| DocScrutinizer | hax0r hax0r HAXX0R | 00:00 |
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| jacekowski | hmm, missing files seems to be bigger problem | 00:01 |
| lcuk | DocScrutinizer, correct me if i am wrong, but isnt that pix technically NSFW and therefore not suitable for posting | 00:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer | phoenix_jace-hax0r-cowski edition | 00:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | I posted a pix? | 00:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | not even looked at it :-P | 00:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~factinfo ubuntu | 00:03 |
| infobot | ubuntu -- last modified at Tue Oct 25 18:33:34 2005 by sinplomo; it has been requested 5 times, last by DocScrutinizer, 3m 35s ago. | 00:03 |
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| PerfDave | It was a picture that Ubuntu used some time, that got them into trouble. It's got three butts in it. | 00:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer | mhm XP | 00:05 |
| MohammadAG | LOL | 00:05 |
| MohammadAG | lcuk, tbh I kinda expected it to be nsfw | 00:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's my favourite when it comes to BuntKuh: http://xkcd.com/424/ | 00:05 |
| * PerfDave tends to assume that anything posted on IRC is NSFW :) | 00:06 | |
| Myrtti | I'm pretty sure Ubuntu wasn't using the butt picture ever. The calendar pictures were a lot classier. | 00:06 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer: what about http://goatkcd.com/424/ ? (can be very nsfw, depending on your desensitiveness) | 00:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer | kerio: I don't click links with *goat* | 00:08 |
| * lcuk does a triple facepalm | 00:08 | |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer: good point | 00:08 |
| Myrtti | I don't click any links with /b/ | 00:08 |
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| MohammadAG | that counts as a facepalm right? | 00:09 |
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| DocScrutinizer | lol | 00:09 |
| lcuk | e continues with triple facepalm and slaps MohammadAG with frals | 00:10 |
| kerio | MohammadAG: both the face and the palm should be from the same person | 00:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer | what's the IRC variant of bullshit bingo? | 00:10 |
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| MohammadAG | cowshit bingo? | 00:10 |
| Myrtti | trollball | 00:10 |
| Myrtti | requires 1-2 ops and a troll | 00:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | gnhnhnhnhn | 00:11 |
| Myrtti | it's more entertaining with 2 ops | 00:11 |
| * DocScrutinizer cackles | 00:11 | |
| MohammadAG | ChanServ counts right? | 00:11 |
| Myrtti | nope | 00:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer | :-P | 00:11 |
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| MohammadAG | infobot, kick DocScrutinizer | 00:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | now "what could I *possibly* do with THAAAAT???" | 00:12 |
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| * infobot kicks DocScrutinizer | 00:12 | |
| DocScrutinizer | LOL | 00:12 |
| Myrtti | it also requires that the troll is really clueless and an idiot that preferably has autojoin on kick on | 00:12 |
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| w[e]all | whois wall[e] | 00:12 |
| kerio | i'm a troll | 00:12 |
| kerio | and i have autojoin! | 00:12 |
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| Myrtti | kerio: autojoin on kick? | 00:13 |
| lcuk | kerio, you arent good enough to be a full troll, perhaps a proto-troll or something | 00:13 |
| lcuk | if you work hard you will one day grow up to be a big troll | 00:13 |
| Myrtti | s/autojoin/autorejoin/ | 00:13 |
| infobot | Myrtti meant: kerio: autorejoin on kick? | 00:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | Myrtti: wait, we got such troll lately :-D | 00:13 |
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| E0x | this look promise http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=58402 | 00:13 |
| Myrtti | aw CRAP I clicked the link | 00:14 |
| kerio | Myrtti: well, autojoin period | 00:14 |
| kerio | znc with stickychan and autojoin | 00:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer | konttori: moinmoin | 00:15 |
| konttori | :) | 00:15 |
| w[e]all | bb | 00:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | konttori: join in on a nice little game of trollball? Myrtti is about to explain the rules :-D | 00:16 |
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| * konttori us just about to go to sleep | 00:16 | |
| konttori | so, alas, no | 00:16 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, now now, don't spam #maemo :P | 00:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | starting to get silly | 00:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | too hot to even fall asleep | 00:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | I guess konttori has a marginally better climate over there | 00:18 |
| konttori | no, same thing over here as well. all windows open, still a hellhole | 00:18 |
| konttori | but, back to trying to fall asleep | 00:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah 30°C at midnight, that's insane | 00:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | konttori: good luck | 00:19 |
| konttori | I had a magnificent idea just before going to bed and now it's haunting me | 00:19 |
| konttori | zzz | 00:20 |
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| lcuk | konttori, :) take some notes | 00:20 |
| lcuk | or sleep \@/ | 00:20 |
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| DocScrutinizer | konfoo: like cooling N900 by liquid nitrogen? | 00:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | oops | 00:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | sorry konfoo - ETAB | 00:20 |
| jacekowski | hmmm, jtag doesn't require two way communication if i just want to send one command? | 00:20 |
| jacekowski | and i'm not interested in feedback | 00:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep | 00:21 |
| lcuk | E0x, nice | 00:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's basically a veeery long shiftregister | 00:21 |
| jacekowski | then we could try to bruteforce all pins | 00:21 |
| jacekowski | for jtag | 00:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | actually you could | 00:21 |
| MohammadAG | haha, 24C here :P | 00:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: you're living next to equator, it's known there are mostly icebergs | 00:22 |
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| jacekowski | and then just send stupid "halt" command | 00:23 |
| jacekowski | so it would be easily noticeable when it was accepted | 00:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: check out how those dudes bruteforce-JTAGed several routers | 00:23 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, nah, I'm far from the equator :P | 00:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer | hmm, 30°N | 00:25 |
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| jacekowski | there is like 28 pins | 00:32 |
| jacekowski | pads* | 00:32 |
| Stskeeps | don't bother looking for jtag | 00:33 |
| jacekowski | 3 are know to be serial related, 4 are gnd | 00:33 |
| jacekowski | Stskeeps: why? | 00:33 |
| Stskeeps | it's not there | 00:33 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 00:33 |
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| jacekowski | how do you know? | 00:33 |
| Stskeeps | i don't have a plug like that, so | 00:34 |
| jacekowski | where is jtag then? | 00:34 |
| jacekowski | maybe you don't deserve it? | 00:34 |
| jacekowski | how does nokia fix broken nolo? | 00:34 |
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| GAN900 | serial | 00:34 |
| GAN900 | Which isn't JTAG | 00:34 |
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| Stskeeps | STI/XTI interfaces exist according to http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Architecture/Core_Domain | 00:35 |
| luke-jr | yay got gcc 4.4 kernel booting | 00:36 |
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| luke-jr | nfc how to test whether DSP works tho | 00:36 |
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| jacekowski | hmm i could use that serial wire debug | 00:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer | *Serial port: Available for R&D use. -- mhm | 00:48 |
| Stskeeps | r&d mode | 00:49 |
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| luke-jr | you need to set some flag too | 00:49 |
| jacekowski | serial-console | 00:49 |
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| luke-jr | Stskeeps: btw, my punishment for playing with DNS tunnels: T-Mobile's DNS servers refuse to resolve dashjr.org now :( | 00:50 |
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| opdf2 | any1 buy a Nokia genuine BL-5J from dealextreme? Is it legit? | 00:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer | The following components external to OMAP are supported: ... Ethernet (R&D use). o.O | 00:53 |
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| luke-jr | can I make a replacement battery with a Paksis? | 00:53 |
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| jacekowski | Stskeeps: besides, you look like nokia has sent you to delay any development | 00:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~dict paksis | 00:54 |
| infobot | could not find definition for paksis | 00:54 |
| Stskeeps | jacekowski: what? | 00:55 |
| jacekowski | you just seem to always tell everybody that this is not going to work | 00:55 |
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| luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: it's a super energy source with a will of its own :D | 00:55 |
| Stskeeps | jacekowski: and keeping you from wasting valuable time? don't be paranoid | 00:56 |
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| luke-jr | Stskeeps: FYI: ext2 execute-in-place breaks Maemo :P | 00:58 |
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| smackpotat | im trying to interest someone in porting this to diablo | 00:59 |
| smackpotat | http://code.google.com/p/milestone-overclock/ | 00:59 |
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| smackpotat | it might be a chore | 01:00 |
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| GAN900 | Stskeeps is evil | 01:00 |
| GAN900 | Trying to keep the working stiff down! | 01:00 |
| GAN900 | Seriously, is #maemo Talk now? | 01:01 |
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| GAN900 | jacekowski, learn a little history before you start running your mouth. | 01:01 |
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| DrGrov | Stskeeps is just a nice guy, a real sweetheart | 01:01 |
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| DrGrov | Not again eh? | 01:02 |
| DrGrov | I managed to fucking silence the channel yet again | 01:02 |
| ZogG | i have even T-Shirt saying "Stskeeps, make a babe" | 01:02 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, its good when people hunt around and find new things to do with devices :P | 01:02 |
| lcuk | whether it works or not, it keeps ppl busy | 01:03 |
| DrGrov | Ok good, it is not my fault the channel was silenced there for a minute or so | 01:03 |
| technomike | :D Great! I lost the multi-tasking ability of my phone. Damn it, since I installed the equalizer, my n900 lags, and sound often breaks up. Going to have to report and uninstall. | 01:03 |
| ZogG | technomike i have it without equalizer | 01:03 |
| DrGrov | I got an awesome movie to watch, Bitch Slap | 01:03 |
| ZogG | though i flashed r&d mode for nitdroid | 01:04 |
| ZogG | but than found out my sd card is fake =) | 01:04 |
| ZogG | lol | 01:04 |
| MohammadAG | equalizer? | 01:04 |
| MohammadAG | ~ping | 01:04 |
| infobot | ~pong | 01:04 |
| ZogG | MohammadAG, morning sweetie | 01:04 |
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| ShadowJK | opdf2, lol. | 01:05 |
| ZogG | damn i never can update those mypaint and ukeyboard | 01:05 |
| technomike | Guys, not had any luck in finding, so anyone here know of any way to unrar on N900? | 01:05 |
| * ZogG rapes MohammadAG | 01:06 | |
| ShadowJK | luke-jr, what's paksis? | 01:06 |
| MohammadAG | wtf | 01:06 |
| ZogG | technomike, fileroller | 01:06 |
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| ShadowJK | I'm guessing it's not "An alliance of market leaders for delivering breakthrough projects in packaging technology." | 01:06 |
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| MohammadAG | ZogG, I dumped file-roller, use xarchiver instead | 01:06 |
| technomike | ZogG - many thanks, will check it out now :) | 01:06 |
| technomike | oh | 01:06 |
| ZogG | i never used any of them actually | 01:06 |
| luke-jr | ShadowJK: [16:55:54] <luke-jr> DocScrutinizer: it's a super energy source with a will of its own :D | 01:06 |
| MohammadAG | or just use unrar, which is what xarchiver uses | 01:06 |
| opdf2 | ShadowJK: where do you get your genuine BL-5J? | 01:07 |
| luke-jr | ShadowJK: 3rd Google result for me | 01:07 |
| ZogG | there is also rar plugins as far as i can remember | 01:07 |
| MohammadAG | opdf2, ebay | 01:07 |
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| MohammadAG | :P | 01:07 |
| ShadowJK | opdf2, I got one with my N900! :P | 01:07 |
| MohammadAG | I doubt there is any way to rar on a device | 01:07 |
| ShadowJK | But nokia is a good source for genuine cells ;p | 01:07 |
| ZogG | MohammadAG, i never tried on maemo but on desctop i moved from xarchive to fileroller | 01:07 |
| MohammadAG | unless you use qemu to emulate X86 | 01:07 |
| opdf2 | MohammadAG: I don't feel comfortable with that | 01:07 |
| luke-jr | shouldn't use RAR | 01:07 |
| MohammadAG | rar's closed source | 01:07 |
| opdf2 | ShadowJK: I got one too with my N900. I need one more. | 01:08 |
| jacekowski | MohammadAG: i think i had rar on n900 | 01:08 |
| luke-jr | opdf2: obviously get another N900 | 01:08 |
| jacekowski | MohammadAG: there is arm linux version of rar | 01:08 |
| MohammadAG | jacekowski, thought that too, but couldn't find a binary for it | 01:08 |
| ZogG | MohammadAG, if you convince everyone not to use it we wouldbn't need it | 01:08 |
| MohammadAG | jacekowski, where? | 01:08 |
| ZogG | but till than | 01:08 |
| luke-jr | ZogG: unrar != rar | 01:08 |
| MohammadAG | ZogG, file-roller is better, but the UI is much much worse | 01:08 |
| luke-jr | there is a GPL unrar | 01:08 |
| opdf2 | luke-jr: that's the only option? I just stick with one battery then | 01:08 |
| jacekowski | http://www.rarlab.com/rar_add.htm | 01:08 |
| MohammadAG | it can't unrar newer versions luke-jr | 01:08 |
| jacekowski | UnRAR for ARM Linux | 01:08 |
| ZogG | MohammadAG, i liked actually fileroller's UI at desctop more | 01:09 |
| ShadowJK | opdf2, iirc someone disassembled a dealextreme "Genuine BL-5J" and found it wasn't genuine.. though it probably still works | 01:09 |
| luke-jr | MohammadAG: screw newer versions then | 01:09 |
| jacekowski | http://www.rarlab.com/rar/unrarsrc-3.9.10.tar.gz | 01:09 |
| ZogG | it was more user friendly and not that ugly | 01:09 |
| MohammadAG | ZogG, I was referring to the N900 port... | 01:09 |
| ZogG | but it was a long ago | 01:09 |
| opdf2 | ShadowJK: I see | 01:09 |
| MohammadAG | desktop =! N900 | 01:09 |
| MohammadAG | actually, GNOME != Hildon | 01:09 |
| ZogG | MohammadAG, that's why i told you about desktop from the begginging | 01:09 |
| ZogG | <ZogG> MohammadAG, i never tried on maemo but on desctop i moved from xarchive to fileroller | 01:09 |
| ZogG | ^ | 01:09 |
| ShadowJK | And someone also disassembled one of those "Gold BL-5J 1800mAh" batteries, and found it contained a 800mAh battery :) | 01:09 |
| luke-jr | Hildon is built on GNOME, as far as I'm concerned | 01:10 |
| MohammadAG | jacekowski, that's unrar, not rar | 01:10 |
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| jacekowski | just reverse it | 01:10 |
| jacekowski | and you will get rarnu | 01:10 |
| ZogG | luke-jr, but it's not gnome | 01:10 |
| jacekowski | and then get rid of nu | 01:10 |
| MohammadAG | lol | 01:10 |
| ZogG | MohammadAG, rar if file format and don't play smart | 01:10 |
| MohammadAG | or add a g and make it gnu rar | 01:10 |
| ZogG | everyoine knows what he needs | 01:10 |
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| ZogG | jacekowski get rarnu and get rid of rar actually | 01:11 |
| luke-jr | or just use cpio.lzma | 01:11 |
| luke-jr | :D | 01:11 |
| MohammadAG | seriously, why is rar closed source? it's crap | 01:11 |
| jacekowski | it's not | 01:11 |
| MohammadAG | lzma has so much better compression | 01:11 |
| opdf2 | ShadowJK: I guess I'll buy directly from NokiaUSA | 01:11 |
| lcuk | MohammadAG, plenty of crap things are closed source | 01:11 |
| jacekowski | well, lzma is a lot slower | 01:11 |
| MohammadAG | lcuk, mediaplayer is one :P | 01:11 |
| lcuk | but thats not the problem, companies release as required | 01:11 |
| alterego | Most crap things are closed source :) | 01:11 |
| jacekowski | i mean rar was the best compression for quite a long time | 01:12 |
| lcuk | MohammadAG, i dunno i changed to media player classic on windows and havent looked back | 01:12 |
| MohammadAG | lcuk, the N900 one :) | 01:12 |
| alterego | Hah, | 01:12 |
| MohammadAG | lzma is very slow, but the compression is great | 01:12 |
| alterego | classic media player on windows is classic :) | 01:12 |
| alterego | Much better than WM9 or whatever they're on now ... | 01:12 |
| * luke-jr was a big fan of classic mplayer.exe when he used Windows | 01:12 | |
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| luke-jr | much better than VLC I might add | 01:13 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: that breakout jig would be very usefull thing, i could just connect my fpga to it and bruteforce whole thing | 01:13 |
| alterego | "Industry is estimating that the government will need to plough at least £2bn into the industry if it wants to be the fastest broadband nation by 2015." | 01:13 |
| alterego | peanuts compared to what we spend on other complete rubbish .. | 01:13 |
| kerio | i don't get why being the fastest broadband nation is so important | 01:14 |
| alterego | kerio: because we can :P | 01:14 |
| MohammadAG | first /usr, now /var http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=58471 | 01:15 |
| kerio | and what's the nation? | 01:15 |
| alterego | The UK | 01:15 |
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| kerio | LOL BT/VIRGIN | 01:15 |
| kerio | how about you start working on the download caps | 01:15 |
| MohammadAG | seriously, this world needs a new wifi spec | 01:15 |
| MohammadAG | Wireless X anyone? :) | 01:16 |
| kerio | MohammadAG: wireless sucks | 01:16 |
| kerio | we need cheaper cat5 | 01:16 |
| alterego | I don't get why so many idiots keep deleting system folders .. | 01:16 |
| MohammadAG | lol | 01:16 |
| lcuk | kerio, just buy cat4 | 01:16 |
| alterego | fibre fibre fibre | 01:16 |
| MohammadAG | I wonder how long it'll take to see a 10/100/1000/10000 spec | 01:16 |
| alterego | If I ever build my own dream house, it'll have fibre in the walls :) | 01:16 |
| MohammadAG | is it Thursday in the US? | 01:17 |
| alterego | No | 01:17 |
| alterego | Not for a few hours yet MohammadAG | 01:17 |
| MohammadAG | retarded question | 01:17 |
| MohammadAG | let me rephrase | 01:18 |
| alterego | Not even Thursday in the UK :P | 01:18 |
| MohammadAG | if I use two day shipping, would it be there before the weekend? | 01:18 |
| MohammadAG | it = the item | 01:18 |
| MohammadAG | sorry, only slept 4 hours yesterday | 01:18 |
| alterego | Probably be there for Saturday | 01:18 |
| MohammadAG | doesn't the US have a lazy arse post system? | 01:18 |
| alterego | Depends on the time where you are. | 01:18 |
| MohammadAG | Seattle, not me | 01:18 |
| MohammadAG | should've shipped yesterday... | 01:19 |
| alterego | Yes, I mean the time where you are, when you post the item .. | 01:19 |
| MohammadAG | 4 hours, don't blame me :P | 01:19 |
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| luke-jr | wtf? | 01:22 |
| luke-jr | UK has fast broadband? | 01:22 |
| luke-jr | as in, faster than Japan and Korea? | 01:23 |
| luke-jr | where 100 Mbit is commonplace | 01:23 |
| lcuk | someone forgot to send out the memo - where did you see fast broadband in uk? | 01:23 |
| luke-jr | [17:14:01] <kerio> i don't get why being the fastest broadband nation is so important [17:15:11] <kerio> and what's the nation? [17:15:17] <alterego> The UK | 01:23 |
| MohammadAG | doesn't the UK have 200? | 01:23 |
| SpeedEvil | ... | 01:24 |
| SpeedEvil | No | 01:24 |
| SpeedEvil | Well | 01:24 |
| alterego | luke-jr: you're missing the key point of that little conversation, my first sentence where infobot quoted a news artical. | 01:24 |
| lcuk | luke-jr, read, alterego said that investment must be made | 01:24 |
| SpeedEvil | one or two tiny, tiny pockets. | 01:24 |
| kerio | MohammadAG: they have ridiculous limitations on download | 01:24 |
| alterego | s/infobot/I/ | 01:24 |
| SpeedEvil | kerio: Well... | 01:24 |
| infobot | alterego meant: luke-jr: you're missing the key point of that little conversation, my first sentence where I quoted a news artical. | 01:24 |
| lcuk | who does 200? | 01:24 |
| SpeedEvil | kerio: I have two packages. | 01:24 |
| luke-jr | haha | 01:24 |
| lcuk | and if its on virgin, is the upload still capped at 0.25? | 01:24 |
| SpeedEvil | kerio: One of which allows 10 gig of transfer a month in peak times - for 4.99 - $9 or so. But midnight-8AM is free. | 01:25 |
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| SpeedEvil | The other of which is 14.99/mo and allows 80 | 01:25 |
| SpeedEvil | $7 or so, I keep forgetting about the dollar | 01:25 |
| kerio | haha oh wow | 01:25 |
| asj | we're paying $120 for 160gig/mo, that doesn't seem bad to me :) | 01:25 |
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| kerio | and you guys accept that? | 01:25 |
| MohammadAG | lcuk, afaik yeah, it's virgin media | 01:25 |
| SpeedEvil | kerio: That is an utterly ridiculous question. | 01:26 |
| SpeedEvil | kerio: What's the alternative? | 01:26 |
| kerio | boycott | 01:26 |
| SpeedEvil | It is slightly hard for me to install broadband from a provider in South Korea, even if it might be fast and cheap. | 01:26 |
| SpeedEvil | kerio: You're retarded. | 01:26 |
| asj | kerio: boycott all internet providers? yeah that's going to work | 01:27 |
| SpeedEvil | Going to satellite internet would be the only effective way to boycott the UK internet providers. | 01:27 |
| asj | actually we have a fairly hard time reaching 160gig/mo | 01:27 |
| SpeedEvil | And that makes the above prices look _Insanely_ cheap | 01:28 |
| asj | satalltie internet in AU is controlled by Telstra, which is the former gov't monopolly and lowest BW highest cost option | 01:28 |
| SpeedEvil | asj: you can get round that - with globalstar internet. | 01:29 |
| SpeedEvil | asj: however that will make the telestra satellite internet look like an utter bargain, and make you consider running your own transoceanic fibre. | 01:29 |
| asj | SpeedEvil: that looks like iridium...their current name? | 01:30 |
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| SpeedEvil | yes | 01:30 |
| SpeedEvil | It's not utterly ruinous for stuff like 1K packets of data a couple of times a day | 01:30 |
| SpeedEvil | even checking email will make your eyes water though | 01:31 |
| asj | it's free with normal airtime rates! ;) | 01:31 |
| luke-jr | can I get Maemo to STFU about email? | 01:32 |
| MohammadAG | apt-get --purge autoremove modest*? | 01:32 |
| lcuk | MohammadAG, http://slashdot.org/articles/07/07/12/1236231.shtml | 01:32 |
| luke-jr | MohammadAG: I want email client, just not the annoying alerts | 01:32 |
| asj | wow, it's only 1.39 to $5/min for globalstar | 01:33 |
| MohammadAG | oh, then purge hildon-desktop | 01:33 |
| MohammadAG | xDDD | 01:33 |
| luke-jr | ... | 01:33 |
| asj | VM is $8, I don't understand their prices at all | 01:33 |
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| SpeedEvil | asj: at 9600 IIRC | 01:34 |
| asj | SpeedEvil: http://www.globalstarusa.com/en/content.php?cid=300 -- odd, I thought they had ocean coverage, but it's like they forgot about the pacific and indian oceans "bah no one goes there!" | 01:35 |
| MohammadAG | lcuk, haha | 01:36 |
| MohammadAG | lcuk, I want that | 01:36 |
| MohammadAG | lcuk, cause tbh, uploading a 900MB rootfs image of ubuntu sucks | 01:36 |
| technomike | opdf2 - I got my extra battery from eBay, and its completely genuine. :D Was £5 used. | 01:36 |
| asj | luke-jr: maemo5? go into settings can't you turn those off? | 01:36 |
| opdf2 | technomike: what seller?> | 01:36 |
| technomike | Are you in UK? | 01:37 |
| ShadowJK | technomike, not even Nokia can tell genuine from fake without disassembly though :) | 01:37 |
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| technomike | ShadowJK - :o Even with the hologram sticker? | 01:37 |
| MohammadAG | ShadowJK, wouldn't lshal show the mAh design? | 01:37 |
| technomike | and genuine label | 01:38 |
| MohammadAG | design current, w/e | 01:38 |
| opdf2 | technomike: I'm in USA | 01:38 |
| ShadowJK | technomike, Nokia said it took 3 days before someone had made a perfect copy of the hologram :) | 01:38 |
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| technomike | ShadowJK :o shocking! | 01:38 |
| ShadowJK | MohammadAG, that's easiest part to fake ;p | 01:38 |
| MohammadAG | ShadowJK, hmm | 01:39 |
| luke-jr | asj: where? | 01:39 |
| MohammadAG | ShadowJK, now you've given me doubts | 01:39 |
| asj | luke-jr: mmm, I guess it's just the light | 01:39 |
| MohammadAG | I bought a BL-5J, it had a slightly different print (darker a bit) | 01:39 |
| asj | luke-jr: but I'm sure there's an ap for that ;) | 01:39 |
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| MohammadAG | but other than that, it's identical | 01:39 |
| ShadowJK | Those who disassembled known genuine BL-5J found a samsung cell inside, but Nokia of course doesn't tell us if they use other suppliers too | 01:40 |
| luke-jr | does M5 have an if-up script? | 01:42 |
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| ShadowJK | The maemo5 default battery bar meter is trivial to fool. You can make it show full bars forever (until it dies), you can make it drop first bars almost right away and then live 2 days on the last bar... | 01:43 |
| pronto | this is annoying, all of a sudden xchat is crashing when i try to connect | 01:43 |
| MohammadAG | ifup | 01:43 |
| MohammadAG | ShadowJK, what's a better alternative then | 01:43 |
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| jacekowski | i've just noticed that r&d mode keeps keyboard leds switched on all the time | 01:44 |
| ShadowJK | Well the bq27200 chip is accurate, but the settings in its eeprom are pretty poorly chosen, so it starts with the clibration off by 30 percent and (almost) never recalibrates when bme is in control ;p | 01:45 |
| MohammadAG | only led 1 & 6 | 01:45 |
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| DocScrutinizer | http://www.satphonestore.com/airtime/thuraya-airtime.html | 01:45 |
| SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: that is however irrelevant. | 01:45 |
| ShadowJK | sure, if you postprocess it a bit it's fine | 01:45 |
| SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: While it would make the software slightly easier - there is no reason that BME can't read the charge meters stated capacity '0' in its internal sums just before shutting down | 01:46 |
| ShadowJK | jacekowski, the leds represent cpu activity | 01:46 |
| ShadowJK | SpeedEvil, I'm talking default bme here | 01:46 |
| SpeedEvil | yeah | 01:46 |
| SpeedEvil | I haven't investaged what actually displays the battery bars. | 01:47 |
| SpeedEvil | I suspect it's hald-addon-bme talking to bme | 01:47 |
| SpeedEvil | and then the desktop stack talking to hald-addon-bme | 01:47 |
| ShadowJK | yes | 01:47 |
| ShadowJK | the real question is what crazy shit bme is doing to make up numbers | 01:48 |
| ShadowJK | the funniest thing is when it realizes it's wrong, and slews its meter up, making it look like charging is taking place, over several minutes | 01:49 |
| pronto | is xchat crashing for anyone else O.o | 01:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | nope | 01:49 |
| ShadowJK | nope | 01:50 |
| pronto | just the otherday it was fine | 01:50 |
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| MohammadAG | not me | 01:50 |
| * SpeedEvil tries. | 01:50 | |
| MohammadAG | my net is kinda retarded today though | 01:50 |
| pronto | thats weird | 01:50 |
| MohammadAG | to make it worse, I have to restart a 900MB upload | 01:50 |
| pronto | it works when i connect directly to irc server, and crashes when i connect to my znc | 01:50 |
| MohammadAG | oh god ubuntuhighlycompressed.lzma | 01:50 |
| MohammadAG | 9781056 1% 11.39kB/s 22:50:28 | 01:50 |
| pronto | wtf >.< | 01:51 |
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| n900evil | wfm | 01:51 |
| ShadowJK | rsync is nice, with the keep partial option. resumes, fixes corruption, just gets the job done :> | 01:52 |
| trip0 | wget -c also | 01:53 |
| kerio | ShadowJK: do you really want to know where the bme is pulling numbers from? | 01:53 |
| ShadowJK | no | 01:53 |
| MohammadAG | trip0, for uploads? meh | 01:53 |
| MohammadAG | kerio, it's @$$ | 01:53 |
| MohammadAG | its | 01:53 |
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| MohammadAG | :) | 01:53 |
| MohammadAG | yay 18 hours left x.x | 01:54 |
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| trip0 | ssh to the other side and wget? I'd use rsync in this case | 01:54 |
| luke-jr | yay iotop working | 01:54 |
| SpeedEvil | In many ways BMEs actions are not interesting at all | 01:54 |
| SpeedEvil | What is - slightly - interesting is the interactions with other closed bits of software | 01:55 |
| SpeedEvil | For example - it would be nice to have a working battery meter eith a replacement BME, and the stock battery widget | 01:55 |
| MohammadAG | SpeedEvil, the wifi signal applet's great btw | 01:56 |
| MohammadAG | doesn't make the N900 signal drop | 01:56 |
| MohammadAG | -signal, + drop wifi | 01:56 |
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| SpeedEvil | yeah | 01:57 |
| SpeedEvil | ? | 01:57 |
| SpeedEvil | what do you mean | 01:57 |
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| SpeedEvil | why should it make the signal drop | 01:58 |
| SpeedEvil | I personally want to nuke the existing widget | 01:58 |
| luke-jr | slashdot thinks there are "dozens of companies" working on open source hardware | 01:58 |
| luke-jr | what are they smoking? | 01:58 |
| SpeedEvil | and have one that is like the 2G/3G bars for signal strength. | 01:58 |
| SpeedEvil | luke-jr: I'd say that's probably not inaccurate | 01:59 |
| ShadowJK | I know of opencores and opengraphics :/ | 01:59 |
| SpeedEvil | luke-jr: Most of them are teeeeeny. | 01:59 |
| SpeedEvil | Sparkfun.com and one other spring to mind | 01:59 |
| luke-jr | ShadowJK: *companies*? | 01:59 |
| SpeedEvil | ah | 02:00 |
| SpeedEvil | seedstudio | 02:00 |
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| ShadowJK | I have seedstudio's open oscilloscope :) | 02:00 |
| luke-jr | also, I wonder just how open this hardware is | 02:00 |
| MohammadAG | <SpeedEvil> why should it make the signal drop | 02:00 |
| luke-jr | eg, GPL-on-Windows or GPL-on-GNU? | 02:00 |
| lcuk | cos you are holding it wrong | 02:00 |
| MohammadAG | you said it made the connection drop on your device | 02:00 |
| SpeedEvil | the above examples typically have schematics and code | 02:00 |
| ShadowJK | oh that was jyetech, but sold through seedstudio | 02:01 |
| SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: I did? | 02:01 |
| SpeedEvil | When? | 02:01 |
| luke-jr | SpeedEvil: I'm thinking their dependencies | 02:01 |
| MohammadAG | SpeedEvil, at least that's what I remember | 02:01 |
| luke-jr | so for N900, it depends on OMAP3xxx | 02:01 |
| luke-jr | even if N900's schematics were released, they have a closed dep | 02:01 |
| SpeedEvil | luke-jr: Well - opencores are _NOT_ open then | 02:01 |
| SpeedEvil | As the FPGAs architecture is _completely_ opaque | 02:01 |
| Macer | hm | 02:01 |
| Macer | is there any maemo calendar with caldav support? | 02:01 |
| SpeedEvil | You could make opencores using CPLDs - which are open. | 02:02 |
| asj | well ignore the bloody FPGA, I have no clue as to the contents of the thin firm resistors SpeedEvil! | 02:02 |
| SpeedEvil | But - good luck with your wirewrap tool. | 02:02 |
| luke-jr | SpeedEvil: opencores depends on FPGA specifically? | 02:02 |
| Macer | i want to try it out with my zimbra server | 02:02 |
| SpeedEvil | luke-jr: FPGAs have lots of integral closed parts in the 'compiler' and the internal architecture of the chip | 02:02 |
| SpeedEvil | luke-jr: Going from VHDL to a configuration file for the chip that makes it implement that VHDL is typically completely closed, as is the actual architecture of the chip. | 02:03 |
| asj | luke-jr: core := IP core, hunk of big you shove into an fpga, half synthesised vhdl/verilog | 02:03 |
| luke-jr | does N900 work with CONFIG_ACPI_BATTERY? | 02:03 |
| ShadowJK | lol | 02:03 |
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| SpeedEvil | It's not much fundamentally different to a CPU really. | 02:04 |
| SpeedEvil | luke-jr: no | 02:04 |
| ShadowJK | acpi is a intel x86 thing | 02:04 |
| SpeedEvil | luke-jr: There is no ACPI | 02:04 |
| luke-jr | SpeedEvil: even GPL-on-GNU doesn't include compiler in dependencies | 02:04 |
| luke-jr | powertop says it needs it :( | 02:04 |
| ShadowJK | acpi is like a java intepreter in your kernel, running bytecode it digs up from bios | 02:04 |
| ShadowJK | except worse | 02:04 |
| trip0 | lol | 02:04 |
| SpeedEvil | luke-jr: If you're arguing that the CPU is a dependancy that's required to be open for opensource hardware, you can't claim that you can get round this by using FPGAs - which are just as closed as the internal design of the CPU. | 02:05 |
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| luke-jr | SpeedEvil: I'm not claiming that :) | 02:05 |
| ShadowJK | well, lesswatts.org is an intel project, and lesswatt.org's powertop is made for x86 laptops really :) | 02:05 |
| luke-jr | SpeedEvil: but if the FPGA is just one implementation of some open API, it's not a *direct* dependency | 02:05 |
| trip0 | powertop only works on x86? | 02:05 |
| wjt | So, has anyone tried subclassing Hildon widgets in Python and installing custom signals on them? It seems to be bizarrely broken for me :'( | 02:05 |
| luke-jr | trip0: works for me, jsut doesn't give power amounts | 02:05 |
| luke-jr | only %s | 02:05 |
| SpeedEvil | trip0: the lesswatts one, yes | 02:05 |
| ShadowJK | trip0: i think you get c states and per process wakeup stats on arm with it too | 02:06 |
| SpeedEvil | hmm - it must be reading HAL I guess - which is somewhat suspect | 02:06 |
| luke-jr | HAL is obsolete | 02:06 |
| luke-jr | and not on my system AFAIK | 02:06 |
| ShadowJK | but the nokia powertop also gives you power domain statistics | 02:06 |
| luke-jr | ... | 02:06 |
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| SpeedEvil | luke-jr: However - if you cannot get any FPGA which is open - doesn't this change it? | 02:06 |
| luke-jr | SpeedEvil: arguably, yes | 02:06 |
| SpeedEvil | luke-jr: Also - there are opensource ARMs. | 02:06 |
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| SpeedEvil | luke-jr: Arm and your favourite FAB will gleefully give you full mask documentation. | 02:07 |
| ShadowJK | no powertop on n900 gives you "power amounts". powertop, in any incarnation, is a tool mostly for finding out what's killing idle battery life (and only applies to the power used by the cpu) | 02:08 |
| trip0 | luke-jr, it's still on your n900 system (re: HAL) | 02:08 |
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| Macer | oh | 02:10 |
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| Macer | guess there is no caldav calendar for maemo | 02:10 |
| Macer | :( | 02:10 |
| Macer | -1 | 02:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | dudes, I had that 'open' discussion countless times now, and in the end it's always just a question of "are there datasheets, is there a comprehensive HW API, is it documneted and is it somewhat guaranteed to work the way the docs say" | 02:11 |
| SpeedEvil | But it's opensource! Anyone can develop one. | 02:11 |
| * SpeedEvil looks at his neo1973. | 02:11 | |
| SpeedEvil | Indeed. | 02:11 |
| asj | DocScrutinizer: datasheets don't make hw open | 02:11 |
| Macer | there is no such thing as 100% open hardware ... the chinese ruined that concept | 02:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer | asj: so what do you do with an 'open' process to breed a moncrystal of silicon, to cut the wavers from? | 02:12 |
| ShadowJK | lol what | 02:12 |
| SpeedEvil | asj: you do realise that to make your own modern chip from scratch with an opensource process with all open hardware will require several tens of millions of dollars? | 02:13 |
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| SpeedEvil | Perhaps hundreds of millions? | 02:13 |
| asj | SpeedEvil: of course, it's ridiculous | 02:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer | asj: there's always a limit/frntier where you have to say "ok, that's what I'll touch, it works like this and that, and I don't care how it's done" | 02:13 |
| ShadowJK | Macer, how did they ruin it? The one designed in china product I have has awesome amounts of documentation available, and they used off the shelf chips with datasheets available :) | 02:14 |
| SpeedEvil | Also. | 02:14 |
| SpeedEvil | You can't use any physical object, as you don't have a full grand-unified theory. | 02:14 |
| asj | the argument has no end even ignoring hw for a moment, beyond the boot loader do you have the source for/control of the power controller? it's silly | 02:14 |
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| SpeedEvil | Also - do you have a clear and unambiguous licence from God to say you can use his subatomic particles that way. | 02:16 |
| asj | SpeedEvil: there is no god, so how can I get one? ;) I think we're off topic | 02:17 |
| ShadowJK | let me patent some subatomic particle interactions | 02:17 |
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| ShadowJK | and make your openhw obsolete/closed | 02:17 |
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| SpeedEvil | It's more fun to patent metabolic pathways, then sue your opponents for continuing to use them. | 02:20 |
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| DocScrutinizer | asj: nope we're stringently on topic. There's simply no 'open' system, as even the universe has outer limits. You always can declare openness just for an area up to the area's boundaries. In case of 'open hardware' that's usually the datasheets with description of components properties *as seen by you*, and not how they work internally or how to build them | 02:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer | if you extend the area to building chips, then you hit same limits with the machines used to build the chips | 02:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | how do those work internally - how to build them, are they open? | 02:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | how to cook the steel used to build those open machines | 02:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | how to mine the coal to cook the steel | 02:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's endless | 02:23 |
| asj | DocScrutinizer: I know the argument well, and as a hw guy find them raher boring myself | 02:23 |
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| Macer | muahahahahahaa | 02:31 |
| Macer | haha | 02:31 |
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| dotblank | will this work on the n900? | 02:54 |
| dotblank | http://maemo.org/packages/view/libglu1-mesa/ | 02:54 |
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| dotblank | its for mesa... is there a mesa driver for n900? | 02:54 |
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| smackpotato | anyone here interested in overclocking | 02:56 |
| MohammadAG | ~overclocking | 02:57 |
| infobot | "OK, listen up. This is your CPU." apt drops the CPU into a hot frying pan. "This is your CPU on overclocking. Any questions?" | 02:57 |
| dotblank | http://code.google.com/p/glues/ | 02:57 |
| dotblank | anyone ported this to maemo | 02:57 |
| smackpotato | lol | 02:57 |
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| smackpotato | but im just overclock a little says the addict | 02:58 |
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| smackpotato | anyhow there is a guy that made a module for the milestone that overclocks in a neat way | 03:00 |
| smackpotato | no special kernel needed | 03:00 |
| smackpotato | takers | 03:01 |
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| trip0 | interesting | 03:02 |
| trip0 | but installing the kernel power is so easy | 03:02 |
| smackpotato | ya i have an 810 | 03:02 |
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| ShadowJK | Well first someone would have to figure out how to run it in overclock | 03:04 |
| smackpotato | the milestone-overclock is for an omap3xxx as well. it will take some work to get it working on diablo | 03:04 |
| ShadowJK | before one starts discussing whether to deliver those overclocked settings in a kernel module or in a new kernel or what | 03:04 |
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| smackpotato | there is supost to be a stuckture that pairs the frequncy with voltage, hack that table and you can hack the frequency | 03:06 |
| ShadowJK | There are other issues on n810 | 03:06 |
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| smackpotato | ok go ahead im ears | 03:06 |
| ShadowJK | I only vaguely remember it discussed before, but iirc in order to step up cpu speed the sdram speed would also have to be overclocked to such an extent it has no chance of working | 03:08 |
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| smackpotato | ok im good with that | 03:08 |
| ShadowJK | if it was as easy as changing a table it'd probably already been done :P | 03:09 |
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| ShadowJK | iirc people have experimented with differet dsp/cpu ratios and locks though, like letting the cpu go up to 400 (dropping dsp to 133) even when dsp is in use | 03:10 |
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| ShadowJK | normally if dsp is in use the cpu is limited to 333 because that gives highest dsp speed | 03:10 |
| smackpotato | ShadowJK here is the page where he explained what he was doing you might fined it interesting just the same | 03:10 |
| smackpotato | http://code.google.com/p/milestone-overclock/wiki/Disassembly | 03:11 |
| ShadowJK | How he changes a table isn't really interesting | 03:12 |
| ShadowJK | on maemo we have the kernel sources, we can modify the kernel without disassembly or hacking | 03:12 |
| smackpotato | it was for me I never saw an interesting artical on dissasemble | 03:12 |
| ShadowJK | I mean it's not really interesting/relevant for overclocking N8x0 :P | 03:13 |
| smackpotato | it seems to be some strange science | 03:14 |
| smackpotato | ya im good with the memory problem | 03:14 |
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| smackpotato | he said the milestone was locked down so im sure diablo is more open | 03:15 |
| ShadowJK | yes it is | 03:15 |
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| ShadowJK | it's "trivial" to modify the table | 03:16 |
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| smackpotato | anyway ill ceise an dissist talking about overclocking | 03:16 |
| ShadowJK | but nobody has had anything interesting to put in it :P | 03:16 |
| ShadowJK | I'm actually running overclocked kernel on my N8x0.. | 03:17 |
| ShadowJK | the one that overclocks mmc ;p | 03:17 |
| smackpotato | cool what at | 03:17 |
| smackpotato | ok | 03:17 |
| smackpotato | is it stable | 03:18 |
| ShadowJK | hard to tell | 03:18 |
| smackpotato | is there gain to overclock the memory | 03:18 |
| ShadowJK | an A-data sd card recently died on me if that helps ;) | 03:18 |
| smackpotato | enough info that i dont want to try | 03:19 |
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| ShadowJK | lol | 03:19 |
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| ShadowJK | it was over 1 year old when it died though | 03:20 |
| smackpotato | ramez swap gave the 810 a boost and that was something i didn't want to try | 03:20 |
| smackpotato | i didn't think would work | 03:20 |
| Termana | good morning | 03:20 |
| smackpotato | i think it will speed up my umbutu distribution on my laptop that runs of usb | 03:21 |
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| smackpotato | morning | 03:22 |
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| Macer | so uhm | 03:43 |
| Macer | the calendar doesn't support caldev? | 03:44 |
| Macer | :( | 03:44 |
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| dotblank | is resisitive touchscreen more accurate | 03:50 |
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| N900power | has anyone tried VLC for maemo on the N900? | 03:51 |
| Termana | dotblank, yes. Plainly, capacitive detects heat from your big arse finger, resistive detects pressure at a central point | 03:51 |
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| N900power | vlc anyone? | 03:58 |
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| N900power | rather quiet here today. are people depressed over meego or something? | 04:00 |
| asj | why would that depress anyone? it's grrrreat | 04:01 |
| Macer | crap | 04:01 |
| Macer | looks like caldav is a no go in maemo :( | 04:01 |
| Macer | wtf | 04:01 |
| Macer | iphone can do it :) | 04:01 |
| Macer | i'd rather have a working caldav sync than flash | 04:01 |
| Macer | steve was right | 04:01 |
| Macer | haha | 04:01 |
| N900power | depress because it's replacing our beloved meamo | 04:02 |
| asj | Macer: what do you need caldav for? | 04:02 |
| N900power | may I ask what caldav is? | 04:02 |
| Macer | to sync a calendar :-P | 04:02 |
| Macer | i run zimbra and it supports caldav | 04:03 |
| Macer | i want to be able to sync the calendar to my phone's calendar | 04:03 |
| asj | Macer: no syncml? | 04:03 |
| Macer | which i could do if it had caldav support :) | 04:03 |
| Macer | syncml? | 04:03 |
| asj | yet another syncing method | 04:03 |
| Macer | isn't that like some crap you have to run as a separate server? | 04:03 |
| Macer | that seems redundant considering caldav is a standard :) | 04:04 |
| asj | Macer: <boggle> | 04:04 |
| Macer | heh | 04:04 |
| Macer | there's a bug for it tho | 04:04 |
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| N900power | what's a good video player for maemo besides the built in on N900? | 04:05 |
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| Macer | The scope of bugs.maemo.org are bugs and only very specific and no-brainer | 04:05 |
| Macer | enhancement requests. This report contains a feature request that is too | 04:05 |
| Macer | generic for bugs.maemo.org. | 04:05 |
| Macer | ok seriously | 04:05 |
| Macer | maemo has a bunch of douches running their bugzilla | 04:05 |
| mortini | not entirely uncommon for open source projects. | 04:06 |
| Macer | but seriously | 04:06 |
| Macer | the people that screen the bugs are like "this is too broad".. "not enough information" | 04:06 |
| Macer | and they are simple enhancement requests | 04:06 |
| asj | especially ones that are winding down | 04:06 |
| Macer | "add caldav support" | 04:06 |
| Macer | i mean that isn't specific enough? | 04:07 |
| mortini | Macer: you mean like 'mail sorting'? | 04:07 |
| Macer | heh | 04:07 |
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| mortini | oh wait. that's not an enchancement. that's a request to re-include removed capabilities. | 04:07 |
| Macer | one i filed was "add bluetooth keyboard support to the settings like it was in maemo4 and have direct support for bt hid" | 04:07 |
| Macer | that wasn't specific enough :) | 04:07 |
| Macer | mortini: true | 04:08 |
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| Macer | i sure hope meego doesn't bring these idiots over with them | 04:08 |
| Macer | they remind me of postal workers who throw mail in the garbage so they don't have to deliver it | 04:08 |
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| Macer | i mean seriously... "add caldav support to the maemo calendar" | 04:08 |
| asj | Macer: is never going to happen | 04:09 |
| Kegetys | doesn't matter much what they do, if it is left open then a nokia guy will just come and close it as WONTFIX | 04:09 |
| Macer | that isn't no-brainer enough? | 04:09 |
| asj | Macer: nope | 04:09 |
| Macer | haha | 04:09 |
| Macer | ah well | 04:09 |
| Macer | maybe it's time to swap over to a closed off phone :) | 04:09 |
| Macer | i'm going to wait on meego though. it looks promising.. but if this is how enhancement requests get treated it will be stale | 04:10 |
| asj | Macer: let's assume you can pull and sync data from the calendar, syncml client does it. Next it's an OS that's getting no new dev, just bug maintenance. So adding a new feature won't happen. The community also has the tools to do it. | 04:10 |
| Macer | wow | 04:10 |
| Macer | :) | 04:10 |
| Macer | asj: this bug was filed in nov 2009 when maemo was fairly new | 04:11 |
| Macer | and that was their answer | 04:11 |
| Macer | like i said. i seriously hope meego fires whoever the hell looks these bugs over | 04:11 |
| asj | then you should have made a case for it | 04:11 |
| Macer | it wasn't my bug. i just happened to be looking for a way to sync my calendar to my zimbra server | 04:12 |
| Macer | and read the answer and just felt anger towards the asshole who replied and moved it | 04:12 |
| Macer | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6413 | 04:12 |
| povbot` | Bug 6413: Add Caldav Support | 04:12 |
| Macer | amazing | 04:12 |
| Termana | Macer, Just in case you didn't know, the people who handle bug reports are probably idling here | 04:12 |
| Macer | Termana: good. then maybe they will realize they aren't delivering | 04:13 |
| Macer | :) | 04:13 |
| asj | Macer: you haven't made a good case though, who cares about zimbra? :) | 04:13 |
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| Macer | caldav is a standard for syncing | 04:13 |
| Macer | google uses it | 04:13 |
| Termana | Macer, besides i think the comment left was obvious. They said that you need to post it to Brainstorm, the appropriate place for enhancements | 04:13 |
| Macer | zimbra uses it | 04:14 |
| asj | Macer: good uses mfe too and syncml | 04:14 |
| Macer | i'm sure most suites have support for it :) | 04:14 |
| asj | err google | 04:14 |
| Termana | You can't sit there and complain that your bug got closed if you put your request in the wrong place | 04:14 |
| Macer | Termana: i didn't | 04:14 |
| Macer | it is an old bug :) | 04:14 |
| Macer | product: calendar | 04:15 |
| Macer | severity: enhancement | 04:15 |
| Macer | that alone doesn't say "hey. this product requires an enhancement" | 04:15 |
| Macer | ? | 04:15 |
| Macer | why? because caldav is a standard for syncing calendars. | 04:15 |
| Macer | it is like saying "maemo doesn't have ssh support. can it be added as an enhancement?" | 04:16 |
| Macer | no. because that is too broad | 04:16 |
| Macer | :) | 04:16 |
| Macer | anyways. let me look and see about getting an android phone. android supports caldav :) | 04:17 |
| Macer | hahaha | 04:17 |
| Termana | Macer, also, that asshole that moved it, your talking about #3? | 04:17 |
| Termana | "that asshole that moved it"* (quoting you, thats not what I said) | 04:17 |
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| Macer | nokiaians don't walk on water :) either way. asj was correct. it is a dead os | 04:18 |
| asj | Macer: reading the bug report it reads very differnetly from what you imply and he's right | 04:19 |
| Macer | 6 months out the gate.. i will wait for meego to develop and just stick with wherever it goes or wait to get a new phone. whichever comes first | 04:19 |
| asj | it's not a small enhancement, and here's a forum dedicated to larger feature enhancements | 04:19 |
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| Termana | I never said Nokians walk on water. The bug reporter was asked to resubmit their enhancement to the appropriate place. If that makes them "assholes" hell, I wonder what they are for other things they have done. | 04:21 |
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| Macer | Termana: the problem is that you see this type of bug movement everywhere | 04:22 |
| Macer | like i said.. .the bugzilla reminds me of postal workers who throw mail away | 04:22 |
| Macer | :) | 04:22 |
| Macer | either way. as i said. asj was completely correct | 04:22 |
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| Macer | it is a 6 month old dead os and i will hope meego comes along or go to another phone | 04:22 |
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| asj | Macer: why can't you write it instead of complaining? | 04:23 |
| Termana | Macer, so what your saying is that people aren't submitting their stuff to the right place, so we should blame the people running the bugzilla. | 04:23 |
| Macer | because like you said. it's a dead os :) | 04:23 |
| Macer | no what i am saying is that it was an enhancement request that got pawned off elsewhere | 04:23 |
| Macer | like a doctor who didn't want to do the surgery because he didn't want to screw up his stats | 04:23 |
| asj | Macer: and why has Zimbra ignored the syncml feature? They must really hate you, what a bunch of assholes | 04:23 |
| N900power | why did Nokia fuck up so much... 6 month old dead os... fuck! | 04:24 |
| Macer | asj: because they decided to stick with the standard :) | 04:24 |
| Termana | N900power, don't be a hater your going to get MeeGo. | 04:24 |
| asj | Macer: there isn't a standard | 04:24 |
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| asj | Macer: there are many standards, sorry that Zimbra has you can chose the wrong one | 04:24 |
| N900power | I'm not buying meego...guarantee it !!! For what??? another new os in 6 fucken months?? | 04:25 |
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| asj | N900power: then why you here? | 04:25 |
| Termana | N900power, who said anything about buying? You'll be getting it free on your n900. | 04:25 |
| Macer | N900power: remember sega? | 04:25 |
| N900power | meego on n900??? too many confusing stories | 04:26 |
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| Macer | N900power: i'm sure it will be developed until the intel powered n910 comes out.. then it will be tossed away and never work on an n900 :) | 04:26 |
| N900power | they lied to us | 04:27 |
| Macer | yup :) | 04:27 |
| DrGrov | Nokia has yet again internally done a really nice fuck up work | 04:27 |
| N900power | they said "here's N900 - the greatest and the latest" and then they give middle finger to developers and consumers. | 04:28 |
| asj | N900power: how do you figure? | 04:28 |
| Macer | well... i wouldn't go so far as to say it was the latest and greatest by the time it actually came out | 04:29 |
| N900power | asj: by introducing new os within 6 months of N900 | 04:29 |
| Macer | all that aside. i think it is an awesome phone and maemo really did do a good job with making agood portable linux distro | 04:29 |
| SpeedEvil | Nokia burned down my house, and raped my goats! Dealbreaker! | 04:29 |
| asj | N900power: where all all the qt apps run and work still? | 04:29 |
| Macer | SpeedEvil: hahahaha | 04:30 |
| N900power | I absolutely love my N900 ! wanna make that clear....but....why is nokia treating it like a bastard child??? | 04:30 |
| Macer | because.. n8 has facebook and "social network" capabilities | 04:30 |
| SpeedEvil | Because there is no Nokia. | 04:30 |
| Macer | :) | 04:30 |
| Macer | when it comes out | 04:31 |
| Macer | 6 months late | 04:31 |
| SpeedEvil | There are as many nokias as there are Nokia employees. | 04:31 |
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| Arkenoi | N900power, it has been that way with communicator series since 1996 | 04:31 |
| SpeedEvil | All of them with varying levels of influence. | 04:31 |
| Macer | SpeedEvil: do they make them by hand? :) | 04:31 |
| Macer | and sign the inside of each one individually? hehe | 04:31 |
| Ljrn900 | desperate for flashlight app | 04:31 |
| Ljrn900 | help plz | 04:31 |
| SpeedEvil | And that influence changes over time, which affects how products are done. | 04:31 |
| SpeedEvil | So install it. | 04:31 |
| N900power | the defenders are making things worse....pathetic | 04:31 |
| Ljrn900 | what is it called | 04:32 |
| asj | N900power: soo...all the apps still working is a BAD thing? | 04:32 |
| Macer | SpeedEvil: i saw the conference where the finnish guy was showing the world how hip nokia was by jumping on myspace and facebook 2 years after the rest of the world :) | 04:32 |
| Macer | n900 got 3 mins | 04:32 |
| Macer | facebook got 45mins | 04:32 |
| Macer | haha | 04:32 |
| peb | Hi folks, just going crazy over BT. My Plantronics Headset worked on the E90, on the iPhone ... and now it's the 2nd night I try to get it working on the N900 ... no pairing. Probably I'm to stupid for the N900 ... | 04:32 |
| SpeedEvil | Macer: ... | 04:32 |
| DrGrov | Nokia is actually digging its own grave slowly but steadily | 04:32 |
| DrGrov | Unless things really start to change | 04:33 |
| Ljrn900 | desperate for flashlight app | 04:33 |
| Macer | Ljrn900: use the led flashlight app | 04:33 |
| SpeedEvil | Macer: yeah - important people get to think their opinions actually matter | 04:33 |
| N900power | am I the only one who thinks meego is ugly? looking at the screenshots. | 04:33 |
| Macer | SpeedEvil: tell that to enron :) | 04:33 |
| SpeedEvil | Macer: Which - generally - they don't, and they are 20 years behind the times. | 04:33 |
| SpeedEvil | Macer: Well - apart from visionaries like Madoff. | 04:33 |
| N900power | how will meego do in the market??? nobody cares | 04:34 |
| Macer | like i said. i don't even like apple.. but say what you want about an iphone.. the rest of the industry has been playing catch up for years | 04:34 |
| Macer | and in the end i think i'll have to jump on the bandwagon because they seem to do things right most of the time :) | 04:34 |
| Macer | whether it is simply good marketing... or the fact that their products actually come out on time.. or whatever... they are doing something right that nobody else can seem to do | 04:35 |
| N900power | people say the os is open...who cares?????? who gives a flying fuck if maemo/meego is open???? who????? | 04:35 |
| SpeedEvil | Frankly, n900 pretty much works for most of the things I want it for. | 04:35 |
| asj | N900power: me | 04:35 |
| SpeedEvil | N900power: Me, for example. | 04:35 |
| Macer | SpeedEvil: i agree ;) | 04:35 |
| N900power | but why???? | 04:35 |
| SpeedEvil | N900power: Whether a 'normal' user should care - probably not. | 04:35 |
| asj | N900power: because I can write apps I want for it | 04:36 |
| Arkenoi | N900power, actually i do. and if you go with apple, say goodbye to all emulators and scripting. | 04:36 |
| SpeedEvil | N900power: because I can compile ffmpeg on the device and try stupid shit. | 04:36 |
| Macer | but in hindsight... i should have just kept using my n810 and used an android phone.. at least the n810 would work with a bluetooth keyboard out the box ;) | 04:36 |
| ieatlint | just as a note -- it's not realistic to say apple's phone "come out on time" | 04:36 |
| peb | N900power: I care, too. had an iPhone now for a year, and like to manage my own rights and what I read on my MDA | 04:36 |
| N900power | I understand | 04:36 |
| ieatlint | they don't announce them until like 2 weeks before they are released | 04:36 |
| Macer | ieatlint: then we will put that under the good marketing column ;) | 04:36 |
| asj | ieatlint: well they left it in a bar a couple of months early... ;) | 04:37 |
| ieatlint | Macer: no doubt, they know how to sell a product | 04:37 |
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| DrGrov | Kind of funny using an Android phone and get the nice peaking eye of Google checking up on even when you are taking a dump | 04:37 |
| ieatlint | handle issues... hehe, maybe not so much | 04:37 |
| Macer | instead of the nokia get everybody hyped up about a product that will be 4 months late and be missing half of the features the product before had | 04:37 |
| Arkenoi | N900power, and there are still no unified comminucations on the iphone thus making it obsolete communication device de facto | 04:37 |
| Macer | but the hardware will be a little better | 04:37 |
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| N900power | Arkenoi: how do you figure? | 04:37 |
| asj | Macer: so don't buy a nokia meego product | 04:37 |
| Macer | :).. honestly i think opensourcing the nokia products has done more harm than good... all it really has ... is saved nokia money for development | 04:38 |
| SpeedEvil | Macer: It hasn't been done well. | 04:38 |
| Macer | and saved money for research required for said development | 04:38 |
| SpeedEvil | Macer: Or rather. | 04:38 |
| SpeedEvil | It hasn't been done optimally. | 04:38 |
| Arkenoi | N900power, if you have to run "instant messaging app" to use instant messaging and "voip app" to use voip that means your phone just sucks. It is 2010. | 04:38 |
| Macer | because they can just blame "the community" for the state of a failed product | 04:38 |
| N900power | I would rather be caught dead than buy a Nokia meego product. NEVER!!! I | 04:38 |
| SpeedEvil | It would have been lovely to - at the start - highlight the open bits that can be fixed. | 04:39 |
| N900power | Fuck meego | 04:39 |
| peb | SUCCESS !!! I finally attached that bloody BT Plantronics to the N900. | 04:39 |
| Macer | SpeedEvil: no kidding | 04:39 |
| Macer | i saw that when Stskeeps was pulling out his hair over the n8x0 :) | 04:39 |
| SpeedEvil | For example - much of hildon - modest | 04:39 |
| N900power | will there be more updates for N900 or is 1.2 it ? | 04:40 |
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| SpeedEvil | I personally would expect an update from 1.2 | 04:41 |
| SpeedEvil | there are a number of outstanding internally fixed issues. | 04:41 |
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| Arkenoi | actually there is just one "phone 2.0" product on the market and it is n900 (palm pre does not count). there are some "phones 1.5" like android and everything other just sucks. | 04:41 |
| SpeedEvil | But who knows. | 04:41 |
| N900power | what issues? SpeedEvil: an example please | 04:42 |
| Termana | Oh btw | 04:42 |
| Termana | Macer, Apple makes great aerial designs I heard. | 04:42 |
| ieatlint | yeah, the n900 has this awesome feature where you can hold any part of the phone | 04:43 |
| SpeedEvil | ieatlint: actually. | 04:43 |
| SpeedEvil | ieatlint: hand over the right-handside of the top, with the screen up - as you would when using the keyboard naturally - and 3g gets substantially weaker | 04:43 |
| SpeedEvil | it's a problem with all phones. | 04:43 |
| SpeedEvil | N900power: err | 04:43 |
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| ieatlint | i can honestly say i've not noticed that | 04:44 |
| ieatlint | and that i chose my wording there carefully so as not to say your claim is untrue :P | 04:44 |
| SpeedEvil | ieatlint: I live in a 1700s house with 0.5m stone walls. | 04:44 |
| ieatlint | lol | 04:44 |
| SpeedEvil | ieatlint: And am - I think - 3km from the cell tower I'm connected to. | 04:44 |
| ieatlint | that's ridiculous | 04:45 |
| ieatlint | my 3g coverage at home is spotty, but it's because i live by hills in a park | 04:45 |
| Termana | Macer, I also heard that they make great screens, great sensors, great software, and yes, the iPhone even doesn't give off a shock | 04:45 |
| Termana | http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=951913 | 04:45 |
| Termana | iPhone Problems - one is listed "Possibly shocking people" | 04:46 |
| Termana | iPhone 4* | 04:46 |
| Termana | But of course. Apple is doing everything right. | 04:46 |
| Termana | Especially ignoring the issue. Fantastic, I think we should have more of it. //sarcasim | 04:47 |
| dotblank | Is opengles only in sdl1.3? | 04:47 |
| Arkenoi | my 3g coverage at home is spotty as well, and that is because my network operator has some frequency licensing problems | 04:47 |
| Macer | Termana: heh. maybe. all i am saying is that i have yet to see an open sourced anything defeat a closed source created in house | 04:48 |
| ieatlint | eh, you can continue your hardware bashing of the iphone 4 (i also like the malfunctioning proximity sensors), but you're kinda yelling at the wind as they turn around and sell millions of devices overnight | 04:48 |
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| Macer | minus apache ;) | 04:48 |
| Macer | apache is awesome | 04:48 |
| SpeedEvil | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7190 n | 04:48 |
| povbot` | Bug 7190: music stutters while multi-tasking, especially browsing web | 04:48 |
| ieatlint | next up we can have a beta vs vhs discussion -- beta is much better quality guys! | 04:48 |
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| * SpeedEvil has difficulties, and gets out an electron microscope. | 04:49 | |
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| asj | Termana: you're just holding it wrong ;) | 04:49 |
| Macer | Termana: i'm willing to bet they will get past the shocking iphone4 problem way better than nokia is going to get past the piss poor open source development support problem | 04:51 |
| Macer | :) | 04:51 |
| Termana | Macer, I love how you tried to use disproportionate issues to try and make a point | 04:52 |
| Macer | i know. thought i slipped by in the crowd :) | 04:52 |
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| ieatlint | maybe the slogan "porn friendly without java!" should be thrown around a bit more then | 04:56 |
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| N900power | has anyone tried vlc on maemo? | 05:06 |
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| MohammadAG | deja vu | 05:09 |
| N900power | what? | 05:10 |
| Termana | MohammadAG, lol | 05:10 |
| Termana | MohammadAG, 100 internets to you sir :P | 05:10 |
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| N900power | fuck it | 05:12 |
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| MohammadAG | export internet=$ | 05:14 |
| smackpotato | ive got a stream from vlc going | 05:14 |
| MohammadAG | infobot, $100 | 05:14 |
| * infobot gives mohammadag full service! | 05:14 | |
| MohammadAG | ty Termana | 05:14 |
| N900power | videos play choppy on mine | 05:14 |
| smackpotato | using mplayer is that what you want to do N900power | 05:15 |
| N900power | ok | 05:15 |
| N900power | smackpotato | 05:15 |
| smackpotato | i used wget and piped it into mplayer. it was a long time ago | 05:16 |
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| Ljrn900 | can i get maemo to use socks? | 05:17 |
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| SpeedEvil | http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Black-sleeve-sock-case-Nokia-N900-/230489818327?cmd=ViewItem&pt=UK_MobilePhones_MobilePhonesCasesPouches&hash=item35aa4384d7 | 05:20 |
| N900power | how do I use mplayer? do i need to install anything else on n900? | 05:20 |
| SpeedEvil | kmplayer is what you probably want - mplayer is console only | 05:20 |
| smackpotato | you have to install mplayer | 05:20 |
| SpeedEvil | Ljrn900: you mean to connect programs on the n900 through socks? | 05:21 |
| smackpotato | if you dont have it. | 05:21 |
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| N900power | there is kmplayer and mplayer in repos...which one? | 05:21 |
| smackpotato | mplayer | 05:22 |
| N900power | ok | 05:22 |
| pigeon | anyone using ringtoned? | 05:22 |
| N900power | and what next? | 05:22 |
| smackpotato | do you want to stream something from your desktop or the internet | 05:23 |
| N900power | no, just play videos from memory card | 05:23 |
| SpeedEvil | Does the built in media player not play them? | 05:24 |
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| N900power | no...and i have extra codecs installed | 05:24 |
| smackpotato | cool then open a terminal type mplayer /file you want to play | 05:24 |
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| SpeedEvil | kmplayer is a GUI I think | 05:25 |
| pigeon | there's also one or two mplayer frontends in the repo, which you might find handy too. | 05:25 |
| N900power | it's an mp4 file | 05:25 |
| smackpotato | there are other options for mplayer | 05:25 |
| smackpotato | yes kmplayer is a good front end if you dont like the command line | 05:26 |
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| Ljrn900 | ... | 05:27 |
| N900power | shoot... it doesnt find my file | 05:27 |
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| smackpotato | have you tried km player yet | 05:28 |
| N900power | installing it now | 05:28 |
| smackpotato | cool | 05:29 |
| smackpotato | brb | 05:29 |
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| N900power | no luck...for some reason this .m4v file doesnt wanna play | 05:31 |
| pigeon | it plays on your desktop with mplayer? | 05:32 |
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| N900power | no...i didnt try | 05:33 |
| N900power | i mean...it plays with vlc on a windoz machine | 05:33 |
| pigeon | oh | 05:33 |
| Ljrn900 | can i get maemo to use socks? | 05:34 |
| SpeedEvil | What do you mean by that Ljrn900 | 05:34 |
| asj | Ljrn900: wow someone still uses socks? | 05:35 |
| SpeedEvil | I was using it earlier rather than configure USB networking properly | 05:35 |
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| pigeon | yeah, pretty useful with ssh -D | 05:36 |
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| dotblank | screen resolution is 800x480 | 05:41 |
| dotblank | rigjht? | 05:41 |
| MohammadAG51 | yeah | 05:42 |
| N900power | ok...got it...thanks for your help folks | 05:42 |
| smackpotato | glad to be of assistance | 05:43 |
| opdf2 | anyone try geuine BL-5J from Amazon? | 05:43 |
| pigeon | Ljrn900: i suppose it depends on what you want to do. I believe most default application the n900 doesn't support socks. But for example, if you have firefox installed then you can tell it to use socks. | 05:43 |
| pigeon | Ljrn900: or you could use something like tsocks, which might work with any apps | 05:44 |
| * pigeon just notices tsocks is in maemo repo. | 05:44 | |
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| opdf2 | anyone know the address of the desktop version of Google Reader? | 06:07 |
| opdf2 | MicroB is being forwarded to mobile version | 06:07 |
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| Ljrn900 | pigeon i need to install flashlight | 06:15 |
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| Ljrn900 | asj ssh supports socks | 06:16 |
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| Ljrn900 | server i mean | 06:16 |
| asj | Ljrn900: gotcha | 06:16 |
| opdf2 | nm its http://www.google.com/reader/view/?tab=my | 06:17 |
| pigeon | flashlight? | 06:17 |
| Ljrn900 | and easier than tap on n900 kb | 06:17 |
| Ljrn900 | pigeon i have no power | 06:17 |
| Ljrn900 | dark | 06:17 |
| pigeon | ah | 06:17 |
| Ljrn900 | candles don't cut it | 06:18 |
| Ljrn900 | and tmobile blocks port 80 | 06:18 |
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| pigeon | why do you have no power? | 06:19 |
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| Ljrn900 | pigeon tornado | 06:24 |
| pigeon | ah | 06:26 |
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| iBrokeMeFone | i need help | 06:39 |
| iBrokeMeFone | the bad news, my maemo is in a reboot loop | 06:40 |
| iBrokeMeFone | the good news, I have a working NITDroid setup which does boot up | 06:40 |
| SpeedEvil | Do you know in what way you broke it? | 06:40 |
| iBrokeMeFone | i can acces a terminal and even read the internal rootfs | 06:41 |
| iBrokeMeFone | I was installing a bunch of stuff with fappman in maemo, when it was last working | 06:41 |
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| SpeedEvil | Is there a reason not to just flash the rootfs? | 06:43 |
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| iBrokeMeFone | yeah, the last time i did a backup was a while ago, and I dont wnat to go through the pain of setting up all applications and settings, and everything all over again | 06:45 |
| iBrokeMeFone | is there a logfile or something in rootfs that i can use to find out whats causing it to fail? | 06:46 |
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| Macer | hi | 06:48 |
| Ljrn900 | so... whats the flashlight app called? ?? | 06:48 |
| Macer | ssl freenode ftw | 06:48 |
| Macer | anybody want some credit card numbers? | 06:48 |
| iBrokeMeFone | when I look in /var/log the only things I see are pycentral.log, and maemo-optify-boottime.log | 06:49 |
| SpeedEvil | Ljrn900: flashlight | 06:49 |
| iBrokeMeFone | and the interesting thing, is that the modified time on maemo-optify-boottime.log, is after the reboot loop started happening | 06:50 |
| SpeedEvil | http://maemo.org/packages/view/flashlight-applet/ | 06:50 |
| iBrokeMeFone | at what stage in the boot process does maemo-optify-boottime.log get written to? | 06:50 |
| dotblank | does "SDL 1.3 supports OpenGL ES 1.x. This does not seem to work in the N900 as of now." | 06:52 |
| dotblank | is that still true.. it works on the iphone | 06:52 |
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| Ljrn900 | speed3vil its not in app mgr | 06:55 |
| SpeedEvil | you probably have to enable extras | 06:56 |
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| iBrokeMeFone | there is also a file rb.log in root, which was also modified the last time i tried booting maemo | 06:58 |
| SpeedEvil | http://maemo.org/downloads/product/Maemo5/flashlight-applet/ | 06:58 |
| SpeedEvil | jas a direct install link | 06:58 |
| Ljrn900 | ty | 07:00 |
| Ljrn900 | 35500 w/o power | 07:00 |
| Ljrn900 | woops 32500 | 07:01 |
| Ljrn900 | somehow i doubt i am high on the priority list | 07:01 |
| Ljrn900 | :( | 07:01 |
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| N900power | what is socks? | 07:11 |
| ham5 | proxy | 07:12 |
| N900power | ok | 07:12 |
| ham5 | en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SOCKS | 07:12 |
| iBrokeMeFone | so does anyone know what this maemo-optify-boottime is? | 07:14 |
| N900power | i dont | 07:14 |
| ham5 | as fas as what | 07:15 |
| ham5 | s/fas/far/ | 07:15 |
| infobot | ham5 meant: as far as what | 07:15 |
| ham5 | sure did | 07:16 |
| iBrokeMeFone | what does it do, and at which point in the boot process does it get loaded? | 07:16 |
| psycho_oreos | iBrokeMeFone, moves large files from / directory apart from MyDocs/ and /opt to ?opt and symlink it | 07:17 |
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| iBrokeMeFone | psycho_oreos: thanks | 07:17 |
| psycho_oreos | iBrokeMeFone, hence optify | 07:18 |
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| iBrokeMeFone | my maemo is in a reboot loop, but luckily NITDroid still boots up | 07:18 |
| Ljrn900 | lol i had it all along! | 07:18 |
| iBrokeMeFone | using a terminal in android was able to look at maemos rootfs | 07:19 |
| ham5 | dont want to just reflash it? | 07:19 |
| iBrokeMeFone | and i wanted to check /var/log, for any info on whats causing the reboot loop | 07:19 |
| iBrokeMeFone | id rather not reflash yet, if i can avoid it | 07:20 |
| ham5 | pastebin the dmesg | 07:20 |
| ham5 | ill have a look :) | 07:21 |
| iBrokeMeFone | how do i get a dmesg of maemos last boot attempt? | 07:21 |
| ham5 | just type dmesg > fileoutput.txt | 07:22 |
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| psycho_oreos | not when he"s in nitdroid :) | 07:22 |
| ham5 | ? | 07:23 |
| ham5 | cant copy a file to it? | 07:23 |
| iBrokeMeFone | right, it will only show nitdroid's info | 07:23 |
| psycho_oreos | <iBrokeMeFone> my maemo is in a reboot loop, but luckily NITDroid still boots up | 07:23 |
| ham5 | I thought you were sshd into maemo | 07:23 |
| ham5 | from the nitdroid | 07:23 |
| iBrokeMeFone | i wish i could do that | 07:23 |
| ham5 | I donno what nitdroid is I though tit was a droid os phone or something | 07:24 |
| psycho_oreos | nitdroid is google's android on nokia internet tablets | 07:24 |
| ham5 | ic | 07:24 |
| ham5 | so your dual booting ? | 07:25 |
| iBrokeMeFone | so does maemo leave any traces in rootfs that would help trobleshoot a failed boot? | 07:25 |
| ham5 | iBrokeMeFone | 07:25 |
| iBrokeMeFone | yup | 07:25 |
| psycho_oreos | the only other possible way is to chroot into maemo, create maemo uml and get droid's kernel support for uml and boot it | 07:25 |
| ham5 | if its rebooting its probly booted ... its finding out to what point... check out the dmesg log file | 07:25 |
| iBrokeMeFone | ohno, the terminal in android doesn't have the chroot command | 07:27 |
| psycho_oreos | problem is that maemo doesn't create dmesg.log file by default.. and whilst he's on nitdroid, using their kernel, there's no way he can extract maemo's dmesg log or /var/log/messages because they're not available | 07:27 |
| ham5 | its called syslog | 07:27 |
| ham5 | cat /var/log/syslog | 07:28 |
| iBrokeMeFone | ham5: I cant check the maemo's dmesg, cause it doesn't get to a gui before it already starts rebooting itself again | 07:28 |
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| iBrokeMeFone | the only thing in var/log is this maemo-optify-boottime.log | 07:28 |
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| psycho_oreos | I don't have syslog dump inside /var/log | 07:29 |
| Ljrn900 | lol fml | 07:29 |
| ham5 | Nokia-N900:/var/log# ls | 07:29 |
| ham5 | autodisconnect.log maemo-optify-boottime.log syslog | 07:29 |
| ham5 | lircd pycentral.log syslog.old | 07:29 |
| Ljrn900 | i *am*last on the powerfix priority | 07:29 |
| Ljrn900 | :( | 07:29 |
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| psycho_oreos | Nokia-N900:~# ls /var/log | 07:30 |
| psycho_oreos | autodisconnect.log maemo-optify-boottime.log pycentral.log | 07:30 |
| ham5 | u runnin the 1.2 anyway? | 07:30 |
| psycho_oreos | sounds like some addon or something to be able to allow syslog dumps | 07:30 |
| psycho_oreos | yeah, but my phone works, trying to sort of assist iBrokeMeFone | 07:30 |
| * swc|666 stares @ psycho_oreos 's redmine tickets | 07:30 | |
| * psycho_oreos tells swc|666 his phone will need reflashing soon, broke something big :) | 07:31 | |
| swc|666 | psycho_oreos, you broke something? | 07:31 |
| psycho_oreos | last time I tried to kill parent process of that mailer client it forced reboot, since then my n900 has been acting weird | 07:32 |
| swc|666 | reflsh it | 07:32 |
| swc|666 | reflash* | 07:32 |
| psycho_oreos | problem is that I'm not too keen on it, have to backup data first lol | 07:32 |
| swc|666 | ah u didnt back up first? | 07:32 |
| swc|666 | flashing i seasy | 07:33 |
| swc|666 | is ez* | 07:33 |
| psycho_oreos | nah I haven't reflashed it yet but am going to dump the backup stuff | 07:33 |
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| psycho_oreos | it is, just installing things back is the bitch :) | 07:33 |
| ham5 | flasher should be able to backup too | 07:33 |
| ham5 | :( | 07:33 |
| * psycho_oreos notes the crappy ovi service giving `grace time' for every deb file downloaded and installed from that service | 07:34 | |
| psycho_oreos | I've wrote a hack script to sort of alleviate that | 07:34 |
| Ljrn900 | gonna close xchat to save battery | 07:35 |
| iBrokeMeFone | i remember reading some place that someone modified apt, to allow it to install ovi stuff without errors | 07:35 |
| Ljrn900 | night | 07:35 |
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| iBrokeMeFone | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=736315&postcount=11 | 07:36 |
| psycho_oreos | swc|666, dunno how you managed to be able to kill that emailer client without having it respawn :) must be a script someone to disable or something.. have to dive deep | 07:37 |
| psycho_oreos | iBrokeMeFone, ahh nice, ta | 07:37 |
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| * iBrokeMeFone is of to off to see the wizard of reflash, as there doesn't seem to be an easy way to resuscitate a maemo install from within nitdroid | 07:40 | |
| psycho_oreos | swc|666, btw I'm on me other connection, can't connect to redmine :) | 07:40 |
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| swc|666 | psycho_oreos, modest you mean? | 07:41 |
| psycho_oreos | swc|666, yeah, everytime I send a kill -9 it respawns under a new pid | 07:42 |
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| ham5 | why are there 2 of most the processes anyway? | 07:45 |
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| psycho_oreos | swc|666, still can't access redmine with different ISP :) | 07:52 |
| swc|666 | psycho_oreos, try again | 07:53 |
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| psycho_oreos | swc|666, kk, ta | 07:53 |
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| psycho_oreos | swc|666, no dice | 07:56 |
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| Lazy^ | Heya, since Spotify released Linux-Client in .deb format, is it coming for N900 now ? =) | 09:21 |
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| Stskeeps | if it is built for ARM too.. | 09:22 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 09:22 |
| Lazy^ | hehe, i was thinking that maybe now there is small option for good spotify client for n900 =) | 09:24 |
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| Termana | Stskeeps, then again, it doesn't have to be built for ARM either if you use qemu in usermode. | 09:26 |
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| * Termana goes and bes a masochist somewhere else :P | 09:26 | |
| peb | Lazy, do you know of a program on the N900 similiar to Shazamm (or is it already released for the N900)? | 09:26 |
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| Stskeeps | Termana: know of anything regarding DVFS on n8x0? | 09:29 |
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| Termana | Stskeeps, What do you want to know about it? | 09:31 |
| Stskeeps | Termana: well, i suspect the dynamic voltage stuff is missing on 2.6.35 | 09:31 |
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| Stskeeps | ie, no cpu frequency scaling | 09:33 |
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| Termana | Stskeeps, sounds plausible. Posting Jul 2 for Basic DVFS framework patches for OMAP - http://www.spinics.net/lists/linux-omap/msg33013.html | 09:34 |
| Stskeeps | mm, no mention of omap2 | 09:35 |
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| Termana | Stskeeps, is it only the original .21 kernel that supports DVFS or did earlier linux-omap kernels support it as well? | 09:38 |
| Stskeeps | that's a good question | 09:38 |
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| Stskeeps | frankly, i don't know, but i suspect our slowness comes from the fact we're running lowest freq ;) | 09:39 |
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| Termana | Stskeeps, that might also explain why Diablo was always slow with my kernels | 09:42 |
| Stskeeps | care to dig into the issue a bit? | 09:42 |
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| Stskeeps | ~wifi-psm | 09:46 |
| infobot | i guess wifi-psm is http://wiki.maemo.org/Wifi_Power_Saving_Mode_(PSM) | 09:46 |
| Termana | Stskeeps, I'll have a look tonight (my time - few hours from now). | 09:47 |
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| Stskeeps | k | 09:47 |
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| LiraNuna | anyone has experience with N900's A2DP? | 09:58 |
| LiraNuna | is there a way I can make the "play button" autostart the media player? | 09:58 |
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| Termana | Stskeeps, do me a favour? If your at a terminal on your n810 with a .35-rc3 kernel type this: | 10:00 |
| Termana | cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_available_frequencies | 10:01 |
| Stskeeps | cpufreq/ is empty | 10:01 |
| LiraNuna | whoa, N810 with .35? | 10:01 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, .35-rc4 | 10:01 |
| LiraNuna | what doesn't work? | 10:02 |
| Termana | Stskeeps, err... that probably indicts that the theory is correct. I'll look closer tonight :) | 10:02 |
| Stskeeps | LiraNuna: what does work: wifi, touchscreen, framebuffer, external mmc, bluetooth breaks for weird reasons.. | 10:02 |
| Termana | the steal wife function is also implemented | 10:03 |
| LiraNuna | so, no battery management / GPS? | 10:03 |
| Stskeeps | didn't say that | 10:03 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 10:03 |
| LiraNuna | is Nokia supporting N810 or pretty much abandoned it | 10:03 |
| LiraNuna | as in, will the GPS work (with/out help from Nokia) ? | 10:03 |
| Stskeeps | i have a function to make some of those things happen, so.. | 10:03 |
| Stskeeps | or rather, role | 10:04 |
| LiraNuna | could you rephrase that? | 10:04 |
| Stskeeps | practical case: i can patch those things to make them work and possibly ask to have them hosted legally | 10:04 |
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| Termana | He means he has the top secret key card to get access to the vault in Nokia that holds the code for them :P | 10:04 |
| LiraNuna | sneaky | 10:04 |
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| LiraNuna | would be nice to revive my N810WE | 10:05 |
| LiraNuna | I'm guessing WiMAX won't be supported at all, right | 10:05 |
| Stskeeps | we have a project ongoing with meego on n8x0, so | 10:05 |
| Stskeeps | i wouldn't say it's impossible, i just don't have the hardware or know anything about it | 10:05 |
| Stskeeps | http://forum.meego.com/showpost.php?p=4382&postcount=27 | 10:06 |
| LiraNuna | and N900 is getting .35 as well, correct? | 10:06 |
| Stskeeps | right | 10:07 |
| Stskeeps | not is getting, have | 10:07 |
| LiraNuna | :O | 10:07 |
| LiraNuna | what close components remained closed? | 10:07 |
| Stskeeps | on N900? | 10:07 |
| LiraNuna | yeah | 10:07 |
| Stskeeps | BME, SGX drivers, bluetooth and wifi firmware | 10:07 |
| LiraNuna | phone stack / GPS got opened? | 10:07 |
| Stskeeps | GPS we haven't touched yet but the idea is phone stack is opened. there's a large bunch of kernel patches out there, speech path libraries, pulseaudio modules.. | 10:08 |
| LiraNuna | that sounds promising | 10:08 |
| LiraNuna | (though I'm sure you have different opinions) | 10:09 |
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| Stskeeps | it does sound promising | 10:09 |
| Stskeeps | GPS, chances are it might be a closed plugin for whatever framework exists, but i don't know yet. | 10:09 |
| LiraNuna | I thought GPS is a part of the phone stack | 10:09 |
| Stskeeps | sortof | 10:09 |
| Stskeeps | but when i say phone stack, i mean the stuff that communicates with modem for call purposes | 10:09 |
| Stskeeps | or data | 10:09 |
| LiraNuna | ah | 10:09 |
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| Stskeeps | i don't know anything about gps, but i think audio calls have priority atm :P | 10:10 |
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| LiraNuna | hehe, ofc | 10:11 |
| LiraNuna | sorry, I'm just very happy to hear something got opened | 10:11 |
| LiraNuna | Stskeeps, keep up the great work | 10:12 |
| Stskeeps | http://meego.gitorious.org/meego-cellular for instance | 10:12 |
| LiraNuna | Stskeeps, you are getting paid by Nokia, right? | 10:12 |
| Stskeeps | technically i'm a maemo.org guy, but cash flow starts somewhere at nokia | 10:13 |
| LiraNuna | I'm so glad N900 / N810 aren't left in the dark | 10:14 |
| LiraNuna | .. at least for now | 10:14 |
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| Stskeeps | i think if we get cpu frequency scaling working, the handset ux isnt half bad on there | 10:14 |
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| LiraNuna | BME is battery management? | 10:15 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, the elephant in the room | 10:15 |
| LiraNuna | I wonder why it's closed | 10:15 |
| * LiraNuna excited | 10:16 | |
| Stskeeps | on n8x0 cos you can do serious bad shit, on n900, legacy - there's people who are working on open chargng | 10:16 |
| Stskeeps | (in community) | 10:16 |
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| jophish | Stskeeps, is the battery kept from over or undervolting by maemo, or a chip in the battery? | 10:21 |
| Stskeeps | jophish: dunno, ask DocScrutinizer | 10:21 |
| ZogG | hey babes | 10:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | uh? | 10:22 |
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| ZogG | DocScrutinizer, i can ask you if you want | 10:22 |
| jophish | DocScrutinizer, is the battery kept from over or undervolting by maemo, or a chip in the battery? | 10:22 |
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| ZogG | what is ttf-khmeros? | 10:22 |
| ZogG | and libillumination0? | 10:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer | jophish: basically by a dedicated hw charger chip called bq24150 | 10:23 |
| ZogG | i have problems with them | 10:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer | jophish: for shutdown on low voltage this chip isn't responsible though. It's the twl4030 multipurpose companion chip of SoC that should cause a shutdown on low voltage | 10:24 |
| jophish | ok | 10:25 |
| jophish | thanks | 10:25 |
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| LiraNuna | wow, that chip has a datasheet | 10:28 |
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| DocScrutinizer | LiraNuna: which one? | 10:33 |
| LiraNuna | <DocScrutinizer> jophish: basically by a dedicated hw charger chip called bq24150 | 10:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | LiraNuna: each chip has a datasheet :-P | 10:33 |
| LiraNuna | it has software properties somewhat too | 10:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | LiraNuna: sure it has, that's how I managed to make VBUS boostmode and charging happen | 10:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | sw properties? | 10:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | LiraNuna: are you talking about the I2C interface to set the register values? | 10:35 |
| LiraNuna | yeah | 10:35 |
| * LiraNuna thought it was "closed source" | 10:35 | |
| DocScrutinizer | LiraNuna: yep, the chip can be "programmed" to match the particular situation (fast charge, PC host, boostmode), and it requires tickling a hw watchdog timer so you can't write harmful values there by accident from a runaway process | 10:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | however the chip is basically autonomous and doesn't really need software support to do it's job | 10:38 |
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| jacekowski | jophish: battery is keept from undervoltage by bme + gaia + dsme + bq27200 | 10:42 |
| jophish | and this chip is on the board | 10:42 |
| jophish | not on the battery? | 10:42 |
| jacekowski | yep | 10:43 |
| * elguin coughts loudly | 10:43 | |
| elguin | android | 10:43 |
| * elguin ends cough | 10:43 | |
| Stskeeps | meh, off topic | 10:43 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 10:43 |
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| elguin | Android owns your puny littler operating system | 10:44 |
| elguin | feeble intel BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA | 10:44 |
| elguin | I WILL EAT YOU AND SHIT OUT YOUR REMAINS FOR THE BIRDS! | 10:44 |
| kerio | is there any way to tell HAM to stop using my damn data for his stupid updates? | 10:44 |
| kerio | *i* will tell him when it's appropriate | 10:44 |
| Stskeeps | elguin: done now? :P | 10:44 |
| elguin | fee fi fo fum | 10:44 |
| jacekowski | well, somebody at work here bought HTC desire | 10:45 |
| elguin | i smell the blood of a englishmun | 10:45 |
| jacekowski | and battery in it is soooo much worse than n900 | 10:45 |
| jacekowski | my n900 can make it trough day with everything enabled | 10:45 |
| jacekowski | his htc couldn't | 10:45 |
| kerio | i'm serious | 10:45 |
| kerio | it eats more than 10% of my daily data | 10:46 |
| jacekowski | cron? | 10:46 |
| jacekowski | it's probably done in cron | 10:46 |
| MiXu- | I typically get two days of usage without charging | 10:46 |
| hrw | I charge nightly | 10:46 |
| kerio | is there a apt-gtfo command? | 10:46 |
| MiXu- | Me too, but if I forget to charge once, it's not a problem. | 10:46 |
| ZogG | do apt-get/maemo has something like revdep-rebuild on gentoo? | 10:46 |
| jacekowski | kerio: are you really on limited dataplan? | 10:46 |
| ZogG | does* have* | 10:46 |
| jacekowski | ZogG: no | 10:47 |
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| jacekowski | ZogG: it's not designed for it | 10:47 |
| kerio | jacekowski: yup :/ | 10:47 |
| kerio | 50mb/day | 10:47 |
| jacekowski | kerio: oOooo? | 10:47 |
| MiXu- | How much do you pay for that? | 10:47 |
| ZogG | how do i check if i have broken libs or missing libs? | 10:47 |
| MiXu- | Must be practically free | 10:47 |
| kerio | not really | 10:47 |
| kerio | 9€ | 10:47 |
| jacekowski | i was on unlimited o2 iphone plan | 10:47 |
| MiXu- | :o | 10:47 |
| jacekowski | now i'm on t-mobile | 10:47 |
| ZogG | i have 5gb/month =) | 10:47 |
| kerio | data plans in italy suck | 10:47 |
| jacekowski | with unlimited data | 10:47 |
| MiXu- | I get unlimited full rate with 9e/month | 10:47 |
| jacekowski | well, t-mobile has a plan for £10 | 10:48 |
| MiXu- | 9,90 to be precise | 10:48 |
| jacekowski | with data and calls | 10:48 |
| jacekowski | unlimited data | 10:48 |
| elguin | its probably a jackel | 10:48 |
| jacekowski | and my sister is using it to watch youtube 24/7 | 10:48 |
| ZogG | jacekowski ? | 10:48 |
| elguin | gotta be a jackel | 10:48 |
| elguin | its a jackel | 10:48 |
| elguin | jackel! | 10:48 |
| kerio | there's one that's 5€ for 3gb/month, but i'd need to move to prepaid from my awesome contract | 10:48 |
| jacekowski | ZogG: ? | 10:48 |
| ZogG | <ZogG> how do i check if i have broken libs or missing libs? | 10:49 |
| jacekowski | ZogG: you don't | 10:49 |
| jacekowski | ZogG: apt does it automaticaly | 10:49 |
| jacekowski | ZogG: while package is built all dependencies are stored in .deb file | 10:49 |
| ZogG | does it | 10:49 |
| elguin | how is cell service so cheap there | 10:50 |
| jacekowski | ZogG: so unless you delete libs by hand using rm | 10:50 |
| kerio | it does | 10:50 |
| elguin | you have to pay 100 bux here to get unlimited | 10:50 |
| ZogG | jacekowski, sometimes you install new stuff that can break other stuff you had | 10:50 |
| jacekowski | ZogG: it will never need anything like revdep rebuild | 10:50 |
| jacekowski | ZogG: not with apt | 10:50 |
| ZogG | jacekowski i had some libs i added manually | 10:50 |
| jacekowski | then that's wrong | 10:50 |
| jacekowski | you were supposed to build .deb file | 10:50 |
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| ZogG | i removed them, i want to be sure i haven't removed anything important | 10:50 |
| kerio | heh | 10:51 |
| elguin | ssssssssssshhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhiiiiiiiit mannnnnnnnnnnn | 10:51 |
| MiXu- | elguin: In US? Europe is way ahead of North America when it comes to cellular coverage etc. | 10:51 |
| jacekowski | ZogG: how you added it? | 10:51 |
| elguin | yeah well u dont have 4g | 10:51 |
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| elguin | :) | 10:51 |
| kerio | did you install them on /usr/local/ ? | 10:51 |
| elguin | BHAAHAHAHAAAGA | 10:51 |
| MiXu- | elguin: I said coverage | 10:51 |
| ZogG | jacekowski, just copied them - so i had not symlink files errors - i deleted them (not all of them i think) | 10:51 |
| kerio | elguin: hahahahahahahahahahahhahaha | 10:51 |
| jacekowski | ZogG: where have you copied them from? | 10:51 |
| ZogG | jacekowski, it was AT mobility | 10:52 |
| MiXu- | elguin: I was in Chicago and there were spots where I'd get no service with T-Mobile. | 10:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | kerio: see wiki customizing maemo, there's a a passage about configuring sw-updater poll freq | 10:52 |
| elguin | because tmobile in the usa | 10:52 |
| ZogG | someone needed to try somwe app on maemo he wrote and the libs were missing | 10:52 |
| elguin | is shit | 10:52 |
| elguin | ok? | 10:52 |
| jacekowski | ZogG: well, you are not supposed to do it like that | 10:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | elguin: are you *only* trolling? | 10:52 |
| elguin | on tier of coverage its flat out the worse | 10:52 |
| jacekowski | ZogG: you should have build package | 10:52 |
| MiXu- | elguin: Well that says something about the coverage quality in the country in general. | 10:52 |
| jacekowski | ZogG: but if any normal package would require this libs it would install it from normal package | 10:53 |
| ZogG | jacekowski, i know - i jus didn't care that moment, thoug now i do =))) | 10:53 |
| elguin | other services have fine coverage its the price | 10:53 |
| kerio | ZogG: did you install them in /usr/local/ ? | 10:53 |
| elguin | DocScrutinizer your a big boy i think you should be able to make that determination yourself | 10:53 |
| ZogG | kerio, /usr/lib | 10:53 |
| MiXu- | In Finland you can use pretty much any operator and you get decent quality coverage _anywhere_ | 10:53 |
| kerio | ZogG: you... fail | 10:53 |
| elguin | Well it's the same in the usa | 10:53 |
| ZogG | also what does mean when i get blabla lib is truncated | 10:53 |
| ZogG | kerio, thank you, i love you too | 10:53 |
| elguin | Tmobile isn't just pretty much any operator its like 6th in ranking | 10:53 |
| jacekowski | ZogG: part of it is missing | 10:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | elguin: I'm the big bad boy who'll kick your ass if ever I start to feel annoyed by your spamming | 10:54 |
| kerio | ZogG: /usr/ is dpkg's reign | 10:54 |
| elguin | When was I spamming? | 10:54 |
| ZogG | i think i fixed it | 10:54 |
| kerio | don't mess with dpkg | 10:54 |
| ZogG | kerioi know hat's why i had errors, now i don't =)) | 10:54 |
| jacekowski | or dpkg will mess with you | 10:54 |
| kerio | or he'll murder you in your sleep | 10:54 |
| ZogG | fixed it i think | 10:54 |
| ZogG | now i updated everything and everything is smooth like a dragonfly | 10:55 |
| ZogG | (i just like the word dragonfly) | 10:55 |
| kerio | manually-installed things should go in /usr/local/ | 10:55 |
| kerio | just fyi | 10:55 |
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| ZogG | kerio, thanks, next time i just will use /tempo/libs and symlink from there anything i need | 10:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | elguin: around the time when [2010-07-15 09:44:45] <Stskeeps> elguin: done now? :P | 10:56 |
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| kerio | either dpkg-buildpackage or install things in /usr/local/ | 10:56 |
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| kerio | the first one also helps with the deps | 10:56 |
| elguin | man I got some nasty farts | 10:57 |
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| kerio | ~kick elguin | 10:57 |
| * infobot kicks elguin | 10:57 | |
| ZogG | hmmm | 10:57 |
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| ZogG | finally updated ukeyboard | 10:57 |
| elguin | so many wires :O | 10:57 |
| ZogG | and now it's broken =)) | 10:58 |
| ZogG | LOL | 10:58 |
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| elguin | I want a girlfriend :/ | 11:00 |
| ebzzry | Hi! Is there a toaster-like plugin for conversations? | 11:00 |
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| kerio | toaster? | 11:00 |
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| ZogG | fixed that too | 11:01 |
| ZogG | yay | 11:01 |
| ebzzry | toaster/guifications | 11:01 |
| kerio | wtf is toaster | 11:01 |
| elguin | its a program | 11:02 |
| elguin | for mac | 11:02 |
| elguin | from roxio | 11:02 |
| elguin | for burning cds | 11:02 |
| elguin | ROOM ROOM | 11:02 |
| ZogG | elguin, you know - when you go out - you see a lot of guys and only several girls, and guys are trying to start with them. but there are more women in the world than man. so my roommate has a theory | 11:02 |
| ebzzry | Hint: pidgin-guifications | 11:02 |
| ZogG | somewhere there is a pile of hot chicks | 11:02 |
| ZogG | somewhere - you just need to find it | 11:02 |
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| elguin | ....Yeah i already know that due | 11:03 |
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| elguin | Theres a pile of hot chicks in my basement. | 11:03 |
| ZogG | but where???? | 11:03 |
| ZogG | oh, give me an adress | 11:03 |
| elguin | But there all dead thats why I need more. | 11:03 |
| ZogG | haha | 11:03 |
| ebzzry | IOW, I'm looking for a way to be notified when a buddy, for example, gose online. | 11:03 |
| ZogG | ebzzry, do you want your battery be dead? | 11:04 |
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| ZogG | ebzzry, i think there is a plugin for pidgin anyway - find it and optifty it and port it =) | 11:04 |
| ebzzry | No. I only have few buddies in an account that I'll be using. And besides, I have extra batteries. | 11:05 |
| ebzzry | ZogG: IOW, there is none yet? | 11:05 |
| ZogG | ebzzry, maybe there is one | 11:05 |
| ZogG | i think there is for desctop pidgin for sure | 11:05 |
| elguin | why do kikes control the universe? | 11:05 |
| ZogG | you just need to make it work with maemo notifications | 11:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | ebzzry: for xchat I think you can define a notification for this. No idea about other IM | 11:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | elguin: please stop it now. This random noise is really disgusting | 11:07 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer: /ignore elguin | 11:07 |
| ebzzry | DocScrutinizer: OK. | 11:07 |
| ZogG | DocScrutinizer, don't play OP here ;) | 11:07 |
| ZogG | anyway i have to go.. and than i'll disappear for ~week | 11:08 |
| elguin | random who said it random? KIKES CONTROL IS COMPLETELY FOCUSED ON DESTRUCTION OF MANKIND BRO | 11:08 |
| ZogG | don't miss me | 11:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | kerio: I got spanked for /ignore as I'm supposed not to do that, I *am* OP | 11:08 |
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| kerio | oh | 11:08 |
| kerio | then... /kick elguin | 11:08 |
| kerio | even better | 11:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | kerio: that's what'll happen next | 11:08 |
| ZogG | DocScrutinizer, you are not really op, op is not the one who can kick/ban, but the one who ha responsibility and ha it inside him =) | 11:09 |
| * D-Iivil_Work bangs his head against the wall | 11:09 | |
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| chadi | can I restore angry birds scores after reflashing? | 11:11 |
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| jacekowski | yes, if you made a backup | 11:13 |
| jacekowski | you made a backup? | 11:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | shouldn't it get stored somewhere in ~/.* and not even vanish on reflashing rootfs? | 11:13 |
| jacekowski | not if you flash emmc | 11:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | meh | 11:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | the one who's flashing eMMC isn't interested in restoring *anything* :-P | 11:14 |
| chadi | even if you do the normal flashing, not the emmc, you lose the scores | 11:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer | chadi: ok, so I'd consider that a bug of AB then | 11:15 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: btw. after playing with meter | 11:15 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: i think the pin directly above TX is RX | 11:15 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: and the one next to it is common | 11:15 |
| chadi | DocScrutinizer: indeed it is | 11:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | sounds like best practice :-D | 11:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer | chadi: try restore, maybe the AB-devels managed to register their highscore lists with backup tool | 11:16 |
| chadi | anyway, who cares about the scores, i'm just gonan reflash | 11:16 |
| chadi | yes but backup what? settings? | 11:17 |
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| * DocScrutinizer shrugs | 11:17 | |
| DocScrutinizer | no idea | 11:17 |
| chadi | I mean, under what category of backup could the scores be? | 11:17 |
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| chadi | it's ok, i don't need them anymore :D | 11:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | maybe they use gconf to store them | 11:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | or, even worse, store them to /usr/share/ap* | 11:18 |
| chadi | yeah, could be | 11:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | chadi: with a little luck a lsof while AB is started will reveal a few interesting things | 11:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | or strace AB ;-D | 11:21 |
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| chadi | i want to play it all over again :P | 11:25 |
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| ab | DocScrutinizer, no need to strace me | 11:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-D | 11:31 |
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| chadi | oh, we have an angry bird here? | 11:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG51: good find with killall call-ui, such a retarded piece of sw :-P | 11:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG51: it's not only to reread the ini file, it also would overwrite the changes on next invocation of orientation-settings->save | 11:47 |
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| chadi | battery graph or battery eye? | 12:00 |
| SwedeMike | batterygraph | 12:00 |
| chadi | okay | 12:01 |
| ham5 | really? I use battery eye | 12:05 |
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| MohammadAG51 | DocScrutinizer, it overwrites the whole file? *facepalm* | 12:12 |
| PhonicUK | Teh interwebs are being ripped at the seams! | 12:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG51: yep | 12:13 |
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| MohammadAG51 | wow | 12:15 |
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| D-Iivil_Work | Why is tmo giving server not found -error? | 12:26 |
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| alterego | D-Iivil_Work: it's been working for me this morning ,.. | 12:35 |
| D-Iivil_Work | alterego, yeah, and now it's back again. | 12:36 |
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| D-Iivil_Work | alterego, was down for few minutes. | 12:36 |
| alterego | Usually when I see those errors it's my internet connection. I have to disconnect/reconnect my phone. | 12:36 |
| alterego | Oh, right. | 12:36 |
| PhonicUK | has anyone tried using xfce in easy-debian? | 12:38 |
| PhonicUK | instead of lxde | 12:38 |
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| DocScrutinizer | konttori: moinmoin. Found your notice with the details about your idea? :-) | 13:01 |
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| jacekowski | http://www.flylogic.net/blog/?p=23 | 13:02 |
| jacekowski | that's one of most sexy things i saw lately | 13:02 |
| konttori | ah, the idea was to quickly create a web server that serves tracker data through rest api and with json resultsets (or atom) to allow easy usage of the data in qml (what I want) or in flash/wrt. | 13:03 |
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| konttori | what makes that very nice is that I can then also access the data directly from my pc, and debug / dev there nicely, while still accessing real data on the device. | 13:04 |
| konttori | idea would nicely extend to also contacts, messaging and so forth. | 13:04 |
| konttori | DocScrutinizer: how does that sound? | 13:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | still wrapping my head around it | 13:04 |
| konttori | I think development time would be about 4-8 hours for the tracker images+videos+music metadata and 2-4 hours for any added data types (like messaging or calendar) | 13:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'm a noob to those web-related things | 13:05 |
| ShadowJK | http://enivax.net/jk/kswapd.png <- kswapd write access to swap partition, graph created on second day. Each write to swap is logged to a file, this graph plots the 4k sector written to on the y-axis. | 13:07 |
| ShadowJK | No wonder people say the device slows down at the 2-4 day mark ;) | 13:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: OMFG! | 13:08 |
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| jacekowski | i never cross 2 days mark | 13:09 |
| X-Fade | ShadowJK: That warrants a nice blog post :) | 13:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | I never use swap :-P | 13:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | X-Fade: you bet it does | 13:10 |
| jacekowski | i would tweak swappiness | 13:10 |
| ShadowJK | I don't have a blog | 13:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: won't change things basically | 13:10 |
| ShadowJK | This is more about the access pattern to swap, not the amount of swapping | 13:10 |
| pigeon | default swappiness? | 13:12 |
| jacekowski | default is quite high | 13:12 |
| nidO | very* | 13:13 |
| pigeon | default on the n900 is 100 | 13:13 |
| X-Fade | 100 :) | 13:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: you should add names to the axes, plus a very brief explanation about flash blocksize and the implications | 13:13 |
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| ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer, another day, now I must run off to work | 13:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: :-D | 13:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: brilliant work | 13:13 |
| toggles_w | can someone explain, i don't see what is so bad, it's random access memory, so speed to the blocks doesn't matter, it would be the search algo to find free blocks | 13:14 |
| Smeghead | how do i get a "more" button or be able to create custom folders where the programs are located? | 13:14 |
| ShadowJK | That's the thing, it's only random access (if you don't count command overhead) for reads. | 13:14 |
| ShadowJK | For writes, it's not random access at all | 13:15 |
| toggles_w | why not? | 13:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | toggles_w: so I'll take over for ShadowJK - writing to a dirty block on eMMC means you have to deal with 256k of blocksize reading modifying, erase/rewrite | 13:15 |
| toggles_w | 'flash' right? can't you write anywhere or is there a penalty? | 13:15 |
| Smeghead | anyone? | 13:16 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Smeghead: apmefo application, from extras-devel | 13:16 |
| Smeghead | thanks | 13:16 |
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| alterego | Impressive: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DcGTNyq9b0s | 13:18 |
| ShadowJK | toggles_w, native erase block size is 256k or something. If you write 4k, then go write somewhere else, the emmc does a 256k reas-erase-modify-write cycle. So, for each 4k random write, the emmc ends up writing 256k.Divide 256/4 to figure out how big a slowdown that is | 13:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | toggles_w: basically the MMC controller chip has a buffer of 256k (say), and writing ordered you'll nicely modify that buffer nad write back once when linear writing crosses buffer boundaries. for random writes you have to write back buffer on (or previous to) *every* random write of 1 byte to another block | 13:19 |
| * DocScrutinizer highfives ShadowJK :-D | 13:20 | |
| jacekowski | two things | 13:20 |
| jacekowski | writes are not instant | 13:20 |
| jacekowski | even when stuff goes to swap | 13:20 |
| jacekowski | kernel still holds it in memory | 13:20 |
| jacekowski | and buffers are flushed in background | 13:21 |
| X-Fade | Swapping also generates a lot of cpu overhead. | 13:21 |
| X-Fade | That is in part what people notice. | 13:21 |
| ShadowJK | well not eactly, but it looks like cpu overhead because stuff stalls ;-) | 13:21 |
| jacekowski | by well, couple things have to be tweaked then | 13:22 |
| ShadowJK | (and that cpu monitor widget shows WA as cpu use) | 13:23 |
| jacekowski | i can't do it myself because i never got to more than 3 days uptime | 13:23 |
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| jacekowski | dirty_background_ratio - that has to go to some high value | 13:23 |
| jacekowski | dirty_ratio - 99 | 13:23 |
| jacekowski | dirty_writeback_centisecs, dirty_expire_centisecs - some high value | 13:24 |
| jacekowski | and vfs_cache_pressure could be changed to something lower | 13:24 |
| ShadowJK | That doesn't apply to swap | 13:24 |
| jacekowski | it does | 13:25 |
| jacekowski | i mean vfs doesn't | 13:25 |
| jacekowski | but it's still I/O related | 13:25 |
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| ShadowJK | page-cluser applies to swap | 13:25 |
| jacekowski | i'm not sure if swapping doesn't force flush anyways | 13:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | would swapoff/swapon help? | 13:27 |
| jacekowski | yep | 13:27 |
| jacekowski | if you have enough mem for it | 13:27 |
| jacekowski | but hmm, creating temporary swap in file | 13:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | use two swaps | 13:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | or a swapfile, yes | 13:27 |
| visz | http://www.mobilecrunch.com/2010/07/14/droid-x-actually-self-destructs-if-you-try-to-mod-it/ | 13:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | start a (1) batch script, via cron (err alarmd / alarmed) | 13:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | ooops we got no batch executable | 13:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-( | 13:30 |
| jacekowski | shell script | 13:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: man batch | 13:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | batch executes commands when system load levels permit; in other words, when the load average drops below 0.8, or the value specified in the invocation of atrun. | 13:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer | like "at midnight start to wait for low system load, then execute the shellscript that actually does the swapoff/on magic" | 13:34 |
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| jacekowski | besides, 256M of ram? | 13:35 |
| jacekowski | and you need swap | 13:35 |
| jacekowski | i was running star office with 64M of ram and 100M of swap | 13:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | at_midnight=cron|alarm(e)d; start_to_wait=batch; script=shellscript | 13:36 |
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| RZ | Open ttd doesn't work on my N900. Any suggestions why? It is updated. | 13:42 |
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| DocScrutinizer | swap fragmentation, what a joke | 13:45 |
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| chadi | any application that does offline geotagging? like some app that listens on 127.0.0.1 and has all the coordinates with their corresponding locations saved? to be used instead of the default supl.nokia.com - because I don't have internet connection all the time | 13:50 |
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| FIQ | hm | 13:51 |
| FIQ | batterygraph isn't accurate | 13:51 |
| FIQ | it did go from 45% to 0% in a few minutes | 13:52 |
| RST38h | uffff | 13:52 |
| MohammadAG51 | backports ftw | 13:53 |
| jacekowski | FIQ: it's as accurate as measurments delivered by phone | 13:55 |
| FIQ | jacekowski, i though so | 13:56 |
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| lindi- | ShadowJK: did you modify linux for http://enivax.net/jk/kswapd.png or is there some existing logging feature you used? block dump perhaps? /proc/sys/vm/block_dump? | 14:02 |
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| D-Iivil_Work | Could someone help me with unix shell command? I'd like to remove all but "hildon" directories recursively in my ubuntu machine under certain folder. | 14:03 |
| RST38h | So, what is new and exciting in maemoland? Anyone important jumping ship? =) | 14:04 |
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| D-Iivil_Work | Aaah... never mind. Realized I can do it easily from Windows :P | 14:04 |
| D-Iivil_Work | Win 7 search ftw! | 14:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: ...as mesurements delivered by hal | 14:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | s/mes/mess | 14:05 |
| nidO | what did win7 search allow you to do that ubuntu wouldnt? | 14:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | lindi-: [2010-07-15 12:13:40] <ShadowJK> DocScrutinizer, another day, now I must run off to work | 14:06 |
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| D-Iivil_Work | nid0, allowed me to remove all but "hildon" named directories using UI which were located under several other subdirectories. | 14:07 |
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| D-Iivil_Work | nidO, I know it could have been done with Ubuntu also, but didn't know how to. | 14:07 |
| D-Iivil_Work | nidO, so it saved me from googling. | 14:07 |
| nidO | win7 searches can find all dirs in a folder with an exception for certain names? | 14:08 |
| D-Iivil_Work | nidO, I can go in the "main folder", type * as search item, then sort the result by type & name and select all folders I want to remove simply painting them and hitting del -button. | 14:08 |
| nidO | oh. thought you knew a way to apply arbitrary filters to the actual search process | 14:09 |
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| D-Iivil_Work | nidO, seems like you can actually do that also :D | 14:10 |
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| D-Iivil_Work | nidO, just put the search like "mysearchword -excludethis" | 14:10 |
| D-Iivil_Work | nidO, thanks for the tip :P | 14:11 |
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| toggles_w | ShadowJK DocScrutinizer: thanks, makes sense now | 14:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | (swap fragmentation) I suggest to get a second swap partition on eMMC, of similar size, so you can do "swapon swap2; swapoff swap1" in noon, and "swapon swap1; swapoff swap2" at midnight | 14:15 |
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| Termana | DocScrutinizer, cron | 14:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | sure, what else | 14:16 |
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| DocScrutinizer | alarmd maybe, as we got no cron :-P | 14:16 |
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| * Termana shakes fist in Nokia's general direction | 14:17 | |
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| DocScrutinizer | lol | 14:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | Termana: you ever stopped doing that | 14:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | ? | 14:17 |
| Termana | DocScrutinizer, shaking my fists in their direction? Hell no, everyday I learn of something they didn't do right. | 14:18 |
| nidO | isnt there a cron implementation for maemo kicking around somewhere? | 14:18 |
| Termana | This is terrible - they LEFT OUT CRON! :P | 14:18 |
| arachnist | nidO: cron is a normal linux | 14:18 |
| arachnist | blah | 14:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Termana: for a good reason, as cron isn't designed to run on zeroclock | 14:19 |
| arachnist | nidO: maemo is a pretty-much normal linux | 14:19 |
| arachnist | nidO: unlike android, normal cron implementations should work | 14:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | Termana: but instead of augmenting/fixing crond, the invented alarmd | 14:19 |
| nidO | arachnist they need modifying | 14:19 |
| nidO | as DocScrutinizer is currently explaining :) | 14:19 |
| nidO | but im reasonably sure I saw something about working cron for the n900 a while back | 14:20 |
| arachnist | well, there's a difference between working and working in a power-efficent manner | 14:20 |
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| DocScrutinizer | there's fcron or sth like that | 14:20 |
| arachnist | hm | 14:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | but honestly I suggest alarmed, and maybe agment it a bit to deal with normal standard crontabs as well | 14:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer | then you could just create a symlink from crond to alarmed :-D | 14:22 |
| Termana | DocScrutinizer, I respectful ask you to stop giving me logical reasons and let me continue my fist shaking :P | 14:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | more like cron to alarmed | 14:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Termana: ok | 14:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Termana: though [2010-07-15 13:19:38] <DocScrutinizer> Termana: but instead of augmenting/fixing crond, the invented alarmd --- that should give you enoughlogical reason to continue nevertheless | 14:25 |
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| Termana | DocScrutinizer, They aren't afraid of words. You need to really shake your fist at them before they do what you want them to. | 14:33 |
| Termana | :P | 14:33 |
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| Termana | DocScrutinizer, if you shake REALLY hard, you might get BME opened! :P | 14:34 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Termana: so be careful then, as opening BME is probably the last thing we'd like to see. Better keep the pandora's box tightly closed :-P | 14:36 |
| jacekowski | btw. with alarm on a phone | 14:37 |
| jacekowski | does it work when phone is switched off? | 14:37 |
| Termana | :D | 14:37 |
| jacekowski | like it used to work on old nokia phones? | 14:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | RTC? | 14:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes, works. Alarmed even does that ootb | 14:37 |
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| toggles_w | jacekowski: yes, and when it goes off it asks if you'd like to switch the phone on | 14:38 |
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| kerio | fuckin' alarms | 14:38 |
| kerio | how do they work | 14:38 |
| SpComb | how to best add an /etc/osso-backup/applications file to a debian package? | 14:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | kerio: is that a serious question? | 14:38 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer: nah | 14:39 |
| kerio | wait, no | 14:39 |
| kerio | it's actually a serious question | 14:39 |
| kerio | where is the time to wake up stored? | 14:39 |
| jacekowski | CAL | 14:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | ok, so you deserve serious answer :-) | 14:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | the time is stored in RTC function block in GAIA | 14:39 |
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| jacekowski | nah, everything evil is stored in cal | 14:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | RTC funblock then causes a power_up event when alarm time expires | 14:40 |
| jacekowski | and alarms are evil because they wake you up | 14:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | which is raher simple as GAIA also is the master PMU of system | 14:40 |
| kerio | how do multiple alarms work? | 14:41 |
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| kerio | only the next one is stored and it's updated every time the phone wakes? | 14:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | RTC does have only one alarm | 14:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep | 14:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | I think alarmd is responsible to manage that | 14:42 |
| kerio | is he also responsible from chewing off 8mb of data each day from my mobile connection? | 14:42 |
| jacekowski | btw. what is a diferemce between alarmd and cron? | 14:42 |
| kerio | in the implementation? probably | 14:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | keep a list of scheduled alarms and set RTC to closest one of that list | 14:43 |
| kerio | but i guess you could exchange them with no particular difficulty | 14:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: it's two unrelated (mostly) pieces of sw | 14:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: alarmd knows about RTC, while cron doesn't | 14:44 |
| D-Iivil_Work | X-Fade, ping | 14:45 |
| kerio | they serve the same purpose though | 14:46 |
| kerio | running stuff at defined time intervals | 14:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep | 14:46 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, so alarmd can do stuff when the device is off? | 14:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep | 14:46 |
| MohammadAG | gives me rm -rf'y ideas | 14:47 |
| Termana | :P | 14:47 |
| kerio | wait, so if i set a recurring event at 00.05, the phone would turn on if it was turned off? | 14:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep | 14:47 |
| kerio | cool | 14:48 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, while true; do echo yep; done | 14:48 |
| flux | would it again turn off once the task is complete? | 14:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep | 14:48 |
| kerio | you shouldn't keep it off anyway | 14:48 |
| kerio | it's a UNIX system! | 14:48 |
| flux | does it really boot up all the way as usual? | 14:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer | flux: no | 14:48 |
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| flux | I guess it cannot wake up the phone, atleast, because it doesn't know the pin code | 14:48 |
| kerio | uptime! :( | 14:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer | flux: that's correct | 14:49 |
| kerio | i wanna see it wake up... without battery! | 14:49 |
| kerio | bwahahaha | 14:49 |
| flux | kerio, think it as preconfigured LOM | 14:49 |
| kerio | lom? | 14:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | flux: though that depends on your PIN settings in err settings | 14:49 |
| flux | kerio, lights-out management | 14:50 |
| kerio | i see | 14:50 |
| flux | although, to be fair, even PCs know how to wake up at a certain preconfigured time | 14:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | flux: alarmd has no notion about what "the task" might be, so powering down is user's duty anyway | 14:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer | or "the taks"s duty, to be precise | 14:52 |
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| DocScrutinizer | any such task should chack for bootup reason and time since boot, to make sure the device wasn't on for other reasons when the alarm expired. So the task only will power down the device if it's actually been powered up previously by the task's associated RTC alarm | 14:54 |
| MohammadAG | lol http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/15/breaking-chicken-came-before-the-egg/ | 14:54 |
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| DocScrutinizer | if the task takes quite some time to complete, then it also had to check for user interaction indicating user might be busy with other things and doesn't expect a sudden power_down | 14:55 |
| D-Iivil_Work | MohammadAG, so now it's solved! | 14:55 |
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| DocScrutinizer | or rise a requester giving user a way to abort the power_down sequence | 14:56 |
| MohammadAG51 | D-Iivil_Work, sadly | 14:56 |
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| D-Iivil_Work | MohammadAG, no reason to live anymore? | 14:56 |
| MohammadAG51 | goodbye, cruel world | 14:56 |
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| D-Iivil_Work | This must be a record... photoshop has now 559 images open at the same time and it hasn't crashed yet. | 14:57 |
| kerio | on n900? | 14:57 |
| kerio | :o | 14:57 |
| Macer | i never noticed an iphone 3GS uses an omap that is speced just like the n900 | 14:57 |
| D-Iivil_Work | kerio, Photoshop on N900? I WISH! | 14:57 |
| Macer | wonder if someone managed to get the iphone os onto the n900 :) | 14:58 |
| PhonicUK | alo all | 14:58 |
| MohammadAG51 | gimp ftw | 14:59 |
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| D-Iivil_Work | MohammadAG, if only Gimp could use all the plugins I have on Photoshop... | 15:00 |
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| MohammadAG51 | D-Iivil_Work, if only photoshop wasn't non-free | 15:01 |
| D-Iivil_Work | MohammadAG, :P | 15:01 |
| MohammadAG51 | they could've done it like xchat | 15:01 |
| D-Iivil_Work | MohammadAG, how is that done? | 15:02 |
| MohammadAG51 | paid on windows, free on linux | 15:02 |
| D-Iivil_Work | MohammadAG, they first should have a linux port of it... | 15:02 |
| D-Iivil_Work | MohammadAG, and it's pretty huge application so porting would not be a walk in the park :P | 15:02 |
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| D-Iivil_Work | But they do have a mac port. Hmm. | 15:03 |
| X-Fade | D-Iivil_Work: pong | 15:03 |
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| D-Iivil_Work | X-Fade, remember when I wondered why ain't my package changes are shown @ maemo.org/packages -page? | 15:04 |
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| X-Fade | D-Iivil_Work: Yes. | 15:04 |
| D-Iivil_Work | X-Fade, I noticed if I leave out the icon-field from control -file it's showing up. | 15:05 |
| D-Iivil_Work | X-Fade, just wanted to let you know if you want to look what's wrong with the importer at some point. | 15:05 |
| X-Fade | D-Iivil_Work: Which package and versions can I compare? | 15:05 |
| Macer | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=50714&page=2 | 15:06 |
| Macer | lol | 15:06 |
| D-Iivil_Work | You can compare these: http://maemo.org/packages/view/black-plastic-theme/ & http://maemo.org/packages/view/matrix-pr12/ | 15:06 |
| Macer | talk.maemo.org is entertaining | 15:07 |
| Macer | it's like comedy hour :) | 15:07 |
| Macer | too bad the arguing kind of lost the relevant question.. can iphone os be run on an n900 | 15:07 |
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| Macer | i think 1 post explained "no" with no verification as to why and the rest was two people bitching about the relationship between os x and the iphone os | 15:07 |
| X-Fade | D-Iivil_Work: You mean the changelog problem, right? | 15:07 |
| D-Iivil_Work | X-Fade, yes. | 15:08 |
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| chadi | are you guy able to upload pics taken with the 5MP cam settings to facebook? | 15:08 |
| X-Fade | D-Iivil_Work: Ok, well there is something going on with the icons at least. So I'll see if that has anything remotely to do with changelog parsing somehow. | 15:08 |
| D-Iivil_Work | X-Fade, no problem. Just wanted to give a hint about what might_be_causing the importer to fail. | 15:09 |
| asj_ | Macer: simple humor for simple minds? | 15:09 |
| chadi | I get a transfer error. Can you guys try? | 15:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | chadi: what's facebook?? ;-P | 15:09 |
| Macer | asj_: yes :) | 15:09 |
| Macer | it's like watching rambo | 15:09 |
| Macer | you can talk all through rambo and still understand what is going on | 15:09 |
| Macer | man with big guns mad | 15:09 |
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| chadi | DocScrutinizer: ask google ;-P | 15:10 |
| chadi | no really now, can anybody confirm? | 15:10 |
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| * DocScrutinizer vaguely remembers an app called facebrick | 15:10 | |
| kerio | Macer: it can probably be adapted | 15:11 |
| kerio | but *why* | 15:11 |
| MohammadAG | chadi, even with the newest version? | 15:11 |
| chadi | yes, MohammadAG | 15:11 |
| MohammadAG | the one that was recently released | 15:11 |
| chadi | updated it yesterday | 15:12 |
| chadi | same problem | 15:12 |
| Macer | kerio: i was just curious | 15:12 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: i've spoken to guy with x-ray and i'm probably going to get phone xrayed sometime next week | 15:12 |
| Macer | but reading that thread. i am no long curious :) | 15:12 |
| kerio | i don't see why not | 15:12 |
| Macer | no longer | 15:12 |
| kerio | you'd get a really small screen though | 15:12 |
| kerio | or a screen that's too big | 15:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: what do you hope to do with that? | 15:13 |
| Macer | kerio: the hardware was similar so i was just wondering if someone had tried it | 15:13 |
| chadi | MohammadAG: there's already a bug report about this - https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6274#c24 | 15:13 |
| povbot` | Bug 6274: Sharing pictures on Facebook gives "Transfer error" | 15:13 |
| chadi | I thought I could ask here before posting on talk.maemo.org | 15:15 |
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| lcuk | DocScrutinizer, w00t_ is dealing with facebrick | 15:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | lcuk: maybe. I not even got slightest idea what that app is doing. Couldn't care less about face* | 15:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | except facepalm maybe | 15:19 |
| chadi | I'm not a facebook addict, but this bug annoys me | 15:20 |
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| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: get rough idea about pcb layout | 15:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: won't help | 15:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's a multilayer | 15:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | and dealing with multilayer is even hard in layout-CAD programs, when different layers are colored and semi transparent. | 15:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: you had a look at those x-ray shots the mad dentist published on tmo? | 15:25 |
| jacekowski | well, with different angles i should get idea of where pads are connected | 15:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | nope | 15:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | distance between layers is too microscopic | 15:26 |
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| DocScrutinizer | and after figuring out the third via you are ready for a long holiday in a soft cell | 15:27 |
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| Macer | facepalm haha | 15:28 |
| PhonicUK | has anyone here tried NITDroid on their N900? | 15:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, maybe for tracing down one *highly* important trace from one pin to another it _might_ work | 15:28 |
| Macer | PhonicUK: i haven't tried it but from what i've heard it isn't really worth it now | 15:28 |
| Macer | they are running into things not working issues | 15:29 |
| Macer | like hw accel video etc :) | 15:29 |
| PhonicUK | i know, but i figured if im going to dual boot then it can't hurt to have a look | 15:29 |
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| Macer | PhonicUK: well if you like it you should reverse engineer the video chipset and create a driver and leak it to the world ;) | 15:29 |
| PhonicUK | :P | 15:30 |
| PhonicUK | whats stopping them using the driver in the nokia image? | 15:30 |
| PhonicUK | aside from legal issues | 15:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: honestly I think the only things you can reasonably check with x-ray shots are solder shorts and alignment issues on bga chips, and chip burnouts though even those need much expertise from chip manuf to actually tell what's on | 15:31 |
| Macer | PhonicUK: not sure really. last i checked they were on their way to the supreme court to rule what the word "open" meant | 15:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: I've seen several x-rays of OM Freerunner. I still feel the headache | 15:33 |
| Stskeeps | PhonicUK: technically nothing, but rootfs'es are non-redistributable then | 15:33 |
| PhonicUK | maybe it could copy the nokia version over from the flash at install time? | 15:33 |
| Jaffa | PhonicUK: It's also running a different kernel; and doesn't Android need accelerated framebuffer rather than X? | 15:34 |
| Termana | Had to reflash my n810 because of my /etc/sudoers idiocy. Quick someone say a device name | 15:34 |
| PhonicUK | Jaffa, it uses the same kernel now. | 15:34 |
| Stskeeps | Termana: lain | 15:34 |
| Jaffa | PhonicUK: I'm not sure "legal issues" are bothering the NITDroid devs now: they're looking for getting copies of the drivers from Milestone owners | 15:34 |
| Termana | Stskeeps, err ok. Its in :P | 15:34 |
| Jaffa | PhonicUK: I thought it reflashed on boot if necessary. | 15:34 |
| Jaffa | PhonicUK: So no user reflashing required, but it still uses a different kernel. | 15:35 |
| PhonicUK | ah ok | 15:35 |
| PhonicUK | the wiki is a little ambiguous | 15:35 |
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| Macer | Stskeeps: awesome show | 15:38 |
| Stskeeps | wha? | 15:38 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 15:38 |
| Stskeeps | ah, yes | 15:38 |
| Macer | serial experiment lain? | 15:38 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 15:38 |
| Macer | i thought it was good ;) | 15:39 |
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| * timeless_mbp hasn't seen that in about a decade | 15:41 | |
| konttori | is there any way for root application to make dbus queries to the user session? | 15:42 |
| Stskeeps | su? :P | 15:42 |
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| konttori | so, using another process to do it? | 15:43 |
| konttori | or, what do you mean? | 15:43 |
| Scelt | konttori: su user -c 'echo "Hello world!"' | 15:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | actually su is probably the only way | 15:44 |
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| konttori | ok, thanks guys. blah. sucks. | 15:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | though wait, it's called session-bus, not user-bus | 15:45 |
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| DocScrutinizer | so you'd need to find out what's d-bus' notion of a session | 15:45 |
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| lcuk | konttori, whats in root that you are needing to talk with userspace? | 15:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | probably linked to user anyway | 15:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | actually the orthodox way would be a user process connecting to system bus, so root can talk to all those processes that are actually prepared to listen to it | 15:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer | what you trying to do is kinda spoofing, as root isn't supposed to talk on session bus, `from outside' | 15:49 |
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| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: do you have links for these dentists photos? | 15:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: would it be harsh to tell you one of my 178 posts to tmo (exactly one) was to that thread, and I don't have any better link | 15:50 |
| jacekowski | hmmm | 15:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=47869 | 15:53 |
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| jacekowski | well, nobody made photos of naked pcb | 15:54 |
| jacekowski | but it looks like you can't see tracks anyways | 15:54 |
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| DocScrutinizer | that's the point | 15:54 |
| jacekowski | but that might be matter of energy | 15:54 |
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| DocScrutinizer | you can sometimes, but you can't tell them apart | 15:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | multilayer | 15:55 |
| jacekowski | http://www.designer2k2.at/images/bga.jpg | 15:55 |
| jacekowski | sexy | 15:55 |
| jacekowski | you can see bonding wires | 15:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: believe me you'll gain nothing wrt schematics/circuit with an x-ray | 15:57 |
| jacekowski | hmm, connecting RF transmitter to specific track | 16:00 |
| jacekowski | lower power one | 16:00 |
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| jacekowski | but that's not precise enogh | 16:00 |
| jacekowski | enough* | 16:00 |
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| kerio | is there a way to change the wallpaper based on the open/close status of the screen? | 16:07 |
| kerio | those xray wallpapers are *awesome* | 16:08 |
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| SpeedEvil | http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/14/modu-worlds-lightest-cellphone-lands-in-uk/ | 16:11 |
| SpeedEvil | ... | 16:11 |
| SpeedEvil | Hmm - that would be neat. | 16:12 |
| SpeedEvil | xray of the device closed as a background when closed, open with it open | 16:12 |
| kerio | or... is there a way to set a fixed wallpaper? | 16:12 |
| kerio | so i can scroll between the desktops without scrolling the wallpaper | 16:12 |
| MohammadAG | SpeedEvil, wasn't there someone who xray'd the device | 16:13 |
| kerio | even better: is there a way to do both? | 16:13 |
| kerio | MohammadAG: yup | 16:13 |
| kerio | there are two wallpaper-ready images | 16:13 |
| kerio | one for the open device, one for the closed device | 16:13 |
| SpeedEvil | ah | 16:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: see my last posted URL | 16:13 |
| MohammadAG | found them http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=47869 | 16:13 |
| MohammadAG | oh lol | 16:14 |
| MohammadAG | nvm | 16:14 |
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| dotblank | what happened to the dev channel? | 16:19 |
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| dotblank | oh nvm | 16:19 |
| dotblank | typ | 16:19 |
| dotblank | typo | 16:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer | typical type of typo typing fast | 16:24 |
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| kerio | is there a way to make the n900 execute a command on screen open/close | 16:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | sure | 16:26 |
| jacekowski | yes | 16:26 |
| kerio | an *easy* way? | 16:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | but what's screen open? | 16:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | do you mean kbd slide open? | 16:26 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer: keyboard accessible/covered | 16:26 |
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| kerio | yeah | 16:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | dbus scripting app | 16:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | will do what you ask for | 16:27 |
| MohammadAG | keyboard slides show in dmesg, GPIO | 16:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | I had a playsound installed for both events, was funny for a while | 16:28 |
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| DocScrutinizer | like enterprise communicator | 16:28 |
| jacekowski | is there any piece of software that does that automaticaly | 16:28 |
| jacekowski | i mean, execute command on dbus event | 16:28 |
| PhonicUK | I'd love to have 2 different sexual "uh" sounds for opening and closing | 16:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | dbus scripting app | 16:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | will do what you ask for | 16:29 |
| jacekowski | name? | 16:29 |
| PhonicUK | so you'd open and close it and it would go "Uuh aah uuh aah uuh ahh..." | 16:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | dbus scripting app | 16:29 |
| jacekowski | apt-get install dbus scripting app | 16:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | bah, use HAM search, noob :-P | 16:29 |
| jacekowski | ham search doesn't work | 16:29 |
| jacekowski | well, not for me | 16:30 |
| * DocScrutinizer sighs | 16:30 | |
| jacekowski | it's never coming up with any results | 16:30 |
| kerio | jacekowski: use fapman | 16:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | yessir, a minute sir, please sir | 16:30 |
| kerio | if only for the name | 16:30 |
| jacekowski | fap fap fap | 16:31 |
| jacekowski | let me try ham search | 16:31 |
| jacekowski | maybe it will work | 16:31 |
| dotblank | DocScrutinizer, thats an awesome idea for pplaying sounds | 16:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | dbus-script-settings | 16:32 |
| dotblank | DocScrutinizer, do you still have that script? | 16:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | dbus-scripts-settings | 16:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | dbus-scripts | 16:32 |
| dotblank | lol ok | 16:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | dotblank: nah, was dirt simple oneliner | 16:32 |
| dotblank | really.. in python? or bash? | 16:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | bash | 16:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer | you link in to /etc/dbus-scripts iirc | 16:33 |
| MohammadAG | LOL @ PhonicUK | 16:33 |
| PhonicUK | xD | 16:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | dbus-scripts-settings: add_system_event -> kbd_slide; cmd: playsound mywav.wav | 16:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | dotblank: ^^^ | 16:35 |
| kerio | is it just me or you can't answer "y" to apt-get? | 16:35 |
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| MohammadAG | it's just you | 16:36 |
| MohammadAG | use apt-get -y --force-yes if it's stubborn | 16:36 |
| MohammadAG | non-english keyboard? | 16:36 |
| FauxFaux | yes | cpan, the only way to play. | 16:36 |
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| kerio | MohammadAG: yeah | 16:36 |
| kerio | but y is still y | 16:36 |
| kerio | :/ | 16:36 |
| dotblank | DocScrutinizer, where is playsound relative to? | 16:36 |
| kerio | yeah, i'm using -y for now | 16:36 |
| kerio | but it's lame | 16:37 |
| dotblank | or does it copy / not matter | 16:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | err what? | 16:37 |
| dotblank | like the location of mywav.wav | 16:37 |
| dotblank | is it in ~/ | 16:37 |
| kerio | it does matter | 16:37 |
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| kerio | run a pwd > /tmp/lolpath | 16:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | playsound is a cmd, the path_to_file.wav has to be valid for the current program context | 16:38 |
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| kerio | and look at lolpath to see where the command is ran | 16:38 |
| dotblank | well I just be absoulte then | 16:38 |
| MohammadAG | doesn't playsound ignore volume levels? | 16:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | an absolute FQN is always valid | 16:38 |
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| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: yes it does | 16:38 |
| MohammadAG | isn't that painful with headsets on? | 16:39 |
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| dotblank | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ziQvBBZnlZo | 16:42 |
| dotblank | lol | 16:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | play-sound /usr/share/sounds/ui-charging_started.wav | 16:42 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ~/.osso $ cat /etc/dbus-scripts.d/dbus-scripts-settings | 16:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | # This file was generated by dbus-scripts-settings | 16:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | # If you edit it by hand you might confuse the program, | 16:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | # and you might lose your changes next time the program runs. | 16:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | #:soundonslide | 16:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | play-sound /usr/share/sounds/ui-charging_started.wav * * org.freedesktop.Hal.Device Condition ButtonPressed cover | 16:45 |
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| TMM | hi all! I finally got my N900 and boy is it awesome :D | 16:46 |
| kerio | TMM: it is | 16:46 |
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| kerio | but don't worry | 16:46 |
| TMM | does anyone happen to know how I can set a default browser? And ideally entirely get rid of the build in one? | 16:46 |
| kerio | the excitement will drop soon, if you hang around here a little | 16:47 |
| kerio | :) | 16:47 |
| kerio | the builtin one is awesome! | 16:47 |
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| kerio | you can choose the default browser by installing... hmm... some package | 16:47 |
| TMM | no, fennec is awesome, the build in one is 'adequate' | 16:47 |
| dotblank | love the builtin one.. but the second best imo is opera mobile | 16:47 |
| kerio | search for "browser" in the package manager | 16:47 |
| kerio | fennec is slow imho | 16:47 |
| kerio | you'll find a switcher | 16:47 |
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| TMM | that's what I thought, but then I found out that the built in browser starts 'browserd' on the first run, and it continuously eats loads of CPU power making fennec slow. After finally getting rid of browserd, fennec is awesome | 16:48 |
| TMM | so now I really want browserd gone permanently :P | 16:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer | won't fly | 16:49 |
| * timeless_mbp grumbles | 16:49 | |
| timeless_mbp | it's raining | 16:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | browserd is used for quite a number of tasks | 16:49 |
| timeless_mbp | did anyone fix the switcher to stop breaking the browser? :) | 16:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer | timeless_mbp: hey! :-) somebody here wants get rid of your browser :-P | 16:49 |
| timeless_mbp | they're welcome to cut off their torso | 16:50 |
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| TMM | docscrutinizer: it appears that if I haven't used browserd for the browser, it won't start eating ungodly amounts of CPU | 16:50 |
| timeless_mbp | but i'm not interested in seeing the guts or hearing about the pain | 16:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | lol | 16:50 |
| kerio | haha | 16:50 |
| kerio | timeless_mbp: well, microb *has* some wtf moments | 16:50 |
| kerio | i still prefer it to fennec though <3 | 16:51 |
| timeless_mbp | every browser does | 16:51 |
| timeless_mbp | but for maemo5, the browser is used by conversations | 16:51 |
| timeless_mbp | among other things | 16:51 |
| timeless_mbp | so if you really don't want messaging working | 16:51 |
| timeless_mbp | then yeah, you can go off and kill browserd | 16:51 |
| TMM | I really like the fennec interface, and that I can run adblock and noscript | 16:51 |
| timeless_mbp | but then… why'd you buy an n900? | 16:51 |
| kerio | you can run them in microB too | 16:51 |
| kerio | :) | 16:51 |
| timeless_mbp | TMM: iirc adblock works w/ microb | 16:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | friggin dbis-scripts doesn't work :-/ | 16:51 |
| timeless_mbp | not sure about noscript, although i'd hope so | 16:51 |
| TMM | yeah, but noscript doesn't | 16:51 |
| timeless_mbp | someone should port it :( | 16:52 |
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| * timeless_mbp actually sent an n800 to the noscript dev | 16:52 | |
| DocScrutinizer | seem to remember I had to configure it manually last time I did that (last year or whatever) | 16:52 |
| TMM | I can't find that browser switch thing in app manager when searching for 'browser' | 16:52 |
| timeless_mbp | but he was busy doing something like getting married/ | 16:52 |
| kerio | the noscript developer is an asshole | 16:52 |
| MohammadAG | I want a script which opens flvs and mp4s in the mediaplayer | 16:53 |
| MohammadAG | cba with flash | 16:53 |
| MohammadAG | hmm, plugin, not script | 16:54 |
| TMM | I like the built in messenger and email client though. I setup an xmpp gateway on my server that connects to all my other networks, and now I can use all my im accounts from my phone and computer at the same time. It's really quite awesome | 16:54 |
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| drizztbsd | hi | 16:55 |
| drizztbsd | where is stored the bluetooth id (mac address) in N900? | 16:55 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer: there's no way to add an event on dbus-scripts-settings just for slide open or slide close | 16:55 |
| TMM | I really like how it all integrates with the address book | 16:55 |
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| Treibholz | drizztbsd: it's in the hardware! | 16:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | kerio: it is, when you look at the config file I pastespammed above there are 2 * which are wildcards for additional parameters of the dbus msg. you *could* change that to open or close iirc | 16:56 |
| drizztbsd | no, it's in an eeprom or nvram | 16:57 |
| drizztbsd | but I don't know where :) | 16:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, on dbus-scripts-settings there's evidentally not | 16:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | kerio: does it otherwise work for you? | 16:57 |
| Treibholz | drizztbsd: so you are not looking for hciconfig, right? | 16:57 |
| Andy80 | hi guys, do you know if any workaround exist for this Qt (Maemo) bug: http://bugreports.qt.nokia.com/browse/QTBUG-12194 ? | 16:57 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer: don't know | 16:57 |
| kerio | i'm also looking for the command to change the wallpaper | 16:58 |
| drizztbsd | no, since the bluetooth module is already loaded with that mac address | 16:58 |
| kerio | and if there's a way to check the keyboard slide status i can do it all with a single update_wallpaper_based_on_kbd_slide.sh | 16:58 |
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| timeless_mbp | Andy80: don't use a QPushButton? :) | 16:59 |
| timeless_mbp | what you have there isn't a Button | 16:59 |
| Andy80 | timeless_mbp: what do I have to use instead of QPushButton? | 16:59 |
| TMM | ah, I found something 'browser switchboard' | 17:00 |
| timeless_mbp | what are you using for the things on the right? | 17:00 |
| Andy80 | ehm... | 17:00 |
| timeless_mbp | (unrelated question) | 17:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | dbus-scripts-settings is incredibly retarded | 17:00 |
| Andy80 | probably in this case,neither a screenshot was enough :D | 17:00 |
| timeless_mbp | I'd just use some sort of Panel or Box thing | 17:00 |
| TMM | and it works! yay | 17:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | kerio: there's a switch state in sysfs to read state of slider from | 17:01 |
| timeless_mbp | whatever Qt's equivalent of a "thing i can paint on and get events for" | 17:01 |
| Andy80 | timeless_mbp: very related one.... it's obvious that I'm using the same.... it's just the same application compiled for Desktop target and for Maemo target | 17:01 |
| timeless_mbp | Andy80: sorry | 17:01 |
| Andy80 | timeless_mbp: uhm.... | 17:01 |
| timeless_mbp | maybe my definition of right was ambiguous | 17:01 |
| Andy80 | ok, sorry :) | 17:02 |
| timeless_mbp | i meant what were you using for the heart and other buttons | 17:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | s/retarded/braindead and unusable crap/ | 17:02 |
| timeless_mbp | not for the picture, for the second set of buttons w/in the picture :) | 17:02 |
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| Andy80 | timeless_mbp: they're all QPushButton | 17:02 |
| timeless_mbp | ok | 17:02 |
| timeless_mbp | but anyway | 17:02 |
| timeless_mbp | maemo style clearly doesn't want *large* buttons | 17:03 |
| timeless_mbp | merely fingerable buttons | 17:03 |
| mortini_ | that's what she said? | 17:03 |
| timeless_mbp | more or less | 17:03 |
| Andy80 | timeless_mbp: what's wrong with large buttons? | 17:03 |
| timeless_mbp | they clearly violate style | 17:03 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer: hmm... do you know where it is, or some documentation about it? | 17:03 |
| timeless_mbp | … are inconsistent with platform Look and Feel/ user expectations | 17:04 |
| Andy80 | timeless_mbp: well... good excuse to don't fix a bug like this eh :) | 17:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | kerio: where's what? | 17:04 |
| kerio | the sysfs entry for the keyboard slide status | 17:04 |
| Andy80 | timeless_mbp: I'm just using exactly the same layout of Vagalume :\ | 17:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | duh | 17:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | kerio: /sys/class/mmc_host/mmc0/cover_switch maybe | 17:05 |
| timeless_mbp | Andy80: well, if you ignore those two buttons, which look awful | 17:05 |
| timeless_mbp | http://www.linuxine.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/vagalume-lastfm.jpg | 17:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | nah, not mmc | 17:06 |
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| timeless_mbp | the app would fit nicely in Maemo | 17:06 |
| timeless_mbp | but really, those two buttons look bad | 17:06 |
| timeless_mbp | even normally, ignoring maemo | 17:06 |
| timeless_mbp | it's hard for me to explain why | 17:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | kerio: find /sys -name *slide* | 17:06 |
| Andy80 | timeless_mbp: really... those two "awful" buttons, are easier to push (at least for me) than the other 6 smaller! I don't care if Nokia says it's not stylish, it's just less usable, that's all. | 17:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | Nokia-N900-42-11:~# cat /sys/devices/platform/gpio-switch/slide/state | 17:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | open | 17:08 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer: thanks, found it | 17:08 |
| kerio | :D | 17:08 |
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| timeless_mbp | there we go again, hiding things with logical names in the appropriate places | 17:08 |
| timeless_mbp | this is absolutely unacceptable! | 17:08 |
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| kerio | ok, last thing | 17:10 |
| kerio | how do i set the wallpaper from the cli | 17:10 |
| kerio | it's the last part of my awesome script | 17:10 |
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| timeless_mbp | Andy80: if users can't use the button size that maemo uses | 17:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~trout timeless_mbp | 17:11 |
| * infobot slaps timeless_mbp around a bit with a large trout! | 17:11 | |
| timeless_mbp | they really need to return their n900s | 17:11 |
| timeless_mbp | because they'd be amazingly unhappy w/ them | 17:11 |
| Andy80 | timeless_mbp: again... this is the worst excuse I've ever heard, belive me and I'm a bit disappointed with this position. I should be able to use whatever layout I want. If I feel better with larger buttons, I wanna use larger buttons. If I would love restriction I would buy an iPhone! | 17:13 |
| kerio | dbus-monitor shows nothing | 17:14 |
| kerio | :( | 17:14 |
| timeless_mbp | Andy80: i'm not an official representative | 17:14 |
| timeless_mbp | and if you think #<anything> is official, i've got a newsflash for you | 17:14 |
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| timeless_mbp | i can perhaps redirect the lighting that's outside my window to make the newsflash more realistic :) | 17:15 |
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| kerio | how do i changed wallpaper | 17:15 |
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| SpeedEvil | there is a dbus command | 17:15 |
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| Andy80 | timeless_mbp: ok, then I change my reply to: I don't agree with "your own" position :) | 17:15 |
| timeless_mbp | Andy80: you asked for a workaround, i gave you one | 17:16 |
| dotblank | geez #maemo is a war room today | 17:16 |
| timeless_mbp | i also gave you my opinion as someone who works w/ software (for free) | 17:16 |
| TMM | I really only have a few small gripes with my n900 so far. a) most applications don't switch to portrait mode b) no way to configure a 'sent folder' in the mail client for imap | 17:16 |
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| TMM | that's a pretty good score :P | 17:16 |
| * MohammadAG pulls a grenade's pin and throws it at dotblank | 17:16 | |
| timeless_mbp | TMM: are you using PR1.2? | 17:16 |
| kerio | SpeedEvil: dbus-monitor doesn't show anything related when i change it | 17:16 |
| dotblank | ducks under an iptable | 17:17 |
| timeless_mbp | did you try ctrl-shift-r? | 17:17 |
| TMM | timeless: I'm using the 'latest' from that tablet site from nokia | 17:17 |
| * dotblank ducks under an iptable | 17:17 | |
| timeless_mbp | ok, so, did you try ctrl-shift-r? | 17:17 |
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| timeless_mbp | n.b.: it doesn't work if you leave the keyboard out or the n900 on a flat surface | 17:17 |
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| TMM | timeless_mbp, I did, I found that on some forums too, but it doesn't work | 17:17 |
| timeless_mbp | TMM: define 'doesn't work'? | 17:17 |
| dotblank | MohammadAG, you mean you threw the grenade not the pin at me right? | 17:17 |
| TMM | timeless_mbp, owwwwwww | 17:18 |
| timeless_mbp | (it also doesn't so much if you hold the n900 in landscape...) | 17:18 |
| kerio | what is ctrl-shift-r | 17:18 |
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| SpeedEvil | Or not | 17:18 |
| SpeedEvil | kerio: gconftool-2 -s /apps/osso/hildon-desktop/views/3/bg-image -t string /home/user/yr/meteogram.png | 17:18 |
| MohammadAG | dotblank, grenade, doh | 17:18 |
| timeless_mbp | TMM: at least among nokia apps, 95% of them mostly work | 17:18 |
| timeless_mbp | w/ limited glitching | 17:18 |
| kerio | SpeedEvil: for all the desktops? | 17:18 |
| dotblank | MohammadAG, quite a fatal mistake | 17:18 |
| TMM | timeless_mbp, sweet, that works in the mail client! not for the desktop though | 17:18 |
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| SpeedEvil | yes | 17:19 |
| timeless_mbp | TMM: if you're using en-US/en-GB and notice a glitch in the mail client, i have a fix i can provide for you | 17:19 |
| SpeedEvil | that sets desktop 3 to the aforementioned png | 17:19 |
| TMM | timeless_mbp, if you have a patch that allows me to set a 'sent mail' folder? ;) | 17:19 |
| kerio | oh, i see | 17:19 |
| timeless_mbp | TMM: hrm | 17:19 |
| timeless_mbp | modest is open source | 17:19 |
| timeless_mbp | you could write one | 17:19 |
| * timeless_mbp has written patches for modest | 17:20 | |
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| DocScrutinizer | kerio: success with your dbus-scripts ? | 17:20 |
| TMM | timeless_mbp, ah I'll get on that then | 17:20 |
| kerio | hmm, the update is a bit slow | 17:20 |
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| kerio | i was looking for something more immediate | 17:20 |
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| MohammadAG | dotblank, you'll be missed | 17:20 |
| kerio | it's enough that i can't have an *actual* xray... | 17:21 |
| kerio | :( | 17:21 |
| kerio | i want my hand to appear under it! | 17:21 |
| timeless_mbp | TMM: seriously, i'll gladly help | 17:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | kerio: I remember I had to wrap "play-sound somesound.wav" into a shellscript as probably the parameters got the config file in /etc/dbus-scripts/ messed up | 17:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer | kerio: but you are using a script anyway aiui | 17:22 |
| TMM | timeless_mbp, I don't have a dev environment for maemo yet, I'll first set that up. | 17:22 |
| TMM | timeless_mbp, I've only had the phone since the day before yesterday | 17:22 |
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| kerio | DocScrutinizer: hmm | 17:24 |
| kerio | it works manually | 17:25 |
| kerio | (but it's a bit slow :( ) | 17:25 |
| kerio | it's not correctly ran by dbus-scripts apparently | 17:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | my playswoosh works | 17:27 |
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| kerio | do i need to reboot for dbus-scripts to work? | 17:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | line from /etc/dbus-scripts.d/dbus-scripts-settings: /etc/dbus-scripts.d/playswoosh * * org.freedesktop.Hal.Device Condition ButtonPressed cover | 17:28 |
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| DocScrutinizer | /etc/dbus-scripts.d/playswoosh is a oneliner script containing /usr/bin/play-sound jdhjkd.wav | 17:29 |
| kerio | does the script have to be in that directory? | 17:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | aah mompl | 17:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | Nokia-N900-42-11:/etc/dbus-scripts.d# ../init.d/dbus-scripts stop Nokia-N900-42-11:/etc/dbus-scripts.d# ../init.d/dbus-scripts start | 17:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | dunno if needed | 17:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | kerio: nope for sure not, just give full path to the script in the config file | 17:30 |
| kerio | doesn't work :( | 17:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | kerio: tbh I was too lazy to place it somewhere more sane | 17:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | kerio: you chmod a+x the script? | 17:31 |
| kerio | yeah | 17:31 |
| kerio | /home/user/update_wallpaper.sh | 17:31 |
| kerio | runs fine from within a shell | 17:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | line for the dbus-scripts-settings: | 17:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | /home/user/update_wallpaper.sh * * org.freedesktop.Hal.Device Condition ButtonPressed cover | 17:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer | kerio: make sure you use full pathnames to comands in your script! | 17:33 |
| kerio | huh | 17:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer | dbus-scripts-daemon might miss "correct" $PATH settings | 17:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | so don't rely on it | 17:34 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer: it... doesn't work | 17:35 |
| kerio | :( | 17:35 |
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| DocScrutinizer | kerio: out of ideas | 17:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | you got a typo somehwere | 17:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | try anothe simple script, e,g | 17:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | #!/bin/sh | 17:36 |
| kerio | it *is* a simple script | 17:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | /usr/bin/play-sound /fulll/path/to/wav.wav | 17:37 |
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| kerio | DocScrutinizer: http://pastebin.com/6VS6ht3j | 17:37 |
| kerio | and it runs fine when i execute it | 17:37 |
| crashanddie | GAN900: ping | 17:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | kerio: no idea. insert a play-sound as first line, just to test | 17:38 |
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| crashanddie | life is gooooood | 17:38 |
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| crashanddie | I went from jobless for the past few months, to having 3 companies playing the numbers game to get me :P One of them are sending me to Paris for a couple of nights in a nice little hotel to meet one of their directors :D | 17:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | #!/bin/sh | 17:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | /usr/bin/play-sound /usr/share/sounds/ui-charging_started.wav | 17:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | kerio: c&p the /usr/... line right after your shebang | 17:39 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer: the script is not run | 17:40 |
| kerio | :( | 17:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | please pastebin the dbus-scripts-settings | 17:40 |
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| SpeedEvil | crashanddie: Congrats! | 17:41 |
| crashanddie | thx | 17:42 |
| crashanddie | I'm out, 'later | 17:42 |
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| kerio | DocScrutinizer: http://pastebin.com/SR6W2ude | 17:43 |
| * DocScrutinizer grumbles | 17:43 | |
| DocScrutinizer | numbers game... pah | 17:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | </envy> | 17:43 |
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| kerio | DocScrutinizer: i don't see anything wrong in that | 17:43 |
| kerio | :| | 17:43 |
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| kerio | my script is 755 user:users | 17:44 |
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| alterego | What software is tmo running on? | 17:44 |
| alterego | phpbb? | 17:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | kerio: you stopped and started dbus-scripts in init.d? each time you did an edit? | 17:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | as rot? | 17:45 |
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| DocScrutinizer | root? | 17:45 |
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| kerio | DocScrutinizer: i... i'm dumb | 17:45 |
| * alterego *cough* upstart *cough* | 17:45 | |
| kerio | although... the script is run twice | 17:45 |
| kerio | it's no big deal, but it wastes precious cpu | 17:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | alterego: stop coughing, I don't care about upstart | 17:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer | kerio: so I gather it works now? | 17:46 |
| kerio | yup | 17:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | k | 17:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | bbl | 17:47 |
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| kerio | ok, this wallpaper sucks | 17:52 |
| kerio | :/ | 17:52 |
| SpeedEvil | too detailed? | 17:53 |
| kerio | no, just... ugly | 17:53 |
| kerio | also, slow to update | 17:53 |
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| DocScrutinizer | playswoosh is fast :-P | 17:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | but I'll curse it to hell next time I'm in cinema X-P | 17:55 |
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| DocScrutinizer | (doesn't obey profiles and vol-settings) | 17:55 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer: is it run twice for you, too? | 17:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | and I really really wonder how this wicked audiosystem is supposed to handle a usecase when I want to play a .wav same level as e.g ringtones are | 17:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | not noticed anything like that | 17:57 |
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| DocScrutinizer | but then I'd probably not notice, given the nature of this particular audio | 17:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | sound | 17:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | if it is played double with short skew, and mixed... who could tell | 17:59 |
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| kahless_z | hi all, any german n900 user with a simyo 1GB "flat" here? have some troubels reaching any sites, maybe i get a wrong dns/gw from them. need to compare settings :) | 18:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | anybody aware of a manpage or similar obsolete thing, for play-sound? | 18:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | sorry, O2 | 18:02 |
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| kahless | :( | 18:03 |
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| kahless | s/troubels/troubles | 18:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | how much's that simyo? | 18:03 |
| kahless | 9,90eur/month | 18:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | mhm | 18:03 |
| kahless | :) | 18:03 |
| kahless | but currently it doesnt work | 18:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-/ | 18:03 |
| kerio | http://yro.slashdot.org/story/10/07/15/1317205/Droid-X-Self-Destructs-If-You-Try-To-Mod <- ouch | 18:04 |
| kahless | and you can kill the plan every month | 18:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's E2? | 18:04 |
| kahless | o2? | 18:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | simyo | 18:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | o2 is E1 | 18:04 |
| kahless | just a second | 18:04 |
| kahless | dont know what you mean exactly, but simyo is a e-plus net | 18:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep, E2 then | 18:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | D1, D2, E1, E2 are the basic physical bands | 18:06 |
| kahless | ok :) | 18:06 |
| kahless | oh, i see | 18:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | so simyo is using the e-plus towers | 18:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | the whole infra to be precise | 18:07 |
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| kahless | i think so. | 18:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | just a minutes-reseller of e-plus | 18:07 |
| kahless | :) | 18:07 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I don't like E2, the converage is poor | 18:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer | at least it was last time I read about it | 18:08 |
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| kahless | its ok here (middle of NRW) | 18:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | 3G everywhere? | 18:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | HSDPA even? | 18:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | so, 3.5 | 18:09 |
| smhar | is it just me or the internet in N900 is sooo sloow. I tried wifi and gprs which both work fast enough in my notebook but not in N900, in the same location | 18:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | smhar: what do you mean by "internet" | 18:10 |
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| kahless | DocScrutinizer: status says "3g" nearly full | 18:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I get download bandwidth with 3.5 on N900, my DSL blushes | 18:10 |
| smhar | I tried bbc live video from bbc website, and youtube site | 18:10 |
| Treibholz | m( | 18:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | live video, muhahaha | 18:11 |
| Treibholz | smhar: are you serious? | 18:11 |
| X-Fade | smhar: Your problem is flash, not bandwidth. | 18:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | smhar: that's probably a 'video' codec issue much more than a internet-is-slow one. Sorry for muhahaha | 18:12 |
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| kahless | ^^ | 18:12 |
| MohammadAG | X-Fade, anything on perl-modules? | 18:12 |
| smhar | docscrutinizer oh.. ok.. but I thought N900 has the required codecs to play flash! | 18:12 |
| X-Fade | MohammadAG: No objections, so probably will come. | 18:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | it has, but not all flash is same | 18:13 |
| MohammadAG | required codecs != available CPU power smhar | 18:13 |
| X-Fade | MohammadAG: Just takes a while to go through all channels. | 18:13 |
| Treibholz | smhar: it has, but flash is slow. | 18:13 |
| Treibholz | everywhere. | 18:13 |
| MohammadAG | X-Fade, kk, ty :) | 18:13 |
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| MohammadAG | Flash crashed X on my laptop twice yesterday | 18:13 |
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| Treibholz | my workstation at home needs 90%CPU, when I watch an HD-Movie on youtube via flash and 10%, when I watch the same file with mplayer! | 18:14 |
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| smhar | mohammadAG, meaning it is not practical to play flash on N900? | 18:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | depends on the particular media | 18:15 |
| kahless | oh, btw. where can i change my pin? never found the settings | 18:15 |
| X-Fade | smhar: Flash yes, flash video only low res versions. | 18:15 |
| Treibholz | smhar: not for video. | 18:15 |
| MohammadAG | youtube's k, anything else, meh | 18:15 |
| Treibholz | flash is bad on all embedded-devices. | 18:15 |
| MohammadAG | imho a plugin for microb which directs flvs/mp4 to the media player would be better | 18:15 |
| smhar | mohammadAG, I can not play a single video from youtube | 18:16 |
| MohammadAG | I can | 18:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | Treibholz: youtube music videos usually "useable" here | 18:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | were even on diablo/N810 | 18:16 |
| MohammadAG | no stutter when in fullscreen tbh | 18:16 |
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| SpeedEvil | Youtube I note has some content that requires flash 10 | 18:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | smhar: you might want to use http://www.testmy.net | 18:18 |
| kerio | recaller doesn't let me change the recording directory | 18:19 |
| kerio | :/ | 18:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | recaler is a miracle to me | 18:19 |
| TomaszD | I need a person from the US, anyone around from there? | 18:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | just has a button to click, to switch it from red to green to red | 18:19 |
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| kerio | DocScrutinizer: i don't even do that | 18:20 |
| kerio | i use the autorec | 18:20 |
| kerio | :D | 18:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | kerio: I'd not even know how to do that | 18:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | no UI | 18:20 |
| kerio | huh | 18:21 |
| kerio | widget settings | 18:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | just a button like widget | 18:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer | aah, :o) | 18:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | sooooo obvious | 18:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer | kerio: so what does it not do? I can change Save_Folder in settings | 18:24 |
| luke-jr | w00t power back on | 18:24 |
| kerio | nah, it's just that the button doesn't reflect the changed dir right after you change it | 18:24 |
| kerio | you need to exit the menu and reenter it | 18:24 |
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| toggles_w | TomaszD: as in actual citizen or just connected | 18:25 |
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| TomaszD | nevermind, I had a US-specific question about street naming there | 18:26 |
| TomaszD | already have the answer | 18:26 |
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| dotblank | who ported the nehe opengl tutorials? | 18:30 |
| smhar | I have little programming experience with visualbasic and delphi -on windows-, and I want to start learning python in N900, and probably extend to general linux. I downloaded diveintopython ebook -pdf-. any good links to help me start my journey? | 18:30 |
| mgedmin | dive into python is a good python book | 18:31 |
| MohammadAG | umm | 18:31 |
| MohammadAG | what's the HW SGX recovery for | 18:31 |
| mgedmin | but it has nothing about GUI programming, iirc | 18:31 |
| E0x | what is teh side of the scratchbox ? | 18:32 |
| E0x | this thing dont stop of download things | 18:32 |
| E0x | i think i will runout of space :( | 18:32 |
| mgedmin | thomas thurman is writing a book about python gui programming for MeeGo: http://blogs.gnome.org/tthurman/2010/04/06/working-on-a-book/ | 18:32 |
| mgedmin | it's not out yet | 18:32 |
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| smhar | well, I do not want to wait till I get meego :-) | 18:35 |
| lcuk | mgedmin, thomas' latest post indicates hes looking for reviewers | 18:35 |
| mgedmin | yep | 18:36 |
| alterego | Anyone have 64bit binaries of Qt 4.7 for madde? | 18:36 |
| dotblank | alterego, i'm confused? | 18:37 |
| dotblank | alterego, you want 64bit binaries for sue with madde? | 18:38 |
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| alterego | Yes | 18:38 |
| dotblank | alterego, what platform? | 18:38 |
| MiXu- | Um... Why? | 18:38 |
| alterego | These are for 32bit | 18:38 |
| alterego | Because I use 64bit ubuntu | 18:38 |
| alterego | http://chaos.troll.no/~harald/MADDE/ | 18:39 |
| dotblank | are the 32bit ones not working? | 18:39 |
| alterego | Nope | 18:39 |
| alterego | And the ones for Qt 4.6 are 64bit as I downloaded Qt Creator for 64 bit Linux | 18:40 |
| dotblank | im on ubuntu 64bit 10.04 and they work | 18:40 |
| alterego | Sorry, Nokia Qt SDK .. | 18:40 |
| alterego | Do you have 32 bit binary support installed? Maybe that's the issue ... | 18:40 |
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| dotblank | It shouldn't matter unless its for the qt simulator or a possible x64 sbox target | 18:41 |
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| alterego | What? Of course it matters. | 18:41 |
| alterego | How else do you expect me to run 32 bit qmake on 64 bit Linux ... | 18:41 |
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| alterego | etc ... | 18:41 |
| dotblank | the 4.7 version is for compiling on arm or fremantlex85 right... | 18:42 |
| dotblank | you should just install on your ubuntu system qt 4.7 | 18:42 |
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| smhar | I used the N900 supplied Backup utility and copied the produced backup directory to my linux notebook. but I can not recognize which file is the contacts address book? | 18:43 |
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| alterego | -_- | 18:43 |
| alterego | Do you know what madde is? | 18:43 |
| dotblank | yes | 18:43 |
| alterego | It has nothing to do with "fremantle x86" | 18:43 |
| dotblank | I use it | 18:43 |
| dotblank | I never tried it for use with the x86.. I only use it for arm | 18:44 |
| dotblank | I see no reason to make for x86 or x64 with madde for that matter | 18:44 |
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| alterego | That's because it doesn't exist ... | 18:44 |
| alterego | It's a cross compilation environment for ARM | 18:44 |
| alterego | That is it. | 18:44 |
| kerio | the recordings made with recaller suck | 18:45 |
| kerio | ._. | 18:45 |
| alterego | The 4.7 binaries for Linux are 32 bit, I can't run them on 64 bit Linux .. | 18:45 |
| smhar | or do I need to copy that manually? | 18:45 |
| dotblank | right.... | 18:45 |
| dotblank | umm | 18:45 |
| dotblank | if its crosscompilied the 4.7 that comes with made are for armel | 18:45 |
| dotblank | madde* | 18:45 |
| alterego | You say you have them working, I was asking if you have 32 bit compatibility installed. | 18:45 |
| alterego | Oh fffs | 18:45 |
| alterego | You're not listening are you | 18:45 |
| alterego | Do you know what qmake is? | 18:46 |
| alterego | Do you know what gcc is? | 18:46 |
| dotblank | yes | 18:46 |
| dotblank | I know what all of that is | 18:46 |
| alterego | In madde, they're build for linux/windows/darwin they cross compile your source to run on arm | 18:47 |
| alterego | But the binaries are compiled for your host development machine. | 18:47 |
| alterego | How else do you expect to build software for the N900 _on_ your machine. | 18:47 |
| alterego | Do you understand the issue now? | 18:47 |
| dotblank | right basically... | 18:47 |
| alterego | Good, | 18:48 |
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| dotblank | can't you just use the build of madde that was used for 64 bit linux with qt4.6 and link the armel targets and use the libqt4.7 sbox? | 18:48 |
| alterego | No | 18:49 |
| alterego | And why do you keep talking about sbox? | 18:49 |
| MiXu- | Unless he needs 4.7 properties | 18:49 |
| alterego | This has nothing to do with scratchbox ... | 18:49 |
| alterego | I don't even have scratchbox installed ... | 18:49 |
| dotblank | you do within madde | 18:49 |
| alterego | Heh ... | 18:49 |
| MiXu- | madde has nothing to do with scratchbox | 18:49 |
| luke-jr | alterego: chroot? | 18:49 |
| kerio | oh, it's not recaller | 18:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | dotblank: you got the slider sound working? | 18:49 |
| kerio | it's Multimedia that sucks balls | 18:50 |
| kerio | whew | 18:50 |
| luke-jr | alterego: what makes you assume his desktop is anything other than ARM | 18:50 |
| kerio | mplayer or cvlc? | 18:50 |
| dotblank | * wt creater has an sbox environment | 18:50 |
| dotblank | * qt | 18:50 |
| dotblank | DocScrutinizer, with groove? | 18:50 |
| alterego | dotblank: madde and scratchbox are completely different things. | 18:50 |
| alterego | dotblank: no, Qt creator uses madde, madde has nothing to do with scratchbox. | 18:50 |
| MohammadAG | lockdaemon allows sounds with keyboard slides | 18:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | dotblank: groove? | 18:50 |
| MohammadAG | but it needs libqt4-maemo5-* so someone has to recompile it | 18:51 |
| dotblank | DocScrutinizer, oh yes.. yes I did | 18:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: uhum, lockdaemon. what's that? | 18:51 |
| MohammadAG | a daemon which vibrates the device if the screen is locked/unlocked and if the keyboard is open/closed | 18:52 |
| MohammadAG | also allows sounds for keyboard slides | 18:52 |
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| MohammadAG | hopbeat's the dev | 18:52 |
| dotblank | anyway... | 18:52 |
| kerio | what do you guys use for playing media? | 18:52 |
| dotblank | you can try compiling madde yourself http://meego.gitorious.org/meego-developer-tools/madde | 18:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm, sounds like a config for dbus-scripts daemon | 18:52 |
| alterego | The media player :) | 18:52 |
| alterego | dotblank: I was thinking about it. | 18:53 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, nope, it's a daemon on its own | 18:53 |
| alterego | But I was just wondering if anyone else in the same boat as me has it working. | 18:53 |
| dotblank | but you also need 64bit qt4.7 libs | 18:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | overkill? | 18:53 |
| dotblank | soo where to find that... | 18:53 |
| alterego | You say you have it working, and that you use 64 bit ubuntu 10.04 like I do, I was only asking if you had ia32-libs installed ... | 18:53 |
| dotblank | yes I do have ia32-libs | 18:54 |
| alterego | dotblank: no, I don't. | 18:54 |
| alterego | dotblank: I'd refrain from trying to describe madde when it's kind of obvious you don't know much about how it works :P | 18:54 |
| dotblank | ok now im very confused.. | 18:54 |
| dotblank | does maddde use qt for internal function? | 18:55 |
| dotblank | madde* | 18:55 |
| dotblank | liek do you have to link libqt to compile it/ | 18:55 |
| alterego | dotblank: madde just compiles your programs against ARM versions of qt | 18:55 |
| alterego | qmake and all the tools required for building are compiled for ia32 or amd64 | 18:55 |
| dotblank | alterego, ok right so the qt libs distributed with madde are armel bins | 18:55 |
| alterego | Yes | 18:55 |
| alterego | So, qmake and gcc are compiled for your host machine, but configured to build ARMEL binaries against ARMEL libraries installed in the build environment. | 18:56 |
| alterego | Anyhow, I've gotta go | 18:56 |
| alterego | ia32 support is installed on my machine and it isn't working ... | 18:56 |
| alterego | bbl | 18:56 |
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| dotblank | I'm wondering if you could just take the 64 b it madde binaries and replace the distributed qt armel qt libs with the 4.7 ones | 18:57 |
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| alterego | dotblank: no, qmake is built with information specific to the version of Qt it's built with | 18:58 |
| alterego | ia32 support is installed on my machine and it isn't working ... | 18:59 |
| dotblank | alright | 18:59 |
| dotblank | so it has a 64bit qmake based on qt 4.7 | 18:59 |
| alterego | If ubuntu hadn't fucked up KVM I'd be using a nice 32 bit virtual machine to do all my development in >:( | 18:59 |
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| dotblank | if your host machine had a native install of libqt 4.7 couldn't you use your native qmake? | 19:00 |
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| dotblank | but use the mkspecs with the armel qt4.7 | 19:00 |
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| alterego | Maybe, but I don't want to pollute my desktop ... | 19:15 |
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| MohammadAG | if xorg.conf is generated automatically, how do I see what was generated? | 19:26 |
| alterego | You could create it yourself :P | 19:26 |
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| E0x | MohammadAG: /var/log/Xorg.0.log | 19:27 |
| E0x | not exactly how xorg.conf is | 19:27 |
| E0x | but give you the idea of what option are setup | 19:27 |
| MohammadAG | ty :) | 19:28 |
| E0x | or X -configure , i think that generate the same xorg.conf that is generate when X start | 19:28 |
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| madhav | hi, tried to run a simple helloworld executable in scratchbox arm ..it says cannot find file or directory ..can any one help | 19:30 |
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| madhav | i guess the qemu-arm-sb is not set properly | 19:30 |
| madhav | ping all | 19:30 |
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| madhav | looks ppl are not active.. | 19:34 |
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| madhav | ping: derf: | 19:36 |
| derf | madhav: Pong. | 19:36 |
| madhav | ah great! | 19:37 |
| madhav | hi, tried to run a simple helloworld executable in scratchbox arm ..it says cannot find file or directory ..can any one help | 19:37 |
| madhav | got any idea..? | 19:37 |
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| madhav | i guess its some issue with cpu transparency..qemu-arm-sb | 19:38 |
| madhav | derf: ;) | 19:38 |
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| jacekowski | try running ldd your-executable | 19:40 |
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| luke-jr | srsly, #xorg is the most useless channel on FreeNode | 19:41 |
| madhav | did..it says cannot load | 19:41 |
| madhav | if i try with qemu-arm-sb a.out..it runs fine | 19:42 |
| alterego | luke-jr: you've never been to ##gtfo :P | 19:42 |
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| madhav | jacejowski: i guess its a conf problem | 19:43 |
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| madhav | is there any scratchbox setup expert? | 19:45 |
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| SpeedEvil | http://yro.slashdot.org/story/10/07/15/1317205/Droid-X-Self-Destructs-If-You-Try-To-Mod - the shape of things to come? | 19:47 |
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| mgedmin | madhav, what does 'file a.out' say (or however you named your executable if not a.out) | 19:47 |
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| madhav | it says ELF 32 ARM... | 19:48 |
| mgedmin | how did you create your scratchbox? | 19:48 |
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| madhav | as i already told ..when i run qemu-arm-sb a.out it runs | 19:48 |
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| madhav | using the instructions..http://repository.maemo.org/stable/diablo/INSTALL.txt | 19:49 |
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| madhav | mgeadmin: ive selected armel target using sb-menu | 19:50 |
| mgedmin | what distro? | 19:51 |
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| madhav | linux | 19:51 |
| madhav | ubuntu 10.04 | 19:51 |
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| mgedmin | diablo is for n8x0, right? | 19:53 |
| madhav | mgeadmin: yes | 19:54 |
| madhav | mgeadmin: my build distro is ubuntu | 19:54 |
| madhav | mgeadmin: im trying to cross compile chrome.. | 19:55 |
| mgedmin | saw that | 19:55 |
| mgedmin | I've last used scratchbox with 9.10, I think | 19:55 |
| mgedmin | it's on my external hdd | 19:55 |
| madhav | mgeadmin: there is a exe..genmacro..in chrome | 19:55 |
| madhav | mgeadmin: it needs to run on armel target to go ahead..so i tried to run a simple hw exe to see it uses qemu to load it | 19:56 |
| madhav | mgeadmin: to my attempt it didnt run...it rather runs by explicity calling /usr/bin/qemu-arm-sb a.out | 19:57 |
| jacekowski | hmm | 19:58 |
| madhav | jacekowski: uve knew a soln.. ;) | 19:58 |
| jacekowski | cat /proc/sys/fs/binfmt_misc/sbox-armeb | 19:58 |
| mgedmin | madhav, also, what does grep SBOX_CPUTRANSPARENCY_METHOD /scratchbox/users/*/targets/*.confg say? | 19:58 |
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| jacekowski | hmm | 19:59 |
| jacekowski | not eb | 19:59 |
| jacekowski | just arm | 20:00 |
| jacekowski | cat /proc/sys/fs/binfmt_misc/sbox-arm | 20:00 |
| jacekowski | eb is for oposite endianess | 20:00 |
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| madhav | jacekowski: what is that cat for? | 20:00 |
| trip0 | for meowing | 20:01 |
| Rabidus | meoww | 20:01 |
| jacekowski | then do dog /proc/sys/fs/binfmt_misc/sbox-arm | 20:01 |
| jacekowski | but that's not going to work | 20:02 |
| jacekowski | do it with a cat | 20:02 |
| trip0 | no, then the cat will run away | 20:02 |
| Rabidus | man dog | 20:02 |
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| madhav | jacekowski: mgeadmin: im not @build system..so cannot try.. | 20:04 |
| madhav | so trying to figure out..will let u know tomm..thanks for support | 20:04 |
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| MohammadAG | how do I execute commands when a GPIO event occurs | 20:05 |
| alterego | Anyone managed to sync contacts with ovi? | 20:05 |
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| MohammadAG | alterego, yeah | 20:06 |
| MohammadAG | but you'll need a ... | 20:06 |
| alterego | How? PC suite? | 20:06 |
| jacekowski | MohammadAG: DocScrutinizer already said that | 20:06 |
| MohammadAG | no, another Nokia device | 20:06 |
| jacekowski | MohammadAG: dbusscriptsomething | 20:06 |
| MohammadAG | jacekowski, not on maemo | 20:06 |
| alterego | Urgh. | 20:06 |
| alterego | So,export, import, sync? | 20:06 |
| madhav | jacekowski: do u want me to set that value for sbox_armeb | 20:06 |
| madhav | to '1' | 20:07 |
| MohammadAG | sync with symbian device, sync symbian device with Ovi | 20:07 |
| alterego | Yeah | 20:07 |
| alterego | Okay, | 20:07 |
| * mgedmin doesn't understand _why_ people try to debug complicated systems when they don't have access to those systems | 20:07 | |
| jacekowski | madhav: | 20:07 |
| madhav | yeah | 20:07 |
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| madhav | jacekowski: if i run this way it works../scratchbox/devkits/qemu/bin/qemu-arm-sb a.out | 20:10 |
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| madhav | so its something related to sbox disabled and qemu enabled.. | 20:11 |
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| MohammadAG | is dsme closed source? | 20:12 |
| alterego | w t f : "http://www.youmobile.org/blogs/entry/Nokia-N900-to-get-an-Update-to-Maemo6-later-in-2010-" | 20:12 |
| alterego | That person shouldn't even own a blog :S | 20:12 |
| madhav | mgeadmin: i have no access to irc @ my build system..thats the reason.. | 20:12 |
| Stskeeps | alterego: wtf | 20:13 |
| jacekowski | MohammadAG: kind of | 20:13 |
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| jacekowski | MohammadAG: they published a source | 20:13 |
| jacekowski | MohammadAG: but never updated it | 20:13 |
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| jacekowski | MohammadAG: so source for version little bit older than current is avaliable | 20:14 |
| MohammadAG | meh | 20:14 |
| jacekowski | it's still pretty much the same | 20:14 |
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| alterego | Stskeeps: do you agree? :P | 20:15 |
| Stskeeps | alterego: news to me | 20:16 |
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| Stskeeps | oh dear god, the idiot is on facebook | 20:17 |
| SpeedEvil | Several idiots are | 20:18 |
| Stskeeps | and just posted to nokia n900 group | 20:18 |
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| alterego | Stskeeps: that's where I got it ... | 20:18 |
| technomike | Do I just enable DLNA media sharing on my network, and the server on my computer will show up on the N900 media player? | 20:19 |
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| * luke-jr ponders loading a 1U rack up with OMAP3s and renting them as dedicated servers | 20:19 | |
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| MohammadAG | technomike, yeah | 20:19 |
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| SpeedEvil | I have a box with 1000 processors. | 20:20 |
| SpeedEvil | Though they are 80c31, and not soldered to anything. | 20:20 |
| lcuk | crashanddie, :) | 20:21 |
| Venemo | technomike: yeah, it should be so. | 20:21 |
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| technomike | Thanks ;) | 20:21 |
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| MohammadAG | argh, still don't get why the pointer doesn't work properly in ubuntu on the N900 | 20:25 |
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| MohammadAG | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=58529 Stskeeps alterego lol | 20:26 |
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| alterego | urgh | 20:28 |
| alterego | More crap | 20:28 |
| technomike | MohammadAG - How well does Ubuntu run on the N900? | 20:28 |
| jacekowski | very slowly | 20:29 |
| luke-jr | lol | 20:29 |
| jacekowski | very very very very very very very very slowly | 20:29 |
| luke-jr | Ubuntu always runs very slowly | 20:29 |
| luke-jr | it's GNOME | 20:29 |
| MohammadAG | how about trying it first jacekowski :) | 20:29 |
| MohammadAG | it's not that slow | 20:29 |
| jacekowski | well, it's slow on 1.6GHz x86 with 2G of ram | 20:29 |
| jacekowski | it's only going to be worse on 600MHz ARM with 256M of ram | 20:29 |
| luke-jr | I think the last system I tried it on was a 900 MHz PowerPC | 20:29 |
| MohammadAG | lol I'm on 1.7GHz with 1GB ram | 20:29 |
| MohammadAG | and I'm running lucid | 20:30 |
| MohammadAG | it's not slow | 20:30 |
| jacekowski | i think your definition of slow is different than mine | 20:30 |
| luke-jr | MohammadAG: you must have never tried KDE or Windows | 20:30 |
| MohammadAG | luke-jr, windows is shit, KDE is windows-y | 20:30 |
| jacekowski | slow = !instant | 20:30 |
| luke-jr | Windows is crap, yes, but not slow | 20:30 |
| luke-jr | at least, not last time I used it | 20:30 |
| luke-jr | which was Windows 2000 | 20:31 |
| MohammadAG | slow is an understatement :P | 20:31 |
| luke-jr | KDE isn't Windows-y at all | 20:31 |
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| lcuk | MohammadAG, the slow you are on about is compositing most likely ;) | 20:31 |
| MohammadAG | lcuk, I was referring to windows-slow :) | 20:31 |
| lcuk | luke-jr, run your ubuntu on normal system without wobbly windows at 4000*3000 resolution ;) | 20:31 |
| technomike | haha | 20:31 |
| MohammadAG | wobbly windows, xD | 20:31 |
| technomike | xD | 20:32 |
| crashanddie | lcuk: cool eh? | 20:32 |
| MohammadAG | it runs w/ wobbly windows here :P | 20:32 |
| luke-jr | lcuk: last time I tried predates wobbly windows | 20:32 |
| MohammadAG | (on laptop) | 20:32 |
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| luke-jr | 6.06 I think | 20:32 |
| trip0 | is building apps against libmeegotouch fixed? | 20:32 |
| lcuk | crashanddie :) you wanna see a video | 20:32 |
| crashanddie | lcuk: bring it on :) | 20:32 |
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| lcuk | <lcuk> http://liqbase.net/20100715_004.mp4 | 20:34 |
| lcuk | <crashanddie> LMAO | 20:34 |
| lcuk | <crashanddie> excellent | 20:34 |
| lcuk | <lcuk> i sussed out how to make it work | 20:34 |
| lcuk | <crashanddie> dude, show it to #maemo | 20:34 |
| lcuk | <lcuk> heh | 20:34 |
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| crashanddie | This is probably the best thing you've ever done lcuk | 20:35 |
| crashanddie | well, apart from onedotzero | 20:35 |
| crashanddie | and the fact liqbase never had tearing | 20:35 |
| * Jaffa clicks the link | 20:35 | |
| lcuk | submissions proposal deadline for this years onedotzero is tomorrow | 20:35 |
| lcuk | :) now i know i can do this bit i can write the rest of hte spec ;) | 20:36 |
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| Jaffa | lcuk: Wow! | 20:37 |
| D-Iivil | This python-qt-blaablaablaa is killing me. | 20:37 |
| lcuk | :) Jaffa | 20:38 |
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| * D-Iivil is trying to learn pyhton for n900 | 20:38 | |
| Jaffa | lcuk: How's the camera got enough light to detect anything? | 20:38 |
| Jaffa | lcuk: Or is it something cleverer than that? | 20:38 |
| lcuk | Jaffa, leds/bright spots | 20:38 |
| lcuk | i tried with ar markers for ages but i couldnt get it reliable | 20:38 |
| GAN900 | crashanddie, sucker. | 20:38 |
| crashanddie | GAN900: why | 20:39 |
| Jaffa | lcuk: Cool | 20:39 |
| GAN900 | crashanddie, cause I can't make fun of you for being a jobless schmuck anymore. | 20:39 |
| crashanddie | GAN900: well, I'm still jobless | 20:39 |
| crashanddie | haven't signed a contract yet | 20:39 |
| GAN900 | Good | 20:40 |
| GAN900 | crashanddie, more seriously, congratulations on the opportunities. :) | 20:40 |
| konttori | lcuk: cool stuff (your video) | 20:40 |
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| lcuk | konttori, indeed ive wanted that for a while | 20:41 |
| * lcuk knew it could work but i just didnt know how to do it | 20:41 | |
| technomike | I upgraded my price plan yesterday and now I get 2000 minutes, unlimited texts, unlimited data, and unlimited 3 to 3 calls !! £25 a month! amazing :D | 20:41 |
| konttori | nifty. using camera for line crossing detection or what? | 20:41 |
| trip0 | fix me! https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10882 | 20:41 |
| povbot` | Bug 10882: libmeegotouch-dev has missing dependencies | 20:41 |
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| trip0 | vote for it! | 20:42 |
| D-Iivil | I'm this I__I close throwing the damn machine out of the window! I mean, how difficult can it be; I have a nice GUI done with few drop down lists @ QT-designer, I have a shell script made already and all I need is a one fucking button @ UI to launch that script with certain options based on user's choices on the GUI. | 20:43 |
| D-Iivil | But no. Don't know what to google anymore. | 20:43 |
| * D-Iivil thinks now is the right time to open a beer | 20:44 | |
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| lcuk | konttori, uses the camera and identifies a set of brightspots - its essentially doing multitouch calculations to recognise things http://liqbase.net/liq.20100713_231803.liqcam_run1.scr.png | 20:45 |
| lcuk | it appears to give me position size and rotation :) | 20:45 |
| konttori | nice ;) | 20:46 |
| lcuk | best thing :) it *should* technically work the same on the n810 | 20:46 |
| lcuk | cos thats where i first thought about it | 20:46 |
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| Flam | cool vid lcuk | 20:47 |
| lcuk | ok, its on youtube now http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjSrwpbxyAM | 20:48 |
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| Venemo | lcuk: it looks cool, but what re the practical uses of such a solution? | 20:49 |
| crashanddie | Venemo: just as he demonstrated | 20:50 |
| MohammadAG | Venemo, what are the practical uses of anything, open source = fun | 20:50 |
| lcuk | Venemo, i have multiple devices and want to have different pieces of the same application to be grouped together | 20:50 |
| Venemo | ah, okay | 20:50 |
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| crashanddie | Venemo: tracking a light source (such as a lamp), would give you horizontal and vertical movement | 20:50 |
| crashanddie | Venemo: multiple light sources allow for rotation and elevation | 20:50 |
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| crashanddie | Venemo: practical uses, just as lcuk showed, switching between apps, between desktops | 20:51 |
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| * lcuk is just testing boundaries :) | 20:51 | |
| crashanddie | also, who needs a compass if you have this? | 20:52 |
| luke-jr | -rw-r--r-- 1 luke-jr luke-jr 1746143 Apr 15 01:51 boot/zImage-2.6.28-20101501+0m5.fiasco | 20:52 |
| lcuk | lol | 20:52 |
| luke-jr | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 1836160 Jul 15 12:48 arch/arm/boot/zImage | 20:52 |
| luke-jr | GCC version alone? O.o | 20:52 |
| lcuk | crashanddie, compass is still needed | 20:52 |
| crashanddie | lcuk: well, for outside VR, maybe | 20:52 |
| lcuk | this beats compass though because it will allow mechines to detect relative position to each other | 20:52 |
| crashanddie | lcuk: but for inside motion tracking, this could work fairly well | 20:52 |
| crashanddie | lcuk: indeed | 20:53 |
| luke-jr | 1746143 vs 1769492 actually | 20:53 |
| crashanddie | lcuk: liqflow coupled with this | 20:53 |
| lcuk | i already have a high 5 applicaiton in ponderment ;) | 20:53 |
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| Jaffa | lcuk: crashanddie's got a point - use the time to work out where the sun is, then that's the brightest spot ;-) | 20:53 |
| luke-jr | who is responsible for liq* btw? | 20:53 |
| Jaffa | luke-jr: lcuk | 20:53 |
| luke-jr | ah | 20:53 |
| * lcuk holds hand up | 20:53 | |
| luke-jr | lcuk: you seem to be less verbal about it than you used to :P | 20:53 |
| SpeedEvil | lcuk: it'd be lovely if it could do that in hardware. | 20:54 |
| lcuk | luke-jr indeed ive been busier than usual working on maemo | 20:54 |
| lcuk | SpeedEvil, hm? | 20:54 |
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| SpeedEvil | lcuk: The wiimote cam does it all in hardware - extracts centroids of 10(?) brightest spots automagically. | 20:54 |
| lcuk | SpeedEvil, yeah same basic premise | 20:55 |
| luke-jr | vocal* | 20:55 |
| lcuk | except wiimote uses 8 leds | 20:55 |
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| crashanddie | SpeedEvil: 16 | 20:55 |
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| SpeedEvil | I'd believe 16. | 20:55 |
| lcuk | SpeedEvil, mine is based on a triangle | 20:55 |
| luke-jr | so anyway... 1746143 vs 1769492 -- could the only difference be compiler? | 20:55 |
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| SpeedEvil | I wish these sorts of chips were avaialbale to mortals. | 20:55 |
| lcuk | ? | 20:55 |
| lcuk | the camera is | 20:55 |
| crashanddie | SpeedEvil: it can track up to 16 spots independently, after 16 it starts dropping the sensitivity to fade out some | 20:56 |
| SpeedEvil | Naah - tiny cameras with silly framerate and onboard image processing | 20:56 |
| technomike | Haha! That's really cool and so easy. DLNA media streaming. :D | 20:56 |
| technomike | its working great | 20:56 |
| lcuk | SpeedEvil, 320*240 and as fast as it can be delivered | 20:56 |
| * luke-jr grumbles | 20:56 | |
| lcuk | and quite an optimal processing algo | 20:56 |
| lcuk | but i have to go write more | 20:56 |
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| jacekowski | btw. there is one interesting block in CAL | 21:01 |
| jacekowski | well, 2 blocks | 21:01 |
| jacekowski | cert-npc and cert-ccc and cert-hwc | 21:01 |
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| ZogG | what is this rumor about maemo6 about? | 21:04 |
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| technomike | ZogG - Its obviously fake :P | 21:05 |
| ZogG | i know | 21:05 |
| ZogG | but it annoys me =) | 21:05 |
| ZogG | i got it on facebook | 21:05 |
| technomike | Some idiot has just made it up and published it on his blog haha | 21:05 |
| ZogG | maemo over9000 | 21:05 |
| technomike | and other idiots are believing it :P | 21:05 |
| ZogG | i want to believe (c) | 21:06 |
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| blizzow | has anyone here run into the bug where plugging in the headphones doesn't work unless done really slowly? | 21:07 |
| blizzow | I'm not too keen on flashing my phone. | 21:07 |
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| ZogG | me | 21:08 |
| ZogG | i don't know if it physical or not | 21:08 |
| ZogG | at my case | 21:08 |
| ZogG | i don't do it slow i just doing it over and over till it works | 21:08 |
| Trizt | blizzow; I only use bluetooth | 21:08 |
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| ZogG | Trizt, which one? | 21:09 |
| blizzow | ZogG: Re-flashing my phone fixed it for a long time. A couple of months later, I installed some packages and suddenly I have the same problem again. | 21:09 |
| Trizt | one moment, had it so long I forgot | 21:09 |
| ZogG | blizzow what can i say man, if you don't find it at bugtracker - you are welcome to fill it | 21:09 |
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| ZogG | Trizt, i'm considering buying one | 21:10 |
| Trizt | ZogG; BH-214 | 21:10 |
| ZogG | Trizt does it eats too much battery (for music for example) | 21:10 |
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| Trizt | ZogG; it's a bit tricky to use, as the buttons don't work if you don't press on the exact right place | 21:10 |
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| ZogG | Trizt but do n900 supports the buttons? | 21:11 |
| Trizt | ZogG; I recharge it once a week, I listen like 45min / day | 21:11 |
| ZogG | Trizt i mean the n900 battery | 21:11 |
| Trizt | ZogG; yes it does, at least in the player | 21:11 |
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| ZogG | Trizt damn | 21:12 |
| Trizt | ZogG; Not too badly think it takes like 8% (or less) for those 45mins | 21:12 |
| ZogG | hmm | 21:12 |
| Trizt | I have to say I never thoguth about it | 21:12 |
| ZogG | i'm gonna ride bicycle everyday now to work for about ~40 mins i would like to have music | 21:13 |
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| Trizt | ZogG; you may be interested of a Proporta 3400 external battery/charger | 21:14 |
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| ZogG | is it really good? | 21:14 |
| Trizt | I think it is | 21:16 |
| luke-jr | handhelds have far too easy a time getting lost :( | 21:16 |
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| Venemo | luke-jr: the good thing about phones is you can ring them when they get lost. | 21:21 |
| luke-jr | Venemo: but this is #Maemo, not #Android or #Symbian | 21:21 |
| Venemo | luke-jr: the N900 has a phone, so you can find it by ringing it. | 21:22 |
| jacekowski | tbh. nolo is the best piece of code from nokia i saw so far | 21:22 |
| luke-jr | Venemo: you assume everyone purchases a voice plan | 21:23 |
| Venemo | jacekowski: what is nolo? | 21:23 |
| luke-jr | ... | 21:23 |
| jacekowski | Nokia Loader | 21:23 |
| Venemo | luke-jr: well, sorry. I did | 21:23 |
| Venemo | jacekowski: what's that? | 21:23 |
| jacekowski | Venemo: n900 bootloader | 21:23 |
| luke-jr | same principle applies to SSH I suppose | 21:23 |
| jacekowski | and i don't say that very often | 21:23 |
| luke-jr | but N810 battery dies too fast | 21:23 |
| luke-jr | and C760 battery is .. dead | 21:23 |
| Venemo | jacekowski: ah. | 21:23 |
| luke-jr | haven't lost N900 yet | 21:24 |
| luke-jr | only a matter of time I'm sure | 21:24 |
| D-Iivil | jacekowski: nolo? | 21:25 |
| Venemo | luke-jr: you can put in it a pay-as-you-go SIM | 21:25 |
| Venemo | D-Iivil: jacekowski: Venemo: n900 bootloader | 21:25 |
| luke-jr | Venemo: for N900, yes; that doesn't cover N810 or C760 | 21:25 |
| luke-jr | Venemo: in all cases, I could SSH and play some sound file if the battery isn't dead yet tho | 21:25 |
| D-Iivil | Venomo, ok. The name "nolo" just caught my attention. It's "mortified / embarrassed" in finnish. | 21:26 |
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| Venemo | luke-jr: yes, you could | 21:27 |
| Venemo | D-Iivil: I'm sorry, I'm not familiar with Finnish | 21:27 |
| D-Iivil | Venemo: well, I can assure you you're not the only one on this planet :P | 21:28 |
| luke-jr | lol | 21:28 |
| Venemo | D-Iivil: yeah. | 21:28 |
| luke-jr | funny Nokia is in Finland tho ;) | 21:28 |
| luke-jr | we can only conclude the nolo code must be terrible | 21:29 |
| D-Iivil | I just though if they finally realized mistakes they have made and now put a name that stands for the truth for a product :P | 21:29 |
| Venemo | LoL | 21:29 |
| D-Iivil | luke-jr: that's exactly what the word means in street slang. Shitty. So shitty that's embarrasing to show it to anyone :P | 21:30 |
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| D-Iivil | Maybe the next one will be called as "Molo" which means dick... | 21:31 |
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| luke-jr | they've been NOLO since at least N800 | 21:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | lcuk: front cam? | 21:31 |
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| kwtm | Hi. Where do I go on the web again to browse packages in extras-testing? | 21:31 |
| lcuk | yes DocScrutinizer | 21:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer | :-) | 21:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | cheater | 21:32 |
| jacekowski | luke-jr: well, it isn't | 21:32 |
| jacekowski | luke-jr: it's quite a nice code | 21:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | everybody thinks it's main cam to paper | 21:32 |
| luke-jr | jacekowski: how do you know? ;) | 21:32 |
| jacekowski | luke-jr: it looks like somebody writing nolo really knew what he was doing | 21:32 |
| lcuk | DocScrutinizer, that would not be absolute positioning though which i need | 21:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | lcuk: damn cute | 21:32 |
| jacekowski | luke-jr: what do you think | 21:32 |
| lcuk | DocScrutinizer, when i tie it up with the newer liq* modules it will be better | 21:33 |
| luke-jr | jacekowski: nfc, I havent seen code | 21:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | lcuk: could I fix the 3 LED to my hat? | 21:33 |
| lcuk | sure :D | 21:33 |
| jacekowski | luke-jr: i didn't as well | 21:33 |
| lcuk | it probably wouldnt work in direct sunlight though | 21:33 |
| Venemo | kwtm: http://maemo.org/packages/ | 21:33 |
| lcuk | mind you, nothing would | 21:34 |
| jacekowski | luke-jr: i'm just looking into disassembler listing | 21:34 |
| lcuk | DocScrutinizer, ive got the lights actually coming from another n900 atm | 21:34 |
| luke-jr | hehehe | 21:34 |
| lcuk | and making them high 5 each other ;) | 21:34 |
| luke-jr | GCC writes good code? :P | 21:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | lcuk: take near IR pulsed LEDs, they will work during atomix flash | 21:34 |
| jacekowski | luke-jr: not really | 21:35 |
| ZogG | Venemo you can't ring your phone when you lose it, as you don't have phone to ring from =) | 21:35 |
| lcuk | lol DocScrutinizer - i considered that as well but the specs on the camera and the filter over the top makes it less than effective | 21:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | lcuk: when you pulse the LED wit ~12.5HZ | 21:35 |
| Venemo | ZogG: you borrow another from the family | 21:35 |
| jacekowski | luke-jr: but what gcc generates is very influenced by C code | 21:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | you can diff two frames and get LEDs in brightest sunlight | 21:35 |
| Venemo | ZogG: or ask someone else | 21:35 |
| lcuk | gcc is very good at low level loop optimisations | 21:35 |
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| luke-jr | jacekowski: not on ARM, IMO | 21:36 |
| lcuk | DocScrutinizer, possible - its all expandable | 21:36 |
| luke-jr | jacekowski: based on my own disassembly, GCC must totally reorder everything | 21:36 |
| lcuk | i just happy it works at all | 21:36 |
| jacekowski | luke-jr: besides, it looks like it's not gcc | 21:36 |
| jacekowski | luke-jr: there are some tricks in code that i know gcc doesn't know how to do | 21:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | lcuk: it's really smart. congrats | 21:36 |
| lcuk | \o/ ta dude | 21:37 |
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| DocScrutinizer | was that you who asked me about trigonometric calculations for a triangle in camera analysis, some months ago? | 21:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | or was somebody else thinking along same line? | 21:39 |
| lcuk | it mightv been, ive had a few ideas for how to pull this off for a while | 21:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm yes | 21:39 |
| lcuk | but it got viable to use the camera once i sussed a few things out and learnt about filtering algos | 21:39 |
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| DocScrutinizer | also that's been you with edge detection and lowpass filtering? | 21:40 |
| lcuk | yeah | 21:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer | *smile* | 21:40 |
| E0x | DocScrutinizer: tell him... he is the chosen one | 21:41 |
| E0x | :P | 21:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~hail lcuk | 21:42 |
| * infobot bows down to lcuk and chants, "I'M NOT WORTHY!!" | 21:42 | |
| DocScrutinizer | now that's a really nice box of Lego blocks now, to pull off some high level smartass things | 21:42 |
| luke-jr | I wish N900 actually had a full 4 bB eMMC | 21:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | 4 BubbaByte? | 21:43 |
| Venemo | luke-jr: what is 4 bB? | 21:43 |
| Jartza | bitebytes | 21:44 |
| lcuk | indeed DocScrutinizer :) i like building little things | 21:44 |
| luke-jr | Venemo: equivalent of 32 base-1024 GB | 21:44 |
| luke-jr | bongbloks | 21:44 |
| ds3 | sigh... the mail program after PR1.2 has gotten worse :( | 21:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: DO NOT TELL ME TONAL!!! | 21:45 |
| luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: tonal-based :) | 21:45 |
| luke-jr | Tonal predates data units altogether | 21:46 |
| Venemo | the mail program is ... well, it doesn't even worth mentioning | 21:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | fsckofff | 21:46 |
| luke-jr | so I had to improvise :) | 21:46 |
| kerio | you mean GiB | 21:46 |
| luke-jr | kerio: no, I mean classical GB | 21:46 |
| trip0 | GibbyBytes | 21:46 |
| luke-jr | GiB is just something the SI idiots made up to force their SI crap on us | 21:46 |
| trip0 | SI == Sports Illustrated FYI | 21:47 |
| luke-jr | I used bB to avoid this argument :) | 21:47 |
| * DocScrutinizer rolls eyes and makes obscene sounds with finger in mouth | 21:47 | |
| luke-jr | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SI disagrees, trip0 | 21:47 |
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| trip0 | luke-jr, which only provokes us to talk about the argument | 21:47 |
| mtnbkr | ds3: agreed re: "the mail program after PR1.2 has gotten worse " | 21:48 |
| trip0 | luke-jr, I know it disagrees. But wikipedia is wrong in this case. Sports Illustrated is the sports authority. and the only body with enough magazine issues to force such a standard | 21:48 |
| mtnbkr | unusable | 21:48 |
| trip0 | plus they have an annual swimsuit issue | 21:48 |
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| ds3 | the argument for the mail program is its integration with the rest of the system | 21:48 |
| kerio | SI > you | 21:49 |
| ds3 | has anyone gotten commandline MH working on the N900? | 21:49 |
| trip0 | ChuckNorris > SI | 21:49 |
| luke-jr | anyhow, I define 1 blok as a 128 (base-1024) KB quantity | 21:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: SI GiB were invented to stop US (mainly) marketing blockheads hijacking the base2 system by telling us 1MB == 1000 kB | 21:49 |
| luke-jr | which makes a blokbong equal to 1 bit, and a blokmill equal to 2 bytes | 21:50 |
| Venemo | btw, just a side question | 21:50 |
| Venemo | is Modest is open source, why don't we do anything about it? | 21:50 |
| luke-jr | and a millblok, half a base-1024 gigabyte | 21:50 |
| luke-jr | Venemo: easier to use KMail | 21:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Venemo: we saved it all for you :-D | 21:51 |
| Venemo | KMail? | 21:51 |
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| ds3 | luke-jr: someone got kmail integrated into the N900? | 21:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | no but KDE | 21:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-P | 21:52 |
| luke-jr | ds3: no, but I will probably be running Gentoo before long as my sole OS :P | 21:52 |
| Venemo | is KMail available for Maemo? | 21:52 |
| ds3 | blah | 21:52 |
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| ds3 | if the internal mailer is anything like normal modest, it blows chunks | 21:52 |
| ds3 | I get better functionality running elm | 21:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | KMail is luke-jr 's tonal version of claws, I guess | 21:52 |
| luke-jr | no | 21:52 |
| luke-jr | KMail is KDE's mail app | 21:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | orlly | 21:53 |
| MohammadAG51 | i'm tempted to try kde on ubuntu on the N900 | 21:53 |
| Venemo | btw, is there any alternative to Modest? | 21:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | claws | 21:53 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I heard | 21:53 |
| luke-jr | now that I have a working cross-kernel, I'm getting my N900 setup to build and flash its own kernels <.< | 21:54 |
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| Venemo | DocScrutinizer: is that the non-finger-friendly stuff that is half-working? | 21:54 |
| luke-jr | btw, in reality I'm quite satisfied with Modest on my N900 at the moment | 21:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | Venemo: prolly | 21:54 |
| luke-jr | enough that I planned to use it as my sole email client when my power was out | 21:54 |
| alterego | luke-jr: Why not just use kexec? | 21:54 |
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| luke-jr | alterego: why kexec when I can flash? :P | 21:55 |
| Venemo | luke-jr: modest is not that bad, just unconvenient | 21:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | tbh I'm not satisfied with mail processing on a mobile device, so modest is just sufficient for as much as a bother | 21:55 |
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| alterego | luke-jr: quicker | 21:55 |
| Venemo | well, there is no option to mark all mails as read. | 21:55 |
| luke-jr | alterego: not if you want to boot the kernel every single boot | 21:55 |
| Venemo | => so, when I refresh my inbox and have 100 new mails, I have to mark them read one by one | 21:55 |
| alterego | Well, then flash once you've tested with kexec :D | 21:56 |
| luke-jr | Venemo: that's a good thing | 21:56 |
| luke-jr | you shouldn't mark them read until you read them :D | 21:56 |
| luke-jr | alterego: sure | 21:56 |
| luke-jr | alterego: has anyone actually confirmed kexec works on N900? | 21:56 |
| alterego | luke-jr: no idea. | 21:56 |
| alterego | Heh | 21:56 |
| * luke-jr wonders if his kexec support ever got merged into bootmenu | 21:56 | |
| alterego | I just remember seeing it in boot menu .. | 21:56 |
| alterego | So I presumed that's how it worked .. | 21:57 |
| luke-jr | hehe | 21:57 |
| luke-jr | I made a kexec branch of bootmenu that works in theory... | 21:57 |
| luke-jr | but I never got to testing it | 21:57 |
| luke-jr | XD | 21:57 |
| alterego | Hah | 21:57 |
| Venemo | luke-jr: how so? if I read them all previously on my computer, it is annoying to mark them as read again | 21:57 |
| luke-jr | Venemo: Modest ignores the read flag? | 21:57 |
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| mtnbkr | as much as I dislike iPhone, the IMAP support of their mail client is pretty slick and works far better, faster and more reliably than maemo mail. :( | 21:58 |
| Venemo | luke-jr: what is a read flag? | 21:58 |
| luke-jr | ... | 21:58 |
| mtnbkr | IMHO of course :) | 21:58 |
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| luke-jr | the status flag that marks a message as read | 21:58 |
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| MohammadAG51 | hmm | 21:58 |
| D-Iivil | mtnbkr: but you can't attach attatchments directly from mail client @ iPhone :-P | 21:58 |
| Venemo | luke-jr: well, I dunno if it should work for POP3 as well | 21:58 |
| MohammadAG51 | i seriously want to get an iPhone to see what people see in it | 21:58 |
| luke-jr | Venemo: people use POP3 still? | 21:59 |
| MohammadAG51 | i mean, i've played with 10 or so iPhones, the app store sucks | 21:59 |
| D-Iivil | mtnbkr: or at least we didn't figure it out while trying to do it with my co-worker's iPhone couple days ago. Only way to send an image via e-mail was to go to image gallery and send it from there. | 21:59 |
| Venemo | luke-jr: what's the problem with it? | 21:59 |
| ds3 | the mailer is borq... it fails to find new mail when on non WiFi | 21:59 |
| luke-jr | Venemo: ... | 21:59 |
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| MohammadAG51 | the only problem i find with modest is when you click an email in a folder | 21:59 |
| MohammadAG51 | it shows an error, other than that, nada | 22:00 |
| Venemo | luke-jr: I had some annoyances with IMAP, so I prefer POP3. | 22:00 |
| luke-jr | IMAP just works | 22:00 |
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| alterego | I find it takes an ice age to sync .. | 22:00 |
| alterego | But that's the same with the app manager .. | 22:00 |
| Venemo | luke-jr: really? well, POP3 works, too. | 22:00 |
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| luke-jr | no, it doesn't | 22:00 |
| Venemo | luke-jr: why not? :P | 22:00 |
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| luke-jr | POP3 doesn't have folders, etc | 22:00 |
| luke-jr | it's designed for a single end-computer | 22:00 |
| luke-jr | using POP3 from multiple computers is asking for problems | 22:01 |
| luke-jr | it isn't meant for that | 22:01 |
| mtnbkr | D-Iivil: yeah, but I am talking about plain IMAP-related issues like taking MINUTES to open my INbox when the app loads. Server is fast, iPhone client is fast... N900 is unusable for me. Then there is the issue of sent message NOT being put in Sent folder on server like any SANE IMAP client can do... and so on.. N900 rocks... it's mail client not so much | 22:01 |
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| lcuk | mtnbkr, everybodies mail use case is different | 22:01 |
| lcuk | some folks happily rummage through their mail on the go | 22:02 |
| mtnbkr | lcuk: exactly, that is why I said "IMHO" :) | 22:02 |
| lcuk | others, like yourself have issues - if you have skills to debug and identify sticking points, the source is open it would be great to cure them for others | 22:02 |
| Venemo | luke-jr: I prefer to keep a copy of my messages on the server and use them with POP3 | 22:02 |
| luke-jr | Venemo: that's not what POP3 is designed for | 22:03 |
| Venemo | luke-jr: this is the simplest to set up | 22:03 |
| luke-jr | if you go against the design, don't complain when things don't work right | 22:03 |
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| luke-jr | POP3 is a Post Office Protocol; you pick mail up and that's all | 22:03 |
| luke-jr | IMAP is a remote mailbox access protocol | 22:04 |
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| Venemo | luke-jr: well, I had problems with IMAP in the past | 22:04 |
| D-Iivil | mtnbkr: yeah, I agree. I gave up using mail client @ N900 and moved using just gmail via Opera. | 22:04 |
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| mtnbkr | D-Iivil: hehe and I gave up and now use the web interface to my Zimbra server on my N900 | 22:05 |
| Venemo | luke-jr: and I also heard that IMAP support on the N900 is not good, so I didn't bother | 22:05 |
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| D-Iivil | mtnbkr: good thing about gmail is that it supports multiple mail accounts easily wrapped in one interface. | 22:06 |
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| D-Iivil | mtnbkr: I just wish I could add more accounts. There's a limit with Gmail which was like six accounts or so... | 22:07 |
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| slonopotamus | Stskeeps, ping | 22:07 |
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| luke-jr | slonopotamus: are you ok if I merge the n8x0 and n900 overlays at some point? | 22:08 |
| Stskeeps | slonopotamus: pon | 22:08 |
| Stskeeps | g | 22:08 |
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| slonopotamus | Stskeeps, can you try to build fb_text2screen master on meego? | 22:10 |
| Stskeeps | slonopotamus: url for master was? | 22:10 |
| slonopotamus | luke-jr, sure. you have n90 one? | 22:10 |
| slonopotamus | Stskeeps, git://slonopotamus.org/fb_text2screen | 22:10 |
| slonopotamus | luke-jr, *0 | 22:11 |
| Stskeeps | slonopotamus: got a gitweb? :P | 22:11 |
| luke-jr | slonopotamus: yeah, just a profile and fremantle-sources for now | 22:11 |
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| slonopotamus | Stskeeps, http://git.slonopotamus.org | 22:11 |
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| Stskeeps | slonopotamus: will look into integrating it tomorrow, package maintainer is on vacation so | 22:11 |
| slonopotamus | luke-jr, feel free to push to same overlay, we just can rename it to smth more suitable later | 22:12 |
| luke-jr | slonopotamus: just asking in advance :) | 22:12 |
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| luke-jr | slonopotamus: I'll keep them independent-but-compatible for now | 22:12 |
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| slonopotamus | Stskeeps, i just want to know if it builds without patching :) | 22:12 |
| slonopotamus | Stskeeps, if yes, i'll roll out a tarball | 22:12 |
| luke-jr | Stskeeps: wanna test my fremantle-sources patch for me? :P | 22:13 |
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| luke-jr | or tell me how to test drivers/dsp/bridge/dynload/cload.c ? | 22:13 |
| * slonopotamus really likes the fact that more and more projects move to git | 22:14 | |
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| * luke-jr tends to use git for new projects and bazaar for old | 22:14 | |
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| luke-jr | slonopotamus: want to try my kernel? :P | 22:15 |
| slonopotamus | luke-jr, on n900? | 22:16 |
| luke-jr | yeah | 22:16 |
| slonopotamus | luke-jr, what did you change? | 22:16 |
| luke-jr | built with vanilla/Gentoo GCC 4.4 | 22:16 |
| luke-jr | and enabled a bunch of options | 22:16 |
| luke-jr | like iptables, IPv6, etc | 22:16 |
| luke-jr | compiled-in ext2 | 22:16 |
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| luke-jr | the stuff needed for iotop | 22:17 |
| luke-jr | bridge support | 22:17 |
| luke-jr | PPP | 22:17 |
| luke-jr | ACLs | 22:17 |
| luke-jr | CIFS/Samba | 22:17 |
| luke-jr | that's it I think | 22:17 |
| Venemo | nah, good night guys :) | 22:18 |
| Venemo | bye | 22:18 |
| luke-jr | ... | 22:18 |
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| slonopotamus | luke-jr, i doubt i need any of those :/ | 22:18 |
| luke-jr | slonopotamus: the iptables stuff enables you to use SSH to proxy all outbound TCP traffic ;) | 22:18 |
| technomike | Guys, is it worth installing the enhanced kernel that I see in the repos in the app manager. | 22:18 |
| technomike | I see that it improves features and things, and adds support for other things, but does it have any bad effects? | 22:19 |
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| * slonopotamus turns sound off so luke-jr won't wake him up | 22:20 | |
| luke-jr | :( | 22:20 |
| luke-jr | slonopotamus: could just set Away :p | 22:21 |
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| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: to get to get nolo prompt you have to press key on a keyboard | 22:22 |
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| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: i'm not sure which one yet | 22:22 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: but it's key on keyboard that triggers it not data in rx queue | 22:22 |
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| * luke-jr looks forward to the day he can build a single kernel that boot both N810 and N900 :P | 22:23 | |
| jacekowski | not going to happen | 22:23 |
| jacekowski | kernel is different | 22:24 |
| jacekowski | hardware is different | 22:24 |
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| luke-jr | jacekowski: is going to happen | 22:26 |
| luke-jr | x86 Linux can build a single kernel for any x86 PC | 22:26 |
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| luke-jr | Linux-OMAP is working toward allowing generic kernels too | 22:26 |
| jacekowski | you can't | 22:28 |
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| jacekowski | if you would build one kernel that would run on every pc | 22:28 |
| jacekowski | it would be huge binary blob | 22:28 |
| luke-jr | modules, jacekowski | 22:28 |
| jacekowski | or have shitloads modules | 22:28 |
| luke-jr | every major distro except Gentoo does it | 22:29 |
| jacekowski | both options are evil | 22:29 |
| luke-jr | would be neat to hand-craft some bytecode that jumps based on architecture :D | 22:29 |
| luke-jr | if executed as ARM, jumps to the ARM loader; if executed as x86, jumps to the x86 loader; if executed as MIPS, ... | 22:30 |
| luke-jr | just two is fairly difficult when I tried tho | 22:30 |
| luke-jr | slightly related to all this: is there any way I can prevent Maemo5 from modifying my kernel? :P | 22:31 |
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| jacekowski | sort of | 22:32 |
| jacekowski | you can tell onenand to write protect that area | 22:32 |
| tybollt | egads | 22:32 |
| luke-jr | that would break NOLO in case I screwed up tho :( | 22:33 |
| tybollt | just heard a rumour that Intel can't package Poulsbi drivers w/ meego........ :S | 22:33 |
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| tybollt | wonder if that is only the netbook side of things or if it goes for the powervr chip in the N900 as well. | 22:33 |
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| luke-jr | good | 22:33 |
| technomike | I can't get enough of the N900 ! It just gets better and better haha | 22:35 |
| luke-jr | technomike: until Nokia decides to EOL it | 22:36 |
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| luke-jr | but at least it shouldn't be as bad for N900 as it was for N810 | 22:36 |
| technomike | EOL ? | 22:36 |
| jason2 | Hi, I just installed Maemo 5 in in ubuntu 10.04. Does Maemo 5 come with pre-installed browser ? I mean is there any web browser that I can download from application manager itself since I want to open HTML documents in it. | 22:37 |
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| luke-jr | technomike: End-Of-Life | 22:37 |
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| luke-jr | jason2: you mean you installed the SDK? | 22:37 |
| luke-jr | jason2: Maemo only runs on Nokia devices | 22:37 |
| jason2 | yep. I instaled the sdk | 22:37 |
| technomike | luke-jr - That won't be anytime soon though will it ;) | 22:38 |
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| luke-jr | technomike: nfc | 22:38 |
| technomike | Nfc? | 22:38 |
| luke-jr | technomike: no freaking clue | 22:38 |
| technomike | Oh | 22:38 |
| luke-jr | for N810, it was about a year before they released N900 | 22:38 |
| technomike | They still support the N95 :D | 22:38 |
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| luke-jr | N95 is a phone | 22:39 |
| technomike | Ohhhhhhhh | 22:39 |
| jason2 | luke-jr : yep, I installed the SDK. | 22:39 |
| technomike | Keep forgetting, this falls into the internet tablet catagory | 22:39 |
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| luke-jr | technomike: and also classified as an experiment by Nokia | 22:39 |
| luke-jr | jason2: SDK isn't the whole OS | 22:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~wtf nfc | 22:40 |
| infobot | NFC: no fucking clue | 22:40 |
| luke-jr | jason2: it's for development, not use | 22:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | .O | 22:40 |
| technomike | luke-jr - It is? :o | 22:40 |
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| luke-jr | technomike: last I heard | 22:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: WTF? Ibought classified HW? >.-( | 22:41 |
| technomike | haha | 22:41 |
| luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: wrong definition | 22:41 |
| luke-jr | s/classified/categorized | 22:41 |
| luke-jr | although I'd say N900 is pretty classified hw... ;) | 22:42 |
| luke-jr | they won't give the specs up after all | 22:42 |
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| technomike | What do you mean? The specs of N900 are available everywhere | 22:42 |
| luke-jr | technomike: uh, no... | 22:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | whatever, I'm happy I got one spare now, just in case Nokia really eventually EOL's it | 22:43 |
| technomike | What do you mean luke-jr | 22:43 |
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| luke-jr | technomike: schematics, hardware interfaces, etc | 22:43 |
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| technomike | luke-jr - Ahhhhhhhh, my mistake. I just thought you meant the standard tech hardware specs | 22:44 |
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| technomike | What are you reasons for it being an experiment though? :o | 22:44 |
| technomike | *your | 22:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | nevertheless schem and SM-L1_2, 3_4 | 22:44 |
| luke-jr | no, I don't mean a summary of the specs that is absolutely useless :P | 22:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | all evailable in nternet | 22:44 |
| luke-jr | technomike: IIRC some Nokia employee said so | 22:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | available | 22:45 |
| luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: non-leaked? | 22:45 |
| technomike | luke-jr - Oh :o Never knew about that | 22:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | non official for all I can tell | 22:45 |
| luke-jr | technomike: "600 MHz" for example means basically nothing | 22:45 |
| luke-jr | it has no relation to 600 MHz of other devices | 22:45 |
| SpeedEvil | Non official - however in principle they could have removed the link from the wiki if they'd chosen to. | 22:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | sure | 22:46 |
| luke-jr | SpeedEvil: legal? | 22:46 |
| luke-jr | hmm | 22:46 |
| technomike | luke-jr - Well thats a good thing probably. They want to move away from symbian on their standard phones and use something similar to Maemo/MeeGo | 22:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | but it'd leak again. Every service center has that shit now | 22:46 |
| jason2 | luke-jr: actually, i opened my javascript application by installing Qt demo web browser on Maemo SDK. But I aim to port my application on this platform , so I want to assure that whenever some one clicks my application it "opens with" browser. And I am not sure if Qt web browser comes along with every Maemo device . | 22:46 |
| technomike | I mean about the experment | 22:46 |
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| luke-jr | Nokia pays for the hardware hosting the wiki, right? can we argue that by leaving it alone, they approved the distribution? :P | 22:46 |
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| luke-jr | technomike: uh, no | 22:46 |
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| luke-jr | technomike: Nokia has made it perfectly clear that Symbian is their phone platform. Now and for the foreseen future. | 22:47 |
| technomike | luke-jr - How come? | 22:47 |
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| luke-jr | Maemo/MeeGo is not supposed to be a phone platform. | 22:47 |
| luke-jr | never has been, and apparently Nokia remains content with it being a tablet platform | 22:47 |
| technomike | Ah yeah, but what I mean is, Symbian isn't that good, and I meant Maemo-LIKE. Maemo is more stable etc | 22:47 |
| technomike | than symbian | 22:48 |
| luke-jr | jason2: I suspect Qt should have an API to open a URI with the default browser, regardless of OS | 22:48 |
| technomike | I upgraded to N900 from N97 | 22:48 |
| technomike | and what an upgrade it was! | 22:48 |
| kerio | heh | 22:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: I'm not sure who pays the tmo and wmo servers. maybe maemo.dev | 22:48 |
| luke-jr | technomike: N900 is a computer. N97 is a phone. | 22:48 |
| kerio | technomike: it's like moving from a boat to a shuttle | 22:48 |
| technomike | luke-jr - True, but its more stable anyway | 22:48 |
| kerio | they serve *slightly* different purposes | 22:48 |
| technomike | Yep | 22:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps might know | 22:48 |
| luke-jr | technomike: Symbian remains what Nokia will develop and use for phones. | 22:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | or X-Fade | 22:48 |
| SpeedEvil | luke-jr: really not the same as a proper legal schematic release IMO. | 22:48 |
| luke-jr | kerio: very different, IMO | 22:48 |
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| technomike | Good points guys. I am just saying, that even as a phone, the n900 is alot more stable than the N97 running symbian. | 22:49 |
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| technomike | If you see what I mean | 22:49 |
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| trumee | anybody tried sip with tls? | 22:49 |
| jacekowski | do we know anybody in the UK who can flash wiped CMT? | 22:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: (phone platform) wrong. Meego is the N-series OS of the future | 22:49 |
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| luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: just repeating what Nokia has said :) | 22:50 |
| slonopotamus | DocScrutinizer, and N-series is... internet tablets! :) | 22:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | who? you or me? | 22:50 |
| technomike | DocScrutinizer - Yeah, I heard that too, but with the release of Symbian 3 (or whatever the version N8 is running), I doubt it. | 22:50 |
| luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: me | 22:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | slonopotamus: uhu, like N-95 or what? | 22:50 |
| luke-jr | does N95 say "Nseries"? | 22:51 |
| technomike | Yeah | 22:51 |
| slonopotamus | DocScrutinizer, it got N by mistake | 22:51 |
| luke-jr | O.o | 22:51 |
| luke-jr | maybe Nokia is discontinuing Nseries phones | 22:51 |
| luke-jr | :) | 22:51 |
| technomike | Nokia NSERIES on the back | 22:51 |
| slonopotamus | SpeedEvil, how's jrbme? :) | 22:51 |
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| luke-jr | SpeedEvil: any reason jrbme can't be moved into Linux kernel? | 22:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah, SpeedEvil - how's jrbme :-P | 22:51 |
| technomike | luke-jr - No way, the Nseries is the highest quality series of phones they produce | 22:52 |
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| luke-jr | or at least whatever part reads the battery remaining stuf | 22:52 |
| slonopotamus | luke-jr, jrbme currently has no code oublished. | 22:52 |
| slonopotamus | s/oub/pub/ | 22:52 |
| infobot | slonopotamus meant: luke-jr, jrbme currently has no code published. | 22:52 |
| luke-jr | slonopotamus: hence why I have to ask | 22:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: that's all script for now | 22:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | nothing for kernel anyway | 22:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | really not at all | 22:53 |
| slonopotamus | luke-jr, so yes, it can definitely be moved :P | 22:53 |
| jacekowski | luke-jr: there are things that kernel isn't supposed to do | 22:53 |
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| luke-jr | jacekowski: but parts, it should | 22:53 |
| jacekowski | thing is that more goes to kernel then less can be restarted easily | 22:53 |
| slonopotamus | jacekowski, hw management isn't the thing kernel shouldn't do | 22:53 |
| luke-jr | kernel needs to report battery info to userland properly :P | 22:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: definitely NOPE | 22:53 |
| luke-jr | jacekowski: rmmod && modprobe | 22:54 |
| jacekowski | slonopotamus: bme is doing so much more | 22:54 |
| jacekowski | luke-jr: sort of | 22:54 |
| jacekowski | luke-jr: but not | 22:54 |
| luke-jr | split it | 22:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | (jr)bme always was NO kernel domain and the f*ck has to keep out of kernel for all forseeable future | 22:54 |
| slonopotamus | jacekowski, it does too much? | 22:54 |
| SpeedEvil | luke-jr: Some parts make sense | 22:54 |
| slonopotamus | DocScrutinizer, show us the code! | 22:55 |
| SpeedEvil | luke-jr: For example - it would make sense to have a battery charger module | 22:55 |
| luke-jr | SpeedEvil: it would make very good sense to have a battery status module at least | 22:55 |
| SpeedEvil | luke-jr: And it would make sense for there to be a charge meter module too | 22:55 |
| luke-jr | so normal tools like KDE can read remaining time, etc | 22:55 |
| kerio | SpeedEvil: so we can charge during boot | 22:55 |
| kerio | :D | 22:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: report what? you get decent sysnodes to access bq24150 - maybe. in kernel. but that's NOT bme! | 22:55 |
| jacekowski | kernel should interface hardware and provide interface for it to userland | 22:55 |
| slonopotamus | DocScrutinizer, and i'll show you libopencal :) | 22:55 |
| jacekowski | slonopotamus: you have opencal? | 22:56 |
| slonopotamus | jacekowski, sure | 22:56 |
| jacekowski | slonopotamus: working opencal? | 22:56 |
| jacekowski | slonopotamus: with working checksum calculations? | 22:56 |
| slonopotamus | jacekowski, readonly, yep. | 22:56 |
| luke-jr | lol | 22:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: you're asking for LKML bashing, are you? | 22:56 |
| jacekowski | blah | 22:56 |
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| slonopotamus | jacekowski, working checksums but broken entry placement on write | 22:57 |
| jacekowski | slonopotamus: there is so much more | 22:57 |
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| jacekowski | slonopotamus: flags, writeone? | 22:57 |
| jacekowski | writeonce? | 22:57 |
| slonopotamus | writeonce? | 22:57 |
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| jacekowski | yep | 22:57 |
| jacekowski | cal has writeonce blocks | 22:57 |
| jacekowski | that can't be updated | 22:57 |
| jacekowski | and are stored somewhere else | 22:58 |
| jacekowski | but i'm not sure about that | 22:58 |
| slonopotamus | ah, sure | 22:58 |
| luke-jr | I have readonly writeonce I think | 22:58 |
| slonopotamus | wlan mac and friends | 22:58 |
| jacekowski | well, let me check | 22:58 |
| slonopotamus | jacekowski, they're in separate area | 22:58 |
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| luke-jr | slonopotamus: speaking of which, we should get tablet-wireless init script reading that and setting it XD | 22:59 |
| luke-jr | rather than forcing the user to set it in /etc/conf.d/net | 22:59 |
| slonopotamus | luke-jr, just a matter of changing wlan-cal path. | 22:59 |
| luke-jr | uh, no? | 22:59 |
| luke-jr | oh, I think I know what you mean... | 22:59 |
| luke-jr | I meant have te script actually do it | 23:00 |
| slonopotamus | do what? | 23:00 |
| luke-jr | ifconfig wlan0 hwaddr $(read-value wlan-mac) | 23:00 |
| luke-jr | or such | 23:00 |
| technomike | luke-jr - Is it worth installing the enhanced kernel | 23:00 |
| luke-jr | technomike: nfc | 23:00 |
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| luke-jr | technomike: I build my own kernel now | 23:00 |
| technomike | :o | 23:00 |
| luke-jr | on my N900 | 23:00 |
| luke-jr | ;p | 23:00 |
| slonopotamus | you just call (open-)wlan-cal and things are written to device | 23:00 |
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| luke-jr | slonopotamus: lame | 23:00 |
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| luke-jr | slonopotamus: UNIX philosophy! An app to read values, and the script calls ifconfig/ip with it! | 23:01 |
| ShadowJK | Issue with having it in-kernel is none of us knows how to write kernel code ;-) Though if bq24150 module provides access to the registers I guess that's fine too | 23:01 |
| luke-jr | ShadowJK: I've done a bit | 23:01 |
| luke-jr | ShadowJK: tell me what to do :P | 23:01 |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: what do you mean? | 23:01 |
| slonopotamus | luke-jr, k, i can make it accept entry key and print entry value to stdout | 23:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: another issue is we'll never get that upstream | 23:01 |
| ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer, well, bq27200 already exists upstream | 23:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: ^^^ that | 23:01 |
| ShadowJK | half-finished | 23:01 |
| slonopotamus | luke-jr, already have a function for that, just no command line flag | 23:01 |
| SpeedEvil | bq27200 half-finished module is upstream. Finishing it and polishing it wouldn't be a huge task | 23:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: I mean a kernel-bme, not bqXXXX-sysfs nodes | 23:02 |
| SpeedEvil | ah | 23:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | won't make it upstream | 23:02 |
| SpeedEvil | no - kernel BME would be mostly insane | 23:02 |
| ShadowJK | And various chargers also exist upstream... The thing that would be hard to push upstream in a sensible manner would be the bits that tie it all together into a working combination | 23:02 |
| jacekowski | slonopotamus: locking of writeonce user blocks? | 23:02 |
| luke-jr | slonopotamus: I already did that! | 23:02 |
| luke-jr | slonopotamus: also, some keys have multiple values | 23:02 |
| luke-jr | :D | 23:02 |
| luke-jr | http://luke.dashjr.org/tmp/code/n8x0_cfgread.c | 23:02 |
| ShadowJK | you need to hook usb, and talk to the usb driver from a "power management" module that talks to the charger module and battery gauge module, among other things... | 23:03 |
| slonopotamus | luke-jr, there are not 'multiple values' | 23:03 |
| luke-jr | slonopotamus: mine predates your lib :) | 23:03 |
| slonopotamus | luke-jr, that's versioning | 23:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: chargers in kernel are hw chargers, that's exactly what bq24150 sysnodes will do | 23:03 |
| ShadowJK | I don't know if there's a standard way to export battery charge level from kernel.. I thought they invented devicekit-something for that :) | 23:04 |
| ShadowJK | (and no, acpi isn't standard) | 23:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: USB in kernel, layering hell | 23:04 |
| luke-jr | putting all BME in kernel is like putting a soft WLAN implementation in kernel | 23:04 |
| luke-jr | it's doable, but probably would require a dedicated team | 23:04 |
| slonopotamus | jacekowski, i (and libcal) just don't write to that special area and i forbid overrides of entries from there with entries in main area | 23:04 |
| ShadowJK | luke-jr, it's just the spaghetti-like tentacles needed to tie it together :) | 23:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: yep | 23:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | layering violations all ver the place | 23:05 |
| ShadowJK | On PCs you've got SMM, which is arguably nastier.. :) | 23:05 |
| SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: there is a power-supply API | 23:05 |
| * DocScrutinizer likes to mention he's a notorious foe of too much layering | 23:05 | |
| ShadowJK | And regulator API, into which bq24150 also fits | 23:06 |
| ShadowJK | (I'd think) | 23:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer | on FR we need regulators to start even CPU, we need CPU to start I2C, and we need I2C to control regulators - muhahaha | 23:06 |
| jacekowski | well, all drivers for devices - just drivers | 23:07 |
| jacekowski | + separate module to talk to all of them | 23:07 |
| jacekowski | that could be unloaded if userland daemon starts or something | 23:07 |
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| ShadowJK | If I ever find spare time I'm going to make a userspace daemon, then whoever wants can steal bits of it into kernel :P | 23:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: layering layering layering, whos father who's child | 23:08 |
| jacekowski | well, something sort of close to cpufrequency scaling | 23:08 |
| kerio | who's afraid of the big bad layer | 23:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | get layed | 23:09 |
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| jacekowski | besides, there is a lot of different certificates in nolo | 23:09 |
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| jacekowski | including ones that look like certs that are used to sign cmt firmware | 23:10 |
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| kerio | if my vote mattered, and it doesn't, i'd vote for battery control in the kernel | 23:10 |
| kerio | or at least setting up some kind of interface there | 23:10 |
| kerio | like laptops do | 23:10 |
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| ShadowJK | laptops don't need it | 23:10 |
| ShadowJK | they don't have charge control in kernel | 23:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | I think a set of nice sane sysnodes for bq24150 will do quite conveniently. Everything else is a shellscript 5 liner then, for mere charging | 23:10 |
| jacekowski | well, acpi like thing | 23:10 |
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| jacekowski | i think i can make a driver for bq24150 | 23:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | for remaining_time and simlar shit, we need a hal_addon_jrbem | 23:11 |
| jacekowski | i mean it could be copyright violation | 23:11 |
| ShadowJK | huh | 23:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: yeah, don't violate my (C), sucjer! | 23:12 |
| ShadowJK | Why would it be copyright violation? | 23:12 |
| jacekowski | ShadowJK: "based on RE" | 23:12 |
| ShadowJK | ffs | 23:12 |
| jacekowski | ShadowJK: since i reversed quite a bit of a code of bme | 23:12 |
| ShadowJK | Just use the datasheet | 23:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: for bq24150 sysnodes?? forgetit | 23:12 |
| kerio | i still don't get what's so hard about charging a damn battery | 23:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | kerio: NUTTIN | 23:13 |
| jacekowski | kerio: do you want to lose your testicles in an explosion? | 23:13 |
| kerio | jacekowski: no, but i never lost a testicle in a decade of using cellphones | 23:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: stop that FUD! | 23:13 |
| kerio | AND THEY DIDN'T HAVE FANCY USERLAND DAEMONS | 23:13 |
| kerio | actually, they had no userland | 23:14 |
| Wolfie | doesn't the battery handle overcharging internally? | 23:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | bq24150 won't let you do that | 23:14 |
| ShadowJK | Wolfie, No. | 23:14 |
| Wolfie | ok | 23:14 |
| dotblank | Does the n900 have support for opengles in libsdl yet? | 23:14 |
| slonopotamus | kerio, you have a phone with 'ps' or 'top'? | 23:14 |
| dotblank | libsdl1.3* | 23:14 |
| kerio | slonopotamus: well, the n900 | 23:14 |
| kerio | :P | 23:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: you actually disassembled a bl-5j? do you know it has no safety chip? | 23:15 |
| slonopotamus | kerio, how you know there are no charging daemons? | 23:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: e.g GTA02 battery cuts out on 4V300 or the like | 23:15 |
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| ShadowJK | The default settings that bq24150 boot up with charge the battery to 40% or so. You can program it to 100% for our battery, but it can also be programmed to overcharge. This would drastically shorten the life of the battery. The amount of overcharging it can do, however, is within the range for which the batteyry has been tested to endure without "deformation or flame" :P | 23:15 |
| Wolfie | i just assumed that li-ions should have a safety chip, just so that no would get darwin'd while playing with them | 23:16 |
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| ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer, I already accidentally charged one of my N900 batteries higher than that ;-) | 23:16 |
| Wolfie | "no one would" | 23:16 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: so it had higher voltage when unconnected? | 23:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: it took charge on 4V5? | 23:17 |
| kerio | Wolfie: how are we going to clear up the gene pool then? | 23:17 |
| ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer, it was near 4.4 when I discovered it | 23:17 |
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| Wolfie | kerio: i think there are other ways | 23:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: I had to check back with old specs I don't clearly remember, but maybe cutout on gta02 bat was 4V45 | 23:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | dunno | 23:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer | but it has a over/undercharge protector chip | 23:18 |
| ShadowJK | I doubt there's anything besides a thermal fuse in nokia batteries :) | 23:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer | if Nokia would consider paying me 300/month, I could be bothered to buy and dissect a bl-5j. But just for fun, while reducing cost of meals... nah meh | 23:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Nokia just come over with a decent(!!!) technical engineering spec for BL-5J. All we need for jrbme | 23:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | charging half | 23:21 |
| technomike | Man | 23:21 |
| ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer, link? | 23:21 |
| ShadowJK | oh | 23:21 |
| technomike | Theres no way I am paying £30 for a Nokia battery, when I can get a Nokia battery online for £5 | 23:21 |
| ShadowJK | "come" | 23:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: they ought. not did | 23:21 |
| ShadowJK | not "came" :) | 23:21 |
| technomike | Theres no way I would pay £30 for any battery | 23:22 |
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| technomike | Fake batteries even work fine | 23:22 |
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| technomike | But, I have 2 genuine Nokia batteries | 23:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | technomike: you get a 'nOKiA' battery online for 5 bucks, yeah | 23:22 |
| technomike | haha | 23:22 |
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| technomike | Nah, believe it or not, I have honestly got a GENUINE Nokia battery on eBay for £5 | 23:23 |
| technomike | I have it in my phone right now charging | 23:23 |
| jacekowski | does it have hologram? | 23:23 |
| technomike | Yeah | 23:23 |
| kerio | define genuine | 23:23 |
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| ShadowJK | the same hologram that was copied in 3 days? :) | 23:23 |
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| jacekowski | and have you checked the numbers from hologram? | 23:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | technomike: you can you tell when even Nokia themselves need to disassemble those to tell apart | 23:23 |
| kerio | the hologram was faked in 3- damn ShadowJK | 23:23 |
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| ds3 | how different is the bq24150 chip from the other members of the bq2xxxx stuff that has a driver in the kernel? | 23:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | s/you/how/ | 23:24 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer meant: technomike: how can you tell when even Nokia themselves need to disassemble those to tell apart | 23:24 |
| jacekowski | ds3: very | 23:24 |
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| ds3 | blah | 23:24 |
| ShadowJK | I wonder what went wrong with the scratch hologram to reveal serial number and enter serial number onto nokia website for verification (and subsequent attempts at verification would give negative result) scheme | 23:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | ds3: completely | 23:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | bq27200 is a completely different chip, even for the function of it | 23:25 |
| technomike | The description on the ebay product page also said something like: Its genuine, because its been sent back with faulty contract phones. The batteries themselves are fine. | 23:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ds3: though for sysnodes it's 101 | 23:25 |
| ds3 | Hmmm | 23:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | a chip, a I2C bus, a few 8bit or 16bit registers, to read and/or to write | 23:26 |
| jacekowski | ds3: i'll make a module for bq2.whavercharger thing | 23:26 |
| jacekowski | ehh | 23:26 |
| jacekowski | i'll make charger module today or tomorrow | 23:26 |
| ds3 | there are drivers for the some bq2xxxx chips already | 23:26 |
| ds3 | maybe adapt instead? | 23:27 |
| jacekowski | no | 23:27 |
| jacekowski | these are different chips | 23:27 |
| jacekowski | that have only name in common | 23:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: please! make a sysnode driver. just a simple sysnode driver, according to kernel standards for accessing hardware | 23:27 |
| ds3 | prehaps I should ask... how different is it? | 23:27 |
| jacekowski | part of name | 23:27 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: sure | 23:27 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: you'll have it tomorrow | 23:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer | needs just ~5 registers to access the chip | 23:28 |
| jacekowski | ds3: like an apple and elephant differen | 23:28 |
| jacekowski | t | 23:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: ok, you get a spec for the sysnodes tonight | 23:28 |
| ds3 | uh | 23:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: deal? | 23:28 |
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| ShadowJK | 24150 has no 16bit registers I think | 23:28 |
| ShadowJK | atleast none that matter | 23:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | yup | 23:28 |
| kerio | apples and elephant are pretty similar | 23:28 |
| jacekowski | deal | 23:29 |
| ShadowJK | But it does have a few registers that change their meaning depending on whether you write or read them :-) | 23:29 |
| jacekowski | shame that there is no floating point math in kernel | 23:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: actually no I2C chip has *real* 16bit regs | 23:29 |
| jacekowski | i would use it just for sake of using it | 23:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: a few bits, yeah | 23:29 |
| ShadowJK | The kernel people say all processing should take place in userspace :-) | 23:30 |
| ShadowJK | and rightly so | 23:30 |
| kerio | processing? | 23:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: that's exctly the reason why we won't get any kernel charger shit upstream | 23:30 |
| kerio | it can be substituted by a 5 line shell script | 23:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: ShadowJK ^^^ | 23:31 |
| ShadowJK | My current charge script is about 6 lines, not counting comments, and that includes hardware access ;p | 23:31 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: well, drivers - yes | 23:31 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: and then we can have pluggable interface for controlling stuff | 23:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: probably based on the original draft then? | 23:32 |
| ShadowJK | probably | 23:32 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: what about watchdog | 23:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: I'm starting to write the sysnode specs in 10 min. expect them in a few hours | 23:32 |
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| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: e-mail - jacekowski@jacekowski.org | 23:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | k | 23:33 |
| jacekowski | btw. have you read what i said about nolo commandline | 23:33 |
| jacekowski | that it triggers on keyboard | 23:33 |
| jacekowski | i'm not sure on which one | 23:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | nope | 23:33 |
| jacekowski | as i don't know anything about how it interfaces gaia yet | 23:34 |
| jacekowski | but it's same piece of code that triggers flashing mode | 23:34 |
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| DocScrutinizer | interface GAIA?? | 23:34 |
| jacekowski | yeah | 23:34 |
| jacekowski | keyboard is connected to gaia | 23:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | for what now? | 23:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | aah yes | 23:35 |
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| jacekowski | nolo touches pretty much everything | 23:35 |
| jacekowski | it's 100k of thumb code | 23:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | so you mean we have to hold down Fn+K+L+! to get nto Nolo cmdlline menu? | 23:36 |
| jacekowski | + 3 pictures | 23:36 |
| jacekowski | nah | 23:36 |
| jacekowski | just one key | 23:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer | humm, that's 32? boots to find out? | 23:36 |
| jacekowski | or some time spent on reading datasheet and reversing how does it interface gaia | 23:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | 39 | 23:37 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer: wait, what | 23:37 |
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| DocScrutinizer | kerio: what what? | 23:38 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: there are couple pictures in nolo binary | 23:38 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: and a lot of different keys/certs | 23:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | muhaha | 23:38 |
| jacekowski | and as i said | 23:38 |
| jacekowski | it's nolo doing flashing of cmt | 23:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep | 23:38 |
| jacekowski | and it looks like nolo modifies that image | 23:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | nasty | 23:38 |
| jacekowski | and signs it again | 23:39 |
| jacekowski | so key is in nolo | 23:39 |
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| jacekowski | i'm not sure yet how to use it | 23:39 |
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| luke-jr | cmt? | 23:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | won't fly anyway | 23:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | modem | 23:39 |
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| jacekowski | and i've got no idea how to modify cmt firmware anyways | 23:39 |
| jacekowski | because it looks little bit like arm code | 23:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: you can't | 23:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | it prolly is | 23:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | at least parts of it | 23:40 |
| jacekowski | if i can modify nolo to don't verify orignal signature | 23:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | then for sure there's DSP code | 23:40 |
| jacekowski | then i can | 23:40 |
| luke-jr | jacekowski: you forget NOLO itself is signed | 23:41 |
| jacekowski | well, i saw no evidence of that | 23:41 |
| luke-jr | but if you can extract NOLO's signing code... | 23:41 |
| luke-jr | and sign+flash from kernel | 23:41 |
| luke-jr | or userland | 23:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | and cmt for sure using more certs than just the one in NOLO | 23:41 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: there is lot of certs in nolo | 23:41 |
| jacekowski | ape certificate | 23:41 |
| jacekowski | papukeys | 23:41 |
| jacekowski | and couple more | 23:41 |
| luke-jr | jacekowski: maybe the one used to sign it originally? :P | 23:42 |
| jacekowski | maybe | 23:42 |
| jacekowski | i'll have to dump these certs | 23:42 |
| jacekowski | and dump pictures that are in nolo | 23:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | certs are boring, pics are funny though. Bet one is 'NOKIA' and one is a USB pctogram | 23:44 |
| jacekowski | well, these are 3 quite big pictures | 23:44 |
| jacekowski | about the same size | 23:44 |
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| jacekowski | format of that picture is a problem | 23:48 |
| SpeedEvil | this would be the NOKIA that's shown in some conditions? | 23:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer | is there xrandr for maemo? | 23:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | n900 | 23:55 |
| jacekowski | i've got no idea how these pics are stored | 23:55 |
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| jacekowski | and code displaying them is too big for static analysis | 23:55 |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: I just ssh -X myhost | 23:55 |
| SpeedEvil | then xrandr -o normal | 23:55 |
| luke-jr | lol | 23:55 |
| SpeedEvil | bu that's silly | 23:55 |
| luke-jr | I can make one easily :p | 23:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | there's at least 2 NOKIA pics? one for b&w no-backlight, and the bl blue-on-white one? | 23:56 |
| jacekowski | all of them starts with 0xff, 0xff, 0x,ff | 23:56 |
| luke-jr | unlike Maemo4, Gentoo bins tend to be be compatible with Maemo5 | 23:56 |
| SpeedEvil | jacekowski: dump, and see if file recognises | 23:56 |
| jacekowski | SpeedEvil: data | 23:56 |
| jacekowski | even after i tried to skip couple bytes | 23:57 |
| SpeedEvil | ah | 23:57 |
| * tybollt read doc comment as "there are atleast 2 NOKIA bbw's" ;) | 23:57 | |
| jacekowski | pictt: DBase 3 data file with memo(s) (1766470821 records) | 23:57 |
| jacekowski | that was that was the best result i've got | 23:57 |
| SpeedEvil | :) | 23:57 |
| jacekowski | 3964 bytes | 23:57 |
| luke-jr | file thinks *everything* Is DBate 3 | 23:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~wtf bbw | 23:57 |
| infobot | Gee... I don't know what bbw means... | 23:57 |
| luke-jr | DBase* | 23:57 |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: google-images | 23:58 |
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| tybollt | DocScrutinizer: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Beautiful_Woman | 23:58 |
| jacekowski | 125 pictt: DOS executable (COM) | 23:58 |
| jacekowski | 129 pictt: MIPSEB MIPS-II ECOFF executable - version 231.82 | 23:58 |
| jacekowski | 135 pictt: apollo a88k COFF executable not stripped - version 23275 | 23:58 |
| jacekowski | 158 pictt: DOS executable (COM) | 23:58 |
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| jacekowski | 1st number is amount of skipped bytes | 23:59 |
| tybollt | DocScrutinizer: pr0n-slang for "fat chick" | 23:59 |
| jacekowski | tybollt: you seem to be quite oriented in that sort of terminology | 23:59 |
| tybollt | DocScrutinizer: mind it is late and I'm just being silly :) | 23:59 |
| jacekowski | do you have fetish for fat chicks? | 23:59 |
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