IRC log of #maemo for Tuesday, 2010-07-13

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DocScrutinizerkerio: ssshhhhh. Maybe he's selling it for low price00:00
redill mail it free if someone wants to have a go fixing it after I ask my friends first :P00:00
kerioi'll take it!00:00
redinside the screen can still see moist and it smells foul, a bit like the pool00:01
redit was 2nd day of a weekss trip when it fell00:01
redso im quite sure its wasted for good :D00:01
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kaiemy n900 is not fetching dns for wifi, at least it's not updating /etc/resolv.conf00:01
redbut atleast someone might use the case later on or something00:01
asj__kaie: it doesn't00:01
kaieasj__, where's dns information recorded? "host" doesn't work in terminal00:02
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asj__kaie: look in the file, it's You can set custom dns servers in network setup.00:02
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kaieasj__, I modified resolv.conf a week ago for a hack ad-hoc network. I emptied the resolv.conf now. For my current location, I don't want to specify the dns manually, but have configured wifi to fetch it automatically, but still, resolv.conf doesn't get updated. so I want to know, how to make that work again00:04
kaieyou say I should configure manually to ?00:05
asj__kaie: oh, I didn't realize you screwed it up, set the nameserver to
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b-manMohammadAG51: ping00:07
kaiethanks a lot, it's working again, after I added "namserver".00:07
kaienameserver even00:07
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jaem'Afternoon.  Anybody around with knowledge of BlueZ?00:08
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luke-jrcurious, my N900 is off00:28
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luke-jrnow it says Battery Low00:31
luke-jrit's been on the charger the whole time00:31
jacekowskii had that00:31
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jacekowskiit sometimes doesn't charge00:31
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jacekowskibut i think charging itself should be handled in kernel00:32
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luke-jrthere finally got it to say Charging00:33
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jacekowskiX-Fade: are you there?00:36
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flailingmonkeyDocScrutinizer: how are your projects progressing?01:03
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DrGrovBeautiful day everyone01:24
DrGrovFinally more of D-Iivil's themes have hit the extras repositories! :)01:24
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DrGrovWhat is otherwise new here today?01:25
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jaemDrGrov, I have a headache starting.01:26
jaemAside from that...?01:26
jaemI haven't looked at those themes yet.  Maybe I should...01:26
DrGrovjaem: oh, that's not too nice. got something to take for it?01:26
DrGrovjaem: they are absolutely beautiful.01:27
DrGrovunfortunately not every theme has a screenshot. i wonder why?01:27
jaemNot here.  Ah well, it's not bad anyway.  Looking over the new Qt Mobility stuff in GIT master is making me feel better.01:27
DrGrovGood, have you drank enough water if it is hot there?01:28
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DrGrovI think I will go with D-THEME UnderConstruction01:28
jaemThat might be part of it.01:28
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DrGrovYou have any idea why not all the themes don't have a screenshot?01:29
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jaemLet me take a look... Do you mean the thumbnail in HAM, or on the website?01:30
DrGrovIn the website,
smackpotatoso my mission to overclock my n810 is comming along fine , altough i had to drop some cabage to see if i was on the right track. for a sinopsys of how im doing look at this page under dochez
Arkenoi it sucks!01:32
DrGrovjaem: PM here in the channel when you know :) No hurries, I go back to Splinter Cell: Conviction on the Xbox 360 until I get some missions done01:33
brolin_empeyWhy do the fremantle repositories have such an ancient (v2.05b when v4.x is current) version of bash? (fail)01:34
SpeedEvilbrolin_empey: So build 401:34
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SpeedEviltypically later versions bloat lots01:35
SpeedEvilso that can be a reason01:35
smackpotatohi SpeedEvil01:35
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b-mangnome has expanded 2x in the past year and a half it seams01:35
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SpeedEvilFor desktops this is less of an issue01:36
SpeedEvilBut for trying to run stuff on labels.01:36
Paulyhey hello i need help01:36
SpeedEvilon mobiles01:36
Paulyn900 died trying to get it into r & D mode but i only have ubuntu 64 bitand win 7 64 bit01:37
b-mangnome still runs fine on my N900 :)01:37
jaemPauly, you can run the flasher on 64-bit Ubuntu... it just takes some twiddling01:37
Paulyoh ok01:37
jaemPauly, First of all, make sure you have the package ia32-libs installed01:37
Paulycause i just need to charge it01:37
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jaemI think that's what it's called - I don't have an *buntu box in front of me (literally or figuratively)01:37
Paulyomg thanks. im check synaptic01:38
jaemPauly, I know I went through some hassle last time I need that - Ubuntu isn't well set up for installing 32-bit stuff on 64-bit - at least, not as well some distros.01:38
Paulymy phone died and i read on bugzilla if u can put it on r & D mode it'll charge01:39
jaemWhat happened originally?01:39
SpeedEvilPauly: it should charge anyway. Plug into charger overnight01:39
Paulyfeel asleep and phone drianed bateery01:39
jaemPauly, ping me once you have the package installed01:39
kerioN900 - you better not fall asleep01:40
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Paulyu sure cause it just glows orangeish yellow01:40
kerioPauly: that's the failsafe charge01:40
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kerioit'll charge for half an hour01:40
kerioit should be enough to boot it at that point01:40
kerioif it isn't, charge it again, when it stops charging remove the charger and plug it again01:40
Paulyits not i'll try agian01:40
Paulyya thats what im doing01:41
* PerfDave ponders running a 32-bit GNU/Linux VM to run the flasher01:41
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kerioPerfDave: dual boot!01:41
Paulybut i read r & D mode the keyboard light flickers, which is so cool01:41
kerioPauly: also uses more battery01:42
PerfDavekerio: Why dual boot when you can use a VM?01:42
Paulykerio, jaem, i found that i have the package installed ia32-libs01:43
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DocScrutinizerPauly: R&D for charging is BS01:44
jaemPauly, okay... well, download the flasher DEB and stash it somewhere.01:44
DocScrutinizerPauly: DO NOT try to flash with low battery01:44
Paulyi tihnk i might download the flasher, ut it into r & d mode anyways cause i think im gonna reflash it to save battery life so i need the flasher anyways01:44
DocScrutinizerPauly: by all and any means charge your battery before flashing01:45
SpeedEvilrefkash it to save battery life?01:45
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Paulyno im not going to flash just put it into r & D mode and let it sit.01:45
* DocScrutinizer shrugs01:45
DocScrutinizerabsolute nonsense01:45
kerioSpeedEvil: well, you can flash a bigger battery01:46
DocScrutinizerR&D mode just helps if you got bootloop which also will hinder charging01:46
SpeedEvilflash a bigger battery - what?01:46
Paulyi read on bugzilla that if u put it into r & D it'll charge off usb?01:46
kerioSpeedEvil: just reflash an image with a bigger battery!01:47
kerioit works, right?01:47
kerioi'm looking for a build with a c-ts01:47
DocScrutinizerPauly: it always charges from USB, there's no other way to charge01:47
kerioand less weight01:47
SpeedEvilYou can actually get ~3% more life from lying to BME, or replacing it.01:47
DocScrutinizerkerio: stop that nonsense01:48
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brolin_empeySpeedEvil: I actually already have bash v4.x in Easy Debian.  bash v2.05b has been sufficient for me so far, even though I have used bash v3.x features in scripts I have written for Debian/Ubuntu on desktops, but I do not need to run those scripts on my N900.  I was just wondering why the fremantle repositories still have such an ancient version of bash.01:48
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kerioi wonder... could we save weight by having some helium balloons inside the n900?01:48
jaemkerio, it doesn't work that way >_<01:49
Pauly2. Use the flasher to put it into RD Mode 3. This allowed it to boot it up   4. Let it sit charging connected to my computer. (Very Important!!! Appears this was what was needed to get it to charge!)01:49
kerioi figured :P01:49
SpeedEvilbrolin_empey: what are the binary sizes?01:49
kerioPauly: keyword being "appeared"01:49
DocScrutinizerPauly: use the Nokia wallcharger, and charge your battery. There's no reason to set R&D mode unless you got a bootloop01:49
kerioit's false01:49
Paulyoh okay01:49
Paulythanks for helping me guys01:50
DocScrutinizerPauly: that's random noise01:50
jaemI don't know how the N900's audio subsystem works, but how hard would it be to patch various things together - say, to pipe espeak's output into a phone call or some such?01:50
Paulyi thought my phone wasnt charging01:50
jaemFor that matter, what should I read up on if I want to understand what it's doing in general?01:50
DocScrutinizerPauly: if yellow light then charging in progress01:50
kerioyou know, charging issues tend to come up a lot here on #maemo01:50
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Paulylol, well i'll just plug it in the wall charger, and once light goes off unplug and plug back in.01:51
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Paulybtw its not oem charger, just random micro usb wall charger. Thanks so much guys.01:52
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DocScrutinizerPauly: random usb charger won't probably work01:53
GAN900jaem, it's Telepathy and PulseAudio for the most part.01:53
DocScrutinizerPauly: use the original Nokia charger01:54
Paulyseems to charge it, when it's on.01:54
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Paulyi bought it used, no nokia charger01:54
kerioPauly: guess what the keyword here is01:54
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Paulykerio: so lost????01:54
keriothe keyword here is "seems"01:55
jaemGAN900, Alrighty, I'll take a look.01:55
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Paulykerio: ya, my stuff is always ghetto for some reason.01:55
jaemIs there any way to get HAM to always show the package name itself, rather than the more "friendly" format it tends to use?01:57
Paulyif iight is on it's charging so i'll just leave it in and see what happens. oh btw i bought a battery charger off ebay so i won't have this problem no more.01:57
jaemSince it lacks queueing, I tend to do a lot of "look in HAM/use apt-get".01:58
jaemI know I can use apt-cache, but I like HAM for browsing and at-a-glance info.01:58
keriojaem: use fapman01:59
kerio*way* faster01:59
kerioand supports queuing01:59
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jaemkerio, yeah, the disclaimer had me rather excited to try it. ;)02:00
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jaemThe sad part is I'm not actually kidding...02:00
DocScrutinizerPauly: when steady yellow you'll either get 500mA charging from a proper charger, or 100mA charging from arbitrary charger. Both limited to 32 minutes. With 100mA you'll need several replug&32min harge cycles, to push battery up to the point where you can boot again02:00
kerioDocScrutinizer: hmm... could you use a computer, forcing it to give the 500mA?02:00
DocScrutinizerkerio: nope02:01
PaulyDocScrutinizer: thanks, perfect info i needed02:01
Paulyso at least i know it is charging02:01
DocScrutinizerfor emergency charging there's no diff tween computer and a wrong charger that doesn't have D+/- short02:01
PaulyDocScrutinizer: lol ya, should i buy the oem nokia charger02:02
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DocScrutinizerPauly: either that, or make sure it has a short of the two datalines02:02
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PaulyDocScrutinizer: since i have no idea what the second option means, ill go with the first.02:03
DocScrutinizerPauly: N900 senses fastcharger via a short of the both middle contacts of USB02:03
Paulyoh ok02:04
DocScrutinizerPauly: not many chargers have that feature02:04
pinheirojaem: heya02:04
jaemDocScrutinizer, Is it actually a dead short?  I thought the spec said to add a low-valued resistor of some sort.02:04
kerioDocScrutinizer: can you use a generic nokia charger with the provided adaptor?02:04
DocScrutinizerit's a short02:04
jaempinheiro, OT for here, but congrats to you & team on the new shininess. :D02:04
DocScrutinizerkerio: I'd guess yes02:04
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keriofor fastcharge/500mA failsafe charge02:04
keriothat's probably a cheaper option02:05
kerioripoff nokia chargers are dime a dozen02:05
pinheirojaem:  thanks :D02:05
kerioPauly: do you have the charger adaptor?02:05
Paulyall i got  was phone and "compatible charger"02:06
Paulybut i didnt really use it cause it seemd cheap.02:06
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* pinheiro finds funy that jaem can be refering to multiple things "the advantages of working in tons of difrent projects" :D02:06
keriowhat a gyp02:06
Paulykerio: should i use that one.02:06
jaemDocScrutinizer, Hmm... I have an IOGear-brand Li-Ion external battery pack that won't charge my N900.  I took a look inside it at some point, and D+/- weren't shorted - in fact, they had a few things connected to them, including a cap to ground, as I recall.  It was hard to trace by eye, because the board was hand-soldered SMT - and not skillfully >_<02:06
jaempinheiro, Well, it's all good. :)02:07
jaemDocScrutinizer, I think the battery pack may be in Fiji right now, but when I get it back, I might poke you about it.  I'd really like to be able to use it if possible, but I fear that trying to "fix" it would be impractical.02:08
brolin_empeySpeedEvil: bash v2.05b is 612764 bytes, bash v4.1.0 in Easy Debian chroot image is 789896 bytes.02:08
DocScrutinizerjaem: as long as it supplies 5V...02:08
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jacekowskijaem: it's short with a pullup to ground or V+ but i'm not sure02:09
DocScrutinizerjacekowski: nope it's not02:09
DocScrutinizerjacekowski: in fact any pullup or pulldown may break the charger detection in 170702:10
jacekowskilet me just find the docs02:10
DocScrutinizerdocs==1704 ds02:11
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jaemDocScrutinizer, It /should/ work fine in terms of the listed specs, but it doesn't seem to.02:11
jaemI only had the Nokia-supplied microUSB cable to use with it - I don't suppose that would make any difference?02:11
jaemJust checking...  It charges my N810 fine, as well as the odd other thing I've thrown at it.02:12
DocScrutinizerthough I heard a report of a DOA nokia cable CA-10102:12
jaemThe cable should be good - I had three at the time in any case, and used them interchangeably02:12
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jacekowskifscking protected PDF02:13
jaemjacekowski, meh - use Okular - it has a checkbox for that.02:13
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jaem"Obey DRM Restrictions"02:13
* jaem unchecks02:13
prontojaem: HOW DARE YOU >:O02:14
jacekowskiit's qt4 based02:14
jacekowskii don't use qt402:14
jacekowskibecause of what happened to amarok02:14
jacekowskiand kde402:14
jaempronto, I live in Canada!  Circumventing DRM isn't a capital offense02:14
jacekowskiwhen both of theme were ported to qt402:14
jacekowskiso i just refuse to use qt4 based software02:14
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jacekowskiAs shown above .... a dedicated chargin port is required to short the D+ and D- lines with a resistance of rdchg_dat02:15
jacekowskiso there has to be a resistor02:16
DocScrutinizerjacekowski: you're boring me02:16
Paulyim sleepy02:16
Paulyive been sitting waiting for my phone to charge..........02:16
jacekowskihmm, RDCHG_DAT02:16
jacekowskifrom 0 to 200 ohms02:16
DocScrutinizersee why you are boring?02:17
jacekowskiwell, it looks like it's there to just take wire resistance into account02:17
jaemjacekowski, Okay, that's what I was remembering.02:17
jaemDocScrutinizer, did you see something to the contrary, then?02:17
rasterDocScrutinizer: docz!02:18
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DocScrutinizerjaem: RDCHRG_DAT=0..200R  -  a short is also a resistor02:18
DocScrutinizerraster: hi!02:18
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jaemDocScrutinizer, touche (invisible accent is invisible)02:19
Paulyso many people in this channel.02:19
Paulyits scary woaahh.02:19
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Paulyi heart iOS 402:20
* DocScrutinizer afk02:21
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Paulyi make jokes02:21
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Paulygonna eat something? lol i'll be back in 32 min.02:21
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jaemPauly, we'll be timing you.02:24
jaemWoe to you if you're late.02:24
mneptokPauly: keep the dinner plate away from the lower left edge of your keyboard, or you'll ping out.02:25
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Shapeshifterpronto: !02:28
Shapeshifterpronto: fellow archer02:28
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Shapeshifterno, pronto, sit.02:29
asjhey with pr1.2 in conversations I can "Join chat room" I wonder if irc would work better now02:30
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jaemasj, Quite possibly.02:30
jaemI didn't even bother trying before... it kind of helps.02:31
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rasterSpeedEvil: speedie02:34
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rasterDocScrutinizer: how goes?>02:35
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FIQwhy does the screen light act funny @ #4?02:37
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Shapeshifterwell mappero is kinda crashy02:39
Shapeshifterreproducably crashy.02:39
tuliobaarsany idea how to compile a script?02:40
tuliobaarsfor MaemoTurbo?02:40
SpeedEvilWhat sort of script?02:40
tuliobaarsa .sh02:40
tuliobaarsi wanna debug a .deb02:40
tuliobaarsgot it?02:41
SpeedEvilyou don't compile sh's - you just run them02:41
SpeedEvilDunno what maemoturbo is02:41
tuliobaarsa minute, pls02:41
Shapeshifterit's the vtec kicking in.02:41
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tuliobaarsMaemoTurbo is ascript to optimize the kernel by itself, with some another modules, including a booster for swap files02:46
tuliobaarsgot it?02:47
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tuliobaarsstarting with DiabloTurbo, a version for Diablo, availble on 2 languages02:48
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tuliobaarsand after a FreMantle02:49
tuliobaarsand i just don't know how to make it as a .deb file02:49
tuliobaarsto distribute02:49
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asjN900Awesome it works like a charm02:56
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tuliobaarssorry asjN900, but i didn't get your point03:03
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tuliobaarsso quiet! We need more action! What time do you have more time to talk?? Maybe in the mid of afternoon?03:08
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ptltuliobaars: ?03:10
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ptltuliobaars: many people here are from Europe, and it's late at night there already03:11
ptlthat's why this channel is usually quiet at this time03:12
ptlDon't apologize, I am from Brazil. :P So, you got difficulties building a package?03:12
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ptlWhat are you using?03:12
tuliobaarsMy N810, why?03:13
tuliobaarsoh, sorry03:13
tuliobaarsi'm form Florianopolis!03:13
ptlto develop your program03:13
ptlQt Creator? Scratchbox? Something else?03:13
tuliobaarsI'm Brazillian too03:14
ptlwell, scratchbox is a complete Linux environment with all the packaging command-line tools you need... There are some guides on packaging03:14
tuliobaarsyeah, but i guess i would have to rebuild my script instead of debbuging, or not?03:15
ptlNot quite sure what you mean by that03:16
ptlYou would just aggregate all stuff needed to run it on an installable file03:16
tuliobaarsoh, just get your point03:17
tuliobaarswhich one you prefer: Scratch box or Qt?03:18
ptlWell, scratchbox is easier to use because it's a GNU/Linux environment and I am a long time user of GNU/Linux. But Qt Creator has lots of features and it's the future for Maemo/Meego, so I must get acquainted to it.03:19
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ptlI do not have a fixed opinion on that, though03:20
ptlI'm trying to do stuff in Qt Creator, if it proves too difficult I'll resort to scratchbox03:20
ptlor even command-line MADDE03:20
tuliobaars But you develop for FreMantle?03:21
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tuliobaarscause my Scratchbox is a trash03:23
tuliobaarsi can't do any bullshit03:23
tuliobaarsBuggy as a wood03:23
paulymy phone died and has been charging for an hour03:24
paulybut stil wont turn on03:24
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paulytried holding u and connecting to pc via usb03:24
paulyand still it dont do nothing?03:24
microlithpull the battery03:24
tuliobaarsReflash it03:25
microlithhe's trying to do that03:25
tuliobaarsHard Reset it03:25
microlithleast that's what it looks like :)03:25
paulyim notr trying to reflash it, just want it on03:25
asjpauly: when you say died, what do you mean?03:26
paulyi drained the battery last night, and now it wont turn on03:26
asjfell in the ocean with it and it died?03:26
asjoh ok03:26
asjpauly: is the orange led lit?03:26
tuliobaarsno, he jumped off a building using it03:26
paulylol ya i wanted to test the n900fly app03:27
asjpauly: blinking or steady?03:27
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ptltuliobaars: actually I am trying :P03:27
tuliobaarsTry to remove the battery and wait 15min. sharp03:27
asjpauly: I think someone mentioned, maybe SpeedEvil, or someone, that's the emergency trickle charge, only charges slowly at 100mA till it can boot03:28
tuliobaarsafter pull the battery, and dunnot turn on03:28
tuliobaarswait 5min to turn it on03:28
ptlpauly: you might want to use it in an external recharger, or recharge it in a cellphone that uses the same battery03:28
paulyasj: ya but its been a while?03:28
tuliobaarsso its going to work03:28
asjpauly: it'll take a while, though I thought an hour should be enough03:29
paulyi bought extrenal charger off ebay but that will take some time.03:29
tuliobaarsno no, try to make a kinda reset on sys bios03:29
tuliobaarslike what i said03:29
asjtuliobaars: you say lots of contradictory things03:29
paulyi had this problem be403:29
asjpauly: how did you fix it?03:30
paulybut i sold the other phone :(03:30
tuliobaarswhy, mister know everything?03:30
paulycharged battery with other phone03:30
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paulybut now its gone03:30
tuliobaarsits just how i resolve this03:30
paulyso leave it without battery03:30
asjpauly: why don't you have a normal wallwart?03:31
paulyfor 15 min till i gues bios resets?03:31
smackpotatobatterys cost like 3 bucks03:31
tuliobaarssimple as life: remove the battery, wait 15 min, put the battery again and its done03:31
tuliobaarsyeah, like desktops03:31
tuliobaarssame way03:31
asjpauly: can't hurt anyways03:31
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paulyasj: thanks03:31
paulybut i do want another battery03:32
asj(and no it's not like desktops)03:32
paulyso wallmart would have this, i went to best buy and like 3 t-mobile stores03:32
tuliobaarsOK. Just my device is like. All others no.03:32
asjpauly: I'm not a fan of the $3 batteries03:32
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paulyi didn't know this existed03:32
tuliobaarstry to do this03:33
pauly$3 battery03:33
smackpotatoi bought one on e bay it works but there is a  certain brand you have to get03:33
tuliobaarsis simple and easy03:33
smackpotatoalso battery chargers03:33
asjpauly: between the potential for fire, and the fact that I keep my phone in my pocket beside my nuts and ride a motorcycle and can't expell the flaming device quickly enough and the trashed n900 why not spend a bit more and get a real one :)03:33
microlithuprotected chinese batteries are very cheap ;)03:34
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paulywell battery has been out of phone since u told me to do so03:34
paulybut if wallmart has a bateery for 3 bucks i feel i should go and try it out.03:35
ptlaccording to threads, tuliobaars's strategy might work:
microlithI'd be surprised if Walmart carried a battery that worked with the N90003:35
smackpotatothe protection is built into the phone , unlike the ones i used in a flashlight03:35
ptl"Try to take out the battery for a while, then press and hold the power button for 30 seconds or so.. Wait a bit then plug the battery back in.. Then hook the charger back into the N900 and see what happens.. Hope this works out for you! "03:35
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microlithsmackpotato: there are circuits in most decent Li-ION batteries03:35
tuliobaarsso, are you going to try this way? I just wanna help... this works in most cases03:35
tuliobaarsHAHAHA. WHAT I HAVE SAID, ASJ?03:36
asjpauly: you've confused wallwart with wallmart. When charging the n900/battery normally a dedicated charger wallwart works quickest. One should have come with the n90003:36
microlithchill dude03:37
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paulyim waiting03:37
asjtuliobaars: dooode, you tunneling pupnik?03:37
paulybeen waiting.....03:37
paulyim chill i think lol sry for being a retard03:37
smackpotatomicrolith now. i didn't realize that i bought som li-ion for a flashlight they just discharged below the minimum charge never to be charged a gain03:38
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paulyso, um hows the weather, it rained here today.03:39
asjpauly: you're not being annoying :)03:39
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paulyasj: thanks03:39
tuliobaarswhat asj?03:39
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paulyasj is that's persons irc nickname lol03:39
asjpauly: hmm?03:40
pauly"<tuliobaars> what asj?"03:40
tuliobaarsso confusing03:40
tuliobaarsyeah, what he said!03:40
luke-jrasj: mine came w/ a Europe wallwart :(03:40
asjluke-jr: you also got yours for free :)03:41
luke-jrtrue :)03:41
asjluke-jr: plus ratshack sells the little converters for like $303:41
luke-jrany idea how many people actually use Gentoo on N900?03:41
paulymine came with a "compatible" charger, bought it off ebay for $365 used03:41
asjpauly: I wonder if that isn't helping, if you look at it what's the output current rated at?03:42
tuliobaarsso asj, i thiink the answers were almost the same03:43
paulyi think03:43
luke-jror any idea where to find the N900 kernel .config?03:43
paulyhold on brb going to downstairs laptop03:43
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microlithluke-jr: it should come in the kernel tarball, if you pull it down via the SDK03:44
luke-jrmicrolith: where?03:44
luke-jrI tried rx51_defconfig, but that has netfilter enabled (whereas the running one doesn't...)03:44
microlithnot sure where, I just did an apt-get in scratchbox03:44
luke-jrI mean where in the source ;P03:45
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Paulyhello, all03:48
Paulyim back sry i took so long running on puppy linux without hdd03:49
Paulyim ghetto03:49
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Paulyasj: hi.03:50
asjPauly: ?03:50
Paulyi left and now im back lol thought yous would miss  me03:51
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luke-jrwe have 489 other idiots here03:51
Paulyim going to put the battery back in now03:51
Paulyya, but im an awesome idiot03:51
asjglad someone thinks so03:52
Paulywell that did'nt work03:53
Paulyi know i suck at typing03:53
Paulyi have an HTC wall charger that uses usb03:54
asjPauly: what happens when you press the power button?03:54
Paulynothing at all.03:54
asjno vibrate nothing?03:54
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Paulynot even the dim screen boot03:54
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asjwithout a voltmeter, the only think I can say is let it sit a few hours maybe it'll charge, try a nokia charger or maybe you got a dud battery. I've had many of them die and never had a problem03:56
Paulythis only happend once i drained the battery, charging the battery for few minutes in a nokia 5230 nuron and then switching battery back works.03:56
Paulybut i sold my phone.03:56
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asjoh, and use a nokia battery, maybe it's not trickle charging some odd chinese knock off?03:58
Paulyasj: it is nokia battery03:58
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asjthen what I first said03:59
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Paulyjust not nokia charger but i do have an 5v 1a output htc charger so im gonna use that with nokia data cable04:00
Paulyasj: hey should i buy and extra bl-5j battery (i already have one but i do have a desktop battery charger coming in the mail) or a nokia wall charger?04:02
ptlNokia data cable is 500mA only, isn't it?04:02
asjPauly: <shrug> never had this problem, don't know04:02
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ptlI bought a wall charger for emergencies04:03
ptlit's really cheap04:03
ptlbut I never had to use it.04:03
ptlI mean, external wall charger04:03
Paulypti: like one you put a battery in.04:03
Paulyya i bought one off ebay.04:03
Paulybut i hate cause ihave to wait couple days04:04
ptlI would freak out if my phone died, lol04:04
Paulyptl: so have u ever used your battery til the phone died out04:04
ptlI'm so dependent on it already04:04
ptlI depleted it once but it recharged normally04:05
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Paulyptl: really, so maybe i should buy a nokia charger?04:05
ptlI dunno, I do not know if there's a real difference.04:06
asjPauly: it's simply a guess, who knows04:07
Paulywell i know im not the only one cause other people have posted pthe same prob04:09
Paulywell ill let it charge til my extrnal battery charger comes in mail.04:09
asjnot very helpful04:09
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flailingmonkeyPauly: the trickle charge will take a LONG time to get it back to working levels04:12
flailingmonkeyone 32 minute session is not enough04:12
flailingmonkeyI highly suggest a charger with the data pins shorted, as DocScrutinizer mentioned04:13
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flailingmonkeysuch as the original Nokia wall charger04:15
SpeedEvilDo you not have the stock nokia charger?04:15
Paulybought the phone used04:15
flailingmonkeywhich is why I suggest buying one :)04:16
Paulyi shall04:16
asjPauly: 2 of us have now suggested it :)04:16
Paulybut i have extrnal wall charger coming in mail, plus i think i'll have to buy the nokia charger online since there is like no nokia store in maryland04:17
flailingmonkeyPauly: anyway, you will have to do the emergency charge orange light thing multiple times04:17
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flailingmonkeyPauly: actually they closed all the Nokia stores in the US :(04:17
asjI'm sure some stores sell accessories04:18
asj(though not many phones use micro-usb only)04:18
Paulyya i had a 5230 nuron04:18
Paulyused the pin charger04:18
Paulybut microusb was only for data on that phone, would'nt charge off usb04:19
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flailingmonkeyPauly: as long as the phone charged the battery, didn't matter where it came from04:20
Paulyya i know04:21
* PerfDave is looking for a way to charge his N900 off a bike dynamo04:21
ptlwhy did they close all nokia stores?04:21
flailingmonkeyso, you can get your phone working, by doing a bunch more emergency charges04:21
Paulyhey flailingmonkey, asj thanks for letting me know about the 32 min charge thing04:21
Paulyim using the 1a output usb charger from htc, i think thats my best option for now.04:22
flailingmonkeyno problem04:22
Paulyi've been wanting n900 since last year now i finally got it. i love it so much....04:23
SpeedEvilIf you have a spare USB A-A male-female it's easy to do04:23
SpeedEvilslice open the cable04:23
SpeedEviljoin the white and grey wires.04:23
Paulyim using the nokia data cable04:23
flailingmonkeyi hope the pins are shorted, because then it won't take long! unfortunately if the data pins aren't shorted, the N900 will only draw 100mA of that 1A (safety design thing)04:23
SpeedEvilplug charger without D+ and D- shorted to the 'host' end - and the n900 stock USB cable to the + end04:24
SpeedEvilto the other end04:24
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Paulyya im not that smart lol already confused04:24
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flailingmonkeyhe's explaining how to make a cable that will charge fast04:25
Paulyis there a way to see if the pins are shorted cause i have like allot diffrent micro usb chargers04:25
flailingmonkeymost won't. and its not something you'll be able to check visually04:25
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Paulyspeedevil: cant do that cause i have no idea which parts are which?04:26
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flailingmonkeywith a multimeter04:30
ham5break out the fluke04:31
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flailingmonkeygnight all04:33
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PaulySpeedEvil: Hey, i have a spare usb male a to male b cable?04:36
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ham5was that a question.04:41
ham5where do I get info on what a particular process is runing on maemo04:43
ham5I see 'get' sometimes in top wtf is it04:43
ham5rtcom stuff04:44
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luke-jr FWIW04:50
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b-manluke-jr: awesome :)04:51
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pigeonis it possible to adjust the rate of the vibration on the n900?04:59
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SpeedEvilyes, but I don't know of a nice way to efit the patterns05:03
SpeedEvil /etc/mce/mce.ini has vibrator settings05:04
radicjuclear attck succeeded, take shelder05:04
SpeedEvilLook after VibraPatternRX5105:05
pigeonSpeedEvil: oh, thanks. i personally find with silent mode, with the n900 on the table, the vibration is quite strong and loud still, so just wondering.05:06
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luke-jrwhat idiot thought of using YYYYDDMM for kernel package versions in Maemo5?05:19
luke-jrI can't help but notice 20100903 is considered older than 20101501 ...05:19
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xim_is there a way to change the maemo system sounds?05:21
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rafaelbrandaoI'm trying to get my fingerprint reader to work with my n810 but the lib says it can't claim the interface even when I'm with sudo (which would a be a workaround on ubuntu for example). I've typed "dmesg" and got this:05:30
rafaelbrandao[110527.554687] usb 1-1: device v05ba p000a is not supported05:30
rafaelbrandao[110527.554687] usb 1-1: rejected 1 configuration due to insufficient available bus power05:31
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SpeedEvilThe n810 has - from memory - not much available power for devices.05:32
SpeedEvilThe fingerprint reader claims it wants more than is available.05:33
SpeedEvilThe kernel does not enable it.05:33
ds3add powered hub05:33
rafaelbrandaoHow can I add powered hub?05:33
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ds3unplug cable, replug cable into the appropriate orifaces05:34
rafaelbrandaolol, got it. :P05:34
luke-jrI think my problem is an ABI mismatch -.-05:34
luke-jrwhat GCC was used for Maemo5?05:34
rafaelbrandaothanks SpeedEvil and ds305:34
ds3IIRC, they should all be EABI05:34
luke-jrds3: which EABI? :P05:36
ds3how many are there :P05:36
luke-jrbut GCC's ARM ABI changed significantly from 4.3 to 4.405:37
ds3that ABI05:37
ds3I am referring to the userland-kernel ABI05:37
luke-jrme too, I think05:38
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luke-jrdoesn't a change in the C ABI affect everything?05:38
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ds3not AFAIK05:39
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luke-jrin any case, Gentoo iptables binary can't see the 'filter' table...05:39
ds3I have used gcc 4.2 binaries on newer systems05:39
ds3that is a kernel thing, IIRC05:39
luke-jriptables userland binary I mean :)05:39
luke-jrI also want to build some kernel modules...05:39
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ds3is it listed in /proc/net/ip_tables_names?05:40
luke-jrno such path05:40
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luke-jrbut /proc/net/netfilter/nf_log exists, and the rx51_defconfig has netfilter enabled05:40
ds3that usually happens when your kernel doesn't ahve that enabled.05:41
ds3iptables is an additional option, IIRC05:41
ds3kernel option05:42
luke-jryeah... where? XD05:42
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luke-jrah got it05:43
luke-jrthis means there's no filters in my way05:43
udntnomemy mediabox is slow!05:44
luke-jrah well05:45
luke-jrds3: think I can build modules w/ 4.4? :p05:45
ds3that I donno05:45
ds3luke-jr: are you using the power users kernel? I think that has the filter stuff there (or is this non N900?)05:46
luke-jrthe default has filter too05:46
luke-jrI just wanted to be sure there weren't any :)05:46
* luke-jr ponders how to proceed with his problem05:46
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luke-jrds3: basically, gprs is blocking ports 80 and 443 outbound; I want to auto-proxy *only* those ports via SSH05:49
ds3always use socks :)05:49
luke-jrI don't want to mess with telling apps to use it :)05:49
luke-jriptables has a REDIRECT target to intercept stuff, but then I don't know how to get my userland app to discover the original target IP/port05:50
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ShadowJKhttp 1.1 requests contain destination host, so if you redirect to a http proxy, the proxy knows where to go05:55
luke-jrShadowJK: and port 443?05:55
ShadowJKin that case you need to tell apps to use a https proxy :)05:56
ShadowJKit only works for normal http because a normal http request looks same as a http request to a proxy05:57
ShadowJKbut a https request to a proxy is different, the client must request a tcp tunnel to the destination host05:57
ShadowJK(and then it does a normal https request through the tunnel)05:58
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luke-jrtechnically, HTTPS negotiates hostname too06:01
luke-jrbut I'd rather a better approach06:01
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luke-jrgetsockopt(clientfd, SOL_IP, SO_ORIGINAL_DST, (struct sockaddr *)&dstaddr, &dstlen);06:35
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luke-jrnot ideal, since it needs to accept the socket first, but oh well06:36
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luke-jrrx51_defconfig has Maximum VBUS Power usage set to 2 (range: 2-500 mA, used for USB gadget charging!)07:06
* ShadowJK wonders if that wasn't for the n900 as host case07:10
luke-jrunder 'USB Gadget Support  --->'07:10
luke-jrEnter the maximum power your device draws through USB, in milliAmperes.  The permitted range of values is 2 - 500 mA;07:11
luke-jrbtw, on prior topic:
luke-jriptables -I OUTPUT -p tcp --dport 80 -j SOCKSIFY07:18
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Maceriptables -A FORWARD -s -j DROP <- should drop all pkts from that subnet shouldnt it?07:55
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RST38hmoo all07:55
arachnistMacer: -A INPUT -t filter07:59
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luke-jrMacer: only routing, and note you have /24 but might mean /1608:04
Macerwhat does 16 convert to?08:04
Macer255.255.255.0 ?08:05
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arachnistin other words, ==
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Macerah ok08:06
Macerso that will deny everything on the #.#.x.x subnet?08:06
Macerwell. that explains why hinet was finding its way through08:06
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Macer-A FORWARD -s -j DROP08:08
Macerwouldnt it be forward since it is being routed from my router to the local subnet?08:08
Maceror should the router be treated as a bridge and passing it to the INPUT chain would be better?08:09
arachnistiptables -A INPUT -t filter -s -j DROP08:09
Macerdidnt even notice -t filter08:10
arachnistnot sure if that's not the default table08:10
Macerusing debian08:11
Maceri will take a look08:11
Macerwithout using the table flag08:12
Macerit would just be universal?08:12
Maceri dont want to pass on anything :)08:12
luke-jrMacer: if you're doing this on a router, you want to use FORWARD08:13
luke-jrand -t filter is default08:13
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luke-jrtables are different parts of packet processing08:13
luke-jrthere's raw, mangle, nat, and filter08:14
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Macerah ok08:15
Maceri am doing this on the actual machine behind the router08:15
Macerbut i will most likely block it on both08:16
luke-jrFORWARD = routed; INPUT/OUTPUT = local08:16
Macerbut for now i am concentrating on the server itself08:16
luke-jrFORWARD has no use on a non-router08:16
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luke-jrMacer: ever see VanDread?08:17
Maceris that a movie or something?08:17
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Macerno. never saw it08:21
Macerive been watching bleach08:21
Macerim on ep 180something08:22
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microlithgeh, bleach08:25
* SpeedEvil is rewatching Babylon 5.08:25
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* Stskeeps should rewatch lain08:26
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slonopotamus8:30am and +30 outside :( i want some rain!08:37
Stskeepsjoin the club08:37
MiXu-It's almost like being on a trip to Italy or something :)08:38
luke-jrStskeeps: easy fix for the DSP compile bugs in PR1.2 kernel source?08:39
Stskeepswhat compile bugs08:39
MiXu-Except having to work XP08:39
luke-jrStskeeps: drivers/dsp/bridge/dynload/cload.c:1478:50: error: token "->" is not valid in preprocessor expressions08:39
Stskeepsluke-jr: didn't see that one before, what compiler are you using?08:39
luke-jrGCC 4.408:39
Stskeepspr1.2 is buildable using gcc4.2 or something08:40
luke-jrthe code has basically: #if (somevariable->component)08:40
luke-jrwhich I don't think could ever possibly work...08:40
* Stskeeps dunno, uses meego kernel, upstream + very few patches08:40
luke-jrdoes it boot PR1.2?08:41
luke-jralso, define upstream ;)08:41
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Stskeepslinux mainline08:41
Stskeepsdoesn't have to boot pr1.2 :P08:41
luke-jrI didn't realize N900 was that close to mainline O.o08:41
Stskeepswe got some things into mainline during .33/3408:42
Stskeepsneat, aava mobile kit at 2393 USD per kit08:43
asjreally? what's all in the kit?08:44
Stskeepswell considering how expensive a zoom2 is as well -
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asjI thought there might be a dev board, not just a phone08:46
luke-jrStskeeps: so anyhow, it turns out T-Mobile has pretty good signal here, despite their claim to not have service...08:46
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luke-jrStskeeps: but to sign up for a post-paid plan, they want a bunch of private personal information...08:46
Stskeepsluke-jr: welcome out of the cave08:46
luke-jrand their pre-paid plans are a joke -.-08:46
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asjluke-jr: they are going to run a credit check on yes..08:47
luke-jrasj: well the government says not to tell anyone my SSN, so no.08:48
asjluke-jr: lol :)08:48
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luke-jranyhow, their only prepaid data plan is "exclusive" to Sidekicks, and blocks ports 80 and 443 outbound08:48
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luke-jrapparently their non-Sidekick block doesn't catch N900 though08:49
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luke-jrand somehow I'm using it with 0 balance XD08:49
luke-jrplus I found tools to auto-proxy the blocked ports ;)08:49
luke-jrjust need to build the REDIRECT iptables target08:49
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luke-jrbut I'm hoping to find SIP works good enough to just use the data08:50
luke-jrthen it's basically $30/mo for unlimited08:50
luke-jrwhich is what my wife has on CDMA (but no data)08:50
luke-jr(if SIP doesn't cut it, then it's 15 cents/min)08:51
asjI would be careful, especially talking about it, I'm guessing if they wanted to you could probably get charged with something08:51
luke-jrasj: for what?08:51
luke-jrusing a service I pay them for?08:51
asjluke-jr: ianal, but you are not using a service you are paying for. you're accessing a data service you are not paying for08:52
luke-jrwell, assuming it starts deducting from my balance once I refill it, I plan to be paying for it :p08:52
asjand accessing a network you don't have permission to be on is not something I would want to do08:52
luke-jrhence the $30/mo08:52
asjplsu the channel isn't that big, the luke-jr defense fund wouldn't be as big as Randal Swartz's08:54
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luke-jrasj: if you mean the device mismatch, the FCC doesn't let network owners dictate what hardware is used on their networks ;)08:55
luke-jrso long as it's FCC approved hardware08:55
asjluke-jr: <shrug> ianal08:56
* luke-jr shrugs08:56
luke-jrwhat damages are they going to claim, anyhow? :P08:56
asjthe 50 police guys to track you down ;)08:56
luke-jrthey just need a warrant to use their towers to triangulate me08:57
luke-jrnot police guys08:57
asjnot enough towers, you're in bfe/08:57
luke-jrbut I'd argue they could just ring my N900 and ask ;)08:57
Corsacthey don't need to triangulate, they can just ask your gps08:59
luke-jrCorsac: yeah, if the thing ever gets coords08:59
Maceriptables-restore v1.4.2: Line 6 seems to have a -t table option.08:59
Corsacyeah, good point08:59
Corsacmaybe the crappy gps is because of nokia privacy concerns?08:59
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MacerDROP       all  --  anywhere09:06
Macerthere it goes :)09:06
luke-jr-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 182087 Jul 13 00:56 /lib/modules/2.6.28-omap1/kernel/drivers/net/tun.ko09:07
luke-jr-rw-r--r-- 1 root root  17612 Jul 13 01:02 /tun.ko09:07
luke-jrany idea WTF is up with that?09:07
luke-jrlong path is GCC 4.4, second is PR1.2's09:07
luke-jrboth not stripped09:08
arachnistluke-jr: strip it!09:08
mortinihm, i think a friend of mine had the same issue w/android, but i don't remember the issue09:08
mortinior if he ever tracked down the difference09:08
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Stskeepsmorn wazd, had a good birthday?09:09
Macerdamn i seriously hope that blocked all of hinet09:10
Macerwhen i get the chance i will do the iptables-geoip thing and get some racist routing going09:10
arachnistwhat's so bad about hinet?09:10
Macermy mail server keeps getting tagged by hinet ips09:10
luke-jrChinese spam09:10
Macertrying to send spam or relay it09:10
Macertiawanese spam ;)09:11
Maceri havent started on china yet09:11
luke-jrStskeeps: does Maemo actually need the DSP? :P09:11
SpCombremember to block off the US consumer netblocks first09:11
Stskeepsluke-jr: no, but useful to have09:11
Macerus consumer tblocks?09:11
luke-jrStskeeps: any idea how well flasher 3.0 will work with N900?09:12
luke-jrStskeeps: Nokia apparently decided 64-bit wasn't important enough to get 3.5 :/09:12
SpComb"Countries with the highest number of spammers operating within their networks are usually those with poor or non-existent spam laws"09:12
SpCombguess which country is #109:12
Stskeepsluke-jr: i use -3.509:12
luke-jrStskeeps: don't suppose you have the code to build me a 64-bit static version?09:13
Stskeepsluke-jr: bingo, i don't09:13
Corsacluke-jr: it works fine on 64bit as long as you have the crappy i386 libs installed09:13
luke-jrCorsac: which I don't09:13
luke-jrnor plan to09:13
luke-jrI don't have the disk space to waste on 32-bit crap09:13
luke-jrI've been pure 64-bit since like 200509:14
Stskeepsextremist ;p09:14
luke-jrStskeeps: 3.5 still have the "boot kernel w/o flashing" option?09:14
luke-jrk, so I'll hope it hasn't changed since 3.0 :)09:15
Stskeepsused it yesterday09:15
Corsacluke-jr: I'm 64 bit since ages too, but I needed to use flasher, so...09:15
luke-jrStskeeps: FWIW,
luke-jrCorsac: 3.0 at least works for flashing09:15
Stskeepsluke-jr: ok09:15
Corsac(though it's not really the used space which scares me)09:15
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Corsac(I just don't like having “useless” stuff here and there)09:16
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luke-jrI suppose if I was really desperate I could hijack my PBX09:16
luke-jror netbook09:16
luke-jrbut my wife has that right now09:16
D-Iivil_WorkAaaahhh... coffee....09:17
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asjluke-jr: be glad you're not in isreal, they have mobile phone seeking missles09:18
luke-jryou mean Palestine? :p09:18
luke-jrwhere'd pupnik go lol09:18
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fralsman contacts-merger is awesome09:19
asjfrals: new app?09:20
fralsthink first version is a month old or so09:21
fralsbarisione did an awesome job with it either way :>09:21
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ZogGhow do someone add any news on MO?09:24
asjfrals: cool, installing now09:24
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asjthere needs to be a speed improvement for the app manager, 2min to load the catalog is terrible09:25
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ZogGasj use fast manager09:25
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ZogGthe name of program, in extras09:25
asjZogG: awesome, looking it up09:27
ZogGasj as well you can install rootsh and use command line09:27
asjZogG: =) yes09:28
ZogGsearch for apt-get commands in google and you will see how esy it is09:28
asjZogG: so why is there no apt-file then? :)09:29
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ZogGsay what?09:29
ZogGwhy do you need it?09:29
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asjZogG: you've never said "what package contains xyz?" it's a pain to grep the Contents.bz2 file09:30
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asjfrals: here's a good bug, it matches all my FB contacts and wants to merge them all together.09:33
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ds3does the 0xffff flasher still work on the N900?09:33
asjfrals: ah, lol, they do all have the same work number, heh09:34
ZogGasj there is such tools, i just not that familiar with debian based distros so can't tell you anything09:35
asjZogG: it's a normal apt tool09:35
asjZogG: maemo just doesn't include it09:35
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ZogGi don't know i use gentoo and portage utils are enuf for me =))) on maemo i just use forums and to know about the programs =)09:36
luke-jrZogG: so just use Gentoo09:38
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ZogGluke-jr on n900?09:40
Macerhave a phone app?09:40
luke-jrMacer: not yet09:40
luke-jrI'm not even booting yet :)09:40
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ZogGi need phone and has no time09:41
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luke-jrZogG: Maemo phone still works09:41
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Macer5.2T  3.8T  1.4T09:43
Macerrunning out of space09:43
Macerneed to add a sas card and sas09:43
Macermaybe make a 12 disk sas09:43
Maceron a separate zpool09:43
Maceryeah... wrong #09:44
SwedeMikejust buy a bunch of 2tb drives and raid6 them.09:44
Stskeepsbetter, raidz09:44
ZogGbetter — get  life09:46
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DocScrutinizerluke-jr: hear the black helis homing in at you?09:54
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RST38hso, what's cooking?09:56
DocScrutinizercoffee, I guess, is a good plan for cooking09:57
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pebHi folks, anyone awake?10:20
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jacekowskiX-Fade: are you there?10:22
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odin_jacekowski, are you looking for OBS ?10:34
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X-Fadejacekowski: Here.10:34
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crashanddieDocScrutinizer: ?10:39
DocScrutinizercrashanddie: uh?10:39
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crashanddieDocScrutinizer: cleaning your bans out?10:40
DocScrutinizerso you don't need to do it :-D10:41
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jacekowskiX-Fade: after package is built and queued for import it end's up in repo_queue - and what pick it up from there?10:51
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odin_will the packages be reset on the move, i.e. does not matter what kind of mess we make ?10:51
odin_X-Fade, also is this currently shared by other "live" users ?  what happens if it breaks?10:52
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luke-jrArmenian Radio was asked: "Is it true that conditions in our labor camps are excellent?" Armenian Radio answers: "It is true. Five years ago a listener of ours raised the same question and was sent to one, reportedly to investigate the issue. He hasn't returned yet; we are told he liked it there."11:00
DocScrutinizerjacekowski: moo. Sorry when I was unpolite to you yesterday11:03
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MiXu-Is there any speech synthetizator for maemo?11:04
MiXu-can it be used from Qt code?11:05
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fluxI imagine it's a matter of executing the proper binary.11:07
fluxapparently there's a library you can use as well11:08
MiXu-ok, sounds good :)11:08
fluxfestival would sound even better, but I guess it eats cpu too much11:09
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fluxhas anyone tried it?11:09
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X-Fadeodin_: Sorry had a phonecall. It is only used for testing atm, no essential production things run on it.11:10
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X-Fadejacekowski: We have a queuemananager script which basically copies the files into a the repo tree and runs apt-ftparchive on it.11:11
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luke-jrflux: LOL?11:16
luke-jrflux: Festival sounds like crap11:16
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fluxhmm, I remembered it sounded a lot more natural than eSpeak. (of course, not really natural anyway)11:19
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JaffaMorning, all11:29
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DocScrutinizermoo Jaffa11:43
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wazdI've officially found one product that you can't buy in Moscow for any price11:54
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keriowazd: the Mein Kampf?11:55
wazdkerio: close :) Elitebook 2540p :)11:55
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wazdI'm trying to buy it for 2 freaking months11:56
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wazdWish I knew that crap before and just ordered from the eBay :(11:56
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wazdTermana: heya11:57
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DocScrutinizer([2010-07-13 04:19:09] <luke-jr> what idiot thought of using YYYYDDMM for kernel package versions in Maemo5?)  might be YYYY<week><build>12:06
DocScrutinizerluke-jr: btw I uttered almost same wording some months ago :-P12:07
luke-jrwell anyhow12:07
* timeless_mbp chuckles12:07
timeless_mbpand people complain about the n900 update process12:07
luke-jrbuilt an unmodified PR1.2-source kernel12:07
luke-jrand it won't boot12:07
* DocScrutinizer pokes infobot12:07
Stskeepsneed to drop in /lib/modules too, you know12:07
luke-jrStskeeps: did that, including the current symlink12:08
DocScrutinizerlazy bugger down since 7h12:08
DocScrutinizerGAN900: what happened to your cloak?12:09
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luke-jrStskeeps: *IF* this log is from my kernel, mtd2 begins with: [21378.490783] Kernel panic - not syncing: Attempted to kill init!12:12
luke-jrearlier today it had some nonsense about failing to read swap panic12:13
luke-jr(which I'm not too worried about since that was probably the MicroSD swap doing something retarded, and I have no important data on there)12:14
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jacekowskihmm, with that battery12:18
jacekowskido we know how to calculate real temperature value12:19
jacekowskifrom value returned by gaia?12:19
DocScrutinizerjacekowski: have you loked nto sysfs?12:19
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DocScrutinizerlooked into12:20
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jacekowski /sys/devices/platform/omap34xx_temp/temp1_input_raw12:23
timeless_mbphow dare they hide stuff in /sys? :)12:23
timeless_mbpwith a logical name and everything12:23
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timeless_mbpevil, pure evil, hiding things in plain sight12:23
jacekowskiwell, on channel 0 of adc12:25
jacekowskii get ret: 0 status: 0 result: 4312:25
DocScrutinizertimeless_mbp: king of sarcasm :-P12:26
DocScrutinizer~ $ cat /sys/devices/platform/omap34xx_temp/temp1_input*12:27
jacekowskihmm 2812:28
jacekowskilittle bit higher than i would like12:28
DocScrutinizerjacekowski: ^^ looks about right here. I bet in kernel driver source you'll find the conversation algo12:28
jacekowskii was thinking about using it to measure room temperature12:28
jacekowskithat's why i was thinking about using battery temperature from gaia12:28
DocScrutinizerno way, temp inside device always several °C higher12:28
jacekowski( it's freezing cold here and somebody has switched AC )12:29
DocScrutinizerjacekowski: for room temp you're better off with LP5523 temp sensor12:29
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Izzehsince when did "I googled it" become ample excuse for asking stupid questions?12:31
DocScrutinizerjacekowski: honestly I doubt there's any place inside N900 where you get a reasonable idea of room temperature from12:31
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DocScrutinizerjacekowski: much more interesting would be to insert a battery cooled down to -5°C, and then immediately read out /sys/devices/platform/omap34xx_temp/temp1_input* every 5s, for next 10min12:33
DocScrutinizerjacekowski: as I wonder where that NTC actually sits, and how tight the thermal coupling to battery may be12:34
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DocScrutinizerjacekowski: it's even unclear if temp1_input actually is that NTC labeled bat_temp12:36
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DocScrutinizerjacekowski: R1110 BTEMP -> GAIA ADCIN0 (!)12:40
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jacekowskiNokia-N900-02-8:/sys# i2cget -y 2 0x32 0x3f12:41
jacekowskiDocScrutinizer: it's connected to adcin0 ( current input )12:42
DocScrutinizerjacekowski: ADCIN4:BSI, ADCIN2:hs-jack detect,12:42
jacekowskibut i have 0x19 from led driver12:42
jacekowskiwhatever it is12:42
DocScrutinizerLP5523? mompls12:43
jacekowski11:29 < DocScrutinizer> jacekowski: for room temp you're better off with LP5523 temp sensor12:43
jacekowskiwell, that was your idea12:44
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DocScrutinizeryou don't have the datasheet with conversion table for temp sensor?12:45
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jacekowskiwell, i don't have any usable datasheets for it12:46
jacekowskii got that register from kernel driver12:47
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DocScrutinizerjacekowski: LP5523 is nonpublic NDA ds. Dunno if you get same info from LP5521 datasheet12:49
DocScrutinizerreg 0x3f correct12:50
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DocScrutinizer3f: 8bit 2s complement, 11010111=-41°C, 11011000=-40 ... 01011000=+88, 01011001=8912:52
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DocScrutinizerjacekowski: HTH12:52
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DocScrutinizerjacekowski: btw defined range is -41°C..+89°C. Values outside that range are supposed to be limited to the corresponding min/max12:57
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DocScrutinizerTermana: if that's the URL from wiki, then that's no datasheet but a brief summary12:58
DocScrutinizerTermana: alas the link is stale here, or server down or whatever so I can't check right now12:59
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DocScrutinizerTermana: yep. 4p brief summary12:59
TermanaDocScrutinizer, actually I got it from somewhere else, but it is also linked from the wiki12:59
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DocScrutinizerthe real datasheet is 45p13:00
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TermanaDocScrutinizer, you have it already?13:01
DocScrutinizersure :-)13:02
TermanaDocScrutinizer, you should have indicated that, then I wouldn't have even searched :P13:02
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jacekowskiDocScrutinizer: hmm, any other requirements except NDA?13:03
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DocScrutinizerwell, maybe official EE of a existing company13:06
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DocScrutinizerdamn, is laggy like hell today :-S13:08
DocScrutinizer>>Your host is[]<<13:09
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DocScrutinizerjacekowski: anyway they stamp the document, and maybe also watermark it13:12
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DocScrutinizerjacekowski: "" Disclosed to Joerg Reisenweber, Openmoko HW&synergy under NDA/CDA # NSC Confidential Print Date/Time: 2010/01/26 00:25:57""13:13
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jacekowskiwhere do you go/call to get that doc?13:22
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smharany good pdf reader in N900 yet? one that supports links and bookmarks13:25
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DocScrutinizerjacekowski: check ns website,
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alteregoWe all knew it wasn't @software probledm ...13:30
jacekowskihmm, no phone number13:31
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RZI have some questions about mappero.13:35
jacekowskii've sent a request to them13:36
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alteregoRZ: probably better to ask the dev/s, but just ask rtaher than talking about asking :P13:36
jacekowskiand i'll see if they decide to send me that datasheet13:36
RZOk sorry. Is there a way to simulate driving? I just want to see if the sound is working.13:37
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alteregoOh, well. Go outside, then run down the stgreet holding it and making "brum brum" and "meep" noises. :)13:38
jacekowskii suppose you could hook into location api lib13:38
alteregoSorry, I don't know :P13:38
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RZI am going out making sure my neighbours think I lost it. :)13:39
RZIs mappero the best free navi for N900?13:40
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alteregoRZ: dunno, I think it's the only one with voice guided nav if that's what you require.13:41
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alteregojacekowski: not free :P13:41
RZIs sygic worth its money?13:42
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Stskeepsthink so13:42
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jacekowskiwell, not really13:42
jacekowskifor not a lot more you can get dedicated gps device13:42
jacekowskiwith holder and car charger13:43
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RZI was thinking about buying it if there are no viable free options. Maperro is nice but it is clunky.13:43
ech0Asussygic is good but is a pain in the ass compared to other gps's...13:43
RZFor about 60? pointless then.13:43
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jacekowskihow much was it13:44
jacekowski+ holder + charger13:44
alteregoCripes ...13:44
jacekowskicheapest tom tom is like £8013:44
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jacekowskior less if you go for something cheaper13:44
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ech0Asustakes a long ass time to load.. makes enter addresses in a retarded way too.. have to put in bits and pieces of the address at a time when someones telling you an address that gets in the way if they don't tell it to you in the specific order it puts in front of you..13:46
alteregoI need a job :(13:47
ech0Asusmakes you*13:47
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ech0Asusalso it doesn't have the right addresses on a lot of houses in houston13:47
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ech0Asusonly place i've tested..13:48
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ech0Asusso much as enter the wrong side of the highway e or w and you'll be 100's of miles from your target here in houston13:49
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alteregoShould be able to do an upgrade tomorrow. Gonna get _another_ N900 :)14:02
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pebI'm happy with mine ... just installing the SDK for development :-)14:05
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alteregoYeah, I want one for normal used and one for development. :)14:06
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Stskeepsmeh, real men abuse their devices for evil14:06
smharis there a way/application that makes it possible to enter text using handwriting?14:06
alteregoSomething I'm not tgoo paranoid about flashing daily/weekly etc.14:07
pebalterego, why for development? Doing the devel on the x86, and then out for testing/production on the N900. Eat your dogfood!14:07
alteregopeb: I use Nokia  SDK mainly now, so ... :P14:07
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alteregoAnyway, it'll be nicer for MeeGo dev and more lower level hacking.14:08
pebalterego ... ok, ok. Have you tried MeeGo on the N900 yet? I've not ...14:09
keriois there a maemo emulator for development?14:10
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D-Iivil_Workkerio, maemo emulator? Like scratchbox?14:10
alteregopeb: yeah, it's very flakey at the moment.14:11
kerioi wanna try it!14:11
D-Iivil_Workkerio, just download and install Maemo 5 SDK onto your linux machine and you're good to go :)14:11
zaheermany news on when harmattan sdk will be released?14:11
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pebalterego: there's the difference. Leading edge is ok, bleeding edge hurts ... that's the reason for your two and my one device :-)14:12
alteregozaheerm: I've been wondering that for a while, they're very late this time round. :)14:12
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alteregopeb: yeah. The current meego is probably okay for app dev. But as hardly any of the N900 hardware is working it's a bit lame if you want to do GPs or anything really. :)14:13
alteregoD-Iivil_Work: harmattan not fremantle :P14:13
D-Iivil_Workalterego, :P14:13
D-Iivil_Workalterego, he only asked if there was maemo -emulator :P14:13
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alteregoD-Iivil_Work: oh sorry, I got confused, thought you were replying to zaheerm14:14
alteregoAlmost 5k downloads, and no donations. Oh well, not a good revenue stream then :)14:14
RZWhere could i find extensive tutorials for mappero?14:15
D-Iivil_Workalterego, that's why I won't set up donation -page, it would only be frustrating to refresh the paypal -page to see if there's anything :P14:15
alteregoYeah :/14:15
RZI can't set a thing.14:15
alteregoThough I'm sure I'd get an email if someone did donate?14:16
D-Iivil_Workalterego, allthough I did get once 1 EUR as donation when I had a signature on a finnish mucician forum that stated: "please donate beer money for poor singer" :P14:16
D-Iivil_Workalterego, and then I had my bank account number beneath it.14:16
alteregoDangerous :14:17
alteregoMaybe I should state I'm an unemployed bum that needs money for rent in my tmo post :P14:17
D-Iivil_Workalterego, would propably work better ;)14:17
D-Iivil_Workalterego, at least you won't loose anything if you try that for two weeks ;)14:18
D-Iivil_Work=> dinner14:18
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pebalterego, do you have a good link to an "how to" after having the SDK installed? The Install is at 40% and I'd like to check upfront ..14:25
pebalterego, forget it ... just found the example codes on the nokia-forum. I'll check with them.14:26
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RZWhere in mappero can I find sound files? And can you change encoding for placenames? I am not using english...14:38
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Andy80one question: once I've access to Maemo Extras Assistant (I requested it for an application), can I use the same access if I develop another application? or do I have to request a new one?14:55
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D-Iivil_WorkAndy80, you can use the same.14:58
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LjLhow much (and which parts) of Maemo are open source? Stskeeps answered this one for me yesterday, but i'm now not sure whether the rough percentage he gave referred to hardware drivers only, or to Maemo as a whole.15:02
Stskeepsmaemo a a whole15:02
Stskeepsbased on packages15:03
LjLStskeeps: you said about 40% was open source... so what huge pieces aren't? the default apps?15:03
Stskeepsfor instance, sec15:03
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LjLvery interesting, thanks.15:05
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Venemohey everyone!15:07
LjLnow if i wanted to use Mer (while i wait for a working MeeGo), is that like 95% open source (i.e. only the binary drivers required)?15:07
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Stskeepsi'd personally not bother with mer, it is a 100% open source system but may need extra blobs, but it isn't feature complete15:08
Stskeepsyou're better off tracking meego15:08
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LjLmy idea would be to get a N810 (the N900 is way too expensive), though, so i'd have well, virtually no MeeGo at all at the beginning15:09
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Stskeepsi just had handset UX running, so if you're into optimizing stuff on top of qt without gl..15:10
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LjLwell i can write some C, but i doubt i'm nearly good enough to understand the source of stuff like this15:11
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tybolltStskeeps: any video/scr shots of a N900 running it?15:22
ZogGtybollt youtube15:23
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ZogGno phone features and a lot of missing things15:23
ZogGtybollt it's an old news15:23
sobczykis it possible to turn off virtual keyboard for certain fields? (or entire app)15:24
ZogGLjL i'll just quote from #meego <Termana> Aquarina, yes, Mer is now a dead project, everyone has moved to MeeGo15:24
ZogGsobczyk, not sure if it's program relatead or not15:24
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Venemotybollt: there are some videos on YouTube15:25
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ZogGVenemo slooooowpoke15:25
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sobczykI designed korean virtual keyboard in python for now but when I select input field the default VK pops out15:26
tybolltyoutubeing  now15:26
ZogGStskeeps, is there any roadmap or way of tracking of meego on n900, i mean whta is done and what is on progress15:26
LjLZogG: well i know that, but "dead" doesn't have to mean it won't work... i guess it depends on its degree of completion15:26
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tybolltI just got rickrolled :S15:27
tybolltso this thing w/ overcharging is because of a lack of BME equivalent?15:27
ZogGLjL, let's see, if you can do support it yourself - you can use it, as well MohammadAG51 is working on ubuntu on n900 as far as i know, you can use it also as mer ubuntu based distro15:27
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ZogGtybolltovercharging where?15:27
ZogGLjL, as well i quoted wrong thing - i wanted to quote this — Termana> Aquarina, MeeGo on the n810 is a work in progress15:29
tybolltZogG: in meego, the video seems to suggest meegoo lacks charging monitoring hence can overcharge the batt?15:29
ZogGtybollt, i dunno, in aava it works great, ask Stskeeps about BME port to meego(or rewritting of it)15:30
TermanaZogG, keep making my highlights set off and I'll need to slap you :P Kidding lol15:30
Stskeepstybollt: no, it doesnt charge at all. we have working bme now though15:30
ZogGTermana, damn, i made it on purpose cause i wanted that slap15:30
* Termana slaps ZogG15:30
ZogGohh yeah15:31
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TermanaRather girly thing to do of me, someone might think I'm gay! :P15:31
ZogGStskeeps, can you answer my question please =)15:31
ZogGas well Stskeeps, do you work on maemo as well?15:31
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ZogGTermana, and you are not?15:32
Stskeepszogg, , track our meetings and channel logs15:32
ZogGTermana, maybe i'm girl ))15:32
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ZogGStskeeps, i meant some organazied roadmap15:32
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ZogGRST38h, wow, man, be carefull, don't touch me there15:33
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RST38hMedical tools.15:33
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ZogGi mean cigs15:33
StskeepsZogG: check requirements. we are currently working on audio, modem, wlan15:34
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Stskeepsfor ux parts, thats another department15:34
ZogGStskeeps, as i understand, as stacks are out UX will be out after that soon enuf15:35
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ZogGStskeeps, and maemo, do you work in maemo team as well?15:35
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StskeepsZogG: nothing to deal with meego. ux is out already?15:36
ZogGi just read the maemo5 upgrade news on T.org15:36
Termana_Yeah that was a convenient time for my computer to completely freeze up.15:36
ZogGStskeeps i mean the parts that are not out yet15:36
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ZogGfrals i meant15:37
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ZogGjust took wrong letters from TMO15:37
Stskeepszogg, most stuff is there i believe15:37
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ZogGStskeeps good to hear15:37
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fralsZogG: could you give me a link?15:37
TermanaZogG, in answer to your question, no :P15:38
ZogGthe words potential and we don't know if and when scare me15:38
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ZogGScelt, you don't use chrome, do you? =)15:39
SceltZogG: chrome? no. I use x terminal15:40
ZogGScelt, links?15:40
Sceltx terminal15:40
Sceltand opera15:40
Sceltbut browser has nothing to do with x terminal url catcher15:41
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ZogGi loved opera once, but now it's lagging and freezing15:42
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Sceltsomewhat irrelevant15:43
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quidnuncHow do I take photos on the N800?16:02
quidnuncI can't find an app16:02
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keriohuh... camera16:04
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* alterego wonders what the chances of Nokia opening up a load of apps for Maemo 5 now they've got MeeGo16:16
alteregoThings like the calendar could do with some serious love ..16:16
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Venemoalterego: yeah, the calendar is very much non-hildonized16:20
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Venemoalterego: I wonder if we can backport MeeGo's calendar app (if there is one)16:20
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alteregoVenemo: probably, it didn't actually occur to me to backport MeeGo UX apps to Maemo 5, could be a good idea.16:27
alteregoThough, Meego/Harmatten for N900 might just make that idea redundant ..16:27
nealI'm having trouble finding documentation about the .install file's format.  Please point me in the right direction.  Thanks.16:27
alteregoI guess it depends on thee quality of our MeeGo release ...16:27
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Venemoalterego: well, I don't know what will Harmattan look like, but if it will be similar to the MeeGo handset UX, it will be bloatware :(16:31
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GAN900DocScrutinizer, irssi isn't auto iding.16:32
DocScrutinizerGAN900: so?16:33
GAN900DocScrutinizer, so, no auth with NickServ, no cloak.16:33
DocScrutinizerGAN900: mhm16:33
alteregoVenemo: I think it's safe to say it won't look too much like the MeeGo Handset UX16:34
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kerioGAN900: just connect using your nickserv password as your server password16:35
kerioor use ":user password" as your server password16:35
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Venemoalterego: well, people from Nokia say that it will16:36
alteregoOh, hrm ..16:36
alteregoI still think it'll look radically different.16:37
Venemoalterego: at last, they both use the "MeeGo touch" (aka. DUI) framework16:37
alteregoWhat do you mean by bloatware anyway?16:37
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alteregoGreaet ... Multitouch ... :(16:37
Venemoalterego: well, I wish I was wrong, but I don't think that they will be any more functional than the current Hildon Desktop16:38
Venemoalterego: of course I don't have any information about it, but judging from what we've seen from the Handset UX, I don't expect much16:39
Venemoalterego: I can only hope that they will keep the panoramic desktop feature16:39
alteregoWell, if Android has it ;)16:39
Venemoalterego: although I've seen no widgets on the desktop in either of the Handset UX videos16:40
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Venemoalterego: I don't really like Android16:40
alteregoWell, I don't think the "desktop" is actually properly implemented yet.16:40
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alteregoI'm pretty sure it will be there. What I'd like is widgets on the lock screen :)16:40
alterego(aswell of course)16:40
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Venemoalterego: I hope so16:44
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alteregoOf course, this is something we can have a say about :)16:45
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Venemoalterego: how so?16:46
alteregoWell, MeeGo is FOSS, if we want widgets in the home screen then all we have to do is get enough people to want the same and submit a patch or whatever.16:46
alteregoI mean lock screen ...16:47
Venemoalterego: MeeGo is FOSS, but the UX we'll see in the devices won't be16:47
alteregoIt will be based on the MeeGo UX base I would have thought ...16:47
alteregoIsn't that the whole point?16:47
TermanaVenemo, what are you talking about?16:48
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alteregoOtherwise we'd have to write home screen widgets for manufacturer X's implementation.16:48
Venemoalterego: in theory, yes, but noone knows for sure16:48
alteregoSure, they'll be customised, but it's going to be the sadme core UX/.16:48
TermanaVenemo, MeeGo Touch is now FOSS. Harmattan will use MeeGo Touch16:48
Venemoalterego, Termana: okay.16:48
TermanaSo, yes, we will see this on devices. But manufactures are free not to use it if they desire.16:49
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VenemoTermana: let's hope so.16:50
fralsi have a feeling a comparison with android might be accurate16:50
fralsie theres the foss stuff anyone can use, but manufactures put their own stuff on top - eg senseui or whatever samsungs is called16:50
Termanafrals - in a nut shell, yes.16:51
Venemofrals: sense is actually htc's16:52
fralssame shit different name ;p16:52
Venemofrals: hehe :D16:52
keriohmm... will harmattan run on n900?16:52
* alterego continues working on his base code ...16:52
Venemokerio: there will be a community edition16:53
Venemokerio: at this point, noone knows if this edition will be better than Maemo 5 or not.16:53
TermanaVenemo, not officially from Nokia, but there will be a community effort to put Harmattan on the N900. Nokia have said they will license the closed source parts for usage in a community edition16:54
VenemoTermana: yes, that's what I've said16:54
keriohold on, *why* are they developing harmattan? haven't they fully moved to meego already?16:55
VenemoTermana: although I really don't get the whole point of Harmattan's existence now that MeeGo is out16:55
Venemokerio: yes, this is what I don't understand either16:55
kerioi mean, what's the target for harmattan at this point?16:55
keriothe n900?a16:55
keriothe n900?16:55
TermanaHarmattan has already been in development. Unfortunately Nokia is a business, and they can't just let all the effort into it go to waste16:56
kerioso they *will* release it for the n900!16:56
Venemokerio: no, Harmattan's target is the "harmattan device"16:56
kerioVenemo: there's no harmattan device!16:56
Venemokerio: yet.16:56
keriothere won't be16:56
keriothere will be a meego device16:57
kerioif nokia is to be believed16:57
Venemokerio: Harmattan is also called MeeGo now :)16:57
Venemokerio: at last, it is "a MeeGo instance"16:57
kerioi see16:58
Venemokerio: see Ari Jaaksi's blog16:58
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X-FadeMarketing sees the world a bit different ;)16:59
GAN900kerio, yes, I know how to fix it.16:59
VenemoX-Fade: yeah, unfortunately.17:00
TermanaX-Fade, heh. Still, if users see the MeeGo UI on the Harmattan device, and then see the MeeGo UI on a MeeGo device, they are probably not going to entirely know the difference anyway17:00
Termananormal users that is17:00
VenemoTermana: the difference will be only the package format17:00
X-FadeTermana: But then they expect the meego apps to run too.17:00
X-FadeTermana: Which isn't the case.17:00
GAN900Really, seriously, does anybody else just think "Wow, it's like they put together a UX using only UI paradigms from their competitors" when you look at the Handset UX?17:00
X-FadeDetails, details ;)17:00
alteregoGAN900: yeah, I think it's pretty uninspired ...17:01
VenemoTermana: how do you explain an end user that "this MeeGo can install .debs while that MeeGo can install .rpms"17:01
alteregoThe Maemo UI, with a bit of polish is so much nicer imo ..17:01
alteregos/is/would be/17:01
Venemoalterego: agreed.17:01
TermanaGAN900, I think its a nice mash of everything, and it looks good IMO. But I have to be honest - I want to flick the windows up to get rid of them like in webOS :P (thats what it looks like)17:01
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GAN900I mean, come on, the homescreen is lifted right from iOS17:02
TermanaAnd I think other people are going to expect the same, and when it doesn't work, they'll be confused.17:02
Venemobtw, the Handset UX doesn't look bad. it just doesn't look better than Maemo 5.17:02
alteregoReally? I think it looks rubbish :P17:02
keriowait, meego uses rpms?17:02
alteregokerio: yes ...17:03
kerioyum install apt4rpm17:03
TermanaVenemo, I'm thinking an end user isn't going to know weather they are installing debs or rpms. You'll just get a nice interface that abstracts away from the packages.17:03
kerioapt-get remove yum17:03
GAN900MeeGo: What WERE they thinking?17:03
VenemoTermana: well, let's hope that this is the case17:03
VenemoTermana: also, if the Qt guys get it right, you can build the same app for both platforms with a single click17:03
Appiah"MeeGo will use the .rpm format." oh my17:04
GAN900Venemo, good luck with that17:04
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kerioGAN900: apt4rpm is definetely needed17:04
VenemoGAN900: with what?17:04
TermanaJust as an aside, for the people that like the Maemo 5 UI better, there is nothing stopping you from continuing to use that while still taking advantages of all apps made for MeeGo17:04
GAN900At least if you want to use any real features from either platform.17:04
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GAN900Venemo, Qt Nirvana is only an oasis.17:05
VenemoGAN900: what do you mean? :P17:05
GAN900It's not actually something I think Nokia as a company is capable of delivering.17:05
viszyou mean mirage?17:06
TermanaGAN900, what does it matter if Nokia can't deliver it. Thats the great thing of having a community that improves your OS and tools.17:07
kerioTermana: the fact that you can deliver a crappy product?17:08
Termanakerio, twisting my words. I meant that the community is able to assist Nokia in making sure Qt works multi-platform properly.17:09
VenemoGAN900: fortunately, now that it is fully open source, it doesn't depend on Nokia anyway17:09
DocScrutinizerpfff makes me love tmo17:10
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ElAngelotrying to install fennec but i get a "handler silently failed"17:11
DocScrutinizeror X-m.o for that behalf17:11
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GAN900Termana, Nokia's got too much control over Qt for that to pan out.17:13
GAN900visz, indeed.17:14
SpeedEvilUnless you fork something - if you can - upstream has a _huge_ control over the project17:14
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SpeedEvilAnd even if you fork, porting stuff over from 'their' branch can be an unsupportable maitnainance problem17:15
TermanaGAN900, thats silly. It doesn't matter whos in control, they are going to accept submissions that make it work like its suppose it17:15
Termanasuppose to*17:15
SpeedEvilAssuming that 'supposed to' is in line with their internal design requirements.17:16
SpeedEvilAnd not in conflict with internal branches of the code that may be being developed in private.17:17
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TermanaSpeedEvil, your overcomplicating the issue IMO - the problem statement was "Nokia is unable to deliver Qt as tool to easily write cross-platform code." If they are unable to deliver this, then it isn't in their internal trees either.17:19
SpeedEvilIs that an official nokia statement?17:20
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TermanaSpeedEvil, what? no. Scroll up and read :P <GAN900> Venemo, Qt Nirvana is only an oasis. <GAN900> It's not actually something I think Nokia as a company is capable of delivering.17:21
SpeedEvilScrolling up is too much effort17:22
Termana:P lol17:22
SpeedEvilthough actually I did, and missed that17:22
SpeedEvilAlso - gan's opinion doesn't mean that there isn't an internal nokia effort aimed at it - and if there is - then getting you own code checked into mainline is substantially less likely17:23
Stskeepswhat is secret now?17:23
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TermanaSpeedEvil, Maybe GAN needs to clarify exactly what he meant. But I took it to mean he didn't think Nokia could deliver it at all, and so code wouldn't be waiting in an internal tree to deliver it17:25
SpeedEvilI was meaning though a project is open - if the mainline repo is controlled by the corporate - then there is a tendancy to have internal branches secret sometimes, and merely drop the code into public when it's ready17:25
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SpeedEvilNokia being capable of delivering it, and Nokia having an internal project to deliver it are not contradictory.17:25
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SpeedEvilnokia being incapable of delivering17:26
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Appiahumm , is it impossible to import POI's on ovi maps? (n900)17:31
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kerioAppiah: doesn't surprise me17:32
kerioovi maps for n900 is a crappy program17:32
Gh0stywhy you should buy an n90017:32
Appiahcant read that17:33
Gh0styshort translation: the phone was sliding over the road at 60km/h (not sure how much that is in miles, try google) over a distance of 100m17:33
Appiahbut looks like someone dropped that?17:33
Gh0stywhen it fell of his scooter17:33
Gh0stythe phone is still working17:33
Gh0stybut the sliding mechanism is a but sturdy17:33
TermanaGh0sty, WIN!17:33
kerioscratched, i assume17:33
keriomeh, it kinda looks like mine now17:34
Gh0styand the black metal on the side of the screen is more metalic looking :p17:34
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Gh0stywell I have to say I dropped mine too :/17:34
Gh0stythere is a small dent in the side of the screen17:35
Gh0stybut it's ok17:35
TermanaHow could you, I think I'm going to have to go cry over all these n900 droppings :P17:35
FinnishHow is it possible that a TI-based expresscard doesn't work on my laptop?17:35
Gh0stywell it was not intentional :/17:35
FinnishSorry, wrong channel!17:35
TermanaGh0sty, :'( doesn't make it any better! That poor n900! :P17:35
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Gh0styyes i know17:36
Appiahcan anyone recommend a free GPS software for n900 that allows POI's?17:36
Gh0styand when it got water over it I was already afraid it would die :/17:36
kerioprobably mappero17:36
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TermanaWATER! :O17:36
Gh0styand that was at a concert someone throwing with cups of water ... when i was typing an sms17:36
Gh0styofcourse it had to land on me and my phone :x17:36
Gh0stybut it survived :)17:36
keriodid you punch that idiot?17:36
Gh0stydid not see who did it17:37
pebGhOsty, RIP?17:37
Gh0styjust felt it :/17:37
Gh0stywould have punched him :P17:37
Gh0styno it's ok17:37
Gh0stydried it with my shirt immediatly and it still works17:37
Gh0stybut for a device of 2 weeks old I  was scared :x17:37
Gh0styGuess thats not covered under warranty :p17:37
TermanaGh0sty, heh, probably not.17:38
wndthat's where home insurance comes into picture  (I know, there's excess, still)17:39
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Termana"I had a flood in my house... no nothing got damaged, only my n900" :P17:42
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Gh0stylol Termana17:44
Gh0stya local flood :P17:44
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wndI dropped my n810 into sea, called my insurance company and explained that the thing slipped out of my pocket while geocaching on a breakwater. five minutes later I was cleared to buy a new one (and repair the damaged one).17:45
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Stskeepswnd: nice17:48
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keriownd: how much do you pay for your insurance?17:50
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jacekowskikerio: i have something like that for free17:51
jacekowskikerio: just have to pay £30 excess in case of claim17:51
jacekowskikerio: but it comes with my bank account as one of "free" addons17:52
jacekowskikerio: with AA cover, travel insurance with winter sports cover , phone insurance, free overdraft17:52
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wndkerio, I can't remember exactly, but around 100 euro a year17:58
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zeevHi, what is going to happen to hildon?18:00
keriozeev: hopefully it'll die of a painful death18:00
Venemokerio: why do you say "hopefully"?18:00
Venemokerio: I will actually miss Hildon.18:01
Stskeepszeev: i've submitted an initial port of hildon on top of stock gtk to the gnome mobile people, in meego packaging, let's see what they do with it18:01
zeevwhy? is it that bad?18:01
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VenemoPauly: hello18:09
Termanarecursion combo breaker!18:10
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kerioCorsac: hmm18:14
keriothat's not the correct way to answer18:14
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GAN900Termana, I don't think it's going to pan out like people seem to think it will.18:16
GAN900Termana, due to architecting.18:16
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KhertanHi !18:20
Stskeepslo Khertan18:21
Corsacz overflow18:21
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Khertan'lo Stskeeps ...18:22
Stskeepshow is it going?18:23
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Khertana bit tired ... after 3 weeks of holidays18:24
Khertan3 weeks trying to finish the bath room at the first stair in my house ... too many things to do18:25
Khertannothing finish ...18:25
Khertani see that you have made a first version of meego running on n810 ...18:26
Khertannice !18:26
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Paulyim so sad i charged the phone all night still wont power on :(18:26
kerioPauly: did you replug it every half hour?18:27
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Paulysomeone said that taking apart ac adapter and hooking directly to battery would work?18:28
kerioi wouldn't risk it18:28
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keriodon't you have a friend with a phone that accepts the same battery?18:29
Paulyim so lost18:29
Paulyall the tmobile stores dont have a open nokia 5230 i can use18:29
Paulyno i do not18:29
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Paulyusa is like so anti nokia for some reason lol18:31
RST38hYahooo, KOffice now lets edit documents18:31
RST38h(Ok, SOME documents, SOMETIMES).18:31
kerioRST38h: pff - OO.o ftw18:32
TermanaRST38h, so whats your really saying is:18:32
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TermanaYahooo, KOffice half works, half anal fists you18:32
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TermanaRST38h, anyway, in what cases is it not letting you edit documents?18:33
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smhar I am worried I will fill the / partition very soon with all the downloads I am making :-)18:35
lcuksmhar, then keep track of it18:36
Paulyis bl-5j the only compatible battery for n900?18:36
RST38hTermana: I could not figure it out18:36
RST38hTermana: What I know is this:18:36
RST38hTermana: 1) You can only start a new text document, but not presentation or spreadsheet18:36
smharlcuk, I am, I think I need to see if I can move a certain directory out of / and symlink it18:37
RST38hTermana: 2) When you open a text document, the UI is not the same as when creating a new document. You cannot use styles, layout, etc but you CAN input text18:37
RST38hTermana: On the positive side though, KOffice is pretty snappy, once you reduce swappiness18:38
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PhonicUKanyone know if the Quake II port uses 3D acceleration?18:38
PhonicUKor just software rendering18:38
RST38hDoes not afaik18:39
valdynquake2 is even implemented in opengl?18:39
RST38his not, afaik18:39
valdynhmm, it is, looking at those screenshots18:39
PhonicUKthere are Q2 ports using OpenGL18:39
PhonicUKthere are even OpenGL ES ports18:39
PhonicUKthe Pandora version uses GLES18:40
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PhonicUKmaybe I should set up a build environment and just compile that18:40
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RST38hThe main thing would be about providing comfortable controls though18:40
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PhonicUKI'd use the same scheme as OpenArena I guess18:41
RST38hSo many people failed with that, on the mobile devices...18:41
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PhonicUKRST38h, have you tried Mupen64 with the accelerometer?18:42
PhonicUKbliss :D18:42
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RST38hPhonic: Not really, I do not have any games for N6418:44
b-man~seen MohammadAG5118:45
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b-maninfobot isn't on :P18:46
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VenemoMyrtti: what's the problem?18:48
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Myrttiheat, thirst and my abysmally bad memory18:48
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VenemoMyrtti: ah. yeah, that's bad, indeed18:51
Myrttihaaaa! GNASH18:52
Myrttiyou stupid piece of crap why are you installing adobe flash18:53
RST38hMyrtti: Suffer!18:53
DocScrutinizerMyrtti: :-)18:53
RST38hIt is flash 10.x!18:53
RST38hDidn't you want it on your N900? Didn't you? =)18:54
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MyrttiRST38h: I didn't want it on my laptop even18:54
DocScrutinizerb-man: infobot is dead since >14h18:54
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DocScrutinizerb-man: :-S18:54
kerio~botsnack i say!18:54
DocScrutinizerkerio: /whois infobot18:54
smharI have internet access in my notebook, my N900 is connected to it using usb, how I can I access the net through it?18:54
Venemoinfobot is not even here.18:54
Venemosmhar: I don't know if it is even possible.18:55
DocScrutinizerVenemo: think that's what I'm saying :-)18:55
b-man: you haven't seen MohammadAG, have you? - i haven't been able to contact him18:55
Venemosmhar: first you would have to enable internet connection sharing18:55
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DocScrutinizerb-man: mompls, could check if he is connected to his bouncer18:56
RoazielHi guys and girls... I have a very unusual question. My question is very tech oriented, but is about windows OS, not Maemo, however I came here because this is the only IRC chat I know of where everyone is tech savy o_O... so anyway.. my question is about WPA cracking. I have a 64-bit windows 7 OS, and Im going to be staying at m grandmothers house for a few days. However she has no internet access18:56
Roazielbut her neighbour has a fiberoptic connection routed through a wireless router which is protected by a WPA-PSK18:57
kerioask her neighbour for access18:57
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RST38hMyrtti: It is harmless18:57
TomaszDRoaziel, you have no chance of cracking the network18:57
RoazielI cant, her neighbours are a bunch of turds and arent nice to her at all18:57
lcukRoaziel, live without internet for a couple of days18:57
RST38hMyrtti: But make sure you DECLINE McAffee installation18:57
lcukits not end of the world18:57
RST38hMyrtti: Because that is going to be way less harmless18:57
RST38hlcuk: it is not?18:57
kerioRoaziel: try passwords18:58
lcukno, thats next week18:58
kerioit's what aircrack would do anyway18:58
RST38hlcuk: You mean, no next DrWho season?18:58
RoazielWell it kind of is since I need to study while Im at her place but all my assignments are posted up on the schools server. I need internet access :S18:58
TomaszDRoaziel, also, nobody will give you advice that would make them accessory to what looks like at least felony18:58
TomaszDyou're on your own18:58
lcukRoaziel, download now whilst you have internet18:59
lcukoffline cache..18:59
* lcuk rollseyes at people who think the cloud is ever present18:59
Roazieli wont be able to access the stuff that will be posted later on18:59
TomaszDdownload some movies, audiobooks, you'll survive19:00
kerioRoaziel: really, ask the neighbor nicely19:00
RST38hCloud? What is cloud?19:00
DocScrutinizerb-man: sorry, mohammad seems to be offline19:00
RST38hIs it the new thin client? :)19:00
kerioexplain your situation, and ask for the password19:00
RoazielThey threw garbage over to my grandmothers yard.. I doubt being nice is gonna help...19:00
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b-manDocScrutinizer: thanks anyhow :)19:00
* Myrtti rolls her eyes19:01
RoazielBut alright. Thanks anyway.19:01
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CorsacRoaziel: breaking the law won't really help either :)19:01
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kerioRoaziel: pregenerated passwords are related to the serial19:02
keriothe mac address is related to the serial19:02
TomaszDeven if he catches the handshake packet, with a moderately strong password he doesn't stand a chance of cracking it, be it with rainbow tables or otherwise19:02
TomaszDso just get a prepaid 3g sim and put it in your phone and make that your access point19:02
kerioif it's not the pregenerated password, it's a birthday/name of dog/birthday of dog19:02
Myrttimove on19:03
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Wild_DoogyHey chaps, anyone know much about the workings of the N900's gps? cause I have an idea to really speed up the lock time....19:04
lcukn900 lock time has never been a problem for me19:04
DocScrutinizerb-man: (infobot) [2010-07-13 16:15:24] <DocScrutinizer> ehlo TimRiker [2010-07-13 16:15:41] <DocScrutinizer> infobot on holiday?   ---   <no reply> :-/19:04
nidOmake sure agps is enabled, consider changing the agps server to google's, and dont stand in a faraday cage19:04
nidO= np with getting a lock19:04
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Wild_DoogyI dont have a SIM so I am using the old fassioned orbital type of GPS19:05
nidOget a sim19:05
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Wild_Doogybut that costs $ lol19:05
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Corsacget wifi19:06
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Wild_DoogyI noticed that the N900 takes a long time to acquire satellites depending on how much sky it can see, but it has no trouble holding them once it finds them. I wonder if it would be possible to trick the GPS module into thinking it was already locked onto all the GPS satelites. lock time from 4~10 min to 30 seconds :-D19:07
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Wild_DoogyOr I could just get a SIM >_<19:08
CorsacWild_Doogy: I guess you don't really know how gps works?19:08
VenemoWild_Doogy: wi-fi is good, too19:08
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keriowait, how would that work?19:10
Corsacwow, 1900€ for aava sdk19:10
Corsacmore like an hdk though19:11
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DocScrutinizer([A]GPS) - I recently noticed - by comparing two devices - that even with WLAN internet access and a decent idea of current location (lon/lat correct in GPSjinni to at least 1. decimal), the device with a non-registered SIM too ages (stopped it after 15min) to get a fix, while the other device with registered/logged-in SIM got a fix in 10s19:16
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DocScrutinizerso it seems there is still some kinda bug in PR1.2 with assisted GPS19:16
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DocScrutinizer(if it's not the one device being broken hw :-P )19:17
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RST38hDoc: It appears to use cell info for localization19:18
RST38h(not as in language localization of course)19:19
DocScrutinizermore seems like GPS driver managing the A bit really doesn't know how to use any prev location guess of locationlib which is *not* based on cell info19:19
Corsacwhen gps enables, it first reset the position to the center of the country it's in, something like that19:19
DocScrutinizerCorsac: that's not what I observed in GPSjinni19:20
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RST38hApple Censors Consumer Report iPhone4 Discussions19:20
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DocScrutinizerCorsac: as mentioned above the lon/lat shown was pretty exact, but still no fix for GPS, despite the fact it *could* get assisting data via WLAN from internet, based on lat/lon shown in GPSjinni19:21
RST38hDoc: file a bug and raise hell19:22
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DocScrutinizerwell, I skipped the PIN input so modem wasn't really powered up. Lemme try again with inputting some PIN (SIM still won't log in as it is an expired one)19:23
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GAN900RST38h, I don't think that works anymore19:25
RST38hGAN: True19:26
GAN900Since "maintenance mode" is just code for "we really don't care, but we're going to pretend just a little to appease these irritating people."19:26
RST38hGAN: Is anyone still working on supporting maemo5 at all?19:26
Corsacthey all moved to harmattan!19:26
DocScrutinizerGAN900: ack19:26
GAN900RST38h, supposedly19:26
GAN900RST38h, I don't buy it, personally.19:26
xim_is there a way to change the maemo system sounds? (n900)19:26
tuliobaarsis it ready?19:26
tuliobaarssure, xim_19:27
tuliobaarsin /usr/share, i guess19:27
tuliobaarsor someplace around there19:27
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xim_ahh, so i'm supposed to manuallly replace the wav files?  seems like a hack, i expected to change a pointer in a config or menu of some kind19:28
tuliobaarsGconf editor19:28
tuliobaarsyou can change the target19:28
tuliobaarsfor wav files19:28
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tuliobaarsOK, got it?19:30
tuliobaarsxim_ ?19:30
* tuliobaars Burps!19:30
xim_im looking into it19:31
tuliobaarsOK, good luck19:31
xim_honestly i only have the vaugest idea, i'm checking to see if there is gconf-editor in the app manager, and im not sure where to look in there if it does19:32
tuliobaarsif u have some questions, just ask19:32
xim_ok thanks!19:32
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tuliobaarsSure! You're welcome19:32
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tuliobaarsSo, xim_, Everithing OK? I think it would be easier if you connect your N900 in PC with WinSCP to change the files19:37
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xim_yeah, i think your right19:38
xim_it seems there is no gconf-editor19:38
xim_and i use ssh all the time19:38
tuliobaarsit would be very easier that doing targeting file to file19:38
tuliobaarsNo, the Gconf Editor is avaible for all maemo devices, i guess19:38
xim_nice!  found them all under /usr/share/sounds19:39
tuliobaarsI said something on /usr/share19:39
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xim_i have gconftool, its command line, but gconf-editor wasn't in the app manager19:39
xim_o well19:39
tuliobaarsIRC 1 x 0 N90019:40
xim_this will work thanks19:40
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xim_lol ya19:40
tuliobaarsSo add some repo and update19:40
tuliobaarsinstall in xterm19:40
DocScrutinizer([A]GPS) - mhm, it seems AGPS is using the current lon/lat values only when location lib reports at least "low precision". On the device without cell info the GPS applet says "no location" despite the lon/lat it correct from last fix, so GPS lingers on with 3 (correct) sats found, at 80% 96% 100%, but doesn't find any further sat nor gets a fix19:40
tuliobaarsso let me tell you something19:40
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kerioDocScrutinizer: can that be fixed?19:41
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kerioi mean, having a registered sim is not that hard, and the n900 *is* a phone, but still...19:41
DocScrutinizerdunno. You could at least fake a cellinfo19:41
tuliobaarsWhen i was adding some repo in my N810, some N900 apps where avaible for N810!19:41
tuliobaarsI've installed some FreMantle apps on N81019:42
keriotuliobaars: do they work?19:42
tuliobaarsslow but work19:42
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xim_ah maybe its because i had turned off extras-development because someone said it would help me install the autodisconnect app19:43
tuliobaarslike the easy-deb-chroot19:43
DocScrutinizerwoooot, it found a 4th sat - even one of those the other device is using as best ones (before it had bogus sat every now and then, which didn't show up at all in the device with fix)19:43
tuliobaarsi'm not sure but can be19:43
DocScrutinizertadaaaa, FIX!19:43
tuliobaarsturn all repos on19:43
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tuliobaarsIts strange, running FreMantle apps19:44
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tuliobaarson Diablo19:44
tuliobaarsI had to install at least 30 libraries...19:44
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DocScrutinizeranother detail I noticed: it seems like GPS isn't really started 'full power' by GPSjinni. At least the device with SIM ramped up number of found sats from 3 to 7, ~10s after I started maps app19:45
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kerioDocScrutinizer: what about the builtin map widget?19:47
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RST38hwhen you run GPS Diagnostic Utility though, it seems to be much snappier19:47
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DocScrutinizerkerio: not tested19:49
smharI have installed LED Pattern Editor, but can not seem to find it anywhere in the list of installed applications19:49
keriosmhar: settings?19:49
DocScrutinizerRST38h: yes, I seem to remember similar19:49
DocScrutinizersmhar: it's in settings19:50
DocScrutinizerand it has a bug ;-D19:50
smharohh,, thanks :-)19:50
DocScrutinizerbut no bgtracker19:50
smharwhat bug?19:50
DocScrutinizerperiod duration is shown as half of what it actually is19:50
DocScrutinizeror double?19:50
alteregoNice Qt SDK just got hit with "dpkg: status database area is locked by another process :D19:51
keriowhat's wrong with the default patterns?19:51
smackpotatif anyone is interested in overclocking there 810 see this synopsys of how im coming along at this page under dochez. i like the guys software very much and it souldn't be to hard to convert to diablo19:52
DrGrovDocScrutinizer: god damn, i am sorry. i just always forget to send you the adapter :(19:52
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DocScrutinizerDrGrov: no worries - it's no showstopper19:53
DrGrovDocScrutinizer: good to know. i have a insanely slow non-functioning brain in the summer time due to the heat.19:53
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xim_i really dont think maemo has gconf-editor19:54
MyrttiI know I've seen one for atleast Diablo19:54
smackpotatdiablo has it xim_19:54
Myrttiand even if there isn't, gconf files are just xml19:55
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Myrttiit's not rocket science to edit them19:55
xim_i'm trying to find a way to modify the system sounds of the device without just overwriting the files and which would mean formatting my files i want as aac's or wavs so they match the random default formats etc19:56
smackpotatare there any makefile experts here19:56
DocScrutinizerhmm, any network masters around?19:56
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smackpotatwhat doo you have doc19:57
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DocScrutinizermy IRC bouncer has a send-Q of some 6000, to the external IP that's my N900 3G internet connection19:57
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DocScrutinizerof course xchat on N900 lags like hell19:58
smackpotatcan't help u19:58
smackpotati use pidgin19:58
DocScrutinizercould anything ahead of an outbound TCP connection block packet sending?19:58
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smackpotatthese arnt easy questions19:59
DocScrutinizeror is that just the amount of of not yet ACKed packets piling up in the sendQ?19:59
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DocScrutinizer51strange enough outbound from N900 is reasonably fast20:01
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DocScrutinizerlike ~500ms max from one client to other20:01
smackpotatkind of slow dont you think20:02
DocScrutinizerjust inbound only sometimes is laggy up to minutes20:02
RST38hwhy is it surprising?20:03
xim_doesnt changing system event sound pointers seem like a very basic OS function that should be supported by included menus?20:03
alteregoThis is quite tiring.20:03
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DocScrutinizersmackpotat: N900 -3G-> bouncer -internet-> freenode-server_A -> freenode-server_B -DSL-> this_client20:03
xim_i mean i know its linux and developers like to keep it complicated... ;p20:04
DocScrutinizerI'd think <500ms timed by my ears is good enough20:04
RST38hAn inbound packet has to deal with WiFi power saving (if going over wifi) *and* N900 being put to sleep most of the time when it is idle20:04
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RST38hAn outbound packet is guaranteed to be send from a device that is active20:04
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DocScrutinizerRST38h: well understood, except that's 3G, not WLAN20:05
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DocScrutinizerso I wonder if even the modem has some sleeping mode creating minute lags, when inbound data pending20:06
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RST38hmost likely20:07
RST38h+ consider your cell phone provider's infrastructure that may be biased toward outgoing packets20:07
alteregoI can't get XSendEvent to work :(20:08
DocScrutinizermhm, /msg DocScrutinizer51 gave me 13s lag on first time and ~0 on 2nd immediately following20:08
DocScrutinizerRST38h: strange nevertheless20:08
DocScrutinizerwell, it should nicely serve my needs regarding power savings on 3G20:09
kerioDocScrutinizer: i'm on 3g, but i'm not having problems20:09
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kerio(xchat connecting to a bouncer)20:09
smackpotatid say so too i was playing with a ti develpment kit for a cc430 and u could put the modem to sleep the radio could be waked on radio but these are fast actions taking only a few enstuctioons20:10
xim_is it normal for n900 to be slow and laggy all the time? glitching poeples voices in phone calls etc?20:11
smackpotat10,s of cycles20:11
xim_low fps switching desktops20:11
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SpeedEvilxim_: cell radio is _enormously_ more complex.20:12
tuliobaarsxim_, everything OK with your wav ?20:12
SpeedEvilxim_: It's got its own processor with 16M of RAM, and 2M of ROM20:12
tuliobaarsHello SpeedEvil20:12
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DocScrutinizerlo SpeedEvil20:13
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DocScrutinizerwooohooo 12k sendQ20:14
tuliobaarsxim_: Caution with your wavs, you could fu** the files, making them too large or something wrong20:14
tuliobaarsmake a backup20:14
tuliobaarsmy device is full of strange icons that i had change20:14
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smackpotatspeed evil do you know something on makefiles20:15
xim_tuliobaars, no, i gave up, its frustrating that there is no built in support for something as simple as changing sound pointers, half the sound files are aac, half are wavs, it would be an ugly hack having to reformat my own files arbitrarily and then overwrite system files to do it, its a dirty hack for some basic OS function, very frustrating20:15
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tuliobaarsSpeedEvil, how can I compile a .sh script without using Scratchbox20:15
xim_goes with the general feelin i have sortof come to feel like my n900 has inherited all the unstable glitchiness and lack of stable apps as all other linux on desktops etc20:15
SpeedEvilYou don't compile sh scripts20:15
DocScrutinizerdamn, it doesn't even help to send something, the lines tween "your wav ?" and gg still missing20:15
tuliobaarsi know20:15
D-IivilEvening folks.20:16
SpeedEvilsmackpotat: I know very little of makefiles20:16
DocScrutinizeras well as everything after that20:16
tuliobaarsbut i wanna make it executable in maemo devices20:16
tuliobaarsmkswap, mkdos20:16
SpeedEviltuliobaars: shell scripts are executable on maemo devices20:16
nidOthen you just chmod +x it and execute it20:16
DocScrutinizersendQ 26k20:16
D-Iiviltuliobaars, isn't that executable already?20:16
tuliobaarsnot in Maemo20:17
nidOyes in maemo20:17
SpeedEvilyou're not beginning it #!/bin/bash ar eyou?20:17
D-Iiviltuliobaars, just chmod it.20:17
SpeedEvilBecause that won't usually work20:17
SpeedEvilalso - you can't execute anything on MyDocs - as it's FAT20:17
smackpotata module i want to play with has a makefile for an arm cross compiler how to i change it for the diablo sdk20:17
tuliobaarsbut It only works on ubuntu, yet20:17
smackpotator do i20:17
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tuliobaarsits a Kernel Fixer20:18
tuliobaarscalled MaemoTurbo20:18
xim_SpeedEvil, i dont suppose you have any idea why my phone is so laggy then?20:18
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SpeedEvilxim_: Powertop, top, ps, ...20:18
SpeedEvilthe normal 'why is my foo so slow' tools20:18
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D-Iiviltuliobaars, place the script somewhere else than MyDocs and you can execute it after chmoding it correctly.20:18
SpeedEvilmine isn't laggy and I have maybe 60 things installed20:18
tuliobaarsyes, this way i know20:19
SpeedEvilPowertop will tell you - largely - what's using lots of CPU20:19
xim_i use top like crazy, nothing eats my cycles in general, its just naturally laggy fps and sounds20:19
kerioi'd say "basic OS function" would be multitasking, copy and paste, networking20:19
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tuliobaarsi wanna distribute and make like a OneClick20:19
D-Iiviltuliobaars, you can put it inside deb and do all chmoding etc automaticly.20:20
xim_kerio, seriously, its not an apple 2, i get where you are coming from, but guis have come a long way since 198220:20
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kerioxim_: so the UI is crappy20:20
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tuliobaarsBut how can i do it?20:20
kerionot the OS20:20
kerioit's a *huge* difference20:20
D-Iiviltuliobaars, google for debian packaging.20:21
tuliobaarsthanks for help20:21
RST38hxim: decrease swappiness.20:22
xim_kerio, ill buy that, but still its a symptom of a larger issue of linux (and the dev community) being disorganized and relying on 3rd party software they have no quality control over to perform essential tasks, then the 3rd party apps never work or do what they are supposed to do, its the same on ubuntu as slack as maemo20:22
RST38hUI is ok. It is lagging because of some outdated kernel settings.20:22
D-Iiviltuliobaars, no problem. I'd help but it's too slow to type coz I'm chatting with N900 atm.20:22
tuliobaarsI'm on N81020:22
RST38hxim: Ok. Then buy an iPhone and stop whining.20:22
tuliobaarsiPhone is piece of BS20:22
kerioxim_: with disorganization also comes variety20:23
RST38hBecause FOR ME, the 3rd party apps that I have installed work exactly how they are supposed to work20:23
xim_i used to be the biggest anti-microsoft linux-up-talker there was, and after using linux as my primary os for years, its def not as stable or perfect as people act, mainly because of this 3rd party app thing20:23
DrGrovxim_: go get yourself a fucking iPhone and stop complaining you little greedy bastard20:23
RST38hxim: With an iPhone you will not have any larger linux issues, such as community20:23
tuliobaarsiPhone is for Noobs20:24
kerioit's not perfect20:24
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keriobut it's way better than the alternative20:24
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RST38hxim: And you will not need any 3rd party apps because iPhone does everything you will ever want from a phone20:24
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tuliobaars"Ohh, but it have a Xterm Emulator!"20:24
RST38hxim: And it is shiny.20:24
xim_RST38h, really? fmms doesnt work, half the games crash when you try to open them, the offline GPS map downloaders are non existant and do nothing, the IR remote programs dont work at all, the os lags so much even the system sounds glitch when i get a text message, the widgets like recaller crash spontaneously20:26
D-IivilRST38h, it even tells you how to keep the phone correctly in hand. Or should I say it forces you to handle it "right" :P20:26
kerioxim_: qtirreco works great here20:26
DrGrovxim_: so stop fucking complaining and get the iPhone and enjoy. Perhaps that is better?20:26
xim_so my option is apple, or no quality control20:26
kerioand the ui is snappy20:26
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tuliobaarsiPhone 4 x N90020:26
RST38hxim: As I said, get yourself an iPhone: it has MMS20:26
kerioxim_: or winmo! :P20:26
tuliobaarsiPod Touch x N81020:26
RST38hxim: As for myself, I never had fMMS installed20:26
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nidOfmms works fine for me, i havent seen a single game that crashes, qtirreco works perfectly, my os doesnt lag atall, and i've been using recaller for 4 months recording every call i make/receive and its never glitched once20:26
nidOwhats that say about you?20:27
RST38hxim: And all the games I have installed work20:27
tuliobaarsI prefer the N900 and the N81020:27
tuliobaarsand you guys?20:27
kerio:O there's a program to record calls?20:27
xim_it says maybe i have a defective device20:27
DrGrovnidO: i perfectly agree with your statement.20:27
nidOkerio yeh, recaller20:27
xim_it works awsome when it doesnt crash your desktop20:27
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DrGrovnidO: nothing has had any issues what so ever. sure, a few reinstalling issues after PR 1.2 but that is minor20:27
RST38hxim: I can share images directly, using email or any of the image sharing services20:27
D-IivilI had few crashes here and there with recaller.20:27
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xim_can even record non call mic input, with amazing clarity20:27
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RST38hxim: Why would I even need MMS?20:27
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kerioxim_: fyi, the iphone doesn't do call recording20:28
kerioi think20:28
* D-Iivil thinks xim_ is on wrong channell....20:28
xim_lol i hate the i phone20:28
xim_steve jobs is a huge tool20:28
tuliobaarswhen does the PR 1.3 going to release?20:28
xim_im a computer engineer20:28
kerionah, it's a nice phone20:29
xim_i just want some quality control20:29
infobotfrom memory, pr1.3 is a ban'able subject now.....20:29
DrGrovxim_: so stop complaining already, wrong channel20:29
keriofor end users20:29
D-Iivilxim_, huge tool???20:29
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tuliobaarshumm, that sounds lit bit gay20:29
tuliobaars"Huge Tool"20:29
nidOtheres plenty of quality control. if you want more, register a garage account, join the testing squad, and put some time in testing applications before they hit extras20:29
nidOit seems you have countless problems with these applications that no-one else does, so youll be an ace source of debugging info.20:29
kerioand regarding the signal drop... the n900 has a consistant 12dBm drop when i hold it with the right hand20:30
xim_it must be my device if yall are saying all those apps i mentioned work for you20:30
tuliobaarsHuge tool sounds gay...20:30
nidOthat or you'll be told to apply some computer engineer 101 skillz and figure out whether it's just you thats buggered your device first.20:30
tuliobaarsstop saying that...20:30
D-Iivilkerio, how can you monitor the cell level?20:30
kerioalthough it crashes constantly under 2g for me20:31
D-Iivilkerio, have to try it out :P20:31
wolf^tuliobaars, please stop flashing us with your projections20:31
keriotuliobaars: HUGE TOOOOOOOOL20:32 a turtleneck20:32
keriohmm, is there a way to use key repetition instead of using the symbol key?20:32
tuliobaarsprojections? What are you trying to say?20:32
xim_maybe i should wipe my device and start it over from scratch20:33
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tuliobaarsHow much a used N900?????20:33
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RST38hdon't wipe, sell20:34
nidO0 morons?20:34
RST38hget an iphone 3gs20:34
derfThat moron count is suspiciously low.20:34
nidOtheres gotta be at least 50 in this channel20:34
tuliobaarsi wanna buy one20:34
RST38h'cause they say 4g is kinda broken20:34
kerioxim_: meh20:34
tuliobaarsN900! How much? Used one!20:34
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tuliobaarsI wanna buy!20:34
keriotuliobaars: ebay.com20:34
tuliobaarssome one wanna sell yours?20:35
kerioi bought mine for 350€20:35
tuliobaarsi know ebay.com20:35
DocScrutinizerkerio: waitwaitwhat? netmon?20:35
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tuliobaarshere is around 1000 dollars20:35
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nidOwhere the hell is "here", the moon?20:36
xim_i really dont want an iphone, i want an open platform heavy development phone with awsome hardware like the n900, i just have been very dissapointed with how the one I have performs up to this point, maybe i installed a bad APPle when i first got it that fubared everything20:36
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DocScrutinizerkerio: what's netmon? where from is that 12dBm figure?20:36
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xim_i assumed everyone else had the same issues as me and was just living with it because "yay its linux"20:36
kerioDocScrutinizer: a program for n900?20:36
DocScrutinizerkerio: don't fool me, LINK!!20:36
xim_so it sounds like I need to wipe20:37
kerioDocScrutinizer: apt-get install netmon20:37
kerionot sure what repo, don't care20:37
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kerioi assume you have everything20:37
kerioxim_: hmm20:37
keriocan't hurt20:37
VenemoI've got disconnected20:38
Venemomy network provider is a pile of garbage.20:38
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D-Iivila flash a day keeps the phone in shape :P20:38
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kerioi started my "experience" by flashing everything - used phone20:38
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tuliobaarshey, lost connection20:38
tuliobaarsso, do someone want to sell your N900???20:38
nidOtbh iv had my device since february, and i've only had to reflash it once, and that was intentional to switch from uk firmware to global20:38
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tuliobaarsi reflash it every week20:39
keriotuliobaars: they wouldn't hang around #maemo if they wanted to get rid of their n90020:39
DocScrutinizer>:-( curse MohammadAG and his custom kernel spoiling any apt-get with "have unmet deps"20:39
tuliobaarsbut, i don't know, someone could have two and wanna sell one20:39
keriowhat's wrong with kernel-power?20:39
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keriotuliobaars: well, if they have two they probably have a reason20:40
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kerio(that is probably "being crazy")20:40
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DocScrutinizerkerio: doesn't know about hostmode20:40
tuliobaarsa reason could be sell it?20:40
Myrttior they personally own one and one is for work purposes20:40
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Myrttituliobaars: would think they would've sold it by now20:41
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kerioDocScrutinizer: does it work?20:41
tuliobaarsjust forget it20:41
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DocScrutinizernope :-PÜ20:41
Myrttielectronics is a bad investment, price goes down the moment you walk from the shop20:41
RST38hMyrtti: That is a yet undiscovered market20:42
RST38hMyrtti: Electronics that attans value with time20:42
tuliobaarsno, here, the N810 still is being selled at around 600 dollar20:42
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nidOagain, where is "here"?20:42
tuliobaarsand a N900 for 100020:42
Myrttituliobaars: and what was the original price for it?20:42
D-Iivillol: " I love this phone but I just don't have the time anymore to use all of the functions it provides."20:42
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xim_myrtti, exactly the same with cars, minute you drive them off the lot the value drops by 10gs20:43
tuliobaarsN810:  Starting at 1000 to 5000 reais20:43
Myrttituliobaars: see, so the price has gone down20:43
tuliobaarsN900: 1200 to 2000 reais20:43
Khertan_n900hi again20:44
DocScrutinizerwow, netmon :-)20:44
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D-Iiviltuliobaars: 1200 reais seems to be about same what they sell the N900 here in Finland also.20:44
tuliobaarsihere eletronics are expensive20:44
MyrttiI bought my N800 for £70 a year ago.20:44
Myrttiused electronics is like that20:45
tuliobaarsyeah, thats the right price20:45
tuliobaarsbut look at N810!20:45
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Khertan_n900maybe someone have an idea on how i can achieve a tab switching like in fennec in qt between different window ?20:45
xim_i got mine for free from a guy who works for nokia20:45
xim_thats the right price20:45
tuliobaarscan you gimme one too?20:45
D-Iivilxim_: and still you're whining?20:45
xim_i wish20:45
D-Iivilxim_: I would understand the whine if you'd paid the price...20:46
evilbitanyone using diablo with gpe_calendar and syncevolution?20:46
xim_lol no you didnt20:46
tuliobaarsDiablo is with me20:46
xim_you just like shouting20:46
tuliobaarsUse zsync20:46
Khertan_n900hum ... noone know :(20:46
tuliobaarssync GPEcalendar with outlook and Gcallendar20:46
tuliobaarsI still use diablo running FreMantle apps. Any problem?20:47
D-Iivilxim_: shouting? Me?20:47
tuliobaarsHardware modified N81020:47
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evilbitI don't have outlook...20:47
tuliobaarsbut Gcalendar or Gmail?20:47
tuliobaarsi guess20:48
tuliobaarsgive the shot20:48
evilbitI'm running a funambol server and the desktop is linux + evolution20:48
tuliobaarsThunderbird engine20:48
tuliobaarsopen Evo20:48
tuliobaarslook for sync20:49
tuliobaarsand sync!20:49
xim_D-Iivil, you wouldnt "whine" if you had a device hailed as the nail in the iphones coffin, which then was glitchy and laggy and half the apps didn't work?  with performance issues that no one can explain?  that is so unreasonable?20:49
tuliobaarsSimple as life20:49
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DocScrutinizerkerio: nidO: thanks20:49
xim_that you would curse at the person20:49
tuliobaarsxim_ you can't just stop whining?20:49
evilbittuliobaars: well, I'm really looking to sync without being bound to the desktop20:49
D-Iivilxim_: well.. if I had it for free...20:49
xim_thats retarded20:49
tuliobaarsdo you use internal mail?20:49
xim_are you retarded?20:49
D-Iivilxim_: I wouldn't be that pissed.20:50
RST38hxim: 1) Nokia never hailed it as a nail in iphone's coffin20:50
kerioDocScrutinizer: does 2g work for you?20:50
tuliobaarsWhos retarded?20:50
RST38hxim: (stupid bloggers did, but you weren't listening to them, were you?)20:50
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D-Iivilxim_: and now you start to throw names in the air? Just wondering who's the retarded one here...20:50
tuliobaarsWHO IS RETARDED?20:50
RST38hxim: 2) As I said before, the lagginess is easy to fix with a single line in XTerm20:50
DocScrutinizerno 2G for now, SIM expired -> status: SIM rejected20:50
RST38htuliobaars: You are. Wanna talk about it? =B)~20:50
MyrttiCHILL OUT.20:50
xim_someone who says a promotional device shouldn't work is retarded20:50
RST38hMyrtti: Hey, I have just come back to this window and found my prey!20:51
tuliobaarsRST38h: Your luck i woke up happy today, or...20:51
D-Iivilxim_: where did I make a statement like that? Could you be so kind and point me that :)20:51
tuliobaarsI dont said that!20:51
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xim_not you tuliobaars youve been helpful20:51
xim_d-Iivil is just being obnoxious20:51
tuliobaarsoh thanks20:51
Myrttifor crying out loud. it's just a bloody piece of plastic and some solder20:52
Venemotuliobaars: "dont said" -> "didn't say" => learn English!20:52
xim_and no im not gonna quote what you said 60 seconds ago20:52
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tuliobaarsRST38h: The retarded here is you. Stop doind this. Talk like a man, not like a kid, please20:52
xim_I already said i probably just need to flash the device, and you keep attacking me for being upset my device doesnt work20:52
Myrttifinger pointing ♥20:53
D-Iivilxim_: all I said was I wouldn't be so damn pissed of if I had something for free and it didn't work flawlessly. I would just put it away and that's that.20:53
D-Iivilxim_: you were the one that immediately started taking out cards like "retarded" ;)20:53
xim_but that was just an excuse to keep attacking me in reality, because you were already flaming me before i said i got it free20:53
tuliobaarsOhoh, things are getting warm here, isn't?20:53
RST38htuliobaars: meh!20:53
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DocScrutinizerplease, could you chill!?20:53
xim_and not immediatly, after i found you couldnt be reasoned with20:53
xim_yeah im done20:54
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tuliobaarsMeh! Whats that?20:54
alteregoAnyone here got a little time and some Xlib knowledge? Specifically with XSendEvent for sending key press/release events?20:54
tuliobaarsxim_: tuliobaars@gmail.com20:54
RST38htuliobaars: That is my reaction to certain people20:54
RST38halterego: yes, what?20:54
tuliobaarsNo problem20:54
tuliobaarsRelax and enjoy the view20:54
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xim_anyway im gonna go reflash, thanks for the help (you know who you are)20:55
xim_later all20:55
D-Iivilxim_: later, don't be away too long :)20:55
alteregoRST38h: - I'm trying to programatically open the application menu ...20:55
tuliobaarscontact me xim_20:55
RST38halterego: a moment20:55
tuliobaarsif you have problems20:55
xim_sure thing, got your email ;) thanks20:56
RST38halterego: funny, I have done that :)20:56
xim_pz out!20:56
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RST38halterego: Maemo5 has not got F4 though20:56
alteregoRST38h: and it worked for you?20:56
RST38hno, I did it differently20:56
alteregoRST38h: I know, but it's in the Qt source, so I presume that function still works ..20:56
alteregoI just don't know _my_ code works because I've got no real way of debugging it.20:56
alteregoRST38h: do you have an example?20:56
RST38hFor Tentacled's sake, people, SOTP USING XTest20:56
RST38hXTest has not been designed for your little apps =)20:57
D-IivilRST38h: XTest?20:57
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kerioooh, function keys20:57
kerioi miss function keys ._.20:57
alteregoRST38h: this better?20:57
RST38halterego: It is your own app, right? And you are opening a menu in it?20:57
alteregoRST38h: that's the aim yes ;)20:57
RST38halterego: Yea, XSendEvent is the one20:57
RST38hLemme locate my code20:58
alteregoRST38h: thanks :)20:58
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keriowhat's xtest and what's wrong with it?20:58
tuliobaarsRST38h, wheres the F4 function key?20:58
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alteregotuliobaars: there is no F4 key on the N00,20:58
alterego~N900 ..20:59
RST38halterego: I do it much easier20:59
alteregotuliobaars: there is on the N8x0 and 770 though20:59
alteregoRST38h: good! HOW?! :D20:59
RST38halterego: I directly call the event handler, as it is in the same appp20:59
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RST38halterego: bypassing X completely20:59
alteregoRST38h: gtk?20:59
tuliobaarsbut in N8x0, just witn ext. keyboard, i guess alterego20:59
RST38halterego: yea20:59
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RST38halterego: But yours should work20:59
RST38halterego: Except that you should probably send KeyClick21:00
alteregotuliobaars: no, it's the menu button on the N8x0, and 77021:00
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RST38halterego: The real key goes like this: KeyDown->KeyClick->KeyClick->...->KeyUp21:00
tuliobaarsand the Chr? Works for something useful?21:01
RST38halterego: try KeyClick first, if it does not work, send all three in sequence21:01
RST38halterego: And I doubt F4 still works21:01
alteregoRST38h: Do you happen to have scratchbox running at the moment? ;)21:01
RST38halterego: Nope. WinXP.21:01
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RST38halterego: And I am an SB2 person anyway21:02
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alteregoOh, m'kay21:02
alteregoLet me check the source, hang on.21:02
alteregoRST38h: I'm pretty sure F4 does still work.21:02
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RST38halterego: how have you checked?21:02
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RST38hBT keyboard?21:02
tuliobaarsso, havve to go21:02
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alteregoRST38h: no, just the source, I don't have sbox to check.21:03
alteregoIs anyone here running scratchbox right now? :)21:03
alteregotuliobaars: have you got the emulator running with a maemo5 desktop?21:03
tuliobaarsOh, now, but Qemu should help?21:03
alteregoNo ...21:04
D-Iivilalterego: I am.21:04
tuliobaarsmy sbox is for diablo sdk only21:04
tuliobaarsso, bb21:04
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alteregoAh, m'kay21:05
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Venemoalterego: why isn't MADDE good enough for you?21:05
D-Iivilalterego: why do you ask?21:06
alteregoBecause I need to see if F4 works in the emulator :P21:06
alteregoBecause I don't have a device with an F4 key :)21:06
Venemoalterego: why do you need F4 anyway?21:06
alteregoBecause F4 "should" trigger the application menu.21:06
Venemoalterego: I thought you want to open an app menu progmatically21:06
Venemoalterego: aaah...21:06
DocScrutinizerkerio: switching to GSM with netmon open works like a charm21:07
alteregoLine 3381 -> 338821:08
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D-Iivilwtf. Why isn't my xephyr opening? What went broken with scrathbox after updating Ubuntu?21:09
DocScrutinizerkerio: switching back to DUAL works as well21:09
D-IivilI get this in terminal when trying to launch xephyr: hildon-desktop[28590]: GLIB WARNING ** Gtk - cannot open display: :221:09
D-Iiviland after that it segfaults :-/21:09
D-Iivilscratchbox terminal is working just fine.21:10
DocScrutinizermpff, no xchat on new device yet21:10
alteregoD-Iivil: you need to "export DISPLAY=:2"21:10
alteregoin scratchbox21:11
RST38his that thing defined though?21:11
alteregoRST38h: yes21:11
D-Iivilalterego: I'm using the to launch it.21:11
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RST38halterego: could you post XSend* thing again?21:13
RST38hhello konttori21:13
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konttoriRST38h: hi21:13
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D-Iivilwell.. didn't need the graphical emulator anyways :-/21:14
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jacekowskiD-Iivil: that error means that app can't connect to xserver21:19
jacekowskiD-Iivil: so it's either not running21:20
jacekowskiD-Iivil: or not running on display :221:20
jacekowskiD-Iivil: or it's not configured to accept connections from that client21:20
jacekowskior all of the above21:20
D-Iiviljacekowski: okay... well... how to debug or even get it up and running again? It worked fine before upgrading Ubuntu from 9 to 10.21:21
RST38halterego: root must be the root window of screen21:21
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D-Iiviljacekowski: hmm... synaptis is offering an upgrade for xserver. Will try to install it and see if it works then :)21:25
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kerioDocScrutinizer: then it's probably related to my weird situation21:28
kerioh3g italy uses tim (the main provider) as a fallback when 3g is not available21:28
kerioi'm not sure if it's considered roaming21:28
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D-Iiviljacekowski: when trying to run the Xephyr it gives me: Unrecognized option: -kb21:32
D-Iiviljacekowski: I'm trying to run it with this command: Xephyr :2 -host-cursor -screen 800x480x16 -dpi 96 -ac -kb &21:32
D-IivilOkay... I should learn to read the wiki :D21:34
D-Iivil"Ubuntu 10.04 users using the package in the repositories will have to run the same command without the -host-cursor and -kb, however the terminal window will have to stay open."21:34
D-IivilWorks now :-P21:34
D-IivilBut cannot see my cursor in Xephyr window... :D21:35
D-IivilNevermind. Just added the -host-cursor back to the launching command and it's working now.21:37
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D-IivilSo alterego, what did you want me to test?21:37
alteregoLoad up a program that has an app menu, and press F4 on your keyboard and tell me if it opens the menu21:38
D-Iivilalterego: by app menu you mean?21:39
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D-Iivilalterego: in conversations it indeed opens up a menu.21:40
D-Iivilalterego: but in browser it does not.21:40
keriomicroB is weird21:41
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DocScrutinizer*modem* is weird. Still(!) no decent USSD&servicecodes21:43
DocScrutinizermeh, there's a ticket for it21:44
DocScrutinizerN900 is no phone, that's evident21:44
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DocScrutinizerjust a miracle how it got GSM cert21:45
kerioservice codes?21:45
keriowhat does that do?21:45
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jacekowskiDocScrutinizer: would it be of any use to be able to modify CMTS firmware?21:50
DocScrutinizer*#61# is a query if cal redirect on no accept is enabled21:51
DocScrutinizerjacekowski: probably21:51
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DrGrovHow can I easily do a call forwarding from my N900 to my fiancees N97 when I am on the move?21:52
DocScrutinizerDrGrov: that's the point - you can't21:53
DrGrovSeriously, WTF?21:53
DrGrovHow the fuck does that not work? This is so crappy fucked up news21:53
DocScrutinizerbecause modem firmware/cellmo driver was built in a way where all the STANDARD codes do not work like they do on *every* other cellphone21:54
DrGrovDocScrutinizer: Now Nokia has really fucked up things!21:54
StskeepsDrGrov: there is a call forward thing in phone console21:54
DocScrutinizerStskeeps: as crippled as can get21:55
DrGrovStskeeps: It does work I hope without any problems?21:55
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DrGrovTomorrow I do not care who answers at Nokia Care or where ever else but I do get them to know that I am angry as hell.21:56
DocScrutinizerwell, since PR1.2 USSD (*1xx#) seems to work21:56
DocScrutinizerbut not the standard service codes21:56
jacekowskiwell, i think i know how to wipe certificate block and program it again21:56
DrGrovjacekowski:  you do? that is great :)21:56
jacekowskiwell, i'm sure about wipe21:57
jacekowskii'm not sure about programming it again21:57
DrGrovjacekowski: good, wiping is good to know :)21:57
jacekowskibecause it looks like it may still need to be signed21:57
DrGrovnah, always destroy first and then think what is happening :D21:57
DrGrovwho actually was so dumb at Nokia to even think about such an idiot idea to even not get call forwarding to work properly?21:57
kerioDrGrov: the n900 is an internet tablet with a 3g data modem21:58
keriocalling with it is a side effect21:58
Mouseyits a phone21:58
jacekowskiand then even if we would change certificates to known value21:58
jacekowskiMousey: tablet21:58
Mouseythe n810 was a tablet =P21:58
Mouseyi miss that thing21:58
jacekowskiiPad is a phone?21:58
ljrn900N900 is an upgraded N81021:58
kerion900 > n81021:59
Mouseyyou mean downgraded =(21:59
DrGrovkerio: it is a fucking phone!21:59
jacekowskiit's a fucking tablet21:59
keriojacekowski: no calls21:59
jacekowskieven nokia sells it as a tablet21:59
microlitheverything with a 3G modem is a phone, obviously21:59
ljrn900the phone app is a phone21:59
DrGrovit is a god damn phone, and a tablet. both shit in the same package.21:59
Mouseyits more a phone than a tablet21:59
ljrn900my N810 can make calls..22:00
* microlith refrains from sarcastic mockery22:00
jacekowskibtw. i've heard that HTC desire has worse battery22:00
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Mouseybtw, who cares. HTC doesn't run debian (derivatives)22:00
DrGrovyeah, who gives a fuck if the N900 does not have a WORKING call forwarding?22:01
DrGrovGod damn I get more and more irritated at all the flaws...22:01
DrGrovWhen I do want to explore possibilities the answer always is "No, it does not work". or then it is a PITA22:01
Mouseyget an n810. it'll be a long time before a better tablet is released again22:01
keriowhy is it better than the n900?22:02
microlithwell, instead of raging and griping here, why not sell it?22:02
jacekowskiMousey: n900 is a tablet22:02
StskeepsDrGrov: did you even try ussd widget and such?22:02
Mouseybigger keyboard, bigger screen, better feel in hand, HOST MODE USB22:02
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jacekowskiis call forwarding really broken?22:02
Mouseybetter speakers22:02
kerioMousey: so... doesn't fit in a pocket and has host mode22:02
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kerioi see22:03
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jacekowskii thought you can set it up from settings22:03
Mouseyits a tablet, pocket fittery is optional22:03
DrGrovmicrolith: you think i will give up on the N900 so easily? You gotta be kidding me22:03
Mouseyits always fit in my pocket22:03
DocScrutinizernot for N900 muhahaha22:03
jacekowskiSettings -> Phone -> Call Forwarding22:03
DrGrovStskeeps: I will try it out, I had some minor issues though.22:03
DrGrovjacekowski: will try that way first. if it does not work i will try the ussd widget.22:04
* Mousey goes off and prices n810's NIB.. if there are any left =(22:04
DrGrovmicrolith: you think I bought the N900 just to sell it after 6 months?22:05
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microlithDrGrov: you reminded me of all the whine posts on TMO22:05
DrGrovDo not get me wrong because of my rage towards the N900. I do consider it the best phone/tablet out there.22:05
DocScrutinizerStskeeps: USSD widget does not work for service codes. just tested it >:-((22:06
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microlithsuch rage is unhealthy, especially over a piece of consumer electronics22:06
DrGrovmicrolith: have you ever seen me whine about something that is unrelated?22:06
microlithI've seen too many whiners to care22:06
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DocScrutinizerDrGrov: it's definitle one of the most crappy phones I ever seen22:07
DrGrovDocScrutinizer: well, crappy can be defined in many ways. i kind of like it for my purposes.22:08
DocScrutinizerit seems the 3G chipset actually wasn't designed for phone usage originally22:08
DrGrovmicrolith: yeah, you do sound a bit naggy unfortunately.22:08
Stskeepssame cellmo as in other phones, go check the isi headers, has entries several years back22:09
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DrGrovPerhaps time to wait for a new better phone then...22:10
DrGrovNokia has really gotten worse over time22:11
Stskeepsn900's still a quite cheap developer device22:11
kerioDrGrov: nokia C2-0022:12
kerioepic phone22:12
keriowell, *two* epic phones22:12
Stskeepsi kinda hope meego on n900 might help some issues though22:12
DrGrovkerio: you got any links to show?22:12
kerioit's not out yet22:12
DrGrovStskeeps: i would love to see meego working well on n900.22:12
DrGrovkerio: ah yes, it is part of the new C-series phone that will replace the mid-range devices?22:12
kerioi think it replaces the low-end devices22:12
StskeepsDrGrov: we are even going with a open telephony stack, so its nice22:13
DrGrovStskeeps: YOU DO? :)22:13
StskeepsDrGrov: ofono, etc22:13
DrGrovStskeeps: gOd damn this makes me happy :)22:13
Stskeepsof course this doesnt mean the celluar software is open, but everything on linux side..22:13
DrGrovkerio: but the phone looks hideous22:14
keriohuh? looks nice to me22:14
kerioespecially the blue one22:14
DrGrovkerio: it surely does look like a child's toy22:14
StskeepsDrGrov: parts are already out, speech path, etc22:14
kerioDrGrov: needs more blinkenlights?22:14
DrGrovStskeeps: good good :) i do hope the phone capability will become good in a day-to-day environment.22:15
kerioit looks like a... phone22:15
StskeepsDrGrov: yeah, me too22:15
DrGrovkerio: no, the form factor i kind of like. i do have a 3120 classic i will donate to my father.22:15
DrGrovkerio: but one thing i find utterly hideous on the phone is actually nothing to do with the form factor.22:15
lcukDrGrov, which part of the phone is missing for you?  is it just the call forwarding?22:15
RZIs the only non nokia repository on N900?22:15
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kerioDrGrov: what, then?22:15
DrGrovlcuk: no, call forwarding is basically just a good minor thing to have around when needed. I would love to have something a bit more in it. I gotta think a few minutes to really let you know what it is. I am trying to figure out the word in English, I only think of it in in Swedish.22:17
DrGrovkerio: the button size would have to be bigger i think. surely i am young but i like my buttons bigger.22:18
keriothat's what she said!22:18
DrGrovkerio: and no real space between the buttons, feels everything is cluttered.22:18
DrGrovlcuk: now I have the word in English.22:19
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DrGrovlcuk: damn this, i do keep forgetting all the time. i should start writing down memo notes....22:20
lcukDrGrov, please do, constructive words are always requested and not taken lightly22:21
lcukStskeeps, the callui of meego22:21
DocScrutinizerbug #883022:21
povbotBug Dialer does not accept MMI codes (*#) from 3GPP TS 22.03022:21
lcukis it open, so people could theoretically replace the entire ux22:21
DrGrovlcuk: i try my best not to complain too much. i would like to phrase my ideas as more constructive but some things just make my blood boil.22:21
Stskeepslcuk, yes22:22
lcukDrGrov, yeah i just tend to bite tongue ;)22:22
lcuk:) Stskeeps22:22
Stskeepsas in meego rpm, harmattan prolly not22:22
DrGrovlcuk: i try to put in more Swedish snus in my upper lip to cool myself :)22:22
keriois there a way to enable global autorotation?22:22
lcukthen that calls for more debian patches on meego22:22
DocScrutinizerComment  #4 from Andre Klapper: So for the upcoming PR1.2 release Nokia implemented most of the stuff from TS 22.030  ---  I see, I see. MUHAHAHAH *sob*22:23
kerioDocScrutinizer: :(22:23
Stskeepsyou're not on 1.2, right?22:23
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Paulyhi, all.22:24
DocScrutinizerme? I am right now22:24
Paulygot my n900 to turn on.22:24
DocScrutinizerthat's why I rise this topic again22:24
DocScrutinizeroops, the easter egg22:25
DrGrovlcuk: One thing I was thinking about recently is that there should be some more nicer feature rich "Conversations" things... Not 100% sure how I mean but I am thinking more of deeper interaction with Conversations. Not just the widgets but more like a feel to the messaging.22:25
Paulyi cut the ac adapter and just connect the wires straight to the battery for couple mins, fixed the problem.22:25
DocScrutinizermissed the easter egg22:25
tybolltDocScrutinizer: easter egg? what where? do spill22:25
* ShadowJK wonders if same modem as in N900 is in CS-1522:26
StskeepsPauly: O_o22:26
lcukDrGrov, i often want to use accelerometer and vibe unit and be able to shake device on one side of world and have the other side respond22:26
keriohahaha wat22:26
povbotBug 8830: Dialer does not accept MMI codes (*#) from 3GPP TS 22.03022:26
lcukbut that would get abused for risque things and potentially void warranty22:26
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keriolcuk: remote handshake?22:27
kerio(physical handshake, i mean)22:27
DrGrovlcuk: perhaps not what I was thinking about but yes, that would be amazingly cool :)22:27
lcukkerio, remote interaction22:27
ShadowJKConsidering at the time, similar spec Nokia modems only appeared in CS-15 (which is a usb internet dongle)22:27
RZIs the the only non nokia repository on N900?22:27
lcukhowever or whatever you use it for22:27
tybollthmm there are too few "shake-to-control- apps for maemi22:27
Paulystskeeps: i drained n900 battery and it would'nt charge throught the micro-usb port so i went straight to the battery22:27
kerioRZ: mozilla has one for fennec22:27
lcukif you pat your device on the head22:27
lcukit shakes :)22:28
* lcuk nearly has prototype for something uber cool working22:28
mikki-kunPauly: isn't that risky? Ö.ö22:28
DrGrovlcuk: PM me. Got a cool idea for you since you like testing all kind of crazy things.22:29
lcukrz - theres potentially other repos for specific programs22:29
Paulyya but i didnt feel like waiting 3+ days for an extrnal battery charger22:29
lcukbut none that i know of with the scope or awesomeness of maemo.org22:29
keriohmm... i installed a build of chromium some time ago, that someone here made22:29
lcukDrGrov, ive got 3 days to submit a proposal for something22:30
keriowho was it and is there a newer version?22:30
DrGrovlcuk: so PM me now! :)22:30
lcukand i have to *know* it will work before i can finish it22:30
lcukso, no im not doing anything more :P22:30
DrGrovlcuk: I can not guarantee that it works but I am sure you can get a cool laugh out of it22:30
lcukDrGrov, shout publicly tho :P22:30
DrGrovokay, I will shout it out then22:30
DocScrutinizerPauly: congrats :-)22:30
DrGrovDamn this brain of mine!22:31
RZbut maemo has only one repo?22:31
DrGrovFuck it! I do not get my things together22:31
lcuklol DrGrov22:31
PaulyDocScrutinizer: thanks for the help, but the fail safe 32 min charge did nnot seem to charge phone at all.22:31
ShadowJKOauky: what happened when you connected charger to n900?22:32
RZI could swear there was at least one more. I might be mistaking.22:32
lcukrz, the older maemo devices suffered from fragmentation, and a repository aggregator called gronmayer exists22:33
DrGrovlcuk: How can I get another boot video except the Nokia hands?22:33
lcukwhich lists all the repos from back then, some may have n900 repos22:33
DrGrovlcuk: I want something a lot lot lot lot more ubersexier!22:33
kerioDrGrov: there's a way22:33
lcuksearch forums, theres many bootvideos22:33
keriosearch the wiki22:33
lcukand instructions for changing, i think theres even an app22:33
DocScrutinizerPauly: I told you it won't work with arbitrary random charger22:33
keriothere are some *really* cool premade boot videos22:33
DrGrovI do hope it is not too difficult to pull through since I do hate to work as root22:33
DrGrovI love to work as root on my desktop but not on the phone22:34
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Paulynow i am going to flash it, YAY!22:35
DrGrovkerio: thanks, gotta read it through first :D lol22:35
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DrGrovkerio: so what you are trying to say is that I can not fuck up my / on the N900 ?22:37
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kerioDrGrov: If you are so incompetent that you can't even handle using bash without typing rm -rf / every few commands, just stop reading here. Go back to the Ubuntu forums where all of your problems are packaged away for you in nice binaries because you can't even handle installing a program from source.22:38
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lcukkerio, if people have to resort to dropping to root because developers are being lazy then perhaps you should go back to windows22:39
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keriolcuk: always run as root! you'll grow a full beard!22:39
lcuki tried that22:39
ear0waxwhat the hell is going on22:39
lcukear0wax, i am letting off steam, kerio is growing a beard22:40
kerioi already have one!22:40
keriobecause i run as root! :D22:40
ear0waxI have a beard, Im bout to shave it off im tired of hair in my mouth22:40
DrGrovI had a real fully bush as a beard but I got sick and tired of it since I could not taste the real bush22:41
DrGrovI just kept tasting my own full bush22:41
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* microlith facepalm22:42
lcukDrGrov, congratulations, you win the award for stopping the chan22:42
DrGrovlcuk: Hell yeah!22:42
DrGrovI know I am the man!22:42
* DrGrov bows down in gratitude22:43
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DocScrutinizer is of 1999 an can be considered an absolute basic requirement for every User Equipment capable to do GSM (no matter if it's called a phone) - please vote for bug #8830 !22:48
povbotBug Dialer does not accept MMI codes (*#) from 3GPP TS 22.03022:48
DrGrovlcuk: I managed to do something right at least22:50
DocScrutinizeractually Nokia has implemented a complete set of compliant code handling in about every phone they ever built. I just can't see why they failed on N900, they just had to copy over from somewhere else22:51
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DocScrutinizerI mean, hell, even my year2000 6210 knew how to do each single one of those codes22:51
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luke-jrDocScrutinizer: because N900 isn't a phone22:53
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Appiahbut has a phone function..22:53
luke-jranyone know a way to default the phone app to SIP?22:54
DocScrutinizerluke-jr: that's no excuse. TS22.030 applies to User Equipment22:54
DocScrutinizerN900 *IS* a User Equipment for GSM22:54
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luke-jrmy N900 apparently just decided it isn't going on 2G/3G unless I select network manually...22:56
DocScrutinizerluke-jr: it has a Man Machine Interface to enter numbers, so MMI codes are mandatory according to TS22.03022:56
DocScrutinizerI'm not shy to ask 3GPP board about that issue22:57
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DocScrutinizerThe supplementary services shall be controlled in accordance with the procedures described below. All User Equipment22:59
DocScrutinizerwith MMI shall be able to be controlled in this way, to minimize the confusion of users using different types of User22:59
DocScrutinizerEquipment (quite likely, due to the use of the SIM IC card) and to permit the introduction by a PLMN operator of new22:59
DocScrutinizersupplementary services, not defined at the time of the design of a User Equipment. These procedures are based on those22:59
DocScrutinizerrecommended by ETSI/HF and ITU-T Recommendation E.131.22:59
luke-jrI can't manually select AT&T22:59
luke-jrshouldn't N900 let me connect to roam?23:00
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DocScrutinizerNota bene: TS22.030 does NOT specify a comprehensive set of codes to support, but instead specifies a way for UE to handle MMI that were ""not defined at the time of the design of a User Equipment"". So I really don't get what Nokia is doing there, with just supporting one or 2 out of the whole range of possible codes. Quite obviously the interpretation of a code's semantics is not in the domain of the dialer, nor is it the domain of the23:05
DocScrutinizermodem firmware23:05
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DocScrutinizersmells like someone implemented multiplication by a hardcoded 1x1 lookup table, rather than an algorithm23:07
kerioDocScrutinizer: where?23:07
kerioand lookup tables are awesome23:08
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DocScrutinizerfo MMI (that was a metaphor, maybe not a very good one)23:08
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Venemohey guys.23:10
rohit2Hello,, I have an application written in javascript.. is there any way to port this application on maemo??23:10
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alteregorohit2: run it in the browser?23:12
VenemoI seek for some advice for my Sticky Notes app.23:15
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rohit2actually then it won't suit the UI requirements for phone.. also I want to develop a save feature for the app.. my app can't setup database through a browser//23:16
VenemoFrom a usability standpoint, would it do any good to have an option to change the font or the text colour for selected text inside a note?23:17
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SpeedEvilIt actually can save rohit223:17
SpeedEvil for example - sort of works on n900, and can locally save.23:17
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povbotBug 6591: Javascript security settings do not persist (
SpeedEvilis annoying23:19
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SpeedEvilVenemo: is this the sticky notes app with three (?) icons at the top to do stuff?23:20
SpeedEvilAnd a semitransparent note on the desktop?23:21
kerioVenemo: hmm23:21
kerioi say useless23:22
VenemoSpeedEvil: yeah. but they are on the bottom23:22
keriofuck rich text23:22
SpeedEvilI think the ability to pop between a big and a small font might have plusses23:22
Venemowell, some sort of rich text will be definitely there, as it is a popular feature request.23:23
Venemoso: bold, italic, underline, strike-through for selected texts will be there23:23
luke-jrany simple way to dump the boot log to a file?23:24
luke-jrI tried prepending /sbin/preinit with exec >/bootlog 2>&123:24
luke-jrbut apparently that doesn't cover everything23:24
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DocScrutinizerDrGrov: for your reference, when you're going ass-kicking23:33
povbotBug 8830: Dialer does not accept MMI codes (*#) from 3GPP TS 22.03023:33
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ZogGMohammadAG51, hey23:34
ZogGDocScrutinizer, hey23:35
DocScrutinizerluke-jr: obviously it wont cover exe calls that do their own redirecting of stdout/stderr23:35
luke-jrDocScrutinizer: yeah, but stuff still goes to console...23:35
ZogGDocScrutinizer, i know you and MohammadAG51 are very close, both your nations hate mine. and you talk with him a lot... i wanted to ask you to say hello from me and that i miss him23:36
DrGrovDocScrutinizer: I will read that through.23:36
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luke-jrI think I just broke my rootfs :(23:36
alteregoUh-oh ...23:36
DocScrutinizerZogG: dunno what 'my nation' does. Be assured it's not even close to what I do23:36
ZogGDocScrutinizer, but you do hate me =)23:37
ZogGluke-jr, what you mean broke, like disk itslef or just os?23:37
DocScrutinizernot really. I may think about that once more though :-P23:37
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luke-jrZogG: I did a bad change to /sbin/preinit23:37
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DocScrutinizerZogG: I miss MohammadAG51 as well23:38
luke-jrany ideas to recover, other than reflashing?23:38
ZogGluke-jr can't boot at all?23:38
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DrGrovDocScrutinizer: It seems like a huge problem.23:38
ZogGluke-jr, so you can't =))23:38
DocScrutinizerZogG: maybe his card elapsed a 4 digits debit for roaming abroad meanwhile23:38
DrGrovDocScrutinizer: I wonder if it is right that I call Nokia Care and yell there or should I try to yell even higher?23:38
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ZogGDocScrutinizer, or he dombed himself )23:39
ZogGDrGrov, what problem do you have?23:39
DrGrovZogG: this one,
povbotBug 8830: Dialer does not accept MMI codes (*#) from 3GPP TS 22.03023:39
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luke-jrI have a /sbin/preinit.orig backup...23:39
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DocScrutinizerDrGrov: wondering myself what to do about it23:40
ZogGDocScrutinizer, figured out with meego acc?23:40
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DocScrutinizerthe 8830 MMI shit? nope23:40
DrGrovDocScrutinizer: Perhaps a joint e-mail to send ?23:41
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DocScrutinizerbut as the bug seems to sit in modem firmware, I don't expect any better results with meego whatsoever23:41
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DocScrutinizerDrGrov: maybe talk to 'the council' - though not even they seem to have voice, see MyNokia SMS issue23:42
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ZogGDocScrutinizer, i hope they work on driver as well and than gave them to maemo too =)23:42
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luke-jranyone here managed to build a kernel for N900 that can boot PR1.2?23:43
trip0kernel-power works23:44
luke-jrI need someone who can build it ;023:44
luke-jrso they can make me a version w/ a custom cmdline23:44
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SpeedEvilyou know you can supply a cmdline wiht the flasher?23:46
luke-jrSpeedEvil: that didn't work on N810, and doesn't appear to on N900 either23:46
Stskeepsit works on n90023:47
luke-jrmaybe a Flasher 3.0 bug then :/23:47
luke-jrStskeeps: can you build PR1.2 kernels? :)23:47
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Stskeepsluke-jr: no, too sleepy23:48
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