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| crashanddie | peb_: please deactivate your script | 00:18 |
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| zash | peb_: http://sackheads.org/~bnaylor/spew/away_msgs.html | 00:20 |
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| ultrasparc-viii | mortini: in qtD when I make a layout and then go to Form->view code it's all in C... is there a way to get the layout in python? Wondering how I'm going to use qtD for making pyQt layouts | 00:30 |
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| marcus | Anybody having trouble updating the mana world on n900? | 00:31 |
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| FireFly | Hm | 00:33 |
| FireFly | Is there any way other than rebooting, to get to the enter pin screen if you didn't enter pin code during the actual startup? | 00:34 |
| kerio | huh... open telephone | 00:35 |
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| FireFly | Oh | 00:36 |
| FireFly | Didn't think about that :p | 00:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer | FireFly: power button, switch on telephone mode | 00:36 |
| FireFly | Nice | 00:36 |
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| trem | nite all, sweet dreams | 00:38 |
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| DocScrutinizer | now is Qt (say a button) implemeted as a *.so, or is it statically linked or compiled in to the ELF? | 00:41 |
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| logix2 | does this ovimap suite predownload maps | 00:57 |
| logix2 | how the fuck does it come they dont have this for linux when maemo is linux | 00:58 |
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| MohammadAG51 | cause linux users are hardcore | 00:59 |
| * DocScrutinizer hands MohammadAG51 a large icecone (strawberry) for man-db-n900 | 00:59 | |
| MohammadAG51 | we use a magnetized pin to find north | 00:59 |
| * MohammadAG51 hands DocScrutinizer the beer he owes him | 01:00 | |
| chadi | no maps for lebanon :( | 01:00 |
| MohammadAG51 | or israel | 01:01 |
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| chadi | i was reading the forums, and noticed that they switched to new maps | 01:02 |
| chadi | lebanon was previously available, but when they upgraded, it's not anymore | 01:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer | mandb: Warnung: /opt/man/man1/locate.1.gz ist eine freihängende symbolische Verknüpfung | 01:03 |
| chadi | for now, I am using AGTL | 01:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | dangling symlink | 01:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | plus 100 more | 01:03 |
| MohammadAG51 | DocScrutinizer, ignore the shitload of errors | 01:03 |
| MohammadAG51 | warnings* | 01:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer | 100? thousands! | 01:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | man locate -> :-) | 01:05 |
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| MohammadAG51 | see? :D | 01:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | 2>/dev/null ? | 01:06 |
| MohammadAG51 | maybe | 01:07 |
| MohammadAG51 | but 0=/dev/zero | 01:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | 2>/tmp/delete_me_I_am_nonsense.log | 01:07 |
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| MohammadAG51 | OMG OMG OMG | 01:08 |
| MohammadAG51 | SpeedEvil, level pack 2 & 3 in the ovi store | 01:08 |
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| logix2 | try cat /dev/zero > /dev/sda | 01:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | AB? | 01:08 |
| MohammadAG51 | yeah | 01:09 |
| MohammadAG51 | €2 each | 01:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | logix2: try cat /dev/random >/dev/wetware/neocortex | 01:10 |
| alterego | 01:10 | |
| MohammadAG51 | wow | 01:11 |
| MohammadAG51 | so each level pack has 3x21 levels? | 01:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | I actually don't get the hype about AB. NumptyPhysix is much more fun | 01:12 |
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| MohammadAG51 | DocScrutinizer, ever played it? | 01:14 |
| * DocScrutinizer stares at blue flashing LED of N900, frowns and mumbles swearwords about stupid new "features" of xchat | 01:14 | |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG51: I tried some stages of first level. Found it rather boring | 01:15 |
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| MohammadAG51 | mine blinks green | 01:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | probably I'm too different to the standard human being | 01:15 |
| ieatlint | anyone here tried to implement the sharing dialogue api in qt? | 01:15 |
| MohammadAG51 | three arms? | 01:15 |
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| ieatlint | am wondering how stupidly impossible it is | 01:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer | only 3? | 01:16 |
| Ljrn900 | ... | 01:16 |
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| SpeedEvil | I've ***'d all stages in the first 3*21 stages. | 01:18 |
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| kerio | how do i use the radio chip to scan for a free frequency? | 01:23 |
| ShadowJK | heh | 01:27 |
| ShadowJK | which one? | 01:28 |
| MohammadAG51 | SpeedEvil, i'm continuing where i left it a month ago, stuck on 3-5 | 01:28 |
| SpeedEvil | kerio: read the page on category:n900 hardware | 01:28 |
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| Robot101 | DocScrutinizer: he's on irc here - or e-mail him, marco.barisione@collabora.co.uk - with patches if you wish :D | 01:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | Robot101: yeah I noticed that. Seems to be afk for this week though? I'll mail him I guess | 01:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | thanks | 01:54 |
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| TermanaN900 | good morning | 01:56 |
| Robot101 | DocScrutinizer: yeah he's at guadec this week | 01:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer | <UTG>morning TermanaN900 </UTG> | 01:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | errr UGT | 01:58 |
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| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG51: SpeedEvil: how many % of N900 owners are hardcore AB adicts? | 01:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | guess | 01:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer | i.e. how many downloads of level packs will OVI see? | 02:00 |
| MohammadAG51 | DocScrutinizer, 1, the rest will be pirated | 02:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | ROTFL | 02:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | gasp | 02:01 |
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| * ShadowJK has on more than one occasion tried to create an ovi account, but has so far not succeeded | 02:03 | |
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| * DocScrutinizer has tried to understand OVI basic concept and failed miserably | 02:03 | |
| MohammadAG51 | ovi's better on symbian tbh | 02:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | you bet | 02:03 |
| MohammadAG51 | i used it to backup calendar contacts and notes | 02:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I hoped to do this with N900... guess everybody is aware of the result by now | 02:05 |
| ShadowJK | Well it's relative.. doing anything at all on symbian is difficult, so when the Image gallery knows how to put it on ovi you rejoice at phone no longer holding your files hostage... | 02:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah, actualy oviu share is the only thing that somewhat works on maemo | 02:05 |
| MohammadAG51 | and the ovi store (/me laughs) | 02:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | not for me | 02:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | maybe becuase I was so stupid to visit it with desktop PC | 02:06 |
| MohammadAG51 | lol | 02:06 |
| MohammadAG51 | building a .sis is much harder than building a deb | 02:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | couldn't find any app to *buy*, even sygic was advertised "FREE" | 02:07 |
| ShadowJK | They don't have a working "No I'm not looking for apps for my eeepc, show me stuff for <x> instead"-option | 02:07 |
| ShadowJK | or atleast not last time i looked :P | 02:08 |
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| Justus | hi | 02:08 |
| Justus | is there something like a sygic support channel? | 02:08 |
| MohammadAG51 | not that we know of | 02:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | was so depressing an experiance last time, I'm not temped to give it a second try anytime soon | 02:08 |
| Justus | I have some questions concerning their mobile maps application before I buy it ;) | 02:08 |
| Justus | ok, I'll give it a shot here ;) | 02:08 |
| ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer, oh ovo never shows you everything, you get some random subset of what's available, and no "next page" button | 02:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer | nice | 02:09 |
| ShadowJK | Justus, I think the version in ovi is 7 day trial | 02:09 |
| Justus | I allready tried that | 02:09 |
| Justus | Is it possible to make the app tell me how far away the next turn is? | 02:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | pick today, never know if you'll find it tomorrow XP | 02:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | might work :-P | 02:09 |
| Justus | It allways told me to "turn left/right now" even when the turn was a few crossings away | 02:09 |
| Justus | sometimes the message was repeated and sometimes not, which lead to some interesting results ^^ | 02:10 |
| MohammadAG51 | would be lulz if the demo could be purged to be retrialed | 02:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | you bet it can | 02:10 |
| Justus | so am I stupid or is this really the only way it can announce turns? ^^ | 02:11 |
| ShadowJK | There's a thing in settings, it shows a row of icons representing various areas of the screen. At first I thought you could pick between 4 different predefined layouts, but it's actually allowing you to customize what's displayed | 02:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | except if they hold a central database of IMEI | 02:11 |
| MohammadAG51 | set up a job in alarmd to purge and reinstall it every 7 days | 02:11 |
| MohammadAG51 | DocScrutinizer, doubt it | 02:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | Justus: sorry, no sygic user here | 02:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer | (== me is no...) | 02:12 |
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| Justus | dang | 02:12 |
| Justus | ah well, it was worth a try | 02:12 |
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| Justus | Sygic support it is then ;) | 02:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | maybe try in +12h | 02:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | past midnight in Europe | 02:13 |
| Justus | no need to tell me | 02:13 |
| Justus | <- german ;) | 02:13 |
| ShadowJK | Settings - Advanced settings - next next .. and I have Time of arrival, current speed, distance to destination, signal indicator | 02:13 |
| Justus | ShadowJK: I know the cool stuff of the sygic app | 02:13 |
| Justus | the thing with the "turn now" is the ONLY downside I found | 02:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer | correct timing of correct guidance speech output is an art | 02:14 |
| Justus | well, they're not even trying | 02:14 |
| ShadowJK | I think I turned off the antialiasing/smoothing of gps signal in the .ini | 02:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | I know what I'm talking about, was part of the crew odds are has built your builtin car navi as well | 02:15 |
| ShadowJK | it was hopelessly late for me | 02:15 |
| ShadowJK | but also after some time all the voice prompts get delayed by seconds | 02:15 |
| ShadowJK | like, desynced with what's going on on the screen | 02:16 |
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| DocScrutinizer | blame friggin PA | 02:16 |
| ShadowJK | yep, and alsa | 02:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | if something odd is going on with audio, chances are it's PA's fault | 02:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | see, on my laptop I get delays of days (! literally) for audio output | 02:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | real fun, you close a window, in the morning, next day in the night it goes "plop" | 02:18 |
| ShadowJK | sicko | 02:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | absolutely | 02:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | can't iven think of any story explaining that | 02:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | even* | 02:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | fact is it's PA related, maybe also phonon | 02:19 |
| TermanaN900 | DocScrutinizer, PA doesnt like that you rag on it, so it plays up for you! :P | 02:20 |
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| DocScrutinizer | obviously | 02:20 |
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| ShadowJK | Yeah if I had set my computer to go *plop* at closing window, I'd have hard time coming up with excuses too | 02:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'll lock it to the dark cellar for 2 weeks | 02:20 |
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| Justus | I just found the most epic part of sygic mobile maps ^^ | 02:21 |
| Justus | it has a country overview, with different rules for allowed speed and so on | 02:21 |
| Justus | that is pure gold | 02:21 |
| ShadowJK | also whether you need winter tyres in the winter | 02:22 |
| ShadowJK | and if headlights must be on at all times | 02:22 |
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| Justus | how I hope that there is a solution to this one issue | 02:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | >>All features of the microprocessor are not exploited in the N900.<< | 02:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | ewrrm | 02:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | is that GB English? | 02:23 |
| TermanaN900 | N900 exploitation!? | 02:24 |
| Justus | it's a little grammar bug I'd guess | 02:24 |
| TermanaN900 | you bad people :P | 02:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | for me it sounds like "all the features are unused in N900" | 02:24 |
| Justus | Set the "not" in the front of this sentence and you have it | 02:24 |
| Justus | no | 02:24 |
| Justus | not all features are used | 02:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | correct English for me would be "Not all features of the microprocessor are exploited in the N900<< | 02:25 |
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| Justus | as I said, put the "not" in front and your good | 02:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep | 02:25 |
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| LjL | DocScrutinizer: to me, "not all" sounds more natural than "all ... not", but the two mean the same thing | 02:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer | that's a false friend in semantics for Germans then | 02:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer | not links forward, not backwards | 02:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | all x are (not y) | 02:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer | in German you might have that meaning on a construct like "[some might]..., BUT all are not" | 02:36 |
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| Justus | nope | 02:37 |
| Justus | "Es werden nicht alle Möglichkeiten des Mikroprozessors genutzt" | 02:37 |
| Justus | Not all features of the microprocessor are used" | 02:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | aber alle werden (trotzdem) nicht genutzt | 02:38 |
| Justus | there's no "but" in the original sentence | 02:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | exactly | 02:38 |
| Justus | yup, so no need for a but on the german sentence ^^ | 02:38 |
| ham5 | boogabooga | 02:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's why I say false friend | 02:38 |
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| Justus | huh? I still can't see the problem, there is a direct translation without any boobytraps | 02:39 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Justus: I was just explaining there - very rarely - actually are cases where we got same upside down meaning in german. But usually translating that sentence from english will make you think the opposite of what it seems to mean in English. Due to german 'false friend' semantics | 02:40 |
| Justus | you mean "all but" combinations e.g.? | 02:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | nevermind, it's fixed in wiki since an hour | 02:41 |
| Justus | uhm, ok, allthough you left me more confused than I was before ^^ | 02:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | I guess that's a local dialect of Scotland ;-) | 02:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | huh SpeedEvil ? XD | 02:45 |
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| mc_teo | can some one have a look at this process list | 02:47 |
| mc_teo | http://paste.pocoo.org/show/242034 | 02:47 |
| SpeedEvil | sorry - where | 02:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | to do what? | 02:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: lol | 02:47 |
| mc_teo | my n900 is laggy, so is there any memory whore among this list | 02:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_CPU | 02:47 |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: hmm - it is ambigous. | 02:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep | 02:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | exactly | 02:48 |
| SpeedEvil | I think I meant 'Some features' | 02:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | some of the features are not exploited | 02:48 |
| mc_teo | like surely there shouldnt be like 10 skyhost processes running? | 02:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | skyhost? WTF | 02:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | killall -9 skyhost | 02:49 |
| mc_teo | thats what i thought | 02:49 |
| mc_teo | are you sure? | 02:49 |
| mc_teo | whats it for? | 02:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | never heard of | 02:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer | mc_teo: for your reference: http://paste.debian.net/81480/ | 02:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | wtf is sapwood-server?? | 02:53 |
| ham5 | lmfgtfy | 02:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | yesyesyes | 02:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | *yawn* | 02:54 |
| mc_teo | DocScrutinizer: it wont die | 02:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | rather kill it and see what's going to stall | 02:54 |
| mc_teo | just says it cant be killed | 02:55 |
| ham5 | Sapwood is a pixbuf-based 'theme' that allows you to configure the look of. GTK-using programs. . | 02:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | burrrp | 02:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | thanks | 02:55 |
| mc_teo | and then the pids are changed | 02:55 |
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| DocScrutinizer | you got a friggin sky virus | 02:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-P | 02:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | I know skyhook wireless - they do the location shit for apple | 02:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | but skyhost, no idea | 02:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer | joghurt sport? maemohotspot? | 02:58 |
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| logix2 | beat the fucking chess on n900 | 02:59 |
| logix2 | i cant do it on easy either | 02:59 |
| mc_teo | DocScrutinizer: googles first result was a talk.maemo page | 02:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://merusers.de/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=31&start=10 | 03:00 |
| mc_teo | it has something to do with skype | 03:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | blargh, skype | 03:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | isn't it interesting that it appears in a thread about short battry life? :-P | 03:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | running skype on a mobile device is daft | 03:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer | skype - by definition - is a peer to peer network for VoIP. It - also by definition - is consequently designed to exploit *your* hardware, cpu time, bandwidth, and battery, for forwarding data between other people you don't have any relation to | 03:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer | you'd be better off running a filesharing server on your N900 | 03:05 |
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| mva | hi there | 03:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | at least you are ure then the people using your resources are doing that because they want and they know what they do, and maybe even say thanks to you | 03:06 |
| mc_teo | i turned off my skype account, and they all disappeared | 03:07 |
| logix2 | running skype on n900 with wireless conn is just another not understandable conversation where u can hardly pickup couple of words and still without video | 03:07 |
| mva | does amybody plays in Abuse? | 03:07 |
| logix2 | guess i would go even further from the ap it would suck even more | 03:07 |
| logix2 | sheet is only good for chat | 03:07 |
| logix2 | even on msn i miss out parts of the conversation lulz | 03:07 |
| mc_teo | logix2: i had a full 18 minute call today | 03:07 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | use xchat, noob! | 03:08 |
| mc_teo | only went funny for a minutek but that was his side | 03:08 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | (sent from N900 xchat) | 03:08 |
| pronto | xchat on my n900 crashes anymore when i try to connecto my znc ;_; | 03:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | and also SIP works great, and is integrated into dialer et al framework | 03:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | DocScrutinizer51 is ZNC bouncer | 03:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | no issues with xchat, but ZNC recently segfaults | 03:10 |
| mc_teo | im using n900 atm | 03:10 |
| mc_teo | and i use Rizons ZNC bouncer on there whole time | 03:11 |
| mc_teo | and never had any problem with it | 03:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | well I guess it won't segfault any more, as I run it under strace now. Using Murphy to fix things | 03:14 |
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| logix2 | and u had ur phone on wireless? | 03:21 |
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| logix2 | mine is like from 2m from the ap | 03:21 |
| logix2 | skype still crap | 03:21 |
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| logix2 | just calling skype users not to mention using their skype out | 03:22 |
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| GAN900 | timeless_mbp, ping? | 03:24 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | GAN900: moo | 03:24 |
| GAN900 | DocScrutinizer51, hey-ho. | 03:24 |
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| ech0Asus | sup | 04:00 |
| mortini | nyet. | 04:00 |
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| * DocScrutinizer wonders what a crap that gaia TWL4030 chip must be, so Nokia decided not to use the PHY for USB, the audio amplifiers, the battery charging, SmartReflex (as for switching the regulators)... | 04:02 | |
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| DocScrutinizer | or is it cargo cult EE? Seen that on 'other devices' :-P where they added a mono amp for absolutely nothing, just because they didn't realize it's not needed anymore when switching from stereo in the predecessor device to mono in gta02. Wolfson codec 8753 had a even better amp builtin | 04:05 |
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| ds3 | GAIA? | 04:10 |
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| ech0Asus | it didn't happen like that | 04:18 |
| ech0Asus | you know damn well what i'm talking about mr.. dude! | 04:18 |
| ech0Asus | thats right.. take the silent position.. | 04:20 |
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| DrGeek | g'day all | 04:30 |
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| DrGeek | I have an n900 and I cannot type to X applications in a debian chroot. Any idea what might cause this? | 04:50 |
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| Pauly | hey any1 use fcamera? | 05:00 |
| Pauly | im using gimp with ubuntu and cant open the Adobe DNG raw images? | 05:01 |
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| ham5 | on the same xserver drgeek? | 05:10 |
| DrGeek | ham5, yeah. | 05:11 |
| DrGeek | ham5, the same one that comes with the maemo install | 05:11 |
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| DrGeek | ham5, xev reports no keypress/releases too | 05:11 |
| ham5 | no idea then sorry | 05:11 |
| ham5 | thought debian chroot ran its own x | 05:12 |
| DrGeek | hmm, maybe it does? my chroot is /media/mmc3 and I'm bind-mounting /tmp to /media/mmc3/tmp to re-use the existing X server | 05:13 |
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| Macer | wow | 05:49 |
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| Macer | going to take this macbook 8 hours to encode a video for the n900 from a hgih def mkv | 05:49 |
| Macer | i'm encoding the 5th element | 05:49 |
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| Osama | hey | 05:50 |
| Osama | any1 here? | 05:52 |
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| Osama | nokia called some stupid camera app "exciting news"??? LOLZ | 05:53 |
| ham5 | omweather or foreca | 05:53 |
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| Osama | whats next for maemo? | 05:53 |
| asj | Osama: you refereing to fcamera? | 05:53 |
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| Osama | yes fcamera | 05:53 |
| Osama | lolz | 05:54 |
| asj | Osama: try it, it's pretty damn cool | 05:54 |
| Osama | sounfs gimmicky | 05:54 |
| Osama | sounds | 05:54 |
| asj | Osama: it's anything but, more of an engineering project looking for a better ui | 05:55 |
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| Osama | thats the problem with linux.... buncha geeks running around showing windowz 95 on their phones...lolz....who cares??? | 05:58 |
| ham5 | ? | 05:58 |
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| asj | Osama: so if it's gimmicky you bitch, if it's too techy you bitch, do you have anything to contribute? | 05:58 |
| Osama | chill buddy | 05:59 |
| Osama | didnt know expressing an opinion was a criminal offence lolz | 06:00 |
| ham5 | go rant some where else osama | 06:00 |
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| Macer | SpeedEvil1: haha | 06:01 |
| Macer | SpeedEvil1: best character is zorg :) he is my hero | 06:02 |
| lpotter | what does fcam have to do with windows95 running on a linux phone? | 06:02 |
| Macer | jean baptiste emanuelle zorg | 06:02 |
| Osama | lpotter: i was just trying to say that all this linux talk is full of unpractical shit | 06:02 |
| Macer | exagerated maybe. unpractical not so much. | 06:03 |
| lpotter | well, climbing Mt Danali is unpractical too | 06:03 |
| Osama | unfinished or abandoned apps....poorly coded apps....et | 06:03 |
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| Macer | i can understand what you mean by calling a camera app exciting news is odd though... it was like when the iphone had "now with videos" commercials for the newer iphone like they crached the technology :) | 06:04 |
| Osama | Macer: exactly | 06:04 |
| Osama | unfortunately mameo can only hope in their dreams to be like apple and android | 06:05 |
| lpotter | i dunno, fcam is more innovative than most apps | 06:05 |
| Macer | Osama: well. i believe it can be on par or better .. well. probably not maemo so much now as meego can be | 06:06 |
| Osama | lpotter: i fail to see fcam innovative... it's gimmick | 06:06 |
| ham5 | rant rannnnnnnt | 06:06 |
| lpotter | i guess you did not read the pdf paper on it then | 06:06 |
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| Osama | whut? | 06:06 |
| Macer | but apple and google have 2 things going for them... apple and google ;) | 06:06 |
| lpotter | and no, maemo does not want to be like ios or android | 06:07 |
| Macer | nokia doesn't seem to know what direction it wants to go with its operating systems | 06:07 |
| lpotter | yes we do | 06:07 |
| lpotter | when you have only one phone, you only have one os | 06:07 |
| Osama | lpotter: actually , maemo is dead so it doesnt matter what it wants to be...it's dead. simple, aint it? | 06:07 |
| Macer | lpotter: android runs on multiple phones and platforms though | 06:07 |
| lpotter | Macer: os doesnt matter with Qt | 06:07 |
| lpotter | I am fairly sure maemo isnt dead | 06:08 |
| Macer | lpotter: i suppose that is a valid point but just because it is qt doesn't mean that is all their is to it | 06:08 |
| Osama | lpotter: read the news lately? | 06:08 |
| lpotter | news schmews | 06:08 |
| Macer | some might argue it wouldn't matter with gtk either. which is what maemo was using wasn't it? | 06:08 |
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| ham5 | distros come and go | 06:08 |
| lpotter | I also read pigs can fly in some cercumstances | 06:08 |
| ham5 | simpley | 06:08 |
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| Osama | OS does matter.... Qt is secondary | 06:09 |
| ham5 | mabey if u knew 2 shits about linux | 06:09 |
| ham5 | unix is ios droid uses linux too | 06:09 |
| Macer | android uses it as a hal | 06:09 |
| lpotter | ya, I dont know about linux | 06:09 |
| ham5 | lpotter talkin to osama | 06:10 |
| lpotter | ahh ok | 06:10 |
| Macer | other than that i don't think the linux part of it really does much | 06:10 |
| ham5 | he wants to rant and hes dum | 06:10 |
| ham5 | ;) | 06:10 |
| lpotter | android is not linux | 06:10 |
| Osama | Linux may be great but it aint nothing more than os for geeks | 06:10 |
| Macer | lpotter: linux is a kernel ;) | 06:10 |
| ham5 | uses a linux kernel.. | 06:10 |
| Macer | just because it doesn't have a gnu base doesn't mean it isn't linux | 06:10 |
| lpotter | no, it uses a fork of linux | 06:10 |
| Osama | GUYS....who gives a fuck? | 06:10 |
| lpotter | we do, obviously | 06:11 |
| asj | Osama: we do | 06:11 |
| ham5 | LETS RANT OSAMA | 06:11 |
| Osama | asj: right... the all 4 of you on earth care...LOLZ | 06:11 |
| Macer | but i am in disagreement with you lpotter as far as only worrying about one phone in regards to the iphone | 06:11 |
| Macer | n900 is the only phone thus far running maemo5 and probably the last | 06:11 |
| Osama | Macer: probably???? its a fucken done deal mate | 06:12 |
| lpotter | but maemo is not nokia's only phone os | 06:12 |
| Osama | N900 is as dead as it can be | 06:12 |
| Macer | and android runs across multiple platforms and has taken a farily straightforward development path... for some reason though nokia seems to have pretty much released an OS with a short life and then swapped over to meego with intel | 06:12 |
| lpotter | wow, I am pretty sure my n900 still works fine | 06:13 |
| Macer | lpotter: oh I understand that.. but which OSes does nokia have? maemo/meego and symbian | 06:13 |
| Osama | LOLZ... right and next year Nokia will come up with yet another OS....called fuckgo | 06:13 |
| Macer | with meego being for their smartphones and symbian moving over to the lower/middle end phones | 06:13 |
| asj | Macer: s40 and s30 | 06:14 |
| lpotter | Macer: symbian^3, s60, s40, maemo, and in the future, meego too | 06:14 |
| ham5 | GUYS....who gives a fuck? | 06:14 |
| lpotter | we do | 06:14 |
| ham5 | lol | 06:14 |
| Osama | too many damn OS nokia has...LOLZ | 06:14 |
| ham5 | they dont have any os | 06:14 |
| ham5 | the own ovi... right | 06:14 |
| Osama | ovi is shit too | 06:14 |
| ham5 | own that | 06:15 |
| lpotter | my grandma used to say, dont keep all your eggs in one basket | 06:15 |
| Macer | lpotter: i honestly think that maemo is dead.. or at the very least on its way | 06:15 |
| asj | Osama: I don't see andriod running on a $20 throwaway phone in papa new guinea...do you? | 06:15 |
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| ieatlint | lpotter: android is linux -- linux being a kernel, which android uses | 06:15 |
| Osama | asj: who gives a fuck? | 06:15 |
| ieatlint | woo, pedantic fight | 06:15 |
| Macer | ieatlint: :) haha | 06:15 |
| lpotter | Macer: I dont. but what would I know about maemo | 06:15 |
| asj | Osama: if I lived there, I would :) | 06:15 |
| ham5 | as long as they keep putting cocaine in the screens idk | 06:15 |
| ieatlint | android is not gnu, etc | 06:15 |
| Osama | asj: they can have their cheap s40 fones....fuck developing countries | 06:16 |
| Macer | ieatlint: heh. well. it isn't. i suppose you can build gnu apps for it.. which would actually be awesome | 06:16 |
| Macer | android is a pretty good OS and would be great if it had apt :) | 06:16 |
| lpotter | it's spelled, phones, not fones | 06:16 |
| Macer | with a gnu based repo for it | 06:16 |
| Osama | lpotter: who gives a fuck about spelling? u a teacher or somethin? | 06:17 |
| lpotter | maybe | 06:17 |
| ieatlint | Macer: yeah, but that would defeat the reasons they chose their sandboxed java system | 06:17 |
| Macer | ieatlint: not really. that can still be used for the ui end of it | 06:17 |
| ieatlint | maemo's lack of sandboxing has a real risk of coming around to bite its ass in the future | 06:17 |
| Osama | when is the 1st mego fone comin out? | 06:18 |
| lpotter | Osama: knowledge is power | 06:18 |
| Macer | ieatlint: i disagree ;) | 06:18 |
| Macer | i love the fact that maemo has stuff i can use in a term | 06:18 |
| Macer | something that i always thought was lacking in android | 06:18 |
| Macer | android had pico tho.. i can give it that much .. but that was a cyanogen rom | 06:18 |
| Macer | so i suppose it is possible but nobody has taken that path | 06:19 |
| Osama | Macer: 99.99% of population dont give a flying fuck about terminal | 06:19 |
| Macer | Osama: then they can use winmob ;) | 06:19 |
| Macer | or get an iphone | 06:19 |
| Osama | Macer: nah.... winmob is shit | 06:19 |
| ieatlint | i could put an app promoted to extras that was not malicious, then push out an update that did things like take all the photos off your phone, or start reporting your geo location to me | 06:19 |
| Osama | maemo is full of security holes....scary | 06:19 |
| ieatlint | yes, the peer-review is meant to prevent this | 06:19 |
| Macer | ieatlint: fair point | 06:20 |
| ieatlint | but i'm somehow not too trusting that a bunch of other geeks sit around reading other's code | 06:20 |
| microlith | technically you could do that with any platform, so long as it's hidden well enough | 06:20 |
| Macer | ieatlint: who is to say they're not in on it too ? ;) | 06:20 |
| Osama | how can an OS thats run by a bunch of pimple faced geeks be taken seriously? | 06:20 |
| microlith | Osama: leave, please | 06:20 |
| ieatlint | microlith: typically there's a security system involved -- although you could argue that users will just blindly click through it | 06:20 |
| Osama | huh? | 06:21 |
| microlith | ieatlint: in the same way Apple missed the tethering app they posted on their store? | 06:21 |
| ieatlint | but you'd get enough going "hey! why does this text editor want to access my gps?" that it could get reported | 06:21 |
| microlith | Osama: you're here to troll, obviously. | 06:21 |
| ham5 | called that like an hour ago | 06:21 |
| lpotter | Osama: same way major corporations take linux seriously | 06:21 |
| ieatlint | eh, i was referring more to android.. i'm less familiar with iphone out of wilful/blissful ignorance | 06:22 |
| Osama | microlith: everybody that has a different opinion from yours is a troll ? | 06:22 |
| Macer | microlith: haha. it's nice to have a troll every now and then :) gets everybody all riled up | 06:22 |
| microlith | Osama: if you had a valid point, no. but insulting people for no apparent reason, aside from 4chan level OS hate? | 06:22 |
| * ieatlint backtraces Osama and calls the cyber police | 06:23 | |
| Macer | lpotter: honestly he did have a point in the fact that there are a LOT of abandoned/unfinished apps for linux | 06:23 |
| lpotter | Macer: just like any other os | 06:23 |
| Macer | but unfortunately i suppose that is the way of the "openness" of it all :) | 06:23 |
| microlith | Macer: but that has no impact on -Linux- itself | 06:23 |
| Osama | look....im not trying to cause shit | 06:23 |
| Macer | lpotter: oh i understand that. | 06:23 |
| Osama | just pointing out weaknesses | 06:23 |
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| microlith | Osama: that's not pointing out a weakness, at best it's a strawman. at worst, it's a pointless ad-hominem against a rather large group of people. | 06:24 |
| lpotter | well, I dont see how having abandonded/unfinished apps is a weakness | 06:24 |
| Macer | lpotter: only if you are one of the people who can't code and really want the app ;) | 06:24 |
| Osama | can we all agree that maemo is dead? | 06:24 |
| lpotter | just like having junk car lots is not a weakness | 06:24 |
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| Macer | bad similie | 06:25 |
| lpotter | Osama: no, because maemo is not dead | 06:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | can we all agree we're playing nice in this chan? | 06:25 |
| ieatlint | Macer: just befriend more people who can code | 06:25 |
| Osama | lpotter: do explain | 06:25 |
| ieatlint | and then encourage them (not nag), and provide positive feedback and suggestions | 06:25 |
| lpotter | Osama: ok. maemo is not dead. | 06:25 |
| Osama | lpotter: very deep mate | 06:26 |
| Macer | ieatlint: haha. hi... hey.. you want to come over and watch this game with me and some friends and sift through 10,000 lines of code and fix this for me? | 06:26 |
| lpotter | thanks, I try to be | 06:26 |
| Macer | ieatlint: don't think that would work out :) | 06:26 |
| ieatlint | wtf app are you using that's 10k lines? | 06:26 |
| Osama | lpotter: but maemo is dead.... read the news | 06:26 |
| Macer | ieatlint: just an example | 06:26 |
| ieatlint | and provide some good booze, and we'll talk | 06:26 |
| lpotter | the "news" does not know | 06:26 |
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| Macer | ieatlint: hahahha | 06:26 |
| Osama | lpotter: official nokia peole know | 06:26 |
| ieatlint | yeah, if the news reported maemo was dead, people would just ask wtf maemo was | 06:26 |
| lpotter | the 'news' also gets excited because ios joined 1995 | 06:27 |
| lpotter | Osama: I would assume we would know | 06:27 |
| Osama | i was talking to some higher ups at nokia and they said nobody is working on maemo no more...its all mego from now on | 06:27 |
| ieatlint | lpotter: i'm hoping we get some reporter who confuses iphones with the real ios | 06:27 |
| Macer | maemo is like the canadian prime minister.. if he were shot to death it would be in the news for a day or two.. maybe later on too for the funeral and after that the world wouldn't care. if the president of the united states was shot then it would be in the news for months | 06:27 |
| lpotter | Osama: and you think management really knows? | 06:28 |
| Macer | :) | 06:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | Osama: please stop generalizing and stating stereotypes | 06:28 |
| Osama | lpotter: some do...the ones i was talkin to | 06:28 |
| Macer | but i'm sure people in canada like their PM for the most part | 06:28 |
| ieatlint | lpotter: dude, give it up.. you're talking to a wall | 06:28 |
| lpotter | Osama: riiight | 06:28 |
| Osama | why are you guys so mean spirited can i ask? | 06:28 |
| Osama | what have i done to yous? | 06:29 |
| lpotter | ieatlint: but I miss having troll fights on ./ | 06:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | why are you so blockheaded? | 06:29 |
| ieatlint | Osama: we're bitter because we're stuck on a dead platform | 06:29 |
| Macer | but realistically. whether he is trolling or not... i still agree with osama and consider maemo to be on its way out as nokia has honstly pulled most of its support in order to pursue meego with intel & co | 06:29 |
| ieatlint | oh, and we're on irc.. it's implicit that we're angry | 06:29 |
| microlith | Osama: well for one you insulted a lot of people that I work with, if indirectly | 06:29 |
| Osama | microlith: not intnetionally | 06:29 |
| ieatlint | if you're on irc, you're either angry, looking for warez/credit card numbers, or idling | 06:29 |
| * luke-jr is idling. | 06:30 | |
| microlith | Osama: you don't call a bunch of developers "pimply faced geeks" unintentionally | 06:30 |
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| asj | ieatlint: I beg to differ | 06:30 |
| Macer | luke-jr: haha | 06:30 |
| ieatlint | asj: you sound angry | 06:30 |
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| luke-jr | microlith: you clearly haven't read BOFH | 06:30 |
| Macer | ieatlint: you forgot sex with the underaged | 06:30 |
| Osama | microlith: thats the peception out there mate | 06:30 |
| lpotter | ieatlint: oh he is angry. I can see it from here | 06:30 |
| asj | lpotter: ;p~ | 06:30 |
| microlith | Osama: maybe amongst the ignorant | 06:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | Osama: go read http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=45213 for example. Please come back *after* you did | 06:31 |
| Osama | DocScrutinizer: i did | 06:31 |
| luke-jr | I'll prepare the stake… | 06:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | ieatlint: I'm definitely angry | 06:31 |
| luke-jr | who wants to get the gasoline? | 06:31 |
| Macer | DocScrutinizer: :) i don't understand why you always post that link as though it is something that says "maemo isn't dead" | 06:31 |
| ieatlint | i'm always angry or drunk | 06:32 |
| ieatlint | at the moment, the former -- perhaps because not the latter | 06:32 |
| Macer | realistically all it is saying is that apps written in qt for meego are able to be back ported to maemo | 06:32 |
| * lpotter goes back to work on something for maemo | 06:32 | |
| Osama | there was another question i had....where can i download a crack for the navigation app for n900? can you point me? | 06:32 |
| microlith | Osama: gtfo | 06:32 |
| luke-jr | you want news? positive news? | 06:33 |
| luke-jr | how about this then: | 06:33 |
| * Macer drum roll | 06:33 | |
| luke-jr | I actually spoke only positively about N900 to someone today | 06:33 |
| ieatlint | maemo is dead, but meego is not, and meego is aiming to provide backwards compatibility with maemo while maemo is providing forwards-compatibility with meego (qt support) | 06:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | Macer: maemo are 5 chars, or an operating system. Tell me what's the exact meaning of 'dead' for a lifeless object, or stfu | 06:33 |
| Osama | there used to be a vibrant warez community on symbian.... | 06:33 |
| luke-jr | zomg… ovi maps warez plz | 06:33 |
| lpotter | i am _pretty sure_ someone is still working on things for maemo | 06:34 |
| Osama | lpotter: no | 06:34 |
| lpotter | really | 06:34 |
| luke-jr | lpotter: who? | 06:34 |
| lpotter | gofigure | 06:34 |
| ieatlint | lpotter: bugfixes i hope/suspect, but expanding capability... i'd speculate that to be unlikely | 06:34 |
| Macer | DocScrutinizer: you can run a lot of w32 apps in windows 2000.. but does that mean you stick with an OS that was released 10 years ago simply because you can run a game in it? the majority of people wish to have a new OS that exploits the capabilities of their hardware. otherwise the world would have stuck with DOS | 06:34 |
| lpotter | ya, well. how would I know | 06:34 |
| GAN900 | lpotter, maybe all of 5 people. | 06:34 |
| lpotter | maybe 5 people within 15 meters of me | 06:35 |
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| Osama | nokia fucked up with n900 | 06:35 |
| Macer | dead means that maemo will not truly realize the potential of the hardware because the support for it (official support as well as developers crossing the line) is fading | 06:35 |
| ieatlint | Macer: interesting analogy, because anything you wrote for win2k would work fine in win7 | 06:35 |
| GAN900 | Jumping to Nokia's defense with regards to their treatment of N900 users is, perhaps, a bit blinder-induced. | 06:35 |
| lpotter | Osama: care to clarify? | 06:35 |
| Macer | ieatlint: but not the other way around for some things ;) | 06:36 |
| Osama | lpotter: they introduce it to the market and 6 months later say "see u later suckers mego is coming" | 06:36 |
| ieatlint | Macer: true, but my point is that developing for maemo is not a dead end, which is the only concern i'd have with a dead os | 06:36 |
| Macer | DocScrutinizer: my definition of a dead OS is an OS that no longer receives official support from the company that released it | 06:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer | wtf support? | 06:36 |
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| ieatlint | Osama: iphone and android are the same way | 06:37 |
| Macer | especially for a mobile OS | 06:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | support as in "how do I find which crappy app eats my cpu and bat"? | 06:37 |
| ieatlint | it's the way of mobile computing right now | 06:37 |
| Osama | ieatlint: no....wrong....wrong wrong...not after 5 months | 06:37 |
| Macer | DocScrutinizer: no. support as in "how can we write code to make the gles work smoother" | 06:38 |
| luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: cellmo drivers | 06:38 |
| luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: switch to Offline Mode | 06:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | this is digital - not a car that needs oil change every 10.000 | 06:38 |
| Osama | nokia is laughing right now....got all the suckers to buy n900 and now kaboom | 06:38 |
| Macer | DocScrutinizer: you would think. but an OS finds its refinement with time | 06:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | orly | 06:38 |
| Macer | maemo's refinement from nokia's perspective seems to be meego | 06:39 |
| luke-jr | Osama: if that were true, Nokia wouldn't have sent me one free of charge | 06:39 |
| lpotter | what? | 06:39 |
| luke-jr | Osama: so at least I am pretty sure Nokia isn't intentionally trying to screw people here | 06:39 |
| Osama | luke-jr: lucky u mate | 06:39 |
| luke-jr | and seeing as I'm not alone, I think everyone can rest assured that is true | 06:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | so you bought a device with a OS that doesn't perform up to your expectations, and you claim Nokia is obliged to deliver now for, how long did you say? | 06:39 |
| * lpotter sends luke-jr a bill on Nokia's boards' behalf | 06:40 | |
| luke-jr | lpotter: I wouldn't have bought one, either. :p | 06:40 |
| Osama | 1 year minimum | 06:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | Macer: that sounds rather daft | 06:40 |
| lpotter | Osama: and what makes you so sure Nokia isn't officailly supporting meamo still? | 06:41 |
| Macer | DocScrutinizer: the problem is that it met expectations but even more fine tuning and refinement was expected .. new features and innovations that would allow maemo to jump out | 06:41 |
| luke-jr | Osama: one thing I've noticed since buying my N810… is that Nokia never actually seems to advertise anything much for their tablets | 06:41 |
| Osama | lpotter: all nokias resources are into meego now....maemo is a dead horse mate | 06:41 |
| Macer | and nokia wants to do that in the form of meego | 06:41 |
| luke-jr | I thought they claimed Linux, but I don't see that word anywhere either | 06:41 |
| luke-jr | except in the community | 06:41 |
| ham5 | distro | 06:41 |
| Macer | which imho is just trying to follow the android example of creating a multi platform mobile OS | 06:42 |
| lpotter | Osama: really. | 06:42 |
| Macer | that is successful and gathers hype :) | 06:42 |
| Osama | lpotter: take off the fanboy blinders | 06:42 |
| lpotter | heh | 06:42 |
| asj | Osama: so where do you get your info? | 06:42 |
| * lpotter is not a blind nokia fanboi | 06:43 | |
| Osama | asj: www.meego.com.... are u living on a deserted island mate? | 06:43 |
| lpotter | yep. its called australia | 06:43 |
| Macer | hahaha | 06:43 |
| cheriff | lol | 06:43 |
| asj | lpotter: ouch | 06:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | Osama: either you go read that thread to understand maemo/meego compatibility, and you stop stating that "dead horse" shit, or I start getting angry, and you don't want me getting angry | 06:43 |
| Macer | yeah that was rough | 06:43 |
| Osama | DocScrutinizer: why be mad? | 06:44 |
| luke-jr | Osama is riding a dead horse. | 06:44 |
| luke-jr | :D | 06:44 |
| asj | lpotter: it's not like it's new zealand... | 06:44 |
| * microlith doesn't want DocScrutinizer turning big and green... | 06:44 | |
| lpotter | asj: or even Gilligans Island | 06:44 |
| luke-jr | Just sit right back and you'll hear a tale… | 06:44 |
| asj | lpotter: how do you know it's not...I was promised a 2 hour boat ride... | 06:45 |
| lpotter | dang it, now I lost all todays code mojo | 06:45 |
| luke-jr | lol | 06:46 |
| Macer | lpotter: it's ok. acceptance is one of the final stages | 06:46 |
| Macer | :) | 06:46 |
| Osama | DocScutinizer: you talk a big game about all this "compatibility" shit lemme ask you a simple question: it's a known fact that all future meego fones will have multitouch capacitive screens and hence apps will not be backwars compatible. your little compatibility shit is out the window mate. | 06:46 |
| GAN900 | Osama, I wouldn't call it a "fact" | 06:46 |
| lpotter | heh | 06:46 |
| luke-jr | Osama: capacitive sucks. we can implement resistive multitouch | 06:46 |
| Macer | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K%C3%BCbler-Ross_model | 06:46 |
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| ham5 | wheres the sms html? | 06:47 |
| GAN900 | Nokia seems to be headed that direction themselves, unfortunately | 06:47 |
| asj | Osama: that's like saying you can't use a trackball since it's not a mouse | 06:47 |
| *** Osama was kicked by DocScrutinizer (WTF?!) | 06:47 | |
| ham5 | THANK YOU | 06:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer | night, fellas | 06:47 |
| Macer | HAHAHAHAH | 06:47 |
| GAN900 | But that doesn't precluded other manufacturers from offering something different | 06:47 |
| GAN900 | Or Nokia to shift direction | 06:47 |
| lpotter | hmmpf. now what I am gonna do | 06:47 |
| ham5 | lol | 06:47 |
| ham5 | develop | 06:47 |
| ham5 | e | 06:47 |
| Macer | lpotter: yeah. :/ | 06:47 |
| luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: what if he returns? | 06:48 |
| Macer | guess i'll go finish this fedora install or something | 06:48 |
| GAN900 | Still, once bitten, twice shy, three times still naive and four times just damn tired of the bullshit. | 06:48 |
| asj | lpotter: I got a problem you could fix for me :) | 06:48 |
| lpotter | asj: go ask the Professor | 06:48 |
| Macer | awesome. vbox didn't boot this fedora install | 06:49 |
| Macer | meh. i'll work on it later or something :) | 06:49 |
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| * GAN900 will just continue to con free devices out of Nokia for as long as possible and move on to a company that doesn't hate him as a customer when the opportunity arises. | 06:49 | |
| microlith | that's not a bad plan | 06:49 |
| yigal | opportunist and yet understandably so | 06:50 |
| lpotter | ya, nokia hates the n900 users so much.. thats why it released PR1.2 | 06:50 |
| GAN900 | Clearly they're not interested in my money (although apparently they like the thousands of ours I've invested in the platform) | 06:50 |
| GAN900 | lpotter, Nokia hates me as a customer. | 06:50 |
| lpotter | bad credit? | 06:50 |
| GAN900 | Short, half-assed support, continued drift in both hardware and software away from something I want to own. | 06:51 |
| GAN900 | Plus I live in the US. | 06:51 |
| yigal | It's the idea that an a half OS project doesn't deserve support, it's very funny | 06:51 |
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| GAN900 | Clearly there's a problem when droves of your core contributors are burnt out and tired of your platform and your company. | 06:53 |
| yigal | now Meego will be powering automobile computers, lol | 06:53 |
| asj | GAN900: developers always change | 06:54 |
| microlith | meego is not nokia, however, though I don't expect you'll see -any- support beyond dealer service for those | 06:54 |
| lpotter | fine. I'll work on meego stuff now then | 06:54 |
| microlith | "I rooted my car!" | 06:54 |
| yigal | I still like the community base of Maemo, however scarred it is from Nokia's (lack of) involvement | 06:55 |
| lpotter | heh | 06:55 |
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| lpotter | ya,because nokia is not involved at all | 06:55 |
| ham5 | make some pretty good hardware :) | 06:55 |
| lpotter | microlith: if you only knew what that means in Australian | 06:56 |
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| microlith | lpotter: I'll assume it's vulgar and be happy | 06:56 |
| GAN900 | asj, so we don't care? | 06:56 |
| GAN900 | asj, good to know. | 06:56 |
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| ieatlint | could be worse, could be openmoko | 07:01 |
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| yigal | what ever, it's all Hindi too me | 07:02 |
| yigal | or Sanskrit | 07:02 |
| yigal | however you take it | 07:02 |
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| yigal | ha, I had such hopes in that project | 07:02 |
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| luke-jr | yigal: what law creates any force for a "TOS" that I've never seen nor met about nor agreed to? | 07:18 |
| yigal | it's just a matter that one is putting one's personal information, the framework of one's relations on the line | 07:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | hah | 07:19 |
| luke-jr | so don't put any personal information in | 07:19 |
| luke-jr | DocScrutinizer51: quit it! | 07:19 |
| Macer | oh yeah .. 7 mour hours and my 1 movie for my n900 will be done encoding :) | 07:19 |
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| yigal | it's not possible because by the very nature of FB the nature is personal? | 07:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | nah, let's start the real fun now | 07:20 |
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| yigal | D no, please let's not | 07:20 |
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| yigal | the relations one has with everyone | 07:21 |
| yigal | owell, my own personal problem with sketchy social networks | 07:21 |
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| Macer | yigal: like google? | 07:23 |
| Macer | haha | 07:23 |
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| Macer | i'm waiting for the day facebook starts charging its users to use it | 07:23 |
| Macer | maybe after they buy out myspace | 07:23 |
| yigal | FB in my eyes is more sketch just cause of the CEO | 07:23 |
| Macer | meh. i don't use facebook | 07:24 |
| Macer | getting msg'd all goddamn day about fake farms or mafia wars is not too high on my to do list | 07:24 |
| yigal | The humble beginnings of Google is hard to forget | 07:24 |
| Macer | the little search engine that could? | 07:24 |
| luke-jr | Macer: you can ignore those | 07:24 |
| Macer | it's amazing they took off they way they did | 07:24 |
| Macer | when there were so many alternatives | 07:24 |
| Macer | yahoo pulled a damn amd when it came to google :) | 07:25 |
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| luke-jr | Metacrawler… | 07:25 |
| yigal | yahoo acted like the gestapo | 07:25 |
| Macer | yigal: i mean they were on top and just watched google take the lead and keep on going :) | 07:26 |
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| Macer | then again.. sbcglobal/att/whatever bought yahoo.. so that on its own turned it into something nobody wants haha | 07:26 |
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| yigal | when yahoo! sold out the poor blogger in China it was easy for me to stop using them all together | 07:27 |
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| Macer | sold out the poor blogger in china? | 07:28 |
| Macer | google sold out in china too ;) | 07:28 |
| yigal | http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/industry_sectors/media/article728898.ece, crap like that | 07:28 |
| yigal | Macer: yes but only later | 07:28 |
| yigal | not like that makes them better | 07:28 |
| Macer | haha... yahoo sold out to french pussies as well.. disallowing all nazi forums and memorabilia | 07:29 |
| Macer | not that i agree with nazism but still :) .. free speech/expression is free speech/expression | 07:29 |
| yigal | look I'm a Jew, but I believe in freedom of speech | 07:29 |
| yigal | howse that | 07:30 |
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| D-Iivil | good morning vietnam. | 07:30 |
| yigal | excuse my spelling, just meant to bring to point home | 07:30 |
| yigal | hah | 07:30 |
| Macer | yigal: money talks | 07:30 |
| Macer | i don't care how a company TRIES to hide it.. in the end.. money rules all :) | 07:31 |
| yigal | no people with $ are heard | 07:31 |
| luke-jr | Google has to obey the law too | 07:31 |
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| yigal | the only question is which one | 07:31 |
| D-Iivil | DocScrutinizer, ping | 07:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | wazzup | 07:31 |
| luke-jr | governments have the power to censor things. get over it. | 07:32 |
| D-Iivil | DocScrutinizer, what was the control -file field you talked couple of days ago? | 07:32 |
| ml-mobile | /me preemtively slaps the cuffs on luke-jr | 07:32 |
| yigal | ok #politics, in any event | 07:32 |
| ml-mobile | o_O | 07:32 |
| D-Iivil | DocScrutinizer, the one that overrides the description in ham. | 07:32 |
| Macer | luke-jr: google could have just given china the finger if they really wanted to | 07:32 |
| Macer | they would have survived without the chinese market | 07:33 |
| Macer | easily | 07:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | in package build folder /debian/control | 07:33 |
| yigal | but could the Chinese? | 07:33 |
| Macer | probably more so considering other countries would have been on board with a google boycott of china | 07:33 |
| Macer | yigal: are they going to bomb california? :) | 07:33 |
| D-Iivil | DocScrutinizer, yes, that file, but what was the field name? | 07:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | XB-Maemo-Upgrade-Description: in there | 07:33 |
| luke-jr | Macer: but why? | 07:33 |
| D-Iivil | DocScrutinizer, thanks. | 07:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | yw | 07:34 |
| Macer | luke-jr: oh. firm beliefs or something like that | 07:34 |
| yigal | I was a physics graduate student, my officemate was Chinese, Google was a huge part of having a good life in China | 07:34 |
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| Macer | nobody has those when it comes to money though ;) | 07:34 |
| yigal | Macer: yes, I'm from CA | 07:34 |
| luke-jr | Macer: firm idolatry of liberty? | 07:34 |
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| luke-jr | I have firm beliefs that government *justly* has the power to censor. | 07:34 |
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| yigal | just is the key term | 07:34 |
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| ml-mobile | lol, governments never justly censor | 07:35 |
| Macer | luke-jr: and companies have a right to just dismantle the market in the area if they believe that the country is not in the spirit of the service they are trying to provide | 07:35 |
| yigal | ml-mobile: lol | 07:35 |
| luke-jr | yigal: what was China censoring unjustly? | 07:35 |
| Macer | but money talked ;) | 07:35 |
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| Macer | ml-mobile: i agree ;) | 07:35 |
| Macer | i think elections should be held every year for every public office | 07:35 |
| yigal | luke-jr: Tiananmen Square | 07:36 |
| yigal | among other things | 07:36 |
| luke-jr | Macer: I think monarchs shouldn't be elected. | 07:36 |
| luke-jr | the masses are idiots | 07:36 |
| Macer | luke-jr: agreed haha | 07:36 |
| luke-jr | yigal: never heard of it | 07:36 |
| yigal | luke-jr: google it, lo | 07:36 |
| yigal | l | 07:36 |
| microlith | wow | 07:36 |
| microlith | luke-jr isn't familiar with tiananmen square? | 07:36 |
| luke-jr | yigal: "Your query has been restricted. Sorry." | 07:36 |
| yigal | luke-jr: lol | 07:37 |
| microlith | a better example is how the government in china supresses reporting on things like the collapsed schools | 07:37 |
| microlith | mostly because the contractors were very well connected to party members | 07:37 |
| yigal | and bloggers | 07:37 |
| Macer | yigal: those people should have tor'd their stuff ;) | 07:38 |
| Macer | isn't china what tor is for? | 07:38 |
| GAN900 | It amazes me that even US schools don't really tell you anything about Tiananmen. | 07:38 |
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| Macer | GAN900: the chinese would be angry | 07:38 |
| Macer | then no more cheap wal-mart goods | 07:38 |
| GAN900 | Most people don't realize the Chinese army was mowing civilians down in the streets. | 07:38 |
| yigal | i need my cheap laptop | 07:39 |
| Macer | i'll stick my head in the sand for a $100 fridge | 07:39 |
| Macer | not to sound mean but i could care less about a person in china anyways :) | 07:39 |
| Macer | but that's just me. i'm selfish | 07:39 |
| budfive | Macer: you could NOT care less | 07:39 |
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| Macer | budfive: semantics ;) | 07:40 |
| budfive | Macer: polar opposite :) | 07:40 |
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| yigal | wow a plentitude of silence | 07:42 |
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| Macer | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yahoo.com#Criticism_and_controversy | 07:51 |
| Macer | good reading :) | 07:51 |
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| asj | heh the n900 doesn't like to have it's sim inserted while still on | 08:03 |
| Stskeeps | it is behind the battery is it not.. | 08:04 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 08:04 |
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| asj | Stskeeps: that's easily worked around :) | 08:04 |
| cheriff | does anyone know the difference between a USIM and a regular sim card? (turns out n900 doesn't like the former, which my network uses) | 08:05 |
| ieatlint | µSIM is what you mean, and your network undoubtedly uses both the classic SIM form factor and the new microsim | 08:05 |
| ieatlint | the difference is the micro SIM card is smaller | 08:06 |
| yigal | Macer: lol, awesome display of sarcasm via yahoo | 08:06 |
| cheriff | ieatlint: no, not micro-sim .. 'universal' sim apparently | 08:06 |
| cheriff | same form factor | 08:06 |
| ieatlint | att? | 08:07 |
| cheriff | Three (australia) | 08:07 |
| ieatlint | weird | 08:07 |
| asj | three most definately sells mini-sims | 08:07 |
| cheriff | back when they were the only 3G game in town it didn't matter so much | 08:07 |
| ieatlint | sorry, all i know is what wikipedia could tell me | 08:07 |
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| asj | (especially since I'm using 3 via telstra roaming right now) | 08:08 |
| cheriff | asj: they do micro cards to. just my 6700s 'usim' doesnt work in n900, but regular old sims work in it | 08:09 |
| asj | your 6700 has a mini-sim | 08:09 |
| cheriff | whatever the middle one is ;) smaller than a credit card, bigger than the iPad takes | 08:10 |
| asj | yes, mini-sim | 08:10 |
| cheriff | ok then its a mini USIM :) cheers for the correction | 08:10 |
| cheriff | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Subscriber_Identity_Module#USIM (didnt think to check wiki, d'oh!) | 08:10 |
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| asj | cheriff: but that shouldn't be a problem, the n900 does 3g on 2100mhz | 08:11 |
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| asj | all 3g "sim" are usims | 08:11 |
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| cheriff | ah, thats what i though .. just when i tried it it was giving 'no sim inserted' messages, and i just assumed it was buisness as normal - not being able to borrow a friend's unlocked phone unless they also were on 3 | 08:12 |
| cheriff | (above and beyone carrier-lockin) | 08:12 |
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| asj | well three might be doing something retarded with imei locking their sims or whatever that is, of all the carriers, never dealt with 3 | 08:13 |
| asj | http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum-replies-archive.cfm/1474986.html | 08:14 |
| asj | works for someone | 08:14 |
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| lpotter | 3 is "different" | 08:16 |
| cheriff | yeah :( now workie for me. not a big deal (only really needed a 'portable beagleboard') but was hoping to use as a decent phone sometimes also :) | 08:18 |
| cheriff | s/now/no/ | 08:18 |
| infobot | cheriff meant: yeah :( no workie for me. not a big deal (only really needed a 'portable beagleboard') but was hoping to use as a decent phone sometimes also :) | 08:18 |
| cheriff | why yes, yes I did. | 08:19 |
| asj | cheriff: just get a real carrier ;) | 08:19 |
| cheriff | :) | 08:20 |
| asj | could try calling them, dunoo | 08:20 |
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| cheriff | http://discussions.europe.nokia.com/t5/Maemo-Devices/Three-UK-sim-and-N900-any-update-yet/td-p/601864 seems to say 2.2009.51-1 fixes it, am still runnign stock FW | 08:21 |
| MiXu- | Hmm. I've never seen anything besides just one size of sims. | 08:21 |
| h4xordood | heyo :) | 08:21 |
| asj | cheriff: oh definately get pr1.2 | 08:21 |
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| h4xordood | how can i remove that boot time nokia video where one holds hand of the other ? | 08:22 |
| h4xordood | :/ | 08:22 |
| cheriff | asj: ok, will ceede to the 'get maemo 5' updates :) i was concerned since IME 'update' == 'lockout' | 08:22 |
| asj | cheriff: just don't f it up :) | 08:23 |
| cheriff | ok :) so long as bootmenu continues to work i'll be | 08:23 |
| cheriff | happy | 08:23 |
| ham5 | h4xordood: Go to /etc/hildon-welcome.d/ and edit the default.conf file comment (#) out the line | 08:23 |
| h4xordood | ham5, thnx :) | 08:24 |
| ham5 | np | 08:24 |
| h4xordood | i am new to maemo :) | 08:24 |
| h4xordood | well i installed bootmenu and updated it yesterday :) | 08:24 |
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| ham5 | coming from fedora you might like the meego better :) | 08:25 |
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| h4xordood | yeah i am fedora boy :) | 08:27 |
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| h4xordood | i am trying meego mmc install also | 08:27 |
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| MiXu- | I wonder if they'll ever fix the app manager | 08:33 |
| MiXu- | It takes forever just to show the list of repos | 08:33 |
| asj | MiXu-: install fapman | 08:33 |
| MiXu- | You would think it would be only a simple cat /etc/apt/sources.list -> parse -> show. | 08:34 |
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| MiXu- | asj: Is it better? | 08:35 |
| asj | MiXu-: no it's worse that's why I suggested it ;p | 08:35 |
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| asj | MiXu-: of course it's better, it's full name is Fast App Manager, so it's faster ;) | 08:35 |
| MiXu- | If it's open source, you can never know without asking ;) | 08:35 |
| MiXu- | It's like "Yeah, go ahead and install ubuntu. Even your grandma can use it." | 08:36 |
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| ham5 | MiXu- you can use apt | 08:36 |
| MiXu- | And then the first howto you come across involves command line ;) | 08:36 |
| MiXu- | ham5: Sure, but it's not very convenient | 08:36 |
| ham5 | just looking to browse ? | 08:37 |
| MiXu- | ham5: yeah | 08:37 |
| asj | fapman, serisouly :) | 08:37 |
| ham5 | http://maemo.org/packages/repository/ ? | 08:37 |
| MiXu- | Hmm. That works. | 08:38 |
| ham5 | I do agree about their app manager tho | 08:39 |
| ham5 | to much refreshing | 08:39 |
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| slonopotamus | what's so private in maemo bugzilla so it needs to be secured via ssl, tell me? | 08:43 |
| Stskeeps | slonopotamus: passwords? | 08:44 |
| slonopotamus | s/be secured/be served/ | 08:44 |
| infobot | slonopotamus meant: what's so private in maemo bugzilla so it needs to be served via ssl, tell me? | 08:44 |
| slonopotamus | Stskeeps: t.m.o. also has passwords, so what? | 08:44 |
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| Stskeeps | any login ought to have ssl | 08:45 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 08:45 |
| Corsac | (agreed) | 08:45 |
| asj | slonopotamus: why do you put letters in an envelop and not use post cards for everything? | 08:45 |
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| slonopotamus | ~ping | 08:46 |
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| infobot | ~pong | 08:46 |
| ham5 | anyone flood that bot off? | 08:47 |
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| slonopotamus | asj: irrelevant. i don't use snail-mail. also, man ciphers. | 08:49 |
| asj | slonopotamus: <boggle> | 08:49 |
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| luke-jr | so | 09:04 |
| luke-jr | GPS "valid data" -- SOLVED | 09:04 |
| luke-jr | as well as parsing an actual subpacket format | 09:04 |
| luke-jr | and # of available sats | 09:04 |
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| luke-jr | do we have an app that can just dump location API data to stdout? | 09:06 |
| luke-jr | specifically, something including all the satellite data | 09:06 |
| luke-jr | I threw together a Python script for my earlier work, but … (FIXME: currently "satellites" and "cell_info" attributes are not supported in Python):" | 09:07 |
| Corsac | luke-jr: maybe to high level, but can't minigpsd do something like that? | 09:08 |
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| luke-jr | … | 09:08 |
| luke-jr | AFAIK minigpsd doesn't support N900 | 09:08 |
| Corsac | oh | 09:08 |
| Corsac | that's a good point indeed | 09:08 |
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| luke-jr | Corsac: if it did, all my work would be a waste XD | 09:10 |
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| Corsac | I though minigpsd was using the api or something :) | 09:11 |
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| luke-jr | ah | 09:15 |
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| MiXu- | Have you guys tested FF 4 beta? | 09:20 |
| MiXu- | The change they've made with the title bar is completely pointless. | 09:20 |
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| MiXu- | It doesn't save screen space, it's just more bling and sort of looks like how chrome does it. | 09:21 |
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| luke-jr | can someone send me the liblocation0-dev headers? :/ | 09:35 |
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| PontusOhman | Hmm... My acc @ maemo.org just disaperead... Tryied to login in, but nope! Tryied to request my user+pass with the registered mail but then I got not valid mail! WT* | 09:50 |
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| n0727_ | hi everyone. | 10:01 |
| n0727_ | is there anyone who's developed an SDL based game/app for n900? | 10:02 |
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| Stskeeps | morning andre__ | 10:05 |
| andre__ | heja | 10:05 |
| n0727_ | hello.. | 10:06 |
| n0727_ | is this a good place to asking coding questions on n900? | 10:07 |
| ham5 | godda be better sdl specific channels | 10:08 |
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| n0727_ | thanks. how do I find those sdl channels? | 10:10 |
| n0727_ | #maemo-sdl? | 10:10 |
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| budfive | how about #sdl? | 10:10 |
| n0727_ | ok. I'll give it a try. | 10:12 |
| n0727_ | it seems #sdl does not exist. | 10:12 |
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| budfive | yes it does | 10:18 |
| budfive | 62 people in it | 10:18 |
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| n0727_ | alright. it does exist. thanks. | 10:19 |
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| jacekowski | morning | 10:20 |
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| jacekowski | n0727_: #maemo-devel | 10:20 |
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| luke-jr | Stskeeps: poke | 10:27 |
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| Stskeeps | mm? | 10:27 |
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| luke-jr | Stskeeps: got liblocation headers? :p | 10:29 |
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| Stskeeps | not handy | 10:29 |
| luke-jr | Stskeeps: or even more ideally a simple app to dump liblocation data? | 10:29 |
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| jacekowski | luke-jr: do you have list of that stuff in that packet? | 10:33 |
| luke-jr | jacekowski: ? | 10:33 |
| jacekowski | from cellmo | 10:33 |
| jacekowski | from gps | 10:33 |
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| luke-jr | I have everything decompiled except detailed satellite info and cell_info I think | 10:34 |
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| jacekowski | where is the list? | 10:34 |
| luke-jr | http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_GPS_Reverse_Engineering is an old version | 10:34 |
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| luke-jr | pre-subpacket | 10:35 |
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| MohammadAG51 | 24,25,26(,27?) = longitude / 360 * 256*256*256(*256?) wtf | 10:40 |
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| jacekowski | all these values are either double or float | 10:43 |
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| luke-jr | jacekowski: why? | 10:47 |
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| jacekowski | well, that's most likely option | 10:48 |
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| MohammadAG | Nokia-N900:~# flash | 11:01 |
| MohammadAG | flash_erase flash_info flash_otp_dump flash_unlock flasher | 11:01 |
| MohammadAG | flash_eraseall flash_lock flash_otp_info flashcp flashlauncher | 11:01 |
| MohammadAG | where the hell did those come from | 11:01 |
| Stskeeps | bootmenu? | 11:02 |
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| MohammadAG | mtd-utils | 11:03 |
| crashanddie | MohammadAG: neopwn.com website updated | 11:04 |
| crashanddie | http://www.neopwn.com/release.php | 11:04 |
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| crashanddie | they're plonkers, as usual | 11:05 |
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| MohammadAG | bah | 11:06 |
| MohammadAG | they could release the driver, it's what's really needed anyways | 11:07 |
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| MohammadAG | the rest can be installed on maemo | 11:07 |
| crashanddie | fucking stupid shitty drama queens | 11:08 |
| crashanddie | boo fucking hoo, a dev left you? Piss. | 11:08 |
| crashanddie | off. | 11:08 |
| Stskeeps | the dev that did all the worK? | 11:09 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 11:09 |
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| crashanddie | nha, he goes into a little tirade over open source, and how difficult it is to keep a project afloat if you're not the main dev | 11:09 |
| Jaffa | Morning, all | 11:09 |
| luke-jr | jacekowski: not at all | 11:09 |
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| luke-jr | jacekowski: seeing as I've decoded most everything and none of it seems to be float/double | 11:10 |
| crashanddie | morning Jaffa | 11:10 |
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| MohammadAG | crashanddie, tbh, something tells me the whole injection thing was fake | 11:10 |
| crashanddie | well, the screencast we've seen is nothing really | 11:11 |
| MohammadAG | indeed | 11:11 |
| crashanddie | I mean, I can write the same GUI in about 20 minutes flat | 11:11 |
| MohammadAG | 5 if you're using Qt designer | 11:11 |
| crashanddie | no, 20 cuz I'm typing on the N900 :P | 11:11 |
| MohammadAG | lol | 11:11 |
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| crashanddie | I've been sceptic since the beginning | 11:11 |
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| MohammadAG | and the demo in terminal could be ssh | 11:12 |
| crashanddie | well, even that could be fake, really | 11:12 |
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| crashanddie | maybe they just wanted free tickets to defcon and BH? | 11:12 |
| MohammadAG | they didn't specifically show the wl1251 driver being loaded | 11:12 |
| MohammadAG | crashanddie, who'd want those | 11:13 |
| crashanddie | well, they are a pretty big deal, mate | 11:13 |
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| MohammadAG | meh | 11:14 |
| MohammadAG | on a side note, plugin-container needs to die | 11:14 |
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| jacekowski | what are you talking about again | 11:15 |
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| MohammadAG | injection with the wl1251 | 11:16 |
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| jacekowski | well, wl1251 is open source | 11:16 |
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| jacekowski | besides, if card doesn't have problem with mac changes then it shouldn't have any problems with packet injection | 11:21 |
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| MohammadAG | jacekowski, I'm sure no one here would patch it to support injection | 11:22 |
| Stskeeps | isn't it mac80211 that has to be patched instead? | 11:22 |
| jacekowski | MohammadAG: why? | 11:22 |
| MohammadAG | jacekowski, no motive? | 11:23 |
| jacekowski | well, i could do it just for sake of doing it | 11:23 |
| jacekowski | but recently i don't have time for that sort of things | 11:23 |
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| jacekowski | so i suppose your point still stands | 11:24 |
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| MohammadAG | is this even possible? http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=766125#post766125 | 11:28 |
| MohammadAG | isn't the IMEI stored in cal? | 11:28 |
| luke-jr | I thought the SIM? | 11:30 |
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| MohammadAG | err, no | 11:30 |
| MohammadAG | that's IMSI iirc | 11:30 |
| sandstorm | from time to time the icons on my desktop stops responding and do not trigger the execution of the correlated application until reboot, what might be the workaround? thanks alot. | 11:31 |
| sandstorm | and the reasons. | 11:31 |
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| ham5 | I check out top next time see if anything is taking up alot of cpu time something is locking up | 11:34 |
| Stskeeps | IMEI is probably in the cellmo. | 11:35 |
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| jacekowski | MohammadAG51: imei isn't in cal | 11:38 |
| jacekowski | MohammadAG51: imei is in rapuyama and copy of it is in cal | 11:38 |
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| chem|st | sandstorm: hildon-home frozen by a thirdparty app | 11:46 |
| timeless_mbp | anyone here familiar w/ DVDs? | 11:47 |
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| timeless_mbp | there's some sort of programming language for them | 11:47 |
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| chem|st | sandstorm: get a shell, become root and apt-get remove hildon-desktop-python-loader | 11:47 |
| timeless_mbp | what is it? :) | 11:47 |
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| chem|st | sandstorm: and all what it tells to uninstall with it | 11:47 |
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| chem|st | sandstorm: restart hildon-home with "dsmetool -k /usr/bin/hildon-home" to stop and "dsmetool -t /usr/bin/hildon-home" to start it again | 11:48 |
| Jucato | good day/afternoon/evening! I have some beginner development questions. what is the preferred SDK now for developing (most probably Qt apps) for Maemo 5 (on Linux): the regular SDK (the one installed by the python script) or Nokia Qt SDK? | 11:49 |
| MiXu- | I use Nokia Qt SDK | 11:50 |
| chem|st | Jucato: what you prefer... for pythonQt you can just ssh to your phone or use the sdk for example | 11:50 |
| Jucato | how do you set up the Maemo Emulator in the Nokia Qt SDK? I don't have a phone yet (but it might be coming if I can get a dev environment up asap :) | 11:51 |
| Jucato | chem|st: for now, C++ (I'm not that knowledgeable of python yet) | 11:51 |
| chem|st | Jucato: Maemo emulator is installed and configured as part of the Nokia Qt SDK package | 11:52 |
| chem|st | thats for qtcreator at least | 11:52 |
| sandstorm | chem|st: why do I need to uninstall python loader? | 11:53 |
| Jucato | hm ... let me check again. a while ago it wasn't | 11:53 |
| chem|st | sandstorm: I guess some of your (or just one) python hacked widgets is having a bad day... | 11:54 |
| chem|st | Jucato: well the howto guides to attaching real n900 only... | 11:55 |
| chem|st | no idea! | 11:55 |
| Jucato | chem|st: exactly :( | 11:55 |
| Jucato | Tools -> Options -> Projects page -> Maemo Device COnfiguration tab. I set it to use Maemo emulator, but when I click on Test, it goes "Device configuration test failed: Could not connect to host. Did you start Qemu?" | 11:56 |
| sandstorm | chem|st: hmm thank you very much for the workaround | 11:56 |
| sandstorm | and suggestions | 11:56 |
| chem|st | Jucato: you have to set the build target to maemo to get the button shown it says | 11:56 |
| chem|st | sandstorm: for just get it out of that state you may restart with dsmetool but that wont solve the problem | 11:57 |
| Jucato | so I tried using the older SDK, it downloaded the scratchbox packages, then failed later on at the installation, saying it couldn't find /scratbox (because I set SB_PATH to /opt/scratchbox because I'm on Fedora). so I started the installer again with the default path and now it's downloading all the scratchbox packages again! :) | 11:58 |
| chem|st | Jucato: yeah scratchbox is installed without fedora repos in that case | 11:59 |
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| Jucato | chem|st: yep the button is there. but it won't start. hm ... but now I'm even having build problems on a fresh new Qt Mobile project (set to Maemo taret) "Command dh_installdirs failed" | 12:01 |
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| Jucato | heh this is fun >.< | 12:03 |
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| ali_ | hi, does anyone knows the style of the pinyin/zhuyin/.. mode in the MTF IMF of the meego/maemo6 | 12:27 |
| ali_ | infobot:: do you know where to find the source code for those pinyin/zhuyin... mode? | 12:29 |
| infobot | yes, I know where to find the source code for those pinyin/zhuyin... mode. | 12:29 |
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| sandstorm | chem|st: exactly, that wont solve the problem but if I could, I wish to reveal the actual problem which causes hildon to hung | 12:31 |
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| Jucato | SDK installer failed 2nd time. I'm doing it manually piece by piece >.< | 12:44 |
| Jucato | anyone here successfully installed any SDK (original one or Nokia Qt) on Fedora? :) | 12:46 |
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| andre__ | and the failure is...? | 12:50 |
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| Jucato | E: Scratchbox bind mount for user not present. E: Start scratchbox service with 'sudo /scratchbox/sbin/sbox_ctl start'. E: Specify an alternative installation path using '-s PATH' option. | 12:53 |
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| chem|st | sandstorm: and that is one of the 3rd party widgets and most of the time it is a python one | 12:57 |
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| chem|st | ali_: ==> #meego | 12:58 |
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| MohammadAG | Jucato, then execute sudo /scratchbox/sbin/sbox_ctl start | 13:06 |
| MohammadAG | Not sure, but I think Fedora doesn't have upstart | 13:06 |
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| MohammadAG | jacekowski, does your fmtxd binary ignore USB cables? | 13:15 |
| jacekowski | yep | 13:15 |
| jacekowski | it ignores all kind of shit | 13:16 |
| jacekowski | thing is that UI still has checks for headphones | 13:16 |
| jacekowski | so if you have headphones plugged in you can't switch it on | 13:16 |
| jacekowski | or do something | 13:16 |
| MohammadAG | so it's a wordaround for http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=59249 ? | 13:16 |
| jacekowski | but it will continue to work | 13:16 |
| jacekowski | yes | 13:16 |
| Duckboot | Hrmf - FCam and Power Kernel does not wanna be friends. | 13:17 |
| jacekowski | Duckboot: yep | 13:17 |
| MohammadAG | I guess you're replying to that thread | 13:17 |
| jacekowski | Duckboot: you have to compile modules on your own | 13:17 |
| MohammadAG | Duckboot, compile the modules | 13:17 |
| jacekowski | MohammadAG: hmm, i can reply to it | 13:17 |
| MohammadAG | Duckboot, or use the precompiled ones | 13:17 |
| Duckboot | jacekowski: Aah - Kk | 13:17 |
| MohammadAG | jacekowski, ty, I need a link to it anyways :) | 13:17 |
| Duckboot | MohammadAG: Precompiled - Are there any for kernel-power? | 13:18 |
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| ali_ | chem|st: you mean that I should ask this question in #meego channel? | 13:18 |
| MohammadAG | Duckboot, yes, I'll see if I can get a link | 13:18 |
| jacekowski | MohammadAG: hmm, some people may think that it's an advertising or something | 13:18 |
| ali_ | chem|st: I asked, but nobody answered. :- | 13:18 |
| Duckboot | MohammadAG: Excellent - thanks alot. | 13:18 |
| jacekowski | MohammadAG: maybe it will be better if you reply | 13:18 |
| MohammadAG | jacekowski, it's your work | 13:18 |
| MohammadAG | jacekowski, how is it advertising anyways, you're not getting paid for it | 13:19 |
| MohammadAG | Duckboot, http://n900.tannerlab.com/kernel/fcam/fcam-drivers_1.0.5-1_armel.deb | 13:19 |
| ali_ | infobot: what's you meaning? where? could you tell me? | 13:19 |
| jacekowski | ~seen t-tan | 13:19 |
| [DarkGUNMAN] | Good morning | 13:19 |
| infobot | t-tan <~tanner@e179094244.adsl.alicedsl.de> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 45d 14h 38m 56s ago, saying: 'smoking hot device?'. | 13:19 |
| MohammadAG | ali_, infobot is a bot (duh), it can only reply to what was defined | 13:20 |
| Duckboot | MohammadAG: Thank you | 13:20 |
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| jacekowski | MohammadAG: do you have any life outside of t.m.o? | 13:22 |
| MohammadAG | jacekowski, lol yeah, why? | 13:22 |
| jacekowski | well, you've noticed that thread 5 minutes after it was created | 13:23 |
| MohammadAG | heh | 13:23 |
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| ali_ | MohammadAG: oh, -_- thank you | 13:32 |
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| RZ | I cannot find the ! and ? sign on the virtual keyboard for Slovenian language | 13:33 |
| RZ | Any ideas? | 13:33 |
| MohammadAG | jacekowski, what's the kernel module for the fmtx | 13:33 |
| SpeedEvil | look in category:n900 hardware - i think I wrote it down | 13:35 |
| jacekowski | silsomething i think | 13:35 |
| jacekowski | fmtx-si4713 | 13:35 |
| barisione | Robot101, DocScrutinizer: I have code that makes the ringtone faster, just that it plays at the wrong volume atm :-/ | 13:36 |
| MohammadAG | hmm, can't find the .c file for it | 13:36 |
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| jacekowski | well, i can | 13:36 |
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| MohammadAG | fmtx-si4713.mod.c? | 13:37 |
| jacekowski | ./drivers/media/radio/si4713.c | 13:37 |
| jacekowski | or | 13:37 |
| jacekowski | ./drivers/media/radio/radio-si4713.c | 13:37 |
| jacekowski | one of these | 13:37 |
| jacekowski | i don't remember | 13:37 |
| MohammadAG | oh, ty | 13:37 |
| MohammadAG | drivers/media/radio/si4713.c, t | 13:39 |
| MohammadAG | y | 13:39 |
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| MohammadAG | hmm | 13:43 |
| MohammadAG | so the fmtx supports 87500, but the UI doesn't | 13:43 |
| MohammadAG | weird | 13:43 |
| X-Fade | Depends on the firmware variant. | 13:43 |
| X-Fade | Local laws might prevent that. | 13:43 |
| MohammadAG | country variants are defined in the module apparently | 13:44 |
| SpeedEvil | doesn't depend on firmware | 13:44 |
| SpeedEvil | oh | 13:44 |
| SpeedEvil | right | 13:44 |
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| SpeedEvil | I suppose if you call linux + stack firmware, then yes | 13:44 |
| jacekowski | MohammadAG: fmtx supports 73mhz | 13:44 |
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| MohammadAG | example, US step is set to 20, EU is set to 10 | 13:44 |
| MohammadAG | I'm setting US to 10, my device is a US one anyways | 13:44 |
| MohammadAG | jacekowski, hmm? | 13:45 |
| jacekowski | you can go down to 73MHz | 13:45 |
| MohammadAG | how | 13:45 |
| jacekowski | 76* | 13:45 |
| jacekowski | echo 3 > /sys/somewhere | 13:46 |
| jacekowski | or | 13:46 |
| jacekowski | echo 4 > /sys/somewhere | 13:46 |
| jacekowski | 4 is better | 13:46 |
| jacekowski | but then there is still UI problem | 13:46 |
| MohammadAG | isn't the fmtx region defined in cal? | 13:46 |
| jacekowski | no | 13:46 |
| jacekowski | well, yes | 13:47 |
| jacekowski | but no | 13:47 |
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| jacekowski | do you understand? | 13:47 |
| MohammadAG | kind of :P | 13:47 |
| kerio | defined, but the sw can just happily ignore it? | 13:48 |
| jacekowski | /sys/bus/i2c/devices/2-0063/region | 13:48 |
| jacekowski | that's where you change region | 13:48 |
| SpeedEvil | The hardware is I2C | 13:48 |
| jacekowski | module defaults to 2 i think | 13:48 |
| Corsac | it should take the region from qtmobility! | 13:48 |
| SpeedEvil | you can unload the module, and talk to it completely raw | 13:48 |
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| jacekowski | you don't have to | 13:49 |
| jacekowski | there is nothing in module | 13:49 |
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| jacekowski | only thing that fmtxd is interested in is fmtxd_pwl | 13:50 |
| jacekowski | which contains power level settings | 13:50 |
| jacekowski | but it reads max and min frequencies and step from /sys | 13:50 |
| jacekowski | on startup | 13:50 |
| jacekowski | so fmtxd isn't a problem | 13:50 |
| jacekowski | it's GUI that's messing with stuff | 13:51 |
| kerio | jacekowski: does your edited fmtxd allow for all these things? | 13:51 |
| jacekowski | fmtxd - yes | 13:51 |
| * MohammadAG sets #define DEFAULT_POWER_LEVEL88 to 118 | 13:52 | |
| jacekowski | but you have to use fmtx_client | 13:52 |
| jacekowski | MohammadAG: normal fmtxd will reduce it anyways | 13:52 |
| jacekowski | kerio: because libhildonsomethingdoingsomethingwithfmtx.so has it's own checks for region, headphones and stuff | 13:53 |
| jacekowski | libhildonfm.so.2.0.0 | 13:53 |
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| Corsac | mine goes to eleven | 13:53 |
| jacekowski | 300k for a .so with 3 buttons | 13:53 |
| * lcuk sets MohammadAG DEFAULT_POWER_LEVEL to OVER 9000! | 13:54 | |
| * MohammadAG implodes | 13:54 | |
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| jacekowski | lcuk: you're still messing with 4chan i see | 13:54 |
| lcuk | nahh over 9000 has been around for yonks | 13:55 |
| Duckboot | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SiMHTK15Pik | 13:56 |
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| MohammadAG | hmm | 13:59 |
| MohammadAG | I wonder if the FMTX supports 5 steps | 13:59 |
| MohammadAG | as in .5MHz | 14:00 |
| jacekowski | yes | 14:00 |
| jacekowski | but .5MHz is 50 | 14:00 |
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| MohammadAG | static struct region_info region_configs[] = { | 14:01 |
| MohammadAG | /* USA */ | 14:01 |
| MohammadAG | { | 14:01 |
| MohammadAG | .channel_spacing= 5, | 14:01 |
| jacekowski | but again | 14:03 |
| jacekowski | gui can only do 0.1MHz | 14:03 |
| MohammadAG | screw it | 14:04 |
| jacekowski | ehh | 14:06 |
| jacekowski | http://jacekowski.org/Maemo/Chromium#comments | 14:06 |
| jacekowski | read that | 14:06 |
| jacekowski | hey bro wassup i cant find the way to download chromium what can i do ? | 14:06 |
| jacekowski | plzzz send me libxss file on my id | 14:06 |
| jacekowski | greatbang_ash@hotmail.com | 14:06 |
| MohammadAG | turn off comments | 14:06 |
| jacekowski | yeah, i was thinking about that | 14:07 |
| jacekowski | but why people are soooooooooooooooooooo stupid | 14:07 |
| MohammadAG | make an .install file, saves you the time to explain how to add a repo | 14:08 |
| Wolfie | waagh... apple store is down. this means most probably new imacs. which means it's time to decide whether to buy a genuine one, or lose my mind building a hackintosh :/ | 14:09 |
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| jacekowski | Wolfie: or buy a real PC | 14:09 |
| Dantonic | omg... imacs... | 14:10 |
| Dantonic | ew | 14:10 |
| Wolfie | jacekowski: no thanks. I already have a linux server, and a Windows netbook | 14:11 |
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| Wolfie | it's just my mac that needs replacement | 14:11 |
| MohammadAG | jacekowski, turn off comments and http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=9ajDp4cU | 14:11 |
| jacekowski | nah, people will just start sending me e-mails | 14:12 |
| MohammadAG | then don't turn off comments but add the .install file | 14:12 |
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| MohammadAG | you could add a package = line | 14:13 |
| MohammadAG | package = chromium-browser | 14:13 |
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| MohammadAG | or whatever you called the package | 14:13 |
| jacekowski | really, | 14:14 |
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| jacekowski | people that are too stupid to understand that post don't deserve to have chromium | 14:14 |
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| PolarFox | Does N900 put some SMS messages to /dev/null? :) I can't seem to get VCAL messages :( | 14:37 |
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| frals | PolarFox: sure they arent being sent as mms? | 14:50 |
| PolarFox | yeah.. I'm sure. I sent them myself. And they work ok with our test phone (N97) | 14:50 |
| PolarFox | and Android phone just shows the VCAL as text.. | 14:51 |
| PolarFox | But my N900 doesn't show it at all :) | 14:51 |
| PolarFox | All with the same sim card.. and same system sending the messages. | 14:51 |
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| frals | whatsystem is sending the messages? | 14:52 |
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| frals | anyway, dbus-monitor shows stuff whenever an incoming sms is received, could take a look there if it shows up | 14:53 |
| frals | (have to be runningi when the sms is sent ) | 14:53 |
| PolarFox | It's a top sicrit SMS gateway, that is in production use already.. :) | 14:53 |
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| PolarFox | Nothing in the dbus-monitor suggests that SMS was ever received... | 14:59 |
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| kerio | 10$ dumbphone 1 - n900 0 | 15:04 |
| kerio | or, to be more precise, 10$ dumbphone 1 - n900 581758371835782578125 | 15:05 |
| SpeedEvil | ITYM | 15:05 |
| SpeedEvil | 0$ dumbphone 1 - n900 581758371835782578124 | 15:05 |
| SpeedEvil | you forgot to subtract the 1 | 15:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer | barisione: you've read the suggestion to use a fifo in .local/sounds with name of ringtone - then feed that fifo with a process deciding which ringtone to pipe in there? | 15:08 |
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| kerio | SpeedEvil: i did | 15:09 |
| kerio | it was 581758371835782578126 | 15:09 |
| PolarFox | frals: I sent the message from N900 to my number... Didn't arrive.. :) | 15:10 |
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| PolarFox | So sending VCAL SMS messages to N900 doesn't work.. and I have to go home. :) | 15:12 |
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| parigaudi | hi | 15:13 |
| Venemo | hi | 15:14 |
| Venemo | PolarFox: are you the same PolarFox whom I know from high school? | 15:15 |
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| PolarFox | Venemo: I doubt that ;) | 15:16 |
| Venemo | PolarFox: okay, it seems your nicks are accidentally the same :) | 15:16 |
| Venemo | PolarFox: sorry, but I had to ask :) | 15:16 |
| PolarFox | That has been a problem in the past.. :) | 15:16 |
| PolarFox | That's why I have registered this in freenode ;) | 15:17 |
| PolarFox | I still get weird messages in IRCnet | 15:17 |
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| Venemo | PolarFox: sorry for that. | 15:20 |
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| kakashi_ | Hi, I am having a strange problem, I can't find skype protocol on the phone, even if it says skype is installed | 15:33 |
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| kakashi_ | is there anyway out of this ? | 15:33 |
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| kerio | try uninstalling/reinstalling? | 15:33 |
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| GuySoft | hey, is there a 'remember the milk' app for maemo? or is there a similar service? | 15:36 |
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| the_lord | I think apt-get install nolazy works | 15:37 |
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| SpeedEvil | GuySoft I vaguely remember a milk related app | 15:41 |
| SpeedEvil | GuySoft: 'Daddies little helper' ? | 15:41 |
| Corsac | moo | 15:41 |
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| Duckboot | GuySoft: NoLazy | 15:43 |
| GuySoft | Duckboot, is that another service? | 15:43 |
| Duckboot | http://maemo.org/packages/view/nolazy/ | 15:43 |
| GuySoft | moo is not downlodable | 15:44 |
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| Duckboot | http://www.my-maemo.com/software/applications.php?name=Daddys_Little_Helper&faq=43&fldAuto=1201 | 15:44 |
| GuySoft | Duckboot, thanks :) | 15:44 |
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| Duckboot | GuySoft: Daddy's little Helper has a desktop widget too. | 15:44 |
| GuySoft | does not seem to work for maemo | 15:45 |
| Duckboot | Compatibility | 15:45 |
| Duckboot | Maemo 5 | 15:45 |
| Duckboot | Should be. | 15:45 |
| GuySoft | Duckboot, i have a N810 | 15:45 |
| Duckboot | Aah | 15:45 |
| Myrtti | "those little things..." | 15:46 |
| Duckboot | GuySoft: http://zutun.garage.maemo.org/ | 15:48 |
| haj | hm.. isn't it a bit shitty.. that instinctive player? | 15:48 |
| haj | mine has been saying "Analyzing, please come back later" when trying instinctive shuffle every time i have tried it.... ever since the first release | 15:48 |
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| haj | even after having it started all night without playing.. :) | 15:49 |
| alterego | I heard it was slow and cwappy compared to the inbuilt player that's just a teeny bit glitchy :) | 15:49 |
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| haj | alterego: I actually quite like the build in player... :) | 15:50 |
| haj | but then... I also tend to use Windows Media Player on my PC.. ;) | 15:50 |
| haj | mostly because I'm too lazy to install anything else | 15:50 |
| barisione | DocScrutinizer: a fifo for what? | 15:51 |
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| GuySoft | Duckboot, ztun crashes, and does not let you review the tasks, only add them | 15:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | barisione: as default playback-ringtone.wav - so dialer/whatever deals with all the volume and gstreamer and whatnot setup, and you just decide about the audio data to feed in :-) | 15:54 |
| Duckboot | GuySoft: Then I haven't got any more suggestions - sorry. | 15:54 |
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| DocScrutinizer | barisione: you can switc ringtones on the fly then, while playback is going on | 15:55 |
| barisione | DocScrutinizer: it cannot work, as the playing of the ringtone could start before I choose what to play | 15:56 |
| alterego | haj: I like it too :P | 15:56 |
| GuySoft | Duckboot, i can try and look at NoLazy. maybe i can get it to compile | 15:56 |
| D-Iivil_Work | Hello! | 15:56 |
| GuySoft | does anyone use NoLazy? | 15:56 |
| D-Iivil_Work | alterego, you have a minute? | 15:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | barisione: that's why I say you can switch on the fly :-D | 15:56 |
| alterego | D-Iivil_Work: maybe go ahead. | 15:56 |
| barisione | the process that reads the file will have already opened the other ringtone and so only that one would play | 15:57 |
| haj | alterego: But I'd like to know if it can even work that instinctive stuff :) | 15:57 |
| D-Iivil_Work | alterego, can you help me with adding QT / C app's source to package and make autobuilder build it for me? | 15:57 |
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| D-Iivil_Work | alterego, I mean with the rest of the package. (I want to include source of my Plastic Theme Setup with the theme package instead of just putting binary-file in the package). | 15:57 |
| alterego | D-Iivil_Work: that might be a bit too in depth as I'm about to go into an interview... | 15:57 |
| haj | alterego: hah.. it's silly that instinctive puts the phone tones in the playlist.. and quite confusing.. :) | 15:57 |
| D-Iivil_Work | alterego, okay :) | 15:58 |
| D-Iivil_Work | alterego, then I'll just google a bit more and try to figure it out from files that QT Creator makes... | 15:58 |
| alterego | haj: it's silly that the inbuilt image viewer indexes all my icons too :P | 15:58 |
| alterego | D-Iivil_Work: you should just need the .pro file with your source and put all the QT and platform deps in you debian/control file. | 15:59 |
| D-Iivil_Work | alterego, really? Is it that easy? | 15:59 |
| alterego | Should be, oh and add the build process as you would enter it on the command line into you debian/rules file. | 16:00 |
| D-Iivil_Work | alterego, I mean I must somewhere specify into what folder will the binary be built etc. | 16:00 |
| D-Iivil_Work | alterego, what would the proper command be to put in rules -file? | 16:01 |
| D-Iivil_Work | alterego, and please don't mind me asking, just go to the interview when you have to :P | 16:01 |
| alterego | something like: qmake myproject.pro | 16:01 |
| alterego | then make | 16:01 |
| haj | alterego: that also... actually it might be sufficient to say: It's silly | 16:01 |
| D-Iivil_Work | alterego, okay, I'll investigate from here. | 16:01 |
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| D-Iivil_Work | alterego, thanks. | 16:01 |
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| alterego | and: DESTDIR=$(BASEDIR)/debian/myproject/opt/myproject make install | 16:02 |
| alterego | or something like that, my variable names are probably wrong. | 16:02 |
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| D-Iivil_Work | alterego, well, I'll take it from here and try to survive :) | 16:03 |
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| alterego | Sounds like there are some delays, I might be waiting some time... | 16:03 |
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| D-Iivil_Work | alterego, hmm... in the rules-file that's generated by QT creator it says only these: | 16:09 |
| D-Iivil_Work | build-stamp: configure-stamp | 16:10 |
| D-Iivil_Work | dh_testdir | 16:10 |
| D-Iivil_Work | $(MAKE) | 16:10 |
| D-Iivil_Work | touch $@ | 16:10 |
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| D-Iivil_Work | oops, wrong place. | 16:10 |
| D-Iivil_Work | alterego, this: http://www.pastie.org/1062057 | 16:10 |
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| D-Iivil_Work | alterego, so is it enough if I place the source files and the .pro -file in the root of my package's folder and add those commands into the rules-file? | 16:11 |
| D-Iivil_Work | alterego, and ofcource specify the install-folder | 16:11 |
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| alterego | yes | 16:13 |
| D-Iivil_Work | alterego, and it won't mess up the other stuff that's being built by autobuilder? | 16:13 |
| alterego | Maybe look at someone elses Qt based packaging file to make sure of the syntax and variable names. | 16:13 |
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| D-Iivil_Work | alterego, coz' there's a bunch of $(MAKE)'s already in my rules -file... | 16:14 |
| alterego | You use make? | 16:15 |
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| D-Iivil_Work | alterego, well it's already there. I'm using a template by stskeeps. | 16:15 |
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| D-Iivil_Work | alterego, it's a template of theme that's being built by autobuilder. | 16:15 |
| mc_teo | is there any mic recorder in python around | 16:15 |
| mc_teo | something like recaller would be ideal, but not as a widget | 16:16 |
| D-Iivil_Work | alterego, here's the current rules-file: http://www.pastie.org/1062061 | 16:16 |
| D-Iivil_Work | alterego, and right now I'm just copying the pre-compiled bin into the place I want (that's done @ line 83 in rules-file). | 16:16 |
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| alterego | Yeah, can see that. You'll need to replace that with a make install | 16:21 |
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| mc_teo | as a test, i started taking bits of gstreamer nessisary parts from recaller, but although it records, and saves it | 16:21 |
| mc_teo | media player cant open it | 16:21 |
| D-Iivil_Work | alterego, but what's confusing me is that there's already a $(MAKE) install DESTDIR=$(CURDIR)/debian/$(PKGNAME); \ | 16:22 |
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| D-Iivil_Work | alterego, so adding another one doesn't make sense to me :-D | 16:23 |
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| kerio | hmm... libsdl-mixer1.2 is being kept back | 16:27 |
| D-Iivil_Work | kerio, same | 16:28 |
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| D-Iivil_Work | kerio, I mean on my device. | 16:28 |
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| kerio | and HAM reports some things as being not updated while apt reports other things | 16:28 |
| kerio | :| | 16:28 |
| RST38h | According to a new study the psychological profile of iPad owners can be summed up as "selfish elites" while have-not critics are "independent geeks." | 16:28 |
| RST38h | eek. | 16:28 |
| kerio | i'll let my trusty fapman deal with this | 16:28 |
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| kerio | WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated! | 16:31 |
| kerio | python-all python python-minimal python-osso | 16:31 |
| kerio | the fuck | 16:31 |
| MohammadAG | hit y and enter | 16:31 |
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| albanc | lcuk, do you know how to get the sources of kernel power? | 16:35 |
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| toggles_w | albanc: apt-get source kernel-power? | 16:39 |
| toggles_w | albanc: http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/fremantle-1.2/free/source/k/kernel-power | 16:40 |
| luke-jr | is there any app to display satellite elevation and azimuth? :/ | 16:40 |
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| ShadowJK | you could just pretend the sky is rectangular | 16:41 |
| ShadowJK | like I did | 16:41 |
| Corsac | isn't it? | 16:41 |
| MohammadAG | lol | 16:41 |
| luke-jr | not visually | 16:41 |
| luke-jr | just the numbers | 16:41 |
| Corsac | :) | 16:41 |
| ShadowJK | http://enivax.net/jk/gps-10hrsatplot.png | 16:41 |
| albanc | toggles_w, thx | 16:41 |
| ShadowJK | oh.. | 16:41 |
| Corsac | luke-jr: I guess you already check the usual apps (maep, location-test-gui, mapper etc.)? | 16:42 |
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| luke-jr | Corsac: the -test-gui sounds interesting, but my apt has it not | 16:42 |
| Stskeeps | it's in fremantle sdk non-free tools | 16:43 |
| ShadowJK | lcoation-test-gui doesn't do it | 16:43 |
| luke-jr | Stskeeps: apt line? | 16:43 |
| zeltak | hya guys. anyone knows how to get bash to be the defauly shell (i googled for it but most of the people who tired nuked their systems :)) | 16:43 |
| ShadowJK | it's easiest to just type bash after starting x-terminal | 16:43 |
| zeltak | gotcha...thats how i did it so fat | 16:44 |
| Stskeeps | luke-jr: heck if i know, check repository.maemo.org | 16:44 |
| ShadowJK | deb http://repository.maemo.org/ fremantle/tools free non-free | 16:44 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 16:44 |
| ShadowJK | or do it like me, be a masochist and use busybox sh | 16:44 |
| zeltak | whats busybos sh? | 16:44 |
| zeltak | *busybox | 16:45 |
| ShadowJK | the default shell | 16:45 |
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| zeltak | ahh gotcha :) | 16:45 |
| luke-jr | .. | 16:45 |
| ShadowJK | Only annoyance with it is that it doesn't handle UTF-8, so when I typo something it appears as a single letter, but when I backspace, it becomes into two letters, one deleted and one hidden | 16:46 |
| ShadowJK | and then shit goes syntax error | 16:46 |
| zeltak | man i just got the n900 2 days ago and im having a "man-crush";-) its just the best hardware device ive ever owned :) | 16:46 |
| zeltak | any out of repo software u guys are using and want to recommend? | 16:46 |
| ShadowJK | opera might be worth checking out I guess | 16:47 |
| luke-jr | Mappero shows the sats on a 360-degree circle, but I don't know how to translate that to azimuth/elevation | 16:47 |
| ShadowJK | if you're familiar with opera mobile from other devices from before | 16:47 |
| auenf | opera i use (in turbo mode) for browsing when on mobile data, microb for wifi | 16:47 |
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| mgedmin | zeltak, openssh rules | 16:47 |
| mgedmin | (e.g. access your n900's file system via sshfs from your laptop) | 16:48 |
| mc_teo | nvm, it works now, it was some thing to do with overwriting old files | 16:48 |
| mgedmin | FBReader rules (HTML/EPUB/RTF/TXT/several-other-format e-books) | 16:48 |
| mc_teo | or maybe i just needed to import os | 16:48 |
| zeltak | thx guys :) | 16:48 |
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| ShadowJK | There was some significant effort put towards getting most software in one of the extras-* repos for maemo5 | 16:49 |
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| zeltak | ooohhh Mappero looks cool | 16:50 |
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| luke-jr | so any idea what Mappero is showing me? | 16:51 |
| Jucato | excuse me, does anyone know off hand the d-bus signal to connect/listen to for when the camera shutter closes? (for a Qt app) | 16:51 |
| hrw | would be more cool if it would be stable | 16:51 |
| albanc | Where is the .config file in the kernel sources? There is no '.config' or 'config' | 16:51 |
| MohammadAG | make rx51_defconfig | 16:53 |
| MohammadAG | Jucato, not sure about DBus, but the cam shutter is GPIO | 16:53 |
| MohammadAG | should be in /sys somewhere | 16:54 |
| Jucato | hm .. thanks | 16:55 |
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| kerio | really, why am i getting errors? | 17:04 |
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| kerio | who screwed up maemo.org's certs? | 17:04 |
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| hrw | nokia? | 17:05 |
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| jacekowski | another https junkie | 17:06 |
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| X-Fade | kerio: which one? | 17:08 |
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| luke-jr | http://luke.dashjr.org/tmp/code/gps2 | 17:09 |
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| ham5 | bin file? | 17:10 |
| luke-jr | the only significant bit undecoded now is cell info | 17:10 |
| luke-jr | ham5: ARM ELF | 17:10 |
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| Stskeeps | luke-jr: know any benchmarks that'd be good to figure out if we're running on a low cpu frequency or not on newer n8x0 kernels? | 17:19 |
| ShadowJK | ... bogomips? | 17:21 |
| Termana | Stskeeps, I thought I'd mention, there is definitely no DVFS code for OMAP mainlined, but if you pull the -pm branch there SHOULD be - at least according to: http://elinux.org/OMAP_Power_Management | 17:21 |
| Termana | -pm OMAP branch* | 17:21 |
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| Stskeeps | ShadowJK: my doubt is really if it's on the max (400mhz) or not | 17:21 |
| X-Fade | Stskeeps: run superpi on both kernels and see if the value is the same? | 17:21 |
| ShadowJK | Stskeeps, userspace bogomips | 17:22 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 17:22 |
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| ShadowJK | Do you have /sys/power/op_active on new kernel? | 17:23 |
| Stskeeps | doubt it, there's not even CPUFREQ | 17:23 |
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| lcuk | albanc, did you get the source? (een afk) | 18:44 |
| albanc | lcuk, yes | 18:44 |
| lcuk | \o/ | 18:45 |
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| the_lord | Hi! I've just bricked my phone uninstalling power-kernel and rebooting, is there any way to access /boot to put the kernel in there? | 19:13 |
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| drizztbsd | the_lord: the kernel is NOT in /boot | 19:13 |
| Corsac | the kernel isn't in /boot | 19:13 |
| drizztbsd | just reflash the kernel part of the pr1.2 fiasco image | 19:13 |
| Corsac | the_lord: but you can flash it back | 19:13 |
| the_lord | well, werever it is | 19:14 |
| the_lord | yes, but iif I flash it I'll lose all my installed apps, I guess | 19:14 |
| drizztbsd | NO! | 19:14 |
| drizztbsd | i say to reflash ONLY the kernel part of the fiasco image | 19:14 |
| drizztbsd | http://wiki.maemo.org/Kernel_Power#Deinstallation | 19:15 |
| the_lord | drizztbsd, thx, let me try | 19:15 |
| drizztbsd | flasher-3.5 -f --flash-only=kernel -R -F <firmware-image> | 19:15 |
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| ceda | Hi! Anyone here who can offer som help regarding garage.maemo.org? I'm really confused by the info sent out after my project was accepted. It suggests that only SSH1 is supported, but when I try to log on it exits saying: Protocol major versions differ: 1 vs. 2 | 19:40 |
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| ceda | none of the keys I've uploaded through the web ui works (I use them with several other servers) | 19:41 |
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| ceda | and I've checked that there are no linewraps (by resizing the textarea in the html form) | 19:41 |
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| ceda | and the link to the docs that the email I got doesn't work (404): https://garage.maemo.org/docs/site/ | 19:47 |
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| lcuk | hmmm ceda not good | 19:48 |
| lcuk | i have seen something similar in the past also | 19:49 |
| lcuk | i cant remember how it was cured, its possible i made the ssh keys outside scratchbox and copied them in | 19:49 |
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| ceda | lcuk: sorry, but I'm not sure you're referring to my problem (which is accessing wifi-assistant.garage.maemo.org - not accessing the phone or scratchbox) | 19:50 |
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| kerio | should i upgrade? | 20:11 |
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| kerio | libsdl-mixer1.2 i mean | 20:12 |
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| kerio | it conflicts with mp-fremantle-generic-pr | 20:15 |
| * DocScrutinizer51 would think people who set /ns set enforce on at least know how to config their clients to auto identify | 20:16 | |
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| kerio | DocScrutinizer: do i apt-get install libsdl-mixer1.2? | 20:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer | kerio: I don't even know what that is (well almost) | 20:21 |
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| kerio | it forces the uninstall of mp-fremantle-generic-pr | 20:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | prolly not what you want | 20:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ceda: (keys) I had to remove the " "-separated user@engine part at end of key | 20:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | (404) yep, my notivication mail about invitation to repo upload had a derived URL that got 404. Some bug in this thing callled... errr whatever | 20:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | leeme dig out that mail | 20:27 |
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| ceda | DocScrutinizer: that'd be great! | 20:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer | oops, wasn't the invite which was ok | 20:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer | that's called, errr... midcom | 20:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | Link to page: | 20:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://maemo.org/midcom-permalink-957d6050928711df8bae1f9ab104ddbaddba | 20:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | forget that | 20:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | stale link | 20:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer | notification about comment added to http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/xxxx et al | 20:35 |
| ceda | DocScrutinizer: what kind of SSH key is it that I need to submit? | 20:35 |
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| kevloral | Hello all | 20:36 |
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| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, nope, I need enforce | 20:42 |
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| DocScrutinizer | why? | 20:44 |
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| DocScrutinizer | http://r33b.net | 20:48 |
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| issak93 | mohammadAG | 21:09 |
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| MohammadAG | ? | 21:10 |
| issak93 | yyyyyyyyyaaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyyy | 21:10 |
| issak93 | sorry | 21:10 |
| issak93 | sounded a bit gay | 21:11 |
| issak93 | let me rephrase | 21:11 |
| issak93 | yay | 21:11 |
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| * sp3000 needs a francophone | 21:22 | |
| sp3000 | what set of technologies does "un réseau sans fil" resolve to? | 21:23 |
| marmoute | WIFI | 21:23 |
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| sp3000 | only? | 21:23 |
| marmoute | Wireless network | 21:23 |
| sp3000 | so not e.g. cellular? | 21:23 |
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| marmoute | litterally it might be extented to cellular | 21:23 |
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| marmoute | but it's used mostly for wifi | 21:24 |
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| sp3000 | ok, thanks | 21:24 |
| marmoute | what's the context ? | 21:24 |
| mgedmin | and what's the literal translation? "network without wires"? | 21:24 |
| marmoute | Wireless network | 21:24 |
| sp3000 | it's sort of describing a precondition or recommendation for something | 21:25 |
| sp3000 | the context implies it wants to mean wifi, I was curious to know if it actually did :) | 21:25 |
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| * mgedmin meant word-by-word when he said literal | 21:25 | |
| sp3000 | (specifically as opposed to cellular afaict) | 21:25 |
| * mgedmin wanted to know what 'reseau' and 'fil' meant | 21:26 | |
| * mgedmin got his answers from google translate now | 21:26 | |
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| * lcuk shivers | 21:41 | |
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| tripzero | lcuk, cold? | 21:44 |
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| mneptok | tripzero: no, someone just walked over his grave in the future | 21:50 |
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| lcuk | tripzero, not really just took a swig of cold beer | 21:50 |
| lcuk | mneptok, name sounds nivenish | 21:50 |
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| mneptok | lcuk: it may, but it's straight outta my own head. | 21:51 |
| * mneptok has never read any Niven | 21:51 | |
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| * lcuk ponders | 21:55 | |
| lcuk | mneptok, you are missing out | 21:55 |
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| mneptok | lcuk: "I Missed Out" is the working title of my memoirs | 21:56 |
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| lcuk | and my memory is a bit wonky, after extensive searching, it was Phssthpok who I was mixing you up with :P | 21:57 |
| lcuk | mneptok, nahh you have never missed out, you just arrive late to the party | 21:57 |
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| * lcuk hunts for a command line github repository constructor | 21:58 | |
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| luke-jr | http://pastebin.ca/1909530 | 22:01 |
| luke-jr | lcuk: boo github | 22:01 |
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| lcuk | luke-jr, huh? | 22:02 |
| luke-jr | lcuk: github ftl | 22:02 |
| lcuk | what do you recommend then | 22:03 |
| luke-jr | Gitorious | 22:03 |
| SpeedEvil | http://github.com/blog/473-hi-xkcd github has all sorts of special subsections | 22:03 |
| lcuk | i have accounts there too | 22:03 |
| luke-jr | Github is proprietary | 22:03 |
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| lcuk | luke-jr, its not a problem as long as they maintain and run it as a service | 22:05 |
| lcuk | do you have a facebook account btw? | 22:05 |
| luke-jr | lcuk: that excuse flies for all software; I guess we don't need open soure | 22:05 |
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| luke-jr | source* | 22:05 |
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| lcuk | luke-jr, given equals, i would HAPPILY take 1 developer knowledgable and happy working within a closed source project than having to pick through an unsupported block of OSS and having to work out whats wrong. the rules change when there is no support and the project is mothballed however | 22:07 |
| luke-jr | Gitorious is unsupported now? | 22:08 |
| lcuk | no, but thats my take on closed sourceness :) github has an active team around it, hence to me its a decent environment | 22:08 |
| lcuk | and its just using my git data which is not going anywhere | 22:08 |
| luke-jr | until they fold, or get bored, or whatever ☺ | 22:09 |
| luke-jr | or decide a feature you want isn't interesting | 22:09 |
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| lcuk | git push newhost >> | 22:09 |
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| lcuk | meh | 22:09 |
| luke-jr | but then you have to reimplement everything about Github you liked | 22:09 |
| luke-jr | ☺ | 22:09 |
| luke-jr | lcuk: test my GPS app :p | 22:11 |
| lcuk | where is the git repo | 22:12 |
| luke-jr | it has none | 22:12 |
| luke-jr | http://luke.dashjr.org/tmp/code/gps2 is a blob ☺ | 22:12 |
| lcuk | i thought you said you have gitorious | 22:12 |
| lcuk | /kick luke-jr | 22:13 |
| luke-jr | not for that :p | 22:13 |
| luke-jr | eventually I hope to get it integrated to gpsd | 22:13 |
| lcuk | BLOB | 22:13 |
| lcuk | you? | 22:13 |
| slonopotamus | mwahaha | 22:13 |
| lcuk | i thought it was against your religion | 22:13 |
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| luke-jr | lcuk: well, I might have posted the source, but you just said a blob is ok as long as I maintain it | 22:13 |
| * slonopotamus highfives luke-jr | 22:14 | |
| luke-jr | lcuk: actually, closed source is only against my religion if I pay for the software | 22:14 |
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| lcuk | sure, lemme pay you and get a warranty and stuff | 22:14 |
| luke-jr | and even then, it is a mere theological conclusion, not a binding authoritative teaching | 22:14 |
| lcuk | and i want a damned box and some instructions | 22:14 |
| lcuk | so i can post unboxing videos :P | 22:14 |
| luke-jr | lcuk: chmod +x and run it | 22:14 |
| luke-jr | ideally without any Maemo stuff using GPS | 22:15 |
| lcuk | nope | 22:15 |
| slonopotamus | lcuk: software warranty? are you kidding? | 22:15 |
| lcuk | sure slonopotamus ! | 22:16 |
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| slonopotamus | lcuk: what warranty do you have for maemo? | 22:16 |
| luke-jr | not even Microsoft or Apple have warranties! | 22:16 |
| SpeedEvil | luke-jr: what's this GPS app do? | 22:16 |
| slonopotamus | luke-jr: i hope lcuk doesn't have those | 22:16 |
| lcuk | slonopotamus, i dont buy maemo standalone do i | 22:16 |
| luke-jr | SpeedEvil: starts the GPS chip, and dumps its output in realtime to stdout | 22:16 |
| luke-jr | SpeedEvil: and stops the GPS chip when you ctrl-c | 22:17 |
| SpeedEvil | luke-jr: does it require any software state? | 22:17 |
| luke-jr | SpeedEvil: Maemo cannot be using the GPS itself | 22:17 |
| luke-jr | or it could, but the start/stop bits might cause it to go crazy | 22:17 |
| luke-jr | and require a reboot | 22:17 |
| luke-jr | it doesnt' support AGPS, so if you haven't used GPS recently, it will take a while | 22:18 |
| luke-jr | (dumping the interim details while you wait ofc) | 22:18 |
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| SpeedEvil | Would a - say - 3 hour log of two side-by-side n900s, one running your thingy, one running a GPX logger be useful? | 22:18 |
| luke-jr | no, I think it's pretty much done | 22:18 |
| SpeedEvil | k | 22:18 |
| luke-jr | just needs integration | 22:18 |
| SpeedEvil | you've decoded all of the bits? | 22:19 |
| luke-jr | there's a few bytes I don't know what they're for, but I have at least all the info Maemo provides with liblocation ☺ | 22:19 |
| SpeedEvil | :) | 22:19 |
| SpeedEvil | neat. | 22:19 |
| luke-jr | including satellite data | 22:19 |
| luke-jr | and cell tower info | 22:19 |
| luke-jr | actually, there is an incomplete part still… | 22:20 |
| luke-jr | the start/stop commands | 22:20 |
| luke-jr | I don't know how those work yet | 22:20 |
| luke-jr | ☺ | 22:20 |
| SpeedEvil | ✈☺ | 22:20 |
| luke-jr | ☻ | 22:20 |
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| SpeedEvil | This UTF will never catch on. | 22:21 |
| luke-jr | ☠ | 22:21 |
| ShadowJK | ＵＴＦ−８ ｆｏｒｅｖｅｒ ：） | 22:22 |
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| luke-jr | ShadowJK: don't do that -.- | 22:22 |
| ShadowJK | Ｗｈｙ ｎｏｔ？ | 22:22 |
| luke-jr | those characters aren't in my font | 22:23 |
| ShadowJK | They're even latin | 22:23 |
| luke-jr | they're deprecated I bet | 22:23 |
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| ShadowJK | not sure, they render as double-width on my machine | 22:23 |
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| SpeedEvil | ˙ʍou pǝɹoq | 22:24 |
| luke-jr | ShadowJK: well that doesn't exactly make sense in a fixed-width font1 | 22:24 |
| luke-jr | ! | 22:25 |
| ShadowJK | lol | 22:25 |
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| mgedmin | luke-jr, double-width fixed-font characters are perfectly cromulent | 22:35 |
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| * mgedmin ♥ UTF-8 | 22:36 | |
| esaym153 | utf has a nazi sign in it | 22:37 |
| mgedmin | I wonder which preexisting charsets had that | 22:38 |
| luke-jr | esaym153: what is a nazi sign? | 22:39 |
| luke-jr | I didn't realize they had anything original | 22:39 |
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| papertigers | i am looking to get started with maemo development, anyone know the best place to buy an n900 | 22:44 |
| slonopotamus | papertigers: you don't need n900 in order to develop. | 22:44 |
| _llll_ | get a decent contract and it will be free | 22:44 |
| lcuk | papertigers, theres a $1 deal somewhere! | 22:45 |
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| papertigers | say what? | 22:45 |
| papertigers | hah | 22:45 |
| slonopotamus | more than that, official n900 software is useless for development | 22:45 |
| lcuk | http://thenokiablog.com/2010/07/22/nokia-n900-flashing-egg/ | 22:45 |
| _llll_ | slonopotamus: real coders dont need to test? | 22:45 |
| lcuk | real coders use the internet to debug | 22:45 |
| slonopotamus | _llll_: they still need to compile. | 22:45 |
| lcuk | what else is OSS for :p | 22:45 |
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| lcuk | slonopotamus, not at all, use autobuilder | 22:46 |
| slonopotamus | lcuk: no dpkg-buildpackage on n900. | 22:46 |
| luke-jr | _llll_: lol yeah right | 22:46 |
| papertigers | lcuk: so now i wait for this to flash | 22:46 |
| lcuk | slonopotamus, if dev hasnt got an n900 thats not an issue | 22:46 |
| papertigers | hahaha | 22:46 |
| luke-jr | _llll_: you don't need a N900 to test | 22:47 |
| slonopotamus | papertigers: you can write a waiting script | 22:47 |
| luke-jr | real coders write apps that work on multiple platforms | 22:47 |
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| luke-jr | papertigers: search Froogle? | 22:47 |
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| slonopotamus | papertigers: or hack into source and check when/how it flashes and what does on click then. | 22:48 |
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| lcuk | papertigers, order from nokia if you are unsure | 22:49 |
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| _llll_ | you dont need a computer to write, just carve your perfect code into stone and post it to nokia | 22:49 |
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| slonopotamus | _llll_: that's SO analog... | 22:49 |
| crashanddie | cat | gcc | 22:50 |
| slonopotamus | crashanddie: no gcc on n900. | 22:50 |
| crashanddie | sure there is | 22:50 |
| lcuk | apt-get install build-essential | 22:50 |
| crashanddie | apt-get install build-essential | 22:50 |
| SpeedEvil | slonopotamus: sure there is | 22:50 |
| SpeedEvil | apt-get install build-essential | 22:50 |
| SpeedEvil | oh | 22:50 |
| SpeedEvil | sorry | 22:50 |
| luke-jr | E: Couldn't find package build-essential | 22:50 |
| lcuk | and theres the hattrick | 22:50 |
| SpeedEvil | you need the right repo | 22:50 |
| lcuk | add sdk tools repos | 22:50 |
| luke-jr | how? | 22:51 |
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| slonopotamus | and get fun with deps and rootfs free space? :) | 22:51 |
| slonopotamus | luke-jr: add sdk repo, i guess. | 22:51 |
| lcuk | slonopotamus, default flashed image now has over 100mb free | 22:51 |
| SpeedEvil | I personally copird / to /home/user/data/chroot - and then just ran apt-get there | 22:51 |
| lcuk | build-essential at its worst is 80mb i believe | 22:51 |
| papertigers | $450 for a nwe one hmm | 22:51 |
| lcuk | with some extra lines in optify-boottime it could be less | 22:52 |
| luke-jr | my / has 55 MB available | 22:52 |
| * slonopotamus just uses gentoo chroot. | 22:52 | |
| * luke-jr too, but not all Gentoo binaries work on Maemo | 22:53 | |
| slonopotamus | update libs in maemo via autobuilder. | 22:55 |
| slonopotamus | and ftw. | 22:55 |
| papertigers | the n900 allows pygtk and pyqt right? | 22:57 |
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| lcuk | yes | 22:57 |
| slonopotamus | (and it doesn't have rights to disallow anything) | 22:57 |
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| maher | is there a picture viewer that lets me browse by directory? | 22:58 |
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| papertigers | I was just wondering if they had python bindings for all the maemo stuff in general | 22:59 |
| luke-jr | no | 22:59 |
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| papertigers | luke-jr: was the no to me? | 23:00 |
| luke-jr | yes | 23:00 |
| ceda | papertigers: yes (the no was for you). But there are quite a lot of bindings | 23:00 |
| ceda | I'm using them as we speak to write an app that launches a browser when you get connected to a network with a captive portal page | 23:01 |
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| baraujo | papertigers, you can see some of the available bindings here: http://wiki.maemo.org/PyMaemo/Components | 23:02 |
| maher | do the people who develop sw for the n900 actually ever use it? if i open the picture view it shows me all 3G of pictures i put on it in one list of thumbnails - how do i browse by folder? | 23:02 |
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| luke-jr | maher: folders are obsolete for photos | 23:02 |
| luke-jr | even before N900 | 23:02 |
| ceda | luke-jr: mm, but the UI for photos and videos get pretty sluggish after a while :P | 23:03 |
| maher | luke-jr: wtf? | 23:03 |
| luke-jr | ceda: it doesn't work at all for me anymore ☹ | 23:04 |
| ceda | it'd be better if it was paged (like digital cameras) and not a scroll list that is sooo long | 23:04 |
| lcuk | pages pah | 23:05 |
| lcuk | wimps | 23:05 |
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| microlith | I'd be happy if hildon-thumbnailer didn't kill device responsiveness :( | 23:06 |
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| papertigers | baraujo: does doing pygtk use the look of maemos gtk? | 23:16 |
| ceda | papertigers: yes | 23:17 |
| papertigers | ahh okay so its no different then | 23:17 |
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| papertigers | then a pygtk app | 23:17 |
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| ceda | but there are additions to gtk, often call hildon | 23:17 |
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| baraujo | papertigers, pygtk is only a Python wrapper to gtk2, the functionality is the same | 23:18 |
| papertigers | ceda: no hildon bindings? | 23:18 |
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| baraujo | papertigers, python-hildon :) | 23:18 |
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| ceda | papertigers: http://wiki.maemo.org/PyMaemo | 23:21 |
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| ceda | and http://wiki.maemo.org/PyMaemo/UI_tutorial | 23:21 |
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| papertigers | ceda: thanks | 23:22 |
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| ceda | papertigers: and also http://pymaemo.garage.maemo.org/ which contains a listing of all python bindings available | 23:26 |
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| SpeedEvil | Unless they don't. | 23:29 |
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| lcuk | please remain seated with your tray tables in the upright position | 23:31 |
| lcuk | in the event of a netsplit - place your head between your knees and hands over your head | 23:31 |
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| lcuk | Note, the seatbelt light is ON. please fasten your seatbelt | 23:31 |
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| lcuk | and extinguish cigarettes | 23:31 |
| papertigers | hmm i want a n900 to write a nice media player app | 23:31 |
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| lcuk | papertigers, show some initiative | 23:32 |
| lcuk | and put your name down on the developer loans list | 23:32 |
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| ieatlint | papertigers: if you can get one to do it, i'll be thoroughly impressed | 23:32 |
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| MohammadAG51 | someone go into #freenode and tell them to fix their shit | 23:32 |
| lcuk | with as much outline and reasoning and perhaps mockup of what you want to do | 23:32 |
| lcuk | they know | 23:32 |
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| papertigers | lcuk: where is that, and how likely is it | 23:32 |
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| lcuk | papertigers, http://wiki.maemo.org/Fremantle_Developer_Device_Queue | 23:33 |
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| lcuk | its an option if you atre unable to obtain a device, though is usually only to developers who have shown lots of personal development initiative themselves and really do need one | 23:34 |
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| papertigers | probably not worth it for me | 23:35 |
| lcuk | papertigers, :) it is an option however. theres plenty of places to get a device from | 23:35 |
| papertigers | lcuk: I just need to raise the money myself I guess | 23:36 |
| papertigers | I plan on writing a media player to interface with ampache | 23:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ([2010-07-27 22:32:39] <MohammadAG51> someone go into #freenode and tell them ) no use in it, chan is +m and /ns is offline ;-P | 23:41 |
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| lcuk | whats +m ? | 23:41 |
| marmoute | lcuk: moderated | 23:42 |
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| haj | MohammadAG51: hey, that hildon-desktop you made that fixes the incoming call glitch... I guess that only works with 4 home views? | 23:42 |
| lcuk | people talk in there without restriction? | 23:42 |
| lcuk | MohammadAG51, talk to me tomorrow about this HD patch | 23:43 |
| haj | lcuk: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=54556&page=11 | 23:43 |
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| MohammadAG51 | lcuk, latest commit in gitorious | 23:49 |
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| MohammadAG51 | it's just a backport | 23:49 |
| lcuk | MohammadAG51, i know that | 23:49 |
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| lcuk | technically MohammadAG51 the latest commit in hildon-desktop official is by me | 23:50 |
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| haj | MohammadAG51: but about that max number of home views.. it's only 4 in that fixed version yes? I just got used to having 5 ;) | 23:51 |
| MohammadAG51 | haj, the +4 thingy is part of modified-hildon-desktop | 23:53 |
| MohammadAG51 | contact Matan about that | 23:53 |
| MohammadAG51 | lcuk, yep :) | 23:53 |
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