| luke-jr | also, if I wanted more bandwidth, I'd implement parallel queries | 00:00 |
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| luke-jr | my protocol supports up to 255 concurrent queries ;) | 00:00 |
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| luke-jr | (though neither server nor client implementation) | 00:01 |
| luke-jr | and up to 254 channels/connections I might add | 00:02 |
| luke-jr | on the server | 00:02 |
| kerio | how much overhead do you have? | 00:03 |
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| kerio | also, how are you tunneling the connection? | 00:03 |
| luke-jr | DNS | 00:03 |
| luke-jr | overhead can vary | 00:04 |
| luke-jr | upload has a lot of overhead | 00:04 |
| luke-jr | download is about 2x I think | 00:04 |
| kerio | a SOCKS proxy? | 00:04 |
| luke-jr | ... | 00:04 |
| luke-jr | no | 00:04 |
| kerio | i meant | 00:04 |
| kerio | client-side | 00:04 |
| kerio | how are you forwarding a TCP connection through your program | 00:04 |
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| luke-jr | ssh -o ProxyCommand mycode.pl -C -L 5900:localhost:5900 dnstunnel | 00:05 |
| luke-jr | SSH adds encryption and compression | 00:06 |
| luke-jr | :) | 00:06 |
| kerio | i see | 00:06 |
| kerio | hmm, what does ssh expect from the proxycommand? | 00:06 |
| luke-jr | a command | 00:07 |
| kerio | i know | 00:07 |
| kerio | but what's the command supposed to do | 00:07 |
| luke-jr | SSH uses its stdin/stdout as if it were the TCP socket | 00:07 |
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| kerio | cool | 00:07 |
| kerio | (so the hostname is just bogus?) | 00:07 |
| luke-jr | yeah :) | 00:07 |
| luke-jr | ssh -o ProxyCommand "mycode.pl %h" -C -L 5900:localhost:5900 remotehost.com | 00:07 |
| kerio | use the builtin SOCKS proxy | 00:07 |
| luke-jr | that's another possibility | 00:07 |
| SpeedEvil | how do you get ssh to connect to a device - say - /dev/ttyS0 | 00:07 |
| SpeedEvil | for example | 00:08 |
| luke-jr | SSH has tun/tap VPN now | 00:08 |
| SpeedEvil | and the remote end just act like it was a local device | 00:08 |
| luke-jr | SpeedEvil: -o ProxyCommand 'socat stdio: ???:/dev/ttyS0' | 00:08 |
| luke-jr | nfc on server end :) | 00:08 |
| SpeedEvil | trying to connect ppp over ssh to a remote device | 00:08 |
| kerio | do ssh over ppp | 00:08 |
| kerio | *way* easier | 00:08 |
| kerio | :) | 00:08 |
| luke-jr | kerio: I couldn't get PPP to work earlier | 00:09 |
| kerio | ppp over ssh over ppp! | 00:09 |
| luke-jr | but that was before I fixed the MTU issue | 00:09 |
| kerio | and then ssh and ppp a couple more times | 00:09 |
| SpeedEvil | kerio: don't have easy control of ppp on the other side | 00:09 |
| luke-jr | (when I was uploading a lot, downloading a lot pushed the packet size too far) | 00:09 |
| kerio | there's a client command to run a ppp end | 00:09 |
| luke-jr | if I were going to use it, I'd set it up on my router spawning PPPd on LAN bridge :) | 00:10 |
| luke-jr | yeah | 00:10 |
| luke-jr | I think it was the MTU issue that broke PP | 00:10 |
| luke-jr | PPP | 00:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | my carro | 00:10 |
| nextime | is it openvpn too easy to use? | 00:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer | my carrier sent an email excusing for him messing up the MTU recently | 00:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer | so it wasn't my machine, which was happy ever before with MTU 1500 | 00:11 |
| Jaffa | GAN900: I'm done. Everything's basically fleshed out. I CBA to go on a news hunt; but feel free :-) | 00:11 |
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| luke-jr | nextime: OpenVPN requires data service | 00:13 |
| nextime | luke-jr : and doing ppp over ssh doesn't? | 00:14 |
| luke-jr | nextime: doing PPP over my-script doesn't. | 00:14 |
| nextime | luke-jr : what your script do? | 00:15 |
| luke-jr | nextime: tunnels a stream over DNS | 00:15 |
| nextime | luke-jr : ah, ok | 00:15 |
| nextime | i was using iodine as dns tunnel long time ago | 00:16 |
| GAN900 | Jaffa, will do. | 00:16 |
| nextime | no more need for luck | 00:16 |
| GAN900 | Jaffa, at the end of a very stressful Rays game here. | 00:16 |
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| GAN900 | Whew, thank goodness that's over. | 00:18 |
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| luke-jr | gah, wish I learned about iodine earlier | 00:23 |
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| kerio | iodine? | 00:26 |
| luke-jr | kerio: basicalyl what my script does | 00:26 |
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| luke-jr | but better | 00:26 |
| luke-jr | assuming T-Mobile doesn't filter it | 00:26 |
| kerio | oh, not the halogen | 00:27 |
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| Macer | what's the best way to measure disk io in debian? | 00:28 |
| SpeedEvil | iotop? | 00:28 |
| Macer | there's an iotop? :) | 00:29 |
| luke-jr | N900's stock kernel lacks the config it requires | 00:29 |
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| SpeedEvil | http://guichaz.free.fr/iotop/ | 00:29 |
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| lauri | http://v6sa.wordpress.com/2010/07/11/transifex-mobile-in-maemo-extras/ | 00:32 |
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| Macer | \ 9991\ mace\ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ 0.21\ M/s\ \ \ \ 0.37\ M/s\ \ 0.00\ \%\ 13.21\ \%\ rtorrent\ \ \ \ | 00:33 |
| Macer | wtf | 00:33 |
| Macer | 9991 mace 0.21 M/s 0.37 M/s 0.00 % 13.21 % rtorrent | 00:34 |
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| Macer | hah! osx has escaped text in term? :) | 00:34 |
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| GAN900 | My N900's slide keeps drifting south | 01:14 |
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| FreeWolF | hello | 01:19 |
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| FreeWolF | can i do some questions about n900 and maemo ? | 01:19 |
| cehteh | luke-jr: there is a single connection dns tunnel which performs better than iodyne .. when you get your vpn tunneled thats all you need | 01:20 |
| FreeWolF | ok, some stupid questions: can i use the n900 in vertical mode witout problem ? the last firmware contains optimizations for vertical mode ? | 01:22 |
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| cehteh | only for some applications and of course slideout keyboard makes no sense vertically | 01:23 |
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| luke-jr | cehteh: link | 01:24 |
| cehteh | dunno i think its called 'dnstunnel' | 01:24 |
| FreeWolF | ok | 01:25 |
| FreeWolF | thank you | 01:25 |
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| cehteh | a friend told me after i installed iodine, but i didnt set that up yet | 01:25 |
| cehteh | btw you want a short domainname to optimize dns tunneling :) | 01:25 |
| cehteh | and you dont want to look at the inner workings (waargs :)) | 01:26 |
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| luke-jr | cehteh: looks basically like what I wrote | 01:28 |
| cehteh | i dont know what you wrote, but someone told me that this dnstunnel has much better performance than iodine (and nstx) | 01:28 |
| cehteh | but you prolly need a openvpn or ssh tunnel over it anyways | 01:29 |
| luke-jr | it's called OzymanDNS FWIW | 01:29 |
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| luke-jr | cehteh: and T-Mobile would block it | 01:30 |
| luke-jr | since it uses TXT records | 01:30 |
| cehteh | no fallback to name queries? | 01:30 |
| luke-jr | didn't read the code, just the site :) | 01:31 |
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| luke-jr | iodine says it uses NULL records, which I dont' know anything about and haven't tested | 01:31 |
| cehteh | dns2tcp - TCP over DNS tunnel client and server | 01:31 |
| luke-jr | my script uses AAAA records | 01:31 |
| cehteh | thats it, not ozymandns | 01:31 |
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| cehteh | http://www.hsc.fr/ressources/outils/dns2tcp/download/README | 01:33 |
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| luke-jr | olol | 02:25 |
| luke-jr | T-Mobile allows *all* port 53 UDP without data svc... | 02:25 |
| luke-jr | screw DNS, just run OpenVPN on port 53.. | 02:26 |
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| raster | moo | 02:28 |
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| luke-jr | or not | 02:29 |
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| SpeedEvil | Is there not a data usage cost without a data plan - that they're just not enforcing? | 02:31 |
| luke-jr | SpeedEvil: well, I'm testing without any form of service, so... | 02:31 |
| asj | SpeedEvil: t-mobile charges $1/day for data on pay-go and I presume luke-jr can't afford or ojbects to the charging for internet | 02:33 |
| luke-jr | asj: nah, I'm just playing before I get service and it's too easy | 02:33 |
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| MohammadAG51 | #NITUbuntu for anyone interested in ubuntu on the N900 | 03:21 |
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| SpeedEvil | Come back when you can do slackware. | 03:29 |
| MohammadAG51 | hehe | 03:34 |
| mortini | pft. Haiku! | 03:35 |
| pupnik_ | hey maemo | 03:38 |
| pupnik_ | hows palestine mortini | 03:39 |
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| pupnik_ | MohammadAG51: | 03:39 |
| mortini | pupnik_: eh? | 03:39 |
| pupnik_ | perfectly relevant | 03:39 |
| pupnik_ | property rights | 03:39 |
| pupnik_ | assume MohammadAG51 creates a great program | 03:40 |
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| pupnik_ | is the israeli government entitled to steal it and make it their own? | 03:40 |
| luke-jr | ... | 03:40 |
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| pupnik_ | no of course they are not | 03:41 |
| luke-jr | programs aren't property | 03:41 |
| pupnik_ | and the israeli government isn't entitled to steal property from palestinians | 03:41 |
| luke-jr | pupnik_: there is no israeli government then :) | 03:41 |
| pupnik_ | right luke-jr | 03:41 |
| MohammadAG51 | lolwut | 03:41 |
| pupnik_ | now | 03:41 |
| MohammadAG51 | what does the government have to do with... | 03:41 |
| MohammadAG51 | nvm | 03:42 |
| mortini | MohammadAG51: trolling, perhaps? idk. | 03:42 |
| pupnik_ | should the US fbi SHUT DOWN all investigations of israeli spies? | 03:42 |
| pupnik_ | your opinion MohammadAG51 ? | 03:42 |
| luke-jr | why not just lynch them on sight? | 03:42 |
| pupnik_ | oh wait | 03:42 |
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| MohammadAG51 | my opinion is... | 03:42 |
| MohammadAG51 | wtf | 03:43 |
| luke-jr | MohammadAG51: irrelevant | 03:43 |
| luke-jr | :) | 03:43 |
| pupnik_ | should israeli realaudio insert trojans into all our computers? | 03:43 |
| MohammadAG51 | i can see that | 03:43 |
| pupnik_ | should israeli intel CHIPSETS insert trojans into all our computers? | 03:43 |
| pupnik_ | should israelis monitor the white house? | 03:43 |
| * MohammadAG51 passes the sleeping pills to pupnik_ | 03:43 | |
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| pupnik_ | free software is the enemy of governments MohammadAG51 | 03:44 |
| pupnik_ | this is our domain | 03:44 |
| pupnik_ | this is maemo | 03:44 |
| luke-jr | no | 03:44 |
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| luke-jr | pupnik_ is the enemy of governments | 03:44 |
| luke-jr | :) | 03:44 |
| pupnik_ | think, luke-jr | 03:44 |
| pupnik_ | should assholes spy on you luke-jr ? | 03:44 |
| luke-jr | I'll think about it, pupnik_... | 03:44 |
| pupnik_ | isn't that what we are about? | 03:45 |
| luke-jr | pupnik_: no, those don't have any senses to spy with | 03:45 |
| luke-jr | eyes perhaps | 03:45 |
| luke-jr | or ears | 03:45 |
| pupnik_ | preventing cock suckers from spying on our computers? | 03:45 |
| luke-jr | so no women? | 03:45 |
| pupnik_ | you are dirt, luke-jr | 03:45 |
| pupnik_ | ignored | 03:45 |
| luke-jr | lol | 03:45 |
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| MohammadAG51 | can we stop with the shitty politics? | 03:46 |
| pupnik_ | no | 03:46 |
| pupnik_ | it is part of open-source MohammadAG51 | 03:47 |
| pupnik_ | freedom to decide what happens on your computer | 03:47 |
| MohammadAG51 | maemo isn't that open, take it to #meego | 03:47 |
| luke-jr | LOL | 03:47 |
| pupnik_ | no this is part of our culture | 03:47 |
| * MohammadAG51 laughs diabolically | 03:47 | |
| pupnik_ | fuckheads get embarassed publically | 03:48 |
| asj | pupnik_: no it's not, #maemo culture revolves around complaining about Nokia | 03:48 |
| MohammadAG51 | right | 03:48 |
| pupnik_ | any asshole who wants to control your computer is an evil fuck | 03:48 |
| MohammadAG51 | who the fuck wants to control my computer | 03:48 |
| psycho_oreos | there's plenty of them | 03:48 |
| MohammadAG51 | you're a paranoid pupnik_ :P | 03:48 |
| pupnik_ | i'm an american MohammadAG51 | 03:49 |
| pupnik_ | i have more leeway than you do | 03:49 |
| MohammadAG51 | is that synonymous nowadays? | 03:49 |
| pupnik_ | i'm going to die in a few years, i don't care | 03:49 |
| MohammadAG51 | leeway eh? *takes out a dictionary* | 03:49 |
| MohammadAG51 | :/ | 03:49 |
| lcuk | pupnik_, so how would you design a cpu subsystem that was provably clean and open | 03:50 |
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| pupnik_ | lcuk: that's an old debate.. | 03:51 |
| pupnik_ | but this intel in israel shit is really bad | 03:51 |
| pupnik_ | they may really have created hardware trojans | 03:51 |
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| pupnik_ | and the history supports it | 03:51 |
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| MohammadAG51 | uhuh | 03:51 |
| pupnik_ | hey SpeedEvil | 03:52 |
| SpeedEvil | hu | 03:52 |
| pupnik_ | just talking about israeli trojans | 03:52 |
| pupnik_ | you know | 03:52 |
| pupnik_ | uss LIBERTY | 03:52 |
| SpeedEvil | They make condoms? | 03:52 |
| pupnik_ | no they're stupid fuckheads | 03:53 |
| pupnik_ | but they survive on people being to shy to talk about their crime syndicate | 03:53 |
| pupnik_ | bronfman | 03:53 |
| lcuk | oh pupnik_ :( go lie down, i know i am | 03:54 |
| pupnik_ | open source is an enemy to this shit | 03:54 |
| pupnik_ | lcuk: transparency | 03:54 |
| pupnik_ | we are | 03:54 |
| pupnik_ | the heroes | 03:54 |
| pupnik_ | of the world | 03:54 |
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| pupnik_ | check out the israeli-intel connection lcuk | 03:56 |
| pupnik_ | chipsets | 03:56 |
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| lcuk | pupnik_, people have freedom of choice. you can use chips from different manufacturers - maemo is specifically arm at this time. if you are going to moan and be ractist please do follow MohammadAG51's advice and take it elsewhere | 03:59 |
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| pupnik_ | no lcuk it's a conspiracy | 03:59 |
| luke-jr | ... | 03:59 |
| luke-jr | he said nothing racist | 03:59 |
| pupnik_ | sorry, but look | 03:59 |
| pupnik_ | jane harmann | 03:59 |
| pupnik_ | you are not looking | 03:59 |
| pupnik_ | freedom is absence of asshole fucktards deciding what we can type | 04:00 |
| pupnik_ | that is the very core goal of our movement | 04:00 |
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| pupnik_ | and shit heads may deserve violent negation | 04:01 |
| pupnik_ | that's live lcuk | 04:01 |
| pupnik_ | some people must be stopped | 04:02 |
| ljp | and this has to do with maemo... how? | 04:02 |
| pupnik_ | in innumerable ways ljp, you dear child | 04:02 |
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| pupnik_ | all we do is corrupted by the shitheads in politics | 04:03 |
| ljp | sure thing, giant beer | 04:03 |
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| pupnik_ | you don't do anything good, unless you work for the good, lcuk | 04:06 |
| smackpotato | i was having some trouble downloading the diablo sdk wget couldnt find the repository | 04:06 |
| pupnik_ | and these mother fuckers | 04:07 |
| pupnik_ | who kill millions in iraq | 04:07 |
| pupnik_ | if any of you shitheads supports that | 04:07 |
| pupnik_ | i'll be angry | 04:07 |
| pupnik_ | you cheerleaders of genocide | 04:08 |
| smackpotato | otherwize im making headway in my quest to overclock the n80 | 04:08 |
| pupnik_ | toys don't matter | 04:08 |
| pupnik_ | i will be angry with you... show your support for genocide | 04:08 |
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| smackpotato | raw raw | 04:08 |
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| smackpotato | so is there anyone here interested in overclocking the n810 | 04:11 |
| smackpotato | does anyone still own the n810 | 04:11 |
| luke-jr | ... | 04:11 |
| luke-jr | overclocking is just stupid in general, let alone on something old | 04:12 |
| lcuk | smackpotato, awesome idea! when diablo came out, the n800 got an effective overclock from old top cpu of 340mhz to 400. | 04:12 |
| lcuk | (i assume now every single n8x0 is out of warranty ;) | 04:13 |
| smackpotato | wellthere is a guy that wrote some novel code that overclocked a milestone it is very interesting | 04:13 |
| pupnik_ | well why didn't you smash me in the face and steal my n810 lcuk ? | 04:13 |
| lcuk | cos ive got 2 of my own | 04:14 |
| lcuk | and yours has awesome scratches | 04:14 |
| pupnik_ | nah, caue you are a moral person | 04:14 |
| pupnik_ | that is our duty | 04:14 |
| smackpotato | i have a 770 an n810 and a storefront display on an n 800 | 04:15 |
| pupnik_ | to be good people | 04:15 |
| pupnik_ | or at least to try | 04:15 |
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| pupnik_ | the whole fucking point is to be open source | 04:20 |
| pupnik_ | you dumb asses | 04:20 |
| pupnik_ | to eliminate tyrant control over our lives | 04:21 |
| pupnik_ | if nokia wants to help, nice | 04:21 |
| smackpotato | to overclock there are two structures that are required to be hacked one is frequency table the other is the lookup table that maps frequncys to voltage | 04:22 |
| smackpotato | the other got them from a function that is exported by the omap kernel | 04:23 |
| pupnik_ | i'm tired of you fuckheads | 04:23 |
| pupnik_ | maemo is now a place where everyone understsnads tyranny | 04:24 |
| pupnik_ | and freedom | 04:24 |
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| derf | We love you, too, pupnik_. | 04:25 |
| smackpotato | but i think i got them from cpufreq_cpu_get and omap2_scale_voltage | 04:25 |
| pupnik_ | derf: i rspect your work. but you have some stuff to atone for | 04:25 |
| pupnik_ | you worked for the US war department | 04:26 |
| smackpotato | so i need the sdk to check it out | 04:26 |
| pupnik_ | the genocidal idiots | 04:26 |
| pupnik_ | kkiling hundreds of thousands of people | 04:26 |
| pupnik_ | this is also relevant to maemo | 04:26 |
| pupnik_ | we must oppose mass murder | 04:27 |
| pupnik_ | while we build nice toys | 04:27 |
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| * ptl agrees, even if pupnik_ is using irony. | 04:28 | |
| smackpotato | I used to be altruistic but then i needed a liver so i started praying for people to die | 04:28 |
| derf | I'm pretty sure he's sincere. | 04:28 |
| derf | He's been singing this tune for 4 years. | 04:28 |
| smackpotato | i imagin my dad had the same feeling when at war | 04:29 |
| pupnik_ | the temptation to use ammonium nitrate or vaious poisons is .. well... it's there | 04:29 |
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| pupnik_ | man, the hate | 04:31 |
| pupnik_ | you guys seen 'collateral damage'? | 04:32 |
| pupnik_ | i'll fuckin ruin the happyness of this channel over that | 04:32 |
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| derf | Well, I said I loved you, and you accused me of participating in genocide. | 04:33 |
| pupnik_ | vague memory derf | 04:33 |
| pupnik_ | i think you were pro -blow them to allah- | 04:33 |
| Termana | Someone smack me across the chops | 04:33 |
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| derf | You are very wrong. | 04:33 |
| pupnik_ | oh sorry | 04:34 |
| pupnik_ | i really suffer for this crap | 04:34 |
| smackpotato | why ter... | 04:34 |
| pupnik_ | look, economically, the USA will not be able to produce goods | 04:35 |
| pupnik_ | they WILL become a gangster state | 04:35 |
| pupnik_ | threatening the rest of the world | 04:35 |
| pupnik_ | and that affects everything we do | 04:35 |
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| pupnik_ | so base your career on that prediction | 04:36 |
| pupnik_ | dumb, stupid, idiot americans,..... with nukes | 04:36 |
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| smackpotato | ok another question is it easy to convert a make file that was to be used in a cross compiler to one that is to be used in the sdk | 04:39 |
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| smackpotato | has maemo lost all its fans to android | 04:41 |
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| psycho_oreos | doubt it | 04:42 |
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| smackpotato | how come the is little chatter at maemo.develop | 04:43 |
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| smackpotato | the+ there | 04:44 |
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| psycho_oreos | probably different timezones and all, I think most of the work are now aiming towards meego now | 04:46 |
| smackpotato | ok ill buy a mego tablet | 04:47 |
| smackpotato | with an a9 proccessor | 04:48 |
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| udntnome | smackpotato: why not a iphone. | 04:49 |
| smackpotato | there does'nt apear to be mego chanell | 04:50 |
| smackpotato | my "tricked out" n810 beats an iphone anyday | 04:50 |
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| smackpotato | why an iphone | 04:51 |
| psycho_oreos | iphail | 04:51 |
| smackpotato | lol | 04:52 |
| psycho_oreos | look at me! I have a shitty iphail! | 04:52 |
| psycho_oreos | :p | 04:52 |
| smackpotato | i like my n810 more than an ipad so much more lighter | 04:53 |
| udntnome | the meego tablet looks nice! | 04:53 |
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| smackpotato | is it coming out on arm or x86 | 04:54 |
| psycho_oreos | I like n900, it has both phone and linux in one, too bad it isn't perfect software-wise but I can forgive that the software gives me unfettered access to its resources | 04:54 |
| udntnome | idk but since they are working with intel, id assume x86? | 04:54 |
| smackpotato | ah two es in mego | 04:54 |
| udntnome | psycho_oreos: whats wrong with the software? | 04:55 |
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| psycho_oreos | its going to be x86 because intel I believe sold off their arm branch.. however meego may also be available for n900 with hacks, the prototype of meego runs on arm base | 04:55 |
| smackpotato | ok | 04:55 |
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| psycho_oreos | udntnome, on the GUI side is kinda where it's a bit shoddy, like the lack of portrait mode, the lack of advanced user features like easy installing deb files without going into shell/terminal, the onscreen keyboard is a bit too big, etc | 04:56 |
| smackpotato | I d rather have my n810 than an apple air | 04:57 |
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| psycho_oreos | and n900 is equipped with a puny battery, smaller than its predecessors | 04:57 |
| smackpotato | is it wow what made them do that | 04:58 |
| psycho_oreos | I'd rather a proper linux device compared to any iphail | 04:58 |
| udntnome | the battery i can agree with | 04:59 |
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| psycho_oreos | udntnome, apart from that I'm not really hating n900, overall its a nice hardware and software is mostly ok, what's best of all is that its not like android where its not easy to get into root without hacks.. along with dualbooting (supposedly I've heard nexus one is the only phone that has unlocked bootloader) | 05:00 |
| udntnome | considering the ad galore on the iphone/andriod apps, there is nothing else thats really better | 05:00 |
| psycho_oreos | heck no, I would never want a phone that would tell me what to do and what not to do.. I've been there and done that with shitian, I mean symbian.. never again | 05:01 |
| smackpotato | spam spam spam spam | 05:01 |
| * GeneralAntilles tries not to editorialize too much. | 05:04 | |
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| udntnome | plus i dislike ATT! | 05:04 |
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| psycho_oreos | ATT? you meant AT&T? ahh I don't live in the stateside so I wouldn't know :) | 05:05 |
| smackpotato | i live across the stream as well | 05:05 |
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| Termana | smackpotato, re: question you asked in #meego - Diablo as in Maemo, or Diablo as in the game? | 05:07 |
| smackpotato | the os | 05:07 |
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| psycho_oreos | diablo is like maemo 4.1 I think.. its for N810? *shrugs* | 05:07 |
| smackpotato | maemo | 05:07 |
| Termana | smackpotato, right, I've got it on my n810, nostalgic fan isn't the word I would use, but its there. Why did you want to know if there was any fans of it? :P | 05:08 |
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| smackpotato | just trying to follow an overclocking site and wondering if there was any interest | 05:09 |
| Termana | in overclocking the n8x0? | 05:09 |
| smackpotato | ya | 05:10 |
| smackpotato | the site is on the milestone its milestone-overclock on google code | 05:10 |
| Termana | I think someone tried it in the past, and anything past what was already there didn't work | 05:11 |
| smackpotato | but this guy has a novel aproch | 05:11 |
| Termana | The Milestone is a whole different beast to the n8x0. The Milestone uses OMAP3430, the same as the n900. The N8x0 is OMAP2..something (can't remember exact model) | 05:11 |
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| smackpotato | right so the main problem is he gets some adresses from a function that isnt exported in diablo | 05:13 |
| smackpotato | there are two structures that have to be hacked | 05:13 |
| smackpotato | i think we can get the adresses fom different functions | 05:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | Any big news items that I might've missed this past week any of you would like to see included in MWKN? | 05:15 |
| smackpotato | anyway he did it with a lkm not compiling a whole kernel | 05:15 |
| smackpotato | not that ive ever compiled a kernel | 05:17 |
| smackpotato | http://code.google.com/p/milestone-overclock/ | 05:21 |
| tripzero | MWKN? | 05:22 |
| smackpotato | dido | 05:22 |
| Termana | MWKN.. Maemo Weekly News | 05:22 |
| Termana | mwkn.net | 05:23 |
| Termana | Or should I say, Maemo Wee Kly News | 05:23 |
| tripzero | news for me is, meego apps still don't work :( | 05:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | M(eeGo)aemo these days. | 05:24 |
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| pupnik_ | oh lolltards | 05:28 |
| pupnik_ | GeneralAntilles: they followed the hijackers | 05:28 |
| pupnik_ | they knew it was going to happen | 05:29 |
| pupnik_ | they were enablers, GeneralAntilles | 05:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | pupnik_, context? | 05:29 |
| pupnik_ | 9/11 | 05:29 |
| pupnik_ | mossad made it happen | 05:29 |
| Termana | Here we go, 9/11 theories. | 05:29 |
| pupnik_ | loltards | 05:29 |
| pupnik_ | i have researched it | 05:30 |
| asj | GeneralAntilles: he's been ranting and raving all morning about politics, just trolling | 05:30 |
| Termana | GeneralAntilles, you know what I smell? | 05:30 |
| pupnik_ | i am pupnik, i draw the threads together | 05:30 |
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| Termana | GeneralAntilles, can you smell it too? | 05:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | pupnik_, go sleep it off. :P | 05:30 |
| pupnik_ | don't be stupid | 05:30 |
| pupnik_ | it is so funny | 05:31 |
| pupnik_ | i want people to lol | 05:31 |
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| pupnik_ | look at other things | 05:32 |
| Termana | Will the real pupnik please stand up, please stand up? | 05:32 |
| pupnik_ | Termana: why do we support free software | 05:32 |
| pupnik_ | so some shithead doesn't own our information | 05:33 |
| pupnik_ | that is the point of linux | 05:34 |
| pupnik_ | that is the point of foss | 05:34 |
| pupnik_ | that is the point of meamo | 05:34 |
| Termana | pupnik_, Maybe if you made you point, I don't see whats funny yet | 05:34 |
| Termana | your point* | 05:34 |
| pupnik_ | nothing funny, cock-sucker | 05:34 |
| Termana | Where is Maemo making it so someone owns out information? | 05:34 |
| Termana | our* | 05:35 |
| pupnik_ | go be gay elsewhere | 05:35 |
| pupnik_ | nice pooper action is to be had elsewhere | 05:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | pupnik_, dude, lay off. | 05:36 |
| Termana | Yes, that is certainly how you discuss topics in a mature manner. | 05:36 |
| pupnik_ | freedom is important | 05:36 |
| pupnik_ | but i should stop with the insultsw | 05:36 |
| pupnik_ | Jane harman | 05:37 |
| pupnik_ | google that cunt | 05:37 |
| pupnik_ | look GeneralAntilles dumbass | 05:38 |
| pupnik_ | how do you focus on toys | 05:38 |
| pupnik_ | when some fucktards start a nuclear war | 05:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | Sssh, I'm finishing editorializing the news. | 05:38 |
| pupnik_ | when the nukes fly | 05:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | Radioactive zombies? I'm in. :P | 05:39 |
| pupnik_ | i'll fuckin punch your face | 05:39 |
| pupnik_ | cause of your dumbassistan | 05:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | OK, can we go bar hopping after? | 05:39 |
| pupnik_ | all this politics crap screws our good work | 05:40 |
| pupnik_ | we have to all oppose it | 05:40 |
| pupnik_ | it DIRECTLY affects maemo and meego | 05:41 |
| pupnik_ | what those SHITHEADS do in Washingon D C | 05:41 |
| pupnik_ | they are idiots | 05:41 |
| pupnik_ | they are stupid | 05:42 |
| pupnik_ | they are evil | 05:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | don't have to convince me. | 05:42 |
| pupnik_ | well ok | 05:43 |
| pupnik_ | we're al on the same page then | 05:43 |
| luke-jr | he's STILL trolling? | 05:43 |
| pupnik_ | ask til harbaum what he thinks | 05:44 |
| smackpotato | http://code.google.com/p/milestone-overclock/wiki/Disassembly | 05:44 |
| pupnik_ | see "collateral muder" from wikileaks | 05:44 |
| pupnik_ | free software is inherently opposed to the empire | 05:48 |
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| SpeedEvil | pupnik. While many of us don't in principle disagree with this - it's perhaps not the ideal venue. | 05:49 |
| pupnik_ | isn't it? | 05:49 |
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| pupnik_ | the whole fucking point is to be able to communicate | 05:50 |
| pupnik_ | without control | 05:50 |
| pupnik_ | get it? | 05:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | pupnik_, that's why we have different channels. Each with their own topic. | 05:52 |
| SpeedEvil | I fundamentally disagree. | 05:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | #maemo's isn't currently politics. :P | 05:52 |
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| SpeedEvil | Many useful discussion forums (not the internet sort) have been utterly destroyed by excessive off-topic content. | 05:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://www.me.uk/2010-07-09T12:54:01.mp3 | 05:52 |
| pupnik_ | it would be so nice if we could ignore poitifs | 05:53 |
| pupnik_ | but we can not | 05:53 |
| SpeedEvil | If just one person is going on about it in a channel, we can quite easily. | 05:54 |
| pupnik_ | and every one of you who supports monopoly control over anything | 05:54 |
| pupnik_ | well, you're shit | 05:54 |
| microlith | pupnik_: who, exactly, are you talking to? | 05:54 |
| mortini | microlith: himself. | 05:55 |
| pupnik_ | people who support their state | 05:55 |
| microlith | ah | 05:55 |
| microlith | pupnik_: I know, anarchy is where it's at | 05:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | aloha | 05:55 |
| Ken-Young | I support Iowa - The Tall Corn State! | 05:55 |
| SpeedEvil | Monopoly control sometimes works. | 05:55 |
| pupnik_ | oh you missed the iraq WMD discussion | 05:55 |
| Termana | Hey DocScrutinizer | 05:55 |
| microlith | I did? I figured that was over and done with years ago/ | 05:55 |
| pupnik_ | the killing of 2 million people | 05:55 |
| * GAN900 is done with mwkn and heading towards bed. | 05:56 | |
| SpeedEvil | For example, for radio spectrum, there is a strong argument for one control authority over fairly extended areas. | 05:56 |
| * GAN900 hands the official #maemo Taser to DocScrutinizer. | 05:56 | |
| asj | Ken-Young: oh come on, there's only so much basketball one can take ;) | 05:56 |
| Termana | Good night GAN900 | 05:56 |
| pupnik_ | there's no argument for killing al countries surrounding israel | 05:56 |
| SpeedEvil | night GAN900 | 05:56 |
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| SpeedEvil | pupnik_: Sure there is. | 05:56 |
| pupnik_ | those people are insane | 05:56 |
| Ken-Young | asj, We have the Butter Cow too! | 05:56 |
| SpeedEvil | Doesn't mean it's a good one. | 05:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | nah, only a short insomnia phase that's hopefully over in 5 min | 05:57 |
| microlith | pupnik_: additionally, why rant in here? | 05:57 |
| asj | Ken-Young: I thought that was Wisconsin... | 05:57 |
| Ken-Young | asj, Nope! It's our State Fair. | 05:57 |
| GAN900 | Well then. | 05:57 |
| asj | Ken-Young: I only know 1 think, happy cows from california ;) | 05:57 |
| pupnik_ | because they are dedicated to trojaning your computer microlith | 05:57 |
| * GAN900 declares anarchy. | 05:57 | |
| microlith | is pupnik_ drunk or something? | 05:57 |
| * DocScrutinizer declares +m | 05:57 | |
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| asj | microlith: yes, or high or borth | 05:58 |
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| pupnik_ | it affects maemo | 05:59 |
| pupnik_ | bastards trojaning the planet | 05:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | pupnik_: please take it elsewhere | 06:00 |
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| pupnik_ | totally topical DocScrutinizer but i'm done | 06:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | k | 06:00 |
| pupnik_ | jane harman | 06:01 |
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| pupnik_ | sibel edmonds | 06:01 |
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| *** DocScrutinizer sets mode: +q pupnik_!*@* | 06:02 | |
| DocScrutinizer | dunno jane harman or sibel edmonds. Don't think posting those names without further comment/context makes sense | 06:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ping some sysop when you chilled down, pupnik_ :-D | 06:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | err chanop | 06:04 |
| smackpotato | http://code.google.com/p/milestone-overclock/wiki/Disassembly | 06:04 |
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| SpeedEvil | I see no reason why that's at all interesting smackpotato | 06:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer | :-/ | 06:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | sounded interesting - thanks for preview, SpeedEvil | 06:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: you still got that nice weather? here it's >24° even now :-o | 06:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | (which might be related to the strange things happening in this chan for last 45min) | 06:14 |
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| asj | I thought it was because the of the dutch loss | 06:16 |
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| DocScrutinizer | hmm | 06:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | pupnik_ ist ~pupnik@p54B2B08D.dip.t-dialin.net (as) | 06:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | looks like that shouldn't matter too much | 06:21 |
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| SpectalNewt | open source sortware means freedom from tyranny | 06:26 |
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| Termana | here we go again | 06:26 |
| SpectalNewt | that is the most on-topic thing ever said in #maemo | 06:26 |
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| ZogG | banyourslf | 06:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | now that's trolling | 06:27 |
| smackpotato | spees evil maybe its just interesting because of my lack of knowlage | 06:27 |
| smackpotato | so u dont think it can be converted to diablo speed evil | 06:28 |
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| Termana | smackpotato, if you want to set off his highlights and get his attention, you'll need to use his nickname in full rather than split in two :P | 06:29 |
| smackpotato | ya how do i tab | 06:29 |
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| Termana | smackpotato, the tab button on your keyboard. Unless your on an n900 | 06:30 |
| Termana | or n8x0 | 06:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | smackpotato: depends on client | 06:31 |
| smackpotato | speedevil | 06:31 |
| smackpotato | i set fn yen to tab but its not work here | 06:31 |
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| smackpotato | it actually tabs | 06:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | no idea for pidgin. or xchat on N900 I use shift-space | 06:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer | by configuring nick-completion in settings/key-shortcuts | 06:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer | s/or/on | 06:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | err for | 06:34 |
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| smackpotato | thanks doc | 06:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | yw | 06:34 |
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| Macer | hi | 06:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | lo | 06:46 |
| Termana | hey Macer | 06:47 |
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| annach | # Appears as ANNA | 06:47 |
| annach | (#G010E010M1) wazzup | 06:47 |
| Termana | A Wild Anna Appears | 06:48 |
| Termana | annach, your client is messing up your messages, just so you know | 06:48 |
| annach | (#G210E210M1) what? | 06:48 |
| asj | # Appears of OMG_MS_COMIC_CHAT_STILL_EXISTS????????/ | 06:48 |
| annach | (#G1<:E;10M1) I am using MS COmic Chat | 06:48 |
| annach | (#G210E=10M1) it is a wonderful program | 06:48 |
| annach | (#G1<:E@10M1) I love it | 06:48 |
| Termana | :\ | 06:48 |
| Termana | THIS | 06:48 |
| Termana | DELETE IT | 06:48 |
| annach | (#G210E476M1) !! IT RULES | 06:49 |
| *** ChanServ sets mode: +o DocScrutinizer | 06:49 | |
| DocScrutinizer | start to get used to chanop BS nagging me while I should sleep | 06:49 |
| annach | (#G610E114M1) any other comicchat users here? :) | 06:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | annach: stop that! | 06:50 |
| asj | DocScrutinizer: your spidey sense will wake you | 06:50 |
| annach | (#G=10E210M1) stop what? | 06:50 |
| Termana | DocScrutinizer, I am just going to go shoot myself is that okey? Call me back when this is finished | 06:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | <annach> (#G=10E210M1) stop what? | 06:50 |
| annach | (#G1<:E;10M1) I am using comicchat, I am new to irc :] | 06:50 |
| asj | annach: you're client annoys every other irc user out there with tons of extra cruft around everything you say | 06:51 |
| annach | (#G1<:E=10M1) I am considering getting a n900 | 06:51 |
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| annach | # Appears as ANNA | 06:51 |
| annach | (#G210E@10M1) :[ | 06:51 |
| annach | (#G610E856M1) :( | 06:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer | (#G610E856M1) you'll earn a ban on very next line you post with that shit! | 06:52 |
| Termana | Oh dear, auto-rejoin | 06:52 |
| annach | (#G=10E476M1) NO BAN PLEASE | 06:52 |
| annach | (#G>10E476M1) NO BAN PLEASE | 06:52 |
| annach | (#G010E476M1) NO BAN PLEASE | 06:52 |
| annach | (#G210E476M1) NO BAN PLEASE | 06:52 |
| annach | (#G610E476M1) NO BAN PLEASE | 06:52 |
| annach | (#G=10E476M1) NO BAN PLEASE | 06:52 |
| annach | (#G>10E476M1) NO BAN PLEASE | 06:52 |
| annach | (#G010E476M1) NO BAN PLEASE | 06:52 |
| annach | (#G210E476M1) NO BAN PLEASE | 06:52 |
| annach | (#G610E476M1) NO BAN PLEASE | 06:52 |
| annach | (#G=10E476M1) NO BAN PLEASE | 06:52 |
| annach | (#G>10E476M1) NO BAN PLEASE | 06:52 |
| annach | (#G010E476M1) NO BAN PLEASE | 06:52 |
| annach | (#G210E476M1) NO BAN PLEASE | 06:52 |
| pronto | lol | 06:52 |
| annach | (#G=10E476M1) NO BAN PLEASE | 06:52 |
| annach | (#G>10E476M1) NO BAN PLEASE | 06:52 |
| annach | (#G010E476M1) NO BAN PLEASE | 06:52 |
| *** DocScrutinizer sets mode: +b annach!*@* | 06:52 | |
| annach | (#G210E476M1) NO BAN PLEASE | 06:52 |
| *** annach was kicked by DocScrutinizer (WTF?!) | 06:52 | |
| pronto | lmao | 06:52 |
| Termana | Oh dear, I have no clue why that made me laugh | 06:52 |
| asj | pupnik seeks revenge with ms comic chat | 06:52 |
| Termana | asj, lol | 06:53 |
| SpectalNewt | i was not joking | 06:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | [Whois] annach ist ~jsmith@184.104.43.81 (James Smith) | 06:53 |
| SpeedEvil | pupnik diddn't seem insane these past several months. | 06:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | no pupnik | 06:53 |
| SpectalNewt | but i'm sorry | 06:53 |
| SpeedEvil | Indeed | 06:53 |
| SpectalNewt | free sofware, transparency.. no trojans | 06:54 |
| Termana | SpectalNewt, at least you didn't use Comic Chat | 06:54 |
| asj | oh god, I'm sorry, I woke him up again | 06:54 |
| SpectalNewt | asj: if you disagree, feel free to refute it | 06:55 |
| SpectalNewt | people comtrolling their devices is a high goal | 06:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | pupnik, yes, that's why 80% have a maemo device | 06:56 |
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| Termana | wb smackpotato | 06:56 |
| smackpotato | tx | 06:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | err the reason for 80% why they got a... | 06:57 |
| SpectalNewt | i just don't know how to promote it | 06:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | take a nap, will give you new perspective | 06:57 |
| SpectalNewt | need more power | 06:58 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ~xyawn | 07:04 |
| infobot | i guess xyawn is nap | 07:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ok | 07:04 |
| * DocScrutinizer waves | 07:04 | |
| SpeedEvil | wave | 07:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: would you mind a temporary +o? | 07:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer | maybe channel need it | 07:04 |
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| SpeedEvil | sure. | 07:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | thanks :-) | 07:05 |
| SpeedEvil | However, I am going to sleep in 8 minutes +-50 | 07:06 |
| luke-jr | wtf, T-Mobile wants ID and SSN for service? | 07:06 |
| Termana | You know the last time I saw that phrase used was in some code that allowed the russian programmer to kill the program, delete the program and the company's database | 07:06 |
| Termana | the comment said: | 07:06 |
| Termana | //Maybe I be needing this | 07:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | /kick * | 07:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-P | 07:07 |
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| luke-jr | Termana: what phrase? | 07:07 |
| Termana | luke-jr, <DocScrutinizer> maybe channel need it | 07:08 |
| luke-jr | i c | 07:08 |
| Termana | DocScrutinizer, :P | 07:08 |
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| luke-jr | Maemo have any tool to micromanage what apps use web? | 07:08 |
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| Termana | luke-jr, here in Australia you need a drivers license to sign up for prepaid. | 07:09 |
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| luke-jr | Termana: how lame is that? | 07:09 |
| Termana | luke-jr, extremely considering its prepaid :\ | 07:09 |
| Termana | But anyhow | 07:09 |
| luke-jr | but anyhow, ID + SSN is basically handing over ones Identity | 07:10 |
| * luke-jr doesn't get why prepaid always means more expensive | 07:10 | |
| SpeedEvil | Isn't it illegal in the US to require SSN for ID for companies? | 07:10 |
| luke-jr | if I'm paying up front, I should get a better price if anything | 07:10 |
| SpeedEvil | I vaguely recalled that | 07:10 |
| luke-jr | SpeedEvil: yeah, but they still do | 07:10 |
| Termana | luke-jr, apparently I knew what you were going to say. I said but anyhow and you went and said it | 07:10 |
| Termana | :P | 07:10 |
| SpeedEvil | luke-jr: The idea is that if you buy a contract, you'll keep paying, not stop using it | 07:10 |
| SpeedEvil | In theory at least | 07:11 |
| luke-jr | SpeedEvil: I'm comparing pre-paid vs month-by-month-contract | 07:11 |
| SpeedEvil | Hence they want to encourage that | 07:11 |
| SpeedEvil | yeah | 07:11 |
| SpeedEvil | inertia | 07:11 |
| SpeedEvil | they assume you won't get off your fat ass, and cancel it. | 07:11 |
| luke-jr | I really don't care which, but I *do* care about handing them my Identity on a silver platter. | 07:11 |
| SpeedEvil | And in most cases they're right. | 07:11 |
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| luke-jr | I also care about paying too much | 07:12 |
| SpeedEvil | Oh | 07:12 |
| SpeedEvil | contract | 07:12 |
| SpeedEvil | no, that's for credit checks probably | 07:12 |
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| luke-jr | I don't really care what they want it for... | 07:12 |
| SpeedEvil | as you can run up large bulls on calls | 07:12 |
| SpeedEvil | bills | 07:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | law enforcement | 07:12 |
| luke-jr | they're welcome to put a block on any non-included calls | 07:12 |
| SpeedEvil | maybe that too | 07:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | homeland security | 07:13 |
| SpeedEvil | luke-jr: For obvious reasons, they don't want to do that. | 07:13 |
| luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: I'd rather my phone NOT be connected to me | 07:13 |
| Termana | I don't really know what's wrong with giving them your identity. Why don't you want them to know who you are? | 07:13 |
| luke-jr | Termana: Identity as in, allowing them to steal it | 07:13 |
| SpeedEvil | Termana: Ask a few hundred thousand ipad owners. | 07:13 |
| luke-jr | Termana: I also don't want this corrupt State I live in the ability to track my movements | 07:14 |
| Termana | DocScrutinizer, yes the US has those nice illegal homeland security checkpoints when you cross state lines | 07:14 |
| SpeedEvil | http://mobile.slashdot.org/story/10/04/26/1736253/All-GSM-Phones-Open-To-Attack-Tracking?from=rss | 07:14 |
| SpeedEvil | State? | 07:14 |
| luke-jr | and the N900 just isn't free enough to assure me they can't | 07:14 |
| SpeedEvil | It's lots worse than that | 07:14 |
| luke-jr | Termana: do they? | 07:14 |
| luke-jr | Termana: never seen those | 07:14 |
| luke-jr | but then, it'd been almost 3 years since I was able to leave this state :( | 07:15 |
| luke-jr | it's* | 07:15 |
| Termana | luke-jr, there a guy on youtube that crosses them purposely and refuses to answer their questions. Since its an illegal checkpoint they can't force him to. | 07:15 |
| Termana | luke-jr, they ask if your a US citizen. | 07:15 |
| Termana | there's a* | 07:15 |
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| SpeedEvil | They are not illegal for non-US citezens IIRC | 07:16 |
| SpeedEvil | At least some classes of them | 07:16 |
| luke-jr | SpeedEvil: I think that's a trick ;) | 07:16 |
| luke-jr | they can't know if you're a citizen without stopping you illegally :p | 07:16 |
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| luke-jr | hmm | 07:17 |
| Termana | SpeedEvil, hmm, that might be the case - but the impression I got was it was totally illegal as ruled by the Supreme Courts. But I'm in Australia and don't concern myself too much with the US' laws | 07:17 |
| * luke-jr reconsiders buying data service | 07:17 | |
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| luke-jr | seeing as T-Mob doesn't seem to have it for PAYG at all | 07:17 |
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| SpeedEvil | Move! | 07:18 |
| SpeedEvil | I bought 6 months data service from t-mobile for $30 prepaid | 07:18 |
| SpeedEvil | And that's the only payment on this SIM | 07:18 |
| SpeedEvil | UK | 07:18 |
| luke-jr | SpeedEvil: how? | 07:19 |
| SpeedEvil | boltons | 07:19 |
| luke-jr | boltons? | 07:19 |
| SpeedEvil | err - boosters | 07:19 |
| SpeedEvil | you're in the US I thought | 07:19 |
| SpeedEvil | ah - sorry - confusing people again. | 07:21 |
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| Termana | SpeedEvil, he is in the US | 07:21 |
| SpeedEvil | And one of the people I'm confusing is me. | 07:22 |
| SpeedEvil | It's 5AM | 07:22 |
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| Termana | SpeedEvil, just got up or haven't gone to bed? | 07:23 |
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| luke-jr | SpeedEvil: ... | 07:26 |
| Termana | I hate timezones. | 07:27 |
| Termana | Luckily my clock shows several locations and their times | 07:27 |
| luke-jr | Termana: use Tonal time | 07:27 |
| Termana | So I set it to Helsinki, Berlin, Warsaw, and Santa Clara (California) | 07:28 |
| Termana | Mostly places that are related to people involved with MeeGo :P | 07:28 |
| Termana | Helsinki, Berlin and Warsaw create this little mickey mouse picture on the dots on the map above it :P | 07:28 |
| luke-jr | Termana: be glad you didn't live 1000 years ago | 07:29 |
| luke-jr | or before whenever timezones were invented | 07:29 |
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| SpeedEvil | I am trying to go to sleep | 07:31 |
| SpeedEvil | but not feeling at all tired | 07:31 |
| SpeedEvil | So I am currently doing pointless hacking. | 07:31 |
| luke-jr | SpeedEvil: where are you? | 07:32 |
| SpeedEvil | Scotland | 07:32 |
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| RST38h | Anyone knows if .shlibs is autogenerated? | 07:44 |
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| Stskeeps | think it is | 07:49 |
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| RST38h | how do I force my package to depend on another package then? | 07:49 |
| Stskeeps | forcing is debian/control i believe? shlibs is autogenerated, but i'm not sure | 07:50 |
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| RST38h | ok | 07:54 |
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| RST38h | let us see if autobuilder eats my shlibs first... | 07:58 |
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| RST38h | Woman Imprisoned for Sending Hundreds of Threatening Texts to Herself | 08:00 |
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| flux | I would say the title isn't factual. | 08:52 |
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| asj | probably along the lines of "it was her phone account and her Ex bf had the phone" | 08:55 |
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| SpeedEvil | OR the texts were purported to come from someone else, and reported to police | 09:05 |
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| Macer | well | 09:20 |
| Macer | i guess for nfs retrans=5 should be good enough | 09:20 |
| frals | Jaffa: mwkn giving a 404 | 09:21 |
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| Jaffa | frals: Indeed. Fixing now. | 09:23 |
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| Jaffa | frals: try now? | 09:23 |
| frals | works, cheers :) | 09:24 |
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| tybollt | frals: Interesting fmms didn't work and then all of a sudden one day after an update (I think) it just works (tm), wtf? :) | 09:35 |
| * tybollt believe there's hidden magic in fmms =) | 09:35 | |
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| SpeedEvil | There is a secret ingredient | 09:36 |
| SpeedEvil | http://www.thinkgeek.com/stuff/41/unicorn-meat.shtml | 09:37 |
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| frals | tybollt: probably skit-bakom-spakarna... ;) | 09:40 |
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| tybollt | frals: PEBKAC iow :) | 10:02 |
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| frals | tybollt: yeah, most likely ;) | 10:06 |
| D-Iivil_Work | Good morning. | 10:06 |
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| tybollt | frals: I'm trying to figure what it was si´nce I really didnt do anything to get it working... but meh :) | 10:07 |
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| frals | how did it "not work"? | 10:07 |
| tybollt | it would never retrieve sms, it'd timeout or something. Now all of a sudden mms start trickling in all by themselves. | 10:08 |
| tybollt | frals: mind I'm blonde and have blue eyes... ;) | 10:09 |
| frals | what connection mode are you using? | 10:09 |
| tybollt | connection mode? (ie, probably whatever is default ;) | 10:09 |
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| frals | in settings dialog at the bottom there is "connection mode", default is it doesnt connecut by itself usually which is why you are getting time outs | 10:12 |
| frals | and i guess now you are online on the gprs connection so it can download them | 10:12 |
| frals | or something along those lines | 10:12 |
| tybollt | aaah | 10:12 |
| tybollt | so that's it then | 10:12 |
| tybollt | I was online via gprs at some point and so it could go about it itself | 10:13 |
| tybollt | that'd explain it, thanks | 10:13 |
| frals | if you change to havoc it will do it by magic always.. hopefully ;) | 10:14 |
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| tybollt | I don't like the implications of "havoc" in my phone. | 10:16 |
| tybollt | Hildon causes quite enough havoc as is. :D | 10:16 |
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| tybollt | frals: why is default not to do anything? | 10:17 |
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| tybollt | frals: is it to preserve cost for people w/out uinlimited data plans or? | 10:18 |
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| frals | tybollt: because the other 2 modes arent completly reliable... :D | 10:18 |
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| tybollt | 'reliable'? They may screw the dog and eat the baby? | 10:19 |
| frals | yeah, in rare cases | 10:19 |
| frals | they work perfectly for me but since users are stupid :( | 10:19 |
| tybollt | Please I know I'm stupid - no need to rub it in ;) | 10:22 |
| frals | :D | 10:22 |
| tybollt | anyway it's all good, thank you. | 10:22 |
| tybollt | hope you're having fun in Suomi btw | 10:22 |
| frals | hehe | 10:22 |
| frals | tis not bad here | 10:23 |
| frals | cept for all the finns ofc but not much to do about that | 10:23 |
| tybollt | :-D | 10:23 |
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| exman | I cannot set integer value using context-provide | 10:37 |
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| Stskeeps | wazd: how would a Mer theming look like for meego? ;) | 10:57 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: oh well, pretty much the same I hope :D | 10:57 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: though template svgs are not that informative btw :) | 10:57 |
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| wazd | Stskeeps: like, 10 identical squares, what the hell do they mean :) | 10:58 |
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| Stskeeps | wazd: hehe | 10:59 |
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| Stskeeps | you need to combine with base theme probably | 10:59 |
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| Venemo1 | w00t_: ping | 11:27 |
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| w00t_ | what's up? | 11:31 |
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| kerio | w00t_: the sky | 11:33 |
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| psycho_oreos | anyone know if the downloads.maemo.nokia.com logins are unique? | 11:35 |
| Venemo1 | w00t_: I've began to make some progress in the stuff | 11:35 |
| Venemo1 | w00t_: can I pm you? | 11:35 |
| w00t_ | psycho_oreos: certainly | 11:35 |
| Venemo1 | kerio: that comment was just LOL. | 11:35 |
| w00t_ | er | 11:35 |
| w00t_ | Venemo1: certainly | 11:35 |
| * w00t_ desperately needs caffine | 11:35 | |
| kerio | *eine | 11:36 |
| * psycho_oreos thought w00t_ had actually explored that far | 11:36 | |
| Venemo1 | w00t_: Twinnings Earl Grey tea is my favourite source of caffeine | 11:36 |
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| kerio | Venemo1: earl grey ftfw | 11:40 |
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| psycho_oreos | can someone please do this on their n900? grep login /etc/apt/auth | 11:42 |
| SwedeMike | psycho_oreos: it says "login <something that looks like a password> | 11:43 |
| SwedeMike | or actually a login account | 11:44 |
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| psycho_oreos | SwedeMike, can you confirm for me if the last two letters of your login ends with eP? (case insensitive) | 11:44 |
| SwedeMike | psycho_oreos: no, EP | 11:44 |
| Corsac | case insensitive :) | 11:44 |
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| psycho_oreos | SwedeMike, looks quite similar like my login I presume :) I was having thoughts the logins and passwords were unique per n900 | 11:45 |
| kerio | passwordS? | 11:45 |
| SwedeMike | psycho_oreos: mine starts with qa | 11:45 |
| psycho_oreos | SwedeMike, so does mine | 11:45 |
| kerio | there's no password except the one you set | 11:45 |
| kerio | for root | 11:46 |
| kerio | user can't login | 11:46 |
| Corsac | kerio: unrelated | 11:46 |
| psycho_oreos | kerio, apparently these are for downloading from download.maemo.nokia.com | 11:46 |
| Corsac | kerio: they're talking about apt http passwords | 11:46 |
| kerio | ooh | 11:46 |
| kerio | i see | 11:46 |
| SwedeMike | it says "machine downloads.maemo.nokia.com" so I guess it's for basic access | 11:46 |
| kerio | why does it need a password? | 11:46 |
| Corsac | to restrict access to n900 owners | 11:46 |
| psycho_oreos | to prevent other unauthorised users from accessing it | 11:46 |
| Corsac | (presumably) | 11:46 |
| SwedeMike | security by obscurity I guess | 11:47 |
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| psycho_oreos | I don't know if its restricted to only n900, its mainly to prevent someone else thinking they can mirror that site without a key | 11:47 |
| psycho_oreos | or at least access it through their browser or otherwise | 11:47 |
| psycho_oreos | SwedeMike, thanks for your input :) I believe they're not unique judging by the output comparisons | 11:48 |
| SwedeMike | psycho_oreos: no, it seems to be the same for everybody. | 11:49 |
| psycho_oreos | SwedeMike, hehe I'm no developer neither do I have access to nokia's repo so I can only assume from a user's point of view :) but now I know | 11:50 |
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| Corsac | easy to compare, though: | 11:52 |
| Corsac | 79922cea7cafdd8ac2 auth | 11:52 |
| Corsac | grmbl | 11:52 |
| Corsac | df784bbf828b7779922cea7cafdd8ac2 auth | 11:52 |
| Corsac | just md5sum your /etc/apt/auth, I bet you get the same hash | 11:52 |
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| hrw | hi | 11:53 |
| psycho_oreos | df784bbf828b7779922cea7cafdd8ac2 /etc/apt/auth | 11:53 |
| psycho_oreos | heh same | 11:53 |
| Stskeeps | lo hrw | 11:53 |
| Stskeeps | how's ubuntu and linaro coming along? | 11:53 |
| hrw | planned to hack modest a bit today but looked at source and decided against | 11:53 |
| hrw | Stskeeps: slowly ahead | 11:53 |
| * hrw wants 25°C | 11:54 | |
| Stskeeps | indeed, too darn hot here in .pl | 11:55 |
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| Stskeeps | days like these i am happy i work from home where business wear isn't needed | 11:55 |
| psycho_oreos | Corsac, though not a bad idea in a nutshell, but what if some nokia maemo developer decides to paste his md5sum with more than one machine access for example? or different credentials? I know its highly unlikely but :) | 11:55 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 11:55 |
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| Corsac | psycho_oreos: then what? | 11:56 |
| hrw | Stskeeps: indeed | 11:56 |
| Corsac | if his auth file is not pristine, then the hash will be different, but that's expected anyway | 11:57 |
| RST38h | https://images1-focus-opensocial.googleusercontent.com/gadgets/proxy?container=focus&gadget=a&no_expand=1&refresh=31536000&resize_h=120&rewriteMime=image%2F*&url=http%3A%2F%2Flj.karlson.ru%2FUSA%2FRedmond%2Ffirst_aid.jpg | 11:57 |
| psycho_oreos | Corsac, I dunno, then it'll probably be harder to compare :) | 11:57 |
| RST38h | oh shit. | 11:57 |
| Corsac | psycho_oreos: I don't think we really care :) | 11:57 |
| RST38h | Ok, shorter version: http://lj2.karlson.ru/USA/Redmond/first_aid.jpg (sorry) | 11:57 |
| Corsac | psycho_oreos: the whole point was just checking with some random users if the content is the same without having to disclose the content | 11:57 |
| Corsac | which is a perfect use case for a hash :/ | 11:57 |
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| psycho_oreos | yeah but what I was purely trying to compare to see if logins were the same, password would most likely be the same anyway. Mainly from those who aren't part of Nokia maemo development project or has some highly restricted access :) | 11:58 |
| psycho_oreos | it is unless if the random user happens to be some dev is what I'm pointing merely at | 11:58 |
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| psycho_oreos | from time to time I do see users from nokia.com connecting in :) | 11:59 |
| Stskeeps | there's several nokians in here, community members like any other :P | 11:59 |
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| * psycho_oreos shrugs, has a belief that those connecting from nokia.com may also be maemo dev teams | 12:01 | |
| psycho_oreos | probably just being paranoid :) | 12:01 |
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| tobis87 | hi, | 12:16 |
| tobis87 | does anyone know, how i can set the mtu for wlan0 permanently? | 12:16 |
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| Shapeshifter | oh lol. I shouldn't have used "maemo" in the name of the game I wrote xD | 12:22 |
| Shapeshifter | how dumb. | 12:22 |
| Shapeshifter | stupid trademarking business... | 12:22 |
| MohammadAG51 | MaeReactor :P | 12:23 |
| MohammadAG51 | you can always ask for it to be taken down | 12:23 |
| RST38h | You can always use Maimo | 12:23 |
| MohammadAG51 | lol | 12:24 |
| Shapeshifter | meamo | 12:24 |
| Rabidus | or MyMo | 12:24 |
| MohammadAG51 | or as someone read it once, my emo | 12:24 |
| Corsac | Ma & Mo | 12:24 |
| Shapeshifter | well it's stupid anyway because it's not even maemo-specific. | 12:24 |
| Shapeshifter | now I actually have to think of a name ... | 12:25 |
| Corsac | and a logo | 12:25 |
| psycho_oreos | m@emo | 12:25 |
| Corsac | m?mo | 12:25 |
| Shapeshifter | mh | 12:26 |
| Shapeshifter | PyReactor | 12:26 |
| Shapeshifter | generic | 12:26 |
| Shapeshifter | yet simple enough. | 12:26 |
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| kerio | drop the py | 12:26 |
| kerio | users won't care about the language you used | 12:27 |
| Shapeshifter | no. if I do, it could be anything | 12:27 |
| tobis87 | i already dumped /system/osso/connectivity with gconftool-2, but there is no option to set the mtu. maybe adding ifconfig wlan0 mtu 1492 to a script in /etc/udhcpc helps, but i don't know. | 12:27 |
| Shapeshifter | "Quick Reaction" | 12:27 |
| Shapeshifter | ._. | 12:27 |
| kerio | hmm | 12:28 |
| MohammadAG51 | just use MaeReactor | 12:28 |
| Shapeshifter | MohammadAG51: well it runs on any linux. and on any portable linux device it would be well usable. even supports window resizing. so it's really not just for maemo. | 12:28 |
| kerio | in two hours of usage, the battery dropped from almost full to slightly less than half | 12:28 |
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| kerio | is that normal? | 12:28 |
| psycho_oreos | tobis87, you could probably try putting it in a new file under: /etc/network/if-up.d | 12:29 |
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| tobis87 | psycho_oreos: yes, but would this not work only with a static network? i don't know how the n900 connects to the wlan, i haven't seen wpa_supplicant on the device. | 12:32 |
| psycho_oreos | tobis87, I believe the scripts lying in that directory acts independently from wpa_supplicant | 12:33 |
| Shapeshifter | how about "Vencidas". It's mexican for "arm wrestling" | 12:33 |
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| * psycho_oreos doesn't know what the program is for lol | 12:35 | |
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| tobis87 | psycho_oreos: so you think a 'post-up ifconfig wlan0 mtu 1492' should do the trick? | 12:36 |
| psycho_oreos | tobis87, using that location that I said before? probably | 12:36 |
| psycho_oreos | pretty sure you can check mtu after its up | 12:37 |
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| psycho_oreos | though its pretty redundant, probably a better idea is to place it into pre-up | 12:38 |
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| tobis87 | psycho_oreos: so if i add a file in /etc/network/if-pre-up.d/, does it only have to contain #!/bin/sh \ ifconfig wlan0 mtu 1492? | 12:42 |
| psycho_oreos | tobis87, I suppose, and probably a good idea to name it in the format similar to others | 12:44 |
| Shapeshifter | Tablet Reactor? | 12:44 |
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| alterego | So, what shall we do today folks? :) | 12:52 |
| Stskeeps | i'm debugging connman | 12:53 |
| alterego | How does connman rate against netman? iyo? | 12:53 |
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| Stskeeps | both are buggy piece of shits | 12:53 |
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| Stskeeps | :P | 12:54 |
| alterego | Heh | 12:54 |
| alterego | Seems to me they both do the same job, just wondering if one was technically better than the other. | 12:54 |
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| Macer | Stskeeps: so what has happened to active dev for the n8x0? | 12:54 |
| alterego | And for what reasons. Does connman still use if-up/down? | 12:55 |
| Stskeeps | Macer: there's people doing android and i am doing dev for n8x0 this summer | 12:55 |
| Macer | ah. i see. mer dev or meego dev? | 12:55 |
| Stskeeps | meego for n8x0, mer's dead | 12:55 |
| Macer | oh | 12:55 |
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| Macer | does meego even have a ui yet? | 12:56 |
| Stskeeps | sure | 12:56 |
| Stskeeps | sec | 12:56 |
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| Macer | hm. i didnt see any screen shots on meego.com or whatever it was | 12:57 |
| Stskeeps | this is development code, but http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EW5wpg5epMs - ignore the artwork, it's all theme-able | 12:57 |
| alterego | What UX are you planning for the N8x0 adaptation? | 12:57 |
| Stskeeps | alterego: well, xfce4 initially, and an attempt at seeing how bad handset UX runs on there in software rendering mode | 12:57 |
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| Stskeeps | (i've had the UI up in the past, before w00t's software rendering patches making some things faster) | 12:57 |
| alterego | Hrm, I would have thought, netbook or tablet would be better. No way of using GLES then? Even with the "opened" driver from TI? | 12:58 |
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| Stskeeps | netbook isn't built for ARM and tablet i don't have access to | 12:58 |
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| Macer | Stskeeps: what is that running on? | 12:59 |
| kerio | really, my battery is almost dead and it's just three hours of usage | 12:59 |
| Stskeeps | Macer: aava mobile | 12:59 |
| Macer | that is pretty nice | 12:59 |
| Macer | awesome ui | 12:59 |
| Macer | qt? | 12:59 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, + libmeegotouch | 12:59 |
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| Khertan | Hello ! | 13:00 |
| Macer | how is n900 dev for it going? | 13:00 |
| Macer | how is n900 dev for it going? | 13:01 |
| Stskeeps | quite well | 13:01 |
| Macer | oops | 13:01 |
| Macer | can i install on the n900 now | 13:01 |
| Stskeeps | yes, but you have to build an image manually | 13:01 |
| Macer | and have it be functional? | 13:01 |
| Stskeeps | and wifi is unstable (working on that atm) | 13:01 |
| Macer | what doesnt work? | 13:01 |
| Stskeeps | someone made a n900 video, go see | 13:01 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 13:01 |
| Macer | lol | 13:01 |
| Macer | sorry | 13:01 |
| Macer | i was just curious what hw wasnt working | 13:01 |
| Khertan | and building an image will probably install conflicting pacakge on your Ubuntu 10.04 | 13:01 |
| Macer | it looks very nice tho | 13:02 |
| kerio | is mobile data *that* heavy on the battery? | 13:02 |
| Macer | the portrait mode is a huge plus ;) | 13:02 |
| kerio | my laptop lasts longer | 13:02 |
| Macer | if it keeps the debianish env then im sold | 13:02 |
| Macer | :) | 13:02 |
| Khertan | Portrait mode is useless | 13:02 |
| Khertan | :)* | 13:02 |
| alterego | Macer: the UX build for N900 is so far from stable right now, however, it's probably good enough for developing apps. | 13:02 |
| Khertan | Python will be a plus ! | 13:02 |
| Macer | alterego: ah ok | 13:03 |
| alterego | Stskeeps: is their a tut on building for qemu N900 ? | 13:03 |
| Macer | alterego: it is something to look forward to | 13:03 |
| Stskeeps | alterego: not yet. give fabo in #meego-arm a hand if you want to be at the front line | 13:03 |
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| Khertan | py is still not available for meego ... i ll like to test KhtEditor on Meego Netbook ... but without pyqt :( | 13:03 |
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| Macer | well. i hope it goes well | 13:05 |
| alterego | Stskeeps: thanks. | 13:05 |
| Macer | it looks amazing | 13:05 |
| Macer | pick a better mascot tho | 13:05 |
| Macer | lol | 13:05 |
| Macer | that thing looks like a pair of wannabe android robots | 13:05 |
| Stskeeps | it's for theming anyway | 13:06 |
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| alterego | Also, on a completely unrelated note, how precise would capacitive be with a metal stylus? Obviously still don't get pressure sensitivity though ... | 13:06 |
| Weiss | alterego: AIUI, the stylus has to be large - about as large as a finger | 13:06 |
| X-Fade | Capacitive isn't made for being precise though. | 13:07 |
| nidO | yep, you cant get a pinpoint stylus for capacitive so precision is always going to be a struggle | 13:07 |
| Macer | well... i saw the 45sec N900 meego vid | 13:07 |
| Macer | looks good | 13:07 |
| Macer | :) | 13:07 |
| Macer | cant wait until it is in the beta phases | 13:07 |
| alterego | Yeah, that's what I thought. | 13:08 |
| jacekowski | well capacitive can be precise | 13:08 |
| jacekowski | atmel had video about their qtouch stuff | 13:08 |
| jacekowski | and they apparently can get precision same as resistive | 13:08 |
| Shapeshifter | NimbleReactor? | 13:09 |
| jacekowski | ( touchpads in laptops are capacitive ) | 13:09 |
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| alterego | Cool | 13:10 |
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| Shapeshifter | Quick'n'Nimble? ._. | 13:10 |
| X-Fade | jacekowski: Although with touchpads you don't click on a specific place. | 13:11 |
| Corsac | don't you? | 13:11 |
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| jacekowski | well, but if you take a look at data from touchpad | 13:11 |
| X-Fade | It is more about relative movement there? | 13:11 |
| jacekowski | no | 13:11 |
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| jacekowski | touchpads give you absolute data | 13:11 |
| jacekowski | and drivers translate it into movments | 13:12 |
| X-Fade | Yes, but your mouse doesn't jump to a position. | 13:12 |
| jacekowski | do you have laptop with linux and touchpad/ | 13:12 |
| Shapeshifter | Quick'n'Nimble doesn't sound too bad for a game, does it? | 13:13 |
| nidO | ah, Shapeshifter | 13:13 |
| tybollt | Shapeshifter: passes _my_ euphemism parser ;) | 13:14 |
| nidO | had a marathon gaming session with the girlfriend last night, got a little feedback if you're interested | 13:14 |
| Shapeshifter | nidO: sure | 13:14 |
| Corsac | erf | 13:14 |
| nidO | from a pure QA point of view, as you've seen the program needs renaming and it really needs a way to exit the game without manually killing the task | 13:15 |
| Shapeshifter | nidO: press Q | 13:15 |
| nidO | also, the desktop launcher for it is currently called "MaemoReactor.png" - could do without having an image extension in the name | 13:15 |
| Shapeshifter | press R to return to menu. I guess I'll need to make that more clear. And I'll add an about box and quit button to the main menu. | 13:15 |
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| Shapeshifter | nidO: yep, noticed that | 13:16 |
| nidO | ah okay didnt know it was a keypress, but yeah on that note some kind of basic instructions/help built into the game might be quite handy | 13:16 |
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| Khertan | ~seen conny | 13:16 |
| infobot | conny <~conny@g229036132.adsl.alicedsl.de> was last seen on IRC in channel #meego, 11d 12h 38m 41s ago, saying: 'TSCHAKeee2: No :)'. | 13:16 |
| nidO | also, my girlfriend moaned that the countdown to zero minigame fails you if you press before it reaches zero and the other person wins regardless, maybe that should wait for both players to press then give the win to the person whos closes to 0? | 13:17 |
| crashanddie | o/ Khertan! | 13:17 |
| crashanddie | Khertan: ca f'sait un bail! | 13:17 |
| Shapeshifter | nidO: mh, the opponent always gets a point if you fail to be right. I could however do it as a penalty (-1 point for you) instead of +1 for the opponent | 13:17 |
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| nidO | unlike the "press once the icon reaches a certain size" which fails you if you press before it gets to that size which is fine as that's how it's worded, the countdown to zero wording suggests whoever's closest should win | 13:18 |
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| Shapeshifter | nidO: I'll see what I can do about that | 13:19 |
| Shapeshifter | nidO: do you think "Quick'n'Nimble" would fit the game? :| | 13:19 |
| nidO | She also suggested that maybe the number of games you can select should go up in 2's rather than 1's, so you can only play an odd number of games and remove the possibility of drawing | 13:20 |
| nidO | yeah that seems like a decent name :p | 13:20 |
| Shapeshifter | nidO: ah, good idea. | 13:20 |
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| Shapeshifter | Or should it be "Reaction face-off"? | 13:29 |
| Shapeshifter | quick'n'nimble sounds very single-player jump'n'run / jack-be-nimble | 13:29 |
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| nidO | something in the title giving it a clue to being a 2-player game might be good yeah | 13:31 |
| Shapeshifter | there will be a 3- and 4-player option somewhere in the future btw | 13:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | greetings from grill | 13:35 |
| Stskeeps | mm, bbq | 13:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | whoever wants me medium, you're late | 13:36 |
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| tobis87 | psycho_oreos: thank you for your help: #/bin/sh \ ifconfig | grep -q MTU:1492 || status=$? \ if [ $status -ne 0 ]; then \ ifconfig wlan0 mtu 1492\ fi \ exit 0 <- It does even work if i reconnect to the wlan, any suggestion how i can test only for the wlan0 mtu? | 13:39 |
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| psycho_oreos | tobis87, make sure the correct mode flags are set for that file | 13:42 |
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| tobis87 | psycho_oreos: yes i already did this (chmod +x), but is it possible to check only for the wlan0 entry? | 13:46 |
| psycho_oreos | tobis87, what do you mean check for wlan0 entry? you mean via ifconfig? | 13:47 |
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| smackpotato | goodmorning | 13:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | moo | 13:48 |
| tobis87 | psycho_oreos: yes. maybe i'm paranoid. | 13:48 |
| psycho_oreos | tobis87, well you can just ifconfig wlan0, and to make it even more specific I suppose you can incorporate | grep MTU | 13:49 |
| smackpotato | hi doc im going to ask som more people about the overclocking module i was going on about last night | 13:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ifconfig wlan0 | grep... | 13:50 |
| tobis87 | ah ok | 13:50 |
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| psycho_oreos | I personally hardly use the lettering when chmodding unless I set the setuid bit on. I mostly set the modes of the files via the octal format, and I can see a file under one of those network scripts directory has modes 755 on it | 13:52 |
| tobis87 | yes, i also do use 644 a lot, but i find it hard to remember the actual meaning, so +x is easier me. | 13:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | octal form has only absolute setting, symbolic chmod allows adding/resetting particular bits | 13:54 |
| smackpotato | http://code.google.com/p/milestone-overclock/wiki/Disassembly | 13:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | chmod g+x blah* | 13:54 |
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| psycho_oreos | g+x looks like it would set the group bit to have execute perms | 13:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | actual meaning is simple once you know rwx | 13:55 |
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| DocScrutinizer | =421 | 13:55 |
| Stskeeps | morn achipa | 13:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | err, | 13:55 |
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| smackpotato | i like 777 its a toy | 13:56 |
| achipa | morn, err... 'noon stskeeps :) | 13:56 |
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| psycho_oreos | 777 = slut ;) | 13:58 |
| psycho_oreos | err 0777 (with setuid as 0) ; | 13:58 |
| psycho_oreos | ;) | 13:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | a=rwx | 13:59 |
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| Termana | sudo su ; chown root:root executable ; chmod a=rwxs executable ; exit ; ./executable ; echo MAWAHAHAHA | 14:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Termana: to hot?? | 14:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | scp /dev/urandom root@termana:/dev/mem | 14:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer | btw: (symbolic vs numeric perm) from man chmod: >> You can set or clear the bits with symbolic modes like u+s and g-s, and you can set (but not clear) the bits with a numeric mode.<< | 14:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | *but not clear* | 14:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | funny that symbolic is more mighty than octal form of syntax, isn't it? | 14:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer | and I never stop to learn: chmod g=u :-) | 14:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Termana: sudo su works on *your* maemo? | 14:21 |
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| kerio | <Lord-Data> chmod 777 is the kinda thing i do on my own personal box when i cant be fucked figureing out what the perm's SHOULD be | 14:22 |
| kerio | <Lord-Data> which is, sadly, most of the time | 14:22 |
| kerio | (from qdb.us) | 14:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ouch | 14:22 |
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| mirf | 777 ftw | 14:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer | hope he's doing that on ~/.ssh | 14:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | will earn him the perms he's entitled to | 14:23 |
| kerio | ssh complains if you do that, right? | 14:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | ssh will kick your ass on next login when you do that | 14:24 |
| kerio | is there a --stfu-you-bitch option? | 14:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | nope | 14:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | .ssh must NOT be world r/w'able | 14:25 |
| kerio | what if i really, really, really want it to be world rwable? | 14:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | btw for ssh not even $HOME must be | 14:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | then stfu and forget ssh :-P | 14:26 |
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| DocScrutinizer | or create a hardlink? | 14:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | ln .ssh .ssh-fsckdup | 14:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | chmod a+rwx .ssh-f* | 14:27 |
| mgedmin | you can't hardlink directories on linux | 14:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | wut? | 14:27 |
| mgedmin | (and most other os'es) | 14:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | damn, you got me | 14:27 |
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| alterego | Damnit, can't inherit from two QObjects .. | 14:28 |
| alterego | Composition it is .. | 14:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | mgedmin: see how useless that idea of kerio is? :-P I never needed the non-working supposed solution to this made-up problem, in >15y of unix | 14:29 |
| Termana | <DocScrutinizer> scp /dev/urandom root@termana:/dev/mem - heh :P cat /dev/random > /dev/audio | 14:30 |
| Termana | Though that doesn't work on Ubuntu 9.10 for some reason | 14:30 |
| kerio | Termana: /dev/urandom | 14:31 |
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| kerio | doesn't block | 14:31 |
| Termana | DocScrutinizer, also, no it doesn't but I'm sure I could make it (sudo su) | 14:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | Termana: happens on my fsckng PA poisoned desktop system on every boot :-P | 14:31 |
| kerio | pa? | 14:31 |
| Termana | kerio, /dev/urandom doesn't work either | 14:31 |
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| Termana | kerio, pulseaudio | 14:31 |
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| kerio | pulseaudio sucks balls | 14:31 |
| Termana | DocScrutinizer, :P | 14:31 |
| kerio | ALSA FTW | 14:31 |
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| mirf | what's n900 using by default? pulseaudio? | 14:34 |
| kerio | alsa, i think | 14:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes >:-( | 14:34 |
| kerio | :O | 14:34 |
| kerio | really? | 14:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | PA !§"$§$ŋßßŋŋł | 14:34 |
| kerio | you might as well install jack then | 14:35 |
| mirf | yeah I installed jack | 14:35 |
| mirf | didn't get it to run yet | 14:35 |
| kerio | who the hell uses an audio rerouting daemon on a mini computer | 14:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | Nokia | 14:35 |
| kerio | yeah :/ | 14:35 |
| mirf | I think puredata could be v nice on n900 | 14:35 |
| mirf | or even chuck | 14:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | kerio: PA with ALSA hw audio sink | 14:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | MUHAHAHA | 14:36 |
| mirf | touch screen, accelerometer and proximity sensor interfaces | 14:36 |
| mirf | fun stuff | 14:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | mirf: ??? | 14:37 |
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| kerio | why pulse? :( | 14:39 |
| mgedmin | kerio, there was a presentation about that | 14:39 |
| * DocScrutinizer really wonder WTH causes 30s lags on 1. keystroke in a ssh session to N900 (over WLAN) that's been idle for some hours | 14:39 | |
| mgedmin | don't remember where, though | 14:39 |
| smackpotato | another random question - what is involved in converting a makefile from one used on a cross compiler to one thats used on a the maemo sdk | 14:40 |
| mgedmin | pulse lets nokia do things like pause all streams when you get a phone call | 14:40 |
| mgedmin | switch between speakers and bluetooth seamlessly | 14:40 |
| mgedmin | etc. | 14:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | mgedmin: the 8pages paper of Nokia about audio? | 14:40 |
| mgedmin | not sure; I think I'm remembering a pdf from guadec or linuxconf.au ... | 14:41 |
| Corsac | DocScrutinizer: wlan power management? | 14:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | Corsac: prolly | 14:41 |
| smackpotato | there are just to many options on linux when it comes to audio and a lot of them dont work | 14:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | mgedmin: stop all strams? W*T*F??? | 14:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | streams even | 14:41 |
| Corsac | anyway, even with moderate load, I often have the phone ringing way after the vibrator is on | 14:41 |
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| Corsac | like, on receiving a sms, the ring goes after the vibrator goes *off* | 14:42 |
| smackpotato | thats a feature corsac | 14:42 |
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| DocScrutinizer | bwahaha | 14:42 |
| smackpotato | for when your at the opera | 14:42 |
| kerio | btw, nobody answered me before - is three hours of usage, with mobile data on, enough to drain the majority of the battery for you? | 14:42 |
| Corsac | kerio: with or without IM account connected? | 14:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | kerio: depends, but yes, possible | 14:43 |
| kerio | i was in a zone with bad coverage | 14:43 |
| kerio | Corsac: IM connected, xchat open | 14:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | kerio: then for sure | 14:43 |
| kerio | :o | 14:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | kerio: at least on 3G | 14:43 |
| kerio | yeah, 3g | 14:43 |
| kerio | hsdpa | 14:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | kerio: use 2G | 14:44 |
| kerio | can't | 14:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-( | 14:44 |
| kerio | my operator uses 3g only | 14:44 |
| Corsac | kerio: that's why | 14:44 |
| Corsac | IM is a battery hog | 14:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | 3G is | 14:44 |
| kerio | 2g is roaming | 14:44 |
| Corsac | basically it won't let the device sleep | 14:44 |
| kerio | and i'd have to pay for data | 14:44 |
| Corsac | DocScrutinizer: even on wifi | 14:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | every single byte causes 30s of TX activity | 14:44 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer: who cares, there's more than a single byte in 30 seconds | 14:45 |
| kerio | xchat was open | 14:45 |
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| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: have you tried tcpdump? | 14:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | not on N900, but on OM | 14:45 |
| Termana | kerio, the less signal you have, the more power the 3G modem needs to draw | 14:45 |
| kerio | so it's the combination IM, 3g, bad coverage? | 14:45 |
| kerio | :( | 14:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | kerio: exactly | 14:46 |
| Corsac | and poor battery too | 14:46 |
| kerio | ok, plan B | 14:46 |
| kerio | i need a way to shield my laptop from the sand | 14:46 |
| kerio | ideas? | 14:46 |
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| Termana | thats a terrible idea | 14:46 |
| Termana | :P | 14:46 |
| * mgedmin suspects xchat is considerably worse than IM for battery life | 14:46 | |
| DocScrutinizer | on good coverage, GPRS, and IRC with low traffic I got >16h on a Openmoko FR | 14:46 |
| smackpotato | move to the rain forest | 14:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | mgedmin: depends | 14:46 |
| mgedmin | although I tend to lump IRC with high traffic and IM with low traffic | 14:47 |
| RST38h | it is not that bad | 14:47 |
| Corsac | mgedmin: never tried xchat, but trying with/without IM and comparing with battery eye is pretty much self-explanatory | 14:47 |
| RST38h | still has a few timers of course, but those tick slowly now | 14:47 |
| smackpotato | kerio | 14:47 |
| Corsac | mgedmin: even completely idle IM | 14:47 |
| mgedmin | Corsac, can you quantify that somehow? | 14:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | mgedmin: on those tests (above^^) I sent device to suspend after each packet immediately, and I've observed minutes of sleep periods | 14:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | on IRC | 14:47 |
| Corsac | mgedmin: I guess the keepalive stuff between the client and the server is the problem | 14:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | (xchat) | 14:48 |
| mgedmin | my n900 died yesterday in less than 12 hours without my using it... | 14:48 |
| kerio | smackpotato: what? | 14:48 |
| Corsac | mgedmin: I could make screenshots | 14:48 |
| Corsac | of battery-eye | 14:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | fsck battery-eye | 14:48 |
| Corsac | or extract some logs | 14:48 |
| mgedmin | Corsac, just a rough estimate (e.g. 3 hours longer without IM?) | 14:48 |
| Corsac | from its data store | 14:48 |
| smackpotato | move to the rainforest to protect your notebook from sand | 14:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | and "idle" means exactly nuttin on IM/IRC | 14:48 |
| Corsac | DocScrutinizer: I mean, without any conversation | 14:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | as there are pings, joins/quits and whatnot | 14:49 |
| Corsac | mgedmin: I would have to redo the tests | 14:49 |
| mgedmin | you don't remember? | 14:49 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer: freerunner or n900? | 14:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer | kerio: UH? | 14:49 |
| smackpotato | nevermid i didnt get sleep | 14:49 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer: what do you like best? | 14:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | N900 for sure | 14:50 |
| kerio | wait, no 3g on the freerunner? | 14:50 |
| kerio | wtf | 14:50 |
| Corsac | mgedmin: basically with IM on, on 3g, it barely lasted 12h, currently I don't use IM and it's at 50% after 12h but I'm not always 3g-connected so the comparison doesn't stand | 14:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | 3G, decent gfx-engine, decent hw-kbd... | 14:50 |
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| mgedmin | Corsac, thanks | 14:50 |
| mgedmin | hey, all my desktop widgets disappeared | 14:51 |
| mgedmin | did something crash? | 14:51 |
| mgedmin | correction: all 3rd-party desktop widgets are gone | 14:52 |
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| D-Iivil_Work | mgedmin, sounds like hildon-home crahsed and that makes all python widgets to disappear. | 14:53 |
| D-Iivil_Work | mgedmin, you need to manually re-add them, but good thing is that they will most likely be placed to the position they were before disappearing. | 14:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | kerio: FR has a Samsung 2442 CPU/SoC which doesn't know the smart zeroclock functions of OMAP. So only chance is to send device to suspend, to save some power :-/ | 14:53 |
| jacekowski | i'm just wondering if it would be possible to block all wakeups except required ones | 14:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: sure, if you know which are the "required ones" :-P | 14:54 |
| jacekowski | external ones + rtc | 14:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: that's the whole trick | 14:55 |
| jacekowski | so it would keep irc connection going | 14:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | no it wouldn't | 14:55 |
| jacekowski | why it wouldn't? | 14:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | client need to actively keep-alive ping server | 14:56 |
| * mgedmin doesnt' remember what widgets he had -- but maybe that's ok? | 14:56 | |
| jacekowski | not really | 14:56 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer: i use a bouncer | 14:56 |
| kerio | :) | 14:56 |
| jacekowski | server pings client | 14:56 |
| jacekowski | every 60 s | 14:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: yes, but that *may* drop | 14:56 |
| D-Iivil_Work | mgedmin, just start adding the widgets back to desktop from desktop editing mode, maybe you'll recall them when you see them on the list. | 14:56 |
| jacekowski | i think on freenode it's 120 | 14:56 |
| jacekowski | so server pings | 14:56 |
| jacekowski | phone wake ups | 14:57 |
| jacekowski | sends a pong | 14:57 |
| mgedmin | or I could see this as an opportunity to declutter my desktop and perhaps improve battery life | 14:57 |
| jacekowski | and goes back to sleep | 14:57 |
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| jacekowski | and some way of handling runaway processes | 14:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: you'll drop out of irc more often than you think | 14:57 |
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| jacekowski | so if something uses too much cpu it would get SIGSTOPped during sleep | 14:58 |
| Macer | SunOS alicia 5.11 snv_134 i86pc i386 i86pc | 14:58 |
| Macer | neet | 14:58 |
| jacekowski | so runaway process wouldn't drain a battery | 14:58 |
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| Macer | finally updated | 14:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: mhm, like watching videos? | 14:58 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: during sleep | 14:58 |
| alterego | Is it possible to get the N900's usb0 iface to always use the same mac? | 14:59 |
| jacekowski | alterego: yep | 14:59 |
| alterego | Presumably somewhere in udev or something? | 14:59 |
| jacekowski | nope | 14:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: how should device know you're asleep ? ;-P | 14:59 |
| jacekowski | udev has fuck all to do with it | 14:59 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: not when i'm sleepin | 14:59 |
| alterego | jacekowski: wish to enlighten me? :) | 14:59 |
| jacekowski | when phone is sleeping | 14:59 |
| jacekowski | alterego: RTFM | 14:59 |
| kerio | alterego: i'll bring up the wiki article | 14:59 |
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| jacekowski | alterego: it's in Documentation/ | 14:59 |
| kerio | http://wiki.maemo.org/USB_networking | 14:59 |
| kerio | there | 14:59 |
| alterego | Cheers | 14:59 |
| X-Fade | DocScrutinizer: Sleep pattern analyzer app ;) | 15:00 |
| kerio | wait, not that | 15:00 |
| jacekowski | kerio: not there | 15:00 |
| alterego | It just works really nicely with ubuntu/gnome/network-manager when the MAC is known :) | 15:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | X-Fade: yep :-D | 15:00 |
| jacekowski | alterego: that's not going to help | 15:00 |
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| kerio | there was another article | 15:00 |
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| kerio | http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_USB_networking | 15:00 |
| kerio | here | 15:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | irssi, knew it | 15:00 |
| X-Fade | Also no accelerometer changes for a longer period of time gives a clue. ;) | 15:00 |
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| alterego | Ah, okay. So I have to change /etc/network/interfaces and specify the hardware address myself to keep it consistent across reboots? | 15:01 |
| kerio | echo options g_nokia host_addr=00:11:22:33:44:55 > /etc/modprobe.d/g_nokia | 15:01 |
| kerio | you should use 02 though | 15:01 |
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| kerio | for "manually administered mac address" | 15:01 |
| kerio | since it's fake | 15:01 |
| alterego | Yeah, | 15:01 |
| alterego | Thanks alot. | 15:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | same on FR :-P | 15:02 |
| alterego | I've got a MAC generator I use for VMs, so that's fine :) | 15:02 |
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| jacekowski | hmmm | 15:02 |
| jacekowski | i don't think it's g_nokia | 15:02 |
| jacekowski | more like g_ether | 15:02 |
| kerio | works here | 15:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: :-P | 15:02 |
| kerio | :) | 15:02 |
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| Macer | no osx info on usb networking? | 15:02 |
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| kerio | Macer: as usual, it "just works" | 15:03 |
| kerio | :) | 15:03 |
| Macer | hah! | 15:03 |
| Termana | lol | 15:03 |
| kerio | set the MAC to a fixed address or it'll create a new interface every time you plug it in | 15:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | kerio: BIG FUN | 15:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | kerio: with ssh | 15:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer | kerio: and scripts | 15:03 |
| kerio | why? | 15:03 |
| Macer | i just wifi tether it | 15:03 |
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| kerio | tapping mobilehotspot is easier, yeah | 15:04 |
| kerio | :) | 15:04 |
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| alterego | kerio: it's not everytime it's plugged in, it's every reboot. | 15:04 |
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| Macer | g1 actually did usb tethering quite effortlessly | 15:04 |
| alterego | Actually it might be ifup/down cycle .. | 15:04 |
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| alterego | I can't remember if I actually tried that .. | 15:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | alterego: see | 15:04 |
| jacekowski | did i mention how much i hate wireless? | 15:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | alterego: every modprobe ? | 15:05 |
| kerio | wireless is awesome! | 15:05 |
| alterego | DocScrutinizer: yeah, that might be the case. | 15:05 |
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| jacekowski | kerio: it's awesomly slow | 15:06 |
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| kerio | the n900 needed gigE | 15:06 |
| jacekowski | well, usb networking can do 300Mbits | 15:06 |
| jacekowski | probably | 15:06 |
| kerio | it defaults to 10mbps here | 15:06 |
| kerio | :( | 15:06 |
| Termana | DocScrutinizer, This (what I'm about to say) sounds like a security flaw to me: | 15:07 |
| jacekowski | well negotiates at 425Mbits | 15:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | on OM iirc we had all three variants: iface USB0 nad ssh-knownhosts changing each time you plug another device, new interface for every device, and even new MAC on every plugin | 15:07 |
| jacekowski | Termana: usb networking is unsupported | 15:07 |
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| kerio | also, i think you need to enable it manually | 15:08 |
| Termana | DocScrutinizer, say I have an executable and i set the setuid bit with chmod and made it owned by root:root. Then I transfer that to another system with the permissions retained. Isn't that going to allow me to make my executable root on an unknown system? Or do filesystem drop the setuid bit when transfering? (unless your root on the new system) | 15:09 |
| kerio | Termana: can't drop something as root unless you're root | 15:09 |
| kerio | :) | 15:09 |
| kerio | well, except with nfs | 15:09 |
| b-man | ~ping MohammadAG51 | 15:09 |
| infobot | pong MohammadAG51 | 15:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | Termana: the foreign system should drop user/owner | 15:09 |
| kerio | but that implies all the machines are secured | 15:09 |
| jacekowski | Termana: well, you would have to be a root to create that file on different fs as root | 15:09 |
| jacekowski | Termana: and any modification to file drop setuid bit automaticaly anyways | 15:10 |
| Termana | kerio, so the new system won't let me transfer it, but what if I just execute it on my flash drive formatted as ext3 | 15:10 |
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| jacekowski | Termana: well, only root can mount | 15:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | mount is (8) | 15:10 |
| kerio | Termana: it's the sysadmin's fault for not specifying nosuid in the automounter | 15:10 |
| kerio | actually | 15:11 |
| kerio | noexec | 15:11 |
| kerio | noexec uid=nobody gid=nobody | 15:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | kerio just passed LP1 | 15:11 |
| Termana | kerio, ah right, so having automount add on the noexec option would stop that? (flash drive scenario) | 15:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-) | 15:11 |
| kerio | what? | 15:11 |
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| kerio | i read a nice series of articles on "hardening linux" on an italian linux magazine | 15:12 |
| kerio | (printed on paper! :o ) | 15:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Termana: a sane automounter is configured so it won't let you execute files from the mounted media, and system won't let you copy a root-owned file to an executable place | 15:13 |
| kerio | monolithic kernel, drop capabilities asap, anywhere the user can write mounted as noexec, no useless things *anywhere*, and grsecurity | 15:14 |
| kerio | (it was old) | 15:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | wtf grsecurity? | 15:14 |
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| Termana | DocScrutinizer, kernel patch - web servers use it sometimes I believe | 15:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm | 15:15 |
| Termana | Someone did it on an n900 though | 15:15 |
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| Corsac | kerio: http://natisbad.org/N900/n900-custom-kernel.html | 15:15 |
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| kerio | ooh how do i change my hostname? | 15:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | echo kdjxukjnqjkh >/etc/hostname ? | 15:16 |
| Corsac | and /etc/hosts | 15:17 |
| Termana | Corsac, thats the one. I believe its done by Tony Lindgren whos apart of linux-omap AFAIK | 15:17 |
| Corsac | nop | 15:17 |
| kerio | Corsac: it's not really needed on n900 | 15:17 |
| Corsac | this one is made by Arnaud Ébalard | 15:17 |
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| Termana | eh. Oh well, I thought Tony did most of the pages on there. | 15:18 |
| Treibholz | is there an alternative to zoutube? | 15:18 |
| * DocScrutinizer wonders if Intel or wetware processor will fry first..... WAAAAAH | 15:18 | |
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| Treibholz | zoutube is not really useable. | 15:19 |
| Corsac | Termana: the whole natisbad.org stuff is Arnaud's | 15:19 |
| Treibholz | those stupid iPhone-users always laugh at me, when I can't watch a video, but they can. | 15:20 |
| Corsac | Treibholz: tell them you have flash? :/ | 15:21 |
| Treibholz | Corsac: I don't want flash! | 15:21 |
| Termana | Corsac, that won't work. They are under the mind control of Jobs. | 15:21 |
| Treibholz | flash is only usefull for ads | 15:21 |
| Treibholz | and the n900 is to slow to play youtube-videos with the flash-player. | 15:22 |
| Termana | Treibholz, HTML5 youtube videos? | 15:22 |
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| joga | I think youtube works ok...it's just a bit choppy when it's buffering | 15:22 |
| Treibholz | Termana: microb has a h264-codec? | 15:22 |
| Kegetys | youtube flash works fine for me | 15:23 |
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| Termana | Treibholz, I don't know. Try it. And then try Firefox Mobile | 15:23 |
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| Treibholz | anyway, a useable youtube-application would really be nice. | 15:23 |
| Treibholz | Termana: and not all videos work with HTML5. | 15:24 |
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| kerio | the new youtube mobile looks awesome | 15:25 |
| Treibholz | generally: a youtube-app for netbooks would be cool, too. | 15:25 |
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| Treibholz | flash is so slow on linux, I can't watch the videos in the browser on my netbook. | 15:26 |
| Treibholz | what I want to say is: Flash is bullshit. | 15:26 |
| Treibholz | and nobody needs it. | 15:26 |
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| Macer | hahaha | 15:27 |
| kerio | go buy an ipad then | 15:27 |
| Treibholz | kerio: lacks a keyboard. :-) | 15:27 |
| Macer | doesnt youtube stream mo4 as well? | 15:27 |
| Macer | i figure there is some toutube app out there | 15:28 |
| Macer | mp4 | 15:28 |
| Treibholz | Macer: I can watch the videos with mplayer quite well, but c&p of the URL in the terminal is not really comfortable, | 15:28 |
| Macer | i mean another app | 15:28 |
| Macer | like a front end for it | 15:29 |
| Macer | there has to be one out there | 15:29 |
| Kegetys | I find the "XL" youtube interface to be better on the n900 than the "mobile" one | 15:29 |
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| evilbit | so, I'm thinking about buying a n900 but wanted to ask if it has a full featured calendar app (i need one for work). There don't seem to be any good choices for the n810 that will also use syncevolution | 15:32 |
| Stskeeps | calendar is ermm... interesting | 15:32 |
| Treibholz | the calendar has a lot of potential1 | 15:32 |
| kerio | Kegetys: does it work nicely? | 15:32 |
| Shapeshifter | nidO: do you find it weird, or did you even notice that the gems are all facing one way? I though maybe I should rotate them a random amount (like the smilies)... | 15:32 |
| Kegetys | kerio: works for me, although I dont really need youtube that often on it so I haven't used it that much | 15:33 |
| evilbit | heh, i guess i'm wondering if it's worth it to plop down $400/USD if the calendar is "interesting" lol | 15:33 |
| nidO | Shapeshifter: wasnt really a problem for me, you could randomise their orientation but that basically only affects the triangle diamond thing anyway doesnt it, the others are symmetyrical? | 15:33 |
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| Shapeshifter | nidO: indeed | 15:34 |
| evilbit | I've got a htc evo for testing right now... but I hate all of the "google-isms" required | 15:34 |
| Shapeshifter | nidO: I added a new game and now I also have 7 fruit symbols. I though may I'll randomize the appearance of either gems or fruits for the games that use images. | 15:34 |
| Shapeshifter | for added diversity | 15:34 |
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| Corsac | evilbit: if you're really after a full featured calendar, I don't think it'll fit | 15:35 |
| Shapeshifter | but fruit would definitely need rotating else they would all look kinda wrong | 15:35 |
| evilbit | Corsac: ok, thanks. :-) | 15:35 |
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| achipa | X-Fade: ping | 15:42 |
| X-Fade | achipa: pong | 15:44 |
| achipa | gah... just sent a mail... | 15:44 |
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| achipa | X-Fade: anyway, it seems mail notifications for super-tester promotions are not being sent | 15:44 |
| X-Fade | hehe | 15:44 |
| You-ma-the-fock | hehe | 15:44 |
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| achipa | X-Fade: and that's prolly also the reason people are not promoting.. they are not aware they can... | 15:45 |
| X-Fade | achipa: Ah, I see the issue in the code. | 15:46 |
| You-ma-the-fock | gougin | 15:46 |
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| kerio | do you guys use catorise or something like that? | 15:53 |
| kerio | does it work? | 15:53 |
| alterego | Yes, and does for me. | 15:53 |
| psycho_oreos | I do, it works for most cases, at least it keeps things tidy in whatever way it suits catorise | 15:53 |
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| Corsac | was there a maemo4 app which would display photos from the network using upnp or something like that? | 15:57 |
| Corsac | (to do some kind of digiframe stuff) | 15:58 |
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| DocScrutinizer | kerio: AppMeFo | 15:58 |
| Corsac | or maybe even an integrated app which would do rss reader, weather station, etc. | 15:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | kerio: WFM like a charm. Catorize is broken by design | 15:59 |
| D-Iivil_Work | DocScrutinizer, I'd be happy to have an app that would make possible to search apps using hw keyboard just like we can do with contacts. I mean straight from the desktop. | 15:59 |
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| D-Iivil_Work | Would make launching apps very intuitive and fast. | 15:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | D-Iivil_Work: uhmm, yes. Dunno, doesn't PR1.2 have that? | 16:00 |
| D-Iivil_Work | DocScrutinizer, no it does not. | 16:00 |
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| D-Iivil_Work | DocScrutinizer, allthough some websites did claim it does. | 16:00 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer: wfm? | 16:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | D-Iivil_Work: I mean, they even fscked up HAM to implement that general UI design | 16:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~wtf wfm | 16:01 |
| infobot | WFM: works for me | 16:01 |
| kerio | i see | 16:01 |
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| psycho_oreos | DocScrutinizer, you meant ApMeFo? | 16:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | psycho_oreos: probably yes | 16:03 |
| psycho_oreos | http://maemo.org/packages/view/apmefo/ | 16:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | D-Iivil_Work: confirmed, doesn't work. I as well seem to have read smewhere it should, but for me it doesn't | 16:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer | only doenside of ApMeFo: if you rearrange icons in main view, then all the apmefo drawers are disabled. Needed to re-enable them in apmefo config UI | 16:05 |
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| auenf | now this is weird: | 16:07 |
| auenf | got a CA-101 with my N82, and another CA-101 with my n900 | 16:07 |
| auenf | using the one that came with the N900, it doesnt charge the N900 using any usb port on my phone | 16:08 |
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| auenf | but the one that came with the N82 charges the N900 fine in the exact same ports | 16:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer | blaerrgh, apmefo isn't a product in bugtracker, so no ticket I could possibly open :-/ | 16:14 |
| timeless_mbp | auenf: how many usb ports do you have on your phone? | 16:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer | auenf: that sounds outright weird | 16:15 |
| tybollt | timeless_mbp: would a powered usb-hub "work" on the N900? | 16:15 |
| timeless_mbp | tybollt: people have indicated they'd done it | 16:16 |
| timeless_mbp | for the n800 (?) we used hacked usb-hubs iirc | 16:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | auenf: charging depends on D+/- datalines of CA-101 either enable ENUM data transfer to host, or signal shortcircuit in dedicated charger. If a CA-101 doesn't work for charging where another one does, I'd bet it's a broken cable | 16:16 |
| timeless_mbp | powered but w/ some change to how things were wired | 16:16 |
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| DocScrutinizer | tybollt: depends on your definition of "works" | 16:17 |
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| auenf | DocScrutinizer, cable had never been used before ;) | 16:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | tybollt: works for what? | 16:18 |
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| auenf | the ca-101 that came with the n82 has been used many of times | 16:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | tybollt: for charging N900 on a downstream port of powered hub -> won't work without hacks (see above line to auenf ) | 16:19 |
| tybollt | BME ones or hardware? | 16:19 |
| tybollt | ah see now | 16:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | auenf: as a powered hub doesn't ENUM nor has it D+/- short | 16:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | ooops | 16:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | tybollt: ^^^ | 16:20 |
| auenf | err, im pluggin directly into the front and/or rear ports :P | 16:20 |
| tybollt | Oui oui | 16:20 |
| tybollt | rear ports... o_O | 16:20 |
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| auenf | when the front port said not enough power, i pulled something else out of the back to try | 16:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | auenf: CA-101 is a standard USB cable with no special gimmicks | 16:21 |
| auenf | when that didnt work, i tried my powered hub (monitor) | 16:21 |
| auenf | then i gave up and tried to find my older cable ;) | 16:21 |
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| auenf | yup, it *should* be just a simple usb cable | 16:22 |
| kerio | broken cable | 16:22 |
| auenf | obviously this other one is DOA | 16:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | tybollt: for hostmode and N900 linked to upstream port of powered hub, things are a bit different | 16:22 |
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| Corsac | hmhm, seems that displaying remote pictures from n810/n900 isn't something people are interested in | 16:23 |
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| PhonicUK | hey all | 16:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | hey | 16:23 |
| auenf | Corsac, n810 filemanager over bluetooth? | 16:23 |
| jacekowski | any idea what is an EBS? | 16:23 |
| PhonicUK | I tried Mupen64 w/ PS3 controller and TV-Out yesterday | 16:24 |
| PhonicUK | was awesome :D | 16:24 |
| jacekowski | EXPORT cal_nand_scan_ebs | 16:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: a TLA | 16:24 |
| jacekowski | in libcal | 16:24 |
| Corsac | auenf: I'd like something more automatic | 16:24 |
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| Corsac | auenf: as my n810 is currently idle, I'd like to use it as a digiframe/rss-reader/weather-station/... | 16:25 |
| Corsac | to have it sitting on a desk, plugged in, and display its informations in cycle | 16:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | erroneaous block search | 16:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | europe barbeque session | 16:26 |
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| jacekowski | oh | 16:37 |
| jacekowski | fun | 16:37 |
| jacekowski | OMFG | 16:37 |
| jacekowski | ROTFL | 16:37 |
| jacekowski | bme is using software floating point | 16:38 |
| jacekowski | instead of using vfpu | 16:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | bme is using float? WTF? | 16:38 |
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| DocScrutinizer | hope it will keep fingers out of DSP | 16:39 |
| jacekowski | well you need floating point math for all battery calculations | 16:40 |
| Stskeeps | uhm, vfp is software floating point? :P | 16:40 |
| jacekowski | no | 16:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: another indication of bme being a totally braindamaged steaming oile of shit | 16:40 |
| * Termana smacks BME's fingers, "keep your fingers out of that DSP young man" :P | 16:40 | |
| jacekowski | Stskeeps: but bme is not using it | 16:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: you need WHAT? | 16:40 |
| jacekowski | Stskeeps: bme has 70 instructions long function doing FDIV | 16:41 |
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| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: floating point or double | 16:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | float for a stupid set of divisions and multiplications you easily can do in even 32bit int? | 16:41 |
| jacekowski | well, you could | 16:42 |
| jacekowski | but they went float way | 16:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | no, you shalt | 16:42 |
| jacekowski | so why are they doing software float | 16:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | because they were noobs | 16:42 |
| jacekowski | instead of using dedicated hardware | 16:42 |
| jacekowski | hmm i could report a bug | 16:42 |
| jacekowski | i could report a lot bugs | 16:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | noobs, botchers, lazy uninspired skiddies | 16:43 |
| Termana | Rage against the mach^H^H Nokia | 16:43 |
| Stskeeps | FDIV is VFP.. | 16:43 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 16:43 |
| jacekowski | Stskeeps: it should be | 16:43 |
| Stskeeps | it is | 16:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | Termana: bme isn't Nokia, it's subcontractors | 16:44 |
| jacekowski | Stskeeps: but arm gcc defaults to not using vfp | 16:44 |
| jacekowski | Stskeeps: and it's generating ARM equivalent | 16:44 |
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| Stskeeps | err.. no, on v7 it defaults to it, and on v6+vfp too | 16:44 |
| jacekowski | Stskeeps: and don't argue with me | 16:44 |
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| jacekowski | i see the code | 16:44 |
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| Stskeeps | jacekowski: http://infocenter.arm.com/help/index.jsp?topic=/com.arm.doc.dui0068b/Bcffiigf.html | 16:45 |
| achipa | X-Fade: will there be an option/possibility to send out notifications to the folks whose packages have already been unlocked ? | 16:45 |
| Stskeeps | as well as http://www.mjmwired.net/kernel/Documentation/arm/VFP/release-notes.txt | 16:46 |
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| X-Fade | achipa: It will automatically do that for the ones unlocked by testers. | 16:46 |
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| * DocScrutinizer wonders what jacekowski hopes to learn from dissecting bme? How to code buggy wrong poorly designed programms? | 16:47 | |
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| jacekowski | Stskeeps: fact - BME has software version of FDIV | 16:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | fact - BME is a pile of shit | 16:48 |
| Stskeeps | yes, of course, it's built against v6+vfp | 16:48 |
| achipa | X-Fade: er, yes, but does this apply to those whom this has already happened and have not received the mails ? | 16:48 |
| Stskeeps | and v7 isn't on hardfloat | 16:48 |
| X-Fade | achipa: Yes. | 16:48 |
| MiXu- | Is someone already working on building a replacement for bme? :) | 16:48 |
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| X-Fade | achipa: As they don't have the mailed flag set yet. | 16:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | MiXu-: yes | 16:49 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: that bsi would be nice, and we don't know bme proto | 16:49 |
| achipa | X-Fade: yay ! | 16:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: bsi is nonsense cargo cult, and for protocol ask Stskeeps | 16:49 |
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| X-Fade | achipa: Also added: Status: Promotion unlocked, waiting for maintainter to promote | 16:50 |
| X-Fade | achipa: To the package page. | 16:50 |
| PhonicUK | has anyone tried Wipeout64 in Mupen? | 16:50 |
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| lcuk | X-Fade, is there any reason why promotion cannot come from automated means? | 16:50 |
| achipa | X-Fade: (Y) | 16:50 |
| X-Fade | lcuk: Yes, as that is not always what someone wants. | 16:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer | X-Fade: are you in charge of display for user karma? | 16:51 |
| lcuk | sure | 16:51 |
| X-Fade | lcuk: maintainer has last say. | 16:51 |
| * lcuk nods | 16:51 | |
| DocScrutinizer | konttori: o/ | 16:51 |
| PhonicUK | lol Mupen made my N900 reboot :\ | 16:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer | tzz | 16:51 |
| X-Fade | DocScrutinizer: I can be ;) | 16:52 |
| konttori | hi | 16:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | hi | 16:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | X-Fade: watch http://maemo.org/profile/view/joerg_rw/ and tell me what rationale the length of 'favourites' bar - please :-) | 16:53 |
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| X-Fade | DocScrutinizer: There is a bug about that. It is just a bar ;) | 16:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | k :-P | 16:53 |
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| DocScrutinizer | lo lcuk :) | 16:54 |
| lcuk | hey DocScrutinizer \o | 16:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | konttori: any news about EngineeringMode for cellmo (the more technical details like list of neighbour cells etc)? | 16:56 |
| konttori | DocScrutinizer: well, looks like meego is moving to ophono, so, you'll get it at least then | 16:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | mhm | 16:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | a pity as quite a number of projects need this and won't work on maemo then | 16:58 |
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| DocScrutinizer | e.g openBmap | 16:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer | konttori: or http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=740422#post740422 (^f konttori) | 17:00 |
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| konttori | well, i promised we would look into it. | 17:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-D | 17:02 |
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| konttori | unfortunately because of shift in the targets of fremantle maintenance, that support addition could not make it anymore after the new scopes and the cellmo team pretty much started focusing only on harmattan | 17:02 |
| konttori | somewhere in March-ish | 17:03 |
| Stskeeps | should be possible to talk to the ofono guys, at least - we're doing a lot of n900 related celluar stuff | 17:03 |
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| konttori | akiniemi can help you guys hook up to the right people. he's "the man" on that area | 17:05 |
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| jacekowski | oO | 17:09 |
| jacekowski | [66850.279754] cfg80211: Regulatory domain changed to country: EU | 17:09 |
| jacekowski | [67451.521362] cfg80211: Regulatory domain changed to country: US | 17:09 |
| jacekowski | [68052.822784] cfg80211: Regulatory domain changed to country: EU | 17:09 |
| jacekowski | just like that without my help | 17:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | lol | 17:09 |
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| DocScrutinizer | wlan regulatory doman switching is a mess, I heard | 17:10 |
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| PhonicUK | wooot, Wipeout64 looks odd in Mupen | 17:10 |
| PhonicUK | fast though | 17:11 |
| PhonicUK | this with the accelerometer is my must-have game | 17:11 |
| jacekowski | http://maemo.org/packages/view/fmrdsnotify/ | 17:11 |
| jacekowski | ??? | 17:11 |
| * DocScrutinizer sobs for mokomaze missing on N900 | 17:11 | |
| jacekowski | fmrdsnotify 0.4Fremantle Extras-devel free armelPackage has been removedSystem2010-07-01 10:34 UTC | 17:12 |
| jacekowski | ??? | 17:12 |
| jacekowski | why it was removed? | 17:12 |
| mirf | PhonicUK: what's mupen? | 17:12 |
| PhonicUK | the N64 emulator | 17:12 |
| mirf | ooh | 17:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | maybe eaten somebody's cat? | 17:13 |
| PhonicUK | it works quite well | 17:13 |
| mirf | sounds cool | 17:13 |
| mirf | slightly jerky I bet? | 17:13 |
| X-Fade | jacekowski: Hmm because it depended on qt4-maemo5-, I guess :) | 17:13 |
| PhonicUK | not on all games | 17:13 |
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| PhonicUK | Mario 64 is full speed | 17:13 |
| PhonicUK | and a few others too | 17:13 |
| X-Fade | jacekowski: Seems that that is a case of string matching gone wrong.. | 17:13 |
| mirf | I'd be more tempted to try the psx emu | 17:14 |
| PhonicUK | I would if it worked :P | 17:14 |
| mirf | ah | 17:14 |
| mirf | :( | 17:14 |
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| PhonicUK | theres 2 PSX emus, but none of them are really playable | 17:14 |
| mirf | pants | 17:14 |
| PhonicUK | things will probably get better if PSX4Pandora is ported | 17:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer | heh, so all kittens alive :-D | 17:14 |
| PhonicUK | Mupen64 is really good though | 17:14 |
| PhonicUK | super smash bros :D | 17:15 |
| mirf | cool I'll get on it | 17:15 |
| PhonicUK | mirf, make sure to read the forum thread about it | 17:15 |
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| PhonicUK | theres important stuff there | 17:15 |
| mirf | I just installed debian so I can get developing on n900 | 17:15 |
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| achipa | X-Fade: got the pomotion mail \o/ | 17:15 |
| mirf | I'm pretty sure it hates my network card | 17:15 |
| achipa | now let's see that extras promotion landrush... | 17:15 |
| PhonicUK | woot tonic trouble works xD | 17:15 |
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| Termana | PhonicUK, re: PSX4Pandora - why not just use the Pandora distro (I can't remember exactly their setup) in a chroot? | 17:16 |
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| PhonicUK | Termana, they use Angstrom - and because of the effort involved :P | 17:17 |
| X-Fade | jacekowski: restored, should show up again at some point. | 17:17 |
| mirf | yeah seems a bit overkill just to play some psx games | 17:17 |
| X-Fade | achipa: Good. | 17:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | somebody got an aircondition to lend? | 17:17 |
| achipa | DocScrutinizer: it would only make things worse :) | 17:18 |
| Termana | effort involved? Are you jerking me around? Some mounts here, some .so copying there and your practically done | 17:18 |
| X-Fade | achipa: You can now see the unlocked packages in the qa list as they have green karma. | 17:18 |
| Termana | DocScrutinizer, I have a heater for you :) MAWAHAHA | 17:18 |
| Appiah | would not mind a chroot made just for gaming | 17:18 |
| jacekowski | it's pissing down here | 17:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | Termana: gimme, will hide in the shade | 17:18 |
| jacekowski | and it apparently will continue for couple days | 17:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: where? | 17:19 |
| jacekowski | essex | 17:19 |
| jacekowski | colchester | 17:19 |
| jacekowski | UK | 17:19 |
| Termana | DocScrutinizer is moving | 17:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | hrrm | 17:19 |
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| Termana | :P | 17:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | actually I considered that yesterday | 17:19 |
| jacekowski | where do you live? | 17:19 |
| barisione | hi, the buildbot complains about “REJECTED: 'File size for /mnt/incoming-builder/fremantle/ringtoned_0.1.1-0.tar.gz does not match that specified in .dsc'”. I think it's because the uploadd failed and I repeated it. is there a way to resubmit the same version? | 17:19 |
| Termana | DocScrutinizer, because of the weather? | 17:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~weather EDDN | 17:19 |
| infobot | Nuernberg, Germany; (EDDN) 49-30N 011-03E 318M; last updated: 2010.07.12 1350 UTC; Dew Point: 57 F (14 C); Pressure (altimeter): 29.88 in. Hg (1012 hPa); Relative Humidity: 30%; Temperature: 93 F (34 C); Visibility: greater than 7 mile(s); Wind: from the S (190 degrees) at 5 MPH (4 KT) | 17:20 |
| Termana | DocScrutinizer let me learn you something | 17:20 |
| X-Fade | barisione: upload probably didn't complete then. | 17:20 |
| achipa | X-Fade: sweet... who says you have no design skills :) | 17:20 |
| jacekowski | barisione: checksums are incorrect in your case | 17:20 |
| X-Fade | achipa: Hehe well I wanted an icon, but that is for later ;) | 17:20 |
| barisione | X-Fade, jacekowski: yeah, but how do I repeat the upload? | 17:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | add to that the downtown bonus of another 5°C | 17:20 |
| Termana | DocScrutinizer, don't move to Australia - the weather fluctuates. One day is sunny and warm, the next freezing cold | 17:20 |
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| X-Fade | barisione: just dput it again? | 17:20 |
| barisione | X-Fade: Package has already been uploaded to fremantle-extras-builder on drop.maemo.org | 17:21 |
| barisione | Nothing more to do for ringtoned_0.1.1-0_armel.changes | 17:21 |
| Termana | it's* | 17:21 |
| E0x | hmm i have fmms installed and i set my phone to automatic connection ( wifi or data celullar ) when not wifi around is get connect to the MMS connection that fmms create is anyway that i can set priority to a connection or can i delete the connection that fmms create ? | 17:21 |
| X-Fade | barisione: Use scp then? | 17:21 |
| E0x | or the only way is uninstall fmms ? | 17:21 |
| achipa | DocScrutinizer: you've got 3 degrees on me, but I have 52% (and rising) humidity | 17:22 |
| X-Fade | barisione: Or the web interface: https://garage.maemo.org/extras-assistant/index.php | 17:22 |
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| barisione | ah, let's try with scp | 17:22 |
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| E0x | forget my question i find the solution at the wiki | 17:23 |
| barisione | ah, and dput has a --force option | 17:23 |
| barisione | interesting | 17:23 |
| X-Fade | barisione: hehe, makes sense too. | 17:23 |
| * DocScrutinizer trying to move his arse to head out to a nicely AC'd shopping mall | 17:23 | |
| barisione | thanks, I used scp and it worked. next time I will use --force | 17:23 |
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| jacekowski | hmm | 17:26 |
| jacekowski | how would i make rds_ps dynamic | 17:26 |
| jacekowski | and push all info there | 17:26 |
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| DocScrutinizer | HOORAY Nokia <marketing@comms.ovi.com> is sending me SPAM | 17:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | HTML-only mail BS | 17:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | spamassassin rating 5.5 | 17:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | fuggit | 17:34 |
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| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: you're good on giberish ;-P | 17:37 |
| jacekowski | nah, i'm not going to decode that mail for you | 17:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'm not going to google rds_ps for you | 17:37 |
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| DocScrutinizer | not even for me ;-D | 17:38 |
| jacekowski | rds_ps - station name displayed on radio | 17:38 |
| jacekowski | and i want something that most of stations do | 17:38 |
| jacekowski | which is scrolling text there ( it's non conforming to specification but fuck it ) | 17:39 |
| * DocScrutinizer shrugs | 17:39 | |
| DocScrutinizer | seen that... failing | 17:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer | non-conforming to specs means that *may* work with your particular model of receiver | 17:41 |
| jacekowski | well, spec says that it can change | 17:41 |
| jacekowski | just not too often because it might distract the driver | 17:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes, but spec doesn't say how often, and how fast it's polled | 17:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | so you'll find receivers that do a really bad job at scrolling text there | 17:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | actually virtually all receivers will fail to display a useful scrolling, by whatever definition | 17:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | of useful | 17:44 |
| jacekowski | anyways i'm going back to playing with cal | 17:44 |
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| jacekowski | i need some gui to modify it easily | 17:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | mhm | 17:44 |
| jacekowski | and somehow get names of all blocks there | 17:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | evil hax0r | 17:44 |
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| jacekowski | and then make it public | 17:45 |
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| jacekowski | without any warnings | 17:45 |
| X-Fade | I even have a radio with 7 chars to display rds ;) | 17:45 |
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| jacekowski | and see how many people will break their phones by touching config block | 17:45 |
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| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: you share apartment with titan? | 17:46 |
| jacekowski | because nolo will refuse to boot if it's damaged | 17:46 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: who he is? | 17:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | powerkernel | 17:47 |
| jacekowski | any links? | 17:47 |
| * DocScrutinizer shrugs | 17:47 | |
| jacekowski | you mentioned the name | 17:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | search in HAM - fsckng powerkernel is in extras now | 17:48 |
| jacekowski | ham and search | 17:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's like selling kits with Acetone and H2O2 to people, and tell them "it's relatively safe substances, just don't mix" | 17:50 |
| jacekowski | well, i'm surprised that you recommended searching in HAM | 17:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer | "powerkernel doesn't do any OC by default. User has to set that, and read the warnings when doing so" - - - "OC tool let's you select the max cpu clockfreq easily from a GUI. Just read the warning that come with powerkernel" | 17:53 |
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| GAN900 | Maemo: Where EVERYTHING is in maintenance mode! | 17:55 |
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| pronto | even google! | 17:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | GAN900: extras repo *IS* supposed to be safe and no need to read lengthy wiki pages with warnings prior to installing&using whatever comes in extras | 17:57 |
| GAN900 | Fremantle had such a tiny window of opportunity. | 17:58 |
| GAN900 | Then Nokia just tossed everybody out on their asses. | 17:58 |
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| DocScrutinizer | hell, that's WRONG when I could get an autodistruct app into extras when only it's optified and gets 10 votes | 17:58 |
| X-Fade | DocScrutinizer: You suggesting we remove 'rm' or dd too? | 17:59 |
| LjL | hello. is the system software on an N810 and an N900 totally open source, or are there bits and pieces (like hardware drivers) that aren't? what about the telephony stack on the 900? | 18:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | "what, your device gone BOOM? X-P NOOB! didn't you read the wiki warnings about autodist?" | 18:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer | X-Fade: no, but I suggest we keep out of extras any app that makes it mandatory to read wikipages, so user understands what he must not do with this app | 18:01 |
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| X-Fade | DocScrutinizer: It doesn't do anything by default. | 18:02 |
| X-Fade | DocScrutinizer: You need to read the wiki anyway to do something useful. | 18:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | X-Fade: yes, like acetone | 18:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer | X-Fade: nope, I've been told OC is just a click away, after you installed powerkernel with config gui | 18:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | kernel=acetone, GUI=peroxide | 18:03 |
| X-Fade | DocScrutinizer: Foot, gun, aim ;) | 18:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer | X-Fade: nah, keep it, or I won't find any more victims to bash up&down the channel for OC without any clue | 18:04 |
| Stskeeps | LjL: no, telephony stack is getting opened though. fremantle is about 43% open source. for n900, follow the meego on n900 project | 18:05 |
| Stskeeps | LjL: wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900 | 18:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | X-Fade: just make sure you're prepared and got your asbestos underwear when Nokia managers call for meeting about why N900 has no revenue due to excessive repair on warranty | 18:06 |
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| LjL | thanks | 18:06 |
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| GAN900 | DocScrutinizer, with as little support as they've provided for the platform, I doubt very much a few OCers will blow away the profits. *eg* | 18:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | X-Fade: don't expect Nokia EE will take the blame. They will clearly prove they built a industry standard device, and also informed sw engineers about how to handle it | 18:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer | GAN900: I'm not sure they are just a few. And service due to constant segfaults of whatever system daemon, just because some gate ran out of spec due to OC and fails 10 out of 100, that for sure will eventually pile up on management's desk | 18:12 |
| Lullen | How do I select multiple items with a qlistview? | 18:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | hold shift? ;-P | 18:13 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: well, n900 isn't average user device | 18:13 |
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| Lullen | I mean with code :) | 18:13 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: tbh i think it's more like 7650 was | 18:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: ask nokia, they will tell you contrary | 18:13 |
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| GAN900 | DocScrutinizer, well, let's consider it payback for all the money they've saved by putting the platform and the website into maintenance mode 8 months after release. | 18:13 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: test device with lot of stuff to see how it works and what people think | 18:13 |
| GAN900 | clearly it's not a device intended to last longer than that. :P | 18:14 |
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| nidO | low number of people dumb enough to claim warranty on a low percentage of dead devices in the timeframe most people replace them from a low percentage of devices that get overclocked from a device that's sold in small numbers to a niche market = not a huge loss for nokia to reject some warranties | 18:14 |
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| jacekowski | that too | 18:15 |
| jacekowski | i don't think that running it overclocked will make it fail | 18:15 |
| jacekowski | well not when warranty is valid | 18:15 |
| jacekowski | btw. is it year or 2? | 18:15 |
| nidO | it wont, its just that some will fail earlier than they otherwise would | 18:15 |
| nidO | depends where you are, throughout the eu it's 2 years | 18:16 |
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| GAN900 | jacekowski, depends in your locale. | 18:16 |
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| jacekowski | i'm just wondering if i could claim it from my insurance | 18:17 |
| jacekowski | as accidental damage | 18:17 |
| nidO | that would probably get complicated | 18:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: easy. OC to 1GHz and run aircrack on it to really use the CPU and membus. Then I bet you can test if your assurance will pay - very soon | 18:19 |
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| jacekowski | i could ask them | 18:19 |
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| nidO | if you ask them, you've already voided any chance youll have of claiming it | 18:19 |
| nidO | you intentionally overclock the device, the onus is on you not knowing doing so would damage the device | 18:20 |
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| nidO | but asking them if damaging the device in that way is covered by insurance is an implicit admission that you know doing so might damage it | 18:20 |
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| DocScrutinizer | nidO: ack, except s/its just that some will fail/its just that all will fail/ | 18:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer | and you don't know exactly when that is going to happen | 18:22 |
| nidO | the insurance policy will state that it doesnt cover situations where you intentionally do something you know might reasonably damage your insured product | 18:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | but seems TI does | 18:22 |
| jacekowski | nidO: well, using a stylus on screen causes scratches | 18:23 |
| nidO | if you're brutal with the screen yes | 18:23 |
| jacekowski | nidO: but it's covered by the insurance | 18:23 |
| nidO | i've been using a stylus on my n900 since early february and mine's still pristine | 18:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | my only scatch isn't from stylus :-P | 18:24 |
| jacekowski | mine is scratched little bit | 18:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's from a grain of dust on my fnger | 18:24 |
| jacekowski | and i have one hole in a screen | 18:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | haircross target app? X-P | 18:24 |
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| dreda | Has there been any official mention of a Japanese IME for Maemo? | 18:25 |
| nidO | frankly if it came down to it, your safer bet if the phone dies from being oc'd would be to take up running, accidentally not secure the phone in your pocket very well, and run until you drop it | 18:26 |
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| kerio | heh | 18:27 |
| jacekowski | well 3 deeper scratches | 18:27 |
| jacekowski | 1 hole | 18:27 |
| jacekowski | small hole | 18:27 |
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| kerio | or just ask for the warranty | 18:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: WTF? thought that r-ts is oil-separated | 18:28 |
| kerio | apply 220V ad libitum on the SoC | 18:28 |
| jacekowski | r-ts? | 18:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | resistive touchscreen | 18:28 |
| jacekowski | not that deep hole | 18:28 |
| jacekowski | btw. how much does that r-ts cost? | 18:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | err I seem to remember ~60EUR | 18:29 |
| nidO | in the uk you can get replacements bought and fitted for £50-£75 | 18:29 |
| jacekowski | what about nokia care centre? | 18:29 |
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| nidO | generally the higher end of that kinda figure | 18:30 |
| jacekowski | hmm, i'll send them an e-mail | 18:32 |
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| jacekowski | or call | 18:32 |
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| Bluewind | where can I find the ipp backend for cups (n900)? doesn't seem to be in the cups/cups-common packages | 18:37 |
| GNU\caust1c | is there a way to block contacts/msgs in the jabber client? | 18:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | X-Fade: btw there's (almost) nothing you could destroy by using dd or rm, that couldn't be fixed by user with a standard flashing of rootfs. Even scratch the "(almost)" for things that are permanently broken and need hw fix | 18:38 |
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| Shapeshifter | Khertan: you around? | 18:39 |
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| PhonicUK | has anyone tried installing Mer on their device? | 18:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | mer is called meego now | 18:40 |
| PhonicUK | eeh? | 18:40 |
| PhonicUK | I thought Meego = nokia offical, Mer = community built | 18:41 |
| PhonicUK | ah i see now | 18:41 |
| PhonicUK | has anyone tried installing Meego on their device? | 18:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | /join #meego-arm | 18:42 |
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| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: well | 18:44 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: if cal is fucked up nolo will refuse to boot | 18:44 |
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| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: allegedly, yes | 18:45 |
| LjL | wait... if Mer "is" MeeGo, how come Mer works on the N810, and MeeGo so far doesn't? Or am i wrong about the former? | 18:45 |
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| Stskeeps | it isn't, DocScrutinizer is generalising | 18:46 |
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| Stskeeps | mer is dead. meego is the successor | 18:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: I'd bet there's an 'image' to restore cal. probably even for flasher & jig | 18:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: maybe there's even a secret R&D flag option for NOLO to use a default cal and boot nevertheless, or at least enter flashing mode so you can flash cal via NOLO | 18:48 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: there isn't | 18:48 |
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| Stskeeps | there's cold flashing | 18:48 |
| Stskeeps | not sure if it works without a working nolo, though | 18:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: does cold flashing use a special jig | 18:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | ? | 18:49 |
| Stskeeps | just uart | 18:49 |
| jacekowski | well i have a way of writing anywhere trough nolo | 18:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | mhm | 18:49 |
| jacekowski | including directly writing to cal | 18:50 |
| jacekowski | but it will still need working config | 18:50 |
| jacekowski | i mean not working working | 18:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | aiui OMAP has a way to load some executable directly from UART | 18:50 |
| jacekowski | but config with correct checksum | 18:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | then execute that | 18:50 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: not in default boot order | 18:50 |
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| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: in default one it will go to nolo before uart | 18:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer | mhm, so probably it needs shorting 2 testpads to switch that | 18:51 |
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| jacekowski | hmmm | 18:53 |
| kerio | is there a way to brick a n900? | 18:53 |
| jacekowski | it looks like there are 2 kinds of cal | 18:53 |
| jacekowski | kerio: yes | 18:53 |
| jacekowski | kerio: dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/mtd0 | 18:53 |
| jacekowski | kerio: and it's a brick | 18:53 |
| kerio | no way to recover? | 18:53 |
| jacekowski | not with usb cable | 18:54 |
| jacekowski | nokia can flash it | 18:54 |
| kerio | what's mtd0? | 18:54 |
| jacekowski | partition on nand | 18:54 |
| jacekowski | with nolo | 18:54 |
| Stskeeps | if you intentionally saw over your leaf, you're stupd | 18:55 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 18:55 |
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| b-man | that's how i nuked my N800 lol | 18:55 |
| b-man | messed up mtd0 | 18:55 |
| jacekowski | oO | 18:56 |
| jacekowski | there are 2 types of cal | 18:56 |
| alterego | Is it possible to get usb networking to ifup when it's connected via usb and ifdown when disconnected? | 18:56 |
| slonopotamus | btw | 18:56 |
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| jacekowski | one that libcal is touching and prototypes are avaliable | 18:56 |
| jacekowski | and there is other one | 18:56 |
| alterego | Presumably using udev? :) | 18:56 |
| jacekowski | that nolo is using as well | 18:56 |
| slonopotamus | anyone can share /dev/mtd1 backup? :) | 18:56 |
| slonopotamus | lost mine somewhere | 18:56 |
| jacekowski | and there are no prototypes for it for libcal ( but libcal is exporting required functions ) | 18:57 |
| alterego | slonopotamus: just download the fiasco image ... | 18:57 |
| jacekowski | alterego: mtd1 == cal | 18:57 |
| jacekowski | alterego: it's not in fiasco image | 18:57 |
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| alterego | Ah | 18:57 |
| slonopotamus | btw, that's total crap that backup tool doesn't backup cal. | 18:58 |
| jacekowski | cal isn't supposed to be touched by userspace | 18:59 |
| Stskeeps | erm.. | 18:59 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 18:59 |
| Stskeeps | it is, though | 18:59 |
| Stskeeps | by dsme and co | 18:59 |
| jacekowski | well i mean nothing there shouldn't be stored | 18:59 |
| jacekowski | ehhh | 18:59 |
| jacekowski | you know what i mean | 19:00 |
| alterego | There's a lot of phonet debugging output in dmesg. It's kind of annoying .. | 19:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer | not really :-P | 19:00 |
| evilbit | does anyone use gpe_calendar with syncevolution? | 19:00 |
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| dotblank[laptop] | why is bootscreen removed from the repos? | 19:04 |
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| Bluewind | which package contains cups' ipp backend? | 19:05 |
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| nidO | dotblank[laptop], because it depended on libqt4-maemo5 | 19:06 |
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| dotblank[laptop] | nidO, oh ok... | 19:08 |
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| SpeedEvil | Does anyone happen to know of an open-source keyboard noises -> keystrokes app? That is that detects the noises of the keystrokes, and performs modeling of what the keys might be? | 19:31 |
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| RST38h | http://www.blogcdn.com/www.tuaw.com/media/2010/07/tuaw-iphone4-dslr-07-07-2010.jpg | 19:34 |
| * RST38h laughs satanically | 19:34 | |
| SpeedEvil | :) | 19:37 |
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| RST38h | Gentlemen, I am sorry to ask again, but could all the interested parties vote here: http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/fbreader/0.10.7-13/ | 19:42 |
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| kerio | what does that do? | 19:43 |
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| SpeedEvil | It reads books. | 19:45 |
| SpeedEvil | Well - enables you to read books. | 19:46 |
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| SpeedEvil | I mean - it enables you to view books on screen - it does not teach you magically to read. | 19:46 |
| SpeedEvil | Though I suspect most people using IRC can read. | 19:46 |
| sheepbat | ...I never learned to read or write... | 19:47 |
| SpeedEvil | Not all people - there are people who can't read and use IRC | 19:48 |
| * RST38h is actually against teaching people write | 19:48 | |
| mgedmin | RST38h, what's new? | 19:48 |
| sheepbat | clearly, RST38h | 19:48 |
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| mgedmin | in that version of fbreader? | 19:48 |
| RST38h | It is helpful to teach them to read though | 19:48 |
| RST38h | mgedmin: compared to -12? | 19:48 |
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| mgedmin | yes | 19:49 |
| SpeedEvil | IMO some rudimentary writing ability is needed | 19:49 |
| RST38h | mgedmin: I have fixed the zlibrary dependency, as it made App Manager "forget" to install the latest library | 19:49 |
| mgedmin | ah, only packaging changes then | 19:49 |
| RST38h | mgedmin: Still, it is important | 19:49 |
| mgedmin | yes | 19:49 |
| RST38h | mgedmin: -11 fixes the stall when loading a book on startup | 19:49 |
| mgedmin | woohoo | 19:49 |
| SpeedEvil | Woo! | 19:49 |
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| RST38h | mgedmin: And adds scroll-by-drag | 19:49 |
| SpeedEvil | Does it take away the existing scroll behaviour? | 19:50 |
| mgedmin | I've discovered recently that the stall-when-loading can be shortened if you tap the screen/press a key | 19:50 |
| RST38h | mgedmin: Which is the first really reliable touch-scrolling mechanism in Maemo5 | 19:50 |
| mgedmin | but it'll be much nicer to be rid of it altogether | 19:50 |
| RST38h | mgedmin: Yea, it was hanging in a blocking gtk+ loop | 19:50 |
| RST38h | mgedmin: I made it non-blocking and that fixed it | 19:50 |
| RST38h | Speed: No, scroll-by-drag is optional, but enabled by default | 19:51 |
| SpeedEvil | ah | 19:51 |
| mgedmin | maybe the table of contents will become usable | 19:52 |
| mgedmin | I hate it how tap-to-scroll takes precedence over tap-to-follow-link | 19:52 |
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| RST38h | it is usable now | 19:52 |
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| mgedmin | there's plenty of empty areas without any links I could tap on if I wanted to scroll | 19:52 |
| RST38h | mgedmin: unfortunately it is more complicated than that | 19:52 |
| SpeedEvil | I never use TOCs myself | 19:52 |
| RST38h | mgedmin: I also thought that it would be easy to fix. No fucking way. | 19:53 |
| RST38h | mgedmin: Touchscreen is no mouse, and the N900 touchscreen is incredibly noisy | 19:53 |
| RST38h | mgedmin: FBReader tries filtering out the noise, but only succeeds in failing to scroll completely | 19:54 |
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| RST38h | And if I force it to scroll, it starts overriding list selection (see above: NOISE) | 19:54 |
| mgedmin | I banged head against wall for a long time until I made it scroll on taps reliably | 19:54 |
| mgedmin | with the same downside | 19:54 |
| RST38h | yea. so I worked around that | 19:55 |
| mgedmin | how does this new "drag to scroll" thing work? | 19:55 |
| mgedmin | I see it selected in my preferences | 19:55 |
| mgedmin | I perceive no difference: tapping scrolls, dragging does nothing | 19:55 |
| RST38h | It will scroll when abs(dy/dx)>=5 | 19:55 |
| RST38h | you have to enable it, or delete your current config | 19:55 |
| mgedmin | if it's not enabled, why is the checkbox checked in my preferences? | 19:56 |
| RST38h | then it is enabled | 19:56 |
| mgedmin | then I perceive no difference from old behaviour | 19:57 |
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| D-Iivil | _o/ | 19:58 |
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| RST38h | mgedmin: You are doing something wrong. | 19:58 |
| mgedmin | undoubtely | 19:58 |
| RST38h | mgedmin: Move your config somewhere safe | 19:58 |
| mgedmin | I've this gift of breaking software by using it normally | 19:58 |
| RST38h | mgedmin: And start FBReader | 19:58 |
| RST38h | YOu are probably not breaking anything, just have somewhat screwed maemo-specific touch settings | 19:59 |
| mgedmin | oh, I have _those_ | 19:59 |
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| RST38h | remove your config, restart, see if dragging works | 19:59 |
| mgedmin | <group name="StylusPressure"><option name="Maximum" value="6"/></group> etc. | 19:59 |
| mgedmin | <sarcasm>how infinitely better xml is when compared to a simple .ini file</sarcasm> | 20:00 |
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| RST38h | Well, isn't XML a REAL programming language? :) | 20:00 |
| * RST38h ducks. Quickly. | 20:00 | |
| mgedmin | bloody grouped string key and value pars | 20:00 |
| mgedmin | you're mistaken, HTML is a programming language | 20:00 |
| mgedmin | XML is a database engine | 20:01 |
| mgedmin | the prof at my uni managed to give off the impression XML will replace RDBMSes | 20:01 |
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| cehteh | mhm ... someone wants to make a turing_machine.xslt which takes a xml file as tape? :) | 20:01 |
| RST38h | Oh I can tell you way more about this than is healthy | 20:01 |
| * mgedmin is now coming across as an XML-hater, when he actually quite likes it | 20:01 | |
| mgedmin | I'd ask if comp.lang.xml.recovery existed if I knew how to use Usenet | 20:02 |
| RST38h | Yes, you CAN do DBMS in XML | 20:02 |
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| RST38h | It is about the same as doing programming in Java though | 20:02 |
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| mgedmin | better Java than XSLT, though | 20:03 |
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| cehteh | "Which turd do you want, your choice" :) | 20:04 |
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| mgedmin | ok, gotta go | 20:04 |
| mgedmin | voted for fbreader | 20:04 |
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| RST38h | thanks | 20:05 |
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| RST38h | XSLT authors probably never got to use their creation for anything serious | 20:06 |
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| SpeedEvil | I saw someone implementing a 'find the centre of a polygon' algorithm in xslt | 20:09 |
| SpeedEvil | Insane. | 20:09 |
| RST38h | Ah, screw the polygon | 20:09 |
| SpeedEvil | In that there was basically no math support | 20:09 |
| RST38h | Try implementing something XSLT has been "designed" for | 20:09 |
| RST38h | I.e. text processing | 20:09 |
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| RST38h | Try that without regular expressions ;) | 20:09 |
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| SpeedEvil | This was to transform a XML map | 20:09 |
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| * SpeedEvil drops 130Gb of XML on RST38h. | 20:10 | |
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| SpeedEvil | http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Planet.osm | 20:11 |
| SpeedEvil | Actually - I guess >250 by now | 20:11 |
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| RST38h | wazzzd | 20:13 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: happy birthday! | 20:13 |
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| wazd | Stskeeps: oooh, thank you :) | 20:15 |
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| wazd | RST38h: o/ | 20:15 |
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| Shapeshifter | Does someone know where the app manager gets the names from which it displays as the package name? | 20:17 |
| Shapeshifter | because it doesn't seem to be the NAME field | 20:18 |
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| Shapeshifter | Package: alarmed in control/control. Yet e.g. in the package overview page on the maemo homepage, it has a capital A, "Alarmed" | 20:19 |
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| GAN900 | Maemo-Display-Name | 20:21 |
| Shapeshifter | GAN900: oh. does it default to capitalizing if there's no such field? | 20:21 |
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| GAN900 | Not as far as I'm aware | 20:22 |
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| kerio | SpeedEvil: is that usable? | 20:25 |
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| SpeedEvil | Is what usable? | 20:29 |
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| RST38h | http://gizmodo.com/5584979/hayao-miyazaki-compares-ipad-use-to-masturbation | 20:31 |
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| RST38h | Finally. The great master speaks up. | 20:32 |
| Shapeshifter | GAN900: does this go in .changes or do I have to put it elsewhere? | 20:33 |
| Shapeshifter | the Maemo-Display-Name | 20:33 |
| luke-jr | hmm | 20:33 |
| GAN900 | Shapeshifter, goes in you control file. | 20:33 |
| * luke-jr ponders if it would be worthwhile to write a dumbphone UI emulator for N900 | 20:33 | |
| RST38h | why? it already has the dumbphone ui | 20:33 |
| Shapeshifter | GAN900: okay thanks | 20:33 |
| luke-jr | eg, so you can tell T-Mobile & co you have the dumbphone and get cheaper service | 20:33 |
| RST38h | ah | 20:34 |
| mirf | dumbphone? | 20:34 |
| luke-jr | mirf: a cellphone w/ 1 CPU | 20:34 |
| luke-jr | more an immediate problem for me, is that T-Mobile has no prepaid data here | 20:35 |
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| luke-jr | the closest they have is a $1/day Sidekick plan with filtered (NAT+proxy) access | 20:36 |
| mirf | ahhh like smartphone only dumb | 20:36 |
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| Shapeshifter | does someone know what the numbers in the middle mean in this line in a .dsc file after "Files:"? 5ea7a67afd7ffd44fa8e6adbb4e7bead 8597288 reactionfaceoff_0.0.1-1.tar.gz | 20:48 |
| Shapeshifter | the "8597288" | 20:48 |
| BugBlue | size? crc32? | 20:48 |
| mortini | how many cookies you need to send me? | 20:49 |
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| Shapeshifter | BugBlue: mh. yeah size in bytes probably | 20:50 |
| Shapeshifter | did I ever mention that I find deb packaging to be the greatest pita I've ever encountered on linux? | 20:50 |
| Shapeshifter | ._. | 20:50 |
| mortini | pft. | 20:51 |
| mortini | you've apparently never tried to compile gcc on a small hard drive. | 20:51 |
| _llll_ | it;s a hash | 20:51 |
| * SpeedEvil has done it on a 60M drive. | 20:51 | |
| SpeedEvil | Not recently tho. | 20:51 |
| arachnist | SpeedEvil: what version was it? | 20:51 |
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| arachnist | recent versions of gcc take over 1.5GB for source + object files | 20:52 |
| RST38h | cooool | 20:52 |
| RST38h | GCC pools ahead of Visual Studio in terms of disk space usage! | 20:52 |
| RST38h | s/pools/pulls | 20:52 |
| mortini | just when building it. | 20:53 |
| arachnist | the installed size is a lot smaller | 20:53 |
| mortini | i wonder how much space you need to build visual studio | 20:53 |
| arachnist | sys-devel/gcc-4.4.4-r1: 813 files, 65 non-files, 85659.668 KB | 20:53 |
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| arachnist | cross-armv5tel-softfloat-linux-gnueabi/gcc-4.4.4-r1: 734 files, 97 non-files, 48505.58 KB | 20:53 |
| Shapeshifter | man this is so stupid | 20:53 |
| RST38h | ah, not fair then =) | 20:53 |
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| mortini | i dunno, in like '96 or '97, i was building it on a 2GB hard drive for unremembered reasons, where os and everything was on there. i seem to remember the build taking upwards of 500 MB | 20:54 |
| mortini | if not more | 20:54 |
| luke-jr | arachnist: I might have a problem then :( | 20:54 |
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| arachnist | luke-jr: mount over some space over nfs | 20:54 |
| luke-jr | arachnist: ew | 20:54 |
| arachnist | or coda, if you please | 20:54 |
| Shapeshifter | why on earth is the md5 for the tar.gz in the .dsc if it's already in the .changes file. And why is the same info scattered across several different files in different places. And why is it so damn picky about white spaces. what on earth is this, why haven't they fixed this horrid package management. | 20:54 |
| mortini | cifs! | 20:54 |
| SpeedEvil | arachnist: decade old? | 20:55 |
| arachnist | SpeedEvil: ? | 20:55 |
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| SpeedEvil | arachnist: it was ~1.2.13 kernel | 20:55 |
| arachnist | oh | 20:55 |
| mortini | Shapeshifter: package management, in general, blows. | 20:55 |
| SpeedEvil | 60M wasn't a small drive | 20:55 |
| Shapeshifter | mortini: pacman does it right. | 20:55 |
| Shapeshifter | it's brilliant. | 20:55 |
| arachnist | mortini: not if done right | 20:56 |
| mortini | It also had the fortune of being, what. 5 years old? | 20:56 |
| zash | arachnist: isn't coda hard to setup? | 20:56 |
| _llll_ | Shapeshifter: but the packaging tools do all that stuff for you, so it makes zero impact on you | 20:56 |
| arachnist | mortini: paludis gets it right | 20:56 |
| arachnist | zash: actually, never tried it | 20:56 |
| Shapeshifter | _llll_: the packaging tools are incredibly complicated | 20:56 |
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| _llll_ | they are? | 20:56 |
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| _llll_ | use debhelper | 20:56 |
| Shapeshifter | yeah right, a wrapper aroudn a wrapper around a wrapper | 20:56 |
| _llll_ | so? | 20:57 |
| zash | arachnist: meh :( it seemed way harder than nfs to setup when i tried :( | 20:57 |
| * Stskeeps is actually happy about spec + spectacle after spending some time with rpm | 20:57 | |
| arachnist | zash: nfs exported from a zfs-backed nas does all i need | 20:57 |
| zash | arachnist: but does it work offline? | 20:57 |
| Stskeeps | arachnist++ | 20:57 |
| arachnist | zash: my network's never offline | 20:58 |
| arachnist | my nas is never offline | 20:58 |
| zash | arachnist: but I am sometimes :( | 20:58 |
| * zash want's some smart caching fs | 20:58 | |
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| arachnist | zash: that will travel in time for one day ahead and cache exactly what you're going to use that day? | 20:59 |
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| zash | arachnist: yes, exactly! | 21:00 |
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| zash | arachnist: but I would be satisfied if it just cached stuff I regulary use, and clear less popular stuff when the cache gets too big | 21:01 |
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| arachnist | anyway | 21:02 |
| arachnist | SEL time | 21:02 |
| arachnist | (and i wonder how many people will get that one | 21:02 |
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| kerio | SpeedEvil: is the whole of planet.osm usable on n900 with a program? | 21:06 |
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| Shapeshifter | Oh and look at this magnificent error message | 21:07 |
| Shapeshifter | "dpkg-gencontrol: error: must specify package since control info has many () | 21:07 |
| Shapeshifter | that's not even a sentence. | 21:07 |
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| luke-jr | sure it is | 21:08 |
| luke-jr | it's just missing quotes around () | 21:08 |
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| Shapeshifter | and what is a ()? | 21:09 |
| Shapeshifter | an empty cheeseburger? | 21:09 |
| arachnist | blahblahblah (blah blah) blah blah | 21:10 |
| luke-jr | parentheses | 21:10 |
| arachnist | or the control info is a lisp source code | 21:10 |
| Shapeshifter | luke-jr: orly. | 21:10 |
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| Shapeshifter | so what do you recommend for packaging pythong programs, then? | 21:12 |
| Shapeshifter | as a wrapper around wrappers | 21:12 |
| luke-jr | on another note, T-Mobile appears to only be blocking a few ports on that Sidekick plan | 21:12 |
| luke-jr | Shapeshifter: I recommend avoiding Python :D | 21:12 |
| Shapeshifter | very helpful | 21:12 |
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| kerio | SpeedEvil: do you know of a way to make mappero use a locally-downloaded, bzipped planet.osm? | 21:23 |
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| Shapeshifter | GAN900: well that didn't work. autobuilder removed "Maemo-Display-Name: Reaction face-off" from the control file. | 21:36 |
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| Shapeshifter | this is hopeless | 21:38 |
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| Shapeshifter | oh well | 21:42 |
| Shapeshifter | I looked it up and it's "XB-Maemo-Display-Name" | 21:42 |
| lcuk | Shapeshifter, doh! what are you using for packaging | 21:42 |
| Shapeshifter | lcuk: py2deb. and then I go manually editing the control file and re-doing md5 sums and so on. But now I'll first fix py2deb to include that field | 21:42 |
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| lcuk | cool stuff | 21:43 |
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| SpeedEvil | kerio: I think mappero is a raster based app | 21:56 |
| SpeedEvil | kerio: To generate tiles locally, you need to setup an instance of mapnik | 21:57 |
| SpeedEvil | http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Mapnik | 21:57 |
| SpeedEvil | planet.osm is a xml database dump - it is generally not intended to be directly used by renderers | 21:58 |
| SpeedEvil | In principle you could generate a map using a browser, and xslt - but many browsers are somewhat slow dealing with 250G of XML | 21:59 |
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| kerio | heh | 22:00 |
| kerio | no kidding | 22:00 |
| kerio | what's mapnik? and is it viable to use it locally on the n900? | 22:01 |
| SpeedEvil | See the above page. | 22:01 |
| SpeedEvil | And no. | 22:01 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: there is one more thing you have to remember | 22:02 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: with jrbme | 22:02 |
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| kerio | and does mappero still use the data for something else? | 22:02 |
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| SpeedEvil | I think mappero just downloads tiles | 22:02 |
| SpeedEvil | from the server | 22:03 |
| SpeedEvil | that is - pre-rasterised content | 22:03 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: you have to handle emergency calls somehow | 22:03 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: because bme will not request shutdown if there is emergency call in progress | 22:03 |
| SpeedEvil | The cellmo turns off anyway at 3vish | 22:03 |
| SpeedEvil | I assume | 22:04 |
| jacekowski | yeah, but there are other cases when phone will shutdown | 22:04 |
| jacekowski | like overtemperature | 22:04 |
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| jacekowski | or lost BSI | 22:04 |
| SpeedEvil | OR no BSI | 22:05 |
| SpeedEvil | - it won't boot | 22:05 |
| jacekowski | yeah, but it will keep running | 22:05 |
| SpeedEvil | On another topic. | 22:05 |
| jacekowski | so simplest way to hot swap batteries | 22:05 |
| jacekowski | call 112 | 22:05 |
| SpeedEvil | I am looking for something to analyse TCP streams. | 22:05 |
| SpeedEvil | I have found tcpick - which reassembles them into two files per stream - one per direction | 22:06 |
| jacekowski | gui? | 22:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: hmhm, I'm aware of that. Emergency cals will even override fatal overtemperature. Anyway I don't plan to handle shutdown in jrbme at all | 22:06 |
| SpeedEvil | this is - nearly - ideal | 22:06 |
| jacekowski | tshark? | 22:06 |
| SpeedEvil | I would like something like a hexdump of the reassembled stream in both directions at once, with a timestamp | 22:06 |
| jacekowski | tshark would do the job | 22:06 |
| jacekowski | but the thing is | 22:07 |
| jacekowski | what are you trying to do? | 22:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | (call 112 to swap batteries) LOL | 22:07 |
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| SpeedEvil | hmm - looks plausible | 22:08 |
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| SpeedEvil | jacekowski: Examine a (not directly n900 related) text/binary protocol to work out the details. I've gotten most of it - I just need the sequencing - for example - which side initiates a login request | 22:09 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer: epic | 22:09 |
| jacekowski | on a pc? | 22:10 |
| kerio | how fast do you need to be? | 22:10 |
| SpeedEvil | jacekowski: yes. | 22:10 |
| jacekowski | i would recommend wireshark | 22:10 |
| SpeedEvil | I have awk decoding 95% of the protocol, I just need the wrinkles. | 22:11 |
| jacekowski | go for wireshark and write a proper dissector | 22:12 |
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| jacekowski | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wireshark | 22:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | if there's none yet (very low probability) | 22:12 |
| SpeedEvil | Very high. | 22:12 |
| jacekowski | and there is text version which is called tshark | 22:13 |
| SpeedEvil | It's not a normal protocol, it's cooked by a somewhat broken site. | 22:13 |
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| jacekowski | SpeedEvil: what is that anyways? | 22:13 |
| greghaynes | Is Qt Mobility available on n900's at the moment? | 22:13 |
| SpeedEvil | jacekowski: I've been asked not to reveal it ATM. | 22:13 |
| SpeedEvil | It may popup as an app at some point | 22:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer | STRIKE! heavy rain and -7° | 22:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | delta | 22:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer | falling | 22:15 |
| greghaynes | And if so, I cant find a QSensor for GPS so should I just be using liblocation from Qt or is there some other way people have been using? | 22:15 |
| Macer | wow. i got gas on thursday and used my debit card and it is monday now and it still hasn't cleared | 22:15 |
| jacekowski | Macer: don't worry | 22:15 |
| jacekowski | Macer: it will | 22:15 |
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| Macer | haha | 22:16 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer: is the backup battery big enough to power an idle phone for, say, 5 seconds? | 22:16 |
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| Macer | maybe there was a technical glitch and they lost all the transactions for that day :) | 22:16 |
| GAN900 | Macer, 3 days. | 22:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | no way | 22:16 |
| jacekowski | kerio: no | 22:16 |
| jacekowski | kerio: it's not connected that way | 22:16 |
| Macer | GAN900: it si the only place that does this | 22:16 |
| jacekowski | besides, backup battery in my phone is probably dead | 22:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | and even if it were | 22:16 |
| jacekowski | it lasts maybe 5-10 minutes | 22:16 |
| Macer | everything else comes out instantly | 22:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | it couldn't even supply the current | 22:16 |
| GAN900 | Depends on their system. | 22:16 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: at 0Hz iddle | 22:16 |
| jacekowski | idle* | 22:17 |
| SpeedEvil | I have one drill that the ebay seller diddn't collect payment for. | 22:17 |
| SpeedEvil | Which was odd. | 22:17 |
| SpeedEvil | (32mm*40cm SDS) | 22:17 |
| jacekowski | to just keep ram running | 22:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: bupbats have some 100R impedance | 22:17 |
| Macer | SpeedEvil: maybe they got into a car accident and died | 22:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | and <3V | 22:17 |
| SpeedEvil | Macer: Shipped product, did not request payment. | 22:17 |
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| Macer | uhm. aren't you supposed to pay them while they ship it? | 22:18 |
| Macer | :) | 22:18 |
| Macer | thief! | 22:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: got my query? | 22:19 |
| SpeedEvil | If they wish to send me free stuff, I'm not going to chase. | 22:19 |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: no. I woke up after the bank branch had shut. Stupid half-days. | 22:19 |
| Macer | SpeedEvil: it was probably not free :) | 22:19 |
| Macer | you just didn't pay | 22:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | so you got the query, but not the call? | 22:20 |
| Macer | i want meego to be awesome for my n900 already | 22:20 |
| Macer | heh | 22:20 |
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| Macer | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ysb8L139vaI | 22:22 |
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| Macer | talk about rough around the edges | 22:22 |
| Macer | the end where it seriously crashes out was kind of funny | 22:23 |
| petteri | can I execute command when I login to ash (launch xterm). I want it to execute bash so that my login shell from xterm would be always bash | 22:25 |
| Macer | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h1hI1BI_Ua8 | 22:25 |
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| Macer | LOL!! | 22:25 |
| greghaynes | petteri: chsh | 22:26 |
| petteri | greghaynes: ? | 22:26 |
| greghaynes | Run it, it changes your shell | 22:26 |
| petteri | ok. I want to change only the shell for interactive logins, so that I wont mess my n900, does it do that | 22:27 |
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| jacekowski | hmm, | 22:27 |
| jacekowski | MOV r0,#0 | 22:28 |
| greghaynes | Not sure what you mean by that | 22:28 |
| jacekowski | FDIV r0,r1,r0 | 22:28 |
| SpeedEvil | chsh will screw your system | 22:28 |
| jacekowski | what would hapen? | 22:28 |
| greghaynes | Oh, it didnt seem to on mine.. | 22:28 |
| SpeedEvil | It has for some people. | 22:28 |
| greghaynes | Ill take your word for it though | 22:28 |
| jacekowski | i mean, how does arm handle floating point divide by zero? | 22:28 |
| petteri | I want only use bash when I log in with xterm | 22:28 |
| greghaynes | Hrm, does ash handle alias? If so alias xterm -e bash IIRC | 22:29 |
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| Macer | that is an awesome video where the guy flashes | 22:30 |
| Macer | :) | 22:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: probably like every other system | 22:30 |
| Macer | hopefully in a year or so when my n900 is completely obsolete | 22:30 |
| Macer | i can install meego on it | 22:30 |
| greghaynes | nvm, that wont work | 22:30 |
| Macer | N8 looks like a pretty nice phone | 22:30 |
| * greghaynes gives up | 22:30 | |
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| Macer | although i'm not a big symbian fan | 22:31 |
| Macer | what kind of kernel is symbian based on? | 22:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer | kernel? | 22:31 |
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| greghaynes | Macer: Linux | 22:31 |
| Shapeshifter | mh | 22:31 |
| greghaynes | oh, symbian, though meego | 22:31 |
| Shapeshifter | so how do I delete a package from extras-devel?= | 22:31 |
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| greghaynes | Tooo bad the aava isnt out yet, it looks not bad for running meego | 22:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | ping X-Fade | 22:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | there is no way to delete | 22:33 |
| Shapeshifter | aha | 22:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | afaik | 22:33 |
| kerio | bash-setup does work | 22:33 |
| Shapeshifter | X-Fade: the package "maemoreactor" is now obsolete as I changed the name and rebuilt the package under a different name. | 22:33 |
| kerio | and doesn't screw up the phone | 22:33 |
| kerio | afaik | 22:33 |
| kerio | the window switching in meego is fucking awesome btw | 22:34 |
| petteri | ok so I did echo "/bin/bash" >> .profile I hope that wont mess anything | 22:34 |
| kerio | heh | 22:34 |
| kerio | that will fuck up everything if bash runs .profile | 22:34 |
| kerio | and i think it does | 22:34 |
| kerio | you want .ashrc | 22:34 |
| kerio | or just run bash-setup | 22:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | you bet | 22:34 |
| greghaynes | hah, I wonder it it catches the loop | 22:34 |
| petteri | bash dont run .profile | 22:35 |
| Macer | greghaynes: linux? | 22:35 |
| petteri | works fine, but if there is .ashrc I will put it there | 22:35 |
| Macer | i thought symbian was some sort of proprietary kernel from nokia | 22:35 |
| kerio | petteri: remove that | 22:35 |
| kerio | and run bash-setup | 22:35 |
| greghaynes | Macer: I thought you were asking about meego for some reason, I actually have no idea | 22:35 |
| kerio | chsh won't fuck things up if /bin/bash is in /etc/shells and you only run it as user | 22:35 |
| greghaynes | Maybe people were running it without bash installed and saying it caused errors, which would definitely happen | 22:36 |
| petteri | hmmm. .ashrc is not read by ash | 22:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | bash WILL read /etc/profile. A bash invoked as sh will also read ~/.profile | 22:38 |
| PerfDave | So my latest Maemo update tells me it can't install over-the-air and I need to connect to a PC running Windows... but I don't have a PC running Windows. Am I stuffed? Nobody mentioned requiring Windows when I bought the phone. | 22:38 |
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| Macer | hah | 22:39 |
| Macer | int he video he flashed meego and it ran bash | 22:39 |
| Macer | :) | 22:39 |
| ShadowJK | PerfDave, no you don't | 22:39 |
| Macer | awesome | 22:39 |
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| ShadowJK | infact, the windows flasher is somewhat crappier than the commandline one | 22:39 |
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| PerfDave | ShadowJK: OK, so what do I do to install the update? | 22:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | PerfDave: that's just Nokia's way to let you know they think you're an idiot | 22:40 |
| Stskeeps | PerfDave: | 22:40 |
| Stskeeps | ~flashing | 22:40 |
| infobot | hmm... flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 22:40 |
| PerfDave | DocScrutinizer: When it comes to my N900 I *am* an idiot | 22:41 |
| Macer | download a meego kickstart file? | 22:41 |
| Macer | wtf | 22:41 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ooh, an amiga fan | 22:42 |
| Shapeshifter | for renaming a forum thread, who'd I ask best? | 22:42 |
| butt-grabr | the windows tool also forces some nasty EULA on you.. the UNIX version does not, so UNIX users have more legal freedom | 22:42 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: well, i think i know why it's not using FDIV | 22:42 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: and it seems like it's something with gcc | 22:42 |
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| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: I couldn't care less | 22:43 |
| ShadowJK | PerfDave, btw I recommend making a backup first | 22:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I wonder who's been so daft to use float in bme anyway | 22:43 |
| FIQ | hi | 22:43 |
| FIQ | bash refuses to read the .bashrc when invoked from osso-xterm, can i change this behavior? | 22:44 |
| Stskeeps | osso-xterm and bash is open source | 22:44 |
| Stskeeps | go nuts | 22:44 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: because then you can just multiply/divide by some number and end up with voltage | 22:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: I mean, check ShadowJK's or my bq27k-detail.sh script. Do you see floats used? | 22:44 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: instead voltage multipled by whatever | 22:45 |
| PerfDave | Stskeeps: Thanks, I'll bear that in mind | 22:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: that's nonsense. Go back to school! | 22:45 |
| butt-grabr | FIQ: the .bashrc file is read in the root account.. i've verified that | 22:45 |
| jacekowski | nah | 22:46 |
| butt-grabr | FIQ: but i think there's an issue w/ user accounts.. my user account doesn't seem to read it | 22:46 |
| jacekowski | ints can only hold ints | 22:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | so what? | 22:46 |
| jacekowski | so you would have to keep value in milivolts for example | 22:46 |
| FIQ | well, starting bash within bash does read it, but not from osso-xterm | 22:46 |
| jacekowski | instead of volts | 22:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | so what? | 22:46 |
| FIQ | and i don't feel like running bash each time i start the shell. :P | 22:46 |
| Shapeshifter | How can I specify that my package conflicts with another package? | 22:46 |
| PhonicUK | hey all | 22:46 |
| ShadowJK | well that's fine because I think in mV too :-) | 22:47 |
| * DocScrutinizer recommends to jacekowski to learn COBOL | 22:47 | |
| DocScrutinizer | 9(8) DISP | 22:47 |
| jacekowski | i had to make one program in cobol | 22:48 |
| jacekowski | don't remind me it | 22:48 |
| kerio | why is OOo's splash screen... slanted? | 22:48 |
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| butt-grabr | ooo exists on the NIT? that's a scarey thought | 22:49 |
| butt-grabr | it's not as bloated as ms office, but still pretty bloated for a NIT, I would think | 22:49 |
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| FIQ | OOo can be runned within easy debian | 22:49 |
| ShadowJK | I wrote it in bash, it only has integer arithmetic. Using that to unpack the various 4bit usigned, 3 bit unsigned etc ints packed into bytes and then the math to convert to a SI unit is just integer arithmetic was a fun excercise :D | 22:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | nobody ever uses computational (== float) in COBOL. Still they manage trillions $ with 0.01ct accuracy, and without problems of values been shown in millicent | 22:50 |
| tybollt | DocScrutinizer: Cobol hackers make filthy amounts of money these days =) | 22:50 |
| tybollt | the few that are still around =) | 22:50 |
| FIQ | ugh COBOL.. | 22:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | tybollt: WHERE????? | 22:50 |
| ShadowJK | When you do it ints you have to consider things that ruin precision (things that ruin meaningful precision with floats too) :-) | 22:51 |
| jacekowski | ShadowJK: use bc | 22:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: BS | 22:51 |
| jacekowski | ShadowJK: people.openmoko.org/joerg/battery/bq27k-detail | 22:51 |
| jacekowski | ehh | 22:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | I got spanked for #!/bin/bash | 22:51 |
| jacekowski | echo " *7.14 / 20 = " $(( `pv 0x79` * 714 / 2000)) "mA " | 22:51 |
| jacekowski | ah | 22:52 |
| jacekowski | nvm | 22:52 |
| ShadowJK | I don't need bc :P | 22:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: see??!!! | 22:52 |
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| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: hanks for quoting a nice example how to deal with that | 22:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | ;-P= | 22:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | btw a brilliant author | 22:53 |
| jacekowski | you see | 22:53 |
| jacekowski | value in miliamps | 22:53 |
| ShadowJK | I'd rather pass it on to a separate awk script for doing some more processing, but the basic data acquisition talking to hw should be as simple as possible | 22:53 |
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| jacekowski | instead of amps | 22:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: you're kinda stubborn, really | 22:54 |
| ShadowJK | I'm sure even Electrical Engineers (which I am not) think in mA ;p | 22:54 |
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| Stskeeps | mm, anyone with a n810 standing by who wants to test an image for me? | 22:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: and inserting a decimal . somewhere in that value, to make jacekowski happy, is a warmup for first class CS students | 22:55 |
| Stskeeps | you need a 2gb minisd you can wipe | 22:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: lemme find a 2GB. I'll come back when succeed | 22:56 |
| jacekowski | ShadowJK: well, i ussualy deal with devices that have currents in kA | 22:56 |
| Stskeeps | 4gb also good | 22:56 |
| jacekowski | ShadowJK: mA are kinda to small for me | 22:56 |
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| SpeedEvil | uA | 22:58 |
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| greghaynes | As long at you dont reach megaamps you can store in mA and display as kA | 23:00 |
| SpeedEvil | 32 bit microamps is suitable for most computers | 23:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer | echo " *7.14 / 20 = " $(( `pv 0x79` * 714 / 2000000)) "." $(( (`pv 0x79` * 714 / 2000) - ( `pv 0x79` * 714 / 2000000 * 1000 )) "Ampere " -- STFU | 23:01 |
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| jacekowski | but you have to divide it 2 times | 23:02 |
| Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: http://forum.meego.com/showpost.php?p=5508&postcount=47 | 23:02 |
| jacekowski | with floats you could do it only one time | 23:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: sorry, I refuse to answer that | 23:03 |
| Stskeeps | proof of concept software rendering meego handset ux on a Nokia N810 (rootfs+kernel), http://forum.meego.com/showpost.php?p=5508&postcount=47 | 23:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: sorry, no flasher available atm | 23:04 |
| Stskeeps | k | 23:04 |
| kerio | i just want to state this - QTIRRECO FTW | 23:07 |
| kerio | it just needs a way to scale down buttons | 23:07 |
| jacekowski | well it doesn't work for me | 23:07 |
| dotblank[laptop] | yea buttons are too big | 23:07 |
| dotblank[laptop] | also feels like whenever I click them the buttons are dragged | 23:08 |
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| ShadowJK | hm.. | 23:24 |
| flailingmonkey | dotblank[laptop]: agreed, weird drag-behavior when clicking | 23:25 |
| ShadowJK | I'm guessing when a Li-Po feels soft, it's best to put it somewhere fireproof | 23:25 |
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| kerio | li-po? | 23:28 |
| ShadowJK | Lithium Polymer battery | 23:29 |
| kerio | it's feeling... soft? | 23:30 |
| ShadowJK | yes | 23:30 |
| kerio | woah, *not* a good sign there | 23:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: swolen? | 23:31 |
| ShadowJK | I thought it looked a bit thicker than the other of same make and model, so when I picked it up it felt distinctively soft | 23:31 |
| ShadowJK | Yeah a bit | 23:31 |
| ShadowJK | the contents feels gasseous | 23:31 |
| PhonicUK | 'lo all | 23:31 |
| kerio | SO not a good sign | 23:31 |
| ShadowJK | Indeed :-) | 23:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | got one BL-5C fake here. Got pregnant when I was heating it to test BSI NTC. Got really hot. Now it's feeling "soft" like a balloon since 6 months | 23:32 |
| jacekowski | well, one bloke at work was using phone with swolen battery for about 6 months | 23:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | not this one, it's electrically dead | 23:33 |
| jacekowski | well, it was close to dead | 23:33 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer: i'd throw it away | 23:33 |
| kerio | but it's just me | 23:33 |
| ShadowJK | I only noticed my N810's poorly performing batt was swollen when I got a new one ;p | 23:33 |
| kerio | should i get some cheap ebay batteries for my n900? | 23:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm, my flat burned down one time. Lightning won't strike twice same spot | 23:34 |
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| Stskeeps | that better not have been battery or freerunner related | 23:34 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 23:34 |
| SpeedEvil | Naah. Mobs with pitchforks and torches, I'm guessing. | 23:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's been charger/battery related for sure. But probably cheap desktop vacuum with NiMH cells | 23:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | NiMH are much more dangerous than LiXX I'd say | 23:36 |
| ShadowJK | I had a nimh battery melt down on me once ;p | 23:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah, real fun | 23:36 |
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| ShadowJK | Dodgy cell from Lidl in known cheapass charger :D | 23:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer | hmm, same like that 27EUR hand vacuum with cells and 'charger' | 23:37 |
| ShadowJK | The charger's mosfets are constantly near that point where they're too hot to shut down, and the tronic(lidl) cell had huge internal resistance out of the box.. the charger missed termination, and then when it reached the point of thermal shutdown, the mosfets were too hot, and it conitnued to dump several amps into it | 23:38 |
| ShadowJK | until the plastic battery holder melted and thus physically severed the connection ;p | 23:38 |
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| SpeedEvil | too hot to shut down? | 23:39 |
| SpeedEvil | Oh - you mean leakage | 23:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | mhm. A Siemens Gigaset DECT had similar issue for me once | 23:39 |
| ShadowJK | probably | 23:39 |
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| DocScrutinizer | though the vacuum had no mosfets or any similar shit, I'm rather sure all silicon it had was a diode bridge | 23:40 |
| SpeedEvil | I have a teeny thing that goes 'BEEEEEEEEEEEEEP' at ~35C. | 23:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | aah, and a LED | 23:40 |
| SpeedEvil | I put it in the right place on battery packs that are under charge | 23:41 |
| ShadowJK | Well in theory you can charge nimh indefinitely at .1C | 23:41 |
| SpeedEvil | does wonders for the longevity os suff on really cheap chargers | 23:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | anyway my bookshelf is gone since =-( | 23:41 |
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| ShadowJK | I need to get a big hobby charger now | 23:42 |
| ShadowJK | I want to blow up this ballooning pack | 23:42 |
| SpeedEvil | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4OsBc8RqSKU | 23:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | I've stopped that recharge hobby since. All my devices that use AA(A) are living >12 months with primary cells. NiMH are empty on self discharge after 2 months | 23:43 |
| jacekowski | hah | 23:44 |
| ShadowJK | Not eneloops :-) | 23:44 |
| jacekowski | i think i sorted my scratchbox problem | 23:44 |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: eneloops are good | 23:44 |
| jacekowski | vdso | 23:44 |
| cehteh | DocScrutinizer: i use eneloop everywhere and be happy | 23:44 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: that's partialy because of higher voltage in AA | 23:45 |
| jacekowski | i mean i normal primary cells | 23:45 |
| jacekowski | so charge density is a lot higher | 23:45 |
| ShadowJK | That's a bit of a myth anyway | 23:45 |
| jacekowski | well, charge density IS higher | 23:45 |
| ShadowJK | If you draw <.05C, sure | 23:46 |
| jacekowski | and internal resistance is lower | 23:46 |
| ShadowJK | lol? | 23:46 |
| ShadowJK | nimh internal resistance is much lower than alkaline's | 23:47 |
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| mneptok | gunh. the e-mail widget has some serious problems being consistent about showing unread mail on GMail. | 23:48 |
| SpeedEvil | 'normal' primaries have very, very few edges left over eneloop cells. | 23:48 |
| SpeedEvil | Lower weight is about it | 23:48 |
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| ShadowJK | in tv remotes and clocks they can win | 23:49 |
| SpeedEvil | ZnCl are actually even better for that - if you can find the low-drain ones. | 23:50 |
| SpeedEvil | Which you usually can't. | 23:50 |
| kerio | this is possibly the worst form of nerdom, btw | 23:52 |
| kerio | battery nerds | 23:52 |
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| mneptok | my battery died when it missed a saving throw. | 23:53 |
| mneptok | (battery nerd + D&D nerd = someone's gonna die) | 23:54 |
| ShadowJK | kerio: when you see nerds in the hardware store buying power packs for powertools, you know they're just going to tear it apart to harvest the battery cells inside ;-) | 23:55 |
| mneptok | ShadowJK: or they have a first date coming up, and the power tools are camouflage. | 23:56 |
| kerio | ShadowJK: i'm a computer nerd | 23:57 |
| kerio | i don't go in stores | 23:57 |
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| mneptok | how does the N900 handle speed-dial for pizza joints? | 23:57 |
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| kerio | i don't call | 23:58 |
| kerio | ;) | 23:58 |
| red | i jumped into swimming pool with the N900 in my pocket | 23:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | congrats | 23:58 |
| kerio | red: you... monster | 23:58 |
| red | so I jump boat and ordered HTC Desire x) | 23:58 |
| kerio | ._. | 23:59 |
| greghaynes | Make sure to also bathe your HTC | 23:59 |
| kerio | should've just removed the battery and washed it with distilled water | 23:59 |
| red | nothing wrong with maemo, but want capacitive and less bulk in pocket :) | 23:59 |
| kerio | bulk in pocket is for real men! | 23:59 |
| red | kerio: i was in greece, in the water a lot of chlorium and chalk | 23:59 |
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