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| rhaamo | hi all. | 00:15 |
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| Nadley | hi | 00:16 |
| rhaamo | is anyone getting sigsegv when trying to run 'aptitude' (on root, no arguments, just aptitude) too ? | 00:17 |
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| kerio | reducing the swappiness to increase UI responsivity is dumb | 00:17 |
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| Arkenoi | kerio: why? | 00:25 |
| kerio | because the swappiness is there for a reason | 00:25 |
| kerio | you're trading ui responsivity for i/o caching | 00:25 |
| kerio | i mean | 00:26 |
| kerio | the opposite | 00:26 |
| Arkenoi | well, but as long as phone runs more smoothly we do not really care, right? | 00:26 |
| kerio | ...yes we do? | 00:26 |
| kerio | at least, i do | 00:26 |
| Arkenoi | why? | 00:27 |
| Arkenoi | what's wrong with this tradeoff? | 00:27 |
| kerio | 3 seconds to open a menu after two hours is an acceptable tradeoff for 30 seconds less when compiling a kernel | 00:27 |
| kerio | you notice the first, but you don't notice the second | 00:28 |
| Nadley | What content I backup when I use the default backup tool | 00:28 |
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| flux | nadley, /etc/osso-backup has a list of sorts | 00:30 |
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| Nadley | flux: I don't understand what you say | 00:31 |
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| flux | nadley, /etc/osos-backup/applications contains the lists that control what the backup backs up | 00:31 |
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| Nadley | ok | 00:31 |
| Arkenoi | kerio, it's ok for me, then ;-) | 00:32 |
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| Arkenoi | i do not recompile kernel on-device every day | 00:32 |
| kerio | heh | 00:33 |
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| DrGrov | flux: you can not have 2 similar bluetooth devices connected at the same time. that means you can't have 2 BT handsfrees. | 00:33 |
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| flux | drgrov, what happens when you try to connect? | 00:33 |
| DrGrov | flux: i do not need to connect in order to know that. have not even tried it since i know it will fail. | 00:34 |
| flux | I've been thinking of hooking one bt-hf permanently to my car for music playback and wondering how it would work, if I have a carry-on bt-hf as well | 00:35 |
| flux | I suppose most of the time only one would be turned on | 00:35 |
| flux | but possibly the vehicle one would be turned on all the time, leading into having two bt-hfs in the phone's vicinity | 00:36 |
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| DrGrov | flux: i am pretty sure you can have one bt-hf for music playback and one for talk-bt-hf. not really too sure but should work out. | 00:39 |
| DrGrov | but on the other hand, you can have two bluetooths paired to your device but you could easily switch between bluetooths. | 00:39 |
| kerio | my ears! the bluetooths do nothing | 00:40 |
| flux | automatic connecting is nice. but if it's possibly to switch in a programmatic fashion it would be nice as well. | 00:40 |
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| DrGrov | flux: you could easily do that. or i consider it to be quite straight forward without too much clicking and fiddling around. | 00:44 |
| DrGrov | kerio: perhaps a bad bluetooth? | 00:44 |
| DrGrov | once you get a quality BT there is no issues. | 00:44 |
| Macer | hm | 00:46 |
| Macer | i go to a gas station that takes like a week to process its cc payments | 00:46 |
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| trumee | my average roundtrip time to the router (PSM) is 40ms, is that bad? | 00:46 |
| trumee | with pings | 00:46 |
| Macer | i have never seen a place that takes so long | 00:47 |
| Stskeeps | trumee: psm will naturally add a little bit of latency | 00:47 |
| Stskeeps | cos of queueing, etc | 00:47 |
| trumee | is there any good router which works well with PSM? | 00:48 |
| SpeedEvil1 | I get ~400ms rtt | 00:48 |
| SpeedEvil1 | http://www.ciao.co.uk/Dynamode_R_ADSL_C4W_EG__6559753 | 00:48 |
| SpeedEvil1 | one of these. | 00:49 |
| SpeedEvil1 | I do not recommend it | 00:49 |
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| SpeedEvil | (not for the hardware, for the ignorance of GPL) | 00:49 |
| trumee | that is pretty crap | 00:50 |
| trumee | i need an alternative to linksys | 00:50 |
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| SpeedEvil | It works - I get about 30m range through 3 very thick stone walls | 00:50 |
| trumee | linksys doesnt handle sip very well | 00:50 |
| SpeedEvil | And great powersaving | 00:51 |
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| Macer | hm . after my son leaves i think i'll put his wii into a new case | 00:51 |
| trumee | SpeedEvil, i guess you dont do sip calls. | 00:51 |
| SpeedEvil | nope | 00:52 |
| SpeedEvil | I don't do any calls | 00:52 |
| DrGrov | Macer: actually I have. Takes about 1 week where I usually also did put fuel in the car. | 00:52 |
| tgalal | can n900 tether internet from other phones and computer just like the N800/ | 00:52 |
| tgalal | ? | 00:52 |
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| Macer | DrGrov: heh. yeah welll. :) they are taking forever | 00:52 |
| Macer | and i don't like money floating around out there like that | 00:52 |
| DrGrov | Macer: yeah, a bit too long. | 00:52 |
| trumee | i need a router which handles sip calls with PSM. | 00:53 |
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| Macer | trumee: then find one ;) | 00:53 |
| DrGrov | Macer: well, today it merely matters though. internet banking is so easy so it literally does not matter, at least to me. | 00:53 |
| SpeedEvil | tgalal: yes, it can - sometimes the connection manager gets in te way a bit | 00:53 |
| trumee | Nokia devs should let us know what routers they test N900 against. | 00:53 |
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| Macer | DrGrov: yeah well.. still. everywhere else takes like 5 secs to hit the acct | 00:54 |
| DrGrov | I use against my trusted Elisa Kotiboksi shit and it works out well | 00:54 |
| Macer | do they mail in the cc slips or something? | 00:54 |
| DrGrov | Macer: yes, they mail them. pretty sure about that. | 00:54 |
| Macer | they still use like some old ass modem based cc machine | 00:54 |
| Macer | you can hear the old school modem noises | 00:54 |
| DrGrov | yes but they do not get the cc receipts sent then. the cashier system they use is too old. | 00:54 |
| tgalal | SpeedEvil: N800 supported that smoothly | 00:55 |
| SpeedEvil | tgalal: n900 is designed as a user device. | 00:55 |
| tgalal | and N800 ? | 00:56 |
| SpeedEvil | tgalal: And the users are assumed to not have enough clue to do clever things. | 00:56 |
| SpeedEvil | Often | 00:56 |
| SpeedEvil | So bugs filed against broken stuff sometimes get 'conforms to spec' resolutions. | 00:56 |
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| jacekowski | with fmtx | 01:19 |
| jacekowski | does power level 120 have any special meaning? | 01:19 |
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| GAN900 | It's clearly not over 9000. | 01:21 |
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| b-man | lol | 01:27 |
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| jacekowski | http://jacekowski.org/Maemo/FMTXD | 01:39 |
| jacekowski | if anybody is interested | 01:40 |
| jacekowski | modified fmtxd binary that will ignore headphones | 01:40 |
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| henkka | terse | 01:47 |
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| jacekowski | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYpwAtnywTk&feature=related | 01:49 |
| jacekowski | rotfl | 01:49 |
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| SpeedEvil | Hmm - my n900 won't play http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N0m1XmvBey8&feature=PlayList&p=5BF9E09ECEC8F88F&playnext_from=PL&index=0 at the higher res. | 02:18 |
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| jacekowski | rotfl | 02:42 |
| jacekowski | i got banned on ubuntu-uk | 02:43 |
| SpeedEvil | Okaay. | 02:43 |
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| MohammadAG51 | jacekowski, not surprised tbh :P | 02:43 |
| LuciusMare | Hello, my device does not prompt me for password, how to set it? | 02:43 |
| LuciusMare | at startup | 02:43 |
| jacekowski | MohammadAG51: i got banned for posting link to http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYpwAtnywTk&feature=related | 02:43 |
| SpeedEvil | The n900 has an internal masquerading DNS of some form | 02:43 |
| SpeedEvil | how do I get this to serve up DNS to the USB network? | 02:44 |
| MohammadAG51 | jacekowski, still not surprised :P | 02:44 |
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| Macer | hm. so. | 02:52 |
| Macer | $150 for all my xbox 360 mods | 02:52 |
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| pigeon | SpeedEvil: that would be dnsmasq? play with /etc/dnsmasq.conf maybe. | 03:05 |
| Ikarus | SpeedEvil: you need the other dnsmasq package iirc | 03:05 |
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| SpeedEvil | hmm | 03:06 |
| pigeon | i know mobilehotspot just start another dnsmasq instance to serve dns over wifi | 03:06 |
| SpeedEvil | yeah | 03:06 |
| SpeedEvil | I guess | 03:06 |
| SpeedEvil | hmm | 03:07 |
| Ikarus | I still need to tinker with userland NAT | 03:07 |
| Ikarus | got a sample one somewhere | 03:07 |
| * SpeedEvil wonders if he's logged in through the phone proxy still. | 03:07 | |
| Ikarus | but it's not quite complete | 03:07 |
| SpeedEvil | hmm - guess so. | 03:08 |
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| SpeedEvil | Wonder why firefox doesn't understand far-end DNS for socks | 03:08 |
| SpeedEvil | meh | 03:08 |
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| Ikarus | SpeedEvil: far-end DNS ? | 03:09 |
| pigeon | there's an about:config for it i think | 03:09 |
| Ikarus | it's just an option for it | 03:09 |
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| pigeon | but i use foxyproxy, which is much more convenient | 03:09 |
| pigeon | (an addon) | 03:09 |
| Ikarus | network.proxy.socks_remote_dns | 03:09 |
| SpeedEvil | ah | 03:10 |
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| SpeedEvil | yeah - I don't see any easy options | 03:11 |
| SpeedEvil | I suppose I should reinstall foxyproxy | 03:11 |
| SpeedEvil | hmm | 03:11 |
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| pigeon | hmm, installed ringtoned, but i don't get the "set custom ringtone" button | 03:17 |
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| SpeedEvil | I have found tcpick - which is nice. This reassembles tcp streams into files. This is 99% of what I want - you get client and server files per connection. | 03:28 |
| SpeedEvil | I'm looking for something similar to debug issues - that ideally would be like a datestamped hexdump -C of each file | 03:28 |
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| Macer | hm | 03:31 |
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| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer51: with that BSI thing | 03:49 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer51: BME seems to read it couple times | 03:49 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer51: 5 to be more precise | 03:49 |
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| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer51: then sorts it and then i'm not sure yet | 03:50 |
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| Termana | good morning | 04:32 |
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| f00bar80 | I'm between E72 and N900, my needs are mainly VOIP(sip client)+PPTP-VPN and SSH , anybody can advice which of them can be the best for these mentioned needs ??? | 05:32 |
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| f00bar80 | anybody there ? | 05:37 |
| SpectralNewt | nope | 05:38 |
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| f00bar80 | SpectralNewt, cool .. so what's your opinion ? | 05:47 |
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| SpectralNewt | f00bar80: i've used e71 and n900 and i like them both. i prefer n900 for ssh. dunno a bout your voip | 06:05 |
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| f00bar80 | SpectralNewt, basically what's better regarding the voip performance , also both has same HSPDA support transfer rate ? | 06:11 |
| hatake_kakashi | one is powered by shitian, err symbian and the other is powered by linux | 06:12 |
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| hatake_kakashi | there's no ssh afaik for e71 | 06:13 |
| f00bar80 | hatake_kakashi, i know | 06:13 |
| hatake_kakashi | or any symbian for that matter | 06:13 |
| f00bar80 | hatake_kakashi, putty for symbian | 06:13 |
| hatake_kakashi | f00bar80, that's ssh client not ssh server, unless you wanted ssh client, maemo already has that | 06:14 |
| f00bar80 | hatake_kakashi, any idea about voip and pptp vpn support in maemo ? | 06:14 |
| hatake_kakashi | f00bar80, I've tried voip support on maemo, its not bad, but you'll need voip account as usual | 06:15 |
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| f00bar80 | hatake_kakashi, yea sure, and what's the Max. transfer rate of HSPDA ? | 06:16 |
| hatake_kakashi | f00bar80, not sure off my head, I'm sure its noted on the nokia's website or something, 10.2? I dunno | 06:16 |
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| f00bar80 | hatake_kakashi, what's meant by # TCP/IP support ?? | 06:21 |
| hatake_kakashi | from? | 06:21 |
| f00bar80 | hatake_kakashi, it's in the :Data network: | 06:24 |
| hatake_kakashi | f00bar80, still not following you, in n900 specs? | 06:24 |
| f00bar80 | hatake_kakashi, also from maemo does include a pptp vpn client ?? | 06:24 |
| hatake_kakashi | f00bar80, I don't know I think there is, you are always welcome to give google a search | 06:25 |
| f00bar80 | hatake_kakashi, they're using with MPPE | 06:26 |
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| jacekowski | f00bar80: it's linux | 06:28 |
| jacekowski | f00bar80: as long as you are willing to make your own kernel you can have whatever you like | 06:28 |
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| tripzero | lcuk, looks like they fixed the libmeegotouch-dev dep issue | 06:29 |
| tripzero | but apps still don't build against it... | 06:29 |
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| Macer | hi | 07:25 |
| luke-jr | anyone want a script to get 3G internet w/o service? | 07:25 |
| luke-jr | <.< | 07:25 |
| luke-jr | *actually only works for a remote BASH shell right now | 07:26 |
| Macer | 3G without service? | 07:26 |
| luke-jr | yeah | 07:26 |
| luke-jr | well, without a subscription :P | 07:26 |
| Macer | buy a 3G transceiver for your house and a sim card maker | 07:27 |
| luke-jr | lol fail | 07:27 |
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| Macer | or | 07:27 |
| Macer | steal someone else's phone | 07:27 |
| Macer | and use their sim until they cancel | 07:27 |
| luke-jr | or just use my script | 07:27 |
| luke-jr | see Macer, my script lets me use a cancelled SIM ;) | 07:27 |
| Macer | lies | 07:28 |
| luke-jr | no lies | 07:28 |
| luke-jr | at least in theory | 07:28 |
| luke-jr | installing the Perl modules I need on N900 right now | 07:28 |
| Macer | going through the emergency data connection? :-P | 07:28 |
| luke-jr | nah | 07:28 |
| Macer | it wont work | 07:28 |
| luke-jr | there is no emergency data AFAIK | 07:28 |
| luke-jr | it will | 07:28 |
| Macer | nope | 07:28 |
| Macer | :) | 07:28 |
| luke-jr | everything is tunneled over DNS | 07:28 |
| luke-jr | :) | 07:28 |
| Macer | still wont work | 07:29 |
| luke-jr | yep | 07:29 |
| luke-jr | I've tested the conceptual access | 07:29 |
| luke-jr | I can do DNS without a subscription | 07:29 |
| luke-jr | specifically, I can lookup AAAA records | 07:29 |
| luke-jr | up to 16 at a time ;) | 07:29 |
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| luke-jr | that gives me 120 * 16 bits per packet | 07:30 |
| luke-jr | anyhow, Gentoo is taking forever to install perl modules | 07:30 |
| luke-jr | so I'll have results in like 30 mins | 07:30 |
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| * luke-jr ponders whether or not to publish proof-of-concept... | 07:34 | |
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| abhaya | For some reason the internal memory on my n900 is corrupted. | 08:07 |
| abhaya | I tried sudo umount /dev/mmcblk0p1 and it gave Invalid argument as output. | 08:08 |
| abhaya | I canm5 seem to read or write from or to it | 08:08 |
| abhaya | can't | 08:09 |
| ShadowJK | You don't have it connected to a computer with usb, right? | 08:09 |
| abhaya | nope. | 08:10 |
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| ShadowJK | anything interesting in dmesg? | 08:12 |
| abhaya | Not really. | 08:15 |
| abhaya | Would flashing it take care of the int mem? | 08:15 |
| ShadowJK | Would need to flash both rootfs/fiasco and emmc images | 08:16 |
| ShadowJK | would erase your settings too unless you use the backup utility to create a backup on a microsd card | 08:17 |
| ShadowJK | So is it mounted right now? | 08:17 |
| abhaya | Looks like it. | 08:17 |
| abhaya | Do you have a paper on flashing rootfs/dfiasco/emmc? | 08:18 |
| ShadowJK | But you can't access /home/user/MyDocs? | 08:18 |
| ShadowJK | ~flashing | 08:18 |
| infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 08:18 |
| abhaya | thanjs | 08:18 |
| jacekowski | try rebooting | 08:19 |
| jacekowski | before doing any flashing | 08:19 |
| abhaya | ShadowJK: Um, there's only DMRc or whatever in it. | 08:19 |
| jacekowski | and then show us dmesg from a phone | 08:19 |
| abhaya | jacekowski: tried. | 08:19 |
| ShadowJK | what's dmrc? | 08:19 |
| abhaya | ShadowJK: dcim. | 08:19 |
| ShadowJK | ah | 08:19 |
| ShadowJK | df MyDocs | 08:20 |
| jacekowski | thing is that if p1 is corrupted scandisk on windows should fix it | 08:20 |
| ShadowJK | is that empty? | 08:20 |
| abhaya | ShadowJK: yes | 08:20 |
| abhaya | jacekowski: I don't run windows | 08:20 |
| ShadowJK | Ok, so it's /not/ mounted | 08:20 |
| abhaya | ShadowJK: I'll mount it then | 08:20 |
| ShadowJK | no wait | 08:20 |
| jacekowski | mkfs maybe | 08:21 |
| ShadowJK | I'd try fsck.vfat /dev/mmcblk0p1 | 08:21 |
| jacekowski | i would go straight for mkfs | 08:22 |
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| abhaya | mount returns invalid arg. | 08:22 |
| ShadowJK | Depends really on if there's data there you want to try save | 08:22 |
| abhaya | none. | 08:23 |
| ShadowJK | mkfs.vfat then.. | 08:23 |
| abhaya | fsck.vfat says 102 is not supported, only FAT 1 or 2 | 08:23 |
| ShadowJK | 102? wtf | 08:24 |
| abhaya | Aye | 08:24 |
| abhaya | after mkfs.vfat, reboot? | 08:25 |
| ShadowJK | That's probably what I'd do | 08:26 |
| abhaya | Alright, rebooting brb | 08:26 |
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| luke-jr | it's WORKING, Macer | 09:08 |
| luke-jr | not very reliably (I have to kill it when I'm done, and restart it, to make another session), but it WORKS | 09:08 |
| ptl | what works? | 09:26 |
| timeless_mbp | tunneling tcp over ipv6dns? | 09:28 |
| luke-jr | ptl: two-way stream over DNS, without a data plan | 09:30 |
| ptl | wow. Seems complicated. | 09:31 |
| luke-jr | actually, the client piece is under 200 lines | 09:31 |
| luke-jr | the core of it is under 100 | 09:31 |
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| luke-jr | the next logical step would be to make it somewhat stable. then get PPP working, or a simple tunnel to port 22 for SSH | 09:32 |
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| luke-jr | but I'm not sure how much further beyond proof-of-concept I want to go, seeing as I'm opposed to using it XD | 09:33 |
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| timeless_mbp | are you abusing the bits which are used for location support of e911? | 09:34 |
| luke-jr | no | 09:34 |
| luke-jr | nfc what those bits are | 09:35 |
| timeless_mbp | which bits are you borrowing? | 09:35 |
| luke-jr | it's just a series of AAAA lookups | 09:35 |
| timeless_mbp | but what provides AAAA? | 09:35 |
| luke-jr | which gets a 16-answer round-robin | 09:35 |
| timeless_mbp | ie why is AAAA available to your phone? | 09:35 |
| luke-jr | 16x AAAA is 1820 bits data | 09:35 |
| luke-jr | :) | 09:36 |
| luke-jr | T-Mobile has DNS on their 3G even for non-subscribers | 09:36 |
| timeless_mbp | one reason for AAAA is to enable phones to figure out their location | 09:36 |
| luke-jr | so you can go to their site to order service | 09:36 |
| timeless_mbp | ah | 09:36 |
| timeless_mbp | well | 09:36 |
| timeless_mbp | that's useless | 09:36 |
| luke-jr | lol | 09:36 |
| timeless_mbp | if people abuse it, they can limit the dns service to their domain | 09:36 |
| luke-jr | yeah | 09:36 |
| luke-jr | I just figured it'd be fun to write | 09:37 |
| timeless_mbp | so you're wasting effort building a system which has no requirement for reliability/availability | 09:37 |
| luke-jr | before I get data service | 09:37 |
| luke-jr | not wasted if I learn from it | 09:37 |
| ShadowJK | if only luke uses it maybe they wont notice it ;) | 09:37 |
| luke-jr | ShadowJK: I would object to using it myself, it's just for fun | 09:38 |
| Macer | didntknow there was a geoip filer for iptables | 09:38 |
| Macer | amazing how much crap comes out of china internetwise | 09:38 |
| luke-jr | Macer: is there? | 09:38 |
| luke-jr | lol, my thought exactly | 09:38 |
| Macer | considering its oppressive ways | 09:38 |
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| luke-jr | my PBX's filter is full of Chinese IPs | 09:39 |
| Macer | and its firewalling tactics | 09:39 |
| luke-jr | retards ring my phones at night -.- | 09:39 |
| Macer | yeah.. i had to ban all of hinets subnets | 09:39 |
| Macer | theres like 30 of them | 09:39 |
| ShadowJK | macer: websites on how to secure computers are firewalled and blocked, so every pc is full if malware sending crap ;p | 09:39 |
| Macer | haha | 09:39 |
| Macer | is that what it is? :) | 09:40 |
| Macer | google caved on free speech in china | 09:40 |
| Macer | money talks | 09:40 |
| Macer | yuan ftw | 09:40 |
| luke-jr | money nonsense | 09:40 |
| * RST38h moos evilly | 09:40 | |
| luke-jr | Google has to follow the law like everyone else | 09:40 |
| luke-jr | :p | 09:40 |
| ShadowJK | it only took 8 years to convince western ISPs to do something about infested customers | 09:40 |
| Macer | im sure their decision was more so related to money | 09:41 |
| ShadowJK | (the port 25 block) | 09:41 |
| luke-jr | ShadowJK: and now they're on the worse extreme :( | 09:41 |
| luke-jr | rather have port 25 unblocked than hopelessly blocked | 09:41 |
| Macer | me too | 09:41 |
| Macer | hinet keeps trying to relay through my mail server | 09:41 |
| Macer | it gets denied.. bit still | 09:42 |
| Macer | but | 09:42 |
| Macer | hinet is .tw tho | 09:42 |
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| Macer | but im pretty sure tw is still under the chinese iron fist | 09:42 |
| RST38h | no. | 09:43 |
| Macer | heh | 09:44 |
| RST38h | quite the opposite, it is under ITS OWN chinese iron fist | 09:44 |
| luke-jr | it might as well be | 09:44 |
| Macer | i thought they were part of the "republic" | 09:44 |
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| Macer | heh | 09:44 |
| RST38h | Macer: There are two republics | 09:44 |
| Macer | the peoples and the chineseownsyous? | 09:44 |
| RST38h | Macer: PRC and ROC | 09:45 |
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| RST38h | Mainland China is known as PRC | 09:45 |
| RST38h | Taiwan is ROC | 09:45 |
| Macer | well. communism is just a collective of "states" | 09:45 |
| luke-jr | Macer: basically, present-day Taiwan is the former China | 09:45 |
| luke-jr | PRC took over the mainland | 09:45 |
| luke-jr | but was too lazy to take over the isle | 09:45 |
| Macer | ironically enough. in soviet russia. states were supposed to be allowed to secede | 09:46 |
| Macer | :) | 09:46 |
| kerio | so... how do i tell Multimedia to go look at my brand new files? | 09:46 |
| Macer | i wonder what happened to the ones that tried | 09:46 |
| luke-jr | Taiwan/China is the only country to have been basically kicked out of the UN :P | 09:46 |
| Macer | i thought china was still in the un | 09:47 |
| luke-jr | Taiwan/Old China was kicked out and replaced with New China | 09:47 |
| RST38h | Macer <-- does not know what he is talking about. | 09:47 |
| Macer | heh | 09:47 |
| luke-jr | Macer: the government of Taiwan used to rule all of China | 09:47 |
| Macer | RST38h: i dont keep up with asian history | 09:48 |
| Macer | american arrogance :) | 09:48 |
| luke-jr | you'll have to learn it when they bomb your cities! | 09:48 |
| Macer | haha | 09:48 |
| Macer | i bet 1% of americans know who the canadian pm is | 09:48 |
| Macer | and 99% of canadians know who the us president is | 09:49 |
| Macer | luke-jr: like firefly? | 09:49 |
| Macer | with the whole pseudo english-chinese language? | 09:50 |
| luke-jr | ... | 09:51 |
| luke-jr | so 6-core AMD 3.2 GHz for $300 vs 6-core Intel 3.33 GHz for $970 | 09:51 |
| luke-jr | wtf? | 09:51 |
| luke-jr | is Intel *that* much better? | 09:51 |
| RST38h | AMD is that much worse | 09:52 |
| Macer | hahahaha | 09:52 |
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| Macer | wow tho... 6 core | 09:52 |
| Macer | thats pretty awesome | 09:52 |
| tank-man | theres a lower priced amd with 6 core too, $200 | 09:53 |
| luke-jr | seriously? Why not just get 3x 6-core AMD? | 09:53 |
| luke-jr | $200? then get 4 of those... | 09:53 |
| luke-jr | 24 cores | 09:53 |
| luke-jr | surely that can beat Intel? | 09:53 |
| tank-man | and the amd one just needs a bios update for current motherboards | 09:53 |
| RST38h | Anyone considered what you will do with all those cores? | 09:53 |
| Macer | are there even boards that support that? | 09:53 |
| RST38h | Especially given that they are connected to the same memory? | 09:53 |
| luke-jr | RST38h: I use Gentoo | 09:53 |
| Macer | RST38h: good virtualbox server | 09:53 |
| RST38h | luke: Was that supposed to mean "I do not consider things before choosing them"? =) | 09:54 |
| Macer | RST38h: get 256G of memory | 09:54 |
| luke-jr | RST38h: no, it was supposed to mean MAKEOPTS=-j25 | 09:54 |
| Macer | hahaha | 09:54 |
| RST38h | luke: eek! | 09:55 |
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| luke-jr | hmm | 09:56 |
| luke-jr | the weather here is being fairly LAME | 09:56 |
| luke-jr | thunder w/o rain? | 09:56 |
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| luke-jr | how boring can it get | 09:56 |
| Macer | you are going to be struck my lightning | 10:00 |
| Macer | and when you are on the ground sizzling with a stopped heart you will wish the weather had been even more lame .) | 10:01 |
| luke-jr | impossible | 10:02 |
| luke-jr | I'm inside. | 10:02 |
| Macer | ball lightning | 10:03 |
| Macer | shattering windows and tracking you down | 10:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer | nihau | 10:30 |
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| RST38h | "Are we using GNU Fortran compiler...." | 10:54 |
| * RST38h loves autoconf | 10:54 | |
| mortini | heh. | 10:55 |
| mortini | but is stdio.h there?! | 10:55 |
| RST38h | Pile of garbage checking for stuff that is either never going to eb used or not used since 5+ years ago | 10:55 |
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| RST38h | mortini: That is actually a good question. If I remember correctly, at least SuSe Linux did not let you compile helloworld if you did not have kernel sources installed | 10:56 |
| RST38h | mortini: its stdio.h referred to a header file in the kernel sources | 10:56 |
| mortini | ah. | 10:57 |
| mortini | I think i was reading fortran code just the other day. | 10:57 |
| mortini | this researcher's been working on this crazy fortran (I think) program for like 30 years. It's 800 pages long. | 10:58 |
| mortini | (printed pages) | 10:58 |
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| RST38h | ~1.6 | 11:01 |
| RST38h | MB of code then | 11:01 |
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| mortini | heh, doesn't seem like as much when you say it like that. | 11:03 |
| RST38h | that depends | 11:04 |
| mortini | on? | 11:04 |
| RST38h | on what that code does | 11:04 |
| RST38h | I mean it is not 1.6MB of phone directory entries, is it? | 11:05 |
| mortini | no, it's the actual code. i'm not sure what this guy is researching | 11:05 |
| mortini | been working with a number of them lately and can't keep them straight since I don't actually interact with the researchers much | 11:05 |
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| mortini | another job that guy runs docks various molecules together to see if they'll fit. so, it's probably something in that vein | 11:08 |
| RST38h | a'ok, another xchat dcc test | 11:09 |
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| Macer | what ever happened to quantum computers? | 11:24 |
| PolarFox | I'm working on it.. | 11:26 |
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| Macer | haha | 11:28 |
| PolarFox | ;) | 11:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | RST38h: seems to me like DCC is suffering from exactly same problems like SIP RTP | 11:39 |
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| SpectralNewt | I found that when i need to cough, it's useful for blowing out dust from keyboard | 12:55 |
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| kerio | n900 at the beach = awesomeness | 12:57 |
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| Stskeeps | when there | 12:58 |
| Stskeeps | 's radio coverage,yes | 12:58 |
| Appiah | kerio: people will think you're a creep if you run around taking photos of them | 12:58 |
| Appiah | trust me I , i tried | 12:58 |
| kerio | Appiah: nah, not taking pictures | 12:59 |
| kerio | just IRCing, like a proper nerd | 12:59 |
| cure` | lol who's the creep now :P | 12:59 |
| Appiah | =( | 13:04 |
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| LiraNuna | is MicroB opensource? | 13:19 |
| kerio | the rendering engine definetely is | 13:19 |
| LiraNuna | it's the only program on the N900 that has smooth, by-the-pixel dragging operation | 13:20 |
| LiraNuna | even the application list has noticeable lag | 13:20 |
| SpectralNewt | there is a lag that is necessary to initiate any drag operation | 13:24 |
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| SpectralNewt | to distinguish it from a click | 13:24 |
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| LiraNuna | SpectralNewt, not talking about initiation | 13:25 |
| SpectralNewt | And that lag is itself different from the refresh rate of the transition effect or panning | 13:25 |
| SpectralNewt | ok | 13:25 |
| * h0n3st_ is away: I'm busy | 13:25 | |
| SpectralNewt | i can only estimate, but it looks like about 12 fps to me | 13:25 |
| kerio | the whole menu is clickable, so you can't optimize that | 13:26 |
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| SpectralNewt | kerio: you can indeed, see liqbase by lcuk | 13:26 |
| LiraNuna | I've created a very simple Qt app, with a texture panning around the screen - and there's a noticable lag that makes the texture look like it's "chasing" the finger | 13:26 |
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| LiraNuna | I'm using OGL ES2 and the CPU usage is very low (~5%) | 13:27 |
| LiraNuna | I would really love to make it responsive | 13:27 |
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| SpectralNewt | LiraNuna: i think your issue should be a top priority | 13:27 |
| LiraNuna | is that sarcasm? | 13:28 |
| SpectralNewt | no | 13:28 |
| SpectralNewt | that people write this OO stuff without nearly enough consideration to performance | 13:28 |
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| SpectralNewt | it's been a plague on software performance for two decades | 13:29 |
| LiraNuna | I don't know what's the cause of the problem, Qt, Maemo events (i.e touch readings are slow) or the vsync bug from the SGX | 13:29 |
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| SpectralNewt | imnsho | 13:29 |
| LiraNuna | SpectralNewt, the whole reason I'm coding this is performance - I hate the original Ovi Maps | 13:29 |
| LiraNuna | it's slow as hell, and it's a shame since the N900 is a god damn powerhouse | 13:29 |
| SpectralNewt | well lcuk went through the fire to make liqbase fast. he learned what needed to be learned, and he implemented what he needed | 13:30 |
| SpectralNewt | LiraNuna: if your test app is small and simple, consider submitting it to the -devel mailing list(s) and asking 'why is this slow? isn't this a real problem for QT' ;) | 13:32 |
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| LiraNuna | SpectralNewt, I know how this will end: Qt will blame the HW, HW will blame Qt | 13:32 |
| LiraNuna | it'll eventually be closed as WONTFIX | 13:32 |
| jacekowski | well, software rendering is slow by design | 13:32 |
| LiraNuna | jacekowski, I am using opengl es 2 | 13:33 |
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| LiraNuna | read | 13:33 |
| jacekowski | are you doing it correctly? | 13:33 |
| LiraNuna | I'm using Qt's QPainter | 13:33 |
| LiraNuna | on a QGLWidget | 13:33 |
| LiraNuna | I'm guessing it's "right" because <LiraNuna> I'm using OGL ES2 and the CPU usage is very low (~5%) | 13:33 |
| SpectralNewt | yeah that does point-away from qt as the culprit too | 13:34 |
| jacekowski | that's not right | 13:34 |
| SpectralNewt | but can't be sure | 13:34 |
| jacekowski | qt is slow | 13:34 |
| jacekowski | the way how it processes events will make it lag | 13:34 |
| LiraNuna | SpectralNewt, well, the app list view suffers from the same view | 13:34 |
| LiraNuna | problem* | 13:34 |
| jacekowski | LiraNuna: it does? | 13:35 |
| SpectralNewt | hmm | 13:35 |
| LiraNuna | yep | 13:35 |
| LiraNuna | the graphics seem to 'chase' the finger | 13:35 |
| LiraNuna | the only place that is accurate to-the-pixel is MicroB | 13:35 |
| jacekowski | works on mine | 13:36 |
| jacekowski | ( i'm using that categorised app menu ) | 13:36 |
| LiraNuna | I don't | 13:36 |
| MohammadAG51 | which package is pyuic in? | 13:36 |
| LiraNuna | MohammadAG51, pyqt4-dev-tools - Development tools for PyQt4 | 13:37 |
| LiraNuna | apt-cache search pyuic # would've given you the answer | 13:38 |
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| LiraNuna | <jacekowski> the way how it processes events will make it lag | 13:39 |
| LiraNuna | can you elaborate? | 13:39 |
| LiraNuna | virtual functions? | 13:39 |
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| jacekowski | well, in a loop | 13:41 |
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| LiraNuna | http://lists.trolltech.com/qt-interest/2005-03/thread00136-0.html | 13:45 |
| LiraNuna | ? | 13:45 |
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| jacekowski | sort of | 13:47 |
| SpectralNewt | how would you verify that most easily | 13:47 |
| jacekowski | thing is that when qt gets an event | 13:47 |
| jacekowski | it adds it to a queue | 13:47 |
| jacekowski | and that queue is then processed in event loop | 13:47 |
| flux | so, pretty much instantly? | 13:47 |
| jacekowski | no | 13:48 |
| flux | what does it do in the mean time? | 13:48 |
| jacekowski | sleeps | 13:48 |
| LiraNuna | huh? | 13:49 |
| flux | really?! | 13:49 |
| jacekowski | yes | 13:49 |
| jacekowski | it has to | 13:49 |
| jacekowski | unless you want your cpu usage to be constantly at 100% | 13:49 |
| LiraNuna | event -> process loop -> sleep -> your code gets notified about the event ? | 13:49 |
| flux | jacekowski, it's called blocking on IO, not sleeping | 13:49 |
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| jacekowski | nah | 13:49 |
| flux | no reasonable program issues sleep or usleep and poll for events | 13:49 |
| jacekowski | well, qt does | 13:50 |
| jacekowski | event -> queue, and in another thread - check for events in queue -> sleep -> check for events -> sleep ...... | 13:50 |
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| flux | I just straced a simple qt program, and I find it only calls poll (that is, it waits for IO) | 13:51 |
| LiraNuna | I'm noticing a lag of at least 1.5 seconds | 13:51 |
| LiraNuna | I highly doubts events are that slow | 13:51 |
| jacekowski | http://doc.trolltech.com/3.3/qeventloop.html | 13:52 |
| jacekowski | LiraNuna: that's little bit too high | 13:52 |
| LiraNuna | I know | 13:52 |
| LiraNuna | it's not a drawing bug though | 13:52 |
| LiraNuna | cause the transition is smooth | 13:52 |
| LiraNuna | it just seems as if the animation is ~1 second behind | 13:53 |
| jacekowski | it might be that queue is growing faster than you are processing it | 13:53 |
| LiraNuna | that's how it feels | 13:53 |
| LiraNuna | http://pastie.org/private/xkfezbofcwtxf0mwmdhzg | 13:54 |
| LiraNuna | basically | 13:54 |
| LiraNuna | it's my very first Qt app, so constructive criticism is welcome | 13:54 |
| LiraNuna | you can try it here | 13:55 |
| jacekowski | can you send all files? | 13:55 |
| LiraNuna | http://github.com/LiraNuna/n900-google-maps | 13:55 |
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| flux | liranuna, well, I haven't written qt a lot, buy you could try putting map painting into a separate thread, in order to not block the main event loop | 13:55 |
| LiraNuna | isn't OGL unthread-safe | 13:56 |
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| flux | Pastie now auto-senses if line-wrap is a bad or good idea. Feedback? | 13:57 |
| flux | Pastie Pastie << self Blog | 13:57 |
| flux | * Pastie | 13:57 |
| flux | * New | 13:57 |
| flux | * Pastes | 13:57 |
| flux | * Search | 13:57 |
| jacekowski | but that doesn't stop you having qt in separate thread | 13:57 |
| flux | whops | 13:57 |
| jacekowski | how do i check out from that repository | 13:57 |
| jacekowski | git checkout http://github.com/LiraNuna/n900-google-maps.git | 13:57 |
| LiraNuna | git clone | 13:57 |
| jacekowski | that's a no go | 13:57 |
| LiraNuna | git clone http://github.com/LiraNuna/n900-google-maps | 13:58 |
| jacekowski | SVN FTW | 13:58 |
| LiraNuna | checkout is like 'svn reset' | 13:58 |
| LiraNuna | svn revert* | 13:58 |
| flux | liranuna, even if opengl isn't thread-safe, perhaps the APIs qt provides over it are? | 13:58 |
| flux | liranuna, besides apparently you ounly have one thread drawing on GL anyway? | 13:59 |
| * timeless_mbp chuckles | 13:59 | |
| timeless_mbp | very funny | 13:59 |
| LiraNuna | flux, sure, but isn't threads overkill for the N900? I'm really aiming for fast software | 14:00 |
| jacekowski | emmm | 14:00 |
| jacekowski | use threads | 14:00 |
| flux | liranuna, the thread would basically be used for discarding events | 14:00 |
| jacekowski | threads are fast | 14:00 |
| LiraNuna | any examples on how to do that? | 14:00 |
| flux | liranuna, what you're now doing implies that for each input received a map must be painted | 14:01 |
| jacekowski | ehhh | 14:01 |
| flux | alternatively I guess there's some idle-event which you could use? | 14:01 |
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| flux | QTimer with 0 timeout apparently works | 14:02 |
| LiraNuna | I've read QTimer is slow | 14:02 |
| flux | I'm not sure how do it only once, though | 14:02 |
| flux | you could write your own event loop as well (should be simple, using that QEventLoop) | 14:02 |
| LiraNuna | and do what? | 14:03 |
| flux | and when there are no more events in the event queue, perform the painting, if necessary | 14:03 |
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| flux | it feels to me perhaps the threaded solution would be simpler though, or atleast not much more complicated.. | 14:03 |
| LiraNuna | yeah | 14:04 |
| LiraNuna | trying to find any info on that | 14:04 |
| LiraNuna | http://www.qtcentre.org/threads/14887-QT-OpenGL-Thread-gt-aaaahhhhh-! | 14:05 |
| LiraNuna | see second post | 14:05 |
| flux | fatal: http://github.com/LiraNuna/n900-google-maps/info/refs not found: did you run git update-server-info on the server? | 14:05 |
| LiraNuna | must be github issue | 14:05 |
| LiraNuna | I can clone the repo | 14:05 |
| flux | nah, I used jacekowski's url :) | 14:05 |
| flux | (now it works) | 14:06 |
| LiraNuna | ah | 14:06 |
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| LiraNuna | okay so, I have added a timer that fires every 16ms (60FPS) | 14:24 |
| LiraNuna | and it's still the same issue | 14:24 |
| LiraNuna | just CPU usage spikes | 14:24 |
| SpectralNewt | 'something is interfering with something else' ;) | 14:26 |
| LiraNuna | ahha | 14:27 |
| LiraNuna | it *does* seem like there are "too many" events | 14:27 |
| LiraNuna | (mouse move?) | 14:27 |
| henkka | does some1 have more experience with nokia n900 | 14:27 |
| LiraNuna | even reducing the refresh rate to 24FPS doesn't make a difference | 14:28 |
| crashanddie | henkka: yes, and don't use language like that "some1" | 14:28 |
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| LiraNuna | to make sure I'm running the correct binary, I have set the refresh rate to 1sec and no, I'm not running a different binary | 14:28 |
| * SpectralNewt thinks back to the xsp pixel doubling debacle | 14:29 | |
| SpectralNewt | and the 'let's lie to userspace about screen refresh' decision | 14:30 |
| LiraNuna | ... | 14:30 |
| LiraNuna | this started from a fun project to "whatever, I'll let someone else do it in a decade or two" | 14:30 |
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| SpectralNewt | your choice | 14:31 |
| Venemo | w00t_: ping | 14:31 |
| SpectralNewt | i stuck at it for two months back in 2007/2008 | 14:31 |
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| MohammadAG | crashanddie, hey m8 | 14:32 |
| MohammadAG | :P | 14:32 |
| crashanddie | SpectralNewt: also reminds me of working for my previous employer, having a customer complain that they were getting "consistently 30% less performance than expected on this hardware". We sent them a patch, which did a simply tps_count *= 1.3 ("transactions per second) | 14:32 |
| SpectralNewt | oh man :) | 14:32 |
| FIQ|n900 | lol | 14:33 |
| crashanddie | this was temporary though, until we found the real source of the problem | 14:33 |
| crashanddie | but yeah, you don't want to piss off a 10+ million USD customer | 14:33 |
| SpectralNewt | "this routine is broken" "no it's not" "here's how i invoke it, is it wrong" "no" "then it's broken" "no it's not" | 14:34 |
| SpectralNewt | by the time i found the work-around all motivation was in the toilet | 14:35 |
| crashanddie | I got a call one day "Hi, I've been told by the US office that you developed library X for product Y, is that correct?" "Err, yes, but I don't do phone support" "Oh, but I talked to <big cheese's name> and he said you would help me" | 14:35 |
| crashanddie | I refresh my inbox, and indeed, an email from the big cheese telling me to be nice | 14:35 |
| LiraNuna | SpectralNewt, see what I mean | 14:35 |
| LiraNuna | :( | 14:35 |
| timeless_mbp | could someone please explain why a Finnish translation of "48 minutes" was 45 minutes? | 14:36 |
| Venemo | LiraNuna: still struggling with the map app? | 14:36 |
| LiraNuna | Venemo, yeah, mostly speed issues with Qt | 14:36 |
| jacekowski | timeless_mbp: their minutes are longer? | 14:36 |
| timeless_mbp | heh | 14:36 |
| Venemo | LiraNuna: that is very odd. | 14:36 |
| SpectralNewt | LiraNuna: perhaps what i should have done is release the app and let everyone complain about how broken it was | 14:36 |
| crashanddie | "What can I do for you?" "Well, I'm trying to run the library with .NET 2.1, and I'm getting compilation issues" "Compilation issues? .NET? You do realise I wrote a Java library, right?" "Oh... Are those not compatible?" "Not quite" "Could you recompile it for .NET and send it to me then?" | 14:36 |
| henkka | i need some help with removing icon shadows in nokia n900.. i know there is many sites for doing that, but tried it multiple times and not working. | 14:36 |
| LiraNuna | SpectralNewt, then it'll be MY fault | 14:37 |
| SpectralNewt | crashanddie: :) | 14:37 |
| LiraNuna | oh, you | 14:37 |
| LiraNuna | s/MY/YOUR/ | 14:37 |
| Venemo | crashanddire: That is just LOL. | 14:37 |
| SpectralNewt | LiraNuna: well it's one way of making the problem relevant to others | 14:37 |
| LiraNuna | non-programmers don't understand that, they expect 'bestest' results | 14:37 |
| SpectralNewt | as it stands it's only bothering you | 14:37 |
| LiraNuna | I doubt anyone else cares | 14:37 |
| timeless_mbp | henkka: eh? | 14:38 |
| crashanddie | Venemo: I've got tons of those stories, it's just not fun anymore :( | 14:38 |
| LiraNuna | and #qt-maemo isn't very helpful either\ | 14:38 |
| Venemo | LiraNuna: what about #qt? | 14:38 |
| SpectralNewt | laggy, slow gui will make reviews *shit* on meego | 14:38 |
| LiraNuna | Venemo, "too broad and platform independent, go o #qt-maemo" | 14:39 |
| crashanddie | Venemo: or people asking you how to print codes directly from their HSM (hardware security module). "What do you mean, 'print'? It's a cryptoprocessor, it doesn't do printing" "But it has an ethernet port, yes?" "well, yes, that's why you paid $25k for it" "But my printer has an ethernet port too, surely they are compatible" | 14:39 |
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| Venemo | LiraNuna: compile it for desktop, see how it works there | 14:39 |
| LiraNuna | Venemo, I test on desktop | 14:39 |
| LiraNuna | works great | 14:39 |
| LiraNuna | no matter what I do, too | 14:39 |
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| Macer | SpectralNewt: did you try it on the n900? | 14:40 |
| Macer | :) | 14:40 |
| Macer | or do they even have a gui yet? | 14:40 |
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| LiraNuna | Macer, they have a GUI but not HW-accelerated yet | 14:41 |
| Venemo | crashanddie: my favourite is this one: Lead developer: "You should make [feature], you have 3 days" Me: "okay, I think we should use the ASP.NET session state to store [thing X]" Ld: "No, we don't use session for that." Me: "Okay." ... [3 days pass] ... e-mail from my boss: "The lead developer says you should have used ASP.NET session state to store [thing X], because now it has a security hole" Me: ....... | 14:41 |
| Macer | must have taken it from mer | 14:41 |
| Macer | haha | 14:41 |
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| Stskeeps | wait, what? | 14:42 |
| * Macer hides | 14:42 | |
| crashanddie | Venemo: you now the security tokens that generate passwords? | 14:44 |
| crashanddie | Venemo: a 10 digit number that is only valid for a specific period of time? | 14:44 |
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| Venemo | crashanddie: the task was to allow users who want to order a coupon to add a personal text to their coupon | 14:45 |
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| Venemo | crashanddie: I recommended to store the coupon id in the session, and the lead developer wanted me to store it in the URL | 14:45 |
| Venemo | crashanddie: obviously, when stored in the URL, anyone could scan for any coupon ids very simply. | 14:46 |
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| crashanddie | Venemo: imagine having someone (a big cheese, again) call you and say "I'm typing my code in but it doesn't work", "what's the code", "6E58H9L1". I'm baffled, letters? "I'm sorry sir, but there can only be numbers in an OTP, the devices don't support..." he interrupts me "Hey, I can READ, can't I? Just fix it on your side". I think for a few seconds, not knowing what to answer, and then he goes "Oh wait, I was holding it upside | 14:48 |
| crashanddie | And this is on near CEO level of a security company that actually manufactures those devices... | 14:49 |
| SpectralNewt | HAHAHAHAHAHA | 14:51 |
| kerio | what was the H? | 14:51 |
| kerio | an upside-down H is still H | 14:51 |
| flux | liranuna, I wonder if you need to do some kind of manual double-buffering if one wants to render anything outside the event loop.. | 14:51 |
| crashanddie | kerio: it was a 4 | 14:51 |
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| SpectralNewt | h | 14:51 |
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| Venemo | crashanddie: haha! :D | 14:52 |
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| smhar_ | what is the best english/english dictionary for N900? | 14:56 |
| crashanddie | a dictionnary that translates from english to english? Nice. | 14:57 |
| crashanddie | Does it work in the other way too? I mean, English to English? | 14:58 |
| flux | it works recursively | 14:58 |
| kerio | crashanddie: there's already one | 14:58 |
| flux | you can look up the words it uses again in the dictionary. | 14:58 |
| kerio | it's called echo | 14:58 |
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| Venemo | crashanddie: perhaps smhar_ means a dictionary which explains the meaning of an English word in English... pretty useul if you are learning the language | 14:59 |
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| smhar_ | Venemo, right | 14:59 |
| crashanddie | smhar_: I tend to use "define:word" on google | 15:00 |
| smhar_ | crashanddie, I mean an offline one | 15:00 |
| crashanddie | btw, people, do that type "define:word" in google | 15:00 |
| crashanddie | about halfway through the definition list, Google will insult you and say you're an "asshole" | 15:01 |
| RST38h | It does not | 15:02 |
| RST38h | Just informs you what "Asshole" stands for | 15:02 |
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| RST38h | very informative, too | 15:03 |
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| RST38h | Its first appearance as an insult term in a newspaper indexed by Google News is in 1965 | 15:05 |
| Macer | RST38h: huh? | 15:05 |
| RST38h | you did not know google news indexed news archives? =) | 15:05 |
| RST38h | In the United States, and, to a lesser degree, in Canada, the words arse and ass have become synonymous; however, in the rest of the English-speaking world, ass still only refers to the donkey, rather than the arse (buttocks). | 15:06 |
| RST38h | Hmmm, didn't know that | 15:06 |
| Macer | see! the internet is educational | 15:07 |
| Macer | i didn't know that passing through a supermassive black hole wormhole still keeps you trapped in an event horizon and you die seeing a parallel universe | 15:07 |
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| Macer | talk about an awesome way to die. but then again i'm sure the tial forces would rip you apart down to the quark first | 15:08 |
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| RST38h | Shows how linguistic knowledge is more useful than astrophysical... | 15:08 |
| Macer | well. you can't describe things without words | 15:09 |
| Macer | one might go so far as to even use the abstraction that all things are man-made | 15:09 |
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| RST38h | You can, with math =) | 15:10 |
| SpeedEvil | Math is also a language though. | 15:10 |
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| RST38h | Google indicates there are differing opinion on that =) | 15:12 |
| Macer | RST38h: google is going to place you in the games | 15:12 |
| Macer | eof | 15:12 |
| RST38h | Ok, if you had some bugs to report in XChat, now is a good time | 15:12 |
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| Macer | it doesn't do portrait mode | 15:13 |
| Macer | :-P | 15:13 |
| RST38h | ok, fuck the portrait mode. | 15:13 |
| Macer | haha | 15:13 |
| SpeedEvil | RST38h: you have the long list that I posted to talk 6 months ago? | 15:13 |
| Macer | speaking of irc clients. does telepathy do irc channels yet? | 15:13 |
| Venemo | Macer: there is an IRC plugin for it if that's what you're asking for | 15:13 |
| Macer | Venemo: last i heard it only worked with msgs | 15:14 |
| RST38h | Speed: A URL will be appreciated | 15:14 |
| Macer | it didn't allow you to join a # | 15:14 |
| SpeedEvil | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=626328 | 15:14 |
| RST38h | Speed: I think I have kinda squashed the DCC reception bug but cannot fully test it (NAT) | 15:14 |
| Venemo | Macer: well, there is an "IRC plugin for Conversations and Contacts"... I dunno how it works though | 15:14 |
| RST38h | Will go over the rest in a moment | 15:14 |
| Macer | Venemo: that would be the one that doesn't allow you to join a # ;) | 15:14 |
| Macer | but i could be wrong. it has been a while. | 15:15 |
| Macer | i am a big fan of the integrated apps | 15:15 |
| SpeedEvil | DCC recieve has always worked for me | 15:15 |
| SpeedEvil | DCC recieve is an _outbound_ connection | 15:15 |
| Macer | i would prefer to use stock stuff whenever possible | 15:15 |
| SpeedEvil | so shouldn't generally have problems | 15:16 |
| RST38h | A'ok | 15:16 |
| RST38h | A'ok | 15:16 |
| Macer | doesn't dcc still required an open inbound port? | 15:16 |
| RST38h | 15:16 | |
| Venemo | Macer: I haven't tried it but others said it works fine... hm. | 15:16 |
| RST38h | SpeedEvil" Yes but there was some trouble selecting the destination folder | 15:16 |
| SpeedEvil | Macer: no | 15:16 |
| Macer | Venemo: let me try it out :) | 15:16 |
| Macer | SpeedEvil: hm. didn't know that. | 15:16 |
| Venemo | Macer: I'll try, too | 15:16 |
| SpeedEvil | Macer: no - oly for senging | 15:16 |
| SpeedEvil | sending | 15:16 |
| RST38h | SpeedEvil: Input widget height - not changeable. | 15:17 |
| RST38h | SpeedEvil: Blame Nokia gutting its GTK+ fork. | 15:17 |
| SpeedEvil | Macer: For sending - you need some way to punch a hole. | 15:17 |
| SpeedEvil | :/ | 15:17 |
| SpeedEvil | patch the lib - upload to extras! | 15:17 |
| SpeedEvil | :) | 15:17 |
| Macer | heh | 15:17 |
| RST38h | SpeedEvil: You do that. | 15:17 |
| Macer | well. let me take a look at this irc plugin | 15:17 |
| RST38h | Scroll bar - looking at it right now, to make it wider | 15:17 |
| Macer | but i'm sure someone here said it doesn't let you join #s | 15:18 |
| SpeedEvil | Wider - for me - isn't the issue | 15:18 |
| Venemo | Macer: I'll try it, too. I'm curious now | 15:18 |
| SpeedEvil | I simply cannot see the scrollbar block | 15:18 |
| SpeedEvil | In all but the most ideal of conditions | 15:18 |
| SpeedEvil | default theme | 15:18 |
| RST38h | SpeedEvil: Well, I am inclined to say the same thing as with the input widget | 15:19 |
| RST38h | SpeedEvil: But in this case, I can probably do something to help | 15:19 |
| SpeedEvil | actually - it's quite visible indoors | 15:19 |
| SpeedEvil | but it's not outside | 15:19 |
| RST38h | Making it wider should do the trick | 15:19 |
| SpeedEvil | not at all for me | 15:19 |
| SpeedEvil | I can easily see objects the size of the scrollbar, it's simply that those shades of gray do not render at all when the screen is in transflective mode | 15:20 |
| SpeedEvil | I assume there is also no way to make the outline of the scrollbar block larger? | 15:20 |
| RST38h | there may be | 15:22 |
| RST38h | looking at it | 15:22 |
| jacekowski | LiraNuna: it looks like lag is coming from opengl part itself | 15:22 |
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| SpeedEvil | Also - many thanks in polishing xchat! | 15:27 |
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| RST38h | I do what I can | 15:28 |
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| Venemo | Macer: hm. I seem to be unable to join a channel with that plugin. | 15:31 |
| RST38h | Ok, its main view is a GdkWindow | 15:31 |
| Venemo | Macer: but I can pm myself :P | 15:32 |
| RST38h | I do not see where it allocates scrollbars =( | 15:32 |
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| RST38h | must be textgui.c | 15:33 |
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| RST38h | found it | 15:37 |
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| SpeedEvil | I was wondering why media player was skipping. Then I realised I was still compiling ffmpeg and coreutils | 15:47 |
| RST38h | evil | 15:47 |
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| MohammadAG51 | RST38h, use a normal text input field so we can paste multiline | 15:59 |
| RST38h | it is a normal text input field | 15:59 |
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| MohammadAG51 | RST38h, nope, it's a hildon on | 16:01 |
| MohammadAG51 | e | 16:01 |
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| RST38h | Sorry for a stupid question but could someone explain to me, in cow terms, how I add kinetic scrolling to an arbitrary widget? | 16:04 |
| Termana | RST38h, moo. moo moo moo moo, moo moo moo moo, moo moo... moo, moo. | 16:05 |
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| Termana | I hope that helped | 16:08 |
| lcuk | RST38h, adding it to an instance of a specific widget (im guessing xchat textbox) would require handling mouse events and paint/timer events to know when you started a pan/keep it updating | 16:08 |
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| lcuk | i havent seen a generic function to allow tying it together in one call in initialization yet (but that doesnt mean it hasnt been made) | 16:09 |
| RST38h | Ok, it will not work with xchat | 16:09 |
| RST38h | XChat text box is a GdkWindow, not a GtkWidget | 16:10 |
| SpeedEvil | something like what fbreader does would - mostly - work for me | 16:10 |
| RST38h | Otherwise, I would make it HildonpannableArea | 16:10 |
| RST38h | Speed: And no, I failed changing scroll bar size =( | 16:10 |
| SpeedEvil | :) | 16:10 |
| RST38h | I.e. I changed it but it did not :) | 16:10 |
| kerio | xchat for n900 is fucking epic | 16:12 |
| lcuk | RST38h, dont the width of sliders come from the gtkrc? | 16:12 |
| lcuk | or is again the xchat window custom for speed already | 16:12 |
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| kerio | oh yeah, lack of panning is lame | 16:15 |
| RST38h | lcuk: in theory it does | 16:15 |
| lcuk | RST38h, even if it was not kinetic panning, finger panning would be feasible with a fairly simplistic hook into mouse events | 16:17 |
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| Vanadis | hai | 16:17 |
| Vanadis | My n900 crashed, probably because of high temperature | 16:18 |
| Vanadis | are there any logfiles to check? | 16:18 |
| lcuk | what makes you think it was high temperature specifically | 16:19 |
| RST38h | lcuk: you will loseselection then | 16:19 |
| RST38h | yes, was it glowing red? =) | 16:19 |
| SpeedEvil | liqchat - the killer app? | 16:19 |
| Vanadis | because its about 40° C in my room | 16:19 |
| Vanadis | and the phone was really hot, when i touched it | 16:20 |
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| lcuk | RST38h, thats a choice many of the old apps have with retrofitted scrolling | 16:20 |
| lcuk | lol SpeedEvil | 16:21 |
| * RST38h leaves the scrollbar in place | 16:21 | |
| lcuk | RST38h, mouse events - if you move left/right initially its selection mode - if you grossly obviously move up/down its usually for motion? | 16:21 |
| RST38h | heh, Jobs has invented the new way to brainfuck developers | 16:21 |
| * lcuk agrees to leave it | 16:21 | |
| lcuk | Vanadis, is this the first time your machine has crashed | 16:22 |
| Vanadis | jep | 16:22 |
| lcuk | and what actually happened | 16:22 |
| RST38h | "One developer reported Thursday that he earned $1,400 in one day for his flashlight app. The amount iAds pay is 'a high number when you get it, but you don't get it very often,' said Dave Yonamine, the director of marketing at MobilityWare. " | 16:22 |
| lcuk | Vanadis, "cat /proc/bootreason" | 16:22 |
| Vanadis | kthx | 16:23 |
| Vanadis | sw_rst | 16:23 |
| * RST38h killed Vanadis' n900 | 16:23 | |
| Vanadis | ^^ | 16:24 |
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| lcuk | SpeedEvil, there have been tests btw http://liqbase.net/liq.20091201_141600._maemo.scr.png | 16:25 |
| Termana | lcuk, ooo I like how it automatically grabbed the pics from the link and showed them | 16:26 |
| SpeedEvil | :/ | 16:26 |
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| SpeedEvil | Vanadis: overclocking? | 16:28 |
| Vanadis | currently not | 16:29 |
| Vanadis | but sometimes on 850 | 16:29 |
| SpeedEvil | doing anything wierd? | 16:30 |
| lcuk | Termana, yeah it does it for links and stuff too | 16:30 |
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| Vanadis | weird not, but it was at high load | 16:32 |
| RST38h | Ahhahaha, Exxon is going to swallow BP | 16:33 |
| SpeedEvil | doubtful. | 16:33 |
| RST38h | Well, at least they indicated an intent to do so | 16:33 |
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| wazd | RST38h: o/ | 16:40 |
| RST38h | heya wazd =) | 16:42 |
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| Finnish | Hi | 16:44 |
| Finnish | How do you enable multiple discs/isos in amiga emulator? | 16:44 |
| kerio | i'm getting a consistant 10dBm drop in signal when holding the n900 with the right hand (landscape) | 16:44 |
| kerio | is that common? | 16:44 |
| wazd | RST38h: how's it going? :) | 16:44 |
| RST38h | wazd: too hot =( | 16:45 |
| wazd | RST38h: you tell me :) | 16:45 |
| RST38h | + got a laptop venting hot air like it is going to explode | 16:45 |
| wazd | RST38h: heh :) | 16:45 |
| kerio | RST38h: cover it with ice | 16:45 |
| RST38h | On the other hand, looks like I have finally found the Fix for the N900 performance troubles | 16:46 |
| wazd | RST38h: I'm going to buy HP tpuchsmart tm2 - it's pretty cool, even under heavy load | 16:46 |
| wazd | touchsmart* | 16:46 |
| RST38h | wazd: Probably got more casing on it =) | 16:46 |
| kerio | what troubles? | 16:46 |
| RST38h | wazd: This R500 thing is practically barebone, its casing thin like paper | 16:46 |
| RST38h | wazd: Hopefully getting a new one (R700) in a week though, this one has got a broken display =( | 16:47 |
| wazd | RST38h: well, HP is not thin at all :D | 16:47 |
| luke-jr | anyone know a cheap phone that fits the description of "just barely open enough to be modified to make calls via DNS"? | 16:47 |
| RST38h | luke: define DNS | 16:47 |
| Corsac | calls via dns? | 16:48 |
| kerio | hahaha | 16:48 |
| kerio | luke-jr: openmoko | 16:48 |
| wazd | RST38h: the only downside is that Russia, as any good thirld-world country gets only lowest config :) | 16:48 |
| luke-jr | kerio: keyword: cheap | 16:48 |
| RST38h | wazd: Well, you know how I avoid this downside... | 16:48 |
| luke-jr | Corsac: DNS to PBX which calls back | 16:48 |
| kerio | you'll save on the calls | 16:49 |
| kerio | :P | 16:49 |
| Termana | wazd, in Soviet Russian, country configures you! | 16:49 |
| kerio | luke-jr: just go voip | 16:49 |
| wazd | RST38h: yeah :) | 16:49 |
| kerio | :D | 16:49 |
| luke-jr | kerio: VoIP requires GPRS and probably doesn't have the quality guarantees | 16:49 |
| luke-jr | err, requires data service* | 16:49 |
| wazd | RST38h: I hope I'll have that solution one day :P | 16:49 |
| * RST38h thinks he will get all violent if he hears just one more "in soviet russia" joke | 16:49 | |
| kerio | luke-jr: can't you just call and wait for a callback? | 16:50 |
| luke-jr | in soviet russia, thinks just work | 16:50 |
| luke-jr | things8 | 16:50 |
| wazd | RST38h: in soviet russia, violence gets you :D | 16:50 |
| RST38h | wazd: If it makes you feel better, Europe is also not getting the best stuff | 16:50 |
| Termana | :D | 16:50 |
| luke-jr | kerio: I hear DTMF is blocked | 16:50 |
| RST38h | wazd: And prices are higher than in the US | 16:50 |
| wazd | RST38h: damn :) | 16:50 |
| kerio | voice recognition | 16:50 |
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| RST38h | wazd: On the other hand, if you need an ASUS or an LG, or a Samsung, you have got better chances to find the right one in .RU =) | 16:51 |
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| wazd | RST38h: who needs samsung or LG anyway :) | 16:51 |
| RST38h | wazd: Net journos who get paid by them =) | 16:52 |
| SpeedEvil | kerio: hands absorb RF | 16:52 |
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| RST38h | wazd: Looks like Samsung bribed DPReview, of all things | 16:52 |
| kerio | SpeedEvil: i know | 16:52 |
| SpeedEvil | kerio: At least at 800-2.4GHz | 16:52 |
| RST38h | wazd: Check out this review: http://dpreview.com/reviews/samsungtl500/ | 16:52 |
| wazd | RST38h: I was looking at ASUS UL30J recently, very nice laptop, but touchsmart's built in wacom is a deal for me pants down | 16:52 |
| SpeedEvil | kerio: 3G ? | 16:52 |
| RST38h | wazd: Look at the samples comparison. Then read the conclusion and weep =) | 16:53 |
| kerio | yeah | 16:53 |
| SpeedEvil | kerio: I get that too - display up also can hurt | 16:53 |
| RST38h | wazd: Asus stuff actually looks ok, but I am scared like hell of what is inside, after bad experience with Asus Digimatrix | 16:53 |
| kerio | :( | 16:53 |
| kerio | grip of death indeed | 16:54 |
| kerio | that sounds like a bad design choice | 16:55 |
| SpeedEvil | wow - ffmpeg - especial fail. | 16:56 |
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| SpeedEvil | If no /usr/local/bin - it drops the first binary as /usr/local/bin | 16:56 |
| SpeedEvil | And then fails on the others. | 16:56 |
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| RST38h | Ehehe: http://www.newsweek.com/2010/07/10/the-creativity-crisis.html | 17:01 |
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| timeless_mbp | RST38h: wow, i was about to buzz that | 17:07 |
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| pyther | Maemo 5 is Fremantle correct? | 17:23 |
| Stskeeps | right | 17:23 |
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| pyther | Hmm then how can I downolad this? http://maintenance.maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras_free_i386/rsync/3.0.4-3maemo3/ | 17:24 |
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| pyther | it isn't in the repos :( | 17:24 |
| Stskeeps | ~extras | 17:25 |
| SpeedEvil | apt-get install rsync | 17:25 |
| infobot | extras is probably http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras | 17:25 |
| SpeedEvil | i386 is 386 | 17:25 |
| SpeedEvil | desktop PC | 17:25 |
| pyther | ya I grabbed the wrong link | 17:25 |
| pyther | I have extras enabled | 17:25 |
| pyther | http://maintenance.maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras_free_armel/rsync/3.0.4-3maemo3/ | 17:25 |
| SpeedEvil | Seems to be | 17:26 |
| SpeedEvil | does apt-get work? | 17:26 |
| SpeedEvil | some stuff doesn't appear in HAM for reasons I should probably understand | 17:26 |
| SpeedEvil | grsync will prolly pull it in | 17:26 |
| pyther | SpeedEvil: yep apt-get did the trick thanks | 17:28 |
| kerio | does fapman work better than HAM? | 17:29 |
| pyther | Hmm doesn't seem like rsync wants to work in both directions :( | 17:29 |
| kerio | pyther: he's just embarassed and confused about his identity | 17:29 |
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| timeless_mbp | pyther: ham only shows user visible apps | 17:36 |
| timeless_mbp | rsync has no gui | 17:36 |
| timeless_mbp | so installing it w/ ham makes no sense | 17:36 |
| timeless_mbp | but if you you want to use rsync the other way, install ssh-server | 17:37 |
| kerio | really, answering "y" to the apt-get prompt doesn't work | 17:37 |
| kerio | the fuck | 17:37 |
| SpeedEvil | wfm | 17:38 |
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| timeless_mbp | http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/jul/11/barefoot-bandit-arrested-the-bahamas | 17:40 |
| pyther | I have way to much music | 17:40 |
| kerio | Do you want to continue [Y/n]? y | 17:40 |
| kerio | Abort. | 17:40 |
| kerio | this makes *no sense* | 17:41 |
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| RST38h | Another potential Anonymous Cult saint. | 17:44 |
| SpeedEvil | Ah - a mothers love. | 17:45 |
| SpeedEvil | 'Harris-Moore's mother, Pam Kohler, said last week that many of the allegations made against her son were false but that she was hoping he would eventually reach a country without an extradition agreement with the US' | 17:45 |
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| * RST38h hopes for the same: it will make the whole thing even funnier | 17:46 | |
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| PhonicUK | 'lo all | 17:47 |
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| zogg_laptop | hey is C channel invites only on freenode? | 18:00 |
| zogg_laptop | MohammadAG51, \o/ | 18:00 |
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| zogg_laptop | sup | 18:00 |
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| Arkenoi | is huge (5) /proc/sys/vm/page_cluster justified on n900 and ssd swap at all? or it is just a default no one bothered to change? | 18:03 |
| RST38h | Arkenoi: I think it is related to the notion that an MMC card can only write in 256kB increments | 18:04 |
| RST38h | I.e. it has to do a block-erase and then write new block contents | 18:05 |
| RST38h | So, it is set to 32 pages = 32*4kB = 128kB | 18:05 |
| kerio | what if you just overwrite content? | 18:06 |
| timeless_mbp | you don't | 18:06 |
| timeless_mbp | the underlying architecture doesn't have that ability | 18:06 |
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| RST38h | kerio: can't "overwrite content" on the MMC | 18:06 |
| timeless_mbp | writes are always to new blocks | 18:06 |
| RST38h | kerio: See wiki on "nand memory" | 18:07 |
| timeless_mbp | if you overwrote the same blocks repeatedly, you'd fry your target much faster | 18:07 |
| timeless_mbp | so, oddly, nokia did tune something to fit the device it shipped | 18:07 |
| timeless_mbp | i know it doesn't make sense for a hardware vendor to actually do something sensible | 18:07 |
| * RST38h wonders what would happen if page_cluster were set to 6 (i.e. MMC block size) | 18:07 | |
| timeless_mbp | but once in a while, accidents happen | 18:07 |
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| Arkenoi | RST38h, true, but page_cluster is affecting read operations more? if you write something to memory page, it is unlikely to be swapped out really soon. | 18:09 |
| RST38h | Arkenoi: Feel like going out today? | 18:09 |
| Arkenoi | maybe, it is damn hot out there | 18:10 |
| RST38h | Arkenoi: Getting better | 18:10 |
| RST38h | Arkenoi: Should be ok by 20:00, as long as we stay in the shade | 18:10 |
| RST38h | Quoting from LinuxInsight: "page-cluster controls the number of pages which are written to swap in a single attempt. The swap I/O size." | 18:10 |
| RST38h | nothing about read operations | 18:11 |
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| RST38h | Sounds more like it is telling the swap mechanism not to bother until its has 2^(page-cluster) pages to dump | 18:11 |
| RST38h | Does not say if they have to be consecutive though | 18:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | favourites karma rating is odd, so is the bargraph which is about same size on my page on .25 as is the 181 bar for some other value | 18:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | who's doing that? | 18:12 |
| timeless_mbp | RST38h: where are you physically? | 18:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | X-Fade, dneary? | 18:12 |
| RST38h | timeless: Moscow. | 18:12 |
| RST38h | Doc: They fucked up karma computation. A while ago. | 18:13 |
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| RST38h | Doc: Well known problem, been discussed ad nauseum | 18:13 |
| zogg_laptop | RST38h, moscow sucks, viva la kaluga | 18:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | mhm | 18:13 |
| * RST38h checks weather in Kaluga | 18:13 | |
| zogg_laptop | DocScrutinizer, hey | 18:14 |
| zogg_laptop | RST38h, i'm not there anyway =) | 18:14 |
| RST38h | Zogg: Not much better, still sucks. | 18:14 |
| timeless_mbp | does Vaibhav Sharma irc? | 18:14 |
| RST38h | Zogg: lcuk offered cold rain this morning though, so wherever he is, it must be better than here | 18:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil's place should be nice | 18:15 |
| RST38h | Doc: Someone set all bug-reporting karma to nil, while letting bloggers have unlimited karma | 18:15 |
| RST38h | Doc: Also did some weird crap to favorites, but that was less hilarious | 18:16 |
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| Arkenoi | btw, still not a single handset fried with OC, despite all scaremonger stuff. | 18:16 |
| SpeedEvil | nice and sunny ATM | 18:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | Arkenoi: wrong | 18:17 |
| SpeedEvil | Arkenoi: not on single handset reported as fried with OC | 18:17 |
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| Arkenoi | DocScrutinizer, SpeedEvil i doubt there are reasons to hide it for anyone | 18:18 |
| RST38h | TI did not want a PR crisis on their hands, so they underclocked it | 18:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: also wrong | 18:18 |
| RST38h | But I would be really interested to know what Nokia's own stats on the fried CPUs are | 18:18 |
| SpeedEvil | RST38h: I extremely doubt they have any | 18:18 |
| RST38h | Have they fried at least a few while developing? | 18:19 |
| Arkenoi | DocScrutinizer, really? | 18:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Arkenoi: I doubt there are *good* reasons to state false facts | 18:19 |
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| RST38h | Arkenoi: Anyways, the swappiness trick has done it for me: I do not need overclocking | 18:20 |
| Arkenoi | DocScrutinizer, so there are reports on that? and why there are none on tmo and where can we get the details? | 18:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | Arkenoi: and your statement even double wrong, even by underlaying context. Usually devices get unreliable or show strange sporadic defects, none will 'fry' | 18:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | except the one which actually did | 18:20 |
| RST38h | Doc <--- correct | 18:20 |
| MohammadAG51 | as always | 18:20 |
| * RST38h overclocked ARM-based hardware before. What you most often get is random coredumps, usually from sections of code that do a lot of memory accesses | 18:20 | |
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| RST38h | Because memory timings tend to go haywire first :) | 18:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | RST38h: or driver settings for membus | 18:21 |
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| Arkenoi | i have crash reporter installed, so i see all coredumps that usually get unnoticed by user. i do not see the rate to be increased any way after a few months. | 18:21 |
| RST38h | Well, my hardware had no drivers tor speak about :) | 18:22 |
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| RST38h | Arkenoi: BTW, I cannot create a single coredump | 18:22 |
| Arkenoi | and actually there was plenty of those before, just "invisible" if you have no crash reporter installed | 18:22 |
| RST38h | Arkenoi: Is there a magic trick? | 18:22 |
| * RST38h has directory created on mmc, and ulimit set | 18:22 | |
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| SpeedEvil | Arkenoi: I don't think anyone has ever argued that overclocking will fry any given CPU over x months. | 18:22 |
| odin_ | RST38h, core dump on N900 ? what paths have you got set on mmc ? | 18:23 |
| SpeedEvil | Arkenoi: It may damage only a small fraction of CPUs after a year, or ... | 18:23 |
| RST38h | odin: a moment | 18:23 |
| Arkenoi | RST38h, i have "crash reporter" installed which does it for me | 18:23 |
| Arkenoi | did not try by hand | 18:23 |
| SpeedEvil | http://www.gnu.org/software/gdb/news/reversible.html | 18:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | Arkenoi: if you see rate increasing, it's too late, dude | 18:23 |
| SpeedEvil | It would be so cool if you could enable that for all processes cheaply | 18:23 |
| RST38h | odin: /home/user/MyDocs/core-dumps | 18:24 |
| SpeedEvil | (the ability to step backwards though a crashed program to get to before it crashes) | 18:24 |
| RST38h | Speed: Old news | 18:24 |
| SpeedEvil | Indeed. | 18:24 |
| RST38h | Speed: You can only do this on an emulator | 18:24 |
| odin_ | RST38h, I have /media/mmc1/core-dumps/ (as I have MMC installed) | 18:24 |
| SpeedEvil | I only recently discovered it | 18:24 |
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| odin_ | RST38h, do you have eMMC only or "eMMC and MMC" ? | 18:24 |
| RST38h | Speed: [Here I am supposed to advertise the emulation product we are working on at Intel] | 18:24 |
| RST38h | odin: I have an external card as well | 18:25 |
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| SpeedEvil | RST38h: Oooh! Can it emulate ARM, and use the same amount of power! | 18:25 |
| RST38h | odin: Does it matter? | 18:25 |
| RST38h | Speed: No, you will have to switch to Atom ;) | 18:25 |
| odin_ | RST38h, then create that dir, I seem to remember it was brain dead to working out that dir does not exist, if the /media/mmc1 is there is will always try and send there | 18:25 |
| RST38h | A'ok | 18:25 |
| RST38h | Done | 18:26 |
| * SpeedEvil wishes the fusion power source next to his genitals was more powerful. | 18:26 | |
| SpeedEvil | s/fusion/fission/ | 18:26 |
| RST38h | Eat more plutonium | 18:26 |
| SpeedEvil | http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/BLUE-NITE-TRITIUM-GADGET-KEYRING-GLOWRING-GLOW-STICK-/330450138431?cmd=ViewItem&pt=UK_SportsLeisure_Camping_LightsLanternsTorches&hash=item4cf05cf53f - one of these | 18:27 |
| odin_ | RST38h, also cat /proc/sys/kernel/core_pattern, if 'crash reporter' is installed ok, it should point to the scripts it installed | 18:27 |
| kerio | the n900 needs an unlimited battery | 18:27 |
| kerio | so we can delete the bme | 18:27 |
| odin_ | DocScrutinizer, how were you getting on with openBME (and MeeGo) ? | 18:28 |
| RST38h | odin: Installing stufff. | 18:29 |
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| odin_ | RST38h, what is the translation from russian ? you got a core file to appear, well an lzo "incident" packaged core file ? | 18:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: WTF?!?! | 18:31 |
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| RST38h | odin: I am installing crash reporter. | 18:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | is tritium an alpha radiating isotope? | 18:31 |
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| SpeedEvil | no | 18:32 |
| SpeedEvil | it emits beta | 18:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | ouch | 18:33 |
| Arkenoi | DocScrutinizer, beta | 18:33 |
| Arkenoi | still safe enough | 18:33 |
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| SpeedEvil | Well - and a neutrino | 18:33 |
| odin_ | tin foil hat time ? | 18:33 |
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| SpeedEvil | There is no other gaseous radioisotope that's likely to get accidentally mixed with tritium. | 18:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | odin_: testicles frying time | 18:34 |
| SpeedEvil | So, as beta is _completely_ shielded by the ~4mm of plastic/glass - it's utterly safe | 18:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | mhm | 18:34 |
| RST38h | Unless you ingest a beta emitter | 18:34 |
| odin_ | _completely_ safe, huh ! | 18:34 |
| SpeedEvil | RST38h: I did the numbers some time ago | 18:35 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I wonder how they even may sell those | 18:35 |
| RST38h | Like...mhm... | 18:35 |
| RST38h | polonium. | 18:35 |
| * Arkenoi has wristwatch illuminated with tiny tritium tubes | 18:35 | |
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| SpeedEvil | RST38h: To hit the safety limits for beta ingestion, you would need to take 30 of these devices, and then crack them while inhaling through a flame. | 18:35 |
| RST38h | Doc: Easily | 18:35 |
| RST38h | Speed: What devices? | 18:35 |
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| Arkenoi | marathon u.s. government, made just before they switched to light accumulating | 18:36 |
| SpeedEvil | http://shop.ebay.co.uk/?_from=R40&_trksid=p3907.m38.l1313&_nkw=tritium%20keychain&=&_sacat=See-All-Categories | 18:36 |
| RST38h | Speed: Oh, but if I get you into my hands, you will not be swallowing those. | 18:36 |
| SpeedEvil | REally handy on the keychain. | 18:36 |
| RST38h | Speed: You will be eating those brushes photographers use to remove dust from their glass instead. | 18:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | uh? | 18:37 |
| * RST38h cackles evilly | 18:37 | |
| * SpeedEvil ponders overclocking, as ffmpeg is taking ages to rebuild. | 18:38 | |
| DocScrutinizer | hmmm, my own little atomic power plant.... | 18:38 |
| * DocScrutinizer ponders | 18:38 | |
| SpeedEvil | The optical output of the above is of the order of 500nW | 18:39 |
| RST38h | Speed: But why not compile on the host? | 18:39 |
| SpeedEvil | It's a testament to the sensitivity of the eye that you can see it at 30m | 18:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | eye can detect some 10 photons | 18:39 |
| SpeedEvil | RST38h: I have very, very little energy for actual thought these days. | 18:39 |
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| SpeedEvil | RST38h: Doing stuff that 'just works' - is lots easier. And installingn scratchbox on slackware seems like quite a lot of pain. | 18:40 |
| RST38h | oh | 18:40 |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: 1nw/m^2 is a nice handy number for an easily visible star (magnitude 4) | 18:41 |
| * DocScrutinizer waves and heads out for a fast graceful death in the heat outside, rather than the somewhat cruel slow one inside | 18:41 | |
| SpeedEvil | wave. | 18:41 |
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| SpeedEvil | All I'm actually wondering about is if ffplay can play some slightly malformed flash files I've rtmpdumped. | 18:42 |
| SpeedEvil | mplayer and the inbuilt player won't | 18:42 |
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| RST38h | Fun: move a file from the internal MMC card to the external MMC card with mv | 18:44 |
| SpeedEvil | all apps stall? | 18:44 |
| RST38h | But of course | 18:45 |
| RST38h | Plus it is probably faster to transfer them to the host over USB and then back | 18:45 |
| SpeedEvil | I wonder if dd could be faster with some of the write flags | 18:46 |
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| RST38h | actually, with less swappiness, it is bearable | 18:47 |
| RST38h | does not hang that much | 18:47 |
| RST38h | just slow | 18:47 |
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| * alterego wonders what the latest build of the handset UX is like .. | 19:05 | |
| Stskeeps | make a image? | 19:06 |
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| Finnish | Should there be sound when using amiga emulator in n900? I get no sound | 19:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer | hmm, t(0.5) of T =12.32y | 19:10 |
| RST38h | alterego: same as the one published just now? | 19:10 |
| Shapeshifter | Mh. really, a build cycle for python apps with maemo is kinda complicated. I develop on my laptop. I prepare a tar that contains a folder structure that py2deb likes. I tar it, transfer it to the n900. I run py2deb. I transfer the dsc, changes and tar.gz to my lap top. I upload it to autobuilder. I wait. I update the n900, and get the new version. | 19:10 |
| Shapeshifter | lots of transferring going on., | 19:10 |
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| jacekowski | Shapeshifter: scratchbox | 19:13 |
| alterego | RST38h: ? | 19:13 |
| alterego | RST38h: "just now?" :) | 19:13 |
| RST38h | alterego: I mean, why do you think they changed anything since the publication date? | 19:14 |
| alterego | I tried it on day 1 of its' release. | 19:14 |
| RST38h | 11 days ago, no? | 19:14 |
| alterego | Yeah, I built my own, wondering if there's been much progress. | 19:14 |
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| * SpeedEvil sighs. | 19:17 | |
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| SpeedEvil | I was wrong - ffplay on that flash content I was referring to doesn't use 25% of CPU | 19:17 |
| crashanddie | Shapeshifter: you could probably have a shell script that tar'd, scp'd to n900, untared on n900, ran the py2deb command on n900, scp the files back, and upload to autobuilder | 19:18 |
| SpeedEvil | It uses 40% at 250MHz | 19:18 |
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| Shapeshifter | crashanddie: mhh, yeah. | 19:19 |
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| Venemo | hey guys | 19:36 |
| Venemo | does anyone know how to properly install a 3rd party library inside MADDE? | 19:36 |
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| alterego | Venemo: I don't know about properly doing it, but if you can get the package and it'sdeps you can alwaystry dpkg -x package.deb /path/to/madde/rootfs | 19:38 |
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| timeless_mbp | http://voices.washingtonpost.com/answer-sheet/literature/why-mockingbird-has-been-chall.html | 19:40 |
| * timeless_mbp sighs | 19:40 | |
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| kerio | what's madde | 19:41 |
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| alterego | kerio: it's a buildenvironment formaemo apps | 19:42 |
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| alterego | It's used in the Nokia Qt SDK | 19:42 |
| Venemo | alterego: there is no dpkg in MADDE afaik | 19:43 |
| alterego | Venemo: doesn't matter, ifyou're using a debian based distrojust use that. | 19:43 |
| Venemo | alterego: I use Windows | 19:43 |
| alterego | Though, permissions will be broken and postinst preinst scripts wont be executed etc. | 19:43 |
| * Venemo runs quickly | 19:44 | |
| alterego | Hrm,oh | 19:44 |
| alterego | :P | 19:44 |
| Jaffa | Af'noon, all | 19:44 |
| alterego | Install GNU/Linux :P | 19:44 |
| alterego | Hey Jaffa :) | 19:44 |
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| Venemo | alterego: I extracted the contents of the .deb and -dev .deb files of the library to the sysroot folder of MADDE | 19:45 |
| alterego | And it doesn't work? | 19:46 |
| Venemo | alterego: no | 19:46 |
| alterego | :/ | 19:46 |
| alterego | Dunnothen | 19:46 |
| alterego | Have you asked in qt-maemo? | 19:46 |
| Venemo | alterego: if I add the exact path to the full .so file to LIBS, it works | 19:47 |
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| Venemo | alterego: otherwise it fails with "undefined reference to ..." | 19:47 |
| alterego | Yeah, I think it's to do with the library cache | 19:47 |
| alterego | Try running: mad ldconfig | 19:47 |
| alterego | :) | 19:47 |
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| Venemo | alterego: okay, will do | 19:48 |
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| Venemo | alterego: ldconfig -- command not found | 19:49 |
| alterego | Was sort of half expecting that :D | 19:50 |
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| alterego | Strange, worksfor me.. | 19:51 |
| alterego | Well, it doesn't work work, but it's there in my rootfs ... | 19:51 |
| Venemo | alterego: ? | 19:51 |
| Venemo | C:\Projects\Sticky Notes\sticky-notes>mad ldconfig | 19:51 |
| Venemo | mad: ldconfig -- command not found | 19:51 |
| alterego | :/ ? | 19:52 |
| alterego | I don't know then :P | 19:52 |
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| Venemo | alterego: how did you do it? | 19:52 |
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| alterego | /home/tswindell/NokiaQtSDK/Maemo/4.6.2/bin/mad ldconfig | 19:54 |
| alterego | /sbin/ldconfig.real: Can't create temporary cache file /etc/ld.so.cache~: Permission denied | 19:54 |
| alterego | That's sort of expected reallly. | 19:54 |
| alterego | Anyhow, I'll bbiam | 19:54 |
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| Venemo | alterego: okay | 19:56 |
| Venemo | alterego: the problem is, that this doesn't work: LIBS += -lhildon-extras-1 | 19:57 |
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| Venemo | alterego: even though that is in the output of mad pkg-config hildon-extras-1 | 19:57 |
| Venemo | alterego: this works: C:/MADDE/0.6.72/sysroots/fremantle-arm-sysroot-10.2010.19-1-slim/usr/lib/libhildon-extras-1.so.0.0.0 | 19:58 |
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| Venemo | alterego: however, I don't think I would get through the autobuilder with that! :D | 19:58 |
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| Venemo | brb | 20:14 |
| pyther | Is gameboy advance emulation suppose to be really slow? | 20:14 |
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| MohammadAG51 | bad port, so I guess it would be slow | 20:15 |
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| pyther | MohammadAG51: what do you mean by that? | 20:15 |
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| MohammadAG51 | the emulator is a bad port | 20:15 |
| pyther | ahh what are some good ports? | 20:16 |
| pyther | or which emulators will perform well on the N900? | 20:16 |
| pupnik | i don't know which will but i know which do | 20:17 |
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| pyther | pupnik: mind sharing? | 20:18 |
| pupnik | MohammadAG51: if you're talking about vgba please clarify why you say it's a 'bad port' | 20:18 |
| pyther | yyfy | 20:18 |
| pyther | woops wrong window :P | 20:18 |
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| lcuk | RST38h, lake district, north england | 20:23 |
| lcuk | plenty of rain | 20:23 |
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| Shapeshifter | Could someone who has a couple of minutes to spare please install Maemo Reactor from extras-devel and tell me if it launches okay from the app menu? I can't figure out why some people seem to have a problem launching it... It's a game for two players btw. | 20:28 |
| Shapeshifter | As always, it is hard to extract any useful info out of tmo users telling me that "it doesn't work". | 20:29 |
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| SpeedEvil | After this operation, 9548kB of additional disk space will be used. | 20:30 |
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| SpeedEvil | ... | 20:31 |
| Shapeshifter | most of it is pngs | 20:31 |
| Shapeshifter | and its optified | 20:31 |
| nidO | Shapeshifter: your best bet to get meaningful feedback if you need it and the app itself is optified and remotely stable is promote it to testing | 20:31 |
| Shapeshifter | nidO: I see | 20:32 |
| nidO | youll generally get proper feedback on whats gone wrong from testers rather than tmo's usual "ITS BROKE FIX IT FUCKER" | 20:32 |
| Shapeshifter | I'm guessing that I made some sort of packaging mistake because the app itself is rockstable and WFM | 20:32 |
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| * lcuk installs maemoreactor | 20:33 | |
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| Shapeshifter | \o/ | 20:34 |
| alterego | Time forsome seriousrefactoring, muahahah | 20:34 |
| SpeedEvil | I click the icon, and nothing happens | 20:34 |
| Shapeshifter | SpeedEvil: :/ so what happens if you run /usr/bin/maemoreactor ? | 20:34 |
| * udntnome Shapeshifter bricked my phone! | 20:34 | |
| nidO | try launching from terminal, see what output you get | 20:34 |
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| nidO | (im installing atm as well) | 20:34 |
| SpeedEvil | not found | 20:35 |
| smhar | I have a a book in word document format. what is the best way to make it available for N900? It will have lots of internal hyperlinks | 20:35 |
| Shapeshifter | D: | 20:35 |
| lcuk | Shapeshifter, you have icon at least! | 20:35 |
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| pupnik | very zen game | 20:35 |
| SpeedEvil | Ok - the file is actually tehre | 20:36 |
| SpeedEvil | 60 bytes | 20:36 |
| Shapeshifter | yes it is | 20:36 |
| udntnome | not found and icon does nothing | 20:36 |
| Shapeshifter | mh | 20:36 |
| Shapeshifter | chmod +x? | 20:36 |
| SpeedEvil | Naughty! | 20:36 |
| SpeedEvil | #!/bin/bash | 20:36 |
| SpeedEvil | silly Shapeshifter | 20:36 |
| nidO | doh | 20:36 |
| Shapeshifter | ahhhh | 20:36 |
| Shapeshifter | xD | 20:36 |
| Shapeshifter | habits... | 20:36 |
| nidO | thats that one solved then :p | 20:37 |
| udntnome | i wasted my time cause of that mistake! | 20:37 |
| pupnik | is the proper way to use #!/bin/sh and rely on a simlink if bash/ksh/zsh is preferred? | 20:37 |
| Shapeshifter | so, /bin/ash ? or something with env? | 20:37 |
| Shapeshifter | ah. | 20:37 |
| Shapeshifter | sh | 20:37 |
| lcuk | nidO, thats why sometimes smoke tests before -testing is good :) | 20:37 |
| SpeedEvil | pupnik: generally, yes | 20:38 |
| nidO | lcuk: I figured he had something more obscure that would need a bit more testing, as he mentioned "some" people having problems launching it, suggesting it was okay for most :p | 20:38 |
| SpeedEvil | Well - it will work for a subset of users. | 20:38 |
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| lcuk | nidO, if it works for him and not for his other tester - thats same result | 20:38 |
| nidO | those that've installed bash | 20:38 |
| lcuk | anyway, Shapeshifter please be updating it :P | 20:38 |
| Shapeshifter | So I assume stuff that goes to -testing needs a proper bugtracker. A forum thread is not valid, is it? | 20:38 |
| nidO | it is | 20:39 |
| Shapeshifter | lcuk: fix will be up within half an hour or so | 20:39 |
| Shapeshifter | nidO: allright | 20:39 |
| SpeedEvil | I prefer a forum link over an email address - which is also legal | 20:39 |
| nidO | email address is fine for small basic apps, for others either a dedicated forum thread or proper bugtracker anywhere is fine | 20:39 |
| SpeedEvil | but I greatly prefer bugtracker if it's there | 20:39 |
| lcuk | Shapeshifter, "python shapeshifter -f" does not come up fullscreen | 20:40 |
| lcuk | doh | 20:40 |
| Shapeshifter | lcuk: mh? | 20:41 |
| lcuk | tis ok either way | 20:41 |
| lcuk | i used -f as parameter | 20:41 |
| lcuk | and just screwed up asking you a min ago ;) | 20:41 |
| Shapeshifter | you're not happy with the f? | 20:41 |
| lcuk | it works now am looking :P | 20:41 |
| Shapeshifter | well I guess I should use getopts but I was lazy | 20:41 |
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| pupnik | nice app Shapeshifter | 20:42 |
| lcuk | yes, novel | 20:42 |
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| Shapeshifter | well the idea wasn't mine. It's inspired by an android app I saw on a friedns HTC. But some of the minigames are entirely my idea. And it has more than the original ;) | 20:43 |
| pupnik | How much have you spent on patent lawyers so far? | 20:44 |
| pyther | Shapeshifter: link to your app? | 20:44 |
| Shapeshifter | it's fun as an occasional challenge at the pub :) | 20:44 |
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| lcuk | yeah | 20:44 |
| Shapeshifter | pyther: it's in extras-devel. tmo discussion http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=58147 | 20:44 |
| SpeedEvil | I assume there is no trivial way to go from a SDL-on-FB - with a link switch or something to a SDL-on-window? | 20:44 |
| Shapeshifter | SpeedEvil: you mean going from fullscreen to windowed? | 20:45 |
| SpeedEvil | no | 20:45 |
| SpeedEvil | I've currently done a stupid proof of concept - built ffplay on the device - with sdl | 20:45 |
| lcuk | simple direct layer on facebook? | 20:45 |
| SpeedEvil | This 'works' | 20:45 |
| lcuk | or whatever sdl means ;) | 20:46 |
| SpeedEvil | In terms of it plays video smoothly, and fast, with low (comparatively) CPU usage. | 20:46 |
| SpeedEvil | But - it breaks the touchscreen, and tries to draw directly on the framebuffer - which has obvious issues | 20:46 |
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| alterego | Heh | 20:52 |
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| Shapeshifter | ... fapman | 20:56 |
| Shapeshifter | love that name for a package manager... | 20:56 |
| alterego | Heh | 20:57 |
| alterego | One of frals? :) | 20:57 |
| Shapeshifter | Processing package fapman 0.1-3. Uploader: hqh | 20:57 |
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| MohammadAG51 | alterego, sudo make me a sammich | 20:59 |
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| sisto | hello | 21:00 |
| alterego | MohammadAG51: sorry, I can't:delegate wife, because she's doing the washing ... | 21:01 |
| sisto | lol | 21:01 |
| sisto | i have a question | 21:01 |
| MohammadAG51 | alterego, screw you | 21:01 |
| MohammadAG51 | infobot, $100 | 21:01 |
| * infobot gives mohammadag51 full service! | 21:02 | |
| kerio | alterego: nah, it's Fast APplication MANager | 21:02 |
| sisto | maybe someone can help me out :) | 21:02 |
| kerio | infobot: $5 | 21:02 |
| MohammadAG51 | kerio, no, it's fap manager | 21:02 |
| kerio | sisto: don't ask if you can ask questions | 21:02 |
| kerio | just ask the question | 21:02 |
| kerio | MohammadAG51: heh | 21:02 |
| sisto | kerio: lol | 21:02 |
| sisto | I have an n810 and i'm worried the repos might get shut down | 21:02 |
| Shapeshifter | yep. people need a manager to fap these days. | 21:03 |
| luke-jr | sisto: probably | 21:03 |
| kerio | sisto: why would they be? | 21:03 |
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| sisto | is there a backup script to get the packages? | 21:03 |
| MohammadAG51 | Shapeshifter, yeah, bad memory | 21:03 |
| MohammadAG51 | see apt-mirror | 21:03 |
| sisto | like download the whole repos | 21:03 |
| alterego | fap-t-get | 21:03 |
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| kerio | alterego: lol | 21:03 |
| crashanddie | sisto: that would kind of render the usefulness of repos null, would it not? | 21:03 |
| Shapeshifter | allright. I updated the maemoreactor package. should work for everyone now. | 21:04 |
| MohammadAG51 | This FAPT has super D*** powers | 21:04 |
| sisto | crashanddie: exactly | 21:04 |
| nidO | time for a promote to testing then Shapeshifter? :p | 21:04 |
| crashanddie | sisto: there are no plans to shut down the n810, they are hosted on the same servers as the ones that offer the n900 services, so I doubt they'll die any time soon | 21:04 |
| Shapeshifter | nidO: will do. | 21:04 |
| sisto | I'm just worried the n810 repos might get shut down because n810 was discontinued | 21:04 |
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| nidO | it probably wont happen anytime particularly soon sisto | 21:05 |
| sisto | I guess | 21:05 |
| sisto | but better safe than sorry | 21:05 |
| crashanddie | sisto: and even if it were to happen, you can be sure that a community alternative would be set up | 21:05 |
| crashanddie | sisto: also, please don't download the full repos just for shits and giggles. Bandwidth is expensive. | 21:06 |
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| sisto | i guess too but someone has to keep all the repos if we want the community to make an alternative | 21:06 |
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| MohammadAG51 | freeeee.org | 21:06 |
| sisto | anyway... MohammadAG51 thx | 21:06 |
| sisto | will try that | 21:07 |
| MohammadAG51 | hmm, nvm, that's for M5 | 21:07 |
| crashanddie | if you'd like to setup a mirror, I'm sure you can contact some people if you'd like to offer some help | 21:07 |
| sisto | the apt-mirror suggestion | 21:07 |
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| crashanddie | X-Fade: around? | 21:07 |
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| crashanddie | did sisto leave? | 21:09 |
| Macer | ugh | 21:09 |
| Macer | i hate it when windows can't just automatically find drivers for a nic | 21:09 |
| Macer | i stuck a realtek 8169 chipset nic in it and that is something that should just work | 21:10 |
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| RZ | hi | 21:12 |
| crashanddie | hi RZ | 21:13 |
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| RZ | Ok so it works :) | 21:13 |
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| crashanddie | no, it doesn't | 21:13 |
| RZ | Thank you for your help. | 21:13 |
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| kerio | BZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZBZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZBZBZBZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ | 21:30 |
| kerio | (wc2010 final start) | 21:30 |
| * crashanddie wonders if he could install a turbocharger | 21:31 | |
| kerio | powered by the vuvuzelas? | 21:31 |
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| Venemo | alterego: ping | 21:32 |
| Macer | hah | 21:32 |
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| Macer | usb2 drive is only giving me 15MB/s | 21:32 |
| Macer | wtf :) | 21:32 |
| Macer | 480mbit my ass | 21:33 |
| SpeedEvil | I get 30M | 21:33 |
| kerio | i only get 4MB/s with 100baseT | 21:34 |
| kerio | :( | 21:34 |
| kerio | well | 21:34 |
| kerio | wifi n plus ethernet 100mbps | 21:34 |
| MohammadAG51 | i get 34MBs with my N900 | 21:35 |
| SpeedEvil | MohammadAG51: yeah - reading from all devices at once | 21:35 |
| Macer | haha | 21:39 |
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| Macer | well. i suppose 1hr for 40GB must do | 21:41 |
| Venemo | Macer: did you try the IRC plugin after all? | 21:41 |
| Macer | i have to back vdisks up to an encrypted drive | 21:42 |
| kerio | Macer: and how would it work with ##world-cup? | 21:42 |
| Macer | yes | 21:42 |
| Macer | there is no way to join a # that i can see | 21:42 |
| alterego | Venemo: pong | 21:42 |
| Venemo | Macer: yeah, I couldn't find a way either | 21:42 |
| Macer | heh | 21:43 |
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| Macer | im uninstalling it | 21:43 |
| Venemo | alterego: so, how did you solve the issue about MADDE + libraries? | 21:43 |
| Macer | it is worthless :) | 21:43 |
| Venemo | Macer: yeah... sorry. I really didn't know | 21:43 |
| Macer | kind of sucks | 21:43 |
| Macer | i would rather use telepathy than xchat | 21:44 |
| alterego | Venemo: I didn't :P | 21:44 |
| Macer | i guess i can always use irssi | 21:44 |
| Macer | :) | 21:44 |
| Venemo | Macer: is it good? | 21:44 |
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| Macer | irssi? | 21:44 |
| Macer | sure | 21:44 |
| Venemo | Macer: yeah | 21:44 |
| Macer | usually i ssh to my shell box and use irssi | 21:44 |
| Venemo | alterego: and... can you recommend something? | 21:44 |
| Macer | it is really great once you set everything up just right | 21:45 |
| kerio | Macer: it's probably for bitlbee | 21:45 |
| Venemo | alterego: it seems that MADDE doesn't know which .so file does "-lhildon-extras-1" mean | 21:45 |
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| Venemo | alterego: is it possible to set it up somehow? | 21:45 |
| Venemo | alterego: I'm a total lame when it comes to Linux and its stuff, I have to admit. | 21:46 |
| Macer | there | 21:47 |
| Macer | hopefully the telepathy plugin stops sucking some day soon | 21:47 |
| Macer | :) | 21:47 |
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| Venemo | Macer: yeah, hopefully. | 21:49 |
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| DrGrov | Good evening guys and gals! | 21:51 |
| DrGrov | What is the news for today? | 21:52 |
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| RST38h | DrGrov: The end of the world is coming. | 21:52 |
| Corsac | in 2012? | 21:53 |
| RST38h | NOW. | 21:54 |
| Macer | sooner if the bp methane bubble explodes | 21:54 |
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| RST38h | Ah, the have goot a methane bubble too now? | 21:54 |
| RST38h | Sweet | 21:54 |
| Macer | yeah | 21:54 |
| Macer | wish i remember the site | 21:54 |
| DrGrov | I got methane enough | 21:54 |
| Macer | it was a riot | 21:54 |
| DrGrov | Do not get in wrong situation with me or feel the wrath of the methane | 21:55 |
| Macer | some environmental site saying the bp spill could end all life on earth | 21:55 |
| Macer | it was great | 21:55 |
| RST38h | http://www.newton.dep.anl.gov/askasci/chem00/chem00831.htmhttp://www.newton.dep.anl.gov/askasci/chem00/chem00831.htm | 21:59 |
| RST38h | (nothing new, really, but fun) | 21:59 |
| crashanddie | the end-of-the-world talk is starting to get very old | 21:59 |
| RST38h | don't worry, fresh reasons are coming up daily. | 22:00 |
| DrGrov | i wonder when a mobile phone will be responsible for the end of the world? rofl | 22:00 |
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| kerio | RST38h: i don't get it | 22:03 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer51: that BSI seems to be bit more than just battery type | 22:04 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer51: bme is reading it too often | 22:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: just another nonsense/bug/younameit of bme | 22:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | except of course that bme is shutting down device in <1s on bat removal | 22:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer | and bme has no other way to detect bat removal, that reading BSI | 22:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | than* | 22:06 |
| jacekowski | well, i stopped bme | 22:06 |
| kerio | how about we just let the device power down naturally? | 22:07 |
| jacekowski | and phone still died | 22:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: eh? | 22:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: you seen my hotswap tmo? | 22:07 |
| jacekowski | connect charger -> stop bme -> disconnect -> dead phone | 22:08 |
| jacekowski | no | 22:08 |
| ShadowJK | You need careful planning to keep charger chip properly configured after shutting down bme andr removing batt | 22:08 |
| jacekowski | i suppose bme stops charging when it's stopped | 22:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: yeah. make sure it's charging | 22:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | nope it doesn't | 22:08 |
| ShadowJK | Well, if battery is full it might actually be in the charger-off state | 22:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes | 22:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | see tmo hotswap - it's all in there | 22:09 |
| jacekowski | so now when it's charging i can just do stop bme | 22:09 |
| jacekowski | and it will keep working? | 22:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes | 22:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | for at least 32min | 22:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | for longer if you tickle bq24150 32min timer | 22:10 |
| ShadowJK | it'll keep charging at 950mA for 0-32s, then 500mA or 100mA for 32 minutes afaiu | 22:10 |
| jacekowski | hmm, | 22:10 |
| jacekowski | sort of | 22:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: exactly | 22:10 |
| jacekowski | it took it more than 1s to die | 22:10 |
| jacekowski | but it still died | 22:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | anyway, back to tv | 22:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=57734&page=2 | 22:11 |
| ShadowJK | Also, if power draw drops below 50mA, charger shuts down. 3g/gsm/wifi likely draw more than 500/950 peak | 22:11 |
| jacekowski | nah, it looked more like i went over the limit | 22:12 |
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| ShadowJK | So DocScrutinizer's guide is designed to ensure draw doesn't drop below 50 and doesn't exceed max | 22:12 |
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| ShadowJK | did screen fade to white then dim? :) | 22:12 |
| jacekowski | sort of | 22:13 |
| jacekowski | backlight faded away | 22:13 |
| jacekowski | slightly | 22:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: well, that's what I wrote there, yes | 22:13 |
| jacekowski | and then it just looked like it lost power | 22:13 |
| kerio | <RolePlayGame> is there a tutorial "how to change your car's wheels without stopping"? | 22:14 |
| jacekowski | does anybody have idea what is the difference between charger | 22:15 |
| jacekowski | and usb cable connected to pc | 22:15 |
| jacekowski | and headphones | 22:15 |
| jacekowski | in terms of fmtx | 22:15 |
| jacekowski | because connecting charger just reduces the power | 22:15 |
| jacekowski | but connecting headphones or computer switches it off | 22:15 |
| kerio | that makes no sense btw | 22:15 |
| jacekowski | which part? | 22:16 |
| SpeedEvil | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6792 #26 | 22:16 |
| povbot | Bug 6792: FM radio transmitter does not play while USB cord is connected | 22:16 |
| kerio | the part where the fmtx reduces power when something is plugged in | 22:16 |
| jacekowski | http://jacekowski.org/Maemo/FMTX | 22:17 |
| crashanddie | 404 | 22:17 |
| jacekowski | http://jacekowski.org/Maemo/FMTXD | 22:18 |
| kerio | do the headphones help with the transmission, btw? | 22:18 |
| SpeedEvil | yes | 22:18 |
| SpeedEvil | every lead helps with transmission | 22:18 |
| SpeedEvil | And the transmission is intentionally shit. | 22:19 |
| kerio | :( | 22:19 |
| SpeedEvil | http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_FM_Radio_Transmitter | 22:19 |
| kerio | stupid nokia | 22:19 |
| SpeedEvil | See the inherent limitations section | 22:19 |
| SpeedEvil | not actually nokias fault | 22:19 |
| jacekowski | well, i've modded fmtxd to squeeze as much oompf of fmtx as possible | 22:19 |
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| jacekowski | s/of/from/ | 22:19 |
| infobot | jacekowski meant: well, i've modded fmtxd to squeeze as much oompf from fmtx as possible | 22:19 |
| kerio | jacekowski: so does your modified fmtxd make the fmtx work as much as it can? | 22:21 |
| kerio | and should i plug headphones and usb cables to boost the transmission? | 22:21 |
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| jacekowski | i've never tried that | 22:22 |
| SpeedEvil | Plug in the USB cable, not plugged into anything else, and the transmission vastly improves | 22:22 |
| jacekowski | it just ignores usb cable and headphones | 22:22 |
| kerio | jacekowski: can you modify it so that it ignores the power settings and it always transmits on 118? | 22:22 |
| jacekowski | that's what i've done | 22:22 |
| jacekowski | well, i've changed it to 120 | 22:22 |
| kerio | even better! | 22:23 |
| kerio | :D | 22:23 |
| kerio | we should overclock the transmitter | 22:23 |
| SpeedEvil | the driver enforces 120 | 22:23 |
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| jacekowski | well, we could talk directly over i2c | 22:23 |
| kerio | we should overclock the driver | 22:23 |
| SpeedEvil | the chip may or may not do interesting things if you wrote 128 to the register | 22:23 |
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| SpeedEvil | the specced limit is 120 in the datasheet IIRC | 22:23 |
| kerio | maybe it'll explode | 22:23 |
| kerio | delicious magic smoke :3 | 22:24 |
| SpeedEvil | The limits are actually sane | 22:24 |
| SpeedEvil | The power limit that is | 22:24 |
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| SpeedEvil | Consider a radio listening to a marginal station. a 50nW transmitter on the same frequency will actually interfere with that from up to a kilometer away | 22:24 |
| kerio | SpeedEvil: yeah, that's what i want to do | 22:25 |
| kerio | :D | 22:25 |
| SpeedEvil | It's not audible of course, but it causes the noise level to rise for that radio | 22:25 |
| jacekowski | and there is one more thing | 22:26 |
| jacekowski | fmtxd itself enforces headphones and usb detection | 22:26 |
| jacekowski | but then GUI checks for headphones again | 22:26 |
| kerio | department of redundancy department is redundant | 22:27 |
| jacekowski | well, it doesn't check for USB cable | 22:29 |
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| alterego | I have to say, I'm quite glad Nokia has forced me to learn Qt, I think I prefer it to gtk ... | 22:45 |
| Venemo | alterego: HAAH! I actually found the solution! | 22:46 |
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| ptl | why do you prefer it? | 22:48 |
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| Macer | because it doesnt look like it is from 1980 | 22:50 |
| jacekowski | well, gtk-engines-qt | 22:50 |
| derf | Were you even alive in 1980? | 22:51 |
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| alterego | Venemo: prey tell :) | 22:55 |
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| ds3 | 8 | 22:55 |
| nidO | Shapeshifter: about? | 22:55 |
| kerio | gtk looks nice | 22:55 |
| unixSnob | is there a way to SMS vcards from the nit? | 22:57 |
| Macer | gtk looks horrible | 23:05 |
| Macer | might as well use motif | 23:05 |
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| RST38h | gtk is themeable | 23:06 |
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| RST38h | motif was not | 23:06 |
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| FireFly|n900 | Hi, are global shortcuts like ctrl+shift+p modifiable? (e.g. is there any config file for them?) | 23:07 |
| kerio | ctrl-shift-p? | 23:07 |
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| kerio | what does that do? | 23:07 |
| kerio | :o | 23:07 |
| FireFly|n900 | hmm, perhaps it was s | 23:07 |
| FireFly|n900 | to screenshot | 23:07 |
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| FIQ | no | 23:09 |
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| FIQ | it's ctrl+shift+p | 23:09 |
| FIQ | as you said | 23:09 |
| FIQ | :p | 23:09 |
| FireFly|n900 | Ah, all right then | 23:10 |
| alterego | FireFly|n900: no, not customisable, as they're hard coded into the source of hildon desktop | 23:10 |
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| FireFly|n900 | Oh, okay | 23:10 |
| jacekowski | alterego: ??? | 23:10 |
| FireFly|n900 | Thanks for the info, though | 23:10 |
| jacekowski | alterego: it can be changed | 23:11 |
| alterego | jacekowski: yes? | 23:11 |
| jacekowski | well, i can | 23:11 |
| alterego | Really? | 23:11 |
| jacekowski | yes | 23:11 |
| alterego | Where? | 23:11 |
| Venemo | alterego: the solution was to copy-paste the .so.0.0.0 file into the .so and the .so.0 file | 23:11 |
| jacekowski | Venemo: symlink | 23:11 |
| Venemo | alterego: because MADDE looks for -lyourlib as "yourlib.so" | 23:11 |
| alterego | Right | 23:11 |
| alterego | jacekowski: so, howdid you customise it. | 23:12 |
| Venemo | jacekowski: yeah, but I rather don't symlink on Windows | 23:12 |
| jacekowski | with hex editor | 23:12 |
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| alterego | I don't believe you :P | 23:18 |
| FIQ | you know you can modify pretty much in theory with a hexeditor | 23:18 |
| FireFly|n900 | jacekowski, if so, could you please enlighten me what file to edit | 23:19 |
| unixSnob | Venemo: why not symlink in windows? | 23:20 |
| jacekowski | /usr/bin/hildon-desktop | 23:20 |
| jacekowski | /usr/bin/hildon-desktop.launch | 23:20 |
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| alterego | FIQ: I know in theory, I don't think he's done it though. | 23:21 |
| Venemo | unixSnob: it is possible, but unconvenient. and there is no GUI for it. :P | 23:22 |
| jacekowski | emm, | 23:22 |
| FIQ | .. | 23:22 |
| jacekowski | i'm using hex editor with a gui | 23:22 |
| FIQ | you can? | 23:22 |
| alterego | And it's not maintainable. | 23:22 |
| unixSnob | Venemo: i seem to recall using a gui for it | 23:22 |
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| alterego | As soon as a new version is released you'll need to get the offset again. | 23:22 |
| unixSnob | i think power tools or something has a gui for ntfs simlinks | 23:23 |
| jacekowski | not too complicated | 23:23 |
| alterego | jacekowski: speaking of which, what is the offset for the input mask for thescreenshot then? | 23:23 |
| jacekowski | it's plain text | 23:23 |
| alterego | ... | 23:23 |
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| unixSnob | I've used ntfs symlinks in the past to relocate C:\documents and settings to a more reasonable place | 23:24 |
| FireFly|n900 | hmm.. modified-hildon-desktop sounds a bit promising | 23:24 |
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| Aranel | Anyone know a good torrent client for Maemo 5? Transmission is using a lot of resource and gets the device hot. | 23:25 |
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| Macer | torrents by nature are rough on a system | 23:25 |
| Venemo | unixSnob: tbh, I didn't care too much. I'm just happy to make it work. | 23:25 |
| jacekowski | alterego: 6396c | 23:26 |
| jacekowski | alterego: on file with md5 3F8B37004BE5201BFA6EDB22E9A80CC6 | 23:26 |
| jacekowski | alterego: and size 453612 | 23:26 |
| kerio | unixSnob: use mount points! | 23:26 |
| kerio | way cooler | 23:27 |
| Crooster | how do i increase the font size i xXchat? | 23:27 |
| alterego | hmmmmm, | 23:27 |
| kerio | Crooster: settings menu | 23:27 |
| kerio | tap the menu bar | 23:27 |
| unixSnob | kerio: what are you saying? the precise term in windows is "ntfs junctions" | 23:27 |
| jacekowski | alterego: it's plain text and easy to edit | 23:27 |
| Aranel | Macer: so you think that It's not the optimization of Transmission, torrent is the real problem itself? | 23:27 |
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| Crooster | cant find it :) | 23:28 |
| Macer | well. transmission does have the added overhead of the webserving | 23:28 |
| jacekowski | torrents on a phone | 23:28 |
| jacekowski | that's little bit of overkill | 23:28 |
| Macer | but torrents are a pain on a system regardless | 23:28 |
| jacekowski | yeah | 23:28 |
| Macer | especially a 600MHz arm | 23:28 |
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| kerio | unixSnob: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volume_Mount_Point | 23:28 |
| Macer | with 256MB of actual ram ;) | 23:28 |
| alterego | I kill my N900 using it asa modem downloading torrents on my laptop | 23:28 |
| kerio | i think transmission is as light as you can get, in unix | 23:28 |
| jacekowski | 500Mbit of torrent trafic can use whole core on 2.83GHz xeon | 23:29 |
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| jacekowski | and 5-6G of ram | 23:29 |
| Aranel | I'm downloading @ 1 MBit peak. | 23:30 |
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| alterego | I get 2/2.5Mb | 23:30 |
| kerio | unixSnob: mindblowing huh? | 23:30 |
| Macer | kerio: not really | 23:30 |
| Aranel | kerio: maybe CLI alternatives? | 23:30 |
| jacekowski | rtorrent | 23:30 |
| Macer | rtorrent is lighter | 23:30 |
| jacekowski | but rtorrent is really heavy on ram | 23:30 |
| Macer | either way libtorrent will murder a phone | 23:30 |
| kerio | microsoft is actually catching up on 20-years-old unix technology | 23:30 |
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| Macer | jacekowski: that's from the hash checking | 23:30 |
| Macer | i don't really think that's a matter of rtorrent | 23:30 |
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| Macer | more a problem with libtorrent overall | 23:31 |
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| jacekowski | well, it's not for hash checking | 23:31 |
| jacekowski | it keeps chunks in memory | 23:31 |
| jacekowski | untill chunk is complete | 23:31 |
| jacekowski | and then it writes it to disk | 23:31 |
| Macer | heh | 23:31 |
| jacekowski | so if you have like 10 connections ( 10 chunks being transfered ) each from 2 to 50M | 23:32 |
| Macer | i'm sure there is a way to edit the rtorrent.rc to correct that ;) | 23:32 |
| jacekowski | no | 23:32 |
| jacekowski | it's how it was designed | 23:32 |
| Macer | ouch | 23:32 |
| Macer | heh | 23:32 |
| Macer | ah well | 23:32 |
| kerio | just use a seedbox | 23:32 |
| Macer | what about ctorrent? | 23:32 |
| jacekowski | well, that makes it really efficient in terms of disk I/O | 23:32 |
| Aranel | It'll kill the N900 much more easily. | 23:32 |
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| jacekowski | it's just a tradeof between disk/cpu/ram | 23:32 |
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| Macer | disk io shouldn't be an issue unless you have a retardedly fast internet connection | 23:33 |
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| Macer | if you are getting stalled out by your disks then whoa :) | 23:33 |
| jacekowski | Macer: it is an issue | 23:33 |
| jacekowski | Macer: it's completly random I/O | 23:33 |
| Macer | heh | 23:33 |
| Macer | yeah but at an extrememly slow rate | 23:33 |
| jacekowski | Macer: and fast 15k SAS drive can do maybe 10M/s at that iops | 23:33 |
| Macer | i've never really tested my fileserver as far as writing the torrents to the drive | 23:34 |
| jacekowski | ( that drive can deliver more than 120M/s at sequential writes ) | 23:34 |
| jacekowski | that's how random I/O is killing performance | 23:34 |
| Macer | i know that maxed out on my internet connection my 1GHz C7 w/ 1G and a 5400rpm sata 2.5" drive can keep up :) | 23:35 |
| Macer | easily | 23:35 |
| Macer | and i have 22/6 | 23:35 |
| jacekowski | with a lot of sequential writes | 23:35 |
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| Macer | that's why i named it beast... artigo ftw | 23:35 |
| jacekowski | try running a seedbox | 23:35 |
| jacekowski | with 500 torrents | 23:35 |
| kerio | hehe | 23:35 |
| Kegetys | how many peers where you downloading from? | 23:35 |
| Macer | jacekowski: hahaha | 23:35 |
| Crooster | trying to install amsn, installation says i need libgssdp 1.0 and libgupnp 1.0. where can i find these files? | 23:36 |
| kerio | why do you need amsn? | 23:36 |
| jacekowski | 4x 15k SAS barely can keep up | 23:36 |
| Macer | Kegetys: probably like 50 right now | 23:36 |
| Macer | jacekowski: i will try it some day | 23:36 |
| Macer | ;) | 23:36 |
| Macer | but i wouldn't know what to seed | 23:36 |
| Crooster | or any other msn cliengt forf n900 | 23:36 |
| Macer | maybe i'll seed ubuntu CDs haha | 23:36 |
| kerio | Crooster: huh... Conversation | 23:36 |
| kerio | install the MSN (pecan) plugin | 23:36 |
| Macer | Crooster: there is an MSN plugin | 23:37 |
| kerio | Macer: romsets! | 23:37 |
| Macer | kerio: hah! | 23:37 |
| kerio | get the full TOSEC | 23:37 |
| jacekowski | Macer: linux ISOs | 23:37 |
| Crooster | which works better than the amsn one? | 23:37 |
| Macer | jacekowski: yeah. that's what i said. | 23:37 |
| Macer | i'll get some linux torrents | 23:37 |
| Macer | screw it... let me do it now and see what happens :) | 23:37 |
| Macer | ubuntu.org redirects to world reform of civil society networks hahahaha | 23:38 |
| kerio | Macer: www.pleasuredome.org.uk | 23:39 |
| kerio | start seeding the MAME romset | 23:39 |
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| Macer | haha | 23:40 |
| Macer | i'm seeding debian cds | 23:40 |
| iPeter- | Hey, just were wondering, where is bootscreen manager from repos? | 23:41 |
| iPeter- | maemo5 | 23:41 |
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| kerio | i want to quad-boot fremantle, meego, mer and froyo | 23:45 |
| kerio | am i crazy? | 23:45 |
| tybollt | kerio: is there a suitable meego out yet? | 23:47 |
| slonopotamus | kerio: you're just undesided. | 23:47 |
| slonopotamus | *c | 23:48 |
| kerio | tybollt: well, do you consider making phone calls as necessary? | 23:48 |
| tybollt | :D | 23:48 |
| Venemo | nah, good night guys&girls | 23:48 |
| tybollt | kerio: it doesn't yet? | 23:48 |
| kerio | i think the cellmo isn't working | 23:48 |
| kerio | not sure though | 23:48 |
| kerio | ask the #meego guys | 23:48 |
| tybollt | kerio: What I mean to say - has there been a meego release since the first once that was just an xterm? | 23:48 |
| kerio | again, ask the meego guys | 23:49 |
| kerio | :) | 23:49 |
| Macer | well.. not seeding them now | 23:49 |
| Macer | now i'm leeching them | 23:49 |
| Macer | let me see how rtorrent does on my beast of a 1GHz C7 | 23:49 |
| Macer | BEAST! | 23:49 |
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| kerio | Macer: heh, i consider my dual-core mbp as slow | 23:50 |
| kerio | oh god, i *am* crazy | 23:50 |
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| luke-jr | w00t | 23:55 |
| luke-jr | VNC over SSH over DNS : WIN | 23:55 |
| kerio | haha | 23:56 |
| kerio | how many SPF are you getting? | 23:56 |
| Macer | mary jane is such a tramp | 23:56 |
| Macer | hehehe | 23:56 |
| luke-jr | SPF? | 23:56 |
| kerio | seconds per frame | 23:57 |
| * Macer goes to play wii with his son | 23:57 | |
| Macer | i need to get a custom case for the wii too | 23:57 |
| luke-jr | kerio: it actually worked quite well, but I was testing locally | 23:57 |
| Macer | going for the whole red theme | 23:57 |
| luke-jr | so in theory it only went me->router->me | 23:57 |
| kerio | oh | 23:57 |
| kerio | pfff | 23:57 |
| luke-jr | I did do telnet via 2G earlier tho | 23:57 |
| luke-jr | quite slow :/ | 23:57 |
| luke-jr | but SSH might help a little, since it adds compression | 23:57 |
| luke-jr | I also just added dynamic per-packet MTU detection on the server end | 23:58 |
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| kerio | who cares, it's free | 23:58 |
| luke-jr | what is? | 23:58 |
| kerio | tmob's dns abuse | 23:58 |
| luke-jr | lol | 23:58 |
| luke-jr | I wouldn't be doing it if I wasn't planning to get data in a few days ;) | 23:59 |
| kerio | idea: get multiple modems | 23:59 |
| luke-jr | just wanted to have the fun while I could | 23:59 |
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