IRC log of #maemo for Monday, 2010-07-26

alteregoDon't think I'll ever get this texturing to work :(00:00
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alteregoI've been at OpenGL ES2 for about 2 days off and on and I still can't draw a textured square ..00:01
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fragmentalterego: recommended reading;)
lcukalterego, theres maemo examples in the wiki00:03
lcukwhich work00:03
alteregoThanks fragment I'll bare it in mind.00:04
alteregolcuk: I know00:04
alteregoI've been using them :/00:04
alteregoI can't understand why my code doesn't do it :/00:04
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* lcuk made a custom shader that drew custom texture onto something 00:04
alteregoIt's just the texturing that doesn't work. I can draw coloured polygons fine.00:04
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Maceri wonder if this polish bottled water is actually water from poland00:04
fragmentalterego: is your data ok? and the correct type?00:04
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alteregofragment: how do you mean data?00:05
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fragmentalterego: the texture00:05
alteregofragment: well, Qt handles the texture loading.00:05
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alteregoSo for a sanity check I'm just using the same texture that the Qt example uses, and loading it the same as they do.00:05
lcukrevert example, confirm it works00:06
fragmentalterego: so you get a single color triangle?00:06
lcukthen re-apply history and find out where you broke it00:06
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fragmentalterego: when using texture, I mean00:06
alteregofragment: well, I colour each vertex differently but yeah, coloured triangle.00:06
fragmentalterego: is the color found also in the texture? maybe your UV coordinates are messed up and it stretches one pixel over the whole triangle or something00:07
alteregoThat's possible, but I just get a black screen and I don't think there's a black pixel in the image ;)00:08
alteregofragment: and I've checked that data loads.00:08
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lcukfragment, shaders are yuv?00:08
fragmentalterego: checked all the gl errors? does the shader compile and link okay?00:08
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alteregofragment: yup, all checked.00:08
alteregoIf the shader didn't work, then I wouldn't see the coloured triangles :P00:09
guille_which app do you recommend to inspect dbus services?00:09
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alteregoHere's my model spec:
fragmentlcuk: textures can be 2d or 3d00:09
alteregoBasically two triangles.00:10
lcukfragment, you said "uv" though00:10
lcuki know textures can be 3d, the original marble algorithmic textures from amiga days showed me that00:10
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lcukmorning MohammadAG51 \o00:10
kerioevening MohammadAG5100:11
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MohammadAG51morning lcuk00:14
MohammadAG51hey kerio00:14
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LiraNunaalterego, what are you using to show up a GL canvas?00:15
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alteregoLiraNuna: Qt, my canvas is fine ..00:18
LiraNunaalterego, ah, I'm using Qt too00:18
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LiraNunaI suggest using QGLShaderProgram, it's cross platform and will allow you to test on your desktop00:19
LiraNunaalterego, remember in Qt you must use OGL ES 2.0 only.00:19
alteregoThat's what I'm trying to do :P00:19
LiraNunajust verifying, I wasted 3 hours realizing that00:19
LiraNunaalterego, what are you trying to do?00:20
LiraNunagot any code samples?00:20
alteregoJust draw a textured rectangle ..00:20
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LiraNunaalterego, that's what I do :)00:21
LiraNunawell, a little more00:21
alteregoAnd it works for you? :)00:21
LiraNunayep, on the phone too00:21
LiraNunaas well as desktop00:21
LiraNunaalterego, try to compile it and see00:22
LiraNunaalterego, if you want 'raw' GL, there's a version a few commits back using just gl calls00:23
crashanddieok, gmail is being funky00:24
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alteregoLiraNuna: andrei1089you mean over using the Qt stuff?00:24
crashanddiecan't login to my other accounts anymore... I'm clicking "Sign in as a different user", but it keeps switching back to my previous account...00:24
alteregoI'm using the Qt stuff for matrices and shaders00:24
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LiraNunaalterego, me too00:24
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alteregoYeah, I'm looking at it :P00:25
LiraNunais that what you're doing?00:25
alteregoPretty much00:25
LiraNunayou can get rid of the for loop in 78-81 and instead just draw a single 'tile'00:26
LiraNunaalterego, do you use Matrix4x4::ortho() ?00:26
LiraNunaI didn't have luck with that one, no matter what I tried00:26
LiraNunaI think the bug is in QGLShaderProgram::setUniform(string, matrix4x4) actually00:27
alteregoNo, I'm using identity at the moment anyway.00:27
alteregoMy shader doesn't do perspective.00:27
alteregoI just want to get it all working in "2D" first.00:27
LiraNunaalterego, mind sharing some code?00:27
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lcukLiraNuna, for shits n giggles, could you add an arbritary rotation angle onto each blit and tell me the frame differences. .?00:28
lcukframe rate ^00:28
LiraNunaframe rate is awful already00:28
LiraNunathe SGX driver is of horrible quality00:28
lcukps LiraNuna00:29
lcukin your paintgl routine00:29
lcukdo some boundary checks00:30
lcukand dont waste time pushing polygons with textures onto the stack00:30
LiraNunaI got a better local version already00:30
LiraNunait's just not ready for push00:30
lcukgridwidth*gridheight would potentially be where the problem is00:30
LiraNunashows full map browsing experience00:30
lcukok LiraNuna but bear it in mind00:30
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lcukhow large is your grid?00:31
LiraNunaminimum to the screen00:31
LiraNuna800x480 would be 5x300:31
LiraNunaceil(800 / 256) + 100:32
lcukok, so thats not the size i thought - i once made one with a grid of about 200*20000:32
Vanadisgood evening00:32
LiraNunalcuk, the tiling is very fake00:32
LiraNuna renderer.setUniformValue("translation", translation.x() % Tile::SIZE, translation.y() % Tile::SIZE, 0, 0);00:32
Vanadisdoes the n900 check for application updates everytime it's connected to internet?00:32
LiraNunaand my local version does it better00:33
LiraNunaVanadis, I believe it checks for updates every morning00:33
LiraNunaor upon request00:33
lcukLiraNuna, push to github as a branch :)00:33
* lcuk has branches now00:33
Vanadishmm, j00:33
LiraNunalcuk, that eager to see it?00:33
lcukLiraNuna, on the night your computer hard drive fails, you will thank me00:33
LiraNunaI got RAID1 locally00:34
LiraNunaand backup every night to local server00:34
LiraNunardiff-backup ftw00:34
* lcuk now pushes even unstable stuff up to github00:34
LiraNunabut sure, if you want the code, hold on00:34
LiraNunalet me generate diff00:34
lcukLiraNuna, i have more code than i can work with anyway :P00:34
lcukgit commit tho :P00:35
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LiraNunathere's stuff I don't want to commit.00:35
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LiraNunalcuk, branch for-lcuk00:37
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lcukawesome :p00:37
LiraNunadon't blame me if it kills your cat or burns your house00:37
lcukwouldnt anyway00:38
* lcuk pushed code for this up:
lcukactually, a cleaner version which is useful! its an image viewer using that principle00:38
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LiraNunalcuk, it's very memory hungry.00:40
lcukLiraNuna, your map doofer?00:41
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lcuki shall have to remember how bad mine was00:41
lcuki did a render test which just picked up a range of tiles and shown them in panning area00:42
lcukit worked awesomely well until i broke it00:42
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LiraNunalcuk, having fun yet? :P00:49
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lcukLiraNuna, i always have fun00:50
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Guest94839yay for the female usb contact fail?00:52
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lcukGuest94839, how come you dont have a proper nickname00:55
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LiraNunamaybe that's his nickname and that keeps him away from the evils of the internets00:56
lcukits normally FIQ ;)00:56
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DOnJUiLiEmi come to make a .deb of libpar2 and nzbget00:59
DOnJUiLiEmwork fine on my n90000:59
DOnJUiLiEmsomeone want it to test i would like to distribut it00:59
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DOnJUiLiEmand say me if i have make some mistake01:00
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lcukDOnJUiLiEm, you told us the technical linux names, but not what it does or why someone would want to try it01:00
DOnJUiLiEmi want than someone try to say me if i can release it on official depot if it s possible ...01:01
DOnJUiLiEmi dont want make a mistake01:01
DOnJUiLiEmn900 is really the best phone that i have ever dream :)01:02
DOnJUiLiEmand for information nzbget01:02
DOnJUiLiEmit s a newsgroup client01:02
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DOnJUiLiEmi plan to make an interface in qt after01:03
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kerioi really don't see the point in having a high-speed usenet downloader on what is arguably a phone01:04
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FIQOh, because i don't have autoidentify on P1i01:05
LiraNunakerio, we have a bittornet client, it works quite well on HSPA+01:05
Guest56392i think i've played with my phone alot for the first 2 months01:05
Guest56392now i just use it to call01:06
FIQDunno if it's worth fixing when i get my N900 working in.. well, some weeks01:06
LiraNunaI'm disappointed about the N900's navigation capabilities01:06
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DOnJUiLiEmnzbget work fine but the phone is slow01:06
LiraNunawhich is primarily what I use01:06
DOnJUiLiEmand to answer to it kerio01:06
DOnJUiLiEmif u are with some friend like the phone can connected on tv u can download the movie and after play it on tv01:07
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kerioDOnJUiLiEm: a task that's definetely performed better with a computer/laptop/divx player/htpc01:08
DOnJUiLiEmsure but can i be happy to have it on my phone ? ^^01:09
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trumeeDOnJUiLiEm, nzb on the phone will be great01:10
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DOnJUiLiEmtrumee, i have make it today01:11
DOnJUiLiEmdo u want the .deb ?01:11
DOnJUiLiEmafter installing u just need to type01:11
DOnJUiLiEmnzbget ur_nzb.nzb01:11
trumeewhy dont you post that in extras-devel?01:12
trumeenot sure how you will do that though.01:12
DOnJUiLiEmbecause i don t know how01:12
DOnJUiLiEmand i don t want make a mistake or make a bad package01:12
trumeesure somebody here will be able to hel you01:13
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trumeeDOnJUiLiEm, would love to see it devel. But dont you need par2 as well?01:16
DOnJUiLiEmtrumee, i have make the twice01:18
DOnJUiLiEmpar2 and nzbget01:18
DOnJUiLiEmi can dcc it to u01:18
DOnJUiLiEmbecause i don t think release it today01:19
DOnJUiLiEmif u want just tell me01:19
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DocScrutinizerDOnJUiLiEm: how large is the .deb? How large are tared/gzipped sourcefiles?01:28
DocScrutinizerDOnJUiLiEm: don't you have any way to upload those to a file share somewhere?01:29
DOnJUiLiEmi can do it01:29
DOnJUiLiEmdo u have a preferencies ?01:29
DocScrutinizersure better than DCC01:30
DocScrutinizerme personally no01:30
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DocScrutinizerbut you could announce in and include the link to download location. You'll probably get much more feedback than by asking here and sharing via DCC01:31
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IvisHi, where i can find apps for nokia on the web ? n90001:32
DOnJUiLiEmi transfert it on my serv and make it01:32
asjIvis: practically, you don't, use the phones App Manager01:33
Ivisasj i know but i wanna check software on pc01:33
Ivisou i found it :) ok thanks anyway01:34
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DocScrutinizercould some testers please give a vote? Thanks01:39
DocScrutinizer(sorry for description on web still somewhat mangled, in HAM anyway it's correct)01:40
DocScrutinizerbug #1098701:40
povbotBug  * <foo> rendering issue01:40
FIQstarhash-enabler is what? (can't follow links atm)01:42
DocScrutinizerenables service codes (like *67# for call divert) in standard dialer01:46
DocScrutinizerso you finally can have fine grained control over call forwarding, and many other aspects of GSM service which your provider supports but N900 didn't01:47
Iviswhere i can see a full list of mobile phones wich are based on maemo ?01:48
DocScrutinizer*#-ena moves N900 on par with cheap 20$ featurephones, with respect to that01:49
asjDocScrutinizer: there has been a settings widget for that for ever, btw. (not saying entering star codes by hand isn't good too)01:51
kerioDocScrutinizer: nice01:53
JaffaIvis: I've pasted the complete list of mobile phones based on Maemo here:
MohammadAG51i don't need an extra widget to make my N900 use normal codes01:53
kerioit's not a widget01:53
keriooh nvm01:53
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MohammadAG51kerio, i know, i made that package01:54
MohammadAG51helped make it01:54
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FIQlvis, let me give you the list:01:54
FIQ* N90001:54
FIQUh, i lag01:55
kerioJaffa: lol01:55
IvisFIQ ok thanks :)01:55
JaffaFIQ: I thought about doing that, but figured the pastebin could be funnier. Not sure.01:55
Iviscan i change os for example to gentoo on my n900 ?01:56
DocScrutinizerasj: (settings widget) none I know of, that would really deal with all the codes, or just with all the important codes01:57
FIQJaffa, wondered that as well. :p01:58
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asjDocScrutinizer: it just deals with all the forwarding ones01:59
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DocScrutinizerasj: in a comprehensive manner, like specifying number of seconds to ring, before redirect on "not answering"?02:00
asjDocScrutinizer: ayup, even polls to see what the current network setting is too02:02
DocScrutinizer:-) rather fine. Nevertheless *#-ena targets a slightly different topic02:02
asjDocScrutinizer: yeah, just more an fyi :)02:02
DocScrutinizerthanks :-))02:03
asjthe n900 has some of the features of the $20 nokia 1101, really! ;)02:03
Macerput on the tin hats02:05
|Rit doesn't seem to allow breaking in a network though02:05
Maceri know02:06
Macerthat's why i said put on the tin hats ;)02:06
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Macerthe reactive method to network protection would be to use wpa2 enterprise with strict logging and pkt injection detection which would disable the account and revoke the user and then allow someone to fire them :)02:07
Maceror perm ban the MAC02:07
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Macer:) a person can only use so many devices and would probably give up after the 1st one02:08
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ShapeshifterThere was some odd rubbery thingy that you put on the N900 that makes it look like a game pad. I can't find it... Does someone know what I'm talking about?02:18
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kerioit was a kludge though02:19
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alteregosweet, you can set microb to use a socks proxy (I'm using ssh) :)02:20
alteregoI might write a little howto or something for the newbs.02:20
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Shapeshifterkerio: any idea what the name was?02:21
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kerioi think i read about it on joystiq02:22
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MohammadAG51alterego a howto for yourself? cool02:22
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alteregoSomeone was asking about socks and maemo earlier.02:23
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MohammadAG51alterego, it's christmas already?02:23
alteregoUseful for me, to circumvent "vodafone content control"02:24
MohammadAG51never used socks tbh02:24
MohammadAG51idk what socks is/are02:24
kerioMohammadAG51: TMI02:24
ShapeshifterUhm, say I want to play a high res vid in the n900, just to test how much it lags; When I play it in mplayer I get this error: Source image dimensions are too high: 1280x720 (maximum is 864x648) FATAL: Cannot initialize video driver.02:24
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Shapeshiftermplayer -vf scale=800:48002:28
MohammadAG51cpu rape-ive02:28
Shapeshifteryeah it doesn't work very well xD02:28
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DocScrutinizertry 640:360, might work better due to integer scaling factor02:34
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DocScrutinizeror transcode to new file, then probably playback is ok02:35
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ShapeshifterDocScrutinizer: that actually plays better but still badly02:54
MacerShapeshifter: you cant scale it real time like that on an n90002:58
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Macerbest to convert using handbrake02:59
Macerim surprised something like that would have played faster than 2fps :)02:59
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Macermplayer probably uses no hw decoding at all03:00
Macerthe scaling is esentially re-encoding on the fly03:00
Maceruse the ipod setting from handbrake for quick video making... or make your own profile and save it for the n90003:01
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ShapeshifterMacer: yeah sure03:03
ShapeshifterI wasn't expecting it to work ;)03:03
Macerme too when i tried it03:03
Macerat least handbrake makes it easy ;)03:04
ShapeshifterMacer: does it downsample to the highest possible res?03:05
Shapeshifteras in, it still looks very good?03:05
Macertry it03:06
Macermake an n900 specific profile and you are golden ;)03:06
Maceralthough. encoding as h264 will use the hw decoding on the n90003:06
Macerso no need for mplayer03:07
liorihow big will these files be after encoding?03:07
ShadowJKh264 baseline works on n900 hardware decoder, 800x480 or so maximum res. h264 main profile and h264 high profile doesn't work with hw decode on n900, max res is something like 352x288 with MPlayer then..03:11
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cheriffhi, im wondering if anyone has had any luck with the UART behind the battery on the N900 as ttyS0? (as mentioned on but i'm not sure how much is hearsay)04:12
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DocScrutinizerjacekowski did it04:16
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cheriffDocScrutinizer: yes thanks, i was just wondering on some details: were any of the jtag pins ever confirmed, suggestions on building a breakout board for the signals, etc04:21
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cheriffin particular, how jacekowski was able to boot with 'no battery present'04:24
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Maemoboiis this channel still alive?04:26
Maemoboiany1 here?04:27
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SpeedEvilcheriff: jacekowski found txd04:28
SpeedEvilcheriff: it is 1.8v logic04:28
Maemoboihas anyone found a fix for the buggy phone application in maemo?04:29
cheriffSpeedEvil: cool. im sure we can jury rig something together with this :)04:30
Maemoboieverytime i get a call the screen gets all messed up....missed a lotta cals04:31
MohammadAGbackport the newest hildon-desktop04:32
Maemoboiwhere is it?04:33
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MohammadAGsec, got a binary iirc04:33
Maemoboii'm tallking about N90004:33
MohammadAGI know04:34
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Iviswhere i can download n900 games?04:34
Maemoboitry the repos bjuddy04:35
MaemoboiIvis: there aint shit games for N90004:35
IvisMaemoboi can i install any linux game on n900 ?04:35
MaemoboiIvis: i dunnol04:36
Maemoboiso i just install this and then what?04:37
MohammadAGit has the bug fixed04:38
MohammadAGwhat bug no., not sure04:38
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cheriffoh, looks like you need the wallcharger to progress past boot04:39
DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: just checked that, the supposed 2.6V sound odd04:39
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DocScrutinizercheriff: err wut? wallcharger, boot?04:42
DocScrutinizercheriff: jacekowski attached a PSU to the battery contacts04:42
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cheriffDocScrutinizer: oh, thats intereseting, cheers :) I was basing off: "If a wall charger is detected a device can be booted immediately, otherwise a battery is charged in low power mode until a bootable level is reached."04:44
DocScrutinizerthat's BS04:45
cheriffi took that to mean it wont do a nobat-boot over USB, but will with the wallsocked (where d+ and d- are shorted)04:45
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cheriffyeah, i just found my wallplug and no love ;)04:45
DocScrutinizerit will do faster charge with D+- short, but it always will need batery to boot and it will need decent voltage on that battery to boot04:46
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DocScrutinizerotherwise it will go into emergency recover charge mode, with steady amber04:46
infobotRemove battery for 1 minute. Insert battery. Plug powered Nokia wallcharger to device. Watch steady amber. Let sit and charge. Do NOT try to boot. After 30 min, you got either a) a booted up N900, b) an flashing amber which means you can boot, c) steady amber going off - in this case start over again with unplugging and replugging charger to device04:47
cheriffthanks for that. was just hpoing for easier access to the pads04:47
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DocScrutinizerI operated N900 for ~32min without battery :-)04:48
DocScrutinizernot thru boot though04:49
Ivisi just install vultures.install this game and can't find it04:50
Iviswhere it should be?04:50
DocScrutinizer(don't forget to hit thanks button :-P my thanks rating stalls XD)04:50
DocScrutinizerIvis: in appstarter icons?04:51
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DocScrutinizerwhere else could it be?04:52
Ivisyea i know but nothing there04:52
DocScrutinizerthen it's crap, it seems04:52
Ivisok :)04:53
DocScrutinizeryou could try starting it from cmdline04:54
DocScrutinizerdunno what to start though04:54
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DocScrutinizermaybe check HAM log (from HAM menu) - there might something gone wrong on install04:55
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IvisDocScrutinizer ok ty, and one more question :D on which linux are based n900 ?04:56
DocScrutinizerthough the N900 is maemo04:57
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Ivisok thanks bro :) soo much problems with mobile phone04:57
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luke-jrok, so I just finished adding Tonal characters to Luxi Mono... any simple way to get Maemo to use it? (*on topic*)05:54
TermanaN900luke-jr, ill go get the banhammer ready. :P05:58
DocScrutinizer51oh wooow05:59
DocScrutinizer51mediaplayer vPR1.2 *actually* learnt "delete song from playlist" - incredible06:00
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DocScrutinizeranother joke: thought I add ~flatbatrecover comment to tmo, so I searched for 'dead' in thread title: "N900 dead?", "Think my n900 is dead....", "is my N900 Dead?", "Is my N900 dead?", "Is my N900 dead?", "Dead N900?", "  N900 Dead, MPD support number?", "Dead N900 after charging :-(", "Device completely dead - help!!!", "  Dead after the PR1.1 failed update. Returning my N900 to Nokia.", "  N900 dead after attempt at updating software"...06:07
DocScrutinizerThat's just first page of hits, minus those that are not variations of same topic06:07
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TermanaN900in regards to emergency charging, what if when it tries to boot the OS has no BME? Is there enough charge to do a flash?06:09
DocScrutinizererr what?06:09
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DocScrutinizerno, you won't get enough carge into battery for flashing, with a system that's missing charger software06:10
TermanaN900so your screwed if you flatten your battery on an alternative os without bme?06:11
DocScrutinizerthe acting_dead supposedly 'off' state charging is just a fully booted system with reduced set of services06:12
DocScrutinizerso yes06:12
DocScrutinizeryou're screwed06:12
ds3buy a rescue N900 to charge the battery06:14
TermanaN900i cant believe nokia didnt anticipate that would happen06:14
DocScrutinizerI got a rescue N90006:14
DocScrutinizerTermanaN900: they did06:14
TermanaN900looks like ill be buying myself an external battery charger06:14
LiraNunadon't they warn "charge battery fully before updating" ?06:14
TermanaN900DocScrutinizer, they did, but did nothing about it?06:15
DocScrutinizerthey clearly say: recharge your battery completely before flashing, as when flashing goes wrong you won't be able to charge battery06:15
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DocScrutinizerflashing failing == flashing a OS without bme06:15
TermanaN900DocScrutinizer, right but if you have a different os that doesnt have bme and your battery dies, you stuck as well06:16
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TermanaN900not just when you flash06:16
* DocScrutinizer shrugs06:16
DocScrutinizeryou're not supposed to flash borked odd OS.06:17
DocScrutinizerThat's a wider case of 'flashing failed'06:17
Macerwow. some of the stuff that snor leopard can't do just amazes me06:19
DocScrutinizerwhat puzzles me more is there's obviously no fallback to recover from a damaged NOLO06:19
Macertheming being a big one06:19
Maceryou have to jump through hoops to get it to look like it isn't a default android install06:19
TermanaN900Macer, snow leopard... as in os x? maybe if you used a mans os like linux you would be fine06:20
DocScrutinizersopen like a upright haX0r :-D06:21
asjDocScrutinizer: it's probably just a where do you draw the line type of issue, it was released as a working phone with maemo5 and it also happended to be faily open.  If it was released as a here's a hackable phone do with it as you like, then that would have moved the line06:21
MacerTermanaN900: yeah. i can feel my testacles falling off06:22
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Macerbut meh :)06:22
Macerit's like trying to put a death dragon on a pink shirt06:22
DocScrutinizerasj: fair enough06:22
DocScrutinizerasj: otoh they could have connected rom-bootloader serial to the USB datalines, so you could load a program to flash a new NOLO via USB (in serial mode!) and wouldn't need a jig to contact the testpads under battery to do so06:25
DocScrutinizerafaik e.g. some android phones work that way06:25
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DocScrutinizerwould need just some half dozen of really cheap components, if at all06:27
asjDocScrutinizer: mmm, it's probably just how they are used to doing manufacturing.  Jigs and line setup is already in place, each jib programs, tests, etc, lasts for 10,000 devices (random number picked out of my butt) where as the USB connector and cable is good for 1000.  Dunno, random guess.06:27
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DocScrutinizerotoh they spend money for HW doing the nonsensical R&D mode kbd flickering06:27
asjheh, I can guarantee you it means something to probably 1 person06:28
DocScrutinizerasj: they can have USB on testpads as well06:28
DocScrutinizerso no change in manuf line06:29
DocScrutinizerI'd be not surprised they actually have06:29
asjDocScrutinizer: mmm, other option was, they never even thought about it06:29
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DocScrutinizerwell, I seem to have heard OMAP doesn't per default try to read in bootcode from serial, you need to pull a line to make it do that06:34
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DocScrutinizerthat'd explain why it didn't look like worth the effort06:34
DocScrutinizeron OM wikireader the SoC always tries to load a tiny chunk of code from serial, and excute, and falls back to booting from external rom only when that serial boot timeouts (in ms)06:36
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luke-jrFlashlight has an update? how?06:56
luke-jrI mean, it does what it's supposed to do...06:56
dotblankluke-jr, needs a strobe light function06:57
dotblankfriend had that on his droid..06:57
dotblankfelt there was no reason for the n900 not to have it06:57
luke-jr[22:17:18] <DocScrutinizer> you're not supposed to flash borked odd OS.06:57
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luke-jrDocScrutinizer: as BME is closed, that's saying you're not supposed to change N900 ;)06:58
luke-jrdotblank: was that added?06:58
dotblankthere are 3 apps I wish my n900 had06:58
dotblankstrobe light, hypnotoad, and a push to talk walkie talking with other phones06:58
luke-jrnot that I can tell...06:58
luke-jrdotblank: so implement them06:59
dotblankluke-jr, I might :)06:59
asjdotblank: of all things, a strobe light and hynotoad are easy06:59
DocScrutinizerluke-jr: basically your last post to me is correct06:59
dotblankasj, My thoughts exactly..06:59
dotblankhow hard would be to write an extension to xmpp and jabber?07:00
DocScrutinizerdotblank: how'd you implemet PTT? Over WLAN?07:00
dotblankand make it send audio packets07:00
dotblankDocScrutinizer, over 3g07:00
asjdotblank: you like an old Nextel customer or something?07:00
dotblankmy friend has an app that does it over 3g on his droid07:00
DocScrutinizerhmm, k07:01
dotblankthe point is that its easy07:01
DocScrutinizersounds like voip with aitomatic call accept07:01
asjdon't stream it live, store it then xfer it "reliably", limit to 30 seconds or somethign...?07:01
dotblankmy friends no absolutely nothing about phones and they can use a PTT feature on a droid07:02
dotblankThere is delay07:02
dotblankso I assumed thats what it did07:02
DocScrutinizersounds weird and useless07:02
asjDocScrutinizer: nextel built a whole company around it07:02
dotblankI think writing a mobile walkie talkie extension to jabber would work07:02
dotblankand make a custom app the same way the "file transfer app" works07:03
DocScrutinizerbuffering 30s before sending the whole block will create a mostly useless app07:04
dotblank30s is too long07:04
dotblankthe audio segments are short like "where are you"07:04
DocScrutinizereven 10s is too long07:05
dotblankand they can be highly compressed07:05
dotblankdon't buffer at all07:05
dotblankdon't stream07:05
dotblankrecord packet encode and upload07:05
DocScrutinizerwhat's the diff to 'stream' then?07:05
DocScrutinizerstream does exactly that07:06
asjDocScrutinizer: nah I don't think it's a huge deal to store and forward, it's not like you're in the same room and kinda like sms/im/irc latency, which is fine some things07:06
dotblankstream would be while talking encode on the fly and upload on the fly while the other phone decodes on the fly07:06
asjdotblank: that's called streaming07:06
dotblankasj, my point exactly07:06
dotblankasj, store and forward isnt really streaming07:07
DocScrutinizerand what is it you're doing differently?07:07
dotblankdo store and forward instead of streaming07:07
* asj is confused07:07
DocScrutinizernonsense. RTP is buffering (==storing) packets, encodes them and forwards them07:07
dotblankthe differance is very slight07:08
dotblankit wouldn't be RTP07:08
dotblankwell I guess it would but not real time07:08
DocScrutinizerwhat for??07:08
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DocScrutinizerto differentiate?07:08
DocScrutinizerunique feature, we got delay07:09
dotblankit would like a text message but with audio07:09
dotblankbut transported over xmpp07:09
dotblankyea but it would I believe perform better on unreliable networks07:09
dotblankI'd rather it get delayed then be choppy07:09
dotblankalso for a proof of concept it would be easier to get it started withouyt buffering07:10
DocScrutinizeruhuh, so you actually want to buffer a whole 30s package?07:10
asjone of the problems with voip is jitter and lost packaets, would be useful to have short audio clips that actually worked07:10
DocScrutinizerpossibly even longer07:10
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dotblankasj, exactly.. delay isn't an issue for a walkie talkie cell phone app wich means we can avoid jitter and lost packets07:11
dotblankwell not lost packets but if its over tcp it would send all the audio07:11
dotblankI don't care if it has to retransmit the entire message as long as it gets sent eventually07:12
DocScrutinizerasj: you got exactly same problem with every media transfer. You're just sugesting here to increase blocksize to virtually infinite, so you don't get jitter by definition. Still it's no difference to RTP07:12
dotblankRTP usually runs on udp right?07:13
luke-jrDocScrutinizer: so Nokia wants to use "you can change it!" as a selling point, but really don't want you to change it07:13
DocScrutinizerRTP could work with 2s frames instead of 20ms frames07:13
dotblankDocScrutinizer, that would work better07:13
DocScrutinizerRTP can run over TCP as well07:13
DocScrutinizertwinkle has TCP-VoIP07:13
asjDocScrutinizer: I guess I care less about the method of transfer, and more the idea of user discovery and accetable audio07:14
dotblankDocScrutinizer, but I would perfer over a network that changes and could be vast in distance and dynamic to send the entire message at once with error checking and retransmission07:14
* luke-jr ponders just recording until key up, then transmitting the whole thing07:14
luke-jrasj: isn't method of transfer relevant to compatibility with normal phones?07:14
dotblankI think RTP would be too complex in a environment too dynamic and unreliable07:15
dotblankI think it would be safer to do as luke-jr says07:15
DocScrutinizerdotblank: when sending whole msg you get no PTT but a weird audio attachment mail app07:15
dotblankDocScrutinizer, yes but easy and its still push to talk with delay07:15
DocScrutinizerPTT is meant to be almost realtime, with maybe a short delay of max 4s07:16
dotblankDocScrutinizer, not too sure about that07:16
asjluke-jr: you mean non-n900? that depends if there's anything existing you could plug into. If the driod app is popular then do that, assuming verzion doesn't have it locked up tighter than a catholic preist around small children07:16
dotblankbut delay couyld be about 4s07:16
dotblankif the clip is 2 seconds long07:16
dotblank4s after end of recording might be possible07:16
dotblankDocScrutinizer, well jeez your tough07:17
DocScrutinizeryou can't dialog, so you could as well talk to your partner's voicebox instead07:17
asjDocScrutinizer: im must be worthless too ;)07:17
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dotblankDocScrutinizer, yea but thats a hassle07:18
dotblankIm talking ease of use07:18
dotblankwho is going to check thier vbox every 5 mins?07:18
dotblankand go through menus07:18
dotblankIm just saying a droid app does this.. works well and is very usable07:19
dotblankIm just sad there isn't a n900 clone..07:19
DocScrutinizerease of use means you don't get collisions which will happen inevitably when far end is supposed to wait 60s if maybe you answer a long monolog. They for sure will press button again and send a "what now? answer!" and you're in a mess07:19
DocScrutinizeras this can't be played back while you record07:19
* cheriff always thought PTT was just the marketing name for "streamlined method of recording an audio clip, attaching to an MMS and sending"07:20
dotblankok so whats more important? speed or reliability is what it boils down to.. you could also get "I didn't understand that go again?"07:20
DocScrutinizerthen after you send out that monolog, you get all the stored up msgs from far end which date back07:20
dotblankmaybe send a record packet to let the user know in realtime hes recording a message and its on its way07:20
DocScrutinizerwon't fly. Usability research on such systems showed users can not cope with delays >4s07:21
dotblanksee give status and the issue is resolved07:21
dotblankDocScrutinizer, if they need less then 4s they should call each other07:21
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dotblankDocScrutinizer, maybe offer both.. an option for RT or Reliability07:22
DocScrutinizerdotblank: yes, PTT is a simplex realtime dialog, while you are talking about MMS07:22
dotblankDocScrutinizer, yes its really a mms in a nutshell.. I just want to make it easier and run over jabber/xmpp07:23
dotblankIt shouldn't be that hard to make07:23
dotblankthats an example07:25
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iliusis there any binary package microemulator for N900?07:49
iliusor i have to compile myself?07:49
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luke-jrilius: wtf does that mean?07:56
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iliusluke-jr: what is wtf? i dont know about it!07:56
RST38hHe wants MIDP07:56
RST38hilius: There is some.07:57
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slonopotamusmaemo bug jar now has curves :) spent several seconds trying to understand wtf happenned to my rss reader07:59
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StskeepsDocScrutinizer: the fact they removed 'charging' screen from fremantle was stupid08:08
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StskeepsDocScrutinizer: many people think their n900's are dead as you can't distinguish at times between typical startup or charging08:08
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slonopotamusthe fact that it doesn't boot to desktop if was turned off and then was plugged into charger is stupid.08:11
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slonopotamusand startup sound (unless it is followed by first-boot-wizard) is stupid too.08:14
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iliusdownload link is currepted
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iliusRST38h: i can't find any!08:21
iliusRST38h: and that does not exist in my application manager08:21
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slonopotamusilius: did you add extras-testing repo? :)08:22
iliusslonopotamus: no08:23
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iliussouce.list.d seems unfamiliar! :-D08:27
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TermanaN900 luke-jr (~luke-jr@2002:62b3:1d4c:0:20e:a6ff:fec4:4e5d)08:51
luke-jrTermanaN900: ?08:52
TermanaN900wtf is this ipv6 shit. MUTANY I TELL YA08:52
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luke-jrTermanaN900: I've been IPv6 for years now09:05
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Duckbootluke-jr: You've been on 6to4 for years.09:21
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luke-jrDuckboot: still am09:35
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iliusi added extras-testing repo, but still the is no package microemulator!09:52
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dotblankI wonder if programming an interactive serial terminal on an arduino board that displays a series of questions that when answered correctly displays my secret gpg key and kept in a safe deposit box overkill?10:09
FauxFauxPhysical access etc.10:10
Stskeepsdepends on if you consider your data valuable after your death10:10
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dotblankStskeeps, hmm good point better encrypt the memory on the board and decode it at runtime with a key generated from sha1 of all the answers10:11
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jacekowskidotblank: it wouldn't be very safe10:16
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jacekowskidotblank: anybody with bit of a time can suck that program out of avr10:17
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luke-jrreplace the questions with a raw 30 digit number10:18
luke-jrand memorize that number10:18
jacekowskisaying that avr's are still very secure devices10:18
jacekowskifuses buried under 2 metal layers10:18
jacekowskiin middle of flash10:18
FauxFauxActually, yeah, you could just cryptinate the stuff and the questions can generate the key, up to some obscene length.10:19
jacekowskiand uv is not going to work because ereased fuses mean locked device10:19
luke-jractually, 30 digit number is only like 33 bits :|10:19
* RST38h yawns10:19
jacekowskibut if somebody would have like FIB10:19
jacekowskithen he can suck key out in less than couple minutes10:20
luke-jrjust have it voice locked10:21
luke-jrthen you have an excuse to not work when you're sick10:21
luke-jr"my voice doesn't match!"10:21
luke-jrcould always have it hash your brainwaves too10:22
FauxFauxOr hash your penis, showing you varoius bits of porn.  Like to see that work under duress.10:23
FauxFauxI'm not sure I'd like to see any device capable of hashing penises.10:24
dotblanklook just make it computer realted questions10:27
dotblankno one will be able to answer them10:27
dotblankWhat was the name of the c++ class you used to overcome auto-rotation issues10:28
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jacekowskiSpeedEvil: it's not 1.810:34
jacekowskiSpeedEvil: it's more like 2.6V10:34
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jacekowskii was thinking about remote wipe for maemo10:57
jacekowskion bootloader level10:58
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jacekowskidoes anybody have a link to wayfinder download?11:25
jacekowskithat nav software for n8x011:25
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cheriffhi again, if i'm reading correctly, flasher-3.5 allows you to say load a kernel image and than boot it directly from memory by specifying -l -b instead of -f -R .. Is that correct?11:35
Stskeepswhat are you hoping to do?11:35
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makulkarI need to convert UYVY format to RGB for camera buffer. What is the hardware solution for conversion? as software conversion kills CPU?11:36
cheriffwell i was looking at the u-boot sources, and was going to use that to test progressive builds without constantly flashing .. but then i just realised this allows me to do that without needing to port uboot, so moot discussion :)11:37
Stskeepscheriff: ah, yeah11:37
Stskeepsprogressive builds of?11:37
ssvbmakulkar: gstreamer should have NEON optimizations for that11:39
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ssvbwhat kind of software conversion are you using now?11:39
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cheriffStskeeps: at first u-boot, and then a microkernel i have working on the beagleboard  (and on n900 but via a *really* gross hack where a custom linux .ko hopes to find enough high contiguous physmem to load from mmc and then jump)11:40
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cheriffbut futzing with the mmc each cycle, and my mistrust in 'using maemo as a bootloader' scheme i was looking into alternatives :)11:40
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makulkarssvb, written a own logic to convert to RGB11:41
makulkarssvb, googled rather11:41
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jacekowskiwhere i can find
Stskeepscheriff: if you can make your kernel boot as a 'zimage' format, that's probably easier11:41
cheriffyeah. and isnt zImage just self-extracting elf? (ie the gzip'dness of it should be optional, other than size constraints)11:42
Stskeepscan't recall specifics but i don't think you're far off11:42
makulkarssvb, can you give some link on NEON? I couldnt find any :(11:43
jacekowskimakulkar: google11:43
cheriffeither way, shouldn't bee too tough to sort out. Thanks for the hearening tips on flasher!!11:43
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makulkarjacekowski, my bad its arm! thanks!11:44
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ssvbmakulkar: though it may have a bit different conversion optimized and not exactly the one you need11:46
ssvbmakulkar: look in 'debian/patches' directory11:46
makulkarssvb, great stuff! will check now. thanks11:47
makulkarssvb, its still CPU solution isnt it?11:50
ssvbmakulkar: yes, but you are memory bandwidth limited anyway11:50
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tybolltanyone got cfdisk working?11:58
tybolltor even regular fdisk?11:58
tybolltwhat package is fdisk part of? Should be diskutils some sorta?11:59
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jacekowskiis there any generic util for linux/arm/maemo to read gpio state on omap?12:09
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jacekowskiUART boot: UART3 is the only possible UART from which boot can be12:15
jacekowskithat kinda sucks12:15
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jacekowskihmm, usb boot support12:20
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hajanyone here tried the mycontacts-widget? and if so.. Do you like it?13:27
hajit could be a reason to mod to 5 workspaces ;)13:27
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alteregoJust bought that OpenGL ES 2.0 Programming Guide book, :)13:34
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Viliny_on_N900hello :)13:39
Viliny_on_N900its now been a while since i last came here. has there been any reports of n900 failing due to overclocking yet?13:40
alteregoViliny_on_N900: I heard of one, but I don't know.13:40
alteregoHeh, cool.13:40
Stskeepsyes, someone got lcd glass into their face13:40
Viliny_on_N900liar :D13:41
jacekowskiStskeeps: do you have spare n900?13:41
Stskeepsjacekowski: no13:41
alteregoCan I get a set of GLES2 headers for ubuntu 10.04 to dos mobile dev on a computer?13:41
Stskeepsjacekowski: i do intend to buy one13:41
jacekowskii want to test something with bootloader13:41
Viliny_on_N900i stopped using the oc kernel with the öatest13:41
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Viliny_on_N900latest update13:42
mirfas long as you're not letting it overheat then failure is not somethign I'd worry about13:42
jacekowskimirf: read the datasheet13:42
jacekowskimirf: just running it at higher frequency makes it life shorter13:42
Viliny_on_N900people here were so determined that oc:ing was baaad13:42
Viliny_on_N900so i went ahead and stopped doing it. since i only have extensive experience with x8613:43
mirfOK but isn't it underclocked at stock settings13:43
Viliny_on_N900just curious if there were reported cases of damaged units now that some time has passed13:43
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Viliny_on_N900not at mas load no... 600mhz and the specs is 600mhz for this particular cpu... right?13:44
alteregomirf: no it's not underclocked, it's clocked at exactly what TI have said it should run at.13:44
Viliny_on_N900max load*13:44
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mirfI see13:45
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Viliny_on_N900there is a 1000mhz variant thats almost the same i think... source of confusion for people thinking it's a 1ghz running at 0,613:46
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Viliny_on_N900wonder how big of a price diff the faster one would have made.13:46
Viliny_on_N900oh well. i fine with the speed now that 1,2 is out.13:47
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jacekowskiyou would need bigger battery for 1GHz one13:52
jacekowskibecause that small one in n900 would be just sucked out in hour or 213:53
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hajvillager: I didn't hear of any..14:04
hajoh, he left :)14:04
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* haj is still running OC'ed with no problems... 1GHz max freq the last 2 weeks.14:05
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hajI can't make that hack to use more than 4 home views work.. it just doesn't do anything14:05
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kerioit's not just about price14:06
kerioi don't think that the 1ghz version is that much pricier than the .6 one14:07
Stskeepsyou're assuming it existed at the time14:07
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X-FadeHarware design is probably close to 2 years old by now.14:12
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lcukjacekowski, considering a stock device - if it ran at 600mhz continuously then the battery would drain, but the cpu throttles itself anyway14:15
lcukso not even considering overclocking, the only reason a battery should drain quicker is with a runaway process14:16
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hajkerio: I don't think they are much different... the 6. and the 114:17
hajbut thats speculation.. I don't know anything about i.. :)14:17
lcukX-Fade, \o14:18
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marcus__Heya guys, could anybody tell me how to patch the python script described in the wiki?
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marcus__Running non-debian linux, so I need to patch14:27
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marcus__  File "./", line 232914:45
marcus__    summary += "<b>Packages to install: </b>%s<br><br>" % \14:45
marcus__    ^14:45
marcus__IndentationError: unexpected indent14:45
marcus__Anyone know the problem?14:45
smharthis page should be updated for maemo5 1.2: it will be very valuable14:49
alteregoteeheehee, finally got texture mapping sorted in GLES2 :)14:50
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alteregoBook was a good idea.14:50
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smharspecially updating it to qt14:56
DocScrutinizer(<jacekowski> SpeedEvil: it's more like 2.6V) PLEASE check again, CAREFULLY14:56
DocScrutinizer2V6 is completely odd14:56
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DocScrutinizerall IO is on 1V8, and we occasionally see V_IO3.314:57
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DocScrutinizerjacekowski: sure you used GND testpad?14:58
Macerosx is a pain14:59
DocScrutinizeryeah eso 10.3 on N90014:59
DocScrutinizeryou know the video15:00
cehtehstrange .. again this weird led pattern15:00
Macerweird led pattern?15:01
MohammadAG51red on/off?15:01
Macermaybe it is trying to send you a msg from outer space in morris code15:01
DocScrutinizerplease describe more detail15:01
keriomorris code? wtf?15:01
cehtehMohammadAG51: white full bright, fading to 75%, rinse repeat15:02
cehtehsome strange bug15:02
Macersomewhere on the international space station a russian cosmonaut is dying trying his last idea out to be saved15:02
cehtehi dont have such a pattern in my mce.ini15:02
MohammadAG51pelota widget leftovers?15:02
MohammadAG51DocScrutinizer, he uses it as a washer apparently15:02
Duckbootcehteh: You have been infected. There is no cure.15:02
Macerand you are ignoring the call for help15:02
cehtehDocScrutinizer: btw.. lookink at the clock on the ppc boot .. hehe15:02
DocScrutinizerroundabout 3h15:03
DocScrutinizeror sth15:03
Wolfiewhee, the maemo bug jar reports just got better with those graphs15:03
Wolfie...but how, exactly, should those graphs be read?15:03
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Wolfiei guess horizontal is time, and vertical is amount, but what's at the bottom, and what's the top?15:04
cehtehand 'F12 enables mouse' .. haha15:04
Wolfieand what is the timeframe?15:04
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* DocScrutinizer wonders who's will marone? Needs a big hug, as it seems nobody ever is testing a package15:06
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DocScrutinizercehteh: check if mce is running at all15:11
DocScrutinizercehteh: enable another pattern via dbus cmd to mce, then disable it and see if the faulty pattern returns15:12
DocScrutinizer(which would mean it's actually managed by mce and the pattern stack of mce)15:12
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DocScrutinizercehteh: and what'S meaning of 'rinse'? is it a typo of 'rise'?15:14
SpeedEvil"lather, rinse, repeat"15:14
SpeedEvilIt's the instructions on many bottles of shampoo.15:14
DocScrutinizerthough always thought the repeat part is pretty useless - except for those selling the shampoo15:16
DocScrutinizerwhite full bright, fading to 75%, rinse repeat15:16
DocScrutinizersounds weird though15:17
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smharis it possible to use the terminal -command line- to export the contacts addresses?15:18
DocScrutinizerI'd prefer a proper pattern for mce, exactly mimicking the weird pattern15:18
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alteregoHrm, so I can manually load textures using Qt, but the Qt bindTexture function doesn't work for me :/15:19
DocScrutinizersmhar: seems *possible*, but only with program that doesn't exist on N900 by default15:19
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smhardocscrutinizer, which one?15:20
DocScrutinizerno idea15:20
DocScrutinizeryet to write15:20
DocScrutinizerneeds to use contacts lib and access the database to print out contacts to commandline. Don't know of existing such program15:21
smhardocscrutinizer, do you mean another contacts program? or another program to read stock contacts program?15:21
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krakansmhar: I believe the contacts are stored in a Berkeley DB file; so it isn't too difficult to access them.15:22
DocScrutinizerfrom cmdline? how?15:22
krakanI have a script at home that does that ... let's see if i remember ...15:23
DocScrutinizerfound no berkleyDB analogon to sqlite15:23
DocScrutinizerkrakan: *much* appreciated15:24
alteregoFinally managed to load a texture, but QGLWidget::bindTexture still isn't working for me :/15:24
krakanhm, it's a perl script15:24
smharkrakan,  me too:-)15:24
DocScrutinizerkrakan: nevertheless, I'll buy it15:25
DocScrutinizereven when it's perl15:25
viszuse DB_File;15:25
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krakanI don't remember which perl module I'm using and I'm not doing it on the N900 but on my Debian laptop. DB_File sound familiar though.15:27
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krakanvisz: does that work on the N900?15:28
viszno idea15:28
PolarFoxWhere is my LCARS theme for N900? Why I has none? :)15:29
viszalso: communicator ring tone15:30
viszand tricorder sounds for sms etc15:30
PolarFoxAnd a transporter, I hate driving.15:30
PolarFoxOr at least I would like transporter more...15:31
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viszFile: .osso-abook/db15:32
viszFormat: berkley database15:32
viszContents: address book vcard data.15:32
DocScrutinizervisz: startrek communicator sound on sliding kbd open :-D15:35
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DocScrutinizerand per-contact ringtones in friggin .osso-abook/db15:36
DocScrutinizerif it wasn't for friggin libabook I'd probably already implemented it15:36
DocScrutinizeri want FSO on maemo :`(15:37
DuckbootDocScrutinizer: Startrek Communicator on slide open kbd.... That would be awesome, and annoying at the same time.15:37
DocScrutinizeryeah, you're so right dude. I know what you're talking of - i got it15:38
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DocScrutinizerworst thing is play-sound doesn't honor volume setting or any profile15:39
DuckbootEven more awesome and annoying15:39
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DocScrutinizerand when I ask "how would I plyback a wav with same volume like ringtone is right that moment?" I never get any pointer15:40
viszi think there is an app to play a sound when opening the keyboard15:40
DocScrutinizern900 audio concept is a noncept, undocumented and weird15:41
DocScrutinizervisz: that app is called dbus scripts15:41
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DocScrutinizerthough I know here's something more specialized15:41
viszNokia N900 LockDaemon "App" Plays audio file when you slide keyboard15:41
DocScrutinizerdoes it blend? err level the volume?15:43
DocScrutinizerand shut up on silent profile15:43
PolarFoxAnd other media players have to look like fmradio to be heard if silent profile is on?15:43
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DocScrutinizerFSCKNG undocumented policy enforcer engine in PA15:44
DocScrutinizerno config interface, no GUI to set up per app policies, no.... nuttin15:45
visz  lockdaemon: Depends: libqt4-maemo5-phonon but it is not installable15:45
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DocScrutinizerlet's put it that way: audio on linux is screwed and always has been, and introducing PA didn't exactly help on that. But on smartphones running linux it's madness at its best15:48
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Macerare there any scanners that can scan as pdf and store them on a micro sd all on their own?15:52
* DocScrutinizer urges developers of pulseaudio for a mass duell next noon15:53
DocScrutinizerweapon: javelins15:53
DocScrutinizerand railguns15:53
kerioDocScrutinizer: are you proficient in any type of barehanded fighting, or combat with one or more weapons, including both firearms and knives and alike?15:53
kerioi need to know because i'm taking bets15:53
* SpeedEvil gets his railgun.
DocScrutinizerI'm mad. So mad at PA I simply can not lose that fight15:54
MohammadAG51Railguns ftw15:54
keriook, PA developers are in for 1.80:115:55
MohammadAG51somehow i feel DocScrutinizer has been at the army15:55
DocScrutinizerI have my own army :-P15:55
DocScrutinizerwe are BORG, resistance is futile!15:56
kerioSpeedEvil: much better railgun:
hajsadly in Denmark most things funny are illegal.. including bicycles with no brakes, railguns, and having your own army...15:57
hajit's even illigal to own a tank.15:57
haj(even if it can't shoot)15:57
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MohammadAG51you can't have a gun where i live15:57
PolarFoxhaj: what about field artillery?15:57
hajPolarFox: uhm.. I guess thats a no-no as well15:58
keriohaj: we need to write a working n900nuke15:58
PolarFoxI've seen some nice artillery pieces in one backyard in Pori, Finland.. :)15:58
hajPolarFox: you need permission to own those small canons they use at parties ;)15:58
hajsalute canon I guess they call them15:58
PolarFoxhaj: And they are metal pipes with wheels...15:59
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GAN900As a random aside: Inception is excellent.15:59
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MohammadAG51GAN900, it's awesome! Seen it on saturday16:00
MohammadAG51i'd watch it again :D16:00
crashanddieGAN900: you're awesome too, duntwori16:00
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hajPolarFox: Because of stupid people making laws it has recently been outlawed walking on the street with a knife in your pocket, or having a knife in your car, or your bag... So I can't have a Leatherman16:00
hajPolarFox: it's so stupid16:00
GAN900Although it's rather rushed and lacking character development for it.16:00
GAN900haj, where?16:00
hajGAN900: Denmark16:00
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crashanddiehaj: why do you need a knife on you?16:00
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hajcrashanddie: I'd like a multitool16:01
MohammadAG51to melee of course16:01
hajcrashanddie: And the knife is useful16:01
hajMohammadAG51: that too ;)16:01
crashanddieMohammadAG51: don't you throw rocks at thanks?16:01
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MohammadAG51crashanddie, no, I throw knives now16:01
PolarFoxhaj: Scene from my homecity ;)16:01
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crashanddiewell, I'm guessing you throw rocks at "thanks" too, considering how many you're getting :P16:01
GAN900haj, ah, well, who's surprised. :P16:02
tybolltwhere the heck you been? :)16:02
PolarFoxhaj: What about fishing? In Denmark I have to fish without a knife? :)16:02
GAN900haj, come to Florida, we'll even let you carry a gun in your pocket. ;)16:02
tybolltcrashanddie: sub 600-700 EUR MTB, preferably hardtail, do recommend one :)16:02
hajPolarFox: You can be excused if you have a good reason... so camping, fishing and stuff is okay16:03
crashanddietybollt: same as mine?16:03
MohammadAG51GAN900, can I come? :)16:03
PolarFoxGAN900: Well, in finland 15 year old can get a permit for a shotgun..16:03
tybolltcrashanddie: you got pro gear... I'm a happy amateur :)16:03
PolarFoxhaj: Same here then ;)16:03
hajPolarFox: but you can't put your fishinggear in your car, and visit somebody and then go fish.. you need to go directly from your home to fish16:03
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hajPolarFox: A guy got 7 days jail for driving around with fishinggear that included a knife a few months ago.. ;)16:04
tybolltPolarFox: ? They changed that, didnät they?16:04
PolarFoxhaj: So I need my letherman for computer stuff, and I'm required to be ready to go to work when the phone rings... :)16:04
tybolltIIRC after those coupla school shootings16:04
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PolarFoxtybollt: No they didn't.. It's just harder.. You can still hunt when you are 15..16:04
hajtybollt: you can't have a knife because of school shootings?16:05
* PolarFox has shot with an assault rifle replica when he was 16... in a public firing range.16:05
* haj shot a canon when he was 16.. ;)16:05
PolarFoxwithout parental supervision.16:05
hajit was a small one though16:06
crashanddietybollt: you might be able to get a good kona kula in nice shape for 600-700 eur (second hand)16:06
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HtheBHow can I remove the RD mode without using the USB cable? :p16:06
hajPolarFox: actually what pisses me of most is that it's even illegal for kids to have a slingshot... thats just plain stupid16:06
luke-jrlast I checked, minors can't legally own anything anyway… ;)16:07
GAN900PolarFox, here you don't need a permit. :P16:07
HtheBcauz the usb port broke off :p16:07
crashanddietybollt: or go for the saracen pylon 8, I saw it a couple of times (new) on ebay for 400 quid16:07
GAN900luke-jr, shades of gray.16:07
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PolarFoxGAN900: It's funny that way.. ;)16:08
MohammadAGHtheB, R&D mode status is stored in cal afaik, jacekowski might know16:08
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crashanddietybollt: if you get it, change the tyres and rims (tyres that come with it are road/very heavy and shitty) and rims aren't brilliant either16:08
luke-jrI plan to teach my kids rifle shooting at age 1016:08
GAN900And, no, MohammadAG, we only extend invitation to people with cool nicks. :P16:08
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HtheBlol, disconnected16:09
GAN900luke-jr, good plan, just make sure you start with a .22. *g*16:10
crashanddietybollt: then you can throw in a rockshox reba for about 300 quid, amazing fork (take the race version if you can)16:10
luke-jrGAN900: ofc16:10
GAN900Anybody see the Engadget post on MeeGo today?16:10
crashanddieGAN900: you16:10
MohammadAGseen the title, cba to read it16:10
luke-jrGAN900: they'll also be learning Public Speaking, Trapping, Firearm Maintenance, Archery, Algebra, and Photography :P16:11
luke-jr(at least)16:11
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crashanddietybollt: that's my normal bike. I just fitted new rims (with power hub in front), new tyres, new seat, new pedals, new seatpost, changed the fingerbuzzers, cut the gear lever so that I could reverse right brake lever and gears, and that was it.16:12
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crashanddiethough, the orange colour is really a "STEAL ME" factor.16:13
* DocScrutinizer watches foolish Denmark people eat their steaks with a spoon16:13
crashanddieanyway, gotta run.16:13
luke-jrDocScrutinizer: lol what?16:13
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DocScrutinizerluke-jr: >>[2010-07-26 15:00:27] <haj> PolarFox: Because of stupid people making laws it has recently been outlawed walking on the street with a knife in your pocket...<<16:15
luke-jrany knife at all? O.o16:15
luke-jrI've literally had to do that for my own protection before actually16:16
luke-jrsome nut was using my open WiFi, and I gave him some rules if he didn't want me cutting him off… he basically threatened me16:16
* DocScrutinizer heard in Italy you get arrested for carrying a screwdriver with you16:17
MohammadAG51grrr, X crashed on my PC16:17
HtheBDo you know how I can remove the R&D mode without using the USB cable? :p16:17
MohammadAG51ask jacekowski16:17
luke-jrDocScrutinizer: but….. but……16:17
jacekowskii know16:17
luke-jrHtheB: I'm curious how you charge without using the USB cable16:18
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MohammadAG51luke-jr, connect the pins to a car battery16:18
luke-jrHtheB: to answer your question though, there should be some cal-tool or something on the tablet itself16:18
DocScrutinizerand I know that I don't know, but it's hard for sure, as there seems no standard tool for disabling R&D from userland16:18
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DuckbootMohammadAG51: Hehe - The mental picture of a dude carrying a car battery with him as a charger for his phone....16:19
luke-jrah, N900 cal-tool only reads16:19
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DocScrutinizerluke-jr: yep16:20
jacekowskiso you want to disable rd-mode16:20
DocScrutinizerI guess that's on purpose16:20
HtheB_yeah :)16:20
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HtheB_my usb broke off :p16:20
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DuckbootOnce you had the red pill - there is no going back...16:21
DocScrutinizerHtheB: maybe get it fixed then?16:21
jacekowskiHtheB: they will know that you had r&d mode enabled16:21
HtheBDocScrutinizer,  I want to send it back, :)16:21
jacekowskiHtheB: cal keeps that sort of info anyways16:21
luke-jrare there any negative effects of R&D mode on N900?16:21
TermanaI think someone developed a tools/script/something or rather that allowed writing to the appropriate space that cal-tool reads. Not recommended though16:21
Termanaluke-jr, flashing keyboard lights?16:21
jacekowskiluke-jr: power drain16:21
jacekowskiluke-jr: keyboard is constantly lit16:21
DocScrutinizerHtheB: hehe and now you're worried they'd otice your overclocking?16:21
jacekowskieven when closed16:22
HtheBit's ok, just if it s  not able to see while booting16:22
MohammadAG51unless you change the config file16:22
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HtheBjacekowski, how can I do this? :)16:22
DocScrutinizerjacekowski: I thought kbd has blinking mode when in R&D - that's hardly called lit, and it shouldn't be constantly on either16:23
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luke-jrjacekowski: aha, I thought my lighting was weird XD16:23
MohammadAG51DocScrutinizer, it stays on all the time, unless you change some file in /etc16:23
DocScrutinizernow that's weird16:24
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DocScrutinizerI'd really like to learn more about that particular file16:24
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MohammadAG51X-Fade, ping?16:27
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tybolltanyone around here using browser switchboard?16:28
tybolltI played around w/ changing to firefox - no go - so switched back to microb16:29
tybolltafter that microb had an average startup time of between 3 and 4 minutes16:29
tybollt(not a joke!)16:29
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MohammadAG51tybollt, haha, nice one16:30
MohammadAG51any other jokes?16:30
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* tybollt beats mohammad silly w/ frals16:33
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tybolltMohammadAG51: I don't suppose you're the maintainer of that pkg?16:34
MohammadAG51frals_armel.deb? nah16:34
jacekowskitybollt: that fast?16:34
* MohammadAG51 purges frals16:34
MohammadAG51oh the switchboard, no :P16:35
tybolltbtw uinstalling switchboard gets microb responsetime back to w/in the second16:35
tybolltreally confusing... :S16:35
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tybollthow'd you make a userland app that'd introduce a delay like that?16:36
* DocScrutinizer suspects microb preload gets messed up16:36
MohammadAG51most probably16:36
keriotybollt: the real question is, can you make a userland app with a negative delay, so everything can be launched in less time?16:36
tybolltDocScrutinizer: like it is not able to take advantage of it and so has to start it up from scratch every time using the switchboard?16:37
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DocScrutinizerthat's what I guess, yeah16:37
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tybolltfair enough, that'd make sense yes16:37
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tybolltkerio: Not sure - let's spend 2000+ manhours devising such a project! We'll start off by investigating how we can more efficiently divide by zero!16:39
* DocScrutinizer wonders how other apps relying on mircrob will perform in that situation. Break completely? also take 4 min? or just ignore the switchboard and act as usual?16:39
DocScrutinizerkerio: that's called preloading16:40
tybolltDocScrutinizer: Fwiw starting microb out of the you know - regular applist (top left corner and then the list) is instantaneous16:40
tybolltDocScrutinizer: it only seems to be the bookie widgets ona desktop16:41
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DocScrutinizerwhat's with d-bus calls to microb?16:42
tybolltreally no other swtichboard users around here16:42
tybolltDocScrutinizer: what'd use that? sms-app, huh?16:42
DocScrutinizerI heard messaging is one of those, yeah16:43
MohammadAG51what launches the preloaded apps?16:43
DocScrutinizertimeless should know16:43
* timeless_mbp looks up16:43
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StskeepsMohammadAG51: hildon desktop i believe16:43
DocScrutinizertimeless_mbp: what is relying on microb as support ?16:44
DocScrutinizerwhich apps?16:44
timeless_mbptutorial, maps, conversations16:44
* timeless_mbp ponders16:44
timeless_mbpi might be missing one or two16:44
MohammadAG51hmm, interesting, wanted to make the clock app reload, it had the line commented out16:44
DocScrutinizerno worries, we got 3 now16:44
MohammadAG51Stskeeps, ty16:44
tybollttimeless_mbp: did you try the switchboard?16:45
timeless_mbptybollt:  using the browser-ui as a sample process is a bad idea16:46
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timeless_mbpsince it has a bookmarks view designed to hide browser engine launch speed16:46
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timeless_mbpand no, i'm not insane16:46
timeless_mbpwhy would i install an app that's known to break the product i work on?16:46
DocScrutinizertybollt: dbus-send --system --type=method_call --dest="" --print-reply /com/nokia/osso_browser/request string:""16:47
MohammadAG51if only there was a way to keep the engine running16:47
toggles_wmore gas16:48
DocScrutinizerbenders last words before falling into his 30th drink16:48
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SpeedEvilit's valid but if you kill browser16:49
tybollttimeless_mbp: see. that's what I was fishing for "know to break"... you could've told me that right away ;)16:49
timeless_mbpi'm pretty sure there's a bug which says that16:50
timeless_mbpand i'm pretty sure i've mentioned it repeatedly here16:50
tybolltI'm pretty sure you just said I'm not paying attention :)16:50
tybolltfair enough, I've installed it now.16:50
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salman_is it possible to add fields to the contacts profile?16:52
DocScrutinizersalman_: no :-(16:52
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DocScrutinizerpretty mean16:53
timeless_mbps/mean/harsh/ ?16:53
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luke-jrpossible to get N900 to differentiate between "Missed call" and "picked up on another line"?16:54
tybolltI convinced my friend to get the N90016:54
DocScrutinizerthough mean is more the word I felt is right for it16:54
timeless_mbpluke-jr: i don't think so16:54
tybollt"It can do anything - it's Linux"16:54
lugkhastSo I've read about the N900 charger plug having too tight a hold on the micro-usb socket - is this also the case with the data cable?16:54
tybolltnow he's totally on my case about it not doing ringsignal per user out of the box, sigh :)16:54
DocScrutinizermeans as in stingy16:54
luke-jrtybollt: if you're going to convince someone, use the truth16:55
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salman_docscrutinizer , no fields, no groups, no specific tone per contact/group, I think it is time to do a full contacts replacement, something like 'the killer contacts application' :-)16:55
DocScrutinizer"mean" as in stingy16:55
DocScrutinizersalman_: ack16:55
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tybolltluke-jr: Awww :-)16:55
X-FadeThere is a ringtone per contact plugin for contacts.16:55
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luke-jrtybollt: just think of the potential disappointment when he finds out he *can't* do anything16:55
tybolltX-Fade: true, I know that16:55
tybolltluke-jr:  :) It can actually do a darn lot16:56
DocScrutinizerX-Fade: name?16:56
luke-jrtybollt: but not anything by far16:56
luke-jrtybollt: there are a lot of things it *could* do, but *can't* because it's closed16:56
GAN900It's CAPABLE of doing nearly anything16:56
tybolltja, gan++16:56
GAN900It's just a function of effort invested.16:56
luke-jrlike that 'differentiate between "Missed call" and "picked up on another line"' I just mentioned16:56
luke-jrGAN900: well, maybe you could rewrite the entire software stack, except for missing specs etc16:57
tybolltX-Fade: I tried installing it - was a big and fairly bloated widget... :-/16:57
X-Fadetybollt: Well the source is there ;)16:57
DocScrutinizerlugkhast: forget that. Do NOT mechanically modify any USB plugs etc. It works ok, just needs ~500...1000 rounds to settle16:58
luke-jrX-Fade: only bits and pieces16:58
DocScrutinizerX-Fade: thanks16:58
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X-FadeAnyway, a 20K package big an bloated? :)16:58
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tybolltX-Fade: I'm sure I'd spend time hacking on an app _I_ don't want ;)16:58
luke-jrX-Fade: not by Maemo standards16:58
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lugkhastDocScrutinizer: Thanks!16:59
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salman_are all the 'communications' between the contact application and the different subsystem documented in the form of api/dbus calls?17:01
mw22how do I install unzip on the n900?17:01
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timeless_mbpapt-get install unzip ?17:02
tybolltmw22: xterm ; sudo gainroot ; apt-get install <yourapp>17:02
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alteregoWhy don't we have:
Stskeepssecond guy who asks..17:04
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alteregoStskeeps: ?17:04
timeless_mbpalterego:  why haven't you ported it? :)17:04
mw22tybollt, thanks, it seems to work now (it didn't seem to work the first time)17:04
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alteregoIt's designed by TI for the OMAP35 :)17:05
alteregoPorting it shouldn't be required :P17:05
alteregoI'll give it a go :)17:05
DocScrutinizersalman_: osso-abook doesn't have a d-bus api :-S17:05
tybolltany nitdroid users around here`?17:06
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DocScrutinizersalman_:  libosso-abook17:06
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DocScrutinizersudo gainroot is for losers17:08
DocScrutinizerit's called root17:08
salman_docscrutinizer, so, if 'someone' designed a replacement address book application, with all the nice features like extra fields, groups, ring tune /contact/group, better search ...etc , how difficult it is to 'integrate' it with the rest of the system?17:08
luke-jrI just installed sshd and configured sudo from there17:08
X-FadeDocScrutinizer: Does this look better for you?
DocScrutinizersalman_: depends17:09
salman_docscrutinizer, ?17:09
DocScrutinizermaybe you can augment the berkley database table format, and libosso-abook would happily ignore the extra fields17:09
jacekowskiDocScrutinizer: it will probably fail miserably17:10
DocScrutinizerotoh to make the contacts UI app aware of extra fields means you have to rewrite it, as it's closed source17:10
MohammadAGdid zoutube get dumped?17:11
salman_docscrutinizer, I was talking about integrating a 'new' replacement address book application with the rest of N900 system, it could even use its own db, maybe sqllite17:11
DocScrutinizerjacekowski: I tought about abusing the 'comment' field for "X-My-Tag-ringtone: doodlidoo.wav"17:11
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DocScrutinizersalman_: there's a friggin lot of apps relying on original libosso-abook. You'd have to replace that with a API/ABI-compatible version using your new database17:12
MohammadAGyay line breaks fixed in the package instance pages17:13
MohammadAGty X-Fade17:13
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Venemohi guys17:13
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Venemohave you voted in the first N900 coding competition yet?17:13
alteregoHrm, I can build it, but it requires the TI graphics SDK17:14
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG51: yes, but <foo> still not escaped to &lt;foo&gt;17:14
alteregoSo I can't put it into extras ..17:14
alteregoUnless I distribute it as a binary I guess.17:14
tripzeroVenemo, coding competition?17:14
luke-jrVenemo: I looked, but didn't recognize almost any of the apps listd17:15
Venemotripzero: yes.17:15
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Venemoluke-jr: well, in this case, I can help17:15
Venemoluke-jr: Sticky Notes desperately needs your vote!17:15
luke-jrwhat's wrong with the offical note app?17:15
Venemotripzero: here are the details:
Venemoluke-jr: the official note app is not a desktop widget17:16
X-FadeDocScrutinizer: Hmm need to look at that part too.17:16
luke-jrVenemo: I see. Doesn't seem to matter to me17:16
salman_docscrutinizer, and those API/ABI are not documented/available?17:16
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Venemoluke-jr: Sticky Notes allows you to create multiple notes widgets on your desktop17:16
luke-jrin fact, I find that like my normal PC, I ignore the desktop entirely17:17
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Venemoluke-jr: if this is the case, then you don't really care what you vote on, don't you?17:18
luke-jrVenemo: I care about poll integrity, sorry ☺17:18
Venemoluke-jr: Sticky Notes will be grateful even if you don't use the desktop :P17:18
Venemoluke-jr: well, it seems that the authors of the other apps don't care about poll integrity as much as you17:19
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jacekowskiDocScrutinizer: why?17:21
jacekowskiDocScrutinizer: what are you trying to achieve?17:22
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MohammadAG51i hate how the N900 uses a software switch for the headset17:34
MiXu-How does the end user see that?17:35
VenemoMohammadAG51: laptops use software switches, too17:35
MohammadAG51mine uses a hardware switch17:35
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MohammadAG51MiXu-, my headset is kinda borked, the N900 detects it was plugged but doesn't route audio17:36
MohammadAG51[ 7233.611694] headphone (GPIO 177) is now connected17:36
tybolltMohammadAG51: the gods want you to use BT A2DP17:36
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kerioMohammadAG51: it's awesome instead17:36
kerioyou have two audio outputs17:36
tybolltbtw you auiophiles out there.. is cabled audio better than A2DP?17:36
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MohammadAG51tybollt, Nokia says the headsets are too expensive to buy, so they don't have them here in Jordan17:37
MohammadAG51retarded, I know17:37
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MiXu-MohammadAG51: I see17:37
tripzerotybollt, i think a2dp is just fine17:37
tybolltMohammadAG51: I bought this silly usb dongle for missus and then she connects the headphones to the dongle...17:37
keriotybollt: i'd say it depends on the quality of the headset?17:37
jacekowskitybollt: depends on DAC in headset17:38
tripzerohowever, it's hard to find a headset that doesn't have noise issues with bt17:38
jacekowskitybollt: but most of them have cheap dac and badly designed circuit17:38
tybolltkerio / jacek: Say top notch A2DP gear... ?17:38
tybolltWhat I'm getting is is the compression of the audio lossfull to an extent where human ear can tell?17:38
jacekowskiok, a2dp allowas quality that's same as directly from phone17:39
kerioit depends on the relative quality of the d2a converters, i guess17:39
jacekowskibut even top notch ones are poorly designed17:39
keriountil they find a way to turn the digital audio in electric pulses ready for interpretation in the brain17:39
MohammadAG51replace the human brain with something more... useful17:40
tybolltkerio: ;P17:40
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tybolltMohammadAG51: this the one you want17:43
tybolltMohammadAG51: skip the hoodie or mossad will get interested ;)17:43
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alteregoSo, I have live images streaming from the N900 camera to an OpengL primitive now :)17:49
alteregoJust need to do the colour space conversion ..17:50
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DocScrutinizerjacekowski: trying to integrate per contact settings of all kinds into existing framework17:56
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DocScrutinizerof *ALL* kinds - like ringtone, reject-call-between-5:00-and-07:00, use-sip-for-dialing, whatnot17:58
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jacekowskicreate additional DB17:59
jacekowskiand link them17:59
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jacekowskithat's what RDBMS is for17:59
DocScrutinizernonsense, RDBMS is about additional TABLES in ONE database18:00
jacekowskinot only in one database18:00
jacekowskiother databases can reference to data in other databases18:00
DocScrutinizerdepends on the particular DBMS18:01
DocScrutinizerobviously for berkley that's no inherent property of the DBMS18:01
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jacekowskiare you sure it's BDB?18:02
jacekowskii was thinking it was using sqlite18:02
DocScrutinizeryou had to simulate by external process linking separate db18:02
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DocScrutinizerpeople that *should* know say t's berkley18:03
jacekowskicall log18:03
jacekowskiis in sqlite18:03
jacekowskii'm not sure about contacts18:03
jacekowskii never touched that part18:03
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jacekowskibut i would expect it to be the same18:04
jacekowskibut we saw lot of bad coding already18:04
jacekowskiDocScrutinizer: btw. have you seen that part about uart boot on n90018:04
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jacekowskiDocScrutinizer: that it only boots from uart318:04
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DocScrutinizerX-Fade: MUCH better :-D18:05
DocScrutinizerjacekowski: nope, no idea what u r talking about18:06
X-FadeDocScrutinizer: html escaping should be in place now too.18:06
jacekowskithat if omap would be configured to boot from uart318:06
jacekowskiit would only boot from uart318:06
DocScrutinizerX-Fade: think you can close bug #1098718:09
povbotBug  * <foo> rendering issue18:09
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DocScrutinizerjacekowski: yep, that's what I mentioned above. So probably one of the testpads when pulled to GND will switch the config to enable that18:10
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MohammadAG51X-Fade, ping?18:13
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abaxhi. i have problems with maemo opengles 2.0. i'm rendering a quad at the top right corner of the screen, like this: it looks like that if i use the vertex attribute number 018:16
abaxhowever, if i switch to vertex attribute number 3, it starts looking like this:
abaxif i use attribute number 1, it looks like this: so only the y coordinate is working and the x coordinate is not18:17
abaxwould you have any idea why it's doing that?18:17
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DocScrutinizer[2010-07-26 14:32:06] <visz> File: .osso-abook/db18:18
DocScrutinizer[2010-07-26 14:32:07] <visz> Format: berkley database18:18
DocScrutinizer[2010-07-26 14:32:07] <visz> Contents: address book vcard data.18:18
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ian_rPolarFox: "Where is my LCARS theme for N900? Why I has none?"  ...  i suspect this is the closest you'll get on the n900, at least for now.
ian_rthere's a sounds package also :D18:38
jacekowskiDocScrutinizer: thing is that all pins that configure boot sequence are gpio pins as well18:38
Stskeepsian_r: saw the various docs on meego theming yet btw? looks quite flexible18:38
DocScrutinizerjacekowski: so what?18:39
jacekowskiyou can easily test which pad is it18:39
DocScrutinizerjacekowski: aiui they are latched on chip-reset18:39
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ian_rstskeeps: haven't really checked it out yet.18:39
jacekowskiDocScrutinizer: only on power-on-reset18:39
jacekowskiand you can modify them afterwards18:39
jacekowskiin one of control registers18:40
jacekowskiand restart chi18:40
DocScrutinizerjacekowski: OMAP 35x Tech Ref manual D: chapter 11.x.x.x.x18:41
jacekowskimemory subsystem?18:41
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DocScrutinizer11.1.5.13 boot config, GPMC CS0 Default Configuration at IC Reset.18:42
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DocScrutinizerand +- a "few dozen" for context18:43
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DocScrutinizerTo ensure a correct external boot with a GPMC access from IC reset time on CS0, several external pins are sampled:18:44
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jacekowskiDocScrutinizer: 25.2.318:46
jacekowskiBoot Configuration18:46
jacekowskiThese seven pins are sampled and latched onto the CONTROL.CONTROL_STATUS register after POR.18:46
jacekowskiPOR - power on reset18:46
jacekowskiso control_status can be modified and then phone can be restarted via software18:48
DocScrutinizermhm, just came back with same in my copybuffer :-P18:48
DocScrutinizershall I paste as well ? :-D18:49
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jacekowskiyeah, don't be shy18:50
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jacekowskiit's useless for flashing dead device18:51
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DocScrutinizerI don't see the modifying bootconfig method by using the GPIO properties though18:52
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jacekowskibut if you can toggle level on that pin on demand18:53
jacekowskithen you can easily find which pads are these pins connected to18:53
harniravahi on my n900 sort-of works, I can ping it from my pc, see the chat service, but I can't ping computers in .local domain from n900, any idea where's the problem?18:53
jacekowskihmm, do you think that "I still have not received any e-mail from you, if you have any problems sending it to you can try as well."18:55
jacekowskiis rude?18:55
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DocScrutinizerjacekowski: yeah, that's brilliant. And so obvious I conclude my caffeine level is dangerously low :-)18:55
DocScrutinizerLP5523 ds18:56
jacekowskithey are ignornig me18:56
DocScrutinizerthat's why I ask if your Q was regarding that topic18:57
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jacekowskisomething else18:58
DocScrutinizerso I don't know if it's conceived as rude18:58
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luke-jrfigured out altitude!19:02
DocScrutinizerI had altitude of -900 once :-P19:02
luke-jrcan now decode all GPS data…19:02
luke-jreh, haven't tested negative altitudes :P19:02
* luke-jr releases GPL'd GPS decoder that only supports Tonal units…19:03
* luke-jr runs19:03
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DocScrutinizer~attack luke-jr19:03
* infobot grabs a pen, screams like she's possessed, and begins chasing luke-jr19:03
luke-jrseriously though, this altitude encoding is "WTF"19:04
luke-jrtell me, do you understand it even WITH my documentation? :p19:04
DangerMausanyone else having glitchy network access with the current version? like i have to tell it to get on the provider alot ?alot19:05
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luke-jrDangerMaus: yeah, but my provider doesn't support my region…19:06
luke-jrI kinda assumed that was it19:06
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DangerMausluke-jr it snags wifi great but then dont switch back too well19:07
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luke-jrnow the only things my GPS decoder is missing: "what data is valid" and sats19:08
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DocScrutinizerluke-jr: your notes on altitude seem rather clear though WTF. What's complete gibberish though, is the >> latitude / 360 * 256*256*256(*256?)<<19:09
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DocScrutinizerluke-jr: and AGPS data upload, of course (my GPS decoder is missing)19:11
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fluxis somebody planning to write a better location-daemon?19:17
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tripzeroflux, for maemo?19:19
tripzerocuz there are already several location-daemons that exist (ie gpsd, gypsy)19:20
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tripzerojust don't work on the n900 cuz of the gps hardware19:20
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fluxtripzero, I was just wondering the effort on reverse-engineering the protocol location-daemon reads19:21
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tripzerodon't know.19:21
tripzeroagps will be the tricky part /me thinks19:21
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luke-jrDocScrutinizer: basically, I'm not certain if the last octet of latitude/longitude is further resolution or something else19:34
luke-jrI have no way to even remotely verify that19:34
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luke-jrflux: location-daemon is proprietary; I am porting Gentoo19:35
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DrGrovGood evening guys19:36
fluxluke-jr, oh.. ok. good luck :).19:36
DrGrovI have managed to secure the phone I will use as 2nd phone to the N900.19:36
DrGrovI got the Nokia E52.... I am thrilled, it is my first Nokia E-series phone ;-)19:36
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DrGrovThe reason I tell is that I would like to know how to copy the N900 contacts to the SIM card?19:37
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DrGrovI have tried but it just does not seem to do it at all.19:37
DrGrovJust copy the other way, from phone to SIM card.19:37
DrGrovCan it be done, copying the Contacts to the SIM card or is it impossible??19:39
DrGrovAh, it does not seem to work.19:42
DrGrovShould I use Bluetooth on the E52 then and copy via Bluetooth or how should I copy the contacts??19:42
DrGrovAll help is appreciated19:42
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DrGrovHow does it work to import contacts via Bluetooth? Is it hard to do?19:46
BugBluefrom another nokia?19:48
BugBlueohw to..19:48
BugBlueyou can try the import at the E5219:48
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DrGrovBugBlue: that sounds like the easiest way. to import at the E52 instead.19:49
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DrGrovI hope that will become the easiest way. I really hate to lose any of my contacts.19:49
DrGrovNow I just do not know how to get the damn battery out and put back in.19:50
DrGrovDamn this!19:50
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DrGrovBugBlue: If I use Bluetooth to import the contacts at the E52 I can choose which contacts I want to import?19:58
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jacekowskitripzero: you don't have to worry about agps20:08
jacekowskitripzero: it's done by modem itself20:08
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jacekowskitripzero: independent from operating system20:08
SpeedEvilThat can't be true.20:09
tripzerojacekowski, so it's only control-plane agps?20:09
SpeedEvilAs the modem has no access to the internet.20:09
jacekowskimodem has access to the interne20:09
tripzeroSpeedEvil, +120:09
jacekowskii saw the code in the modem20:09
luke-jrjacekowski: does it? modem can use wifi?20:09
SpeedEvilOr usbnet?20:09
jacekowskii don't know20:09
jacekowskibut i saw the code for agps in modem firmware20:10
luke-jrjacekowski: fact is, my GPS code takes significantly longer if I don't have the location-daemon run first20:10
luke-jreven if I reboot after running location-daemon20:10
luke-jrmodem probably saves the AGPS data across the reboot20:10
luke-jrbut it *does* need the host at some point20:10
slonopotamusluke-jr is on duty today.20:11
luke-jrslonopotamus: I got altitude figured out20:11
jacekowskiwell, explain to me why i saw code for pulling data from nokia and couple other servers20:11
slonopotamusluke-jr: grats20:11
luke-jrjacekowski: maybe it does that over a private "owner has no data service, but there's this OOB data line anyway" in some circumstances?20:11
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luke-jr updated20:13
luke-jralong with the .c20:13
slonopotamusluke-jr: if you used autotools there, i hate you.20:14
luke-jrslonopotamus: ?20:14
luke-jrI used gcc gps.c -o gps -O220:15
jacekowskiluke-jr: well it has carrier specific addresses as well20:15
luke-jrslonopotamus: also, what else?20:15
jacekowskibut it doesn't look like it20:15
jacekowskii mean it's complete agps code20:15
luke-jrautotools works ok20:15
jacekowskiincluding pulling data from server + parsing it20:15
luke-jrjacekowski: do you actually have source? O.o20:15
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jacekowskibut unless there is something in one of the libs20:17
jacekowskithere is nothing agps related in location-daemon20:18
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alteregoIs "mdk" a maemo user?20:34
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alteregoI don't know if that's his alias here though20:35
Robot101alterego: maemo developer - he used to work at Nokia and is a subcontractor now I think20:35
DocScrutinizerlo Robot10120:35
Robot101UI toolkit & graphics stuff20:35
Robot101DocScrutinizer: ahoy20:35
tripzerojacekowski, it could be the "ofono" equal that gets the "a" data from the servers and than pushes it through the location-daemon to the gps device20:35
DocScrutinizerjust looking into ringtone-per-caller20:35
alteregoRobot101: I guess that figures :)20:35
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BugBlueDrGrov: no.. you can just import everything I guess20:36
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Robot101DocScrutinizer: barisione is at GUADEC this week with all of the GStreamer and Pulseaudio hackers in Collabora Multimedia :D20:37
Robot101DocScrutinizer: he should be able to make it faster20:37
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DocScrutinizerRobot101: wondering if the whole framework could use a few patches to make it more... universal?20:37
DrGrovBugBlue: Ok, I managed to get the information that the SIM card actually has the same information with phone numbers as the internal contacts. So it is all good.20:37
DocScrutinizerRobot101: like inheriting ringtone settings for contact by a reference to a group20:38
DrGrovhi DocScrutinizer20:38
DrGrovDocScrutinizer: I have to tell you that I got another similar adapter as the N900 now when I bought the E5220:39
DrGrovSo I have 2 adapters20:39
Robot101DocScrutinizer: there's no group UI for the abook - it could be kludged in (jesus the guys have been coming up with some mad stuff - libsharing plugin which monkey-patches Gtk to add a button that bypasses the libsharing API because it's bonghits)20:39
Robot101DocScrutinizer: but that's the first problem :D20:39
DocScrutinizerRobot101: or even generic "execute that program, with parameters <number> <contact-handle>..."20:39
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DrGrovDamn I must be an idiot20:41
DrGrovI do not understand how to remove the battery on the E5220:41
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DocScrutinizerRobot101: (faster) there were complaints?20:42
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DrGrovGod damn idiot E5220:42
Robot101DocScrutinizer: yeah, read the comments on his blog posts. lots of whining. it's too slow to set up the GStreamer pipeline and DSP decoders when the call comes through20:42
DrGrovIt really can not be this damn difficult to remove a freaking battery20:43
DocScrutinizerRobot101: just installed the app 10min ago, and added my first custom ringtone. No further tests so far20:43
Robot101DocScrutinizer: so the plan was to pre-convert them all to the same format like the built in ringtoned does, and pre-set up the GStreamer pipeline20:43
DocScrutinizerI'm unaware of the blog20:43
DocScrutinizerRobot101: we had same problem on Openmoko20:43
Robot101he even blogged to explain why it wasn't in the production images20:44
Robot101got flamed20:44
Robot101then blogged with the software20:44
Robot101linking to the previous20:44
Robot101and got flamed again saying it was slow and he sucked etc20:45
Robot101makes me wonder why we bother sometimes20:45
Stskeepsit's sometimes easier to be behind the wall20:45
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DocScrutinizerwell, 1) "it TRIES to integrate nicely" is about right :-P. Fsckng contacts app of course doesn't know how to show the custon ringtone property of a contact. Suggestion: superimpose some marker to avatar20:48
alteregoRobot101: I guess that figures :)20:48
DocScrutinizerRobot101: 2) how about making default ringtone in .locals/sounds/ a pipe and fill it with a process that just switches (or even generates) data on the fly?20:49
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DocScrutinizerthis way you'd be rid of setting up any gstreamer at all20:50
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DocScrutinizer(credits to dotblank[?] for the original idea)20:51
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GAN900Robot101, price of open.20:51
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DrGrovGod damn battery20:55
HtheB__damn usb port20:55
DrGrovThis will take the whole freaking day to remove20:55
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DrGrovAny one got any suggestions on how to remove the battery on the E52?20:58
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marcusSo... how do I take pictures with fcamera? :D21:00
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marcusnvm :D21:01
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DrGrovDocScrutinizer: you know how to remove such a PITA battery?21:02
DocScrutinizerRobot101: on a different consideration (while reading the blog): of course it's not possible to keep 500 rintones on NAND aka rootfs in .local/sounds/*.wav, to have then ready for playback quickly. but you might keep the first maybe 2s of all ringtones there, maybe even in reduced quality. Then playback that header sniplet while collecting the large chunks off slow eMMC / whatever. If you run out of decent data due to lagginess of mem21:03
DocScrutinizeraccess, fall back to default ringtone. All ntegrates nicely with the fifo/pipe idea21:03
DocScrutinizerDrGrov: dropping device from 120cm to wooden floor always helped for me :-P21:03
DocScrutinizerDrGrov: more seriously, I have no idea bout Exx phones21:04
DrGrovDocScrutinizer: ah yes, it helps :)21:04
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DrGrovI am getting increasingly annoyed about this freaking damn phone21:05
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DocScrutinizerRST38h: lol :-(21:08
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RST38hThe US government on Monday announced new rules making it officially legal for iPhone owners to 'jailbreak' their device and run unauthorized third-party applications, as well as the ability to unlock any cell phone for use on multiple carriers.21:23
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RST38hAm I correct to assume that AT&T's exclusive agreement with Apple has just ended? =)21:23
DrGrovCan anyone help me with the battery issue?21:24
DrGrovI am completely freaking lost21:24
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GAN900DrGrov, tap it on your palm?21:27
DrGrovGAN900: I have tried several times, it seems to be a problem to get it out. Seems too tight or something.21:28
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DrGrovIt is fixed, god damn fucking piece of major fucking engineering by Nokia!21:32
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logix2fucking flashing broke my n90021:33
logix2got black screen now21:33
logix2had to send it back to the goddamn service21:33
alteregoWhat's with all the f*cking swearing?21:33
luke-jrRST38h: why wouldn't it be legal?21:33
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DrGrovIf this fucking device makes me any more angry I will destory it with the closest thing I have21:34
microlithdo it21:34
luke-jrcould just mail it to someone else21:34
logix2lol i had some memory card problem with it first and it kept restarting21:34
logix2i was thinking on destroying it too21:35
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logix2throwing it out from my 5story flat21:35
RST38hluke-jr: Because a bunch of narrow minded fat gentlemen at the US Congress say so21:35
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luke-jrRST38h: when?21:35
RST38hluke-jr: IANAL. Google.21:35
luke-jrI thought that was all just "you'll piss off the carrier"21:35
RST38hNo, unfortunately.21:36
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RST38hSee "DMCA".21:36
DrGrovmicrolith: you want me to destroy it?21:36
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luke-jrRST38h: DMCA is about copyright, totally different issue21:37
logix2copytight what we dont care about21:38
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logix2us lead by a stupid nigger now thats a fail21:38
DrGrovNow the question is this SIM card holder...21:39
DrGrovHow on earth do I get that one opened?21:39
luke-jrwtf is location error 4 and why won't my GPS work? :/21:39
* RST38h shrugs: some people just can't see deeper than skin color21:39
luke-jrDrGrov: slide it21:39
RST38hDrGrov: Shift it with your finger21:39
RST38hIt will then open.21:39
DrGrovluke-jr: ok.21:39
DrGrovI will try21:39
RST38hIf it falls apart, do not go bonkers, reattach carefully21:39
DrGrovSorry guys, I am completely fucking lost today21:40
luke-jrbe careful, it comes off easily :P21:40
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DrGrovNo, does not work21:40
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luke-jrok, location error 4 = cannot run location-daemon21:42
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DocScrutinizerwhat's that? a cloud?21:43
tripzerorain is coming21:44
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DocScrutinizerRobot101: I'd have some comments to almost every of the posts on barisione's blog. But it seems incredibly cumbersome and inappropriate to paste lines of sourcecode etc as a comment to that blog. Is there a better way to discuss technical details with barisione?21:46
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fralshes in here atm, who knows if he actually reads anything thou!21:46
DocScrutinizerbarisione: ooh HI! :-)21:47
DocScrutinizerfrals: probably not, he's at GUADEC21:47
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DocScrutinizerI freakin wonder where from you get all those nice UTF-821:52
Stskeepsluke-jr's bored21:52
luke-jrthat was a smiley ☺21:52
luke-jrI setup my client to do substitutions :P21:53
DocScrutinizerthough this irc client knows to display them, I found no way to select any fancy stuff to insert21:53
DocScrutinizernotes are fine, smiley was not21:53
luke-jr★ ⚀ ⚁ ⚂ ⚃ ⚄ ⚅21:53
luke-jr☐ ☑ ☒21:53
* luke-jr ponders which others he has21:54
luke-jr☧ ♱ ☩ ♂ ♀21:54
wolf^nothing beats utf swastika :P21:55
luke-jrwolf^: don't get the poor folk in Germany in trouble21:55
luke-jrthey're not allowed to have those on their screen21:55
luke-jrmicrolith: what was that? I saw nothing21:55
microlithhmm, might be a subset of the JP input mode21:55
microlithI see only boxes for many of yours21:56
luke-jrI don't even see boxes for yours21:56
luke-jrmaybe your client isn't configured?21:56
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microlithnah, using mIRC 7 beta, which is fully UTF821:56
* luke-jr wouldn't trust mIRC anything21:57
microlithI see most of the others21:57
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ham5FAT: Filesystem error (dev sdd)22:02
ham5fat_free_clusters: deleting FAT entry beyond EOF22:02
ham5File system has been set read-only22:02
ham5whats the deal?22:03
ham5I have to write to it real fast when I plug it in it sets read only after like 10 seconds22:03
luke-jrthat sounds like your FAT filesystem is larger than its partition22:04
Duckbootluke-jr: That sounds interesting.22:04
ham5I didnt mess with its partition22:04
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ham5mise well be a windows os... reboot fixed it... up only 3 days too :(22:12
keriois there the BÖC logo in utf8?22:13
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mrklaw1has anyone ever exported their data from pyring?22:16
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TomaszDlbt, truck arrived yet? ;)22:46
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lbtDenise would have told me22:46
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alteregoHrm ..22:58
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slonopotamuslbt is on duty today.23:02
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ultrasparc-viiianyone have a good tutorial for python+Qt for me?23:08
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* ultrasparc-viii ordered a book already but it won't be here for two days23:08
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mortinithere's some off the pyqt wiki23:11
mortini <- first 2 links23:11
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ultrasparc-viiimortini: thanks!23:16
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mortiniultrasparc-viii: which book did you order?23:19
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mortinihow much of a programmer are you?23:20
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mortiniultrasparc-viii: plus:
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ultrasparc-viiimortini: I do a lot of coding... have some big apps under my belt in py, perl, php23:33
mortiniwell, i found that book a bit annoying/boring, so just poking through the documentation and other online resources is probably a good place to start23:34
mortinithe Qt documentation at nokia is pretty good, generally23:34
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ultrasparc-viiiok, I'll cancel that book.. if I can get by on the documentation then that should be fine. I've never used books too much - always found the docs to be enough23:38
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mortiniI'm not sure about that, i've used it here and there for some of the more complex things. some stuff is, for lack of brainpower, layered, so you need one base object with various child objects to make it work23:39
mortiniand sometimes the docs aren't entirely clear on how to make that work23:40
mortinibut,t hat's about all i've used that book for, heh.23:40
ultrasparc-viiiic, hopefully the book is good then because amazon won't let me cancel the shipment ;)23:40
mortinii much prefer reading other's source23:40
ultrasparc-viiiis there a version of QTdesigner available for OSX?23:41
mortinii dunno.23:41
ultrasparc-viiiever use it?23:41
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mortiniosx or qtdesigner?23:42
mortinii have generally used qtdesigner to do my ui's.23:42
ponyofdeathanyone know the app that i can use to modify the carrier's name at the top of the home screen?23:43
ultrasparc-viiiyeah qtdesigner23:43
ultrasparc-viiiponyofdeath: there's one on the downloads page23:43
ultrasparc-viiimortini: are you using qtD on win or linux?23:44
mortinii've used it on both23:45
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mortinimy laptop used tobe windows & i'd mount a smb share on a linux box with my source there. then i could easily test stuff on both windows & linux23:48
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ultrasparc-viiiah cool, they have a LGPL version of qtD for osx :)23:55
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