IRC log of #maemo for Sunday, 2010-07-18

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luke-jrzzztrumee: old versions00:04
ShadowJKNSU is pretty evil I've heard00:04
technomikeShadowJK :( It just seems a shame having to completely reflash just to get the media player back. Surely there is a simpler way.00:06
technomikeI have just got my N900 setup just the way I want it00:07
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ShadowJKDid you try install mp-fremantle-generic-pr?00:08
trumeeluke-jr: ok, i am going to compile from source then.00:08
technomikeShadowJK - Yeah, it said the package isn't available or something like that00:08
ShadowJKDid you spell it freemantle instead of fremantle?00:10
ShadowJKapt-cache search mp-fremantle00:10
technomikeit returned a result00:11
ShadowJKFirst word of the result? :)00:11
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ShadowJK203.... is that vodafone?00:11
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technomikeHm, well my phone is generic00:12
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ShadowJKWell try install mp-fremantle-203-pr :P00:12
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technomike:D !!!!!!!!!00:13
technomikeIts grabbing lots of stuff, and mediaplayer is one of the things!00:14
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Jaffalcuk: I don't think the MeeGo community will look anything like the Maemo one. The fragmentation which afflicts the Android and iPhone "communities" (i.e. there's no cohesive, central mass around which everything gravitates) has already started.00:14
Jaffalcuk: This is either a side effect of being a mass-market proposition or subconsciously emulating the market leaders in the vague hopes that cargo culting them will lead to the same success :-/00:15
technomikeIt worked !!!!!!!00:16
technomikeMany many thanks ShadowJK - You have saved my N900 haha ;D00:16
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technomikeJust out of curiousity, does that mean my N900 is from Vodafone? I got it from eBay00:18
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ShadowJKtechnomike, I don't really remember, but I think 202 is UK and 203 is vodafone00:19
JaffaX-Fade: ping00:19
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JaffaAh, I see someone's already raised bug 1095100:22
povbot`Bug SSL certificate for expired00:22
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luke-jrtrumee: FreeSWITCH is a total mess00:25
trumeeluke-jr: you mean on gentoo?00:25
luke-jrI mean in general.00:25
luke-jrunfortunately, it's the FreeSWITCH project's policy to be so00:25
luke-jrso they refused to merge my fixes00:25
trumeeluke-jr:no idea. i have been with asterisk until now. and N900 behaves quite badly with it. I want to try whether N900 behaves better with freeSWITCH.00:26
luke-jrtrumee: N900 works with Asterisk for me...?00:26
trumeeluke-jr: it doesnt work very well for unfortunately. The voice gets minced after few minutes into the call00:27
luke-jrI only got that in one location I tried00:27
luke-jrmakes me think bandwidth or something00:27
povbot`Bug 10388: Choppy audio in SIP conversation, WLAN power save problem?00:27
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luke-jrah, it works 100% fine over WLAN for me00:28
luke-jrchoppy audio was over 3G00:28
trumeeluke-jr: on the contrary i have good quality on 3g but choppy with WLAN :(00:28
luke-jrwhat's with calling your VoIP peer an opponent? XD00:29
trumeeluke-jr: i dont know whose at fault, asterisk/N900/WLAN00:29
trumeeluke-jr: i trust WLAN, because it is running dd-wrt firmware.00:29
luke-jras if DD-Wrt is trustworthy ;)00:30
luke-jrtrumee: try disallow=all allow=ulaw00:30
trumeeluke-jr: hmm. i have tried tomato firmware as well.00:30
trumeeluke-jr: i dont want to use ulaw. i have licenses for g729. cant use g729 on 3g00:30
luke-jrtrumee: if your hardware is unsupported by Linux, no firmware will help00:30
trumeeluke-jr: what do you mean by "unsupported by Linux"00:31
luke-jrtrumee: I mean if you can't take code from, build it, and run it on the router, it's irrelevant00:31
trumeeluke-jr: my WLAN is Linksys WRT54GL. Most linux hackers swear by it!00:31
luke-jrhacks like DD-Wrt tend to use some proprietary Broadcom fork of Linux00:31
luke-jrWRT54GL is not supported by Linux00:32
trumeeluke-jr: so what router is supported by linux?00:32
luke-jrmy La Fonera is, I think00:32
luke-jrbut I'm not sure they make that model anymore00:32
luke-jrno idea on the newer ones00:32
luke-jrRouterBoard probably is, but I've heard rumours to the contrary00:33
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trumeeluke-jr: ok so there is hardly anything on the market which is supported then00:33
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luke-jrtrumee: depends what market00:33
luke-jrtrumee: RouterBoard is certainly on the global market00:34
luke-jrIIRC the company that sponsors DD-Wrt might be supported, but no idea really00:34
technomikeShadowJK - Huge thanks again for that, really appreciated :)00:37
ShadowJKtechnomike, I'm glad I could help :)00:37
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kerioNoma: well, then they should explain to me why can't i hold the n900 with my right hand when on 3g00:40
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technomikeHaha Noma - Never had that problem tbh but see how it could happen00:40
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DocScrutinizer51who asked what's the use of video skype when no other device can be far end? Dude, ask Steve if you may join in on facetime, maybe he has shares on Nokia and thinks it's a good idea00:44
keriono, i'm serious, how do you hold the n900 with both hands without having the signal drop to crap??00:45
timeless_mbp1sp3000:  cool00:46
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technomikekerio, don't really have that problem here. just tried00:47
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Nomaneither do i00:47
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luke-jrNoma: that doesn't work in Maemo I think00:49
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luke-jrjust pressing the off button just pops up a menu on mine00:49
DocScrutinizer51signal drop on righthand is real00:50
Nomayou just have to press it longer00:50
DocScrutinizer51have that all the time00:50
luke-jrDocScrutinizer51: if I want to make a N900-to-N900 video call, I can use XMPP :)00:50
luke-jrDocScrutinizer51: you're holding it wrong00:50
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luke-jrportrait mode is wrong00:50
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luke-jronly landscape mode should be supported! :P00:51
DocScrutinizer51knew I should lay it on desk and type with my nose00:51
luke-jrspeaking of which, the N900 stand SUCKS00:51
luke-jrif you try to type, it flops over00:51
Jartzait's not a stand, it's a hook-hanger :D00:51
luke-jrwhat was wrong with N810's?00:52
DocScrutinizer51just my nose hates it00:52
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luke-jrI mean, besides the ports being blocks00:52
luke-jrof course, if they used the superior clamshell (see C760) design, they wouldn't *need* a stand...00:52
DocScrutinizer51should I bother to view that youtube to learn how to hold it the wrong why even better??00:54
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technomikeGuys, any ideas how to get an equaliser on the N900 - and not MAFW Equaliser, because thats what caused those problems I had before haha00:55
technomikeJust asking incase you know of anything :)00:55
MohammadAGhmm, MAFW equalizer?00:56
MohammadAGnever heard of it, is it new?00:57
hnokerio: Hold it in right hand, with thumb and index finger at top edge. Don't hold the hand low, covering all of the lover edge (keep hand out of mounth, don't talk into the hand)00:58
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keriohno: ok00:58
kerionow explain to me how do i hold the n900 with my right hand in a way that i can *use* it00:59
kerioyou know, with my right thumb00:59
kerioi like my right thumb00:59
ShadowJKkerio, if I'm at home, 3g signal drops if I hold device on landscape with both hands tightly. I am, however, 9 kilometres from the 3g tower, and I'm not supposed to get 3g at all :)00:59
ShadowJKWhen I'm town, there's pretty much no way I can make it lose signal :/01:00
jacekowskii can01:00
technomikeMohammadAG - It actually works well when its working ok, but it has high CPU usage, and has lots of bugs and makes multitasking impossible, and often causes sound distortions01:01
hnokerio: It's hard to use the navigate the screen with one hand without signal drop. Pretty much the same for left & right hand even if somewhat worse for right hand.01:01
jacekowskiif i hold it tightly with my hands then i can make it switch to 2g01:01
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ShadowJKThe 3g network here is much more sparse than the 2g :/01:01
DocScrutinizer51MUhahaha ""Nokia invested 1000s of manhours in studying how people hold their phone on calls hering music  blabla"" typing texts bothanded into xchat??? obviously no!! fsckng hell01:01
technomikeMohammadAG - Did you see what I just typed?01:02
ShadowJK3g has like half the range of 2g, and the 3g transmitters are twice as sparse too :/01:02
technomikeIn reply01:02
technomike* MohammadAG_01:02
MohammadAG_no, my router is being retarded01:02
technomikeMohammadAG - It actually works well when its working ok, but it has high CPU usage, and has lots of bugs and makes multitasking impossible, and often causes sound distortions01:02
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hnokerio: Same problem in landscape mode if holding the phone with both hands naturally covering both short edges fully.01:02
MohammadAG_meh, not for me then01:02
technomikeMohammadAG_ -
jacekowskiwell, 3g is a problem01:03
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ShadowJKand here they use 900MHz 3g.. the problem is twice as big with 2100MHz 3g :-)01:03
jacekowskiso, we all switch to 2g01:04
jacekowskias a protest01:04
DocScrutinizer51as I say: holding N900 bothhanded frequently drops my 3G01:04
ShadowJKLike, even if the operator swaps out all their 900 MHz 2g-only towers to dualmode 2g/3g 900MHz towers, it'll still not be enough to create 3g coverage as good as 2g :/01:05
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kerioDocScrutinizer: it happens here too :(01:05
ShadowJKAnd 2g coverage here is like full bars all the time01:05
MohammadAG_DocScrutinizer51, hold it with your right hand01:05
technomikeCan't believe 4G is finally released! Well, not fully. But apparently its in a few major cities in the USA which is also a shock that its released in USA so soon01:05
kerionever happens in the city btw01:05
nextimenever noted any drop of connection speed holding bothhanded my n90001:05
MohammadAG_in IL I can't get it to drop, in JO, it happens in low signal areas01:05
* ShadowJK is actually ircing on "4g"01:05
hnoDocScrutinizer51: Not uncommon.01:05
ShadowJKjacekowski, yes01:06
jacekowskiwell, wimax is like 10 years old technology01:06
DocScrutinizer51MohammadAG_: fool! it's the right hand that detunes the antenna01:06
MohammadAG_Got WiMax here too, quite crappy01:06
jacekowskiover 10 years old01:06
technomikeIs it really fast?01:06
jacekowskii think wimax is older than 3g01:06
ShadowJKWell, wimax is nicer than wifi and hsdpa :-)01:06
hnoHeh, I live in an odd place where 3G coverage is much better than 2G currently. Can barely use 2G at home, but 3G coverage is perfect.01:06
ShadowJKIt has lower latency than hsdpa, and it is fairer than wifi01:06
MohammadAG_my line in IL is faster01:06
jacekowskiwimax has certain advantages01:06
MohammadAG_same speed though01:06
MohammadAG_err, same plan etc01:06
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nextimeShadowJK : anyway hsdpa latence isn't so bad01:07
luke-jrShadowJK: but unlike 2G, 3G is designed so you can run a home tower ;)01:07
technomikeI think 4G LTE is the thing we need to be waiting for01:07
MohammadAG_technomike, does the equalizer always run?01:07
technomikeluke-jr - You can?01:07
MohammadAG_LTE here too01:07
nextimehere 4g will never be developed i think01:07
ShadowJKI have fixed wimax. There's a satellite-dish shaped antenna mounted in a tower in my backyard (Yes, I my own personal antenna tower in my backyard), signal is great :-)01:07
technomikeMohammadAG_ - Yeah :(01:08
technomikeYou cannot disable it01:08
DocScrutinizer51if nokai had *really* such high competence in usability and RF design, they had built the 3G antenna to upper half of device, aka screen half01:08
nextimeShadowJK : wimax or hyperlan?01:08
ShadowJKnextime, wimax01:08
luke-jrtechnomike: technically. not legally most places01:08
MohammadAG_DocScrutinizer51, hey, at least it works :P01:08
nextimeShadowJK: where are you?01:08
technomikeluke-jr - Still cool though01:08
ShadowJKnextime, it's an alvarion receiver01:08
DocScrutinizer51nope it doesnt01:08
ShadowJKnextime, .fi01:08
MohammadAG_someone on IRC had his nick turn into a nick_____ because the iPhone kept dropping the connection01:08
nextimeShadowJK : i have an alvarion too, but it is hyperlan :)01:09
jacekowskii only have a fiber01:09
hnoDocScrutinizer51: The antenna is optimized for using as a phone at your ear. Having it in the upper half do not work well in that use case.01:09
nextimejacekowski : sadly no fiber to my home, i live too far away from the city01:09
jacekowskii don't have any of that posh wireless stuff01:09
technomikeNot being a fanboy here, but I really don't get what all the hype and buzz is around the iPhone, it cannot do most smartphone features and can hardly cope with Bluetooth01:10
* MohammadAG_ suggests changing GSM specs to get rid of antennas01:10
MohammadAG_Steve Jobs approves ^01:10
ShadowJKAlso having it there exposes you to more radiation01:10
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nextimeanyway, i have an SHDSL and an hyperlan, so, i'm quite happy01:10
DocScrutinizer51hno: obviousy. and still fools keep claiming 'it's no phone! itt's NO PHONE!!"01:10
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jacekowskitechnomike: it was a good phone01:10
jacekowskitechnomike: and it has a great marketing01:10
jacekowskitechnomike: which in turn created great app store01:10
kerioTHE N900 IS NOT A PHONE01:10
jacekowskiit's a traaaaaaaaaaaaaap01:11
kerioi can install a cellular modem with voice support in my laptop, it doesn't make it a phone01:11
hnoThe N900 can also be used as a phone if you insist on it.01:11
jacekowskikerio: it does01:11
MohammadAGtracker rapes my CPU :(01:11
technomikekerio - Heh, well it has phone capability and I use it as a phone aswell as a mini-tablet-like-computer01:11
jacekowskiMohammadAG: at least it's not raping you01:11
MohammadAGjacekowski, hmm, so it rapes you?01:12
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DocScrutinizer51hno: I just heard it's even optimized for phone usage01:12
jacekowskiDocScrutinizer51: seriously?01:12
nextimemumble, 00:12 and i have not yet finished my work. I go to write code, bye all.01:12
ShadowJKnextime, this is my internet connection:
DocScrutinizer51hno: jacekowski obviously it's not optimized for NIT usage01:13
ShadowJKI only had to climb halfway up to get a perfect signal ;-)01:13
ShadowJKI guess that's rooftop height01:13
jacekowskiwimax ideally requires optical visibility01:13
ShadowJK(and yes, that's 20m "spare" cat5 I didn't feel like trimming)01:13
jacekowskiShadowJK: ekhm01:13
jacekowskiShadowJK: isn't that little bit like an overkill?01:14
ShadowJKThe operator supplied 50m cable01:14
technomikeShadowJK - Wow, does it work well, what speeds do you get?01:14
jacekowskitechnomike: wimax is slow01:14
technomikeOh :o01:14
technomikeSo it doesn't live to all the hype !01:14
jacekowskiwell, depends on definition of slow01:15
MohammadAGit's not as fast as cable01:15
ShadowJKWell, I'm only subscribing to the 1M service01:15
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jacekowskibut plain old 100Mbit/s ethernet is a lot faster01:15
jacekowskibut for a wireless01:15
jacekowskiwell, it's not too bad01:15
hnoDocScrutinizer51: Not for NIT usage by lefthanded people, or righthanded people liking to hold it with both hands..01:15
ShadowJKBut it's pretty damn solid. I get more bandwidth on HSDPA+, but HSDPA sometimes has 5 second latencies, sometimes 1 second, sometimes stalls, sometimes needs a reconnect, etc..01:16
jacekowskii'm going to sleep01:16
jacekowskii'm getting old01:16
ShadowJKwimax is atleast pretty consistent in what it delivers01:16
technomikeI think in the future, mobile networks will just become ISPs, and we will use VoIP services or things like Skype to communicate01:16
technomikeWhat do you think?01:16
ShadowJKin other words, wimax feels very bug-free :-)01:16
luke-jrtechnomike: future?01:16
jacekowskiit will change when you will get more users01:16
DocScrutinizer51hno: I really wonder how YOU use the hw kbd01:17
ShadowJKtechnomike, you know, my landline telephone already runs over this wimax link. Company A supplies wimax. Company B used to supply telephone over copper wire with telephone number X. Company C now supplies VoIP over Company A's wimax to me, keeping my old telephone number X. :-)01:17
luke-jrthe N900 hw kbd is terrible01:17
luke-jrworse than N810 even01:17
DocScrutinizer51holding with left and typing with right middle finger??01:17
hnoDocScrutinizer51: Mostly on wlan when using the keyboard.01:18
ShadowJKluke-jr, it's nicer for some things, worse for other things01:18
* FauxFaux likes it. /o\01:18
ShadowJKlike, I love that I have $()\/ on hw keyboard, didn't have that on my N81001:18
DocScrutinizer51or probably in portait and typing with left thumb01:18
ShadowJKotoh, I no longer have <> :/01:18
luke-jrShadowJK: I had them on N810 :p01:18
ShadowJKI didn't01:18
technomikeShadowJK - Wow thats epic. Just shows how everything is going wireless too!01:19
luke-jrbut it's rather difficult to press keys01:19
hnoThe keyboard can be remapped if you like.01:19
luke-jron N90001:19
ShadowJKtechnomike, it's only wireless because I'm too far to establish even a 128kbit adsl connection over copper wire01:19
luke-jrAlso, N810 had an Alt key01:19
steinexthe n900 is missing a ethernet-plug really01:19
luke-jrand two Shifts01:19
ShadowJKThe tower with the wimax basestation itself has no wired connectivity either. It has a microwave uplink to a master-tower 25km away from it :-)01:20
technomikeShadowJK - In a remote-like area then or something?01:20
hnosteinex: USB networking works fine for me.01:20
technomikeShadowJK - Wow!01:20
DocScrutinizer51fsck micrwave, IR laser ftw01:21
hnosteinex: But sure, it's a little tricky to make the N900 available to the whole LAN that way, but definitely doable.01:21
ShadowJKtechnomike, it's not "remote" by finnish standards :)01:21
technomikeAh :P01:21
ShadowJKtechnomike, you know finnish cellphone operators have basestations in areas where they can't even get power :-)01:22
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technomike:o Wow01:22
luke-jrsolar power?01:22
ShadowJKSolar and wind01:22
technomikeThats epic01:22
DocScrutinizer51that's europe01:23
technomikeFinland, well it is home of Nokia afterall ;)01:23
keriosolar power? in finland?01:23
DocScrutinizer51in USA they never heard abot such things :-P01:23
kerioi guess that makes up for all the sun we're wasting in italy :(01:23
ShadowJKThey developed a "vertical" wind turbine for it, that can be mast mounted01:23
ShadowJKit doesn't have "wings" like normal wind powerplants01:24
ShadowJKlooks more like an elongated screw01:24
DocScrutinizer51a rotor01:24
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ShadowJKlooks like a drill :P01:24
DocScrutinizer51saronius rotor or somesuch01:25
ShadowJKAlso, when you take the ship and travel the sea over to sweden, you almost never lose reception01:25
peb_DocScrutinizer51, Satorius ..was the name01:25
ShadowJKIf there's a tiny rock out there, an operator will have built a basestation on it01:25
DocScrutinizer51knew I was close :D01:25
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DocScrutinizer51heh RTL sent from a ship for years. Still something on a drill platform out there01:27
luke-jrwhat happens if there's no wind for days?01:27
DocScrutinizer51then earth refuses to keep rotating01:28
ShadowJKIf the sun stops shining and the wind stops blowing, you lose coverage at sea and unsettled inland areas01:28
ShadowJKonce the battery banks run out01:29
DocScrutinizer51and then no more towawy service can be called for your sail ship01:29
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SmokeyD_hey everyone, can I manually copy maps from osm to maemo mapper/mappero on my N900? Where should I put them?01:30
luke-jrDocScrutinizer51: the Earth doesn't rotate!01:30
kerioDocScrutinizer: radio01:30
luke-jrthe Sun orbits01:30
DocScrutinizer51those batteries usually are designed for 3 days worst case01:30
kerioluke-jr: well, both01:30
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DocScrutinizer51and even dim daylight will recharge01:31
ShadowJKThe land stations with grid power are supposed to have 4 hour battery backup here, I believe01:31
ShadowJKbut I have no clue about the offgrid ones :)01:32
DocScrutinizer51one night is minimum for them to be of *any* use01:33
DocScrutinizer51now take that * 1001:33
ShadowJKThey better not let me visit one of those places01:33
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ShadowJKI already drooled when I saw the battery bank providing 24 hour backup for cellphone tower and 3000 landline exchange :P~01:33
DocScrutinizer51so let that be 3000W(01:34
ShadowJKThe building had a big friggin charge port on the outside :D01:34
DocScrutinizer51Fsck Wh01:34
DocScrutinizer51maybe 1000001:35
ShadowJKthey have a semitruck with fuel tanks and a big generator to fastcharge their sites with during multiday outages :)01:35
luke-jrone thing i like about all the ridiculous "green" obsession is it makes my batteries last longer 8)01:35
DocScrutinizer51ShadowJK: primarily for first boot01:36
ShadowJKAlthough multiday outage scenario has become exponentially more unlikely after legislation made power companies economically liable for outages >1h01:36
luke-jrShadowJK: forced SLA? wtf? XD01:37
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luke-jrif people really needed that, they'd have paid for it upfront, rather than being forced to eat the costs01:37
DocScrutinizer51luke-jr: green obsession??01:37
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ShadowJKluke-jr, well I for one hope it means my outlets will one day stop spewing fire and death during thunderstorms :D01:38
DocScrutinizerthinking about it even 60.000Wh are nothing special. Easily mounted in 1..2m^3 in a rural basestation01:40
ShadowJKlightning doesn't even have to hit the powerline, they turn out to be pretty awesome antenna to pick up the electromagnetical power of thunderstorms :)01:40
ShadowJKiirc the place I was at ate 50Amps at 48V01:40
ShadowJKso 2.4kW01:41
DocScrutinizerdamn that's not a small basestation, was it?01:41
ShadowJKwell.. mid 90s..01:41
DocScrutinizera normal BTS is more like 500...1000 max01:41
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DocScrutinizerABS MAX01:41
ShadowJKit did landlines too01:41
ShadowJKand maybe also NMT (1g) too01:42
DocScrutinizeryeah, and wasn't designed to run off green power (thanks for the term luke-jr )01:42
luke-jrDocScrutinizer: in the US, at least, every nutcase is worried about "global warming" and nonsense like that01:42
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DocScrutinizeryeah, how can we speed up warming, so we can show off better our AC01:43
DocScrutinizerin our Hummer01:43
ShadowJKI have my first car with AC this summer01:43
ShadowJKAccording to fuelpad01:43
DocScrutinizeror do you mean they are worried about the rest of the world speaking about global warming?01:44
ShadowJKAC uses about as much extra power as winter tyres in snow :-)01:44
ShadowJKiow 10-20% or so :/01:44
luke-jrDocScrutinizer: I'm not sure the nutcasery is limited to the US01:45
DocScrutinizernah, now I got what you're talking bout. "damn, they must be wrong with their global warming. where's the catch???"01:46
DocScrutinizer"those canadians are evil!"01:46
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DocScrutinizerand those Europeans01:46
DocScrutinizer"so let's shake hands with China, and drill another hole in sea ground of mexican gulf"01:47
DocScrutinizerI always kew it. USA is pole position in green energy. Sure01:47
DocScrutinizerthat's the reason you buy the fuel by the gallon for a dime. Nobody wants that shit anymore in USA, they have to make it cheap to sell it01:48
luke-jrlol I wish01:49
luke-jrlike $3/gal here01:49
DocScrutinizerwe are about same price for a L now01:50
luke-jrhowever much a L is01:50
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luke-jrcrazy Europeans and their backward decimal system :P01:50
DocScrutinizertwo pints, for the dudes without any clue01:50
luke-jrso a quart?\01:51
luke-jrwhy not just say a quart then? :)01:51
DocScrutinizeryou may cnvert it to flOz if you like, I really don't care about explaining a litre01:52
luke-jryou picked the wrong units to battle with01:52
luke-jrpints, quarts, pottles, gallons, etc are far superior to litre nonsense01:52
DocScrutinizerbut only if counted in tonal01:53
toggles_wYou have: 1 litre01:53
toggles_wYou want: gallons * 0.26417205 / 3.785411801:53
toggles_wYou have:01:53
luke-jror binary01:53
ShadowJKso approx 4x01:53
toggles_wunits is your friend01:53
toggles_wShadowJK: depends on who's gallon, imp or US?01:54
smharany one here tested gnumeric on N900?01:54
luke-jrtoggles_w: so what is that in galls? :p01:55
DocScrutinizer1t of water = 1m^3 = 1000L = 1000kg01:55
toggles_wluke-jr: Unknown unit 'galls'01:56
DocScrutinizernow please to that in gal, oz, feet, and inch, and pound01:56
DocScrutinizerthen tell me US got any sane units01:56
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toggles_wDocScrutinizer: the yanks will bust your balls all day about how there system is better, in/oz/gal etc, but ask them what their country runs on...01:57
Guest66835duel anyone?01:57
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toggles_wthey will say $, the fact it's metric is proof it's better ;-)01:57
SmokeyD_nobody has tips on where I can put the tiles of maemo mapper on my n900? The docs all say you can specify the cache location, but the option isn't there on the n900, so I wonder where it is by default so I can put the tiles in there myself01:57
Aquamannnn#card Legendary Knight Hermos01:57
SmokeyD_I don't want to use the maemo mapper builtin download thingy01:57
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DocScrutinizertoggles_w: I don't even dare to ask them where's north in their hometown01:58
DocScrutinizeror of the earth is a ball01:58
toggles_wDocScrutinizer: they're not that scary, spent 10 years living there, most of them are good people as they say01:59
DocScrutinizerwell maybe 50% of them. obviously at least 50% must have voted for bush though, TWO TIMES!02:00
luke-jrtoggles_w: 1 US gallon = ~1.1448 galls02:00
luke-jrtoggles_w: $ isn't metric02:01
toggles_wluke-jr: thanks, can you put in a patch for units? ;-)02:01
toggles_wluke-jr: ok, base 1002:01
luke-jrtoggles_w: nfc what units is02:01
luke-jrtoggles_w: and that's why $ sucks02:01
toggles_wluke-jr: apt-get units02:01
luke-jrI don't want to :P02:01
luke-jrneed src to patch02:01
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toggles_wluke-jr: apt-get source units02:02
luke-jrI use Gentoo02:02
toggles_wluke-jr: emerge units02:02
DocScrutinizerwith tonal extensions02:02
toggles_wnight guys, bed time, i'm going to fling myself off the alps tomorrow..02:03
DocScrutinizercool - enjoy! beware of the thunderstorms and their devil thermics02:04
toggles_wwill do02:04
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DocScrutinizerotherwise you'll land in my garden, not any time aerlier than that02:05
luke-jrtoggles_w: can't find source repo, so no :P02:05
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DocScrutinizertoggles_w: well, maybe on 30.000ft it's more confortable than down at ground level, so make the best of it ;-D02:08
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MohammadAGmy N900 keeps forgetting time at reboots :S02:13
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: on reboots or on removing battery?02:14
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MohammadAGhmm, removing batteries02:16
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DocScrutinizerthat seems normal. Obviously Nokia is using same crappy hitachi backup LiIon cell we did on Openmoko. Break after 6 months from manuf date, for 90% of devices02:17
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DocScrutinizerso no way to survive bat removal of >xx seconds02:17
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DocScrutinizeralso I found swapping SIM actually causes N900 to discard any RTC and ask for date/time/lang/locale02:18
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, can it be replaced?02:18
MohammadAGyeah, I know about the SIM part02:18
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DocScrutinizersure, if you find anything better, and a dude to solder it02:18
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MohammadAGnah, I can solder it myself, I'm 733102:19
infobotmohammadag is probably special02:19
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DocScrutinizerI can't recommend it. It's rather nasty to replace that cell, and you get same crap again, so 6 months later you got same shit. Probably faster, depending on your soldering skills, as the cells seem not to stand the high temperatures despite they are built to do02:21
MohammadAGor.. i could blame ubuntu02:21
* DocScrutinizer shrugs02:21
MohammadAGit might be crapping around with the RTC02:22
DocScrutinizerbut then buntkuh has no maens to detect battery removal02:23
DocScrutinizerso you could easily tell apart02:23
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DocScrutinizer[2010-07-18 01:14:26] <DocScrutinizer> MohammadAG: on reboots or on removing battery?02:24
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MohammadAGwell, I removed the battery, the N900 booted ubuntu instead of maemo02:25
MohammadAGmultiboot does that for some reason02:25
ShadowJKMy N900 often asks for date/time/lang/locale, but the values presented are always correct02:25
DocScrutinizerif it's bupbat, my recommendation is to use a primary cell like AG13 or somesuch, preferrably Litium 3V02:26
MohammadAGthe values here are always wrong02:26
MohammadAG1 Jan 200902:26
MohammadAGor was it jun02:26
ShadowJKcharging primary lithium is ultrabad idea :-)02:26
DocScrutinizerit won't charge02:26
ShadowJKcharging AG13 is fine, you just get acid splatter :D02:27
DocScrutinizercharge voltage is 2.5V02:27
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DocScrutinizeralso charging current is ~100uA02:27
MohammadAGcan Nokia change this under warranty? :)02:27
MohammadAGhmm, I don't want a broken power button, nvm02:28
DocScrutinizerit's 733102:28
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MohammadAGyeah, at least good ol' stevy won't be able to shut it down from the side and say "hey, if you death grip it it drops the whole OS"02:29
DocScrutinizernobody but you knows how to power up the device :-P02:29
MohammadAGthat too02:29
MohammadAGthough tbh I haven't powered off in some time02:29
MohammadAGR&D mode seems to cause conflicts02:29
MohammadAGthe device always powers on if I shut it down02:30
DocScrutinizerit's a *feature*02:30
MohammadAGyeah, an annoying one02:30
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MohammadAGk, gonna nail a router in the head, brb02:31
smharmohammadAG, is gnumeric optified yet?02:31
DocScrutinizerflasher --set-rd-options="force-poweron=0"02:31
DocScrutinizeryou'll work out the right syntax02:32
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DocScrutinizerflasher --clear-rd-flags02:33
smharmohammadAG, because I think you are the one who ported it, right?02:34
smharmohammadAG, oops, seems not.. sorry02:34
ColdFyredoes anyone know with the n900 how to splice a micro-usb connector to the travel seems that just doing the red/black does not provide enough for it to charge?02:35
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FauxFauxYou probably need to short out those other things that I can't remember.02:35
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swc|666so i'm ssh'd into my friend's N900 who had just flashed pr1.2, and when running apt-get dist-upgrade i get this...02:36
ColdFyreyou mean the green/white02:37
swc|666any ideas how that is possible? 0o02:37
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luke-jrswc|666: lol, awesome02:38
DocScrutinizerColdFyre: short the white and green02:38
luke-jrswc|666: I think he has something installed that conflicts ;)02:38
ColdFyreok, here goes nothing...02:38
ShadowJKYeah use app manager :)02:38
swc|666luke-jr, yeah its pretty much a fresh install, just rootsh and titan's power kernel02:38
DocScrutinizerColdFyre: what the hell are you doing?02:39
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DocScrutinizertravel charger?02:40
DocScrutinizerTHE travel charger?02:40
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DocScrutinizeryou are aware you need a stabilized 5.0V for that ?02:40
ColdFyretravel charger=wall charger02:41
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luke-jrswc|666: flashing PR1.2 doesn't uninstall 3rd party apps IIRC02:41
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DocScrutinizerit *has* a micro-usb afaik :-P02:41
ShadowJKColdFyre, which wall charger?02:41
ColdFyrethe usb connector broke02:41
ColdFyrethe charger that outputs 5dvdc02:41
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DocScrutinizerjust connect all 4 wires to the ones comming from Nokia wallcharger02:42
ShadowJKColdFyre, did the port on N900 break, or did the connector on the cable of the charger, that came with N900, break?02:42
ColdFyrejust the cable02:42
ColdFyrethe cable was flexed too much02:42
ShadowJKWell in that case do what DocScrutinizer says02:42
ColdFyrei did, it works :)02:42
ShadowJKJust making sure you're not trying to connect the charger directly to the battery, becuase that would be Very Bad(TM)02:43
ColdFyreohhh no...02:43
DocScrutinizernot really02:43
DocScrutinizeryou can even survive it02:44
ShadowJKWell, yeah it's survivable..02:44
ColdFyrei try not to break/burn stuff02:44
ShadowJKBut it's not pleasant02:44
DocScrutinizerreally bad would be to connect micro-usb to an old style barrel connector type charger02:45
ShadowJKOh? Wouldn't bq24150 raise fault for input overvolt? :)02:45
DocScrutinizerthough, as I know Nokia devices, N900 should just yell and display "wrong charger Overvoltage!!"02:46
ColdFyrein the process of this splicing, i did make the new charger cable about 20 feet in length02:46
ShadowJKDocScrutinizer, "Not Charging" :P02:46
DocScrutinizerhandy for extended N900fly sessions02:46
ColdFyreit is almost as long as the cord for my vacuum cleaner02:47
DocScrutinizerwell, my old y2k 6210 said "Wrong Charger!" when connected to 12V :-P02:47
ShadowJKis that in english locale or german locale? :P02:48
DocScrutinizerenglish :-D02:48
DocScrutinizerin German it'd be too long02:48
ShadowJKIt's kinda amusing how you can gain more details from Nokia devices by re-running tests in as many languages as you know :)02:48
DocScrutinizer"falsches Ladegeraet!"02:49
DocScrutinizerLANG=C means Finnish for Nokia. en_US is just a 3rd class language to them, sparsely supported :-P02:50
* DocScrutinizer mumbles "recharge BLS-2N"02:52
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DocScrutinizermeh, recovery charge. 6210 won't boot02:53
DocScrutinizernot even on 9V :-P02:53
DocScrutinizersee? problem isn't that new02:54
Cold_cellstep it to 24002:54
DocScrutinizerI'll wait another hour, till daily thunderstorm. Then place it on roof02:54
Cold_cellhook it to the lhc02:55
ShadowJKthunderstorms suck :/02:55
DocScrutinizerI *love* lighning02:55
DocScrutinizerI adore it02:55
Cold_celluntil is strikes your pet frogs :(02:56
DocScrutinizerstill trying to find out about correctness of the info that lighning bolts emit neutrons, due to fusion reactions02:56
ShadowJK lightning when contained is fun :)02:56
DocScrutinizeron 10 mio °C one or two hydrogen atoms may actually consider joining their lives02:58
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ShadowJKSo like, um.. good luck detecting these neutrons?02:59
DocScrutinizerbut 30.000°C seem a lil low for Hydrogen fusion02:59
ShadowJKonly a few hundred metres of humid air between supposed miniscule fusion and you with detector? :P03:00
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MohammadAGShadowJK, I want that tesla thing running via USB on the N90003:05
DocScrutinizerShadowJK: sure. I'll not try to detect the neutrons by myself. Just trying to learn more03:05
ShadowJKMohammadAG, yeah03:05
ShadowJKMohammadAG, I wonder how much those guys want to perform? :)03:05
MohammadAGlol probably not much :P03:06
MohammadAGShadowJK, you can do it yourself, if you have the coil :P03:06
LiraNunawe need something like this03:06
* DocScrutinizer burps03:07
ShadowJKMohammadAG, I'm not an artist03:08
cehtehhuh strange since earlier today i have a weird led blink pattern sometimes (i didnt edited mce.init)03:08
MohammadAGShadowJK, no one is born an artist :P03:09
cehtehsawtooth full white dimming a bit going full white again03:09
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ShadowJKMohammadAG, OK, let's put it this way: I think the cost of one performance from these guys is less than the cost of building my own tesla coils complete with aparatus for modulation and midi control03:10
cehtehno idea whats causing it03:10
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DocScrutinizercehteh: strange03:11
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ShadowJKnever seen that03:13
cehtehguess i just reboot03:13
cehtehi have no such pattern in mce.ini03:14
* DocScrutinizer suggests testing all available patterns that claim to be white (rgb), via dbus-send03:14
cehtehi know my patterns03:14
DocScrutinizerso somebody hacked your LP5523? :-P03:15
cehtehis it smbus?03:15
* cehteh rather suspects a mce hickup03:16
DocScrutinizermce IS a hickup03:16
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cehtehok rebooted, lets see if that happens again03:18
DocScrutinizerand btw there might be leftovers from e.g NOLO inside LP5523, if mce 'forgets' to init it again03:18
cehtehor some race when it pushes a new pattern03:18
DocScrutinizercould easily be a repeated powerup scheme03:18
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hnohow do you test a pattern with dbus-send?03:20
cehtehor my device starts to become self aware and wants to send me a message :)03:20
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* DocScrutinizer curses lp5523 driver for not reading out progarm area of the chip03:20
cehtehyou can test them in xchat too :P03:20
cehtehwith my plugin one can test all patterns :)03:20
* DocScrutinizer curses cehteh for xchat LED abuse and missing GUI for doing /notify_mode -L03:21
cehtehsend patches03:22
DocScrutinizerpissed me off for days now, until ShadowJK told me the 'trick' - WTF!03:22
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DocScrutinizerpatch on patch: s/+/-/03:22
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cehtehit has a config file and buildin help03:23
DocScrutinizerpff buildin help - I see, I see03:23
cehtehand last i added configureable defaults for a packager03:24
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cehtehguess youll never be happy03:24
DocScrutinizerfact is: I copied over *ALL* .xchat2/* to new machine, after installing xchat, and it acted up on me03:24
DocScrutinizerI simply do not want new options enabled by default, on a app update. Esp if there's no obvious simple way to deal with them03:26
DocScrutinizerreally got angry on that flashing blue all day long, and even more after going thru all possible config option in setup, just to learn I wasted an hour of my time for nuttin03:28
DocScrutinizerbase^('I knew it' factor)03:29
cehtehyou just didnt rtfm03:31
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DocScrutinizercouldn't be bothered to rtfm for an "update" I was *forced* to install, after I knew for month I don't like it and refused it until there was no other option. Hell I *know* TFM03:33
DocScrutinizerand still nobody cares to make a xchat+pythonplugin available, though that would be really an alternatve worth to get a second package, while that LED 'shit' just needed a correct default setup03:34
DocScrutinizerImean, I don't care if you ship a xchat.cfg with that version that has LED enabled. But WTF I used my old nice config and it gave me LED. that's WRONG03:35
DocScrutinizerabsolutely wrong03:36
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DocScrutinizerbest joke on that topic: even RST38h got issues with blue blinking LED lately03:39
DocScrutinizerwhich he couldn't figure where they come from03:39
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ShadowJKthe settings are not in the fm.03:41
ShadowJKfine manual03:41
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ShadowJKYou would only know it had you followed the xchat on N900 thread on tmo. :)03:42
* DocScrutinizer feeds a megaton of RTFM to cehteh03:42
ShadowJKIt's a wonderful feature, but I got so pissed off at it never doing what I wanted, so many times, that the command for controlling it was ethced into my brain03:43
ShadowJKlearning through pain03:43
DocScrutinizergreat! xchat masochist edition03:43
DocScrutinizerhonestly, no new feature must ever default to on, when config is missing in configfile03:45
DocScrutinizerexcept *explicit* bugfixes maybe03:45
DocScrutinizerand even then it's questionable03:45
DocScrutinizeras you might have installed your own fix that collides03:46
ShadowJKOn the other hand, xchat plugins are pretty masochist to begin with03:46
ShadowJKin the not-first version, the popup maemo dialog and stuff was disabled by default, iirc :)03:46
Macerjust install irssi03:48
DocScrutinizerwell I wonder why we got such crap like "flash icon in systray" in preferences GUI (which afaikt is completely null function), and otoh the LED which I'd consider a valid replacement isn't controllable at all via prefs GUI03:48
DocScrutinizerMacer: eat your irssi03:48
MacerDocScrutinizer: :)03:48
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ShadowJKthe systray thing worked on N810 and might work on N900 if one installs that notification area thingy :/03:49
MacerDocScrutinizer: sorry. just grew fond of irssi03:49
DocScrutinizeraah, fait enough. Wasn't aware there's such thingy03:49
Maceronce everything is set up correctly it works greater than anything else i've ever tried03:50
Macerjust don't get all the pointy clicky stuff03:50
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ShadowJKI use xchat as an interface to irssi's proxy module03:50
DocScrutinizerwell I never will accidentally answer in wrong channel anyway, when using xchat03:51
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ShadowJKNot sure how to do that in irssi either :-)03:51
ShadowJKit just seems to do sensible things on itself, like creating a new window for each new channel03:52
ShadowJKBut then again my expectations are probably somewhat low. I got introduced to CLI IRC clients with ircII-epic :-(03:52
DocScrutinizerI never gave irssi a try, as on terminal I do terminal stuff, not chat. In reverse conclusion I don't need a terminal in my irc client :-P03:52
MacerDocScrutinizer: well. i'm a big fan of running it on my shell box at home and running screen and sshing to it03:53
Maceri guess it is just one of those things that just stuck ;)03:53
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DocScrutinizerit's as clumsy as can get. I'm using a bouncer as that's the right way to deal with that03:54
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Macerwell.. the bouncer is still dependent on you being connected to it03:54
ShadowJKirssi is my bouncer :)03:54
MacerShadowJK: haha03:54
luke-jrDocScrutinizer: no wai, Quassel!03:54
DocScrutinizerMacer: ooh so screen isn't?03:54
MacerDocScrutinizer: i just meant that if you are not connected to the bouncer you will be disconnected from irc ;)03:55
DocScrutinizernope I won't03:55
DocScrutinizerthat's the point of a bouncer03:55
luke-jrMacer: fail03:55
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Maceri thought bouncers did just that03:55
DocScrutinizerwell, except buffer playback of course03:56
Macerbounced you off another box to the ircd03:56
ShadowJKI remember trying to collaborate with someone at university, the computer halls were so full he only found a free computer in another room. It was pretty painful to use chat (I think that was it?) :(03:56
MacerDocScrutinizer: er03:56
Macerthat is what i meant03:56
Macerhappy bouncing03:56
luke-jrQuassel wins.03:56
DocScrutinizerluke-jr: client or bouncer?03:57
luke-jrDocScrutinizer: the line is blurry03:57
luke-jrQuassel is a client, but it has 2 processes03:57
luke-jrwhich don't need to be on the same system03:57
DocScrutinizersounds interesting03:58
luke-jrbasically a proprietary bouncer + proprietary-protocol client03:58
luke-jrbut it does much more than a bouncer03:58
DocScrutinizergot that03:58
luke-jrsane scrollback, and such03:58
DocScrutinizersounds nice03:58
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ShadowJKplease elaborate "sane scrollback"04:01
luke-jrShadowJK: it looks just like any other GUI client if you never disconnected04:02
luke-jrincluding timestamps, etc04:02
luke-jroh, and IIRC the scrollback is infinite04:02
luke-jreven if you restart the bouncer-part04:02
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DocScrutinizershould, if the bouncer keeps proper logs04:03
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luke-jrit doesn't04:03
luke-jrit has a db04:03
lcukluke-jr, worst thing about scrollback which is visible after reconnecting..04:04
DocScrutinizernice standard timestamps are a real advantage though04:04
lcukon my 900 xchat shows historical04:04
lcukand i sometimes ponder answering some things04:04
DocScrutinizerbuffer playback over standard irc prot from bouncer to client always has the issue with two timestamps04:04
luke-jrI've never seen anyone/client/bouncer/server actually USE the standard IRC port04:05
DocScrutinizerprotocol, not port04:05
luke-jrgotta wonder why FreeNode doesn't support the standard port tho :)04:06
luke-jryou know, 19404:06
DocScrutinizerthe client doesn't know it's playback and prepends current time04:06
* ShadowJK wonders briefly if ports are mentioned in RFC145904:06
ShadowJKWorryingly, this is the only rfc I remember the number of :)04:07
DocScrutinizerkonqueror has "rfc:1459" shortcut by default04:07
ShadowJKThough if someone started waving the ircnet rfc around I'd probably recognize the number04:07
DocScrutinizeror was that me implementing it some decades ago? :-P04:08
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ShadowJK6667 is the standard irc port, iana can go fuck themselve04:08
ShadowJKlanana (or whatever) too :P04:08
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luke-jrRFC1459 uses 666704:10
luke-jrbut onyl as examples04:10
ShadowJKThere was actually, if I don't remember entirely wrong, a short period of time when people tried to promote the use of the iana assigned ssl-irc port..04:10
ShadowJKBut <1024 was unpromotable really.04:10
DocScrutinizerseems there are more abstract ways to specify the port04:12
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DocScrutinizerfor a particular irc server04:12
DocScrutinizer(DNS ?)04:12
ShadowJKNah. afaik, every network ended up with their own port number04:13
luke-jrdig SRV _irc._tcp.irc.freenode.net04:14
ShadowJKAnd various ferocious attempts to promote alternate ports to defeat various bots hammering the "standard" 6667,etc04:14
* luke-jr glares at FreeNode04:14
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ShadowJKFreeNode as an irc server operator community member is about as upstanding as an AOL user was on the wider internet back in the days.04:15
DocScrutinizernah, I was wrong04:15
ShadowJKSo don't expect too much.04:15
DocScrutinizerluke-jr: yep, that's what I thought of04:17
DocScrutinizerseems it's missing the port though?04:17
* ShadowJK gets empty04:18
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luke-jrDocScrutinizer: it doesn't exist04:33
DocScrutinizer51umm the url resolves04:33
luke-jrI didn't give a URl04:34
luke-jrand doesn't resolve to anything04:34
luke-jrit returns a NXDOMAIN (no such domain) result with SOA/authority04:34
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DocScrutinizerhow'd you query SIP for
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luke-jrdig SRV ?04:38
DocScrutinizerhmm, thought so, but returns same empty04:38
DocScrutinizerand I thought sipgate supports that SRV query04:39
luke-jrI think only XMPP actually uses SRV04:39
luke-jrdig SRV
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yigaldoes anyone here use Facebook?05:18
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yigalI was gonna make fun of u if u did05:21
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luke-jrC760 = 1G handheld; N810 = 2G handheld; N900 = 3G handheld06:16
luke-jr(NanoNote = wtf is this thing good for? :P)06:17
luke-jrN1 = 4G ?06:18
luke-jrif N1 is 4G, I want 5G :P06:18
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ppmanI have maemo-pan installed,06:42
ppmanI've paired to my phone,06:42
ppmanit's running internet sharing and is waiting for the pan connection06:42
ppmanI can't figure out how do make a pan connection06:42
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ppmanthis is frustrating07:20
ppmanI had a dummy connection before07:20
ppmanbut I deleted it, thinking it was from the previous owner07:20
ppmanso now I'm lost - how do I get it back?07:21
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ppmannobody can help me with maemo-pan?07:45
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yigalwow man that's cool you're old school with n8x007:50
ppmanI just bought it07:51
yigalgood to hear07:51
ppmann900 is small, plus it's not 3g compatible with AT&T07:51
ppmanso it's not an option07:51
yigalthe right size screen, just a tad under powered07:51
yigaln8x0 for you07:51
yigalI purchased the n900 after waiting 6 months for something better07:52
ppmanI can do wifi sharing through my phone, but that wastes power like crazy07:52
yigalya, bluetooth is the only way07:52
ppmanso if PAN support works, it'll be a great device for me07:52
yigalppman: it depends on your phone07:52
ppmantouch pro07:53
yigalwhat is it?07:53
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yigalhave there been any cases of tpro working with a nit?07:53
ppmanis the n810 supposed to list PAN in the supported profiles?07:53
ppmantouch pro is the same software-wise as every other winmo phone, really..07:54
ppmansame exact stack on very similar hardware07:54
ppmanI even had the "DUMMY" connection - it irks me that I killed it07:55
yigaljust started to read
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ppmanI don't think the DUN hack still works for wm6.507:56
ppmanand that's sub-optimal anyway07:56
ppmandoes the n810 need to see that the device supports PAN?07:56
yigalppman: ya, I don't know the internals I'm afraid07:57
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yigalppman: this seems like a leed
ppmanthey pair just fine08:00
ppmanI've paried about 50 times today, trying to get this to work08:00
yigalya good luck, I'm sorry I can't help you more08:01
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yigalppman: which other WinMo phones work with n810?08:08
ppmanI see a lot of refence to the dash, at least08:09
ppmanmight have been some luck with kaiser..08:09
ppmanI think most people with success don't talk about it ;)08:09
ppmanso according to this link, maemo-pan should make a new type of connection?08:09
ppmannot so08:09
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ppmandoes it matter which maemo version I have?08:12
ppmanI may be dumb, but I think I have maemo 5 on here..08:12
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yigalyou have Diablo, 408:14
ppmanokay, so I don't..08:14
ppmanbut I have a confusing version string08:14
ppmanversion 5.2008.43-708:15
yigalppman: what is the advantage of DUN over PAN?08:15
yigaljust that tp or at&t doesn't support DUN08:16
ppmanapparently, you might be able to make calls over it, but for networking, PAN is infinitely better08:16
ppmanwinmo dropped DUN support08:16
ppmanofficially, they haven't and "it's the supplier's fault", but really08:16
ppmanwinmo -> no dun.08:17
ppmanand ICS over usb has worked for a long time.08:17
ppmanI don't have much bluetooth hardware, so never really tried PAN.08:17
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yigalsorry that bt isn't working well for you it can really be nice08:19
yigalppman: it's a weird naming convention, [4-5].2008.xy-z the wikipedia article, shows yours as a part, the last official release, of Diablo08:23
ppmanso I'm at latest? good.08:23
yigalfor instance the n900's latest OS is 10.2010.19-108:24
yigalppman: there is work being done to use Freemantle work on the n8x0 I'm not sure what's become of this work.  Have you installed telescope?08:25
ppmanand I don't want fremantle apparently,08:25
ppmanand people have trouble with maemo-pan and diablo anyway..08:26
yigalno, but it is the current Maemo OS08:26
yigalFreemantle that is08:26
yigalso you're sure it isn't your carrier doing something nasty08:26
ppmanpeople were saying a while ago that n810 hardware is missing things fremantle needs08:26
ppmanabsolutely sure08:26
ppmanI've got a new rom on the device08:27
ppmanso, they're doing nothing in software,08:27
ppmanand I've used ICS before over usb,08:27
ppmanso no network limitations either08:27
yigalperhaps attempt to use a friends phone that should work08:28
ppmanI'm sure DUN will work...08:28
ppmanI just can't figure out how to make a PAN connection08:28
yigalthe n810 is really a beautiful looking device08:28
ppmanso any PAN phone will give me troublew08:28
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yigalppman: so you've tethered your tp with a bt enabled laptop/desktop?08:30
ppmanno, not yet - I will try when I get a hold of one,08:30
ppmanit uses the same software to do usb, though08:30
ppmanand I can't get a pan connection08:31
ppmanalso, what happened to a maemo version starting with E?08:32
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ppmanoh wow, think I got it08:38
ppmanbottom of bug 3306 tells how to make the dummy connection again if you've lost it08:38
povbot`Bug DUMMY connections not visible in Select connection dialog08:38
ppmanand that seems to have connected08:39
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toggles_wluke-jr: ebuild:
luke-jrtoggles_w: neither are source repositories08:39
toggles_wthe ebuild points you to ftp.gnu.org08:40
ppmanaw, well it thinks it has connected..08:40
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ppmanit got a 169. address, and can't connect to anything,08:40
ppmanbut at least it thinks it made a pan connection08:41
luke-jrtoggles_w: FTP != source repository08:42
toggles_wfair enough, figured you'd patch it for gentoo then email the maintainer... but you could try this
ppmanbah, getting far too late - I will bother with this tomorrow.08:46
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luke-jrtoggles_w: wtf? who uses CVS anymore08:46
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toggles_wlol, if it's too hard just say so08:48
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luke-jrit is08:49
luke-jrUnicode doesn't even define the symbols required08:49
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ian_rhi all08:53
ian_rjust promoted the okuda theme to extras-testing, so please test and vote if you have time.08:54
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iliushow to find my mac address in N900?10:02
iliusthere is no command ifconfig10:02
PolarFoxit's /sbin/ifconfig10:04
iliusoh yes10:04
PolarFoxsbin is not in the $PATH /me thinks10:04
sheepbatit probably is for superuser10:04
PolarFoxyeah... you are right.10:05
Triztthe System/Settings/About application shows the MAC too10:20
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MacerDROP       all  --  anywhere             anywhere            Source countries: CN,TW11:26
Macerdie china die11:26
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jaemVille Vainio of Forum Nokia is haunting my computer.11:28
jaemI started playing a video demo of something by him, and killing Firefox won't stop his voice. O_o11:28
swc|666Macer, now drop AFRNIC and your golden ;)11:28
jaemStupid Flash11:28
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jaemSeriously, what the heck?11:29
jaemGah... stupid nspluginwrapper.11:29
* jaem shakes his fist at Adobe11:29
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timeless_mbpjaem: err11:37
timeless_mbpdon't blame flash for a stupid app11:37
timeless_mbpthat's a bug in nspluginwrapper11:38
timeless_mbpwhich is a third party pos11:38
timeless_mbpwhy are you using nspluginwrapper btw?11:38
timeless_mbp(what version of firefox, 64bit? which version of flash? 64bit?)11:38
jaemtimeless_mbp: I know that.  I was blaming Adobe for dropping 64-bit Linux Flash support instead of patching the security bug like they did for all the other platforms.11:39
jaemI either use 32-bit via nspluginwrapper, or I use the last released 64-bit build, which is insecure.11:39
jaemtimeless_mbp: any other options?  I'd try them gladly.11:39
timeless_mbpif you use 32bit ff4beta + 32bit flash11:39
timeless_mbpyou don't need pluginwrapper11:39
timeless_mbpand you get out of process flash11:39
jaemHmm... that's a thought, actually.11:40
* jaem will try that.11:40
timeless_mbpmake sure you aren't using nspluginwrapper when you do it11:40
jaemHeh, no, definitely not.11:40
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jaemOn the other hand, this looks shiny11:43
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* jaem was seduced away from non-broken Flash by the beckoning glow of the FF4b-pgo build11:44
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MacerDROP       all  --  anywhere             anywhere            Source countries: AF,CN,HK,KP,KR,PK,VN,TW11:47
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jaemStskeeps: I think I asked this on here before, but if I wanted to get an install running on the N810 without X, and with working networking and reasonable power management, could I do that without lots of pain?11:48
Stskeepswill answer after breakfast11:49
jaemStskeeps: Fair enough. :)11:49
Macerjaem: talk to luke-jr .. he has gentoo11:49
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jaemMacer: right, yeah... I might have to go with that.11:50
Macernot sure how well he has the power thing working out but i know he had gentoo running fairly well on it11:50
Macermaybe a few glitches but worked well enough11:50
jaemI want to look into connecting the N810 to a wristwatch, but I don't need anything fancy... like X.11:51
slonopotamusjaem: just strip off stuff X stuff from maemo?11:51
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jaemslonopotamus: That was my first thought.  I would be fine with a basic console.  What I wasn't sure about was how easy it was to fiddle with wifi from the command line on Diablo.11:55
slonopotamusjaem: well, you can try that _before_ killing X :)11:57
jaemslonopotamus: yes indeed.11:57
jaemBut where's the fun in that? ;)11:57
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slonopotamusjaem: if you want fun, try gentoo :) i use wpa_supplicant in it for wifi11:58
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jaemslonopotamus: I think that would be best.  I've never used Gentoo on the desktop, so I wasn't sure about diving in on the N810.  I probably will, when I have time.11:59
jaemThe watch won't ship for a while anyway.12:00
slonopotamusjaem: well, building packages on n810 isn't very fast :)12:00
slonopotamusjaem: afaik, there's also ubuntu for n8x0 so you can use it without X too (and i'm sure it has sane commandline wifi tools)12:02
jaemRight, I assume you're talking about b-man's build?12:02
slonopotamusjaem: and it should be easier for you to use than gentoo.12:02
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slonopotamusmaybe :)12:02
slonopotamusjaem: yep, b-man12:04
* RST38h yawns12:04
jaemthanks for the link12:04
RST38hGentoo? What Gentoo?12:04
jaemRST38h: it went that way ->12:04
slonopotamuserr, wut? b-man claims he doesn't have sound working12:05
jaemslonopotamus: He didn't, at one point.  I thought he fixed it, though12:05
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slonopotamusjaem: maybe that post is outdated. though google doesn't give me anything newer12:06
jaemI'm not sure - I haven't looked at it in quite a while12:07
slonopotamusjaem: how are you goint to use n810 with a watch? (just curious)12:07
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jaemslonopotamus: It's currently hypothetical, as I don't have my hands on the hardware.  I'm hoping it will work...12:08
jaemslonopotamus: It's this watch:
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jaemslonopotamus: what do you think?12:12
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slonopotamus_jaem: i don't know what is your usecase12:16
Stskeepsjaem: for minimal usage, either gentoo or meego12:16
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jaemStskeeps: Alrighty.12:17
Stskeepswe don't have wifi in meego yet.12:18
jaemslonopotamus_: Just experimenting with it to being with.12:18
jaemStskeeps: Meh... I should install it anyway, to follow development.  I've been out of the loop because I didn't have a device with MeeGo installed.  That will motivate me. :)12:19
Macerjaem: what are you going to do with that watch?12:19
Macerbuild meego for it? :)12:20
Macerheh. that would be neet12:20
jaemMacer: Sadly, no.  It's only 16-bit12:20
jaemNot to mention the 32KB Flash/4KB RAM.12:20
jaemIt still looks quite interesting, though, and I am a gadget-lover.12:20
Macerthere isn't a stronger watch?12:21
jaemMacer: Probably, but this one is cheap and hackable.12:21
Macer:) well. i meant a cheap hackable watch that is stronger12:21
jaemThere was a watch from someone (Fossil?) that ran PalmOS, IIRC, but it was expensive.12:21
jaemMacer: Stronger==?12:21
jaemMore powerful?  No, probably not.12:21
jaemThis one is $50, and there is an Open Source firmware project for it, apart from the ability to make your own full-custom FW.12:22
RST38hPalmOS only requires 6802012:22
jaemMacer: yep, that never got out of the lab, unfortunately.12:23
Macerthat sucks :)12:23
RST38hYou want a proper ARM watch, the one using MTK chipset12:23
Macerthat thing looks awesome12:23
RST38hOf course, good luck finding any info on programming that chipset12:23
jaemRST38h: which watch are you thinking of, out of curiousity?12:24
RST38hjaem: Any of so called "Chinese cell phoen watches"12:24
jaemOh, those.  Yeah, well, I wouldn't trust most of those.12:25
jaemGah, I neeed to go to bed.12:25
jaemG'night, all.12:25
jaem...oh, that's why it's abnormally warm - I'm compiling12:25
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Macerbut you can get the palm sdk :) heh12:28
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RST38hMacer: it is literally a fossil now12:34
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Maceryeah i guess you're right12:35
Macerbut maybe someone can get something going on it heh12:35
Macermaybe doubtful12:35
Macerbut it's a watch12:35
Macerwhat can you expect. although you would think this day and age...12:35
Macera cell phone watch / mp3 player / video player / email reader / etc would be a viable thing12:35
Maceri suppose someone can throw the time of the day in there somewhere too ;)12:36
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RST38hGet yourself a Chinese watch12:39
RST38hAsk Arkenoi how.12:39
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keriohmm... does flashlight-applet block the red recording led somehow?13:03
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alteregokerio: werent you talking about this yesterday? :P13:03
keriothen i went to sleep13:03
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keriofor like 10 hours13:03
alteregokerio: I think the flashlight applet stops the red led and gstreamer from using the camera.13:03
keriogod i love vacation13:03
alteregoHence why the camui crashes ..13:03
kerioalterego: no, even without the applet enabled13:04
alteregoI'll check.13:04
alteregoStill works for me.13:05
alterego(recording video) I just blinded my self with the flash trying to take a photograph13:05
alteregoHave you tried uninstalling it? :)13:05
alteregoBut tbh, when it's not actually "on" it shouldn't have any adverse effect on the lights/camui13:06
keriothen... wtf13:06
keriomy red led is broken D:13:06
alteregoHave you tried uninstalling it?13:07
alteregoHow have you been testing the red led?13:08
kerioalterego: record a video13:08
alteregoHrm, yeah.13:08
TermanaN900alterego, yesterday he said he never noticed it ever :P13:08
keriodoes the kernel-power disable it?13:09
keriothat's the other possible explanation13:09
Maceri want to see a documentary about the nazis that isn't biased13:10
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alteregoWhat's "kernel-power"?13:12
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alteregokerio: I think you should flash your phone and check to see if your LED works under normal circumstances.13:12
kerioalterego: the epic kernel in the repos13:13
kerioGaldor2: maemo!13:13
Galdor2yes. but why?13:13
kerio"why" what?13:14
alteregokerio: Oh, the "Power Users Kernel"?13:14
Galdor2kerio: why maemo?13:14
kerioalterego: i refuse to call packages by their display name13:14
alteregoI suppose it's possible that would interfere, I'm suprised no one else has not noticed it if that's the case. Have you asked someone else that uses that kernel?13:14
kerioit's a kernel that also allows overclocking13:15
kerioDocScrutinizer will kick me13:15
Galdor2kerio: maemo13:15
TermanaN900hello DocScrutinizer13:15
kerioGaldor2: ask nokia13:15
Galdor2do you concur?13:15
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kerioi concur13:19
keriokernel-power doesn't talk about red leds13:19
DocScrutinizerMacer: hard. Maybe watch films not at all about NS, like "Lord of theFlies" or "The Experiment"13:19
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kerioMacer: inglorious basterds13:19
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DocScrutinizerkerio: lol, not biased?13:20
Galdor2why not13:20
alteregokerio: doesn't mean it wont break it :P13:20
kerioDocScrutinizer: it overwraps the biasedness13:20
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DocScrutinizeryeah, like watching Mel Brooks Lord Helmet and his troops, for telling the future13:22
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DocScrutinizer~trout kerio13:25
* infobot slaps kerio around a bit with a large trout!13:25
alteregoThe power kernel should constantly show the red led just so you know you're living dangerously :P13:26
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DocScrutinizerkerio: could I talk you into running lfocus python (the few relevant lines) and see what's happening to the red led?13:28
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DocScrutinizeror wait, just install the app lfocus (however useless it may be) and just try to switch on and off white LED and red LED13:29
keriowill do13:32
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keriodoesn't work :(13:36
DocScrutinizeryou checked ?13:37
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DocScrutinizerkerio: doesn't work means what? lfocus doesn't install? or you feel like it doesn't do anything like advertised? or it actually can switch e.g. white video light on, just your red LED is like broken?13:40
keriothe white led flashes, the red one soesn't13:40
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crashanddieMohammadAG51: is back up13:40
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DocScrutinizerwhite LED : should turn on like torch-flashlight, when you're recording video and do the q-w on-off hwkbd switching13:42
DocScrutinizerI first had to enable hw-kbd in systray menu iirc13:42
DocScrutinizerlo crashanddie13:43
keriothe white one works fine13:43
kerioand really, i don't care about the red one13:43
DocScrutinizeryeah, but does lfocus work with the white LED?13:43
kerioi see it flashing when i tap the button in the lfocus menu13:44
DocScrutinizerkerio: see, I also don't care about *your* red led. But it's all about learning here, to find out what's up with that bugger13:45
JaffaMorning, all13:45
DocScrutinizermorning Jaffa - long time no see13:45
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JaffaDocScrutinizer: Busy days :-(13:45
DocScrutinizerbeter than boring days13:46
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kerioit works properly with the white led13:48
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DocScrutinizerand not at all with the red one?13:48
Macerkerio: that's not a documentary ;)13:49
Maceri didn't watch much of it when i did see it. i only got to the part where ze german killed the family under the floorboards13:49
Maceri'm watching consipracy now13:49
Macerit is amazing how ... easily they made this decision13:50
Maceri'm reading hte minutes now :)13:50
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kerioDocScrutinizer: nope13:51
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DocScrutinizerkerio: so odds are your hw is actually broken. hmm13:52
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kerioshould i care?13:52
kerioi mean, what's the red light used for?13:52
DocScrutinizerif you like a lightswap for a new motherboard, then this would be an opportunity13:53
DocScrutinizerkerio: nothing inportant really13:53
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MohammadAG51wow, i fire up xchat and users net split13:54
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MohammadAG51DocScrutinizer, ping13:54
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kerioa swap for what?13:55
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kerioMohammadAG51: it's all your fault!13:55
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG51: my keyboard splits as soons as you log in!!13:56
MohammadAG51DocScrutinizer, it respects me13:56
MohammadAG51kerio, I know :(13:56
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kerioDocScrutinizer: i guess i can reflash it to test it properly...13:57
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keriois there a way to make a complete dump i can restore with the flasher?13:57
MohammadAG51there's a bootmenu entry someone made13:58
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kerioMohammadAG51: to make a 1:1 backup?14:00
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DocScrutinizerkerio: most wanted feature (complete image) that seems nobody has achieved yet14:02
jacekowskiDocScrutinizer: i've tried to x-ray that phone14:02
jacekowskiDocScrutinizer: with proper inspection x-ray14:02
DocScrutinizerI bet it was both fun and useless14:03
jacekowskiand bloke that was doing it for me said that it would work with higher energy14:03
MohammadAG51kerio, afaik it uses dd14:03
MohammadAG51so yes14:03
jacekowskibut at energy required to get usefull results it would wipe flash as well14:03
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG51: where's my beer you owe me?14:04
DocScrutinizeriirc you failed epically on flashing an image created with dd14:05
MohammadAG51yeah, dd failed to create a proper dd14:05
jacekowskiyou can't dd live filesystem14:05
DocScrutinizererr wut?14:05
MohammadAG51you can dd a dead filesystem14:06
jacekowskibut how do you plan to dd dead filesystem?14:06
jacekowskimount -o remount,ro /14:06
DocScrutinizeryeah that's all pretty nice and true and whatnot, but can you *flash* it?14:06
MohammadAG51i have ubuntu, fedora and nitdroid running14:06
MohammadAG51k, last one might be useless14:06
jacekowskiyou need headers14:06
jacekowskiotherwise nolo will refuse to flash it14:06
DocScrutinizerfor sure14:07
MohammadAG51nolo failed14:07
MohammadAG51when i flashed it14:07
jacekowskiand checksums as well14:08
jacekowskiso you have header, header version, and crc3214:09
jacekowski+ i think every block in fiasco is checksummed as well14:09
MohammadAG51so how does that app supposedly work?14:11
jacekowskiit's not flashing fiasco14:12
DocScrutinizeranyway it sounds *cute*14:12
jacekowskihmm let me check something14:12
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MohammadAG51hmmm, he says flash 1.2 fiasco first then flash the image made with dd14:13
MohammadAG51is nolo _that_ stupid?14:14
jacekowskiyou can't flash that14:15
jacekowskiunless you are doing it without nolo14:15
jacekowskior flasher is building fiasco image14:15
MohammadAG51he's using flasher-3.514:15
MohammadAG51idk, not gonna test this14:15
MohammadAG51too many custom changes14:15
jacekowskiit could be flasher that's building fiasco image for nolo14:15
MohammadAG51fiasco-gen makes fiasco images, not flasher14:16
jacekowskibtw. do you know that nolo has limits on fiasco image size14:16
jacekowskiand it's up to mem size14:16
jacekowskibecause it's recieving data14:16
jacekowskiand then it's flashing after that14:17
MohammadAG51yes i know14:17
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MohammadAG51when flashing failed here14:19
MohammadAG51it said unexpected EOF14:19
MohammadAG51so i'm guessing dd failed14:19
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lcuk:D awww thanks14:21
rmrfchikhmm... while building application for "Maemo" targer in Nokia Qt SDK, I go "Packaging failed"14:21
rmrfchikNo more error messages14:22
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MacerTwo Iron Cross First Class recipients were women, one of whom was test pilot Hanna Reitsch. One of the Muslim SS members to receive the award was SS Obersturmführer Imam Halim Malkoć14:26
Macerwow. a muslim nazi?14:27
rmrfchikwhy not?14:27
ajf_rmrfchik: if you're not already, maybe try it in the maemo sdk scratchbox14:27
Macerrmrfchik: i thought nazis were anti-non-christians14:27
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rmrfchiknazi is about nationalizm. That is, about caring about your origin.14:29
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Macerthen how could judaism be considered origin?14:34
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Maceras a religion it is possible that people could be converts14:34
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DocScrutinizerMacer: nazis were not positive about christian church either14:44
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DocScrutinizerif anything they were involved with Wotan and/or crude satanism/other_BS14:45
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lcukso far off topic i think its on another planet :S14:46
DocScrutinizeranyway I seem to remember politics is strictly off topic generally14:46
DocScrutinizerlcuk: ack14:47
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* DocScrutinizer stabs lcuk to test if he's (been) asleep again14:51
lcuknope, ive had breakfast and had a good laugh at youtubers14:51
* lcuk quotes:14:52
lcukIf this was on iPhone, I would have guessed it's "magic". But since it is not, I would have to guess it has something to do with the camera focusing sensor (not the camera it self) and line crossing.14:52
DocScrutinizerbreakfast... sounds like something familiar - long ago. Should probably try to remember about what it was14:53
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lcuk (for those who dont know where)14:53
lcukso i should just get an iphone shell around my n90014:53
lcukand then it would be magic?14:54
* lcuk might get iphone sdk and try it14:54
DocScrutinizerlcuk: naaw14:54
jacekowskii really think that search feature in iphone was one of the best things about that phone14:55
lcukdoes iphone code run fast enough?14:55
* lcuk ponders 14:55
jacekowskii mean, seriously, it takes ages to find any e-mail14:55
DocScrutinizerlcuk: do you run fast enough to escape from iphone?14:55
jacekowskipartialy because modest is a disaster14:55
alteregolcuk: should do, it's mostly objective C14:56
lcukjacekowski, mm? grab modest code and see if a better search can be implemented14:56
DocScrutinizersearch? in modest??14:56
DocScrutinizerall new to me14:56
lcukalterego, is obj C fully compiled14:56
* lcuk does not know14:57
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DocScrutinizersure it is14:57
lcuki thought it was like c# and java etc14:57
alteregoIt's just C with a bit of crappy OOP tacked on to make it look quite ugly.14:57
alteregoObjective-C probably predates the idea of bytecode VM's tbh :)14:57
lcukcool, so its more like CFront (C with objects)14:57
DocScrutinizeralterego: that's a bit too negative14:57
jacekowskilcuk: thing is that iphone had phonewide search14:57
alteregoDocScrutinizer: I don't like it :)14:58
kerioobjc is not that bad afaik14:58
alteregoC++ is better imo ..14:58
jacekowskilcuk: and it was working quite fast14:58
lcukjacekowski, see that14:58
alteregoC++ + Qt :D14:58
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DocScrutinizerobjective C is actually quite nice to me (the few 1000 lines of code I did)14:58
jacekowskilcuk: i mean it takes less to search something on iphone than to start modest on n90014:58
DocScrutinizerjacekowski: put tracker to correct decent purpose finally, and you're done14:59
* lcuk can search globally too14:59
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jacekowskilcuk: oO14:59
jacekowskilcuk: so i could write e-mail widget for liqbase?14:59
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jacekowskilcuk: and contacts widget14:59
jacekowskiso if i would just make a backend code15:00
jacekowskiwould you be able to deal with frontend15:00
jacekowskii mean, pictures and stuff15:00
jacekowskiso it wouldn't look like it was drawn by 3 years old15:00
lcukwell that was the idea i got sidetracked with things15:00
lcukheh my stuff looks likes its drawn by a young kid :P15:01
lcukmostly because it is, me and jake sit and draw stuff15:01
DocScrutinizerthat's how meego is doing things on UI gfx15:01
* lcuk tries to make stuff that jake understands15:02
DocScrutinizerobviously that's trendy nowadays15:02
jacekowskii'm just not sure how to do search for e-mails15:02
jacekowskiuse imap search functionality15:02
alteregoI dunno, I think they might be dumbing it down far too far.15:02
jacekowskibut then not everyone has imap15:02
alteregoEven farther than Apple ...15:02
lcukfull text search over a large database is tough in any system and needs keyword/hash/lookup  database of its own15:03
jacekowskior have local index15:03
DocScrutinizeralterego: yeah :-(15:03
jacekowskilcuk: i know that15:03
lcuki used to do searches over a ~2million record db15:03
jacekowskilcuk: i'm just exploring the options15:03
jacekowskiwell, i had 20 million record db15:03
jacekowskileaked phone book from polish telecom15:04
lcuklots of spam :p15:04
jacekowskiand that imported into mysql15:04
jacekowskiand after adding some indexes15:04
jacekowskii could search everything in under a second15:04
lcukdoes mysql have fulltext search overlay nowadays?15:04
DocScrutinizerhmm, normal15:04
lcuk1 second is slow15:04
jacekowskiit does15:04
jacekowskifor long long time15:04
jacekowskii twas p233 MMX15:04
jacekowskiwith old 40G HDD15:05
jacekowskiit took whole day for it to create indexes15:05
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG51: ping15:05
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DocScrutinizerjacekowski: muhaha15:05
* lcuk laughs at old workkmates who would download entire table and filter using local cursors15:05
lcukand wondered when it got near production that it was slow15:05
DocScrutinizermuhaha again15:06
jacekowskibecause that phonebook was originaly a text file15:06
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jacekowskibut mysql had fulltext search for a long long long time15:06
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lcukjacekowski, you dont just mean field like '*blah*' do you :p15:08
lcukfffffuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu tracy15:09
DocScrutinizerWHERE field LIKE "*bla*" ? Why not?15:10
lcukRT: @teebee7615:10
lcuk  @lcuk There's an app for that hahaaaa!!!! Is this where I point out it's slow lol!! love you really :)15:10
lcukshes a cheeky cow15:10
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DocScrutinizerlcuk: (LIKE) will take 'ages' but should work, for all I understand about SQL and maybe MySQL15:12
lcukDocScrutinizer, because the prefix wildcard means that it has to work on the data rather than index only15:12
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lcukie slow15:12
DocScrutinizersure, no index optimization possible n that. DB has to use rough matches15:12
DocScrutinizerwill take 'ages'...15:12
DocScrutinizerexcept if you create an index for each col of the string field15:13
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lcukyeah thats the fulltext overlay15:13
DocScrutinizerchar[1]("A".."z"), char[2]("A".."z")...15:14
lcukbut it bloats db size horribly and is impractical to rescan entire datasets15:14
lcukas noted by the number of forums who cannot offer timely search capabilities15:14
lcuki keep wanting a google operator on sql15:15
lcukselect fields from table where google 'stuff'15:15
DocScrutinizerthought there is15:15
DocScrutinizerwell not really but smething similarly screwed15:15
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DocScrutinizerdamn, decades ago... completely forgot about that shit15:17
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lcukyeah potentially but it has to hold info about data on all fields15:17
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lcuk\o ttyl15:18
DocScrutinizerhave fun :-)15:18
keriois there a good wardriving app for n900?15:23
kerioand is packet injection working?15:23
kerio(the two are, unsurprisingly, related)15:23
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jacekowskilcuk: i know15:26
jacekowskilcuk: mysql had fulltext search for 5 years at least15:26
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lcuknice jacekowski :)15:27
DocScrutinizerkerio: they are not exactly related. and wardriving *should* work, while packet injection afaik doesn't with the wlan chipset15:28
kerioi saw a guide that suggested the use of aireplay15:28
keriooh well15:28
jacekowskihmm, all it would have to create is database with all words15:29
keriois there a gui for wardriving?15:29
jacekowskiand then search with like word%15:29
jacekowskiit wouldn't be the fastest15:29
jacekowskibut i think it would be fast enough for search as you type15:30
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DocScrutinizer>>The search string must be a literal string, not a variable or a column name.<< ouch!15:31
jacekowskiit can be a subquery and that kind of shit15:32
jacekowskithere are workarounds15:32
jacekowskiwhere does modest store e-mails?15:32
jacekowskihmm .modes15:33
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ppmancan anyone help me get maemo-pan working on my n810?15:36
ppmanI think I had everything, but then I deleted the dummy connection by mistake, but I managed to make it again15:36
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ppmannow it's trying to connect to the pan, but it's acting really rather strange.15:37
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ppmanit's getting a 169.x.x.x address, and everything seems to route to another 169.x.x.x address15:37
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jacekowski169 addreses are apipa15:45
jacekowskiand if you get address like that then something is wrong15:45
ppmanthat's why I'm skeptical that it's *really* working...15:45
ppmanI usually get a 192.168.x.x address from ICS on windows mobile,15:46
ppmanat least when used over usb.15:46
ppmanAs soon as I can get a hand on a laptop with bt, I'm going to try that connected to the phone..15:46
ppmanor, in this case15:47
ppmanI think I got it...15:47
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alteregoIt means it's not configured to get addresses properly, whether manually assigned or using dhcp15:48
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ppmanit's working, mostly, just ifconfig says I still have the 169. address15:50
ppmanmaybe it's supposed to be?15:50
alteregoNo, not supposed to be.15:50
ppmanI noticed that it seems to want this address over dhcp,15:50
alteregoThat's because dhcp isn't working correctly.15:50
ppmanit's not like it fails to get it, then falls back on this..15:50
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alteregoWell, that's what it is doing.15:51
ppmanbut a lot of these pings are going through..15:51
ppmanwell, it's not consistent15:52
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opdf2When "Charging is Complete." Is the charging connection giving any power to the N900?15:58
ppmanopdf2: afaik, it goes between discharging and charging just a tiny bit15:58
ppmanalterego: so, out of a ping of 10 packets,15:59
ppman5 dropped,15:59
ppman2 came back from a 169. address somewhere else,15:59
ppmanand 3 came back from google as I asked15:59
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lcukit comes as no surprise that i made n900 go rather slow by running 16 youtube videos16:13
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MohammadAG51lcuk, isn't that an overkill?16:15
keriolcuk: my laptop becomes slow with *three* youtube videos16:15
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ppmanloading 16 youtube videos at the same time isn't normal...16:15
ppmanbut on the n900 it is16:15
lcuk:D lol16:16
kerion900 - not even once16:16
lcuko_O it crashed16:16
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lcukoh hang on no, battery flat16:16
* lcuk plugs in and tries again16:17
* lcuk slaps alterego 16 times16:26
lcukits running again now whilst charging16:27
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keriolcuk: won't work16:31
kerio1.1A is probably not enough, with that kind of load16:31
MohammadAG51my ps3 said out of memory16:32
keriobuy a wii16:32
MohammadAG51i'm 16, not 116:32
ppmantoo many youtube videos?16:32
steinexcan anyone tell me how i can let trackerd reindex all my stuff?16:32
steinexi tried trackerd -r but it did nothing16:32
lcukppman, no just empty battery16:33
lcukits working fine now16:33
MohammadAG51infobot, maemosdk16:33
infobothmm... maemosdk is
lcukacting as a nice hand warmer :)16:33
infobotMohammadAG51: aw, gee16:33
kerioMohammadAG51: yeah, yeah, "nintendo is for kids"16:33
kerioi forgot16:33
lcukour wii is used for many tihngs16:34
MohammadAG51aww crap, i'm turning 17 next month16:34
lcuktracy does her yoga with it16:34
lcukme and jake play cars o_O16:35
MohammadAG51lcuk, some people use it to smash flat screens16:35
keriolcuk: i feel that there's a double entendre somewhere there, but i can't find it16:35
kerios/some people/idiots/16:35
lcukkerio, hmm? no16:35
kerioit must be me then - nvm16:35
MohammadAG51lcuk, the PS3 has wii-ish stuff :P16:36
lcuknot really the same MohammadAG5116:36
MohammadAG51lcuk, better?16:36
kerionintendo: "motion controls! woo"      ms/sony: "pff, lame"16:36
kerioms/sony: "motion controls! woo"       nintendo: "THREE DIMENSIONS BITCH"16:37
MohammadAG51the ps move is interesting tbh16:37
lcukand the wii has momentum here, we have guitars and drumkit and mics and steering wheels and a boatload of games16:37
MohammadAG51i want a guitar and drum kit :(16:37
MohammadAG51for rock band 216:37
lcukyeah luke and tracy have a growing collection16:37
kerioMohammadAG51: wait for rock band 3, the "pro" instruments are awesome16:37
kerioand they're actually musical instruments16:37
lcukthe rockband type games are more like "Now thats what i call music.." tapes from days gone by16:38
MohammadAG51heh, it's mostly old songs16:38
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lcukdoesnt matter, just collections of music16:38
MohammadAG51yeah, but without a guitar/drumkit, you have to play vocals :P16:38
kerioboth the pro guitar and the pro keytar are actually midi instruments16:39
steinexanyone can help me with trackerd please?16:39
lcukMohammadAG51, replacing singing into hairbrush with real vocals lol16:39
MohammadAG51yes, purge it16:39
keriosteinex: killall trackerd16:39
lcuksteinex, whats up16:39
MohammadAG51i hate that thing deeply16:40
steinexkerio, lcuk: i want that trackerd reindexes all my stuff16:40
MohammadAG51it sees my battery life down to 10% and decides to reindex16:40
steinexi tried trackerd -r but it did nothing16:40
kerioMohammadAG51: it does it on purpose16:40
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MohammadAG51steinex, tracker-processes --hard-reset16:40
MohammadAG51as user, not root16:40
steinexMohammadAG51: will try16:40
keriodaemons are like dogs16:40
keriothey know you're not confortable with them16:41
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kerioand they act consequently16:41
MohammadAG51then restart the media player/photos app16:41
MohammadAG51lol kerio16:41
lcuksteinex, how long have you given the "trackerd -r" process to run?16:41
lcukand did you reboot before doing this (sometimes helps makes sure you are only running normal processes etc)16:42
MohammadAG51lcuk, it should be tracker-processes, not trackerd16:42
lcuk^^ then try that16:42
steinexMohammadAG51: cool it worked16:42
steinexMohammadAG51: thanks16:42
MohammadAG51np, i think i defined it in infobot some time ago16:42
MohammadAG51infobot, trackerreset16:43
infobotmethinks trackerreset is "tracker-processes --hard-reset" in Terminal16:43
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steinextracker sucks a bit... i have added album art to one album but trackerd never realized it... thus the hard reset16:43
steinexi would like to get rid of tracker at all :/16:43
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lcuktracker serves a purpose16:44
steinexi know16:44
keriowhat purpose?16:44
kerioit sucks16:44
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timeless_mbpsucking power is a very important purpose :)16:44
timeless_mbpsomething has to do it16:44
alteregotracker indexes all your icons and images you don't want to see.16:44
timeless_mbpbetter that people complain about the tracker than the browser :)16:45
steinexwell would the music player be usable without trackerd? not really, or?16:45
steinexif it would, then i could get rid of it16:45
MohammadAG51steinex, nope, it NEEDS tracker16:45
lcukkerio metadata indexing is important in some situations.  agreed its implementation isnt perfect but i dont think there is a perfect mechanism16:45
timeless_mbpit'd be 99.99% unusable w/o tracker16:45
keriolcuk: manual indexing when you tell him to16:45
alteregoI think tracker is a brilliant idea.16:46
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kerioor just a damn file browser16:46
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MohammadAG51timeless_mbp, what happened to the 00.01?16:46
alteregoIt just relies on too many variables and our system (I.E. The Media Player) is seriously flawed.16:46
lcukMohammadAG51, you get a nice front screen16:46
steinexcan i see the progress of tracker-indexer?16:46
timeless_mbpMohammadAG51: you can in theory ask the media player top play a file from a commandline16:46
alteregoUsing dbus :)16:46
alteregoYou can use the file manager too.16:46
keriotimeless_mbp: or from the file browser!16:47
timeless_mbpalterego:  presumably that uses the commandline16:47
alteregotimeless_mbp: more likely dbus16:47
keriocutexplorer uses dbus16:47
alteregoBut I Don't know for sure.16:47
alteregoIt'd make sense using the mime database and dbus services.16:47
alteregoDefinitely dbus16:49
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slonopotamus screenshot :)17:09
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trumeeslonopotamus, gentoo user yay!17:12
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kerioi still wonder about that red led btw17:42
MohammadAG51what red led?17:42
MohammadAG51the cam one?17:42
kerioMohammadAG51: that's my problem17:42
keriono red led :/17:43
MohammadAG51prolly fried17:43
keriowhat could cause it to break but not the two surrounding white lights?17:43
DocScrutinizergeneral generic failure17:44
MohammadAG51english: bad luck17:45
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DrGrovGood evening good evening17:59
DrGrovWhat is happening?17:59
DrGrovDocScrutinizer: Hi there Doc, I am terribly sorry. I have yet again deceived my brain to trick me into not sending you the N900 adapter.18:00
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DrGrovDocScrutinizer: I might have to look into my brain a bit harder :)18:02
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lcukJaffa, the youtube video is better sourced18:13
lcukit can handle more bandwidth than my server and its streaming :P18:14
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Jaffalcuk: Is there a tmo thread now?18:15
Andy80hi all18:15
lcukjaffa, that as well
smarthi all18:16
smartany one wanna chat18:16
lcuki do like that irc snippet though :)18:16
lcukits good to see the actual reaction as people discuss it :)18:16
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Jaffalcuk: Indeed :-)18:17
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Andy80in my application's page I've a warning: is it for this reason that "Promote to extras-testing" is not available?18:17
alteregoAndy80: has it been in testing for 10 days?18:18
alteregoOh wait, you're promoting _to_ testing :)18:18
JaffaAndy80: No. Are you logged in? ;-)18:18
alteregoAre you logged in? :D18:18
lcuksmart, don't PM people you do not know, its bad etiquette, if you want to chat start a conversation18:18
Andy80let me check..18:19
smarti am new on this server18:19
Andy80yes, I'm logged18:19
smartpls tel me about this lcuk18:19
JaffaAndy80: Then you should see "Promote package" on that page. Screenshot?18:20
smarthello jaffa18:21
alteregoWhat's the IRC newbie channel? The one where people go when they want to play around with IRC? :)18:21
Andy80Jaffa: just discovered it's mandatory that field:
alteregoOh yeah18:22
Andy80I'll upload a new version..18:22
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JaffaAndy80: Yeah, but I thought it let you get to testing with it missing; obviously not.18:24
Jaffa(any more)18:24
Andy80Jaffa: I requested an entry on bugzilla too... but I'll use my email address until it's not available18:25
lcukJaffa, how is your qt playing going, are you comfortable with the apis yet?18:25
lcuksince the open souring of maps for n81018:25
lcukdoes this mean we can port/use on n900?18:26
alterego"State of the art test facility", "17 anechoic chambers", "$100 million investment", "18 PhD scientists & engineers" "Advanced antenna design" -- And they still fucked up18:27
lcukwhat was not mentioned was WHEN this investment occured ;)18:28
lcukwasnt there news of antenna engineers wanted VERY recently18:28
alteregoGood point18:28
alteregoSo I agree holding your handset may affect signal on all phones. It does not however cause your phone to completely loose signal ...18:29
Jaffalcuk: Not had much chance to do further Qt playing yet18:29
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Jaffalcuk: I was thinking the same thing about Wayfinder. Getting it on my N900 would be good.18:29
lcukyeah :) vodafone seem to be applying best practice as far as possible with dead projects18:29
* Andy80 still wants Google Maps on N900... the best available around18:30
lcukdead closed projects *18:30
lcukAndy80, google maps isnt perfect18:30
lcukand requires net access18:30
lcuktry using it out in the middle of nowhere - when you NEED maps18:30
Andy80ok... it's not perfect but it was very very fast even on my N73... imagine on a N90018:30
Andy80when I see people using it on Android or on iPhone I say £"%£$%"%$"!!!!18:31
alteregoWas 3GS more successful than the N95?18:31
* lcuk still uses a photograph of local map18:31
lcukmuch more reliable18:31
lcukcan be upgraded to include indoor maps18:31
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lcukv good for conf18:31
Jaffalcuk: It's depressing that when abroad/at work the fastest way of getting a view of a map from someone's Google Maps web browser is to take a photo of their screen with your N900.18:31
* Jaffa feels like there should be something whizzy, quick & Bluetoothy18:31
alterego"1.7% iPhone 4 return rate" this is because they're waiting for you to fix the issue.18:32
lcukjaffa i photograph maps as soon as i get off a train or something18:32
alteregoThe fact the fix is a rubber band asided ..18:32
lcuknew places and local knowledge always trumps the internet18:32
lcuktho having search and routing is amazing18:32
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lcuktracy misses Todd from her n81018:33
zeltakhi trying to play around with maemo before i buy a n900. ive dl a image with ubuntu and the that the best way to go?18:33
zeltakand if so how does one install maemo apps on the sdk?18:34
alterego"Additional calls dropped per 100 calls compared to iPhone 3GS"18:34
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alteregoadditional call per 100 calls wtf?18:34
Jaffalcuk: Only reason I've still got my N810 is for car mount and Wayfinder.18:35
lcukyeah jaffa, hopefully we can get wayfinder license support sorted at very least for other n810 owners18:35
lcukeven without a port to n900 it would make many people smile :)18:36
lcukhow long is your license?18:36
lcukie when does it expire18:36
Jaffalcuk: Hmm, some time next year I think18:37
lcukwe only ever used to get monthly ones, tracy has been :( since we could not renew18:37
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Andy80Jaffa: now "Promote" link is available, but I wanna wait... i forgot to optify at least the executable (even if it's 250kb)18:46
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* lcuk ponders optifying /usr/bin18:48
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* MohammadAG51 ponders optifying / and using mtd5 as swap18:48
Robot101lcuk: to be really smart, the best thing to do would be to work out a way to detect which things were most frequently accessed, and put them on the NAND flash :P18:49
Robot101MohammadAG51: that wouldn't quite do it - because the buffer cache is never swapped18:49
lcukRobot101, for sure, and it should be completely transparent to the apps18:49
Robot101MohammadAG51: so if there's memory pressure *every* damn executable code page will go to MMC... slooooooooooooow18:49
lcuki dont like optifying single items tho18:50
lcukits more wasteful18:50
MohammadAG51Robot101, the emmc isn't that slow18:50
Robot101MohammadAG51: yeah, it really is compared to the flash18:50
lcukmoving whole folders in one go is somehow cleaner18:50
Robot101PR1.2 was godawful before a few things were moved back18:50
Robot101lcuk: investigate overlay filesystems?18:50
Robot101lcuk: but, cleanliness be damned, we gotta make it fast18:50
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Robot101lcuk: if you have a nice tool/framework for tracking wtf is going on18:50
lcukyeah Robot101 i agree18:50
Robot101lcuk: there's no limit to how we arrange things18:50
Robot101that doesn't give you page accesses18:51
lcukputting optification in the filesystem would be nice18:51
MohammadAG51hmm, i wonder how much space the next device will have18:51
MohammadAG51+512MBs surely18:51
lcukthats actually REALLY nice in principle18:51
Robot101you need something in kernel to track page accesses for you18:51
Robot101you want the most commonly executed 256MB of code to be on the MMC18:51
Robot101er, NAND18:52
lcukdamn you Robot101 :p its sunday i shouldnt be pondering this today :p18:52
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Robot101lcuk: if you can play with onedotzero at work, you can play with optification on weekends... you love it really :D18:52
* lcuk nods sagely18:52
Venemohey guys18:52
Robot101there are overlay filesystems which mush two filesystems together18:52
lcukand offers roast chicken18:52
Robot101that's quite interesting18:52
Robot101because - if you have an overlay18:53
alteregoEllo Venemo18:53
Robot101then /everything/ is in opt18:53
VenemoI'm testing XChat on the N900 at the moment18:53
MohammadAG51lcuk, mind if I ask some questions?18:53
Robot101so it's totally consistent, you just copy whatever you want on the flash over to the overlaied fs18:53
lcukMohammadAG51, ill close ##physics chan then18:53
Venemoit is not very well hildonized... :(18:53
Robot101you can tune it at runtime even... :D18:53
lcukyeah Robot10118:53
keriolet's just substitute the 256mb of ram with 16gb18:53
lcukit would be good18:53
MohammadAG51lcuk, why was /var/lib/dpkg optified, instead of microb-engine and locales?18:53
Robot101kerio: and some much bigger batteries... :D18:53
Robot101MohammadAG51: putting browser on MMC made it hella slow18:54
kerioRobot101: well, we're increasing the space it needs, so...18:54
Robot101also (your) locale gets hit really really often18:54
Robot101so if you optify it, kiss your UI performance goodbye18:54
MohammadAG51and the others? meh18:54
Robot101but, a good point, optify all the /others/ :)18:54
MohammadAG51when changing languages, swap18:54
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MohammadAG51sth bothers me18:55
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MohammadAG51why the f does Qt use a different locale for numbers18:55
MohammadAG51fapman for example uses arabic numbers, and I never set anything to arabic except timezone18:56
alteregoBecause there are less numerical formats than languages ..18:56
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* lcuk still giggles at name fapman18:56
keriofapman is awesome18:56
kerioway better than HAM18:56
alteregoNot used it.18:56
alteregoMight look into it ..18:56
alteregoDoes it have screenshots?18:57
MohammadAG51no, it has long app lists18:57
keriothe -devel version looks better18:57
lcukfapman is not a complete replacement and does not support everything required, but its damned quick18:57
kerioor the -testing version at least18:57
MohammadAG51lcuk, hmm, what does it not support?18:57
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lcukdoes it do software updates?  does it handle app restore?18:58
zeltakso anyone? is there a way to "tst-drive" 900 on a virtual machine or emulator?18:58
MohammadAG51i so wanna make a hildon-application-manager which has 0 shit in it18:58
MohammadAG51should shut up mp-fremantle-generic-pr and get rid of HAM18:58
lcukyou cannot have an in production app with 0 shit in it18:58
Stskeepsand no ssu18:59
MohammadAG51but you can divide by 018:59
lcukyou can, because you are special18:59
MohammadAG51Stskeeps, tbh, SSU also made more problems for me18:59
MohammadAG51i always reflash18:59
VenemoI don't understand the need for separate app managers18:59
MohammadAG51and seriously, who's expecting a PR1.3 :P18:59
Venemowhy not just improve HAM?18:59
lcukVenemo :)19:00
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alteregoI'm expecting PR1.3, just not any modifications to HAM :P19:00
* lcuk is expecting a pr1.3 as wlel19:00
timeless_mbpMohammadAG51: the engineers working on it expect something to be shipped after 1.219:00
alteregoI expect PR1.3 shortly after the release of Qt 4.719:00
kerioVenemo: "improving" ham would mean rewriting it in a sane way19:00
timeless_mbpas for expecting it to have a given name...19:00
alteregoI actually thinik they're waiting on 4.719:00
timeless_mbpbut yeah, at the very least, we're committed to shipping a <something> which has Qt4.719:01
MohammadAG51I want the new pulseaudio package19:01
lcuki want a pony19:01
timeless_mbpbecause our goal is for people to be able to use the n900 to build apps for <next>19:01
kerioi want no pulseaudio19:01
Venemokerio: are you familiar with its code or just saying it?19:01
* MohammadAG51 gives lcuk a pony19:01
kerioVenemo: just saying19:01
timeless_mbpkerio: you can replace the entire platform w/ something else19:01
kerioi actually don't know how to program in compiled languages :/19:01
timeless_mbpyou aren't required to use tracker, or image-viewer19:01
timeless_mbpor the media player19:01
timeless_mbpor pulse19:01
keriotimeless_mbp: or the n900!19:02
timeless_mbpwell, if you want to replace pulse, you need to replace the phone stack19:02
timeless_mbpbut the others are optional19:02
MohammadAG51is it me, or is the meego gallery a black window19:02
* kerio goes to buy an iPhone 4 with a bumper that matches his shoes19:02
alteregoMohammadAG51: didn't work for me either ..19:02
Venemokerio: lol19:02
alteregoStil can't get the 4.7 madde toolchain to work :(19:03
MohammadAG51go scratchbox!19:03
alteregoScratchbox is a pain in the ass19:03
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MohammadAG51madde is a wannabe19:04
lcukmadde allows building/linking with other non qt libs doesnt it?19:04
Venemomadde is not bad, just unfinished19:04
Venemolcuk: yes it does19:04
alteregoI like madde19:04
lcukdoes it allow building of non qt apps19:05
Venemolcuk: yes19:05
alteregolcuk: sure19:05
alteregolcuk: it wasn't developed for Qt at all.19:05
keriotimeless_mbp: i know i whine a lot - it's just that i see an incredible potential in the n90019:05
Venemoalthought it is a bit problematic to install 3rd party libs to madde, it is possible, too19:05
crashanddiedoes anyone have a tent I could borrow tonight?19:06
alteregoI'm working on a module at the moment that uses the accelerometer to decide whether the GPS data you're receiving is worth using to update the screen.19:06
lcukhuh alterego ?19:06
kerioalterego: cute19:06
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Venemoalterego: still the ovi store app?19:07
alteregoWell, if you've not accelerated 50m/s then you're unlikely to have moved as much as the GPS thinks you do sometimes.19:07
alteregoI'm also adding in an adaptive algorithm that uses H/V DOP to decide how likely it is that you're bolting around like a nutter.19:08
Venemohm. XChat would really need some polishing on its UI19:08
timeless_mbpcrashanddie:  i have one here...19:08
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timeless_mbpuntested, but..19:08
alteregoAnd it has averaging to make the data "smoother".19:08
Venemoit is not finger friendly at all19:08
alteregoUse irssi :P19:08
kerioVenemo: use the keyboard19:08
lcukyes Venemo RST38h looked extensively at modifying the text list but found issues with other parts of the system that would require a more invasive patch19:09
Venemokerio: i use the keyboard19:09
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kerioshift+pgup/shift+pgdwn to change channel, shift+up/down to go up and down in the text19:09
kerioctrl+enter to go fullscreen19:10
Venemolcuk: is RST38h the developer of the Maemo port of XChat?19:10
MohammadAG51yes, do you need an angry mob?19:11
lcukVenemo, RST38h is a system hacker whos looked at many apps on the platform and yes i think hes marked as current maintainer, but i am not sure its his primary focus19:11
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Venemolcuk: ah, okay.19:11
lcukie, if you want to have a go at patching it, i am sure he and everyone else will be happy to assist in any way possible :P19:11
Venemolcuk: well, I would help with the UI19:12
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lcukthere are ui overviews already, its coding them up thats tough19:12
alteregoGrrr ...19:12
lcukand making sure they dont break the system19:12
alteregoWTF doesn't madde work.19:12
lcukare you getting madde?19:13
VenemoI use madde19:13
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alteregoI'm more than madde :P19:14
alteregoI use madde successfully, but now I want to use Qt 4.7 but I can't get the madde 4.7 toolchain to work ..19:14
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alteregoI also found a bug in QtDeclarative :)19:15
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Venemothere is an IRC plugin for conversations and contacts19:17
alteregoI just use irssi19:17
Venemohowever, it can't seem to join channels19:17
MohammadAG51lol what use is it then?19:18
VenemoI dunno...19:18
VenemoIt is possible that I couldn't figure it out19:18
VenemoI could send PMs with it19:18
Venemobut /join didn't work19:18
MohammadAG51lol what if it added all users in the userlist to your contacts19:19
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VenemoI could send a PM to any of them19:19
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MohammadAG51499 contacts in the contacts app? wouldn't want that19:20
vldcnstdid you add # before the channel?19:20
DocScrutinizerDrGrov: check -devel for starhash-enabler. Should appear there in a few minutes19:21
* lcuk speaks to many people who do not join channels on irc networks19:21
vldcnstlcuk: I too like to speak with vldcnst.19:21
alteregoI couldn't even get it to work on 32bit ubuntu ..19:23
VenemoHAM is starting to annoy me19:23
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Venemoit refreshes its catalogs every time I go back from a category to the main place19:29
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Venemoand... it is unusable while refreshing.19:29
kerioVenemo: use fapman!19:29
kahless_wegi want to reflash my system now, do i have to flash this fiasco thingy? i read about that. normally i just would flash the emmc and the pr.19:29
keriokahless_weg: "this fiasco thingy" is the pr19:29
Venemowhy couldn't they make it refresh on a separate thread?19:30
keriowell, pr+kernel19:30
DocScrutinizerthat's why it's called*19:30
kahless_wegi have "RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.19-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin"19:30
DocScrutinizerand I would *not* flash eMMC19:30
DocScrutinizeras that'd wipe all my data and config19:31
kahless_weghmm, i would like to clean everything and start from "scratch". im following a nokia howto19:31
Venemothat may be good in some cases19:31
* DocScrutinizer shrugs19:31
Venemoif you really wanna wipe everything, flash the eMMC, too19:31
DocScrutinizerif that is what you want to do19:31
kahless_wegyeah :)19:32
kahless_wegi think i have everything backupped19:32
DocScrutinizerdon't boot in between flashes!19:32
kahless_wegDocScrutinizer: nope i dont :)19:32
Venemoanyone here familiar with Modest's development?19:33
kahless_wegthen i reflash now, wish me luck19:33
Venemoare the bug fixes from the TMO guy applied to the main branch, too19:34
* DocScrutinizer taps table, waiting for his very first uebercool "app" appearing in repo - even extremely optimized for short codelength ;-P19:34
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VenemoDocScrutinizer: what app is that?19:35
DocScrutinizera lil fancy to grow N900 to a real phone19:36
* Venemo wonders, what is starhash?19:37
DocScrutinizerso simple19:37
Venemoi'm sorry?19:37
DocScrutinizerenables star (*) nn hash (#) codes in dialer19:38
kerioall codes?19:38
DocScrutinizerevaluation is still going on, about completeness of codes supported regarding TS22.03019:40
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