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| luke-jr | uhoh | 00:35 |
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| luke-jr | I think I broke my cellmo | 00:35 |
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| kerio | luke-jr: that's a pretty big "uhoh" | 00:39 |
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| luke-jr | XD | 00:39 |
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| trem | nite all, sweet dreams | 00:44 |
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| smhar | is there a way -yet- to create custom groups for contacts? | 00:45 |
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| teilzeitstudent | smhar, "My Contacts" allows to group contacts... but has a fixed set of groups. Guess thats not what you mean? | 00:47 |
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| smhar | currently I can only see 3 groups, ovi, skype, and the general from the sim card | 00:49 |
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| teilzeitstudent | those are the ones created by the default contact manager... I was talking about an alternative for it. It creates 5 groups (like.. family, friends, vip, etc). | 00:50 |
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| teilzeitstudent | lemme look for a link.. | 00:50 |
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| teilzeitstudent | smhar, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=57162 | 00:53 |
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| smhar | will check that. thanks teilzeitstudent | 00:53 |
| teilzeitstudent | it also allows for custom ringtones for each group. Though I just noticed an alternative for that in devel | 00:54 |
| teilzeitstudent | np. | 00:54 |
| teilzeitstudent | So anyway... is there a way to get notifications if there is a new package in a repo? The RSS feed on the website includes updated packages as well | 00:56 |
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| luke-jr | http://luke.dashjr.org/tmp/code/gps.c | 00:59 |
| luke-jr | who wants to play guinea pig? | 00:59 |
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| luke-jr | SpeedEvil: DocScrutinizer alterego | 00:59 |
| lcuk | luke-jr, didnt you just say something about breaking your cellmo | 01:00 |
| lcuk | and now you want us to test code you wrote :P | 01:00 |
| luke-jr | lcuk: reboot fixed it :) | 01:00 |
| luke-jr | I also added some theoretical cleanup to it | 01:00 |
| luke-jr | haven't had the problem since | 01:00 |
| luke-jr | and I've run it at least 10 times in progress of making it | 01:01 |
| luke-jr | worst case, tho, reboot | 01:01 |
| luke-jr | actually, worst case who knows | 01:01 |
| luke-jr | but I onyl had to reboot | 01:01 |
| luke-jr | I recommend not trying to run it while Maemo is usign GPS :) | 01:01 |
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| lcuk | what does it do | 01:02 |
| luke-jr | it basically dumps all the GPS info that location-daemon normally gives you | 01:02 |
| luke-jr | to stdout | 01:02 |
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| SpeedEvil | luke-jr: | 01:04 |
| SpeedEvil | oj | 01:04 |
| SpeedEvil | oh | 01:04 |
| SpeedEvil | luke-jr: what's that do? | 01:04 |
| luke-jr | [17:02:23] <luke-jr> it basically dumps all the GPS info that location-daemon normally gives you to stdout | 01:05 |
| luke-jr | except it talks directly to cellmo | 01:05 |
| SpeedEvil | luke-jr: What do I need to do | 01:05 |
| luke-jr | compile & run\ | 01:05 |
| SpeedEvil | In file included from gps.c:9: | 01:07 |
| SpeedEvil | /usr/include/linux/phonet.h:50: error: expected specifier-qualifier-list before â__u8â | 01:07 |
| SpeedEvil | hmm | 01:07 |
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| luke-jr | O.o | 01:08 |
| jacekowski | how are you communicating with cellmo? | 01:08 |
| jacekowski | libisi? | 01:08 |
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| SpeedEvil | I should probably not do this stuff when very tired, I'm gonna look stupid. | 01:08 |
| luke-jr | jacekowski: socket, bind | 01:09 |
| luke-jr | recv, sendto | 01:09 |
| luke-jr | SpeedEvil: binary at http://luke.dashjr.org/tmp/code/gps | 01:09 |
| luke-jr | jacekowski: no dependencies other than Linux and C :) | 01:10 |
| luke-jr | jacekowski: (you could have read the code... :P) | 01:10 |
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| jacekowski | i don't see a link in my irc window | 01:11 |
| jacekowski | and it's too late for me to bother to read backlog | 01:11 |
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| jacekowski | found it | 01:12 |
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| SpeedEvil | luke-jr: I tried compiling it with gcc on device that's worked for kernel, openssl, ... anyway | 01:12 |
| SpeedEvil | Read 20 bytes | 01:12 |
| SpeedEvil | Date: 0000-00-00 | 01:12 |
| SpeedEvil | repeatedly, after startup with no gps signal | 01:12 |
| SpeedEvil | do I need to start an app that uses GPS? | 01:12 |
| luke-jr | no | 01:13 |
| luke-jr | just wait | 01:13 |
| luke-jr | GPS needs to get a fix | 01:13 |
| SpeedEvil | naah | 01:13 |
| SpeedEvil | I also need to get out of bed. | 01:13 |
| SpeedEvil | oh the huge manatee. | 01:13 |
| SpeedEvil | Read 56 bytes | 01:14 |
| SpeedEvil | Date: 0768-00-00 | 01:14 |
| SpeedEvil | Time: 03:02:00.001 (accuracy: 0) | 01:14 |
| SpeedEvil | Latitude : 0.033002 | 01:14 |
| SpeedEvil | Longitude: 0.005493 | 01:14 |
| SpeedEvil | eph: 540cm | 01:14 |
| SpeedEvil | Altitude: 0? (accurate to 0.000000?) | 01:14 |
| SpeedEvil | bogons | 01:14 |
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| jaem | 'Afternoon | 01:15 |
| SpeedEvil | I would have expected a lock in the location it's in by now | 01:16 |
| luke-jr | jaem: wanna be guinea pig? | 01:16 |
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| luke-jr | SpeedEvil: how's the sky? | 01:16 |
| jaem | luke-jr: If by "me", you mean my N810, sure. If you mean my N900, maybe. If you mean *me*, no. :P | 01:16 |
| SpeedEvil | luke-jr: rainy and dark | 01:16 |
| luke-jr | jaem: N900 :) | 01:16 |
| jaem | luke-jr: let me check my weather widget. | 01:16 |
| luke-jr | jaem: http://luke.dashjr.org/tmp/code/gps | 01:16 |
| jacekowski | i would check it as well | 01:16 |
| SpeedEvil | About 50% visible. | 01:16 |
| jacekowski | but i'm to lazy to move | 01:17 |
| luke-jr | append .c if you want source | 01:17 |
| luke-jr | be sure Maemo isn't using the GPS, then run that :P | 01:17 |
| jaem | luke-jr: I was kidding, although admittedly the phone was closer than the (open) door to The Outside | 01:17 |
| luke-jr | jaem: kidding? -.- | 01:18 |
| jaem | luke-jr: sure, I'll check it shortly | 01:18 |
| SpeedEvil | ok luke-jr. I have started gps-recorder-widget | 01:19 |
| SpeedEvil | And it has got lock, and I now get sane results | 01:19 |
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| SpeedEvil | http://pastebin.ca/1905601 | 01:21 |
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| jacekowski | how does agps work? | 01:22 |
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| jacekowski | i mean, do you have to push some data to gps using that phonet socket | 01:22 |
| jacekowski | or we don't know yet? | 01:22 |
| alterego | jacekowski: was about to ask the same thing ... | 01:23 |
| SpeedEvil | It would be awesome to find that out | 01:23 |
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| BCMM | is there a way to clear the cached images that show when an application is starting? | 01:23 |
| alterego | jacekowski: I presume so as agps data can come from wifi | 01:23 |
| jaem | luke-jr: I took a brief glance at the source, but what is this supposed to do, aside from print GPS info to the console? e.g. what is its purpose | 01:23 |
| SpeedEvil | jaem: it talks to the 'raw' GPS hardware | 01:23 |
| jaem | BCMM: yes, there's a .dotfolder in /home/user somewheres | 01:23 |
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| SpeedEvil | which isn't really very raw | 01:23 |
| BCMM | the app manager shows the previous theme for a few seconds | 01:23 |
| luke-jr | SpeedEvil: like I said, you need to be sure Maemo is *not* using GPS | 01:23 |
| jaem | SpeedEvil: Right, I read about that a bit. | 01:23 |
| alterego | jaem: it's standalone, it doesn't use lib location talks directly to the cellmo | 01:23 |
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| luke-jr | jacekowski: I didn't do any AGPS | 01:23 |
| jacekowski | thing is | 01:24 |
| jaem | alterego: I figured. Why, though? | 01:24 |
| jacekowski | that location-daemon | 01:24 |
| jacekowski | doesn't have any agps related code | 01:24 |
| alterego | jaem: to get around the closed source driver obviously. | 01:24 |
| jacekowski | so it has to be somewhere else | 01:24 |
| jaem | alterego: I forgot that one was closed. | 01:24 |
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| SpeedEvil | luke-jr: It did not get a lock until I started gpx-recorder-widget | 01:24 |
| jaem | Okay, luke-jr, what do you want me to do? Do you need a log pastebin'd back? | 01:24 |
| luke-jr | SpeedEvil: my console app started working when you did?? | 01:24 |
| SpeedEvil | yes | 01:24 |
| luke-jr | jaem: nah, just test it | 01:24 |
| luke-jr | jaem: see valid data ... or not, if your N900 is like SpeedEvil's | 01:25 |
| luke-jr | SpeedEvil: weird | 01:25 |
| BCMM | jaem: is that .cache/launch? | 01:25 |
| jaem | luke-jr: I'll be back momentarily | 01:25 |
| jaem | BCMM: That sounds about right. | 01:25 |
| SpeedEvil | luke-jr: Also - gpx-recorder works fine | 01:25 |
| SpeedEvil | actually - it's generated a file, I diddn't check | 01:25 |
| jacekowski | would be nice to get proper datasheet from gps chip manufacturer | 01:26 |
| SpeedEvil | file looks fine | 01:26 |
| SpeedEvil | jacekowski: not much help | 01:26 |
| alterego | jacekowski: upload to the chip would be amazing ... | 01:26 |
| SpeedEvil | jacekowski: inferring stuff from the datasheet, it would not directly output NMEA | 01:26 |
| alterego | Will this stuff be open in MeeGo? :/ | 01:27 |
| SpeedEvil | jacekowski: a little program on the phone CPU does thenumbercrunching | 01:27 |
| SpeedEvil | we're really talking to that | 01:27 |
| jaem | luke-jr: Well, the *app* works, and updates, but the data is quite clearly bogus. | 01:27 |
| luke-jr | jaem: :( | 01:27 |
| jaem | I take it the GPS Status icon shouldn't appear with this code, right? | 01:27 |
| SpeedEvil | jaem: Start something that uses GPS | 01:27 |
| SpeedEvil | jaem: as you would normally - leaving hte app running | 01:27 |
| jaem | luke-jr: Just FYI, my phone was a non-retail unit, although I believe it should be final hardware. | 01:28 |
| alterego | SpeedEvil: did you use my app earlier? | 01:28 |
| SpeedEvil | yes | 01:28 |
| alterego | What did you think? :) | 01:28 |
| jaem | SpeedEvil: I'll check that. | 01:28 |
| SpeedEvil | alterego: not much, as it bombed immediately with the qt lib problem | 01:28 |
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| jaem | alterego: which app is this? | 01:28 |
| alterego | Oh, so you didn't install Qt them? | 01:28 |
| SpeedEvil | alterego: Does failing at resolving links stages count as use... hmm. | 01:28 |
| SpeedEvil | no | 01:28 |
| SpeedEvil | I have various QT stuff installed. It sounded like pain to work out which right qt lib I should have | 01:29 |
| alterego | SpeedEvil: not really, just wanted to know what you thought of the UI | 01:29 |
| alterego | QtLocation ... | 01:29 |
| luke-jr | SpeedEvil: is yours also pre-retail>? | 01:30 |
| SpeedEvil | no | 01:30 |
| SpeedEvil | Altitude 303? | 01:30 |
| jaem | luke-jr: It works when running the GPS Recorder app, although I'm not certain about the "climb" data. | 01:31 |
| jaem | If you want, I can walk it up the hill outside and check properly | 01:31 |
| alterego | SpeedEvil: libqtm-location | 01:31 |
| jaem | luke-jr: Also, my phone is definitely post-summit by a good while, but I'm not sure how old it is. My prof got it from someone at Dev Days in California a week or two before retail shipments started. | 01:32 |
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| SpeedEvil | Could the altitude be ft/m? | 01:32 |
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| SpeedEvil | it looks about right for feet, but bogus for m | 01:32 |
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| alterego | jaem: http://alterego.metapath.org/projects/columbus/ the bottom screenshot is of the latest UI, the others were work in progress. The exe is in there though you need to install libqtm-location | 01:33 |
| SpeedEvil | jaem: yeah - it's bogus | 01:33 |
| jaem | alterego: what is this "exe" you speak of? :P | 01:34 |
| SpeedEvil | jaem: the gpx reports 100mish, the elevation reports 300 | 01:34 |
| SpeedEvil | err | 01:34 |
| SpeedEvil | luke-jr: | 01:34 |
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| luke-jr | it's not feet | 01:34 |
| SpeedEvil | luke-jr: my phone is retail, purchased as a pre-release | 01:34 |
| luke-jr | SpeedEvil: I don't specify units for altitude :p | 01:34 |
| alterego | jaem: just a binary compiled for PR1.2 | 01:34 |
| SpeedEvil | sure | 01:34 |
| SpeedEvil | luke-jr: have you reverse engineered all of this? | 01:35 |
| jaem | alterego: That looks nice! Is the compass face an image, or drawn with Qt? | 01:35 |
| kerio | Maemo Altitude Units | 01:35 |
| kerio | we should get that in the SI | 01:35 |
| alterego | jaem: drawn with Qt when it's changed but blit for rotation. | 01:35 |
| luke-jr | SpeedEvil: alterego helped | 01:35 |
| SpeedEvil | luke-jr: here - it looks like straight ft/m at 100m alt | 01:35 |
| luke-jr | he found the time/date | 01:35 |
| jaem | alterego: shiny | 01:35 |
| luke-jr | SpeedEvil: wtf is ft/m? | 01:35 |
| jaem | luke-jr: "feet per metre", of course... or so I would have to assume | 01:36 |
| SpeedEvil | luke-jr: reported ele are in units of .33m | 01:36 |
| SpeedEvil | well - ish | 01:36 |
| kerio | 0.30 | 01:36 |
| SpeedEvil | but it looks like a straight conversion | 01:36 |
| kerio | it's one foot / meter | 01:36 |
| jaem | Poke me if anyone needs more testing - I'm going back to work for now. | 01:36 |
| luke-jr | [15:27:31] <luke-jr> 649 ??? = 353.5 metres | 01:36 |
| luke-jr | [15:28:10] <luke-jr> 308 ??? = 107.5 metres | 01:36 |
| alterego | luke-jr: where did you get that init code for the GPS? Any idea what it actually means? :) | 01:37 |
| SpeedEvil | Ok - same time. | 01:37 |
| alterego | luke-jr: might contain the assisted data ... | 01:37 |
| luke-jr | alterego: strace, and no | 01:37 |
| luke-jr | alterego: that would explain why it doesn't work for anyone else :) | 01:37 |
| SpeedEvil | 22:36:00 - GPX reports 100.0m Altituder reports 301 | 01:38 |
| alterego | luke-jr: probably ;) look for satellite numers in that code. | 01:38 |
| SpeedEvil | luke-jr: how much data si there that you don't understand in the packet? | 01:38 |
| alterego | luke-jr: would def explain it if it stops working in 4 hours :P | 01:38 |
| luke-jr | SpeedEvil: more than 50% | 01:38 |
| SpeedEvil | luke-jr: Do you have location-test-gui? | 01:39 |
| alterego | SpeedEvil: quite a lot, check the wiki page. | 01:39 |
| luke-jr | SpeedEvil: dunno | 01:39 |
| SpeedEvil | luke-jr: you would typically also expect a series of triplets - satellite number, alt/az, signal | 01:39 |
| SpeedEvil | quads even | 01:39 |
| luke-jr | I wrote a program to dump hex packets combined with the Python location output | 01:39 |
| luke-jr | everything except altitude's units is decoded from the Python data | 01:40 |
| alterego | luke-jr: actually, that message doesn't look at all like it's got agps data ... | 01:40 |
| alterego | Too short and not enough meaningful ino. | 01:40 |
| alterego | info ... | 01:40 |
| SpeedEvil | It may be an initial time | 01:41 |
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| alterego | luke-jr: what is the time where you are? | 01:44 |
| luke-jr | 5:45 PM | 01:45 |
| alterego | My crap, it'd be UTC anyway I would have thought ... | 01:45 |
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| * asj is really pleased to see how good fapman is getting | 01:49 | |
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| * DocScrutinizer wonders what SI is ish | 01:49 | |
| jaem | asj: Oh? I should try it. | 01:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | mish | 01:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | 300k | 01:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | ish | 01:49 |
| alterego | luke-jr: can you get the data for that init again and see if it's changed :) | 01:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-P | 01:50 |
| asj | jaem: very worth it, I used to fear looking for and installing new stuff. With -devel the ap manager makes me shudder | 01:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | GPS will typically send lots of different packets | 01:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | also receive quite a few | 01:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | for A | 01:51 |
| jaem | asj: Awesome, I'll give it a try. | 01:51 |
| jaem | On Diablo there was a daemon to sync the clock from the GPS signal. Is that available on Fremantle? | 01:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | wonder why I got no 0xcc packets at all | 01:51 |
| jaem | I assume the "sync time" option normally syncs from the cell carrier...? | 01:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep | 01:51 |
| alterego | jaem: we can do it now :) | 01:52 |
| jaem | DocScrutinizer: to which one? | 01:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | jaem: anyway there's packet ntp | 01:52 |
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| DocScrutinizer | jaem: to you | 01:52 |
| luke-jr | alterego: yes maam | 01:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | cell carrier time | 01:52 |
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| DocScrutinizer | fsckng HAM just tool 5 minutes to make up his mind about the ~30 apps I could deinstall | 01:53 |
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| jaem | :( | 01:54 |
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| DocScrutinizer | so "makes me shudder" is a euphemism | 01:54 |
| luke-jr | alterego: it hasn't | 01:54 |
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| asj | DocScrutinizer: why aren't you using fapman? ;) | 01:55 |
| alterego | luke-jr: probably, nothing ingteresting there then :) | 01:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | lemme think... maybe because I wasn't completely dizzy by its performance when giving it a 30s try | 01:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | dunno | 01:57 |
| alterego | luke-jr: I've noticed that when I use it, (it wont have a lock) and it shows info that's very much like that eroneous info I was seeing earlier. Though I've noticed what you're reporting as speed is decreasing by one ... | 01:57 |
| alterego | every update | 01:57 |
| jaem | DocScrutinizer, asj: well, queued operations is a big thing for me. | 01:57 |
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| asj | fcamera rocks | 01:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | jaem: ack | 01:58 |
| jaem | I don't blame Nokia for not doing it like traditional package managers, but they could have at least backgrounded the installs like Ubuntu's "Software Centre" does. | 01:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | asj: just tested it, found genuine even better quality :-S | 01:58 |
| alterego | asj: agreed :) | 01:58 |
| jaem | I usually use the cli package managers anyway, but for newbies, the Ubuntu Software Centre is on the right track ,I think. | 01:59 |
| jaem | asj: I tried fcamera this morning, but the viewfinder is blank. Am I Doing it Wrong(TM)? | 01:59 |
| luke-jr | jaem: you can switch apps while it installs | 01:59 |
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| alterego | jaem: open the lens cover :P | 01:59 |
| asj | jaem: did you open the lens cover? ;p | 01:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | jaem: open cam lens slider ;-P | 01:59 |
| alterego | hah | 01:59 |
| asj | lol | 01:59 |
| jaem | all three: I did that. | 01:59 |
| alterego | Did you restart your phone? | 02:00 |
| lcuk | lol reboot and try again | 02:00 |
| jaem | yes | 02:00 |
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| asj | jaem: oh, did you reboot? | 02:00 |
| lcuk | then turn the lights on :p | 02:00 |
| alterego | Also, if you're using a custom kernel ... gutted :P | 02:00 |
| jaem | luke-jr: No, what I meant was allowing queued operations without having to select them all first. The Ubuntu Software Centre handles it by just throwing the download into a "current operations" tab and letting the user continue browsing for more. | 02:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | jaem: if it says "no photos to display" then slide down to get viewfinder | 02:00 |
| jaem | alterego: Ah, will that kill it? | 02:00 |
| alterego | jaem: yes | 02:00 |
| jaem | alterego: bah | 02:01 |
| jaem | Any way around that? I like my kernel | 02:01 |
| * jaem hugs his kernel protectively | 02:01 | |
| alterego | jaem: unless you compile the drivers yourself, which you can ofcourse :) | 02:01 |
| jaem | alterego: Yeah, I suppose I could do that. | 02:01 |
| alterego | All in their subversion garage account. | 02:01 |
| jaem | Are there src-debs in -testing as well? | 02:01 |
| alterego | Possibly, didn't check | 02:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | jaem: you noticed the blue square icon fcam kernel modules, in HAM? | 02:02 |
| alterego | I installed manually with dpkg -i | 02:02 |
| jaem | DocScrutinizer: I used apt-get/dpkg as well | 02:02 |
| jaem | It complained about blessn900 - was that from the same devs, or just otherwise conflicting? | 02:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | see, that's why I like to use HAM for certain purposes | 02:02 |
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| alterego | luke-jr: your app has locked now, giving me good data | 02:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | screw blessn900 -> crap | 02:03 |
| alterego | DocScrutinizer: didn't like that app myself :/ | 02:03 |
| alterego | kudos for whover did it though. I just thought it was awful :D | 02:04 |
| luke-jr | alterego: without Maemo accessing GPS? | 02:04 |
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| alterego | luke-jr: yup | 02:04 |
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| alterego | just left it running unti it llocked. | 02:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | (blessn900) http://share.ovi.com/media/joerg900.public/joerg900.10031 +3 | 02:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | nothing more to say | 02:05 |
| luke-jr | is ofono 0.23 recent enough for N900 support? | 02:05 |
| alterego | luke-jr: what ever meego are using ... | 02:06 |
| lcuk | DocScrutinizer, do same test using fcam and blessn900 again please | 02:06 |
| lcuk | complete verification of differences? | 02:06 |
| jaem | DocScrutinizer: I was asking about why the packages conflicted. | 02:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | lcuk: cost 5 beers :-P | 02:07 |
| lcuk | sure at the next crossing point conf/summit | 02:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | jaem: both come with 'proprietary' cam drivers | 02:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: you tell us | 02:08 |
| lcuk | hmmm | 02:08 |
| lcuk | DocScrutinizer, fcamera fcam-dev fcam-drivers are all OSS | 02:08 |
| lcuk | i just apt-get sourced them | 02:08 |
| luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: -.- | 02:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | I gave fcam a short test today (1h ago) wasn't impressed | 02:08 |
| lcuk | from fremantle/free | 02:08 |
| alterego | luke-jr: alt looks like it's in feet for me. | 02:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | lcuk: that's reason for the ' | 02:09 |
| luke-jr | alterego: it's not. | 02:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | you seen the gyro shit on tmo? | 02:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | fcam | 02:09 |
| SpeedEvil | alterego: run some sort of othedr app to readout the ele | 02:10 |
| alterego | luke-jr: speed looks correct | 02:10 |
| lcuk | sure i posted in the thread :P | 02:10 |
| jaem | DocScrutinizer: in this context, is "shit" good or bad? | 02:10 |
| lcuk | -drivers README indicates GPL2 | 02:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | who knows | 02:10 |
| alterego | SpeedEvil: I am, but my app is in meters ... | 02:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer | it's gibberish for shure | 02:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | see my comment | 02:10 |
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| kerio | fcamera doesn't work with custom kernels | 02:11 |
| kerio | you probably can just recompile the modules | 02:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | you can NOT unshake / stabilize video with g-meter | 02:11 |
| SpeedEvil | I get 301 reported = 100.0 real | 02:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer | you NEED gyro | 02:11 |
| lcuk | DocScrutinizer, it does not unshake/stabilise | 02:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | it does | 02:11 |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: that isn't quite true | 02:11 |
| lcuk | it merely waits for a quite spell before using a pic taken in that spel | 02:11 |
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| alterego | luke-jr: bearing looks correct too. | 02:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's what they claimed | 02:11 |
| lcuk | llread what i said | 02:12 |
| lcuk | and watch the video | 02:12 |
| lcuk | they show it | 02:12 |
| lcuk | accel == wobbly == throw away picture | 02:12 |
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| lcuk | accel == stable == keep picture | 02:12 |
| luke-jr | alterego: lol, good; had no clue how to test bearing XD | 02:12 |
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| lcuk | its not removing jitter by technical means, its selecting the best time to grab and keep a picture | 02:12 |
| SpeedEvil | You can rotate it cleanly in the axis of gravity without the accel noticing - but... | 02:12 |
| alterego | luke-jr: it's repoting the same degrees as my compass is. | 02:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: as long as you're not building a centripedal 'gyro' out of 3 mega-sensitive g-meters - it is | 02:12 |
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| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: of course. | 02:13 |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: it's 'good enough' | 02:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer | what? 3 g-meters? forget it | 02:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | see FR | 02:13 |
| alterego | luke-jr: easy to chdeck when you move :P | 02:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | you need ~10^2 to 10^4 better sensitivity | 02:14 |
| luke-jr | alterego: is bearing supposed to be 0..360 or -180..180? | 02:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | lcuk: hmm, even that will fail | 02:15 |
| lcuk | DocScrutinizer, it gives best chance possible | 02:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep sure | 02:15 |
| lcuk | its a decent sidestep :) | 02:15 |
| SpeedEvil | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Technical:Accelerometer_Fundamentals - on multiple accellerometer positioning | 02:15 |
| SpeedEvil | err | 02:15 |
| SpeedEvil | orientation computing | 02:15 |
| alterego | luke-jr: 0-360 | 02:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | aaw do we need to discuss diffs between rotation and linear accel now? | 02:16 |
| alterego | Well 0-359 | 02:16 |
| ieatlint | anyone hear ever tried using pulseaudio in qt to record audio? | 02:16 |
| SpeedEvil | docs: see the above page | 02:16 |
| ieatlint | s/hear/here/ | 02:16 |
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| DocScrutinizer | there's been somebody who was really upset about that qt-PA crap | 02:17 |
| jaem | DocScrutinizer, lcuk, SpeedEvil: Heck with it - get one of these and you're set! http://www.vectornav.com/ | 02:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | got lag of some 5s | 02:17 |
| alterego | anyway, bed time for me. | 02:17 |
| jaem | alterego: g'night | 02:17 |
| alterego | night folks | 02:18 |
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| lcuk | haha jaem i am getting reasonably high resolution absolute positioning with standard hardware :p | 02:18 |
| ieatlint | well, in a simple c application with pa_simple, i have no lag | 02:18 |
| lcuk | within confides of test area of course ;) | 02:18 |
| lcuk | nite alter | 02:18 |
| ieatlint | i'm working with ~20ms sound clips, and seen nothing of note | 02:18 |
| jaem | lcuk: well, we have two of those to play around with. :) They're not exactly cheap, though. :/ | 02:19 |
| ieatlint | unfortunately i can't use QAudioInput, because i need to pull the audio directly from pulseaudio | 02:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | ieatlint: check out bugtrac | 02:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | there's been a ticket with quite some comments | 02:20 |
| ieatlint | about the lag? | 02:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep | 02:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | in Qt | 02:20 |
| ieatlint | yep, lag not the issue :P | 02:20 |
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| DocScrutinizer | latency to be exact | 02:20 |
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| DocScrutinizer | mentioning quite a number of related issues as well | 02:21 |
| ieatlint | my issue is far more obscure... i need a clean audio input, and QAudioInput uses the ALSA interface to PulseAudio to get its data. The ALSA interface for PulseAudio adds a filter to the audio (i presume to make voice recordings sound better) -- this filter fucks me | 02:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | like PA chosing buffer size on arbitrary criteria or somesuch | 02:22 |
| ieatlint | so i have to hit PulseAudio directly from qt, which is turning into something of a joke unto itself | 02:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | ALSA IF adds a filter??? o.O | 02:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | WTF?? | 02:22 |
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| ieatlint | yes | 02:22 |
| ieatlint | it took me more hours than i want to ever want to admit to learn this, and ultimately someone on the dev mailing list helped me out a lot | 02:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | please dump the stack of plugins as seen by ALSA, analog to aplay -v | 02:23 |
| ieatlint | it'd be in PA, not ALSA | 02:23 |
| ieatlint | it's added before it hits ALSA | 02:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | (sorry can't remember name of alsa_xxx() function off top of my head) | 02:24 |
| ieatlint | if i record audio with pa_simple_read() using the default audio device, i get the filter -- if i tell it to record from the audio device "source.hw0", i get a clean signal | 02:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | PA is the hoofed one | 02:24 |
| luke-jr | alterego: what is used between 359 and 0? | 02:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | ALSA is rather clean | 02:24 |
| ieatlint | yeah, the filter's not in ALSA -- ALSA just uses the default PA audio device for recording, which gets the filter then | 02:25 |
| ieatlint | PA is a joke with worse api docs than EFL | 02:25 |
| lcuk | jaem, did you see the video i did with it? | 02:25 |
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| ieatlint | that was interesting timing :P | 02:26 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ieatlint: know this one? http://linuxplumbersconf.org/2009/slides/Jyri-Sarha-audio_miniconf_slides.pdf | 02:27 |
| jaem | lcuk: sorry, I wasn't paying attention. What's this? | 02:27 |
| jaem | If it wasn't recent, then probably. | 02:27 |
| lcuk | you posted link about positioning and stuff | 02:27 |
| lcuk | its very recent :) | 02:28 |
| lcuk | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjSrwpbxyAM | 02:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | just some 10 pages but a laugh as well as a cry | 02:28 |
| ieatlint | reading... | 02:28 |
| jaem | lcuk: Gah... Flash is murdering itself again. Will watch in a few. | 02:28 |
| lcuk | ok | 02:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | ieatlint: they sync with cellmo OTA GSM timeslices, for completely unclear reasons and purposes - go figure! | 02:29 |
| jaem | lcuk: woah, that's neat (conceptually and in terms of execution)! | 02:30 |
| jaem | I like this comment: "If this was on iPhone, I would have guessed it's \"magic\". But since it is not..." | 02:30 |
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| jaem | lcuk: Is it strictly based on movement? | 02:31 |
| lcuk | nope | 02:31 |
| lcuk | accelerometer is disabled | 02:31 |
| ieatlint | DocScrutinizer: yeah, that looks like the filter :P | 02:31 |
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| ieatlint | that filter caused me much pain | 02:32 |
| * ieatlint shakes fist | 02:32 | |
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| luke-jr | fwiw, someone wrote a BME replacement in BASH: https://elektranox.org/website/debian_on_n900.html | 02:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | maemo fremantle audio system is thoroughly fscked up | 02:33 |
| ieatlint | i've got a little c program now that can read magnetic stripes | 02:33 |
| jaem | lcuk: That is pretty darn awesome... When do we get the code? :) | 02:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: electranox!?!?!?! that cheeter? | 02:34 |
| jaem | How is liqbase development going, then? I haven't seen new packages in ages. | 02:34 |
| ieatlint | and a qt application that will nicely format id cards from north america and credit cards... and just need to work out this pulseaudio in qt thing to have it all nice and functional | 02:34 |
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| lcuk | thats because i have been busy for ages | 02:34 |
| jaem | lcuk: Yeah, understandable. | 02:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | claiming changing a 9 to a 1 from *my* original post would constitute a script written by the author??? | 02:34 |
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| jaem | I wasn't complaining - just expressing excitement over the project. | 02:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: please eat it | 02:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | >:-(( | 02:35 |
| lcuk | :D indeed, ive been fixing bugs and trying to do some reorganisation | 02:35 |
| jaem | lcuk: Well, if you need people to break their phones testing it, please let me know! | 02:35 |
| luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: ??? | 02:36 |
| lcuk | heh will do! | 02:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: WTF?! | 02:36 |
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| luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: first I've ever heard of electranox | 02:37 |
| luke-jr | how is he a cheater? | 02:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | pffffrt | 02:37 |
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| DocScrutinizer | click on "script from forum" link on electranox | 02:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | [2010-07-10 13:41:13] <DocScrutinizer> elektranox: bitte vergleiche https://elektranox.org/website/debian_on_n900.html >>Pancake wrote a script to charge the battery without this daemon based on information from the public available specs and the not working script from forum.<< mit http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=658278#post658278, und finde bitte eine etwas mehr den tatsachen entsprechende formulierung | 02:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | he didn't react on that polite request to correct the wording. He's a cheater | 02:40 |
| Arkenoi | what is recommended djvu reader (if any)? | 02:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | please also note posting date of http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=658278&postcount=861 | 02:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | aka http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=658278#post658278 | 02:41 |
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| luke-jr | does ofono have any *real* documentation? | 02:43 |
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| jaem | DocScrutinizer: do you have a large, solid wood cabinet? | 02:44 |
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| lpotter | luke-jr: in the ofono source tree under doc/ | 02:45 |
| luke-jr | lpotter: none of the dbus commands it talks about exist | 02:46 |
| lpotter | luke-jr: are you using phonesim? | 02:47 |
| luke-jr | oh, apparently because it says I have no modems | 02:47 |
| luke-jr | wtf is phonesim | 02:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | btw the diff between status 0x90 and status 0x10 is exactly D+/- short detection which is handled in musb_core.c | 02:47 |
| lpotter | :) phone simulator. | 02:47 |
| luke-jr | no? | 02:47 |
| luke-jr | I don't want no simulator crap | 02:47 |
| lpotter | is there a modem present? | 02:48 |
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| luke-jr | lpotter: it's a N900 | 02:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | and he claims somebody has WRITTEN a script based on some arbitrary info found elsewhere - while in fact he changed ONE CHAR of my original draft, ***as suggested by script**: "charging fimished, status: 0x10" | 02:48 |
| asj | "Waiter, only real crap for luke-jr please" | 02:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | *** | 02:49 |
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| luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: so you wrote it, not the guy he credits? | 02:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: well it took a while, probably due to my fuzzy explanations, but YES!!! | 02:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | you got it | 02:50 |
| luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: that's not cheating | 02:50 |
| luke-jr | it's plagerism and copyright infringement | 02:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer | asking him to correct it and he ignores is worse than cheating though | 02:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | dunno the right english word | 02:51 |
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| luke-jr | lpotter: .. | 02:53 |
| lpotter | luke-jr: is maemo running? not sure how ofono does with the maemo modem stuff | 02:55 |
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| luke-jr | lpotter: Maemo is running in a different root | 02:56 |
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| luke-jr | hmm | 02:57 |
| luke-jr | I can't find docs on how to setup gprs0 via ofono.. | 02:57 |
| luke-jr | nm, duh | 02:57 |
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| SpeedEvil1 | tcpdump -i wlan0 - causes all sorts of issues - network dead often till reboot | 04:16 |
| SpeedEvil1 | is there a solution | 04:16 |
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| MohammadAG | prolly rmmod the wlan kernel module? | 04:17 |
| MohammadAG | then modprobe it back | 04:17 |
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| SpeedEvil | hmm | 04:17 |
| SpeedEvil | point | 04:17 |
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| MohammadAG | hmm? | 04:18 |
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| DOnJUiLiEm | hello | 04:41 |
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| DOnJUiLiEm | i have bought today the n900 it s really great !!!! :) | 04:42 |
| pronto | \o/ | 04:42 |
| pronto | becareful of the usb port on it | 04:42 |
| pronto | my first n900 it fell out | 04:42 |
| DOnJUiLiEm | what do u mean | 04:42 |
| DOnJUiLiEm | i want to know if there are some french here which use tv with n900 | 04:43 |
| asj | DOnJUiLiEm: don't apply to much force to the usb connector | 04:43 |
| DOnJUiLiEm | oki asj | 04:43 |
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| DOnJUiLiEm | i have sfr french provider and i want to know if there are an application we can start tv on n900 | 04:44 |
| DOnJUiLiEm | it s seams not working | 04:45 |
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| DOnJUiLiEm | thx to nokia too to have choosed a linux based distribution | 04:46 |
| DOnJUiLiEm | i think it s a very nice choose | 04:46 |
| DOnJUiLiEm | choice | 04:46 |
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| DOnJUiLiEm | it s my first phone like that and i m really very happy | 04:47 |
| Gryllida | same here | 04:47 |
| DOnJUiLiEm | i develope a little on qt and i think after read doc on how to develop on n900 i will produce some application | 04:48 |
| Gryllida | :) | 04:48 |
| DOnJUiLiEm | but i want to know too something | 04:48 |
| DOnJUiLiEm | maybe it s off topic but u will say me | 04:48 |
| DOnJUiLiEm | i have listen about the backtrack mobile distribution | 04:48 |
| DOnJUiLiEm | where i can download it | 04:48 |
| DOnJUiLiEm | ??? | 04:48 |
| DOnJUiLiEm | i realy want test it | 04:49 |
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| DOnJUiLiEm | really the n900 is the best phone in the world fuck apple :) | 04:50 |
| asj | DOnJUiLiEm: you're on the wrong channel, we only complain about the n900 and nokia here | 04:54 |
| DOnJUiLiEm | ok ok | 04:54 |
| DOnJUiLiEm | so to come back on the subject | 04:55 |
| luke-jr | DOnJUiLiEm: N900 isn't a phone | 04:55 |
| DOnJUiLiEm | i have seen that there are a fm transmiter | 04:55 |
| DOnJUiLiEm | on the n900 | 04:55 |
| DOnJUiLiEm | someone have an how to to make it ? | 04:55 |
| luke-jr | ... | 04:55 |
| luke-jr | you just turn it on in Settings | 04:55 |
| DOnJUiLiEm | hmmm ???? | 04:56 |
| luke-jr | it's very very very short range though | 04:56 |
| DOnJUiLiEm | yes | 04:56 |
| DOnJUiLiEm | i know but it could be usefull in car | 04:56 |
| luke-jr | too short range for car too :) | 04:56 |
| DOnJUiLiEm | so how i activated it ? | 04:56 |
| luke-jr | [20:55:56] <luke-jr> you just turn it on in Settings | 04:56 |
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| ShadowJK | or in media player | 05:10 |
| luke-jr | Stskeeps: what does wl1251-cal do? | 05:10 |
| ShadowJK | from the app menu | 05:10 |
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| DOnJUiLiEm | nice work very welll !!!! | 05:14 |
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| DOnJUiLiEm | too nice | 05:16 |
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| luke-jr | sigh | 06:36 |
| luke-jr | getting phonet usable seems to be impossible -.- | 06:36 |
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| SpeedEvil | why? | 06:43 |
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| Macer | luke-jr: no kidding :-P | 06:49 |
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| luke-jr | SpeedEvil: I can't figure out any way to make it usable... no decent documentation, I guess is the real problem | 06:53 |
| luke-jr | short of booting Maemo and just letting it do magic | 06:54 |
| luke-jr | and ofono just pretends there's no modem, without giving me any errors or such | 06:55 |
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| SpeedEvil | ah | 07:18 |
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| Stskeeps | morning | 07:20 |
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| yigal | should I get an expensive speaker, foxl v2 = 200$, to listen at home and on a bicycle to music - I'll be commuting 50 miles roundtrip? Any thoughts welcome. | 07:24 |
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| luke-jr | Stskeeps: poke | 07:40 |
| Stskeeps | morn | 07:40 |
| luke-jr | did you mention ofono working on N900? | 07:40 |
| Stskeeps | yes, though some patches are getting put into it i believe | 07:41 |
| luke-jr | so git ofono doesn't work yet? | 07:41 |
| luke-jr | any idea how to get phonet0 up? | 07:41 |
| Stskeeps | it's not my area of work sadly, so i don't know - and the guys working on it is at vacation :P | 07:42 |
| luke-jr | it's all ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): phonet0: link is not ready | 07:42 |
| Stskeeps | and check jebba's tutorials | 07:42 |
| luke-jr | I saw a few pages of Jebbas... not too useful :/ | 07:42 |
| luke-jr | one had a command followed by ifconfig phonet0 up, but that didn't work either | 07:42 |
| Stskeeps | dunno | 07:44 |
| luke-jr | phonet -a 0x6C -i phonet0 | 07:44 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, it would turn on the modem i believe | 07:44 |
| Stskeeps | on a sidenote, N8x0 DVFS doesn't look that difficult to patch | 07:44 |
| luke-jr | DVFS? | 07:44 |
| Stskeeps | cpufreq | 07:45 |
| luke-jr | o | 07:45 |
| Stskeeps | as i kinda suspect any newer kernel on n8x0 runs on low freq | 07:45 |
| luke-jr | on a sidenote, I wrote a program that starts and prints GPS info, talking direct to cellmo | 07:45 |
| luke-jr | but only works if I get phonet0 up :p | 07:46 |
| Stskeeps | cool | 07:46 |
| Macer | well. looks like bulgaria has made the racist routing list | 07:46 |
| luke-jr | Stskeeps: http://luke.dashjr.org/tmp/code/gps | 07:46 |
| luke-jr | Stskeeps: wanna try it? | 07:46 |
| luke-jr | no AGPS, so it might take a while if your GPS doesn't have the schedule thing already | 07:47 |
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| Stskeeps | luke-jr: source, not binaries, please :P | 07:47 |
| luke-jr | Stskeeps: append .c to the URI then | 07:47 |
| luke-jr | Stskeeps: but be warned, at least someone here had a bad phonet header :P | 07:47 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 07:47 |
| luke-jr | (or maybe the SDK GCC can't compile it...) | 07:48 |
| Stskeeps | good job | 07:48 |
| luke-jr | Stskeeps: any idea what unit the altitude is btw? :P | 07:48 |
| luke-jr | I couldn't quite identify that | 07:48 |
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| luke-jr | Stskeeps: also, any clues on getting the wifi working outside Maemo? | 07:50 |
| Macer | Bulgaria borders five other countries: Romania to the north (mostly along the River Danube), Serbia and the Republic of Macedonia to the west, and Greece and Turkey to the south. | 07:50 |
| Macer | oh yeah. a total shit geopolitical neighborhood | 07:50 |
| luke-jr | it apparently needs more than firmware, but the -cal app is too complex to simply run or chroot | 07:50 |
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| yigal | Macer Greece is an area of politival shit right now? sorry for instigating | 08:01 |
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| luke-jr | yawn, I just ran my battery down to 0 :( | 08:04 |
| Macer | yigal: haha | 08:06 |
| Macer | Military spending in 2009 cost $1.19 billion. | 08:06 |
| Macer | :) | 08:06 |
| Macer | bulgaria military spending 1.19billion | 08:07 |
| Macer | awesome | 08:07 |
| luke-jr | How about Bologna? | 08:07 |
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| Macer | don't know but the US is around 685 billion :) | 08:08 |
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| luke-jr | Macer: ... idiot :) | 08:08 |
| luke-jr | Bologna is a meat | 08:09 |
| Macer | oh. figured it was just another unknown euro shithole like bulgaria | 08:09 |
| Macer | :) | 08:09 |
| luke-jr | hehe | 08:09 |
| Macer | with all the other "programs" for defense.. the US actually spends over 1trillion | 08:09 |
| luke-jr | Macer: pop quiz | 08:09 |
| Macer | bulgaria... 1.9 billion ... us... 1.2 trillion | 08:09 |
| luke-jr | is Beef a meat or country? | 08:09 |
| Macer | hahah | 08:09 |
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| luke-jr | Macer: time's up! the answer is MEAT | 08:10 |
| luke-jr | Macer: next: is Turkey a meat or country? | 08:10 |
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| Macer | hey ;) turkey is both | 08:10 |
| Macer | hahahaha | 08:10 |
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| Stskeeps | luke-jr: firmware should be enough | 08:11 |
| luke-jr | Stskeeps: :/ | 08:11 |
| Macer | luke-jr: :) | 08:11 |
| Macer | an no offense | 08:11 |
| Macer | but historically | 08:11 |
| Stskeeps | luke-jr: in meego we don't have wl1251-cal either | 08:11 |
| Macer | bologna was actually an ancient republic in italy | 08:11 |
| luke-jr | Stskeeps: how do you set the MAC? | 08:12 |
| Macer | so tthe bolognese republic ;) | 08:12 |
| luke-jr | curiously, my CAL reading app couldn't find any of the wlan data :/ | 08:12 |
| Macer | hehe | 08:12 |
| Stskeeps | luke-jr: it gets set randomly within some area but a valid mac.. we need to port wl1251-cal too | 08:12 |
| * luke-jr ponders if he can tell Maemo that 2G/3G is useless except for data | 08:13 | |
| luke-jr | (in other words, don't bother unless it's the only data available) | 08:14 |
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| Macer | :) | 08:17 |
| Macer | luke-jr: | 08:17 |
| Macer | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bolognese_Republic | 08:17 |
| Macer | HAHAHA | 08:17 |
| Macer | wikipedia has an article for everything :) | 08:17 |
| luke-jr | Macer: stfu already | 08:17 |
| Macer | remind me to give them a donation | 08:17 |
| luke-jr | don't | 08:17 |
| Macer | honestly i am surprised but there isn't a republic or country or state named beef :) | 08:18 |
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| Macer | i'm sure there is probably a city or town tho | 08:18 |
| luke-jr | Macer: Bologna is *still* a city | 08:18 |
| Macer | yeah but it started off as a republic | 08:18 |
| Macer | :) but i can't think of a place named beef | 08:19 |
| Macer | there has to be one tho | 08:19 |
| luke-jr | you just mentioned a Wikipedia article that says the city was first | 08:19 |
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| Macer | well. rome was a republic too :) so would you consider it just the city of rome ? or almost all of the known conquered world at the time? | 08:21 |
| Macer | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:RomanEmpire_large.jpg | 08:22 |
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| SwedeMike | asj: doesn't work. | 09:06 |
| asj | worked like a charm :) | 09:07 |
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| SmokeyD | hey everyone. I resized the MyDocs paritition and created an extra ext3 partition. I want it automounted on a specific folder, but I read somewhere that /etc/fstab is generated on startup. So where should I then specify where it is automounted on boot? | 09:11 |
| SwedeMike | fstab is not generated, it's static. | 09:11 |
| SwedeMike | so yes, it's the correct place to put stuff in that you want mounted on boot | 09:11 |
| SmokeyD | SwedeMike: ok, cool | 09:12 |
| SmokeyD | SwedeMike: is there also a way to make the extra partition available in usb mass storage mode? | 09:12 |
| luke-jr | SwedeMike: uh, yes it is generated | 09:13 |
| SwedeMike | oh sorry, I didn't see that this was #maemo | 09:14 |
| SwedeMike | I thought it was one of the bunch of ubuntu channels I was on. | 09:14 |
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| SmokeyD | luke-jr: ok, so where is it generated and how then would I make sure it includes the partition I justs created? | 09:16 |
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| Myrtti | ohai | 09:19 |
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| phellarv | Hmm - Anyone knows wether it,s possible to get the internal mailclient to show only subscribed imap-folders? | 10:21 |
| sezuan | phellarv: I guess that's the default behaviour. | 10:22 |
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| phellarv | sezuan: Nope - it shows _all_ folders. | 10:24 |
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| sezuan | Interesting. I see my subscribed folders only. | 10:46 |
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| nid0 | the mail client should (does) obey server-side folder subscriptions. if it's showing you all folders then server-side you're probably subscribed to them all, and just have local subscriptions set in whatever other mail client(s) you use that only see some of them | 10:49 |
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| TermanaN900 | yello | 11:15 |
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| SmokeyD | hey everyone, I want to reflash my N900 since it won't startup anymore. It starts with the Nokia screen, then goes to the five dots schreen which move back and forth like it is starting up, but there it stays. I might have messed up the /etc/event.d/rcS-late script. Should I flash my N900 (European version) with RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.19-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin? Or do I also need an eMMC content image? | 11:25 |
| Stskeeps | just go for that image | 11:26 |
| SmokeyD | Stskeeps: ok, so just flash that image and it will reset the config files, installed apps, etc? I do have a backup of my mmc drive, and on the mmc drive there are also backups I made with the backup tool of the phone | 11:27 |
| Stskeeps | right | 11:27 |
| SmokeyD | So I can restore the rest from there right? | 11:27 |
| Stskeeps | hopefully | 11:27 |
| * Stskeeps tries to rewrite image | 11:28 | |
| SmokeyD | :D | 11:28 |
| SmokeyD | Well, I am flashing now | 11:29 |
| SmokeyD | keep my fingers crossed | 11:29 |
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| Corsac | won't be easy to type | 11:29 |
| SmokeyD | Corsac: what won't be easy to type? With my fingers crossed? | 11:29 |
| SmokeyD | :) | 11:29 |
| SmokeyD | "CMT flashed successfully" | 11:30 |
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| SmokeyD | it ios booting again | 11:30 |
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| SmokeyD | tididididu! | 11:31 |
| SmokeyD | I never new I could be so happy to hear that all familiar sound | 11:32 |
| SmokeyD | new=knew | 11:32 |
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| alcy | folks, quick help needed. I got my father the N900 and got OOo etc. running by simply installing the Debian Img App (under MyDocs). He is facing the problem of not being able to transfer files between ubuntu & n900, which rebooting the phone solved. so, is there a better non-CLI fix for this issue ? | 11:53 |
| alcy | ...and except rebooting the phone. | 11:53 |
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| alcy | ...and we live in different cities, so that doesn't help. | 11:56 |
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| kerio | DocScrutinizer: :( | 12:00 |
| kerio | i'm sure your script is better! | 12:00 |
| kerio | alcy: it's not ubuntu, it's debian | 12:01 |
| alcy | kerio: eerm, Ubuntu on pc. | 12:01 |
| th3hate | where should i place shell scripts to run them directly from terminal | 12:02 |
| th3hate | in opt? | 12:02 |
| kerio | and the home directory is the same | 12:03 |
| kerio | ooh, i see... | 12:03 |
| kerio | hmm | 12:03 |
| kerio | put the things in MyDocs, connect the usb cable in storage mode, wait for ubuntu to do his automounting rituals? | 12:03 |
| villager | alcy: how does he transfer files? usb mass storage? | 12:03 |
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| alcy | villager: yup | 12:04 |
| alcy | villager: so the problem is, either he had an app in use which was probably accessing MyDocs, or something similar to that effect | 12:04 |
| villager | alcy: well I guess he needs to unmount the debian image before he can put it into mass storage... I think these days there's an app for that in the menu | 12:04 |
| alcy | villager: ah alright, will search for the app and let him know. cheers. | 12:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | kerio: no, pancake's script is better, he changed 9 to 1 while copying mine, and usually that works better | 12:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer | the pity is he copied everything else incl typos, and claims he had written it | 12:06 |
| villager | though I thought running OOo via a debian img on a n900 would be too uber-slow to be useful | 12:08 |
| villager | and not have a very good gui either | 12:09 |
| villager | well, maybe I wasn't patient enough | 12:10 |
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| alcy | villager: well, its not my phone, for a few hours it was with me, I needed to have OOo for dad, that's it. yup, it was painfully slow. and its probably a matter of time, when dad will call me for more fixes. | 12:12 |
| alcy | and them probably, I'll flash it. | 12:13 |
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| alcy | or provide instructions | 12:13 |
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| villager | alcy: if you're using the Easy Debian package, it looks like the menu item is called "Close Debian" | 12:14 |
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| alcy | villager: yup, just told him. found it in the wiki/help | 12:14 |
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| alcy | village: anything that my dad's gonna miss if I flash it with Debian ? | 12:15 |
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| villager | alcy: what do you mean flash it with debian? | 12:16 |
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| alcy | villager: getting rid of the Easy deb package, and flashing with Debian instead (what ? did I miss somehitng ?) | 12:17 |
| villager | alcy: so, overwrite Maemo? well, as far as I know, there *is* no debian-for-n900 | 12:18 |
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| villager | perhaps that other free maemo-replacement project, can't recall its name right now, but it's not debian as such | 12:19 |
| alcy | villager: I must have misread somewhere really then ! I thought easy deb was for people who wanted a quick fix, as opposed to say people who could afford to go take some other route. guess I was just making a presumption. | 12:21 |
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| villager | what was the name of that free-OS-project for nokia internet tablets? | 12:24 |
| Stskeeps | mer | 12:25 |
| villager | oh yeah, that was it | 12:26 |
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| villager | alcy: well, that Mer project would be for those hacker-type people who could afford to take some other route... but you'd probably miss a lot | 12:27 |
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| alcy | villager: yup. and my dad is far from being those hacker-people. :) | 12:28 |
| Stskeeps | well, meego's the way | 12:28 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 12:28 |
| Stskeeps | mer's dead | 12:28 |
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| DocScrutinizer | sob | 12:29 |
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| TermanaN900 | DocScrutinizer, dont cry for Mer argentina... i dont know the rest of the lyrics for that song. (thankfully) | 12:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer | TermanaN900: I'll tell to werner almesberger :-) lives in BUE | 12:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | GAN900: ping | 12:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | much too early | 12:40 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer: what are you doing then? | 12:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | too early for tampa bay | 12:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | (gan900) | 12:48 |
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| TomaszD | lbt, the joggler is on its way to you | 12:50 |
| lbt | cool | 12:51 |
| * lbt watches driveway for van | 12:51 | |
| TomaszD | should be any minute now | 12:51 |
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| TomaszD | 13.7GBP this cost me | 12:52 |
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| TermanaN900 | TomaszD, and a piece of your soul | 12:56 |
| TermanaN900 | :P | 12:56 |
| TomaszD | that's exactly what happens when waiting in a queue at the post office around here, how did you know TermanaN900 ? | 12:57 |
| Stskeeps | yes, it is | 12:57 |
| Stskeeps | polska poczta = fucking evil | 12:58 |
| TomaszD | actually no, the post office ladies around here are nice and helpful | 12:58 |
| TomaszD | but I can imagine why Stskeeps would run into problems | 12:58 |
| TomaszD | :) | 12:58 |
| Stskeeps | TomaszD: the queues are bizarre here in warsaw | 12:59 |
| TomaszD | as far as I know you have to call the president to get into one | 12:59 |
| TomaszD | :P | 12:59 |
| TomaszD | people are weird, true | 12:59 |
| TermanaN900 | TomaszD, i knew from my secret mediumistic abilities | 12:59 |
| TermanaN900 | :P | 13:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: ping | 13:02 |
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| jacekowski | pong | 13:04 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: | 13:04 |
| Stskeeps | ~wifi-psm | 13:04 |
| infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, wifi-psm is http://wiki.maemo.org/Wifi_Power_Saving_Mode_(PSM) | 13:04 |
| jacekowski | what i can do you for? | 13:04 |
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| jacekowski | what can i do you for? | 13:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | just saying hello | 13:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | while sorting my head | 13:05 |
| jacekowski | so you just highlighted me for fun | 13:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | bq24150 kernel driver, status? | 13:05 |
| tybollt | crashie around by any chance? | 13:05 |
| jacekowski | it will require new kernel | 13:05 |
| jacekowski | i can't make it self contained | 13:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | any results on serial console bidir? | 13:06 |
| tybollt | helloooo crash? | 13:06 |
| jacekowski | because of i2c subsystem | 13:06 |
| jacekowski | and devices have to be defined in i2c bus driver | 13:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | k | 13:06 |
| jacekowski | otherwise i could make a workaround that it would force itself to register | 13:06 |
| jacekowski | when loaded | 13:06 |
| jacekowski | but it will panic on unload | 13:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm | 13:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | we prolly don't want it that way | 13:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | talk to titan | 13:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | our god of nasty wicked kernels | 13:07 |
| jacekowski | what's his nick here? | 13:07 |
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| jacekowski | or jabber | 13:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | t-tan | 13:07 |
| jacekowski | or anything | 13:07 |
| jacekowski | ~seen t-tan | 13:08 |
| TermanaN900 | DocScrutinizer, conspiring with overclockers!? well i never :P | 13:08 |
| infobot | t-tan <~tanner@e179094244.adsl.alicedsl.de> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 40d 14h 27m 11s ago, saying: 'smoking hot device?'. | 13:08 |
| jacekowski | i think he might be dead | 13:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer | hmm, prolly killed by a lynchmob | 13:08 |
| jacekowski | btw. i bought a breadboard | 13:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: join h-e-n! | 13:09 |
| jacekowski | 12:09 -!- Irssi: #h-e-n: Total of 1 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 0 normal] | 13:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | your kernel patches more than welcome in hostmode kernel | 13:10 |
| jacekowski | that #h-e-n? | 13:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | h-e-n.garage.maemo.org | 13:10 |
| jacekowski | ah | 13:10 |
| jacekowski | that h-e-n | 13:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer | alterego is about to find his way thru our chaos, building patched kernel etc, talk to him | 13:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | also to hcm | 13:11 |
| kerio | what's wrong with the Linux Kernel For Power Users? | 13:11 |
| jacekowski | i'm still using stock kernel | 13:12 |
| jacekowski | i'm about to break my phone | 13:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer | unmanaged as maintainer had been killed by lynchmob | 13:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer | see backscroll | 13:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | kerio: ^^^ | 13:13 |
| kerio | i see | 13:13 |
| jacekowski | fuck yeah | 13:13 |
| jacekowski | dead | 13:13 |
| jacekowski | now i have tablet without a phone | 13:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | duh wut? | 13:14 |
| jacekowski | Image authentication failed from cellmo | 13:14 |
| Stskeeps | you can probably reflash cellmo | 13:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer | you SHALT NOT mess with cellmo firmware | 13:14 |
| kerio | you SHALT mess with cellmo firmware, for we are bored and easily amused | 13:15 |
| kerio | also, pwnd | 13:15 |
| Stskeeps | well, as long as he doesn't start blaming nokia | 13:15 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 13:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | odds are you need coldflash though, if cellmo solidly fscked up | 13:16 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ->RMA | 13:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | or figure how coldflash works, which brings us back to my 2nd question | 13:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | any results on serial console bidir? | 13:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer | wouldn't like to build an extremely expensive unique prototype jig/fixture for TermanaN900 and just to find I had the wrong pins | 13:18 |
| jacekowski | i bought breadboard | 13:18 |
| jacekowski | and played with multimeter little bit | 13:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: could you describe what's the exact process you are following when accessing bootconsole? | 13:19 |
| Stskeeps | enable r&d mode, serial console | 13:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | incl which tools you use for that? | 13:19 |
| jacekowski | Stskeeps: and you press button on keyboard | 13:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | hw tools | 13:19 |
| jacekowski | Stskeeps: which one | 13:19 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: nothing | 13:19 |
| Stskeeps | no, i don't | 13:19 |
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| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: flasher | 13:19 |
| jacekowski | Stskeeps: you don't press any buttons on keyboard? | 13:20 |
| Stskeeps | no | 13:20 |
| jacekowski | Stskeeps: and you jig has 3 pins? | 13:20 |
| Stskeeps | well, getting into nolo prompt i've never tried | 13:20 |
| jacekowski | ahh | 13:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | hw tools!! | 13:20 |
| jacekowski | hmm, ok | 13:20 |
| jacekowski | flashed it back | 13:20 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: you are using FT-94? (or whatever it's called) | 13:21 |
| Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: msg | 13:21 |
| jacekowski | msg me as well | 13:22 |
| abc_ | I installed scratchbox and when I write: sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list it says: bash: sudo: command not found | 13:22 |
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| visz | sudo apt-get install sudo | 13:22 |
| khertan_n900 | Hi ! | 13:22 |
| visz | no.. wait | 13:22 |
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| * khertan_n900 just see from his stats of his repository that around 3500 users ask for update daily on his repository | 13:23 | |
| jacekowski | ooooooo | 13:24 |
| jacekowski | it looks like cellmo firmware has asic version detection | 13:24 |
| jacekowski | so it looks like it's same firmware across all phones/vrsions | 13:24 |
| abc_ | visz: ok | 13:24 |
| khertan_n900 | hum .... there is also everyday 150 which are still requesting update on the fremantle repository instead of fremantle-1.2 | 13:25 |
| abc_ | visz: I follwed this: http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Final_SDK_Installation#Installing_Maemo_5_SDK_on_x86-32_Debian_based_distribution | 13:25 |
| jacekowski | does Pearl mean anything to anybodyu | 13:25 |
| thp | X-Fade: i got a "promotion unlocked" mail for webradio-superfly, but it's not ready yet (only 4 votes) - is this a bug or just a one-time error? | 13:25 |
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| visz | abc_, try su -c apt-get install sudo | 13:25 |
| X-Fade | thp: 3 testers said it was ok then. | 13:26 |
| abc_ | visz: bash: su: command not found | 13:26 |
| visz | uh oh | 13:26 |
| kerio | khertan_n900: what repo? | 13:26 |
| khertan_n900 | mine | 13:27 |
| kerio | i didn't ask whose repo | 13:27 |
| kerio | i asked what repo | 13:27 |
| khertan_n900 | http://khertan.net/khertan_repository | 13:27 |
| kerio | i see | 13:27 |
| khertan_n900 | :) | 13:27 |
| visz | abc_, seems like you're on a floating device over a lake of organic matter without a method of propulsion | 13:27 |
| abc_ | visz: after follwing the above link, when I /scratchbox/login then only sbox-> appeared, (unusual), so I did this: sb-conf st FREMANTLE_X86 -c cs2007q3-glibc2.5-i486 -d perl:debian-etch:doctools:svn:git -t none | 13:28 |
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| abc_ | visz: ? | 13:28 |
| khertan_n900 | hum ... 88 People have installed VectorMine 1.1.0 | 13:28 |
| abc_ | visz: you mean I need to follow all the steps of manual installation also ? | 13:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: you ever sent any data to that 3rd pin of FT-94? | 13:30 |
| abc_ | visz: so better I uninstall and install again | 13:32 |
| abc_ | visz: manually | 13:32 |
| kerio | why does the cellmo needs a sign? :/ | 13:33 |
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| FireFly | Hm | 13:35 |
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| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: not yet | 13:40 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: i'm about to do so | 13:40 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: when i'll finish building my very very very very safe level shifter on my breadboard | 13:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | FT-94 is most most most likely correct about pins | 13:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | hehe | 13:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | make sure it's *really* safe, you don't want to fry OMAP | 13:41 |
| jacekowski | hmm, it looks like rapuyama is omapbased | 13:41 |
| jacekowski | well, i might have already fried serial port | 13:41 |
| jacekowski | because i probably connected it to 12V | 13:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | OUCH! | 13:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | you bet it's dead then | 13:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | condolences | 13:42 |
| jacekowski | well, omap survived | 13:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | mhm | 13:42 |
| jacekowski | so it might be something else that died | 13:42 |
| jacekowski | but i had no time to test it | 13:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | it won't explode in one big cloud | 13:42 |
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| jacekowski | well, AVR ADC pin survived 24V | 13:43 |
| FireFly | Hrm | 13:43 |
| jacekowski | trough 100 ohms resistor | 13:43 |
| FireFly | fstab is autogenerated on bootup? | 13:43 |
| jacekowski | FireFly: yep | 13:44 |
| FireFly | So how would I do if I wanted to change something? | 13:44 |
| jacekowski | so clamping diode on io pin had load of work to do | 13:44 |
| jacekowski | FireFly: you don't | 13:44 |
| FireFly | :< | 13:44 |
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| DocScrutinizer | if only those BS ½@#ŋ”æ&%$ schematics were a LITTLE bit more verbose on what is going on with testpads. Also regarding tranzorbs for ESD etc | 13:44 |
| FireFly | What is it generated by? | 13:44 |
| jacekowski | well, these pins are connected to serial on omap | 13:46 |
| jacekowski | and omap will fallback to serial boot in case of wiped bootloader | 13:46 |
| jacekowski | so i possibly could wipe it with x-rays | 13:46 |
| jacekowski | and maybe see these tracks | 13:46 |
| defragger | hi, does anybody already tested the mobilehotspot application? | 13:48 |
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| TomaszD | defragger, use kernel-power kernel first and disable all connections before you start that application | 13:48 |
| TomaszD | cya guys | 13:48 |
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| jacekowski | tbh, rapuyama looks like generic arm + dsp | 13:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: it is | 13:56 |
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| SmokeyD | This is weird. I have resize my MyDocs partition (/dev/mmcblk0p5) to make it 5GB and created an extra ext3 partition. If I manually mount that partition in /home/user/MyDocs/.maps/ then the partition has 22GB available space, as shown by df -h. But when I put the mount command ni /etc/event.d/rcS-late, so the partition is automounted at boot, df -h only shows 5GB available, instead of the proper 23GB. If I then unmount it again and mount it again, the | 13:59 |
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| SmokeyD | The MyDocs partition is of course /dev/mmcblk0p1 not /dev/mmcblk0p5 (that is the device of the new ext3 partition) | 14:00 |
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| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: hmm you might have problem with jrbme | 14:01 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: it's reading some data from bme cal | 14:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer | we knew that before | 14:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer | it's even writing there iirc | 14:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | you found that weeks ago | 14:03 |
| nedko | hi, do you get BADSIG when updating from repositories? | 14:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'm not concerned about it | 14:03 |
| jacekowski | it's messing with rapuyama power managment | 14:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | FSCK! http://www.forum.gsmrapid.com/showthread.php?t=4957 is down/gone. Was a nice page about rapuyama for you jacekowski | 14:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | can someone please explain to me the gibberish on http://www.forum.gsmrapid.com/ | 14:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | Apache/2.2.11 (Unix) mod_ssl/2.2.11 OpenSSL/0.9.8e-fips-rhel5 mod_auth_passthrough/2.1 mod_bwlimited/1.4 FrontPage/5.0.2.2635 Server at www.forum.gsmrapid.com Port 80 | 14:06 |
| nid0 | its just an apache default page | 14:06 |
| nid0 | means theres no content in the webserver folder that domain directs to, and apache has indexing enabled | 14:07 |
| * DocScrutinizer hates internet :-P | 14:07 | |
| DocScrutinizer | nid0: thnx :) | 14:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: ^^^ | 14:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: you got another link to that BBcellmo overview? | 14:09 |
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| nid0 | DocScrutinizer: for what it's worth | 14:09 |
| nid0 | all theyve done is move the forum out of the forum. subdomaibn | 14:09 |
| nid0 | im guessing the thread you're looking for is | 14:10 |
| nid0 | http://gsmrapid.com/showthread.php?t=4957 | 14:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer | nid0: \o/ | 14:10 |
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| tybollt | crashie? | 14:11 |
| tybollt | ?crashanddie | 14:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: (rapuyama == arm + dsp) ^^^ | 14:11 |
| tybollt | ping crashanddie | 14:11 |
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| * DocScrutinizer wonders what YAMA might be | 14:13 | |
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| DocScrutinizer | ~wtf yama | 14:13 |
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| infobot | Gee... I don't know what yama means... | 14:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | thought as much | 14:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~botsnack | 14:13 |
| infobot | thanks, DocScrutinizer | 14:13 |
| kerio | ~botsnack | 14:14 |
| infobot | aw, gee, kerio | 14:14 |
| tybollt | ~yousuck | 14:14 |
| tybollt | ~wtf crashanddie | 14:15 |
| infobot | Gee... I don't know what crashanddie means... | 14:15 |
| jacekowski | fun | 14:16 |
| jacekowski | rapuyama has same pieces of code i saw in BME | 14:17 |
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| jacekowski | same battery calculations | 14:17 |
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| FireFly | Bleh | 14:18 |
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| jacekowski | hmm, it looks like all agps stuff is handled by rapuyama itself | 14:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | duh | 14:38 |
| alterego | Is there any docs on rapuyama, I@don't actually know what you're on about :P | 14:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: maybe you find some interesting details there: post dated 12-04-2009, 14:16 in http://forum.gsmhosting.com/vbb/archive/t-871875.html | 14:39 |
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| alterego | cellmo? | 14:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | alterego: http://gsmrapid.com/showthread.php?t=4957 | 14:39 |
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| MohammadAG51 | mornin | 14:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | alterego: (I@don't actually know what you're on about) just hacking :-P | 14:39 |
| alterego | Some one should try a fix via wifi and see what happens. The agps data has to be injected somehow ... | 14:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG51: moinmoin | 14:40 |
| alterego | Ello MohammadAG51 | 14:40 |
| khertan_n900 | jacekowski: rapuyama this is not the name of a recipe for stew? | 14:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer | alterego: see my latest post to https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8830 | 14:40 |
| povbot | Bug 8830: Dialer does not accept MMI codes (*#) from 3GPP TS 22.030 | 14:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer | err | 14:41 |
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| DocScrutinizer | sorry not that one | 14:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7026 | 14:41 |
| povbot | Bug 7026: Can't get a GPS lock with several satellites at view | 14:41 |
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| DocScrutinizer | khertan_n900: rapuyama is word for lobster in Finnish afaik | 14:42 |
| khertan_n900 | haha a stew of lobster :) | 14:42 |
| * Corsac mumbles something about ocsp servers not configured | 14:42 | |
| khertan_n900 | does there is a estimation of number of sold n900 in the world | 14:44 |
| khertan_n900 | ? | 14:44 |
| khertan_n900 | i 'm a bit surprize by the number of request i got on my repository ... | 14:44 |
| khertan_n900 | i was thinking that dev tool should interest 1% or less of the n900 user | 14:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | khertan_n900: seem to remember some rumble about 500k sold in first (3?) month(s) | 14:44 |
| khertan_n900 | i was thinking that dev tool should interest 1% or less of the n900 users | 14:45 |
| khertan_n900 | but if i extrapole 3500 * 100 = 3 500 000 n900 sold ? | 14:46 |
| khertan_n900 | a bit huge :) | 14:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | maybe I'm wrong though | 14:46 |
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| toggles_w | khertan_n900: n900 has 3500 friends on facebook ;-) | 14:46 |
| alterego | Doesn't seem like an utterl!yridiculous number. | 14:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | nah, may be in ballpark | 14:46 |
| Corsac | and 1% is a bit large imho | 14:46 |
| khertan_n900 | 3500 is the number of daily update request i got on my repository | 14:46 |
| khertan_n900 | 3500 is the rounded number of daily update request i got on my repository | 14:47 |
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| jacekowski | hmmm | 14:49 |
| jacekowski | does anybody have any idea about glpals.com | 14:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | sure, just find him | 14:49 |
| jacekowski | aaah | 14:49 |
| jacekowski | it's assisted gps server | 14:49 |
| jacekowski | with ephemerides and stuff | 14:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | aah | 14:49 |
| jacekowski | because i found piece of code communicating with it | 14:50 |
| jacekowski | in rapuyama | 14:50 |
| jacekowski | piece of code dealing with gps is HUGE | 14:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | incredible | 14:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | you're sure it's used in normal operation mode of GPS on N900? | 14:50 |
| jacekowski | yep | 14:51 |
| kerio | well, knowing where you are based on rotating lightbulbs in orbit isn't simple | 14:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | that'd petty much explain my findings why AGPS doesn't work without registered GSM | 14:51 |
| jacekowski | h-slp.mnc%03u.mcc%03u.pub.3gppnetwork.org | 14:52 |
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| jacekowski | WTF? | 14:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | kerio: NL5350 is designed to have low demand for CPU calculating power | 14:52 |
| jacekowski | in code again | 14:52 |
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| kerio | port it for the main cpu | 14:52 |
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| DocScrutinizer | SOA ns1.gsmmou.org | 14:55 |
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| DocScrutinizer | server doesn't ping | 14:55 |
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| jacekowski | that's in gps related code | 14:56 |
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| jacekowski | http://wiki.forum.nokia.com/index.php/Assisted_GPS_on_N95 | 14:57 |
| jacekowski | some info here | 14:57 |
| Wolfie | do I have to use Ovi Suite to tether the n900 with my computer, or can I use it with the generic dial-up dialogue, offered by Windows? | 14:57 |
| jacekowski | yeah, it's agps server | 14:57 |
| ShadowJK | I wonder if rapuyama has alot of cruft in it... | 14:57 |
| Wolfie | the *99# connection string seemed to just hang | 14:57 |
| jacekowski | cruft? | 14:57 |
| kerio | Wolfie: i'd just use mobilehotspot | 14:57 |
| Termana | Hmm, interesting. Anyone care to explain why killing Xorg reboots Maemo? :P | 14:57 |
| Wolfie | kerio: i'm not comfortable with a custom kernel | 14:58 |
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| jacekowski | Termana: it's critical app | 14:58 |
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| ShadowJK | Wolfie, I've used generic dial up dialogue for tethering over bluetooth with windows xp.. I think the key thing is that a serial port appears that you can talk to | 14:58 |
| mgedmin | watchdog | 14:58 |
| jacekowski | Termana: you have to ask maemo nicely to stop it | 14:58 |
| jacekowski | no | 14:58 |
| Corsac | jacekowski: h-slp.mnc002.mcc240.pub.3gppnetwork.org doesn't resolve either | 14:58 |
| jacekowski | xorg doesn't have watchdog | 14:58 |
| Wolfie | ShadowJK: the windows 7 does recognize the phone, probably a driver installed by ovi suite... | 14:58 |
| mgedmin | hm | 14:58 |
| jacekowski | ShadowJK: what's a cruft? | 14:58 |
| Corsac | jacekowski: i tried AT&T mnc/mcc and won't resolve | 14:58 |
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| Wolfie | ShadowJK: or, it offers it as a connections method, alongside all the wifi hotspots | 14:59 |
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| jacekowski | ah nvm | 14:59 |
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| jacekowski | i've googled | 14:59 |
| ShadowJK | jacekowski, unused code | 14:59 |
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| Termana | jacekowski, nicely!? Does Maemo not realise who I am!! :P | 14:59 |
| Corsac | jacekowski: might be worth trying to resolve on 3g | 14:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: and you bet there's a butload of it | 14:59 |
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| jacekowski | ShadowJK: 5M binary | 15:00 |
| jacekowski | i'm just wondering how much spyware code is in there | 15:01 |
| * ShadowJK wonders how similar it'd look to CS-15 firmware :-) | 15:01 | |
| jacekowski | cs-15? | 15:01 |
| Corsac | can we get our own imsi somehow? | 15:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | eeh? | 15:02 |
| ShadowJK | http://europe.nokia.com/support/product-support/internet-stick-cs-15-support/software it's "just a modem" | 15:02 |
| Corsac | I mean, is there a way to access it | 15:02 |
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| ShadowJK | N900 was pretty much first nokia modem with 10M/2M support (or whatever it is), and CS-15 followed only weeks after, with similar modem specs, which made me suspect it's the same chip :P | 15:03 |
| Wolfie | bah, it just complains that PPP failed | 15:03 |
| Corsac | oh, mnc/mcc are reported by celltowerinfo anyway | 15:03 |
| Termana | jacekowski, So how do I ask Maemo to "nicely" kill Xorg? | 15:03 |
| alterego | Termana: power button? :P | 15:03 |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: you pinged me? | 15:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: nvm | 15:04 |
| Stskeeps | Termana: type in 'iloveapple' | 15:04 |
| Stskeeps | and iphone os boots up | 15:04 |
| Stskeeps | ! | 15:04 |
| Termana | alterego, Stskeeps, :P | 15:04 |
| Termana | Thank you very much for your help guys *rolls eyes* | 15:04 |
| Termana | :P | 15:04 |
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| Stskeeps | look at upstart commands | 15:04 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 15:04 |
| alterego | Well, whny do you want to stop it? | 15:04 |
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| SpeedEvil | k | 15:05 |
| Termana | alterego, doing some testing and fiddling. | 15:05 |
| SpeedEvil | jacekowski: you're dissasembling the modem fw? | 15:05 |
| SpeedEvil | jacekowski: Or just the bit that talks to rapuyama | 15:05 |
| ieatlint | i'd be impressed if you dumped the modem's fw | 15:05 |
| SpeedEvil | http://www.colorado.edu/geography/gcraft/notes/gps/gps_f.html | 15:05 |
| Bactius | Is joikuspot only available through ovi store now? | 15:06 |
| SpeedEvil | my favourite GPS tutorial that goes into quite a lot of depth | 15:06 |
| Bactius | are/is hmm | 15:06 |
| SpeedEvil | (enough to make your own GPS from duct tape) | 15:06 |
| alterego | Heh | 15:06 |
| kerio | woot! duct tape! | 15:07 |
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| jacekowski | SpeedEvil: rapuyama fw | 15:12 |
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| jacekowski | Termana: stop X or something like that | 15:12 |
| jacekowski | Termana: ls /etc/init.d | 15:12 |
| jacekowski | Termana: one of this scripts there | 15:12 |
| SpeedEvil | jacekowski: neat! | 15:13 |
| jacekowski | i wouldn't call it neat | 15:14 |
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| SpeedEvil | jacekowski: A table of GSM commands supported would also be awesome. | 15:14 |
| SpeedEvil | jacekowski: I would expect from random stuff that the rapuyama basically implements a 'soft modem' for GPS. | 15:14 |
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| jacekowski | SpeedEvil: it's doing a lot more | 15:14 |
| jacekowski | SpeedEvil: rapuyama can pull data from these servers and send it to gps chip | 15:15 |
| SpeedEvil | jacekowski: There are several levels. A) The frontend chip is simply a RF stage that outputs a bitstream representing | 15:15 |
| SpeedEvil | ah | 15:15 |
| SwedeMike | has anyone followed http://n900-ipv6.garage.maemo.org/ and gotten it to work? I find the docs a bit contradicting when it comes to what APN should be entered where, and what APN I should connect to (v4 and v6 will be attached automatically), or the other way around. Using v6 one in connection manager gives connection error, using v4 one yields to gprs1 | 15:15 |
| SpeedEvil | ok - if it's sending anything more than 'change frequency' or skew commands to the GPS chip, this can't be correct. | 15:15 |
| jacekowski | well, i'm not sure what is it doing yet | 15:15 |
| jacekowski | i found code pulling data from these servers | 15:16 |
| Stskeeps | supl.. | 15:16 |
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| an0therb0x | can anyone tell me what the MMS internet connection is ? ...it keeps getting in the way of getting online | 15:17 |
| SpeedEvil | jacekowski: To recap - there are several possible levels the GPS chip might be doing. A) Simply decoding the RF, and running an A/D over the whole stream. The output is something like a 1 bit or 2 bit A/D output at 18Mbaud. This means that rapuyama needs to do all of the 'tuning' in software - everything is virtual, and the GPS chip cannot be meaningfully tuned per satellite. | 15:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | alterego: luke-jr jacekowski: GPS Time is kept as Weeks and Seconds (from Jan. 5 midnight/Jan. 6 morning of 1980.) | 15:18 |
| jacekowski | well, judging from amount of code that's dealing with gps | 15:18 |
| jacekowski | it could be that option A | 15:18 |
| SpeedEvil | jacekowski: B) The GPS chip can have onboard filters and correlators that lock to satellites, but just export this to the DSP. This offloads all of the ultra-hard-realtime from the DSP, but all of the nasty maths is in the DSP - it has to compute all the orbits. | 15:18 |
| * RST38h moos evilly | 15:19 | |
| RST38h | Sooo, gentlemen, are there changes coming to the Nokia corpseland? | 15:19 |
| jacekowski | well, we can ask TI | 15:19 |
| jacekowski | what's in that chip | 15:19 |
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| jacekowski | MTC? | 15:20 |
| alterego | DocScrutinizer: not in the stanza I decoded yesterday it isn't :P | 15:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://www.colorado.edu/geography/gcraft/notes/gps/clkcor.html | 15:21 |
| alterego | DocScrutinizer: though, internally in the cellmo it's probably being converted. | 15:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep | 15:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | possible | 15:21 |
| jacekowski | btw. that battery related code i've found | 15:22 |
| SpeedEvil | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Hammerhead/Integrators - jacekowski - this is an example of some reverse engineering and overview of case B. | 15:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | even inside NL5350 | 15:22 |
| jacekowski | it might explain why cellmo dies when bme is stopped | 15:22 |
| ShadowJK | uh? | 15:22 |
| ShadowJK | it lives for me | 15:22 |
| alterego | Does it? | 15:22 |
| SpeedEvil | jacekowski: http://www.maxim-ic.com/datasheet/index.mvp/id/5241/t/al is an example of class A) | 15:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | cellmo dies on bme stop??? | 15:23 |
| RST38h | ShadowJK: BTW, I have run iostat for 8+ days now. | 15:23 |
| SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: it dies on under 3vish | 15:23 |
| jacekowski | i'm not too worried about gps now | 15:23 |
| RST38h | ShadowJK: Look at the logs does not show any apparent causes for the slowdown | 15:23 |
| ShadowJK | RST38h, what kind of params? | 15:23 |
| RST38h | ShadowJK: But if you (or DocScrutinizer) want the log, I can give it to you for analysis | 15:24 |
| RST38h | ShadowJK: dumping log every 5 minutes | 15:24 |
| ShadowJK | oh that's not very useful or interesting really | 15:24 |
| RST38h | ShadowJK: What would you like to see instead? | 15:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer | swap statistics? | 15:24 |
| ShadowJK | Considering the slowdown as rarely more than 2 seconds long, iostat every second is more useful | 15:25 |
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| RST38h | ShadowJK: Won't be able to do that for 8 days :) | 15:25 |
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| ShadowJK | because then you'd see the peaks where utilization was at 100%, and a snapshot of stats from that particular traffic | 15:25 |
| SpeedEvil | Sigh | 15:25 |
| ShadowJK | I'd expect avg-rq-sz goes down | 15:25 |
| SpeedEvil | I need to get working on my energy profiler | 15:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: what's up? | 15:25 |
| SpeedEvil | which does the above | 15:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | mhm | 15:26 |
| SpeedEvil | Too little energy, too many projects. | 15:26 |
| ShadowJK | Well you wouldn't have to run it 8 days, you just need a "not slow" and a "jerky" snapshot :P | 15:26 |
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| RST38h | ShadowJK: There is one very strange observation though | 15:27 |
| RST38h | ShadowJK: For the swap partition, blks_wrtn is way way higher than blks_read, on the average | 15:27 |
| RST38h | ShadowJK: Looks like it is writing swap madly but reading it rarely | 15:27 |
| SpeedEvil | that's not surprising | 15:28 |
| RST38h | That is with swappiness set to 30 | 15:28 |
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| SpeedEvil | stuff gets swapped out that is rarely used | 15:28 |
| SpeedEvil | there is a large subset of code/data that is never reused. | 15:28 |
| ShadowJK | Well it's kind of surprising in that you'd expect with swap caching effects stuff would be read more often than written | 15:28 |
| RST38h | Yes, but you would expect it to swap it once and keep there, no? | 15:28 |
| RST38h | ShadowJK: Exactly | 15:28 |
| SpeedEvil | RST38h: as I understad, it pushes to disk, but may retain it swap-cached. | 15:29 |
| ShadowJK | RST38h, what about kilobytes read/written? | 15:29 |
| SpeedEvil | this means that it's only read if it's required, and if the page has been evicted from swap-cache | 15:29 |
| RST38h | ShadowJK: That is blocks read/written, multiply by 4k and you get kb | 15:29 |
| ShadowJK | RST38h, iostat -m | 15:30 |
| jacekowski | rapuyama talks AT as well | 15:31 |
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| jacekowski | proper at | 15:31 |
| jacekowski | well, we know that | 15:31 |
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| ShadowJK | mine after a day: Blk_read 1317712 Blk_wrtn 576456, MB_read 643, MB_wrtn 281 | 15:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: dump a list!!! | 15:34 |
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| RST38h | ShadowJK: Mine shows 645/475 | 15:37 |
| ShadowJK | strange :) | 15:37 |
| ShadowJK | oh wait | 15:37 |
| ShadowJK | read/written? | 15:37 |
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| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: accepted :-) | 15:38 |
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| D-Iivil_Work | Hello everyone. | 15:39 |
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| jacekowski | ehhh | 15:40 |
| jacekowski | fuck | 15:40 |
| jacekowski | my offsets are wrong again | 15:40 |
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| D-Iivil_Work | X-Fade, ping | 15:43 |
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| alterego | God I' starting to hate tmo again. | 15:49 |
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| alterego | It got better for a while, but now after seeing that "exciting" news thread and such I'm feeling rather depressed again. | 15:49 |
| D-Iivil_Work | alterego, example? :D | 15:50 |
| D-Iivil_Work | alterego, oops, ment URL :) | 15:50 |
| alterego | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=759628#post759628 | 15:51 |
| alterego | not that post in particular, i don't even know what it says :) | 15:52 |
| D-Iivil_Work | :-D | 15:52 |
| D-Iivil_Work | Hmm... received "promotion for extras unlocked" e-mails for 10 of my packages, but none of those is really promotable, server error is only that's been offered when hitting the "promote" -button :-P | 15:53 |
| GAN900 | DocScrutinizer, pong? | 15:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | GAN900: moinmoin | 15:54 |
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| alterego | Hey GAN900 | 15:56 |
| alterego | Okay, I'm going to pick the coosest luser and attack ... | 15:58 |
| alterego | closest ... | 15:58 |
| achipa | D-Iivil_Work: ping X-Fade | 16:00 |
| ruskie | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/07/22/nokia_manifesto_risku/ <-- hmm | 16:00 |
| achipa | I found a bug in the super-tester algo last night, so there might be a fix needed for the fix | 16:00 |
| SpeedEvil | How does one apply to become a super-tester? | 16:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | wtf *is* a super-tester? XD | 16:01 |
| SpeedEvil | I was planning on going through 20-30 apps today, doing the basic functionality/powertop/... thing. | 16:01 |
| lcuk | ruskie, plenty of innovation around maemo | 16:01 |
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| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: It's a QA tester, that has been given the power of flight by nokia. | 16:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | yikes | 16:02 |
| * SpeedEvil needs to get his hoverboard built. | 16:02 | |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: please don't. We still need you | 16:03 |
| SpeedEvil | :) | 16:03 |
| SpeedEvil | I lack the $60000 anyway. | 16:03 |
| alterego | The N900 is pretty much the reference platform for any R&D projects. | 16:03 |
| alterego | Because it's so easy to hack and mod .. | 16:03 |
| ruskie | lcuk, the article and I guess the book are a good read imho | 16:03 |
| alterego | fcam for instance :) | 16:03 |
| ruskie | lcuk, I have no issues with lack of innovation with the n900 ;) | 16:04 |
| SpeedEvil | In some ways the docs are the most dissapointing part. | 16:04 |
| ruskie | lcuk, the absence of symbian makes that rather obvious ;) | 16:04 |
| SpeedEvil | Pointing out missing stuff that the community could do would be awesome | 16:04 |
| SpeedEvil | would have been | 16:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | isn't it always the crappy docs? | 16:05 |
| lcuk | ruskie, there is plenty of innovation tho | 16:05 |
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| SpeedEvil | I am waiting to be able to install LiqOS on my n900. | 16:05 |
| SpeedEvil | That will be so cool! | 16:05 |
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| * ruskie considers dbus udev and other stuff a step backwards... but that's just me | 16:06 | |
| ruskie | anyway I'm off | 16:06 |
| lcuk | o_O | 16:06 |
| lcuk | SpeedEvil, LiqOS hmmm | 16:07 |
| SpeedEvil | I'm unsure why dbus isn't in the kernel personally | 16:07 |
| SpeedEvil | Or at least core functionality like 'star' sockets | 16:07 |
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| alterego | dbus is desktop .. | 16:08 |
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| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: To more sanely anseer the question. | 16:08 |
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| alterego | I'm not saying it wouldn't be useful in the core OS, but it is meant for desktop. I can't think of any server software that uses dbus. (enterprise server software) | 16:09 |
| SpeedEvil | Supertesters are worth three times what a normal tester is. | 16:09 |
| SpeedEvil | They are assumed to have clue. | 16:09 |
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| RST38h | Speed: you mean if I kill 4 supertesters I get 12 points rasther than 4? | 16:14 |
| RST38h | Speed: are they hard to kill? Will BFG-9000 work? | 16:15 |
| tybollt | ;-) | 16:15 |
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| lcuk | RST38h, supertesters only become visible on level 2 and above | 16:16 |
| lcuk | and once you get through them, you reach the end of level boss ( andre__ ) | 16:16 |
| RST38h | lcuk: that is ok | 16:16 |
| RST38h | andre is tough indeed | 16:16 |
| RST38h | FBReader 0.10.7.-13 promoted to Extras | 16:16 |
| jacekowski | where are these download graphs on maemo.org? | 16:17 |
| lcuk | ~RST38h++ | 16:17 |
| lcuk | RST38h, any idea why Russia would be so gaa gaa over the latest inverse AR video of mine | 16:18 |
| lcuk | youtube is showing russia as a strikingly different color to other countries | 16:18 |
| RST38h | lcuk: That's easy | 16:19 |
| RST38h | lcuk: A link has been posted to maemos.ru and probably to habrahabr.ru | 16:19 |
| RST38h | lcuk: Second one is like a Russian version of Slashdot so no wonder | 16:19 |
| lcuk | ahh and just because theres no real links elsewhere yet | 16:20 |
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| lcuk | its just so different, click on the view count and see the breakdown http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjSrwpbxyAM | 16:20 |
| lcuk | RST38h, thanks though, i didnt know what the sites were cos I couldnt read the language | 16:20 |
| RST38h | lcuk: http://maemos.ru/2010/07/17/liqbase/ | 16:21 |
| lcuk | cool thanks | 16:22 |
| SpeedEvil | lcuk: 4chan isn't real? | 16:23 |
| lcuk | lol yeah ok | 16:24 |
| lcuk | SpeedEvil, that thread was really amusing | 16:24 |
| lcuk | they even came up with a new word! | 16:24 |
| lcuk | >>The Magic must use magnets. How how do they work????? | 16:24 |
| lcuk | ITT Maemodynamics | 16:24 |
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| alterego | Heh | 16:28 |
| alterego | magnets, modern magick | 16:28 |
| jacekowski | http://maemo.org/download-stats/index.php?unixname=chromium&os=Maemo5&repo=extras | 16:29 |
| jacekowski | hmm | 16:29 |
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| jacekowski | why does it still have some downloads? | 16:31 |
| drizztbsd | chromium is removed iirc | 16:31 |
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| Arkenoi | drizztbsd, why? | 16:38 |
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| frals | jacekowski: last download at like 6th of june? | 16:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | dl statistics as odd as it can get | 16:44 |
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| RST38h | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/07/22/nokia_manifesto_risku/ | 16:48 |
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| SpeedEvil | Were all versions pulled? | 16:50 |
| SpeedEvil | Or can you still download old versions? | 16:50 |
| Arkenoi | "he was head of Symbian user experience design" | 16:51 |
| Arkenoi | oh no | 16:51 |
| kerio | :S | 16:52 |
| Arkenoi | ?The last job I had at Nokia was head of innovation and ?concepting? ? how to get ideas from concept into real products. | 16:52 |
| kerio | (what's wrong with user interfaces btw? why are they experiences?) | 16:52 |
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| Arkenoi | 12 years with nokia communicators and every single one failed to become "real product". all were semi-usable "concepts" (though there was alost no competition so you stuck with it anyways) | 16:53 |
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| SpeedEvil | user experience differs from user interface in that it brings in externalities IMO. | 16:54 |
| SpeedEvil | For example - if you have a nice shiny beautiful UI, that sucks from a UX POV - as it doesn't work just like the iphone. | 16:55 |
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| Arkenoi | ?We went to the US with the E-series. Mary McDowell worked with that, but nothing happened, and it ramped down. So there is no Enterprise Solutions anymore. Nothing is managed. McDowell is so high level she doesn't know about the content and the substance.? | 16:58 |
| Arkenoi | So Nokia gave up the enterprise? What a shame. It sucks. | 16:59 |
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| lcuk | thats shockingly :( there are so many potential commercial applications and markets for devices \@/ | 17:00 |
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| Arkenoi | if nokia had reasonable enterprise strategy they could easily beat shit out of RIM | 17:04 |
| Arkenoi | everywhere except maybe US and Canada | 17:04 |
| kerio | well, the US sucks | 17:04 |
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| lcuk | Arkenoi, everywhere no exceptions | 17:06 |
| GAN900 | kerio, first hand experience there, I guess? :) | 17:06 |
| kerio | GAN900: O:) | 17:07 |
| Arkenoi | i talked to many people about enterprise email solutions. they always tell me "there is Blackberry, it is easy to deploy". "Do you guys know that Nokia has enterprise email solutions and device provisioning as well? - Huh? Well, never heard of it, everyone just uses BB". | 17:09 |
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| GAN900 | Nokia doesn't cater to the US market | 17:13 |
| GAN900 | Nokia support in the US market sucks | 17:13 |
| GAN900 | There's no advertising | 17:13 |
| GAN900 | Updates for US devices come 6 months after the rest of the planet. | 17:13 |
| alterego | Who decided to make the internet available to every idiot on the planet :( | 17:13 |
| * alterego blames GAN900 | 17:13 | |
| GAN900 | Nokia doesn't poorly in the US because they're either too incompetent/lazy/misguided to do well. | 17:14 |
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| ieatlint | they ran a number of n95-3 ads here back when that came out | 17:14 |
| alterego | They just don't like the US :P | 17:14 |
| ieatlint | but yeah, that's about it :P | 17:15 |
| Termana | Why do you need the US when you've got Europe? | 17:15 |
| ieatlint | not too easy to move a third of the way around the world and try to get a work visa | 17:16 |
| GAN900 | Termana, because we've got money too? | 17:17 |
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| GAN900 | And doing poorly in the US affects your perceptions--and, thus, stock prices--everywhere. | 17:17 |
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| Termana | I said NEED, not WANT. Nokia might WANT more money from the US but they don't NEED it. | 17:17 |
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| Termana | Yes, well the US sucks. The US tries to export culture | 17:17 |
| GAN900 | If their current performance is any measure, I'd say you're wrong. | 17:18 |
| ieatlint | nah, nokia made a huge blunder in the US | 17:18 |
| GAN900 | OK then. | 17:18 |
| GAN900 | ieatlint, just one? | 17:18 |
| ieatlint | i was on an nokia n80 phone back in 2006.. when the iphone hit in 2007, i had people showing me what "cool new features" their phone supported that mine had been doing for over a year | 17:18 |
| RST38h | Arkenoi: The guy is talking some sense in the interview though | 17:18 |
| RST38h | Arkenoi: Symbian or not, he makes sense | 17:19 |
| GAN900 | Termana, the US doesn't TRY to export culture, it's just that it's successful and success tends to bleed over. | 17:19 |
| ieatlint | their advertising was a MAJOR fail, and they lost huge amounts of market share and money for it | 17:19 |
| RST38h | GAN900: ...and there are no other guys trying to export culture =) | 17:19 |
| ieatlint | and yeah, the US does export culture... want proof? look for a mcdonalds near you, or tell me what the last movie you saw was | 17:19 |
| RST38h | Although Japanese are starting to do very well lately ;) | 17:19 |
| RST38h | ieatlint: Mine was Russian. So? | 17:20 |
| * RST38h cackles sadistically | 17:20 | |
| GAN900 | Besides, exporting culture spreads peace and prosperity around. | 17:20 |
| ieatlint | RST38h: that's just sad | 17:20 |
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| RST38h | GAN: Not necessarily, I am afraid | 17:21 |
| GAN900 | Bay Watch and McDonalds do more for spreading democracy than any UN stupidity. ;) | 17:21 |
| alterego | GAN900: tell that to afghanistan | 17:21 |
| GAN900 | RST38h, in the long wrong. | 17:21 |
| GAN900 | alterego, tell them what? | 17:21 |
| ech0Asus | mornin' | 17:21 |
| GAN900 | alterego, military isn't culture. | 17:21 |
| alterego | That spreading US culture spreads peace and prosperity ... | 17:21 |
| RST38h | GAN: You know, for example, where Russian teenagers learned the word "nigger" from? Take a wild guess ;) | 17:21 |
| ech0Asus | what? | 17:21 |
| ech0Asus | lol | 17:22 |
| * ieatlint makes no such claim and quietly backs out of this conversation | 17:22 | |
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| RST38h | GAN: and of course there is a lot more examples like that, I have just given you the most blatant one | 17:23 |
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| ech0Asus | i think we shouldn't try and spread our ideals on others.. as long as they aren't trying to kill me i have no issue with them. | 17:23 |
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| ech0Asus | but if they kill us fuck it blow up their whole country and just be done with it | 17:23 |
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| ech0Asus | i think this whole playing nice thing is weak.. we should of just blow up all of the middle east and been done with it long ago.. no one would of cared. | 17:24 |
| alterego | ech0Asus: you'd punish a whole country mass murdering potentially millionsm because a couple of people want to hurt you? That's pathetic ... | 17:24 |
| alterego | ech0Asus: I think a lot of people would have cared. | 17:25 |
| ech0Asus | they want us or them so give it to them | 17:25 |
| ieatlint | i think ech0Asus is right, let's take those texas fuckers out | 17:25 |
| alterego | Anyway, no politics in #maemo please ... | 17:25 |
| alterego | You know the rules :P | 17:25 |
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| ech0Asus | our country is ran by pussies.. we should of blown them all up | 17:26 |
| ieatlint | bah, i'm an american, rules are for the rest of you | 17:26 |
| alterego | Heh | 17:26 |
| GAN900 | RST38h, yes, because nobody was rascist before 1776? ;) | 17:26 |
| alterego | ech0Asus: seriously stfu | 17:26 |
| GAN900 | ech0Asus, entangling foreign engagements. | 17:26 |
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| GAN900 | ech0Asus, we don't need them. | 17:27 |
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| Po0ky | e/w 18 | 17:27 |
| GAN900 | Anyway, point is, there's nobody to blame for Nokia doing poorly in the US but Nokia. | 17:27 |
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| Kegetys | lets blow up nokia, that seems to solve everything | 17:28 |
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| lcuk | Kegetys, GTFO theres no need for such talk, joking or not | 17:29 |
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| Kegetys | lcuk: nokia is more valuable than the whole middle east? | 17:31 |
| akssps011 | If my application requires som external libraries for execution, are they required to be installed specifically in scratchbox even if they are already installed on my system ? | 17:31 |
| GAN900 | Kegetys, it may depend on whether we get upper management in the blast or not. . . . :rolleyes: | 17:31 |
| GAN900 | Kegetys, who's blowing up the whole middle east? | 17:32 |
| lcuk | akssps011, scratchbox is a computer within a computer | 17:32 |
| alterego | akssps011: yes, if you're compiling against them they need to be linked. | 17:32 |
| ech0Asus | i'd much rather prefer the quicker route then the long drown out route we've taken.. stick and move.. don't occupy.. | 17:32 |
| lcuk | yes, if dependencies are required inside, what you have outside is not taken into account | 17:32 |
| alterego | akssps011: unless you're using dlopen :) | 17:32 |
| Kegetys | ech0Asus seems to think it would be a good solution | 17:32 |
| alterego | ech0Asus: is an idiot racist. | 17:33 |
| GAN900 | alterego, interesting conclusion. | 17:33 |
| * GAN900 didn't realize "Middle Eastern" was a race. | 17:33 | |
| ech0Asus | i'm not racist i just prefer quick direct action such as blowing up a good chunk of the middle east all together rather then this long drawn out bullshit were stuck in.. | 17:33 |
| alterego | This is why we don't talk about politics here. | 17:33 |
| alterego | GAN900: you're trolling :P | 17:34 |
| akssps011 | alterego: lcuk: my app requires qt libraries and gpsd,(they are already on my system). So I need to install them in scratchbox also ? | 17:34 |
| alterego | akssps011: yes | 17:34 |
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| GAN900 | alterego, not, I just favor rationality in rejection of viewpoints one disagrees with. | 17:34 |
| * lcuk wonders whether anyone ever listens ;) | 17:34 | |
| akssps011 | alterego: ah ok....so much work still to do then :) | 17:34 |
| alterego | Okay, he sounds like a racist :) because he sounds like a nazi nationalist. | 17:35 |
| alterego | Or a texan ... | 17:35 |
| ech0Asus | im texan | 17:35 |
| tybollt | I'm not a racist - I hate everyone equally :) | 17:35 |
| alterego | Well, there's my answer I guess. | 17:35 |
| alterego | tybollt: my sentiments | 17:35 |
| ieatlint | haha, texan... | 17:36 |
| alterego | ^.^ | 17:36 |
| ieatlint | called that correctly | 17:36 |
| jacekowski | fuck yeah | 17:36 |
| GAN900 | alterego, yeah, don't reveal your own bias so quickly. :) | 17:36 |
| jacekowski | Image authentication OK | 17:36 |
| ech0Asus | they assume we wont just blow them all up one day... they keep this shit up one of us texans will get back in power and we wont pussyfoot around like bush.. | 17:36 |
| alterego | GAN900: I thought it was popular knowledge the avg Texan is a racist homophobic nationalist. | 17:37 |
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| GAN900 | alterego, and everybody from the UK is gay and has bad teeth? | 17:37 |
| ech0Asus | say what you want were just the ones with the balls to do what you aint man enough to do. | 17:37 |
| joga | sigh... | 17:37 |
| ieatlint | no, they're not all gay, but they do have terrible food | 17:38 |
| alterego | GAN900: well, probably. | 17:38 |
| Termana | And everyone from Australia says G'day Mate | 17:38 |
| ech0Asus | we got an express lane to our death penalty we don't care here | 17:38 |
| GAN900 | alterego, :P | 17:38 |
| Termana | Wait hold on that doesn't work... thats true! :P | 17:38 |
| alterego | ech0Asus: if go and do it then. Show the world your ballz. | 17:38 |
| joga | I just read an article about Juggalos...I wonder why I recalled that right now | 17:38 |
| GAN900 | alterego, anyway, my point is that broad-brush stereotype painting doesn't tend to serve anybody well. :P | 17:38 |
| ieatlint | joga: haha | 17:39 |
| ieatlint | how do magnets work, anyway.. | 17:39 |
| ech0Asus | bush was weak | 17:39 |
| Kegetys | why didnt you blow him up | 17:39 |
| Kegetys | would have solved it! | 17:39 |
| joga | the reptilians don't need to rush things | 17:39 |
| lcuk | GAN900, well once you start with the broad brush dissing everyone at nokia for not caring - then what are people to do | 17:39 |
| alterego | GAN900: I agree. But ech0Asus is a stereotype :P | 17:39 |
| GAN900 | joga, have you checked your chakras today? | 17:39 |
| Termana | Don't we have something better to talk about than politics and blowing people up? | 17:39 |
| joga | GAN900, I borrowed them to a friend | 17:40 |
| ech0Asus | should of attacked harder and been done with it | 17:40 |
| ech0Asus | was a weak compaign and has taken too long | 17:40 |
| alterego | ech0Asus: you went in as hard as you thought you needed too, it was the arrogance that meant you lost. | 17:40 |
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| alterego | ech0Asus: sign up then. Show people your balls. | 17:41 |
| ieatlint | i for one and truly thankful that i was not born in texas | 17:41 |
| ieatlint | bleh, am truly | 17:41 |
| alterego | Hah, agreed. | 17:41 |
| ech0Asus | you can't change anything if you sign up then your just a tool | 17:41 |
| GAN900 | lcuk, I dissed Nokia as a company. | 17:41 |
| joga | oh, here's the article if anyone else wants to read it http://www.viceland.com/int/v14n10/htdocs/land_of_juggalos.php | 17:41 |
| GAN900 | lcuk, not every individual in said company. | 17:41 |
| ech0Asus | you want to change something you have to be a politician | 17:41 |
| GAN900 | lcuk, revisionism serves noone well. | 17:41 |
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| ech0Asus | i have respect for people who sign up. i have family there.. they can't change anything they are just a forced to be there.. | 17:42 |
| alterego | ech0Asus: that's exactly what they want you to think. Who's the pussy, you or the olitician. Beacause it sounds like you're being a bit of a hipocrite ... | 17:43 |
| lcuk | GAN900, then stop broad brushing a whole company - it upsets those that are trying hard to make a difference | 17:43 |
| ech0Asus | they have to change it themselves.. we should of been gone until we leave they can't rebuild | 17:43 |
| alterego | ech0Asus: you shouldn't have gone in to begin with. | 17:43 |
| joga | but that's not the agenda is it | 17:43 |
| ech0Asus | if they rebuild and come at us againt hen we blow them the fuck up again.. | 17:44 |
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| joga | WE | 17:44 |
| ieatlint | i'm starting to think he's really just trolling | 17:44 |
| alterego | Heh, | 17:44 |
| ieatlint | if not ... well, that's just sad | 17:44 |
| joga | internet is often sad and full of dumb | 17:44 |
| akssps011 | alterego: lcuk: When I run sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list, I get error: sudo: must be setuid root | 17:44 |
| alterego | 911 was @tragedy, but the US is culpable for being so complacent about it. | 17:44 |
| jacekowski | ech0Asus: you've got a nigger president | 17:45 |
| ech0Asus | no we shouldn't of went to iraq.. but afghanistan we should of and we should of blown the shit out of it and then been gone | 17:45 |
| akssps011 | alterego: lcuk: I run it in [sbox-FREMANTLE_X86: ~] | 17:45 |
| jacekowski | ech0Asus: you're not allowed to say anything | 17:45 |
| joga | btw, why do people say "should of" instead of "should have" | 17:45 |
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| ech0Asus | i didn't vote for him | 17:45 |
| Kegetys | isn't that what started it, making a mess of afghanistan during the cold war | 17:45 |
| jacekowski | joga: that's not proper english | 17:45 |
| toggles_w | joga: palin education | 17:46 |
| alterego | ech0Asus: why do you think you should have gone to afghanistan? | 17:46 |
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| alterego | Kegetys: exactly ... | 17:46 |
| lcuk | akssps011, try fakeroot instead of sudo, scratchbox is not just a regular chroot, and you should be reading the dev guide | 17:46 |
| lcuk | or even better | 17:46 |
| jacekowski | ech0Asus: do you know that only thing americans were able to prove to saddam was that his army killed 50 civilians | 17:46 |
| lcuk | edit your source as user | 17:46 |
| alterego | The US general public don't even realise it's their own fault .. | 17:46 |
| GAN900 | lcuk, the COMPANY clearly doesn't care. | 17:46 |
| alterego | Well, their leaders fault. | 17:46 |
| ech0Asus | i said we shouldn't go to iraq jace.. | 17:47 |
| GAN900 | lcuk, I'm sorry you're working for a company that doesn't, but that's not really my problem. | 17:47 |
| jacekowski | ech0Asus: do you know that american army killed 10000x more civilians | 17:47 |
| ech0Asus | bin laden was in afghanistan | 17:47 |
| GAN900 | lcuk, you should know I don't lump everybody in the same basket. | 17:47 |
| Kegetys | and who gave bin laden his power? | 17:47 |
| ech0Asus | we let him escape | 17:47 |
| alterego | ech0Asus: Bin Laden is a cartoon character. | 17:47 |
| GAN900 | jacekowski, the terrorist's have clearly succeeded, then. | 17:47 |
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| alterego | He's a fictitious leader your gov't used as a label to make you think that an organisation called Al Queda exists | 17:48 |
| ech0Asus | you deny the existance of it? | 17:48 |
| ech0Asus | lol aight | 17:48 |
| akssps011 | lcuk: ok, fakeroot worked :) | 17:48 |
| ech0Asus | thats very open minded | 17:48 |
| GAN900 | alterego, denialism? | 17:48 |
| alterego | Hah, whatever .. | 17:48 |
| ech0Asus | i bet you deny the holocaust too huh | 17:48 |
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| lcuk | ech0Asus, Kegetys alterego ---------------------------------------- | 17:48 |
| alterego | Hahah | 17:49 |
| lcuk | subject change | 17:49 |
| alterego | I'm going to make a sandwich ... | 17:49 |
| lcuk | remember to use fakeroot | 17:49 |
| Termana | alterego, sudo make me a sandwich | 17:49 |
| alterego | fakeroot make sandwich | 17:49 |
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| GAN900 | lcuk, who's the guy who always jumps in to tell people not to blame Maemo Devices for the idiocy up top? | 17:51 |
| jacekowski | GAN900: not really | 17:51 |
| jacekowski | GAN900: terrorists only want to kill americans | 17:51 |
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| GAN900 | jacekowski, is that a fact? | 17:51 |
| jacekowski | GAN900: well, i don't have anythign against that | 17:52 |
| GAN900 | jacekowski, I might ask France for their opinion on that one. | 17:52 |
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| joga | have them pick between an american and a hatchet or 10 pounds of food and we'll see | 17:52 |
| SpeedEvil | With a hatchet, you can always get 100 pounds of food from someone. | 17:52 |
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| joga | ok, the hatchet will break after one use ;) | 17:53 |
| GAN900 | SpeedEvil, yeah, but top predators are full of heavy metals. | 17:53 |
| joga | (and the american will take it back unless you take it) | 17:53 |
| joga | s/take it/chop the american/ | 17:53 |
| infobot | joga meant: (and the american will chop the american back unless you take it) | 17:53 |
| joga | heh | 17:53 |
| SpeedEvil | GAN900: Especially lead, if you don't use a hatchet. | 17:53 |
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| RST38h | Nice antiamerican flame you have got here. | 17:56 |
| * RST38h goes for more popcorn | 17:56 | |
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| jacekowski | and they are stupid cunts | 17:58 |
| GAN900 | The "Nokia has exciting news" thread has me on the edge of my seat | 17:58 |
| GAN900 | jacekowski, classy. | 17:58 |
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| RST38h | What? News not exciting enough? | 17:58 |
| GAN900 | jacekowski, shall I classify that as a personal attack? | 17:58 |
| RST38h | A bit too late, like 6 months too late? =) | 17:58 |
| tybollt | RST38h: that's fuinny comming from a ruskie :P | 17:58 |
| RST38h | tybollt: I am well beyond national affiliations | 17:59 |
| tybollt | GAN900: what exciting news? Care to link me? :) | 17:59 |
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| RST38h | But can always appreciate a good flame | 17:59 |
| tybollt | Agreed. | 17:59 |
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| GAN900 | RST38h, it's bound to end in disappointment. | 18:00 |
| GAN900 | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=58884 | 18:00 |
| toggles_w | GAN900: 1st meego device | 18:00 |
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| GAN900 | fcam? | 18:00 |
| GAN900 | Ahaha | 18:00 |
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| GAN900 | I love Nokia's marketing | 18:00 |
| GAN900 | They're so clueless. | 18:01 |
| RST38h | GAN: True | 18:01 |
| RST38h | But they have to market SOMETHING, right? | 18:01 |
| jacekowski | did i told everyone about my journey to US embassy | 18:01 |
| tybollt | GAN900: ta | 18:01 |
| RST38h | And by now, they have got some really psyched customers | 18:02 |
| RST38h | jacekowski: Were you shot at by the Marines? | 18:02 |
| RST38h | jacekowski: Have you got strip searched? | 18:02 |
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| RST38h | jacekowski: May we hope for an anal cavity search, maybe? =) | 18:02 |
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| Venemo | hi guys! | 18:03 |
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| jacekowski | no, bitch there, without asking question, just decided that i'm not going to get a visa | 18:03 |
| Venemo | who is behind the facebrick app? | 18:04 |
| GAN900 | I wouldn't give you a visa, either. | 18:04 |
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| jacekowski | you must be american then | 18:04 |
| RST38h | jacekowski: Some weird Pole, probably seeking to immigrate | 18:04 |
| RST38h | jacekowski: No visa for you. What if you marry an American? | 18:05 |
| jacekowski | hell no | 18:05 |
| jacekowski | too fat | 18:05 |
| RST38h | Shit, what if you GIVE BIRTH to an American? Noo, you are not getting a visa. | 18:05 |
| jacekowski | i would rather jump off the bridge than give birth to american | 18:05 |
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| Venemo | ~seen w00t_ | 18:06 |
| infobot | w00t_ is currently on #maemo (5d 3m 45s) #meego (5d 3m 45s). Has said a total of 27 messages. Is idling for 19h 3m 1s, last said: 'ShadowJK: never mind, phones under £500 don't exist'. | 18:06 |
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| RST38h | That good American gal who refused you a visa probably got promoted to a DHS supervisor just for filtering you out | 18:06 |
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| derf | She didn't need to ask you questions. | 18:09 |
| derf | The CIA already knows everything about you. | 18:09 |
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| Corsac | they just idle here and log | 18:09 |
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| Jaffa | What's the relationship between fcam and BlessN900? Since the latter seems to predate the former by a good few weeks but does everything I read in the "exciting" press release | 18:10 |
| derf | Of course, it being America, one wonders how anyone at the INS ever found out. | 18:10 |
| derf | *how | 18:10 |
| RST38h | Jaffa: No relationship | 18:10 |
| RST38h | Jaffa: Two different projects, one is a tool for making photos, another is a photo framework + a few sample tools | 18:10 |
| RST38h | INS is no more | 18:11 |
| RST38h | It is BSCIS, part of DHC now | 18:11 |
| RST38h | DHS, sorry. | 18:11 |
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| Jaffa | RST38h: That's what I suspected. Which makes the "exciting" even less exciting when someone did it themselves, without said framework, weeks ago. | 18:11 |
| derf | You mean USCIS? | 18:11 |
| RST38h | Yea, shit, I am forgetting those names | 18:11 |
| derf | Well, "BS" is probably appropriate. | 18:12 |
| RST38h | For simplicity, let us just call them VROE | 18:12 |
| tybollt | GAN900: uhm wtf is that? Ok that seems like a fairly nice app - so what? What is the "exciting news"? | 18:12 |
| RST38h | WROE -> welfare recipient opportunity employer | 18:12 |
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| RST38h | Jaffa: FCam is actually a more abitious project | 18:15 |
| RST38h | Jaffa: With the right UI and all features under one app, it will make a killer camera app | 18:15 |
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| alterego | RST38h: especially with plugin support and good UX with a polished look & feel. | 18:17 |
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| GAN900 | tybollt, Nokia's marketing building up people up for no reason. | 18:17 |
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| RST38h | alterego: I would prefer UI to plugins | 18:18 |
| RST38h | alterego: there is still a limited set of things you can or need to do with photos | 18:18 |
| alterego | Yeah, if I was a more learned hptographer I'd probably have a go at that app myself. | 18:19 |
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| RST38h | alterego: What prevents you? Writing an app has nothing to do with photography | 18:21 |
| nid0 | well, it does | 18:21 |
| RST38h | alterego: You know what settings are available there, and what algorithms. Present them to the user in the best way, and you have got a killer app | 18:21 |
| alterego | I was sort of thinking that myself. | 18:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | Jaffa: I found both blessn900 (0.29 and 0.31) and fcam being inferior to PR1.2 genuine cam | 18:22 |
| alterego | And I do have a little knowldge in optics I wolrked in CCTV for Tyco for over two years :) | 18:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | lcuk talked me into doing a more comprehensive test on all three, eventually. preliminary results on ovi/joerg900 | 18:23 |
| lcuk | Jaffa, RST38h DocScrutinizer - whatever the technical results, one thing is clear: innovation and new principles are coming through. | 18:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep, no doubt | 18:25 |
| lcuk | the fcam project is the nicest imho, because it is open source | 18:25 |
| RST38h | lcuk: You are starting to talk like Texrat :) | 18:25 |
| lcuk | blessn900 is a closed source port of another cam project elsewhere | 18:25 |
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| lcuk | RST38h, GTFO | 18:25 |
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| * RST38h feeds lcuk bacon | 18:26 | |
| alterego | hah | 18:26 |
| Jaffa | lcuk: Indeed. | 18:27 |
| lcuk | mmm bacon | 18:27 |
| tybollt | GAN900: Like "zOMG Apple is getting so much BUZZ out there - we need to do something - quick!"? :) | 18:28 |
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| alterego | Apple's buzz/noise is no new thing. It just all souunds like boring static to me. | 18:29 |
| alterego | I don't actually understand how their marketting works. But I'm not a meerkattier. | 18:29 |
| RST38h | tybollt: Rather "well, these are first guys i a while who do somethign new with n900, let us present them as a surprise" | 18:30 |
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| alterego | RST38h: one of them is Nokia R&D | 18:30 |
| alterego | The project is pushed by Nokiia too. | 18:30 |
| alterego | They supplied hardware etc. | 18:31 |
| alterego | Maybe even funding. | 18:31 |
| RST38h | alterego: Nokia R&D is how they found out about the project, of course :) | 18:31 |
| RST38h | alterego: If *you* did something like that, it would not be marketed by Nokia | 18:32 |
| alterego | Indeedly | 18:32 |
| ieatlint | oh god, this conversation is still going on? | 18:32 |
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| tybollt | RST38h: hehehe :) | 18:33 |
| * slonopotamus doesn't understand what's going on | 18:33 | |
| flashn | my n900 just died | 18:35 |
| flashn | >:( | 18:35 |
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| flashn | or rather, cant get it too charge/boot up after charging | 18:35 |
| flashn | only tried via USB though.. | 18:35 |
| flashn | anyone had similar problems? | 18:35 |
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| ShadowJK | Did you leave it connected to pc? | 18:36 |
| tybollt | flashn: use the wall socket charger | 18:36 |
| tybollt | flashn: let it charge for ATLEAST two hours | 18:36 |
| tybollt | then try to turn it on | 18:36 |
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| flashn | yeah, gonna try that | 18:36 |
| flashn | ShadowJK, nope | 18:37 |
| flashn | more like Im always out of battery so its probably just way-way drained | 18:37 |
| flashn | >:D | 18:37 |
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| ieatlint | as i recall, the phone can't boot without enough battery power to sustain the boot process... so definitely don't bother trying to turn it on | 18:38 |
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| RST38h | give it power for 30 minutes or so then try booting again | 18:38 |
| flashn | that didnt help, I have had it connected to my laptop for 1-2 hours now | 18:39 |
| ieatlint | is the charging led flashing? | 18:39 |
| RST38h | connected it to the wall | 18:40 |
| flashn | yes, but irregulary | 18:40 |
| RST38h | s/connected/connect | 18:40 |
| flashn | thanks, gtg | 18:40 |
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| ShadowJK | irregulary? any short flashes of the led? short, possibly dim blinks | 18:41 |
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| tybollt | sjk: there ought to be a led blink decipher diagram some place | 18:42 |
| tybollt | or is it praps regular morse code? ;-P | 18:43 |
| ShadowJK | it's just the the charger has direct connection to the LED through its stat pin, and will announce fault with a 200microsecond pulse, which can be seen on the led if you look for it | 18:44 |
| ShadowJK | can be seen when you unplug charger | 18:45 |
| ShadowJK | that'd be the "input undervoltage fault" blink ;p | 18:45 |
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| DocScrutinizer | flashn: forget USB. Use Nokia original wallcharger! charge for 30min, do NOT try to boot, after 30 min amber steady LED will go out -> replug charger to N900 and do another cycle (though usually should boot before first cycle finished) | 19:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer | flashn: irregular flashing of amber indicator most probably means your PC host got issues with charging the N900. It won't work anyway on flat battery, so use genuine charger! | 19:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | n900 is not designed to recover from deep discharge on arbitraty power source | 19:06 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: hmmm | 19:07 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: i found charging code in rapuyama | 19:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | needs a decent usb dedicated charger compliant with most recent USB chaging supplement | 19:07 |
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| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: no wonder, rapuyama is designed for standalone systems, without any application processor or PMU/chargerchip | 19:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer | you'll probably even find videodrivers | 19:08 |
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| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: and code is direct copy&paste from bme | 19:11 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: or other way round | 19:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | MUHAHAHA lol | 19:11 |
| jacekowski | that's why rapuyama needs BSI | 19:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | the most funny case of c&P coding and cargocult implicit I heard of for years | 19:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'd bet it's cellmo=father bme=son | 19:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | toldya I heard bme is like 10 years old | 19:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | full of cruft | 19:13 |
| jacekowski | btw. strings on that code will reveal some other shit as well | 19:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | and generally nobody knows what's going on in it | 19:13 |
| jacekowski | like names of all networks | 19:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | networks like in...? | 19:14 |
| jacekowski | t-mobile | 19:14 |
| jacekowski | o2 | 19:14 |
| jacekowski | that sort of | 19:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | duh, that's lame | 19:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | I knew there are like 3 or 4 sources of network name, modem firmware just one of them | 19:15 |
| jacekowski | there are couple more things | 19:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | then you usually got a table in userspace as well, and network itself sends 2 versions every once in a while: shortname and fullname | 19:16 |
| kerio | old technology... tsk tsk | 19:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | kerio: gsm is like >20 years old | 19:17 |
| kerio | yeah | 19:17 |
| kerio | and thus needs a whole subsystem of crust | 19:17 |
| kerio | *ft | 19:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | you bet it does | 19:17 |
| jacekowski | oh yeah | 19:17 |
| jacekowski | bt stac | 19:17 |
| jacekowski | bt stack** | 19:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | toldya | 19:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | you'll also find USB stack and drivers | 19:18 |
| kerio | let's run everything on it | 19:18 |
| jacekowski | yeah, but that's used | 19:18 |
| kerio | disable the main cpu | 19:18 |
| kerio | awesome powersaving | 19:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | btw those are *probably* even in use, as I guess some of the testpoints are LV-USB to rapuyama | 19:19 |
| jacekowski | that wouldn't be bad idea | 19:19 |
| jacekowski | i mean like mosixlike thing | 19:19 |
| jacekowski | so when there is no requirement for loads of processing power everything is moved to rapuyama | 19:19 |
| jacekowski | and main cpu powered down | 19:19 |
| jacekowski | and back when more power is requried | 19:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | we thought about that on FR | 19:20 |
| achipa | Jaffa: bless is closed, fcam is FOSS | 19:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | alas the ARM cores are incompatible, and so is the OS | 19:20 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: virtualisation | 19:20 |
| jacekowski | and rapuyama is omap based | 19:20 |
| * DocScrutinizer cackles | 19:21 | |
| jacekowski | so it has to be compatible | 19:21 |
| jacekowski | i found smartreflex drivers | 19:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | not too sure about that | 19:21 |
| jacekowski | unless rapuyama controlls other omap chip | 19:21 |
| jacekowski | because omap chips are only chips with smartreflex | 19:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'd expect it to be a much smaller CPU ARM core, with 'older' instruction set | 19:22 |
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| jacekowski | explain smartreflex drivers then | 19:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | OMAP doesn't mean cortex-A8 | 19:23 |
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| timeless_mbp | https://defect.opensolaris.org/bz/show_bug.cgi?id=14223 | 19:23 |
| povbot | Bug 14223: was not found. | 19:23 |
| jacekowski | well, it's compatible enough | 19:23 |
| * timeless_mbp sighs | 19:23 | |
| mgedmin | garage.... | 19:23 |
| mgedmin | didn't they buy new servers like last year? | 19:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | timeless_mbp: what's wrong with solaris? | 19:23 |
| mgedmin | it shouldn't take 15 seconds to log in and display the news page | 19:24 |
| timeless_mbp | the sad thing is, that a 1 character change change took 6 months | 19:24 |
| jacekowski | ok, now it's time to pray | 19:24 |
| timeless_mbp | which is still 3x faster than the time it'd take here @nokia | 19:24 |
| timeless_mbp | and that's if it gets fixed at all | 19:24 |
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| * DocScrutinizer shouts for a virgin to sacrifice | 19:24 | |
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| jacekowski | time to hack some serial | 19:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | timeless_mbp: heh, starhash got 'official' Nokia ITSFIXEDNOW approval, so what do you complain about XP | 19:26 |
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| timeless_mbp | what's starhash? | 19:26 |
| jacekowski | ussd | 19:26 |
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| DocScrutinizer | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=756257#post756257 | 19:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | bug #8830 | 19:27 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8830 Dialer does not accept MMI codes (*#) from 3GPP TS 22.030 | 19:27 |
| akssps011 | I tried apt-get install libgps-dev in scratchbox, but it says couldn't find package.. the same works fine outside scratchbox. How can I resolve this ? | 19:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer | btw could "someone" please fix that friggin cert on bugs.maemo.org. I mean you know it'll expire one day, didn't you? | 19:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | X-Fade: ^^^ | 19:28 |
| TomaszD | good day again | 19:29 |
| GAN900 | DocScrutinizer, like I said yesterday. It's a not-so-subtle hint that it's not worth your time to file bugs. :P | 19:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | mhm | 19:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | nevertheless I found it funny Naba Kumar (Nokia) announced starhash on ticket 8830, not me | 19:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | so maybe not completely worthless | 19:31 |
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| akssps011 | So, do I need to add any repo to sources.list (I am using kubuntu 10.04) for scratchbox given the face that the package I am trying to install is in repository | 19:32 |
| akssps011 | Can anyone advise on that ? | 19:32 |
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| crashanddie_ | GAN900: the simple fact that anyone would let a certificate expire is quite scary though | 19:33 |
| alterego | Oh my that was horrible | 19:33 |
| crashanddie_ | GAN900: don't Nokia do stuff like security and stuff? | 19:33 |
| GAN900 | crashanddie, mmm | 19:34 |
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| alterego | Just had my abscess "lanced" .. | 19:34 |
| alterego | I feel about 2 pounds lighter | 19:34 |
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| GAN900 | alterego, why the hell are you keep an abcess? | 19:34 |
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| alterego | There was blood, puss, guts, screaming. I thought people were dying | 19:34 |
| crashanddie_ | GAN900: I'll be pissing myself when the repo certs expire :P | 19:34 |
| alterego | I've only had it a few days. | 19:34 |
| alterego | But the antibiotics weren't bringing it down enough. So I went in today to get it drained. | 19:35 |
| GAN900 | Ouch | 19:35 |
| alterego | As I can't really operate feeling like I've got a golf ball in my mouth | 19:35 |
| GAN900 | alterego, well, hopefully you feel better soon. | 19:35 |
| crashanddie_ | why do you need "to get it drained"? | 19:35 |
| alterego | Yeah | 19:35 |
| crashanddie_ | just stick in a needle in and push | 19:35 |
| GAN900 | Hehe | 19:35 |
| alterego | I literally walked out the dentist five minutes ago, still got the guass in my mouth | 19:36 |
| crashanddie_ | GAN900: can I make you jealous about my ISP, just a tiny bit more? | 19:36 |
| GAN900 | crashanddie_, dunno, I got 40/5 at home. | 19:36 |
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| crashanddie_ | GAN900: I have a static IP at home, which kinda sucks when watching things on megavideo and stuff | 19:36 |
| crashanddie_ | GAN900: but, they launched a "sharing service" where I can log in to other networks using a personal identifier (so, if I'm somewhere in the city, and need to connect, I can) | 19:37 |
| crashanddie_ | now, here's the beauty | 19:37 |
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| crashanddie_ | I can connect to my own access point, using those codes... And everytime I do, I get a brand new IP address, session-based :D | 19:37 |
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| crashanddie_ | but that's not all. I can watch 300 TV channels, as soon as I'm connected to the access points. And as soon as I have wifi, I call for free :) | 19:39 |
| crashanddie_ | Heck, I can rip buffy the vampire slayer in russian with polish subtitles using my n900! | 19:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | but: does it blend?? | 19:39 |
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| crashanddie_ | DocScrutinizer: $5k+ thanks to the bidding wars between the three companies. Fourth company coming into play too. | 19:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | you're in a mood to make everybody hate you today? | 19:41 |
| crashanddie_ | oh yes :) | 19:41 |
| crashanddie_ | It's my clarkson-face. | 19:42 |
| khertan_n900 | Hi Again ! | 19:42 |
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| khertan_n900 | does it s me ? or there isn t any good todo apps for n900 ? | 19:43 |
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| khertan_n900 | I ve the feeling there is less and less dev talk on mailing list, forum, irc ... | 19:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer | crashanddie_: congrats anyway | 19:50 |
| Myrtti | khertan_n900: Lynoure was making one | 19:50 |
| peb_ | hi Khertan, why not SSH to your (home) server and using the todo.sh script from lifehacker/Gina there? That's what I'm doing .. | 19:51 |
| khertan_n900 | hum ? did you have a name ? | 19:51 |
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| Myrtti | huh? | 19:54 |
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| * mgedmin is using Conboy for his todos | 19:59 | |
| mgedmin | or not using it, more often | 19:59 |
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| luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: how goes BME replacement? | 20:11 |
| luke-jr | getting bme_RX-51 running in Gentoo seems not easily done | 20:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer | you bet it's not | 20:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | hal-addon-bme (for bat chrge state etc) not even planned. For charging you found a script written by pancake that should do for now | 20:13 |
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| MohammadAG51 | same goes for ubuntu | 20:13 |
| MohammadAG51 | indeed, it only needs a led indicator and a USB detection part | 20:13 |
| MohammadAG51 | first part was taken care of, i'll youtube it later | 20:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I'm idly about to throw together some bits respeting that | 20:14 |
| MohammadAG51 | basically, 0-255-0 for all LEDS | 20:14 |
| luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: I thought you wrote it? | 20:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | orly? | 20:14 |
| luke-jr | ... | 20:15 |
| MohammadAG51 | lol | 20:15 |
| MohammadAG51 | didn't you? | 20:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | sarcasm doesn't perform well on IRC | 20:15 |
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| luke-jr | it's ok | 20:15 |
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| luke-jr | if my battery explodes, I'll flatten the pancake instead of you | 20:15 |
| luke-jr | :) | 20:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: no worries, won't happen | 20:16 |
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| luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: any idea on getting Ofono working too? | 20:16 |
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| DocScrutinizer | no (not yet?) | 20:16 |
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| DocScrutinizer | probably will support FSO instead :-P | 20:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer | the middleware framework which ofono refused to pick up / join / collaborate as they claimed "it's just a stupid way to talk AT to modem" OWTTE | 20:18 |
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| luke-jr | FSO? | 20:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | (now it seems like trophy for limited functionality / scope is clearly awarded not to fso) | 20:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | freesmartphone.org | 20:20 |
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| DocScrutinizer | when I asked in #meego-meeting about evaluation and decision oFono vs FSO, I was told "we'll stick with oFono for first release, you're free to contribute with patches later, to improve architecture". So meh | 20:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | NIH screwit | 20:25 |
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| alterego | What's FSO? | 20:29 |
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| dos1 | alterego: http://freesmartphone.org/ | 20:30 |
| SpeedEvil | http://www.pcworld.idg.com.au/article/354124/new_kraken_gsm-cracking_software_released/ | 20:30 |
| SpeedEvil | On GSM. | 20:30 |
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| dos1 | alterego: aka "better oFono which was already there before oFono" :P | 20:30 |
| alterego | Heh | 20:31 |
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| dos1 | btw, i can't find any proper documentation to oFono's dbus API | 20:31 |
| dos1 | only txt files in git repo, which suck in readability | 20:32 |
| luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: well, if FSO's git worked, it sounds like they have data working, which is all I need... | 20:32 |
| alterego | Isn't ofono telepathy? | 20:33 |
| luke-jr | no | 20:33 |
| luke-jr | telepathy is middleware | 20:33 |
| luke-jr | I wish someone had a good telepathy client | 20:34 |
| luke-jr | at the current rate, I'm going to have to write one :P | 20:34 |
| alterego | Heh | 20:34 |
| alterego | It's too fluid to nail down :/ | 20:34 |
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| luke-jr | Telepathy-Qt4 includes an example apparently capable of video calls | 20:35 |
| luke-jr | so it might not be too hard | 20:35 |
| alterego | Heh, so ofono.org's idea of docs is a system overview diagram? :D | 20:35 |
| dotblank | is the wiki running really slow? | 20:36 |
| Robot101 | alterego: what do you mean fluid? | 20:36 |
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| Robot101 | harden the fsck up - most telepathy changes for the past 3-4 /years/ have been additive | 20:36 |
| luke-jr | alterego: that's what I said :p | 20:36 |
| alterego | Robot101: moving about like a fidgitty kid | 20:36 |
| Robot101 | if anything we're /too/ stable | 20:36 |
| luke-jr | alterego: their git code *does* have some minimal docs tho | 20:37 |
| Robot101 | we need to deprecate a bunch of stuff | 20:37 |
| alterego | At least that's what I see telepathy, the interesting parts are changing | 20:37 |
| Robot101 | the spec is not minimal, it's too long :P | 20:37 |
| alterego | Most of the examples don't work because things have changed and no one bothered to update the examples. | 20:37 |
| alterego | So the example code and docs aren't always in sync | 20:37 |
| luke-jr | Robot101: the thing that annoys me about Telepathy is the glib dependencies >:O | 20:37 |
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| luke-jr | I don't *want* glib *installed* | 20:38 |
| alterego | luke-jr: why not? glib is cool :P | 20:38 |
| Robot101 | ofono uses glib, you need to, er, get over it. sorry. :P | 20:38 |
| lcuk | luke-jr, i am surprised you even use a computer | 20:38 |
| luke-jr | alterego: glib is garbage | 20:38 |
| alterego | Symbian has glib :) | 20:38 |
| luke-jr | Robot101: FSO? | 20:38 |
| alterego | luke-jr: how is it garbage? | 20:38 |
| luke-jr | alterego: it's part of the GTK/GNOME stack | 20:38 |
| Robot101 | you do realise python can't even use d-bus without glib? | 20:38 |
| alterego | luke-jr: it's the base of the stack | 20:38 |
| luke-jr | Robot101: Python is crap too | 20:39 |
| Robot101 | FSO is Python | 20:39 |
| alterego | luke-jr: don't bring desktop wars into this | 20:39 |
| luke-jr | alterego: it's got a slow select loop | 20:39 |
| * Robot101 might take felipec's approach to this conversation actually | 20:39 | |
| alterego | luke-jr: then use select .. | 20:39 |
| luke-jr | alterego: and it hijacks C | 20:39 |
| Robot101 | luke-jr is a known and effective g* troll | 20:39 |
| alterego | :/ | 20:39 |
| luke-jr | FSO is Python??? wtf? :( | 20:39 |
| alterego | Bit stupid if you ask me. | 20:39 |
| Robot101 | telepathy is primarily a d-bus API - if you want to not use glib please write new backends in Qt | 20:39 |
| Robot101 | we're happy to help | 20:39 |
| alterego | I like gnome, and I don't like KDE, but I don't mind Qt. | 20:39 |
| alterego | And Qt is much larger than glib. | 20:40 |
| luke-jr | Robot101: D-Bus originated with Qt/KDE | 20:40 |
| Robot101 | meanwhile, we have about 30 man years' worth of investment which is might be actually more useful to use than talk unmitigated bullshit on IRC | 20:40 |
| luke-jr | Qt is much saner than glib | 20:40 |
| Robot101 | D-Bus originated with RedHat | 20:40 |
| luke-jr | Robot101: yes, that's why I'm putting up with glib :/ | 20:40 |
| alterego | luke-jr: that's bullshit | 20:40 |
| * slonopotamus thinks luke-jr messes up glib with gobject | 20:40 | |
| Robot101 | anyway, I'm out of this conversation, luke-jr has tricked me before | 20:40 |
| luke-jr | Robot101: D-Bus has its roots in KDE's DCOP | 20:40 |
| Robot101 | have fun kids | 20:40 |
| Stskeeps | have a good evening, Robot101 | 20:40 |
| luke-jr | slonopotamus: gobject is part of glib | 20:40 |
| slonopotamus | gobject is crap :) | 20:40 |
| alterego | glib is tiny, does small abstractions, Qt Core contains stuff that should be in Qt Gui .. | 20:41 |
| alterego | Bad abstraction .. | 20:41 |
| slonopotamus | luke-jr: it's separate shared object. so you can use glib and not use gobject | 20:41 |
| alterego | But I still like it .. | 20:41 |
| luke-jr | alterego: let's all move to liqbase | 20:41 |
| lcuk | we all have an appendix, even nature cannot get abstractions right | 20:41 |
| alterego | :) | 20:41 |
| luke-jr | slonopotamus: I can't mask gobject without masking glib | 20:41 |
| slonopotamus | alterego: tiny??? its equal to glibc in size | 20:41 |
| lcuk | luke-jr, patches welcome! :D | 20:41 |
| alterego | blah blah blah, we make do with what we've got. | 20:42 |
| alterego | If you don't like it, then do something else that's better, and boy, it better be better or you'll just be wasting your time. | 20:42 |
| luke-jr | alterego: I would, if I had time. :) | 20:42 |
| luke-jr | but I don't have time, so glib is a battle I lose | 20:42 |
| luke-jr | I can accept that, though I won't be happy about it | 20:42 |
| alterego | Anyhow, they're not exactly comparable, glib caters for C, Qt caters for C++ | 20:42 |
| alterego | glib was designed to allow the easy binding of other languages to gobjects OOP model. | 20:43 |
| alterego | Qt wasn't. | 20:43 |
| alterego | So, I guess there are issues with forces too. | 20:43 |
| luke-jr | Qt is a language of its own | 20:43 |
| alterego | I do like what it does to C++ | 20:44 |
| slonopotamus | luke-jr: to be honest, C++ is crap. | 20:44 |
| alterego | All languages are crap, when used out of context. | 20:45 |
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| luke-jr | slonopotamus: sure | 20:45 |
| luke-jr | I like C and Qt, but not the intermediate C++ | 20:45 |
| luke-jr | :) | 20:45 |
| derf | lcuk: The appendix is actually useful. | 20:46 |
| lcuk | and so is glib :P | 20:46 |
| MohammadAG51 | bwaaaaa | 20:47 |
| MohammadAG51 | i dropped my N900 yesterday and now the slider has a small gap | 20:47 |
| alterego | MohammadAG51: :( | 20:48 |
| alterego | Do you have insurance? | 20:49 |
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| MohammadAG51 | nope, it's not bad, till i f with it | 20:49 |
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| lcuk | MohammadAG51, :( | 20:49 |
| TomaszD | I've had my n900 go through at least for 4x4 racing events, it had dirt in it, a couple of dents and scratches, but works fine still :) | 20:49 |
| TomaszD | *four | 20:49 |
| TomaszD | :) | 20:49 |
| lcuk | you mean its off its rail | 20:49 |
| lcuk | does it slide correctly? | 20:49 |
| MohammadAG51 | mine? yeah | 20:49 |
| MohammadAG51 | it's normal | 20:49 |
| MohammadAG51 | but it moves 1mm or so | 20:49 |
| lcuk | oh, mine does that | 20:50 |
| lcuk | the screen does not actually align properly anymore | 20:50 |
| lcuk | i dropped it playing n900fly | 20:50 |
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| slonopotamus | lcuk: how unexpected! | 20:50 |
| lcuk | hiya igagis \o ltns | 20:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | Robot101: FSO is not python, it's vala | 20:50 |
| lcuk | slonopotamus, i started wrapping it in a sleeping bag after that | 20:50 |
| lcuk | i think i got about 3.5 metres or something | 20:50 |
| alterego | lcuk: omfg you played that? | 20:51 |
| alterego | I thought that was the most retarded idea for an app I've ever heard .. | 20:51 |
| igagis | lcuk hi | 20:51 |
| slonopotamus | lcuk: it needs public website with top throwers listed, i think | 20:52 |
| igagis | lcuk what is "\o ltns"? :) | 20:52 |
| lcuk | "\o" == me waving hello | 20:52 |
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| lcuk | ltns == long time no see | 20:52 |
| Wolfie | waving hand, and "long long time no see"? | 20:52 |
| slonopotamus | \o ??? oh my, head is empty :/ | 20:53 |
| igagis | lcuk ah, yeah | 20:53 |
| luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: wtf is vala | 20:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | FSO is written in Vala, a modern object oriented programming language that compiles to C – thus giving you the maximum performance. | 20:54 |
| slonopotamus | luke-jr: vala is just another crap, don't worry | 20:54 |
| slonopotamus | luke-jr: it is based on gobject | 20:55 |
| luke-jr | ... | 20:55 |
| luke-jr | I'll stick to Ofono I guess | 20:55 |
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| timeless_mbp | lcuk: so | 20:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | mhm, because C is worse than glib? | 20:56 |
| timeless_mbp | http://dsmip6-tls.nokia.net/ — don't try this at home if you don't have an official n900 :( | 20:56 |
| * timeless_mbp got a boot loop | 20:57 | |
| luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: gobject is glib | 20:57 |
| slonopotamus | luke-jr: btw. don't you use kde? it has hard dep on glib | 20:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | who said gobject? | 20:57 |
| slonopotamus | timeless_mbp: there are unofficial n900s? | 20:57 |
| alterego | I thought you could do glib without gobject .. | 20:57 |
| lcuk | timeless_mbp, you havent got an official n900? | 20:58 |
| alterego | That is, you don't need gobject to do glib .. | 20:58 |
| luke-jr | slonopotamus: no, it doesn't. | 20:58 |
| timeless_mbp | lcuk: it's allocated to a real person | 20:58 |
| lcuk | you are not real? | 20:59 |
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| timeless_mbp | no, i'm a cog working for an employer | 20:59 |
| slonopotamus | luke-jr: willikins says kscreensaver and system-settings do. | 20:59 |
| timeless_mbp | who doesn't believe i have real feelings or anything | 20:59 |
| slonopotamus | s/m-s/ms | 20:59 |
| lcuk | ok, timeless_mbp onto the real thing | 20:59 |
| lcuk | ipv6 !!! | 20:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer | LOL @ DSMIPv6 | 20:59 |
| lcuk | there were hushed rumours and desires about wanting complete stack at fosdem | 21:00 |
| luke-jr | slonopotamus: KDE is bloat too | 21:00 |
| luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: ? | 21:00 |
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| alterego | timeless_mbp: | 21:01 |
| * alterego raises hand ( :P ) | 21:01 | |
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| timeless_mbp | ? | 21:02 |
| timeless_mbp | the ipv6 trial is available to anyone w/ an n900 afaict | 21:02 |
| alterego | (believes you don't have real feelings) | 21:02 |
| alterego | I think you're a robot. | 21:02 |
| timeless_mbp | i sent an email from timeless@gmail | 21:02 |
| timeless_mbp | and got an account | 21:02 |
| alterego | ipv6 trial? | 21:02 |
| timeless_mbp | http://dsmip6-tls.nokia.net/ | 21:03 |
| timeless_mbp | it's an ipv6 stack for the n900 | 21:03 |
| luke-jr | timeless_mbp: modprobe ipv6 | 21:03 |
| timeless_mbp | which has an interesting PoP in ca.us | 21:03 |
| luke-jr | wfm | 21:03 |
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| timeless_mbp | luke-jr: w/o an interesting PoP, there's no real way for me to figure out if it's doing something useful | 21:03 |
| luke-jr | ... | 21:04 |
| luke-jr | 64 bytes from 2001:41c8:0:854::16: icmp_seq=1 ttl=58 time=305 ms | 21:04 |
| luke-jr | happy? | 21:04 |
| timeless_mbp | nah | 21:04 |
| timeless_mbp | useful = using browser ;) | 21:04 |
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| luke-jr | well if the browser doesn't use it, that's *your* fault :P | 21:04 |
| timeless_mbp | actually | 21:05 |
| timeless_mbp | according to their page it should work | 21:05 |
| timeless_mbp | and from memory we didn't disable ipv6 | 21:05 |
| timeless_mbp | too much effort, no gain | 21:06 |
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| timeless_mbp | unless you count complaints from people who enable ipv6 that the browser doesn't work as a gain | 21:06 |
| * timeless_mbp most certainly does not | 21:06 | |
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| luke-jr | IPv6 should always be enabled | 21:07 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I'll use a PoP in USA the day when hell freezes | 21:09 |
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| flux | particularly 'mobile' is the interesting bit of the previous url, no? | 21:10 |
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| flux | I thought mobile ip was buried these days, haven't heard of it for a while | 21:10 |
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| alterego | So they don't have it for Symbian? :D | 21:11 |
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| flux | but it would be nice to have. I have similar capabilities by using vpn, but of course that's not as optimal as working mobile ip would be. | 21:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer | What can you do with this client installed | 21:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | ... | 21:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | 4. You can browse US only web sites like hulu.com since the MN is acnhored via an HA located in the US | 21:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | 99. You can have lots of fun with US legislation an civil jurisdiction, like e.g DMCA, homeland security, younameit | 21:17 |
| flux | they don't appear to provide home agent | 21:17 |
| flux | so I'm not sure how real mobile ip are we talking about, if you don't have multiple home agents | 21:17 |
| flux | so it's basically the same as a vpn-based solution.. | 21:18 |
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| * DocScrutinizer waits for Nokia and Google comparing on first onion server | 21:20 | |
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| DocScrutinizer | s/first/who's got first one | 21:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | lemme try again | 21:21 |
| * DocScrutinizer waits for Nokia and Google competing on who's first to get his onion server up and running | 21:21 | |
| Venemo_ | what is an onion server? | 21:22 |
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| flux | I guess they refer to something like tor | 21:22 |
| * alterego puts on his hat ... | 21:22 | |
| alterego | I've got an idea. A BUNION SERVER! | 21:22 |
| RST38h | Arkenoi | 21:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://www.google.de/search?q=tor+onion | 21:24 |
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| chadi | is there packet injection on some custom kernel or not yet? | 21:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer | seems doesn't work with chipset | 21:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | afaik | 21:26 |
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| * alterego wonders if this month Vodafone will start charging him .. | 21:26 | |
| alterego | Last month I used up 10.759G of data ... | 21:27 |
| steinex | alterego: why? | 21:27 |
| steinex | i actually wonder the same -.- | 21:27 |
| alterego | Well, I'm on unlimited data contract, but they're removing that. | 21:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | alterego: they got some fair use policy, no? | 21:27 |
| steinex | i se | 21:27 |
| steinex | see* | 21:27 |
| alterego | So I've been expecting them to change things soon. | 21:27 |
| alterego | DocScrutinizer: yeah, My monthly average is probably 10-15G | 21:27 |
| alterego | Had this contract for about 15 months | 21:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | too high I guess | 21:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | wonder how you manage to eat 15G | 21:28 |
| alterego | DocScrutinizer: well, they've not complained to me yet. I've just heard a lot of people getting phone calls about being moved onto a 1G contact | 21:28 |
| alterego | ~contract | 21:28 |
| alterego | 1G capped, they're removing FUP apparently. | 21:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | FUP is something like "don't use >5G for >2 consecutive months" | 21:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | iirc | 21:29 |
| alterego | Heh | 21:29 |
| alterego | Well, I've easily exceeded that ;) | 21:30 |
| alterego | The thing is this is my home internet connection. | 21:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer | over 3G? o.O | 21:30 |
| alterego | Yup | 21:30 |
| alterego | I get about 2 sometimes 2.5 megabit | 21:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | 3G router? or mobile internet dataplan? | 21:31 |
| alterego | It's just part of my mobile contract, 600 minutes, unlimited texts, unlimited internet. | 21:31 |
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| alterego | So my N900 is my mobile and my modem :) | 21:31 |
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| h4xordood | heya :) finally i buyed n900 | 21:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | so they will eventually ask how you manage to blast 15G thru that SoC and do reasonable things with it | 21:34 |
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| Venemo_ | hey h4xordood | 21:34 |
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| Venemo_ | do you like it? | 21:34 |
| h4xordood | yeah :) | 21:34 |
| h4xordood | i am thinking why i waited | 21:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | prepare for this to change :-) | 21:35 |
| mortini | heh. yeah. | 21:35 |
| h4xordood | :p | 21:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | either you LOVE it in 4 weeks or you are disappointed | 21:35 |
| h4xordood | hey i am trying running java app | 21:36 |
| h4xordood | install icedtea6 | 21:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | for me N900 is best thing since sliced bread, and I built similar devices before I got the N900 | 21:37 |
| alterego | DocScrutinizer: the contract was actually for an N96 ;) | 21:37 |
| mortini | DocScrutinizer: eh, i'm kind of in between, some thing i like (that i have a commandline to do stuff) and some things i hate (the mail client blows) | 21:37 |
| h4xordood | its just awsome | 21:37 |
| h4xordood | :) | 21:37 |
| alterego | I took out another contract for the N900, which my girlfriend uses, I just swapped sims (internet obviously) | 21:37 |
| mortini | just using telnet and raw imap commands would be better than modest. | 21:37 |
| alterego | h4xordood: glad you like it :) | 21:38 |
| alterego | mortini: well do that then. | 21:38 |
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| DocScrutinizer | mortini: :-P | 21:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | mortini: at least you're free to do that | 21:38 |
| mortini | sorting email is so 1990's | 21:38 |
| mortini | i actually started writing my own :P | 21:38 |
| h4xordood | even i want to learn development on this | 21:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation | 21:39 |
| Venemo_ | h4xordood: see Nokia Qt SDK | 21:39 |
| h4xordood | vennemo altergo :)hey | 21:40 |
| chadi | DocScrutinizer: neopwn have a fully working packet injection, they patched the wlan drivers on their kernel | 21:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer | chadi: damn, so they did it? | 21:40 |
| h4xordood | i am trying to run agent from mail.ru | 21:41 |
| chadi | DocScrutinizer: they have a "teasing" video on their website | 21:41 |
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| h4xordood | need to tlk with friends in russia | 21:41 |
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| h4xordood | but after install icedtea6 | 21:42 |
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| Venemo_ | what is icedtea6? | 21:42 |
| dannym | hi | 21:42 |
| Venemo_ | hi | 21:42 |
| h4xordood | i did java -jar file.jar | 21:42 |
| dannym | Venemo_: Java | 21:42 |
| h4xordood | icedtea6 is java | 21:42 |
| Venemo_ | java runtime for the N900? | 21:42 |
| h4xordood | open jdk | 21:42 |
| akssps011 | I am not able to install anything in scratchbox using apt-get install. How do I resolve this ? | 21:42 |
| Venemo_ | sounds good | 21:42 |
| Venemo_ | does it run java applets in the browser, too? | 21:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | akssps011: resolv.conf I think | 21:43 |
| dannym | akssps011: is there any error message? | 21:43 |
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| akssps011 | DocScrutinizer: dannym: it only says: Reading package lists... Done | 21:44 |
| akssps011 | Building dependency tree... Done | 21:44 |
| akssps011 | E: Couldn't find package libgps-dev | 21:44 |
| h4xordood | i havent tried yet :) ve | 21:44 |
| dannym | akssps011: try adding more repositories | 21:44 |
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| dannym | akssps011: (for example in the graphical package manager) | 21:44 |
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| DocScrutinizer | *swooooosh* | 21:44 |
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| akssps011 | dannym: how ? | 21:45 |
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| dannym | akssps011: edit /etc/apt/sources.list to be like this: | 21:45 |
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| dannym | akssps011: (like on the page at <http://pastebin.com/mjF4zsND>) | 21:46 |
| akssps011 | dannym: ah, no ubuntu repo in it. that's the problem. thanks :) | 21:46 |
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| dannym | :) | 21:51 |
| dannym | hmm, can someone try to compile <http://www.scratchpost.org/software/patch/PdfDefaultCharMap.cpp> in scratchbox (with gcc -c)? For me, that makes ld.so use up 100% cpu and 1GB ram and it never finishes O_o - but works fine outside of scratchbox | 21:52 |
| mgedmin | C++ is a fine language, ain't it? | 21:53 |
| mgedmin | they must be laughing there in hell | 21:53 |
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| DocScrutinizer | :-P | 21:54 |
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| DocScrutinizer | heard one of the c++ gurus "there's probably 3..5 really competent c++ coders in this world" | 21:56 |
| alterego | ld.so using 100% CPU you f*ing what:? | 21:56 |
| dannym | alterego: well, it does. Don't ask me what it needs the linker for when I do "gcc -c", but hey... | 21:57 |
| dannym | DocScrutinizer: heh :) | 21:57 |
| dannym | alterego: at least it is correlated. When I start "gcc -c", shortly afterwards, "ld.so" appears in "top". When I Ctrl-C it (works), then "ld.so" disappears from "top" | 21:59 |
| dannym | probably one of these weird backdoor-in-the-compiler thingies :-> | 21:59 |
| alterego | Oh, you mean 'ld' .. | 22:00 |
| alterego | ld is the linker | 22:00 |
| dannym | I know :) | 22:00 |
| dannym | so what is it doing linking when I tell it to compile (and explicitly, too) | 22:00 |
| dannym | why* | 22:01 |
| RST38h | Doc: C++ gurus ought to be exterminated with extreme prejudice | 22:01 |
| RST38h | Doc: Personally, I would like to start with the guy who came up with STL. | 22:01 |
| * DocScrutinizer wonders idly whether to aim promotion to extras for *#-ena | 22:01 | |
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| SpeedEvil | http://www.nickscipio.com/pod/2010/07/18/the-holy-trinity/ - not worksafe site - mostly worksafe page. Sort-of-ontopic. | 22:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | lo SpeedEvil | 22:02 |
| RST38h | Speed: nasty | 22:02 |
| RST38h | why have they taken the apple from Jobs' hand? | 22:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | I particularly like Steve's halo | 22:04 |
| RST38h | Bill's is better | 22:04 |
| RST38h | looks like it can be used for targe practice | 22:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer | "...want to take an apple and smash this window" - neat | 22:21 |
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| kerio | sticky mod keys are annoyingly inconsistant | 22:23 |
| RST38h | ~ | 22:23 |
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| kerio | i have è, mute grave accent, à and mute acute accent on the same key | 22:24 |
| alterego_ | Damnit. | 22:24 |
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| kerio | as key, shift+key, fn+key and fn+shift+key | 22:24 |
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| kerio | but pushing shift and then pushing è gives me È | 22:24 |
| RST38h | Their latest creation, called The End of History, is a 110 proof beer that comes packaged in a variety of small stuffed animals. | 22:25 |
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| merlin1991 | can it be, that the wiki is down? | 22:28 |
| luke-jr | sure | 22:28 |
| Venemo | kerio: for me, Fn+Enter = Ú | 22:28 |
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| Venemo | kerio: and the Sym key is not sticky for the enter key | 22:29 |
| merlin1991 | I dunno, whenever when I need it the wiki is down, same goes for the freakin debian page | 22:30 |
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| microlith | man, a new battery makes a world of difference | 22:33 |
| luke-jr | there, got a strace for sscd to GPS+gprs | 22:35 |
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| alterego | Oh | 22:48 |
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| Wizzup | Does maemo have an audio recording with vox? (voice operated switch) | 22:53 |
| Wizzup | So it only records when the sound is above a certain level | 22:53 |
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| corecode | as what would my micro sd card usually show up? | 22:54 |
| corecode | and how do i find out what's wrong with it? | 22:54 |
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| lbt | X-Fade: is the wiki dead? | 22:57 |
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| jacekowski | yep it is | 23:00 |
| jacekowski | couple hours now | 23:00 |
| jacekowski | but it looks like it's some sort of overload | 23:00 |
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| FredrIQ | hi | 23:01 |
| FredrIQ | when i run ssh | 23:01 |
| FredrIQ | and type some command | 23:01 |
| FredrIQ | a "+ (command)" is displayed before any output | 23:02 |
| jacekowski | prompt? | 23:02 |
| FredrIQ | and this is also shown when it runs autorun-scripts (/etc/profile, etc) | 23:02 |
| jacekowski | it's probably pront | 23:02 |
| jacekowski | prompt | 23:02 |
| FredrIQ | [~]$ hejsan | 23:02 |
| jacekowski | but make a screenshot | 23:02 |
| FredrIQ | + hejsan | 23:02 |
| jacekowski | hmm, that's not prompt | 23:02 |
| FredrIQ | strange prompt | 23:03 |
| FredrIQ | hm, ok | 23:03 |
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| FredrIQ | $PS4 seems to have this | 23:03 |
| FredrIQ | hm, yea, changing it results in another displayed | 23:04 |
| FredrIQ | but why is this displayed at all? | 23:04 |
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| user | hi there | 23:07 |
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| guille_ | which is the bus name for the system events? | 23:09 |
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| DocScrutinizer | FredrIQ: set +vx | 23:10 |
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| FredrIQ | thanks | 23:10 |
| guille_ | (actually i'm looking for the key eb | 23:11 |
| guille_ | events), sorry | 23:12 |
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| RST38bis | Hohoho, I have finally got to the tracker.cfg and made the damn thing shut up | 23:43 |
| ham5 | whoohooo | 23:43 |
| RST38bis | Miraculously, I can use the camera now. | 23:43 |
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| lcuk | wtf | 23:46 |
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| lcuk | evening tigert \o | 23:48 |
| lcuk | have you tried fcam yet? | 23:48 |
| RST38bis | lcuk: well, low memory mode was set to false, and activity level to highest | 23:49 |
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| lcuk | RST38bis, thats a bit odd | 23:49 |
| lcuk | i was actually wtfing at making my phone appear to be off | 23:49 |
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| RST38bis | lcuk: not odd, overly optimistic | 23:49 |
| RST38bis | ah ok | 23:49 |
| SpeedEvil | btdtgtwdr | 23:49 |
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| lcuk | scratch that, totally dead :S | 23:50 |
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| SpeedEvil | A way to have another X session on composite would be awesome | 23:53 |
| lcuk | SpeedEvil, hmm? | 23:53 |
| lcuk | you mean another local instance ? | 23:54 |
| SpeedEvil | a completely independant X | 23:54 |
| MohammadAG51 | umm | 23:54 |
| SpeedEvil | or at least desktop | 23:54 |
| MohammadAG51 | two servers can run | 23:54 |
| MohammadAG51 | X servers | 23:54 |
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| SpeedEvil | yes - I don't think they can access the hardware at the same time though. | 23:54 |
| SpeedEvil | For obvious reasons. | 23:54 |
| MohammadAG51 | hmm, well, my PC can, but that's a shitty measure to see what can/'t be done | 23:55 |
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| DocScrutinizer | separate framebuffers | 23:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | for LCD and AV | 23:55 |
| SpeedEvil | The graphics hw - on my brief skims - would need X to know about the other X when setting up. | 23:55 |
| SpeedEvil | There are seperate buffers | 23:56 |
| SpeedEvil | or can be | 23:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer | yeah, +There are | 23:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer | raster found that I seem to remember | 23:56 |
| lcuk | with a standalone X11, it would also allow standalone inpuy wouldnt it | 23:56 |
| lcuk | input | 23:56 |
| lcuk | ie, one person using n900 keyboard + n900 lcd | 23:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | yup | 23:57 |
| lcuk | another using the tvout+bt keyboard | 23:57 |
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| DocScrutinizer | should work, sure | 23:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | if cfgd correctly | 23:57 |
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| DocScrutinizer | you'd need to tell primary to keep fingers off BT | 23:57 |
| lcuk | yeah | 23:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | rsp the kbd driven via BT | 23:58 |
| * lcuk is still confused why Russia N90 users are going gaga for my video | 23:59 | |
| lcuk | N900 even :P | 23:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | ooh only Russians? | 23:59 |
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