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| frommyphone | oops | 00:00 |
| SpeedEvil | http://www.colorado.edu/geography/gcraft/notes/gps/gps_f.html | 00:00 |
| SpeedEvil | GPS overview - quite good | 00:00 |
| frommyphone | does the softqare matter so much on the n900 for gps performance? | 00:00 |
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| alterego | bsg fansite? | 00:02 |
| * alterego chuckles | 00:02 | |
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| SpeedEvil | ? | 00:02 |
| alterego | f*cking vodafone content control. | 00:03 |
| alterego | SpeedEvil: phrack.org, heh | 00:03 |
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| SpeedEvil | ah | 00:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer | BS!!! N900 shut down with bells and whistles on bat low, without ANY prior warning, and even while connected to charger (which incidentally wasn't detected and I didn't notice) | 00:05 |
| SpeedEvil | alterego: you can turn that off | 00:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | GRRRRR | 00:05 |
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| Psi | anyone else found their n900 flat for no reason? | 00:05 |
| frommyphone | mine dies a lot | 00:06 |
| ShadowJK | it goes "bong" on batlow shutdown, unless the bong is swapped out :) | 00:06 |
| Psi | mine was charged last night and running fine, went to bed and this morning it was dead. tried to turn it on, it booted up but then made a rather strange death sound and died again | 00:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | always there's a reason. Just you're not knowing it | 00:06 |
| Psi | checked battery, 3.4V, so now its on charged | 00:06 |
| frommyphone | no idea how nexus gets updated to get so much better bat life | 00:06 |
| alterego | SpeedEvil: I'd rather not, reminds me to use a proxy when I'm looking at dodgy stuff ;) | 00:06 |
| FredrIQ | well, DocScrutinizer, at least you can still do things in like 5s | 00:07 |
| alterego | I think you should have a look at what's running on you phone ... | 00:07 |
| frommyphone | me? | 00:07 |
| alterego | My N900 runs for a couple of days with my "normal" usage. | 00:08 |
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| FredrIQ | perfectly for noticing common chat channel that you're out. :D | 00:08 |
| frommyphone | you mean the idle stuff? | 00:08 |
| Psi | alterego: yeah, same | 00:08 |
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| alterego | fromyeah | 00:08 |
| ShadowJK | mine does a day or two with occasional gps and 1-2 hours of camera use (tourist use, I guess) | 00:09 |
| Psi | dunno why it ran flat during the night, something must have crashed and used 100%cpu | 00:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: mine did a "pioouuuu goblegoble", no "bong" | 00:09 |
| Psi | i wonder if it was my smbmount | 00:09 |
| Psi | the pc that was mounted was turned off before i went to bed | 00:09 |
| Psi | but the n900 still had it mounted | 00:09 |
| SpeedEvil | The noise it makes is wierd on battery off. | 00:10 |
| ShadowJK | iirc that does crazy things | 00:10 |
| SpeedEvil | Sort of explosion in a bell factory | 00:10 |
| Psi | haha yeah, thats what it sounded like | 00:10 |
| Psi | do you know if that sound is just a wav in the folder or hardcoded in somewhere? | 00:10 |
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| Psi | id like to hear it again | 00:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | Psi: USB mounts lock CPU @ 500 I heard | 00:11 |
| Psi | na, this was mounted over wifi | 00:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | aah | 00:11 |
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| SpeedEvil | Psi: I suspect it may be several sounds all playing at once | 00:11 |
| FredrIQ | ah, speaking about battery, i guess i should buy a new charger | 00:11 |
| Psi | its normally fine, but then the pc that the mount points too is normally on 24/7 | 00:11 |
| FredrIQ | it doesn't like my N900 anymore | 00:11 |
| FredrIQ | it _works_, but not good | 00:12 |
| alterego | Psi: is your router energy friendly? | 00:12 |
| Psi | yes, it has the 802.11e or whatever it is | 00:12 |
| Psi | so the phone can sleep and wake up to check for any packets | 00:12 |
| alterego | Do you often leave it on wifi and it's fine? | 00:12 |
| Psi | yes, i have wifi on all the time | 00:13 |
| alterego | I think samba and netbios do a fair amount of polling. | 00:13 |
| alterego | Well, publishing | 00:13 |
| alterego | Though I don't know for sure. | 00:14 |
| Psi | it could have been scanning the folder looking for files and kept hitting the dead samba mount | 00:14 |
| ShadowJK | even on desktop the client machine goes bananas if the server goes away | 00:14 |
| alterego | indeed | 00:14 |
| Psi | its fine if the mount is good tho, cos is been like that for months without issue | 00:14 |
| ShadowJK | just leave it on charger overnight anyway | 00:14 |
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| Psi | ShadowJK: yeah, i should by a 2nd charger for near the bed | 00:15 |
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| alterego | I've got loads, of non usb nokia chargers, that and it's mostly always plugged into my laptop | 00:16 |
| Psi | yeah, i also have a pile of the old 3.7V nokia packs | 00:16 |
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| DocScrutinizer | meh, prefer swapping batteries to leaving my phone at home. Now the second one is highly welcome | 00:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer | mmpf, shutdown -h now did exactly nothing | 00:24 |
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| ShadowJK | dsmetool somemthing.. | 00:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | init 0 :-P | 00:26 |
| trem | nite all, sweet dreams | 00:27 |
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| kerio | DocScrutinizer: so are you writing an UI to write a custom keymap? | 00:29 |
| kerio | s/an/a/ | 00:29 |
| infobot | kerio meant: DocScrutinizer: so are you writing a UI to write a custom keymap? | 00:29 |
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| frikinz | on diablo, how can I do video conference? I've just installed skype but I guess video is still not done or? what do you advice me? | 00:36 |
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| _rd | frikinz, googletalk (?) | 00:38 |
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| alterego | SpeedEvil: very good desription of GPS that link, thanks :) | 00:44 |
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| frikinz | ok I'll try googletalk. I'm not that up to date with these things :) | 00:52 |
| frikinz | mmhh only to other tablets.. well no.. I need from PC to n800. So the webcam is quite useless in fact. | 00:56 |
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| ToJa92 | Anyone knows if it possible to retrieve the theme dir for the current theme in xterm? | 01:24 |
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| pronto | pwd | 01:30 |
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| ToJa92 | [pronto]: Can you elaborate? In case you replied to me that is. | 01:34 |
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| Macer | anybody here have any info on gsm sim cloning? | 02:07 |
| ManoftheSea | what of it? | 02:07 |
| Macer | i want to be able to just turn off a phone. turn the other one on ... and go | 02:07 |
| ManoftheSea | The SIM is supposed to stop you doing that. | 02:07 |
| Macer | i hate having to manually swap out the sim all the time | 02:07 |
| ManoftheSea | Unless you buy the SIMs pre-loaded to be the same. | 02:07 |
| ManoftheSea | and unless you're AT&T, I doubt you can. | 02:07 |
| Macer | t-mob | 02:08 |
| ManoftheSea | well, unless you're T-Mobile, I doubt you can. | 02:08 |
| Macer | heh | 02:08 |
| Macer | well. there seems to be ways to do it as far as i can tell but i've never tried it | 02:08 |
| Macer | there are apps that crack the ki | 02:08 |
| Macer | so you can do a full clone | 02:08 |
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| Macer | and i really want to do this so i'm not stuck having to keep swapping out the sim | 02:09 |
| ManoftheSea | Ah, you hacker you. | 02:09 |
| ToJa92 | SIM cloning is illegal in most if not all countries | 02:09 |
| ManoftheSea | clone the K_i, sure. But to load it in a different phone? | 02:09 |
| Macer | ToJa92: that's not fair :-P even to your own sim where you just want to swap phones? | 02:09 |
| ManoftheSea | yeah, like tech laws are reasonable. | 02:09 |
| Macer | haha | 02:09 |
| ToJa92 | [Macer]: Yup, pretty sure it's illegal | 02:09 |
| Macer | lame | 02:09 |
| ToJa92 | not said its impossible though :P | 02:09 |
| Macer | heh | 02:10 |
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| Kegetys | get a service provider that provides multi-sim cards | 02:10 |
| Macer | well.. i was looking at this thing... | 02:10 |
| ToJa92 | (I dont know any ways though) | 02:10 |
| Macer | http://cgi.ebay.com/SIM-Card-Reader-Writer-Adapter-Phone-Backup-Copy-Clone-/190398682498?cmd=ViewItem&pt=SIM_Cards&hash=item2c54a55582#ht_2038wt_1023 | 02:10 |
| Macer | ToJa92: i don't either :-P | 02:10 |
| Macer | i called tmob and they said they wouldn't do it | 02:10 |
| Macer | so i figured i would do it myself | 02:10 |
| ManoftheSea | heck, they probably can't. | 02:10 |
| Macer | haha | 02:10 |
| Kegetys | change to one that does | 02:10 |
| Macer | didn't think about that | 02:10 |
| ManoftheSea | They store the numbers, but don't add them to SIMs themself. | 02:10 |
| Macer | Kegetys: i don't know of any here that do | 02:10 |
| Macer | i'm in chicago but maybe i'll look around | 02:11 |
| Macer | but | 02:11 |
| Kegetys | hmm okay | 02:11 |
| Macer | i don't want to lose my 3G on my n900 ;) | 02:11 |
| Macer | and swapping providers would cause that | 02:11 |
| Kegetys | my service provider does it for free with a 3G package | 02:11 |
| Kegetys | I have three sim cards now :P | 02:11 |
| Macer | blah | 02:11 |
| Macer | tmobile just sucks like that i suppose | 02:11 |
| Macer | http://cgi.ebay.com/SIM-Card-Reader-Writer-Adapter-Phone-Backup-Copy-Clone-/190398682498?cmd=ViewItem&pt=SIM_Cards&hash=item2c54a55582#ht_2038wt_1023 | 02:11 |
| Macer | i was looking at that to read the sim | 02:11 |
| Macer | i'm sure i can find some software to crack the ki | 02:11 |
| Macer | and then get a blank one to write the img to | 02:12 |
| ToJa92 | not sure if that would actually add all necesary operator stuff etc | 02:12 |
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| ToJa92 | I'm pretty sure that only copies the user readable part of the memory | 02:12 |
| Macer | yeah | 02:12 |
| Macer | thats what it seems like too :( | 02:12 |
| ManoftheSea | uh, what version sim to get the k_i? | 02:13 |
| ManoftheSea | Only version 1? | 02:13 |
| Macer | i need to find something that can read all of it | 02:13 |
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| Macer | ManoftheSea: not sure what type of sim yet | 02:13 |
| Macer | i'm looking for the hardware that allows me to do it first | 02:13 |
| Macer | a sim reader/writer | 02:13 |
| ToJa92 | heres an article about how it's pretty much impossible to do :P http://www.lazybit.com/index.php/2009/10/05/how-to-clone-a-sim-card-not?blog=2 (not sure about the accuracy though) | 02:14 |
| ToJa92 | anway gonna reboot now | 02:15 |
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| Dongle | hello all | 02:22 |
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| Macer | hm | 02:23 |
| Macer | you would think that you could copy the encrypted data from the sim over to some sort of image file | 02:23 |
| Macer | and brute force it that way | 02:23 |
| Macer | :) | 02:23 |
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| Macer | by simply making a complete image of the sim | 02:24 |
| kerio | how? | 02:24 |
| kerio | the only access you have is the "os" | 02:24 |
| Dongle | hello all | 02:24 |
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| Dongle | anybody know why the n900 is so bad at playing youtube videos? | 02:24 |
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| kerio | flash has the same performance of a drunk hippopotamus in a shopping cart | 02:26 |
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| Dongle | theres no way to watch youtube vids easily on the n900? | 02:28 |
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| kerio | Dongle: zoutube | 02:30 |
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| mortini | hm, is there a way to boost the audio in the headphones? alsactl didnt' seem to help much | 02:37 |
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| SpeedEvil | I assume you've tried turning the volume up? | 02:40 |
| SpeedEvil | From all apps? | 02:40 |
| SpeedEvil | O just one? | 02:40 |
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| mortini | what do you mean from all apps? | 02:42 |
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| luke-jr | DocScrutinizer51: that doesn't tell me *when* the panic recorded there is from | 02:55 |
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| Macer | wow | 03:04 |
| Macer | my n900 just kidn of froze up on me | 03:04 |
| Macer | i had to yank the battery out | 03:04 |
| Macer | i hope nit-droid or meego get going already so i can swap over :) | 03:04 |
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| Termana | good morning | 03:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: right | 03:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: report a bug, open a ticket | 03:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'll vote for it | 03:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | kerio: nope, I've not started to do that | 03:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | *night peeps* | 03:38 |
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| anndy | hi all | 03:53 |
| anndy | new here | 03:53 |
| SpeedEvil | hi | 03:54 |
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| DocScrutinizer | yoyoh | 03:54 |
| anndy | can some one help me with resources or list of documents to start in maemo based mobile application development | 03:54 |
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| SpeedEvil | You've looked at the wiki, I suppose? | 03:55 |
| SpeedEvil | What's your usual language? | 03:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation | 03:56 |
| anndy | c/c++ | 03:56 |
| anndy | i was looking into the development area...my bad | 03:57 |
| anndy | thanks man | 03:57 |
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| ech0Asus | what it do | 04:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer | oot snway :reziniturcScoD | 04:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer | or just: initrom: problems? | 05:03 |
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| embedded | Hi all | 08:01 |
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| embedded | I have re-compiled a new version of busybox (wish ash shell) including some addons for my N900. It works very well except for one thing....if I click on a deb file from the File Manager the HAM returns a filesize equal to 0, so I'm not able to install any deb package from the File Manager (I must use the shell with root priviledges or directly the HAM)! Is there someone who can help me with this issue? | 08:05 |
| RST38h | moo all | 08:06 |
| embedded | ? | 08:06 |
| embedded | nobody can help me ?!? | 08:08 |
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| LiraNuna | can anyone see anything wrong with this OGL ES2 code? http://pastie.org/private/lfw5yhpkyvceuzgjln21lg | 08:14 |
| LiraNuna | I'm going insane | 08:14 |
| RST38h | Both of you? =) | 08:14 |
| Termana | embedded, ask your question in the forum or be patient and wait to see if someone answers (or ask again later when more people are around). Like I said most people in #meego are in here. | 08:16 |
| embedded | Termana: thanks for your suggestions | 08:17 |
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| slonopotamus | ~ping | 08:21 |
| infobot | ~pong | 08:21 |
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| infobot | x-fade is currently on #maemo #meego. Has said a total of 35 messages. Is idling for 19h 41m 14s, last said: 'lcuk: pong'. | 08:25 |
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| LiraNuna | anyone? | 08:27 |
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| * slonopotamus wonders why maemo sdk runs so damn slow inside virtualbox | 08:35 | |
| microlith | it runs faster outside of it? | 08:36 |
| LiraNuna | runs pretty fast here | 08:36 |
| slonopotamus | microlith: it runs _much_ slower than other linuxes in it. | 08:37 |
| microlith | weird | 08:37 |
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| slonopotamus | to be more specific, i'd say gui drawing is slow | 08:38 |
| slonopotamus | eats high % of "sys" cpu time | 08:39 |
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| flux | slonopotamus, you mean the embedded X-server runs slowly? | 09:13 |
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| SmokeyD | hey everyone, I just rsynced a lot of png files over to my N900. But somehow the disk space used on my N900 by those files is many times more than the original files on my pc. One dir takes up 1.7MB on my computer, but on my N900 it takes op 14MB. Any clues to why this is? It is nice to have 32Gb of storage, but if every file takes up 7 times it original size, there is not much use I have to that I end up with only 4GB available | 09:48 |
| SmokeyD | Does it have something to do with the filesystem, the way it is setup? And if so, is it possible to change the filesystem of /dev/mmcb1k0p1 without breaking stuff? | 09:49 |
| luke-jr | filesystem? block size? | 09:49 |
| luke-jr | the filesystem is probably tuned to work best on the SSD | 09:50 |
| luke-jr | that might imply larger blocks than on a magnetic disk | 09:50 |
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| SmokeyD | luke-jr: yeah, but that means that the cache of for instance maemo mapper takes up enormous amounts of diskspace. About 7 times of what is actually needed. Can I format the mmc drive for instance to another block size without breaking anything? | 09:51 |
| luke-jr | ... | 09:51 |
| Stskeeps | fat32? :P | 09:52 |
| luke-jr | Maemo Mapper requires enourmous amounts of diskspace period | 09:52 |
| SmokeyD | luke-jr: I just created my own osm tiles for the maemo mapper cache. The tiles need around 3GB on my pc, but on my N900, the same files take up about 25GB. That is not acceptable | 09:53 |
| SmokeyD | it is not maemo mapper that is at fault here, but the filesystem | 09:54 |
| Stskeeps | fat32 block size too big? | 09:54 |
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| SmokeyD | Stskeeps: yeah probably. But then the question is, can I reformat my /home/user/MyDocs (/dev/mmcb1k0p1) with a smaller block size, without breaking stuff? It only contains some personal files and settings right? So I can just copy those files somewhere else, unmount the drive, reformat it, mount it again and copy the stuff back? | 09:56 |
| Stskeeps | SmokeyD: possibly, but no guarantees | 09:56 |
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| SmokeyD | Stskeeps: actually, I could probably just attach the N900 through usb to my computer in mass storage mode and do everything from my pc, the formatting and copying and stuff | 09:57 |
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| flux | smokeyd, an easy way out would be to have a loop-back image on the device | 10:08 |
| flux | smokeyd, it atleast wouldn't break anything | 10:08 |
| SmokeyD | flux: that is a smart move. Just create a container file with a different fs and use that. Good one | 10:09 |
| SmokeyD | thanks for the tip | 10:09 |
| flux | smokeyd, however, people have switched the filesystem of MyDocs. there are some issues but apparently they can be overcome. maybe the web knows. | 10:09 |
| flux | (one such issue was that the camera application didn't work unless you tweaked filesystem permissions) | 10:09 |
| SmokeyD | flux: I'll stick to the safe side and just make a loopback device with container file. It is only for my maemo mapper cache anyway, so I only need it for one dir. | 10:10 |
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| * cehteh has mydocs and mmc1 on ext4 | 10:58 | |
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| Venemo | Hi Everyone | 11:06 |
| sig^ | hi, any good hints where to start reading about deb packaging for N900? (yes, I tried google) | 11:07 |
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| Venemo | sig^: maemo.org wiki | 11:07 |
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| sig^ | Venemo: cool, thanks. http://wiki.maemo.org/Packaging isn't bad. I've been looking at maemo wiki but apparently I missed some magic words like "packaging" >_> | 11:08 |
| MiXu- | If I wanted to plug two N900s on a PC using usbnetworking, would there be any other way of dedicating usb0 to the first N900 and usb1 to the second N900, besides udev rules? | 11:10 |
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| Venemo | sig^: you're welcome. | 11:15 |
| sig^ | Venemo: well I guess I read those things already... I'm wondering if there's an easy way to make a package so that I "just" give the control info and binaries and then I get an installable package, or something... | 11:15 |
| Venemo | sig^: if you have any specific questions, I'll try to answer... packaging apps is hard for everyone | 11:15 |
| Venemo | sig^: what SDK are you using? | 11:16 |
| asj | MiXu-: ifrename? that's not much better | 11:16 |
| sig^ | well, I have scratchbox | 11:16 |
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| Venemo | sig^: dpkg-buildpackage is not enough for you? | 11:16 |
| lcuk | sig^, what kind of app are you making? gtk? qt? misc? script? etc etc? | 11:16 |
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| sig^ | not quite sure (: I tested it, but it started to compile stuff... I just want my binary somewhere so that it's run from the icon | 11:16 |
| sig^ | I added the uuencoded icon to control and did the modifications suggested in http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Packaging,_Deploying_and_Distributing | 11:17 |
| Venemo | sig^: dpkg-buildpackage compiles your stuff, and then also makes the package | 11:17 |
| sig^ | oh, ok... well, I've already compiled the thing into an executable | 11:17 |
| lcuk | the packaging adds all the dependencies and makes sure your application has everything it needs on all machines you put it on - thats the aim of packaging, it cannot be shortcutted because if you do it wrong autobuilder will not make it for you | 11:18 |
| sig^ | makes sense | 11:18 |
| lcuk | and sig^ when you upload to autobuilder, it will be source only | 11:18 |
| lcuk | so the package has to know exactly how to build it ;) | 11:18 |
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| MiXu- | asj: Ok. I was thinking of something you could write in /etc/network/interfaces, but I suppose that's hoping too much. :) | 11:18 |
| sig^ | well, that's exactly the kind of functionality I'm not really looking for q: just the, you know, icon launches a binary -kind of | 11:18 |
| Scelt | author of fapman here? | 11:19 |
| lcuk | sig^, you need just that sort of functionality | 11:19 |
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| Venemo | sig^: well, is has the functionality you need, plus some more | 11:19 |
| lcuk | the icon is added as one of the source files and copied to ummm /usr/share/icons/..... afaik | 11:19 |
| sig^ | oh I: well, thanks all, I'll... be right back bothering you more in a moment. | 11:20 |
| lcuk | then referenced within your .desktop file | 11:20 |
| asj | MiXu-: I don't know the specifics of usbnet, but I'm guessing the mac address is autogenerated (I assume there's a mac? it's emulating ethernet I thought) | 11:20 |
| Venemo | sig^: if you need a working example, you can checkout my little app | 11:20 |
| asj | MiXu-: basically it'll be a pain ;) | 11:21 |
| MiXu- | Yeah. I've figured that much already :) | 11:23 |
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| Venemo | MiXu-: why would you want to do such a thing? | 11:25 |
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| MiXu- | Venemo: Can't talk about that | 11:51 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer: the problem with key remapping is that using shift messes with some key combinations | 11:51 |
| kerio | and that's probably why the standard symbols work with shift, too | 11:51 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 11:55 |
| lcuk | Morning, Jaffa | 11:56 |
| Stskeeps | morn jaffa | 11:56 |
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| RZ | Alfanumericall | 12:02 |
| RZ | Alphanumerical codes for wi-fi don't work on N900? | 12:03 |
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| sugnan | hello, does fax modem present on n900? | 12:04 |
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| alteregoa | hello | 12:05 |
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| alteregoa | darmok and jalad at tanagra | 12:05 |
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| LiraNuna | and you guys thought cloudgps is fast | 12:11 |
| LiraNuna | http://github.com/LiraNuna/n900-google-maps | 12:11 |
| LiraNuna | \:D/ | 12:11 |
| LiraNuna | yes it shows only one tile, but it's fast <3 | 12:11 |
| jacekowski | LiraNuna: so what was the problem? | 12:11 |
| LiraNuna | jacekowski, god damn QPainter | 12:11 |
| jacekowski | because it looks for me like it was opengl | 12:11 |
| jacekowski | and that side | 12:11 |
| jacekowski | as events were ok | 12:12 |
| LiraNuna | QPainter didn't actually used OGL | 12:12 |
| LiraNuna | it did some fucked up caching of images, and every 60th frame re-cached the whole display | 12:12 |
| LiraNuna | lesson: don't use QPainter with QGLWidget | 12:13 |
| jacekowski | LiraNuna: is it ok with you for me to package it? | 12:13 |
| LiraNuna | it's not a usable application | 12:13 |
| jacekowski | ah | 12:14 |
| LiraNuna | but when it is, sure | 12:14 |
| LiraNuna | I just got it to a state where it's FAST (tearing / vsync aside) | 12:14 |
| LiraNuna | hopefully it'll be meego ready | 12:14 |
| lcuk | LiraNuna, :) i started with a single pixel moving at required speed | 12:15 |
| LiraNuna | cloudgps is really slow compared to my code | 12:16 |
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| LiraNuna | now that damn vsync WONTFIX bug makes my app look ugly | 12:19 |
| jacekowski | number | 12:20 |
| LiraNuna | eh 5886 something | 12:20 |
| LiraNuna | hold on | 12:20 |
| LiraNuna | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5556 | 12:20 |
| povbot | Bug 5556: when switching desktops, there is some tearing of the image | 12:20 |
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| lcuk | eep bugs.maemo.org cert still not updated | 12:21 |
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| LiraNuna | yeah | 12:21 |
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| Venemo | could anyone help me with regular expressions? | 12:55 |
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| user__ | Probably | 12:56 |
| user__ | .* | 12:56 |
| alterego | Venemo: I'm pretty good what's up? | 12:57 |
| Venemo | I would like to replace the value of a property in a CSS selector | 12:57 |
| alterego | isn't there a CSS model wrapper class of some sort? | 12:58 |
| Venemo | this is the regex I'm using now to match the selector: font-family:[.^;]; | 12:58 |
| Venemo | obviously, it doesn't match anything | 12:58 |
| user__ | try \w | 12:59 |
| Venemo | user__: where? | 12:59 |
| user__ | font-family: (\w*); | 13:00 |
| alterego | font-family:(.?*); | 13:00 |
| Scelt | font-family:\s?(.*?); | 13:00 |
| Scelt | I'd do like that | 13:00 |
| Scelt | \w is not good enough because there are fe. sans-serif | 13:01 |
| user__ | Font family should be the name only, no? | 13:01 |
| user__ | oh i see | 13:01 |
| Venemo | shouldn't there be a ^; too? | 13:01 |
| alterego | I don't think the space is required tbh | 13:01 |
| Scelt | Venemo: why ^? | 13:01 |
| Venemo | because if I have eg. font-family: myfamily; color: red; then "font-family: myfamily; color: red" will also match the regex | 13:02 |
| Scelt | no | 13:02 |
| alterego | neah | 13:02 |
| alterego | it wont | 13:02 |
| Scelt | there's ? for that to be non-greedy | 13:02 |
| Scelt | stops on the first match | 13:03 |
| Venemo | Scelt: ah, okay | 13:03 |
| Scelt | so anything until the first ; | 13:03 |
| Venemo | Scelt: still no matches | 13:03 |
| Scelt | and using ^ inside the [] will make the search negative, so doing like this: font-family:\s?([^;]+); would work too | 13:04 |
| Scelt | Venemo: what language? what regexp? posix or perl? | 13:04 |
| Venemo | Scelt: the default format is this: font-family:'Nokia Sans'; | 13:04 |
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| Scelt | ah | 13:04 |
| Venemo | Scelt: I'd like to use it in a Qt app :) | 13:05 |
| Scelt | still it should work | 13:05 |
| Scelt | python? | 13:05 |
| alterego | c++ | 13:05 |
| Venemo | C++ | 13:05 |
| Scelt | dunno what regexp it uses | 13:05 |
| Venemo | Scelt: your last one is working :) | 13:06 |
| Scelt | scelt@shell:~$ perl -e '$a = "font-family:'\''Nokia Sans'\''\;"; $a =~ /font-family:\s?(.*?)\;/; print "$1\n";' | 13:07 |
| Scelt | 'Nokia Sans' | 13:07 |
| Scelt | like that | 13:07 |
| Scelt | Venemo: okay good :) | 13:07 |
| Scelt | there are some differences in regexps. I'm the perl master | 13:07 |
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| Venemo | Scelt: thanks for your help :) | 13:13 |
| Scelt | np :) | 13:13 |
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| Venemo | hm, it seems that I need some more help | 13:29 |
| Venemo | my app runs in the background all the time (like a daemon) | 13:30 |
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| Venemo | but obviously, I'd like to stop it before it is uninstalled | 13:30 |
| Venemo | so I put "killall sticky-notes" in the prerm script, but that throws an error if it is not running | 13:30 |
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| Venemo | what should I put into the script if I'd like to do this without errors? | 13:31 |
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| SpeedEvil | if pidof stickynotes | 13:32 |
| SpeedEvil | then | 13:32 |
| SpeedEvil | kill whateverthatpidwas | 13:32 |
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| Venemo | SpeedEvil: I don't know much about shell scripts, is that enough? | 13:33 |
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| SpeedEvil | yes | 13:33 |
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| SpeedEvil | but that's bogus syntax, as I'm not properly awake. | 13:33 |
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| SpeedEvil | I would be happy to write the shell script required for one billion dollars. | 13:34 |
| h4xordood | is there going to be some launch of newer version of n900? | 13:34 |
| SpeedEvil | h4xordood: nokia has not announced anything | 13:34 |
| SpeedEvil | Personally, I find a n900+ unlikely | 13:35 |
| SpeedEvil | Though it would be cool. | 13:35 |
| dneary | Venemo, Try | 13:35 |
| dneary | sticky=`pidof stickynotes` | 13:35 |
| dneary | if $sticky; then | 13:35 |
| dneary | kill $sticky | 13:35 |
| dneary | fi | 13:35 |
| h4xordood | some meego release | 13:36 |
| dneary | If the app name really is called stickynotes | 13:36 |
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| dneary | h4xordood, What I know is Noikia have said they won't be supporting the N900 for any MeeGo release | 13:36 |
| dneary | But they are using the N900 to test MeeGo pre-releases | 13:36 |
| Venemo | dneary: it is "sticky-notes", but I can replace it... thanks for your script | 13:37 |
| dneary | So basically, adventurous spirits will be able to run MeeGo on the N900, potentially without some key features | 13:37 |
| dneary | Venemo, np | 13:37 |
| h4xordood | hm so meego device will be other than nokia | 13:37 |
| dneary | You can replace `..` with $(..) | 13:37 |
| Venemo | dneary: also, two questions: what is "fi", and why kill instead of killall? | 13:37 |
| SpeedEvil | h4xordood: nokia may be releasing meego devices | 13:37 |
| dneary | h4xordood, No, the first MeeGo phone will be a Nokia phone, but it will not be the N900 | 13:37 |
| SpeedEvil | h4xordood: just not n900 | 13:37 |
| Venemo | h4xordood: it will probably arrive around the end of the year, but it isn't announced yet | 13:38 |
| h4xordood | hm then i should wait to buy that | 13:38 |
| SpeedEvil | Personally, I would like to seen n900+ with a few hardware mods | 13:38 |
| dneary | Venemo, killall is a dangerous command that will kill all applications matching a given string on Linux, and will kill all userspace processes on Solaris, for example | 13:38 |
| dneary | Never use it :) | 13:38 |
| SpeedEvil | But I find that unlikely | 13:38 |
| dneary | Venemo, fi is the closing bracket for if | 13:38 |
| Venemo | dneary: okay | 13:38 |
| h4xordood | end of year would be too late | 13:38 |
| SpeedEvil | And the above shell script can also kill arbitrary processes. | 13:38 |
| dneary | if ... ; then...; else...; fi; | 13:39 |
| Venemo | dneary: okay, thanks | 13:39 |
| dneary | while ...; do...; done | 13:39 |
| h4xordood | may be i buy n900 today and meego device at the end of year | 13:39 |
| SpeedEvil | If the sticky notes binary dies immediately after the pidof, and something else starts. | 13:39 |
| dneary | And the other loop in shell scripts that has a funny closing bracket is case | 13:39 |
| h4xordood | ok thanks alot :) | 13:40 |
| SpeedEvil | read the bash manual several times fo the syntax | 13:40 |
| dneary | case word in | 13:41 |
| dneary | word) | 13:41 |
| dneary | stuff... | 13:41 |
| dneary | ;; | 13:41 |
| dneary | word2) | 13:41 |
| dneary | stuff... | 13:41 |
| dneary | ;; | 13:41 |
| dneary | *) | 13:41 |
| dneary | stuff... | 13:41 |
| Venemo | okay, let's just assume that mine is the only app with the name "sticky-notes" | 13:41 |
| dneary | ;; | 13:41 |
| dneary | esac | 13:41 |
| Venemo | there may be more than one processes of it running at a time | 13:41 |
| Venemo | would this script work? | 13:42 |
| Venemo | echo "Killing Sticky Notes if it is running" | 13:42 |
| Venemo | if pidof sticky-notes; then | 13:42 |
| Venemo | killall sticky-notes | 13:42 |
| Venemo | fi | 13:42 |
| SpeedEvil | yes | 13:42 |
| SpeedEvil | withthe silly quotes | 13:42 |
| Venemo | what qoutes and where? | 13:42 |
| SpeedEvil | echo `ls` | 13:42 |
| SpeedEvil | the ls between the backquotes is run. | 13:42 |
| SpeedEvil | Its output is put into the command line to be executed | 13:43 |
| Venemo | strange, the echo is working with the standard quotes | 13:43 |
| RST38h | "Any sufficiently advanced music is indistinguishable from MIDI" | 13:43 |
| * RST38h laughs diabolically | 13:43 | |
| SpeedEvil | echo `ls` and echo ls | 13:43 |
| SpeedEvil | do very different things | 13:43 |
| Venemo | SpeedEvil: is the one below correct? | 13:43 |
| Venemo | echo `Killing Sticky Notes if it is running` | 13:43 |
| Venemo | if pidof sticky-notes; then | 13:43 |
| Venemo | killall sticky-notes | 13:43 |
| Venemo | fi | 13:43 |
| SpeedEvil | (unless you're in a directory wit a file called ls of course | 13:43 |
| SpeedEvil | no | 13:44 |
| SpeedEvil | err | 13:44 |
| Venemo | ??? | 13:44 |
| SpeedEvil | actually | 13:44 |
| SpeedEvil | the pidof manpage does not say anything about return value | 13:44 |
| SpeedEvil | so that might or might not work depending on your implementation | 13:45 |
| SpeedEvil | or rather the busybox implementation | 13:45 |
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| h4xordood | so venemo me being KDE C++ developer would you tell me to buy n900 or not | 13:45 |
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| Venemo | h4xordood: well, that is a hard question... some crazy people actually managed to run KDE on the N900 | 13:46 |
| h4xordood | ? | 13:46 |
| h4xordood | :) | 13:46 |
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| Venemo | h4xordood: so if you enjoy hacking and the stuff, you will enjoy it | 13:46 |
| SpeedEvil | Speaking as someone who has run linux for a decade, my only problem with the n900 is the stingy bastards only put in one stylus. | 13:46 |
| Venemo | h4xordood: but for some people, it may not be suited... at least there are always a bunch of whiners on the forum | 13:46 |
| SpeedEvil | (owned for 6 months) | 13:46 |
| ieatlint | anyone here ever played much with audio recording on the n900? specifically i'm curious if anyone knows much about the mic gain on it, and issues with clipping | 13:47 |
| Venemo | SpeedEvil: back to the script, could you please tell me what is the mistake in the one I wrote? | 13:47 |
| h4xordood | i want to run plasma applets | 13:48 |
| h4xordood | and yeah i enjoy hacking :) | 13:48 |
| Venemo | h4xordood: I'm not sure if it is possible... I myself haven't tried it yet. I like the Hildon-desktop on it | 13:48 |
| SpeedEvil | Venemo: that depends on the return value of pidof reflecting if it found a running process with the name or not. | 13:48 |
| SpeedEvil | Venemo: I am unsure if the pidof actually does that | 13:49 |
| h4xordood | may be then i should do more research then | 13:49 |
| Venemo | SpeedEvil: okay, then what is your recommended solution? | 13:50 |
| Venemo | h4xordood: read some stuff on talk.maemo.org | 13:50 |
| Venemo | h4xordood: and also a few reviews. | 13:51 |
| h4xordood | venemo thanks :) | 13:52 |
| Venemo | h4xordood: there are people who are not content with the telephony features, and also some who find the available GPS apps poor. | 13:52 |
| Venemo | h4xordood: still, I have no problems with the stuff... I even learned Qt development on it | 13:52 |
| h4xordood | hm yeah we are not end user completly so we can hack some stuff :) | 13:53 |
| SpeedEvil | Venemo: what's the problem with killall just erroring? | 13:55 |
| Venemo | SpeedEvil: because then dpkg thinks that there is some error and wouldn't let the app uninstall | 13:55 |
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| Venemo | SpeedEvil: how ridiculous is that when you can only uninstall an app if it is running? | 13:56 |
| SpeedEvil | sticky=`pidof sticky-notes` | 13:57 |
| SpeedEvil | if $sticky; then | 13:57 |
| SpeedEvil | killall sticky-notes | 13:57 |
| SpeedEvil | fi | 13:57 |
| SpeedEvil | should work, practically | 13:57 |
| Venemo | okay | 13:57 |
| Venemo | thanks :) | 13:57 |
| h4xordood | what is the current price of n900 i live in india so just need to know :) | 13:57 |
| SpeedEvil | Don't know about india, sorry. | 13:58 |
| h4xordood | i mean in your country | 13:59 |
| SpeedEvil | I think it went down to 449 pounds in the Uk | 13:59 |
| SpeedEvil | It is however now at 479 (nokia.co.uk) | 13:59 |
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| MiXu- | 472 euros in Finland | 14:00 |
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| alterego | Heh, increased demand? :) | 14:03 |
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| achipa | or a decrease in supply :S | 14:05 |
| SpeedEvil | Finnish price is - now - about what it was in the uK | 14:06 |
| alterego | Heh | 14:07 |
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| alterego | Apparently you can get it for 250 on PAYG in the UK now | 14:07 |
| SpeedEvil | I ahve't looked anywhere than nokia.co.uk | 14:07 |
| alterego | Yeah, I think it's at cpw | 14:07 |
| achipa | computeruniverse has them in stock, with a HOT sticker for 433E (shipping to .fi = +16) | 14:08 |
| alterego | Actually, 429 at cpw | 14:08 |
| SpeedEvil | Where I got mine for 256. | 14:09 |
| alterego | I wonder where I saw it at 250 | 14:09 |
| SpeedEvil | (after all rebates and ... | 14:09 |
| kerio | 256 what? | 14:09 |
| kerio | :o | 14:09 |
| kerio | oh | 14:09 |
| SpeedEvil | pounds sterling | 14:09 |
| kerio | you're cheating! | 14:09 |
| alterego | Heh | 14:09 |
| SpeedEvil | Well - I used 3 15% off discount codes | 14:10 |
| SpeedEvil | So, yes | 14:10 |
| SpeedEvil | and lucked into a survey that gave me 50 quid | 14:10 |
| SpeedEvil | Well - a 50 quid john lewis vouvher that I need to sell | 14:10 |
| alterego | You're lucky | 14:10 |
| alterego | Where did you get all those discount codes from? :P | 14:10 |
| SpeedEvil | they were being discussed at the time | 14:10 |
| SpeedEvil | pre-order | 14:10 |
| alterego | Oh, heh | 14:11 |
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| kerio | nokia should drop the price significally imho | 14:11 |
| kerio | to like 10€ | 14:11 |
| alterego | Hahah | 14:12 |
| SpeedEvil | Only to people with karma of over 420. | 14:13 |
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| alterego | Damnit, I'd miss out again! | 14:14 |
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| alterego | I guess I spend too much time attempting to help people on IRC than doing things that would otherwise increase my karma :P | 14:14 |
| kerio | think about it, 100€ would buy you a nice cluster | 14:14 |
| h4xordood | okay going to buy it say me good luck :d | 14:14 |
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| kerio | h4xordood: do it | 14:14 |
| SpeedEvil | Which reminds me, I need to do more packagetesting. | 14:14 |
| alterego | Buy what? What? | 14:14 |
| kerio | it's probably the best phone/tablet/whatever i ever used | 14:15 |
| alterego | I need to release another app | 14:15 |
| alterego | And maybe do some package testing | 14:15 |
| kerio | alterego: he's buying an n900 | 14:15 |
| alterego | Oh, cool | 14:15 |
| alterego | Another one bites the dust | 14:15 |
| alterego | I mean candyu | 14:15 |
| SpeedEvil | alterego: Or easier - work out who you need to submit a karma IRC bot to. | 14:15 |
| kerio | h4xordood: hold on | 14:15 |
| h4xordood | and later when mee go device releases i will change other phone :) | 14:15 |
| kerio | do you need a phone? | 14:15 |
| kerio | because if you need a phone, i wouldn't buy a n900 | 14:16 |
| alterego | Works fine for me as a phone. | 14:16 |
| alterego | Even if it's not my primary use .. | 14:16 |
| h4xordood | i want to buy for development | 14:16 |
| kerio | there are a lot better phones around | 14:16 |
| kerio | oh then ok | 14:16 |
| alterego | But there's no better gadget :) | 14:16 |
| kerio | well of course | 14:17 |
| kerio | IRC from the beach <3 | 14:17 |
| alterego | Heh, I was doing that earlier this yeaer :) | 14:17 |
| h4xordood | i am not end user | 14:17 |
| h4xordood | :) | 14:17 |
| kerio | h4xordood: then yeah, it's *the* device | 14:17 |
| alterego | Had a nice little pouch too, was using it to listen to music whilst we had a camp fire on the beach at night | 14:17 |
| alterego | (and bbq) | 14:17 |
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| kerio | it's probably not ready for end users | 14:18 |
| Lazy^ | Heya, is there any application to auto reject incoming call for n900 | 14:18 |
| kerio | nor it will ever be | 14:18 |
| alterego | My friend, who has a HD2, he wanted to put some tunes on. His speakers are even worse than the N900's | 14:18 |
| alterego | Then he realises he'd lost his phone and could still hear it playing music .. Under the sad :o | 14:18 |
| kerio | alterego: ouch | 14:19 |
| alterego | ~sand .. | 14:19 |
| alterego | Yeah, was quite funny. | 14:19 |
| alterego | My N900 saved the day. flashlight helped us cook and find his phone | 14:19 |
| alterego | Asw well as listening to some nice tunes. | 14:19 |
| alterego | Taking photots | 14:19 |
| alterego | Used the stylus as a scewer for toasting marshmellows | 14:20 |
| alterego | (joke) :D | 14:20 |
| alteregoa | darmok and jalad at tanagra | 14:21 |
| * alterego checks his bill for this month. (10.479G data, 371 SMS, 11 pounds worth of calls) | 14:21 | |
| kerio | :O | 14:22 |
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| kerio | that's... a lot | 14:22 |
| alteregoa | ahh | 14:22 |
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| alterego | I know, I didn't realise I sent so many text messages | 14:22 |
| alteregoa | you must be borg | 14:22 |
| alterego | alteregoa: get another nick please | 14:22 |
| alteregoa | thats my nick for years | 14:22 |
| alteregoa | for like 10 years | 14:22 |
| alterego | Not on freenode it isn't. | 14:22 |
| alteregoa | i like goa | 14:23 |
| alteregoa | my alter ego is goa | 14:23 |
| * alterego gets popcorn ... | 14:23 | |
| dunz0r | Wow. This is a new level of confusement. | 14:23 |
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| * dunz0r has nicklengnth six in irssi | 14:23 | |
| alteregoa | confuzius said: every woman has a banana | 14:24 |
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| alterego | alteregoa: do you know what this channel is about? | 14:24 |
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| alterego | alteregoa: otherwise just leave | 14:24 |
| alteregoa | about a developing tool | 14:24 |
| alterego | 40 minutes and 5 seconds of calls equates to 11 pounds .. Interesting .. | 14:24 |
| alterego | alteregoa: no, it's not. | 14:25 |
| dunz0r | Btw, I've seen in some videos, that people search by typing in the appmanager, I've looked around and haven't found anything. | 14:25 |
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| kerio | dunz0r: PR1.2? | 14:25 |
| alterego | dunz0r: go to a category like "All" and start typing :) | 14:25 |
| dunz0r | kerio: I think so. How do I know for sure? | 14:25 |
| kerio | did you update it? | 14:25 |
| alteregoa | so its about goa'ulds? | 14:25 |
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| kerio | aw | 14:26 |
| kerio | :( | 14:26 |
| kerio | you guys scared him | 14:26 |
| * slonopotamus wonders wtf happened to sorting in app manager in pr1.2 | 14:26 | |
| dunz0r | alterego: Thanks, never thought of it that way :) | 14:26 |
| alterego | thank f*ck for that :P | 14:26 |
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| RST38h | slonopotamus: they added search-by-typing | 14:26 |
| * dunz0r is cosidering writing a new, lightweight pdf-reader in pure python. | 14:26 | |
| dunz0r | Should I? | 14:26 |
| RST38h | slonopotamus: they probably never tested it though as it takes about 40 seconds to type a letter | 14:27 |
| alterego | dunz0r: I don't think it'll be very light weight in python :P | 14:27 |
| dunz0r | I need to learn python so thought it'd be a good project. | 14:27 |
| kerio | who uses HAM anyway? | 14:27 |
| kerio | fapman is *way* faster | 14:27 |
| * RST38h does | 14:27 | |
| kerio | plus, much better name | 14:27 |
| dunz0r | alterego: Really, why not? | 14:27 |
| * kerio chuckles | 14:27 | |
| alterego | Well, Python alone has ~5M foot print | 14:27 |
| slonopotamus | RST38h: that doesn't cancel sorting | 14:27 |
| kerio | python is awesome | 14:27 |
| dunz0r | alterego: Oh, you mean like that. Ok, fast and not propped full of features then. | 14:27 |
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| dunz0r | Small as in simple. | 14:28 |
| alterego | It's useful .. | 14:28 |
| kerio | but yeah, "lightweight" and "python" shouldn't really go in the same sentence | 14:28 |
| dunz0r | Badly put by me. | 14:28 |
| dunz0r | kerio: You do have a point there :) | 14:28 |
| alterego | dunz0r: it wont be particularly fast either :P | 14:28 |
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| dunz0r | Uhm, yes it will! | 14:28 |
| kerio | wait for a true compiler | 14:28 |
| dunz0r | *holds ears* | 14:28 |
| alterego | Heh | 14:28 |
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| alterego | The usability will be fine. but Python start up times are a pita | 14:28 |
| dunz0r | I can agree to that. | 14:29 |
| kerio | i <3 python | 14:29 |
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| alterego | I plan on porting one of my UI's from python to Qt/C++ because it's so F*cking slow importing the Qt modules | 14:29 |
| kerio | but it *is* slower than machine code | 14:29 |
| dunz0r | Should maybe write it in a compiled language... but I want to learn python :) | 14:29 |
| alterego | I just don't understand why it takes so long to import PySide modules. | 14:29 |
| alterego | I wonder if it'd be quicker if I put them on rootfs | 14:30 |
| alterego | dunz0r: then go ahead, sorry, I'm not trying to disuade you, I do a lot of work in Python myself :) | 14:30 |
| dunz0r | The small things I've done in python so far was pretty fast though | 14:30 |
| alterego | Well, if you don't use any of the UI toolkits it'll probably be quite quick. | 14:31 |
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| alterego | Maybe a console, ncurses based PDF reader ;) | 14:31 |
| dunz0r | alterego: That would not be that bad :) | 14:31 |
| dunz0r | Just need to figure out a way to not use a huge pdf-lib | 14:31 |
| kerio | alterego: osso-term sucks though | 14:32 |
| dunz0r | Is there some good library for pdf-reading anyone recommends? | 14:32 |
| alterego | Well, why not? | 14:32 |
| dunz0r | alterego: The pdf-lib? Or the ncurses-thing. | 14:32 |
| dunz0r | If you pull that off well, it would awesome. | 14:32 |
| alterego | Use what is available by default, size doesn't matter unless you're bringing something new in. | 14:32 |
| dunz0r | alterego: That sort of what I meant. What is available in maemo by default? | 14:33 |
| alterego | What does the inbuilt pdf reader use .. | 14:33 |
| dunz0r | I haven't started looking really | 14:33 |
| villager | python is great for doing highlevel stuff, but I doubt you can do lowlevel pdf stuff in it without it getting big and slow | 14:33 |
| dunz0r | Probably not :/ | 14:33 |
| villager | it'd be smaller and faster if you did use a pdf-lib I think | 14:33 |
| dunz0r | Well. That's the plan. | 14:33 |
| villager | pdf *is* a very complex format | 14:33 |
| dunz0r | I'm not going to implement pdf in python :) | 14:34 |
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| pigeon | isn't there python poppler already? | 14:35 |
| alterego | Hrm, not sure what osso_pdfreader uses. | 14:35 |
| alterego | Except libjpeg .. | 14:35 |
| alterego | Hrm, it uses gmodule for something too. | 14:36 |
| alterego | It probably uses libpoppler then | 14:36 |
| dunz0r | Poppler is nice. | 14:37 |
| dunz0r | I managed to compile it completely without X support once. And lived in the framebuffer for several months :) | 14:37 |
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| romen | hi! any user of Knots2 there? | 15:13 |
| user | anyone know how to merge an .xresources file? xrdb isnt on maemo | 15:14 |
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| MiXu- | This thing is a pain in the ass. I can't even count the number of calls I've accidentally rejected | 15:17 |
| MiXu- | When I'm taking the phone out of my pocket it rejects the call in the process. | 15:17 |
| kerio | MiXu-: get a phone | 15:18 |
| MiXu- | I'm thinking about it | 15:18 |
| MiXu- | Actually this time the call disconnected before I even did anything. I just sat still. | 15:18 |
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| ShadowJK | I've never managed to reject or answer a call in pocket yet :D | 15:22 |
| SpeedEvil | You'd have to shout quite loud, I'd have thought. | 15:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | easy enough, as most likely the proximity sensor will lock the screen | 15:23 |
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| MiXu- | I wonder if mine is working properly. | 15:24 |
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| chem|st | ShadowJK: I just managed to turn of sound as I flipped it in my pocket | 15:26 |
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| MiXu- | Does the proximity sensor lock the screen only during calls, or should it do that on idle as well? | 15:27 |
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| chem|st | only on call | 15:27 |
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| MiXu- | Ok, seems to work | 15:28 |
| * lcuk gulps - 4chan knows about the inverted augmented reality video | 15:31 | |
| kerio | lcuk: *inverted* augumented reality? | 15:31 |
| Termana | lcuk, link to thread? | 15:31 |
| lcuk | kerio, sure http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjSrwpbxyAM | 15:31 |
| RST38h | that is it. you are hacked, dead, dissected, buried, and pissed upon. | 15:31 |
| lcuk | Termana, i cant find it, its linked in referers for the video (click playcount which is skyrocketing) | 15:32 |
| lcuk | RST38h, its on /g/ so tech related thats reasonable i assume | 15:32 |
| RST38h | hardly. | 15:32 |
| Termana | lcuk, I think i found it, but it 404'ed | 15:33 |
| slonopotamus | Termana: how do you pronounce "404'ed"? | 15:33 |
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| lcuk | Termana, how did you find it? | 15:33 |
| kerio | fourohfourd | 15:33 |
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| slonopotamus | okay | 15:34 |
| chem|st | lcuk: impressive | 15:34 |
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| TermanaN900 | damn stupid 3G | 15:35 |
| TermanaN900 | lcuk, googled the link and 4chan | 15:35 |
| achipa | lcuk: cool stuff... front cam or accel ? | 15:35 |
| * SpeedEvil ponders google actually indexing 4chan. | 15:36 | |
| SpeedEvil | lol. | 15:36 |
| Venemo | I'm looking for a help of a Linux guy | 15:36 |
| chem|st | lcuk: it is accelerometer I would guess as it seems like swobby when stopping | 15:36 |
| Venemo | how come that "pidof sticky-notes" returns four different IDs, but "top | grep sticky" show only one running process? | 15:36 |
| chem|st | Venemo: lots of those next door, you want me to get some? | 15:36 |
| Venemo | chem|st: if they can answer my question :) | 15:37 |
| slonopotamus | Venemo: ps ax | grep sticky | 15:37 |
| slonopotamus | Venemo: top is for humans | 15:37 |
| lcuk | chem|st, achipa dont guess :p rate post in youtube or go read the how to on talk.maemo.org i explain everything there | 15:37 |
| achipa | :) | 15:37 |
| * lcuk puts real info into a tmo thread ;) | 15:38 | |
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| chem|st | Venemo: the first is the PID the second I dont know the third is PPID and so on | 15:38 |
| Venemo | slonopotamus: okay, I ran it | 15:38 |
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| Venemo | chem|st: what is a PPID? | 15:39 |
| Corsac | parent pid | 15:39 |
| Venemo | aah... | 15:39 |
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| Venemo | and why is the number of PIDs changing sometimes? | 15:39 |
| achipa | lcuk: for the (terminology) record, this is VR, not AR (inverse or not) :) | 15:39 |
| achipa | (doesn't make it one bit less cool, tho :) ) | 15:39 |
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| Venemo | sometimes "pidof sticky-notes" returns a result even directly after "killall sticky-notes" | 15:40 |
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| slonopotamus | Venemo: killall just sends a signal. it may take some time for app to react on it. | 15:42 |
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| Venemo | as of now, "ps ax | grep sticky" also returns 3 different processes after the killall... and also a minute after that, even though the UI of the app has long disappeared | 15:42 |
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| Venemo | the strangest thing is, only one process of the app should be running at a time, because I use QtSingleApplication and check whether it is running already. if it does, I return with 0. | 15:43 |
| slonopotamus | Venemo: ps ax | grep sticky | grep -v grep is better, otherwise grep's process is included too. | 15:43 |
| Corsac | ps ax | grep [s]ticky is a nice trick | 15:43 |
| Venemo | slonopotamus: I excluded grep's process from my description | 15:44 |
| slonopotamus | Venemo: k | 15:44 |
| slonopotamus | Corsac: why? | 15:44 |
| Venemo | the output looks like something like this: | 15:44 |
| slonopotamus | oh | 15:44 |
| slonopotamus | got it | 15:44 |
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| Venemo | 2486 user 0 Z [sticky-notes] | 15:45 |
| Venemo | 2486 user 0 Z [sticky-notes] | 15:45 |
| Venemo | 2486 user 0 Z [sticky-notes] | 15:45 |
| Venemo | 2852 root 2088 S grep sticky | 15:45 |
| Venemo | obviously the last one is grep's process | 15:45 |
| Venemo | oh, and the three others don't have the same ID | 15:45 |
| Venemo | just three random numbers | 15:45 |
| chem|st | the PID does not cahnge if not restarted but the PPID may change as the parent may disappear or be restarted | 15:45 |
| X-Fade | Venemo: Threads != processes. | 15:45 |
| Venemo | X-Fade: so pidof returns threads, and not processes? | 15:46 |
| X-Fade | Venemo: Fairly recent kernels/linux versions show threads in ps listing. | 15:46 |
| chem|st | Venemo: the stuff in [] are threads | 15:46 |
| Corsac | Z is zombie | 15:46 |
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| Venemo | chem|st: ah, okay | 15:46 |
| Venemo | and what does the 0 and the Z mean? | 15:46 |
| chem|st | Venemo: you get a line like "2355 6786 785 5761"? | 15:46 |
| kerio | X-Fade: or pstree | 15:47 |
| RST38h | Fapman <------ YESSSS | 15:47 |
| slonopotamus | X-Fade: what you said doesn't apply here | 15:47 |
| Venemo | chem|st: yeah, something like that... if you mean pidof | 15:47 |
| slonopotamus | X-Fade: that's true only if explicit option is passed to ps | 15:47 |
| RST38h | Nokia has just lost public use of yet another of its bundled applications | 15:47 |
| chem|st | Venemo: the first is your PID! | 15:47 |
| SpeedEvil | rst: ? | 15:47 |
| Venemo | okay... | 15:47 |
| RST38h | SpeedEvi: Install Faster Application Manager | 15:47 |
| Venemo | and how can I tell whether there is multiple processes running from the same app? | 15:48 |
| SpeedEvil | ah | 15:48 |
| RST38h | SpeedEvil: HAM kaput. | 15:48 |
| Termana | DocScrutinizer, ping | 15:48 |
| chem|st | Venemo: use of pidof with |awk '(print $1)' | 15:48 |
| Venemo | chem|st: how? | 15:48 |
| Venemo | chem|st: pidof sticky-notes | awk '(print $1)' -> ? | 15:49 |
| chem|st | or pidof -s sticky-notes | 15:50 |
| Venemo | chem|st: it returns a single number | 15:51 |
| Venemo | chem|st: but it does even after killall sticky-notes... is there a way to really kill a process? | 15:51 |
| * slonopotamus wonders what one should do in order to produce long-living zombies | 15:51 | |
| toggles_w | "long-living"? | 15:52 |
| slonopotamus | toggles_w: that appear in process table for tens of seconds or even minutes | 15:52 |
| Venemo | slonopotamus: I don't know how I did it, honestly. | 15:53 |
| Macer | yawn | 15:53 |
| RST38h | slonopotamus: The Clockwork Virus of course | 15:53 |
| slonopotamus | Venemo: why you started killing them in first place? | 15:53 |
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| slonopotamus | RST38h: hmm... /me googles | 15:53 |
| RST38h | slnono: SCP-217 | 15:54 |
| Venemo | slonopotamus: it is a daemon that runs in the background. I want to kill it in its prerm script | 15:54 |
| RST38h | slono: http://scp-wiki.wikidot.com/scp-217 | 15:54 |
| Venemo | slonopotamus: also, it is designed in such a way that only one instance of the app should be running at a time | 15:54 |
| alterego | Venemo: you're using upstart right, it's probably running it again. You need to stop it oproperly :P | 15:54 |
| chem|st | slonopotamus: had my xorg in D yesterday | 15:54 |
| slonopotamus | Venemo: did you start it with some system tool? | 15:55 |
| alterego | stop sticky-notes | 15:55 |
| alterego | rather than pkill | 15:55 |
| Venemo | alterego: when the app starts, it checks wheter another instance is running. and if it does, the new instance sends a message to the other, and then shuts itself down | 15:55 |
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| Venemo | slonopotamus: yeah, I have an event.d file | 15:55 |
| alterego | Also, are you using runas user? I think the core is dependant on user. | 15:55 |
| alterego | so your upstart file under event.d should run as "user" | 15:56 |
| Venemo | alterego: it is ran as "user" | 15:56 |
| alterego | good | 15:56 |
| Venemo | alterego: the command is: exec su - user -c "exec run-standalone.sh /opt/sticky-notes/sticky-notes in-background &" & | 15:56 |
| slonopotamus | Venemo: i strongly recommend stopping it with same tools you start daemon | 15:56 |
| alterego | anyway, use stop sticky-notes rather than killing it. | 15:57 |
| alterego | slonopotamus: is basically saying exactly what I am | 15:57 |
| Venemo | alterego: stop sticky-notes returns the following output: "stop: Job not changed: sticky-notes" | 15:57 |
| alterego | upstart is probably restarting your process when you're killing it | 15:57 |
| slonopotamus | alterego: true | 15:57 |
| alterego | strange | 15:58 |
| Venemo | alterego: stop is unable to stop it | 15:58 |
| Venemo | alterego: however, after killed by killall, the widgets disappear, so I don't think upstart restarts it | 15:58 |
| chem|st | but the threads remain | 15:58 |
| chem|st | killall5 may help | 15:59 |
| * chem|st grabs popcorn | 15:59 | |
| alterego | pastie.org your upstart script | 15:59 |
| Venemo | this is the upstart script: | 15:59 |
| Venemo | http://vcs.maemo.org/svn/sticky-notes/sticky-notes/data/sticky-notes | 15:59 |
| chem|st | wait killall5 doesnt kill kernel threads.. | 16:00 |
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| Venemo | alterego: is there something wrong in this script? | 16:01 |
| alterego | Venemo: you don't need any of the '&' symbols | 16:01 |
| Venemo | alterego: yes I do | 16:01 |
| alterego | You shouldn't do | 16:01 |
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| Venemo | alterego: if I don't put them in there, the qDebug() messages start appearing in the console | 16:01 |
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| alterego | Then use the 'console' config option :P | 16:02 |
| lcuk | achipa, nothing wrong with Inverted AR :) | 16:02 |
| lcuk | its realworld positioning system | 16:02 |
| Venemo | alterego: so, the user installs it with dpkg, "start sticky-notes" is called | 16:02 |
| Venemo | alterego: after this, without the & signs, it starts outputting stuff in the console, which is undersired | 16:02 |
| alterego | Add: console none | 16:02 |
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| alterego | to your upstart file. | 16:03 |
| Venemo | alterego: where? | 16:03 |
| tobis87 | I have to reformat the internal Fat32 Partition and as the internal eMMC partitions seem to be aligned to 32kb physical or 64 logical sectors with the size of 512bytes, I would like to ask if I have to format it with 64 sectors per cluster as well. "mkfs.vfat -F 32 -s 64"? | 16:03 |
| alterego | Venemo: this is mine: http://pastie.org/1051943 | 16:03 |
| Venemo | alterego: also, why is stop not working? is it because the &s? | 16:03 |
| alterego | Venemo: yeah probably | 16:03 |
| Venemo | alterego: okay, I'll try it your way | 16:04 |
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| Venemo | alterego: after changing the upstart script, should I change the prerm script, too? | 16:06 |
| alterego | Hrm, I need a shower. | 16:06 |
| Venemo | alterego: http://vcs.maemo.org/svn/sticky-notes/sticky-notes/debian/prerm | 16:07 |
| alterego | Venemo: just edit the upstart script on the device and check it still works :) | 16:07 |
| Venemo | alterego: okay | 16:07 |
| alterego | Venemo: but if you really want to package it and everything then change "killall" to "stop" | 16:07 |
| alterego | I'd test that start and stop work as expected first, including restarting the device and making sure it starts properly. | 16:07 |
| Venemo | alterego: yes, I really want to package it and everything | 16:07 |
| Venemo | alterego: okay, will do | 16:08 |
| alterego | Venemo: sure, but you should get it working first :P | 16:08 |
| Venemo | alterego: true :) | 16:08 |
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| tobis87 | or should I keep the default sectors-per-cluster size of 4kb and define the logical-sector-size to 32768? like "mkfs.vfat -F 32 -S 32768" | 16:10 |
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| Venemo | tobis87: why is the default not good enough for you? | 16:11 |
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| tobis87 | Venemo: The default would be good enough, but as I have to reformat, I don't know if it is calclulated automatically. | 16:14 |
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| alterego | tobis87: it is | 16:14 |
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| alterego | Are you formatting a micro sd? | 16:14 |
| Venemo | alterego: this is just ridiculous | 16:14 |
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| Venemo | alterego: I've changed the upstart script as you recommended | 16:15 |
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| Venemo | alterego: now I have to type Ctrl+C after "start sticky-notes" | 16:15 |
| Venemo | alterego: also, stop sticky-notes seems to work, but it doesn't really stop the process. (the widgets are still there after stopping it) | 16:15 |
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| alterego | Hmm | 16:16 |
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| tobis87 | alterego: ok, is there any tool to check? like tune2fs -l? I noted that mkfs.ext3 creates block-size of 4096 and blocks-per-group of 32768 bytes. I was just not sure that mkfs.vfat is able to do the same. | 16:17 |
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| Venemo | alterego: however it seems that a combination of stop and killall now correctly kills the app | 16:17 |
| tobis87 | alterego: the internal eMMC: MyDocs | 16:17 |
| alterego | tobis87: why do you care? Just use the defaults the program is better suited than your guesses :P | 16:17 |
| alterego | Venemo: hrm .. | 16:18 |
| Venemo | tobis87: why don't you just reflash it? | 16:18 |
| alterego | Wait, what does 'in-background' actually do? | 16:18 |
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| alterego | Does your app background itself with that flag? | 16:18 |
| Venemo | alterego: when it is launched with in-background, it doesn't create a new widget on start | 16:19 |
| alterego | Oh, okay | 16:19 |
| Venemo | alterego: http://vcs.maemo.org/svn/sticky-notes/sticky-notes/main.cpp | 16:19 |
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| alterego | Right, okay | 16:20 |
| alterego | Do you have a package I can play with? | 16:20 |
| alterego | Basically editing your upstart and testing it. | 16:20 |
| alterego | So I need your app executable and any resources it might have. | 16:20 |
| tobis87 | alterego: I had read an article on these new 4kb hdd. And I thought maybe it could have the same problems if I format it without the proper settings. | 16:21 |
| Venemo | alterego: if you checkout the http://vcs.maemo.org/svn/sticky-notes/ it should be fine, but I can send you a .deb in e-mail if you wish | 16:21 |
| alterego | I'll check it out and build it in madde | 16:21 |
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| tobis87 | Venemo: Nah I would only reflash it if it wouldn't boot anymore. | 16:21 |
| Venemo | alterego: I also use madde, so it should work | 16:21 |
| Venemo | tobis87: why is reformatting better than reflash? :D | 16:22 |
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| Venemo | alterego: but it works with the autobuilder, too, so I guess scratchbox can handle it, too | 16:22 |
| alterego | Venemo: what is your svn url? | 16:23 |
| alterego | I guess bad request when I use the link you game me.# | 16:23 |
| Venemo | alterego: http://vcs.maemo.org/svn/sticky-notes/ | 16:23 |
| Venemo | sorry | 16:23 |
| Venemo | my bad | 16:23 |
| Venemo | a moment, please | 16:23 |
| Venemo | https://garage.maemo.org/scm/?group_id=1713 says that the SVN url is https://vcs.maemo.org/svn/sticky-notes | 16:23 |
| tobis87 | Venemo: Because I probably would have to repartitionate it again. | 16:24 |
| Venemo | tobis87: ah, okay. sorry then :) | 16:24 |
| alterego | Venemo: cheers, that worked :) | 16:24 |
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| alterego | I need to have a shower in a moment so I can't promise I'll be quick sorting this out ;)) | 16:25 |
| Venemo | alterego: I'll be trying, too | 16:25 |
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| iksaif | ~seen X-Fade | 16:35 |
| infobot | x-fade is currently on #maemo #meego. Has said a total of 37 messages. Is idling for 48m 58s, last said: 'Venemo: Fairly recent kernels/linux versions show threads in ps listing.'. | 16:35 |
| X-Fade | iksaif: Here | 16:35 |
| Venemo | who wrote infobot? | 16:36 |
| iksaif | X-Fade: https://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/lugdulov_0.1.0-1/i386.build.log.FAILED.txt | 16:36 |
| iksaif | alterego told you could help me with that | 16:36 |
| Venemo | is he specific to #maemo? I haven't seen him on other channels | 16:36 |
| iksaif | seems that there is some issue with Qt/QtMobility and the i386 autobuilder | 16:36 |
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| X-Fade | iksaif: looking | 16:38 |
| Venemo | iksaif: the log doesn't contain the word 'mobility' | 16:38 |
| X-Fade | Venemo: qtm :) | 16:39 |
| iksaif | Location / Bearer | 16:39 |
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| iksaif | but ... it's probably not only QtMobility: | 16:40 |
| iksaif | /targets/maemo5-i386-ca9d8d9164a37e11e189f5a1104569a7158a1042/usr/bin/../lib/gcc/i486-linux-gnu/4.2.1/../../../libQtGui.so: undefined reference to `XSetTile' | 16:40 |
| iksaif | the arm build was successfull | 16:40 |
| iksaif | (and on my scratchbox, both armel and i386 seems to works, it even works on my amd64 gentoo) | 16:41 |
| X-Fade | iksaif: Yes that looks like an X dependency missing. Comparing what root log says for armel and i386. | 16:42 |
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| iksaif | libx11-6 is reported missing, but it's installed according to https://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/lugdulov_0.1.0-1/i386.root.log.OK.txt | 16:44 |
| iksaif | same thing apply to liblocation | 16:44 |
| alterego | I said the problem looked like it was dependencies of your dependencies :) | 16:46 |
| alterego | So talk to X-Fade as he might know what's wrong :D | 16:46 |
| X-Fade | iksaif: But i386 seems to install libx11-6 just fine. | 16:47 |
| iksaif | X-Fade: yep I know .. but ld doesn't seems to find libx11-6 | 16:48 |
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| iksaif | should I use some magic -rpath / -rpath-link / -L flag ? (the strange thing is that it works on armel, is there any path difference between armel and i386 ?) | 16:49 |
| X-Fade | iksaif: There is nothing special you should do. | 16:50 |
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| alterego | Very annoying | 16:53 |
| alterego | Venemo: can't build your package | 16:53 |
| alterego | Can't be bothered to debug | 16:54 |
| alterego | Give me a .deb and I'll look at it a bit later :) | 16:54 |
| iksaif | maybe I could add a ls /targets/maemo5-i386-ca9d8d9164a37e11e189f5a1104569a7158a1042/usr/lib/ to check what's really installed | 16:54 |
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| alterego | iksaif: I doubt that's necessary. | 16:54 |
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| lcuk | achipa, also, if you read the page about how it works, you would know why i say that | 16:55 |
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| alterego | It's fine, until you get in the way of the light sources :P | 16:56 |
| X-Fade | iksaif: The files are there, that is not the problem. | 16:57 |
| X-Fade | iksaif: I wonder if it is symbols related. | 16:57 |
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| iksaif | I don't think it's only symbols related, ld clearly say "[...] libX11.so.6 [...] not found", but I may be wrong | 16:58 |
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| X-Fade | iksaif: Need to debug this. This is weird. | 17:04 |
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| iksaif | X-Fade: do you want the source package ? | 17:04 |
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| iksaif | hum .. nothing .. it's already in results/ | 17:05 |
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| X-Fade | iksaif: Don't need it. https://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/lugdulov_0.1.0-1/results/ | 17:05 |
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| achipa | lcuk: er... the VR vs AR thing ? Still hard to tell - in my eyes AR implies that the 'reality' segment provides *content*. But then again, I might simply be wrong :) | 17:06 |
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| lcuk | achipa, either way its different ;) | 17:13 |
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| X-Fade | iksaif: Quick workaround is to disable building for i386 in your package. If you are in a hurry. | 17:15 |
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| iksaif | X-Fade: no hurry :), I just wanted to know what I should do | 17:18 |
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| iksaif | I should change the arch line in debian/control right ? | 17:19 |
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| X-Fade | iksaif: Yes. | 17:19 |
| ag0ny | I have a Java application running with icedtea6 OpenJDK VM. Is it possible to make the application run in fullscreen without changing any sourcecode? | 17:20 |
| X-Fade | iksaif: I wonder if somehow the path gets messed up during the build. | 17:20 |
| ag0ny | Or the other way around: Can I hide the top bar showing the clock and so on? | 17:20 |
| dmj726_devel | jrocha: I've got pygoocanvas ported | 17:20 |
| dmj726_devel | and I'm working on getting ocrfeeder running | 17:21 |
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| dmj726_devel | jrocha: When I try to run ocrfeeder, it gives the following error: | 17:22 |
| dmj726_devel | File "/home/jordan/workspace/ocrfeeder/util/lib.py", line 27, in <module> | 17:22 |
| dmj726_devel | from gnome import url_show | 17:22 |
| dmj726_devel | ImportError: cannot import name url_show | 17:22 |
| E0x | missing module | 17:24 |
| E0x | look like | 17:24 |
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| * DocScrutinizer *sigh* | 17:25 | |
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| iksaif | X-Fade: maybe it's related to cmake and I should use qmake for the maemo package | 17:28 |
| iksaif | but the last g++ line seems clean to me | 17:28 |
| X-Fade | iksaif: It can set some env var or reset the path. | 17:29 |
| iksaif | but .. why does it work with armel then ? :/ strange | 17:30 |
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| X-Fade | iksaif: i386 for qtm contains some different code but I really don't think that is what causes this. | 17:31 |
| iksaif | libpng, libjpeg, libz, libX11 are not found too, so it's probably not only related to qtm | 17:33 |
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| iksaif | is there a way to simulate the autobuilder ? (get the same rootfs) | 17:34 |
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| X-Fade | iksaif: It is just using the released rootfs and the rpos. | 17:35 |
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| iksaif | do you get a link for the rootfs ? I didn't manage to find it :/ | 17:37 |
| X-Fade | iksaif: http://repository.maemo.org/stable/fremantle/i386/ | 17:37 |
| iksaif | thanks | 17:38 |
| chem|st | anyone an idea how to sort desktops in another order? I do not find the file(s) where the setup is stored | 17:38 |
| iksaif | I'll try to debug that this evening, and get back to you if I found something .. | 17:38 |
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| LjL | does the N900 have a transflective screen like the N810? | 17:42 |
| SpeedEvil | somewhat | 17:42 |
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| SpeedEvil | it's quite visible in direct sunlight - at the right angles | 17:43 |
| SpeedEvil | in diffuse light - not so much | 17:43 |
| dmj726_devel | good contrast in sunlight, but the colors are weird. | 17:43 |
| SpeedEvil | yeah | 17:43 |
| dmj726_devel | so webpages are easy to read in sunlight, but don't try to paint in it. | 17:44 |
| SpeedEvil | Good contrast in direct sunlight - with the screen pointed the right way - though not very critical, you will often need to move | 17:44 |
| chem|st | LjL: yes | 17:44 |
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| LjL | thanks | 17:44 |
| chem|st | SpeedEvil: mmh experienced different... just don't mirror the sun to your face... | 17:45 |
| chem|st | ;) | 17:45 |
| chem|st | does anyone know where to find the desktop files where the positions of icons and applets is stored? | 17:45 |
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| SpeedEvil | I mean - there are some angles it doesn't work in | 17:45 |
| SpeedEvil | in direct sun you will generally see something if there isn't a direct reflection. | 17:46 |
| SpeedEvil | to get a 'good' picture requires a bit more | 17:46 |
| chem|st | but really just a bit... a bit tilt and roll and you are good | 17:46 |
| SpeedEvil | yeah | 17:46 |
| E0x | hmm the metal ring of the camera when the flash is used make look bad | 17:47 |
| E0x | the pictures | 17:47 |
| chem|st | not much of an effort to have a crystal clear picture with odd colours ;) | 17:47 |
| SpeedEvil | E0x: careful it's not actually a finger | 17:47 |
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| dmj726_devel | I'm willing to put up with dark blue text on a yellowish background if it's readable in sunlight. | 17:48 |
| E0x | SpeedEvil: hehehe | 17:48 |
| E0x | na | 17:48 |
| chem|st | SpeedEvil: no had that myself lately its brightning up on top | 17:48 |
| SpeedEvil | I know - I've seen it too | 17:48 |
| SpeedEvil | especially in 'night' mode | 17:48 |
| chem|st | dmj726_devel: that doesnt matter, the colours are just turned metal... | 17:49 |
| SpeedEvil | It's fine for watching movies in the sun | 17:49 |
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| chem|st | SpeedEvil: any idea for the desktop files (I know I found them once but forgot where) | 17:51 |
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| SpeedEvil | Sorry - no clue | 17:51 |
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| pyversionsvictim | is anyone here familiar with how one packages a python based application in debian? | 17:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | E0x: I painted it black with a marker | 17:51 |
| pyversionsvictim | i need my python app to be run using 'python2.5' not '/usr/bin/python' | 17:52 |
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| E0x | DocScrutinizer: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=448631&postcount=64 | 17:52 |
| E0x | better | 17:52 |
| baraujo | pyversionsvictim, see here: http://wiki.maemo.org/PyMaemo/FAQ#When_I_build_my_Python_application_on_Scratchbox.2C_files_are_installed_in_.2Fscratchbox.2F..._How_do_I_modify_Debian_packaging_so_the_correct_Python_interpreter_is_called.3F | 17:53 |
| E0x | DocScrutinizer: hehe i was thinking in that | 17:53 |
| E0x | right now | 17:53 |
| th3hate_ | how to make miroB add-ons page like this one? | 17:53 |
| th3hate_ | http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/9658/screenshot2010072016232.jpg | 17:53 |
| kerio | mo | 17:53 |
| kerio | er | 17:53 |
| kerio | microb addons suck | 17:53 |
| th3hate_ | my addons page looks different | 17:53 |
| th3hate_ | only has extensions and plugins on top | 17:54 |
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| th3hate_ | no themes and languages | 17:54 |
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| DocScrutinizer | E0x: edding 400 black permanent marker | 17:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | WFM | 17:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | if you want to get fancy, you could use silk finish varnish | 17:57 |
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| E0x | DocScrutinizer: hehe , ok thx | 17:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer | http://www.modellbau-seidel.de/index.php?firma=Revell&best=32302&name=schwarz,-seidenmatt-Nr.302-14ml&lang=de | 18:00 |
| E0x | i am not that fancy | 18:01 |
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| chem|st | DocScrutinizer: should have some of those at home | 18:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | I only painted the inner side 'visible' from lens, so when you look at phone back with lens slider closed you don't even notice the modification | 18:03 |
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| jrocha | dmj726_devel, remove the url_show line because that is used to launch a browser | 18:06 |
| jrocha | and not really needed | 18:06 |
| LjL | uhmmm i see that on ebay there are several fake offers that are actually for chinese copies of the N900. does anyone have hints on spotting them? | 18:06 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer: what's the problem with the border? | 18:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | blue glares when using flashlight | 18:07 |
| nidO | LjL, example links? | 18:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | LjL: price? | 18:07 |
| LjL | nidO: i was just reading a review at http://www.ainu.it/cellulari/cect-n900-dualsim/ | 18:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | LjL: ...if not for the tech specs | 18:08 |
| LjL | DocScrutinizer: that's only know at the auction end though ;) | 18:08 |
| nidO | well | 18:08 |
| nidO | dual sim = fake | 18:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | java = fake | 18:08 |
| nidO | running symbian = fake | 18:08 |
| LjL | right, but the auction might not say that. i need to look at the photo | 18:09 |
| nidO | being called "n900 style phone" = not an n900. | 18:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | LjL: even the photo may be faked. So no way to tell for sure | 18:09 |
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| nidO | if you buy one that's advertised as an n900, NOT an "n900-style" device, then the seller's liable through ebay + paypal's buyer protection if what you get isnt an n900. | 18:10 |
| nidO | most of the knock-off adverts clearly say theyre n900-style devices though, which people just dont read properly, and theyre perfectly legit sales and it's your problem if what you get isnt what you expected | 18:10 |
| dmj726_devel | jrocha: thanks | 18:12 |
| LjL | nidO: well i've seen a few where they specify "dual sim" but otherwise say nokia n900. but you're right about the buyer protection. | 18:12 |
| LjL | still, i would prefer, if at all possible, to spot the fake beforehand ;) | 18:12 |
| smhar_ | usb networking is working fine between my N900 and debian notebook, but the connection keeps getting lost that I have to keep doing ifdown usb0 ; ifup usb0 | 18:12 |
| flux | reminds me of the ebay sale of "XBOX - BOX ONLY" raking big bids | 18:12 |
| LjL | heh | 18:12 |
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| infobot | alterego is currently on #maemo (3h 11m 58s) #meego (3h 11m 58s). Has said a total of 201 messages. Is idling for 1h 16m 18s, last said: 'It's fine, until you get in the way of the light sources :P'. | 18:13 |
| LjL | what do you think is reasonable ebay price for a genuine n900 anyway | 18:13 |
| nidO | what currency | 18:13 |
| Venemo | ~seen w00t_ | 18:13 |
| infobot | w00t_ is currently on #maemo (3d 10m 47s) #meego (3d 10m 47s). Has said a total of 16 messages. Is idling for 4h 26m 23s, last said: 'Kompo: good question, I don't know where they hang out.. might be an idea to send a mail to the ML and ask whether there is anything set up'. | 18:13 |
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| LjL | nidO: i use euro, but i guess i could buy from the UK too (not really from the US) | 18:14 |
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| pyversionsvictim | baraujo: thanks, but that wasn't what i was looking for | 18:14 |
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| baraujo | pyversionsvictim, how are you running your app? | 18:14 |
| pyversionsvictim | it turns out that my problems were caused mostly by a set of very evil debian/rules lines | 18:14 |
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| pyversionsvictim | /usr/bin/foo :) | 18:15 |
| baraujo | :) | 18:15 |
| pyversionsvictim | the problem was that one of the debian/rules lines kept rewriting my #! line | 18:15 |
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| pyversionsvictim | my next problem is how to get SBOX_DPKG_BUILDDEPS=no to be internalized by debian/rules | 18:15 |
| nidO | LjL: generally the £250 mark plus, though it's worth noting that the n900 is now in the clearance range on mobiles.co.uk so you can get it guaranteed legitimately from them for £250 | 18:15 |
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| LjL | i'm basically in doubt whether to get a Motorola Milestone or an N900. i was going for the Milestone because i believed (mistakenly) an N900 would have been much more expensive | 18:17 |
| kerio | n900 > else | 18:17 |
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| pyversionsvictim | any ideas? | 18:17 |
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| LjL | kerio: as hardware and openness goes, i think so. however Android has just so much more software, as far as i can see | 18:18 |
| nidO | well the device is 9 months old now and it's going to become redundant *very* quickly if there's no properly functioning meego port, once meego devices start showing up on shelves in the next 6 months | 18:18 |
| rmrfchik | where is stored info about running widgets? | 18:18 |
| nidO | so the price has been dropping like a stone | 18:18 |
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| kerio | meego/harmattan will be ok to develop and use imho | 18:19 |
| kerio | and i have the full debian repo right in front of my eyes | 18:19 |
| kerio | android can't beat that | 18:19 |
| LjL | the Motorola Milestone is so closed - i mean Android itself is open enough, but they required signed kernels and signed stuff. the N900 seems so much better in that respect | 18:20 |
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| LjL | kerio: true, Android can't beat that (although you can run arbitrary Linux apps on some Android phones too, i think, by installing libraries), but it has to be considered that those aren't apps *made* to work on a phone. | 18:20 |
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| kerio | LjL: that's awesome, the n900 is not a phone! | 18:21 |
| kerio | :D | 18:21 |
| LjL | except you know, it is ;( | 18:22 |
| nidO | tbh, given the choice of a brand new device right now i'd be hard-pushed not to get a Streak | 18:22 |
| LjL | or if it's not, then the Milestone isn't either | 18:22 |
| dmj726_devel | ...and apparently the Droid X has hardware included to brick your device if you try to run alternate kernels | 18:22 |
| LjL | Streak? | 18:22 |
| nidO | yes | 18:22 |
| Venemo | rmrfchik: gconf | 18:22 |
| LjL | dmj726_devel: that's FUD | 18:22 |
| dmj726_devel | ...is it? | 18:22 |
| nidO | dell streak, 5" android tablet / enormophone | 18:22 |
| Termana | LjL, theres an Android port in the mix for the n900. So you can buy one device and hit two birds with the one hammer. MeeGo and Android | 18:22 |
| kerio | alternate kernels don't work though | 18:22 |
| LjL | dmj726_devel: quite positive | 18:23 |
| kerio | lol nitdroid | 18:23 |
| LjL | Termana: i know, but currently the port is lacking lots of functionality including the phone itself | 18:23 |
| nidO | tbh, great though the nitdroid project is, lets be realistic, it's never going to get polished enough to be at a consumer-usable state on the n900. | 18:23 |
| dmj726_devel | ...note: droidX, not droid | 18:23 |
| Stskeeps | nidO: though i'm on meego side, that's a bit mean to say :P | 18:23 |
| dmj726_devel | I'm hoping meego will be at least maemo 5 usable on n900 | 18:24 |
| toggles_w | dmj726_devel: moto released a statement saying it's not true | 18:24 |
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| Termana | LjL, its getting there. a few bugs still need to be worked out, the last i heard from the guy working on that part (phone), but its nearly there. A good reason why I went with the n900 (only made my purchase recently), being able to have them both. | 18:25 |
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| dmj726_devel | okay...yeah it just goes into a "recovery mode" | 18:25 |
| lcuk | nidO, problem is: if the open meego is aimed to be consumer usable ANYWHERE it will have to have the same amount of polishing and more | 18:25 |
| lcuk | so the hard work and progress Stskeeps is making towards it helps all oems later | 18:26 |
| dmj726_devel | still device that requires signed kernels vs one that gives you graphical tools to modify your kernel | 18:26 |
| kerio | lcuk: since when was the n900 aimed at end users? | 18:27 |
| nidO | since it was advertised in shops. | 18:27 |
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| dmj726_devel | hey, my Mom loves her n900 | 18:28 |
| lcuk | kerio, my girlfriend has one | 18:28 |
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| lcuk | my son and his mates want em | 18:28 |
| dmj726_devel | had a friend and an uncle buy one | 18:28 |
| lcuk | tho the rate luke goes throguh phones hes not having one for a while ;) | 18:29 |
| kerio | well, they don't care about maemo/harmattan/meego/android | 18:29 |
| dmj726_devel | ...though my uncle probably bought it because my mom was bragging. | 18:29 |
| smhar_ | for the dede | 18:29 |
| nidO | end users can care about wanting "better" things too, and thats my point. nitdroid is great for geekiness right now, but until it's polished and working fine, it wont ever even be an option for end-users | 18:29 |
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| smhar_ | for the developers here, what do I need to start developing python and qt in/for N900? | 18:30 |
| kerio | smhar_: apt-get install python-qt | 18:30 |
| lcuk | end users wont change OS | 18:30 |
| nidO | and for what it's worth, following the past 8 months of vague education of my girlfriend regarding phones etc, shes looking forward to getting a stable fully-functional Froyo rom on her hd2. | 18:30 |
| kerio | or something | 18:30 |
| lcuk | its like expecting people with windows computers to change to linux | 18:30 |
| lcuk | or to move from internet explorer | 18:30 |
| dmj726_devel | then install pygtkeditor or whatever thing you want to type in | 18:30 |
| nidO | I run windows on my workstation. | 18:30 |
| * lcuk uses windows as well as linux | 18:31 | |
| kerio | lcuk: my aunt is really happy with ubuntu | 18:31 |
| dmj726_devel | I have Windows on some computers | 18:31 |
| dmj726_devel | it gets booted at least monthly. | 18:31 |
| dmj726_devel | usually | 18:31 |
| lcuk | i cant remember the last time i rebooted for stragne reasons | 18:31 |
| lcuk | normally only in a powercut | 18:31 |
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| nidO | iv never rebooted either of my win7 machines for any unintentional reason | 18:31 |
| nidO | and iv been running it on both of them since the day the rc1 release came out | 18:32 |
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| dmj726_devel | Windows gets booted that often...linux gets booted whenever I update the kernel | 18:32 |
| lcuk | nidO, you cannot upgrade from rc1 to final can you? | 18:32 |
| nidO | no, i did have to intentionally reboot both to install final | 18:32 |
| LjL | nidO: do you think it may be worth waiting some more for the price to drop like a stone some more, or the day meego/android work well on it, the price will skyrocket before i can even realize? | 18:33 |
| nidO | but, no crashes, hangs, freezes, or any of the bullshit that raving nix fanboys associate with the dreaded m$ operating system theyve never used and couldnt use properly back when they did | 18:33 |
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| nidO | LjL, I cant really see the n900 going much below the current £250 before it simply stops being sold | 18:33 |
| dmj726_devel | Windows' problem isn't crashing, freezing etc these days | 18:34 |
| dmj726_devel | ...it's all the other unpleasant things | 18:34 |
| nidO | what is it then, restarting once a month, maybe? | 18:34 |
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| Khertan | Hi ! | 18:34 |
| dmj726_devel | windows getting stuck on updates while booting? | 18:35 |
| nidO | what is this, 2003? | 18:35 |
| Termana | Good night everyone | 18:35 |
| dmj726_devel | no, I've seen Vista do that on at least a dozen machines | 18:36 |
| nidO | I must admit I did have to power down my fileserver last week to add more ram to it, it'd only been up since last october :\ | 18:36 |
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| Venemo | dmj726_devel: vista is admittedly a piece of crap, but 7 is much nicer | 18:36 |
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| kerio | i know people still using xp 32bit on a 64bit quadcore with 8gb of ram | 18:37 |
| kerio | :/ | 18:37 |
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| nidO | the main problem with vista is bad user experience due to shitty oem's trying to cram the full vista experience on piece of shit £300 computers, i personally never much liked vista but it doesnt deserve half the stick it gets | 18:37 |
| dmj726_devel | 7 is better, though I haven't had the opportunity to see if it displays the same behavior in the update reboot | 18:38 |
| Venemo | dmj726_devel: it "configures" the updates on reboot sometimes, yes. but it is faster and less annoying | 18:38 |
| dmj726_devel | I also find Vista and later have some driver support issues | 18:38 |
| nidO | fwiw, I do have vista on one of my crummy laptops, granted I dont use that laptop much but that means every time I do there're updates waiting that then want a reboot, and iv never had any problems applying them | 18:38 |
| dr34m | also always depends on the users | 18:39 |
| dmj726_devel | I also had problems upgrading vista to 7 on a few people's machines | 18:39 |
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| dr34m | i never had problems with vista ;) | 18:39 |
| nidO | upgrading = doing it wrong | 18:39 |
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| Venemo | nidO: this is actually true | 18:40 |
| dmj726_devel | had to do a full reinstall = questions about why things are missing and please get them back | 18:40 |
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| dmj726_devel | ...for weeks | 18:40 |
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| dr34m | :| | 18:40 |
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| Venemo | dmj726_devel: and if you do a full reinstall of any other operating system, you don't get questions about why things are missing? | 18:40 |
| dmj726_devel | Linux full reinstalls basically mean grab the package list and home partition. | 18:40 |
| nidO | use migration tool to generate backup, then full reinstall? | 18:41 |
| dmj726_devel | MS registry makes problems | 18:41 |
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| dmj726_devel | ...and I'm not about to copy a Vista registry to a random windows 7 install...just seems like a recipe for problems. | 18:42 |
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| Venemo | dmj726_devel: it is a recipe for problems. | 18:42 |
| chem|st | ok its gconf again for position of desktop stuff... | 18:42 |
| Khertan | the first ingredient for your recipe is corrupted ... | 18:42 |
| dmj726_devel | which leaves reinstalling apps, configuring settings, one by one | 18:43 |
| Khertan | avoid win | 18:43 |
| Khertan | someone remember where repository signature are available on maemo ? | 18:44 |
| Khertan | someone remember where repository signature are stored on maemo ? | 18:44 |
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| dmj726_devel | Linux's home folder strategy is much nicer with respect to recovery/upgrading. | 18:44 |
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| Khertan | / Don't open connections in parallel, that brings the little devices | 18:45 |
| Khertan | / down to their knees. | 18:45 |
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| Khertan | lol | 18:45 |
| Khertan | nice comment | 18:45 |
| Venemo | Khertan: where did you find that comment? | 18:46 |
| nidO | dmj726_devel: I dont understand why you'd have to reconfigure anything beyond just running through the installers for the software you need on the fresh install. | 18:46 |
| dmj726_devel | some people like to tweak settings...the installers are of course a much bigger pain. | 18:46 |
| Khertan | Venemo, Nokia-N900:~# cat /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/00maemo | 18:47 |
| nidO | but you can backup/restore all software and system settings in like 5 clicks | 18:47 |
| nidO | windows easy transfer > backup everything on the vista machine to a dvd/network > install win7 > run through software installers > restore backup = identical system but on win7 rather than vista | 18:48 |
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| Khertan | W: GPG error: http://khertan.net fremantle-1.2 Release: The following signatures were invalid: NODATA 1 NODATA 2 | 18:49 |
| Khertan | grr i don't understand why i got this fucking apt error | 18:49 |
| Khertan | someone have my repository installed on his device ? | 18:50 |
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| lcuk | Khertan, i reflashed since and im not at home so having trouble with wifi | 19:07 |
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| DocScrutinizer | chem|st: lart gconf | 19:16 |
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| corecode | http://pastie.org/1052250 | 19:17 |
| corecode | any idea why my linux host says than when plugin in the n900? | 19:17 |
| corecode | the messages keep appearing | 19:18 |
| corecode | and no drive shows up | 19:18 |
| mgedmin | corecode, is your linux host a T4x series thinkpad by any chance? | 19:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | cable broken? | 19:18 |
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| corecode | gah cable again? | 19:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | dunno, seen that sometimes, but usually it "fixed itself" when I rebooted or used other port or other cable | 19:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | (seen that not on N900 though, other devices) | 19:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | might as well be a N900 kernel issue | 19:20 |
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| corecode | yeh cable | 19:20 |
| corecode | damn | 19:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | k | 19:20 |
| corecode | bastard chinese cable manufacturer | 19:20 |
| corecode | s | 19:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | yup | 19:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | glad to help :-D | 19:21 |
| corecode | any idea for a decent cable that's not too expensive? | 19:21 |
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| chem|st | DocScrutinizer: lart? | 19:22 |
| corecode | :/ this sdcard is slower than my internet connection | 19:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~lart gconf | 19:23 |
| * infobot decapitates gconf conan the destroyer style | 19:23 | |
| chem|st | corecode: I paid 1eur for each... have 6 nokia made in china... | 19:23 |
| chem|st | DocScrutinizer: oh yes | 19:23 |
| corecode | chem|st: all work? | 19:24 |
| chem|st | corecode: so far yes | 19:24 |
| corecode | or all are broken? | 19:24 |
| corecode | also for charging? | 19:24 |
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| chem|st | but the coat is about 4 times of the shipped with and not very easy to realign | 19:25 |
| corecode | coat? | 19:25 |
| chem|st | mantle | 19:25 |
| chem|st | cladding | 19:25 |
| corecode | not sure i understand the sentence | 19:25 |
| chem|st | dont know what you call it for copper wire | 19:25 |
| corecode | where did you get them? | 19:26 |
| chem|st | amazone | 19:26 |
| chem|st | amazon | 19:26 |
| corecode | oh | 19:26 |
| corecode | i see | 19:26 |
| chem|st | was about 8eur with shipment | 19:27 |
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| chem|st | the cleading of the wire smells like old tires and is as much bendable | 19:27 |
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| corecode | mm there are mini->micro adapters | 19:27 |
| chem|st | corecode: country? | 19:27 |
| corecode | maybe that's better | 19:27 |
| corecode | switzerland/germany | 19:27 |
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| TomaszD | lbt, any news? | 19:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | corecode: yep | 19:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | got 3 pcs recently | 19:28 |
| corecode | DocScrutinizer: they work better? | 19:28 |
| chem|st | corecode: http://www.amazon.de/Nokia-CA-101-Datenkabel/dp/B000U6QPFI/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&s=ce-de&qid=1279643282&sr=8-3 | 19:28 |
| corecode | [3718017.402442] sd 52330:0:0:1: [sdf] Sense Key : Medium Error [current] | 19:28 |
| corecode | WEH? | 19:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | they look like they work, but then that's just little dongles with a micro male and a mini female | 19:28 |
| corecode | this is a new card! | 19:28 |
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| DocScrutinizer | corecode: this is a new *broken* card it seems | 19:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | not that unusual | 19:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer | kingston? | 19:30 |
| chem|st | I am no more | 19:31 |
| Stskeeps | hm? | 19:31 |
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| * chem|st is starving and needs to go shopping first... | 19:32 | |
| raimo | is there a way to get vnc viewer working properly when you got multiple monitors on you pc? | 19:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | chem|st: same here | 19:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | dealing with administration and helping things to move whole day, and no time to go buy some food :-S | 19:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer | anyway, as long as it gets h-e-n out of limbo state, it's worth it | 19:34 |
| GAN900 | Man the community forum is dead. | 19:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | awwww | 19:34 |
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| corecode | DocScrutinizer: yes, kingston | 19:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | knew you'd say that :-p | 19:34 |
| corecode | no! | 19:34 |
| corecode | sandisk | 19:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | oooh | 19:35 |
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| DocScrutinizer | sure it's no fake? | 19:35 |
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| corecode | came from a reputable dealer | 19:35 |
| raimo | or is there a wifi remote, like bluemaemo? | 19:35 |
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| DocScrutinizer | hmm | 19:35 |
| smhar2 | what is the point of having a youtube app when you can not view or download any flash?! | 19:36 |
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| Dongle | hello | 19:40 |
| corecode | so how do i know if a cable is authentic? | 19:41 |
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| kerio | corecode: buy it from nokia | 19:43 |
| kerio | wait, what cable? | 19:43 |
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| * mgedmin has a laptop with a SD card reader -- but you push the card all the way in, it won't work; you have to pull it out half a milimetre to have it work ... | 19:45 | |
| SpeedEvil | duct tape to the rescue! | 19:47 |
| corecode | kerio: micro usb | 19:47 |
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| RST38h | uffff | 19:55 |
| Venemo | bye guys, good evening to you all | 19:56 |
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| chem|st | fooood! | 20:00 |
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| barisione | hi, is osso-backup supposed to restore the tags for images? if not where is the metadata kept? | 20:01 |
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| chem|st | corecode: if you can tell it is not authentic you know... | 20:02 |
| corecode | chem|st: if it costs less than $20? | 20:02 |
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| SpeedEvil | barisione: at least lat/lon is stored in exif | 20:03 |
| SpeedEvil | I'm unsure if more is | 20:03 |
| barisione | hm, could be | 20:03 |
| barisione | I'm reflashing and restoring again as the previous restore failed | 20:03 |
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| chem|st | corecode: no it is normal to be around 3eur if cheap | 20:04 |
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| corecode | chem|st: for an authentic nokia? | 20:05 |
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| chem|st | corecode: in the store it is about 5eur | 20:05 |
| corecode | hmmm | 20:06 |
| corecode | which store is that? | 20:06 |
| corecode | not talking about mini-usb | 20:06 |
| corecode | but micro usb | 20:06 |
| chem|st | mediamarkt | 20:07 |
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| chem|st | the amazon one for 2.72eur should be just fine | 20:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | compare old cam, new (1.2) genuine cam, and blessn900: http://share.ovi.com/media/joerg900.public/joerg900.10031?sort=0 -1/+3 | 20:08 |
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| kerio | SpeedEvil: geotags are stupid | 20:25 |
| kerio | particularly because they require data | 20:25 |
| kerio | the AGPS also requires data, which is stupid too - i guess | 20:25 |
| kerio | but at least it helps | 20:26 |
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| kerio | worse thing is that there's no way to disable geotagging without disabling the gps too | 20:26 |
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| TomaszD | geotags only require data to pull the name of the city, otherwise you get coordinates without data. AGPS is what it is - it's ASSISTED GPS, assisted by data | 20:26 |
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| RST38h | Moo VDVsx | 20:26 |
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| DocScrutinizer | moo RST38h - fixed your blueblinkbusiness? | 20:27 |
| kerio | TomaszD: yeah but you can't tell camera-ui to stop bugging you for the tags | 20:27 |
| ml-mobile | man, as much as I like this thing, it's tendency to become totally unresponsive still pisses me off | 20:27 |
| rmrfchik | where is stored info about running widgets? | 20:27 |
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| RST38h | Doc: ? what business ? | 20:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | the blue indicator flashing issue | 20:28 |
| VDVsx | RST38h, hey :) | 20:28 |
| alterego | urgh, I feel ill | 20:28 |
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| DocScrutinizer | alterego: shit, eat your meds | 20:29 |
| alterego | I am, I think the metronidazole is making me feel a bit off. | 20:29 |
| alterego | Though I've only had one, so it might be a placebo effect thing | 20:29 |
| alterego | Probably about time I took another couple of pills though. | 20:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | nah, antibiotica tend to hit hard on first ingestion, normalizes after a day or two usually | 20:30 |
| alterego | I have quite bad eczema sometimes, so I'm used to normal penicilin based antibiotics | 20:30 |
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| alterego | But metronidazole is something I've not had before. | 20:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | RST38h: I found xchat /notify_mode a real PITA, esp since it's not even persistent over prog restarts it seems | 20:31 |
| rmrfchik | nobody knows? sad :( | 20:31 |
| alterego | DocScrutinizer: can't you stick it in the start up scripts? | 20:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | RST38h: well I can include the desired setting in my startup script | 20:32 |
| alterego | rmrfchik: it's in gconf | 20:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | alterego: hehe, great minds think alike | 20:32 |
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| rmrfchik | alterego: thanks | 20:32 |
| alterego | :) | 20:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer | RST38h: alterego: nevertheless it's *odd*. I'd call it a BUG | 20:33 |
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| alterego | Well, I don't know if it's "odd" I don't know what the command does :) | 20:33 |
| alterego | Anyhow, I use irssi running in a screen session on a remote server so .. | 20:33 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: WONTFIX | 20:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: :-P | 20:33 |
| alterego | The only thing that pisses me off is when the server goes down, which is usually a couple of times a month | 20:34 |
| jacekowski | alterego: i have my own server | 20:34 |
| jacekowski | 19:34:51 up 49 days, 5:01, 1 user, load average: 0.04, 0.03, 0.00 | 20:34 |
| alterego | jacekowski: I used to, then I got screwed over by my ISP and lost my job, so I can't really afford it anymore :( | 20:34 |
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| DocScrutinizer | alterego: the command needs to be issued each time xchat is started, to stop that *annoying* blue LED blinking | 20:35 |
| alterego | Yeah, I had uptimes of months too :( (boohoohoo) | 20:35 |
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| DocScrutinizer | that happens each tijme there's a highlight in xchat | 20:35 |
| jacekowski | find another job | 20:35 |
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| alterego | DocScrutinizer: ah, right, maemo specific option that triggers notification light, right :) | 20:35 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer: you can disable "other notifies" in the settings | 20:35 |
| alterego | jacekowski: I want to, I just don't know what to do. And I really want to focus on mobile dev :/ | 20:35 |
| RST38h | Doc: Oh that one...I do think MCE dies every now and then, no other explanation | 20:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | kerio: don't see that | 20:36 |
| alterego | I'd apply for Nokia or Qt if I thought they'd take me, but I don't think I'd be too interested in their projects. | 20:36 |
| RST38h | Or maybe Modest does turn it off after a while | 20:36 |
| alterego | And they probably wouldn't take me, | 20:36 |
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| jacekowski | alterego: so you live off my taxes | 20:36 |
| kerio | settings->notify signals or something | 20:36 |
| jacekowski | alterego: go work in tesco | 20:36 |
| kerio | it_IT here | 20:36 |
| kerio | btw, is it normal that i removed the battery for like 10 seconds and it asked for the time&date? | 20:37 |
| alterego | jacekowski: I'm not living off anyones taxes (yet) | 20:37 |
| kerio | :/ | 20:37 |
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| alterego | jacekowski: but I've had enough tax contributions to feel happy enough living off of _my_taxes_ :P | 20:37 |
| alterego | for a while. | 20:37 |
| jacekowski | nah some nigger was living off your taxes | 20:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | kerio: depends. The backup batteries are general broken crap. Shouldn't happen | 20:38 |
| kerio | :( | 20:38 |
| kerio | :( :( :( | 20:38 |
| kerio | i'll send it to nokia | 20:38 |
| jacekowski | and now you are living off my and everyone else taxes | 20:38 |
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| DocScrutinizer | kerio: sure | 20:39 |
| kerio | will they fix it? | 20:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | should | 20:39 |
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| kerio | s/fix/substitute/ | 20:39 |
| infobot | kerio meant: will they substitute it? | 20:39 |
| kerio | and does it really matter? | 20:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's ot supposed to lose time/date on 10s bat removal | 20:39 |
| kerio | it's plugged in atm | 20:39 |
| Andy80 | hi guys | 20:39 |
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| alterego | jacekowski: I don't have any benifits, so no, I'm not living off of your anything :P | 20:39 |
| alterego | jacekowski: are you even in the UK :P | 20:39 |
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| jacekowski | yes i am | 20:40 |
| Andy80 | could I know who are the responsables of "Maemo Coding Competition" ? --> http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_Coding_Competition_1 | 20:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | kerio: they will fix it, by replacing backup battery by an equally crappy one :-P | 20:40 |
| kerio | :( | 20:40 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: mine loses time as well | 20:40 |
| kerio | i really hate you guys | 20:40 |
| kerio | my n900 was perfect before i /joined #maemo | 20:40 |
| iksaif | X-Fade: from i386 rootfs: apt-get install liblocation0 | 20:40 |
| iksaif | fails | 20:41 |
| kerio | now it's a buggy computer with a broken charging daemon and a lot of bugs | 20:41 |
| iksaif | because liblocation0 is not found | 20:41 |
| jacekowski | tablet | 20:41 |
| kerio | right | 20:41 |
| iksaif | is http://stage a special repo, or it's just a clone ? | 20:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: OM FR seems to use same batery, and we did a poll and found some 75% of devices had broken backup cells and didn't survive 30s of main bat removal | 20:41 |
| alterego | But yeah, I'm not on any kind of benifits at the moment. | 20:41 |
| alterego | So, keep your taxes | 20:41 |
| jacekowski | well om was a design disaster | 20:42 |
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| kerio | i had to remove the battery because it was stuck - does that matter? | 20:42 |
| kerio | maybe it's not the internal battery | 20:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | otoh keeping time/date over bat removal is really a low priority, tbh | 20:42 |
| jacekowski | very unlikely | 20:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | I mean that's a device supposed to be always-online and there's such things like NTP | 20:43 |
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| jacekowski | well ntp will not sync if delta is too big | 20:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | right, except if you kick NTP's arse | 20:44 |
| kerio | ntpdate --sync-the-fucking-clock-you-asshole | 20:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | lol | 20:44 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ntpdate | 20:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | ntptime | 20:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | whatever it's called | 20:44 |
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| kerio | yay it resisted for 5 seconds or so | 20:45 |
| kerio | what? unexpected reboot? | 20:46 |
| kerio | :o | 20:46 |
| kerio | he wasn't expecting my reboot | 20:46 |
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| Andy80 | I try to ask again: is anyone of you aware of the "Maemo Coding Competition" ?! | 20:52 |
| Andy80 | nobody.... nice... | 20:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | kerio: (my n900 was perfect) would it help if I kick you, to 'fix' your N900 ? :-P | 20:53 |
| Andy80 | wrote on maemo-community on Jul 3rd, no reply | 20:53 |
| Andy80 | no responsables on the wiki page of the contest | 20:53 |
| Andy80 | no advertise on planet maemo | 20:53 |
| Andy80 | bah... | 20:53 |
| Stskeeps | Andy80: aware it exists but didnt follow closely | 20:54 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer: nah | 20:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | blessn900_0.31 seems to have now "demo mode" where you can guess if left or right half of picture is taken with bless enhancements XP | 20:54 |
| kerio | the damage is permanent | 20:54 |
| pronto | there needs to be a way to read and send text messages via cli, so i can just ssh eto my phone | 20:55 |
| * DocScrutinizer wonders if can be bothered to give blesn900_0.31 a try, after abysmal results on 0.29 like documented there: http://share.ovi.com/media/joerg900.public/joerg900.10031?sort=0 | 20:56 | |
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| DocScrutinizer | well a short check if it learned exif portrait from g-meter now... all I can be bothered to do | 20:57 |
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| DocScrutinizer | bah, still underexposed dim pictures, and no portrait mode | 21:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | kudos Nokia, for PR1.2 genuine cam | 21:02 |
| LiraNuna | is it possible to show widgets and OGL on the screen without composition? | 21:02 |
| alterego | Yeah, I didn't really think it was particularly good tbh | 21:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer | LiraNuna: talking to me? | 21:03 |
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| LiraNuna | to anyone | 21:03 |
| alterego | LiraNuna: you can if you work around the compositor, egl? | 21:03 |
| alterego | Forget what it's called .. | 21:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~nuke blessn900 | 21:03 |
| * infobot prepares 100 missle silos, and targets them at blessn900 ... B☢☢M! | 21:03 | |
| alterego | But beware, it'll screw things up a bit. | 21:03 |
| LiraNuna | how does MicroB do it? | 21:03 |
| alterego | MicroB do what? | 21:04 |
| LiraNuna | microb in full screen mode and widgets on bottom (location bar) | 21:04 |
| LiraNuna | and maintaining fast rendering speed | 21:04 |
| timeless_mbp | microb is two processes | 21:06 |
| timeless_mbp | a ui process and a rendering process | 21:06 |
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| LiraNuna | ah | 21:06 |
| timeless_mbp | screen rendering in microb is basically done by copying rendered tiles from the rendering process to the ui process | 21:06 |
| timeless_mbp | although "copying" might be overstating it | 21:06 |
| timeless_mbp | there were 3 or more impls of it during the development of microb for the n900 | 21:07 |
| timeless_mbp | and i didn't pay much attn to which one stuck | 21:07 |
| LiraNuna | I see | 21:07 |
| timeless_mbp | when there's an actual hildon toolbar visible, afaik it's a genuine gtk widget which means we aren't cheating there | 21:07 |
| timeless_mbp | (video playback at fullscreen cheats) | 21:08 |
| VDVsx | Andy80, there's a huge thread at TMO about the competition | 21:09 |
| Andy80 | VDVsx: that 40 pages thread? Sorry... better if I don't reply you as I wish :P | 21:10 |
| Andy80 | VDVsx: really.... do you think it's the right way to manage something? with a forum? | 21:10 |
| VDVsx | Andy80, well go complain there and wait for the flames :P | 21:11 |
| VDVsx | there's also a wiki page with the apps and prizes | 21:11 |
| Andy80 | VDVsx: I asked informations that should be presente in the homepage/wiki of the contest. It's absurd I've to ask around or follow a 40 pages thread | 21:11 |
| Andy80 | VDVsx: all that I found is this: http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_Coding_Competition_1 | 21:11 |
| Andy80 | and I added my application | 21:11 |
| Andy80 | but there are lot of informations missing | 21:12 |
| Andy80 | and most important: the RESPONSABLES of the contest | 21:12 |
| VDVsx | Andy80, you understand that this is a community initiative, you can always help improve the things | 21:12 |
| GAN900 | Andy80 and VDVsx. | 21:12 |
| Andy80 | asking around all reply me: I don't know anything about it | 21:12 |
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| VDVsx | true I don't know much either :D | 21:13 |
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| Andy80 | VDVsx: I'll just wait and hope... the endline is tomorrow... I don't think there is much I can do now.... | 21:14 |
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| VDVsx | Andy80, well, if you've questions ask in the TMO thread, the responsibles for the competition are there, afaik | 21:15 |
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| Andy80 | VDVsx: my hopinion? please reduce the karma gained from tmo... it will drastically reduce the rumor -.- | 21:17 |
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| VDVsx | Andy80, rumor ? :D | 21:17 |
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| Andy80 | sorry... the noise | 21:18 |
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| Andy80 | well... you understand :P | 21:18 |
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| Andy80 | VDVsx: I mean... lot of peple just talking an talking just to increase the karma. This is my sensation about tmo | 21:19 |
| Andy80 | not all people of course | 21:19 |
| VDVsx | Andy80, not at all IMO, its a forum, forums are like that | 21:19 |
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| Stskeeps | except karma is kinda useless atm | 21:20 |
| VDVsx | and karma is not important as was in the past | 21:20 |
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| VDVsx | ^ | 21:20 |
| Andy80 | VDVsx: why is not important anymore? | 21:20 |
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| Andy80 | maybe because it's difficoult to track it across two community (maemo + meego)? | 21:21 |
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| VDVsx | Andy80, well, at least I heard that there isnt another maemo device, nor maemo conference, so... is important for the 'other things' only | 21:21 |
| LjL | i guess this will sound like a ridiculous question, but - does a real N900 have a direction pad, or just a keyboard with arrow keys? i.e. does it look like http://www.allreviews.com/cell-phones/files/2010/01/Nokia-N900.jpg ? | 21:21 |
| LjL | i think there are some mislabelled N810 pictures on the internet, and also the chinese ripoff pictures, so i'm confused | 21:22 |
| VDVsx | LjL, thats a n810 | 21:22 |
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| LjL | VDVsx: i see. so, only three rows of keys and that's it on a 900? | 21:22 |
| VDVsx | LjL, yup | 21:22 |
| VDVsx | LjL, http://maemo.nokia.com/n900/ | 21:23 |
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| Andy80 | VDVsx: I feel quite lost about our community and the future... | 21:24 |
| LjL | thanks for clearing this up | 21:24 |
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| Shapeshifter | bah | 21:34 |
| Shapeshifter | python2.5 is so outdated | 21:35 |
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| Shapeshifter | Does someone know if/how it's possible to enable the onscreen-keyboard in Qt applications? ... mh I don't even know if the onscreen keyboard even works in portrait mode. | 21:42 |
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| Shapeshifter | mh nevermind. just had to enable it in the settings. but it doesn't do portrait mode. that is kinda poor. it's the only place where it's really needed because in landscape mode you have a real keyboard :< | 21:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | hehe | 21:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer | anyway, microb in portrait switches to landscape when vkbd is started | 21:50 |
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| Shapeshifter | yeah, same with my little app. works in portrait, but if you click a field, it switches to landscape | 21:50 |
| Shapeshifter | how daft | 21:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | can't see any semi-usable vkbd for portrait | 21:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer | muhaha, xchat autoswitches to portrait mode :-P | 21:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer | and xterm | 21:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | eeew | 21:52 |
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| DocScrutinizer | and all are switching back to landscape when vkbd is started | 21:54 |
| Shapeshifter | I don't understand why people even use the vkbd. | 21:55 |
| Shapeshifter | today was the first time I ever saw it. never had it enabled | 21:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | as probably there is something in vkbd that rightfully claims it won't work in portrait, and forces screen back to landscape | 21:55 |
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| adna | Greetings. What is used for "find" and "locate" on n900? | 22:04 |
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| adna | ...either "find" or "locate" ..? (Don't seem to have search command to pass to grep on n900...?) | 22:07 |
| Stskeeps | install findutils | 22:07 |
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| Stskeeps | i thought find was in busybox though | 22:07 |
| adna | Stskeeps: Thanks! after install, what commands are best/available? | 22:08 |
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| Stskeeps | find? :P | 22:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | messybox find sucks! | 22:12 |
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| adna | DoScrutinizer51: I agree. Is "locate" available. Something to pass to grep | 22:14 |
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| adna | DoScrutinizer51: If I install bash3 are there more command options in Fremantle? | 22:15 |
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| Venemo | hi again, everyone! | 22:22 |
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| SpeedEvil | hi | 22:30 |
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| kerio | 'lo | 22:37 |
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| flux | locate is available, but it requires replacing /usr/bin/find with gnu find (which also is available) | 22:45 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | findutils will do it for you | 22:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer | findutils comes with find, locate, and updatedb, afaik | 22:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer | you'll need to care about updatedb yourself, as it won't get an entry in crontab (there is no crontab on maemo :-P) | 23:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer | for further sanitation you may want to install coreutils-deb, less, another few according to your preferences | 23:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | mandb | 23:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-P | 23:03 |
| kerio | ooh coreutils | 23:03 |
| kerio | i just installed .*-gnu | 23:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | err, maybe it was coreutils-gnu, not -deb | 23:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | and it's man-db-n900 | 23:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | so s/RTFM/(apt-get install man-db-n900 &&)RTFM!/ :-D | 23:06 |
| sezuan | Does anyone knows what the purpose of the group option in the ussd widget? | 23:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | sezuan: screw USSD widget. Get starhash-enabler | 23:07 |
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| DocScrutinizer | sezuan: nah. forget that comment. Actually *widget* may be really useful still | 23:08 |
| sezuan | :) | 23:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer | nevertheless you probably want to get starhash-enabler :-D | 23:10 |
| LjL | oh lord, lord, lord, ebay is getting me, i know i'll eventually buy both an N900 and a Milestone ;( | 23:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer | LjL: yeah, have fun with that chinese mockup | 23:11 |
| TomaszD | lbt, any news? | 23:11 |
| LjL | DocScrutinizer :( | 23:11 |
| LjL | DocScrutinizer: but but they have a lot of good feedbacks! | 23:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | lol | 23:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | everybody and his dog has 99.8% good feedback | 23:12 |
| LjL | 100% ;( | 23:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | even more suspicious | 23:13 |
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| ShadowJK | "This is the best seller for N900-like phones", "Thanks! I got my N900-like in no time, and it even does MMS!" | 23:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | paypal? | 23:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | muhaha | 23:13 |
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| LjL | DocScrutinizer: he even says it's locked to Orange! why would he if it's not genuine ;( | 23:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | and even java, and has amazing 64MB storage | 23:14 |
| LjL | yeah takes paypal | 23:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | well then get it | 23:14 |
| LjL | by the way, is it easy to unlock from the Orange it's apparently locked to? | 23:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | ask for ser# | 23:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | it never is locked to anyrhing afaik | 23:15 |
| LjL | DocScrutinizer: to check it's genuine, or to unlock? | 23:15 |
| LjL | oh. then that's weird | 23:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer | anybody heard of a simlocked N900? | 23:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer | or operator-locked | 23:16 |
| ShadowJK | there's a thing in the settings to enter operator unlock code | 23:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | duh??? | 23:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | I thought that's PUK | 23:16 |
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| LjL | i did find something (not much) on google about unlocking N900, it's little enough it might just be confused people though | 23:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | wouldn't any sim/operator lock most probably vanish on cellmo-FW-update? (I *know* there _are_ ways to update modem firmware and still keep locks) | 23:17 |
| LjL | http://hyfeno.com/unlock-nokia-n900/ specifically | 23:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer | yo, settings menu :-S "enter code to unlock operator lock" | 23:19 |
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| LjL | DocScrutinizer: do you say ask for serial# to unlock, or to verify it's genuine? | 23:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | second one | 23:21 |
| LjL | also, where is the serial number, so he doesn't answer "i don't know" and the auction is about to run out | 23:21 |
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| Venemo | hey guys | 23:23 |
| ShadowJK | Open battery door, remove battery, serial # and imei is in the battery bay | 23:23 |
| LjL | thanks | 23:23 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer: i always wondered - what's that button for? | 23:23 |
| Venemo | does anyone feel like giving a test drive to the latest Sticky Notes prerelase before it hits extras-devel? | 23:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | LjL: if he's serious, he'll send a photo | 23:23 |
| Venemo | I would need a few volunteers before I make a public release | 23:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | kerio: button? | 23:24 |
| kerio | the "enter code to unlock" thingy | 23:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer | kerio: aah yup | 23:24 |
| kerio | it's a button that opens up a textbox, but a button nonetheless | 23:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | wonder if it's cellmo or maybe device lock | 23:24 |
| LjL | DocScrutinizer: by the way, i was also considering a "N900" on eBay Announcements (or whatever it's called in english). it was interesting because it claimed the seller was in Milan, which is where i live, but when i asked whether i could pick it up there, he told me "I live in Rimini because of my job, could you pick up there, or shall I ship it by mail"? | 23:25 |
| Venemo | is someone is interested, just pm me, I'll be right back | 23:25 |
| LjL | DocScrutinizer: now i don't know exactly how far Rimini is from Milan, but... far enough. | 23:25 |
| LjL | bet he just wanted me to answer "ok, mail it" | 23:25 |
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| kerio | LjL: 350km | 23:25 |
| kerio | so yeah | 23:26 |
| LjL | thanks ;) | 23:26 |
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| kerio | use ebay classic | 23:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | LjL: tell him "yes, tomorrow" and when he agrees ask him to mail as your car broke | 23:26 |
| LjL | yeah i tried ebay announcements too because there are many more Milestones sold thre from Italy and Milan specifically | 23:26 |
| LjL | DocScrutinizer: do you think he'd agree? i think he would not reply. | 23:26 |
| kerio | not worth it imo | 23:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer | LjL: then it's a clear mater you should forget it | 23:27 |
| kerio | oh wtf | 23:27 |
| kerio | apt is being a little bitch | 23:27 |
| kerio | Do you want to continue [Y/n]? y | 23:27 |
| kerio | Abort. | 23:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | always been | 23:27 |
| LjL | yeah i just wanted to mention it because it seemed fun. listing says Milan, then he goes "oh by the way i'm not in milan, i'm on the other side of the country, that's ok with you right?" | 23:28 |
| kerio | and that's with ssh | 23:28 |
| kerio | from my computer | 23:28 |
| kerio | oh wtf | 23:28 |
| kerio | s (for "sì" - yes in italian) works | 23:28 |
| kerio | :/ | 23:28 |
| LjL | ... | 23:28 |
| kerio | FUCK YOU DPKG-RECONFIGURE LOCALES | 23:28 |
| kerio | i'm pretty sure i can type either y or s on my computer, here | 23:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | LjL: tell him you're in rmini tomorrow, if he answers that's fine with him, go for it and ask maling. If he doesn't answer, forget about it | 23:29 |
| LjL | DocScrutinizer: well, to be honest even if he answers ok i'm not really keep on then going for mailing outside of ebay classic. no paypal, dubious post service in italy... | 23:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm, your cup of tea | 23:31 |
| LjL | i think i'll either go for someone who's actually in milan and i can meet, or for paypal protection | 23:31 |
| beford | telescope app switcher looks nice on n810 | 23:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | when I checked ~3 months ago, I couldn't find a single offer that's been worth it. Better buy a new one and pay ~50 bucks more | 23:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer | odds are you get a worn out device of a mad overclocker anyway | 23:32 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer: i bought mine for 350€, used | 23:33 |
| kerio | new it's still 500€+ here | 23:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer | then when it segfaults the shit out of maemo after 3 months of usage, you probably find out it's not even covered by any warranty | 23:33 |
| kerio | an apt-cache search man returns 993 results | 23:34 |
| kerio | apt sucks | 23:34 |
| kerio | :( | 23:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | kerio: you suck | 23:34 |
| kerio | i do | 23:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | man, you suck (and apt-cache search probably will find this line in the irclogs) | 23:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | apt-cache search mandb | 23:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | or ehatever you are after | 23:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | whatever* | 23:35 |
| Arkenoi | actually if you install crash reporter you probably notice it segfaults like hell without any overclock. and actually it is the curse of ALL moblie devices: don't know for iPhone, but WM, Symbian and Android software crashes all the time, it is just builtin "restart and recovery" mechanisms make that almost invisible. Don't know what is the reason. | 23:35 |
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| kerio | Arkenoi: user interfaces are meant to trick the user into thinking he's using an awesome $foo | 23:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | Arkenoi: you actually did it?? | 23:36 |
| Arkenoi | DocScrutinizer, i had crash reporter installed from the very beginning, long before i overclocked, and on two different devices, Almost everyday this thing or that crashes for me. | 23:37 |
| LjL | nidO: what does "clearance range" mean by the way? i checked mobiles.co.uk earlier but am a bit confused. do you need to make a contract or something? | 23:37 |
| Arkenoi | Sometimes several times a day | 23:37 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Arkenoi: we are pretty aware on how maemo does restart of critical processes. we know how to even look into logs about such evens. And I know for sure there's no such thing like hidden restart&recover for most apps anyway | 23:38 |
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| Arkenoi | well, hildon-desktop is the current crash leader i think | 23:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep, granted | 23:38 |
| Arkenoi | tracker process does that pretty "well" also | 23:38 |
| kerio | Arkenoi: so you overclocked? | 23:39 |
| * DocScrutinizer likes to think tracker beter dies once and for all times... :-P | 23:39 | |
| Arkenoi | browserd | 23:39 |
| Arkenoi | etc | 23:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~crash tracker | 23:39 |
| * infobot jams a stick in tracker's spokes | 23:39 | |
| Arkenoi | kerio: yep, no difference in crash rate yet ;-) | 23:39 |
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| Venemo | Arkenoi: what usually crashes for people is hildon-home, not hildon-desktop | 23:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~kill tracker | 23:40 |
| Venemo | nah, good evening guys :) | 23:40 |
| * infobot shoots a hyper-charged anti-neutron gun at tracker | 23:40 | |
| DocScrutinizer | ~nuke tracker | 23:40 |
| * infobot prepares 100 missle silos, and targets them at tracker ... B☢☢M! | 23:40 | |
| Venemo | ~burn hildon-home | 23:40 |
| * infobot pours gasoline all over hildon-home, ignites the fire, and then enjoys some toasty marshmallows with the glorious blaze | 23:40 | |
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| nidO | LjL: it's just their end-of-line devices they want to get rid of, basically | 23:41 |
| nidO | LjL: you have to buy it on an o2 pay-as-you-go basis which means you get a sim with it and basically have to buy £10 of call credit along with the phone, but you're not actually tied into any contract | 23:42 |
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| DocScrutinizer | but sim-locked | 23:43 |
| nidO | no | 23:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | ??? | 23:43 |
| nidO | afaik there is no method of sim-locking n900's anyway? | 23:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | so WTF is selling simlocked N900? | 23:43 |
| nidO | iv never seen a sim-locked one | 23:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | err, Orange -.- | 23:44 |
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| DocScrutinizer | [2010-07-20 22:14:45] <LjL> by the way, is it easy to unlock from the Orange it's apparently locked to? | 23:44 |
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| nidO | beats me, mobiles.co.uk sell it with o2 anyway, not orange | 23:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | [2010-07-20 22:19:18] <DocScrutinizer> yo, settings menu :-S "enter code to unlock operator lock" | 23:45 |
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| Dongle | hello | 23:47 |
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| hno | I would expect the N900 to be possible to sim lock just as any other phone. That's in the GSM/3G baseband part, not Linux. | 23:53 |
| LjL | what's the difference when one talks about "baseband" and "GSM stack"? | 23:53 |
| hno | A GSM stack is what runs on the baseband CPU. | 23:53 |
| hno | baseband is related to radio somehow. | 23:54 |
| LjL | but wasn't the GSM stack going to be free for the N900? that would seem weird wrt regulations | 23:54 |
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| hno | The GSM stack is closed. Even the phone app is, but can be replaced. | 23:54 |
| hno | replacing the GSM stack may be possible as well, but completely undocumented. | 23:55 |
| hno | plus that the only free availabe GSM stack isn't very complete, or implementing any 3G features yet from what I remember.. | 23:56 |
| SpeedEvil | Replacing the GSm stack is legally impossible. | 23:57 |
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| SpeedEvil | If you're selling them in the uk that is. | 23:57 |
| SpeedEvil | The baseband and GSM stack run on a seperate processor | 23:57 |
| SpeedEvil | it's got 16M RAM, 4M ROm | 23:57 |
| LjL | DocScrutinizer: well so the auction is about to end and he still hasn't replied to my question, so i guess no go (although it's probably just i asked the questions way too late) | 23:57 |
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| LjL | SpeedEvil: i thought someone here though told me open stack was being "worked on" or something, not sure whether in Maemo or MeeGo | 23:58 |
| SpeedEvil | It's not. | 23:58 |
| kerio | where's dpkg-reconfigure? | 23:58 |
| kerio | :o | 23:58 |
| SpeedEvil | The bit that talks to the modem chip is being worked on. | 23:58 |
| timeless | sold separately | 23:58 |
| kerio | seriously | 23:59 |
| jacekowski | i just hate that | 23:59 |
| kerio | i clearly remember using it some time ago | 23:59 |
| hno | LjL: The only free GSM stack I know of is OsmocomBB. http://bb.osmocom.org/trac | 23:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | LjL: no open gsm stack on N900 or any other phone | 23:59 |
| jacekowski | http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Hacking#Debug_ports | 23:59 |
| SpeedEvil | This however is not anything directly to do with the GSM stack | 23:59 |
| jacekowski | i had info there | 23:59 |
| jacekowski | on the picture | 23:59 |
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| jacekowski | which pin is a TX | 23:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer | LjL: well, basically (if you don't count openBB on calypso) | 23:59 |
| jacekowski | but somebody edited it to move that info to text | 23:59 |
| jacekowski | that J2000 is serial | 23:59 |
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| jacekowski | which gives no info to anybody | 23:59 |
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