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| luke-jr | Stskeeps: nope, it doesn't... | 00:01 |
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| luke-jr | that is, flasher 3.5 can't change boot params either | 00:02 |
| jacekowski | nothing can | 00:02 |
| jacekowski | it's hardcoded iirc | 00:02 |
| luke-jr | jacekowski: can you build PR1.2-compat kernels? :D | 00:03 |
| jacekowski | what do you mean by pr1.2 compat kernel | 00:03 |
| jacekowski | it's just a normal kerne | 00:03 |
| jacekowski | with all nokia modules | 00:03 |
| luke-jr | jacekowski: LOL, no it isn't | 00:03 |
| luke-jr | anyhow, I mean something that can boot Maemo | 00:04 |
| jacekowski | well, yeah | 00:04 |
| luke-jr | in my attempting to debug why my own kernels won't boot, I broke /sbin/preinit | 00:04 |
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| luke-jr | to recover, I need a working kernel that uses /sbin/preinit.orig | 00:04 |
| luke-jr | could you make me one please? :) | 00:04 |
| jacekowski | hmmm | 00:04 |
| jacekowski | something like that | 00:04 |
| jacekowski | that can be done | 00:04 |
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| luke-jr | jacekowski: ty :D | 00:05 |
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| luke-jr | jacekowski: also, I'm not sure it's necessary, but I *might* need bootreason hard-coded to pwr_key | 00:06 |
| luke-jr | I can't seem to find a way to boot with power-key and also load a kernel over USB | 00:06 |
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| lbt | DrGrov: ask here.... | 00:11 |
| luke-jr | jacekowski: I'm waiting on you, correct? or do I need to give more info? | 00:12 |
| jacekowski | waiting | 00:13 |
| luke-jr | k | 00:13 |
| DrGrov | So, I do find that the call forwarding on the N900 should be addressed quite rapidly. Feels like a high-end device like the N900 should support call forwarding by default without any playing around with config files nor having to do much of anything to get it working. Even a 20 € regular cell phone has a working call forwarding that just works, plain and simple. Does it really have to get this difficult on such a technically advanced phon | 00:13 |
| DrGrov | e/tablet ? | 00:13 |
| luke-jr | DrGrov: it doesn't work? | 00:14 |
| SpeedEvil | :/ | 00:14 |
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| lbt | DrGrov: Issues like this are usually dealt with by reporting a bug. | 00:15 |
| DrGrov | lbt: and what happens when I report a bug? Nothing much perhaps? | 00:16 |
| lbt | it often seems that way :) | 00:16 |
| ShadowJK | I vaguely remember a call forwarding app, so that suggests someone thought the included call forwarding doesn't work | 00:16 |
| luke-jr | DrGrov: in theory, the people who fix bugs looks at it | 00:16 |
| DrGrov | ShadowJK: That is what I mean | 00:16 |
| lbt | but I think it is just that we don't see the work going on behind the scenes | 00:16 |
| DrGrov | It should be there by default and no need to jump around in the phone and installing things | 00:16 |
| luke-jr | DrGrov: call forwarding isn't exactly a standard feature | 00:17 |
| DrGrov | luke-jr: yes, in theory I can agree but in practice even? | 00:17 |
| DrGrov | luke-jr: call forwarding not a standard feature? may I ask that when were you born and have not seen call fowarding?? | 00:17 |
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| luke-jr | DrGrov: I was born in 1985. I recently noted a lack of call forwarding on my wife's standard cellular service. | 00:18 |
| jacekowski | luke-jr: done almost | 00:18 |
| jacekowski | luke-jr: but | 00:18 |
| * ShadowJK shrugs | 00:18 | |
| jacekowski | if your phone will explode/melt/do anything | 00:19 |
| jacekowski | don't blame it on me | 00:19 |
| luke-jr | jacekowski: hehe, ok | 00:19 |
| DrGrov | luke-jr: I do find call forwarding to be a absolute must on any phone. | 00:19 |
| luke-jr | DrGrov: the only time I can see it as useful is people who want Google Voice voicemail...\ | 00:19 |
| jacekowski | maemo.jacekowski.org/binary/zImage | 00:19 |
| jacekowski | it should work and ignore init option | 00:20 |
| jacekowski | and run preinit.orig instead | 00:20 |
| ShadowJK | One problem with bugs is that bugs are only behaviours that deviate from the intended/designed, so if the design spec says call forwarding should work exactly the way it does now, then it's not a bug, but a feature request ;p | 00:20 |
| DrGrov | luke-jr: I do tons of phone calls each day and I really depend on call forwarding to work since if I run out of battery it will nicely revert it to my work phone or vice versa | 00:20 |
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| andre__ | DrGrov, what's the issue with call forwarding currently? | 00:21 |
| luke-jr | jacekowski: doesn't seem to work :( | 00:21 |
| jacekowski | luke-jr: what's the problem? | 00:21 |
| luke-jr | jacekowski: no idea, no fbcon | 00:21 |
| luke-jr | it just reboots after N seconds | 00:21 |
| Macer | still watching bleach | 00:21 |
| Macer | heh | 00:21 |
| jacekowski | get it into r&d mode | 00:22 |
| luke-jr | it is | 00:22 |
| jacekowski | watchdog disabled? | 00:22 |
| luke-jr | unlikely | 00:22 |
| jacekowski | and lifeguard restart? | 00:22 |
| luke-jr | how do I do that? :P | 00:22 |
| jacekowski | with r&d flags | 00:22 |
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| luke-jr | still no-go | 00:24 |
| jacekowski | hmmmm | 00:24 |
| luke-jr | fbcon variant? :) | 00:24 |
| jacekowski | and nothing on the screen? | 00:24 |
| luke-jr | NOKIA logo, R&D icon, kernel version etc | 00:24 |
| luke-jr | 'no initfs \o/' | 00:25 |
| luke-jr | hmm | 00:25 |
| luke-jr | after it rebooted, now it's just sitting there | 00:25 |
| luke-jr | no reboot, but no progress either | 00:25 |
| Macer | wtf. when did everybody in bleach learn how to fly around? | 00:25 |
| jacekowski | well, that's coming from preinit | 00:25 |
| jacekowski | hmmm | 00:26 |
| jacekowski | let me just check something | 00:26 |
| luke-jr | fbcon I think will help debug | 00:26 |
| luke-jr | especially now that it isn't rebooting | 00:27 |
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| jacekowski | ok | 00:31 |
| jacekowski | building | 00:31 |
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| jacekowski | real 2m31.820s | 00:34 |
| jacekowski | user 7m57.694s | 00:34 |
| jacekowski | sys 0m28.030s | 00:34 |
| jacekowski | luke-jr: | 00:34 |
| jacekowski | luke-jr: same address | 00:34 |
| luke-jr | it's trying to use /sbin/preinit | 00:35 |
| luke-jr | not /sbin/preinit.orig | 00:35 |
| luke-jr | :( | 00:35 |
| jacekowski | how do you know that? | 00:35 |
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| luke-jr | my /sbin/preinit problem is that I rm /dev/console :) | 00:35 |
| luke-jr | and it's complaining about failing to open it | 00:35 |
| jacekowski | where do you see that it's trying to run that /sbin/preinit? | 00:36 |
| luke-jr | if it wasn't, I wouldn't get a console error | 00:36 |
| luke-jr | since /dev/console would exist | 00:37 |
| SpeedEvil | Macer: that's not a bleach thing - in japan everyone can fly. | 00:37 |
| luke-jr | ...assuming a dynamic /dev :| | 00:37 |
| jacekowski | nah, it's not dynamic at that stage | 00:37 |
| luke-jr | ouch | 00:37 |
| luke-jr | I fail | 00:37 |
| luke-jr | ok, how about another approach... | 00:37 |
| luke-jr | compile-in ext2 support, and try to boot /sbin/init on root=/dev/mmcblk0p5 ? | 00:38 |
| jacekowski | what is complaining btw | 00:38 |
| luke-jr | :) | 00:38 |
| jacekowski | kernel? | 00:38 |
| luke-jr | no, something in preinit I think | 00:38 |
| jacekowski | that can be fixed | 00:38 |
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| luke-jr | hmm | 00:39 |
| luke-jr | maybe just init=/bin/sh even actually | 00:39 |
| luke-jr | except I probably won't be able to load a keymap with digits | 00:39 |
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| jacekowski | give me a sec | 00:39 |
| jacekowski | ok | 00:42 |
| jacekowski | same file | 00:42 |
| jacekowski | that might work | 00:42 |
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| jacekowski | hmm maybe no | 00:43 |
| jacekowski | try it | 00:43 |
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| luke-jr | nope | 00:45 |
| luke-jr | what was that supposed to do | 00:45 |
| jacekowski | create /dev/console | 00:46 |
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| jacekowski | any specific message | 00:46 |
| jacekowski | or what? | 00:47 |
| luke-jr | the final msg is always "Kernel panic - not syncing: Attempted to kill init!" | 00:48 |
| jacekowski | that's ok | 00:48 |
| luke-jr | also | 00:48 |
| jacekowski | now try the previous one | 00:48 |
| luke-jr | bootup reason in log says usb | 00:48 |
| jacekowski | i mean, previous kernel | 00:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | ZogG: ping MohammadAG51 :-) | 00:49 |
| luke-jr | jacekowski: same | 00:49 |
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| MohammadAG51 | shush :P | 00:49 |
| luke-jr | jacekowski: maybe init=/bin/sh > | 00:49 |
| luke-jr | ? | 00:49 |
| jacekowski | maybe | 00:50 |
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| jacekowski | ok | 00:51 |
| jacekowski | same address agan | 00:51 |
| jacekowski | again* | 00:51 |
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| luke-jr | nope :| | 00:52 |
| luke-jr | is 2.6.28 too old for devtmpfs? | 00:53 |
| luke-jr | yeah | 00:53 |
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| luke-jr | root=/dev/mmcblk0p5 init=/sbin/init | 00:53 |
| luke-jr | plz | 00:53 |
| jacekowski | try this one | 00:54 |
| luke-jr | no-go; what was that? | 00:54 |
| jacekowski | hmmm | 00:54 |
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| Macer | SpeedEvil: hahha! | 00:55 |
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| luke-jr | jacekowski: ? root=/dev/mmcblk0p5 init=/sbin/init | 00:56 |
| jacekowski | sure | 00:56 |
| jacekowski | just a sec | 00:56 |
| luke-jr | jacekowski: also, I suspect I know why your create-devconsole one failed: /dev/console exists, but it's not a device node | 00:57 |
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| jacekowski | luke-jr: now | 00:58 |
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| luke-jr | jacekowski: can't open root blah blah | 01:00 |
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| luke-jr | jacekowski: need ext2 compiled in | 01:00 |
| jacekowski | hmm | 01:00 |
| jacekowski | maybe | 01:00 |
| luke-jr | rootfstype=ext2 also possibly | 01:00 |
| luke-jr | since Maemo's kernel never detects it right | 01:01 |
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| luke-jr | init=/sbin/init root=/dev/mmcblk0p5 rootfstype=ext2 console=tty0 snd-soc-rx51.hp_lim=42 snd-soc-tlv320aic3x.hp_dac_lim=6 | 01:03 |
| luke-jr | maybe make init=/bin/sh since I don't have fstab configured... | 01:03 |
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| jacekowski | luke-jr: try now | 01:03 |
| luke-jr | hrm, still nope ;( | 01:04 |
| luke-jr | I wonder if the kernel calls it mmcblk0p5 | 01:04 |
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| jacekowski | well, it has to exist in /dev | 01:05 |
| luke-jr | for the kernel? | 01:05 |
| jacekowski | yes | 01:05 |
| jacekowski | kernel has builtin small initrd | 01:05 |
| jacekowski | with that kind of shit | 01:05 |
| jacekowski | are you downloading it over http? | 01:06 |
| jacekowski | are you sure that you don't have some proxy there? | 01:06 |
| ShadowJK | in normal maemo bootup /dev/mmc* dosn't exist at preinit time | 01:06 |
| luke-jr | sure | 01:06 |
| luke-jr | normal cmdline has root=ubi0:rootfs :P | 01:06 |
| jacekowski | *<---->1) device number in hexadecimal>represents itself | 01:07 |
| jacekowski | *<---->2) /dev/nfs represents Root_NFS (0xff) | 01:07 |
| jacekowski | *<---->3) /dev/<disk_name> represents the device number of disk | 01:07 |
| jacekowski | *<---->4) /dev/<disk_name><decimal> represents the device number | 01:07 |
| jacekowski | * of partition - device number of disk plus the partition number | 01:07 |
| jacekowski | *<---->5) /dev/<disk_name>p<decimal> - same as the above, that form is | 01:07 |
| jacekowski | *<----> used when disk name of partitioned disk ends on a digit. | 01:07 |
| ShadowJK | luke-jr: btw, next time make a bootmenu.sh with mv preinit.orig preinit ;) | 01:07 |
| ShadowJK | or similar for whatever you've modded | 01:08 |
| luke-jr | ShadowJK: preinit is pre-bootmenu too | 01:08 |
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| ShadowJK | oh oops. | 01:08 |
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| luke-jr | jacekowski: can you be bothered to throw a busybox into an embedded initramfs and boot into that? :/ | 01:09 |
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| jacekowski | sure | 01:10 |
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| jacekowski | hmmm | 01:20 |
| jacekowski | i can't find static busybox | 01:20 |
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| luke-jr | jacekowski: think one from N810 would work? XD | 01:29 |
| luke-jr | will need to rebuild it to make it static, but... <.< | 01:30 |
| jacekowski | nah | 01:30 |
| jacekowski | i have one now | 01:30 |
| luke-jr | ....k | 01:30 |
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| Abhi_ | hello everyone | 01:32 |
| Abhi_ | is this maemo developers room | 01:32 |
| mortini | Sometimes. | 01:32 |
| mortini | Sometimes not. But, generally maemo related. | 01:33 |
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| Abhi_ | then for most of the times? | 01:33 |
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| Abhi_ | okay... so its same for Meego | 01:33 |
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| jacekowski | Abhi_: #maemo-devel | 01:35 |
| jacekowski | luke-jr: try now | 01:35 |
| Abhi_ | So future versions will be of Maemo only or it will come under the name as Meego | 01:36 |
| Abhi_ | thank you jace | 01:36 |
| jacekowski | luke-jr: does it work? | 01:37 |
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| luke-jr | jacekowski: no :( | 01:43 |
| luke-jr | jacekowski: no :( | 01:43 |
| luke-jr | floods something about /dev/tty* | 01:44 |
| jacekowski | yep | 01:44 |
| jacekowski | hmm | 01:44 |
| jacekowski | what is exactly the message? | 01:44 |
| luke-jr | init: can't log to /dev/tty5 | 01:44 |
| luke-jr | Can't open /dev/tty4: No such file or directory | 01:44 |
| luke-jr | process '-/bin/sh' (pid N) exited. Scheduling for restart. | 01:45 |
| luke-jr | not sure what it says before all the flooding | 01:45 |
| luke-jr | it scrolls off too fast | 01:45 |
| jacekowski | wait a sec | 01:46 |
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| jacekowski | now | 01:48 |
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| jacekowski | luke-jr: | 01:50 |
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| luke-jr | jacekowski: same | 01:56 |
| luke-jr | sorry, doing dishes in between attempts XD | 01:57 |
| jacekowski | just flash it | 01:59 |
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| luke-jr | :( | 02:03 |
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| jacekowski | hmm, kernel with very similiar config is booting on BB | 02:14 |
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| Pauly | hello | 02:20 |
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| Pauly | what does combined mean as in the maemo 5 img RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.19-1.002_PR_COMBINED_002_ARM.bin, not sure if its right? | 02:24 |
| Pauly | does that mean its the firmware and emmc image? | 02:25 |
| GAN900 | No | 02:25 |
| GAN900 | It has to do with which hardware revisions are supported | 02:25 |
| luke-jr | jacekowski: is it at the URI? | 02:26 |
| Pauly | oh ok, im tryng to get all the files i need | 02:26 |
| Pauly | i have flasher and that bin. | 02:26 |
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| GAN900 | Pauly, need for? | 02:27 |
| asj | oh god, I can't stop myself, I don't want to, but I can't hold back. Pauly why are flashing your dead phone? | 02:27 |
| Pauly | i got it to work. | 02:27 |
| Pauly | u must have not been here | 02:27 |
| kerio | Pauly actually charged the battery manually, by cutting the charger and connecting the pins directly | 02:28 |
| asj | kerio: really? | 02:28 |
| Pauly | GAN900: i bought it used, so i want it all fresh. | 02:28 |
| kerio | at least, that's what he says | 02:28 |
| Pauly | ya | 02:28 |
| kerio | she? | 02:28 |
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| Pauly | took like 2 mins | 02:28 |
| * asj shudders | 02:28 | |
| kerio | asj: yeah | 02:29 |
| Pauly | im a he!!!!! | 02:29 |
| kerio | :/ | 02:29 |
| kerio | but hey, it works | 02:29 |
| kerio | Pauly: that wasn't an insult | 02:29 |
| Pauly | iits ok | 02:29 |
| kerio | ~botsnack | 02:30 |
| infobot | kerio: thanks | 02:30 |
| Pauly | all i need is the flasher, and that bin file. i think. | 02:30 |
| kerio | Pauly: can you boot and charge the phone now? | 02:31 |
| kerio | i'd wait until it's completely charged before doing anything else | 02:31 |
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| Pauly | ya, its been powered on all day. | 02:31 |
| Pauly | had to use the back usb ports for the flasher to recognize my device. | 02:32 |
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| kerio | huh? | 02:32 |
| kerio | how many ports are there? | 02:32 |
| luke-jr | jacekowski: care to share? :| | 02:33 |
| asj | Pauly: did the charging led go from pulsing yellow to green? | 02:33 |
| luke-jr | kerio: on his computer | 02:33 |
| kerio | oh, i see | 02:33 |
| GAN900 | kerio, two on the device | 02:33 |
| Pauly | sry i know im not specific. | 02:33 |
| kerio | i have one | 02:33 |
| GAN900 | kerio, the pads under the batt are USB, serial and cell stuff. | 02:33 |
| kerio | ooh | 02:33 |
| kerio | col | 02:33 |
| kerio | er | 02:34 |
| kerio | cool | 02:34 |
| kerio | wait, what's the usb used for? | 02:34 |
| GAN900 | Factory flashing | 02:34 |
| GAN900 | Nokia has a cradle. | 02:34 |
| Pauly | thats cool | 02:34 |
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| Pauly | how is transmission the torrent client in easy debian? | 02:38 |
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| Pauly | stable, fast? | 02:38 |
| ech0Asus | unstable and very fast! | 02:38 |
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| Pauly | cool cause i have the one for maemo and it sucks. | 02:39 |
| luke-jr | GAN900: it's an independent port, or just a header for the same one? | 02:39 |
| asj | what's the facination with torrents on phones? it kills the bat in like 5mins | 02:39 |
| GAN900 | luke-jr, I'm not sure. | 02:40 |
| GAN900 | asj, 5 minutes? | 02:40 |
| asj | GAN900: ok, 2-4 hours | 02:40 |
| GAN900 | asj, 2-4 hours? | 02:40 |
| trip0 | rotation on maemo sucks compared to meego's | 02:40 |
| GAN900 | The fascination stems partly from novelty, and partly from convenience, I imagine. | 02:41 |
| asj | trip0: maemo has rotation? | 02:41 |
| trip0 | asj: it does in the dialer | 02:41 |
| GAN900 | One less thing tyinh you to a larger computer. | 02:41 |
| trip0 | if you turn it on | 02:41 |
| alterego | I wonder why "Nokia" decided to implement Maps in Mozilla ... | 02:42 |
| kerio | i don't see why the maemo transmission should be different from the easy debian transmission | 02:42 |
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| Pauly | kerio: it just does not respond with large files downloading. | 02:43 |
| Pauly | which i guess makes sence since its a mobile. | 02:43 |
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| Pauly | im hungry | 02:49 |
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| mneptok | oh no! an LjL! | 02:53 |
| LjL | mneptok :) | 02:53 |
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| LjL | mneptok: do you have a maemo device? | 02:55 |
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| mneptok | LjL: aye, an N900 | 02:58 |
| LjL | mneptok: ooh you luck rich #¤%#"#NO CARRIER | 02:59 |
| LjL | s/luck/lucky/ | 02:59 |
| infobot | LjL meant: mneptok: ooh you lucky rich #¤%#"#NO CARRIER | 02:59 |
| LjL | that i did. | 02:59 |
| mneptok | infobot: sit down. | 02:59 |
| * infobot puts on 200lbs, sits on down. and squishes him | 02:59 | |
| LjL | smart bot, why isn't ours as smart? | 02:59 |
| mneptok | i blame lazy bot developers | 02:59 |
| LjL | s/lazy bot developers/seveas/ | 02:59 |
| b-man | ~lazy | 02:59 |
| infobot | Hard work may pay off later, but LAZINESS pays off now! Work hard at hardly working! | 02:59 |
| b-man | lol | 03:00 |
| LjL | mneptok: i'm considering getting an N810 (N900 is way over budget) these days | 03:00 |
| mneptok | LjL: my father has an N810. despite being relegated to OS2008, it's still a great device. | 03:00 |
| Pauly | mneptok: paid $360 for mine, didn't even come with oem charger and tv- out cable | 03:01 |
| LjL | mneptok: i'm hopeful i'll be able to run MeeGo on it in some time | 03:01 |
| LjL | Pauly: that's a lot :\ i'm finding them at €100-150 on ebay | 03:01 |
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| Pauly | LjL: and i called nokia, they said it's not in warranty cause it was damaged before | 03:02 |
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| kerio | LjL: huh | 03:04 |
| kerio | i bought mine for 350€ | 03:04 |
| kerio | used | 03:04 |
| kerio | (barely) | 03:04 |
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| LjL | kerio: well... let me look for some past auctions | 03:05 |
| LjL | kerio: http://cgi.ebay.it/Nokia-N810-Internet-Tablet-WLAN-Bluetooth-GPS-GARANTIE-/330448382195 http://cgi.ebay.it/Nokia-N810-N-810-Internet-Tablet-MAEMO-OS-NEUWERTIG-/110552366838 http://cgi.ebay.it/NOKIA-N810-INTERNET-TABLET-/180524371720 | 03:06 |
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| pigeon | ok, i'll be stupid and unadventurous and ask this: has anyone bricked their n900 by using the led pattern editor like the warning said? :) | 03:16 |
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| luke-jr | ljp: N810 is mostly dead, though a few of us are trying to get something current running on it | 03:17 |
| luke-jr | LjL* | 03:17 |
| luke-jr | sorry ljp | 03:17 |
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| luke-jr | LjL: the problem is Nokia never really finished the Linux port (getting things merged to mainline) and some of the hardware (battery charger and GPS) require binary blobs | 03:18 |
| luke-jr | and most of the community (and all of Nokia) have moved on to N900 | 03:19 |
| LjL | luke-jr: i was told the latter thing. i really can't/won't afford an N900 though, and an N810 seems like a cheap alternative with some appeal. i know that Mer is unmaintained now, but does it work decently? i'm not above using unmaintained software :P | 03:20 |
| luke-jr | I don't think Mer ever really worked on N810 | 03:20 |
| luke-jr | Gentoo is the closest you'll find to "working" right now I think | 03:20 |
| GAN900 | It worked | 03:21 |
| lcuk | LjL, diablo is a fine OS, you are right its out of date now, but theres new apps for it and people still find novel things to do with them | 03:21 |
| lcuk | folks like the keyboard | 03:21 |
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| luke-jr | LjL: you might consider some other devices-- maybe a Ben NanoNote if it fits your needs | 03:21 |
| GAN900 | But the issue is lacking a complete DE | 03:21 |
| lcuk | scratchbox diablo works | 03:21 |
| lcuk | even on device building of certain things works | 03:22 |
| luke-jr | LjL: I picked up a netbook (Aspire One) on ebay for $110, but that might be too big | 03:22 |
| MohammadAG51 | meh, just noticed scrolling on S60v5 is much more smoother than Maemo 5's GTK | 03:22 |
| LjL | i have a netbook, eeepc 901 :) | 03:22 |
| luke-jr | lcuk: Diablo doesn't support XMPP w/ TLS (usually required these days) | 03:22 |
| lcuk | luke-jr, it was a solid tool for many people for a long time | 03:23 |
| lcuk | i still have mine on | 03:23 |
| lcuk | it runs my remote control | 03:23 |
| * luke-jr has his N810 w/ Gentoo on :) | 03:23 | |
| lcuk | there you go | 03:23 |
| luke-jr | in fact, I just stole its initfs busybox to try to fix my N900 | 03:23 |
| luke-jr | hopefully it works | 03:23 |
| lcuk | i like sketching on mine - the bigger screen is size i need | 03:23 |
| luke-jr | :/ | 03:23 |
| LjL | Ben NanoNote seems slightly too obscure, not on ebay so i have no idea where i'd get it. also, i started with the idea of getting a smartphone, so this would be starting to get a bit big | 03:23 |
| lcuk | LjL, find someone with one and have a play | 03:24 |
| lcuk | if you get the bug like most of us did you will enjoy it | 03:24 |
| luke-jr | LjL: Ben NanoNote is a new device for $100 | 03:24 |
| lcuk | and just today Stskeeps got meego running on it :) | 03:24 |
| luke-jr | and IIRC it's pretty small | 03:24 |
| luke-jr | also, N900 is the first Nokia tablet with cellular connectivity | 03:25 |
| luke-jr | N810 only supports wifi | 03:25 |
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| luke-jr | neither are really meant to be smartphones, but N810 certainly cannot fit that category | 03:25 |
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| LjL | luke-jr: i know that, but you see, initially i was thrilled about Android apparently being fully open source. then it turned out it wasn't really (not on real devices). so i started investigating the nokia tablet. true, the N810 isn't a phone, and it's not even all that open source, but it is if you run Gentoo or stuff on it. i'm actually thinking of getting *both* an Android phone and an N810, since my initial max price target was €200, and you can find those | 03:26 |
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| LjL | two for €100 each if you're lucky | 03:27 |
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| LjL | lcuk: i do keep my fingers crossed he will get it working satisfactorily on the N810 ;) | 03:28 |
| luke-jr | LjL: Maemo is less open than Android | 03:28 |
| luke-jr | and you cannot run a free OS on any N* devices yet | 03:28 |
| MohammadAG51 | MeeGo is more open than both :p | 03:28 |
| luke-jr | MohammadAG51: I hope so. :) | 03:28 |
| MohammadAG51 | well, not on the N900 | 03:29 |
| * lcuk loves how this discussion comes up AT ALL in relation to linux | 03:29 | |
| luke-jr | :( | 03:29 |
| luke-jr | LjL: http://sharism.cc/shop/ FWIW | 03:29 |
| luke-jr | lol | 03:29 |
| luke-jr | 10 packs for $990 XD | 03:29 |
| LjL | luke-jr: well, not a totally free one because of the drivers, but my understanding was that if you get the binary blobs installed, then you can get free stuff running - and also, that the binary blobs are only about peripherals such as wifi, and aren't actually required for booting the things, while they would be on most android devices | 03:29 |
| MohammadAG51 | meego on the RX-51 (sounds cooler :P) will have some blobs | 03:29 |
| luke-jr | LjL: wrong. | 03:29 |
| luke-jr | LjL: Wifi is the first thing actually merged to Linux, actually | 03:30 |
| luke-jr | LjL: but the big killer is BME, the battery charger | 03:30 |
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| luke-jr | you cannot use a device if it cannot charge its own battery | 03:30 |
| b-man | i hate how bme is closed | 03:30 |
| MohammadAG51 | can be fixed w/ a script | 03:30 |
| MohammadAG51 | b-man, bme hates how your closed too | 03:30 |
| LjL | luke-jr: i've been told there's an attempt to make a free BME clone, though | 03:30 |
| luke-jr | LjL: I know only of my own efforts, which are fruitless to date | 03:31 |
| MohammadAG51 | jrBME | 03:31 |
| luke-jr | well, someone here was talking about replacing N900-BME... | 03:31 |
| luke-jr | but that's a totally different beast than N810-BME | 03:31 |
| microlith | jacekowski has | 03:31 |
| MohammadAG51 | actually, it was DocScrutinizer | 03:31 |
| microlith | him too | 03:31 |
| MohammadAG51 | he kicked off the project and made a slightly working script | 03:32 |
| luke-jr | LjL: if you want a *phone* though, OpenMoko's phones are pretty free | 03:32 |
| b-man | nokia seems to frown apon any bme replacements | 03:32 |
| MohammadAG51 | b-man, who gives a crap | 03:32 |
| LjL | luke-jr: well i don't know, maybe Android is technically more open... however, what happens when i google Android is that i get some shady forums with "mods" which are just zipped binary blobs for some phones. on the other hand, if i google Maemo/Meego, what i seem to find is a community that seems geared on openness. so far, the IRC channels match that sensation too. | 03:32 |
| b-man | MohammadAG51: :P | 03:33 |
| LjL | i've heard bad things about OpenMoko though :( | 03:33 |
| GAN900 | I wish PDF would die. | 03:33 |
| luke-jr | LjL: Nokia marketting gets the open source crowd more, whereas Android marketting gets the iPhone crowd | 03:33 |
| luke-jr | LjL: I *think* OpenMoko phones work now | 03:33 |
| zash | GAN900: got something better ? | 03:33 |
| luke-jr | IIRC DocScrutinizer would know | 03:33 |
| GAN900 | zash, for basic text? | 03:34 |
| MohammadAG51 | zash, Microsoft® XPS of course | 03:34 |
| MohammadAG51 | :P | 03:34 |
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| GAN900 | zash, it pisses me off that people want to ship books in PDF so frequently. | 03:34 |
| zash | GAN900: for "printed documents" in digital format .. .ps? | 03:34 |
| GAN900 | Which doesn't work for FBReader. | 03:34 |
| luke-jr | ... | 03:35 |
| luke-jr | not their fault FBReader is crap | 03:35 |
| luke-jr | PDF is the standard | 03:35 |
| GAN900 | Yeah. . . . | 03:36 |
| GAN900 | Unfortunately it isn't reflowable | 03:36 |
| luke-jr | nor is paper | 03:36 |
| luke-jr | which pretty much defines book | 03:36 |
| GAN900 | Which is why it's retarded to put plaintext in PDF | 03:36 |
| alterego | Heh | 03:36 |
| alterego | This sounds like a very boring conversation :P | 03:36 |
| ham5 | PDF'sWHOOHOO~!!! | 03:37 |
| MohammadAG51 | /kick alterego | 03:37 |
| GAN900 | Aye | 03:37 |
| asj | openmoko phones never "good enough" in my useo f them | 03:37 |
| GAN900 | Right tool for the job | 03:37 |
| microlith | openmoko keeps shifting too much to stabilize | 03:37 |
| luke-jr | I'd get a Freerunner if the price were right :P | 03:39 |
| luke-jr | like $80 or so IMO | 03:39 |
| LjL | for the price i can get it at, i think the N810 should at least be a nice ebook reader (and probably a decent GPS navigator, to have fun with by installing navit at least) | 03:39 |
| LjL | luke-jr: i just looked up Freerunner and 1973 on ebay, but there simply aren't any being sold. and that price, new... well, i guess it's not happening ;) | 03:40 |
| luke-jr | LjL: I don't need new | 03:40 |
| luke-jr | LjL: forget GPS on N810 | 03:41 |
| luke-jr | it never worked | 03:41 |
| LjL | oh? | 03:41 |
| luke-jr | * | 03:41 |
| luke-jr | LjL: GPS is the other big blob on N810, and it was too buggy to be relied on | 03:41 |
| luke-jr | and the map software is crap | 03:41 |
| LjL | that's a shame :( | 03:41 |
| LjL | well the map software can be replaced... if the blob provides a standard interface... | 03:41 |
| luke-jr | N900 eventually gets a fix and has Ovi Maps | 03:41 |
| luke-jr | yeah | 03:41 |
| luke-jr | blob provides NMEA | 03:41 |
| luke-jr | but the blob doesn't work under any recent kernels | 03:42 |
| luke-jr | good luck writing decent map software tho :) | 03:42 |
| luke-jr | the free software selection is unfortunately terrible | 03:42 |
| LjL | luke-jr: by the way, if you're in the US maybe http://cgi.ebay.it/Openmoko-Neo-FreeRunner-GSM-Phone-850-1800-1900-/330449716818? (the shipping price is absurdly high for here, but perhaps it's lower for the US) | 03:42 |
| LjL | luke-jr: well, i have some hope in navit, and i'm willing to help partecipate in its development if i can | 03:42 |
| LjL | luke-jr: i actually already have a TomTom One, so it's not like GPS is vital for me, but i'd really like a good free navigator | 03:43 |
| luke-jr | LjL: that's about $75 here | 03:44 |
| LjL | ugh | 03:45 |
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| LjL | i guess it's just one of those obnoxious seller who have a very high shipping price just so they can have a lower selling price to show up higher in the list then ;( | 03:45 |
| luke-jr | LjL: no, I mean total :P | 03:45 |
| LjL | luke-jr: oh. well, it's $5 less than what you wanted! :D | 03:46 |
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| luke-jr | LjL: yeah, I wish I had more time to consider it | 03:47 |
| luke-jr | need to discern whether I can get usable service for it | 03:47 |
| luke-jr | <.< | 03:47 |
| LjL | luke-jr: can always resell it to me if you have saner shipping :P (actually i have no idea whether it's even GSM and would work for here, either) | 03:48 |
| luke-jr | it is GSM | 03:49 |
| luke-jr | that's why finding service is near impossible here | 03:49 |
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| luke-jr | hrmm | 03:51 |
| luke-jr | well, I got a busybox shell | 03:51 |
| luke-jr | but Fn doesn't work XD | 03:51 |
| luke-jr | so can't type / to mount things | 03:52 |
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| LjL | goodnight | 03:53 |
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| b-man | luke-jr: ctrl+i won't work? | 03:55 |
| luke-jr | b-man: NICE FIND | 03:57 |
| luke-jr | but not for digits :( | 03:57 |
| b-man | hmm :( | 03:57 |
| luke-jr | and dropbear segfaults.. | 03:58 |
| b-man | i think the n900 really needs a proper console keymap | 03:58 |
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| wtfuhhh | thanks for banning my other name | 04:09 |
| wtfuhhh | anyway, how do you recover wireless keys you once entered | 04:10 |
| luke-jr | you don't. | 04:11 |
| wtfuhhh | i can do it on linux usuallly | 04:12 |
| wtfuhhh | how on maemo? | 04:12 |
| wtfuhhh | meaning, im connected to a wifi network and i dont remember the password | 04:12 |
| luke-jr | sucks to be you | 04:13 |
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| wtfuhhh | well i got it | 04:13 |
| wtfuhhh | what crawled up your ass? | 04:14 |
| wtfuhhh | I know it can be done, if you don't know, then just say so | 04:14 |
| luke-jr | :) | 04:15 |
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| * peb is gone. Gone since Tue Jul 13 09:26:00 2010 | 04:27 | |
| luke-jr | peb: that's asking for a ban | 04:27 |
| luke-jr | fy | 04:27 |
| luke-jr | i | 04:27 |
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| luke-jr | yay | 04:38 |
| luke-jr | fixed Maemo | 04:39 |
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| ds3 | how did you fix it? | 04:47 |
| luke-jr | ds3: I managed to cross-compile a kernel+busybox with init script that got me into my Gentoo partition | 04:50 |
| luke-jr | from there I reversed my changes to Maemo | 04:50 |
| luke-jr | now I'm back to my original problem: | 04:50 |
| luke-jr | how to log all boot output | 04:50 |
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| ham5 | dmesg? | 04:55 |
| luke-jr | ham5: dmesg is easy to log | 04:56 |
| luke-jr | the hard part is Maemo's bootscripts | 04:56 |
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| luke-jr | Maemo4 I could just do exec >/log 2>&1 | 04:56 |
| luke-jr | that isn't working in 5 | 04:56 |
| ham5 | easy to log? | 04:57 |
| luke-jr | yeah | 04:57 |
| luke-jr | dmesg > file | 04:57 |
| ds3 | expunge upstart | 04:58 |
| luke-jr | upstart >:O | 04:58 |
| ptl | upstart rules! | 04:59 |
| luke-jr | upstart is lame crap that people only use because Ubuntu made it | 05:00 |
| ptl | it's as good for system initialization as pulseaudio is for sound | 05:00 |
| luke-jr | lol | 05:00 |
| luke-jr | good one | 05:00 |
| ptl | no, really | 05:00 |
| ptl | I like both | 05:00 |
| luke-jr | ouch | 05:00 |
| b-man | lol | 05:00 |
| ptl | :) | 05:00 |
| b-man | i guess it comes down to preference and how you use the system | 05:00 |
| luke-jr | not really | 05:01 |
| luke-jr | upstart is just "not invented here" of OpenRC and such | 05:01 |
| b-man | upstart seems a bit lazy lol | 05:01 |
| ham5 | yea why dev from init | 05:02 |
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| b-man | hmm | 05:07 |
| b-man | maemo's fuser seems to be useless : | 05:07 |
| b-man | *:\ | 05:07 |
| luke-jr | b-man: that would explain a lot | 05:08 |
| b-man | fuser -m /mnt/mmc1p2 -k doesn't seem to have any effect | 05:09 |
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| b-man | it worked in maemo4 | 05:09 |
| ptl | What about lsof? | 05:12 |
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| luke-jr | lsof doesn't have -m or -k | 05:15 |
| luke-jr | -m checks for anything using a mount point | 05:15 |
| luke-jr | -k kills it :D | 05:15 |
| MohammadAG51 | rofl | 05:15 |
| MohammadAG51 | i'd use umount -l :P | 05:16 |
| luke-jr | basically, "LET ME UNMOUNT THIS PATH YOU **#&" | 05:16 |
| b-man | lol | 05:16 |
| luke-jr | MohammadAG51: that maakes the problem worse | 05:16 |
| MohammadAG51 | luke-jr, muhahahaha | 05:16 |
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| Termana | Tip to all - don't play with /etc/sudoers without a backup :P | 05:21 |
| luke-jr | Termana: tip to sane - always use visudo | 05:21 |
| MohammadAG51 | never use visudo | 05:22 |
| MohammadAG51 | on maemo | 05:22 |
| Termana | yes well, I didn't think sudo would completely stop working if I got the config accidentally wrong | 05:22 |
| Termana | Now I have to reflash :P | 05:22 |
| b-man | it may lol | 05:22 |
| MohammadAG51 | or use ssh | 05:22 |
| luke-jr | Termana: why? | 05:23 |
| luke-jr | ssh to root | 05:23 |
| Termana | MohammadAG51, didn't install SSH on my n810 :P I will after the reflash though | 05:23 |
| luke-jr | MohammadAG51: visudo works for me | 05:23 |
| MohammadAG51 | luke-jr, http://wiki.maemo.org/Root_access#A_note_on_sudo | 05:24 |
| MohammadAG51 | In maemo sudoers is regenerated periodically from config snippets in /etc/sudoers.d/, using visudo can cause the slow death of your system as your edit gets pushed further down /etc/sudoers | 05:25 |
| luke-jr | lame | 05:28 |
| MohammadAG51 | indeed | 05:30 |
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| luke-jr | why didn't Nokia modify visudo to edit a sudoers.d file and run update? | 05:31 |
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| luke-jr | or better yet, fix their lame scripts to do the Right Thing(TM) | 05:31 |
| MohammadAG51 | cause BAD THINGS HAPPEN(TM) | 05:32 |
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| luke-jr | hum | 05:33 |
| luke-jr | looks liek my problems all along were needing to re-run depmod -a on the Maemo side | 05:34 |
| Stskeeps | luke-jr: i just woke up to say ha!-ha | 05:36 |
| Termana | lol | 05:37 |
| luke-jr | Stskeeps: ? | 05:37 |
| Stskeeps | ;) | 05:37 |
| * Stskeeps goes back to sleep | 05:37 | |
| * luke-jr doesn't get it | 05:37 | |
| * luke-jr calls Stskeeps's wife and wakes her up >:D | 05:37 | |
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| MohammadAG51 | :( qole was actually here | 06:09 |
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| Macer | hm | 07:11 |
| Macer | hi | 07:11 |
| Ken-Young | Hi | 07:11 |
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| mortini | ohai | 07:16 |
| mortini | mrducks. | 07:16 |
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| Macer | blah | 07:38 |
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| Stskeeps | http://www.cuddletech.com/blog/pivot/entry.php?id=1134 - why does this kinda remind me of how maemo.org relations with nokia are? | 07:58 |
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| Arkenoi | new DtG still sucks :-( (yet better than free replacements) | 08:00 |
| arachnist | what's "DtG"? | 08:01 |
| Arkenoi | documents to go | 08:03 |
| RST38h | Stskeeps: It is normal. A corporation does not care, it does not have to. | 08:05 |
| RST38h | Stskeeps: Not that it completely ignores these groups, but they are just below mailroom staffing at its radar. | 08:05 |
| Stskeeps | well, i'm also talking about the use of communities to claim open development while in fact, 99% is being done by the company itself behind closed doors ;) | 08:05 |
| Stskeeps | and that maemo.org had no control, whatsoever, over the product :P | 08:06 |
| RST38h | Stskeeps: You do not even need a community for that. Do you know, for example, that the Flash Player is open source? | 08:06 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: i think i knew that, it's just difficult to get to :P | 08:06 |
| RST38h | Stskeeps: s/difficult/impossible | 08:07 |
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| RST38h | Stskeeps: but still "open source" :) | 08:07 |
| Stskeeps | kinda like LiMo.. | 08:07 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 08:07 |
| Stskeeps | "pay several millions to make your eyes bleed" | 08:07 |
| RST38h | But at least nobody needs LiMo | 08:07 |
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| arachnist | RST38h: flash player is opensource? WTF!? | 08:08 |
| RST38h | arachnist: Adobe claimed at some point that it was open source and everybody could file a form to request access to it | 08:08 |
| RST38h | arachnist: Apparently, they ignored these applications though | 08:09 |
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| arachnist | why does that not surprise me? | 08:09 |
| Arkenoi | why did they? is it infected with GPL "virus"? | 08:10 |
| RST38h | No idea. Some junior enema in the PR department decided that it would be "beneficial" | 08:11 |
| RST38h | Stskeeps: On the other hand, I do not see much progress even on the parts of maemo5 that have been open sourced | 08:12 |
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| RST38h | Stskeeps: The "progress" in my view would be a third party repository where you could get bugfixed versions of those open sourced packages | 08:12 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: like, cooperation and contributions back? :P | 08:12 |
| RST38h | Stskeeps: So far, I only saw really minor fixes to Modest | 08:12 |
| RST38h | Stskeeps: Contributions back would be the best | 08:13 |
| Stskeeps | mm | 08:13 |
| Stskeeps | maemo.org is a developer community, not a systems community | 08:13 |
| RST38h | Stskeeps: But even a "fuck the corpses" movement with its own repo would do | 08:13 |
| Stskeeps | at least with meego it's supposed to be a system community | 08:13 |
| RST38h | Stskeeps: ...which effectively shrinks the size of Meego community to nil. | 08:13 |
| RST38h | Stskeeps: Another winning decision from our corporate overlords :) | 08:14 |
| Stskeeps | we'll see | 08:14 |
| RST38h | Stskeeps: But, returning to Maemo, a lot of these packages are not system | 08:14 |
| RST38h | Stskeeps: Modest is not a system package. Neither is Hildon Desktop, to be frank | 08:14 |
| Stskeeps | they're considered as such though | 08:15 |
| RST38h | Stskeeps: XTerm is not a system package | 08:15 |
| slonopotamus | is it possible to do adhoc wifi using n900 + n800? :) | 08:15 |
| RST38h | Stskeeps: They are manufacturer's packages, but not really system. | 08:15 |
| Stskeeps | mm | 08:15 |
| * Stskeeps goes to get another birthday morning cup of coffee | 08:15 | |
| arachnist | Stskeeps: happy birthday | 08:16 |
| RST38h | Stskeeps: BTW, how many third party system developer contribute to Meego right now? | 08:16 |
| slonopotamus | Stskeeps: happy morning! | 08:16 |
| * ljp drinks another unbirthday afternoon cup of coffee | 08:16 | |
| RST38h | happy birthday mourning indeed | 08:16 |
| * arachnist drinks another bottle of cherry coke | 08:16 | |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: technically novell counts ;) but the ability is there for anyone to contribute now | 08:16 |
| Stskeeps | participation is different though | 08:17 |
| RST38h | Stskeeps: Ability != Fact | 08:17 |
| * slonopotamus tries to put bits for open initfs for n8x0 together | 08:17 | |
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| Stskeeps | slonopotamus: we're running into a weird issue with fb_text2screen on gcc4.5, want a log? | 08:17 |
| RST38h | Stskeeps: Or, using Intel's language, the progress has to be judged by actual results, not by the possibilities of results | 08:18 |
| slonopotamus | Stskeeps: wow. you're actually using it? :) | 08:18 |
| Arkenoi | RST38h, "So i have the right to.." "Yes, you do have" "..and I can.." "No, you cannot" (c) | 08:18 |
| slonopotamus | Stskeeps: yep, i only have 4.4 here yet | 08:18 |
| Stskeeps | slonopotamus: http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/builds/trunk/daily/core/repos/armv7l/packages/armv7l/fb_text2screen-0.1.1-3.3.armv7l.rpm | 08:18 |
| slonopotamus | Stskeeps: link looks like rpm, not log :) | 08:19 |
| Stskeeps | slonopotamus: yeah, i just wanted to show you where it's used | 08:19 |
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| slonopotamus | hehe | 08:19 |
| slonopotamus | so... i happen to be a contributor to meego? :D | 08:20 |
| Stskeeps | seems so | 08:20 |
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| slonopotamus | just lol :) | 08:20 |
| Stskeeps | ok, it might actually be a bug in our patches for it, hm | 08:20 |
| slonopotamus | Stskeeps: now, log | 08:20 |
| RST38h | Arkenoi: Actually, "Catch 22" is almost a required reading to understand how world works ;) | 08:20 |
| RST38h | Arkenoi: corporate world, that is ;) | 08:20 |
| slonopotamus | Stskeeps: patches? | 08:20 |
| arachnist | hm | 08:20 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, it's most definite our fault :) | 08:22 |
| Stskeeps | http://pastebin.com/bmGhHxSW is our patch | 08:22 |
| slonopotamus | Stskeeps: this? http://meego.gitorious.org/meego-device-adaptation/n900_fb_text2screen/blobs/master/fb_text2screen-0.1.1-meego-kernel-compat.patch | 08:23 |
| Stskeeps | ah, yes | 08:23 |
| Macer | hm | 08:23 |
| Macer | there is no cut/paste in the email app? | 08:23 |
| Macer | or copy? | 08:23 |
| Stskeeps | Macer: because the designers were on crack, it seems | 08:23 |
| slonopotamus | hmm | 08:23 |
| Macer | or am i missing something? | 08:23 |
| Macer | :) | 08:23 |
| slonopotamus | Stskeeps: you don't want to edit CMakeFile that way | 08:23 |
| slonopotamus | Stskeeps: it was made flexible enough already | 08:24 |
| Stskeeps | mm? | 08:24 |
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| Macer | like i have to spell nokia out with my finger then triple tap and do circles? | 08:24 |
| slonopotamus | Stskeeps: you just pass vars with -D to ccmake | 08:24 |
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| Macer | Stskeeps: just make meego good | 08:24 |
| Macer | ;) | 08:24 |
| Macer | is meego going to have all the gnu userland stuff like maemo? | 08:25 |
| timeless_mbp | Macer: to cast this spell, hold SHIFT | 08:25 |
| timeless_mbp | then tap and select the text you wish to copy | 08:25 |
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| timeless_mbp | (requires pr1.2) | 08:25 |
| Macer | it isnt going to get androidized and have the linux end do nothing but the hcl is it? | 08:25 |
| slonopotamus | Stskeeps: okay? :) | 08:26 |
| Macer | timeless_mbp: ah ok thanks | 08:26 |
| luke-jr | Stskeeps: wtf are you doing with 4.5? XD | 08:26 |
| timeless_mbp | Macer: the copy spell is of course performed by using CTRL+c :) | 08:26 |
| Macer | the meego vids look good | 08:26 |
| Stskeeps | slonopotamus: will take to heart, noting down :) | 08:26 |
| Macer | like it isnt going to suck :) | 08:26 |
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| Ken-Young | askiramchi | 08:27 |
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| Macer | and it does portrait mode! wooo! | 08:27 |
| * RST38h would wait for the first device | 08:27 | |
| Macer | RST38h: i want it on my n900 =) | 08:27 |
| timeless_mbp | ? | 08:27 |
| Macer | there is a closed nokia image | 08:27 |
| Macer | which is good :) | 08:28 |
| RST38h | sure? | 08:28 |
| Stskeeps | actually not one with handset ux | 08:28 |
| Stskeeps | (yet) | 08:28 |
| Stskeeps | until we fix the f*king wlan issue | 08:28 |
| Macer | heh | 08:28 |
| Stskeeps | ~curse connman | 08:28 |
| infobot | May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, connman ! | 08:28 |
| Macer | ask nokia for closed bins | 08:28 |
| Macer | :) | 08:28 |
| Stskeeps | nokia's involved | 08:28 |
| RST38h | Stskeeps: what about cellmo and the battery management? | 08:29 |
| Stskeeps | as well as paying for a team to get meego on n900 | 08:29 |
| slonopotamus | Stskeeps: and maybe i should do some platform checks for omapfb.h | 08:29 |
| Macer | yeah. i figured since they have the closed image on the meego site | 08:29 |
| Macer | that is promising | 08:29 |
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| Macer | no offense.. but i could care less if drivers are open or not heh | 08:29 |
| Macer | us ignorant end users jusrt want it to work :) | 08:29 |
| Macer | wow they are | 08:30 |
| Macer | go nokia! my faith is restored | 08:30 |
| slonopotamus | Stskeeps: so... how you managed to break it? :) wrong header? | 08:30 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: bme works now, cellmo access is slowly getting there (kernel patches upstreamed, ofono plugin, speech path, pulseaudio plugins, telepathy-ring) | 08:30 |
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| Stskeeps | slonopotamus: think the kernel sources moved | 08:30 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: all of the latter being open source | 08:30 |
| slonopotamus | Stskeeps: btw, what's n900_libdsme and why its repo is empty? | 08:31 |
| Macer | Stskeeps: if you turn meego into something it will be way more worthwhile than maemo ;) | 08:31 |
| Stskeeps | slonopotamus: libdsme got included into trunk in general so someone else took it over, i'll probably delete repo eventually | 08:31 |
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| slonopotamus | Stskeeps: its something from dsme opensourced code? | 08:32 |
| Stskeeps | slonopotamus: yes, both are open sourced components | 08:32 |
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| luke-jr | Stskeeps: you're *sure* Maemo5 doesn't require DSP? | 08:34 |
| Macer | how is ti or nokia handling the gles support Stskeeps ? | 08:35 |
| Macer | are they being anal again like the n8x0? | 08:35 |
| Stskeeps | Macer: closed blob, provided in a repository accessible with a n900 IMEI | 08:35 |
| Macer | awesome | 08:35 |
| RST38h | Stskeeps: Yahoo! | 08:35 |
| Macer | so it is just a driver download/install? | 08:35 |
| Stskeeps | Macer: or grab our pre-made image, or the .ks to make one | 08:36 |
| * RST38h starts seriously considering porting stuff to Meego | 08:36 | |
| Macer | that... is... awesome :) | 08:36 |
| Stskeeps | yahoo to which part? :P | 08:36 |
| RST38h | Stskeeps: to bme and cellmo getting there | 08:36 |
| luke-jr | Stskeeps: how much space would I need to partition for MeeGo? :p | 08:36 |
| Macer | RST38h: do it ;) it wont suck | 08:36 |
| Stskeeps | ah, bme will still be closed, but cellmo stuff is opening (until DocScrutinizer and co decides to package up theirs and subject it to QA) | 08:37 |
| Stskeeps | bme will be closed but downloadable by that repo i mentioned before | 08:37 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 08:37 |
| Macer | Stskeeps: im sold. glad nokia isnt trying to abandon the n900 | 08:38 |
| Macer | time to jump onto the meego bandwagon and cheerlead | 08:38 |
| ljp | please, no skirts or ponpoms | 08:38 |
| Macer | i was bitter when i thought my n900 was going to find a place in a drawer next to my n810 | 08:39 |
| asj | I want gold speedos | 08:39 |
| Macer | collecting dust | 08:39 |
| Macer | asj: with the meego cartoon looking mascot things on the front? | 08:39 |
| Macer | :) | 08:39 |
| Macer | and a pic of an n900 on the ass? | 08:39 |
| asj | Macer: that was for ljp, inside joke | 08:40 |
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| Macer | what happens in vegas... | 08:40 |
| asj | thank god stays there | 08:40 |
| Macer | haha | 08:40 |
| * slonopotamus carries both n800 and n900 with him. n800 is much superior for development due to longer battery life | 08:40 | |
| Macer | you think it lasts that much longer? | 08:41 |
| slonopotamus | (and my 8gb sd card is too big to fit n900 :) | 08:41 |
| Stskeeps | it has different use cases | 08:41 |
| Macer | n900 can hold its own batterywise | 08:41 |
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| ljp | you dont want to know all the devices on my shelves that are gathering dust | 08:41 |
| luke-jr | Stskeeps: minor 'bug' in Maemo that would be handy fixed... dnsmasq caches lookups across networks ;) | 08:41 |
| slonopotamus | Macer: i know that. | 08:41 |
| Stskeeps | luke-jr: i think we have a whole new set of bugs with connman | 08:41 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 08:41 |
| luke-jr | wait, M5 didn't have connman? | 08:42 |
| Macer | slonopotamus: ;) | 08:42 |
| Stskeeps | no, it has icd2 | 08:42 |
| Stskeeps | which at the moment, i miss | 08:42 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 08:42 |
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| timeless_mbp | icd2 has bugs, but i think most of the bugs it has are missing features | 08:45 |
| Stskeeps | at least it works | 08:45 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 08:45 |
| timeless_mbp | which are also missing from the competition | 08:46 |
| luke-jr | [00:34:49] <luke-jr> Stskeeps: you're *sure* Maemo5 doesn't require DSP? | 08:46 |
| Stskeeps | luke-jr: i'm not sure if a failed dsp startup will block statrtup | 08:46 |
| Stskeeps | just use the same toolchain 1.2 was built with | 08:46 |
| RST38h | All right. Time to go. | 08:46 |
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| luke-jr | Stskeeps: I don't have that | 08:47 |
| luke-jr | Stskeeps: I'm asking because after hackishly fixing those compile errors, I managed to boot it... | 08:47 |
| slonopotamus | Stskeeps: #include <linux/omapfb.h> | 08:47 |
| slonopotamus | Stskeeps: is it still in kernel sources or now in /usr/include? | 08:47 |
| luke-jr | Stskeeps: so wondering if that's related, or if my config is odd | 08:47 |
| Stskeeps | slonopotamus: good question | 08:48 |
| luke-jr | slonopotamus: /usr/include/linux comes from kernel sources | 08:48 |
| luke-jr | Stskeeps: btw, is there a reason NITs scan every X minutes, rather than just sitting in monitor mode? :p | 08:49 |
| Stskeeps | luke-jr: power saving? | 08:49 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 08:49 |
| luke-jr | i c | 08:49 |
| luke-jr | good reason I guess | 08:50 |
| slonopotamus | luke-jr: not all kernel headers are accessible via /usr/include/linux | 08:50 |
| slonopotamus | Stskeeps: then you don't need that crap with LINUX_SRC_DIR at all | 08:50 |
| slonopotamus | Stskeeps: now figure out how i conditionally handle that :) | 08:50 |
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| Myrtti | oh crap. | 08:56 |
| Myrtti | remember when I complained about adobe's flash last night? I installed gnash instead of it in hope it would be better? | 08:57 |
| Stskeeps | how could you think that was better? :P | 08:57 |
| Myrtti | Stskeeps: 64-bit build of gnash might put less stress on CPU than running the 32-bit through nspluginwrapper... | 08:57 |
| Myrtti | well. | 08:57 |
| Myrtti | it didn't. | 08:57 |
| Myrtti | loads were >23.4 | 08:58 |
| Myrtti | surprisingly I managed to kill my browser before the whole computer went down | 08:58 |
| Myrtti | ~curse Adobe Flash | 08:59 |
| infobot | May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, Adobe Flash ! | 08:59 |
| Myrtti | as you were... | 09:00 |
| luke-jr | Myrtti: I just don't use Flash :) | 09:00 |
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| Macer | have to take my son for a blood test friday | 09:04 |
| Macer | he handled his shots a couple weeks ago like a champ | 09:05 |
| Macer | but a blood test is a long dragged out one | 09:05 |
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| crashanddie | lcuk: I think I has a job! | 09:25 |
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| forke | close | 09:26 |
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| DocScrutinizer | moo | 09:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | got another 'nice' new problem on PR1.2: transitions freeze halfway. | 09:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | weird thing is I never encountered this until I inserted a working SIM yesterday | 09:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ok, I also installed 2 or 3 new apps | 09:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer | but those were not started for all I can tell (though I'm not sure about that camera app) | 09:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | 8830 seems actually fixable with the easter egg (even though I had to create that file, it didn't exist on my device) | 09:35 |
| crashanddie | MohammadAG51: did you notice that just as the neopwn website was going to demo the new backtrack version, they're down? | 09:35 |
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| crashanddie | demo and release,that is | 09:35 |
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| DocScrutinizer | crashanddie: they're coming to get you too :-P | 09:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | crashanddie: hear the helis approaching | 09:37 |
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| DocScrutinizer | h-e-n project bought out all their devels X-P | 09:39 |
| * Arkenoi does not like upstream bugs submit policy at all. It would be much more reasonable to keep them cloned at bmo and to have package maintaners to deal with the upstream. Otherwise it is too long cycle, too messy to diagnose and forces the bug reporter to create accounts in all upstream trackers. | 09:39 | |
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| DocScrutinizer | duh, the last part really sounds insane | 09:40 |
| Arkenoi | I reported a bug in ICQ conversations plugin and it was closed with notice i should report it to freedesktop bugzilla | 09:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | wankers | 09:41 |
| Arkenoi | and even if i do and it gets fixed, it takes almost forever to get updated version back downstream | 09:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep | 09:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | and odds are freedesktop sends you back to the maintainer of your particular version anyway, with a 'can't duplicate' | 09:42 |
| Arkenoi | yep | 09:42 |
| timeless_mbp | Arkenoi: which bmo is this? | 09:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | not user needs account on all upstream trackers, but Mr Upstream is usually supposed to have an eye and account on all maintainers' trackers. And maintainers' most noble duty is to inform original author/upstream about bugs that hit their local tracker | 09:46 |
| Arkenoi | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10865 | 09:47 |
| povbot | Bug 10865: ICQ advanced settings are being spontaneously reset | 09:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | hell, usually a maintainer is even supposed to send *patches* upstream, not users ;-P | 09:48 |
| D-Iivil_Work | Good morning folks. | 09:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | moo | 09:49 |
| luke-jr | PR1.2's modules dir totals 3.3 MB | 09:49 |
| luke-jr | yet when I build the same code+config, I get 42.4 MB | 09:49 |
| timeless_mbp | in this case, the maintainer is not living in this bug tracker | 09:49 |
| luke-jr | wtf :? | 09:49 |
| D-Iivil_Work | Does someone know if there's some more "polite" way to reload hildon-home than just doing killall hildon-home? | 09:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | strip * | 09:49 |
| luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: strip doesn't understand .ko | 09:49 |
| D-Iivil_Work | I know it's somehow possible because the built-in theme changing does that. I just don't know how to trigger it from terminal. | 09:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer | mhm, so there's a make/compiler/linker option to do that for you, isn't there? | 09:50 |
| luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: as I said, I'm using the Nokia-provided config | 09:50 |
| Macer | luke-jr: working on meego stuff? | 09:50 |
| luke-jr | no | 09:51 |
| Macer | fail | 09:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: so file a bug against that config. It's evidently not the original one | 09:51 |
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| luke-jr | Macer: Gentoo ofc | 09:51 |
| Macer | mega fail | 09:51 |
| Macer | hehehe | 09:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~gentoo luke-jr | 09:52 |
| * infobot recompiles luke-jr again | 09:52 | |
| Macer | make meetoo :_P | 09:52 |
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| crashanddie | anyone familiar with big trail bikes? I'm looking for info regarding 1000cc+ trails that could be used to drive around Europe (France, Spain, Portugal, ferry up to Norway, Sweden, then back) and later, to India. I'm quite interested in the Honda Varadero 1000, or the BMW R 1200 GS Adventure. | 09:55 |
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| crashanddie | The BMW has a quite a bit more oomph, and a bigger fuel capacity, but also nearly 5 grand more expensive | 09:58 |
| luke-jr | doh | 09:58 |
| luke-jr | of course amd64 strip won't work on arm .ko | 09:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmmm, maybe just a lil bitsy OT | 09:58 |
| crashanddie | DocScrutinizer: yeah yeah, but hey | 09:59 |
| crashanddie | DocScrutinizer: there's no ##motorbikes channel :) | 09:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | just saying | 09:59 |
| luke-jr | crashanddie: no? | 09:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | duh, you'd guess there should be about 50 | 09:59 |
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| crashanddie | actually, there's only one with "bikes" in the topic, and it's spanish push bikers | 10:01 |
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| tybollt | "push bikers"? | 10:02 |
| crashanddie | tybollt: bicyles | 10:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep, 5 chan with bike in topic or name | 10:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | maybe you need another network | 10:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer | crashanddie: google is your friend :-D http://www.google.de/search?q=IRC+channel+motorbikes&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8 | 10:05 |
| crashanddie | meh | 10:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://www.bestbeginnermotorcycles.com/forum/forum-topic/1144/good-irc-channel-motorcycle-owners | 10:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | first hit | 10:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | >>On the EFnet IRC channel, join the channel #motorcycles. It's been run by the same group of guys for over 10 years now and they know their ...<< | 10:07 |
| tybollt | crashanddie: text me if you're in Stockholm. Beers all around. | 10:07 |
| crashanddie | tybollt: will do ;) | 10:07 |
| luke-jr | how about pizza | 10:07 |
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| RST38h | well...moo, all | 10:11 |
| frals | mornin o/ | 10:12 |
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| RST38h | heya ab | 10:12 |
| ab | hi | 10:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | coffe... | 10:13 |
| jacekowski | microlith: ? | 10:17 |
| kerio | what's bug 8830? | 10:17 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8830 Dialer does not accept MMI codes (*#) from 3GPP TS 22.030 | 10:17 |
| kerio | and what's the easter egg? | 10:17 |
| SwedeMike | wasn't that USSD fixed in PR1.2 ? | 10:18 |
| SwedeMike | I can do *# stuff since 1.2 upgrade anyway. | 10:18 |
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| Stskeeps | morning andre__ | 10:19 |
| andre__ | heja | 10:19 |
| kerio | lol phone | 10:19 |
| kerio | somebody actively uses the n900 as a phone eh | 10:19 |
| SwedeMike | kerio: yes :P | 10:20 |
| Stskeeps | MeeGo handset UX on Nokia N810 pictures: http://forum.meego.com/showpost.php?p=5603&postcount=49 | 10:20 |
| Stskeeps | (+ video) | 10:21 |
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| psycho_oreos | what's wrong with using n900 as a phone? | 10:21 |
| kerio | phones are not supposed to run openoffice! | 10:22 |
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| kerio | :P | 10:22 |
| tybollt | kerio: and why the hell not | 10:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | SwedeMike: you instelled the "easter egg"? | 10:22 |
| tybollt | Stskeeps: could you make the pic any more blurry, kthxplz? | 10:22 |
| SwedeMike | DocScrutinizer: no, I just spent some time reading thru it a bit more. I don't need any of the functions (now that USSD is implemented) so I'm not going to change anything. | 10:23 |
| kerio | tybollt: phone vs tablet | 10:23 |
| kerio | it's a tablet! | 10:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | SwedeMike: USSD for you is *1xx# ? | 10:23 |
| * tybollt not sure why but those silly little meego toons just give me the heebie jeebies... | 10:23 | |
| psycho_oreos | smart phones these days can almost run anything.. sure it seems a little odd holding onto n900 and using it as a phone when you're not used to touch screen and linux on phone but after awhile it'll wear in :P | 10:23 |
| kerio | what's ussd? | 10:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer | or also things like *#67# ? | 10:24 |
| psycho_oreos | tool to check charges from your phone service provider, aka operator | 10:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Unstructured Supplementary Service Data | 10:26 |
| SwedeMike | DocScrutinizer: *x*y# for loading prepaid cards for instance. | 10:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | kerio: a way to send arbitrary commands to your service provider, without using special proprietary menus or apps | 10:27 |
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| kerio | oh, *xx# codes | 10:28 |
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| DocScrutinizer | SwedeMike: mhm. strange thing is the 2digit codes were reported not to work by several people, like MohammadAG51. And didn't work when I tested first time on PR1.2 yesterday. (like e.g. *#62#). But then after playing with "easter egg" as of 8033#c8, it seems to work now. Need to check more thoroughly today | 10:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer | kerio: nah, it's a little bit more complex, though basically you're right | 10:31 |
| SwedeMike | DocScrutinizer: *x*y# worked for me for PR1.2 out of the box anyway. | 10:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer | for x=3 digits yes | 10:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | for x=2digits nope | 10:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | maybe even for 100<=x<=199 | 10:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer | as I think not even *002# worked | 10:32 |
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| jacekowski | that's amazing how much you can fuck somethin gup | 10:33 |
| jacekowski | something up* | 10:33 |
| kerio | heh | 10:34 |
| kerio | without even trying! | 10:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | where 100<=x<=199 seems to be a good definition of USSD, as compared to more generic Service Codes | 10:35 |
| D-Iivil_Work | X-Fade, ping ping | 10:36 |
| X-Fade | D-Iivil_Work: here | 10:36 |
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| kerio | DocScrutinizer: what's wrong with arbitrary codes, i wonder? | 10:37 |
| D-Iivil_Work | X-Fade, I'm having problems uploading to extras-devel. I get this error: https://garage.maemo.org/pipermail/extras-cauldron-builds/2010-July/025097.html | 10:37 |
| zash | isn't it anything that starts with * and maybe # | 10:37 |
| D-Iivil_Work | X-Fade, I didn't get size mismatch error after uploading the .dsc & .tar -file. It offered me the "move to queue" normally. | 10:37 |
| X-Fade | D-Iivil_Work: Did you try again? | 10:37 |
| D-Iivil_Work | X-Fade, just trying. | 10:38 |
| kerio | zash: whatever it is, i say just send it to the cellmo and let *him* figure it out | 10:38 |
| X-Fade | This usually happens when uploading takes a longer time and your file date is some time in the past. | 10:38 |
| jacekowski | X-Fade: there is one more thing that would be usefull with buildme | 10:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | kerio: I guess Nokia decided to "not support" them (at least officially) as they may conflict with the GUI means to configure such things like call forwarding | 10:38 |
| D-Iivil_Work | X-Fade, okay, that might explain it. I uploaded it via 2G -connection and the uploading took like 40 mins... | 10:38 |
| jacekowski | X-Fade: ability to log/displays errors from sbdmock | 10:38 |
| jacekowski | X-Fade: as i had sbdmock failing while running buildme from cron | 10:39 |
| jacekowski | X-Fade: and it was failing because missing $USER | 10:39 |
| X-Fade | jacekowski: You can run buildme in debug mode. | 10:39 |
| D-Iivil_Work | X-Fade, now it went ok. So it was propably because of slow uploading? | 10:39 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer: my ass! | 10:40 |
| X-Fade | D-Iivil_Work: Yes, the problem is that scp touches the file to your file date and only updates it to the new date once upload is done. | 10:40 |
| kerio | what was that program that records the phone calls? | 10:40 |
| X-Fade | D-Iivil_Work: Uploading through the assistant doesn't have that problem. | 10:40 |
| D-Iivil_Work | kerio, recaller | 10:40 |
| D-Iivil_Work | X-Fade, I did upload it through assistant. | 10:40 |
| D-Iivil_Work | X-Fade, is there another way also? :D | 10:41 |
| X-Fade | D-Iivil_Work: Hmm that is weird. | 10:41 |
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| D-Iivil_Work | X-Fade, it also took like two hours before the builder gave the Rejected -error after pushing the "move to queue" -button. | 10:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | zash: http://www.arib.or.jp/IMT-2000/V730Jul09/5_Appendix/R99/22/22030-340.pdf | 10:41 |
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| jacekowski | X-Fade: debug mode was not helpful at all | 10:44 |
| zash | DocScrutinizer: "Input string is #-string" ... uhu? | 10:45 |
| jacekowski | what i done in the end was adding sbdmock itself to cron | 10:45 |
| jacekowski | and that gave me error message | 10:45 |
| zash | so it's a m/^.*#$/ then? | 10:46 |
| Macer | hm | 10:46 |
| jacekowski | X-Fade: that's not a problem that every on mine pulls lot of data from maemo.org repository? | 10:46 |
| Macer | gftp fixed yet? :) | 10:46 |
| jacekowski | every build* | 10:46 |
| Macer | jacekowski: how large is the repo? | 10:46 |
| X-Fade | jacekowski: You could setup a proxy to speed things up for you. | 10:46 |
| jacekowski | nah, it takes only couple seconds for me | 10:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer | zash: see >> 6.5.2 Structure of the MMI<< in pdf I linked above | 10:48 |
| jacekowski | [2010-07-13 22:54:15] | 10:48 |
| jacekowski | Unpacking rootstrap... | 10:48 |
| jacekowski | [2010-07-13 22:54:15] | 10:48 |
| jacekowski | [2010-07-13 22:56:44] cd /home/maemo/maemo-fremantle-armel-extras-devel/work/chromium-5.0.369.2 && dpkg-checkbuilddeps | 10:48 |
| jacekowski | hmm, lag again | 10:48 |
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| zash | DocScrutinizer: The procedure always starts with *, #, **, ## or *# and is finished by #. Each part within the procedure is separated by *. | 10:49 |
| zash | aha | 10:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer | exactly, was just about to quote exactly same line :-P | 10:49 |
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| zash | now make me a `get_prepaid_credits()` ;) | 10:53 |
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| luke-jr | zash: you forgot sudo | 10:56 |
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| zash | sudo !make | 10:56 |
| zash | \o/ | 10:56 |
| dragonlinux | :D | 10:57 |
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| Venemo | good morning everyone! | 10:58 |
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| dragonlinux | yo morning | 11:01 |
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| thomasvs | is there any way to get a normal 'diff' on the n900? | 11:04 |
| jacekowski | yeah | 11:04 |
| jacekowski | i think it's in tools repo | 11:04 |
| luke-jr | or you can just install Gentoo | 11:05 |
| luke-jr | :D | 11:05 |
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| haj | hm... shit... my N900 just made this weird sound, and shut off.... and now it can't start up again... | 11:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | haj: sounds like you should charge battery | 11:10 |
| haj | it was in the sun behind a window so it was very hot... i was sleeping so didn't give it a thought that the sun would hit it... :/ | 11:10 |
| haj | DocScrutinizer: it was in the charger... | 11:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | too bad | 11:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | should this actually be the first reported case where bme is acting reasonable? | 11:11 |
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| haj | hmm ... if it's connected with usb while turned off it shows the two drives... but it says "insert disc" when trying to browse them... | 11:12 |
| Venemo | haj: try to wait until it cools down, then try to turn it on again. | 11:12 |
| jacekowski | hmm, i'm wondering if it was thermal shutdown or low battery | 11:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | haj: take out battery, let device and battery cool down for 30 min. Then insert battery, and immediately plug in Nokia wallcharger. If yellow flashing ndicator comes up, then you might dare to boot | 11:13 |
| jacekowski | haj: *flashing* | 11:13 |
| jacekowski | haj: if it's steady yellow it's in emergency charge mode | 11:13 |
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| jacekowski | haj: and you have to wait untill it charges | 11:13 |
| luke-jr | night | 11:13 |
| haj | jacekowski: it has been charging on the computer all night... it's not out of power... | 11:14 |
| haj | but i'll let it cool for some time | 11:14 |
| jacekowski | haj: bme shouldn't charge battery when it's too hot | 11:15 |
| haj | while I eat some breakfast... :) | 11:15 |
| haj | jacekowski: it has not been in the sun all night.. I think only half an hour or something | 11:15 |
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| jacekowski | your battery might get pregnant after that | 11:19 |
| Shapeshifter | what was the url again for seing how many downloads a package has? | 11:19 |
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| Venemo | haj: that shouldn't have hurt it that much. | 11:26 |
| Venemo | haj: if you have warranty, you can have it replaced if it is dead. | 11:26 |
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| kerio | DocScrutinizer: do you think it's possible to reprogram the cellmo to use its cpu for something else? | 11:29 |
| Stskeeps | the stuff in cellmo is signed, so no | 11:29 |
| haj | okay, it feels all cool now... but i still can't browse the disks when connected via usb (phone off) .. I should be able to do that right? | 11:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | kerio: sure it's 'possible' but you won't succeed in the end. Too much obstacles | 11:29 |
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| kerio | haj: really? | 11:30 |
| kerio | :o | 11:30 |
| jacekowski | well, i probably can wipe keys | 11:30 |
| kerio | try booting it | 11:30 |
| jacekowski | and that should allow programming cellmo | 11:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | haj: being connected to a computer may not result in being charged, due to several different causes | 11:31 |
| haj | wohoo! it's booting | 11:31 |
| kerio | the main one the fact that the energy system in the n900 is somewhat fucked up | 11:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | main one Windows frequently powering down USB ports when going into suspend | 11:32 |
| Venemo | haj: glad to hear that. | 11:32 |
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| jacekowski | haj: buy a new battery | 11:34 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer: i can't charge my n900 with my mbp when it's suspended | 11:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | generally computers are really poor charger devices | 11:34 |
| kerio | it works for some time, then stops | 11:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | they are simply not designed to do that | 11:34 |
| haj | hah... okay so it was actually out of power | 11:35 |
| jacekowski | haj: if it got so hot that bme decided to shutdown it might explode/burn | 11:35 |
| haj | weird... :) | 11:35 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer: it charges my ipod fine | 11:35 |
| haj | jacekowski: i'm not going to buy a new battery everytime i forget the phone in the sun... :) | 11:35 |
| kerio | (strange, huh?) | 11:35 |
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| joga | the plain nokia charger adapter sometimes makes a funny noise | 11:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | kerio: if the attached gadget (N900 / iPod) decides to go into suspend, then the USB data back and forth is stalling, and that can result in all kinds of madness happening on host side | 11:36 |
| joga | wish I had some good microphone to look at it as a spectrogram :) | 11:36 |
| jacekowski | haj: your choice | 11:37 |
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| Venemo | joga: yeah, it makes an extremely annoying noise for me | 11:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | joga: doesn't matter | 11:37 |
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| jacekowski | haj: but you've been warned | 11:37 |
| joga | DocScrutinizer, probably not, but I'd like to see the patterns :) | 11:37 |
| Venemo | joga: I took it back to Nokia service, they replaced it. the new one emits even more annoying noise. | 11:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | joga: from a technical POV | 11:38 |
| joga | hehe | 11:38 |
| jacekowski | Venemo: something like 16kHz? | 11:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | haj: if your battery has cooled down and still is working, then probably all is ok. But LiIon cells easily get short andswell/vent/explode when heated up to >~80°C | 11:39 |
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| haj | jacekowski: thanks for the warning.. | 11:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, they MUST NOT explode :-D | 11:40 |
| jacekowski | MAY NOT* | 11:40 |
| Venemo | jacekowski: I didn't measure... but it is a very high noise | 11:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | MUST, as in cert needed for US and EU markets | 11:40 |
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| Venemo | jacekowski: I use my GF's Omnia II's charger | 11:41 |
| jacekowski | Venemo: that's working transformer | 11:41 |
| haj | now i'll ride to work.. annoyingly without listening to a podcast... ;) (or, i will, until the n900 runs out of power) | 11:41 |
| Venemo | jacekowski: that one doesn't emit any sound at all. | 11:41 |
| jacekowski | Venemo: there is no workaround for it | 11:41 |
| jacekowski | Venemo: nah, it does | 11:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | cert procedures comprise such things like piercing cell with a nail, and it mustn't catch fire | 11:41 |
| Venemo | jacekowski: also, the charger of my old N95 was very silent | 11:41 |
| jacekowski | Venemo: inside there is a transfomer supplied by 16kHz signal | 11:41 |
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| jacekowski | Venemo: and it will make a noise | 11:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | nope, the SPSU is some 100kHz | 11:42 |
| jacekowski | Venemo: thing is that most of people older than 20 barely hear that frequency anyways | 11:42 |
| Venemo | jacekowski: okay. and how come that it only makes a nosie after 30 minutes of plugging it in? | 11:42 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: are you sure? | 11:42 |
| Venemo | jacekowski: how come that the Omnia II's charger doesn't make noise. | 11:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | the audible noise is the on/off cycles the SPSU spinns in when no load attached | 11:43 |
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| jacekowski | most of ones i was measuring were in range of 15-25kHz | 11:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | unusual | 11:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | you need too large chokes | 11:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: these 15..25kHz might be one cycle to charge up output buffer C to target Voltage, then pausing until it discharged to lower threshold. Under load the figures will change | 11:45 |
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| jacekowski | well, these were mostly quite hi powered ones | 11:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer | with load, or open output? | 11:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer | also high power SPSU tend to have lower freq, for various reasons | 11:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer | (mostly because the huge switching FETs etc have higher parasitary capacitance, so high switching freq are more prone to lossy efficiency) | 11:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer | for very small SPSU even freq in MHz are usual. See e.g bq24150 | 11:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer | (1MHz iirc) | 11:50 |
| jacekowski | SPSU? | 11:50 |
| jacekowski | hmm | 11:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | switched power supply unit | 11:50 |
| jacekowski | hmm | 11:50 |
| jacekowski | what's wrong with using SMPS | 11:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | M? | 11:51 |
| jacekowski | switch mode power supply | 11:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | ok, I have no particular preferences regarding fsckng ETLA | 11:52 |
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| jacekowski | ETLA? | 11:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~wtf etla | 11:52 |
| infobot | ETLA: extended three letter acronym | 11:52 |
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| MOUD | Hey all | 11:53 |
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| DocScrutinizer | hey one | 11:53 |
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| Termana | hey hey | 11:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: I gather you're into buildng UPS for server farms, or driver electronics for E-trains, or sth similar (regarding kA, and 15kHz SMPS) | 11:55 |
| jacekowski | well, close | 11:56 |
| jacekowski | we build generators | 11:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | ooh | 11:57 |
| jacekowski | and ups'es are ussualy bought somewhere | 11:57 |
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| DocScrutinizer | such things like the 30L 12 cylinder critters in the basement of hospital ? | 11:58 |
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| DocScrutinizer | always found it rather funny how they manage to start such a monster and crank it up to 100% in <30s | 12:00 |
| jacekowski | well | 12:00 |
| jacekowski | 15s | 12:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | FSCK | 12:00 |
| jacekowski | 2 2MW generators | 12:00 |
| jacekowski | start and sync and 100% load in 15s | 12:00 |
| jacekowski | but engine is preheated to 45C | 12:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer | yeah, I think there's a lot of hot standby support systems running all the time. Like fuel pumps, lubricant heating and circulating... dunno what | 12:02 |
| jacekowski | just heating | 12:02 |
| jacekowski | everything else is started when engine starts | 12:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | amazing | 12:03 |
| jacekowski | 6kW starter motor | 12:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | anyway we should take it elsewhere | 12:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer | rather OT | 12:03 |
| jacekowski | well, 2x3kW | 12:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-) | 12:03 |
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| * Weiss heard a few years ago about how some power stations can be started up from scratch, starting with a little hand-cranked generator, which starts some diesel engine, which starts a small turbine, which starts ... | 12:04 | |
| Weiss | (normally they'd need to pull power from the grid to start) | 12:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | when I ponder about usual car engine starter motor is >1kW... :-o | 12:05 |
| nguyenchau | i have a soft in Linux OS it is about ubuntu , fedora, debian, can i change it to adapt with N900 all? | 12:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | Weiss: yup | 12:05 |
| MiXu- | Car starter motors are surprisingly powerful | 12:05 |
| jacekowski | well, some of our generators are just used for black start of power stations | 12:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | btw, hola Weiss | 12:05 |
| Weiss | moin DocScrutinizer :D | 12:06 |
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| X-Fade | DocScrutinizer: Pff that is nothing. My RC heli has a 3kW continuous motor running on lipo ;) | 12:06 |
| MiXu- | They can draw hundreds of amps on startup | 12:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | how's science? | 12:06 |
| Weiss | pretty good at the moment - loads of conferences and experiments planned until about Feb | 12:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer | X-Fade: the amazing thing is jacekowski starts a 2MW Diesel generator with such a 'tiny' motor | 12:07 |
| Jaffa | Morning, all | 12:07 |
| X-Fade | Mine only weighs 375 gram. | 12:07 |
| * DocScrutinizer ponders about e-bikes | 12:07 | |
| X-Fade | google for a123 bike ;) | 12:08 |
| MiXu- | Have you noticed how cheap you can get solar panels these days? I just ordered a bunch of 12V 0.5W panels for 8e/piece | 12:08 |
| MiXu- | I'm planning on building some sort of car ventilation system for hot days like these. | 12:09 |
| MiXu- | So the car doesn't get that hot when parked. | 12:09 |
| X-Fade | MiXu-: Call me back when they produce 0.5kW for 8e/piece? :) | 12:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | btw, to whom it may concern: Change of PIN - **04*OLD_PIN*NEW_PIN*NEW_PIN# works on PR1.2 with easter-egg | 12:09 |
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| DocScrutinizer | So I'm considering to close 8033 today, after careful evaluation for a complete support of TS22.030 | 12:11 |
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| kerio | the n900 needs a diesel generator | 12:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | *#61#, *#62#, *#67# works | 12:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | #31#NUMBER works | 12:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer | *100# worked even on PR1.1, with ussd app | 12:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | #002# _seems_ to work (""not complient with current status"") | 12:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I'll run thru a full test, list results, and publish on ticker 8033 | 12:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | ticket even | 12:16 |
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| DocScrutinizer | also need to check what's related to easter-egg and what is not | 12:16 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: easter egg? | 12:17 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: it changes pin to random value? | 12:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8830#c8 | 12:17 |
| povbot | Bug 8830: Dialer does not accept MMI codes (*#) from 3GPP TS 22.030 | 12:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | -> easter-egg ~/.osso/call-ui.ini | 12:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | (random walue) more arbitrary value, yes | 12:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | random value wouldn't be quite handy, no? :-P | 12:19 |
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| jacekowski | i don't have that file | 12:20 |
| jacekowski | and well, i wouldn't be suprised if it would change to random value | 12:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | me neither, that's why it took a while until I decided to create it. And now I'm unsure if that did change anything | 12:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | so: [2010-07-14 11:16:57] <DocScrutinizer> also need to check what's related to easter-egg and what is not | 12:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: could you test for change-pin without easter-egg, please? | 12:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer | **04*OLD_PIN*NEW_PIN*NEW_PIN# | 12:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | old pin may be identical with new pin | 12:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | ...so you don't actually change it, for your convenience | 12:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: also checking a simple *#67#<send> would be helpful | 12:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | thanks | 12:24 |
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| jacekowski | i've got no idea what is my current pin | 12:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer | so it's probably 0000 | 12:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: anyway even with wrong old_pin it won't hurt | 12:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer | either reports success or fail | 12:25 |
| jacekowski | service code not supported | 12:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | or says "illegal number" and that's what we don't want to see | 12:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | for change_pin? | 12:26 |
| jacekowski | well i had "service code not supported" | 12:26 |
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| jacekowski | for **04*0000*0000*0000# | 12:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | mhm, so easter egg is actually needed | 12:26 |
| jacekowski | hmm, crap | 12:27 |
| jacekowski | it looks like it's not only NOLO checking certificate | 12:27 |
| jacekowski | CMT is doing it as well | 12:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | says "failed to change PIN" here | 12:27 |
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| jacekowski | and CMT firmware seems to be a lot more secure | 12:27 |
| Stskeeps | told you.. | 12:27 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 12:27 |
| jacekowski | hmm, i need a cluster | 12:28 |
| WakoJackoH | Like playing bzflag while idling and talking with other bzflag players? Have a go at ##Bzflagidlehouse | 12:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | lol | 12:28 |
| jacekowski | so i can just bruteforce that cert | 12:28 |
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| WakoJackoH | Try ##Bzflagidlehouse | 12:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | make that an app, like seta@home for N900 :-P | 12:28 |
| WakoJackoH | ##Bzflagidlehouse | 12:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer | idiot spammer | 12:29 |
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| jacekowski | Stskeeps: everything can be cracked | 12:32 |
| Stskeeps | with sufficient time | 12:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: I still miss what you're tackling | 12:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | signature for certain flasher partitions? | 12:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | or for modem firmware even? | 12:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | CAL? | 12:33 |
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| jacekowski | well, i'm just looking into how flashing is done | 12:35 |
| jacekowski | and how hard would it be to flash CMT | 12:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | and what's CMT (sorry it's really too early for me) | 12:35 |
| jacekowski | cellmo | 12:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | aah | 12:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | forget flashing modem firmware. it's usually checked internally inside modem | 12:36 |
| jacekowski | well, it's checked by nolo | 12:36 |
| jacekowski | and then by modem again | 12:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | I don't know a single contemporary modem chipset where flashing a new firmware is THAT easy | 12:37 |
| jacekowski | nolo checks are not a problem | 12:37 |
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| DocScrutinizer | (except OM calypso :-P) | 12:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | (our certs are NULL) | 12:37 |
| jacekowski | well, thing is | 12:38 |
| jacekowski | that i have way of wiping nolo certs | 12:38 |
| jacekowski | and i'm not sure if they are the same for modem | 12:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | odds are they are not | 12:38 |
| jacekowski | hmm, firmware is downloaded to modem, verified and then flashed | 12:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | there's a modem cert inside chipset, and you won't easily read it out | 12:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | so you don't even have access to public key | 12:39 |
| jacekowski | and bugs that you can modify data after checks but before it's used are quite common | 12:39 |
| Scelt | why N900 doesn't resend automatically smses that failed to deliver? | 12:39 |
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| misc-- | hi all, I'm connected to a wireless network but there is no wireless logo saying that I'm actually connected. How do I get this back? If I click the notification area, the 'internet connection' says not connected, but when I click on that, it shows that I'm connected to wireless | 12:41 |
| jacekowski | well, there is always jtag way | 12:42 |
| haj | hey... okay, I don't think my N900 shutting down this morning was related to heat | 12:43 |
| jacekowski | it's still morning | 12:43 |
| haj | Just checked batterygraph... I was playing a bit of DuneII yesterday without charger connected, and when I quit it I connected it to the labtops USB (as I always do when it's night).. but I can see in batterygraph that something has been eating 60% cpu or something all night... So it wasn't charging. | 12:45 |
| haj | jacekowski: not here in Denmark :) | 12:45 |
| haj | sometimes it would be nice if batterygraph logged the app using the most cpu ;) | 12:46 |
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| jacekowski | haj: well, 11:48 is still morning | 12:48 |
| haj | In denmark we would call that midday... :) | 12:49 |
| haj | jacekowski: where are you based? | 12:49 |
| jacekowski | uk | 12:50 |
| haj | okay.. :) | 12:50 |
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| jacekowski | oOoo | 13:03 |
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| jacekowski | nolo modifies cmt firmware | 13:07 |
| jacekowski | before it's uploaded to modem | 13:07 |
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| jacekowski | i need somebody brave enough to flash their phone with my firmware | 13:20 |
| Venemo | jacekowski: what does your firmware contain? | 13:21 |
| arachnist | jacekowski: http://qdb.us/303118 | 13:22 |
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| jacekowski | Venemo: modified nolo | 13:26 |
| jacekowski | Venemo: that may not boot at all | 13:26 |
| Stskeeps | i'd like to warn against that, as nolo is signed | 13:26 |
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| Stskeeps | and your n900 will be dead in the water | 13:27 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 13:27 |
| MohammadAG | i'd like to say if you bork nolo, you need a serial cable to fix it | 13:27 |
| Stskeeps | i'm not always sure this is possible | 13:27 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 13:27 |
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| * MohammadAG shrugs | 13:28 | |
| * arachnist yawns | 13:28 | |
| arachnist | why oh why didn't N900 come with uboot? | 13:28 |
| Stskeeps | because more people would mess up their devices | 13:28 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 13:28 |
| jacekowski | Stskeeps: i'm not sure about nolo being signed | 13:29 |
| Stskeeps | i'm sure of it. | 13:29 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 13:29 |
| jacekowski | what is checking that signature? | 13:30 |
| Stskeeps | omap hs | 13:30 |
| D-Iivil_Work | Stskeeps, you might know the answer I've been seeking for few days: do you know if there's more "polite" way to reload hildon-home than doing killall hildon-home? Built-in theme selecting application does this without losing all python -widgets from desktop while killall hildon-home makes them disappear 8/10 times. | 13:30 |
| jacekowski | hmm, i could use kexec | 13:30 |
| Stskeeps | ie, the boot rom | 13:30 |
| jacekowski | to boot my version of nolo | 13:31 |
| jacekowski | ( problem that nolo has to live at specific address in memory ) | 13:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer | X-Fade: ping | 13:40 |
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| kerio | D-Iivil_Work: it's probably a dbus message | 13:43 |
| kerio | use a listener | 13:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: I thought there are diferent flavours of OMAP. Ones that check BL signature, and ones that don't | 13:43 |
| Stskeeps | there is | 13:44 |
| Stskeeps | and n900 is one of those | 13:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | mhm | 13:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | I can't tell for sure, from any of the info I got so far | 13:44 |
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| DocScrutinizer | even the schematics are obscure wrt that, as you'd probably need to pulldown a SoC pin to boot from serial | 13:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I'm sure one of the testpads in battery bay is for that, but schematics has virtually zero info about those testpads | 13:46 |
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| jacekowski | i'll play with these pins today | 13:50 |
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| Stskeeps | you can afford a new n900, right? :P | 13:51 |
| kerio | that's what she said | 13:51 |
| jacekowski | i mean, enable r&d mode, enable serial flag | 13:51 |
| jacekowski | Stskeeps: i can | 13:51 |
| jacekowski | Stskeeps: i mean - i can afford to buy £2k scope | 13:51 |
| jacekowski | Stskeeps: that i'm going to useon that phone | 13:52 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 13:52 |
| jacekowski | but well, scope is a tool | 13:52 |
| jacekowski | usefull tool, | 13:52 |
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| jacekowski | and wasting £500 isn't a thing i would like to do | 13:54 |
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| jacekowski | but connecting scope isn't going to break it | 13:54 |
| jacekowski | i hope | 13:54 |
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| tuliobaars | hey, do someone know when the PR1.3 will release? | 13:56 |
| tuliobaars | 8) | 13:57 |
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| tuliobaars | hey, anyone there? | 13:57 |
| D-Iivil_Work | there's many of us here. | 13:58 |
| D-Iivil_Work | My wild guess about PR1.3 is that it'll be released the same moment as hell freezes. | 13:59 |
| tuliobaars | ohhh, so it would be soon | 13:59 |
| andre__ | tuliobaars: Nokia does not announce release dates in advance. | 13:59 |
| tuliobaars | yep | 14:00 |
| tuliobaars | just forget | 14:00 |
| crashanddie | damn, why is the neopwn website down | 14:00 |
| MohammadAG | I would be asking if there is even a 1.3, not when it's going to be released | 14:00 |
| MohammadAG | crashanddie, some misconfiguration | 14:00 |
| tuliobaars | yep | 14:00 |
| crashanddie | MohammadAG: bollocks | 14:00 |
| tuliobaars | i guess it will be released | 14:00 |
| tuliobaars | i hope | 14:00 |
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| crashanddie | MohammadAG: actually, neopwn.com expires on 31st july 2010 | 14:01 |
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| t-baars | so, why not the PR 1.3 won't going to be released? | 14:03 |
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| crashanddie | did that not english not speaking not talking not leave? | 14:05 |
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| alterego | Nice, got adaptive Qt layouts when I rotate from portrait to landscape mode :) | 14:09 |
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| gez | Hey everyone I just had https://garage.maemo.org/projects/grsync redirect to my-symbian.com on my n900 but not on my pc, has anyone else had a similar problem? | 14:23 |
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| jacekowski | hmmmm, what if i would connect USB cable + 100k resistor to BSI + 20-30ohms resistor to + an - | 14:26 |
| jacekowski | and no batttery | 14:26 |
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| kerio | jacekowski: should work i guess | 14:26 |
| kerio | bme will probably complain | 14:26 |
| kerio | don't try to charge it | 14:27 |
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| Macer | hm | 14:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | BEWARE!!! **04*0000*0000*0000# eats your PIN retries. After three times you need PUK!! | 14:44 |
| * DocScrutinizer shouting swearwords | 14:45 | |
| Scelt | why did you tell us what's the code? | 14:45 |
| X-Fade | DocScrutinizer: When your original pin isn't 0000, I would imagine it would. | 14:45 |
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| DocScrutinizer | yep, of course only if your oin is NOT 0000 | 14:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | pin* | 14:46 |
| X-Fade | Otherwise it would be a nice way to find out a pin. | 14:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | goddamn shit, my PUK was incinerated 2 years ago | 14:46 |
| LjL | :( | 14:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer | X-Fade: actually I thought about that previously, but wasn't clever enough to think about the implications | 14:48 |
| X-Fade | DocScrutinizer: Doesn't your provider know your puk? | 14:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | ok, time for a walk to my provider's service point | 14:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | dunno, hope err pray for it | 14:49 |
| X-Fade | While you are at it: Try the puk code USSD :) | 14:49 |
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| kerio | DocScrutinizer: can't you just call? | 14:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | nah, dialer asks for puk by itself | 14:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer | kerio: if I could do that, then puk/pin wouldn't be worth much, no? :-) | 14:50 |
| direx | is anybody aware of current problems with the autobuilder? | 14:50 |
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| kerio | DocScrutinizer: huh | 14:51 |
| nidO | call as in just call your provider and ask them for the puk | 14:51 |
| kerio | it's your sim | 14:51 |
| nidO | ie using another phone. | 14:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | nidO: kerio: yep, and while I'm at it, I'll ask for your puk as well | 14:51 |
| nidO | go for it | 14:51 |
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| kerio | huh.. | 14:51 |
| nidO | if you know my phone number, name, address, dob, and secret question/answer | 14:52 |
| nidO | theyll give it to you | 14:52 |
| Macer | i need a sim cloner | 14:52 |
| Macer | :) | 14:52 |
| kerio | huh | 14:52 |
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| kerio | you basically just need name and ssn in italy | 14:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | nidO: ok, good point. But I dunno any secret word either, I mean that sim is 12 years old now | 14:52 |
| kerio | and our "ssn" is a function of name, birthday and place of birth | 14:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | next shop is 5 min away | 14:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | if they really can tell me my PUK, then I'm happy about the walk | 14:53 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer: what kind of nerd are you? :| | 14:54 |
| kerio | going out, talking to people | 14:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | LOL | 14:54 |
| Macer | http://beagleboard.org/hardware-xM | 14:54 |
| Venemo | kerio: LoooL :D | 14:54 |
| Macer | 1GHz 512MB beagleboard? | 14:54 |
| Macer | i wouldnt mind finding a case for that :) | 14:54 |
| Macer | do they sell beagleboard cases? | 14:54 |
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| kerio | the sheevaplug is cuter | 14:55 |
| kerio | less powerful, but cuter | 14:56 |
| kerio | also costs less | 14:56 |
| Macer | thought sheevaplug didnt have a vid out | 14:57 |
| kerio | it has a usb out | 14:57 |
| Macer | for video? | 14:58 |
| ssvb | Macer: IGEPv2 is another option, has a bit less MHz though | 14:58 |
| kerio | Macer: why not | 14:58 |
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| Macer | kerio: yeah i guess usb would do | 14:59 |
| Macer | beagleboard has a bootable microsd slot tho | 15:00 |
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| Macer | 32GB sd would be nice | 15:00 |
| Macer | wonder how well it would run as a low wnd server | 15:00 |
| kerio | sheevaplug has a bootable sd slot | 15:00 |
| Macer | how much ram? | 15:00 |
| kerio | 512 iirc | 15:00 |
| Macer | wow | 15:00 |
| kerio | wait, maybe 256? | 15:01 |
| kerio | brb checking | 15:01 |
| Macer | heh | 15:01 |
| kerio | Mem: 513752 252468 261284 0 62228 113512 | 15:01 |
| Macer | damn | 15:01 |
| Macer | not bad | 15:01 |
| Macer | 600MHz? | 15:01 |
| Stskeeps | ls | 15:01 |
| kerio | not sure | 15:01 |
| ssvb | Macer: 1.2GHz | 15:02 |
| kerio | the new models are out i think | 15:02 |
| Macer | hm | 15:02 |
| Macer | ssvb: no way | 15:02 |
| Macer | that fast? | 15:02 |
| kerio | 1.2 | 15:02 |
| Macer | wow | 15:02 |
| kerio | yup | 15:02 |
| Macer | that thing is a little beast | 15:02 |
| Macer | arm debian would be awesome on that | 15:02 |
| kerio | for... small values of beast | 15:02 |
| Macer | heh | 15:02 |
| Macer | well | 15:02 |
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| kerio | you mean arm ubuntu | 15:03 |
| kerio | it's preinstalled | 15:03 |
| kerio | jaunty | 15:03 |
| Macer | you cant switch to debian? | 15:03 |
| kerio | oh, the new base model has the same | 15:03 |
| kerio | whew | 15:03 |
| ssvb | Macer: but sheevaplug is an old armv5te core, without any kind of FPU, SIMD or any cool CPU features | 15:03 |
| kerio | it's just... waaaaay better looking | 15:03 |
| kerio | :( | 15:03 |
| kerio | Macer: sure | 15:03 |
| kerio | i don't see the point though | 15:03 |
| Macer | haha | 15:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | kerio: obviously not that kind of nerd. They were happy with my name and birthday | 15:04 |
| Macer | so 1.2GHz with no extra instructions ? | 15:04 |
| Macer | so it probably runs as fast as a 200MHz newer arm :) | 15:05 |
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| ssvb | Macer: it's just running at a high clock frequency, and has a lot higher power consumption than OMAP3 | 15:05 |
| kerio | Macer: :( | 15:06 |
| kerio | stop dissing mah server | 15:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | strike! | 15:06 |
| frals | sheevaplug is awesome! | 15:06 |
| ssvb | Macer: 1.2GHz clocked sheevaplug is something like 20% faster than 720MHz clocked IGEPv2 at compilation | 15:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-))) | 15:07 |
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| ssvb | Macer: higher MHz really pays off | 15:07 |
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| kerio | frals: it is | 15:09 |
| kerio | :D | 15:09 |
| kerio | :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D | 15:09 |
| Corsac | ssvb: twice the freq for 20% time doesn't look like it's worth the risk | 15:13 |
| Corsac | (for overclock I meant) | 15:14 |
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| kerio | the sheevaplug is cute | 15:15 |
| ssvb | Corsac: what risk? it does not need to run on a battery so can easily afford to consume 2-3x more power than other ARM processors | 15:16 |
| kerio | and still doesn't use a lot | 15:16 |
| ssvb | Corsac: it's less power efficient, but cheap | 15:16 |
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| ssvb | kerio: it depends, 7W is really a lot and unsuitable for a mobile phone for example | 15:18 |
| kerio | well of course | 15:19 |
| kerio | but it's basically nothing for a home server | 15:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | X-Fade: ping | 15:20 |
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| jacekowski | heh | 16:20 |
| jacekowski | look what i've found | 16:20 |
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| jacekowski | http://img36.imageshack.us/i/teki.png/ | 16:22 |
| jacekowski | on N900 pin | 16:22 |
| Stskeeps | aand that's? :P | 16:23 |
| jacekowski | serial | 16:23 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 16:23 |
| SpeedEvil | 2.5v? | 16:23 |
| jacekowski | yep | 16:23 |
| SpeedEvil | http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Hacking#Debug_ports plz | 16:24 |
| Stskeeps | keep in mind there's one for cmt and one for linux side | 16:24 |
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| jacekowski | SpeedEvil: that picture is bad | 16:24 |
| jacekowski | besides, it looks little bit higher than 2.5 | 16:24 |
| jacekowski | more like 2.6 | 16:24 |
| jacekowski | and with bit width of little bit less than 10 micro secunds | 16:26 |
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| jacekowski | seconds* | 16:26 |
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| SpeedEvil | oh - not rs232 then | 16:27 |
| SpeedEvil | actually - that's right for 115200 isn't it | 16:27 |
| jacekowski | yep | 16:28 |
| SpeedEvil | you're not doing anything to provoke this datastream? Is it constant? | 16:28 |
| jacekowski | i've enabled serial-console | 16:29 |
| jacekowski | or something like that | 16:29 |
| jacekowski | and was power cycling | 16:29 |
| SpeedEvil | ah | 16:29 |
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| jacekowski | phone was powered from PSU without BSI connected | 16:29 |
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| jacekowski | hmm | 16:31 |
| jacekowski | suggest something i could use to connect it to PC | 16:32 |
| X-Fade | Isn't something like a max555 needed or so? | 16:33 |
| SpeedEvil | 232 I think you mean | 16:33 |
| jacekowski | max232 is 5V | 16:33 |
| jacekowski | and i don't have it on the shelf anyways | 16:33 |
| SpeedEvil | there are variants | 16:33 |
| X-Fade | Ehm yeah, rusty here ;) | 16:33 |
| Macer | wow bleach got incredibly stupid | 16:34 |
| jacekowski | i've added my findings to that page | 16:34 |
| SpeedEvil | http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/RS232-TTL-Shifter-SMD-Serial-Interface-ANY-Voltage-/120594618237?cmd=ViewItem&pt=BI_Robotics&hash=item1c13ffd77d jacekowski? | 16:34 |
| jacekowski | SpeedEvil: something from my shelf | 16:34 |
| jacekowski | i'm not patient enough to wait for thath | 16:34 |
| jacekowski | that* | 16:34 |
| Macer | heh | 16:35 |
| X-Fade | jacekowski: Do you have old data cables for phone lying around? | 16:35 |
| jacekowski | no | 16:35 |
| jacekowski | all stuff i have is 5V | 16:35 |
| SpeedEvil | For a hack - a comparator at 1.4V or so | 16:35 |
| Macer | nothing beats making something that will fry your phone | 16:35 |
| jacekowski | hmm, i have some lov volatage stuff | 16:35 |
| jacekowski | 1.8V | 16:35 |
| Macer | hook resistors up to it | 16:35 |
| jacekowski | with resistor | 16:35 |
| SpeedEvil | It's very low risk to just connect (observing anti-static precautions) an input through a 10K resistor - say | 16:36 |
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| SpeedEvil | A NPN, with a 10K base resistor would work OK too | 16:37 |
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| jacekowski | BC337 is NPN | 16:42 |
| jacekowski | yep | 16:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer | wazzup? | 16:54 |
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| luke-jr | jacekowski: router? | 16:59 |
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| luke-jr | jacekowski: for my TTL-level stuff, I use my WRT54G's second serial port | 16:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: check polarity. LV-RS232 often is inverted logic. You need to find out level of stopbit | 17:00 |
| Stskeeps | 8n1 | 17:00 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 17:00 |
| X-Fade | Jig probably has coversion hardware though. | 17:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | lol - yes but is "1" 0V or 2.5V here? | 17:01 |
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| jacekowski | X-Fade: i don't have a jig | 17:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's the whole problem. Where to get a jig | 17:03 |
| jacekowski | nokia | 17:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer | a cheap one, not containing loads of useless crap | 17:04 |
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| jacekowski | china | 17:04 |
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| jacekowski | hmm, let me ask somebody | 17:04 |
| Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: .. i think there's only barebone ones, heh | 17:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer | really? | 17:05 |
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| jacekowski | ok, i've just spoken to somebody | 17:07 |
| jacekowski | and he'll ask his family | 17:07 |
| jacekowski | ( he's wife is chinese ) | 17:07 |
| jacekowski | his* | 17:07 |
| X-Fade | Ah, then she _must_ know ;) | 17:07 |
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| lcuk | tracy used to come back from work (in a bookshop) and she would be infuraited by people who came in and said "I'm looking for a book, it had a blue cover" | 17:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Flash adapter FS-94 is used for phone testing and flashing. FS-94 is used with the generic flash adapter base SS-60/62 and control unit CU-4 or interface adapter SS-46. | 17:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | When flashing or system testing the phone, the adapter is attached to replace the phone own battery. All functions (as well as the calibration voltages, current and the protections for over voltages, over current and voltage polarity), are performed by CU-4. | 17:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | Flash adapter FS-94 main features: • VBATT supply interface • USB / FBUS multiplexed interface to the phone | 17:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | check SM_L3_4.pdf | 17:10 |
| wazd | RST38h: around? :) | 17:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer | there's FS-94, MJ-174, CU-4, FLS-5, FPS-21... incredible | 17:11 |
| Clockwork1 | anbody use a n810 in here? | 17:11 |
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| luke-jr | Clockwork1: yes | 17:15 |
| Clockwork1 | What do you use it for? | 17:16 |
| luke-jr | err | 17:16 |
| luke-jr | wardriving when GPS works | 17:16 |
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| jaska | mine mostly reads ebooks with fbreader :P | 17:30 |
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| jacekowski | that phone needs some low low low power mode | 17:50 |
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| jacekowski | when only thing that could wake it up would be incoming call | 17:50 |
| SpeedEvil | It does | 17:50 |
| SpeedEvil | if by that, you mean n900 | 17:50 |
| kerio | jacekowski: i was thinking of something even more radical | 17:51 |
| SpeedEvil | echo ram >/sys/power/state | 17:51 |
| lcuk | or unlocking or opening camera or pressing keys or ... | 17:51 |
| SpeedEvil | this will wake on GSM incoming call | 17:51 |
| jacekowski | but lot of hardware is still working | 17:51 |
| SpeedEvil | However it also wakes on GSM signal change - which isn't so great | 17:51 |
| kerio | dualboot with a "dumbphone" OS | 17:51 |
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| jacekowski | ideally some state where omap would be powered down | 17:51 |
| jacekowski | and only cellmo would be working | 17:51 |
| SpeedEvil | jacekowski: It's supsended to RAM in that state | 17:52 |
| jacekowski | ram is still powered | 17:52 |
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| SpeedEvil | draw is - IIRC - around half of nominal | 17:52 |
| SpeedEvil | so ~250 hours, not 140 hours standby | 17:52 |
| kerio | SpeedEvil: drawbacks? | 17:52 |
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| SpeedEvil | It doesn't work as the modem is configured to report state-change events | 17:53 |
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| SpeedEvil | and these are frequent enough that teh powersaving of this mode is wiped out as it's quite expensive to enter/leave | 17:53 |
| jacekowski | yep | 17:54 |
| SpeedEvil | this is - in principle - trivial to change | 17:54 |
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| SpeedEvil | the modem can be configured to not announce signalstate changes. | 17:54 |
| kerio | jacekowski: write a dumbphone OS | 17:54 |
| SpeedEvil | But it's a closed module that talks to the phone. | 17:54 |
| SpeedEvil | Other than this - all the software 'just works' | 17:54 |
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| SpeedEvil | Suspend to 'disk' might save another 20% or so - but at the cost of vastly more overhead starting up. | 17:55 |
| SpeedEvil | As in 15s to wakeup | 17:56 |
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| Pauly | hellos | 18:00 |
| achipa | X-Fade: ping | 18:00 |
| crashanddie | hi Pauly | 18:01 |
| Pauly | my fmms is not owrking correctly ughhh, wont download. worked fine be4 i reflashed. | 18:01 |
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| Pauly | crashanddie: sup? | 18:02 |
| kerio | i should try fmms | 18:02 |
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| Pauly | should i connect to the mms internet connection before i start fmms? | 18:03 |
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| Pauly | kerio: it used to work good. but now it just gets stuck at downloading mms. | 18:06 |
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| Pauly | it has to be something wrong with my config | 18:06 |
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| kevloral | Hello all | 18:08 |
| crashanddie | hi kevloral | 18:11 |
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| crashanddie | ~ping | 18:12 |
| infobot | ~pong | 18:12 |
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| * DocScrutinizer wonders how SpeedEvil has come to the conclusion that modem actually isn't set to no_unsol - on locking the device | 18:16 | |
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| SpeedEvil | Simply | 18:17 |
| SpeedEvil | echo ram >/sys/power/suspend | 18:17 |
| SpeedEvil | Under some circumstances, the phone wakes 'randomly' | 18:18 |
| SpeedEvil | It does not do this if GSM is turned off | 18:18 |
| SpeedEvil | It does not do this - sometimes - if it's in a very good signal area if it can only see one cell site | 18:18 |
| SpeedEvil | it wakes on ring | 18:18 |
| SpeedEvil | and that pnatd gives the unsolicited messages at about the right rate to account for the wakeups | 18:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: but what makes you sure about a lockscreen does NOT set modem to no_unsol_msgs mode? | 18:21 |
| SpeedEvil | because I was doing some of the tests with it locked | 18:22 |
| SpeedEvil | IIRC | 18:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | or maybe some timeout in cellmo driver when detecting nobody cares about unsol-msgs | 18:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer | fsck, how comes xchat behaves like brainwashed on a new device, even when ~/.xchat2 has been copied over from a correctly configured one | 18:28 |
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| * DocScrutinizer reprograms the silos to target on gconf | 18:29 | |
| DocScrutinizer | ~nuke gconf | 18:29 |
| * infobot prepares 100 missle silos, and targets them at gconf ... B☢☢M! | 18:29 | |
| crashanddie | ~nuke infobot | 18:30 |
| * infobot prepares 100 missle silos, and targets them at infobot ... B☢☢M! | 18:30 | |
| DocScrutinizer | BS! linux, always nothing but hassle :-P | 18:31 |
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| jophish | Howdy. I'm trying to send my n900 off under warranty (useless usb port). However I have been unable to find a freepost address for the USA, and the relevant forms | 18:35 |
| jophish | has anyone else had to send a phone to a nokia repair center in the USA | 18:35 |
| PerfDave | jophish: I had a useless USB port but a hard reset fixed it... | 18:35 |
| jophish | Mine has done this: http://www.ubergizmo.com/photos/2010/2/n900-broke.jpg | 18:36 |
| jophish | I don't think that reset will fix it PerfDave :) | 18:36 |
| PerfDave | Yeah, that's quite broken ;) | 18:37 |
| jophish | ah, I found the form | 18:37 |
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| Weiss | jophish: you're not the first person to experience that, I gather. I also read that later models have proper pins going right through the PCB to avoid the USB port falling off like that (earlier models are just surface mounted, which isn't strong enough) | 18:41 |
| jophish | Yeah, I have had it rejected for repair here in the UK because it was a us based imei number | 18:41 |
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| mgedmin | ouch | 18:41 |
| jophish | when I get it back, I plan to flood it with hot glue :) | 18:41 |
| crashanddie | jophish: did you try flashing it? | 18:41 |
| crashanddie | jophish: (just kidding) | 18:41 |
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| jophish | :) | 18:42 |
| mgedmin | did they refuse to fix it for free (i.e. under warranty), or did they refuse to fix it at all? | 18:42 |
| jophish | at all | 18:42 |
| crashanddie | well, get the service repair manual to take it apart | 18:42 |
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| jophish | fortunately, I'm flying to the states tomorrow | 18:42 |
| crashanddie | and solder it back | 18:42 |
| mgedmin | jophish, undoubtly flashing *would* fix it, but you can't flash without a working USB port | 18:42 |
| mgedmin | elementary chicken-and-egg | 18:42 |
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| jophish | crashanddie, I would have, except that I dont have a teeny tiny hex screqdriver | 18:42 |
| jophish | probably best though | 18:42 |
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| crashanddie | jophish: I bought a 2 quid screwdriver set, and filed off a bit off one of 'em, so it would fit | 18:43 |
| jophish | and voided your warranty too :) | 18:43 |
| jophish | not that it is working for me | 18:43 |
| crashanddie | well, it was an n810, it was already OOW | 18:44 |
| jophish | ah ok | 18:44 |
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| jophish | no problems with my n810 | 18:44 |
| crashanddie | the screen stopped working | 18:44 |
| crashanddie | with mine | 18:44 |
| crashanddie | so I just took it apart, and repluged the screen cable | 18:44 |
| jophish | :) | 18:45 |
| jophish | what should I put as an explanation on the nokia form to ensure that it is repaired? | 18:45 |
| jophish | The usb port has fallen out... | 18:45 |
| crashanddie | "USB Port failure as noted in class action lawsuit #33849183 filed under the California District" | 18:46 |
| jophish | that sounds impressive | 18:47 |
| crashanddie | it's utter bullshit though | 18:47 |
| jophish | I thought as much, I couldnt find any information on that suit | 18:47 |
| crashanddie | armani | 18:49 |
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| ceda | Hi. I want to initiate calls from my computer. Ideally, this would work over bluetooth. http://wiki.forum.nokia.com/index.php/How_to_send_AT_commands_and_Dial_with_Python_and_Bluetooth is as close as I've gotten (by searching, haven't tried anything yet) | 18:59 |
| ceda | is this doable with a N900? | 18:59 |
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| Venemo | ceda: why not try? | 19:06 |
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| ceda | still at work, locked down windows machine ... | 19:16 |
| ceda | work=customer site | 19:16 |
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| Venemo | hey guys. | 19:20 |
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| Venemo | what do you think would be the best key combination for strike-through text? | 19:20 |
| Venemo | When Ctrl+S is reserved for save | 19:21 |
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| red | why the heck would anyone want to bind strike-thru | 19:23 |
| ceda | Venemo: Ctrl+/ perhaps | 19:24 |
| Venemo | ceda: there is no dediacated / on the N900. | 19:24 |
| Venemo | red: well, it was a feature request. :) | 19:24 |
| red | make it shift control a :) | 19:24 |
| ceda | Venemo: F then perhaps, it's where the - character is at | 19:25 |
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| Venemo | ceda: well, Ctrl+F is usually associated with Search/Find | 19:25 |
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| kevloral | bye all | 19:26 |
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| GAN900 | Venemo, ctrl-fn-v | 19:26 |
| Venemo | GAN900: hm. I'll try that. | 19:26 |
| Venemo | GAN900: you are right, the fn+v is the / | 19:26 |
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| Venemo | GAN900: it's not working. | 19:29 |
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| GAN900 | Venemo, Sym may be interfering | 19:30 |
| GAN900 | ctfl-shift-v? | 19:30 |
| Venemo | GAN900: that can be easily mistaken with Ctrl+V | 19:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | keep in mind the borked fsckup kbd matrix. N-key rollover won't work sometimes | 19:35 |
| RZ | Is it known that open TTD doesn't work? | 19:36 |
| Venemo | RZ: it works for me. | 19:37 |
| RZ | Hm that's not good for me. | 19:37 |
| Venemo | RZ: although the -devel version may not work correctly | 19:37 |
| RZ | -devel version is from the repos? In Nokia program nanager? | 19:38 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | i.e. results of any 3 keys pressed same time are not easily predictable | 19:38 |
| jacekowski | fucking hell | 19:39 |
| jacekowski | success | 19:39 |
| RZ | *manager | 19:39 |
| jacekowski | http://pastebin.com/1KSPhECy | 19:39 |
| jacekowski | serial from n900 | 19:39 |
| RZ | Should read program manager. | 19:40 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer51: | 19:40 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | jacekowski: WOOOOT | 19:41 |
| jacekowski | http://pastebin.com/1KSPhECy | 19:41 |
| jacekowski | i just got that from my phone via serial | 19:41 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | ~hail jacekowski | 19:42 |
| * infobot bows down to jacekowski and chants, "I'M NOT WORTHY!!" | 19:42 | |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | jacekowski: pins? levels? baudrates? | 19:43 |
| jacekowski | 115..... | 19:43 |
| jacekowski | high one | 19:43 |
| jacekowski | pin | 19:43 |
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| jacekowski | i've update wiki page | 19:43 |
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| jacekowski | but it's one on the set closer to a sticker | 19:43 |
| Shapeshifter | So, if you like my game, you can now vote for the package in testing http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/reactionfaceoff/0.0.1-3/ | 19:44 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | jacekowski: found RX as well? | 19:44 |
| jacekowski | not yet | 19:45 |
| jacekowski | 115200 8-N-1 | 19:47 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | jacekowski: but it should be easy now to say for sure which UART is used (by sending to all available and check output on pin). Then check which GPIO has RX of same UART, and wiggle that GPIO to trace down the assoc testpad | 19:48 |
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| jacekowski | hmmm, something is wrong | 19:48 |
| jacekowski | i don't get anything now | 19:48 |
| jacekowski | i see data on a scope | 19:48 |
| jacekowski | it looks like my serial port is dead | 19:48 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | I consider to produce a small series of fixtures incl levelshifter | 19:49 |
| jacekowski | anyways | 19:49 |
| jacekowski | console=tty0 | 19:50 |
| jacekowski | 1st serial | 19:50 |
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| jacekowski | hmm, so how is it comunicating with cellmo | 19:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | a completely separate set of pads for cellmo FBUS | 19:50 |
| jacekowski | take a look at schematic | 19:51 |
| jacekowski | uart0 is connected to cellmo | 19:51 |
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| jacekowski | hmm uart1 | 19:51 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | aah. main app processor to cellmo? that's some membus or I2C | 19:51 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | afk for a walk... | 19:52 |
| jacekowski | hmm, SSI | 19:52 |
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| jacekowski | i've heard that name before | 19:53 |
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| jacekowski | home time | 19:55 |
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| Myrtti | humdidumdi | 20:03 |
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| Shift | hi. Hope one of you could help me... I created a Theme for the N900, using MADDE. Just like it's written in the TUT http://wiki.maemo.org/MADDE/Theme_building . | 20:15 |
| Shift | but after using the maemo extras assistant it says FAILED | 20:15 |
| Shift | https://garage.maemo.org/pipermail/extras-cauldron-builds/2010-July/025055.html | 20:15 |
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| Shift | i'm pretty new in maemo/linux world.... hope you can help. | 20:16 |
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| Shapeshifter | Shift: I'm not sure as I don't usually do things like this, but I think your problem is in the configure.ac file where you have a string: THEME_NAME="NightShifts First S[3~trike[Crike"e | 20:18 |
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| Shift | okay. sory to ask that dumb, but what does this mean? | 20:18 |
| Shapeshifter | Shift: line 14, THEME_NAME, it contains weird escape characters. And that is the file autobuilder failed on, as you can see in this log https://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/hildon-theme-firststrike_0.1/i386.build.log.FAILED.txt | 20:18 |
| Shift | ahh# | 20:19 |
| Shift | okay | 20:19 |
| Shapeshifter | "scratchbox/tools/bin/m4:configure.ac:14: ERROR: end of file in string" | 20:19 |
| Shapeshifter | Shift: understand? | 20:19 |
| Shift | i see. so the problem could be just a bad name ? | 20:19 |
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| Shapeshifter | indeed. Something is wrong with that line. I don't know how you ended up with that, just make sure that it is fixed, i.e. only contains proper characters when you retry building the package. | 20:20 |
| Shapeshifter | Shift: also, try reading the FAILED.txt logfile, it usually tries to be very specific in telling you what is wrong, such as in this case | 20:21 |
| Shift | yes. understood. | 20:21 |
| Shift | thank you | 20:21 |
| Shapeshifter | Shift: basically, when you encounter such logs, start at the bottom and go as far up until stuff seems normal. the first thing that says "error" or somesuch is usually the culprit, the rest just fails consequently. | 20:22 |
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| Shift | okay | 20:23 |
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| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer51: well, nolo can program cellmo somehow | 20:27 |
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| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer51: so it has to be connected | 20:27 |
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| jacekowski | and there is a question | 20:30 |
| jacekowski | how to get into nolo interactive console | 20:31 |
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| PaulyN900 | hello | 20:33 |
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| Shift | thank's again Shapeshifter!! Finally it worked :) | 20:33 |
| PaulyN900 | hey, anyone know how to fix fmms | 20:33 |
| PaulyN900 | its bothering me, plus my gf sent me a pic! lol | 20:34 |
| kerio | tell her to *mail* the pic | 20:34 |
| kerio | mms suck | 20:35 |
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| kerio | it has an arbitrary restriction on message size, image resolution and movie resolution and duration | 20:35 |
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| PaulyN900 | lol i know but it worked before i reflashed | 20:35 |
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| PaulyN900 | ya figures, ill just set up gmail on the mail client | 20:36 |
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| PaulyN900 | btw i think im logged in as pauly upstairs on my pc lol | 20:37 |
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| RST38h | moo | 20:49 |
| Stskeeps | moo | 20:50 |
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| * RST38h is running iostat for the last 12 hours | 20:50 | |
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| Stskeeps | could be interesting to see | 20:52 |
| RST38h | it looks like every write to MyDocs wakes up the thumbnailer though =( | 20:53 |
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| lcuk | RST38h, wakes up the thumbnailer or tracker or both? | 21:04 |
| frals | internet at home \o/ | 21:06 |
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| RST38h | thumnailer | 21:08 |
| RST38h | dunno about tracket, htop did not show it | 21:08 |
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| lcuk | RST38h, potentially being woken by tracker which doesnt do that much whilst thumbnailing is a heavier process perhaps | 21:11 |
| lcuk | frals, w00000t | 21:11 |
| RST38h | SmartQ went Android. | 21:12 |
| Stskeeps | no surprises | 21:12 |
| RST38h | lcuk: may all these nice processes burn in hell. | 21:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: you're right - UART1 is RAPUYAMA, as is McBSP4 and DSS_DATAx | 21:13 |
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| lcuk | RST38h, but without them we will never know that yoursong.mp3 was 2 minutes long | 21:13 |
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| lcuk | you may one day wish to sort by track length | 21:13 |
| RST38h | I think pupnik found a way to disable the sucker | 21:13 |
| lcuk | then where will you be :p | 21:13 |
| RST38h | But of course it also requires a desktop button saying "Rescan media" | 21:14 |
| GAN900 | Thumbnailing is unbelievably slow | 21:15 |
| jacekowski | btw. there is one more flag | 21:15 |
| jacekowski | sti-console | 21:15 |
| GAN900 | It's worse than Finder.app pulling focus when it thumbnailed videos in 10.6.0 | 21:15 |
| lcuk | yeah it is GAN900 | 21:15 |
| jacekowski | and | 21:15 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: have you seen that message from nolo | 21:15 |
| lcuk | its a tough software problem | 21:15 |
| jacekowski | [ 0.340] Initializing USB | 21:15 |
| jacekowski | [ 0.348] No USB host detected | 21:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: lemme check again, good large screen now, and kbd/mouse :-P | 21:16 |
| RST38h | completely kills photo app usage too | 21:16 |
| lcuk | yeah RST38h | 21:16 |
| RST38h | you make two photos - and thn the thumbnailer kicks in and you are stuck with a non responding device | 21:16 |
| jacekowski | i've lost my mouse | 21:16 |
| jacekowski | somewhere between home and work | 21:16 |
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| lcuk | RST38h, thumbing is done at much lower priority isnt it | 21:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | [ 0.147] Battery voltage 3.436 V, BSI: 0 -- :-P | 21:18 |
| SpeedEvil | The Prio is a lie! | 21:18 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: power supply | 21:18 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: i had only + an - connected | 21:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | BSI looks odd | 21:18 |
| lcuk | ive spoken about this in the past - i think a potential workaround would be having the image application which is creating the photo should save a thumbnail itself from its own in memory data | 21:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | aah ok | 21:18 |
| SpeedEvil | (in the case of swapping shit out) | 21:18 |
| RST38h | lcuk: it starts accessing the mmc - and then you are fucked, whatever priority it has been at | 21:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | weird it did boot nevertheless | 21:18 |
| jacekowski | well | 21:19 |
| jacekowski | [ 0.157] Disabling charging (no battery present) | 21:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer | lol, ok | 21:19 |
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| lcuk | RST38h, sure | 21:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | [ 0.333] Über-cool backlight fade-in took 9 ms MUHAHA | 21:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | [ 0.429] Serial console enabled --- jacekowski this looks nice | 21:21 |
| ZogG | Über-cool ? | 21:21 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: well, it boots system straight away | 21:21 |
| SpeedEvil | A fade-in over 9ms? | 21:21 |
| ZogG | what the f is this letter «Ü» | 21:21 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: so i think you have to do something else as well | 21:21 |
| ZogG | it's a smiley | 21:21 |
| SpeedEvil | That's so cool. | 21:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: probably fill UART RX FIFO with '.' | 21:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | ZogG: Ü is what you'd transscribe as ue | 21:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer | so Über is over | 21:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | or overly | 21:23 |
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| jacekowski | and other thing is | 21:24 |
| jacekowski | that it looks like while flashing CMT | 21:24 |
| jacekowski | nolo modifies that firmware | 21:24 |
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| Roaziel | Hi everyone. Is it possibl for the N900 to share its internet connection with my PC via USB or possibly even bluetooth (preferable USB)? I ask because my wireless card broke and Im too far from my router to pull a cable, but my N900 can connect just fine | 21:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: you know why Nokia is using that CAL shit? Simply because they have a universal CALibrating&testing software called Phoenix, that depends on this CAL shit, for things like ALS calibration and whatnot | 21:25 |
| jacekowski | ALS? | 21:26 |
| jacekowski | ~info ALS | 21:26 |
| jacekowski | ~ALS | 21:26 |
| infobot | i heard als is the atlanta linux showcase. http://www.linuxshowcase.org | 21:26 |
| jacekowski | but going back to nolo and cmt | 21:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: I asked for FS-94 fixture at Nokia care, reply: "You need to be a certified Nokia competence partner to get access to that shit (piss off sucker)" | 21:27 |
| jacekowski | nah, you just have to know people | 21:28 |
| Stskeeps | FS-94 comes with a dongle and stuff i thin | 21:28 |
| Stskeeps | k | 21:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: I'm planning to build ~20 fixtures 'manufactum' and sell | 21:28 |
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| jacekowski | btw. i saw a link for phonix someewhere | 21:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: nope, dongle is separate, there are 2 or 3 versions, and for sure you have to pay for those as well. Needed to start Phoenix pile-o-BS | 21:29 |
| jacekowski | dongle isn't a problem | 21:29 |
| jacekowski | tbh. dongles are the worst protection at the moemnt | 21:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | anyway in the end we are the least interested in Phoenix. We want bootconsole | 21:30 |
| jacekowski | partialy because of the way most of people implement them | 21:30 |
| Stskeeps | what you want access to is the serial pads, only interesting thing | 21:30 |
| jacekowski | Stskeeps: well, we do have access to serial pads | 21:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | serial==bootconsole | 21:30 |
| Stskeeps | got output yet? | 21:30 |
| jacekowski | yep | 21:31 |
| Stskeeps | k | 21:31 |
| jacekowski | http://pastebin.com/1KSPhECy | 21:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://pastebin.com/1KSPhECy | 21:31 |
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| Stskeeps | congrats :) | 21:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | Hail jacekowski | 21:31 |
| jacekowski | well, 10 minutes with scope | 21:31 |
| lcuk | :) indeed, well done guys | 21:31 |
| jacekowski | and another 10 with soldering iron to build simple level shifter | 21:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer | lcuk: half way there | 21:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | now we neeed RX | 21:32 |
| jacekowski | but there is that thing | 21:32 |
| jacekowski | [ 0.121] SMB138C: Not loading driver (version reg. 0x4b) | 21:32 |
| lcuk | sure DocScrutinizer, but every step taken takes you closer to having fully used capable system | 21:32 |
| jacekowski | and that SMB138C is very similiar to BQ24150 | 21:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | SMB138C | 21:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | mhm | 21:32 |
| lcuk | the n900 doesnt have as many unused bits as the n8x0 had | 21:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | there's [ 0.127] BQ24150 (rev. 3) found on I2C bus 1, address 0x6b in next line | 21:33 |
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| jacekowski | take a look at that | 21:33 |
| jacekowski | http://www.mail-archive.com/linux-omap@vger.kernel.org/msg14345.html | 21:33 |
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| jacekowski | [ 0.001] Nokia OMAP Loader v1.4.1 (Mar 25 2009) running on Nokia N00 S2.0 | 21:33 |
| jacekowski | (RX-51) | 21:33 |
| jacekowski | [ 0.002] Nokia OMAP Loader v1.4.14 (Apr 22 2010) running on Nokia N900 F5 (RX- | 21:34 |
| jacekowski | 51) | 21:34 |
| Stskeeps | heh, you never had a N00? ;p | 21:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | anyway, who of you would be interested in a set of fixture, levelshifter, battery/psu ? | 21:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | and how much would you be willing to pay for it? | 21:34 |
| jacekowski | i would be more interested in some sort of breakout box | 21:34 |
| Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: i think a 30 eur kit could be interesting | 21:34 |
| jacekowski | so i would have everything on easily accessible big terminals | 21:35 |
| Stskeeps | obviously i have a jig, but for others.. | 21:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: sorry, then I have to pay same on top for each set | 21:35 |
| iPeter- | hey, where is bootscreen manager from repos | 21:35 |
| jacekowski | Stskeeps: you have a jig? | 21:35 |
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| jacekowski | Stskeeps: where have you bought it? | 21:35 |
| X-Fade | lol :) | 21:35 |
| X-Fade | jacekowski: Stskeeps has an official hacker position ;) | 21:36 |
| Stskeeps | jacekowski: didn't buy, there's advantages to being maemo.org contractor and i have to have one to do my job :P | 21:36 |
| PaulyN900 | hey im in my car and realized that fm transmitter and charging dont work together any way around that? | 21:36 |
| Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: what do you consider a fair price? | 21:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | X-Fade: he went to the darlk side of the power | 21:36 |
| Stskeeps | i'm quite good on that side | 21:36 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 21:36 |
| jacekowski | who do you have to kill to became an official hacker | 21:36 |
| Stskeeps | well, besides selling my soul | 21:36 |
| X-Fade | DocScrutinizer: Yes, I meet Stskeeps there every oncein a while ;) | 21:36 |
| jacekowski | Stskeeps: so if your phone goes bad you can fix it then? | 21:37 |
| jacekowski | Stskeeps: i'll have couple things for you to test | 21:37 |
| Stskeeps | jacekowski: yeah and i do really nasty things to it at times. i can't fix nolo problems though, i believe | 21:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: dunno yet, need a BL-5C to kill, another one for powering, a levelshifter, and CNC-cut acrylic / pogopins etc | 21:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | a lot of these things get dramatically cheaper on numbers | 21:37 |
| luke-jr | grr | 21:38 |
| luke-jr | I think T-Mobile blocked my domain | 21:38 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: one original BL-5C to slaughter is ~25EUR | 21:39 |
| X-Fade | DocScrutinizer: Only for the terminals? | 21:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | will see if I get away with cheaper replicas | 21:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | X-Fade: yep | 21:39 |
| X-Fade | DocScrutinizer: Then a $2 one will do just fine :) | 21:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | X-Fade: possibly | 21:39 |
| X-Fade | DocScrutinizer: And you can even use almost any other nokia battery then too. | 21:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's why I can't say exact numbers. But CNC acrylic blocks alone aren't exactly an apple and an agg | 21:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer | egg* | 21:40 |
| Stskeeps | .. what kind of design do you expect to have? | 21:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | though get drastically cheaper if you get 50 instead if 5 | 21:41 |
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| DocScrutinizer | similar to FS-94 | 21:41 |
| Stskeeps | got a picture? | 21:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | at least I got a good photo :-P | 21:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep, in L3_4 | 21:42 |
| Stskeeps | you basically need something to attach to the battery pins, something hook-like can work, and then pins against the serial.. | 21:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | N900_RX51_SM_L3_4.pdf p.29 | 21:43 |
| Stskeeps | and a stable foundation to put this on .. and a hairban | 21:43 |
| Stskeeps | d | 21:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep | 21:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer | look at the photo in ServiceManual_L3_4 | 21:44 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, i recall it | 21:44 |
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| jacekowski | why most of nokia development/software engineering are in india | 21:45 |
| jacekowski | engineering jobs* | 21:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | or I register for a certified Nokia competence partner, and get the originals :-P | 21:45 |
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| DocScrutinizer | for ~100EUR I'd guess | 21:45 |
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| VDVsx | jacekowski, there's a lot of them in Finland as well :) | 21:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | google has ZERO hits for Nokia FS-94 | 21:46 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: take a look at FS-94 photo | 21:46 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: and pins | 21:47 |
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| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: these are probably serial pins | 21:47 |
| Stskeeps | lo TomaszD, still melting? | 21:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | I did, I did XP | 21:47 |
| jacekowski | so | 21:47 |
| jacekowski | one of them would be gnd - easy to find | 21:47 |
| jacekowski | and one would be RX | 21:47 |
| TomaszD | Stskeeps, hey | 21:47 |
| TomaszD | nah | 21:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: exactly | 21:48 |
| * luke-jr mutters | 21:48 | |
| * VDVsx is also melting :P | 21:48 | |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: beware: battery minus != GND!! | 21:48 |
| TomaszD | but going insane otherwise, not sure why | 21:49 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: i don't see where negative would be used in that phone | 21:49 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: and what would generate it | 21:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: uh? | 21:50 |
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| jacekowski | ah | 21:50 |
| jacekowski | nvm | 21:50 |
| jacekowski | you said battery minus | 21:50 |
| VDVsx | Stskeeps, met one of the guys that work in the adaptation team with you(can't remember the name :P) | 21:50 |
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| VDVsx | at akademy | 21:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: ust saying battery minus is not identical to general device GND level, there's RS in between | 21:51 |
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| Stskeeps | VDVsx: ah, Sage / Marko? | 21:52 |
| VDVsx | Stskeeps, exactly Sage :) | 21:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, I'll do a little gambling a say for 89EUR I can sell a set - fixture plus USB to lv-rs232, plus battery connector for original device bat for buffering, plus a simple charger to keep battery up on a comfy level | 21:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | maybe if UPS doesn't take 20 for shipping, I'll earn some 5 bucks per unit | 21:54 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: i would be more interested in just a breakout thingy | 21:54 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: without any electronics inside | 21:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | doesn't change things much. the expensive part is the mechanics | 21:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | the LV-RS232->USB is probably 5.99 | 21:55 |
| jacekowski | well, and it would have to have full set of connectors | 21:56 |
| jacekowski | for all pins | 21:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | can do | 21:57 |
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| DocScrutinizer | soldering n 3 pogopins isn't much simpler to doing it with 20 | 21:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | pogopins are ~80ct/unit, in single qty | 21:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | the PCB to solder them on is always same price | 21:58 |
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| DocScrutinizer | so add anothe 20 bucks and you get full set of contacts, even with 20cm wire attached | 22:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-P | 22:00 |
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| ZogG | DocScrutinizer, i need your german skills | 22:00 |
| fiferboy | lbt: Did a real-world test of Shopper last week | 22:01 |
| jacekowski | hande hoh | 22:01 |
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| trumee | hmm. | 22:07 |
| trumee | anybody knows what is $4 in mc-account set $acct string:local-ip-address=$4? | 22:08 |
| trumee | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1860 | 22:08 |
| povbot` | Bug 1860: Won't pass through VPN | 22:08 |
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| trumee | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1860#c29 | 22:08 |
| povbot` | Bug 1860: Won't pass through VPN | 22:08 |
| ZogG | DocScrutinizer, www.youtube.com/watch?v=iUcSkrRFXpM | 22:08 |
| trumee | i tried that shell script nokia.up and echoed $4 but it is a blank | 22:09 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ZogG: ? | 22:09 |
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| ZogG | DocScrutinizer translate please | 22:09 |
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| lbt | fiferboy: :) | 22:10 |
| trumee | anybody understand shell scripts :) | 22:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | ZogG: the very first time I'm really really happy my flash plugin update borked the audio of my desktop system for flash | 22:10 |
| luke-jr | trumee: who doesn't? | 22:11 |
| crashanddie | trumee: it's the fourth argument passed to the shell interpreter | 22:11 |
| ZogG | DocScrutinizer =( | 22:11 |
| fiferboy | lbt: Although I did end up with a bag of potato chips that was not on my list... | 22:11 |
| ZogG | trumee in russia scripts have to understand you | 22:11 |
| crashanddie | trumee: $* is all arguments, $1 is program name, $2 is first argument, $3 second, $4 is fourth | 22:11 |
| ZogG | ask RST38h | 22:11 |
| trumee | luke-jr: yup, but what is the fourth arguement being passed. i dont see any in https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1860#c29 | 22:11 |
| povbot` | Bug 1860: Won't pass through VPN | 22:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | crashanddie: err what? | 22:12 |
| crashanddie | trumee: $4 should equal string:proxy-host=vpn-host.example.com | 22:12 |
| crashanddie | trumee: woops, sorry, no | 22:13 |
| crashanddie | trumee: forget my previous line | 22:13 |
| trumee | crashanddie: this is simpler version https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1860#c44 | 22:13 |
| povbot` | Bug 1860: Won't pass through VPN | 22:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | trumee: $0 is progname | 22:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | $1 is first parameter | 22:14 |
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| crashanddie | DocScrutinizer: oh is it? | 22:14 |
| luke-jr | qqyes | 22:14 |
| luke-jr | yes* | 22:14 |
| trumee | crashanddie: does openvpn pass arguements to nokia.up script? | 22:15 |
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| crashanddie | ah yes, my bad, sorry for the confusion | 22:15 |
| trumee | because i dont see any arguement otherwise | 22:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | jr@halley:~> function xx { | 22:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | > echo $1 | 22:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | > echo $2 | 22:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | > echo $0 | 22:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | > } | 22:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | jr@halley:~> xx 1 2 3 | 22:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | 1 | 22:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | 2 | 22:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | /bin/bash | 22:15 |
| luke-jr | spammer | 22:17 |
| trumee | so anybody who has used vpn could please explain me https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1860#c44 | 22:17 |
| povbot` | Bug 1860: Won't pass through VPN | 22:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: yoh, sorry. should have replaced a few \n by ; | 22:19 |
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| alterego | Just disassembled and reassembled my Dell Mini 9, had to replace the LCD panel. | 22:19 |
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| alterego | Was quite nice, a bit time consuming but quite easy | 22:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~seen drgrov | 22:19 |
| infobot | drgrov <~C.J@a91-153-77-41.elisa-laajakaista.fi> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 21h 59m 7s ago, saying: 'luke-jr: I do tons of phone calls each day and I really depend on call forwarding to work since if I run out of battery it will nicely revert it to my work phone or vice versa'. | 22:19 |
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| kerio | is there a way to rightclick and middleclick with the vnc viewer? | 22:25 |
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| kerio | also, is there a way to rotate the view? | 22:26 |
| kerio | or to stretch it | 22:27 |
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| lbt | fiferboy: bug or feature? :D | 22:29 |
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| fiferboy | lbt: Feature! | 22:29 |
| sepultina | hello | 22:30 |
| * lbt adds "New feature: Blame shopper for randomly adding items to your list" | 22:30 | |
| sepultina | i can't dist-upgrade my n900 | 22:30 |
| alterego | sepultina: that's a bad idea anyway | 22:31 |
| sepultina | Error Output is: python2.5-minimal: Depends: pymaemo-optify but it is not going to be installed | 22:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer | sepultina: that's the reason why dist-upgrade is deprecated | 22:32 |
| sepultina | alterego: i use only apt for all. Is this so wrong? | 22:32 |
| alterego | Only really bad for dist-upgrade really. | 22:32 |
| alterego | It wont work. | 22:32 |
| alterego | Or if it doesn, it might not work properly. | 22:32 |
| alterego | s/doesn/does/ | 22:33 |
| infobot | alterego meant: Or if it does, it might not work properly. | 22:33 |
| jacekowski | hmmm | 22:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: is the picture of FS-94 in line with what you founf for serial-pads? | 22:34 |
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| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: yes | 22:34 |
| jacekowski | that's why i mentioned it | 22:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-) | 22:34 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Hacking#Debug_ports | 22:34 |
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| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: i've added all info there | 22:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | just got a headache parsing it :-D | 22:38 |
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| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: what means "According to my measurements with DMM (Digital Multi Meter) the following pads are ground" ? What did you do and read exactly for a pad to qualify for GND? | 22:41 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: that's not mine | 22:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | ooh | 22:41 |
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| jacekowski | SpeedEvil: is that you? | 22:42 |
| SpeedEvil | no | 22:42 |
| SpeedEvil | wajt | 22:42 |
| SpeedEvil | oh | 22:43 |
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| SpeedEvil | I have not touched my devices pads with a DMM | 22:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | rambo | 22:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://wiki.maemo.org/index.php?title=N900_Hardware_Hacking&diff=36478&oldid=35583 | 22:43 |
| jacekowski | i've added signature under mine | 22:44 |
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| DocScrutinizer | EHLO SpeedEvil | 22:44 |
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| jacekowski | 502 error command not recogized | 22:45 |
| jacekowski | recognized* | 22:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | nah, now is blue hour. best hour of the day | 22:45 |
| jacekowski | blue? | 22:45 |
| jacekowski | well, i could take my phone apart and do some more accurate measurments | 22:46 |
| jacekowski | and i could probably xray it | 22:47 |
| jacekowski | on proper electronics xray | 22:47 |
| jacekowski | but that would probably void warranty | 22:47 |
| jacekowski | i'll make a call tomorrow | 22:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | and maybe erase flash and depolarize microphone electrete membrane | 22:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer | xray isn't that harmless to electrnics as it is to humans ;-P | 22:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer | also believe me you'll get mad on 6..8 layer PCB | 22:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer | there's been a mad dentist on tmo who alrady did xray shots | 22:52 |
| SpeedEvil | Simply sand the PCB lightly, and then take a photo. Repeat until all the way through | 22:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's the russian way | 22:52 |
| SpeedEvil | (may void warranty more than xray) | 22:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | they copied zilog Z80 this way | 22:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | and en passant found 16 new undocumented commands, while REing the silicon | 22:53 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ok, they did the 'photos' with a electron microscope | 22:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | nah, the 'industry standard' procedure for this is to unsolder all components and place the PCB on a nailbed tester | 22:55 |
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| Smeghead | How do i create subfolders where i have all the programs etc? | 22:56 |
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| Smeghead | And move stuff there? | 22:56 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: hmmm, we have jtag | 22:57 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: well, there should be jtag | 22:57 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: are jtag pins shared with gpio pins? | 22:58 |
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| jacekowski | if yes then we can use boundary scan | 22:58 |
| jacekowski | and get everything | 22:58 |
| * Arkenoi had never seen russian z80, all russian hardware had imported z80 cpus | 22:58 | |
| DocScrutinizer | Smeghead: check out apmefo application | 22:58 |
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| Arkenoi | there was russian made i8080 which was pretty widespread | 22:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: obviously nope. you can't have dual function on JTAG | 22:59 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: you can | 22:59 |
| Smeghead | n900 nub i have the maemo repository added can i find it under application managedr? | 22:59 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: avr's do have dual function | 22:59 |
| jacekowski | Arkenoi: these were made in polan | 22:59 |
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| jacekowski | poland* | 22:59 |
| jacekowski | Arkenoi: in CEMI | 22:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: yes you can, but then you can't JTAG that GPIO | 22:59 |
| kerio | i JTAGed her GPIO | 23:00 |
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| RST38h | Arkenoi: GDR made U280, that was a Z80 clone | 23:00 |
| Roaziel | Hi everyone. Is it possibl for the N900 to share its internet connection with a PC via USB or possibly even bluetooth (preferable USB)? I ask because my wireless card broke and Im too far from my router to pull a cable, but my N900 can connect just fine. | 23:00 |
| RST38h | Arkenoi: USSR also made Z80s at the end | 23:00 |
| Smeghead | thats just mumbojumbo to me can you be more specific :) | 23:00 |
| jacekowski | Roaziel: not with stock kernel | 23:00 |
| jacekowski | Roaziel: but power kernel can do it | 23:00 |
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| Roaziel | Im sorry. I dont even know what that is -_- | 23:01 |
| kerio | Roaziel: yeah | 23:01 |
| RST38h | Arkenoi: I do not remember the series, it was something like K1819 or K1826 | 23:01 |
| kerio | install the power kernel, set up USB networking, enable ip forwarding, and tell your OS to use the n900 as the gateway | 23:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | Smeghead: go wiki.maemo.org, learn about extras-testing and extras-devel repos. read and *understand* the warnings. Add repos, apmefo is in devel afaik | 23:01 |
| kerio | it *should* work | 23:01 |
| Arkenoi | RST38h, hmm, i've seen some Robotron's dissected and all had Zilog CPUs inside | 23:01 |
| SpeedEvil | Roaziel: you can also simply tether using the phone, like any other phone.This is not sharing the internet connection though, it's using the phone as a modem | 23:02 |
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| jacekowski | Arkenoi: but after communism fell government decided to get rid of everything and that's how CEMI was just closed | 23:02 |
| Smeghead | thanks | 23:02 |
| Roaziel | tether? | 23:02 |
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| RST38h | Arkenoi: Does not exclude their own production | 23:02 |
| SpeedEvil | Roaziel: What OS are you using, and can you easily plugin a 3G dongle, and have it work? | 23:03 |
| jacekowski | Arkenoi: it's not that hard to copy a chip | 23:03 |
| SpeedEvil | If you can, then you can simply connect the n900 in the same way if you click 'pc suite' mode when you plug it in | 23:03 |
| jacekowski | Arkenoi: you just need FIB workstation | 23:03 |
| Roaziel | I have Windows 7... and I have no idea since Ive never tried | 23:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Arkenoi: later the ebargo was a lil bit lifted, when Z80 became obsolete. So imported chips were cheaper | 23:04 |
| Arkenoi | jacekowski, the most complicated one made by Soviets was i386 clone that did never get to mass production | 23:04 |
| RST38h | jacekowski: how many chips have you copied? | 23:04 |
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| jacekowski | none | 23:04 |
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| RST38h | I see | 23:04 |
| jacekowski | i just roughly know how it's done | 23:04 |
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| jacekowski | and if you have equipment and time it's easy | 23:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Roaziel: connect N900, select "PC mode" from menu on N900. Set ub GPRS-modem in windows | 23:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer | set up* | 23:06 |
| * Roaziel Googles | 23:06 | |
| SpeedEvil | jacekowski: modulo the size of the chip. A large chip is neither cheap nor easy tosetup the masks for | 23:06 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: i've made a call and i can get somebody to make a photos with proper electronics inspection x-ray | 23:06 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: problem is that he's on far far north | 23:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | Roaziel: just go ahead! google when something is unclear :-D | 23:07 |
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| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: keep it under 40keV | 23:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer | iirc | 23:08 |
| Roaziel | I did :P | 23:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | you might want to google for energy of xray that erases flash | 23:08 |
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| jacekowski | well, there is one electronics place in town | 23:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: for the mic I think it's maybe no electret anymode, since it got digital | 23:09 |
| jacekowski | and they might have x-ray as well | 23:10 |
| Roaziel | My Googling results in only a pages on how to set up GPRS-modem on MAC computers :S | 23:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Roaziel: I'm a total windoze noob, but aiui you'll see some wizard on windows on plugging in N900 in PC suite mode | 23:11 |
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| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: electret microphones are out of use for very long time | 23:11 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: it's all capacitive now | 23:11 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: at least the cheaper ones | 23:11 |
| Arkenoi | i guess you need also enable ip forwarding and set up iptables nat on n900 to get internet connection shared | 23:12 |
| ioan | hi. is there a way to connect with n900 to a dialup internet provider? | 23:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: orly? I have a few devices here, about 18 months old, which are equipped with electret | 23:12 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: srsly? | 23:12 |
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| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: oO | 23:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer | srsly, I "built" them | 23:12 |
| Macer | ok | 23:12 |
| Macer | this forca app | 23:12 |
| Roaziel | Doc, actually it just poped up a notification and installed drivers and stuff and it was done.... | 23:12 |
| jacekowski | hmmm, nvm | 23:12 |
| Macer | i don't think their weather is accurate | 23:12 |
| Roaziel | went smoothly | 23:13 |
| jacekowski | i was thinking that electret is resistive | 23:13 |
| jacekowski | electret is capacitive | 23:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Roaziel: so probably you got a new internet connection now | 23:13 |
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| b-man17 | spam | 23:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | b-man17: huh? | 23:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | maps | 23:14 |
| b-man17 | hm O_O | 23:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | what spam? | 23:14 |
| MohammadAG_ | DocScrutinizer, well, that's what happens when you trick someone into using /wallchan | 23:15 |
| b-man17 | MohammadAG told me to type /wallchan spam in #xceleo | 23:15 |
| MohammadAG_ | XDDD | 23:15 |
| xnt14 | lol | 23:15 |
| kerio | what's wallchan? | 23:15 |
| MohammadAG_ | sends a message to all channels | 23:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | LOL | 23:15 |
| kerio | all the currently joined channels? | 23:15 |
| kerio | or *all* the channels? | 23:15 |
| lbt | almost impossible to tell from the name ... <rolleyes> | 23:15 |
| * xnt14 considers himself lucky that he's running irssi atm :P | 23:16 | |
| MohammadAG_ | all joined channels | 23:16 |
| kerio | oh | 23:16 |
| kerio | boring | 23:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~attack MohammadAG_ | 23:16 |
| kerio | :( | 23:16 |
| * infobot grabs a pen, screams like she's possessed, and begins chasing MohammadAG_ | 23:16 | |
| xnt14 | ~kill MohammadAG_ | 23:16 |
| * infobot shoots a ionized anti-positrino gun at MohammadAG_ | 23:16 | |
| xnt14 | hmm | 23:16 |
| Roaziel | I highly doubt I have a new internet connection... | 23:16 |
| MohammadAG_ | actually | 23:16 |
| b-man17 | ~wallchan | 23:16 |
| MohammadAG_ | wallchan sends the message to all channels on all servers | 23:16 |
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| b-man17 | infobot: wallchan sends the message to all channels on all servers | 23:17 |
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| b-man17 | guess you need +o to tell infobot stuff ;P | 23:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer | b-man17: nah, you need secret master wisdom | 23:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | and a 12 dan | 23:18 |
| b-man17 | heh | 23:18 |
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| Arkenoi | btw is there dhcpd for n900? or even a package with nice gui that makes it listen on usb interface by default? | 23:18 |
| MohammadAG_ | you need a , not a : | 23:18 |
| MohammadAG_ | infobot, b-man17 | 23:18 |
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| kerio | Arkenoi: just set up a static IP address | 23:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~wallchan | 23:19 |
| Roaziel | Hold on hold on.... This "Tethering" thing.. does it mean that it would be using the 2G connection on my phone?? Cos I cant do that, thats slow and expensive... I wanna share the wifi connection my phone has already with the wireless router we have... | 23:19 |
| infobot | wallchan sends the message to all channels on all servers | 23:19 |
| kerio | i think that should work | 23:19 |
| kerio | you need to enable NAT | 23:19 |
| kerio | unless... | 23:20 |
| kerio | you can enable bridging | 23:20 |
| Arkenoi | kerio: well, that's simple, but if you use more than one computer and sometimes not yours dhcpd would be better | 23:20 |
| kerio | you need to install drivers | 23:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | kerio: forget that | 23:20 |
| kerio | and set up a network interface | 23:20 |
| kerio | at that point, i assume you *are* root | 23:20 |
| Arkenoi | Roaziel, you may share any connection | 23:20 |
| Roaziel | If I had a second computer I would use it to bridge the connection. But I dont. I just have my N900... | 23:20 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer: what? | 23:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | Roaziel: that's really complicated and probably you don't want to do it | 23:21 |
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| Savago | Good afternoon. I'm trying to install libqjson as a normal user would do (by clicking in the file in file browser). But I'm getting "Unable to install, incompatible application package". I googled to no avail for this issue. Anyone could give some clues? | 23:21 |
| Roaziel | I just want my computer to be able to get internet access through my phones wifi connection. | 23:21 |
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| Roaziel | ... if its possible | 23:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Roaziel: that's really complicated and probably you don't want to do it | 23:22 |
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| Roaziel | lol | 23:22 |
| Roaziel | damnit | 23:22 |
| MohammadAG_ | why does Windows's DHCP fail so much | 23:22 |
| MohammadAG_ | why does Windows fail so much | 23:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | why does windows | 23:23 |
| ShadowJK | Roaziel, so you have two wifi networks? | 23:23 |
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| Roaziel | what?.. no. I have one wifi network | 23:23 |
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| ShadowJK | Roaziel, so you have a wifi network, but your computer can't access it? | 23:23 |
| xnt14 | MohammadAG_: windows fails at DNS for me... -_- | 23:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | Roaziel: get a 10$ wifi dongle for USB, and smile | 23:23 |
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| Roaziel | Something like that, yes... | 23:24 |
| Roaziel | I can use my wifi card | 23:24 |
| Roaziel | *cant | 23:24 |
| ShadowJK | Why not? | 23:24 |
| Roaziel | ... Because :P | 23:24 |
| Roaziel | lol | 23:24 |
| MohammadAG_ | xnt14, windows fails for me | 23:24 |
| xnt14 | it can't find the dns server, this is why I hate the network manager... | 23:24 |
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| MohammadAG_ | I'm in a good mood to cp * on my windows drive and mkfs.ext4 the whole drive | 23:24 |
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| xnt14 | MohammadAG_: Microsoft fails in general | 23:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | windows has this crap called err - freud knows why I don't | 23:25 |
| MohammadAG_ | hmm | 23:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | zeroconf? nooo | 23:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer | avahi!!! >:-(( | 23:25 |
| technomike | Hey guys | 23:25 |
| MohammadAG_ | the wifi thin g? | 23:25 |
| kerio | nah, zeroconf is osx's | 23:25 |
| MohammadAG_ | thing | 23:25 |
| ShadowJK | hm, default N900 kernel has no bridge or bridgeutils | 23:25 |
| technomike | Anyone know how I can connect to my dedi servers' SSH using my N900 x-term | 23:26 |
| ShadowJK | technomike, install openssh, open x-terminal, type "ssh user@dediserv" | 23:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | technomike: ssh technokike@dedi.com | 23:26 |
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| technomike | many thanks guys | 23:26 |
| technomike | I was typing that without installing openssh first! :P | 23:27 |
| kerio | Roaziel: if you're ok with using a proxy, ssh -D $port root@192.168.2.15 | 23:27 |
| Roaziel | o0 | 23:27 |
| kerio | it'll open a SOCKS proxy on localhost:$port | 23:27 |
| Roaziel | whats that? | 23:27 |
| kerio | (from your computer) | 23:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | kerio: you're *evil* | 23:27 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer: what? | 23:28 |
| kerio | :o | 23:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | kerio: please try to understand level / skills of the person you give advice to | 23:28 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer: he bought a n900 | 23:28 |
| * Roaziel doesnt do it cos it sounds suspicious o_O | 23:28 | |
| ShadowJK | he'd need to setup usb networking too | 23:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm, yup. So go ahead :-P | 23:29 |
| kerio | if he can't mildly RTFM from a wiki, he should sell it asap | 23:29 |
| kerio | Roaziel: http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_USB_networking | 23:29 |
| kerio | first get a working link between computer and n900 | 23:29 |
| kerio | then we'll think about going outside of that | 23:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | next month | 23:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-D | 23:30 |
| Roaziel | hmm, ok | 23:30 |
| jacekowski | i'll have speak to people at local uni | 23:30 |
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| kerio | DocScrutinizer: in all seriousness though | 23:31 |
| kerio | the n900 is *definetely* not a phone for lusers | 23:31 |
| * DocScrutinizer ducks | 23:31 | |
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| Roaziel | -_- | 23:32 |
| kerio | Roaziel: ever used linux? | 23:32 |
| kerio | please tell me you did | 23:32 |
| Roaziel | very little | 23:32 |
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| kerio | hrmpf | 23:32 |
| Myrtti | be nice | 23:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer | kerio: see what I meant | 23:32 |
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| Roaziel | N900 is the only phone I know of that has full flash support in its browser and a contact application that spans so well. Thats why I like it... plus the multitasking is neat. | 23:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | kerio: that's not exactly helpful in any way | 23:33 |
| ShadowJK | Well, whether it's for "lusers" or not is kinda irrelevant, as what he wants to do is way beyond the usual use profile :) | 23:33 |
| strcpy | Any comments on how to dial/send sms through terminal ,on N900 ? | 23:33 |
| kerio | Roaziel: once you have a working network link between computer and n900, you need to find a way to use the n900's connection to the 'net from the computer | 23:33 |
| lcuk | isnt there a paid for wifi hotspot app | 23:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | kerio: or simply... | 23:34 |
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| lcuk | that just turn on and connect to from any other wifi device | 23:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | Roaziel: that's really complicated and probably you don't want to do it | 23:34 |
| * lcuk remembers seeing something | 23:34 | |
| Roaziel | lol | 23:34 |
| MohammadAG51 | joikuspot | 23:34 |
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| kerio | lcuk: he doesn't want to use the data connection | 23:34 |
| lcuk | thanks MohammadAG51 | 23:34 |
| kerio | he wants to use the wifi connection | 23:34 |
| kerio | and mobilehotspot > joikuspot | 23:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | over USB | 23:35 |
| jacekowski | hmm, some jtag pins are dual mode | 23:35 |
| jacekowski | jtag_emu0 | 23:35 |
| jacekowski | useless | 23:35 |
| lcuk | kerio, joikuspot will turn n900 into an AP to connect normally i think | 23:35 |
| * DocScrutinizer sighs | 23:35 | |
| kerio | lcuk: that's not the point here | 23:35 |
| MohammadAG51 | and a heater | 23:35 |
| lcuk | whichever app it bloody is, its a use case people pay to have | 23:35 |
| kerio | it's not that use case! | 23:35 |
| kerio | he wants to use the n900 as a wifi adapter | 23:35 |
| lcuk | kerio, actually, what i just read was: | 23:35 |
| lcuk | <Roaziel> I just want my computer to be able to get internet access through my phones wifi connection. | 23:35 |
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| lcuk | <Roaziel> ... if its possible | 23:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | lcuk: using N900 as a wifi dongle is a rather pointless usecase anyway | 23:36 |
| lcuk | which sounds pretty much like what i just described | 23:36 |
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| ShadowJK | lcuk, he wants to do computer - usb - N900 - wifi - internet. Joikuspot/MobileHotSpot does: computer - wifi - n900 - gsm/3g - internet | 23:37 |
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| lcuk | ok, hes screwed - sorrt Roaziel take their advice ;) its difficult | 23:38 |
| technomike | Yeah, many people ask for that feature | 23:38 |
| ShadowJK | Why would you use a $600 phone to do the job of a $10 usb wifi adapter... | 23:38 |
| ShadowJK | :/ | 23:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | [2010-07-14 22:23:58] <DocScrutinizer> Roaziel: get a 10$ wifi dongle for USB, and smile | 23:38 |
| technomike | Hahaha true | 23:38 |
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| kerio | ShadowJK: it's a pretty kickass USB dongle | 23:39 |
| lcuk | this is linux: do not ask WHY someone should do something | 23:39 |
| kerio | with an optional software firewall | 23:39 |
| ShadowJK | lol | 23:39 |
| lcuk | the normal answer is because we can :P | 23:39 |
| kerio | it's definetely possible | 23:39 |
| lcuk | this time, it will take a ninja! | 23:39 |
| kerio | quite easily, if you accept a bit of compromise | 23:39 |
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| ShadowJK | Yes it's possible, but you need a kernel with bridging support, and you need bridge utils, and you need usb networking :P | 23:40 |
| kerio | doesn't iptables do that? | 23:40 |
| kerio | :( | 23:40 |
| Roaziel | someone should definitely do it :P | 23:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | kerio: build a package, direct Roaziel to the URL to download :-P | 23:40 |
| Roaziel | lol | 23:40 |
| ShadowJK | kerio, well iptables will do if you insert NAT into the picture somewhere :) | 23:40 |
| kerio | Roaziel: after long considerations, we came to the conclusion that you should buy a 10€ usb/wifi dongle | 23:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | kerio: don't preach latin here, please | 23:41 |
| Roaziel | Meh... ok. Thanks :P | 23:41 |
| technomike | If you had to choose one app, what app is your favourite on N900 / Maemo | 23:42 |
| jacekowski | x-term | 23:42 |
| kerio | Roaziel: my advice would be to RTFM though | 23:42 |
| lcuk | technomike, gcc | 23:42 |
| kerio | learn how to do it | 23:42 |
| kerio | learn how to make it easy | 23:42 |
| kerio | make a software to automate it | 23:42 |
| kerio | distribute it | 23:42 |
| kerio | get rich and famous | 23:42 |
| jacekowski | lcuk: do you really run compiler on the phone? | 23:42 |
| kerio | or possibly just famous | 23:42 |
| kerio | or maybe not even that | 23:42 |
| lcuk | jacekowski, have done since n810 days, why? | 23:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | kerio: you'll get famous by those (last) words on IRC :-P | 23:43 |
| jacekowski | well, i upgraded my old server to 4 core xeon beast | 23:43 |
| jacekowski | because compilation took too long | 23:43 |
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| lcuk | jacekowski, so, running make on most of my projects takes ~3-20seconds | 23:44 |
| lcuk | well within frustration time | 23:44 |
| jacekowski | http://jacekowski.org/cgi-bin/monitorix.cgi?mode=localhost&graph=all&when=day&color=black | 23:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: you'll probably not want to build OOo on N900 | 23:44 |
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| MohammadAG_ | ubuntu is so going downhill | 23:44 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer: some would say that you don't want to build OOo anywhere | 23:44 |
| kerio | :P | 23:44 |
| MohammadAG_ | lucid's like the vista of ubuntu | 23:44 |
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| jacekowski | well, it takes less than 20 minutes to build chromium on my server ( faster than maemo.org builder ) | 23:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG_: ooh, didn't know it could get any lower | 23:44 |
| lcuk | jacekowski, yeah it would, probably take about a week on n900 | 23:45 |
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| jacekowski | do you have sources? | 23:45 |
| jacekowski | i mean compilable sources | 23:45 |
| lcuk | jacekowski, i dont want them | 23:45 |
| jacekowski | and i think it would have a problem | 23:45 |
| MohammadAG_ | DocScrutinizer, I can only use vesa to start X on lucid on my lappy | 23:45 |
| jacekowski | oo.o requires a lot of memory | 23:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG_: is it normal when my invitation already has my garage pubkey? | 23:45 |
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| lcuk | jacekowski, we have ~600mhz processor, probably more computing power than what took man to the moon | 23:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | probably? PROBABLY?? | 23:47 |
| MohammadAG_ | probably | 23:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | you know about their 'computers'? | 23:47 |
| kerio | they used c64s | 23:47 |
| kerio | or something like that | 23:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | it had the power of a programmable pocket calculator (maybe TI) of ~1980 | 23:48 |
| MohammadAG_ | DocScrutinizer, hmm, problem seems similar to this https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/+source/linux/+bug/566379 | 23:48 |
| MohammadAG_ | DocScrutinizer, oh and the invitation is tied to the garage account | 23:49 |
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| asj_ | DocScrutinizer: TI!?!?!?!? that's not a calculator ;) | 23:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer | yep, but I wonder why they ask for my pubkey which is already there | 23:49 |
| asj_ | HP now they made calculators | 23:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer | asj_: ACK! | 23:49 |
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| * DocScrutinizer drools over his HP42 app on N900 and Freerunner | 23:50 | |
| MohammadAG_ | DocScrutinizer, default template stuff? you need the pubkey for dput | 23:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | though HP's keys were much much better | 23:50 |
| jacekowski | hmm, phoenix require drivers to install | 23:50 |
| jacekowski | that's evil | 23:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm, let's see | 23:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: evil hAxx0r | 23:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer | If only I could get my ass up to do some simple lines of shellscript. But it's tooooo hot | 23:52 |
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| kerio | DocScrutinizer: your ass does shell scripting? | 23:52 |
| kerio | what a smart ass! | 23:53 |
| kerio | >:P | 23:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah, even at night when I'm asleep | 23:53 |
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| DocScrutinizer | now that few lines are really so simple evem my smart ass can do | 23:53 |
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| DocScrutinizer | seeya, need a cofe and 5L icewater | 23:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | coffee | 23:55 |
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| MohammadAG | yay, my graphics chipset finally works in lucid :D | 23:57 |
| MohammadAG | now I can offload X off of my CPU (was using vesa) | 23:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | ubuntu MohammadAG | 23:58 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ~ubuntu MohammadAG | 23:59 |
| * infobot lovingly explains to MohammadAG in a way that causes MohammadAG to weep with gratitude that MohammadAG must read the fine, friendly manual | 23:59 | |
| DocScrutinizer | even | 23:59 |
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| MohammadAG | ~debian DocScrutinizer | 23:59 |
| * infobot tells DocScrutinizer to RTFM!!!! GAH!!! HELL FIRE AND BRIMSTONE!!!! BURN!!! DIE!!! MWAHAHAHAHA!!!! | 23:59 | |
| DocScrutinizer | or just | 23:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~ubuntu | 23:59 |
| infobot | i heard ubuntu is caca from this ass http://img394.imageshack.us/img394/3843/18427557718e22857e9rb.jpg | 23:59 |
| jacekowski | ehhh, that dongle in phoenix is sooo lame | 23:59 |
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