount, minus 50 quid from cashback, minus 50 quid from a study on usage.19:16
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xDaReaperxso how much did you really pay ?19:16
SpeedEvilSomething like a little under half price.19:16
xDaReaperxhmm ok19:16
SpeedEvilBut that was simply being in the right place at the right time, and risking the discount codes working.19:17
SpeedEvilAs there was no way I could afford it without them.19:17
xDaReaperxhaha , i do the exact thing .. i love to Bargain19:17
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lcukStskeeps, I know end game is full meego19:18
lcukbut if you spot any simple mechanisms to get the meego apps running on maemo please speak up19:18
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lcukSpeedEvil, not practical19:19
Stskeepslcuk: libmeegotouch works..19:19
SpeedEvilYou said simple. You diddn't say practical.19:19
lcukyeah Stskeeps19:19
Stskeepsbut yeah, chroot19:19
lcuktheres some other deps which are being sorted atm19:19
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DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: lcuk: I'd like to join that discussion - even if I maybe have few to contribute19:43
lcukDocScrutinizer, :) of course I already had you in mind19:43
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trumeecan N900 take a sdhc card?19:44
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lcukits nothing major, just someone was asking me the sorts of questions I know you guys have been answering and thought it would be better to have a proper get together about it and see if we can get some docs tooling processes fixed up better19:44
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SpeedEviltrumee: yes19:44
trumeeSpeedEvil: so it can take both sdhc and micro sdhc?19:44
SpeedEviltrumee: No - it can only take micro.19:45
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trumeeSpeedEvil: will the above work, i have bought this.19:45
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trumeeSpeedEvil: seems it is only a sdhc card19:45
SpeedEvilIt's physically about 10* too large.19:45
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trumeeSpeedEvil: damn it!19:46
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DocScrutinizer HaHa \o/ flash <3 :-P19:48
DocScrutinizer>>Adobe recommends all users of Adobe Flash Player and earlier versions upgrade to the newest version by downloading it from the Adobe Flash Player Download Center or by installing it via the auto-update mechanism within the product when prompted.<< :-P19:50
lcukso can we get every maemo user banging on their doors?19:51
SpeedEvilOh - interesting!19:51
SpeedEvilthey've released a version of flash 919:51
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* timeless sighs19:52
timelessthere's actually an effort here to try to do something about that for maemo519:52
timelessbut it got complicated19:52
timelesscode is easy19:52
timelessnothing else is19:52
lcukyeah timeless19:52
lcukfrals, are you on pmo jabber, might as well play with new toy19:53
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DocScrutinizertimeless: *nod*19:54
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DocScrutinizertimeless: seems finally Nokia has to appreciate N900 is a computer and not a closed source cellphone. So like every computer it eventually comes to the point where you need patchdays or whatever, between the major releases of FW19:55
timelessnokia is not a sentient being19:56
timelessno matter how much we might wish it were19:56
DocScrutinizer:-S right19:57
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DocScrutinizeranyway, to join in the trolly mood here, this is another nice topic council coult pick up at19:57
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DocScrutinizerI mean, that's a sevey security issue. Nokia has to address it - otherwise somebody might consider sueing them for all the resulting damage19:59
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FunnyfaceI hope that flash will be completely eliminated sooner or later..20:00
FunnyfaceI can't stand it20:01
Funnyfacehopefully HTML5 will make a change20:01
timelessyeah, i hate it when people can watch viral videos20:01
timelessit makes me feel so left out20:01
timelessit's really terrible!20:01
DocScrutinizerno matter how to address it - maybe even by a mail to all users suggesting to disable flash in microb's about:settings or whatever20:01
Funnyfacewhat's the security issue of flash "this time"?20:01
GAN900HTML 5 in MeeGo?20:01
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lcuko_O DocScrutinizer20:03
DocScrutinizerFunnyface: Critical vulnerabilities have been identified in Adobe Flash Player version and earlier. These vulnerabilities could cause the application to crash and could potentially allow an attacker to take control of the affected system.20:04
DocScrutinizerlcuk: ??20:04
lcuktimeless, "cat videos of the world unite"20:05
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timelessgan900: html5 is like ajax20:05
timelessit's a collection of junk20:05
timelessyou mean html5video20:05
timelessbut which video format do you want?20:05
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DocScrutinizertimeless: is there a way to config microb so it won't autoload and play each embedded flash thingie, but rather have a button to click inside the frame saying "start playback"?20:11
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zashDocScrutinizer: you want flashblock?20:13
DocScrutinizeras malware flash usually doesn't come via the youtube video you clicked intentionally to watch it, but rather by one of the 53 flash animated adds from nobody-knows-where on the side banner20:13
DocScrutinizerzash: ooh, yep. probably20:14
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DocScrutinizerso probably we should get a recommendation "to all maemo users: please install flashblock. If in doubt, don't playback flash media"20:16
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DocScrutinizeralso deprecating rootsh in favour of ssh-client/server metapkg which already comes with madatory password, might be sensible20:19
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DocScrutinizeror simply pushing a new version of rootsh thru SSU, which has a password setting mechanism like ssh20:23
kerioDocScrutinizer: ssh root@localhost?20:24
keriowhat's wrong with su20:24
* DocScrutinizer wonders why qwerty12 hadn't done rootsh that way, from very beginning20:24
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DocScrutinizerkerio: su doesn't work with busybox20:25
keriothen here is our problem, isn't it?20:25
FIQAbout su/sudo/rootsh/whatever20:25
FIQHow did i randomly get the possibility to use "sudo" as i do at desktopp20:26
FIQMaybe it was because i changed default shell?20:26
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DocScrutinizerkerio: our problem (well one of the problems :-D ) is gainroot doesn't ask for password as of /etc/sudoers20:26
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FIQUgh, random d/c20:28
FIQdid my line arrive?20:28
FIQbecause i didn't see the answer20:29
FIQif any20:29
DocScrutinizerand yep, might be related to default shell20:29
FIQah, k20:29
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GAN900timeless, what did you ping me about?20:31
GAN900XChat crashed and I have no scrollback. . ..20:31
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DocScrutinizergrep gainroot //etc/sudoers -> user ALL = NOPASSWD: /usr/sbin/gainroot20:34
DocScrutinizernot a brilliant idea20:34
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prontoit would be awesome for the sms app to have an ncurses interface so i could just leave my phone upstairs charging, and ssh to it to send and recieve texts20:43
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DocScrutinizerroot; grep -q 'root:*' & passwd & sed "s/user ALL = NOPASSWD: \/usr\/sbin\/gainroot/user ALL = PASSWD: \/usr\/sbin\/gainroot/" /etc/sudoers.d/01sudo; echo "who is/does update-sudoers? if it's not done on next boot, you need to edit /etc/sudoers accordingly"20:53
DocScrutinizerthis is an untested *suggestion*20:54
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MohammadAGpronto, not exactly sms, but I'm working on something that'll help with ssh control20:55
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MohammadAGso, need help on that20:56
MohammadAGsuppose I have:20:56
MohammadAG      string "general"20:56
MohammadAG      string "silent"20:56
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MohammadAGhow do I get the text between the ""20:56
MohammadAGso I can get general\nsilent20:56
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Ford_PrefectMohammadAG: in bash?20:58
MohammadAGwell, sh20:58
MohammadAGI was thinking awk, but idk the first thing about it20:58
Ford_Prefect... | cut -f 2 -d '"' is one way20:58
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MohammadAGhmm, sure?21:00
MohammadAGmohammad@mohammad-laptop:~$ echo "       string "general"21:00
MohammadAG       string "silent"" |  cut -f 2 -d '"'21:00
MohammadAG       string general21:00
MohammadAG       string silent21:00
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Ford_PrefectChange that echo so the first and last " are '21:01
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DocScrutinizer[2010-08-12 02:27:42] <DocScrutinizer> I'd suggest a >>apt-get install $(apt-cache search microb|grep " - "|cut -f 1 -d " ") --purge --reinstall21:02
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jophishis it possible to add another user under maemo?21:04
Ford_Prefectcut \m/21:04
Stskeepshmm, how many mb/s is the mmcs supposed to pull generally?21:04
DocScrutinizererr 11 ?21:05
DocScrutinizerdon't quote me on that21:05
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DocScrutinizerspeedevil or ShadowJK or cehteh might know better21:06
* Stskeeps ponders idly why i/o utilization on his bootchart shows 52 mb/s then21:07
jacekowskimore than 1121:08
jacekowskii had like 15M/s write21:08
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jacekowskiso it has to do more in read21:08
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lcuk[MeeGo-dev] Making meego fast - quick tests and lots of input needed
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E0xhow i can do something like this in python : for i = 1 o 521:14
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E0x( vb :D )21:14
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baraujoE0x, for i in range(1,6)21:14
baraujoE0x, for i in range(1,6):21:15
DocScrutinizer51making meego fast? simple: make maemo fast, then port to meego21:15
E0xi try that but i got a error , but i think is because the last number is inside of var21:15
E0xand say something about that get a float type21:15
keriorange(x) is 0...x-121:15
keriorange(a, b) is a...b-121:15
SpeedEvilWho was playing with the sound subsystem 'directly'.21:15
SpeedEvilI forget.21:16
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keriowell, it returns an iterator that's iterated through by for21:17
lcukDocScrutinizer51, indeed21:17
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lcuklots of things run well now21:17
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trumeeguys, anybody knows what  micro sdhc plus is?
lcukmeego, not so much from what I see21:17
kerioa range() object21:18
kerioin python321:18
trumeeThe card above is a samsung 8 gb class 6 card, but micro sdhc plus is scaring me off. will it work with N900?21:18
trumeehere it is
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trumee15 mm by 11mm by 1mm, is that microsdhc?21:19
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crashanddietrumee: eh?21:20
trumeewill that fit into N900?21:20
crashanddietrumee: if it says microSD, it'll fit21:20
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trumeecrashanddie: what is micro sdhc plus?21:20
jacekowskibtw. do we know who's manufacturing rapuyama?21:21
crashanddietrumee: marketing21:21
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trumeecrashanddie: thanks21:22
DocScrutinizer51jacekowski: TI?21:23
crashanddietrumee: if you buy it in a B&M shop, ask the salesman for confirmation, in case it doesn't work you can exchange it21:24
jacekowskiis that official info or just assumption?21:24
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DocScrutinizer51semi official assumption, as a TI engineer was involved in chip development21:28
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SpeedEvilIt looked like a TI/nokia project.21:30
SpeedEvilSomewhat at least in-house for nokia21:30
jacekowskiwell, it uses same code signing as other ti chips but is it just maybe licensed technology21:31
SpeedEvilsee that21:31
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jacekowskiwell, it looks like nokia is quite big client for ti21:34
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jacekowski-  "Nokia Business Unit Architecture Department"21:34
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VDVsxRST38h, still in mordor or the situation is better now ? :P21:45
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timelessDocScrutinizer: there might be a flashblock, flashclicktoplay, or noscript21:49
timelessany of them should work21:49
lcuktimeless, i never asked - the thing that needs kicking needs kicking21:50
lcukI will remind you daytime tomorrow21:50
DocScrutinizer51timeless: mm k, was more of a suggestion rather than a question21:50
timelesslcuk: yeah, your timing sucks :)21:51
timelessbut you can use the other thing for pinging since it hits my phone directly21:51
lcukI tried earlier21:51
lcukand frals is crap at passing on messages ;)21:51
timelessdoc: um... microb is a dead end21:51
timelessand the future product already supports at least noscript21:51
timelessso as suggestions go, i don't see it going anywhere else21:52
timelessno need21:52
lcukit would be nice to get flashblock there21:52
* lcuk has a stake in that21:52
lcukwell, a code fix at any rate21:52
lcukawesome url21:52
lcuki know its on microb21:53
lcukbut I meant on future thing as you just mentioned :P21:53
timelesshrm, flashblock hasn't been ported to fennec?21:53
DocScrutinizertimeless: this is about a hotfix bandaid to cope with the adobe flash vulnerability threat21:53
timelesswell.. tell someone to get hoping21:53
lcuki dunno21:53
lcuki didnt know thats what you were implying21:54
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CorsacDocScrutinizer: not sure nokia actually cares about security updates for fremantle22:06
DocScrutinizerthey damn better did, it's not something a company can afford to gamble with22:07
keriodoes nokia care about a broken usb port?22:07
CorsacDocScrutinizer: as if they cared about old, dumb phones22:07
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keriodoes nokia care care about a broken usb port?22:08
CorsacDocScrutinizer: think about all the flawed bluetooth stacks which were never patched22:08
keriowho uses those22:08
Corsackerio: a lot of people22:08
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keriothose lot of people should learn to turn the bluetooth off22:09
Corsackerio: that's a workaround, sure22:09
DocScrutinizerthat's exactly the rationale to consider this a minor threat22:09
keriobut they're idiots who bought a smartphone to be cool, so...22:09
Corsackerio: but some people actually use bluetooth :)22:09
Corsackerio: I didn't talk about smartphones22:09
Corsaca lot of dumb phones have bluetooth22:10
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DocScrutinizerstill BT vuln isn't a distance problem22:10
DocScrutinizerflash vuln over IP is though22:10
DocScrutinizerdiff like a sling to a nuklear device22:11
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MohammadAGjacekowski, what was the sys/procnode that used to test all 3 LEDs?22:18
MohammadAGI remember you asked us to cat it22:18
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alteregoIs it possible, in QML to do something like: "width: parent.width / parent.children.length()" ?22:52
alteregoBasically, how can I get the length of parent.children list ? @_22:52
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TomaszDok, this I didn't know
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E0xwhat i need restart for get update the widget list ?23:12
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lcukTomaszD, hehe23:13
keriowhat *do* i need *to* restart *to* update the widget list23:13
lcukalterego, not sure, wouldn't that need the same sort of thing as html?  ie a javascript block!23:13
alteregolcuk: that's sort of what I was thinking23:13
lcuk*kerio* *I* *don't* *know* *which* *list* *you* *mean*23:13
alteregoI suppose I can stick it in an onload initialization func23:14
alteregoI think he's talking about Qt Creator23:14
alteregoIn which case, yes :)23:14
keriolcuk: read more scrollback23:15
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lcukE0x, same question :P23:16
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E0xhehe sorry23:20
E0xthe list of available widget23:20
E0xwhen you go to add one23:20
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DocScrutinizerMohammadAG51: what? test all 3 LEDs?23:47
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DocScrutinizerkerio: clear proof of E0x's pidgin is better than your English :-P23:50
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DocScrutinizerkerio: when 9 pidgin speakers and 1 native english speaker join in a conference, then in the end 10 people go away with a clear idea about the points of 9 of the 10 people :-D (sic!)23:53
kerioDocScrutinizer: i'm not a native english speaker23:53
kerioi'm italian23:53
kerioborn in italy, living in italy23:54
DocScrutinizerthe point holds true nevertheless23:54
keriohold *this* point23:54
DocScrutinizerand I never stated you'd be a *native* englsih speaker23:54
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tremnite all, sweet dreams23:57
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