| zeltak | btw what cool programs do you guys use on the cli? on my nix machine i use alot of ncurses programs (ncmpcpp,weechat,tasks etc..) | 00:00 |
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| zeltak | wondering if there are any cool ones for the n900? | 00:00 |
| * lcuk tries to stay away from the console where possible | 00:00 | |
| lcuk | oh crap | 00:00 |
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| ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer, that's ILMD - ILMD/8 :) | 00:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Cycle Count since Learning: 1 Total Cycle Count since last full reset: 7 | 00:01 |
| ShadowJK | Last Measured Discharge will only be "right" once it makes a step significantly smaller than previous LMD/8 | 00:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | maybe you're right - just maybe | 00:01 |
| ShadowJK | read the datasheet | 00:02 |
| ShadowJK | it's worded a bit strange though | 00:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer | not for the learning, for the more sane values over all | 00:03 |
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| kerio | GNU\caust1c: hopefully not | 00:03 |
| ShadowJK | when I put BL-5J in after Mugen, it took like half a week of ferocious cycling before bq27200 had learned down to something sensible :) | 00:03 |
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| ShadowJK | It's worse for up-learning, it does nothing at all if the difference is too big | 00:04 |
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| kerio | if you can i guess... buy another battery? | 00:04 |
| kerio | :( | 00:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: we NEED that friggin value for RS | 00:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | the real measured value | 00:04 |
| ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer, iirc SpeedEvil uses 21 or 22 :) | 00:04 |
| ShadowJK | I use a round 20 | 00:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I don't care what anybody uses, I say we need to proerly PROBE it | 00:05 |
| ShadowJK | I first, too, guessed 30 31 or 32 something because it made ILMD and first LMD look "right" | 00:05 |
| jacekowski | hmm it looks like somebody was spreading FUD | 00:05 |
| jacekowski | nolo 2nd isn't signed | 00:05 |
| * DocScrutinizer afk, ttyl | 00:05 | |
| GNU\caust1c | i'm really wondering why the telephone cannot charge without booting :/ | 00:05 |
| jacekowski | only nolo x-loader is signed | 00:06 |
| slonopotamus | so | 00:06 |
| * slonopotamus runs N900 @1.1GHz | 00:06 | |
| slonopotamus | looks stable... | 00:06 |
| jacekowski | your cpu will burn | 00:06 |
| jacekowski | there is special hell | 00:06 |
| jacekowski | for people talking in theatres | 00:06 |
| GNU\caust1c | i guess i'll have to wait 1-2 weeks until i can get a charged battery | 00:06 |
| jacekowski | child molesters | 00:06 |
| jacekowski | and overclockers | 00:06 |
| kerio | GNU\caust1c: ask DocScrutinizer or SpeedEvil | 00:06 |
| ShadowJK | it doesn't burn, it just becomes sand | 00:07 |
| slonopotamus | jacekowski: leave that stuff for small children... | 00:07 |
| kerio | lol | 00:07 |
| kerio | 1.1 is asking for serious trouble | 00:08 |
| kerio | sigsegv aplenty | 00:08 |
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| slonopotamus | kerio: no symptoms for 20 mins already :/ | 00:08 |
| kerio | GNU\caust1c: remove the battery, attach wallcharger, put on battery | 00:09 |
| slonopotamus | now i need mmc overclocker | 00:09 |
| kerio | slonopotamus: lol | 00:09 |
| drizztbsd | slonopotamus: uhm, where do you live? | 00:09 |
| slonopotamus | because hitting swap became much more visible | 00:09 |
| magick777 | what kind of CPU speed would ppl regard as safe? I've stuck with the 850 from the "ideal" config, not sure I want to push it | 00:09 |
| slonopotamus | drizztbsd: at home :/ | 00:09 |
| drizztbsd | country?... | 00:09 |
| GNU\caust1c | this results in the reboot loop | 00:09 |
| slonopotamus | drizztbsd: russia | 00:10 |
| jacekowski | magick777: that processor can run stable at 1GHz | 00:10 |
| ShadowJK | 500 is safe according to the manufacturer. | 00:10 |
| drizztbsd | ah ok, is so cold here | 00:10 |
| jacekowski | magick777: but it drasticaly reduces it's life | 00:10 |
| slonopotamus | drizztbsd: +29 outside currently | 00:10 |
| hqkysq | Hi, need to talk about ppa on maemo please | 00:10 |
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| kerio | magick777: huh... 600? | 00:10 |
| slonopotamus | drizztbsd: up to +34 at noon | 00:10 |
| kerio | like TI said? | 00:10 |
| hqkysq | who already did this? | 00:10 |
| jacekowski | magick777: by drasticaly i mean that there were already cases of dead phones because of OC | 00:10 |
| magick777 | yea, I'm assuming that the kernel-config "ideal" is a good balance... but don't know if that will cause problems long term | 00:11 |
| drizztbsd | 34C or F? :) | 00:11 |
| slonopotamus | C | 00:11 |
| slonopotamus | who uses F anyway | 00:11 |
| kerio | magick777: surely more than the stock settings | 00:11 |
| drizztbsd | americans? :D | 00:11 |
| slonopotamus | drizztbsd: safe to ignore. | 00:11 |
| ShadowJK | kerio, no TI says 500 | 00:11 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer: help for GNU\caust1c? | 00:12 |
| slonopotamus | drizztbsd: let them talk to britains with all their screwed up measure units. | 00:12 |
| magick777 | I know the official answer is 500, the question is what people do in practice... | 00:12 |
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| slonopotamus | magick777: depends on particular piece | 00:13 |
| tripzero | kelvin is the only consistant temperature measuring unit | 00:13 |
| ShadowJK | besides, it's not like stuff stops working or gets unstable immediately once you reach the max. Once you're over this unknown point, the cpu starts degrading while still functionen correctly. Then one day it'll either be unstable at every frequency, or not work at all :) | 00:13 |
| slonopotamus | magick777: mine hangs soon if smart refle is enabled but runs stable @1.1GHz | 00:13 |
| slonopotamus | ShadowJK: stop that FUD | 00:13 |
| kerio | magick777: stock | 00:14 |
| kerio | anything more than that is stupid | 00:14 |
| slonopotamus | ShadowJK: that's like ssd wear-out | 00:14 |
| ShadowJK | yes it is | 00:14 |
| hqkysq | no one install ppa on maemo | 00:14 |
| slonopotamus | everyone is scared, but noone saw it in practice | 00:14 |
| ShadowJK | besides, just extrapolate the datasheet :P | 00:14 |
| magick777 | so the majority opinion is don't o/c at all? | 00:14 |
| tripzero | meh | 00:14 |
| tripzero | o/c if you want | 00:14 |
| tripzero | do what you want! | 00:15 |
| magick777 | I am using fairly conservative settings, not sure I'd go for 1.1 though... so the question is really what ppl get away with long term | 00:15 |
| kerio | magick777: *stock* | 00:15 |
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| * slonopotamus had amd k6-2 @233MHz overclocked up to 400MHz :) that was very impressive gain at that time. | 00:15 | |
| hqkysq | need help !!!! | 00:16 |
| slonopotamus | magick777: believe me, there are lots of pieces in n900 that will die much faster than cpu | 00:16 |
| slonopotamus | hqkysq: wtf is ppa for maemo? | 00:17 |
| magick777 | hrmm, so everyone bar slonopotamus and I is running with limits of 250 & 600? really? | 00:17 |
| hqkysq | PErsonal PAckage Archive | 00:17 |
| tripzero | PersonalPackageArchive? | 00:17 |
| ShadowJK | well datasheet for cpu promises 50 years at 500, 5 years at 600 :) | 00:17 |
| ShadowJK | iirc | 00:18 |
| slonopotamus | hqkysq: i know what's ppa. i asked what's ppa for maemo? | 00:18 |
| tripzero | Personal Package Archive for maemo packages? | 00:18 |
| slonopotamus | ShadowJK: two dots isn't enough | 00:18 |
| hqkysq | I need the packet add-apt-repository | 00:18 |
| hqkysq | but I can't find the source | 00:18 |
| tripzero | hqkysq, maemo doesn't have a ppa system | 00:18 |
| GAN900 | slonopotamus, it's not FUD. :) | 00:18 |
| slonopotamus | hqkysq: there aint any. use app manager | 00:18 |
| slonopotamus | GAN900: prooflink? | 00:19 |
| tripzero | it doesn't use launchpad | 00:19 |
| GAN900 | slonopotamus, please don't spread false promises of safety from harm. | 00:19 |
| hqkysq | I don't find it in app | 00:19 |
| kerio | ShadowJK: 700 = 6 months? | 00:19 |
| kerio | 800 = 18 days | 00:19 |
| slonopotamus | GAN900: hordes of ppl crying around due to N900 cpu burnt away? | 00:19 |
| ShadowJK | who knows :P | 00:19 |
| kerio | 900 = 1.8 days | 00:20 |
| ShadowJK | I've seen people whning maemo is so friggin unstable, and then they've said it can't be overclock because the went back to 600MHz | 00:20 |
| ShadowJK | :P | 00:20 |
| magick777 | I am inclined to distrust 1.1GHz as too high, but I'll bet Nokia is more conservative than I am | 00:20 |
| slonopotamus | kerio: helloo! you can't extrapolate from two measurements. | 00:20 |
| kerio | nokia doesn't want to sell a slow phone | 00:21 |
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| slonopotamus | kerio: it does! | 00:21 |
| kerio | if they could've made it faster, they would've | 00:21 |
| slonopotamus | kerio: how it'll sell next model @800MHz for twice price? | 00:21 |
| kerio | it won't, duh | 00:22 |
| slonopotamus | hw vendors don't want you to use more power than they expect. | 00:22 |
| ShadowJK | Well if the next model comes at .72 or 1.0, then you can probably OC it higher than you can OC N900 :P | 00:22 |
| kerio | do you see a 800mhz n900 for twice the price? | 00:22 |
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| slonopotamus | because it complicates futher sells | 00:22 |
| slonopotamus | ShadowJK: no, why? it could have same cpu | 00:23 |
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| GAN900 | slonopotamus, electromigration. Look it up. | 00:23 |
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| GAN900 | And the next one is expected to have a process shrink. . . . | 00:23 |
| GAN900 | Unless you're talking about Xeons, it's not some grand conspiracy. | 00:24 |
| slonopotamus | that's common practice - make several devices with same hw and programmatically restrict some features on different models | 00:24 |
| slonopotamus | all cell phone industry does that | 00:25 |
| kerio | GAN900: it's the new world order that wants you to have a laggy browser! | 00:25 |
| * kerio runs for his tinfoil hat | 00:25 | |
| slonopotamus | GAN900: theory != practice | 00:25 |
| GAN900 | slonopotamus, electromigration. Look it up. | 00:26 |
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| ShadowJK | slonopotamus, there are like 40 different "Omap 3530", the one in N900 is made for 600MHz overdrive.. There's also a newer 720MHz variant, and then there's probably a dieshrunk version on the way or sampling.. | 00:26 |
| GAN900 | There's a reason TI and Nokia engineers consistently say it's a bad idea. | 00:26 |
| GAN900 | But, hey, it's your money. | 00:26 |
| slonopotamus | (well, actually i got it for free) | 00:26 |
| GAN900 | OMAP3430 in the N900 | 00:26 |
| ShadowJK | oops yeah, 3530 is beagleboard | 00:27 |
| GAN900 | OMAP3630 is 45nm | 00:27 |
| ShadowJK | but same thing :P | 00:27 |
| slonopotamus | GAN900: i looked it up. and? | 00:27 |
| GAN900 | slonopotamus, that's the issue you're dealing with on the N900. | 00:27 |
| GAN900 | ShadowJK, sort of. | 00:27 |
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| GAN900 | Larger ball pitch on the 3530, missing some proprietary stuff, and now it's speed binned. | 00:28 |
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| GAN900 | Or the process has just improved, I guess. | 00:28 |
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| slonopotamus | GAN900: heck, that's the issue you're dealing in anything where electrons move. | 00:28 |
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| slonopotamus | GAN900: do you have _any_ real evidence of n900 cpu damage caused by >600mhz frequency? | 00:30 |
| jacekowski | slonopotamus: yes | 00:30 |
| jacekowski | slonopotamus: there were already cases of dead devices | 00:30 |
| slonopotamus | jacekowski: there were cases of dead devices without overclocking. | 00:31 |
| jacekowski | + failure data from TI | 00:31 |
| jacekowski | and they are not allowed to lie in that kind of whitepapers | 00:31 |
| slonopotamus | jacekowski: were those cases you're talking about _caused_ by overclocking? | 00:31 |
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| jacekowski | slonopotamus: YES | 00:31 |
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| slonopotamus | jacekowski: how it compares in % with devices that died due to falling? :) | 00:32 |
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| jacekowski | i don't have that sort of numbers | 00:33 |
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| * slonopotamus fails to google that cases | 00:34 | |
| slonopotamus | jacekowski: got a link? | 00:34 |
| GNU\caust1c | slonopotamus: do you know the Sudden Northwood Death Syndrome | 00:34 |
| jacekowski | read channel archives | 00:34 |
| slonopotamus | jacekowski: haven't seen anything but "be careful! nokians say overclocking is harmful" | 00:35 |
| ptl | dead by overclocking is an urban legend! | 00:35 |
| ptl | *death | 00:35 |
| slonopotamus | GNU\caust1c: no | 00:36 |
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| ShadowJK | they say even locking N900 to 600 is dangerous :) | 00:36 |
| jacekowski | do whatever you want | 00:36 |
| jacekowski | but it causes much more stress on all components | 00:37 |
| slonopotamus | ShadowJK: as everything that was not officially allowed | 00:37 |
| jacekowski | including small thin tracks buried under couple layers of pcb | 00:37 |
| GNU\caust1c | there seems only to be a german wikipedia page. it was to pentium 4 times and those processors suddenly died when being overclocked. as someone mentioned its caused by http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electromigration | 00:37 |
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| jacekowski | http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/cpu/display/news6375.html | 00:38 |
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| slonopotamus | jacekowski: ... stop theorizing, please. turning n900 on makes more harm than keeping it always off. | 00:38 |
| slonopotamus | and taking it out of your pocket while on street makes MUCH more harm | 00:39 |
| slonopotamus | it can fall, it can be stolen, god knows what else | 00:39 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | n900 is 3530 iirc | 00:40 |
| slonopotamus | jacekowski: that link is totally irrelevant to n900 cpu. | 00:40 |
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| * DocScrutinizer51 kicks ass of autokicker for failing miserably on kicking slonopotamus | 00:40 | |
| slonopotamus | DocScrutinizer: meh, it would be just too boring here. | 00:41 |
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| jacekowski | http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL&_udi=B6V47-47X262P-3R&_user=10&_coverDate=12%2F31%2F1984&_rdoc=1&_fmt=high&_orig=search&_sort=d&_docanchor=&view=c&_acct=C000050221&_version=1&_urlVersion=0&_userid=10&md5=4a9fdf2acdf0d83fcea4de994fb55478 | 00:42 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | without you telling you know better while proving tou know nuttin? sure! | 00:42 |
| ptl | this study is from 26 years ago | 00:43 |
| ptl | wouldn't the parts manufactured today be more reliable? | 00:43 |
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| SpeedEvil | Yes, they are ptl. | 00:43 |
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| slonopotamus | ptl: :) | 00:43 |
| SpeedEvil | ptl: If designed to be. | 00:43 |
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| SpeedEvil | ptl: mobile phone CPUs are intentionally run at the edge, for a number of reasons | 00:44 |
| trem | nite all, sweet dreams | 00:44 |
| cehteh | is electormigration caused by the frequency of the electric field alone? .. to my understanding it needs currents, and heat | 00:44 |
| jacekowski | http://portal.acm.org/citation.cfm?id=1667062.1667066 | 00:44 |
| jacekowski | just currents | 00:45 |
| jacekowski | heat helps | 00:45 |
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| jacekowski | but heat alone can do nothing | 00:45 |
| tripzero | that's not what she said | 00:45 |
| slonopotamus | jacekowski: do you drink alcohol? | 00:45 |
| jacekowski | no | 00:45 |
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| jacekowski | it's to dangerous | 00:45 |
| slonopotamus | jacekowski: drive a car? | 00:46 |
| tripzero | do you breath? | 00:46 |
| jacekowski | stop asking these stupid questions | 00:46 |
| tripzero | haha | 00:46 |
| cehteh | so just raising the frequency while maintaining or dropping the voltage shouldnt do much more damage, just frequency increase has a small effect on heat generation | 00:46 |
| ptl | do you work out? | 00:46 |
| tripzero | do you have a gf? | 00:46 |
| jacekowski | cehteh: it has huge effect | 00:46 |
| jacekowski | cehteh: increase in frequency increases current | 00:46 |
| slonopotamus | jacekowski: lots of people (with publically available numbers) die of those stuff. and so what? life goes on, ppl continue to use cars. | 00:46 |
| slonopotamus | jacekowski: in case of n900 cpu you even don't have numbers | 00:47 |
| ptl | changing frequencies stresses the device? | 00:47 |
| jacekowski | slonopotamus: there are numbers | 00:47 |
| ptl | so cpufreq scaling is dangerous/unappropriate? | 00:47 |
| slonopotamus | ptl: yes, but noone can say how much. | 00:47 |
| tripzero | ptl: changing the freq above and beyond spec, yes | 00:47 |
| jacekowski | even under spec | 00:48 |
| jacekowski | ideally same | 00:48 |
| jacekowski | hmm | 00:48 |
| jacekowski | precisely same on atoms level devices | 00:48 |
| tripzero | ? | 00:48 |
| jacekowski | run with same voltages | 00:48 |
| jacekowski | ran* | 00:48 |
| jacekowski | but at different frequencies | 00:48 |
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| jacekowski | the one with higher frequency will fail sooner | 00:48 |
| slonopotamus | if you want your n900 to last longer, quickly turn it off and never turn on again. that way (and if stored with care) it can live up to 20 years. though battery will die anyway, sorry | 00:49 |
| * slonopotamus got tired of this. | 00:49 | |
| cehteh | hehe | 00:49 |
| slonopotamus | let's better talk about bme | 00:49 |
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| tripzero | when the n9 comes out, we will all buy new phones anyway | 00:49 |
| cehteh | huh? | 00:50 |
| cehteh | for sure not | 00:50 |
| tripzero | the n0kia compels you | 00:50 |
| tripzero | all you're base are belong to them! | 00:50 |
| slonopotamus | tripzero: even if it doesn't, phones are not used for more than 5 years. | 00:50 |
| magick777 | leaving aside the purely facetious, what do ppl actually *do*? I know what the official advice is, and that it increases risk of failure... but how many of the ppl advising against overclocking are actually running a stock kernel? | 00:50 |
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| GAN900 | DocScrutinizer, OMAP3430. | 00:51 |
| slonopotamus | magick777: daaamn! you revealed the truth | 00:51 |
| tripzero | slonopotamus, i dare bet that number is going down | 00:51 |
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| jacekowski | magick777: i run stock kernel | 00:51 |
| tripzero | seems like many android fanboi's leap from phone to phone every 6months | 00:51 |
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| tripzero | or so | 00:51 |
| slonopotamus | magick777: everyone has n900 running @1GHz. they just don't want you to be happy with its speed :) (kidding, of course) | 00:52 |
| tripzero | but that's an extreme case... at any rate, I'm sure it changes the average. Iphone's are also released yearly? | 00:52 |
| jacekowski | tripzero: every 2 years or so | 00:53 |
| * cehteh thinks more ram would be more worth than more Ghz .. please post an manual how to bolt 1GB more ram to it :P | 00:53 | |
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| Rinsmaster | Hey, does anyone know what system file or setting enables/disables the cursor? I installed a bluetooth HID application and it enabled my cursor, but it's still there after I removed the package. I don't really care, it even looks quite cool, but I was just wondering. Thanks. | 00:53 |
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| Rinsmaster | And I know, extras-devel, own risk, etc :) I don't care to reflash if I have to :P | 00:53 |
| slonopotamus | cehteh: undoable, i'm afraid. ram is in one box with cpu | 00:54 |
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| jacekowski | i'm still thinking about creating break-my-phone app | 00:54 |
| jacekowski | that will wipe bootloader | 00:54 |
| jacekowski | with all warnings | 00:54 |
| cehteh | slonopotamus: i know :P | 00:54 |
| jacekowski | and see how many people would download it | 00:54 |
| slonopotamus | jacekowski: btw. do you know that messing with charger can make harm to your n900? :) | 00:54 |
| FIQ | destroying bootloader... | 00:55 |
| tripzero | bah | 00:55 |
| Rinsmaster | jacekowski, hah, that'll be great fun | 00:55 |
| tripzero | ....moving on | 00:55 |
| tripzero | ~overclocking | 00:55 |
| FIQ | wouldn't that brick the phone permanently? :P | 00:55 |
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| jacekowski | it would | 00:55 |
| jacekowski | well, nokia can flash it | 00:55 |
| FIQ | as in, no possibility to reflash | 00:55 |
| slonopotamus | FIQ: no. fixable (though not in home conditions) | 00:55 |
| cehteh | DocScrutinizer found some bit which would destroy the hardware .. well voltage control is done by the kernel as we know you can easily burn something | 00:56 |
| FIQ | of course they can | 00:56 |
| FIQ | but they cost. ;) | 00:56 |
| cehteh | the RGB led and the flash leds for sure | 00:56 |
| FIQ | cannot you put values like 5000 to /sys/whatever, for the led? | 00:57 |
| FIQ | s/put/echo/ | 00:57 |
| jacekowski | i'm wondering how many people would install that app and ignore warnings | 00:57 |
| FIQ | jacekowsi, i think 2% of the visitors | 00:57 |
| slonopotamus | jacekowski: what that would prove? that there are idiots in the wild? it's a known fact. | 00:58 |
| jacekowski | it would count them | 00:58 |
| FIQ | i for myself is wondering how it will stay in repo at all | 00:58 |
| cehteh | FIQ: what led? | 00:58 |
| slonopotamus | jacekowski: you can't count number of people that didn't agree to your warnings and who even didn't look at your app | 00:58 |
| FIQ | cehteh, the charger/poweron/fullcharge/etc | 00:58 |
| cehteh | the flash has some protection .. but it seems that the driver can drive biggier leds than installed there, dunno how well this is limited | 00:58 |
| slonopotamus | jacekowski: so no % | 00:58 |
| FIQ | those LEDs | 00:59 |
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| jacekowski | well, i could have warnings during installation | 00:59 |
| cehteh | FIQ: the rgb leds are by default driven with 2mA .. we guessed that they can take up to 10mA at least .. but the driver can fry them with 25mA | 00:59 |
| cehteh | sorry i dont want to try .. but i can tell you how it works if you want to :) | 01:00 |
| * ShadowJK is pulling 1A out of a tekkeon mp1550 powered by 4 eneloops chargins his N900 :D | 01:00 | |
| SpeedEvil | perhaps fry | 01:00 |
| ShadowJK | (mains is too unsafe, wicked thunderstorm going on) | 01:00 |
| FIQ | no need to | 01:00 |
| PolarFox | ShadowJK: how do you charge a phone with those? :) | 01:00 |
| PolarFox | ShadowJK: I'm a photographer, and I always have bunch of loaded GP Recykos along.. :) | 01:01 |
| cehteh | ShadowJK: for how many charges do 4 eneloops last? .. barely one or more? | 01:01 |
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| PolarFox | 8000mAh ... | 01:02 |
| PolarFox | but 1,2V :) | 01:02 |
| PolarFox | But one would be plenty enough | 01:03 |
| ShadowJK | cehteh: one and some with BL-5) | 01:03 |
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| ShadowJK | polarfox: tekkeon mp1550, soldered a bit | 01:03 |
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| MrPingouin | hello world | 01:03 |
| * cehteh thinks about putting 6eneloops in series and charge with the power-adapter which is in the box still .. must try that someday | 01:04 | |
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| technomike | Hey guys, I have lost the "Availability" option on my N900, and I cannot use instant messaging etc, or Skype etc etc. Kind of a wierd problem, and I do not know how this has happened. Any ideas how to get it back? | 01:04 |
| ShadowJK | 2.0Ah * 1.2V = 4.4Wh, BL-5J = 4.8Wh.. ok, not quite a full charge then | 01:04 |
| ShadowJK | oops | 01:05 |
| slonopotamus | DocScrutinizer51: jacekowski: so :) any progress with jrbme? | 01:05 |
| kerio | technomike: reboot? | 01:05 |
| cehteh | ShadowJK: and dont forget that charging over usb wastes some power | 01:05 |
| ShadowJK | well anyway, efficiency is overall maybe 60 percent | 01:05 |
| technomike | tried kerio | 01:05 |
| slonopotamus | time to put together open initfs? | 01:05 |
| technomike | its wierd | 01:05 |
| ShadowJK | ow my eardrums | 01:06 |
| technomike | earache? | 01:06 |
| ShadowJK | thunderstorm | 01:06 |
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| technomike | oh :o | 01:06 |
| kerio | ShadowJK: wanna hear the most annoying sound in the world? | 01:06 |
| kerio | AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA | 01:06 |
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| ShadowJK | heh. Phone is having issues maintaining signal, and the basestation is like 500m away.. | 01:07 |
| magick777 | technomike, maybe a silly question but it hasn't by any chance just got pushed down the status menu? took me a day or 2 to realise it scrolls when you add more than 8 items... | 01:07 |
| PolarFox | You are too close :) | 01:07 |
| PolarFox | If it's up high... | 01:07 |
| ShadowJK | normally it's full bars all the time :) | 01:08 |
| ShadowJK | on 2g | 01:08 |
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| technomike | Haha good thought magick777 but unfortunatly no :( | 01:08 |
| slonopotamus | technomike: all messaging accounts removed? | 01:08 |
| technomike | Its really strange. It just disappeared randomly. It usually always shows as we all know. | 01:09 |
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| technomike | No I checked in the settings | 01:09 |
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| technomike | and they are all stil there | 01:09 |
| slonopotamus | technomike: tried rebooting? hildon-desktop crashes and doesn't fully restart sometimes (at least for me) | 01:10 |
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| * PolarFox is going storm hunting... I just wish someone would make spark client for Maemo :) | 01:11 | |
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| technomike | Yep many times. This first happened to me the other day. Numerous reboots since. | 01:11 |
| technomike | Its an odd thing to disappear | 01:11 |
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| kerio | technomike: dumb thing - are you sure it's not just hidden by other things? | 01:12 |
| kerio | scroll down | 01:12 |
| technomike | nope. not that. | 01:13 |
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| magick777 | technomike, would reinstalling hildon-status-menu fix anything? | 01:17 |
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| TomaszD | http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.42435 - ha | 01:20 |
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| ShadowJK | java :) | 01:21 |
| kerio | hey, it supports rotation | 01:21 |
| kerio | it's better than the n900! | 01:21 |
| TomaszD | pretty good knock off | 01:21 |
| ShadowJK | "IMEI: Unique" <- lol! | 01:21 |
| ShadowJK | 2 sim slots :) | 01:22 |
| tripzero | wow | 01:22 |
| kerio | 2 x 2180mAh lithium ion rechargeable batteries (actual 1200mAh) | 01:22 |
| kerio | huh | 01:22 |
| tripzero | lol | 01:22 |
| tripzero | no wifi | 01:22 |
| tripzero | lol | 01:23 |
| ShadowJK | kerio: manufacturer's marketing department said 2180, dealextreme is guessing 1200 based on physical size | 01:23 |
| technomike | magick777 - probably. will try that | 01:23 |
| kerio | oh, lol | 01:23 |
| tripzero | what an ugly os | 01:24 |
| ShadowJK | the hw specs look identical to iFone :) | 01:25 |
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| ShadowJK | same phone-on-a-chip probably :P | 01:25 |
| technomike | how can I reinstall hildon-status-menu ? | 01:25 |
| tripzero | apt-get install --reinstall? | 01:25 |
| technomike | it is in use obviously | 01:25 |
| technomike | will try | 01:26 |
| tripzero | that's okay | 01:26 |
| tripzero | it's in memory now | 01:26 |
| technomike | ah | 01:26 |
| tripzero | (while it's running) | 01:26 |
| tripzero | it may barf if it tries to read something from flash though :P | 01:26 |
| technomike | Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it? | 01:27 |
| magick777 | are you root? | 01:27 |
| technomike | yeah | 01:27 |
| magick777 | application manager running? | 01:28 |
| technomike | oh stupid me. yeah haha. never noticed | 01:28 |
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| technomike | there we go | 01:29 |
| technomike | now reboot yeah? | 01:29 |
| magick777 | yup | 01:30 |
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| SpeedEvil | signal sender=:1.21 -> dest=(null destination) serial=44650 path=/com/nokia/phone/net; interface=Phone.Net; member=operator_name_change | 01:41 |
| SpeedEvil | What do I tell dbus-monitor to tell me only about stuff with path=/com/nokia/phone/net ?. | 01:42 |
| Macer | heh. there is a guy in another # that is shocked that trying ot get a cuda driver working on a hackintosh made it not work anymore :) | 01:42 |
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| Macer | anyways. i was working on a fedora box to build meego finally but parenting is preventing me from doing anything | 01:43 |
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| technomike | magick777 - no luck :( | 01:46 |
| technomike | waittttttttt | 01:48 |
| technomike | its back!!!! | 01:48 |
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| technomike | many many thanks magick777 | 01:49 |
| magick777 | cool :) glad it worked | 01:49 |
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| nox- | moin | 01:50 |
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| SpeedEvil | On above dbus question - dbus-monitor --system 'type=signal,interface=Phone.Net,member=signal_strength_change'|awk '/signal/{n=0}/byte/{n++;b=b" "$2;if(n==2)system("espeak \""b"\"")}' | 01:53 |
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| asj | wow that N900/N97/wince look alike phone is incredible | 01:59 |
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| tripzero | no-wifi | 02:01 |
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| asj | no 3g either, I guess that's the price for dualsim | 02:01 |
| ptl | which one? | 02:02 |
| kerio | s/dualsim/dualsim and a battery that lasts more than 10 minutes/ | 02:02 |
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| asj | ptl: http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.42435 | 02:02 |
| kerio | a 3g dualsim phone is easy if you don't care at all about battery duration | 02:02 |
| kerio | :) | 02:02 |
| asj | for $100 I'm almost tempted just to buy it for the laugh factor | 02:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: ( What do I tell dbus-monitor ) tell me as I got such problem with dbus-scripting daemon | 02:03 |
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| asj | assuming it actually works, someone put a lot of time into making that os | 02:03 |
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| tripzero | it'll probably work | 02:04 |
| technomike | you can get a dualsim adapter for the real n900 but only 1 sim can be active at any 1 time so it isn't true dual sim but you see what I mean anyway | 02:04 |
| tripzero | for the first boot | 02:04 |
| tripzero | anything after that is a bonus | 02:04 |
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| asj | I bet it has like 1 hour of battery life, hence why it comes with 2 batts | 02:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: don't you think it's kinda errr interesting that dbus-scripting has no match field for path? | 02:06 |
| technomike | all the fake china phones tend to come with 2 batteries to be honest. mainly because of the battery life on them as you said | 02:06 |
| technomike | I bought a watch phone for a laugh | 02:06 |
| technomike | and it has 2 batteries. Good quality though tbh... | 02:07 |
| SpeedEvil | hahaaahahaahahahahahahahahaah | 02:08 |
| SpeedEvil | the DX thingy has the 'ovi shop' link | 02:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: also did you get my wrath about dbus signaling paradigma wrt switch press-event/release-event? | 02:08 |
| asj | technomike: it worked? | 02:08 |
| technomike | asj - works perfect | 02:08 |
| technomike | no problems at all | 02:08 |
| asj | SpeedEvil: 'Ovi Shop' probably has good apps ;) | 02:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer | WTF dualsim? that's a fake, that's not dualsim but alternative sim | 02:09 |
| asj | DocScrutinizer: lol, I think you misse the joke ;) | 02:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | nope, not really | 02:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | I just got no humor | 02:10 |
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| asj | DocScrutinizer: you mean your N900 didn't boot up with the MS logo? ;) | 02:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | technomike: they come with 2 bateries as one doesn't suffice by detonation power for any serious usecase | 02:12 |
| technomike | imagine someone doing that. it would scar the device forever. | 02:12 |
| technomike | DocScrutinizer - haha spot on to be honest | 02:12 |
| lcuk | sigh | 02:13 |
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| technomike | well bat life was not THAT bad to be fair though but it wasn't good | 02:13 |
| * DocScrutinizer hands lcuk a candybar | 02:13 | |
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| lcuk | :) thanks DocScrutinizer | 02:13 |
| SpeedEvil | There are phones with real dualsim | 02:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep | 02:14 |
| lcuk | what does dualsim do | 02:14 |
| lcuk | beyond the obvious | 02:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | and they got dual chipset as they are idiots, or they really respect my copyright on timesharing one chipset for dual sim use | 02:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer | dual sim *could* be done in software | 02:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | though you need *all* the sources of the modem FW, plus a real crack to implement | 02:16 |
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| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: what if phone would get assigned two different frequencies? | 02:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | the catch of the whole thing is BTS isn't giving up on first failed try to establish a INVITE to ME | 02:20 |
| asj | lcuk: a real dual sim phone, has 2 radios and sits on 2 networks at the same time. Some places in the world have huge advantages on some networks vs others, India I understand is one of them. Say calling you on network A is X/min, and network B is 10X/min. I want to use network A. But say calling DocScrutinizer is cheaper on network B then I use them for DocScrutinizer. Or something like that. Happens here a bit, I want one network for voice | 02:21 |
| asj | and another for data. | 02:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: so what? it's really easy and lightning fast to switch frequencies | 02:21 |
| jacekowski | but you will get different frequency and maybe same timeslot | 02:22 |
| jacekowski | and with cdma it get's even trickier | 02:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | nope, you never get same timeslot (if you do, then just refuse and retry, to get a better one) | 02:22 |
| jacekowski | you made it sound like some timeslots are worse | 02:23 |
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| lcuk | asj, ok i can buy that, complete redundent system :) | 02:23 |
| lcuk | ta | 02:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: even IF you got collision on time domain, then so what? just listen to slot5 on freq A, then do same on freq B, then A again | 02:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | just will double the latency | 02:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | but latency on INVITE is irrelevant | 02:24 |
| ShadowJK | those dualsim phones probably just have a menu tha let's you pick which one to use | 02:24 |
| jacekowski | hmm, there is same frontend for gsm and cdma | 02:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: that's fake dualsim | 02:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's actually alternative sim | 02:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | you can get on every usual cellphone with a sim doubler | 02:25 |
| ShadowJK | I never had that dualsim Nokia, I wonder how that one worked :) | 02:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | switch off, switch on, other sim activated | 02:25 |
| jacekowski | yeah, there is one YAMA in rapuyama | 02:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's alternative mono SIM, not real concurrent dual SIM | 02:26 |
| jacekowski | how hard is it to copy sim? | 02:26 |
| jacekowski | i mean, you could copy older sims easily | 02:26 |
| jacekowski | but newer ones are apparently protected or something | 02:26 |
| ShadowJK | yes well, same people are selling 1000mAh batteries as 2200mAh ;p | 02:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | new ones you lose | 02:26 |
| jacekowski | so how does that remote sim works? | 02:27 |
| jacekowski | is phone then just acting as a bridge to sim card? | 02:27 |
| technomike | I am on rdesktop from my N900. Is there anyway to tab for nicknames on here? | 02:27 |
| jacekowski | technomike: bluetooth keyboard | 02:28 |
| jacekowski | that's how i do it | 02:28 |
| technomike | Ah yeah good idea | 02:28 |
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| DocScrutinizer | but you can listen to D band SIM a for ine second, then switch to E band SIM b for next second. If a call comes in it will get signalled for at least 5 seconds, so you won't lose it. Then just stay on that band, and other band you are "just driving a tunnel" | 02:28 |
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| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: remote sim? check AT+CSIM command | 02:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: let's you talk to the SIM from AP like usually the modem itself is talking to the SIM | 02:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | lets* | 02:31 |
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| jacekowski | so there is no easy way to just have copy of a sim and no physical sim in phone | 02:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: so yes, basically phone is acting as a bridge, though I guess OTA is some VPN alike secure tunnel | 02:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | nope, there is no easy way | 02:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | (except *I* got a sim of 1999 :-P) | 02:33 |
| jacekowski | so what do you need from sim? | 02:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | some PKI | 02:33 |
| jacekowski | i mean that a/51 cipher was broken | 02:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | or dinno what | 02:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | A5/1 is a crypt for OTA audio data | 02:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | maximum boring | 02:34 |
| jacekowski | but isn't that using same encryption for everything? | 02:34 |
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| DocScrutinizer | the authentication is sending a challenge to the SIM, and reading out a response | 02:35 |
| jacekowski | hmm, how long is the challenge? | 02:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | dunno | 02:35 |
| jacekowski | and how long is the response? | 02:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | somewhere in the ~500MB of GSM docs you'll find precise specs | 02:36 |
| jacekowski | that was something designed 20 years ago | 02:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes | 02:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | but still, what you gonna do to fuck it? | 02:37 |
| jacekowski | well, if i could get all possible responses | 02:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | the algo is based on a PKI that's long enough so you can't deduce from a dozen challenge/response pairs | 02:38 |
| jacekowski | but challenge and response has lenght limits | 02:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | and the challenge is long enough the SIM won't survive reading out all possible responses | 02:38 |
| jacekowski | but if i can read a lot of them | 02:39 |
| jacekowski | i can bruteforce a key | 02:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | the SIM is sloooow you know? | 02:39 |
| jacekowski | well, technology is little bit better | 02:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | each one has an individula key | 02:39 |
| ShadowJK | new ones are a bit faster :) | 02:39 |
| jacekowski | so sim can be OCed little bit | 02:39 |
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| jacekowski | and hopefully i could extract a key in reasonable time | 02:40 |
| * ShadowJK remembers his 1999 one that needed 5 secs | 02:40 | |
| ShadowJK | (to check PIN) | 02:41 |
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| DocScrutinizer | you can not, jacekowski | 02:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | on old SIM they had attack vectors based on dunno power consumption indicating what the algo actually does etc | 02:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | on new ones it common sense you can't copy anymore | 02:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: sorry, tried to get you some links, but they drowned in my ocean of bookmarks during the last years | 02:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | maybe google for simdoubler or similar keywords | 02:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://www.google.de/search?hl=de&q=sim+cloning&aq=f&aqi=g1&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai= | 02:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Welche Karten können geclont werden? Alle mit dem ersten GSM Algorythmus Comp128v1. Als Faustregel kann man sagen, dass alle vor Juni 2002 ausgegebenen Karten diesen Algo haben müssten. Um das Prüfen zu können müsst Ihr aber versuchen die Keys mit einem Programmer auslesen. Neuere Karten mit den Algos Comp128V2 & V3 können nicht geklont werden, | 02:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | use google translate | 02:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://www.gsmfreeboard.com/showthread.php?t=139976 | 02:54 |
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| lcuk | a question if I may - at first glance, would you be able to use this: http://github.com/lcuk/liqcalc/raw/master/liqcalc.screenshot.png | 02:58 |
| lcuk | would you know how it should work, or would you need a manual? | 02:58 |
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| jacekowski | manual would be nice | 03:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | I was about to type "fsck manual" but then I noticed "SOLAR CELL" WTF?! | 03:00 |
| lcuk | lol ;) | 03:00 |
| * luke-jr grumbles at TeX | 03:00 | |
| lcuk | what happens on your desktop calculator when you cover and press on the solar cell? | 03:01 |
| SpeedEvil | nothing | 03:01 |
| SpeedEvil | As I added an AAA cell under it. | 03:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | can I click that? will it blend? | 03:01 |
| lcuk | lol DocScrutinizer | 03:01 |
| lcuk | you cover it, the screen dims :P | 03:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | oooh sheeet | 03:02 |
| lcuk | i just pushed the project upto github anyway, i am off to bed | 03:03 |
| lcuk | \o gnite | 03:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | nite lcuk | 03:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | dream of solar tower power plants! | 03:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | and green nanites livin under your skin | 03:04 |
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| * DocScrutinizer honestly considered to get a job as a facility manager in a huge skyscraper, just to adjust *all* the copper coated windows in such a way they will burn down they mayor's buero on jun .23 @ 14:35 | 03:06 | |
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| DocScrutinizer | fsck my luck and I may go to hell if that day there are cloufy skies ;-P | 03:09 |
| jacekowski | how long does it take to repair bricked phone | 03:10 |
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| jacekowski | without bootloader | 03:10 |
| jacekowski | if i send it back to nokia or wherever | 03:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | just one stroke with sledgehammer, so possibly 0.2s | 03:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: you mean how long does it take to coldflash a borked NOLO? | 03:12 |
| jacekowski | yeah | 03:12 |
| jacekowski | including shipping times | 03:13 |
| jacekowski | so if i would break my phone today | 03:13 |
| jacekowski | when i would have it back | 03:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | depends on competence of your local nokia care center. If they got all the equipment, then one day. If not hen >5 days, possibley 30 | 03:13 |
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| SpeedEvil | Sigh. | 03:14 |
| SpeedEvil | I'm trying to optimise n900 position for video streaming. | 03:15 |
| SpeedEvil | While my DSL is doing its nightly spaz. | 03:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | like: hang it on a few strings, while lying in bed? | 03:15 |
| SpeedEvil | I spend ages trying to wiggle it this way and that to optimise. | 03:15 |
| SpeedEvil | Then I yawn, while holding the phone, stretching arms out, and I notice it's hit 95% | 03:16 |
| nox- | you mean you have wifi reception problems? | 03:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: rcane tales? | 03:16 |
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| DocScrutinizer | arcane* | 03:17 |
| SpeedEvil | no - 3g | 03:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | duh | 03:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: considered a passive retransmission system, with a 24 elem yago on the roof feeding a lambda/4 mounted to the ceiling of your room | 03:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | ? | 03:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | yagi* | 03:18 |
| SpeedEvil | I need to rig back up my 3G dongle on a stick. | 03:19 |
| SpeedEvil | a 6m stick | 03:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | passive retransmission works great. really worth considering it | 03:20 |
| SpeedEvil | yeah | 03:20 |
| SpeedEvil | But then I need to work out where the celltower is. | 03:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer | duh that should be friggin easy | 03:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | place cellphone next to lamba/4 end of cable which you tempoarily move up to the roof, then rotate yagi until bars on cellphone max out | 03:22 |
| SpeedEvil | yeah | 03:22 |
| SpeedEvil | http://www.sitefinder.ofcom.org.uk/ | 03:22 |
| SpeedEvil | for the lulz | 03:22 |
| SpeedEvil | enter '<CENSORED>' into the postcode | 03:23 |
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| SpeedEvil | It's a web 0.2 mast locator | 03:23 |
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| SpeedEvil | To the extent the above may actually be faster | 03:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer | hmm, not even TETRA in this area, too bad | 03:26 |
| SpeedEvil | You can't do the -trivially obvious - thing of zoom out to the typical range of a GSM phone, and then see which masts are in the area | 03:27 |
| SpeedEvil | as masts are not visible at the lowest zoom | 03:27 |
| SpeedEvil | and base details are only visible at the highest zoom | 03:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | no such 'nice' thing for over here on the continent | 03:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | so I closed it. Sorry | 03:29 |
| SpeedEvil | Deeply insane. | 03:29 |
| SpeedEvil | I suspect the brief was 'make it as unfriendly as possible, while complying with the strict requirements of accessibility' | 03:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | what? the borked 0.2 web app for your area, the fact it's not existing here, or me? | 03:30 |
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| SpeedEvil | The pessimisation of a possible useful service to turn it into a non-useful one. | 03:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | closely resembling the guidelines in http://2600hertz.wordpress.com/2010/02/26/meego-destroy-in-6-steps/ | 03:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | all the same all over the industry. They are really good on adapting it | 03:33 |
| SpeedEvil | Also - that crashed ff | 03:34 |
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| DocScrutinizer | wow, that's special | 03:34 |
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| * DocScrutinizer adds a paragraph to 6 rules: "keep your config of webservices so it will be easy for crashers to inject maicious code to the repositories and malware jpeg/javascript/whatever bits to your websites. Then apologize, clean the site, and wait for new malware and rogue code to show up" | 03:38 | |
| SpeedEvil | The COMPANY LIASON must be chosen carefully. The optimal choice is somebody reclusive | 03:38 |
| SpeedEvil | This is accomplished really well if the person doesn't actually speak english. | 03:38 |
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| ds3 | heh | 03:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | I particularly adore the part: ""They’ll mess up your marketing schemes by, for example, taking the software into countries where you have no presence and no plans. They’ll interfere with product roadmaps with unexpected innovation, adding features which you had not planned for the next few years – or, worse, features which were planned for a proprietary version."" | 03:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer | keep cellmo API as closed as possible to effectively encounter these | 03:54 |
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| DocScrutinizer | do not support weird shit like reading out list of neighbour cells or TA or any other parameters not useful for basic phone operation, as those will interfere with your plans to implement and sell proprietary location aware services | 03:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer | honestly, as long as I can do funky things with my 6210(first generation) dumbphone that are impossible on N900, I feel like something's really wrong about N900 support from Nokia | 03:59 |
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| TermanaN900 | good morning | 04:00 |
| * DocScrutinizer moos @ TermanaN900 | 04:01 | |
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| DocScrutinizer | UGT? | 04:01 |
| TermanaN900 | DocScrutinizer, ACST (+9:30) | 04:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | yay | 04:03 |
| SpeedEvil | svn rtmpdump | 04:04 |
| SpeedEvil | argh | 04:04 |
| ptl | far far away | 04:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | EWIN | 04:04 |
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| Aranel | is it possible & if its how to install Nitdroid 2.2 to N900 without an external card? (think of Easy Debian. on built-in memory) | 04:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer | couldn't think of anything that bothers me less | 04:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer | X-Fade: I wonder how >>Comments: You must be logged in to make comments.<< matches the anonymous comment on http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/starhash-enabler/0.2/ | 04:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | X-Fade: also the anonymous comment renders really unusable for me, by cutting away first line | 04:41 |
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| * peb_ is gone. Gone since Tue Jul 27 16:30:00 2010 | 04:44 | |
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| * SpeedEvil wonders if DocScrutinizer wil carry out his threat against peb | 04:44 | |
| DocScrutinizer | X-Fade: (hint) I sent this comment while maybe not noticing timeout or IP change has invalidated my login to the page. So suspicion is you *can* send anonymous comments if only you use correctly formatted HTTP-PUT or whatever it uses. Feels like a microscopic security issue, opening up an exploitation vector | 04:44 |
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| DocScrutinizer | threat? I'm starting to feel angry about that shit, but don't remember a thread of mine | 04:45 |
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| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: what do you suggest? autokick on "is gone. Gone since"? Or ban? or what | 04:48 |
| SpeedEvil | Ooops | 04:48 |
| SpeedEvil | crashanddie: peb_: on next iteration, you will be quieted until you deactivate it | 04:48 |
| SpeedEvil | wasn't you | 04:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | nevertheless I agree on that | 04:48 |
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| ptl | what did peb_ do? | 04:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | [2010-07-29 03:44:16] * peb_ is gone. Gone since Tue Jul 27 16:30:00 2010 | 04:50 |
| SpeedEvil | As his only content for the past 10 day | 04:50 |
| SpeedEvil | s | 04:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | today seems he's a minute early | 04:50 |
| ptl | oh, away message | 04:51 |
| MohammadAG51 | I'd quiet him after a warning tbh | 04:51 |
| MohammadAG51 | not before :) | 04:51 |
| MohammadAG51 | but that's just me | 04:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG51: [2010-07-29 03:48:15] <SpeedEvil> crashanddie: peb_: on next iteration, you will be quieted until you deactivate it | 04:52 |
| MohammadAG51 | oh, didn't know he quoted crashanddie | 04:52 |
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| * DocScrutinizer just wonders whether to quiet peb as well | 04:54 | |
| DocScrutinizer | probably neither peb nor peb_ will even notice, and the +q just fills up the chan administration lists | 04:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | or wait, isn't changing nick blocked when you are set +q ? | 04:58 |
| ptl | I think only when you use +b | 04:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | mhm | 04:58 |
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| DocScrutinizer | should I kick peb, just to attract his attention? | 05:00 |
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| ptl | maybe private message him | 05:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm, actually a better more PC version | 05:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer | we'll see. In 23:40 hours at most | 05:05 |
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| Macer | http://www.amazon.com/Uranium-Ore/dp/B000796XXM | 06:55 |
| Macer | hahhaha! | 06:55 |
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| MohammadAG51 | damn it goes silent here at night | 06:59 |
| MohammadAG51 | LOL Macer | 07:00 |
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| swc|666 | http://www.amazon.com/Cloverdale-Fresh-Whole-Rabbit/dp/B00012182G/ref=pd_sbs_indust_3 | 07:05 |
| swc|666 | review.. | 07:06 |
| swc|666 | This review is from: Fresh Whole Rabbit (Misc.) | 07:06 |
| swc|666 | I'll keep this short and sweet. We ordered one of these rabbits for our children this Easter and boy what a surprise. It is NOT a living rabbit. Someone has killed this rabbit and skinned it, I suppose for eating. Anyway, our children were traumatized and Easter is not the same holiday that it used to be for us. On the upside, we don't have to fill their Easter baskets anymore as we told them the Easter bunny was killed by Amazon. | 07:06 |
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| luke-jr | swc|666: LOL | 07:18 |
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| swc|666 | :p | 07:18 |
| swc|666 | amazon man .. epic products | 07:18 |
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| swc|666 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2oOHZvAYmxk&feature=player_embedded# | 07:32 |
| * swc|666 is afraid now | 07:33 | |
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| Ken-Young | swc|666, I would have lived a significantly happier life had I never seen that. | 07:36 |
| swc|666 | Ken-Young, hahaaaa | 07:37 |
| swc|666 | Ken-Young, there's one that's a bit worse | 07:38 |
| swc|666 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7BVvNE78lyc .. bet u cant watch the whole thing | 07:39 |
| Ken-Young | He pees on a fire hydrant while signing? | 07:39 |
| Ken-Young | That one's just sad. | 07:40 |
| RST38h | the last one looks like the hypnotoad | 07:41 |
| swc|666 | RST38h, rofl | 07:41 |
| RST38h | the previous one makes me think that "jesus" is either a drug or some contagious disease | 07:42 |
| swc|666 | lolllllllllllllllllllllllll | 07:43 |
| swc|666 | yeah really | 07:43 |
| RST38h | so, those evangelicals got something wrong in their marketing department | 07:43 |
| swc|666 | bigtime .. but then again they are trying to sell some jesus | 07:44 |
| Ken-Young | Who says we Americans aren't multilingual: http://www.buzzfeed.com/mjs538/pastor-speaks-in-tongues-to-ward-off-evil-gays | 07:45 |
| swc|666 | lolol | 07:47 |
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| EdLin | I'm thinking of getting an N900, your thoughts on the device? | 07:47 |
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| Ken-Young | EdLin, Are you asking anyone in particular? | 07:48 |
| EdLin | no | 07:48 |
| swc|666 | "I wouldn't grant this man authority over my lawn care, much less my soul. " | 07:48 |
| EdLin | I already have a low-end Cliq XT Android device, but the N900 looks interesting. | 07:49 |
| Ken-Young | Edlin, Well, I have one, and I like it a lot. But be warned that it does not have anything like the app ecosystem iPhones and Andriod phones have. | 07:49 |
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| RST38h | EdLin: Well, N900 is not an Android. | 07:49 |
| jaem | 'Evening | 07:49 |
| EdLin | can it do gpg email OK? One thing I like about my Android is that I can run APG and k9 and do encrypted email to one person in particular. | 07:49 |
| RST38h | Having said that, your impression will depend on what you expected from it | 07:49 |
| Ken-Young | EdLin, If you want a gnu/linux phone, as opposed to a sorta-linux Android phone, the N900 might be for you. | 07:50 |
| EdLin | RST38h, I have an n810, I know something about maemo. :) | 07:50 |
| jaem | EdLin: The KDE community is hard at work on a Maemo/MeeGo port of their PIM suite, and it should do encryption nicely. | 07:50 |
| jaem | EdLin: See http://userbase.kde.org/Kontact_Mobile for details. It's not done yet, but it looks like it will be excellent. | 07:51 |
| jaem | The default mail client is rather lame, though, to be honest. | 07:51 |
| EdLin | Ken-Young, yeah, something about the sorta-linux of the Android bothers me, even my Palm Pre was more Linux-like under the hood than Android; and the Cliq XT has no root and nobody currently working on rooting it. | 07:51 |
| Ken-Young | EdLin, and with the N900, you get root with no fight at all. | 07:52 |
| DangerMaus | yepyep | 07:53 |
| Ken-Young | THere's also some very cool open-source camera code coming on line for the N900. | 07:53 |
| EdLin | how about the future, how far along is Meego as far as hardware support goes? | 07:53 |
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| EdLin | I was frustrated with my N810 and the fact that the new Maemo didn't work on it. | 07:54 |
| EdLin | I don't want a repeat of that experience. | 07:54 |
| Ken-Young | Well, there's no evidence yet that Nokia won't continue to abandon linux OSs. | 07:54 |
| EdLin | Ken-Young, if it makes you feel any better, they do the same thing with Symbian versions. | 07:55 |
| asj | EdLin: well...that seems like a silly thing to expect | 07:55 |
| Ken-Young | EdLin, Oh, I feel like dancing now. | 07:55 |
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| EdLin | asj: I don't expect it for the n810, the hardware is a little long in the tooth. The n900 though has decent specs, it should be able to run Meego. | 07:56 |
| luke-jr | Ken-Young: uh, N900 isn't GNU | 07:56 |
| Ken-Young | luke-jr, That's true, but you can get a pretty-GNU experience with Easy Debian. | 07:57 |
| luke-jr | Ken-Young: the only thing Maemo has over Android is that 1) it isn't a mere phone, and 2) it uses standard X11 | 07:57 |
| asj | EdLin: it's fine for last years hardware | 07:57 |
| jaem | luke-jr: well, and standard everything-else | 07:58 |
| EdLin | luke-jr, and it doesn't use a proprietary Java for almost everything, and the userland looks like Linux, and so on. It's quite different than Android in it's linux-like. | 07:58 |
| EdLin | ness | 07:58 |
| luke-jr | meh, maybe if you use Fedora or such | 07:58 |
| EdLin | Android is something else running on a Linux kernel really. | 07:58 |
| luke-jr | it doesn't remotely resemble my normal Linux really | 07:59 |
| Ken-Young | luke-jr, I use a real bash shell on my N900 all the time. I don't think that's easy with Android. | 07:59 |
| EdLin | luke-jr, it resembles it more than Android..... | 07:59 |
| luke-jr | EdLin: Android is a phone platform. It's not supposed to. | 07:59 |
| EdLin | Ken-Young, my Palm Pre could run a bash shell too, it had a lot of Linux under the hood, even though everything usually (though not always, you could run X11SDL) ran either Javascript frameworks or SDL for display. | 08:00 |
| Ken-Young | Yeah, WebOS is a lot more standard than Android too. | 08:00 |
| MohammadAG51 | hmm | 08:01 |
| EdLin | yeah, you could even run Qt apps on WebOS. | 08:01 |
| MohammadAG51 | how many h does a human usually _need_ to sleep | 08:01 |
| luke-jr | if what you want is a multipurpose appliance, N900 is perfect. | 08:01 |
| luke-jr | if what you want is a phone, you might prefer Android | 08:02 |
| luke-jr | if what you want is a mobile computer, there's no real good options yet | 08:02 |
| EdLin | luke-jr, I know somewhat of what to expect, I ran a n810 tethered to a palm centro or via wifi, so it's a lot like a N900 except a lot laggier, and I liked it. :) | 08:02 |
| jaem | MohammadAG51: Do students count as human? | 08:02 |
| luke-jr | EdLin: honestly, N900 is nothing like N810 IMO | 08:03 |
| MohammadAG51 | jaem, yes | 08:03 |
| luke-jr | the UI is totally different, as are the functions | 08:03 |
| slonopotamus | luke-jr: how's gps going? | 08:03 |
| EdLin | luke-jr, it's more like the n810 in spirit than Android. Yes, the UI is different.... I'm aware of that. | 08:03 |
| luke-jr | slonopotamus: working, mostly | 08:03 |
| luke-jr | slonopotamus: but gpsd sucks a lot | 08:04 |
| MohammadAG51 | hmm | 08:04 |
| MohammadAG51 | 4h should be enough | 08:04 |
| luke-jr | EdLin: N900 has the ideal window manager, IMO, except that it's GTK | 08:04 |
| slonopotamus | luke-jr: :) crappy code? | 08:04 |
| jaem | luke-jr: agreed on the wm | 08:04 |
| luke-jr | and effectively replaces my digital camera and-- if I could get reliable service-- cell phone | 08:04 |
| luke-jr | slonopotamus: crappy NMEA | 08:04 |
| asj | EdLin: luke kinda lives into own reality a bit ;) | 08:04 |
| EdLin | asj, yeah, I remember him from the n810 days in this channel, when I was using my internet tablet more. | 08:05 |
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| EdLin | asj: he's a smart guy tho. | 08:05 |
| asj | EdLin: oh I wouldn't argue that :) | 08:05 |
| EdLin | asj: he ran Gentoo on the n810, IIRC. | 08:06 |
| EdLin | luke-jr, still running Gentoo on the n### devices, or is that someone else? | 08:06 |
| luke-jr | EdLin: yep, including N900 now | 08:06 |
| luke-jr | though in a chroot usually | 08:07 |
| EdLin | luke-jr, I don't think I'd do it, but my hat's off to you for the amount of work that must have took. | 08:07 |
| luke-jr | EdLin: and I managed to successfully reverse engineer the N900's GPS, unlike N810's | 08:07 |
| EdLin | luke-jr, yeah, I remember you were having difficulties with n810 hardware support. | 08:07 |
| luke-jr | Gentoo on N900 itself wasn't too hard | 08:08 |
| luke-jr | it's getting the functionality to work ☺ | 08:08 |
| DangerMaus | hehe' | 08:09 |
| EdLin | luke-jr: does the n900 still have proprietary audio like the n810? | 08:09 |
| DangerMaus | i'd doo gentoo too but i just dont have the time to tweek it do it\ | 08:09 |
| luke-jr | eh, N810 didn't have proprietary audio | 08:09 |
| luke-jr | maybe you mean codecs? | 08:10 |
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| EdLin | luke-jr, the media player functionality only worked in Maemo. | 08:10 |
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| luke-jr | EdLin: worked fine with normal Linux on Gentoo | 08:10 |
| luke-jr | just the combination Maemo kernel + Gentoo didn't | 08:10 |
| EdLin | my memory must be going, I'm 41 in a few weeks. | 08:10 |
| luke-jr | N800 was a different matter | 08:10 |
| luke-jr | N800 and N810 have totally different audio stacks | 08:11 |
| EdLin | maybe I'm thinking of n800. | 08:11 |
| EdLin | I never had one of those tho | 08:11 |
| luke-jr | also, for *practical* puroses, you had to choose between audio and <almost everything else> | 08:11 |
| luke-jr | now it's down to audio vs GPS I think | 08:12 |
| EdLin | luke-jr, I used my n810 as a portable media player also, so for me not having audio was a big issue for running something besides the standard stuff full time. | 08:12 |
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| EdLin | what's the state of nitroid on the n900? I am interested in Android development even if not android-phone, so I wouldn't mind having that available. | 08:14 |
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| EdLin | what happened, everyone went to bed? ;-) | 08:18 |
| Ken-Young | This channel is a lot more active during evening hours in Europe. | 08:18 |
| crashanddie | EdLin: it's 7:20 in Europe | 08:18 |
| crashanddie | Elleo: 6:20 in the UK | 08:18 |
| crashanddie | crapper | 08:19 |
| asj | 3:20pm here | 08:19 |
| EdLin | 1:19am here. | 08:19 |
| Ken-Young | 01:20 here | 08:19 |
| crashanddie | well, 7:19 here :) | 08:19 |
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| crashanddie | been awake for a couple of hours | 08:19 |
| DangerMaus | 0022 | 08:19 |
| EdLin | Ken-Young, you're in a time-zone a minute different than mine. ;-) | 08:19 |
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| Ken-Young | I don't use time zones. I use local solar time! | 08:20 |
| crashanddie | EdLin: you may want to ask questions about nitdroid in #nitdroid | 08:20 |
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| crashanddie | Ken-Young: so you're about 20km away from EdLin? | 08:20 |
| crashanddie | Ken-Young: (1 solar minute == approx 22.3km) | 08:20 |
| Ken-Young | Well, there's prbably a latitude difference too. | 08:21 |
| crashanddie | good point | 08:21 |
| crashanddie | I always forget we don't live on a straight line | 08:21 |
| EdLin | Ken-Young, I'm in Brooklyn, that means you're on Long Island somewhere assuming you're due East. ;-) | 08:22 |
| Ken-Young | Boston. | 08:22 |
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| Ken-Young | Well, Cambridge... | 08:22 |
| EdLin | Ken-Young, ah, so you really *are* east of me. | 08:23 |
| EdLin | Ken-Young, in college? | 08:23 |
| Ken-Young | Nope, I'm an old koot. | 08:23 |
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| EdLin | Ken-Young, that'd be cool if you were an NIT user at MIT | 08:23 |
| Ken-Young | Nah - I went to Caltech. | 08:23 |
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| EdLin | Ken-Young, caltech doesn't look like "NIT" | 08:24 |
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| Ken-Young | Caltech >> MIT | 08:24 |
| EdLin | Ken-Young, I go on and off to Brooklyn College. | 08:25 |
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| EdLin | Ken-Young, also I took electronics engineering tech at a small community college in Virginia, nearly worked for NASA though, if they were hiring. | 08:25 |
| Ken-Young | EdLin, Caltech is occasionally called CIT, so I could be a NIT user from CIT. | 08:28 |
| EdLin | Ken-Young, coolio. | 08:29 |
| EdLin | Ken-Young, what was your major at Cal Tech? | 08:29 |
| Ken-Young | Astronomy (Grad School) | 08:30 |
| EdLin | Ken-Young, well, I nearly worked for NASA, but it would have been aeroknotics, because that's what they did at Langley AFB. | 08:30 |
| EdLin | areonautics* | 08:31 |
| MiXu- | "nearly"? :) | 08:31 |
| EdLin | Ken-Young, NASA Langly was a neat place, lots of wind tunnels and computers. | 08:31 |
| Ken-Young | NASA can be very frustrating. | 08:31 |
| EdLin | MiXu-, they had a hiring freeze. | 08:31 |
| EdLin | MiXu-, but my college had a co-op program for them and like everyone I applied. | 08:32 |
| MiXu- | Ok :) | 08:32 |
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| crashanddie | EdLin: I guess that's where they design Apple computers then? | 08:32 |
| EdLin | MiXu-, electronics engineering tech at TNCC was for NASA mostly originally, they even had you do everything according to NASAspec. | 08:33 |
| n900-space | hi all | 08:33 |
| EdLin | MiXu-, which made their sodering course very hard. | 08:33 |
| MiXu- | Hehe | 08:33 |
| EdLin | n900-space, hi | 08:33 |
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| Ken-Young | Goodnight, all! | 08:34 |
| EdLin | night | 08:34 |
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| Milo- | what happened to the portrait mode browsing in microb? | 08:36 |
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| jaem | Milo-: It isn't working for you? | 08:37 |
| Milo- | It haven't worked for me since 1.2 | 08:37 |
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| asj | Milo-: there's a menu option to turn it on now no? | 08:37 |
| jaem | They added an option in the GUI. | 08:37 |
| Milo- | accerometer is alive though | 08:37 |
| jaem | asj: Do you know if they disabled the Ctrl+Shift+O shortcut when they added the GUI config for it? | 08:37 |
| jaem | I can't remember | 08:37 |
| Milo- | ah | 08:38 |
| Milo- | found it | 08:38 |
| asj | jaem: I hate it, don't care :) | 08:38 |
| Milo- | ctrl shift o won't work though, but found the guy setting | 08:38 |
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| asj | just be glad it's not a girl setting ;) | 08:38 |
| EdLin | what's battery life like on the n900? Lasts 8 hours fine? | 08:38 |
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| jaem | asj: Heh, true enough - those shortcuts are awkward. | 08:39 |
| asj | EdLin: 8 hours playing video no ;) | 08:39 |
| asj | jaem: no, I meant portrait mode | 08:39 |
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| EdLin | asj: lol, nothing will do that with a cell radio in it. | 08:39 |
| asj | EdLin: it's ok for me | 08:39 |
| jaem | EdLin: It depends on usage. I use it on-and off during the day at uni for web, chat, SSH, calling, etc. and it lasts me through the day. I generally throw it back on the charger around dinner time to boost it through to late evening | 08:40 |
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| jaem | If you're going to play full-length movies on it, you'll probably want to pick up a spare battery or a rechargeable USB Li-Ion pack. | 08:40 |
| EdLin | jaem, I doubt I'd do that. | 08:40 |
| jaem | er... I mean, if you plan to do a lot of that. | 08:40 |
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| jaem | It can easily get through a movie with plenty to spare. | 08:41 |
| EdLin | jaem, since it has TV out, I might do that at home, but then battery life isn't as important as away from home. | 08:41 |
| jaem | EdLin: Yeah. I really haven't found battery life to be much of an issue, but it would be nice if it was a bit longer. | 08:42 |
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| jaem | 3G data is hard on it, of course. | 08:42 |
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| EdLin | jaem, will having email running on it constantly be a drain for 8 hours? | 08:43 |
| EdLin | jaem, there's no wifi at work | 08:43 |
| jaem | EdLin: I have mine on wifi all day at uni, with e-mail set to check every 10 minutes, and it isn't an issue. | 08:43 |
| asj | EdLin: depends on the mail, mfe I find a bit hungry | 08:43 |
| Milo- | oh | 08:43 |
| Milo- | meant to say gui setting | 08:43 |
| Milo- | finger went to wrong direction | 08:44 |
| asj | Milo-: ;) | 08:44 |
| EdLin | also, an odd request, does the n900 do Hebrew fonts? | 08:44 |
| jaem | EdLin: I've never tried, but if you can find a font, I don't see why it wouldn't work. | 08:44 |
| jaem | If you can point me to one to download, I can check right now. | 08:45 |
| EdLin | jaem, yeah, I figured that'd be the answer. | 08:45 |
| EdLin | jaem, deja has the glyphs in unicode. | 08:45 |
| jaem | EdLin: ...how would I go about typing something in that range? | 08:45 |
| EdLin | jaem, android needs root for this.... | 08:45 |
| jaem | -snerk- | 08:45 |
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| EdLin | jaem, I could point you at a typical .co.il website and you could look | 08:45 |
| jaem | EdLin: sure | 08:46 |
| EdLin | http://www.haaretz.co.il/ | 08:46 |
| jaem | EdLin: It looks good to me. :) | 08:47 |
| EdLin | great, I need that for my Facebook and some other stuff. | 08:48 |
| EdLin | speaking of social networking, what's facebook and twitter like on the n900? Everything via the browser, or are there some apps? | 08:49 |
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| jaem | EdLin: TweeGo is excellent for Twitter. | 08:49 |
| jaem | v3 is even better, but it's still prerelease. | 08:50 |
| EdLin | does TweeGo support lists? | 08:50 |
| luke-jr | EdLin: I like how I can snap a photo with the camera and send it off to Facebook in a few touches | 08:50 |
| EdLin | luke-jr, good, that's handy. | 08:50 |
| jaem | EdLin: I don't think so, but I don't use them anyway. v3 is a big jump from v2 in terms of features, so that might be planned for later releases. | 08:50 |
| luke-jr | the N900 has actually replaced my 8 MP digicam :p | 08:50 |
| EdLin | luke-jr, that good huh? | 08:51 |
| jaem | EdLin: There is a Facebook client, but I think it's mostly limited to status updates, etc. | 08:51 |
| luke-jr | EdLin: that convenient :p | 08:51 |
| jaem | The browser is capable of viewing the full "desktop" FB page well, though. | 08:51 |
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| luke-jr | I transfer photos off the 8MP like every other month | 08:51 |
| luke-jr | also, N900 automatically geotags photos | 08:51 |
| EdLin | jaem, half the reason for facebook apps is that the mobile fb page sucks eggs. That and taking photos. | 08:52 |
| asj | luke-jr: dont you think that's evil? | 08:52 |
| luke-jr | jaem: there's some GSoC client too | 08:52 |
| jaem | heh, yeah. Well, as luke-jr said, photos is easy. | 08:52 |
| luke-jr | asj: no? | 08:52 |
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| jaem | luke-jr: Oh? I may poke at that. | 08:52 |
| asj | EdLin: n900 doesn't use the mobile version | 08:52 |
| EdLin | asj: a point in its favor then. | 08:52 |
| jaem | I don't really use FB more than I have to, but (privacy, etc. aside) it does have some useful features. | 08:52 |
| asj | EdLin: certain sites tend to count the n900 as a mobile device and within a few days revert back | 08:53 |
| luke-jr | I hate Facebook, but they have an effective monopoly ☹ | 08:53 |
| EdLin | asj, lol | 08:53 |
| jaem | EdLin: I've found the N900 more than capable for most "desktop" websites. The only things it really chokes on are pages with lots of Flash. | 08:53 |
| EdLin | yeah, I hate facebook too, but for some people it's the only way to keep in touch with them. | 08:53 |
| jaem | Youtube works, for example, but it's clumsy. | 08:53 |
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| luke-jr | jaem: no HTML 5 for Maemo? :p | 08:54 |
| jaem | EdLin: Yep, that's more or less my reasoning. I had quit, and then I realized that some of my friends would forget to invite me to events (thinking that the (figurative) "mass-invite" button that is Facebook would include me). | 08:54 |
| EdLin | jaem, can it do full-screen youtube, or just the website? | 08:54 |
| jaem | luke-jr: what is the status of that? | 08:54 |
| luke-jr | jaem: ? | 08:54 |
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| jaem | EdLin: I think in theory the browser is capable of it, but it wouldn't be a good experience. The Youtube client, ZouTube (Yes, lovely TM-skirting there :P) works well enough. | 08:55 |
| n900-space | can anyone tell me , that in QT, what apis r used to access internet, like fetching a webpage from a url ? if this is not the correct channel to ask this then plz specify which one shud i head to | 08:56 |
| asj | I need to install an older ZouTube, mine works like shit | 08:56 |
| jaem | The main problem I find with Flash is the interaction quirks - it was never really meant for a high-DPI device with a stylus, so it generally works, but it's clunky. | 08:56 |
| jaem | n900-space: go poke me in #qt | 08:56 |
| luke-jr | n900-space: QHttp? | 08:56 |
| jaem | luke-jr: deprecated | 08:56 |
| jaem | IIRC | 08:56 |
| luke-jr | o | 08:56 |
| jaem | They have shinier stuff now. | 08:56 |
| Izzeh | Hey fellaz.. just popped in with a theorycraft question: Can the N900 distinguish between a wall and car charger? | 08:56 |
| luke-jr | Qt needs to fix HTTPS one of these days | 08:56 |
| EdLin | jaem, Qt deprecates stuff almost as often as Java, but at least it doesn't suck as much. ;-) | 08:57 |
| jaem | luke-jr: I was asking a moment ago whether you knew if there was any work towards an HTML5-compliant browser for the N900. | 08:57 |
| luke-jr | jaem: no idea | 08:57 |
| n900-space | luke-jr: i'll check the qhttp | 08:57 |
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| n900-space | thanks jaem | 08:57 |
| jaem | Izzeh: I don't believe so. | 08:57 |
| Izzeh | ah that's what I figured | 08:57 |
| jaem | Izzeh: between a computer and a wall/car charger, yes | 08:57 |
| Izzeh | yep | 08:58 |
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| Izzeh | wonder if it'd be at all possible to 'guess' based on the amount of current | 08:58 |
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| jaem | Izzeh: Well, you probably *could*, but it wouldn't be at all reliable, as far as I can see. | 08:59 |
| luke-jr | http://bugreports.qt.nokia.com/browse/QTBUG-1352 is annoying | 08:59 |
| Izzeh | lol ah well.. maybe in future devices :D | 08:59 |
| jaem | Izzeh: I think it's more a matter of the USB charging spec than anything Nokia can do. | 08:59 |
| Izzeh | yeah your right | 09:00 |
| jaem | It would be simple enough if they wanted to make the charging connector some crazy thing with a sense of some sort, but I'd much prefer they didn't. :/ | 09:00 |
| Izzeh | I'm only interested based on the amount I've been screwing around with automation lately | 09:00 |
| jaem | Standard USB works fine for me. | 09:00 |
| jaem | Izzeh: Do tell... | 09:00 |
| Izzeh | on plug in: enables fm transmitter, plays music, and opens a 'car style' GUI for forward next and track info :P | 09:00 |
| Izzeh | as it is I have a QBW that does all these.. but automation excites me to no end | 09:01 |
| luke-jr | Izzeh: use GPS | 09:01 |
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| jaem | Izzeh: QBW? | 09:01 |
| Izzeh | queen beecon... | 09:01 |
| Izzeh | desktop command widgets... basically have it execute a nice little script on press | 09:01 |
| jaem | Yeah, I've been meaning to fiddle with automation fun on the phone. | 09:02 |
| jaem | I just haven't gotten around to it... | 09:02 |
| Izzeh | lol its a shame its once against flawed by Nokia | 09:02 |
| Izzeh | as the dbus for playing/pausing breaks every 3-4 uses of it | 09:02 |
| jaem | Part of the problem is that I have to use the phone for work (coding) /and/ daily use, so I can't afford to break it too much by fiddling | 09:02 |
| Izzeh | so every second day I have to open the media player to be able to play audio | 09:02 |
| jaem | ...Not that that stops me :P | 09:02 |
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| jaem | Really? Huh. What are you using for "'car style' GUI" you mention? | 09:03 |
| Izzeh | lol I bricked mine while travelling last month.. went without a phone for 3 days =x | 09:03 |
| Izzeh | its a bit of a dodge workaround. Essentially the script makes a QBW widget 'wake' and 'show' taking half the screen as a next button | 09:04 |
| Izzeh | just uploaded an image in this thread.. its what made me think to ask: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=768722&postcount=4 | 09:04 |
| Izzeh | unfortunately can't get song info as it'd need a full python script as thats the only way to access the information | 09:05 |
| Izzeh | its also rather dumb (doesn't check state at all) but thats one of the main reasons I use it... as the available FMTX widget polled the FM transmitter some ridiculous amount of times.. costing me a good 10% of battery life | 09:06 |
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| n900-space | can anyone tell me one thing | 09:13 |
| n900-space | when i login from my laptop to n900, using ssh | 09:13 |
| n900-space | through the "developer" login | 09:14 |
| n900-space | and the password i give as provided by the madde app runnning on n900 | 09:14 |
| n900-space | my location on the console becomes /home/developer | 09:14 |
| n900-space | that has a MyDoc folder when i do ls | 09:14 |
| n900-space | if i go inside the MyDoc | 09:14 |
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| n900-space | i see the same stuff as if i had gone inside the /home/user | 09:15 |
| jaem | n900-space: it's symlinked | 09:15 |
| jaem | I didn' | 09:15 |
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| jaem | I didn't actually realize that until now - thanks for making me check :P | 09:15 |
| merlincorey | on an offhand and also with the n900 specifically... | 09:16 |
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| Duckboot | Rebel sources reveal Obi Wan Kenobi lived in a cave & "watched over" young boys, waiting to "train them to use a lightsaber". #wookieleaks | 09:16 |
| merlincorey | anyone know why the return key does this funky C-M (CONTROL M) stuff? | 09:16 |
| Duckboot | Ups - Misspaste | 09:16 |
| jaem | merlincorey: no, I've been putting off wondering about that for a while now | 09:16 |
| merlincorey | specifically, if I am ssh'd into a box and using tmux and certain other curses apps, I have to press control m | 09:17 |
| luke-jr | … | 09:17 |
| merlincorey | jaem: same issue? | 09:17 |
| luke-jr | Ctrl-M is \n | 09:17 |
| merlincorey | luke-jr: so why is the return key not apparently? | 09:17 |
| luke-jr | Return/Enter and Ctrl-M are logically the same thing | 09:17 |
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| luke-jr | oh, that | 09:17 |
| luke-jr | I suspect N900 Return is keypad Enter | 09:17 |
| merlincorey | but I have to explicitly press C-m | 09:17 |
| n900-space | so jaem i get it that this symlink stuff is linux specific and i shud google for it if i want more info on it right? | 09:18 |
| merlincorey | so probably I can play with the keysyms you think, luke-jr? | 09:18 |
| luke-jr | merlincorey: I'd consider it a tmux bug. Use standard screen? | 09:18 |
| jaem | n900-space: Sure, but I can give you the gist right now. | 09:18 |
| merlincorey | luke-jr: tmux is bsd standard ;) | 09:18 |
| luke-jr | and buggy, apparently | 09:18 |
| Izzeh | I had the same issue with some applications.. I inferred SDL differentiated between a standard "enter" and the n900 return key | 09:18 |
| merlincorey | I guess cmus is buggy too :P | 09:18 |
| merlincorey | because that one needs it as well | 09:18 |
| n900-space | yea sure | 09:18 |
| n900-space | do | 09:18 |
| luke-jr | n900-space: symlinks aren't Linux specific at all | 09:19 |
| luke-jr | n900-space: Windows just hides them because MIcrosoft thinks you're an idiot | 09:19 |
| luke-jr | :p | 09:19 |
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| Izzeh | LOL | 09:19 |
| Izzeh | .. wait... symlinks actually function under windows? | 09:19 |
| jaem | luke-jr: why don't you explain... my brain is tired. :P | 09:19 |
| Corsac | and have security issues :) | 09:19 |
| luke-jr | Izzeh: to some extent | 09:19 |
| luke-jr | n900-space: the equivalent for most Windows users would be shortcut files | 09:20 |
| Izzeh | I've always longed for symlink implementation in windows | 09:20 |
| jaem | n900-space: If you want a technical answer, go read up on filesystems and inodes. If you want a quick answer, wikipedia will probably be better. | 09:20 |
| Izzeh | shortcuts just don't work the same | 09:20 |
| luke-jr | Izzeh: the drivers support symlinks, but not userland so much | 09:20 |
| Izzeh | well there you go.. learn something new every day | 09:20 |
| merlincorey | luke-jr: so on rereading it, am I correct in reading it that you are saying tmux and other such applications are reading for '\n' specifically, rather than the ENTER keysym (or what not at the X level)? | 09:20 |
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| n900-space | hmmm | 09:21 |
| jaem | luke-jr: the /really/ quick answer for this case is that /home/user/MyDocs is referenced by a symlink in /home/developer, which allows it to "appear" there. | 09:21 |
| luke-jr | merlincorey: SSH doesn't pass X events | 09:21 |
| jaem | that was @n900-space | 09:21 |
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| merlincorey | luke-jr: well, yeah, but the osso-term program is an X program, however I see your point in my flawed reasoning XD | 09:21 |
| n900-space | so nokia makes a user names 'developer', but uses for it the same directories that the /home/user has | 09:21 |
| merlincorey | so the question still remains, what the hell are they doing O_o (hard to prod someone to fix if I don't really know the cause) | 09:22 |
| luke-jr | n900-space: only MyDocs is linked, probably | 09:22 |
| jaem | n900-space: No... /home/user/MyDocs is where all your stuff /is/ | 09:22 |
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| jaem | /home/developer/MyDocs is a "reference" to the other one. | 09:22 |
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| jaem | You can access the same files in /home/developer, but the symlink "file" itself is a separate entity, and deleting it won't remove the original files. | 09:22 |
| n900-space | developer login has different right too probably ? | 09:22 |
| jaem | Do note that deleting the files *inside* the symlinked directory *will* delete the originals. | 09:23 |
| n900-space | rights* | 09:23 |
| jaem | n900-space: it's on FAT, so it's not an issue | 09:23 |
| n900-space | yea | 09:23 |
| luke-jr | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Symlink | 09:23 |
| jaem | n900-space: Also, regarding the developer account, it's much easier to use certificate-based authentication. | 09:23 |
| Izzeh | hmm actually.. linking both these discussions together | 09:23 |
| jaem | Then just pass ssh/scp the "-i /path/to/private/key" switch when you login | 09:23 |
| Izzeh | is this why issues are encountered symlinking on fat? | 09:24 |
| jaem | Izzeh: IIRC, FAT does not support them, so yes | 09:24 |
| luke-jr | Linux vfat driver should support Shortcuts | 09:25 |
| luke-jr | :p | 09:25 |
| jaem | luke-jr: pff | 09:26 |
| n900-space | n900's filesystem fat ? | 09:26 |
| luke-jr | jaem: Cygwin does it! | 09:26 |
| jaem | n900-space: The partition that MyDocs is on is, yes. | 09:26 |
| jaem | /home/user and / are not. | 09:26 |
| n900-space | or there are multiple fs inthere doing their jobs | 09:26 |
| jaem | n900-space: there's a page on the Maemo wiki | 09:26 |
| jaem | I think it's called something like "What the heck, Nokia?!" XP | 09:26 |
| * jaem ducks | 09:26 | |
| n900-space | why not the usual ext3? is that explained somewhere? | 09:27 |
| Izzeh | alls I know is quake 3 seems to hate being symlinked from /home/user/baseq3 to somewhere inside MyDocs.. but that's probably sloppy programming | 09:27 |
| jaem | n900-space: traditional journalling filesystems are hard on Flash | 09:27 |
| luke-jr | n900-space: /home is ext3; as to why not-- ext3 is not designed for solid-state | 09:27 |
| luke-jr | n900-space: MyDocs is FAT so you can access it in Windows | 09:27 |
| Izzeh | its also not mountable in windows (and mac?) | 09:27 |
| asj | n900-space: the main docs area is fat so you can use usb mass storage | 09:27 |
| n900-space | not designed for solid states ... | 09:28 |
| n900-space | ok i got a question coming to my mind | 09:28 |
| n900-space | maybe stupid :p | 09:28 |
| luke-jr | n900-space: for solid-state drives, ext2 is better than ext3 | 09:28 |
| luke-jr | but best is the newer stuff like logfs | 09:28 |
| jaem | Whereabouts does Maemo keep its config for which partition(s) are mountable via g_file_storage? I know when dual-booting on my N810, things sometimes got messed up with non-standard partitioning schemes | 09:28 |
| Izzeh | I really hate how much windows has held back partitioning | 09:29 |
| Izzeh | NTFS has slowed so many things down | 09:29 |
| n900-space | when you laptop has a solid state drive, and you are installling linux on it, wud you not chose ext for / ? | 09:29 |
| n900-space | your* | 09:29 |
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| luke-jr | n900-space: I recently got one. I did ext4 minus journal | 09:29 |
| luke-jr | so kindof a hybrid ext2/ext4 | 09:29 |
| n900-space | ext4 minus journal means ? | 09:30 |
| luke-jr | ext3 minus journal = ext2 | 09:30 |
| n900-space | aha | 09:30 |
| luke-jr | ext4 = ext3 + extents + ⁇? | 09:30 |
| n900-space | hehe | 09:31 |
| n900-space | interesting | 09:31 |
| peb | Hi folks, is there any (good) meeGo IRC channel already? | 09:31 |
| n900-space | aha, manu pluses and minuses going on | 09:31 |
| Izzeh | unnecessarily confusing, the lot of it | 09:31 |
| luke-jr | peb: #meego | 09:31 |
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| n900-space | #meego :) | 09:31 |
| Izzeh | windows needs to step up with an open source filesystem so we can finally be unified :P | 09:31 |
| luke-jr | #meego2bed | 09:31 |
| peb | OKok ... I'll grab a cup of coffee first, seems the night was to long ... | 09:31 |
| luke-jr | Izzeh: … who uses Windows? | 09:32 |
| n900-space | microsoft is disappointing | 09:32 |
| Izzeh | unfortunately the majority | 09:32 |
| Izzeh | and majority rules | 09:32 |
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| luke-jr | no | 09:32 |
| luke-jr | majority are idiots | 09:32 |
| n900-space | recently they even closed their developer nntp channels .. or r about to , given the notice to switch to there unltra slow web based ui | 09:32 |
| jaem | luke-jr: "majority fools"? | 09:32 |
| Izzeh | yep... hence why Apple runs supreme | 09:32 |
| Izzeh | but its the way things work | 09:32 |
| luke-jr | lol | 09:32 |
| luke-jr | Izzeh: fight the majority! :P | 09:33 |
| luke-jr | use Tonal! | 09:33 |
| luke-jr | <.< | 09:33 |
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| Izzeh | LOL | 09:33 |
| Izzeh | =x | 09:33 |
| n900-space | even apple is not minority anymore | 09:33 |
| n900-space | i see macbook pros everyyyyywhere !!!!!!!!!!!!! | 09:33 |
| luke-jr | Apple is the nemesis of open source | 09:33 |
| Izzeh | yeah but all of jobs ideas are fking retarded/outdated | 09:33 |
| luke-jr | Apple makes Microsoft look *good* | 09:34 |
| Izzeh | LOL | 09:34 |
| jaem | luke-jr: Yet it is interesting how they silently leech off of FOSS | 09:34 |
| Izzeh | was just about to say that | 09:34 |
| n900-space | so is microsoft | 09:34 |
| luke-jr | jaem: that's half the point | 09:34 |
| Izzeh | but imagine where we would be now.. if NTFS had have been an open filesystem | 09:34 |
| luke-jr | n900-space: at least Microsoft supports open PCs | 09:34 |
| Izzeh | none of these pain in the ass 4gb filesize limits when working between microsoft/linux/mac | 09:34 |
| luke-jr | Apple wants *everything* closed | 09:34 |
| jaem | Speaking of Apple and FOSS, a friend who was going through WebKit code found a "goto". >_< | 09:34 |
| n900-space | yes luke-jr | 09:34 |
| luke-jr | Izzeh: you can get ext2 drivers for Windows, stop whining | 09:34 |
| asj | jaem: OMG!!!!!! don't look in the kernel | 09:35 |
| luke-jr | jaem: sometimes it's the only sane way to cleanup in C ☺ | 09:35 |
| jaem | asj: Don't tell me it has comefrom's in it? :P | 09:35 |
| Izzeh | orly? I haven't looked in to this in a couple years, but I was under the impression NTFS on linux = read only (and barely) and extX on windows = corrupt drives quite often | 09:36 |
| luke-jr | although WebKit should be C++… | 09:36 |
| n900-space | hehe jaem , i think that windows 2000 source that got leaked back in the start of year 2000, had a lot of gotos | 09:36 |
| jaem | luke-jr: it is, AFAIK | 09:36 |
| luke-jr | Izzeh: Linux has read-write on NTFS for a number of years now | 09:36 |
| Izzeh | lol I am behind the times :P | 09:36 |
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| Corsac | look at ntfs-3g | 09:36 |
| luke-jr | and as far as I'm concerned, if Windows touches a drive, it's already corrupt | 09:36 |
| luke-jr | :p | 09:36 |
| Izzeh | (also should point out I know there are limitations of NTFS... but had it been OS it would have enabled a step in the right direction) | 09:37 |
| n900-space | lol | 09:37 |
| asj | jaem: it's faily normal error handeling: if(!alloc_mem()) return -EFAIL; if(!alloc_more_mem()) goto cleanup; if(!alloc_even_more()) goto cleanup_more; init_stuff; return 0; cleanup_more: free() cleanup: free(); return -EFAIL; | 09:37 |
| jaem | luke-jr: Yes, I've always like their "I don't recognize this filesystem, so let's give the user a nice big "FORMAT" button to accidentally click" approach | 09:37 |
| jaem | asj: Blech. | 09:37 |
| asj | jaem: ot | 09:37 |
| * luke-jr formats jaem | 09:37 | |
| asj | jaem: it's fairly clean and easy to read code when not writen on 1 line ;) | 09:38 |
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| luke-jr | asj: how many apps actually have error handling on malloc? | 09:38 |
| asj | luke-jr: kmalloc(big, GFP_ATOMIC) == easy | 09:38 |
| luke-jr | kmalloc != malloc :p | 09:39 |
| luke-jr | hmm, I just realized I don't use malloc very often in general | 09:39 |
| Izzeh | lol jaem... I fell for that back in the day. Lost nearly 2 months of work on a 256 mb hard drive | 09:39 |
| luke-jr | just put everything on the stack | 09:39 |
| asj | luke-jr: not checking return values, especially malloc and of things that "never fail" is a big big aboo of mine | 09:39 |
| luke-jr | asj: exceptions are a big thing C sucks at | 09:40 |
| asj | luke-jr: exceptions are too high level for C. Though longjmp is fun :) | 09:40 |
| luke-jr | asj: don't need to be | 09:40 |
| luke-jr | it could be a signal, for instance | 09:40 |
| luke-jr | or even "ON ERROR GOTO ___" | 09:41 |
| asj | luke-jr: signals are problematic enough, jesus I don't want more. | 09:41 |
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| luke-jr | meh, signals work fine for me | 09:41 |
| luke-jr | just a bit crufty | 09:41 |
| asj | I bet EINTR is one of the least checked return values | 09:41 |
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| luke-jr | I don't think it's possible to get that.. | 09:41 |
| luke-jr | isn't the stdlib supposed to retry automatically | 09:42 |
| luke-jr | ? | 09:42 |
| asj | luke-jr: not afaik | 09:42 |
| asj | hence why sleep functions like nanosleep return the amount of time left to sleep | 09:42 |
| Izzeh | OT question: how painful is assembly going to be? I have an introduction to microprocessors labratory tomorrow morning :P | 09:43 |
| jaem | Izzeh: It depends on your prof and your hardware. :) | 09:43 |
| asj | Izzeh: which up? | 09:43 |
| luke-jr | Izzeh: totally depends on what assembly language | 09:43 |
| luke-jr | Izzeh: MIPS is fun insane | 09:44 |
| Izzeh | uhhh 2 secs | 09:44 |
| jaem | Big fat dead-tree reference manual, pencil, and a hex keypad? Good Fun! | 09:44 |
| jaem | Ahem | 09:44 |
| asj | jaem: hey, I think everyone should hand assemble at least a few lines of code | 09:44 |
| luke-jr | I wrote a MIPS emulator once for probably no good reason | 09:44 |
| jaem | They never got around to setting up the computers that year. >_< | 09:44 |
| jaem | asj: Oh, I agree. The *learning experience* was good, but it was painful | 09:44 |
| jaem | Also the fact that we had to write it all on paper with a pencil and eraser. | 09:45 |
| luke-jr | asj: hand assemble meaning write the assembly, or write the bytecode? | 09:45 |
| Duckboot | Gimme some ol'fashioned debugging with a 2 digit display and a RS232. | 09:45 |
| Izzeh | I'm studying ECE Engineering.. so its almost vital | 09:45 |
| jaem | Even doing high-level code on paper is lousy... ASM is not cool | 09:45 |
| Izzeh | (as it C... which I really hate) | 09:45 |
| jaem | Izzeh: myself as well. | 09:45 |
| jaem | Oh great, my phone won't flash. | 09:45 |
| asj | luke-jr: convert assembly to machine language | 09:45 |
| luke-jr | asj: that's ugly for MIPS IIRC | 09:45 |
| asj | luke-jr: 08 fa 45 12 00 ff 34... | 09:45 |
| jaem | Both the phone and the (Linux) flasher appear to be hung before the process started. | 09:46 |
| jaem | What the heck? | 09:46 |
| Izzeh | hmm ok.. we're working with a HS12X controller | 09:46 |
| luke-jr | a single "assembly" instruction can equal multiple real instructions… | 09:46 |
| Izzeh | which is freescale? | 09:46 |
| jaem | Izzeh: Ah, those, yes. | 09:46 |
| Duckboot | luke-jr: That's CISC | 09:46 |
| luke-jr | Izzeh: Freescale doesn't do only one arch | 09:46 |
| luke-jr | Duckboot: not really | 09:46 |
| Izzeh | I recall the demonstrator mentioning his hate for MIPS... but I could be confused with another acronym :P | 09:46 |
| Duckboot | luke-jr: That's ~CISC | 09:47 |
| luke-jr | Duckboot: CISC would be a single complex instruction as bytecode | 09:47 |
| asj | Izzeh: anyways, assembly is good to know. I tend to read it more than write it, especially when debugging | 09:47 |
| jaem | Suggestions, folks? I'm hesitant to just pull the battery, but I don't see any alternatives. | 09:47 |
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| Izzeh | yeah it sounds like it'll be a challenge at least | 09:48 |
| Izzeh | more-so than the 'how many vertices' type C codes.. and definitely more so than matlab | 09:48 |
| Duckboot | MIPS is great fun - Nice and clean instruction set. | 09:48 |
| asj | Izzeh: once I got this little 8051 (keyboard controller) pumping data at 8mbits/sec by bit banging a gpio, and that's bloody fast, could never have done without assembly and "tricks" | 09:48 |
| Izzeh | exactly what lecturer stated | 09:49 |
| Izzeh | part of his old occupation was rewriting sections of C in straight assembly for optimization | 09:50 |
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| Izzeh | so at least he knows his stuff | 09:50 |
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| asj | Izzeh: but it's shit like this: arrithmetic rotate left, which copies the msb into the carry (tricky tricky), then move.carry which moves the carry bit into a gpio register, which is a bit operator very rare, and a couple toggles for the clock. total of 4 instructions, 1 clock cycle each | 09:51 |
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| jaem | Does bootmenu do anything odd related to Flashing on the N900? | 09:55 |
| jaem | I've never had issues before, but something is definitely weird right now | 09:56 |
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| Izzeh | it had some really weird issues | 09:56 |
| Izzeh | which is why nitdroid moved away from it | 09:56 |
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| Izzeh | qualitatively I've no idea what those are though :P | 09:57 |
| jaem | Gah... now flasher won't die. | 09:58 |
| jaem | brb - reboot | 09:58 |
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| jaem | let's try this again... :/ | 10:02 |
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| jaem | flasher is just sitting at the "Suitable USB device not found, waiting." line, and the N900 is not booting or flashing. >_< | 10:04 |
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| Izzeh | linux or windows? | 10:05 |
| jaem | Izzeh: Linux, and I've done this plenty of times before. | 10:06 |
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| jaem | The only potentially-relevant thing that has changed since the last time I did this was the addition of bootmenu. | 10:06 |
| jaem | Let's see if I can boot and remove it... | 10:06 |
| Izzeh | ensure kickstand is in, camera lens closed, remove microSD and hold your breath with your tongue stuck to one side | 10:07 |
| jaem | Izzeh: Should I stand on my head as well? | 10:08 |
| Izzeh | it certainly couldn't hurt! | 10:09 |
| jaem | ... | 10:12 |
| jaem | Are necks *supposed* to make that noise? | 10:12 |
| Duckboot | jaem: Probably not, but they do. | 10:12 |
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| Izzeh | I stand corrected.. | 10:14 |
| Izzeh | it could, quite literally, hurt | 10:14 |
| jaem | Ah | 10:15 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: are you there | 10:15 |
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| TomaszD | Stskeeps, drowned yet? | 10:19 |
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| Stskeeps | no, but it did look like it rained a fair bit yesterday | 10:19 |
| Stskeeps | and i'm at 9th floor, so drowning is .. difficult | 10:19 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 10:19 |
| TomaszD | ah, right, Secure Office is on the top floor specifically for that reason | 10:19 |
| Izzeh | I'm on the 10th where I am.. and it was damn near close :P | 10:19 |
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| TomaszD | so that it's Secure | 10:19 |
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| Termana | Stskeeps, TomaszD, what do you guys do, have life boats near all windows so if the water level rises you can jump out? | 10:21 |
| Termana | :P | 10:21 |
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| TomaszD | nah, but recentely I was travelling with one of my friends by a 4x4 car during a massive rainfall and there was an insane lake in the middle of the road, his 4x4 almost stalled and water got inside the footwells | 10:22 |
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| TomaszD | there are rubber plugs in the footwells for drainage, he removed them as he has a leaking soft top... so water got inside through them heh | 10:23 |
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| jaem | Goodnight, all | 10:24 |
| Termana | jaem, good night | 10:24 |
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| Izzeh | ideally you want the cabin of a 4x4 to fload | 10:25 |
| Izzeh | flood** | 10:25 |
| Izzeh | else it will float and off down the river you go | 10:25 |
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| kerio | gaah, i missed the antiapple troll | 10:35 |
| kerio | :( | 10:35 |
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| psycho_oreos | and you were planning to make a stand for apple? | 10:37 |
| crashanddie | what anti-apple troll? | 10:38 |
| crashanddie | psycho_oreos: sure, why not? | 10:38 |
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| psycho_oreos | crashanddie, I'd love to see that :p in the middle of maemo channel here comes someone who'll support apple | 10:38 |
| crashanddie | erhm... | 10:41 |
| crashanddie | I support Apple? | 10:42 |
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| Appiah | I support BP | 10:43 |
| psycho_oreos | BP? | 10:43 |
| Termana | lol | 10:43 |
| Appiah | oh I thought we were namedropping corps we support | 10:43 |
| * crashanddie facepalms | 10:43 | |
| crashanddie | psycho_oreos: british petroleum? | 10:44 |
| Termana | psycho_oreos, you haven't heard of the oil spill? :P | 10:44 |
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| psycho_oreos | I was more interested in the debate from apple hater vs apple lover in this very chan, normally it'd be android owners versing iphone, not some misc. support | 10:44 |
| psycho_oreos | crashanddie, yeah that was the first acronym that I thought but then there were plenty others that I later thought within a short amount of time frame :p | 10:45 |
| psycho_oreos | Termana, yes the one near US, made itself popular in news around the world | 10:45 |
| Termana | Appiah owns stock in BP | 10:46 |
| Termana | :D | 10:46 |
| crashanddie | i own stock in apple | 10:46 |
| * kerio supports | 10:47 | |
| kerio | os x is a great os | 10:47 |
| kerio | and the iphone... if you need all the things that jobs doesn't want you to do, you're probably not in the "intended demographics" | 10:47 |
| kerio | i see my stupid friends with the iphone... if anything, it should be *more* dumbed down | 10:47 |
| psycho_oreos | BP should probably give him 20 gallons of free fuel and for every other shareholder keeping place | 10:47 |
| Termana | crashanddie, Rich in the pocket, poor in the soul | 10:47 |
| Termana | :P | 10:47 |
| MiXu- | kerio: lol | 10:47 |
| kerio | hey, they're perfectly happy with the app store, and all the easy-to-install games | 10:48 |
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| SwedeMike | the iphone is great when you do things the way jobs intended, otherwise it's quite sucky. | 10:48 |
| psycho_oreos | kerio, I don't deny whatever the stuff rolling out of apple is absolutely crap but the way jobs handles its fans is kinda like adolf hitler | 10:48 |
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| SwedeMike | apple does great stuff, as long as you do it the way they intended it works great, I'm sure it's a great experience, it'st just not for me. | 10:49 |
| kerio | ask them about tethering, they'll answer "bwhaaa?" | 10:49 |
| SwedeMike | kerio: tethering is limited due to AT&T etc, it's not a technical problem. | 10:49 |
| kerio | SwedeMike: that's why you're in #maemo | 10:49 |
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| kerio | yeah, i know, but most users don't really care | 10:50 |
| SwedeMike | kerio: my girlfriend has an ipod touch, for her it seems to work quite well, but I just can't get over the fact that without a computer with itunes and an account with a credit card for itunes store, it's a brick. | 10:50 |
| crashanddie | psycho_oreos: you've lost the argument | 10:51 |
| crashanddie | psycho_oreos: please leave the channel | 10:51 |
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| crashanddie | psycho_oreos: godwin's law. | 10:51 |
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| psycho_oreos | crashanddie, no but you can | 10:51 |
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| crashanddie | sure | 10:51 |
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| crashanddie | oh shoot, I wanted to leave... | 10:52 |
| crashanddie | Guess ChanServ won't let me. Now change the subject. | 10:52 |
| * psycho_oreos shakes head, sadistic threats | 10:52 | |
| kerio | (technically you don't need a CC for an account, anyway...) try to reflash the n900 without a computer ;) | 10:52 |
| kerio | crashanddie: godwin's law doesn't talk about winning an argument | 10:52 |
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| crashanddie | well, it does induce the fact that there is no point in continuing cuz no good will come of it | 10:53 |
| Jaffa | Morning, all | 10:53 |
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| kerio | crashanddie: but who won?!?!?!? | 10:53 |
| crashanddie | Jaffa: morning mate | 10:53 |
| crashanddie | kerio: nobody | 10:53 |
| kerio | :( | 10:53 |
| kerio | godwin's law sucks | 10:54 |
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| crashanddie | DocScrutinizer51: just to be an arse: two other interviews early next week :P | 10:57 |
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| jacekowski | SwedeMike: i wouldn't have problem that it requires credit card and itunes account | 11:02 |
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| jacekowski | SwedeMike: it's just iTunes that's slow and sucks | 11:02 |
| jacekowski | and behaves in a way i'm not used to | 11:02 |
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| SwedeMike | jacekowski: I definitely agree that it doesn't work in a way I'm used to, my 20+ years of computer experience doesn't work. | 11:08 |
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| D-Iivil_Work | MohammadAG51, ping | 11:16 |
| kerio | SwedeMike: you're not cool enough to use the iphone ;) | 11:16 |
| technomike | hahaha | 11:18 |
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| SwedeMike | kerio: or not ignorant enough :P | 11:26 |
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| Khertan_ | Hi ! | 11:59 |
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| lcuk | hi Khertan_ \o | 12:04 |
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| chem|st | SwedeMike: not cool enough to be part of 'it' (whatever 'it' is) | 12:04 |
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| chem|st | anyone had a look at julius yet? | 12:08 |
| lcuk | chem|st, what is this | 12:09 |
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| chem|st | lcuk: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julius_(software) | 12:14 |
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| lcuk | chem|st, ooo is it ported? | 12:27 |
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| Izzeh | quick way in shell to see if bluetooth is active? | 12:33 |
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| jacekowski | hcitool probably | 12:35 |
| jacekowski | or dbus | 12:35 |
| Izzeh | writing a shell script.. its been far too long... lol | 12:37 |
| lcuk | yes, "hcitool dev" should work | 12:37 |
| lcuk | Izzeh, they always take longer | 12:37 |
| Izzeh | thanks lcuk | 12:38 |
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| chem|st | lcuk: that was my question, 'if' anyone is looking at it... should be available for easy debian anyway | 12:43 |
| * crashanddie waves at lcuk | 12:43 | |
| crashanddie | and at chem|st, too | 12:43 |
| chem|st | guten morgen! | 12:43 |
| crashanddie | wie gehts? | 12:43 |
| lcuk | hi crashanddie | 12:44 |
| crashanddie | how's it going guv? | 12:45 |
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| lcuk | good crashanddie :) just busy right now, will stop and have a brew in a bit | 12:46 |
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| crashanddie | k | 12:47 |
| chem|st | down under... delphi sucks | 12:48 |
| Izzeh | any editors that'll work inside ssh other than vi? | 12:49 |
| chem|st | nitdroid.com down? | 12:49 |
| chem|st | Izzeh: hundreds | 12:49 |
| Izzeh | available for n900 in a neat little package? :P | 12:49 |
| Izzeh | also nitdroid.com is timing out for me also | 12:50 |
| Izzeh | if your after files the files2.nitdroid.com mirror is up though | 12:50 |
| chem|st | Izzeh: whats wrong with vi? | 12:51 |
| Izzeh | its like 80 years old :P | 12:51 |
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| chem|st | Izzeh: nevermind... | 12:51 |
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| chem|st | Izzeh: try vim | 12:52 |
| Izzeh | hmm just grabbed nano.. it'll do the job | 12:52 |
| ShadowJK | nano | 12:52 |
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| timeless_mbp | Izzeh: pico/nano should work.. | 12:57 |
| timeless_mbp | ed/joe should too | 12:57 |
| timeless_mbp | personally, i'd suggest edlin :) | 12:57 |
| timeless_mbp | you should be able to use it w/ freedos :) | 12:58 |
| Izzeh | lol nano will do the job its just a shell script with about 70 lines of echos inside a case statement | 12:59 |
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| lcuk | am I right in thinking that maemo packages interface does not search within full package titles or descriptions for keywords? | 13:09 |
| lcuk | http://maemo.org/packages/search/?org_maemo_packages_search[1][property]=name&org_maemo_packages_search[1][constraint]=LIKE&org_maemo_packages_search[1][value]=Facebook | 13:09 |
| lcuk | misses: http://maemo.org/packages/view/fb-migrator/ | 13:09 |
| lcuk | "Facebook migrator" is its user readable title | 13:09 |
| lcuk | X-Fade, is that a known issue? | 13:09 |
| X-Fade | lcuk: That is correct. Let me see if I can improve that ;) | 13:10 |
| lcuk | bonus \o/ | 13:10 |
| timeless_mbp | cool | 13:19 |
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| MohammadAG51 | morning | 13:28 |
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| alterego | Hello MohammadAG51 :) | 13:32 |
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| MohammadAG51 | hey alterego | 13:35 |
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| Izzeh | dpkg option to check if a .deb file is already installed? or any other way to quickly check? | 13:44 |
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| toggles_w | dpkg --get-selections? | 13:46 |
| timeless_mbp | dpkg -l ? | 13:47 |
| lcuk | dpkg -s [package] shows info and has a status: field | 13:47 |
| lcuk | "install ok installed" | 13:47 |
| timeless_mbp | note that a .deb isn't really as meaningful as you think | 13:47 |
| timeless_mbp | because i can name package foopy-bar "a.deb" | 13:47 |
| timeless_mbp | or at the very least a package foopy-bar might be foopy-bar-i386.deb or foopy-bar-all.deb or whatever | 13:48 |
| Izzeh | yeah I'm not after anything too practical.. jsut enough to stop my script reinstalling every time I run it | 13:48 |
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| timeless_mbp | oops | 13:49 |
| lcuk | dpkg -s [somethingnotinstalled] says package is not installed (instead of showing info) | 13:49 |
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| chem|st | Izzeh: dpkg-query -s <packagename>|grep Status|awk '(print $2)' | 13:49 |
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| timeless_mbp | chem|st: just trying to be different, eh? :) | 13:49 |
| chem|st | timeless_mbp: anytime ;) | 13:49 |
| Izzeh | damnit I'm too lazy to write an if statement for all the packages :P | 13:50 |
| timeless_mbp | you could just install each time :-b | 13:51 |
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| Izzeh | yeah its like 11 massive packages though :P takes ~30 seconds | 13:51 |
| timeless_mbp | or create a mini repo and ask apt-get to install something | 13:51 |
| timeless_mbp | let apt figure out if things are missing | 13:51 |
| Izzeh | also reinstalling overwrites my configs :P | 13:51 |
| timeless_mbp | dpkg-scanpackages or apt-ftparchive | 13:52 |
| Izzeh | bugger it I'll do it lazy style | 13:52 |
| Izzeh | echo 'installed' > fileinstalled | 13:52 |
| Izzeh | and if installed then | 13:52 |
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| th3hate | jacekowski, still working on froyos flash? | 14:04 |
| jacekowski | sort of | 14:05 |
| jacekowski | i'm doing other stuff at the same time as well | 14:05 |
| Izzeh | isn't there a debian arm flash version available? | 14:05 |
| Izzeh | surely froyo's flash would work completely differentially? being its inside a vm? | 14:06 |
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| jacekowski | it's not inside a vm | 14:06 |
| jacekowski | it's native | 14:06 |
| X-Fade | the one on device contains a lot of maemo specific code. It is not a plain flash dump received from adobe. | 14:06 |
| chem|st | how do I start into maemo with multiboot? | 14:06 |
| Izzeh | I figure as much, just thought if your going hex diving then starting from an arm deb version would be much better | 14:07 |
| Izzeh | slide open keypad chemist? | 14:07 |
| Izzeh | and select option 0 | 14:07 |
| th3hate | option 1 actually | 14:07 |
| th3hate | at least for me | 14:07 |
| Izzeh | I have power kernel installed and that shows as option 1 | 14:07 |
| chem|st | ty | 14:07 |
| chem|st | 0 it is | 14:08 |
| Izzeh | option 0 works in both instances I believe | 14:08 |
| th3hate | option 1 is default and option 2 is power kernel for me | 14:08 |
| MohammadAG51 | ~seen crashanddie | 14:08 |
| infobot | crashanddie <~slauwers@Maemo/community/contributor/crashanddie> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 1h 21m 6s ago, saying: 'k'. | 14:08 |
| Izzeh | hmm... anyone know if default busybox shell has case? my N900 is flat :S | 14:08 |
| Izzeh | or am I gonna have to use bash? | 14:08 |
| Izzeh | (as in case/switch) | 14:09 |
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| crashanddie | MohammadAG51: after my input on the neopwn thread, I think that if it were to ever be released, we would easily find a "if (username == 'crashanddie') segfault();" in the code :P | 14:14 |
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| jacekowski | hmm that may not be true | 14:17 |
| jacekowski | it may be vm shit | 14:17 |
| jacekowski | or something | 14:17 |
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| Izzeh | lol I actually came to the same conclusion crashanddie :P | 14:18 |
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| Izzeh | keep going and it may end up being a sudo rm -rf /* | 14:18 |
| jacekowski | do you have link for that thread maybe | 14:19 |
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| korhojoa | hey guys. anyone had a problem with tv out? | 14:20 |
| korhojoa | i can't seem to get it to work | 14:21 |
| korhojoa | got my dads n900 here next to me, it works fine. mine however, when connected, does nothing | 14:21 |
| crashanddie | jacekowski: the post you told me I was "a bit rude" | 14:21 |
| korhojoa | it shows that the headphone is connected in dmesg | 14:21 |
| korhojoa | but doesn't show anything | 14:21 |
| crashanddie | jacekowski: responses after my reply: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=45472&page=23 | 14:21 |
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| korhojoa | no state change like with the headset or headphones | 14:21 |
| Izzeh | korhojoa I had issues as well | 14:22 |
| Izzeh | I found I came back the next day and it worked perfectly | 14:22 |
| Izzeh | sorry I can't be more helpful | 14:22 |
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| Izzeh | I inferred after a while that the nitdroid (the old, compatabile) kernel was causing it | 14:22 |
| Jartza | I had the same problem once. hard boot (removing battery) fixed the issue. | 14:22 |
| Izzeh | try reflash the basic power kernel? | 14:23 |
| Izzeh | (after doing the usual reboot/hard reboot of course) | 14:23 |
| korhojoa | Izzeh: well, it's got the new multiboot selector that autoflashes | 14:23 |
| Izzeh | (or default kernel if you don't use power) | 14:23 |
| korhojoa | argh. | 14:23 |
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| Izzeh | lol I can't imagine the new one would cause any issues.. as if it was still installed you wouldn't be able to boot maemo | 14:23 |
| Izzeh | random question: don't have anything infront of me to test.. does = need to be exited in sed? | 14:24 |
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| jo-erlend | can someone tell me how to install ddclient on n900? | 14:30 |
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| Izzeh | why does sed hate me soooo | 14:34 |
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| crashanddie | ~seen swc|666 | 14:36 |
| infobot | swc|666 <~neopwn@unaffiliated/swc666/x-4934821> was last seen on IRC in channel #meego, 9d 8h 12m 54s ago, saying: 'is meego using busybox or no?'. | 14:36 |
| crashanddie | MohammadAG51: look at the ident for that user | 14:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ~botsnack | 14:36 |
| infobot | :), DocScrutinizer | 14:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~status | 14:37 |
| infobot | Since Thu Jul 29 06:58:13 2010, there have been 0 modifications, 32 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 35 commands. I have been awake for 4h 38m 48s this session, and currently reference 117187 factoids. I'm using about 16472 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 364.18/25.91 child 0.02/0.02 | 14:37 |
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| MohammadAG51 | crashanddie, i know, someone on another server told me about him | 14:38 |
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| Macer | great | 14:41 |
| Macer | now the email app doesn't seem to be refreshing my local server | 14:41 |
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| MohammadAG51 | Macer, shove a uranium ore in it | 14:41 |
| Macer | yah | 14:42 |
| Macer | that'll fix it :) | 14:42 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I don't believe I'm saying that... Which neopwn thread? | 14:46 |
| chem|st | lol | 14:47 |
| crashanddie | DocScrutinizer: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=767563#post767563 | 14:49 |
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| SpeedEvil | QA thoughts. | 14:55 |
| korhojoa | ~nibble me | 14:56 |
| infobot | bites korhojoa in the ear | 14:56 |
| SpeedEvil | Is a package that violates others terms of service ever a fail on QA tests? | 14:56 |
| korhojoa | heh. tickles >: | 14:56 |
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| crashanddie | SpeedEvil: well, it depends. | 14:57 |
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| crashanddie | SpeedEvil: if the only feature (or main feature) will infringe valid and reasonable terms of services, then I believe it ought to fail | 14:58 |
| Izzeh | *just remembered why he hates coding.. just lost 2 hours on a basic script* | 14:58 |
| SpeedEvil | http://maemo.org/packages/view/adventure-tablet/ - for example - uses openstreetmaps maps without the required attribution as its major feature. | 14:58 |
| crashanddie | SpeedEvil: if however, a side effect of using a secondary feature is the infringement of a ToS of something that nobody cares about ... it's moot | 14:59 |
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| crashanddie | SpeedEvil: fail. | 14:59 |
| X-Fade | SpeedEvil: Complain to bergie, he's in here too ;) | 14:59 |
| SpeedEvil | I think I'll start with a nice comment - the app could do with an 'about' page anyway - which would easily fix. | 15:00 |
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| bergie | SpeedEvil: the GSoC student is actually working on an About screen right at the moment :-) | 15:00 |
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| SpeedEvil | :) | 15:01 |
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| SpeedEvil | Yeah - I was more meaning in the generic rather than specific case. I just happened to notice your app as a - somewhat trivial - example. | 15:01 |
| SpeedEvil | somewhat trivial in terms of license violations I mean | 15:01 |
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| SpeedEvil | bergie: Also - you might want to consider powering down the GPS after n seconds of screenlock. | 15:02 |
| bergie | SpeedEvil: it might be nice if osm-gps-map provided a method for getting appropriate attribution text for different map providers | 15:03 |
| bergie | SpeedEvil: I'll mention that to her, we'll be hacking tonight anyway | 15:03 |
| bergie | there's a major new version coming soon with adventure sharing etc | 15:03 |
| bergie | so you can see also other players moving on the map | 15:03 |
| bergie | SpeedEvil: can you mention those issues on http://github.com/cannonerd/adventure_tablet/issues so they are not forgotten? | 15:04 |
| SpeedEvil | bergie: Neat. | 15:04 |
| SpeedEvil | k | 15:04 |
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| SpeedEvil | hmm. | 15:05 |
| SpeedEvil | Another mistake. | 15:05 |
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| SpeedEvil | 'You are signing up for the free plan The cost for this plan is $0 per month. You can cancel, downgrade, or upgrade at any time.' | 15:06 |
| SpeedEvil | How does one downgrade from a $0 plan. | 15:06 |
| Stskeeps | -1$ | 15:06 |
| Stskeeps | they pay you. | 15:06 |
| Wolfie | wow... i'm surprised by the emotion in that neopwn thread | 15:06 |
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| Wolfie | i mean... I'd be a hugely happy camper, would my build tool have as many passionate followers | 15:06 |
| frals | link? | 15:06 |
| Wolfie | frals: you mean for my build tool? it's for java, before anyone gets their hopes up: http://wiki.github.com/wolfie/Bob/ | 15:07 |
| Wolfie | (while i'm at it, the code is at http://github.com/wolfie/Bob, and an Bob's bootstrapping build code is at http://github.com/wolfie/Bob/blob/master/bob/Default.java( | 15:08 |
| Wolfie | </ad> | 15:08 |
| crashanddie | Wolfie: it's not about passionate followers, really | 15:09 |
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| Wolfie | crashanddie: it's not? i saw a lot of passion, and a few self-declared followers, though ;) | 15:10 |
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| crashanddie | Wolfie: injection is pretty much the holy grail of the n900 at this point (that and a decent turn-by-turn gps app). It's about false promises and shallow statements | 15:10 |
| crashanddie | Wolfie: it's like someone were to scream "I'm going get Jesus back. Be ready. 3 weeks from now latest." And because the church is kinda supporting him and providing help, we all kinda believe in it, and get excited. | 15:11 |
| jacekowski | well, sygic is good enough | 15:11 |
| SpeedEvil | Get him back for what? What's he done to you? | 15:12 |
| crashanddie | second coming :P It's in the bible :P | 15:12 |
| jacekowski | i've read that there are public patches for injection in n900 chip | 15:12 |
| jacekowski | for same chip | 15:12 |
| crashanddie | jacekowski: and I'd love to see them | 15:12 |
| jacekowski | but n900 has different patches as well | 15:12 |
| crashanddie | jacekowski: if they are -- as in, they do exist and they are public -- I'll put in quite a few hours and days to get it working | 15:12 |
| jacekowski | at least that's what somebody said in that thread | 15:12 |
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| Wolfie | crashanddie: ok, fair enough. | 15:13 |
| Wolfie | crashanddie: although, there has been a lot of hubbub about this guy who allegedly found the ark of the covenant, but nobody got exactly pissed at him (afafik) | 15:14 |
| Wolfie | *afaik | 15:14 |
| crashanddie | well, that's a myth :P | 15:14 |
| crashanddie | (not that the rest of the bible isn't) | 15:14 |
| jacekowski | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=768636&postcount=239 | 15:14 |
| jacekowski | that post | 15:14 |
| crashanddie | I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of people got very, very pissed at the guy | 15:15 |
| jacekowski | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=768640&postcount=240 | 15:15 |
| jacekowski | and that | 15:15 |
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| jacekowski | hmm | 15:15 |
| crashanddie | jacekowski: did you see my reply to that guy? | 15:15 |
| crashanddie | jacekowski: and showing a list of patches isn't exactly proof of anything... those patches are completely not related... | 15:16 |
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| SpeedEvil | bergie: OK - tracker spammed. | 15:17 |
| Wolfie | excuse me for not being hacker-y enough, but what would people do with packet injection on a mobile phone? | 15:17 |
| SpeedEvil | inject packets. | 15:18 |
| Wolfie | aren't there such things for, say, laptops? | 15:18 |
| crashanddie | Wolfie: be less conspicuous? | 15:18 |
| ShadowJK | laptops dont fit in your pocket | 15:18 |
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| Wolfie | i'm still not following you. What's a practical use of packet injection? | 15:19 |
| jacekowski | hacking | 15:19 |
| Wolfie | ah | 15:19 |
| * SpeedEvil has the image of Dr Zoidberg saying 'Natures pocket!' | 15:19 | |
| jacekowski | + some other illegal actividies | 15:19 |
| SpeedEvil | and a few legal ones | 15:19 |
| crashanddie | Wolfie: I can walk around a building and smoke a cigarette while "reading my mobile", when really I'm cracking the network for a pen-test, I can't do the same with a laptop and or in a car with direction antennas without being spotted | 15:19 |
| Wolfie | alright | 15:19 |
| jacekowski | blah blah blah | 15:19 |
| Wolfie | i think i'll hold my breath for a gratis version of joiku, then ;) | 15:20 |
| jacekowski | if somebody hired you for it then you don't have to worry about that | 15:20 |
| jacekowski | otherwise it's illegal | 15:20 |
| Wolfie | (that doesn't require as much kernel hacking as the alternative does currently) | 15:20 |
| crashanddie | actually, I do. | 15:20 |
| Wolfie | jacekowski: alright | 15:20 |
| crashanddie | jacekowski: I've been hired to do pen-testing, which also tests the physical security of a building | 15:20 |
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| crashanddie | jacekowski: and in the case of wireless networks, perimeter is an important aspect of it | 15:20 |
| Izzeh | anyone bored feel like looking over this script to see why its skipping the case statement: http://pastebin.com/4BjRsbcj | 15:21 |
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| SpeedEvil | jacekowski: Or if it's your own system. | 15:21 |
| jacekowski | well, it's hard for me to imagine legal use case where you couldn't use a laptop | 15:22 |
| SpeedEvil | crashanddie: how is perimiter very important - if you can stand off 1km with a dish in a van with a flat side. | 15:22 |
| SpeedEvil | jacekowski: up a tower, clinging onto a ladder | 15:22 |
| crashanddie | SpeedEvil: it's actually a lot harder than you think to transmit packages far enough. Reading is easy, sending is hard. | 15:22 |
| SpeedEvil | crashanddie: Antennas are reversible by their nature. Gain is not one-directional. | 15:23 |
| SpeedEvil | Unless you're hitting time-of-flight limits. | 15:23 |
| crashanddie | Nope, but even though I've built directional antennas to listen from afar, the same antennas were never able to send as far. | 15:24 |
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| crashanddie | So, don't know the physics behind it, but it just doesn't work as easily both ways as you'd hope. | 15:24 |
| SpeedEvil | reciever and transmitter sensitivity are not equal. | 15:24 |
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| SpeedEvil | if the AP has a powerful transmitter, but there is for example local noise, or the reciever is insensitive, you can recieve much further than you can transmit. | 15:25 |
| crashanddie | Izzeh: removes the quotes around "a", "b" | "c" | 15:26 |
| crashanddie | and remove the spaces between value and ) too | 15:26 |
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| * SpeedEvil has a 1.2" dish with a USB stick at prime focus. | 15:27 | |
| SpeedEvil | err | 15:27 |
| SpeedEvil | 1.2m | 15:27 |
| crashanddie | lol :) | 15:27 |
| crashanddie | I quite liked the canned beef version | 15:27 |
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| SpeedEvil | Oh - also - if your antenna is mismatched, your TX may struggle or become distorted | 15:28 |
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| TermanaN900 | gah damn power keeps going out | 15:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer | crashanddie: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=45472&page=25 o.O | 16:06 |
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| MohammadAG51 | what's /usr/sbin/icd2 | 16:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=769172#post769172 actually | 16:07 |
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| timeless_mbp | MohammadAG51: google? | 16:07 |
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| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG51: where's Ur fsckng cloak?? | 16:08 |
| E0x | morning ppl | 16:08 |
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| timeless_mbp | http://www.lmgtfy.com/?q=maemo+icd2 | 16:09 |
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| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG51: quote from #freenode:Do 29. Juli 2010] |[04:05:07] <KB1JWQ|Birfday>| Project cloaks beat gateway cloaks beat unaffiliated cloaks. | 16:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG51: so please go #freenode and get an unaffiliated NOW | 16:10 |
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| jacekowski | oO | 16:11 |
| jacekowski | look | 16:11 |
| timeless_mbp | s/di/id/ | 16:11 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: http://cpkb.org/wiki/Nokia_N900_pinout | 16:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: \o/ | 16:12 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: rapuyama is cortex-a something based | 16:12 |
| jacekowski | and other thing is | 16:12 |
| jacekowski | that nolo 2nd can be replaced | 16:12 |
| jacekowski | it's only nolo x-loader that's signed | 16:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~ping | 16:12 |
| infobot | ~pong | 16:12 |
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| Jartza | aagh | 16:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | timeless_mbp: infobot hates you | 16:13 |
| Jartza | my brain is melting | 16:13 |
| timeless_mbp | DocScrutinizer: yeah, that's ok, the regexp wouldn't have done the right thing anyway | 16:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | lol | 16:13 |
| timeless_mbp | it doesn't apply to actions, only statements | 16:13 |
| toggles_w | mother trucker... | 16:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | aidium | 16:13 |
| Jartza | temp 35°C and humidity around 50% | 16:13 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: that has to be added to wiki | 16:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | ooh right, no actions | 16:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: yep, and copied, not only referred | 16:14 |
| jacekowski | how is your jig project going? | 16:15 |
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| jacekowski | and btw. | 16:17 |
| jacekowski | http://cpkb.org/wiki/BSI | 16:17 |
| jacekowski | Battery Size Indicator ( or Battery Status Indicator or Battery System Indicator ) | 16:17 |
| jacekowski | Mobile phones use BSI to identify the type and size of the used battery. This is needed to determine the current and the voltage of the charging. | 16:17 |
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| timeless_mbp | jacekowski: not written by a native speaker | 16:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: yep, nothing particularly new in BSI definition | 16:18 |
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| jacekowski | yeah, it just confirms what we know | 16:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: (jig) not even started as there's ZERO feedback about number of devices and maximum allowable cost, from potentially interested dudes | 16:20 |
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| DocScrutinizer | well, I got a BL-5J two days ago, to eventually slaughter and revamp | 16:20 |
| timeless_mbp | DocScrutinizer: it can't cost more than 20kCUR/unit ;-) | 16:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer | sure. But is anobody going to PAY that much for it? :-D | 16:21 |
| jacekowski | well, i personally would be just interested in some sort of connectors | 16:22 |
| timeless_mbp | i'll pay 1dollah | 16:22 |
| jacekowski | i was thinking about buing couple fbus/mbus cables | 16:22 |
| jacekowski | and taking them apart just for a connector | 16:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer | timeless_mbp: I mean, living in a tent with twenty of those jigs as my only companions, as I had to sell my house... not a perspective | 16:22 |
| timeless_mbp | heh | 16:22 |
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| timeless_mbp | at least you had a nice house | 16:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | (the point is I actually don't) | 16:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: any link to those cables? I'd think IF they really fit N900 they for sure need to be jig type, with battery dummy, much like FT-94 | 16:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: nice find btw | 16:25 |
| * DocScrutinizer hands jacekowski a lolly | 16:26 | |
| jacekowski | hmmm | 16:26 |
| jacekowski | http://www.fonefunshop.co.uk/Unlocking/servicecableuniversal1.htm | 16:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | UHUH! | 16:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | nice hack | 16:27 |
| jacekowski | or | 16:27 |
| jacekowski | http://www.fonefunshop.co.uk/Unlocking/servicecableuniversal2.htm | 16:27 |
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| Stskeeps | that's clever | 16:28 |
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| jacekowski | so we've got fbus mbus, serial | 16:29 |
| jacekowski | and second serial? | 16:29 |
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| jacekowski | it's probably rapuyama serial | 16:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep | 16:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | even what's called primary serial in that picture is most likely rapu for n900 | 16:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | isn't it? | 16:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: you should know by heart if it matches your finds for console AP serial | 16:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer | sorry, coffee is useless today | 16:31 |
| jacekowski | it doesn't | 16:31 |
| jacekowski | pins on that are different | 16:31 |
| jacekowski | so it's another serial | 16:32 |
| jacekowski | question is what is it for | 16:32 |
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| h4xordood | heya :) after flashing everything else seem to be workin fine but my wifi is not connecting :( | 16:33 |
| h4xordood | did any one encounterd this problem ? | 16:33 |
| h4xordood | i flashed emmc with latest vanilla image | 16:33 |
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| jacekowski | no | 16:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: as I said above: rapuyama | 16:34 |
| jacekowski | just emmc? | 16:34 |
| jacekowski | you have to flash emmc and fiasco | 16:34 |
| jacekowski | never flash emmc without fiasco | 16:34 |
| h4xordood | first rootfs with indian maemo | 16:34 |
| h4xordood | then without rebooting i flashed with emmc | 16:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | first eMMC, THEN rootfs! | 16:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | period | 16:35 |
| h4xordood | eh o_O it was written in wiki to flash rootfs and then vanilla | 16:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | doesn't matter if you REALLY didn't boot in between | 16:35 |
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| h4xordood | ah :) | 16:35 |
| h4xordood | but now wifi is not working | 16:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | yesyes, we had extended argues about it | 16:36 |
| h4xordood | but before flashing it was working | 16:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | wifi unrelated though | 16:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | maybe you should configureonce again | 16:36 |
| jacekowski | then flash it as it's been told | 16:36 |
| h4xordood | any patches or something ? | 16:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | nope | 16:36 |
| h4xordood | so i need to reflash | 16:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | check the settings for the internet connection via wlan | 16:37 |
| h4xordood | my wlan is scanned and found | 16:37 |
| h4xordood | i enter correct key | 16:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | h4xordood: why ? you tell you didn't boot, positively. And everything else works | 16:37 |
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| DocScrutinizer | so no need to flash again | 16:37 |
| h4xordood | oka :) | 16:38 |
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| h4xordood | tell me one thing how can i know if my wireless card got fried on n900 ? | 16:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | when your AP is found on scanning, then it's just a question of correct config to make it work. Do exactly same you did before, and it should work | 16:39 |
| h4xordood | the thing is i am doing same | 16:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | won't happen | 16:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | anyway if scanning works, then it's not fried | 16:39 |
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| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: that cable 2 looks utterly nasty | 16:39 |
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| E0x | turn off the protection of the AP and try connect to it if it work then you are enter the wrong pass/key | 16:40 |
| h4xordood | i am trying to do same :) | 16:40 |
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| h4xordood | my sd card is reading on n900 but not on computer | 16:42 |
| jacekowski | N900 FTW | 16:42 |
| h4xordood | what ? | 16:42 |
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| Izzeh | so who wants to hear me vent? | 16:43 |
| Izzeh | spent 3 hours trying to figure out why my script wouldn't work | 16:43 |
| Izzeh | only to discover it was a 'don't if' inside an echo starting an imaginary if statement that gave me an error 200 lines later | 16:44 |
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| timeless_mbp | heh | 16:44 |
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| Izzeh | on a brighter note.. noobies no longer have to open a text file in xterm to modify one file | 16:45 |
| Izzeh | <.< | 16:45 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Izzeh: sounds all very funny but non instructive | 16:46 |
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| Izzeh | instructive: don't use contractions when putting lines and lines of echo | 16:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | and yeah, any lexem opening a structure can give you headache when forgetting to close the bracket | 16:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | eerrrrr | 16:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer | cat <<MyETX | 16:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer | commonly known by the name of here-document | 16:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | (or similar stupid name) | 16:49 |
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| Izzeh | random related question: is there a way to pause for keystroke in busybox? | 16:50 |
| Izzeh | read -n 1 doesn't work | 16:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer | wouldn't feel surprised messybox doesn't support, as it never was intended for interactive shell usage | 16:50 |
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| mgedmin | Izzeh, by "doesn't work" you mean it waits for Enter? | 16:51 |
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| * mgedmin tries | 16:51 | |
| mgedmin | -sh: read: illegal option -n | 16:51 |
| Izzeh | no its an 'illegal option -n' | 16:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer | see what I meant | 16:51 |
| Izzeh | it works inside bash though | 16:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | nuke messybox, use bash | 16:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-P | 16:52 |
| Izzeh | blam bash :P | 16:52 |
| Izzeh | not everyone has it | 16:52 |
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| DocScrutinizer | well, don't nuke it as braindamaged initscripts rely on it | 16:52 |
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| flashn | someone said "it has too high memory footprint" | 16:52 |
| flashn | and I have to agree | 16:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | pff | 16:52 |
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| Izzeh | lol | 16:53 |
| Izzeh | so does anyone have an alternative? | 16:53 |
| Izzeh | messybox has worked so far.. even manages my case/switch perfectly | 16:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | install read | 16:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | binary | 16:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | refer to with full path | 16:53 |
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| DocScrutinizer | or, nuke messybox :-D | 16:54 |
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| DocScrutinizer | apt-get install coreutils-gnu | 16:54 |
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| Izzeh | lol hmm maybe I'll just read <random var> and tell the user to hit enter | 16:54 |
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| Izzeh | even I'm too lazy to install that :P | 16:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | then don't complain you have to jump hoops every second line, when scripting | 16:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | messybox is crap | 16:55 |
| Izzeh | my script doesn't even require root though.. if I added that I'd have to tell them to get rootsh and so on so | 16:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | next time don't come here and ask "where is `nice`?" | 16:56 |
| Izzeh | slippery slope.. I think I'll just stick to lazy coding :P | 16:56 |
| Izzeh | was kinda hoping for a built in command I missed | 16:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer | if your script needs root then either user has to KNOW how to get root BEFORE starting your script, or go for user friendly sudo as it's there just to meet your needs regarding that | 16:59 |
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| Izzeh | sudo requests password if packages like openssh is installed | 17:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer | sudo does whatever is configured in /etc/sudoers | 17:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | you easily add a config line to allow apt-get install *, without pw query | 17:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer | that's what sudo is meant for | 17:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | or simply set SUID on apt-get ;-P | 17:02 |
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| Izzeh | hmm forgot I actually do need root... there you go... | 17:03 |
| Izzeh | but to edit /etc/sudoers you need root | 17:03 |
| Izzeh | :S | 17:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | heh, not if you are HAM postinstall | 17:03 |
| Appiah | is that the file that should be edited with visudo? | 17:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's what rootsh actually does btw | 17:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | fsck visudo | 17:04 |
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| mems | Hey. I'm having difficulty getting my n900 to pick up Ogg files :/ | 17:05 |
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| mems | I've got "extra decoders" installed... but no joy | 17:05 |
| Izzeh | doesn't tracker need to be restarted? | 17:05 |
| Izzeh | can you launch them from file manager? | 17:06 |
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| mems | I restarted tracker with tracker-processes -r, and I've also been through a few phone reboots | 17:06 |
| Izzeh | from file manager? | 17:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | launch HFM, click on *.ogg - does it play? | 17:06 |
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| mems | Izzeh: yep, I can play them from the file manager | 17:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | kick tracker ass | 17:07 |
| Izzeh | lol | 17:07 |
| Izzeh | how helpful :P | 17:07 |
| mems | heh | 17:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | i.e check the config for tracker | 17:07 |
| Izzeh | go grab tracker-cfg from app manager | 17:07 |
| Izzeh | and make sure .ogg files aren't in an ignored directory | 17:07 |
| Izzeh | (very handy program otherwise as well) | 17:07 |
| mems | Izzeh: do you know what app category it's in? | 17:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ~nuke tracker and the whole concept | 17:08 |
| * infobot prepares 100 missle silos, and targets them at tracker and the whole concept ... B☢☢M! | 17:08 | |
| Izzeh | infobot has spelling error... fail :P | 17:08 |
| Izzeh | how do we make fun of it? | 17:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | lol | 17:08 |
| kerio | ~nuke Izzeh | 17:09 |
| * infobot prepares 100 missle silos, and targets them at Izzeh ... B☢☢M! | 17:09 | |
| kerio | ~botsnack | 17:09 |
| infobot | kerio: :) | 17:09 |
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| mems | Izzeh: I can't find this "tracker-cfg" app | 17:09 |
| Izzeh | you got extras-devel enabled? | 17:09 |
| mems | ah, it's in -devel | 17:09 |
| Izzeh | I didn't expect it to be.. but I guess so yes | 17:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~useless | 17:10 |
| * infobot starts crying and hides from docscrutinizer in the darkest corner of the room. :( | 17:10 | |
| kerio | :( | 17:10 |
| Izzeh | yay you made it cry | 17:10 |
| kerio | ~hail infobot | 17:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | her | 17:10 |
| * infobot bows down to infobot and chants, "I'M NOT WORTHY!!" | 17:10 | |
| kerio | wait, what was the command | 17:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~attack kerio | 17:10 |
| * infobot grabs a pen, screams like she's possessed, and begins chasing kerio | 17:10 | |
| Izzeh | uhm... am I the only one that REALLY misses rootsh? | 17:11 |
| Izzeh | it was so overpowered | 17:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | huh? | 17:11 |
| Izzeh | latest rootsh version removed the actual rootsh command | 17:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | Izzeh: what are ya talking bout? | 17:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | Izzeh: it's called root now | 17:11 |
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| kerio | which is just a script that calls sudo gainroot | 17:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | sudo gainroot is obsolete. rootsh is since years | 17:12 |
| luke-jr | sudo -i -H | 17:12 |
| luke-jr | kthx | 17:12 |
| mems | yea, tracker-cfg was in -devel | 17:13 |
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| * DocScrutinizer stares in luke-jr general direction and frowns | 17:13 | |
| mems | I miss the ability to search in the app installer... | 17:14 |
| Izzeh | its not gone? | 17:14 |
| TomaszD | mems, you can search as you type... | 17:14 |
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| Izzeh | just enter all section and start typing | 17:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | mems: select "all", start typing | 17:14 |
| luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: if N900 wants to be "normal Linux", why the emphasis on non-standard commands? | 17:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: ack | 17:14 |
| MiXu- | Anyone found a good shopping list app for N900? | 17:14 |
| TomaszD | isn't shopper available? | 17:14 |
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| MiXu- | "Shopper" is promising but incomplete. | 17:15 |
| lbt | paff | 17:15 |
| MiXu- | Doesn't autosave and you have to manually load your saved list | 17:15 |
| TomaszD | MiXu-, lbt is the author, bug him for features | 17:15 |
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| lbt | does too autosave... bloody users | 17:15 |
| luke-jr | actually, since N900 demoted '-' to a Fn key, I've been cheating and skipping -H :/ | 17:15 |
| lbt | :D | 17:15 |
| MiXu- | Doesn't autosave for me :D | 17:15 |
| luke-jr | I used to use Shopper on N810 | 17:15 |
| lbt | I know... | 17:15 |
| luke-jr | crashed too much ☹ | 17:15 |
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| * DocScrutinizer gasps from laughing at notes not knowing how to safe-as | 17:16 | |
| Izzeh | ok my root sections are failing | 17:16 |
| Izzeh | I fail at life :'( | 17:16 |
| Corsac | utf8 smileys >< | 17:16 |
| Izzeh | and sudo hates me as it requests a password I never set | 17:16 |
| lbt | luke-jr: bear in mind that I was using a half-assed Qt too | 17:16 |
| MiXu- | lbt: So autosave is supposed to work? | 17:16 |
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| luke-jr | lbt: you wrote Shopper⁇ | 17:16 |
| Corsac | luke-jr: is -H useful with -i? | 17:16 |
| lbt | MiXu-: yes... designed from the start | 17:16 |
| luke-jr | Corsac: no idea, does -i imply -H? | 17:16 |
| TomaszD | lbt, it's been a week since I sent the package, should be any month now :P | 17:17 |
| lbt | there is no save button | 17:17 |
| Corsac | here it does | 17:17 |
| MiXu- | Hmm. Maybe I'll purge it and try again. | 17:17 |
| lbt | luke-jr: yes | 17:17 |
| luke-jr | Corsac: I think in some cases it doesn't | 17:17 |
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| Corsac | sudo attempts to change to | 17:17 |
| Corsac | that user’s home directory before running the shell. It also ini‐ | 17:17 |
| Corsac | tializes the environment, leaving TERM unchanged, setting HOME, | 17:17 |
| Corsac | SHELL, USER, LOGNAME, and PATH, and unsetting all other environment | 17:17 |
| Corsac | variables. | 17:17 |
| Corsac | hmhm | 17:17 |
| * lbt slaps Corsac... use pastie | 17:17 | |
| Jucato | Question: I installed the SDK and updated plus added the Nokia Binaries repo and apps. aren't I supposed to be in PR 1.2 already? with Qt pre-installed? | 17:17 |
| Corsac | yeah | 17:17 |
| lbt | MiXu-: did you log a bug... or add to the one there? | 17:17 |
| luke-jr | lbt: ok, I'll give it another try now that I know who to bug for feature requests | 17:17 |
| luke-jr | :D | 17:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | 5 lines are ok afaik | 17:17 |
| TomaszD | Jucato, yep | 17:17 |
| MiXu- | lbt: not yet | 17:17 |
| lbt | luke-jr: sure.. be happy to listne | 17:18 |
| lbt | en | 17:18 |
| Corsac | luke-jr: I guess “attempts” is your problem? | 17:18 |
| luke-jr | Corsac: ? | 17:18 |
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| Jucato | TomaszD: hm .. strange. no Qt package showing up in dpkg -l ... | 17:18 |
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| Corsac | luke-jr: here I always do sudo -i and it changes correctly, but maybe in some cases it fails for you? | 17:18 |
| lbt | TomaszD: I'm watching... | 17:18 |
| luke-jr | Corsac: maybe old versions or such | 17:18 |
| Corsac | hmmh, though the ”attempts” is only for the change directory | 17:18 |
| Corsac | not for the envvar | 17:19 |
| Izzeh | so is there no practical way to run a script without running it as root in busybox? | 17:19 |
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| luke-jr | … | 17:19 |
| MiXu- | Izzeh: sure you can make a desktop shortcut for it | 17:19 |
| luke-jr | Izzeh: why would it run as root? | 17:19 |
| _llll_ | or just run it | 17:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | lbt: I cloudy remember a max-pastelines policy mentioned somewhere. Alas can't figure anymore where | 17:19 |
| visz | you know, if there is any remote app for n900 for controlling htpc type media player? | 17:20 |
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| Izzeh | running as user and trying to enter root inside the script fails royally | 17:20 |
| lbt | DocScrutinizer: ~3 iirc | 17:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | lbt: was something like 5 or 6 | 17:20 |
| luke-jr | Izzeh: sudo | 17:20 |
| TomaszD | Jucato, how about dpkg -l libqt | 17:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | orly only 3? | 17:20 |
| Izzeh | sudo requests password for me | 17:20 |
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| Jucato | TomaszD: none. dpkg -l | grep -i qt | 17:20 |
| luke-jr | Izzeh: you didn't configure it then | 17:20 |
| TomaszD | Jucato, dpkg -l libqt* | 17:20 |
| carcinoma | Tachchen | 17:21 |
| Izzeh | so basically before I can distribute a script to lowcase noobs and have all it does is modify some root files.. they need to modify their sudoers configuration file? | 17:21 |
| Izzeh | that seems really pointless to me | 17:21 |
| Jucato | TomaszD: lol ... libqt-perl, status "un" | 17:21 |
| mems | Izzeh: ok, the directory the .ogg file's in wasn't ignored. | 17:21 |
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| TomaszD | Jucato, just install libqt4-maemo5 | 17:22 |
| mems | I added it as a "watched directory", then restarted tracker, and no joy | 17:22 |
| Izzeh | =/ | 17:22 |
| TomaszD | I would imagine that it's a metapackage | 17:22 |
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| mems | I then added it as a "crawl directory" and still no beans | 17:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | lzentering root in a script is considered *BAD* pratice. You'll earn 5 years windows admin and linux ban for such botch | 17:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | Izzeh: ^^ | 17:22 |
| Jucato | TomaszD: I just thought it would have been installed in an upgrade (as per PR 1.2) | 17:22 |
| TomaszD | Jucato, that's life | 17:23 |
| Izzeh | its safer to let the user access root? :S | 17:23 |
| Jucato | TomaszD: tell me about it :) | 17:23 |
| Izzeh | sigh... guess I'm rewriting and making sure it doesn't screw up permissions on user files | 17:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | Izzeh: see starhash-enabler. It does everything in root without even bothering user about scripts | 17:23 |
| MiXu- | lbt: No joy with autosave. I make the list and then close Shopper. It forgets my changes | 17:24 |
| luke-jr | Izzeh: just have your package include a sudoers config file | 17:24 |
| Izzeh | wouldn't you need root to copy that sudoers file? | 17:24 |
| luke-jr | packages are installed as root, duh | 17:24 |
| TomaszD | just don't forget to put that both in postinst and postrm | 17:25 |
| mems | so what directory do people in here keep their Ogg files on their n900 that are picked up tracker? | 17:25 |
| Izzeh | .audio? | 17:25 |
| Appiah | they install extra decoder support | 17:25 |
| mems | done that | 17:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | Izzeh: actually *# isn't modifying a root owned file, but it has special care to make sure the root user it's running under doesn't interfere with permissions of the file edited. So editing root owned files is no issue for a postinstall script, as it runs with root permissions by definition | 17:25 |
| TomaszD | what? ogg files should get indexed by default if you have my package | 17:25 |
| Appiah | did you restart the n900 after that? | 17:25 |
| mems | Appiah: yea, several times | 17:25 |
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| mems | also restarted tracker | 17:26 |
| mems | and got it to rebuild its databases | 17:26 |
| Appiah | think there was a note for that | 17:26 |
| TomaszD | mems, does playback work from the file manager? | 17:26 |
| Appiah | incase it happens | 17:26 |
| Izzeh | fair enough | 17:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | Izzeh: and DO NOT DARE to *replace* aka copy the /etc/sudoers!! | 17:26 |
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| mems | TomaszD: yes :) | 17:26 |
| Izzeh | lol | 17:26 |
| TomaszD | hmm | 17:26 |
| mems | I keep mine in 'music' not '.audio'... | 17:26 |
| carcinoma | How could i config n900 to not let the im/sms/email incoming sound break the media player sound? | 17:26 |
| lbt | MiXu-: OK ... I'm going to have to up the priority | 17:26 |
| * kerio is not touching Izzeh's .debs with a 10 feet pole | 17:26 | |
| TomaszD | it should not matter, files get indexed anyway | 17:26 |
| mems | TomaszD: indeed... but they're not :-/ | 17:27 |
| Izzeh | I'm not making any debs so you'll be fine | 17:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: are you really awake and sane today? pkg include sudoers file??? WTF? | 17:27 |
| Izzeh | ~nuke kerio | 17:27 |
| * infobot prepares 100 missle silos, and targets them at kerio ... B☢☢M! | 17:27 | |
| luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: how do you think gainroot does it? | 17:27 |
| MiXu- | lbt: Maybe it has something to do with permissions. Where does Shopper save by default? | 17:27 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer: add a $packagename file in /etc/sudoers.d/ | 17:28 |
| h4xordood | ah wifi working now :) | 17:28 |
| TomaszD | mems, so when you started the media player after installing extra decoders, did you wait for it to index the new formats? There should be a big banner with a timer displayed | 17:28 |
| lbt | MiXu-: can you launch it from ssh? | 17:28 |
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| MiXu- | sure | 17:29 |
| * h4xordood likes nuclear missiles only ;P | 17:29 | |
| mems | TomaszD: yep, I've been through several of those "indexing your files" banner things | 17:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I don't care about rootsh idiot pkg. You could argue it's the very first package you install to even get access to sudoers. Still it's borked if it doesn't edit/append to /etc/sudoers and instead nukes previous edits by replacing whole file | 17:29 |
| h4xordood | infobot: only nuclear ones :D | 17:29 |
| kerio | ~botsnack | 17:29 |
| infobot | kerio: thanks | 17:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | kerio: exactly | 17:29 |
| * mems wishes there was a way of pointing tracker at a single file to discover what it does with it | 17:29 | |
| h4xordood | now can any one help me in one thing | 17:30 |
| kerio | it doesn't edit /etc/sudoers | 17:30 |
| TomaszD | mems, no idea, can't help you then, the ogg-support part is largely unmaintained until I integrate it further into decoders-support | 17:30 |
| kerio | it adds a config file in /etc/sudoers.d/ | 17:30 |
| h4xordood | i am not able to run cfdisk | 17:30 |
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| luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: sudoers on N900 uses a .d file | 17:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | kerio: ok. I never checked what it actually does | 17:30 |
| h4xordood | i have only sfdisk | 17:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | s/file/dir | 17:30 |
| h4xordood | i have 16gb card inside n900 which shows its corrupted | 17:30 |
| h4xordood | on computer it doesnt open and not read | 17:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | a .d file would be errr crazy? | 17:31 |
| h4xordood | so only way to format is from maemo terminal | 17:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | maybe you meant a .d/* file | 17:31 |
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| luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: maybe directories are files in tonal | 17:32 |
| * luke-jr runs | 17:32 | |
| mems | Izzeh, TomaszD: thanks for the help. | 17:32 |
| Izzeh | got it working mems? hardly worth helping me when I didn't solve anything | 17:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: not only in tonal | 17:32 |
| Izzeh | thanking me*** | 17:32 |
| Izzeh | o.0 | 17:32 |
| mems | Izzeh: no, I haven't got it working | 17:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | actually on ext3 and all sane fs they are in fact special files | 17:33 |
| Izzeh | so moving to .audio folder and restarting tracker doesn't help? | 17:33 |
| mems | Izzeh: I'll try that | 17:33 |
| mems | there isn't already a .audio file... which is interesting | 17:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: you can even edit dirs with a texteditor :-P | 17:33 |
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| luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: I'll edit your dirs with a texteditor | 17:34 |
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| Izzeh | doh | 17:34 |
| Izzeh | its .sounds | 17:34 |
| Izzeh | sorry mems | 17:34 |
| mems | ah right | 17:34 |
| luke-jr | too bad the nano package for Maemo crashes if you try to search | 17:34 |
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| jacekowski | what is the current openmoko status anyways | 17:35 |
| jacekowski | dead? | 17:35 |
| Izzeh | ok how to execute a program from a script as the user? | 17:35 |
| carcinoma | Wikireader? | 17:35 |
| SpeedEvil | It's not dead, it's resting! | 17:36 |
| Izzeh | if executed as root it creates a config in /root/ instead of /home/user | 17:36 |
| mrmoku | jacekowski: openmoko the company or openmoko the community? :) | 17:36 |
| carcinoma | Isnt that om? | 17:36 |
| SpeedEvil | It's pining for the fjoords! | 17:36 |
| jacekowski | openmoko as a project | 17:36 |
| mrmoku | there is still some life :) | 17:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer | huh? | 17:36 |
| SpeedEvil | Openmoko-corporate - is not interested in mobiles anymore. | 17:36 |
| SpeedEvil | Openmoko-community - is still doing some stuff. | 17:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | you bet it does | 17:37 |
| jacekowski | so what openmoko-corporate is doing now? | 17:37 |
| carcinoma | Damn, anybody can help me with this sound thing? | 17:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | idling? | 17:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | rotting? | 17:37 |
| SpeedEvil | jacekowski: I'm not sure it's more than one guy with a silly webpage | 17:37 |
| mrmoku | DocScrutinizer: no more wikireader? | 17:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | actually I think it's 2 guys and a gal | 17:37 |
| luke-jr | WikiReader was a joke | 17:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | mrmoku: dunno, seen WR from another brand recently | 17:38 |
| SpeedEvil | Wikireader wasn't a joke. | 17:38 |
| SpeedEvil | Wikireader got a fair number of sales. | 17:38 |
| luke-jr | it's a useless device IMO | 17:38 |
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| DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: but a nice joke. I designed a lot of hackability into it | 17:38 |
| SpeedEvil | It's a useless device. For you. | 17:38 |
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| SpeedEvil | It's not a useless device for its exact stated purpose. | 17:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | alas later in development they massively changed the design | 17:39 |
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| TomaszD | mems, I'll have an arcane command for you to run in the terminal in a moment | 17:39 |
| mems | Izzeh: after another reindexing session... sticking it in .sounds doesn't help | 17:39 |
| mems | TomaszD: excellent :-D | 17:39 |
| luke-jr | SpeedEvil: Wikipedia isn't credible. Why bother something specific to it? | 17:39 |
| SpeedEvil | luke-jr: I find it useful. | 17:39 |
| SpeedEvil | luke-jr: Could it be better - sure. | 17:40 |
| h4xordood | i cant find outhow to format with sfdisk :( | 17:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: WR isn't wikipedia specific. The whole "OS" is FOSS and you are free to develop your very own application on it | 17:40 |
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| h4xordood | did apt-get install cfdisk | 17:40 |
| h4xordood | not found | 17:41 |
| h4xordood | is it in exxtra-devel ? | 17:41 |
| SpeedEvil | http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Motor_capacitor&diff=prev&oldid=375846232 - for example - improve it! | 17:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | h4xordood: BECAUSE SFDISK DOES NOT FORMAT | 17:41 |
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| luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: like a kiosk? | 17:41 |
| h4xordood | DocScrutinizer: i think partition iss corrupt on mmc | 17:41 |
| luke-jr | h4xordood: cfdisk doesn't format either | 17:41 |
| slonopotamus | even fdisk doesn't format! | 17:42 |
| h4xordood | it says msdos file system not found | 17:42 |
| Corsac | SpeedEvil: what about a flux capacitor? | 17:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | h4xordood: we told you dozens of times *fdisk is just to edit partition table, and to format you need mkfs-* | 17:42 |
| TomaszD | mems, try running as root: tracker-register-mimetype -c Music -a audio/ogg | 17:43 |
| h4xordood | i trid mkfs.vfat -n "hackerdood" -I /dev/mmck0 | 17:43 |
| h4xordood | but doesnt work | 17:43 |
| slonopotamus | ... | 17:43 |
| TomaszD | mems, see if it actually outputs newly found tracks | 17:43 |
| * DocScrutinizer facepalms | 17:43 | |
| slonopotamus | h4xordood: you need to point it at partition, not whole device | 17:43 |
| mems | TomaszD: ok, two ticks | 17:43 |
| h4xordood | it doesnt have any partition cause it shows device only and no partitions | 17:44 |
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| luke-jr | h4xordood: you shouldn't be messing with this stuff if you don't know what you're doing | 17:44 |
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| slonopotamus | h4xordood: then use *fdisk to create them | 17:44 |
| h4xordood | ok | 17:45 |
| Jucato | hm ... is it ok to ask qt-maemo (linking) questions here, or is there a more suitable channel? | 17:45 |
| TomaszD | mems, ticks? | 17:45 |
| h4xordood | i only have sfdisk working | 17:45 |
| mems | TomaszD: a.k.a. "working on it" | 17:45 |
| TomaszD | k | 17:45 |
| mems | TomaszD: ok, partial success, but it terminated with a segfault: http://pastebin.com/rj2aVY6f | 17:45 |
| h4xordood | Jucato: heyo :) | 17:45 |
| Jucato | you h4xordood :P | 17:45 |
| slonopotamus | sfdisk ui is a horror | 17:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | ack | 17:46 |
| mgedmin | sfdisk has no ui, I'd say | 17:46 |
| slonopotamus | Jucato: you may try | 17:46 |
| TomaszD | mems, *sigh*, oh you tracker you | 17:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | mgedmin: sure it has | 17:46 |
| h4xordood | sfdisk is harder i must say | 17:46 |
| h4xordood | fdisk is easier | 17:46 |
| Jucato | I'm getting linking errors when building on FREMANTLE_X86, but no errors in _ARMEL. a few hours ago, I got the same errors in _ARMEL but not in _X86: /scratchbox/compilers/cs2007q3-glibc2.5-i486/bin/../lib/gcc/i486-pc-linux-gnu/4.2.1/../../../../i486-pc-linux-gnu/bin/ld: skipping incompatible /usr/lib/libQtGui.so when searching for -lQtGui | 17:46 |
| slonopotamus | mgedmin: i wonder why all maemo tutorials use it instead of cfdisk | 17:47 |
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| h4xordood | Jucato: u got n900 liar :P | 17:47 |
| Jucato | (I reinstalled the sdk after the first ARMEL errors, now it reversed itself >.<) | 17:47 |
| TomaszD | mems, reboot and start the media player | 17:47 |
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| Jucato | h4xordood: so? I have the SDK :P | 17:47 |
| h4xordood | :D | 17:47 |
| TomaszD | mems, I'll be back in some time, should work now, you could try re-indexing if it still doesn't | 17:47 |
| slonopotamus | Jucato: mixed arches somewhere? | 17:47 |
| mgedmin | is cfdisk preinstalled on a n900? | 17:47 |
| mems | TomaszD: OK, thanks. rebooting it now. | 17:48 |
| mgedmin | it's not | 17:48 |
| tybollt | mgedmin: no | 17:48 |
| mgedmin | therefore | 17:48 |
| h4xordood | mgedmin: no | 17:48 |
| Jucato | slonopotamus: looks like it. but I wonder where/how to find out | 17:48 |
| tybollt | mgedmin: I apt-get installed it and ... -> EPIC FAIL | 17:48 |
| slonopotamus | mgedmin: no, but at least for maemo4 it is in repos | 17:48 |
| h4xordood | i think its is extra-devel | 17:48 |
| jacekowski | my battery just died | 17:48 |
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| mgedmin | usb cable + use your favourite fdisk tool on your computer | 17:48 |
| tybollt | mgedmin: it prints something to the screen then clears the screen prior to it being readable | 17:48 |
| tybollt | mgedmin: case you manage to make it work - do tell | 17:49 |
| mgedmin | make what work? | 17:49 |
| tybollt | cfdisk | 17:49 |
| mgedmin | cfdisk on maemo? wasn't planning to | 17:49 |
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| h4xordood | Jucato: do u use scratch box ? | 17:49 |
| h4xordood | :) | 17:49 |
| Jucato | h4xordood: that's what the SDK uses, yes | 17:50 |
| h4xordood | i dont know how to install that one :) | 17:50 |
| slonopotamus | tybollt: point it at device | 17:50 |
| h4xordood | i downloaded latest one | 17:50 |
| slonopotamus | tybollt: cfdisk /dev/mmcblk0 | 17:50 |
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| tybollt | slonopotamus: hmm olrite will try | 17:51 |
| tybollt | anyway I'd love the regular fdisk command | 17:51 |
| tybollt | not the sfdisk | 17:51 |
| tybollt | but meh... | 17:51 |
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| Jucato | sigh >.< | 17:52 |
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| slonopotamus | my 32gb sd card has 977024 "cylinders" :) | 17:52 |
| slonopotamus | cool :) | 17:52 |
| SpeedEvil | The cylinders are a lie! | 17:53 |
| slonopotamus | SpeedEvil: why? | 17:53 |
| luke-jr | Isn't it a lie on real disks too? | 17:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | Nokia-N900-02-8:~# apt-cache search fdisk | 17:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | cfdisk - curses based disk drive partitioning program | 17:53 |
| SpeedEvil | slonopotamus: Cylinders have been a lie since disks hit perhaps 120M | 17:54 |
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| luke-jr | slonopotamus: pretty sure SSD have no round edges | 17:54 |
| slonopotamus | DocScrutinizer: as i said, it's available in repos | 17:54 |
| luke-jr | at least not cylinders | 17:54 |
| luke-jr | unless they have a capacitor for something | 17:54 |
| Jucato | wth? O.o ---> file /usr/lib/libQtGui.so.4.6.2 /usr/lib/libQtGui.so.4.6.2: symbolic link to `/opt/lib/libQtGui.so.4.6.2' | 17:55 |
| Jucato | file /opt/lib/libQtGui.so.4.6.2 /opt/lib/libQtGui.so.4.6.2: ELF 32-bit LSB shared object, ARM, version 1 (SYSV), stripped | 17:55 |
| luke-jr | in any case, there's no room for 977,024 cylinders in a MMC card | 17:55 |
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| Jucato | ok how do I fix that? seems to be something wrong with sb-conf select? | 17:55 |
| luke-jr | Jucato: looks fine to me? | 17:55 |
| Jucato | luke-jr: I'm on FREMANTLE_X86 :) | 17:55 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Jucato: what's wrong? | 17:55 |
| luke-jr | Jucato: well, *that* is your problem | 17:55 |
| luke-jr | Jucato: don't use x86 and you'll be fine | 17:56 |
| Jucato | DocScrutinizer: I'm getting linking errors when building on FREMANTLE_X86, but no errors in _ARMEL. a few hours ago, I got the same errors in _ARMEL but not in _X86: /scratchbox/compilers/cs2007q3-glibc2.5-i486/bin/../lib/gcc/i486-pc-linux-gnu/4.2.1/../../../../i486-pc-linux-gnu/bin/ld: skipping incompatible /usr/lib/libQtGui.so when searching for -lQtGui | 17:56 |
| slonopotamus | don't use maemo sdk and you'll be much more fine :) | 17:56 |
| Jucato | luke-jr: yeah but for testing with the emulator (in Xephyr), I need to | 17:56 |
| Jucato | slonopotamus: er ... what am I supposed to use? | 17:56 |
| luke-jr | Jucato: nonsense | 17:56 |
| slonopotamus | Jucato: joking :) | 17:56 |
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| Jucato | luke-jr: nonsense? | 17:57 |
| luke-jr | Jucato: it's not an emulator if it needs special bins | 17:57 |
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| luke-jr | just build and run natively | 17:57 |
| slonopotamus | Jucato: you either need to find why it doesn't switch or just stick to one target. no reason to switch them often | 17:57 |
| Jucato | um .. ok ... | 17:57 |
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| Jucato | luke-jr: "The ARMEL target should not be used for application testing and just for cross compiling. The target is not meant to support this. Please use for any other use than cross-compiling the X86 target. " - http://wiki.maemo.org/Developer_FAQ#How_can_I_avoid_.22qemu.22_error_messages_of_.22af-sb-init_start.22_in_ARMEL_target.3F | 17:58 |
| luke-jr | Jucato: don't use maemo sdk and you'll be much more fine ☺ | 17:59 |
| slonopotamus | :D | 17:59 |
| Jucato | ... | 17:59 |
| Jucato | um thanks, I guess .. | 17:59 |
| slonopotamus | Jucato: at least i gave you a hint about wrong arch :P | 17:59 |
| Jucato | to make a long story short, if you don't have a device yet, don't even bother/dream/try of doing any sort of development ... because the SDK is not recommended | 18:00 |
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| Jucato | and you should be running/building them natively | 18:00 |
| luke-jr | Jucato: Qt development is in theory the same regardless of testing and target OS | 18:00 |
| luke-jr | just develop Qt natively | 18:00 |
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| luke-jr | you can recompile for Maemo later if you want | 18:01 |
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| Jucato | luke-jr: ok. any ideas on how to control an ADP1653 LED flash on any OS then? | 18:01 |
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| slonopotamus | Jucato: how you plan to do that in sdk? | 18:02 |
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| Jucato | slonopotamus: I just wanted to test if it will even build? then I presume I'll need to cross-compile later to build a package (iirc that's what happened with the Diablo SDK) for testing when I get a device or ask a friend | 18:03 |
| Jucato | but that one about the flash was more for luke-jr's ... "advice" | 18:04 |
| GAN900 | People keep inviting me to join their LinkedIn networks. | 18:04 |
| GAN900 | The think they don't seem to understand is that I'm LAZY. | 18:04 |
| GAN900 | etrunko. :P | 18:05 |
| slonopotamus | Jucato: you can just upload to autobuilder | 18:05 |
| slonopotamus | Jucato: instead of setting up armel target | 18:05 |
| etrunko | GAN900: i'd be lazier than you, your name just appeared on the suggestions | 18:05 |
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| etrunko | ok, this one i know, this one i don't, and so on | 18:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | moo GAN900 | 18:08 |
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| visz | ahha | 18:12 |
| visz | a spare battery for my n900 | 18:12 |
| visz | this will come handy | 18:12 |
| mems | TomaszD: now media player contains no files at all :( | 18:13 |
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| jacekowski | now wait | 18:15 |
| jacekowski | tracker should reprocess them | 18:15 |
| jacekowski | it'll probably happen withing couple hours | 18:15 |
| mems | jacekowski: nah, it's been like this for half an hour | 18:15 |
| jacekowski | depending on size of collection | 18:15 |
| mems | and tracker is idle | 18:15 |
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| jacekowski | touch some files in that folder | 18:15 |
| mems | (have rebooted, restarted, beaten tracker etc) | 18:15 |
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| xautherr | whenever i ssh from n810 maemo, i get "no xauth data; using fake authentication data for X11 forwarding". My server says display is on :1.0, and n810 display :0.0, how do i get ssh forwarding with -X or -Y to work? | 18:17 |
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| slonopotamus | xautherr: cool nickname :) | 18:18 |
| xautherr | slonopotamus: thanks | 18:18 |
| slonopotamus | xautherr: maybe one of sides doesn't have xauth? | 18:18 |
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| xautherr | i just installed xauth on n810, let me check server | 18:18 |
| xautherr | both have the newest version | 18:19 |
| xautherr | maybe i need to restart n810 after installation of xauth, let me try that | 18:19 |
| slonopotamus | unlikely | 18:19 |
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| slonopotamus | it's not windows after all | 18:20 |
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| xautherr | maybe /etc/init.d/openbox restart or something on n810 | 18:20 |
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| xautherr | nope, restart didn't fix it | 18:21 |
| slonopotamus | xautherr: http://en.gentoo-wiki.com/wiki/X-Forwarding#No_xauth_data | 18:21 |
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| xautherr | i'll try that link, brb | 18:22 |
| slonopotamus | xautherr: and i'd first try with openssh on both ends. | 18:23 |
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| jacekowski | ssh xforwarding requires X to listen on tcp | 18:24 |
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| jacekowski | and that's not the case | 18:24 |
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| xautherr | nope, did not help | 18:24 |
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| jacekowski | it's not going to work | 18:24 |
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| mgedmin | ssh -X from a nokia to a different machine used to work for me | 18:25 |
| mgedmin | ssh -X from a normal machine into a nokia always failed | 18:25 |
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| xautherr | slonopotamus: i can ssh X11 forward to other servers, but not this one, i think because display defaults to 1.0 on Ubuntu 10.04 | 18:25 |
| GAN900 | etrunko, ah, I see now. ;) | 18:26 |
| xautherr | mgedmin: i can ssh out to different machines from the nokia, and inwards, but for one server i cannot forward X11, yet the sshd_config shows it and other computers can ssh into that server and X11 forward | 18:26 |
| GAN900 | DocScrutinizer, hey-ho. | 18:26 |
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| mgedmin | is xauth installed on that server? | 18:26 |
| xautherr | mgedmin: says its the latest version on both | 18:26 |
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| mgedmin | hm | 18:27 |
| mgedmin | bad permissions on ~/.Xauthority? | 18:27 |
| xautherr | i did a find /usr -name xauth and it shows on each also | 18:27 |
| mgedmin | (on the server, not on the nokia) | 18:27 |
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| xautherr | mgedmin: if it is, i must be on nokia, because i can ssh into the server from other machines and X11 forward | 18:27 |
| mgedmin | ah | 18:27 |
| mgedmin | but you can ssh from the nokia into a different server and have X11 forwarding work? | 18:27 |
| xautherr | yes | 18:28 |
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| xautherr | i personally think its the display on the server defaulting to :1.0 and nokia ssh doesn't know how to handle that, only display :10.0 | 18:29 |
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| xautherr | do you think i have to export Display Auth variable? | 18:31 |
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| crashanddie | did you modify the display variable? | 18:34 |
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| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: not many people really need these codes | 18:38 |
| jacekowski | not many people know they exist | 18:38 |
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| alterego | Got my draggable view switcher container widget working :) | 19:19 |
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| MohammadAG | that's one fucking long name | 19:19 |
| alterego | DraggableViewArea :P | 19:19 |
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| MohammadAG | http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/me/en/ho/WF06b/321957-321957-3329744-64354-64354-4166202-4207865.html any thoughts/recommendations? | 19:20 |
| MohammadAG | need to get rid of this junk excuse for a laptop | 19:20 |
| alterego | Looks small, | 19:21 |
| alterego | Is it a netbook? :) | 19:21 |
| alterego | Not sure I could cope with the screen resolution | 19:21 |
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| Kegetys | If you dont want junk, going for cheap HP models is propably not the best choice :) | 19:21 |
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| MohammadAG | alterego, nah, it's just small | 19:21 |
| alterego | 13" | 19:22 |
| alterego | Yeah, not bad. | 19:22 |
| MohammadAG | Kegetys, it's not exactly cheap :P | 19:22 |
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| alterego | Mines 15" 1920x1200 | 19:22 |
| alterego | I paid extra for a high resolution screen | 19:22 |
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| alterego | But boy was it worth it .. | 19:23 |
| MohammadAG | hmm, just noticed the screen res | 19:23 |
| Kegetys | pavilion is the cheapest hp line isn't it | 19:23 |
| MohammadAG | it's kinda crap | 19:23 |
| alterego | That's what I said :P | 19:23 |
| MohammadAG | it's the only line afaik | 19:23 |
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| MohammadAG | my current laptop's 1024x768 | 19:23 |
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| MohammadAG | and that doesn't even display wiki.maemo.org properly | 19:23 |
| alterego | Heh | 19:24 |
| Kegetys | they have the probooks and something else as well | 19:24 |
| * alterego was expecting you to say "My current laptop is 800x480" ;) | 19:24 | |
| alterego | Are you buying into the US? | 19:24 |
| MohammadAG | tbh I like this tablet, but... it's too slow | 19:24 |
| Kegetys | elitebook too | 19:24 |
| MohammadAG | no | 19:24 |
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| alterego | Where? | 19:24 |
| Kegetys | and compaq | 19:24 |
| MohammadAG | Jordan/Israel | 19:24 |
| MohammadAG | doesn't really matter :P | 19:24 |
| MohammadAG | so what's better than HP? | 19:25 |
| MohammadAG | don't say Dell, | 19:25 |
| MohammadAG | I hate their shittops and crappy customer service | 19:25 |
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| Kegetys | my asus is fine, wish it had a better screen though but 99% of laptop have a junk screen anyway | 19:25 |
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| E0x | i really like the thinkpad | 19:26 |
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| * svuorela is looking for mBarcode people or bugtracker. can anyone hand me a pointer (void*) | 19:26 | |
| MohammadAG | hmm, I doubt those have good CPUs | 19:26 |
| MohammadAG | I need an i5, at the very least | 19:26 |
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| lcuk | svuorela, lardman is principle dev, but he is on his jollies | 19:26 |
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| GAN900 | Laptops suck | 19:26 |
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| GAN900 | Desktop/N900. :P | 19:26 |
| svuorela | lcuk: 'jollies' ? | 19:26 |
| MohammadAG | holidays | 19:27 |
| GAN900 | MohammadAG, MBP. | 19:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | nah, Panasonic toughbooks are for real geeks :-D | 19:27 |
| MohammadAG | GAN900, apple, meh | 19:27 |
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| Kegetys | all manufacturers propably have i5 models available these days | 19:27 |
| MohammadAG | GAN900, actually, scratchbox sucks more for taking down my i5 desktop | 19:27 |
| svuorela | ..is it just for me that mBarcode has regressed in the latest versions to not read datamatrix any longer ? | 19:27 |
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| lcuk | svuorela, ooer | 19:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | CF-27 is better than a baseball bat for selfdefense | 19:28 |
| svuorela | lcuk: eh ? | 19:28 |
| lcuk | regressions are bad | 19:28 |
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| svuorela | lcuk: especially given my latest blog post ... :) | 19:30 |
| lcuk | svuorela, since I am not a mind reader and contrary to popular opinion, I do not see the whole web | 19:31 |
| lcuk | where would I find your blog post | 19:31 |
| svuorela | pusling.com/blog | 19:31 |
| svuorela | (available on planet kde and planet debian) | 19:31 |
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| achipa | MohammadAG: er... thinkpads ? | 19:32 |
| MohammadAG | aren't those IBMs? | 19:33 |
| * achipa ducks under safe-looking cover that turns out to be made out of cardboard and have written lenovo over them | 19:33 | |
| lcuk | svuorela, are you making that a live plasmoid for 0 click barcodeability | 19:33 |
| MohammadAG | heh, someone else mentioned them not me | 19:33 |
| achipa | MohammadAG, used to be IBM, Lenovo nowadays | 19:33 |
| svuorela | lcuk: no. it is part of the clipboard handling, so it requires two click. | 19:33 |
| lcuk | requires? | 19:34 |
| svuorela | lcuk: or knowing your shortcuts | 19:34 |
| lcuk | ctrl + c | 19:34 |
| MohammadAG | anyways I just need a laptop with a good gfx card (not for gaming tbh, but still), and a good CPU that can compile a kernel quick | 19:34 |
| lcuk | and barcode should show | 19:34 |
| lcuk | on desktop | 19:34 |
| lcuk | representing whats in clipboard? | 19:34 |
| svuorela | lcuk: nah. that would be a nightmare. | 19:34 |
| Trizt | MohammadAG; Bullfrog? | 19:34 |
| lcuk | svuorela, why? | 19:34 |
| lcuk | it should actually show more in more places | 19:35 |
| MohammadAG | Trizt, err? | 19:35 |
| * lcuk does barcodes over irc | 19:35 | |
| achipa | MohammadAG: ok, good gfx =/= thinkpad... but is quite okay in the cpu department | 19:35 |
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| svuorela | lcuk: because only like 1 of 300 copy items is interesting to see as a barcode | 19:35 |
| MohammadAG | achipa, but... why thinkpads? | 19:35 |
| lcuk | svuorela, shameful http://liqbase.net/liq.20091201_191242._maemo.scr.png | 19:35 |
| achipa | MohammadAG: the red nipple has a hypnotizing effect | 19:36 |
| MohammadAG | LOL | 19:36 |
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| lcuk | achipa, do you have a normal nipple or an inverted one? | 19:36 |
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| achipa | lcuk: I have a set of 5 differently shaped nipples, not counting the built in ones | 19:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: google toughbook cf-19 | 19:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-D | 19:37 |
| Trizt | MohammadAG; http://www.gdc4s.com/content/detail.cfm?item=4f9561a4-029e-4df6-ad20-20acca70bd7a&page=28 | 19:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | droptest certified 180cm, IP65 water resistent | 19:37 |
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| MohammadAG | ugh, damn internet's so slow here | 19:38 |
| achipa | DocScrutinizer: is there an alternative that is just well built, but not weighing like a lead brick ? I promise not to take it to any battlefields. | 19:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | harddisk heating :-P | 19:38 |
| MohammadAG | +30 mins to install vlc | 19:39 |
| achipa | still looking at an alternative to X201, but there don't seem to be any | 19:39 |
| achipa | and the dastardly X201 costs like an arm (not ARM) and two legs and a house | 19:40 |
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| crashanddie | lcuk: || | | | || || || | 19:41 |
| achipa | crashanddie: is that your keyboard layout ? | 19:42 |
| crashanddie | achipa: | | 19:42 |
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| achipa | now, this either something very funny or a font/cp that is not rendered by my irc client ;) | 19:42 |
| lcuk | barcodes over irc | 19:43 |
| lcuk | the CRC does not compute tho :p | 19:43 |
| achipa | doesn't seem to work, it's too thin | 19:43 |
| achipa | :P | 19:43 |
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| alterego | I've found Dell to be realy good with laptops, though I wouldn't get anything else from them .. | 19:55 |
| alterego | I bought a cheap 9cell battery for my XPS | 19:55 |
| alterego | 30 quid, bargain :) | 19:55 |
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| alterego | Got a replacement screen for my Mini 9 after my girlfriend stood on it. | 19:56 |
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| TomaszD | I'm thinking about replacing this 15,4 screen with a wuxga matte | 19:58 |
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| TomaszD | glare is getting *old* | 19:58 |
| achipa | alterego: depends on your support requirements, I guess. Mine is that I should never ever need support, if I do, I'm in trouble :) | 19:58 |
| alterego | achipa: I've never needed support from Dell | 19:59 |
| alterego | I was lucky though, apparently some of the earlier revisions of the M1530 had a defective nVidia graphics chip | 19:59 |
| alterego | But that wasn't Dell's fault tbh. | 19:59 |
| alterego | TomaszD: I still quite like the glossy .. | 19:59 |
| alterego | Blacks look blacker to me. | 20:00 |
| GAN900 | alterego, ouch. | 20:00 |
| TomaszD | alterego, IMHO the person who invented them things should hang | 20:00 |
| TomaszD | but that's just IMHO | 20:00 |
| alterego | I've had my M1530 about 2 1/2 years, no issues with it, though now some of the keys are a little worn and there's a small 1x2mm chip that I accidentally caused whilst throwing my phone onto my bed. | 20:01 |
| alterego | It bounced up and went flying into the laptop screen :/ | 20:01 |
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| Trewas | funny that in the end of the CRT era they marketed anti-glare screens and now adding extra-glare is worth lots of marketing bucks | 20:02 |
| achipa | Trewas: it's always what you DONT have | 20:03 |
| TomaszD | laptops with glare screens look better on shop shelves | 20:03 |
| achipa | Trewas: I'm silently expecting 4:3 to make a comeback, as you know, someone will discover you have more vertical space | 20:03 |
| TomaszD | there was no other way | 20:03 |
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| alterego | achipa: well, look at tables, they're taking wide aspect vertical ;) | 20:04 |
| alterego | For good reason. | 20:04 |
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| MohammadAG | hmm | 20:04 |
| alterego | Laptops however I'm not sure if they'll ever go back the way of 4:3 | 20:04 |
| achipa | TomaszD: color ARE better on some models, but the reflection thing is so bad it kills any advantage | 20:04 |
| alterego | I meant tablets .. | 20:04 |
| MohammadAG | mine is 4:3 :P | 20:04 |
| TomaszD | achipa, indeed | 20:04 |
| TomaszD | glare is good for basement dwellers | 20:05 |
| TomaszD | I need sunlight readability | 20:05 |
| Kegetys | I wish they'd at least stick with 16:10 instead of 19:9 crap | 20:05 |
| Kegetys | 16:9 | 20:05 |
| TomaszD | hah, that's why I'm sticking with my almost 3-year old 16:10 laptop | 20:05 |
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| achipa | sunlight ? a lit window is enough, people already treat me like a weirdo because I have to position the laptop like Sheldon finds his spot on the sofa... | 20:06 |
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| alterego | Heh | 20:06 |
| achipa | though the weirdo part might be because of the linux thing :P | 20:06 |
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| alterego | Heh | 20:06 |
| TomaszD | 16:9 is not terrible if it's 1920x1080, but those expensive models with 1366x768 15.6 inchers... really annoying | 20:07 |
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| alschroe | hey is there an update on playing 720p videos on the n900? | 20:07 |
| TomaszD | that's why I'm eyeing a wuxga 1920x1200 15,4 incher | 20:08 |
| TomaszD | alschroe, no. | 20:08 |
| alschroe | so not possible ? | 20:08 |
| alschroe | sucks | 20:08 |
| achipa | alschroe: you wouldn't be able to tell if it was 720p anyway | 20:08 |
| Trewas | the screen is 480p so whats the point | 20:08 |
| alschroe | I hate resizing them before watching | 20:08 |
| TomaszD | the only point is transcoding | 20:08 |
| TomaszD | right | 20:08 |
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| achipa | alschroe: download the standard divx size and voila | 20:09 |
| alschroe | yeah and if i am at a friends i only have the small file to share | 20:09 |
| achipa | a fate worse than death, surely :) | 20:09 |
| alschroe | even worse than living ! | 20:10 |
| TomaszD | you could try using mplayer or vlc | 20:10 |
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| achipa | then download both, plenty of space | 20:10 |
| alschroe | TomaszD: nope doesn't work as far as i know | 20:10 |
| TomaszD | it does work, but badly :) | 20:10 |
| achipa | alschroe: so you want to share them or watch them ? | 20:10 |
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| alschroe | watch em on my n900 when I am on the road but when I stay at a friends place and we decide to "watch a movie" its good to have one in your pocket | 20:11 |
| achipa | but why 720p then ? I mean, you could say you want 1080p playback then :) | 20:12 |
| achipa | but, not to nitpick, that is not what the N900's processor is made for, so no, no 720p | 20:13 |
| achipa | s/processor/SoC/g | 20:14 |
| infobot | achipa meant: but, not to nitpick, that is not what the N900's SoC is made for, so no, no 720p | 20:14 |
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| alschroe | achipa: I would be happy with 1080p | 20:27 |
| alschroe | but maybe you can help me get the max | 20:27 |
| alschroe | whats the perfect size for the n900 | 20:27 |
| alschroe | ? | 20:27 |
| achipa | alschroe: 800x480 :) | 20:28 |
| alschroe | :) | 20:28 |
| alschroe | if you say it like that it makes me look stupid :( | 20:29 |
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| achipa | it *can* decode higher res than that, though, but it depends on a lot of things if it's watchable | 20:29 |
| SpeedEvil | alschroe: yes. | 20:29 |
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| inz | And if you're watching it on the N900, there's no quality gains from higher resolution | 20:30 |
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| achipa | alschroe: because even the video you record on the cam is higher res than that | 20:30 |
| achipa | alschroe: but the problem with 720p material is that it will be too much of a bitrate, and of a wrong profile | 20:31 |
| SpeedEvil | The video recorded from the cam is almost always jerky for me | 20:31 |
| achipa | so you could probably craft a 720p file that plays back... but if you're transcoding anyway, why bother... | 20:31 |
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| achipa | SpeedEvil: just recording, or playback, too ? | 20:33 |
| SpeedEvil | recording | 20:33 |
| achipa | that's 'normal', idiot tracker and other processes clog write IO | 20:33 |
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| achipa | I just don't know when will someone finally realize that those metalayer-crawler/trackerd/whateveryoucallit are simply the wrong approach, media should not be processed until it is requested or the device is in standby | 20:35 |
| MohammadAG | just like symbian | 20:35 |
| MohammadAG | trackerd kicks in when the battery's low here xD | 20:35 |
| luke-jr | achipa: it'd work fine if they used a sane I/O layer | 20:36 |
| achipa | MohammadAG: you don't want to know how often I curse trackerd (and how juicy those curses are) | 20:36 |
| RST38h | moo. | 20:36 |
| SpeedEvil | RST38h: Did I link you to the mention of fbreader on the radio? | 20:36 |
| SpeedEvil | Oh - it's probably died. | 20:36 |
| RST38h | no, not really | 20:37 |
| RST38h | but fbreader not my project anyway | 20:37 |
| achipa | luke-jr: sure, better IO would help but even then, trackkers and thumbnailers SHOULD NOT INTERFERE with operation | 20:37 |
| SpeedEvil | true | 20:37 |
| MohammadAG | why is IO so slow on the N900 btw | 20:38 |
| luke-jr | achipa: they wouldn't, if IO worked sane | 20:38 |
| luke-jr | MohammadAG: because it's SSD crap | 20:38 |
| MohammadAG | shouldn't SSD be fast? | 20:38 |
| luke-jr | SSD is slow | 20:38 |
| achipa | luke-jr: how so ? | 20:38 |
| luke-jr | at least small SSD | 20:38 |
| SpeedEvil | http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00t384n#synopsis 20:16 | 20:39 |
| achipa | it's not SSD | 20:39 |
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| luke-jr | achipa: a sane IO layer would prioritize actual user interaction over backgroud stuff | 20:39 |
| luke-jr | it is SSD | 20:39 |
| SpeedEvil | SD and MMC cards fundamentally have unpredictable delays. | 20:39 |
| SpeedEvil | Up to a second or even more worst case for a block write | 20:39 |
| achipa | luke-jr: no, it's not helping, here's an example: | 20:40 |
| achipa | luke-jr: I copy over a video to my N900 via USB, disconnect it, start media player and try to watch it | 20:40 |
| achipa | luke-jr: this results in massive suckage because all the daemons kick in to generate thumbnails and whatnot - which ARE show by the media player | 20:41 |
| luke-jr | achipa: that's because it sucks at prioritizing things | 20:41 |
| achipa | luke-jr: so there is no easy way to tell what's really background and what's waited upon | 20:41 |
| jacekowski | Stskeeps: do you know how to flash n900 with usb cable? | 20:41 |
| luke-jr | achipa: … of course there is | 20:42 |
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| jacekowski | Stskeeps: with phoenix | 20:42 |
| Stskeeps | jacekowski: uhm, same way as flasher-3.5 does it | 20:42 |
| Stskeeps | the alternative version is cold flash | 20:42 |
| jacekowski | with usb cable? | 20:42 |
| jacekowski | or i need flashing jig? | 20:42 |
| Stskeeps | afaik phoenix doesn't do anything shiny | 20:43 |
| achipa | luke-jr: err, it's not a technical problem. There is genuinely no way to tell whether a user is waiting to see a thumbnail or thinking what he'll pick | 20:43 |
| Stskeeps | (i dont have phoenix) | 20:43 |
| lcuk | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6108 | 20:43 |
| povbot | Bug 6108: tracker takes cpu and time when scanning media | 20:43 |
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| lcuk | i believe actually its very cured compared to reported result | 20:43 |
| jacekowski | how do you coldflash it then? | 20:43 |
| * lcuk nas not noticed such lengthy delays recently | 20:43 | |
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| MohammadAG | -c, --cold-flash "Cold flash" the device | 20:44 |
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| achipa | lcuk: depends on the quantity of the video material | 20:44 |
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| achipa | lcuk: add 20 clips and you'll see a countdown timer - that's the one I hate most. That's not even prioritizing - that's plain dumb. | 20:45 |
| luke-jr | achipa: if he's waiting, then idle time = 100% | 20:45 |
| lcuk | achipa, using same type of movies i dont notice delays as such whenever i move stuff over | 20:45 |
| achipa | luke-jr: and then you start thumbnailing and he picks a video... and then gstreamer turns into gscreamer | 20:46 |
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| luke-jr | achipa: you clearly don't have a clue | 20:46 |
| achipa | lcuk: it *might* be codec dependent | 20:46 |
| achipa | luke-jr: granted | 20:46 |
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| Trewas | it often takes a minute or two for n900 to scan and thumbnail new videos, it is quite stupid as it does not even show the video thumbnails anywhere... | 20:49 |
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| lcuk | achipa, biggest issue with things like this is that most folks are unwilling/unable to upload video files to confirm fixes | 20:50 |
| lcuk | and/or reproduce bug | 20:50 |
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| achipa | lcuk: it's a bit... unwieldy. but I agree it's a not overly well reported/reproducable issue | 20:51 |
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| achipa | lcuk: there was also the issue of gstreamer/dsp/whoever being picky/poisoned, i.e. not acting the same way if previously played back certain videos - those are the hardest to reproduce as you have to find what you watched BEFORE that might trigger the issues | 20:52 |
| luke-jr | Photos won't show me anything anymore | 20:52 |
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| frals | hmm | 21:08 |
| frals | any way to get cameras default save dir? | 21:09 |
| lcuk | /home/user/Mydocs/DCIM or if oyu have an MMC, then that | 21:09 |
| Khertan | Hello All ! | 21:10 |
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| lcuk | hey there Khertan \o | 21:11 |
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| lcuk | how goes it | 21:11 |
| Khertan | fine and you lcuk ? | 21:11 |
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| frals | lcuk: any magic place where camera saves the location so i dont have to check if mmc is present? :P | 21:12 |
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| lcuk | good Khertan | 21:12 |
| lcuk | frals, its just a folder, if the mmc/DCIM is missing, default to MyDocs version? | 21:12 |
| lcuk | thats how I think it works :$ | 21:12 |
| jacekowski | hmm, i just wiped bootloader | 21:12 |
| * lcuk might be completely wrong | 21:12 | |
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| luke-jr | jacekowski: fail | 21:14 |
| kerio | jacekowski: nice | 21:14 |
| kerio | didn't you do that some time ago? | 21:14 |
| jacekowski | no | 21:15 |
| crashanddie | salut Khertan | 21:15 |
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| Khertan | frals, gconftool-2 -R /apps/camera/settings/basic-settings | 21:16 |
| Khertan | storage-device = 1 | 21:16 |
| Khertan | :) | 21:16 |
| Khertan | salut crashanddie | 21:16 |
| frals | Khertan: cheers | 21:16 |
| * luke-jr salutes crashanddie | 21:16 | |
| frals | might as well do if isdir(mmc1/DCIM) then :D | 21:17 |
| lcuk | lol | 21:17 |
| lcuk | thanks Khertan \o | 21:17 |
| Khertan | :) | 21:17 |
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| Khertan | when i didn't found any conf file for something in my n900 | 21:18 |
| crashanddie | hiya luke-jr | 21:18 |
| Khertan | i use gconftool-2 -R | grep whatisearch | 21:18 |
| Khertan | :) | 21:18 |
| luke-jr | hi | 21:18 |
| Khertan | i use gconftool-2 -R / | grep whatisearch | 21:18 |
| * Khertan hate gconf | 21:18 | |
| Khertan | :) | 21:19 |
| mortini | srs | 21:19 |
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| lcuk | awesome Khertan | 21:19 |
| mortini | i like the idea, but it's a pain to work with, kind of like the hal bits | 21:19 |
| dunz0r | Can I somehow with any amount of hacking/soldering/etc connect things like usb keyboards or other usb stuff to my N900? | 21:19 |
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| lcuk | dunz0r, do not underestimate the power of superglue | 21:19 |
| dunz0r | He. | 21:19 |
| pronto | i'm not sure about you, but i wouldnt want to solder stuff to a $500 phone | 21:20 |
| Khertan | usb stuff .... hum ... Just need a cable ? | 21:20 |
| kerio | lol | 21:20 |
| kerio | du | 21:20 |
| kerio | er | 21:20 |
| * lcuk has seen someone with a melted n900 after an "experiment" | 21:20 | |
| E0x | in theory with generic host mode will be posible | 21:20 |
| dunz0r | pronto: Well, Ok. Me neither. I meant building some adapter-power-supplier-thing | 21:20 |
| E0x | but not sure the progress of the project | 21:20 |
| pronto | ah | 21:20 |
| Khertan | mine fly by the window car as my experimental car holder didn't grip well | 21:21 |
| kerio | dunz0r: usb host works somewhat | 21:21 |
| kerio | but it's not ready | 21:21 |
| lcuk | dunz0r, the USB hostmode stuff is a bit stalled but theoretically feasible with some driver hits | 21:21 |
| dunz0r | Hmm :) | 21:21 |
| dunz0r | If it's just a power issue, I'll just build an adaptor. | 21:21 |
| kerio | Khertan: did it work afterwards | 21:21 |
| lcuk | realistically, BT hookup would be more viable atm | 21:21 |
| kerio | ? | 21:21 |
| kerio | lcuk: usb-over-bluetooth! | 21:21 |
| lcuk | did someone get serial comms working out of the ports under battery? | 21:21 |
| kerio | it's brilliant | 21:21 |
| Khertan | kerio, yep ... just drop on grass ... | 21:22 |
| lcuk | kerio, arduino unit uses it | 21:22 |
| dunz0r | lcuk: Unfortunately, there aren't alot of bt-to-usb-thingies | 21:22 |
| dunz0r | Not that I know of anyway. | 21:22 |
| Khertan | grass in a swamp | 21:22 |
| Khertan | :) | 21:22 |
| lcuk | not necessarily usb | 21:22 |
| lcuk | but serial | 21:22 |
| Khertan | or wifi ! | 21:22 |
| Khertan | :) | 21:22 |
| dunz0r | Well... I can't connect a usb monitor to serial :) | 21:22 |
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| * lcuk sends and recieves data using screen and camera | 21:22 | |
| Khertan | dunz0r, why not ... | 21:23 |
| dunz0r | I can buy a portable TV instead... but it's not the same thing. | 21:23 |
| Khertan | :) | 21:23 |
| dunz0r | Khertan: I don't think there's enough bandwidth. Otherwise I would have no problem with it :) | 21:23 |
| Khertan | dunz0r, true | 21:23 |
| lcuk | dunz0r, if you understand USB at a low level kernel then the guys making hostmode could do with some help | 21:23 |
| dunz0r | lcuk: Depends on how lowlevel you mean. | 21:24 |
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| Khertan | someone have try meego handset on his n900 ? | 21:24 |
| dunz0r | I know how it works, but I don't have the inner understandings of protocols and such. | 21:24 |
| lcuk | dunz0r, kernel driver state transition table kind of low level | 21:24 |
| Khertan | i would like to try my first meego apps :) | 21:24 |
| dunz0r | Aha, not that lowlevel unfortunately. | 21:25 |
| tripzero | speaking of meego | 21:25 |
| dunz0r | I have no problems testing stuff though. | 21:25 |
| tripzero | the latter widgetsgallery doesn't install | 21:25 |
| tripzero | needs qt4.7 | 21:25 |
| lcuk | 4.7 is in -devel afaik | 21:25 |
| tripzero | which is silly | 21:25 |
| tripzero | extras devel? | 21:25 |
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| * dunz0r wants usb host mode so he can buy a mimo monitor and have the coolest laptop ever | 21:25 | |
| * lcuk nods | 21:25 | |
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| tripzero | lcuk, i don't think its there | 21:26 |
| lcuk | dunz0r, you have n900 - ergo, you already have the coolest laptop ever | 21:26 |
| tripzero | libmeegotouch is in extras devel too | 21:26 |
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| tripzero | it claims qt4.7 is "unavailable" | 21:26 |
| * lcuk hmms | 21:27 | |
| frals | hmm | 21:27 |
| Khertan | hm | 21:28 |
| frals | is setting default dir when attaching image for mms to camera dir a good idea or not? | 21:28 |
| * tripzero checks again | 21:28 | |
| Khertan | frals i would say ... no | 21:28 |
| * tripzero wants to run meego apps on maemo... | 21:28 | |
| frals | Khertan: why not? :) | 21:29 |
| lcuk | libqt4-experimental-gui | 21:29 |
| * tripzero yells at nokia: "fix ur libmeegotouch-dev package!!" | 21:29 | |
| * lcuk ahhhs | 21:29 | |
| lcuk | tripzero, yell louder :) | 21:29 |
| Khertan | frals, keep the last used folder for attaching mms image | 21:29 |
| tripzero | can't, i'm out of breath now | 21:29 |
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| lcuk | frals, yes | 21:29 |
| frals | Khertan: good idea | 21:29 |
| lcuk | but retain selection during a session? | 21:29 |
| lcuk | lol | 21:29 |
| * lcuk actually looks up sometimes | 21:30 | |
| * Khertan is away ... | 21:30 | |
| Khertan | bye | 21:30 |
| tripzero | i mean really... widgetsgallery is fun... for like 2 mins | 21:30 |
| tripzero | imho, the real value of even putting in in maemo is so users can install meego apps | 21:31 |
| tripzero | and developers can, yanno, develop meego apps and test them on something | 21:31 |
| frals | heh | 21:31 |
| tripzero | ...and have a phone at the same time | 21:32 |
| lcuk | tripzero, also since qt runs anywhere they have to :P | 21:32 |
| jacekowski | ok | 21:32 |
| jacekowski | coldflashing still works | 21:32 |
| jacekowski | but on linux | 21:32 |
| jacekowski | on windows it's no go | 21:32 |
| jacekowski | because phone disconnects before windows manages to install drivers | 21:33 |
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| drizztbsd | hi, how can I install a .install file from command line? | 21:43 |
| zeltak | hya..is it possible to customize the conky app like on a nix desktop? | 21:46 |
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| zeltak | right now conky is only an app right? its not a desktop add on like in *nix..right? | 21:46 |
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| dunz0r | zeltak: I think it is just like a normal conky, except it's run in a window. | 21:51 |
| dunz0r | Make your own ~/.conkyrc and see for yourself. | 21:51 |
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| frals | oh, total download count from repos + garage is over half a million now for fmms | 21:52 |
| frals | \o/ | 21:52 |
| * dunz0r reads the thread on USB OTG | 21:53 | |
| dunz0r | :( | 21:53 |
| dunz0r | Where can I get updates on this btw? | 21:53 |
| dunz0r | http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_USB_Host :O | 21:54 |
| dunz0r | Why didn't I find this an hour ago! | 21:54 |
| E0x | there | 21:54 |
| E0x | in that page you will find update of that project | 21:54 |
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| zeltak | thx dunz0r ill try creating a .conkyrc | 21:56 |
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| zeltak | would have been cool to have conky in one of the virtual desktops though :) | 21:58 |
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| dunz0r | zeltak: Try and put in in the root window and see what happens :) | 21:59 |
| dunz0r | I mean removing the own_window or whatever the option is. | 21:59 |
| zeltak | ha? i dont follow dunz0r (sorry i only have the n900 for a few days :)) | 22:00 |
| dunz0r | zeltak: There you go. http://conky.sourceforge.net/config_settings.html | 22:01 |
| dunz0r | zeltak: Set own_window to no in your .conkyrc and see what happens :) | 22:01 |
| zeltak | gotcha :) thx dunz0r :) | 22:04 |
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| hackytae | who already success in submetting a packet available now in application manager? | 22:27 |
| hackytae | I need to find out how this mystery work | 22:28 |
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| DrIDK | Hi guy!! Where can I find media player icons of maemo ? | 22:30 |
| alterego | hackytae: there's plenty of documentation on uploading packages on the wiki | 22:30 |
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| hackytae | Thanks alterego, I go there now | 22:31 |
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| DrIDK | does somebody know where can I download hildon icons on my desktop ? | 22:41 |
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| MohammadAG51 | tmo down? | 22:48 |
| MohammadAG51 | nvm | 22:48 |
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| DrIDK | nobody ? | 22:54 |
| MohammadAG | X-Fade, mind checking out bug 11022? | 22:54 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11022 request be the maintainer of my package | 22:54 |
| DrIDK | ? where can I find Hildon icons for maemo5 ? | 22:54 |
| MohammadAG | /usr/share/icons | 22:54 |
| crashanddie | damn | 22:57 |
| crashanddie | I wish the N900 had a bigger antenna | 22:57 |
| BugBlue | buy an iphone4 | 22:57 |
| MohammadAG | DrIDK, http://www.forum.nokia.com/document/Maemo_5_Icon_List/ | 22:57 |
| crashanddie | lightning provides hundreds of thousands of volts, and has been recorded up to 800000 amps | 22:57 |
| crashanddie | instant charging | 22:57 |
| MohammadAG | enough to solve all host mode problems | 22:57 |
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| DrIDK | MohammadAG: tx | 22:59 |
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| cehteh | crashanddie: my saying .. some external antenna connectors on the n900 would be the ultimate geek plaything | 23:07 |
| DrIDK | Is it an easy way to access to icon instead :/usr/share/hicolor/48x48/hildon pdf_viewer_last_page.png ? | 23:09 |
| MohammadAG | huh? | 23:10 |
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| DrIDK | MohammadAG: for example QICon ( path("hildon pdf_viewer_last_page.png ")) instead QIcon(/usr/share/hicolor/48x48/hildon pdf_viewer_last_page.png ) | 23:13 |
| DrIDK | I m just asking because KDE use KIcon | 23:13 |
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| alterego | DrIDK: QIcon::fromTheme("pdf_viewer_last_page.png") | 23:16 |
| E0x | DrIDK: you can put the full path in a variable and do something like : $FULL_PATH/hildon pdf_viewer_last_page.png | 23:16 |
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| alterego | QIcon::fromTheme() does all that for you | 23:16 |
| DrIDK | E0x: yep yep.. I know I was just asking for something like QIcon::fromTheme | 23:17 |
| crashanddie | damn, and I was coding an ugly one-liner :P | 23:17 |
| E0x | ok | 23:17 |
| alterego | :) | 23:17 |
| MohammadAG | crashanddie, ugly injection patch? :P | 23:17 |
| alterego | DrIDK: actually, don't put .png after the name either ;) | 23:17 |
| alterego | Should just be QIcon::fromTheme("general_fullsize") or whatever. | 23:18 |
| DrIDK | alterego: ?QIcon::fromTheme("pdf_viewer_last_page") | 23:18 |
| alterego | dirty: yeah | 23:18 |
| alterego | Erm, DrIDK yeah ;) | 23:18 |
| DrIDK | alterego: works!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Thanks | 23:18 |
| alterego | (silly autocomplete) :) | 23:18 |
| alterego | No problem | 23:18 |
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| hackytae | Is it impossible to have add-apt-repository on maemo? | 23:21 |
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| crashanddie | MohammadAG: I wish | 23:24 |
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| jacekowski | hackytae: you can add it using any text editor | 23:29 |
| hackytae | How ? | 23:30 |
| jacekowski | 23:30 | |
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| jacekowski | and using space before "?" is incorrect | 23:30 |
| _llll_ | in english | 23:30 |
| hackytae | It's a command line, a tool to have install before | 23:30 |
| hackytae | How a text editor can replace it? | 23:31 |
| jacekowski | all repositories are just entries in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ | 23:31 |
| jacekowski | all repositories are just entries in /etc/apt/sources.list.d | 23:31 |
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| jacekowski | all repositories are just entries in /etc/apt/sources.list | 23:31 |
| jacekowski | there | 23:31 |
| jacekowski | for example | 23:31 |
| jacekowski | deb http://security.debian.org/ testing/updates main | 23:31 |
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| * mgedmin will put a space before ? if he ends a sentence with a url, e.g. "have you seen this -- http://www.google.com ?" | 23:32 | |
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| _llll_ | better to not end a sentence with a url | 23:34 |
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| hackytae | there is not a sourcesList file on maemo | 23:36 |
| crashanddie | mgedmin: parenthesises are a bitch, too :P | 23:36 |
| Corsac | that's what she lisp | 23:37 |
| hackytae | Sorry, I found the file | 23:37 |
| Dantonic | I'm having a problem with storage on my N900... It says I only have 110MB free, when looking at memory usage, it says there are 20+GB of audio files on the device, but there are definitely less than 10... not sure what is going on anyone have an idea? | 23:38 |
| hackytae | thanks jacekowski | 23:39 |
| crashanddie | MohammadAG51: which account are you on? 51 or AG? | 23:39 |
| crashanddie | Dantonic: it lied to you | 23:40 |
| Dantonic | :( | 23:40 |
| Dantonic | so what's the deal? it's just displaying wrong information? I do actually have that space? | 23:40 |
| mgedmin | it's a VFAT filesystem, maybe the space is all in "lost clusters" or whatever they're called | 23:40 |
| mgedmin | run dosfsck on it | 23:40 |
| Dantonic | how do I recover them? | 23:41 |
| Dantonic | I ran fsck | 23:41 |
| Dantonic | but maybe not with the correct parameters | 23:41 |
| kerio | it's trackerd's fault! | 23:41 |
| kerio | it always is | 23:41 |
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| mgedmin | Dantonic, if you did not pass either -r or -a to dosfsck, then it didn't change anything | 23:42 |
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| mgedmin | also, be sure to unmount before you fsck! | 23:42 |
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| Dantonic | I just ran a "sudo fsck -fy /dev/mmcblk0p1" | 23:43 |
| Dantonic | dosfsck? | 23:44 |
| lcuk | mgedmin, style wise, my usual one if I use punctuation is: have you seen this? http://google.com | 23:44 |
| Dantonic | is that the same as fsck? | 23:44 |
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| mgedmin | fsck determines the fs type and invokes the right tool, dosfsck in this case | 23:44 |
| jacekowski | Dantonic: there is lot of different filesystems on n900 | 23:45 |
| Dantonic | I see | 23:45 |
| jacekowski | Dantonic: and that 110M of free looks like it's displayinf free space on rootfs | 23:45 |
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| mgedmin | I don't know if -f or -y are sufficient | 23:45 |
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| mgedmin | run fsck twice; if it reports the same errors again, then it didn't fix anything | 23:45 |
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| Dantonic | jacekowski, well when I check the "memory details" it tells me I have 20GB of audio in use... but that's incorrect | 23:45 |
| Dantonic | it's wrong by more than 10GB | 23:46 |
| mgedmin | hm, -y is an alias for -a | 23:46 |
| Dantonic | and I checked every folder | 23:46 |
| mgedmin | so it should've worked | 23:46 |
| jacekowski | hmmm | 23:46 |
| Dantonic | I didn't unmount however mgedmin | 23:46 |
| mgedmin | eek | 23:46 |
| jacekowski | that's tracker info | 23:46 |
| mgedmin | fsck'ing a live system can corrupt it badly | 23:46 |
| jacekowski | afaik | 23:46 |
| Dantonic | ouch | 23:46 |
| jacekowski | mgedmin: fscking live filesystem will fsck it up | 23:46 |
| Dantonic | so do a "sudo umount /dev/mmcblk0p1" ? | 23:46 |
| jacekowski | no | 23:47 |
| jacekowski | sudo gainroot | 23:47 |
| jacekowski | umount /dev/mmcwhatever | 23:47 |
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| Dantonic | what's the difference? | 23:47 |
| mgedmin | the default sudo setup doesn't let you sudo arbitrary-command | 23:47 |
| jacekowski | sudo umount is not going to work | 23:47 |
| mgedmin | which is stupid imho but oh well | 23:47 |
| jacekowski | mgedmin: it's not stupid | 23:48 |
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| jacekowski | mgedmin: because if it would allow running any command then you could run everything as root | 23:48 |
| mgedmin | de gustibus non disputandum | 23:48 |
| Dantonic | resource is busy... | 23:48 |
| Dantonic | don't think anything is accessing it atm | 23:48 |
| jacekowski | lsof will help | 23:48 |
| mgedmin | jacekowski, hello, I can already run anything as root if I can "sudo gainroot" | 23:48 |
| mgedmin | the only diff is convenience | 23:48 |
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| jacekowski | mgedmin: thing is that malicious program can't | 23:49 |
| mgedmin | yeah right | 23:49 |
| mgedmin | please define "malicious program" | 23:49 |
| Dantonic | omg lsof! | 23:49 |
| Dantonic | filled up too much | 23:49 |
| mgedmin | every .deb's postinst script is run with root privs | 23:49 |
| jacekowski | exploited browser for example | 23:49 |
| mgedmin | hm | 23:49 |
| Dantonic | can I just force the umount? how do I do that? | 23:50 |
| jacekowski | Dantonic: it's not going to work | 23:50 |
| jacekowski | Dantonic: umount -l may work | 23:50 |
| Dantonic | lol | 23:50 |
| kerio | jacekowski: what does gainroot check? | 23:50 |
| mgedmin | Dantonic, plug in a USB cable, and the n900 will do its best to umount it | 23:50 |
| Dantonic | ty | 23:50 |
| crashanddie | MohammadAG51: http://www.valot.fi/kalle/tmp/wl12xx/20090429/ | 23:50 |
| jacekowski | kerio: thing is that gainroot always executes shell | 23:50 |
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| jacekowski | kerio: and then you have to type your command | 23:50 |
| kerio | i see | 23:50 |
| mgedmin | jacekowski, echo id|sudo gainroot | 23:51 |
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| mgedmin | zero protection | 23:51 |
| MohammadAG | O_o | 23:51 |
| jacekowski | mgedmin: are you sure? | 23:51 |
| Dantonic | ok so now I can run fsck -fy /dev/mmcblk0p1 ya? | 23:51 |
| mgedmin | just tried it on my n900 | 23:51 |
| _llll_ | what kind of "protection" did you expect? | 23:51 |
| jacekowski | well, that should be fixed | 23:51 |
| mgedmin | you assume it *can* be fixed | 23:51 |
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| mgedmin | anything you let the user do, programs can do on the user's behalf | 23:52 |
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| jacekowski | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7n8GqewJ2M | 23:52 |
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| mgedmin | unless you ask the user to solve a captcha every time she tries sudo gainroot ;) | 23:52 |
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| _llll_ | "fixed"? what are you guys on about? | 23:52 |
| jacekowski | well, maemo is security disaster anyways | 23:52 |
| jacekowski | and nobody does anything about remote exploits | 23:53 |
| Dantonic | well it checked clusters... says 440582/442377 | 23:53 |
| Dantonic | not sure what that means | 23:53 |
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| mgedmin | a progress bar, no? | 23:53 |
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| MohammadAG | crashanddie, can't see an injection patch, you got me overexcited | 23:54 |
| Dantonic | well, mounted it back, still shows 112MB available :( | 23:55 |
| flux | mgedmin, there could be a separate physical button that does sudo gainroot :) | 23:56 |
| mgedmin | Dantonic, and du /home/MyDocs says what? | 23:56 |
| jacekowski | ahhh | 23:56 |
| jacekowski | ffs | 23:56 |
| jacekowski | nolo is signed | 23:56 |
| kerio | so? | 23:56 |
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| jacekowski | but there is no cert | 23:57 |
| lcuk | flux, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z86V_ICUCD4 | 23:57 |
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| crashanddie | MohammadAG: can I spam you? | 23:57 |
| jacekowski | it's not using HS stuff | 23:57 |
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| jacekowski | it's verified by x-loader | 23:57 |
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| MohammadAG | crashanddie, sure | 23:57 |
| Dantonic | what do you mean mgedmin? | 23:58 |
| mgedmin | the 'du' command computes the size taken by a directory, recursively | 23:58 |
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| mgedmin | and of course I meant 'du /home/user/MyDocs' | 23:59 |
| Dantonic | oh | 23:59 |
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