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| Stskeeps | for? | 00:05 |
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| Stskeeps | would be better to explain :P i can always re-create my flash image, so | 00:06 |
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| jacekowski | hmm, nvm | 00:07 |
| jacekowski | it's not compiling anyways | 00:07 |
| jacekowski | i was hoping to do very ugly hack to have self contained i2c module in one file | 00:08 |
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| Proteous | meat probably | 00:58 |
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| ham5 | when I plug in the usb the usb0 interface isent gettin setup automaticlly what do I need to do? | 01:07 |
| ham5 | I have iface static in /etc/network/interfaces... | 01:07 |
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| luke-jr | ham5: click "PC Suite Mode"? | 01:08 |
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| ham5 | I can do it... I just need to 'ifconfig usb0 192.168.200.2 up' everytime I plug in the usb | 01:09 |
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| kerio | ham5: pc-side? | 01:09 |
| kerio | huh | 01:09 |
| kerio | edit /etc/network/interfaces | 01:09 |
| kerio | and add ifup usb0 to... hmm | 01:10 |
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| kerio | there's some script that's executed every time you enter pc suite mode | 01:10 |
| kerio | hold on | 01:10 |
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| kerio | ham5: http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_USB_networking | 01:10 |
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| luke-jr | ham5: you have ifplugd? | 01:12 |
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| ham5 | thats a long ass line to set/resetthe connection manager | 01:12 |
| ham5 | no luke | 01:12 |
| kerio | ham5: that's to make maemo think that's connected | 01:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer | emergency recover charge mode does NOT work with 550mA fast charge, as bq24150 power on defaults to not enabling the OTG pin :-((( | 01:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer | this means the whole 1707 autonomous fastcharger detection fu is completely worthless and N900 will recover_charge with 100mA, no matter what charger | 01:30 |
| Macer | er | 01:31 |
| Macer | how long do you need to recover charge for? | 01:31 |
| Macer | :) | 01:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, recover charging is timer limited to 32 minutes anyway | 01:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | now that pretty much explains why users have problems to resurrect a deep discharged battery. | 01:32 |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: that would explain the 'my phone won't charge' reports we get. | 01:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep | 01:33 |
| SpeedEvil | Hmm | 01:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | poor nokia, they obviously also didn't check for this silicon bug in bq24150 | 01:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer | or maybe it's just a bug in datasheet? :-D | 01:34 |
| SpeedEvil | Does it do the right thing on boot? | 01:34 |
| SpeedEvil | As it seems to not be rapidly switching on 500mA detection, and in several cases power-looping | 01:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | (bq24150.pdf p28, table 7 - for those who want to check) | 01:35 |
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| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: please rephrase | 01:35 |
| SpeedEvil | This may be a clear bug - in that it's a difference from the L1/L2 manual | 01:36 |
| SpeedEvil | I mean - many users have reported that it will loop - start to boot, crash out due to low voltage, and repeat | 01:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm, how's that related? | 01:36 |
| jacekowski | well, thing is that nolo doesn't shutdown on low voltage | 01:37 |
| jacekowski | and bme doesn't shutdown on low voltage as well | 01:37 |
| MohammadAG | dsme shuts down the device afaik | 01:37 |
| jacekowski | it requests shutdown from dsme | 01:37 |
| jacekowski | but that's on timer | 01:38 |
| jacekowski | so it would start to charge | 01:38 |
| jacekowski | and cancel the timer | 01:38 |
| MohammadAG | you can see it in framebuffer anyways | 01:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, on a battery with a certain impedance, the device will cause bat voltage to drop under hard shutdown threshold defined in GAIA | 01:38 |
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| DocScrutinizer | when starting to draw current | 01:38 |
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| DocScrutinizer | yesyes, all very nice and interesting, but applies to fully booted system, not to emergency recover charging | 01:39 |
| Macer | i have had my battery completely die and be ok | 01:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | Macer: uhum. What's the precise meaning of that? | 01:40 |
| Macer | you made it sound like the battery being completely drained will be difficult to recharge | 01:41 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: well, you get to emergency charging | 01:42 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: 32 minutes | 01:42 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: system boots | 01:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes, but only with 100mA | 01:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | so 50mAh might be really small charge to revive a drained cell | 01:42 |
| jacekowski | well, let me check | 01:42 |
| Macer | 30 mins @ 100mA isnt enough huh? | 01:43 |
| SpeedEvil | The other issue is that when it hits the charge threhod - will it always come up cleanly | 01:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | Macer: largely depends. you may draw a >100mAh from a cell from say 3V5 to 3V0 | 01:44 |
| jacekowski | hmm, nolo is charging as well | 01:44 |
| Macer | DocScrutinizer: i see. figured it would be enough to start fast charging | 01:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: for charging it's irrelevant if the CPU is running NOLO or linux. from a hw POV running NOLO means system has booted | 01:45 |
| Macer | by booting | 01:45 |
| Macer | at what point does the fast charging take over during the boot? | 01:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | probably in NOLO, see jacekowski ^^ | 01:45 |
| jacekowski | yeah, but nolo starts charging like after 0.1 after cpu starts | 01:45 |
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| DocScrutinizer | still it needs to crank up the whole system to do that | 01:46 |
| jacekowski | nah, CMT is dead | 01:46 |
| jacekowski | display is dead | 01:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | so 0.1s is a loooong time for a weak cell | 01:46 |
| Macer | haha | 01:46 |
| Macer | needs to start fast charging 1 planck after poweron | 01:47 |
| Macer | :) | 01:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | and if cell is below system Vlow threshold, no linux nor NOLO will get loaded, the whole system will refuse to start | 01:47 |
| ShadowJK | Macer: It's pretty hard to get a "completely drained" battery in normal situations | 01:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | not even for a plank duration | 01:47 |
| kerio | ok, explain that to me... why doesn't the n900 have pure hardware charging, again? | 01:48 |
| Macer | DocScrutinizer: there is always option b. get a nokia external battery charger | 01:48 |
| ShadowJK | The furthest I've managed has only required about 20 seconds of emergency charge before gaia booted the device | 01:48 |
| Macer | and dont completely drain your battery | 01:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: it actually is not as hard as you'd guess. There are several subsystems directly powered from Vbat, which might stay on and consuming when main system goes down ungracefully | 01:48 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: and it will stay in emergency charge mode | 01:49 |
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| ShadowJK | kerio, because typically you don't want hardware messing with the usb behind your back | 01:49 |
| ShadowJK | When the system is down, it's supposed to emergency charge entirely without software though, but as DocScrutinizer just discovered in the datasheet, the defaults are slooow :) | 01:50 |
| kerio | ShadowJK: pure charging from the original nokia charger, the one with the shorted pins, at least | 01:50 |
| jacekowski | kerio: it's charging at 100mA | 01:50 |
| kerio | it could be charging at... 1100? | 01:51 |
| Macer | maybe they should have kept the old charging style | 01:51 |
| Macer | :) | 01:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | kerio: I just found it doesn't matter if original fastcharger or anything else | 01:51 |
| jacekowski | Macer: they couldn't | 01:51 |
| Macer | jacekowski: why? | 01:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | if that's really a bug in hw and not in datasheet | 01:51 |
| ShadowJK | kerio, when you discharge the battery that low, it's not a good idea to try cram that much down it anyway.. | 01:51 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer: well, in recovery mode | 01:51 |
| jacekowski | Macer: microusb charging | 01:51 |
| jacekowski | Macer: all manufacturers agreed that they will use microusb for charging | 01:52 |
| Macer | jacekowski: they could have used both ;) | 01:52 |
| jacekowski | ekhm | 01:52 |
| ShadowJK | Nokia E75 has both :) | 01:52 |
| Macer | ShadowJK: ;) | 01:52 |
| kerio | jacekowski: let's add two microusb ports | 01:52 |
| ShadowJK | And it has different hw for the microusb charging and for the 2mm charging.. | 01:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: well, agreed is not exactly the word :-P | 01:53 |
| ShadowJK | Totally different behaviour.. | 01:53 |
| jacekowski | costs and space | 01:53 |
| jacekowski | mostly space | 01:53 |
| Macer | jacekowski: i would say mostly cost ;) | 01:53 |
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| jacekowski | say whatever you want | 01:54 |
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| jacekowski | i'm not listening anyways | 01:54 |
| Macer | haha | 01:54 |
| Macer | business is business .. money talks | 01:54 |
| ShadowJK | SmartQ has pretty awesome circuit for charging.. but it also comes with a gigantic psu (current-wise) :P | 01:55 |
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| DocScrutinizer | well, who's got a lab PSU to probe VBUS current, and would be willing to discharge his battery to <3V, then check how much N900 draws in recovery charging mode? | 01:55 |
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| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: i can | 01:55 |
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| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: not today though | 01:55 |
| kerio | why would the recovery charge only draw 100mA from usb but 500 from the fastcharger? | 01:55 |
| jacekowski | monday | 01:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | np | 01:55 |
| jacekowski | maybe tomorrow | 01:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: awesome | 01:56 |
| jacekowski | but amount of current n900 sucked from power supply was quite amazing | 01:56 |
| jacekowski | i had to set current limiter to 1A | 01:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | won't suffice | 01:56 |
| jacekowski | well, it was enough | 01:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | you'll see burst of >2A | 01:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | worst case that is | 01:57 |
| jacekowski | well, 1A was enough to boot it | 01:57 |
| ShadowJK | SmartQ has a chip that disconnects battery and switches system to run directly form PSU, and connects battery to charger chip and charger chip is connected to PSU.. so the PSU is powering the system directly, without battery for load balancing.. The charger chip can run entirely autonomously, because it's effectively only connected to the battery and in full control of what happens :) | 01:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | from battery | 01:57 |
| jacekowski | smartq? | 01:57 |
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| ShadowJK | chinese tablets | 01:57 |
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| jacekowski | and hmm, that the thing | 01:58 |
| jacekowski | system booted | 01:58 |
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| jacekowski | from power supply | 01:58 |
| jacekowski | with bsi disconnected | 01:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | is it a phone? if yes, how does it buffer above mentioned bursts? | 01:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | duh | 01:58 |
| ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer, it's not a phone, but it sometimes gets bundled with usb 2g/3g dongles | 01:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: err, please rephrase | 01:59 |
| jacekowski | i had phone connected to power supply | 01:59 |
| jacekowski | just positive and negative battery terminals | 01:59 |
| jacekowski | and BSI left N/C | 01:59 |
| luke-jr | does N900 support GSM | 01:59 |
| ShadowJK | luke-jr, yes | 01:59 |
| jacekowski | luke-jr: it's a tablet | 01:59 |
| luke-jr | err.. the audio codec I mean... | 01:59 |
| kerio | luke-jr: for data? | 02:00 |
| luke-jr | for SIP | 02:00 |
| kerio | oh | 02:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer | good q, no idea | 02:00 |
| luke-jr | XR | 02:00 |
| luke-jr | XD* | 02:00 |
| kerio | dunno vOv | 02:00 |
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| jacekowski | going back to bsi | 02:00 |
| luke-jr | I was having very very poor call quality the other day | 02:00 |
| luke-jr | with 3/3.5 G | 02:00 |
| jacekowski | i had bsi disconnected and working system | 02:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer | hmm | 02:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | strange | 02:01 |
| jacekowski | so bme detects that battery is gone in some other way | 02:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | bme stopped? | 02:01 |
| jacekowski | or | 02:01 |
| jacekowski | hmm, | 02:01 |
| jacekowski | maybe it compares bsi value | 02:01 |
| jacekowski | from startup to current one | 02:01 |
| ShadowJK | My N810 boots without bsi too, but makes angry bing through speakers and pops up a dialog saying Not Charging :) | 02:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | probably it detects bat gone only while charging | 02:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | as it'd be rather pointless when running from battery anyway :-P | 02:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | but that indicates BSI is no temperature sensor or anything (except if it shorts to 0R on overtemp) | 02:03 |
| * ShadowJK wonders if bq24150 retains settings down to 2.5V | 02:03 | |
| ShadowJK | maybe only battery removal kills fastcharge then | 02:03 |
| MohammadAG | jacekowski, you have a beagle don't you? | 02:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: I'd say yes, but lemme check | 02:04 |
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| jacekowski | i have giant schnauzer | 02:04 |
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| MohammadAG | beagleboard lol | 02:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: my idea of that is: you can not set anything in bq24150 registers that will survive a main system down, as watchdog is started on any I2C activity and expiring makes the chip do full reset | 02:05 |
| ShadowJK | bme has a habbit of putting it in charger disable, high z mode | 02:06 |
| luke-jr | I wish the battery log thing worked better | 02:07 |
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| jacekowski | bme have some other nasty habits as well | 02:07 |
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| jacekowski | MohammadAG: yeah, i have a beagleboardf | 02:09 |
| MohammadAG | jacekowski, is it worth it, need to dump scratchbox for native ARM compilation | 02:09 |
| ShadowJK | luke-jr, batterygraph? | 02:09 |
| MohammadAG | it seems to be the only option | 02:09 |
| ShadowJK | luke-jr, battery-eye? | 02:09 |
| MohammadAG | plus it has a few neat extras | 02:09 |
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| jacekowski | it's slow | 02:09 |
| jacekowski | too slow for compilation | 02:10 |
| MohammadAG | even the mX? | 02:10 |
| luke-jr | ShadowJK: -eye | 02:10 |
| jacekowski | chromium compilation would take ages | 02:10 |
| luke-jr | ShadowJK: it only updates visibly when the charge/discharge rate changes | 02:10 |
| jacekowski | i suppose qemu on fast computer would be faster | 02:10 |
| luke-jr | jacekowski: just distcc | 02:10 |
| ShadowJK | luke-jr, I didn't know it calculated rates :) | 02:11 |
| jacekowski | nvidia tegra | 02:11 |
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| ShadowJK | But generally, when display is off system isn't updating the charge meter very often. Perhaps once every two hours. Only reliable way of getting a vaguely recent value is to have battery icon out of view, and then switch to desktop or something so that it becomes visible on the status area/systray again | 02:13 |
| ShadowJK | this applies to the maemo charge meter only, of course | 02:13 |
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| ham5 | netmon gives pretty good realtime battery stats | 02:14 |
| luke-jr | ShadowJK: it moves the right side, but doesn't draw a line until I turn off charge or turn on charge | 02:14 |
| ShadowJK | Oh I guess plugging and unplugging charge also updates :) | 02:15 |
| ShadowJK | (and if you accidentally trigger updates after charging, you can sometimes see the meter climbing several minutes after end of charge) | 02:16 |
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| ShadowJK | ham5: netmon? eh | 02:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | damn net outage | 02:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: netmon, great cmt diagnose tool | 02:17 |
| ShadowJK | we can and know how to access the hw fuel gauge chip anyway, which updates most of its ~two dozen registers every 5 secs or better | 02:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | maybe really reads bat voltage from modem | 02:17 |
| FIQ | + | 02:17 |
| ShadowJK | I didn't know we had netmon on n900 | 02:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer | since a week or two | 02:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer | even hildonized | 02:18 |
| ShadowJK | leaked or nokia? | 02:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | no real netmon | 02:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | just the standard thing | 02:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | via cellmo | 02:19 |
| ShadowJK | standard thing? | 02:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | cellid, dBm | 02:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | MNC | 02:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | such things | 02:19 |
| ShadowJK | no neughbour cells? | 02:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | nope :-( | 02:20 |
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| kerio | it fails on GSM for me :( | 02:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | wfm | 02:21 |
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| kerio | that's why i said "for me" | 02:21 |
| ShadowJK | So except for battery readings from cellmo side, there's no new info? | 02:22 |
| ShadowJK | No 3g timers? | 02:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | nope | 02:22 |
| trumee | luke-jr: it support g729 | 02:22 |
| luke-jr | trumee: nothing else does | 02:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | no T3212, no C1/C2, no neighbours | 02:23 |
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| trumee | luke-jr: hmm. my asterisk does. i have bought a license :) | 02:23 |
| luke-jr | trumee: I don't use proprietary software. | 02:23 |
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| trumee | luke-jr: there is a free implementation of g729. not sure whether it will be legal in your country | 02:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | k, back to bq24150 sysfs driver specs... | 02:24 |
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| trumee | luke-jr: although g729 does eat up more cpu compared to pcmu/pcma on N900 | 02:24 |
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| trumee | luke-jr: http://groups.google.com/group/asterisk-g729 | 02:26 |
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| peter40 | any of you ever tried hacking one of those Nokia headsets you get with their phones?. They have a mic as well as an earphone and a small remote to play/skip tracks?..I want to know what happens when I press a button to play/skip track..what signal pases into the 3.5mm jack | 02:39 |
| kerio | i think it's standard | 02:40 |
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| SpeedEvil | http://pastebin.ca/1902110 peter40 | 02:42 |
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| anndy_ | hi everyone | 02:44 |
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| MohammadAG | do freenode's servers run on iPhone 4s? | 03:09 |
| MohammadAG | sorry, couldn't resist | 03:09 |
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| TermanaN900 | good morning | 03:13 |
| pigeon | iphone4 freenode servers, now with free case! ;) | 03:14 |
| arachnist | MohammadAG: i guess someone death-gripped them | 03:14 |
| MohammadAG | xD | 03:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer | (recover fast charge) same datasheet though tells explicitly >>(LOWV) the bq24150 resets all I2C registers with default values control through IC interface is lost (32 minute mode), the bq24150 resets all IC registers with default values and enable the charger with an input current limit dictated by the OTG pin voltage level until the host programs the I2C registers. During this period, the input current limit is 100 mA when the voltage | 03:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | level of OTG pin is low; while the input current limit is 500 mA when the voltage level of OTG pin is high.<< Default value for OTG_ENable is to ignore OTG pin nevertheless. The datasheet is faulty and probably the OTG_EN bit is just incorrect | 03:23 |
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| SpeedEvil | I'm confused. | 03:27 |
| SpeedEvil | Are we saying that the datasheet is wrong, and nokia is right | 03:27 |
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| SpeedEvil | Or that the datasheet is wrong, and poor nokia was mislead. | 03:28 |
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| SpeedEvil | And hello raster! | 03:28 |
| raster | MOOO! | 03:28 |
| raster | MUHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA | 03:28 |
| raster | i have internet! | 03:28 |
| raster | oooh poobum | 03:28 |
| Macer | er | 03:28 |
| raster | i suspect my router is hitting its limits | 03:28 |
| raster | i hate it when that happens | 03:29 |
| Macer | you have internet? | 03:29 |
| raster | i do | 03:29 |
| Macer | :) | 03:29 |
| raster | finally | 03:29 |
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| raster | just moved into home | 03:29 |
| raster | well neew apartment | 03:29 |
| Macer | were you in the middle of a jungle | 03:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: I'm saying that datasheet is ambiguous and has both diametral different statements | 03:29 |
| Macer | ah. ok | 03:29 |
| raster | Macer: almost. i was moving between countries | 03:29 |
| raster | :) | 03:29 |
| Macer | ouch | 03:29 |
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| raster | well | 03:29 |
| SpeedEvil | ah | 03:29 |
| raster | at least internet is decent | 03:29 |
| Macer | does the eu allow free flow of people? | 03:30 |
| SpeedEvil | Macer: yes | 03:30 |
| SpeedEvil | Macer: largely | 03:30 |
| raster | tho not as good as it should be | 03:30 |
| SpeedEvil | Macer: any citezen of the EU can live and work in any EU country - generally - with few exceptions. | 03:30 |
| Macer | ah ok. so a german can move to another eu country | 03:30 |
| SpeedEvil | yes | 03:30 |
| Macer | ah ok | 03:30 |
| Macer | was curious | 03:30 |
| raster | 89vs70m | 03:30 |
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| raster | Macer: if you are a memebr of the original eu nations - u have full freedom of movement | 03:31 |
| raster | as new members join | 03:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: I'd just claim a switched 1 vs 0 is a typo, while inserting the above quoted explanation by mistake is highly unlikely | 03:31 |
| raster | they "gain rights" over time | 03:31 |
| raster | so thier citizens at the start cant just move to any eu nation | 03:31 |
| Macer | oh ok. :) | 03:31 |
| raster | but older eu nations can freely move there | 03:31 |
| Macer | sounds fair | 03:32 |
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| raster | eventually this "period" ends | 03:32 |
| raster | and they have full freedom of movement | 03:32 |
| raster | its to stop things | 03:32 |
| raster | like romania joining | 03:32 |
| Macer | hahahaha | 03:32 |
| SpeedEvil | And all the romanians decamping to france. | 03:32 |
| Macer | no gypsies huh? | 03:32 |
| raster | then all the romanians running off to .de/.fr/.uk etc. to get better paying jobs | 03:32 |
| raster | and leaving romania empty | 03:32 |
| raster | ease the country in | 03:32 |
| raster | bring up their wages, standard of living closer to the eu average | 03:33 |
| raster | that is part of the idea behind allowing the "original members" free flow into the new states | 03:33 |
| raster | for them to bring their money, businesses etc. to help the new members | 03:33 |
| raster | etc. | 03:33 |
| Macer | damn. is romania that bad? :) | 03:33 |
| Macer | heh | 03:33 |
| raster | it's an example | 03:34 |
| raster | dont take it all literally | 03:34 |
| raster | :) | 03:34 |
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| Macer | sure sure ;) | 03:34 |
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| ShadowJK | the development and wealth creation has worked very well for some new members :) | 03:35 |
| Macer | im sure it has | 03:35 |
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| Macer | considering that new members are probably dirt poor ;) | 03:35 |
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| Macer | does england still use gbp or are they going to convert to euroes? | 03:36 |
| SpeedEvil | GBP | 03:36 |
| SpeedEvil | Euro is looking a bit shaky ATM | 03:36 |
| Macer | isnt the gbp too? ;) | 03:36 |
| SpeedEvil | There are no plans to switch to euro inthis parliament | 03:36 |
| Macer | heh | 03:37 |
| SpeedEvil | Macer: perhaps - but we don't have greece. | 03:37 |
| raster | heheheheh | 03:37 |
| Macer | hahahaha | 03:37 |
| Macer | cold blooded | 03:37 |
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| SpeedEvil | The current 'government' is dead against euro. | 03:37 |
| Macer | what was the greek labor logo? | 03:37 |
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| Macer | rather die standing than die working? | 03:37 |
| Macer | ah yes. the home of alexander the great. | 03:38 |
| Macer | if only he could see what he helped to create | 03:38 |
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| SpeedEvil | The 'west' is going to be screwed in large ways if we don't _rapidly_ reduce our imports. | 03:38 |
| SpeedEvil | Of both fuel and materials. | 03:39 |
| raster | living off fat | 03:39 |
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| Macer | gee SpeedEvil | 03:39 |
| SpeedEvil | As well as purchased goods. | 03:39 |
| Macer | just noticed? | 03:39 |
| Macer | :) | 03:39 |
| SpeedEvil | Naah | 03:39 |
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| raster | SpeedEvil: if it wasnt for the germans... europe would be in deep poo | 03:39 |
| SpeedEvil | been going on about this for a decade | 03:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | rethink infinite growth paradigm | 03:39 |
| Macer | DocScrutinizer: hahahaha | 03:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's perverted | 03:39 |
| SpeedEvil | China and india and ... are _rapidly_ going to upskill, and go upmarket | 03:39 |
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| ShadowJK | It'd be interesting if Germany & co break away to make "northern euro" currency along with other exporting euro countries | 03:40 |
| Macer | SpeedEvil: because they have cheap labor | 03:40 |
| SpeedEvil | If we're competing for them for nescessities at that time - heat and iron - we're screwed. | 03:40 |
| Macer | there is always the unforseen variable | 03:40 |
| Macer | such as a scientific breakthrough ;) | 03:41 |
| SpeedEvil | Why I've advocated the UK needs to build more nuclear plants - grow the electricity sector some 20*, and put _all_ oil into road transport, with all of the fixed loads on nuclear. | 03:41 |
| arachnist | http://www.flickr.com/photos/23301604@N07/4764273405/ | 03:41 |
| SpeedEvil | And massive energy efficiency programs. | 03:42 |
| raster | SpeedEvil: i'd say that's sensible | 03:42 |
| ShadowJK | I have doubleglazing! | 03:42 |
| ShadowJK | It was installed in 1870 :/ | 03:42 |
| raster | places like china, india and so on have massive govt projects to build infra. | 03:42 |
| ShadowJK | or thereabouts | 03:42 |
| SpeedEvil | If you give people 'free' 10 grand energy efficiency upgrades of their houses - it pays - as a country - in relatively short amounts of time. | 03:42 |
| raster | the west is just wallowing along | 03:42 |
| raster | patching up shit that stops working | 03:42 |
| raster | thats about it | 03:42 |
| SpeedEvil | As you need to import less fuel/oil - and your economy needs to work less hard to export stuff to pay for that oil | 03:43 |
| SpeedEvil | that sort of stuff | 03:43 |
| raster | if all of europe went nuclear - it'd end up a big win in 30 years | 03:43 |
| SpeedEvil | yeah | 03:43 |
| raster | the west has lived mostly off marginal efficiency gains | 03:43 |
| SpeedEvil | And outsourcing | 03:43 |
| ds3 | if all of europe went nuclear.... we'd have a huge sheet of glass :D | 03:43 |
| raster | china/india etc. can grow massive amounts as their current baseline is so low | 03:43 |
| raster | wventually they will face the same problem as the "developed world" | 03:44 |
| raster | but... they will have 10x the people | 03:44 |
| SpeedEvil | And at that point - the global economy gets 'level' | 03:44 |
| ShadowJK | I think natural resources will run out before that point :P | 03:44 |
| SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: Well... I'd call bullshit on that. | 03:44 |
| raster | SpeedEvil: south america, africa. | 03:44 |
| raster | dont forget them | 03:44 |
| raster | :) | 03:44 |
| raster | africa will be the last to get their arse into gear | 03:44 |
| raster | south america has big possibilities | 03:45 |
| raster | especially brazil | 03:45 |
| SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: You can't generalise from now past technology step-changes. | 03:45 |
| SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: For example - with not _too_ much sacrifice - I can have all my entertainment and computing needs met by something costing say 300 quid, and using 40W of power. | 03:46 |
| SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: If you were to try to predict how much energy that would consume based on its capabilities in 1940 - you just can't do it. | 03:46 |
| ShadowJK | Well, if only filling the needs was sufficient, but everyone is trying to keep up with the jones's, or however the expression goes :P | 03:47 |
| SpeedEvil | Sure. | 03:47 |
| SpeedEvil | But at some point stuff gets good enough that people don't care. | 03:47 |
| SpeedEvil | And that's the point you need to hit as a society to not have percieved depravation. | 03:48 |
| SpeedEvil | priv | 03:48 |
| SpeedEvil | There is also disruptive technology that does not use more power or materials to do something - but just does it differently. | 03:49 |
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| SpeedEvil | http://biteonit.com/2010/02/17/keeping-your-scouring-sponge-last-longer/ | 03:49 |
| SpeedEvil | err | 03:49 |
| SpeedEvil | http://www.skytran.net/phpsite/home/Home%20Intro.php | 03:49 |
| SpeedEvil | the former isn't very disruptive | 03:50 |
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| SpeedEvil | But the latter idea is basically ultralight 1 person monorail cars, running packet switched networks of people at high non-stop speeds. | 03:50 |
| SpeedEvil | With a dense network on lightpole-like structures | 03:51 |
| TermanaN900 | the first link is though. its disruptive to the scouring sponge industry | 03:51 |
| SpeedEvil | Well - yes. | 03:51 |
| TermanaN900 | shame on you | 03:51 |
| SpeedEvil | Though my habit of simply throwing them in the washing machine is too. | 03:51 |
| TermanaN900 | :p | 03:51 |
| SpeedEvil | Which works well for me. | 03:51 |
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| SpeedEvil | On anotehr topic. | 03:58 |
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| SpeedEvil | http://gadgetcrave.com/bullet-headphones-are-pretty-creepy/7529/ | 03:58 |
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| Macer | haha | 04:05 |
| Macer | gold plated? | 04:05 |
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| Arkenoi | they could make them solid gold for that price | 04:07 |
| SpeedEvil | I have considered making a pair of headphones with a gold lead | 04:08 |
| SpeedEvil | .05mm or so gold wire isn't that expensive and has the benefit that it does not undergo work-hardening and fracturing | 04:09 |
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| rdesfo | hello | 04:15 |
| rdesfo | is there a way to get a full version of perl in meamo? | 04:16 |
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| MohammadAG | rdesfo, apt-get install perl | 04:25 |
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| lcuk | SpeedEvil, disruptive tech alright - those damn sponges are evil | 04:42 |
| SpeedEvil | :) | 04:42 |
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| FireFly|n900 | Hi. How come nokia-maps doesn't open a new window if I manually call it with the san | 04:44 |
| FireFly|n900 | same parameters as specified in its desktop file* | 04:44 |
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| FireFly|n900 | ? | 04:44 |
| lcuk | FireFly|n900, not sure, what command line is it expecting | 04:46 |
| FireFly|n900 | Exec=/usr/bin/nokia-maps /usr/share/nokia-maps/html/index.html | 04:47 |
| FireFly|n900 | Actually, it seems to be fully made in JavaScript | 04:47 |
| FireFly|n900 | Which is what I find interesting | 04:47 |
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| lcuk | huh, cute FireFly|n900 - it thinks its running | 04:49 |
| FireFly|n900 | Hm? | 04:50 |
| FireFly|n900 | Hm | 04:50 |
| lcuk | FireFly|n900, try starting it with osso dbus doofer perhaps | 04:50 |
| lcuk | dont ask me how, its late i have toothache | 04:50 |
| FireFly|n900 | All right :) | 04:51 |
| FireFly|n900 | I should probably sleep anyway | 04:51 |
| FireFly|n900 | Nighty | 04:52 |
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| colliery_ | Hi | 05:01 |
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| yigal | Does sygic maps obtained through Ovi Shop have a package name? I want to remove it, but there's nothing I can apt-get remove. | 05:09 |
| MohammadAG | mobile-maps9 I think | 05:10 |
| MohammadAG | or similar | 05:10 |
| yigal | MohammadAG: of course, "mobile" should have searched, ty | 05:10 |
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| ShadowJK | apt-cache search sygic | 05:11 |
| ShadowJK | worked pretty good too | 05:11 |
| yigal | it's mobile-maps | 05:11 |
| yigal | ShadowJK: you're right, I fail :(, thanks for humouring me | 05:12 |
| yigal | sudo apt-get remove `apt-cache sygic`, so good | 05:12 |
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| yigal | oops, to be a bit more precise sudo apt-get remove: `apt-cache sygic | sed 's/ - *//g'` | 05:26 |
| yigal | - the : | 05:26 |
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| nextime | 'Morning :) | 08:37 |
| * jaem is planning to get one of these: http://processors.wiki.ti.com/images/8/89/EZ430-Chronos.png | 08:39 | |
| jaem | it's a devkit in a watch, with wireless, and all manner of fun! | 08:39 |
| * nextime is fighting with a custom pic based circuit with a won't working triac | 08:40 | |
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| jaem | :( | 08:45 |
| jaem | What sort of PIC? | 08:45 |
| Ken-Young | Word of Warning - I just received a notice on my N900 that there was an update available for Angry Birds. I foolishly installed it, and now I can't play the levels I purchased a few weeks ago. Only the free levels can be played after the update. | 08:47 |
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| jaem | Woohoo | 08:48 |
| jaem | :/ | 08:48 |
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| nextime | jaem: pic18f67j60 | 08:50 |
| nextime | anyway, i'm starting to think that it is a broken triac | 08:51 |
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| jaem | nextime, Is that the one with Ethernet capabilities, or am I misremembering? | 08:52 |
| jaem | It's been a while... | 08:52 |
| nextime | jaem : yep | 08:52 |
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| nextime | jaem : i'm developing a series of boards pic based with relays, triacs, rfid, and many other things | 08:52 |
| nextime | for an home automation system | 08:53 |
| nextime | and i don't use the common serial bus system | 08:53 |
| nextime | but all is ethernet based | 08:53 |
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| nextime | ( ethernet or wifi ) | 08:54 |
| nextime | now i'm working on the first "dimmer" prototype, with a triac to modulate the AC power, but the triac won't start | 08:55 |
| nextime | and i'm starting to think that i'm so unlucky today to have a boken (new) triac on the prototype | 08:56 |
| nextime | as the circuit seems to be correct at the oscilloscope, but i can't get any power in output on the high power line | 08:56 |
| nextime | anyway, i'm a bit OT here :) | 08:57 |
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| jaem | nextime, meh... when it's dead on the channel, people usually do get OT. If nobody cares, feel free. :) | 09:01 |
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| * RST38h moos evilly | 09:03 | |
| * jaem tips RST38h over | 09:04 | |
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| ilius | new ubkeyboard seems doesnt support persian | 09:27 |
| ilius | how to install older version? | 09:27 |
| RST38h | nextime: isn't it expensive to build an ethernet interface into each board? | 09:28 |
| ilius | *ukeyboard | 09:32 |
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| ilius | http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle/free/u/ukeyboard/ | 09:32 |
| ilius | what version supports persian/arabic? | 09:33 |
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| luke-jr | GCC 4.4 takes forever to build on 330 MHz ARM (OMAP2, N810) | 09:39 |
| kerio | so... symbian 4 | 09:41 |
| kerio | wtf, nokia | 09:41 |
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| RST38h | Symbian cannot be allowed to fail. | 09:47 |
| RST38h | Too many people are getting their salaries by working on it =) | 09:47 |
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| kerio | those people should really move to meego | 09:48 |
| kerio | ;) | 09:48 |
| luke-jr | kerio: MeeGo isn't a phone platform | 09:48 |
| luke-jr | Symbian is Nokia's phone platform | 09:48 |
| kerio | oh right, tablet | 09:49 |
| kerio | nvm then | 09:49 |
| kerio | :D | 09:49 |
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| RST38h | Meego is a mobile computer platform, hehehehe | 09:49 |
| kerio | symbian4 looks quite tablet-y to me though | 09:50 |
| RST38h | Well, they are trying to copy whatever Maemo/Meego is doing, to show that they are no worse | 09:50 |
| kerio | hey, wikipedia says that meego 1.1 will support aava and n900 with the handset ux | 09:52 |
| kerio | nice | 09:52 |
| RST38h | If wikipedia says so, it must be true... | 09:52 |
| * RST38h cackles | 09:52 | |
| kerio | hey now, don't destroy all my hopes | 09:52 |
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| Termana | ~flashing | 10:15 |
| infobot | somebody said flashing was http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 10:15 |
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| Termana | COMBINED flashing images don't contain the MMC image do they? | 10:34 |
| arachnist | http://wstaw.org/m/2010/07/17/20100717_001.jpg <| need some ice? | 10:34 |
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| MiXu- | where are the packet data counters in n900? | 10:47 |
| MiXu- | I'm roaming and I received a note about having used 10MB in the network | 10:49 |
| MiXu- | but can't find the counter | 10:49 |
| crashanddie | MiXu-: you need to install one, don't you? | 10:50 |
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| MiXu- | oh, ok | 10:50 |
| RST38h | 1 | 10:50 |
| MiXu- | will do, thanks :) | 10:50 |
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| petteri | there is always /proc/net/dev , but these counters reset only on reboot | 10:52 |
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| crashanddie | for crying out loud, the American media landscape is so bloody lame | 10:56 |
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| nextime | RST38h : no, it isn't expensive as common used home automation systems needs a mcu in every device, i add ethernet, yes, but i have 1 board every 12+12 devices :) | 11:00 |
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| nextime | RST38h: at the end i can build an home automation system with a lot of more features that the ones you can find today on the market at about 1/3 of the price | 11:02 |
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| nextime | the only bad side is that i need to have a structured data network cabling ( or to use wifi ) | 11:03 |
| crashanddie | nextime: what's the point, though? | 11:03 |
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| nextime | crashanddie : sorry it was an answer to a question RST38h ask me about 2 hours ago | 11:04 |
| nextime | :) | 11:04 |
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| crashanddie | nextime: if I understand it correctly, you're talking about domotics appliances (controlling your house with your computers) | 11:04 |
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| nextime | crashanddie : something like this, yes | 11:04 |
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| nextime | crashanddie : i'm working in developing some microchip PIC based boards for a domotic system | 11:05 |
| crashanddie | I mean, marketing has told me all about the green advantage, how it allows you to save power, have effective modeling of your house, and understand where you are losing power, and a friend of mine showed me how he played tetris with an old building, by lighting up rooms. But what's in between those, where's the benefit for me? | 11:05 |
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| nextime | crashanddie : there are a lot of other things to be considered, like, just for few examples, you can control your home from remote ( have you closed the methane before to exit? there are lighting in the sky, have you close all the windows? ), alarm integrated system, you can answer to the citophone from remote, you can auto-dimm some things if you are close to the power limit consumption, and also safety things for old people, or videosurveillance/cit | 11:09 |
| crashanddie | well, I can see how that can be interesting for a company, but hardly for consumers. | 11:10 |
| nextime | crashanddie : also, you can have a button for a light do more than one function ( double click, long click ), and move button function from one to another button when you want if you need to | 11:10 |
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| nextime | crashanddie : also, you can use your n900 amazin phone to open control all the functions of your home just from the web browser... | 11:11 |
| nextime | :D | 11:11 |
| timrw | i was able to ssh into my n900 from my machine running ubuntu lucid earlier,but now im unable to ping 192.168.2.15 | 11:11 |
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| timrw | i have done rootsh ifup usb0 on my device | 11:11 |
| timrw | and also sudo ifup usb0 on my pc | 11:11 |
| crashanddie | I mean, unless we start thinking differently about power consumption, even the best of devices won't make us more economical. And if you live in a rough neighbourhood, slapping gadgets to doors and windows isn't going to change anything; if anything, it's just jailbait. | 11:11 |
| timrw | any way to fix this ? | 11:12 |
| nextime | crashanddie : in my personal opinion, the "green" part is the less interesting | 11:12 |
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| nextime | as the way to be green isn't to reduce consume | 11:12 |
| nextime | but to get energy in a better way | 11:12 |
| nextime | of course this is my personal opinion | 11:12 |
| crashanddie | nextime: and with regards to forgetting the gas (by the way, no-one uses methane for heating/cooking), well, that's not a very interesting argument. I've lived in at least 5 houses where we used gas, and we always invested in devices that didn't need to be turned off for risk of leakage rather than having to look after it constantlu | 11:13 |
| arachnist | timrw: i was never able to ping my n900 over usb0 or obtain/serve dhcp over that link, but normal tcp connections were fine | 11:13 |
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| nextime | crashanddie : here everyone use methane for heating/cooking | 11:13 |
| crashanddie | nextime: oh, indeed, my bad | 11:14 |
| nextime | crashanddie : and even if you have good and safe gas device | 11:14 |
| nextime | it is better to close the primary gas switch if you go out for days, as there are conducture that can have lose of gas | 11:15 |
| odin_ | yes nextime, invent a reactor that can suck CO2 and Water and make combustible hydro-carbons | 11:15 |
| nextime | odin_ : it isn't needed | 11:15 |
| crashanddie | nextime: I remain unconvinced, but appreciate your enthusiasm | 11:15 |
| nextime | odin_ : my house is 0 emission | 11:15 |
| nextime | but i consume a LOT of energy | 11:15 |
| crashanddie | so you've got solar pannels and windmills all over the place? | 11:16 |
| odin_ | nextime, well I suppose it depends what you classify as an emission! | 11:16 |
| crashanddie | odin_: he never farts :D | 11:16 |
| nextime | odin_ : i have ~ 9KW of power with solar panels on the roof, and geothermic system for hot water | 11:16 |
| odin_ | nextime, loud music and strange smells might count, ha ha | 11:16 |
| nextime | so, all the energy i use at home is "green" | 11:16 |
| crashanddie | nextime: why not use endothermic panels for water heating, too? | 11:17 |
| nextime | crashanddie : i don't know what endothermic panels are | 11:17 |
| nextime | crashanddie : they are solar thermic panels? | 11:17 |
| crashanddie | yes | 11:17 |
| odin_ | nextime, green means that your net chemical change is zero sum, if its not then you are consuming and producing something, even if those somethings are better than what everyone else is doing, but good luck to your "green living" | 11:17 |
| nextime | crashanddie : cause i don't have more space on the roof | 11:17 |
| nextime | :) | 11:17 |
| crashanddie | shame | 11:17 |
| nextime | and cause geothermic work even on the night / in winter | 11:18 |
| crashanddie | nextime: endothermic panels have a much better yield than anything photovoltaic at the moment | 11:18 |
| nextime | so, it is more efficace | 11:18 |
| nextime | crashanddie : yes, but for elecrticity i don't have an alternative to photovoltaic, for hot water i can use geothermic | 11:18 |
| crashanddie | where do you live? | 11:18 |
| nextime | crashanddie : north italy | 11:19 |
| odin_ | nextime, how much snow do you get in north italy ? are in you in the alps ? | 11:19 |
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| nextime | odin_ : close to the alps, about 40cm every winter | 11:19 |
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| nextime | -4/-8 degrees in winter, +32 in summer | 11:20 |
| crashanddie | nextime: how many square meters of panels do you have on your house? | 11:20 |
| nextime | crashanddie : 120mq | 11:20 |
| crashanddie | how much did you invest? | 11:20 |
| crashanddie | pics? | 11:20 |
| nextime | crashanddie : about 60000euro for photovoltaic, about 34000 euro for geothermic | 11:21 |
| crashanddie | lmao | 11:21 |
| crashanddie | 100 grand of power production? | 11:21 |
| nextime | crashanddie : not yet online, but i will put a lot of photos soon | 11:21 |
| crashanddie | I call BS | 11:21 |
| crashanddie | You have to be an idiot to put that much money into 1 house. | 11:21 |
| nextime | crashanddie : we have economic convenience, i've invested 60000 euro for photovoltaic, but the governament assure me to pay about 120000 euros in 20 years cause i have those things | 11:22 |
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| crashanddie | (especially considering that 100 grand of power is an outragous amount of power). So you won't have a positive carbon footprint for the next 300 years. | 11:22 |
| nextime | crashanddie : cause of incenptive for kioto agreement | 11:22 |
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| crashanddie | anyway, 'later | 11:23 |
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| nextime | crashanddie : for the thrut, i don't pay anything, a bank give me all the money and i pay the bank with the first 10 years of incemptive, the latest 10 years i get money for me from the state | 11:24 |
| nextime | :D | 11:24 |
| nextime | ok, time to go out, i need to wash my car | 11:24 |
| nextime | bye | 11:24 |
| odin_ | well I wish such green energy worked higher up in the alps just above 1500m nr Gyron Swisserland | 11:24 |
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| jacekowski | well, a lot can change and government can decide to don't give you anything | 11:26 |
| jacekowski | and you will be left with a credit | 11:26 |
| odin_ | yeah I see that risk too | 11:27 |
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| smhar | using N909, I am connected to my home network using wifi, but I can not ssh to any computer | 11:34 |
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| jacekowski | what's the make and model of your router? | 11:34 |
| smhar | it is a tilgin. | 11:36 |
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| dr34m | smhar try pinging your router and while it does the ping requests try ssh .. works for me because the connection is idle otherwise | 11:38 |
| ilius | i have modified /etc/fstab on my N900, but every time it boots up, my changes on fstab will be discard!! | 11:39 |
| ilius | it seems that it is autogenerated when booting | 11:39 |
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| ilius | but not too smarty! | 11:40 |
| ilius | it does not detect format for internal memory and assumes vfat | 11:41 |
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| timrw | im unable to ping 192.168.2.15 from my machine running ubuntu lucid | 12:12 |
| timrw | i can ping 192.168.2.14 from an x-term on my phone | 12:12 |
| timrw | any way to resolve this ? | 12:12 |
| timrw | i was able to ping my phone earlier | 12:13 |
| timrw | for some reason its not working now | 12:13 |
| timrw | what could be the problem ? | 12:13 |
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| odin_ | so is the problem on the Maemo side or host side? | 12:16 |
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| odin_ | althought this is not a host or ubuntu support channel, maybe if you could explain what is on what IP | 12:16 |
| odin_ | and what pings work and what pings dont | 12:16 |
| timrw | 192.168.2.15 is the phone and 192.168.2.14 is the pc | 12:16 |
| timrw | im able to ping 192.168.2.14 from my phone | 12:17 |
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| timrw | but not the other way round | 12:17 |
| odin_ | and there is only a switch between them ? or a wlan or a router ? does the router firewall the wlan in anyway ? | 12:17 |
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| timrw | they are connected by a usb cable | 12:17 |
| timrw | i have done rootsh ifup usb0 on the phone | 12:18 |
| timrw | and sudo ifup usb0 on my pc | 12:18 |
| crashanddie | odin_: it's usbnet, no routing | 12:18 |
| odin_ | for example commercial routers such as cisco would assign wlan a lower security status, which means you can't by default originate packets from a lower security interface (ie. the WLAN) to send to the higher security interface (the LAN) without a firewall rule to allow it | 12:18 |
| crashanddie | timrw: just reboot the phone | 12:18 |
| crashanddie | timrw: then do a ifup usb0 again | 12:18 |
| timrw | crashanddie: k,ill try that | 12:18 |
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| odin_ | does your Ubuntu connect directly to the internet and provide NAT for a LAN ? | 12:20 |
| timrw | i rebooted, and did rootsh ifup usb0 again, but still unable to ping 192.168.2.15 from my pc | 12:22 |
| timrw | if i do ifconfig on the phone,it shows usb0 as the interface | 12:22 |
| odin_ | do you have any firewall rules on PC host in place ? "iptables -L -nv" and "iptables -t nat -L -nv" will list | 12:22 |
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| odin_ | maybe you need a generic "-i usb+" and/or "-o usb+" rule to pass data | 12:24 |
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| timrw | odin_: there is no firewall, as it was all working earlier, i was able to ping and also ssh into my phone | 12:24 |
| timrw | my /etc/network/interfaces file : http://pastie.org/1048381 | 12:24 |
| timrw | that is on my pc | 12:24 |
| odin_ | thats a ubuntu config, no idea what it should look like myself | 12:25 |
| MohammadAG51 | crashanddie, any news on neopwn? | 12:25 |
| timrw | i had followed the steps given on http://wiki.maemo.org/PyMaemo/QuickStartGuide#Enabling_USB_networking | 12:25 |
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| timrw | to enable usb networking | 12:25 |
| MohammadAG51 | ~usbnetworking | 12:26 |
| MohammadAG51 | infobot, screw you | 12:26 |
| timrw | and it was working..but today morning i checked, i was unable to ping the phone | 12:26 |
| * infobot asks you to bend over | 12:26 | |
| MohammadAG51 | o_O | 12:26 |
| crashanddie | MohammadAG51: nope | 12:26 |
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| MohammadAG51 | crashanddie, hmm, vaporware? | 12:27 |
| crashanddie | starting to look like it | 12:27 |
| MohammadAG51 | timrw, http://wiki.maemo.org/USB_networking | 12:27 |
| crashanddie | though sometimes I do have headers coming back from the website | 12:27 |
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| MohammadAG51 | i get the title too | 12:27 |
| crashanddie | so I dunno | 12:27 |
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| timrw | MohammadAG51: i had followed those steps earlier and it was working | 12:28 |
| timrw | MohammadAG51: i had configured my /etc/network/interfaces file as given on that page | 12:29 |
| timrw | anything else that can be done ? | 12:29 |
| MohammadAG51 | not sure, ISP using 192.168.2.15 so i can't test | 12:29 |
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| timrw | 192.168.2.15 is the ip of the usb interface on my phone | 12:30 |
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| MohammadAG51 | yeah, that's why it'd conflict | 12:32 |
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| konttori | DocScrutinizer: I made a blog after creating a successful demo of the python web server + qt quick app case. http://konttoristhoughts.blogspot.com/2010/07/qml-photoviewer-demo-on-n900-with-data.html | 12:33 |
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| crashanddie | isn't a web server in python piss easy? | 12:34 |
| timrw | MohammadAG51: ifconfig on my pc : http://pastie.org/1048385 | 12:34 |
| kerio | re:100k is too much for a house - er... why? | 12:34 |
| kerio | crashanddie: python -c "import SimpleHTTPServer as s; s.test()" | 12:35 |
| timrw | MohammadAG51: any conflict ? | 12:35 |
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| crashanddie | kerio: investing 100k worth of energy in a house? You can power said house for 300 years. And I doubt the equipment will last that long | 12:36 |
| kerio | yeah, but where that energy comes from? | 12:36 |
| crashanddie | who cares? | 12:36 |
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| kerio | apparently, some people *do* | 12:37 |
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| crashanddie | I'm sorry, but the carbon footprint of building 100 grand worth of energy equipment is a lot worse than using the infrastructure that's already there | 12:37 |
| crashanddie | and especially italy, where nuclear power isn't unknown | 12:37 |
| crashanddie | (and even more so northern italy, that has direct pipes coming from france) | 12:38 |
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| Venemo | hey everyone! | 12:39 |
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| Venemo | D-Iivil_Work: are you here? | 12:39 |
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| crashanddie | kerio: in other words: all the fake green idiots can kiss my white hairy ass. If you're going to be green, at least be logical about it. But allegedly blasting 100k worth of equipment for one single house is just plain stupid, obnoxious and ridiculous -- and against everything green, if I might add. | 12:40 |
| konttori | crashanddie: yeah, it's piss easy. Which is why I did it. Binding it to tracker is also piss easy. Putting it to create atom feed from tracker contents is also easy. I don't have time for difficult problems. | 12:41 |
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| crashanddie | konttori: sure | 12:41 |
| crashanddie | kerio: the guy was talking about domotics, then said he didn't care about the green benefits, and then started gloating about his green house | 12:42 |
| crashanddie | first he says he wants to create the cheapest alternative around, but then says he blasted 100k on it? Wait, what? | 12:42 |
| crashanddie | If you blast 100k on solar panels, you don't really care about buying 10 $80 adapters, or paying $40 for them. | 12:42 |
| kerio | it's... his house | 12:43 |
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| kerio | 100k is not that much | 12:43 |
| crashanddie | no it's not, he's a liar and a twat | 12:43 |
| kerio | and the state will pay for it, for the most part | 12:44 |
| crashanddie | yeah, so the other people are | 12:44 |
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| crashanddie | so I say fuck that | 12:44 |
| crashanddie | anyway, I'm done with this discussion | 12:44 |
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| crashanddie | kerio: France is going to vote its budget reform where they are pulling out of all the eco-friendly green funds and grants. | 12:45 |
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| crashanddie | which effectively means the trippling of the cost of a solar panel | 12:45 |
| crashanddie | it won't be tax deductible anymore, it'll be like buying anything else | 12:46 |
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| kerio | too bad for them? | 12:46 |
| crashanddie | well, I live there ;) | 12:46 |
| crashanddie | it also means that the solar industry will die pretty rapidly over here | 12:46 |
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| crashanddie | it just goes to show how important the government thinks it is | 12:47 |
| kerio | well, the government is always right, isn't it | 12:48 |
| crashanddie | far from it, but this is one of the few sane decisions they've made in the past 20 years | 12:48 |
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| crashanddie | anyway, going to the beach | 12:49 |
| crashanddie | 'later | 12:49 |
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| konttori | https://garage.maemo.org/frs/download.php/8515/nuvofre_1.10_all.deb new versio of nuvofre in case somebody is interested. | 13:01 |
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| kerio | nuvofre? | 13:02 |
| konttori | theme | 13:03 |
| konttori | blog post with screenshots now here http://konttoristhoughts.blogspot.com/2010/07/nuvofre-110.html | 13:04 |
| konttori | after switching to the theme, you need to restart device to get font colors right | 13:05 |
| kerio | that's a nice theme | 13:05 |
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| konttori | kerio: thanks | 13:13 |
| kerio | is there a way to disable the opening of the camera when you open the... camera? | 13:15 |
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| MohammadAG | kerio, yeah, break it | 13:19 |
| MohammadAG | worksforme | 13:19 |
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| ilius | kerio: thats my question too! | 13:32 |
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| ilius | kerio: for example when opening the camera cover to user flashlight (not to user camera!) | 13:33 |
| ilius | *to use | 13:33 |
| TermanaN900 | use the not user :P | 13:34 |
| TermanaN900 | nevermind, i was too slow | 13:35 |
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| flux | or, when opening the camera for using with some other application than the builtin camera app.. | 13:37 |
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| Zucca | Hi. Does there exists any program/app for Meamo5/N900 to preload maps? Looks like there is a some sort of cache in ~/.maps. So any nice way to manage that cache? | 13:40 |
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| asj_ | Zucca: yes you can preload maps | 13:46 |
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| Zucca | ilius: I think it should be like, you should be able to apply flashlight from menu, then if you open the camera lens cover it wouldn't laung camera app but flashlight app instead. | 13:46 |
| Zucca | *launch | 13:46 |
| Zucca | asj_: How? Except just browsing maps with map app... | 13:47 |
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| asj_ | Zucca: google it, shoujld pop up right at the top | 13:47 |
| ilius | Zucca: i cant find flashlight in the app list | 13:48 |
| ilius | Zucca: and when the cover is close, the flashlight option does not exist in battery/clock menu | 13:49 |
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| Zucca | ilius: Hm then you have the different app than what I have. But anyways: What I meant is that it should work that way but it does not at he moment. I hope someone will update flashlight app to work that way. :) | 13:50 |
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| Zucca | Ah. So you have the same app. | 13:50 |
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| Zucca | Basically there shoud be a button in the menu that would change the app that will be launched on cover open. | 13:51 |
| Zucca | Change from camera app to flashlight app in this case. | 13:52 |
| MohammadAG | cool http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=58631 | 13:52 |
| ilius | Zucca: i installed package "flashlight" from application manager, but did not added to the "More" in applications | 13:52 |
| MohammadAG | ilius, it goes into the status bar, open camera lens, close cam app, open status bar and you'll find it | 13:52 |
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| ilius | MohammadAG: yes i do the same, but there should be an option that not to open camera when i open lens | 13:54 |
| Zucca | MohammadAG: That's the way i work now. What we would like to see is the flashlight button apper in menu even if the cover is closed. Then if you have already pressed the flashlight button it would lauch flashlight app instead of camera app. | 13:54 |
| Zucca | *it works | 13:54 |
| MohammadAG | well my camera doesn't start so I'm not too bothered about it :P | 13:54 |
| truccc | test | 13:54 |
| Zucca | MohammadAG: :D | 13:55 |
| ilius | MohammadAG: but how? is there an option? | 13:55 |
| ilius | MohammadAG: :-D | 13:55 |
| MohammadAG | no, it says audio in use by another application if I try to start it | 13:55 |
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| MohammadAG | a reflash would fix it, but... cba | 13:55 |
| ilius | MohammadAG: lol | 13:55 |
| MohammadAG | too many mods to / to do it | 13:56 |
| ilius | MohammadAG: tow problems fix together | 13:56 |
| ilius | *two | 13:56 |
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| MohammadAG | well, I'd have to restore mce, transitions (or what I left of those), boot menu entries for ubuntu, kernels, /root files, and worst of all, apps | 13:57 |
| MohammadAG | bbl | 13:57 |
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| Zucca | x0WvRmc That's nice. Although ctrl backspace does the same but it's not possible when keyboard is slided in. | 13:59 |
| Zucca | Oh man. Paste fail. | 13:59 |
| Zucca | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RuL-x0WvRmc There you go. | 13:59 |
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| kpel | hi guys. FYI it looks like the security certificate of bugs.maemo.org expired today. | 14:02 |
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| Zucca | Do you guys know what's the voltage range that N900 can accept when charging? | 14:07 |
| Stskeeps | x-fade, ^^ | 14:07 |
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| Zucca | I had a though one day to build a battery pack containing six AA batteries (two in parallel, three in series) that would produce 4,5 as output voltage... | 14:09 |
| Zucca | *thought | 14:09 |
| Zucca | Damn typos. | 14:10 |
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| kpel | Zucca: do you want the pack so that you cancharge the original battery? | 14:11 |
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| Zucca | kpel: Yes. Because changing N900 is pita and you'd have to turn off the device while changing it. | 14:12 |
| Zucca | +battery | 14:13 |
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| kpel | Zucca: will the battery pack have enough capacity to fill the N900 battery? | 14:14 |
| Zucca | kpel: Easily. | 14:14 |
| Zucca | At least 4000mAh. | 14:14 |
| Zucca | But minus the energy consumed on charging process. | 14:15 |
| Zucca | I just need to know what the voltage rande N900 accept the charging input. | 14:16 |
| kpel | interesting. i don't know about the voltage though. Perhaps you could try with 4V first? | 14:17 |
| Zucca | impossible. | 14:18 |
| Zucca | AA batteries have 1,5 voltage | 14:18 |
| Zucca | Combining those cannot archieve 4 volts. | 14:18 |
| Zucca | I've read that USB voltage is 4,5 to 5. | 14:18 |
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| Zucca | By the standard I mean. But I wonder if N900 has larger voltage range to accept. | 14:19 |
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| kpel | no idea. i only noticed that it takes much more time to charge the N900 from a USB port than from a charger connected to the mains | 14:22 |
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| kpel | the current is probably higher in the mains case, i don't know about the voltage. | 14:22 |
| Zucca | Chager can give 1.2A while standard USB can give 0.5A. | 14:22 |
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| Zucca | I've actually got alerts few times that USB port cannot give enough power for my N900 while I was doing someting with it (heavy apps running). | 14:24 |
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| RZ | How does one change language in Pdgin? | 14:31 |
| RZ | *Pidgin | 14:31 |
| RZ | Naturally on maemo platform. | 14:32 |
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| BCMM | i installed a thing that fits in a floppy disk slot and provides a usb port (and some card readers), and that port won't charge the n900 | 14:42 |
| BCMM | (which is stupid, because it really should just pass half of the USB header it connects to straight through to the port) | 14:42 |
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| BCMM | anybody used a car charger that doesn't constantly work itself loose? | 14:45 |
| kerio | Zucca: the voltage should be the USB one, but you need to short a couple of pins for the phone to accept the 1.1A, like the wallcharger | 14:45 |
| kerio | i'm not sure if you should do that, a pack of AA batteries being what it is, but still | 14:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Zucca: Vbus as of bq24150 charger chip: 4.0V..? other components ?..5.5V | 15:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Zucca: but Vbus needs to be >Vbat, so you'll need >4.3V to completely charge battery | 15:01 |
| Zucca | So it might so that when the batteries are about 50% full their voltage isn't enough anymore... :| | 15:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | Zucca: but what means >>Because changing N900 is pita and you'd have to turn off the device while changing it.<<?? You do not have to switch off N900 to charge | 15:03 |
| Zucca | To change the internal battery... | 15:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | ??? | 15:04 |
| Zucca | I explained it wrong :) | 15:04 |
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| Zucca | To change the N900 bateery you have to turn it off. Abd it's hard to open the back cover. | 15:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer | you mean to charge the BL-5J in external charger you have to remove it from device? that's self evident | 15:05 |
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| kerio | you don't need to turn it off actually :)a | 15:06 |
| kerio | er | 15:06 |
| kerio | :) | 15:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | you might be interested in my posting: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=740422#post740422 | 15:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | hit thanks button if you really are :-D | 15:07 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer: huh... i didn't switch off the cellmo | 15:11 |
| kerio | when i tried | 15:11 |
| kerio | with no battery | 15:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | kerio: modem does conume ~4..7mA while in standby, and an occasional up to >2A when cell handover, or T3212-timeout and re-registration happens | 15:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | so entirely up to your luck if it works or not | 15:13 |
| kerio | i see | 15:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | see prev posting of mine in same thread | 15:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer | kerio: of course also data transfer over GPRS will massively ramp up power consumption of modem | 15:15 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer: hmm... if you shut down the modem, can you suspend to ram and just use the backup battery? | 15:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | simply spoken you don't want modem to start transmit while no battery | 15:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | kerio: backup battery is for RTC only, it can't be used for ram keep alive | 15:16 |
| kerio | aw | 15:16 |
| kerio | :( | 15:16 |
| kerio | (is there a way to properly turn off wifi? or you can just ignore it as long as there's no autoconnect?) | 15:18 |
| RST38h | http://www.observer.com/2010/wall-street/new-doom | 15:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | but by method described in above linked thread you basically can power device over USB up to a consumed current of ~1200mA. That should even suffice for ~80% of modem TX events | 15:19 |
| * RST38h guesses those "Jump, motherfuckers!" posters at Wall Street are starting to make some effect | 15:19 | |
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| DocScrutinizer | kerio: though I also seen device 'die hard' on one of my experiments, really dramatic fade away of screen content and all :-P | 15:21 |
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| lcuk | morning #maemo \o | 15:29 |
| Rabidus | g mrn'n lcuk | 15:30 |
| RST38h | moo to you too | 15:30 |
| lcuk | heya RST38h \o Rabidus \o | 15:31 |
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| lcuk | RST38h, anything interesting today? | 15:37 |
| lcuk | is the weather still sweltering | 15:37 |
| RST38h | lcuk: same hellish weather | 15:38 |
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| RST38h | lcuk: just going through some news | 15:38 |
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| RST38h | Yea, I know that one can't believe anything FOX says but sometimes it does deliver: http://www.foxnews.com/world/2010/07/12/data-shows-pakistan-googling-pornographic-material/ | 15:39 |
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| ilius | how to copy part of the text in the x terminal | 15:45 |
| ilius | ? | 15:45 |
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| joga | select it? | 15:45 |
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| joga | (first press the arrow thingy) | 15:46 |
| joga | unless you're inside screen or such, that doesn't scroll with touch | 15:46 |
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| odin_ | in N900 you can mimic a mouse, by holding pen down off left side of screen, the while off screen, pen down, and drag onto screen and hold, a pointer will appear | 15:47 |
| joga | hmm, now that I tried it, I suppose the arrow appears only when the buffer is longer than one screenful, didn't notice that before | 15:47 |
| joga | otherwise it just starts selecting | 15:47 |
| joga | (which is nice) | 15:47 |
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| ilius | joga: oh thanks | 15:49 |
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| ilius | joga: is there also a shortcut for copy? | 15:50 |
| ilius | joga: Ctrl+C = cancel | 15:50 |
| MohammadAG51 | doubtful | 15:51 |
| MohammadAG51 | you could try ctrl shift c, but afaik that's for gnome-terminal | 15:51 |
| joga | nah doesn't work | 15:51 |
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| joga | tried it | 15:51 |
| joga | I guess there isn't by default | 15:51 |
| odin_ | there is a maemo wiki entry somewhere for shortcuts | 15:51 |
| joga | hmm...is there a way to simulate a middle mouse click? ;) | 15:52 |
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| zash | does select+middle click work? | 15:52 |
| joga | how do you middle click? | 15:52 |
| ilius | zash: connect a usb mouse?? | 15:52 |
| odin_ | right your left hand touch your nose and hold that touch, with the right hand click on the screen of the N900 | 15:52 |
| ilius | zash: :-D | 15:53 |
| odin_ | s/^right/with/ | 15:53 |
| odin_ | if you are left handed, be sure to setup your 3 button mouse preferences into left handed mode, so the middle button works correctly | 15:53 |
| alterego | Heh | 15:53 |
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| zash | ilius: bluetooth! | 15:54 |
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| odin_ | in update PR1.4.20200401 we hope to have mouse button 4 support, this require the assistance of another person to activate the gesture | 15:55 |
| joga | heh, how about this http://www.semicomplete.com/projects/xdotool/xdotool#mouse_commands | 15:55 |
| joga | or something similar | 15:55 |
| ilius | odin_: does not work! or i dont understand! | 15:55 |
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| joga | maybe you need to also hold your breath | 15:55 |
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| ilius | joga: :-D | 15:56 |
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| alterego | Are there any better dialers than wvdial? | 15:56 |
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| odin_ | on a more serious note... alterego what context do you use/need a failer with N900 (other than GSM/PPP support) ? | 15:57 |
| Venemo | hey guys | 15:57 |
| odin_ | s/failer/dialer/ | 15:57 |
| infobot | odin_ meant: on a more serious note... alterego what context do you use/need a dialer with N900 (other than GSM/PPP support) ? | 15:57 |
| alterego | odin_: I'm trying to tehter my ubuntu laptop via bluetooth | 15:58 |
| alterego | Ideally, I'd like it to integrate with network manager. | 15:58 |
| Venemo | is it just me, or the bugs.maemo.org site throws a certificate error for everyone? | 15:58 |
| alterego | But I don't know how to get rfcomm devices to show up as mobile broadband connections .. | 15:58 |
| odin_ | ^^^ freud slip up ? | 15:58 |
| odin_ | you want your phone to provide internet to your laptop ? | 15:59 |
| alterego | Yes, but via bluetooth | 15:59 |
| alterego | I've got DUN on the N900 and I've got the appropriate rfcomm device setup. | 15:59 |
| kerio | install Bluetooth DUN | 15:59 |
| kerio | oh | 15:59 |
| kerio | ok | 16:00 |
| alterego | I just need a dialer. | 16:00 |
| kerio | heh | 16:00 |
| alterego | This is all laptop side :P | 16:00 |
| kerio | wait, you don't have to dial | 16:00 |
| joga | I always read DUN as DUH :) | 16:00 |
| kerio | you need to enable data | 16:00 |
| alterego | Oh | 16:00 |
| kerio | :/ | 16:00 |
| alterego | Have you successfully done this then? | 16:00 |
| kerio | no | 16:00 |
| kerio | i'd just use mobile hotspot | 16:01 |
| kerio | wifi > bluetooth, speed-wise | 16:01 |
| alterego | Because I've always had to use a dialer like wvdial in the past with DUN ... | 16:01 |
| alterego | I know | 16:01 |
| odin_ | what sort of power / battery performance difference does BT/WLAN make ? | 16:01 |
| alterego | This is actually a test for me to setup something similar on my girlfriends laptop, and her N96 wont do wifi > internet | 16:02 |
| kerio | alterego: you can also use usb host networking | 16:02 |
| alterego | I know, that's how I'm talking to you now kerio :P | 16:02 |
| alterego | This is a specific requirement. | 16:02 |
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| alterego | I'm not asking how to get on the internet with my phone, I'm asking how to get on the internet with my phone via bluetooth in the nicest (most ubuntu) friendly way. | 16:03 |
| alterego | I just want to know if it's possible to integrate rfcomm DUN into network manager ... | 16:03 |
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| alterego | Think I might have found a solution ... | 16:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer | RST38h: have you figured how to disable that annoying blue-ind-LED activation in xchat? | 16:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer | RST38h: I installed new on PR1.2 device, copied over all the cnfig from .xchat2 from old device where xchat behaves, and I tried to switch off all faintly related sounding options in setup - no success :-( still fsckng blue indicator light on every highlight | 16:13 |
| SWFu | silly question here, how the hell do I type a pipe char on the n900? | 16:13 |
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| kpel | SwedeMike: shift and function key? | 16:14 |
| kpel | you will see a tble of characters popping up | 16:14 |
| alterego | SWFu: press the meta key and the sym key and it's in the vkb popup for extra characters | 16:14 |
| alterego | (meta == blue arrow) + (key above it with 'sym' written in blue) | 16:15 |
| alterego | sym for symbols :) | 16:15 |
| SWFu | Ah ha! many thanks! | 16:15 |
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| lcuk | does anyone know how big the inductive charging plates are | 16:17 |
| parim | hey guys whats the eaiest way to connect a apple wireless keyboard to a n900, i am a maemo 5 newbie and is having trouble doing it | 16:17 |
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| lcuk | parim, lucky you asked, im just putting batteries in mine now :p | 16:17 |
| lcuk | i havent tried since my n810 | 16:17 |
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| lcuk | ah | 16:18 |
| lcuk | i may have a problem | 16:18 |
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| lcuk | bollocks the battery holder coin twist opening is not opening o_O | 16:21 |
| lcuk | i just bent a coin trying :S | 16:21 |
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| * lcuk may have to plod back to apple store | 16:24 | |
| b-man | you bent the coin? LOL | 16:24 |
| lcuk | yeah b-man :S | 16:25 |
| lcuk | the coinslot is well and truly stuck | 16:25 |
| b-man | hmm | 16:25 |
| kerio | use a bigass screwdriver | 16:25 |
| lcuk | i dont have a big ass | 16:25 |
| lcuk | i used a coin and pair of pliers | 16:26 |
| lcuk | and the coin gaveway before the slot | 16:26 |
| lcuk | i think batteries corroded :( | 16:26 |
| parim | lcuk that is really sad | 16:28 |
| * SpeedEvil is thankfull he doesn't need an ass-screwdriver yet. | 16:28 | |
| * lcuk is too | 16:29 | |
| lcuk | that really screws up my day i needed it for something too | 16:29 |
| * lcuk gets wd40 and toolbox down | 16:29 | |
| parim | lcuk, there is no option called wireless keyboard on the n900, this its the closest thing that i found that would make it work http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=41845 | 16:30 |
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| SpeedEvil | Is this a metal keyb? | 16:30 |
| parim | SpeedEvil: metal ??? | 16:31 |
| SpeedEvil | I know apple make some metal keyboards | 16:32 |
| SpeedEvil | I was surprised that lcuk bent his wookie. | 16:33 |
| lcuk | SpeedEvil, alu yeah | 16:33 |
| SpeedEvil | Make damn sure you're trying to open it in the right way | 16:33 |
| SpeedEvil | I'd get the manual personally | 16:34 |
| SpeedEvil | BTDT | 16:34 |
| lcuk | i did the normal route first | 16:34 |
| lcuk | ie non power tool | 16:34 |
| parim | lcuk: you need to turn it anticlock wise | 16:34 |
| parim | to open | 16:34 |
| lcuk | SpeedEvil, theres compression dints on the foot, i think it has been squashed | 16:35 |
| lcuk | parim, lefty loosy i know | 16:35 |
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| parim | SpeedEvil: you mean even the keys are metal? | 16:35 |
| SpeedEvil | parim: dunno - I know the base is. | 16:36 |
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| Termana | lcuk, I suggest you get an electric drill and drill that mofu open. Better than going to the Apple store at least | 16:37 |
| lcuk | its alu frame with a metal of some sort screw cap on the battery case | 16:37 |
| lcuk | Termana, i might get a bumper for my keyboard tho | 16:37 |
| SpeedEvil | lcuk: When faced with this sort of problem, I reach for hotmelt | 16:37 |
| Termana | lcuk, :P | 16:37 |
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| SpeedEvil | lcuk: glue on a nice bit of metal that you can get a good grip on with mole-grips | 16:38 |
| lcuk | ill just pack it back up in its box and forget about it for today | 16:38 |
| SpeedEvil | A very thin film of hotmelt is actually reasonably strong in shear | 16:38 |
| SpeedEvil | fair enough | 16:38 |
| lcuk | and when i next goto trafford centre ill take it with me | 16:38 |
| * SpeedEvil sighs. | 16:38 | |
| SpeedEvil | I need to similarly open a container to get out a battery. | 16:39 |
| SpeedEvil | Though in this case, it's a Renault Laguna. | 16:39 |
| Termana | We were hoping you would rip the shit out of that thing and stick a video on youtube | 16:39 |
| Termana | No fun | 16:39 |
| SpeedEvil | (That's sat idle for a year, and the battery has died, and the bonnet release does not now work) | 16:39 |
| lcuk | :P my videos show creating new things not destroying old stuff | 16:39 |
| lcuk | i still now have problem of getting keyboard input into n900 in portrait mode | 16:40 |
| SpeedEvil | lcuk: you can pull the bottom half of the n900 off, and duct-tape it on in portrait mode. | 16:40 |
| SpeedEvil | Would be cool if that actually worked. | 16:41 |
| lcuk | and its for a code editor so i dont want to eat half the screen with a vkb | 16:41 |
| SpeedEvil | transparent keyb? | 16:41 |
| lcuk | could do but its not the intent | 16:41 |
| SpeedEvil | xstroke/ | 16:41 |
| lcuk | i like having a big window | 16:41 |
| SpeedEvil | I mean a transparent keyb overlaid over the code | 16:42 |
| lcuk | i know but that doesnt let me do what i want | 16:42 |
| lcuk | i cant kinetic and pan if theres keyboard buttons there | 16:42 |
| SpeedEvil | ah | 16:42 |
| SpeedEvil | and stroke recognising keyboards would be similar fail | 16:42 |
| lcuk | http://liqbase.net/20100626_003.mp4 the book reader effect i want to see code inside | 16:43 |
| SpeedEvil | Dasher would be I think the most thematically compatible for you. | 16:43 |
| SpeedEvil | Front-cam + eye-gaze recognition for 'user is looking at dasher area' | 16:43 |
| lcuk | not really, i used to use my n810 over vnc in portrait mode with keyboard | 16:43 |
| lcuk | so i know the orientation works, and now i can render fullscreen portraity stuff i wanted to do a bit more on the code editor side | 16:44 |
| SpeedEvil | I suppose you could get used to one thumb in portrait | 16:44 |
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| kpel | actually I knew a guy who was doing research in interfaces that use eye-tracking. very interesting stuff. | 16:44 |
| SpeedEvil | though you need L/R mode | 16:44 |
| lcuk | people keep offering me hats with leds on | 16:45 |
| SpeedEvil | lcuk: That's silly. | 16:45 |
| lcuk | ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjSrwpbxyAM ) | 16:45 |
| * SpeedEvil hands lcuk a hat with three tea-lights on. | 16:45 | |
| lcuk | not really SpeedEvil based on that ^ | 16:45 |
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| lcuk | tealights would pose a health and safety risk i believe :P | 16:45 |
| SpeedEvil | lcuk: yeah - the above is one app for centimetric accurate GPS | 16:46 |
| lcuk | SpeedEvil, i keep pondering better than cm accurate: http://liqbase.net/20100715_005.mp4 | 16:47 |
| lcuk | and it should really use the n900 that has gps and is shining light as base orientation for all other devices | 16:47 |
| lcuk | so yeah it would work :p | 16:47 |
| SpeedEvil | Needs better sensors. | 16:48 |
| SpeedEvil | yeah | 16:48 |
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| alterego | The N900 never ceases to amaze me. | 16:49 |
| lcuk | alterego, indeed | 16:50 |
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| GAN900 | alterego, ehehe. | 16:50 |
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| GAN900 | Nor me, but perhaps said with a different tone. *eg* | 16:51 |
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| lcuk | SpeedEvil, that liqmouse video is now uploaded http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cdVqdfFdL3Q | 17:03 |
| SpeedEvil | Damn. | 17:04 |
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| SpeedEvil | I should have taken a pic of the rat I caught the other dya | 17:04 |
| lcuk | o_O | 17:04 |
| SpeedEvil | Caught in a bowl, and humanely released. | 17:04 |
| SpeedEvil | (with a brick) | 17:04 |
| lcuk | SpeedEvil, http://www.armory.com/~moke/mouse.html | 17:05 |
| lcuk | older than most people on the internet but i was laughing my head off at it | 17:05 |
| SpeedEvil | :) | 17:06 |
| SpeedEvil | http://www.instructables.com/id/Mouse-Mouse!/ | 17:07 |
| SpeedEvil | Seen that/ | 17:07 |
| * GAN900 wishes MicroB wouldn't pretend it saw you click the link. | 17:07 | |
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| lcuk | lol | 17:08 |
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| alterego | Well, I just had my N900 tethered via USB and bluetooth to another machine. | 17:22 |
| alterego | :D | 17:22 |
| alterego | And the N900 had it's own connection still working. | 17:22 |
| pronto | kinky | 17:22 |
| alterego | I find that quite amazing, especially in this day and age when you have to pay more money for the ability to do something similar with an iPhone | 17:22 |
| pronto | i dont | 17:23 |
| pronto | non-informed customers, great advertising, extremely controlling company | 17:23 |
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| sp3000 | timeless_mbp: I had to tracker-processes --reset-hard yesterday :\ | 17:24 |
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| sp3000 | well, or, iow, "semi-blindly run a random command found on the intarwebs" | 17:25 |
| sp3000 | an external card's contents weren't getting indexed, except for new stuff | 17:26 |
| sp3000 | which is slightly suboptimal | 17:26 |
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| alterego | pronto Well, obviously that's Apple, but other companies don't have to adhere to their shit ... | 17:27 |
| alterego | For instance, I know AT&T are Apple's butt buddies, but why in gods name do Operators in my country (the UK) where they all have iPhones put up with that bs .. | 17:28 |
| pronto | but most customers dont know the differnce and will bbuy into that , hance more money for the company | 17:28 |
| alterego | Yeah, still, I don't like how providers are becoming Apple's b*tches | 17:29 |
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| tobis87 | hi, | 17:31 |
| tobis87 | is there a way to always let image-viewer sort by name? i tried to change /apps/osso/image-viewer/sort_type from 1 to 0 and 2, but that doesn't make a difference. | 17:31 |
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| * slonopotamus doesn't get that "tethering" word. where you got it from? | 17:36 | |
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| DocScrutinizer | ~dict tethering | 17:41 |
| infobot | Dictionary 'tethering' n. {Tethering}.] To confine, as an animal, with a long rope or chain, as for feeding within certain limits. [1913 Webster] And by a slender cord was tethered to a stone. --Wordsworth. [1913 Webster] | 17:41 |
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| MohammadAG | LOL | 17:42 |
| Shapeshifter | ~more | 17:45 |
| infobot | it has been said that more is Displays the contents of the named files, one screenful at a time. Syntax: more (file1) (file2) ...(fileN). Where file1 through fileN are the files to display. Example: more papers/history-final displays the file papers/history-final. | 17:45 |
| Shapeshifter | ... | 17:45 |
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| alterego | ~less | 17:47 |
| infobot | . URL: http://www.flash.net/~marknu/less/ or more | 17:47 |
| alterego | 404 ... | 17:47 |
| MohammadAG | ~404 | 17:48 |
| infobot | ERROR: 404 answer not found | 17:48 |
| MohammadAG | lol | 17:48 |
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| MohammadAG | lots of duplicate or someone deathgripped the freenode server | 17:48 |
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| MohammadAG | see the signal bars dropping? | 17:48 |
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| lcuk | \o crashanddie | 17:52 |
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| kerio | how do i make the camera-ui stfu on camera lid open | 17:52 |
| smhar | greetings | 17:52 |
| kerio | i use more the flashlight than the camers | 17:52 |
| kerio | camera | 17:52 |
| alterego | Heh | 17:52 |
| smhar | anyone tried gnumeric in N900 yet? | 17:52 |
| kerio | and... would the flashlight eventually destroy the flash? | 17:53 |
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| MohammadAG | kerio, make a daemon that would symlink the flashlight app to camera-ui when you open the lens | 17:54 |
| MohammadAG | and no, ask SpeedEvil | 17:54 |
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| kerio | SpeedEvil: *poke* | 17:54 |
| lcuk | X-Fade, ping http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=755028#post755028 | 17:54 |
| GAN900 | kerio, no. | 17:56 |
| GAN900 | kerio, unless your flashlight application ignores the warnings. | 17:56 |
| kerio | so the only danger would be to drain the battery? | 17:56 |
| kerio | oh | 17:56 |
| kerio | i use... hmm... | 17:56 |
| SpeedEvil | No - the flashlight LEDs ar enot at the flash intensity | 17:56 |
| GAN900 | It has a couple different settings | 17:56 |
| SpeedEvil | they are at 1/7th of peak current | 17:57 |
| SpeedEvil | which is specced as safe | 17:57 |
| SpeedEvil | I've also run them for 4 hours on battery | 17:57 |
| lcuk | and there is also overheat protections too afaik | 17:57 |
| GAN900 | The flashlight plugin I know of runs at the torch setting. | 17:57 |
| kerio | flashlight-applet | 17:57 |
| SpeedEvil | and observed no decrease in light output over 4 hours measured by a light meter | 17:57 |
| kerio | SpeedEvil: nice | 17:57 |
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| kerio | what if i want to blind a predator though? is there a way to set them to maximum? | 17:58 |
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| alterego | Heh | 17:59 |
| alterego | The driver will only allow flash bursts of full intensity | 17:59 |
| * RST38h will keep that in mind for the next time when he is alone in the forest at night | 17:59 | |
| alterego | I think the flashlight brightness is more than enough to scare the shit out of a peado though :P | 18:00 |
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| MohammadAG | I wonder if it can strobe... | 18:00 |
| RST38h | And rotate! | 18:00 |
| alterego | Probably, though more likely to reduce life expectancy. | 18:01 |
| kerio | not that kind of predator | 18:01 |
| kerio | and you need chris hansen to do that | 18:01 |
| Termana | maybe that an app idea. "Pedobear Catcher" | 18:01 |
| Termana | that's* | 18:01 |
| MohammadAG | alterego, Symbian devices can do it | 18:02 |
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| MohammadAG | it's fun if you want to annoy someone | 18:02 |
| GAN900 | kerio, a pistol would be more effective. :P | 18:02 |
| kerio | MohammadAG: apt-get install party-hard-applet | 18:02 |
| MohammadAG | you know, return the favor | 18:02 |
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| Termana | Too bad they aren't red and blue | 18:02 |
| GAN900 | . . . or maybe you could carry around a WinMob device to scare them away | 18:03 |
| Termana | Portable police light | 18:03 |
| RST38h | you can always attach little colored overlays... | 18:03 |
| lcuk | blue sweetie wrapper | 18:03 |
| GAN900 | Gels | 18:03 |
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| alterego | MohammadAG: annoy someone and cause them to hgave a seisure if they're epileptic | 18:04 |
| Termana | I could set it on my dash and yell "nee naw nee naw" out my window | 18:04 |
| Termana | :P | 18:04 |
| RST38h | alterego: That "if" makes the whole idea somewhat unreliable | 18:04 |
| lcuk | Termana, you can just play mp3 sound, transmit over radio to your car stereo | 18:04 |
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| alterego | That "if" also makes "The Game" more fun. | 18:05 |
| Termana | lcuk, even better, transmit it to THEIR radio. "This is the police, we've taken over your radio" | 18:05 |
| lcuk | oh you git | 18:05 |
| lcuk | i just lost the game \@/ | 18:05 |
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| kerio | Termana: yeah, that will work | 18:05 |
| alterego | :) | 18:05 |
| lcuk | Termana, o_O | 18:05 |
| kerio | although, if you install jacekowski's fmtxd... | 18:05 |
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| SpeedEvil | alterego: however - you can flash for 0.5s every 0.6s - this will burn out the LEDs | 18:06 |
| alterego | Yeah, I was saying it would probably kill the flash eventually. | 18:06 |
| kerio | SpeedEvil: some safe driver | 18:06 |
| kerio | :/ | 18:06 |
| alterego | Semi-safe driver then :P | 18:07 |
| RST38h | you can probably use the LEDs to transfer messages or software, wirelessly | 18:07 |
| alterego | That would be neat :) | 18:07 |
| alterego | I'm suprised no one has made a morse encoder/decoder app with the flash :D | 18:07 |
| lcuk | RST38h, sure but focusing on them from the other end would be more difficult | 18:07 |
| lcuk | unless you were using 2 completely fixed channels | 18:07 |
| RST38h | lcuk: let us say you have got a dark room full of N900 users and you are shooting them with the camera | 18:08 |
| kerio | i still can't believe that the IR port has no receiver :( | 18:08 |
| lcuk | in which case you would be better with a pair of woks and wifi | 18:08 |
| lcuk | RST38h, yeah sure i understand the concept | 18:08 |
| kerio | RST38h: shoot cameras at them | 18:08 |
| lcuk | its the detection i do with inverted ar :P | 18:08 |
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| lcuk | find bright spots and work with them | 18:08 |
| lcuk | problem is framerate | 18:09 |
| lcuk | 25 bits of info per second max per pixel | 18:09 |
| SpeedEvil | 26 | 18:10 |
| SpeedEvil | err | 18:11 |
| SpeedEvil | 50 | 18:11 |
| SpeedEvil | The white and red LEDs canbe flashed independantly | 18:11 |
| kerio | we have a red LED? | 18:11 |
| MohammadAG | doh | 18:11 |
| kerio | :o | 18:11 |
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| MohammadAG | how often do you take videos? | 18:11 |
| MohammadAG | lol | 18:11 |
| Termana | I'm not sure when Nokia were building the n900 they had any of THIS in mind :P | 18:11 |
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| lcuk | Termana, community always comes up with more ideas than originally intended | 18:12 |
| * RST38h has never taken a video with his n900 | 18:12 | |
| ShadowJK | kerio: calling it a "port" is a bit generous :) It's a hefty IR led you can turn on and off very fast :D | 18:12 |
| MohammadAG | SpeedEvil, hmm, on symbian you can flash it every 0.2s | 18:12 |
| MohammadAG | should be taken down from the ovi store | 18:12 |
| lcuk | ie: if god meant for linux controlled toasters he would have added a keyboard | 18:12 |
| MohammadAG | imp | 18:12 |
| MohammadAG | imo even | 18:12 |
| alterego | What's the command to show those desktop notifications on gnome? | 18:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | damn, lost the thread | 18:13 |
| MohammadAG | what thread? | 18:13 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer: you mean you lost the game | 18:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | flashing white LED? sounds fun | 18:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer | reading backscroll :-S | 18:14 |
| kerio | i never saw this red led btw | 18:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | [2010-07-17 17:11:44] <MohammadAG> how often do you take videos? | 18:14 |
| SpeedEvil | kerio: Take a video | 18:14 |
| kerio | ShadowJK: and that's perfectly fine for qtirreco :D | 18:15 |
| kerio | the range sucks though | 18:15 |
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| ShadowJK | Well if qtirreco could adjust modulation up/down a bit to hit the right frequency the range would probably improve | 18:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | kerio: check lirc driver frequency settings. Odds are the carrier freq doesn't match your appliance's RX module | 18:16 |
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| kerio | SpeedEvil: i just did | 18:16 |
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| DocScrutinizer | so you seen the red LED on the device the guy in the mirror was holding? | 18:17 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer: nope | 18:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | btw there's even a second red LED | 18:17 |
| lcuk | kerio, you have installed the applet doofer that stops it | 18:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | kerio: dude, your 'privacy' LED is broken :-o | 18:18 |
| MohammadAG | ever since that app pops up when you touch the proximity sensor it's been very annoying | 18:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | whut? | 18:19 |
| MohammadAG | lfocus | 18:19 |
| kerio | lcuk: flashlight-applet blocks the red led? what? why? | 18:20 |
| lcuk | kerio, i never said the flashlight-applet, i cant remember the name, but theres something to stop red light also | 18:21 |
| kerio | oh | 18:21 |
| kerio | i hope it's not broken... :/ | 18:21 |
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| lcuk | hey raster \o | 18:23 |
| Arkenoi | seems that qtirreco and irreco work with lirc backend quite different way | 18:23 |
| raster | lcuk: \(..)/ | 18:23 |
| Arkenoi | and what annyoys me most is lack of diagnostics | 18:23 |
| Arkenoi | sometimes one does work and another does not and vice versa | 18:23 |
| Arkenoi | and it is completely silent all the time | 18:24 |
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| lcuk | how fast does the IR pulse ? | 18:24 |
| MohammadAG | 38MHz iirc? | 18:24 |
| Termana | 100 lcuk's/s | 18:25 |
| * Termana is not helpful :P | 18:25 | |
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| lcuk | ok so even being able to see IR over the camera wouldnt help | 18:25 |
| MohammadAG | I could be (very) wrong though | 18:25 |
| MohammadAG | well, I'm sure it pulses faster than the cam can record | 18:26 |
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| SpeedEvil | Not quite. | 18:26 |
| SpeedEvil | The camera uses a technique called rolling shutter. | 18:26 |
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| SpeedEvil | If you want 1/100th of the nominal sensitivity, you reset a line 1/100th of a frame before you read it out | 18:27 |
| SpeedEvil | This means that a pulsing lightsource makes a 'zebra' pattern at 100*the framerate temporal resolution | 18:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer | lcuk: 32..46kHz | 18:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | usually 36 or 38 | 18:36 |
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| lcuk | DocScrutinizer, mmm | 18:37 |
| lcuk | Arkenoi, use another camera to confirm whether the device is pulsing correctly out of its IR | 18:37 |
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| DocScrutinizer | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consumer_IR#Technical_information | 18:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | lcuk: ^^^ | 18:38 |
| SpeedEvil | lcuk: or a mirror | 18:38 |
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| lcuk | SpeedEvil, ? would a mirror show visible ir? | 18:39 |
| kerio | well, why not? | 18:40 |
| lcuk | cos i cant see IR normally | 18:40 |
| SpeedEvil | No. | 18:40 |
| SpeedEvil | But thenormal camera can see IR | 18:40 |
| kerio | SpeedEvil: no IR filters on the n900? laaaaame | 18:40 |
| lcuk | zing! | 18:40 |
| SpeedEvil | and a conventional mirror will reflect near-IR quite well | 18:40 |
| lcuk | and the light comes on | 18:40 |
| * lcuk actually forgot about multitasking for a moment! | 18:40 | |
| SpeedEvil | kerio: there may be filters - but to get all of the light is practically impossible | 18:41 |
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| DocScrutinizer | 455 kHz carrier :-O | 18:42 |
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| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: the directed radiation of IR-LED isn't in axis of the main cam though :-/ | 18:43 |
| lcuk | its enough to see if its on | 18:44 |
| kerio | i blame the fact that the IR led of the n900 is not powerful enough | 18:44 |
| SpeedEvil | mirror | 18:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | and probably it's hard to make camera-ui continue recording, while you click on a button in qtirreco | 18:44 |
| lcuk | we need MORE POWER! | 18:44 |
| kerio | let's overclock the IR led! | 18:45 |
| kerio | :D | 18:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: not in axis means you need at least 2 mirrors | 18:45 |
| * lcuk calls tim the toolman taylor | 18:45 | |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: you need one bendy mirror | 18:45 |
| SpeedEvil | Or a powerful gravitational point-source. | 18:45 |
| lcuk | DocScrutinizer, you can do it with one to view enough | 18:45 |
| lcuk | yeah just fire the ir around the sun | 18:45 |
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| kerio | lcuk: see, we need more power | 18:45 |
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| lcuk | or a handy black hole | 18:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer | odds are the IR wavelength of the LED is wrong. If only we could get BOM from Nokia, so we knew what LED they actually used :-(( | 18:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer | with a prisma and a decent IR sensitive camera you could compare wavelength of N900 to that of your genuine remo | 18:52 |
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| SpeedEvil | Or a CD | 18:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | at least I can confirm it's not very near IR, as frequently found on e.g camera invisible lightup. I actually *see* these, while on N900 I don't see anything (though I *think* my left eyeball hurts a little now :-P ) | 18:54 |
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| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: CD? just to tell "it ruined the cyano"? | 18:55 |
| lcuk | DocScrutinizer, DO NOT LOOK INTO LASER WITH REMAINING EYE | 18:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | or what do you want to do with CD? | 18:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | damn, actually I did | 18:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | the laser hole is in my right eyeball | 18:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer | s/hole/blind spot | 18:57 |
| lcuk | DocScrutinizer, :( | 18:57 |
| lcuk | how powerful was it and how much do you regret that decision | 18:57 |
| SpeedEvil | CD is a diffraction grating | 18:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | reminds me to visit doctor evetually. Seems to start becomming a nuissance lately | 18:57 |
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| DocScrutinizer | after ~20 years | 18:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | 30? | 18:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: I see | 18:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: actually a very good one | 18:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | you just shouldn't use a CD-ROM them | 18:58 |
| kerio | good one what? i lost some messages | 18:58 |
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| SpeedEvil | Take a CD - arrange it so you're in a dark roomwith one CD-sized shaft of sunlight | 18:59 |
| SpeedEvil | reflect the sun off the CD | 18:59 |
| SpeedEvil | pretty radial rainbows. | 18:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | nice prisma | 18:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer | you would probably want to use a prisma nevertheless, as it is conveniently placed behind a paper with a slot, while CD is reflecting and thus a bit more complicated to set up the test bed on IR | 19:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer | hmpf, not exactly simple to find a good prisma | 19:04 |
| lcuk | heh SpeedEvil, you said shaft | 19:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | in my kitchen :-P | 19:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | lcuk: is that XXX and triggers autokick? | 19:05 |
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| kerio | there's autokick on profanity? | 19:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | /kick kerio | 19:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer | nope, on stupid questions :-P | 19:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | kerio: there's no autokick, just kidding | 19:09 |
| kerio | hmm | 19:09 |
| kerio | i don't believe you | 19:09 |
| kerio | COCK | 19:09 |
| *** ChanServ sets mode: +o DocScrutinizer | 19:09 | |
| DocScrutinizer | /kick kerio | 19:09 |
| kerio | i said *auto*kick | 19:09 |
| *** ChanServ sets mode: -o DocScrutinizer | 19:09 | |
| Stskeeps | what's the fucking deal | 19:09 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 19:09 |
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| kerio | hold on, this channel is logged right? | 19:09 |
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| DocScrutinizer | /topic | 19:10 |
| kerio | so all my messages are stored... | 19:10 |
| kerio | :/ | 19:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-P | 19:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | you'll have to hide in a cave till end of times | 19:10 |
| luke-jr | the autokick is for words like "overclock" etc | 19:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | /kick luke-jr | 19:11 |
| luke-jr | /stab DocScrutinizer | 19:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I actually have an autokick set up, but that's just for one guy | 19:12 |
| dr34m | i just received my new battery and the 900 works again | 19:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | and I'm HAPPY he's ending it | 19:12 |
| dr34m | \o/ thought already the phone is dead | 19:12 |
| luke-jr | dr34m: what phone? | 19:12 |
| Termana | dr34m, you couldn't just do emergency charging? | 19:13 |
| dr34m | the original n900 battery died | 19:13 |
| dr34m | nope i tried couldnt revive it | 19:13 |
| dr34m | no idea what happened one morning the thing was dead. with new battery its good now .. i got a cheap one tho for testing | 19:13 |
| dr34m | some 1900ma thingi | 19:13 |
| MohammadAG | <DocScrutinizer> I actually have an autokick set up, but that's just for one guy | 19:14 |
| MohammadAG | aww | 19:14 |
| MohammadAG | you shouldn't have | 19:14 |
| Termana | :P | 19:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: :-D | 19:14 |
| lcuk | DocScrutinizer, whos it setup for | 19:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I won't tell you as otherwise it bites me :-P | 19:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | read backscroll - you'll be able to figure | 19:15 |
| lcuk | nope | 19:17 |
| * Termana slaps ChanServ | 19:17 | |
| lcuk | i have no backscroll | 19:17 |
| Termana | <Termana> akick #maemo list | 19:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | then check for most uttered phrase by HtheB | 19:17 |
| Termana | -ChanServ- You are not authorized to perform this operation. | 19:17 |
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| Termana | :P | 19:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer | lcuk: for this particular backscroll the screen suffices | 19:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | [2010-07-17 18:12:30] <DocScrutinizer> and I'm HAPPY he's ending it | 19:18 |
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| MohammadAG | hmm | 19:18 |
| MohammadAG | nick starts with H ends with B? | 19:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | the nick is HtheB | 19:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/search?q=happy+ending | 19:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-P | 19:19 |
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| MohammadAG | yeah | 19:20 |
| MohammadAG | I know | 19:20 |
| MohammadAG | xD | 19:20 |
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| Termana | happy ending! | 19:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | /kick SER | 19:21 |
| Termana | :P | 19:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer | hmm, seems broken XP | 19:21 |
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| kerio | hey DocScrutinizer | 19:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | dr34m: could you do me a favour and *try* recover charging with original battery? | 19:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | dr34m: use original Nokia wallwart fastcharger. Insert battery. Do NOT try to power up device. Plug in to charger. Amber steady should show up. charge for 30min and observe. if after 30min amber vanishes, replug charger and do another charge cycle | 19:30 |
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| dr34m | i will iam still charging the new one ;) | 19:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | good plan :-D | 19:30 |
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| dr34m | i tried that before tho | 19:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer | dr34m: if recovery charging doesn't revive original battery for you, after some 3..5 cycles, then you could try hotswapping fron good to dead cell like http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=57734, and that when succeeding for sure should start normal charging of Nokia battery, after 'start bme' | 19:33 |
| luke-jr | how open is the front camera? | 19:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | but please try several recover charge cycles in series prior to that | 19:34 |
| luke-jr | could I be saving PNGs instead of JPGs? | 19:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | front? no idea | 19:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, it's V4L2, no? | 19:34 |
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| DocScrutinizer | for main camera openness refer to blessn900 | 19:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | seems they did some really wicked stuff | 19:35 |
| luke-jr | dunno :) | 19:36 |
| luke-jr | I mean the 5MP one | 19:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | ooh, that's rear aiui | 19:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | or main | 19:36 |
| luke-jr | hehe | 19:36 |
| luke-jr | I was just noting Wikipedia's long detailed article on Jpeg2000, and wondering why nobody actually uses it | 19:36 |
| luke-jr | then went to wondering why I'm not saving PNGs from N900 | 19:36 |
| luke-jr | XD | 19:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: ping SpeedEvil | 19:37 |
| lcuk | DocScrutinizer, blessn900 is closed source afaik? | 19:37 |
| * lcuk might be wrong | 19:37 | |
| DocScrutinizer | he seems to know a damn lot about cam and video/still | 19:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | lcuk: blessn900 *is* closed, but obviously they managed to get data about the cam module, to an extent where they were able to modify firmware drivers | 19:38 |
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| DocScrutinizer | "we found no other platform open enough to do this" | 19:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | blessn900.com | 19:39 |
| lcuk | we liek open source but we wont open our own stuff | 19:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah. can't blame them though. Claer case of IP | 19:40 |
| luke-jr | ... | 19:40 |
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| Kegetys | "BlessN900 implements unique SuperZoom technology, providing digital zoom quality close to one a generic optical zoom would provide" | 19:40 |
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| Kegetys | riight :P | 19:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer | they share the app for free, at least. :-) And tbh it performs 10^4 times inferior to genuine pr1.2 cam nightmode, on low light | 19:41 |
| lcuk | perhaps thats a translation problem, you just said it performs worse | 19:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes, extremely worse | 19:42 |
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| DocScrutinizer | was a mere joke | 19:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | just red and blue spots all over | 19:42 |
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| DocScrutinizer | 100% saturated pixels in red and blue, ~5% | 19:43 |
| lcuk | first pictures i ever took on n900 were at night in a dark club place | 19:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | on black background :-P | 19:43 |
| * lcuk still looks at them and smiles | 19:43 | |
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| DocScrutinizer | lcuk: wait ~4h till it gets dark here and I'll upload some shots to compare | 19:45 |
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| DocScrutinizer | if you're really interested | 19:46 |
| wolf^ | DocScrutinizer, http://team.pld-linux.org/~wolf/bless/ | 19:49 |
| wolf^ | 1 - normal, 2 - night mode, 3 - bless | 19:49 |
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| lcuk | thanks wolf^ | 19:52 |
| lcuk | my, the n900 default camera software is nice :) | 19:52 |
| pronto | wolf^: is that the blessn900 camera app? | 19:53 |
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| wolf^ | yes | 19:53 |
| pronto | that thing takes odd photos xD | 19:53 |
| MohammadAG | hmm | 19:54 |
| MohammadAG | the LEDs look sexy in ubuntu | 19:54 |
| MohammadAG | uploading vid | 19:54 |
| pronto | http://pronto185.com/n900/camera/Fire.8.07_16_2010.jpg << with blessn900 set to HDR lol | 19:54 |
| lcuk | someone else remarked on the camera stuff the other day, complimented on : http://liqbase.net/lads_we/20100710_023.jpg | 19:54 |
| ShadowJK | That bless photo looks like ImageMagick's -equalize or -normalize ... | 19:55 |
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| ShadowJK | uh, pronto you tried to hdr a fire? | 19:56 |
| lcuk | lol i have a few fire pictures too! | 19:56 |
| pronto | yeah | 19:56 |
| kerio | that doesn't really work | 19:56 |
| lcuk | taken from normal cam: http://liqbase.net/lads_we/20100710_029.jpg | 19:56 |
| pronto | http://pronto185.com/n900/camera/?MD << pretty much all those are taken with the n900 | 19:56 |
| lcuk | multicore marshmallow roasting! | 19:56 |
| pronto | http://pronto185.com/n900/camera/Fire.6.07_16_2010.jpg the camera makes purplefire! | 19:57 |
| kerio | pronto: you need a *static* object to photograph for one-camera HDR | 19:57 |
| pronto | kerio: i was just playing around with it lol | 19:57 |
| lcuk | kerie with fire it doesnt much matter | 19:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | wolf^: yep thanks | 19:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://share.ovi.com/album/joerg900.public | 19:58 |
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| ShadowJK | I have awesome fire video somewhere.. perfect ignition of a fire in my fireplace :) | 19:58 |
| luke-jr | I have a rainbow picture.. | 19:58 |
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| lcuk | i have a picture of the most refined act of British snobbery ever! | 19:59 |
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| lcuk | a goblet..of tea. | 19:59 |
| lcuk | http://liqbase.net/lads_we/20100710_018.jpg | 19:59 |
| Rabidus | :O | 20:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | notice the 3 blue spots which are blurred by jpeg I guess, but were bright 100% b pixels on blessn900 original shot. on even lower light shots I had 100s of them, in red and blue | 20:01 |
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| lcuk | DocScrutinizer, your n810 resembles pupniks quite a bit | 20:05 |
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| lcuk | http://liqbase.net/liq.fosdem.pupnik.n810.20100207_007.jpg | 20:05 |
| * luke-jr is currently rebuilding everything on his N810 with GCC 4.4 | 20:05 | |
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| lcuk | nice luke-jr - full gentoo rebuild? or just the bits you use? | 20:06 |
| luke-jr | full | 20:07 |
| luke-jr | GCC 4.4 is not ABI compatible with 4.3 | 20:07 |
| lcuk | how long is it estimated to take? | 20:07 |
| luke-jr | lcuk: forever | 20:08 |
| luke-jr | XD | 20:08 |
| luke-jr | Gentoo doesn't do estimates | 20:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | lcuk: (pupnik) mhm | 20:08 |
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| luke-jr | lcuk: first I need to rebuild the base system, then rebuild the entire system (including the base again) | 20:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~gentoo luke-jr | 20:09 |
| * infobot recompiles luke-jr again | 20:09 | |
| luke-jr | it's almost done w/ the base | 20:09 |
| luke-jr | after 48 hours I think | 20:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | lol | 20:09 |
| luke-jr | haven't decided how I'm going to address qt-webkit | 20:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | GRRRR xchat blue LED PITA | 20:10 |
| luke-jr | it requires like 500 MB memory just to link | 20:10 |
| luke-jr | <.< | 20:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | RST38h: what's wrong with that shit? how to stop it? | 20:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | I really HATE this silly blue LED flashing for every highlight xchat sees | 20:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | I mean it's flashing blue 23:30 per day, for me | 20:11 |
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| lcuk | luke-jr, o_O | 20:12 |
| ShadowJK | /notify_mode | 20:12 |
| ShadowJK | @ DocScrutinizer | 20:12 |
| luke-jr | lcuk: want to make a liqbase WM? :P | 20:13 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ShadowJK: hmm | 20:13 |
| luke-jr | lcuk: maybe even take on Qt as a whole? | 20:13 |
| lcuk | i just see 500mb as massive | 20:13 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ShadowJK: FSCK how's the syntax? | 20:16 |
| luke-jr | lcuk: massive enough to watchdog-kill it | 20:16 |
| lcuk | yeah thats a bit bad | 20:16 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | 191502 Notification Modes: LED:ON Vibrator:OFF Banner:OFF Dialog:OFF Channel:ON Private:ON | 20:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer | nvm, figuerd it | 20:20 |
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| DocScrutinizer | nevertheless >:-(( on these presets and `UI', and thanks ShadowJK :-) | 20:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer | RST38h: that's not acceptable there's no GUI interface to those notification settings | 20:23 |
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| dr34m | DocScrutinizer iam starting the cycles now with the old dead battery | 20:26 |
| dr34m | charged the new one to max first | 20:27 |
| dr34m | lets see | 20:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | dr34m: thanks :) | 20:27 |
| dr34m | 3-5 cycles shoudl do it usually ? | 20:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | you don't by any chance have a voltmeter? | 20:27 |
| dr34m | each cycle is like 30 min.. wil take a while | 20:27 |
| dr34m | at work yea but not here and iam on vacation :| | 20:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | nevermind | 20:27 |
| dr34m | jup | 20:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | usually one cycle *should* suffice | 20:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | but for sure 5 cycles should give not better result than 4 | 20:28 |
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| DocScrutinizer | in other words cell should be charged as much as possible by recover charge, after maybe 3..4 cycles | 20:29 |
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| dr34m | we'll see i'll let ya know what happens | 20:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | charge voltage is 3.54V on recover charge | 20:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer | this will charge cell to maybe 20% *at max* | 20:30 |
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| dr34m | but for 100% should be enough to boot the device properly | 20:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep | 20:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's the idea | 20:30 |
| dr34m | iam glad anyways the phone is ok | 20:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-) | 20:31 |
| dr34m | ;) | 20:31 |
| dr34m | the original battery sucks anyways | 20:31 |
| dr34m | couldnt even make a day through work with it | 20:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer | data over GPRS/3G pretty easily can drain your battery in less than 2h | 20:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | and that's not exactly Nokia's or N900's fault | 20:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | nor the battery's | 20:35 |
| luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: just data? | 20:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's simply related to the fact a RF transmitter has to send data to next base station, and that inevitably eats hge amounts of power | 20:36 |
| parim | dr34m: all the batteries are the same. | 20:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah but some are more same than others | 20:37 |
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| luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: so it's a problem with voice too? :P | 20:41 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | sure. if you're talking then the transmitter also has to send data to basestation | 20:42 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | on a call | 20:42 |
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| luke-jr | I wonder which is better for battery life: voice calls or SIP data calls | 20:43 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | no diff | 20:43 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | if you use a low bandwidth codec | 20:43 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | with high bandwidth codec I'd say SIP is worse | 20:44 |
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| ppman | this is probably hideously off-topic, but how do I make dosbox actually have a sane input mode? | 21:00 |
| ppman | as in, properly use fn combos on n810? | 21:00 |
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| luke-jr | ppman: I doubt you can | 21:01 |
| ppman | so how do people use dosbox? | 21:01 |
| ppman | it's impossible to type /, numbers, and a bunch of other useful stuff | 21:01 |
| luke-jr | dosbox /path/to/game ? | 21:02 |
| ppman | I guess... | 21:02 |
| ppman | still hard to do certain games sans numbers, but it'll work | 21:02 |
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| ShadowJK | heh, I lent my N900 to my dad so he could use maesynth to tune this instrument he made :P | 21:10 |
| sheepbat | and not the tuning program? | 21:12 |
| lcuk | would it be possible to create a metronome app which used vibe module at its tick phase and accelomerometer to detect things | 21:13 |
| lcuk | to sync a pair of them up slowly like they would in real life | 21:14 |
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| lcuk | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W1TMZASCR-I | 21:15 |
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| technomike | Hey guys, after removing mafw-gst-eq-renderer I have no media player on my N900!! :o I had to remove the equaliser renderer because of many bugs with it, causing distorted sound etc | 21:18 |
| technomike | http://blogs.igalia.com/jasuarez/tag/mafw-gst-eq-renderer/ | 21:18 |
| luke-jr | lol | 21:19 |
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| lcuk | oooh here is something using the rotational zoom gesture http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BzmkS7ZS4ko | 21:20 |
| lcuk | from 2008 | 21:20 |
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| technomike | I guess I have removed the media player package :S | 21:22 |
| luke-jr | technomike: Maemo isn't Gentoo | 21:22 |
| luke-jr | you can't remove a dependency without removing the packages that depend on it | 21:23 |
| technomike | Ah | 21:23 |
| technomike | I have no idea why the media player has disappeared | 21:24 |
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| RST38h | yaaawn | 21:25 |
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| ech0Asus | can we video conference from iphone to n900? | 21:27 |
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| kerio | ech0Asus: no n900 user would ever speak to | 21:32 |
| kerio | er | 21:32 |
| kerio | to an apple fanboy | 21:32 |
| technomike | I guess I am going to have to restore and start my whole N900 again! :( | 21:32 |
| kerio | noooooooo ._. | 21:33 |
| ech0Asus | well i don't think a n900 is right for my girlfriend but i'd like to be able to video conference with her on another device such as an iphone.. | 21:33 |
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| luke-jr | ech0Asus: I suspect Skype might work | 21:34 |
| luke-jr | ech0Asus: Android > iPhone | 21:34 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | lcuk: sure. just need to reduce period a itsy bit each time you sense an accel event in 96..100% period | 21:34 |
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| Jaffa | ech0Asus: There's a thread about FaceTime on tmo; theoretically it might be possible, but there's routing via Apple's servers to decode. | 21:37 |
| Jaffa | luke-jr: No mobile device apart from N900 does Skype video AIUI | 21:37 |
| luke-jr | Jaffa: not even N900 then | 21:38 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | or period*=0.99 on event in 2nd half of period, *=1.01 on first half | 21:38 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | Jaffa: o/ :) | 21:38 |
| technomike | FaceTime, what a pathetic thing | 21:39 |
| lcuk | DocScrutinizer51, :D | 21:39 |
| luke-jr | what good is "Skype video" if it doesn't work with any other Skype? | 21:39 |
| hardaker2 | Jaffa: actually, the android 2.2 does now. | 21:39 |
| technomike | ech0Asus - I have just had an idea, you will be able to video conference with skype, with your girlfriend on iphone and you on n900 | 21:40 |
| hardaker2 | eg, the motorola droid does skype video | 21:40 |
| technomike | because iphone has skype | 21:40 |
| technomike | but I am not sure if it has video support yet | 21:40 |
| luke-jr | technomike: Skype does not imply video | 21:40 |
| luke-jr | does iPhone have a front-facing cam? | 21:40 |
| ech0Asus | ah ok so any device with skype will work? | 21:40 |
| technomike | iPhone4 does | 21:40 |
| ech0Asus | the new iphone does | 21:40 |
| luke-jr | ech0Asus: no | 21:40 |
| luke-jr | for example, I know at least Skype for OS X does not work with N900 | 21:40 |
| luke-jr | nor Skype for Windows | 21:40 |
| ech0Asus | damn.. that sux | 21:40 |
| technomike | Guys, any ideas how to install the default media player again? | 21:41 |
| technomike | how to reinstall I mean | 21:41 |
| technomike | Would really appreciate it, have no idea why it has been removed :S | 21:41 |
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| technomike | I suspect the second part of this command is to blame but its INSTALLING so not sure, but it has mp - maybe mp for media player? - apt-get install mafw-gst-renderer mp-fremantle-generic-pr | 21:42 |
| luke-jr | technomike: I already told you why | 21:42 |
| technomike | agh, my head is in a spin over this | 21:42 |
| luke-jr | [13:22:41] <luke-jr> technomike: Maemo isn't Gentoo | 21:43 |
| luke-jr | [13:23:05] <luke-jr> you can't remove a dependency without removing the packages that depend on it | 21:43 |
| luke-jr |  | 21:43 |
| technomike | I have not removed anything though ;) | 21:43 |
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| ShadowJK | sheepbat, there's a tuning program? | 21:44 |
| sheepbat | ye | 21:44 |
| sheepbat | s | 21:44 |
| luke-jr | "[13:18:14] <technomike> Hey guys, after removing mafw-gst-eq-renderer ..." | 21:44 |
| sheepbat | it's called "tuner" | 21:44 |
| technomike | luke-jr - Seperate renderer though | 21:45 |
| sheepbat | it has a little keyboard, and a pitch sensor | 21:45 |
| luke-jr | technomike: probably a dependency of the media player | 21:45 |
| technomike | Ah | 21:45 |
| technomike | Damn :( | 21:45 |
| ShadowJK | technomike, mp-fremantle-* is a metapackage that depends on most things | 21:45 |
| ShadowJK | if you install it you get most things installed | 21:45 |
| technomike | Oh :P My mistake then | 21:45 |
| technomike | thanks | 21:46 |
| technomike | I just followed the uninstall procedure on this page: http://blogs.igalia.com/jasuarez/2010/02/19/mafw-gst-eq-renderer-0-1-2009-47-1-1-released/ | 21:46 |
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| ShadowJK | and if you remove it you dont get updates again | 21:46 |
| ShadowJK | So basically, unless you know what you're doing, use the app manager and not apt | 21:46 |
| technomike | Is there any way to reinstall the media player? | 21:46 |
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| technomike | ShadowJK - Thanks for the advice ;) Know for future now | 21:47 |
| ShadowJK | try install that mp-fremantle-generic-pr thing | 21:47 |
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| technomike | the package isn't available but is referred to by another package | 21:48 |
| technomike | no install candidate | 21:48 |
| technomike | Damn :( I didn't expect things would go this bad | 21:49 |
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| LiraNuna | is there a way to open the media player when A2DP connection's "play" occurs and MP is not open? | 21:50 |
| technomike | Good question | 21:50 |
| technomike | I don't think so because I have had similar problem | 21:50 |
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| technomike | and many others, I have seen on the net | 21:51 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer51: have you forgoten about something? | 21:52 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | not really. you got the interim thing? | 21:52 |
| jacekowski | no | 21:53 |
| jacekowski | oh | 21:53 |
| jacekowski | you mean that link | 21:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | 30..29.. | 21:53 |
| jacekowski | 28 27 | 21:53 |
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| DocScrutinizer | hope you poll POP every 30s :-P | 21:55 |
| jacekowski | no | 21:55 |
| jacekowski | i use zimbra | 21:55 |
| jacekowski | it's push | 21:55 |
| jacekowski | hmm, can you send it as an attachment | 21:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | so should push you by now | 21:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | can do, sure | 21:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | mompl | 21:56 |
| jacekowski | and you don't have to sign it | 21:57 |
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| DocScrutinizer | sorry, all signed | 21:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer | u got mail | 21:59 |
| technomike | Nope | 21:59 |
| technomike | How can I restore maemo, and everything. Maybe that will reinstall the media player :S | 22:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | reflash | 22:00 |
| technomike | Damn :( | 22:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | maybe apt-get upgrade will do for this paticular case | 22:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | or apt-get -f install | 22:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | or sth like that | 22:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | [2010-07-17 20:47:18] <ShadowJK> try install that mp-fremantle-generic-pr thing | 22:02 |
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| technomike | Thanks I will try that right now. I did apt-get install mp-fremantle-generic-pr, but the package couldn't be found or something | 22:03 |
| ShadowJK | that tuner app is more like $random | 22:05 |
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| luke-jr | why does Busybox less suck so badly? | 22:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: test the other analysis algo, I found it's much better | 22:07 |
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| DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: just because there's no such thing like messybox-less | 22:07 |
| ShadowJK | Yeah im using harmonic product thing | 22:08 |
| luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: wtf? | 22:08 |
| luke-jr | I like GNU less | 22:08 |
| luke-jr | and its PCRE support | 22:08 |
| luke-jr | :D | 22:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | I *HATE* BUSSYBOX | 22:08 |
| luke-jr | me too. mainly because of less. | 22:08 |
| luke-jr | I copy Maemo files to Gentoo just to look at them | 22:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~busybox | 22:08 |
| infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, busybox is the swiss army knife of embedded linux. It combines tiny versions of many common UNIX utilities into a single small executable. It provides replacements for most of the utilities you usually find in GNU fileutils, shellutils, etc. See http://www.busybox.net/. | 22:08 |
| luke-jr | <.< | 22:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | fuck | 22:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~messybox | 22:09 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ~crapybox | 22:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~worthless | 22:09 |
| infobot | i guess worthless is the neatest, most spiffiest example of coolness ever!!! | 22:09 |
| luke-jr | LOL | 22:09 |
| sp3000 | technomike: should be in the system updates whatever catalog that's on by default, afaict ...although that might depend on what version you're at | 22:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~you are useless | 22:10 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer: what are you talking about? | 22:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~useless | 22:10 |
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| * infobot starts crying and hides from docscrutinizer in the darkest corner of the room. :( | 22:10 | |
| DocScrutinizer | !! | 22:10 |
| sp3000 | isn't there a package that installs some nicer gnutils? | 22:10 |
| * sp3000 hasn't bothered though | 22:10 | |
| technomike | *sigh* No luck :( I guess I have to reflash | 22:10 |
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| technomike | Oh | 22:10 |
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| sp3000 | now afaiui the updates repos only contain updates, but if any packages you're missing have been updated, you might be in luck | 22:11 |
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| technomike | have tried apt-get upgrade etc but nothing | 22:15 |
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| technomike | sp3000 - Is a reflash the only way to fix this now? | 22:16 |
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| sp3000 | if you can't get at the missing package otherwise, backup and reflash would be it | 22:19 |
| technomike | Damn, is reflash the only way then :( | 22:19 |
| technomike | Is it easy? | 22:19 |
| ShadowJK | theremin has some nasty crackles in sound | 22:20 |
| technomike | I don't have to backup the mass storage do I? (the 32gb partition) | 22:20 |
| technomike | for a reflash I mean | 22:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | nope you don't | 22:21 |
| technomike | Phew, would take a while | 22:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer | just reflash rootfs (*COMBINED*) | 22:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | then restore | 22:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | the backup | 22:22 |
| luke-jr | technomike: there is no 32 GB partition... | 22:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah it's 28 | 22:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | and an 2GB home | 22:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | anyway | 22:22 |
| luke-jr | 27 I thought | 22:22 |
| luke-jr | +2 GB home + .7 GB swap | 22:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | whatever | 22:22 |
| * DocScrutinizer refuses to argue with luke-jr about tonal->decimal conversions :-P | 22:23 | |
| technomike | luke-jr - Haha my mistake, but I just mean the mass storage | 22:23 |
| crashanddie | DocScrutinizer: I'm thinking about using an arduino to make a tachymetre for my bike. I want to use the spark plug or ignition wire to get a frequency off the engine | 22:23 |
| crashanddie | DocScrutinizer: thoughts? | 22:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | pondering | 22:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | stay away from spark plug&cable. use breaker impulse (one cyl?), and FILTER FILTER FILTER and clamp | 22:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | then filter once more | 22:26 |
| crashanddie | DocScrutinizer: single cylinder, four stroke. | 22:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | k | 22:26 |
| crashanddie | breaker impulse? | 22:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | so 1 pulse = 2 rotations | 22:26 |
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| DocScrutinizer | the contact that triggers spark | 22:27 |
| crashanddie | ah, k | 22:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | usually engaged by an excenter | 22:27 |
| crashanddie | I was thinking about induction to capture the frequency | 22:27 |
| crashanddie | so wrapping a bunch of times around the wire, so I don't need to open up the wire | 22:28 |
| rd | Can I disable packet data internet access and tell the N900 not always to ask if it is allowed to connect (but only connect if I ask for a connection)? | 22:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | could do, but for sure much more hassle to filter | 22:28 |
| luke-jr | rd: that's the default | 22:28 |
| crashanddie | DocScrutinizer: I'm going to get a digital osciloscope from school and see what signal I'm getting | 22:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | happy bashing when bringing back the somked up scope ;-P | 22:29 |
| crashanddie | you think it'll die? | 22:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | prepare for kV spikes | 22:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's why I said | 22:29 |
| crashanddie | hmm | 22:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | FILTER FILTER FILTER and clamp | 22:30 |
| crashanddie | well, I can get an industrial analogue one if required :P | 22:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | won't make any diff, scopes usually are up to 25V input or somesuch | 22:30 |
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| LiraNuna | FILTER FILTER FILTER and clamp | 22:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | you'd at very least need a high volt probe, preferrably 500:1 | 22:31 |
| sp3000 | that sounds like a dodgy dance routine | 22:31 |
| crashanddie | I know we used that scope to measure things upwards of 8kV | 22:31 |
| lcuk | crashanddie, take photographs of your face, get estimate of speed by processing and how far your cheeks are flapping | 22:32 |
| crashanddie | though the precision is pretty crap | 22:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | k, so you're safe if use correctly | 22:32 |
| crashanddie | lcuk: speed is fine, it's RPM and MPG I want. | 22:32 |
| lcuk | do bikes have the same kind of interface cars have? | 22:32 |
| LiraNuna | lcuk, lmao @ both comments | 22:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | crashanddie: can't you attach a wire to one end of ignition coil? | 22:33 |
| crashanddie | DocScrutinizer: could do | 22:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | NOT the spark end! | 22:33 |
| lcuk | wouldnt he be better using the data on the console | 22:33 |
| lcuk | ie doesnt it have a rev meter and speedo | 22:33 |
| crashanddie | it does have rev counter on the data, but no idea how to access it | 22:34 |
| crashanddie | I've been googling but no-one reverse-engineered it | 22:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | seems no, otherwise he wouldn't try to build his own? | 22:34 |
| b-man | hmm, my n900 is turning itself on 0_o | 22:34 |
| crashanddie | apparently it's just a read-only eprom. | 22:34 |
| luke-jr | b-man: ofc | 22:34 |
| sp3000 | kinky | 22:34 |
| luke-jr | b-man: just like all Maemo devices, it needs to be on to charge battery | 22:34 |
| crashanddie | lcuk: though, I don't know how often it's updated | 22:34 |
| b-man | it's not on the charger | 22:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | crashanddie: on cnsole RPM meter there are 3 wires, one of them has a pretty nice RPM signal | 22:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | I strongly advice to use that one | 22:35 |
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| crashanddie | hmm | 22:35 |
| crashanddie | then I just need to figure out some math to calculate the mileage. | 22:35 |
| lcuk | b-man, aliens | 22:35 |
| crashanddie | OK, I need to get some testing equipment and see what kind of signals I'm getting | 22:36 |
| b-man | lol | 22:36 |
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| lcuk | crashanddie, still, you could place a moisture sensor in your seat - once you reach lightspeed you will start to wet your pants | 22:37 |
| marmoute | Hello, I juste plug to the sector My N900 which shut down because of low battery 5 day ago (and have not been reloaded since) | 22:37 |
| crashanddie | lcuk: I'm wetting myself (and worse) more than once a day on it :P I'm such a noob rider :D | 22:37 |
| marmoute | A static yellow diode is on. but the phone refuse to boot. should I worry ? | 22:38 |
| lcuk | marmoute, just give it some time to charge a bit | 22:38 |
| crashanddie | marmoute: static means it's in "pre-charge" mode. It will last for 32 minutes, then re-plug the charger. Keep doing that until the yellow diode blinks. | 22:38 |
| crashanddie | lcuk: I'm lucky to have a top case, clean undies every red light :P | 22:39 |
| lcuk | crashanddie, i bet, motorbikes are awesome but scary | 22:39 |
| crashanddie | lcuk: actually, girlfriend and I are planning to get our licence and then go all the way to India :) | 22:40 |
| lcuk | is that because you are too scared to press the brake? | 22:40 |
| marmoute | crashanddie: Ok so I keep it plugged and un-plug re-plug from time to time until it blink | 22:40 |
| crashanddie | lcuk: nha, just that drivers in France are crazy. Red lights and stop signs are optional, it woudl seem | 22:41 |
| luke-jr | Stskeeps: ping | 22:41 |
| crashanddie | lcuk: when driving a car, I wasn't too afraid to force my right-of-way, but on a bike it's a whole different story. | 22:41 |
| lcuk | crashanddie, thats the same wherever | 22:41 |
| lcuk | but yeah france is worsersererererere | 22:41 |
| * marmoute is hapy as his N900 is alreaddy blinking and bootinh | 22:41 | |
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| DrGrov | Good evening everyone | 22:42 |
| DrGrov | Has anyone tested NuvoFre 1.10 yet? | 22:42 |
| luke-jr | never heard ofi t | 22:42 |
| LiraNuna | luke-jr doesn't read maemo.org news | 22:43 |
| DrGrov | ah okay, it was todays maemo.org news | 22:43 |
| luke-jr | nope | 22:43 |
| luke-jr | maemo.org news is usally worthless IMO | 22:43 |
| DrGrov | i might need to give a test but would be nice to know first if anyone has tried it | 22:44 |
| lcuk | luke-jr, if the news does not suit you, then make/find/submit news that does suit | 22:45 |
| lcuk | like slashdot, its all based on submissions from users | 22:45 |
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| LiraNuna | well said, lcuk | 22:46 |
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| unknown2030 | Why when i want to select a specific word the maemo select all text anyone knows | 22:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | dr34m: [2010-07-17 21:41:41] * marmoute is hapy as his N900 is alreaddy blinking and bootinh | 22:46 |
| luke-jr | lcuk: ... or I can just not read it. much faster. | 22:47 |
| drglnx | unknown2030, in which mode you are trying to select text ? | 22:47 |
| lcuk | luke-jr, sure you could, but it would be nice to not hear you moan that its crap when you dont actively do anything to help it | 22:47 |
| unknown2030 | With the pencil | 22:48 |
| unknown2030 | Im using n810 | 22:48 |
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| lcuk | unknown2030, on which application | 22:48 |
| lcuk | afaik, text selection (using the stylus) used to work | 22:48 |
| drglnx | yea, that was what im supposed to ask | 22:48 |
| DrGrov | I at least love the maemo.org news. Always a pleasure to read every day to see what is new :) | 22:48 |
| drglnx | lol | 22:48 |
| luke-jr | lcuk: the news I would submit would be no doubt boring to regular readers | 22:49 |
| luke-jr | I mean, how many N900 owners care that I have a GCC 4.4 built kernel for N900? | 22:49 |
| lcuk | without submitting it you will never know | 22:49 |
| lcuk | i do | 22:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | on gentoo | 22:49 |
| lcuk | i think your gentoo stuff is cool | 22:49 |
| luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: it boots Maemo | 22:49 |
| DrGrov | brb | 22:49 |
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| unknown2030 | Pidgin, terminal, notes | 22:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | unknown2030: odd | 22:50 |
| luke-jr | lcuk: I suspect people who care are a minority; I posted a N810 kernel to talk once and nobody seemed to care but like 2 people | 22:50 |
| luke-jr | which is fine. I'm not complaining. | 22:51 |
| unknown2030 | its strange | 22:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | unknown2030: works like charm here | 22:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | in xterm | 22:51 |
| luke-jr | just not interested in spending time telling people who don't care to hear about it. :p | 22:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: I see :-P | 22:51 |
| lcuk | luke-jr, then do it for yourself in 12 months time | 22:52 |
| unknown2030 | Charm ;;; | 22:52 |
| luke-jr | heh | 22:52 |
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| trumee | DocScrutinizer: are you on gentoo? | 22:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | me? nah | 22:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'm afk | 22:58 |
| unknown2030 | I hate my n810 i need to reboot it | 22:58 |
| luke-jr | lol | 22:58 |
| unknown2030 | How i can backup all | 22:58 |
| luke-jr | ... | 22:58 |
| luke-jr | you mean flash it? | 22:58 |
| unknown2030 | Yes i | 22:58 |
| Jaffa | luke-jr: The SNR on Talk means getting the intellectual elite of the Maemo community to see something is a little tricky | 22:59 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | unknown2030: try drawing app to make sure touchscreen calib is ok | 22:59 |
| unknown2030 | The touchscreen it works | 23:01 |
| unknown2030 | When you are in notes and want to select a word and highlight only press the stylus or finger one time and select it in my case select all the text area | 23:03 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | so your problem description is lil fuzzy | 23:03 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | mhm | 23:03 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | when I set stylus to e.g xterm it does nothing until I start to drag | 23:04 |
| lcuk | jaffa, bullpoo - thats just an excuse not to post there by putting yourself above it! you participate in threads as highlighted and with more eyes you should hear more. | 23:04 |
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| lcuk | i dont think any one person can monitor everything though you are right | 23:04 |
| lcuk | jaffa, any large forum is similar and its only going to get *worse* not better in meego when you have people discussing the same thing on different UXes | 23:06 |
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| unknown2030 | Or when you press ctrl + a select all text happen the seme when i try to select a word | 23:09 |
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| drglnx | maybe you should get n900 :D | 23:12 |
| unknown2030 | Hehehehe | 23:13 |
| unknown2030 | How i can do a / backup | 23:13 |
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| BCMM | what does the sharing-service-ftp package do? | 23:15 |
| lcuk | BCMM, at a guess it allows you to share with a configurable ftp server... | 23:17 |
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| trumee | luke-jr: you have ebuilds for freeswitch on gentoo? | 23:31 |
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| technomike | If I attempt to update using NSU, will I be able to reflash maemo and not lose anything, and keep everything intact. Its only to fix the media player :( | 23:55 |
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| Andy80 | what are the right Qt libraries to use: libqt4-* or libqt4-maemo5-* ??? Because in Scratchbox both packages are available but if I remember well one is deprecated... | 23:56 |
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