IRC log of #maemo for Friday, 2010-07-16

chadiis there any app i can use to keep track of my spent money etc?00:00
SpeedEvilI forget the name00:00
SpeedEvilit's silly00:00
jacekowskichadi: internet banking via microB00:00
DocScrutinizercheck HAM00:00
SpeedEvilI think there is another, but I forget the name00:00
jacekowskii've spent £11 at mcdonalds today00:00
TMMdoes anyone know if it is possible to have the mail client only notify for emails that come into inbox, and not other folders?00:01
jacekowskiand that was my only meal today00:01
CorsacTMM: it does that by default here00:01
CorsacTMM: and I wouldn't know how to make it different, tbh00:01
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TMMI use the exchange plugin through z-push on a zarafa server (which works great btw) but it notifies for all mails now00:01
chadisomething that is not devel is preferable00:01
chadior even testing00:01
SpeedEvilI've spent I think 1.50 on food today, for all meals.00:01
SpeedEvilCooking ++00:02
TMMand I really don't need to hear a sound whenever someone posts something to lkml :P00:02
tybolltjacekowski: so you ARE the fat chick?00:02
SpeedEvilActually - no - 2.00 - counting the fruit00:02
jacekowskitybollt: nah, that's my only meal today00:02
jacekowskiand i pretty much don't eat at all during a weekend00:02
DocScrutinizerso is there a way to rotate 90, 180, 270, for an app?00:03
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DocScrutinizeror does matchbox(?) just not support?00:03
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DocScrutinizerDrGrov: you should take over here00:03
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DrGrovDocScrutinizer: take over where?00:07
DrGrovDocScrutinizer: about what?00:07
DocScrutinizerregarding screen rotate00:08
DrGrovAh yes, sorry. I am bit lost at the moment.00:08
DrGrovHad some strong eye drops inserted just a few minutes ago for my fucked up eyes.00:08
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DrGrovSo, would it be possible to have a full rotating screen like DocScrutinizer said?00:10
DrGrovI was wondering about this since it would be so nice to be able to use the phone in any kind of direction almost.00:11
DocScrutinizerxrandr --rotate left|right|inverted  ?00:13
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DocScrutinizerwould it work?00:13
DrGrovI hope it would work :D00:13
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kahlessstrange.. skype connects via umts, icq and irc doesnt..00:17
kahlessweb does not work too00:17
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Kegetysdns broken?00:18
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kahlessKegetys: seems so, but valid dns servers are in my resolve.conf00:19
kahlesss/resolve.conf/resolv.conf :)00:20
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luke-jrkahless: only should be in resolv.conf00:23
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kahlessluke-jr: just a second..00:23
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kahlessluke-jr: thx a lot :) never thought about a loopback00:26
kerioluke-jr: why?00:26
luke-jrkerio: because Maemo5 runs its own DNS server00:26
SpeedEvilIt' not impossible that some stuff won't look at /etc/resolv.conf and is hardcoded to ask
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Arkenoiit is said nokia messaging is going to be paid service00:30
ShadowJKIt's some sort of revenue-sharing scheme with operators00:30
ShadowJKSo in reality it's going to vary from country to country and operator to operator00:30
Arkenoiit is ok, but seems that it will be completely unavailable for customers who are using network operator that does not have agreement with nokia00:31
Arkenoiand it damn sucks00:31
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Arkenoii am willing to pay, but i do not want to be discriminated00:31
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keriousing sms as data transfer, without a special deal?00:31
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keriohahaha, oh wow00:31
luke-jrwtf is nokia messaging and wtf do we care?00:31
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Arkenoiluke, do you have another push email that works for maemo? activesync is even worse00:32
kerioluke-jr: im over sms for dumbphones00:32
keriowell, not exactly dumbphones00:32
keriofor phones between dumb and smart00:32
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luke-jrkerio: SMS was lame from the start00:32
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DocScrutinizersorry for dumbass question: how would I paste some sourcecode to wiki, so it won't lose indentation etc?00:34
DocScrutinizeris there some [plain] tag?00:35
n900-dkDoes Instinctiv from Ovi work for you guys?00:35
n900-dkIt starts but shutdown immediately.. :/00:36
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DocScrutinizerMohammadAG51: ping00:38
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DocScrutinizerjacekowski: o.O  (bq24150 module included in image)
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DocScrutinizernevermind wiki Q00:41
pekujaI hope this is not too offtopic, but can anyone recommend a good case for N900? I had a CP-321, but I lost it, and it wasn't super great anyhow.00:41
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SiggyFi thought I read there was a key combo to make a screenshot. is that available without installing anything?00:44
luke-jrpekuja: yeah, kinda lame Nokia didn't include cases with N900 like they did all the earlier ones00:44
luke-jrpekuja: I'm using my N810's00:44
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pekujathat's a very basic case, right?00:46
pekujakinda like CP-32100:46
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pekujaone thing I'd really like is a case that allows access to the headphone jack00:46
pekujaand possibly the touchscreen00:47
PaulyN900i need ive been trying for days and cant get portrait mode on browser00:47
pekujaPaulyN900: I think you need to go into the options to enable it. then tuck the keyboard in and hold the phone vertically00:47
PaulyN900ctrl shift o wont work, i feel retarded00:48
PaulyN900lol thanks ill see brb00:48
kahlessSiggyF: ctrl + shift + p (but that doesnt work here00:49
PaulyN900ya hitting enable rotaion in browser dont work either00:50
PaulyN900soo lost00:50
PaulyN900nevermind i dont need it00:50
PaulyN900thanks im outie00:50
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jacekowskiDocScrutinizer: <pre>00:54
SiggyFthanks got some nice pictures now00:54
jacekowskiDocScrutinizer: i think if you start with --- it does it automaticaly00:54
DocScrutinizerjacekowski: bq24150 module??00:55
jacekowskiyeah, that's odd00:55
jacekowskinothing on google about it00:55
DocScrutinizerjust about and no hits00:55
* DocScrutinizer summons MohammadAG5100:56
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jacekowskihe's never here when you need him00:56
DocScrutinizerwill have an hour of TV and an icecream00:56
DocScrutinizerhe was rare the whole day00:57
jacekowskiwell, make a spec anyways00:57
jacekowskiand how do you plan to handle watchdog00:57
jacekowskiautomaticaly in kernel?00:57
DocScrutinizeryep, mine won't be worse than whatever might be there00:57
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DocScrutinizerjacekowski: still pondering00:57
DocScrutinizerbasically why not00:58
jacekowskii think kernel should handle it00:58
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DocScrutinizeras the whole watchdog shit is just a protection against runaway progs writing to the I2C chrg_volt register etc00:59
DocScrutinizerthere's nothing that can 'run away' if not closely monitored00:59
DocScrutinizerso a reasonably 'magic' value you have to write to critical synodes will be protection enough I'd say01:00
jacekowskithen i would have to mod BME to use new driver01:00
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DocScrutinizernah, we'll define the operation of the driver in such a way it keeps backward compatibility01:01
user___I need help to use autodisconnect01:01
DocScrutinizeri.e if nobody touches it it won't interfere with direct access to I2C/bq2415001:02
jacekowskias soon as kernel driver claims i2c device01:02
jacekowskinothing else can touch it01:02
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DocScrutinizernope, not true afaik01:02
jacekowskiyep true01:03
DocScrutinizeryou can override that01:03
jacekowskitry to talk to gaia01:03
jacekowskiusing i2cget/set01:03
jacekowskior fmtxc01:03
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DocScrutinizergaia has register lock mechanisms01:03
jacekowskior lp552301:03
DocScrutinizeranyway it's a module, you can modprobe (-r) it any time01:03
jacekowskii had to unload lp5523 module to get access to temperature01:04
user___it seems working but only if I disactivate all my IM account. I was thinking that it will work when I put my IM status offline01:04
jacekowskiand i still had no response from natsemi in regards of datasheet01:05
jacekowskii'll have to call them01:05
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DocScrutinizer""stop bme && modpobe bq24150""01:05
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DocScrutinizerjacekowski: took a weekend for me01:06
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DocScrutinizerbut then, I had an 'official' addr/title01:06
jacekowskiand you contacted them using that contact form on a website?01:06
jacekowskiwell, i have an official title and address01:07
jacekowski( i was using my work address for that purpose )01:07
DocScrutinizermhm, just keep calm01:07
jacekowskii hate waiting01:07
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microlithhm, so the only way to interface with the GPS is via liblocation?01:11
SpeedEvil1I'm unsure whee liblocation gets its data01:11
microlithI was about to ask01:12
microlithand I suspect liblocation is closed?01:12
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microlithyuk yuk yuk01:12
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jacekowskiwell, liblocation is next on my list01:12
microlithkinda scrubs porting an existing map tool01:13
jacekowskibut i think agps will be a prblem01:13
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jacekowskithat's strange01:13
jacekowskiFS-94 is connecting only to 3 serial pins01:14
SpeedEvilteaching gpsd about liblocation wouldn't be horribly hard01:14
technomike3G uses more power than WiFi right?01:14
SpeedEvilgenerally, yes01:14
technomikeI mean on an active data connection01:14
SpeedEvilalmost invariably01:14
SpeedEvilactive 3G can use maybe 3* what active wifi can at peak01:15
jacekowskiStskeeps: do you have mj-174?01:15
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Wolfietalking about 3g power usage, can I have my data connection on idle, without it affecting the battery life noticeably?01:17
technomikeGood question01:18
Wolfieafaik, the iPhone has a permanently open data connection, and there's no option to turn it off01:18
pebSo SpeedEvil, for saving power, you'd suggest whenever possible to switch to WLAN? Is there an App that can do it automatically (list of known WLANs, check if available, kill 3G)?01:18
Wolfieso, i'm guessing they have managed to get the battery drainage to a minimum01:18
technomikepeb - The N900 has that built in01:18
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DocScrutinizerblessn900? muhaha! nightmode of genuine maemo-pr1.2 cam shoots pictures like daylight where blessn900 got just pointilism abstract art01:19
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pebTechnomike, thanks for the Info. I wasn't aware of that, I've then to check how to optimize that ..01:19
peboptimize: I mean the usage of that ...01:20
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ShadowJKData connection open and idle is pretty minimal power consumption01:21
ShadowJKthe hard part is in getting it idle01:21
technomikehaha yeah01:22
Wolfiewell, i'd imagine it checking the email every now and then doesn't take too much effort01:23
technomikeOnce you have an open data connection, SOMETHING seems to always be using it :P01:23
Wolfieisn't IMAP traffic pretty light01:23
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Wolfieand, then there's the weather widget, ought to be light on its data too01:23
Wolfieas long as it doesn't shorten the life by 20% by merely being on, i'm considering it a non-issue01:23
technomikeBut anyway, why keep it idle (just curious), just connect when needed01:24
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technomikeis it for widget updates?01:24
technomikeand EMAIL01:24
Wolfietechnomike: *shrug* just out of academic interest01:24
technomikeYep, well good question01:24
Wolfiefaster to leave it on in background and start surfing, instead of waiting for the connection to handshake for "ages" when you need to check one little thing01:25
technomikeI don't know at all, but personally I think the connection uses more power when its on at all.01:25
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DocScrutinizer3G idle (really idle, means also no *inbound* pings etc) takes a mere 4mA allegedly01:25
ShadowJKIt's not as much about the amount of data transfered01:26
ShadowJKa ping once every 2 seconds, doesn't matter if it's inbound or outbound, uses about as much power as streaming radio :P01:26
technomikebesides, just being in 3G cell signal mode uses more power anyway.01:26
DocScrutinizera single byte though - in or out - will ramp it up to - say - 300mA for 30s01:26
technomikecompared to 2G01:26
ShadowJK(somewhat operator dependant)01:26
WolfieShadowJK: what, really? wow01:26
ShadowJKWolfie, as DocScrutinizer says01:27
kerioyeah, but 3g > 2g01:27
Wolfieok, better leave it off, then... dang :/01:27
luke-jrtechnomike: I found I can only get service if I use 3G :/01:27
keriobetter throughput, better lag01:27
technomikeluke-jr - Shocking :o01:27
ShadowJKI use the mode switch applet, and usually keep it on 2g and only switch to 3g if there's something particulary bandwidth intensive01:27
luke-jrtechnomike: also, nobody actually sells 3G service here01:27
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luke-jrAT&T has 2G, but *nobody* sells 3G01:27
keriomy operator only has 3g01:28
technomikeluke-jr - I am on Three UK, and even they have 2G when there is no 3G available in the area01:28
Wolfieoh well. off to sleep. the dog just came to get me01:28
ShadowJKYeah but do they have 2g where there's also 3g?01:28
keriotechnomike: same here01:28
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keriothree italy01:28
technomikeShadowJK - Yeah01:28
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luke-jrbut UK has always been big on 2G/GSM01:28
kerioumts only, gsm roaming01:29
technomikeI get 3G everywhere I go practically in UK01:29
luke-jrof course, then there's N81001:29
luke-jrwhich only had 4G support01:29
technomikekerio - Yep! Thats it.01:29
DocScrutinizeranyway to stay on UMTS and tear down the packet data service, you need to enter a bogus APN, as there's no method I know of to switch down the 3G data connection and keep call connectivity01:29
ShadowJKN810W at that01:29
kerioDocScrutinizer: huh?01:29
keriodisable automatic connection?01:30
ShadowJKWell you can just "Disconnect $OPERATOR" form the menu and you no longer have an IP address01:30
technomikeSorry, I didn't realise you guys meant that. My operator is 3G only, but it roams when in 2G area, but its still the same service in the end, just low data speeds.01:30
technomikeThree UK01:30
technomikethe clue is in the network name :P01:30
keriotechnomike: my data plan doesn't work in gsm roaming :(01:30
DocScrutinizerShadowJK: won't it auto-reconnect?01:30
kerioi have data, but i have to pay for it01:30
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kerioso i'd rather not01:30
luke-jrN900 doesn't want to roam for me...01:30
technomikekerio - I have unlimited data on my plan01:30
ShadowJKDocScrutinizer, you can disable autoconnection01:30
TMMthis is technically not maemo related, but does someone have a recommendation on a N900 protective case that allows access to at least the jack, and ideally would allow calling?01:30
ShadowJKit's in the settings01:31
DocScrutinizeraah, ok. missed that01:31
ShadowJKOf course, whenever something wants to use internet, the connection dialog pops up01:31
DocScrutinizeryep, that's what I remember01:31
technomikeluke-jr - I use the AutoDisconnect to be in 2G until I need 3G data, then when connection is inactive, switches back to 2G01:31
luke-jrDocScrutinizer: there's Offline Mode too01:31
technomikeWorks great01:31
technomikeand saves power01:31
DocScrutinizerluke-jr: offline mode means no calls aiui01:32
technomikeOffline mode basically turns the Cellular modem off01:32
ShadowJKI forget if the tablet mode app retains calls, or of it's like offline mode except wifi and bt active01:32
kerioShadowJK: it's tablet mode01:32
keriocellmo down01:32
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keriowifi+bt up01:32
DocScrutinizerso basically my point stands01:33
kerioyou know, the n900 may have a lot of flaws, but it's still a pretty kickass device01:33
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luke-jrkerio: I must admit.01:34
DocScrutinizerhmm, that AutoDisconnect sounds smart01:34
luke-jrdoes it work if there's almost never 2G?01:34
ShadowJKprobably not01:34
luke-jreg, use 3G if 2G is unavailable, even if inactive?01:35
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DocScrutinizernever happens in Germany :-D01:35
ShadowJKThere's no sensible way to do "Use 2g but fallback to 3g if 2g is absent"01:35
luke-jrwhy not?01:35
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ShadowJKThere's dual mode, but ultimately the operator decides what the device does01:36
luke-jrinstead of using 3G, set Dual; never set 2G unless that's 3.501:36
* Arkenoi had never seen 3g-only networks01:36
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DocScrutinizerUSA only - third world01:37
ShadowJKIt's pretty much built from the ground with the assumption that 3g without also 2g coverage "never" happens :)01:37
luke-jrDocScrutinizer: not even USA maybe01:37
kerioheh, i think my Dual mode prefers the 3g over the 2g because i can only connect to my home network in 3g01:37
luke-jragain, T-Mobile claims it has no service here01:37
keriobut i usually set it to 3g only anyway, particularly when i need data01:38
luke-jrI had to import a SIM from Kansas City01:38
ShadowJKThe assumption being once operators had 100% 2g coverage they'd start building 3g coverage.. and then in a few years they'll make a 3g/4g phone perhaps, that assumes 3g is always available :)01:38
kerioShadowJK: hhahahahahahahahhahaa01:38
technomikeIts awful having to switch to 2G to save power etc01:38
ShadowJKI had some pretty poor 2g reception the other day, and the N900 was burning battery like made to push through IRC. :-)01:39
technomikeShould be able to stay on 3G on all devices now01:39
ShadowJKBut then again, I was half an hour out at sea :P01:39
FauxFauxMy n900 never gets over gprs; I think my 15-year-old sim card doesn't support it.01:39
FauxFaux(age probably exaggerated)01:39
technomikeBattery technology needs to improve I guess01:39
ShadowJKand a bit far from nearest floating cellphone operator byouy :-)01:39
luke-jrI don't think GSM existed 15 years ago01:39
DocScrutinizerluke-jr: what??01:40
luke-jrwasn't that when my dad was using a bag-phone with new analog cellular tech?01:40
keriotechnomike: we need to move from batteries to really, really thin wires01:40
ShadowJK"The first GSM network was launched in 1991 by Radiolinja in Finland"01:40
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luke-jrkerio: get things low-power enough and we can use batteries + solar01:41
luke-jrShadowJK: that's Finland01:41
DocScrutinizerI guess I bought my first cellphone, a Nokia 2110, around 15..18years ago01:41
luke-jrthey have time travellers there, so it doesn't count01:41
FauxFauxThe 'phone the simcard came in was a nokia 5-series, which apparently means pre-2000.01:41
ShadowJK"By the end of 1993, over a million subscribers were using GSM phone networks being operated by 70 carriers across 48 countries."01:41
luke-jrmaybe that was when the cell company was begging my dad to upgrade to a phone that supported more than analog...01:42
DocScrutinizerShadowJK: thanks01:42
* Arkenoi bought my first cellphone 16 years ago and it was not gsm01:42
technomikeluke-jr - Yeah, we should have solar panels in phones similar to what calculators have01:42
luke-jrI was 10 in 199501:43
kerioi was three01:43
luke-jrholy crap01:43
luke-jrare 1992 babies 18 now?01:43
luke-jrwhere did the time go? -.-01:43
ShadowJKluke-jr, fair game eh01:43
luke-jrShadowJK: I have no fair game :(01:44
FauxFaux "Variants" section, first sentence, tee hee.01:44
ShadowJK "15 years ago: the first mass-produced GSM phone"01:44
DocScrutinizerI was older in 1990 than you are today :-P01:44
kerioDocScrutinizer: sorry, i'll get off your lawn now01:45
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DocScrutinizerkerio: not you, luke-jr :-P01:45
luke-jrDocScrutinizer: wait, not kerio, but me?01:45
luke-jrhow is that even remotely possible?01:45
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kerioluke-jr: he rolled over the spacetime01:46
luke-jrdoes that mean it takes 15 years per 2 generations?01:46
luke-jrthat's kinda slow01:46
kerioDocScrutinizer: i'm jounger than luke-jr btw01:47
* luke-jr now has a 2-year-old in his head for kerio's persona01:47
kerioluke-jr: that's not exactly far from the truth01:48
DocScrutinizerkerio: yeah, I learned adding and substracting in scool without any electonic calculator, so I know when you both are born and ho old you are today01:48
keriohuh... it's not a merit, and i did too, so...01:49
keriowell, actually i learned how to add and subtract before going to school01:49
technomikeI am trying to find more widgets for my N900 homescreens.01:49
jogamy bro taught add/subtract before I went to school :)01:49
keriobut that's not the point here01:49
luke-jrkerio: it is, you just don't knwo it01:50
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DocScrutinizerseems you misinterpreted the "not you" - it was just referring to whom the original statement was targeted, not at whom it's true or false01:53
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luke-jr-A OUTPUT -o gprs+ -j TMOBILE01:56
luke-jr-A TMOBILE -p tcp -m multiport --dports 80,443,6667 -j REDIRECT --to-ports 121101:56
DocScrutinizerso s/kerio: not you, luke-jr :-P/yes, you too kerio, but I meant luke-jr/01:56
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Maceryou are forwarding over gprs ? hah01:57
DocScrutinizerluke-jr: you are on acid?01:57
luke-jrI am taking any attempts to connect to ports 80,443,6667 over GPRS, and redirecting them to localhost:121101:57
luke-jrlocalhost:1211 runs transocks which in turn tunnels the connection over SOCKS (over SSH)01:58
Macergood luck witht hat01:58
luke-jrT-Mobile blocks ports 80 and 44301:58
luke-jrand FreeNode has T-Mobile K-lined01:58
Maceri use freenode on my n900 all the time with tmob01:58
FauxFauxOr, y'know, ssh to a screen session.01:58
Maceryeah. i usually just ssh to my shell box01:59
kerioluke-jr: oh, it's not to use your free dns tunnel?01:59
DocScrutinizerluke-jr: those suckers01:59
luke-jrFauxFaux: that doesn't work for 80,44301:59
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luke-jrkerio: no, T-Mobile blocks DNS lookups of  :(01:59
kerioi'm deeply sorry for you01:59
DocScrutinizerMacer: luke-jr: prolly not t-mo but the NAT you're behind is klined01:59
luke-jrDocScrutinizer: they want me to use their "smart" proxy01:59
luke-jrDocScrutinizer: yeah, the T-Mobile NAT02:00
Macerhow odd.. yeah i suppose it does use a smart phone proxy02:00
DocScrutinizeryeah, and Macer has a different one02:00
Macerheh. that is odd02:01
Maceri've never run into weird issues like that luke-jr02:01
Macerquit spamming from your phone :-P02:01
luke-jrain't me.02:01
luke-jrDocScrutinizer: want a native xrandr btw?02:01
DocScrutinizernot me, DrGrov02:02
smharit seems that the best way -for beginners- to learn and develop for the N900, that will work with both maemo and meego  is Python+QT . so any good starting resources to help me with that?02:02
DocScrutinizerme too02:02
luke-jrsmhar: nonsense, just use plain Qt02:02
Macersmhar: yes. ditch the maemo dev and just do meego02:02
keriosmhar: python tutorial, for starters02:02
DocScrutinizerjust if it really works, of course :-P02:02
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Macermaemo is a "dead os"02:03
DocScrutinizerMacer: that's BS02:03
luke-jrNokia-N900:~# /media/gentoo/usr/bin/xrandr --output LCD --rotate left02:03
luke-jr/media/gentoo/usr/bin/xrandr: relocation error: /media/gentoo/usr/bin/xrandr: symbol __isoc99_sscanf, version GLIBC_2.7 not defined in file with link time reference02:03
MacerDocScrutinizer: that's not what i was told yesterday :)02:03
DrGrovluke-jr: yes, i would like a native xrandr02:04
smharI do not care about which one is dead now. I have an N900 and I plan to use it for a long time, if maemo is what it will run it, I want to learn developing for it02:04
luke-jrDrGrov: might require a chroot :D02:04
DocScrutinizerMacer: for any topic of 'learning to program' it is02:04
MacerDocScrutinizer: :) fair point. i'm just saying .. how many people are left developing for MS-DOS?02:04
luke-jrMacer: FreeDOS!02:05
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Maceri hear qbasic is going to take control of the industry... but i could be wrong :)02:05
luke-jrI have Visual Basic for DOS somewhere around here...02:05
Macerluke-jr: well. and i guess windows 3.1 would be wine?02:05
DocScrutinizerhow many MS-DOS programs will run on a contemporary platform, by merely recompiling them02:05
MacerDocScrutinizer: oh i'm sure a lot. but my point was that he will just waste time looking into the past02:06
DocScrutinizerand really, that doesn't fit02:06
DrGrovluke-jr: oh damn, that is not too good then...02:06
DocScrutinizerMacer: that's BS02:06
Maceri suppose you may be able to find a place that will hire an os/2 developer to work on ATMs02:06
DocScrutinizerlearning QT is learning QT, no matter if maemo, meego or even BuntKuh02:07
Macerbut they are moving off os/2 and ecomstation02:07
smhardocscrutinizer, could we be serious here please :-) so what about my question? I downloaded diveintopython and it seems like a great book, but nothing specific to N900 and no gui stuff02:07
luke-jror Windows or Mac or KDE02:07
MacerDocScrutinizer: that is also a fair point.. but....02:07
luke-jror GNOME even02:07
Macerbetter to work on the os that won't be dead02:07
luke-jrsmhar: Python sucks02:07
DocScrutinizerand maemo is as dead as win-vista is for /02:07
MacerDocScrutinizer: 6 months and dropped? :) i'm sure there will be some people that will support it but far and few02:08
Macerjust like maemo4 after the n900 came out02:08
Maceror after it was decided m5 wouldn't run on n8x0 hardware02:08
Macerso do you stay developing for something that won't be around anymore or try to work on something that will?02:09
luke-jrI gotta admit, now that I've seen M5, I don't think I'd put up with M4 :p02:09
DocScrutinizerMacer: I'm feeling tired by answering your just-beneath-the-point statements02:09
luke-jrN810 is strictly Gentoo to me now02:09
MacerDocScrutinizer: well. most of them were statements :) only a couple of questions thrown in there. i'm just being honest02:09
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DocScrutinizeryou're just wrong02:10
Macerthat is a matter of interpretation02:10
DocScrutinizermeego is compatible to maemo02:10
DocScrutinizerat least that's what was told to me02:10
smharI still did not get an answer! and you guys are fighting over what??!!02:10
DocScrutinizerjust recompile and done. So how could maemo be 'dead' for learning purposes??02:11
luke-jrsmhar: welcome to the wonderful world of free software02:11
DocScrutinizersmhar: your answer is: learn python, learn QT02:11
luke-jrsmhar: argue is all we REALLY do02:11
smharI probably need to ask again tomorrow when people are calmer :-)02:11
luke-jrDocScrutinizer: or just learn Qt...02:11
Macersmhar: qt is qt ;)02:11
luke-jrsmhar: Qt has very good docs02:11
luke-jror used to02:12
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luke-jrI hear Nokia screwed it up02:12
asjsmhar: what's your question exactly?02:12
luke-jrw/ some Javadoc nonsense02:12
asjluke-jr: stop talking out of your ass :)02:12
luke-jrasj: keyword : I hear02:12
luke-jras in, that's what some guy in another channel said earlier today02:12
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smharasj, good resources to learn developing for N900 now and the near future, (maemo+meego) , which I believe python and qt. so what good resources are there to help beginners .. begin ? :-)02:13
asjluke-jr: as heard by a trusted random guy on irc, always the best quality sources02:13
luke-jrI never said I trusted him02:13
luke-jrsmhar: why the obsession with Python?02:14
luke-jrjust use Qt02:14
asjsmhar: well, just learn the language, you said you had a book, that's the right place to start02:15
DocScrutinizersmhar: ^^^02:15
asjsmhar: once you have the basics of python down, then learn the python+qt bindings, which will give you a ui.  Though, I'm not sure how well they work on maemo since qt 4.6+maemo has some custom patches in it.02:15
Shapeshifterbest intro imo02:16
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smharluke-jr, because I am doing it for fun, not pro, and I do not have much time to spend on learning a difficult language, so python seemed logical02:18
smharShapeshifter, asj, docscrutinizer, thanks, I will do that02:19
luke-jrsmhar: Python is more difficult than Qt02:20
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Shapeshifterluke-jr: since when is Qt a language?02:20
luke-jrShapeshifter: 4.0?02:20
Shapeshifterand why are the two even comparable.02:20
Shapeshifterqtscript you mean?02:20
luke-jrbased on C++02:21
luke-jrand mostly compatible with02:21
SpCombC++ is very, very difficult02:21
luke-jrbut Qt is not02:21
ShapeshifterI don't see how Qt is a language.02:21
SpCombyou /might/ squeeze by without a proper understanding, but at some point you'll hit a brick wall with e.g. pointers, and it's downhill from there02:21
luke-jrShapeshifter: the same way C++ is a language02:21
Shapeshifterit's C++02:21
luke-jrShapeshifter: then C++ is C02:22
asjC++ has no reason to be difficult, and if you have problems with pointers go back to grade school02:22
SpCombQt = C++ with some MOC magic02:22
luke-jrQt is to C++ what C++ is to C02:22
SpCombasj: C++ has many reasons to be difficult02:22
asjSpComb: it's only as difficult as you choose to make it02:22
SpCombthat's true, but it's inenvitable that you'll eventually run into something that isn't so fun02:23
asjyou run into something that isn't fun in any language02:23
luke-jrC++ has its own syntax (of which C is a subset) and standard library02:23
luke-jrQt has its own syntax (of which C++ is a subset) and standard library02:23
asjluke-jr: that's pure bull :)02:24
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SpCombquite, but it's more fun to criticize C++02:24
derfYes. C is not a subset of C++.02:24
luke-jrderf: the syntax is02:24
smharmy God, what have I started !!   :-)02:24
asjluke-jr: the same argument could be made that any library with a #defines creates a new language.  The use of cpp does not constitute a new language.02:24
derfGo compile something with struct foo { int class; };02:24
luke-jrasj: the use of moc does02:25
angasulesmhar: mention java, emacs, vim and bunny slippers and you'll be done :)02:25
luke-jror, in C++'s case, cfc or whatever it was02:25
asjluke-jr: moc is only slightly different than cpp, it's a helper02:25
Shapeshiftersmhar: don't listen to this maniac. <3 python <302:25
angasuleluke-jr: CFCs are banned worldwide, that's how bad they are!02:25
kerioangasule: i want to use emacs to write a vim clone in java called bunny slippers!02:25
smharangasule, oh, I had a question about vim in mind but good that you told me this :-002:26
luke-jrasj: then C++ is not a language either02:26
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asjluke-jr: <boggle> :)02:26
angasulekerio: that probably exists, there is a variant of rule 34 which has emacs instead of pr0n02:26
luke-jrC++ was originally implemented with just a preprocessor like moc02:26
keriook, i call rule 34 on emacs/vim slash02:27
angasulekerio: have you seen the embedded google maps in emacs?02:27
asjluke-jr: unix also ran on a pdp-11, but that doesn't make an n900 a pdp-11 :)02:27
luke-jrasj: terrible logic02:27
asj(ignoring the fact that linux isn't unix)02:27
luke-jrthere is nothing C++ changes of C that Qt doesn't also change of C++02:28
asjluke-jr: bzzt, try again02:28
jaem_n900What are we arguing about?02:28
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luke-jrjaem_n900: asj is just claiming Qt isn't a language02:28
Shapeshifter"Is Qt a programming language"02:28
asjjaem_n900: emacs is better than vi02:28
angasulejaem_n900: anything and everything, apparently02:28
angasuleasj: but vim is better than emacs!02:29
keriohaha wtf M-x google-maps02:29
smharis maemo dead02:29
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dotblanksmhar, No!02:29
luke-jrMaemo is dead, but hasn't begun rotting yet02:29
Shapeshifterluke-jr: Nah I don't see how Qt qualifies as a "language". It's a framework that uses C++ <and other stuff> but you can hardly claim a framework that uses different languages is a new language.02:29
dotblankit lives on02:29
pebfolks, why can't I run MS-DOS on the N900? I learned to program for it and I'm still able to write programs for the OS even sleeping ...02:30
smharI mean that as additional flame to the arguments going on :-002:30
luke-jrShapeshifter: then C++ is merely a framework on top of C02:30
dotblankits zombie children have infected meego02:30
luke-jrpeb: dunno, works for me!02:30
jaem_n900peb, you can02:30
asjpeb: the N900 has no disks, so it can't run dos ;)02:30
smharpeb, there is a dosbox emulator for N90002:30
luke-jrheck, even my N810 runs DOS fine02:30
MohammadAG51peb cause ms dos was never buolt for arm, and you can qemu02:30
luke-jrMohammadAG51: ???02:30
pebajs, the HP200lx also has no disk (everything in ram/rom), so it should be possible ....02:30
keriopeb: apt-get install dosbox02:30
b-manMohammadAG51: got dsme working like a charm in debian :)02:30
b-manMohammadAG51: no longer need watchdog packages02:31
MohammadAG51b-man, heh02:31
b-manMohammadAG51: i tried it in ubuntu02:31
luke-jroh, you're righty02:31
luke-jrthere is no DOS port to ARM02:31
b-manbut i still had no luck02:31
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MohammadAG51b-man, i'll test it tomorrow02:32
MohammadAG51no charged batteries for tonight02:32
Shapeshifterluke-jr: let's ask them02:32
angasulekerio: I can't find it now, but someone did that in vim too02:32
Shapeshifterlet's see...02:32
Shapeshifter"Intuitive C++ class library"02:32
luke-jrShapeshifter: no, Nokia are idiots :P02:32
luke-jras were the Trolls02:32
Shapeshifterthere's a link to "development tools"02:33
luke-jror rather, they're too good at marketting02:33
Shapeshifter"An advanced C++ code editor"02:33
luke-jrthey know "innovative new language" won't sell like "C++ toolkit"02:33
keriosince when is C++ intuitive?02:33
pebfolks, thanks for the answers. I was making fun and feld transfered back to the time when we discussed why C is better than C++. The quesiton was, how to start programming for the N900. Summary seems to be: Python, QT.02:33
Shapeshifterlet's go to "programming support"02:33
Shapeshifter"Qt provides an intuitive C++ class library with a rich set of application build blocks for C++ development"02:33
b-manluke-jr: i think the udev problem has to do with sysfs legacy support02:33
ShapeshifterQt adds the following features to C++: stuff02:33
luke-jrShapeshifter: it's all marketting :)02:33
kerionow python, that's an intuitive language02:33
Shapeshifterluke-jr: oh okay02:33
Shapeshifteryou must know02:33
b-manluke-jr: in ubuntu02:33
luke-jrb-man: ...02:34
pebmsg peb <-- starts of and searches his old COBOL binaries, they shall run on the N900 ...02:34
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asjluke-jr: if everyone but you is an idiot, maybe.... ;)02:34
luke-jrwhat does C++ have that Qt does not?02:34
MohammadAG51two +s and a C02:34
lcukpeb, doesnt gcc support cobol?02:35
asjluke-jr: what does C have that glibc does not?02:35
jaem_n900MohammadAG51, correct, but entirely unhelpful02:35
jaem_n900You get two Internets and a demerit02:35
luke-jrasj: glibc is [part of] an implementation of C02:35
Shapeshifterluke-jr: well, according to your logic, a car is also a wheel02:35
Shapeshifterbecause it has wheels02:35
asjluke-jr: it does not implement C02:35
b-manluke-jr: i think the watchdog problem had something to do udev which complains about sysfs legacy support in ubuntu (sorry for not being clear - trying to do two things at once atm ;P)02:36
MohammadAG51lol jaem_n90002:36
asjactually that's probably slightly wrong, but anyways02:36
luke-jrShapeshifter: uh no, that's YOUR logic02:36
luke-jryou're saying a car (Qt) is also a wheel (C++)02:37
MohammadAG51lame argument02:37
Shapeshifterthat's what you say02:37
* MohammadAG51 throws away popcorn02:37
luke-jranyhow, time for me to go02:37
* kerio catches the popcorn02:37
* MohammadAG51 laughs at the acid spilling on kerio from it02:38
kerioi have acid resistance02:38
lcukso does internet explorer 602:38
MohammadAG51my acid is acid resistance resistant02:38
kerioMohammadAG51: i also have acid resistance resistant acid resistance02:39
* asj beats kerio 02:39
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MohammadAG51but you didn't have that on kerio02:39
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* lcuk puts a bag of open source popcorn into autobuilder :P02:41
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* lcuk resubmits after bumping popcorn version02:42
keriowtf? i built the last popcorn here and it worked02:44
MohammadAG51shut up, you died cause of acidified popcorn02:44
kerioman, the respawn times are looooong02:45
MohammadAG51you can make zombie/ghost sounds if you want02:45
MohammadAG51respawn is disabled in map: real life02:45
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DrGrovGuys, what was that bug number for the failed call forwarding?02:58
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lcukwiretapped, isnt that comment meant to be on twitter in context :P03:01
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lcukim sat here with half a spec03:01
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DocScrutinizerMohammadAG51: what's up with that bq24150 module in your buntkuh image??03:21
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SpeedEvilHadn't realised quite how hungry 3G was. Discharging in 4h or so plugged into USB. (streaming video)04:02
asjSpeedEvil: between video decode, screen backlight and 3g...04:05
SpeedEvilnaah - streaming over USB04:05
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asjah, charging over usb too?04:06
Arkenoiinstalling dbus-switchboard was a mistake, it ruined most useful associations and replaced it with useless ones.04:07
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DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: yep, the figure of 3G = wlan * 3  is more like * 3004:12
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SpeedEvilyes - I was meaning worstcase maxing each04:14
SpeedEvilWhich of course for the same datarate, powersaved, wlan would not.04:15
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yigalBunin and lootin tonight04:54
yigalBunin and lootin tonight04:54
yigalto survive04:54
yigalbunin all illusions tonight04:54
* LiraNuna takes out the disco ball04:54
yigalI'm drunk let me be, :(04:54
yigaloh I see you're helping, sweet04:55
yigalya man04:55
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Macerthose are some pretty awesome machines they used to cap that oil leak :)05:00
SpeedEvilThey were really disposable mexicans.05:00
yigalwhales, dolphins, etc05:01
yigalmostly Mexicans05:01
Maceryou would think bp would have worked to train some dolphins05:01
Macerdolphins are pretty smart. i bet they would have capped it in 10 minutes05:02
Macerand saved the lives of all the people on the rig05:02
Macerwell. the ones that got blown overboard at least05:03
yigalDouglas Adams would agree05:04
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SpeedEvilThe problem is that where is the incentive for the dolphins.05:04
SpeedEvilThey like fried food.05:04
Macerfried fish!05:04
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yigalat least it's oily05:05
yigalwas that too uncouth05:13
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SpeedEvilI for one welcome our new Dolphin overlords.05:15
pigeonhmm, seems to have a bug with modest + nokia messaging when you have extra folder sync other the main inbox, clicking on the new mail notification always bring up a fail dialog saying the mail does not exist or something.05:18
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yigalwhat an existential moment05:19
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ColdFyreis it me or is the application manager in pr 1.2 slow and does not sort things properly?05:27
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asjColdFyre: install Fast Application Manager05:35
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sobczykasj: what is the package name of this app manager?05:43
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asjsobczyk: don't know off the top of my head05:44
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asjah mn, fapman05:44
asjit's slow on first load, but it's great after that05:45
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pigeonhmm, stupid question, in the n900 calender, there are categories/colors like N900 (blue) and Private (green). Where do I add new ones or edit them?05:52
ColdFyreso many jokes could be made05:52
SpeedEvilAnd ahve been.05:53
asjpigeon: calendar->settings->Edit Cal05:53
pigeonah, settings, edit calendar.05:53
pigeonasj: thanks05:53
pigeoni saw it first, it wasn't obvious what that was.05:53
yigalwell you're king of the mountain you found it first, but your reign means nothing as you didn't understand the wealth you had discovered05:55
yigalough I'm the show stopper, my apologies05:57
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Pforcemy dropbox client
Pforcei still have to learn py dep packaging to get these into extras-devel06:53
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asjPforce: looks cool07:06
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Pforceasj: yeh thanks07:35
Pforceposted more to the forums07:36
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* RST38h moos approvingly07:54
asjhe might be a Dick, but I feel sorry for him07:55
RST38hWhy, they are simply making his construction complete.07:56
RST38hHeya Stskeeps, wazd07:56
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slonopotamusStskeeps: quick, compile fb_text2screen!07:58
StskeepsRST38h: cyborg cheney07:59
Stskeepsslonopotamus: 7am, not working yet08:01
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TermanaN900yay its come. i am officially a sheep08:48
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StskeepsTermanaN900: congrats!08:49
Stskeepsluke-jr: ping08:51
Macera sheep?08:51
luke-jrStskeeps: pong08:51
TermanaN900Stskeeps: thanks! certainly smaller than i thought especially the keyboard08:51
Stskeepsluke-jr: we don't have cpu frequency scaling in 2.6.35 and such do we08:51
Stskeepsin n8x008:51
luke-jrdunno :x08:52
luke-jrmy N810 is booted to diablo right now08:52
luke-jrand I'm kinda setup fro N900 kernel stuff atm08:52
Stskeepsluke-jr: because i just figured the other day that we might actually be running at lowest cpufreq - at least my kernel has a empty cpufreq directory08:52
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Stskeepsluke-jr: and i think there's no DVFS, which doesn't help matters..08:53
luke-jrStskeeps: what are the current problems w/ kexec btw?08:53
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Stskeepsluke-jr: on n900? there's some weird interaction with panel driver that causes dss2 to go amok with dmesg output08:54
Stskeepsin case of reinitialization08:55
luke-jrany idea if it's safe to install my new kernel via dd to /dev/mtd3 (with offset 0x800)08:56
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* luke-jr peers at N900's included flasher app...08:58
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luke-jrSuitable USB device not found, waiting.08:58
luke-jrStskeeps: was just pondering the idea of a specialized kernel with bootmenu rootfs, that's all :p09:00
Stskeepsyou are aware we have initrd on n900?09:00
luke-jrself-contained etc09:00
luke-jrI'm aware a partition exists. I'm not aware of it being used...09:00
Stskeepsit works, we have a rescue initrd thing09:00
luke-jr*now* someone tells me, after I fought with recovery the other day... XD09:01
pebmorning folks :-)09:01
luke-jrended up getting a kernel to boot Gentoo (for the first time) from where I fixed Maemo09:01
luke-jrStskeeps: can it rescue a broken /sbin/preinit? :p09:01
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Stskeepspossibly, but more functionality needed :P09:02
luke-jrStskeeps: why not just make a single kernel image with the rootfs embedded?09:02
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Stskeepsinitrd's easier09:03
luke-jrI disagree :P09:03
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TermanaN900installing apps is a lot faster on the n900 than the n81009:04
TermanaN900i should probably stop because i will need to flash to pr 1.209:05
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luke-jrI find N900 app manager rather slow09:05
luke-jrbut whatever09:05
Stskeepscompared to gentoo compiles?09:05
luke-jrI flashed my kernel09:05
luke-jrStskeeps: no :p09:05
Stskeepsbut yeah09:05
luke-jrpotentially interesting fact: I flashed a custom kernel to N900 before N81009:05
Stskeepscompared to rpm and what i've seen zypper do, app manager/apt is dead slow09:06
luke-jrapt isn't slow...09:06
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luke-jrjust app manager09:06
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luke-jrLinux Nokia-N900 2.6.28-omap1-gcc44 #1 PREEMPT Thu Jul 15 16:28:33 CDT 2010 armv7l unknown09:06
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TermanaN900luke-jr: my n810 sits there for at least 10 minutes saying its updating and doing nothing09:15
Maceri think it is slow too09:15
TermanaN900the n900 goes straight in for me09:15
pigeonon the n900, if i have the gps enabled in the settings, but no apps is using the gps, is the gps powered off?09:16
luke-jrpigeon: if the GPS isn't in the status area, it's off09:17
pigeoncool, thanks.09:17
Macerthe gps seems a little meh09:17
Macerlike geotagging photos for me doesnt seem to work that well09:17
Stskeepsgeotagging is kinda shit09:18
Macerit also seems to take forever for a lock09:18
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Macerand ovi maps is kind of horrible09:19
Stskeepsi bought sygic, fairly happy with it09:19
Macerbelieve it or not. google nav was awesome on my g109:19
Macerit did a great job09:19
luke-jr16 line shell script to force all outbound connections on port 80, 443, or 6667 over GPRS into a SOCKS proxy09:20
luke-jr(also spawns ssh with -D)09:20
luke-jrunfortunately, I am learning why T-Mobile claims they don't have service here09:21
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luke-jrcoverage kinda sucks09:21
luke-jrand today when I had 3.5G, it didn't work well enough for SIP :(09:22
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Macerno. it is because what you are doing doesnt work09:22
Macerskype works pretty good over 3G09:22
luke-jrMacer: it works fine at home09:22
luke-jrjust not with T-Mobile's not so great coverage out and about09:22
Macergoing to install meego next week and see where it is09:23
Maceri suppose all that matters is that nokia provides the hardware support and ditches maemo altogether09:24
LiraNuna<Macer> skype works pretty good over 3G09:24
Macerafter the n900 they probably will only use qt based symbian for all their stuff09:24
MacerLiraNuna: yeah. it is great09:25
LiraNunaSF bay area is flooded with 3.5G, but all I get is ~100kbps09:25
Maceri used like 10 mins of actual phone minutes last month :)09:25
LiraNunaMacer, yeah, same09:25
Maceri am wondering how long that will last09:26
LiraNunaI love the skype integration09:26
LiraNunaMacer, you just took the words out of my mouth09:26
Macerim sure tmob will screw everybody over soon enough09:26
Maceri was happy it grabbed all my skype contacts09:26
LiraNunaI was thinking more of Meego09:26
StskeepsMacer: actually they are ditching symbian on anything N-series for meego09:26
Macerthat was a surprise09:26
MacerStskeeps: so they say :)09:27
* Macer looks at the N809:27
LiraNunaN8 is last to use Symbian09:27
Maceri will believe it when i see it :)09:27
Macersymbian looks nice tho09:28
Macerthe n8 symbian does09:28
Macerthey changed it quite a bit09:28
luke-jrSkype sucks09:29
Macerluke-jr: to each their own. i love it09:30
Macer$2/month for phone service suits me09:30
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Maceri mean. it is voice :) as long as i can talk i am happy09:30
Maceri even got the house cordless handsets a couple of years ago09:31
luke-jrthen get a dumb phone09:31
Macerwhen vonage is making people pay $25+ for what skype offers09:31
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Macerwhat a racket09:31
luke-jrVonage is just a leech09:31
Macerso is skype09:32
luke-jryes, Skype leeches from YOU09:32
Macerbut i dont care. i pay $2/month09:32
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luke-jrVonage leeches from you too, but a bit more obviously09:32
luke-jrMacer: $2/mo + giving skype control of your computer09:32
Macerof my n900?09:32
luke-jrSkype is a virus09:32
Macerand cordless phones?09:32
Macerthe phones have a base that connects right into my switch09:33
luke-jrthough I presume N900 version is minus the virus part09:33
luke-jrMacer: packet sniff it09:33
Macer:) i can deal with the base being infected09:33
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luke-jrnormal Skype at least will hijack your connection09:33
Macerand do what?09:34
Macersend spam? :)09:34
luke-jrand use your paid for bandwidth09:34
luke-jrfor other people's calls09:34
luke-jrand who knows what else09:34
luke-jrnobody since Skype encrypts it all09:34
Macerwell. i am not noticing any extra pkts09:35
Macerand i watched my ddwrt charts.. traffic is normal09:35
* luke-jr ponders stuffing telepathy-spirit into a VE09:35
luke-jrMacer: like I said, telepathy-spirit is presumably not vulnerable09:35
Macerand for $2/month.. they can take a measley 64kbit of bandwidth09:35
luke-jrNokia's not dumb enough to let Skype hijack 3G connections IMO09:36
luke-jr64kbit is quite a bit when your ISP caps you at 5 GB09:36
luke-jreven 56kbit dialup can do over 5 GB09:36
Kegetysit would be quite crazy if mobile skype would do that09:37
luke-jrmy guess: Skype collects royalties from Nokia for a virus-free integrated version09:38
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slonopotamusStskeeps, ping10:12
jacekowskiDocScrutinizer: are you there?10:14
jacekowskiDocScrutinizer: where is the spec?10:14
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wazdRST38h: o/10:28
TermanaHeh, maybe its just me - but is there a reason why the N900 sometimes won't charge with the power cable but will with the usb cable?10:29
doc|homebuggered power cable?10:30
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Termanadoc|home, only got it today, so I hope not10:30
doc|homeTermana: what colour is the led when you plug it in?10:31
Termanadoc|home, no led colour10:31
X-FadeTermana: Original charger?10:31
doc|homelooks like it's the charger then10:31
TermanaX-Fade, yep10:31
TermanaCould it not be getting enough power if its on a power board? (6 plug power board)10:32
X-FadeTermana: So sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't?10:33
doc|homeX-Fade: possily10:33
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doc|homebah, I'm not following this well enough. night10:34
TermanaX-Fade, hmm, I think I know what the problem is10:34
X-FadeTermana: USB connector EOL :)10:35
TermanaX-Fade, overseas model, so I'm using a travel charger. It seems to be loose10:35
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TermanaX-Fade, ha ha, please do not curse me with the USB connector curse :P10:36
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exomondo@x-fade because the n900 uses microusb some 'dumb' charges wont negotiate a voltage so it wont charge10:50
Jaffaexomondo: That's because they don't follow the USB charging spec. You've got to short the middle two pins.10:51
Jaffaexomondo: I've bought an external portable charger (tried a few) and have to do that. Wish I could buy a stubby USB A male/female adapter cable which did that shorting.10:51
exomondoah right10:53
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BCMMJaffa: would be cool, but in theory chargers that won't negotiate or short D+ to D- are claiming to be low-current, and presumably a few actually will destroy themselves11:07
BCMMit seems improbable, but i suppose you could have a very poorly designed one that could provide exactly as much current as the device it came with can draw11:08
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D-Iivil_WorkSomebody help me please:
X-FadeD-Iivil_Work: You should see some changelog show up for your packages soon ;)11:11
D-Iivil_WorkX-Fade, let me see :) Just uploaded a new package :)11:11
JaffaBCMM: Presumably as long as you checked the output current for the charger (or its claimed output current, anyway); it should be fine...11:11
D-Iivil_WorkX-Fade, cool!11:11
X-FadeD-Iivil_Work: I'm currently running an import round against everything in extas-devel.11:11
BCMMJaffa: of course11:11
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D-Iivil_WorkX-Fade, thanks for fixing that :)11:13
D-Iivil_WorkX-Fade, seems like still the latest upload didn't update the changes:
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X-FadeD-Iivil_Work: No, live update still has issues. The import will fix this later.11:18
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D-Iivil_WorkX-Fade, okay. Cool.11:21
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keriohow do you disable automatic updates again?11:24
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ham5gconftool -s -t int /apps/hildon/update-notifier/check_interval -NUMBERINMINUTES-11:45
ham5set the minutes to check to like 90000000000 ;)11:45
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hurbuit over 9000000000011:47
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DocScrutinizerjacekowski: moo, sorry fell asleep11:52
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* alterego wonders why ubuntu/gnome don't have decent bluetooth gsm modem support.12:22
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RZHi is it just me or does the last version of maemo make N900 slower?12:26
hajIt's just you..12:28
alteregoRZ just you I think :P12:28
alteregoI found it noticably snappier, did you to OTA update of reflash?12:28
* alterego has just woken up, excuse the poor typing/spelling etc :D12:29
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X-FadeMohammadAG51: ping?12:33
alteregoI wonder what the results of Apples crash meeting yesterday were.12:33
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ham5feel asleep with my n900 woke up and it was froze I couldent get the screen on... pluged it into the charger and the charge led came on... I ended up having to remove the battery and boot it back up12:35
ham5could I have done something else to reboot or find out what caused it?12:36
mgedminyou could've held down the power button12:36
ham5dindt do anything12:37
mgedminthat would turn it off (or on if it was already off)12:37
alteregoSometimes that doesn't work, I've had mine lock a couple of times.12:37
mgedminthere was once a wlan bug that caused very heavy swapping, so much that turning it off took like 3 minutes12:37
mgedminbut it's been fixed12:37
mgedminI've ssh on my n90012:37
mgedminif it's not responsive, I try to ssh in and see what's happening12:38
ham5sit there and hold the power button for 3min ?12:38
mgedmintop, dmesg, vmstat12:38
ham5thats a good idea12:38
mgedminno, I think I held the power button for the required 5 secs12:38
mgedminand then waited 3 minutes for it to shut down12:38
alteregoThis is more like a crash of some kind. It's especially cool when it happens in the middle of a transition :)12:38
SpeedEvilholding in power button for over 10s should work12:38
SpeedEvilI think 10s requires some of the watchdogs to have failed - 5s is still software12:39
SpeedEvilnot completely sure though12:39
SpeedEvilssh in is good12:39
alteregoOh, okay, I'll try to be more investigatory next time :D12:39
ham5when the crap shouldent of happened in the first place tho ;)12:40
ham5whats a good maemo uptime? ;)12:40
SpeedEvilI typically go a week or two12:40
SpeedEvilI sometimes get it into a state where it won't login to my wireless network for some reason or other12:41
SpeedEvilso reboot12:41
SpeedEvilI should in principle debug it - but ICD being in the way makes that almost impractical12:41
ham5implantable cardioverter-defibrillator?12:42
alteregoI usually reboot every two days or so12:42
SpeedEvilInternet Connection Daemon12:42
alteregoJust to keep it quick :)12:42
SpeedEvilIt's the bit of closed-source stuff that handles connections12:42
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T-CoHello. (I didn't google yet anything) I did apt-get dist-upgrade to my N900 and now it keeps rebooting. Is there something I can do to recover from this?12:50
SpeedEvilFlash it.12:50
T-CoDo I need windows to do it?12:50
infobotsomebody said flashing was
SpeedEvilDist-upgrade is usually bad AIUI12:51
SpeedEvilIt sometimes has worked in the past12:51
SpeedEvilBut the boot scripts are not designed to be robust in the face of changing versions forex12:51
RZ#alterego It was updated for me in factory in Finland :)12:55
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jacekowskiMohammadAG51: ping13:00
T-CoIt says here that I first need to flash FIASCO and then eMMC. Where can I get the FIASCO image?13:02
ham5for the n90013:03
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T-Coham5, I can only see eMMC images there, should the FIASCO image be there too?13:04
jacekowskithat's fiasco image13:04
jacekowskidoes sticking n900 into an x-ray voids a warranty?13:05
Stskeepsjacekowski: airports..13:05
jacekowskihigh powered x-ray?13:05
Stskeepsthey don't have to know that13:05
alteregoAlmost got my scratchbox VM setup ...13:05
jacekowskibtw. i had question for you13:05
jacekowski00:15 < jacekowski> Stskeeps: do you have mj-174?13:06
Stskeepsa what?13:06
Stskeepsno, i don't believe it's called that13:06
jacekowskil3_l4 manual13:06
jacekowskilet me check13:06
Stskeepswhat is it supposed to do?13:06
jacekowskiMJ-174 can be used for flashing  as well as for RF, battery and system testing13:07
Stskeepswiki's down and i dont have it at hand13:07
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alteregoThey really are late with the harmattan SDK this year.13:08
alteregoMust be doing a lot of work on it ..13:08
Robot101rewriting over half of everything? :P13:10
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IcanCUwill there be a meago device this year?13:16
X-FadeThere won't be any 'meago' devices ever.13:17
X-FadeMeeGo ones, well that is more probable :)13:17
MohammadAG51jacekowski, pong13:17
X-FadeMohammadAG51: perl-modules landed in SSU repo ;)13:17
MohammadAG51yay :D13:17
X-FadeI removed it from non-free.13:18
MohammadAG51X-Fade, thanks a mil :)13:18
X-FadeWill index the repos later today, so the interface shows it properly too,13:18
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X-FadeBut first.. lunch :)13:18
jacekowskiMohammadAG51: 23:39 < DocScrutinizer> jacekowski: o.O  (bq24150 module included in image)
jacekowskiMohammadAG51: bq24150 module included in image?13:19
SyncAhi all13:19
jacekowskiMohammadAG51: where did it came from and etc?13:19
IcanCUhow come this is such a busy chanel? isn;t maemo legacy?13:19
MohammadAG51jacekowski, matan13:19
* kthomas_vh neglects to feed the troll13:19
X-FadeIcanCU: maemo is present. Meego is future.13:19
IcanCUbut that doesn't explain it all13:20
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X-FadeIcanCU: Buy a MeeGo phone now then?13:20
DocScrutinizerlcuk: 4213:20
lcuk42 what?13:21
DocScrutinizerIcanCU: 4213:21
MohammadAG51bottles of beer on the wall?13:21
DocScrutinizerlcuk: sorry etab13:21
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DocScrutinizerjacekowski: so are we going to care about matan?13:23
DocScrutinizeror do we say 'screwit, google couldn't find it'13:23
kerioMohammadAG51: is gnome usable on the n900?13:23
SyncAI have this problem where half the time I end up rejecting calls because the screen flips and I accidently push the wrong button, wich appears where the answer button normally sits. can anybody relate?13:24
toggles_wlol, me too13:24
kerioSyncA: i don't receive calls13:24
SpeedEvilSyncA: there is/was an open bug on that.13:24
MohammadAG51kerio, yes, when the mouse pointer works properly13:25
SyncAkerio lol13:25
SpeedEvilBut for me the existing solution works exactly 100% of the time.13:25
SpeedEvilFor all 1 of my inbound calls.13:25
MohammadAG51I sometimes reach for the red button13:25
SyncAspeedevil, ok thanks, can/should I contribute to that?13:25
DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: as you receive exactly 0 calls13:25
DocScrutinizeroh 113:26
SyncAand that existing solution is?13:26
DocScrutinizerSyncA: patience13:26
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jacekowskiwhat'a matan?13:26
DocScrutinizerSyncA: anticipate the pending transition, and wait until it finished13:26
MohammadAG51i backported the new hildon-desktop13:27
DocScrutinizerjacekowski: exactly :-P13:27
MohammadAG51it fixes some call rotation crap13:27
kerioor set the telephone to "landscape only"13:27
MohammadAG51what if you're using portrait :P13:27
kerioset it to portrait only13:28
MohammadAG51what if you're using landscape :P13:28
SyncAdocs indeed, I try to, doesn't work all the time;)13:28
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SyncAwhat if you want it to switch? ;)13:29
DocScrutinizerSyncA: so let's go UX-guys-bashing13:29
jacekowskii could mod that and use that for fuel gauge13:29
MohammadAG51yes, there should've been send/end buttons13:29
SyncAI'm not the bashing type of guy13:30
DocScrutinizerjacekowski: err wut?13:30
SpeedEvilcaveat with that code is that the battery instastantaenous current is reported in units of 3.57/20mA13:30
SpeedEviland it only breaks out raw percentage, not more useful figures13:30
DocScrutinizerhow odd13:31
SpeedEvilyou want at least capacity13:31
RZWhat happened to the game Under the steel sky?13:31
jacekowskiwell, i still need charger chip driver13:31
jacekowskiso i'll do that13:31
jacekowskiand then bother about fuel gauge13:31
kerioRZ: it sucks13:31
DocScrutinizerwtf, go openmoko sourcetree and fetch the bq27000 driver there13:31
RZIt was in the repos and now it is missing.13:31
RZI quite liked it.13:31
alterego"Under a steel sky" I realy liked it.13:32
jacekowskihmm, i've enabled comments on my "blog"13:32
jacekowskiand now i regret it13:32
alteregoWould prefer flashback though tbh ..13:32
kerioand it's not under13:32
kerioit's beneath13:32
keriobeneath a steel sky13:32
alteregoOh yeah, "Beneath a steel sky" :)13:32
jacekowskii want to test.13:32
jacekowskii want to test.13:32
jacekowskii need chrome13:32
jacekowskii need chrome13:32
jacekowskiI want to quote your post in my blog. It can?13:32
jacekowskiAnd you et an account on Twitter?13:32
alteregoStill prefered flashback13:32
DocScrutinizerjacekowski: you'd think there should be a bq24150.c driver in
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jacekowskiDocScrutinizer: nothing there13:33
jacekowskii'll make my own13:34
DocScrutinizerwhat is a matan? anyway13:34
RZYeah sorry. It has been a  a while since I last played it. I finished it but now it is missing from the repos. Together with some other programs.13:34
jacekowskii think it's who13:34
SyncAok, gonna leave it in landscape, (it was set in portrait only mode, so that's not the solution)13:34
DocScrutinizerjacekowski: yup! wait a little. Sorry for me being late like always. you'll get the specs in a short while13:34
SyncAthanks guys, gonna leave you to it13:34
DocScrutinizerjacekowski: (who) no, what. on purpose13:35
keriojacekowski: oh, you have a repo now13:35
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keriocan i just apt-get remove hildon-update-notifier or something?13:36
jacekowskiit's just a notifier13:38
* MohammadAG51 votes to burn mp-fremantle-generic-pr13:39
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keriosetting a huge autoupdate interval is a ugly hack13:40
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MohammadAG51kerio, purge the app manager :P13:41
kerioapt-get remove apt* dpkg*13:43
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jacekowskiisn't that update called from alarmd13:44
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MohammadAG51kerio, nothing, you'd have to go gentoo-ish though13:46
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keriois the update-notifier/check_interval relative to the boot time?14:06
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kerioor the last update time?14:07
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keriobecause if so, i can reliably set it to a couple of years - i'll definetely check for updates more often than that14:07
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TMMDoes anyone here have a suggestion for a good case for the N900?14:11
ham5I just got a good screen protector for mine14:13
SpeedEvilI got a bad one from ebay - case14:14
SpeedEvilbut it was 5 pounds for 314:14
SpeedEvilso it works for me14:14
kerioi bought it used, it has one, but i removed it14:14
SpeedEvila screen protector?14:14
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SpeedEvilI'd recommend using one personally14:15
SpeedEvilthey are very cheap14:15
kerioscreen protectors suck14:15
SpeedEvilthe screen is, however plastic14:15
ham5heard the n900 scratches easy14:15
SpeedEvilthough it may be somewhat scratch resistant, accidents happen14:15
MohammadAG51the screen yes, the device, not really14:15
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MohammadAG51i like to refer to that as shit® happens14:16
SpeedEvilFor example, I went gardening, and put the seccateurs in the wrong pocket and bent down and up a couple of hundred times14:16
kerioham5: once it's too ruined to use reliably, buy another cover14:16
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SpeedEvilReplacing the cover is _not_ risk free14:16
kerioSpeedEvil: did the screen scratch?14:16
SpeedEvilI had a screen protector.14:16
SpeedEvilIt was nearly opaque over 1/4 of the surface14:16
SpeedEvilscreen was pristine though.14:17
SpeedEvilbecase a couple of hundred deep scratches will do that14:17
kerioi have a couple of scratches on the screen as of now14:18
kerioonly one was made by me thoughh14:18
SpeedEvilIt depends on how you se the device - if you are not in a gritty environment, and don't ever have it outside of a pocket where you never, ever put anything else, and use it with fingers only - maybe.14:19
alteregoscratchbox installed ...14:19
TMMa screen protector is one of those extra pieces of plastic that you tape over the screen, right?14:20
kerioSpeedEvil: i'm going to the beach daily :314:20
MohammadAG51tape isn't a good word14:20
alteregoTMM: you don't tape them ....14:20
kerioTMM: yup14:21
TMMwell, sticks, whatever14:21
TMMI don't like those much14:21
MohammadAG51doesn't stick14:21
kerioSpeedEvil: can't i just change the cover when it's too damaged instead of putting another one over this one?14:21
MohammadAG51i've scrubbed (yes, scrubbed) mine on the "sticky" part many times14:21
keriowhat are the risks?14:21
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MohammadAG51changing the whole faceplate?14:22
X-FadeMohammadAG51: Is there a nice way to quit fronzen bubble btw?14:22
kerioMohammadAG51: sure, why not14:22
MohammadAG51X-Fade, comma button, sadly no esc on the N90014:22
MohammadAG51kerio, heh, ask DocScrutinizer14:22
kerioDocScrutinizer: question14:23
SpeedEvilkerio: DocScrutinizer managed to brick his device doing this14:23
keriowait, what14:23
SpeedEvilkerio: the connector is quite fragile14:23
X-FadeMohammadAG51: How about adding it to 'q' or backspace? ;)14:23
kerioi'll send it to nokia then14:23
TMMI'll just get the official nokia n900 pouch thingy then14:24
TMMI'll cut a hole in it for the jack14:24
MohammadAG51X-Fade, backspace and q are needed for typing the name in highscores :(14:24
MohammadAG51i hate cases14:24
SpeedEvil I have14:24
X-FadeMohammadAG51: Overlay a big X in the corner? :) Where there is nothing anyway?14:25
SpeedEvilFor me - cases arealmost mandaroty14:25
SpeedEvilthey add some protection when dropped14:25
keriowhy would you drop it14:25
MohammadAG51X-Fade, hmm, good point14:25
MohammadAG51kerio, shit happens14:25
keriolet's add extra cases to everything!14:28
kerioi need to buy a case for my tv, in case it drops14:28
TMMwell, for a phone I think it's a bit more reasonable than a TV :P14:28
kerioTMM: well, the n900 is not a phone14:29
TMMI don't accidentally put my keys in the same pocket as my tv14:29
MohammadAG51TMM, you put your TV in a pocket? :P14:29
TMMMohammadAG51, no, that's kind of the point of my little sarcastic remark ;)14:29
MohammadAG51TMM, you missed the sarcasm :P14:30
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TMManyway, I got that nokia n900 pouch, at least it LOOKS nice :P14:30
keriook, 10 years between each autoupdate14:30
MohammadAG51yay, found a 37" screen protector14:30
kerioit still feels like a ugly hack though14:30
MohammadAG51kerio, now overclock your device so it dies in less than a year14:31
MohammadAG51-> no autoupdate14:31
TMMyou can overclock the n900?14:31
kerioi solve both the autoupdate *and* the scratching problem this way14:31
TMMwhy would you want to do that? it seems plenty fast to me14:31
kerioTMM: yup14:31
ham51g plenty faster tho ;)14:32
SpeedEvilkerio: I have accidentally thrown my n900 across the room once, and dropped it 3 or 4 times now.14:32
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kerioSpeedEvil: hahaha you *threw* your n90014:32
lcukSpeedEvil, accidentally thrown?14:32
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keriohow can you accidentally throw something14:32
MohammadAG51TMM, if you're a (Nokia) murderer I don't see why you wouldn't do it14:32
lcukplaying n900fly?14:32
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TMMyeah, the battery life is already SO great why NOT overclock? ;)14:32
SpeedEvilYou put it down on the blanket in your bed, and forget about it, and then flip the blanket off, to get up14:32
TMMSpeedEvil, I've launched many a remote that way :P14:33
MohammadAG51was n900fly running?14:33
lcukTMM, sarcasm gets you nowhere, the battery life is impressive and gotten better and better with each update14:33
kerioSpeedEvil: well, my mother's 8310 survived a... 20mt drop14:33
lcuklol SpeedEvil14:33
lcukSpeedEvil, tracy once almost knocked me out by "nudging" a chocolate bar on the bed14:33
lcukshe nudged it so hard it flew in similar manner14:34
kerioand by survived i mean it worked flawlessy afterwards14:34
keriowithout a single scratch14:34
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MohammadAG51lcuk, although battery life is better, it doesn't last a day14:34
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kerioi want a 8310-sized n900 with the same battery duration :(14:34
MohammadAG51first bar gone14:34
lcukMohammadAG51, hmm?14:34
SpeedEvilkerio: 3? - certainly 2 - people here have come with complaints that their emmc has failed after a drop14:34
lcukworks for me14:34
* lcuk looks at 3 n900s and wonders which will drain battery first14:35
SpeedEvil20m onto what?14:35
kerio20m is enough to reach terminal velocity14:35
MohammadAG51damn middle east, can't find a BH-214 :/14:35
SpeedEvilIt's not14:35
SpeedEvilnot for something relatively dense like a phone14:36
keriogood point14:36
kerioit was also incredibly small14:36
kerio(it was light though)14:36
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SpeedEvilit may be somewhat slowed down though14:36
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dotblankthe battery life on my phone is insaine14:39
dotblankI just forget to charge it now....14:40
dotblankI used to always charge it14:40
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lcukdotblank, still not sussed it :P14:44
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TMMlcuk, I'd call the battery life 'pretty good' considering the features of the device. But 'good' when it comes to mobile phones, not really.14:55
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SpeedEvilIt depends.14:57
SpeedEvilLeave it idle, wifi off, waiting for calls and not doing anything more, and it can get close to a week14:57
lcuktmm compare like for like, sure we have not yet got to the heady days of battery life measured in weeks (as the n810 has!)14:57
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lcuklol SpeedEvil14:58
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SpeedEvilIt should be able to get over a week, with the right settings - but the default setup does not support suspend properly, and wakes the device14:59
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kerioSpeedEvil: over a weeek is what a dumbphone gets in full usage15:06
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SpeedEvilTheir screens tend to be _lots_ lower power though15:07
lcukkerio, then get a dumbphone15:07
* lcuk likes having power to make magic15:07
kerioSpeedEvil: my laptop lasts longer15:07
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lcukkerio, your laptop also has a bigger battery15:07
keriolcuk: but a way bigger screen, and the cpu takes more power15:09
lcukkerio, get a mugen battery15:09
psycho_oreosjust get extra power :) it keeps your device charging without having to swap out batteries15:10
alteregoI was thinking, with a mugen battery, you could just use the normal battery but use their custom back plate to allow for more space to stick something like, a digital compass or some other hardware :)15:10
lcuksure alterego if its held in place15:11
alteregoSomething that attaches to the serial port maybe ..15:11
lcuki noticed inside n900 thers a strange almost appendixish blanking plate15:11
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lcuk(see teardown vids)15:11
alteregoRight, installing a 32bit ubuntu 10.04 for Nokia Qt SDK so I can use that Qt 4.7 prerelease :)15:12
alteregoI want to work on a Maemo 5 media player that uses Qt Quick ...15:12
alteregoTo make it slick ..15:12
psycho_oreoshmm I need to go check to see if there's hirose u.fl on the n900 :D15:12
alteregoMaybe even have it ready in time for PR1.3 ...15:13
keriooh god it's... bulky15:14
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MohammadAG51alterego, if you start working on it /query me, got an idea15:20
alteregoMohammadAG51: well, I'm going to start working on a mafw front end for music only to begin with.15:21
alteregoI think having Music/Video seperate is a good idea.15:23
alteregoI'll probably implement internet radio as well if it starts to work out nicely.15:23
MohammadAG51start on music, video works great already imo15:24
alteregoIs MeeGo going to use MAFW?15:25
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Venemohi everyone!15:30
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arno0obHi people15:33
arno0obI'm trying to pair my N900 with a Fedora laptop using Kbluetooth Wizard. The Wizard sees my N900 but tells me it doesn't support Input Service15:34
alteregoDo cellular phones ping multiple base stations simultaneously? Or is it just the one they're currently using?15:35
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SpeedEvilbasically the one they're using, but they listen for others15:37
SpeedEviland may transmit in some circumstances IIRC15:37
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alteregoOkay, juswondering. I'll have a look into the spec.15:40
arno0obI've been in /etc/bluetooth/main.conf to remove Input from DisablePlugins statement15:40
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arno0obDon't know if I can find someone here, or if I have to move to another chan ..15:41
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Venemoalterego: they can connect to multiple ones at a time, but they're using the one which has the best signal strength afaik15:43
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E0xhey ppl  i install the scratchbox in my netbook15:56
E0xbut i very slow  ( the gui of course )15:56
MohammadAGgod that'll be slow15:56
E0xany tips ?15:56
MohammadAGyes, sell the netbook15:56
E0xwell then i will need figure out how install in at my archlinux install at desktop pc15:57
MohammadAGmy notebook is netbook-y, I removed the GUI15:57
E0xat home15:57
E0xMohammadAG: but the scratchbox emulate a ARM procesor ?15:57
E0xusing quemu ?15:57
MohammadAGnot the GUI one15:57
MohammadAGthe GUI runs from the FREMANTLE_X86 target15:58
MohammadAGso it runs natively on your laptop, without hardware acceleration15:58
E0xhmm but if is not emulate a arm why so slow15:58
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MohammadAGCPU is slow15:58
MohammadAGit's a netbook15:58
E0x1.6ghz is not that slow15:58
MohammadAGaren't those like, 1.6?15:58
E0xwell at home will not run that fast i only have 2.615:59
lcukE0x, how fast does it build thing15:59
E0xlcuk: just doing python coding for now so i not test yet the building16:00
E0xthe compile16:00
lcukwhy not just bypass scratchbox totally and dev on device?16:00
E0xlcuk: i will do some Qt dev too16:00
lcukif its python at least for most things its capable16:00
lcukpyqt works just the same16:00
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E0xlcuk: i want learn C++ a bit16:01
E0xi try if i can do somethings16:01
alteregoE0x: then you should be using Nokia Qt SDK really :P16:01
lcukE0x, sure then alterego is right16:01
* lcuk likes vnc over 3.5g16:01
E0xyes but in the simulator i can't test python things so i want a thing that i can test both16:02
lcukyour n900!16:02
lcuki havent fired up xepyhr since ummm almost never16:02
E0xhmm maybe i will try that16:03
alteregoYeah, if I'm developing Python I actually usually do it on the device using sftp support in gnome to view the files and edit in geit.16:03
infobotGTK+ based text editor. URL:
E0xwith some sshfs for easy/fast file upload16:03
alteregoNo, I just edit them _on_ the device.16:03
alteregogedit will save direcctly to the N900 using sftp16:04
lcukalterego, is gedit in repos?16:04
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E0xalterego: oh hmm16:04
alteregolcuk: no, this is on my laptop :P16:04
E0xnot sure about that16:04
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alteregoI would like a nice gedit port to maemo though :D16:04
lcukalterego, then thats exactly same mechanism E0x just mentioned16:04
alteregoProbably, he made it sound different with "file upload" ..16:05
E0xbut was thinking in copy from pc to n900 and keep a copy of the code at pc16:05
alteregoI suppose it's because I just see it as saving straight to the device.16:05
alteregoWhich I guess technically is "uploading" :)16:05
lcukalterego, sure i did the same for ages direct from windows16:05
lcukwinscp ftw16:05
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alteregoDoes winscp allow you to edit files directly on the device I.E. Just pressing "Save" and then it's saved via sftp to the device16:06
alteregoReady to run ...16:06
lcukalterego, it does the copying transparently, so effectively yes16:06
lcukclicking save in notepad or whatever editor16:07
lcukkicks winscp back off to transfer file16:07
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MohammadAGhmm, I think it's time for a reflash16:09
MohammadAGalterego, any betas?16:10
MohammadAGor alphas?16:10
MohammadAGor brickers?16:10
alteregoNo not yet, still very experimental16:10
MohammadAGback to where I was, WTF16:10
MohammadAGmy N900 booted ubuntu without sliding open the keyvoard16:10
alteregoMohammadAG: uh-oh :P16:10
lcukalterego, is that the gps thingamabob16:11
* lcuk cannot right click over vnc16:11
MohammadAGuse a proper client :P16:11
alteregolcuk: yeah16:11
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lcukdid you see the positioning video i did16:12
alteregoNope, got a link?16:13
alteregoThis is a rather failed attempt at theming. :D
lcukerr not on me - MohammadAG do you have a link to vid16:14
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MohammadAG alterego lcuk16:15
alteregoSpank you16:15
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alteregolcuk: how are you doing movement? Camera?16:17
lcukyou tell me16:17
MohammadAGalterego, you noob16:17
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MohammadAGit's using magic16:17
alteregoWell, not the accelerometer16:18
alteregoIf it was the camera then the text would need to be where the camera is. Though I was thinking something similar to how optical mice work.16:18
MohammadAGlcuk, front camera?16:19
lcukmove the discussion to yt comments or twitter or something :PO16:19
lcukand when you know how its done let me know :P16:19
alteregoWell, you're the only one that "knows" how it's done.16:20
alteregoI'm just guessing.16:20
MohammadAGit's obviously timed and he's moving it at fixed intervals16:20
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alteregoI guess it wouldn't work just putting it down on an arbitrary rectangle.16:23
lcukalterego, it works with or without the paper16:24
alteregoThat's not what I mean.16:24
keriohmm, my n900 has two slightly brighter spots16:24
alteregoIf you have a surface, and the N900 is in your hand, and you put it down on the surface in say the top right corner, it wont show the top right corner display.16:24
alteregokerio: Mine has one, and it doesn't really bother me.16:25
alteregoOnly noticable when it's showing complete white ..16:25
MohammadAGhe's using the speakers' holes and mic to measure wind speed when moving the N900, that's why he's moving it too fast16:25
keriosame here16:25
lcukmoh that was a real viable option, i considered echo location16:26
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alteregoI still think you're using the camera and doing something similar to an optical mouse.16:26
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MohammadAGthe Nokia N900: it's what bats have become16:26
alteregoThough, maybe not.16:26
alteregoWhy are you so hesitant about giving away how you've done it? :P16:27
MohammadAGlcuk, hmm, ever considered using the back magnet?16:27
lcuki am not - i explained it in great detail a few days ago16:27
lcukpeople just started asking if it was magic so i went along wit hit16:27
alteregoWell, how do you do it then? :P16:27
MohammadAGalterego, you wouldn't know if it hit you right in the face16:28
* MohammadAG slaps alterego around with a large trout16:28
alteregoNo, probably not :P16:28
MohammadAGthat's how, trouts16:28
alteregoThat's why I'm asking :)16:28
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keriolcuk: how does it work?16:37
lcuk<MohammadAG> it's using magic16:38
MohammadAGtold ya16:38
MohammadAGdoes anyone know where the screen tap sound is?16:38
keriolcuk: :(16:39
kerioi missed the explanation!16:39
MohammadAGx-maemo-touchscreen-pressed.wav found it16:39
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keriolcuk: is it on some repo yet?16:42
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Venemow00t_: ping16:45
Andy80hi all16:45
Andy80I'm having problems building an application with Extras Autobuilder. If you can give a look here: line 85, it bothers about: /usr/bin/rcc: File does not exist '../lastgo.qrc' but it exist... how can I fix it?16:47
VenemoAndy80: could you give us a link to your debian/control file?16:48
Andy80Venemo: yes... one moment...16:48
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X-FadeAndy80: Notice the case change.16:49
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Andy80Venemo: here is the control and here is the rules
X-FadeAndy80: As you seem to use uppercase in the .pro file?16:49
Andy80X-Fade: no no... the filename is really lastgo.qrc16:49
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Andy80X-Fade: my idea: I create a builddir and call qmake from there... so the path should be ../lastgo.qrc like is ../ for the project...16:50
Andy80I had packaged another qt/c++ app before, but it didn't use a qrc file16:51
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psycho_oreosare there any tweaks to adjust the window manager on n900? such as to turn off fancy compiz/beryl like effects?16:54
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Andy80Venemo: any idea?16:54
keriojacekowski: can't find chromium in your repo16:55
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keriooh nvm16:56
keriotypoed fremantle :/16:56
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Jef91So my angry birds just updated telling me there are two more level packs for purchase - but these level packs aren't listed on ovi yet?16:58
keriojacekowski: the package chromium can't be authenticated16:58
Jef91I mean somehow I'm not surprised - but any idea when they are going to show up?16:58
psycho_oreosJef91, they are, under level 1 pack16:58
keriodo i just force the install?16:58
Jef91... I own level 1 pack psycho_oreos16:58
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psycho_oreosJef91, has the package been installed? check via dpkg16:59
alteregoJef91: they'll be up by the end of the day I imagine.17:00
psycho_oreosfyi those two levels did show up as level 1 packs on ovi, they should still be there under paid apps or something17:00
alteregoThe same thing happened with the game update yesterday17:00
jacekowskikerio: packages in my repo are not signed17:00
kerioso sign them!17:01
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jacekowskii don't have keys17:02
jacekowskii would have to generate them17:02
psycho_oreosJef91, ahh yeah I see what you mean, its listed but you can get to the purchase page17:03
Jef91jacekowski Unsigned packages are the devil's playground :P17:03
Andy80X-Fade: you know where I can find a qt application that uses a .qrc so I can see how is it packaged?17:03
Jef91psycho_oreos yep :(17:03
Jef91I hope they release soon.17:04
Jef91New angry birds levels would be my girlfriend entertained for a good while17:04
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jacekowskithe OS a chance to collect more entropy! (Need 262 more bytes)17:04
psycho_oreosJef91, still don't know why does that matter to you unless you are missing those two levels after reflashing or something17:04
jacekowskithat will take ages17:04
SpeedEvilPlay angry birds.17:07
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SpeedEvilpsycho_oreos: there are more levels being released that have not previously beenavailale on the n90017:07
jacekowskithe OS a chance to collect more entropy! (Need 72 more bytes)17:08
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keriojacekowski: bash on your keyboard like a monkey!17:09
psycho_oreosSpeedEvil, afaik there's only 3 levels for angrybirds 1.1, on iphone there's like 5 or so levels with latter versions17:10
psycho_oreosyou're telling me that you can get 5 levels from iphone's .payload to n900? ;)17:11
MohammadAGumm, aren't the two level packs ready?17:12
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MohammadAGso it gets up to 517:12
MohammadAGbut as always, ovi's delaying release17:12
psycho_oreosafaik there's level pack 1 which provides level 2 and 3 on 1.1 angrybirds17:12
psycho_oreosangrybirds on iphone was something like 1.517:13
psycho_oreosalas I don't game much on n900 :) I only game alot is only to show off to iphail fans that n900 can also game ;)17:15
MohammadAGiPhone fanboy: "But... does it fart?:17:15
keriowhat's angrybirds?17:16
psycho_oreosa game17:16
psycho_oreosMohammadAG, heh :) Microsoft(r)'s Kin1(tm) and Kin2(tm) - It never really happened (tm)... Apple(tm) - Avoid holding your iPhone(tm) 4 that way...17:16
jacekowskikerio: it's remote server17:17
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jacekowskikerio: but it's signing now17:17
jacekowskikerio: happy?17:17
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keriojacekowski: does that mean that i have to redownload it?17:18
kerioi'm on a crappy connection :(17:19
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alterego"Any anitvirus for the N900?" Heh ..17:20
SpeedEvilAngrybirds is great.17:21
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SpeedEvilI wish that bounce had a few more levels.17:21
SpeedEvilthat would showcase it well17:21
SpeedEvilI think the potential for commerical devs to flock to the n900 has past.17:21
psycho_oreosbounce is the one thing I can sorta boast :) unique to only n90017:21
psycho_oreosnot only that I think n900 just came in at the wrong time.. along with ovi woes17:22
keriobounce sucks17:23
SpeedEvilI think the ovi store _totally_ screwed up any lingering hopes.17:23
psycho_oreosI see lots and lots of users complaining constantly day in day out with ovi having issues17:23
psycho_oreosbounce doesn't suck17:23
SpeedEvilExtras 'just works' - mostly17:23
SpeedEvilOvi - just has problems.17:23
psycho_oreosovi - the problem is itself17:24
psycho_oreosthey can't get it out of their head that they like symbian too much, ovi maps lacked half the feature it had on other nokia platforms17:24
keriopsycho_oreos: horrible framerate, horrible controls17:25
jacekowskikerio: chromium isn't signed17:25
psycho_oreoskerio, decent framerate, yes maybe poor accelerometers but so what? ever trying playing games using purely on accelerometers?17:25
jacekowskikerio: new packages will be17:25
keriojacekowski: i see17:26
keriodo i need to add the key somehow?17:26
infobotpsycho_oreos meant: kerio, decent framerate, yes maybe poor accelerometers but so what? ever tried playing games using purely on accelerometers?17:26
kerioand will you release updates to chromium?17:26
keriopsycho_oreos: yes, but that's not exactly the point here17:27
keriothe one that comes to mind is warioware smooth moves17:27
keriobut, you know, dedicated hw17:27
psycho_oreoskerio, that's more like asking for a lopsided comparison, n900 is a phone, not a giant dedicated accelerometer :)17:28
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kerioi played lots of iphone games17:28
keriowell, not lots, but at least some17:28
psycho_oreosit (n900) has lots of features its not great at but at least it includes them and has linux base17:28
keriopsycho_oreos: yeah - it doesn't make it a good idea to use them primarily for a "first-party" game with some history like bounce17:29
psycho_oreoskerio, its more like an open demonstration to show what were the potential of n900's hardware... I think that was the original intention of developing bounce evolution in the first place.. it was purely a demo :)17:30
kerioa techdemo *this* bad? no wonder there are no commercial games on the n900...17:31
psycho_oreosthere's lots of tech demos worse than that on n90017:31
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kerioi just want a 3310 emulator for snake17:32
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kerioor a 3330 emulator for snake 217:32
psycho_oreosalas the devs put it up and asked for nothing, so why complain when you got your stab at free lunch?17:32
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MohammadAGI want the N-Gage snake17:34
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crashanddieMohammadAG51: so is still down... Cool eh?17:49
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psycho_oreoswhy ask about neopwn? you have om freerunner?17:51
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infobotpsycho_oreos meant: why talk about neopwn? you have om freerunner?17:51
crashanddiepsycho_oreos: they're going to release packet injection for the n90017:52
psycho_oreoscrashanddie, that has already happened :)17:52
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psycho_oreosits under a new project for n900 anyway17:52
crashanddieinfobot: why aren't you voiced? Is your connection shaky again?17:52
infobotwhy not?17:52
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Corsacinfobot: please don't answer to questions by another question17:53
crashanddiepsycho_oreos: they are allegedly going to provide a "backtrack equivalent for the n900"17:54
crashanddiepsycho_oreos: which is the only reason I'm interested17:54
psycho_oreoscrashanddie, yeah and that is already happening :)17:54
crashanddiedude, I don't give a fuck if it's happening or not17:54
crashanddiethey have it working.17:54
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psycho_oreos(#1), or (#2), or (#3)
psycho_oreosbacktrack equivalent, maybe17:55
crashanddiepsycho_oreos: note that both youtube videos are uploaded by the "neopwn" account17:55
crashanddieso please stfu, considering you're attempting to correct me using the stuff I was talking about in the first place.17:56
crashanddieI think it's just very, very interesting that days before the supposed release, their website goes down17:56
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MohammadAGcrashanddie, yeah, still 'down' for me18:00
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crashanddielcuk: told you to stop poking it18:04
lcukcrashanddie, dentist - ive just never had her push so far into me18:04
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crashanddieok ok, let's keep this a family channel18:05
crashanddieI don't care about your sexual activities18:05
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lcukso i shant tell you it was a double penetration o_O she did 2 fillings at the same time18:05
midas_oh hai18:07
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SpeedEvillcuk: On that topic (not worksafe) (no, it's not quite that - it's an example of how far people will go to make money on the internet)18:07
SpeedEvilThe above occurred on the 4th of july, so the person linking me to said.18:08
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lcukSpeedEvil, i was talking about the dentist you crude git18:09
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kevloralHi all18:10
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MohammadAGlol lcuk he knows18:10
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slonopotamusStskeeps: ping18:15
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GAN900Dentists in the UK?18:46
slonopotamusStskeeps: tried fb_text2screen master on meego?18:46
Stskeepsslonopotamus: no, didn't have time today18:46
slonopotamusbtw, fremantle text2screen still has broken colors :)18:47
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lcukGAN900, lol yes we do have them18:53
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lcukmost people avoid them as i have done for too long :) thankfully im having everything cured18:53
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LateralusIs there a way to open the phone app with a number to dial from an app?18:53
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zashLateralus: Try opening the the xterm and doing `xdg-open tel:123`18:56
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zashThat would be the *nix/fd-ish way18:56
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slonopotamuszash: there ain't xdg-open (whatever it is) in maemo18:58
zashslonopotamus: a freedesktop tool to launch urls/files in the application registerd to handle them18:59
LateralusI was figuring  there would be some dbus message for it18:59
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X-Fadelcuk: Forgot to say... cool stuff :)19:48
lcukhaha X-Fade :)19:49
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Lateralusok, it's likely something to do with
Lateralusis that documented anywhere?
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X-Fadelcuk: Connect that to some of the UX proto ideas we saw last year :)19:52
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lcukX-Fade, you mean ;)19:54
lcukthe cells can be anything - i just prototyped it with broken ones - ive got some more shiney things pending19:55
tybolltwill there indeed be maemi 6?19:55
X-Fadelcuk: Yeah ;)19:55
lcukX-Fade,  take a glance at this - portrait mode image select19:56
X-Fadelcuk: But? mpeg movement vectors using frontcam?19:56
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lcukX-Fade, mmm no, much simpler19:56
lcukexplained in the thread now totally19:56
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Ikarus*blink* an update for flashlight19:57
Ikarus(also is there a way to disable camera app startup on cover open ?)19:57
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X-Fadelcuk: Ah, yes real info in a talk thread, who would have thought that :)20:00
lcukhaha its our maemo :P20:00
lcukwe should fill it with good stuff20:00
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johnsu01hm, what happened to the sharing plugin for gallery220:06
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GAN900X-Fade, makes me nastolgic.20:11
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X-FadeGAN900: What?20:16
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BluesLeei will get a free case from apple if i buy an iphone 4 till end of september20:34
SpeedEvilThe bargain!20:37
lcukyou mean you get a free iphone when you buy a case? :D20:37
BluesLeelcuk: that would be cool20:38
BluesLeehonestly, it costs them about 1$ x 6 mio= 6 mio20:39
BluesLeethats a joke20:39
dotblankgah this new qt creator is grinding my gears20:39
dotblankI can't seem to delete the package creation step20:39
lcukdotblank, did you see the thread where i explained inverse augmented reality stuff20:39
dotblanklcuk, not yet20:40
BluesLeelcuk: hey, you are the guy with the liqbase stuff, right?20:40
BluesLeelcuk: really impressive speed20:40
dotblankI'm about to take a plane so Im trying to setup my laptop's sdk20:40
dotblankand grr I can't delete the package creation step.. from the build process...20:40
lcukdotblank, air crew frown upon you doing compilation and "technical" stuff whilst airside20:41
lcukBluesLee, indeedy, the very same :)20:41
dotblank8 hour plane20:41
lcukenjoy your time in plastic cufs then20:41
dotblankno internet..20:41
dotblankon qt docs and my laptop and n90020:41
lcukdotblank, well if you have time to read ;)20:42
lcukfull how did i do it thread :P20:42
BluesLeelcuk: can you speed up the maemo ui in the same way?;-)20:44
BluesLeelcuk: just a joke, the ui is fast enough, but your stuff is cool20:44
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* Jaffa 'd had hopes that libmeegotouch, MeeGo et al would've been designed from the ground up with speed, fluidity and reducing overhead as the primary drivers.20:48
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keriolcuk: epic20:49
JaffaThe Maemo 5 stack and the N900 just feel slow now, especially compared with the competition - but absolute tasks too :(20:49
Stskeepsjaffa, i actually think it is to some extent20:50
Stskeeps(and no, that isnt a fanboy statement)20:51
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SpeedEvilJaffa: A new stack - reduce overhead?20:52
SpeedEvilAre you _MAD_?20:53
SpeedEvilAbstraction piled on abstraction is the way!20:53
lcukits not unheard of :)20:53
Stskeepsi perceive of it as a lean and mean stack, personally20:54
SpeedEvilUse a 20 meg library that nothing else on the plarform uses to 'reuse code' - instead of writing a 12 line function that might require you to think for half an hour.20:54
JaffaStskeeps: Goodo. More shouting about that from architects etc, please :)20:54
mortini_SpeedEvil: but then you have to support that code!20:54
JaffaStskeeps: Blog posts like the stuff Moblin put out about fastboot. How do you make a full featured, cross-platform, API act speedilyetc.20:55
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StskeepsJaffa, i really would like core to talk more20:55
Stskeepsbut alas, its july, nothing will happen20:55
JaffaStskeeps: True.20:56
Stskeepsi do appreciate meego-commits list which states wtf actually goes on20:56
Stskeepsand open qa20:56
Stskeepsand so on.. things are going in the right direction20:57
JaffaAnyone want to write a meego traffic? :)20:58
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Stskeepsi am already overwhelmed with commits to trunk and testing, there is really a lot of development strength going into it20:59
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JaffaStskeeps: cool21:04
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lcukStskeeps, but is it getting anywhere or treading water?21:06
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Stskeepslcuk, gtiting somewhere21:08
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konttorinice. I just got qt quick photoviewer demo application running on my osx to be able to directly load the images from my n900 using the web server I built yesterday DocScrutinizer. Image version is replicating flickr API, so it was basically one liner change on the photoviewer code side.  (different address of the server)21:51
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lcukkonttori, impressive!  i hope it sends over the thumbnails first for quick instant browsing of the grid before sending large images only on request ;)21:57
konttorilcuk: it uses the thumbnails on .thumbnails/cropped21:57
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* lcuk nods :)21:57
konttoriand then the full image is only sent when you are in fullscreen view of the image.21:57
RST38hkonttori: Nokia Personal Webserver (for Symbian) did somethign similar21:58
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konttoriit then loads the full image async and then fades the preview away21:58
RST38hkonttori: It basically replaced PCSuite functionality with a web server running on the device and accessible via any web browser21:58
konttoriRST38h: pretty nifty idea.21:58
konttoriand should be pretty easy to do as well21:58
konttorifor me, adding the image support has now taken like about 4 hours so far.21:59
konttoriperhas 5.21:59
konttori(part of that doing the mandatory hello world web server first)21:59
RST38hkonttori: it may also let you access settings, call log, message log, check device's location and temperature, etc22:01
lcukkonttori, did you see the inverted augmented reality video?22:01
konttorilcuk: no, lemme see22:01
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lcukdid you click konttori22:07
konttorilooking now22:09
konttorilcuk: ah, that one. Yeah, saw it yesterda. Rocks22:09
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lcukkonttori, so this web server deffo looks interesting - i might have to look closer to linkup some of the bits i need22:11
konttoriI'll work a bit more and share the code for you. wanna get snapshot now?22:12
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lcukwill it happily install/run on fremantle?22:13
konttoriI'm running it on n900 now. (you were accessing it from my n900)22:13
konttoriJust store anywhere and run: python webserver.py22:14
lcuk:D bonus22:14
lcukheh python powered!  is it python server or tying into qt 4.6/4.7 methods?22:14
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dragonlinuxhye, is there any man pages available for n900 ?22:22
lcukdragonlinux, hmm lots of packages come from upstream, but since man pages arent included on device itself generally packages targetting maemo have missed them22:23
dragonlinuxi see. thanks for that22:24
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konttorilcuk: it's python server only. and serves ATOM feeds that currently I'm using on qml application.22:29
konttoriJust installing libqt4-experimental-declarative on n900 to try it out on the device.22:29
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lcuk:D cool22:30
DocScrutinizerlcuk: how did you do the slides/transitions for that AR thing? just a huge picture which you moved? or were those real apps?22:30
lcukDocScrutinizer, those are real liq* cells just like the other apps i run22:31
lcuki just loaded up a bunch of inactive ones to prove concept, i have alternative cleaned up things :)22:31
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lcukDocScrutinizer, the rendering engine for liqbase is geared up for it and always has been :)22:33
DocScrutinizeryeah, just adequate for liqtorch :-P22:33
lcukindeed :)22:33
lcukliqtorch is more hello world ;)22:33
DocScrutinizeris less hello world22:34
lcuki couldnt think of anything better or simpler to get started with :P22:34
DocScrutinizerat least now those xxMB make some sense to me22:34
lcukkonttori, i got some patches recently - libliqbase is now built using g++ and technically c++ capable22:34
lcuklol its never been a mb22:34
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ShadowJKAre you talking about a videod demonstration? Link? :)22:34
* lcuk thanks w00t_ 22:34
lcuk ShadowJK22:35
lcukand no, its a proof of concept :P22:35
DocScrutinizerjust have shown it off to a friend in the pub (of course on N900) - impressed the shit out of him22:35
lcukwell DocScrutinizer i've never seen any phone do that before :)22:36
* lcuk has wanted this for agessssssssssss22:36
lcukit should also work: ;)  (original inspiration image)22:37
* DocScrutinizer glues 3 LED to a sombrero and sends that hat to lcuk22:37
lcuka cap will be fine ty :P22:38
DocScrutinizerheh, I never did that obscene position to my N810s22:38
lcukhaha!  i do it to all my devices ;)
lcuki even made them have a threesome :P
DocScrutinizeron a sidenote:22:41
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG51: ping22:41
* MohammadAG51 hits DocScrutinizer with a pingpong ball22:41
DocScrutinizerhow long were you powering those active speakers via N900 USB host, when power outage in Jordan22:42
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MohammadAG51half an hour maybe22:43
DocScrutinizerjust about as geeky as those double stack of lcuk (modulo the cute sw on those)22:43
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MohammadAG51the whole power thingy was on a stock kernel btw22:44
DocScrutinizerN900: the most expensive, most weak, most geeky USB power pack22:44
MohammadAG51but the speakers didn't touch data or anything, they only need power22:44
MohammadAG51i.e no enumeration shit22:44
DocScrutinizercould as well power a mug warmer22:45
DocScrutinizeror better a fan these days :-D22:45
MohammadAG51btw, volume wasn't low22:45
MohammadAG51and the LED was as bright as when it was on my PC22:45
SpeedEvil1W of sound is quite loud really22:45
DocScrutinizerI bet, otherwise it wouldn't eat your bat SUCH fast22:45
DocScrutinizer(LED) as long as boost mode stays, it will provide 4V9522:46
MohammadAG51well, it only needed half a bat or so22:46
MohammadAG51i could do tests if you want22:46
DocScrutinizerthat sound about right: half a bat are ~1.5Wh22:47
Gh0stywhat format is the contacts db actually in the n900?22:47
MohammadAG51sqlite 3 afaik22:47
DocScrutinizer200mA*5V=1W output on USB  + 1W for full active N90022:48
DocScrutinizeralso others claimed it's berkleyDB22:49
DocScrutinizerwhatever that is22:49
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DocScrutinizerI've yet to see the sql cmd to read out those crap files.db22:50
konttoriGh0sty: it's berkley db.22:50
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lcukDocScrutinizer, well contacts app can read it22:50
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* DocScrutinizer ponders to google berkley db22:50
lcukand it renders it nicely afaik :P22:50
Gh0stythats what i am looking for22:50
* luke-jr is divided on whether to keep T-Mobile22:51
Gh0styto actually do something useful with those contacts on a regular pc :)22:51
DocScrutinizerfsck contacts - it's closed22:51
luke-jron one hand, it's convenient when it does work22:51
luke-jrbut on the other hand, it doesn't work all too often22:51
konttoriDocScrutinizer: it's really low level db. Mosly a hash table really22:52
konttoritotally wrong choice if you ask me.22:52
konttorisqlite would have been the right choice.22:52
konttorior tracker.22:52
konttoribut not berkley db22:52
DocScrutinizerI don't really care, just gimme a tool to read it22:53
DocScrutinizera cmdline tool!22:53
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DocScrutinizermeh, no cmdline interface (by definition)... ? o.O22:57
lcukplease wait, rescanning contacts22:57
DocScrutinizersqlite for sure've been the better choice then22:57
luke-jrjust make a directory22:57
ShadowJKlcuk, are you revealing yet how it's done?22:57
luke-jrand make 1 file per contact22:57
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DocScrutinizerluke-jr: vcard22:58
luke-jrDocScrutinizer: yep22:58
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luke-jrthat's how I do it myself22:58
DocScrutinizerfull ack22:58
luke-jrit worked pretty well until KDE screwed up KAddressBook :/22:58
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lcukShadowJK,  whole thread on inverse augmented reality and how its done :P22:58
DocScrutinizerI mean, up to a reasonably usable managable limit of contocts (some hundered) what for do I need a db?22:59
viszheh, my eyes deceived me22:59
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viszfull ack -> fu** all22:59
DocScrutinizerluke-jr: =-(22:59
luke-jrDocScrutinizer: even then, VCards in IMAP... IMAP can search :D22:59
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luke-jrbut KDE never supported that properly :(23:00
DocScrutinizerluke-jr: no more vcard resources in Kontact??23:00
luke-jrprobably is23:00
luke-jrbut Kontact is broken since 4.423:00
DocScrutinizerhooray, so it matches other KDE4 crap now23:00
DocScrutinizerwhat exactly?23:00
luke-jrKAddressBook doesn't work at all as far as I can tell23:01
DocScrutinizerkaddrbook is obsolete with kde4 I heard23:01
DocScrutinizerbut then Kontact doesn't use KAddrBook anymore I heard same source23:02
luke-jrjust renamed AFAIK23:02
luke-jrbinary is still kaddressbook23:02
luke-jrbut name is "Contact Manager"23:02
DocScrutinizerhmm, my contacts are all still there23:02
luke-jrthe problem is this new Akonadi framework23:02
luke-jrit's horribly misdesigned and broken23:02
MohammadAG51get some USB leds and do all what you did via the N900's port23:02
DocScrutinizerakonadi, yeah23:02
DocScrutinizerheard that as well23:03
lcukMohammadAG51, sure but with wires its a bit less fun23:03
lcuki thought of that when you said about powered speakers23:03
lcuki would prefer having the usb used for arduino23:03
jacekowskiwhat's the purpose of liqbase anyways?23:03
lcukthe Nokia 770 and N800 dogs should work23:03
DocScrutinizerI would prefer having hostmode working23:04
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MohammadAG51me too, but that's kinda dead isn't it :)23:04
DocScrutinizerlimbo state23:04
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MohammadAG51k, zombie state :P23:05
lcukjacekowski, for me? its an ideas playground, and those ideas are all growing up and breaking off into their little apps :)23:05
DocScrutinizerI got no new arguments to push, and the old efforts seem to be discontinued23:05
jacekowskilcuk: and with that cluster thingy23:05
jacekowskilcuk: opencv23:05
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jacekowskilcuk: and transmitting image from camera via bluetooth from one device to other23:06
jacekowskiand then comparing23:06
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Summeliwhat's the best way to implement simple blit() with RGB565?23:06
jacekowskiso it could detect position based on that without any reference23:06
Summelion N900 :)23:06
lcukhuh? i want something in realtime not waiting a fortnight23:06
jacekowskiopencv is realtime23:06
jacekowskihmm, bluetooth isn't23:06
RST38hSummeli: /dev/fb023:06
jacekowskibut you can process23:06
lcuktransfering image data over at 25fps isnt23:07
lcukespecially over bt/wifi23:07
jacekowskior get some initial reference23:07
jacekowskiand then send just info where is it moving23:07
lcukjacekowski, why dont you try it23:07
jacekowskii'm playing with low level stuff23:07
lcukyou know opencv23:07
SummeliRST38h: Can I have some ways to avoid tearing with that?23:07
jacekowskiafter i'm done with bme stuff23:08
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DocScrutinizerjacekowski: 2/3 done with specs. Sorry was busy the afternoon23:08
jacekowskibut opencv + accelerometer23:08
SummeliI was thinking about the opengl es, which should provide the double buffering to avoid tearing23:08
lcuksure jacekowski im not in a rush, btw, you have seen the sort of stuff i use accelerometer for havent you?23:08
RST38hSummeli: not on n900 afaik23:08
jacekowskilcuk: no23:08
jacekowskilcuk: ah, that23:08
jacekowskithat's nice23:09
lcuksame thing happens with this stuff23:09
lcukand it scales and rotates based on camera23:09
lcukand does what the accelerometer cant (rotation along flat plane)23:09
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jacekowskiyeah, compass would be nice23:12
lcukyeah but you work with what you have23:12
ShadowJKDocScrutinizer, can I have a look at it too?23:12
DocScrutinizerShadowJK: sure, np23:12
lcukjacekowski, if i still had n810 as primary i would be doing same with that23:12
DocScrutinizermuch appreciated23:13
lcuki think the code should just work, though i havent fired it up yet23:13
lcuki probably broke many things in last few months23:13
jacekowskiwell, anyways, charging is pretty much close to be finished23:13
jacekowskilocation has to be reversed23:14
jacekowskipowervr would be nice23:14
jacekowskiDocScrutinizer: send me whatever you have23:14
DocScrutinizerjacekowski: sure, another ~60..90min, ok?23:16
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