| trumee | luke-jr: funny thing is my N95 sip client works excellent on the same network/PBX. But N900 doesnt. | 00:00 |
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| toggles_w | obviously the n95 sip client is broken | 00:01 |
| trumee | luke-jr: what!!! | 00:01 |
| trumee | luke-jr: sorry | 00:02 |
| trumee | toggles_w: why n95 is broken? | 00:02 |
| * toggles_w pulls trumee's leg a bit further | 00:02 | |
| ShadowJK | iirc it took 4 revisions to get it working | 00:02 |
| trumee | toggles_w: i need a new wireless router, this linksys wrt54gl/ddwrt isnt up to the task | 00:03 |
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| trumee | there is a cheap belkin router available, but i am a bit scared of belkin | 00:04 |
| tripzero | don't fear the belkin | 00:04 |
| tripzero | embrace | 00:04 |
| tripzero | !@ | 00:04 |
| trumee | although i only need a wireless access point, i will retain linksys as the wired router | 00:04 |
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| tripzero | if it runs ddwrt, it's good | 00:04 |
| trumee | well linksys wrt54gl isnt good | 00:05 |
| trumee | and it runs ddwrt | 00:05 |
| luke-jr | gotta find an open router | 00:06 |
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| trumee | what open router? | 00:06 |
| crashanddie | MohammadAG51: nope. Still no news | 00:06 |
| crashanddie | trumee: probably WRT-type | 00:06 |
| luke-jr | trumee: dunno, research it a bit | 00:06 |
| trumee | is there a pci/pci express card which i can plug into my linux box | 00:06 |
| luke-jr | trumee: on the other hand, maybe WRT54GL support will mature soon | 00:06 |
| crashanddie | trumee: plenty? | 00:07 |
| trumee | luke-jr: you mean mature in N900? | 00:07 |
| luke-jr | trumee: I mean Linux support for it | 00:07 |
| luke-jr | if so, it'll hit OpenWrt before DD-Wrt | 00:07 |
| trumee | crashanddie: then i can ditch my linksys router and use my computer as a router | 00:07 |
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| trumee | luke-jr: wrt54gl has been around for donkey years and you think code is not mature? | 00:08 |
| crashanddie | trumee: wait, what? | 00:08 |
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| luke-jr | trumee: DD-Wrt doesn't use it yet AFAIK | 00:08 |
| luke-jr | trumee: Broadcom wireless has only been around a few years | 00:08 |
| crashanddie | trumee: you're asking for a "pci/pci express card which you can plug into your linux box"? | 00:08 |
| luke-jr | and mainly just for client mode | 00:08 |
| trumee | luke-jr: so openwrt is more mature? | 00:09 |
| luke-jr | OpenWrt is more bleeding edge usually :) | 00:09 |
| luke-jr | looks like they got it working as of 8.09_RC1 | 00:09 |
| trumee | crashanddie: yes using which i can stream radio signals | 00:09 |
| crashanddie | try to be more precise? | 00:09 |
| trumee | luke-jr: is there gui for openwrt? | 00:09 |
| luke-jr | trumee: third-party, X-Wrt | 00:09 |
| trumee | crashanddie: i want to replace my wireless router with my linux box. | 00:10 |
| luke-jr | trumee: WRT54GL has little flash though, so be conservative with what you install :) | 00:10 |
| crashanddie | "Is there a card I can plug into my computer?" "Erhm, most probably" "Oh yeah, which one?" "Well, depends. What do you need?" | 00:10 |
| luke-jr | unless you wanna hack in the MMC card mod | 00:10 |
| luke-jr | http://oldwiki.openwrt.org/OpenWrtDocs(2f)Hardware(2f)Linksys(2f)WRT54GL.html?highlight=%28CategoryModel%29#head-dd43b50d854c2f0348686e6d7d165cdfd83a7e59 | 00:10 |
| crashanddie | trumee: please go back and learn how to have a conversation. | 00:10 |
| crashanddie | I'm tempted to call you "stupid" or "wanker", but I won't. | 00:11 |
| trumee | crashanddie: wtf | 00:11 |
| luke-jr | crashanddie: everyone else understood him obviously | 00:11 |
| trumee | luke-jr: exactly. | 00:11 |
| luke-jr | crashanddie: read your history before you start ranting about what you don't understand | 00:11 |
| crashanddie | what history? I just joined | 00:11 |
| luke-jr | exactly | 00:12 |
| crashanddie | piss off | 00:12 |
| luke-jr | lol | 00:12 |
| trumee | crashanddie: ha ha | 00:12 |
| crashanddie | The guy said "Can i put a card into my computer?" I said "yes", then he said he wanted to turn his computer into a router, which really doesn't help. Does he want wireless or wired? And if so, why use your desktop to do so? | 00:12 |
| luke-jr | crashanddie: it was perfectly clear with context | 00:13 |
| luke-jr | so anyhow | 00:13 |
| luke-jr | anyone have a license I can buy? | 00:13 |
| trumee | luke-jr: i think i will try openwrt | 00:13 |
| crashanddie | what kind of licence? | 00:13 |
| luke-jr | :D | 00:13 |
| SpeedEvil | luke-jr: I have a licenst to kill, that I no longer need. | 00:13 |
| luke-jr | SpeedEvil: srsly? what country? | 00:13 |
| SpeedEvil | luke-jr: Atlantis. | 00:14 |
| luke-jr | aw | 00:14 |
| luke-jr | useless | 00:14 |
| crashanddie | so, to get back off-topic, what kind of card? LAN or WAN? And why use a desktop for a router rather than a dedicated device to do so? | 00:14 |
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| crashanddie | I mean, aren't most wireless and ethernet cards supported these days under linux? | 00:14 |
| luke-jr | crashanddie: he just wants to cut his wifi router out of the "my SIP isn't working" equation | 00:15 |
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| crashanddie | ah | 00:15 |
| luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: I actually have a tonal meter stick | 00:15 |
| crashanddie | trumee: does SIP work at your neighbour's? | 00:15 |
| luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: and my wall schedule is in tonal units | 00:15 |
| trumee | crashanddie: it works fine on 3g | 00:15 |
| crashanddie | not the question | 00:16 |
| crashanddie | does it work at your neighbour's? | 00:16 |
| trumee | crashanddie: but on wifi it is very jittery | 00:16 |
| trumee | crashanddie: no idea. | 00:16 |
| crashanddie | but you do get a connection then? | 00:16 |
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| luke-jr | crashanddie: he's already tried turning off PSM too | 00:16 |
| trumee | crashanddie: yes, sip works fine. but audio is quite jittery. bug #10388 | 00:16 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10388 Choppy audio in SIP conversation, WLAN power save problem? | 00:16 |
| crashanddie | interesting | 00:17 |
| crashanddie | trumee: I'll set up SIP on my N900 tomorrow (need to download certificates and stuff) and comment on that bug if I can't reproduce it | 00:17 |
| crashanddie | FYI, my ISP provides SIP and router is made them too | 00:17 |
| crashanddie | s/them/by them/ | 00:18 |
| infobot | crashanddie meant: FYI, my ISP provides SIP and router is made by them too | 00:18 |
| luke-jr | crashanddie: FWIW, SIP works flawless here | 00:18 |
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| luke-jr | both 3G and Wifi | 00:18 |
| crashanddie | hmm | 00:18 |
| crashanddie | does the same happen with Skype | 00:18 |
| crashanddie | ? | 00:19 |
| trumee | luke-jr: i am thinking of changing to centos from gentoo. centos is used heavily by voip folks, so the kernel would be sensible | 00:19 |
| trumee | crashanddie: dont care about skype | 00:19 |
| luke-jr | trumee: Gentoo kernels work fine for me | 00:19 |
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| crashanddie | trumee: again, that wasn't the question | 00:19 |
| divan | hi, is this right place for development questions or there is another channel for developer questions? | 00:19 |
| luke-jr | divan: development of what? | 00:20 |
| trumee | luke-jr: yes, but i want to check all software things before i invest in a router | 00:20 |
| crashanddie | divan: you can ask general dev questions here, it's fine. Please pastebin anything over a couple of lines, though. | 00:20 |
| trumee | luke-jr: and you use fon router? | 00:20 |
| luke-jr | trumee: I'd try OpenWrt next :) | 00:20 |
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| crashanddie | trumee: you never tried on another wifi network? | 00:20 |
| luke-jr | trumee: I use the 2200 model La Fonera, which is probably no longer available, for WiFi | 00:20 |
| luke-jr | trumee: it has 1 Ethernet port | 00:20 |
| divan | I work with rtcom and libaccounts libraries for maemo and there is a very big lack of documentation and examples. Hope to find a few wizards here :) | 00:20 |
| toggles_w | luke-jr: me too | 00:21 |
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| crashanddie | divan: I've abandonned dev'ing for Maemo due to major lack of proper documentation | 00:21 |
| luke-jr | divan: you are aware the Maemo platform is discontinued? | 00:21 |
| crashanddie | luke-jr: stfu? | 00:21 |
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| luke-jr | crashanddie: pfft, same thing you said almost | 00:21 |
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| trumee | crashanddie: i have not test much some other wifi network. i am usually scared of using sip on other peoples network. | 00:21 |
| divan | I will rewrote my thing for MeeGo(actually I love QT), but for now I need it on Maemo. | 00:21 |
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| crashanddie | trumee: if you don't trust SIP to be secure enough, don't trust it on any network, including yours | 00:22 |
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| crashanddie | trumee: find some granny in the neighbourhood, who has a different modem, and try there | 00:22 |
| divan | Actually I already wrote almost everything I need but I want it to be userfriendly (for others users) and stuck with a few problems with libaccounts | 00:22 |
| crashanddie | trumee: heck, go to your local starbucks or something | 00:22 |
| Macer | haha | 00:22 |
| divan | So, no rtcom/libaccounts wizards here? ( | 00:23 |
| luke-jr | or Panera... | 00:23 |
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| trumee | luke-jr: is this the one LA FONERA Wireless Router Model FON2100. WIFI, http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/FONERA-Wireless-Router-Model-FON2100-WIFI-/190420431782?cmd=ViewItem&pt=UK_Computing_Networking_SM&hash=item2c55f133a6 | 00:23 |
| Macer | is sip even encrypted ? | 00:23 |
| luke-jr | trumee: no, that says 2100 | 00:23 |
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| luke-jr | trumee: 2100 was crap | 00:23 |
| luke-jr | Macer: no | 00:23 |
| trumee | luke-jr: oh ok. | 00:23 |
| Macer | i figured it had to be encapsulated | 00:23 |
| luke-jr | trumee: 2100 = overheat easily | 00:23 |
| Macer | luke-jr: ah. i see. | 00:23 |
| Macer | skype ftw hahahaha | 00:24 |
| luke-jr | Skype sucks | 00:24 |
| divan | crashanddie: actually I love Maemo cause it allows me develop in my native languages and libraries. (Except of such closes things as rtcom) | 00:24 |
| Macer | whatever | 00:24 |
| crashanddie | skype works? | 00:24 |
| Macer | :) | 00:24 |
| luke-jr | crashanddie: not on N900 | 00:24 |
| Macer | works for me | 00:24 |
| crashanddie | works for me | 00:24 |
| Macer | er | 00:24 |
| trumee | luke-jr: i dislike skype too | 00:24 |
| Macer | yes it does | 00:24 |
| Macer | works great on n900 | 00:24 |
| Macer | :) | 00:24 |
| luke-jr | not for video | 00:24 |
| Macer | even over 3G | 00:24 |
| toggles_w | actually, mine is a 2100, works fine unless you leave it in a 100f attic | 00:24 |
| Macer | dont use skype for video | 00:24 |
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| luke-jr | toggles_w: mine didn't :/ | 00:25 |
| Macer | i use gtalk :) | 00:25 |
| divan | BTW, native skype support on N900 is a killer feature for some of my collegues - they bought N900 just because of that | 00:25 |
| crashanddie | Macer: next we're going to hear that "Skype is evil because it's owned by a big bad multinational company" | 00:25 |
| luke-jr | toggles_w: I had to hack on a fan | 00:25 |
| luke-jr | divan: before they noticed it doesn't work? | 00:25 |
| divan | Why it doesn't work? | 00:25 |
| crashanddie | luke-jr: last warning before you're banned | 00:25 |
| luke-jr | crashanddie: no, Skype is bad because it's closed | 00:25 |
| Macer | crashanddie: no. his last one was network hijacking of your bandwidth :) | 00:25 |
| toggles_w | i think mine is still in the atic, it's in the states in a mates place, he casn't complained yet, it's online.. | 00:25 |
| divan | I use Skype on N900 each day heavily. | 00:25 |
| Macer | hahaha | 00:25 |
| luke-jr | crashanddie: in a bad mood or what? I've done nothing to warrant banning | 00:25 |
| Macer | divan: me too. works great | 00:25 |
| crashanddie | luke-jr: you're saying things don't work when they do. You're spreading fud. Please stop | 00:26 |
| luke-jr | crashanddie: it doesn't. I've tried it with like 4 people by now... | 00:26 |
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| luke-jr | nfc how you get it to work | 00:26 |
| Macer | lol | 00:26 |
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| crashanddie | "The bad craftsman blames his tools." | 00:27 |
| luke-jr | right... need to be a craftsman to video chat now? | 00:27 |
| divan | luke-jr, maybe you and 4 peoples don't have any internet connection in your town? No 3G/GPRS/EDGE, no Wi-Fi.. ) | 00:27 |
| luke-jr | whatever, I'll stick to "Skype is bad because it's closed" then | 00:27 |
| trumee | luke-jr: cant find 2200 model even on ebay :( | 00:27 |
| Macer | no. you just tap "video chat" :) | 00:27 |
| luke-jr | divan: all hard-wired | 00:27 |
| mtnbkr | divan: I have not spent too much time with skype, but when I try to make a call to a friend, I am told that I need t use "international format" for the phone number. If I change the callers phone number to internaltional format, won't it break my nortal call calling of them? | 00:28 |
| trumee | luke-jr: "La Fonera FON2201 Wireless Router" ? | 00:28 |
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| luke-jr | Skype/Windows, Skype/Mac, and I don't know what the other 2 people were using | 00:28 |
| luke-jr | trumee: maybe | 00:28 |
| divan | Cool. BTW, is it possible to use USB-RJ-45 with USB Host Mode enabled on N900? | 00:28 |
| divan | I would like to have such possibility. | 00:28 |
| Macer | mtnbkr: yeah. that is one draw back | 00:28 |
| luke-jr | divan: should | 00:28 |
| mtnbkr | Macer: oh crap, really? | 00:28 |
| trumee | luke-jr: here http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Fonera-FON2201-Wireless-Router-/180534679945?cmd=ViewItem&pt=UK_Computing_Networking_SM&hash=item2a08b49989 | 00:28 |
| SpeedEvil | divan: USB host is not working yet | 00:28 |
| Macer | no | 00:29 |
| Macer | most phone companies accept int formats | 00:29 |
| divan | SpeedEvil, I saw the kernel with USB host enabled, released today. Didn't try yet. | 00:29 |
| Macer | shouldnt be a big deal | 00:29 |
| SpeedEvil | divan: it's really not that simple. | 00:29 |
| toggles_w | so anyone know if liblocation is going to be supported under meego? | 00:29 |
| kerio | huh? usb host? | 00:29 |
| mtnbkr | Macer: oh! ok, but the drawback then is that I would need to modify ALL of my contacts' phone numbers | 00:29 |
| divan | I understand | 00:29 |
| luke-jr | trumee: AFAIk that should work... | 00:29 |
| kerio | cool | 00:29 |
| SpeedEvil | divan: also - where was this announcemnt - there have been many unfortunate incorrect announcements before. | 00:29 |
| trumee | luke-jr: thanks | 00:29 |
| luke-jr | trumee: La Foneras *are* locked by default, but that one sounds pre-rooted | 00:30 |
| lbt | goddam it ... X-Fade ... wiki.... :) | 00:30 |
| divan | I'l find a link, wait a second | 00:30 |
| SpeedEvil | Context - I'm one of those involved in the details of geting USB host working. | 00:30 |
| SpeedEvil | And have heard nothing | 00:30 |
| divan | http://n900.tannerlab.com/kernel/usbhost/ | 00:30 |
| trumee | luke-jr: uh, on wiki, Routers known to be incompatible with PSM mode Fon2200 ? | 00:30 |
| divan | oops, it's not today release, sorry | 00:30 |
| luke-jr | trumee: ? | 00:31 |
| trumee | luke-jr: http://wiki.maemo.org/Wifi_power_saving_mode | 00:31 |
| trumee | luke-jr: at the bottom of the page | 00:31 |
| SpeedEvil | IIRC that was a release for testing some asplects of the USB host system, and diddn't work as hoped | 00:31 |
| divan | ok, I got it. | 00:31 |
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| mtnbkr | Macer: Hmmm, maemo phone app will allow ONLY numeral is the phone number fields, so I can not type a + how to get past this? | 00:31 |
| kerio | 00? | 00:32 |
| kerio | + is 00 | 00:32 |
| divan | Well, now I'm going to find developers of libaccounts and beg them to share a little bit of documentation or, at least, answer to my questions. | 00:32 |
| mtnbkr | really? wow... there is no way in the world I would have ever guessed that... lol | 00:32 |
| divan | This 'closed part in open source' is kinda weird | 00:32 |
| luke-jr | trumee: no idea; works fine for me on N900 | 00:33 |
| luke-jr | trumee: on N810 I did disable PSM tho | 00:33 |
| luke-jr | divan: Maemo is mostly closed | 00:33 |
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| mtnbkr | kerio: also, how do I do a comma like when adding 2 second wait for answering machine etc, then press extention # | 00:33 |
| kerio | dunno | 00:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | (hostmode) so am and have I | 00:34 |
| mtnbkr | kerio: some phone numbers I have that I imported, have ( and ) and spaces and commas and it all works fine, but I cna not manually recreate it for new numbers | 00:34 |
| kerio | mtnbkr: ** does + and p | 00:34 |
| kerio | wtf is (? | 00:34 |
| mtnbkr | kerio; parenthesis areounf the US area code. | 00:35 |
| _llll_ | they are not part of the number | 00:35 |
| crashanddie | mtnbkr: of course not. You can dial your own country code in your own country without any problem | 00:35 |
| _llll_ | just indicate parts that can be omitted if you are local | 00:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | kerio: where is 'p' on dialer?? o.O | 00:35 |
| flux | yes, it would've been nice if the phone numbers allowed even the simplest separators, such as spaces | 00:35 |
| kerio | i think that's non-standard | 00:35 |
| kerio | :| | 00:35 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer: *** | 00:35 |
| luke-jr | crashanddie: not in the US... | 00:35 |
| crashanddie | eh? | 00:35 |
| crashanddie | Why not? | 00:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | actually failed to get that so far | 00:35 |
| luke-jr | no idea | 00:36 |
| luke-jr | phone companies here are idiotic | 00:36 |
| crashanddie | you can't call +1 in the US? | 00:36 |
| luke-jr | not if it's local | 00:36 |
| crashanddie | double "eh?" | 00:36 |
| luke-jr | if it's local they tell you to hang up and dial without i | 00:36 |
| luke-jr | it | 00:36 |
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| mtnbkr | kerio: the * is NOT accepted. :( only numerals | 00:36 |
| crashanddie | lmao | 00:36 |
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| crashanddie | backass country | 00:36 |
| luke-jr | >_< | 00:36 |
| kerio | mtnbkr: huh? | 00:36 |
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| crashanddie | mtnbkr: there's one solution | 00:36 |
| mtnbkr | crashanddie: and it is pissing me off, 'cause I can not use skype. | 00:37 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer: you can also just type p | 00:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | key 'p' actually there :-D | 00:37 |
| crashanddie | mtnbkr: have one skype number, and one local number | 00:37 |
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| kerio | with the hw kbd | 00:37 |
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| crashanddie | mtnbkr: or the better solution: move to a country where they understand how phones work | 00:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | missing 'w' :-S | 00:37 |
| mtnbkr | crashanddie: yeah, that is what I was thinkin... wowo great "integration" | 00:37 |
| crashanddie | mtnbkr: that's not the phones fault, it's the operator | 00:37 |
| * luke-jr ponders if telepathy-spirit can run under qemu-arm on other platforms... :p | 00:38 | |
| kerio | what's w? | 00:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | wait for connect | 00:38 |
| crashanddie | mtnbkr: I have one number for all my contacts, and call them through skype or phone, doesn't matter | 00:38 |
| mtnbkr | kerio: my N900 subs a 0 "zero" for the p or any char on the top row that is a number | 00:38 |
| kerio | oh | 00:38 |
| kerio | cute | 00:38 |
| kerio | mtnbkr: fn+"0" | 00:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | or wait for silence - not sure about it right now | 00:38 |
| mtnbkr | crashanddie: I know, that is what I want :) | 00:38 |
| kerio | and you get p | 00:38 |
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| kerio | or keep pushing the "*+" virtual key | 00:38 |
| crashanddie | mtnbkr: well, don't blame the integration then, call your operator and yell | 00:38 |
| luke-jr | mtnbkr: could in theory write a telepathy module that proxies them | 00:38 |
| mtnbkr | crashanddie: ahhaha Yeah, like At&T will listen | 00:39 |
| luke-jr | crashanddie: he could blame telepathy-spirit for being closed ;) | 00:39 |
| crashanddie | luke-jr: international in the US is 011, yeah? | 00:39 |
| luke-jr | crashanddie: dunno, I use voip | 00:39 |
| crashanddie | luke-jr: whereas in most of the rest of the world, it's 00 | 00:39 |
| luke-jr | crashanddie: I *think* if you try to call a US number as an international one, it might work and bill $1/min | 00:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ok, 'p' is waiting for connect. So that's not bad so far | 00:40 |
| blizzow | Was the big announcement from the nokia conversations blog about Fcamera? | 00:40 |
| luke-jr | blizzow: probably | 00:41 |
| kerio | luke-jr: hahahaha that's horrible | 00:41 |
| tripzero | so... i can't reproduce the apple-death-grip on the n900 | 00:41 |
| luke-jr | tripzero: why not? | 00:41 |
| kerio | tripzero: i can reproduce it quite easily | 00:41 |
| tripzero | dunno. i' | 00:41 |
| kerio | :( | 00:41 |
| luke-jr | tripzero: you have to be sure you're pressing on the power button | 00:41 |
| tripzero | where do you hold it? | 00:41 |
| luke-jr | hold on, I got a tutorial | 00:42 |
| kerio | tripzero: landscape, with both hands | 00:42 |
| tripzero | i tried death gripping on the lower part, upper part and both | 00:42 |
| tripzero | oh, landscape... | 00:42 |
| tripzero | lemme try | 00:42 |
| mtnbkr | luke-jr: nope... I just got the cute little song and "your call could not be completed as dialed" message | 00:42 |
| kerio | you know, when using it as a *tablet* | 00:42 |
| luke-jr | http://mynokiablog.com/2010/07/17/how-to-hold-your-nokia-n900-and-make-it-drop-calls/ | 00:42 |
| mtnbkr | DocScrutinizer: wait fr connec is OK, but need a pause. | 00:42 |
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| alterego | in a lead glove? | 00:42 |
| kerio | it probably works as a pause too | 00:43 |
| tripzero | luke-jr, haha | 00:43 |
| tripzero | nice | 00:43 |
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| mtnbkr | Ok, so there is no "one number format" I can use so that both Skype and my ATA&T cell calls to the same number work? | 00:43 |
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| alterego | mtnbkr: you should use the MSISDN | 00:44 |
| ShadowJK | I can do death-grip, but only if I'm like 10km away from transmitter | 00:44 |
| jacekowski | well hold it with both hands | 00:44 |
| ShadowJK | But in proper conditions I can't move it even with both hands | 00:44 |
| jacekowski | and then you can make it go to 2g quite easily | 00:45 |
| ShadowJK | It mostly does go to 2g here when i get calls :P | 00:45 |
| tripzero | i'm in 2.5 and i don't see any bars dropping | 00:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | mtnbkr: kerio yep works as pause (too? not so sure about wait-for-connect anymore) | 00:45 |
| ShadowJK | but again, that's 3km beyond the range my operator's map says is available | 00:46 |
| mtnbkr | AH! I got it! Shift S gives + and +1 areacode exchange number works for both! | 00:46 |
| ShadowJK | Fn S? | 00:47 |
| kerio | mtnbkr: just s works | 00:47 |
| mtnbkr | ShadowJK: I used shift S, but maybe just S works too | 00:47 |
| kerio | also, * on the virtual keyboard | 00:47 |
| ShadowJK | Yeah that makes sense, every non-qwerty keypad has + on * | 00:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer | +, p, *, 0..9, # working. Missing A, B, C, D, \, (comma), w | 00:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer | seems 'p' is a substitute for ',' | 00:52 |
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| kerio | abcd...? | 00:53 |
| kerio | wtf | 00:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | except when using it with international access prefixes that require you to wait 5s after prefix, befor continuing to dial | 00:53 |
| kerio | do they even make sense for cellular calls? | 00:53 |
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| kerio | aren't they DTMF tones? | 00:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | maybe that's just not applicable to GSM | 00:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | ABCD are dtmf | 00:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | the unknown fourth col | 00:54 |
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| kerio | heh | 00:54 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer: you're a phreaker! | 00:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | ever been | 00:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | comma is pause for 0.5s iirc, and 'w' is "wait for silence" | 00:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer | so also a dmtf command basically, though a passive one | 00:57 |
| microlith | nice | 00:59 |
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| microlith | BME completely failed to realize the capacity of my new battery | 00:59 |
| ShadowJK | What battery? | 01:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | microlith: you expected anything else?? | 01:00 |
| microlith | I expected the charge meter to be somewhat accurate :( | 01:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | bme doesn't even have any means to theoretically detect size of your new battery | 01:01 |
| kerio | fully recharge it and fully discharge it | 01:01 |
| microlith | until it goes through a full cycle or so? | 01:01 |
| ShadowJK | and there's no reliable method to detect state of charge of a newly inserted battery | 01:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | as Nokia afaik hasn't defined any other meaningful values for BSI other than 100kR for BL-5J | 01:01 |
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| ShadowJK | if I could attach multimeter to measure resistance I could give you a wide curve with the thermistor in mugen :) | 01:03 |
| kerio | ShadowJK: the beat-em-up engine? | 01:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | no use in that, as it's not supposed to be a thermistor :-P | 01:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer | So I actually wonder how mugen came up with this | 01:04 |
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| ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer, sure, but it's a varable resistor and I can stop/start bme and read out a new design.capacity value each time :) | 01:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | err | 01:05 |
| ShadowJK | maybe they just read some random forum post/blog claiming it's a thermistor | 01:05 |
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| ShadowJK | and put in one | 01:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | so you should attach a set of resistors and create a table of reported design cap vs R | 01:05 |
| ShadowJK | sounds easier to just change temperature | 01:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer | yep, so what's the problem in probing the resistance then, with same temperature? | 01:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | no DVM? | 01:06 |
| jaem_n900 | 'Afternoon | 01:07 |
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| jacekowski | so, anybody can recommend any decent music store? | 01:08 |
| jacekowski | with client software for maemo ideally | 01:08 |
| ShadowJK | I don't know of any | 01:08 |
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| blizzow | jacekowski: Transmission bittorrent client. | 01:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | of any what? | 01:08 |
| jaem_n900 | My N900 is refusing to pick up a cell signal for some reason. Is there a kick-in-the-butt command to reset things without rebooting? | 01:09 |
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| jaem_n900 | jacekowski, Jamendo has some good stuff, and it's all free | 01:09 |
| ShadowJK | Amazon was doing one where you could get files that actually work (plain mp3) through a browser.. but it's US only :/ | 01:09 |
| jacekowski | no | 01:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | jaem_n900: check dual for modem mode setting in system menu | 01:09 |
| jacekowski | i'm looking for normal music store | 01:09 |
| jacekowski | not for jamendo | 01:09 |
| ShadowJK | jaem_n900, check settings - phone, network mode dual, autpmatic operator selection | 01:10 |
| jaem_n900 | DocScrutinezer: It's still checked. I haven't touched the settings. It just dropped out on the bus a few hours ago and hasn't come back since. :S | 01:10 |
| jacekowski | there is a way of rebooting just a modem | 01:10 |
| jacekowski | either by gpio if it's hard stuck | 01:10 |
| jacekowski | or via phonet if it's still working | 01:11 |
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| jacekowski | nolo is doind that on boot | 01:11 |
| ShadowJK | Sometimes just going to offline mode for a minute helps | 01:11 |
| jacekowski | doing* | 01:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | anyway never should be necessary | 01:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: yep, but ^^^ | 01:11 |
| jacekowski | yeah, modem has it's own watchdog | 01:11 |
| jacekowski | that brings me to a thing | 01:12 |
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| jacekowski | i'm pretty sure that scheduler they use on modem isn't theirs | 01:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer | mhm | 01:12 |
| ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer, sure, but those bugs are never fixed. They're stuck in an infinite loop of nokia blaming operator for misconfigured network, and operator blaming nokia for crap firmware. | 01:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep, lol | 01:13 |
| jaem_n900 | ShadowJK, I tried toggling it offline. | 01:13 |
| jaem_n900 | jacekowski: Jamendo has a Maemo streaming/download client. | 01:13 |
| jacekowski | i'm not interested in jamendo | 01:13 |
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| * ShadowJK wonders why the hell there's still no easy way to legally buy music, that's easy and that works and that isn't too incompetent to take payment, it's 2010 already ffs | 01:15 | |
| DocScrutinizer | ack | 01:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | and please keep your 92k-mp3 crap, and give flac | 01:16 |
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| smhar | I am worried. I used my N900 extensively today until the battery was drained. when I was back home I charged it. but after half an hour, the indicator is still orange light. and I am not able to switch it on!! | 01:16 |
| jacekowski | it's in emergency charge mode | 01:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | use wallcharger, umplug and replug if light goies off, after 30min | 01:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer | do NOT try to boot | 01:18 |
| jacekowski | which means that battery is really flat | 01:18 |
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| kerio | emergency charge is somewhat broken | 01:18 |
| kerio | it charges reeeeeeeally slowly | 01:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | nope it doesn't | 01:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | it does when connected to PC | 01:18 |
| jacekowski | it's emergency charge | 01:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | on original charger it takes 550mA | 01:19 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer: normal charging is twice as fast | 01:19 |
| smhar | jacekowski, I am using the wall charger | 01:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | so what? | 01:19 |
| jacekowski | smhar: then wait | 01:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | use wallcharger, umplug and replug if light goies off, after 30min | 01:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | smhar: ^^^ | 01:19 |
| jacekowski | smhar: phone will boot itself when it's ready | 01:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | do NOT try to boot | 01:19 |
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| smhar | I replugged, and now there is no light. I am waiting | 01:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm, no light actually might be good sign | 01:20 |
| jacekowski | smhar: IF LIGHT GOES OFF | 01:20 |
| jacekowski | smhar: not before | 01:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | if it comes up in 2 minutes | 01:20 |
| jacekowski | smhar: now battery isn't charged enough for phone to boot | 01:20 |
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| jacekowski | smhar: but it will not go to emergency charge mode again | 01:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: should | 01:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | if nothing else helps, remove battery for 1 min | 01:21 |
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| kerio | there! are! four! lights! | 01:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes, and helicopters | 01:22 |
| Macer | my son and i are watching the never ending story | 01:23 |
| Macer | i never realized how twisted it was | 01:23 |
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| jacekowski | i need somebody to try to boot phone with id pin grounded and serial console enabled and usb-host-mode enabled in cal | 01:26 |
| jacekowski | and something connected to serial console | 01:26 |
| jacekowski | and see if it will detect usb host | 01:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | smhar: remove battery for 1 minute. Insert battery. Plug powered Nokia wallcharger to device. Watch steady amber. Let sit and charge. Do NOT try to boot. After 30 min, you got either a) a booted up N900, b) an flashing amber which means you can boot, c) steady amber going off - in this case start over again with unplugging and replugging charger to device | 01:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ~flatbatrecover is <reply> Remove battery for 1 minute. Insert battery. Plug powered Nokia wallcharger to device. Watch steady amber. Let sit and charge. Do NOT try to boot. After 30 min, you got either a) a booted up N900, b) an flashing amber which means you can boot, c) steady amber going off - in this case start over again with unplugging and replugging charger to device | 01:28 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer: okay | 01:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~flatbatrecover | 01:28 |
| infobot | Remove battery for 1 minute. Insert battery. Plug powered Nokia wallcharger to device. Watch steady amber. Let sit and charge. Do NOT try to boot. After 30 min, you got either a) a booted up N900, b) an flashing amber which means you can boot, c) steady amber going off - in this case start over again with unplugging and replugging charger to device | 01:28 |
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| smhar | docscrutinizer, battery remove for 1 min. replaced and charger replugged. immediately there was a vibration and welcome screen with 'Nokia', then it was off again. now the indicator is flashing amber light. | 01:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | let it charge, I'd suggest | 01:32 |
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| smhar | docscrutinizer, Ok.. I need to go to sleep so I will let it do its work. I am having a serious problem with battery life, that needs to be investigated later | 01:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | though you *probably* also could 'switch on' now, but odds are device is eating more battery than it's charging when on | 01:34 |
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| smhar | thanks docscrutinizer, and bye for now | 01:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm, you obviously have a nasty app that causes device to eat power like there's no tomorrow | 01:35 |
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| jacekowski | going back to my id pin grounding | 01:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | lol | 01:42 |
| jacekowski | where i can get microusb cable with that pin grounded or something? | 01:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | screwit | 01:42 |
| jacekowski | why? | 01:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | get a micro-mini adapter | 01:43 |
| jacekowski | does these adapters have that pin grounded? | 01:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | then get a mini-extension. Those I got have 5 wires ;-) | 01:43 |
| jacekowski | you can do it then | 01:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | nope, but they *should* be 5 wire full connect | 01:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | (the micro->mini) | 01:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | the 4 inches cable type micro->mine I got is 4 wire | 01:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-(( | 01:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://share.ovi.com/media/joerg900.public/joerg900.10027 | 01:45 |
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| jacekowski | btw. i've found a bug with headphones and phonecalls | 01:46 |
| jacekowski | headset* | 01:46 |
| jacekowski | when somebody called me and i plugged in headset | 01:46 |
| jacekowski | proximity sensor was still active | 01:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer | yep | 01:46 |
| tripzero | heh | 01:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: be happy it's not detecting the transient short on mic ring as a press of holdbutton and releases call, on plugin | 01:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | XP | 01:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: anyway ID is connected to GAYA only and not supposed to help a lot in switching musb controller core | 01:54 |
| jacekowski | maybe gaia is doing some shit and passing it to musb controller | 01:55 |
| jacekowski | besides, i think it's just pin that nolo is reading and then configuring usb properly | 01:56 |
| alterego | This FCam stuff is nice, though the examples aren't very Qt at all .. | 01:56 |
| alterego | I'm writing my own viewfinder widget at the moment. It's quite fun :) | 01:56 |
| alterego | Going to have nice pretty transparent overlays to create my UI with | 01:57 |
| alterego | I think I'll model it slightly on the built in camera application but obviously with the full customizations we have available through the FCam API's. And then I'll work on a filter plugin interface so I can write some neat filters I can distribute/package seperately if needed. | 01:58 |
| jacekowski | camera app that can save to png would be nice | 01:59 |
| SpeedEvil | the right way to do the filters is really DSP | 01:59 |
| SpeedEvil | but it's hard | 01:59 |
| alterego | jacekowski: I'll bare it in mind, configurable file format conversions. | 01:59 |
| SpeedEvil | jacekowski: it's in practice probably not very imporant. | 01:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: gaya can not pass anything to musb core directly, needs to go via cpu | 01:59 |
| SpeedEvil | jacekowski: the camera cannot physically resolve 5MP - the lens is not large enough. | 01:59 |
| alterego | s/conversions/saving format/ | 02:00 |
| infobot | alterego meant: jacekowski: I'll bare it in mind, configurable file format saving format. | 02:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | so no real use in ID pin | 02:00 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: why gaya? | 02:00 |
| SpeedEvil | And I need to do a resolution test at some point | 02:00 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: well, nolo is checking it | 02:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | well nolo is sw, so what is it nolo does to musb core and PHY that musb_core.c can't? | 02:00 |
| jacekowski | nothing | 02:01 |
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| alterego | According to docs the Native resolution of the N900's camera is 2592x1968 | 02:14 |
| alterego | SpeedEvil: ^ | 02:14 |
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| luke-jr | alterego: sounds about right | 02:15 |
| luke-jr | that's why there's black edges on left/right in Camera | 02:15 |
| alterego | Really? I see them at the top/bottom .. | 02:16 |
| alterego | I don't see any on the left or right edges. | 02:16 |
| luke-jr | left/right in landscape | 02:17 |
| luke-jr | also, I think it doesn't default to 5 MP | 02:17 |
| SpeedEvil | alterego: The native resolution of the sensor is that, yes. | 02:17 |
| SpeedEvil | alterego: The lens cannot physically resolve the incoming light onto independant pixels though. | 02:18 |
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| thunderfest | hello all | 02:18 |
| alterego | Heh min image size: 160x120 | 02:18 |
| alterego | Nice ... :D | 02:18 |
| alterego | I wonder what they look like .. | 02:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: musb core is waiting for a msg from PHY saying "ID grounded", via whatever interface those 2 chips are connected. This makes musb core enter host mode, and emit an IRQ to CPU to let driver know about the fact. N8x0 is doing sw controlled hostmode by sending a cmd *to* phy that makes phy *echo* a fake ID-gnd msg. 1707 doesn't know how to do that, and hw doesn't have ID of PHY connected, so only thing we can do is use force_host | 02:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | bit in musb core debug register | 02:26 |
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| jacekowski | so explain then why there is full usb host mode code in nolo | 02:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | or walk musb core thru a number of faked events on USB to simulate a HNP handover | 02:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | heritage? | 02:28 |
| jacekowski | it doesn't look like heritage | 02:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | from whatever times | 02:29 |
| jacekowski | at least not from different phone | 02:29 |
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| jacekowski | maybe different version | 02:29 |
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| jacekowski | but that would mean there was n900 version with host mode working | 02:29 |
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| SpeedEvil | There is rememnants int he code of an alternative phy IIRC | 02:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | remember N900 not always had 1707. There are surely some N900 protos somewhere that use GAYA PHY and probably have no problem with hostmode | 02:29 |
| jacekowski | why they added that chip anyways? | 02:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer | charger detection, recovery charging | 02:30 |
| alterego | INFO: Sensor Manufacturer: Nokia | 02:31 |
| alterego | INFO: Sensor Model: Nokia N900 | 02:31 |
| alterego | Teeheehee | 02:31 |
| alterego | Well, that was useless :) | 02:31 |
| jacekowski | emergency charging isn't dependant on 1707 | 02:32 |
| jacekowski | fast emergency charge is | 02:32 |
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| jacekowski | and as i've noticed they had different charger chip as well | 02:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer | well, probably the other charger chip didn't play nicely with 1707 | 02:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | anyway rumour has it fist version of GAYA had no charger-detect so they needed another PHY | 02:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | first* | 02:35 |
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| jacekowski | when did it became GAYA? | 02:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | by now they probably happiöly could revert to original design, as GAYA knows to detect charger meanwhile. Isn't that a sarcastic joke of reality? | 02:36 |
| ds3 | if it is like other setups, the 1707 to OMAP3 should be a ULPI bus | 02:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | it is | 02:37 |
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| DocScrutinizer | that's why swapping PHY was simple. GAYA has ULPI as well | 02:37 |
| ds3 | so it should be a matter of implement the hostmode command in the MUSB driver and have that send a command to the PHY | 02:38 |
| LjL | so in the end i've got a used Motorola Milestone rather than a used N900. wonder if i made the best choice. i guess i could always sell it and get an N900 once i know Android and MeeGo work properly on it! :| | 02:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | nope, the 1707 doesn't know about the magic command to fake a grounded IDD pin | 02:39 |
| ds3 | OTG does not require grounded ID pin for hostmode | 02:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | nope it also can do HNP | 02:39 |
| jacekowski | does HNP work with n900 with stock kernel? | 02:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | see my lengthy post some lines above, starting[2010-07-24 01:26:11] <DocScrutinizer> jacekowski: musb core is waiting for a msg from PHY saying "ID | 02:40 |
| ds3 | HNP is mostly code in the MUSB stuff | 02:40 |
| ds3 | there is some things the PHY needs to signal but that is mainly for OTG-OTG connections | 02:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | basically it should, but PHY isn't connected to VBUS directly, instead it has a 1k saying "for device-mode-only devices only" in app notes | 02:41 |
| alterego | The N900 can't do the strobe effect like in the fcam demos | 02:41 |
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| ds3 | the lack of connection to VBUS would prevent it from doing full HNP support against another OTG device | 02:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | ds3: not exactly, it's always the statemachine in musb core controller hw that gives us the headache | 02:42 |
| ds3 | but we don't care about that | 02:42 |
| ds3 | DocScrutinizer: that gives everyone headaches :( | 02:42 |
| ds3 | has anyone actually tried just implementing the code for the PHY and seeing if the host command works like on the 8x0? | 02:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | statemachine in musbcore can go to hostmode on a) ID-gnd signal from PHY, b) HNP sequence of evens from PHY, c) force_host in debug register | 02:44 |
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| FireFly | Hi, when I plug the N900 in as USB mass storage mode, it appears as two /dev/sd* devices, but neither has any partitions (only the sd(letter) devices). Any idea why? | 02:44 |
| alterego | FireFly: the 32G storage doesn't have any partitions, you just mount the device. | 02:44 |
| FireFly | Hm | 02:44 |
| alterego | And if you've not got a micro SD inserted, that wont show up with partitions either, just device node. | 02:44 |
| luke-jr | 27G* | 02:44 |
| alterego | (I think. | 02:44 |
| FireFly | I'm pretty sure I have a microSD plugged in, though | 02:45 |
| alterego | luke-jr: Shouldn't that be 32G* (* NB: Not really 32G) | 02:45 |
| alterego | :P | 02:45 |
| alterego | FireFly: maybe it is not partitioned. | 02:45 |
| FireFly | Oh | 02:45 |
| luke-jr | alterego: nah, 27G | 02:45 |
| FireFly | Prehaps | 02:45 |
| FireFly | Perhaps* | 02:45 |
| FireFly | Anyway, mounting MyDocs went fine | 02:45 |
| FireFly | thanks | 02:45 |
| alterego | luke-jr: is this where you tell me it's American gigs too? :P | 02:45 |
| alterego | I'm going to have some serious fun tomorrow I think ... | 02:46 |
| luke-jr | alterego: no, it's really 27 GB :p | 02:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | ds3: N8x0 has completely different PHY | 02:46 |
| luke-jr | alterego: the entire eMMC is 29 GB, and Maemo uses 2 GB for /home | 02:46 |
| alterego | Serious fun with Qt, fcam and gstreamer. | 02:47 |
| alterego | But now it is bed time :) | 02:47 |
| ds3 | DocScrutinizer: yes, that's why I said implementing the PHY code | 02:47 |
| jacekowski | 32GiB | 02:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ds3: actually probably nobody did | 02:47 |
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| ds3 | DocScrutinizer: the 4030 PHY also lacks the code to do this... i been meaning to get that code implemented | 02:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | as the datasheets are quite clear about that. It doesn't support the command. So if it's not a secret leftover or sth | 02:48 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: so why would that id pin be connected at all then | 02:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | good question | 02:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | probably they just kept the connection from times where GAYA was PHY | 02:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | as it would be utterly insane to remove it anyway | 02:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | ds3: not sure about 4030 GAYA. You probably could reprogram the GPIO that's connected to ID | 02:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | so brute force ID pin to any state you like | 02:50 |
| luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: too slow | 02:51 |
| luke-jr | I just got host mode working | 02:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer | also I'm not informed about PHY in GAYA capability to deal with that command sent down the ULPI | 02:51 |
| MohammadAG51 | luke-jr, well, everyone can talk from their arse :P | 02:52 |
| luke-jr | not sure I can repeat it yet tho | 02:52 |
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| DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: well, that's nice news, but not yet anything particularly new | 02:52 |
| luke-jr | if you send just the right signals to the 5MP cam (requires new fcam drivers) and the FM transmitter, you can materialize a trace from the ID pin to a spare GPIO | 02:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | quite a number of people got hostmode working, with at least 2 methods | 02:53 |
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| luke-jr | with some tweaking, maybe OTG support | 02:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: that's novel though | 02:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-D | 02:53 |
| luke-jr | just gotta get the lead from the GPIO to the USB socket | 02:53 |
| luke-jr | :D | 02:53 |
| luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: indeed. it'd be the killer app of free software, since I'd patent it and use a really viral license :D | 02:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | google for prodders | 02:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-D | 02:55 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I'm thinking about hybrid prodders, combined with organic semiconductors | 02:55 |
| luke-jr | Used as a disparaging term for a Protestant. prod (pr d). tr.v. prod·ded, prod· ding, prods. 1. To jab or poke, as with a pointed object. ... | 02:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | the sort you can print with a ink printer | 02:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ooops, they are called fabers | 02:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | fabbers even | 02:58 |
| * DocScrutinizer needs a beer | 02:59 | |
| luke-jr | lol | 02:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | o/ | 02:59 |
| luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: google Fab@Home | 02:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep | 02:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | exactly | 02:59 |
| luke-jr | I wait patiently for fab-on-demand | 03:00 |
| luke-jr | Fab@Home seems unrealistic IMO | 03:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'm thinking about very special hybrid fabbers. you can do a lot of interesting things, by combining several technologies here | 03:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer | but now... BEEEEEEER | 03:02 |
| luke-jr | fabbing beer? | 03:02 |
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| luke-jr | "Buying all of the parts for a Model 1 currently costs about $2400. The Model Two is expected to cost approximately $1,300." | 03:03 |
| luke-jr | out of my budget :( | 03:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | the fabber I think about will cost $$$$$$$, for a first prototype | 03:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | and still can do no beer :-D | 03:05 |
| luke-jr | it says any liquid... :/ | 03:05 |
| luke-jr | though I wonder how | 03:05 |
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| * luke-jr ponders if the Fab@Home can build all the parts for a Fab@Home :p | 03:09 | |
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| Macer | haha | 03:26 |
| luke-jr | this thing looks too inaccurate to make anything electronic :/ | 03:27 |
| luke-jr | http://fabathomebeta.mae.cornell.edu/wiki/uploads/1/17/Chocolate4.mpg | 03:27 |
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| ds3 | if you want something that works, get a Dimension | 03:30 |
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| luke-jr | "uPrint is compact enough to fit on your desktop; simple enough for no-hassle setup and operation; and — best of all — affordable enough for most users, no matter your profession or office size." | 03:32 |
| luke-jr | "starting at only $14,900* USD" | 03:32 |
| luke-jr | riiiiiight | 03:32 |
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| ds3 | the dimension stuff puts out pretty good stuff... I much rather blow $14K on something that works then $2K on something that doesn't | 03:32 |
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| luke-jr | how many materials does it support? | 03:33 |
| luke-jr | can I have it make all my meals? | 03:33 |
| ds3 | the demo I went to was with ABS | 03:33 |
| ds3 | and they can do overhangs that the fab@home/reprap guys can't | 03:33 |
| luke-jr | in any case, I don't have even $2K to waste on a toy | 03:35 |
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| ds3 | *nod* | 03:35 |
| luke-jr | on top of that, I'd have to buy the materials for anything I make | 03:35 |
| luke-jr | so I don't know if it could ever pay for itself | 03:35 |
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| jef91 | can I assign a ring tone per person on the n900? | 03:36 |
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| Macer | flash uses p2p bandwidth sharing? | 03:37 |
| Macer | wtf? :) | 03:37 |
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| luke-jr | on the bright side, $14K might not be bad if someone wants to invest in a fab-on-demand company... | 03:37 |
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| Macer | jef91: no | 03:41 |
| Macer | luke-jr: you wouldn't make anything worth buying anyways | 03:41 |
| luke-jr | Macer: you missed it | 03:41 |
| Macer | even if you had enough money to buy 10 of them. they would be 10 paper weights in a couple of months with nothing useful produced from them | 03:42 |
| luke-jr | Macer: you clearly have no idea what fab-on-demand means | 03:42 |
| Macer | clearly | 03:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | jef91: yes | 03:43 |
| luke-jr | it means YOU provide the design you want fabbed, and can order it in quantities as low as 1 | 03:43 |
| luke-jr | so instead of spending $14K on your own fab, you just have the company fab and ship it to you | 03:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | jef91: search talk.maemo.org, somewere next to keyword espeak you'll find the way to go | 03:45 |
| Macer | your intent was to consider having one in order to have your own fab on deman shop for personal projects. and you are correct. it would be a useless toy that would not produce anything useful for yourself or society other than a few brief moments of seeing it do anything at all | 03:46 |
| luke-jr | Macer: now you're not only ignorant, but just trolling | 03:47 |
| Macer | little bit. but still the truth nonetheless | 03:47 |
| Macer | BUT.. i have to see if someone ported carman to maemo5 or meego :) | 03:47 |
| luke-jr | actually, if I had one, it would produce at least 2 useful things for myself | 03:47 |
| luke-jr | so f u | 03:47 |
| Macer | i really want carman back | 03:47 |
| Macer | no kidding. carman is in dev ? :) now that is great news | 03:49 |
| Macer | too bad i can't find my damn n810. i have no idea where the hell that thing went. i think i lost it in the move :( | 03:49 |
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| Macer | wtf are n810s like 225$? | 03:50 |
| * DocScrutinizer makes note to diary that after 8 months still a popular simple way t have per-contact ringtones and profiles in general is missing. Wonder why some of the most obvious apps never seem to happen | 03:51 | |
| Macer | screw that. i'll get a car mount for my n900 haha.. what a gyp. n800 for $200? i suppose a lesson in scarcity | 03:51 |
| Macer | DocScrutinizer: because the *OS is abandoned ;) | 03:51 |
| Macer | *see meego | 03:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | wait til we abandon *you* :-P | 03:52 |
| Macer | is nokia ditching symbian after the n8? | 03:53 |
| Macer | i thought i heard it was the last phone they were going to use with symbian on it | 03:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | npe, only for N-series | 03:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | or top notch smartphones in general | 03:54 |
| Macer | http://mynokiablog.com/2010/02/22/meego-to-replace-symbian-in-the-future-as-nokia-goes-beyond-smartphones/ | 03:54 |
| Macer | hm | 03:54 |
| Macer | can't really trust a blog tho | 03:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | -as-nokia-goes-beyond-smartphones/ | 03:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | is the key | 03:54 |
| Macer | so symbian will remain for what exactly? low end phones? | 03:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep | 03:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | aiui | 03:55 |
| Macer | so their entire shift will be towards meego in the future and they have already started working on it? | 03:55 |
| Toa | Is Symbian superior to Maemo/Meego in any way currently? | 03:55 |
| ljp | symbian is for middle range phones. s40 is for low end | 03:55 |
| psycho_oreos | symbian was a piece of shit | 03:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | lorrn, right | 03:56 |
| Macer | psycho_oreos: a lot of people say differently ;) | 03:56 |
| ljp | symbian is secure | 03:56 |
| Macer | i had a friend of mine compare it to "the fbsd of phones" | 03:56 |
| psycho_oreos | Macer, yes like every other OS regardless if its for phone or not | 03:56 |
| Macer | and he is a huge fbsd lover ;) | 03:56 |
| Macer | psycho_oreos: true | 03:56 |
| psycho_oreos | ljp, even if symbian is secure, it doesn't mean maemo can't be hardened | 03:57 |
| Macer | i just find it odd that realistically maemo5 had such a short life span | 03:57 |
| Toa | It's been out for quite a long time, so I imagine it has a larger set of applications available for it. Am I correct? | 03:57 |
| Macer | i mean honestly .. once a good working version of meego comes out for n900... i doubt anybody will be running maemo 5 anymore | 03:57 |
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| psycho_oreos | and symbian to me was a pure example of security through obscurity | 03:57 |
| Macer | other than people unwilling to accept it and let go :) | 03:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | Macer: and that opinion is based on what exactly? | 03:58 |
| ljp | symbian security goes beyond that | 03:58 |
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| i0h | hi | 03:58 |
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| psycho_oreos | Toa, as to symbian vs maemo? probably, but maemo was aimed more at tablet users or generally linux fans, symbian had more exposure due to its phone functionality | 03:58 |
| Macer | DocScrutinizer: well. on the fact that development for meego will be rather similar. that meego has its roots in maemo probably making development easy to swap over to. meego will be used on future nokia models whereas maemo will no longer be used... etc | 03:58 |
| Macer | stuff like that. | 03:58 |
| i0h | my n810 cant access any of sd cards. any program attempting to access either internal or external sd just hangs :( | 03:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | Macer: and how would that make me swap my OS short term? | 03:59 |
| i0h | however they are present at /dev | 03:59 |
| Macer | make you swap your os short term? | 03:59 |
| psycho_oreos | and that is the exact reason why I loathed n95-1, from the time I bought it from store I've had numerous phone reboots, and the OS telling me what I can't do.. which is absolute stupidity | 03:59 |
| i0h | any ideas? | 04:00 |
| Macer | psycho_oreos: i loved my n95 tbh | 04:00 |
| psycho_oreos | Macer, never did, never will | 04:00 |
| Macer | at the time it was an awesome piece of hardware | 04:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | Macer: maybe like KDE4 hype, where everybody is jumping train just for the "4" in it | 04:00 |
| psycho_oreos | it was an awesome piece of hardware laced with shitty OS named symbian | 04:00 |
| Macer | DocScrutinizer: possibly. but i would consider the larger fact of it being a linux based distro just like maemo and a future nokia roadmap | 04:01 |
| Macer | not to mention the other devices that will try to use it | 04:01 |
| ljp | psycho_oreos: I think you are confusing symbian with nokia's interface | 04:01 |
| psycho_oreos | the future of maemo already lies in the path of meego, its successor | 04:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | is of ZERO relevance to me, my N900 and the apps I've configured after careful selection | 04:02 |
| Macer | whereas maemo 5 will eventually go stale since nokia will hve dropped all official support for it and the community relies on the resources of joe developer to create things for it | 04:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | BS | 04:02 |
| Macer | i mean don't get me wrong. maemo 5 is great. but if meego acts more like a phone on my phone along with the power of the underlying maemo base | 04:02 |
| psycho_oreos | ljp, no I'm not confused, I have had issues with OS telling me that I can't install unsigned packages or signed packages whereby the certificate does not exist on the device itself. Then there's issues with stupid camera shutter sounds which you can't turn it off legally.. then there's issues with accessing C:\ on symbian for example | 04:03 |
| Macer | then it makes for a better phone OS | 04:03 |
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| psycho_oreos | ljp, and that's just the tip of the iceberg for my issues with symbian | 04:04 |
| Macer | unfortunately whether community developers want to believe it or not.. the n900 is a PHONE. it is not a tablet that happens to be a phone. it is a step forward and requires acting like a phone. | 04:04 |
| psycho_oreos | someone is severely out of touch with what n900 was | 04:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | so waht? | 04:04 |
| Macer | so all nokia support will be put behind meego and you will find 3 guys working on a stale maemo 5 in their parents basement because they have some niche thing they always wanted to get working | 04:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'm using N900 as a phone on a everyday basis, and I actually had *#-ena published for others to do the same | 04:05 |
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| psycho_oreos | there's nothing wrong with people developing for legacy devices, there's always has and always will be fans of old/discontinued products | 04:06 |
| Macer | DocScrutinizer: heh. a phone is not just talking. it is a way of use. | 04:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | N900 is no less a phone than any other smartphone out there, and meego will take a looong time to get on par. | 04:06 |
| Macer | DocScrutinizer: depends on how much support is being pushed into it which appears as quite a bit | 04:06 |
| Macer | it is definately moving way faster than mer was | 04:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | what do you dream when you're asleep? | 04:07 |
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| psycho_oreos | probably the death of maemo fans ;) | 04:07 |
| Macer | haha.. no way. don't get me wrong. i love maemo 5 and my n900. honestly do. | 04:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | Macer: see, I'm using some linux version from 2006 on some of my machines. Guess why | 04:08 |
| Macer | because there is no need to upgrade? ;) | 04:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | exactly | 04:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer | the thing does the job, and never change a running system | 04:09 |
| psycho_oreos | you're constantly belittling n900 is all I can see, n900 lacks features of what a phone is capable of and compared to n95 it is a far cry of being more complete of a phone.. above all what is not the real issue is the device itself, the issue is with people are having hard time to grasp the difference between what was once off a series of NIT that had phone capability on it compared to devices that has been around on much more bigger market and | 04:09 |
| psycho_oreos | has had time to mature | 04:09 |
| Macer | phones are tools of the masses and the majority of the money always wins DocScrutinizer | 04:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | zero need to improve *anything* | 04:09 |
| Macer | nokia is a company. it goes where the money is | 04:10 |
| Macer | and money is found in innovative new products ... not by clinging onto old things that go stale. that was palm. | 04:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | Macer: again: why would *I* change to meego then?? | 04:11 |
| mortini | Macer: or, rather, where it *thinks* the money is. | 04:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | as that's been your original statement | 04:11 |
| Macer | mortini: touche ;) | 04:11 |
| psycho_oreos | because he wants you to become a geek, spend more money on new devices that hasn't even come out yet | 04:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer | obviously | 04:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | and that's getting annoying and boring | 04:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | I used my last phone for 8 years | 04:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | with a short intermezzo on FR for 9 months | 04:13 |
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| psycho_oreos | the 770/Nxxx series were specifically meant to be NIT devices, all except for n900 where there's interested NIT users who wants phone capability, and it was purely slapped on. It wasn't refined, but this is also the cause of why such debates exist between tablet users and phone users | 04:13 |
| ljp | psycho_oreos: that is the way symbian was designed. its secure | 04:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | and I'm planning to use N900 for at least 4 | 04:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | exactly the way it is *right now* | 04:14 |
| psycho_oreos | ljp, some old article I read awhile ago said that symbian powered phones weren't secure, installing of some 3rd party app renders the device easily hackable. As soon as the email was sent off to symbian, they quickly reacted and turned symbian into some police state OS | 04:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | if not bought a promise on a bright future, I got me a device that meets my needs right now | 04:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer | and that will not 'stall' | 04:15 |
| psycho_oreos | ljp, thus I'm sure there's a fair few angered users over symbian's tough on security approach that is well beyond restrictive-ness... and if they really want a phone like that there's always iphone, blackberry or win mobile | 04:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | hell, I even can update kernel on my pertty own, if I feel like | 04:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | and meego offival as of Nokia, for N900, will never happen anyway, so wtf should I feel like abandoning maemo as soon as a half-cooked meego is released ? | 04:18 |
| psycho_oreos | I never wanted to buy a device that controls me, its a waste of my money, I never expected symbian to be like that and now that I know how shitty it was I will never own another symbian powered OS, it has always been a POS.. obsessive on security and lack of flexibility | 04:19 |
| psycho_oreos | a crude way to look at things would be to say those who own such devices who controls their freedom just wants to be controlled.. like master and slave | 04:20 |
| Toa | I'm in the market for a new phone, and I really like my N810, but would prefer not to spend $450 on a phone/computer that is very dependant on the community for its applications if the developers will dry up if the next device releases soon. | 04:20 |
| ljp | psycho_oreos: symbians security model was not some quickly done reaction to a magazine article. operators had more to do with it | 04:20 |
| Macer | as opposed to their continued support for maemo? | 04:21 |
| psycho_oreos | ljp, apparently it was a rather swift action and there's no way to disable any of such stupid implementations without hacking the firmware | 04:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | Toa: if there's any app you are missing on N900 from nokia now, then go search for your dream elsewhere | 04:22 |
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| Macer | Toa: galaxy s looks pretty nice for an android phone | 04:22 |
| returnthis | Toa: all options suck. iPhone is a jail, Android is java on a phone (lots of apps though). n900 is linux on a phone, but at end of line | 04:22 |
| Macer | Toa: one might go so far as to say it is an android version of an iphone.. the videos of them side by side were comical :) | 04:23 |
| returnthis | I bought the n900 before nokia did the confusing meego switch. right now I have no idea which phone I would get | 04:23 |
| Macer | i was expecting it to boot with an apple symbol | 04:23 |
| ljp | psycho_oreos: trust me, nothing in nokia is donr swiftly | 04:24 |
| psycho_oreos | and the switch from maemo to meego happened to be a joint venture between two companies sharing different styles. Sure its inevitable that n900 will be the last of maemo 5 which will be the last of the maemo series but for now meego seems to be the future | 04:24 |
| psycho_oreos | ljp, so you're saying it was symbian's fault for implementing those stupid security stuff and not having the ability to turn them off? | 04:24 |
| Toa | What makes it more confusing is some of the carriers (like AT&T) lock down their Android phones so the user can only use their apps. | 04:25 |
| Macer | psycho_oreos: it will be interesting to see if a good meego beta comes out in a bit | 04:25 |
| Macer | for n900 | 04:25 |
| ljp | i am saying there was a demand for it. it was the way symbian was designed to work. | 04:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | please would everybody go read http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=45213 - before I get angry and start kicking asses | 04:25 |
| ljp | psycho_oreos: or rather, s60 | 04:26 |
| psycho_oreos | Macer, maybe but I'm not keen on dualbooting meego until its more stable | 04:26 |
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| psycho_oreos | ljp, designed to work.. so its fundamentally flawed in not being user friendly enough to give the end users flexibility? | 04:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | returnthis: what confusing switch? whether next release of OS for N-series is called maemo or meego, it simply won't run on N900 when designed for a c-ts mt device without hw kbd | 04:28 |
| psycho_oreos | that's probably why symbian fails | 04:28 |
| ljp | psycho_oreos: not a flaw.thats how its supposed to work | 04:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | returnthis: so I honnestly wonder how your N900 got any less worth and value by Nokia developing a OS that integrates moblin | 04:28 |
| Macer | psycho_oreos: Stskeeps said it would be best to wait until a little later on to try it out and i will do that eventually just to see how far it has come | 04:28 |
| psycho_oreos | ljp, again you're simply indicating that symbian is no better than the likse of iOS, blackberry or win mobile in terms of controlling users's freedom | 04:29 |
| Macer | i'm sure it will be a little while but i ran my G1 for quite a while and it only got better but eventually the hardware was dated | 04:29 |
| ljp | psycho_oreos: at least users and developers do not have to rely on one companys graces to be able to sell apps | 04:29 |
| psycho_oreos | ljp, more like pay $ x 1000 for the right to develop the software on symbian | 04:30 |
| psycho_oreos | hardly different | 04:30 |
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| Macer | psycho_oreos: don't think the goal of "open" symbian was to really be open :) | 04:35 |
| ljp | psycho_oreos: that is changing | 04:36 |
| psycho_oreos | Macer, during my time of ownership of n95, symbian was never open, there were works underway but it would never reach into my hands | 04:36 |
| psycho_oreos | ljp, changing at a very late time too bad | 04:36 |
| ljp | not too late at all | 04:37 |
| Macer | ljp: well. if symbian is meant for middle range phones and meego is for the upper smart-phones | 04:37 |
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| Macer | at least if that is the nokia roadmap... then who would want to develop for a phone that comes out as outdated hardware? | 04:38 |
| * SpeedEvil is bored. Bored since Sat Jul 24 00:23. | 04:38 | |
| psycho_oreos | well in nokia's case for example, symbian will soon be powering lower priced nokia phones, I'm sure there will be a few other companies soon to follow now that android is taking a serious share on the market | 04:38 |
| Macer | yeah. android did kind of take off. it was a total piece of shit when it first came out on my G1 :) | 04:38 |
| Macer | cyanogen did absolutely awesome work on his community devs | 04:39 |
| returnthis | DocScrutinizer: its the promise of an application ecosystem is what really matters. with the move to meego, n900 is not going to get much more attention for new apps. | 04:39 |
| psycho_oreos | the key point is that it was shit but because its slightly far more open sourced than symbian (which could probably be labelled as open symbian) it had gain far more audience, devs, etc | 04:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | returnthis: would you fsckng please read http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=45213 | 04:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | if you already did, then I strongly suggest you do again | 04:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | applications built for Qt are ported back to maemo on the push of a button | 04:41 |
| Toa | DocScrutinizer, thanks for that link. It was very informative. | 04:42 |
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| Macer | Next step. You're worried you are getting left behind in terms of applications from 3rd parties targetting Maemo6 and MeeGo. | 04:42 |
| Macer | DocScrutinizer: heh. i'm more intrested in the ui | 04:42 |
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| Macer | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QqeeQd-YNL0 | 04:44 |
| Macer | i mean that is so pretty :) | 04:44 |
| psycho_oreos | Macer, who? me? never, I'm quite happy with n900 as it is, sure its incomplete masterpiece and its my very first maemo device. I'm quite happy to acquire linux that now has phone functionalities (albeit far from complete but meh) and at least an OS that isn't as restrictive as what shitian was | 04:44 |
| Macer | shitian hahha | 04:45 |
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| psycho_oreos | albeit linux on phone isn't new, I've missed the boat a few times and now managed to grasp one | 04:47 |
| psycho_oreos | phone/internet tablet | 04:47 |
| SpeedEvil | linux on a fairly open phone intentionally is pretty new. | 04:50 |
| psycho_oreos | if symbian had been more friendly by providing flexibility to the end user, I would not be having my beef about how my past experience of how shitty symbian was.. and most likely would have bought X6 or N8. At the end of the day I want a device that obeys me, if I tell it to go fuck itself, it would as you would expect on linux.. not like go fuck yourself instead on windows or you need valid signed certificate for that | 04:50 |
| psycho_oreos | valid and signed certificate on symbian | 04:51 |
| psycho_oreos | and probably by then it'll probably say the same thing as windows after all that effort.. access denied | 04:51 |
| Toa | Macer: You're right, that's a great looking UI. I wonder how much it affects battery life. | 04:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: not THAT new :-) | 04:54 |
| psycho_oreos | still linux on phone is no longer new, Qtopia (trolltech) had the first slice of linux on phone, then came early HTC breeds with linux (supposedly) | 04:55 |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: to be fair, the neo1973/freerunner were not an open phone really until fairly recently. | 04:56 |
| SpeedEvil | At least unless you picked a 'golden' software version, and stuck with it. | 04:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | ?? | 04:56 |
| SpeedEvil | _phone_ | 04:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer | aah yes | 04:56 |
| psycho_oreos | I don't think much of the older linux phones had that much openness either way :) | 04:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | XP | 04:56 |
| SpeedEvil | they were an open phone-shaped-object - with a broken software stack. | 04:57 |
| mortini | imo, n900 is great if you want a 'portable computer', but it kinda blows if you want a lot of spiffy apps already written | 04:57 |
| SpeedEvil | psycho_oreos: Android was the first 'open' phone probably - you could buy the unlocked one. The OS is _very_ not 'normal' linux though. | 04:57 |
| psycho_oreos | freerunner was somewhat ill-equipped for average phone users at the time, it remained much like enthusiast type of phone much like how n900 is | 04:58 |
| psycho_oreos | SpeedEvil, problem is I've heard rumours G1 was the only phone with unlocked bootloader, so its not all that open in other sense either | 04:58 |
| SpeedEvil | n900 is - I think - a mostly workable phone (I've had worse phones) with a comparatively open stack, though with closed blobs,and a normal userspace. | 04:59 |
| SpeedEvil | I don't really count iphone or android if you have to root it. | 04:59 |
| mortini | given phone regulations, can only be so open | 04:59 |
| psycho_oreos | don't know why you bothered to mention iphail in the first place ;) | 04:59 |
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| SpeedEvil | mortini: the software stack is almost irrelevant to that. In almost all cases (but the cheapest phones) the modem stack runs on a different CPU. | 05:00 |
| psycho_oreos | and yes I generally agree that n900 is a more workable phone albeit I have little experience with userspace stuff, etc | 05:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | mortini: regulations don't hinder openness, as modem is a subsystem as blackboxy to you as the OS on your USB storage cornroller chip | 05:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | and you don't care | 05:01 |
| mortini | I wanna combine opera & moz & built-in browser. since they all have things i like and dislike. | 05:01 |
| mortini | mostly, i just want a mail app that doesn't suck. | 05:01 |
| mortini | and can handle more than 5 messages in an inbox | 05:01 |
| mortini | ah | 05:01 |
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| TermanaN900 | good morning | 05:02 |
| mortini | you insist. | 05:02 |
| mortini | If. You. Insist. | 05:02 |
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| Toa | mortini: You can tinker with many electronics (wireless routers, for instance) to make them perform in such a way that they are outside regulations. Why they don't have them more locked down to prevent it, I don't know. | 05:05 |
| SpeedEvil | The mail app on n900 is opensource. Modest. | 05:05 |
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| mortini | SpeedEvil: yeah, and based on libtinymail which, somehow is 'tiny' and includes gtk widgets. | 05:06 |
| mortini | Toa: mostly becasue you can't actually modify the radio in any meaningful way | 05:07 |
| Toa | mortini: Well, you could, for example, boost the output of the antennas to go well beyond regulations. | 05:08 |
| * mortini shrugs. | 05:09 | |
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| luke-jr | I need a gear to move a vertical stick downward at a rate of 8 Mt/Tim, with a pendulum that has a timmill interval | 05:11 |
| luke-jr | any ideas? | 05:11 |
| Toa | mortini: But you're right, the telecommunications networks are much more regulated and enforced than the wifi spectrum. | 05:13 |
| SpeedEvil | luke-jr: use sensible units? | 05:16 |
| SpeedEvil | wtf... | 05:16 |
| SpeedEvil | Wierd bongy noises and shutoff. | 05:16 |
| SpeedEvil | It was plugged in and not on 3G | 05:16 |
| luke-jr | SpeedEvil: why? | 05:17 |
| luke-jr | tonal units are the only sensible ones.. | 05:17 |
| chi | where is the media library db stored in maemo? | 05:17 |
| mortini | SpeedEvil: i started writing my own client, but then i got mindf'd on the whole deal and sorta gave up | 05:17 |
| SpeedEvil | hmm - device read error | 05:17 |
| SpeedEvil | (usb) | 05:17 |
| SpeedEvil | (on the host side) | 05:17 |
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| chi | or rather how can i clear all past user info from maemo? | 05:18 |
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| luke-jr | has anyone tested my GPS stuff from scratch yet? :P | 05:20 |
| Macer | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j6gGEn9HaCE&feature=related | 05:21 |
| luke-jr | Macer: test my GPS stuff. | 05:21 |
| Macer | i'm going to bed. i am just watching this iphone 3gs / n900 video | 05:22 |
| SpeedEvil | luke-jr: no, I meant to, then I got ambushed by a kangaroo wielding a scimitar. | 05:22 |
| luke-jr | wtf | 05:22 |
| SpeedEvil | Oops - you're right - sorry - it was a sabre. | 05:22 |
| Macer | SpeedEvil: HAHAHAHAH | 05:22 |
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| Toa | chi: There is a reset the device option in the control panel, I believe | 05:28 |
| Toa | chi: Or, you can simply reflash the device by using your computer. | 05:29 |
| luke-jr | SpeedEvil: wd! | 05:29 |
| Toa | chi: I suppose I should ask what device you have. | 05:29 |
| SpeedEvil | luke-jr: In reality - I forgot, and I'd ave to go outside and get it, and charge it, and ... | 05:30 |
| luke-jr | SpeedEvil: you won the game <.< | 05:30 |
| SpeedEvil | Unfortunately not. I have no large catgirl harem on the moon. | 05:31 |
| Macer | SpeedEvil: :) the scimitar was a way better choice of weapon | 05:31 |
| SpeedEvil | Macer: I am not resonsible for the state of kangaroo armaments. | 05:32 |
| Macer | haha | 05:32 |
| Macer | yeah. a kangaroo right of passage is smelting their own blade | 05:32 |
| chi | n900 | 05:33 |
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| chi | i think i will then. thanks Toa =) | 05:42 |
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| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: failure to start charging? (though I never seen it happen on USB hosts) | 06:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: anyway that's exactly what happened to me a few hours ago, see backscroll | 06:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | on wallcharger | 06:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer | or, more clearly: This a tonal-free zone, including all units, numbers, and other concepts based on tonal. This applies particularly to user luke-jr | 06:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer | no kidding | 06:51 |
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| TermanaN900 | what have i missed? | 06:51 |
| * TermanaN900 grabs popcorn | 06:51 | |
| DocScrutinizer | nah, eat your popcorn while watching TV. Here's nothing happening, move on | 06:52 |
| luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: discrimination! | 06:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | nope, enforcing of a minimum of common sense. Tonal indoctrination isn't appreciated, as is trolling about Qt being a lib, a preprocessor extension, or a programming language in it's own right | 06:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | I get my daily WTF elsewhere | 06:55 |
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| luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: you'll have to ban metric too then. and inches/feet/etc just to be fair. no units allowed. | 06:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | so let me put it simple: OT discussions are stopped as soon as somebody complains. I complain | 06:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer | discussion here subsumes statements and remarks that nobody is answering on, aka trolling | 06:58 |
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| * luke-jr wonders what with the ops here and their bad moods today | 06:59 | |
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| Stskeeps | morn slonopotamus | 07:10 |
| slonopotamus | Stskeeps: morn, yep | 07:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | UGT | 07:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer | though, actually dawn outside :-S | 07:11 |
| chi | Toa, i flashed it and everything went fine. old contacts and what not are still there =/ | 07:12 |
| * slonopotamus had terrible headache since tuesday and isn't very happy about that. | 07:12 | |
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| DocScrutinizer | Toa: sure, most of that is in your homedir, and that's not even touched on flashing the rootfs | 07:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | chi: ^^^ | 07:13 |
| chi | i went through there already heh | 07:13 |
| chi | will just deleted it all i guess | 07:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | a backup and restore will still give you most of that, even after eMMC flash | 07:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | otoh if complete erasure is what you're after, maybe give settings a try, there are some erase all private data and restore factory settings options | 07:15 |
| chi | ooooh there it is | 07:16 |
| * chi grins | 07:16 | |
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| chi | great, it wants an unlock cod | 07:19 |
| chi | e | 07:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | 1234 | 07:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | iirc | 07:19 |
| * chi shakes his head | 07:19 | |
| DocScrutinizer | I'd shake head if those options were's double-secured | 07:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | ooops, weren't | 07:20 |
| Stskeeps | 12345 | 07:21 |
| pigeon | hmm, the software update check on the n900 could be quite annoying sometimes... | 07:21 |
| chi | nope | 07:22 |
| * DocScrutinizer wonders if meanwhile we got a clear howto_reset_devicecode | 07:22 | |
| DocScrutinizer | heh, qgil online :-D | 07:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | chi: what means "no" here? | 07:23 |
| chi | ? | 07:24 |
| chi | 12345 didn;t work either | 07:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | then you changed the code | 07:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | or you're messing with SIMlock unlock | 07:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | which is called "unlock device" OWTTE in settings menu | 07:26 |
| chi | haha | 07:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | "enter code to remove network provider lock" here (in de_DE, translated) | 07:27 |
| chi | yup i was entering in the wrong place | 07:27 |
| chi | geebus i really need sleep | 07:27 |
| * chi facepalm | 07:27 | |
| chi | s | 07:27 |
| chi | 12345 was correct | 07:27 |
| pigeon | does anyone know what /usr/libexec/ham-after-boot does? | 07:27 |
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| ml-mobile | hm | 08:17 |
| ml-mobile | it seems this battery cannot be estimated at all :/ | 08:17 |
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| slonopotamus | ml-mobile: tried BatteryGraph? | 08:21 |
| microlith | yeah, it's showing a slight decline in power consumption | 08:27 |
| microlith | err, battery charge rather | 08:28 |
| microlith | guess I haven't been messing with it as much as I usually do | 08:28 |
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| TermanaN900 | ~ping | 09:17 |
| infobot | ~pong | 09:17 |
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| astruasdh | hello guys... please, sometimes my n900 shows that there is no sim card. I related it to the lack of signal, but sometimes it happens in a place with a really strong sinal. is it possible to workaround this? | 09:43 |
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| slonopotamus | okay, ppl. autotools are just crap. | 09:48 |
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| slonopotamus | astruasdh: it's the lack of contact between phone and simcard | 09:49 |
| astruasdh | slonopotamus, what can I do? buy another sim card? | 09:49 |
| slonopotamus | astruasdh: put something thick (folded piece of paper, for example) between simcard and battery. | 09:49 |
| slonopotamus | astruasdh: that helped 2 n900s here :) | 09:49 |
| slonopotamus | astruasdh: bad simcard holder, doesn't produce enough pressure | 09:50 |
| astruasdh | tyvm!!! | 09:51 |
| slonopotamus | astruasdh: it helped? :) | 09:58 |
| astruasdh | slonopotamus, a lot! | 09:59 |
| astruasdh | slonopotamus, you saved my cellphone (it almost has been thrown to the wall) and my cellphone company (I almost put a bomb there) | 10:00 |
| astruasdh | hehe | 10:00 |
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| slonopotamus | ~curse autobuilder | 10:05 |
| infobot | May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, autobuilder ! | 10:05 |
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| slonopotamus | ~curse autobuilder | 10:08 |
| slonopotamus | ~curse autobuilder | 10:08 |
| slonopotamus | ~curse autobuilder | 10:08 |
| infobot | May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, autobuilder ! | 10:08 |
| slonopotamus | :( | 10:08 |
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| slonopotamus | what autotools thing creates config.guess/config.sub? | 10:10 |
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| slonopotamus | okay, found | 10:20 |
| slonopotamus | Writing NEWS, README, AUTHORS, and ChangeLog | 10:21 |
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| slonopotamus | These files are required by automake. More correctly, these files must exist in order for automake to run successfully. The contents of these files are not really relevant to automake. You can just put placeholders, or you can put the correct contents into each (the names are pretty self-explanatory). | 10:21 |
| slonopotamus | MADNESS | 10:22 |
| marcus | Heya guys, any "big" and exciting news the last 2 weeks? I've been hiking in greenland, and not much network there. | 10:22 |
| marcus | For the n900 mostly | 10:22 |
| slonopotamus | marcus: nope | 10:22 |
| marcus | slonopotamus: Not even any exciting new apps? | 10:22 |
| slonopotamus | marcus: fcamera | 10:23 |
| marcus | slonopotamus: fcam that is? | 10:24 |
| slonopotamus | marcus: package name is fcamera | 10:24 |
| marcus | Ahh, nvm. | 10:24 |
| marcus | Yeah, just googled a tad deeper (: | 10:25 |
| slonopotamus | brb | 10:25 |
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| slonopotamus | hmm | 10:28 |
| slonopotamus | it really knocks off osso-camera-ui | 10:28 |
| slonopotamus | s/off/down or smth/ | 10:29 |
| infobot | slonopotamus meant: it really knocks down or smth osso-camera-ui | 10:29 |
| RST38h | built in camera app seems to produce better pictures though | 10:29 |
| RST38h | fcamera shows vignetting and noise | 10:29 |
| slonopotamus | and clearly shows that it measures focus distance wrong :) | 10:29 |
| RST38h | yep, noticed that today too | 10:30 |
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| slonopotamus | always more than needed | 10:30 |
| RST38h | opposite here | 10:31 |
| RST38h | tends to put it at 1-2m when shooting at infinity | 10:31 |
| slonopotamus | ~2 times more for me | 10:31 |
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| slonopotamus | RST38h: well, your infinity isn't so infinite as you think then :) | 10:32 |
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| slonopotamus | okay | 10:38 |
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| slonopotamus | my package builds in sdk but doesn't on builder. thoughts? https://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/sflphone-common_0.9.7~ppa1~jaunty-maemo9/armel.build.log.FAILED.txt | 10:41 |
| slonopotamus | nvm | 10:42 |
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| alterego | Some wanker started dril!lng at half eight in the morning .. | 11:25 |
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| alterego | wtf, on a saturday?!? | 11:25 |
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| astruasdh | hhaha | 11:31 |
| trumee | could somebody help me with usb networking | 11:31 |
| trumee | I run a gentoo box. What should i do at the host side? | 11:32 |
| trumee | i have usb0 and usbpn0 on my host box. | 11:32 |
| trumee | do i need to specify an ip address to usb0 before i connect N900? | 11:33 |
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| cylent | hello all | 11:34 |
| cylent | anybody know if theres a program that will announce calls by "speaking them" per name like on other Nokia devices ? (for the n900) | 11:35 |
| alterego | trumee: yes, the IP address should be on the 192.168.2.0/24 network | 11:35 |
| alterego | trumee: the N900 expects .14 for gateway for some reason though that is un important. | 11:35 |
| trumee | alterego: my lan runs on 172.16.1.0/24 | 11:35 |
| alterego | trumee: So? this is a different "LAN" | 11:35 |
| trumee | alterego: ok | 11:36 |
| cylent | anybody? | 11:37 |
| alterego | cylent: there is, search talk.maemo.org | 11:38 |
| alterego | It uses eSpeak I believe | 11:38 |
| cylent | i honestly am searching but dont know what to search for LOL | 11:38 |
| astruasdh | alterego, I'm sorry, but what does lng mean? | 11:39 |
| slonopotamus | holy crap. looks like i won autotools. | 11:42 |
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| slonopotamus | fuuuuck! now arm target builds and i386 cannot link because libgcrypt.so is broken on builder | 11:48 |
| frals | cylent: espeakcaller or smth | 11:50 |
| slonopotamus | https://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/sflphone-common_0.9.7~ppa1~jaunty-maemo9/i386.build.log.FAILED.txt | 11:53 |
| slonopotamus | thoughts? | 11:53 |
| slonopotamus | (arm built successfully) | 11:54 |
| frals | arch: armel in control file ;D | 11:54 |
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| cylent | hmm. i added extras-testing and extras-devel but its not in there. | 11:58 |
| slonopotamus | frals: cheater | 11:59 |
| slonopotamus | frals: and i386 builds in sdk loclly | 11:59 |
| cylent | nm | 12:01 |
| cylent | i was typing freemantile instead of fremantle | 12:01 |
| cylent | :-P | 12:01 |
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| crashanddie | DocScrutinizer: itunes? | 12:06 |
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| alteregoa | fnord | 12:16 |
| alteregoa | good fnord morning | 12:16 |
| alteregoa | allah akbar | 12:17 |
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| alterego | O_o | 12:17 |
| alteregoa | skol | 12:17 |
| crashanddie | alterego: I can remove him | 12:18 |
| alterego | crashanddie: please | 12:18 |
| alteregoa | i Sverige det är mycket sent mörk | 12:18 |
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| alterego | He's obviously dogging me for some reason. | 12:18 |
| alteregoa | i got my nick since 2003 | 12:19 |
| MohammadAG51 | lolwtf | 12:19 |
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| crashanddie | I had to watch out for nick autocompletion there :P | 12:19 |
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| alterego | It's juxst dodgy coming from china :D | 12:19 |
| MohammadAG51 | crashanddie, nah, you could've banned both | 12:20 |
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| crashanddie | alterego: no, that's switzerland | 12:20 |
| alterego | .ch is switzerland? | 12:21 |
| kerio | yes | 12:21 |
| kerio | duh | 12:21 |
| bef0rd | .cn china | 12:21 |
| alterego | Anyhow, thank you crashanddie he's been a bit of a nuisance over the past week .. | 12:21 |
| kerio | also, he registered alteregoa on Apr 29 10:32:30 2008 (2 years, 12 weeks, 1 day, 22:48:41 ago) | 12:21 |
| alterego | Ah, right. | 12:21 |
| alterego | Heh | 12:21 |
| alterego | I was wondering if he had actually _registered_ it :) | 12:22 |
| alterego | I wonder how long I've had mine for .. | 12:22 |
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| slonopotamus | MohammadAG51: :D | 12:24 |
| kerio | -NickServ- Registered : Dec 13 21:57:02 2003 (6 years, 32 weeks, 0 days, 11:27:18 ago) | 12:24 |
| kerio | (alterego) | 12:24 |
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| crashanddie | I'm removing the ban, the guy apologised in PM | 12:25 |
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| crashanddie | woops | 12:25 |
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| alterego | kerio: thanks :) wow, thass a long time. | 12:26 |
| kerio | you know, /ns help is free | 12:26 |
| alterego | crashanddie: the point is, he doesn't even know what the channel is for, he's here for me only. | 12:27 |
| kerio | (or /msg nickserv help if your client sucks) | 12:27 |
| crashanddie | kerio: he wondered, didn't ask you to look it up | 12:27 |
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| bef0rd | cyberstalkr | 12:27 |
| kerio | crashanddie: sorry for being helpful | 12:27 |
| alterego | Heh | 12:27 |
| crashanddie | alterego: this channel is supposed to be open, spread the word, all that | 12:28 |
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| alterego | crashanddie: fair enough. | 12:28 |
| alterego | Maybe it's about time I got a new Nick anyway | 12:28 |
| crashanddie | he shouldn't bother you again, if he does, without disrupting the channel: /ignore. If he disrupts the channel, we'll remove him anyway. | 12:28 |
| kerio | spread the word that the hw keyboard is pure crap on 3-key combos | 12:28 |
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| alterego | Heh | 12:28 |
| crashanddie | http://www.gtspirit.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/oops_clamped_supercar_duo_in_london.jpg | 12:28 |
| slonopotamus | so | 12:29 |
| crashanddie | I don't know what's more epic, the clamp, or the colour of those cars | 12:29 |
| kerio | although i did manage to get all the unix keys here | 12:29 |
| slonopotamus | who broke libgcrypt? | 12:29 |
| Myrtti | good morning | 12:29 |
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| slonopotamus | Myrtti: you? | 12:29 |
| kerio | i also got the gbp symbol there, not sure why | 12:29 |
| slonopotamus | or, who updated libgpg-error? | 12:30 |
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| slonopotamus | who is Bjoern Ricks? | 12:34 |
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| kerio | what do you guys use to sync the time? | 13:01 |
| kerio | openntpd? | 13:01 |
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| alterego | I do | 13:02 |
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| alterego | Contemplating using GPS time though | 13:03 |
| th3hate | I forgot my N900's lock code, anything i can to get it back? | 13:03 |
| th3hate | but not flashing.. | 13:03 |
| alterego | th3hate: even flashing wont change the code. | 13:03 |
| th3hate | oops | 13:03 |
| alterego | Did you set the code yourself? | 13:04 |
| kerio | 12345? | 13:04 |
| th3hate | no i changed it some time ago | 13:04 |
| th3hate | but i forgot it now | 13:04 |
| kerio | nokia could probably change it | 13:04 |
| kerio | *if* you provide enough proof you're the owner | 13:04 |
| alterego | Yeah, if you take it into a care centre you might be able to get it fixed. | 13:04 |
| th3hate | well, sadly no close nokia care point around here.. | 13:04 |
| th3hate | i have to drive like 6 hours.. | 13:05 |
| alterego | There's always mail :P | 13:05 |
| alterego | Phone them up and ask. | 13:05 |
| th3hate | i heard there is a way to get it back via terminal | 13:05 |
| slonopotamus | wasn't there some bug that allowed logging in without entering security code? | 13:05 |
| alterego | I'd try to use memorable numbers, maybe you used a normal PIN with a 0 on the end or something like that. | 13:05 |
| alterego | th3hate: nope. | 13:05 |
| th3hate | so nokia care point is the only way? | 13:06 |
| alterego | th3hate: well, it's the closest thing we have to an answer., | 13:06 |
| th3hate | Not even flash rootfs and eMMC? | 13:06 |
| alterego | No, lock code is on a secure area of the phone. | 13:06 |
| slonopotamus | does it store password in CAL? | 13:07 |
| alterego | It wouldn't be very secure if you could just flash it and remove the security :P | 13:07 |
| slonopotamus | alterego: it isn't secure | 13:07 |
| alterego | slonopotamus: how do you get around it then? | 13:07 |
| slonopotamus | alterego: you can happily replace kernel/loader/whatever | 13:07 |
| alterego | Fair point .. | 13:08 |
| th3hate | check this vid: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BMJyUJsKkUU | 13:08 |
| th3hate | will it work? | 13:08 |
| th3hate | recovering lost security lock code on Linux CLI | 13:08 |
| alterego | If the risks are low, try it .. | 13:09 |
| slonopotamus | th3hate: do you have sshd installed there? | 13:09 |
| th3hate | yes | 13:09 |
| slonopotamus | th3hate: and is your n900 locked currently? | 13:10 |
| th3hate | yep | 13:10 |
| alterego | Oh, heh | 13:10 |
| slonopotamus | th3hate: but... can you login via ssh? | 13:10 |
| alterego | Yeah, is it currently connected to a network? | 13:10 |
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| th3hate | no i restarted it and lock screen appeared | 13:11 |
| th3hate | so its not connected to anything | 13:11 |
| alterego | Hrm .. | 13:11 |
| slonopotamus | th3hate: won't it autoconnect to your wifi AP? | 13:11 |
| Stskeeps | and 12345 doesnt work? | 13:11 |
| th3hate | no it's not set on auto connect | 13:11 |
| th3hate | only manual | 13:11 |
| slonopotamus | meh | 13:12 |
| alterego | Oh dear. | 13:12 |
| slonopotamus | that was your mistake No2 :) | 13:12 |
| slonopotamus | Stskeeps: is lock code stored in CAL? | 13:12 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 13:13 |
| Stskeeps | its however a hash i believe | 13:13 |
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| slonopotamus | well, it is set to smth when it is _unset_ | 13:13 |
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| slonopotamus | so, plan: 1. boot meego/android/whatever. 2. build my libopencal 3. set lock code to smth that means "no lock code" 4. reboot 5. profit :D. it can accidentally destroy CAL data, but you were going to nokia care anyway :D | 13:15 |
| th3hate | Well driving six hours seems easier than what you said | 13:16 |
| th3hate | xD | 13:16 |
| slonopotamus | okay :) | 13:16 |
| th3hate | but wait i think i have multiboot installed | 13:16 |
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| th3hate | i can boot android | 13:17 |
| th3hate | how to: . 2. build my libopencal 3. set lock code to smth that means "no lock code" 4. | 13:17 |
| slonopotamus | so, #1 is done :D | 13:17 |
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| slonopotamus | th3hate: maybe you just use android? :) | 13:17 |
| th3hate | It has no phone function | 13:18 |
| th3hate | you gotta be kidding me.. | 13:18 |
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| th3hate | Is there anything i can do or im just wasting time? | 13:20 |
| psycho_oreos | afaik NITdroid was very much WIP :) | 13:21 |
| Stskeeps | if you can wait a week we have a rescue initrd of sorts in meego.. | 13:21 |
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| slonopotamus | meh, got disconnected | 13:26 |
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| smhar | I am thinking of using my N900 as the mail 'email system'. I currently use thundrebird in my notebook and my home pc. I have several email accounts. when away from my computers I use web email interface. what suggestions do you have for me? | 13:44 |
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| DocScrutinizer | moo | 13:50 |
| smhar | ? | 13:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | slonopotamus: there's no such thing like 'no lockcode' afaik | 13:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer | [2010-07-24 06:22:28] * DocScrutinizer wonders if meanwhile we got a clear howto_reset_devicecode | 13:56 |
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| jacekowski | th3hate: code-reset in repository | 13:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: initrd? how's it going to boot? | 13:57 |
| slonopotamus | DocScrutinizer: hmm. okay | 13:57 |
| jacekowski | th3hate: it will reset the code to 12345 | 13:57 |
| SpeedEvil | Welcome all! | 13:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's been about time | 13:58 |
| slonopotamus | jacekowski: does it run from android? :) | 13:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | was about to say "where's jacekowski when you need him?" | 13:58 |
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| jacekowski | no | 13:58 |
| slonopotamus | jacekowski: well... then what's use in it? | 13:59 |
| jacekowski | give me a sec | 13:59 |
| slonopotamus | okay, you can mount maemo fs from android. | 13:59 |
| jacekowski | i could make a generic unlocker that unlock phone via usb | 14:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | crashanddie: was "itunes" the reply to [2010-07-24 00:14:18] * DocScrutinizer wonders what becamo of allofmp3 ?? | 14:00 |
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| jacekowski | thing is that generic unlocker could be abused | 14:01 |
| SpeedEvil | Well - you can flash a kernel, and ask it to boot, and that kernel can load a FS over USB, and read out everything from the phone, in under a minute. | 14:03 |
| jacekowski | that requires little bit of skill | 14:03 |
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| jacekowski | i was thinking of something that would require you to use some sort of id | 14:04 |
| jacekowski | like pay £1 via credit card and you get imei locked version | 14:05 |
| slonopotamus | £1 is a good id, yep | 14:05 |
| jacekowski | credit card is | 14:05 |
| jacekowski | unless it's stolen | 14:05 |
| jacekowski | but that eliminates all low level thiefs | 14:06 |
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| MohammadAG | hmm | 14:16 |
| MohammadAG | can't ssh to the N900 | 14:16 |
| SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: Did you make its hostname mordor? | 14:16 |
| MohammadAG | lol | 14:17 |
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| smhar | I am thinking of using my N900 as the mail 'email system'. I currently use thundrebird in my notebook and my home pc. I have several email accounts. when away from my computers I use web email interface. what suggestions do you have for me? | 14:20 |
| jacekowski | buy an iphone | 14:21 |
| slonopotamus | use imap | 14:22 |
| smhar | jacekowski, not funny | 14:22 |
| slonopotamus | or, better, read mail through mutt/pine on remote host through ssh :) | 14:23 |
| slonopotamus | that's so 1990 | 14:23 |
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| smhar | I was thinking about using some dedicated email client like thunderbird or Claws Mail or Sylpheed | 14:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: imei-locked costomer-specific was what we had as plan B on OM, if ever our flashing of modem firmware would cause fatalities like erased config (==CAL) areas | 14:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: you wouldn't want to go thru the hassle to receive 1GBP via credit card from all over the world, ans paypal probably useless for that identification purpose | 14:35 |
| jacekowski | that can be automated | 14:35 |
| jacekowski | and i could make some profit on it | 14:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | sure | 14:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | try it, you'll curse the day you started it | 14:36 |
| jacekowski | why? | 14:36 |
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| jacekowski | i can't really imagine what could go wrong | 14:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer | "Dear Mr jacekowski - here is the money transfer from india to your account at our bank. Ammount: 1GBP, fee for handling and conversion from Indian rupies: 7.86GBP" | 14:37 |
| alterego | Hrm, so omapfb.h isn't in the linux kernel hedaers. | 14:38 |
| alterego | I guess that makes sense, so they have to distribute the file seperately .. Great .. | 14:38 |
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| smhar | can I run thunderbird , Claws Mail or Sylpheed without easy debian? | 14:39 |
| alterego | claws should be available. | 14:40 |
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| petteri | Any germas here that could help? I am going to Berlin for couple of days next week. Any pointers if (and where) I could get prepaid sim card with unlimited data, so that I could internet on my n900 (maps and stuff) | 14:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: then OTOH think about that: the hacker interested in your personal data on N900 is cute enough to do what you're planning to do, without your help. For the usual dumbass junkie thief and dealer N900 is a dead booty, as there's no standard flasher out there to deal with IMEI in N900 - nota bene you can not flash cellmo via USB like you do on RAPUYAMA-only phones | 14:44 |
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| peb | Hi Petteri, I'm German. About Prepaid-Sims: I've to check myself ... Normal Prepaid Sims you can buy nearly everywhere .... I'll check. | 14:44 |
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| DocScrutinizer | petteri: heard simio *should* work - supermarkets, need to fine the right one. O2 has shops everywhere, get a LOOP prepaid PAYG SIM, and book INTERNET_L for 25EUR/month (==5GB) | 14:46 |
| peb | Thanks DocScrutinizer, saved me some work :-) | 14:46 |
| petteri | DocScrutinizer, peb thanks for you both. I'll look it up | 14:47 |
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| kerio | 25€/month is way too much imo | 14:48 |
| kerio | although we are paying 21 atm | 14:48 |
| kerio | for 350 hours | 14:48 |
| kerio | plus 9 on my phone sim... | 14:48 |
| kerio | gaah i'm paying too much for internet | 14:49 |
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| SpeedEvil | Paypal is not useless for ID purposes. | 14:50 |
| SpeedEvil | Paypal has ID tied to every account. | 14:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | petteri: tariff LOOP LMS(?) ->LOOP-UP30 (30EUR) = 30eur normal account PLUS 30eur bonus. Then send sms "START INTERNET-L" to 5667 | 14:50 |
| SpeedEvil | You can pass the paypal ID to police, and they can investigate | 14:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer | petteri: will leave you with 5EUR normal account for special numbers etc, 5GB traffic for one month, plus 30EUR bonus for normal call and SMS 'minutes' | 14:52 |
| petteri | DocScrutinizer: ok :) | 14:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | petteri: dunno how it matches with a freshly bought card, maybe the card is 25eur and comes without any bonus or minutes, for one month. You need to ask in shop | 14:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | (comes without) but with data volume of course | 14:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: fair enough, but paypal accounts are notorious to be faked | 14:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | or hijacked | 14:56 |
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| h4xordood | hey maemo doesnt have video calling support ? o_O | 14:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | depends on your definition of video-call | 14:57 |
| h4xordood | like when u dialling number u can choose video calling 3g | 14:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | seems maemo's video-call support is at least as good as the very new 'cute' iPhone's | 14:58 |
| jacekowski | you can do jabber video call | 14:58 |
| jacekowski | and skype video call | 14:58 |
| h4xordood | DocScrutinizer: how can i video call | 14:58 |
| h4xordood | jacekowski: thats VOIP | 14:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | h4xordood: honestly I never seen *anybody* doing video calling over 3G | 14:58 |
| jacekowski | almost like 3g | 14:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | voice | 14:58 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer: the front-facing camera sucks :| | 14:58 |
| h4xordood | but the call like 3g | 14:59 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: i never made a video phone call | 14:59 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: even on the internet | 14:59 |
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| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: i don't really like when somebody watches me | 14:59 |
| h4xordood | where i dial phone number actually and not paying skype | 14:59 |
| jacekowski | i don't have webcam | 14:59 |
| jacekowski | and webcam drivers in my laptop are uninstalled | 14:59 |
| h4xordood | jacekowski: same here i never do | 14:59 |
| h4xordood | but its matter with my girlfriend :P | 14:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | she got a N900? | 15:00 |
| jacekowski | geekgirl? | 15:00 |
| h4xordood | she has nokia 5800 | 15:00 |
| h4xordood | xpress music | 15:00 |
| jacekowski | ah | 15:00 |
| jacekowski | not so geeky | 15:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | mhm | 15:00 |
| h4xordood | she wants to have an eye on me may be :P | 15:00 |
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| jacekowski | 3g video calls with video faker | 15:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | so I wonder if 5800 came with big letters "VIDEO CALLS WTH EVERYWHERE!" on the box | 15:01 |
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| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: to create a paypal account, you need a CC or a bank account. | 15:01 |
| h4xordood | :D | 15:01 |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: So it's pretty much the same proble | 15:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: to hijack a paypal account you need much less :-P | 15:02 |
| slonopotamus | wtf? apt-get update && apt-get install sflphone-client-gnome 0Mb | 15:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | good social engineering or a virus will do | 15:02 |
| slonopotamus | s/Mb/bytes/ | 15:02 |
| infobot | slonopotamus meant: wtf? apt-get update && apt-get install sflphone-client-gnome 0bytes | 15:02 |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: don't forget the rubber hose. | 15:03 |
| slonopotamus | infobot: stop highlighting me without a reason. | 15:04 |
| * infobot leaps to his feet and stops highlighting me without a reason. | 15:04 | |
| slonopotamus | mwahaha | 15:04 |
| slonopotamus | infobot: go away | 15:04 |
| infobot | /server irc.rt.ru | 15:04 |
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| jacekowski | infobot: die | 15:04 |
| * infobot takes two shots to the head and crumples to the ground, lifeless. | 15:04 | |
| slonopotamus | infobot: lick jacekowski | 15:04 |
| * infobot licks jacekowski *SHLUUURRRRPPP* | 15:04 | |
| DocScrutinizer | h4xordood: get your gf a n900 and use skype or any IM with video. Or you both buy a Iphone 4G and claim you invented videocalling | 15:05 |
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| h4xordood | ha ha :D | 15:06 |
| * slonopotamus hates autobuilder that behaves differently from sdk | 15:06 | |
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| jacekowski | slonopotamus: ? | 15:06 |
| jacekowski | slonopotamus: works for me | 15:06 |
| jacekowski | slonopotamus: it's same here and there | 15:06 |
| jacekowski | slonopotamus: just less packages installed by default there | 15:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | which is a good thing(TM) | 15:07 |
| h4xordood | i am thinking mee go on n900 | 15:07 |
| h4xordood | mee go has that function of video calling yes ? | 15:08 |
| slonopotamus | jacekowski: no. same config.guess resulted in arm-unknown-linux-gnu locally and in arm-unknown-linux-gnueabi on autobuilder. | 15:08 |
| slonopotamus | jacekowski: it was old config.guess, but so what? | 15:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | h4xordood: screwit, meego has probably no call function at all yet :-P | 15:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer | (well, actually it might have something considerably more rudimentary than maemo has) | 15:09 |
| kerio | is there a guide in configuring ntp for the n900? | 15:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | don't expect meego on par with maemo+apps for the next 9 months at very least | 15:10 |
| h4xordood | :P | 15:10 |
| slonopotamus | now, everyone, apt-get update && apt-get install sflphone-client-gnome && sflphone :P | 15:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | esp on N900 | 15:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | this might change on rollout of N90x++, but that won't instantly change things for N900 | 15:11 |
| h4xordood | apt-get update doesnt updates my n900 o_O | 15:11 |
| kerio | duh | 15:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | h4xordood: RTFM! | 15:12 |
| kerio | it updates the apt catalog | 15:12 |
| h4xordood | some errors and shuts | 15:12 |
| kerio | apt-get update && apt-get upgrade will update the packages too | 15:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | sounds like PEBCAK | 15:12 |
| h4xordood | DocScrutinizer: RTFM! i read some of it | 15:13 |
| smhar | seems there is still no mature email client for N900, this means I will still not be able to use it as my primary email device.. sad | 15:13 |
| flashn | huh | 15:13 |
| jacekowski | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qiIYEmpWaaQ&feature=fvw | 15:14 |
| flashn | youre gonna keep another device with you just for emailing? | 15:14 |
| kerio | can someone make a better wifi toggle applet? | 15:14 |
| flashn | yeah, thats really sad | 15:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | smhar: this might be true, and due to the fact I'd not use it as my primary mailing client even when it had thunderbird, I can't really comment on it. Except there won't be change if everybody feels the way I do | 15:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer | how about webmailer? | 15:16 |
| alterego | Urgh, why aren't there any good tutorials/examples on making X video overlays ... | 15:17 |
| crashanddie | DocScrutinizer: pretty much | 15:17 |
| alterego | I don't wanna use fbdev :( | 15:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer | crashanddie: mhm | 15:17 |
| alterego | specifically omapfb .. | 15:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | crashanddie: don't exactly agree but meh | 15:17 |
| crashanddie | not what became of it, but rather, an alternative as you asked | 15:17 |
| SpeedEvil | diddn't lcuk do something overlayey? | 15:17 |
| crashanddie | IIRC, lcuk paints directly in YUV to the buffer | 15:18 |
| alterego | Yeah, it's just I can't do Qt widget overlays on top of that. | 15:18 |
| mhmh | yay.. Back to maemo again. Got sent a Galaxy S as replacment when my first one broke.. Getting aN900 again middle of next week :) | 15:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | there's a living tutorial and the nick is rater :-P | 15:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | raster even | 15:19 |
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| alterego | I want to do something similar to the inbuilt "Camera" application. | 15:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | and that is? | 15:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | suck? be closed? | 15:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | ;-P | 15:20 |
| SpeedEvil | A nice camera would be awesome. | 15:20 |
| alterego | Well, I think they use gstreamer, but I want to be more direct. | 15:20 |
| crashanddie | DocScrutinizer: nope, something that opens randomly in your pocket :P | 15:20 |
| alterego | SpeedEvil: that's what I'm working on :/ | 15:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | fcma has potential I thought | 15:20 |
| alterego | DocScrutinizer: yeah, I'm using fcam. | 15:21 |
| alterego | Their examples use fbdev/omapfb | 15:21 |
| alterego | But I can't render widgets on top of that. | 15:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | they can | 15:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | or wait, no they don't | 15:21 |
| alterego | They use colour keys | 15:21 |
| alterego | Well, a colour key | 15:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | do they? | 15:22 |
| alterego | Yeah | 15:22 |
| alterego | Then omapfb only updates based on that key. | 15:22 |
| alterego | The "grey" that some people report they see when they don't get video is the colour key | 15:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmhmhm, histogram is superimposed | 15:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | buttons are not | 15:23 |
| alterego | Well, they can render the histogram on the QWidget they use for the view finder, the colour key will be replaced with white and show "through" the frame because the frame isn't drawn there. | 15:24 |
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| alterego | Maybe I could use OpenGL .. | 15:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | ping raster, maybe he has some tips, or he will tell you 2h why it sucks :-P | 15:25 |
| alterego | Heh | 15:25 |
| alterego | I might look at the source for xvimagesink or something | 15:26 |
| SpeedEvil | I'd actually quite like a no-UI camera. | 15:26 |
| SpeedEvil | Open shutter - it goes beep - close shutter | 15:26 |
| alterego | SpeedEvil: you meen command like operation? | 15:26 |
| slonopotamus | anyone has sip account? | 15:26 |
| alterego | ~mean .. | 15:26 |
| * infobot thinks .. is mean :( | 15:26 | |
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| slonopotamus | ~mean Mr Mustard | 15:26 |
| * infobot thinks Mr Mustard is mean :( | 15:26 | |
| crashanddie | slonopotamus: aye | 15:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | slonopotamus: sure | 15:27 |
| flux | speedevil, possibly even: open shutter - capture image, beep, start capturing video until close shutter? | 15:27 |
| alterego | SpeedEvil: my first fcam app had no UI :) | 15:28 |
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| flux | but how easy is it to fully override the builtin camera app? | 15:28 |
| flux | well, I suppose you could always replace the binary :-) | 15:28 |
| SpeedEvil | flux: possibly, yes | 15:28 |
| alterego | I'm sure there's a neater way. | 15:28 |
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| SpeedEvil | there is | 15:29 |
| SpeedEvil | you cannot change the signal camera-UI listens for | 15:29 |
| SpeedEvil | however | 15:29 |
| slonopotamus | DocScrutinizer: address? | 15:29 |
| alterego | In fact, my "Camera" app seems to not open any more when the screen is on, only if the phone is in standby now .. | 15:29 |
| SpeedEvil | you can change - I forget how - the signal that the thing - hal? - monitoring the button emits | 15:29 |
| SpeedEvil | making the camera app not open | 15:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'd prefer "open shutter -> torch, press cam button ->switch to cam with GUI and take first shot." "press cam button ->arm stealth camery for duration <userdefined> ->open lens slider takes photo without beep but vibrator feedback" | 15:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | slonopotamus: huh? | 15:30 |
| slonopotamus | DocScrutinizer: sip add | 15:30 |
| slonopotamus | DocScrutinizer: *address | 15:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | me@sipgate.de | 15:30 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer: wanna take pictures of underage girls huh | 15:30 |
| slonopotamus | DocScrutinizer: not found/404 :/ | 15:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | slonopotamus: I'm not sporting a web nterface there | 15:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | slonopotamus: honestly I dunno what you wanna do | 15:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | sipgate had extenal SIP dialin (aka users known to the wider internet for SIP, under a name@domain addr) but I think they closed it down. You can call me anytime via my landline number associated to that sipgate account | 15:35 |
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| DocScrutinizer | slonopotamus: you also could call me via direct P2P SIP, if I gave you URL of this laptop and would care to open up the right ports on NAT again | 15:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | slonopotamus: but then you'd need a SIP UA capable of direct P2P, and there are few I know of. Twinkle being one of them | 15:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | N900 SIP client obviously not | 15:38 |
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| smhar | docscrutinizer, webmailer? you mean web mail? the problem is that I have several accounts in several domains -mine- and I need to check them all, it would be very time consuming to log in to all of the individually | 15:44 |
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| DocScrutinizer | smhar: hmm I see | 15:44 |
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| smhar | docscrutinizer, I am not looking for some Push email, always on with notifications. I can do a 'check email' every now and then. | 15:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | probably best approach would be to run your own fetchmail on a box, and have it manage and aggregate all the mail accounts you have. Then interface to it from N900 by whatever you think meets your needs, there's a plethora of solutons for that under linux | 15:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer | from a mere ssh, to your own web mail interface | 15:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | plus, of course all the IMAP and POP3 and whatnot solutions | 15:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | and, as you're have full control over 'far end' you are free to tailer it to your needs | 15:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer | alterego: raster is online :-D Quite unusual for saturday evening | 15:52 |
| alterego | Heh | 15:53 |
| alterego | I think I've found a usable example of using XVideo in Qt | 15:53 |
| DOnJUiLiEm | DocScrutinizer, raster ? | 15:53 |
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| red | smhar: why not create one additional mail account and forward copies of all the other accountts to that one | 15:55 |
| red | then use it on the n900 to read them all easily | 15:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | DOnJUiLiEm: google for rasterman | 15:55 |
| crashanddie | ~lame DOnJUiLiEm | 15:55 |
| infobot | DOnJUiLiEm is completely not lame. | 15:55 |
| crashanddie | wow | 15:55 |
| crashanddie | ~nickometer DOnJUiLiEm | 15:55 |
| infobot | 'DOnJUiLiEm' is 97.370% lame, crashanddie | 15:55 |
| crashanddie | ah, there you go. | 15:56 |
| DOnJUiLiEm | arf | 15:56 |
| smhar | red, I can do that, but what about when I need to reply to an email, I will have to login to the original email account to reply. | 15:56 |
| red | gmail atleast via web lets you choose which account to use as a sender | 15:56 |
| red | but then you need to auth gmail to pull the mail via pop3 or imap instead of forwarding | 15:57 |
| red | dunno if that choosing is possible on n900 | 15:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | rasterman.com | 15:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | I wonder... rnd() | 15:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~nickometer DOnJUiLiEm | 15:59 |
| infobot | 'DOnJUiLiEm' is 97.370% lame, docscrutinizer | 15:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | duh, no rnd() | 15:59 |
| Jaffa | X-Fade: What's the status of bug 10951? | 15:59 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10951 SSL certificate for bugs.maemo.org expired | 15:59 |
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| alterego | Heh | 16:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | Jaffa: weekend :-S | 16:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | Jaffa: EHLO btw | 16:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | long time no see | 16:00 |
| alterego | I thought that was unusual when it hit me last week ... | 16:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer | alterego: search backscroll for CERT | 16:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | expired since some 16th of this month | 16:01 |
| alterego | Well, maybe the week before last then | 16:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | GAN900 claims it suggests there's no longer any use in reporting bugs | 16:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | sounds sensible | 16:02 |
| alterego | Heh | 16:03 |
| alterego | What about all our apps ... | 16:04 |
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| alterego | Oh, this is even cooler .. | 16:05 |
| alterego | I found an example which uses OpenGL :) | 16:05 |
| alterego | So I can make a pretty 3D camera ui :) | 16:05 |
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| alterego | Got a really cool idea for my menu and stuff ... | 16:07 |
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| alterego | And by menu I mean toolbar .. | 16:09 |
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| smhar | red, I do not use gmail | 16:40 |
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| riddlebox | hey all I have reflashed my n810 and now when I added the extra repos my n810 doesnt install anything because of package dependencies? | 16:47 |
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| alterego | Okay, got my OpenGL ES2 context, got the ability to overlay whatever I want, text, images etc on top of the GL canvas. | 16:57 |
| alterego | Now to add buttons. | 16:57 |
| alterego | Oh, and texture the canvas to show the input from the camera. | 16:58 |
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| Muelli | bugs.maemo.org uses an invalid security certificate. The certificate expired on 17.07.2010 01:59. >.< | 17:30 |
| GAN900 | Muelli, yeah, it's been reported. | 17:30 |
| frals | aka bug 10951 | 17:30 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10951 SSL certificate for bugs.maemo.org expired | 17:30 |
| GAN900 | No idea what progress is, though. | 17:30 |
| Muelli | can I make the jabber client use a local SOCKS proxy that I've spawned with SSH? | 17:31 |
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| Muelli | hm. maybe bug 6739 | 17:41 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6739 Cannot set Socks5 proxy in the Internet Connection Settings dialog | 17:41 |
| Muelli | but how could I found out the currently connected IAP? | 17:41 |
| SpeedEvil | Click the status area. It will show current internet connection. | 17:42 |
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| SpeedEvil | Go to settings -> internet in app starter. | 17:42 |
| SpeedEvil | then you can inspect the connection details | 17:43 |
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| Muelli | SpeedEvil: eh. well. erm. thanks.. But I want to do that programatically of course | 17:45 |
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| SpeedEvil | ah | 17:49 |
| SpeedEvil | umm | 17:49 |
| SpeedEvil | I vaguely remember stuff in /etc/ip-up or something that gets called with interface name | 17:49 |
| Muelli | hm. there is /system/osso/connectivity/IAP/last_used_network in gconf but it's not what I think it is: I am currently connected to a network but the value is not that network. In fact, that value doesn't show up as IAP ID | 17:49 |
| SpeedEvil | I don't know how to extract current though | 17:49 |
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| alterego | wiki still f*cked? | 17:58 |
| GAN900 | maemo.org is losing pieces, it seems. | 17:58 |
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| alterego | Ah, just really slow it seems :/ | 17:59 |
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| dotblank | ever since ive installed fcamera-drivers my xserver is incredibly glitchy | 18:07 |
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| dotblank | I don't have proof but im getting artifacts and it just seems and feels liek thats what caused it | 18:07 |
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| DocScrutinizer | /topic | 18:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer | hi dotblank | 18:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | mhm quite possible | 18:13 |
| dotblank | hmm im un-installing now | 18:14 |
| dotblank | I really did enjoy hdr capture | 18:14 |
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| alterego | dotblank: I'm having the same issue .. | 18:21 |
| dotblank | just removed it and it seems to be resolved | 18:23 |
| dotblank | Ah ha.. what a shot in the dark.. going with my gut to solve bugs! | 18:23 |
| dotblank | well not fix or solve but finding them :) | 18:24 |
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| alterego | dotblank: didn't actually occur to me it was fcam, I was just going to try and reboot | 18:31 |
| dotblank | yea I reboot and it got worse | 18:32 |
| alterego | Really, worse? Mine is doing it on pretty much ever transition | 18:33 |
| alterego | It's got a distinctive key color appearing though | 18:33 |
| dotblank | yea it started showing artifacts never redraws the screen properly | 18:34 |
| dotblank | I click a contact and "I have to guess where his call with skype button is | 18:34 |
| alterego | Oh, mine isn't that bad, seems to only happen when switching apps/transitions | 18:34 |
| dotblank | then I click it and it shows up | 18:34 |
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| dotblank | well it had some transition issues before the reboot then after it had about half the framerate | 18:35 |
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| dotblank | and a whole host of other issues | 18:35 |
| alterego | Actually, it seems to be for me a flashing green, in the middle of rotating from landscape to portrait .. | 18:36 |
| alterego | Interesting .. | 18:36 |
| dotblank | doesn't dot hat for me | 18:36 |
| alterego | Hrm | 18:36 |
| alterego | I'd say it's probably something to do with omapfb .. | 18:36 |
| dotblank | its all fixed tho | 18:36 |
| dotblank | after uninstalling | 18:36 |
| alterego | Yeah, but I'm writing an app based on fcam :P So I need it :) | 18:37 |
| dotblank | did get one hdr image off | 18:37 |
| dotblank | http://i.imgur.com/wxV1J.jpg | 18:37 |
| alterego | Nice pic :) | 18:37 |
| alterego | Yeah, I've been using HDR | 18:37 |
| dotblank | this is without hdr on normal camera app | 18:38 |
| dotblank | http://i.imgur.com/g59St.jpg | 18:38 |
| alterego | Amongst other things, just playing really. | 18:38 |
| alterego | Those are almost high enough quality to use as wall papers on my laptop, they're really good. | 18:38 |
| alterego | What did you use to convert them from dng? | 18:38 |
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| dotblank | I just used hdrcapture and the normal camera app | 18:39 |
| alterego | Oh, I was using fcam. | 18:39 |
| dotblank | it saved the composite hdr image as a jpeg | 18:39 |
| alterego | I'll have to try that one then :) | 18:39 |
| dotblank | The hdr one looks soo much better | 18:40 |
| alterego | Yeaj | 18:40 |
| dotblank | it shows you the the tree perfectly in front of the SUN that super bright object in the sky | 18:41 |
| dotblank | thats super crazy | 18:42 |
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| * DocScrutinizer hands award for exceptionally crappy webadministration/design to webmaster@wirelessmodemapi.com, for completely fsckd up registration&login process under konqueror | 18:55 | |
| DocScrutinizer | you think you registered ut confirmation mail never arrives. Login will silently fail with no hint about what's up | 18:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer | sounds like faithfully following rules in "how to ruin a FOSS community" | 18:57 |
| smhar | anyone have a link on how to setup a development environment on debian to develop for N900 using qt and python? | 18:58 |
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| DocScrutinizer | http://2600hertz.wordpress.com/2010/02/26/meego-destroy-in-6-steps/ | 18:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer | >>> It’s also important to set up an official web site which is down as often as it’s up. It’s not enough to have no web site at all; in such situations, the community has an irritating habit of creating sites of its own. But a flaky site can forestall the creation of those sites, ensuring that information is hard to find.<<< :-P wiki.maemo.org? | 19:02 |
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| crashanddie | dotblank: you do realise that neither of those pictures are HDR | 19:05 |
| dotblank | crashanddie, well its a jpeg composite with 3 pictures taken at 3 different exposures | 19:05 |
| dotblank | so what ever that is | 19:05 |
| crashanddie | that's just multiple exposure. HDR is a picture quality, not a setting of some sort. | 19:06 |
| dotblank | Then why do they call it HDR? | 19:06 |
| crashanddie | this is HDR: http://www.flickr.com/photos/risus_in_silva/2570045172/ | 19:06 |
| crashanddie | Because they're marketing berks | 19:06 |
| dotblank | thats just really well done hdr | 19:07 |
| crashanddie | they stick a name on a feature that gives a lot of hits on Google so people who don't understand it will go "ooooooh" | 19:07 |
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| ShadowJK | what's "picture quality" then? | 19:08 |
| dotblank | High Dynamic Range. An HDR image aims to store pixel values that span the whole tonal range of real-world scenes. In order to create such an image several low dynamic range (ie ordinary digital photos) taken at differing exposure values are combined. | 19:08 |
| ShadowJK | now that flicr link is just hdr turned up to 11-Silly setting | 19:08 |
| dotblank | yea thats abused HDR | 19:08 |
| Kegetys | its a name for a method of merging multiple exposures to get a single exposure with a higher dynamic range than what is possible to capture with the camera using just one exposure... hardly has any "quality" requirement to it | 19:09 |
| ShadowJK | indeed | 19:11 |
| visz | kinda like audio compression for video, but almost quite entirely different | 19:11 |
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| dotblank | it would be like having multiple microphones recording within different frequency ranges and compining them | 19:12 |
| dotblank | combining | 19:12 |
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| visz | i do dislike how those high quality hds images mostly have saturation turned to beyond candy | 19:13 |
| visz | hdr | 19:13 |
| Kegetys | they are just overdone | 19:14 |
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| SpeedEvil | It depends. | 19:14 |
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| SpeedEvil | http://www.flickr.com/photos/14560445@N08/3618667767/ | 19:15 |
| SpeedEvil | for example | 19:15 |
| Kegetys | http://morris-photographics.com/photos/ChristChurchCathedralHDR.jpg that one is pretty good for example | 19:15 |
| SpeedEvil | Would be a really, really nice picture with a little hdr | 19:15 |
| visz | or some fill light | 19:15 |
| SpeedEvil | Well - yes. | 19:16 |
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| SpeedEvil | But I don't carry fill lights around outside. | 19:16 |
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| visz | you can always build a reflector out of branches and your white t-shirt | 19:18 |
| * DocScrutinizer kicks luke-jr for matchword "tonal" appearing in [2010-07-24 18:08:14] <dotblank> High Dynamic Range. An HDR image aims to store pixel values that span the whole tonal range of real-world scenes. In order to create such an image several low dynamic range (ie ordinary digital photos) taken at differing exposure values are combined. | 19:20 | |
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| DocScrutinizer | :-P | 19:20 |
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| smhar | anyone have a link on how to setup a development environment on debian to develop for N900 using qt and python? all the links I am see in google are about stuff related to pre PR1.2 | 19:23 |
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| alterego | smhar: read the documentation on maemo.org .. | 19:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: I bet you'll find http://www.wirelessmodemapi.com/ highly interesting | 19:26 |
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| smhar | from the wiki and documentations, I reached the sdk site in nokia.com : http://www.forum.nokia.com/info/sw.nokia.com/id/c05693a1-265c-4c7f-a389-fc227db4c465/Maemo_5_SDK.html . but it is dated May 26th, so before 1.2 . is there an update to this? | 19:36 |
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| FireFly | Hm | 19:39 |
| alterego | smhar: the SDK updates itself | 19:39 |
| alterego | with a couple of incantations. | 19:39 |
| alterego | It is debian after all .. | 19:40 |
| FireFly | Any hints on what API I want to interface with if I want to create a custom "file sharing" entry (in the file sharing menu for e.g. images)? | 19:40 |
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| alterego | FireFly: sharing service plugin | 19:41 |
| FireFly | Okay | 19:41 |
| smhar | what is the difference between 'Nokia Qt SDK' and 'Maemo 5 SDK'? | 19:41 |
| FireFly | Hm | 19:41 |
| alterego | smhar: a lot | 19:41 |
| FireFly | Found it, thanks, alterego | 19:41 |
| alterego | smhar: can you read? There is plenty of documentation out there on both | 19:41 |
| smhar | I have no problem with reading :-) but what is the basic difference between them? | 19:42 |
| alterego | Basically, one allows you to develop in Qt using C++, the other lets you develop in anything the platform has to offer. | 19:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: you remember the looking quite daft sync from GSM 20ms TX timeslice to audio interface, in that 8pp paper? Now I know where it stems from: 3.3. MODEM_AUDIO_SPC_TIMING_REQ in Wireless Modem API G2 V1 10w24.zip/i_modem_audio_m.html (http://www.wirelessmodemapi.com/ ISI papers) | 19:43 |
| alterego | But one is easier, the other is more complicated | 19:43 |
| alterego | Do some research. | 19:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: it still feels daft to me, btw | 19:44 |
| Stskeeps | didnt i say there might be a reason for it? | 19:44 |
| SpeedEvil | yes | 19:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: :-D Jury is still out on it, if that's a valid reason though | 19:45 |
| Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: blame moves up the chain, not pulse guys faults | 19:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | maybe after comping and swallowing all the ISI specs and 3GPP TS43.050 in the end you find the whole problem is moot | 19:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: ack | 19:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: without having any look to TS43.050 my guts feeling tells me it's daft to apply quality constraints wrt chain delay time jitter, that would excel a studio hifi recording equipment | 19:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | to a cellphone | 19:51 |
| kerio | why not? | 19:52 |
| kerio | >:D | 19:52 |
| Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: no clue | 19:52 |
| alterego | nyargh | 19:53 |
| alterego | how hard can it be texturing a polygon in GLES2 :) | 19:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: these measures and means maybe were introduced to deal with situations where you have largely varying system parameters wrt audio processing delay, such as on a 20MHz CPU based cellphone that's really maxing out on trying to establish a echo cancellation for a "far away" speaker (10 meters so you get real large buffers to deal with the skew between speaker and mic). On a beefy device under normal conditions it may be absolutely | 19:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | irrelevant (in short this is meant to deal with 500ms, not with 5ms delay) | 19:57 |
| Stskeeps | nfi :P | 19:58 |
| derf | 10m is about 30ms. | 19:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | derf: yep, multiplay by 16000samples/s and then you get the idea what a 20MHz based FFT or whatever looks like and the time it takes for processing | 19:59 |
| kerio | depending on the meaning of "m", 10m is exactly 600000ms | 19:59 |
| th3hate | Can anyone tell me what command to restore default kernel? | 20:00 |
| th3hate | maemo wiki is down | 20:00 |
| * DocScrutinizer adds kerio to luke-jr autokick | 20:00 | |
| SpeedEvil | ~flasher | 20:02 |
| infobot | flasher is probably http://wiki.maemo.org/Flasher | 20:02 |
| SpeedEvil | oh | 20:02 |
| SpeedEvil | Will your n900 not boot? have you been screwing with the kernel? | 20:02 |
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| Macer | jesus | 20:04 |
| Macer | it was like someone scooped up lake michigan | 20:04 |
| Macer | and poured it on us in chicago | 20:05 |
| Macer | all at once | 20:05 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer: :( | 20:05 |
| kerio | oh crap i forgot to add & to my remaps | 20:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | th3hate: | 20:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | If you don't have individual images, but want to flash just a part of the whole FIASCO image you can do so by running: | 20:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | .B flasher-3.5 -F <FIASCO image> --flash-only=rootfs -R | 20:09 |
| th3hate | i meant this one apt-get install --reinstall kernel kernel-flasher | 20:09 |
| th3hate | but thanks already restored | 20:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | th3hate: replace =rootfs by =kernel | 20:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | k | 20:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | Macer: got your pressuriced air bottles ready? | 20:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer | drowned? | 20:14 |
| Macer | haha | 20:14 |
| luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: you're the troll | 20:14 |
| Macer | it was a lot worse earlier | 20:14 |
| Macer | it stopped now... but in the early am i think i saw a ship floating down the street | 20:14 |
| * SpeedEvil passes Macer http://www.poseidon.com/products/discovery-mkvi | 20:16 | |
| GAN900 | luke-jr, nou | 20:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | btw wrt scoop up lakes, I heard tornados trying to do exactly that sometimes | 20:17 |
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| Macer | wooooo | 20:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | when it starts raining fish or frogs, you know what's going on :-D | 20:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer | kerio: will you share those remaps eventually? | 20:21 |
| kerio | i don't think somebody actually cares | 20:22 |
| kerio | i mean, they're based on the it keyboard | 20:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'm sure some do. | 20:23 |
| kerio | i already put my 4-button keypad for it on the maemo wiki | 20:23 |
| kerio | (moving a couple of characters) | 20:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's not about the actual kbd, it_IT or wwhatever. It's more about you seem to push the limits | 20:23 |
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| kerio | huh | 20:23 |
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| kerio | why? | 20:24 |
| kerio | :o | 20:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer | so a commented out mapping, with a note "doesn't work due to...." is worth a lot | 20:24 |
| trumee | i am unable to capture packets on usbo with tcpdump | 20:24 |
| trumee | tcpdump -n -w sip.pcap -s 1500 -i usb0 | 20:24 |
| trumee | gives 0 packets captured. | 20:24 |
| trumee | i do have usb networking fine. any idea how can i capture packets? | 20:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm, wrong nterface I guess | 20:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ifconfig will tell | 20:25 |
| trumee | ifconfig -a does list usb0 | 20:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | does it also report any resonable and *increasing* number of TX/RX bytes? | 20:27 |
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| trumee | 0 packets captured, 0 packets received by filter, -1095293916 packets dropped by kernel | 20:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | eeew | 20:28 |
| trumee | It doesnt give any indication of TX/RX | 20:28 |
| trumee | so? | 20:29 |
| sandstorm | hello, I have a out of the box question if you want to help with apologizes, I wanted to sync my outlook express contacts(address book) to my N900 but the PC Suite only flushed mobile and work numbers ignoring fax and other numbers, what may I do for this? thanks alot. | 20:29 |
| trumee | luke-jr: ping | 20:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | wlan0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr A8:7E:33:CD:F0:E3 | 20:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | RX bytes:67461112 (64.3 MiB) TX bytes:4118164 (3.9 MiB) | 20:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | sorry never used USB networking on N900, so no idea | 20:30 |
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| SpeedEvil | tcpdump here borks the networking on wlan0 | 20:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | maybe wrong ABI? | 20:31 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer: i need to clean it up | 20:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | is it built for the current kernel you use? | 20:31 |
| trumee | SpeedEvil: yup i had that too. Funny thing was that i changed the firmware on the router from tomato to dd-wrt. after that tcpdump was happy. | 20:32 |
| kerio | as of now, it a ugly hack - changing the base layout and the it layout | 20:32 |
| Macer | SpeedEvil: haha | 20:32 |
| Macer | neat scuba gear there | 20:32 |
| Macer | it didnt say how long it lasts tho | 20:32 |
| thp | lcuk: is there code for the liqbase mouse concept already? | 20:32 |
| Macer | but i suspect rebreathers last a long time | 20:32 |
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| SpeedEvil | Macer: 3h | 20:34 |
| Macer | wow | 20:37 |
| Macer | not bad | 20:37 |
| Macer | how much is that thing? | 20:37 |
| SpeedEvil | IIRC $9000 | 20:38 |
| SpeedEvil | plus a mandatory maintainance contract | 20:39 |
| kerio | what, nine thousands? | 20:39 |
| SpeedEvil | yes | 20:39 |
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| DocScrutinizer | what's the CO2 absorber? | 20:44 |
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| SpeedEvil | lithium carbonate probably in some manner | 20:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer | uh, seems I need some wikireads. Never heard of | 20:54 |
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| RST38h | well...moo. | 20:57 |
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| PontusOhman | What's the problem when I can't connect to my N900:a from Ubuntu with booth SSH and Filezilla? The phone pings out :S | 21:08 |
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| trumee | luke-jr, ping | 21:45 |
| luke-jr | kerio: on a serious note, 1m = 1 me?tre; 1 [tonal] meter is abbreviated 1 M | 21:45 |
| luke-jr | err | 21:45 |
| luke-jr | trumee: ? | 21:45 |
| * luke-jr stabs input line | 21:45 | |
| trumee | luke-jr, i connected N900 directly to the pbx server via usb networking. the voip call got miced again | 21:46 |
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| luke-jr | wtf | 21:46 |
| trumee | luke-jr, so it is not an issue of wifi | 21:46 |
| luke-jr | switch? | 21:46 |
| luke-jr | would 3G come in another path? | 21:46 |
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| trumee | luke-jr, something is screwed up in N900 or pbx | 21:47 |
| luke-jr | but 3G works... | 21:47 |
| trumee | luke-jr, yup 3g works | 21:47 |
| trumee | luke-jr, i am going to do an install of centos today with freeswitch | 21:47 |
| luke-jr | trumee: it can't be the PBX if 3G works... O.o | 21:47 |
| trumee | luke-jr, i dont know what the issue it | 21:48 |
| trumee | luke-jr, i am doing tests by calling my voicemail number on FS | 21:48 |
| trumee | luke-jr, if i use ATA it is perfect but with N900 it screws up | 21:49 |
| luke-jr | ATA over USB? :p | 21:49 |
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| trumee | i wanted to capture usb data with tcpdump but it didnt work | 21:49 |
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| panaggio | Any idea how I can call that stop and be sure that some function is executed? | 22:10 |
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| Guido-5 | im thinkin about getting an N900 here when i go into the military. i was wondering if anyone can give me any advice or suggestions | 23:09 |
| udntnome | Guido-5: why do you want it? | 23:10 |
| tybollt | Guido-5: get a zahh | 23:10 |
| tybollt | zagg | 23:10 |
| Guido-5 | for SHTF thingymabob and tool | 23:11 |
| luke-jr | SHTF??? | 23:11 |
| Guido-5 | i wanna get a solar charger and maybe and extra battery | 23:11 |
| Guido-5 | shit hits the fan | 23:11 |
| * luke-jr doesn't get it | 23:12 | |
| Guido-5 | earth quakes | 23:12 |
| Guido-5 | world ending | 23:12 |
| udntnome | Guido-5: you a programmer? | 23:12 |
| Guido-5 | tornado | 23:12 |
| Guido-5 | hurricanes | 23:12 |
| Guido-5 | udntnome: no | 23:12 |
| luke-jr | if you're in an earthquake or tornado, put the N900 away :P | 23:13 |
| Guido-5 | why would i do that | 23:13 |
| udntnome | N900 is a bit rugged | 23:13 |
| udntnome | ive dropped it many times | 23:13 |
| luke-jr | at least until you get safe | 23:13 |
| Guido-5 | yeah it looks pretty beefy | 23:13 |
| luke-jr | maybe use the N900 as a flashlight if you need light :P | 23:13 |
| udntnome | use it as a bulletproof vest | 23:13 |
| Guido-5 | well im sure it hasa calculator | 23:14 |
| luke-jr | LOL | 23:14 |
| Guido-5 | it can store informatin on what to do and how to prepare things | 23:14 |
| Guido-5 | i can put videos on there of how to fix things | 23:14 |
| udntnome | i believe you can get a n900 for like 350 some places | 23:15 |
| Guido-5 | it wont just be for me. but also the people that are with me might need to know how to do things or repair things | 23:15 |
| GAN900 | Guido-5, what good does an N900 do for you then? | 23:15 |
| udntnome | its a good deal | 23:15 |
| GAN900 | Buy ammo or provisions instead. :P | 23:15 |
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| Guido-5 | GAN900: i might not be near home when SHTF | 23:16 |
| Guido-5 | so if i have that it would help out alot | 23:16 |
| Guido-5 | and it has GPS | 23:16 |
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| udntnome | where will you be taking this phone? | 23:16 |
| Guido-5 | it will be with me most of the time but when im out ona tour i wont have it with me | 23:17 |
| LiraNuna | what's the AVRCP version on the N900 is? | 23:17 |
| Guido-5 | but on my off time i will | 23:17 |
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| LiraNuna | it doesn't seem to send song meta-data to my AVRCP 1.3 car stereo | 23:18 |
| Guido-5 | im just wondering if there is anything to watch out for in the unit | 23:18 |
| Guido-5 | like prone to hot weather | 23:18 |
| Guido-5 | or soemthing | 23:18 |
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| Guido-5 | or something that is super sensative | 23:18 |
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| udntnome | Guido-5: i believe its like every other phone, but it does get hot doing lots of task and espically if you overclock it | 23:19 |
| Guido-5 | k | 23:19 |
| luke-jr | my N900 gets fairly hot when Gentoo is compiling stuff | 23:20 |
| Guido-5 | whats gentoo? | 23:20 |
| udntnome | crap linux distro | 23:21 |
| Guido-5 | heh | 23:21 |
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| Guido-5 | uh oh is pavlov done with his experiment? | 23:21 |
| Guido-5 | how would you compare the N900 to a droid? | 23:22 |
| luke-jr | Guido-5: build-your-own-OS toolkit basically :P | 23:22 |
| luke-jr | it compiles everything from scratch | 23:22 |
| Guido-5 | what on earth would i be compiling? | 23:22 |
| luke-jr | supports Linux, BSD, maybe Mac still, but obviously in context of N900 just Linux-based stuff | 23:22 |
| udntnome | Guido-5: Driod and Maemo to different OS's | 23:22 |
| luke-jr | you wouldn't if you're just using stock stuff | 23:23 |
| LiraNuna | where can I see a list of supported profiles of the N900? | 23:23 |
| Guido-5 | so you can put any OS you want on a N900? | 23:24 |
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| SpeedEvil | In principle, yes guido5. | 23:25 |
| luke-jr | Guido-5: not just any OS, but to an extent | 23:26 |
| SpeedEvil | In practice, you'd need to convince someone to port VMS to it. | 23:26 |
| luke-jr | SpeedEvil: and you'd need to reverse engineer all the closed stuff... | 23:26 |
| Guido-5 | no clue what VMS is | 23:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | Guido-5: you'll want to watch out for very weak USB connector. No good idea to drop the phone with cable plugged in | 23:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | Guido-5: also probably want silicon jacket and screen protector, and one or 2 spare batteries with desktop charger | 23:27 |
| Guido-5 | yeah thats what i was thinkin | 23:27 |
| udntnome | Guido-5: N900 is tended for programmer/hacking crawd who like to full around with the phone etc | 23:27 |
| udntnome | lot of the new phones have gps and play videos etc | 23:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | Guido-5: also the N900 is basically 'open', so even rain might be too much for it | 23:28 |
| luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: seriously? | 23:28 |
| Guido-5 | oh...im gonna geta a sealable case for it | 23:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | seriously | 23:28 |
| brik | mine has survived rain | 23:28 |
| luke-jr | wow | 23:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | when water starts running down between screen and keyborad, you fet a watercooled CPU XP | 23:29 |
| brik | not a lot of rain tho, have to take care of my baby <3 | 23:29 |
| luke-jr | <.< | 23:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | get* | 23:29 |
| GAN900 | Guido-5, Otterbox has a product. | 23:30 |
| SpeedEvil | When closed, it is perhaps 'splashproof' | 23:30 |
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| Yoann512 | hi | 23:37 |
| Yoann512 | is there a way to start x terminal directly with bash | 23:37 |
| Yoann512 | (on N900) | 23:38 |
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| LiraNuna | Yoann512, set it as user's shell | 23:38 |
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| SpeedEvil | Setting bas hs users shell bootlops the phone I believe | 23:39 |
| Yoann512 | you mean, in /etc/passwd ? | 23:40 |
| Yoann512 | i already did that | 23:40 |
| Yoann512 | it start bash | 23:40 |
| Yoann512 | but dont load my ~/.bashrc | 23:40 |
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| Yoann512 | i need to retype "/bin/bash" and then its ok | 23:40 |
| LiraNuna | <SpeedEvil> Setting bas hs users shell bootlops the phone I believe | 23:41 |
| LiraNuna | why? | 23:41 |
| LiraNuna | or rather, how? | 23:41 |
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| SpeedEvil | Simply as the X startup scripts - run as user - must have some ashisms | 23:43 |
| SpeedEvil | which don't work on bash | 23:43 |
| LiraNuna | "must have some ashisms" | 23:44 |
| SpeedEvil | At least people have reported that it bootloops the device. | 23:44 |
| LiraNuna | as in "it probably has ashisms" or "it MUST have ashisms to function properly" | 23:44 |
| SpeedEvil | Have syntax that is specific to the ash shell in busybox that don't work on bash | 23:44 |
| LiraNuna | so, it's potentially fixable, correct? | 23:45 |
| famicom | ok, just to stir up the beehive a bit, meamo is a lot more like a purpose built linux distro, rather than a locked in firmware kind of thing like windows mobile/iOS | 23:48 |
| famicom | or am i dead wrong? | 23:48 |
| SpeedEvil | fixable, yes. | 23:48 |
| SpeedEvil | famicom: yes | 23:48 |
| famicom | eh, did you answer the first or the second question :P | 23:49 |
| SpeedEvil | yes | 23:49 |
| SpeedEvil | Err | 23:50 |
| SpeedEvil | yes to liranimas - it's potentially fixable, yes to your question about it being a distro | 23:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | if you're not bootlooping on user's shell set to bash in passwd, then that's just because it doesn't suffice, you also need bash in /etc/shells to allow it for user's defualt shell - then happy reflashing | 23:52 |
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| luke-jr | famicom: it's not locked in firmware, but it's not completely open either | 23:52 |
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| luke-jr | and rather than "purpose built", I would suggest "usage built" | 23:52 |
| luke-jr | it's designed for finger-touch use, but not so much a specific purpose | 23:53 |
| udntnome | also you don't have to worry about nokia removing installed software on your phone without you knowing it :P | 23:53 |
| luke-jr | udntnome: no? can't be sure | 23:53 |
| luke-jr | udntnome: quite possible some blob gives them root | 23:53 |
| famicom | is it possible to run apt-get update && apt-get upgrade through ssh :P | 23:53 |
| luke-jr | they just SMS you a magic code and their proprietary phone stack sends them control ;) | 23:53 |
| luke-jr | famicom: yes | 23:54 |
| famicom | If i do rm -RF /* what will happen | 23:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | you win the internets | 23:55 |
| famicom | ghehehe | 23:55 |
| famicom | but in all seriousness | 23:55 |
| famicom | i gotta renew my cellphone plan in a few days, and i'm looking for a new phone. Up untill now i've used Windows Mobile, which is just plain godawful | 23:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer | in all seriousness I doubt RF are the options you meant, and /* will shellexpand to a list of dirs and files that get removed as the builtin last resort catch to stop you from rm -rf / will not help on a list of objects, I guess | 23:57 |
| famicom | yeah, you're right | 23:58 |
| LiraNuna | how can I see what profiles my N900 supports from a Linux computer? | 23:58 |
| famicom | yeah, but more in the sense of, am i deal with ROM or an actual read/write FS | 23:58 |
| LiraNuna | hcitool info lists capabilities of the HW, not software stack | 23:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'm not eager to verify-test it here for your convenience | 23:59 |
| famicom | anyway, i've had crap like pushmail on my phone, but it only works with exchange, which is a pisspoor excuse of an MTA | 23:59 |
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