IRC log of #maemo for Wednesday, 2010-08-11

*** dos11 has joined #maemo00:00
*** dos11 has joined #maemo00:00
*** dos1 has quit IRC00:01
*** mece has left #maemo00:03
*** FredrIQ has quit IRC00:03
*** shamus has quit IRC00:06
*** C-S-B-N900 has joined #maemo00:07
*** user__ has joined #maemo00:08
*** user__ is now known as kwtm00:08
*** andre__ has joined #maemo00:08
*** trumee has joined #maemo00:10
*** setanta has quit IRC00:10
kwtmhi. reading this in tiny font on n900. Need help: error importing Python modules when I run Python script. Which directory are they in, on N900?00:12
*** ad-n770 has quit IRC00:13
*** guardian has quit IRC00:14
*** swo has joined #maemo00:14
*** SWFu has joined #maemo00:18
*** mrmoku is now known as mrmoku|away00:20
*** ArkanoiD has quit IRC00:20
keriokwtm: look in sys.path00:21
*** dvaske has quit IRC00:23
kwtmgood idea. thx kerio00:24
*** iDanny has quit IRC00:26
MohammadAGepic song in that quit message ^00:26
MohammadAGback to synaptic00:26
*** SiggyF has joined #maemo00:27
*** rd has joined #maemo00:27
*** igagis_ has quit IRC00:33
MohammadAGit compiles fine on scratchbox00:33
*** silbo_ has joined #maemo00:34
*** silbo has quit IRC00:35
*** vblazquez has quit IRC00:35
*** ohwhyme has joined #maemo00:36
*** hannesw has quit IRC00:37
*** vblazquez has joined #maemo00:37
*** DocScrutinizer has quit IRC00:37
*** DocScrutinizer has joined #maemo00:37
*** alextreme has joined #maemo00:38
*** benh has joined #maemo00:39
*** Vanadis has quit IRC00:39
*** chenca has quit IRC00:40
*** SiggyF has quit IRC00:40
*** aloisiojr has quit IRC00:42
*** ptlo has quit IRC00:44
*** ArkanoiD has joined #maemo00:44
*** panaggio has quit IRC00:46
*** mikki-kun has quit IRC00:46
tremnite all, sweet dreams00:46
*** trem has quit IRC00:47
*** mikki-kun has joined #maemo00:48
*** kwtm has quit IRC00:48
*** mikki-kun has quit IRC00:48
*** pablo2 has quit IRC00:51
*** diegohcg has quit IRC00:51
*** kthomas_vh has quit IRC00:54
*** dos11 has quit IRC00:55
*** rd has quit IRC00:55
*** zap_ has quit IRC01:00
*** MadViking has quit IRC01:05
*** aloisiojr has joined #maemo01:05
*** juliank has quit IRC01:05
*** muellisoft has joined #maemo01:07
*** richieeee72 has joined #maemo01:08
*** richieeee72 has left #maemo01:09
*** C-S-B-N900 has quit IRC01:09
*** vanadismobile has joined #maemo01:12
*** mikki-kun has joined #maemo01:13
*** crashanddie has joined #maemo01:13
*** crashanddie has joined #maemo01:14
*** muellisoft has quit IRC01:14
*** Funnyface has quit IRC01:15
*** crs_ has joined #maemo01:17
*** Guest62226 has joined #maemo01:17
*** Andy80 has joined #maemo01:18
*** Andy80 has quit IRC01:19
*** Andy80 has joined #maemo01:19
*** LjL has quit IRC01:19
*** LjL has joined #maemo01:20
*** LjL is now known as Guest9482901:20
*** Guest62226 has quit IRC01:22
*** crs_ is now known as crs01:22
*** crs has quit IRC01:22
*** crs has joined #maemo01:22
*** Guest62226 has joined #maemo01:23
*** Guest94829 has quit IRC01:24
*** ArkanoiD is now known as Arkenoi01:26
*** mikeos has quit IRC01:27
*** mk500 has quit IRC01:29
*** shamus has joined #maemo01:29
*** Guest62226 has quit IRC01:30
*** Guest62226 has joined #maemo01:30
*** SmilyOrg has joined #maemo01:35
*** MohammadAG has quit IRC01:38
*** Smily has quit IRC01:39
*** kthomas_vh has joined #maemo01:39
*** dvoid has quit IRC01:41
*** briglia has quit IRC01:42
*** wiretapped has quit IRC01:43
*** kthomas_vh has quit IRC01:43
*** kthomas_vh has joined #maemo01:44
*** aloisiojr has quit IRC01:46
*** hcarrega has quit IRC01:46
*** silbo_ has quit IRC01:47
*** Andy80 has quit IRC01:47
matthew-LOL i just saw OVI store advert01:48
*** benh has quit IRC01:49
Jucatoon TV?01:50
*** sepultina has quit IRC01:53
*** Guest62226 has quit IRC01:55
*** Guest62226 has joined #maemo01:55
*** Guest62226 is now known as LjL01:58
*** mlfoster has quit IRC01:58
*** Andy80 has joined #maemo02:00
*** habmala has quit IRC02:01
*** mc_teo has quit IRC02:04
*** SpeedEvil has quit IRC02:05
*** MohammadAG has joined #maemo02:05
*** Sargun has joined #maemo02:05
*** liori has quit IRC02:05
*** spinningcompass has joined #maemo02:09
*** Ryback_ has quit IRC02:12
*** _trine has quit IRC02:12
*** _trine has joined #maemo02:13
*** benh has joined #maemo02:14
*** MohammadAG has quit IRC02:14
*** TermanaN900 has joined #maemo02:16
TermanaN900good morning02:17
*** fmeyer has joined #maemo02:18
*** fmeyer has quit IRC02:18
*** andre__ has quit IRC02:18
*** fmeyer has joined #maemo02:19
*** fmeyer has quit IRC02:19
*** fmeyer has joined #maemo02:19
spinningcompassTermanaN900: Word.02:20
*** fmeyer has joined #maemo02:21
*** fmeyer has joined #maemo02:22
*** fmeyer has joined #maemo02:22
*** chadi has joined #maemo02:22
*** fmeyer has joined #maemo02:22
*** fmeyer has quit IRC02:22
*** fmeyer has joined #maemo02:23
*** achipa has joined #maemo02:23
*** fmeyer has joined #maemo02:23
*** LjL has quit IRC02:23
*** fmeyer has joined #maemo02:23
achipa~isoffline maemo.org02:24
*** TermanaN900 has quit IRC02:24
achipawell, you get the idea, even if the infobot doesn't :)02:24
*** Flyser has joined #maemo02:26
*** mlfoster has joined #maemo02:26
*** Wamanuz2 has quit IRC02:27
*** vltR has joined #maemo02:27
*** incar has joined #maemo02:28
*** jayabharath has quit IRC02:28
*** LjL has joined #maemo02:29
*** LjL is now known as Guest2959302:29
*** udovdh has quit IRC02:30
*** johnsq has quit IRC02:30
*** willer_ has quit IRC02:30
achipaaaand its back02:30
*** achipa has quit IRC02:30
*** [DarkGUNMAN] has joined #maemo02:33
*** SWFu has quit IRC02:34
*** udovdh has joined #maemo02:36
*** incar has quit IRC02:36
*** Flyser has quit IRC02:40
*** Flyser has joined #maemo02:40
*** wazd has quit IRC02:40
*** SpeedEvil has joined #maemo02:41
*** crashanddie has quit IRC02:46
*** fmeyer has quit IRC02:49
*** Flyser_ has joined #maemo02:49
*** Flyser has quit IRC02:50
*** Flyser_ has quit IRC02:51
*** florian has quit IRC02:51
*** ohwhyme2 has joined #maemo02:58
*** Mousey has quit IRC02:59
*** ohwhyme has quit IRC02:59
*** Flyser has joined #maemo03:00
*** ZR13 has joined #maemo03:01
*** Termana has joined #maemo03:01
*** liori has joined #maemo03:03
*** tackat has quit IRC03:05
*** mitsutaka has joined #maemo03:06
*** SpeedEvil has quit IRC03:07
*** SpeedEvil has joined #maemo03:10
*** setanta has joined #maemo03:11
*** FireFly|n900 has joined #maemo03:14
*** tonikitoo has joined #maemo03:15
*** Mr_Nobu has joined #maemo03:21
*** lbt has quit IRC03:21
*** aloisiojr has joined #maemo03:22
*** mlfoster has quit IRC03:27
*** kkb110 has quit IRC03:28
*** Flyser has quit IRC03:32
*** panaggio has joined #maemo03:33
*** setanta has quit IRC03:33
*** NishanthMenon has quit IRC03:34
*** Flyser has joined #maemo03:34
*** b-man17 has quit IRC03:35
*** b-man` has quit IRC03:37
*** lbt has joined #maemo03:39
*** Milhouse has quit IRC03:39
*** gSh_m3 has joined #maemo03:40
*** jayabharath has joined #maemo03:40
*** lbt has quit IRC03:44
*** Flyser has quit IRC03:45
*** gSh_m3 has quit IRC03:45
*** pinheiro has quit IRC03:51
*** Termana has quit IRC03:54
*** Milhouse has joined #maemo03:54
*** eMHa has quit IRC03:57
*** nox-- has joined #maemo03:57
*** nox- has quit IRC03:58
*** nox-- is now known as nox-03:59
*** eMHa has joined #maemo03:59
*** lbt has joined #maemo04:00
*** chadi has quit IRC04:02
*** Andy80 has quit IRC04:04
*** hardaker2 has quit IRC04:15
*** sheepbat has joined #maemo04:17
*** edisson has quit IRC04:19
*** Suiseiseki has quit IRC04:28
*** nox- has quit IRC04:29
pigeonis there a media/music player on the n900 that can do id3 tag (mp3) editing?04:33
Macerfmms is pretty good :)04:33
Maceror should i say it works at least04:34
*** marciom has joined #maemo04:35
*** b-man` has joined #maemo04:39
*** b-man` is now known as b-man|vacation04:39
pigeonah, mussorgsky can do what i need.04:42
*** slonopotamus has joined #maemo04:43
pigeonand it supports album art grabbing from the net too, cool04:44
*** ohwhyme2 has quit IRC04:46
*** slonopotamus has quit IRC04:49
*** kthomas_vh has quit IRC05:07
*** Rhoruns has joined #maemo05:07
*** luizirber has quit IRC05:11
*** Mr_Nobu has quit IRC05:15
*** kthomas_vh has joined #maemo05:16
*** g55 has quit IRC05:18
*** rcg1 has joined #maemo05:19
*** rcg has quit IRC05:21
*** sheepbat has quit IRC05:21
*** Suiseiseki has joined #maemo05:22
*** g55 has joined #maemo05:25
*** bef0rd has joined #maemo05:25
*** Suiseiseki has quit IRC05:30
*** swc|666 has joined #maemo05:33
*** ml-mobile has joined #maemo05:42
*** b-man17 has joined #maemo05:42
*** pcfe has quit IRC05:50
*** pcfe has joined #maemo05:51
*** pcfe has quit IRC05:51
*** pcfe has joined #maemo05:51
*** Suiseiseki has joined #maemo05:52
*** TermanaN900 has joined #maemo05:52
*** hcm has quit IRC05:56
*** hcm has joined #maemo05:57
*** dockane has joined #maemo06:00
*** panaggio has quit IRC06:00
*** dockane_ has quit IRC06:03
*** Mr_Nobu has joined #maemo06:05
*** Mr_Nobu has quit IRC06:05
*** setanta has joined #maemo06:12
*** jayabharath has quit IRC06:14
*** marciom has quit IRC06:19
*** marciom has joined #maemo06:22
*** marciom has quit IRC06:23
*** prometoys has joined #maemo06:24
*** prometoys has left #maemo06:24
*** ml-mobile has quit IRC06:24
*** Lateralus has quit IRC06:26
*** Lateralus has joined #maemo06:27
*** Gh0sty has quit IRC06:30
*** Gh0sty has joined #maemo06:30
*** setanta has quit IRC06:31
*** dolp has joined #maemo06:36
*** MacDrunk has joined #maemo06:39
*** TermanaN900 has quit IRC06:40
*** hari_ has joined #maemo06:47
*** dolp has quit IRC06:51
*** kkb110 has joined #maemo06:52
*** TermanaN900 has joined #maemo06:52
*** jophish has joined #maemo06:53
*** Ezisto has quit IRC06:56
*** trumee has quit IRC06:56
*** marciom has joined #maemo06:56
*** slonopotamus has joined #maemo06:57
*** TermanaN900 has quit IRC06:59
*** trumee has joined #maemo07:00
*** TermanaN900 has joined #maemo07:06
*** avs has joined #maemo07:13
*** aloril has quit IRC07:14
*** b-man17 has quit IRC07:18
*** doc|home has joined #maemo07:22
*** MadViking has joined #maemo07:23
*** timoph|away is now known as timoph07:25
*** aloril has joined #maemo07:27
*** kkb110 has quit IRC07:28
TermanaN900Someone blames Symbian for the mistakes of maemo07:28
* RST38h yawns: people tend to blame (and get offended) by wrong things07:29
*** avs has quit IRC07:29
RST38hThe original guy who created the poll did not try blaming council for anything. He simply questioned council's relevancy07:29
*** Sargun has quit IRC07:31
*** DocScrutinizer has quit IRC07:32
*** DocScrutinizer has joined #maemo07:32
*** marciom has quit IRC07:33
*** b-man17 has joined #maemo07:35
*** slonopotamus has quit IRC07:38
*** Finnish has joined #maemo07:40
*** tonikitoo has left #maemo07:40
Stskeepswow, tmo really went downhill after last night07:47
*** SpeedEvil has quit IRC07:48
RST38hmoo Doc07:48
RST38hSts: last night? really? :)07:48
*** SpeedEvil has joined #maemo07:49
StskeepsRST38h: the bye bye nokia thread makes for ample entertainment07:49
TermanaN900Stskeeps: Tmo has been down hill for a long time :P07:50
TermanaN900The thread may have given it a push07:50
RST38hSts: I should start ordering popcorn via the Net.07:50
RST38hSts: It is especially entertaining to keep track of the join dates ;)07:51
konfooheh - 'how impotent this structure is'07:51
konfoogood ole tmo07:51
*** slonopotamus has joined #maemo07:51
konfoospewing sewage at every opportunity07:51
*** tekojo has joined #maemo07:52
RST38hSts: "How can I disable screen rotation animation? (Feb 2010) -- You cannot do it in Maemo5, if you do it, it will break your phone. (Aug 2010)"07:53
TermanaN900Break :P heh07:54
RST38hok, ttg07:56
*** mrmoku|a` has joined #maemo08:02
*** aloisiojr has quit IRC08:02
*** mrmoku|away has quit IRC08:04
*** ferdna has joined #maemo08:05
*** villev has joined #maemo08:06
DocScrutinizerdamn, no more microwave popcorn :-S08:10
GAN900silvermountain is damn good at putting one in a good mood.08:11
GAN900TermanaN900, Symbian HAS hurt Maemo08:11
DocScrutinizerleme edit that08:11
GAN900At the management level08:11
TermanaN900GAN900: im listening08:12
TermanaN900Tell me how symbian itself made this happen08:13
GAN900TermanaN900, Symbian as a product takes resources and focus away from Maemo.08:13
GAN900If Symbian didn't exist, or the dinosaurs in management weren't just that then Maemo could've been where it is today 2 years ago.08:14
*** Cy8aer has joined #maemo08:14
*** Ordog_by has joined #maemo08:14
GAN900Why was the N900 dropped like a rock? Why is Maemo 5 a flaky piece of shit? Because Symbian exists.08:14
GAN900It comes down to management and its attitudes.08:15
GAN900Take those away (or change them) and you have real opportunity to succeed.08:15
GAN900Otherwise you end up here.08:16
*** vanadismobile has quit IRC08:17
hatake_kakashisymbian is a piece of fail, which is why nokia dropped it out of N series08:17
hatake_kakashiapart from n8 which will be the last shitian to bear N series marking08:18
*** HarryS has quit IRC08:18
TermanaN900Here is what exactly? I dont know about you, but here for me is getting MeeGo thanks to Nokia paying a team to do it and here is also having Android if MeeGo bums out08:18
*** HarryS has joined #maemo08:18
*** spinningcompass has quit IRC08:18
TermanaN900Here is ok for me. Not perfect but ok08:18
GAN900Here is years behind where it should be08:20
hatake_kakashiif I wanted a police state OS on a phone I don't need to look for shitty symbian, I'd look for apple iOS, blackberry, win mobile, etc08:20
*** raster has quit IRC08:20
GAN900Here is repeatedly pissing in the faces of you staunchest supports and LOYAL customers08:20
GAN900Here is delivering a platform is unstable, underfeatured, and generally not competitive in the market.08:21
GAN900Here is having the core of your community come apart not once, but THREE times over the course of five years08:22
hatake_kakashithe maemo platform was not really particularly aiming at the mainstream market, its aimed at users who know what they want out of it not some idiot who thinks the device can do literally everything08:22
GAN900and only managing to continue on thanks to there being no other viable options in the market.08:22
hatake_kakashiand symbian has been epically closed since the dawn of time until they managed to open their asses to the market08:23
Stskeepsyou know, i'm starting to think that the moment language like 'pissing on it's customers' came instead of collaboration to make things happen, was the moment lost it's ways. it's hard collaborating with people who's initial stance is that nokia is a big evil monolith. when in fact, it's mostly structured out of open source developers (from maemo side)08:23
GAN900hatake_kakashi, a fault of management.08:23
GAN900Stskeeps, management has made that impossible.08:23
hatake_kakashiGAN900, a fault of management is only because of nokia, not because of maemo.. maemo is just a software platform08:23
*** zap_ has joined #maemo08:24
GAN900It's awfully hard to continue investing energy in collaboration when management does everything it can to make it painful and unrewarding.08:24
GAN900Good people work for a lot of broken and bad organizations08:24
lpotterhmmm... ever hear about open governance?08:25
GAN900It doesn't excuse those organizations.08:25
hatake_kakashiit happens, its not an ideal world we live in.. if you want that you can dream of utopia08:25
GAN900hatake_kakashi, trust me I get it.08:25
*** raster has joined #maemo08:26
* GAN900 starts marking off days until the election.08:27
*** doc|home has quit IRC08:27
*** murrayc has joined #maemo08:27
*** net`split has joined #maemo08:29
*** net`split is now known as net_split08:29
net_split*wraghs* i'm getting nuts...08:29
*** sheepbat has joined #maemo08:29
net_splithow the **** can i get the monitor mode and injections working on n900....08:31
Wolfiedamn cat08:31
*** spinningcompass has joined #maemo08:31
hatake_kakashimonitor mode = titan's power kernel.. injection = not available08:31
hatake_kakashicorrection, its available, when neopwn2 comes out08:32
net_splitapparently injection can work08:32
hatake_kakashiread above ^ ^ ^08:32
net_spliti do.  i do08:32
hatake_kakashiand that's just a blog about rfmon08:33
*** spinningcompass has quit IRC08:33
hatake_kakashirfmon = monitor mode08:33
net_splitbut why does aireplay -9 work?08:34
*** b-man|vacation has quit IRC08:34
*** mrmoku|a` is now known as mrmoku08:34
*** Vanadis_Work has joined #maemo08:35
net_splitas far as i see on the related screenshots injection is working08:35
hatake_kakashithey're not working on the current version (PR1.2) test for yourself and see08:36
net_spliti did. thats why i asked08:37
*** Ford_Prefect has joined #maemo08:37
net_splitok. i see... the post is from 200908:37
*** derf has quit IRC08:38
*** slonopotamus has quit IRC08:38
*** derf has joined #maemo08:38
*** slonopotamus has joined #maemo08:40
*** wazd has joined #maemo08:41
*** crashanddie has joined #maemo08:44
*** crashanddie has quit IRC08:44
hatake_kakashiso my view remains true :p monitor/rfmon = titan's power kernel, injection = neopwnv208:46
net_splityes. thanks08:47
net_splitmonitor mode is working with titans power kernel now08:47
net_splitstill wondering why injection was possible in previous versions08:47
*** wazd has quit IRC08:50
*** wazd has joined #maemo08:50
Stskeepsmorn wazd08:50
wazdStskeeps: heya :)08:50
*** Cervajz has joined #maemo08:53
*** tackat has joined #maemo08:53
luke-jrStskeeps: how can I get battery info? :P08:53
luke-jr/sys/class/power_supply is always an empty dir08:53
*** TermanaN900 has quit IRC08:54
Stskeepsluke-jr: usual problem re battery stuff08:54
luke-jreverything Google finds is success08:55
*** rmoravcik has joined #maemo08:55
Stskeepsluke-jr: bme08:58
*** Texrat has joined #maemo09:02
Texratany popcorn left?09:02
*** [DarkGUNMAN] has quit IRC09:02
Texratscratch that-- anyone awake?09:03
StskeepsTexrat: morn dude09:03
*** hannesw has joined #maemo09:03
Texratfeeling all cathartic now09:03
Texrathey X-Fade09:03
Stskeepsanother day of work ahead for me - fixing rotation/portrait issue in meego, testing out data connectivity over gpr09:03
Texratyou are the man stskeeps09:03
fralsoh, that reminds me.. i should probably go to work soon09:04
Stskeepsand headdesking over tmo, it seems like09:04
Texratsorry for goign overboard09:04
*** mrmoku is now known as mrmoku|away09:04
Texratfeeling a bit hyper after applying for another job today09:04
DocScrutinizerlo Texrat09:04
X-FadeWorking on community OBS over 3G today it seems, always interesting ;)09:05
Texratlo DocScrutinizer09:05
TexratGAN900 leave?09:05
fralsTexrat: noticed on my twitterfeed, crossing fingers for you (and for decreased spam on my twitterfeed from you ;-))09:05
StskeepsTexrat: thanks for the meego greeters stuff - looks great so far09:05
Texratthanks frals.  Thank God people at work don't twitter09:05
GAN900Texrat, almost dead.09:05
ds3hey frals09:06
Texratawesome.  let's finish GAN900 off09:06
X-FadeGAN900: Sleep is for the weak? :)09:06
ds3has there been any reports of fmms breakage on TMO?09:06
fralsds3: uh, not that ive seen.. breakage how?09:06
*** danielwilms has joined #maemo09:06
Texratwait: this instead:
GAN900Overslept yesterday09:06
Texrathey danielwilms09:07
Texratwhat is this 'sleep' thing09:07
ds3frals: donno... I just noticed a few days ago that the autoconverted messages for TMO seems to never get received09:07
Texratthanks stskeeps re Greeters09:07
Texratglad it's becomign relevant09:07
*** mece has joined #maemo09:07
GAN900silvermountain's thread put me in a mood not conducive to sleep.09:07
ds3frals: trying to figure out if it is a known breakage or if it is the power user kernel or if something else amiss09:07
danielwilmsTexrat: morning09:07
fralsds3: dont think i follow what you mean09:08
meceOMG Texrat09:08
* mece runs09:08
TexratOMG mece09:08
* Texrat runs after09:08
* Texrat brandishes +20 sword of instant annhilation09:08
fralscrap, the two biggest spammers in my twitterfeed in irc at the same time... this aint gonna end well09:08
ds3frals: TMO automatically converts SMS to MMS under certain conditions... I don't seem to receive teh MMS messages anymore if they meet the conversion conditions09:08
* Texrat swings09:08
ds3frals: so I am trying to trouble shoot. I did change out my kernel for the mobilehotspot app but last i checked, that didn't matter09:09
* mece ducks09:09
fralsds3: uh, dunno.. does anything show up in /tmp/fmms.log?09:09
slonopotamusif something ducks like a duck, it's definitely mece09:09
fralsds3: it should say something like "sms push received" and some debugging info after that whenever a mms notification is recvd, if it doesnt show up there chances are the mms never makes it to the phone09:09
TexratI was aiming to quack his skull09:10
frals(or something in your new kernel breaks /sbin/wappushd)09:10
mecesooo.. what's new and exciting?09:10
ds3ah, yes, I see that09:10
Texrattmo wars!09:10
Texratit's vogue now to hate on the council09:10
Texratif I' going to be a despised politician, dammit, I want the bribes and women too!09:11
ds3those were from failed sends...09:11
ds3let me send a test.09:11
mecetexrat, well it's just people who have never clicked any other link up there than the "TALK" link, so who cares?09:12
*** msanchez has joined #maemo09:12
ds3sigh... the test message works09:12
ds3I'll watch fmms.log next time09:13
meceunless you count qwerty's emo quit09:13
Texratqwerty's emo quit was almost epic09:14
Texratjust laxked... something09:14
Texratlacked too09:14
*** SpeedEvil has quit IRC09:15
*** SpeedEvil has joined #maemo09:15
Stskeepswhy does people seem to think his rant included a lash out against you, texrat? well, except for the council in general09:15
Texratit did stskeeps09:16
Texratmayeb he disguised it well though09:16
Stskeepsdid you ever wikipedia benedict arnold?09:16
Texratthat wasn't just it09:16
TexratI knew who Benedict was anyway-- funny thing is that's not my true last name.  Stepdad's ;)09:17
* DocScrutinizer sneaks over a suitcase of virtual credits to Texrat - written 'BRIBE' on it in BIG RED letters09:17
Texratqwerty had some other dig at me... forget it offhand.  I was more pissed that he slammed attila77, et al09:17
Texratwho would slam attila77?  seriously09:18
TexratIf I was a woman I would have Attila's baby.  What a freaking genius it would be09:19
* Stskeeps shrugs and gets on with work, too busy for politics09:19
*** net_split has quit IRC09:21
meceStskeeps, we were actually talking about the cauncil.. (a bit late answer, I know)09:21
infobotmece meant: Stskeeps, we were actually talking about the council.. (a bit late answer, I know)09:21
TexratJaffa just added a very thoughtful post to the discussion at tmo09:23
Texratto balance out my bitching at silvermountain09:23
*** bouteilledelait has quit IRC09:26
*** Yoann512 has quit IRC09:26
Texratword out to all Maemo/MeeGo developers and infrastructure supporters: THANK YOU!09:26
*** avs has joined #maemo09:26
Stskeepsi still maintain the giraffe phases are in full swing09:27
*** slonopotamus has quit IRC09:27
*** guardian has joined #maemo09:27
*** crashanddie has joined #maemo09:30
*** crashanddie has quit IRC09:30
*** hannesw has quit IRC09:32
luke-jrStskeeps: what does BME have to do with sysfs?09:34
Stskeepsluke-jr: well, there's no kernel interface for battery info then09:34
*** guardian has quit IRC09:35
luke-jrand of course BME doesn't run w/o a bunch of ridiculous deps09:37
*** MacDrunk has quit IRC09:38
Stskeepsyour view of a ridicolous dep is gconf09:39
luke-jrof course, gconf is ridiculous09:39
luke-jrit's part of GNOME proper09:40
luke-jrI don't want that crap on my system09:40
*** eMHa has quit IRC09:40
*** ml-mobile has joined #maemo09:44
*** retry has quit IRC09:44
luke-jrStskeeps: I see nothing in drivers/power/bq27x00_battery.c suggesting BME is needed09:45
DocScrutinizerStskeeps: (giraffe) My take on it:
*** jpe_glider has joined #maemo09:45
DocScrutinizerluke-jr: bme and sysfs are 2 separate things09:46
*** murrayc has quit IRC09:46
luke-jrDocScrutinizer: Stskeeps just implicated BME :p09:46
*** nicu has joined #maemo09:46
luke-jrDocScrutinizer: so any idea how to get sysfs to work?09:46
DocScrutinizersure, write decent drivers for bq27200, and of course for the generic battery/power sysnodes09:47
luke-jrwhat about bq27x00_battery?09:48
DocScrutinizersorry, not completely awake yet. Dunno about bq27x00_battery09:48
luke-jrand I'm falling asleep09:48
DocScrutinizerjust know there's a rather rudimentary bq27200 sysnode driver in power kernel09:49
luke-jrpresumably the same one I'm talking about that doesn't do anything09:49
DocScrutinizerand seem to recall the power/battery sysnodes are borked or missing completely09:49
*** geaaru has joined #maemo09:49
*** Rhoruns has quit IRC09:50
DocScrutinizergeneral notion sems to be userland must not access sysnodes (debatably) and this has to go to hal. OTOH I heard hal is dead09:50
*** deegee__ has quit IRC09:50
hatake_kakashiyeah old news, xorg1.8 is already HAL-free09:51
*** Texrat has quit IRC09:51
*** kwek has joined #maemo09:54
*** trumee has quit IRC09:54
*** ppenz has joined #maemo09:55
*** NGNUton-B is now known as gnuton09:55
*** gnuton has joined #maemo09:56
*** benh has quit IRC09:56
*** nas_ has joined #maemo09:56
DocScrutinizerso actually we face some problem here, as there is *no* kernel part of bme (despite some say there is) - afaik - and otoh probably jrbme should create those sysnodes to deliver prover figures about charge state of battery etc, and also to control charging mode, boost mode etc. but then jrbme is clearly a userland project09:56
*** swc|666 has quit IRC09:56
Stskeepscouldn't jrbme technically be a kernel driver though?09:57
DocScrutinizersure could09:57
DocScrutinizerit's just getting much more ambitious09:58
JaffaMorning, all09:58
*** sheepbat has quit IRC09:58
DocScrutinizerreplacing hal-addon-bme by hal-addon-jrbme for sure is much easier09:58
DocScrutinizermoo Jaffa09:58
Wolfiethis should be interesting enough for the people around here to warrant a paste:
*** dvaske has joined #maemo09:59
*** Sargun has joined #maemo09:59
DocScrutinizerthough arguably all those hal-addon-* are botches09:59
*** bouteilledelait has joined #maemo09:59
*** crashanddie has joined #maemo10:00
*** TermanaN900 has joined #maemo10:01
*** Yoann512 has joined #maemo10:02
DocScrutinizerfor anybody interested in it: look at OM and how it's done there - same bq27000 chip (just in battery where it belongs) and kernel driver reading out that chip and creating some standard conforming sysnodes for it10:02
DocScrutinizerthe driver for dumb GTA01 battery is just replacing the bq27000 parts by some rather cute guesswork paulfertser implemented10:03
DocScrutinizeraiui hal is reading these sysnodes to present the notorious lines in lshal10:04
DocScrutinizerbut that would mean we need to fix hal-addon-bme to do the right thing (reading sysnodes) rather than talking to hal on bme's behalf. Or we fix hal itself10:05
DocScrutinizertoo much before my 2nd yet to have coffee kicks in10:06
*** ag0ny has joined #maemo10:06
*** andrenarchy has joined #maemo10:08
*** geaaru has quit IRC10:09
DocScrutinizerand in general...10:09
infobotbatteryfaq is probably
DocScrutinizeronce more :-D10:09
DocScrutinizeralso tangents that topic10:10
JaffaHa. In my response to silvermountain's "Nokia representative in the forum" I've got a Thanks for Peter :-)10:10
*** geaaru has joined #maemo10:11
DocScrutinizer  ff10:12
*** SmilyOrg has quit IRC10:12
*** ftrvxmtrx has quit IRC10:12
*** SmilyOrg has joined #maemo10:13
*** achipa has joined #maemo10:13
*** hannesw has joined #maemo10:13
*** SWFu has joined #maemo10:13
*** dvoid has joined #maemo10:13
meceJaffa, I like how mmurfin87 proved your point :D10:14
*** retro|cz has joined #maemo10:15
Jaffamece: Without even knowing it :)10:15
*** masterhumper is now known as sejo10:15
*** tbf has joined #maemo10:16
meceJaffa, also "How important am I to the Council and the community at large?" made me LOL10:16
meceoh noes! abill_uk is viewing the thread! RUN!10:16
*** ptlo has joined #maemo10:21
* achipa runs to the hills10:24
* achipa realizes the nearest hills are about 130km away10:24
DocScrutinizerStskeeps: (kernel jrbme) as soon as paul fertser gets his developers device, I'm rather sure, with a *little* help from nokia regarding requirement specs for BL-5J charging management, we will see a devent kernel drive in almost no time10:24
DocScrutinizerdecent even10:25
DocScrutinizerand driver10:25
*** nas_ has left #maemo10:26
*** Cervajz has quit IRC10:27
*** Modeless has joined #maemo10:28
*** Cervajz has joined #maemo10:28
*** wiretapped has joined #maemo10:29
*** PhonicUK has joined #maemo10:31
*** Modeless has quit IRC10:32
*** h0n3st has joined #maemo10:33
*** ToJa92 has joined #maemo10:35
*** andre__ has joined #maemo10:35
*** h0n3st has left #maemo10:35
*** _0x47 has quit IRC10:36
*** _0x47 has joined #maemo10:36
*** eMHa has joined #maemo10:37
timelessanyone here familiar w/ hkl's transit cards?10:39
mecehey does qml work on N900?10:39
timelessi think i accidentally told it i'm a child10:39
timelesshow do i tell it to stop?10:39
* mece just saw a demo and dropped his jaw10:39
timelessmece: what kind of question is that?10:39
timelessqml is presumably parsed by qt4.6+'s xml parser10:40
mecetimeless, so... yes?10:40
timelesswhich presumably makes it into some useful dom10:40
timelessand does things the same way qt would on any other platform..10:40
timelesshelsinki transit10:41
mecetimeless, umm..k. righty-o. Well, that does sound like... Well it sounds like victory10:41
timelesshrm, this n900's running low on power10:41
DocScrutinizertimeless: cought in a driverless taxi and autopilot doesn't accept your requests as you answered "I'm under 14" ?10:42
timelesson a train10:42
timelessand i've now paid 2x 1.70eur instead of 1x 2.50eur10:42
fragmenttimeless: just stop talking to the card and you'll be fine10:42
*** CiroIp has joined #maemo10:42
*** amigadave has joined #maemo10:42
DocScrutinizertimeless: you have to silently sit and wait until it stps for recharge :-P10:42
timelessfragment: how long do i have to do that?10:43
*** ohwhyme has joined #maemo10:43
meceis there no cancel button on that thing?10:43
timelessthere are four buttons10:43
timelessL 1 2 310:43
fragmenttimeless: that is the range, not "child/adult"10:44
timelesswell, sometimes there's a 010:44
DocScrutinizertimeless: then when it stops you kick the autopilot to oblivion and break a windhield to get out of it10:44
* timeless offers docs anS10:44
Stskeepstimeless: isn't there a time difference in the ticket price?10:44
timelesstrade me a space for it?10:44
Stskeepslike, rush hour vs not10:45
fragmenttimeless: where are you going to and from?10:45
timelesssts: please forgive me for not having a clue10:45
* DocScrutinizer stops that ...10:45
timelesscentral railway10:45
timelesshelsinki immigration police10:45
timelessvia a K train, i think10:45
fragmenttimeless: if you are travelling only inside helsinki, always use 110:45
fragmenttimeless: if you go from espoo to helsinki for example, use 210:46
timelessfragment: yeah yeah10:46
timelessbut how do i  undo L?10:46
timelessthe 1 part i know, but i accidentally hit L10:46
timelessand now it's treating me like a child10:46
*** Finnish has quit IRC10:46
timelessor a pair of children10:46
timelessah, conductor person10:46
DocScrutinizerhello you two :-D10:46
mecetimeless, cry halp :D10:46
fragmenttimeless: the L area is espoo/vantaa/whatever but not helsinki10:46
*** ohwhyme has quit IRC10:47
*** guardian has joined #maemo10:47
timelessconductor useless10:48
fragmenttimeless: :D10:48
timelessmece: my thoughts exactly10:48
timelessfragment: i know what L0123 do10:48
DocScrutinizertimeless: you simply have to pass future controls in two halves ;-D10:49
timelesswhat i don't know is how to get the card to *forget* L10:49
fragmenttimeless: well, I'm not sure if you can cancel it, you could try pressing 1 but it might charge you again10:49
Stskeepsoverride it?10:49
timelessit did charge me again10:49
timelessas i said, i'm now *two* children10:49
DocScrutinizerhit the hige [C] button?10:49
fragmenttimeless: or just forget it and act like a tourist if a conductor asks ;D10:49
*** sergio__ has joined #maemo10:49
timelessoff to see the police10:50
mecetimeless, install the latest meego snapshot on it, then write a program that removes the L and run it. As root.10:50
timelessright, because these boxes are unlocked and don't require signed firmware10:51
timelesshrm "where am i?"10:51
*** zap_ has quit IRC10:51
meceI think you'll do best with the vehicle entertainment version of meego, since you're in a vehicle, and we're entertained.10:51
DocScrutinizer>>don't IRC and drive<<10:52
meceDocScrutinizer, I don't think timeless is actually driving the train.10:52
fragmentwhy not10:52
timelessi don't have a driver's license10:53
mecefragment, ^^10:53
timelessbesides, the train just left the station without  me10:53
* timeless climbs stairs10:53
timelesswell, it's a good thing10:53
meceso.. did you miss it or get to the station before you got things sorted?10:53
meceah, ok :)10:54
* DocScrutinizer feels like participating in a MUD10:54
timelessthey don't always check tickets10:54
timelessbut the fine is 40 or 80 eur, i can't recall10:54
*** tbf has quit IRC10:55
meceI got fined in Norway once, because the train forgot to stop at my station, so I had to take another train back, and it was outside my zone. I yelled at the guy fining me a little. Also wrote an angry letter and didn't pay anything.10:55
*** ayanes has joined #maemo10:55
timelessi overshot in paris like that10:56
*** geaaru has quit IRC10:56
timelessand then i realized i had an interrail ass which i think covered uit10:56
fragmentmece: and now you're banned from norway?:)10:56
timelessso i had been wasting money buying tickets10:56
timeless@final dest10:57
timelessenter queue of doom10:57
DocScrutinizertimeless: inventory10:57
mecefragment, no, my angry letter was so angry that they waived the fine.10:57
timeless1 charged n90010:57
kerioi vote jrbme becomes a kernel driver10:58
timeless1 nearly empty n90010:58
timeless1 mbp10:58
timeless1 heavy laptop enabled backpack10:58
timeless1 usb card reader10:58
*** tbf has joined #maemo10:58
timeless2 usb sticks10:58
keriomy wallcharger broke :(10:58
timeless1 wallet10:58
crashanddietimeless: no smartcard readers?10:58
timeless0 wall chargers10:58
DocScrutinizerkerio: mine as well10:59
crashanddieerr, no smartcards to go with the reader10:59
LiraNunahey guys, anyone knows what "usb_bulk_write: Resource temporarily unavailable" means?10:59
kerioonce i get back home i'll send everything to nokia10:59
timeless4 in wallet, 1 in reader10:59
LiraNunaI'm trying to send the meego kernel to my N90010:59
fragmentbtw here is a demo for the N900:
LiraNunahere's a full output ->
*** ftrvxmtrx has joined #maemo10:59
timelessthe one in reader has an unknown passphrase10:59
timelesswhich is somewhat problematic :o10:59
crashanddietimeless: just bin it11:00
timelessif not at least fairly useless11:00
keriohalfbroken vibra, broken red led, broken wallcharger...11:00
crashanddietimeless: well, unless you have the master key11:00
keriothat should be enough for a full substitution, right?11:00
crashanddietimeless: if you have the master key, you can send the needed APDUs to kill the APP and USER ROM11:00
timelesskerio: my real n900 has a broken top frame11:00
*** CiroIp has left #maemo11:01
DocScrutinizerkerio: maybe11:01
keriohmm, i need to find more problems11:01
*** dvaske has quit IRC11:01
keriomy screen is scratched11:01
timelesscrashanddie: are these things i can likely find easily on an inactive w7 partition?11:01
crashanddietimeless: no11:01
crashanddietimeless: you need specific tools, specific codes11:01
DocScrutinizerkerio: scratched screen doesn't help11:02
timelessthe person sitting next to me has been here for probably gt5mins11:02
kerioDocScrutinizer: i know, but i need a replace :)11:02
timelessshe finally leans across the table to the person across11:02
*** JoeBrain has joined #maemo11:03
crashanddietimeless: the tool, I may happen to, I dunno, dump it on an FTP and mistakenly dump you the link to it, you know, by accident11:03
*** dvoid has quit IRC11:03
timelessit seems they know eachother quite well11:03
crashanddietimeless: the codes, depends on the model and vendor of smartcard11:03
keriohmm... internal battery doesn't hold a charge11:03
timelessis that something one can determine from the printed bits on the card?11:03
crashanddieyeah, on the side where the magstrip is, either top right or lower left11:03
*** AD-N770 has joined #maemo11:04
timelesskinda long11:04
crashanddiewell, you can also get the model and vendor using specific APDUs, but you need the tools first :P11:04
crashanddietimeless: gimme the 5 last numbers/letters11:04
kerioDocScrutinizer: red led is MIA, vibra gets stuck often, internal battery can't hold a charge, wallcharger is broken, and let's also say the battery life feels shorter11:05
keriois that enough?11:05
* DocScrutinizer shrugs11:05
DocScrutinizerfor me it'd be, dunno about your dealer11:05
keriomy dealer?11:06
DocScrutinizerthen I guess sou'll get a repair, no full swap11:06
keriobut my screen is scratched!11:07
kerioand by that i mean that it had some defects that have materialized as scratches11:07
DocScrutinizeryes, and you'll get everything new, except the scratched screen :-P11:07
kerio:( :( :(11:07
timelesslow battery11:07
* DocScrutinizer hit's "save game"11:08
*** kthomas_vh has quit IRC11:08
keriook, what can i do to get a screen replace?11:08
*** geaaru has joined #maemo11:08
DocScrutinizer"computer! save scene "crashandie at station" to storage, and end program"11:09
kerio"the touchscreen sometimes feels unresponsive!"11:09
kerioi love that word, "sometimes"11:09
*** benh has joined #maemo11:09
crashanddieDocScrutinizer: we went to PM :P11:09
crashanddieDocScrutinizer: I'm thinking you would thoroughly enjoy working with smart cards11:10
*** florian_kc has joined #maemo11:11
albancbarisione, lcuk, X-Fade : Monorail 0.4 is still not on extras-devel, although it was uploaded yesterday and I got the mail from "Maemo Extras Builder" saying it compiled fine11:11
crashanddieDocScrutinizer: if you're interested in going into infosec, I can get you a lunchtime meeting with previous colleagues of mine, there's a couple of offices in germany11:11
*** florian_kc is now known as florian11:12
DocScrutinizercrashanddie: there has to be a reason you quit11:12
crashanddieDocScrutinizer: yeah, they sent me to australia :P11:12
*** flo_lap has joined #maemo11:12
crashanddiehatake_kakashi: I'm a european bloke, and gf lives in France, so I came back here11:12
DocScrutinizercrashanddie: anyway I might come back to you wrt that11:13
hatake_kakashicrashanddie, mmhmm ok11:13
crashanddieanyway, gotta get registered for social security, and the movers are finally delivering all my stuff from australia -- been living out of a suitcase for the past 8 months now11:13
*** crashanddie has quit IRC11:14
timelessiwoohoo, passport11:14
timelessi'm leg!!11:14
* timeless trips twice walking out of office11:14
timelessi'm legal!11:14
timelesslow battery11:14
*** pinheiro has joined #maemo11:15
*** BCMM has joined #maemo11:16
*** lbt is now known as lbt_away11:16
*** SWFu has quit IRC11:16
*** kamui__ has joined #maemo11:17
*** incar has joined #maemo11:18
*** mikhas has joined #maemo11:20
*** bouteilledelait has quit IRC11:20
*** shinkamui has quit IRC11:20
*** Yoann512 has quit IRC11:21
*** kamui__ has quit IRC11:21
*** dvaske has joined #maemo11:23
*** dumby88 has joined #maemo11:26
*** JoeBrain has quit IRC11:29
* timeless curses11:29
timelessfor a while i could use buzz from my n900 now it forces me to use gmail!11:29
meceWOW :D "put in background and watch, start simultaneously."11:29
*** lardman has joined #maemo11:30
*** lardman has joined #maemo11:31
*** bouteilledelait has joined #maemo11:31
lardmanmorning all11:32
mecemornin lardman11:33
* timeless tries to get off the train at the wrong stop11:33
*** Yoann512 has joined #maemo11:33
lardmantimeless: the train wouldn't let you? ;)11:33
lardmanhi mece11:33
timelessthe station disagreed w/ my pattern recognizer11:34
timelessso i had to return to the train11:34
BCMMtimeless: what'z buzz?11:34
*** FireFly|n900 has quit IRC11:35
* BCMM looks it up.... oh, google buzz?11:35
* lardman considers the steps necessary to use a usb stick to boot Linux on his new PC11:35
*** fr01b has joined #maemo11:36
BCMMnew PCs tend to be fairly good at USB booting don't they?11:36
DuckBootlardman: Go all the way11:36
BCMMtimeless: and they have some sort of user-agent identifier that goes "mobile browser! redirect to gmail"?11:36
timelesspcs from '05 tend to be good at usb booting11:36
lardmanno idea, will find out soon enough ;)11:36
timelessbcmm: no11:36
timelessmobile browsers can use
timelessdesktop browsers get mail.google11:36
BCMMtimeless: so what stops you using it?11:37
timelessthe n900 is a desktop browser11:37
timelesssp3000 \.11:37
lcukmorning #maemo \o11:38
*** bilboed-tp has joined #maemo11:38
*** dolp has joined #maemo11:38
*** bilboed-tp has quit IRC11:38
*** PhonicUK has quit IRC11:39
keriotimeless: yeah but it runs on what is, arguably, a phone11:39
lardmanhey lcuk11:39
*** geaaru_ has joined #maemo11:39
lardmanlcuk: where's that liq* update? ;)11:39
mecetimeless, try this then:
lcukoh that yes, I have been a bit distracted with stuff11:41
kerioomg i got it - my screen has a couple of "light" spots11:41
mecetimeless, no
keriothey wouldn't switch just the cover, right?11:42
*** dazo_afk is now known as dazo11:42
lardmanlcuk: me too, don't worry was just ribbing11:42
DocScrutinizeramazing - nobody wants to post where abill_uk did :-D11:42
*** geaaru has quit IRC11:42
mecetimeless, that works on my disektop firefox.11:42
kerioat that point they just give me a new n90011:42
lcuklardman, done some little tweaks to the makefile11:42
lcukI think theres a mechanism to build happily for arm and x86 now :)11:43
lcukwithout modification11:43
lcukand MohammadAG51 threw a spanner in works by threatening to submit it to ubuntu11:43
lcukhe was playing with calendar on his 12" x86 tablet11:43
*** MikeK has quit IRC11:44
lardmanhmm, would be good on a larger screen actually11:44
lcukit is11:44
keriored led is MIA, vibra is stuck half the time, internal battery can't hold the time, screen has light spots, wallcharger doesn't work11:44
lcukbut my tablet broke for touch input so I stopped looking11:44
lcukI just know it works ;)11:44
lardmankerio: I've got some of those light spots on my screen11:44
mecekerio, wow. Mine has a small scratch on the screen. That's it.11:45
timelessok, turns out i'm wrong11:45
* lcuk is getting fitted for my crown soon11:45
timeless1.70 is the regular fair11:45
lardmankept hoping they were just grot, but no, looks like something is a bit damaged - still works mind you11:45
mecetimeless, I'm not sure what you actually asked for with the buzz btw..11:45
lardmanlcuk: hmm....11:45
mecetimeless, cheap11:45
timelesswhich means i was paying for two adults11:45
BCMMtimeless: i know it's a firefox-based browser, but some browser detection scripts do have it's UA down as a mobile thing11:45
* timeless = stupid11:45
lcukyeah lardman the other work is nearly done, spent last few months getting other issues sorted :)11:46
timelessbcmm: google had switched to marking us as mobile for a while for news11:46
BCMMtimeless: i don't believe that there is a clear qualitative difference between a mobile and desktop browser (unless it's just a WAP browser of course)11:46
timelessrecently they switched back to desktop11:46
DocScrutinizertimeless: lol11:46
BCMMtimeless: for google search too11:46
*** geaaru__ has joined #maemo11:47
kerioi'd change the Ua11:47
keriothe UA11:47
*** tbf has quit IRC11:47
DocScrutinizertimeless: 1.70 for the fee, 1.70 for laughs and giggles11:47
BCMMit is annoying when website have two versions and no way to manually choose between them11:48
meceBCMM, very.11:48
* timeless tries to get off at the wrong subway station11:48
*** tbf has joined #maemo11:48
timelesstoday's going great..11:48
timelessbcmm: indeed11:48
*** geaaru_ has quit IRC11:48
timelessit's odd though11:48
mecetimeless, we appreciate the entertainment though.11:48
*** tackat has quit IRC11:48
Lynouretimeless: that's easy, did that yesterday. =)11:48
timelessgmail lets you switch11:48
timelessmece: thanks11:48
DocScrutinizertimeless: (wrong station) again??11:48
BCMMmece: especially on the n900, actually: sometimes you'll want the mobile version to read in portrait mode, sometimes you'll want the full version because it has more features and works fine11:48
*** Khertan has joined #maemo11:48
timelessglad someone benefited11:48
BCMMand the site will usually give you the opposite of what you want11:49
KhertanHi !11:49
*** tackat has joined #maemo11:49
BCMMalso, it's extremely annoying that the BBC doesn't have a mobile version of it's RSS feeds11:49
meceBCMM, exactly. It's nice to have the iphone version of sites sometimes, but there has to be a quick way to get to the proper site.11:49
*** geaaru_ has joined #maemo11:49
meceand vice versa.11:49
timelessdocs: a few mins ago it was pasila instead of hel11:49
timelessthis time kamppi instead of ruho11:49
lcuktimeless, when you do reach your correct station sit down and get a favorite $DRINK and start again11:49
BCMMyeah, and vice versa because sites often only recognise the n900 as a firefox derivative and give it the standard page11:50
timelesslcuk: that reminds me, i'm running low on tropicana11:50
BCMMof course, even better would be for people to stop manually specifying minimum widths in the desktop versions of things11:50
BCMMi use mobile version of stuff on my computer quite a lot just so as not to be forced to maximise everything11:50
timelessbcmm: yeah the detection logic is generally wrong11:51
DocScrutinizertimeless: btw I got a highlight on doc: but none on docs:11:51
KhertanYeah and stop using css and image ...11:51
timelessdoc: ok11:51
BCMMnothing wrong with css and images11:51
BCMMit's just making assumptions about width11:51
* timeless can learn :o11:51
BCMMwhich even on a desktop, can force you to maximise11:51
BCMMHTML is very good at dynamically reflowing text11:51
*** geaaru__ has quit IRC11:52
BCMMimages shouldn't be absolutely huge by default, for the same reason11:52
*** zap has joined #maemo11:52
BCMMa good example is wolfram alpha, which one might easily want in a small window while most of the screen is taken up by whatever you are working on that required it11:52
DocScrutinizertimeless: would be a nice feature to have a fast select option between different browser IDs11:52
BCMMi always use the mobile version on my desktop11:52
timelessdoc: please find someone to make a site property plugin for fennec to do that11:53
DocScrutinizerfor fenec??11:54
meceStskeeps, Nice work with the unstable image releases. Makes things more interesting for bystanders :)11:54
* achipa dons tomato-proof protective gear11:54
*** geaaru_ has quit IRC11:55
lcukindeed it does mece, removes half of the issues and lets people see/feel without being ubergods11:55
*** loip has joined #maemo11:55
Stskeepsmece: thanks - we are still setting up cronjobs. there won't be a weekly this week cos the images break in building phase (bug reports exist)11:55
*** loip has left #maemo11:56
*** Gh0sty has quit IRC11:57
lcukStskeeps, one thing - could you mention to quim to perhaps alter his blog post11:57
Stskeepslcuk: in regards to?11:57
lcukhe mentions the 2gb limit and links to the instructions page below where the "perhaps use 4gb"11:57
lcukand if user reads down only from where he linked11:57
Stskeepsit refers to the wiki page, so11:58
*** Gh0sty has joined #maemo11:58
lcuk2. Install the raw image in a Micro-SD card of 2Gb or more (Linux and Windows instructions).11:58
lcukgood idea though, I moved the bit about size11:59
Stskeepsfeel free to comment yourself on comments11:59
lcukto where it would be shown11:59
Ford_PrefectBTW, that requires flashing a new kernel, right?12:00
StskeepsFord_Prefect: no, just loading it12:00
* lardman pays attention as he was planning on trying this out12:00
Stskeepslcuk: i still maintain you managed to get a card of <2gb size ;)12:00
Stskeepsin either unit12:00
*** incar has quit IRC12:01
*** Ford_Prefect has quit IRC12:01
lcukStskeeps, when I buy a 40gb hard drive, formatted size is not 40gb12:01
*** BCMM has quit IRC12:01
*** BCMM has joined #maemo12:01
lardmanis there a problem with a 2Gb card?12:02
Stskeepsno, it's 40*1000^3 or something12:02
KhertanQObject::connect: Cannot queue arguments of type 'QVariant' << sniff12:02
Khertanoups wrong window12:02
Stskeepsyours was under that12:02
*** trem has joined #maemo12:02
lcukand the image is on the limit, the card said 2gb on the box, it says 2gb on the card itself etc, its just not the same 2gb you expect :p12:02
Stskeepslcuk: yes, but the card specs lie, it seems, it was not 2Gb or 2gb12:02
lcukStskeeps, floppy disks - 1.44MB or 1.76MB12:03
lcuksame disk12:03
Stskeepsyou're not getting my point.12:03
achipa1,44 is the best12:03
achipaI wish I knew who came up with that number12:03
*** Ford_Prefect has joined #maemo12:03
Stskeepsyour card was closer to 1.8gb, not matching either 2gb or 2GB (in kilo=1000 or 1024)12:03
achipaI mean, you can argue "I count storage this way", but how can you employ BOTH 1000 and 1024 at the same time ?12:04
BCMMachipa: probably the max they thought they could push the density to in a disk of that diameter...12:04
achipaBCMM: not talking about the physical capacity, but the NUMBER12:04
lcukBCMM, formatting layout12:04
lcuk21 vs 22 cylinders afaik12:04
lcukor something like that12:04
BCMMachipa: which number? 1.44?12:04
lardman0.12 *12 ;)12:04
*** mikhas has quit IRC12:05
*** mikhas has joined #maemo12:05
lardmanas floppies are nearly as old as the Pyramids, why do we expect them to not be counted in multiples of 12?12:06
Khertanwhy 12 ... this is due to old way of counting using your thumbs12:06
achipaBCMM: yes. 1,474,560 bytes - that's fixed, cool12:06
DuckBootlardman: I have floppies - Even 5 1/4 one lying around.12:06
achipaBCMM: but the trouble is it is 1.44 * 1024 * 100012:06
BCMMachipa: heh12:07
achipaBCMM: so you get to use a SI kilo one time and a CS kile the other12:07
lardmanKhertan: hmm, people had more thumbs in those days I guess? ;)12:07
timelessfrom memory floppies were often sold in 3packs, 6packs and 12packs12:07
meceabout the meego images, can one actually run applications there, in the current state? I mean stuff you make yourself.12:07
BCMMachipa: so it is exactly 1440KB?12:07
chem|stlardman: I grew up with datasettes also known as winding /dev/null12:07
BCMMi mean, 1440KiB?12:07
koala_manexactly 1440KiB12:08
achipaBCMM: yes12:08
Khertanif you use your left and right thumb to count your hands phalanges you will fount the magic number 1212:08
BCMMheh, 1.44KiKb12:08
DocScrutinizerwhat would you say if I told you 42422 factoids of infobot start with same 4 chars? anybody got anything beating this?12:08
lardmanchem|st: I was joking, I also grew up with 5 1/4 disks (and tape drives)12:08
BCMMi guess they must've used 1440KB originally, then someone in marketting "fixed" it12:08
meceI'm not really interested in (or skillful enough) to develop the os, but I would like to get crackin on applications for it :)12:08
lcukStskeeps, one thing for certain, this debate is amusing \m/ who would have thought it would bring back all the feelings from old lol12:08
*** geaaru_ has joined #maemo12:08
achipaDuckBoot: I have an 8"-er for historical purposes. That's one big plate12:08
chem|stlardman: not tapedrives...12:08
DuckBootachipa: Uuuh - That's nice12:08
timelesswell, my infobot only has 6,301 or so factoids12:09
BCMMDuckBoot: which 4 chars?12:09
DuckBootBCMM: Wuut?12:09
chem|stlardman: my drive was looking like an ordinary cassettes player12:09
BCMMDuckBoot: sorry12:09
BCMMDocScrutinizer: which 4 chars?12:09
lardmanStskeeps: what's of interest re hacking in the N900 Meego image?12:09
kerioBCMM: reflowing text is all fun and games, but some "UI" features can't be reorganized12:10
DocScrutinizer~listkeys zip12:10
*** Shaan7 has joined #maemo12:10
infobotFactoid search of 'zip' by key (18): the cool zippi tool ;; pocketzip drive ;; jzip ;; tkzip ;; pocketzip ;; oldtest zipporah ;; prezip ;; oldtest ziphron ;; gtkzip ;; hzip ;; gzip ;; oldtest ziph ;; jazip ;; jargon zip ;; pkzip for linux ;; bzip2 ;; oldtest zippor ;; jargon zipperhead.12:10
timelessn900: making it not bootable? :)12:10
Stskeepslardman: plenty? i mean, closed blobs are SGX, bt/wifi firmware and bme12:10
DocScrutinizerhah, he cleaned them out12:10
Stskeepslardman: rest is open. ofono stack is getting integrated, albeit slowly12:10
lardmanchem|st: yeah had those at school12:10
lardmanStskeeps: so do the closed blobs need integration, or will updates be provided for them?12:11
chem|stlardman: my brother and I where shivering everytime we tried to save something... 50:50 by any chance12:11
Stskeepslardman: we have a build service tracking meego daily/weekly/trunk and publishing those to the open12:11
Stskeepswell, open as in 'n900 owning peeps'12:11
meceStskeeps, is there an rss feed I can read that tells about the releases and what's in them?12:12
lardmanI was going to try the image, and wondered whether I could do anything useful, or if it's just a case of waiting for people who have access to the source/docs to provide the binaries?12:12
Stskeepslardman: well, give it a try first12:12
Stskeepsmece: ask about this on please12:13
*** Lantizia has joined #maemo12:13
Stskeepsmece: for meego in general12:13
Stskeepslardman: we sit in #meego-arm and work in the open, people can submit changes to our stuff in gitorious12:13
Stskeepsmece: but meego-commits@ is a good list to follow12:13
Stskeeps(HIGH TRAFFIC)12:13
*** mrmoku|away is now known as mrmoku12:14
lardmanStskeeps: thanks, will give the image a go and catch up on the ml, etc12:14
Stskeeps has handset test reports on current issues12:14
*** DocScrutinizer has quit IRC12:14
meceStskeeps, I was hoping for something more in the blog post or log post on the web or something. But no worries. I'll keep track via
meceperhaps there could be an automated changelog post to in a particular thread with the weekly releases?12:16
meceor somewhere else..12:16
mecechangelog since last release that is.12:16
Stskeepsmece: i guess would be best to suggest that.12:17
meceStskeeps, alright, I will.12:17
*** smaug has joined #maemo12:18
Stskeeps(it's out of my hands, so)12:19
achipaYay ! First successful voting via kisstester ! Too bad I thought it doesn't work yet so thumbed a perfectly innocent bystander package :S12:19
meceachipa, excellent idea, that software btw.12:20
sharpneliKisstester? I'm afraid it'll do what I think it'll do.12:21
achipamece: the proof is in the pudding - we'll see how much water the 'laziness was is the determining factor' argument holds :P12:21
*** crashanddie has joined #maemo12:22
*** lardman has quit IRC12:22
achipasharpneli: read it as KISStester, maybe it's a bit less misleading12:22
achipaor, at least, misleading in a different way12:22
*** mikhas has quit IRC12:23
*** Shaan7 has quit IRC12:23
*** trem has left #maemo12:24
achipaI always have this problem with names... :) I even have a project I feared to publish as the name is hm... questionable ?12:24
*** thopiekar has joined #maemo12:24
*** [DarkGUNMAN] has joined #maemo12:24
*** Shaan7 has joined #maemo12:24
*** Flyser has joined #maemo12:25
achipaIt's a dead simple PyQt util that prunes conversations history (as with 30k messages my N900 was getting anaphylactic shocks every time I receive an IM)12:25
lcukachipa, in times gone by, I used to archive large databases into a side dataset rather than pruning12:26
lcukbut I agree, this N900 is the first device I have used where entire sms history is available12:26
lcukall my old phones used to shout after 500 messages or something12:26
korhojoalcuk: i guess you haven't used a symbian phone then?12:26
DocScrutinizer51mmmpf, router breakdown again12:27
lcukkorhojoa, i also used to not sms much - yes I have had a couple over the years12:27
timelesssome nokia phones definitely had limits12:27
achipalcuk: I kind of do backups, so still have them should I need them12:27
korhojoaI used to just move all my messages to a 'old messages' folder12:27
*** Shaan7_ has joined #maemo12:27
timelessi know a girl in finland who couldn't receive stuff w/o deleting stuff12:27
korhojoamy E61 in the end probably had over 10000 sms's stored12:27
*** Cervajz has quit IRC12:27
*** Shaan7_ has quit IRC12:27
korhojoa(wow, come to think of it, that's a hell of a lot of messages)12:27
achipaIn an onslaught of dark humor I called it "alzheimer" (I blame it on Garth Marenghis Darkplace, which I watched while writing it)12:27
lcukachipa, problem is, I vaped my entire history to not much effect12:28
lcukso I put it back again12:28
timelessdid you vacuum?12:28
lcukremoved folder12:28
lcuknew database12:28
achipalcuk: hm, it did help me, though I pruned the conversation list, too12:28
*** Cervajz has joined #maemo12:28
lcukI was looking at other effects though12:28
lcukand the sms was just one part of it12:29
lcukso your cleanup will be a diffferent thing achipa12:29
*** DocScrutinizer has joined #maemo12:31
DocScrutinizer[2010-08-11 11:32:04] <infobot> Factoid search of 'zip' by key (21 of 42422): zip 13464 ;; zip 1461312:33
DocScrutinizer~listkeys zip12:33
infobotFactoid search of 'zip' by key (21 of 42422): zip 12886 ;; zip 13483 ;; zip 16678 ;; zip 22656 ;; zip 23432 ;; zip 32440 ;; zip 33075 ;; zip 35762 ;; zip 36609 ;; zip 40932 ;; zip 40939 ;; zip 41228 ;; zip 41465 ;; zip 44416 ;; zip 4564 ;; zip 46105 ;; zip 47106 ;; zip 56226 ;; zip 62640 ;; zip 76548 ;; zip 76702.12:33
* DocScrutinizer scratches head12:33
alteregoAndroid have a virus now,12:34
alteregoLucky our backwater plot isn't really a centre of attention12:34
DocScrutinizeralso of the ones who'd spot a virus - after all12:35
*** mitsutaka has quit IRC12:35
*** tackat has quit IRC12:38
*** Cy8aer has quit IRC12:39
alteregoDocScrutinizer: obviously ...12:41
*** hari_ has quit IRC12:48
alteregoWas contemplating some kind of SIP like wakie takie app for home LANs12:48
alteregoWhich runs on desktop and N90012:49
crashanddiealterego: not very "walkie" then if it's a desktop12:49
*** FIQ has joined #maemo12:49
*** raster has quit IRC12:50
alteregoMore like a base station then :P12:50
alteregoI'm just working on my app ideas list and see what I come up with. Though these things are better in groups usually :P12:50
alteregoAll of my ideas, not sure if they're salable though :(12:52
alteregoThe only one that would be is going back to my previous employment genre ..12:52
timelesscradle baby monitor12:54
wazdStskeeps: what's the best codec to use for a boot video for n900 you were saying?12:57
Stskeepswazd: not sure sorry12:57
wazdStskeeps: hmmm :)12:57
*** habmala has joined #maemo12:57
MohammadAG51wazd, XviD12:58
*** croppa has quit IRC12:58
wazdMohammadAG51: ah, thanks :)12:58
alteregowazd: whatever format the nokia hands are in? :)12:58
wazdI'm making a PS3 XMB live wallpaper now :)12:58
wazdmostly stealing it from here :)
MohammadAG51wazd, for the N900? cool :D12:59
*** lbt_away is now known as lbt12:59
wazdMohammadAG51: yep12:59
wazdMohammadAG51: Live Wallpaper app allows to place looped video on the background :)13:00
alteregobattery suck! :P13:00
MohammadAG51wazd, yeah, noticed that, it's not @ a high fps though13:00
wazdMohammadAG51: well, built in trailers are playing at fullspeed13:01
wazdMohammadAG51: captured videos are unusable though13:01
MohammadAG51yeah, tried those13:01
* MohammadAG51 checks trailers13:01
*** Shaan7 has quit IRC13:02
*** FireFly|n900 has joined #maemo13:02
*** chadi has joined #maemo13:05
DocScrutinizeralterego: what's wrong with peer2peer sip?13:06
*** var has joined #maemo13:06
cehtehDocScrutinizer: n900 doesnt support it well13:07
DocScrutinizercehteh: i'm not sure it supports it at all13:08
cehtehyou cant call out at least, i wonder if it can accept calls13:08
vari like telephons With maemo13:09
alteregoI'm just juggling ideas, not looking into the current avialability.13:09
alteregoI don't really have any ideas at the moment. I think I need some beers.13:09
DocScrutinizercehteh: along the line 'user:"itsme@<IPofN900local>"'13:10
cehtehi just trying that13:10
DocScrutinizerno registrar13:10
DocScrutinizerno proxy13:10
cehtehsip:user@  ...13:10
cehtehdoesnt work13:11
DocScrutinizeroutbound or in?13:11
cehtehfrom laptop to n90013:11
cehtehfor the other way around there isnt even a gui13:11
DocScrutinizerwould be interesting to see a pcap13:11
DocScrutinizercehteh: not sure about the gui part13:12
varïðèâåò âñåì13:12
cehtehi am sure13:12
*** var has left #maemo13:12
*** nas_ has joined #maemo13:12
cehtehyou can only make sip calls when you are logged in at some sip proxy/registrar13:12
cehtehi havent one configured13:13
DocScrutinizerget twinklephone!13:13
cehtehand some nokians saied this isnt possible13:13
cehtehwell someday i put a sip proxy on my server13:13
*** FireFly|n900 has quit IRC13:13
cehtehanyways .. lunch .. bbl13:13
DocScrutinizerfscking cumbersome13:13
DocScrutinizer3 cheers for closed-source dialer13:14
*** Guest29593 is now known as LjL13:14
*** LjL has joined #maemo13:14
DocScrutinizerF*CKNG stipidity13:14
infobotDocScrutinizer meant: F*CKNG stupidity13:15
MohammadAG51the dialer can be replaced13:15
MohammadAG51it's a simple fucked up tool13:15
DocScrutinizeryep, I'm aware of that13:15
DocScrutinizeranyway the ntegration sucks donkey balls13:15
*** Cy8aer has joined #maemo13:16
cehtehdoes the n900 support video calls ocer sip?13:16
MohammadAG51over skype and gtalk13:16
MohammadAG51idk about the rest13:16
DocScrutinizernot over sip afaik13:16
*** Flanbix has joined #maemo13:17
DocScrutinizerthough gtalk *might* be SIP13:17
*** TermN900 has joined #maemo13:19
MohammadAG51anyone on PR1.1.1?13:20
DocScrutinizernot since your kernel :-P13:20
*** TermanaN900 has quit IRC13:20
DocScrutinizersystem is 1.1.1 still13:20
MohammadAG51k, /query13:21
alteregoI wonder if we could get a proper SIP telepathy plugin13:21
*** croppa has joined #maemo13:22
*** Wamanuz has joined #maemo13:23
*** TermN900 is now known as TermanaN90013:23
alteregoLooks like there is already13:23
alteregoYup, I definitely have a sip client ...13:24
BCMMalterego: what is wrong with the built in SIP?13:25
alteregoBCMM: I dunno, I've not used it :P13:25
BCMMalterego: i mean, it doesn't actually work here, is that a universal experience?13:25
alteregoMaybe, seems to be the consensus so far, again though, I've only just found it :P13:25
*** hrw has joined #maemo13:26
BCMMit's a shame; it's very cool the way there is a common interface for calling on SIP, GSM and Skype13:26
*** chadi_ has joined #maemo13:27
BCMMwhat is sofiasip?13:27
MohammadAG51what's the license of the mediaplayer?13:28
* MohammadAG51 pokes Stskeeps 13:28
MohammadAG51wondering if I could distribute a binary13:28
*** chadi has quit IRC13:30
MohammadAG51Stskeeps, distributable?13:30
Stskeepsdoubt it13:30
*** murrayc has joined #maemo13:30
* MohammadAG51 wonders what would happen if he distributed it13:30
*** FireFly|n900 has joined #maemo13:31
* TermanaN900 wags finger at MohammadAG5113:31
alteregoBCMM: sofiasip is the telepathy plugin that handles SIP on the N90013:31
*** guardian has quit IRC13:31
* MohammadAG51 termintes TermanaN900 13:31
BCMMalterego: is it in a repository?13:31
BCMMalterego: an alternative one, or the one that come preinstalled?13:32
TermanaN900MohammadAG51, I'll be back!13:32
MohammadAG51oh i'm sure13:32
*** zap has quit IRC13:33
*** lizardo has joined #maemo13:35
*** zap has joined #maemo13:36
*** guardian has joined #maemo13:36
alteregoBCMM: the one that comes preinstalled13:36
BCMMoh, i was hoping there was a more-working alternative...13:36
alteregoBCMM: seems to be the only one there at least13:36
alteregoBCMM: do you know what you problem is? Or it just doesn't work?13:37
BCMMalterego: oh, i can't remember exactly13:37
*** ml-mobile has quit IRC13:37
BCMMalterego: various things, could've been network or SIP provider issues13:37
BCMMbut tried with multiple providers, and it worked OK from my comptuer on the same network13:38
BCMMthere were different issues per provider, i think13:38
DocScrutinizerBCMM: 'usual' SIP (over provider & registrar) just WFM13:39
DocScrutinizerlike a charm13:39
*** mc_teo has joined #maemo13:39
*** dvaske has quit IRC13:39
BCMMDocScrutinizer: hmm, which provider?13:40
BCMMDocScrutinizer: also, i am somewhat confused about SIP13:40
BCMMDocScrutinizer: what is a registrar?13:40
DocScrutinizerthe auth server and "exchange" of the provider13:40
BCMMDocScrutinizer: uh huh, so if i have an account with a typical sip provider set up, it's what you'd consider "usual" sip?13:41
*** FireFly|n900 has quit IRC13:42
BCMMdo they have a site for people that only speak english?13:42
hrw~hail fapman author13:42
* infobot bows down to fapman author and chants, "I'M NOT WORTHY!!"13:42
BCMMis the same system?13:42
*** FIQ has quit IRC13:42 maybe13:42
fralsMohammadAG51: nokia legal will come and eat you alive ;-)13:43
*** FireFly|n900 has joined #maemo13:43
*** mrmoku` has joined #maemo13:43
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG51 doing nasty again?13:43
MohammadAG51was wondering if i could distribute a binary :p13:44
*** mrmoku has quit IRC13:44
TermanaN900why distribute if everyone that has an n900 already has the binary?13:44
*** mrmoku` is now known as mrmoku13:44
DocScrutinizernot without written permission signed by Nokia CEO13:44
BCMMyou know, the bbc site would be a whole lot less annoying the the "mobile" link in the upper left corner went to a mobile version of the *current article*, not the bloody front page every time13:45
DocScrutinizerBCMM: mhm, but how could #maemo help you out on it?13:45
BCMMDocScrutinizer: there was a discussion earlier about various people's broken mobile browser detection13:46
BCMMsorry, was kinda offtopic13:46
*** muelli has joined #maemo13:47
DocScrutinizer[2010-08-11 10:52:51] <DocScrutinizer> timeless: would be a nice feature to have a fast select option between different browser IDs13:47
DocScrutinizer[2010-08-11 10:53:50] <timeless> doc: please find someone to make a site property plugin for fennec to do that13:47
*** rupertthehacker has joined #maemo13:47
*** thopiekar has quit IRC13:48
*** rupertthehacker has quit IRC13:48
*** dos11 has joined #maemo13:48
*** tackat has joined #maemo13:50
*** dvaske has joined #maemo13:52
*** dos11 is now known as dos113:57
*** b-man17 has quit IRC13:57
*** habmala has quit IRC13:58
achipafor all interested parties, KISStester is available from extras-devel13:58
MohammadAG51damn autobuilder13:59
*** FireFly|n900 has quit IRC14:00
alteregoWhat do we have in the way of RDF parsers/processors?14:01
*** FireFly|n900 has joined #maemo14:01
*** SWFu64 has joined #maemo14:01
*** MikeK has joined #maemo14:04
*** hari_ has joined #maemo14:04
RST38hThe advert urged people to call the "Anti-Terrorist Hotline" to report suspicious behaviour such as anyone paying with cash "because he doesn't have a bank card", or keeping his curtains closed "because his house is on a bus route".14:07
RST38h"based on trends identified by police and had been amongst evidence given in court at recent terrorism trials" <=== ahhahaha14:08
TermanaN900hmm maemo and meego arent even there :P14:11
RST38hOk, androids are not getting any.14:11
MohammadAG51those aren't even corelated...14:12
RST38hMohammad: BTW, is synaptic usable on N900?14:12
MohammadAG51current package is broken, just uploaded a new one14:13
MohammadAG51the autobuilder fails to build synaptic, so the packages will be in non-free till it's sorted14:13
*** FireFly|n900 has quit IRC14:14
* MohammadAG51 slaps X-Fade 14:15
*** FireFly|n900 has joined #maemo14:15
*** MohammadAG has joined #maemo14:15
koala_man updated graph14:15
jophishTermanaN900, I run a unix based OS, which means I get laid about as much as I have to reboot my computer14:15
achipaTermanaN900: it's a fairly known fact that in questions of polls about sex, that word can plainly be substituted with "ego"14:16
fralsrofl jophish14:16
jophishoh god I lold koala_man14:16
pexikoala_man, ;)14:16
BCMMit isn't a measure of sexual activity, contrary to the graph title14:16
achipakoala_man: my colleague has a gf with a N90014:17
BCMMit could just demonstrate that stupid people tend not to form long-term relationships14:17
fralsmy gf has a n900 ;o14:17
koala_manachipa: a gift from him?14:17
Sceltfrals: and tits?14:17
Sceltfrals: which you prefer?14:17
achipakoala_man: good question, don't know, but she *is* a geekette14:17
fralsuh, yes14:18
koala_manwell, this graph is based on hits from a single's dating site. that just means N900 geek girls don't need such sites14:18
chem|stjophish: in case of n900 this is quiet often then?14:18
Sceltfrals: still no sorting images by date descending in fmms :(14:18
chem|stfrals: tits or destiny?14:19
achipakoala_man: actually saw her wearing earrings that say Q and T. I guess I should take a photo and sent it to Oslo :)14:19
* MohammadAG sees frals ignoring subject as the channel is logged14:19
jophishchem|st, well, at the moment my phone powers off when I depress the g and h keys together. I'm just hoping that that counts as a reboot :)14:19
MohammadAGGH = Go to Hell, so it reboots14:20
achipaGiant Hiccup in HW language14:20
chem|stthat multiboot thing is driving me crazy... how do I get that thing to boot maemo properly and not die in the first 3 tries?14:20
MohammadAGpress b I uninstalled it14:21
MohammadAGthat thing between n and v14:21
chem|stwell I am not familiar with this bootloader so please explain what it does on "b"14:22
MohammadAGboot :)14:22
MohammadAGI think it falls back to the default boot script14:22
chem|stwell default then? cause i press "0" atm14:22
MohammadAGhmm, not sure about 0, I've always used b14:22
chem|stI try next time14:23
chem|stjust had the point of no return and had to reboot14:23
MohammadAGanyways, I went back to bootmenu14:23
MohammadAGtill someone ports grub :P14:23
*** FireFly|n900 has quit IRC14:24
chem|stgrub would be nice... also the 1st one to have a passwd set14:24
TermanaN900koala_man, lol @ updated graph :P14:25
*** float has joined #maemo14:26
*** g55 has quit IRC14:29
*** rmoravcik has quit IRC14:31
*** dumby88 has left #maemo14:31
chem|stkoala_man: in rules of minor 3 this means all b**ches owning an iphone are easy?14:33
*** th3hate has joined #maemo14:34
*** RST38h has quit IRC14:34
*** g55 has joined #maemo14:36
*** FireFly|n900 has joined #maemo14:36
*** pablo2 has joined #maemo14:37
*** rd has joined #maemo14:37
koala_manchem|st: yes, especially the ones with an iphone 4. they can't even call the police when you follow them14:38
*** rmoravcik has joined #maemo14:38
infobotflashing is, like,
*** bouteilledelait has quit IRC14:41
*** Yoann512 has quit IRC14:42
*** FireFly|n900 has quit IRC14:42
*** jd has quit IRC14:45
*** jd has joined #maemo14:45
*** tackat_ has joined #maemo14:47
mecefukkn is down :/14:48
*** tackat has quit IRC14:48
achipaoh.. THAT flashing. I thought you meant (NSFW, hm, does this mean Wikipedia should have an 18+ rating ?)14:49
sig^that's why we have conservapedia14:50
*** Yoann512 has joined #maemo14:50
sig^not that it's very safe for anyone either...14:51
meceoh.. it's back14:51
*** rmoravcik has quit IRC14:51
*** bouteilledelait has joined #maemo14:52
*** timoph is now known as timoph|away14:52
*** DantonicN800 has joined #maemo14:53
timelessachipa: my browser needs an 'images off' button for use w/ nsfw sites14:54
*** hari_ has quit IRC14:54
timelessso i can use Playboy for the articles :)14:54
ShadowJKheh, claims N900 has 768M NAND memory :-)14:54
DantonicN800well my n900 is on its way for warranty repair.14:55
*** [DarkGUNMAN] has quit IRC14:55
timelessso, i saw this cool new browser14:55
timelessit was sporting a brand new feature14:55
xkr47-DIso is opensource a kind of flashing ? :)14:55
timelesswhich my 3com audrey had in 200014:55
DantonicN800I had forgotten how big the n800 screen looks!14:55
*** rmoravcik has joined #maemo14:55
timelessxkr47-di: it's a lame form of exhibitiionism, yes14:55
mecetimeless, what feature was that?14:56
*** [DarkGUNMAN] has joined #maemo14:56
*** panaggio has joined #maemo14:57
*** PhonicUK has joined #maemo14:58
*** t_s_o has joined #maemo14:58
ShadowJKA stop button that stops?14:58
*** benh has quit IRC14:59
KhertanDantonicN800: yeah it s an amazing good screen !14:59
DantonicN800it's so big!14:59
Khertanit s so great and well sized :)15:00
*** Andy80 has joined #maemo15:00
PhonicUKhey all15:00
ShadowJKAnd the touch layer is closer to the screen :)15:00
*** satmd has joined #maemo15:00
satmdhi :)15:00
Khertanalso !15:00
Khertanbut after some month of coding on my n900 i prefer the n900 keyboard15:01
DantonicN800ya wish n900 had a bgger screen15:01
* Khertan wish too15:01
*** Lantizia has quit IRC15:01
Khertani was hoping that a n910 with bigger screen appear but this didn't happen15:02
*** mikki-kun has quit IRC15:02
fralsScelt: patches welcome, i have nfc how to do it in hildonfilechooser15:02
Sceltfrals: :]15:02
Khertannow i hope that an other constructor will use meego to made phone with form factor of the n81015:03
ShadowJKbigger screen, more ram, more keys.. time to dram of a N910? :)15:03
Khertani didn't whine for more ram or more keys :)15:03
Khertani ve successfully place my tabs button in the toolbar :)15:03
*** mikki-kun has joined #maemo15:04
satmdI'm having trouble connecting to wifi via eap-tls (cert only) and it seems to be slightly different from the bugs on b.m.o... the n900 connects just fine, but displays a popup "Certificate not currently valid" for the radius server and in syslog I see a complaint about a self-signed cert. Now... I do have installed the ca.15:04
satmdmy question is: anyone seen this popup?15:04
*** Lantizia has joined #maemo15:05
satmdit was working fine once15:05
timelesssatmd: is the certificate expired?15:05
*** timeless_mbp has joined #maemo15:06
satmdthe radius server certificate was expired but I renewed it15:06
*** bouteilledelait has quit IRC15:06
X-Fadesatmd: Clock correct?15:06
satmdclock is correct15:06
timelesssatmd: how did you renew it?15:06
DocScrutinizerblargh! meego15:06
*** panaggio has quit IRC15:06
satmdrevoked the old one, resigned the csr15:06
timelessdid you install the replacement?15:06
* satmd nods15:06
*** panaggio has joined #maemo15:06
*** [DarkGUNMAN] has quit IRC15:07
timelessnote that revoking an expired certificate is pointless15:07
* satmd did a complete reflash in a desperate attempt15:07
satmdbut necessary for the CA requirements "unique subject"15:07
timelessbrowsers don't really care about certificate revokations for expired certificates15:07
satmdthe ca side cares ;)15:08
*** Yoann512 has quit IRC15:08
timelessthere's an integer like field which one typically bumps15:08
satmdyeah, the index15:08
MohammadAGX-Fade, ping15:08
satmdwell, I admit I could have messed up the renewal process15:08
X-FadeMohammadAG: pong15:08
satmdbut then I hoped I could get more debug information about the login process15:08
satmdthe n900 syslog doesn't tell *which* certificate seems to be selfsigned15:09
* timeless goes off to poke someone about an expired cert15:09
*** MuJu has quit IRC15:09
MohammadAGX-Fade, any ideas?15:09
MohammadAGbuilds fine on scratchbox15:09
timelesssatmd: there's a guy juhani, you can bug him :)15:09
satmdok :)15:09
*** andrenarchy has quit IRC15:09
albancHi X-Fade, did you have a chance to look at why Miniature 0.4 is not accepted by the build robot?15:09
X-FadeMohammadAG: Yes, no outside network access.15:10
MohammadAGX-Fade, no way around that?15:10
X-FadeMohammadAG: yes, include file in your source.15:10
MohammadAGI was thinking something like enabling outside network access, but I'll see about it :P15:10
*** ohwhyme has joined #maemo15:10
X-FadeMohammadAG: No, no builder will ever do that.15:10
* satmd suggests supplying a local copy of the xsl15:11
*** MuJu has joined #maemo15:11
*** lpotter_ has quit IRC15:11
*** mord has quit IRC15:11
* MohammadAG facesmacks15:11
*** diegohcg has joined #maemo15:11
X-Fadealbanc: checking.15:11
*** ljp has joined #maemo15:11
*** tekojo has quit IRC15:11
*** mgedmin has quit IRC15:11
*** Jiten has quit IRC15:11
*** jkyro has joined #maemo15:11
DocScrutinizerhow comes each time I try to approach meego it ends in me feeling pissed after max 30 minutes?15:12
KhertanX-Fade: can ask you who manage/maintain the obs community repository ... and who can help me to understand some errors that i don't ?15:12
*** mgedmin has joined #maemo15:12
*** mord has joined #maemo15:13
DuckBootDocScrutinizer: Cause they have lots of booze?15:13
X-FadeKhertan: That could be me.15:13
*** chadi_ has quit IRC15:13
*** Jiten has joined #maemo15:13
*** mord is now known as Guest9181215:13
*** andrenarchy has joined #maemo15:13
X-Fadealbanc: Can you give me some details on what doesn't work?15:14
X-Fadealbanc: As I don't see any builds?15:14
albancX-Fade, I tried twice yesterday: and
KhertanX-Fade: oh :) i'm trying to made a package for khteditor for meego from dist-utils with a spec file and i got the following error : /bin/rpm: error while loading shared libraries: liblua-15:15
KhertanX-Fade: does the rpm command is available ?15:15
X-Fadealbanc: That is not miniature? :)15:15
*** panaggio has left #maemo15:15
Khertan(and working :) )15:15
albancX-Fade, the first time with dput, and the second time using the webform. In both case, I received the email from the robot saying OK. But then, no packages appears on
timelessso, on the subject of certificate15:16
albancX-Fade, oh, I'm sorry, I meant Monorail, not Miniature15:16
*** [DarkGUNMAN] has joined #maemo15:16
timelessgetting a new one does your users no good if you don't restart the server with it installed15:16
timeless(in reference to some private server)15:16
*** [DarkGUNMAN] has quit IRC15:16
*** [DarkGUNMAN] has joined #maemo15:17
*** baraujo has joined #maemo15:18
*** RST38h has joined #maemo15:18
X-Fadealbanc: Very strange. It seems to build fine:
*** briglia has joined #maemo15:20
DocScrutinizerDuckBoot: yeah probably - at least those dudes when they bigmouthedly announced meego to be much more open and foss and everything than maemo. For sure they had enough booze prior to announcing that. Fact is meego is completely hostile, developed 'behind the wall" like all Nokia does, and has no docs or community involvement in any part of the process. It's just another example of "develop in a closed process, then drop source on community15:20
DocScrutinizertogether with the finished binaries"15:20
*** setanta has joined #maemo15:20
satmdrestarted multiple times15:20
timelesssatmd: that comment was actually about another service15:20
StskeepsDocScrutinizer: yet at the same time you're bitching there's a shitload of SDK people from nokia and intel discussing in #meego-meeting15:20
*** Cy8aer has quit IRC15:20
timelessit was for some of us to laugh at15:20
kerionow the usb cable doesn't work either, unless i push the plug towards the "battery" side15:21
timelessit just happens to coincide with your problems15:21
keriois this a common problem, and is there a way to fix it happily?15:21
infobotkerio meant: is this a common problem, and is there a way to fix it easily?15:21
*** ohwhyme has quit IRC15:21
keriowtf am i writing15:21
*** bouteilledelait has joined #maemo15:21
DocScrutinizerStskeeps: so? am I supposed to have 2 weeks of holiday and read the logs of that channel, just to find out e.g what's the general concept of sensorfw?15:22
*** Yoann512 has joined #maemo15:22
StskeepsDocScrutinizer: no, minutes of each minute is published15:22
* satmd waves at Stskeeps15:22
DocScrutinizerdoesn't change anything15:23
Stskeepsso it's a closed process when you're too lazy to participate? right15:23
* Stskeeps sighs and goes away15:23
*** mgedmin has quit IRC15:24
*** mgedmin has joined #maemo15:24
*** eMHa has quit IRC15:24
*** romen has quit IRC15:24
*** romen has joined #maemo15:25
kerioDocScrutinizer: broken usb plug too now :(15:26
*** marciom has joined #maemo15:26
DocScrutinizerbtw: nota bene who's discussing there! >>[2010-08-11 14:20:44] <Stskeeps> DocScrutinizer: yet at the same time you're bitching there's a shitload of SDK people from nokia and intel discussing in #meego-meeting15:26
keriowell, usb port15:26
DocScrutinizeryep, exactly. a shitload of SDK people from nokia and intel - fine15:27
DocScrutinizerthanks for supporting my point15:28
StskeepsDocScrutinizer: and everyone else allowed to participate and discuss. not 'only' those.15:28
*** willer_ has joined #maemo15:28
X-Fadealbanc: I submitted the build again and now it finished fine.15:29
X-Fadealbanc: No idea what happened yesterday.15:30
albancX-Fade, I had the same problem months ago when I uploaded Map Buddy. Maybe it is a problem specific to my account...15:30
DocScrutinizerkerio: now that should maybe suffice for a complete replacement :-S15:31
albancX-Fade, thanks for uploading again :)15:31
kerioyay :(15:31
X-Fadealbanc: Well the upload was ok, as the sources are there.15:31
keriowell, it works if i push the plug towards the battery15:31
X-Fadealbanc: It failed mid build.15:31
lcuk\o/ X-Fade sometimes I believe you wear a superhero costume whilst working.  thanks \o15:31
X-FadeI'd be pretty happy to have this replaced by OBS btw :)15:32
lcukindeed, it just moves the issues though15:32
*** baraujo has quit IRC15:32
*** zs has joined #maemo15:32
albancSo the package should appear is about 1 hour :)
X-Fadealbanc: Probably within half an hour.15:33
albancIs it correct that a script is run every hour to put the compiled packages in the repositories?15:33
MohammadAGor 4 minutes:P15:33
*** Sargun has quit IRC15:33
lcukMohammadAG, thats just your special timing15:33
MohammadAGwasn't it :05 and :35 of every hour?15:34
lcukyou sense when its due15:34
MohammadAGwhich is in the next minute15:34
MohammadAGlcuk, nah, that's noobmonk3y15:34
*** luizirber has joined #maemo15:34
lcuknahhh when n00bmonk3y is coding it doesnt matter - he pushes 100 builds/minute anyway15:35
w00t_no, that's frals15:35
*** FIQ has joined #maemo15:35
fralsdont hate on release early releasae often!15:36
Khertan<X-Fade> I'd be pretty happy to have this replaced by OBS btw :) <<< i think it s far more complex and will generate more questions :)15:36
Khertanbut seems a really nice tool15:36
* MohammadAG facepalms
MohammadAGfrals, we're not hating on that, we're hating on you :P15:37
th3hatekernel-power v40 has overclocking enabled?15:37
*** rd has quit IRC15:38
MohammadAGI doubt t-tan will take out the only reason his kernel is popular15:38
E0xMohammadAG: is that real ?15:38
E0x( the battery )15:38
* MohammadAG headdesks15:38
th3hateim running it atm, it's sayng: sh: kernel-config not found15:39
MohammadAGE0x, I hope you're joking15:39
E0xi not15:39
MohammadAGth3hate, sudo kernel-load or something15:39
kerioMohammadAG: hmm... mobilehotspot?15:39
E0xtoo cheap15:39
* frals trouts MohammadAG 15:39
kerioth3hate: apt-get install kernel-power-config15:39
MohammadAGkerio, that had a kernel on its own15:39
*** tclerckx has joined #maemo15:40
kerioMohammadAG: ext4?15:40
MohammadAGkerio, most users who have the kernel don't know what ext4 is15:40
kerioMohammadAG: whatever - it's still the "standard" extra kernel15:40
kerioif anything, because it's in the repos15:40
MohammadAGand why did it get into the repos?15:41
MohammadAGcause noobish overclockers gave it +10 votes when it can burn out your device15:41
*** DantonicN800 has quit IRC15:41
th3hatecouldn't find package: kernel-power-config15:41
MohammadAGI'm in a good mood to see if i2c-tools can make it into extras15:41
th3hatepulled out repos?15:41
*** ham5 has joined #maemo15:41
ham5whats sending international sms messages?15:42
kerioi was going by memory15:42
MohammadAGkernel-power-settings - Tools for the customization of kernel settings15:42
DuckBootth3hate: apt-cache search kernel-power15:42
tclerckxHi all. I'm still hesitating between buying a Nokia N900 or an Android based smartphone (e.g. Samsung Galaxy). Main objective for me is support for (easily) writing applications using Python as a base. Any pros/cons that you guys could advice me on?15:42
MohammadAGham5, cherry?15:42
ham5I notice an extra 2 or so a month seince I got the phone15:42
MohammadAGcherry = MyNokia15:42
*** eMHa has joined #maemo15:42
MohammadAGapt-get install notmynokia and kill the fag15:42
ham5apt-get uninstall ?15:43
ham5why should I install more15:43
MohammadAGcause mp-fremantle-generic-pr most likely depends on it15:44
keriotclerckx: android sucks balls15:44
kerioMohammadAG: it does15:44
MohammadAGkerio, didn't check, that's why I said most likely15:45
ham5that just a meta packagE?15:45
*** Shaan7 has joined #maemo15:45
MohammadAGneeded by SSU15:45
MohammadAGif you don't give a crap about SSU, break it15:45
infobotfrom memory, ssu is
E0xtclerckx: the n900 is very hack-friendly but if you will dev to profit android right now have more market15:45
kerio(i meant to write smack)15:45
E0xor just wait for the next n900 replacement15:45
ham5yea I dont need that I just flash with usb15:45
MohammadAGthen break it15:45
MohammadAGalso check Xsession, see if uninstalling it keeps leftovers15:46
*** baraujo has joined #maemo15:49
th3hateanyone installed Shake-N-Surf from ovi store?15:54
*** Khertan has quit IRC15:54
th3hatecan't uninstalled it.. i dont find it in applications list15:54
*** rd has joined #maemo15:56
*** ml-mobile has joined #maemo15:57
MohammadAGdpkg -r shake-n-surf15:59
*** TermanaN900 has quit IRC16:02
*** dob has left #maemo16:02
th3hatethat did the trick thanks16:02
th3hatewhats the difference between "apt-get remove x" and "apt-get remove x --purge"16:03
*** srw has joined #maemo16:03
MohammadAGpurge gets rid of configuration files in etc16:04
*** hardaker2 has joined #maemo16:04
DocScrutinizerkerio: don't smack infobot!16:04
*** luizirber has quit IRC16:04
*** crashanddie has quit IRC16:05
DocScrutinizer1500mA battery -WOOOOW16:05
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, for $6!!!!11111!!11111116:05
*** GordonS has joined #maemo16:05
DocScrutinizerthat's... that's... err 200mA *more* than the original one16:05
*** GordonS has left #maemo16:05
*** celesteh has joined #maemo16:06
korhojoa~smack self16:06
* infobot smacks self upside the head.16:06
* wazd has forgotten to confirm torrent download in utorrent 3 hours ago... doh!16:06
*** swo has quit IRC16:06
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, at half half the price16:06
DocScrutinizerwith double double the fun :-P16:06
MohammadAGis it me, or have people reached a new level of stupidity16:06
MohammadAGyeah, I'm sure it'd be explosive16:07
DocScrutinizerit's you, people always been like that16:07
MohammadAGI'm sure you have better experience as an engineer16:09
*** jayabharath has joined #maemo16:09
*** FIQ has quit IRC16:09
*** avs has quit IRC16:14
*** Cy8aer has joined #maemo16:16
*** TomaszD has quit IRC16:17
*** TomaszD has joined #maemo16:18
*** gomiam has joined #maemo16:18
*** mece has quit IRC16:19
*** gomiam has quit IRC16:19
*** Termana has joined #maemo16:20
romenfunny post:
*** geaaru__ has joined #maemo16:20
*** ohwhyme has joined #maemo16:21
romenIt would be awesome to extend PoE to 802.11 xD16:21
RST38hromen: the antenna will have to be rather large16:23
DuckBoot"Whenever close to a hotspot - charge"16:23
*** geaaru_ has quit IRC16:23
*** gomiam has joined #maemo16:23
*** Yabbapappa has joined #maemo16:24
*** Cy8aer has quit IRC16:24
*** dvaske has quit IRC16:26
*** geaaru__ has quit IRC16:27
th3hateis 50C safe for n900 :P?16:27
MohammadAGis 50C safe for you?16:28
Scelttake it to sauna and you'll see16:29
YabbapappaHello, Can I use this to clean up (and hide some scratches) the screen of N900?16:29
th3hatewhat do you compare me with n900?16:29
DuckBootYabbapappa: This?16:29
korhojoath3hate: it is16:29
YabbapappaOhh, sorry this <>16:29
th3hatei mean n900's temp16:30
Sceltkorhojoa: been with it in a sauna?16:30
korhojoath3hate: well. sorry. it was wrong of me to say that. i've had it in +50 conditions and it's survived16:30
DuckBootYabbapappa: Probably yes16:30
korhojoaScelt: nope. in a car in the sun16:30
Sceltkorhojoa: good enough16:30
* MohammadAG facepalms16:30
YabbapappaThere is finnish netstore which says that it is not for touch screens16:30
MohammadAGis 50C safe for a cooled PC CPU? no16:30
korhojoaScelt: Qatar in the summer isn't that forgiving16:30
korhojoaMohammadAG: tbh, the laptop survived it just fine, it just throttled down16:31
th3hate120c is safe for GPU's16:31
th3hatemodern ones16:31
MohammadAGkorhojoa, screw laptops, mine runs at 100C16:31
Sceltkorhojoa: :]16:31
korhojoathe cpu sits at ~97C with full fan... so.16:31
MohammadAGanyways, no16:31
MohammadAG50C isn't safe for a brick size tank16:31
*** tbf has quit IRC16:31
th3hatequeen beecom showed 50c yesterday after playing movie @900mhz for 1 hr16:32
korhojoaMohammadAG: my desktop for some reason doesn't throttle the fan that much, so it's quite often at over 75C16:32
MohammadAGwhat were using to play the movie?16:32
MohammadAGmakes sense16:32
korhojoaSiB ?16:32
MohammadAGsome frontend for mplayer16:33
MohammadAGM != m16:33
th3hateP != p16:33
korhojoawell the DSP can usually handle video a lot better (assuming that there's a codec that supports it)16:33
MohammadAGindeed, and it won't load the CPU as much16:33
th3hatemplayer doesn't use the dsp?16:33
MohammadAGit's CPU only16:34
korhojoai thought everyone knew that16:34
th3hateso only default media player uses it?16:34
TomaszDit does use all arm neon optimizations though16:34
MohammadAGgstreamer uses the DSP, if something uses gstreamer it uses the DSP16:34
korhojoai've had a few video files though that play just fine with mplayer but stutter like hell with the DSP16:34
th3hateany gstreamer player that can zoom vid to fit screen?16:35
*** sx0n has quit IRC16:35
th3hatemediabox i guess?16:35
*** NishanthMenon has joined #maemo16:35
MohammadAGmediabox uses gstreamer I guess16:35
MohammadAGgstreamer-flv is a dep16:35
*** hardaker2 has quit IRC16:36
*** rmoravcik has quit IRC16:36
*** sx0n has joined #maemo16:36
MohammadAGhmm, SIM card crossed out for some reason16:37
*** jaska has quit IRC16:37
* MohammadAG thinks he needs to visit a Nokia care center16:37
*** rmoravcik has joined #maemo16:38
MohammadAGcan anyone apt-get install synaptic16:39
MohammadAGdoesn't seem to be working for me16:39
GAN900Ha, I love living in Florida.16:40
*** geaaru has joined #maemo16:40
E0xMohammadAG: not work here16:40
GAN900"It's raining an awful lot."16:40
th3hateMAFW uses the dsp?16:40
GAN900"Is that a hurricane?"16:41
*** gnuton is now known as GNUton-BNC16:41
MohammadAGE0x, did you update the repos first?16:41
th3hateMohammadAG, MAFW uses dsp?16:41
MohammadAGfor music? afaik nope16:42
th3hatefor videos16:42
MohammadAGthe media player does16:42
th3hatemediabox can choose MAFW as a player backend for avi16:43
*** juliank has joined #maemo16:43
*** carloscesa has joined #maemo16:43
*** LjL has quit IRC16:43
MohammadAGcheck gstreamer16:43
th3hateit has gstreamer also16:44
th3hatebut sets MAFW as default16:44
*** rd has quit IRC16:45
*** geaaru has quit IRC16:45
*** n900-space has joined #maemo16:47
*** MadViking has quit IRC16:47
*** LjL has joined #maemo16:48
*** MadViking has joined #maemo16:48
*** hannesw has quit IRC16:50
MohammadAGX-Fade, poke16:51
tclerckxSo, what about the battery lifetime of the n900?16:53
*** muellisoft has joined #maemo16:53
keriowhat about it?16:54
_trinethe N900 seems very variable my phone can run at 1150 MHz on the starving profile but my wifes can only run at 900 MHz on the LV profile16:54
*** Misbah has joined #maemo16:54
*** muelli has quit IRC16:54
kerioDocScrutinizer: do it16:54
kerioyou know you want to16:54
DuckBoottclerckx: No worries - I carry a small nuclear powerplant on my back, so I always charge it.16:54
keriotclerckx: don't OC it16:55
viszi doubt that the battery wouldn't last longer than the use of the phone16:55
tclerckxkerio: what do you mean, don't OC it?16:55
DocScrutinizer~tell _trine about omap-oc16:55
keriothere's a way to overclock the cpu16:55
*** Termana has quit IRC16:55
viszand a new one won't cost too much16:55
keriobut it's a *bad* idea, as TI says16:56
keriobattery life is good enough to get back home to charge it16:56
*** eMHa has quit IRC16:56
*** MohammadAG has quit IRC16:56
viszoh, charge frequency16:56
*** merlin1991 has joined #maemo16:57
*** MohammadAG has joined #maemo16:57
*** gomiam1 has joined #maemo16:57
*** panaggio has joined #maemo16:58
*** gomiam has quit IRC16:58
*** gomiam1 is now known as gomiam16:58
*** eMHa has joined #maemo16:58
keriotclerckx: the n900 is an awesome device16:59
kerioandroid phones are phones16:59
*** eMHa has quit IRC16:59
keriotheir main purpose is still to make phone calls and write SMSes16:59
*** MadViking has quit IRC17:00
hrwsame with my n90017:00
hrwit has to make calls and send/receive sms17:00
_trinewhy would running a cpu at a higher speed reduce its life ,, I cant see that17:00
*** ham5 has left #maemo17:00
*** eMHa has joined #maemo17:00
*** geaaru has joined #maemo17:00
kerio_trine: it's a matter of heat dissipation and electromigration17:00
*** MadViking has joined #maemo17:00
hrwreading emails/tweets/webpages etc is extra17:00
_trinewhat would reduce its life is a higher tempreature17:00
_trinenot speed17:01
keriospeed causes heat, duh17:01
*** baraujo has quit IRC17:01
_trinerunning a proc at a higher speed does not necessarily create more speed17:01
_trinemore work creates more heat17:02
_trinerunning a proc at a higher speed does not necessarily create more heat***17:02
*** sheepbat has joined #maemo17:02
*** Misbah has quit IRC17:02
_trineso if you want to benefit from short term speed increases then I see nothing wrong in 115017:02
* MohammadAG wonders if uploading the SDK apt to the repos was a smart move17:02
MohammadAGprolly not17:03
_trinekerio, I understand about what you are trying to say17:03
*** baraujo has joined #maemo17:03
MohammadAGkerio, don't bother discussing overclocking17:03
*** sx0n has quit IRC17:04
*** hannesw has joined #maemo17:04
_trinemost of the time at least 98% of the time my cpu is running at 250 MHz17:04
_trinebut it can burst to 1150 and i like that17:04
*** ferdna has quit IRC17:04
DocScrutinizer_trine: guess why infobot passed that nice link to you17:04
_trineyes thanks17:05
MohammadAGthen keep it at 115017:05
infobotomap-oc is, like,  read that!17:05
*** chenca has joined #maemo17:05
DuckBootI have chosen to OC my N900, because I will probably find something more new and shiny before I manage to trash my N900. So I think of OC as a choice. And I choose to shorten the lifespan of my device, since I will not keep it as long as it takes it to die on me.17:05
MohammadAGit'll burn, but you like that17:05
*** sx0n has joined #maemo17:06
* _trine looks around his room at all the stuff that he has paid a lot of money for in the past which is still working but useless by todays standards17:06
*** Yabbapappa has quit IRC17:07
_trineand thats surely the way the N900 will go to17:07
*** Yabba has joined #maemo17:07
_trinein 2 years it will be scrap17:07
*** float has quit IRC17:07
* DocScrutinizer suggests sledge hammer - more reliable way to make sure this won't happen17:07
keriooh god i want to overclock now :O17:07
_trinehe he17:07
rmrfchikit's going to be scrap much faster17:07
keriothey're persuasive17:07
kerioDocScrutinizer: MAKE THEM STOP17:07
* _trine would over clock his wife if he could 17:08
*** msanchez has quit IRC17:09
keriodoes the processor have a hidden record of the clock speeds?17:09
_trinejust checked my CPU temp its 4417:09
keriobecause i tried overclocking it in the past17:09
DocScrutinizerkerio: we must not tell you17:09
kerioand i'll have to send it to nokia now for unrelated reasons17:09
*** mirr0r has joined #maemo17:10
lcuk_trine, your wife would have problems if you overclocked her.17:10
*** Sargun has joined #maemo17:10
_trinelcuk, yes but she would get the housework done faster17:10
*** jophish has quit IRC17:10
kerioalso you'd last long enough in bed17:10
keriohurr durr17:11
lcuk_trine, but note that she may get involved in a runaway process and burn herself out on the poolboy17:11
_trinekerio, I'm past all that now17:11
keriothat's so sad :(17:11
kerioi mean, for you17:11
_trineI'll leave the sex to you young whippersnappers17:11
kerioanyway, once i get my new n900 from nokia - yay warranty - i'll probably overclock it17:11
kerioto something realtively sane17:12
kerioDocScrutinizer: take that17:12
_trineif the kernel would allow it i would try faster17:12
*** ayanes has quit IRC17:12
_trineI would like to see how far it would go17:12
_trineand you never know it could outlive me17:13
kerioyeah, you could get hit by a bus17:13
keriojust sayin'17:14
_trinecan you imagine lay on your death wondering if it would have gone faster17:14
*** lmoura has quit IRC17:14
*** fmeyer has joined #maemo17:14
*** fmeyer has joined #maemo17:15
_trineI remeber all this kind of talk when asus brought out their eeepc with the solid state 40 gig drive17:15
*** lmoura has joined #maemo17:15
_trinesome said it would not last long17:15
DocScrutinizeryou also could explode together with your N900 :-P17:15
_trinesome said dont use ext3 because it would wear it out quickly17:16
_trinebut my eeepc has been made to work hard and its still here17:16
*** Finnish has joined #maemo17:16
kerioDocScrutinizer: we need a heart rate monitor that broadcasts over the net17:16
*** FIQ has joined #maemo17:16
kerioso we can know if the n900 died before him17:16
*** ppenz has quit IRC17:17
_trineDocScrutinizer, I'm 64 years old this stuff almost all carries a lifelong warranty for me17:17
MohammadAG_trine you do know someone lost a battery cause of OC'ing right?17:17
_trinehe he17:17
MohammadAG64? wow17:17
kerioi'm just 1817:17
MohammadAGand I was complaining I got old last week17:18
_trineMohammadAG, I bought 2 spare batteries at only £8 for the 217:18
MohammadAGkerio, don't feel sad, I'm 1717:18
DocScrutinizerhmm, makes chances for a nice explosion even better :-D17:18
_trine64 is good too17:18
_trineha ha17:18
FIQYay, found a bug in UIQ3 to turn the whole OS into landscape mode. :D17:18
*** mikki-kun has quit IRC17:19
*** mikki-kun has joined #maemo17:19
_trineMohammadAG, I have computer stuff I built which is still running from before you came to Earth :)17:19
DocScrutinizerisn't UIQ3 that strange "OS" on cheaper smartphones?17:19
kerioDocScrutinizer: that symbian that's not exactly symbian17:20
MohammadAG_trine, but does it blend?17:20
_trineisnt life great17:20
DuckBootEven I have computer stuff older than 17 years, and it's still running.17:20
keriowell i have a working n6417:20
keriotake that, losers17:20
_trinehe he17:20
MohammadAGI have an atari, HA!17:20
_trineyou're all making me laugh17:20
_trinethanks guys17:20
MohammadAGI think it was a jaguar17:21
* lcuk knocks over _trine's stack of punchcards17:21
MohammadAGactually, is17:21
MohammadAGI still have it17:21
kerioMohammadAG: WHERE DID YOU LEARN TO FLY17:21
DuckBootI have a VIC-20 in prime condition at home.17:21
FIQDocScruntizer, I use my P1i atm due to N900 being on reparation17:21
MohammadAGkerio, red bull gives you wings17:21
rmrfchikagain n900 can't sync google calendar.. so tired17:21
MohammadAGon a more serious note, I hate that crap17:22
* _trine remembers building 300 baud modems for use on radios17:22
DocScrutinizerI dumped my NASCOM-I and other antique stuff 2 years ago17:22
DocScrutinizereven the HP41-CV17:22
* DocScrutinizer sobs17:22
FIQI like the fact that the system works pretty fine in landscape with minor flaws17:22
_trinehey i even remember the the house lit by gas mantles17:22
DuckBootDocScrutinizer: Sacrilege17:23
_trineI still have some zx spectrum bits17:23
FIQturn on cam application and instantly open the SME menu, go to random application17:23
_trineand possibly an old zx81 in the roofspace17:23
DocScrutinizerzx-81 dumped17:23
FIQbut some of them forces revert to portrait. :(17:24
DocScrutinizergot ~8 of them, with 16k RAM extension :-P17:24
*** Cervajz has quit IRC17:24
* DuckBoot had some hard arguments back then - which was best: VIC-20 or the ZX-8117:24
*** fabo has quit IRC17:24
_trineDocScrutinizer, the first one I built had only 1k of ram17:24
_trinewith an upgrade to 2k17:25
Ford_PrefectThe one with the "Z", or even better, "X", of course17:25
FIQP1i is on of the few symbian based phones whose multitasking feature actually works properly without "OUT OF MEMORY!!!!!!!!!!!11" msgs17:25
SpeedEvilMy oldest working system is a Z88. (1988 tablet computer).17:25
tclerckxSo anyone has experience with the N900 combined with the BH-905 headset?17:26
SpeedEvilStuck 4 AA in it a couple of months ago, and it booted just fine, with saved files (eeprom) there.17:26
SpeedEvilI will be happy if the n900 lasts as long.17:26
th3hate kernel-config limits gives " frequecny limit arguments missing"17:26
th3hateany idea why?17:26
*** Ford_Prefect has quit IRC17:26
kerio~tell th3hate about omap-oc17:27
_trineI think the slide arrangement for the N900 keyboard may be the bit that breaks first17:27
DuckBoot_trine: Mine already seems a bit shaky17:27
_trinekernel-config limits 250 90017:27
DuckBootWell - dinner awaits. cd ~17:28
_trinedoes anyone use kernel-config load starving17:28
*** fmeyer has quit IRC17:29
keriowtf is "starving"?17:30
_trineor is most people here using ideal17:30
th3hatestarving profile = less power usage?17:30
_trinethere is :-17:30
_trinestarving lv and ideal17:30
th3hateand ulv+ xlv17:30
th3hatebut starving = lowest voltages i think17:31
_trinemy N900 runs on starving at 115017:31
th3hatedoesn't crash on heavy load?17:31
_trineit runs perfectly17:32
lcukits easy for an individual machine to be made to do almost anything.17:32
_trinebut I wifes N900 will not do it17:32
lcukits more difficult to find something that can work in every condition17:32
th3hateyou set lowest ferq 250 or 500?17:32
_trine250 115017:32
lcukone person can sail round the work in a dingy, but it does not mean its good for normal travel17:32
*** ohwhyme has quit IRC17:33
_trinethe best I can get my wifes N900 to work at is on lv profile 250 90017:33
*** tclerckx has quit IRC17:33
*** Modeless has joined #maemo17:34
_trineso these phones are very variable17:34
*** fabo has joined #maemo17:34
th3hatedifferent cpu revisions maybe17:34
*** Ford_Prefect has joined #maemo17:34
lcuk\o Ford_Prefect17:34
*** Shaan7 has quit IRC17:34
Ford_Prefecto/ lcuk17:35
*** Vanadis_Work has quit IRC17:35
DocScrutinizerand btw ULV, starving etc pp probably do pretty poor job on battery live extension. CPU is ~100mA on full nominal rate. ULV can reduce this by a few percent at most17:35
*** Modeless has quit IRC17:36
DocScrutinizerth3hate: nope, different chips17:36
_trineanother thing too17:36
DocScrutinizersame make17:36
*** johnsq has joined #maemo17:36
_trinemy phone is much better than the other one in terms of wifi and gps sensitivity17:36
th3hateDocScrutinizer, i thought all n900's use the same chip?17:37
_trinequite significantly so17:37
DocScrutinizerth3hate: same make, as I told17:37
th3hatedifferent chip, same make?17:37
DocScrutinizerit's variation in particular chip17:37
*** rmoravcik has quit IRC17:37
DocScrutinizeranother chip of same type17:38
th3hatethat's kinda not fair :P17:38
MohammadAGwell, life's a bitch17:38
*** Knirch has left #maemo17:38
DocScrutinizerwell, you can try to buy a 'certified OC-1100'17:38
DocScrutinizerbut maybe this will change after 2 weeks, when CPU is worn out17:39
_trinedoes that mean my phone is worth more :P17:39
_trineonly joking17:39
kerio_trine: *now*17:39
th3hatestarving profile = less power usage = less heat at the same freq?17:39
DocScrutinizeryour phone is worth *zero* now that it's been OC'd17:40
kerioyou keep using it that way, it'll blow up soon17:40
*** [DarkGUNMAN] has quit IRC17:40
*** thopiekar has joined #maemo17:40
kerioDocScrutinizer: does nokia know if you *ever* OCed it?17:40
*** [DarkGUNMAN] has joined #maemo17:40
SpeedEvilhow does stuff appear on
kerioDocScrutinizer: how?17:41
DocScrutinizerkerio: we must not tell you17:41
_trinethe main thing is as i said before not the speed at which the cpu is overclocked to but rather the temperature its running at17:41
kerioDocScrutinizer: a log in CAL?17:41
*** thopiekar has left #maemo17:41
kerioDocScrutinizer: come on...17:41
DocScrutinizerand for sure a log in chip itself17:42
DocScrutinizerthe chip doesn't forget, and that's the whole crux about OC17:42
_trinemy cpu temp is at this moment 4417:42
th3hatebut normal shops probably wont check that log17:43
_trineand thats very good17:43
th3hatewhen we sell it to them17:43
DocScrutinizerwho cares?17:43
kerioi care! my miniusb port is faulty!17:43
DocScrutinizerthat's clearly unrelated to OC17:43
th3hate_trine, it's about electromigration17:43
th3hatenot temp17:44
kerioyeah but i want a full replace :317:44
DocScrutinizerexcept it maybe grown faster than normal :-P Mine is still micro17:44
kerioam i a bad person?17:44
_trineth3hate, heat and electromigration are related17:44
*** MadViking has quit IRC17:44
kerioDocScrutinizer: ooh, so *that* is the problem17:44
vltR35*C.. is it high value ?17:44
_trinecpu speed and electromigration are NOT related17:44
*** MadViking has joined #maemo17:45
th3hatespeed and heat are related17:46
DocScrutinizer_trine: wrong. CPU clock <is proportional to> CPU Vdd current <is proportional to> electromigration17:46
DocScrutinizerbut *not* linear proportional17:46
th3hatesimple english please :(17:46
_trinemore speed does create more heat but thats only significant when its continually run at a higher speed which is not the case here17:47
DocScrutinizermore like 10 ^ (x ^ 2)17:47
Ford_PrefectGrr, this Meego image refuses to be written to my microSD card17:47
Ford_PrefectI get a "no space left on device" after 10 MB17:47
th3hatego to #meego17:47
*** DrIDK has joined #maemo17:48
Ford_Prefectth3hate: ah, right17:48
DocScrutinizer_trine: again wrong. Hotspots on die heat up in microseconds rather than minutes17:48
_trineDocScrutinizer, but that will not significantly make any difference17:48
_trinethey will heat up anyway17:48
_trinethats just the physics of it17:49
DocScrutinizerwhat is it then you are talking about? metaphysics?17:49
_trinethis type of talk is scaremongering17:49
*** danielwilms has quit IRC17:50
th3hatedevice also heats up on default freqs when under heavy load17:50
DocScrutinizeryou might want to read the comment about smartreflex in anyway17:50
*** FIQ has quit IRC17:50
_trineelectromigration ALWAYS takes place over time with every piece of kit17:51
*** crashanddie has joined #maemo17:51
*** ohwhyme has joined #maemo17:51
_trinethere is noting you can do about it look at the electromigration thats happened to me in 64 years17:52
_trinedont worry17:52
DocScrutinizeragain wrong - EM is an exponential function of electron energy aka current density. There's a threshold though, und which the quantum noise doesn't exceed the crystal structure binding forces17:52
_trineeverything wears out eventually17:52
DocScrutinizerergo -> with a certain amount of current density not exceeded you see very very very few EM17:53
_trineis this taking into account the Heisenberg uncertainty principle17:53
DocScrutinizerfor OMAP3530 this threshold seems to be at a current equaling a clock freq of ~500MHz17:54
_trineor are we talking about Schroedingers cat17:54
*** ZZzzZzzz1 has quit IRC17:54
DocScrutinizernope, we don't talk shroedinger here, but heissenberg is surely involved17:54
_trineand if we are talking quantum then in lots of the other worlds my phone will live forever17:55
th3hateso anything over 500Mhz is bad for cpu?17:55
DocScrutinizerth3hate: yes17:55
th3hateshould i underclock it then?17:55
th3hateto 250-500?17:55
_trineI have a great way of making your phone last a lot longer17:56
_trineturn it off17:56
th3hateliquid nitrogen?17:56
johnsq_trine: than the accu dies.17:56
_trinehe he17:56
DocScrutinizerwell, if you use Nokia standard cpufreq governor setup, then the duration it actually runs at 600 is reasonably restricted not to do noticable harm to the CPU17:56
MohammadAGX-Fade, ping17:56
_trineI just dont worry about such things ,, when if it breaks I will buy another17:57
MohammadAGscp: /var/www/extras-devel/incoming-builder/fremantle/packagename_source.changes: Permission denied17:57
DocScrutinizer_trine: ok, then please let's stop with this whole topic now17:57
th3hatecan we place OMAP4 chip instead of the current one if we find compatible drivers?17:58
_trinebut you were the one carrying it on17:58
*** hari_ has joined #maemo17:59
MohammadAGIt's a SoC, you'll have to replace the whole board17:59
th3hatewhole board = everything inside?17:59
_trineDocScrutinizer, are you interested in quantum mechanics18:00
DocScrutinizerth3hate: simple answer: no you can not18:00
_trineI can reccomend a very good web site18:00
DocScrutinizerthanks, nothing new to learn there18:00
_trinequantum mechanics is one of my life long interests18:01
DocScrutinizerI got my quantum shit sorted for all I need for EE purposes (and a bit beyond)18:01
*** timoph|away is now known as timoph18:02
*** DrIDK has quit IRC18:03
*** sergio__ has quit IRC18:03
_trinethose are some of the student lectures18:03
_trinethere are some good public lectures too18:04
*** Rhoruns has joined #maemo18:06
wazdЕщ штыефдд ыщьуерштп акщь Фвщиу Ш ырщгдв сдщыу умукнерштп акщь Фвщиу фтв Ашкуащч18:06
wazdoh shit18:06
*** ZZzzZzzz1 has joined #maemo18:07
wazdlooks like captions from Borat :D18:07
RST38hLooks like Unicode.18:07
TomaszDdang, this a/v receiver is complicated to set up..18:08
lcukwazd, I am pleased you realised you had mucked up.  I thought for a minute I had started drinking early18:08
wazdI was trying to tell that to install something from Adobe I shoud close everything from Adobe and Firefox18:09
wazd21st century18:09
lcukwazd, it wasn't even russian18:10
*** spinningcompass has joined #maemo18:10
lcukgoogle translate result18:10
lcukEsch shtyefdd yschuershtp aksch Fvschiu W yrschgdv sdschyu umuknershtp aksch Fvschiu FGTS Ashkuaschch18:10
* lcuk is even more confuddled18:10
wazdlcuk: that was english typed with wrong language selected :D18:10
wazdlcuk: my common problem :)18:10
lcukahhh PEBKAC18:11
TomaszDyou type looking at the keyboard?18:11
* lcuk does18:11
lcukeven thought I can fluently touchtype18:11
RST38hT9 turned itself off?18:12
ShadowJKfn lock failed to turn off18:13
*** FIQ has joined #maemo18:13
mgedminthere are apps (FuelPad) that sort of enable Fn mode for numeric entry boxes18:14
mgedmintry to input a floating point value in those -- 124 work fine, but to enter '.' you need to hold Fn18:14
DocScrutinizeryep, amazing feature :-D18:15
ShadowJKhm, they default to , for me, which happens to be the decimal separator in my locale18:15
chem|stmgedmin: fuelpad takes floating point with "," as separator18:15
mgedminchem|st, to enter ',' you also have to hold down Fn18:15
DocScrutinizerShadowJK: HAHAHA - now that sounds more like a bug then18:15
*** sergio__ has joined #maemo18:15
*** romen has quit IRC18:16
chem|stmgedmin: you should be able to enter it without18:16
MiXu-I don't have to hold it18:16
chem|stmmh wierd18:16
mgedminI get = if I don't hold fn18:16
wazdTo continue installation, close all listed processes: Acrobat.exe, Dreamweaver.exe, Illustrator.exe, Photoshop.exe, InDesign.exe, Firefox.exe"18:16
MiXu-But I have a Finnish layout which has . and , in the same key18:16
ShadowJKDocScrutinizer, it always made sense to me that boxes for entering numbers automatically set layout to numbers entry :p18:16
mgedmingood for you18:17
* DocScrutinizer stares at .exe and starts coughing18:17
MiXu-The developer of FuelPad is also finnish I think18:17
chem|stah you got a separate key for ,18:17
mgedminI use the english layout (I'm not sure if it's US or UK)18:17
MiXu-which explains why the issue has gone unnoticed18:17
*** tackat_ has quit IRC18:17
chem|stmgedmin: both the same18:17
mgedmindo you think it's a FuelPad issue?18:17
DocScrutinizerShadowJK: sure, but not taking into account different separators seems odd18:17
mgedminI though it set a property on the gtk input box18:17
chem|stmgedmin: yes18:17
MiXu-So go ahead and file a bug for FuelPad. I'm sure it'll be fixed.18:17
DocScrutinizerShadowJK: looks like it's not completely locale aware18:18
mgedminand the rest is just OS input method doing what it wants to do18:18
chem|stmgedmin: I'd love to rearange all the readings on my keys...18:18
DocScrutinizerShadowJK: ot too aware18:18
ShadowJKbtw port numbers in advances connection settings is also auto-numbers18:18
MiXu-yeah but you don't need special characters there18:19
DocScrutinizermhm, but those are always written with dots18:19
*** romen has joined #maemo18:19
*** vanadismobile has joined #maemo18:19
*** crashanddie has quit IRC18:19
ShadowJKnot port numbers18:19
*** slonopotamus has joined #maemo18:19
mgedminip addresses?18:19
DocScrutinizerooh port numbers18:19
*** aloisiojr has joined #maemo18:19
*** romen has quit IRC18:20
chem|stok it is odd18:20
*** romen has joined #maemo18:20
mgedminaaauagh I hate google reader sometimes18:21
*** jpe_glider has quit IRC18:21
*** TomaszD has quit IRC18:21
mgedminopen a post (it's marked as read), leave it for a few hours, move to a different network, and now you can't do anything18:21
mgedmincan't mark it as "not read"18:21
*** vanadismobile has quit IRC18:22
*** ptlo has quit IRC18:23
*** romen has quit IRC18:23
*** romen has joined #maemo18:24
*** dvoid has joined #maemo18:24
*** romen_ has joined #maemo18:25
*** dvaske has joined #maemo18:25
*** romen_ has quit IRC18:26
*** dvoid has quit IRC18:26
*** kwek has quit IRC18:27
SpeedEvilHow does stuff get syndicated onto /news?18:27
*** Vanadis has joined #maemo18:28
*** Guest91812 is now known as mord18:28
*** sven-tek has joined #maemo18:28
JaffaSpeedEvil: There's a syndicate your blog link on Planet (which gets to /news) and some specific news sources are listed as well18:28
*** romen_ has joined #maemo18:29
*** romen__ has joined #maemo18:30
*** romen has quit IRC18:30
*** romen_ has quit IRC18:30
*** romen has joined #maemo18:30
*** igagis has joined #maemo18:34
*** dvaske has quit IRC18:35
*** yashi has quit IRC18:37
*** spinningcompass has quit IRC18:37
*** mrmoku is now known as mrmoku|away18:38
* Jaffa is restraining himself, badly, on the "Who needs the council" thread18:38
fralsi just saw that thread18:39
* SpeedEvil imagines the council walking on stage with 'The Who'.18:39
*** LjL^ has joined #maemo18:39
*** slonopotamus_ has joined #maemo18:40
*** LjL^ is now known as Guest6162818:40
Jaffa"Whoooooo are you? Whoo Whooo Who Who"18:40
*** ag0ny has quit IRC18:40
*** slonopotamus has quit IRC18:40
*** slonopotamus_ is now known as slonopotamus18:40
MohammadAGCSI FTW18:41
*** LjL has quit IRC18:42
*** murrayc has quit IRC18:43
RST38hHehe, haven't you seen this coming though?18:43
*** Guest61628 has quit IRC18:44
*** achipa has quit IRC18:45
*** Ordog_by has quit IRC18:47
*** Sargun has quit IRC18:48
*** merlin1991 has quit IRC18:48
JaffaRST38h: Sure18:49
*** romen has quit IRC18:49
*** romen has joined #maemo18:49
* RST38h wonders how landscape changes once the Harmattan device is out18:51
*** FIQ has quit IRC18:51
RST38hWould be fun to watch18:51
*** merlin1991 has joined #maemo18:51
CorsacRST38h: what about portrait?18:51
JaffaAs achipa says, so much is still unknown.18:51
RST38hCorsac: NO FLASH!18:51
JaffaNokia insist it'll be more MeeGoish; but there'll be loads of questoins on about packaging debs? Hmm.18:52
*** FireFly|n900 has joined #maemo18:52
infobotJaffa meant: Nokia insist it'll be more MeeGoish; but there'll be loads of questions on about packaging debs? Hmm.18:52
MohammadAGdebs on MeeGo?18:52
*** tackat has joined #maemo18:53
*** FireFly|n900 has quit IRC18:53
RST38hJaffa: Personally I do not expect too much traffic at meego.com18:54
RST38hJaffa: People will stay at maemo.org18:54
*** mitsutaka has joined #maemo18:55
*** kthomas_vh has joined #maemo18:55
*** johnsq has quit IRC18:56
MohammadAGwtf is wrong with the autobuilder18:56
RST38hnothing, just needs a medium sized sacrifice18:57
wazdFlash, ooooh, savior of the universe18:59
* RST38h checks out Meego APIs documentation. Doxygen again. How typical...18:59
*** nicu has quit IRC18:59
*** edisson has joined #maemo19:00
*** kthomas_vh has quit IRC19:01
*** jayabharath has quit IRC19:03
*** eMHa has quit IRC19:03
*** _0x47 has quit IRC19:06
JaffaMohammadAG: Debs on MeeGo-Harmattan (or whatever it gets called)19:07
*** TomaszD has joined #maemo19:07
MohammadAGoh, that MeeGo19:07
*** edisson has quit IRC19:09
*** mlfoster has joined #maemo19:09
*** Shaan7 has joined #maemo19:11
*** mikki-kun has quit IRC19:11
*** luizirber has joined #maemo19:11
*** ohwhyme has quit IRC19:11
GAN900Jaffa, what, not having fun yet?19:12
*** slonopotamus has quit IRC19:13
*** guardian has quit IRC19:13
*** Bash has joined #maemo19:15
*** yashi has joined #maemo19:16
*** amigadave has quit IRC19:17
*** andrenarchy has quit IRC19:18
*** Shaan7 has quit IRC19:19
*** FireFly|n900 has joined #maemo19:19
*** florian has quit IRC19:20
MiXu-There are also studies that indicate that the dumber a person is, the more active sexlife he/she has.19:24
*** flo_lap has quit IRC19:24
JaffaGAN900: Yeah, lots of fun cos I like fishing for compliments :)19:24
JaffaMiXu-: Ah, that explains it.19:24
JaffaMiXu-: Well, that and 6 years of marriage19:24
*** PhonicUK has quit IRC19:28
*** fmeyer has joined #maemo19:28
*** fmeyer has joined #maemo19:29
*** fmeyer has quit IRC19:29
*** fmeyer has joined #maemo19:29
*** fmeyer has quit IRC19:29
*** fmeyer has joined #maemo19:29
*** fmeyer has joined #maemo19:30
*** Shaan7 has joined #maemo19:32
*** ftrvxmtrx has quit IRC19:33
*** crashanddie has joined #maemo19:33
*** DrIDK has joined #maemo19:36
*** sheepbat has quit IRC19:36
*** mrmoku|away is now known as mrmoku19:36
*** retro|cz has quit IRC19:37
*** eMHa has joined #maemo19:37
*** muellisoft has quit IRC19:42
*** C-S-B__ has quit IRC19:43
*** luizirber has quit IRC19:44
*** briglia has quit IRC19:44
*** fmeyer has quit IRC19:44
*** muellisoft has joined #maemo19:45
*** drizztbsd has quit IRC19:46
*** drizztbsd has joined #maemo19:46
*** hurbu has joined #maemo19:46
*** hari__ has joined #maemo19:49
*** C-S-B has joined #maemo19:49
*** hari_ has quit IRC19:51
*** LjL has joined #maemo19:52
*** hannesw has quit IRC19:57
*** jayabharath has joined #maemo19:58
*** acidjazz has quit IRC19:59
*** geaaru has quit IRC19:59
*** dvoid has joined #maemo19:59
*** Mousey has joined #maemo20:00
DocScrutinizerRST38h: if you find docs about sensorfw API, please tell me20:01
*** FireFly|n900 has quit IRC20:01
*** zap has quit IRC20:02
luke-jrany ideas how to get /dev/video* to appear w/o Maemo? -.-20:02
DocScrutinizermodprobe v4l2 ?20:02
DocScrutinizerwild guess20:02
*** davyg has joined #maemo20:03
*** MohammadAG has quit IRC20:04
*** AD-N770 has quit IRC20:05
luke-jrDocScrutinizer: all the modules are loaded ofc20:06
* DocScrutinizer shrugs20:07
DocScrutinizerguess they'll need some config as well20:07
DocScrutinizeras for quite different vlavours of cam out there20:08
*** lopz has joined #maemo20:08
DocScrutinizerflavours even20:08
*** MohammadAG has joined #maemo20:08
*** acidjazz has joined #maemo20:08
*** lopz has joined #maemo20:08
*** lopz has quit IRC20:09
*** lopz has joined #maemo20:09
*** lopz has joined #maemo20:09
*** lopz has joined #maemo20:09
*** marcels has joined #maemo20:09
DocScrutinizerthink I've seen some very specific nokia (kernel?) daemons in ps as well, that sounded like video/cam20:09
SpeedEvilCan I tell it to take shots forever until it runs out of space.20:09
*** lopz has quit IRC20:10
DocScrutinizernothing a while true; do loop couldn't do, with fcam - aiui20:10
*** lopz has joined #maemo20:10
*** crashanddie has quit IRC20:11
SpeedEvildoes fcam take commandline args?20:11
DocScrutinizerno idea, but that's what I thought20:12
SpeedEvilI was wondering about tonight.20:12
*** geaaru has joined #maemo20:13
DocScrutinizerooh :-D20:13
* DocScrutinizer curses clouds20:13
FinnishAny idea why my N900 is sometimes so damn sloe, hildon-home hogs CPU and sometimes I miss calls cause phone is feeling so slow?20:14
DocScrutinizerand milk which tastes like garlic :-O**  so no latte macchiato for DocScrutinizer5120:14
*** kamui has joined #maemo20:14
SpeedEvilI've gone over to UHT milk.20:15
SpeedEvil- heat treated.20:15
SpeedEvilThe modern stuff I can't taste any difference.20:15
DocScrutinizerwon't help on that one :-D20:15
SpeedEvilAnd I can buy 30l and jam it in the cupboard.20:15
*** Shaan7 has quit IRC20:15
*** PhonicUK has joined #maemo20:16
DocScrutinizerstupid cow eaten a whole field of that garlic-alike herbs it seems20:16
SpeedEvilyeah - used to have goats.20:16
SpeedEvil(well - parents did)20:16
SpeedEvilMilk when they'd been on some stuff - hawthorne - for example - was very tainted.20:17
SpeedEvilGarlic mustard?20:17
* SpeedEvil has pulled most of that out of the garden I think.20:17
lcukSpeedEvil, awesome idea (perseids)20:18
DocScrutinizerI'd not even see an iridium flare20:18
DocScrutinizerclouds :-(20:19
*** SmilybOrg has joined #maemo20:19
*** luizirber has joined #maemo20:19
*** Khertan_n900 has joined #maemo20:19
Khertan_n900Hi again20:20
* DocScrutinizer ponders about an iridum flare alarm app20:20
*** SWFu64 has quit IRC20:21
*** SWFu64 has joined #maemo20:21
*** MohammadAG has quit IRC20:22
DocScrutinizershould do ISS and perseids as well20:22
*** SmilyOrg has quit IRC20:22
*** marciom has quit IRC20:22
DocScrutinizerof course GPS based20:23
Khertan_n900Noone have package newer version of pylint for #extras repository ?20:23
*** trbs has joined #maemo20:24
*** fiferboy has quit IRC20:25
*** ftrvxmtrx has joined #maemo20:25
*** edisson has joined #maemo20:26
*** slonopotamus has joined #maemo20:29
*** ml-mobile has quit IRC20:30
Khertan_n900I'm still asking myself if stopping maintain my package in extras repository was a good idea ... as now there are outdated version of python module or apps that stay in the extas repository and noone else maintain them20:30
*** geaaru has quit IRC20:30
*** crs has quit IRC20:30
*** aaq has joined #maemo20:31
*** aaq has quit IRC20:31
DocScrutinizeryeah, you don't quit with garage. No matter where you run to20:31
*** doc|home has joined #maemo20:33
hrwbtw - does something other then mediaplayer and gallery use data from Tracker?20:34
*** Sargun has joined #maemo20:34
*** swc|666 has joined #maemo20:34
luke-jrso anyhow20:36
luke-jrN900 battery lasts *much* longer with R&D disabled…20:36
luke-jr3 hours off AC, GPRS+Wifi enabled, still over 85%20:36
Stskeepsof course20:36
Khertan_n900DocScrutinizer: the problem is mainly that they refuse to remove my package from extras so let s thinking user that it still maintained. And specially when application manager ignore package from third party repository even newer if they exists in maemo repository20:37
*** flo_lap has joined #maemo20:37
Khertan_n900R&D disabled ?20:37
*** flo_lap is now known as florian20:37
luke-jrStskeeps: any idea how to get cameras to work? :P20:37
Stskeepsluke-jr: on mainline?20:37
luke-jron Fremantle20:37
Stskeepsluke-jr: another area we're working in, but that one is a bit more difficult20:37
Stskeepsluke-jr: v4l220:38
luke-jralso, not "of course"-- R&D *should* just disable the stupid watchdogs :P20:38
luke-jrStskeeps: /dev/video* don't exist without Maemo…20:38
Stskeepsluke-jr: then you're not loading the right modules20:38
luke-jryes I am :/20:38
luke-jror rather, udev is20:38
luke-jrI manually loaded every video-related module tho20:38
Khertan_n900Any news on the obs to create repository for maemo ?20:39
JaffaGood reviews in a hotel bar. How glamours20:39
*** SunilGhai__ has joined #maemo20:39
hrwNokia-N900:~# ls /dev/video* -l20:39
hrwcrw-rw----    1 root     video     81,   2 Jan  1  1970 /dev/video020:39
hrwcrw-rw----    1 root     video     81,   1 Jan  1  1970 /dev/video120:39
* luke-jr wonders if fcam is open source20:39
luke-jrhrw: you have Maemo running20:39
infobotJaffa meant: Code reviews in a hotel bar. How glamours20:39
hrwluke-jr: yes, I have20:39
*** retro|cz has joined #maemo20:39
*** maestro has joined #maemo20:40
*** muellisoft is now known as Muelli20:40
infobotJaffa meant: Good reviews in a hotel bar. How glamourous20:40
luke-jrhrw: that's cheating20:40
hrwluke-jr: you asked 'on fremantle'...20:40
*** guardian has joined #maemo20:40
luke-jrhrw: Fremantle kernel20:40
DocScrutinizercheck who's responsible for dev major 8120:41
hrwI wish to have 2nd n900 for playing with 2.6.35 on it20:41
*** SWFu64 has quit IRC20:41
luke-jrhrw: NITDroid has some multiboot thing, and Stskeeps is playing with uBoot20:41
Khertan_n900bye. Must disconnect ... low battery20:42
*** Khertan_n900 has quit IRC20:42
*** fmeyer has joined #maemo20:42
*** luizirber has quit IRC20:43
*** maestro is now known as luizirber20:43
*** SWFu has joined #maemo20:43
hrwluke-jr: I know - have multiboot and nitroid installed. multiboot is crap - to reboot maemo5 I need to power on it too often20:44
*** jaska has joined #maemo20:46
*** dvaske has joined #maemo20:47
*** johnsq has joined #maemo20:48
*** Shaan7 has joined #maemo20:49
luke-jrso is FCam 100% open, and if so, is it usable as a daily-life digicam?20:51
*** Bash1 has joined #maemo20:51
MohammadAG51when they add flash light support, yeah20:52
*** luizirber has quit IRC20:52
*** fiferboy has joined #maemo20:52
*** fiferboy has quit IRC20:52
*** fiferboy has joined #maemo20:52
MohammadAG51luke-jr, I'd use it as a replacement for the camera app, if it had flash support20:52
hrwI use fcamera instead of normal one. lack of flash does not bother me as I do not use it anyway20:53
*** Bash has quit IRC20:53
MohammadAG51wazd, any estimate on the xmb live-wp? :)20:54
*** aziwoqpd has quit IRC20:54
wazdMohammadAG51: I'm working on it right now, faced some crazy shit again - proper codecs don't wan't to show up20:54
wazdthey are installed but neither Premiere nor VDub see them20:55
*** SunilGhai__ has quit IRC20:55
MohammadAG51wazd, i thought live-wp weren't videos?20:55
MohammadAG51(like the matrix one)20:55
*** Shaan7 has quit IRC20:55
wazdMohammadAG51: well, they are videos aswell :)20:55
*** luizirber has joined #maemo20:56
MohammadAG51so you're using the new version20:56
wazdMohammadAG51: yep20:56
*** marciom has joined #maemo20:56
*** aziwoqpd has joined #maemo20:56
Stskeepstimeless: 'MeeGo Devices at Nokia is looking for Project Lead, Localization Testing'20:57
*** Ryback_ has joined #maemo20:58
*** SunilGhai__ has joined #maemo20:59
wazdoh, fiixed21:02
*** slonopotamus has quit IRC21:03
MohammadAG51wazd, yay? :p21:03
*** hari__ has quit IRC21:04
*** FIQ has joined #maemo21:04
*** valdyn has quit IRC21:04
*** slonopotamus has joined #maemo21:05
*** PhonicUK has quit IRC21:06
*** [DarkGUNMAN] has quit IRC21:06
wazdMohammadAG51: 1.43Gb -> 3Mb :D21:11
luke-jrdo fcam-drivers affect normal non-fcam use at all?21:11
MohammadAG51wazd, made a new compression spec? :P21:12
*** timeless_mbp has quit IRC21:14
*** timeless_mbp has joined #maemo21:14
timeless_mbpStskeeps: interesting21:15
wazdMohammadAG51: well, it still lags a bit, maybe downscaling will help21:15
*** smhar has quit IRC21:16
MohammadAG51wazd, mind throwing it over? or at least an online preview? :)21:16
*** Shaan7 has joined #maemo21:16
*** tackat has quit IRC21:17
*** LjL has quit IRC21:17
wazdMohammadAG51: wait a sec :)21:18
wazdMohammadAG51: basically it is this video downscaled
*** LjL has joined #maemo21:21
*** Rhoruns has quit IRC21:21
*** LjL is now known as Guest4926621:21
*** valdyn has joined #maemo21:21
*** gomiam has quit IRC21:23
*** JuniperJaxx has quit IRC21:23
*** timeless_mbp has quit IRC21:24
*** choppa has joined #maemo21:24
*** mece has joined #maemo21:24
*** kamui has quit IRC21:25
*** Arkenoi has quit IRC21:26
*** jaska has quit IRC21:26
*** Arkenoi has joined #maemo21:27
*** sergio__ has quit IRC21:28
*** slonopotamus has quit IRC21:28
*** timoph is now known as timoph|away21:28
*** PhonicUK has joined #maemo21:29
mecewazd, waz'dat?21:29
*** JuniperJaxx has joined #maemo21:30
wazdmece: not sure :D21:30
MohammadAG51wazd, awesome!21:31
MohammadAG51now colours :P21:31
wazdMohammadAG51: well, that's simple21:31
wazdMohammadAG51: if you mean hue change :)21:31
wazdMohammadAG51: I'll try to make different versions after 400x240 video experiment21:32
*** Milo- has left #maemo21:33
MohammadAG51wazd, it's awesome as it is tbh, different colours and i'd release it21:33
wazdMohammadAG51: I have some lags right now, is it fine on your device?21:34
*** jaska has joined #maemo21:34
MohammadAG51it's not like the on my ps321:34
MohammadAG51but it's fine21:34
*** SiggyF has joined #maemo21:35
*** slonopotamus has joined #maemo21:35
*** avs has joined #maemo21:35
*** Vanadis_ has joined #maemo21:35
*** Vanadis_ has quit IRC21:35
wazdMohammadAG51: well, thank that guy that has done all the dirty work :D21:43
wazdMohammadAG51: I've done only re-encoding :)21:44
*** BCMM has quit IRC21:44
lcukwazd, :)21:46
*** Bash1 is now known as Bash21:46
lcukdid you see the startup videos for maemo21:46
*** Bash is now known as Bash121:47
lcuktheres one with glowing balls threading through21:47
lcukI shall dig the thread out21:47
*** Shaan7 has quit IRC21:48
lcukif we can make a followon for a more immersive experience still21:48
*** dazo is now known as dazo_afk21:48
*** Shaan7 has joined #maemo21:50
*** felipec has joined #maemo21:51
wazdwell, low res video acted surprisingly worse21:52
lcuklol wazd21:52
felipechas anybody used ssh through bluetooth?21:53
*** dev has quit IRC21:55
*** disco_stu_N800 has joined #maemo21:55
*** Stskeepz has joined #maemo21:55
*** Stskeeps has quit IRC21:55
*** dev has joined #maemo21:55
*** disco_stu has quit IRC21:56
*** johnsu01 has quit IRC21:56
*** disco_stu_N800 is now known as disco_stu21:56
*** Stskeepz is now known as Stskeeps21:57
*** Stskeeps has joined #maemo21:57
*** timeless_mbp has joined #maemo21:58
DocScrutinizerumm, which profile?22:00
hrwdoes something other then mediaplayer and gallery use data from Tracker?22:01
DocScrutinizernot by default afaik22:01
*** Guest49266 has quit IRC22:02
*** Guest49266 has joined #maemo22:02
*** Guest49266 is now known as LjL22:02
*** cjdavis1 has joined #maemo22:02
*** cjdavis has quit IRC22:04
*** smhar has joined #maemo22:04
*** celesteh has quit IRC22:08
hrwI just disabled nepomuk on desktop22:08
*** johnsu01 has joined #maemo22:09
hrwas I do not see sense in application which has to index GBs of data just to give me a bit better search results22:09
*** chenca has quit IRC22:09
*** lmoura has quit IRC22:09
*** setanta has quit IRC22:09
*** aloisiojr has quit IRC22:09
*** marciom has quit IRC22:09
*** drizztbsd_ has joined #maemo22:10
*** Erod has joined #maemo22:11
*** cjdavis1 has quit IRC22:11
*** drizztbsd has quit IRC22:12
*** Erod has quit IRC22:12
*** villev has quit IRC22:13
*** aloisiojr has joined #maemo22:13
*** lmoura has joined #maemo22:14
*** setanta has joined #maemo22:14
*** chenca has joined #maemo22:15
*** johnsu01 has quit IRC22:17
*** johnsu01 has joined #maemo22:17
*** marciom has joined #maemo22:18
*** NishanthMenon has quit IRC22:19
*** avs has quit IRC22:20
*** cjdavis has joined #maemo22:22
*** briglia has joined #maemo22:23
*** smhar has quit IRC22:24
*** avs has joined #maemo22:24
*** marcels has quit IRC22:26
*** crs has joined #maemo22:27
*** NishanthMenon has joined #maemo22:27
*** dvaske has quit IRC22:29
*** Arkenoi has quit IRC22:31
*** trem has joined #maemo22:31
*** Arkenoi has joined #maemo22:31
*** Yabba has quit IRC22:34
*** SunilGhai__ has quit IRC22:34
*** rd has joined #maemo22:38
*** SunilGhai__ has joined #maemo22:40
*** trem has left #maemo22:41
*** smhar has joined #maemo22:43
*** salman_ has joined #maemo22:43
*** t_s_o has quit IRC22:44
*** ToJa92 has quit IRC22:46
*** nas_ has quit IRC22:47
*** merlincorey has quit IRC22:48
*** salman_ has quit IRC22:49
*** Mysterious has joined #maemo22:51
*** avs has quit IRC22:52
*** hcarrega has joined #maemo22:55
*** hurbu has quit IRC22:55
*** t_s_o has joined #maemo22:56
luke-jrhrw: Nepomuk can't be disabled anymore22:56
luke-jrhrw: on Maemo, Photos requires Tracker22:57
hrwluke-jr: system settings -> nepomuk has an option "enable nepomuk semantic desktop" (or sth like that in english)22:58
hrwso it can be disabled22:58
luke-jrhrw: what old version? :P22:58
hrwluke-jr: kde sc 4.5.0-rc22:59
luke-jrmaybe I just mean at build22:59
hrwii  libnepomukquery4a          4:4.5.0b-0ubuntu1          the Nepomuk Query Library for the KDE Platform22:59
*** davyg has quit IRC23:00
luke-jrhrw: my point exactly23:02
*** ftrvxmtrx has quit IRC23:03
*** juergbi has quit IRC23:03
*** juergbi has joined #maemo23:05
*** amigadave has joined #maemo23:06
jacekowskii think i'm going to buy an iphone23:08
*** jreznik has joined #maemo23:08
*** _0x47 has joined #maemo23:08
luke-jrjacekowski: fail23:08
*** SpeedEvil has quit IRC23:09
luke-jrdon't know where to begin with how wrong that graph is23:09
MohammadAG51let me23:10
luke-jrwell, maybe the graph isn't wrong23:10
MohammadAG51they're not corelated23:10
luke-jrbut the conclusions are23:10
cehtehjacekowski: look closer .. get some surgery make yourself a woman :P23:10
luke-jr12 sexual partners, 1 time each23:10
luke-jrvs 1 sexual partner, every night23:10
*** BCMM has joined #maemo23:10
jacekowskii prefer different partner every night23:10
*** smaug has quit IRC23:10
luke-jrjacekowski: that's your problem23:11
*** Mysterious1 has joined #maemo23:11
MohammadAG51commitment ftw23:11
*** NishanthMenon has quit IRC23:11
*** nicu has joined #maemo23:11
*** jreznik_ has joined #maemo23:12
*** Mysterious has quit IRC23:12
lcukhow fast to amoled screens refresh at?23:12
*** Xisdibik has joined #maemo23:13
lcukis there a set rate, and if you refresh slower do you save the life of them (but can you still see them)23:13
*** jreznik has quit IRC23:13
*** 77CAA2GXD has joined #maemo23:14
*** distantblur has quit IRC23:14
*** SpeedEvil has joined #maemo23:14
*** th3hate has quit IRC23:15
lcukawesome, amoled would work well with white text black background23:15
lcukand be most energy efficient23:15
*** ml-mobile has joined #maemo23:15
*** ftrvxmtrx has joined #maemo23:16
ZogG<luke-jr> 12 sexual partners, at 1 time everyone23:19
*** DrIDK has quit IRC23:19
*** SpeedEvil has quit IRC23:19
*** SpeedEvil has joined #maemo23:19
jacekowskibtw. these numbers looks fakeish23:19
*** FIQ has quit IRC23:19
ZogGjacekowski 101,23:20
jacekowskiwell, 12 partners23:20
jacekowskiduring lifetime, a year or what?23:20
*** murrayc has joined #maemo23:21
SpeedEvilduring lunch?23:21
*** amigadave has left #maemo23:21
luke-jrjacekowski: it says before age 30-something23:21
jacekowskithat looks low23:21
DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: o/23:21
luke-jrjacekowski: if anything, high23:22
luke-jrseeing as it should be 0 or 1 for almost all persons23:22
*** ohwhyme has joined #maemo23:22
*** Timbo has joined #maemo23:23
*** luizirber has quit IRC23:23
jacekowskiemm, what?23:23
ml-mobiledon't get luke-jr going on a moralistic topic, please23:23
Timbowhy is it that the camera app needs an internet connection when geo-tagging is enabled?23:23
Timboit's really annoying23:23
*** Tiagotiago has joined #maemo23:23
Timboi just want it to write gps coords23:23
luke-jrjacekowski: unless ones wife dies, the number of partners should never rise above 123:24
luke-jrTimbo: AGPS23:24
Tiagotiagois there a way i can cripple the settings for using cell voice calls and SMS sending so the N90 will spit out an error when a program tries to use that functionality to help me verify if there is somthing hidden eating up my credits?23:24
SpeedEvilTimbo: It wants to look up the geocode of the place.23:25
Timboany way to turn that off23:25
*** tyan_ has joined #maemo23:26
*** tyan_ has quit IRC23:26
*** tyan_ has joined #maemo23:27
jacekowskiyou mean long term partners?23:27
ml-mobilejacekowski:  please stop23:28
lcukTiagotiago, tablet mode23:29
*** distantblur` has joined #maemo23:29
lcukit allows you to turn the n900 back into a wifi only tablet23:29
lcuki'm fscked if I can remember the name of the package though23:30
*** distantblur` is now known as distantblur23:30
Tiagotiagowill that spit an error when a program tries to use those funcitonalities? Also, would there be a way to cripple the functionality without it being noticeable by programs untill they try to use it?23:30
lcukTiagotiago, just try it, afaik it does23:30
lcukit works like you unplugged the sim I think, I put device into tablet mode when Jake wants to play23:31
jacekowskileave tcpdump running on phonet interface23:31
luke-jrjacekowski: I mean sexual partners, yes23:32
luke-jraka spouses23:32
Tiagotiagothe builtin SMS prog just puts the msg on the outbox to wait when SMS funcitonality is enabled again, which might 9indicate other programs can also detect when the phone is in tablet  mode and just not send anything23:32
* luke-jr wonders if Wireshark supports phonet23:32
*** sven-tek has quit IRC23:33
DocScrutinizerumm, why not?23:34
DocScrutinizerif ifconfig does, why should wireshark fail?23:35
*** Shaan7 has quit IRC23:35
DocScrutinizerthink I even seen pkg wireshark for maemo23:36
*** benh has joined #maemo23:36
luke-jrDocScrutinizer: I mean dissection23:37
luke-jranalyzing the content of the packets23:37
DocScrutinizerumm, no. You mean monitor mode23:37
luke-jrno, I don't.23:37
*** LjL has quit IRC23:37
luke-jrtcpdump works fine for that23:37
Tiagotiagorap, i deleted the msg i tried to send while in tablet mode, but it still got sent when i brought the cell functinality back online, more money down the drain :(23:38
luke-jrtcpdump can write me a nice pcap file with all the binary data going over phonet23:38
luke-jrwhat I wonder is if I open that file up in Wireshark if it will explain the binary data to me23:38
DocScrutinizerhow's a packet tcp over GPRS different to dissect than same packet TCP over e.g WLAN?23:38
luke-jrDocScrutinizer: who said TCP?23:38
luke-jror GPRS?23:38
DocScrutinizersorry you lost me23:39
luke-jrDocScrutinizer: phonet0 != gprs023:39
*** hardaker2 has joined #maemo23:39
*** ohwhyme has quit IRC23:40
luke-jrthe answer is no23:41
luke-jrWireshark has phonet packets 'unknown'23:41
*** LjL has joined #maemo23:41
* kirma notes that qt git repos seem to have pr1.3 related branches that are updated constantly23:42
kirma at least23:44
TiagotiagoWireshark is gimming only a bunch of SLL unicast packets, even when i make a call23:44
*** zs has quit IRC23:45
Tiagotiagohm, a couple of "sent by us" packets popped in now23:45
luke-jrTiagotiago: …23:45
TiagotiagoWireshark is not helping me figure out if i have some hidden program eating up my credits :(23:45
Tiagotiagowhat filter should i use to filter outgoing SMS' in Wireshark?23:47
*** distantblur has quit IRC23:47
*** habmala has joined #maemo23:47
luke-jrTiagotiago: Wireshark doesn't understand phonet, I just said23:47
luke-jrobviously it can't filter what it doesn't understand23:48
SpeedEvilWhen did these SMSs happen?23:48
Tiagotiagothat is what you mean23:48
SpeedEvilAnd how many SMSs are there?23:48
SpeedEvilWas it one/tw at installation of 1.2 ?23:48
luke-jr/kick SpeedEvil23:48
* SpeedEvil sighs.23:48
Tiagotiagoi dunno, i'm not even sure they are being sent at all, but my credit keeps trickling down23:48
*** choppa has quit IRC23:48
SpeedEvilTiagotiago: Do you not have a online account monitoring at you phone provider that will tell you where your credit is going?23:49
Tiagotiagosince i've mangled the username of the GPRS conection i don't think any program is using it, so that leaves me SMS23:49
*** Xisdibik has quit IRC23:49
Tiagotiagoi talked with the support yesterday they will be sending me the log of use of my account by snailmail in the next few days, the guy i talked with didn't knew why they don't offer the log online23:49
*** nicu has quit IRC23:51
Tiagotiagoor can programs use their own GPRS connection indenpendent of the conetion defined in the control panel?23:51
*** carloscesa has quit IRC23:51
*** lizardo has quit IRC23:51
*** murrayc has quit IRC23:52
*** jreznik__ has joined #maemo23:52
timelessoffering logs online increases risk of accidental exposure23:53
timelessi wouldn't want my provider having logs available online23:53
Tiagotiagothe good side is i didn't had much credits to start with, so even if i take several days to figure out what is going on, i'll jsut hit zero credits and not have lost much money (should be around 5 bucks total)23:53
Tiagotiagoas long as they provide strong password and encryption etc, shouldn't be much of an issue23:54
timelessyou're assuming they're competent23:54
timelessthat's a terrible assumption23:54
Tiagotiagoyeah, they aren't23:54
timelesssilly guy23:54
*** jreznik_ has quit IRC23:54
timelessif you know someone isn't competent, don't assume they are in your expectations o...23:55
*** Ian-- has quit IRC23:55
Tiagotiagobut it would be aviable int he same place where i can do other things that would cost me money, so my account is already in danger anyway23:55
*** luizirber has joined #maemo23:55
DocScrutinizerluke-jr: phonet0==gprs0 * <whatever OTA protocol>23:55
Tiagotiagoit's protected behind a 4 digits numeric password and a 4 char alphanumeric captcha though23:57
DocScrutinizerwhile phonet0 gives me -> SLL sent by us ; gprs0 works just fine23:57
DocScrutinizernow you might google for SLL if you feel like :-)23:57
*** NishanthMenon has joined #maemo23:57
DocScrutinizerSercure Link Layer?23:58
*** luizirber has quit IRC23:59

Generated by 2.15.1 by Marius Gedminas - find it at!