IRC log of #maemo for Wednesday, 2010-07-14

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luke-jrStskeeps: nope, it doesn't...00:01
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luke-jrthat is, flasher 3.5 can't change boot params either00:02
jacekowskinothing can00:02
jacekowskiit's hardcoded iirc00:02
luke-jrjacekowski: can you build PR1.2-compat kernels? :D00:03
jacekowskiwhat do you mean by pr1.2 compat kernel00:03
jacekowskiit's just a normal kerne00:03
jacekowskiwith all nokia modules00:03
luke-jrjacekowski: LOL, no it isn't00:03
luke-jranyhow, I mean something that can boot Maemo00:04
jacekowskiwell, yeah00:04
luke-jrin my attempting to debug why my own kernels won't boot, I broke /sbin/preinit00:04
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luke-jrto recover, I need a working kernel that uses /sbin/preinit.orig00:04
luke-jrcould you make me one please? :)00:04
jacekowskisomething like that00:04
jacekowskithat can be done00:04
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luke-jrjacekowski: ty :D00:05
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luke-jrjacekowski: also, I'm not sure it's necessary, but I *might* need bootreason hard-coded to pwr_key00:06
luke-jrI can't seem to find a way to boot with power-key and also load a kernel over USB00:06
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lbtDrGrov: ask here....00:11
luke-jrjacekowski: I'm waiting on you, correct? or do I need to give more info?00:12
DrGrovSo, I do find that the call forwarding on the N900 should be addressed quite rapidly. Feels like a high-end device like the N900 should support call forwarding by default without any playing around with config files nor having to do much of anything to get it working. Even a 20 € regular cell phone has a working call forwarding that just works, plain and simple. Does it really have to get this difficult on such a technically advanced phon00:13
DrGrove/tablet ?00:13
luke-jrDrGrov: it doesn't work?00:14
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lbtDrGrov: Issues like this are usually dealt with by reporting a bug.00:15
DrGrovlbt: and what happens when I report a bug? Nothing much perhaps?00:16
lbtit often seems that way :)00:16
ShadowJKI vaguely remember a call forwarding app, so that suggests someone thought the included call forwarding doesn't work00:16
luke-jrDrGrov: in theory, the people who fix bugs looks at it00:16
DrGrovShadowJK: That is what I mean00:16
lbtbut I think it is just that we don't see the work going on behind the scenes00:16
DrGrovIt should be there by default and no need to jump around in the phone and installing things00:16
luke-jrDrGrov: call forwarding isn't exactly a standard feature00:17
DrGrovluke-jr: yes, in theory I can agree but in practice even?00:17
DrGrovluke-jr: call forwarding not a standard feature? may I ask that when were you born and have not seen call fowarding??00:17
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luke-jrDrGrov: I was born in 1985. I recently noted a lack of call forwarding on my wife's standard cellular service.00:18
jacekowskiluke-jr: done almost00:18
jacekowskiluke-jr: but00:18
* ShadowJK shrugs00:18
jacekowskiif your phone will explode/melt/do anything00:19
jacekowskidon't blame it on me00:19
luke-jrjacekowski: hehe, ok00:19
DrGrovluke-jr: I do find call forwarding to be a absolute must on any phone.00:19
luke-jrDrGrov: the only time I can see it as useful is people who want Google Voice voicemail...\00:19
jacekowskiit should work and ignore init option00:20
jacekowskiand run preinit.orig instead00:20
ShadowJKOne problem with bugs is that bugs are only behaviours that deviate from the intended/designed, so if the design spec says call forwarding should work exactly the way it does now, then it's not a bug, but a feature request ;p00:20
DrGrovluke-jr: I do tons of phone calls each day and I really depend on call forwarding to work since if I run out of battery it will nicely revert it to my work phone or vice versa00:20
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andre__DrGrov, what's the issue with call forwarding currently?00:21
luke-jrjacekowski: doesn't seem to work :(00:21
jacekowskiluke-jr: what's the problem?00:21
luke-jrjacekowski: no idea, no fbcon00:21
luke-jrit just reboots after N seconds00:21
Macerstill watching bleach00:21
jacekowskiget it into r&d mode00:22
luke-jrit is00:22
jacekowskiwatchdog disabled?00:22
jacekowskiand lifeguard restart?00:22
luke-jrhow do I do that? :P00:22
jacekowskiwith r&d flags00:22
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luke-jrstill no-go00:24
luke-jrfbcon variant? :)00:24
jacekowskiand nothing on the screen?00:24
luke-jrNOKIA logo, R&D icon, kernel version etc00:24
luke-jr'no initfs \o/'00:25
luke-jrafter it rebooted, now it's just sitting there00:25
luke-jrno reboot, but no progress either00:25
Macerwtf. when did everybody in bleach learn how to fly around?00:25
jacekowskiwell, that's coming from preinit00:25
jacekowskilet me just check something00:26
luke-jrfbcon I think will help debug00:26
luke-jrespecially now that it isn't rebooting00:27
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jacekowskireal    2m31.820s00:34
jacekowskiuser    7m57.694s00:34
jacekowskisys     0m28.030s00:34
jacekowskiluke-jr: same address00:34
luke-jrit's trying to use /sbin/preinit00:35
luke-jrnot /sbin/preinit.orig00:35
jacekowskihow do you know that?00:35
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luke-jrmy /sbin/preinit problem is that I rm /dev/console :)00:35
luke-jrand it's complaining about failing to open it00:35
jacekowskiwhere do you see that it's trying to run that /sbin/preinit?00:36
luke-jrif it wasn't, I wouldn't get a console error00:36
luke-jrsince /dev/console would exist00:37
SpeedEvilMacer: that's not a bleach thing - in japan everyone can fly.00:37
luke-jr...assuming a dynamic /dev :|00:37
jacekowskinah, it's not dynamic at that stage00:37
luke-jrI fail00:37
luke-jrok, how about another approach...00:37
luke-jrcompile-in ext2 support, and try to boot /sbin/init on root=/dev/mmcblk0p5 ?00:38
jacekowskiwhat is complaining btw00:38
luke-jrno, something in preinit I think00:38
jacekowskithat can be fixed00:38
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luke-jrmaybe just init=/bin/sh even actually00:39
luke-jrexcept I probably won't be able to load a keymap with digits00:39
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jacekowskigive me a sec00:39
jacekowskisame file00:42
jacekowskithat might work00:42
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jacekowskihmm maybe no00:43
jacekowskitry it00:43
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luke-jrwhat was that supposed to do00:45
jacekowskicreate /dev/console00:46
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jacekowskiany specific message00:46
jacekowskior what?00:47
luke-jrthe final msg is always "Kernel panic - not syncing: Attempted to kill init!"00:48
jacekowskithat's ok00:48
jacekowskinow try the previous one00:48
luke-jrbootup reason in log says usb00:48
jacekowskii mean, previous kernel00:48
DocScrutinizerZogG: ping MohammadAG51 :-)00:49
luke-jrjacekowski: same00:49
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MohammadAG51shush :P00:49
luke-jrjacekowski: maybe init=/bin/sh >00:49
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jacekowskisame address agan00:51
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luke-jrnope :|00:52
luke-jris 2.6.28 too old for devtmpfs?00:53
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luke-jrroot=/dev/mmcblk0p5 init=/sbin/init00:53
jacekowskitry this one00:54
luke-jrno-go; what was that?00:54
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MacerSpeedEvil: hahha!00:55
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luke-jrjacekowski: ? root=/dev/mmcblk0p5 init=/sbin/init00:56
jacekowskijust a sec00:56
luke-jrjacekowski: also, I suspect I know why your create-devconsole one failed: /dev/console exists, but it's not a device node00:57
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jacekowskiluke-jr: now00:58
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luke-jrjacekowski: can't open root blah blah01:00
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luke-jrjacekowski: need ext2 compiled in01:00
luke-jrrootfstype=ext2 also possibly01:00
luke-jrsince Maemo's kernel never detects it right01:01
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luke-jrinit=/sbin/init root=/dev/mmcblk0p5 rootfstype=ext2 console=tty0 snd-soc-rx51.hp_lim=42 snd-soc-tlv320aic3x.hp_dac_lim=601:03
luke-jrmaybe make init=/bin/sh since I don't have fstab configured...01:03
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jacekowskiluke-jr: try now01:03
luke-jrhrm, still nope ;(01:04
luke-jrI wonder if the kernel calls it mmcblk0p501:04
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jacekowskiwell, it has to exist in /dev01:05
luke-jrfor the kernel?01:05
jacekowskikernel has builtin small initrd01:05
jacekowskiwith that kind of shit01:05
jacekowskiare you downloading it over http?01:06
jacekowskiare you sure that you don't have some proxy there?01:06
ShadowJKin normal maemo bootup /dev/mmc* dosn't exist at preinit time01:06
luke-jrnormal cmdline has root=ubi0:rootfs :P01:06
jacekowski *<---->1) device number in hexadecimal>represents itself01:07
jacekowski *<---->2) /dev/nfs represents Root_NFS (0xff)01:07
jacekowski *<---->3) /dev/<disk_name> represents the device number of disk01:07
jacekowski *<---->4) /dev/<disk_name><decimal> represents the device number01:07
jacekowski *         of partition - device number of disk plus the partition number01:07
jacekowski *<---->5) /dev/<disk_name>p<decimal> - same as the above, that form is01:07
jacekowski *<---->   used when disk name of partitioned disk ends on a digit.01:07
ShadowJKluke-jr: btw, next time make a with mv preinit.orig preinit ;)01:07
ShadowJKor similar for whatever you've modded01:08
luke-jrShadowJK: preinit is pre-bootmenu too01:08
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ShadowJKoh oops.01:08
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luke-jrjacekowski: can you be bothered to throw a busybox into an embedded initramfs and boot into that? :/01:09
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jacekowskii can't find static busybox01:20
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luke-jrjacekowski: think one from N810 would work? XD01:29
luke-jrwill need to rebuild it to make it static, but... <.<01:30
jacekowskii have one now01:30
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Abhi_hello everyone01:32
Abhi_is this maemo developers room01:32
mortiniSometimes not. But, generally maemo related.01:33
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Abhi_then for most of the times?01:33
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Abhi_okay... so its same for Meego01:33
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jacekowskiAbhi_: #maemo-devel01:35
jacekowskiluke-jr: try now01:35
Abhi_So future versions will be of Maemo only or it will come under the name as Meego01:36
Abhi_thank you jace01:36
jacekowskiluke-jr: does it work?01:37
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luke-jrjacekowski: no :(01:43
luke-jrjacekowski: no :(01:43
luke-jrfloods something about /dev/tty*01:44
jacekowskiwhat is exactly the message?01:44
luke-jrinit: can't log to /dev/tty501:44
luke-jrCan't open /dev/tty4: No such file or directory01:44
luke-jrprocess '-/bin/sh' (pid N) exited. Scheduling for restart.01:45
luke-jrnot sure what it says before all the flooding01:45
luke-jrit scrolls off too fast01:45
jacekowskiwait a sec01:46
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luke-jrjacekowski: same01:56
luke-jrsorry, doing dishes in between attempts XD01:57
jacekowskijust flash it01:59
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jacekowskihmm, kernel with very similiar config is booting on BB02:14
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Paulywhat does combined mean as in the maemo 5 img RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.19-1.002_PR_COMBINED_002_ARM.bin, not sure if its right?02:24
Paulydoes that mean its the firmware and emmc image?02:25
GAN900It has to do with which hardware revisions are supported02:25
luke-jrjacekowski: is it at the URI?02:26
Paulyoh ok, im tryng to get all the files i need02:26
Paulyi have flasher and that bin.02:26
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GAN900Pauly, need for?02:27
asjoh god, I can't stop myself, I don't want to, but I can't hold back. Pauly why are flashing your dead phone?02:27
Paulyi got it to work.02:27
Paulyu must have not been here02:27
kerioPauly actually charged the battery manually, by cutting the charger and connecting the pins directly02:28
asjkerio: really?02:28
PaulyGAN900: i bought it used, so i want it all fresh.02:28
kerioat least, that's what he says02:28
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Paulytook like 2 mins02:28
* asj shudders02:28
kerioasj: yeah02:29
Paulyim a he!!!!!02:29
keriobut hey, it works02:29
kerioPauly: that wasn't an insult02:29
Paulyiits ok02:29
infobotkerio: thanks02:30
Paulyall i need is the flasher, and that bin file. i think.02:30
kerioPauly: can you boot and charge the phone now?02:31
kerioi'd wait until it's completely charged before doing anything else02:31
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Paulyya, its been powered on all day.02:31
Paulyhad to use the back usb ports for the flasher to recognize my device.02:32
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keriohow many ports are there?02:32
luke-jrjacekowski: care to share? :|02:33
asjPauly: did the charging led go from pulsing yellow to green?02:33
luke-jrkerio: on his computer02:33
keriooh, i see02:33
GAN900kerio, two on the device02:33
Paulysry i know im not specific.02:33
kerioi have one02:33
GAN900kerio, the pads under the batt are USB, serial and cell stuff.02:33
keriowait, what's the usb used for?02:34
GAN900Factory flashing02:34
GAN900Nokia has a cradle.02:34
Paulythats cool02:34
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Paulyhow is transmission the torrent client in easy debian?02:38
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Paulystable, fast?02:38
ech0Asusunstable and very fast!02:38
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Paulycool cause i have the one for maemo and it sucks.02:39
luke-jrGAN900: it's an independent port, or just a header for the same one?02:39
asjwhat's the facination with torrents on phones? it kills the bat in like 5mins02:39
GAN900luke-jr, I'm not sure.02:40
GAN900asj, 5 minutes?02:40
asjGAN900: ok, 2-4 hours02:40
GAN900asj, 2-4 hours?02:40
trip0rotation on maemo sucks compared to meego's02:40
GAN900The fascination stems partly from novelty, and partly from convenience, I imagine.02:41
asjtrip0: maemo has rotation?02:41
trip0asj: it does in the dialer02:41
GAN900One less thing tyinh you to a larger computer.02:41
trip0if you turn it on02:41
alteregoI wonder why "Nokia" decided to implement Maps in Mozilla ...02:42
kerioi don't see why the maemo transmission should be different from the easy debian transmission02:42
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Paulykerio: it just does not respond with large files downloading.02:43
Paulywhich i guess makes sence since its a mobile.02:43
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Paulyim hungry02:49
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* trip0 is hungry02:49
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mneptokoh no! an LjL!02:53
LjLmneptok :)02:53
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LjLmneptok: do you have a maemo device?02:55
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mneptokLjL: aye, an N90002:58
LjLmneptok: ooh you luck rich #¤%#"#NO CARRIER02:59
infobotLjL meant: mneptok: ooh you lucky rich #¤%#"#NO CARRIER02:59
LjLthat i did.02:59
mneptokinfobot: sit down.02:59
* infobot puts on 200lbs, sits on down. and squishes him02:59
LjLsmart bot, why isn't ours as smart?02:59
mneptoki blame lazy bot developers02:59
LjLs/lazy bot developers/seveas/02:59
infobotHard work may pay off later, but LAZINESS pays off now! Work hard at hardly working!02:59
LjLmneptok: i'm considering getting an N810 (N900 is way over budget) these days03:00
mneptokLjL: my father has an N810. despite being relegated to OS2008, it's still a great device.03:00
Paulymneptok: paid $360 for mine, didn't even come with oem charger and tv- out cable03:01
LjLmneptok: i'm hopeful i'll be able to run MeeGo on it in some time03:01
LjLPauly: that's a lot :\ i'm finding them at €100-150 on ebay03:01
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PaulyLjL: and i called nokia, they said it's not in warranty cause it was damaged before03:02
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kerioLjL: huh03:04
kerioi bought mine for 350€03:04
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LjLkerio: well... let me look for some past auctions03:05
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pigeonok, i'll be stupid and unadventurous and ask this: has anyone bricked their n900 by using the led pattern editor like the warning said? :)03:16
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luke-jrljp: N810 is mostly dead, though a few of us are trying to get something current running on it03:17
luke-jrsorry ljp03:17
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luke-jrLjL: the problem is Nokia never really finished the Linux port (getting things merged to mainline) and some of the hardware (battery charger and GPS) require binary blobs03:18
luke-jrand most of the community (and all of Nokia) have moved on to N90003:19
LjLluke-jr: i was told the latter thing. i really can't/won't afford an N900 though, and an N810 seems like a cheap alternative with some appeal. i know that Mer is unmaintained now, but does it work decently? i'm not above using unmaintained software :P03:20
luke-jrI don't think Mer ever really worked on N81003:20
luke-jrGentoo is the closest you'll find to "working" right now I think03:20
GAN900It worked03:21
lcukLjL, diablo is a fine OS, you are right its out of date now, but theres new apps for it and people still find novel things to do with them03:21
lcukfolks like the keyboard03:21
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luke-jrLjL: you might consider some other devices-- maybe a Ben NanoNote if it fits your needs03:21
GAN900But the issue is lacking a complete DE03:21
lcukscratchbox diablo works03:21
lcukeven on device building of certain things works03:22
luke-jrLjL: I picked up a netbook (Aspire One) on ebay for $110, but that might be too big03:22
MohammadAG51meh, just noticed scrolling on S60v5 is much more smoother than Maemo 5's GTK03:22
LjLi have a netbook, eeepc 901 :)03:22
luke-jrlcuk: Diablo doesn't support XMPP w/ TLS (usually required these days)03:22
lcukluke-jr, it was a solid tool for many people for a long time03:23
lcuki still have mine on03:23
lcukit runs my remote control03:23
* luke-jr has his N810 w/ Gentoo on :)03:23
lcukthere you go03:23
luke-jrin fact, I just stole its initfs busybox to try to fix my N90003:23
luke-jrhopefully it works03:23
lcuki like sketching on mine - the bigger screen is size i need03:23
LjLBen NanoNote seems slightly too obscure, not on ebay so i have no idea where i'd get it. also, i started with the idea of getting a smartphone, so this would be starting to get a bit big03:23
lcukLjL, find someone with one and have a play03:24
lcukif you get the bug like most of us did you will enjoy it03:24
luke-jrLjL: Ben NanoNote is a new device for $10003:24
lcukand just today Stskeeps got meego running on it :)03:24
luke-jrand IIRC it's pretty small03:24
luke-jralso, N900 is the first Nokia tablet with cellular connectivity03:25
luke-jrN810 only supports wifi03:25
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luke-jrneither are really meant to be smartphones, but N810 certainly cannot fit that category03:25
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LjLluke-jr: i know that, but you see, initially i was thrilled about Android apparently being fully open source. then it turned out it wasn't really (not on real devices). so i started investigating the nokia tablet. true, the N810 isn't a phone, and it's not even all that open source, but it is if you run Gentoo or stuff on it. i'm actually thinking of getting *both* an Android phone and an N810, since my initial max price target was €200, and you can find those03:26
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LjLtwo for €100 each if you're lucky03:27
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LjLlcuk: i do keep my fingers crossed he will get it working satisfactorily on the N810 ;)03:28
luke-jrLjL: Maemo is less open than Android03:28
luke-jrand you cannot run a free OS on any N* devices yet03:28
MohammadAG51MeeGo is more open than both :p03:28
luke-jrMohammadAG51: I hope so. :)03:28
MohammadAG51well, not on the N90003:29
* lcuk loves how this discussion comes up AT ALL in relation to linux03:29
luke-jrLjL: FWIW03:29
luke-jr10 packs for $990 XD03:29
LjLluke-jr: well, not a totally free one because of the drivers, but my understanding was that if you get the binary blobs installed, then you can get free stuff running - and also, that the binary blobs are only about peripherals such as wifi, and aren't actually required for booting the things, while they would be on most android devices03:29
MohammadAG51meego on the RX-51 (sounds cooler :P) will have some blobs03:29
luke-jrLjL: wrong.03:29
luke-jrLjL: Wifi is the first thing actually merged to Linux, actually03:30
luke-jrLjL: but the big killer is BME, the battery charger03:30
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luke-jryou cannot use a device if it cannot charge its own battery03:30
b-mani hate how bme is closed03:30
MohammadAG51can be fixed w/ a script03:30
MohammadAG51b-man, bme hates how your closed too03:30
LjLluke-jr: i've been told there's an attempt to make a free BME clone, though03:30
luke-jrLjL: I know only of my own efforts, which are fruitless to date03:31
luke-jrwell, someone here was talking about replacing N900-BME...03:31
luke-jrbut that's a totally different beast than N810-BME03:31
microlithjacekowski has03:31
MohammadAG51actually, it was DocScrutinizer03:31
microlithhim too03:31
MohammadAG51he kicked off the project and made a slightly working script03:32
luke-jrLjL: if you want a *phone* though, OpenMoko's phones are pretty free03:32
b-mannokia seems to frown apon any bme replacements03:32
MohammadAG51b-man, who gives a crap03:32
LjLluke-jr: well i don't know, maybe Android is technically more open... however, what happens when i google Android is that i get some shady forums with "mods" which are just zipped binary blobs for some phones. on the other hand, if i google Maemo/Meego, what i seem to find is a community that seems geared on openness. so far, the IRC channels match that sensation too.03:32
b-manMohammadAG51: :P03:33
LjLi've heard bad things about OpenMoko though :(03:33
GAN900I wish PDF would die.03:33
luke-jrLjL: Nokia marketting gets the open source crowd more, whereas Android marketting gets the iPhone crowd03:33
luke-jrLjL: I *think* OpenMoko phones work now03:33
zashGAN900: got something better ?03:33
luke-jrIIRC DocScrutinizer would know03:33
GAN900zash, for basic text?03:34
MohammadAG51zash, Microsoft® XPS of course03:34
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GAN900zash, it pisses me off that people want to ship books in PDF so frequently.03:34
zashGAN900: for "printed documents" in digital format .. .ps?03:34
GAN900Which doesn't work for FBReader.03:34
luke-jrnot their fault FBReader is crap03:35
luke-jrPDF is the standard03:35
GAN900Yeah. . . .03:36
GAN900Unfortunately it isn't reflowable03:36
luke-jrnor is paper03:36
luke-jrwhich pretty much defines book03:36
GAN900Which is why it's retarded to put plaintext in PDF03:36
alteregoThis sounds like a very boring conversation :P03:36
MohammadAG51/kick alterego03:37
asjopenmoko phones never "good enough" in my useo f them03:37
GAN900Right tool for the job03:37
microlithopenmoko keeps shifting too much to stabilize03:37
luke-jrI'd get a Freerunner if the price were right :P03:39
luke-jrlike $80 or so IMO03:39
LjLfor the price i can get it at, i think the N810 should at least be a nice ebook reader (and probably a decent GPS navigator, to have fun with by installing navit at least)03:39
LjLluke-jr: i just looked up Freerunner and 1973 on ebay, but there simply aren't any being sold. and that price, new... well, i guess it's not happening ;)03:40
luke-jrLjL: I don't need new03:40
luke-jrLjL: forget GPS on N81003:41
luke-jrit never worked03:41
luke-jrLjL: GPS is the other big blob on N810, and it was too buggy to be relied on03:41
luke-jrand the map software is crap03:41
LjLthat's a shame :(03:41
LjLwell the map software can be replaced... if the blob provides a standard interface...03:41
luke-jrN900 eventually gets a fix and has Ovi Maps03:41
luke-jrblob provides NMEA03:41
luke-jrbut the blob doesn't work under any recent kernels03:42
luke-jrgood luck writing decent map software tho :)03:42
luke-jrthe free software selection is unfortunately terrible03:42
LjLluke-jr: by the way, if you're in the US maybe (the shipping price is absurdly high for here, but perhaps it's lower for the US)03:42
LjLluke-jr: well, i have some hope in navit, and i'm willing to help partecipate in its development if i can03:42
LjLluke-jr: i actually already have a TomTom One, so it's not like GPS is vital for me, but i'd really like a good free navigator03:43
luke-jrLjL: that's about $75 here03:44
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LjLi guess it's just one of those obnoxious seller who have a very high shipping price just so they can have a lower selling price to show up higher in the list then ;(03:45
luke-jrLjL: no, I mean total :P03:45
LjLluke-jr: oh. well, it's $5 less than what you wanted! :D03:46
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luke-jrLjL: yeah, I wish I had more time to consider it03:47
luke-jrneed to discern whether I can get usable service for it03:47
LjLluke-jr: can always resell it to me if you have saner shipping :P (actually i have no idea whether it's even GSM and would work for here, either)03:48
luke-jrit is GSM03:49
luke-jrthat's why finding service is near impossible here03:49
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luke-jrwell, I got a busybox shell03:51
luke-jrbut Fn doesn't work XD03:51
luke-jrso can't type / to mount things03:52
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b-manluke-jr: ctrl+i won't work?03:55
luke-jrb-man: NICE FIND03:57
luke-jrbut not for digits :(03:57
b-manhmm :(03:57
luke-jrand dropbear segfaults..03:58
b-mani think the n900 really needs a proper console keymap03:58
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wtfuhhhthanks for banning my other name04:09
wtfuhhhanyway, how do you recover wireless keys you once entered04:10
luke-jryou don't.04:11
wtfuhhhi can do it on linux usuallly04:12
wtfuhhhhow on maemo?04:12
wtfuhhhmeaning, im connected to a wifi network and i dont remember the password04:12
luke-jrsucks to be you04:13
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wtfuhhhwell i got it04:13
wtfuhhhwhat crawled up your ass?04:14
wtfuhhhI know it can be done, if you don't know, then just say so04:14
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luke-jrpeb: that's asking for a ban04:27
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luke-jrfixed Maemo04:39
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ds3how did you fix it?04:47
luke-jrds3: I managed to cross-compile a kernel+busybox with init script that got me into my Gentoo partition04:50
luke-jrfrom there I reversed my changes to Maemo04:50
luke-jrnow I'm back to my original problem:04:50
luke-jrhow to log all boot output04:50
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luke-jrham5: dmesg is easy to log04:56
luke-jrthe hard part is Maemo's bootscripts04:56
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luke-jrMaemo4 I could just do exec >/log 2>&104:56
luke-jrthat isn't working in 504:56
ham5easy to log?04:57
luke-jrdmesg > file04:57
ds3expunge upstart04:58
luke-jrupstart >:O04:58
ptlupstart rules!04:59
luke-jrupstart is lame crap that people only use because Ubuntu made it05:00
ptlit's as good for system initialization as pulseaudio is for sound05:00
luke-jrgood one05:00
ptlno, really05:00
ptlI like both05:00
b-mani guess it comes down to preference and how you use the system05:00
luke-jrnot really05:01
luke-jrupstart is just "not invented here" of OpenRC and such05:01
b-manupstart seems a bit lazy lol05:01
ham5yea why dev from init05:02
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b-manmaemo's fuser seems to be useless :05:07
luke-jrb-man: that would explain a lot05:08
b-manfuser -m /mnt/mmc1p2 -k doesn't seem to have any effect05:09
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b-manit worked in maemo405:09
ptlWhat about lsof?05:12
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luke-jrlsof doesn't have -m or -k05:15
luke-jr-m checks for anything using a mount point05:15
luke-jr-k kills it :D05:15
MohammadAG51i'd use umount -l :P05:16
luke-jrbasically, "LET ME UNMOUNT THIS PATH YOU **#&"05:16
luke-jrMohammadAG51: that maakes the problem worse05:16
MohammadAG51luke-jr, muhahahaha05:16
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TermanaTip to all - don't play with /etc/sudoers without a backup :P05:21
luke-jrTermana: tip to sane - always use visudo05:21
MohammadAG51never use visudo05:22
MohammadAG51on maemo05:22
Termanayes well, I didn't think sudo would completely stop working if I got the config accidentally wrong05:22
TermanaNow I have to reflash :P05:22
b-manit may lol05:22
MohammadAG51or use ssh05:22
luke-jrTermana: why?05:23
luke-jrssh to root05:23
TermanaMohammadAG51, didn't install SSH on my n810 :P I will after the reflash though05:23
luke-jrMohammadAG51: visudo works for me05:23
MohammadAG51In maemo sudoers is regenerated periodically from config snippets in /etc/sudoers.d/, using visudo can cause the slow death of your system as your edit gets pushed further down /etc/sudoers05:25
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luke-jrwhy didn't Nokia modify visudo to edit a sudoers.d file and run update?05:31
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luke-jror better yet, fix their lame scripts to do the Right Thing(TM)05:31
MohammadAG51cause BAD THINGS HAPPEN(TM)05:32
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luke-jrlooks liek my problems all along were needing to re-run depmod -a on the Maemo side05:34
Stskeepsluke-jr: i just woke up to say ha!-ha05:36
luke-jrStskeeps: ?05:37
* Stskeeps goes back to sleep05:37
* luke-jr doesn't get it05:37
* luke-jr calls Stskeeps's wife and wakes her up >:D05:37
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MohammadAG51:( qole was actually here06:09
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Stskeeps - why does this kinda remind me of how relations with nokia are?07:58
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Arkenoinew DtG still sucks :-( (yet better than free replacements)08:00
arachnistwhat's "DtG"?08:01
Arkenoidocuments to go08:03
RST38hStskeeps: It is normal. A corporation does not care, it does not have to.08:05
RST38hStskeeps: Not that it completely ignores these groups, but they are just below mailroom staffing at its radar.08:05
Stskeepswell, i'm also talking about the use of communities to claim open development while in fact, 99% is being done by the company itself behind closed doors ;)08:05
Stskeepsand that had no control, whatsoever, over the product :P08:06
RST38hStskeeps: You do not even need a community for that. Do you know, for example, that the Flash Player is open source?08:06
StskeepsRST38h: i think i knew that, it's just difficult to get to :P08:06
RST38hStskeeps: s/difficult/impossible08:07
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RST38hStskeeps: but still "open source" :)08:07
Stskeepskinda like LiMo..08:07
Stskeeps"pay several millions to make your eyes bleed"08:07
RST38hBut at least nobody needs LiMo08:07
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arachnistRST38h: flash player is opensource? WTF!?08:08
RST38harachnist: Adobe claimed at some point that it was open source and everybody could file a form to request access to it08:08
RST38harachnist: Apparently, they ignored these applications though08:09
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arachnistwhy does that not surprise me?08:09
Arkenoiwhy did they? is it infected with GPL "virus"?08:10
RST38hNo idea. Some junior enema in the PR department decided that it would be "beneficial"08:11
RST38hStskeeps: On the other hand, I do not see much progress even on the parts of maemo5 that have been open sourced08:12
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RST38hStskeeps: The "progress" in my view would be a third party repository where you could get bugfixed versions of those open sourced packages08:12
StskeepsRST38h: like, cooperation and contributions back? :P08:12
RST38hStskeeps: So far, I only saw really minor fixes to Modest08:12
RST38hStskeeps: Contributions back would be the best08:13
Stskeepsmm08:13 is a developer community, not a systems community08:13
RST38hStskeeps: But even a "fuck the corpses" movement with its own repo would do08:13
Stskeepsat least with meego it's supposed to be a system community08:13
RST38hStskeeps: ...which effectively shrinks the size of Meego community to nil.08:13
RST38hStskeeps: Another winning decision from our corporate overlords :)08:14
Stskeepswe'll see08:14
RST38hStskeeps: But, returning to Maemo, a lot of these packages are not system08:14
RST38hStskeeps: Modest is not a system package. Neither is Hildon Desktop, to be frank08:14
Stskeepsthey're considered as such though08:15
RST38hStskeeps: XTerm is not a system package08:15
slonopotamusis it possible to do adhoc wifi using n900 + n800? :)08:15
RST38hStskeeps: They are manufacturer's packages, but not really system.08:15
* Stskeeps goes to get another birthday morning cup of coffee08:15
arachnistStskeeps: happy birthday08:16
RST38hStskeeps: BTW, how many third party system developer contribute to Meego right now?08:16
slonopotamusStskeeps: happy morning!08:16
* ljp drinks another unbirthday afternoon cup of coffee08:16
RST38hhappy birthday mourning indeed08:16
* arachnist drinks another bottle of cherry coke08:16
StskeepsRST38h: technically novell counts ;) but the ability is there for anyone to contribute now08:16
Stskeepsparticipation is different though08:17
RST38hStskeeps: Ability != Fact08:17
* slonopotamus tries to put bits for open initfs for n8x0 together08:17
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Stskeepsslonopotamus: we're running into a weird issue with fb_text2screen on gcc4.5, want a log?08:17
RST38hStskeeps: Or, using Intel's language, the progress has to be judged by actual results, not by the possibilities of results08:18
slonopotamusStskeeps: wow. you're actually using it? :)08:18
ArkenoiRST38h, "So i have the right to.." "Yes, you do have" "..and I can.." "No, you cannot" (c)08:18
slonopotamusStskeeps: yep, i only have 4.4 here yet08:18
slonopotamusStskeeps: link looks like rpm, not log :)08:19
Stskeepsslonopotamus: yeah, i just wanted to show you where it's used08:19
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slonopotamusso... i happen to be a contributor to meego? :D08:20
Stskeepsseems so08:20
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slonopotamusjust lol :)08:20
Stskeepsok, it might actually be a bug in our patches for it, hm08:20
slonopotamusStskeeps: now, log08:20
RST38hArkenoi: Actually, "Catch 22" is almost a required reading to understand how world works ;)08:20
RST38hArkenoi: corporate world, that is ;)08:20
slonopotamusStskeeps: patches?08:20
Stskeepsyeah, it's most definite our fault :)08:22
Stskeeps is our patch08:22
slonopotamusStskeeps: this?
Stskeepsah, yes08:23
Macerthere is no cut/paste in the email app?08:23
Maceror copy?08:23
StskeepsMacer: because the designers were on crack, it seems08:23
Maceror am i missing something?08:23
slonopotamusStskeeps: you don't want to edit CMakeFile that way08:23
slonopotamusStskeeps: it was made flexible enough already08:24
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Macerlike i have to spell nokia out with my finger then triple tap and do circles?08:24
slonopotamusStskeeps: you just pass vars with -D to ccmake08:24
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MacerStskeeps: just make meego good08:24
Maceris meego going to have all the gnu userland stuff like maemo?08:25
timeless_mbpMacer: to cast this spell, hold SHIFT08:25
timeless_mbpthen tap and select the text you wish to copy08:25
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timeless_mbp(requires pr1.2)08:25
Macerit isnt going to get androidized and have the linux end do nothing but the hcl is it?08:25
slonopotamusStskeeps: okay? :)08:26
Macertimeless_mbp: ah ok thanks08:26
luke-jrStskeeps: wtf are you doing with 4.5? XD08:26
timeless_mbpMacer: the copy spell is of course performed by using CTRL+c :)08:26
Macerthe meego vids look good08:26
Stskeepsslonopotamus: will take to heart, noting down :)08:26
Macerlike it isnt going to suck :)08:26
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Macerand it does portrait mode! wooo!08:27
* RST38h would wait for the first device08:27
MacerRST38h: i want it on my n900 =)08:27
Macerthere is a closed nokia image08:27
Macerwhich is good :)08:28
Stskeepsactually not one with handset ux08:28
Stskeepsuntil we fix the f*king wlan issue08:28
Stskeeps~curse connman08:28
infobotMay the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, connman !08:28
Macerask nokia for closed bins08:28
Stskeepsnokia's involved08:28
RST38hStskeeps: what about cellmo and the battery management?08:29
Stskeepsas well as paying for a team to get meego on n90008:29
slonopotamusStskeeps: and maybe i should do some platform checks for omapfb.h08:29
Maceryeah. i figured since they have the closed image on the meego site08:29
Macerthat is promising08:29
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Macerno offense.. but i could care less if drivers are open or not heh08:29
Macerus ignorant end users jusrt want it to work :)08:29
Macerwow they are08:30
Macergo nokia! my faith is restored08:30
slonopotamusStskeeps: so... how you managed to break it? :) wrong header?08:30
StskeepsRST38h: bme works now, cellmo access is slowly getting there (kernel patches upstreamed, ofono plugin, speech path, pulseaudio plugins, telepathy-ring)08:30
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Stskeepsslonopotamus: think the kernel sources moved08:30
StskeepsRST38h: all of the latter being open source08:30
slonopotamusStskeeps: btw, what's n900_libdsme and why its repo is empty?08:31
MacerStskeeps: if you turn meego into something it will be way more worthwhile than maemo ;)08:31
Stskeepsslonopotamus: libdsme got included into trunk in general so someone else took it over, i'll probably delete repo eventually08:31
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slonopotamusStskeeps: its something from dsme opensourced code?08:32
Stskeepsslonopotamus: yes, both are open sourced components08:32
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luke-jrStskeeps: you're *sure* Maemo5 doesn't require DSP?08:34
Macerhow is ti or nokia handling the gles support Stskeeps ?08:35
Macerare they being anal again like the n8x0?08:35
StskeepsMacer: closed blob, provided in a repository accessible with a n900 IMEI08:35
RST38hStskeeps: Yahoo!08:35
Macerso it is just a driver download/install?08:35
StskeepsMacer: or grab our pre-made image, or the .ks to make one08:36
* RST38h starts seriously considering porting stuff to Meego08:36
Macerthat... is... awesome :)08:36
Stskeepsyahoo to which part? :P08:36
RST38hStskeeps: to bme and cellmo getting there08:36
luke-jrStskeeps: how much space would I need to partition for MeeGo? :p08:36
MacerRST38h: do it ;) it wont suck08:36
Stskeepsah, bme will still be closed, but cellmo stuff is opening (until DocScrutinizer and co decides to package up theirs and subject it to QA)08:37
Stskeepsbme will be closed but downloadable by that repo i mentioned before08:37
MacerStskeeps: im sold. glad nokia isnt trying to abandon the n90008:38
Macertime to jump onto the meego bandwagon and cheerlead08:38
ljpplease, no skirts or ponpoms08:38
Maceri was bitter when i thought my n900 was going to find a place in a drawer next to my n81008:39
asjI want gold speedos08:39
Macercollecting dust08:39
Macerasj: with the meego cartoon looking mascot things on the front?08:39
Macerand a pic of an n900 on the ass?08:39
asjMacer: that was for ljp, inside joke08:40
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Macerwhat happens in vegas...08:40
asjthank god stays there08:40
* slonopotamus carries both n800 and n900 with him. n800 is much superior for development due to longer battery life08:40
Maceryou think it lasts that much longer?08:41
slonopotamus(and my 8gb sd card is too big to fit n900 :)08:41
Stskeepsit has different use cases08:41
Macern900 can hold its own batterywise08:41
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ljpyou dont want to know all the devices on my shelves that are gathering dust08:41
luke-jrStskeeps: minor 'bug' in Maemo that would be handy fixed... dnsmasq caches lookups across networks ;)08:41
slonopotamusMacer: i know that.08:41
Stskeepsluke-jr: i think we have a whole new set of bugs with connman08:41
luke-jrwait, M5 didn't have connman?08:42
Macerslonopotamus: ;)08:42
Stskeepsno, it has icd208:42
Stskeepswhich at the moment, i miss08:42
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timeless_mbpicd2 has bugs, but i think most of the bugs it has are missing features08:45
Stskeepsat least it works08:45
timeless_mbpwhich are also missing from the competition08:46
luke-jr[00:34:49] <luke-jr> Stskeeps: you're *sure* Maemo5 doesn't require DSP?08:46
Stskeepsluke-jr: i'm not sure if a failed dsp startup will block statrtup08:46
Stskeepsjust use the same toolchain 1.2 was built with08:46
RST38hAll right. Time to go.08:46
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luke-jrStskeeps: I don't have that08:47
luke-jrStskeeps: I'm asking because after hackishly fixing those compile errors, I managed to boot it...08:47
slonopotamusStskeeps: #include <linux/omapfb.h>08:47
slonopotamusStskeeps: is it still in kernel sources or now in /usr/include?08:47
luke-jrStskeeps: so wondering if that's related, or if my config is odd08:47
Stskeepsslonopotamus: good question08:48
luke-jrslonopotamus: /usr/include/linux comes from kernel sources08:48
luke-jrStskeeps: btw, is there a reason NITs scan every X minutes, rather than just sitting in monitor mode? :p08:49
Stskeepsluke-jr: power saving?08:49
luke-jri c08:49
luke-jrgood reason I guess08:50
slonopotamusluke-jr: not all kernel headers are accessible via /usr/include/linux08:50
slonopotamusStskeeps: then you don't need that crap with LINUX_SRC_DIR at all08:50
slonopotamusStskeeps: now figure out how i conditionally handle that :)08:50
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Myrttioh crap.08:56
Myrttiremember when I complained about adobe's flash last night? I installed gnash instead of it in hope it would be better?08:57
Stskeepshow could you think that was better? :P08:57
MyrttiStskeeps: 64-bit build of gnash might put less stress on CPU than running the 32-bit through nspluginwrapper...08:57
Myrttiit didn't.08:57
Myrttiloads were >23.408:58
Myrttisurprisingly I managed to kill my browser before the whole computer went down08:58
Myrtti~curse Adobe Flash08:59
infobotMay you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, Adobe Flash !08:59
Myrttias you were...09:00
luke-jrMyrtti: I just don't use Flash :)09:00
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Macerhave to take my son for a blood test friday09:04
Macerhe handled his shots a couple weeks ago like a champ09:05
Macerbut a blood test is a long dragged out one09:05
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crashanddielcuk: I think I has a job!09:25
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DocScrutinizergot another 'nice' new problem on PR1.2: transitions freeze halfway.09:30
DocScrutinizerweird thing is I never encountered this until I inserted a working SIM yesterday09:31
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DocScrutinizerok, I also installed 2 or 3 new apps09:31
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DocScrutinizerbut those were not started for all I can tell (though I'm not sure about that camera app)09:32
DocScrutinizer8830 seems actually fixable with the easter egg (even though I had to create that file, it didn't exist on my device)09:35
crashanddieMohammadAG51: did you notice that just as the neopwn website was going to demo the new backtrack version, they're down?09:35
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crashanddiedemo and release,that is09:35
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DocScrutinizercrashanddie: they're coming to get you too :-P09:36
DocScrutinizercrashanddie: hear the helis approaching09:37
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DocScrutinizerh-e-n project bought out all their devels  X-P09:39
* Arkenoi does not like upstream bugs submit policy at all. It would be much more reasonable to keep them cloned at bmo and to have package maintaners to deal with the upstream. Otherwise it is too long cycle, too messy to diagnose and forces the bug reporter to create accounts in all upstream trackers.09:39
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DocScrutinizerduh, the last part really sounds insane09:40
ArkenoiI reported a bug in ICQ conversations plugin and it was closed with notice i should report it to freedesktop bugzilla09:40
Arkenoiand even if i do and it gets fixed, it takes almost forever to get updated version back downstream09:41
DocScrutinizerand odds are freedesktop sends you back to the maintainer of your particular version anyway, with a 'can't duplicate'09:42
timeless_mbpArkenoi: which bmo is this?09:45
DocScrutinizernot user needs account on all upstream trackers, but Mr Upstream is usually supposed to have an eye and account on all maintainers' trackers. And maintainers' most noble duty is to inform original author/upstream about bugs that hit their local tracker09:46
povbotBug 10865: ICQ advanced settings are being spontaneously reset09:47
DocScrutinizerhell, usually a maintainer is even supposed to send *patches* upstream, not users ;-P09:48
D-Iivil_WorkGood morning folks.09:48
luke-jrPR1.2's modules dir totals 3.3 MB09:49
luke-jryet when I build the same code+config, I get 42.4 MB09:49
timeless_mbpin this case, the maintainer is not living in this bug tracker09:49
luke-jrwtf :?09:49
D-Iivil_WorkDoes someone know if there's some more "polite" way to reload hildon-home than just doing killall hildon-home?09:49
DocScrutinizerstrip *09:49
luke-jrDocScrutinizer: strip doesn't understand .ko09:49
D-Iivil_WorkI know it's somehow possible because the built-in theme changing does that. I just don't know how to trigger it from terminal.09:50
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DocScrutinizermhm, so there's a make/compiler/linker option to do that for you, isn't there?09:50
luke-jrDocScrutinizer: as I said, I'm using the Nokia-provided config09:50
Macerluke-jr: working on meego stuff?09:50
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DocScrutinizerluke-jr: so file a bug against that config. It's evidently not the original one09:51
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luke-jrMacer: Gentoo ofc09:51
Macermega fail09:51
DocScrutinizer~gentoo luke-jr09:52
* infobot recompiles luke-jr again09:52
Macermake meetoo :_P09:52
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crashanddieanyone familiar with big trail bikes? I'm looking for info regarding 1000cc+ trails that could be used to drive around Europe (France, Spain, Portugal, ferry up to Norway, Sweden, then back) and later, to India. I'm quite interested in the Honda Varadero 1000, or the BMW R 1200 GS Adventure.09:55
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crashanddieThe BMW has a quite a bit more oomph, and a bigger fuel capacity, but also nearly 5 grand more expensive09:58
luke-jrof course amd64 strip won't work on arm .ko09:58
DocScrutinizerhmmm, maybe just a lil bitsy OT09:58
crashanddieDocScrutinizer: yeah yeah, but hey09:59
crashanddieDocScrutinizer: there's no ##motorbikes channel :)09:59
DocScrutinizerjust saying09:59
luke-jrcrashanddie: no?09:59
DocScrutinizerduh, you'd guess there should be about 5009:59
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crashanddieactually, there's only one with "bikes" in the topic, and it's spanish push bikers10:01
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tybollt"push bikers"?10:02
crashanddietybollt: bicyles10:02
DocScrutinizeryep, 5 chan with bike in topic or name10:02
DocScrutinizermaybe you need another network10:03
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DocScrutinizercrashanddie: google is your friend :-D
DocScrutinizerfirst hit10:06
DocScrutinizer>>On the EFnet IRC channel, join the channel #motorcycles. It's been run by the same group of guys for over 10 years now and they know their ...<<10:07
tybolltcrashanddie: text me if you're in Stockholm. Beers all around.10:07
crashanddietybollt: will do ;)10:07
luke-jrhow about pizza10:07
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RST38hwell...moo, all10:11
fralsmornin o/10:12
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RST38hheya ab10:12
jacekowskimicrolith: ?10:17
keriowhat's bug 8830?10:17
povbotBug Dialer does not accept MMI codes (*#) from 3GPP TS 22.03010:17
kerioand what's the easter egg?10:17
SwedeMikewasn't that USSD fixed in PR1.2 ?10:18
SwedeMikeI can do *# stuff since 1.2 upgrade anyway.10:18
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Stskeepsmorning andre__10:19
keriolol phone10:19
keriosomebody actively uses the n900 as a phone eh10:19
SwedeMikekerio: yes :P10:20
StskeepsMeeGo handset UX on Nokia N810 pictures:
Stskeeps(+ video)10:21
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psycho_oreoswhat's wrong with using n900 as a phone?10:21
keriophones are not supposed to run openoffice!10:22
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tybolltkerio: and why the hell not10:22
DocScrutinizerSwedeMike: you instelled the "easter egg"?10:22
tybolltStskeeps: could you make the pic any more blurry, kthxplz?10:22
SwedeMikeDocScrutinizer: no, I just spent some time reading thru it a bit more. I don't need any of the functions (now that USSD is implemented) so I'm not going to change anything.10:23
keriotybollt: phone vs tablet10:23
kerioit's a tablet!10:23
DocScrutinizerSwedeMike: USSD for you is *1xx# ?10:23
* tybollt not sure why but those silly little meego toons just give me the heebie jeebies... 10:23
psycho_oreossmart phones these days can almost run anything.. sure it seems a little odd holding onto n900 and using it as a phone when you're not used to touch screen and linux on phone but after awhile it'll wear in :P10:23
keriowhat's ussd?10:24
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DocScrutinizeror also things like *#67# ?10:24
psycho_oreostool to check charges from your phone service provider, aka operator10:24
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DocScrutinizerUnstructured Supplementary Service Data10:26
SwedeMikeDocScrutinizer: *x*y# for loading prepaid cards for instance.10:27
DocScrutinizerkerio: a way to send arbitrary commands to your service provider, without using special proprietary menus or apps10:27
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keriooh, *xx# codes10:28
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DocScrutinizerSwedeMike: mhm. strange thing is the 2digit codes were reported not to work by several people, like MohammadAG51. And didn't work when I tested first time on PR1.2 yesterday. (like e.g. *#62#). But then after playing with "easter egg" as of 8033#c8, it seems to work now. Need to check more thoroughly today10:30
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DocScrutinizerkerio: nah, it's a little bit more complex, though basically you're right10:31
SwedeMikeDocScrutinizer: *x*y# worked for me for PR1.2 out of the box anyway.10:31
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DocScrutinizerfor x=3 digits yes10:31
DocScrutinizerfor x=2digits nope10:32
DocScrutinizermaybe even for 100<=x<=19910:32
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DocScrutinizeras I think not even *002# worked10:32
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jacekowskithat's amazing how much you can fuck somethin gup10:33
jacekowskisomething up*10:33
keriowithout even trying!10:34
DocScrutinizerwhere 100<=x<=199 seems to be a good definition of USSD, as compared to more generic Service Codes10:35
D-Iivil_WorkX-Fade, ping ping10:36
X-FadeD-Iivil_Work: here10:36
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kerioDocScrutinizer: what's wrong with arbitrary codes, i wonder?10:37
D-Iivil_WorkX-Fade, I'm having problems uploading to extras-devel. I get this error:
zashisn't it anything that starts with * and maybe #10:37
D-Iivil_WorkX-Fade, I didn't get size mismatch error after uploading the .dsc & .tar -file. It offered me the "move to queue" normally.10:37
X-FadeD-Iivil_Work: Did you try again?10:37
D-Iivil_WorkX-Fade, just trying.10:38
keriozash: whatever it is, i say just send it to the cellmo and let *him* figure it out10:38
X-FadeThis usually happens when uploading takes a longer time and your file date is some time in the past.10:38
jacekowskiX-Fade: there is one more thing that would be usefull with buildme10:38
DocScrutinizerkerio: I guess Nokia decided to "not support" them (at least officially) as they may conflict with the GUI means to configure such things like call forwarding10:38
D-Iivil_WorkX-Fade, okay, that might explain it. I uploaded it via 2G -connection and the uploading took like 40 mins...10:38
jacekowskiX-Fade: ability to log/displays errors from sbdmock10:38
jacekowskiX-Fade: as i had sbdmock failing while running buildme from cron10:39
jacekowskiX-Fade: and it was failing because missing $USER10:39
X-Fadejacekowski: You can run buildme in debug mode.10:39
D-Iivil_WorkX-Fade, now it went ok. So it was propably because of slow uploading?10:39
kerioDocScrutinizer: my ass!10:40
X-FadeD-Iivil_Work: Yes, the problem is that scp touches the file to your file date and only updates it to the new date once upload is done.10:40
keriowhat was that program that records the phone calls?10:40
X-FadeD-Iivil_Work: Uploading through the assistant doesn't have that problem.10:40
D-Iivil_Workkerio, recaller10:40
D-Iivil_WorkX-Fade, I did upload it through assistant.10:40
D-Iivil_WorkX-Fade, is there another way also? :D10:41
X-FadeD-Iivil_Work: Hmm that is weird.10:41
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D-Iivil_WorkX-Fade, it also took like two hours before the builder gave the Rejected -error after pushing the "move to queue" -button.10:41
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jacekowskiX-Fade: debug mode was not helpful at all10:44
zashDocScrutinizer: "Input string is #-string" ... uhu?10:45
jacekowskiwhat i done in the end was adding sbdmock itself to cron10:45
jacekowskiand that gave me error message10:45
zashso it's a m/^.*#$/ then?10:46
jacekowskiX-Fade: that's not a problem that every on mine pulls lot of data from repository?10:46
Macergftp fixed yet? :)10:46
jacekowskievery build*10:46
Macerjacekowski: how large is the repo?10:46
X-Fadejacekowski: You could setup a proxy to speed things up for you.10:46
jacekowskinah, it takes only couple seconds for me10:47
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DocScrutinizerzash: see >> 6.5.2 Structure of the MMI<< in pdf I linked above10:48
jacekowski[2010-07-13 22:54:15]10:48
jacekowskiUnpacking rootstrap...10:48
jacekowski[2010-07-13 22:54:15]10:48
jacekowski[2010-07-13 22:56:44] cd /home/maemo/maemo-fremantle-armel-extras-devel/work/chromium-5.0.369.2 && dpkg-checkbuilddeps10:48
jacekowskihmm, lag again10:48
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zashDocScrutinizer: The procedure always starts with *, #, **, ## or *# and is finished by #. Each part within the procedure is separated by *.10:49
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DocScrutinizerexactly, was just about to quote exactly same line :-P10:49
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zashnow make me a `get_prepaid_credits()` ;)10:53
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luke-jrzash: you forgot sudo10:56
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zashsudo !make10:56
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Venemogood morning everyone!10:58
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dragonlinuxyo morning11:01
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thomasvsis there any way to get a normal 'diff' on the n900?11:04
jacekowskii think it's in tools repo11:04
luke-jror you can just install Gentoo11:05
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hajhm... shit... my N900 just made this weird sound, and shut off.... and now it can't start up again...11:09
DocScrutinizerhaj: sounds like you should charge battery11:10
hajit was in the sun behind a window so it was very hot... i was sleeping so didn't give it a thought that the sun would hit it... :/11:10
hajDocScrutinizer: it was in the charger...11:10
DocScrutinizertoo bad11:11
DocScrutinizershould this actually be the first reported case where bme is acting reasonable?11:11
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hajhmm ... if it's connected with usb while turned off it shows the two drives... but it says "insert disc" when trying to browse them...11:12
Venemohaj: try to wait until it cools down, then try to turn it on again.11:12
jacekowskihmm, i'm wondering if it was thermal shutdown or low battery11:12
DocScrutinizerhaj: take out battery, let device and battery cool down for 30 min. Then insert battery, and immediately plug in Nokia wallcharger. If yellow flashing ndicator comes up, then you might dare to boot11:13
jacekowskihaj: *flashing*11:13
jacekowskihaj: if it's steady yellow it's in emergency charge mode11:13
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jacekowskihaj: and you have to wait untill it charges11:13
hajjacekowski: it has been charging on the computer all night... it's not out of power...11:14
hajbut i'll let it cool for some time11:14
jacekowskihaj: bme shouldn't charge battery when it's too hot11:15
hajwhile I eat some breakfast... :)11:15
hajjacekowski: it has not been in the sun all night.. I think only half an hour or something11:15
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jacekowskiyour battery might get pregnant after that11:19
Shapeshifterwhat was the url again for seing how many downloads a package has?11:19
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Venemohaj: that shouldn't have hurt it that much.11:26
Venemohaj: if you have warranty, you can have it replaced if it is dead.11:26
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kerioDocScrutinizer: do you think it's possible to reprogram the cellmo to use its cpu for something else?11:29
Stskeepsthe stuff in cellmo is signed, so no11:29
hajokay, it feels all cool now... but i still can't browse the disks when connected via usb (phone off) .. I should be able to do that right?11:29
DocScrutinizerkerio: sure it's 'possible' but you won't succeed in the end. Too much obstacles11:29
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keriohaj: really?11:30
jacekowskiwell, i probably can wipe keys11:30
keriotry booting it11:30
jacekowskiand that should allow programming cellmo11:31
DocScrutinizerhaj: being connected to a computer may not result in being charged, due to several different causes11:31
hajwohoo! it's booting11:31
keriothe main one the fact that the energy system in the n900 is somewhat fucked up11:31
DocScrutinizermain one Windows frequently powering down USB ports when going into suspend11:32
Venemohaj: glad to hear that.11:32
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jacekowskihaj: buy a new battery11:34
kerioDocScrutinizer: i can't charge my n900 with my mbp when it's suspended11:34
DocScrutinizergenerally computers are really poor charger devices11:34
kerioit works for some time, then stops11:34
DocScrutinizerthey are simply not designed to do that11:34
hajhah... okay so it was actually out of power11:35
jacekowskihaj: if it got so hot that bme decided to shutdown it might explode/burn11:35
hajweird... :)11:35
kerioDocScrutinizer: it charges my ipod fine11:35
hajjacekowski: i'm not going to buy a new battery everytime i forget the phone in the sun... :)11:35
kerio(strange, huh?)11:35
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jogathe plain nokia charger adapter sometimes makes a funny noise11:36
DocScrutinizerkerio: if the attached gadget (N900 / iPod) decides to go into suspend, then the USB data back and forth is stalling, and that can result in all kinds of madness happening on host side11:36
jogawish I had some good microphone to look at it as a spectrogram :)11:36
jacekowskihaj: your choice11:37
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Venemojoga: yeah, it makes an extremely annoying noise for me11:37
DocScrutinizerjoga: doesn't matter11:37
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jacekowskihaj: but you've been warned11:37
jogaDocScrutinizer, probably not, but I'd like to see the patterns :)11:37
Venemojoga: I took it back to Nokia service, they replaced it. the new one emits even more annoying noise.11:37
DocScrutinizerjoga: from a technical POV11:38
jacekowskiVenemo: something like 16kHz?11:38
DocScrutinizerhaj: if your battery has cooled down and still is working, then probably all is ok. But LiIon cells easily get short andswell/vent/explode when heated up to >~80°C11:39
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hajjacekowski: thanks for the warning..11:40
DocScrutinizerwell, they MUST NOT explode :-D11:40
jacekowskiMAY NOT*11:40
Venemojacekowski: I didn't measure... but it is a very high noise11:40
DocScrutinizerMUST, as in cert needed for US and EU markets11:40
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Venemojacekowski: I use my GF's Omnia II's charger11:41
jacekowskiVenemo: that's working transformer11:41
hajnow i'll ride to work.. annoyingly without listening to a podcast... ;) (or, i will, until the n900 runs out of power)11:41
Venemojacekowski: that one doesn't emit any sound at all.11:41
jacekowskiVenemo: there is no workaround for it11:41
jacekowskiVenemo: nah, it does11:41
DocScrutinizercert procedures comprise such things like piercing cell with a nail, and it mustn't catch fire11:41
Venemojacekowski: also, the charger of my old N95 was very silent11:41
jacekowskiVenemo: inside there is a transfomer supplied by 16kHz signal11:41
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jacekowskiVenemo: and it will make a noise11:42
DocScrutinizernope, the SPSU is some 100kHz11:42
jacekowskiVenemo: thing is that most of people older than 20 barely hear that frequency anyways11:42
Venemojacekowski: okay. and how come that it only makes a nosie after 30 minutes of plugging it in?11:42
jacekowskiDocScrutinizer: are you sure?11:42
Venemojacekowski: how come that the Omnia II's charger doesn't make noise.11:43
DocScrutinizerthe audible noise is the on/off cycles the SPSU spinns in when no load attached11:43
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jacekowskimost of ones i was measuring were in range of 15-25kHz11:43
DocScrutinizeryou need too large chokes11:43
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DocScrutinizerjacekowski: these 15..25kHz might be one cycle to charge up output buffer C to target Voltage, then pausing until it discharged to lower threshold. Under load the figures will change11:45
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jacekowskiwell, these were mostly quite hi powered ones11:46
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DocScrutinizerwith load, or open output?11:46
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DocScrutinizeralso high power SPSU tend to have lower freq, for various reasons11:47
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DocScrutinizer(mostly because the huge switching FETs etc have higher parasitary capacitance, so high switching freq are more prone to lossy efficiency)11:48
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DocScrutinizerfor very small SPSU even freq in MHz are usual. See e.g bq2415011:49
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DocScrutinizer(1MHz iirc)11:50
DocScrutinizerswitched power supply unit11:50
jacekowskiwhat's wrong with using SMPS11:51
jacekowskiswitch mode power supply11:51
DocScrutinizerok, I have no particular preferences regarding fsckng ETLA11:52
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DocScrutinizer~wtf etla11:52
infobotETLA: extended three letter acronym11:52
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MOUDHey all11:53
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DocScrutinizerhey one11:53
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Termanahey hey11:55
DocScrutinizerjacekowski: I gather you're into buildng UPS for server farms, or driver electronics for E-trains, or sth similar (regarding kA, and 15kHz SMPS)11:55
jacekowskiwell, close11:56
jacekowskiwe build generators11:56
jacekowskiand ups'es are ussualy bought somewhere11:57
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DocScrutinizersuch things like the 30L 12 cylinder critters in the basement of hospital ?11:58
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DocScrutinizeralways found it rather funny how they manage to start such a monster and crank it up to 100% in <30s12:00
jacekowski2 2MW generators12:00
jacekowskistart and sync and 100% load in 15s12:00
jacekowskibut engine is preheated to 45C12:01
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DocScrutinizeryeah, I think there's a lot of hot standby support systems running all the time. Like fuel pumps, lubricant heating and circulating... dunno what12:02
jacekowskijust heating12:02
jacekowskieverything else is started when engine starts12:02
jacekowski6kW starter motor12:03
DocScrutinizeranyway we should take it elsewhere12:03
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DocScrutinizerrather OT12:03
jacekowskiwell, 2x3kW12:03
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* Weiss heard a few years ago about how some power stations can be started up from scratch, starting with a little hand-cranked generator, which starts some diesel engine, which starts a small turbine, which starts ...12:04
Weiss(normally they'd need to pull power from the grid to start)12:04
DocScrutinizerwhen I ponder about usual car engine starter motor is >1kW... :-o12:05
nguyenchaui have a soft in Linux OS it is about ubuntu , fedora, debian, can i change it to adapt with N900 all?12:05
DocScrutinizerWeiss: yup12:05
MiXu-Car starter motors are surprisingly powerful12:05
jacekowskiwell, some of our generators are just used for black start of power stations12:05
DocScrutinizerbtw, hola Weiss12:05
Weissmoin DocScrutinizer :D12:06
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X-FadeDocScrutinizer: Pff that is nothing. My RC heli has a 3kW continuous motor running on lipo ;)12:06
MiXu-They can draw hundreds of amps on startup12:06
DocScrutinizerhow's science?12:06
Weisspretty good at the moment - loads of conferences and experiments planned until about Feb12:06
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DocScrutinizerX-Fade: the amazing thing is jacekowski starts a 2MW Diesel generator with such a 'tiny' motor12:07
JaffaMorning, all12:07
X-FadeMine only weighs 375 gram.12:07
* DocScrutinizer ponders about e-bikes12:07
X-Fadegoogle for a123 bike ;)12:08
MiXu-Have you noticed how cheap you can get solar panels these days? I just ordered a bunch of 12V 0.5W panels for 8e/piece12:08
MiXu-I'm planning on building some sort of car ventilation system for hot days like these.12:09
MiXu-So the car doesn't get that hot when parked.12:09
X-FadeMiXu-: Call me back when they produce 0.5kW for 8e/piece? :)12:09
DocScrutinizerbtw, to whom it may concern: Change of PIN - **04*OLD_PIN*NEW_PIN*NEW_PIN#  works on PR1.2 with easter-egg12:09
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DocScrutinizerSo I'm considering to close 8033 today, after careful evaluation for a complete support of TS22.03012:11
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keriothe n900 needs a diesel generator12:13
DocScrutinizer*#61#, *#62#, *#67# works12:13
DocScrutinizer#31#NUMBER works12:13
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DocScrutinizer*100# worked even on PR1.1, with ussd app12:14
DocScrutinizer#002# _seems_ to work (""not complient with current status"")12:15
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DocScrutinizerI'll run thru a full test, list results, and publish on ticker 803312:16
DocScrutinizerticket even12:16
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DocScrutinizeralso need to check what's related to easter-egg and what is not12:16
jacekowskiDocScrutinizer: easter egg?12:17
jacekowskiDocScrutinizer: it changes pin to random value?12:17
povbotBug 8830: Dialer does not accept MMI codes (*#) from 3GPP TS 22.03012:17
DocScrutinizer-> easter-egg ~/.osso/call-ui.ini12:18
DocScrutinizer(random walue) more arbitrary value, yes12:18
DocScrutinizerrandom value wouldn't be quite handy, no? :-P12:19
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jacekowskii don't have that file12:20
jacekowskiand well, i wouldn't be suprised if it would change to random value12:21
DocScrutinizerme neither, that's why it took a while until I decided to create it. And now I'm unsure if that did change anything12:21
DocScrutinizerso: [2010-07-14 11:16:57] <DocScrutinizer> also need to check what's related to easter-egg and what is not12:21
DocScrutinizerjacekowski: could you test for change-pin without easter-egg, please?12:21
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DocScrutinizerold pin may be identical with new pin12:22 you don't actually change it, for your convenience12:23
DocScrutinizerjacekowski: also checking a simple *#67#<send> would be helpful12:24
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jacekowskii've got no idea what is my current pin12:24
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DocScrutinizerso it's probably 000012:24
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DocScrutinizerjacekowski: anyway even with wrong old_pin it won't hurt12:25
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DocScrutinizereither reports success or fail12:25
jacekowskiservice code not supported12:25
DocScrutinizeror says "illegal number" and that's what we don't want to see12:25
DocScrutinizerfor change_pin?12:26
jacekowskiwell i had "service code not supported"12:26
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jacekowskifor **04*0000*0000*0000#12:26
DocScrutinizermhm, so easter egg is actually needed12:26
jacekowskihmm, crap12:27
jacekowskiit looks like it's not only NOLO checking certificate12:27
jacekowskiCMT is doing it as well12:27
DocScrutinizersays "failed to change PIN" here12:27
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jacekowskiand CMT firmware seems to be a lot more secure12:27
Stskeepstold you..12:27
jacekowskihmm, i need a cluster12:28
WakoJackoHLike playing bzflag while idling and talking with other bzflag players? Have a go at ##Bzflagidlehouse12:28
jacekowskiso i can just bruteforce that cert12:28
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WakoJackoHTry ##Bzflagidlehouse12:28
DocScrutinizermake that an app, like seta@home for N900 :-P12:28
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DocScrutinizeridiot spammer12:29
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jacekowskiStskeeps: everything can be cracked12:32
Stskeepswith sufficient time12:33
DocScrutinizerjacekowski: I still miss what you're tackling12:33
DocScrutinizersignature for certain flasher partitions?12:33
DocScrutinizeror for modem firmware even?12:33
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jacekowskiwell, i'm just looking into how flashing is done12:35
jacekowskiand how hard would it be to flash CMT12:35
DocScrutinizerand what's CMT (sorry it's really too early for me)12:35
DocScrutinizerforget flashing modem firmware. it's usually checked internally inside modem12:36
jacekowskiwell, it's checked by nolo12:36
jacekowskiand then by modem again12:37
DocScrutinizerI don't know a single contemporary modem chipset where flashing a new firmware is THAT easy12:37
jacekowskinolo checks are not a problem12:37
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DocScrutinizer(except OM calypso :-P)12:37
DocScrutinizer(our certs are NULL)12:37
jacekowskiwell, thing is12:38
jacekowskithat i have way of wiping nolo certs12:38
jacekowskiand i'm not sure if they are the same for modem12:38
DocScrutinizerodds are they are not12:38
jacekowskihmm, firmware is downloaded to modem, verified and then flashed12:39
DocScrutinizerthere's a modem cert inside chipset, and you won't easily read it out12:39
DocScrutinizerso you don't even have access to public key12:39
jacekowskiand bugs that you can modify data after checks but before it's used are quite common12:39
Sceltwhy N900 doesn't resend automatically smses that failed to deliver?12:39
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misc--hi all, I'm connected to a wireless network but there is no wireless logo saying that I'm actually connected. How do I get this back? If I click the notification area, the 'internet connection' says not connected, but when I click on that, it shows that I'm connected to wireless12:41
jacekowskiwell, there is always jtag way12:42
hajhey... okay, I don't think my N900 shutting down this morning was related to heat12:43
jacekowskiit's still morning12:43
hajJust checked batterygraph... I was playing a bit of DuneII yesterday without charger connected, and when I quit it I connected it to the labtops USB (as I always do when it's night).. but I can see in batterygraph that something has been eating 60% cpu or something all night... So it wasn't charging.12:45
hajjacekowski: not here in Denmark :)12:45
hajsometimes it would be nice if batterygraph logged the app using the most cpu ;)12:46
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jacekowskihaj: well, 11:48 is still morning12:48
hajIn denmark we would call that midday... :)12:49
hajjacekowski: where are you based?12:49
hajokay.. :)12:50
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jacekowskinolo modifies cmt firmware13:07
jacekowskibefore it's uploaded to modem13:07
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jacekowskii need somebody brave enough to flash their phone with my firmware13:20
Venemojacekowski: what does your firmware contain?13:21
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jacekowskiVenemo: modified nolo13:26
jacekowskiVenemo: that may not boot at all13:26
Stskeepsi'd like to warn against that, as nolo is signed13:26
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Stskeepsand your n900 will be dead in the water13:27
MohammadAGi'd like to say if you bork nolo, you need a serial cable to fix it13:27
Stskeepsi'm not always sure this is possible13:27
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arachnistwhy oh why didn't N900 come with uboot?13:28
Stskeepsbecause more people would mess up their devices13:28
jacekowskiStskeeps: i'm not sure about nolo being signed13:29
Stskeepsi'm sure of it.13:29
jacekowskiwhat is checking that signature?13:30
Stskeepsomap hs13:30
D-Iivil_WorkStskeeps, you might know the answer I've been seeking for few days: do you know if there's more "polite" way to reload hildon-home than doing killall hildon-home? Built-in theme selecting application does this without losing all python -widgets from desktop while killall hildon-home makes them disappear 8/10 times.13:30
jacekowskihmm, i could use kexec13:30
Stskeepsie, the boot rom13:30
jacekowskito boot my version of nolo13:31
jacekowski( problem that nolo has to live at specific address in memory )13:31
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DocScrutinizerX-Fade: ping13:40
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kerioD-Iivil_Work: it's probably a dbus message13:43
keriouse a listener13:43
DocScrutinizerStskeeps: I thought there are diferent flavours of OMAP. Ones that check BL signature, and ones that don't13:43
Stskeepsthere is13:44
Stskeepsand n900 is one of those13:44
DocScrutinizerI can't tell for sure, from any of the info I got so far13:44
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DocScrutinizereven the schematics are obscure wrt that, as you'd probably need to pulldown a SoC pin to boot from serial13:46
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DocScrutinizerI'm sure one of the testpads in battery bay is for that, but schematics has virtually zero info about those testpads13:46
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jacekowskii'll play with these pins today13:50
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Stskeepsyou can afford a new n900, right? :P13:51
keriothat's what she said13:51
jacekowskii mean, enable r&d mode, enable serial flag13:51
jacekowskiStskeeps: i can13:51
jacekowskiStskeeps: i mean - i can afford to buy £2k scope13:51
jacekowskiStskeeps: that i'm going to useon that phone13:52
jacekowskibut well, scope is a tool13:52
jacekowskiusefull tool,13:52
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jacekowskiand wasting £500 isn't a thing i would like to do13:54
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jacekowskibut connecting scope isn't going to break it13:54
jacekowskii hope13:54
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tuliobaarshey, do someone know when the PR1.3 will release?13:56
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tuliobaarshey, anyone there?13:57
D-Iivil_Workthere's many of us here.13:58
D-Iivil_WorkMy wild guess about PR1.3 is that it'll be released the same moment as hell freezes.13:59
tuliobaarsohhh, so it would be soon13:59
andre__tuliobaars: Nokia does not announce release dates in advance.13:59
tuliobaarsjust forget14:00
crashanddiedamn, why is the neopwn website down14:00
MohammadAGI would be asking if there is even a 1.3, not when it's going to be released14:00
MohammadAGcrashanddie, some misconfiguration14:00
crashanddieMohammadAG: bollocks14:00
tuliobaarsi guess it will be released14:00
tuliobaarsi hope14:00
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crashanddieMohammadAG: actually, expires on 31st july 201014:01
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t-baarsso, why not the PR 1.3 won't going to be released?14:03
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crashanddiedid that not english not speaking not talking not leave?14:05
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alteregoNice, got adaptive Qt layouts when I rotate from portrait to landscape mode :)14:09
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gezHey everyone I just had redirect to on my n900 but not on my pc, has anyone else had a similar problem?14:23
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jacekowski hmmmm, what if i would connect USB cable + 100k resistor to BSI + 20-30ohms resistor to + an -14:26
jacekowskiand no batttery14:26
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keriojacekowski: should work i guess14:26
keriobme will probably complain14:26
keriodon't try to charge it14:27
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DocScrutinizerBEWARE!!! **04*0000*0000*0000# eats your PIN retries. After three times you need PUK!!14:44
* DocScrutinizer shouting swearwords14:45
Sceltwhy did you tell us what's the code?14:45
X-FadeDocScrutinizer: When your original pin isn't 0000, I would imagine it would.14:45
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DocScrutinizeryep, of course only if your oin is NOT 000014:46
X-FadeOtherwise it would be a nice way to find out a pin.14:46
DocScrutinizergoddamn shit, my PUK was incinerated 2 years ago14:46
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DocScrutinizerX-Fade: actually I thought about that previously, but wasn't clever enough to think about the implications14:48
X-FadeDocScrutinizer: Doesn't your provider know your puk?14:48
DocScrutinizerok, time for a walk to my provider's service point14:48
DocScrutinizerdunno, hope err pray for it14:49
X-FadeWhile you are at it: Try the puk code USSD :)14:49
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kerioDocScrutinizer: can't you just call?14:50
DocScrutinizernah, dialer asks for puk by itself14:50
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DocScrutinizerkerio: if I could do that, then puk/pin wouldn't be worth much, no? :-)14:50
direxis anybody aware of current problems with the autobuilder?14:50
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kerioDocScrutinizer: huh14:51
nidOcall as in just call your provider and ask them for the puk14:51
kerioit's your sim14:51
nidOie using another phone.14:51
DocScrutinizernidO: kerio: yep, and while I'm at it, I'll ask for your puk as well14:51
nidOgo for it14:51
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nidOif you know my phone number, name, address, dob, and secret question/answer14:52
nidOtheyll give it to you14:52
Maceri need a sim cloner14:52
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kerioyou basically just need name and ssn in italy14:52
DocScrutinizernidO: ok, good point. But I dunno any secret word either, I mean that sim is 12 years old now14:52
kerioand our "ssn" is a function of name, birthday and place of birth14:52
DocScrutinizernext shop is 5 min away14:53
DocScrutinizerif they really can tell me my PUK, then I'm happy about the walk14:53
kerioDocScrutinizer: what kind of nerd are you? :|14:54
keriogoing out, talking to people14:54
Venemokerio: LoooL :D14:54
Macer1GHz 512MB beagleboard?14:54
Maceri wouldnt mind finding a case for that :)14:54
Macerdo they sell beagleboard cases?14:54
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keriothe sheevaplug is cuter14:55
kerioless powerful, but cuter14:56
kerioalso costs less14:56
Macerthought sheevaplug didnt have a vid out14:57
kerioit has a usb out14:57
Macerfor video?14:58
ssvbMacer: IGEPv2 is another option, has a bit less MHz though14:58
kerioMacer: why not14:58
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Macerkerio: yeah i guess usb would do14:59
Macerbeagleboard has a bootable microsd slot tho15:00
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Macer32GB sd would be nice15:00
Macerwonder how well it would run as a low wnd server15:00
keriosheevaplug has a bootable sd slot15:00
Macerhow much ram?15:00
kerio512 iirc15:00
keriowait, maybe 256?15:01
keriobrb checking15:01
kerioMem:        513752     252468     261284          0      62228     11351215:01
Macernot bad15:01
kerionot sure15:01
ssvbMacer: 1.2GHz15:02
keriothe new models are out i think15:02
Macerssvb: no way15:02
Macerthat fast?15:02
Macerthat thing is a little beast15:02
Macerarm debian would be awesome on that15:02
keriofor... small values of beast15:02
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kerioyou mean arm ubuntu15:03
kerioit's preinstalled15:03
Maceryou cant switch to debian?15:03
keriooh, the new base model has the same15:03
ssvbMacer: but sheevaplug is an old armv5te core, without any kind of FPU, SIMD or any cool CPU features15:03
kerioit's just... waaaaay better looking15:03
kerioMacer: sure15:03
kerioi don't see the point though15:03
DocScrutinizerkerio: obviously not that kind of nerd. They were happy with my name and birthday15:04
Macerso 1.2GHz with no extra instructions ?15:04
Macerso it probably runs as fast as a 200MHz newer arm :)15:05
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ssvbMacer: it's just running at a high clock frequency, and has a lot higher power consumption than OMAP315:05
kerioMacer: :(15:06
keriostop dissing mah server15:06
fralssheevaplug is awesome!15:06
ssvbMacer: 1.2GHz clocked sheevaplug is something like 20% faster than 720MHz clocked IGEPv2 at compilation15:07
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ssvbMacer: higher MHz really pays off15:07
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keriofrals: it is15:09
kerio:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D15:09
Corsacssvb: twice the freq for 20% time doesn't look like it's worth the risk15:13
Corsac(for overclock I meant)15:14
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keriothe sheevaplug is cute15:15
ssvbCorsac: what risk? it does not need to run on a battery so can easily afford to consume 2-3x more power than other ARM processors15:16
kerioand still doesn't use a lot15:16
ssvbCorsac: it's less power efficient, but cheap15:16
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ssvbkerio: it depends, 7W is really a lot and unsuitable for a mobile phone for example15:18
keriowell of course15:19
keriobut it's basically nothing for a home server15:19
DocScrutinizerX-Fade: ping15:20
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jacekowskilook what i've found16:20
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jacekowskion N900 pin16:22
Stskeepsaand that's? :P16:23
SpeedEvil plz16:24
Stskeepskeep in mind there's one for cmt and one for linux side16:24
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jacekowskiSpeedEvil: that picture is bad16:24
jacekowskibesides, it looks little bit higher than 2.516:24
jacekowskimore like 2.616:24
jacekowskiand with bit width of little bit less than 10 micro secunds16:26
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SpeedEviloh - not rs232 then16:27
SpeedEvilactually - that's right for 115200 isn't it16:27
SpeedEvilyou're not doing anything to provoke this datastream? Is it constant?16:28
jacekowskii've enabled serial-console16:29
jacekowskior something like that16:29
jacekowskiand was power cycling16:29
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jacekowskiphone was powered from PSU without BSI connected16:29
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jacekowskisuggest something i could use to connect it to PC16:32
X-FadeIsn't something like a max555 needed or so?16:33
SpeedEvil232 I think you mean16:33
jacekowskimax232 is 5V16:33
jacekowskiand i don't have it on the shelf anyways16:33
SpeedEvilthere are variants16:33
X-FadeEhm yeah, rusty here ;)16:33
Macerwow bleach got incredibly stupid16:34
jacekowskii've added my findings to that page16:34
SpeedEvil jacekowski?16:34
jacekowskiSpeedEvil: something from my shelf16:34
jacekowskii'm not patient enough to wait for thath16:34
X-Fadejacekowski: Do you have old data cables for phone lying around?16:35
jacekowskiall stuff i have is 5V16:35
SpeedEvilFor a hack - a comparator at 1.4V or so16:35
Macernothing beats making something that will fry your phone16:35
jacekowskihmm, i have some lov volatage stuff16:35
Macerhook resistors up to it16:35
jacekowskiwith resistor16:35
SpeedEvilIt's very low risk to just connect (observing anti-static precautions) an input through a 10K resistor - say16:36
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SpeedEvilA NPN, with a 10K base resistor would work OK too16:37
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jacekowskiBC337 is NPN16:42
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luke-jrjacekowski: router?16:59
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luke-jrjacekowski: for my TTL-level stuff, I use my WRT54G's second serial port16:59
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DocScrutinizerjacekowski: check polarity. LV-RS232 often is inverted logic. You need to find out level of stopbit17:00
X-FadeJig probably has coversion hardware though.17:01
DocScrutinizerlol - yes but is "1" 0V or 2.5V here?17:01
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jacekowskiX-Fade: i don't have a jig17:03
DocScrutinizerthat's the whole problem. Where to get a jig17:03
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DocScrutinizera cheap one, not containing loads of useless crap17:04
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jacekowskihmm, let me ask somebody17:04
StskeepsDocScrutinizer: .. i think there's only barebone ones, heh17:05
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jacekowskiok, i've just spoken to somebody17:07
jacekowskiand he'll ask his family17:07
jacekowski( he's wife is chinese )17:07
X-FadeAh, then she _must_ know ;)17:07
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lcuktracy used to come back from work (in a bookshop) and she would be infuraited by people who came in and said "I'm looking for a book, it had a blue cover"17:08
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DocScrutinizerFlash adapter FS-94 is used for phone testing and flashing. FS-94 is used with the generic flash adapter base SS-60/62 and control unit CU-4 or interface adapter SS-46.17:09
DocScrutinizerWhen flashing or system testing the phone, the adapter is attached to replace the phone own battery. All functions (as well as the calibration voltages, current and the protections for over voltages, over current and voltage polarity), are performed by CU-4.17:09
DocScrutinizerFlash adapter FS-94 main features: • VBATT supply interface   • USB / FBUS multiplexed interface to the phone17:09
DocScrutinizercheck SM_L3_4.pdf17:10
wazdRST38h: around? :)17:10
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DocScrutinizerthere's FS-94, MJ-174, CU-4, FLS-5, FPS-21... incredible17:11
Clockwork1anbody use a n810 in here?17:11
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luke-jrClockwork1: yes17:15
Clockwork1What do you use it for?17:16
luke-jrwardriving when GPS works17:16
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jaskamine mostly reads ebooks with fbreader :P17:30
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jacekowskithat phone needs some low low low power mode17:50
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jacekowskiwhen only thing that could wake it up would be incoming call17:50
SpeedEvilIt does17:50
SpeedEvilif by that, you mean n90017:50
keriojacekowski: i was thinking of something even more radical17:51
SpeedEvilecho ram >/sys/power/state17:51
lcukor unlocking or opening camera or pressing keys or ...17:51
SpeedEvilthis will wake on GSM incoming call17:51
jacekowskibut lot of hardware is still working17:51
SpeedEvilHowever it also wakes on GSM signal change - which isn't so great17:51
keriodualboot with a "dumbphone" OS17:51
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jacekowskiideally some state where omap would be powered down17:51
jacekowskiand only cellmo would be working17:51
SpeedEviljacekowski: It's supsended to RAM in that state17:52
jacekowskiram is still powered17:52
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SpeedEvildraw is - IIRC - around half of nominal17:52
SpeedEvilso ~250 hours, not 140 hours standby17:52
kerioSpeedEvil: drawbacks?17:52
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SpeedEvilIt doesn't work as the modem is configured to report state-change events17:53
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SpeedEviland these are frequent enough that teh powersaving of this mode is wiped out as it's quite expensive to enter/leave17:53
SpeedEvilthis is - in principle - trivial to change17:54
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SpeedEvilthe modem can be configured to not announce signalstate changes.17:54
keriojacekowski: write a dumbphone OS17:54
SpeedEvilBut it's a closed module that talks to the phone.17:54
SpeedEvilOther than this - all the software 'just works'17:54
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SpeedEvilSuspend to 'disk' might save another 20% or so - but at the cost of vastly more overhead starting up.17:55
SpeedEvilAs in 15s to wakeup17:56
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achipaX-Fade: ping18:00
crashanddiehi Pauly18:01
Paulymy fmms is not owrking correctly ughhh, wont download. worked fine be4 i reflashed.18:01
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Paulycrashanddie: sup?18:02
kerioi should try fmms18:02
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Paulyshould i connect to the mms internet connection before i start fmms?18:03
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Paulykerio: it used to work good. but now it just gets stuck at downloading mms.18:06
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Paulyit has to be something wrong with my config18:06
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kevloralHello all18:08
crashanddiehi kevloral18:11
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* DocScrutinizer wonders how SpeedEvil has come to the conclusion that modem actually isn't set to no_unsol - on locking the device18:16
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SpeedEvilecho ram >/sys/power/suspend18:17
SpeedEvilUnder some circumstances, the phone wakes 'randomly'18:18
SpeedEvilIt does not do this if GSM is turned off18:18
SpeedEvilIt does not do this - sometimes - if it's in a very good signal area if it can only see one cell site18:18
SpeedEvilit wakes on ring18:18
SpeedEviland that pnatd gives the unsolicited messages at about the right rate to account for the wakeups18:19
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DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: but what makes you sure about a lockscreen does NOT set modem to no_unsol_msgs mode?18:21
SpeedEvilbecause I was doing some of the tests with it locked18:22
DocScrutinizeror maybe some timeout in cellmo driver when detecting nobody cares about unsol-msgs18:22
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DocScrutinizerfsck, how comes xchat behaves like brainwashed on a new device, even when ~/.xchat2 has been copied over from a correctly configured one18:28
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* DocScrutinizer reprograms the silos to target on gconf18:29
DocScrutinizer~nuke gconf18:29
* infobot prepares 100 missle silos, and targets them at gconf ... B☢☢M!18:29
crashanddie~nuke infobot18:30
* infobot prepares 100 missle silos, and targets them at infobot ... B☢☢M!18:30
DocScrutinizerBS! linux, always nothing but hassle :-P18:31
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jophishHowdy. I'm trying to send my n900 off under warranty (useless usb port). However I have been unable to find a freepost address for the USA, and the relevant forms18:35
jophishhas anyone else had to send a phone to a nokia repair center in the USA18:35
PerfDavejophish: I had a useless USB port but a hard reset fixed it...18:35
jophishMine has done this:
jophishI don't think that reset will fix it PerfDave :)18:36
PerfDaveYeah, that's quite broken ;)18:37
jophishah, I found the form18:37
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Weissjophish: you're not the first person to experience that, I gather.  I also read that later models have proper pins going right through the PCB to avoid the USB port falling off like that (earlier models are just surface mounted, which isn't strong enough)18:41
jophishYeah, I have had it rejected for repair here in the UK because it was a us based imei number18:41
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jophishwhen I get it back, I plan to flood it with hot glue :)18:41
crashanddiejophish: did you try flashing it?18:41
crashanddiejophish: (just kidding)18:41
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mgedmindid they refuse to fix it for free (i.e. under warranty), or did they refuse to fix it at all?18:42
jophishat all18:42
crashanddiewell, get the service repair manual to take it apart18:42
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jophishfortunately, I'm flying to the states tomorrow18:42
crashanddieand solder it back18:42
mgedminjophish, undoubtly flashing *would* fix it, but you can't flash without a working USB port18:42
mgedminelementary chicken-and-egg18:42
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jophishcrashanddie, I would have, except that I dont have a teeny tiny hex screqdriver18:42
jophishprobably best though18:42
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crashanddiejophish: I bought a 2 quid screwdriver set, and filed off a bit off one of 'em, so it would fit18:43
jophishand voided your warranty too :)18:43
jophishnot that it is working for me18:43
crashanddiewell, it was an n810, it was already OOW18:44
jophishah ok18:44
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jophishno problems with my n81018:44
crashanddiethe screen stopped working18:44
crashanddiewith mine18:44
crashanddieso I just took it apart, and repluged the screen cable18:44
jophishwhat should I put as an explanation on the nokia form to ensure that it is repaired?18:45
jophishThe usb port has fallen out...18:45
crashanddie"USB Port failure as noted in class action lawsuit #33849183 filed under the California District"18:46
jophishthat sounds impressive18:47
crashanddieit's utter bullshit though18:47
jophishI thought as much, I couldnt find any information on that suit18:47
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cedaHi. I want to initiate calls from my computer. Ideally, this would work over bluetooth. is as close as I've gotten (by searching, haven't tried anything yet)18:59
cedais this doable with a N900?18:59
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Venemoceda: why not try?19:06
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cedastill at work, locked down windows machine ...19:16
cedawork=customer site19:16
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Venemohey guys.19:20
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Venemowhat do you think would be the best key combination for strike-through text?19:20
VenemoWhen Ctrl+S is reserved for save19:21
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redwhy the heck would anyone want to bind strike-thru19:23
cedaVenemo: Ctrl+/ perhaps19:24
Venemoceda: there is no dediacated / on the N900.19:24
Venemored: well, it was a feature request. :)19:24
redmake it shift control a :)19:24
cedaVenemo: F then perhaps, it's where the - character is at19:25
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Venemoceda: well, Ctrl+F is usually associated with Search/Find19:25
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kevloralbye all19:26
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GAN900Venemo, ctrl-fn-v19:26
VenemoGAN900: hm. I'll try that.19:26
VenemoGAN900: you are right, the fn+v is the /19:26
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VenemoGAN900: it's not working.19:29
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GAN900Venemo, Sym may be interfering19:30
VenemoGAN900: that can be easily mistaken with Ctrl+V19:31
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DocScrutinizer51keep in mind the borked fsckup kbd matrix. N-key rollover won't work sometimes19:35
RZIs it known that open TTD doesn't work?19:36
VenemoRZ: it works for me.19:37
RZHm that's not good for me.19:37
VenemoRZ: although the -devel version may not work correctly19:37
RZ-devel version is from the repos? In Nokia program nanager?19:38
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DocScrutinizer51i.e. results of any 3  keys pressed same time are not easily predictable19:38
jacekowskifucking hell19:39
jacekowskiserial from n90019:39
RZShould read program manager.19:40
DocScrutinizer51jacekowski: WOOOOT19:41
jacekowskii just got that from my phone via serial19:41
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DocScrutinizer51~hail jacekowski19:42
* infobot bows down to jacekowski and chants, "I'M NOT WORTHY!!"19:42
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DocScrutinizer51jacekowski: pins? levels? baudrates?19:43
jacekowskihigh one19:43
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jacekowskii've update wiki page19:43
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jacekowskibut it's one on the set closer to a sticker19:43
ShapeshifterSo, if you like my game, you can now vote for the package in testing
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DocScrutinizer51jacekowski: found RX as well?19:44
jacekowskinot yet19:45
jacekowski115200 8-N-119:47
DocScrutinizer51jacekowski: but it should be easy now to say for sure which UART is used (by sending to all available and check output on pin). Then check which GPIO has RX of same UART, and wiggle that GPIO to trace down the assoc testpad19:48
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jacekowskihmmm, something is wrong19:48
jacekowskii don't get anything now19:48
jacekowskii see data on a scope19:48
jacekowskiit looks like my serial port is dead19:48
DocScrutinizer51I consider to produce a small series of fixtures incl levelshifter19:49
jacekowski1st serial19:50
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jacekowskihmm, so how is it comunicating with cellmo19:50
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DocScrutinizer51a completely separate set of pads for cellmo FBUS19:50
jacekowskitake a look at schematic19:51
jacekowskiuart0 is connected to cellmo19:51
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jacekowskihmm uart119:51
DocScrutinizer51aah. main app processor to cellmo? that's some membus or I2C19:51
DocScrutinizer51afk for a walk...19:52
jacekowskihmm, SSI19:52
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jacekowskii've heard that name before19:53
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jacekowskihome time19:55
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Shifthi. Hope one of you could help me... I created a Theme for the N900, using MADDE. Just like it's written in the TUT .20:15
Shiftbut after using the maemo extras assistant it says FAILED20:15
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Shifti'm pretty new in maemo/linux world.... hope you can help.20:16
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ShapeshifterShift: I'm not sure as I don't usually do things like this, but I think your problem is in the file where you have a string: THEME_NAME="NightShifts First S[3~trike[Crike"e20:18
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Shiftokay. sory to ask that dumb, but what does this mean?20:18
ShapeshifterShift: line 14, THEME_NAME, it contains weird escape characters. And that is the file autobuilder failed on, as you can see in this log
Shapeshifter"scratchbox/tools/bin/ ERROR: end of file in string"20:19
ShapeshifterShift: understand?20:19
Shifti see. so the problem could be just a bad name ?20:19
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Shapeshifterindeed. Something is wrong with that line. I don't know how you ended up with that, just make sure that it is fixed, i.e. only contains proper characters when you retry building the package.20:20
ShapeshifterShift: also, try reading the FAILED.txt logfile, it usually tries to be very specific in telling you what is wrong, such as in this case20:21
Shiftyes. understood.20:21
Shiftthank you20:21
ShapeshifterShift: basically, when you encounter such logs, start at the bottom and go as far up until stuff seems normal. the first thing that says "error" or somesuch is usually the culprit, the rest just fails consequently.20:22
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jacekowskiDocScrutinizer51: well, nolo can program cellmo somehow20:27
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jacekowskiDocScrutinizer51: so it has to be connected20:27
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jacekowskiand there is a question20:30
jacekowskihow to get into nolo interactive console20:31
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Shiftthank's again Shapeshifter!! Finally it worked :)20:33
PaulyN900hey, anyone know how to fix fmms20:33
PaulyN900its bothering me, plus my gf sent me a pic! lol20:34
keriotell her to *mail* the pic20:34
keriomms suck20:35
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kerioit has an arbitrary restriction on message size, image resolution and movie resolution and duration20:35
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PaulyN900lol i know but it worked before i reflashed20:35
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PaulyN900ya figures, ill just set up gmail on the mail client20:36
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PaulyN900btw i think im logged in as pauly upstairs on my pc lol20:37
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* RST38h is running iostat for the last 12 hours20:50
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Stskeepscould be interesting to see20:52
RST38hit looks like every write to MyDocs wakes up the thumbnailer though =(20:53
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lcukRST38h, wakes up the thumbnailer or tracker or both?21:04
fralsinternet at home \o/21:06
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RST38hdunno about tracket, htop did not show it21:08
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lcukRST38h, potentially being woken by tracker which doesnt do that much whilst thumbnailing is a heavier process perhaps21:11
lcukfrals, w00000t21:11
RST38hSmartQ went Android.21:12
Stskeepsno surprises21:12
RST38hlcuk: may all these nice processes burn in hell.21:12
DocScrutinizerjacekowski: you're right - UART1 is RAPUYAMA, as is McBSP4 and DSS_DATAx21:13
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lcukRST38h, but without them we will never know that yoursong.mp3 was 2 minutes long21:13
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lcukyou may one day wish to sort by track length21:13
RST38hI think pupnik found a way to disable the sucker21:13
lcukthen where will you be :p21:13
RST38hBut of course it also requires a desktop button saying "Rescan media"21:14
GAN900Thumbnailing is unbelievably slow21:15
jacekowskibtw. there is one more flag21:15
GAN900It's worse than pulling focus when it thumbnailed videos in 10.6.021:15
lcukyeah it is GAN90021:15
jacekowskiDocScrutinizer: have you seen that message from nolo21:15
lcukits a tough software problem21:15
jacekowski[   0.340] Initializing USB21:15
jacekowski[   0.348]   No USB host detected21:15
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DocScrutinizerjacekowski: lemme check again, good large screen now, and kbd/mouse :-P21:16
RST38hcompletely kills photo app usage too21:16
lcukyeah RST38h21:16
RST38hyou make two photos - and thn the thumbnailer kicks in and you are stuck with a non responding device21:16
jacekowskii've lost my mouse21:16
jacekowskisomewhere between home and work21:16
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lcukRST38h, thumbing is done at much lower priority isnt it21:17
DocScrutinizer[   0.147] Battery voltage 3.436 V, BSI: 0   --  :-P21:18
SpeedEvilThe Prio is a lie!21:18
jacekowskiDocScrutinizer: power supply21:18
jacekowskiDocScrutinizer: i had only + an - connected21:18
DocScrutinizerBSI looks odd21:18
lcukive spoken about this in the past - i think a potential workaround would be having the image application which is creating the photo should save a thumbnail itself from its own in memory data21:18
DocScrutinizeraah ok21:18
SpeedEvil(in the case of swapping shit out)21:18
RST38hlcuk: it starts accessing the mmc - and then you are fucked, whatever priority it has been at21:18
DocScrutinizerweird it did boot nevertheless21:18
jacekowski[   0.157] Disabling charging (no battery present)21:19
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DocScrutinizerlol, ok21:19
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lcukRST38h, sure21:19
DocScrutinizer[   0.333]   Über-cool backlight fade-in took 9 ms   MUHAHA21:20
DocScrutinizer[   0.429] Serial console enabled   --- jacekowski this looks nice21:21
ZogG Über-cool ?21:21
jacekowskiDocScrutinizer: well, it boots system straight away21:21
SpeedEvilA fade-in over 9ms?21:21
ZogGwhat the f is this letter «Ü»21:21
jacekowskiDocScrutinizer: so i think you have to do something else as well21:21
ZogGit's a smiley21:21
SpeedEvilThat's so cool.21:21
DocScrutinizerjacekowski: probably fill UART RX FIFO with '.'21:22
DocScrutinizerZogG: Ü is what you'd transscribe as ue21:23
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DocScrutinizerso Über is over21:23
DocScrutinizeror overly21:23
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jacekowskiand other thing is21:24
jacekowskithat it looks like while flashing CMT21:24
jacekowskinolo modifies that firmware21:24
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RoazielHi everyone. Is it possibl for the N900 to share its internet connection with my PC via USB or possibly even bluetooth (preferable USB)? I ask because my wireless card broke and Im too far from my router to pull a cable, but my N900 can connect just fine21:25
DocScrutinizerjacekowski: you know why Nokia is using that CAL shit? Simply because they have a universal CALibrating&testing software called Phoenix, that depends on this CAL shit, for things like ALS calibration and whatnot21:25
jacekowski~info ALS21:26
infoboti heard als is the atlanta linux showcase. http://www.linuxshowcase.org21:26
jacekowskibut going back to nolo and cmt21:27
DocScrutinizerjacekowski: I asked for FS-94 fixture at Nokia care, reply: "You need to be a certified Nokia competence partner to get access to that shit (piss off sucker)"21:27
jacekowskinah, you just have to know people21:28
StskeepsFS-94 comes with a dongle and stuff i thin21:28
DocScrutinizerjacekowski: I'm planning to build ~20 fixtures 'manufactum' and sell21:28
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jacekowskibtw. i saw a link for phonix someewhere21:28
DocScrutinizerStskeeps: nope, dongle is separate, there are 2 or 3 versions, and for sure you have to pay for those as well. Needed to start Phoenix pile-o-BS21:29
jacekowskidongle isn't a problem21:29
jacekowskitbh. dongles are the worst protection at the moemnt21:30
DocScrutinizeranyway in the end we are the least interested in Phoenix. We want bootconsole21:30
jacekowskipartialy because of the way most of people implement them21:30
Stskeepswhat you want access to is the serial pads, only interesting thing21:30
jacekowskiStskeeps: well, we do have access to serial pads21:30
Stskeepsgot output yet?21:30
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Stskeepscongrats :)21:31
DocScrutinizerHail jacekowski21:31
jacekowskiwell, 10 minutes with scope21:31
lcuk:) indeed, well done guys21:31
jacekowskiand another 10 with soldering iron to build simple level shifter21:31
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DocScrutinizerlcuk: half way there21:31
DocScrutinizernow we neeed RX21:32
jacekowskibut there is that thing21:32
jacekowski[   0.121] SMB138C: Not loading driver (version reg. 0x4b)21:32
lcuksure DocScrutinizer, but every step taken takes you closer to having fully used capable system21:32
jacekowskiand that SMB138C is very similiar to BQ2415021:32
lcukthe n900 doesnt have as many unused bits as the n8x0 had21:32
DocScrutinizerthere's [   0.127] BQ24150 (rev. 3) found on I2C bus 1, address 0x6b   in next line21:33
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jacekowskitake a look at that21:33
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jacekowski[   0.001] Nokia OMAP Loader v1.4.1 (Mar 25 2009) running on Nokia N00 S2.021:33
jacekowski[   0.002] Nokia OMAP Loader v1.4.14 (Apr 22 2010) running on Nokia N900 F5 (RX-21:34
Stskeepsheh, you never had a N00? ;p21:34
DocScrutinizeranyway, who of you would be interested in a set of fixture, levelshifter, battery/psu ?21:34
DocScrutinizerand how much would you be willing to pay for it?21:34
jacekowski i would be more interested in some sort of breakout box21:34
StskeepsDocScrutinizer: i think a 30 eur kit could be interesting21:34
jacekowskiso i would have everything on easily accessible big terminals21:35
Stskeepsobviously i have a jig, but for others..21:35
DocScrutinizerStskeeps: sorry, then I have to pay same on top for each set21:35
iPeter-hey, where is bootscreen manager from repos21:35
jacekowskiStskeeps: you have a jig?21:35
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jacekowskiStskeeps: where have you bought it?21:35
X-Fadelol :)21:35
X-Fadejacekowski: Stskeeps has an official hacker position ;)21:36
Stskeepsjacekowski: didn't buy, there's advantages to being contractor and i have to have one to do my job :P21:36
PaulyN900hey im in my car and realized that fm transmitter and charging dont work together any way around that?21:36
StskeepsDocScrutinizer: what do you consider a fair price?21:36
DocScrutinizerX-Fade: he went to the darlk side of the power21:36
Stskeepsi'm quite good on that side21:36
jacekowskiwho do you have to kill to became an official hacker21:36
Stskeepswell, besides selling my soul21:36
X-FadeDocScrutinizer: Yes, I meet Stskeeps there every oncein a while ;)21:36
jacekowskiStskeeps: so if your phone goes bad you can fix it then?21:37
jacekowskiStskeeps: i'll have couple things for you to test21:37
Stskeepsjacekowski: yeah and i do really nasty things to it at times. i can't fix nolo problems though, i believe21:37
DocScrutinizerStskeeps: dunno yet, need a BL-5C to kill, another one for powering, a levelshifter, and CNC-cut acrylic / pogopins etc21:37
DocScrutinizera lot of these things get dramatically cheaper on numbers21:37
luke-jrI think T-Mobile blocked my domain21:38
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DocScrutinizerStskeeps: one original BL-5C to slaughter is ~25EUR21:39
X-FadeDocScrutinizer: Only for the terminals?21:39
DocScrutinizerwill see if I get away with cheaper replicas21:39
DocScrutinizerX-Fade: yep21:39
X-FadeDocScrutinizer: Then a $2 one will do just fine :)21:39
DocScrutinizerX-Fade: possibly21:39
X-FadeDocScrutinizer: And you can even use almost any other nokia battery then too.21:40
DocScrutinizerthat's why I can't say exact numbers. But CNC acrylic blocks alone aren't exactly an apple and an agg21:40
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Stskeeps.. what kind of design do you expect to have?21:41
DocScrutinizerthough get drastically cheaper if you get 50 instead if 521:41
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DocScrutinizersimilar to FS-9421:41
Stskeepsgot a picture?21:42
DocScrutinizerat least I got a good photo :-P21:42
DocScrutinizeryep, in L3_421:42
Stskeepsyou basically need something to attach to the battery pins, something hook-like can work, and then pins against the serial..21:43
DocScrutinizerN900_RX51_SM_L3_4.pdf p.2921:43
Stskeepsand a stable foundation to put this on .. and a hairban21:43
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DocScrutinizerlook at the photo in ServiceManual_L3_421:44
Stskeepsyeah, i recall it21:44
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jacekowskiwhy most of nokia development/software engineering are in india21:45
jacekowskiengineering jobs*21:45
DocScrutinizeror I register for a certified Nokia competence partner, and get the originals :-P21:45
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DocScrutinizerfor ~100EUR I'd guess21:45
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VDVsxjacekowski, there's a lot of them in Finland as well :)21:46
DocScrutinizergoogle has ZERO hits for Nokia FS-9421:46
jacekowskiDocScrutinizer: take a look at FS-94 photo21:46
jacekowskiDocScrutinizer: and pins21:47
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jacekowskiDocScrutinizer: these are probably serial pins21:47
Stskeepslo TomaszD, still melting?21:47
DocScrutinizerI did, I did XP21:47
jacekowskione of them would be gnd - easy to find21:47
jacekowskiand one would be RX21:47
TomaszDStskeeps, hey21:47
DocScrutinizerjacekowski: exactly21:48
* luke-jr mutters21:48
* VDVsx is also melting :P21:48
DocScrutinizerjacekowski: beware: battery minus != GND!!21:48
TomaszDbut going insane otherwise, not sure why21:49
jacekowskiDocScrutinizer: i don't see where negative would be used in that phone21:49
jacekowskiDocScrutinizer: and what would generate it21:49
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DocScrutinizerjacekowski: uh?21:50
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jacekowskiyou said battery minus21:50
VDVsxStskeeps, met one of the guys that work in the adaptation team with you(can't remember the name :P)21:50
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VDVsxat akademy21:50
DocScrutinizerjacekowski: ust saying battery minus is not identical to general device GND level, there's RS in between21:51
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StskeepsVDVsx: ah, Sage / Marko?21:52
VDVsxStskeeps, exactly Sage :)21:53
DocScrutinizerwell, I'll do a little gambling a say for 89EUR I can sell a set - fixture plus USB to lv-rs232, plus battery connector for original device bat for buffering, plus a simple charger to keep battery up on a comfy level21:53
DocScrutinizermaybe if UPS doesn't take 20 for shipping, I'll earn some 5 bucks per unit21:54
jacekowskiDocScrutinizer: i would be more interested in just a breakout thingy21:54
jacekowskiDocScrutinizer: without any electronics inside21:54
DocScrutinizerdoesn't change things much. the expensive part is the mechanics21:55
DocScrutinizerthe LV-RS232->USB is probably 5.9921:55
jacekowskiwell, and it would have to have full set of connectors21:56
jacekowskifor all pins21:56
DocScrutinizercan do21:57
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DocScrutinizersoldering n 3 pogopins isn't much simpler to doing it with 2021:57
DocScrutinizerpogopins are ~80ct/unit, in single qty21:58
DocScrutinizerthe PCB to solder them on is always same price21:58
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DocScrutinizerso add anothe 20 bucks and you get full set of contacts, even with 20cm wire attached22:00
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ZogGDocScrutinizer, i need your german skills22:00
fiferboylbt: Did a real-world test of Shopper last week22:01
jacekowskihande hoh22:01
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trumeeanybody knows what is $4 in mc-account set $acct string:local-ip-address=$4?22:08
povbot`Bug 1860: Won't pass through VPN22:08
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povbot`Bug 1860: Won't pass through VPN22:08
trumeei tried that shell script nokia.up and echoed $4 but it is a blank22:09
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DocScrutinizerZogG: ?22:09
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ZogGDocScrutinizer translate please22:09
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lbtfiferboy: :)22:10
trumeeanybody understand shell scripts :)22:10
DocScrutinizerZogG: the very first time I'm really really happy my flash plugin update borked the audio of my desktop system for flash22:10
luke-jrtrumee: who doesn't?22:11
crashanddietrumee: it's the fourth argument passed to the shell interpreter22:11
ZogGDocScrutinizer =(22:11
fiferboylbt: Although I did end up with a bag of potato chips that was not on my list...22:11
ZogGtrumee in russia scripts have to understand you22:11
crashanddietrumee: $* is all arguments, $1 is program name, $2 is first argument, $3 second, $4 is fourth22:11
ZogGask RST38h22:11
trumeeluke-jr: yup, but what is the fourth arguement being passed. i dont see any in
povbot`Bug 1860: Won't pass through VPN22:11
DocScrutinizercrashanddie: err what?22:12
crashanddietrumee: $4 should equal string:proxy-host=vpn-host.example.com22:12
crashanddietrumee: woops, sorry, no22:13
crashanddietrumee: forget my previous line22:13
trumeecrashanddie: this is simpler version
povbot`Bug 1860: Won't pass through VPN22:13
DocScrutinizertrumee: $0 is progname22:14
DocScrutinizer$1 is first parameter22:14
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crashanddieDocScrutinizer: oh is it?22:14
trumeecrashanddie: does openvpn pass arguements to nokia.up script?22:15
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crashanddieah yes, my bad, sorry for the confusion22:15
trumeebecause i dont see any arguement otherwise22:15
DocScrutinizerjr@halley:~> function xx {22:15
DocScrutinizer> echo $122:15
DocScrutinizer> echo $222:15
DocScrutinizer> echo $022:15
DocScrutinizer> }22:15
DocScrutinizerjr@halley:~> xx 1 2 322:15
trumeeso anybody who has used vpn could please explain me
povbot`Bug 1860: Won't pass through VPN22:17
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DocScrutinizerluke-jr: yoh, sorry. should have replaced a few \n by ;22:19
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alteregoJust disassembled and reassembled my Dell Mini 9, had to replace the LCD panel.22:19
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alteregoWas quite nice, a bit time consuming but quite easy22:19
DocScrutinizer~seen drgrov22:19
infobotdrgrov <> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 21h 59m 7s ago, saying: 'luke-jr: I do tons of phone calls each day and I really depend on call forwarding to work since if I run out of battery it will nicely revert it to my work phone or vice versa'.22:19
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keriois there a way to rightclick and middleclick with the vnc viewer?22:25
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kerioalso, is there a way to rotate the view?22:26
kerioor to stretch it22:27
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lbtfiferboy: bug or feature? :D22:29
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fiferboylbt: Feature!22:29
* lbt adds "New feature: Blame shopper for randomly adding items to your list"22:30
sepultinai can't dist-upgrade my n90022:30
alteregosepultina: that's a bad idea anyway22:31
sepultinaError Output is: python2.5-minimal: Depends: pymaemo-optify but it is not going to be installed22:31
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DocScrutinizersepultina: that's the reason why dist-upgrade is deprecated22:32
sepultinaalterego: i use only apt for all. Is this so wrong?22:32
alteregoOnly really bad for dist-upgrade really.22:32
alteregoIt wont work.22:32
alteregoOr if it doesn, it might not work properly.22:32
infobotalterego meant: Or if it does, it might not work properly.22:33
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DocScrutinizerjacekowski: is the picture of FS-94 in line with what you founf for serial-pads?22:34
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jacekowskiDocScrutinizer: yes22:34
jacekowskithat's why i mentioned it22:34
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jacekowskiDocScrutinizer: i've added all info there22:38
DocScrutinizerjust got a headache parsing it :-D22:38
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DocScrutinizerjacekowski: what means "According to my measurements with DMM (Digital Multi Meter) the following pads are ground" ? What did you do and read exactly for a pad to qualify for GND?22:41
jacekowskiDocScrutinizer: that's not mine22:41
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jacekowskiSpeedEvil: is that you?22:42
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SpeedEvilI have not touched my devices pads with a DMM22:43
jacekowskii've added signature under mine22:44
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DocScrutinizerEHLO SpeedEvil22:44
* SpeedEvil ponders going back to sleep22:45
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jacekowski502 error command not recogized22:45
DocScrutinizernah, now is blue hour. best hour of the day22:45
jacekowskiwell, i could take my phone apart and do some more accurate measurments22:46
jacekowskiand i could probably xray it22:47
jacekowskion proper electronics xray22:47
jacekowskibut that would probably void warranty22:47
jacekowskii'll make a call tomorrow22:48
DocScrutinizerand maybe erase flash and depolarize microphone electrete membrane22:48
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DocScrutinizerxray isn't that harmless to electrnics as it is to humans ;-P22:49
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DocScrutinizeralso believe me you'll get mad on 6..8 layer PCB22:51
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DocScrutinizerthere's been a mad dentist on tmo who alrady did xray shots22:52
SpeedEvilSimply sand the PCB lightly, and then take a photo. Repeat until all the way through22:52
DocScrutinizerthat's the russian way22:52
SpeedEvil(may void warranty more than xray)22:52
DocScrutinizerthey copied zilog Z80 this way22:53
DocScrutinizerand en passant found 16 new undocumented commands, while REing the silicon22:53
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DocScrutinizerok, they did the 'photos' with a electron microscope22:54
DocScrutinizernah, the 'industry standard' procedure for this is to unsolder all components and place the PCB on a nailbed tester22:55
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SmegheadHow do i create subfolders where i have all the programs etc?22:56
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SmegheadAnd move stuff there?22:56
jacekowskiDocScrutinizer: hmmm, we have jtag22:57
jacekowskiDocScrutinizer: well, there should be jtag22:57
jacekowskiDocScrutinizer: are jtag pins shared with gpio pins?22:58
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jacekowskiif yes then we can use boundary scan22:58
jacekowskiand get everything22:58
* Arkenoi had never seen russian z80, all russian hardware had imported z80 cpus22:58
DocScrutinizerSmeghead: check out apmefo application22:58
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Arkenoithere was russian made i8080 which was pretty widespread22:59
DocScrutinizerjacekowski: obviously nope. you can't have dual function on JTAG22:59
jacekowskiDocScrutinizer: you can22:59
Smegheadn900 nub i have the maemo repository added can i find it under application managedr?22:59
jacekowskiDocScrutinizer: avr's do have dual function22:59
jacekowskiArkenoi: these were made in polan22:59
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jacekowskiArkenoi: in CEMI22:59
DocScrutinizerjacekowski: yes you can, but then you can't JTAG that GPIO22:59
kerioi JTAGed her GPIO23:00
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RST38hArkenoi: GDR made U280, that was a Z80 clone23:00
RoazielHi everyone. Is it possibl for the N900 to share its internet connection with a PC via USB or possibly even bluetooth (preferable USB)? I ask because my wireless card broke and Im too far from my router to pull a cable, but my N900 can connect just fine.23:00
RST38hArkenoi: USSR also made Z80s at the end23:00
Smegheadthats just mumbojumbo to me can you be more specific :)23:00
jacekowskiRoaziel: not with stock kernel23:00
jacekowskiRoaziel: but power kernel can do it23:00
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RoazielIm sorry. I dont even know what that is -_-23:01
kerioRoaziel: yeah23:01
RST38hArkenoi: I do not remember the series, it was something like K1819 or K182623:01
kerioinstall the power kernel, set up USB networking, enable ip forwarding, and tell your OS to use the n900 as the gateway23:01
DocScrutinizerSmeghead: go, learn about extras-testing and extras-devel repos. read and *understand* the warnings. Add repos, apmefo is in devel afaik23:01
kerioit *should* work23:01
ArkenoiRST38h, hmm, i've seen some Robotron's dissected and all had Zilog CPUs inside23:01
SpeedEvilRoaziel: you can also simply tether using the phone, like any other phone.This is not sharing the internet connection though, it's using the phone as a modem23:02
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jacekowskiArkenoi: but after communism fell government decided to get rid of everything and that's how CEMI was just closed23:02
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RST38hArkenoi: Does not exclude their own production23:02
SpeedEvilRoaziel: What OS are you using, and can you easily plugin a 3G dongle, and have it work?23:03
jacekowskiArkenoi: it's not that hard to copy a chip23:03
SpeedEvilIf you can, then you can simply connect the n900 in the same way if you click 'pc suite' mode when you plug it in23:03
jacekowskiArkenoi: you just need FIB workstation23:03
RoazielI have Windows 7... and I have no idea since Ive never tried23:03
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DocScrutinizerArkenoi: later the ebargo was a lil bit lifted, when Z80 became obsolete. So imported chips were cheaper23:04
Arkenoijacekowski, the most complicated one made by Soviets was i386 clone that did never get to mass production23:04
RST38hjacekowski: how many chips have you copied?23:04
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RST38hI see23:04
jacekowskii just roughly know how it's done23:04
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jacekowskiand if you have equipment and time it's easy23:04
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DocScrutinizerRoaziel: connect N900, select "PC mode" from menu on N900. Set ub GPRS-modem in windows23:06
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DocScrutinizerset up*23:06
* Roaziel Googles23:06
SpeedEviljacekowski: modulo the size of the chip. A large chip is neither cheap nor easy tosetup the masks for23:06
jacekowskiDocScrutinizer: i've made a call and i can get somebody to make a photos with proper electronics inspection x-ray23:06
jacekowskiDocScrutinizer: problem is that he's on far far north23:07
DocScrutinizerRoaziel: just go ahead! google when something is unclear :-D23:07
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DocScrutinizerjacekowski: keep it under 40keV23:08
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RoazielI did :P23:08
DocScrutinizeryou might want to google for energy of xray that erases flash23:08
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jacekowskiwell, there is one electronics place in town23:09
DocScrutinizerjacekowski: for the mic I think it's maybe no electret anymode, since it got digital23:09
jacekowskiand they might have x-ray as well23:10
RoazielMy Googling results in only a pages on how to set up GPRS-modem on MAC computers :S23:10
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DocScrutinizerRoaziel: I'm a total windoze noob, but aiui you'll see some wizard on windows on plugging in N900 in PC suite mode23:11
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jacekowskiDocScrutinizer: electret microphones are out of use for very long time23:11
jacekowskiDocScrutinizer: it's all capacitive now23:11
jacekowskiDocScrutinizer: at least the cheaper ones23:11
Arkenoii guess you need also enable ip forwarding and set up iptables nat on n900 to get internet connection shared23:12
ioanhi. is there a way to connect with n900 to a dialup internet provider?23:12
DocScrutinizerjacekowski: orly? I have a few devices here, about 18 months old, which are equipped with electret23:12
jacekowskiDocScrutinizer: srsly?23:12
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jacekowskiDocScrutinizer: oO23:12
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DocScrutinizersrsly, I "built" them23:12
Macerthis forca app23:12
RoazielDoc, actually it just poped up a notification and installed drivers and stuff and it was done....23:12
jacekowskihmmm, nvm23:12
Maceri don't think their weather is accurate23:12
Roazielwent smoothly23:13
jacekowskii was thinking that electret is resistive23:13
jacekowskielectret is capacitive23:13
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DocScrutinizerRoaziel: so probably you got a new internet connection now23:13
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DocScrutinizerb-man17: huh?23:14
b-man17hm O_O23:14
DocScrutinizerwhat spam?23:14
MohammadAG_DocScrutinizer, well, that's what happens when you trick someone into using /wallchan23:15
b-man17MohammadAG told me to type  /wallchan spam in #xceleo23:15
keriowhat's wallchan?23:15
MohammadAG_sends a message to all channels23:15
kerioall the currently joined channels?23:15
kerioor *all* the channels?23:15
lbtalmost impossible to tell from the name ... <rolleyes>23:15
* xnt14 considers himself lucky that he's running irssi atm :P23:16
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DocScrutinizer~attack MohammadAG_23:16
* infobot grabs a pen, screams like she's possessed, and begins chasing MohammadAG_23:16
xnt14~kill MohammadAG_23:16
* infobot shoots a ionized anti-positrino gun at MohammadAG_23:16
RoazielI highly doubt I have a new internet connection...23:16
MohammadAG_wallchan sends the message to all channels on all servers23:16
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b-man17infobot: wallchan sends the message to all channels on all servers23:17
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b-man17guess you need +o to tell infobot stuff ;P23:17
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DocScrutinizerb-man17: nah, you need secret master wisdom23:18
DocScrutinizerand a 12 dan23:18
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Arkenoibtw is there dhcpd for n900? or even a package with nice gui that makes it listen on usb interface by default?23:18
MohammadAG_you need a , not a :23:18
MohammadAG_infobot, b-man1723:18
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kerioArkenoi: just set up a static IP address23:19
RoazielHold on hold on.... This "Tethering" thing.. does it mean that it would be using the 2G connection on my phone?? Cos I cant do that, thats slow and expensive... I wanna share the wifi connection my phone has already with the wireless router we have...23:19
infobotwallchan sends the message to all channels on all servers23:19
kerioi think that should work23:19
kerioyou need to enable NAT23:19
kerioyou can enable bridging23:20
Arkenoikerio: well, that's simple, but if you use more than one computer and sometimes not yours dhcpd would be better23:20
kerioyou need to install drivers23:20
DocScrutinizerkerio: forget that23:20
kerioand set up a network interface23:20
kerioat that point, i assume you *are* root23:20
ArkenoiRoaziel, you may share any connection23:20
RoazielIf I had a second computer I would use it to bridge the connection. But I dont. I just have my N900...23:20
kerioDocScrutinizer: what?23:20
DocScrutinizerRoaziel: that's really complicated and probably you don't want to do it23:21
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SavagoGood afternoon. I'm trying to install libqjson as a normal user would do (by clicking in the file in file browser). But I'm getting "Unable to install, incompatible application package". I googled to no avail for this issue. Anyone could give some clues?23:21
RoazielI just want my computer to be able to get internet access through my phones wifi connection.23:21
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Roaziel... if its possible23:22
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DocScrutinizerRoaziel: that's really complicated and probably you don't want to do it23:22
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MohammadAG_why does Windows's DHCP fail so much23:22
MohammadAG_why does Windows fail so much23:23
DocScrutinizerwhy does windows23:23
ShadowJKRoaziel, so you have two wifi networks?23:23
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Roazielwhat?.. no. I have one wifi network23:23
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ShadowJKRoaziel, so you have a wifi network, but your computer can't access it?23:23
xnt14MohammadAG_: windows fails at DNS for me... -_-23:23
DocScrutinizerRoaziel: get a 10$ wifi dongle for USB, and smile23:23
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RoazielSomething like that, yes...23:24
RoazielI can use my wifi card23:24
ShadowJKWhy not?23:24
Roaziel... Because :P23:24
MohammadAG_xnt14, windows fails for me23:24
xnt14it can't find the dns server, this is why I hate the network manager...23:24
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MohammadAG_I'm in a good mood to cp * on my windows drive and mkfs.ext4 the whole drive23:24
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xnt14MohammadAG_: Microsoft fails in general23:24
DocScrutinizerwindows has this crap called err - freud knows why I don't23:25
DocScrutinizerzeroconf? nooo23:25
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DocScrutinizeravahi!!! >:-((23:25
technomikeHey guys23:25
MohammadAG_the wifi thin g?23:25
kerionah, zeroconf is osx's23:25
ShadowJKhm, default N900 kernel has no bridge or bridgeutils23:25
technomikeAnyone know how I can connect to my dedi servers' SSH using my N900 x-term23:26
ShadowJKtechnomike, install openssh, open x-terminal, type "ssh user@dediserv"23:26
DocScrutinizertechnomike: ssh technokike@dedi.com23:26
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technomikemany thanks guys23:26
technomikeI was typing that without installing openssh first! :P23:27
kerioRoaziel: if you're ok with using a proxy, ssh -D $port root@
kerioit'll open a SOCKS proxy on localhost:$port23:27
Roazielwhats that?23:27
kerio(from your computer)23:27
DocScrutinizerkerio: you're *evil*23:27
kerioDocScrutinizer: what?23:28
DocScrutinizerkerio: please try to understand level / skills of the person you give advice to23:28
kerioDocScrutinizer: he bought a n90023:28
* Roaziel doesnt do it cos it sounds suspicious o_O23:28
ShadowJKhe'd need to setup usb networking too23:28
DocScrutinizerhmm, yup. So go ahead :-P23:29
kerioif he can't mildly RTFM from a wiki, he should sell it asap23:29
keriofirst get a working link between computer and n90023:29
keriothen we'll think about going outside of that23:29
DocScrutinizernext month23:30
Roazielhmm, ok23:30
jacekowskii'll have speak to people at local uni23:30
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kerioDocScrutinizer: in all seriousness though23:31
keriothe n900 is *definetely* not a phone for lusers23:31
* DocScrutinizer ducks23:31
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kerioRoaziel: ever used linux?23:32
kerioplease tell me you did23:32
Roazielvery little23:32
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Myrttibe nice23:32
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DocScrutinizerkerio: see what I meant23:32
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RoazielN900 is the only phone I know of that has full flash support in its browser and a contact application that spans so well. Thats why I like it... plus the multitasking is neat.23:33
DocScrutinizerkerio: that's not exactly helpful in any way23:33
ShadowJKWell, whether it's for "lusers" or not is kinda irrelevant, as what he wants to do is way beyond the usual use profile :)23:33
strcpyAny comments on how to dial/send sms through  terminal ,on N900 ?23:33
kerioRoaziel: once you have a working network link between computer and n900, you need to find a way to use the n900's connection to the 'net from the computer23:33
lcukisnt there a paid for wifi hotspot app23:34
DocScrutinizerkerio: or simply...23:34
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lcukthat just turn on and connect to from any other wifi device23:34
DocScrutinizerRoaziel: that's really complicated and probably you don't want to do it23:34
* lcuk remembers seeing something23:34
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keriolcuk: he doesn't want to use the data connection23:34
lcukthanks MohammadAG5123:34
keriohe wants to use the wifi connection23:34
kerioand mobilehotspot > joikuspot23:35
DocScrutinizerover USB23:35
jacekowskihmm, some jtag pins are dual mode23:35
lcukkerio, joikuspot will turn n900 into an AP to connect normally i think23:35
* DocScrutinizer sighs23:35
keriolcuk: that's not the point here23:35
MohammadAG51and a heater23:35
lcukwhichever app it bloody is, its a use case people pay to have23:35
kerioit's not that use case!23:35
keriohe wants to use the n900 as a wifi adapter23:35
lcukkerio, actually, what i just read was:23:35
lcuk<Roaziel> I just want my computer to be able to get internet access through my phones wifi connection.23:35
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lcuk<Roaziel> ... if its possible23:35
DocScrutinizerlcuk: using N900 as a wifi dongle is a rather pointless usecase anyway23:36
lcukwhich sounds pretty much like what i just described23:36
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ShadowJKlcuk, he wants to do computer - usb - N900 - wifi - internet. Joikuspot/MobileHotSpot does: computer - wifi - n900 - gsm/3g - internet23:37
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lcukok, hes screwed - sorrt Roaziel take their advice ;) its difficult23:38
technomikeYeah, many people ask for that feature23:38
ShadowJKWhy would you use a $600 phone to do the job of a $10 usb wifi adapter...23:38
DocScrutinizer  [2010-07-14 22:23:58] <DocScrutinizer> Roaziel: get a 10$ wifi dongle for USB, and smile23:38
technomikeHahaha true23:38
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kerioShadowJK: it's a pretty kickass USB dongle23:39
lcukthis is linux:  do not ask WHY someone should do something23:39
keriowith an optional software firewall23:39
lcukthe normal answer is because we can :P23:39
kerioit's definetely possible23:39
lcukthis time, it will take a ninja!23:39
kerioquite easily, if you accept a bit of compromise23:39
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ShadowJKYes it's possible, but you need a kernel with bridging support, and you need bridge utils, and you need usb networking :P23:40
keriodoesn't iptables do that?23:40
Roazielsomeone should definitely do it :P23:40
DocScrutinizerkerio: build a package, direct Roaziel to the URL to download :-P23:40
ShadowJKkerio, well iptables will do if you insert NAT into the picture somewhere :)23:40
kerioRoaziel: after long considerations, we came to the conclusion that you should buy a 10€ usb/wifi dongle23:41
DocScrutinizerkerio: don't preach latin here, please23:41
RoazielMeh... ok. Thanks :P23:41
technomikeIf you had to choose one app, what app is your favourite on N900 / Maemo23:42
kerioRoaziel: my advice would be to RTFM though23:42
lcuktechnomike, gcc23:42
keriolearn how to do it23:42
keriolearn how to make it easy23:42
keriomake a software to automate it23:42
keriodistribute it23:42
kerioget rich and famous23:42
jacekowskilcuk: do you really run compiler on the phone?23:42
kerioor possibly just famous23:42
kerioor maybe not even that23:42
lcukjacekowski, have done since n810 days, why?23:42
DocScrutinizerkerio: you'll get famous by those (last) words on IRC :-P23:43
jacekowskiwell, i upgraded my old server to 4 core xeon beast23:43
jacekowskibecause compilation took too long23:43
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lcukjacekowski, so, running make on most of my projects takes ~3-20seconds23:44
lcukwell within frustration time23:44
DocScrutinizerjacekowski: you'll probably not want to build OOo on N90023:44
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MohammadAG_ubuntu is so going downhill23:44
kerioDocScrutinizer: some would say that you don't want to build OOo anywhere23:44
MohammadAG_lucid's like the vista of ubuntu23:44
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jacekowskiwell, it takes less than 20 minutes to build chromium on my server ( faster than builder )23:44
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG_: ooh, didn't know it could get any lower23:44
lcukjacekowski, yeah it would, probably take about a week on n90023:45
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jacekowskido you have sources?23:45
jacekowskii mean compilable sources23:45
lcukjacekowski, i dont want them23:45
jacekowskiand i think it would have a problem23:45
MohammadAG_DocScrutinizer, I can only use vesa to start X on lucid on my lappy23:45
jacekowskioo.o requires a lot of memory23:45
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG_: is it normal when my invitation already has my garage pubkey?23:45
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lcukjacekowski, we have ~600mhz processor, probably more computing power than what took man to the moon23:46
DocScrutinizerprobably? PROBABLY??23:47
DocScrutinizeryou know about their 'computers'?23:47
keriothey used c64s23:47
kerioor something like that23:47
DocScrutinizerit had the power of a programmable pocket calculator (maybe TI) of ~198023:48
MohammadAG_DocScrutinizer, hmm, problem seems similar to this
MohammadAG_DocScrutinizer, oh and the invitation is tied to the garage account23:49
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asj_DocScrutinizer: TI!?!?!?!? that's not a calculator ;)23:49
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DocScrutinizeryep, but I wonder why they ask for my pubkey which is already there23:49
asj_HP now they made calculators23:49
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DocScrutinizerasj_: ACK!23:49
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* DocScrutinizer drools over his HP42 app on N900 and Freerunner23:50
MohammadAG_DocScrutinizer, default template stuff? you need the pubkey for dput23:50
DocScrutinizerthough HP's keys were much much better23:50
jacekowskihmm, phoenix require drivers to install23:50
jacekowskithat's evil23:51
DocScrutinizerhmm, let's see23:51
DocScrutinizerjacekowski: evil hAxx0r23:51
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DocScrutinizerIf only I could get my ass up to do some simple lines of shellscript. But it's tooooo hot23:52
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kerioDocScrutinizer: your ass does shell scripting?23:52
keriowhat a smart ass!23:53
DocScrutinizeryeah, even at night when I'm asleep23:53
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DocScrutinizernow that few lines are really so simple evem my smart ass can do23:53
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DocScrutinizerseeya, need a cofe and 5L icewater23:55
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MohammadAGyay, my graphics chipset finally works in lucid :D23:57
MohammadAGnow I can offload X off of my CPU (was using vesa)23:57
DocScrutinizerubuntu MohammadAG23:58
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DocScrutinizer~ubuntu MohammadAG23:59
* infobot lovingly explains to MohammadAG in a way that causes MohammadAG to weep with gratitude that MohammadAG must read the fine, friendly manual23:59
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MohammadAG~debian DocScrutinizer23:59
* infobot tells DocScrutinizer to RTFM!!!! GAH!!! HELL FIRE AND BRIMSTONE!!!! BURN!!! DIE!!! MWAHAHAHAHA!!!!23:59
DocScrutinizeror just23:59
infoboti heard ubuntu is caca from this ass
jacekowskiehhh, that dongle in phoenix is sooo lame23:59

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