IRC log of #maemo for Friday, 2010-07-23

lcukno, but the colorchart of countries has been showing russian all day, rst said it was some sort of russian slashdot00:00
lcuktheres such a difference though in the hits from there vs other countries, click view counts
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jacekowskilcuk: do you have referer?00:01
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lcukjacekowski, its on the youtube page, full stats are available00:01
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DocScrutinizerlcuk: there's no such info like countrymap for me... BUT: I see while watching again you even have a decent clue, well a whole set of clues hidden in this video. The reflection and the little sibling, the green dots showing actual calculation00:05
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lcukDocScrutinizer, yeah the widgets are just overlaying the live camera view with markers00:07
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lcukif you click on the little number of plays counter below video00:07
jacekowskion wchich video?00:07
lcukjacekowski, 5 posts up.  and omg @ size of the link00:08
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jacekowskiwhat would it do if you would move it to position between boxes?00:09
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lcukjacekowski, show 2 halves of 2 boxes00:10
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jacekowskihow is that mouse thingy working?00:11
jacekowskisame way as that AR00:11
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jacekowskior it's not working yet?00:11
lcukjacekowski, the working part is knowing where abouts on the mat i am00:11
lcukwhats not working is transmitting those coordinates to the main computer00:12
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jacekowskihow is it done?00:12
jacekowskiwith front camera?00:12
jacekowskibecause using that normal camera + LEDs00:12
lcukface camera00:13
jacekowskithat would be nice because it will work anywhere on any surface00:13
jacekowskior accelerometer00:13
lcukwell this technically allows 3d motion :)00:13
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jacekowskiaccelerometer would be cool00:14
jacekowskii think logitech is making accelerometer based mouse00:14
lcukmm no, they have a pointer stick presentaiton device i think00:14
lcukjacekowski, accelerometer:
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lcukbut i hve stufs to be packing up, I am heading to cambridge for Collabora 5th Birthday party tomorrow00:16
SpeedEvilYou really would need a full INS ideally for a mouse.00:16
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SpeedEvilBut accels have been used00:16
jacekowskilcuk: where do you live?00:16
jacekowskithat's not too bad00:16
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jacekowskii have to get to edinburgh sometime soon00:17
jacekowskiprobably next week00:17
lcukwhere are you?00:17
* lcuk always thought you were on the continent00:17
jacekowskiengland is on a continent00:17
lcuki hate driving so far though00:17
lcukwith a bit of a puddle00:17
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jacekowskii'm thinking about going there by plane00:18
jacekowskior train00:18
jacekowski8h by car is little bit too much00:18
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* lcuk likes the train00:20
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jacekowskiwell, plane is cheaper00:20
lcuksure, for that kind of distance00:21
jacekowski£150 with return ticket00:21
lcukplus, its international :p00:21
jacekowskiit's still UK00:21
jacekowskiunless something changed in last couple hours00:21
jacekowskiand scotland isn't in the UK anymore00:21
lcukits Scotland!00:21
lcukanyway >>>00:22
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jacekowskihave fun on your way to cambridge00:23
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jacekowskii'm thinking about going to sleep early00:24
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jacekowskibtw. n900 can safely survive 5V vbat00:46
DocScrutinizerjacekowski: sure it can00:47
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DocScrutinizerthough not exactly recommended00:47
jacekowskiwell, i've read that 5V vbat isn't safe00:47
DocScrutinizerquite some alerts will go off00:47
kerioheh, the battery will die so hard00:48
DocScrutinizerI suppose no battery involved00:48
jacekowskiyeah, power supply00:49
jacekowskii messed up supply rails on my breadboard00:49
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DocScrutinizerjacekowski: you're quite messy EE00:49
DocScrutinizerooops I shorted the 400V/5kA rail :P00:50
jacekowskiwell, i did that00:51
jacekowskiwith a spanner00:51
DocScrutinizerbet it was fun00:51
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jacekowskidropped onto live busbars00:51
jacekowskiand that was last time i saw that spanner00:51
DocScrutinizerlol I bet00:51
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jacekowskiit was just gone00:51
DocScrutinizeras was your ears00:52
jacekowskiwell, i had ear defenders00:52
DocScrutinizeryou're lucky00:52
jacekowskiwell, i heard stories about people that did worse things00:53
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wall[3]hello anyone know if I can get /usr/bin/rtcom-messaging-ui.launch from PR1.1 some how?00:57
ham5some how...00:57
wall[3]the binary.00:58
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wall[3]or can I mount the firmware image on gnu/linux?01:05
SpeedEvilnot easily01:05
SpeedEvilyou can, but it's an utter pain01:06
SpeedEvilyou need a mtd emulation layer01:06
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wall[3]seems like a lot of works01:06
wall[3]just need a single file :S01:10
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SpeedEvilOr backup apps, flash 1.1, copy, flash, restore01:10
wall[3]better not :S01:10
SpeedEvilI meant to copy my pr1.1 image, but I forgot01:10
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wall[3]wonder if apt-get downgrade something could help01:10
wall[3]or apt-get the deb of rtcom-messaging-ui package01:11
* wall[3] waits for an installation to finish.01:12
tremnite all, sweet dreams01:12
jacekowskiaccording to these picture there01:12
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jacekowskirapuyama really is completly standalone processor01:12
jacekowskithat can run whole phone without any help01:12
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wall[3]give up01:19
ham5whats so good about the 1.1?01:20
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ShadowJKjacekowski, doesn't sound impossible :)01:23
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DocScrutinizertzzz now he's gone. Had a 1.1.1 here01:28
ham5snooze you lose01:29
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DocScrutinizerjacekowski: I know. Absolutely no news01:29
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DocScrutinizerdid you even read any of the links I posted for you?01:30
DocScrutinizeranyway, o/01:31
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ham5no thanks.01:36
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Venemohey guys02:47
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ieatlintwtf qt... qdate reads the year "04" as 190402:48
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DocScrutinizer51what's wrong with 1904??? My granpa is born 190403:00
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DocScrutinizer51qtmindreader is still wip03:01
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LynoureKhertan: Yup, made one, I think it's pretty usable. But the dependencies are wrong for new PR1.2 installs, and I should repackage, but I'm on a trip now, without all that much network access (ref. todo app)03:04
ieatlintmortini: yeah, i had to do if( date.year() < 1950 ) date = date.addYears( 100 );03:04
ieatlintand my grandpa was born in the 1870s, 1904 is too recent03:05
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DocScrutinizer51ok, so if you're around 45 now= it's time to get a child like your pa and grandpa did when they were 4503:10
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ieatlinti a few years shy of 4503:10
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VenemoIf you like my Sticky Notes app, vote for it here:
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luke-jrDocScrutinizer51: 45 is grandfather age03:14
luke-jrif you don't have a child yet, you're too late03:14
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DocScrutinizer51when ieatlint's grandpa became grandpa  with 40, then ieatlint is at least 8003:17
luke-jryeah, someone born in 1870 should have great-great-great-great-great-grandchildren by now03:20
ieatlintyeah, well, my family is weird..03:21
ieatlintm under 3003:21
luke-jrso almost out of time :p03:22
luke-jroh, under03:22
DocScrutinizer51given a 1 child policy03:22
luke-jris absolutely evil03:23
DocScrutinizer51hmm this 2G setting doesn't work too well in poor reception areas03:24
* luke-jr wonders how patient to be with his GPS app03:25
DocScrutinizer51prolly missed a few bits03:25
luke-jrI wrote another simple script to theoretically setup phonet003:25
DocScrutinizer51anyway heading home...03:26
luke-jrDocScrutinizer51: did my GPS app ever work for you?03:26
kerioi'm still bummed that i can only get about 4 hours of usage with 3g data03:28
kerioin a zone with poor reception03:28
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luke-jrkerio: oh, is that why my battery life sucks?03:28
keriopoor reception kills the battery03:29
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kerioi mean, really poor03:29
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kerioeither that or it's yet another battery-draining bug03:30
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DocScrutinizerluke-jr: never heard of03:31
DocScrutinizerplus a few reposts...03:32
DocScrutinizer51ok, so if you're around 45 now= it's time to get a child like your pa and grandpa did when they were 4503:33
DocScrutinizer51but wait... around 1915 it wasn't usual to get childs when you're 47, so meke the 55 wrt your age. Still possible03:33
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DocScrutinizer51at least I hope so, for you03:33
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DocScrutinizereeeew, ***elf**********@@@@@@@@@@03:34
DocScrutinizerwell I'll try `exec` in bash :-P03:35
luke-jrDocScrutinizer: append .c if you want to try building it03:35
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DocScrutinizerman: can't chdir to No such file or directory03:36
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* DocScrutinizer ponders idly to `chdir /usr/local/bin && wget`03:39
DocScrutinizerNokia-N900-02-8:~# wget --help03:40
DocScrutinizer-sh: wget: not found03:40
luke-jrcurl -O ?03:41
luke-jr22 minutes, should I give up waiting for a fix?03:42
luke-jrwhat's the max GPS fix time again?03:42
SpeedEvil12.5 min or so03:42
SpeedEvilmaybe 1303:42
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DocScrutinizeror 25 if you missed  last packet03:42
* DocScrutinizer yaaaaaaaaaawns03:44
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DocScrutinizerohmy that yawning...03:45
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luke-jrI got GPS readings without booting Maemo first04:19
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wall[3]hi, how do I play some audio while calling?04:21
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wall[3]like a prerecord that make it like i am in a meeting or something.04:22
wall[3]or piano background shopping musics04:24
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wall[3]something to do with pulseaudio?04:25
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wall[3]found the thread04:29
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luke-jrso anyone want to try my cellmo boot thing?05:17
luke-jrcomments probably include private SIM crap, so binary-only for now..05:17
luke-jryou'll need a non-Maemo OS that doesn't touch phonet to test05:17
luke-jrcombined with my (open source) gps app, it can dump GPS info05:18
luke-jrat least for me...05:18
SpeedEvilcellmmo boot thing?05:21
SpeedEvilWould it work without05:21
SpeedEvilwork withotu SIM05:21
luke-jrSpeedEvil: good question :)05:26
luke-jrwant to try it?05:26
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luke-jrdo note that even with a SIM, I haven't managed to get either data or voice ;)05:26
SpeedEvilWould not going to offline mode, and killine phonet work?05:26
luke-jrno, I don't think there's any way to stop phonet completely without a reboot05:26
luke-jryou might be able to by removing the module05:26
luke-jrnote you'd be killing sscd05:27
luke-jrnot sure if there's any other long-running processes in Maemo05:27
SpeedEvilremoving that module worked05:28
SpeedEvilphonet module stil there05:28
SpeedEvilstop sscd seems to work05:28
SpeedEvilWould phonet need to be removed?05:29
luke-jrimpossible w/o killing USB net, so I couldn't try05:30
SpeedEvilkillall sscd I get 'telephony error... ' banner05:32
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SpeedEvilon wlan05:33
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SpeedEviloffline mode doesn't help so much logged in on wlan05:33
SpeedEvilis phonet the backend module, that talks to users, or is it the core module that talks to hardware?05:34
luke-jrit's the network layer that communicates with the phone CPU05:35
SpeedEvilah - rmmod -f phonet works05:37
SpeedEvil... ?05:37
luke-jruntil it crashes05:37
luke-jrrmmod -f is usually always a bad idea05:38
SpeedEvilbut it was working till the dog bit.05:38
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SpeedEvilanyway - what's the app/where05:41
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SpeedEvil /ping even05:45
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luke-jrSpeedEvil: sorryt05:52
SpeedEvilthis does what? Basically pokes the cellmo with an init packet?05:54
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luke-jrSpeedEvil: a bunch of various init packets06:01
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luke-jrSpeedEvil: test with my gps app06:04
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ham5nice resume luke06:05
prontodont!!! it's a trap! DD;06:05
SpeedEvilok - I'll probably do tomorroa06:05
luke-jrham5: ...06:11
ham5why make it as public as it is...06:15
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SpeedEvilerr - what?06:19
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luke-jrham5: why not?06:22
luke-jrSpeedEvil: he went browsing my site :P06:22
ham5surfs up dood06:25
luke-jrbtw, even if I released the source to initcellmo, it wouldn't be free software cuz it's all basically blob strings I don't understand :)06:26
luke-jrmore or less took the strace output and made it compileable06:27
luke-jrand replaced recv* with sleep :p06:27
* SpeedEvil wishes that xrandr -o 32 worked06:27
SpeedEvil(on his laptop)06:27
luke-jrbut that's not a valid option -.-06:28
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SpeedEvilI mean so that it fitted the largest rectangle possible into the screen, at that angle, and presented it as the display06:29
luke-jrreport a bug!06:29
luke-jrxrandr needs rotations other than multiples of 90 degrees!06:29
SpeedEvilAlso - incidentally - non rectangular windows.06:30
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luke-jrX supports those06:31
luke-jrmaybe not GTK or Qt...06:31
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wall[3]i think qt use 3d matrices for their view07:02
wall[3]and cairo shouldn't have problem displaying rotated text07:02
wall[3]uikit don't afaict07:03
wall[3]while appkit does that quite fine.07:04
wall[3](2d matrices though)07:04
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luke-jrFWIW, just confirmed KDE is lighter than Maemo5 <.<07:48
luke-jron memory07:48
ham5kde have a mobil version?07:48
* Stskeeps needs coffee07:51
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RST38hgood moorning Sts07:53
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luke-jrham5: Gentoo run on N900 :p07:53
luke-jrham5: full KDE!07:54
ham5mmm sounds like a pita07:54
luke-jrit is!07:56
luke-jrand I bet that memory thing changes the moment I fire up KMail07:56
luke-jrespecially now that KDE requires MySQL for it07:57
luke-jrStskeeps: doesn't MeeGo have plans to rewrite the WM in Qt4?07:57
wall[3]may be running it somewhere else?07:57
luke-jrwall[3]: not allowed! :P07:58
Stskeepsluke-jr: there's something called mcompositor07:58
luke-jrStskeeps: which is GTK AFAIK?07:58
luke-jrnow I just need a sane mail client07:58
asjhow are you calculating memory use exactly?07:58
luke-jrasj: swap usage07:58
asjluke-jr: lol07:58
luke-jrKDE can start without using swap07:58
luke-jrMaemo can't07:58
wall[3]what's the benefit of writing a simple wm with toolkits?07:59
Stskeepsluke-jr: btw, keep in mind that maemo precaches a shitload of stuff07:59
luke-jrwall[3]: WMs aren't so simple07:59
luke-jrStskeeps: not my fault07:59
wall[3]luke-jr, yeh but for small devices.07:59
luke-jrwall[3]: especially for small devices!07:59
wall[3]but may be good for data types objects etc.07:59
wall[3]i wrote like 3 wms heh07:59
luke-jrI couldn't find any specs to write a WM with :/08:00
luke-jrthinking about this further, I realize what I really want is an open Maemo in Qt4 <.<08:00
wall[3]i want open conversation app08:00
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luke-jrafter all, I can always run Arora and KMail-replacement on it...08:01
wall[3]it's useless now for my language and they don't bother fixing.08:01
luke-jrwall[3]: that too08:01
luke-jrI suspect even PR1.2 doesn't really support video08:01
luke-jrit doesn't work with Skype for Mac/Windows, nor Pidgin08:01
luke-jrnot sure there's much else...08:01
Stskeepsyou need to upgrade your skype08:02
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luke-jrStskeeps: pretty sure the Mac one was latest version08:04
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luke-jron further thought, I suspect I would be able to tolerate Maemo5 closed... except for the bugs/wishlists I want to fix08:05
luke-jrthat's one of the core problems with closed source08:05
luke-jryou can't fix/change it without rewriting everything :(08:06
Stskeepsmeh, what we try to fix with meego08:06
luke-jrbut MeeGo is RPM -.-08:06
* luke-jr ponders stealing all the software into Gentoo08:06
ds3hmmm what happened to claws?08:07
Stskeepsand gentoo's gentoo08:07
asjStskeeps: didn't you mean s/gentoo/big steaming pile/ ?08:08
luke-jrds3: it always sucked?08:08
luke-jrStskeeps: Gentoo works good for me :)08:08
Stskeepsasj: i decided to be diplomatic08:08
luke-jrStskeeps: it's just KDE that is failing08:08
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* luke-jr ponders what MeeGo's minimum supported resolution is-- 320x240 or 640x480?08:09
luke-jrI think KDE's is like 800x600 -.-08:09
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LiraNunafor a "private" beta, Opera sure updates a lot08:09
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ham5would like to see more updates to the firefox or maemos08:10
luke-jrpfft Firefox08:10
luke-jrthat's worse than KDE08:11
ham5kde is a desktop firefox is an app08:11
ham5apples oranges?08:11
luke-jrthat's what's so insane about it08:11
luke-jra mere app uses more memory than a desktop!08:11
ds3luke-jr: it sucked less then the built in mail08:11
luke-jrds3: honestly, I'm cool w/ M5's builtin mail08:11
ham5yea ill agree08:12
ham5its mail ffs08:12
luke-jras long as I go home eventually :P08:12
LiraNunaI don't use it, but I'd love push notifications instead of pulling08:12
luke-jrLiraNuna: M5 can't do push?08:12
asjit can't do imap idle08:12
luke-jrbut then, neither can KMail08:12
asjit can do mfe or nokia messaging08:12
luke-jrand then again, I don't care08:12
luke-jrbecause email isn't realtime anyway08:12
LiraNunaI could never get Nokia Messaging working08:12
ham5its mail08:13
luke-jrI don't want to even try Nokia anything services :P08:13
luke-jrham5: exactly. you sent it, I get it a week later08:13
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ham5look at you luke with your fancy ipv6 ip... do you dev at all?08:15
wall[3]i wonder if a plugin could allow loading all images in firefox as 2bits b/w08:15
luke-jrStskeeps: gprs-provisioning is closed too? :/08:15
luke-jrham5: ...08:15
luke-jrham5: how do you think I even have Gentoo running?08:15
wall[3]use some lame conversion, no need to be fancy08:15
ham5nothing for maemo tho?08:16
luke-jrham5: Maemo is closed.08:16
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luke-jrham5: the only reason I touch it at all these days is because Nokia sent me a N90008:17
luke-jrthus, my GCC 4.4 build kernel supports Maemo5 :p08:17
luke-jrpresumably my GPS code will be usable for MeeGo as well...08:18
luke-jrI'm also trying to get Linux ported over to N810-- that effort can benefit MeeGo as well08:19
ham5whats meego have to gain?08:19
ham5more of a redhat base isent it?08:19
luke-jrfor packages, yes08:20
luke-jrbut as far as actual code, MeeGo and Gentoo can share a lot08:20
luke-jrmainly I guess I focus on making things more open ;)08:20
luke-jrlike reverse engineering closed parts08:20
Stskeepsi still think one of the bigger problems on n8x0 is that we don't have DVFS :P08:20
luke-jrStskeeps: seriously, what difference does it make?08:21
Stskeepsluke-jr: well, for one, power saving08:21
Stskeepsas well as i suspect it only runs at 133mhz (base freq)08:21
* luke-jr glances at his N810...08:21
luke-jremerge (82 of 341) dev-libs/glib-2.22.408:21
luke-jr(now you know why I've been so N900-focussed for the past week...)08:22
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ham5you chatting on your gentoo n900 right now?08:23
luke-jrham5: no, I am chatting on my Gentoo amd64 right now. :P08:23
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ham5bout a 5 day uptime?08:23
ham5 01:21:55 up 8 days, 16:41,  2 users,  load average: 0.01, 0.03, 0.0408:24
luke-jrhow'd you find that out08:24
luke-jr 00:24:05 up 4 days, 23:28, 33 users,  load average: 0.37, 0.16, 0.1108:24
ham5so close ;)08:24
luke-jrseriously, how'd you guess08:24
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luke-jrwait no08:24
wall[3]ever log off irc?08:25
luke-jrnickserv says not08:25
luke-jrnot intentionally08:25
wall[3]then you are 0wned08:25
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luke-jrI'd be owned if I had my older uptime ;P08:25
luke-jrlast reboot 5 days ago was to update my kernel08:25
ham5what u run/.08:25
ham5gentoo's kernel08:26
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luke-jrit's pretty close to mainline08:26
luke-jrGentoo has a "no features" policy08:26
luke-jryeah, 4 patches08:27
luke-jra bugfix, a "cleanup", xconfig Qt4 support, and some framebuffer console decoration thing08:28
luke-jrsomeone needs to enforce policy on that last one O.o08:28
ham5yea framebuffer is defantly a feature08:28
luke-jrit puts a bg image on it -.-08:29
ham5its... to help run your monitors I thought08:29
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ham5yea nm08:33
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Corsacmhmh, thinks it's time for a reboot08:37
Corsacn900 starting to be dead slow08:38
ham5have a look at conkey see whats going on ?08:38
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Corsacno, mem usage I think08:40
Corsacit's just not able to maintain uptime more than 15-20 days08:40
Corsackilling hildon-desktop, modest and stuff like that helps a bit, but in the end I have to reboot08:41
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frals~curse elisa08:43
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Stskeepsfrals: joys of living in finland?08:46
fralsadsl dying every evening at 23:44, its awesome08:46
MiXu-tells you it's time to sleep ;)08:47
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Stskeepsfrals: matches with when the neighbour gets up to microwave a snack? ;)08:48
frals23:44:29board 0 line 0 channel 0, call 1, C01 Incoming Call 1500000   CALL DETAIL RECORD08:49
fralswonder wth that means :p08:49
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Paulyheyyy guys08:51
Stskeepsfrals: incoming call on your adsl? :P08:52
Stskeepsfrals: the internet phones back to haunt you!08:52
Paulyany1 know of an msn webcam app for n900 i tried with amsn but cant seem to install it  i think i might have 2 reflash to pr 1.1 but i would like to know if any1 has solution before doing so? any ideas?08:53
Paulypr 1.0 sry08:53
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Paulynone of my friends have skype, so u know?08:54
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Paulyokay lol thanks anyways08:55
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Paulywow i so losted?08:58
Corsacstart by upgrading to pr1.2?08:59
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Paulyno i have pr1.209:00
Paulyssry im confusing09:01
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Paulyi think i have 2 old firmware its okay i do it tomarrows to tired lol i want to use the front camera lol09:03
Corsacwhat makes you laugh that much?09:04
asjCorsac: the alchohol09:04
asjack, what ever09:04
Paulyof course09:04
Paulysorry am i an annoyance ? dont mean to be im new to all this i just didnt want to reflash.09:05
asjPauly: install pr1.209:06
Corsache already has09:06
Paulyi have that09:06
Corsacstop laughing09:06
Corsacthat's not funny09:06
Paulyhow about that fcamera it is so amazing09:06 sounds like a good place for yu09:07
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Paulyi was there09:07
D-Iivil_WorkX-Fade, ping09:09
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Paulyhey i would love to help port something or develop somthing but i have no skills but alot of free time, so i will learn some skills and then come back i guess. i just wanna be involved i know i seem like a freeloader.09:11
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alteregoThat was the best nights sleep I've had in weeks.09:16
alteregoand it's the first time I've woken up before ten in a couple of months...09:16
alterego(7:00 here)09:16
D-Iivil_Workalterego, congrats!09:17
alteregoHopefully it's a return to normality.09:17
alteregothanks :)09:17
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D-Iivil_WorkI couldn't sleep at all last night.09:17
D-Iivil_WorkSo I'm running with the same eyes than yesterday.09:18
D-Iivil_WorkThe air was so swetty. Storm is coming.09:19
CorsacI'm running with the same eyes since I was born09:19
D-Iivil_WorkBut it's very very creative state when you haven't slept or you're having a huge hangover.09:20
D-Iivil_Workstate of mind I mean.09:20
D-Iivil_WorkToo bad that today I have only some stupid database administratinon scheduled @ work and nothing artistic :-(09:21
D-Iivil_WorkSo maybe I'll go and grab the fourth cup of coffee...09:21
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alteregoHave fun crashing this afternoon :P09:23
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D-Iivil_WorkThanks, I will :P09:25
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bef0rdhey! I am wondering, should I get a n900 now? or just wait some months for the next nokia/meego device?09:37
ham5like the consumer is ever going to stop09:37
ham5do what you want something newer and badder is always going to come out 'next'09:38
Stskeepsbef0rd: n900 price will dump anyway09:38
Stskeepsso depending on what you want09:38
asjbef0rd: is the sky blue?09:38
ham5skys grey here asj09:39
tybolltdoes flash work in anything else than microb?09:39
ham5like what?09:40
ham5need it for your phone calls?09:40
bef0rdit should it's a nsplugin complement thing, and other rendering engines like webkit support it09:40
asjham5: I'm glad I'm here then09:40
tybolltoh opera, firefox, chrome, you numbnut09:40
tybolltbef0rd: right what I guess I should've asked is... is the way to make it work known :)09:41
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tybolltI want to switch to fennec permanently since microb fails on JS on my most used site (looking up bus schedules)09:42
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bef0rdfennec is gecko, so it def should work, check the aboug:plugins09:43
tybollthmm yeah09:43
RST38hall right, moo all09:43
tybolltrst surely knows this09:44
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tybolltKnown Issues09:45
tybolltInitially, Firefox for N900 does not support browser plug-ins. Due to performance problems using Adobe Flash within Firefox on many websites, especially those with multiple plug-ins on them, we have disabled plugins for Firefox for Maemo 1.0. We plan to provide a browser add-on that will enable you to selectively enable plugins on certain sites, because some sites, like YouTube, work well.09:45
tybolltwell that you have it tybollt09:45
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tybolltfennec for qt? :-o09:52
tybolltgots to havez09:52
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Stskeepsah, yeah09:53
Stskeepswe have that in meego too09:53
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* Termana stabs N900 connection manager.09:54
tybolltStskeeps: caveat; YOU have meego, right now meego is not for my n900 =)09:54
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Stskeepstybollt: well, if it wasn't for the fact our armv7l builds are crap atm, you would have it :P09:54
SwedeMikeI don't like that the connection manager thinks "network connection failed" just because it only got IPv6 and not IPv4 on the PDP :P09:54
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TermanaFor some reason it won't give internet access if you hook it up to USB, connect to internet through USB on (LINUX BASED) PC, and then try and use it. But it will work if you connect on the device first, and then connect to USB.09:55
tybolltStskeeps: Well I can wait. From what I saw on my netbook it's good stuff.09:56
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tybolltGranted the UX stuff is similar; netbook <-> handheld :S09:56
tybolltis it?09:56
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RST38hnetbook != handheld09:58
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RST38hIn fact, I have no idea why you would need some "new" UX for the netbook: a normal desktop UX works just fine09:58
Termana<RST38h> netbook != handheld <-- are you implying something?10:00
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Termananevermind I looked at the logs10:00
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Termanatybollt, haven't you looked at the Handset UX videos?10:01
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tybolltTermana: I have not indeed10:06
tybolltI'm flash-impaired on my desktop system normally (mind, I consider that a good thing ;P)10:06
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tybolltin HAM10:46
tybolltI click on "uninstall"10:46
tybolltyellow bar; "operation failed"10:47
tybolltand then "no applications installed"10:47
tybolltyeah - THAT'S likely10:47
Stskeepssuccess, obviously10:47
tybolltStskeeps: is it a known bug then?10:47
Stskeepsno, but it did succeed in uninstalling10:47
tybollt*everything* in one fell swoop10:48
* tybollt is impressed ;)10:48
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iliusI'm a PyGTK programmer, and I want to know how to add an item to the Maemo 5 tray icon (that contains clock and battery an silent ... icons)11:14
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iliusi can not find anything in python-hildon library11:14
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JaffaMorning, all11:19
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D-Iivil_WorkGood morning jacekowski11:25
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D-Iivil_Workdamn autocomplete.11:25
D-Iivil_Work~seen X-Fade11:25
infobotx-fade is currently on #maemo #meego. Has said a total of 79 messages. Is idling for 21h 59m 11s, last said: 'thp: 3 testers said it was ok then.'.11:25
aaaaaD-Iivil_Work øëþõà11:26
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D-Iivil_Workaaaaa, ?!?11:26
aaaaaD-Iivil_Work 3====D æåðæè õóé ãîâîðþ11:27
Stskeepsenglish please11:27
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aaaaaStskeeps no speak English11:28
aaaaaStskeeps à íà ðóññêîì ÿ òå ñêàæó ÷òî òû ïèäàðîê =)11:28
Stskeepsthis is an english only channel11:28
aaaaaStskeeps ïåðåâîä èùè õóéëè òû11:29
aaaaa÷åðò ñóêà11:29
aaaaaà ÿ áóäó òåáÿ ãíîáèòü11:29
aaaaaMohammadAG51 .!.11:29
MohammadAG51shove it up your arse11:29
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aaaaaMohammadAG51 õóéöà ñîñíè11:30
*** aaaaa was kicked by Stskeeps (please speak english here.)11:30
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aaaaaStskeeps õóéòå â ñðàêó11:30
MohammadAG51Stskeeps, +q11:30
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aaaaaMohammadAG51 + ñîñè ó ìåíÿ11:30
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MohammadAG51idk what that means, cba to translate, most probably a swear word, who cares11:31
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Stskeepswhat language is that, anyway?11:32
slonopotamusi think it's broken due to encoding issues.11:32
MohammadAG51not sure, but it looks harder than C :P11:32
iliushi all. I'm a PyGTK programmer, and I want to know how to add an item to the Maemo 5 tray icon (that contains clock and battery an silent ... icons), or am i wrong and thats not "Tray Icon" and has another name?11:32
slonopotamusor font troubles11:32
MohammadAG51or retarded talk11:32
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MohammadAG51crashanddie, hmm, anything on neopwn?11:35
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PhonicUKhey all11:53
PhonicUKhas anyone tried Milky Tracker on their N900?11:53
dunz0rPhonicUK: It works.11:53
PhonicUKis there an optified version?11:53
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ieatlintdoes anyone here have a square dongle and an n900?11:53
dunz0rYou need to exchange the sdl-lib for the one with pulse-audio support for it to work though.11:53
fralstybollt: ?11:54
jacekowskii need to finish my spectrum analyser11:54
PhonicUKdunz0r, where can I find that?11:54
jacekowskiwell, it's finished, just slow11:54
dunz0rIn apt-get.11:54
PhonicUKany idea of the package name?11:54
ieatlintalso, anyone here have an DL/ID card from a Canadian, US or Mexican authority that has a magnetic stripe and is willing to give me some extremely generic info about how your ID numbers are formatted?11:55
fralstybollt: query me, going for lunch :p11:57
jacekowskii have card withmagnetic stripe11:57
jacekowskibut it's not an id card11:57
ieatlinti have a maemo app written in qt that reads magnetic stripe cards.. have it configured to identify credit cards and AAMVA-compliant cards and display the data formatted11:58
jacekowskihow does it read that strip11:58
ieatlintso i can for instance swipe an ID card from most north american states/provences and it will give me the issuing authority, the ID number, date of expiration and date of birth11:59
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jacekowskiswipe where?11:59
jacekowskido you have external reader?11:59
ieatlinta dongle with a cassette tape header that interfaces through the audio jack11:59
jacekowskithat's not going to work with most of cards11:59
ieatlint (commercial site, not intending to advertise it) has pics of said dongle11:59
jacekowskimost of these cards are multitrack12:00
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ieatlintyeah, i can read track 212:00
ieatlintand my software is configured for ABA only12:00
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ieatlintbut any card with a magnetic stripe on track 2 written with the ABA spec works -- from gift cards, to credit cards, IDs, store membership cards12:01
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ieatlintcredit cards for instance give me CC number and expiration date only -- the name of the cardholder is on track 1, which i cannot indeed read (although i hope to get a track 1 reader shortly)12:01
PhonicUKwow lots of new N900 stuff recently12:02
defraggeris it possible that maemo disconnects the wlan interface automatically?12:03
PhonicUKyes it does12:03
PhonicUKwhenever its not used for a minute or so12:04
ieatlintbut for a $0.20 dongle, i can mimic the functionality of $300+ devices that clubs use to check IDs on an n900... easily ported to android/iphone/etc as well12:04
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ieatlintanyway, my interest is that if someone has an AAMVA complaint ID/DL (ie, issued from any country in north america), i would like to know the format of the ID number so i can display it properly -- for instance, california IDs are LNNNNNNN -- just looking for this kind of generic info12:06
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defraggeruhm, i connected with my laptop in ad-hoc mode and it still disconnects after some time12:06
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tybolltjacek: flash in chrome workie yet?12:06
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jacekowskiieatlint: so how does it accept cards?12:07
jacekowskiieatlint: for payment?12:07
jacekowskiieatlint: and what about EMV cards?12:07
jacekowskiand chip&pin12:07
jacekowskiand here you get card terminal for free with business account12:08
tybolltjacekowski: flash in chrome workie yet?12:08
jacekowskiit's working12:08
jacekowskibut crashing12:08
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jacekowskii don't have time to do a lot more work on it12:08
tybolltjacekowski: what's the status wrt the legal issues?12:08
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jacekowskistatus is that i don't care12:08
ieatlintuh, i have signed an NDA with square, but i can likely answer several questions -- however, there is no maemo support for square and i am 100% unaware of any plans to bring support to maemo, so you cannot process any payments through square on maemo12:08
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ieatlintin the US, chip&pin does not exist12:09
tybolltawww :)12:09
jacekowskiwell, i can do it legally12:09
jacekowskiit's only US that it's patented12:09
jacekowskiand i'm never going there again12:09
ieatlintyou slide the card, it reads track 2, gives the square app your CC number (as printed on card) and the expiration date only.  it then sends it off to a square server for authorisation12:10
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ieatlintsignature is collected using the touchscreen, receipts are sent via email12:10
ieatlintany transaction requiring a pin is not supported12:10
jacekowskithat's sooooo unsecure12:10
ieatlint(or any that require more than track 2 of a CC num)12:10
jacekowskii would reverse and abuse that app just for sake of doing that12:11
ieatlintso is me standing at a local supermarket with a DSLR taking pics of people pulling their credit cards out of their wallet -- your point?12:11
kerioieatlint: you need front and back12:11
ieatlintperhaps :P12:12
ieatlintanyway, yes, it is possible that you could even write an app that sits on the audio interface and intercepts card swipes12:12
jacekowskiieatlint: what would picture of card give you?12:12
ieatlintthe CC number and expiration date12:12
ieatlintuh, well, not too useful, the name of the cardholder12:12
jacekowskiyou need CVV code12:12
ieatlintCVV is only required for some things12:13
ieatlintif i want to go on a shopping spree, sure12:13
jacekowskiwell, not here12:13
jacekowskiall transactions here are chip & pin and if it's not chip& pin12:13
jacekowskithen it requires all details from credit card12:13
ieatlintchip&pin doesn't even exist at all in the US12:13
jacekowskiand some details that are not on card12:13
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jacekowskilike password12:14
ieatlintchip is non-existent.. we have something called debit, which is a card attached to a checking account12:14
jacekowskiwe have that as well12:14
ieatlintit can be run as a credit card (signature required only) or as a "debit card", which requires a pin number12:14
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alteregoHeh, I'm actually quite unsuruprised at the amount of idiots using "Titans" power kernel that don't even know how to revert back to stock.12:14
jacekowskiwell, here if card is chip& pin capable you have to use chip& pin12:15
ieatlintit's highly insecure, and everyone has had their credit card compromised at some point12:15
alteregoTitan should not have made it so easy for people to use his kernel...12:15
jacekowskior transaction is rejected12:15
jacekowskiieatlint: if card is compromised who's responsibility is it?12:16
* psycho_oreos doesn't know why idiots would want to use titan's power kernel without fully understanding it can work as a double edged sword12:16
ieatlinti've had experience with that :P12:16
jacekowskii mean, who's paying for the losses?12:16
ieatlintin denmark, they kept asking me to enter a pin for my CC... thankfully one cashier knew to tell me to just enter 000012:16
tybolltjacekowski: so essentally you dropped maintainership? I mean I care because if I start using it it'd probably be nice if it had a maintainer :)12:16
ieatlintcomplicated question... simple answer is the merchant pays for the losses12:16
ieatlintcomplicated answer is the merchant pays for it, but their account for accepting cards includes insurance which covers it12:17
jacekowskiieatlint: i got asked for zip code12:17
ieatlintzip code is common for gas stations only here12:17
jacekowskiand underground in NY12:17
ieatlintand generally useless.. if i mug someone, i have their ID, which includes their zip code12:17
Corsacit's nice to enter my zip code from Paris, Fr in a gas station in US12:17
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Corsacit think i'm located somewhere in texas12:18
jacekowskiwell, england has letters in post codes12:18
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ieatlintplus if you go to see the gas station attendant, he can run your card without a zip12:18
jacekowskiso i had to just enter 1234512:18
tybolltCorsac: you THINK?12:18
ieatlintand he's getting minimum wage, so he doesn't give a fuck if it's stolen12:18
Venemogood morning guys12:18
jacekowskiieatlint: well, here with cards it's always bank responsibility12:18
ieatlintjacekowski: i'm not saying the US system makes sense :)12:19
ieatlintin fact, i feel truly sorry for small shops12:19
jacekowskiieatlint: only when you are responsible is when you have not notified bank withing 48h12:19
Corsactybollt: no, but it does12:19
jacekowskiieatlint: and then you are still only responsible up to £20012:19
ieatlintit's considered very impolite to use a card at a small store unless it's for a large transactions12:19
jacekowskiieatlint: why?12:20
ieatlintyeah, the standard policy here is that you have 30 days from the date of your last statement to notify the bank of fraudulent charges12:20
ieatlintbecause of the fees12:20
Corsacieatlint: but you do have chip & pins for some atms in large cities, don't you?12:20
keriogee, we just don't pay the taxes when paying with cash12:20
ieatlintif i go to a small store and buy $10 worth of stuff, the standard rates are $0.35 per transaction and ~%3 of the purchase amount12:20
kerioitaly, the true land of the free12:20
jacekowskiieatlint: well, here banks are responsible for any losses so they tend to care more12:20
sejohmm kmplayer plays videofile but the media app included not... missing codecs?12:21
ieatlintso the store sees $10 become $9.35.. which definitely hits their profit margin12:21
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ieatlintat major stores, whatever, they expect it12:21
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ieatlintbut small shops, they groan, and often enough will try to charge $0.50-$1.00 "credit card fees" to recoup their loss (which is technically against their contract with the bank, but a generally accepted reality)12:22
ieatlintit's a messed up system12:23
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ieatlintbut the banks set the rules12:23
Stskeepsheh, i've tried to pay for a pack of cigs + candies plus a public transport ticket here in warsaw with my cc.. due to the fact they can't do markup on the bus ticket, they refuse the whole deal12:23
jacekowskiieatlint: well, here it's free12:23
jacekowskiStskeeps: where are you from?12:23
Stskeepsjacekowski: i'm from denmark originally but living in warsaw12:24
ieatlintjacekowski: you end up learning a whole etiquette about where and when it's acceptable to use a credit card12:24
sejoI'm using fapman but how to disable the normal application manager?12:24
ieatlintit's weird, but you get used to it12:24
Stskeepsjacekowski: tax's low, scandinavian pay and married to a polish girl12:24
Stskeepsso, why not12:24
jacekowskiieatlint: well, here you just use card everywhere, because to use debit card is free for me and a seller12:25
jacekowskiieatlint: and debit cards are most popular ones12:25
ieatlintdebit is usually free12:25
jacekowskiStskeeps: tax is low?12:25
Stskeepsjacekowski: compared to denmark it's low12:25
jacekowski22% VAT12:25
Stskeepsalso, prices are 1/412:25
jacekowski40% income tax12:25
StskeepsDK has 25% VAT12:25
jacekowskiwell 40% above 80k12:25
ieatlintheh, where i live is a 9.5% sales tax :P12:26
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ieatlint+4% on restuarants12:26
jacekowskiStskeeps: and warsaw12:26
jacekowskiStskeeps: do you really like it?12:26
Stskeepsjacekowski: yeah, i like it so far - still trying to get more roots down here and get to know people12:26
jacekowskihow's your polish?12:27
Stskeepsnot good, but i took at least one level12:27
ieatlintif i had the means and the money to move out of the US, i would12:27
Stskeeps(just lived here since september)12:27
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jacekowskiif i would ever come back to poland it will be very very far away from warsaw12:28
ieatlintbut i'm in the one of the most hospitable parts of the US, so i'm content12:28
jacekowskiwarsaw is inhabitable for me12:28
Stskeepsjacekowski: i'm not very picky and scaringly, the public transport here is better than in denmark :P12:29
Stskeepsso there's positive things12:29
jacekowskitry driving a car in warsaw12:29
jacekowskii've done that once12:30
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Stskeepsyea, they certainly seem to have a law that you may only stick in the same lane for 10 seconds at a time12:30
jacekowskiexcept ambulance lanes apparently12:30
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jacekowskithere is one close to one of hospitals12:31
alteregoKeeps your mind on driving. It's like speed, the have bombs on each car ..12:31
jacekowskithat's constantly blocked by somebody12:31
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Stskeepsi really do miss having good pakistani or turkish pizzas here though12:31
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Stskeepsbesides that, it's an experience to live abroad for the first time12:33
jacekowskionly thing that was good in warsaw was wolumen12:33
jacekowskibut that's not what it used to be12:33
Stskeepshave you been back recently?12:35
jacekowskino, last time i've been in warsaw was 3 years ago12:35
Stskeepsi mean, i've been here the last three years and it has changed a lot in some areas12:35
Stskeepsas in, trips every summer12:35
keriowhat's wrong with the kernel-power?12:35
kerioit's awesome12:35
jacekowskibut i've been in some other places couple months ago12:35
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Stskeepsthings have also gotten more expensive, though12:36
D-Iivil_WorkHelp please; my phone went into reboot-loop after installing fcamera driver. I can ssh to phone via bootmenu.12:37
jacekowskiD-Iivil_Work: disable lifeguard reset12:37
StskeepsD-Iivil_Work: sure that's enabled? last i saw, that feature wasn't working12:38
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D-Iivil_WorkOkay.. now it went all grazy :-D12:38
D-Iivil_WorkShuts itself down when bootmenu is running.12:38
D-Iivil_WorkWould reflashing the kernel help?12:38
Stskeepswhat kernel did you have before?12:39
aksheyHi, Can I use my n900 as 3G or GPRS modem and access internet from my linux machine?12:39
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jacekowskiakshey: yes12:39
aksheyjacekowski: is there a free app for that?12:39
Corsachere fcamera wouldn't install with the power kernel12:39
jacekowskiakshey: pc suite12:39
jacekowskiakshey: on windows12:39
jacekowskiakshey: on linux just connect it in pc-suite mode12:39
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jacekowskiakshey: and you should get on serial port12:40
noobmonk3yakshey: or joikuspot/mobile hot spot :)12:40
D-Iivil_WorkSo reflash the whole thing?12:40
noobmonk3y(They turn it into a wireless routery kinda thing so to speak) - well hotspot12:40
jacekowskiD-Iivil_Work: disable watchdog and lifeguard reset12:40
noobmonk3yakshey: mobile hotspot (Or something like that) is free i think12:40
D-Iivil_Workjacekowski, how?12:40
aksheyjacekowski: are these apps free? joikuspot/mobile hot spot12:40
noobmonk3yakshey: joiku is not free, works though as i have it12:40
jacekowskiD-Iivil_Work: with flasher12:41
D-Iivil_Workjacekowski, googling.12:41
jacekowskiD-Iivil_Work: run flasher without any options12:41
aksheynoobmonk3y: ok. does mobile hotspot work properly?12:41
jacekowskiD-Iivil_Work: and it will give you all info you need12:41
D-Iivil_Workjacekowski, just the falsher.exe ?12:41
jacekowskinah, you have to install it12:41
infobotflashing is probably
jacekowskithese are all links you need12:41
jacekowskiinstall flasher12:41
jacekowskithen go to folder with it12:41
D-Iivil_Workjacekowski, yep. Found already :)12:41
jacekowskithen run flasher-3.5.exe12:41
aksheyjacekowski: how can i access internet through serial port method?12:42
jacekowskiand it will give you all options12:42
D-Iivil_Workjacekowski, I've flashed the thing million times before. Just needed to find the right syntax.12:42
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jacekowskiand --set-rd-mode-flag12:42
noobmonk3yakshey: Pc suite will allow you via the cable12:42
jacekowskiand --set-rd-flag12:42
jacekowskiakshey: after you connect it in pcsuite mode12:42
aksheynoobmonk3y: but it will work only in windows. I want in linux :(12:42
jacekowskiakshey: you will get serial port12:42
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jacekowskiakshey: that behaves just like normal modem12:42
noobmonk3yakshey: i thought it worked fine in linux now?12:43
jacekowskiakshey: so find howto about using modems in linux12:43
Corsachmmh but that means you open two connections at once?12:43
aksheyjacekowski: ok. thanks. By any chance is PC suite available for linux?12:43
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Corsacor does that mean the n900 won't have connection when you tether12:43
jacekowskiakshey: no12:43
jacekowskiCorsac: it won't12:43
jacekowskiwell, rapuyama can do a lot12:44
jacekowskiso it might have capabilities for 2 connections12:44
jacekowskibut i never tried it12:44
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jacekowskimodem in n90012:44
aksheynoobmonk3y: is Joikuspot lite available for n900?12:45
jacekowskiRAP stands for radio application processor12:45
jacekowskii don't know what UYAMA stand's for12:45
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jacekowskibut rapuyama itself is a quite powerfull processor12:46
jacekowskiyou could run whole phone on just that chip12:46
noobmonk3yakshey: tehre is a demo version somewhere - try ovi store12:46
Corsacgoogle likes to spell it rapu-yama12:46
aksheynoobmonk3y: ok. thanks12:46
jacekowskithere were different versions12:46
jacekowskiand similiar chips12:47
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TermanaN900jacekowski, i am able to have a 3G connection on the n900 and on my linux pc in pc-suite mode12:47
noobmonk3yakshey: joiku has improved alot - manaed to use it for a weekend a few weeks ago and dloaded 2.8gb in the weekend with over 8 people connected :)12:47
TermanaN900they both work at the same time12:47
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CorsacTermanaN900: nice12:47
StskeepsTermanaN900: i had severe lag problems with that12:47
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Corsacthough that means you need two carrier accounts, I guess?12:47
aksheynoobmonk3y: nice :)12:47
Corsacthat's not really piggybacking on the n900 connection if you mount one yourself12:48
jacekowskiCorsac: not really12:48
jacekowskiCorsac: i wouldn't be surprised if rapuyama terminates ppp session by itself12:48
jacekowskiCorsac: because rapuyama needs to handle agps stuff somehow12:48
jacekowskiCorsac: while still giving main application processor access to internet12:48
jacekowskiso it can have 2 connections open12:49
TermanaN900jacekowski, who in the world named it rapuyama? :P12:49
jacekowskithere is gazoo as well12:49
D-Iivil_Workjacekowski, okay, lifeguard-reset is now disabled, but couldn't find anything about that watchdog12:49
jacekowskiwhich does rapuyama power managment12:49
jacekowskiD-Iivil_Work: give me a sec12:50
D-Iivil_Workjacekowski, watchdog isn't listed as available --set-rd-flags12:50
jacekowskii don't remember these flags12:50
D-Iivil_Workjacekowski, I'm on 2G internet here so googling is very very slow...12:50
D-Iivil_WorkNow trying ->12:51
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jacekowskiforce-power-key may help as well12:51
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Corsachmh, and then how am I supposed to find the various AT commands, phone numbers for my APN and stuff like that? those aren't in n900 settings, afair?12:52
jacekowskiCorsac: nah, just atdt *99#12:52
jacekowskiand you will get ppp12:52
jacekowskiso all you have to do is set up phone number to *99#12:53
D-Iivil_Workjacekowski, no go. Still in reboot-loop.12:53
jacekowskiflash it12:53
D-Iivil_Workjacekowski, yep. That's what I'll do.12:53
jacekowskiideally full flash12:54
jacekowskiwith emmc12:54
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jacekowskibut rootfs only flash will probably work as well12:54
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jacekowskibtw. i think NOLO stands not for NOkia LOader but for Nokia Omap LOader12:55
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D-Iivil_Workjacekowski, no go... the thing shuts itself down during flashing.12:58
D-Iivil_Workjacekowski, maybe some HW failure then.12:58
D-Iivil_Workjacekowski, it stays powered on for like ~1 minute after powering it up.12:58
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D-Iivil_WorkWell, now I think is the right time to buy another unit :)12:59
jacekowskihmm, battery flat13:00
D-Iivil_WorkOops, I take that back. Got it flashed with another try.13:00
D-Iivil_WorkBattery was 95%.13:01
alterego1 minute, that's about the same length of time as the watchdog timeout :/13:01
D-Iivil_WorkWell, got it back to desktop.13:01
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D-Iivil_WorkThen I guess is again time to install everything back :-P13:02
Corsacless expensive :)13:02
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D-Iivil_WorkCorsac, yeah and I have a backup from three days ago.13:02
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D-Iivil_WorkSo no big deal.13:02
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D-Iivil_WorkBut just wondering why it went into that state. Maybe I should report it to the developer of fcamera13:03
alteregoI doubt it's anything to do with fcamera tbh13:03
jacekowskibattery still full?13:03
D-Iivil_Workjacekowski, battery now like 80%13:03
jacekowskino idea then13:04
D-Iivil_Workalterego, well, I just installed the fcamera + driver and then when tried to reboot as the instructions told it went into reboot-loop.13:04
alteregoShit happens :P13:05
D-Iivil_Workalterego, yeah :)13:05
alteregoI've actually never witnessed a reboot loop on any of my tablets unusually...13:05
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D-Iivil_Workalterego, I hadn't before also :P13:06
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Stskeepsyou haven't harmed your tablets enough then13:07
D-Iivil_WorkI wish the backup (even the build-in one) could be automaticly scheduled.13:08
TermanaN900Stskeeps, sir im going to have to ask you to step this way. It is a federal offence to harm the tablets13:08
jacekowskii'm going to have to ask you to leave the internet13:09
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CorsacD-Iivil_Work: fcamera has a Conflict: or something with the kernel I was using, so HAM didn't want to install it before I removed the kernel13:10
CorsacD-Iivil_Work: if fcamera did install with the wrong kernel, that could have led to that13:10
D-Iivil_WorkCorsac, I installed it using fapman.13:11
Corsacthat's why13:11
Corsac(what's fapman?)13:11
D-Iivil_WorkCorsac, so that might explain why it installed :)13:11
D-Iivil_WorkCorsac, faster application manager13:11
alteregoStskeeps: I am somewhat unadventurous, I'm running a custom kernel that is using rx51_defconfig and no modifications :#13:11
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D-Iivil_WorkCorsac, pretty good alternative to built-in appmanager.13:11
Corsacexcept it won't warn you before bricking your device, though :)13:11
D-Iivil_WorkCorsac, hehe :P13:12
D-Iivil_WorkCorsac, maybe I'll need to report to the developer of the fapman then :)13:12
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D-Iivil_WorkCorsac, what should I report? That it won't warn about confligts? What is the conflict it should warn about?13:12
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Corsacno idea, tbh :)13:14
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alteregoHappy buckyball day! :D13:14
D-Iivil_WorkCorsac, well, I just put it this way: Seems like fapman does not care if the package that's about to be installed conflicts with another package. It installs the package anyway.13:14
achipaD-Iivil_Work: heya. does the promotion thingy work for you now ?13:15
CorsacI don't know how fapman works, but aiui the Conflicts should be at least handled by dpkg13:15
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D-Iivil_Workachipa, how did you know it wasn't working?13:15
achipaerr... you said it right on this channel ?13:15
D-Iivil_Workachipa, I tried to reach X-Fade yesterday but couldn't.13:16
D-Iivil_Workachipa, still does not work. I received a notification that ~12 of my packages is now "promotion unlocked" stage, and I can see the promote -link, but when pressing it I get server error saying I need more votes. Weird.13:16
achipahe said he changed a few things but don't know if it included that particular issue13:16
achipayour unlock is probably due to super-tester votes, and there is apparently some code snippet that does not take in into consideration13:17
D-Iivil_Workachipa, yep, that's the case.13:17
D-Iivil_Workachipa, error says I need to have >3 votes from testers. I have only three votes from testers. So the script tells I need to have MORE than three, but promotion link is shown even I have only three.13:18
achipa3 should be enough (if they are all up, of course)13:18
achipaso >=313:18
D-Iivil_Workachipa, yep. That's the error. Should be >=3, not >3.13:19
D-Iivil_WorkSomeone tell that to X-Fade if he shows up when I'm not around :)13:19
achipaand the presumption you're not a super-tester yourself (maintainers cannot super-promote their own packages)13:19
D-Iivil_Workachipa, no I'm not.13:19
D-Iivil_WorkDamn it takes long to download 179megs via 2G-connection :-P13:20
DocScrutinizerwiki ever been up for anybody last 12h?13:20
D-Iivil_WorkDocScrutinizer, it's up but very very slow.13:21
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jacekowskiDocScrutinizer: dead for lat 24h13:21
DocScrutinizerX-Fade: PING ^^^13:21
alteregoD-Iivil_Work: I wouldn't even bother :P13:21
D-Iivil_Workjacekowski, it opens to me, but it takes like ~5 minutes to load the page.13:21
D-Iivil_Workalterego, restoring the apps @ 2G connection? :D13:21
DocScrutinizerX-Fade: dunno if you can do anything with akamai or whatever has died13:22
jacekowskiakamai costs a lot13:22
Corsacreboot the n770 array?13:22
DocScrutinizerjacekowski: so shouldn't it work then, if Nokia pays a lot?13:22
jacekowskiyeah, sometimes i think is running on n900 cluster13:22
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jacekowskiDocScrutinizer: i doubt nokia has akamai for maemo13:23
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DocScrutinizerdig is your friesnd, so is traceroute13:23
jacekowskiinetnum: -
jacekowskinetname:        FI-BILIA13:23
jacekowskidescr:          Logica Finland Oy / Datacentre services13:23
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jacekowskithat's not akamai13:23
DocScrutinizermaybe it's only tmo? not sure, but sure Nokia has akamai13:24
D-Iivil_Work~wtf akamai13:24
infobotGee...  I don't know what akamai means...13:25
jacekowskiD-Iivil_Work: if you have problem with traffic from internet13:25
jacekowskiD-Iivil_Work: and you have loads of £££ to spent13:25
jacekowskiD-Iivil_Work: they are people you go to13:25
D-Iivil_WorkJust reading their web page.13:26
jacekowskibut not many people can afford akamai13:26
jacekowskithey have their own worldwide backbone network13:26
D-Iivil_WorkNo pricing on their website :P13:26
jacekowskiyou would have to sell your house13:26
jacekowskiand car13:26
jacekowskiand life13:26
jacekowskiand firstborn son13:27
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Corsachas transformed the chaos of the Internet into a predictable, scalable, and secure platform for business and entertainment.13:27
Corsactell that to 4chan13:27
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jacekowskibtw. i'm looking for decent music shop13:28
jacekowskiwithout drm13:28
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alteregojacekowski: bittorrent? :P13:28
jacekowskii'm not going to run torrent on my phone13:29
D-Iivil_Workjacekowski, house x2 = check, car = check, firstborn son (does daughter count also?) = check13:30
D-Iivil_WorkSo I might just afford the akamai :P13:30
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tybolltwhy have two houses?13:30
alteregoangry birds level pack 213:30
tybolltone for the missus one for the mistress?13:31
D-Iivil_Worktybollt, sorry, forgot. Actually own three of them.13:31
DocScrutinizerjacekowski: [DocScrutinizer] domain name pointer
tybolltone for the missus one for the mistress one for the gay lover?13:31
D-Iivil_Worktybollt, two is for rent and one is the one we're living in.13:31
tybolltfair enough - may I call you tycoon? :)13:31
D-Iivil_Worktybollt, but actually I own only 50% of those.13:31
D-Iivil_Workwell.. actually bank owns them pretty much :D13:31
tybolltthat's usually the case13:32
D-Iivil_Worktybollt, yep.13:32
jacekowskiDocScrutinizer: where did that came from?13:34
DocScrutinizeryou'd have to check the irclog to find out, can't remember anymore13:34
DocScrutinizerprolly traceroute13:35
D-Iivil_Workjacekowski, do I need to manually disable the rd-mode after flashing?13:35
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DocScrutinizerR&D mode for flashing? WTF?13:35
jacekowskihe was in reboot loop13:35
D-Iivil_WorkDocScrutinizer, I had to enable R&D mode when I was trying to get my device back running without flashing...13:36
DocScrutinizeraah k13:36
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jacekowskiD-Iivil_Work: do you get some additional pictures and some text when booting13:36
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D-Iivil_Workjacekowski, dunno. Haven't rebooted yet :D13:36
* DocScrutinizer wonders which weird magic makes dsme NOT bootloop when R&D13:36
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D-Iivil_Workjacekowski, still restoring my apps. Will reboot after it's done.13:37
D-Iivil_WorkDocScrutinizer, I was told to disable watchdog and some other stuff. That's why I enabled the R&D mode.13:37
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DocScrutinizerD-Iivil_Work: on a general note: yes, you need to reset R&D explicitly13:38
D-Iivil_WorkDocScrutinizer, thanks. That's all I wanted to know. I suppose it cannot be done via the device and flasher is needed?13:38
DocScrutinizerafaik correct13:39
alteregoweird, so ovi is setting file  names to download count13:39
D-Iivil_WorkThe reason I'm asking is that I might not be nearby computer at the time that restoring those apps is finished.13:39
jacekowskiD-Iivil_Work: you can disable rd-mode from phone13:40
D-Iivil_Workjacekowski, how?13:40
jacekowskiD-Iivil_Work: without a computer13:40
jacekowskithere was an app somewhere13:40
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jacekowskibut it's one of settings in cal13:40
DocScrutinizerAt least I tried with maemo generic flasher on N900, and it refused to do anything useful wrt R&D et al13:40
DocScrutinizerif only usb hostmode was working, you could probably use one N900 to flash/set_R&D/etc another N900 :-P13:42
jacekowskiwell, it looks like nolo can boot from usb13:43
DocScrutinizergetbootmode? setbootmode?13:44
Stskeepsjacekowski: naturally?13:44
Stskeepsjacekowski: it can load a kernel, initrd13:44
jacekowskinot that kind of usb boot13:46
jacekowskilike from mass storage device13:46
jacekowskibut thing is that it's not detecting usb host13:46
Stskeepsuhm, from mass storage device?13:46
Stskeepsmaybe the 770 was capable of that13:47
DocScrutinizerStskeeps: you know where and how R&D is actually changing the way upstart/dsme/whatever is booting up the device?13:47
StskeepsDocScrutinizer: mostly in init scripts an based on what getbootstate says13:47
Stskeepsor cal-tool13:47
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DocScrutinizercal-tool, aah thanks13:47
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jacekowskibme is reading r&d mode flags as well iirc13:48
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DocScrutinizerwould be interesting to know why13:51
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DocScrutinizerjacekowski: hmhmhm, seem to remember I did a grep across whole device for "cal-tool -u" "cal-tool --get-usb" and no hits13:54
MohammadAG51jacekowski, does your modified fmtxd ignore headphone checks?13:56
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pebHi folks, anyone have a good candidate for the N900 a la iTunes? Songbird seems to have changed into Jailbird, but no install-candidate (on the Linux/Ubuntu side). Need a good app that can handle podcasts / sync of them.14:00
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tobis87I'm using compcache on my n900 and I read that applying to the kernel would increase performance. But would a compiled kernel under scratchbox be still compatible with the kernel modules which are already on the n900? If so, could someone do this for me? Because I failed to install scratchbox on my old linux pc, I compiled compcache on the device with kernel-he14:01
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MohammadAG51X-Fade, ping14:05
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tobis87compcache-0.6.2 works fine with backing store set to /dev/mmcblk0p3, so I just wondered if it could perform even better.14:12
keriojacekowski: is your modified fmtxd available as a package?14:12
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kerioand will it work with fm-radio?14:12
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MohammadAG51kerio, fmtx =! fmrx14:18
tybollttx == rx -- of course everyone knows that!14:19
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MohammadAG51tybollt == troll14:19
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MohammadAG51everyone knows that too :P14:19
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tybolltMohammadAG51 == Captain obvious, everyone knows that :)14:21
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jacekowskikerio: no it's not14:24
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DocScrutinizer"=!" != "!="14:27
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PhonicUKanyone tried the VLC port?14:37
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MohammadAG51PhonicUK, has it progressed?14:38
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PhonicUKi saw something about it recently14:39
PhonicUKon one of the meego wikis14:39
PhonicUK/news sites14:39
PhonicUKwhich I now can't find14:39
PhonicUKfrom July 4th :\14:40
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DocScrutinizerweird - seems public bashing helps a lot. Wiki pretty fast this very moment14:44
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* DocScrutinizer wonders if Akamai has a module for gathering IRC complaints survey to autoconfig the load balancers14:46
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DocScrutinizerodds are the performance goes down the drain again, as soon as I revert the /topic :-D14:50
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alteregoAlmost 6k downloads, 0 donations :)14:55
Kegetysdonations dont make you rich14:56
alteregoI'd be happy with a pound to be honest.14:56
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achipaalterego: donations are difficult as they are disconnected from app handling... so you really-really have to want to donate to remember & do it on the desktop14:58
achipaeven superpopular apps like easy-debian have not made more than a round of beer...14:58
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cehtehmmhm ... while being at it .. is there meanwhile a usable email (imap) client for the n900?15:00
cehtehimap idle, notifications on certain folders only ...15:00
alteregoachipa: my button is in the settings ui, pretty obvious :)15:02
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achipaalterego: people are simply not used to it unless prodded, which is again bad for other reasons. Sad, but that's how it is15:03
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D-Iivil_Workalterego, so you didn't try to put the truth in your signature?15:15
D-Iivil_Workalterego, I mean the donations :-P15:15
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alteregoD-Iivil_Work: ?15:16
alteregowhat signature? :P15:16
D-Iivil_Workalterego, remember when we talked about adding the donation link to signature saying "send me money, I'm homeless and broke" :P15:16
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alteregoOh hah, no, I don't have any signature on tmo15:17
alteregoanyhow bbl15:17
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DocScrutinizeranybody a clue why description in  looks so utterly crappy (* is removed, linebreaks removed)? Is that a bug in the webpage CSS, or could I improve something in control file description text (e.g add any <tag>s)?15:17
aksheyFrom where can I get the demo version of JoikuSpot for N900 ?15:18
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DocScrutinizeroriginal description in control file: ""**61*<number>**<time-in-seconds,5,10,..,30># : set up redirect""  --  webpage (link above): ""*61*# : set up redirect"". :-/15:23
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DocScrutinizerwonder how easily you could iject rogue js code to the webpage this way :-(15:26
achipaDocScrutinizer: I think you're supposed to use a dot for new empty lines15:26
DocScrutinizerachipa: empty lines are my least problem15:26
achipaDocScrutinizer: also, * is a special char... though probably not in the case when used as there15:26
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nid0DocScrutinizer try it - just upload any software thatll build with a control file containing a js iframe or something, and see if/how it parses15:28
DocScrutinizerachipa: compare nice description in details in starhash-enabler in HAM to the illegible crap displayed on webpage15:28
achipaalterego: there was this idea that we should keep a common donations pool that would then be distributed as per download ratios15:28
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DocScrutinizerachipa: I suppose if I add special escapes and tags to correct webpage rendering, it will ruin display in ham15:29
achipaDocScrutinizer: don't bother with the web page... testers won't hold it against you :)15:29
DocScrutinizerof course I could use <br> instead of newline15:29
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DocScrutinizerachipa: anyway, you think it's a bug in webpage generating/processing/rendering then?15:31
achipaDocScrutinizer: prolly. Though as said, the description is not to specs either (newlines, line length, etc)15:33
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DocScrutinizerwhat are the specs then?15:33
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achipaDocScrutinizer: not <br>, you should put in a dot with a space in front15:33
DocScrutinizerwhere?? why?15:34
achipaDocScrutinizer: the debian packaging standard15:34
DocScrutinizerI got two lines like " --" ok could change these two lines to " ." if you think that's better15:34
achipaDocScrutinizer: instead of the --, because those are the deb format specs15:34
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achipait's not the question as to if it's better, the question is if you want to follow the Debian packaging guidelines or not :)15:35
DocScrutinizerbut honestly I don't see any spec forbidding a line like "--"15:35
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DocScrutinizermaybe it's something like email format? maybe I should make this "---" then?15:36
achipano... this is just... debian...15:37
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DocScrutinizerachipa: thanks a lot. helpful link :-)15:37
DocScrutinizerstill doesn't explain the frigging parsing/deletion of "*" and "<foo>"15:38
Corsac<> is present in the source15:40
Corsac|Some useful codes:15:40
Corsac| *</em>61<em><number></em>*<time-in-seconds,5,10,..,30># : set up redirect to <number> after <seconds> ringing15:40
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Corsac(which means <script> would likely work too, since the engine don't escape them)15:42
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DocScrutinizerthat's definitely wicked15:43
DocScrutinizerI gather <em> is something like escape-mode?15:45
DocScrutinizerCorsac: nice find15:46
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Corsacnot, it's emphasis15:47
DocScrutinizerooh, I see15:47
DocScrutinizerService Codes like <em>67# call redirect  -- first replacement of "*" by <em>. Then everything goes nuts after that15:48
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achipaDocScrutinizer: that's some midgard/wiki/whatever kicking in15:48
DocScrutinizerand <foo> fields are not escaped15:49
Corsacthat's because some BBcode or related will interpret * as bold sign15:49
Corsaclike *bold*15:49
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DocScrutinizerfriggin "lemme do that for you" BBcode shit15:49
DocScrutinizerI wonder if a <pre> </pre> bracket could maybe help15:50
DocScrutinizershould go to the CSS or whatever though15:50
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DocScrutinizer(webcoding noob here)15:51
Corsacwhat puzzles me is that it won't allow * to propagate to browser, but will gladly allow <>15:51
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DocScrutinizeranyay, form >>Those starting with two or more spaces. These will be displayed verbatim.<< Wonder if the engine doing that cruft will honor it15:53
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achipaa beer that it won't15:53
DocScrutinizerthanks :-)15:53
DocScrutinizeryeah, won't. most likely15:54
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DocScrutinizerwho's maintaining that particular webpage layout?15:54
DocScrutinizerand the BB(?) engine behind?15:55
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achipaNiels or Bergie15:56
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achipa(but that's just guess)15:56
steinexshould filetransfer work from gtalk transport?15:57
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steinexECHAN, sorry15:57
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DocScrutinizerquick fix: add correct unmangled description as a comment :-P15:57
bergieachipa: which site?15:57
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tybollthmm dualbooting into nitdroid15:58
tybolltCould be fun =)15:58
tybolltMohammadAG51: tried nitdroid`?15:59
achipabergie: some BB/midgard/wiki/etc code seeps into the package descriptions15:59
DocScrutinizerbergie: "" **61*<number>**<time-in-seconds,5,10,..,30># : set up redirect to <number> after <seconds> ringing"" renders as ""*61*# : set up redirect to  after  ringing""15:59
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bergiethis may be because they're rendered via Markdown16:01
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DocScrutinizerwonder how a text explaining html and BB tags would look like :-P16:01
DocScrutinizeror some embedded js code example16:01
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DocScrutinizerbergie: anyway as that's the description showing up verbatim in HAM, I can't use any escaping or whatever to format it nicely for the web. So probably the webpage layout and / or engine creating that should be fixed16:03
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DocScrutinizerthe way it looks right now is utterly disgusting16:04
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bergieDocScrutinizer: ok, that is an easy fix. Can you post a bug (and assign to Niels?)16:05
DocScrutinizermhm, guess you could share URL to trac to get me started right away?16:05
kirmafrankencamera seems pretty nifty (based on reading)16:06
keriodid someone make fcamera work with the kernel-power?16:06
bergieDocScrutinizer: use Maemo bugzilla, product Website16:06
kirmaI had been looking at different parts, starting from hardware and ending gstreamer to accomplish something similar, it's nice that someone actually worked out a reasonable framework for this kind of precise imaging control instead of what's achievably nicely through gstreamer...16:07
bergiethough the actual code is in
kirmakerio: I suppose it's being worked at...16:07
kerioi really cba to install a full toolchain16:07
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bergieDocScrutinizer: and the actual issue comes from
kirmaI especially like the possibility of 12 fps raw burst capability if it's really available on fcam as the paper suggests16:08
kirmaI mean, 12 fps at full resolution16:08
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DocScrutinizerbergie: I'll copy to ticket verbatim16:09
Corsackirma: I see single/burst of 4/best of 816:09
kirmaehm? what you mean?16:10
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DocScrutinizerbergie: I'll leave it to somebody more savvy to tag the right version, component, platform etc16:11
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Corsackirma: atm in fcam16:13
CorsacI can do single shots, burst of 4, or “best of 8”16:13
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kirmacorsac: I'd guess those are limitations of some specific application implemented on top of fcam, not the API itself (?)16:15
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kirmathose numbers are reasonably sane when considering the amount of memory a raw sensor image consumes16:16
kirmabut I'd hope they're not hardcoded limits16:16
SpeedEvilThe hardware may well have fundamental limits in the amount of RAM the functional unit can address easily16:17
SpeedEvilOr queue limitations that are not easily worked round16:17
SpeedEvilHowever - even a 20 frame burst is 100 meg.16:17
SpeedEvilthat is a hell of a lot of memory to preallocate16:18
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ShadowJKN810 would frequently blow up when I tried using mencoder to dump frames, until I realized mencoder was trying to allocate a v4l buffer :)16:20
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kirmawelll. I don't mean "burst" in the sense that it should absolutely, necessarily be scheduled and locked to memory at a start of a long burst... more "soft", best-effort attitude would be enough16:22
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kerioSpeedEvil: malloc(100*1024*1024)?16:22
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kirma"try to maintain sufficient amount of buffers and process them in sufficient speed after capture; return buffers to be reused by later images and hope maximum frame rate can be maintained by keeping pipeline non-empty"16:23
SpeedEvilkerio: Sure. But 20 frames is an indicative amount - you certainly can't do 50 this way16:23
DocScrutinizerbergie: niels@????16:23
kerioSpeedEvil: malloc(250*1024*1024)16:24
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DocScrutinizer[2010-07-23 15:05:06] <bergie> DocScrutinizer: ok, that is an easy fix. Can you post a bug (and assign to Niels?)16:25
DocScrutinizerbergie: niels@????16:25
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drizztbsdDocScrutinizer: bug, not mail16:25
DocScrutinizerdrizztbsd: thanks :-S16:26
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DocScrutinizerAssign To:  marcell.lengyel@nokia.com16:26
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SpeedEvilkerio: 5MP *50 runs out of RAM16:26
DocScrutinizermeh, I may not assign anyway, so screwit16:27
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kerioSpeedEvil: on a somewhat related note, i'm still somewhat disappointed by the lack of 512mb of ram16:27
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kerioi also like to say "somewhat"16:28
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kirmalack of 512MB of RAM stems firstly from the non-availability of 512MB RAM option on stacked-package options for the SoC at the time of design16:29
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SpeedEvilkerio: you can upgrade the RAM.16:29
SpeedEvilAll you need is a steady hand, and a gleam of insanity.16:29
kirmasecondly, probably, price and power usage16:29
DocScrutinizerguess it made its way anyway: sent to:..., ...16:29
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SpeedEvil(and probably a couple of dozen packages to test with)16:30
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TermanaSpeedEvil, please, provide instructions on TMO. That way, the trolls will do it, and then will go away because they won't have a device to complain about16:30
kirmaRAM is packaged on the same piece of plastic with OMAP3 and root filesystem flash of I'm not mistaken16:30
kerioSpeedEvil: i want 16GB of ram!16:30
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SpeedEvilkirma: It's not quite16:31
SpeedEvilkirma: the RAM chip is soldered to the top of the SoC with a high-temperature solder.16:31
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SpeedEvilkirma: This is then soldered to the PCB16:32
kirmaoh well, PoP16:32
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kirmabut for practical purposes... good luck replacing it16:32
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SpeedEvilyou can in rinciple unsolder the CPU, unsolder the POP, solder on a new RAM chip, or more wackily an adaptor board, and then resolder teh whole lot16:32
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SpeedEvilYou can also in principle upgrade to an 850MHz CPU this way too.16:33
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cehtehmhm .. ram upgrade .. \o/16:34
TermanaAlternatively you can solder an x86 motherboard to the front of your N900 - BAM! More CPU speed and RAM. And if you don't think thats any good, you can make it go faster than anything - simply throw it across the room!16:34
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TermanaAll this, for just 4 payments of $9.9516:34
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kerutei'm trying to install maemo on a beagleboard16:36
kerutefollowed a nice tutorial16:36
kerutebut when i boot, xorg crash with "Couldn't open compiled keymap file /var/cache/xkb/server-default.xkm"16:37
keruteanybody can help please ?16:37
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cehtehis that file there?16:38
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kerutecehteh, nope i dont know where to find it16:43
DocScrutinizerI notice it's Friday :-P16:43
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cehtehfriday is fryday :)16:44
DocScrutinizerwelcome to our ram extension BBQ16:44
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DocScrutinizeryou'll need a sledgehammer, a 500W laser, some nanites, and a pangalactic gargleblaster. And of course 30 minutes of spare time16:46
DocScrutinizerand next week we tell you what you can still do with the junk remaining16:47
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DocScrutinizerhere we go: 1. step: install power kernel, OC to 1.5GHz and wait till SoC falls off the PCB. If after 30 min no progress, use sledgehammer to help16:50
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DocScrutinizerstep 2: cut PoP into two thin slices with the laser16:51
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SpeedEvilThe above is in principle possible. However - in practice I would expect a yield of no better than 80% for a skilled operative experienced in doing the above procedure.16:52
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toggles_wDocScrutinizer: so I was thinking about overclocking my n900, what are your thoughts?16:52
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DocScrutinizerstep 3: place new 1GB ram slice on SoC slice, open glass with nanites and instruct them to connect the 978 solder points. Now it's time you have a sip of gargleblaster16:53
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DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: on OM we had yields of ~30% on such operations, but with much smaller BGA16:54
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DocScrutinizerand it's incredibly hard not to ruin the PBBA and components next to the rework16:56
GAN900I want some nanites.16:56
kerioshift+fn+z and shift+fn+x are the same for me now16:57
StskeepsGAN900: was your dell mini a gma500?16:57
achipageez... tell me that's not it or my (already non-existant) hopes for Ovi will be shattered...16:57
GAN900Stskeeps, 950?16:57
GAN900Mini 916:57
keriowhy does that happen?16:57
GAN900I don't think MeeGo supports it :rolleyes:16:57
GAN900So the MeeGo sticker I've got on it is kind of ironic.16:58
achipaa friggin comic, of all things16:58
kerio    key <AB01>  { [ z, Z, EuroSign, EuroSign ] };16:58
kerio    key <AB02>  { [ x, X, parenleft, bracketleft ] };16:58
keriotwo different things, ffs16:58
StskeepsGAN900: joggler with GMA500:
Stskeeps(worth a watch)16:58
Stskeepsfair enough16:58
Stskeepsbookmark for later16:58
GAN900(Damn Nokia and their anti-US practices)16:58
Stskeepsit's a video of a gma500 based device running netbook ux16:59
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Stskeepswithout obvious glitches16:59
keriocan someone replicate this, please?17:00
keriowhat do you get if you do shift+fn+z and shift+fn+x?17:00
DocScrutinizerkerio: (shift+fn+z and shift+fn+x are the same for me now) matrix fsckd up. hw flaw17:01
keriono way to fix i imagine17:01
keriook, screw shift+fn+z then17:01
pebKerio: shift+fn+z: phone application17:01
keriopeb: huh^17:01
pebKerio: shift+fn+x: contacts (all of them)17:01
keriousing weird macros?17:02
pebtiny fingers on the normal N900 (main) screen17:02
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DocScrutinizerkerio: Nokia, it their eternal wisdom, decided to have none of the spare 3 matrix GPIO connected to qualifier keys exclusively - rather leave them unused and place qualkeys in matrix like usual keys -> result 2 key rollover is best you can get working reliably17:03
SpeedEvilDocScrutinizer: 30% doesn't surprise17:03
keriofucking assholes :(17:03
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GAN900I love Nokia's hardware people17:03
GAN900It's always something.17:04
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kerioshift+fn+j/k is the same, again17:05
DocScrutinizerI considered to open a few hardware ticket on trac, but meh17:05
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keriohuh, these are the only shift+fn combos that don't work17:05
DocScrutinizerbelieve me there's quite a few more17:06
kerioi just tried17:06
DocScrutinizerwell esp with ctrl17:06
kerioheh, i bet ctrl+[ will not work well17:06
kerioctrl+fn+shift+x for me17:07
DocScrutinizerctl+sh, ctrl+Fn17:07
pebKerio, you made a map of all the shortcuts and the result?17:07
keriono, just shift+fn+key17:07
DocScrutinizerctrl+fn+shift+x should give you even 2 more phantom keys pressed17:08
kerioshift+fn+z/x is the same17:08
DocScrutinizerat very least17:08
kerioand so is shift+fn+j/k17:08
kerioother key combinations appear to work ok17:08
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DocScrutinizerkerio: check out schematics, page 7. if 2 keys are pressed same time, there's always a few other keys that can't be detected anymore17:10
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DocScrutinizerno more bat low warnings in PR1.2??17:15
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Stskeepseh? i get them all the time17:16
DocScrutinizer(or has bme recognized it's me and refuses to work for me? :-P)17:16
DocScrutinizernuttin here. Piouuuu blengbogglebleng -> device off17:17
DocScrutinizerno prior warning17:17
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DocScrutinizerhow to debug that now??17:19
* DocScrutinizer hates bme!!17:19
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DocScrutinizeror hal-addon-bme? or mce? or dsme? or batmeter? wtf *are* the building blocks and belts and gears creating these warning notifiers17:21
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DocScrutinizerguess I'll send in to Nokia for repair :-P17:22
SpeedEvilI get warning bleeps/bongs17:23
E0xi get notification when bat is low17:23
E0xin pr1.217:23
DocScrutinizerhmm, maybe that's related to the schroedinger state of charging, when connected to wallcharger but failed to detect?17:24
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DocScrutinizerk, it charged for maybe 20min now. Time to remove charger and watch it going down in "normal" situation17:25
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crashanddie_greetings, bitches17:42
ham5get cut17:42
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TermanaI see someone hasn't taken their pills today17:43
crashanddie_ham5: i love you too17:43
crashanddie_ham5: is that a nick to mock the technology show?17:43
ham5ugh no17:44
E0xfor exactly is the Advanced Geocaching Tool ?17:44
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E0xham5: what is geocacaching ?17:44
ham5google it17:44
crashanddie_Termana, hey, my pills are fine. They told me this morning17:45
DocScrutinizer~dict geocaching17:45
infobotcould not find definition for geocaching17:45
E0xGeocaching is a treasure hunting game where you use a GPS to hide and seek containers with other participants in the activity. ?17:45
DocScrutinizersurprise surprise17:45
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DocScrutinizerwanna see infobot lying?17:47
infobotSince Thu Jul 15 18:08:13 2010, there have been 90 modifications, 505 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 283 commands.  I have been awake for 7d 20h 38m 59s this session, and currently reference 0 factoids.  I'm using about 22340 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 19289.49/674.88 child 0/0.0217:47
ham5could we???17:47
DocScrutinizer0 morons - impossible!17:47
DocScrutinizero fsck. 0 factoids again17:48
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DocScrutinizer~nuke ibot17:49
DocScrutinizerthat's why I had the feeling she's gone :-/17:49
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crashanddie_you bore me17:50
DocScrutinizerlet's see if a reboot will do17:50
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TermanaAnyone know all the out-of-mainline kernel interfaces Maemo requires to boot? (eg. OMAP Boot Reason)17:51
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DocScrutinizernah, didn't help17:55
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TermanaDocScrutinizer, your face when you realised it didn't work ->
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DocScrutinizernot exactly18:07
DocScrutinizerI know how to kill infobot, but the 0-factoids issue probably lives in db backend, and that I can't restart18:07
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ham5device lock time18:32
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DocScrutinizer(bat low warnings) ok, confirmed. Get warnings on PR1.2 when just idling with no charger attached18:44
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Stskeepswell, you have been doing open bme work on it, right?18:44
DocScrutinizerodds are I won't achieve to hook up charger with detection failing raight now, so will postpone further investigations to another time when I get the detection failing18:45
DocScrutinizerStskeeps: right, but that shouldn't break normal operation of bme, at very least on a "freshly" booted system18:46
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DocScrutinizerdon't hope tests with stopping bme and starting some charging scripts will latch up over battery removal and boot18:48
DocScrutinizerStskeeps: it's more like those failed charger-detects leave half the system thinking it's on mains power and thus no batlow warning needed, while other half hasn't noticed it should start to charge battery now18:49
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DocScrutinizerStskeeps: after all it sounds sensible to suppress bat-low warnings during periods device is attached to USB-VBUS 5V18:50
DocScrutinizeryou'd be annoyed if device keeps warning you about low battery while it's already hooked up to charger (charging doesn't necessarily mean low bat voltage condition is cured instantly)18:52
DocScrutinizerand I came to the comnclusion charger-detect failure isn't a hardware issue but more something like a race condition that causes some d-bus msg or kevent or whatever going to nirvana instead of doing its thing18:54
Stskeepsnot impossile18:54
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SpeedEvilDocScrutinizer: i have considered submitting a bug report for 'insufficient power'...18:56
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SpeedEvilIt should really be touch-cancel18:56
DocScrutinizerso probably while physical charging isn't triggered due to that lost msg, the bat-low warning still detects /sys has info about VBUS-5V attached and thus isn't firing18:56
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Stskeeps'lo Milhouse18:56
Milhousebl00dy windows virus checker wanted a reboot. :)18:57
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DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: ack, plus actually insufficient-state needs a clearly distinguishable new icon for battery in systray18:57
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DocScrutinizermaybe the usual green move-upward changed to a red move-downward animation18:58
DocScrutinizeralso battery_full_but_would_charge needs a different icon than battery_full_and_draining18:59
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DocScrutinizerI gather the battery icon crap is closed, as usual?19:01
SpeedEvilI assume so19:01
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DocScrutinizeralso look at all the wasted real estate in system menu, to the right of the battery icon there. A natural place to add decent detailed info, like voltage, current, percentage numeric19:02
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ham5adding more load on the cpu19:03
GAN900DocScrutinizer, but then people might be overwhelmed.19:03
Stskeepsit should just show which things on your system take a lot of power.19:03
DocScrutinizerGAN900: OMG19:04
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DocScrutinizerGAN900: maybe Nokia could ship N900 with a 500-pack of Valium?19:04
tripzeroalarmd is open now no?19:04
StskeepsDocScrutinizer: there's already cocaine in the touchscreen19:04
DocScrutinizerhehehe, that explains a lot19:05
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SpeedEvilI would also like GPS to have more info, and wifi19:06
ham5wifi eye and gpsjini ?19:06
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DocScrutinizerhonestly, keeping the systray stuff closed is an issue19:07
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SpeedEvilfor example - 'connect to Mynet' -> Icon goes gray - searching ->Yellow - found AP -> Orange - negotiated encryption -> dark green -> obtained IP -> Bright green - ping a test site works19:07
SpeedEvilSame with GPS19:07
SpeedEvilchange colour, detecting a satellite, ...19:08
DocScrutinizeraiui you can add your own icons there (with limited functionality, like no animations allowed?), but there's no way to fix the genuine system stuff19:08
SpeedEvilAnd of course similarly with signal strengths of wifi19:08
luke-jranyone test my GPS-from-scratch suite yet? :P19:09
DocScrutinizerfor gps I thought it's halfway there19:09
SpeedEvilluke-jr: no19:09
SpeedEvilDocScrutinizer: not really19:09
SpeedEvilDocScrutinizer: It flashes before it has lock19:09
SpeedEvilDocScrutinizer: It does not indicate if it is not recieving a satellite signal at all19:09
DocScrutinizeraah yes, I see19:09
SpeedEvilYou will - in many conditions - get some satellite signal report - after a couple of seconds.19:09
SpeedEvilIf this does not happen - it means it will never lock as tehre is no signal19:10
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DocScrutinizerno sense in standing there like a fool, holding your device up in the air for minutes19:10
DocScrutinizerthe basic issue though is: why has all this to be closed?19:11
E0xthat remember me a Ep of Dragon ball , when Mr satan ask the ppl to raise they arm19:12
DocScrutinizerdifferentiation?? keeping up the crappy quality?19:12
E0xfor get a bit of Ki to build the genkidama19:12
ham5they worked hard on it ... its theirs.. and when you work hard on something its theirs too :)19:12
StskeepsDocScrutinizer: short story is that everything starts out as closed.. then it's opened up if anyone wants to take the discussion and effort19:12
DocScrutinizerStskeeps: *nod*19:12
SpeedEvilAnd it's sufficiently easy19:12
luke-jrStskeeps: and that's why Maemo fails; hopefully MeeGo will fix that core bug19:12
Stskeepsluke-jr: i hope so too.19:13
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Andy80how can I know which package contains ?19:13
E0xthe issue with the maemo and the n serie tables is that they make a Hardware that is "very" Open to mod but a very "closed" ( maybe no so now )19:13
E0xa least he very important part  closed19:13
DocScrutinizerAndy80: apt-cache search <sring>19:13
dunz0rHow is that coming along btw, with N900 and Meego?19:14
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luke-jrStskeeps: wanna test initcellmo for me?19:14
Stskeepsdunz0r: good, when we're not dealing with gcc bugs19:14
tripzeroStskeeps, is fixed now?19:15
Stskeepsluke-jr: sorry, on my weekend already, so no work19:15
Stskeepstripzero: it's making it's way through processes19:15
tripzeroahk.  the last comment on the bug report said [something] was working19:15
tripzerobut the bug is still "new"19:15
Andy80DocScrutinizer: no... it's not what I need. apt-cache searches only in packages name, not inside packages19:15
Stskeepsit's in devel:base, so that's first step19:15
SpeedEvilluke-jr: Is there a way to do this without booting a clean system? how can one remove phonet without watchdog kicking in19:15
dunz0rStskeeps: Great. Is there something I as a linux proffesional can do to help with development?19:15
DocScrutinizerAndy80: oops, sorry then. No idea19:16
luke-jrSpeedEvil: phonet and watchdog have no relation AFAIK19:16
dunz0rLike testing or building packages and what not.19:16
Stskeepsdunz0r: #meego-arm19:16
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Stskeepsdunz0r: and follow the work, i guess :)19:16
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luke-jrdunz0r: you do kernel development for a living?19:16
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SpeedEvilluke-jr: rmmod -f phonet triggers watchdog after some seconds19:16
luke-jrSpeedEvil: no, rmmod -f just crashes a system, period19:16
dunz0rluke-jr: Haha, no. I meant I work with server and the likes :)19:17
luke-jrSpeedEvil: removing the other module I mentioned should be sufficient..19:17
SpeedEvilluke-jr: no, it doesn't19:17
luke-jrdunz0r: that's not "Linux professional"!19:17
dunz0rluke-jr: Like sysadmining and stuff, and I know my unixes inside out.19:17
luke-jrdunz0r: that's "System administrator"19:17
SpeedEvilluke-jr: the system takes some seconds - about the same as the watchdog - to die.19:17
SpeedEvilluke-jr: ah - ok then19:17
luke-jrSpeedEvil: the system still is linking to the phonet code, which you just removed19:17
dunz0rluke-jr: I'm a professional, and I work with linux. Therefore, linux professional.19:17
luke-jrSpeedEvil: when it tries to call a function in it, it crashes :P19:18
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SpeedEvilI thought it diddn't uqite do that19:18
luke-jrdunz0r: Linux is a kernel. Professionals only should be caring about the kernel if they're kernel devs. :P19:18
SpeedEvilbut rewrote the call addresses so that any open calls to it oopsed19:18
luke-jrSpeedEvil: I'm simplifying19:18
dunz0rluke-jr: Ok, now you're just being picky.19:18
dunz0rUnix proffesional then :)19:18
luke-jrdunz0r: no, I'm just being hopeful to find more kernel guys :P19:19
dunz0rluke-jr: If my C skills weren't so rusty maybe :)19:19
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Andy80BUG! BUG!19:20
Andy80can someone please explain me why if I put: libqtm-multimedia in debian/control file, Extras Autobuilder replaces it with: libqt4-multimedia ?19:21
Bluewindwhere are apt-get's logs?19:21
Andy80this is my control file: and this is package's description
tripzeroAndy80, perhaps libqt4-multimedia "provides" libqtm-multimedia ?19:22
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tripzeroAndy80, is qtm even available in maemo ?19:25
Andy80I'm looking for it...19:26
Andy80both packages are available19:26
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Andy80tripzero: but libqt4-multimedia doesn't have
Andy80so it's not the same19:27
tripzeroprobably a bug in the package then19:27
* tripzero looks19:27
* luke-jr notes there isn't always a 1:1 correlation between source and binary packages19:28
luke-jrsome src pkgs output multiple binaries19:28
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Andy80tripzero: not in my package... I specified libqtm-multimedia (the right one) and Extras Builder automatically puts libqt4-multimedia...19:29
tripzeroAndy80, i mean in the libqt4-m package19:29
tripzeroif it claims to "provide" for a package that it really doesn't19:30
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Andy80ah ok..19:31
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Andy80btw... looking better here: in the list you can find libqtm-multimedia too.... and it's installed in my friend N900... so I don't understamd why he gets that error about that lib missing..19:32
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SpeedEvilluke-jr: Also - I can't seem to find the modest source19:33
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rlinfatiany idea how use the n800 ( or n900 ) as a touchpad device for pc running linux... similar to a draw tablet19:36
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tripzerorlinfati, bluemaemo?19:39
rlinfatinop.... work as mouse only19:39
tripzeroiirc, you can use the n900 as a input device mouse/keyboard for another machine19:39
tripzerowhat do you mean by touchpad if it's not another mouse-device?19:40
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rlinfatias a wacom bamboo19:41
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dunz0rIs the pager less available for maemo btw?19:43
dunz0rI can't find it anywhere.19:43
SpeedEvilapt-get install less19:43
SpeedEvilwith the right repos installed19:43
SpeedEviltry just extras19:43
dunz0rSpeedEvil: Ok, I think I have those, and have tried previously but trying again just to be sure.19:44
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SpeedEvilthe application manager does not show up some packages19:44
dunz0rI know.19:44
dunz0rDid apt-get install less and it says it can't find it.19:45
dunz0rI have extras and extras-devel iirc.19:45
infobotdunz0r meant: I have extras and extras-testing iirc.19:46
dunz0rExactly :)19:46
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ShadowJKsdk tools repo19:47
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dunz0rShadowJK: Thanks.19:47
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Bluewindhow can I get a list of packages I upgraded before the last reboot? (apt-get)19:58
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SpeedEvil - interesting20:00
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DocScrutinizersorry for asking here, but are the 3 (5 incl blank) lines in debian/changelog supposed to be edited, or new lines for a new version appended, for version change of a package?20:37
slonopotamusDocScrutinizer: you never edit what's published. you only create new versions.20:38
DocScrutinizerthat means copy the 5 lines, append, edit for new version?20:38
DocScrutinizer(like the name changelog of the file suggests :-P)20:40
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achipathere is actually a dh_<tab><tab> command for that20:41
slonopotamusDocScrutinizer: you want dch -i or smth20:42
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h4xordoodheya :)20:42
DocScrutinizerhmm, I'll try editing anyway20:42
slonopotamusDocScrutinizer: try dch. it autoappends everything but changes text.20:43
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DocScrutinizeris it interactive?20:43
achipaDocScrutinizer: yeah, it's too easy to mess up a date or smth and the the autobuilder will barf20:43
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achipadepends on your definition of interactive ;)20:43
slonopotamusDocScrutinizer: it will launch $EDITOR20:44
slonopotamusDocScrutinizer: heck, just run dch -i !20:44
ioanHi. I bought angry birds level pack 2 from ovi and installed. where do I find the deb on the phone to save it for later use?20:44
slonopotamusioan: you don't :) that's insecure20:45
slonopotamusioan: you might go and give it to everyone around20:45
ioanI have the last level pack saved20:45
ioanyeah right20:45
h4xordoodhey from where i can get maemo firmware20:45
ioananyone knows?20:46
h4xordoodfor e.g i try meego and fail20:46 -> h4xordood20:46
h4xordoodand then i want back maemo on n90020:46
slonopotamusioan: there's no _official_ way of saving it, i think20:46
h4xordoodcan i do that ? or phone will be bricked ?20:46
ioananyone knows where the browser saves the debs before calling the app manager?20:46
slonopotamusioan: /tmp?20:46
h4xordoodioan, firefox20:46
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slonopotamusDocScrutinizer: you tried dch? :)20:48
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h4xordoodStskeeps, thanks :)20:50
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* luke-jr ponders making a self-contained kernel+initcellmo+gps blob so people can test easier?20:52
DocScrutinizerslonopotamus: yes, thanks20:52
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kW_Hello, does anybody know how exactly osso-camera-ui determines the filenames of the images to be stored?20:52
slonopotamus_DocScrutinizer: if you answered anything, i didn't receive it :P20:53
ioanso the only solution for me is to find the deb somewhere on the internet and then save it? :-) I mean that is not stealing, I already paid for it and it's mine20:53
luke-jrkW_: pretty sure osso-camera-ui is obsolete now20:54
DocScrutinizerslonopotamus: yes, thanks20:54
DocScrutinizerslonopotamus: yes, thanks20:54
DocScrutinizerslonopotamus: yes, thanks20:54
slonopotamus_ioan: it isn't yours :) when smth is yours you can do anything you want with it20:54
luke-jrslonopotamus_: he has a license20:54
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luke-jrslonopotamus_: Fair Use gives him the right to keep a backup20:54
slonopotamus_luke-jr: yeah, (in some countries)20:55
slonopotamus_luke-jr: but Fair Use doesn't force seller to provide easy ways of doing a backup20:55
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h4xordoodhow can i know which maemo release is installed on my phone ?20:56
slonopotamusDocScrutinizer: to be honest, changelogs are crap. VCS are much better20:57
luke-jrslonopotamus: apples and oranges20:57
kW_luke-jr: oh, so which app actually takes the photos?20:57
luke-jrkW_: fcamera20:57
slonopotamusluke-jr: wrong.20:57
luke-jrslonopotamus: NO U20:58
h4xordoodah okay got that :)20:58
kW_juergbi: does fcamera implement all features of osso-camera-ui?20:59
slonopotamusluke-jr: at least i knew how to handle them :D20:59
infobotslonopotamus meant: luke-jr: at least i knew how to handle them :P21:00
slonopotamus:D :P21:00
kW_luke-jr: does fcamera implement all features of osso-camera-ui?21:00
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luke-jrkW_: nfc21:02
luke-jrnever used it21:02
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kW_luke-jr: now, having fcamera installed, when opening the camera lid, I just get a "operation failed" message21:03
luke-jrkW_: I hear you need to reboot21:03
kW_luke-jr: I did21:04
luke-jrkW_: you have PR 1.2, right?21:04
luke-jroh well21:05
luke-jrsucks to be you21:05
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luke-jrkW_: that's "works for me", except it didn't work for me21:05
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kW_luke-jr: so it also does not work for you?21:07
luke-jrno, but I use a custom kernel21:07
luke-jrwhich is presumably not compatible with the binpkg21:07
trumeeNokia N900 sucks even on freeswitch21:07
luke-jrtrumee: todl you21:07
trumeeluke-jr: i called the voice mail box and get jitters even there21:08
luke-jrtrumee: sounds like your network is at fault21:08
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ShadowJKfcamera is more of a sample app isn't it21:08
trumeeluke-jr: i am still setting it up, but the initial impression isnt good21:08
ShadowJKenormousl useful for photographists though21:08
ShadowJKmore so than the default camera app21:08
trumeeluke-jr: i turned wlan power saving off but that didnt help21:09
DocScrutinizermeh, *#-0.2 version is like 0.121:09
trumeeluke-jr: what do you mean my network is a fault. i dont know how to correct it?21:09
luke-jrtrumee: mtr shows no issues?21:09
DocScrutinizerand still says "missing bugtracker link"21:09
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trumeeluke-jr: how i check with that?21:10
luke-jrhostA> mtr hostB21:10
luke-jrdisclaimer: everything I say assumes you're running Gentoo21:10
trumeeluke-jr: yup, i use gentoo :)21:10
luke-jron your N90021:10
trumeeluke-jr: i wish so.21:11
luke-jrtrumee: don't. every other WM sucks21:11
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luke-jrand AFAIK the Maemo5 one isn't in Portage yet21:11
luke-jrKDE just isn't designed well for fingers :(21:11
ioananyone using the silicon case for n900? is it any good?21:11
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ShadowJK"the silocon case"21:12
ShadowJKum, silicon..21:12
trumeeluke-jr: i like portage more than i like apt21:12
ShadowJKI only knew of cp32121:12
GAN900ShadowJK, new compound.21:12
ShadowJKis that a brand?21:12
trumeeluke-jr: so where do i get mtr for N900?21:12
luke-jrtrumee: you're welcome to join me in my Gentoo port21:12
luke-jrtrumee: like I said, everything I say assumes you're running Gentoo on N90021:12
trumeeluke-jr: you have a Gentoo port!!21:12
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luke-jrnot very well documented yet21:13
* luke-jr wonders if the Gentoo overlay guys ever added it to the main layman list21:13
trumeeluke-jr: hmm. where is it hosted?21:13
luke-jrjust has overlay, kernel, and binpkgs for now21:14
luke-jrplease don't sue me for not hosting a source mirror21:14
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trumeeluke-jr: i need a memory card for this i guess?21:14
luke-jrtrumee: or partition the internal eMMC21:15
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trumeeluke-jr: hmm. i will keep the eMMC as it is. is there a lilo for N900?21:15
DocScrutinizeris it normal for to show the description of prev pkg version, when pkg is built but not yet imported?21:15
luke-jrLILO has been obsolete for decades21:15
keriotrumee: bootmenu-n90021:16
trumeeluke-jr: how do you multiboot21:16
luke-jrapt-get install bootmenu-n90021:16
luke-jror something like that21:16
trumeeluke-jr: i see.21:16
kerioopens up if you keep the kbd slide open21:16
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kerioon boot time21:16
trumeeluke-jr: could you create a binary for ekiga21:16
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luke-jrtrumee: ...no21:17
luke-jrI have no intention of installing GTK21:17
trumeeluke-jr: i need an alternative sip client21:17
luke-jrAsterisk? <.<21:17
trumeeluke-jr: sip client, not a sip server!21:17
luke-jrAsterisk has a Console device!21:18
trumeeluke-jr: QuteCom sounds interesting21:18
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luke-jrtrumee: maybe try the Telepathy-Qt4 sample client ;)21:18
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trumeeluke-jr: i am sick of telepathy21:19
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trumeeluke-jr: i need something which N900 doesnt use.21:20
kakashi_I think I have a small issue21:20
luke-jrQuteCom then21:20
kakashi_I have the latest firmware21:20
trumeeluke-jr: so is Qutecom based on qt?21:20
kakashi_but I don't have skype21:20
luke-jrkakashi_: Skype isn't an application, it's a protocol for the Phone app21:20
trumeeluke-jr: Qutecom isnt in portage?21:21
luke-jrit is... I think21:21
luke-jrtrumee: btw, an alternate option to eMMC or SD is (what I did): eMMC for root, SD for swap+/var/tmp21:21
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kakashi_luke-jr, how do i add the protocol to the Phone App?21:22
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luke-jrkakashi_: Accounts21:22
trumeeluke-jr: my emmc is full of music atm21:22
luke-jrtrumee: o lol21:22
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kakashi_luke-jr, accounts doesn't show skype as a valid protocol21:22
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luke-jrSkype sucks21:22
kakashi_well, it might, but I have an account and loads of contacts21:23
luke-jrI'd suggest telling them all to use something standard21:23
luke-jrbut nothing standard really works21:23
luke-jrof course, neither does Skype...21:23
kakashi_well, says go to and search21:24
kakashi_and ovi doesn't list skype21:24
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trumeeluke-jr: qutecom depends on pidgin why?21:25
luke-jrbecause Gentoo devs are retarded21:25
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kakashi_btw, does fring support skype? I know about the debate and the fight, but I am not sure of the outcome21:25
luke-jrwtf is fring21:26
trumeeluke-jr: soomebody in #freeswitch suggests i need to disable preemption in ketnel21:26
trumee *kernel21:26
luke-jrtrumee: somebody in #freeswitch sounds stupid, but don't tell them i said that21:27
kakashi_baah! fring says "Skype" banned21:27
trumeeluke-jr: why do you think so? couldnt this be cpu load related21:27
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DocScrutinizermeh, FAIL! hit F5 on -> same comment sent again :-S21:28
luke-jrtrumee: I'm assuming you're following common sense consensus and don't have anything else running on your phone PBX21:28
trumeeluke-jr: yes. nothing running in the foreground21:28
DocScrutinizerbut then who cares21:28
luke-jrtrumee: well, if there's nothing competing for CPU time...21:29
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trumeeluke-jr: so if i install asterisk on N900 and connect N900 sip client to it, you reckon that will better?21:29
h4xordoodhey tell me if i native install mee go on n900 and couldnt succed then i can get back my maemo working ?21:29
h4xordoodyes ?21:29
luke-jrI meant configure asterisk to *be* a client21:29
kerioh4xordood: depends on where21:29
luke-jrh4xordood: you get to pick up the pieces21:29
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trumeeluke-jr: yes, but that way i will loose the sip integration of N90021:30
h4xordooddidnt understand21:30
luke-jrtrumee: N900 SIP client works fine, anyway21:30
luke-jrtrumee: the problem is on your network or PBX21:30
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DocScrutinizerfunny thing though: update to 0.2 is already available via extras-devel, and webpage still doesn't know about neither new description, nor bugtracker link or l  "Package imported"21:30
trumeeluke-jr: hmm.21:31
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luke-jrh4xordood: if MeeGo causes your N900 to explode or impregnate your daughter, you can't undo it21:31
h4xordoodi meant i can again install maemo from firmware21:31
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toggles_wluke-jr: apt-get purge ?21:31
trumeeluke-jr: i can always try trixbox or something from the dvd21:32
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zogg_laptopjust found out while on phone u can't save number using dialpad - have to use separete window =(21:38
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luke-jrtrumee: anyhow, Qutecom has *optional* support for libpidgin for text IM only21:39
luke-jrtrumee: its core is SIP with non-standard video support21:39
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trumeeluke-jr: i am installing it on my gentoo box21:40
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trumeeluke-jr: i did have a go at wengo long time ago21:40
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trumeeluke-jr: you plan to create binary of that?/21:41
luke-jrtrumee: Qutecom is the former Wengophone21:41
luke-jrWengo stopped sponsoring21:41
kW_Hello, does anybody know how exactly osso-camera-ui determines the filenames of the images to be stored?21:41
kW_luke-jr: (as fcam is not usable, I have to restate the question)21:41
SpeedEvilI would start off by hitting it with strace21:41
SpeedEvilA couple of hardcoded paths would not surprise me at all21:42
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kW_SpeedEvil: well, I've been already using strace extensively21:42
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kW_SpeedEvil: when switching the camera lid, the camera app starts and says "Memory not accessible. Unable to save content."21:43
kW_SpeedEvil: however, strace does not reveal even access attempts21:44
tripzerodoes maemo have mediatomb yet?21:45
SpeedEvilkW_: You can also save to mmc21:45
kW_SpeedEvil: well, I don't have a MMC inserted (yet)21:46
SpeedEvilkW_: Does ...21:46
SpeedEvil /home/user/MyDocs/DCIM/ exist?21:46
SpeedEvilAnd is writable?21:46
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SpeedEvilIF you have the filessytem mounted as mass storage from USB, you can't take pictures to it.21:46
ioanwhere are the transitions kept?21:47
kakashi_this seems to be weird, when I tried "apt-get install skype-ui-l10n-enus"21:48
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kW_SpeedEvil: note that I have much more space than usual on  /home/user/MyDocs/DCIM/21:48
kW_SpeedEvil: (have a look at again)21:50
kW_SpeedEvil: by using the internal flash as root filesystem21:50
trumeeluke-jr: how big a SD card do i need for your gentoo port?21:50
luke-jrtrumee: I would suggest at least 8 GB21:51
luke-jrmy eMMC partition is 10 GB21:51
luke-jrmy N810's MicroSD is 8 GB21:51
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kakashi__uh! got myself disconnected21:52
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DocScrutinizerRST38h: baaaaaah21:54
kakashi__when I tried "apt-get install skype-ui-l10n-enus" it says skype-ui-l10n-enus has already been installed, while I can't see it anywhere in the accounts.21:55
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SpeedEvilkW_: ah21:57
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SpeedEvilkW_: But it's not.21:57
kW_uh... did anybody of you try to reverse engineer closed-source N900 binaries?21:58
kW_SpeedEvil: but what is not?21:58
SpeedEvilkW_: The normal size of MyDocs is about 28G or so21:58
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kakashi__can I manually add skype onto the accounts?21:58
kW_SpeedEvil: ah well, you are right... I mean I have a very wide root filesystem, and the images are supposed to be stored just on the root filesystem21:58
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SpeedEvilIt's probably explicitly checking for /home being mounted.21:59
SpeedEvilThis is failing21:59
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kW_SpeedEvil: well... /home is just need to complain...22:00
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kakashi__is there any other way of using skype? (some sip way?)22:05
SpeedEvilkW_: sure.22:05
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SpeedEvilkW_: But in normal use - if /home/user/MyDocs is not mounted - that means that the camera cannot write to the fs, as it's been unmounted.22:05
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kW_SpeedEvil: well, I could create a separate ext3 filesystem and mount it over /home/user/MyDocs just for the purpose of having mounted something there...22:07
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SpeedEvilI'd try that22:07
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SpeedEvilit may also be looking for /dev/mmcn in /proc/mounts or something stupid22:08
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kW_SpeedEvil: well, having a "intermediate partition" between / and /home/user/MyDocs/RealMyDocs mounted on /home/user/MyDocs with just 20MB space and nothing more than symlinks in it actually seems to make the camera application happy...22:21
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kW_(I just created the intermediate partition as a loopback filesystem...)22:22
SpeedEvil(well - in principle - :( in terms of closed software)22:22
kW_so, now I need to achieve the next step: have a path from the UI to access the full root filesystem hierarchy22:23
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kW_Does anybody know which service within the N900 is responsible for indexing image files, sound files, video files?23:06
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kW_kerio: and how can I make trackerd just throw away its index and reindex everything?23:07
kerionot sure23:08
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keriothere's a way though23:08
D-IivilThere was an application for it.23:09
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D-Iivil(and also the command line command)23:09
kW_hmm... and a related question: does trackerd follow symlinks?23:10
D-IivilkW_, tracker-cfg is the application you want.23:10
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kW_D-Iivil: well, this app is not part of the package tracker-utils23:11
kW_(it does not seem to exist on my N900)23:11
D-IivilkW_, ?23:11
D-IivilkW_, noup. Install it from repos.23:11
D-IivilIt's a 3rd party program for tracker configuration.23:12
* alteregoa eats a fnord23:13
D-Iivil~wtf fnord23:14
infobotGee...  I don't know what fnord means...23:14
kW_D-Iivil: thank you... tracker-cfg seems to be a UI for /home/user/.config/tracker/tracker.cfg essentially, but it also has a "Rebuil databases" option :-)23:14
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D-IivilkW_, yep. That's what it is, and no problem :)23:15
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DocScrutinizercould we make sanity check on maemo builder require a mandatory XB-Maemo-Upgrade-Description changelog, for pkg version updates?23:16
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D-IivilDocScrutinizer, sorry for a dumb question, but what would that be for?23:18
DocScrutinizerHAM showing the info in this field instead of "Description:" field, if you *update* a package23:18
DocScrutinizerso it's basically the long missed allegedly nonexisting changelog feature in HAM23:19
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D-IivilDocScrutinizer, hmmm... why not just automatically take that from changelog -file and put it in that field during import to devel?23:20
DocScrutinizerI.E. HAM can do that, but pkg maintainers largely ignore it23:20
D-Iivilautomaticly... fuck my english :D23:20
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DocScrutinizerwell, that's the very least, yes23:20
D-IivilDocScrutinizer, no wonder. It's the first time I heard about it.23:20
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kerioDocScrutinizer: HAM FTL APT-GET FTW23:21
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D-IivilDocScrutinizer, for a developer it seems like stupid extra work to fill in the same info twice and editing the control file on every update.23:22
DocScrutinizera tailored-to-fit changelog description in Maemo-Upgrade-Description would for sure better meet everybody's needs than copying the terse one line in debian/changelog though23:22
DocScrutinizerD-Iivil: (seems like) that's why I asked for making it mandatory, by rules check in builder23:23
DocScrutinizerdevelopers think of a lot of things to be stupid extra useless23:24
DocScrutinizerhell you wouldn't even get decent manpages, if... wait we don't get manpages :-P23:24
D-IivilDocScrutinizer, lol :D But since you're already writing the "what's changed" info to changelog -file I can't see why it cannot be automaticly taken from there.23:25
DocScrutinizerit can, but the changelog file suggests one terse line23:25
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DocScrutinizerwhile usually you'd want to elaborate and be more verbose, when designing a text for endusers23:26
DocScrutinizersee it as a great opportunity to advertise new features in your pkg to endusers23:27
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D-IivilDocScrutinizer, I think the format of changelog is just perfect. It's more readable than a bible telling the same thing with more words...23:27
luke-jrhmm this is new23:27
luke-jrthe chat crashes if I try to turn on Camera23:27
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DocScrutinizerthe CHAT??23:28
kerioi don't always get the camera-ui on camera lid open23:28
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D-IivilBut anyways, if there was a vote for this I would vote no to make it mandatory to fill / edit the extra-field on control file....23:28
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luke-jrMirror app fails too :p23:29
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DocScrutinizerD-Iivil: I hope some guys from Nokia QA and general design are listening. Then maybe there will be no vote23:30
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kerioDocScrutinizer: there's an additional button to "remap", btw23:31
keriobattery cover open/close23:31
kerio(how is that detected, btw?)23:31
DocScrutinizerhonestly, if there were a vote, 95% would vote to kill HAM and do apt-get install in xterm23:31
D-IivilDocScrutinizer, maybe Nokia SHOULD listen the actual users more often and put up polls...23:31
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DocScrutinizerkerio: battery cover is detected by a hall sensor sensing the stand magnet in cover23:33
keriothat's... brilliant23:33
* kerio is in awe23:33
DocScrutinizerthe lens slider works by proximity sensor alike refective IR sensor23:33
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DocScrutinizerkbd slider also is a magnet23:34
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DrGrovWhat is in the new Ovi update that I see today? Anyone know?23:40
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DrGrovI have confirmed that N900 can stand a fall from 1 meter without any scratches what so ever23:40
kerutehi, i followed
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luke-jronto pavement?23:41
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keruteand i get "[xkb] Can't rename /tmp/fileuPn1iZ to /var/cache/xkb/server-23C8F01A6FD67D4AC5B24BE983A88846620BED05.xkm, error: No such file or directory"23:41
DrGrovluke-jr: no, just on a rock hard wooden floor23:41
kerutei checked the rights23:41
ds3now, can you confirm if it is indeed the case at 2 meters?23:41
luke-jrds3: he's playing n900fly of course23:42
kerutebut i cant find any file named xkm or xkeyboard-config23:42
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luke-jr2 metres is the next level23:42
luke-jr(or did you actually mean [tonal] meters?)23:42
keruteanybody knows how i can add a package after I generated the rootfs using makerootfs ?23:42
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ds3I mean about 39 inches23:42
luke-jrwhy not just say 3 feet then23:43
keriowhy not just say one meter?23:43
luke-jrbecause a meter is more like 6 inches23:43
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DrGrovluke-jr: i mean 1 meter23:44
luke-jralmost ra meters23:44
luke-jrDrGrov: 1 meter is only 6 inches though23:45
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DrGrovluke-jr: 1 inch for us is 2,5 centimeters23:46
luke-jrDrGrov: you mean centimetres?23:46
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DrGrovluke-jr: yes, 1 inch = 1 cm23:46
luke-jrin which case, better to use inches and feet :)23:46
luke-jrmetres are just lame23:46
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villagerI guess he means 1 inch = 2.54 cm23:47
luke-jra meterton is almost a cm :)23:48
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villagernow I just wonder if luke is being dense on purpose... 1 meter would be 39 inches, not 6 inches, regardless of lameness...23:49
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luke-jr39 inches = 1 metre = almost 7 meters23:50
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ds31inch is 25.4mm23:50
luke-jr1 meter = ~5.87 inches = ~0.49 feet = ~14.9 centimetres = ~1.49 decimetres23:51
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luke-jr1 meter = ~0.15 metres23:51
villagermeter and metre are different spellings of the same word (us english vs british english)23:52
luke-jrdifferent units23:53
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wolf^  meter23:54
wolf^       n 1: the basic unit of length adopted under the Systeme23:54
wolf^            International d'Unites (approximately 1.094 yards) [syn:23:54
wolf^             metre, m]23:54
luke-jrwolf^: your dictionary fails23:54
toggles_wlj: did i see you talking about decoding the gps?23:54
luke-jrtoggles_w: working23:54
toggles_wyou have it working?23:54
villagerlove it when someone takes upon themselves to redefine well-known words to mean something else than everyone else means by it...23:54
luke-jrtoggles_w: yes23:54
toggles_wor working on it?23:54
toggles_wcan you talk to it? or only through nokia blob?23:54
luke-jrvillager: love it when idiots misspell words in a way that means other preexisting words23:55
luke-jrtoggles_w: no blobs at all23:55
luke-jrtoggles_w: everything but altitude23:55
toggles_wluke-jr: you are the man23:55
toggles_woh.. crap..23:55
luke-jrwell, altitude too, but don't know units23:55
luke-jrwanna figure out units? :P23:55
toggles_woh.. got a test program?23:55
toggles_wI'll take it flying tomorrow and tell you23:55
luke-jrone of which is a blob :P23:55
luke-jrI take back "no blobs at all", I forgot that part23:56
villagerluke-jr: me too23:56
luke-jrvillager: metre and meter are two different competing units23:56
toggles_woh, there are blobs?23:56
luke-jrvillager: popular idiots misspelling metre shouldn't force meter to get a new word23:56
luke-jrtoggles_w: sortof23:56
luke-jrtoggles_w: I have C code that I don't understand for one of them23:56
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toggles_wthen it's not a blob ;-)23:57
luke-jrtoggles_w: I'm not willing to post it because it almost certainly contains private info in the comments23:57
toggles_wjust to you23:57
luke-jrit's a blob to me23:57
villagerluke-jr: so, according to whom is it that every single dictionary in the world is wrong?23:57
luke-jrbecause I don't understand it23:57
luke-jrmostly it's a bunch of incomprehensible char arrays23:57
ds3regardless of what the dictionaries say... I am refering to the unit that short french dude pushed23:57
luke-jrvillager: the original definition of 'meter', see
luke-jrds3: that's a metre23:57
luke-jrand metres are lame23:58
ds3I couldn't care what it is called23:58
ds3all my measurements are in inches23:58
ds3anything else is a translation.23:59
luke-jrall my measurements are in meters or metertons, but I have to translate for computer programs :(23:59
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