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| SwedeMike | timeless: GSM is GSM, and it's 2G (or perhaps 2.5G). UMTS is 3GPP 3G, and I'd say that most of the world 2G and 3G is GSMA/UMTS, and it's perfectly valid to use them as such. | 13:20 |
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| TiagoTiago | what about WCDMA? | 13:21 |
| timeless | tiagotiago++ | 13:21 |
| timeless | 3G/3.5G/4G are generation markers | 13:21 |
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| timeless | they do not specify the technology | 13:22 |
| timeless | but when you say | 13:22 |
| SwedeMike | since the N900 doesn't support anything apart from the GSMA/3GPP stuff, I don't see your objection as valid. | 13:22 |
| SwedeMike | it's all a matter of context. | 13:22 |
| TiagoTiago | hm, according to Wikipedia, W-CDMA is also known as UMTS-FDD | 13:22 |
| TiagoTiago | https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/WCDMA | 13:23 |
| SwedeMike | the N900 will display 2G for GSM, 2.5G for GSM with EDGE, 3G for UMTS, and 3.5G for HSPA | 13:23 |
| SwedeMike | and I think this is perfectly valid to talk about in this context. | 13:23 |
| SwedeMike | and trying to besserwisser people into not using that will only cause confusion. | 13:24 |
| MohammadAG | hmm | 13:24 |
| SwedeMike | yes, it might not be perfectly valid in all parts of the world, but in the context of N900 talk it's perfectly valid. | 13:24 |
| MohammadAG | /dev/mtd5 shouldn't affect the N900's NOLO right? | 13:24 |
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| timeless | the conversation included a worldwide context somewhere | 13:24 |
| TiagoTiago | is the N900 capable of measuring signal intensity/quality for more than one cell tower at once? | 13:25 |
| MohammadAG | shouldn't charging be handled by the kernel? | 13:25 |
| SwedeMike | timeless: that was me, stating I had travveled and it working in several parts of the world which run things that the N900 supports. | 13:25 |
| SpeedEvil | TiagoTiago: yes, but no. | 13:25 |
| TiagoTiago | how so? | 13:25 |
| timeless | TiagoTiago/Stskeeps: fwiw, the n900 is missing a GSM-3G in the US | 13:25 |
| SpeedEvil | TiagoTiago: the hardware is quite capable of it. | 13:25 |
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| timeless | the 3G band used by AT&T | 13:25 |
| SpeedEvil | TiagoTiago: The software in the modem does not allow this. | 13:26 |
| timeless | err, s/Stskeeps/SwedeMike/ | 13:26 |
| timeless | MohammadAG: the kernel is GPL or something | 13:26 |
| SwedeMike | timeless: yes? | 13:26 |
| TiagoTiago | is this somthign witht he firmware or a program might be able to bypass the limitation? | 13:26 |
| timeless | if you want to keep the code non GPL, then sticking it in the kernel is a bad idea | 13:26 |
| timeless | swedemike: one of you wondered about the n900 covering all GSM bands worldwide, just noting that it doesn't | 13:27 |
| achipa_afk | Jaffa: errr... http://gitorious.org/kisstester ? | 13:27 |
| MohammadAG | timeless, low level charging should be handled by the kernel | 13:27 |
| Jaffa | achipa_afk: Ta | 13:27 |
| MohammadAG | bme doesn't run with the device off afaik | 13:27 |
| * timeless shrugs | 13:27 | |
| timeless | the kernel doesn't run w/ the device off | 13:27 |
| SpeedEvil | there is also an 450MHz band. | 13:27 |
| MohammadAG | hmm, true | 13:27 |
| MohammadAG | but afaik, bme doesn't handle charging at first | 13:28 |
| MohammadAG | could be the bq27xx chip | 13:28 |
| TiagoTiago | is the code for the modem closed or is there hope for multiple tower stuff to be implemented? | 13:29 |
| Jaffa | achipa_afk: Is it supposed to build yet, or is it a "run it directly" job atm? | 13:29 |
| MohammadAG | TiagoTiago, closed | 13:29 |
| TiagoTiago | :( | 13:29 |
| MohammadAG | you could beg nokia to open it :P | 13:29 |
| SpeedEvil | Can anyone with the power kernel installed pastebin me find /sys -name "*current*" | 13:29 |
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| TiagoTiago | sec | 13:30 |
| TiagoTiago | ok, more than a sec :/ | 13:30 |
| Stskeeps | actually its probably renesas you have to ask now | 13:30 |
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| Stskeeps | nokia sold off/moved their modem division to renesas | 13:31 |
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| trumee | anybody used an A-data sdhc card? i am looking for some recommendations for sdhc | 13:38 |
| timeless | well, because we're nokia | 13:38 |
| trumee | would like to use it for nitdroid | 13:38 |
| Jaffa | achipa_afk: Ah, OK - then I'm using less software which needs voting than I thought! :-) | 13:38 |
| TiagoTiago | ah, i see | 13:38 |
| timeless | and it'd be bad if our device was brickable in a bad way | 13:38 |
| Jaffa | achipa_afk: Heh, just spotted a character encoding/UTF-8 bug. I love those :-) | 13:38 |
| MohammadAG | Hmm, lesson to everyone here, never dd /dev/mtd5 | 13:38 |
| SpeedEvil | And worse if the device was usable for advanced hacking/freaking. | 13:38 |
| TiagoTiago | officially Nokia can' be for the possibility of people gettign their own modem firmwares running 'cause that would look bad 'cause of that mobile hacking tool law thingyt | 13:39 |
| SpeedEvil | (of the phone nets) | 13:39 |
| SpeedEvil | TiagoTiago: It can also disrupt emergency calls. | 13:39 |
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| Jaffa | achipa_afk: Looks very promising. | 13:39 |
| SpeedEvil | TiagoTiago: This can actually lead to people getting killed. | 13:39 |
| TiagoTiago | I want a phreak machine *pouts* | 13:39 |
| Jaffa | achipa_afk: Happy to do some hacking on it too, btw | 13:39 |
| timeless | tiagotiago: get a gun and shoot it | 13:39 |
| timeless | that'll freak it out | 13:40 |
| TiagoTiago | lol | 13:40 |
| timeless | note: the above is not official advice | 13:40 |
| TiagoTiago | sure | 13:40 |
| trumee | timeless: i have setup a freeswitch server for testing against Bug 10388. Have given the details to Mikhail (Nokia) and Olivier (Collabora). Hope they make use of it. | 13:40 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10388 Choppy audio in SIP conversation, WLAN power save problem? | 13:40 |
| timeless | ... you are not expected to actually act on it | 13:40 |
| timeless | /disclaimer! | 13:40 |
| timeless | trumee :) | 13:40 |
| TiagoTiago | wasn't necessary, at least when dealing with me | 13:40 |
| timeless | tiagotiago: this channel is logged | 13:40 |
| trumee | timeless: if only these guys came onto irc, sigh! | 13:40 |
| timeless | and i really don't want people to claim i gave out advice like that :( | 13:41 |
| TiagoTiago | are people really that sue hapy? | 13:41 |
| Jaffa | achipa_afk: s/Recently installed/Software you're using that you haven't voted on yet: you leecher!/? | 13:41 |
| timeless | i really don't want to find out :) | 13:41 |
| TiagoTiago | they could get the log and clip the non interesting parts out | 13:41 |
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| TiagoTiago | does pastebin works on the default browser of the N900? | 13:42 |
| SpeedEvil | TiagoTiago: Many sites work, some that you don't expect. | 13:42 |
| timeless | i'm pretty sure i've used pastebin.mozilla.org from it | 13:42 |
| timeless | why would pastebin not work? | 13:42 |
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| TiagoTiago | i'm trying to load the page to post somthign there and it isn't showing the stuff | 13:43 |
| timeless | which pastebin? | 13:43 |
| TiagoTiago | .com | 13:43 |
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| TiagoTiago | the other day i read about this guy that figured out how to trick mobiles into conecting to his own mini tower and he was able to spy on calls, i think it was on defcon | 13:45 |
| timeless | yep | 13:45 |
| timeless | he set up a tower on a frequency not used/regulated in the USA | 13:45 |
| timeless | gave it a name to match something they were configured to look for | 13:45 |
| timeless | and ran it w/ a "i don't support encryption" marker | 13:45 |
| TiagoTiago | to avoid law enforcement issues | 13:45 |
| timeless | some phones said "oh hi there, can i make a call?" | 13:46 |
| timeless | it said "sure" | 13:46 |
| timeless | more or less | 13:46 |
| TiagoTiago | it was in the unregulated ham radio band or somthing | 13:46 |
| timeless | yep | 13:46 |
| TiagoTiago | it's interesting the unregulated band could be used to hack into people's cell conections | 13:47 |
| * trumee is embarrased to ask timeless if he could check nokia internal bug (int-171987) to see whether there is any update. | 13:47 | |
| timeless | last reference is to https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10388#c16 | 13:48 |
| povbot | Bug 10388: Choppy audio in SIP conversation, WLAN power save problem? | 13:48 |
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| trumee | timeless: thanks :) | 13:49 |
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| timeless | trumee: in other words: the public bug has more current/better info | 13:52 |
| timeless | i think you guys have more or less managed to get the engineers into the public. congrats :) | 13:53 |
| TiagoTiago | http://pastebin.com keeps loading and loading and doesn't work :( | 13:53 |
| timeless | ime pastebin.com sucks <period> | 13:54 |
| TiagoTiago | ehich one do you recomend? | 13:54 |
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| TiagoTiago | which* | 13:54 |
| timeless | i tend to use pastebin.mozilla.org | 13:55 |
| timeless | but you could try pastebin.ca or paste.lisp.org or .. | 13:55 |
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| timeless | anyway, are you talking about the initial page or the submit result page? | 13:56 |
| TiagoTiago | not getting any different result from either | 13:56 |
| timeless | hrm | 13:56 |
| timeless | i just used pastebin.com from one of my n900s | 13:57 |
| TiagoTiago | it's working for you? | 13:57 |
| timeless | http://pastebin.com/tBpGZ03H | 13:57 |
| timeless | that's from pr1.2 | 13:57 |
| timeless | ~typing triggers urlbar; enable javascript; stop other web apps: no | 13:58 |
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| TiagoTiago | have you seen that proposal for the 9 screens 2D swiping home screens? | 14:03 |
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| TiagoTiago | pastebin.com keeps loading and doesn't show the contents :( | 14:04 |
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| TiagoTiago | who was asking for find /sys -name "*current*" on power kernel? http://pastebin.com/dCk1m1xf | 14:11 |
| timeless | the channel topic points ot irc logs | 14:12 |
| MohammadAG | wasn't it SpeedEvil ? | 14:13 |
| TiagoTiago | ok, i checked the log, it was | 14:13 |
| TiagoTiago | is he still around? | 14:13 |
| kerio | SpeedEvil! | 14:13 |
| MohammadAG | yes | 14:13 |
| SpeedEvil | oh - yes | 14:13 |
| SpeedEvil | thanks | 14:14 |
| TiagoTiago | sorry about the delay, couldn't get pastebin to work on the device itself | 14:14 |
| SpeedEvil | np | 14:14 |
| MohammadAG | TiagoTiago, ssh ftw | 14:15 |
| SpeedEvil | TiagoTiago: hmm. Is there a bq27x00_battery module that you can modprobe? | 14:15 |
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| SpeedEvil | nvm if ou can't easily find out | 14:15 |
| MohammadAG | SpeedEvil, afaik there is | 14:15 |
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| SpeedEvil | yes - I'm just trying to work out the sysnode for the current it reports | 14:15 |
| TiagoTiago | actually i copied it from the terminal and sent the contents in an email to myself and then copied it on my desktop and pasted on the site | 14:16 |
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| TiagoTiago | seems it wasn't the fastest way to do it | 14:16 |
| Jaffa | Wow, created my first merge request. | 14:16 |
| SpeedEvil | :) | 14:17 |
| TiagoTiago | :) | 14:17 |
| SpeedEvil | There is also 'pastebinit' | 14:17 |
| SpeedEvil | though I never got that to work | 14:17 |
| MohammadAG | SpeedEvil, "And you will have a directory /sys/class/power_supply/bq27200-0 containing files: capacity, current_now, temp, voltage_now. | 14:17 |
| MohammadAG | " | 14:17 |
| SpeedEvil | ah - thanks | 14:17 |
| MohammadAG | and afiak, kernel-power uses that | 14:17 |
| MohammadAG | (Matan's patch) | 14:17 |
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| SpeedEvil | it may not be modprobed by default though | 14:18 |
| MohammadAG | yep | 14:18 |
| MohammadAG | hm, borked my N900 - again | 14:19 |
| TiagoTiago | I wonder if i should make myself a t-shirt with a big QR code with the text "Hahah! Made you look!" | 14:19 |
| SpeedEvil | TiagoTiago: naah. | 14:20 |
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| SpeedEvil | A QRcode to a website with just an image of the QRcode | 14:20 |
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| TiagoTiago | perhaps a link to Rick Astley's infamous video on youtube? | 14:20 |
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| SpeedEvil | Okaay. Searching HAM for power. I get 'power kernel updater' and 'power kernel (obsolete please remove this package) | 14:26 |
| SpeedEvil | is the kernel updater the package I'm looking for? | 14:27 |
| MohammadAG | kernel-power-flasher | 14:27 |
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| MohammadAG | apt-get install that | 14:27 |
| SpeedEvil | I suppose I need to pull fcam first | 14:27 |
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| Jaffa | achipa: I've submitted a (one-line) patch to kisstester BTW | 14:29 |
| achipa | Jaffa: already merged :) though your git setup is is not yet complete (you show up as "user" in the logs) | 14:30 |
| Jaffa | achipa: That's cos I committed it on the N900 and hadn't set it up as you say | 14:30 |
| Jaffa | git should stop you doing that | 14:31 |
| achipa | Jaffa: no biggie, just saying in case you were not aware :) | 14:31 |
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| achipa | I'll go and fix the vote dialog now (it worked but I decided to change it to a mainwindow so we have stacked windows and pushed without realizing that change is only halfway through) | 14:32 |
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| Jaffa | achipa: Fixed for future | 14:32 |
| SpeedEvil | Is this a package in testing as yet? | 14:32 |
| achipa | SpeedEvil: it's so not in testing it's not even in devel yet :) | 14:32 |
| SpeedEvil | I meant devel | 14:33 |
| SpeedEvil | And suspected so | 14:33 |
| achipa | I want it to have at least minimum functionality before going to devel | 14:33 |
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| SpeedEvil | fair enough. | 14:33 |
| achipa | as in that you CAN actually vote | 14:33 |
| SpeedEvil | :) | 14:33 |
| Jaffa | achipa: Suggest renaming "Recently installed" to "Awaiting votes" | 14:34 |
| achipa | also, is there a way to obtain .install files from maemo.org ? | 14:34 |
| achipa | I mean for extras-testing stuff ? | 14:34 |
| achipa | Jaffa: agreed | 14:34 |
| Jaffa | achipa: I think so, but easier to just generate on the fly? | 14:34 |
| SpeedEvil | Maybe an initial testing version that can only vote on a test package? | 14:34 |
| achipa | SpeedEvil: good idea | 14:35 |
| achipa | SpeedEvil: if you're interested you can get it from gitourius | 14:35 |
| SpeedEvil | I don't have a toolchain setup on my laptop. | 14:35 |
| achipa | SpeedEvil: (for now)... no need to compile, just run | 14:35 |
| achipa | you just need pyqt on the N900 and you're good to go | 14:36 |
| SpeedEvil | ah - right | 14:36 |
| achipa | that's the beauty of python :) | 14:36 |
| TiagoTiago | there is a thread on talk.maemo.org with a link to get the fcam stuff that is comptible with the powerkernel | 14:36 |
| MohammadAG | recompiled fcam-drivers | 14:36 |
| SpeedEvil | http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Software_Power_management#Powerscript - a simple script to show wake events. | 14:36 |
| SpeedEvil | And current battery usage. | 14:37 |
| SpeedEvil | I'm getting it working with power-kernels battery module too, and then moving on to fixing the rest of the page. | 14:37 |
| achipa | Jaffa: note that the progress bar is flaky - don't bother fixing it, I'm doing it completely wrong, just added it so you don't wait half a minute wondering what's going on | 14:38 |
| achipa | Jaffa, SpeedEvil : and of course, comments, patches, merge requests welcome :) | 14:39 |
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| lcuk | achipa, Jaffa (morning!) is kisstester in the repos already? or are you guys hacking from source atm until its stable/comfortable? | 14:41 |
| achipa | lcuk: morning (err) ! the latter | 14:41 |
| achipa | lcuk: no pushing to extras-devel until we're sure people don't get burned | 14:42 |
| lcuk | cool, make sure it can vote on itself when its time! | 14:42 |
| achipa | lcuk: heh, it will do that automatically ! (kidding) | 14:42 |
| lcuk | :p | 14:42 |
| TiagoTiago | seems we need an addiotnal repo, somthing like extra-experimental for things even the developers themselves don't feel confortable with | 14:42 |
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| achipa | TiagoTiago: long ago, in a distant land, there was an idea... and it was called PPA :D | 14:43 |
| TiagoTiago | what does that stands for? | 14:43 |
| lcuk | achipa, ++ | 14:43 |
| achipa | TiagoTiago: personal/private package archive, as popularized by Ubuntu launchpad | 14:44 |
| TiagoTiago | hm | 14:44 |
| lcuk | TiagoTiago, small package repositories from single developers - if you want to track the code and apps a single person/group have been making before they are in official repos you use them | 14:45 |
| lcuk | exceedingly good idea | 14:45 |
| * timeless shrugs | 14:45 | |
| * timeless has one for maemo5 | 14:45 | |
| lcuk | yes you do timeless | 14:45 |
| TiagoTiago | i was thinking more about somthing that is centralized like the other extra, but with an additional level of there be dragons | 14:45 |
| achipa | but we're beyond that point - OBS will probably change everything anyway | 14:45 |
| lcuk | but not everyone has hosting/skills to manage it | 14:45 |
| achipa | TiagoTiago: the point is that one dragon is enough at a time, you don't want to unleash all of them simultaneously | 14:45 |
| TiagoTiago | lol | 14:46 |
| lcuk | i see someone else watched "how to train your dragon" | 14:46 |
| TiagoTiago | it would be the place for devs to post unstable, WIP etc code, things that are expected to not be usable etc | 14:46 |
| * lcuk actually read that line in thick viking/scottish accent | 14:46 | |
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| achipa | lcuk: heh, I just saw the trailer... intend to watch is someday tho :) | 14:47 |
| lcuk | its fun | 14:47 |
| timeless | it's :( | 14:48 |
| achipa | TiagoTiago: yes, that's pretty much the concept behind launchpad with extra stuff like built-in bugtracking, roadmaps and all :) | 14:48 |
| TiagoTiago | but would it be just another extra-* repo? | 14:49 |
| achipa | TiagoTiago: with a single repo, the problem is interdependent projects | 14:49 |
| lcuk | TiagoTiago, it would be a choise to say "ahhh I like achipa's apps and branches and want to have them installed" | 14:49 |
| lcuk | choice | 14:49 |
| * lcuk goes for coffee and bacon | 14:49 | |
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| TiagoTiago | that is diferent from a very experimental unstable etc repo | 14:50 |
| lcuk | not really | 14:50 |
| lcuk | achipas stuff is unstable :P | 14:50 |
| TiagoTiago | lol | 14:50 |
| achipa | lcuk: pfft :D | 14:50 |
| lcuk | TiagoTiago, having everything in one repo makes it hard to differentiate | 14:51 |
| achipa | lcuk: unstable is the wrong word. It would have to work in some way in order to be unstable, right ? :P | 14:51 |
| lcuk | just because I want to track some new cool app | 14:51 |
| TiagoTiago | differentiate what? | 14:51 |
| lcuk | does not mean I want to update all the instable ones | 14:51 |
| lcuk | nor manage which I update on an app by app level | 14:51 |
| lcuk | u | 14:51 |
| achipa | TiagoTiago: I want always the latest mplayer, but not ukeyboard | 14:51 |
| achipa | TiagoTiago: and I don't want always to upgrade one by one - as lcuk says | 14:51 |
| TiagoTiago | i think we are talking about two different concepts | 14:52 |
| achipa | TiagoTiago: yes, but the PPA is far more often what people are after | 14:52 |
| lcuk | TiagoTiago, if ppa were implemented, -devel would revert to being as you say | 14:52 |
| achipa | (the experimental repo means something else, even in Debian) | 14:52 |
| TiagoTiago | what does it mena? | 14:53 |
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| achipa | TiagoTiago: experimental is (almost) literally just a dump, there is little to no requirement to fullfill dependencies, and it is not a full repo (i.e. you don't always go through it to get to unstable) | 14:55 |
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| johnsq | Hi | 14:56 |
| TiagoTiago | hm | 14:58 |
| TiagoTiago | heççp | 14:58 |
| TiagoTiago | hello* | 14:59 |
| * achipa goes off to fix the vote dialog (finally) | 14:59 | |
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| Corsac | hmhm, is n900 requesting usb chargers to be smarts? (I tried using a car charger/usb-adapter and it didn't charge) | 15:05 |
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| lcuk | morning wazd \o | 15:05 |
| ShadowJK | d+/d- shorted | 15:06 |
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| wazd | lcuk: greetings from Mordor :D | 15:06 |
| wazd | hello all :) | 15:06 |
| lcuk | ghaha | 15:06 |
| wazd | Sauron's kingdom looks pathetic next to Moscow :D | 15:07 |
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| BluesLee | can someone help out with skype viedo call? | 15:10 |
| BluesLee | i dont see an option to do a video call, only "skype call" | 15:11 |
| Corsac | ShadowJK: so that means “smart”? :) | 15:12 |
| ShadowJK | not really | 15:12 |
| Corsac | ShadowJK: I mean, random usb-adapter won't work | 15:12 |
| ShadowJK | it's how dumb chargers should identify themselves as dumb charger | 15:12 |
| TiagoTiago | try rebooting | 15:13 |
| TiagoTiago | somtimes it shows somtimes it doesn't, if someone enables their video durign the call (or call you with their video already enabled) the phone app will show the option of you starting your own video during the call | 15:14 |
| Corsac | I had car chargers, one with standard female A connector, the other with miniB male | 15:14 |
| TiagoTiago | i haven't figured out yet what makes the option in the contact only show somtimes | 15:14 |
| TiagoTiago | anyway, i'll go lay down for a bit, cya | 15:14 |
| Corsac | +2 | 15:14 |
| BluesLee | TiagoTiago: thanx | 15:14 |
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| TiagoTiago | good luck :) | 15:15 |
| BluesLee | TiagoTiago: i saw a similiar hint on talk.maemo.org | 15:15 |
| BluesLee | now i deinstalled my pidgin protocols, hehe | 15:15 |
| TiagoTiago | anyway, cya | 15:16 |
| BluesLee | cya | 15:16 |
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| SpeedEvil | Okaay - that's bad - install powerkernel, and vi segfaulted. | 15:18 |
| SpeedEvil | I thought it came with non-overclocked settings. | 15:18 |
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| kwtm | Corsac: I just started looking at this discussion. Having trouble charging the n900 with car USB charger? I know why. Is that the problem, or should I go back and review earlier records of this discussion? | 15:29 |
| kwtm | Oh, ShadowJK already has it under control. :) | 15:29 |
| ShadowJK | that was his problem | 15:30 |
| kwtm | Agree that it's dumb that you need to short D+ and D- to charge the N900. The whole thing would have been solved by a single 100k (say) resistor, which would have cost Nokia, what, $0.25 to install? duhhh... | 15:30 |
| kwtm | Anyway, I plan to buy a short USB extension cable and solder D+ and D- so I don't have to solder either my car chargers or my Nokia USB cable. | 15:31 |
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| kwtm | Ideally it would be a small USB adapter that plugs into USB type A plug and accepts also a USB type A plug, but since that adapter would be absolutely useless before I solder the D+/D-, no one would sell such a thing. I guess the USB extension cable would be the next closest thing. | 15:33 |
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| Corsac | kwtm: basically yeah, I had problem with usb car chargers | 15:34 |
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| kwtm | Corsac: Just to be clear: it's solved now, right? Or, at least, you know how to solve it? Or should I tell you the answer? | 15:35 |
| Jaffa | lbt's OBS plan contains PPAs. And that's for Fremantle, Harmattan and MeeGo | 15:35 |
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| SpeedEvil | kwtm: no - the hardware can charge without d+ and d- shorted - it's a software/USB certification thing. | 15:36 |
| Corsac | kwtm: well, I know the theory (putting a 100k resistor between D+ and D-), now I'm not sure how to do that (since I don't have any resistor, soldering iron or whatever at hand :) | 15:36 |
| kerio | SpeedEvil: can't we hack the n900 so it sucks as much power as it can? | 15:37 |
| ShadowJK | kwtm: uh it's not a hardware requirement to have resistor/short there, it's a policy/standards thing | 15:37 |
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| SpeedEvil | kerio: it's a several line script. | 15:37 |
| kerio | oh noes | 15:38 |
| ShadowJK | voltage only and unconnected D could be a PC, and if you pull full power from that you could disable/kill the usb port | 15:38 |
| kerio | :P | 15:38 |
| ShadowJK | oops, talling ontop of SpeedEvil | 15:38 |
| kerio | is a full bme replacement in the works then? | 15:38 |
| sebastianha | anyone knows where I can get the sources of the tuxracer and gltron ports to n900 by mikkov? | 15:38 |
| SpeedEvil | kerio: yes | 15:38 |
| kerio | is it ready? | 15:38 |
| kwtm | ShadowJK: I know it's not a hardware requirement. But it would be SOOoooo easy to do! Just in case, you know, Nokia doesn't have any software engineers capable of making the N900 charge even without a data connection. | 15:39 |
| ShadowJK | not really | 15:39 |
| crashanddie | hmm, sounds like there's a big fire in the area -- just saw a couple dozen firetrucks fly by with sirens and all | 15:39 |
| ShadowJK | kwtm, I can make it charge without data connection | 15:39 |
| kwtm | ... or a product manager who thinks, "Gee, I wonder if I should allow our customers to use car chargers to charge the N900?" | 15:39 |
| SpeedEvil | No - it needs more work. Donations of hot thai live-in workers to help me with the housework would increase my output on hacking stuff. | 15:39 |
| crashanddie | kwtm: erhm... you don't need data connection for charging | 15:40 |
| SpeedEvil | kwtm: modern car chargers implement the charger spec | 15:40 |
| SpeedEvil | where modern is perhaps 2 years designed | 15:40 |
| ShadowJK | kwtm, I have a car charger that complies with USB Charging spec. It works fine with n900 out of thw box | 15:40 |
| kerio | SpeedEvil: huh, are you sure that won't *hinder* the development? | 15:40 |
| SpeedEvil | kerio: yes. | 15:40 |
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| crashanddie | SpeedEvil: is "hacking" a euphemism, then? | 15:41 |
| kerio | hacker? i hardly know 'er! | 15:41 |
| BCMM | this promises to be amusing | 15:41 |
| kwtm | ShadowJK: Weren't you the one who sent me the script to allow the N900 to ignore the floating D+/D- inputs? But the casual N900 user shouldn't need to find and run this software in order to use a car charger. | 15:42 |
| crashanddie | and they don't | 15:42 |
| crashanddie | just use a proper charger | 15:42 |
| kerio | the casual n900 user should buy a good car charger | 15:42 |
| ShadowJK | kwtm, a car charger should be properly designed in the first place | 15:42 |
| kerio | the fucking cheap bastard | 15:42 |
| crashanddie | and not wire the USB cable directly to the battery | 15:42 |
| SpeedEvil | crashanddie: But it charges _really_ fast like that | 15:42 |
| kerio | (also, the n900 has no end users) | 15:43 |
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| crashanddie | SpeedEvil: oh yeah, it even goes faster than the car :D | 15:43 |
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| kwtm | Well, I'm just thinking of the case where I am travelling with the N900 and for some reason lose my charger. Then I go buy a charger locally. That charger may or may not implement the proper spec. | 15:43 |
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| crashanddie | kwtm: again, products don't try to tackle every exceptional worst case scenario | 15:43 |
| kwtm | So, perhaps my needs/expectations of the N900 are different: I want it to be portable and adaptable so I don't need to bring a whole bunch of peripherals. | 15:43 |
| crashanddie | kwtm: if you lose your charger, though. Use a USB cable and your laptop or buy a proper charger | 15:44 |
| Corsac | tbh I have to admit I just bought a car charger in a mobile store | 15:44 |
| ShadowJK | I'd claim chargers that don't implement usb charging spec are defective :P | 15:44 |
| Corsac | so yeah it's not a nokia-certified one, but I assumed it would be a conforming one | 15:44 |
| kwtm | This was based on my experience with my Treo650: I was stuck without a charger overseas, so I hit about a dozen electronics stores trying to get a charger for the non-standard port/non-standard battery, with no luck. | 15:44 |
| crashanddie | kwtm: I built my own USB-hub-hacked-USB-periperhal-charger that is mounted on my motorbike, so it can't be that hard | 15:44 |
| kwtm | I thought, "Boy, if I had a N900, I would be able to just buy a standard microUSB cable and charge it from anywhere!" But I guess such is not the case. | 15:45 |
| crashanddie | kwtm: I'm about to stop you from trolling | 15:45 |
| kwtm | crashanddie: You're kidding, right? "I was able to do it, so it can't be that hard." I am able to do it, too, but not if I'm travelling and don't have a soldering iron ready. | 15:45 |
| ShadowJK | Problem is it's hard to find standards compliant charger ;p | 15:45 |
| kwtm | Who's trolling? I think it's valid to expect that the N900 is a portable device to be used when travelling, when one might not have all the resources available from home. | 15:46 |
| kwtm | ShadowJK: Agreed. So I think the easiest way to get around this is to | 15:46 |
| kwtm | create a USB cable/adapter with D+/D- shorted. | 15:46 |
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| kwtm | It does mean that you have to carry it around when travelling, so it would be equivalent to | 15:47 |
| ShadowJK | Buy a shitload of chargers repeatedly and return the ones that don't work, eventually manufacturers stop making crap ;p | 15:47 |
| crashanddie | I'm starting to get really tired of all the whining kids going "OMG, I paid 500 bucks and it doesn't cover the exact specific use case of mine, LOOOOOOSSER" | 15:47 |
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| ShadowJK | yeah my car cost 9000 and I can't use the cheap heating oil in it | 15:48 |
| ShadowJK | not even diesel! | 15:48 |
| kwtm | needing a special adapter (just like the Treo does have a USB adapter available for $25 ... which I couldn't get on short notice while travelling overseasl) | 15:48 |
| ShadowJK | I have to use something called petrol | 15:48 |
| crashanddie | ShadowJK: omg, sucks | 15:48 |
| crashanddie | ShadowJK: return the car! Go whine on #manufacturer! | 15:49 |
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| crashanddie | ShadowJK: like, what if you happen to be in the middle of africa, and they don't have this proprietary petrol you talk of which your car uses, like, HOW CAN THEY BELIEVE THE CAR IS USABLE IN SUCH CONDITION??? | 15:49 |
| ShadowJK | and also they're mixing ethanol or something at manplaces now, and it's hard to tell in advance what you're going to get :/ | 15:51 |
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| crashanddie | I don't like the E10 petrol though | 15:51 |
| crashanddie | (on a more serious note) | 15:51 |
| crashanddie | Apparently it's corrosive with specific engines (my bike has that problem) | 15:51 |
| crashanddie | So last time I had to do 20 miles to get normal 95 petrol | 15:52 |
| korhojoa | it's the plastic parts that sometimes aren't ethanol resistant | 15:52 |
| korhojoa | they can withstand the solvent capability of normal fuel but not ethanol | 15:53 |
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| crashanddie | plastic or rubber? | 15:54 |
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| V13 | Anyone can help with gtk ? | 15:57 |
| lcuk | V13, ask question and perhaps someone will know | 15:57 |
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| V13 | i try to add support for portrait mode and I need to relayout my widgets. | 15:57 |
| V13 | but I fail miserably... | 15:57 |
| SpeedEvil | Isn't 'portrait' mode simply the window being resized to 400*800 not 800*400? | 15:58 |
| V13 | I am not destroying the widgets. Instead I try to create some new HBox/VBoxes and put the in there.. | 15:58 |
| MohammadAG | SpeedEvil, it's just a flag, yes | 15:58 |
| V13 | SpeedEvil: I believe yes, but to have a proper display you have to re-layout the widgets. | 15:58 |
| V13 | else the window is ugly. | 15:59 |
| V13 | and I fail on re-layout. | 15:59 |
| V13 | I'm using python but this should not be the problem. | 15:59 |
| V13 | Anyway, the problem seems to be that I cannot change the widgets once they are parented. | 16:00 |
| V13 | I tried remove() and add(), but no good | 16:00 |
| V13 | I tried reparent()... same... | 16:00 |
| lcuk | hmmm v13 | 16:01 |
| V13 | If anyone has written any gtk app with portrait mode support, should have faced that.. or I'm doing something very wrong. | 16:01 |
| * lcuk wonders why there isnt an orientation flag on a Box widget but thats a different question | 16:01 | |
| V13 | no need for that.. I've two columns of widgets in landscape and I need to make it one column in portrait., | 16:02 |
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| V13 | (it's the configuration window) | 16:02 |
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| lcuk | v13, screenshots help to explain your thinking :) | 16:03 |
| V13 | imagine two columns of options in landscape that don't fit in portrait. | 16:03 |
| V13 | so you just create one column with all options | 16:03 |
| V13 | it's like: .. and : | 16:04 |
| lcuk | sure | 16:04 |
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| V13 | anyway. that's not the problem. | 16:04 |
| V13 | the reparenting thing seems to be | 16:04 |
| lcuk | but if I were to go and ask people who *would* know the correct way to deal with this, rather than trying to explain in 2000 lines, one screenshot would do the job | 16:05 |
| V13 | ? | 16:05 |
| V13 | ok.. here's the question. I've an HBox() and a widget in it. Can I move the widget from this HBox to a newly created VBox() ? | 16:05 |
| V13 | (no need to explain more) | 16:06 |
| crashanddie | V13: no | 16:06 |
| crashanddie | V13: not easily, and you'll end up with memory leaks | 16:06 |
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| V13 | arg... | 16:07 |
| V13 | so I need to create a new set of widget from scratch ? | 16:07 |
| crashanddie | V13: just store the widget state, delete hbox and widget, and reinstantiate in vbox | 16:07 |
| timeless | ain't gtk awesome? | 16:07 |
| V13 | it sucks :) | 16:07 |
| timeless | upgrade to html :) | 16:07 |
| V13 | that was just the confirmation | 16:07 |
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| V13 | 1000x thanks crashanddie | 16:07 |
| * V13 goes back to the coding cave | 16:08 | |
| lcuk | gtk can reparent i am sure | 16:08 |
| V13 | it can.. but it doesn't work as expected. | 16:08 |
| crashanddie | lcuk: and everytime I've tried it, over the past 6 years, it's always buggered me | 16:08 |
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| lcuk | stop painting a target on your ass then | 16:09 |
| crashanddie | oooh, so that's why the dart competition hurt so bad | 16:09 |
| crashanddie | I remember an old hack in C where you had to malloc() and memcpy() the widget, then re-parent it | 16:09 |
| lbt | Jaffa: quick FYI .... we've installed OBS on new HW at OSU. need to setup projects and get an audit I think | 16:09 |
| crashanddie | I doubt that the python libraries support reparenting | 16:09 |
| crashanddie | anyway, I'm out, 'later all | 16:10 |
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| * lcuk likes new kylie song | 16:17 | |
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| SpeedEvil | np: Blondie - Maria. | 16:19 |
| lcuk | hmm | 16:20 |
| lcuk | i'll listen | 16:20 |
| lcuk | but you just reminded me of heart of glass | 16:20 |
| lcuk | and I recall childhood | 16:20 |
| SpeedEvil | Heart of glass is great too. | 16:20 |
| SpeedEvil | Maria does not however disgrace it - which is surprising. | 16:20 |
| lcuk | my mother will be pleased I am listening to crappy songs | 16:21 |
| * SpeedEvil wishes ISPs were compelled to provide a 'you have used this much data' API | 16:21 | |
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| * SpeedEvil ponders modern music. | 16:21 | |
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| SpeedEvil | I think Florence and the machine - My Boy Builds coffins - is one of my current favourites. | 16:21 |
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| * lcuk shall have to see when Kylie is coming to UK again for concerts | 16:22 | |
| lcuk | or shall find a way to see her elsewhere | 16:22 |
| SpeedEvil | Download mastalker. | 16:23 |
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| SpeedEvil | P2P coordination of stalking. With scheduling, to ensure a 24*7 watch on likely locations. | 16:23 |
| lcuk | twitter exists for that | 16:23 |
| ohwhyme | hey SpeedEvil | 16:25 |
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| ohwhyme | i remember you told me about t-mobiles internet for 20 pounds | 16:25 |
| ohwhyme | can you get that anymore? | 16:25 |
| ohwhyme | cause i just got my sim card | 16:25 |
| SpeedEvil | yes - I think so | 16:25 |
| ohwhyme | cant seem to find the deal for 20 pounds for 6 months | 16:26 |
| lcuk | SpeedEvil, thanks | 16:26 |
| SpeedEvil | http://www.t-mobile.co.uk/services/payg/boosters/ | 16:26 |
| SpeedEvil | they hide it. | 16:26 |
| SpeedEvil | For some reason. | 16:26 |
| SpeedEvil | lcuk: thanks? For anything in particular? /me is confused. | 16:27 |
| ohwhyme | thanks man | 16:27 |
| lcuk | SpeedEvil, enjoying blondie | 16:27 |
| SpeedEvil | ah | 16:27 |
| lcuk | the neighbours are too | 16:27 |
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| * SpeedEvil was listening to radio 1 - the ibitha set from GrandMaster Flash. Awesome. | 16:28 | |
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| SpeedEvil | I regret that my sound system only went to 14. | 16:28 |
| lcuk | my little speakers are straining, but the high pitched sounds are getting through | 16:28 |
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| * lcuk goes for chip butties at Carl Winterbottoms | 16:29 | |
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| SpeedEvil | That reminds me of SirMix-A-Lot. | 16:29 |
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| ohwhyme | what speakers do you have? | 16:31 |
| lcuk | some labtec ones | 16:31 |
| * lcuk is ashamed | 16:31 | |
| * SpeedEvil is more ashamed. | 16:31 | |
| SpeedEvil | http://www.radio-now.co.uk/pure_oasis.htm | 16:32 |
| SpeedEvil | Which is surprisingly loud, and OK quality. | 16:32 |
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| SpeedEvil | I need to hook my speakers up again - but I've mislaid my class D amp board. | 16:32 |
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| * lcuk once had a party at home | 16:34 | |
| lcuk | my entire large bedroom window bowed to the music | 16:34 |
| lcuk | and cupboard boards fell on peoples heads when we were jumping around | 16:34 |
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| lcuk | (to jump around) | 16:34 |
| lcuk | it was a great party | 16:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | mooo | 16:35 |
| lcuk | police came :$ | 16:35 |
| b-man | lol | 16:36 |
| * lcuk starts on coldplay | 16:36 | |
| lcuk | viva la vida kicks ass | 16:36 |
| * lcuk might make that an intro to something | 16:37 | |
| MohammadAG | heh | 16:37 |
| MohammadAG | lcuk, lol @ police part | 16:37 |
| lcuk | MohammadAG, yeah they had complaints about the noise from the next street | 16:38 |
| lcuk | dave answered the door in his underpants I believe | 16:38 |
| MohammadAG | heh, someone called the german police on us while we were in germany | 16:38 |
| lcuk | or we managed to hide him | 16:38 |
| MohammadAG | they brought a translator with them | 16:38 |
| b-man | sounds like it was a crazy party xD | 16:38 |
| lcuk | heh | 16:38 |
| lcuk | b-man, it was an awesome party | 16:39 |
| lcuk | we blew up a stereo | 16:39 |
| MohammadAG | us? nope, 10 5800s all on the same song | 16:39 |
| b-man | LOL | 16:39 |
| lcuk | and happily managed to produce an identical drop in replacement | 16:39 |
| lcuk | that was awesome magic | 16:39 |
| lcuk | there were gatecrashers too o_O | 16:39 |
| MohammadAG | ROFL, how do you blow up a stereo? | 16:39 |
| luke-jr | MohammadAG: a bomb? | 16:39 |
| b-man | LOL | 16:39 |
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| MohammadAG | luke-jr, yeah, I should know that | 16:39 |
| lcuk | MohammadAG, drastic impedence mismatch on the outputs or beer poured into it | 16:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | poor EE | 16:40 |
| MohammadAG | lcuk, I'll go with the beer | 16:40 |
| lcuk | o_O @ original version of James - Sit Down. | 16:41 |
| lcuk | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ew7Zkkucos8 | 16:41 |
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| lcuk | thats awesome I havent heard that before - its very close to the released version | 16:42 |
| lcuk | but its just different enough to be cool | 16:42 |
| b-man | O_o | 16:42 |
| b-man | hmm | 16:43 |
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| * lcuk is pleased he put on music today | 16:44 | |
| DocScrutinizer | buuurrrp, OMFG. How will I make sure nobody installs *#-ena to PR1.0.1 etc? | 16:45 |
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| lcuk | DocScrutinizer, technically add a dependency (and use it) that reuqires pr1.2? | 16:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | seems the pkg needs a RDEPENDS or whatever, to latest | 16:46 |
| V13 | IIRC, PR1.2 uses a different repository. | 16:47 |
| V13 | So if you upload it and it gets compiled, it will not be installable by PR<1.2 | 16:47 |
| V13 | no? | 16:47 |
| * DocScrutinizer wonders... | 16:47 | |
| b-man | i think it depends on what it is | 16:47 |
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| V13 | Of course anyone can get the .deb from the site... | 16:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's really my first pkg ever, and not vrn a 'real one' | 16:48 |
| b-man | some library versions on PR1.3 are the same as PR1.1, some are not | 16:48 |
| b-man | **1.2 | 16:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | actually it depends on a certain version of dialer and cellmo I'd say | 16:49 |
| b-man | hmm | 16:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | not even sure about that | 16:49 |
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| V13 | DocScrutinizer: Depend on mp-fremantle-generic-pr >= 10.2010.19-1 | 16:50 |
| V13 | (perhaps) | 16:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | k, thanks mate | 16:50 |
| V13 | but that's not 100% effective | 16:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | sure, but good enough | 16:50 |
| frals | preferably depend on the package that got updated? | 16:51 |
| b-man | that should work for the most part | 16:51 |
| V13 | I'd go with frals' suggestion if you know the package | 16:51 |
| b-man | i used that method for kernel-debian-img on my upcoming nitdebian port for the N900 | 16:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | rtcom-call-ui, and errr cellmo? | 16:52 |
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| frals | is it the modem firmware stuffthingy? | 16:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep | 16:52 |
| frals | cmtx-firmware might be the one? | 16:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | but, on 2nd thought, new rtcom-call-ui won't work with old cellmo | 16:52 |
| b-man | (btw, just as a hint: nitdebian is structured very similarly to ubuntu-n8x0 ;P) | 16:53 |
| b-man | but this time it will be complete | 16:53 |
| b-man | and i'm not releasing it until it's structurally finished | 16:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | so if A depends on B depends on C, then A needs to check for B but not for C | 16:54 |
| b-man | yeah | 16:54 |
| b-man | C should pull in necessary dependencies unless for a special case | 16:55 |
| b-man | in which A uses a special feature that C's dependencies don't provide | 16:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | starhash-ena "interacts" with rtcom-call-ui, so checking for right version should suffice | 16:56 |
| alterego | I feel soooo rough | 16:56 |
| alterego | Stag do last night. | 16:56 |
| alterego | Drank from 8am until 4.30am | 16:56 |
| TermanaN900 | DocScrutinizer, You could just make the package description "Dont be a nob - only install on PR1.2 kthxbye" | 16:57 |
| b-man | kinda like the kernel-power package | 16:57 |
| timeless | err | 16:57 |
| TermanaN900 | alterego, you drank so much, time went backwards! :P (kidding) | 16:57 |
| timeless | why dont you just set a proper depends? | 16:58 |
| frals | TermanaN900, or just set proper depends | 16:58 |
| frals | because users dont read the description | 16:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | timeless: that's what I'm pondering | 16:58 |
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| TermanaN900 | frals, frankly i think secretly calling them nobs is better than setting proper depends :P | 16:59 |
| koala_man | how do I take a photo automatically or from the cli? I tried with a basic gst-launch line, which works but gives a tinted and blurry image | 16:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil might be able to help | 17:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | seems he knows a few "secret spells" for gstreamer | 17:00 |
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| kkal | dear friends. I have betrayed you | 17:01 |
| kkal | I have bought an android phone | 17:01 |
| MohammadAG | ok? | 17:01 |
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| H5wpaO6k4b | i+hacked+into+an+airline's+computer+systems+and+stole+a+huge+bunch+of+frequent+flyer+points+then+traded+them+in+for+merchandise+and+got+a+sony+playstation+2 | 17:02 |
| H5wpaO6k4b | MMMMMMMMMMMMM.+Crunchy,+mushy+CATBOX.+The+PEARL+OF+THE+ORIENT.+You+JERK+THAT+SHIT,+HOLMES.+You+JERK+IT+LIKE+YOU'VE+NEVER+JERKED+BEFORE.+For+the+LOVE+OF+CHRIST+AND+BALLS,+JERK+like+the+WORLD+IS+GOING+TO+FUCKING+END. | 17:02 |
| H5wpaO6k4b | girl,+you+must+be+rearden+metal+because+i'd+like+to+run+a+train+on+you. | 17:02 |
| H5wpaO6k4b | The+night+begins,+so+sets+the+sun,+but+chatting+now+has+just+begun.+T'will+yet+be+hours+ere+I+am+done,+for+I'm+the+chat+world's+favorite+son.+Although+by+day+I+am+made+fun+(they+say+that+I+weigh+nigh+a+ton,+they+say+ten+feet+I+cannot+run),+sour+regrets;+I+have+yet+none.+They+may+laugh+and+they+may+shun,+but+words+cannot+match+my+shotgun;+as+fast+and+far+as+they+may+run,+I'll+pick+them+all+off+one+by+one. | 17:02 |
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| p5DqE | Pudge+Picnic+:+chubs+on+chubs+with+flab+to+spare.+"No+condoms!"+yelled,+but+we+don't+care!+Dude's+be+fucken,+dudes+be+fucked,+dudes+be+shittin,+dudes+be+sucked.+Writhing+on+the+concrete+floor,+these+chubs+are+sluts.+They're+obese+whores!+And+gross!+They've+never+taken+baths.+Too+much+chili!+Awful+gas!!! | 17:02 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, | 17:02 |
| Poka64 | wtf | 17:02 |
| MohammadAG | ping | 17:02 |
| p5DqE | "Shh,"+Snape+said,+their+mouths+very+close.+He+lifted+his+hand+off+Harry's+erection+and+smoothed+it+over+his+cheek.+It+was+a+breathless+sort+of+moment,+in+a+series+of+moments.+Harry+looked+at+Snape's+face,+enjoying+the+sensual+transformation.+Features+normally+so+severe+softened+by+desire,+flushed,+glistening.+Harry+didn't+have+time+to+wonder+what+Snape+saw+in+his+own+face,+for+Snape+was+kissing+him+again. | 17:02 |
| H5wpaO6k4b | i+was+going+through+the+logs+in+my+toilet+today+and+i+found+a+letter.+i+don't+remember+eating+a+letter.+funny+thing+is..+it+was+a+letter+from+my+colon+telling+me+to+eat+less+fiber.+ps:+i'm+shutting+down+until+you+have+sex+with+men.+after+plowing+the+fields+of+the+nearest+12+guys+i+could+find,+my+brother+walks+into+the+room.+he+says,+"haha+jokes+on+you+i+put+that+note+in+your+turd.+you+just+fucked+a+bunch+of+dudes+for | 17:02 |
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| RWsCUUObUB47M | When+I+was+little+a+friend+told+me+that+if+you+swallow+chewing+gum+it+stays+in+your+stomach+for+7+years.+After+I+was+married+I+told+my+husband+and+he+laughed+until+he+choked+me+unconscious+and+then+raped+me+viciously+in+every+hole! | 17:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | as long as you don't start whining about it here now | 17:02 |
| p5DqE | A+note+to+the+idiot+who+keeps+sending+me+anonymous+emails+claiming+to+have+"f*cked"+my+mother:+1)+Do+you+really+think+i+don't+have+your+IP+address+and+have+a+relatively+good+idea+of+who+you+are?+2)+Do+you+really+think+I+care+about+your+weird+sexual+fantasies?+3)+Have+you+even+SEEN+my+mother?+HAHAHA+4)+Keep+it+up.+The+messages+are+being+logged,+stored+and+passed+on+to+the+relevant+authorities+and,+of+course,+your+ISP...+5)+I | 17:02 |
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| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, DocScrutinizer51 | 17:02 |
| Poka64 | :/ | 17:02 |
| RWsCUUObUB47M | I+have+always+fantasized+about+being+a+doll.+like+one+of+those+real+dolls,+only+my+owner+doesn't+know+I'm+in+there.+They+think+I'm+just+a+doll,+when+really+I+am+enjoying+everything+that+is+bring+done+to+me.+Having+no+control+of+my+body,+being+dominated+completely,+and+then+being+put+away+when+I'm+not+being+used.+However,+I+know+that+this+is+not+possible+in+the+real+world,+which+saddens+me.+I+however+I'm+sure+there+i | 17:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | fuck | 17:02 |
| RWsCUUObUB47M | Is+it+politically+correct+on+this+list+to+trash+Microsoft+and+show+destain+for+money?+If+so,+I+must+protest.+Microsoft+is+the+best+thing+that+ever+happened+to+computer+users,+ever.+It+will+never,+never+be+replaced+by+user+unfriendly+software+like+linux+or+TeX.+Never. | 17:02 |
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| osTHgKiDDDZ | I'm+not+trying+to+brag+or+anything,+but+yeah,+I+smoke+weed.+I+don't+give+a+damn+what+anyone+says+regarding+marijuana+laws.+Go+ahead,+trace+my+ip.+Tell+the+cops+where+I+live,+I+should+be+able+to+put+whatever+i+want+in+my+body,+may+it+be+marijuana,+a+10+year+olds+childs+semi+erect+penis,+or+cocaine.+The+government+doesn't+have+any+right+telling+us+what+is+"ok"+to+consume. | 17:03 |
| TermanaN900 | MohammadAG, hes too concerned about the android guy | 17:03 |
| osTHgKiDDDZ | The+girl+can+probably+never+be+said+to+truly+enjoy+the+experience+if+she+is+fearful+for+her+life+or+suffering+the+trauma's+of+the+victimization+but+it+still+seems+funny+to+be+that+if+she+is+going+to+be+raped+anyhow+than+she+should+at+least+get+a+good+fuck+out+of+it. | 17:03 |
| osTHgKiDDDZ | I'm+not+really+gay,+I+just+act+that+way+to+annoy/creep+out+people. | 17:03 |
| osTHgKiDDDZ | Meth+is+the+shortest+word+in+the+English+language+one+can+lisp+while+drunk+and+underage+at+a+gay+bar.+It+can+therefore+be+no+surprise+that+homosexual+males+have+congregated+around+the+substance+since+its+inception.+For+every+meth+mouth,+there+is+an+equal+and+opposite+meth+dick. | 17:03 |
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| b-man | wtf | 17:03 |
| kkal | heh. spam is offtopic :D | 17:03 |
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| hiqUiD9DWT | All+the+guys+in+this+IRC+channel+I+hang+out+in+are+really+profane+and+gross.+They+talk+about+child+porn+and+act+racist+a+lot+of+the+time,+and+every+night+before+I+go+to+bed+I+pray+for+God's+forgiveness,+and+for+God+to+forgive+them.+Then+I+remember+I'm+wiccan.+Blessed+be! | 17:03 |
| marienz | DocScrutinizer: might want to ban or at least quiet *!*@gateway/web/cgi-irc/irc.wikia.com/* for a while | 17:03 |
| hiqUiD9DWT | fuck+all+this+elexctronic+shit.+Give+me+a+typewriter,+a+pushbutton+telephone,+and+a+bank+of+teletype+machines+with+yellow+paper.+Then+you+could+make+sense+of+this+crap | 17:03 |
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| b1Ypznm | I+GOT+SOMETHING+FOR+ALL+U+DAMN+MOMS.+IT+SOMEWHAT+RESEMBLES+THE+PECAN+LOGS+YOU+GET+AT+CHRISTMAS.+THATS+RIGHT+ITS+A+BIG+BLACK+PECKER! | 17:03 |
| hiqUiD9DWT | Objectivism+is+nothing+but+selfishness+with+a+philosophical+bumper+sticker+stuck+on+its+ass+that+somehow+purports+to+elevate+it+to+respectability.+Objectivism+will+succeed+as+soon+as+human+nature+is+purged+of+empathy,+sympathy,+love+for+one's+family,+love+for+one's+community,+love+for+humanity+itself.+In+other+words,+never.The+only+people+who+take+this+shit+seriously+are+earnest+but+naive+college+students+with+too+much | 17:03 |
| b1Ypznm | I+get+off+on+sticking+my+dick+into+house+hold+appliances.+one+day+i+put+it+in+a+blender,+i+was+really+drunk.+When+i+woke+up+in+the+hospital+my+forskin+was+gone+and+they+had+to+put+in+50++stiches.+Needless+to+say,+i+enjoyed+it+thoroughly. | 17:03 |
| b-man | no duh lol | 17:03 |
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| MohammadAG | works equally well I guess | 17:03 |
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| TermanaN900 | Anyway as i was about to say before the spamfag came | 17:04 |
| frals | fwiw DocScrutinizer, i think its safe to ban irc.wikia.com as most people who arent spambots use freenode web iface | 17:04 |
| TermanaN900 | does anyone actually know who that guy is that brought the android phone? | 17:04 |
| kkal | DocScrutinizer well I'd disallow unregistered users | 17:04 |
| TermanaN900 | :P | 17:04 |
| kkal | errr I mentioned buying an android phone | 17:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | we don't like to +b/q $~a | 17:05 |
| TermanaN900 | yes you | 17:05 |
| TermanaN900 | does anyone know you? | 17:05 |
| TermanaN900 | :P | 17:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | it has side effects | 17:05 |
| kkal | no | 17:05 |
| * MohammadAG suggests bitching on #freenode | 17:05 | |
| kkal | well..... probably not | 17:05 |
| MohammadAG | I'm already there :P | 17:05 |
| marienz | DocScrutinizer: *!*@gateway* is *probably* a bit more wide than is really necessary (they started spamming through the wikia cgi-irc shortly after we've captcha-protected webchat.freenode.net, which hasn't been spammed with since then) | 17:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | yesyesyes | 17:05 |
| trumee | so if a phone is overclocked and later reverted to stock kernel. does that invalidate the warranty? | 17:06 |
| MohammadAG | marienz, why aren't all webchats captcha-protected? | 17:06 |
| kkal | TermanaN900: I've had both the n800 and n810 and not deciding to get the n900 was a difficult decision for me | 17:06 |
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| marienz | MohammadAG: because we don't run them | 17:06 |
| MohammadAG | makes sense, shut off all APIs | 17:07 |
| MohammadAG | oh wait, nvm, IRC doesn't support that | 17:07 |
| marienz | MohammadAG: webchats work by the server they run on (most of them) or the browser itself (java-based ones) connecting to us as a regular irc client | 17:07 |
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| marienz | MohammadAG: so unless we implement some kind of irc-level captcha we can't captcha-protect webchats not running on our own infrastructure (like this wikia one) | 17:07 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I'm going to throttle joins today... | 17:08 |
| MohammadAG | marienz, yes I know, we run a private server on our site | 17:08 |
| MohammadAG | less users -> less spam though | 17:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | will bite our ass on netsplits I bet | 17:08 |
| koala_man | is the camera app foss? | 17:08 |
| MohammadAG | no | 17:09 |
| janmalte | hello together, i'm looking for a way to get more rootfs. There are several ways to do so at the maemo wiki. Could you tell which one is the best? | 17:09 |
| MohammadAG | fcam is | 17:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | somebody around here good with ircbots? | 17:10 |
| TermanaN900 | DocScrutinizer, why, what do you want? | 17:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer | set up a bot on my box, to act upon multiple fast joins from same IP*mask* | 17:11 |
| TermanaN900 | DocScrutinizer, why dont you just disallow fast joining with the channel mode? | 17:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | there's e.g dropegg | 17:11 |
| TermanaN900 | unless freenodes stupid ircd doesnt support that channel mode | 17:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | as join throttle isn't as configurable as that proprietary solution would be | 17:12 |
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| achipa | Jaffa: if you're up to it, I just pushed a ver with a voting dialog that (gasp) actually displays, plus a few tidbits | 17:14 |
| trumee | so if a phone is overclocked and later reverted to stock kernel. does that invalidate the warranty? | 17:15 |
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| frals | yes | 17:15 |
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| * DocScrutinizer coughs and mumbles "told ya it's not yet over.." | 17:15 | |
| trumee | frals, but if the phone is not fried is that still an issue? | 17:15 |
| frals | yes, you still did something to it that voided the warranty... | 17:16 |
| * achipa envies people who actually have warranties to worry about | 17:16 | |
| frals | its not something you can take back :p | 17:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~tell trumee about omap-oc | 17:16 |
| niko | /12 | 17:16 |
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| trumee | frals, hmm. how does Nokia know that the phone has been OC | 17:16 |
| achipa | frals: if you have a car that has a warranty for 100.000km and you get to 120.000km, does the warranty get unvoided if you drive it 40.000km in reverse ? | 17:17 |
| MohammadAG | of course it does | 17:17 |
| achipa | or sth to that effect :) | 17:17 |
| MohammadAG | duh | 17:17 |
| MohammadAG | :P | 17:17 |
| frals | achipa: :D | 17:18 |
| frals | trumee: dunno, dont care :) | 17:18 |
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| alterego | â/lastlog alterego | 17:19 |
| alterego | whoops :) | 17:19 |
| TermanaN900 | trumee, your answer is yes your warranty is void, but if something happens and your a dishonest person, they probably wont take the time to check and your warranty will stick | 17:19 |
| SpeedEvil | Who was asking about gstreamer? | 17:20 |
| koala_man | I was asking about capturing an image, because gstreamer didn't white balance or focus | 17:21 |
| SpeedEvil | ah | 17:21 |
| SpeedEvil | I have no idea aout how to get gstreamer to do that. | 17:21 |
| koala_man | I can post-process white balance, but not focus | 17:21 |
| SpeedEvil | you could look at the source of lfocus | 17:21 |
| koala_man | I'll give fcam a try | 17:22 |
| MohammadAG | or fcamera | 17:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | meh, COFFEE, sudo make me C0FFEE | 17:22 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, user joerg is not in sudoers, this incident will be reported | 17:22 |
| koala_man | is it in any of the repos? | 17:22 |
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| lcuk | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=75ftfH2PoMU | 17:27 |
| lcuk | crap wrong chan | 17:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer | lcuk: cheap brazil remake? | 17:30 |
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| lcuk | remake of? | 17:30 |
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| lcuk | DocScrutinizer, its a followup to the walkin fridge/wardrobe one from last year | 17:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | Brazil, the first film a whole country was named alike | 17:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | don't tell me you don't know Brazil by Terry Gilliam | 17:31 |
| lcuk | i won't tell you then, and just google it | 17:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Wh2b1eZFUM | 17:34 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ok, the trailer is errr humm.... not really representing the mood of the film | 17:37 |
| lcuk | lol | 17:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | but it should suffice for a "Ohh THAT brazil, sure I've seen that" | 17:39 |
| MohammadAG | oh swell | 17:39 |
| MohammadAG | I flashed and now modest doesn't show Nokia Messaging | 17:39 |
| MohammadAG | damn operator restrictions | 17:39 |
| SpeedEvil | apt-get remove modest | 17:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | GREAT! | 17:39 |
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| DocScrutinizer | getting rid of Nokia msgs can't be anything particularly bad | 17:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | except maybe for Nokians who might be supposed to use it :-D | 17:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer | lcuk: at least brazil has kinda same tubing Heineken got in this ad | 17:43 |
| lcuk | ahhh DocScrutinizer its not unheard of | 17:43 |
| lcuk | its just beer on call thats fun | 17:43 |
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| lcuk | i saw a few weeks ago some guys had created a cool robot who would go and pull a selection of beer from the fridge and deliver it to you | 17:44 |
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| lcuk | used high tech recognition and AI to perform it | 17:44 |
| lcuk | Man: laziest of all | 17:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | not exactly | 17:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | the effort to build that thing would dwarf the lifelong burden of fetching your beer the traditional way | 17:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer | probably even regular service is more effort than delivering beer to a whole army :-P | 17:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | so you have to be both lazy and blind/stupid to build such a thing to easy your daily life | 17:47 |
| SpeedEvil | Or you have to find it a recreation. | 17:48 |
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| SpeedEvil | If building the robot is cheaper recreation than - for exampl e- going out to expensive events - then you can't really count it simply as a cost. | 17:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep | 17:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer | but then it's more the mere joy of doing it, rather than the benefit of it fetching your beer - if everything pans out every once in a while | 17:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | not exactly laziness related | 17:51 |
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| * DocScrutinizer muses idly about bots stopping their attacks same moment they are quieted in a channel | 17:52 | |
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| DocScrutinizer | what an asshole anyway... tried to read a few words of his spam. Disgusting and sad | 17:54 |
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| trumee | does ps3 six axis controller need a different kernel as well. can that invalidate warranty? | 17:58 |
| timeless | i sure hope it doesn't need a new kernel | 18:00 |
| timeless | that'd be pretty impressive levels of fail, even for linux | 18:00 |
| timeless | ok, wait a sec, i take that back, it'd probably be typical fail | 18:00 |
| Termana | Please be a macfag somewhere else | 18:00 |
| Termana | :P | 18:00 |
| timeless | fwiw,i'm pretty sure that sticking your n900 in the washing machine voids your warranty | 18:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | but, tbh, I fear the strings of spam are just a medley of the mails and posts to irc from the infected PCs rather that statements that skiddie made up | 18:01 |
| trumee | timeless, ok i am lost on your response. does sixaxis need a separate kernel? | 18:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | timeless: nope, but starting the program does immediately :-P | 18:02 |
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| trumee | and is that an issue with warranty | 18:03 |
| timeless | trumee: i dunno | 18:03 |
| timeless | the general idea is that doing something risky *can* void your warranty | 18:03 |
| timeless | but the vendor can be nice and choose to service your product anyway | 18:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | but installing a new kernel isn't per se such risky operation | 18:04 |
| timeless | or if it discovers serious damage which had to come from your voiding it | 18:04 |
| timeless | well, let's use my washing machine example | 18:04 |
| timeless | if i do that and ask them to service my n900 | 18:04 |
| timeless | they're likely to laugh at me when they see the water damage | 18:04 |
| timeless | it'd be clear that the damage wasn't from proper care, and that i voided it | 18:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | and started the washing program, 95°C | 18:05 |
| timeless | similarly, if they see that you've burned out the chip | 18:05 |
| timeless | then that too wouldn't happen from the warranteed software | 18:05 |
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| trumee | timeless, i see your point | 18:05 |
| Termana | DocScrutinizer, I don't know, I think I learned a thing or two from the spam. "Meth is the shortest word in the english language one can lisp while drunk and underage at a gay bar" | 18:05 |
| Termana | and "Microsoft is the best thing that ever happened to computer users, ever." | 18:05 |
| Termana | Or... maybe I guess not | 18:05 |
| Termana | No, I guess it wasn't that useful | 18:06 |
| timeless | heh | 18:06 |
| Jaffa | achipa: Pulled newest version, once the "Already installed" button has been hit, and dpkg called lots, no packages get display: "Already installed" shown at the top of the screen (selected) with "Complete QA queue" alongside it, unselected. | 18:06 |
| trumee | timeless, i guess that means sixaxis kernel is okay to install :) | 18:06 |
| timeless | you won't hear that from me | 18:06 |
| timeless | but yeah, i'd probably risk it | 18:06 |
| timeless | fwiw, i risked the nokia ipv6 kernel | 18:06 |
| timeless | of course, that bricked my n900 | 18:06 |
| timeless | .. | 18:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | lol | 18:07 |
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| timeless | and reflashing the kernel left me w/ a broken about dialog | 18:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | MUHAHA | 18:07 |
| timeless | flashing can be dangerous :) | 18:07 |
| Termana | timeless, especially when your arrested | 18:07 |
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| Termana | you're* | 18:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | timeless: maybe http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=20465 helps your issue | 18:08 |
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| Jaffa | achipa: But if I switch to "Complete QA queue", it shows. | 18:09 |
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| timeless | i don't get an error if i run osso-product-info | 18:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer | heh, how about replacing the shaking-hands video by some nice porn, on next starhash-enabler update? Just for fun, and without prior notice :-P | 18:10 |
| timeless | um | 18:11 |
| timeless | my flash screen has been replaced for ages | 18:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | sorry, just getting silly | 18:11 |
| Jaffa | DocScrutinizer: And that's why we have 10 day quarantine :-p | 18:11 |
| timeless | have you seen my splash? | 18:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Jaffa: no worries, will trigger on 2010-09-24 | 18:12 |
| timeless | um | 18:13 |
| timeless | does everyone have /etc/osso_software_version? | 18:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | mompl | 18:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ls: /etc/osso_software_version: No such file or directory | 18:13 |
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| timeless | osso-product-info|grep VERS | 18:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Nokia-N900-42-11:~# osso-product-info|grep VERS | 18:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | OSSO_PRODUCT_RELEASE_VERSION='10.2010.19-1' | 18:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | OSSO_VERSION='RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.19-1_PR_MR0' | 18:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | timeless: (flashscreen) is it >DONT PANIC< ? | 18:17 |
| timeless | nope | 18:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | MEH | 18:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | err | 18:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | capslock | 18:17 |
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| trumee | OSSO_VERSION='RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.19-1.203.1_PR_203' | 18:18 |
| timeless | using non global software | 18:18 |
| timeless | yuck | 18:18 |
| trumee | it is uk firmware | 18:18 |
| trumee | there is not much difference between this and global iirc | 18:19 |
| trumee | something different about fm frequencies i think | 18:20 |
| timeless | the update cycle is worse in non global | 18:20 |
| timeless | because of nokia stupidity | 18:20 |
| timeless | the regions have the ability to delay updates | 18:20 |
| timeless | to ensure "quality" | 18:20 |
| Termana | How can you delay updates when you make a global release and the other country firmwares would work anyway? :P | 18:21 |
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| timeless | termana: 99% of people use OTA updates based on the notifier | 18:22 |
| timeless | no notice, no update | 18:22 |
| timeless | and the update is based on the meta package, which is distinct per regional release | 18:22 |
| timeless | anyone smart enough to replace the region w/ the global image doesn't suffer | 18:22 |
| timeless | but isn't typical | 18:22 |
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| trumee | firmware update is like once in four months. not something which happens everyday so can live with it | 18:24 |
| timeless | we're lucky if we do them at 4 month intervals | 18:24 |
| trumee | guess PR 1.3 going to take a long time then ;) | 18:26 |
| * DocScrutinizer is googling timeless' quote about PR1.3 supposed to be out the latest on 2017(?) | 18:28 | |
| DocScrutinizer | 2021? | 18:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | timeless: hope we don't have to call you out on that, -one day- :-D | 18:29 |
| * timeless too | 18:29 | |
| timeless | that'd suck | 18:29 |
| timeless | but i didn't say precisely that :) | 18:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | "and.. you know... 12 years is a long time. I really can't recall if maybe I was drunk or mentally disordered when and if I said such thing back in 2010" | 18:32 |
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| Termana | Lucky, we have logs | 18:32 |
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| SpeedEvil | Termana: Of the state of timelesses intoxication? | 18:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah | 18:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | logs don't even log state of authentication | 18:33 |
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| Termana-2 | oh really? they don't? shit! | 18:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer | QED (that's been me, the line above - for the logs) | 18:34 |
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| Termana | I just grouped that in to my account | 18:34 |
| Termana | :P | 18:34 |
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| Termana | I wonder if there is a freenode rule about how many nicks you can register/group :P | 18:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | #Termana: so now you lost the game :-D Ircd logs on freenode are 5 min late to pov.it. So now it's evident you grouped that nick, then posted the line I claimed would be mine :-P | 18:37 |
| Termana | DocScrutinizer, you can't fool me. Logs might be 5 minutes late, but they don't get arranged into a different order :P | 18:38 |
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| DocScrutinizer | log.freenode.nickserv [15:30] termana-2 grouped to account termana; | 18:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog : Termana-2 oh really? they don't? shit! 18:33 | 18:42 |
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| DocScrutinizer | guilty, shoot him | 18:43 |
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| Termana | DocScrutinizer, I call fake log. You aren't a freenode ircop - only an ircop would typically have access to logs of when I grouped my nicknames :P | 18:45 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Termana: try to prove that... 2012 at court :-P | 18:46 |
| Termana | DocScrutinizer, 23rd of December is the court date I assume? :P | 18:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | dunno, depends on timeless' case I guess | 18:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer | maybe 4th of July 2028 | 18:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer | if we are all still alive then :-D | 18:49 |
| V13 | the doomsday is near | 18:50 |
| V13 | ls -ltr will be useless | 18:50 |
| V13 | total chaos | 18:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer | uhh? | 18:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Termana: at least the logs will survive, that's for sure :-D | 18:51 |
| V13 | isn't that the end of 32bit unix timestamp ? | 18:51 |
| V13 | nonono.. they'll be overwritten :P | 18:52 |
| V13 | the time ring-buffer will roll over | 18:52 |
| Termana | 23rd of December, 2012 is the the big 2012 doomsday thing - which is why I said that date :P | 18:52 |
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| DocScrutinizer | in fact I've seen such amounts of partially valuable data going down the drain by time ringbuffer - it's amazing | 18:53 |
| V13 | indeed.. 7 feb 2016 | 18:53 |
| V13 | 2106 | 18:53 |
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| V13 | but 2038 is the end of the *signed* 32 bit unix timestamp :) | 18:54 |
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| * DocScrutinizer yawns and ponders another coffee | 18:54 | |
| V13 | what's at december 2012? | 18:54 |
| timeless | "too late" :) | 18:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | 2012-12 I'd say | 18:55 |
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| DocScrutinizer | far away as well | 18:55 |
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| * V13 waits for 2038 | 18:55 | |
| DocScrutinizer | and for sure another month I'd not miss when vanishing into oblivion, here in Germany | 18:56 |
| V13 | half of earth's population will fail to wake up because their alarms will have the wrong time.. | 18:56 |
| V13 | kitchen timers will fail, making the food burn | 18:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | yayaya exactly like y2k - what a lame joke | 18:57 |
| V13 | well.. in fact this is not a joke | 18:57 |
| V13 | i dare you to set the time of your computer to that date :) | 18:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | y2k wasn't as well | 18:57 |
| V13 | well.. it was... partially.. | 18:57 |
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| V13 | it can't be compared with the depletion of IPv4 addresses or the end of the unix timestamp | 18:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | well at least ipv4 isn't a thing that gets used up on a regular basis | 18:58 |
| V13 | eh? | 18:58 |
| lcuk | screw all this, theres a more important set of variables that are due to screw up life as we know it | 18:59 |
| lcuk | Doctor Who is near the end of all his regenerations!!!oneone11!!! | 18:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | like in "the day the last IPv4 got void" | 18:59 |
| V13 | doc: I've lost you | 18:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | V13: even if ICAN or whoever doesn't have any more *new* IPv4 to assign, the old ones still continue on to work happily | 19:00 |
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| trumee | is it possible to write a script which kills the browser when a sip call comes in | 19:01 |
| trumee | and even the media player | 19:01 |
| Termana | I fear the worst, I have lost him to - he isn't responding to pings! | 19:01 |
| V13 | well.. ICAN will be finished in a year, RIR's will finish in about two years (Except from RIPE which got the extra block already) | 19:01 |
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| trumee | i am always worried that my browser will eat up the cpu and i will miss the important call | 19:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | trumee: wtf would you want to do that? better hit the big red button and desintegrate the whole device | 19:02 |
| V13 | DocScrutinizer: but what you describe is a concern by itself. First of all, there will be not enough addresses for mobile phones... second, the exchanging of IPv4 address is a headache. The BGP table could grow very large. | 19:02 |
| trumee | DocScrutinizer, sip call needs 35% cpu. sometimes there isnt much remaining with browser and media player going | 19:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | V13: #1 is moot as GSM is usually over carrier NAT anyway | 19:03 |
| trumee | a quick killall browserd will be usefull | 19:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | #2 is a mere performance/resouces problem | 19:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | trumee: man nice | 19:04 |
| V13 | DocScrutinizer: It's not a small problem. The size of the BGP table is quite a big concern. | 19:04 |
| trumee | do browsers and media player have low priorties on by default? | 19:04 |
| trumee | what happens when a youtube video is on and a sip call comes in? | 19:05 |
| V13 | anyway, based on the consumption of IPv4 addresses, the need won't be satisfied for a long time after the depletion. | 19:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | V13: yep, one day each cisco switch will have to have a mysql database | 19:05 |
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| trumee | i will be much happier with a killall command to be triggered when a call comes in | 19:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | trumee: ever thought about just *testing* it? | 19:06 |
| lcuk | don't let empirical testing stop wild ideas :P | 19:07 |
| trumee | well said, i will test it | 19:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | sure :-P | 19:07 |
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| trumee | but is it possible trigger a shell script at all? | 19:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | iirc youtube vids stop playback as soon as some other screen is foreground | 19:07 |
| V13 | not in my system. | 19:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | trumee: it's unix, everything is *possible* | 19:08 |
| V13 | in fact i've let a video playing music a couple of times | 19:08 |
| V13 | oh... unless you're talking for n900 | 19:08 |
| trumee | yes, but where should i trigger the script from? | 19:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | trumee: question is: does it *blend*? Err... make sense | 19:09 |
| V13 | trumee: the easiest way is perhaps a python script that listens to dbus messages | 19:09 |
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| trumee | V13. ah so there is a dbus message on an incomng call | 19:09 |
| V13 | yes | 19:10 |
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| trumee | ok. this is a starting point then. | 19:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | no, this is beginning of madness | 19:10 |
| trumee | DocScrutinizer, :) | 19:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | you're re-implementing dispatcher priorities and scheduling, on a really messed up basis | 19:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | or - more colloquial - reinventing the wheel | 19:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | if your sip shit doesn't perform then rise prio (aka lower niceness). If this still doesn't help, run it RT-scheduled | 19:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | (which btw it probably already is, on maemo) | 19:13 |
| V13 | doc: that won't help in case of heavy I/O | 19:13 |
| trumee | DocScrutinizer, reality check atm is that sip calls dont work for me. so once sip is stable on N900 i will look into this | 19:13 |
| V13 | only memory page locking can save you from this | 19:13 |
| V13 | and heavy I/O some times means high memory usage, which is a usual sideffect of the browser | 19:14 |
| sECuRE | SIP works for me | 19:14 |
| trumee | DocScrutinizer, sip shit! doesnt perform for me at all atm | 19:14 |
| lcuk | DocScrutinizer, is Brazil worth watching | 19:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | V13: sure, but heavy IO frequently is caused by swapping. I don't think killing a process will cause *less* swapping, at least initially. Au contraire | 19:14 |
| * lcuk will go and get dvd from a friends if so | 19:14 | |
| trumee | sECuRE, Bug #10388 | 19:14 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10388 Choppy audio in SIP conversation, WLAN power save problem? | 19:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer | lcuk: is one of my favourites | 19:14 |
| V13 | doc: killing a process will immediately free the memory if it's KILL and not TERM. | 19:14 |
| V13 | without any extra disk IO | 19:15 |
| trumee | sECuRE, 5 minutes of call is what i get before it garbles up | 19:15 |
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| lcuk | DocScrutinizer, then I will | 19:16 |
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| DocScrutinizer | V13: sure, but you're not suggesting to SIGKILL several core processes of maemo, to make SIP perform - esp when the problem is wlan related as mentioned in above quoted ticket | 19:16 |
| V13 | well.. no I don't. | 19:17 |
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| V13 | I just said that higher priority will not help on a slow system because of disk IO. | 19:17 |
| * DocScrutinizer refuses discussing vapor concepts based on speculative scenarios - once more | 19:17 | |
| trumee | DocScrutinizer, it is not related to wlan as per I but the jury is out on that one | 19:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer | V13: I've stated several times swapperd is borked by concept, as it doesn't inherit priorisation of the swapped process | 19:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | but that'sclearly something you need to tackle in kernel (swapper daemon), not by messing around with randomly killing processes | 19:20 |
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| V13 | well.. just like in some illnesses, sometimes you need to do this. | 19:21 |
| V13 | you can't cure cancer so you kill cells. | 19:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | SIGSTOP will completely suffice to stop the process from trigering any further swapping, no need to SIGKILL | 19:22 |
| V13 | :P | 19:22 |
| V13 | well.. I was curious about that... | 19:22 |
| V13 | whether STOP/CONT will do the job | 19:22 |
| V13 | if it works then it would be perfect for what trumee wants | 19:23 |
| V13 | of course, if the sip application was swapped out, it will still have a delay. | 19:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | STOPed processes get no more timeslice, so aren't run anymore, so won't swap anymore | 19:23 |
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| * V13 just remebered that STOP can't be ignored | 19:23 | |
| V13 | so it should work as advertised | 19:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | sip probably isn't ever swapped out, should be memfixed | 19:24 |
| V13 | i doubt that they memlock the SIP part. | 19:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | if it's not, then you're free to patch that | 19:24 |
| V13 | well.. yes.. | 19:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | easy one | 19:25 |
| V13 | I'm also free to rewrite it, write one of my own, etc etc.. | 19:25 |
| V13 | hm.. regarding the "easy", I'm not so sure | 19:25 |
| V13 | Never done this.. | 19:25 |
| V13 | and SIP has a lot of dependencies. | 19:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | dsme-tool --help - I guess | 19:25 |
| V13 | I don't see a parameter for locking memory. | 19:26 |
| V13 | and that's expected.. It would be cruel to memlock the whole process. | 19:26 |
| V13 | hm.. rtcamm-call-ui has 32M VM | 19:27 |
| V13 | 0kb locked | 19:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | V13: actually nope, dsme isn't managing that | 19:27 |
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| V13 | csd, ohmd, libstartup... those have locked memory | 19:28 |
| V13 | bme_RX too | 19:29 |
| V13 | mission-control and telepathy-ring. | 19:29 |
| V13 | but I've disabled sip ... let me check | 19:30 |
| V13 | Nope, sofiasip doesn't have any locked memory | 19:30 |
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| V13 | in /usr/lib/telepathy/, only telepathy-ring and telepathy-stream-engine are suid. only those can lock memory | 19:31 |
| trumee | telepathy-stream-engine is what kicks in on a sip call | 19:32 |
| V13 | trumee when you have a call check /proc/<pid>/status | 19:32 |
| V13 | and see VmLck | 19:32 |
| V13 | if it is non-zero then it locks pages. | 19:33 |
| V13 | however, it may be using the suid bit just to get lower priority | 19:33 |
| trumee | VmLck is 0kb | 19:34 |
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| V13 | then try what DocScrutinizer said. | 19:35 |
| V13 | whenever you receive a call send a SIGSTOP to the browser | 19:35 |
| V13 | then , when the call is finished, send a SIGCONT | 19:35 |
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| trumee | ok, i will try that | 19:36 |
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| V13 | is builder ok ? | 19:46 |
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| V13 | I uploaded a package about an hour ago, it sent an OK mail but it is still not visible in the interface | 19:47 |
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| SpeedEvil | v13 - there have been mails that the builder is having issues | 19:59 |
| V13 | the last hour ? | 20:00 |
| SpeedEvil | http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-developers/2010-August/027314.html | 20:00 |
| V13 | ho.. | 20:00 |
| V13 | ffs | 20:00 |
| V13 | thnks for the tip | 20:01 |
| SpeedEvil | np | 20:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: o/ | 20:04 |
| SpeedEvil | ||| (pink, green, blue) (shipped) | 20:05 |
| SpeedEvil | (to me) | 20:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | \o/ | 20:05 |
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| lcuk | i guess today is credit card day, I have so many offers in mailbox that got through spam | 20:24 |
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| * ShadowJK remembers a time when it was impossible to get a cc even if you went to the bank and dropped 5kE on their counter as collateral | 20:28 | |
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| lcuk | ShadowJK, something has changed because suddenly I have about 15 places offering them that normally I wouldn't see | 20:31 |
| ShadowJK | Well your government /is/ spamming the banks telling them to lend moar :-) | 20:32 |
| lcuk | heh | 20:33 |
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| SpeedEvil | About fbreader. I hit a bug - DCC download speeds and ETAs completely broken. | 20:45 |
| SpeedEvil | I think this is due to the patches for low power - where would I sumbit bug? | 20:45 |
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| lcuk | hey guys | 21:00 |
| lcuk | anyone got an n810 to hand thats charged | 21:00 |
| lcuk | if so, can you tell me result of "uname -m" | 21:01 |
| lcuk | or 8x0 | 21:01 |
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| timeless | i have one in a box | 21:02 |
| timeless | never used | 21:02 |
| timeless | or an n800 that's charged | 21:02 |
| lcuk | I sitll have box for my n810 | 21:02 |
| lcuk | still | 21:02 |
| lcuk | but its been well used | 21:03 |
| * lcuk has a little sticker over the light sensor still :) | 21:03 | |
| ShadowJK | both mine have custom kernel | 21:03 |
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| lcuk | ShadowJK, the -m is chip model afaik | 21:03 |
| lcuk | so shouldn't change | 21:03 |
| Jaffa | lcuk: armv6l | 21:04 |
| lcuk | Jaffa, ++ great, thanks | 21:04 |
| ShadowJK | Linux Nokia-N810-23-14 2.6.21-omap1 #1 Sun Apr 5 11:12:41 BST 2009 armv6l unknown | 21:04 |
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| lcuk | <lcuk> uname -m sounds good, hold on I will get it from all 4 places | 21:05 |
| lcuk | <lcuk> n900 == armv7l | 21:05 |
| lcuk | <lcuk> scratchbox == arm | 21:05 |
| lcuk | <lcuk> scratchx86 == i486 | 21:05 |
| lcuk | <lcuk> ubuntu == i686 | 21:05 |
| lcuk | <luck> and Jaffa just gave n810 == armv6l | 21:05 |
| lcuk | ShadowJK, thats normal uname stuff, I was interested in the cpu model underneath | 21:05 |
| ShadowJK | amrv6l is there too | 21:06 |
| * lcuk nods | 21:06 | |
| lcuk | \o ta | 21:06 |
| * lcuk goes back to batcave | 21:06 | |
| ShadowJK | my PC would say amd64 | 21:06 |
| ShadowJK | i think | 21:06 |
| lcuk | yeah ShadowJK i really only needed to try and identify arm | 21:07 |
| lcuk | but wanted a sample of potential build environments to see if it was usable | 21:07 |
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| nicholas-x | hello :) | 21:16 |
| Ken-Young | Hi | 21:16 |
| nicholas-x | can someone please help me with my n900? | 21:17 |
| nicholas-x | i came from the link on wiki | 21:17 |
| Ken-Young | What problem are you having? | 21:17 |
| frals | hmm | 21:18 |
| frals | nice weather in hel atm | 21:18 |
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| frals | either someone is going crazy with a camera or there is a decent frequency of lightnings | 21:18 |
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| nicholas-x | i always get this message at startup : | 21:18 |
| nicholas-x | ALL TELEPHONY FUNCTIONS, INCLUDING EMERGENCY CALLS, ARE DISABLED DUE TO A COMMUNICATION ERROR | 21:19 |
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| nicholas-x | To recover, you might have to reboot the device/ | 21:20 |
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| Ken-Young | nicholas-x, Are you sure your SIM is good - has it worked in your N900 in the past? | 21:20 |
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| nicholas-x | thank you , but yes, | 21:20 |
| nicholas-x | it is ok] | 21:20 |
| nicholas-x | i get the same on other sim cards | 21:21 |
| nicholas-x | and even without them :( | 21:21 |
| Ken-Young | Has it worked properly for you in the past? | 21:21 |
| nicholas-x | yes | 21:21 |
| nicholas-x | no problems | 21:22 |
| alterego | Oh wow, MIT opened up a load of course material | 21:22 |
| alterego | Lots of cool stuff there .. | 21:22 |
| Ken-Young | Does it behave in exactly the same way whether or not a SIM in installed? | 21:22 |
| nicholas-x | now.... yes :( | 21:23 |
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| nicholas-x | is this important that the last time n900 shut down because my baqttery died? | 21:23 |
| Ken-Young | I don't know. | 21:24 |
| lcuk | nicholas-x, did you try removing the sim and reseating it | 21:24 |
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| nicholas-x | thank you for trying to help/ :) can you please tell me where can I ask for help? | 21:24 |
| nicholas-x | yes | 21:25 |
| V13 | i might sound silly, but: Are you sure that the sim card is properly placed ? | 21:25 |
| nicholas-x | 100% | 21:25 |
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| nicholas-x | :) | 21:25 |
| V13 | do you have another sim ? | 21:25 |
| V13 | or another phone | 21:25 |
| Ken-Young | Have you inspected the contacts that the SIM card connects to on the phone, to see if there might be dirt or corrosion? | 21:25 |
| lcuk | nicholas-x, please remove and reseat the sim | 21:25 |
| nicholas-x | yes, i tried the all - the same problem | 21:25 |
| alterego | Kind of want to learn chinese | 21:25 |
| V13 | does it ask for pin when it startsup ? | 21:25 |
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| nicholas-x | I have my pin turned off | 21:26 |
| nicholas-x | oh! | 21:26 |
| nicholas-x | i remembered 1 detail | 21:26 |
| nicholas-x | settings app crashes when it comes to sim - card | 21:26 |
| nicholas-x | :( | 21:26 |
| V13 | did you put the sim on another phone ? | 21:26 |
| nicholas-x | yes | 21:26 |
| V13 | did it work ? | 21:27 |
| nicholas-x | it works just fine | 21:27 |
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| nicholas-x | ^) | 21:27 |
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| V13 | did you try another sim on n900 ? | 21:27 |
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| nicholas-x | yes... unfortunately, the problem persists :( | 21:28 |
| lcuk | nicholas-x, just to appease us, could you shutdown phone, remove battery and sim, resaet it, and then bootup. after bootup, could you run dmesg and paste the console log somewhere if its still being a problem | 21:28 |
| V13 | after trying what Ken-Young said, I suggest a reflash just to be sure that nothing in software was damaged. | 21:28 |
| nicholas-x | 1 moment please. thank you guys for trying to help :) | 21:29 |
| V13 | lcuk's comment is also a good one :) | 21:29 |
| V13 | dmesg could give nice results | 21:29 |
| V13 | or trying installing syslogd | 21:29 |
| nicholas-x | btw, can you please send me a link with flashing instructions for n00bs ? | 21:29 |
| lcuk | v13, its good practice to try and diagnose using tools available without faff | 21:29 |
| nicholas-x | i user ubuntu | 21:30 |
| nicholas-x | use | 21:30 |
| lcuk | nicholas-x, continue reading the wiki you are currently on | 21:30 |
| Jaffa | ~flashing | 21:30 |
| infobot | somebody said flashing was http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 21:30 |
| lcuk | all hte info is on there | 21:30 |
| nicholas-x | ok . rebooting.... | 21:30 |
| lcuk | not reboot, shutdown, remove etc | 21:30 |
| nicholas-x | yes yes | 21:30 |
| lcuk | thats important :) | 21:30 |
| nicholas-x | thanks :) | 21:31 |
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| nicholas-x | btw, now my nokia now increased the bootup time twice | 21:33 |
| nicholas-x | oh-oh ! | 21:34 |
| nicholas-x | what exactly should i copypaste from dmesg | 21:34 |
| V13 | everything | 21:34 |
| V13 | if possible | 21:34 |
| nicholas-x | ok | 21:35 |
| lcuk | i normally do dmesg >file | 21:35 |
| lcuk | than use a modern age editor to review | 21:35 |
| nicholas-x | please explain to the noob :)] | 21:35 |
| * V13 hands a candy to lcuk for his helpfulness | 21:35 | |
| lcuk | dmesg >/home/user/MyDocs/demesg.logfile | 21:35 |
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| nicholas-x | i am so sorry for being a n00b | 21:39 |
| nicholas-x | lcuk | 21:39 |
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| Ken-Young | Everyone was once a n00b | 21:40 |
| V13 | or is :) | 21:40 |
| nicholas-x | plese , where is the >/home/user/MyDocs/demesg.logfile | 21:40 |
| V13 | aren't we all ? | 21:40 |
| nicholas-x | i connected nokia | 21:40 |
| V13 | nicholas-x: If you typed this command in a terminal then you'll have the file "demesg.logfile" under MyDocs. | 21:40 |
| lcuk | MyDocs is the normal location that is shared when you plug in the USB | 21:40 |
| nicholas-x | via usb in mass storage mode | 21:40 |
| V13 | That's the file you want to share (i.e. copy-paste its contents) | 21:40 |
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| nicholas-x | oh | 21:43 |
| _llll_ | you can probably upload it onto a pastebin site | 21:43 |
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| nicholas-x | there is no mydocs folder though i ran dmesg >file | 21:43 |
| nicholas-x | command | 21:43 |
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| nIzQ | wow. crowded | 21:44 |
| nicholas-x | please, guys , how can i copy from x terminal ? | 21:44 |
| _llll_ | go to apstebin.ca and click upload file | 21:45 |
| V13 | don't try this | 21:45 |
| V13 | ( i mean the copy ) | 21:45 |
| nicholas-x | i cannot find any dmesg file on my nokia :( | 21:45 |
| nicholas-x | i ran dmesg >file | 21:45 |
| V13 | do you see other files from the MyDocs folder ? | 21:46 |
| _llll_ | type "more file" | 21:46 |
| nicholas-x | no. only .documents folder:( | 21:46 |
| nicholas-x | ok | 21:46 |
| _llll_ | proably need to do "mv file .documents/" before you can upload it | 21:47 |
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| timeless | MyDocs is sufficient | 21:47 |
| timeless | but if you had a usb cable attached, myDocs wouldn't be mounted... | 21:48 |
| _llll_ | this .documents stuff confused me endlessly | 21:48 |
| nicholas-x | i ran more file | 21:48 |
| V13 | me too | 21:48 |
| V13 | do you have an sd card instaled ? | 21:48 |
| nicholas-x | no | 21:48 |
| timeless | MyDocs is the user visible root | 21:48 |
| timeless | .documents is your 'Documents' folder inside root | 21:49 |
| timeless | unless of course your locale isn't English | 21:49 |
| V13 | timeless: yes, but it's not possible to only see .documents | 21:49 |
| timeless | in which case it's something else | 21:49 |
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| timeless | ?? | 21:49 |
| _llll_ | except it isnt root in the sense im used to | 21:49 |
| timeless | oh forget it | 21:49 |
| * timeless goes off to watch Sahara | 21:49 | |
| nicholas-x | oh, should i do smth. more than check view hidden files in nautilus? | 21:50 |
| _llll_ | nautilus?? | 21:50 |
| V13 | anyway, run this: dmesg > /home/user/MyDocs/dmesg.txt then open a browser from n900 and go to pastebin.ca, then upload the file dmesg.txt | 21:50 |
| timeless | um | 21:50 |
| _llll_ | you did run this command on your n900, right? | 21:50 |
| timeless | try *not* having your n900 connected via a usb cable | 21:50 |
| V13 | rofl | 21:50 |
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| timeless | things will work a lot better | 21:50 |
| timeless | and in the future, pay attention :) | 21:50 |
| _llll_ | or is nautilus what ubuntu users call every single graphical program? | 21:51 |
| timeless | heh | 21:51 |
| timeless | nautilus is explorer | 21:51 |
| timeless | roughly | 21:51 |
| timeless | but please take your n900 20' away from your computer | 21:51 |
| timeless | ensure it has *ZERO* cables attached | 21:51 |
| timeless | and follow directions | 21:51 |
| nicholas-x | ok | 21:52 |
| timeless | the directions are incredibly simple | 21:52 |
| nicholas-x | :) | 21:52 |
| timeless | as long as you follow them | 21:52 |
| timeless | otherwise, you just piss people off | 21:52 |
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| nicholas-x | i ran dmesg > /home/user/MyDocs/dmesg.txt | 21:53 |
| nicholas-x | cannot create | 21:53 |
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| nicholas-x | noexistent | 21:53 |
| nicholas-x | directory | 21:53 |
| * timeless grumbles | 21:54 | |
| V13 | in n900 | 21:54 |
| V13 | ? | 21:54 |
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| timeless | you don't have any usb cables attached, right? | 21:54 |
| nicholas-x | yes | 21:54 |
| nicholas-x | yes | 21:54 |
| timeless | and you're using the X Terminal on the n900? | 21:54 |
| nicholas-x | yes | 21:54 |
| nicholas-x | :( | 21:54 |
| V13 | ok.. do this: | 21:54 |
| V13 | cd ; cd MyDocs | 21:54 |
| V13 | in a terminal in your n900 | 21:54 |
| timeless | v13: i think using 'mount' might make more sense | 21:55 |
| timeless | odds are it isn't mounted, possibly because it's corrupt or something | 21:55 |
| V13 | timeless: He'd have to copy-paste :P | 21:55 |
| timeless | ah | 21:55 |
| ShadowJK | also mydocs isn't same as MyDocs | 21:55 |
| timeless | nah | 21:55 |
| V13 | timeless: that's what I thought :) | 21:55 |
| timeless | mount|grep fat | 21:55 |
| timeless | no c+p required | 21:55 |
| ShadowJK | typing | though... | 21:55 |
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| V13 | lol | 21:55 |
| nicholas-x | wait.. i've done cd ; cd MyDocs | 21:56 |
| timeless | shadowjk: actually, it should be | 21:56 |
| V13 | did it produce any errors? | 21:56 |
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| nicholas-x | no | 21:56 |
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| V13 | ok.. | 21:56 |
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| nicholas-x | :) | 21:56 |
| V13 | type: dmesg > dmesg.txt | 21:56 |
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| timeless | oh, hrm, no, MyDocs and below is vfat | 21:56 |
| timeless | hence case insensitive | 21:56 |
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| V13 | timeless: MyDocs is the mount point.. should be case sensitive | 21:56 |
| timeless | yea | 21:56 |
| timeless | that was stupid :) | 21:56 |
| ShadowJK | timeless, 'MyDocs' directory entry is on ext3 though :) | 21:56 |
| nicholas-x | done | 21:56 |
| * timeless blames someone from 6 years ago | 21:57 | |
| V13 | nicholas-x: ok, now open the browser, go to pastebin.ca and upload the dmesg.txt | 21:57 |
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| ShadowJK | what is this about anyway, why do you want his dmesg? | 21:58 |
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| nicholas-x | now i see dmesg ! :) | 21:58 |
| nicholas-x | thank you! | 21:58 |
| V13 | ShadowJK: he has problems with the sim card that are not related to the sim card itself | 21:58 |
| V13 | ShadowJK: see the history | 21:58 |
| V13 | yw | 21:58 |
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| nicholas-x | http://pastebin.ca/1913398 | 21:59 |
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| ShadowJK | nothing useful there :/ | 22:02 |
| lcuk | agreed nicholas-x ShadowJK, bah | 22:03 |
| nicholas-x | ... :( | 22:03 |
| V13 | [ 5.992950] mmci-omap-hs mmci-omap-hs.0: Failed to get debounce clock <-- is this ok ? | 22:04 |
| lcuk | it did give the message this bootup didn't it? | 22:04 |
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| ShadowJK | how long did you remove battery for? | 22:04 |
| nicholas-x | not this messege | 22:04 |
| nicholas-x | for 1 minute and | 22:04 |
| nicholas-x | also tried for 3 hours | 22:04 |
| lcuk | it did not give the "ALL TELEPHONY FUNCTIONS, INCLUDING EMERGENCY CALLS, ARE DISABLED DUE TO A COMMUNICATION ERROR" message this time? | 22:04 |
| nicholas-x | the same | 22:04 |
| nicholas-x | it DID | 22:05 |
| nicholas-x | :( | 22:05 |
| jacekowski | Stskeeps: what do you mean by "at that point" | 22:05 |
| Stskeeps | jacekowski: no idea, but either way, u-boot is interesting to have. | 22:05 |
| nicholas-x | should i flash my nokia? | 22:06 |
| Stskeeps | http://groups.google.com/group/tmoipv6beta <- cool initiative | 22:06 |
| jacekowski | well, nand stuff has to be ported | 22:06 |
| frals | i think he should probably install syslog and see if anything interesting gets logged | 22:06 |
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| nicholas-x | or bring to the service center | 22:06 |
| nicholas-x | ?? | 22:06 |
| lcuk | nicholas-x, have you changed the area you live in? | 22:06 |
| Stskeeps | nicholas-x: i'd generally bring it to service center when seeing a probem like this | 22:06 |
| * ShadowJK too | 22:07 | |
| lcuk | sounds reasonable Stskeeps | 22:07 |
| frals | hmm | 22:07 |
| jacekowski | hmm | 22:07 |
| nicholas-x | i did not change :( | 22:07 |
| jacekowski | crap | 22:07 |
| frals | whats the message you get when you downgrade pr1.2 -> pr1.1 or similar? | 22:07 |
| frals | ie incompatible cellmo? | 22:07 |
| jacekowski | where is that article about n900 keyboard i saw on wiki | 22:07 |
| nicholas-x | i cannot connect to ovi suite | 22:08 |
| nicholas-x | it does not recognise my n900 | 22:08 |
| jacekowski | is it in pc suite mode? | 22:09 |
| nicholas-x | that's why i can't downgrade :( | 22:09 |
| nicholas-x | yes | 22:09 |
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| V13 | nicholas-x I can only suggest a reflash, but before this perhaps you could open a thread in t.m.o or send a mail in maemo-developers. Perhaps you'll get more help from there. If you do so, state that you're new to *nix. | 22:10 |
| jacekowski | nicholas-x: what happened? | 22:10 |
| jacekowski | nicholas-x: it's just not detected by ovi suite or it's not connecting via usb at all? | 22:10 |
| jacekowski | hmmm | 22:11 |
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| nicholas-x | after this problem appeared "ALL TELEPHONY FUNCTIONS, INCLUDING EMERGENCY CALLS, ARE DISABLED DUE TO A COMMUNICATION ERROR | 22:11 |
| nicholas-x | ovi suite stopped recognising n900 | 22:11 |
| jacekowski | hmm | 22:11 |
| timeless | what did you do to do that? | 22:11 |
| jacekowski | do you have linux on your pc? | 22:11 |
| nicholas-x | thank you very much V13 | 22:12 |
| nicholas-x | yes | 22:12 |
| nicholas-x | ubuntu | 22:12 |
| nicholas-x | and windows 7 | 22:12 |
| jacekowski | are you running it now? | 22:12 |
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| nicholas-x | running ubuntu | 22:12 |
| jacekowski | ok | 22:12 |
| jacekowski | do you have flasher at hand? | 22:12 |
| jacekowski | and have you backed up your data | 22:12 |
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| nicholas-x | i am sorry i haven't read about flashing yet | 22:13 |
| jacekowski | i would try to flash it | 22:13 |
| nicholas-x | what is flasher? | 22:13 |
| jacekowski | program that does all the flashing | 22:13 |
| jacekowski | hmm | 22:13 |
| nicholas-x | can you send me a link& | 22:13 |
| jacekowski | can you check if gps is working | 22:13 |
| jacekowski | ~flashing | 22:13 |
| infobot | rumour has it, flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 22:13 |
| jacekowski | check if gps is working | 22:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer | pnatd? | 22:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | AT -> OK | 22:14 |
| timeless | bug 9391.. | 22:14 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9391 Cellular access unavaible with "no access" error but works after reboot | 22:14 |
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| frals | heh, people in helsinki area recommended to stay inside during the storm \o/ | 22:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | umm, trivial cellmo segfault or other lockup? | 22:15 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: well, cellmo has loads of failsafes | 22:15 |
| timeless | frals: oh really? | 22:15 |
| timeless | you mean trying to get killed by going outside isn't a good idea? | 22:15 |
| * timeless can't imagine why | 22:15 | |
| nicholas-x | i think it is ok but as far as i now don't have 3g i cannot establi9sh connection | 22:15 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: cellmo should restart faulted app and or do full reboot | 22:15 |
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| * DocScrutinizer shrugs | 22:15 | |
| jacekowski | nicholas-x: check if it can get lock | 22:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | *should* is the word | 22:16 |
| jacekowski | nicholas-x: it may take a while without internet | 22:16 |
| timeless | there's a way for the modem to get truly wedged | 22:16 |
| timeless | well a couple of ways | 22:16 |
| nicholas-x | sorry how can i check? | 22:16 |
| jacekowski | start nokia maps or something | 22:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah, outside | 22:16 |
| timeless | jacekowski: isn't Maep a better test? | 22:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-P | 22:16 |
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| jacekowski | and see if after couple minutes in open air you will get that red dot come up in top right corner | 22:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | gpsjinni | 22:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer | still sugesting pnatd | 22:17 |
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| nicholas-x | when i start nokia mmaps my gps sign is croosed | 22:17 |
| jacekowski | yeah, pnatd is a good idea as well | 22:17 |
| jacekowski | ati1 | 22:17 |
| nicholas-x | crossed | 22:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | at | 22:17 |
| jacekowski | ati1 | 22:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer | AT<enter> -> OK | 22:18 |
| jacekowski | ATI1<enter> | 22:18 |
| nicholas-x | <jacekowski> ATI1<enter> is this for me? | 22:18 |
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| jacekowski | yes | 22:19 |
| jacekowski | well, start pnatd | 22:19 |
| nicholas-x | <jacekowski> , please what is pnatd | 22:19 |
| nicholas-x | ?? | 22:19 |
| jacekowski | well, have you tried rebooting first | 22:19 |
| jacekowski | a program | 22:19 |
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| nicholas-x | rebooting... how to tart pnatd? | 22:20 |
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| nicholas-x | \start? | 22:20 |
| * DocScrutinizer suspects cellmo update might have gone wrong, or for any other reason modem FW may have suffered unrecoverable error. Reflashing the *cellmo* thing might help | 22:20 | |
| DocScrutinizer | nicholas-x: open xterm | 22:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | type 'root' | 22:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | type 'pnatd' | 22:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | type 'ATI1' | 22:21 |
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| nicholas-x | ok thank you i'll try this , one moment | 22:22 |
| nicholas-x | :( | 22:22 |
| nicholas-x | root not found | 22:22 |
| nicholas-x | i get an error : root : not found | 22:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | no problem | 22:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | should work without root | 22:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | pnatd will give you no reply | 22:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | just type ati1 | 22:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer | or ati | 22:24 |
| nicholas-x | wait... | 22:24 |
| nicholas-x | pipe endpoint allocation : operation not permitted | 22:25 |
| nicholas-x | :( | 22:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~ $ pnatd | 22:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | at | 22:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | OK | 22:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | ati1 | 22:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | 356938030954300 | 22:25 |
| jacekowski | sudo gainroot | 22:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~ $ id | 22:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | uid=29999(user) gid=29999(users) | 22:25 |
| jacekowski | ls -la /usr/bin/pnatd | 22:25 |
| jacekowski | usr bin? | 22:25 |
| jacekowski | does it have suid or something | 22:26 |
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| jacekowski | my phone is dead at the moment | 22:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | it has afaik | 22:26 |
| jacekowski | emergency charging | 22:26 |
| nicholas-x | ~ $ id uid=29999(user) gid=29999(users) | 22:26 |
| nicholas-x | i have this | 22:26 |
| jacekowski | after couple hours spent in my pocket with flat battery | 22:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | Nokia-N900-42-11:~# ls -l `which pnatd` | 22:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | -rwsr-sr-x 1 root root 12676 Aug 27 2009 /usr/bin/pnatd | 22:26 |
| jacekowski | hmm, so cellmo is dead | 22:27 |
| nicholas-x | ... whar next? please | 22:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | reflash cellmo | 22:27 |
| jacekowski | download flasher | 22:27 |
| nicholas-x | what? | 22:27 |
| jacekowski | and fiasco image | 22:27 |
| nicholas-x | please | 22:27 |
| jacekowski | ~flasher | 22:27 |
| infobot | i heard flasher is http://wiki.maemo.org/Flasher | 22:27 |
| jacekowski | ~flashing | 22:27 |
| infobot | somebody said flashing was http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 22:27 |
| jacekowski | download flasher and fiasco image | 22:27 |
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| nicholas-x | and then flash ? | 22:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | somebody with better knowledge has to walk you thru exact steps to make sure cellmo firmware actually gets flashed | 22:29 |
| nicholas-x | can you please explain what cellmo is? | 22:29 |
| jacekowski | cellular modem | 22:29 |
| jacekowski | rapuyama | 22:29 |
| nicholas-x | aha.. | 22:29 |
| jacekowski | CMT | 22:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | the GSM part | 22:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | or "the phone" | 22:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | subsystem of your handheld linux computer | 22:30 |
| nicholas-x | i live in Ukraine and do not think anyone here can have experience with flashing n900 :( | 22:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'd recommend first do a normal rottfs flash, to rule out problems with linux system (if you didn't yet) | 22:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | rootfs even | 22:31 |
| nicholas-x | ok.. thank you.. what command should i run? | 22:31 |
| nicholas-x | please? | 22:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | see ~flashing | 22:31 |
| jacekowski | download flasher | 22:31 |
| jacekowski | and fiasco image | 22:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | COMBINED image | 22:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware#Linux | 22:32 |
| ColdFyre | anyone used those chinese version of the nokia batteries for the n900?(the 1700-1900mAh) | 22:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer | yeah, but nobody survived to report about the great experience X-P | 22:33 |
| jacekowski | ColdFyre: well, these are not really 1700mAh for starters | 22:33 |
| nicholas-x | ok... downloadind and installing flasher | 22:33 |
| jacekowski | ColdFyre: and may explode | 22:33 |
| ColdFyre | *may* | 22:33 |
| ShadowJK | ColdFyre, someone opened one up and found a 1000mAh battery cell inside | 22:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | even a can of Ravioli *may* explode | 22:34 |
| ColdFyre | i'll buy one of them from the US then so i can drive there and mug them | 22:34 |
| ColdFyre | if it explodes | 22:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | good plan | 22:34 |
| nicholas-x | can you please tell me where to download those images? | 22:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: how to guarantee cellmo is going to get reflashed? | 22:35 |
| ColdFyre | the ineternet | 22:35 |
| nicholas-x | <ColdFyre> the ineternet :)))) | 22:36 |
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| jacekowski | nicholas-x: read the wiki | 22:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | nicholas-x: you realized on that wiki page all the orange words are actually links to click on? | 22:37 |
| jacekowski | nicholas-x: everything is there | 22:37 |
| nicholas-x | ok :) | 22:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | nicholas-x: also carefully read the WHOLE description of procedure, esp don't miss n 3) | 22:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | err 3. | 22:38 |
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| jacekowski | what's in 3? | 22:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | err 3.Ensure the battery is fully charged. | 22:39 |
| jacekowski | fuck yeah | 22:39 |
| jacekowski | reboot loop | 22:39 |
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| nicholas-x | btw, do i loose warranty if i flash n900? | 22:45 |
| luke-jr | nicholas-x: only if you break it while trying to flash it | 22:46 |
| luke-jr | due to your own fault | 22:46 |
| luke-jr | at least that's a limit set by the USA government(s) | 22:46 |
| luke-jr | no idea on internationally.. | 22:46 |
| nicholas-x | ok . thank you] | 22:46 |
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| crashanddie | nicholas-x: the answer is: No | 22:48 |
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| crashanddie | nicholas-x: Nokia is providing software updates, and flashing is one of the means of update, so there is no warranty void clause (unless you kill your device by being stupid, as luke-jr said) | 22:49 |
| nicholas-x | thank you crashanddie | 22:49 |
| luke-jr | crashanddie: over here, it's illegal to void warranty unless someone actually does damage to the device ;) | 22:50 |
| luke-jr | that is, maintenance by third parties is protected | 22:50 |
| nicholas-x | so as far as i understood i first flash Latest Maemo 5 Global release for Nokia N900 | 22:51 |
| nicholas-x | and then | 22:51 |
| nicholas-x | Latest Vanilla version of the eMMC content for Nokia N900 | 22:51 |
| nicholas-x | correct? | 22:51 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | no vanilla | 22:51 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | just combined | 22:52 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | aka maemo5 global release | 22:52 |
| nicholas-x | ok :) thanks | 22:52 |
| nicholas-x | will it flash cellmo? | 22:53 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I don't think so, but as mentioned above, you need advice of somebody more savvy with respect to that topic | 22:55 |
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| DocScrutinizer | tbh I have no clear idea how flasher, NOLO bootloader and modem play that game of updating the cellmo firmware | 22:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski should know a little bit more | 22:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | also Stskeeps I guess | 22:57 |
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| timeless | w00t: thanks | 22:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | timeless: do you know how to force a cellmo reflash? | 22:58 |
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| timeless | docscrutinizer: more or less | 22:59 |
| timeless | but i don't have signatures so i can't cheat | 22:59 |
| w00t_ | :-) | 22:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | timeless: we don't want to cheat, just resurrect a dead modem | 22:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | (just in case reflashing of rootfs doesn't fix it) | 23:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer | timeless: so is cellmo version checked and fw updated just in case, when flashing rootfs the usual way? | 23:02 |
| timeless | i believe so | 23:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | fine :-) | 23:02 |
| timeless | you can of course force things by dissecting the fiasco and only trying to flash the cellmo | 23:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | yup, that's how much I thought | 23:03 |
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| ShadowJK | i think there's also a way to trick the ssu cellmo flasher into flashing | 23:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer | but anyway if it's done unconditionally on flashing rootfs, then we are probably fine with that | 23:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: sweet, how? | 23:04 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: nolo is flashing cellmo | 23:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: that's why I said we need to ask you :-D | 23:04 |
| jacekowski | it would be nice if he would have serial connection to phone as well | 23:04 |
| jacekowski | to monitor progress | 23:05 |
| jacekowski | but well | 23:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | hehe, yes | 23:05 |
| timeless | someone's greedy | 23:05 |
| jacekowski | full flash should do the job | 23:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | k | 23:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | nicholas-x: how's flashing going? | 23:05 |
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| ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer, dunno, I saw it in one of the threads on downgrading to 1.1.1 after people flashed the leaked 1.2-pre | 23:05 |
| jacekowski | you can try coldflash | 23:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | yesyes, thought about that as well | 23:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | alas I never followed that whole topic closely, as pre1.2 never was a point on my list | 23:06 |
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| nicholas-x | <DocScrutinizer> cherging my n900 ;) | 23:07 |
| nicholas-x | charging | 23:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | ooh, yes - good plan | 23:07 |
| nicholas-x | :) | 23:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | switch off the screen (lock it) so it charges a bit faster | 23:08 |
| nicholas-x | it's turned off | 23:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | when green idicator LED you're ready to start the flashing adventure | 23:08 |
| nicholas-x | btw can you plese tell me | 23:08 |
| nicholas-x | ok :) | 23:09 |
| nicholas-x | i bought apacer 8 gb microsd for my n900 | 23:09 |
| nicholas-x | but | 23:09 |
| jacekowski | ok after looking at that part of nolo | 23:10 |
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| nicholas-x | when i copy files there I get mistakes in 85% | 23:10 |
| jacekowski | fiasco flash will only flash cmt if nolo thinks that it should be flashed | 23:10 |
| nicholas-x | 'memory is read-only until fixed | 23:10 |
| jacekowski | like older version or something | 23:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm, then it's a bad card. Return it for a replacement | 23:10 |
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| jacekowski | so if cellmo is dead then it should flash it | 23:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: that's what I expected, yes | 23:11 |
| jacekowski | but doing flash with just mcusw firmware | 23:11 |
| jacekowski | will flash it as well | 23:11 |
| nicholas-x | ok .. thanks | 23:11 |
| nicholas-x | but | 23:11 |
| jacekowski | so try fiasco flash | 23:11 |
| jacekowski | if it fails | 23:11 |
| jacekowski | then well, get it to nokia care | 23:12 |
| nicholas-x | i tried other microsd cards and the problem persisited | 23:12 |
| nicholas-x | :( | 23:12 |
| jacekowski | have you tried overclocking it? | 23:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, let's see what a normal reflash of / incl the phonet libs (or whatever they're called) will result in | 23:12 |
| nicholas-x | overlocking my n900? i bought it 2 weeks ago | 23:13 |
| jacekowski | from? | 23:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | nicholas-x: maybe it's a series of poorly built cards. There's quite frequently such things | 23:13 |
| nicholas-x | official nokia-approved internet-shop | 23:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | try another brand and other size of card | 23:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer | just for test | 23:14 |
| nicholas-x | ok . thanks, bro ))) | 23:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | also try the problem card in another reader/system | 23:14 |
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| nicholas-x | oh, i love linux and my n900 ... but so much problems, questions... | 23:15 |
| nicholas-x | xP | 23:15 |
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| jacekowski | that just the beggining of your problems | 23:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I got a 16G card that failed on my Freerunner phone after some 50..100k written, and on my PC after 600k..5M written (or somesuch) | 23:16 |
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| jacekowski | well, freerunner was a design failure | 23:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | nicholas-x: (problems, Qs) that's why you are in here - partially - so you can learn | 23:16 |
| jacekowski | it reminds me shower radio i saw some time ago | 23:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: you are a ... err you got a point there | 23:17 |
| jacekowski | so you can hang it on something in shower | 23:17 |
| nicholas-x | yes. but i was glad i managed to install LXdE | 23:17 |
| jacekowski | and freerunner look almost the same | 23:17 |
| nicholas-x | very impressive device.. hardware :) | 23:17 |
| jacekowski | colours are different but thats all | 23:17 |
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| jacekowski | i'm just not sure | 23:18 |
| nicholas-x | :) truly open-source (or free) phone | 23:18 |
| jacekowski | that thing on the bottom/top is that a hole? | 23:18 |
| jacekowski | bottom* | 23:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | shower radio and ice hockey puck were the names I gave to all those :-D | 23:18 |
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| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: that hole at bottom of it, is that a real hole? | 23:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes | 23:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | more precisely that's where the GSM antenna is located | 23:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | very cute RF design | 23:19 |
| jacekowski | up untill now i was just thinking that it's speaker or something and it just looks like a hole on photos | 23:20 |
| nicholas-x | freerunner has USB ! XD | 23:20 |
| nicholas-x | oh | 23:20 |
| nicholas-x | impressive... | 23:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes, full USB hostmode | 23:20 |
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| nicholas-x | what is the price ?? | 23:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer | now? | 23:21 |
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| nicholas-x | yes | 23:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | some 200+ bucks I think | 23:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | dunno, never bought any :-D | 23:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | but maybe will sell a few eventually | 23:22 |
| nicholas-x | ??? silly q, but where do you get 'em? | 23:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ~ DocScrutinizer | 23:23 |
| infobot | from memory, docscrutinizer is jOERG, a HW-developer and engineer of Openmoko | 23:23 |
| nicholas-x | :) ... it's an honor to speak with such a clever guy :) | 23:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | nah | 23:24 |
| jacekowski | so, you are the person that designed the hole? | 23:25 |
| nicholas-x | ;))))))))))))) | 23:25 |
| nicholas-x | +1 | 23:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | nope, that has been done loong before I joined, and EE isn't involved at all in ME | 23:25 |
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| nicholas-x | i am glad i moved to linux.. only half a year passed but i now cannot live without ubuntu and can't stand windows :) | 23:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | probably this specific design has been done by same guy who designed the first iMacs (the desk lamp shaped ones) | 23:28 |
| jacekowski | have openmoko seen any real designer? | 23:29 |
| mc_teo` | how can i update individual packages? | 23:29 |
| jacekowski | i mean exterior design designer | 23:29 |
| mc_teo` | like i downloads msn-pecan intregration using app manager, but i need to update it now | 23:30 |
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| mc_teo` | im not 100% sure its been updated though, so how to check version would be first i guess | 23:30 |
| nicholas-x | i am still a noob but as far as i know you get a messege in the status bar as soon as there is an update | 23:31 |
| default_ | I'd like to remove the MyDocs partition and resize the home partition to fill the void. Or at least resize both. Anyone know a forum post, blog entry or something somewhere that discusses the best way to do this? | 23:31 |
| MohammadAG | removing MyDocs would prolly cause a lot of problems | 23:32 |
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| MohammadAG | someone mentioned sed'ing the eMMC image to partition it easily | 23:32 |
| default_ | why? the folder would still be there.. just on the same partition as the rest of home | 23:33 |
| lcuk | default_, theres some posts on site:talk.maemo.org which people have adjusted and messed with things | 23:33 |
| nicholas-x | Default_ , just interesting, why do you want to delete MyDocs | 23:33 |
| nicholas-x | ?? | 23:33 |
| default_ | Sick of the 2gig limit | 23:33 |
| MohammadAG | you'll need to change rc.S-late so it doesn't try to mount /dev/mmcblk0p1 on MyDocs | 23:33 |
| lcuk | i have links somewhere, but its sunday night and I have had a beer | 23:33 |
| default_ | That bug 1305 is annoying me | 23:33 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1305 Planet doesn't list the feeds it aggregates anymore | 23:33 |
| lcuk | default_, sick why? have you filled space? | 23:33 |
| default_ | And there is no good reason for me to have it there other than it is already there | 23:34 |
| MohammadAG | lcuk, I hit the cap once | 23:34 |
| MohammadAG | or twice | 23:34 |
| lcuk | i wasnt asking you | 23:34 |
| * MohammadAG cries in the corner | 23:34 | |
| lcuk | :P i know you do stuff which fills it | 23:34 |
| default_ | lcuk: got about 150mb free in it.. but bug 1305 won't let app installer install anything with that amount free | 23:35 |
| lcuk | but it is rare tosee someone else | 23:35 |
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| lcuk | are you sure its 1305? | 23:35 |
| lcuk | bug 1305 | 23:35 |
| default_ | no l[ | 23:35 |
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| default_ | no ;] | 23:35 |
| MohammadAG | hmm | 23:35 |
| MohammadAG | bug 1305 | 23:35 |
| MohammadAG | povbot's dead | 23:35 |
| MohammadAG | bug 1 | 23:35 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1 test - ignore it | 23:35 |
| MohammadAG | or it ignores dupes | 23:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | for good reason | 23:36 |
| lcuk | bug 10305 is the one you mean | 23:36 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10305 Application Manager in PR1.2 says not enough space even though there is. | 23:36 |
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| default_ | sorry.. bug #10305 | 23:36 |
| MohammadAG | for x in range [1..100000]; do echo bug $x; done | 23:36 |
| default_ | thats the one ;] | 23:36 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, I'd like to see it ignore that ^ | 23:37 |
| lcuk | ok default_ if you have experienced this, be specific vote for the bug, and if you can add new info not already in the report, please add it | 23:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'd like to see you trying it :-P | 23:37 |
| lcuk | there are very few people encountering this, and adjusting it generically is a problem | 23:37 |
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| lcuk | so if you find posts and howtos for adjusting, please also add info there | 23:37 |
| * DocScrutinizer nods | 23:38 | |
| default_ | well.. it sounds like others are curing this bug by reinstalling the mme.. I was thinking if I was going to go to that trouble.. I might as well look into fixing the whole mme problem from the get go. I'd easily have filled that 150mb by now if I could | 23:39 |
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| default_ | Can't really install many of the larger games with the 2g limit | 23:39 |
| lcuk | mme? | 23:39 |
| default_ | errr.. screweing up my terminology again, am I? | 23:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | 150mb? | 23:40 |
| lcuk | default_, sure but now with the 2g limit been there a long time and only a handful of people have come up against it | 23:40 |
| lcuk | DocScrutinizer, its almost that yes | 23:40 |
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| default_ | It seems I meant "eMMC" | 23:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | anyway you lost me | 23:41 |
| default_ | Really? I remember reading a lot of reviews before the device complaining about that and the root limit. | 23:42 |
| * lcuk remembers the amiga variable allocation RAM drive and smiles | 23:42 | |
| DocScrutinizer | is this about filling up /home now, or about free space in / ? | 23:42 |
| lcuk | default_, root limit and 2gb home are actually 2 different problems | 23:42 |
| default_ | But basically blowing it off out of expectation it would be easy to fix since we're talking about debian | 23:42 |
| lcuk | related yes, but totally different | 23:42 |
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| default_ | well... yes and no. The cause similar problems but one is a hardware limit and the other is a design limit | 23:43 |
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| default_ | The=They | 23:43 |
| lcuk | default_, nobody is blowing anything off, the remaining space on the eMMC is mounted and unmounted at various times, for data thats used as the operating system its not quite a straight forward thing | 23:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | I fail to see how you can fill up 2GB by just usual usage patterns | 23:44 |
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| jacekowski | i did | 23:44 |
| jacekowski | quite easily | 23:44 |
| default_ | I was referring to the reviewers I had read last year when remarking upon those limits in their reviews.. I apologize for using an overly strong term | 23:44 |
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| lcuk | DocScrutinizer, some games are 200mb+ each | 23:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | eew | 23:44 |
| jacekowski | yep | 23:45 |
| lcuk | yes, silly | 23:45 |
| lcuk | but thats it | 23:45 |
| mc_teo` | so anyways, to update packages manually, should i just use apt-get? | 23:45 |
| lcuk | i prefer having device for data | 23:45 |
| jacekowski | data == porn? | 23:45 |
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| default_ | Nobody has ever described me as being "usual" | 23:45 |
| * DocScrutinizer waves | 23:45 | |
| lcuk | jacekowski, :| | 23:45 |
| default_ | But then, if you install a lot of the software available, it is easy to fill 2g | 23:46 |
| default_ | But why are we debating this? | 23:46 |
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| mc_teo` | 2gb is easily filled | 23:46 |
| * lcuk is finally glad that this is now the problem and that rootfs no longer fills by default | 23:46 | |
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| jacekowski | i suppose, gui resize for that 2g partition would be killer app | 23:46 |
| lcuk | default_, go finding mechanisms to change on the fly then | 23:46 |
| lcuk | please | 23:46 |
| lcuk | :) | 23:46 |
| jacekowski | it's simple to resize it | 23:47 |
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| default_ | I hope nobody thinks I am suggesting that the device should have been sold as I want it... That is certainly not what I am saying. I don't intend on pushing my ideals on others | 23:47 |
| mc_teo` | would there be any way to make a percent battery indicater? | 23:47 |
| jacekowski | well, resize is simple | 23:47 |
| lcuk | default_, I think you are in an ideal position to do the investigation - purely because you need it for your use case | 23:48 |
| default_ | jace: you have unmount partitions to resize them | 23:48 |
| jacekowski | delete MyDocs partition | 23:48 |
| jacekowski | default_: nope | 23:48 |
| lcuk | adding the info onto the specific bug about it is the right thing to do | 23:48 |
| default_ | no? | 23:48 |
| jacekowski | no | 23:48 |
| jacekowski | you can update partition table | 23:48 |
| jacekowski | reboot | 23:48 |
| jacekowski | so system will reread it | 23:48 |
| jacekowski | because you can't force reread if it's in use | 23:48 |
| default_ | lcuk: I think the other posts on that bug cover all of the angles that I have experienced | 23:48 |
| jacekowski | and then resize filesystem | 23:48 |
| jacekowski | and filesystem resize can be done online with ext | 23:49 |
| jacekowski | ext3 | 23:49 |
| jacekowski | i think | 23:49 |
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| jacekowski | i'm not really sure about ext3 | 23:49 |
| jacekowski | i know it was possible with ext2 | 23:49 |
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| lcuk | default_, sure - I see people iwth the issue | 23:49 |
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| default_ | I hadn't heard that before.. at any rate I'm fine with temporarily booting into a partition on the microSD and then resizing.. but it would be ideal to find someone who has already done it | 23:51 |
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| default_ | Thanks for the help everyone | 23:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil has resized his home and mydocs iirc | 23:55 |
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| nicholas-x | my n900 is redy for flashing :) | 23:57 |
| nicholas-x | charged ] | 23:57 |
| nicholas-x | ready | 23:57 |
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| mc_teo` | set | 23:58 |
| mc_teo` | go! | 23:58 |
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