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| kwtm | hi. reading this in tiny font on n900. Need help: error importing Python modules when I run Python script. Which directory are they in, on N900? | 00:12 |
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| pigeon | is there a media/music player on the n900 that can do id3 tag (mp3) editing? | 04:33 |
| Macer | fmms is pretty good :) | 04:33 |
| Macer | or should i say it works at least | 04:34 |
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| pigeon | ah, mussorgsky can do what i need. | 04:42 |
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| pigeon | and it supports album art grabbing from the net too, cool | 04:44 |
| pigeon | mussorgsky++ | 04:45 |
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| GAN900 | Really? http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=60131 | 07:23 |
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| RST38h | Hehe | 07:23 |
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| TermanaN900 | Someone blames Symbian for the mistakes of maemo | 07:28 |
| * RST38h yawns: people tend to blame (and get offended) by wrong things | 07:29 | |
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| RST38h | The original guy who created the poll did not try blaming council for anything. He simply questioned council's relevancy | 07:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer | moo | 07:47 |
| Stskeeps | wow, tmo really went downhill after last night | 07:47 |
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| RST38h | moo Doc | 07:48 |
| RST38h | Sts: last night? really? :) | 07:48 |
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| Stskeeps | RST38h: the bye bye nokia thread makes for ample entertainment | 07:49 |
| TermanaN900 | Stskeeps: Tmo has been down hill for a long time :P | 07:50 |
| TermanaN900 | The thread may have given it a push | 07:50 |
| RST38h | Sts: I should start ordering popcorn via the Net. | 07:50 |
| RST38h | Sts: It is especially entertaining to keep track of the join dates ;) | 07:51 |
| konfoo | heh - 'how impotent this structure is' | 07:51 |
| konfoo | good ole tmo | 07:51 |
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| konfoo | spewing sewage at every opportunity | 07:51 |
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| RST38h | Sts: "How can I disable screen rotation animation? (Feb 2010) -- You cannot do it in Maemo5, if you do it, it will break your phone. (Aug 2010)" | 07:53 |
| TermanaN900 | Break :P heh | 07:54 |
| RST38h | ok, ttg | 07:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer | damn, no more microwave popcorn :-S | 08:10 |
| GAN900 | silvermountain is damn good at putting one in a good mood. | 08:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | lol | 08:11 |
| GAN900 | TermanaN900, Symbian HAS hurt Maemo | 08:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | leme edit that | 08:11 |
| GAN900 | At the management level | 08:11 |
| TermanaN900 | GAN900: im listening | 08:12 |
| TermanaN900 | Tell me how symbian itself made this happen | 08:13 |
| GAN900 | TermanaN900, Symbian as a product takes resources and focus away from Maemo. | 08:13 |
| GAN900 | If Symbian didn't exist, or the dinosaurs in management weren't just that then Maemo could've been where it is today 2 years ago. | 08:14 |
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| GAN900 | Why was the N900 dropped like a rock? Why is Maemo 5 a flaky piece of shit? Because Symbian exists. | 08:14 |
| GAN900 | It comes down to management and its attitudes. | 08:15 |
| GAN900 | Take those away (or change them) and you have real opportunity to succeed. | 08:15 |
| GAN900 | Otherwise you end up here. | 08:16 |
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| hatake_kakashi | symbian is a piece of fail, which is why nokia dropped it out of N series | 08:17 |
| hatake_kakashi | apart from n8 which will be the last shitian to bear N series marking | 08:18 |
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| TermanaN900 | Here is what exactly? I dont know about you, but here for me is getting MeeGo thanks to Nokia paying a team to do it and here is also having Android if MeeGo bums out | 08:18 |
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| TermanaN900 | Here is ok for me. Not perfect but ok | 08:18 |
| GAN900 | Here is years behind where it should be | 08:20 |
| hatake_kakashi | if I wanted a police state OS on a phone I don't need to look for shitty symbian, I'd look for apple iOS, blackberry, win mobile, etc | 08:20 |
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| GAN900 | Here is repeatedly pissing in the faces of you staunchest supports and LOYAL customers | 08:20 |
| GAN900 | Here is delivering a platform is unstable, underfeatured, and generally not competitive in the market. | 08:21 |
| GAN900 | Here is having the core of your community come apart not once, but THREE times over the course of five years | 08:22 |
| hatake_kakashi | the maemo platform was not really particularly aiming at the mainstream market, its aimed at users who know what they want out of it not some idiot who thinks the device can do literally everything | 08:22 |
| GAN900 | and only managing to continue on thanks to there being no other viable options in the market. | 08:22 |
| hatake_kakashi | and symbian has been epically closed since the dawn of time until they managed to open their asses to the market | 08:23 |
| Stskeeps | you know, i'm starting to think that the moment language like 'pissing on it's customers' came instead of collaboration to make things happen, was the moment maemo.org lost it's ways. it's hard collaborating with people who's initial stance is that nokia is a big evil monolith. when in fact, it's mostly structured out of open source developers (from maemo side) | 08:23 |
| GAN900 | hatake_kakashi, a fault of management. | 08:23 |
| GAN900 | Stskeeps, management has made that impossible. | 08:23 |
| hatake_kakashi | GAN900, a fault of management is only because of nokia, not because of maemo.. maemo is just a software platform | 08:23 |
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| GAN900 | It's awfully hard to continue investing energy in collaboration when management does everything it can to make it painful and unrewarding. | 08:24 |
| GAN900 | Good people work for a lot of broken and bad organizations | 08:24 |
| lpotter | hmmm... ever hear about open governance? | 08:25 |
| GAN900 | It doesn't excuse those organizations. | 08:25 |
| hatake_kakashi | it happens, its not an ideal world we live in.. if you want that you can dream of utopia | 08:25 |
| GAN900 | hatake_kakashi, trust me I get it. | 08:25 |
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| net_split | *wraghs* i'm getting nuts... | 08:29 |
| Wolfie | mhusj35u | 08:29 |
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| net_split | how the **** can i get the monitor mode and injections working on n900.... | 08:31 |
| Wolfie | damn cat | 08:31 |
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| hatake_kakashi | monitor mode = titan's power kernel.. injection = not available | 08:31 |
| hatake_kakashi | correction, its available, when neopwn2 comes out | 08:32 |
| net_split | apparently injection can work | 08:32 |
| hatake_kakashi | read above ^ ^ ^ | 08:32 |
| net_split | i do. i do | 08:32 |
| net_split | http://406notacceptable.com/guides/aircrack-on-the-n900/ | 08:32 |
| hatake_kakashi | and that's just a blog about rfmon | 08:33 |
| net_split | rfmon? | 08:33 |
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| hatake_kakashi | rfmon = monitor mode | 08:33 |
| net_split | but why does aireplay -9 work? | 08:34 |
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| net_split | as far as i see on the related screenshots injection is working | 08:35 |
| hatake_kakashi | they're not working on the current version (PR1.2) test for yourself and see | 08:36 |
| net_split | i did. thats why i asked | 08:37 |
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| net_split | ok. i see... the post is from 2009 | 08:37 |
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| hatake_kakashi | so my view remains true :p monitor/rfmon = titan's power kernel, injection = neopwnv2 | 08:46 |
| net_split | yes. thanks | 08:47 |
| net_split | monitor mode is working with titans power kernel now | 08:47 |
| net_split | still wondering why injection was possible in previous versions | 08:47 |
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| Stskeeps | morn wazd | 08:50 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: heya :) | 08:50 |
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| luke-jr | Stskeeps: how can I get battery info? :P | 08:53 |
| luke-jr | /sys/class/power_supply is always an empty dir | 08:53 |
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| Stskeeps | luke-jr: usual problem re battery stuff | 08:54 |
| luke-jr | …? | 08:54 |
| luke-jr | everything Google finds is success | 08:55 |
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| ds3 | 7 | 08:57 |
| Stskeeps | luke-jr: bme | 08:58 |
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| Texrat | any popcorn left? | 09:02 |
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| Texrat | scratch that-- anyone awake? | 09:03 |
| Stskeeps | Texrat: morn dude | 09:03 |
| Texrat | ;) | 09:03 |
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| Texrat | feeling all cathartic now | 09:03 |
| X-Fade | Morning | 09:03 |
| Texrat | hey X-Fade | 09:03 |
| Stskeeps | another day of work ahead for me - fixing rotation/portrait issue in meego, testing out data connectivity over gpr | 09:03 |
| Stskeeps | s | 09:03 |
| Texrat | you are the man stskeeps | 09:03 |
| frals | oh, that reminds me.. i should probably go to work soon | 09:04 |
| Stskeeps | and headdesking over tmo, it seems like | 09:04 |
| Texrat | lol | 09:04 |
| Texrat | sorry for goign overboard | 09:04 |
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| Texrat | feeling a bit hyper after applying for another job today | 09:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | lo Texrat | 09:04 |
| X-Fade | Working on community OBS over 3G today it seems, always interesting ;) | 09:05 |
| Texrat | lo DocScrutinizer | 09:05 |
| Texrat | GAN900 leave? | 09:05 |
| frals | Texrat: noticed on my twitterfeed, crossing fingers for you (and for decreased spam on my twitterfeed from you ;-)) | 09:05 |
| Stskeeps | Texrat: thanks for the meego greeters stuff - looks great so far | 09:05 |
| Texrat | thanks frals. Thank God people at work don't twitter | 09:05 |
| GAN900 | Texrat, almost dead. | 09:05 |
| ds3 | hey frals | 09:06 |
| Texrat | awesome. let's finish GAN900 off | 09:06 |
| X-Fade | GAN900: Sleep is for the weak? :) | 09:06 |
| ds3 | has there been any reports of fmms breakage on TMO? | 09:06 |
| frals | ds3: uh, not that ive seen.. breakage how? | 09:06 |
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| Texrat | wait: this instead: http://www.flickr.com/photos/ollym/4866376372/ | 09:06 |
| GAN900 | Overslept yesterday | 09:06 |
| Texrat | hey danielwilms | 09:07 |
| Texrat | what is this 'sleep' thing | 09:07 |
| ds3 | frals: donno... I just noticed a few days ago that the autoconverted messages for TMO seems to never get received | 09:07 |
| Texrat | thanks stskeeps re Greeters | 09:07 |
| Texrat | glad it's becomign relevant | 09:07 |
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| GAN900 | silvermountain's thread put me in a mood not conducive to sleep. | 09:07 |
| ds3 | frals: trying to figure out if it is a known breakage or if it is the power user kernel or if something else amiss | 09:07 |
| danielwilms | Texrat: morning | 09:07 |
| frals | ds3: dont think i follow what you mean | 09:08 |
| mece | OMG Texrat | 09:08 |
| * mece runs | 09:08 | |
| Texrat | OMG mece | 09:08 |
| mece | :D | 09:08 |
| * Texrat runs after | 09:08 | |
| * Texrat brandishes +20 sword of instant annhilation | 09:08 | |
| frals | crap, the two biggest spammers in my twitterfeed in irc at the same time... this aint gonna end well | 09:08 |
| ds3 | frals: TMO automatically converts SMS to MMS under certain conditions... I don't seem to receive teh MMS messages anymore if they meet the conversion conditions | 09:08 |
| * Texrat swings | 09:08 | |
| ds3 | frals: so I am trying to trouble shoot. I did change out my kernel for the mobilehotspot app but last i checked, that didn't matter | 09:09 |
| * mece ducks | 09:09 | |
| frals | ds3: uh, dunno.. does anything show up in /tmp/fmms.log? | 09:09 |
| slonopotamus | if something ducks like a duck, it's definitely mece | 09:09 |
| frals | ds3: it should say something like "sms push received" and some debugging info after that whenever a mms notification is recvd, if it doesnt show up there chances are the mms never makes it to the phone | 09:09 |
| Texrat | I was aiming to quack his skull | 09:10 |
| mece | lol | 09:10 |
| frals | (or something in your new kernel breaks /sbin/wappushd) | 09:10 |
| mece | sooo.. what's new and exciting? | 09:10 |
| ds3 | ah, yes, I see that | 09:10 |
| Texrat | tmo wars! | 09:10 |
| Texrat | it's vogue now to hate on the council | 09:10 |
| Texrat | if I' going to be a despised politician, dammit, I want the bribes and women too! | 09:11 |
| ds3 | those were from failed sends... | 09:11 |
| ds3 | let me send a test. | 09:11 |
| mece | texrat, well it's just people who have never clicked any other link up there than the "TALK" link, so who cares? | 09:12 |
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| ds3 | sigh... the test message works | 09:12 |
| ds3 | I'll watch fmms.log next time | 09:13 |
| mece | unless you count qwerty's emo quit | 09:13 |
| Texrat | qwerty's emo quit was almost epic | 09:14 |
| Texrat | just laxked... something | 09:14 |
| Texrat | lacked too | 09:14 |
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| Stskeeps | why does people seem to think his rant included a lash out against you, texrat? well, except for the council in general | 09:15 |
| Texrat | it did stskeeps | 09:16 |
| Texrat | mayeb he disguised it well though | 09:16 |
| Stskeeps | did you ever wikipedia benedict arnold? | 09:16 |
| Texrat | that wasn't just it | 09:16 |
| Texrat | I knew who Benedict was anyway-- funny thing is that's not my true last name. Stepdad's ;) | 09:17 |
| * DocScrutinizer sneaks over a suitcase of virtual credits to Texrat - written 'BRIBE' on it in BIG RED letters | 09:17 | |
| Texrat | qwerty had some other dig at me... forget it offhand. I was more pissed that he slammed attila77, et al | 09:17 |
| Texrat | who would slam attila77? seriously | 09:18 |
| Texrat | If I was a woman I would have Attila's baby. What a freaking genius it would be | 09:19 |
| * Stskeeps shrugs and gets on with work, too busy for politics | 09:19 | |
| Texrat | ;) | 09:19 |
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| mece | Stskeeps, we were actually talking about the cauncil.. (a bit late answer, I know) | 09:21 |
| mece | s/cauncil/council/ | 09:21 |
| infobot | mece meant: Stskeeps, we were actually talking about the council.. (a bit late answer, I know) | 09:21 |
| Texrat | Jaffa just added a very thoughtful post to the discussion at tmo | 09:23 |
| Texrat | to balance out my bitching at silvermountain | 09:23 |
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| Texrat | word out to all Maemo/MeeGo developers and infrastructure supporters: THANK YOU! | 09:26 |
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| Stskeeps | i still maintain the giraffe phases are in full swing | 09:27 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 09:27 |
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| luke-jr | Stskeeps: what does BME have to do with sysfs? | 09:34 |
| Stskeeps | luke-jr: well, there's no kernel interface for battery info then | 09:34 |
| luke-jr | … | 09:34 |
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| luke-jr | and of course BME doesn't run w/o a bunch of ridiculous deps | 09:37 |
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| Stskeeps | your view of a ridicolous dep is gconf | 09:39 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 09:39 |
| luke-jr | of course, gconf is ridiculous | 09:39 |
| luke-jr | it's part of GNOME proper | 09:40 |
| luke-jr | I don't want that crap on my system | 09:40 |
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| luke-jr | Stskeeps: I see nothing in drivers/power/bq27x00_battery.c suggesting BME is needed | 09:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: (giraffe) My take on it: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=782506#post782506 | 09:45 |
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| DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: bme and sysfs are 2 separate things | 09:46 |
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| luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: Stskeeps just implicated BME :p | 09:46 |
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| luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: so any idea how to get sysfs to work? | 09:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | sure, write decent drivers for bq27200, and of course for the generic battery/power sysnodes | 09:47 |
| luke-jr | what about bq27x00_battery? | 09:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | sorry, not completely awake yet. Dunno about bq27x00_battery | 09:48 |
| luke-jr | and I'm falling asleep | 09:48 |
| luke-jr | x.x | 09:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | just know there's a rather rudimentary bq27200 sysnode driver in power kernel | 09:49 |
| luke-jr | presumably the same one I'm talking about that doesn't do anything | 09:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | and seem to recall the power/battery sysnodes are borked or missing completely | 09:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer | general notion sems to be userland must not access sysnodes (debatably) and this has to go to hal. OTOH I heard hal is dead | 09:50 |
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| hatake_kakashi | yeah old news, xorg1.8 is already HAL-free | 09:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer | so actually we face some problem here, as there is *no* kernel part of bme (despite some say there is) - afaik - and otoh probably jrbme should create those sysnodes to deliver prover figures about charge state of battery etc, and also to control charging mode, boost mode etc. but then jrbme is clearly a userland project | 09:56 |
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| Stskeeps | couldn't jrbme technically be a kernel driver though? | 09:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | sure could | 09:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's just getting much more ambitious | 09:58 |
| Jaffa | Morning, all | 09:58 |
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| DocScrutinizer | replacing hal-addon-bme by hal-addon-jrbme for sure is much easier | 09:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | moo Jaffa | 09:58 |
| Wolfie | this should be interesting enough for the people around here to warrant a paste: http://wolfie.github.com/2010/08/10/unconventional-typing.html | 09:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer | though arguably all those hal-addon-* are botches | 09:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer | for anybody interested in it: look at OM and how it's done there - same bq27000 chip (just in battery where it belongs) and kernel driver reading out that chip and creating some standard conforming sysnodes for it | 10:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | the driver for dumb GTA01 battery is just replacing the bq27000 parts by some rather cute guesswork paulfertser implemented | 10:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | aiui hal is reading these sysnodes to present the notorious lines in lshal | 10:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | but that would mean we need to fix hal-addon-bme to do the right thing (reading sysnodes) rather than talking to hal on bme's behalf. Or we fix hal itself | 10:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | too much before my 2nd yet to have coffee kicks in | 10:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer | and in general... | 10:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~batteryfaq | 10:09 |
| infobot | batteryfaq is probably http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Battery_Questions_and_Answers | 10:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | once more :-D | 10:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | also tangents that topic | 10:10 |
| Jaffa | Ha. In my response to silvermountain's "Nokia representative in the forum" I've got a Thanks for Peter :-) | 10:10 |
| mece | Nice! | 10:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Battery_Questions_and_Answers#So.2C_how_do_i_use_.22dumb.22_batteries_with_my_freerunner.3F ff | 10:12 |
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| mece | Jaffa, I like how mmurfin87 proved your point :D | 10:14 |
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| Jaffa | mece: Without even knowing it :) | 10:15 |
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| mece | Jaffa, also "How important am I to the Council and the community at large?" made me LOL | 10:16 |
| mece | oh noes! abill_uk is viewing the thread! RUN! | 10:16 |
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| * achipa runs to the hills | 10:24 | |
| * achipa realizes the nearest hills are about 130km away | 10:24 | |
| DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: (kernel jrbme) as soon as paul fertser gets his developers device, I'm rather sure, with a *little* help from nokia regarding requirement specs for BL-5J charging management, we will see a devent kernel drive in almost no time | 10:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | decent even | 10:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | and driver | 10:25 |
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| timeless | anyone here familiar w/ hkl's transit cards? | 10:39 |
| mece | hey does qml work on N900? | 10:39 |
| timeless | i think i accidentally told it i'm a child | 10:39 |
| timeless | how do i tell it to stop? | 10:39 |
| * mece just saw a demo and dropped his jaw | 10:39 | |
| timeless | mece: what kind of question is that? | 10:39 |
| timeless | qml is presumably parsed by qt4.6+'s xml parser | 10:40 |
| mece | timeless, so... yes? | 10:40 |
| timeless | which presumably makes it into some useful dom | 10:40 |
| timeless | and does things the same way qt would on any other platform.. | 10:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | hkl? | 10:41 |
| timeless | helsinki transit | 10:41 |
| mece | timeless, umm..k. righty-o. Well, that does sound like... Well it sounds like victory | 10:41 |
| timeless | hrm, this n900's running low on power | 10:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | timeless: cought in a driverless taxi and autopilot doesn't accept your requests as you answered "I'm under 14" ? | 10:42 |
| timeless | on a train | 10:42 |
| timeless | and i've now paid 2x 1.70eur instead of 1x 2.50eur | 10:42 |
| fragment | timeless: just stop talking to the card and you'll be fine | 10:42 |
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| DocScrutinizer | timeless: you have to silently sit and wait until it stps for recharge :-P | 10:42 |
| timeless | fragment: how long do i have to do that? | 10:43 |
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| mece | is there no cancel button on that thing? | 10:43 |
| timeless | there are four buttons | 10:43 |
| timeless | L 1 2 3 | 10:43 |
| fragment | timeless: that is the range, not "child/adult" | 10:44 |
| timeless | well, sometimes there's a 0 | 10:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | timeless: then when it stops you kick the autopilot to oblivion and break a windhield to get out of it | 10:44 |
| * timeless offers docs anS | 10:44 | |
| Stskeeps | timeless: isn't there a time difference in the ticket price? | 10:44 |
| timeless | trade me a space for it? | 10:44 |
| Stskeeps | like, rush hour vs not | 10:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | windShiled | 10:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | fsack | 10:45 |
| fragment | timeless: where are you going to and from? | 10:45 |
| timeless | sts: please forgive me for not having a clue | 10:45 |
| * DocScrutinizer stops that ... | 10:45 | |
| timeless | central railway | 10:45 |
| timeless | helsinki immigration police | 10:45 |
| timeless | via a K train, i think | 10:45 |
| fragment | timeless: if you are travelling only inside helsinki, always use 1 | 10:45 |
| fragment | timeless: if you go from espoo to helsinki for example, use 2 | 10:46 |
| timeless | fragment: yeah yeah | 10:46 |
| timeless | but how do i undo L? | 10:46 |
| timeless | the 1 part i know, but i accidentally hit L | 10:46 |
| timeless | and now it's treating me like a child | 10:46 |
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| timeless | or a pair of children | 10:46 |
| timeless | ah, conductor person | 10:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | hello you two :-D | 10:46 |
| timeless | brb | 10:46 |
| mece | timeless, cry halp :D | 10:46 |
| fragment | timeless: the L area is espoo/vantaa/whatever but not helsinki | 10:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | lol | 10:47 |
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| timeless | conductor useless | 10:48 |
| fragment | timeless: :D | 10:48 |
| mece | *sigh* | 10:48 |
| timeless | mece: my thoughts exactly | 10:48 |
| timeless | fragment: i know what L0123 do | 10:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | timeless: you simply have to pass future controls in two halves ;-D | 10:49 |
| timeless | what i don't know is how to get the card to *forget* L | 10:49 |
| fragment | timeless: well, I'm not sure if you can cancel it, you could try pressing 1 but it might charge you again | 10:49 |
| Stskeeps | override it? | 10:49 |
| timeless | it did charge me again | 10:49 |
| timeless | as i said, i'm now *two* children | 10:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | hit the hige [C] button? | 10:49 |
| fragment | timeless: or just forget it and act like a tourist if a conductor asks ;D | 10:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer | huge | 10:50 |
| timeless | right | 10:50 |
| timeless | off to see the police | 10:50 |
| mece | timeless, install the latest meego snapshot on it, then write a program that removes the L and run it. As root. | 10:50 |
| fragment | yes. | 10:50 |
| timeless | right, because these boxes are unlocked and don't require signed firmware | 10:51 |
| timeless | hrm "where am i?" | 10:51 |
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| mece | I think you'll do best with the vehicle entertainment version of meego, since you're in a vehicle, and we're entertained. | 10:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | >>don't IRC and drive<< | 10:52 |
| mece | DocScrutinizer, I don't think timeless is actually driving the train. | 10:52 |
| fragment | why not | 10:52 |
| timeless | i don't have a driver's license | 10:53 |
| mece | fragment, ^^ | 10:53 |
| timeless | besides, the train just left the station without me | 10:53 |
| * timeless climbs stairs | 10:53 | |
| DocScrutinizer | :-/ | 10:53 |
| timeless | well, it's a good thing | 10:53 |
| mece | so.. did you miss it or get to the station before you got things sorted? | 10:53 |
| mece | ah, ok :) | 10:54 |
| * DocScrutinizer feels like participating in a MUD | 10:54 | |
| timeless | @dest | 10:54 |
| fragment | :D | 10:54 |
| timeless | they don't always check tickets | 10:54 |
| timeless | but the fine is 40 or 80 eur, i can't recall | 10:54 |
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| mece | I got fined in Norway once, because the train forgot to stop at my station, so I had to take another train back, and it was outside my zone. I yelled at the guy fining me a little. Also wrote an angry letter and didn't pay anything. | 10:55 |
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| timeless | neat | 10:56 |
| timeless | i overshot in paris like that | 10:56 |
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| timeless | and then i realized i had an interrail ass which i think covered uit | 10:56 |
| fragment | mece: and now you're banned from norway?:) | 10:56 |
| timeless | so i had been wasting money buying tickets | 10:56 |
| timeless | @final dest | 10:57 |
| timeless | enter queue of doom | 10:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | timeless: inventory | 10:57 |
| mece | fragment, no, my angry letter was so angry that they waived the fine. | 10:57 |
| fragment | nice | 10:57 |
| timeless | 1 charged n900 | 10:57 |
| kerio | i vote jrbme becomes a kernel driver | 10:58 |
| timeless | 1 nearly empty n900 | 10:58 |
| timeless | 1 mbp | 10:58 |
| timeless | 1 heavy laptop enabled backpack | 10:58 |
| timeless | 1 usb card reader | 10:58 |
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| timeless | 2 usb sticks | 10:58 |
| kerio | my wallcharger broke :( | 10:58 |
| timeless | 1 wallet | 10:58 |
| crashanddie | timeless: no smartcard readers? | 10:58 |
| timeless | 0 wall chargers | 10:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | kerio: mine as well | 10:59 |
| crashanddie | err, no smartcards to go with the reader | 10:59 |
| crashanddie | ? | 10:59 |
| LiraNuna | hey guys, anyone knows what "usb_bulk_write: Resource temporarily unavailable" means? | 10:59 |
| kerio | once i get back home i'll send everything to nokia | 10:59 |
| timeless | 4 in wallet, 1 in reader | 10:59 |
| LiraNuna | I'm trying to send the meego kernel to my N900 | 10:59 |
| fragment | btw here is a demo for the N900: http://download.hedelmae.fi/derelict.zip | 10:59 |
| LiraNuna | here's a full output -> http://pastie.org/private/evktu7tvt24n7kvg3uasfa | 10:59 |
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| timeless | the one in reader has an unknown passphrase | 10:59 |
| timeless | which is somewhat problematic :o | 10:59 |
| crashanddie | timeless: just bin it | 11:00 |
| timeless | if not at least fairly useless | 11:00 |
| kerio | halfbroken vibra, broken red led, broken wallcharger... | 11:00 |
| crashanddie | timeless: well, unless you have the master key | 11:00 |
| kerio | that should be enough for a full substitution, right? | 11:00 |
| crashanddie | timeless: if you have the master key, you can send the needed APDUs to kill the APP and USER ROM | 11:00 |
| timeless | kerio: my real n900 has a broken top frame | 11:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer | kerio: maybe | 11:01 |
| kerio | hmm, i need to find more problems | 11:01 |
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| kerio | my screen is scratched | 11:01 |
| timeless | crashanddie: are these things i can likely find easily on an inactive w7 partition? | 11:01 |
| crashanddie | timeless: no | 11:01 |
| crashanddie | timeless: you need specific tools, specific codes | 11:01 |
| timeless | heh | 11:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | kerio: scratched screen doesn't help | 11:02 |
| timeless | the person sitting next to me has been here for probably gt5mins | 11:02 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer: i know, but i need a replace :) | 11:02 |
| timeless | she finally leans across the table to the person across | 11:02 |
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| crashanddie | timeless: the tool, I may happen to, I dunno, dump it on an FTP and mistakenly dump you the link to it, you know, by accident | 11:03 |
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| timeless | it seems they know eachother quite well | 11:03 |
| crashanddie | timeless: the codes, depends on the model and vendor of smartcard | 11:03 |
| kerio | hmm... internal battery doesn't hold a charge | 11:03 |
| timeless | is that something one can determine from the printed bits on the card? | 11:03 |
| crashanddie | yeah, on the side where the magstrip is, either top right or lower left | 11:03 |
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| timeless | kinda long | 11:04 |
| crashanddie | well, you can also get the model and vendor using specific APDUs, but you need the tools first :P | 11:04 |
| crashanddie | timeless: gimme the 5 last numbers/letters | 11:04 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer: red led is MIA, vibra gets stuck often, internal battery can't hold a charge, wallcharger is broken, and let's also say the battery life feels shorter | 11:05 |
| kerio | is that enough? | 11:05 |
| * DocScrutinizer shrugs | 11:05 | |
| DocScrutinizer | for me it'd be, dunno about your dealer | 11:05 |
| kerio | my dealer? | 11:06 |
| kerio | nokia | 11:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | then I guess sou'll get a repair, no full swap | 11:06 |
| kerio | :x | 11:06 |
| kerio | but my screen is scratched! | 11:07 |
| kerio | and by that i mean that it had some defects that have materialized as scratches | 11:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes, and you'll get everything new, except the scratched screen :-P | 11:07 |
| kerio | :( :( :( | 11:07 |
| timeless | low battery | 11:07 |
| * DocScrutinizer hit's "save game" | 11:08 | |
| DocScrutinizer | hits | 11:08 |
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| kerio | ok, what can i do to get a screen replace? | 11:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer | "computer! save scene "crashandie at station" to storage, and end program" | 11:09 |
| kerio | "the touchscreen sometimes feels unresponsive!" | 11:09 |
| kerio | i love that word, "sometimes" | 11:09 |
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| crashanddie | DocScrutinizer: we went to PM :P | 11:09 |
| crashanddie | DocScrutinizer: I'm thinking you would thoroughly enjoy working with smart cards | 11:10 |
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| albanc | barisione, lcuk, X-Fade : Monorail 0.4 is still not on extras-devel, although it was uploaded yesterday and I got the mail from "Maemo Extras Builder" saying it compiled fine | 11:11 |
| DuckBoot | OUCH: http://pastebin.com/GAxYw8yN | 11:11 |
| crashanddie | DocScrutinizer: if you're interested in going into infosec, I can get you a lunchtime meeting with previous colleagues of mine, there's a couple of offices in germany | 11:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer | crashanddie: there has to be a reason you quit | 11:12 |
| crashanddie | DocScrutinizer: yeah, they sent me to australia :P | 11:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | lol | 11:12 |
| hatake_kakashi | and? | 11:12 |
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| crashanddie | hatake_kakashi: I'm a european bloke, and gf lives in France, so I came back here | 11:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | crashanddie: anyway I might come back to you wrt that | 11:13 |
| hatake_kakashi | crashanddie, mmhmm ok | 11:13 |
| crashanddie | anytime | 11:13 |
| crashanddie | anyway, gotta get registered for social security, and the movers are finally delivering all my stuff from australia -- been living out of a suitcase for the past 8 months now | 11:13 |
| crashanddie | 'later | 11:14 |
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| timeless | iwoohoo, passport | 11:14 |
| timeless | i'm leg!! | 11:14 |
| * timeless trips twice walking out of office | 11:14 | |
| timeless | i'm legal! | 11:14 |
| timeless | low battery | 11:14 |
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| * timeless curses | 11:29 | |
| timeless | for a while i could use buzz from my n900 now it forces me to use gmail! | 11:29 |
| mece | WOW :D "put http://youtu.be/gJF9CWkeYlM in background and watch http://bit.ly/cSLeU1, start simultaneously." | 11:29 |
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| lardman | morning all | 11:32 |
| mece | mornin lardman | 11:33 |
| * timeless tries to get off the train at the wrong stop | 11:33 | |
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| lardman | timeless: the train wouldn't let you? ;) | 11:33 |
| lardman | hi mece | 11:33 |
| timeless | the station disagreed w/ my pattern recognizer | 11:34 |
| timeless | so i had to return to the train | 11:34 |
| BCMM | timeless: what'z buzz? | 11:34 |
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| * BCMM looks it up.... oh, google buzz? | 11:35 | |
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| timeless | buzz.google.com | 11:36 |
| BCMM | new PCs tend to be fairly good at USB booting don't they? | 11:36 |
| DuckBoot | lardman: Go all the way | 11:36 |
| BCMM | timeless: and they have some sort of user-agent identifier that goes "mobile browser! redirect to gmail"? | 11:36 |
| timeless | pcs from '05 tend to be good at usb booting | 11:36 |
| lardman | no idea, will find out soon enough ;) | 11:36 |
| timeless | bcmm: no | 11:36 |
| timeless | mobile browsers can use buzz.google.co | 11:36 |
| timeless | desktop browsers get mail.google | 11:36 |
| BCMM | timeless: so what stops you using it? | 11:37 |
| timeless | the n900 is a desktop browser | 11:37 |
| timeless | (again) | 11:37 |
| timeless | *sob* | 11:37 |
| timeless | sp3000 \. | 11:37 |
| lcuk | morning #maemo \o | 11:38 |
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| kerio | timeless: yeah but it runs on what is, arguably, a phone | 11:39 |
| lardman | hey lcuk | 11:39 |
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| lardman | lcuk: where's that liq* update? ;) | 11:39 |
| mece | timeless, try this then: www.google.com/mobile/buzz/ | 11:40 |
| lcuk | oh that yes, I have been a bit distracted with stuff | 11:41 |
| kerio | omg i got it - my screen has a couple of "light" spots | 11:41 |
| mece | timeless, no https://m.google.com/app/buzz?force=1 | 11:42 |
| kerio | they wouldn't switch just the cover, right? | 11:42 |
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| lardman | lcuk: me too, don't worry was just ribbing | 11:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | amazing - nobody wants to post where abill_uk did :-D | 11:42 |
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| mece | timeless, that works on my disektop firefox. | 11:42 |
| kerio | at that point they just give me a new n900 | 11:42 |
| lcuk | lardman, done some little tweaks to the makefile | 11:42 |
| lcuk | I think theres a mechanism to build happily for arm and x86 now :) | 11:43 |
| lcuk | without modification | 11:43 |
| lcuk | and MohammadAG51 threw a spanner in works by threatening to submit it to ubuntu | 11:43 |
| lcuk | he was playing with calendar on his 12" x86 tablet | 11:43 |
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| lardman | hmm, would be good on a larger screen actually | 11:44 |
| lcuk | it is | 11:44 |
| kerio | red led is MIA, vibra is stuck half the time, internal battery can't hold the time, screen has light spots, wallcharger doesn't work | 11:44 |
| lcuk | but my tablet broke for touch input so I stopped looking | 11:44 |
| lcuk | I just know it works ;) | 11:44 |
| lardman | kerio: I've got some of those light spots on my screen | 11:44 |
| mece | kerio, wow. Mine has a small scratch on the screen. That's it. | 11:45 |
| timeless | ok, turns out i'm wrong | 11:45 |
| * lcuk is getting fitted for my crown soon | 11:45 | |
| timeless | 1.70 is the regular fair | 11:45 |
| lardman | kept hoping they were just grot, but no, looks like something is a bit damaged - still works mind you | 11:45 |
| mece | timeless, I'm not sure what you actually asked for with the buzz btw.. | 11:45 |
| lardman | lcuk: hmm.... | 11:45 |
| mece | timeless, cheap | 11:45 |
| timeless | which means i was paying for two adults | 11:45 |
| BCMM | timeless: i know it's a firefox-based browser, but some browser detection scripts do have it's UA down as a mobile thing | 11:45 |
| * timeless = stupid | 11:45 | |
| lcuk | yeah lardman the other work is nearly done, spent last few months getting other issues sorted :) | 11:46 |
| timeless | bcmm: google had switched to marking us as mobile for a while for news | 11:46 |
| BCMM | timeless: i don't believe that there is a clear qualitative difference between a mobile and desktop browser (unless it's just a WAP browser of course) | 11:46 |
| timeless | recently they switched back to desktop | 11:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | timeless: lol | 11:46 |
| BCMM | timeless: for google search too | 11:46 |
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| kerio | i'd change the Ua | 11:47 |
| kerio | er | 11:47 |
| kerio | the UA | 11:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer | timeless: 1.70 for the fee, 1.70 for laughs and giggles | 11:47 |
| timeless | heh | 11:48 |
| BCMM | it is annoying when website have two versions and no way to manually choose between them | 11:48 |
| mece | teehee | 11:48 |
| mece | BCMM, very. | 11:48 |
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| timeless | today's going great.. | 11:48 |
| timeless | bcmm: indeed | 11:48 |
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| timeless | it's odd though | 11:48 |
| mece | timeless, we appreciate the entertainment though. | 11:48 |
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| Lynoure | timeless: that's easy, did that yesterday. =) | 11:48 |
| timeless | gmail lets you switch | 11:48 |
| timeless | mece: thanks | 11:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | timeless: (wrong station) again?? | 11:48 |
| BCMM | mece: especially on the n900, actually: sometimes you'll want the mobile version to read in portrait mode, sometimes you'll want the full version because it has more features and works fine | 11:48 |
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| timeless | glad someone benefited | 11:48 |
| BCMM | and the site will usually give you the opposite of what you want | 11:49 |
| Khertan | Hi ! | 11:49 |
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| BCMM | also, it's extremely annoying that the BBC doesn't have a mobile version of it's RSS feeds | 11:49 |
| mece | BCMM, exactly. It's nice to have the iphone version of sites sometimes, but there has to be a quick way to get to the proper site. | 11:49 |
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| mece | and vice versa. | 11:49 |
| timeless | docs: a few mins ago it was pasila instead of hel | 11:49 |
| timeless | this time kamppi instead of ruho | 11:49 |
| lcuk | timeless, when you do reach your correct station sit down and get a favorite $DRINK and start again | 11:49 |
| BCMM | yeah, and vice versa because sites often only recognise the n900 as a firefox derivative and give it the standard page | 11:50 |
| timeless | lcuk: that reminds me, i'm running low on tropicana | 11:50 |
| BCMM | of course, even better would be for people to stop manually specifying minimum widths in the desktop versions of things | 11:50 |
| BCMM | i use mobile version of stuff on my computer quite a lot just so as not to be forced to maximise everything | 11:50 |
| timeless | bcmm: yeah the detection logic is generally wrong | 11:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | timeless: btw I got a highlight on doc: but none on docs: | 11:51 |
| Khertan | Yeah and stop using css and image ... | 11:51 |
| timeless | doc: ok | 11:51 |
| BCMM | nothing wrong with css and images | 11:51 |
| BCMM | it's just making assumptions about width | 11:51 |
| * timeless can learn :o | 11:51 | |
| BCMM | which even on a desktop, can force you to maximise | 11:51 |
| BCMM | HTML is very good at dynamically reflowing text | 11:51 |
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| BCMM | images shouldn't be absolutely huge by default, for the same reason | 11:52 |
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| BCMM | a good example is wolfram alpha, which one might easily want in a small window while most of the screen is taken up by whatever you are working on that required it | 11:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | timeless: would be a nice feature to have a fast select option between different browser IDs | 11:52 |
| BCMM | i always use the mobile version on my desktop | 11:52 |
| timeless | doc: please find someone to make a site property plugin for fennec to do that | 11:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | for fenec?? | 11:54 |
| mece | Stskeeps, Nice work with the unstable image releases. Makes things more interesting for bystanders :) | 11:54 |
| * achipa dons tomato-proof protective gear | 11:54 | |
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| lcuk | indeed it does mece, removes half of the issues and lets people see/feel without being ubergods | 11:55 |
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| Stskeeps | mece: thanks - we are still setting up cronjobs. there won't be a weekly this week cos the images break in building phase (bug reports exist) | 11:55 |
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| lcuk | Stskeeps, one thing - could you mention to quim to perhaps alter his blog post | 11:57 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: in regards to? | 11:57 |
| lcuk | he mentions the 2gb limit and links to the instructions page below where the "perhaps use 4gb" | 11:57 |
| lcuk | and if user reads down only from where he linked | 11:57 |
| lcuk | .. | 11:57 |
| Stskeeps | it refers to the wiki page, so | 11:58 |
| lcuk | http://flors.wordpress.com/2010/08/10/running-meego-1-1-unstable-in-your-n900/ | 11:58 |
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| lcuk | 2. Install the raw image in a Micro-SD card of 2Gb or more (Linux and Windows instructions). | 11:58 |
| lcuk | good idea though, I moved the bit about size | 11:59 |
| Stskeeps | feel free to comment yourself on comments | 11:59 |
| lcuk | to where it would be shown | 11:59 |
| Ford_Prefect | BTW, that requires flashing a new kernel, right? | 12:00 |
| Stskeeps | Ford_Prefect: no, just loading it | 12:00 |
| * lardman pays attention as he was planning on trying this out | 12:00 | |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: i still maintain you managed to get a card of <2gb size ;) | 12:00 |
| Stskeeps | in either unit | 12:00 |
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| lcuk | Stskeeps, when I buy a 40gb hard drive, formatted size is not 40gb | 12:01 |
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| lardman | is there a problem with a 2Gb card? | 12:02 |
| Stskeeps | no, it's 40*1000^3 or something | 12:02 |
| Khertan | QObject::connect: Cannot queue arguments of type 'QVariant' << sniff | 12:02 |
| Khertan | oups wrong window | 12:02 |
| Stskeeps | yours was under that | 12:02 |
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| lcuk | and the image is on the limit, the card said 2gb on the box, it says 2gb on the card itself etc, its just not the same 2gb you expect :p | 12:02 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: yes, but the card specs lie, it seems, it was not 2Gb or 2gb | 12:02 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, floppy disks - 1.44MB or 1.76MB | 12:03 |
| lcuk | same disk | 12:03 |
| Stskeeps | you're not getting my point. | 12:03 |
| achipa | 1,44 is the best | 12:03 |
| achipa | I wish I knew who came up with that number | 12:03 |
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| Stskeeps | your card was closer to 1.8gb, not matching either 2gb or 2GB (in kilo=1000 or 1024) | 12:03 |
| achipa | I mean, you can argue "I count storage this way", but how can you employ BOTH 1000 and 1024 at the same time ? | 12:04 |
| BCMM | achipa: probably the max they thought they could push the density to in a disk of that diameter... | 12:04 |
| achipa | BCMM: not talking about the physical capacity, but the NUMBER | 12:04 |
| lcuk | BCMM, formatting layout | 12:04 |
| lcuk | 21 vs 22 cylinders afaik | 12:04 |
| lcuk | or something like that | 12:04 |
| BCMM | achipa: which number? 1.44? | 12:04 |
| lardman | 0.12 *12 ;) | 12:04 |
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| lardman | as floppies are nearly as old as the Pyramids, why do we expect them to not be counted in multiples of 12? | 12:06 |
| lcuk | lol | 12:06 |
| Khertan | why 12 ... this is due to old way of counting using your thumbs | 12:06 |
| achipa | BCMM: yes. 1,474,560 bytes - that's fixed, cool | 12:06 |
| DuckBoot | lardman: I have floppies - Even 5 1/4 one lying around. | 12:06 |
| DuckBoot | ones | 12:06 |
| achipa | BCMM: but the trouble is it is 1.44 * 1024 * 1000 | 12:06 |
| BCMM | achipa: heh | 12:07 |
| achipa | BCMM: so you get to use a SI kilo one time and a CS kile the other | 12:07 |
| achipa | kilo* | 12:07 |
| lardman | Khertan: hmm, people had more thumbs in those days I guess? ;) | 12:07 |
| DuckBoot | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Floppy_disk_format | 12:07 |
| timeless | from memory floppies were often sold in 3packs, 6packs and 12packs | 12:07 |
| mece | about the meego images, can one actually run applications there, in the current state? I mean stuff you make yourself. | 12:07 |
| BCMM | achipa: so it is exactly 1440KB? | 12:07 |
| chem|st | lardman: I grew up with datasettes also known as winding /dev/null | 12:07 |
| BCMM | i mean, 1440KiB? | 12:07 |
| koala_man | exactly 1440KiB | 12:08 |
| koala_man | yes | 12:08 |
| achipa | BCMM: yes | 12:08 |
| Khertan | if you use your left and right thumb to count your hands phalanges you will fount the magic number 12 | 12:08 |
| BCMM | heh, 1.44KiKb | 12:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | what would you say if I told you 42422 factoids of infobot start with same 4 chars? anybody got anything beating this? | 12:08 |
| lardman | chem|st: I was joking, I also grew up with 5 1/4 disks (and tape drives) | 12:08 |
| BCMM | i guess they must've used 1440KB originally, then someone in marketting "fixed" it | 12:08 |
| mece | I'm not really interested in (or skillful enough) to develop the os, but I would like to get crackin on applications for it :) | 12:08 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, one thing for certain, this debate is amusing \m/ who would have thought it would bring back all the feelings from old lol | 12:08 |
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| achipa | DuckBoot: I have an 8"-er for historical purposes. That's one big plate | 12:08 |
| chem|st | lardman: not tapedrives... | 12:08 |
| DuckBoot | achipa: Uuuh - That's nice | 12:08 |
| timeless | well, my infobot only has 6,301 or so factoids | 12:09 |
| BCMM | DuckBoot: which 4 chars? | 12:09 |
| DuckBoot | BCMM: Wuut? | 12:09 |
| chem|st | lardman: my drive was looking like an ordinary cassettes player | 12:09 |
| BCMM | DuckBoot: sorry | 12:09 |
| BCMM | DocScrutinizer: which 4 chars? | 12:09 |
| lardman | Stskeeps: what's of interest re hacking in the N900 Meego image? | 12:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | zip | 12:09 |
| kerio | BCMM: reflowing text is all fun and games, but some "UI" features can't be reorganized | 12:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~listkeys zip | 12:10 |
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| infobot | Factoid search of 'zip' by key (18): the cool zippi tool ;; pocketzip drive ;; jzip ;; tkzip ;; pocketzip ;; oldtest zipporah ;; prezip ;; oldtest ziphron ;; gtkzip ;; hzip ;; gzip ;; oldtest ziph ;; jazip ;; jargon zip ;; pkzip for linux ;; bzip2 ;; oldtest zippor ;; jargon zipperhead. | 12:10 |
| timeless | n900: making it not bootable? :) | 12:10 |
| Stskeeps | lardman: plenty? i mean, closed blobs are SGX, bt/wifi firmware and bme | 12:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | hah, he cleaned them out | 12:10 |
| Stskeeps | lardman: rest is open. ofono stack is getting integrated, albeit slowly | 12:10 |
| lardman | chem|st: yeah had those at school | 12:10 |
| lardman | Stskeeps: so do the closed blobs need integration, or will updates be provided for them? | 12:11 |
| chem|st | lardman: my brother and I where shivering everytime we tried to save something... 50:50 by any chance | 12:11 |
| Stskeeps | lardman: we have a build service tracking meego daily/weekly/trunk and publishing those to the open | 12:11 |
| Stskeeps | well, open as in 'n900 owning peeps' | 12:11 |
| lardman | :) | 12:12 |
| mece | Stskeeps, is there an rss feed I can read that tells about the releases and what's in them? | 12:12 |
| lardman | I was going to try the image, and wondered whether I could do anything useful, or if it's just a case of waiting for people who have access to the source/docs to provide the binaries? | 12:12 |
| Stskeeps | lardman: well, give it a try first | 12:12 |
| lardman | cool | 12:13 |
| Stskeeps | mece: ask about this on meego-dev@meego.com please | 12:13 |
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| Stskeeps | mece: for meego in general | 12:13 |
| Stskeeps | lardman: we sit in #meego-arm and work in the open, people can submit changes to our stuff in gitorious | 12:13 |
| Stskeeps | mece: but meego-commits@ is a good list to follow | 12:13 |
| Stskeeps | (HIGH TRAFFIC) | 12:13 |
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| lardman | Stskeeps: thanks, will give the image a go and catch up on the ml, etc | 12:14 |
| Stskeeps | http://wiki.meego.com/Quality/HandsetTestReport has handset test reports on current issues | 12:14 |
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| mece | Stskeeps, I was hoping for something more in the blog post or log post on the web or something. But no worries. I'll keep track via meego.com. | 12:15 |
| mece | perhaps there could be an automated changelog post to forum.meego.com in a particular thread with the weekly releases? | 12:16 |
| mece | or somewhere else.. | 12:16 |
| mece | changelog since last release that is. | 12:16 |
| Stskeeps | mece: meego-dev@meego.com i guess would be best to suggest that. | 12:17 |
| mece | Stskeeps, alright, I will. | 12:17 |
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| Stskeeps | (it's out of my hands, so) | 12:19 |
| achipa | Yay ! First successful voting via kisstester ! Too bad I thought it doesn't work yet so thumbed a perfectly innocent bystander package :S | 12:19 |
| mece | hahaha | 12:20 |
| mece | :D | 12:20 |
| mece | achipa, excellent idea, that software btw. | 12:20 |
| sharpneli | Kisstester? I'm afraid it'll do what I think it'll do. | 12:21 |
| achipa | mece: the proof is in the pudding - we'll see how much water the 'laziness was is the determining factor' argument holds :P | 12:21 |
| lardman | bbl | 12:22 |
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| achipa | sharpneli: read it as KISStester, maybe it's a bit less misleading | 12:22 |
| achipa | or, at least, misleading in a different way | 12:22 |
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| mece | hehehe | 12:23 |
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| achipa | I always have this problem with names... :) I even have a project I feared to publish as the name is hm... questionable ? | 12:24 |
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| achipa | It's a dead simple PyQt util that prunes conversations history (as with 30k messages my N900 was getting anaphylactic shocks every time I receive an IM) | 12:25 |
| lcuk | achipa, in times gone by, I used to archive large databases into a side dataset rather than pruning | 12:26 |
| lcuk | but I agree, this N900 is the first device I have used where entire sms history is available | 12:26 |
| lcuk | all my old phones used to shout after 500 messages or something | 12:26 |
| korhojoa | lcuk: i guess you haven't used a symbian phone then? | 12:26 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | mmmpf, router breakdown again | 12:27 |
| lcuk | korhojoa, i also used to not sms much - yes I have had a couple over the years | 12:27 |
| timeless | some nokia phones definitely had limits | 12:27 |
| achipa | lcuk: I kind of do backups, so still have them should I need them | 12:27 |
| korhojoa | I used to just move all my messages to a 'old messages' folder | 12:27 |
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| timeless | i know a girl in finland who couldn't receive stuff w/o deleting stuff | 12:27 |
| korhojoa | my E61 in the end probably had over 10000 sms's stored | 12:27 |
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| korhojoa | (wow, come to think of it, that's a hell of a lot of messages) | 12:27 |
| achipa | In an onslaught of dark humor I called it "alzheimer" (I blame it on Garth Marenghis Darkplace, which I watched while writing it) | 12:27 |
| lcuk | achipa, problem is, I vaped my entire history to not much effect | 12:28 |
| lcuk | so I put it back again | 12:28 |
| timeless | did you vacuum? | 12:28 |
| lcuk | removed folder | 12:28 |
| lcuk | new database | 12:28 |
| achipa | lcuk: hm, it did help me, though I pruned the conversation list, too | 12:28 |
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| lcuk | I was looking at other effects though | 12:28 |
| lcuk | and the sms was just one part of it | 12:29 |
| lcuk | so your cleanup will be a diffferent thing achipa | 12:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer | [2010-08-11 11:32:04] <infobot> Factoid search of 'zip' by key (21 of 42422): zip 13464 ;; zip 14613 | 12:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~listkeys zip | 12:33 |
| infobot | Factoid search of 'zip' by key (21 of 42422): zip 12886 ;; zip 13483 ;; zip 16678 ;; zip 22656 ;; zip 23432 ;; zip 32440 ;; zip 33075 ;; zip 35762 ;; zip 36609 ;; zip 40932 ;; zip 40939 ;; zip 41228 ;; zip 41465 ;; zip 44416 ;; zip 4564 ;; zip 46105 ;; zip 47106 ;; zip 56226 ;; zip 62640 ;; zip 76548 ;; zip 76702. | 12:33 |
| * DocScrutinizer scratches head | 12:33 | |
| alterego | Android have a virus now, | 12:34 |
| alterego | Lucky our backwater plot isn't really a centre of attention | 12:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | also of the ones who'd spot a virus - after all | 12:35 |
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| alterego | DocScrutinizer: obviously ... | 12:41 |
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| alterego | Was contemplating some kind of SIP like wakie takie app for home LANs | 12:48 |
| alterego | Which runs on desktop and N900 | 12:49 |
| crashanddie | alterego: not very "walkie" then if it's a desktop | 12:49 |
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| alterego | More like a base station then :P | 12:50 |
| alterego | I'm just working on my app ideas list and see what I come up with. Though these things are better in groups usually :P | 12:50 |
| alterego | All of my ideas, not sure if they're salable though :( | 12:52 |
| alterego | The only one that would be is going back to my previous employment genre .. | 12:52 |
| timeless | cradle baby monitor | 12:54 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: what's the best codec to use for a boot video for n900 you were saying? | 12:57 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: not sure sorry | 12:57 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: hmmm :) | 12:57 |
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| MohammadAG51 | wazd, XviD | 12:58 |
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| wazd | MohammadAG51: ah, thanks :) | 12:58 |
| alterego | wazd: whatever format the nokia hands are in? :) | 12:58 |
| wazd | I'm making a PS3 XMB live wallpaper now :) | 12:58 |
| wazd | mostly stealing it from here :) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8EgpBh9A-zA&fmt=22 | 12:59 |
| MohammadAG51 | wazd, for the N900? cool :D | 12:59 |
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| wazd | MohammadAG51: yep | 12:59 |
| wazd | MohammadAG51: Live Wallpaper app allows to place looped video on the background :) | 13:00 |
| alterego | battery suck! :P | 13:00 |
| MohammadAG51 | wazd, yeah, noticed that, it's not @ a high fps though | 13:00 |
| wazd | MohammadAG51: well, built in trailers are playing at fullspeed | 13:01 |
| wazd | MohammadAG51: captured videos are unusable though | 13:01 |
| MohammadAG51 | yeah, tried those | 13:01 |
| * MohammadAG51 checks trailers | 13:01 | |
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| DocScrutinizer | alterego: what's wrong with peer2peer sip? | 13:06 |
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| var | hello | 13:07 |
| cehteh | DocScrutinizer: n900 doesnt support it well | 13:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | cehteh: i'm not sure it supports it at all | 13:08 |
| var | yes | 13:08 |
| cehteh | you cant call out at least, i wonder if it can accept calls | 13:08 |
| var | i like telephons With maemo | 13:09 |
| alterego | I'm just juggling ideas, not looking into the current avialability. | 13:09 |
| alterego | I don't really have any ideas at the moment. I think I need some beers. | 13:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | cehteh: along the line 'user:"itsme@<IPofN900local>"' | 13:10 |
| cehteh | i just trying that | 13:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | no registrar | 13:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | no proxy | 13:10 |
| cehteh | sip:user@10.40.20.101 ... | 13:10 |
| cehteh | doesnt work | 13:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | outbound or in? | 13:11 |
| cehteh | from laptop to n900 | 13:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | mhm | 13:11 |
| cehteh | for the other way around there isnt even a gui | 13:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | would be interesting to see a pcap | 13:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | cehteh: not sure about the gui part | 13:12 |
| var | ïðèâåò âñåì | 13:12 |
| cehteh | i am sure | 13:12 |
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| cehteh | you can only make sip calls when you are logged in at some sip proxy/registrar | 13:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-(( | 13:12 |
| cehteh | i havent one configured | 13:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | get twinklephone! | 13:13 |
| cehteh | and some nokians saied this isnt possible | 13:13 |
| cehteh | well someday i put a sip proxy on my server | 13:13 |
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| cehteh | anyways .. lunch .. bbl | 13:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | fscking cumbersome | 13:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | 3 cheers for closed-source dialer | 13:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer | F*CKNG stipidity | 13:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | s/ip/up/ | 13:15 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer meant: F*CKNG stupidity | 13:15 |
| MohammadAG51 | the dialer can be replaced | 13:15 |
| MohammadAG51 | it's a simple fucked up tool | 13:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep, I'm aware of that | 13:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | anyway the ntegration sucks donkey balls | 13:15 |
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| cehteh | does the n900 support video calls ocer sip? | 13:16 |
| MohammadAG51 | over skype and gtalk | 13:16 |
| MohammadAG51 | idk about the rest | 13:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | not over sip afaik | 13:16 |
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| DocScrutinizer | though gtalk *might* be SIP | 13:17 |
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| MohammadAG51 | anyone on PR1.1.1? | 13:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | not since your kernel :-P | 13:20 |
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| MohammadAG51 | lol | 13:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | system is 1.1.1 still | 13:20 |
| MohammadAG51 | k, /query | 13:21 |
| alterego | I wonder if we could get a proper SIP telepathy plugin | 13:21 |
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| alterego | Looks like there is already | 13:23 |
| alterego | sofiasip | 13:23 |
| alterego | Yup, I definitely have a sip client ... | 13:24 |
| BCMM | alterego: what is wrong with the built in SIP? | 13:25 |
| alterego | BCMM: I dunno, I've not used it :P | 13:25 |
| BCMM | alterego: i mean, it doesn't actually work here, is that a universal experience? | 13:25 |
| alterego | Maybe, seems to be the consensus so far, again though, I've only just found it :P | 13:25 |
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| BCMM | it's a shame; it's very cool the way there is a common interface for calling on SIP, GSM and Skype | 13:26 |
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| BCMM | what is sofiasip? | 13:27 |
| MohammadAG51 | what's the license of the mediaplayer? | 13:28 |
| * MohammadAG51 pokes Stskeeps | 13:28 | |
| MohammadAG51 | wondering if I could distribute a binary | 13:28 |
| Stskeeps | closed | 13:30 |
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| MohammadAG51 | Stskeeps, distributable? | 13:30 |
| Stskeeps | doubt it | 13:30 |
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| * MohammadAG51 wonders what would happen if he distributed it | 13:30 | |
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| alterego | BCMM: sofiasip is the telepathy plugin that handles SIP on the N900 | 13:31 |
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| BCMM | alterego: is it in a repository? | 13:31 |
| MohammadAG51 | terminates* | 13:31 |
| BCMM | alterego: an alternative one, or the one that come preinstalled? | 13:32 |
| TermanaN900 | MohammadAG51, I'll be back! | 13:32 |
| MohammadAG51 | oh i'm sure | 13:32 |
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| alterego | BCMM: the one that comes preinstalled | 13:36 |
| BCMM | oh, i was hoping there was a more-working alternative... | 13:36 |
| BCMM | nm | 13:36 |
| alterego | BCMM: seems to be the only one there at least | 13:36 |
| alterego | BCMM: do you know what you problem is? Or it just doesn't work? | 13:37 |
| BCMM | alterego: oh, i can't remember exactly | 13:37 |
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| BCMM | alterego: various things, could've been network or SIP provider issues | 13:37 |
| BCMM | but tried with multiple providers, and it worked OK from my comptuer on the same network | 13:38 |
| BCMM | there were different issues per provider, i think | 13:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | BCMM: 'usual' SIP (over provider & registrar) just WFM | 13:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | like a charm | 13:39 |
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| BCMM | DocScrutinizer: hmm, which provider? | 13:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | sipgate.de | 13:40 |
| BCMM | DocScrutinizer: also, i am somewhat confused about SIP | 13:40 |
| BCMM | DocScrutinizer: what is a registrar? | 13:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | the auth server and "exchange" of the provider | 13:40 |
| BCMM | DocScrutinizer: uh huh, so if i have an account with a typical sip provider set up, it's what you'd consider "usual" sip? | 13:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep | 13:41 |
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| BCMM | do they have a site for people that only speak english? | 13:42 |
| hrw | ~hail fapman author | 13:42 |
| * infobot bows down to fapman author and chants, "I'M NOT WORTHY!!" | 13:42 | |
| BCMM | is sipgate.co.uk the same system? | 13:42 |
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| DocScrutinizer | sipgate.co.uk maybe | 13:42 |
| frals | MohammadAG51: nokia legal will come and eat you alive ;-) | 13:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer | uh? | 13:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG51 doing nasty again? | 13:43 |
| MohammadAG51 | was wondering if i could distribute a binary :p | 13:44 |
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| DocScrutinizer | haha | 13:44 |
| TermanaN900 | why distribute if everyone that has an n900 already has the binary? | 13:44 |
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| DocScrutinizer | not without written permission signed by Nokia CEO | 13:44 |
| BCMM | you know, the bbc site would be a whole lot less annoying the the "mobile" link in the upper left corner went to a mobile version of the *current article*, not the bloody front page every time | 13:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | BCMM: mhm, but how could #maemo help you out on it? | 13:45 |
| BCMM | DocScrutinizer: there was a discussion earlier about various people's broken mobile browser detection | 13:46 |
| BCMM | sorry, was kinda offtopic | 13:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | *nod* | 13:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer | [2010-08-11 10:52:51] <DocScrutinizer> timeless: would be a nice feature to have a fast select option between different browser IDs | 13:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | [2010-08-11 10:53:50] <timeless> doc: please find someone to make a site property plugin for fennec to do that | 13:47 |
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| achipa | for all interested parties, KISStester is available from extras-devel | 13:58 |
| MohammadAG51 | damn autobuilder | 13:59 |
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| pexi | http://cdn.okcimg.com/blog/camera/SexAndSmartPhones.png | 14:00 |
| alterego | What do we have in the way of RDF parsers/processors? | 14:01 |
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| RST38h | The advert urged people to call the "Anti-Terrorist Hotline" to report suspicious behaviour such as anyone paying with cash "because he doesn't have a bank card", or keeping his curtains closed "because his house is on a bus route". | 14:07 |
| RST38h | "based on trends identified by police and had been amongst evidence given in court at recent terrorism trials" <=== ahhahaha | 14:08 |
| TermanaN900 | http://cdn.okcimg.com/blog/camera/SexAndSmartPhones.png | 14:11 |
| TermanaN900 | hmm maemo and meego arent even there :P | 14:11 |
| RST38h | Ok, androids are not getting any. | 14:11 |
| MohammadAG51 | those aren't even corelated... | 14:12 |
| RST38h | Mohammad: BTW, is synaptic usable on N900? | 14:12 |
| MohammadAG51 | yeah | 14:12 |
| MohammadAG51 | well | 14:12 |
| MohammadAG51 | current package is broken, just uploaded a new one | 14:13 |
| MohammadAG51 | the autobuilder fails to build synaptic, so the packages will be in non-free till it's sorted | 14:13 |
| RST38h | yep | 14:14 |
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| * MohammadAG51 slaps X-Fade | 14:15 | |
| MohammadAG51 | pings* | 14:15 |
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| koala_man | http://i.imgur.com/64bwT.png updated graph | 14:15 |
| jophish | TermanaN900, I run a unix based OS, which means I get laid about as much as I have to reboot my computer | 14:15 |
| achipa | TermanaN900: it's a fairly known fact that in questions of polls about sex, that word can plainly be substituted with "ego" | 14:16 |
| frals | rofl jophish | 14:16 |
| jophish | oh god I lold koala_man | 14:16 |
| pexi | koala_man, ;) | 14:16 |
| BCMM | it isn't a measure of sexual activity, contrary to the graph title | 14:16 |
| achipa | koala_man: my colleague has a gf with a N900 | 14:17 |
| BCMM | it could just demonstrate that stupid people tend not to form long-term relationships | 14:17 |
| frals | my gf has a n900 ;o | 14:17 |
| koala_man | achipa: a gift from him? | 14:17 |
| Scelt | frals: and tits? | 14:17 |
| Scelt | frals: which you prefer? | 14:17 |
| achipa | koala_man: good question, don't know, but she *is* a geekette | 14:17 |
| frals | uh, yes | 14:18 |
| koala_man | well, this graph is based on hits from a single's dating site. that just means N900 geek girls don't need such sites | 14:18 |
| chem|st | jophish: in case of n900 this is quiet often then? | 14:18 |
| Scelt | frals: still no sorting images by date descending in fmms :( | 14:18 |
| chem|st | frals: tits or destiny? | 14:19 |
| BCMM | ^of | 14:19 |
| achipa | koala_man: actually saw her wearing earrings that say Q and T. I guess I should take a photo and sent it to Oslo :) | 14:19 |
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| jophish | chem|st, well, at the moment my phone powers off when I depress the g and h keys together. I'm just hoping that that counts as a reboot :) | 14:19 |
| MohammadAG | GH = Go to Hell, so it reboots | 14:20 |
| chem|st | ?? | 14:20 |
| achipa | Giant Hiccup in HW language | 14:20 |
| chem|st | that multiboot thing is driving me crazy... how do I get that thing to boot maemo properly and not die in the first 3 tries? | 14:20 |
| MohammadAG | press b I uninstalled it | 14:21 |
| chem|st | b? | 14:21 |
| MohammadAG | that thing between n and v | 14:21 |
| chem|st | well I am not familiar with this bootloader so please explain what it does on "b" | 14:22 |
| MohammadAG | boot :) | 14:22 |
| MohammadAG | I think it falls back to the default boot script | 14:22 |
| chem|st | well default then? cause i press "0" atm | 14:22 |
| MohammadAG | hmm, not sure about 0, I've always used b | 14:22 |
| chem|st | I try next time | 14:23 |
| chem|st | just had the point of no return and had to reboot | 14:23 |
| MohammadAG | anyways, I went back to bootmenu | 14:23 |
| MohammadAG | till someone ports grub :P | 14:23 |
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| chem|st | grub would be nice... also the 1st one to have a passwd set | 14:24 |
| TermanaN900 | koala_man, lol @ updated graph :P | 14:25 |
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| chem|st | koala_man: in rules of minor 3 this means all b**ches owning an iphone are easy? | 14:33 |
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| koala_man | chem|st: yes, especially the ones with an iphone 4. they can't even call the police when you follow them | 14:38 |
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| Noma | ~flashing | 14:38 |
| infobot | flashing is, like, http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 14:38 |
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| mece | fukkn openwrt.org is down :/ | 14:48 |
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| achipa | oh.. THAT flashing. I thought you meant http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exhibitionism#Types_of_exposure (NSFW, hm, does this mean Wikipedia should have an 18+ rating ?) | 14:49 |
| sig^ | that's why we have conservapedia | 14:50 |
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| sig^ | not that it's very safe for anyone either... | 14:51 |
| mece | oh.. it's back | 14:51 |
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| timeless | achipa: my browser needs an 'images off' button for use w/ nsfw sites | 14:54 |
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| timeless | so i can use Playboy for the articles :) | 14:54 |
| ShadowJK | heh, forum.nokia claims N900 has 768M NAND memory :-) | 14:54 |
| DantonicN800 | well my n900 is on its way for warranty repair. | 14:55 |
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| timeless | so, i saw this cool new browser | 14:55 |
| timeless | it was sporting a brand new feature | 14:55 |
| xkr47-DI | so is opensource a kind of flashing ? :) | 14:55 |
| timeless | which my 3com audrey had in 2000 | 14:55 |
| DantonicN800 | I had forgotten how big the n800 screen looks! | 14:55 |
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| timeless | xkr47-di: it's a lame form of exhibitiionism, yes | 14:55 |
| mece | timeless, what feature was that? | 14:56 |
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| ShadowJK | A stop button that stops? | 14:58 |
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| Khertan | DantonicN800: yeah it s an amazing good screen ! | 14:59 |
| DantonicN800 | it's so big! | 14:59 |
| Khertan | it s so great and well sized :) | 15:00 |
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| PhonicUK | hey all | 15:00 |
| ShadowJK | And the touch layer is closer to the screen :) | 15:00 |
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| satmd | hi :) | 15:00 |
| Khertan | also ! | 15:00 |
| Khertan | but after some month of coding on my n900 i prefer the n900 keyboard | 15:01 |
| DantonicN800 | ya wish n900 had a bgger screen | 15:01 |
| * Khertan wish too | 15:01 | |
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| Khertan | i was hoping that a n910 with bigger screen appear but this didn't happen | 15:02 |
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| frals | Scelt: patches welcome, i have nfc how to do it in hildonfilechooser | 15:02 |
| Scelt | frals: :] | 15:02 |
| Khertan | now i hope that an other constructor will use meego to made phone with form factor of the n810 | 15:03 |
| ShadowJK | bigger screen, more ram, more keys.. time to dram of a N910? :) | 15:03 |
| Khertan | i didn't whine for more ram or more keys :) | 15:03 |
| Khertan | i ve successfully place my tabs button in the toolbar :) | 15:03 |
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| satmd | I'm having trouble connecting to wifi via eap-tls (cert only) and it seems to be slightly different from the bugs on b.m.o... the n900 connects just fine, but displays a popup "Certificate not currently valid" for the radius server and in syslog I see a complaint about a self-signed cert. Now... I do have installed the ca. | 15:04 |
| satmd | my question is: anyone seen this popup? | 15:04 |
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| satmd | it was working fine once | 15:05 |
| timeless | satmd: is the certificate expired? | 15:05 |
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| satmd | the radius server certificate was expired but I renewed it | 15:06 |
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| X-Fade | satmd: Clock correct? | 15:06 |
| satmd | clock is correct | 15:06 |
| timeless | satmd: how did you renew it? | 15:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | blargh! meego | 15:06 |
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| satmd | revoked the old one, resigned the csr | 15:06 |
| timeless | did you install the replacement? | 15:06 |
| * satmd nods | 15:06 | |
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| timeless | note that revoking an expired certificate is pointless | 15:07 |
| * satmd did a complete reflash in a desperate attempt | 15:07 | |
| satmd | but necessary for the CA requirements "unique subject" | 15:07 |
| timeless | browsers don't really care about certificate revokations for expired certificates | 15:07 |
| timeless | um | 15:07 |
| satmd | the ca side cares ;) | 15:08 |
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| timeless | there's an integer like field which one typically bumps | 15:08 |
| satmd | yeah, the index | 15:08 |
| MohammadAG | X-Fade, ping | 15:08 |
| satmd | well, I admit I could have messed up the renewal process | 15:08 |
| X-Fade | MohammadAG: pong | 15:08 |
| satmd | but then I hoped I could get more debug information about the login process | 15:08 |
| satmd | the n900 syslog doesn't tell *which* certificate seems to be selfsigned | 15:09 |
| * timeless goes off to poke someone about an expired cert | 15:09 | |
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| MohammadAG | X-Fade, https://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/synaptic_0.62.1maemo2/armel.build.log.FAILED.txt any ideas? | 15:09 |
| MohammadAG | builds fine on scratchbox | 15:09 |
| timeless | satmd: there's a guy juhani, you can bug him :) | 15:09 |
| satmd | ok :) | 15:09 |
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| albanc | Hi X-Fade, did you have a chance to look at why Miniature 0.4 is not accepted by the build robot? | 15:09 |
| X-Fade | MohammadAG: Yes, no outside network access. | 15:10 |
| MohammadAG | X-Fade, no way around that? | 15:10 |
| X-Fade | MohammadAG: yes, include file in your source. | 15:10 |
| MohammadAG | I was thinking something like enabling outside network access, but I'll see about it :P | 15:10 |
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| X-Fade | MohammadAG: No, no builder will ever do that. | 15:10 |
| MohammadAG | never* | 15:11 |
| MohammadAG | oh | 15:11 |
| MohammadAG | nvm | 15:11 |
| * satmd suggests supplying a local copy of the xsl | 15:11 | |
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| X-Fade | albanc: checking. | 15:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer | how comes each time I try to approach meego it ends in me feeling pissed after max 30 minutes? | 15:12 |
| Khertan | X-Fade: can ask you who manage/maintain the obs community repository ... and who can help me to understand some errors that i don't ? | 15:12 |
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| DuckBoot | DocScrutinizer: Cause they have lots of booze? | 15:13 |
| X-Fade | Khertan: That could be me. | 15:13 |
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| X-Fade | albanc: Can you give me some details on what doesn't work? | 15:14 |
| X-Fade | albanc: As I don't see any builds? | 15:14 |
| albanc | X-Fade, I tried twice yesterday: https://garage.maemo.org/pipermail/extras-cauldron-builds/2010-August/026320.html and https://garage.maemo.org/pipermail/extras-cauldron-builds/2010-August/026328.html | 15:14 |
| Khertan | X-Fade: oh :) i'm trying to made a package for khteditor for meego from dist-utils with a spec file and i got the following error : /bin/rpm: error while loading shared libraries: liblua- | 15:15 |
| Khertan | X-Fade: does the rpm command is available ? | 15:15 |
| X-Fade | albanc: That is not miniature? :) | 15:15 |
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| Khertan | (and working :) ) | 15:15 |
| albanc | X-Fade, the first time with dput, and the second time using the webform. In both case, I received the email from the robot saying OK. But then, no packages appears on http://maemo.org/packages/view/monorail/ | 15:15 |
| timeless | so, on the subject of certificate | 15:16 |
| albanc | X-Fade, oh, I'm sorry, I meant Monorail, not Miniature | 15:16 |
| timeless | s | 15:16 |
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| timeless | getting a new one does your users no good if you don't restart the server with it installed | 15:16 |
| timeless | (in reference to some private server) | 15:16 |
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| X-Fade | albanc: Very strange. It seems to build fine: https://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/monorail_0.4/results/ | 15:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer | DuckBoot: yeah probably - at least those dudes when they bigmouthedly announced meego to be much more open and foss and everything than maemo. For sure they had enough booze prior to announcing that. Fact is meego is completely hostile, developed 'behind the wall" like all Nokia does, and has no docs or community involvement in any part of the process. It's just another example of "develop in a closed process, then drop source on community | 15:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | together with the finished binaries" | 15:20 |
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| satmd | restarted multiple times | 15:20 |
| kerio | goddammit | 15:20 |
| timeless | satmd: that comment was actually about another service | 15:20 |
| Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: yet at the same time you're bitching there's a shitload of SDK people from nokia and intel discussing in #meego-meeting | 15:20 |
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| satmd | :D | 15:20 |
| timeless | it was for some of us to laugh at | 15:20 |
| kerio | now the usb cable doesn't work either, unless i push the plug towards the "battery" side | 15:21 |
| timeless | it just happens to coincide with your problems | 15:21 |
| kerio | is this a common problem, and is there a way to fix it happily? | 15:21 |
| kerio | s/happily/easily/ | 15:21 |
| infobot | kerio meant: is this a common problem, and is there a way to fix it easily? | 15:21 |
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| kerio | wtf am i writing | 15:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: so? am I supposed to have 2 weeks of holiday and read the logs of that channel, just to find out e.g what's the general concept of sensorfw? | 15:22 |
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| Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: no, minutes of each minute is published | 15:22 |
| * satmd waves at Stskeeps | 15:22 | |
| DocScrutinizer | doesn't change anything | 15:23 |
| Stskeeps | so it's a closed process when you're too lazy to participate? right | 15:23 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 15:23 |
| * Stskeeps sighs and goes away | 15:23 | |
| satmd | :( | 15:23 |
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| kerio | DocScrutinizer: broken usb plug too now :( | 15:26 |
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| DocScrutinizer | btw: nota bene who's discussing there! >>[2010-08-11 14:20:44] <Stskeeps> DocScrutinizer: yet at the same time you're bitching there's a shitload of SDK people from nokia and intel discussing in #meego-meeting | 15:26 |
| kerio | well, usb port | 15:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep, exactly. a shitload of SDK people from nokia and intel - fine | 15:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | thanks for supporting my point | 15:28 |
| Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: and everyone else allowed to participate and discuss. not 'only' those. | 15:28 |
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| DocScrutinizer | mhm | 15:28 |
| X-Fade | albanc: I submitted the build again and now it finished fine. | 15:29 |
| X-Fade | albanc: No idea what happened yesterday. | 15:30 |
| albanc | X-Fade, I had the same problem months ago when I uploaded Map Buddy. Maybe it is a problem specific to my account... | 15:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | kerio: now that should maybe suffice for a complete replacement :-S | 15:31 |
| albanc | X-Fade, thanks for uploading again :) | 15:31 |
| kerio | yay :( | 15:31 |
| X-Fade | albanc: Well the upload was ok, as the sources are there. | 15:31 |
| kerio | well, it works if i push the plug towards the battery | 15:31 |
| X-Fade | albanc: It failed mid build. | 15:31 |
| lcuk | \o/ X-Fade sometimes I believe you wear a superhero costume whilst working. thanks \o | 15:31 |
| X-Fade | I'd be pretty happy to have this replaced by OBS btw :) | 15:32 |
| lcuk | indeed, it just moves the issues though | 15:32 |
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| albanc | So the package should appear is about 1 hour :) http://maemo.org/packages/view/monorail/ | 15:33 |
| X-Fade | albanc: Probably within half an hour. | 15:33 |
| albanc | Is it correct that a script is run every hour to put the compiled packages in the repositories? | 15:33 |
| MohammadAG | or 4 minutes:P | 15:33 |
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| lcuk | MohammadAG, thats just your special timing | 15:33 |
| MohammadAG | wasn't it :05 and :35 of every hour? | 15:34 |
| lcuk | you sense when its due | 15:34 |
| MohammadAG | which is in the next minute | 15:34 |
| MohammadAG | lcuk, nah, that's noobmonk3y | 15:34 |
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| lcuk | nahhh when n00bmonk3y is coding it doesnt matter - he pushes 100 builds/minute anyway | 15:35 |
| MohammadAG | lol | 15:35 |
| w00t_ | no, that's frals | 15:35 |
| w00t_ | :P | 15:35 |
| lcuk | heh | 15:35 |
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| frals | dont hate on release early releasae often! | 15:36 |
| Khertan | <X-Fade> I'd be pretty happy to have this replaced by OBS btw :) <<< i think it s far more complex and will generate more questions :) | 15:36 |
| Khertan | but seems a really nice tool | 15:36 |
| * MohammadAG facepalms http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=60161 | 15:36 | |
| MohammadAG | frals, we're not hating on that, we're hating on you :P | 15:37 |
| th3hate | kernel-power v40 has overclocking enabled? | 15:37 |
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| MohammadAG | I doubt t-tan will take out the only reason his kernel is popular | 15:38 |
| E0x | MohammadAG: is that real ? | 15:38 |
| E0x | ( the battery ) | 15:38 |
| * MohammadAG headdesks | 15:38 | |
| th3hate | im running it atm, it's sayng: sh: kernel-config not found | 15:39 |
| MohammadAG | E0x, I hope you're joking | 15:39 |
| E0x | i not | 15:39 |
| MohammadAG | th3hate, sudo kernel-load or something | 15:39 |
| kerio | MohammadAG: hmm... mobilehotspot? | 15:39 |
| E0x | too cheap | 15:39 |
| * frals trouts MohammadAG | 15:39 | |
| kerio | th3hate: apt-get install kernel-power-config | 15:39 |
| MohammadAG | kerio, that had a kernel on its own | 15:39 |
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| kerio | MohammadAG: ext4? | 15:40 |
| MohammadAG | kerio, most users who have the kernel don't know what ext4 is | 15:40 |
| kerio | MohammadAG: whatever - it's still the "standard" extra kernel | 15:40 |
| kerio | if anything, because it's in the repos | 15:40 |
| MohammadAG | and why did it get into the repos? | 15:41 |
| MohammadAG | cause noobish overclockers gave it +10 votes when it can burn out your device | 15:41 |
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| th3hate | couldn't find package: kernel-power-config | 15:41 |
| MohammadAG | I'm in a good mood to see if i2c-tools can make it into extras | 15:41 |
| th3hate | pulled out repos? | 15:41 |
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| MohammadAG | kernel-power-settings | 15:41 |
| ham5 | whats sending international sms messages? | 15:42 |
| kerio | i was going by memory | 15:42 |
| MohammadAG | kernel-power-settings - Tools for the customization of kernel settings | 15:42 |
| DuckBoot | th3hate: apt-cache search kernel-power | 15:42 |
| tclerckx | Hi all. I'm still hesitating between buying a Nokia N900 or an Android based smartphone (e.g. Samsung Galaxy). Main objective for me is support for (easily) writing applications using Python as a base. Any pros/cons that you guys could advice me on? | 15:42 |
| MohammadAG | ham5, cherry? | 15:42 |
| ham5 | I notice an extra 2 or so a month seince I got the phone | 15:42 |
| ham5 | cherry? | 15:42 |
| MohammadAG | cherry = MyNokia | 15:42 |
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| MohammadAG | apt-get install notmynokia and kill the fag | 15:42 |
| ham5 | apt-get uninstall ? | 15:43 |
| ham5 | why should I install more | 15:43 |
| MohammadAG | cause mp-fremantle-generic-pr most likely depends on it | 15:44 |
| kerio | tclerckx: android sucks balls | 15:44 |
| kerio | MohammadAG: it does | 15:44 |
| MohammadAG | kerio, didn't check, that's why I said most likely | 15:45 |
| ham5 | that just a meta packagE? | 15:45 |
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| MohammadAG | needed by SSU | 15:45 |
| ham5 | SSU? | 15:45 |
| MohammadAG | if you don't give a crap about SSU, break it | 15:45 |
| MohammadAG | ~ssu | 15:45 |
| infobot | from memory, ssu is http://wiki.maemo.org/SSU | 15:45 |
| kerio | ~botsmack | 15:45 |
| infobot | OWW! | 15:45 |
| MohammadAG | LOL | 15:45 |
| E0x | tclerckx: the n900 is very hack-friendly but if you will dev to profit android right now have more market | 15:45 |
| kerio | (i meant to write smack) | 15:45 |
| E0x | or just wait for the next n900 replacement | 15:45 |
| ham5 | yea I dont need that I just flash with usb | 15:45 |
| MohammadAG | then break it | 15:45 |
| MohammadAG | also check Xsession, see if uninstalling it keeps leftovers | 15:46 |
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| th3hate | anyone installed Shake-N-Surf from ovi store? | 15:54 |
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| th3hate | can't uninstalled it.. i dont find it in applications list | 15:54 |
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| MohammadAG | dpkg -r shake-n-surf | 15:59 |
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| th3hate | that did the trick thanks | 16:02 |
| th3hate | whats the difference between "apt-get remove x" and "apt-get remove x --purge" | 16:03 |
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| MohammadAG | purge gets rid of configuration files in etc | 16:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer | kerio: don't smack infobot! | 16:04 |
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| kerio | sorry | 16:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-) | 16:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer | 1500mA battery -WOOOOW | 16:05 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, for $6!!!!11111!!111111 | 16:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer | that's... that's... err 200mA *more* than the original one | 16:05 |
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| korhojoa | ~smack self | 16:06 |
| * infobot smacks self upside the head. | 16:06 | |
| * wazd has forgotten to confirm torrent download in utorrent 3 hours ago... doh! | 16:06 | |
| korhojoa | arrr | 16:06 |
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| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, at half half the price | 16:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | with double double the fun :-P | 16:06 |
| MohammadAG | is it me, or have people reached a new level of stupidity | 16:06 |
| MohammadAG | yeah, I'm sure it'd be explosive | 16:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's you, people always been like that | 16:07 |
| MohammadAG | I'm sure you have better experience as an engineer | 16:09 |
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| romen | funny post: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=774148&postcount=652 | 16:20 |
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| romen | It would be awesome to extend PoE to 802.11 xD | 16:21 |
| DuckBoot | Mmm | 16:21 |
| RST38h | romen: the antenna will have to be rather large | 16:23 |
| DuckBoot | "Whenever close to a hotspot - charge" | 16:23 |
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| th3hate | is 50C safe for n900 :P? | 16:27 |
| MohammadAG | is 50C safe for you? | 16:28 |
| Scelt | take it to sauna and you'll see | 16:29 |
| Yabbapappa | Hello, Can I use this to clean up (and hide some scratches) the screen of N900? | 16:29 |
| th3hate | what do you compare me with n900? | 16:29 |
| DuckBoot | Yabbapappa: This? | 16:29 |
| korhojoa | th3hate: it is | 16:29 |
| Yabbapappa | Ohh, sorry this <http://www.celly.com/english/mobile_accessories_extra_displex.html> | 16:29 |
| th3hate | i mean n900's temp | 16:30 |
| Scelt | korhojoa: been with it in a sauna? | 16:30 |
| korhojoa | th3hate: well. sorry. it was wrong of me to say that. i've had it in +50 conditions and it's survived | 16:30 |
| DuckBoot | Yabbapappa: Probably yes | 16:30 |
| korhojoa | Scelt: nope. in a car in the sun | 16:30 |
| Scelt | korhojoa: good enough | 16:30 |
| * MohammadAG facepalms | 16:30 | |
| Yabbapappa | There is finnish netstore which says that it is not for touch screens | 16:30 |
| MohammadAG | is 50C safe for a cooled PC CPU? no | 16:30 |
| korhojoa | Scelt: Qatar in the summer isn't that forgiving | 16:30 |
| korhojoa | MohammadAG: tbh, the laptop survived it just fine, it just throttled down | 16:31 |
| th3hate | 120c is safe for GPU's | 16:31 |
| th3hate | modern ones | 16:31 |
| MohammadAG | korhojoa, screw laptops, mine runs at 100C | 16:31 |
| Scelt | korhojoa: :] | 16:31 |
| korhojoa | the cpu sits at ~97C with full fan... so. | 16:31 |
| MohammadAG | anyways, no | 16:31 |
| MohammadAG | 50C isn't safe for a brick size tank | 16:31 |
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| th3hate | queen beecom showed 50c yesterday after playing movie @900mhz for 1 hr | 16:32 |
| korhojoa | MohammadAG: my desktop for some reason doesn't throttle the fan that much, so it's quite often at over 75C | 16:32 |
| MohammadAG | what were using to play the movie? | 16:32 |
| th3hate | SiB | 16:32 |
| MohammadAG | makes sense | 16:32 |
| korhojoa | SiB ? | 16:32 |
| MohammadAG | some frontend for mplayer | 16:33 |
| th3hate | Mplayer | 16:33 |
| korhojoa | ah | 16:33 |
| MohammadAG | M != m | 16:33 |
| th3hate | mPlayer | 16:33 |
| th3hate | P != p | 16:33 |
| th3hate | fml | 16:33 |
| korhojoa | well the DSP can usually handle video a lot better (assuming that there's a codec that supports it) | 16:33 |
| MohammadAG | indeed, and it won't load the CPU as much | 16:33 |
| th3hate | mplayer doesn't use the dsp? | 16:33 |
| MohammadAG | no | 16:33 |
| MohammadAG | it's CPU only | 16:34 |
| korhojoa | i thought everyone knew that | 16:34 |
| th3hate | so only default media player uses it? | 16:34 |
| TomaszD | it does use all arm neon optimizations though | 16:34 |
| MohammadAG | gstreamer uses the DSP, if something uses gstreamer it uses the DSP | 16:34 |
| korhojoa | i've had a few video files though that play just fine with mplayer but stutter like hell with the DSP | 16:34 |
| th3hate | any gstreamer player that can zoom vid to fit screen? | 16:35 |
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| th3hate | mediabox i guess? | 16:35 |
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| MohammadAG | mediabox uses gstreamer I guess | 16:35 |
| MohammadAG | gstreamer-flv is a dep | 16:35 |
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| MohammadAG | hmm, SIM card crossed out for some reason | 16:37 |
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| * MohammadAG thinks he needs to visit a Nokia care center | 16:37 | |
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| MohammadAG | can anyone apt-get install synaptic | 16:39 |
| MohammadAG | doesn't seem to be working for me | 16:39 |
| GAN900 | Ha, I love living in Florida. | 16:40 |
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| E0x | MohammadAG: not work here | 16:40 |
| GAN900 | "It's raining an awful lot." | 16:40 |
| th3hate | MAFW uses the dsp? | 16:40 |
| GAN900 | "Is that a hurricane?" | 16:41 |
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| MohammadAG | E0x, did you update the repos first? | 16:41 |
| th3hate | MohammadAG, MAFW uses dsp? | 16:41 |
| E0x | not | 16:42 |
| MohammadAG | for music? afaik nope | 16:42 |
| th3hate | for videos | 16:42 |
| MohammadAG | the media player does | 16:42 |
| th3hate | mediabox can choose MAFW as a player backend for avi | 16:43 |
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| MohammadAG | check gstreamer | 16:43 |
| th3hate | it has gstreamer also | 16:44 |
| th3hate | but sets MAFW as default | 16:44 |
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| MohammadAG | hmm | 16:51 |
| MohammadAG | X-Fade, poke | 16:51 |
| tclerckx | So, what about the battery lifetime of the n900? | 16:53 |
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| kerio | what about it? | 16:54 |
| _trine | the N900 seems very variable my phone can run at 1150 MHz on the starving profile but my wifes can only run at 900 MHz on the LV profile | 16:54 |
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| kerio | DocScrutinizer: do it | 16:54 |
| kerio | you know you want to | 16:54 |
| DuckBoot | tclerckx: No worries - I carry a small nuclear powerplant on my back, so I always charge it. | 16:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | heh? | 16:54 |
| kerio | tclerckx: don't OC it | 16:55 |
| kerio | really | 16:55 |
| visz | i doubt that the battery wouldn't last longer than the use of the phone | 16:55 |
| tclerckx | kerio: what do you mean, don't OC it? | 16:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~tell _trine about omap-oc | 16:55 |
| kerio | there's a way to overclock the cpu | 16:55 |
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| visz | and a new one won't cost too much | 16:55 |
| kerio | but it's a *bad* idea, as TI says | 16:56 |
| kerio | battery life is good enough to get back home to charge it | 16:56 |
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| visz | oh, charge frequency | 16:56 |
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| kerio | tclerckx: the n900 is an awesome device | 16:59 |
| kerio | android phones are phones | 16:59 |
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| kerio | their main purpose is still to make phone calls and write SMSes | 16:59 |
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| hrw | same with my n900 | 17:00 |
| hrw | it has to make calls and send/receive sms | 17:00 |
| _trine | why would running a cpu at a higher speed reduce its life ,, I cant see that | 17:00 |
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| kerio | _trine: it's a matter of heat dissipation and electromigration | 17:00 |
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| hrw | reading emails/tweets/webpages etc is extra | 17:00 |
| _trine | what would reduce its life is a higher tempreature | 17:00 |
| _trine | not speed | 17:01 |
| kerio | speed causes heat, duh | 17:01 |
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| _trine | running a proc at a higher speed does not necessarily create more speed | 17:01 |
| _trine | more work creates more heat | 17:02 |
| _trine | running a proc at a higher speed does not necessarily create more heat*** | 17:02 |
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| kerio | _trine: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electromigration | 17:02 |
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| MohammadAG | hmm | 17:02 |
| _trine | so if you want to benefit from short term speed increases then I see nothing wrong in 1150 | 17:02 |
| * MohammadAG wonders if uploading the SDK apt to the repos was a smart move | 17:02 | |
| MohammadAG | prolly not | 17:03 |
| _trine | kerio, I understand about what you are trying to say | 17:03 |
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| MohammadAG | kerio, don't bother discussing overclocking | 17:03 |
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| _trine | most of the time at least 98% of the time my cpu is running at 250 MHz | 17:04 |
| _trine | but it can burst to 1150 and i like that | 17:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer | _trine: guess why infobot passed that nice link to you | 17:04 |
| _trine | yes thanks | 17:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~ompa-oc | 17:05 |
| MohammadAG | then keep it at 1150 | 17:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~omap-oc | 17:05 |
| infobot | omap-oc is, like, http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2010-08-01.log.html#t2010-08-01T22:16:05 read that! | 17:05 |
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| DuckBoot | I have chosen to OC my N900, because I will probably find something more new and shiny before I manage to trash my N900. So I think of OC as a choice. And I choose to shorten the lifespan of my device, since I will not keep it as long as it takes it to die on me. | 17:05 |
| MohammadAG | it'll burn, but you like that | 17:05 |
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| * _trine looks around his room at all the stuff that he has paid a lot of money for in the past which is still working but useless by todays standards | 17:06 | |
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| _trine | and thats surely the way the N900 will go to | 17:07 |
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| _trine | in 2 years it will be scrap | 17:07 |
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| * DocScrutinizer suggests sledge hammer - more reliable way to make sure this won't happen | 17:07 | |
| kerio | oh god i want to overclock now :O | 17:07 |
| _trine | he he | 17:07 |
| rmrfchik | it's going to be scrap much faster | 17:07 |
| kerio | they're persuasive | 17:07 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer: MAKE THEM STOP | 17:07 |
| * _trine would over clock his wife if he could | 17:08 | |
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| kerio | does the processor have a hidden record of the clock speeds? | 17:09 |
| _trine | just checked my CPU temp its 44 | 17:09 |
| kerio | because i tried overclocking it in the past | 17:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | kerio: we must not tell you | 17:09 |
| kerio | and i'll have to send it to nokia now for unrelated reasons | 17:09 |
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| lcuk | _trine, your wife would have problems if you overclocked her. | 17:10 |
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| _trine | lcuk, yes but she would get the housework done faster | 17:10 |
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| kerio | also you'd last long enough in bed | 17:10 |
| kerio | hurr durr | 17:11 |
| lcuk | _trine, but note that she may get involved in a runaway process and burn herself out on the poolboy | 17:11 |
| _trine | kerio, I'm past all that now | 17:11 |
| kerio | that's so sad :( | 17:11 |
| kerio | i mean, for you | 17:11 |
| _trine | I'll leave the sex to you young whippersnappers | 17:11 |
| kerio | hehe | 17:11 |
| _trine | :) | 17:11 |
| kerio | anyway, once i get my new n900 from nokia - yay warranty - i'll probably overclock it | 17:11 |
| kerio | to something realtively sane | 17:12 |
| kerio | relatively | 17:12 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer: take that | 17:12 |
| _trine | if the kernel would allow it i would try faster | 17:12 |
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| _trine | I would like to see how far it would go | 17:12 |
| _trine | and you never know it could outlive me | 17:13 |
| kerio | yeah, you could get hit by a bus | 17:13 |
| kerio | just sayin' | 17:14 |
| _trine | can you imagine lay on your death wondering if it would have gone faster | 17:14 |
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| _trine | :))) | 17:14 |
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| _trine | I remeber all this kind of talk when asus brought out their eeepc with the solid state 40 gig drive | 17:15 |
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| _trine | some said it would not last long | 17:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | you also could explode together with your N900 :-P | 17:15 |
| _trine | some said dont use ext3 because it would wear it out quickly | 17:16 |
| _trine | but my eeepc has been made to work hard and its still here | 17:16 |
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| kerio | DocScrutinizer: we need a heart rate monitor that broadcasts over the net | 17:16 |
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| kerio | so we can know if the n900 died before him | 17:16 |
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| _trine | DocScrutinizer, I'm 64 years old this stuff almost all carries a lifelong warranty for me | 17:17 |
| MohammadAG | _trine you do know someone lost a battery cause of OC'ing right? | 17:17 |
| _trine | he he | 17:17 |
| MohammadAG | 64? wow | 17:17 |
| kerio | i'm just 18 | 17:17 |
| MohammadAG | and I was complaining I got old last week | 17:18 |
| kerio | ._. | 17:18 |
| _trine | MohammadAG, I bought 2 spare batteries at only £8 for the 2 | 17:18 |
| MohammadAG | kerio, don't feel sad, I'm 17 | 17:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm, makes chances for a nice explosion even better :-D | 17:18 |
| _trine | 64 is good too | 17:18 |
| _trine | ha ha | 17:18 |
| FIQ | Yay, found a bug in UIQ3 to turn the whole OS into landscape mode. :D | 17:18 |
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| _trine | MohammadAG, I have computer stuff I built which is still running from before you came to Earth :) | 17:19 |
| _trine | lol | 17:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | isn't UIQ3 that strange "OS" on cheaper smartphones? | 17:19 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer: that symbian that's not exactly symbian | 17:20 |
| MohammadAG | _trine, but does it blend? | 17:20 |
| _trine | isnt life great | 17:20 |
| MohammadAG | :P | 17:20 |
| DuckBoot | Even I have computer stuff older than 17 years, and it's still running. | 17:20 |
| kerio | well i have a working n64 | 17:20 |
| kerio | take that, losers | 17:20 |
| _trine | he he | 17:20 |
| DuckBoot | ;-P | 17:20 |
| MohammadAG | I have an atari, HA! | 17:20 |
| _trine | you're all making me laugh | 17:20 |
| _trine | thanks guys | 17:20 |
| MohammadAG | hmm | 17:20 |
| MohammadAG | I think it was a jaguar | 17:21 |
| * lcuk knocks over _trine's stack of punchcards | 17:21 | |
| MohammadAG | actually, is | 17:21 |
| MohammadAG | I still have it | 17:21 |
| kerio | MohammadAG: WHERE DID YOU LEARN TO FLY | 17:21 |
| DuckBoot | I have a VIC-20 in prime condition at home. | 17:21 |
| FIQ | DocScruntizer, I use my P1i atm due to N900 being on reparation | 17:21 |
| MohammadAG | kerio, red bull gives you wings | 17:21 |
| MohammadAG | :P | 17:21 |
| rmrfchik | again n900 can't sync google calendar.. so tired | 17:21 |
| MohammadAG | on a more serious note, I hate that crap | 17:22 |
| * _trine remembers building 300 baud modems for use on radios | 17:22 | |
| DocScrutinizer | I dumped my NASCOM-I and other antique stuff 2 years ago | 17:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | even the HP41-CV | 17:22 |
| * DocScrutinizer sobs | 17:22 | |
| FIQ | I like the fact that the system works pretty fine in landscape with minor flaws | 17:22 |
| _trine | hey i even remember the the house lit by gas mantles | 17:22 |
| DuckBoot | DocScrutinizer: Sacrilege | 17:23 |
| _trine | I still have some zx spectrum bits | 17:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | dumped | 17:23 |
| FIQ | turn on cam application and instantly open the SME menu, go to random application | 17:23 |
| _trine | and possibly an old zx81 in the roofspace | 17:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | zx-81 dumped | 17:23 |
| FIQ | but some of them forces revert to portrait. :( | 17:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | got ~8 of them, with 16k RAM extension :-P | 17:24 |
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| * DuckBoot had some hard arguments back then - which was best: VIC-20 or the ZX-81 | 17:24 | |
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| _trine | DocScrutinizer, the first one I built had only 1k of ram | 17:24 |
| _trine | with an upgrade to 2k | 17:25 |
| Ford_Prefect | The one with the "Z", or even better, "X", of course | 17:25 |
| FIQ | P1i is on of the few symbian based phones whose multitasking feature actually works properly without "OUT OF MEMORY!!!!!!!!!!!11" msgs | 17:25 |
| SpeedEvil | My oldest working system is a Z88. (1988 tablet computer). | 17:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | NASCOM-1 | 17:26 |
| tclerckx | So anyone has experience with the N900 combined with the BH-905 headset? | 17:26 |
| SpeedEvil | Stuck 4 AA in it a couple of months ago, and it booted just fine, with saved files (eeprom) there. | 17:26 |
| SpeedEvil | I will be happy if the n900 lasts as long. | 17:26 |
| th3hate | kernel-config limits gives " frequecny limit arguments missing" | 17:26 |
| th3hate | any idea why? | 17:26 |
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| kerio | ~tell th3hate about omap-oc | 17:27 |
| _trine | I think the slide arrangement for the N900 keyboard may be the bit that breaks first | 17:27 |
| DuckBoot | _trine: Mine already seems a bit shaky | 17:27 |
| _trine | kernel-config limits 250 900 | 17:27 |
| DuckBoot | Well - dinner awaits. cd ~ | 17:28 |
| _trine | does anyone use kernel-config load starving | 17:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | nonsense | 17:28 |
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| kerio | wtf is "starving"? | 17:30 |
| _trine | or is most people here using ideal | 17:30 |
| th3hate | starving profile = less power usage? | 17:30 |
| _trine | there is :- | 17:30 |
| _trine | starving lv and ideal | 17:30 |
| th3hate | and ulv+ xlv | 17:30 |
| _trine | yeah | 17:30 |
| th3hate | but starving = lowest voltages i think | 17:31 |
| _trine | my N900 runs on starving at 1150 | 17:31 |
| _trine | happyly | 17:31 |
| th3hate | doesn't crash on heavy load? | 17:31 |
| _trine | nope | 17:32 |
| _trine | it runs perfectly | 17:32 |
| lcuk | its easy for an individual machine to be made to do almost anything. | 17:32 |
| _trine | but I wifes N900 will not do it | 17:32 |
| lcuk | its more difficult to find something that can work in every condition | 17:32 |
| th3hate | you set lowest ferq 250 or 500? | 17:32 |
| _trine | 250 1150 | 17:32 |
| lcuk | one person can sail round the work in a dingy, but it does not mean its good for normal travel | 17:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer | yep | 17:33 |
| _trine | the best I can get my wifes N900 to work at is on lv profile 250 900 | 17:33 |
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| _trine | so these phones are very variable | 17:34 |
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| th3hate | different cpu revisions maybe | 17:34 |
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| lcuk | \o Ford_Prefect | 17:34 |
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| Ford_Prefect | o/ lcuk | 17:35 |
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| DocScrutinizer | and btw ULV, starving etc pp probably do pretty poor job on battery live extension. CPU is ~100mA on full nominal rate. ULV can reduce this by a few percent at most | 17:35 |
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| DocScrutinizer | th3hate: nope, different chips | 17:36 |
| _trine | another thing too | 17:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | same make | 17:36 |
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| johnsq | Hi | 17:36 |
| _trine | my phone is much better than the other one in terms of wifi and gps sensitivity | 17:36 |
| th3hate | DocScrutinizer, i thought all n900's use the same chip? | 17:37 |
| _trine | quite significantly so | 17:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | th3hate: same make, as I told | 17:37 |
| th3hate | different chip, same make? | 17:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's variation in particular chip | 17:37 |
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| DocScrutinizer | another chip of same type | 17:38 |
| th3hate | that's kinda not fair :P | 17:38 |
| MohammadAG | well, life's a bitch | 17:38 |
| MohammadAG | :) | 17:38 |
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| DocScrutinizer | well, you can try to buy a 'certified OC-1100' | 17:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | but maybe this will change after 2 weeks, when CPU is worn out | 17:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-P | 17:39 |
| _trine | does that mean my phone is worth more :P | 17:39 |
| _trine | only joking | 17:39 |
| kerio | _trine: *now* | 17:39 |
| th3hate | starving profile = less power usage = less heat at the same freq? | 17:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | your phone is worth *zero* now that it's been OC'd | 17:40 |
| kerio | you keep using it that way, it'll blow up soon | 17:40 |
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| kerio | DocScrutinizer: does nokia know if you *ever* OCed it? | 17:40 |
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| SpeedEvil | how does stuff appear on maemo.org/news/ | 17:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes | 17:41 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer: how? | 17:41 |
| kerio | :o | 17:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | kerio: we must not tell you | 17:41 |
| _trine | the main thing is as i said before not the speed at which the cpu is overclocked to but rather the temperature its running at | 17:41 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer: a log in CAL? | 17:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | maybe | 17:41 |
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| kerio | DocScrutinizer: come on... | 17:41 |
| kerio | :( | 17:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | and for sure a log in chip itself | 17:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | the chip doesn't forget, and that's the whole crux about OC | 17:42 |
| _trine | my cpu temp is at this moment 44 | 17:42 |
| th3hate | but normal shops probably wont check that log | 17:43 |
| _trine | and thats very good | 17:43 |
| th3hate | when we sell it to them | 17:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | who cares? | 17:43 |
| kerio | i care! my miniusb port is faulty! | 17:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's clearly unrelated to OC | 17:43 |
| th3hate | _trine, it's about electromigration | 17:43 |
| th3hate | not temp | 17:44 |
| kerio | yeah but i want a full replace :3 | 17:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | except it maybe grown faster than normal :-P Mine is still micro | 17:44 |
| kerio | am i a bad person? | 17:44 |
| _trine | th3hate, heat and electromigration are related | 17:44 |
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| kerio | DocScrutinizer: ooh, so *that* is the problem | 17:44 |
| vltR | 35*C.. is it high value ? | 17:44 |
| kerio | hehe | 17:44 |
| _trine | cpu speed and electromigration are NOT related | 17:44 |
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| th3hate | speed and heat are related | 17:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | _trine: wrong. CPU clock <is proportional to> CPU Vdd current <is proportional to> electromigration | 17:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | but *not* linear proportional | 17:46 |
| th3hate | simple english please :( | 17:46 |
| _trine | more speed does create more heat but thats only significant when its continually run at a higher speed which is not the case here | 17:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | more like 10 ^ (x ^ 2) | 17:47 |
| Ford_Prefect | Grr, this Meego image refuses to be written to my microSD card | 17:47 |
| Ford_Prefect | I get a "no space left on device" after 10 MB | 17:47 |
| th3hate | go to #meego | 17:47 |
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| Ford_Prefect | th3hate: ah, right | 17:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | _trine: again wrong. Hotspots on die heat up in microseconds rather than minutes | 17:48 |
| _trine | DocScrutinizer, but that will not significantly make any difference | 17:48 |
| _trine | they will heat up anyway | 17:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | mhm | 17:48 |
| _trine | thats just the physics of it | 17:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | what is it then you are talking about? metaphysics? | 17:49 |
| _trine | this type of talk is scaremongering | 17:49 |
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| th3hate | device also heats up on default freqs when under heavy load | 17:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | you might want to read the comment about smartreflex in http://wiki.maemo.org/Overclocking#Undervolting_and_voltage_tables anyway | 17:50 |
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| _trine | electromigration ALWAYS takes place over time with every piece of kit | 17:51 |
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| _trine | there is noting you can do about it look at the electromigration thats happened to me in 64 years | 17:52 |
| _trine | shit | 17:52 |
| _trine | :) | 17:52 |
| _trine | dont worry | 17:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | again wrong - EM is an exponential function of electron energy aka current density. There's a threshold though, und which the quantum noise doesn't exceed the crystal structure binding forces | 17:52 |
| _trine | everything wears out eventually | 17:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | ergo -> with a certain amount of current density not exceeded you see very very very few EM | 17:53 |
| _trine | is this taking into account the Heisenberg uncertainty principle | 17:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | for OMAP3530 this threshold seems to be at a current equaling a clock freq of ~500MHz | 17:54 |
| _trine | or are we talking about Schroedingers cat | 17:54 |
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| DocScrutinizer | nope, we don't talk shroedinger here, but heissenberg is surely involved | 17:54 |
| _trine | and if we are talking quantum then in lots of the other worlds my phone will live forever | 17:55 |
| th3hate | so anything over 500Mhz is bad for cpu? | 17:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | th3hate: yes | 17:55 |
| th3hate | should i underclock it then? | 17:55 |
| th3hate | to 250-500? | 17:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | no | 17:55 |
| _trine | I have a great way of making your phone last a lot longer | 17:56 |
| _trine | turn it off | 17:56 |
| th3hate | liquid nitrogen? | 17:56 |
| johnsq | _trine: than the accu dies. | 17:56 |
| _trine | he he | 17:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, if you use Nokia standard cpufreq governor setup, then the duration it actually runs at 600 is reasonably restricted not to do noticable harm to the CPU | 17:56 |
| MohammadAG | X-Fade, ping | 17:56 |
| _trine | I just dont worry about such things ,, when if it breaks I will buy another | 17:57 |
| MohammadAG | scp: /var/www/extras-devel/incoming-builder/fremantle/packagename_source.changes: Permission denied | 17:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | _trine: ok, then please let's stop with this whole topic now | 17:57 |
| _trine | ok | 17:58 |
| th3hate | can we place OMAP4 chip instead of the current one if we find compatible drivers? | 17:58 |
| _trine | but you were the one carrying it on | 17:58 |
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| MohammadAG | It's a SoC, you'll have to replace the whole board | 17:59 |
| th3hate | whole board = everything inside? | 17:59 |
| _trine | DocScrutinizer, are you interested in quantum mechanics | 18:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | th3hate: simple answer: no you can not | 18:00 |
| _trine | I can reccomend a very good web site | 18:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | thanks, nothing new to learn there | 18:00 |
| _trine | quantum mechanics is one of my life long interests | 18:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | I got my quantum shit sorted for all I need for EE purposes (and a bit beyond) | 18:01 |
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| _trine | http://streamer.perimeterinstitute.ca/mediasite/viewer/ | 18:03 |
| _trine | those are some of the student lectures | 18:03 |
| _trine | there are some good public lectures too | 18:04 |
| _trine | http://www.perimeterinstitute.ca/en/Outreach/Public_Lectures/View_Past_Public_Lectures/ | 18:05 |
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| wazd | Ещ штыефдд ыщьуерштп акщь Фвщиу Ш ырщгдв сдщыу умукнерштп акщь Фвщиу фтв Ашкуащч | 18:06 |
| wazd | oh shit | 18:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | hehe | 18:06 |
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| wazd | looks like captions from Borat :D | 18:07 |
| RST38h | Looks like Unicode. | 18:07 |
| TomaszD | dang, this a/v receiver is complicated to set up.. | 18:08 |
| lcuk | wazd, I am pleased you realised you had mucked up. I thought for a minute I had started drinking early | 18:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-D | 18:08 |
| wazd | I was trying to tell that to install something from Adobe I shoud close everything from Adobe and Firefox | 18:09 |
| wazd | 21st century | 18:09 |
| lcuk | wazd, it wasn't even russian | 18:10 |
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| lcuk | google translate result | 18:10 |
| lcuk | Esch shtyefdd yschuershtp aksch Fvschiu W yrschgdv sdschyu umuknershtp aksch Fvschiu FGTS Ashkuaschch | 18:10 |
| * lcuk is even more confuddled | 18:10 | |
| wazd | lcuk: that was english typed with wrong language selected :D | 18:10 |
| wazd | lcuk: my common problem :) | 18:10 |
| lcuk | ahhh PEBKAC | 18:11 |
| TomaszD | you type looking at the keyboard? | 18:11 |
| * lcuk does | 18:11 | |
| lcuk | even thought I can fluently touchtype | 18:11 |
| ShadowJK | 8@#9"5*"#+9'358'3+85-*8:+ | 18:12 |
| RST38h | T9 turned itself off? | 18:12 |
| ShadowJK | fn lock failed to turn off | 18:13 |
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| mgedmin | there are apps (FuelPad) that sort of enable Fn mode for numeric entry boxes | 18:14 |
| mgedmin | try to input a floating point value in those -- 124 work fine, but to enter '.' you need to hold Fn | 18:14 |
| mgedmin | wtf | 18:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep, amazing feature :-D | 18:15 |
| ShadowJK | hm, they default to , for me, which happens to be the decimal separator in my locale | 18:15 |
| chem|st | mgedmin: fuelpad takes floating point with "," as separator | 18:15 |
| mgedmin | chem|st, to enter ',' you also have to hold down Fn | 18:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: HAHAHA - now that sounds more like a bug then | 18:15 |
| chem|st | nope | 18:15 |
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| mgedmin | what? | 18:16 |
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| chem|st | mgedmin: you should be able to enter it without | 18:16 |
| mgedmin | yes | 18:16 |
| MiXu- | I don't have to hold it | 18:16 |
| chem|st | mmh wierd | 18:16 |
| mgedmin | I get = if I don't hold fn | 18:16 |
| wazd | To continue installation, close all listed processes: Acrobat.exe, Dreamweaver.exe, Illustrator.exe, Photoshop.exe, InDesign.exe, Firefox.exe" | 18:16 |
| MiXu- | But I have a Finnish layout which has . and , in the same key | 18:16 |
| ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer, it always made sense to me that boxes for entering numbers automatically set layout to numbers entry :p | 18:16 |
| mgedmin | good for you | 18:17 |
| * DocScrutinizer stares at .exe and starts coughing | 18:17 | |
| MiXu- | The developer of FuelPad is also finnish I think | 18:17 |
| chem|st | ah you got a separate key for , | 18:17 |
| mgedmin | I use the english layout (I'm not sure if it's US or UK) | 18:17 |
| MiXu- | which explains why the issue has gone unnoticed | 18:17 |
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| chem|st | mgedmin: both the same | 18:17 |
| mgedmin | do you think it's a FuelPad issue? | 18:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: sure, but not taking into account different separators seems odd | 18:17 |
| mgedmin | I though it set a property on the gtk input box | 18:17 |
| chem|st | mgedmin: yes | 18:17 |
| MiXu- | So go ahead and file a bug for FuelPad. I'm sure it'll be fixed. | 18:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: looks like it's not completely locale aware | 18:18 |
| mgedmin | and the rest is just OS input method doing what it wants to do | 18:18 |
| chem|st | mgedmin: I'd love to rearange all the readings on my keys... | 18:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: ot too aware | 18:18 |
| ShadowJK | btw port numbers in advances connection settings is also auto-numbers | 18:18 |
| MiXu- | yeah but you don't need special characters there | 18:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | mhm, but those are always written with dots | 18:19 |
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| ShadowJK | not port numbers | 18:19 |
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| mgedmin | ip addresses? | 18:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | ooh port numbers | 18:19 |
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| chem|st | ok it is odd | 18:20 |
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| mgedmin | aaauagh I hate google reader sometimes | 18:21 |
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| chem|st | sometimes? | 18:21 |
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| mgedmin | open a post (it's marked as read), leave it for a few hours, move to a different network, and now you can't do anything | 18:21 |
| mgedmin | can't mark it as "not read" | 18:21 |
| mgedmin | google.com/reader/i | 18:21 |
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| SpeedEvil | How does stuff get syndicated onto /news? | 18:27 |
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| Jaffa | SpeedEvil: There's a syndicate your blog link on Planet (which gets to /news) and some specific news sources are listed as well | 18:28 |
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| SpeedEvil | ah | 18:30 |
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| * Jaffa is restraining himself, badly, on the "Who needs the council" thread | 18:38 | |
| frals | i just saw that thread | 18:39 |
| * SpeedEvil imagines the council walking on stage with 'The Who'. | 18:39 | |
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| frals | lol | 18:39 |
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| Jaffa | "Whoooooo are you? Whoo Whooo Who Who" | 18:40 |
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| MohammadAG | CSI FTW | 18:41 |
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| RST38h | Hehe, haven't you seen this coming though? | 18:43 |
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| Jaffa | RST38h: Sure | 18:49 |
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| * RST38h wonders how landscape changes once the Harmattan device is out | 18:51 | |
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| RST38h | Would be fun to watch | 18:51 |
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| Corsac | RST38h: what about portrait? | 18:51 |
| Jaffa | As achipa says, so much is still unknown. | 18:51 |
| RST38h | Corsac: NO FLASH! | 18:51 |
| Jaffa | Nokia insist it'll be more MeeGoish; but there'll be loads of questoins on meego.com about packaging debs? Hmm. | 18:52 |
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| Jaffa | s/questoins/questions/ | 18:52 |
| infobot | Jaffa meant: Nokia insist it'll be more MeeGoish; but there'll be loads of questions on meego.com about packaging debs? Hmm. | 18:52 |
| MohammadAG | debs on MeeGo? | 18:52 |
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| RST38h | Jaffa: Personally I do not expect too much traffic at meego.com | 18:54 |
| RST38h | Jaffa: People will stay at maemo.org | 18:54 |
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| MohammadAG | wtf is wrong with the autobuilder | 18:56 |
| RST38h | nothing, just needs a medium sized sacrifice | 18:57 |
| wazd | Flash, ooooh, savior of the universe | 18:59 |
| * RST38h checks out Meego APIs documentation. Doxygen again. How typical... | 18:59 | |
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| Jaffa | MohammadAG: Debs on MeeGo-Harmattan (or whatever it gets called) | 19:07 |
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| MohammadAG | oh, that MeeGo | 19:07 |
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| GAN900 | Jaffa, what, not having fun yet? | 19:12 |
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| Jartza | http://i.imgur.com/64bwT.png | 19:22 |
| MiXu- | There are also studies that indicate that the dumber a person is, the more active sexlife he/she has. | 19:24 |
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| Jaffa | GAN900: Yeah, lots of fun cos I like fishing for compliments :) | 19:24 |
| Jaffa | MiXu-: Ah, that explains it. | 19:24 |
| Jaffa | MiXu-: Well, that and 6 years of marriage | 19:24 |
| MiXu- | :) | 19:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer | RST38h: if you find docs about sensorfw API, please tell me | 20:01 |
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| luke-jr | any ideas how to get /dev/video* to appear w/o Maemo? -.- | 20:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | modprobe v4l2 ? | 20:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | wild guess | 20:02 |
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| luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: all the modules are loaded ofc | 20:06 |
| * DocScrutinizer shrugs | 20:07 | |
| DocScrutinizer | guess they'll need some config as well | 20:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | as for quite different vlavours of cam out there | 20:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer | flavours even | 20:08 |
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| SpeedEvil | fcamera. | 20:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | think I've seen some very specific nokia (kernel?) daemons in ps as well, that sounded like video/cam | 20:09 |
| SpeedEvil | Can I tell it to take shots forever until it runs out of space. | 20:09 |
| MohammadAG | camera-ui? | 20:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer | nothing a while true; do loop couldn't do, with fcam - aiui | 20:10 |
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| SpeedEvil | does fcam take commandline args? | 20:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | no idea, but that's what I thought | 20:12 |
| SpeedEvil | I was wondering about tonight. | 20:12 |
| SpeedEvil | Perseids | 20:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ooh :-D | 20:13 |
| * DocScrutinizer curses clouds | 20:13 | |
| Finnish | Any idea why my N900 is sometimes so damn sloe, hildon-home hogs CPU and sometimes I miss calls cause phone is feeling so slow? | 20:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | and milk which tastes like garlic :-O** so no latte macchiato for DocScrutinizer51 | 20:14 |
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| SpeedEvil | I've gone over to UHT milk. | 20:15 |
| SpeedEvil | - heat treated. | 20:15 |
| SpeedEvil | The modern stuff I can't taste any difference. | 20:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | won't help on that one :-D | 20:15 |
| SpeedEvil | And I can buy 30l and jam it in the cupboard. | 20:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer | stupid cow eaten a whole field of that garlic-alike herbs it seems | 20:16 |
| SpeedEvil | Ah. | 20:16 |
| SpeedEvil | yeah - used to have goats. | 20:16 |
| SpeedEvil | (well - parents did) | 20:16 |
| SpeedEvil | Milk when they'd been on some stuff - hawthorne - for example - was very tainted. | 20:17 |
| SpeedEvil | Garlic mustard? | 20:17 |
| * SpeedEvil has pulled most of that out of the garden I think. | 20:17 | |
| DocScrutinizer | ramson? | 20:18 |
| lcuk | SpeedEvil, awesome idea (perseids) | 20:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'd not even see an iridium flare | 20:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | clouds :-( | 20:19 |
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| Khertan_n900 | Hi again | 20:20 |
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| DocScrutinizer | should do ISS and perseids as well | 20:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer | of course GPS based | 20:23 |
| Khertan_n900 | Noone have package newer version of pylint for #extras repository ? | 20:23 |
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| Khertan_n900 | I'm still asking myself if stopping maintain my package in extras repository was a good idea ... as now there are outdated version of python module or apps that stay in the extas repository and noone else maintain them | 20:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer | yeah, you don't quit with garage. No matter where you run to | 20:31 |
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| hrw | btw - does something other then mediaplayer and gallery use data from Tracker? | 20:34 |
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| luke-jr | so anyhow | 20:36 |
| luke-jr | N900 battery lasts *much* longer with R&D disabled… | 20:36 |
| luke-jr | 3 hours off AC, GPRS+Wifi enabled, still over 85% | 20:36 |
| Stskeeps | of course | 20:36 |
| Khertan_n900 | DocScrutinizer: the problem is mainly that they refuse to remove my package from extras so let s thinking user that it still maintained. And specially when application manager ignore package from third party repository even newer if they exists in maemo repository | 20:37 |
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| Khertan_n900 | R&D disabled ? | 20:37 |
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| luke-jr | Stskeeps: any idea how to get cameras to work? :P | 20:37 |
| Stskeeps | luke-jr: on mainline? | 20:37 |
| luke-jr | on Fremantle | 20:37 |
| Stskeeps | luke-jr: another area we're working in, but that one is a bit more difficult | 20:37 |
| Stskeeps | luke-jr: v4l2 | 20:38 |
| luke-jr | also, not "of course"-- R&D *should* just disable the stupid watchdogs :P | 20:38 |
| luke-jr | Stskeeps: /dev/video* don't exist without Maemo… | 20:38 |
| Stskeeps | luke-jr: then you're not loading the right modules | 20:38 |
| luke-jr | yes I am :/ | 20:38 |
| luke-jr | or rather, udev is | 20:38 |
| luke-jr | I manually loaded every video-related module tho | 20:38 |
| Khertan_n900 | Any news on the obs to create repository for maemo ? | 20:39 |
| Jaffa | Good reviews in a hotel bar. How glamours | 20:39 |
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| hrw | Nokia-N900:~# ls /dev/video* -l | 20:39 |
| hrw | crw-rw---- 1 root video 81, 2 Jan 1 1970 /dev/video0 | 20:39 |
| hrw | crw-rw---- 1 root video 81, 1 Jan 1 1970 /dev/video1 | 20:39 |
| * luke-jr wonders if fcam is open source | 20:39 | |
| luke-jr | hrw: you have Maemo running | 20:39 |
| Jaffa | s/Good/Code/ | 20:39 |
| infobot | Jaffa meant: Code reviews in a hotel bar. How glamours | 20:39 |
| hrw | luke-jr: yes, I have | 20:39 |
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| Jaffa | s/glamours/glamourous/ | 20:40 |
| infobot | Jaffa meant: Good reviews in a hotel bar. How glamourous | 20:40 |
| luke-jr | hrw: that's cheating | 20:40 |
| hrw | luke-jr: you asked 'on fremantle'... | 20:40 |
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| luke-jr | hrw: Fremantle kernel | 20:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | check who's responsible for dev major 81 | 20:41 |
| hrw | I wish to have 2nd n900 for playing with 2.6.35 on it | 20:41 |
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| hrw | board_rx51_camera? | 20:41 |
| luke-jr | hrw: NITDroid has some multiboot thing, and Stskeeps is playing with uBoot | 20:41 |
| Khertan_n900 | bye. Must disconnect ... low battery | 20:42 |
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| hrw | luke-jr: I know - have multiboot and nitroid installed. multiboot is crap - to reboot maemo5 I need to power on it too often | 20:44 |
| luke-jr | ah | 20:45 |
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| johnsq | Hi | 20:48 |
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| luke-jr | so is FCam 100% open, and if so, is it usable as a daily-life digicam? | 20:51 |
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| MohammadAG51 | when they add flash light support, yeah | 20:52 |
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| MohammadAG51 | luke-jr, I'd use it as a replacement for the camera app, if it had flash support | 20:52 |
| hrw | I use fcamera instead of normal one. lack of flash does not bother me as I do not use it anyway | 20:53 |
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| MohammadAG51 | wazd, any estimate on the xmb live-wp? :) | 20:54 |
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| wazd | MohammadAG51: I'm working on it right now, faced some crazy shit again - proper codecs don't wan't to show up | 20:54 |
| wazd | they are installed but neither Premiere nor VDub see them | 20:55 |
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| MohammadAG51 | hmm? | 20:55 |
| MohammadAG51 | wazd, i thought live-wp weren't videos? | 20:55 |
| MohammadAG51 | live-wps* | 20:55 |
| MohammadAG51 | (like the matrix one) | 20:55 |
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| wazd | MohammadAG51: well, they are videos aswell :) | 20:55 |
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| MohammadAG51 | so you're using the new version | 20:56 |
| wazd | MohammadAG51: yep | 20:56 |
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| Stskeeps | timeless: 'MeeGo Devices at Nokia is looking for Project Lead, Localization Testing' | 20:57 |
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| luke-jr | O.o | 21:01 |
| wazd | oh, fiixed | 21:02 |
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| MohammadAG51 | wazd, yay? :p | 21:03 |
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| wazd | MohammadAG51: 1.43Gb -> 3Mb :D | 21:11 |
| luke-jr | do fcam-drivers affect normal non-fcam use at all? | 21:11 |
| MohammadAG51 | wazd, made a new compression spec? :P | 21:12 |
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| timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: interesting | 21:15 |
| wazd | MohammadAG51: well, it still lags a bit, maybe downscaling will help | 21:15 |
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| MohammadAG51 | wazd, mind throwing it over? or at least an online preview? :) | 21:16 |
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| wazd | MohammadAG51: wait a sec :) | 21:18 |
| wazd | MohammadAG51: basically it is this video downscaled http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8EgpBh9A-zA | 21:19 |
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| wazd | MohammadAG51: http://wazd.ucoz.ru/XMB_LW.avi | 21:28 |
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| mece | wazd, waz'dat? | 21:29 |
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| wazd | mece: not sure :D | 21:30 |
| MohammadAG51 | wazd, awesome! | 21:31 |
| MohammadAG51 | now colours :P | 21:31 |
| wazd | MohammadAG51: well, that's simple | 21:31 |
| wazd | MohammadAG51: if you mean hue change :) | 21:31 |
| wazd | MohammadAG51: I'll try to make different versions after 400x240 video experiment | 21:32 |
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| MohammadAG51 | wazd, it's awesome as it is tbh, different colours and i'd release it | 21:33 |
| wazd | MohammadAG51: I have some lags right now, is it fine on your device? | 21:34 |
| MohammadAG51 | yeah | 21:34 |
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| MohammadAG51 | it's not like the on my ps3 | 21:34 |
| MohammadAG51 | but it's fine | 21:34 |
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| wazd | MohammadAG51: well, thank that guy that has done all the dirty work :D | 21:43 |
| wazd | MohammadAG51: I've done only re-encoding :) | 21:44 |
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| lcuk | wazd, :) | 21:46 |
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| lcuk | +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ | 21:46 |
| lcuk | did you see the startup videos for maemo | 21:46 |
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| lcuk | theres one with glowing balls threading through | 21:47 |
| lcuk | I shall dig the thread out | 21:47 |
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| lcuk | if we can make a followon for a more immersive experience still | 21:48 |
| lcuk | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=32935 | 21:48 |
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| wazd | well, low res video acted surprisingly worse | 21:52 |
| lcuk | lol wazd | 21:52 |
| felipec | has anybody used ssh through bluetooth? | 21:53 |
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| DocScrutinizer | umm, which profile? | 22:00 |
| hrw | does something other then mediaplayer and gallery use data from Tracker? | 22:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | not by default afaik | 22:01 |
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| hrw | I just disabled nepomuk on desktop | 22:08 |
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| hrw | as I do not see sense in application which has to index GBs of data just to give me a bit better search results | 22:09 |
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| luke-jr | hrw: Nepomuk can't be disabled anymore | 22:56 |
| luke-jr | hrw: on Maemo, Photos requires Tracker | 22:57 |
| hrw | luke-jr: system settings -> nepomuk has an option "enable nepomuk semantic desktop" (or sth like that in english) | 22:58 |
| hrw | so it can be disabled | 22:58 |
| luke-jr | hrw: what old version? :P | 22:58 |
| hrw | luke-jr: kde sc 4.5.0-rc | 22:59 |
| luke-jr | hum | 22:59 |
| luke-jr | maybe I just mean at build | 22:59 |
| hrw | ii libnepomukquery4a 4:4.5.0b-0ubuntu1 the Nepomuk Query Library for the KDE Platform | 22:59 |
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| luke-jr | hrw: my point exactly | 23:02 |
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| jacekowski | http://gizmodo.com/5609444/iphones-users-have-twice-as-much-sex-as-android-users-plus-which-camera-makes-you-sexiest | 23:07 |
| jacekowski | i think i'm going to buy an iphone | 23:08 |
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| luke-jr | jacekowski: fail | 23:08 |
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| luke-jr | don't know where to begin with how wrong that graph is | 23:09 |
| MohammadAG51 | let me | 23:10 |
| luke-jr | well, maybe the graph isn't wrong | 23:10 |
| MohammadAG51 | they're not corelated | 23:10 |
| luke-jr | but the conclusions are | 23:10 |
| cehteh | jacekowski: look closer .. get some surgery make yourself a woman :P | 23:10 |
| luke-jr | 12 sexual partners, 1 time each | 23:10 |
| luke-jr | vs 1 sexual partner, every night | 23:10 |
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| jacekowski | i prefer different partner every night | 23:10 |
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| luke-jr | jacekowski: that's your problem | 23:11 |
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| MohammadAG51 | commitment ftw | 23:11 |
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| lcuk | how fast to amoled screens refresh at? | 23:12 |
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| lcuk | is there a set rate, and if you refresh slower do you save the life of them (but can you still see them) | 23:13 |
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| lcuk | awesome, amoled would work well with white text black background | 23:15 |
| lcuk | and be most energy efficient | 23:15 |
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| ZogG | <luke-jr> 12 sexual partners, at 1 time everyone | 23:19 |
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| jacekowski | btw. these numbers looks fakeish | 23:19 |
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| ZogG | jacekowski 101, | 23:20 |
| ZogG | ?* | 23:20 |
| jacekowski | well, 12 partners | 23:20 |
| jacekowski | during lifetime, a year or what? | 23:20 |
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| SpeedEvil | during lunch? | 23:21 |
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| luke-jr | jacekowski: it says before age 30-something | 23:21 |
| jacekowski | that looks low | 23:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: o/ | 23:21 |
| luke-jr | jacekowski: if anything, high | 23:22 |
| luke-jr | seeing as it should be 0 or 1 for almost all persons | 23:22 |
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| jacekowski | emm, what? | 23:23 |
| ml-mobile | don't get luke-jr going on a moralistic topic, please | 23:23 |
| Timbo | why is it that the camera app needs an internet connection when geo-tagging is enabled? | 23:23 |
| Timbo | it's really annoying | 23:23 |
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| Timbo | i just want it to write gps coords | 23:23 |
| Tiagotiago | hi | 23:24 |
| luke-jr | jacekowski: unless ones wife dies, the number of partners should never rise above 1 | 23:24 |
| luke-jr | Timbo: AGPS | 23:24 |
| Tiagotiago | is there a way i can cripple the settings for using cell voice calls and SMS sending so the N90 will spit out an error when a program tries to use that functionality to help me verify if there is somthing hidden eating up my credits? | 23:24 |
| SpeedEvil | Timbo: It wants to look up the geocode of the place. | 23:25 |
| Timbo | any way to turn that off | 23:25 |
| SpeedEvil | dunno | 23:25 |
| Tiagotiago | n900* | 23:25 |
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| jacekowski | you mean long term partners? | 23:27 |
| ml-mobile | jacekowski: please stop | 23:28 |
| lcuk | Tiagotiago, tablet mode | 23:29 |
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| lcuk | it allows you to turn the n900 back into a wifi only tablet | 23:29 |
| lcuk | i'm fscked if I can remember the name of the package though | 23:30 |
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| Tiagotiago | will that spit an error when a program tries to use those funcitonalities? Also, would there be a way to cripple the functionality without it being noticeable by programs untill they try to use it? | 23:30 |
| lcuk | Tiagotiago, just try it, afaik it does | 23:30 |
| lcuk | it works like you unplugged the sim I think, I put device into tablet mode when Jake wants to play | 23:31 |
| jacekowski | leave tcpdump running on phonet interface | 23:31 |
| luke-jr | jacekowski: I mean sexual partners, yes | 23:32 |
| luke-jr | aka spouses | 23:32 |
| Tiagotiago | the builtin SMS prog just puts the msg on the outbox to wait when SMS funcitonality is enabled again, which might 9indicate other programs can also detect when the phone is in tablet mode and just not send anything | 23:32 |
| * luke-jr wonders if Wireshark supports phonet | 23:32 | |
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| DocScrutinizer | umm, why not? | 23:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | if ifconfig does, why should wireshark fail? | 23:35 |
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| DocScrutinizer | think I even seen pkg wireshark for maemo | 23:36 |
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| luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: I mean dissection | 23:37 |
| luke-jr | analyzing the content of the packets | 23:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | umm, no. You mean monitor mode | 23:37 |
| luke-jr | no, I don't. | 23:37 |
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| luke-jr | tcpdump works fine for that | 23:37 |
| Tiagotiago | rap, i deleted the msg i tried to send while in tablet mode, but it still got sent when i brought the cell functinality back online, more money down the drain :( | 23:38 |
| luke-jr | tcpdump can write me a nice pcap file with all the binary data going over phonet | 23:38 |
| luke-jr | what I wonder is if I open that file up in Wireshark if it will explain the binary data to me | 23:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | how's a packet tcp over GPRS different to dissect than same packet TCP over e.g WLAN? | 23:38 |
| luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: who said TCP? | 23:38 |
| luke-jr | or GPRS? | 23:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | sorry you lost me | 23:39 |
| luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: phonet0 != gprs0 | 23:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | completely | 23:39 |
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| luke-jr | the answer is no | 23:41 |
| luke-jr | Wireshark has phonet packets 'unknown' | 23:41 |
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| * kirma notes that qt git repos seem to have pr1.3 related branches that are updated constantly | 23:42 | |
| DocScrutinizer | mhm | 23:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | .o=(???) | 23:42 |
| kirma | http://qt.gitorious.org/+qt-developers/qt/x11-maemo/commits/4.7-fremantle-pr1.3 at least | 23:44 |
| Tiagotiago | Wireshark is gimming only a bunch of SLL unicast packets, even when i make a call | 23:44 |
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| Tiagotiago | hm, a couple of "sent by us" packets popped in now | 23:45 |
| luke-jr | Tiagotiago: … | 23:45 |
| Tiagotiago | Wireshark is not helping me figure out if i have some hidden program eating up my credits :( | 23:45 |
| luke-jr | lol | 23:46 |
| Tiagotiago | what filter should i use to filter outgoing SMS' in Wireshark? | 23:47 |
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| SpeedEvil | umm... | 23:47 |
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| luke-jr | Tiagotiago: Wireshark doesn't understand phonet, I just said | 23:47 |
| Tiagotiago | oh | 23:48 |
| luke-jr | obviously it can't filter what it doesn't understand | 23:48 |
| SpeedEvil | When did these SMSs happen? | 23:48 |
| Tiagotiago | that is what you mean | 23:48 |
| SpeedEvil | And how many SMSs are there? | 23:48 |
| SpeedEvil | Was it one/tw at installation of 1.2 ? | 23:48 |
| SpeedEvil | tow | 23:48 |
| SpeedEvil | tow | 23:48 |
| SpeedEvil | tow | 23:48 |
| SpeedEvil | toe | 23:48 |
| luke-jr | /kick SpeedEvil | 23:48 |
| * SpeedEvil sighs. | 23:48 | |
| Tiagotiago | i dunno, i'm not even sure they are being sent at all, but my credit keeps trickling down | 23:48 |
| SpeedEvil | two | 23:48 |
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| SpeedEvil | Tiagotiago: Do you not have a online account monitoring at you phone provider that will tell you where your credit is going? | 23:49 |
| Tiagotiago | since i've mangled the username of the GPRS conection i don't think any program is using it, so that leaves me SMS | 23:49 |
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| Tiagotiago | i talked with the support yesterday they will be sending me the log of use of my account by snailmail in the next few days, the guy i talked with didn't knew why they don't offer the log online | 23:49 |
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| Tiagotiago | or can programs use their own GPRS connection indenpendent of the conetion defined in the control panel? | 23:51 |
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| timeless | offering logs online increases risk of accidental exposure | 23:53 |
| timeless | i wouldn't want my provider having logs available online | 23:53 |
| Tiagotiago | the good side is i didn't had much credits to start with, so even if i take several days to figure out what is going on, i'll jsut hit zero credits and not have lost much money (should be around 5 bucks total) | 23:53 |
| Tiagotiago | as long as they provide strong password and encryption etc, shouldn't be much of an issue | 23:54 |
| timeless | you're assuming they're competent | 23:54 |
| timeless | that's a terrible assumption | 23:54 |
| Tiagotiago | lol | 23:54 |
| Tiagotiago | yeah, they aren't | 23:54 |
| timeless | see! | 23:54 |
| timeless | silly guy | 23:54 |
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| timeless | if you know someone isn't competent, don't assume they are in your expectations o... | 23:55 |
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| Tiagotiago | but it would be aviable int he same place where i can do other things that would cost me money, so my account is already in danger anyway | 23:55 |
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| DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: phonet0==gprs0 * <whatever OTA protocol> | 23:55 |
| Tiagotiago | it's protected behind a 4 digits numeric password and a 4 char alphanumeric captcha though | 23:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | while phonet0 gives me -> SLL sent by us ; gprs0 works just fine | 23:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | now you might google for SLL if you feel like :-) | 23:57 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Sercure Link Layer? | 23:58 |
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