| Dantonic | it's listing all directories I guess | 00:00 |
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| Dantonic | is there a way to make it list the total size or something? | 00:00 |
| crashanddie | du -sh | 00:00 |
| mgedmin | but you want it to list all directories | 00:01 |
| Dantonic | 26.9G :( | 00:01 |
| mgedmin | then you'll be able to see where those gigs live | 00:01 |
| mgedmin | or you could du -chs ~/MyDocs/* | 00:01 |
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| Dantonic | how do I make it list a little at a time? there are too many, it = | 00:01 |
| mgedmin | to see an overview of just 1 level | 00:01 |
| Dantonic | ok | 00:01 |
| mgedmin | and then repeat it for the largest subdirectory | 00:01 |
| korhojoa | Dantonic: you can | less it | 00:02 |
| crashanddie | Dantonic: du /home/user/MyDocs | more | 00:02 |
| mgedmin | caveat: this misses hidden directories (those with names that start with a dot), but then again VFAT doesn't allow filenames to start with a dot, so forget it | 00:02 |
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| Dantonic | hah with du -chs ~/MyDocs/* I get a total of 14.2G | 00:03 |
| Dantonic | all the directories look correct | 00:03 |
| Dantonic | the space they take up I mean | 00:04 |
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| Dantonic | I guess it must be in a hidden directory? | 00:04 |
| mgedmin | interesting | 00:04 |
| mgedmin | ls -lA MyDocs | 00:05 |
| _llll_ | most things are in .documents | 00:05 |
| _llll_ | or .sounds and the others | 00:05 |
| mgedmin | oh duh! | 00:05 |
| mgedmin | I feel so stupid for forgetting that | 00:05 |
| Dantonic | what's that? | 00:05 |
| mgedmin | (and assuming vfat wouldn't allow it) | 00:05 |
| mgedmin | the standard locations for Documents, Videos, Audio files are ~/MyDocs/.documents etc. | 00:05 |
| _llll_ | it's some bizarre way to allow "Documents" to be translated or something | 00:06 |
| mgedmin | it's so they can be translated into different languages without renaming the actual directories | 00:06 |
| Dantonic | oh | 00:06 |
| Dantonic | I see | 00:06 |
| Dantonic | so how should I check that? du -chs ~/MyDocs/.documents/* | 00:06 |
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| _llll_ | du -sh ~/MyDocs/.documents | 00:07 |
| _llll_ | what does c do? | 00:07 |
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| Dantonic | uhm... 65.8M | 00:07 |
| E0x | how the service provider name get draw in the screen ? | 00:07 |
| E0x | xlib or something ? | 00:07 |
| Dantonic | that's just pointing to the "Documents" folder | 00:07 |
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| Dantonic | within MyDocs | 00:07 |
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| mgedmin | the file manager said "audio files", right? | 00:08 |
| Dantonic | yeah | 00:08 |
| mgedmin | so du -chs ~/MyDocs/.sounds | 00:08 |
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| mgedmin | -c is probably only useful if you du more than one argument | 00:08 |
| mgedmin | I have it hardwired in my fingers | 00:08 |
| Dantonic | ya 7.6M | 00:08 |
| mgedmin | since I never remember if I want -c or -s | 00:08 |
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| Dantonic | I have all my music in a separate folder called "Music" | 00:08 |
| _llll_ | s is "summary" | 00:09 |
| mgedmin | well, we've established that you've got 26 gigs of filed in MyDocs | 00:09 |
| mgedmin | now you want to know where | 00:09 |
| jacekowski | ncdu is nice | 00:09 |
| mgedmin | and we know it's in a hidden folder, since du -chs MyDocs/* finds only 14 gigs | 00:09 |
| jacekowski | or there was that gui thing | 00:09 |
| Dantonic | so how do we search just the hidden folders? | 00:09 |
| mgedmin | so du -chs ~/MyDocs/.[a-zA-Z]* | 00:10 |
| _llll_ | fand hope it isnt names .000-horse-p0rn | 00:10 |
| Dantonic | so why wouldn't du -chs ~/MyDocs/.* work? | 00:10 |
| Dantonic | u gotta put the a-z stuff? | 00:10 |
| mgedmin | shell kinda sucks; there's no way to "match .* except for . and ..", and you don't want to du /home/user/MyDocs/../ == /home/user ... | 00:10 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | http://share.ovi.com/media/joerg900.public/joerg900.10034 fsck that, laptop completely refuses to play, N900 is doing diashow on medium quality, and total crap on low quality | 00:10 |
| mgedmin | wow, perfect timing ;) | 00:10 |
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| DrIDK | Is somebody very very nice , to help me to push my first application via ssh/git ? | 00:11 |
| Dantonic | aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah | 00:11 |
| mgedmin | DocScrutinizer51++ | 00:11 |
| Dantonic | 12.1G home/user/MyDocs/.Trash-1000 | 00:11 |
| mgedmin | he he! | 00:12 |
| Dantonic | it's the trash bin??!!! | 00:12 |
| Dantonic | wtf! | 00:12 |
| Dantonic | how do I empty the trash bin!! | 00:12 |
| Dantonic | :P | 00:12 |
| mgedmin | maemo doesn't use one; it must be from a time you used the usb cable with a linux laptop | 00:12 |
| mgedmin | don't these normally ask "do you want to empty your recycle bin before ejecting"? | 00:12 |
| mgedmin | anyway, rm -r ~/MyDocs/.Trash-1000 | 00:12 |
| mgedmin | or rm -rf | 00:12 |
| crashanddie | "If women are so bloody perfect at multi-tasking, how come they can't have a headache and sex at the same time?" | 00:13 |
| Dantonic | well idk I've only connected it with my desktop... Ubuntu 9.10 | 00:13 |
| Dantonic | and I did transfer about 12 GB of stuff at one point | 00:13 |
| Dantonic | that must be it | 00:13 |
| Dantonic | then deleted it on the device | 00:13 |
| Dantonic | this was months ago | 00:13 |
| Dantonic | omg thanks so much guys | 00:14 |
| Dantonic | thanks for the help | 00:14 |
| Dantonic | so how can I avoid this in the future? If I transfer files and delete make sure I empty recycle bin before ejecting the drive? Or just delete straight on the N900? | 00:14 |
| Dantonic | after disconnecting USB? | 00:14 |
| E0x | i install the scratchbox at my netbook now i need move install it in my desktop , i can use the /scratchbox folder for not download everything again ? | 00:15 |
| E0x | how i can reuse it ? | 00:15 |
| crashanddie | E0x: you must be a tree-hugger. Recycling bytes. | 00:15 |
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| E0x | crashanddie: ? | 00:16 |
| crashanddie | E0x: you can copy over the users directory, but nothing else | 00:16 |
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| Dantonic | argh it's not deleting it! | 00:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Dantonic: I'd sugest a `ln -s /dev/null MyDocs/.Trash-1000` but alas it won't work like that on crappy VFAT fs | 00:18 |
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| Dantonic | it's ok got it | 00:19 |
| Dantonic | just did a rm -r .Trash* | 00:19 |
| Dantonic | :) | 00:19 |
| magick777 | Dantonic, in Nautilus on ubuntu, Edit, Preferences, check option to include a delete command that bypasses waste bin | 00:19 |
| Dantonic | yay I have my 12 GB back!!! | 00:19 |
| magick777 | and use it | 00:19 |
| magick777 | that'll stop it happening again | 00:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep, but about the >><Dantonic> so how can I avoid this in the future?<< part | 00:19 |
| Dantonic | oh I see thanks | 00:19 |
| Dantonic | ln -s /dev/null MyDocs/.Trash-1000 what does that do exactly? | 00:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | maybe just never use simple 'delete' instead always use shift-'delete' on Buntkuh | 00:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | when deleting from attached USB | 00:20 |
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| Dantonic | well basically as long as I DO NOT delete while it's attached on USB... I should be fine right? | 00:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep - lol | 00:20 |
| magick777 | Dantonic, yes but that's overkill | 00:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | Dantonic: ever gave mc a try? | 00:21 |
| magick777 | just add a real delete option to your Nautilus menus | 00:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer | blarghh gnome | 00:21 |
| magick777 | indeed... and shift-delete doesn't work as you might hope | 00:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep, prolly KDE fancy | 00:22 |
| DrIDK | what does it mean : Please make sure you have filled in your garage credentials to ~/.netrc. The info that needs to be added there is the following: ? | 00:22 |
| Dantonic | ok magick I cehcked that option | 00:22 |
| magick777 | but, Ubuntu does a great job of converting Windoze users who "value" those sort of "features" | 00:22 |
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| Dantonic | <DocScrutinizer> Dantonic: ever gave mc a try? what's that? | 00:23 |
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| Duckboot | øæå | 00:23 |
| Dantonic | midnight commander? | 00:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | midnight commander, a norton commander clone | 00:23 |
| Dantonic | ah | 00:23 |
| Dantonic | no never | 00:23 |
| Dantonic | I've seen it i the repositories | 00:23 |
| Dantonic | never installed it | 00:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | you should have it in buntkuh repos for sure | 00:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | just use instead of noteilutz | 00:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | err nauseatilus | 00:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer | e really WYSIWYG filemanager | 00:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | a real* | 00:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer | no fancy icons, and also no trashcan | 00:26 |
| DrIDK | ... what' s garage credentials to ~/.netrc. ? Where is this file ? | 00:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | but nice little gimmicks like instant file editing, compare files and directories etc | 00:26 |
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| DocScrutinizer | magick777: for ubuntu see http://xkcd.com/424/ | 00:29 |
| magick777 | hehe | 00:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | where my vocabulary using ubuntu and gnome in a completely interchangeable way | 00:30 |
| magick777 | I was sceptical in the early days, looked like another Mandrake | 00:31 |
| magick777 | but, I used it to rescue a debian LVM system I hosed, and rather liked it | 00:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer | honestly if somebody likes windoze look and feel, then please stay with redmond products and be a happy camper. I for one prefer a linux that looks and feels *better* than any redmond crap, instead of trying to mimick vista and inevitably failing on that | 00:33 |
| magick777 | it's not the look and feel I like... it's the fact that more of it just works | 00:33 |
| magick777 | sensible use of repos, less arcane policy about non-free essentials | 00:34 |
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| magick777 | I started with slackware, spent 2 years running gentoo and several on debian... ubuntu is now my flavour of choice | 00:34 |
| magick777 | which surprises me, also | 00:34 |
| magick777 | but, it finally just bloody works | 00:35 |
| jacekowski | ubuntu is just ekhm | 00:35 |
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| jacekowski | it's like a vista | 00:35 |
| jacekowski | slow | 00:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | err, buntkuh is as far away from a standard linux as it can get without losing the tag. I don't like that | 00:35 |
| jacekowski | and heavy | 00:35 |
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| magick777 | I would accept all those arguments.... and still it's more usable right now than debian or gentoo | 00:36 |
| jacekowski | gentoo is unusable even on 4 core xeon | 00:36 |
| nox- | moin | 00:36 |
| jacekowski | btw. is emerge still soooooo slow? | 00:36 |
| magick777 | probably not on a 4-core xeon, it was hopeless on a p4 | 00:37 |
| jacekowski | i mean just dependencies calculations | 00:37 |
| magick777 | been a while since I used it (thankfully) | 00:38 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I'd need another 7 testers. Anybody got a few minutes for http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/starhash-enabler/0.2/ ? | 00:42 |
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| * asj looks | 00:44 | |
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| jacekowski | how is version 0.2 different from 0.1 | 00:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | 0.2 * description cleanup, change pretty name to "*# Starhash Enabler". | 00:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer | added link to bug reporting tmo, adds XB-Maemo-Upgrade-Description field (which is usually painfully missing in other pkgs, *hint hint*) | 00:48 |
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| DrGrov | DocScrutinizer: I would love to test it but unfortunately the N900 is not used as phone anymore :/ | 00:48 |
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| asj | DocScrutinizer: you just aclled *# so it would end up on the top of the list didn't you ;) | 00:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer | hmm, I wonder if that's an obstacle at all. In the end the whole dealing with *#numbers is in dialer anyway, so nothing I could change wrt any bug there | 00:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | asj: not exactly, it was mainly to give a clue wtf is starhash. But the effect was welcome ;-) | 00:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer | DrGrov: *# is just *enabling* the CC in dialer. So all you need to test is if it installs and deinstalls correctly, and if it maybe causes general fuckup of system :-) | 00:53 |
| DrGrov | DocScrutinizer: My N900 is having issues at the moment... :( Not working out very well. | 00:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | any bugs in dialer when CC are enabled have to be addressed to Nokia rtcomm | 00:53 |
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| asj | is there a way to remove an app from extras-devel? | 00:54 |
| jacekowski | asj: ask X-Fade to do it | 00:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep, only way | 00:55 |
| asj | jacekowski: ok thanks | 00:55 |
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| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: (what's diff in 0.2) http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=762487#post762487 | 00:56 |
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| asj | DocScrutinizer: there you go, one more vote :) | 01:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | thanks mate :-) | 01:00 |
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| rlinfati | Hi, someone upload a libsdl-mixer1.2 to extras-devel, and it's in conflict with the nokia version... | 01:02 |
| rlinfati | http://maemo.org/packages/view/libsdl-mixer1.2/ | 01:03 |
| trem | nite all, sweet dreams | 01:04 |
| rlinfati | the check of the builder are not working https://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/libsdl-mixer1.2_1.2.6-5+0m5+ogg+mp3/ | 01:05 |
| DrGrov | Anyone got any Nokia E-series phone and perhaps want to help a bit? | 01:06 |
| Arkenoi | does anyone have current accelermymote and descent working correctly together on pr1.2? | 01:07 |
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| johnsu01 | DrGrov: help with what? | 01:07 |
| DrGrov | johnsu01: you got a E-series phone? | 01:07 |
| johnsu01 | DrGrov: yes, I have an old e61 (but I'm on my way out, which is why I was asking what you had in mind) | 01:08 |
| DrGrov | johnsu01: ok, i just thought i'd ask that do you know if I can customize the "messages" shortcut to something else than e-mail? i have an E52 | 01:08 |
| johnsu01 | DrGrov: hm, don't know off the top of my head. I was waiting till a free symbian image was flashable before turning it on again :) | 01:09 |
| DrGrov | johnsu01: ah okay, you had some issues with it? | 01:10 |
| johnsu01 | DrGrov: no, I loved that phone, but I have an n900 now which is a lot closer to my goal of a free software phone :) | 01:10 |
| johnsu01 | but I'd happily tinker with free software symbian as well, once they get an installable image available | 01:10 |
| DrGrov | johnsu01: okay, i still have my n900 but i opted for the e52 due to its superior battery life, both phone and standby time. and it works better as a phone | 01:10 |
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| johnsu01 | the E series are really nice phones, no doubt about it | 01:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | DrGrov: maybe /join #symbian ? | 01:11 |
| DrGrov | DocScrutinizer: sorry for off-topic | 01:11 |
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| magick777 | DocScrutinizer, voted up, does what it says on the tin.... | 01:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | magick777: thanks | 01:15 |
| asj | DrGrov: look in settings | 01:16 |
| DrGrov | asj: i have tried but no luck. | 01:17 |
| DrGrov | but nevertheless, does not matter since i kind of do not need that shortcut. | 01:17 |
| DrGrov | but on the other hand it could be a nice shortcut to my pr0n | 01:17 |
| asj | DrGrov: hmpf, might need an app to change it, of course it needs high level caps | 01:18 |
| asj | DrGrov: is the e51 3.1 or 3.2? | 01:18 |
| DrGrov | asj: i can check later on again though. i am pretty sure it is there somewhere | 01:18 |
| DrGrov | no, it is not an e51 | 01:18 |
| DrGrov | it is an e52 | 01:19 |
| asj | sorry e52, is it 3.1 or 3.2? | 01:19 |
| DrGrov | the latest, i bought it just this week so i presume it is 3.12 | 01:19 |
| DrGrov | 3.2 | 01:19 |
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| * asj geos to look at an e72 | 01:20 | |
| DrGrov | asj: I was also checking at the E72 but I did not fancy the full QWERTY keyboard though. Makes my situation too difficult. | 01:21 |
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| DrGrov | asj: you think the E52 is 3.1 or 3.2 if I bought it last week? | 01:21 |
| asj | DrGrov: Control Panel->Settings->Phone->Personilization->One-Touch-> | 01:22 |
| DrGrov | asj: huh? | 01:23 |
| asj | DrGrov: it's 3.2. That's how to get the menu to change the keys | 01:23 |
| DrGrov | okay, it is 3.2 | 01:24 |
| DrGrov | ah, i will check that out. thank you | 01:24 |
| DrGrov | not anymore today. i want to keep the use at minimal and standby to see whether it lasts 1 week without any charging. | 01:24 |
| asj | DrGrov: oops that's wrong, Ctrl. Panel->Settings->General->Personilisation->One-touch | 01:25 |
| DrGrov | asj: no problem, i will check from there :) tomorrow I will do it when I am intoxicated by some nice Stolichanya vodka ;-) | 01:25 |
| asj | that's also where you can disable the aweful "Opti nav key" on the e72 | 01:25 |
| DrGrov | WTF is the Opti nav key? I have not seen such a key. Not available on the E52? | 01:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | stolichnaya been the buzzword. Me away... | 01:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | as I'm really not interested in E-series | 01:27 |
| DrGrov | I will get seriously intoxicated tomorrow. My friend said I will crawl on the floor | 01:28 |
| DrGrov | :) | 01:28 |
| DrGrov | My fiancee perhaps not too thrilled about this prediction but nevertheless, it will be jolly good ol' fun | 01:28 |
| DrGrov | I can always give her the N900 to play with and she will become much more stable | 01:28 |
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| DocScrutinizer | lcuk: how do you like my letterbox hack (regardless of the pain to playback and from abysmal quality)? | 01:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | lcuk: jacekowski: http://share.ovi.com/media/joerg900.public/joerg900.10034 :-) | 01:31 |
| asj | DrGrov: on the dpad of the e72 when you slide your finger it does the equivalant of the motions, it's basically touch sensitive | 01:33 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer: epic | 01:33 |
| DrGrov | asj: that is so cool | 01:33 |
| DrGrov | asj: i wonder why it took me so long to finally get an E-series phone. | 01:33 |
| asj | DrGrov: the problem is, it sucks. Because it's enabled and the d-pad clicks, so when you go to click it the selection runs around like crazy since you also slid your finger | 01:33 |
| DrGrov | I did not want the E51, E61, E63, E66, E90 but the E52 is the shit. | 01:34 |
| asj | DrGrov: you must be really drunk | 01:34 |
| DrGrov | asj: drunk? | 01:34 |
| DrGrov | me? | 01:34 |
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| DrGrov | asj: WTF? I am not drunk. | 01:34 |
| asj | DrGrov: just wait till you use symbian for a month, then don't come crawling back us crying ;) | 01:35 |
| DrGrov | asj: I still have the N900 there. | 01:35 |
| DrGrov | asj: the N900 is being used for different purposes. | 01:35 |
| asj | DrGrov: try developing for symbian, it's a sole crushing grinding pulverizing anahalating experience, and that's just installing the tools | 01:36 |
| DrGrov | I will never develop for Symbian so quite frankly I do not give a fuck | 01:36 |
| DrGrov | lo | 01:36 |
| DrGrov | LOL | 01:36 |
| ShadowJK | you managed to install the tools? I never made it that far | 01:36 |
| ShadowJK | I ran out screaming and chewed on a tree until it fell down. It was easier and more rewarding | 01:37 |
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| asj | ShadowJK: symbian levels of difficulty, from easiest to hardest: tool install, compiling something, making it work, making it do something useful, trying to get your app signed, wondering who came with the cleanup stack and how to kill them, TDesC | 01:39 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: MrBeaver ? | 01:39 |
| ShadowJK | if Symbian was a forrest company, that's how they'd cut down trees | 01:40 |
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| * DocScrutinizer wonders why he's still here instead of over there with a nice glass of Stolichnaya | 01:41 | |
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| DocScrutinizer | btw downloading http://share.ovi.com/media/joerg900.public/joerg900.10034 and playback in mediaplayer seems to work nicely. Just I don't see a download link on Ovi unless logged in to the account :-/ | 01:42 |
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| wall[3] | http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_NRWUGak3PFo/TFIDiYQ3UwI/AAAAAAAAAiw/7KhtjNPb22U/s1600/wtf.jpg | 01:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | Ovi epic fail | 01:43 |
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| dmj726_devel | I'm trying to compile the fcamera example application and am getting the error: You must enable NEON instructions (e.g. -mfloat-abi=softfp -mfpu=neon) to use arm_neon.h | 01:46 |
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| ShadowJK | probably also -mcpu=Cortex-A8 | 01:47 |
| dmj726_devel | I looked in the fcamera.pro and found QMAKE_CXXFLAGS += -mfpu=neon -mfloat-abi=softfp | 01:47 |
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| dmj726_devel | so I'm not sure why it would be missing those | 01:48 |
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| dmj726_devel | has anyone else gotten fcamera to compile? | 01:56 |
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| * dmj726_devel assumes so for obvious reasons but is interested if any tweaks have been needed. | 01:57 | |
| tybollt | DocScrutinizer: ovi epic fail? | 01:57 |
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| tybollt | mind elaborating?= | 01:57 |
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| calamari | hi | 02:29 |
| ptl | hello | 02:29 |
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| calamari | just curious if anyone has heard rumors of an n900 successor? | 02:30 |
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| tripzero | calamari, rumors | 02:32 |
| tripzero | google for 'n9' | 02:32 |
| tripzero | you'll find lots of rumors ;) | 02:32 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | gpsjinni is buggy. what's been the name of that location test gui? | 02:35 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | seem unable to find it in HAM | 02:35 |
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| calamari | tripzero, thanks :) | 02:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | SpeedEvil: ping | 02:54 |
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| SpeedEvil | ? | 02:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | SpeedEvil: what's been that other package (official nokia?) to test GPS? | 03:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | liblocationtestGUI | 03:16 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | or sth | 03:16 |
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| SpeedEvil | loation-test-gui | 03:16 |
| SpeedEvil | location-test-gui | 03:16 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | seems gone in ham? | 03:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | or my LOCALE is fooling me once more (like for fmradio) | 03:18 |
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| SpeedEvil | ii location-test-gui 0.93-1+0m5 Location test gui | 03:21 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | SpeedEvil: any link to a deb to install? apt-cache doesn't find either | 03:21 |
| SpeedEvil | umm | 03:21 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | or repo? | 03:21 |
| SpeedEvil | I think I installed it from a repo - but I have lots installed | 03:22 |
| SpeedEvil | http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo5.0/non-free/l/location-test-gui/ | 03:22 |
| SpeedEvil | aha! | 03:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | I'm sure I installed from repo, but it's gone in the usual ones | 03:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | thanks, .deb via microb worked | 03:25 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | pool/maemo5/nonfree? WTF | 03:26 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | I feel like missing a few more weird catalogs | 03:27 |
| zeltak | hya guys...was wondering how well the gps works on other n900 without network assistance (i dont have a data plan) | 03:30 |
| zeltak | in my n900 (only got it last week | 03:30 |
| zeltak | )it works like crap..is that normal? | 03:31 |
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| asj | zeltak: yes :( | 03:33 |
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| SpeedEvil | zeltak: I have it connected over wifi, with no SIM, and it works just fine. | 03:33 |
| zeltak | i see bummer... :( | 03:33 |
| SpeedEvil | If you use it moderately often | 03:33 |
| SpeedEvil | lock is ~30s | 03:33 |
| zeltak | SpeedEvil: yeah but when your driving its hard to get wifi all the time :-) | 03:33 |
| asj | zeltak: you should only need it within 4 hours of your drive | 03:34 |
| SpeedEvil | zeltak: I think it works fine withoout wifi, I will test that tomorrow. | 03:34 |
| SpeedEvil | plus - it will go for 16 hours with GPS on | 03:34 |
| zeltak | i tested it with the default nokia maps.took like 5 minutes to get a lock and kept loosing the gps signal every minute or so...that kinda sucked | 03:35 |
| zeltak | yeah i dont think ill use the gps much day to day but was kinda hope to use it once in a while when driving.. | 03:35 |
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| asj | zeltak: network access only helps with initial fix | 03:35 |
| asj | zeltak: so you might want try a different location in the car, one with less metal overhead perhaps? | 03:36 |
| zeltak | i see asj good to know..it does fix after a while (a long while:)) | 03:36 |
| zeltak | asj i tried it walking ;-) | 03:36 |
| zeltak | so that wasnt the problem..lol | 03:36 |
| zeltak | i wonder then how the sygic gps turn by turn nav they sell for mameo works since the signal is so unrelaiable | 03:37 |
| asj | zeltak: heh, I admit I don't use the gps a lot (I have like 5 gps devices) but hands atenuate it a lot (as apple found out) as does tree cover and buildings | 03:37 |
| asj | zeltak: but I've had very solid locks with it | 03:38 |
| zeltak | i see ..did u guys see the utube apple spoof,,hilarious: | 03:39 |
| zeltak | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMl_71dqeR8&feature=player_embedded | 03:39 |
| asj | yeah that's funny | 03:39 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | gps is friggin awesome once you got first fix | 03:40 |
| SpeedEvil | I don't find it unreliable personally. | 03:41 |
| nox- | where is the gps antenna on the n900? | 03:41 |
| SpeedEvil | I have done long term studies on the GPS accuracy. | 03:41 |
| zeltak | hi DocScrutinizer51 really? i did get a fix that was fine but it kept loosing the signal every minute or so | 03:41 |
| SpeedEvil | The RMS error is under 5m. | 03:41 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | for first fix though it helps a lot to have a)gsm b)wifi c)no moving til fix | 03:41 |
| zeltak | ok ill try it outside my house in a few minues where i can still get some wifi going | 03:42 |
| zeltak | i hope that helps | 03:42 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | maybe your car is well faraday with metal coated windows? | 03:42 |
| * zeltak hopes the wife will be patient while playing arounf with gps before going out to dinner :) | 03:42 | |
| zeltak | DocScrutinizer51: i actually tested it outside walking :) | 03:43 |
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| asj | zeltak: losing signal == weak lock. Once you have your first fix signal strength requirements are much less. of course, poor satelite visibility can be an issue if they're all down near the horizon. | 03:44 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | I found it will lock up in a limbo state if no fix in some 120s | 03:44 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | if no GSM | 03:44 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | stop and restart did it for me | 03:44 |
| zeltak | i see..yeah i dont have a data plan (i sit under wifi all day at uni :)) | 03:44 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | occasionally took 15min with wifi | 03:45 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | then keeps good TTFF for at least several hours | 03:46 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | with GSM always less than 1min ( if possible at all) | 03:46 |
| zeltak | ok good to know..yeah gsm is not hapenning soon..maybe in the fufutre | 03:47 |
| olebrom | I have GPSJinni running to get gps-fix without a-gps (network trafic) operative. This since the standard apps drops out before gps-fix is established. | 03:47 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | gsm!=data | 03:47 |
| zeltak | ahh cool olebrom is that in te repos? | 03:47 |
| olebrom | yeah, I will check which. | 03:48 |
| zeltak | kk thx | 03:48 |
| zeltak | found it thx | 03:49 |
| zeltak | apt cache is cool :) | 03:49 |
| olebrom | Here it is at maemo.org: http://maemo.org/downloads/product/Maemo5/gpsjinni/ | 03:49 |
| zeltak | olebrom: thx man | 03:50 |
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| olebrom | Repo: http://repository.maemo.org/extras/ fremantle free | 03:55 |
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| zeltak | thx | 03:57 |
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| zeltak | off to tst the gps on the way to dinner..report back later ;-) | 03:57 |
| zeltak | thx guys | 03:57 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | zeltak: olebrom: location-test-gui is muuuuuuch better. See backsroll for .deb | 03:59 |
| olebrom | I will say the GPS on N900 is okay, but Ovi Map for Maemo is not by far the same as on Symbian... :-( | 03:59 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | known issue | 04:00 |
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| asj | I don't understand why they don't do turn/turn on the n900, I guess it's the lack of drm | 04:01 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ovi sucks big time | 04:01 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | nope lack of foresight | 04:01 |
| asj | DocScrutinizer: I don't buy that | 04:01 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | doing for maemo would mean they are done for future meego highend | 04:02 |
| asj | hmm? | 04:02 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | but they don't get that fact | 04:03 |
| lcukn900 | asj n810 had closed turn by turn on it | 04:03 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | so leave maemo behind as for thwm it's 'EOL' | 04:03 |
| asj | lcukn900: hmm | 04:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | so we have to wait for first meego flagship device, then ovi maps implemented for meego, then backport to maemo evemtually - morons | 04:07 |
| Macer | hahaha | 04:08 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | sales mgmt | 04:08 |
| Macer | didnt see that coming? :) | 04:09 |
| Macer | maemo will be sitting there with no updates waiting on people to backport apps | 04:09 |
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| Macer | what is the meego flagship device supposed to be? the aava? | 04:10 |
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| Macer | the demo of the aava stuff looks awesome | 04:10 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | no. honestly didn't think the sw engineers are not capable to tell mgmt 'let's do it NOW, so we got it rwady in time. And maemo/meego doesn't matter' | 04:11 |
| Macer | heh | 04:11 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | port forward to meego is even simpler than backport to maemo | 04:12 |
| Macer | maybe | 04:13 |
| Macer | have to wait for a completely "finished" product to know for sure | 04:13 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | plus they buy image of 'we care' | 04:13 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | nope | 04:14 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | it's evident now | 04:14 |
| Macer | hehe | 04:14 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | develop under maemo/qt and you are set for porting to meego on push of a button | 04:15 |
| Macer | honestly. in the end... people will concentrate most of their efforts on meego dev | 04:15 |
| Macer | and let the maemo ppl who actually still care to handle backporting | 04:15 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | doesn't matter - backport is as easy | 04:16 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | it's qt | 04:16 |
| Macer | you would think. what if whatever you are backporting requires a new kernel module that you cant build for maemo for some reason? | 04:16 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | which one? | 04:17 |
| Macer | not everyrhing is qt :) | 04:17 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | lasers? | 04:17 |
| Macer | i dont know | 04:17 |
| Macer | yah haha | 04:17 |
| Macer | lasers! | 04:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | that's honestly BS. meego kernel is no way better than maemo | 04:18 |
| Macer | i didnt say it was begtter or worse | 04:18 |
| Macer | i just meant there could be some unforeseen issue in backporting/foreporting | 04:19 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | couldcouldcould | 04:19 |
| Macer | exactly ;) | 04:19 |
| Macer | nobody truly knows for sure until people start building for both | 04:19 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | if there is then better learn early - then fix, in meego | 04:20 |
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| asj | If meego includes the security model proposed for maemo6, good luck trying to backport it, even if runs it won't auth and will fail | 04:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | if DRM hits kernel, I'll fill the package with my 2 N900 and 5kg of C4, then send to Nokia | 04:23 |
| EdLin | DocScrutinizer, there's going to be DRM in Meego.... | 04:23 |
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| asj | DocScrutinizer: it'll be way deeper than the kernel | 04:24 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | I'm talking about signed kernels | 04:24 |
| nox- | `teevoization'? | 04:25 |
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| EdLin | the ROM image in many Android phones has encryption, my cliq XT apparently has this - if I'd known there'd be no ROMs (and no root yet, tho that's probably coming) I would have gotten something else. (I have a n810 and am thinking "n900" now) | 04:27 |
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| EdLin | that's tivoization.... | 04:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5115609628556940516&q=trusted+computing# | 04:28 |
| EdLin | take a look at the Droid X for an example of tivoization. | 04:28 |
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| harry_holland | hi all | 04:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep | 04:29 |
| EdLin | hi | 04:29 |
| nox- | moin harry_holland | 04:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | for now only NOLO is signed, for all we hear from those who should know | 04:30 |
| EdLin | what's NOLO? | 04:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | but a signed NOLO is first step. They can replace it with a bootloader refusing to load a not correctly signed kernel any time | 04:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | NOkia bootLOader | 04:31 |
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| EdLin | why does the boot loader need to be signed, according to Nokia? | 04:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | you can not replace NOLO on N900, because you don't have the right key to sign your new bootloader | 04:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's a property of OMAP, allegedly | 04:32 |
| EdLin | this doesn't cause any problems for dual-booting android, right? | 04:32 |
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| EdLin | OMAP has all sorts of DRM stuff, including the ability to corrupt hardware if it doesn't like what you're doing. | 04:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | if android can be booted by NOLO then for sure not. But NOLO can NOT dual boot | 04:33 |
| EdLin | can it chain-load a dual-boot system? | 04:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | so you can - for NOW - boot to maemo, then from there kexec to andridiot | 04:34 |
| EdLin | lol | 04:35 |
| EdLin | andridiot. | 04:35 |
| SpeedEvil | Where 'boot to maemo' can mean just the kernel | 04:35 |
| SpeedEvil | and an init script | 04:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | if Nokia decides to swap NOLO for something more restrictive, then you'll find yourself with a N900 which is running Nokia kernel *only*, and that kernel does not have or support kexec | 04:36 |
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| EdLin | DocScrutinizer, if Nokia decided to lock-down the N900, the community would be up in arms. | 04:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | for sure. I announced my actions a few lines up | 04:37 |
| EdLin | the Meego devices may not be as open, I don't know, but is Nokia really going to put the genie back in the bottle for N900? | 04:37 |
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| DocScrutinizer | when I asked about that topic on #meego-meeting conference, they were rather closed up high | 04:38 |
| EdLin | all the N900 has is community users, there's less than 100,000 sales. | 04:38 |
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| DocScrutinizer | "that's not meego domain. Depends on manuf's policy" fsck!! | 04:39 |
| EdLin | the carriers don't sell it, it's an unlocked device only. | 04:39 |
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| EdLin | DocScrutinizer, Meego might be a different story than N900, it's much bigger than Nokia/Intel - already non-Nokia/Intel devices have been released. | 04:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | EdLin: seems wrong. I heard of 500k in first <whatever period> | 04:40 |
| EdLin | DocScrutinizer, Reuters ran a story saying less than 100k. | 04:40 |
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| EdLin | 500k is impossible, the most popular Android devices don't have over 1 million and something. | 04:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | c'mon, there's 30k on tmo | 04:41 |
| EdLin | DocScrutinizer, I didn't say a lot less than 100k, 30k on tmo is most of the american sales right there. | 04:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | you can'r convince me about >1/3 of N900 owners are on tmo | 04:41 |
| EdLin | why? It's the only US carrier with 3g for the device. | 04:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | talk.maemo.org | 04:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | not T-Mo | 04:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | and btw you bet max 10% of N900 went to USA | 04:43 |
| EdLin | http://www.maemocommunity.com/798/nokia-n900-sales-below-100000-since-the-release/ | 04:43 |
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| EdLin | I don't know if I should trust your stats, but the 500k figure you give is literally impossible, because the Droid X, the biggest selling android device, sold less than 2 million. | 04:45 |
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| DocScrutinizer | seem t have heard different numbers | 04:45 |
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| asj | EdLin: I think you might under estimate the sales of nokia devices, even the n900 | 04:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, I think I'm pretty sure about the ~30k on talk.maemo.org. And I know from experience how many percentage of users actually engage in such a activity | 04:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer | for sure NOT one out of three | 04:47 |
| EdLin | DocScrutinizer, you're apparently right that I should question the figures Reuters reported, they're from Gartner. | 04:47 |
| EdLin | http://www.slashgear.com/nokia-n900-has-sold-well-in-excess-of-100000-handsets-gartner-figures-seriously-wrong-claims-source-2887458/ | 04:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, there's also N810 owners | 04:47 |
| EdLin | I'm an N810 owner. :) | 04:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | I think they are <20% on tmo | 04:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | the ones that have N8x0 but no N900 | 04:48 |
| EdLin | in the US, over 50% are on tmo. Certainly, unless you like EDGE and higher prices. | 04:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | tmo IS NOT T-Mo | 04:48 |
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| asj | EdLin: the Reusters report was very odd. It wasn't meant to be a high volume device, nin the US it didn't even have carrier subsidy | 04:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | tmo == talk.maemo.org | 04:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer | T-Mo is T-Mobile | 04:49 |
| Ljrn900 | O.o | 04:49 |
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| SpeedEvil | It was 'never' going to sell well in the US, for that reason | 04:49 |
| EdLin | oops | 04:49 |
| EdLin | you can get an n900 on Amazon for $399 now. :) | 04:50 |
| SpeedEvil | new? | 04:50 |
| EdLin | yes | 04:50 |
| Ljrn900 | T-Mo US doesn't even know it exists | 04:50 |
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| EdLin | It's in my budget, I think I'm getting it.... | 04:50 |
| EdLin | I'm tired of using a locked-down Android cliq xt that is stuck at Android 1.5 | 04:50 |
| SpeedEvil | You can even run dosbox, and edlin in it. | 04:51 |
| EdLin | Ljrn900, T-Mo US knows it exists more than AT&T does. ;-) | 04:51 |
| * DocScrutinizer thought edlin is a genuine unix posix command | 04:51 | |
| EdLin | DocScrutinizer, I've been using this nic since 1990 on DOS BBSs. | 04:52 |
| EdLin | nick* | 04:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | ok, edlin is not | 04:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | ed is | 04:52 |
| EdLin | DocScrutinizer, it's a MS-DOS command, not POSIX. | 04:52 |
| EdLin | ed is a lot better than edlin, it has regular expressions! | 04:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | sed etc and siblings of course | 04:53 |
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| DocScrutinizer | yep | 04:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | sorry doing that shit tooooo long | 04:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | mixing things from 1980, prolly Alzheimer | 04:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | anyway jacekowski, find a way to flash a non-signed bootloader, pretty please! | 04:54 |
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| EdLin | does the N810 have any internet radio apps, or do you just have the browser for that? | 04:55 |
| EdLin | oops, n900 | 04:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | n900, sure | 04:55 |
| EdLin | cool | 04:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | go HAM, search 'radio' | 04:55 |
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| * ShadowJK just uses the media player | 04:56 | |
| DocScrutinizer | even that | 04:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer | "Musik" "Video" "Internetradio" "Zufallswiedergabe" (=random play over all categoties, how mad is THAT?) | 04:58 |
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| EdLin | DocScrutinizer, is there a twitter widget for Maemo 5? | 04:59 |
| * DocScrutinizer wonders if it will skip from internet radio to a 2h movie on end of a sonf, or on end of mediastream | 04:59 | |
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| DocScrutinizer | I bet there is, but please check the appropriate website | 04:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://maemo.org/packages/ | 05:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://maemo.org/packages/repository/list/fremantle_extras-devel_free_armel/ even | 05:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | and that's not yet a comprehensive list | 05:01 |
| DangerMaus | lol | 05:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer | for anybody interested and too lazy to do the math: that's 83 pages of 50 pkgs each, plus rubbish | 05:12 |
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| EdLin | DocScrutinizer, I didn't see a twitter widget, only some twitter libraries for a chat client and a media player. :( | 05:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer | don't ask mee, I'm absolutely twitter averse | 05:16 |
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| DocScrutinizer | but maybe you found a opportunity for a groundbreaking new app? | 05:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | probably if there is none, and you ask for it in meamo.org/brainstorms then it takes 2 days for something to hit the repositories | 05:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | or you simply write it yourself | 05:18 |
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| * SpeedEvil uploads hawt gifs. | 05:20 | |
| SpeedEvil | http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_GPS#Accuracy | 05:20 |
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| DocScrutinizer | (read all of the bug carefully) muhaha | 05:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | in my next holiday | 05:22 |
| DangerMaus | bah i just hqave an external bt gps antenna | 05:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | there's no such thing | 05:24 |
| GAN900 | Anybody remember that blog post from somewhere on the internet from a few years ago about that (Russian?) scientist who was experimenting with all sorts of incredibly dangerous stuff ( RST38h?)? | 05:24 |
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| DangerMaus | ? | 05:26 |
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| DocScrutinizer | DangerMaus: maybe you got an external GPS receiver, incl chipset and all. You can't tehter an antenna via BT | 05:27 |
| DangerMaus | yeah | 05:28 |
| DangerMaus | reciever | 05:28 |
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| SirSpam | Hello, I just downloaded and installed the Maemo Desktop SDK virtual machine for VirtualBox. Currently, the ubuntu vm can connect to the internet, but it appears that the maemo emulator can not. Did I miss something? | 05:42 |
| zeltak | ok back from dinner :) DocScrutinizer i can say that the wifi locked helped alot :) | 05:43 |
| zeltak | it got a lock in like 2 minutes and was pretty reliable after that.. | 05:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-) | 05:44 |
| zeltak | on the way back without the wifi lock it took forever to get a lock and wasnt so reliable but its an improvment from before :) | 05:44 |
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| zeltak | enyone use conky not as an "app" but on one of the desktops? is that possible at all? | 05:45 |
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| DocScrutinizer | in such situation it seems to help if you got a GSM registration so location lib can get the country, maybe even BTS tower. No real need for data connection, but the lib gets confused when no clue on which continent | 05:46 |
| zeltak | i see | 05:46 |
| EdLin | SirSpam, is /etc/resolv.conf ok in both ubuntu and the sandbox? | 05:48 |
| SirSpam | EdLin: How would I know if it's correct? Sorry, Linux is not my main O/S. I just got this virtual machine image from the website. | 05:50 |
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| SirSpam | it appears to be correct. The nameserver has the correct ip for my router | 05:52 |
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| EdLin | SirSpam, it's identical for both the sandbox and the main system? | 05:56 |
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| SirSpam | EdLin: I'm running Windows 7 as my host system. Then VirtualBox is hosting the Maemo SDK, then the Maemo SDK is hosting the ESbox for the actual maemo install.. | 06:03 |
| SirSpam | So I can't compare the files, but the ip addresses are correct | 06:03 |
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| SirSpam | the Maemo SDK (Ubuntu Image) can browse the internet. It's just the ESbox thing can't. | 06:05 |
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| luke-jr | is it possible to reset trackerd? | 06:08 |
| luke-jr | mine must be corrupt or something, since it never finishes and never knows about my media | 06:08 |
| luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: no such thing? I have an external Bluetooth charger, why wouldn't the same principles apply to antenna? | 06:09 |
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| SpeedEvil | yes | 06:16 |
| SpeedEvil | rm -rf / | 06:16 |
| SpeedEvil | err | 06:16 |
| SpeedEvil | /home/user/.tracker/cache or something | 06:16 |
| SpeedEvil | /home/user/.cache/tracker/ | 06:17 |
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| luke-jr | on the other hand, why the heck does trackerd *only* run when I'm using it⁈? | 06:23 |
| SpeedEvil | read the config file | 06:25 |
| SpeedEvil | I've managed to tame it for me. | 06:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer | could we file a bug ticket against that braindamaged concept? | 06:36 |
| asj | DocScrutinizer: if we filed a big against every brain damaged concept we would never get any work done | 06:39 |
| mortini | haha | 06:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | let's figure it, you take three snapshots of your child biking, then want to show it to Mom, and have to pick them out between all the pr0n showing up in the unified pictures view | 06:41 |
| GAN900 | An attitude that's clearly led to an efficient, stable and pleasant-to-use platform. . . . | 06:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's so incredibly daft, there's no words for that | 06:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer | what for we actually got a hirachical filesystem? | 06:44 |
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| DocScrutinizer | we could as well use flat filesystem without any folders, like we got on cpm | 06:45 |
| EdLin | DocScrutinizer, CP/M 2.x had "user", a way to hide files and show them. | 06:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep, 16 afaik | 06:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer | all media goes to user 9 | 06:46 |
| EdLin | DocScrutinizer, you're making my brain hurt, I haven't read a CP/M manual in over 20 years. | 06:47 |
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| EdLin | most of the whippersnappers on the channel are younger than my CP/M manuals. | 06:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | tracker concept & mediaplayer/photos viewer makes *my* brain hurt | 06:49 |
| EdLin | DocScrutinizer, does canola use that stuff? | 06:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer | nope but it has other massive bugs afaik | 06:50 |
| EdLin | DocScrutinizer, when I used my n810 half the time as a glorified iPod, I prefered canola to the default media player. | 06:51 |
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| EdLin | DocScrutinizer, I don't know what the situation's like on the n900, has the default media player gotten better, or maybe canola got worse? ;-) | 06:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | canola for example has no hw acceleration | 06:55 |
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| EdLin | DocScrutinizer, the n810 has no hw acceleration for anything. ;-) | 06:55 |
| CasTTeLLo | hello | 06:55 |
| * dunz0r is quite satisified with the default player in his N900 | 06:55 | |
| EdLin | it's a case then of "canola got worse". | 06:56 |
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| EdLin | or the n900 got better, rather. | 06:56 |
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| CasTTeLLo | hi guys | 06:56 |
| EdLin | hello | 06:56 |
| dunz0r | Hi CasTTeLLo | 06:56 |
| CasTTeLLo | hi dunz0r | 06:57 |
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| DocScrutinizer | also iirc I found the concept in canola on N900 not exactly superior to the braindead tracker idiocy in mediaplayer. At least was so bad I forgot about details | 06:57 |
| CasTTeLLo | so wat is the topic of the day?? | 06:57 |
| CasTTeLLo | heeee | 06:57 |
| * CasTTeLLo :) | 06:57 | |
| EdLin | CasTTeLLo, tracker idiocy in the default media player and CP/M. | 06:57 |
| CasTTeLLo | thanks EdLin | 06:58 |
| CasTTeLLo | gtg | 06:58 |
| EdLin | any time | 06:58 |
| CasTTeLLo | brb | 06:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | CP/M beats tracker - runs circles around it | 06:58 |
| CasTTeLLo | N900 rock! | 06:58 |
| EdLin | I see the topic excites you so much that you're staying around for more. | 06:58 |
| CasTTeLLo | adios | 06:59 |
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| EdLin | DocScrutinizer, yeah, CP/M can really play those MP3s good too. | 06:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | no reason why not | 07:00 |
| EdLin | DocScrutinizer, those Z-80s have terrific math crunching. | 07:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | lol | 07:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I bet a OPAM @ 600MHz can emulate a 250MHz Z80 | 07:01 |
| EdLin | DocScrutinizer, not to mention H264 acceleration, and maybe even some Vorbis acceleration, my memory fails me. | 07:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer | s/OPAM/OMAP | 07:01 |
| EdLin | DocScrutinizer, I bet it'd beat a typical Z-80 system of the day, in emulation, without a problem. | 07:01 |
| EdLin | what did the Z80s stop at, 12Mhz? | 07:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep something like that | 07:02 |
| EdLin | and even then, they had awful clock cycle efficiency. | 07:02 |
| EdLin | like anything intel or intel-based before the 80286. | 07:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer | yeah, 16 cycles for a MUL | 07:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | or 32 | 07:03 |
| EdLin | Z-80 had MUL? | 07:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | sure, 16bit MUL | 07:03 |
| EdLin | hah. | 07:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | no? | 07:03 |
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| EdLin | of course, a 6502 could do some multiplication faster than an 8088 which had a hardware MUL instruction, because it was so bad at it. | 07:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I just remeber CD was call subroutine and C9 was rreturn. Even that might be wrong | 07:04 |
| EdLin | you're right about CD. | 07:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | 0xCD and 0xC9 | 07:04 |
| EdLin | I remember 6502 a bit better than Z-80. | 07:04 |
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| EdLin | 6502 had a good RISC instruction set, as much as one could talk about an 8 bit being RISC. | 07:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | hehe | 07:05 |
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| EdLin | it also had more addressing modes than the 8080. | 07:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep | 07:06 |
| EdLin | I still don't know if I can keep straight indexed indirect and indirect indexed. ;-) | 07:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | but then Z-80 had 2 register banks. Invaluable for ultrafast IRQ service routines | 07:07 |
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| EdLin | DocScrutinizer, what's an IRQ? Something that's better than memory mapped soft switches? | 07:07 |
| EdLin | ;-) | 07:08 |
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| EdLin | the Z-80 was a great controller chip, but a mediocre CPU. The 8088 and it's offspring have been just more and more roccoco on the 8080 foundation. | 07:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | IRQ is a electrically triggered indexed jump to an address that's defined in a table at pos <index> which table start addr offset is in IRQ pointer register | 07:09 |
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| DocScrutinizer | iirc | 07:10 |
| EdLin | DocScrutinizer, you sound like an intel manual. | 07:10 |
| EdLin | or wikipedia | 07:10 |
| EdLin | memory mapped hardware addressing seemed to me to be more elegant, regardless of the value of doing it another way in the embedded sphere at the time. | 07:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | I forgot to add: ... out of arbitrary program text, while current content of PC is pushed on stack before addr from IRQ table is stored to PC | 07:12 |
| EdLin | DocScrutinizer, you're a stack. | 07:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer | or was it like that: the IRQ controller chip supplied an 8 bit IRQ subroutine addr to databus during assertion of IRQ line? | 07:21 |
| * DocScrutinizer shrugs | 07:22 | |
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| DocScrutinizer | prolly no Z-80 out ther anymore nowadays | 07:23 |
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| Macer | haha | 07:31 |
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| Macer | anybody here running morphos? | 07:31 |
| Macer | looks good | 07:32 |
| RST38h | moo all | 07:33 |
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| Macer | hm | 08:01 |
| Macer | http://code.google.com/p/pyrit/ | 08:01 |
| Macer | wonder what kind of numbers a 600MHz omap can crunch out :) | 08:02 |
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| slonopotamus | Macer: ~ twice less than at 1.1GHz :P | 08:11 |
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| slonopotamus | btw, looks like kernel from extras did smth to powersavings. my n900 now works longer | 08:12 |
| slonopotamus | Macer: and, crunching numbers with python is some evil joke. | 08:13 |
| Macer | haha | 08:13 |
| Macer | slonopotamus: maybe you can use gentoo to do it with something else. | 08:14 |
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| Macer | although i think it does some sort of dist type deal but i don't know. i haven't tried it | 08:14 |
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| slonopotamus | i observed python being 100-1000 times slower than C on heavy calculations tasks | 08:15 |
| Macer | it would be nice to send pkts from the n900 to some retarded sized cluster | 08:15 |
| Macer | hey. it has cuda and stream support | 08:15 |
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| Macer | you can just install 4 outrageously overpriced nvidia cards and get massive calculation throughput | 08:15 |
| Macer | :) | 08:16 |
| slonopotamus | Macer: you got cuda on n900? :) | 08:16 |
| Macer | yeah. just waiting on the blob :-P | 08:16 |
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| Macer | there probably is some deactivated nvidia chip in it that can calculate the position of all matter of the universe by taking a picture of one section of the night sky | 08:17 |
| slonopotamus | :) | 08:17 |
| Macer | v2 will do dark matter | 08:18 |
| Macer | maybe do some string theory calculations in order to determine the shape of the mass within an event horizon ... so much potential the n900 has | 08:19 |
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| Macer | i bet meego can do it | 08:22 |
| * Macer hides | 08:22 | |
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| Macer | wow. just realized chrome has tab completion for wikipedia searching :) i can't stand google but love chrome | 08:23 |
| Macer | best browser ever made | 08:23 |
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| MiXu- | Macer: Tab completion? Doesn't work for me. Which version do you have? | 08:28 |
| Macer | in the address bar.. type wiki and hit tab ;) | 08:29 |
| Macer | 5.0.375.125 | 08:29 |
| Macer | i did it by accident | 08:29 |
| Macer | it was like opening a dictionary to the page with the word you were looking for | 08:30 |
| slonopotamus | Macer: i think it was autocomplete from things you searched. | 08:31 |
| MiXu- | for me wiki + hitting tab just goes to wiki.maemo.org :) | 08:31 |
| Macer | slonopotamus: nope. it just does this.... | 08:31 |
| MiXu- | Oo, there's 6.0.447.0 Beta | 08:31 |
| * timeless_mbp finally gets around to rsyncing fremantle1.2 to mxr.meego.org | 08:31 | |
| Macer | Search Wikipedia (en): | 08:31 |
| Jucato_ | slonopotamus: thanks for the pointer last night (a few hours ago?) about the arch problems. seems like there's a bug (or some issue) with libqt4-gui,-webkit, and -xmlpatterns | 08:32 |
| Macer | and you type the thing in that you are looking for | 08:32 |
| Macer | and it goes to the article :) | 08:32 |
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| Macer | MiXu-: try http://www.wikipedi(tab) | 08:32 |
| Macer | heh | 08:32 |
| slonopotamus | Jucato_: for me, it was yesterday, yep :) np | 08:32 |
| Macer | i dunno. mine does it when i just type wikipe(tab) | 08:32 |
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| Jucato_ | slonopotamus: what is this autobuilder you spoke of? I couldn't find a direct reference in the wiki. anything that saves me from a lot of .deb packaging work is very much welcome :) | 08:33 |
| MiXu- | Macer: That doesn't autocomplete at all since I haven't visited that particular url | 08:33 |
| Macer | oh well.. idk ;) works for me... thought it was cool | 08:34 |
| slonopotamus | Jucato_: autobuilder is just a thingie that you upload your package to and it then builds it and (if successful) puts in extras-devel repo | 08:35 |
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| Jucato_ | ah | 08:36 |
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| Jucato_ | I'm not at that level of skill to confidently get my app immediately to extras-devel :) | 08:36 |
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| slonopotamus | Jucato_: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide/Complete (some stuff may not be applicable to maemo, but in general it should give right hints). | 08:41 |
| * Jucato_ wonders how much their doc has changed since he tried packaging when he was still with Kubuntu 3 years ago :) | 08:42 | |
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| slonopotamus | Jucato_: well, if you are a masochist, you can read debian policy manual. | 08:45 |
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| timeless_mbp | anyone here have lsof 4.84? | 08:45 |
| * timeless_mbp wants to know if there's any hint of a fix for rsync "can't identify protocol" in lsof between 4.74 and 4.84 | 08:46 | |
| slonopotamus | timeless_mbp: 4.82 here | 08:47 |
| timeless_mbp | can you try using rsync and seeing if lsof gives you can't identify protocol? | 08:47 |
| timeless_mbp | i'm doing it from one computer to another | 08:47 |
| timeless_mbp | 4.84 is a couple of days old :) | 08:48 |
| slonopotamus | err... rsync and run lsof on it while rsync is running? | 08:48 |
| timeless_mbp | yep | 08:48 |
| timeless_mbp | if necessary, suspend rsync ;-) | 08:48 |
| timeless_mbp | i'm sending a couple of gb from ec2 to dh | 08:49 |
| timeless_mbp | so i don't have to worry about the command going away anytime soon :) | 08:49 |
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| timeless_mbp | http://pastebin.mozilla.org/757228 <- see the last line | 08:51 |
| slonopotamus | timeless_mbp: works ok here | 08:54 |
| timeless_mbp | hrm | 08:55 |
| timeless_mbp | is that over an ip (ssh) link? | 08:55 |
| slonopotamus | over rsync :) | 08:55 |
| timeless_mbp | but is it doing rsync locally? | 08:55 |
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| slonopotamus | no, remote rsync | 08:55 |
| timeless_mbp | ok | 08:55 |
| timeless_mbp | what does it list? | 08:56 |
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| slonopotamus | timeless_mbp: http://dpaste.org/hxP6/ | 08:57 |
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| timeless_mbp | hrm | 08:58 |
| timeless_mbp | you don't have any sock's | 08:58 |
| timeless_mbp | but you have an unix | 08:59 |
| slonopotamus | uh? TCP, one before last | 08:59 |
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| timeless_mbp | yeah, but compare mine | 08:59 |
| slonopotamus | well, two before last | 08:59 |
| timeless_mbp | for me, i'm labeled sock instead of ipv4 | 08:59 |
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| timeless_mbp | is this doing rsync direct to an rsync? | 09:00 |
| timeless_mbp | i'm using rsync over ssh | 09:00 |
| slonopotamus | timeless_mbp: that was plain rsync, yep | 09:00 |
| timeless_mbp | can you try over ssh? | 09:01 |
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| slonopotamus | timeless_mbp: gimme yor ssh public key | 09:03 |
| timeless_mbp | heh, sorry | 09:03 |
| slonopotamus | ? | 09:04 |
| timeless_mbp | you should be able to use rsync ssh to yourself | 09:04 |
| timeless_mbp | oh! | 09:04 |
| * timeless_mbp = stupid | 09:04 | |
| timeless_mbp | http://pastebin.mozilla.org/757234 | 09:04 |
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| slonopotamus | timeless_mbp: ssh timeless@slonopotamus.org (i don't have second box with ssh reachable currently) in order not to pollute hd, you can start rsyncing and ctrl+z it. | 09:11 |
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| timeless_mbp | ok, i think i did that? | 09:13 |
| timeless_mbp | nope | 09:13 |
| * timeless_mbp = stupid | 09:13 | |
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| slonopotamus | Jul 30 10:13:32 seldon sshd[14201]: Accepted publickey for timeless from 184.73.240.82 port 56496 ssh2 | 09:13 |
| timeless_mbp | ok, i think i did that | 09:14 |
| timeless_mbp | is it running enough to have stuff? | 09:14 |
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| slonopotamus | Hul 30 10:13:32 seldon sshd[14201]: pam_unix(sshd:session): session opened for user timeless by (uid=0) | 09:15 |
| slonopotamus | oh noes, now i know your ip :) | 09:15 |
| timeless_mbp | for a public computer? | 09:15 |
| timeless_mbp | that's mxr.moego.org | 09:15 |
| slonopotamus | timeless_mbp: 1.6GB free there. | 09:16 |
| slonopotamus | timeless_mbp: not sure i understand you | 09:16 |
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| timeless_mbp | the ip origin for this session isn't where timeless_mbp is | 09:16 |
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| timeless_mbp | it's a cloud box which is publicly reachable as mxr.moego.org :) | 09:16 |
| * slonopotamus is in a crappy subway, bad coverage | 09:16 | |
| timeless_mbp | so the ip isn't a secret :) | 09:17 |
| slonopotamus | oh :) | 09:17 |
| slonopotamus | timeless_mbp: so ssh and make your experiments with lsof | 09:17 |
| timeless_mbp | oh! | 09:17 |
| timeless_mbp | duh! | 09:17 |
| slonopotamus | timeless_mbp: gcc and stuff is there too, so you can compile other than 4.82 versions | 09:17 |
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| slonopotamus | timeless_mbp: for ex, run rsync-over-ssh from there to your box | 09:18 |
| slonopotamus | timeless_mbp: and check what lsof says on both sides | 09:18 |
| timeless_mbp | hrm | 09:18 |
| timeless_mbp | good point | 09:18 |
| * timeless_mbp is getting slow | 09:18 | |
| slonopotamus | okay, you were assigned pts/2. use it with care. | 09:19 |
| slonopotamus | :P | 09:20 |
| timeless_mbp | heh | 09:20 |
| timeless_mbp | sorry, slightly distracted | 09:20 |
| * timeless_mbp is trying to update sources somewhere | 09:20 | |
| slonopotamus | timeless_mbp: why you need lsof anyway? :) | 09:20 |
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| timeless_mbp | i just use it to see what's going on | 09:21 |
| timeless_mbp | it takes less effort than ps + ls /proc/.../fd (oops missing -l, ...) | 09:21 |
| slonopotamus | timeless_mbp: and something's wrong with rsync? | 09:21 |
| timeless_mbp | well, i never remember to give arguments -v to rsync | 09:21 |
| timeless_mbp | so i don't know what it's doing on the remote side and want to know if it's doing something useful or stupid | 09:21 |
| timeless_mbp | yes, i could use dry-run | 09:22 |
| timeless_mbp | but i don't | 09:22 |
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| slonopotamus | well, rsync (when given wrong arguments) tends to destroy stuff on target side :) | 09:23 |
| timeless_mbp | yeah... | 09:23 |
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| timeless_mbp | in this case i used rsync -a directory-without-slash host:path/to/parent-of-where-i-wanted-it | 09:23 |
| timeless_mbp | scanning [ <=> ] 3470 THIS REPOSITORY IS NO LONGER IN USE, PLEASE USE | 09:24 |
| timeless_mbp | oh, that's great | 09:24 |
| timeless_mbp | someone doesn't understand how DVCS works | 09:24 |
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| slonopotamus | what's that? :) | 09:25 |
| timeless_mbp | probably a maemo6 repo | 09:25 |
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| timeless_mbp | i have a git clone followed by hg convert | 09:25 |
| timeless_mbp | the 3470 indicates how many changesets from where it is to tip of the repo | 09:25 |
| timeless_mbp | and the text is the first line of the commit message for that changeset | 09:25 |
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| timeless_mbp | i.e. after someone committed that, they made 3470 commits *somewhere* to a repo which included that commit | 09:26 |
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| slonopotamus_ | timeless_mbp: so your goal is to rsync smth or find out when/how lsof broke? | 09:28 |
| slonopotamus_ | (still in subway, meh) | 09:28 |
| timeless_mbp | more or less, i think | 09:28 |
| * timeless_mbp is still at home | 09:28 | |
| timeless_mbp | actually, i think it's to figure out if it's "fixed" | 09:28 |
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| timeless_mbp | or a feature of dh | 09:28 |
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| slonopotamus_ | timeless_mbp: you can't answer that way | 09:29 |
| slonopotamus_ | timeless_mbp: drink some coffee :P | 09:29 |
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| timeless_mbp | ok, the rsync from your computer to dh gives the same message | 09:29 |
| timeless_mbp | as rsync from mxr to dh | 09:30 |
| timeless_mbp | i guess i need to build lsof on dh and figure out if it's broken | 09:30 |
| slonopotamus_ | okay | 09:30 |
| timeless_mbp | ls: reading directory /proc/net/: Invalid argument | 09:30 |
| timeless_mbp | i think dh is "special", as it gives ^^ | 09:31 |
| slonopotamus_ | err | 09:31 |
| slonopotamus_ | /proc mounted at all? | 09:31 |
| timeless_mbp | [sanjay]$ mount|grep proc | 09:31 |
| timeless_mbp | proc on /proc type proc (rw) | 09:31 |
| timeless_mbp | none on /proc/sys/fs/binfmt_misc type binfmt_misc (rw) | 09:31 |
| slonopotamus_ | some weird kind of vm? | 09:31 |
| timeless_mbp | i think the design is to prevent one user from snooping on another and stuff | 09:32 |
| timeless_mbp | not sure if it's based on selinux or what | 09:32 |
| timeless_mbp | [sanjay]$ mount|grep nfs|wc -l | 09:32 |
| timeless_mbp | 112 | 09:32 |
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| timeless_mbp | those are basically users | 09:33 |
| slonopotamus_ | oh my. | 09:34 |
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| slonopotamus_ | timeless_mbp: as for -v, create shell alias rsync -> rsync -v/-p? | 09:35 |
| slonopotamus_ | or what option it had for progressbar... | 09:35 |
| * RST38h yawns | 09:35 | |
| RST38h | EHLO slonopotamus_ | 09:35 |
| slonopotamus_ | RST38h: ohai | 09:36 |
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| timeless_mbp | http://www.wordiq.com/definition/Charlie_Root | 09:36 |
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| Stskeeps | hm, anyone good with linux run-time linker behaviour? | 09:38 |
| timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: what about it? | 09:39 |
| * timeless_mbp is always good for quirks | 09:39 | |
| Stskeeps | timeless_mbp: i have a package providing /usr/lib/libGLESv2.so.2 and my binary is linked towards /usr/lib/libGLESv2.so | 09:39 |
| Stskeeps | will it find the so.2? | 09:40 |
| timeless_mbp | you'll probably be unhappy | 09:40 |
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| timeless_mbp | generally .so<unversioned> is provided by a -dev package | 09:40 |
| timeless_mbp | so if you install the -dev package, you'll probably be able to use your binary | 09:40 |
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| timeless_mbp | (obviously locally "fixable" by a symlink) | 09:41 |
| Stskeeps | the funny part is that .so (unversioned) is mandated by a specification | 09:41 |
| timeless_mbp | if it's mandated and not provided, then surely some package or distro is buggy? | 09:42 |
| Stskeeps | mm | 09:43 |
| Stskeeps | that's what i'm going with atm | 09:43 |
| timeless_mbp | wfm | 09:43 |
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| RST38h | Stskeeps: Usually you need a symbolic link for that | 09:49 |
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| defragger | is it possible to use | in xterm on maemo? | 10:46 |
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| defragger | weird trick, linux phone without | | 10:46 |
| sulliwan | Sym button | 10:47 |
| Duckboot | ^ what he said | 10:47 |
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| defragger | Sym what? | 10:47 |
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| sulliwan | top left corner of the keyboard :P | 10:47 |
| defragger | yeah i know where it is located | 10:48 |
| sulliwan | blue arrow -> sym | 10:48 |
| defragger | but that wont print pipe | 10:48 |
| frals | fn ctrl to get the popup | 10:48 |
| sulliwan | you get an onscreen keyboard with symbols | 10:48 |
| defragger | ahh i see | 10:48 |
| defragger | hmm doesnt do anything | 10:50 |
| MohammadAG51 | click it twice | 10:50 |
| MohammadAG51 | | | 10:50 |
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| timeless_mbp | defragger: if you install the right keymap you can use blue-EUR to get PIPE | 10:51 |
| timeless_mbp | for me the hebrew keylayout breaks the hkb like that, very handy :) | 10:51 |
| defragger | hehe | 10:51 |
| defragger | sym does nothing for me, do i have to enable something before i can use Sym? | 10:52 |
| stonda | press the blue arrow | 10:52 |
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| stonda | then try pressing the sym button | 10:52 |
| timeless_mbp | sym isn't a button on its own | 10:52 |
| timeless_mbp | you need to trigger blue first | 10:52 |
| defragger | yeah, i know how to reach the blue items on keyboard | 10:52 |
| timeless_mbp | try blue-EUR | 10:52 |
| timeless_mbp | it's possible your keyboard is broken as mine is :) | 10:53 |
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| defragger | hehe nope it prints the euro symbol | 10:53 |
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| harnir | is there a way to set snooze time for less than 5 minutes? | 10:54 |
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| timeless_mbp | set a new alarm? | 10:55 |
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| defragger | is there any additional application needet for that Sym key? | 11:19 |
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| Duckboot | Mmmmm - the joy of a QA-check-friday - On SysAdmin-day... | 11:30 |
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| defragger | which application is needet for the virtual keyboard? | 11:50 |
| jacekowski | none | 11:51 |
| jacekowski | it's in settings | 11:51 |
| defragger | and it should be shown when i press sym in xterm right? | 11:51 |
| Duckboot | defragger: Yep | 11:52 |
| Duckboot | defragger: But remember - Sym ain't a 1 button press | 11:52 |
| defragger | yeah blue arrow and sym key | 11:52 |
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| D-Iivil_Work | _o/ | 12:05 |
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| D-Iivil_Work | Does someone know how changing backgrounds is handled in fremantle? | 12:11 |
| D-Iivil_Work | I mean what is the application that does the changing and can it be launched from terminal? | 12:12 |
| D-Iivil_Work | Just wondering since changing active theme is done by giving commands to /usr/bin/personalisation | 12:12 |
| chem|st | nothing in the wiki? | 12:14 |
| chem|st | something has to trigger a reload so I guess its another /usr/bin/personalisation command (but only guessing) | 12:15 |
| D-Iivil_Work | chem|st, couldn't find anything. Maybe I don't know the right keywords to search for. | 12:15 |
| psycho_oreos | gconftool I believe | 12:15 |
| D-Iivil_Work | chem|st, and personalisation seems only to affect on theme, not backgrounds. | 12:16 |
| psycho_oreos | there was a hack to allow up to 9 homescreens on n900 and the author who made the hack had a detailed description of various things including the changing of the background | 12:16 |
| chem|st | psycho_oreos: gconf is a config storage system nothing triggering | 12:16 |
| chem|st | setting up the right folders and files in gconf is no magic | 12:17 |
| chem|st | the path to the 4 bg are stored where? | 12:17 |
| D-Iivil_Work | Right now I'm doing the background changing by overwriting images under ~/.backgrounds -folder, but that's not the right way to do it. | 12:17 |
| chem|st | to lazy atm | 12:18 |
| jacekowski | as far as i remember | 12:18 |
| jacekowski | you can watch for gconf changes | 12:18 |
| psycho_oreos | /home/user/.backgrounds | 12:18 |
| D-Iivil_Work | The in-built background changer does something else than just copies images to that folder. | 12:18 |
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| jacekowski | D-Iivil_Work: built-in | 12:18 |
| jacekowski | read the source code | 12:19 |
| jacekowski | it's all there | 12:19 |
| D-Iivil_Work | jacekowski, source code of what? | 12:19 |
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| psycho_oreos | gconftool-2 -s /apps/osso/hildon-desktop/views/5/bg-image -t string /home/user/MyDocs/.images/image.jpg | 12:21 |
| jacekowski | hildon-desktop | 12:21 |
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| D-Iivil_Work | psycho_oreos, thanks. Where did you took that? | 12:22 |
| D-Iivil_Work | jacekowski, didn't know hildon-desktop is open source | 12:22 |
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| psycho_oreos | D-Iivil_Work, http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=724809&postcount=183 <--- same info off the guy who hacked up for 9 homescreens on n900, dunno if that will work on normal n900 :) | 12:23 |
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| * crashanddie salutes the crowd | 12:24 | |
| crashanddie | Howzit going, furballs? | 12:24 |
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| chem|st | crashanddie: how do you know that name!?!?!??%$§"! | 12:31 |
| chem|st | ;) | 12:32 |
| chem|st | gut und dir? | 12:32 |
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| crashanddie | sehr gut, danke | 12:34 |
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| defragger | when you install scim you will break your virtual keyboard :D | 12:34 |
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| crashanddie | chem|st: wo wohnst du? | 12:40 |
| chem|st | kaiserslautern | 12:40 |
| crashanddie | chem|st: wo ist das? | 12:43 |
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| chem|st | mannheim links | 12:43 |
| crashanddie | in Deutschland erwarte ich. | 12:44 |
| chem|st | ja | 12:44 |
| chem|st | ganz im westen kurz vor saarland | 12:44 |
| crashanddie | ok | 12:45 |
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| crashanddie | Entschuldigung fur mein schlechtes Deutsch... Ich habe kein Deutsch gesprochen in eine sehr lange Zeit. | 12:46 |
| chem|st | kein thema | 12:46 |
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| chem|st | und der hannesw kommt aus tirol | 12:46 |
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| hannesw | chem|st kennen wir uns? | 12:47 |
| chem|st | where are you from crashanddie | 12:47 |
| chem|st | hannesw: nope | 12:47 |
| crashanddie | Aber lardman hat ein sehr gutes Niveau! Haben sie jemals mit ihm gesprochen? | 12:47 |
| chem|st | aber nen landsmann riech ich auf 1000km gegen den wind... | 12:47 |
| hannesw | komme genauer gesagt aus südtirol | 12:48 |
| crashanddie | chem|st: you bastard! | 12:48 |
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| crashanddie | Don't say that about lardy :P | 12:48 |
| chem|st | crashanddie: landsmann means citizen | 12:48 |
| crashanddie | oh, crap. I misread that for lardman :P | 12:48 |
| chem|st | no it doesnt but thats the word that came to my mind wierd | 12:48 |
| MohammadAG51 | LOL | 12:48 |
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| crashanddie | I live in France at the moment... Spent some time in London and Australia, chem|st | 12:49 |
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| chem|st | fellow countryman | 12:49 |
| chem|st | where in france? | 12:49 |
| crashanddie | I read that as "I can smell lardman from a thousand miles, even if the wind blows in the other direction" | 12:49 |
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| crashanddie | Which was mildly insulting. | 12:50 |
| chem|st | hehe | 12:50 |
| crashanddie | south of France | 12:50 |
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| chem|st | provence or the other side? | 12:51 |
| crashanddie | more south than the provence | 12:53 |
| crashanddie | about 50km from Spain, 15km from the mediteranean | 12:53 |
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| crashanddie | Jo no soc catala, pero Quim Gil es sens dubte! | 12:54 |
| crashanddie | Pero ell ve des de l'altre costat de la frontera. | 12:55 |
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| MohammadAG51 | This is an english only channel, english or i'll rape your ass | 12:56 |
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| crashanddie | Go ahead :) | 12:58 |
| crashanddie | PM in 3... 2... 1... | 12:58 |
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| sig^ | >_> | 12:59 |
| Duckboot | o.O | 12:59 |
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| timeless_mbp | crashanddie: hey, looks like i get to officially work on smart cards next week | 13:01 |
| timeless_mbp | :) | 13:01 |
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| crashanddie | timeless_mbp: sweet :) | 13:03 |
| timeless_mbp | i could start today, but i think i need to spend the day getting everything set up | 13:04 |
| * timeless_mbp pokes qt | 13:04 | |
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| MohammadAG51 | <crashanddie> PM in 3... 2... 1... | 13:12 |
| MohammadAG51 | you didn't get one, haha :P | 13:12 |
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| crashanddie | Did too | 13:15 |
| crashanddie | <MohammadAG51> you bastard! | 13:16 |
| Duckboot | crashanddie: Screenshot or it didn't happen ;-P | 13:17 |
| crashanddie | I'm using screen, no screenshot available | 13:18 |
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| crashanddie | but no, indeed, I didn't get a PM | 13:20 |
| crashanddie | probably because MohammadAG51 was jerking off as he was the center of attention again :P | 13:21 |
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| Duckboot | Hehe | 13:21 |
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| crashanddie | damn, rendering a 100mpix image wasn't such a good idea, after all | 13:24 |
| MohammadAG51 | 100mpix porn? | 13:24 |
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| crashanddie | if you're into castles, it can be porn | 13:25 |
| D-Iivil_Work | crashanddie, you're gonna print out a 1:1 sized image of castle? | 13:26 |
| D-Iivil_Work | with 180dpi resolution? :D | 13:26 |
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| rmrfchik | zoomed one | 13:26 |
| crashanddie | I said rendering, not printing. | 13:26 |
| D-Iivil_Work | crashanddie, first you render the image, then send it out for printing. | 13:26 |
| crashanddie | Nha | 13:27 |
| rmrfchik | then burned | 13:27 |
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| D-Iivil_Work | crashanddie, that's the only situation where I think you would need a 100mpix bitmap image :P | 13:27 |
| crashanddie | well, yesterday I took over a 100 pics of a castle | 13:27 |
| crashanddie | I'm now building a composite | 13:27 |
| crashanddie | Just want to get a nice level of detail | 13:28 |
| crashanddie | though the barrel distortion is quite bad | 13:28 |
| nomis | crashanddie: hugin to the rescue! | 13:28 |
| crashanddie | nha, autostitch ftw | 13:28 |
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| crashanddie | (that being said, I'm not actually rendering it on the N900 :P thank god) | 13:29 |
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| * crashanddie sings a song to his mbp "Swap baby swap, you know you liiiike it... Swap it baby swap!" | 13:32 | |
| timeless_mbp | heh | 13:33 |
| timeless_mbp | my mac is trying to tell me to get more ram | 13:33 |
| timeless_mbp | and to get the guys who "fixed" the display to fix the connection to the display :( | 13:34 |
| crashanddie | if only safari could use less than 700MB of ram | 13:34 |
| timeless_mbp | adium is using 600mb here | 13:34 |
| timeless_mbp | safari with all of 2 windows (no extra tabs) is using 250mb | 13:34 |
| timeless_mbp | quicksilver is using 165mb | 13:34 |
| * rmrfchik is looking for good email reader for maemo. | 13:35 | |
| timeless_mbp | note that i normally try to avoid safari, it's slow, painful, and does a good job of not doing what i want ™ | 13:35 |
| timeless_mbp | rmrfchik: gmail in the browser | 13:35 |
| crashanddie | gmail in opera | 13:35 |
| timeless_mbp | crashanddie: did you install the latest os update? | 13:35 |
| crashanddie | timeless_mbp: nope | 13:35 |
| timeless_mbp | ok, "gmail in any browser" | 13:35 |
| rmrfchik | timeless_mbp: I have accounts not in google | 13:35 |
| rmrfchik | timeless_mbp: work account is one of them | 13:36 |
| timeless_mbp | rmrfchik: google can fix that :) | 13:36 |
| timeless_mbp | for work, MfE is pretty good | 13:36 |
| timeless_mbp | in 1.2 it includes calendaring | 13:36 |
| timeless_mbp | not perfect, but not bad for a simple mail client | 13:36 |
| rmrfchik | no expose work mail to internetz | 13:36 |
| timeless_mbp | yeah yeah | 13:36 |
| timeless_mbp | stupid corporate policies, we all die by them | 13:36 |
| * rmrfchik want to save email text or select it somehow | 13:36 | |
| timeless_mbp | hold shift? | 13:37 |
| timeless_mbp | yep, just hold shift and start dragging | 13:37 |
| timeless_mbp | that'll let you select text | 13:37 |
| crashanddie | DocScrutinizer51: what'd'you do to infobot again? | 13:37 |
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| timeless_mbp | heh, you can't safe email messages | 13:38 |
| rmrfchik | timeless_mbp: thanks. good tip | 13:38 |
| timeless_mbp | rmrfchik: please file a bug in bugs.maemo.org about that | 13:38 |
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| timeless_mbp | it's obviously not something people thought about | 13:38 |
| crashanddie | MohammadAG51 & DocScrutinizer51: are your nicknames so because you both come from the same area? | 13:38 |
| rmrfchik | at least I can ctr-c that | 13:38 |
| timeless_mbp | but if you put it on their radar as a customer, they might think abotu it | 13:38 |
| timeless_mbp | s/tu/ut/ | 13:38 |
| rmrfchik | timeless_mbp: well. I'm too sceptic about fixing bugs in maemo :( | 13:38 |
| timeless_mbp | err | 13:39 |
| rmrfchik | but sure I will fire | 13:39 |
| rmrfchik | but sure I will file | 13:39 |
| timeless_mbp | please understand. filing bugs is for the future | 13:39 |
| crashanddie | "fire at will on bugs" | 13:39 |
| rmrfchik | MeeGo? | 13:39 |
| timeless_mbp | the odds of something being fixed for maemo5 are of course terrible | 13:39 |
| rmrfchik | crashanddie: ;) | 13:39 |
| timeless_mbp | but they could be fixed in .next | 13:39 |
| timeless_mbp | Modest is open source though | 13:39 |
| jacekowski | oh, really? | 13:39 |
| rmrfchik | Ahh.. no, I don't care in Nokia products anymore. N900 is last | 13:39 |
| timeless_mbp | so if you want it in Maemo, you can just check out the source, write the code, submit the patch | 13:39 |
| timeless_mbp | jacekowski: really | 13:39 |
| jacekowski | i was thinking that modest was closed | 13:39 |
| crashanddie | of course not | 13:40 |
| jacekowski | that's nice | 13:40 |
| timeless_mbp | http://mxr.moego.org/fremantle12/source/modest/ | 13:40 |
| rmrfchik | http://modest.garage.maemo.org/ | 13:40 |
| rmrfchik | heh | 13:40 |
| timeless_mbp | that is in the middle of moving to mxr.maemo.org, but rsync isn't fast for gb's of data :) | 13:40 |
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| timeless_mbp | kinda sucks that i can't just snap my fingers and move 10gb of data in 1s :( | 13:41 |
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| lcuk | timeless, usb key can fit between finger and thumb and can potentially fly quite far | 13:46 |
| kerio | the question is: move *where*? | 13:47 |
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| Duckboot | Don't ever underestimate the bandwidth of a Taxi loaded with USB-sticks. | 13:47 |
| kerio | because throwing a 1tb hd is not that hard, but it won't fly a long distance | 13:47 |
| Duckboot | kerio: Plate by plate then? | 13:48 |
| kerio | heh | 13:48 |
| Duckboot | Spin'em up - Send'em off | 13:48 |
| kerio | you spin me right round baby right round like a record baby right round round round | 13:50 |
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| Duckboot | Now - off to a weekend filled with Lego Universe. Got my Beta Key the other day. | 13:51 |
| korhojoa | :D | 13:52 |
| korhojoa | awesome | 13:52 |
| crashanddie | timeless: the day you'll be able to do that, you'll be saying "kinda sucks that I can't just snap my fingers and move 10tb of data in 1s :(" | 13:52 |
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| Duckboot | korhojoa: I'm really looking forward to it - Lego MMO should be pretty awesome. | 13:54 |
| korhojoa | i mean, who doesn't think that | 13:54 |
| korhojoa | "damn, i'm all out of yellow 4x1... /msg #trade WTB Y4X1! | 13:54 |
| Duckboot | Hehe | 13:55 |
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| toggles_w | @s | 14:04 |
| markinfo | is it possible to show hidden files in filemanager? | 14:07 |
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| SpeedEvil | markinfo: don't think so. Look at 'cuteexplorer' from extras | 14:45 |
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| BCMM | can one install fcam and wirelesshotspot on the same n900? | 15:01 |
| kerio | probably | 15:02 |
| kerio | recompile the libraries for the kernel-power | 15:02 |
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| crashanddie | GAN900: http://www.flickr.com/photos/slauwers/4842918435/ | 15:03 |
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| BCMM | mobilehotspot, rather | 15:06 |
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| daerni | hello. i run mobile hotspot wothout encrypt on n900 but the linux laptop gets no dhcp | 15:15 |
| daerni | i installed the suggested mobilehotspot kernel also. does anyone here have a suggestion | 15:15 |
| BCMM | i am having difficulting installing kernel-power | 15:17 |
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| BCMM | i;m running the uninstall app that comes with it, but it says "Rrror during deinstallation: Could not install Nokia kernel. | 15:18 |
| BCMM | ^Error, rather | 15:18 |
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| crashanddie | daerni: DHCP is a bonus, you should get it work by correctly configuring the laptop | 15:22 |
| crashanddie | daerni: if you don't (even when configuring the network correctly, there is no connection), then there is a forwarding issue | 15:23 |
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| daerni | thank you. should i be aple to ping n900 wlan0 10.49.76.1 from a client? | 15:27 |
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| BCMM | http://wiki.maemo.org/Kernel_Power#Deinstallation doesn't seem to be workign right either | 15:28 |
| daerni | oops | 15:28 |
| daerni | ok it works from cellphone | 15:30 |
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| daerni | now why is standard linux unable to find hotspot.. probably problem with adhoc mode | 15:34 |
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| daerni | is this channel really this quiet? | 15:49 |
| MohammadAG51 | recently yes | 15:49 |
| * MohammadAG51 starts a discussion | 15:49 | |
| E0x | no more pr1.2 ask | 15:49 |
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| E0x | that is why | 15:49 |
| MohammadAG51 | can i install windows 8 on my N900? | 15:49 |
| timeless | it gets louder when some of us are around | 15:49 |
| E0x | MohammadAG51: only bill gate can | 15:49 |
| timeless | we don't read tea leaves, stop asking! | 15:50 |
| MohammadAG51 | E0x, so bill gates is chuck norris? | 15:50 |
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| timeless | no, but he can buy him :) | 15:50 |
| daerni | the amount of apps now is impressive | 15:50 |
| SwedeMike | do we know if they're going to be any major update after 1.2 + | 15:50 |
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| timeless | swedemike: define major | 15:50 |
| E0x | MohammadAG51: maybe , or a ninja | 15:50 |
| timeless | there's an update which people in this channel have been working on | 15:51 |
| daerni | do any of you have a script to connect to mobile hotspot? | 15:51 |
| timeless | i have no idea what the schedule is, but it should include a newer ver of Qt | 15:51 |
| SwedeMike | timeless: well, with new features like integrated msn (like skype is), 1.1 -> 1.2 had quite a lot of new features, I consider that "major" | 15:51 |
| timeless | 1.2 included a new ver of Qt | 15:51 |
| timeless | if you think of that as sufficient requirements, then the next update will probably also be major | 15:52 |
| E0x | talking about bug , what do you guys think about this: the 2 button in the phone app ( select contact and Dialling pad ) will not better if they stay fixed when you scroll down the call history ? | 15:52 |
| timeless | if you don't think that's sufficient, i suspect you'll be disappointed | 15:52 |
| kerio | integrated msn? | 15:52 |
| drizztbsd | why nokia does not allow to install an ovi app with apt-get? | 15:52 |
| timeless | drizztbsd: to prevent people from giving away the repository? | 15:52 |
| timeless | in debian, there's nothing wrong w/ mirroring a repository | 15:53 |
| timeless | in a store, that's bad for business | 15:53 |
| drizztbsd | btw I had to install aptitude to do it :) | 15:53 |
| kerio | and that's why ovi fails | 15:53 |
| jacekowski | MohammadAG51: you can with qemu | 15:53 |
| timeless | thief? | 15:53 |
| drizztbsd | since the .install files does not want to work | 15:53 |
| jacekowski | MohammadAG51: but it will be slooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooow | 15:53 |
| SwedeMike | hm, the pecan-plugin seems to integrate things nicely though, showed up a lot of "no name" people in my contact list though :P | 15:54 |
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| kerio | qemu rulz | 15:55 |
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| markinfo | is there some CPU usage graph app? (for diablo) | 15:56 |
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| mobile_telephone | can maps find everything that google maps can? | 15:59 |
| mobile_telephone | or does the maemo program get addresses etc from another source? | 16:00 |
| MohammadAG51 | another source | 16:00 |
| mirf | google maps is better | 16:01 |
| SpeedEvil | google is not most accurate in all areas. | 16:01 |
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| mirf | no but it has more information | 16:01 |
| mirf | rather depends what you need it for | 16:01 |
| mirf | general navigating nokia maps is better | 16:02 |
| timeless | always drive carefully and pay attention to the local signage | 16:02 |
| mirf | but for finding out what is around you , can't beat google | 16:02 |
| mirf | google even has bus stops on it :) | 16:02 |
| timeless | don't assume that just because the computer tells you there's a bridge , that there's a bridge you're allowed to taked | 16:02 |
| SpeedEvil | timeless: Don't be silly. Get with the new technology. | 16:02 |
| timeless | s/d$// | 16:02 |
| mobile_telephone | so basically use the browser and go to google maps | 16:02 |
| * SpeedEvil drives confidently over a cliff. | 16:02 | |
| timeless | mobile: get Maep | 16:02 |
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| mobile_telephone | got it | 16:03 |
| mirf | there is a plugin calle maemo geo locatino or something | 16:03 |
| timeless | or Mappero | 16:03 |
| mirf | that will allow google maps to interface with gps | 16:03 |
| timeless | mirf: that's integrated in 1.2 | 16:03 |
| mobile_telephone | i need directiona | 16:03 |
| mirf | is it :D | 16:03 |
| mirf | nice | 16:03 |
| timeless | sadly i liked the extension version better, but oh well | 16:03 |
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| mobile_telephone | and it seems like google maps is the only one where you could, for example, enter the name of a popular store and it shows you the closest ones | 16:03 |
| mirf | yeah | 16:04 |
| mobile_telephone | so do you guys just use the browser for that? | 16:04 |
| jacekowski | btw. is search in maps working? | 16:04 |
| jacekowski | because i never saw it work | 16:04 |
| jacekowski | and i'm not sure if it's me or it's just broken | 16:04 |
| Toxaris_on_mobil | hello. question, anyone know why I cant open MMS in FMMS? strange | 16:04 |
| timeless | mobile: yeah, i use maps.google.com/maps/m/ | 16:04 |
| daerni | mirf, we should get some google maps client | 16:04 |
| mobile_telephone | maps feels so slow,, esp to update location | 16:04 |
| mirf | yes! | 16:04 |
| jacekowski | i mean, it's not working at all and all i get is message that search is unavaliable | 16:04 |
| mirf | I wholly agree | 16:04 |
| mirf | or a plugin for maemo maps.. | 16:05 |
| mirf | but i dunno how viable that is | 16:05 |
| E0x | jacekowski: ovi map ? | 16:05 |
| jacekowski | yes | 16:05 |
| mobile_telephone | check out viking | 16:05 |
| daerni | or make ovi maps cheat and use google features | 16:05 |
| timeless | jacekowski: what country? | 16:05 |
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| jacekowski | UK | 16:05 |
| mobile_telephone | that is the only OSS app that had it working i think | 16:05 |
| E0x | jacekowski: i use mappero only | 16:05 |
| mobile_telephone | google told them to stop | 16:05 |
| E0x | ovi map don't have my contry data | 16:05 |
| E0x | mobile_telephone: to who ? | 16:06 |
| E0x | mappero ? | 16:06 |
| BCMM | mappero can use google | 16:07 |
| mobile_telephone | no viking | 16:07 |
| mobile_telephone | read above | 16:08 |
| Toxaris_on_mobil | hello. question, anyone know why I cant open MMS in FMMS? strange | 16:08 |
| mobile_telephone | mappero can find everything google maps can? | 16:08 |
| timeless | so... | 16:08 |
| E0x | ah | 16:08 |
| timeless | i just zoomed my n900 over london | 16:08 |
| timeless | and searched for 'Big Ben" | 16:08 |
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| timeless | it took me to "Houses Of Parliament" | 16:08 |
| timeless | which i'm told is correct | 16:08 |
| E0x | i not sure how mappero work ( i was looking the doc but never find it ) | 16:08 |
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| timeless | this is w/ Ovi Maps (the integrated app) | 16:09 |
| E0x | but the search only get cordenates | 16:09 |
| SpeedEvil | timeless: yes - big ben is the bell, not the cock tower. It's the bell in the clock tower in the houses of parliament. | 16:09 |
| timeless | speedevil: i sure hope parliament wouldn't have a Cock tower =b | 16:10 |
| timeless | but, my point is that "Search works" | 16:10 |
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| SpeedEvil | timeless: Ooops. :) | 16:10 |
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| daerni | mirf, share your music | 16:13 |
| mirf | msuic? | 16:13 |
| mirf | how you knwo I'm lsitening? | 16:13 |
| mirf | *listening | 16:14 |
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| SpeedEvil | np: Florence And the Machine - My Boy Builds Coffins | 16:15 |
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| sig^ | what's libhildonwidgets? It seems many other people in the nets have problems with it but no one knows where to get it from... | 16:17 |
| timeless | try the sdk? | 16:18 |
| sig^ | I'm trying to get cgoban for N900 | 16:18 |
| albanc | it would be good to play go on the network | 16:18 |
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| BCMM | sig^: that would rock | 16:18 |
| SpeedEvil | hmm | 16:19 |
| SpeedEvil | 'Not enough space in application install memory' - this is /home/opt isn't it? | 16:19 |
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| timeless | i think libhildonwidgets is maemo3 or older | 16:21 |
| SpeedEvil | ah - maybe it's that it'd take it below 95% | 16:21 |
| timeless | http://lists.evolvis.org/pipermail/jalimo-commits/2008-January/000257.html | 16:22 |
| timeless | make hildon variant compatible with maemo4 ( libhildon instead of libhildonwidgets ) | 16:22 |
| timeless | /home/opt isn't something that HAM knows about | 16:23 |
| timeless | so when it reports errors, it's almost certainly talking about / | 16:23 |
| SpeedEvil | hmm | 16:24 |
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| mirf | daerni: what you on abuot? | 16:40 |
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| mirf | oops, pm | 16:40 |
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| SpeedEvil | Odd. | 16:47 |
| SpeedEvil | Powertop shows lots of interrupts, CPU at 600MHz 50% of the time, and nothing on top | 16:48 |
| lmoura | X-Fade: hi neils, could you promote python-all (-maemo4) to extras? | 16:48 |
| lmoura | "python" from the same source package was promoted automatically and broke python-all, as it depends on the exact version of python | 16:48 |
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| SpeedEvil | IRQ# | Activity | Type | Name | 16:54 |
| SpeedEvil | --------+------------+----------------+--------------------------- | 16:54 |
| SpeedEvil | 37 | 639 | INTC | gp | 16:54 |
| SpeedEvil | anyone any idea wat this IRQ is? | 16:54 |
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| mortini | lspci -vv | 16:55 |
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| Stskeeps | SpeedEvil: accelerometer? gpio? | 16:55 |
| SpeedEvil | Sigh. | 16:56 |
| SpeedEvil | I should complete the hw docs with the interrupts. | 16:56 |
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| * SpeedEvil tries a reboot | 16:56 | |
| alterego | I'd guess gpio .. | 16:58 |
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| SpeedEvil | yeah - but why is it interrupting | 16:59 |
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| SpeedEvil | Okaaay - it's still doing it after a reboot. | 17:00 |
| SpeedEvil | So it must be one of the 800 packages I've installed. | 17:00 |
| jacekowski | what's wrong with interrupting interrupts | 17:01 |
| jacekowski | interrupts are supposed to interrupt | 17:01 |
| SpeedEvil | yes. | 17:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | idiot sh-helbo trying to use nick infobot, and locks the nick for 60min, after 30s of failing to register | 17:01 |
| SpeedEvil | But not enough to keep the CPU at C0 for 14% of the time | 17:01 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: you can release lock | 17:01 |
| jacekowski | /msg nickserv release nick password | 17:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | I can't | 17:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | I don't know the <password> as it's not my account | 17:02 |
| jacekowski | ah | 17:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | /ns info infobot | 17:02 |
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| jacekowski | then we're in shit | 17:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer | yep | 17:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer | /whowas infobot | 17:04 |
| jacekowski | 16:05 [freenode] -!- InfoBot [~SH-HelpBo@irc.speedyhosts.net] | 17:05 |
| jacekowski | 16:05 [freenode] -!- was : The #SpeedyHosts IRC Help Bot | 17:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | mhm | 17:06 |
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| Khertan_ | Hi ! | 17:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer | [2010-07-30 13:05:15] [Notify] InfoBot ist online (irc.freenode.org). | 17:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer | [2010-07-30 13:40:01] [Notify] InfoBot ist online (irc.freenode.org). | 17:07 |
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| Khertan_ | Can i ask to someone with maemo extra upload to push py2deb to extras ? | 17:07 |
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| jacekowski | no | 17:07 |
| Khertan_ | ok | 17:07 |
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| jacekowski | package has to be promoted there | 17:07 |
| Khertan_ | yes i mean extras-devel :) | 17:07 |
| jacekowski | ahh | 17:07 |
| Khertan_ | I see some things in maemo wiki that let me think user didn't bother to use my repository | 17:08 |
| jacekowski | i could but i don't like python | 17:08 |
| Khertan_ | v | 17:08 |
| Khertan_ | 1 march 2010 Py2deb is broken. It creates an incorrect bug tracker link for your package in extras. You can solve the bugtracker issue easily by editing /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/py2deb.py line 382 changing it from: bugtrackerstr = "XSBC-Bugtracker: %s" % ( self.xsbc_bugtracker ) into bugtrackerstr = self.xsbc_bugtracker | 17:08 |
| Khertan_ | it s just false .. it s just that new version isn't in maemo extras-* | 17:09 |
| chem|st | Khertan_: that is fine so no python-blurb gets promoted to extras | 17:09 |
| Khertan_ | chem|st: haha | 17:09 |
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| Khertan_ | chem|st: haha | 17:09 |
| Khertan_ | chem|st: remove python and you can remove all extras repository too | 17:10 |
| Khertan_ | chem|st: most app are done in py | 17:10 |
| Khertan_ | :) | 17:10 |
| jacekowski | how do you boot phone with flasher with non stock kernel | 17:10 |
| jacekowski | withouf lashing | 17:10 |
| jacekowski | flashing* | 17:10 |
| Khertan_ | in python : import flasher_without_flashing | 17:11 |
| Khertan_ | :) | 17:11 |
| chem|st | Khertan_: ? I try to not install stuff I want to use frequently to be python | 17:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | [2010-07-30 16:10:38] [Notify] InfoBot ist online (irc.freenode.org). | 17:11 |
| Khertan_ | chem|st: oh so you are just using xterm ? | 17:11 |
| Khertan_ | :) | 17:12 |
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| chem|st | Khertan_: yes | 17:12 |
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| Khertan_ | it s can be done with python too :) | 17:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | [2010-07-30 16:11:02] [Notify] InfoBot ist offline (irc.freenode.org). | 17:12 |
| chem|st | and irssi and mutt and screen and mocp and top and htop | 17:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | >:-( | 17:12 |
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| chem|st | Khertan_: just because I am able to do anything with css people do with jscript doesn't mean it is good to do so! | 17:13 |
| Khertan_ | chem|st: exactly | 17:13 |
| chem|st | nowadays you could do it that way as it doesn't matter if a website is several MB but go 8 years back in time... | 17:14 |
| SpeedEvil | method call sender=:1.581 -> dest=org.freedesktop.DBus serial=1 path=/org/freedesktop/DBus; interface=org.freedesktop.DBus; member=Hello | 17:16 |
| SpeedEvil | signal sender=org.freedesktop.DBus -> dest=(null destination) serial=660 path=/org/freedesktop/DBus; interface=org.freedesktop.DBus; member=NameOwnerChanged | 17:16 |
| SpeedEvil | ny thoughts hat this might be? | 17:17 |
| SpeedEvil | any | 17:17 |
| crashanddie | X-Fade: http://www.flickr.com/photos/slauwers/4842918435/ | 17:17 |
| SpeedEvil | something is calling it once a second | 17:17 |
| SpeedEvil | the sender varies - indeed increments. | 17:17 |
| SpeedEvil | how can I tell what process is doing this? | 17:17 |
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| Dieterbe | i notice when i upload pictures to FB using the built-in image sharing service on the n900, the image is rotated in the wrong way. it looks as if FB strips the exif tags (they are gone when i view the image in the browser), but does not apply the rotation. is this a problem with FB or is the maemo uploader supposed to rotate the images before submitting? | 17:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | which - on a sidenote - has been exactly what I asked some 20..40h ago: how to find process from sender? | 17:24 |
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| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: It's quite annoying. | 17:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes | 17:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: system or session? | 17:25 |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: _everything_ wakes up to listen to this message and work out 'it's not for me' | 17:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | not that I could tell anything from it | 17:25 |
| rlinfati | Hi, someone upload a libsdl-mixer1.2 to extras-devel, and it's in conflict with the nokia version... http://maemo.org/packages/view/libsdl-mixer1.2/ | 17:26 |
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| SpeedEvil | I get a different message once a second on system and session | 17:27 |
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| Dieterbe | hmm. got a bug for my issue https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9511 | 17:28 |
| povbot | Bug 9511: Images taken with N900, after rotated, can't be uploaded in the correct orientation using Facebook sharing service | 17:28 |
| chem|st | oh as I hear mixer... how do I set the earpiece volume control to use a higher maximum? | 17:28 |
| chem|st | Dieterbe: seems like fb uploads everything in landscape even if rotated from the camera while captured | 17:29 |
| chem|st | think that is an exif problem of FB | 17:30 |
| zeltak | morning guys :) are there alternatives to the default terminal? | 17:30 |
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| chem|st | zeltak: you mean something else than busybox? | 17:30 |
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| chem|st | or the shell? | 17:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: lsfsor | 17:31 |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: ? | 17:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: ...should know how to get process from sender | 17:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | FSO | 17:32 |
| SpeedEvil | not found | 17:32 |
| SpeedEvil | ah | 17:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's python iirc | 17:32 |
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| n900-space | hi guys | 17:35 |
| n900-space | quick question | 17:35 |
| SpeedEvil | 43 | 17:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | 42 | 17:35 |
| mortini | 41 | 17:36 |
| n900-space | need to completely wash anything on n900, and flash it with pr1.2. | 17:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | use mild detergent | 17:36 |
| ToJa92 | [n900-space]: Well to wash it put it in a washing machine ;) | 17:36 |
| SpeedEvil | Take the battery out first though. | 17:36 |
| SpeedEvil | And put it on boil wash. | 17:36 |
| SpeedEvil | Remember to use colour-safe powder, or you risk fading the screen. | 17:37 |
| SpeedEvil | I forgot, and now everything is pastel. | 17:37 |
| zeltak | chem|st: i meant the actuall terminal :) was wondering if there were alternatives | 17:38 |
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| jacekowski | wash it and flash it | 17:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: pid = dbusi.GetConnectionUnixProcessID(s) | 17:40 |
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| SpeedEvil | sigh | 17:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | google for lsfsor | 17:40 |
| SpeedEvil | yeah | 17:40 |
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| n900-space_ | hi again | 17:41 |
| n900-space_ | got dc | 17:41 |
| n900-space_ | as i was saying | 17:41 |
| n900-space_ | wash everything from n900 :) | 17:41 |
| SpeedEvil | why? | 17:41 |
| markinfo | I have installed opera browser. But all link from Emails are still through original Browser opened. How to change it? | 17:41 |
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| n900-space_ | becuz there are lots of things not working on my n900 since i installed pr1.2 | 17:42 |
| zeltak | also i stuipdly transferd my .bashrc from my nix machine over to /home/usr and overan the default one...sice then i cant get my aliases to work (using bash of course) do you guy use aliases without a problem? | 17:42 |
| jacekowski | n900-space_: use colour safe bleach | 17:42 |
| n900-space_ | for example, the photos are not listed in the photos | 17:42 |
| n900-space_ | plus songs and videos are not listed | 17:42 |
| jacekowski | flash it | 17:42 |
| n900-space_ | the "browserd" starts running randomly takes all the processing and drains battery | 17:43 |
| jacekowski | fiasco + emmc flash | 17:43 |
| n900-space_ | i have to 'kill' it from console | 17:43 |
| n900-space_ | etc | 17:43 |
| jacekowski | browserd is supposed to run all the time | 17:43 |
| n900-space_ | i want to complete remove/format everything | 17:43 |
| n900-space_ | start from scratch | 17:43 |
| jacekowski | ~flashing | 17:43 |
| * DocScrutinizer sighs... no infobot | 17:43 | |
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| infobot_ | i heard flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 17:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | duh | 17:43 |
| n900-space_ | yea it is supposed to but its not supposed to take 99% of the processing when no browser window is open | 17:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~status | 17:44 |
| infobot_ | Since Fri Jul 30 13:05:31 2010, there have been 0 modifications, 1 question, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 0 commands. I have been awake for 1h 39m 19s this session, and currently reference 117188 factoids. I'm using about 15728 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 23.12/2.15 child 0/0.01 | 17:44 |
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| DocScrutinizer | \o/ | 17:46 |
| kerio | browserd also does maps and conversations | 17:46 |
| kerio | so yeah | 17:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~botsnack | 17:46 |
| infobot_ | thanks, DocScrutinizer | 17:46 |
| kerio | ~botsnack | 17:46 |
| kerio | ~docsnack | 17:46 |
| jacekowski | ~slap DocScrutinizer | 17:46 |
| * infobot_ slaps DocScrutinizer, keep your grubby fingers to yourself! | 17:46 | |
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| n900-space_ | jacekowski: its says if i have a production unit, i shud not format emmc, and contact nokia | 17:48 |
| n900-space_ | what do you suggest jacekowski | 17:48 |
| jacekowski | format != flash | 17:48 |
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| chem|st | zeltak: nope afaik | 17:48 |
| n900-space_ | sorry i meant flash jacekowski , used the wrong word | 17:49 |
| n900-space_ | jacekowski: check: "Flasing the eMMC resets the MyDocs folder contents to factory settings. N900 users don't need to reflash the eMMC of their device. If you are reading this it's probably because you got a pre-production device e.g. in the Maemo Summit. If you have a sales unit and you have problems with your eMMC you should contact Nokia Care." | 17:49 |
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| jacekowski | n900-space_: just flash it | 17:49 |
| zeltak | thx chem|st | 17:50 |
| jacekowski | n900-space_: if you want to wipe it completly | 17:50 |
| n900-space_ | yes wipe it completely | 17:50 |
| jacekowski | n900-space_: emmc and fiasco at the sime time | 17:50 |
| jacekowski | n900-space_: don't reboot in between | 17:50 |
| n900-space_ | flash with the fiascogen | 17:50 |
| kerio | without rebooting | 17:50 |
| n900-space_ | ok | 17:50 |
| jacekowski | no | 17:50 |
| n900-space_ | yea , as the wiki says | 17:50 |
| jacekowski | without fiascogen | 17:50 |
| jacekowski | just with normal maemo flasher from tablet-dev website | 17:50 |
| jacekowski | with latest fiasco and emmc images | 17:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer | infobot_: botsnack | 17:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-P | 17:52 |
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| n900-space_ | hmm | 17:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | infobot: botsnack | 17:52 |
| infobot_ | DocScrutinizer: thanks | 17:52 |
| kerio | !botsnack | 17:52 |
| kerio | :( | 17:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | apt: botsnack | 17:53 |
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| crashanddie | ~botsnack | 17:54 |
| infobot_ | thanks, crashanddie | 17:54 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer: botsnack | 17:54 |
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| pigeon | does anyone know the name of the foursquare n900 client which is not BarrioSquare? | 17:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer | cotchin? | 18:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://www.google.de/search?hl=de&q=foursquare+n900+-barriosquare&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai= | 18:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer | sorry, no idea at all what foursquare really is | 18:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer | just testing a theory that your question can be translated 1:1 to a google query | 18:02 |
| pigeon | hehe | 18:02 |
| pigeon | i forgot about the - syntax | 18:03 |
| pigeon | thanks | 18:03 |
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| Dieterbe | chem|st: yeah i think FB just plainly ignores the exif tags | 18:18 |
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| smhar | how to copy text or link to clipboard in Firefox in N900? | 18:22 |
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| frals | uhm whats the version string of pr1.2? | 18:24 |
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| ToJa92 | [frals]: I'd check it for you but for some reason the about dialog shows <unknown> version. | 18:25 |
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| GAN900 | 10.2010.19-frals_sucks | 18:27 |
| frals | thanks | 18:28 |
| frals | :) | 18:28 |
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| Stskeeps | frals: i'm not retarded but he deserves a second chance.. some people only understand violence | 18:31 |
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| frals | yeah, i just noticed the ip myself :p | 18:31 |
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| Stskeeps | frals: and mind-numbing conversation / smalltalk is horrible to trolls who think they're hiding | 18:34 |
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| frals | ^^ | 18:34 |
| GAN900 | Ha | 18:35 |
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| Stskeeps | i mean, we tamed luke-jr eventually :p | 18:35 |
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| smhar | I want to download Nokia Qt SDK for debian, but is it really 557mb download?! | 18:40 |
| Stskeeps | how big is visual studio again? | 18:40 |
| mortini | 4mb | 18:40 |
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| achipa | smhar: if you don't need all components, go for the online version, it will download only what you select | 18:40 |
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| joga | hmm... what's this now... I received an sms with a timestamp of 18:17, and then replied immediately, but my response is timestamped 18:08 | 18:42 |
| frals | phone time vs smsc time | 18:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm, let's see if in ~30 min infobot reclaims her primary nick | 18:43 |
| joga | could smsc be so off? | 18:43 |
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| kerio | ~botsnack | 18:44 |
| infobot_ | thanks, kerio | 18:44 |
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| slonopotamus | joga: incoming time is not your phone time. | 18:44 |
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| joga | slonopotamus, ok. to me it would seem more reasonable to show the time the phone received it but I guess it wouldn't be good in all cases | 18:45 |
| kerio | it would make sense | 18:45 |
| kerio | that's why it's not done that way | 18:45 |
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| slonopotamus | joga: there is a bugreport about that | 18:45 |
| joga | ok | 18:45 |
| joga | I'm off to sauna now :) | 18:45 |
| slonopotamus | actually sometimes you want to know both send and receive times. | 18:45 |
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| toggles_w | user/FOO ! | 18:49 |
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| jacekowski | Stskeeps: vs expres is about 150M | 18:51 |
| jacekowski | Stskeeps: full visual studio is about 300 | 18:51 |
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| timeless | fwiw, mxr.maemo.org/fremantle12/ will be live sometime sunday | 19:10 |
| timeless | the sources copied over today, but the index is still moving | 19:10 |
| timeless | (it's currently available from http://mxr.moego.org/fremantle12/ if people are in a hurry) | 19:11 |
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| DrIDK | hello! WHERE do I need to copy my icon to use it for my hildon application? I m calling icon from my desktop file. But I do not know where to copy it | 19:20 |
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| fragment | DrIDK: /usr/share/icons/hicolor/scalable/hildon/ | 19:23 |
| kerio | why do i sometimes get applications with no icon, especially the freshly installed ones? | 19:24 |
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| kerio | is there a way to force a reload of the icons without rebooting? | 19:24 |
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| kerio | ~docsnack | 19:25 |
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| DrIDK | fragment: so it must be an svg icon ?? | 19:25 |
| fragment | DrIDK: png | 19:25 |
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| fragment | kerio: dunno. originally there was some kind of icon cache but it was removed and the icons still act like there was a cache.. | 19:25 |
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| DrIDK | fragment: witch size ? | 19:25 |
| fragment | DrIDK: the desktop icon is 64x64. app manager icon is 48x48 | 19:26 |
| DrIDK | fragment: but there is one folder... | 19:26 |
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| fragment | DrIDK: huh?:) | 19:27 |
| DrIDK | fragment: I have an icon 64x64. called : vlc-remote.png.. You said me to copy in : /scalable/hildon... Is it for desktop icon or app manager icon ? | 19:28 |
| fragment | DrIDK: desktop icon. | 19:28 |
| fragment | DrIDK: the app manager icon is put into the .deb control file | 19:29 |
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| fragment | DrIDK: but if you are not making an installer package, then you don't have to worry about the app manager icon | 19:30 |
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| DrIDK | fragment: I m making a package using qtcreator2 | 19:31 |
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| DrIDK | fragment: so, I m going to wait the community help! Let's go to upload my first version | 19:31 |
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| tripzero | :S | 19:42 |
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| Stskeeps | infobot=docscrutinizer? i knew it! | 19:42 |
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| DocScrutinizer | idiotic joke of some ibot sysop | 19:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: please kickban on #meego | 19:43 |
| Stskeeps | kickban the infobot? :P | 19:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer | kickban DocScrutinizer_ | 19:43 |
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| alterego | Anyone come across a good way to do a screencast | 19:47 |
| alterego | ximagesrc doesn't seem to like me .. | 19:47 |
| alterego | And x11vnc is way too laggy | 19:47 |
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| MohammadAG51 | get a 800x480 camcorder, solder it onto something and make it record the N900's screen | 19:48 |
| alterego | fff | 19:48 |
| alterego | Not good enough. | 19:48 |
| MohammadAG51 | tv out | 19:48 |
| * alterego looks for prices of video digitizer dongles. | 19:48 | |
| ShadowJK | or get something with composite input ;-D | 19:48 |
| alterego | Yeah, I Was jus thinking that. | 19:49 |
| MohammadAG51 | on a related note | 19:49 |
| alterego | Still, it'd be nice if ximagesrc would work nice .. | 19:49 |
| MohammadAG51 | why does vnc suck more than closed logmein crap | 19:49 |
| Stskeeps | alterego: didn't load applet have a screencast thing? | 19:49 |
| ShadowJK | I haven't found any screencast software that works with decent fps on my quad core PC, so I'm not that hopeful for something that'd work on 600MHz ARM.. | 19:49 |
| MohammadAG51 | Stskeeps, too slow tbh | 19:49 |
| alterego | There's some really annoying aspects to gstreamer on the N900 | 19:49 |
| alterego | like the alpha plugin doesn't work. | 19:50 |
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| alterego | I just wannt show case my app base code. | 19:50 |
| alterego | :( | 19:50 |
| MohammadAG51 | record the N900? | 19:51 |
| FIQ | i set my computer to 800x600 just to test and it ran pretty fine then | 19:51 |
| FIQ | runned* | 19:51 |
| alterego | I've used recordmydesktop for recording specific windows fine ... | 19:52 |
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| DrIDK | do Someone want to package my application :http://vcs.maemo.org/git/vlc-remote/?p=vlc-remote;a=summary ? | 19:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ~ping | 19:57 |
| apt | ~pong | 19:57 |
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| alterego | Hrm, maybe an SVG would be good for rendering my track log .. | 20:04 |
| alterego | Nice for saaving too .. | 20:04 |
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| johnsq | Hi | 20:05 |
| Arkenoi | what is recommended jabber conferences client for maemo? | 20:05 |
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| LuciusMare | Hello, I installed fmms, but it didn't work for me, so i removed it again, but the internet connection called "mms" still stays there, and it can't be removed - how to remove it. | 20:12 |
| LuciusMare | ? | 20:12 |
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| tripzero | LuciusMare, if you ignore it, it's as good as gone ;) | 20:14 |
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| tripzero | j/k, i'm really not sure how to remove it | 20:15 |
| LuciusMare | I ignore it, but my autoconnection doesn't :/ | 20:15 |
| ShadowJK | can you delete it in internet connections? | 20:15 |
| tripzero | you can also make it not autoconnect in the same settings | 20:15 |
| LuciusMare | nope, it can't be removed this way, it's button is gray | 20:15 |
| TomaszD | Stskeeps, ordered a used 1920x1200 15,4 inch screen :) | 20:16 |
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| LuciusMare | tripzero: oh, can I? I can't find it | 20:17 |
| luke-jr | Stskeeps: but I was never a troll ☺ | 20:19 |
| luke-jr | Stskeeps: trolls don't have a point to make | 20:19 |
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| LuciusMare | Hm, maybe I could delete it manually... Does the connections app store it's configuration in a file somewhere? | 20:22 |
| Stskeeps | TomaszD: to plug into the joggler? ;p | 20:22 |
| TomaszD | nah | 20:22 |
| Stskeeps | luke-jr: ;p | 20:22 |
| TomaszD | replace my laptop screen | 20:22 |
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| luke-jr | Stskeeps: also, I'm not exactly happy with the N810 situation any more now than I was then :P | 20:24 |
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| luke-jr | the only key changes to me recently IMO are 1) Nokia sent me a N900, and I can't whine about what I never paid for; 2) I see the N900 has significant value to others who might not want the same thing I do :p | 20:24 |
| luke-jr | point 2 is why I've actually been able to suggest it to people I know | 20:25 |
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| h4xordood | heya :) | 20:38 |
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| h4xordood | from past 2 days i am trying repair corrupted 16gb micro sd | 20:39 |
| h4xordood | computer doesnt reads it | 20:39 |
| h4xordood | when i connect n900 with this card inserted it says its 30.6 mb | 20:39 |
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| h4xordood | o_O | 20:40 |
| h4xordood | try to format it says cannot format | 20:40 |
| h4xordood | should i through this card now ? | 20:40 |
| h4xordood | :( | 20:40 |
| LuciusMare | Does the connections app store it's configuration in a file somewhere? | 20:41 |
| LuciusMare | h4xordood: are you using linux or windows? | 20:42 |
| crashanddie | h4xordood: fdisk it, trash the partition, create new one, format | 20:42 |
| h4xordood | i have both :) | 20:42 |
| h4xordood | computer doesnt read that card | 20:43 |
| h4xordood | only n900 can read it | 20:43 |
| h4xordood | but not read its contents | 20:43 |
| h4xordood | n900 shows me /dev/mmcblk1 | 20:43 |
| h4xordood | only this device | 20:43 |
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| h4xordood | so i can use sfdisk only | 20:43 |
| h4xordood | :( | 20:43 |
| LuciusMare | what does "dmesg|tail" say after connecting it to your linux? | 20:44 |
| h4xordood | though this card is 16gb but its says its 30.6 mb | 20:44 |
| h4xordood | LuciusMare, okay wait i reboot to linux | 20:44 |
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| h4xordood | LuciusMare: dmesg | tail | 20:48 |
| h4xordood | mmc0: error -110 whilst initialising SD card | 20:48 |
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| tbaars | just dmesg should work | 20:49 |
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| tbaars | or mount | 20:49 |
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| h4xordood | how ? | 20:50 |
| h4xordood | mount /dev/mmc /mnt | 20:50 |
| h4xordood | ? | 20:50 |
| tbaars | fuser -k | 20:51 |
| tbaars | or umount -l | 20:52 |
| tbaars | after, the dmesg or mount | 20:52 |
| tbaars | ur choice | 20:52 |
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| LuciusMare | h4xordood: no messages regarding "/dev"ices? | 20:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | hehe | 20:54 |
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| DocScrutinizer_ | hehehe | 20:54 |
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| DocScrutinizer__ | hehehehe | 20:54 |
| * tbaars Burps | 20:54 | |
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| LuciusMare | hehe | 20:55 |
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| Hehe | Hehe | 20:55 |
| h4xordood | mmc0: error -110 whilst initialising SD card | 20:55 |
| LuciusMare | tbaars! | 20:55 |
| Hehe | What?! | 20:55 |
| h4xordood | how can i mount corrupted sd card | 20:55 |
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| LuciusMare | h4xordood: with a hammer | 20:55 |
| h4xordood | ha :D | 20:55 |
| Me | stop! | 20:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah, but did you ever get THAT: [2010-07-30 18:59:50] [Whois] DocScrutinizer_ ist ~infobot@rikers.org (TimRiker's infobot) | 20:55 |
| crashanddie | h4xordood: what did I tell you? | 20:55 |
| Me | help the guy! | 20:56 |
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| * You are an idiot. | 20:56 | |
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| * Guest75591 I'm not! | 20:56 | |
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| tbaars | why? | 20:56 |
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| crashanddie | please stop it | 20:57 |
| crashanddie | or you'll be banned | 20:57 |
| tbaars | OK, sorry | 20:57 |
| LuciusMare | that was so gentle | 20:57 |
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| LuciusMare | h4xordood: okay, I think that the card might be lost | 20:57 |
| LuciusMare | but again, no messages in dmesg regarding /dev? | 20:58 |
| h4xordood | so i should through away now ? | 20:58 |
| crashanddie | "throw" | 20:58 |
| crashanddie | h4xordood: I told you what to do | 20:58 |
| h4xordood | mmcblk0: mmc0:d555 SD032 30.6 MiB | 20:58 |
| h4xordood | mmcblk0: unknown partition table | 20:58 |
| h4xordood | mmc0: card d555 removed | 20:58 |
| crashanddie | h4xordood: fdisk it, remove the partition, create a new one, format that new partition | 20:58 |
| h4xordood | mmc0: error -110 whilst initialising SD card | 20:58 |
| tbaars | umount -l /dev/mmcblk0 | 20:58 |
| h4xordood | crashanddie: but system is not recongnising | 20:59 |
| tbaars | mount /dev/mmcblk0 | 20:59 |
| crashanddie | h4xordood: sure it does | 20:59 |
| h4xordood | it doesnt show me device | 20:59 |
| crashanddie | h4xordood: ls /dev/mmc* | 20:59 |
| h4xordood | mount: can't find /dev/mmcblk0 in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab | 20:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | h4xordood: dd if=/dev/null of=/dev/mmcblkX bs=1M count=18000 | 20:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer | h4xordood: this will completely erase the card | 21:00 |
| LuciusMare | :O | 21:00 |
| LuciusMare | erm | 21:00 |
| LuciusMare | It will not | 21:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | then try to fdisk patition and mkfs format it | 21:00 |
| LuciusMare | /dev/null gives afaik no usable output | 21:00 |
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| h4xordood | okay i try from phone | 21:00 |
| LuciusMare | unlike /dev/zero | 21:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | sorry /dev/zero | 21:01 |
| JackBeSlow | Is there any work on skype video chat working on the n900? | 21:01 |
| h4xordood | because in phones terminal i see /dev/mmcblk1 | 21:01 |
| frals | so hmm | 21:01 |
| LuciusMare | JackBeSlow: I have the button right now, but I haven't tried it yet | 21:01 |
| frals | is anything going to break horribly if i only flash the emmc? | 21:01 |
| JackBeSlow | Last I heard it didn't but I was hoping that would be resolved by now. Google searching brings up only old forum posts. | 21:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | h4xordood: good | 21:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | h4xordood: do it | 21:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | h4xordood: if you get IO errors prior to finishing writing to end of card, then card is broken | 21:02 |
| JackBeSlow | LuciusMare: Would you mind testing it? It's the main thing holding me back from blowing a pay check on an n900. | 21:02 |
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| cehteh | http://singularityhub.com/2010/07/29/exclusive-i-used-blindtype-virtual-keyboard-of-the-future/ seen that? nice .. | 21:03 |
| LuciusMare | JackBeSlow: I am now on gprs, I highly doubt it would work | 21:03 |
| JackBeSlow | ah, bummer. | 21:03 |
| crashanddie | brb | 21:04 |
| JackBeSlow | Thanks anyway. | 21:04 |
| cehteh | patent pending .. not so nice | 21:05 |
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| ShadowJK | frals, yep. | 21:06 |
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| frals | doh | 21:07 |
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| JackBeSlow | Well found an article that says it was added in PR 1.2 so as well as a youtube video of it working. So I am excited. | 21:07 |
| ShadowJK | frals, on first boot, stuff is moved from rootfs to emmc. If you wipe emmc, that stuff is no longer there | 21:07 |
| LuciusMare | JackBeSlow: well, I have 1.2, so I can confirm it is at least implemented | 21:08 |
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| ShadowJK | It'll still start, but the lack of fonts and themes is the first thing you'll notice, and then it starts crashing :) | 21:08 |
| frals | bah | 21:08 |
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| frals | oh well, noticed flasher still doesnt work on my win7 x64 machine so ill just flash it all at work on monday :P | 21:08 |
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| h4xordood_ | i have 16 GB msd but it shows total capacity 30.6 mb | 21:11 |
| h4xordood_ | :\ | 21:11 |
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| h4xordood_ | i did dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/mmcblk1 bs=1M count=18000 | 21:11 |
| h4xordood_ | but still it shows 30 mb | 21:11 |
| johnsq | time to get a new one | 21:12 |
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| h4xordood_ | i bought this 2 days back :( | 21:18 |
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| crashand1ie_ | then use warranty | 21:18 |
| crashand1ie_ | numbnuts | 21:18 |
| Ljrn900 | (insert rant about BME here) | 21:18 |
| h4xordood_ | without waranty | 21:18 |
| crashand1ie_ | of course you have warranty | 21:18 |
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| Ljrn900 | do I, I wonder? | 21:18 |
| Ljrn900 | anyhow, back to my rant.... | 21:19 |
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| Ljrn900 | apparently BME decided to stop charging my battery a few hours ago | 21:20 |
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| Ljrn900 | so now it's like 20% | 21:20 |
| Ljrn900 | :( | 21:20 |
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| ShadowJK | It only does a few retries on failing input source | 21:21 |
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| h4xordood_ | okay i get some info | 21:24 |
| h4xordood_ | connected n900 on linux it shows on /dev/sdc | 21:24 |
| crashanddie | h4xordood_: then fdisk /dev/sdc | 21:25 |
| h4xordood_ | invalid flag 0x0000 of partition table 4 will be corrected by w(rite) | 21:26 |
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| crashanddie | then write it | 21:27 |
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| crashanddie | h4xordood_: do a p first | 21:27 |
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| crashanddie | h4xordood_: and see what kind of table you have | 21:27 |
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| JackBeSlow | Any word on whether Nokia will update the flash player? I'm not asking when, just if it's ever going to happen or if 9.4 is the end. | 21:28 |
| crashanddie | JackBeSlow: when we know about it, you'll know about it | 21:28 |
| JackBeSlow | ha, ok. | 21:28 |
| JackBeSlow | Just checking. | 21:28 |
| h4xordood_ | Disk /dev/sdc: 32 MB, 32096256 bytes | 21:29 |
| h4xordood_ | 1 heads, 62 sectors/track, 1011 cylinders | 21:29 |
| h4xordood_ | Units = cylinders of 62 * 512 = 31744 bytes | 21:29 |
| h4xordood_ | Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes | 21:29 |
| h4xordood_ | I/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes | 21:29 |
| h4xordood_ | Disk identifier: 0x415ffa70 | 21:30 |
| crashanddie | h4xordood_: don't paste in here please | 21:30 |
| h4xordood_ | if 16 gb then cyliner should be 1936 | 21:30 |
| h4xordood_ | crashanddie: sorry | 21:30 |
| h4xordood_ | next time i wont | 21:30 |
| crashanddie | 32MB | 21:30 |
| crashanddie | the partition is correct | 21:30 |
| crashanddie | are you just you didn't get conned? | 21:30 |
| h4xordood_ | but its 16gb micro sd | 21:30 |
| crashanddie | Where did you buy it? | 21:30 |
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| h4xordood_ | FAT: bogus number of reserved sectors | 21:39 |
| h4xordood_ | now dmesg | tail shows this | 21:39 |
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| Ljrn900 | shadowjk it wasn't failing | 21:41 |
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| DrIDK | I was following this tuto : http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=457064&postcount=28 But I have always this error : http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=457064&postcount=28 | 21:46 |
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| DrIDK | rgis error : Currently there is no top level Makefile | 21:46 |
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| DrIDK | this error ( sorry) : "Currently there is no top level Makefile" | 21:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | Ljrn900: bme usually doesn't decide to "stop charging". It's more likely it decided to stop working at all | 21:47 |
| ShadowJK | he left :P | 21:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | Ljrn900: try `root; stop bme; start bme` | 21:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer | oops | 21:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer | meh | 21:47 |
| * DocScrutinizer too | 21:47 | |
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| * DrIDK is wondering why it's harder to packaging than developping.... | 21:59 | |
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| gyerot | I can't ping .local domain on my n900; avahi works, I can access my phone using n900.local address, anybody knows how to enable this on the phone? | 22:07 |
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| psycho_oreos | maybe dns issue | 22:10 |
| gyerot | I've added mdns4_minimal and mdns4 to /etc/nsswitch.conf, but nothing changed | 22:10 |
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| mgedmin | gyerot, do you have libnss-mdns installed? | 22:17 |
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| mgedmin | I don't think it even exists for maemo5 | 22:17 |
| gyerot | no, it's not in the repos | 22:17 |
| gyerot | http://forums.internettablettalk.com/showthread.php?p=236885 - I think this should solve this... | 22:18 |
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| DrIDK | and what does it mean : gpg: skipped secret key not available ? | 22:19 |
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| gyerot | and it works! mgedmin, thanks for pointing in the right direction :) | 22:20 |
| mgedmin | whoa, whoa, whoa! | 22:20 |
| mgedmin | tell me where you found libnss-mdns! | 22:20 |
| mgedmin | apt-cache policy | 22:20 |
| gyerot | http://forums.internettablettalk.com/showthread.php?p=236885 | 22:20 |
| gyerot | you can get it on this page | 22:20 |
| gyerot | it's from Debian Armel | 22:21 |
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| mgedmin | it's not in any repository? | 22:28 |
| mgedmin | damn :( | 22:28 |
| gyerot | I guess it's in Diablo... someone could put it in extras for fremantle | 22:28 |
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| gyerot | it installed cleanly in my PR1.2 and works as intended | 22:29 |
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| * mgedmin bookmarks for latter investigation | 22:30 | |
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| DrIDK | !! please help.....! :( :( ! https://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/vlcremote_0.1-1/armel.build.log.FAILED.txt | 22:33 |
| steinex | i just added extras-testing and extras-devel to my sources and enabled apt-pinning so i don't upgrade to unstable versions | 22:35 |
| steinex | after weeeeeks | 22:35 |
| steinex | so much apps :D | 22:35 |
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| SpeedEvil | ssh root@phone | 22:36 |
| SpeedEvil | powertop | 22:36 |
| SpeedEvil | bugger | 22:37 |
| SpeedEvil | I should open my eyes more often. | 22:37 |
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| luke-jr | ShadowJK: nm, it was | 23:00 |
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| luke-jr | I forgot I took it off charger then on this morning to see battery level -.- | 23:01 |
| luke-jr | anyhow, N900 survived over an hour with 0% :p | 23:01 |
| luke-jr | (Offline Mode + killall trackerd) | 23:01 |
| gyerot | anybody knows some nice folder icons for apmefo? | 23:01 |
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| SpeedEvil | http://linux.slashdot.org/story/10/07/30/1855203/Tribalism-Is-the-Enemy-Within-Says-Shuttleworth ++ | 23:07 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ~ping | 23:10 |
| infobot | ~pong | 23:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | \o/ | 23:10 |
| technomike | I am trying to unrar a rar file on my n900. I have installed both Xarchiver and File Roller, each to no success. They say unsupported archive. Any ideas? I have just gone to try 7zip which I am sure I seen the other day in the app manager but its not there now. | 23:11 |
| SpeedEvil | 7zips are not rars | 23:11 |
| SpeedEvil | have you tried unrar? | 23:12 |
| technomike | 7zip supports rars | 23:12 |
| SpeedEvil | a | 23:12 |
| SpeedEvil | I'd just install unrar, which works for me | 23:12 |
| technomike | Nope not yet. Good idea haha *smacks head* - The obvious option, I totally forgot to try! :-P | 23:12 |
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| technomike | Ah so you have actually had luck unraring on your n900 with the unrar app? | 23:13 |
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| SpeedEvil | yes - it works fine - unrared several ebooks | 23:14 |
| technomike | brilliant | 23:14 |
| technomike | thanks alot :) | 23:14 |
| DrIDK | http://simplest-image-hosting.net/jpg-0-plasma-desktoppa8290 ( Left : this is me : vlcremotte ) Right ( another qt application..) All is same expect the last line | 23:14 |
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| alterego | DrIDK: I don't think you've submitted a clean root | 23:19 |
| alterego | for your application | 23:19 |
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| nox- | moin | 23:31 |
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| DrIDK | alterego: can you show me a "control" file example from debian rep ? | 23:34 |
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| alterego | The problem is your rules file not your control file. | 23:35 |
| nox- | which repo is it that has things like less, traceroute, script, p7zip(?), (un)zip? | 23:37 |
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| SpeedEvil | tools I think | 23:37 |
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| SpeedEvil | http://maemo.org/packages/view/traceroute/ | 23:38 |
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| E0x | http://blog.ksplice.com/2010/07/learning-by-doing-writing-your-own-traceroute-in-8-easy-steps/ | 23:42 |
| nox- | thx SpeedEvil ill try | 23:43 |
| johnsq | iih python | 23:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer | another kind request for some 5 testers to please give http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/starhash-enabler/0.2/ a review and thumb vote :-) | 23:51 |
| nox- | hm do you have a deb line for tools SpeedEvil? | 23:52 |
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| DocScrutinizer | barisione: could I be right that custom-ringtones breaks vibrator? | 23:56 |
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| jacekowski | have you seen latest topgear episode with cameron diaz? | 23:57 |
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| SpeedEvil | yes | 23:59 |
| SpeedEvil | jacekowski: yes | 23:59 |
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