IRC log of #maemo for Saturday, 2010-08-07

crashanddieI can't see join/parts, nothing anymore?00:00
Stskeepsnow for 15 mins at least00:00
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crashanddietowam: you can talk now00:00
towamI dont want to anymore00:00
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crashanddietowam: though: "the registration process is dangerous" is NOT a valid excuse00:01
towamIt is00:01
crashanddiehow so?00:01
crashanddieI mean, feel free to enlighten me, but now you're just pressing my buttons00:01
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towamu have buttons?00:03
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towamok u r rude00:04
towamfuk u00:04
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arcolis it somebody aware how to install enlightenment libraries to n900?00:12
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Davideif I flash my N900 with the flasher software and latest firmware, this will wipe out the whole previous installation including rootfs correct? and reinstall it of course00:17
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andre__Davide: emmc image will overwrite rootfs stuff, yes.00:19
DavideI'm having such a strange problem... when my screen goes blank after the 30 seconds, I cannot get it to unblank00:19
Davidesometimes it does unblank after several tries00:20
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andre__Davide, how do you try to unblank it?00:20
Davidethe N900 is fully operational in the background, but blank screen00:20
Davidewith the side button, opening the lens cover00:20
Davideor sliding the keyboard00:20
andre__power button at the top too?00:20
Jartzagreeting from Assembly00:21
Davideor even if the screen is not locked, it should unblank by just touching it it does not00:21
Davideyes the power button as well00:21
andre__hmm. weird.00:21
Davideif I turn off the device it takes several tries for it to turn back on00:21
andre__any "interesting" 3rd party apps installed (extras-devel)?00:21
GAN900Hi, andre__.00:21
andre__heja GAN90000:21
Davidethe only two things that happened were I installed the newest mappero update that was available00:22
Davide(which I then uninstalled)00:22
Davideand the device dropped on the floor it was about a 1-2 foot drop00:22
DavideI am not sure how the drop could have affected it00:22
Davidebecause it works sometimes and it is sporadic...00:22
Davideas long as I don't let the screen go blank, it keeps working00:23
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Davideshoot there are so many versions of 1.2 available for download... which one is it?00:25
Knirchi can't seem to be able to install extra decoders, conflicts with a gstreamer package, is the gstreamer package part of the official maemo packages, or have i managed to install something that shouldnt be there?00:26
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crashanddieKnirch: gstreamer is used pretty heavily by maemo in general00:37
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crashanddieKnirch: cameras, microphone, don't remove it00:37
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tremnite all, sweet dreams00:59
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Davideis using the Nokia software updater to install the latest version the same as flashing the device?01:52
Davidefor an N900?01:52
Davideor do I have to use the command line flasher?01:52
lcukDavide, they should be the same01:54
Davidehi lcuk thanks01:54
lcukunless using the command line flasher you install the wrong one01:54
Davideman I hope this works01:54
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lcukDavide, just backup using the backup tool01:55
ieatlintsometimes i look at automake and just cry that bsd didn't win01:55
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lcukand then pretty much whatever happens happens.01:55
DavideI'm having a problem the screen won't unblank itself01:55
lcukmmm why?01:55
lcukdo you have your tvout cable01:55
lcukand a tv handy01:55
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Davidewhen it goes blank it won't unblank... then sometimes it does01:55
lcukyou could then confirm if its screen ;)01:55
Davideya but when I turn it off it won't even start back up the device01:56
luke-jrDavide: might just be really slow?01:56
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Davidesometimes it does but I'm not sure why01:56
lcukok so keep it active for a few minutes whilst you backup!01:56
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Davidewell haven't been able to bring it back now for a while01:56
lcukhmmm Davide thats odd01:56
DavideI"m gonna try to flash01:56
Davidecan't really turn it on01:56
lcukthen, good luck!01:56
Davidehehe ok brb01:56
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lcukwhat does the chage led look like when its plugged in01:56
Davideit charges01:57
lcukdoes it get as far as solid green if you leave it01:57
Davidehang on brb01:57
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lcukright, cos flashing is the one time you need as much charge as feasible01:57
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lcukieatlint, automake is necessary evil isnt it?01:59
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Davidelcuk I guess I have not charged it enough for the green light to come on... since this started happening02:00
Davideit's pretty much fully charged now, but I didn't wait for the green02:00
lcukfair enough, did the flash flash02:00
Davideabout to try02:01
ieatlintno, it's not necessary, just evil02:01
lcukieatlint, i understand02:02
Davideoh shoot it requires that the device be on??02:02
lcuki have some things which don't use autotools at all02:02
Davideas in on with an online profile02:02
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ieatlinti'm not the biggest fan of qt, but qmake does make me smile02:02
* Mousey thinks . o O ( sam? )02:02
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lcukieatlint, thats not an unreasonable thing02:03
lcukits had a lot of thought put into it02:03
ieatlintwhat a contrast :P02:03
ieatlinti should go find stallman and punch him... he's probably used to it02:03
lcukno - it might have its downsides02:04
lcukbut like lots of linux it does hold up and allow building and pretesting on various systems02:04
ieatlinti think a judge would understand..02:04
ieatlinti've run into more problems with autotools itself than i think it's prevented -- ESPECIALLY with cross compiling02:05
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smharhow to port simple programs from linux to maemo, if there are no dependencies, just a compile for arm and move to N900?02:06
* Arkenoi hates autotools. if programs author never tried to build it o any non-linux system, it almost certainly won't02:06
johnsqautotools are broken by design02:06
lcuksmhar, if its anything like the experience I had02:06
lcukdownload source from debian into scratchbox02:07
Davidelcuk nothing :(02:07
lcuksubmit to autobuilder02:07
lcukthats for a library though, for more UI facing stuff, or with odd dependencies then you may have more work02:07
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Davidewhen I connect it, it keeps finding the usb storage device, but of course it cannot access the drive02:08
Davideand the N900 still does not turn on02:08
lcukDavide, use wall charger first02:08
DavideI did02:09
lcukwhat if you take battery and usb out02:09
lcukand then put battery in on its own?02:09
Davideya tried it several times02:09
lcuk(remove sim and mem card too just in case)02:09
smhardoes the Nokia qt sdk include a scratchbox?02:09
Davideok I'll remove sim havent done that02:09
lcuksmhar, no, it includes a simulator and afaik mechanism to copy debs02:09
* lcuk remembers when desktop computers flaked out - removing all extension cards and rebuilding slowly02:10
lcukto identify problem02:10
* lcuk got quite used to hearing the beeps and knowing which component failed02:10
Davideomg this blows!02:10
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lcukDavide, good or bad blows?02:12
Davidevery bad!02:12
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Davidedamn what do I do now? send it back?02:12
lcukthat would generally be the course of action for something not working02:13
lcukbut since I do not know your warranty or how you purchased it, thats down to you to get rma etc02:13
Davidewell it's within the 1 year of course02:14
nox-hm odes the warranty cover dropping the device tho?  (or was that not you?)02:14
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Butterzsan@find rossetta stone02:16
ieatlintman, that is intelligence right there02:17
ieatlintButterzsan: did you design autotools?02:17
Butterzsanyou know of a server where I can download software such as the above searched02:18
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Butterzsanyeah I tried that02:19
ieatlinthe probably tried that too... it's the first place i look02:20
Butterzsanwhat is that02:20
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lcukButterzsan, you are on the internet02:21
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mortiniieatlint: yeah, but it's kind of intermittant, so it's best to keep trying.02:21
mortinisometimes it works, but not always02:22
Butterzsanyeah of course I am. The site is not loading02:22
ieatlintsome people have more luck than others with it02:22
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mortiniyeah, just gotta keep trying02:22
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WormFooddoes anyone have a clue, what I need to do, to make my N800 work normally after replacing the internal battery? (the power button does not work as expected, when I plugin the main battery, the N800 just comes on, and I can't turn it off)02:25
Davideman the nokia warranty page just takes me to non existant page02:26
WormFoodthat is because their warranty is non-existant02:28
WormFoodthat is why I'll NEVER buy another nokia product02:28
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crashanddieWormFood: existent02:41
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lcukits all i wanna do, so won't you dance02:51
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WormFoodso, back to my original question....does anyone know what to do, after I replace my internal battery in my N800? It appears to be installed correctly, but still does not work right. Do I need to run some program or what?03:03
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lcukWormFood, so the whole problem with device is related to power button itself?03:08
lcukand you said you replaced a battery, not the normal one I gather?03:09
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WormFoodno, not the power button...that is just a symptom03:10
WormFoodthe internal battery was dead03:10
WormFoodI noticed that the N800 didn't work properly, so I investigated, and found the dead internal battery.03:11
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WormFoodI insert the main battery, and it just powers need to hit the power button. If I hit the power button after it is running, it reboots, unless I'm charging it03:12
kerioI HAS SUCCESS03:12
keriounstuck the vibra03:12
kerio(ftr - "while true; do echo 255 > /sys/class/leds/t/brightness; sleep 1; done" did the trick)03:13
WormFoodlcuk, it appears all "expensive" nokia products have an internal battery. I was working on my N85 the other day, and noticed it also has the same insanely small internal battery too03:13
lcuki still do not see what battery has to do with powerbutton03:14
Stskeepsah, rtc battery was dead?03:14
Stskeepsi'd recommend reflashing, personally03:15
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kerioinstall ntpd03:16
lcuki'd personally like to hear the problem03:16
lcukbefore recommending a course of action03:16
keriolcuk: installing ntpd is always a good thing to do regardless of problems03:17
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WormFoodStskeeps, I'll try that again03:19
WormFoodhowever, I don't see how reflashing will help03:19
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WormFoodI'm thinking there is some internal memory or something that needs to be setup03:19
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SpeedEvilHaha. Someone just linked me to a website that 'could never work on a phone' - and it does.03:31
SpeedEvilAdmittedly slowly.03:31
keriowhat website?03:31 - not worksafe.03:31
SpeedEvilmicrob asks to kill the js a couple of times as it's slow.03:32
lcuktheres many not worksafe sites that work on devices03:32
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lcukplayboy has some yoga videos which are extremely informative03:32
lcukand the site plays well and I can read all the rest of the articles :P03:33
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SpeedEvilThe above is a site where you can donate to underpriviledged romanian girls apparantly. (as well as some in the west).03:34
keriowhy are they underpriviledged?03:34
keriothey get donations!03:34
kerionobody donates *me* money :(03:34
SpeedEvilThey are underpriviledged as they don't have BMWs.03:34
kerioi don't have a bmw!03:34
keriomy father only has a mercedes03:35
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SpeedEvil1fcam is variably awesome.03:42
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SpeedEvilWith flashlight on, you can still get clear pics right down to 7cm or so.03:42
kerioSpeedEvil: can you make it work with the power kernel?03:42
SpeedEvilVariably, as I seem to get vignetting on all pics now, and the normal camera dies.03:43
SpeedEvilI do not hav epower kernel installed.03:43
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infobotDocScrutinizer51: :)07:33
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E0x_i am try get and print a value from gconf that are a list type , not sure how get print it , if the key was int i use get_init , if was String i use get_string; get_list exist but when i print it i get bad results07:38
E0x_(<GConfValue at 0x1bd1a0>, <GConfValue at 0x1bd1b0>, <GConfValue at 0x1bd1c0>, <GConfValue at 0x1bd1d0>)07:38
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E0x_this what i am doing:07:39
E0x_>>> import gconf07:39
E0x_>>> client = gconf.client_get_default()07:39
E0x_>>> count = client.get('/apps/osso/hildon-desktop/views/active')07:39
E0x_>>> print count.get_list07:39
E0x_(python btw )07:39
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alteregoE0x: you're not doing anything wrong, that's exactly as it should look08:08
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ds3hmmmm pose nor the other emu are updated for n90008:08
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E0xalterego: hmm08:10
E0xalterego: check this08:10
E0x $ gconftool-2 -a /apps/osso/hildon-desktop/views08:11
E0x current = 108:11
E0x active = [1,2,3,4]08:11
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alteregoE0x: it's printed a list of gconfvalue items, you need to call get_int on each element of that lisp08:11
alteregolist ..08:11
E0xalterego: sorry but not sure how do that08:12
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alteregoE0x: print map(gconf.Value.get_int, count.get_list)08:15
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E0xalterego: perfect , thx08:18
fralsX-Fade: autobuilder seems to not import packages automatically08:22
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arcolflashing the eMMC image is done with the same command line option?09:04
arcolsudo flasher-3.5 -F RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin  -f -R09:05
arcolehh rtfm09:06
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ColdFyrei mad ea blank script in event.d that won't let the n900 boot now, is there a partial image i can flash?09:38
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chadiMy phone does not auto-rotate anymore :/ example: pictures, blubbels, mappero (or anything that rotates) -- how can I find what's blocking it?09:41
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spinningcompassColdFyre: You can flash it & return it to factory standard, but I don't think you can partially flash it.09:47
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chadiI don't want to flash it .. :/09:48
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spinningcompassWhen you said, "Is there a partial image I can flash," I thought you meant, "Can I partially flash my device?"09:49
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spinningcompasschadi: Are you talking to me? I was talking to ColdFyre09:49
chadithat was not me :P09:49
spinningcompasschadi: That's why my comment began with "ColdFyre:". :)09:50
chadiI thought you mis-autocompleted my name :P09:50
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spinningcompassOK. ColdFyre had a question. It read, "i mad ea blank member:script in event.d that won't let the n900 boot now, is there a partial image i can flash?"09:50
chadi-afkokay :)09:51
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xxtjaxxHi everyone first time user of a maemo device. I send some oggs over to it and had ogg-vorbis-support installed already10:20
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xxtjaxxbut videos (ogv) works. ogg not any idea why and how to get it working?10:21
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kulvexxtjaxx: read the bug #9498 through, there's a list of things to try out10:32
povbotBug Media Player won't recognize ogg files as media10:32
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ScifiHi, I am trying to find instructions on how to display a dialog to user during/after package installation. I saw the guide somewhere but can't find it now. Can anyone help?10:39
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chadi-afkMy phone does not auto-rotate anymore :/ examples: pictures, blubbels, mappero (or anything that rotates) -- how can I find what's blocking it?11:04
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arcolis somebody have successfully enabled subtitles?11:08
arcolI have installed it, but dunno how Im supposed to enable it11:08
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_llll_chadi-afk: it forgets every now and then (or after a reboot), just do the sym+tr a few times until it works again11:13
chadi-afkyou mean sym+t+r ?11:14
_llll_i mean sym+r11:14
chadi-afksym or ctrl?11:15
_llll_oh, yeah that too11:15
chadi-afkI know the ctrl+shift+r trick11:15
chadi-afkbut it totates the whole UI11:16
_llll_oh, isnt that what you're doing?11:16
_llll_never mind then11:16
chadi-afkwhen in a picture in full screen, it should rotate according to the accelerometer position11:16
chadi-afkwithout any ctrl+shift+r11:16
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chadi-afkis it a broken accelerometer?11:20
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kerioi need to redistribute my symbols11:25
kerioalso i'd like to know if there's a 'none' key that you can set, so you can disable a keymap that's enabled on a base layout11:26
kerioso i can just make my own 'it' layout11:26
keriowithout touching the rest11:26
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MOUDHey all11:29
MOUDis "Tweak Flash plugin version" safe to install?11:30
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DuckbootMOUD: probably11:34
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MOUDDuckboot: There are many flash sites that requires you to log in, and I don't want others to steal information. That's why I am asking.11:36
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DuckbootMOUD: Oh - Well - just apt-get source it, and check yourself.11:37
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Khiralyis it somebody aware of any application displaying the current download/upload speed?13:04
KhiralyIm using netspeed applet on ubuntu box13:04
Khiralysomething similar would be great on the n90013:05
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pigeonconky can show the net up/down speed, though of course it's not as handy as an applet/widget.13:24
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pigeoni was thinking of putting one together using the desktop command widget actually.13:25
jacekowskido you remember that fcc thing that requires for mobile phone to be "instantly" located by emergency services13:25
jacekowskithat could explain why rapuyama has all agps code inside13:26
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jacekowskiso it can alone locate and send that information somewhere13:26
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MrPingouinhello world13:27
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MrPingouinhmmm, I have installed the extra-devel repository, but I can't see footify in the package list (I've updated the list, well, it's done automatically though), does anyone have an idea ?13:28
keriois the same code replicated in maemo?13:29
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MrPingouinkerio: "you're talking to me ?" ? :)13:29
kerioto jacekowski13:30
DocScrutinizerchadi-afk: remove battery13:31
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MrPingouinhmmm, there's a log of the chan, cool I'll browse it13:32
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jacekowskikerio: parts of it13:32
keriojacekowski: can rapuyama actually do that, though?13:32
kerioi mean, is that code reached?13:32
jacekowskiwell, there are refferences to it so i suppose it can be reached13:33
keriodo we have the source of the rapuyama code?13:33
jacekowskii don't have any way of running that code on real hardware13:33
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jacekowskibut that would be only use for it13:33
jacekowskiunless it's some left over code when they stripped it down for use in n90013:34
jacekowskibecause normally rapuyama runs whole phone13:34
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MrPingouinmy mistake, I added extras not extra-devel13:37
kerioI think rapuyama is a cool guy. Eh runs whole phones and doesn't afraid of anything.13:38
MiXu-~curse asus13:38
infobotMay you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, asus !13:38
MiXu-Apparently my mobo doesn't support wake-on-lan13:39
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keriojacekowski: i'll give you 10 internets if you manage to actually run everything on rapuyama, for massive battery saving13:39
MiXu-Either that or I'm just doing-it-wrong.13:39
jacekowskikerio: rapuyama is just an arm core13:40
jacekowskirapu is an arm core13:40
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keriowhy don't we use it then?13:40
jacekowskiyama is doing modem stuff13:40
jacekowskibecause it can tear a hole in fabric of the universe13:41
keriojacekowski: make an easy to install dumbphone bootmenu entry that runs exclusively on rapu13:41
jacekowskithere are couple problems13:41
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jacekowskiM-shield being the first one13:41
DocScrutinizerjacekowski: I thought your idea about GPS and GSM was commonly accepted knowledge13:41
jacekowski2nd, rapuyama doesn't have access to lcd13:41
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jacekowski3rd no access to keyboard13:42
DocScrutinizerreasons why there's no SAT support?13:42
keriojacekowski: that's why you run a tiiny code on the cortex13:43
DocScrutinizeror what?13:43
jacekowskikerio: well, it has to still run13:43
chadi-afkDocScrutinizer: ty, will see that link13:43
jacekowskikerio: so it uses power13:43
keriono backlit13:43
jacekowskino savings at all13:43
keriogo pure transreflective13:44
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kerioaw :(13:44
korhojoa'transreflective' is pretty much useless in darkness13:45
keriook, *really*dumbphone - receive only13:45
korhojoaso what, rings for 5 seconds then auto-answers?13:45
jacekowskimain processor still has to run13:45
jacekowskievertyhing that goes to rapuyama is processed by it13:46
keriojacekowski: enable 125mhz plus that smart thing that's unstable13:46
korhojoathat's a piece of shit13:46
korhojoa´let me rephrase that. it's useless for 60% of people13:47
keriokorhojoa: hey, we don't have to run anything on it :D13:47
DocScrutinizerit's a fsckd up design of the regulator to SoC wiring13:47
korhojoawith smartreflex it might even be able to screw up a nop13:47
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korhojoanop is suddenly jmp and whoa it resets!13:48
DocScrutinizersure, as the regs may not change voltage fast enough for CPU clock freq transitions13:48
keriokorhojoa: woah, that's something13:48
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korhojoatbh, smartreflex usually works fine for me for a day13:49
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korhojoathen it starts doing funky things and in the end resets13:49
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keriobut does it save power before that?13:49
DocScrutinizerbut please stop that nonsense. It's BS to run something on Rapuyama for "bat savings" and then lok SoC CPU to 125 and permanent on to make it happen :-/13:49
korhojoakerio: not really.13:49
keriok, will do13:50
DocScrutinizer1) we can't do that (run anything on rapu)13:50
* RST38h does not understand a word of what Doc is saying13:50
jacekowskiwell, only thing that would make sence is to run dumb os on main processor13:50
DocScrutinizer2) it won't save anything13:50
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korhojoadumb os! dumb os!13:50
jacekowskiand design in a way that main processor only would wake up on incoming call13:50
TermanaN900RST38h, does not fempute?13:50
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jacekowskiand that's something that's possible13:50
RST38hsomething like that13:50
korhojoathree buttons: "call/answer" "turn off" "?????"13:51
RST38halthough rapuyama sounds japanese13:51
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korhojoarapu is a finnish word for crab13:51
keriokorhojoa: use the camera lid13:51
korhojoaah. even better13:51
RST38hok, now it sounds like some perverted Japanese sex practice involving Finnish crabs.13:51
chadi-afkDocScrutinizer: amazing, it worked, ty very much!!13:52
RST38hAs to power saving, simply use i8051 or a similar CPU to run your whole phone on.13:52
chadi-afkI was gonna reflash13:52
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* RST38h would suggest dumb logic but it would be unrealistic13:53
korhojoapower saving: switch to a dumbphone. add a external lipo battery and you'll have a phone that lasts forever on battery13:53
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keriokorhojoa: but... single device!13:55
korhojoawell. put them in a big black box13:55
RST38hsingle dumb device, what would you need a smart device for13:55
korhojoathen they'll be a single dumb device13:56
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DocScrutinizerRST38h: (not a word) of my notes about smartreflex? or the line about general uselessness of idea to run user progs on rapu?14:17
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DocScrutinizerbtw to maximize standby time: switch off all unsolicited msgs from Rapuyama, then got to suspend-to-ram on SoC ->300h standby14:20
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SpeedEvilYeah - I have done that, it works well.14:20
SpeedEvilBut I haven't worked out how to actually switch off unsols.14:20
SpeedEvilit wakes up on every signal change - which makes it useless14:21
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* DocScrutinizer nods14:21
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RST38hSmartReflex will not work.14:25
DocScrutinizerSmartReflex will always work14:25
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RST38hforget it, there is a manufacturing flaw14:25
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DocScrutinizerSR is a couple of measures14:26
RST38hthe one disabled will not work if enabled.14:26
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slonopotamusDocScrutinizer, measures can be flawed :)14:26
DocScrutinizerwhat you're talking bout is just automatic dynamic adjustment of core voltage14:26
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DocScrutinizerslonopotamus: thanks, cpt obvious!14:27
slonopotamusDocScrutinizer, yw14:27
DocScrutinizer[2010-08-07 12:48:05] <DocScrutinizer> sure, as the regs may not change voltage fast enough for CPU clock freq transitions14:27
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DocScrutinizerso basically SmartReflex for GAIA (aka dynamic core voltage) is transiently doing same bad thing to the system that those idiotic ULV settings suggested by OC fanboys do permanently14:30
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RST38htheir idiotic ulv settings appear to work14:31
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RST38hthe dynamic core voltage changes do not14:32
DocScrutinizeras does that SR sysnode setting :-P14:32
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RST38h"Sherlock" is pretty good, except that I can't avoid thinking of DrWho playing Holmes there.14:33
RST38hLooks like Dr Who. Talks like Dr Who. Behaves like Dr Who.14:33
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BCMMi thought that!14:33
BCMMa traditional slightly mad/absent-minded one14:34
BCMM(and sherlock holmes really shouldn't be absent-minded)14:34
RST38hSame guy writing scripts for both shows14:34
BCMMi've only seen a tiny bit of sherlock, and noticed it14:34
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BCMMRST38h: also, this being teh internet, i am forced to remind you that he is known simply as "The Doctor", not as "Dr Who"14:36
DocScrutinizerDr W. who cares. Who -Watson14:37
DocScrutinizerexcept you said he's playing Holmes14:38
BCMMheh, not-english people14:38
BCMMand their failure to realise that life is mostly about dr. who14:38
RST38hAh, another wikipedian.14:39
DocScrutinizerprobably watson and holmes confused their roles and storybooks14:40
RST38hBut yes, DrWho miraculously manages to be completely unrelated to the real world, while being relevant14:40
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RST38hMore or less like that Kindzadza movie14:40
jacekowskiTorchwood is good one as well14:40
jacekowskibritish scifi series are one of the best14:40
DocScrutinizerblaergh no more milk -> no cafe latte14:40
* DocScrutinizer afk14:41
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jacekowskisg-1 is a good one as well14:41
* RST38h sighs14:41
DocScrutinizerRST38h: safe your breath, you'll need it14:42
RST38hStargate SG-1 (often abbreviated as SG-1) is a Canadian-American military science fiction television series14:42
* RST38h heeds Doc's advice and quotes wiki instead14:43
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* DocScrutinizer notes that in recent US SF, all contact from earth to alien entities always is governed by US military. This parallels their external politics on earth14:52
* SpeedEvil ponders.14:52
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RST38hAlways has been14:54
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RST38hJust consider StarTrek and what it tells us about the political system of the "Federation"14:54
jacekowskiDocScrutinizer: well, in doctor who it's done by the doctor14:54
DocScrutinizeris DrWho a US SF?14:55
RST38hBTW, now, when I am thinking about it, that "Federation" is pretty creepy14:55
RST38hConrolled by the Earth military, "protecting" multiple other species, no money mentioned anywhere, food and transporter "credits" apparently rationed by the government14:57
jacekowskiDocScrutinizer: it's british14:57
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RST38hAnd the Starfleet apparently being the only large enough employer14:57
DocScrutinizerjacekowski: see?14:57
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SpeedEvilNot quite.15:00
SpeedEvilBack in the 60s, a moderate fraction of US SF output assumed some sort of UN-based body15:01
* ShadowJK only vaguely remembers "credits" present on resource-starved voyager and perhaps ds9 that had non-federation comercial activities15:01
RST38hSpeedEvil: Directed by the US, of course15:01
RST38hShadowJK: The also figure in the Next Generation15:01
RST38hShadowJK: As in "XXX is out of his transporter credits"15:01
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RST38hShadowJK: In DS9, the aliens are using money all right15:02
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* SpeedEvil is rewatching Babylon 5.15:03
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* RST38h considers rewatching Firefly15:03
ShadowJKWhere did all the good scifi go :/15:04
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lcukalpha uadrant15:04
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lcukthey took my typing skills too15:05
* ShadowJK should finish Blake's 5 someday15:05
lcukblakes 7 wasnt it?15:05
ShadowJKdidn't a few die off15:05
RST38hShadowJK: Do check out "Sherlock"15:06
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RST38hShadowJK: Two episodes are out, you know where to get them15:06
lcuki read a lot of scifi15:06
lcuksome things dont work as tv shows/movies15:06
ShadowJKnot so sure, haven't had a suitable setup since 2005 or so :)15:06
ShadowJKor then will smith comes and rapes it15:07
RST38hShadowJK: N900 can both download and play it for you :)15:07
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ShadowJKIt's 2010, why is there no working, easy, legal way :)15:08
Stskeepsssh to the US, use hulu15:08
RST38hThat is neither working nor easy15:08
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ShadowJKIneed to move my server then15:09
RST38hHow have you got your Hulu account from outside of the US, btw? ;)15:09
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ShadowJKit's in amsterdam now15:09
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StskeepsRST38h: don't have one15:09
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ShadowJKRST38h, maybe you need some cc fraud and identity theft too15:10
* RST38h would like to avoid these, if possible15:10
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kerioStskeeps: bug trackers should really get that "works on my machine(c)" logo for WORKSFORME bugs15:11
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Muelli \o/15:12
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LjLi see a lot of auctioned N900s that look like this i.e. having that dark screen cover with always a white label on the bottom left and the thingy on the top right. is this what a *genuine* N900 looks like when new? (as opposed to the chinese clones i'm aware of)15:15
RST38hYes, it looks geniune15:16
RST38hWhich, of course, may not mean a thing15:16
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BCMMLjL: that's a protective film to stop it getting scratched before it's sold, the bit on the left is a 2d barcode, for stock control or something, the thing on the right is the tab you use to pull the protective film off15:27
LjLyep. i was merely wondering whether it was typical of the real things, or of imitations15:27
BCMMLjL: also, the specs claim it's the real thing15:28
BCMMso you would certainly be able to dispute it if it was not15:28
BCMMand that's the best you're gonna get, because they could always have a picture of an n900 and post you a dead pidgeon15:28
BCMMthe ones to watch out for are the very vaguely described ones15:29
BCMMn900 (no mention of nokia) mobile phone, has a keyboard, has applications15:29
RST38hdead pidgeons have applications too15:30
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RST38his autobuilder dead again?15:31
lcukLjL, it is not unknown for people to attempt to use the device with that protective cover on ;)15:34
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keriodead pidgeons are awesome15:35
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SpeedEvilkerio: If you're interested, I have several dead rats you could purchase.15:37
kerionot a fan of those15:37
SpeedEvilI could glue a paper aeroplane to them?15:37
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crashanddieLjL: they're lying though15:38
RST38hWe will murder them all15:38
RST38h  With laughter and merriment15:38
RST38h    Except for a few15:39
crashanddieLjL: there's no java native to the N90015:39
RST38h        We take home to experiment! ;)15:39
crashanddieLjL: and MMS is only supported through a third party app15:39
lcukscrew the java, its the amoled15:39
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LjLcrashanddie: oh right when the auction claims java and mms it's usually a chinese ripoff (i didn't really look at that auction closely, just picked a random one that had the screen cover)15:40
RST38hlcuk: you mean, capacitive touchscreens are no longer a "requirement"?15:40
LjLlcuk: can you use a resisitive screen with that stuff on?15:40
crashanddieLjL: yes15:40
crashanddieLjL: though, the screen cover is just how it comes out of the box, IIRC15:40
lcukLjL, sure, thats the normal thing of a protective cover15:40
SpeedEvilnom nom nom.15:41
* SpeedEvil breakfasts on flapjacks crumbled in milk, with puree'd goosebery on top.15:42
SpeedEvil(and yes, in an ideal world, I'd be doing this before 1:42PM)15:42
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LjLalso please don't take it as flaming, but i've got a capacitive touchscreen phone and various people have told me the N900's touchscreen is much worse in comparison. how do you find it, especially those of you who've tried both? do you have to press harder, and is there any jittering?15:44
lcukis xcode an open language?15:44
lcukis there a compiler for linux?15:44
kerioLjL: the n900's resistive touchscreen is awesome15:44
SpeedEvilLjL: there is a press required to activate the screen yes. This is several grams thouhg.15:44
SpeedEvilActually - hangon - brb15:44
LjLwill it work if you gently use your nail on it? that's the way i use older resistive screens (from PDAs)15:45
lcukLjL, capacitive is merely different15:45
lcuki use my n900 screen with finger pad15:45
kerioyour finger is enough15:46
kerioand most of the things are finger-friendly15:46
LjLbut my nail is much more precise than my finger15:46
lcuksure and that works too15:46
SpeedEvilThe touchscreen activation force - with a screen protector - is 8-10g or so.15:47
LjLsomeone here (or in #meego) yesterday was saying something about pressure sensitivity, is there actually that?15:48
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LjLSpeedEvil: thanks that's interesting information. i don't have a balance now to check what that feels like, but i will later15:48
lcukLjL, the N900 does indeed have pressure sensitivity15:49
LjLi suppose maybe things like "kinetic" scrolling might be a bit less natural if you have to press the screen15:49
RST38hlcuk: it does not really15:49
SpeedEvilLjL: Perhaps half that.15:50
RST38hlcuk: you cannot rely on the pressure reading at all15:50
SpeedEvilLjL: perhaps half that with no screen protector15:50
lcuksame as I cant for a pencil15:50
lcukits enough to use for pressure sensitive drawing15:50
RST38hlcuk: with a pencil, you can15:50
SpeedEvilLjL: 10g is about the weight of a short pencil15:50
lcukuntil pencil goes on the wonk15:50
RST38hlcuk: with n900, you can't do much pressure sensitive drawing, it detects pressure randomly15:50
lcukRST38h, it works quite well whenever I have messed15:51
lcukcertainly not milspec but good enough for playing15:51
RST38hlcuk: does not work for me and I tried15:51
crashanddieLjL: there is a bit of jittering, but the comfort of being able to use anything to use the screen is a livesaver15:51
RST38hlcuk: it does return a reading, but it appears to be random15:51
crashanddieLjL: especially if you do a bit of outdoor sports, as soon as you wear gloves, no iPhone for you...15:51
* SpeedEvil ponders if anyone has died due to being unable to use a capacitive touchscreen.15:51
crashanddieRST38h: the artists don't really agree with you15:52
lcukRST38h, nahh its also depending on how much of an effect you put on it15:52
RST38hcrash: you have still got your nose!15:52
LjLcrashanddie: heh true. is the jittered mitigated anyhow by software? like, when scrolling things, i can imagine the jitter being quite annoying15:52
lcukit worked for me to show leadin/leadout color fade on strokes15:52
crashanddieLjL: no, scrolling is fine15:52
crashanddieLjL: scrolling is usually one swift movement, so no problem there15:52
SpeedEvilLjL: Jitter is basically a problem for some software-writers. I have never seen an issue in real life with any software.15:53
LjLcrashanddie: well it depends, often i will pause at some point during the scrolling to see if i've reached the point i wanted, and then continue scrolling15:53
* RST38h suspects the penis will work just as well on the iPhone15:53
* SpeedEvil has never used his penis as a pointer.15:54
RST38hSurely, someone has tested that already, more than once, given iPhone users intimate relationship with their fetish15:54
SpeedEvilNose, yes. Penis no.15:54
lcukLjL, i find NO issues with kinetics on resistive15:54
lcuknever did on 8x0, never do on n90015:55
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crashanddieLjL: yeah, that works fine15:55
lcukwhat cpu/chipsets do the htc phones use?15:55
crashanddieLjL: basically, the algorithms easily implement scrolling, and subsequent stopping in the scrolling15:55
lcukare they arm?15:55
phrearchi have a n900 and was wondering why the gps is soo inprecise. does it require a data isp to work properly?15:56
crashanddieLjL: check out lcuk's picture scrolling videos in liqbase -- it shows proper algorithms15:56
keriophrearch: imprecise?15:56
kerioslow to fix maybe15:56
keriobut not imprecise15:56
SpeedEvilphrearch: what do you mean imprecise?15:56
LjLi must say i don't particularly like capacitive so far, it feels good not having to exercise any pressure at all and not getting any jitter, but the good feeling stops when you have to hit something a bit small (and there's bound to be such things, like links in a zoomed-out webpage, or selecting text)15:57
kerioand yeah, without a registered sim *and* a data connection the gps fix will be slow as fuck15:57
crashanddieLjL: and then there's fail algorithms, for example in the nokia desktop switching, but it's really just because I'm nitpicky (basically, the transition from one desktop to the next takes over as soon as you let go of the click, and if you try to "catch" it again (by clicking again), it will just keep the transition going15:57
phrearchwell, according to ovi maps, im in amsterdam while im in groningen15:57
phrearchthats like 150 km15:57
keriophrearch: that's not the gps ._.15:57
SpeedEvil 50% of points within 2.4m  90% within 4.2m  99% within 18m15:57
keriowait for the gps15:57
SpeedEvilthat's 'centre of country' location.15:57
lcukLjL, for good example of kinetics ;)
kerio(that's something that Maps should get from the iphone - a circle that shows the precision of the current position)15:58
SpeedEvilWhich uses the mobile phone SIMs country, and assumes you're in the centre.15:58
phrearcherr, when i click on the my position its at least 200m away15:58
LjLlcuk: thanks but can't load youtube, i'm on GPRS ;)15:58
crashanddieLjL: well, I really like Opera as a browser on the N900, much more than the built-in browser. The zooming is a bit of a pain in MicroB, so the fact that Opera automagically formats text to the width of the screen (without killing the CSS), and automatically zooms on first click is a godsend15:58
lcukcrashanddie, oi! desktop switching works nicely15:58
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SpeedEvilphrearch: Click on the statusbar. Now - does the GPS section say 'fine resolution' ?15:58
crashanddielcuk: "throw" one desktop to the next, and during the transition, try to click it again15:58
lcukcrashanddie, sure15:58
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crashanddielcuk: I expected the transition to stop, and you to be able to move it nicely, but it doesn't15:59
kerioSpeedEvil: can't click the statusbar on Maps15:59
SpeedEvilphrearch: if not - it's usinc cell-positioning15:59
crashanddielcuk: other than that it's fine (as I said, I'm just being nitpicky)15:59
LjLcrashanddie: Opera and Opera Mini are good (on the platforms i've tried them on, anyway). but i was planning to buy the N900 in order to have an as-open-source-as-possible phone, so i'd probably not install Opera15:59
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SpeedEvilI've not really used maps.15:59
phrearchSpeedEvil: checking15:59
SpeedEvilLjL: I have chromium, opera, lynx, fennec installed.15:59
crashanddieLjL: wait for a MeeGo phone then :P15:59
SpeedEvilLjL: oh - and iceweasel15:59
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SpeedEvilLjL: and the stock browser of course.16:00
LjLcrashanddie: well, i'm a cheapskate though :P so my idea is to get an N900 when/if MeeGo is running fully on it16:00
LjLbut meanwhile i'd like to get myself informed :)16:00
crashanddieLjL: well, I really enjoy opera's speed, and the lack of flash, which really helps in navigation on a low-power mobile device16:00
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SpeedEvilphrearch: I'm unsure actually - maps is wierd, and breaks the API16:00
LjLcrashanddie: no question there, it's good16:01
lcukRT: @lcuk Any #nokia #maemo #meego people in Helsinki at the moment, get to and watch out for some decent ARM tricks16:01
phrearchi clicked again, and now its like 50m off16:01
SpeedEvilcrashanddie: I was amused to find someones link 'this could never work on a phone' - did. - not worksafe.16:01
crashanddieLjL: also, opera is the only software that includes a good portrait-view on-screen keyboard16:01
SpeedEvilphrearch: switch to another app, now you can see the statusbar.16:01
LjLuhm wait, maemo/meego don't have an onscreen keyboard?16:02
SpeedEvilphrearch: see if it says 'fine position' when you click it16:02
SpeedEvilLjL: it can be turned off16:02
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LjLah but they do have it. was fearing there was none at all unless software provided it :P16:02
SpeedEvilphrearch: s/API/UX/16:02
phrearchno, it was coarse16:03
phrearchit is coars16:03
SpeedEvilphrearch: that usually means it can't pick up sat signals for some reason - if it's been on for > a couple of mins.16:03
SpeedEvilphrearch: Are you indoors?16:03
phrearchSpeedEvil, yea, ill check outside16:03
phrearchthanks :)16:04
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SpeedEvilonce it's had a position recently, it's lots more sensitive, even if you go indoors it will often keep lock16:04
LjLone other thing i want to know about maemo and especially meego (and i guess i shouldn't ask here, but i didn't get a reply there :P) is - where do i find software? the obvious googles don't give much of anything at all. is there just very little 3rd party software around, or what?16:05
keriothe googles, they do nothing!16:06
phrearchcool thanks, that was much much better16:06
SpeedEvilThere is regrettably little third party commercial software.16:06
phrearchi just need a 3g data connection for outdoors16:07
SpeedEvilWhile you maybe can't count the apps on the fingers of one hand, I suspect you may make it on 2.16:07
keriophrearch: you *can* get a proper gps fix with no cell network and no internet16:07
keriobut it will be *slooooooooooooooooow*16:07
keriowith both, i usually get a precise signal in less than 10 seconds16:08
phrearchkerio: does it need the data for the sattellite info?16:08
phrearchlike where its orbiting16:08
LjLSpeedEvil: :(  i was under the impression that apps could be found on Ovi Store, but that was confusing to me when i went there, as it lists stuff for other phones i think16:08
SpeedEvilOvi store is basically completely fucking broken.16:08
keriophrearch: yup16:08
keriowell, for a list of satellites the gps can reasonably expect to see16:08
keriofocusing on those, you get a position way faster than the usual16:09
SpeedEvilA list of satellites, and more importantly their orbits.16:09
kerioit's callled assisted gps16:09
SpeedEvilThis, combined with the current time and you r approximate location vastly speeds up lock16:09
phrearchwould be fun to create some apps with gps16:10
DocScrutinizer51go ahead, there's liblocation16:10
phrearchok, and a python lib for it as well right?16:10
phrearchwould be cool if works with gps16:11
DocScrutinizer51dunno, probably yes16:11
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LjLfor instance though i was hearing yesterday there are "a couple" of call recording apps for the N900 (which isn't possible on my Android), would those be in Extras, or somewhere on the broken Ovi Store, or what?16:12
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SpeedEvilthey are in extras.16:12
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SpeedEvilThere are - I think around a dozen GPS related apps for n900.16:13
zeltakhya..anyone knows of a identica client for the n900?16:13
kerioLjL: pretty much everything is in the repos16:13
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LjLcan someone please do an apt-cache search ""  for me and pastebin the result, so i can have a look at the full list easily?16:14
kerioapt-cache list?16:14
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RST38hHow do I list all packages available from a repo?16:15
RST38hOr all configured reps for that matter16:15
keriozeltak: "witter" does, apparently16:15
zeltakk thx kerio16:15
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LjLapt-cache search ""16:16
LjLlists them :P16:16
DocScrutinizer"stable" means extras, yes16:20
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DocScrutinizerlooking at *#-enabler and comparing to PortaBase I wonder HTF I get a decent "icon" there? I gather that's not the app icon but a screenshot displayed there, but where to set that?16:28
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RST38hBTW, what is is enabler thing for? Hasn't nokia enabled *# codes in PR1.2?16:28
DocScrutinizergiven the fact my edits on vanished after some 30min16:29
DocScrutinizerRST38h: see tmo "project homepage"16:30
RST38himporting a package into extras tends to delete all the edits you have previously done16:30
RST38hso, complain to XFade, although I doubt he will do anything16:30
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DocScrutinizerRST38h: edits were done *after* importing16:30
redsta111hi everyone16:30
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redsta111i need to go to the help channel.any help please.16:31
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DocScrutinizereerrrr wut?16:31
fralsDocScrutinizer: same place as you edit the description you can add pictures16:31
redsta111got bit problem16:31
fralsDocScrutinizer: but the pictures actually stick, compared to description :P16:31
DocScrutinizerfrals: oh I see16:31
DocScrutinizerfrals: thanks16:31
redsta111any help here please16:32
infobotextra, extra, read all about it, question is If you have a question and want people to give useful answers, make sure you have read this first:
RST38hDoc: Yes but how do you know when it actually imports the package?16:32
infobotQuestions in the channel should be specific, informative, complete, concise, and on-topic.  Don't ask if you can ask a question first.  Don't ask if a person is there; just ask what you intended to ask them.  Better questions more frequently yield better answers.  We are all here voluntarily or against our will.16:32
SpeedEvilredsta111: however you're not actually asking a question.16:32
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RST38hDoc: Given that the actual import script runs on a timer16:32
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frals05/35 every hour16:32
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frals(if that was the question)16:32
redsta111yeah.The problem is I can't turn on my n90016:33
redsta111it happened after last night,when I was trying to run Android on it with dual boot16:33
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DocScrutinizerdetails please!16:33
* RST38h wonders if knowing when the extras import script runs, with minute precision, is unhealthy for one's sanity16:34
TermanaI ain't here voluntarily that's for sure! Strapping me in this chair is cruel and unusual punishment I tells ya!16:34
DocScrutinizerRST38h: anyway on every run, edits are lost16:35
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RST38hI know16:35
* RST38h stopped caring months ago though: it is never getting fixed and it is not worth adding any package details because they get cleared16:35
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DocScrutinizeryep :-S16:36
DocScrutinizerwhat a Sh...16:36
RST38hDoc: Who cares? Nobody uses Extras any more. Everyone is using -Testing or -Devel16:36
redsta111yeah.last night i was trying to dual boot because of android.but I couldn't do it right.I got stuck on partition.So I quit.but today I just tried to turn off my n900 it says my phone is on usb mode remove the cable to turn it off.but it wasn't on usb so I just turned off by talking to battery out.16:36
fralswhat i heard X-Fade was looking in to it, but I guess there are more urgent stuff to sort16:36
DocScrutinizerto make things worse the same fsckng bug #10987 shows up on several new pages now that *# gone to stable16:36
povbotBug  * <foo> rendering issue16:36
RST38hPeople are not stupid, no matter how much you bullshit them about "thorough testing that goes into Extras", they still figure it out that all the useful stuff is in -Testing/-Devel16:37
* RST38h pulls up a respirator and goes outside to get some food16:37
redsta111after that when I tried to turn it on agian.with white screen it says nokia-dual boot...........and in the middle it says press anykey to select with 30sec time out16:37
* DocScrutinizer grins on "talking out the battery" :->16:37
DocScrutinizerredsta111: seems dual boot messed up your root system. Probably you need to reflash rootfs (aka COMBINED)16:39
redsta111but when it comes to 8sec it just turns off by it self again and again16:40
redsta111but is there anyway to back my photos and music?16:40
DocScrutinizerwon't get hurt16:40
DocScrutinizerthey live on eMMC16:40
DocScrutinizeraka VANILLA16:40
DocScrutinizerdo NOT flash eMMC, just flash rootfs16:41
redsta111oh u mean by only flashing the emmc or VANILLA?16:41
TermanaFlash the COMBINED (rootfs) image16:41
DocScrutinizerdo NOT flash eMMC, just flash rootfs16:42
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redsta111u mean by only flashing with firmware-image16:43
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Guest62226DocScrutinizer: oh, does that site list everything in extras?16:47
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LjL(i assume for meego there's even less software?)16:48
TermanaLjL, ... of course? MeeGo is still brewing16:49
TermanaOTOH, you have countless normal Linux apps, and you can probably chroot into Maemo and use Maemo apps in MeeGo16:49
LjLoh it needs chrooting? i thought it was just compatible with at least part of the maemo apps16:50
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DocScrutinizerguerby: which site?16:56
DocScrutinizererr, sorry guerby - ETAB, was meant to guest62...16:57
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DocScrutinizerLjL: maemo apps will need a recompile to work under meego aiui17:06
DocScrutinizerLjL: a chroot would enable running original maemo binaries17:06
pigeondoes anyone know if you could get ovi map to show street names in a different language?17:09
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crashanddiepigeon: I'd be surprised17:11
crashanddiepigeon: street names usually only have one language17:11
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crashanddieexcept for dual-language areas, but then again, that's quite specific17:11
pigeonlike, for japan, or china, it's more useful to be in japanese/chinese, rather than the english translation.17:12
pigeoni used the ovi suite to pre-download maps, and i actually found it downloaded japanese and chinese ttf into the cities directory.17:12
crashanddiewell, internationally-speaking: addresses should always be written in the country's language17:13
pigeonovi maps seems to just show the english translation street names17:13
crashanddieso yes, you are correct, china's addresses should be in mandarin (or whatever the official language is for china) or kanji17:14
DocScrutinizercrashanddie: Taipei streetnames have 2 lang17:14
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crashanddieDocScrutinizer: here in French Catalunya streets have two names as well, the French, and the Catalan name.17:14
DocScrutinizersame in spain I guess, for katalan17:15
pigeonso, i guess ovi maps can't do it, or at least the version on the n900 can't.17:15
crashanddiepigeon: that would be my guess, too.17:15
crashanddieis ovi maps usable for any routing, btw?17:15
DocScrutinizerpigeon: set general language to kanji and maybe ovi streetmaps change17:16
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pigeoni tried changing my n900 language/locale to taiwan/chinese, but didn't help the map street names.17:16
DocScrutinizerhmm :-S17:16
pigeoncrashanddie: it worked, but i wouldn't say it's great.17:17
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pigeonmappero does voice, which has the advantage for driving.17:17
DocScrutinizergenerally spoken routing yes, guiding no17:17
DocScrutinizerpigeon: I'd be surprised if changing LOCALE of a western maemo to Chinese did work at all17:20
DocScrutinizermaybe switches *some* labels, but for sure not the general way of device operation17:21
pigeonwell i installed the chinese package, i've generated the locales myself before too, n900 ui wise is fine, but ovi maps street names are still english for taiwan, for example.17:22
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DocScrutinizermhm, ovi maps is kinda off board app17:22
pigeoni do have a chinese (hk) version of an n900 here too, i could try to load ovi maps on it and see.17:22
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DocScrutinizerit won't simply change by switching to Chinese I guess17:22
pigeonmy own n900 is the us version, i bought another n900 for someone which is a hk version.17:23
DocScrutinizerprobably OVI maps simply doesn't support that17:23
DocScrutinizertbh I'd expect you are more lucky with katalan than with chinese ;-)17:24
DocScrutinizerfor maps17:24
pigeonperhaps i could do another test, i will install the ovi suite and select chinese version, and see if that changes anything.17:24
* DocScrutinizer nods17:24
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corecodehow long does it take to charge full speed when the battery is completely dead?17:30
DocScrutinizermaybe 417:31
jacekowskii've started ovi suite trying to get some maps onto my phone17:32
jacekowskiand well it's just not doing anything17:32
jacekowskiplease wait while retrieving the avaliable maps ........17:32
DocScrutinizerovi suite just gives me "no ELF" :-P17:32
RST38hforget ovi suite17:32
RST38hcopy maps directly17:32
RST38hovi suite is satan's spawn17:33
RST38ha moment17:33
jacekowskiwhere do you get map files from?17:33
pigeoni did the direct copy method too, but now i realized using ovi suite is actually different.17:33
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pigeonfor direct download, i followed:
pigeonbut then, now i compared with maps downloaded using ovi suite, the files are not exactly the same.17:35
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DocScrutinizercorecode: if you have screen on and some power greedy things active, then maybe much longer even than 4h, maybe forever17:35
jacekowskibtw. search is not working with downloaded maps as well?17:36
RST38h...automatically adjust parking rates based on supply and demand, which means you could pay anywhere from $0.25 to $6.00 an hour depending on how many free spaces there are...17:36
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corecodeDocScrutinizer: i mean battery so dead that it doesn't start17:37
RST38hWeird. Why not just raise the price to $6/hr? They will make more money this way.17:37
jacekowskicorecode: then it will go into emergency charge mode17:37
corecodeyes, that's what i mean17:37
corecodehow long will it take until i can boot it?17:37
DocScrutinizercorecode: see...17:37
jacekowskicorecode: and if it's so dead that it will not go into emergency charge mode then it's impossible to charge it17:37
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pigeonjacekowski: ovi map's search seems to need a net connection, don't ask me why though...17:38
corecodeit is still blinking17:38
jacekowskiwell it doesn't work with net connection17:38
corecodebut for quite some time now17:38
jacekowskicorecode: it's charging then17:38
infobotRemove battery for 1 minute. Insert battery. Plug powered Nokia wallcharger to device. Watch steady amber. Let sit and charge. Do NOT try to boot. After 30 min, you got either a) a booted up N900, b) flashing amber which means you can boot, c) steady amber going off - in this case start over again with ~flatbatrecover17:38
corecodewhy the remove?17:39
* DocScrutinizer sighs17:39
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corecodewell i have a blinking amber17:40
DocScrutinizerneeded to reset... things17:40
corecodeit booted17:40
jacekowskithen leave it17:40
DocScrutinizerlock screen, and wait til green17:40
DocScrutinizerif you got any problems with charging before17:41
corecodeonly with bad cables17:41
DocScrutinizeralso *always* use Nokia wallcharger if any problems with charging17:42
corecodeyea, don't have it right now with me17:42
DocScrutinizerso what U r using then?17:43
corecodea usb charger bought in a grocery store17:43
DocScrutinizer3rd party wallwart charger? or PC? which OS on PC?17:43
corecodesays 1000mA17:43
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DocScrutinizercorecode: odds are it charges at 100mA only, due to missing D+- short17:44
DocScrutinizeralso iirc you should use at least a 1200mA charger with N90017:44
DocScrutinizercorecode: N900 most probably will DIScharge when connected to charger without D+- short signalling17:45
corecodeno, it works17:45
corecodei was using it17:45
corecodewhich file could i check for the charging current?17:46
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corecodesome in /sys or /proc17:46
DocScrutinizerof ShadowJK17:46
DocScrutinizerthere are some sysnodes to query about charger detect, but I don't know off top of my head17:47
DocScrutinizerbq27200 will tell you *true* current of battery17:48
DocScrutinizerwhile the sysnodes only get you notion of kernel about current situation about connected charger17:48
corecodetrying to find the script17:49
DocScrutinizercorecode: sorry dude, I know that's not exactly helping right now, in your situation17:50
corecodenp, i got it to boot17:50
corecodeand it is charging slowly17:50
corecodeso where is that .sh file?17:51
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DocScrutinizerjr@halley:~> lshal|grep battery.vol17:52
DocScrutinizer  battery.voltage.current = 12284  (0x2ffc)  (int)17:52
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DocScrutinizer = 11100  (0x2b5c)  (int)17:53
DocScrutinizer  battery.voltage.unit = 'mV'  (string)17:53
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DocScrutinizerNokia-N900-42-11:~# lshal|grep battery.vol17:54
DocScrutinizer  battery.voltage.current = 3920  (0xf50)  (int)17:54
DocScrutinizer = 4200  (0x1068)  (int)17:54
DocScrutinizer  battery.voltage.unit = 'mV'  (string)17:54
corecodeheh what was that?17:54
ShadowJKhal-device bme | grep positive17:54
DocScrutinizercorecode: good start to check that value (voltage.current) ans see if it rises17:54
corecodeit says charge charge_level.current = 817:54
corecodeis that mA?17:54
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SpeedEvilit's the 'bars'17:55
SpeedEvil8 is fully charged IIRC17:55
DocScrutinizer  battery.charge_level.unit = 'bars'  (string)17:55
ShadowJKthe level doesn't update while charging17:55
DocScrutinizervoltage does though iirc17:55
ShadowJKcorecode, comfortable with rootsh?17:55
corecodeah, it says 85%17:56
DocScrutinizersometimes at least17:57
SpeedEvilThe battery voltage from hal is accurate.17:57
DocScrutinizerbat voltage current is best value you can get17:57
SpeedEvilI'm unsure any parameter else is actually useful.17:57
ShadowJKcorecode, sudo gainroot, su -, wget , tar -xf bq.tar, ./ 517:58
RST38hHehe, Texrat got really angry now =)17:58
corecodeyea for some reason i don't have wget17:58
corecodehow is that possible17:58
ShadowJKThe hal stuff is "lazily" updated. It's mostly only updated when battery icon becomes visible17:58
DocScrutinizerapt-get install wget17:59
DocScrutinizerShadowJK: I'd doubt we want to RE such crap ;-P17:59
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DocScrutinizereverything done from scratch for jrbme / hal-addon-jrbme could only be better18:00
corecodeso i should mod the charger to short d+ and d-?18:02
ShadowJKcorecode, does it say 500mA in the mA column?18:03
corecode505, 496 etc18:03
DocScrutinizerRST38h: fair enough18:03
ShadowJKWhat's in the volt column?18:03
ShadowJKsorry, mv column18:03
DocScrutinizerTTF col?18:03
corecode4114, 412218:03
DocScrutinizeryour charger is fine18:03
DocScrutinizeryour bat is almost full18:03
corecodebut if it cal already do 1A, why not hack it so that it also does use 1A?18:04
DocScrutinizerTTF gives you a coarse idea about ETA to 100%18:04
RST38hDoc: I wonder if he starts changing people's comments again18:04
ShadowJKthe RSOC/CSOC columns are probably 80 or 90 something?18:04
corecodei need to check why the other cables don't work18:04
corecode64 both18:05
ShadowJKcorecode: Oh basically the battery when approaching full can't accept full 1000mAh charge18:05
DocScrutinizercorecode: the 500 are as much as battery cell actually likes to take in that situation18:05
DocScrutinizerthe charger however is delivering 500 + <system consumption: ~200..400>18:06
ShadowJKThis has the side-effect that first 50% are pretty fast18:06
ShadowJKand the last 10% takes a long time :)18:06
DocScrutinizerwell actually *Vbat/5V18:06
DocScrutinizer4150 and above can be considered "full" cell18:07
ShadowJKcorecode, hey, can you run just './' and pastebin me the output?18:07
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DocScrutinizerone line, paste here18:07
ShadowJKI actually wanted the "dump" format that also has some eeprom data :)18:08
DocScrutinizeryou expect any news on that?18:08
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ShadowJKI'm just collecting samples :)18:09
DocScrutinizeryou never can have too much samples18:09
DocScrutinizerbets on "cycles since last learning" ?18:10
DocScrutinizermy bet: 018:10
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SpeedEvil ShadowJK18:12
DocScrutinizercharging finished18:12
DocScrutinizercorecode: he was interested n full output of a call to shellscript without trailing 5 ;-)18:14
corecodeis that different18:14
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DocScrutinizerShadowJK: you should augment that script to print out actual RS value18:14
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corecodefine there you go18:15
DocScrutinizerCycle Count since Learning: 58  -- ouch I've been way off with my '0'18:16
SpeedEvilIf you don't screw with it  and don't hit wierd usecases, I suspect most peoples bats will never learn.18:17
corecode1510mAh, is that good?18:17
MohammadAGooh, jrbme?18:17
SpeedEvilcorecode: 1510 is completley made up.18:17
SpeedEvilcorecode: it's the initially set capacity18:17
corecodeso it does not measure the capacity18:17
nox-Learning hmm...  does that mean one should run the battery flat at least once so it knows more about it?18:17
DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: actually last measured discharge18:18
DocScrutinizeron a RS I think is wrong18:19
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DocScrutinizernox-: exactly18:19
ShadowJKcorecode, thanks18:19
SpeedEvilDocScrutinizer: I mean LMD does not differ from ILMD if you only have cycles that disqualify.18:20
nox-and if you have to take the battery out because it crashed, will it forget what it has learned?18:21
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DocScrutinizernox-: after all you could have swapped for a different battery18:22
nox-yeah thats why i asked18:22
SpeedEvilIf you take the battery out, it will forget cycles too though18:22
DocScrutinizerthis chip isn't designed for mounting to device, it's supposed to live inside battery18:22
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DocScrutinizerso the way it's used here yields sub par performance/experience18:23
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SpeedEvilThe way it's used in the phone is somewhat irrelevant.18:24
SpeedEvilIn that the exact way it's configured - it could give 100% accurate battery life18:24
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ShadowJK1510 is ILMD-ILMD/8, once or twice..18:25
SpeedEvilsimply by BME noting down the real capacity at every end of charge.18:25
DocScrutinizerjust after learning cycle18:25
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SpeedEvilEven if the battery chip doesn't 'really' learn.18:25
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SpeedEvilThis would have some advantage - for example - it means that it can keep track of different battery capacities in software18:25
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DocScrutinizerwhat I bet it tries somehow (bme) - look at jacekowski find about bme writing(!) to cal18:26
DocScrutinizerImean how odd is THAT? writing data to cal about a device basically *attached* to N90018:27
DocScrutinizerto CAL(!)18:29
nox-whats cal?18:29
corecodeSpeedEvil: i took out the battery to replace the SIM card18:30
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corecodeSpeedEvil: and the cycles didn't reset18:30
SpeedEvilyeah - I said if it reset18:30
SpeedEvilI don't think it resets immediately in all circumstances.18:30
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SpeedEvilPossibly if plugged into USB vbat will stay >2.5 - I'm unsure18:31
DocScrutinizercorecode: takes a while until it actually resets when bat out. There are bufer caps18:31
DocScrutinizerif still plugged to USB it'll never reset on bat removal18:32
DocScrutinizerI think :-)18:32
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corecodeyea, i lost the time a couple of times18:33
nox-what what does image-viewer do?  it seems to more or less constantaly eat cpu here...18:33
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DocScrutinizeronly as long as it takes to run a 'grep -r somecrappattern /'18:34
DocScrutinizeractually 'grep -r somecrappattern ~user/MyDocs'18:34
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DocScrutinizer + /media/card18:35
nox-you mean image-viewer?18:35
DocScrutinizerI really mean trackerd18:36
DocScrutinizerwhich aiui is triggered by image-viewer18:36
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nox-well trackerd i no longer see running18:36
DocScrutinizerhtop will tell ;-)18:37
DocScrutinizerbut maybe image-viewer is busy as well, to animate all the animated gifs you got on your device - who knows... X-P18:37
nox-haha no18:38
SpeedEvilIf it is not idle, hen it should be, enter a bug in the bugtracker.18:38
nox-hm right now trackerd i see too in htop18:39
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nox-`normal' top only showed image-viewer18:39
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nox-or did the apt-get installl htop trigger trackerd?18:39
DocScrutinizermaybe, but first check sort field of top18:40
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nox-i think it sorts by %cpu18:40
DocScrutinizermight not show trackerd (I have to confess I never got it how to display more than the first page of processes, in top)18:40
nox-well now its back to image-viewer at top18:41
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DocScrutinizer[2010-08-07 17:38:29] <SpeedEvil> If it is not idle,... bugtracker18:42
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nox-how do you take a scrrenshot?  (of xterm in this case)18:45
nox-screenshot even18:45
fralsctrl shift p18:45
nox-and where does the file go?18:46
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DocScrutinizersudo go buy food for me18:46
fralsMyDocs somewhere, images or something similar18:46
DocScrutinizersomewhere in MyDocs/.*/screenshots afaik18:46
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nox-ah found it, thx18:47
DocScrutinizermeh, garbage BGA chips on random places here... XD18:48
* DocScrutinizer waves18:48
DocScrutinizersomebody needs a K4M511633C? (me throwing the critter into bin)18:49
FIQnever heard about. :d18:50
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nox-this image-viewer seems to have run for total of 58h!?18:54
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nox-oh and has anyone here used fbreader?  am i right it has no keyboard control on n900?18:54
lcukit used to have kb control on 8x0 and I doubt they would have removed it18:56
nox-hm where?18:56
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nox-click at the top?  preferences in there has nothing about kbd...18:58
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lcuknox-, on the options dialog there is a keys tab19:00
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nox-where is the options dialog?  the one you get by clicking at `fbreader' at the top?19:00
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b-mantaking screenshots the hardcore way:19:01
b-mancp /dev/fb0 screenshot.raw && ffmpeg -vcodec rawvideo -f rawvideo -pix_fmt rgb565 -s 800x480 -i screenshot.raw -f image2 -vcodec png screenshot.png19:01
lcukb-man, actually more useful than you think19:01
lcukcan take screenshots from ssh console on big computer easier!19:01
lcukbut it needs to format the filename correctly to include datestamp19:02
lcukor dupes occur19:02
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lcuknox-, click on one of the tab headers in the fbreader->preferences dialog19:03
lcukand use arrow keys on keyboard to move right19:03
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lcuktheres more tabs on the dialog than you see initially19:03
lcukits very intuitive like that19:03
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nox-aah :)19:04
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nox-thats better :)19:08
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nox-thx lcuk :)19:17
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lcukyw \o19:17
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fralsi love how ppl are posting "omg mms sucks use email" in fmms thread19:30
korhojoahow supportive19:30
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spinningcompassHas anyone in here successfully compiled PyPy to run on a Nokia N810?19:33
lcukfrals, computer folks do, but having mms is something for those times when email just won't do19:34
lcukwe know this already though :D19:34
spinningcompassIt won't compile on Scratchbox2+QEMU because it keeps segfaulting (sig11). It won't compile on the PDA because the PDA has too little RAM. I'm thinking of NFS-mounting my laptop to the PDA & then mounting a volume from the laptop onto the PDA as virtual RAM. :-/19:34
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fralslcuk: yeah, its pretty obvious but still people feel they need to state this *shrug*19:36
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tT4mHVxjHvP5UJI enjoy black butts, butts in my face, butts which haven't been wiped, black dongs in my rectum, big sweaty black balls in my mouth, thick black dongs slapped across my face. I enjoy pressing my face into asses and sniffing them. I can take 2 cocks in my asshole and 3 in my mouth. I lick cocks and butts. I shake my ass in front of people's face before they fuck it hard. I wear a cock ring and enjoy letting people chain me up a19:36
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tT4mHVxjHvP5UJthe only solution is to go up there with your katana and show them who wears the kimono in your dojo         iqD2XCpj19:37
fralsDocScrutinizer, Stskeeps, MohammadAG51, wtb kickban19:37
lcuktT4mHVxjHvP5UJ, you spent time typing that carefully and c&p and it STILL cropped and had typos?19:37
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mOzQHMYkoVDoes anyone remember that commercial on TV where the kids would drink Yoohoo or some other beverage out of one of those juice boxes with the red and white striped straw? They would get sucked into the box and have on giant party. I always thought that if I sucked hard enough I would get to go there and party.         yuGY04GBbfZ19:38
hYebkFEXDlisten you fucking shit skinned coon nigger jungle bunny spear chucker. Shut your chocolate tar baby hide before I whip your ass. go back to niggeria and prance around with all the Schvartza in the bush you fucking moolie nigger. ill fucking brand you toby, and if you try any of that KUNTA KINTA crap ill fucking execute you and feed you to pigs.         nmmxMOXz6WW55a19:38
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mOzQHMYkoVI'm usually at the club on Sunday night, and they will have Adult Swim playing on the TVs behind the bar. Having Boo-Boo Runs Wild on at the exact time every Sunday gives me a good visual clue that the night is starting to run its course, and that I should make it my last round so that I'll be sober enough to drive. (So I can get home and watch the night's lineup as I taped it.)         lcRPWBX6tsp19:38
hYebkFEXDIt appears as though Robert Hanssen, the American FBI agent accused of selling American secrets to the Russians, was a registered Linux user!!! This is further evidence, as if any more was needed, that Linux and communism are inseperable, and that anyone using Linux is supporting the communist murder of millions!         NGNMCf2F19:38
mOzQHMYkoVWhile many parents are digging deep and forgoing luxuries in order to buy their children the newest videogame console, I've decided to build my own interactive entertainment device for my children. It's a desk with a copy of the holy bible on it. I call it the "Praystation 3"         qShqY19:38
lcuki get the feeling this is a concerted attack19:38
JVswymQWlVWF8fgo back to tabulating your ultimate apple dream machine on then playing snes all night         SQAu90akbuZBOo19:38
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hYebkFEXDdude...listen...pretty much evry one hate him and microsoft, sure he's given us some computer crap who cares, its all crap, i hate windows so much, its the crapyest piece of shit ever, i want linux!         vHAVmzp19:39
JVswymQWlVWF8fIf Microsoft gets rid of that millions lines of spaghetti code in Windows XP (expect the same in Longhorn 2006 & Blackcomb 2112) and comes up with a brand new efficient system that equals the Apple, Apple can finally be laid to rest. After all Microsoft is the standard, like the Qwerty keyboard. You are going to have to live with Microsoft and those millions of lines of spaghetti code for some years to come.         LDaP1kF19:39
mOzQHMYkoVBefore I dropped out of college, I strove to be as different from everyone else as I could be, reading manga and blasting JPOP music in my car.         NgEtcLGh19:39
hYebkFEXDI eat exclusively from the following list of 12 foods: Almonds/nuts, Berries, Oats/whole grain cereal, vegetables (especially green leafy), Beans and Legumes, Nonfat Dairy products, Eggs, Lean Meats (especially turkey), peanut butter, olive oil, Whey protein, and Whole Grain Bread (which falls under oats/cereals). My colon is immaculate, and my bowel movements are enormous, dense, and dry as a biscuit.         wzJ93V0e19:39
JVswymQWlVWF8fgirl you must be the recently cancelled television show "enterprise" because no matter how many fat sweaty nerds profess their love for you, you are still just a piece of shit whore that no respectable man would allow himself to be seen in public with         glSV1aUe19:39
mOzQHMYkoVgirl you must be ghonorrea because you're totally eating my nuts         bdfkPb1uAD19:39
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JVswymQWlVWF8fI work at a University IT helpdesk, and after far too many malware problems from far too many dumb lusers (and many of them repeat visits), I've adopted a new policy.If a student or member of faculty comes in with malware problems for the first time, I fix it for them and I give them a Gentoo Linux install CD to go away with. If they come back with viruses/spyware a second time, I tell the luser to stop bothering me, and that I19:39
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mOzQHMYkoVhey everyone remember that one time when klerck shot himself directly in the face with a shotgun and killed himself and we all were like "whoa" and he was like "drip drip"... that shit was awesome         TZ1ns76XrWTX519:39
JVswymQWlVWF8fThe relationship between gamer and game is much unlike the relationship between needle and record-groove (that is to say, the needle loves the record groove and vice-versa, so says Tamio Okuda); the game has to love the player even when the player hates the game.         7Db9VJBvvl19:39
mOzQHMYkoVi need dank nugs, smoke roach bugs, bird-man lugs, tree smokin thugs, i'm on a mission to secure a blunt, don't be pullin no bogartin' stunt, hoardin that shit ain't really kind, absorb that herb into yo mind, smokin' and tokin' until you're blind, what out for 5-0 or you gonna get fined         jj61UwpfSBsoZ19:39
m5AhrRnKhmI got a 5+ on all 23 of my AP tests, a 2400 on the SAT, a 1337 on the ACT, but it's not a big deal since I have a 270 IQ. I was drunk, high, and getting a blowjob during every test, and I didn't study for any of them or sleep in the prior weeks.         aRB6D19:39
JVswymQWlVWF8fI'm going to be taking a long vacation in a couple months and I want to take a sheet of acid over with me. I'd really rather not bring it with me on the plane as I've seen the security measures at the airport I'll be flying to and they're pretty strict, so I was thinking of faxing it over before hand. Anyone know if this would work?         flQ3Fcz19:39
m5AhrRnKhmthere is no such thing as hardcore gaming, anymore then there is anything extreme about mountain dew livewire         v41Gbv19:39
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bcpuWyhSmGMtThe Flu Fuck: blow that snot into your hand. wipe it on your tongue oh man. crunchy crunch, the boogers go. Gulp! you swallow. Down they go. Uh-uh-uh here comes sneeze. Achoo! You're bent, hands on your knees. A prodding's felt, betwixt your cheeks. What the heck? It's a linux geek With cock unfurl'd, he rips your pants. Nothing can stop this fag's advance. In it goes, his cock doth plunge. Your memory will never ever expunge: th19:39
m5AhrRnKhmHonestly, I'd like to hear some commentary from someone who hasn't been caught trying to suck their own dick.         38GpR19:39
JVswymQWlVWF8fFace it, you just want an ipod so you can hack the firmware to make it vibrate then stick the smooth case up your ass you big FAG!!!         ArW98DwVRBYLUT19:39
bcpuWyhSmGMtThere is no doubt that white boys do play video games well. Having been run off the football field, basketball court, and track by more athletic black boys, white boys retreat to their computers and video games. Unfortunately, this only makes their unathletic bodies weaker, thus seriously harming their concept of masculinity and making them social outcasts with females.         PvA2uO19:39
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m5AhrRnKhmGuys, what I don't get about plane crashes and falling elevator deaths is: why don't the victims just time it so that they jump straight up in the air right before the plane hits the ground? The jump would be a little high, yes, and you might break your ankle or even your leg, but isn't that better than getting smashed to smithereens?         leEMWg19:39
JVswymQWlVWF8fGo back to listening to your "Rich Dad, Poor Dad" book-on-tape in your 1989 Honda Accord on your 25 minute commute to your dead end job.         gPLzLLD19:39
THBBMYou should connect your graphics card directly to the mains. You can buy molex connectors from any good electronics store and then splice it into the lead from a hair dryer or toaster. This should deliver the correct voltage direct to your graphics card (the molex also functions as a voltage regulator and AC rectifier). It's the equivalent of having an Antex 3kW power supply.         K2v9PFQOl19:39
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HNNVy2cMEQTZIf there is one thing that OSS has shown, it is that full time software teams do not produce better quality products than the amateurs (example: Linux v. windows)         NGRd4r1tn19:40
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HNNVy2cMEQTZOk Im New To This I Posted One Picture Of Me On My Website And Now Im Trying To Post Another But All I Do Stay In The Log AndIt Says Uploading Picute May Take A Few Seconds Then I Check My Site And Nothing No Posts Or Anything Someone Please Help         EqTMjSy19:41
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cOiwjB60PBzI'm going to be taking a long vacation in a couple months and I want to take a sheet of acid over with me. I'd really rather not bring it with me on the plane as I've seen the security measures at the airport I'll be flying to and they're pretty strict, so I was thinking of faxing it over before hand. Anyone know if this would work?         RU2nQvqxbtlFVE19:41
CrHZdfPGimp is perfectly usable. I know. I use it to add a mosaic over the faces of my many preteen rape victims.         thlECr4m6g19:41
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cOiwjB60PBzAnyone think jews are really hot? Especially rabbis! Those greasy curls send me wild.Sadly there's no jews in my region of the desert, so camels have to do.         g6sLsYmpBs8Lu19:41
uVRbwDon't obscure the topic at hand with "facts". History has always been made through quick, instinctual choices. Intellect is nothing but a distraction when it comes to life shattering situations. Look at how it has defined our history. Do you think I am about to turn away from the legacy of generations before me? Alternative methods take longer, and never completely solve the problem. It is easier for the mass populace to attack a probl19:41
CrHZdfPIt is indeed a cruel twist of nature that the most wonderful sex coupling in the world ?is illegal - made so by puritanical Adults determined to limit child rights.         KSkDguzCXtC19:41
fralsasked in freenode chan for an oper to come help19:41
uVRbwDr. Huxtable broke into the clinic and held me at gunpoint. I was his patient, in for my yearly pap smear. I couldn't believe it when he came in the door for the exam with a machete in his hands. He demanded that I take off my clothes, and begin to fellate him. He waved the machete around like a madman, so i complied. I was forced, at knife point, to take his entire penis into my mouth. Then I rubbed my clit and got off ohh yeah19:41
uVRbwsince blacks have bigger wangs... do black chicks have bigger holes?         ieXJ81jT819:41
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fralsfuckin hell19:42
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mikki-kunwhoah... uhm, what the heck was that?! Ö.ö19:42
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mikki-kunthanks DocScrutinizer for killing them ^^19:42
lcuk++ DocScrutinizer ta dude19:43
punchwhat is maemo? i saw  you post in freeode, so i came here ( nothing bettwr to do)19:43
DocScrutinizerwe're not thru yet with it, I fear19:43
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mikki-kunsometimes i wish "SoIP" (Stab over IP) would be finally implemented into the internet protocols...19:43
lcukpunch, #maemo is the home of hackers and freespirits mucking around with Nokia N series linux devices N8x0 N900 etc)19:43
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mikki-kunlcuk: don't forget n770 ;)19:44
lcukNokia 770 you mean19:44
punchoh ok :)19:44
mikki-kunoh, it isn't an N-device? :o19:44
lcukpredates N series I believe19:44
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mikki-kun^^ maemo is older than N XD19:44
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DocScrutinizershould we try join throttle for #maemo?19:45
mikki-kunhm, is mencoder part of the mplayer-package?19:45
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lcukor is that per user?19:45
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lcukDocScrutinizer, they came from different ips19:46
punchafter googling, um, the iphone so ripped off this  nokia (well, sorta)19:46
DocScrutinizernope that's <x/second for chan19:46
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lcukpunch, for the longest time the maemo devices were not phones19:46
mikki-kunpunch: hm, in which way "ripped off"?19:46
punchmikki-kun: tiny little net device...lol19:46
spinningcompassHas anyone here successfully compiled PyPy for Maemo 4?19:46
punchw/ a toucscree19:46
nox-ifoo seems to have security issues, pdf reader running as root...19:47
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BzKSypV5aqA7cOWell, what else is open? Besides your mouth...when you're like kissing on some gay dude and like holding his muscles, cuz his arms just are like wrapped around you...and you feel like so safe cuz you're like, you know, not like you're gay or nothin' but God you just want to like bury yourself in his chest and just live there forever.         M5PSFTKrZquw219:48
ZrmfMtEDaMpoI thought gmail was, like, gangsta mail. I signed up expecting to get g'd up with bitches, gangstas and guns but it's just an email service.         WMWPkFG19:48
ZrmfMtEDaMpothere is a gay guy in my office, and he referred to hemmrhoids as speedbumps         dUrqs3CMuVj819:48
fralsDocScrutinizer, again ;-)19:48
BzKSypV5aqA7cOSome say that I am the king of trolls. Of course, this is ridiculous because trolls have no king and accept no authority.         zqNCGGBOEBa1XO19:49
ZrmfMtEDaMpoI've gone and done it again. After shitting on the toilet seat I took a dab of crap and worked it into my hair. Now my bald spot is a uniform brown along with the rest of my hair. I mussed up my hair enough for it to look plausible. I'm back in the conference room now and no one is willing to meet my gaze. I have to clench my stomach to keep from vomiting. My penis throbs with an intense erection.         Bxk6A1fyKcLyg619:49
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BzKSypV5aqA7cOPlease help me before I fry in the pits of hell. I masterbate several times a day. My parents bought me the anti-erection ring and I deal with the pain just to have that orgasm. I want to be castrated but my parents tell me I am to old. They say that at 14 years old i will not be able to handle being castrated. But they are wrong.         FNPLMAhdnAz19:49
ZrmfMtEDaMpowhy dont you install a real OS and make some room in your head using the space you have to devote to remembering the 100000 ways to parse a text file in linux (with zero ways to get any actual work done)         MijZyblh19:49
BzKSypV5aqA7cOone time i killed this hippie and scraped the resin off his lungs and i died of a weed overdose         7pzSRSnCXcCV19:49
ZrmfMtEDaMpoWatermelon represents the ripe breasts of white women which the negro wishes to rape, while the green color represents the money he wishes to steal. The dark bands on the melon represent the bars of a jail cell, the negro's ultimate destination.         llfnt5Uyk219:49
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ZrmfMtEDaMpoLinux is illegal! You are breaking the law, and hurting yourself and your family with your ILLEGAL SOFTWARE. Your ip has been noted and is being forwarded to the SPA with a reccomendation that they investigate your CRIMINAL ACTIVITY. Please destroy all your unpatriotic linux software before you are arrested!         4kzE61Nv2im19:49
lcukconcerted efforts underway19:49
ZrmfMtEDaMpoOnce, when i was changing my little brother's diaper, i jacked him off. I don't know what drove me to do it, but I did. now i can't stop thinking about his little penis. I think i want him to grow up and fuck me.         FLxTEGW19:49
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mikki-kuni think it's the best to just leave that ban for web.freenode active for at least a day...19:50
lcuk:S :(19:50
uG5RUXiKcdi just took a shit and my toilet didn't really flush, i got pretty frustrated and now im going to masturbate to internet porn galleries. Good day to you.         FgAwwi4QQzx19:50
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lcukill just leave, bbl19:50
uG5RUXiKcdhi my names jimmy and im 13 and the other day i was playing with myself while watching showcase and i realised i couldnt quite reach my fireman with my mouth. so what i did was i took a small straw and shoved it down my urethra. and i started to blow really hard.. now i have a small bubble like figure on the side of my fireman.. could this be from blowing into the straw???         YFDS6E8Ww19:50
uG5RUXiKcdMMMM........mmmm i'm abit confusing right now......why will they eat their own poo-poo where it smell so terrible? Actually, mushu is very good in her toilet training. She'll only pee & poo on the newspaper i prepared for her. But she eats it when i'm away! After i beat her twice, she seems to bark at the poo first before she goes near it. Then she'll smell it & play with it. Then she'll put everything into her mouth!!!!! Yucks!!!19:50
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h3DKSxenvlisten you fucking shit skinned coon nigger jungle bunny spear chucker. Shut your chocolate tar baby hide before I whip your ass. go back to niggeria and prance around with all the Schvartza in the bush you fucking moolie nigger. ill fucking brand you toby, and if you try any of that KUNTA KINTA crap ill fucking execute you and feed you to pigs.         tglyLEQlx419:50
uG5RUXiKcdComputers affect almost every aspect of our lives, from driving to alarm clocks to music to refridgerators to our leisure time to our social lives to ad nauseum. These things are intertwined with our lives in ways that are often unnoticed, yet they affect us directly - so directly that I think that when we are talking about the latest Mac product, we're not talking about a "product" but about a way of life.         Uhe4ff19:50
uG5RUXiKcdA note to the idiot who keeps sending me anonymous emails claiming to have "f*cked" my mother: 1) Do you really think i don't have your IP address and have a relatively good idea of who you are? 2) Do you really think I care about your weird sexual fantasies? 3) Have you even SEEN my mother? HAHAHA 4) Keep it up. The messages are being logged, stored and passed on to the relevant authorities and, of course, your ISP... 5) I know wh19:50
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rVX2wtThank you for giving me a glimpse into the wonderfully vivid and imaginative world that you occupy. I say the least. Words can not express my gratitude that you would grant upon us put a peephole into the glorious universe that you are so priviledged to occupy from 9-5 every single weekday. I am envious but I know it is because God has favored you above are TRULY worthy.         69UVcpeP8Uxfj19:51
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nfTcZvquiyou don't understand,you don't realise that the internet is a form of communicating and it's just as serious as talking in person or on a phone. Stop with the bullshit.         eummhUbUwi19:51
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nfTcZvquirandomd's songs: Niggers Niggers, our dark skinned friends. If they're not out working, they'll rape your girlfriend! For jail's their domain, they're society's bane-- Let's hear it for our friend the Nigger! Linux, linux, it's free as in beer. But if you installed it, you're a goddamn queer! To clear up your pimples, the solutions quite simple-- Just take a bath and use a face wash! Jews, jews, their noses are long. They've got t19:51
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vvqQkIf your daughter listens to hip hop music, you should caution her against taking MDMA, commonly known as ecstasy if she plans to go to hip hop concerts or hip hop clubs. As everyone knows, when you add E to rap, you get RAPE.         nRLJ26aZbhOTh519:51
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svuorelakloeri: ping!19:52
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xDaReaperxi'm having problems connecting to wifi19:53
mikki-kunbtw, where does the "q" derive from?19:53
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fralsquiet? ;D19:53
xDaReaperxit says cannot receive ip from server19:53
xDaReaperxon the n90019:53
xDaReaperxi've tried all types of security , even withouth security but it wont connect to wifi on my router19:54
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korhojoawhat the hell is going on :D19:55
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xDaReaperxi'm on 802.11B/G network19:56
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mikki-kunhm, maybe your IP-address pool is out of IP-addresses19:57
mikki-kunand what about mac-filtering? enabled?19:57
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xDaReaperxmac filering is enabled i think19:57
xDaReaperxi added my mobiles Wifi mac address to it also19:57
xDaReaperxbut it still wont work19:57
xDaReaperxi white listed my N900's WiFi mac address19:58
mikki-kunhm, you're sure you didn't accidently take the bluetooth's mac?19:58
xDaReaperxno i didn't19:58
xDaReaperxi'm sure19:58
mikki-kunit happened to me that i kinda mixed up bt and wifi ^^'19:59
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xDaReaperxi checked it 3-4 times now19:59
xDaReaperxits correct19:59
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mikki-kunhm... ok... and even without any kind of password it didn't work?19:59
xDaReaperxyes it dosent20:00
DocScrutinizerGAN900: ping?20:00
xDaReaperxwithout setting encryption for WiFi , it says : Network error20:00
xDaReaperxor else it says Cannot recieve IP address from server with password20:00
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG51: ping20:00
DocScrutinizerlcukn900: +o?20:01
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fOiH2qUyou don't understand,you don't realise that the internet is a form of communicating and it's just as serious as talking in person or on a phone. Stop with the bullshit.         fqml2puxc20:01
DocScrutinizermeh, dinner. ping me frequently if shit hits the fan20:01
fOiH2qUDid you know? Timothy McVeigh conspired with Terry Nichols to destroy the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building by exchanging messages using the popular "Bit Torrent" internet program, which quickly and anonymously allows users to exchange large volumes of confidential documents.         5nToqmh81hd20:01
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fOiH2qUI have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom I provide, then questions the manner in which I provide it.         OTuHYQulyW20:01
U4QxsGbLg0p3I bet you think you're actually amusing. You were giggling to yourself as you typed that line out, and are eagerly staring at your screen hoping that someone will give you a zany quip in reply. Go on, you can laugh. It's okay. Just remember that you're the only one who thought that comment was in any way entertaining.         gTFWbX9XR20:02
fOiH2qURory touched my virgin junk liberally. He strapped me into his Trans Am and told me we were taking a detour on the way back from the prom. I could not believe what the fuck was going on. He vomited red many times as he had been drinking heavily. I told him the athletic staff would not approve of the star quarterback falling asleep inside an underage girl. There it is. My dad found us at makeout ridge. I've got to go.         25wh0GRLH20:02
x7k2PDguys do you know when tupac is coming home? Im worried about him. He wears a bulletproof vest so he usually is safe. but i made supper for him and he hasnt come home yet! his potatoes and shake n baked chicken are starting to get cold!         gmFk84FciC20:02
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U4QxsGbLg0p3Nigerians make me so mad I wish someone would round them all up and send them to a country where people starve and get gunned down in the street         5NKBJ1yzk20:02
x7k2PDNigger? So you think you are superior not only because you're white! it's because you read! ha! I didn't know they were people like you in this website, and I hope you learn more about our people, because I'm very ofended now. Racism is illegal, you know? if they were enough technologies to know who is behind that "anonymus", no doubt you would be behind bars now! Please respect others, even if they don't like reading like you do.20:02
fralsDocScrutinizer, shit hit the fan :p20:02
x7k2PDI'm gambling that Apple is expecting to keep profit margins up by keeping return/repair rates extremely low by using quality components         XQ7vWfi71VmP20:02
x7k2PDDoesn't matter. Once the US housing bubble collapses there will be a total economic collapse. Companies like Netflix and Amazon will go bankrupt as Americans just try to save enough for food         Hpl8T20:02
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fralsjust leave the quiet on for a while20:02
xDaReaperxanyone gonna help me with my WiFi connection issue ?20:03
DocScrutinizerwonder what's wrong with the ~a20:03
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punchxDaReaperx: w hats  up  with  your  wifi20:04
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xDaReaperx>it says cannot receive ip from server20:05
xDaReaperxtried all securities , even without security password , added MAC filter to white list my WiFi Mac address for my N90020:05
xDaReaperxstill no idea20:05
mikki-kunxDaReaperx: i am a lil out of ideas tbh...20:05
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MiXu-xDaReaperx: Can you try another access point?20:06
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MiXu-I had a similar issue at home with a Nexus One, that crap of a phone.20:06
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MiXu-Gave up, since it wasn't mine anyway.20:07
xDaReaperxwell yeah  , i can connect to my old access point in another country , but i moved to another place now , so there's no other access points here ATM20:07
xDaReaperxthis issue was also happening with other WiFi20:07
GAN900DocScrutinizer, at work, can't play officer on watch. :P20:07
xDaReaperxeven when i first bought the phone20:07
DocScrutinizerGAN900: k20:07
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mikki-kunxDaReaperx: maybe your wifi could be in some way broken20:09
xDaReaperxdo you mean my Mobiles WiFi detector ?20:09
xDaReaperxor my WiFi modem ?20:09
mikki-kunthe n900's wifi20:09
DocScrutinizerany other volunteers? please /query me20:09
mikki-kunif you even had the issue before20:09
xDaReaperxdoes that ever happen ?20:09
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xDaReaperxif my N900's wifi was broken , how does it still detect WiFi points ?20:10
mikki-kunwell, sometimes a contact so isn't really working... once it happened that my wifi of my netbook turned itself off from the bios-level while i was just using it Ö.ö no idea why that happened20:10
MiXu-Haven't heard of it happening to anyone but anything is possible20:10
RST38hWTF with all these headhunters wanting to stay in touch via LinkedIn?20:10
xDaReaperxhmm ok20:11
mikki-kunmaybe search for some open hotspots20:11
MiXu-RST38h: Yeah, tell me about it :P20:11
xDaReaperxi have some way to prove my wifi is borken or not20:11
mikki-kunask some friends or comrades20:11
xDaReaperxi can create a hotspot using my laptop20:11
MiXu-You could also try reflashing if you don't want to take it straight to the service.20:11
xDaReaperxon Windows20:11
xDaReaperxusing broadband20:11
* DocScrutinizer headunters RST38h20:11
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RST38hMiXu: Are they any useful?20:11
MiXu-Yeah, try that.20:11
mikki-kunMiXu-: good idea, could help :)20:11
xDaReaperxlike a ad-hoc network20:12
* RST38h thanks for the op, may come handy one time or the other20:12
MiXu-RST38h: Haven't been in contact to any, since I'm not interested in changing jobs at the moment :)20:12
MiXu-Just started 3 months ago in my current one20:12
fralsim not getting headhunted on linkedin, bah! ;)20:12
RST38hMiXu: Well, I am always looking for better opportunities, but NYC financial district isn't my idea of a healthy workplace20:12
fralsotoh im v. happy where i am :p20:12
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MiXu-RST38h: hehe20:13
MiXu-Since I stated that I'm a MeeGo professional I've received a few emails from headhunters20:13
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RST38hAh, and a professional group invitation: This is a group dedicated to IBM APL2,COBOL,Cognos,FORTRAN,MAS,ADA,XL Series,Hour Glass,Rational HATS,Visual Age,Websphere,Rational Dashboard,Systems Tester,TTCN Suite, professionals globally.20:14
Stskeepsrational hats?20:14
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* RST38h unconsciously makes strangling gestures every time he hears of Rational20:14
MiXu-Irrational hats20:15
MiXu-Not my favorite either :)20:15
MiXu-The first two apps that come to mind when talking about IBM are Lotus Notes and Rational whatever. And I hate them both :)20:16
* RST38h has been spared from having to use Lotus Notes20:16
MiXu-I even had the misfortune of developing stuff on Notes.20:16
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DocScrutinizeranybody still alive?20:22
xDaReaperxi am20:23
Stskeepskill all humans20:23
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DocScrutinizerkill all bots20:23
DocScrutinizeresp spambots20:23
xDaReaperxwait by any ways how can your mobiles WiFi break ?20:24
hjacklol, comeon, you love them20:24
ScifiI want to show a message during package install. Is there any wiki/guide anywhere for that?20:24
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ScifiMixu: Was a Notes Developer myself :) Small world I guess20:25
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DocScrutinizerScifi: dbus notify20:26
ScifiI need OK or Done button20:26
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SpeedEvilScifi: zentiy20:27
DocScrutinizerdbus yesno?20:27
* RST38h wonders once again if he should take a look at the cell writer package20:27
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DocScrutinizerzenity no base pkg afaik20:28
xDaReaperxmikki-kun : tried the ad-hoc network without security , it works fine and my n900 connects to it and i can browse20:28
ScifiDocScrutinizer: I used Maemo style banners with dbus notify but not sure abt dialog box.20:28
ScifiSpeedEvil: Will check zenity20:28
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mikki-kunhm, then it is most probably a problem with your router i assume20:29
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JaffaAf'noon all20:30
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MiXu-Strongest beer in the world20:32
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MiXu-They only made like 20 of those20:33
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trumeeguys, how does N900 respond to dns request. My N900 over wifi is not resolving dns anymore20:35
trumeeThe /etc/resolv.conf contains Strangely, dns works in 3g20:35
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MiXu-have you changed the AP settings in N900?20:36
DocScrutinizertrumee: 127001 correct20:36
MiXu-There's a place for you to put in a DNS server address20:36
MiXu-If it's empty it uses whatever the router provides20:37
trumeeMiXu-: no i havent changed the AP settings20:37
MiXu-how about router settings?20:37
trumeeMiXu-: havent touched the router. and i have already powercycled the router20:38
MiXu-Double check those20:38
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trumeeMiXu-: N900 has Auto-retrieve DNS set20:38
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ShadowJKDocScrutinizer, done any more than one learning cycle on your phone?20:40
trumeei have changed the DNS to (google)20:40
trumeeand now ping hangs20:41
trumeeok, it gave bad address20:41
trumeeah, now it works20:43
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trumeesomehow the route -n had the wrong ip address20:43
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DocScrutinizertrumee: ??? :-o You're nuts20:46
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trumeeDocScrutinizer: why?20:46
DocScrutinizertrumee: google is storing ALL your moves in web then20:47
trumeeDocScrutinizer: well, it was a quick check. and now i am back to my isp dns20:47
lcukon jono bacons avatar looks like he is taking a dump20:48
lcukam i the only one to notice this?20:48
spinningcompasslcuk: Perhaps he segfaulted20:48
luke-jrtrumee: you want your ISP to track you?20:49
lcukDocScrutinizer, yes20:49
DocScrutinizerI got a prety good idea WHY you noticed that20:50
DocScrutinizerlcuk: is that pathological?20:50
trumeeluke-jr: so i shoud run my own dns server!!20:50
DocScrutinizerthat fixation on bacon I mean20:50
lcukDocScrutinizer, nahh coincidence20:50
lcukbut bacon does sound good, i might go and get some20:51
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lcukDocScrutinizer, you made lcukn900 an op o_O20:52
lcuki didn't even know it was in here20:52
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lcukwould be more sensible if required20:54
lcukseems to have quietened down though?20:54
DocScrutinizer+q did it, it seems - though no more chan joins even20:55
DocScrutinizermaybe those bots are so smart to detect +q?20:55
DocScrutinizerskiddies  bahhh!20:56
lcuknahh but their botmaster may well be idling20:56
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ScifiDocScrutinizer: I am going with Dbus Notification SystemNoteDialog to display the message. Doesn't look great but works.20:58
DocScrutinizerScifi: mhm :)20:59
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DocScrutinizeranybody with a more text oriented irc client could please check for me how many regular users from gateway/web (=cloak*) are in here?21:00
ScifiSpeedEvil: Don't want to install an extra package (zenity) for a one-time message. But it definitely is very useful21:00
lcukDocScrutinizer, how would it be checked?21:00
ScifiThanks everyone21:00
DocScrutinizerlist-users|grep gateway/web ?21:01
DocScrutinizerScifi: welcome21:01
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lcukDocScrutinizer, ok list-users? thats not a direct command is it - I have xchat so don't see stuff like that?21:01
mikki-kunDocScrutinizer so you want basically a userlist with all their IPs?21:02
DocScrutinizerI got xchat as well, but wouldn't see how to do it at all without xchat script21:02
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SpeedEvilScifi: fair enough - it's a teeny package - but...21:02
DocScrutinizermikki-kun: a simple number of users fine for now21:02
mikki-kunwell, i have a nicklist here... i could copy/paste it to pastebin21:03
DocScrutinizerfine with me21:03
DocScrutinizerif it has cloaks21:03
DocScrutinizeraka hostnames21:03
DocScrutinizeraka IP21:03
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mikki-kunhm, i'll look deeper into irssi to see whether it has that implemented with the command21:04
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DocScrutinizera shame Konversation doesn't support highlighting users in userlist by mask (=regex)21:06
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mikki-kuni think i can get a list... but i am not sure if that is really the correct way so please bear with me when something goes wrong ^^'''21:07
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DocScrutinizerno worries - lol21:07
DocScrutinizerwhat could go wrong after all?21:08
* SpeedEvil watches as freenode catches fire.21:08
mikki-kunok, i think i have a full list ^^ how should i send it?21:08
Poka64is it possible to fix the color issue in the x terminal on n900? I have to use a purple background right now if I want to be able to use irssi with theme I'm using..21:08
DocScrutinizerhanah montana xterm21:09
spinningcompassDocScrutinizer: Let me guess. Does Perez Hilton try to catch it with its private interface exposed?21:09
Poka64DocScrutinizer: :)21:10
lcukPoka64, are youby chance using the hannah montana theme?21:10
mikki-kunhm, meh, it need to save the log... brb21:10
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lcukDocScrutinizer, to technically get some raw states, grep logs for "*(*) has joined #maemo"21:12
lcukits not perfect21:12
lcukbut at least should give you the numbers you need21:12
DocScrutinizerfeasible, but ugly21:12
lcukraw stats even21:12
DocScrutinizerI'm a lazy dog21:13
DocScrutinizerstill gasping from shock with those bots :-D21:13
lcukyeah werent nice21:14
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spinningcompassOK. So, I've mounted four 512MB swap files on my micro-SD card to give me enough virtual RAM to compile PyPy on my N810 because the Scratchbox toolchain keeps segfaulting (QEMU doesn't like me, I guess). Let's see if it finishes compiling before December.21:21
mikki-kunmeh... how does it log that thing to a file? Ö.ö21:22
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mikki-kunseems somebody killed that way >.< meh, but i have the list... will copy paste it by hand then...21:23
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johnsqspinningcompass: take the developer their 12 core and 64gb ram rig away, than they are forced to write better and more resource friendly software21:28
Stskeepsspinningcompass: consider looking into building it for armv5 meego instead21:28
Stskeepsqemu's newer, toolchain saner..21:29
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spinningcompassStskeeps: Thank you for that. Would you know off-hand whether or not the binaries generated by meego's armv5 toolchain are backwards-compatible with earlier versions of the ARM CPU?21:30
spinningcompassThen again, Google is my bestest buddy. :)21:30
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Poka64this is why I have to use purple background in the x terminal.
Stskeepsspinningcompass: n810 is armv6+vfp :)21:34
Stskeepsspinningcompass: part of the pypy team?21:34
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DocScrutinizera friendly notice by your equally friendly chanop:21:37
DocScrutinizer[2010-08-07 20:31:14] <tomaw> DocScrutinizer: you probably don't need mode changes now as we've modified the web gateway to require a captcha before allowing connections21:37
DocScrutinizer[2010-08-07 20:32:06] <DocScrutinizer> haha, two days ago I've been told here my suggestion to use captcha won't fly - well nice tto hear id actually did nevertheless21:37
DocScrutinizer[2010-08-07 20:32:37] <tomaw> DocScrutinizer: not sure who told you that, but it wasn't someone that knew it was being looked into clearly :)21:37
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mikki-kunlet's see when the fun again starts ^^21:40
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DocScrutinizerwell, *IF* 'fun' starts again, then a quick /mode #maemo +q *!*@gateway/web/freenode*  should do21:45
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DocScrutinizerby any of the chanops21:45
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* lcuk is fighting an upset stomach tho21:46
* DocScrutinizer as well21:46
DocScrutinizertime for dinner now21:46
_llll_another way is channel mode +r (iirc) which requires people to register before joining21:46
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spinningcompasslcuk: Get well soon21:47
lcuk_llll_, sure, but that always causes complications21:47
lcukthanks spinningcompass21:47
lcuki cant remember what I was going to do now21:47
_llll_dont like to be snobbish, but people that cant figure out how to identify usually arnt worth the effort21:48
lcukI tihnk it was something related to liqbook21:48
lcuk_llll_, its not just the effort, I have 2 accounts here and only 1 is registered21:48
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_llll_that one is identified...21:49
lcukreally! gosh how did I manage that I wonder21:49
lcukit wasn't last time we banned them21:50
_llll_ account  : lcukn90021:50
_llll_no idea!21:50
* lcuk shrugs21:50
* lcuk needs more coffee21:51
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DocScrutinizersorry got disconnected (neighbour probably messing up my router via WLAN)21:59
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mikki-kunhow come he can do that?22:05
DocScrutinizerhe asked for account22:06
DocScrutinizer2h ago22:06
DocScrutinizerwinVista with butload of tryware22:07
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nox-you are brave :)22:16
* nox- wonders if the vista is already infected now and the malware messed with the router...22:16
DocScrutinizerlcukn900: /msg nickserv id lcuk <passwd>; /msg nickserv group22:17
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DocScrutinizerthe problem with +q $~a is it doesn't allow to change nick anymore, or somesuch22:17
nox-oh yeah i have to leave several #s before being able to /nick after getting disconnected...22:18
DocScrutinizernox-: Exactly what I thought22:18
mikki-kunhm, what is a very cpu-intensive task for maemo and the n900? wanna check if my limits i found out for my custom voltages are performing stable22:19
DocScrutinizereven experienced users go confused over that22:19
nox-i hope you dont have windows boxen in your lan or else they may now be infected too...22:19
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DocScrutinizermikki-kun: while true; do :; done22:19
DocScrutinizermikki-kun: don't do that as root! :-D22:20
mikki-kunhm, should i make a timer as well for that?22:20
mikki-kunso that it does that for 1 minute or so?22:20
nox-you can just ^c it after a min22:20
DocScrutinizernox-: redmond crap? *meeee*?22:20
nox-DocScrutinizer, :)22:21
* nox- only has some VMs here but they usually are not running22:21
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nox-still i wouldnt want to let a possibly infected box in my lan... :)22:21
mikki-kunthanks :) i had once a couple of tasks ^C didn't kill22:22
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DocScrutinizergot some winXP partition collecting dust, for extreme cases22:22
nox-ah true that i have too22:22
nox-but VMs are usually more useful22:22
DocScrutinizerusually when I really need that crap, then it's not working in a VM :-S22:23
mikki-kunso, i am running a flash-vid fullscreen while the "while true" things goes in the background..22:23
DocScrutinizerlike that MentorGraphics PADS :-O.'..22:24
mikki-kunthat should strech the poor cpu and the gpu as well22:24
lcukmikki-kun, does flash use the gpu?22:24
mikki-kunhm... doesn't it?22:25
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DocScrutinizerseems nobody but maybe timeless knows :-D22:25
lcuki am asking you22:25
mikki-kunahh, that was the vp8 thing... so it should be html5 and not adobe flash22:25
* lcuk needs to go walkabout but stomach hurting22:25
lcukdamn bwling chips or not enough coffee/drinks before going22:26
mikki-kundoes the browser support html5?22:26
nox-DocScrutinizer, do you know this?  (bit dated now but still interesting...)22:26
DocScrutinizerlcuk: Kamillosan22:26
DocScrutinizerno, is it malware? :-P22:26
nox-no its a talk22:26
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DocScrutinizer(you know pdf can have virus)22:27
nox-yeah i know :)22:27
nox-and iphones run the pdf viewer as root...22:27
mikki-kunespecially on i-products22:27
lcukDocScrutinizer, nahh this is pre-migraine stuff I have22:28
mikki-kunwould you think that jailbreaking a 2nd gen ipod would be good?22:28
nox-but id say flash is worse than pdf in that regard22:28
mikki-kuni mean an ipod touch22:28
mikki-kunjust curious cause my sis has one22:28
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lcukmikki-kun, getting maemo running on some pretty hardware would be nice22:28
* lcuk does some checking about resolution variance22:29
nox-flash security talk:
MohammadAGbackupmenu worked for restoring rootfs for everyone, but failed for me22:29
Proteousit doesn't like you22:30
lcukthat is once again because you are special22:30
ProteousI don't like you22:30
Proteousyou'd better watch yourself22:30
ProteousI have the death sentence on 5 systems22:30
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: somebody had to reflash, clamed that "app" is completely borked22:30
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, I see a green ball next to my name, and 4 others22:30
MohammadAGwhat's with that lol22:30
DocScrutinizerhad a bot attack22:31
lcukcrapstorm earlier22:31
MohammadAGFinishing flashing... Sending request 0x52 failed!22:31
MohammadAG  ERROR: Invalid UBI magic in block 39, page 0, hmm, same error that won DocScrutinizer a beer22:32
mikki-kunhm... so that software isn't working pretty well?22:33
MohammadAGit works, up to 40% then it just goes to 100% and fails22:33
DocScrutinizerseems is working only for special class of NAND (possibly the bad-block-free one)22:33
mikki-kunwuhu \o/22:33
MohammadAGhmm, I wonder if using dd on /dev/mtd5 would work22:34
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mikki-kunwhere does that one come from? :o22:34
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MohammadAGmtd5 = /22:34
MohammadAGmikki-kun, cat /proc/mtd22:35
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: probably works better that that flashing thing though22:35
DocScrutinizerdealing with jffs2 / ubifs on a phy dev level is nasty every time22:36
MohammadAGhow does flasher handle it then?22:37
DocScrutinizerthough getting an error on flashing is rather strange - or what is it exactly this tool/app does when you get that magic block?22:37
mikki-kunbtw, does the battery also have an impact of the systems stability when making the voltages tighter?22:38
DocScrutinizermikki-kun: nope22:38
DocScrutinizermikki-kun: if you're talking about core voltages22:38
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MohammadAGI hate how NOLO flashes the rootfs, not flasher22:39
DocScrutinizerERROR: Invalid argument for 'cmt22:40
DocScrutinizerwell that's clear enough no?22:40
mikki-kuni am talking bout those (at least i think ^^ - wouldn't make much sense if i'd affect other parts with changing the cpu's supply of power)22:40
MohammadAGtried --cmt-no-verify, it didn't help, as you can see22:40
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: flasher has no way to flash the NAND directly22:40
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DocScrutinizermikki-kun: why would you want to do that (reduce the voltages)?22:42
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DocScrutinizerit doesn't help at all for OC, and for normal operation the achievable power reduction is questionable, given the fact the system getting unstable most likely22:43
mikki-kunhm, i heard enough of the rumors stating that by using more customized voltages the battery may run longer22:43
DocScrutinizernumbers! we want numbers22:43
mikki-kunwell, that is what i am trying to find out with that ;)22:43
mikki-kunnot a scientific study though, personal experience22:44
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mikki-kunbut i will give numbers ;)22:44
DocScrutinizerlike "I guess it does 1.259534 times with ULV settings" ? :-P22:45
mikki-kunnot to a pinpoint accuracy like "with my custom settings i found out my system runs 1:05:54.32 hours longer than with the stock ones" but i will try finding out about how much longer it'll be like "my system runs an hour longer with my custom settings"22:46
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mikki-kunand one quote got my attention... (taken from Nokia's overclocking warning: 500 MHz is the normal frequency. Everything above is not good for your device, even with the stock kernel.22:47
DocScrutinizerwell, if you got good statistical material, like 50 runs with and 50 without ULV, and the standard deviation is small enough to make it significant...22:47
mikki-kun50 will just take a long time, i think i can get 10 runs for each22:48
mikki-kunwith battery meter i should be able to pinpoint the time it dies...22:49
DocScrutinizerfor a more decent set of numbers I'd try to keep CPU load constant, then probe the current drawn by system (using and switch from ULV to normal and back every minute. Then you get real numbers22:49
mikki-kunhm, i am not changing to ulv though... i got accustomed using xlv as ulv goes afair to 805mhz by default22:50
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DocScrutinizernevertheless the scheme remains the same22:51
mikki-kuni know what you are up to with that though22:51
DocScrutinizermaybe go for 5min peiods, and don't miss to tag the switching in your bq27200 log22:51
mikki-kuni'll try looking into that the next week... will have lots of free time but also have enough stuff to do with my family's pcs are two died down the day before yesterday in 5 mins...22:52
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DocScrutinizerwell, better invest any free time into doing it the way I suggested, rather than trying to accomplish 20 runs22:53
mikki-kunfaster and gives numbers22:53
DocScrutinizerreal numbers22:53
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th3hatesubtitles support stopped working... movies no longer showing subs22:55
mikki-kunuhm where i can get said script?22:55
th3hateany ideas what to look for?22:55
DocScrutinizerwith a period of 5min, and an automated script, you get decent results after as little as 1h22:55
DocScrutinizermikki-kun: check backscroll, ShadowJK linked to it some h ago22:55
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DocScrutinizerth3hate: nope *scratches head*22:56
th3hatewas showing subs properly yesterday22:57
th3hatesuddenly stopped working..22:57
th3haterebooted and reinstalled app22:57
th3hatestill not showing22:57
DocScrutinizerno idea22:58
DocScrutinizernot even knew it ever worked22:58
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DocScrutinizerfor mplayer I once got told to add a separate file for subs22:58
DocScrutinizerwith a generic name derived from media file name22:59
th3hatemplayer shows subs but can't get it to support arabic encoding22:59
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mikki-kunDocScrutinizer: will be installing it right away, found the link23:01
mikki-kunhm, i think i need some modules loaded...23:04
DocScrutinizermikki-kun: for a similar thing I did a few bashlines like ~# >log.log & ; while pause 60; do (lshal >>log.log); done23:04
MohammadAGI started up the USB console on /dev/ttyACM023:04
MohammadAGhow do I use it?23:04
mikki-kuni get an Error: Could not set address to 0x55: Device or resource busy23:04
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mikki-kunyeah... maybe in the wrong directory?23:05
mikki-kuni got that all into /root/ now23:05
DocScrutinizeruser root though23:06
mikki-kunfigured it was small and as root uses it i can have it lying around there23:06
mikki-kunyeah, as root23:06
DocScrutinizerand you'll need the i2cget cmd somewhere (see script where exactly)23:06
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DocScrutinizermikki-kun: duh, power-kernel?23:07
mikki-kunmost up to date version from titan23:07
mikki-kunbtw, another error as well ./ line 205: syntax error:  * 3570 / 20 / 100023:07
DocScrutinizermodprobe -r bq2720023:07
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mikki-kuni should remove said module? it isn't even loaded23:09
mikki-kunbut "bq27x00_battery" is23:09
mikki-kunahhh, that was the bad guy23:09
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mikki-kunthanks :)23:09
mikki-kunnow it works like a charm :)23:09
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: keep it, help is coming :-)23:10
StskeepsMohammadAG: , [22:02]23:10
DocScrutinizerI bet he's aware of that :-D23:10
DocScrutinizerooh, not that23:10
SpeedEvilDoes busybox sh do variable splitting?23:11
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SpeedEvilI want to do23:11
mikki-kunby using "./ 5" i exec it every 5 secs, right?23:11
SpeedEvilecho fish fowl|read one two;echo $one23:11
SpeedEviland have it output fish23:11
SpeedEvilI know why it doesn't - and how to work round it nastily23:11
SpeedEvilis there a way to avoid this?23:11
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Jef91Is there a way I can create a text message list on the n900?23:12
Jef91Like for a mass text I send out weekly23:12
tank-mansounds like spam :)23:13
Jef91or an invite to a poker game23:13
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, lol I already got /dev/ttyACM0 on my PC23:13
MohammadAGI'm just not sure how to use it23:13
MohammadAGnever done this low level crap23:13
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: yep, so you actually areconnected to NOLO?23:13
DocScrutinizertry ?23:14
MohammadAGno, I'm using the backupmenu usb console23:14
MohammadAG[17675.706460] cdc_acm 1-3:1.6: ttyACM0: USB ACM device23:14
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Stskeepsthat's usual23:14
mikki-kunDocScrutinizer: how about everybody using custom voltages reports his numbers? would help up clearing the mist regarding custom voltages23:14
Stskeepsdone by g_nokia23:14
Stskeepsthis is earlier23:14
DocScrutinizermikki-kun: those should be pretty the same for all tests done correctly23:15
mikki-kunshould be, but if more people do the test we can also include an emperical study and check what the usual outcome should be... i mean i could do something wring maybe or so...23:16
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: for backupmenu I'd guess it's a simple shell23:16
DocScrutinizermikki-kun: sure, sure23:17
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, so how do I switch to it23:17
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DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: ttyACM aiui is RS232 over USB, so you are just connected to it as soon as you started e.g minicom to ttyACM with right parameters23:18
Stskeepsthat ttyACM you see is just access to pnatd afaik.23:18
mikki-kunand one question regarding OC... are the high voltages bad for the cpu or the faster clockcycles?23:18
Stskeepsyou could possibly start a shell on it.23:18
DocScrutinizershouldn't that be in TFM of backup-bootmenu?23:18
MohammadAGbackupmenu has a USB console option in it23:19
MohammadAGwhich uses /dev/ttyACM023:19
DocScrutinizerhm so should respond to AT23:19
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